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          WAIT FOR VICE-CHAIR BURRELL RAMIREZ, AND I, I SEE NAUGHTY ON HERE TWICE. 
          ACTUALLY. 
          I'M HAVING PROBLEMS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? BUT YOU'RE ON HERE TWICE. 
          I DON'T, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO, I'M TRYING TO LEAVE AND COME BACK. 
          SO PLEASE START WITHOUT ME. 
          I'M HAVING TECHNICAL INSTITUTES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT IS SIX OH ONE 
          [Call to Order]
AND THE READING OF THE AGENDA WILL TAKE SOME TIME. 
          IT IS SIX OH ONE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM AND IT IS DECEMBER 1ST. 
          AND TONIGHT'S AGENDA FIRST. 
          I'LL DO THE ROLL CALL. 
          AND THAT IS COMMISSIONER KOSTA. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER THEORIES HERE. 
          UM, VICE CHAIR. 
          BERERRA RAMIREZ WILL COME BACK TO YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER BRAY COMMISSIONER. 
          DANCLER THE ROOM. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND WE'LL COME BACK TO HER COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, COMMISSIONER ABACUS, COMMISSIONER KING HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER RAY, COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER DANCLER, UH, COMMISSIONER DINKLER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UH, WELL, OKAY. 
          AND SO WE'LL GET BACK TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARE AND I'M HERE FILLING KOBASA. 
          AND THE FIRST IS 
          [Reading of the Agenda]
THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES, A ONE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 17TH TO 2020, AND THEN IT WAS 
          [Consent Agenda]
ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, B ONE ZONING C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE ONE SIX THAT UM, THEN IT'S 10, 10, THREE OH FOUR OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD. 
          AND THAT IS FOR DISCUSSION B TWO REZONING C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE TWO FOUR IS GEMINI TRACK DAY. 
          THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR APPROVAL AS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BEAT B3 REZONING SCENE 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE 25 GEMINI TRACK B. 
          AND THAT IS ALSO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION BEFORE REZONING SEE 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE TWO SIX GEMINI TRACKS C. 
          AND THAT IS ALSO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR REZONING. 
          AND THEN B FIVE REZONING SCENE 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE TWO SEVEN GEMINI TRACK D THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, A B SIX, HISTORIC ZONING, C 14 H DASH 2020 DASH ONE THREE THREE, UH, DAVID C GRABER HOUSE. 
          AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION B SEVEN HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          AND THAT IS GOING TO BE A PRESENTATION FROM, UM, CITY STAFF CARE BURTON AND THE DISCUSSION ITEM B EIGHT, REZONING C 14 DASH 20 AND 20 DASH ZERO ONE ONE SEVEN, SAMSUNG REZONING PRAC ONE AND THREE DASH ONE. 
          THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM AND B NINE REZONING C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE ONE EIGHT, SAMSUNG REZONING TRACKS TWO AND THREE. 
          AND THAT IS ALSO A DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          AND THAT IS OUR DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR TWO, OR THAT IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. 
          AND THAT IS AGAIN, THAT IS THE, UM, AND I'M GOING TO JUST COOK WITHOUT MY NOTES IN FRONT OF ME. 
          THAT IS BE, UH, A ONE MINUTES B TWO THROUGH B SIX APPROVALS. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND OUR, AND SO THOSE ARE THE CONSENT APPROVALS. 
          IS THERE A MOTION FOR, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TO, UM, AND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, COME ON. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, SO YEAH, AND I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING TO SWITCH BETWEEN PAPERS, BUT YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH, UH, MOTION SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KING. 
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          YES, YES. 
          I NEED IT. 
          I NEED TO SAY THAT I'M GOING TO BE RECUSING MYSELF, UH, ON ITEMS B EIGHT AND B NINE. 
          I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          MY SON WORKS AT SAMSUNG. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO CONSENTED AGENDA APPROVED AND, UH, WE ARE STILL, UH, COMMISSIONER BRAY. 
          WE CANNOT SEE YOU. 
          AND THERE ARE STILL TWO VICE CHAIR. 
          BERRERA RAMIREZ IS ON OUR SCREEN. 
          YES. 
          I JUST, I'M LOOKING AT THE MINUTES HERE AND I WAS LOOKING FOR, OKAY. 
          THESE ARE THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING THAT I AM ON. 
          IF I'M MISSING IT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CREATED THE WORK GROUP ON, ON A LOCALIZED FLOODING, AM I MISSING THAT SOMEWHERE WAS IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING. 
          SO WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTIONS, THE LAST MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          GREAT. 
          AND COMMISSIONER BRAY HAS JOINED US AND WE CAN SEE HIM AND WE ARE STILL HAVING, UM, VICE CHAIR, BURRELL. 
          RAMIREZ IS STILL JUST A, A NAME AND NOT A FACE ON THERE, BUT WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SURE. 
          COMMISSION IS ON ANDREW. 
          IF WE COULD CLARIFY, IF WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND APPROVE THE AGENDA. 
          YES WE DID. 
          YES. 
          WE VOTED ON IT. 
          WE DIDN'T GO. 
          WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND, BUT NOVO. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I SAW PEOPLE RAISE THEIR HANDS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL THOSE PLEASE, UH, VOTE AND RAISE YOUR HANDS AND I WILL COUNT THEM IN IT IS AND COMMISSIONER KING. 
          AND I AM ALSO IN FAVOR THAT YOU CAN'T SEE ME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND , SO IT IS UNANIMOUS. 
          WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND SO IF, SINCE, UH, VICE CHAIR, BEREA, RAMIREZ CAN HEAR US AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONLY NOW ONE OF ONE OF HER ICONS. 
          NOW, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD WITH THE FIRST CASE? 
          [B.1. Zoning: C14-2020-0116 - 10304 Old San Antonio Road; District 5]
AND THAT IS . 
          AND, UM, SO, AND CLIP THAT OFF. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE STAFF MEMBER IS I'M DOING IT FROM MEMORY, WENDY RHODES, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS WENDY RHODES, UH, WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          THIS IS A CASE ON OLD SAN ANTONIO. 
          THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 14 ACRES IN SIZE AND IT FLOATS TOWARDS WATER CREEK ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE AND CONTAINS A ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. 
          IT HAS INTERIM RURAL RESIDENTS ZONING, UH, SINCE ITS ANNEXATION IN 1997. 
          JUST FOR CONTEXT, THERE ARE PARKS OFFICES TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, APARTMENTS AND THE AKINS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL FIELDS TO THE EAST AIKEN HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS IS TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND THEN THE FODDER CREEK AND APARTMENTS ARE TO THE WEST. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ZONE THE PROPERTY, THE  SO THAT IT MP3 DISTRICT, SO THAT IT MAY BE DEVELOPED WITH APPROXIMATELY 197 UNITS. 
          HOWEVER, UM, THEY ARE AGREEABLE TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS  ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, THAT MF TWO BASIS FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, BASED ON A LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP AND THE EXISTING LAND USES. 
          AND UNDER MF TWO, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 40 FEET. 
          AND THE AVERAGE DENSITY IS ABOUT 20 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          UM, I DID REQUEST POSTPONEMENT OF THIS CASE TO THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING IN ORDER TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE LOW WATER CROSSING PROJECT ON OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD THAT IS INCLUDED AT THE BACK OF THE STAFF REPORT. 
          UM, THERE WOULD BE A CALL CUL-DE-SAC SAC ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ZONING AREA THAT IS SLATED FOR CONSTRUCTION AND IN SPRING OF 2021. 
          AND THAT, UH, CUL-DE-SAC ALONG WITH BARRIERS AT THE LOW WATER CROSSING WOULD BE USED TO PREVENT ACCESS, UH, DURING FLOODING EVENTS, UM, WITH REGARDS TO IMPROVEMENTS TO OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, THERE ARE STRIPING PLANS THAT ARE APPROVED, UM, AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF, UH, BRAZIL LANE IS LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF AKINS HIGH SCHOOL. 
          THAT'S ABOUT, UH, THAT'S SOME DISTANCE FROM, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          IT'S ABOUT 2100 LINEAR FEET TO THE SOUTH, BUT IT IS ON OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD. 
          UM, THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED RECENTLY IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, I INCLUDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT IN THE BACKUP. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE REST OF OLD SAN ANTONIO ROADS, THERE ARE NOT, UH, SUBMITTED OR DEVELOPMENT PERMITS FOR OTHER SECTIONS 
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OF THE AREA THAT I JUST DESCRIBED, THE BRAZEN LANE EXTENSION. 
          UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          THERE ARE, UM, STAFF EIGHT FROM ATD AND WATERSHED PROTECTION ON THE PHONE AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, WENDY. 
          THEN, UM, WE HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK LACEY EHLERS AND JEFF HOWARD, AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST AND YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES AND THEN THE SECOND PERSON WILL HAVE THREE GOOD EVENING. 
          THIS IS LACEY EYLERS. 
          UM, JEFF HOWARD WAS ON THE LINE AND HE WAS DISCONNECTED. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF HE CAN BE ABLE TO GET BACK IN. 
          SO, UM, HOPEFULLY, UM, WE'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. 
          SO, UM, OKAY. 
          SO MOVING ON TO THE CASE, OUR REQUEST THIS EVENING IS TO CHANGE THE SETTING FOR THE 13.92 ACRE TRACK. 
          THAT'S LOCATED ON OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD. 
          AND I BELIEVE I HAVE A PRESENTATION, HOPEFULLY THAT BEING SHOWN TO YOU, UM, THE LOCATION IS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO OUR REQUEST WAS TO CHANGE FROM INTERIM RR TO MSQ AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          ALTHOUGH OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FOR MS. THREE, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE POST PROJECT IS A LOW DENSITY. 
          MULTI-FAMILY USE WITH AN ESTIMATED 197 DWELLING UNITS. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT WILL CONSIST OF THREE, THREE BUILDINGS WITH ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS. 
          THIS MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT WILL HAVE GARAGES THAT ARE CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WILL ALLOW ACCESS DIRECT FROM THE GARAGE, THE APARTMENT, AS WELL AS SOME SURFACE PARKING RESIDENTS WILL ALSO BENEFIT FROM A FULL RECREATIONAL AMENITY PACKAGE, INCLUDING POOL WORKOUT, FACILITY AND DOG PARK. 
          IN SLIDE THREE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PROPERTY SITS ALONG THE SLAUGHTER CREEK ADJACENT TO THE SPOTTER CREEK GREENBELT, ALLOWING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY PROJECT WITH PLENTY OF OPEN SPACE AS SHOWN IN SLIDE FOUR, THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE SOME FLOOD PLAIN AND APPROPRIATE SETBACKS AND BUFFERS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL LAYOUT OF THE PROJECT. 
          THE APPLICANT ALSO INTENDS TO PROTECT HERITAGE TREES AND COME UP WITH THE BEST DESIGN POSSIBLE TO DO SO. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING DRAINAGE, DETENTION, WATER, QUALITY, TREE PRESERVATION, ENVIRONMENTAL ATLAS, 14 AND TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENTS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE LOW WATER CROSSING. 
          THAT'S NEAR THE CURVE OF OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD. 
          THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE EFFECTED BY TWO RECENTLY APPROVED ROADWAY PROJECTS AS INDICATED ON SLIDE FIVE. 
          OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF IS THAT AT ONE TIME, THE CITY EXPLORED CLOSING OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, HOWEVER, AFTER PUBLIC INPUT, THE PLAN WAS CHANGED TO KEEP THE ROADWAY OPEN AND TO CONSTRUCT SAFETY MEASURES AND IMPROVEMENTS FOR YOUTH DURING A FLOODING EVENT, THIS PROPERTY WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ACCESS TO AND FROM I 35 SERVICE ROAD AND FM 1626, THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED. 
          THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST TO EXTEND THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY FOR BRAZIL LANE, ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF ATKINS AKINS HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC FIELDS, AND TO CREATE A CONNECTION WITH OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, BRAZIL LANE ALSO HAS ITS OWN BRIDGE ACROSS . 
          THIS PROJECT WILL HELP IMPROVE CONNECTIVITY IN THE AREA. 
          THE SITE PLAN FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LOW WATER CROSSING WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER, 2019. 
          AND OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN FOR THIS PROJECT IN SPRING OF 2021. 
          BEFORE THE APPLICANT IS SCHEDULED TO BREAK GROUND ON THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, AS SHOWN IN THE PLANS ON SLIDE SIX, A TURNAROUND OR A COL-DE-SAC WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ACROSS THE ROADWAY FROM THE NORTH BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          DURING A FLOODING EVENT, OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD WILL BE CLOSED FROM THE TURNAROUND TO JUST WEST OF THE ENTRANCE INTO SOUTH PARK MEADOWS SHOPPING CENTER RESIDENTS WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS TO SM 1626 FROM OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD AND ACCESS TO . 
          ONCE THE CONNECTION IS CONSTRUCTED WITH BREAD, THE LANE, AS A RESULT, EXCEPT DURING A FLOODING EVENT, THE PROJECT WILL ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO FM 16, 26 AND 35 AS INDICATED IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          AND IT'S SHOWN ON SLIDE SEVEN. 
          AN URBAN TRAIL IS PROPOSED BY PARK THROUGH THE SLAUGHTER CREEK GREENBELT RUNNING ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          THE APPLICANT PLANS TO WORK WITH PARD AND AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS TO DETERMINE THE BEST APPROACH FOR DEDICATING PARKLAND AS PART OF THE URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          ALTHOUGH THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO SOUTH FIRST STREET, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH INTERESTED PARTIES TO ESTABLISH A CONNECTION IF POSSIBLE, TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS THAT ARE LOCATED ON SOUTH THIRD, SOUTH FIRST STREET. 
          AND THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO CONSTRUCT SIDEWALKS ALONG THE FRONT END OF THE PROPERTY ON OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD. 
          AND WE'LL WORK WITH ATD DURING THE SITE PLAN 
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PROCESS, NEGOTIATE APPROPRIATE TRAFFIC MITIGATION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          FINALLY, AS EVIDENCED IN SLIDE EIGHT, HE REQUESTED REZONING AS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA WITH MF TO THEO LOCATED NORTHWEST AND TO THE EAST, THE SOUTH PARK MEADOW SHOPPING CENTER TO THE NORTHEAST AND AIKEN HIGH SCHOOL TO THE SOUTH. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS LACEY. 
