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THIS SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL

[CALL TO ORDER]

COMMISSION TO ORDER IT IS NOVEMBER 20TH AT 1:05 PM.

UH, LET'S START WITH A ROLL CALL.

UM, ANDREW CREEL.

OKAY.

UH, ABSENT MARIANNE NEELY.

NOT HERE EITHER.

OKAY.

UH, LINDA GUERRERO, NOT QUITE HERE YET.

CURTIS SMITH IS YOUR, UH, IS YOUR SOUND WORKING CURTIS? JUST TO MAKE SURE.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, IT'S NOT JUST SO YOU KNOW.

UH, SO IF YOU WANT TO FIX THAT FOR YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO TALK.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

UH, COOL.

KATIE COIN HERE, WENDY GORDON.

OKAY.

HERE.

THANKS.

UH, PAM THOMPSON HERE TAKING, MACIO NOT HERE TODAY.

PERRY BEDFORD HERE, RYAN NIL HERE.

AND KEVIN RAMBERT, ACTUALLY.

I DON'T KNOW IT FOLKS.

I SEE HIM, BUT I SEE ALSO A LITTLE WARNING SYMBOL.

OH, SORRY.

WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOR KEVIN RAMBERT? YEAH, THAT HE MUST BE, I HAVE A BANDWIDTH ISSUE ON HIS END OR SOMETHING.

OKAY.

I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN COUNT HIM KNOWING THAT HE IS HERE, BUT UH, CAN'T SPEAK RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

IT'S OKAY.

VICE-CHAIR YOU STILL HAVE A QUORUM.

YOU MAY PROCEED.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND ACTION (Part 1 of 2)]

APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND ACTION.

AS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 21ST, 2020.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? YOU HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BEDFORD.

WE HAVE A SECOND, A SECOND AT CURTIS.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

RIGHT.

UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

NACION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE SAID ANY OPPOSED.

I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN KATIE.

I JUST GOT MY WIFI BACK.

SO I'M JUST COMING BACK ON RADAR HERE FOR, SINCE I WASN'T PRESENT AT THE LAST MEETING.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE TWO ABSTENTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER NIL AND FISHER RAMBERT.

GREAT.

I'M SORRY, KAYLA AND CHRIS, DID WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMUNICATION? VISALIA? WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, BUT JUST ONE NOTE YOU CAN VOTE, EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T AT THE LAST MEETING.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GOT ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS THAT MOTION WITH THE TWO ABSTENTIONS.

OKAY.

SO THAT MOTION DOES NOT PASS.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO DO WE REEVALUATE? DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION THAT CAN GO UP? YOU CAN CALL A RE VOTE ON THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT.

MAYBE WE'LL WAIT TILL LINDA'S HERE AND WE'LL REBOOT ON MINUTES, UH, IN CASE Y'ALL UH, YEAH.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL JUST DO THAT THEN.

UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FIRST

[2. ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION]

ITEM TO A, UH, ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

UH, SO THIS ITEM IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE CREATION, CONTINUATION OR TERMINATION AND STATUS OF LADY BIRD LAKE CONCESSIONS CONTAINED IN THE 2020 ANNUAL REPORT OF CITY OF AUSTIN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT MANAGEMENT CONCESSIONS ON TOWN LAKE.

VICE-CHAIR 15 MINUTES.

UM, I MAY HAVE HEARD WE DO HAVE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, SO WE WOULD TYPICALLY TAKE THAT UP, UH, CITIZEN FIRST.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

WE'LL GO TO CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, MR. FIBER, IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, YOU MAY UNMUTE AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

SURE.

I'M UH, DAVID PIPER, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE ZILKER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO TALK A MINUTE ABOUT, UH, USING THE WATERFRONT OVERLAY TO DODGE, THE 10 ACRE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR A FID.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO RE-LITIGATE THE SCHLOTZSKY'S PUD AND I WISH I HAD DONE A BETTER JOB OF BRINGING THIS OUT WHEN I TALKED TO YOU ALL DURING THAT TIME, BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND THESE PUDS, SMALL PODS ONLY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO

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BY REQUIREMENTS HAS TO BE 10 ACRES.

AND IN ORDER TO GET UNDER THAT, UM, YOU NEED A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE SUCH AS TOPOGRAPHIC CONSTRAINT.

THAT'S THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO THE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE FOR THE SOUTHEAST PINE WATER I'M AFRAID IS GOING FORWARD IS REALLY WHERE I WANT TO THINK ABOUT IS, UH, THE, UH, SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE WAS ACTUALLY THE WATERFRONT OVERLAY ITSELF.

SO IT'S A CIRCULAR LOGIC USING THE WATERFRONT OVERLAY AS A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE TO AVOID THE PROTECTIONS OF THE WATERFRONT OVERLAY.

SO I ASSUME THERE WOULD BE MORE SMALL PUDS, LESS THAN 10 ACRES.

THESE ARE USUALLY AROUND ONE ACRE, UH, COMING DOWN THE PIE IN BUTLER CHORES AND PROBABLY ELSEWHERE IN THE WATERFRONT OVERLAY.

SO I JUST WANTED YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, UH, BEFORE THE NEXT ONE COMES UP, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GET MAKING THESE SMALL PUDS, THE CITY AND WHICH INCLUDES THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION IS, YOU KNOW, SEEDING YOUR AUTHORITY AND ABILITY TO DO ANY KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.

WE'VE GOT JUST THE ANNOUNCED.

THERE'S A, A NEW POD COMING UP FOR BRODY OAK SHOPPING CENTERS, 31 ACRES.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF IT.

I HADN'T SEEN IT AT ALL, SO I'M NOT READY TO SPEAK ON THE MERITS OF IT, BUT AT LEAST IT'S A LEGITIMATE PUD, 31 ACRES.

THAT'S WHAT PODS WERE MADE FOR SAME WITH THE AUSTIN STATESMAN PROPERTY.

SO I URGE YOU TO PUT A STOP TO THESE LITTLE MINI PODS THAT JUST COME IN, YOU KNOW, ONE AT A TIME WITHOUT ANY KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR TRAFFIC FOR ALL THE STUFF THAT GOES INTO LAND USE AND, UH, NOT TO USE THE WATERFRONT OVERLAY AS THE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE TO DODGE, THE 10 ACRE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

SO I'M, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE MORE OF THESE.

AND PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CHRIS.

WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS TODAY.

NO VICE CHAIR.

THAT IS ALL.

YOU MAY PROCEED WITH TWO A AS YOU WORKED BEFORE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU.

OH, NO.

SORRY.

YEAH, IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT AT ALL.

ALRIGHT, SO PROCEEDING WITH, TO A, UH, RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE CREATION CONTINUATION OR TERMINATION AND STATUS OF SESSIONS, 15 MINUTES, AND WE HAVE MARGARET STEBBINS, UH, ONLINE.

ONE THING, KATIE, DO YOU HAVE ME ON THIS LIST? UH, MARIANNE YOU'RE HERE.

SO WE WILL MARK YOU DOWN AS BEING HERE.

YEP.

OKAY.

YEAH.

I WASN'T ABLE TO GET IT, BUT HERE I AM.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR AWHILE.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANKS.

THANKS COMMISSIONER NEELY.

UH, WE HAVE MARGARET SKINS.

YEAH.

HI, I'M HERE.

UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

I WAS TOLD I HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT, UM, YOU JUST WOULD RATHER JUST ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

WE SUBMITTED IT AS BACKUP.

UM, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.

I CAN GIVE THE PRESENTATION OR YOU GUYS CAN JUST ASK US QUESTIONS.

MADAM VICE CHAIR.

THIS IS KAYLA CHAMPION WATERSHED PROTECTION.

AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE CHAIR, THE CHAIR REQUESTED THAT THE PRESENTATION BE SUBMITTED BACK UP SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

AND WHAT ARE THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE? THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

SO WE'LL GO AROUND, UM, AND, AND SEE IF FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.

UH, WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER GORDON.

I CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, TWO QUESTIONS, MR. NEIL.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MR. BEDFORD.

UH, CURRENTLY, NO QUESTIONS, MR. RANDBURG.

UM, YEAH, I DID HAVE, UM, ONE QUESTION AND I WAS KIND OF REVIEWING THE, THE PRESENTATION AND THEN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GOT LAST YEAR.