          AND IS, UH, JEFF HOWARD GOING TO SPEAK? I, YOU SAID HE'D BEEN DROPPED OFF. 
          UM, UH, IT SAYS HE'S BACK. 
          I JUST RECEIVED A MESSAGE HE'S BACK. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT JEFF HAS ANYTHING TO ADD. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S THE PRESENTATION. 
          I AGREE. 
          I'M ON THE, I AM ON THE LINE AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          YOU MAY HAVE COVERED WHAT WE NEEDED TO COVER. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN GIVEN THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION, WHY DON'T WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW? I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC, HEARING A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KING, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DANGLER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS AND OKAY. 
          IT IS UNANIMOUS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND, UM, I'M GONNA USE THE FIRST, THE LOOK AT THE LITTLE ICON THING. 
          I'M GOING TO T UH, THE HAND ICONS AND I'M TAKING CONTROL OF THE MEETING, GRABBING THE LITTLE THING, AND I SEE THE COMMISSIONER BRAY HAS HIS HAND UP. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SO I'M CURIOUS, WELL, WITH ALL THOSE URBAN TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS, WILL THERE BE A CONNECTION PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE, UH, SOUTH PARK MEADOWS SHOPPING CENTER, LACY OR JEFF LACEY OR JEFF? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? YEAH, I MUTED MYSELF. 
          YEAH. 
          I'VE USED MYSELF AND THE LADY WAS TALKING, SO I MISSED THE QUESTION. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          OH, UM, SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT, LIKE, I SAW THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE OF THE URBAN TRAIL AND, UH, LOOKING AT OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A VERY NARROW ROAD AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE'LL LET URBAN TRAIL CONNECTION TO THE PROPERTY, INCLUDE A CONNECTION TO SOUTH. 
          UH, I'M WONDERING IF THEY'RE EITHER BE ABLE TO BE CONNECTED WITH THE URBAN TRAILS FROM THE PROPERTY, AND THEN YOU COULD GET TO SOUTH PARK MEADOWS OR A SIDEWALK ALIGN OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD WHERE SOMEONE COULD GET TO STOP TO THE, UH, SOUTH PARK MEANT A SHOPPING CENTER WITHOUT HAVING TO WALK ON THE ROAD. 
          UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS A PLAN FOR SIDEWALKS IN THE ASN KEY. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT FUNDING FOR THIS ROAD. 
          UM, AT LEAST THAT'S MY, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM DISCUSSIONS WITH ATD. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON THE LINE, SO I'M SURE THEY CAN GIVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAN I CAN. 
          UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS PLANS FOR SIDEWALKS EVENTUALLY ON OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD. 
          THERE'S, UM, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE PARDES PROPERTY DOES GO UP TO THE BACK OF SOUTH PARK MEADOWS. 
          SO PARDON MAY HAVE AN ABILITY THERE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO SOUTH PARK MEADOWS. 
          BUT AS FAR AS THE, UM, PLANS, I'M NOT SURE IF ANYTHING IS SET IN STONE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY THIS PARTICULAR TRAIL IS TIER TWO. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT MEANS THAT IT'S NOT A PRIORITY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES ATD WISH TO SPEAK TO THAT? AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THE ATD PERSON IS, BUT, SO I'M SORRY TO JUST CALL YOU ATD PERSON. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. 
          HI, AMBER MITCHELL WAS TRYING TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS WENDY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS AMBER MITCHELL WITH THE AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS CORRECT. 
          THIS IS A PIER TWO TRAIL, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNFUNDED AND THERE ARE DEFINITELY SIDEWALK NEEDS TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO SOME OF THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY CENTERS IN THE AREA OUT OF OUR MITIGATION ASSESSMENT THAT WE'LL DO WITH THE SITE PLAN IN THE MIDDLE WILL BE TO LOOK AT SO TYPES OF ISSUES AND PRIORITIZE WHAT WE PERHAPS ASK FOR AN EASEMENT AND WHAT WE REQUEST FOR IN CONSTRUCTION WITH THE SITE PLAN, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A PRIORITY PRIORITY FOR ME IN TERMS OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S AN APARTMENT PEOPLE MIGHT BE WORKING OR WANT TO GO OVER TO THE AREA SO THAT WHERE IT DOESN'T LOOK SAFE TO BE WALKING RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I SEE COMMISSIONER KING HAS HIS HAND UP. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, AND YES, UH, I HAVE 
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A QUESTION FOR, UH, THE S THE APPLICANT ON THIS, UH, UH, IN, BEFORE I START, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I DO SEE THAT THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, DOES NEED SOME MORE HOUSING AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE IN OUR CITY IN GENERAL, BUT THIS AREA DOES. 
          UM, BUT, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO AKINS HIGH SCHOOL. 
          SO THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED WAS THAT THESE ARE GOING TO BE PRIMARILY, UH, TH THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UH, SOLELY ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS HERE. 
          AND SO I JUST, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY KIDS, HOW MANY FAMILIES WITH KIDS ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THERE AND BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          NEXT DOOR HERE. 
          SO, SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT. 
          UH, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT THAT AKINS HIGH SCHOOL IS SO CLOSE. 
          SO NEAR THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST NOT THERE YET OR FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO I WONDER IF YOU COULD MAYBE ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT COMMUNICATION HAVE YOU HAD WITH AKINS HIGH SCHOOL ABOUT THIS AND WITH THE, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE APARTMENTS WHO THEY'RE INTENDED FOR, AND THE IMPACT THAT THIS MIGHT HAVE ON, ON THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THERE WITH AKINS HIGH SCHOOL, PARTICULARLY, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS OPENED COMMUNICATIONS WITH AIKEN HIGH SCHOOL AT THIS POINT, UM, THE, THE PROJECT WILL BE LOW DENSITY AND IT WILL BE FOCUSED AT MARKET RATE. 
          UM, I DO KNOW THAT ALTHOUGH THE ROAD HAS NOT BEEN FUNDED FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THIS TIME FOR, UM, UNDER THE SMP, THEY WILL BE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, AND AS AMBER MITCHELL MENTIONED, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO HELP WITH, UM, WITH APPROPRIATE MOBILITY IN THIS AREA, THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING ACROSS THE ROAD HAVE BUILT OUT SIDEWALKS ALONG THEIR FRONTAGE THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE AIKEN ATHLETIC FIELDS. 
          UM, SO I THINK BOTH PROJECTS ARE WORKING TO, TO HELP WITH THOSE MOBILITY ISSUES ALONG SAN ANTONIO ROAD IN THOSE SAFETY ISSUES. 
          AND WE DO, WE DO PLAN TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP WITH THAT, UM, IN THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND WORKING ON THE TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS THE, UM, TRAFFIC MITIGATION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, THE, UH, I, I JUST WONDER, YOU KNOW, AS I UNDERSTAND THE AKINS CAMPUS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, IT MEETS TOMORROW NIGHT AND, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH THEM AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION ABOUT WORST-CASE SCENARIO PLANNING. 
          LET'S SAY THE LOW WATER CROSSING DOES FLED OUT, AND LET'S SAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          YOU HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS UP AND RUNNING. 
          AND W HOW, HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE COORDINATED FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS AND AN EXIT FROM THAT AREA WITH SUCH LIMITED TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE? AND I WOULD POINT OUT TO THAT STAFF EVEN SAID IN THE BACKUP THAT THIS PROJECT ONLY PARTIALLY SUPPORTS THE IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BASED ON POOR MOBILITY OPTIONS IN THE AREA. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE OF THOSE. 
          UM, WE'RE AWARE OF THE NEED FOR THE MOBILITY IN THIS AREA. 
          AND WE DO FEEL THAT THE PLANS THAT ARE COMING TO THIS AREA, THE, THE URBAN TRAIL THAT'S ALREADY PLANNED FOR IT, THE ASAP P PLANS FOR IMPROVING OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, WHEN FUNDING COMES IN PART THAT WE, BY BRINGING THIS PROJECT IN, WE'RE HOPEFULLY DOING OUR PART TO HELP ADVANCE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AND THOSE ANTICIPATIONS FOR THIS AREA. 
          AND OVER TIME, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN PLACE AT THE MOMENT, UM, BY BRINGING THE TRAFFIC INTO THE AREA AND BRINGING OUR PROJECT INTO THE AREA, WE CAN HELP TO MOVE THOSE PROJECTS ALONG AND IMPROVE THAT CONNECTIVITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE WILL ADVISE THE APPLICANT THAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS WORKING IS MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT GETTING IN FRONT OF THEM. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS FOR WATERSHED STAFF. 
          AND THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, AS I UNDERSTAND THESE LOW WATER CROSSINGS IN THE CITY ARE CATEGORIZED INTO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DANGER THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF RAIN, THEY FLOOD QUICKLY, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND I WONDER, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PARTICULAR LOW WATER ACROSS IS, IS HIGH ON THE LIST OF, UH, OF MOST DANGEROUS, LOW WATER CROSSINGS. 
          AND SO COULD, COULD Y'ALL, UH, COULD SOMEONE FROM WATERSHED ADDRESS THAT AND ALSO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE TO CLOSE THAT, UH, LOW WATER CROSSING, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT OUT AND OCCUPIED AND FOLKS HAVE TO EXIT ONLY TWO OUT SAN ANTONIO ROAD, TWO 16, 26, OR GO THROUGH AKINS HIGH SCHOOL. 
          I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF DISCUSSION HAS OCCURRED WITH REGARD TO THAT. 
          HELLO, THIS IS HENRY PRICE. 
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I'M AN ENGINEER WITH A WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT, AND I'M THE CURRENT PROJECT SPONSOR FOR THE LOW WATER CROSSING IMPROVEMENTS ON OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD. 
          SO TO SPEAK TO YOUR, UH, QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER KING, UM, IT IS A VERY HIGH RISK AT THE WATER CROSSING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES AND WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING A PROJECT THERE. 
          UH, WE FEEL THAT, UM, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT FLOOD RISK WHEN, AND WHEN IT DOES RAIN AND IT'S HARD TO PREDICT THAT. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PREVIOUSLY PURSUED, CLOSING THE ROAD OVER BASED ON INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE ROAD USERS. 
          AND THAT WAS KIND OF UNFAVORABLE AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, OUR CURRENT, UH, MODE OF OPERATION IS, UH, WE ARE VERY REACTIVE AT THE LAVAR CROSSINGS. 
          WE HAVE DEPARTMENT ON STAFF AND EQUIPMENT, WHETHER IT IS IN THE AREA. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE GET HOME, WE HAVE SOME, UH, SENSORS AND NOTIFICATION EQUIPMENT AT THE CROSSING THAT ALLOWS TO REACT AND CLOSE THE CROSSINGS, UH, WHEN IT BECOMES FLOODED OR INUNDATED, UM, AND IS UNSAFE TO PASS WITH A MOTORIZED VEHICLE. 
          UM, AND WE DO HAVE THESE ALL THROUGHOUT TOWN. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION. 
          UH, UH, COMMISSIONER KING, I THINK THE SECOND PART YOU ASKED WAS WHAT WOULD WE DO IN A FLOODING SITUATION? AND IF, UM, THE RESIDENTS OF THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE TRACK NEEDED TO, UH, VACATE THE AREA, HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN? UH, ONE THING WE DO KNOW, UM, THE NATURE OF FLASH FLOODING IN OUR AREA IS, UM, IT FLOODS REALLY FAST, BUT THEN IT ALSO DOESN'T STAY VERY LONG. 
          SO MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE DO ROAD CLOSURES, IT'S NOT FOUR DAYS OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN DURING MANY, IT GOES AS FASTLY AS IT COMES. 
          UM, SO, UM, IT, IT, THE LOCATION IS ON HIGH GROUND, UM, UNLESS IT WAS A FLOOD WITHOUT SOME OTHER KIND OF DISASTER THAT REQUIRED EVACUATION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE SAFE. 
          UM, UM, AND, AND THE AREA, ESPECIALLY IF THEY FOLLOWED THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES. 
          UM, SO WE HAD ANSWERS YOUR SECOND QUESTION. 
          I'LL FLAKE OUT THEM ALL, BUT, UM, LET ME KNOW IF I DIDN'T, WELL, THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME WITH ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE, THE MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHETHER TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT LOW WATER CROSSING NOW AND JUST, YOU KNOW, SHUT IT OFF. 
          UH, AND I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK YOU GOT FROM, FROM THE AFFECTED PARTIES THERE, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE NEAR TERM PLAN FOR THAT LOW WATER CROSSING TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT ASSUMPTION THAT WHAT IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT STAFF HAS MAKING THAT, THAT LOW WATER CROSSING WILL BE ENHANCED SO THAT KIDS CAN CROSS IT ON THEIR BICYCLES. 
          SO ARE GOING TO SOUTH PARK, UH, METALS THERE, OR, YOU KNOW, OR, OR USE IT TO GO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THAT LOW WATER CROSSING THE NEAR TERM AND THE LONGTERM PLAN FOR THAT INTER, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S BEEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE I FINISH HERE, THAT THERE'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR SO FOR EROSION CONTROL IN THE MEANTIME, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WE NEED EROSION CONTROL, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT MORE SAFE OR MORE, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE WHO NEED TO USE THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KING FOR THAT COMMENT. 
          SO OUR, OUR NEAR TERM PLAN FOCUSES SOLELY ON MAKING SURE THE ROAD, IT WILL NOT BE ANY MORE PASSABLE DURING A FLOOD EVENT AS A RESULT OF OUR PROJECT, UH, WHAT IT DOES ENHANCES OUR ABILITY, UH, TO, UH, SECURE THE ROAD WHEN IT'S FLOODED. 
          SO USERS WON'T BE ABLE TO USE IT, UM, AND THAT WE'LL ALSO HAVE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT ENCOURAGES INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE A GOOD CHOICE WHEN IT COMES TO THE LOW WATER CROSSING. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE DRIVEN ON THE ROAD, BUT IT'S A PRETTY NARROW ROAD. 
          AND IF YOU CAN GET A LITTLE WATER CROSSING AND NEEDED TO TURN AROUND, NOW, IT'S LIKE A FOUR POINT TURN, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE MIDDLE OF THE RAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE PUTTING AN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE DRIVER TO TURN AROUND AND GO FIND A SAFER ROUTE THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE LOW WATER CROSSING. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IS THE ROAD ANY MORE PASSABLE AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT MILLS, BUT IT DOES HELP US MITIGATE SOME OF THAT RISK BY NOT ALLOWING USERS TO USE THE ROAD WHEN IT'S NOT SAFE. 
          NOW, THE LONG-TERM PLAN IS, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE COULD BE USED TO PERMANENTLY CLOSE THE ROAD TO PUBLIC VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. 
          UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE SOME COORDINATION WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, ESPECIALLY AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, AND BASED ON, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          UH, WE WERE GOING TO, UM, WAIT UNTIL SOME OF THE OTHER TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREAS SUCH AS THE LIGHT AT 1626 AND OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, WHICH HAS BEEN RECENTLY COMPLETED. 
          AND THEN THE COMPLETION OF GRIZZLY LANE, WHICH WOULD CONNECT OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD, UH, TO THE IHI 35 SERVICE ROAD. 
          UM, AND THEN AT THAT TIME, WE'D KIND OF BRING 
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ALL THOSE STAKEHOLDERS BACK TOGETHER AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION AGAIN ABOUT IF THAT'S THE BEST APPROACH FOR US TO MITIGATE THE FLOOD SAFETY ISSUES ON THE ROAD, BY SHUTTING DOWN TO PUBLIC PUBLIC PARTICULAR TRAFFIC, UM, WITH THAT, IT WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, ENHANCE ANY OF THE, UH, FLOOD SAFETY ISSUES WITH PEDESTRIANS OR BIKE RIDERS TRYING TO USE THE ROAD WHEN IT'S FLOODED. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE HAVE NOTICED IS THAT'S, HASN'T BEEN A BIG ISSUE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY IN OUR CITY OF INDIVIDUALS BEING SWEPT OFF THE ROAD WHILE WALKING ON IT OR RIDING THEIR BIKE, IT'S MAINLY THE CURRICULAR TRAFFIC THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE. 
          AND, UH, DRIVERS COME UP TO A LOW WATER CROSSING AND, UH, DECIDE TO TRY TO PASS IT IN THEIR VEHICLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION AND THE WORK YOU ALL DO TO PROTECT OUR WATERSHEDS AND IN OUR ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YEAH, THANK YOU, HENRY PRICE. 
          AND ALSO I WANTED TO THANK AMBER MITCHELL FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          AND NEXT UP IS A COMMISSIONER DENTLER. 
          UM, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR MS. MITCHELL, IF SHE'S AVAILABLE. 
          UM, W UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES A DEDICATION OF RIGHT AWAY, CORRECT. 
          AND THEN, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE EXISTING TRAFFIC IS? I KIND OF LOOKED AT THE IT TABLES. 
          THIS WOULD PROBABLY ADD WHAT, UM, 110 TRIPS IS MY MATH. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, CAN YOU ANSWER THOSE THREE QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? YOU WANT TO TELL HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WOULD BE GENERATED BY OTHERS? YEAH. 
          UM, WHAT'S THE EXISTING TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD. 
          AND THEN WHAT DO YOU, WHAT'S YOUR ROUGH GUESSTIMATE ABOUT, UM, HOW MANY TRIPS WOULD BE GENERATED? IT'S A 0.5, SIX TIMES ONE 97, AND THEN WAS ROW INCLUDED IS PART OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY. 
          YEAH, RIGHT AWAY. 
          IT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR DEDICATION WHEN THE SITES FIRST TELL ME THE UNIT COUNT WAS I'M SORRY, 1007 AND LOW DENSITY APARTMENTS. 
          IT'S 0.5, SIX TIMES ONE, NINE, SEVEN. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT, BASED ON THAT MAP, I NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE IT, BUT, UM, IF YOU'RE CORRECT, IT'D PROBABLY BE ABOUT 110 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY. 
          SOUNDS A LITTLE LOW. 
          I WANT TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD. 
          SO FINAL QUESTION. 
          UM, WHEN THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, TRIP THE START CONSTRUCTING, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, WOULD YOU REQUIRE WHAT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT WE ASK THEM, NOT ASK THEM TO DO SIDEWALKS ON OLD SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND THEN WE FIND OUT LATER THE ROAD IS, IS CLOSED, GOTTA BE CLOSED. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY OPTION TO HAVE THEM, UH, MAKE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, UM, OUTSIDE OF THEIR BOUNDARY, UM, YOU KNOW, SAY ALONG, UM, SIDEWALKS ALONG, UM, SOUTH FIRST, UH, HOW ARE Y'ALL GOING TO COORDINATE THEIR, UH, REQUESTED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WITH, UH, MEETINGS ABOUT POSSIBLE CLOSURES? SO I IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE POTENTIAL CLOSURE IS, UM, NOT IN THE NEW YORK TIMES. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF REALLY DEPENDS ON TIMING. 
          AND WHEN THE SITE PLAN IS SUBMITTED, THAT BEING SAID, THE SITE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO THE CITY'S MITIGATION BOARDMAN TO PROVIDE MONIES AND OR CONSTRUCTION TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE MISSING BIKE PAD NETWORK THAT IS IN THE AREA. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WITH THE SITE PLAN, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE STREET CLOSURE IS IMMINENT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING FOR FUTURE CONNECTIONS TO THE TRAIL SYSTEMS, TO THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES IN THE AREA THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK AND BIKE TO SAFELY. 
          UH, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY ASK THE DEVELOPER TO CONTRIBUTE TO DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. 
          SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A LONG OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. 
          YOU COULD REQUIRE THE SIDEWALKS AND THE BIKE PASS, UM, IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, BUT NOT NECESSARILY AN OLD SAN ANTONIO ROAD. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          ABOUT A QUARTER TO HALF 
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A MILE IS WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO LOOK AT FROM AN ASSESSMENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          MY CONCERN IS WE JUST NOT LOSE THE ABILITY TO CAPTURE THAT FUNDING IF THE ROAD IS, UH, CLAW, UH, CLOSED LATER. 
          THANKS MS. MITCHELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT IS COMMISSIONER SMITH, AND I'M GOING TO STEP AWAY FOR A SECOND TO TURN ON SOME MORE LIGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MINE'S MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION. 
          I THINK, I THINK THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO HELP DRIVE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENT THAT NEED TO BE DONE. 
          TOTALLY. 
          I, I DRIVE TO BROADWAY ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          IT NEEDS TO HAVE A LOW WATER CROSSING WARNING IF NOTHING THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK HAVING THIS PROJECT IN PLACE IS GOING TO HELP DRIVE SOME OF THE SAFETY FOR ME TO GO IN BY TALKING TO STAFF AND TO ADVERTISE WITH THEM ANOTHER NIGHT, ONCE THIS GETS STARTED DRY, SOME OF THEM FOR THE THIRD YEAR IN THIS AREA, THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          OKAY. 
          OOPS. 
          I GOT TO HIT THE VIDEO. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN NEXT IS COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, FUCK. 
          COMMISSIONER SMITH. 
          MORE OF A COMMENT. 
          I UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE A GOOD CREATIVE INTERIM SOLUTION IS ONE WHO LIVES A STONE'S THROW FROM GLOBAL AND ACROSS THE SPICEWOOD SPRINGS ROAD. 
          I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS ARE THOSE MISLED DRIVERS WHO TAKE THE ROAD AND THEN CAN'T TURN AROUND. 
          SO TURN AROUND. 
          DON'T DROWN. 
          DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 
          SO THIS SOLUTION THAT I THINK WAS DESCRIBED EARLIER ABOUT PROVIDING THAT AROUND A CERTAIN WAY AS THEY STEP FORWARD AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THE WATER CROSSINGS, WE'D GOTTEN THIS TOWN AND THE, UH, AND THE WEATHER CONDITIONS AND RE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE ALL THAT ANYHOW. 
          SO WE JUST HAVE TO TRY TO DO IT. 
          NOW. 
          THE OTHER THING, I DON'T KNOW IF I FOLLOWED IT RIGHT, BUT THE DISCUSSION OF, OF, UH, TRANSIT ACCESS TO THIS AREA, UH, AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION THAT'S BECAUSE THIS IS A HIGH GROWTH NORTH, SOUTH CORRIDOR. 
          IT'S NEAR A HIGH SCHOOL. 
          THAT'S NEAR ONE OF MY MAJOR, UH, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS. 
          UH, AND WE'RE PUTTING IN DENSITY. 
          AND I WOULD THINK THAT, UH, CAP METRO, UH, MIGHT FIND A BUS TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. 
          SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT I, I, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD WEIGH HEAVILY UPON WHETHER OR NOT WE DO THIS SEEMS TO BE ADEQUATE TO USE, UH, UH, UH, WE SEEM TO BE, UH, THE MAIN, MAIN ISSUE I SEE ARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, TO THE WATERWAY. 
          AND, UH, IT, WE'RE DOING THIS ABOUT AS GOOD AS WE CAN ON THAT. 
          SO I, UH, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU STAFF, THANK YOU FOR SOLVING THE PROBLEM AND ADDING SOME MORE HOUSING THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED. 
          BYE-BYE GREAT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE COMMISSIONER, UH, GARY, UM, COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER DUNKIN MADE MAINLY A COMMENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, ATD STAFF WERE AWARE BACK IN 2018. 
          I BELIEVE THERE WERE TWO STUDENTS FROM A CONCISE SCHOOL THAT WERE STRUCK. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY SERIOUS, BUT AGAIN, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE W YOU KNOW, ATD BE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS CHECKING WITH THE SCHOOL. 
          I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KEY IN THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME COLLABORATION, UH, SPECIFIC TO STUDENT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ROAD IS SAFE FOR THE STUDENTS BECAUSE IT'S MAINTENANCE, IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE. 
          SO JUST WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS THEN, UM, IS THERE A MOTION COMMISSIONER? DANCLER, YOU'RE ON MUTE, SORRY. 
          I NEVER KNOW WHICH BUTTON I AM MOVING STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, IT IS I'M, UH, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE HESITATION ON THE PART OF SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE'RE ADDING, UM, UNITS TO A SUBSTANDARD ROAD, UM, THAT HAS FLOODED, BUT THEY'VE DONE THE RIGHT THINGS THEY NEED TO DO TO ENSURE THE SAFETY, THE ACCESS WILL BE TAKEN. 
          I THINK THE ACCESS WILL GO THROUGH. 
          UH, SO, UM, I'M GOING TO MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
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IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. 
          I DID ALL THAT ON MUTE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A US, AND THEY'RE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONER KING IS TRYING TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU, KARA. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DO APPRECIATE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THIS CASE. 
          I DO, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY AND LIVES OF PEOPLE AND FAMILIES, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT. 
          SO I DO APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL TIME, AND I DO APPRECIATE STAFF GETTING THAT INFORMATION TO US. 
          NEVERTHELESS, I JUST, I'M JUST TORN ABOUT THE LACK OF TRANSIT INFRASTRUCTURE HERE. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LIKE WE ALWAYS GET INTO THE SITUATION WHERE YOU APPROVE THESE ZONING CASES, AND THEN WE GET MORE WORST TRAFFIC CONGESTION. 
          WE GET BECAUSE OF THE TRENDS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS NEVER KEEP UP, NEVER KEEP UP. 
          AND THEY'RE ALWAYS BEHIND SCHEDULE, AND I'M NOT CRITICIZING STAFF. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A STAFF ISSUE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THERE'S FUNDING ISSUES. 
          THERE ARE MANY ISSUES ABOUT THIS. 
          SO I I'M JUST UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SUPPORTING THIS. 
          AND, AND THE LACK OF IT'S, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE HAS NOT REALLY BEEN ANY COORDINATION OR COMMUNICATION WITH AKINS HIGH SCHOOL AND FROM MANY PERSPECTIVES HERE, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, FROM A HOUSING PERSPECTIVE, BUT THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND OF COURSE FROM THE TRANSIT PERSPECTIVE AND THE SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS, THIS MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND IF ANYBODY ELSE, AND IF NOT, UM, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY UNLESS COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK OR COMMISSIONER DANGLER, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE LEFTOVERS. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          AND THAT IS COMMISSIONED ME. 
          UH, KOBASA COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER DANCLER COMMISSIONER, RAY COMMISSIONER, OR CLOSE TO VICE-CHAIR BURWELL, RAMIREZ, COMMISSIONER BRAY, AND COMMISSIONER EVANS, ALL THOSE OPPOSED, AND THAT IS COMMISSIONER KING. 
          AND SO THE MOTION PASSES 10 TO ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KING FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS AND YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THEN ON THE AGENDA IS THE, WHAT 
          [Items B8 & B9]
WE WILL CALL THE SAMSUNG CASE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS AFTER WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT OUT OF ORDER. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE THE CASE MANAGER FOR IS, UM, SHERRY SUEDE IS, ARE YOU HERE FOR EIGHT AND NINE? GOOD EVENING KIELBASA. 
          IF I MAY, I'M GOING TO LEAD THE MEETING IN, I WILL WAIT FOR AN EMAIL FROM ANDREW TO JOIN THE MEETING. 
          THE COMMISSION HAS TAKEN NEXT MONTH. 
          IT'S CASES FOR ITEMS, EIGHT ITEMS, EIGHT AND NINE. 
          UM, UM, I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE MY SON IS AN EMPLOYEE OF SAMSUNG. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, I'LL DO THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SHERRY, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THERE'S THIS SHERIFFS OR WAY TO PUT THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT? WE'RE ON ITEM B EIGHT, WHICH IS CASEY 14, 2020 ZERO ONE 11, SAMSUNG REZONING TRACT ONE AND PRAC THREE DASH ONE. 
          THIS IS LOCATED AT 32 15 EAST PARMER LANE. 