AND, UM, I HAD A QUESTION OF HOW, UM, IF, IF A PARK STAFF HAD BEEN ABLE TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT ON TOWN LAKE, UM, DURING SOME OF THESE PEAK PERIODS, UH, I KNOW DURING COVID IT'S I FROM JUST ANECDOTAL INFORMATION, IT LOOKS LIKE ME DRIVING BY, IT LOOKS LIKE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE AND MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY ON RENTED,

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UM, PADDLEBOARDS OR CANOES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I KNOW ONE OF THE, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD LAST TIME, UM, WHEN WE SPOKE LAST NOVEMBER WAS AN ESTIMATION OF THAT.

AND THEN KIND OF AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, ABILITY TO RESPOND, OR IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY NEED FOR RESPONSES.

JUST IF YOU GUYS WOULDN'T MIND KIND OF MAYBE GIVING US AN UPDATE ON, ON HOW YOU'RE SEEING ANY TRENDING USE, UM, BY PEOPLE THAT MAYBE WE AREN'T USING RENTED, UH, EQUIPMENT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTION I GOT.

UM, OKAY.

UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT NOW? UM, SURE.

SO, OKAY.

AND ALSO I SHOULD MENTION, UM, I'M ALSO HERE WITH PAT ROSETTA WHO'S, UM, UH, CONTRACTS, UNIT SUPERVISOR.

UM, SO, BUT I'LL, I'LL START AND THEN PAT CAN, UM, JUMP IN AND IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING, BUT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT LAKE CAPACITY AND, UM, THIS YEAR, I MEAN, I CAPTURED THAT ON SLIDE 17 OF THIS PRESENTATION, OR AT LEAST ADDRESSED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE NORMALLY HAVE BEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE BEEN, UM, TRACKING USAGE DURING PEAK TIMES THIS YEAR.

UM, THEY WERE, THE CONCESSIONS WERE CLOSED DURING SPRING BREAK.

THEY WERE ALSO CLOSED DURING 4TH OF JULY.

UM, AND SO WE DIDN'T REALLY TRACK PEAK PERIODS.

IT TURNS OUT THAT THIS YEAR, JUST ANECDOTALLY, THE PEAK PERIODS WERE REALLY NOT THE PERIODS THAT THEY'VE NORMALLY BEEN THE PEAK PERIODS THIS YEAR.

WE'RE, UM, THERE'S ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT SHOWS THE MONTHS THAT HAD THE PEAK USAGE.

AND THAT IS, UM, NUMBER SIX.

SO YOU CAN LOOK AT NUMBER SIX, THE PEAK USAGE WAS IN MAY AND JUNE.

AND THAT WAS RIGHT AFTER THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY WAS CLOSED THERE DURING APRIL.

AND THEN AS SOON AS IT OPENED, THAT'S WHEN YOU SAW ALL THE USAGE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, FOR OUR CONCESSIONS, THEY HAD A LARGE AMOUNT OF SALES DURING THAT TIME.

AND THEN, YEAH, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE LEE OWNED PADDLEBOARDS ON THE LAKE.

SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS ABOUT ALL THAT.

UM, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WENT OUT AND BOUGHT PADDLEBOARDS OR KAYAKS OR WHATEVER, WE JUST HAVE ANECDOTAL INFORMATION.

WE KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT, THAT OPERATE OFF OF THE LAKE THAT AREN'T GOVERNED BY PART.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE JUST SORT OF ROGUE DOING THEIR OWN, UM, RENTING OUT OF A TRUCK, UM, WITHOUT ANY PERMIT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT THAT'S ALL ANECDOTALLY, I DON'T HAVE ANY STATISTICS ON ALL OF THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I THINK, I THINK MAYBE A FOLLOWUP WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE WE, WE RECOMMEND TRY TO GET SOME KIND OF, OF, UH, OF SNAPSHOT OF THAT.

UM, CAUSE I THINK THE, THAT, THAT THERE'S, THAT KIND OF CARRYING CAPACITY OF THE LAKE IS, IS GONNA BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND THERE'S MORE AND MORE, UH, KIND OF PRIVATE USE, MAYBE YOUR, THIS ROGUE ROGUE USE THAT WE'RE SEEING.

UH, WE DO USUALLY KEEP A TRACK OF THE PEAK USAGE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE UNUSUAL ILLNESS OF THIS YEAR WITH THE COVID-19 THAT'S WHEN THESE CONCESSIONS WERE CLOSED AND WHEN THEY WERE OPENED AGAIN, JULY AND AUGUST WERE PEAK TIMES FOR THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THEIR REVENUE INCREASED.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS JUST TO, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS TRYING TO GET NUMBERS FROM PRIVATE COMPANIES AS WELL.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO? UM, OR, SORRY.

UH, I, I THINK IT'S MORE, UH, TO TRY TO GET A FULL ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE, UM, IN SOME OF THESE PEAK TIMES, AND THEN WE WOULD PRESUMABLY HAVE THE DATA THAT SAYS, WELL, WE THINK THIS NUMBER IS FROM CONCESSIONERS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A PLUS B EQUALS C ANOTHER 50% OR SO ARE PRESUMABLY, UM, EITHER HAVE A WATERCRAFT OR ARE, YOU KNOW, RENTING IT FROM OUTSIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I THINK THAT WILL TELL A FULLER PICTURE OF, OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE.

UM, AND THEN, UH, MAYBE RECOMMEND THAT KIND OF FOR THIS NEXT COMING YEAR.

OKAY.

SO A COMPLETE COUNT AND THEN PULLED OUT ARE WHAT WE KNOW OF THE CONCESSIONAIRES, AND THEN WE CAN ATTRIBUTE THE OTHER NUMBERS TO EITHER PRIVATE WATERCRAFT OR OTHER COMPANIES OPERATING ON THIS, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

YES.

CORRECT? YES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMBURG.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M MOVING ON TO COMMISSIONER.

NO, I'M NOT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

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SURE.

UM, I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE BEEN TO COMMISSIONER SMITH'S YET.

NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

UM, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, YOU HAVE A QUESTION NOW.

DID I REACH EVERYONE ELSE? DID I ASK EVERYONE ELSE? I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER GORDON.

I ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER THOMPSON FIRST, THEN WE'LL COME TO YOU FOR SURE.

UM, THANKS KATIE.

I JUST WONDERED IF THE CITY HAD MADE AN EFFORT TO, UM, PUT SIGNS ARE SUGGESTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE RIGHT DISTANCE BETWEEN THEMSELVES ON CITY CONCESSIONS AND SO FORTH AND LIKE INFORMATION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU ENTER THE PARK AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I JUST FEEL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND, AND THAT PEOPLE SHOULD WEAR A MASK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, AND THE OTHER THING I WAS LOOKING AT IS THE, UM, THE CONCESSION EXTENSIONS, I GUESS WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE COMING UP AT SOME POINT.

SO IT WAS JUST .

THANK YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

OKAY.

THE VICE CHAIR, THAT IS THE CHAIR ON THE PHONE.

WE FINALLY WERE ABLE TO ADD HER TO THE MEETING.

UH, HI.

HI THERE.

MADAM CHAIR.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS TO ASK.

YOU'RE VERY HARD TO HEAR.

AND ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO GO TO COMMISSIONER GORDON NEXT AND THEN GO TO YOU IF POSSIBLE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MR. GORE.

OKAY.

THANKS.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE.

I WAS TRYING TO GET ORIENTED ON SOME OF THE REVENUE SLIDES.

SO JUST OUT OF ANY CURIOSITY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SLIDE FIVE OR THE BACKUP PRESENTATION, THE FY 20 INCOME EXPENDITURES AND PAYMENTS TO THE CITY, I WAS CURIOUS, DID WE HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT, I GUESS WHAT THE PROJECTIONS WERE OR EXPECTATIONS WERE? SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE QUESTION AND I'LL LET YOU ANSWER THAT AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO A COUPLE OTHERS.

UM, I'M I'M NOT, WHAT COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY PROJECTIONS? WE DON'T REALLY, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE PROJECTION.

OKAY.

WELL, I WAS JUST, YEAH, LET ME SEE.

I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS.

CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT JUST SAYS FYI 20 INCOME EXPENDITURES AND PAYMENTS FROM THE DIFFERENT CONCESSIONAIRES.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME PROJECTIONS ARE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF NOT, I GUESS I WAS LOOKING AT THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH SHOWED FROM SHOW OVERALL.