          THE REQUEST IS FROM PUD TO L A ZONING IN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO LA TVA ZONING TO CREATE A NEW PDA AREA THAT WILL PROVIDE FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE SAMSUNG AUSTIN SEMICONDUCTOR CAMPUS. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING PVA CONDITIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT WILL MIRROR THE USES SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS AND SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE ORIGINAL SAMSUNG PDA SITE. 
          THE STAFF RECOMMENDS L I A LIMITED INDUSTRIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT AREA, COMBINING DISTRICT ZONING WITH CONDITIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO THE PROPERTY IN IS COMPRISED OF TWO END DEVELOPED TRACKS OF LAND THAT ARE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF EAST PARMER LANE AND SAMSUNG BOULEVARD. 
          THIS 95.98 ACRE SITE IS TO THE EAST OF THE SAMSUNG SEMICONDUCTOR INDUSTRIAL CAMPUS ACROSS SAMSUNG BOULEVARD SURROUNDING LAND USES ARE IN THE PIONEER CROSSING PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT INCLUDE UNDEVELOPED TRACKS OF LAND DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST. 
          THERE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FURTHER TO THE SOUTH. 
          IN THIS REQUEST. 
          THE APPLICANT IS CREATE IS 
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REQUESTING TO REMOVE LAND FROM THE PIONEER CROSSING TUD, SPECIFICALLY PARCELS EAST SEVEN AND EIGHT, WHICH ARE DESIGNATED AS IT IN THE PUD AND PARCEL E NINE, WHICH IS DESIGNATED AS  TO REZONE IT TO LAPD, TO CREATE A NEW PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREA. 
          I'M SORRY, PDA. 
          THAT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING OF THE EXISTING STANCE ON CAMPUS TO PROPOSE PDA AGREEMENT OR REFLECT ALMOST THE SAME CONDITIONS APPROVED ON THE CURRENT SAMSUNG AUSTIN SEMICONDUCTOR SITE. 
          THE BASIS OF THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS. 
          THE PROPOSED ZONING SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE STATEMENT AS THE DISTRICT SOUGHT, THE REZONING SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES AND PRINCIPLES ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND OR LAND USE COMMISSION. 
          THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR LAPD ZONING. 
          IF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON AN ARCHER OLD ROADWAY, EAST PARMER LANE, WHICH IS A DESIGNATED ACTIVITY CORNER AS SHOWN IN THE IMAGINE OFTEN. 
          SO CONCEPT MAP AND ADDITION THE SITE UNDER CONSIDERATION IS APPROXIMATELY 0.8, ONE OF A MILE FROM HARRIS BRANCH NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, AS IDENTIFIED IN THE IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEN IT SHOULD ALLOW FOR A REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE NOT IMMINENT PLANS FOR EXPANSION AT THIS TIME, THE PROPOSED LAPD IS ZONING WILL PERMIT THE APPLICANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH CIVIC, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SAMSUNG AUSTIN SEMICONDUCTOR PLANT TO THE WEST. 
          SO A LOT FOR THE TEACHER CREATION OF NEW JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS AREA OF THE CITY AND, UH, THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AGREES WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHERRY. 
          AND THEN I BELIEVE, UH, SIGN UP TO SPEAK IS THE APPLICANT DAVE ANDERSON, DAVE, I KNOW I'VE, I'VE HEARD A RUMOR. 
          WELL, I'VE, UH, ANDREW TOLD ME THAT YOU ARE EMAILED ME JUST NOW THAT YOU'RE ONLINE. 
          SO GO AHEAD AND YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES AND STEVE DRAENOR IS ALSO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          HELLO, COMMISSIONER. 
          HELLO? HELLO. 
          HI, WE CAN YOU OKAY. 
          VERY WELL. 
          HI, MY NAME IS DAVE ANDERSON. 
          I, UH, I WENT TO VENDOR GROUP AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, SAMSUNG, SAMSUNG, AUSTIN SEMICONDUCTOR. 
          UM, MY PRESENTATION IS GEARED TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, BOTH THIS CASE AND THE SUBSEQUENT CASE THAT ARE ALL RELATED. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND SLIDE ON THE DECK, UH, YOU WILL SEE KIND OF AN OVERALL, UH, SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UH, SAMSUNG AUSTIN SEMICONDUCTOR, UH, IS, IS, UH, AS A CHOIR TO THESE PROPERTIES, UH, AND IS LOOKING TO REZONE THEM AS KIND OF PART OF NORMAL BUSINESS OPERATIONS TO REMAIN FLEXIBLE IN THEIR USE OF THE LAND. 
          UM, THEY'VE BASICALLY FILED HIS OWN THE APPLICATION FOR LONG-TERM PLANNING PURPOSES. 
          UM, AND THAT'S REALLY IT. 
          UNLIKE YOUR PREVIOUS CASE, THERE'S NOT IMMINENT DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NO PLANS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT, UM, FOR USE OTHER OF THIS, OF THIS LAND. 
          SO INTENSIVE FOR LONGTERM PLANNING PROP, UH, PURPOSES. 
          NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL LAY OUT THE SURROUNDING ZONING THAT MR. WEI THAT'S REFERENCED, UH, THE PIONEER CROSSING PUDS ZONING. 
          IT BASICALLY ENCOMPASSES THE EXISTING SAMSUNG AUSTIN SEMICONDUCTOR CAMPUS ON ALL SIDES. 
          OUR DESIRE IS TO REZONE THOSE FROM P U D TWO L I P D A, UH, TO, TO, UH, TO MATCH THE USES THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE SITE AND EXISTING ZONING SINCE 1996. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, AGAIN, A SUMMARY OF JUST WHAT I WENT OVER, UM, DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ADD THERE. 
          NEXT SLIDE IS THE ZONING SUMMARY SLIDE. 
          AND AGAIN, THESE WILL BE APPLICABLE TO BOTH THIS CASE AND THEN SUBSEQUENT CASE, BUT MR. WEIGHTLESS WILL STILL PRESENT, UM, FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING USES. 
          IT'S, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, LIMITED INDUSTRIAL BASED DISTRICT USES IN THE PUD. 
          UH, AND THE INDUSTRIAL PARK BASED USES, UH, LISTED IN THE PUD, 
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THE SITES THAT, UH, EIGHTH OF A MILE FROM THE HAIRSPRING NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IT'S ON, AND IMAGINE AUSTIN CORRIDOR IT'S ON PARMER LANE, WHICH HAS SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY STILL FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, THE SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT ARE APPLICABLE IS CURRENT CODE FROM AN IMPERVIOUS COVER WATER QUALITY DETENTION PERSPECTIVE. 
          THE HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING PDS ZONING FULLY PARKED ON THE SITE, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO DEVELOPMENT PLANS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE TRACKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPED. 
          THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE TRAFFIC LOADING, UH, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, UH, IF THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PROCESS AND BE APPROVED BY STAFF, UH, AND, UM, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT NOISE AS WELL. 
          THERE'S SPECIFIC PROVISIONS IN THE, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, PORTION OF, OF THE ORDINANCE THAT, UH, ADDRESS NOISE CONCERNS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, THIS IS JUST, UH, CAPTURING A FEW OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING, UH, PRINCE CITY BOSTON'S ZONING PRINCIPLES THAT STAFF COMPARES, UH, ZONING REQUESTS TO, UH, AND AS YOU CAN, YOU CAN READ THESE FOR YOURSELVES, BUT, UH, WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE REQUESTED REZONING, UH, MATCHES, UH, THE CITY'S ZONING PRINCIPLES. 
          SO THAT'S OUR REQUESTS AGAIN, UH, THIS APPLICABLE TO BOTH THE CURRENT, UH, CASE THAT MR. WADE IS READ INTO THE RECORD, AS WELL AS THE SUBSEQUENT CASE THAT YOU WILL HEAR SHORTLY, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          AND I REALIZE MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE JUST TAKEN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I'D ASK ANDREW, BUT WE CAN JUST TAKE B EIGHT AND B NINE AS ONE CASE AND DO ONE VOTE WITH IT AND ONE PRESENTATION. 
          SO WE'LL HANDLE IT THAT WAY. 
          AND SO, UM, SO SAYING THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD, UM, DAVE, TO YOUR PRESENTATION TO COVER BENIGN OR, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER. 
          THERE'S A MADAM CHAIR, EXCUSE ME. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THAT I NEED TO ADD, UH, THAT SPECIFIC THE OTHER CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN, UM, AS STEVE DRAENOR IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, DOES, UM, D W DOES HE WISH TO SPEAK AND THAT'S OKAY IF HE DOESN'T, UM, REMINDERS. 
          I JUST, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE KNOWS THAT HE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND WE CAN TAKE HIM NOW, BUT, UM, HE CAN ALWAYS DO, UH, WE'LL WAIT FOR HIM, DAVE, IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK FOR A SECOND. 
          YES. 
          UH, THERE, I'M GOING TO, UH, IT MAY BE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, SO I'M GOING TO SEND HIM A TEXT REAL QUICK AND TELL THEM ABOUT THE STAR STICKS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FAIR. 
          AND, UM, WE'LL WAIT FOR HIM. 
          WE TRY TO PROVIDE THAT COURTESY FOR EVERYBODY. 
          IF HE'S A MADAM CHAIR, IF HE'S NOT ABLE TO, UH, JOIN, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE ADDS SPECIFIC COMMENTS, UH, BUT IT WAS, UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE HIMSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT YOU OR OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAD TO. 
          SO I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON TRYING TO GET HIM ACCESS. 
          YES. 
          AND HE CAN ALSO SPEAK DURING THE REBUTTAL. 
          UM, SO WE, WE CAN, UM, IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK AND HE CAN ALSO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. 
          SO, UM, SO WE THEN HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND OPPOSITIONS AND THERE'LL BE A JOSEPH AND SAY, NO SHIT. 
          ARE WE GOING TO GO AHEAD? MR. JENNER IS AVAILABLE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY, MR. GRAINER PLEASE. 
          UM, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND THANK YOU FOR PERSEVERING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I HOPE THAT, UH, I, UH, I DO THINK 
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I DID WANT TO KNOW THAT I'M AVAILABLE TO HELP WITH QUESTIONS, IF ANY, OR, UH, IF I NEED TO LIKE, OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          NO, THANK YOU. 
          AND AS AN OPIATE, JOSEPH, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS. 
          I'M ZENOBIA JOSEPH. 
          MY COMMENTS ARE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE BASIS OF RECOMMENDATION WHILE I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE USES MIRROR PREVIOUS, UH, LIMITED INDUSTRIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS STATED PREVIOUSLY. 
          AND I DID LOOK AT THE 2019 BOARD PACKET TO SEE, UM, WHAT THE CASE ENTAILED. 
          UH, THE REASON THAT I'M HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH, UH, THE STAFF'S BASIS OF RECOMMENDATIONS IS BECAUSE TWO OF THE THREE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ACTUALLY RELY ON TRANSIT. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER TWO, IT SPECIFIES ACTIVITY CORRIDOR. 
          AND WHILE IT IS TRUE THAT PALMER F M 73, FOUR IS AN ACTIVITY CORRIDOR. 
          IT IS NOT WALKABLE BIKEABLE CONNECTED. 
          UM, AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT ONE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, THE STAFF REPORT ACTUALLY SPECIFIES THE MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY OPTIONS IN THIS AREA OR BELOW AVERAGE. 
          AND SO WHAT I WOULD CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION IS THAT IT IS A THREE MILE WALK, UH, TO SAMSUNG. 
          UM, AND ANECDOTALLY, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN NAMED KEVIN HUFF THAT WALKS THAT THREE MILES. 
          UH, IT'S A BLACK MAN. 
          SO I DO KNOW THAT INDIVIDUALS ACTUALLY, WHO ARE TRANSIT DEPENDENT WALKS, I WOULD ALSO CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT PROJECT CONNECT ACTUALLY ELIMINATED THE THREE METRO RAPID LINES, UH, IN NORTHEAST AUSTIN, SPECIFICALLY THE LINE THAT WOULD HAVE, UH, TRAVELED EAST WEST ON PALMER LANE. 
          SO THERE IS NO TRANSIT THAT'S COMING THAT WAY. 
          UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD CALL IT TO YOUR ATTENTION IS THAT WHILE THE USE IS ON PAGE 22 SPECIFY, UM, ALL THAT ARE ENCOMPASSED WITHIN LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT PERHAPS SCRAP AND SALVAGE SERVICES, AND MAYBE KENNELS WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. 
          THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 5,500 APARTMENT UNITS WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS OF SAMSUNG. 
          2,200 WILL BE ACROSS THE STREET, BASICALLY OVER AT EAST VILLAGE, WHICH IS A 425 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT IS THE GENESIS OF MY OPPOSITION IS JUST SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT YOU WILL HAVE MOVING FORWARD. 
          ANYTIME YOU HAVE A CASE THAT'S IN FAR NORTHEAST AUSTIN, BECAUSE THERE IS NO TRANSIT. 
          AND WHILE I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T FORCE SAMSUNG TO PROVIDE, UH, UBER PASS OR LYFT PASS, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO AT LEAST ASK THE QUESTION. 
          IF THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME WAY FOR TRANSIT DEPENDENT RIDERS TO GET TO THEIR SITE. 
          THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE SAMSUNG IS A MEMBER OF MOVABILITY, WHICH IS A FIVE OH ONE SIX, UM, FIVE OH ONE C SIX ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS EXCLUSIONARY. 
          AND THEY ACTUALLY PAY MEMBERSHIP TO GET, UH, OPTIONS FOR THE COMMUTERS. 
          SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE RECEIVED $65 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAX REBATES OVER THE PAST DECADE, I THINK THIS IS A SMALL WAY FOR THEM TO GIVE THE TAX AS A RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT. 
          AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT THEY'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND THAT THEY DO GOOD WORK, BUT UNFORTUNATELY MANY OF THE MINORITIES ARE NOT ABLE TO GET TO THE SITE. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL GLADLY ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME. 
          AND I DID SEND YOU A SCHEMATIC AND AN UPDATE OF MY TESTIMONY. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL ANSWER THEM. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SYNOVIA. 
          AND, UM, DAVE ANDERSON AND, UH, STEVE DRAENOR, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL SOLICITORS. 
          THIS IS DAVE ANDERSON. 
          WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS VERY MUCH APPRECIATE, UH, WHERE WAS JOSEPH IS COMING FROM? UM, WE REALIZED THAT, UH, THIS FACILITY IS ON AN ACTIVITY CORRIDOR, UH, AND, UM, JUST SIMILAR TO THE LAST CASE, UM, CAPITAL METRO HAS YET TO SERVE THE PARMER LANE CORRIDOR AT THIS FAR EAST. 
          THERE ARE IN THE FUTURE, UM, PLANNED, UM, MULTIFAMILY AND RESIDENT POTENTIAL UNITS IS AS PART OF, AS PART OF THE PIONEER CROSSING PUD. 
          IT 
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IS, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR KAT METRO, BUT THERE WILL BE, UM, THERE WILL BE SOME PUSH TO PROVIDE CAPITAL METRO BUS SERVICE ON, IN THIS AREA AS THE AREA DEVELOPS. 
          UM, THE CLOSEST BUS STOP CURRENTLY, UH, IS ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF TO THE WEST. 
          IT'S A LOCAL ROUTE, UM, UH, THREE 92 AT JAEGER AT TOMPKINS. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WHILE PROJECT CONNECT ELIMINATED THE PALMER LANE CORRIDOR FOR, UH, THE NEAR TERM FUNDING, IT IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS, UH, AN AREA FOR A POTENTIAL FUTURE EXPANSE EXPANSION FOR METRO RAPID. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A RECOGNITION BY CAP METRO THAT THIS AREA IS DEVELOPING AND, UM, MAY NEED THAT SERVICE IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK I WILL CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS THERE AND AGAIN, MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE MR. JENNER AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE TO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAVE. 
          AND NOW, UM, IF WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION, UH, RAISED BY COMMISSIONER DANGLER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BRAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER EVANS AND COMMISSIONER SMITH. 
          UH, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          AND I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE LITTLE ICONS AND IT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONER DANCLER. 
          I'VE GOT YOUR, YOU'VE RAISED YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT'S A QUICK QUESTION FOR ONE QUESTION FOR MS. SERRATUS. 
          ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, MR. WADE HAS HAD A, WE ENSURE THAT THEY AMEND THE PIONEER CROSSING POD TO A LAND USE MAP TO EXCLUDE THIS AREA. 
          IF THE ZONING GOES THROUGH, ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT IN A PUBLIC RC RC, IF THIS OWNING GOES THROUGH, AND THEN MY QUESTION OF, UM, MR. ANDERSON OR MR. DRAENOR IS I NOTICED YOU WERE, WERE, UH, MEASURING SOUND BY A CERTAIN MEANS. 
          IS THAT THE WAY WE DO IT CURRENTLY, IF THAT'S NOT HOW WE DO IT CURRENTLY, HOW IS IT DIFFERENT, UM, THAN CURRENT MEASUREMENTS? UM, THAT JUST KIND OF STRUCK ME THAT, WOW, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS KIND OF MEASUREMENT. 
          SO IT'S JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS, UH, THE DEFERRAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE PIONEER CROSSING PD WILL BE ADDRESSED AT CITY COUNCIL AND THE QUITE FRENCH STAFF TO HAVE THE CITY INITIATE A REMOVAL OF THIS LAND AREA FROM THE PED LAND USE PLAN, SO THAT IT IS NOW AS PART OF THE PDA, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          CLAIRE. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SAME THAT THE PUD ISSUE, WHERE WE DEALT WITH AT THE COUNCIL, I HAVE PERSONALLY, UH, CITY STAFF THAT WE WILL WORK WITH, UM, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, POD FOLKS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THEIR TABLES ARE UPDATED ACCORDINGLY. 
          AND SO, HOWEVER, THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO THAT. 
          WE ARE VERY AMENABLE, UM, TO, UM, TO MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THAT TURNS OUT AS IT SHOULD. 
          UM, SO AS FAR AS SOUND GOES, THE CURRENT MEASUREMENTS, UH, LISTED IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU REFERENCED OR THAT I REFERENCED IN MY, MY PRESENTATION ARE HOW SOUND IS CURRENTLY MEASURED ON THE SITE TODAY. 
          SO THERE'S NO CHANGES PROPOSED, UH, SAMSUNG AUSTIN SEMICONDUCTOR DOES HAVE AN ACTIVE SOUND MONITORING SYSTEM. 
          THAT'S 24 SEVEN ONLINE TO, UH, EVALUATE COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE, UM, WITH THOSE REGULATIONS. 
          UH, AND THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLYING WITH THAT, UH, WITH THOSE SOUND, UH, REGULATIONS AS LISTED IN, IN THE DOCUMENT SINCE 1996. 
          SO THAT'S, IT'S A METHODOLOGY THAT THEY USE CONSISTENTLY. 
          THEY HAVE 24 SEVEN, UH, SOUND MONITORING TO MAKE SURE THAT, TO ENSURE 
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THAT THEY ARE COMPLIANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, DAVE. 
          AND, UM, THEN I SEE THE COMMISSIONER KING HAS RAISED HIS HAND. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          AND, UM, JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF ON THIS, UH, THEY PUT AMENDMENT, UH, CAN, IS, IT CAN, CAN, THIS IS ONLY IN PLANNING COMMISSION CONDITION, OUR APPROVAL FOR THE ZONING CHANGE, UH, UH, ON THE PEDIMENT BEING APPROVED. 
          CAN WE MAKE THAT AS A CONDITION? SO THEY'RE KIND OF TIED TOGETHER. 
          COMMISSIONER CAN, YOU CANNOT MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THE ZONING BEING APPROVED, BUT YOU COULD MAKE IT A RECOMMENDATION THAT A STONING CASE BE INITIATED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WADE. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU, FERRY IN, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, THE, UM, I, I GUESS THIS IS FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, UH, EACH OF YOU CAN TAKE A GUESS A CHANCE AT IT OR A RESPONSE TO IT. 
          AND MY, UH, Y'ALL MAY RECALL THAT RECENTLY THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A PLAN FOR, UM, A, UH, COMPREHENSIVE LONG RANGE PLAN FOR THE EASTERN CHRIS AND, AND THIS, THIS SITE IS IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT. 
          AND SO I KNOW THAT THAT LONG RANGE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING IS, IS, IS JUST NOW GETTING UNDERWAY. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE START REFERENCING THAT WHEN WE HAVE THESE CASES COMING THROUGH FOR THIS AREA OF OUR CITY AND WHY I'M SAYING THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR, FOR US TO KNOW, IS ZAP HERE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, HOW THESE ZONING, THESE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES, UH, UH, COMPORT WITH THAT COMPREHENSIVE LONG RANGE PLAN FOR THE EASTERN CRESCENT. 
          AND, UH, TO THAT END, I COULD, I COULD ANTICIPATE THAT THAT WHAT WE MIGHT COME FROM THAT LONG RANGE PLANNING IS SOME, SOME PRIORITIES FOR EQUITY AND, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF JOBS AND SERVICES AND HOUSING IN, IN, IN, IN. 
          SO I, THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT WE REALLY, UH, MAKE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THESE INDIVIDUAL CASES IN THIS LONG RANGE PLANNING EFFORT. 
          THAT'S GETTING UNDERWAY FOR THE EASTERN CRESCENT. 
          THAT'S ONE THING. 
          SO GOOD STAFF RESPOND TO THAT. 
          HOW WOULD THIS CASE AND OTHER CASES, OR, YOU KNOW, JUST PROBABLE CASES LIKE THIS BE, BE HANDLED IN CONTEXT OF THE LONG RANGE, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT TO BE UNDERWAY FOR THE EASTERN CRESCENT. 
          SO COMMISSIONER KING, AS IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE, WE CAN'T ADDRESS IT AT THIS POINT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT DIDN'T REALLY, I MENTIONED THAT. 
          I SAID, IT'S JUST NOW GETTING STARTED. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THIS CAME UP BEFORE THAT PROCESS EVEN WAS, YOU KNOW, APPROVED BY COUNCIL. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO, I UNDERSTAND THIS ONE, HASN'T GONE THROUGH THAT, BUT, BUT I'M JUST GOING FORWARD. 
          HOW, IN CASES LIKE THIS, AND YOU KNOW, HOW WILL STAFF, UH, DEAL WITH CASES THAT COME UP IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT AND AS IT RELATES TO THE CONFERENCE? WELL, HEY, WHY NOT? I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY REFOCUS THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE CASE, SPECIFICALLY THE SAMSUNG CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          I GOT MY POINT OUT THERE AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED. 
          THANK YOU, DEAR. 
          AND, UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE, THE SAMSUNG CASE HERE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SOME, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER JOBS AND, AND SIR, UH, I GUESS, BUSINESSES AND SERVICES, UH, IN THAT AREA. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS HOW, WHAT IS THE PLAN TO ENSURE THAT THOSE JOBS AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE CREATED THERE ARE GOING TO BE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S THERE NOW THAT LIVES NEARBY. 
          THAT'S THERE NOW? WHAT, HOW ARE WE GONNA, I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. 
          COMMISSIONER KING, MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS IT. 
          YES, NO, I WAS EXPECTING, OKAY, THANK YOU, DAVID OR DAVE, YOU BET. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER KING, GREAT POINT. 
          UH, AT THIS POINT THERE ARE NOT SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          WE ARE SIMPLY TRYING, UH, TO, UM, FROM A LONG RANGE PERSPECTIVE, GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. 
          UM, THE ACQUISITION OF THE LAND WAS PART OF NORMAL BUSINESS OPERATION. 
          SO WE CAN'T SIT HERE TODAY AND TELL YOU THAT THERE WILL BE ANYTHING THAT OCCURS ON THOSE PROPERTIES IN, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND THE LONG-TERM FUTURE. 
          UM, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET THESE PROPERTIES ZONED IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, UM, FROM A LONG-TERM PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO I, 
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I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE NO IDEA IF, IF, UM, WHAT COULD, WHAT, WHAT MAY HAPPEN ON THESE TRACKS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I, AGAIN, I'VE GOT MY POINT ABOUT THAT AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I WONDER IF, UH, YOU AND MAYBE STAFF ALSO COULD, COULD DELINEATE THE DIFFERENCE IN CONDITIONS THAT EXIST UNDER THE PUD ZONING VERSUS THE CONDITIONS THAT WILL EXIST UNDER THE LAPD, A ZONING. 
          I COULD NOT DELINEATE THE DIFFERENCES. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE MINOR DIFFERENCES OR JUST A FEW DIFFERENCES. 
          CAN SOMEBODY POINT OUT WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES ARE? COMMISSIONER, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT THESE ATTRACTS ARE DESIGNATED AT AS AN, IN THE PUD, WHICH ACTUALLY THESE PARCELS ARE DESIGNATED FOR L I AND IP USES. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PARK USES IN THE PUD. 
          AND SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO ZONE THEM LOI LIMITED INDUSTRIAL WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AREA. 
          SO IT'S CONSISTENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT HELPS ME OUT A LOT. 
          I, I, THIS IS COMPLICATED. 
          I, I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFFING AND THE APPLICANT AND THE DEVELOPERS GOING, WORKING THROUGH THIS. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED STUFF HERE. 
          SO, UH, ME BEING A NOVICE AT THIS, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T COME NATURALLY TO ME. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT. 
          WHAT MAY BE AS SIMPLE QUESTION FOR ME FOR Y'ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UM, ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? I DON'T SEE ANY MORE LITTLE HANDS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER KARA, DID YOU SAY COMMISSIONER? DANCLER? I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT THAT. 
          WHO YOU, YES. 
          OH, COMMISSIONER DANGLER. 
          DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK AND IF NOT, AND YOU'VE GOT TO UNMUTE YOURSELF WAS A IT, I APOLOGIZE. 
          UH, I'LL GET IT RIGHT INTO THE MEETING. 
          I PROMISE. 
          UM, IF THERE WEREN'T ANY MORE QUESTIONS I WAS READY, UH, TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, AND RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THAT THEY INITIATE, UH, THE PUD, UM, AMENDMENT, UH, REZONING FOR THE PILOT AMENDMENT ON THE PIONEER CROSSING, UM, TABLES AND LDP. 
          UH, BUT I, UH, I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          YOU'RE STILL NEAR DRILLING CONTAGIOUS. 
          I KNOW. 
          NO. 
          AND I WAS TRYING TO MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DANGLER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, UH, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND TO RECOMMEND INITIATION OF THE PUT AMENDMENT AND MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT. 
          UM, I DO THINK THAT THE COMMISSIONER, UM, KING WAS MAKING A GOOD POINT. 
          WE ARE CHANGING FROM, UH, WHICH REQUIRES, UH, ELEMENTS OF SUPERIORITY TO A PDA. 
          AND, UM, MY THOUGHT, AND I THOUGHT THIS IS IMPORTANT. 
          WE NEED THE JOBS. 
          WE NEED TO LOCK DOWN THE ZONING. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE POKES GOING THROUGH AN EXTENDED PUD PROCESS, BUT THEN I HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT A 1996, UM, PAT ORDINANCE AND PDAS ARE SOMEWHAT NEGOTIATED TOO, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER KING, THEY ARE GOING TO BE COMPLYING WITH CURRENT WATERSHED ORDINANCES, NOT THE WATERSHED ORDINANCES THAT WERE IN PLACE 24 YEARS AGO. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL IF STAFF DID A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE BACKUP, UH, TO THAT EFFECT. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          WE GET THIS LOCKED DOWN RATHER THAN GET IT, UM, NEGOTIATED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND THIS COULD BECOME THE BASIS FOR SOME OF THE PLANNING IN THE AREA. 
          AND AS TO MS. JOSEPH'S COMMENTS. 
          UM, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IF A TIA WOULD REQUIRE THEM POSSIBLY PUTTING IN, UM, LIGHTED CROSSWALKS OR A CAP, METRO, UM, YOU KNOW, STATION, NOT A STATION, UM, PLACE WHERE YOU BOARD THE BUS, THE THIS, RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS COMMISSIONER, BRERA RAMIREZ. 
          UM, THERE ARE WAYS THAT THEY CAN HELP ADDRESS THAT MOBILITY DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THEY'RE GOOD CORPORATE CITIZENS. 