IT SAID ALL CONCESSIONS DOWN 16%.

AND, AND I, AND I'M TRYING TO GET MY DENOMINATOR HERE CAUSE IT SAYS MONTHLY REVENUES, FYI 19 VERSUS FYI 20.

AND IT SAYS ALL CONCESSIONS DOWN 16%.

SO IS THAT OVERALL FOR THE YEAR? YEAH, I CAN EXPLAIN THAT.

SO, UM, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE PROJECTIONS, LIKE WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING, UH, BECAUSE FROM YEAR TO YEAR THERE COULD BE FLOODING.

THERE COULD BE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPEN, UH, WEATHER EVENTS THAT AFFECT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS AND, AND HOW MANY CUSTOMERS THEY HAVE AND WHAT THEIR REVENUE IS.

SO IN NUMBER SIX, UM, WELL THAT WAS JUST A COMPARISON OF THIS YEAR TO LAST YEAR.

SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THE SLIDE ON THE LEFT WHERE YOU, YOU POINTED OUT IT WAS 16% DOWN THAT, SO I JUST TOTALED UP ALL THE REVENUE FROM ALL THE CONCESSIONS FROM AND COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, AND IT WAS DOWN 16% AND, UM, AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF COVID DUE TO COVID 19.

SO, UM, THAT SLIDE THERE, NUMBER SIX, YOU SEE THAT LONESTAR RIVERBOATS IS DOWN THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.

AND THAT WAS BASICALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE CAPACITY LIMITS ON THEIR, UM, ON LIKE THEY WERE CLOSED FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND NOW THAT THEY'RE OPEN, THEY STILL HAVE CAPACITY LIMITS AND THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE THE REVENUE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, UH, PRE COVID.

UM, AND THE SLIDE WITH EPICS UP, UM, THAT'S IN THERE BECAUSE THE PADDLING CONCESSIONS, UH, HAVE HAD A LOT OF REVENUE AND A LOT OF BUSINESS THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF COVID OR, UM, BECAUSE AS SOON AS THE, UM, THE SANCTIONS OR THE, UM, RESTRICTIONS WERE LIFTED, THERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE WATER THIS SUMMER IS PROBABLY NUMBER OF YOU HAVE NOTICED.

SO, SO I JUST MADE COMPARISONS.

SO SLIDE FIVE IS JUST NUMBERS BASED ON THIS YEAR, SLIDE SIX IS

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BASED COMPARED TO LAST YEAR AND THEN SLIDE SEVEN AS A COMPARISON TO A FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE TAKEN THE AVERAGE AMOUNTS BETWEEN FYI 14 AND FYI 19.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.

OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

YEAH.

AND THEN ON THAT LAST SIDE, A SLIDE, SORRY.

I'M I'M S SEVEN.

YEAH, I WAS JUST, AGAIN, I MEAN, I, YEAH, I SEE WHAT THE COMPARISON IS.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND ESSENTIALLY WHAT LESSONS COULD BE GREEN FROM THAT.

AND I MEAN, HONESTLY, JUST AS A READER AND I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT LESSONS LIKE GLEAN FROM THAT, BECAUSE OF COURSE WE'RE PUMPING SO MUCH DATA INTO ONE BAR AND THEN WE JUST HAVE THE OTHER BAR.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS ASIDE FROM THE WAY THE SLIDES WERE PUT AND SO FORTH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER TAKE HOMES HERE.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, CAMP HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE AND I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, WELL FRIENDS SAY PRE COVID, OF COURSE WE'VE MAYBE LIKE HALFWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR PRE COVID THOUGH.

THE SUMMERTIME'S A PEAK.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY LESSONS TO BE DRAWN FROM MAYBE LIKE THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF DATA THAT OTHERWISE GET SWAMPED HERE.

AND I SUPPOSE I COULD GO BACK TO THAT, YOUR OVERALL REVENUES.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS SAYS? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WERE TRACKING AHEAD, RIGHT? IF I GO BACK TO SLIDE FIVE, SO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WE REVENUES WERE UP AND THEY WERE UP, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE ACTUALLY PRETTY NICELY BEFORE THE COVID HIT.

SO, YEAH, AND I WA YOU KNOW, WHEN I GIVE THE PRESENTATION, I GAVE THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING TO THE CONTRACTS AND CONCESSIONS COMMITTEE OF THE PARKS BOARD.

SO I DID GIVE A LOT OF, UH, BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE I WAS SHOWING THESE SLIDES, SO THAT WILL BE IN THE WRITTEN REPORT.

THE MORE INFORMATION WILL BE IN THE WRITTEN REPORT THAT EXPLAINED SOME OF THESE SLIDES IN THE GRAPHS.

SO, UM, I, AS FOR TAKEAWAYS THAT WE HAD FROM THIS YEAR, UH I'M, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT TAKEAWAYS WE CAN GET FROM THIS.

THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY UNUSUAL, BUT, UM, TO GO BACK TO A PREVIOUS QUESTION, UM, I, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THE CONCESSIONS, UM, FOLLOWING MASKING, UM, AND HYGIENE, AND YES, THEY WERE ALL, WE, WE ASKED ALL THE CONCESSIONS, WE REQUIRED THEM TO FOLLOW ALL THE MASKING AND HYGIENE REGULATIONS AND THE SOCIAL DISTANCING AND THEY'VE THEY'VE AND THE HAND SANITIZER AND EVERYTHING.

SO THEY'VE DONE ALL OF THAT.

UM, SO I, I'M JUST HOPING WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

YEAH.

THIS IS IT.

THIS IS PARIS.

AND AGAIN, ON THE SOCIAL DISTANCING MASS, WHEN WE ASKED OUR PARK RANGERS TO DO, SINCE WE'RE WORKING FROM HOME, WE ASKED THEM TO GO BY THE CONCESSIONAIRES TO ENSURE THAT THEY WERE INDEED FOLLOWING WHAT THE RULES WERE.

AND SOME OF OUR CONDITIONER WENT AS FAR AS TO GIVE MASKS TO CUSTOMERS WHO DIDN'T HAVE THEM.

SO NOT JUST THE STAFF, BUT CUSTOMERS WERE ALSO REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE SOCIAL DISTANCING RULES.

THANKS.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE, WE TRY TO MOVE ALONG ON OUR AGENDA AND I WANT TO GO TO MADAM CHAIR WHO HAS A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL BEFORE WE MOVE ON MONETARY THERE STILL.

YEAH.

UH, YEAH.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY I DIDN'T SEE THE SLIDES, BUT I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS I'M ON MY PHONE.

AND ONE OF THEM IS WHEN WE ARE GIVING, GETTING READY TO DO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE VOTING CONCESSIONS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, THE ECOLOGICAL, FRESH WATER AND WATER POLLUTION AND HOW TO PREVENT DAMAGING THE RIGHT PAIR IN AREAS? AND, UH, ARE THEY AWARE OF ANY KIND OF RESTORATION PLANS ON THE LAKE? I WILL.

I'LL SPEAK TO THAT.

THIS IS PAT ROSETTA.

IN FACT, WE WERE GOING TO GO OUT FOR ANOTHER SOLICITATION FOR THE SILK OR BOAT RENTALS.

AND AS PART OF THAT, WE HAVE JOINED FORCES WITH THE, UH, WITH WATERSHED DEPARTMENT.

AND WE'RE NOT ONLY ASKING THEM TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND TO BE EDUCATED, BUT TO EDUCATE THEIR, THEIR CONSUMERS AS WELL.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO HAVE A LINK AVAILABLE SO THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE, PRESERVE THE AREA AROUND THERE, AS WELL AS THE WILDLIFE.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING INTO THIS NEW SOLICITATION,

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AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

I COULD SHARE THAT LANGUAGE WITH YOU AND SEND IT TO KAYLA, AND SHE CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU AS WELL.

GREAT.

AND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME DATA GOING TOO, AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.

DID I HEAR AND OH, GO AHEAD.

DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING? HELLO? I'M SORRY.

SO ANYWAYS, IF WE CAN GET SOME DATA TO, THAT WOULD BE GREAT UNTIL WE CAN HAVE LIKE A, UM, YOU KNOW, A BASELINE AS THIS CONTINUES.

WAS THERE A SLIDE THAT SHOWED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREASED? UM, UH, MASTER PLAN WITH ZILKER PARTS ARE GOING TO INCREASE CONCESSIONS ALONG THE LAKE.