          I THINK THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          SO THAT'S MY REASONING, UH, FOR THE MOTION 
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MOTION ON THE TABLE IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND TO REQUIRE AND TO REQUEST THAT COUNCIL INITIATE A PET AMENDMENT, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, UH, ALL THOSE, THE COMMISSIONER SMITH AND MR. SMITH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
           OUR REQUEST FOR THE TANKS TO PUT REAL QUICK. 
          THIS IS WHERE I HAD MET HIM. 
          HE WAS LIKE, YES, THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT. 
          COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? YOU ARE COMING OUT REALLY GARBLED AFRICANS COMMENT ON OUR REQUESTS, THAT ZONING TANK. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UH, DAVE, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER? ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN HEAR ME GOOD. 
          PRE-STATE THAT? UH, MR. SMITH, UH, ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND COMMISSIONERS KING AND COMMISSIONER GENGLER AS WELL. 
          WE WANT TO ENSURE, CONTINUE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, JUST LIKE SAMSUNG HAS BEEN SINCE THEY'VE BEEN HERE. 
          UM, MY ONLY COMMENT IS, EH, AND, UH, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO, SORRY, I'LL BACK UP. 
          WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
          WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ENSURING THAT THE PUD ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED AT THE SAME TIME AS THIS ZONING CASE GOES FORWARD. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW IT. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF A FORMAL ZONING REZONING CASE IS REQUIRED. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE WILL DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUD DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES ARE WHOLE, THAT, UM, ALL OF THE TABLES ARE CORRECT. 
          ALL THE LAND USES ARE CORRECT, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT, UM, WITHOUT FILING A FORMAL PUD CASE, THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO US. 
          AND SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU, UH, YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT REWORDING THE WAY, UH, THAT YOU'RE, UH, REQUESTING COUNSEL TO CONSIDER THAT, TO LEAVE OPEN THE OPTION OF, UH, ENSURING THAT THE PUD REMAINS AS IT NEEDS TO, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH A FORMAL PUD AMENDMENT PROCESS. 
          I DON'T, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE OPTIONS MAY BE, UH, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO FIND A DIFFERENT AND MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THAT. 
          UH LONG-TERM SO THAT'S MY HUMBLE REQUEST AND, AND TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, DAVE, FOR THE FEEDBACK. 
          SO COMMISSIONER DECKLER, DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR MOTION ON YOU COMMISSIONER? DINKLER DANG IT. 
          I WAS GOING TO GET IT RIGHT BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING. 
          UM, I AM GOING TO CHANGE MY MOTION, WITHDRAW MY MOTION, AND NOW MAKE IT MOVE STAFF APPROVAL. 
          I AM CONFIDENT THIS, THE ISSUE OF THE PART AMENDMENT WILL BE RESOLVED BY SHERRY SWEETEST AND THE REST OF OUR HOUSING AND PLANNING STAFF. 
          IF SHERRY WAS BRAVE ENOUGH TO BRING US THE, WHAT WAS IT, THE 14TH ON THE FIRE NEAR CROSSING. 
          I HAVE NO DOUBTS. 
          THIS WILL GET TAKEN CARE OF IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. 
          SO I'M MAKING MY MOTION SIMPLY TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, SECONDED AGAIN BY COMMISSIONER THAT'S. 
          WAS IT? AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALL OF THOSE POSTS AND, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS EVANS AS OPPOSED, OR IS THAT A DELAYED REACTION DELAY? OKAY. 
          SO COMMISSIONER EVANS IS ALSO IN FAVOR, SO LET'S DO THAT AGAIN. 
          CAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          AND I'M GOING TO NAME EVERYBODY. 
          COMMISSIONER KOBASA COMMISSIONER DANGLER, COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER KOSTA VICE-CHAIR BERRERA RAMIREZ COMMISSIONER, DUNKIN, COMMISSIONER RAY COMMISSIONER, RAY, AND COMMISSIONER EVANS, ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND ALL THOSE, UM, ABSTAINING COMMISSIONER KING AND THE RECUSAL IS COMMISSIONER, UH, GARY. 
          AND SO NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR VOTE TAKEN AND NO MORE COMMENTS, WE WILL ASK ANDREW TO ASK COMMISSIONER GARY TO REJOIN US. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND  YOU MADE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. 
          AND NEXT ON IS, 
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UH, TH AND I WASN'T SURE WHO WAS TALKING, BUT WE CAN GO ON TO, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A 10 B NINE. 
          YES, YES. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YES, I DIDN'T DO THE TOTAL. 
          YES, YES. 
          NINES NINE ZERO ONE. 
          AND THE RECUSAL. 
          SURE. 
          I ACTUALLY DID INCLUDE ITEMS B EIGHT AND B NINE. 
          OH, YES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YES, IT DID. 
          YES. 
          WE HAD AGREED THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IT ALL AS ONE CASE. 
          YES, I HAD SOLD THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS FOR B EIGHT AND B NINE. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALSO DAVE ANDERSON AND STEVE DRAENOR, AND NEXT WE WILL HAVE 
          [B.7. Historic Design Standards]
B SEVEN HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS PRESENTATION BY KARA BURTON, BERTRAND, I BELIEVE. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ARE YOU READY TO GO? YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          KAREN COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS KAREN FOR TRON FROM THE HOUSING PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          IT IS AN HONOR TO BE HERE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS ON BEHALF OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS, WORKING GROUP THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION ESTABLISHED IN 2018, WE'RE NEAR THE END OF A TWO YEAR PROCESS WITH NUMEROUS STAKEHOLDERS AND LARGE POTENTIAL BENEFITS FOR PRESERVATION IN AUSTIN. 
          IS THE PRESENTATION UP ON YOURS, UH, ON YOUR SCREENS? YES, IT IS. 
          THANK YOU FOR PREPARING IT. 
          SURE. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO ONCE YOU BEGIN BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS A TOOL TO STEWARD CHANGE NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND ALSO THAT DESIGN STANDARDS PROVIDE A CLEAR AND OBJECTIVE WAY TO EVALUATE PROPOSED CHANGES. 
          THEY ARE AN ESSENTIAL TOOL FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, DESIGNERS, CITY STAFF, AND HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MEMBERS TO HAVE COMMON GROUND IN BOTH PROPOSING AND EVALUATING PROJECTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS EFFORT TO CREATE A SINGLE SET OF HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS IS IMPORTANT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. 
          AND I'M GOING, I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE VERY BRIEF. 
          FIRST, A HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS WILL INCREASE EQUITY AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, UM, COMMUNITY LED APPLICANT TEAMS MUST CREATE THEIR OWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH ADDS A LOT OF TIME TO THE PROCESS. 
          AND MOST APPLICANT TEAMS OPT TO HIRE A CONSULTANT, WHICH ALSO ADDS COSTS. 
          PROBATION. 
          AUSTIN DOES OFFER A DESIGN STANDARDS TEMPLATE, WHICH FROM THE BEGINNING A BASIS FOR THESE STANDARDS, BUT SOME EXPERTISE IS STILL REQUIRED. 
          SECOND HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS WILL INCREASE PREDICTABILITY FOR PROPERTY OWNERS AND POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          SO WE'LL KNOW, FROM THE BEGINNING, WHAT DESIGNATION ENTAILS RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH A VERY LENGTHY BACK AND FORTH ABOUT IT. 
          UH, THESE COMMUNITY PREPARED DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          SO THESE A SINGLE SET OF STANDARDS TAKES A COMMON SENSE APPROACH BY RECOGNIZING COMMON UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES, BUT ALL EIGHT OF OUR LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS CREATED THEIR OWN DESIGN STANDARDS BASED ON THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, WHICH I MENTIONED AND MORE ABOUT IN A MINUTE, BUT 95% OF THOSE EIGHT SETS OF STANDARDS ARE THE SAME WITH JUST A FEW VARIATIONS. 
          SO THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE. 
          MOST OF THESE ELEMENTS ARE COMMON. 
          HOW CAN WE CREATE A I'M A SINGLE SET, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          THE P THE RECOMMENDED STANDARDS PROVIDE CLEARER GUIDELINES FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, THE, ALL THOSE OWNERS USE THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. 
          THOSE ARE GREAT STANDARDS. 
          AGAIN, WE'LL GET TO THOSE IN A MINUTE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO PRETTY VAGUE WHEN FIGURING OUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, WHAT WORK IS ACTUALLY ACCEPTABLE. 
          UM, HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS WILL PROVIDE AN EDUCATIONAL TOOL FOR ALL HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS WITH ILLUSTRATIONS OF GOOD PRACTICES AND AN ILLUSTRATED GLOSSARY. 
          WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REQUIRE, UM, PREVIOUS HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS TO INCLUDE ILLUSTRATIONS BECAUSE IT ADDS COST. 
          AND THAT COST RIGHT NOW IS BEING BORN BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE SANDALS WILL PROVIDE, UM, WILL PROVIDE SOME CONSISTENCY FOR PROJECT REVIEW BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF, AT LEAST FOR HISTORIC LANDMARKS, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT 
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PROPERTIES AND FUTURE LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          EXISTING DISTRICT DISTRICTS WILL BE ABLE TO ADOPT THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS IF THEY CHOOSE OTHERWISE THEIR EXISTING STANDARDS WILL REMAIN. 
          AND FINALLY, A SIMILAR SET OF HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS AS GOOD PRACTICES IN PRESERVATION. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S COMING AND PRESERVATION PROGRAMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING THE LEADING PROGRAMS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO HERE IS THE SECRETARY OF GAUGE HERE, USE STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. 
          UM, THEY ESTABLISHED THE FOUNDATION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THEY FORMED THE BASIS FOR THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, SORRY FOR THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR THESE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          OKAY, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, BECAUSE THE SECRETARY STANDARDS INCLUDE A LOT OF WORDS AND PHRASES THAT CAN SOUND VERY SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER. 
          I LIKE TO BOIL THEM DOWN TO A FEW OVERARCHING PRINCIPLES THAT APPLY THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS FIRST TO PRESERVE BUILDINGS AS THEY DEVELOPED OVER TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH PUBLICLY VISIBLE PARTS TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR HISTORIC MATERIALS, REPLACING IN KIND ONLY IF NECESSARY AS AT MY COLLEAGUES STATED ASCII CALLS THAT THE HONESTY OF ARCHITECTURE I REALLY LIKE, AND FINALLY NEW ADDITIONS AND NEW BUILDINGS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH AND DIFFERENTIATED FROM HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO HERE'S THE CHAPTER OUTLINE OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS, NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BASICALLY THERE'S OVERARCHING PRINCIPLES THAT I JUST MENTIONED, AND THE SECRETARY STANDARDS AS A WHOLE FORM, THE FOUNDATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS AS THEY, THEY ARE APPLICABLE TO EACH ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH A FEW HIGHLIGHTS. 
          IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENT IT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR BACKUP. 
          UM, BUT I'M GOING TO, YEAH. 
          JUST KIND OF GIVE, GIVE THE FIRST I'VE USED HERE, IT'S THE WORKING GROUP PRIORITIZE, MAKING THE STANDARDS EASY TO USE FOR EVERYONE, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE OR EXPERTISE, BECAUSE THE STANDARDS APPLY TO CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS. 
          THERE ARE CHARTS AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH CHAPTER THAT SHOW WHICH STANDARDS ARE REQUIRED AND WHICH ARE RECOMMENDED. 
          THERE ARE ALSO CHARTS ILLUSTRATING THE HISTORIC REVIEW PROCESS AND WHAT PROJECTS QUALIFY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE VERSUS COMMISSION REVIEW, WHICH CAN BE QUITE DETAILED AND CONFUSING. 
          THE STANDARD USE ACCESSIBLE LANGUAGE AND HAVE CLEAR GRAPHICS AND CONSISTENT SYMBOLS TO HELP PEOPLE RECOGNIZE KEY THEMES. 
          THE TWO SYMBOLS SHOWN HERE REPRESENT SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES. 
          THAT'S THAT GREEN SUN AND ADDITIONAL STANDARDS AND NOTES FOR HISTORIC LANDMARKS THAT THE YELLOW STAR AND THE PDF OF THE FILES INCLUDE HYPERLINKS TO HELP PEOPLE EASILY GET AROUND THE DOCUMENT AND ALSO TO GET TO OUTSIDE RESOURCE WEBSITES LIKE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PRESERVATION BRIEF, WHICH PROVIDED MORE DETAILED GUIDANCE ON SAY, TREATMENT OF, OF HISTORICAL MORTAR. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE BRIEFLY INTO, INTO SPECIFIC CHAPTERS COVERING THE GOALS AND THE HOPE FOR OUTCOME. 
          THERE'S A MODERN CODES AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY SECTION TO ADDRESS HOW PRESERVATION PROJECTS INTERSECT WITH ENERGY AND ACCESSIBILITY CODES. 
          THIS SECTION ALSO TRIES TO BROADEN THE PERSPECTIVE FROM SHORT-TERM FIXES LIKE WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN A COUPLE OF WAYS FIRST, BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY BENEFITS OF KEEPING BUILDINGS STANDING AND PRESERVING HIGH QUALITY HISTORIC COMPONENTS. 
          AND SECOND, BY FOCUSING ON HIGH IMPACT HIGH RATE OF RETURN ENERGY EFFICIENCY MEASURES, UM, WHICH OFTEN FOR THE MOST PART CODES, IT'S REALLY NICELY WITH, UH, WITH PRESERVATION STANDARDS. 
          THERE'S A SPECIAL SUBSECTION ON WINDOWS AND ENERGY CONSERVATION IN THE WINDOWS SECTION OF THE REPAIR AND ALTERATIONS CHAPTER, BECAUSE I KNOW MOST PEOPLE WILL GO STRAIGHT TO THE SECTION THAT RELATES TO THEIR PROJECT. 
          BUT AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO USE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          THE REPAIRING ALTERATIONS CHAPTER HAS A FEW GOALS. 
          ONE IS TO HELP PEOPLE BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR BUILDING. 
          SO THE CHAPTER INCLUDES A LOT OF DIAGRAMS THAT SHOW BUILDING PARTS AND ROOF WINDOW AND DOOR TYPES. 