I, I DID NOT.

I HEARD THAT OR NOT THAT THAT PROCESS HAS NOT EAT.

THAT VISION PLAN HAS NOT EVEN BEGUN.

AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT THERE'S AN INCREASE IN CONCESSION.

IT JUST IT'LL BE PART, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC PROCESS AND WHATEVER COMES TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'LL HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AS WELL, BUT I'M, I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT PROCESS HAS NOT EVEN BEGUN AT THIS POINT.

OKAY.

WELL, Y'ALL KEEP US IN THE LOOP AS IT COMES CLOSER.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.

RIGHT.

THE VISION PLAN FOR ZILKER PARK FINN.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU, KATIE.

UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO KEEP MOVING ON THIS MEETING? YES, PLEASE.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY.

THANK YOU, PLEASE.

SURE.

WELL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UM, I DO, UH, MADAM VICE CHAIR.

YOU'RE READY FOR IT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ON THE SUBJECT OF THE 2020 ANNUAL REPORT OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT MANAGED CONCESSIONS ON TOWN LAKE OR LADYBIRD LAKE, UM, WHEREAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED A STAFF BRIEFING, THE 2020 ANNUAL REPORT, AND THEREFORE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOMMENDS CONTINUATION OF THE CONCESSION CONTRACTS ON LADYBIRD LAKE PARK WITH THE FOLLOWING ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION CONDITIONS.

AND THERE'S FIVE, UH, NUMBER ONE, CONSISTENT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE CONDITIONS.

PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE NEXT ANNUAL REPORT.

ART STAFF WILL VERIFY THAT THREE YEARS OF RECORDS FOR MARINE WASTE DISPOSAL HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED FOR ANY ENTITY THAT PUMPS WATER, FIRESIDE PUMPS WASTE ON LADY BIRD LAKE, AND THAT THESE MONTHLY RECORDS ARE INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.

GOING FORWARD.

NUMBER TWO PARTS STAFF SHOULD REVIEW THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BOATS THAT ARE TYPICALLY ON LADY BIRD LAKE.

AND IF THERE IS A CARRYING CAPACITY ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED INCLUDING CONSULTATION WITH CITY OF AUSTIN RESCUE TEAMS, NUMBER THREE, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE WAYS TO PUMP OUT DATA ON THE NEXT ANNUAL REPORT.

NUMBER FOUR, CONSIDER THE PHYSICAL, SOCIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL INTEGRITY OF LADY BIRD LAKE TO CONTINUE PAINTING UPCOMING SITUATIONS AND NUMBER FIVE, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON ANY NEW CONCESSIONS, INCLUDING, UH, SEAHOLM POWER PLANT AND, UH, THE ZILKER PLAN THAT, UH, MADAM CHAIR JUST NOTED.

THAT IS IT.

CAN I, CAN I, WE HAD A SECOND FROM, UH, MADAM CHAIR.

CAN I ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I BELIEVE YOU CAN AMEND IT.

AND THEN IF IT'S UNANIMOUS, IT GETS THROWN ON THERE.

SO JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING IF ON THE SECOND POINT FOR THE CONDITIONS THAT CARRYING CAPACITY BE CONSIDERED, UM, AND INCLUDE CONSULTATION WITH, UH, CITY OF AUSTIN RESCUE TEAMS. I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE CONSULTATION WITH RESCUE TEAMS AND ALSO WATERSHED PROTECTION, SO THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT SAFETY CARRYING CAPACITY, BUT ALSO ECOLOGICAL CARRYING CAPACITY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO OTHER FOLKS? YES.

YES.

I AGREE.

ANYONE, ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT ADDITION? IT HAS TO BE UNANIMOUS.

NONE OF IT'S A CONDITION, NOT A SECOND.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND TO FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, AND WE WILL GO THROUGH ROLL CALL.

ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER GORDON? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER NIL.

YES.

COMMISSIONER NEELY.

COMMISSIONER BEDFORD.

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YES.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

YES.

COMMISSIONER SMITH.

YES.

COMMISSIONER RAMBERT.

YES.

UH, MADAM CHAIR.

YEAH.

UH, AND I'M A YES.

SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

I DIDN'T MISS ANYONE.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TO CHAT WITH US ABOUT THIS.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO LOOKING AT THE FULL REPORT.

UM, WE WILL MOVE ON NOW.

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND ACTION (Part 2 of 2)]

UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, MADAM CHAIR, WE NEED TO LOOP BACK AROUND TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND ACTION.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF ABSTENTIONS, UH, SO THAT MOTION DIDN'T CARRY.

UH, SO LET'S GO BACK TO ONE 80 JUST REALLY QUICKLY.

UM, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE OCTOBER 21ST ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES, MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND BY RAMBERT STARTED BY RANDBURG.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED? GOD BLESS.

Y'ALL.

THANK YOU.

ANY ABSTENTIONS? WE HAVE AN OBSESSION BY COMMISSIONER NOW.

ALL RIGHT.

MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT.

AND COMMISSIONER NEELEY.

I THINK THAT YOU, UH, ARE, UN-MUTED SEEING YA.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO THREE, A PUBLIC HEARINGS

[3a. Name: Concordia University Campus Residence Hall, SP-2020-0038C]

AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER RAMBERT.

YOU'RE ABSTAINING FROM THIS ONE.

YEAH.

I'M GOING TO RECUSE FOR THIS ITEM.

SO, UH, RECUSED FROM THIS ONE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL SEE IN A MOMENT.

UM, SO ITEM THREE, A CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY CAMPUS RESIDENCE HALL.

UH, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR FROM STAFF TODAY? CHRIS? YEAH.

DSD STAFF, CHRISTIE WYNN, WHO WILL BE, UH, INTRODUCING THIS ITEM.

PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS CHRISTIE.

RIGHT.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, ADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS CHRISTIE WHEN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW SPECIALIST SENIOR WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, THE CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY CAMPUS RESIDENCE HALL PROJECT CASE NUMBER AS EIGHT 20 ZERO ZERO THREE EIGHT C IS LOCATED ON THE CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY CAMPUS AT ONE ONE FOUR ZERO ZERO CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND THE WATER SUPPLIES, BOURBON WATERSHED CLASSIFICATION.

THIS PROJECT IS NOT SUBJECT TO CURRENT CODE AND IS SUBJECT TO THE, EXCUSE ME, SCHLUMBERGER PLAN DEVELOPMENT AREA ORDINANCE NUMBER TWO ZERO ZERO SEVEN ZERO TWO ONE FIVE DASH ZERO FOUR TWO.

AND THE LAKE AUSTIN WATERSHED ORDINANCE NUMBER EIGHT FOUR ZERO THREE ZERO ONE DASH F.

I LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT, ALTHOUGH THIS PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO THE AFOREMENTIONED ASSIST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCES, IT IS THE SAME AS CURRENT CODE AND THAT THE ORDINANCES DO NOT CHANGE THE GRADING REGULATIONS, WHICH REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE FOREFOOT GRADING LIMITS WITHIN THE WATER SUPPLY, SUBURBAN WATERSHED CLASSIFICATION.

CONTINUING THE PROJECT SEEKS A VARIANCE TO THE LAKE AUSTIN WATERSHED ORDINANCE, SECTION NINE DASH 10 DASH FOUR OH NINE EIGHT FOUR A FILL EXCEEDING FOUR FEET WITH A MAXIMUM FILL OF 8.75 FOOT FEET AND SECTION NINE DASH 10 DASH FOUR OH NINE B FOR A CUT EXCEEDING FOUR FEET WITH A MAXIMUM CUT OF 8.75 FEET TO CONSTRUCT A RESIDENCE HALL AND ASSOCIATED PARKING AND IMPROVEMENTS.

STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE FINDINGS EFFECT IN SECTION NINE DASH 10 DASH THREE SEVEN SEVEN OF THE LAKE AUSTIN WATERSHED ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN THAT TO ALLOW FOR A CUT OR FILL EXCEEDING FOUR FEET, NOT GRANTING THE VARIANCE WITH THE PRIVATE SUCH PROPERTY OWNER OF PRIVILEGES ENJOYED BY OTHER, BY OTHER SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTY AND TIME DEVELOPMENT.

AS THE VARIANCE TO THE SAME CODE SECTIONS WERE GRANTED IN 2007 AND 2013, WORKING KOREA TO CONSTRUCT ATHLETIC FIELDS, PARKING LOTS AND ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS.

THE VARIANCE IS THE MINIMUM DEPARTURE FROM THE ORDINANCE AND WHICH WILL NOT CREATE SIGNIFICANT PROBABILITIES OF HARMFUL ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES BY UTILIZING RETAINING WALLS, TREE WELLS, TERRACING TECHNIQUES, AND MAINTAINING THE NATURAL DRAINAGE PATTERNS.

AND THE VARIANCE IS NOT NECESSITATED BY THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS VARIANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THE BOYD AND FLOW MITIGATION RULE PROVISION SHALL APPLY THAT ALL TRENCHING GREATER THAN FIVE FEET MUST BE INSPECTED BY A TEXAS PROFESSIONAL GEO-SCIENTISTS OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE PRESERVED 10 TOP INCHES OF TOP SOIL TO BE USED ONSITE AND INCREASED PRE MITIGATION AND LANDSCAPING FOR AREAS OF BILL TO STABILIZE EROSION, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE MISSION AND THE COMMISSION,

[00:35:01]

UH, WE CAN GO AROUND.

UH, BUT I I'M JUST GOING TO ACTUALLY ASK, DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS THAT A VICE CHAIRS, KAYLA CHAPLAIN VARSHA PROTECTION.

WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE ON THE LINE TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES AND THEN COMMISSIONER COMMERCIAL COORDINATORS HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION RELATIVE TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

WAS THAT SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT? IS THAT WHEN LOOKING AT YES.

OKAY.

YES, GORDON.

OKAY.

UH, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR THREE MINUTES AND THEN WE CAN MOVE BACK AROUND AND SEE IF FOLKS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

YEAH.

HI, THIS IS BRANDON HAMON WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES.

UM, WE ARE THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT ON BEHALF OF CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY.

UM, AS CHRISTINE HAD MENTIONED, THERE HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE YEARS AFTER CONCORDIA HAD ACQUIRED THE CAMPUS FROM SCHLUMBERGER IN 2007.

AT THE TIME THEY CONVERTED, UH, THE, WHAT WAS OUT THERE AS KIND OF LIKE MORE OF R AND D TYPE OFFICE USE, UM, TO A HIGHER ED INSTITUTION.

UM, SO, UM, BACK IN 2007, THEY HAD CONSTRUCTED SOME, UH, RESIDENCE HALLS, WHICH THIS CURRENT PROPOSED RESIDENCE HALL WOULD BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO JUST KIND OF AN AREA THAT THE UNIVERSITY HAS DESIGNATED AS STUDENT HOUSING.

UM, ALSO IN 2007, UH, THEY HAD CONSTRUCTED A BASEBALL FIELD FOR THEIR ATHLETICS PROGRAM AND OTHER MISCELLANEOUS IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

UH, AND THEN IN 2013, KIMLEY-HORN WAS ALSO THE REPRESENTATIVE CONCORDIA.

I SHOULD CLARIFY.

IN 2007, IT WAS BARRY.

UM, NOW KNOWN AS STANTEC THAT WAS REPRESENTING CONCORDIA, BUT IN 2013, KIMLEY-HORN REPRESENTED THE UNIVERSITY, UH, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SOFTBALL FIELD AND AGAIN, TO SUPPORT THEIR ATHLETICS PROGRAM.

UM, SO THE, THE CAMP, THE CAMPUS ITSELF RESIDES ON A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S, UH, 400 PLUS ACRES, BUT IT ALSO HAS QUITE A BIT OF TERRAIN.

I JUST GIVEN THE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, UH, THAT KIND OF WESTERN AREA OF AUSTIN.

AND SO DOING ANY SORT OF SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, PARKING BUILDINGS, UM, STORM WATER, QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TYPICALLY REQUIRE A CUT FILL AT AN EXCEEDANCE OF FOUR FEET.

UM, SO AS CHRISTIE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IN PRO UH, PREVIOUS SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS TO CONSTRUCT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, IT DID REQUIRE, UH, VARIANCES IN ORDER TO MEET THE PROGRAMMATIC REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THOSE ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, RESIDENCE HALLS, ET CETERA.

UM, SO WITH THIS CURRENT PROJECT, WE FELT LIKE WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO WORK WITH THE TERRAIN, UM, PRESERVE TREES TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, UM, WITH THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, TRIED TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CUT AND FILL.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WITHIN A PRETTY SLOPED AREA, UH, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, UM, SLIPS WITHIN THAT PARKING LOT THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE BY THE STUDENTS AND STAFF AND VISITORS.

UM, AND THEN WITH THE RESIDENCE HALL ITSELF, UH, IT'S ALSO ON A, A PRETTY STEEP PART OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ALSO ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE HALLS.

UM, AND THE, UH, BUILDING ITSELF WAS DESIGNED WITH SPLIT FINISHED FLOORS TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF FILL IN THAT AREA.

UM, AND THERE'S ALSO AN AMPHITHEATER AREA BEHIND THE BUILDING THAT WILL SERVE AS A CONGREGATION FOR STUDENTS AND HAS ALL BEEN DESIGNED FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY.

UM, SO I THINK I'M GETTING CLOSE TO MY THREE MINUTES, BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SYNOPSIS OF THE HISTORY AND, UH, THE CURRENT PROPOSED PROJECT ITSELF.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. HAMMAN.

WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.

OKAY.

WELL, I HAVE A MOTION, UH, THAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE.

SO, UM, UH, ITEM THREE, A ACCORDING TO UNIVERSITY CAMPUS RESIDENCE HALL, WHEREAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOGNIZES THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM THE LAKE AUSTIN WATERSHED ORDINANCE NUMBER EIGHT FOUR ZERO THREE ZERO ONE DASH F LDC CHAPTER NINE TO 10, SECTION NINE, TEN FOUR OH NINE B FOR CUT, EXCEEDING FOUR FEET.

WHEREAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOGNIZES THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM LAKE AUSTIN WATERSHED ORDINANCE NUMBER EIGHT FOUR THREE ZERO ONE DASH S LDC CHAPTER NINE TO 10, SECTION NINE DASH 10 DASH NINE, A FRUITS FULFILL EXCEEDING FOUR FEET.

AND

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WHEREAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOGNIZES THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THESE VARIANCES WITH CONDITIONS.

HAVING DETERMINED THE REQUIRED FINDINGS OF FACT HAVE BEEN MET.

THEREFORE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE VARIANCE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING NUMBER ONE, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING STEP CONDITIONS.

NUMBER ONE, SUBJECT TO THE VOID AND WATERFLOW MITIGATION RULE CITY ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA MANUAL ONE.ONE, TWO.ZERO AND CITY STANDARD SPECIFICATION MANUAL NUMBER SIX, FIVE EIGHT S PROVISION THAT ALL TRENCHING GREATER THAN FIVE FEET DEEP MUST BE INSPECTED BY A QUALIFIED TAX PROFESSIONAL GEO-SCIENTISTS OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE NUMBER TO PRESERVE THE TOP 10 INCHES OF TOPSOIL TO BE USED ON SITE.

AND NUMBER THREE, INCREASED TREE MITIGATION AND LANDSCAPING FOR THERE IS A BILL TO STABILIZE THE EROSION AS SHOWN ON LANDSCAPE PLAN SUBMITTED IN THIS GRAY BACK.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER CORNELL SECONDED.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

UH, NOW WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONER NEELEY.

YES.

THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

YES.

UM, COMMISSIONER COIN.

YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER GORDON.

YES.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

YES.

MR. BEDFORD.

YES.

COMMISSIONER NEIL.

YES.

OKAY.

MOTION CARRIES EIGHT, UH, UH, WITH EIGHT WITH ONE A RECUSAL.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS SO MUCH.

Y'ALL UH, WE'LL MOVE ON

[3b. Name: Albert H. Ullrich Water Treatment Plant, Revision 2, SPC-03-0005C(R2)]

TO ITEM THREE B ALRIGHT.

3D ELDER AGE OLRICK WATER TREATMENT PLAN REVISION TWO.

UH, WE HAVE AN APPLICANT.

WE HAVE THE APPLICANT AND STAFF HERE, UH, TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE.

MADAM VICE CHAIR, CHRIS SANCTA ENVIRONMENT, OFFICER WE'RE MOVING OVER PAMELA ABBY TAVI WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO LAY OUT THIS ITEM.