          MOST SECTIONS IN THE CHAPTER INCLUDE A SHORT DISCUSSION ON MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY A SEPARATE CHAPTER TOWARDS THE END CALLED MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE AND PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC MATERIALS. 
          WE ALSO WANTED TO PROVIDE DIVERSE EXAMPLES OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS TO BROADEN PEOPLE'S UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT A HISTORIC BUILDING LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF PURCHASE. 
          ONE IS THIS, UM, BUILDING IN THE ROBERTS AND STUART AND THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICT ON THE LEFT, UM, LIKE A NATIONAL FOCUS AND VICTORIAN INFLUENCES. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO A 
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CITY OF AUSTIN LANDMARK AND THEN ON THE RIGHT THAT'S THE JOHN CHASE DESIGN BUILDING AND THE NEW ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS IS DIRECTORS NEXT SLIDE, SEPARATE CHAPTERS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL EDITION, BUT THE GOALS ARE SIMILAR BASICALLY TO PROVIDE A DIVERSE SET OF GOOD EXAMPLES AND TO CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE THE STEPS WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO NEXT SLIDE. 
          LIKEWISE, THERE ARE SEPARATE CHAPTERS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SIMILAR GOALS, THE WORKING GROUP AND THE DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL FOCUS GROUP THAT WAS CONVENED TO FOCUS ON COMMERCIAL BUILDING STANDARDS FELT THAT IT WAS REALLY ESSENTIAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE MARKET REALITIES AND LOCAL PRIORITIES AROUND DENSITY. 
          THIS IS SHOWN IN THE RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS THROUGH DISCUSSION OF HOW SCALE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS AND ADU, AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL STANDARDS WITH ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT NEW BUILDINGS MAY BE MUCH LARGER IN COLOR THAN SURROUNDING HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 
          AND THE STANDARDS OFFERED GUIDANCE ON HOW TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE, STRICT DESIGN STANDARDS INCLUDE AN ILLUSTRATED GLOSSARY THAT WE HOPE WILL HELP PEOPLE. 
          UM, NOT ONLY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE STANDARDS, BUT ALSO GET TO KNOW THEIR BUILDINGS BETTER. 
          WE'VE TRIED TO REALLY PRIORITIZE USABILITY NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I'M THE WANT TO GO INTO THE PROCESSES DEVELOPING THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS IS I MENTIONED THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION FORMED THE DESIGN STANDARDS WORKING GROUP IN SEPTEMBER OF 2018. 
          AND THAT FALL, WE WORKED WITH A UTI HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRADUATE CLASS TO SURVEY NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES OR BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE NATION IN HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          THEN WE CAN GO, UH, CONVENED IN EARLY THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, 2018 AND EARLY 2019, AND DID A DEEP DIVE INTO SOME OF THOSE, UH, BEST PRACTICES AND THEN CREATED A DRAFT IT THROUGH, UM, TWO SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          SO IT WAS A LOT OF WORK, UM, AFTER REVIEW AND REVISION AND THEN REVIEW AGAIN, THE WORKING GROUP RELEASED A DRAFT FOR COMMUNITY REVIEW IN JUNE OF 2019. 
          WE SEE IF MORE THAN 175 COMMENTS FROM COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS IN RESPONSE TO THAT DRAFT, SINCE THEN OVER THE LAST 16 MONTHS, THE LOOKING GROUP HAS YOUR VICES STANDARDS, GRAPHICS HAVE BEEN ADDED AND THE DOCUMENT WAS LAID OUT AND FORMATTED. 
          THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION ADOPTED A RESOLUTION IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, REQUESTING THAT CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND ADOPT THE STANDARDS. 
          NOW WE'RE PRESENTING THEM TO RELATED BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT TO COUNCIL. 
          IF THE COUNCIL DOES ADOPT THE STANDARDS, THEY WILL APPLY TO ALL HISTORIC LANDMARKS, PROPERTIES AND NATIONAL REGISTERED, REGISTERED DISTRICTS ON AN ADVISORY BASIS. 
          AND OUR FUTURE LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          AND THIS IS FUTURE LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS WANT TO PROVIDE MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION. 
          THEY CAN ADOPT A SUPPLEMENT TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS IF THEY LIKE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THE DESIGN SYSTEM IS WORKING GROUP HAS REALLY POWERED THIS PROCESS SINCE 2018 AND DESERVES TREMENDOUS CREDIT WORKING GROUP MEMBERS WERE SELECTED THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THE GOAL OF HAVING ALL SORTS OF STAKEHOLDERS AT THE TABLE, AND THEY SHOWED STANDING DEDICATION THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING, REVISING, REVISING AGAIN, AND REVIEWING AGAIN. 
          SO AS STAFF, WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE FACILITATED THE PROCESS AND COMPETENCE IN PUTTING FORWARD THESE STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY WERE DEVELOPED BY AND FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT ARE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AND A POTENTIAL RESOLUTION FROM RECOMMENDING THAT COUNCIL TAKE UP THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS FOR CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KAREN. 
          AND, UM, I SEE THAT, UH, FIRST I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER KANE AND THEN TO COMMISSIONER BRAY. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE STANDARDS, HOW THEY MIGHT, UH, TO WHAT EXTENT THEY APPLY TO NOT JUST THE STRUCTURE, BUT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THIS CAME UP ON THE MONTOPOLIS NEGRO SCHOOL AND ON THE PALM SCHOOL WHERE NOT ONLY WAS THE BUILDING CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THE HISTORIC, UH, YOU KNOW, NATURE OF THE, OF THE SITE, BUT, BUT ALSO THE SURROUNDING LAND ITSELF. 
          AND, UH, AND I DON'T MEAN THE ADJACENT LAND MEAN THE LAND THAT, THAT THE HISTORIC BUILDING STRUCTURE IS ON LOCATED 
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ON. 
          SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN, IS THE, IS THE SURROUNDING LAND THAT THE BUILDING IS ON INCLUDED IN THESE STANDARDS IN SOME WAY? OR HOW DO, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? YES, COMMISSIONER. 
          SO IF THIS, I MEAN, PROPERTY IS ZONED A HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, H FOR LANDMARK OR HD FOR A LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR IF IT'S INCLUDED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT PROPERTY. 
          YES. 
          THE STANDARDS WILL APPLY AND THERE'S A CHAPTER ON SITES AND STATE, WHICH, WHICH, UM, REGULATES PERMANENT LANCE, UM, PERMANENT LANDSCAPING BASICALLY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO REGULATE SOMEONE'S TOMATO PLANTS. 
          UM, BUT IF THEY'RE BUILDING A SITE WALL OR, UM, YOU KNOW, PAVING PART OF THE PROPERTY OR CHANGING SOMETHING, THAT'S IN A PERMANENT WAY THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED. 
          AND THAT CHAPTER, UM, BASICALLY SAYS TO PRESERVE THE, THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES, WHICH IS, UM, THE THINGS THAT ARE CHARACTERISTIC, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN ON THE MONTOPOLIS NEGRO SCHOOL, THAT WAS, UH, THE, THE, THE FACT THAT THE LAND AROUND THERE WAS OPEN AND IT HAD FLOWERS AND IT WAS LIKE A LITTLE NICE GREEN SPACE THAT, THAT THE KIDS, WHEN THEY WENT TO SCHOOL, THERE COULD GO AND ENJOY. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THAT. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THAT SIDE. 
          AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO YOU'RE TELLING AS I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT KIND OF, OF, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED AND CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE HISTORIC, UH, EVALUATION OF THE SITE. 
          YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          PARTICULARLY FOR, UM, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THERE IS A STANDARD ACTUALLY FOR HISTORIC LANDMARKS THAT, UM, IF THE PROPERTY HAD A GRASSY OPEN ONE, UM, AND ITS HISTORIC PERIOD TO MAINTAIN THAT CONTACT AND TO NOT, DON'T REPLACE THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, CAVING OR GRAVEL THAT'S FOR LANDMARKS. 
          WE WOULDN'T GO TO THAT, THAT LEVEL OF REGULATION IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THE VALUE COMES FROM THE COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS, BUT WE WOULD STILL REVIEW THOSE CHANGES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. 
          AND I WONDER TOO, COULD YOU ADDRESS TO THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE EQUITY OFFICE HAS REVIEWED THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR, OR MAYBE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE PROCESS DOWNSTREAM SOMETIME? COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? YES. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED TO THE EQUITY OFFICE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE STANDARDS AND, UM, THEY, AREN'T ACTUALLY IN THE, THEY ARE REVIEWING THEM RIGHT NOW AND WE'LL BE MEETING, UH, BEFORE CHRISTMAS TO DISCUSS GREAT. 
          AND MY LAST QUESTION, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, BUT I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THE PRESERVATION AUSTIN, UH, INFORMATION FROM PRESERVATION AUSTIN IN THE BACKUP THAT THERE'S A, UH, UH, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, UNDERREPRESENTED HERITAGE AS AN FYI 21 ADVOCACY PRIORITY. 
          AND THAT WAS LISTED IN THE BACKUP FOR THIS CASE. 
          SO NOW COULD, COULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHAT THAT'S ABOUT AND HOW THAT TIES TO THESE STANDARDS? YES. 
          SO THAT THAT'S A PRESERVATION AUSTIN ORGANIZATIONAL PRIORITY THAT HAS BEEN, THAT HAS BEEN SET BY THEIR ADVOCACY COMMITTEE. 
          SO I BELIEVE IT TIES INTO THESE. 
          THEY MENTIONED IT IN THE SUPPORT LETTER, BECAUSE IF THESE STANDARDS ARE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, THEY WILL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO DESIGNATE HISTORIC THEY'LL REDUCE THE TIME AND COST REQUIRED TO DESIGNATE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          AND, UM, HOPEFULLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN UNDERREPRESENTED WITH OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND HISTORIC LANDMARKS SUCH AS, UM, HISTORICALLY AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES. 
          SO IT JUST, IT IT'LL VASTLY STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND IN OUR INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY, WE HAVE, OUR HISTORY GOES WAY BACK HERE IN, SO I'M ASSUMING INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES IS INCLUDED IN THAT OR INCLUDED IN THAT. 
          SO, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON THIS AND FOR YOUR ANSWERS AND FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN NEXT COMMISSIONER BRAY, AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, HAVE YOU, I I'M, I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITH HOW THEY IMPACT AFFORDABILITY. 
          UM, AND IT'S, THEY'RE PREVENTING US FROM BEING ABLE TO, UM, ADD HOUSING THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED. 
          AND, UH, ESPECIALLY, IT FEELS LIKE IN A LOT OF CASES, IT'S KHALEED TO JUST BE, HAVE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES, OLD HOUSES IN CENTRAL AUSTIN. 
          AND IT'S, UH, I GUESS I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT A, LIKE, WHAT, HOW, LIKE WHAT IMPACT ADDING THESE HISTORIC STANDARDS HAS ON AFFORDABILITY, UH, ON, ON LONG-TERM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS, DO THEY TEND TO BE, UH, WELL, MIDDLE AFFORDABLE? W YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DEGREE OF THEM, IF I COMPARE TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA, COULD YOU, 
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COULD YOU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ADDRESSING THAT OR COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? SURE. 
          SO THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS DON'T, I MEAN, THEY, THEY DO PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR MAINTAINING AND REPAIRING OLDER BUILDINGS DOCK, WHICH CAN BE, UM, IS OFTEN SMALLER AND MORE MARKET AFFORDED MARKET RATE AFFORDABLE, NOT ALWAYS. 
          UM, AND DID YOU PROVIDE, AS I MENTIONED, THEY PROVIDE STANDARDS FOR ADU AND MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS. 
          THEY ARE PRIMARILY A TOOL WHEN WE START DESIGN STANDARDS SPECIFICALLY ARE PRIMARILY A TOOL TO INCREASE EQUITY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATION PROCESS AND PROVIDE CLEARER GUIDANCE FOR HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          AND IN TERMS OF THE BROADER QUESTION OF AFFORDABILITY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW ON WE'RE BEGINNING RIGHT NOW, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS, EQUITY ANALYSIS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, LOOKING AT THE IMPACT OF HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION ON PROPERTY VALUES. 
          UM, AND THAT LEVELS WE'RE IN THE SCOPING INTERNAL SCOPING PROCESS FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE ARE, WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          WE'VE WORKED WITH A PHD STUDENT AT UT IN THE PAST TO LOOK AT, AT, UM, DENSITY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND ALSO WITH DR. 
          MIKE PAUL FROM THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, WHO CAME IN FALL OF 2019 AND GAVE A TALK AT, AT ONE OF THE IMAGINE AUSTIN SPEAKERS SERIES AND DR. 
          POSEN ELLIS HAS ACTUALLY FOUND THAT HISTORIC LOCAL DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS INCLUDED TWICE THE PROPORTION OF HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE, UM, AT I THINK, 80%. 
          AND IF I CAN, I CAN LOOK THAT UP AND SEND YOU MORE INFORMATION, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS A SURPRISING FINDING AS, AS NON-DESIGNATED HOUSING STOCK AND THE REST OF THE CITY. 
          SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, THE COMPARISON, UM, THAT BEING SAID OUR EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICTS, SIX, OUR SIX LONGEST RUNNING DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE IN THE OLD WEST AUSTIN AREA, NORTH OF CAMPUS, AND HAVE ONE VERY SMALL ONE IN SOUTH AUSTIN. 
          IT'S ONLY IN THE LAST, JUST OVER A YEAR, BUT WE'VE HAD OUR FIRST TWO HISTORIC DISTRICTS DESIGNATED IN EAST AUSTIN, WHICH IS LONG, LONG OVERDUE. 
          UM, SO THE INFORMATION, THE DATA THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH IS, IS LIMITED. 
          SO, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE, OH, THIS IS TO SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN AS WELL. 
          UM, LOOKING AT HOW, HOW THE PRESERVATION OF THE SMALLER OLDER BUILDINGS MAY PRESERVE MARKET RATE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS APPROVED AND, AND MAINTAIN A MORE, UM, GRADUATED OR MAINTAIN A MORE STABLE LEVEL OF PROPERTY TAXES FOR SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AS OPPOSED TO DEMOLITION OF A SMALLER, OLDER BUILDING AND REPLACEMENT WITH A MUCH LARGER NEW BUILDING OR REPLACEMENT WITH TWO MUCH LARGER BUILDINGS. 