AND WE D WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT, UM, WILLIAM WIENER ALSO AVAILABLE.

GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, WELL, LET'S HEAR FROM PAMELA.

THANKS.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

VICE-CHAIR COIN AND COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS FAMILY VITALI DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

I'M INTRODUCING SEVEN VARIANCES FOR THE ORIC WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

THE PLANT WAS FIRST PERMITTED IN 2003 AND COMPRISES 141 ACRES ADJACENT TO TOM MILLER DAM.

THE SITE PLAN INCLUDES MULTIPLE PROJECTS WILL REQUIRE SEVEN ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES.

UH, AND THIS IS LARGELY DUE TO THE SITE'S LOCATION IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA WITH NUMEROUS ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.

THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE HAS SLOPES IN EXCESS OF 35% IS BOUNDED BY CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONES AND WATER QUAL QUALITY TRANSITION ZONES ENCOMPASSES BOTH A WETLAND AND RIM ROCK ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES AND HAS NUMEROUS HERITAGE TREES.

STAFF ARE SATISFIED THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECTS ARE NECESSARY TO MAKE CRITICAL UPGRADES, TO REPLACE OLD AND OUTDATED EQUIPMENT, TO PROVIDE IMPROVED ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS AND TO INCREASE SAFETY FOR PLANT STAFF.

THE SLUDGE CHANGE OVER FACILITY, FOR EXAMPLE, REPLACES EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT REQUIRE CONFINED SPACE ENTRY, OTHER I'M SORRY.

OTHER IMPROVEMENTS PROVIDE SAFETY WASHDOWN AREAS AND A LOOPED PORTABLE WATER SUPPLY TO THE FACILITY.

THE SPILL CONTAINMENT STRUCTURE WILL CONTAIN FUGITIVE SPILLS THAT MAY ENTER THE EXISTING STORM DRAIN FROM A CHEMICAL DELIVERY AREAS AND WILL PREVENT THEIR DISCHARGE INTO LITTLE BEE CREEK.

THE LOW SERVICE PUMP STATION ELECTRICAL FEED RENEWAL PROJECT INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ELECTRICAL BUILDING, RETAINING WALLS, ELECTRIC AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND ACCESS ROAD AND DUCT BANK ROUTING STEP STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER MULTIPLE DESIGN ALTERNATE TURNITIN IN THE END.

OOPS, IN THE END, STAFF ARE SATISFIED THAT ALL POSSIBILITIES HAVE BEEN EXPLORED.

OH MY GOODNESS.

OKAY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

BUT ALL POSSIBILITIES HAVE BEEN EXPLORED

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AND THAT THE VARIANCES COULD NOT BE AVOIDED, THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN LOCATED IN AS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE THEIR DESIGN FUNCTIONS, THAT THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO BE THE MINIMUM DEVIATION FROM CODE AND THAT NO HARMFUL ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES ARE FORESEEN.

IN FACT, ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS WILL BE IMPROVED BY PROVIDING TREATMENT FOR CONTAMINATED RUNOFF AND ELIMINATING CURRENTLY OCCURRING EROSION FROM A RUNOFF ON SLOPES IN SHORT STAFF DEEMS THE FINDINGS OF FACT TOO, HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THE VARIANCES FOR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU.

VICE-CHAIR.

THIS IS CHRIS HARRINGTON.

DEBARMENT OFFICER ALISON NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE BOBBY LEVINSKY AS A REGISTERED SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM.

SO WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE THE APPLICANT AND THEN, UH, MR. LEVINSKY.

OKAY.

UH, SHOULD WE HEAR FROM THE AFRICAN FIRST AND THEN GO TO MR. LAVINSKY WILLIAM WINNER? YES, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

AND WILLIAM, IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, YOU MAY ON MUTE AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANKS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS WILLIAM WAITER.

I'M WITH HER ANTHONY AND SPRING FOR PROFIT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, UH, FOR THE ALRICK LOAD SERVICE PUMP STATION AND ELECTRICAL FEED RENEWAL PROJECT.

AS PAMELA MENTIONED, THIS, UH, THE APPLICATION IS FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS.

WE ARE THE PRIME DESIGN ENGINEER FOR THE ELECTRICAL FEED RENEWAL PROJECT THAT WE'LL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE APPLICATION.

WE WERE SELECTED AS THE PRIME DESIGN ENGINEER FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO LEAD UP THE DESIGN EFFORT FOR AUSTIN WATER.

PAMELA HAS DESCRIBED THE CHALLENGES AND ISSUES WITH THE SITE QUITE THOROUGHLY.

AND THE ONLY THING WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO IT IS, IS THAT THE DESIGN TEAM HAS BEEN GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND COLLABORATE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMANENT TEAM TO PUT TOGETHER THE PACKAGE.

UH, YEAH.

BEFORE YOU TODAY, I'LL BE AVAILABLE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL GO TO MR. LEVINSKY NEXT.

ARE YOU ON THE LINE, MS. SPEED? YES.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS BOBBY LEVINSKY WITH THE SAVE OUR SPRINGS ALLIANCE.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO FIRST START BY, UM, KIND OF EXPLAINING WHY WE REGISTERED IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM, UM, AND APPRECIATE, UM, PAMELA FOR, UH, SPEAKING WITH US.

I THINK SHE HELPED CLARIFY A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS, BUT THE FIRST CONCERN THAT WE HAD WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NOTHING INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE TO CONNECT THE INTAKE STRUCTURE FOR THIS FACILITY, TO THE, UM, LADY BIRD, LAKE WATER, UM, AS ENVISIONED UNDER THE WATER FORD PLAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS HAPPENING HERE.

SO THAT'S OUR CONCERN WITH SATISFIED FOR US.

UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, JUST WITH THE NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES THAT ARE, UM, LISTED ON THIS ITEM, I THOUGHT IT WARRANTED A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSER LOOK, UM, IS NOT TOO MUCH OF A SHOCK GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY THAT ANYTHING YOU DO ON IT WOULD REQUIRE ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES.

BUT, UM, I THINK, UM, THE STAFF DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED DOES, UM, KIND OF LIMIT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND WORK WITH THE, UM, THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE.

WELL, SO ONE PART THAT WE MIGHT DEVIATE A LITTLE BIT FROM STAFF IS INVOLVED THE ACCESS ROAD.

UM, SO THERE IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE ACCESS ROAD CREATES A LOOP FOR THE SITES.

THE TRUCKS DON'T HAVE TO TURN AROUND.

UM, IT ALSO PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE ELECTRICAL, UM, BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT, WHICH THAT MAKES SENSE.

I THINK THE PART OF THE ACCESS ROAD THAT IS KIND OF CONTINUING ON AND JUST IS, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE A NICE TO HAVE RATHER THAN A REQUIREMENT FOR THE PART THAT, UM, IT'S JUST BASICALLY AVOIDING THE TRUCKS TURNING AROUND THIS FACILITY HAS BEEN AN OPERATION FOR MANY YEARS.

NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT RAISES TO THE LEVEL OF SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY.

UM, AND I THINK THAT THE, THERE'S A GOOD EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY CHOSE TO PUT THE ROAD THERE, WHICH IS THAT IT'S LARGELY A CLEAR PATH ALREADY.

UM, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF GOING INTO THE CONCEPT THAT A MISTAKE IN THE PAST JUSTIFIES SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.

UM, I THINK THAT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT ACCESS ROAD COULD BE AVOIDED, UM, AND AVOID SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, DEVIATION FROM THE CODE.

SO JUST ON THAT PART, WE WOULD OBJECT TO IT, BUT OTHERWISE WE THINK STAFF DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF LOCATING THE FACILITIES AS, UM, AS PAMELA DESCRIBED.

SO THANK YOU.

THANKS, BOBBY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, WE'LL GO TO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS NOW.

UH, ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER GORDON? I DO FOLLOW UP ON, ON WHAT WE JUST HEARD.

SO CAN POTENTIALLY, I GUESS IF IT'S THE CITY STAFF REPRESENTATIVE,

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UH, TALK TO US MORE ABOUT THE ACCESS ROAD AND WHETHER IT IS IN FACT NECESSARY.

UM, SO I ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO LET THE, UH, THE APPLICANT HANDLE THAT AS FAR AS THE, FOR THE NECESSITY OF IT.