          IN FACT OF THE ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS JUST AS IT NEEDED IN SEPTEMBER AFFORDABILITY WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY REALLY FELT THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, WOULD BE USEFUL BECAUSE THEY WERE SEEING DEMOLITION OF, OF OLDER, SMALLER BUILDINGS AND REPLACEMENT WITH ENORMOUS NEW BUILDING, UM, THAT WERE, THAT WERE MUCH, MUCH MORE, MORE EXPENSIVE AND THAT THEY COULDN'T, THEY COULD NOT AFFORD BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SEND YOU MORE FIGURES FROM DR. 
          PO'S WORK, UM, AND TO PROVIDE UPDATES ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AT, UM, EQUITY ANALYSIS, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, THAT'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE OF THAT. 
          CAUSE THAT'S JUST A BIG CONCERN. 
          I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THERE'VE BEEN OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          UM, LIKE AN EXAMPLE IS THE ALDRIDGE PLACE. 
          ONE, LITERALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT. 
          THERE WERE, IT WAS THE, LITERALLY IT WAS, THE BUILDINGS WERE INTENDED TO BE EXPENSIVE. 
          AND, UH, WE MADE THAT A HISTORIC DISTRICTS WERE BASICALLY, WE WERE PRESERVING A DESIRE FOR IT TO BE EXPENSIVE. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A VERY PROBLEMATIC THING WHEN THAT TYPE OF THING HAPPENS. 
          AND SO I, I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED WITH THIS ISSUE AND I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY CHANGES WE'RE MAKING ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON OUR, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING BUILDINGS AS NECESSARILY PRESERVE PEOPLE. 
          YOU END UP JUST HAVING, UH, YOU KNOW, HOUSING PRICES WHERE THEY ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IN CENTRAL AUSTIN IS NEVER GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE NO MATTER HOW YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, UM, DEAL WITH THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUES. 
          AND, AND TO ME, THAT'S, UH, MY, MY FIRST PRIORITY WITH THIS. 
          UM, AND AS I SAY, THERE'S VALUE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, 
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BUT IT, IT, UH, CAN'T, UH, BE OUR ONLY PRIORITY. 
          YOU KNOW, I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES THERE'S BEEN TOO MUCH OF A, UM, HAVE LOTS OF THOUGHTS, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO SEE AS PRESERVING LIKE, UH, A CITY THAT IN AMBER THAT'S NOT WELCOMING TO NEW PEOPLE OR SUSTAINABLE LONGTERM. 
          NO, I AGREE. 
          AND, UM, I RECENTLY ACTUALLY MOVED FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE OVER TO THE DISPLACEMENT PREVENTION DIVISION. 
          SO THAT'S, MY BACKGROUND IS IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND MY INTERESTS ARE THERE AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, FROM A NUMBER OF OTHER STUDIES AND PRELIMINARY WORK WE'VE DONE HERE, IT SEEMS THAT HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE, COULD BE A TOOL FOR SHORT TERM AFFORDABILITY SHORT AND MID-TERM AFFORDABILITY IN AUSTIN. 
          UM, THAT'D BE GLAD, GLAD TO ENGAGE MORE WITH YOU OVER THAT. 
          ALSO, JUST AS A QUICK OF, UM, CONTEXT, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE, WE, YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THESE STANDARDS WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO DESIGNATE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE NEIGHBORS MAY NOT HAVE A TON OF RESOURCES, WHICH WERE JUST SMALLER, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT MONUMENTAL HOUSES. 
          UM, BUT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE PRESERVING THE WHOLE SITTING AMBER OR EVEN EVEN A SIGNIFICANT PROPORTION OF IT RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE ARE, UM, THE PROPORTION OF, OF PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICT IS QUITE SMALL IN AUSTIN COMPARED TO, UM, WELL COMPARED TO ANYTHING, BUT ALL, ALL OF OUR PEER CITIES AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, DOES IT MAKE IT EASIER FOR DESIGNATION, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WILL BE RUNNING RAMPANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN I, I READ OUT COMMISSIONER KING AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUNKIN AND THEN COMMISSIONER RAY. 
          SO COMMISSIONER KING, OR IS THAT HIM? I JUST, I JUST LOWERED THE HAND. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER DUNCAN AND THEN COMMISSIONER RAY. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY MY COMMENTS ARE MORE, UH, FIRST ONE, I GOT A COMPLIMENT BECAUSE THEY HIT THE STAFF ON THEIR EFFORTS FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION BECAUSE I, AS A PLANNER LONG-TERM PLANNER, I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS AND IT'S MADE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT, BUT HERE IN AUSTIN WITH THE PRESSURES OF RIDE GROWTH AND ALL THAT, UM, ONE THING I USED TO TELL PEOPLE WHEN THEY WOULD LOOK AT AUSTIN AND SEE SOME OF THE OLD BUILDINGS WE HAD, AND I SAID, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AUSTIN WAS FORTUNATE ABOUT WAS IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES, WE WERE SORT OF PASSED OVER DALLAS AND HOUSTON. 
          I GOT THE BUILDINGS AND THEY LOST ALL THAT. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND THE PAST IS IMPORTANT IF WE START FORGETTING ABOUT THAT. 
          AND I SAY THAT I DON'T HAVE TO SAY THIS WAS IN THE POLICY, BUT SINCE I HAVE SORT OF THE ANCIENT POTENT ON THE COMMISSION, UH, IT, UH, INCIDENTALLY IT, IF ANY, ONE OF YOU 10 KNOW WHERE THE ISSUE OF PELICAN CAME FROM, I'LL BUY YOU SOMETHING AFTER THE PANDEMIC. 
          BUT, UH, UH, BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT. 
          UH, BUT I WANT TO SWITCH A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE WINCHELL AND COMMENT ON COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT, UH, IT DOES SADLY TO SEE US START LOSING ALL OF THE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST WE'VE LOST, UH, UH, THREAD GELS AND WE'VE LOST TOUCH. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE WE'RE GOING TO LOSE CISCOS AND, UH, AND DIRTIES, AND I KNOW CISCO AND DIRTY DON'T REALLY HAVE ARCHITECTURAL, LIKE ARE, LET GO LIKE THE OTHER TWO, BUT, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          AND, UH, I JUST WANT TO SORT OF LEAVE MY COMMENTS TODAY BY SAYING, I, I TRY TO PRACTICE WHAT I PREACH. 
          AND IF ANY OF YOU, I HAD LUNCH TODAY AT, UH, THE TOP-NOTCH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING UH DRIVE-INS AND THAT IS HEALTHY, BUT WE NEED TO START, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PATRONIZING BUSINESSES LIKE THAT IN TOWN, BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP A LOT IN RECRUITING, UH, UH, ECONOMIC CENTER. 
          YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THIS, BUT SO, BUT AGAIN, I STARTED THIS AND I WANT TO END IT BY SAYING THANK YOU STAFF, KEEP UP YOUR GOOD WORK, UH, UH, BE RATIONAL AND REASONABLE. 
          AND, UH, UH, LET'S HOPEFULLY A FUTURE HOUSE TO A NICE CAN LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT MADE IT WONDERFUL FOR, FOR US TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND COMMISSIONER RAY, THEN COMMISSIONER GEARY, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND FROM THIS WORK, UM, IT'S CLEARLY DONE IN SUCH A SOUND THROW AWAY. 
          UM, AND ONE THING THAT I LOVED ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION WAS THAT HOW EQUITY THIS ROSE 
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TO THE TOP OF THE LIST OF GOALS IN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE BARRIER TO MAKING THESE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, I WANTED TO SEE, SINCE YOU ARE NOW WORKING IN THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT DIVISION, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE WORK TO KIND OF MARRY THIS WITH SOME OF OUR HOME REHABILITATION LOAN PROGRAMS AND REPAIR GRANTS, SO THAT THIS CAN REALLY SERVE AS TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE LOW INCOME AND WANTING TO MAKE THESE SORTS OF MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR HOMES. 
          THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, WE ARE LAUNCHING A NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE WEBSITE. 
          I FEEL IT'S ANY DAY NOW. 
          IT COULD BE ANY MONTH NOW, BUT THAT DOES INCLUDE DIRECT LINKS TO THOSE, UM, ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS FOR HOMEOWNERS. 
          UM, AS WELL AS SOME ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS OFFERED BY AUSTIN ENERGY FOR LOW-INCOME HOMEOWNERS. 
          SO WE, THAT'S A VERY QUIET WAY OF DOING THAT. 
          UM, WE ARE ALSO, WE'VE ALSO APPLIED FOR A GRANT TO PREPARE A NEW EQUITY FOCUSED PRESERVATION PLAN. 
          UM, WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR ON THAT, BUT IF THAT'S, IF WE DO GET THAT FUNDING THAT WE WOULD EMBARK ON A COMMUNITY-BASED PROCESS TO DEVELOP THAT PLAN, THAT I THINK WE'LL ASK MORE BROADLY HOW PRESERVATION TOOLS CAN BE USED IN A MORE EQUITABLE WAY AND TO FURTHER GOALS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND LIKE A DENSE AND HEALTHY CITY, UM, THAT PLAN WOULD REPLACE OUR EXISTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN, WHICH WAS COMPLETED IN 1981 AND IS, IS NEARLY HISTORIC ITSELF. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S THE SPECIFICS OF CONNECTING HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS WITH EXISTING PROGRAMS. AND THEN THERE'S THE BROADER OPPORTUNITIES TO SAY, THIS IS A POWERFUL TOOL. 
          HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE IT'S USED, UM, TOWARD AN OVERALL MORE EQUITABLE CITY? GREAT. 
          UM, YEAH, I JUST THINK WE CAN DO A LOT OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE STANDARDS CAN HELP PEOPLE TO HOLD ONTO THEIR HOMES, UM, AND TIE THEM TO A LOT OF OUR AFFORDABILITY GOALS. 
          SO, UM, HOPEFULLY I'LL GET THAT GRANT. 
          SOUNDS EXCITING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN COMMISSIONER GARY, THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED. 
          UM, I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT THAT Y'ALL ARE TAKING IN THE CARE INTO INVOLVING DOING THE EQUITY ANALYSIS. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UM, OUR HISTORY, THE HISTORY OF BOSTON, ALL OF AUSTIN NOT BE LOST IN IT. 
          I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT THAT THERE'S NEW. 
          UM, THERE'S RECONSIDERATION TO INCLUDE EAST AUSTIN, WHICH HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, NEGLECTED OR OVERSEEING. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT SOMETIMES WE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE THE NICEST LOOKING BUILDING OR SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE THAT HAS THAT KIND OF HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT SOMETIMES WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHO LIVED IN THAT BUILDING. 
          THAT ALSO IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE IS WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT VERSUS THE PERSON THAT LIVED IN IT, THAT'S WHO WE ARE AS FAR AS AUSTIN. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE NOT LOSE THAT HISTORY. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD IN, IN THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE THING ABOUT THE GRANT AND THAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, WITH SOME OF THAT INFORMATION BEING MADE AVAILABLE IN SPANISH FOR THOSE SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS EQUAL ACCESS AND NOT JUST SPANISH, MAYBE OTHER LANGUAGES THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT POPULATIONS THAT COME INTO AUSTIN AND THAT REPRESENT AUSTIN. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GET THE WORD OUT, CONSIDER PUTTING IT IN THE LANGUAGE OF THOSE, UM, RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THAT EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE SPENDING ANY THOUGHT ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          YES. 
          WE'D HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT, WE'VE COMMITTED TO DOING MULTILINGUAL OUTREACH FOR THE COMMUNITY ADVISOR GROUP THAT THAT WOULD BE CREATED TO STEER THE PRESERVATION PLAN, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, MAKING THE DESIGN STANDARDS AVAILABLE IN SPANISH OR THE WEBSITE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO, THAT SHOULD BE POSSIBLE ALSO, UM, TRYING TO GET THEM ADOPTED FIRST. 
          BUT I THINK, UM, WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING SLOWLY ON PUTTING OTHER PRESERVATION EDUCATION MATERIALS INTO SPANISH, LIKE A HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATION GUIDE, UM, PROVIDING THAT IN SPANISH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN THE LAYOUT PROCESS, BUT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. 
          AND, UM, IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO NOT TO HAVE 
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THE, A FIRST THOUGHT AND NOT A SECOND THOUGHT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, OR ARE YOU, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER BRAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAD A QUESTION. 
          HAVE YOU LOOKED AT, UM, I KNOW LIKE THE ENFIELD AREA AND ESPECIALLY THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, OLDER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBDIVIDED WHERE THEY SAVE, TAKEN AN OLD BIG HOUSE AND CONVERTED IT INTO LIKE 10 SUBUNITS WHERE IT'S LIKE A SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          AND THAT, THAT IS A WAY TO, UM, MAKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE BOTH HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND LIKE WITH THE LOOK AND FEEL AND DEALING WITH THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, LAND IS MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          YOU NEED TO HAVE MORE UNITS THERE. 
          UM, WOULD THIS AFFECT THE ABILITY OF A PROPERTY TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU TURN AN OLD, YOU KNOW, AN OLD UNIT INTO LIKE FIVE UNITS INTERNALLY. 
          NO, THEY, THEY WOULD NOT. 
          SO THE DESIGN STANDARDS, HISTORICAL DATA IS NOT APPLIED TO ANY INTERIOR CHANGES, CAREER CHANGES AND, UH, HISTORIC REVIEW ALSO DOES NOT IMPACT YOUTH FOR THE BASE. 
          IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE BASE ZONING OR WHAT'S ALLOWED WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          AND I THINK IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR PADDING DENSITY IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          BUT YEAH, THESE WOULDN'T IMPACT THAT IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT THEY COULD BE WORKED INTO WHERE HISTORIC DESIGNATION MIGHT ALLOW MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS OR WHERE IF, IF YOU'RE PRESERVING THE BUILDING AND THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO MORE INTERNAL SUBDIVISIONS, IT'S KIND OF CREATING MORE OF AN INCENTIVE TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING IF YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO INTERNAL SUBDIVISIONS. 
          YES. 