I THINK I, UM, AS BOBBY MENTIONED, UH, IT IS IN AN AREA THAT IS THE LOCATION.

IF IT TO BE HAD THE LOCATION IS I THINK THE BEST LOCATION YOU COULD HAVE FOR IT.

IT'S, UM, AN AREA THAT WAS A ROAD IN THE PAST MANY YEARS AGO.

AND SO IT WAS ALREADY CLEARED.

UM, THERE, IT HAS SOME STEEP AREAS WHERE THERE'S, UH, EROSION CURRENTLY RUNNING DOWN THAT ROAD CAUSE IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, LACKING VEGETATION.

UM, AND THERE'S A RUNOFF THAT COMES FROM THE EXISTING ELECTRIC PLANT ADJACENT TO IT.

UM, THAT'S GOING TO BE CLEARED UP SO THAT, THAT WILL BE GOOD.

UH, IF IT HAS TO BE HAD PUTTING IT ON TOP OF THE DUCT BANK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL I, I CAN SAY.

CAN WE HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THE APPLICANT ON THAT ITEM? THE IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT HERE IS THE ELECTRICAL DUCT BANK CONNECTING THE ENCLOSURE TO THE LOW SERVICE PUMP STATION AND BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN ACCESS TO THE DUCT BANK IS THE MAIN REASON WHY THE ACCESS ROAD NEEDS TO BE PLACED ON TOP OF IT.

IT ALSO HAS MANY GREAT SECONDARY BENEFITS FOR THE TURNAROUND AS WELL AS BETTER ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS TO THE LOW SERVICE PUMP STATION IN THE EVENT OF ANY EMERGENCIES.

SO, UH, SO WE HAVE TWO VERSIONS HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AUGUST SAY IMPORTANT OR NECESSARY.

UH, RIGHT.

SO I MEAN, IF, IF WE, AS THE COMMISSION WERE TO SAY NO TO THE PLANS FOR THE ACCESS ROAD, WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED? I GUESS, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES TO THE PROJECT? A QUESTION THAT THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER.

I MEAN, IS THIS A VIABLE PROJECT WITHOUT THAT ROAD IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BASICALLY.

COMMISSIONER GORDON.

YES.

THE, THE KIND OF IMPORTANT ASPECT AGAIN IS, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH AND CAUSING THE DISTURBANCE IN THE AREA TO INSTALL THE DUCT BANK UPWARDS.

THE DUCT BANK IS UPWARDS OF A WIDTH OF 20 FEET WITH THE NEEDED FOR ACCESS.

THE ACCESS ROAD WILL ALSO PRO WE'LL NEED TO PROVIDE YOU'LL NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET EQUIPMENT TRUCKS OUT TO THE MANHOLES TO PROVIDE ACCESS ANYWAY, WHICH WILL BE A CHALLENGE WITHOUT THE ROAD ON THERE.

AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND WE'RE ALREADY DISTURBING THE ENTIRE AREA TO INSTALL THE DUCT BANK AND THEN FINISHING IT ON TOP OF THE, UH, FINISHING THE ROAD ON TOP OF THE DUCT BANK.

THE OWNER IS DEFINITELY PUSHING FOR THIS AND SAYING THAT THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, UM, ASPECT OF THE PROJECT AS WELL.

IF WE CAN'T INSTALL THE DUCT BANK IN THE AREA, THE POWER WILL NOT BE PROVIDED, UH, TO THE LOW SERVICE PUMP STATION FROM THE ELECTRICAL ENCLOSURE.

WELL, SORRY.

SO ONE FOLLOW UP HERE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE MY PAY GRADE TO FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS OF THIS.

IS THERE THE POSSIBILITY OF WHATEVER DISTURBANCE NEEDS WILL OCCUR BY WAY OF INSTALLING WHAT YOU NEED TO INSTALL, BUT THEN DOING SOME SORT OF RESTORATION.

I MEAN, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS NEED TO BE A PERMANENT FEATURE OR CAN THERE BE WHATEVER TEMPORARY DISTURBANCE DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THEN SOME AMOUNT OF RESTORATION THAT WOULD OCCUR AFTER WORDS? YEAH.

AND

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I GUESS JUST TO BUILD ON THAT, YEAH.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT KIND OF MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO OCCUR ALONG THAT POST CONSTRUCTION AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A NEED OR A WANT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL CAN RESPOND TO? SO ANOTHER ASPECT OF THE FACT THAT DUCT INSTALLED ALONG THIS ROADWAY, UH, RESTORATION EFFORTS REALLY AREN'T POSSIBLE, UH, FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE DUCT BANK.

BECAUSE AS THIS BEING AN ELECTRICAL DUCT BANK, WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS UP OUT OF THE WATER TABLE TO AVOID WATER FROM INFILTRATING AND POTENTIALLY DAMAGING THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.

SO THE DUCT BANK IS GOING TO BE PLACED ABOVE GRADE.

SO A RESTORATION EFFORT IS NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA.

UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT I REALLY HAVE TO EMPHASIZE IS THE FACT THAT IF YOU NEED TRUCKS AND OTHER TYPES OF EQUIPMENT TO GET DOWN TO THE MANHOLES, THAT WON'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT AN ACCESS ROAD BEING INSTALLED ON TOP OF THE DUCT BANK CHIME IN.

UH, YEP.

SORRY.

YES, PAMELA PAMELA DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

UM, SO ONE THING THAT'S HARD TO APPRECIATE, UH, WITHOUT SEEING THE SITE IS THAT, UM, AGAIN, WITH ALL OF THE, UH, THE HERITAGE TREES AND THE WETLANDS AND EVERYTHING, THERE IS NOT REALLY A SPACE TO PUT, SAY AN ACCESS ROAD ADJACENT TO THE DUCK BANKS AND HER ACCESS ROADS AREN'T USED ALL THE TIME.

AND SO THEY, THEY DON'T MAYBE DON'T HAVE TO BE AS ROBUST, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO, TO GO THROUGH SOME WETLANDS OR, AND MITIGATE THOSE OR CUT DOWN SOME TREES OR DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PUT ACCESS ROADS ADJACENT TO IT, BY PUTTING THE ROAD ON TOP OF IT, THEN, THEN YOUR ACCESS TO THOSE, THERE ARE TWO MANHOLES, UM, ON THE ROAD IN THE ROAD AND YOUR ACCESS TO THOSE IS JUST TAKEN CARE OF RIGHT THERE WITHOUT DISTURBING MORE AREAS.

YEAH.

IT'S A PROBABLE SURFACE OR VERSUS WHAT THE ACTUAL, UM, DUCT BANK LOOKS LIKE EXCEPT FOR STRUCTURAL DESIGN.

IS THAT RIGHT? I I'M S I COULDN'T COULD NOT HEAR THE BEGINNING OF YOUR QUESTION.

I'M SORRY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S NOT REALLY THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A DRIVABLE SURFACE OR IF IT'S JUST THE DUCT BANK, EXCEPT THAT YOU ARE STRUCTURALLY ACCOUNTING FOR A DRIVABLE SURFACE AND IT'S ABOVE GRADE ANYWAY, IT WAS ALL ABOVE GRADE.

YES.

THE ROAD IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THE DUCT BANKS THEMSELVES, NONETHELESS, AT THE POINT WHERE THE, UM, MANHOLES ARE, THE ROAD ACTUALLY HAS TO BE MADE EVEN WIDER JUST FOR THOSE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MINIMUM SIZE A MANHOLE CAN, THE MANHOLES CAN BE.

SO, UM, YEAH, SO, SO YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, I BELIEVE BY PUTTING THE ROAD ON TOP.

GOTCHA.

DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMISSIONER GORDON, DO YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS JUST BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH I'M I'M GOOD RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER RANDBURG IS RAISING HIS HANDS.

GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT, THE, THE BACKUP, UH, PRESENTATION AGE 11 OF 20, AND I, UH, KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON THE DUCT BANK IS THAT, UM, CAN THAT DUCT BANK NOT BE POSITIONED ON THE EXISTING ENTRY ROAD? THAT'S KIND OF SHOWN IN BLUE, I BELIEVE ON THIS EXHIBIT.

UM, OR ARE THERE CONFLICTS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THAT ARE REQUIRING IT TO BE ALONG A NEW ALIGNMENT, OR COULD YOU FOLLOW AN EXISTING DISTURBANCE CORRIDOR TO GET IT DOWN TO, UH, THE INTAKE THAT WOULD THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONE QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

PAMELA AB TALI DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

AND ACTUALLY WE DID EXPLORE THAT.

WE REALLY TRIED TO PUSH THE APPLICANTS TOO, TO SEE IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY PUT IT IN THE EXISTING ROAD BESIDE THE EXISTING ROAD, ANY PLACE.

AND THERE'S ALREADY SO MUCH IN THOSE ROADS THAT, UM, IT REALLY, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO ADD THESE DUCK BANKS.

THESE ARE FAIRLY WIDE DUCT BANKS AS WELL.

AND, UM, FIVE TO TWO BEFORE, TWO TO OVER FIVE TO FIVE AND A HALF FEET WIDE.

AND, UM, THAT WAS DONE.

THE APPLICANT CHINA, UH, YES, THAT'S PERFECTLY CORRECT.

THE EXISTING

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ROADWAY IS, AND IS FILLED WITH UTILITIES, CONNECTING THE LOW SERVICE PUMP STATION TO THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND THEY'RE INCLUDING A 72 INCH WATER LINE THAT EXISTS ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE ROAD.

THAT TAKES UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE.

WE WOULD NOT BE MINIMIZING THE IMPACT, UM, BY, UM, PLACING ANY AND THE DUCT BANK ALONG THAT, AND POTENTIALLY CAUSING MORE OF A DISTURBING FLY GOING ALONGSIDE THE ROAD.

AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM TO PUT THE DUCT BANK INSIDE THE INSIDE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING ACCESS ROOM.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD.

I'M GOING TO TRY CALLING.

YES.

UH, I SEE COMMISSIONER THOMPSON RAISING HER HAND AND WAS THAT COMMISSIONER NEELY ALSO COMMISSIONER GORDON THAT WAS HERE.

OKAY.

WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER THOMPSON AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE COMMISSIONER VERA.

THANK YOU.

UM, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU INTEND TO PAY THE RED WITH PLEASE? UH, YEAH.

SO THIS IS THE, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE THE ROAD IS JUST GOING TO BE PAVED WITH APPLE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, UM, IS I'M WONDERING, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UM, IT'S INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE ASPHALT REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE, BUT, UM, I'M WONDERING ABOUT RUNOFF AND CAPTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S ABOVE THE RIM ROCK, AND I'M WONDERING, I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF RIM ROCK FALL IN BECAUSE OF, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF THINGS THAT GO UP AT, SO I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE, THE WEIGHT ON TOP OF IT.

SO I WONDER IF HE'D JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

THIS IS CHRIS HARRINGTON ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER, JUST TO CLARIFY, I BELIEVE THAT THE P THE ROAD IN QUESTION IS DOWN GRADIENT OF THE RIM ROCK, SO IT'S NOT ABOVE IT, BUT, UH, BETWEEN THE RIM ROCK AND THE WETLAND.

YEAH.

YES.

THE PEMA LADY TOTALLY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S ACTUALLY DOWNHILL.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IT WAS NOT, WOULD NOT WORK TO PUT THE DUCT BANKS NEAR THE CURRENT ROAD BECAUSE THE CURRENT ROAD IS ON TOP OF THE RIMROCK.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH.

THANK YOU.

GREAT.

WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER GUERRERO NEXT.

THANK YOU.

UH, WHAT IS THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD ROAD? IS WHAT'S THE LINK? HOW MANY FEET PAMELA SERVICES DEPARTMENT? I DO NOT KNOW.

WE'LL DO YOU KNOW? UH, YES.

UH, IT IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 900 FEET.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS TO REDUCE IMPACT, COULD ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT BE BROUGHT OVER BY A BARGE? UM, JUST IS PAMELA BE TOTALLY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT WHO WILL, I'D LIKE YOU TO HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THAT, BUT MY GUESTS IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE DAM.

SO YOU'VE, UH, YEAH, I WILL.

UH, YES.

THANK YOU.

UH, THIS IS WILL AGAIN, UM, I'M ARE YOU, ARE YOU, IS THE SUGGESTION BEING THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION, THE EQUIPMENT BY BARGE, OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING PERMANENT LOCATION OF EQUIPMENT BY BARGE? NO.

BRINGING SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT OVER BY BARGE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED.

MADAM MADAM CHAIR.

THIS IS CHRIS HARRINGTON, ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER.

THERE'S A WETLAND THERE.

SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER NOT TO, BECAUSE THAT COULD HAVE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE WETLAND.

THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE SHORELINE BETWEEN OR ON THE, BETWEEN THE LAKE AND THE PROPOSED ROAD, OR THEY COULD DO ANY RESTORATION TO THAT WETLAND? NO, WHAT I'M GETTING THE MESSAGES FROM OUR, UM, CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE REVIEWERS

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THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE PREFERABLE TO STAFF.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THERE'S LESS TO DISTURB IN THE ORIENTATION NOW THAN, UH, THAN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER GUERRERO? NO, THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK I FORGOT TO DO THIS ON OUR LAST ONE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

CHRIS TRIED TO TRY TO CALL ME OUT.

I'M NOT AS USED TO RUNNING THESE THINGS.

UH, I THINK I NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THAT RIGHT? YOU MAY DO IT BY MOTION OR YOU MAY CLOSE WITH UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

I MOVE, WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN NOT HIM VICE CHAIR SECOND BY GUERRERO.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, EMOTION ON THIS.

I DO.

UM, ONCE THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

UM, UH, ON THE SUBJECT OF THE ALBERT H ALDRICH WATER TREATMENT PLANT REVISION TO SPC OH THREE ZERO ZERO FIVE C R TWO.

UH, WHEREAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOGNIZES THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SEVEN VARIANCES FROM CODE, INCLUDING LDC 25 DASH EIGHT DASH TWO SIX ONE TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT IN A CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE AND BY EXTENSION IN THE WATER QUALITY TRANSITION ZONE OF A WATER SUPPLY, RURAL WATERSHED IN THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE, SOUTH LDC 25 DASH EIGHT DASH FOUR FIVE TWO FOUR, UH, TWO ELEMENTS, A PHASE TWO SWITCH AND CLOSURE, DUCT BANK AND ACCESS ROAD, AND B PHASE THREE CONTAINMENT BASIN, ELECTRICAL BUILDING AND RELATED DUCT BANKS SLEDGE CHANGE OVER FACILITY AND A SIX INCH WATERLINE.

UM, THAT WAS THE FIRST REQUESTED VARIANCE.

SECOND ONE IS A VARIANCE FROM LDC 25 DASH EIGHT DASH TWO EIGHT ONE TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN A RIM ROCK CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE BUFFER FOR A PHASE TWO DUCT BANK AND ACCESS ROAD.

THE THIRD REQUEST OF VARIANCE IS A VARIANCE FROM LDC 25 EIGHT DASH ZERO THREE, SORRY, THREE ZERO ONE TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A DRIVEWAY ON A SLOPE WITH THE GRADIENT OF MORE THAN 15% FOR PHASE TWO DUCT BANK AND ACCESS ROAD.

THE FOURTH REQUESTED VARIANCE IS A VARIANCE FROM LDC 25 DASH EIGHT THREE ZERO TO A ONE TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING ON A SLOPE WITH A GRADIENT OF MORE THAN 25% FOR TWO ELEMENTS, A PHASE TWO SWITCHGEAR ENCLOSURE AND B PHASE THREE SLEDGE CHANGEOVER FACILITY.

THE FIST FIFTH REQUESTED VARIANCE IS FROM LDC 25 DASH EIGHT THREE FOUR ONE TO ALLOW CUT TO EXCEED 16 FEET FOR PHASE THREE CONTAINMENT BASIS.

THE SIXTH REQUEST IS FROM LDC 25 DASH EIGHT THREE FOUR TWO TO ALLOW PHIL, UM, TO 12 FEET FOR THE PHASE TWO DUCT BANK AND ACCESS DRIVE.

AND THE SEVENTH REQUEST IS FROM LDC 25 DASH EIGHT DASH FOUR TWO THREE C ONE TO ALLOW IMPERVIOUS COVER TO EXCEED THE 20% LIMIT FOR DEVELOPMENT.

ARE THEY WATER SUPPLY SUPPLY SUBURBAN WATERSHED AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOGNIZED T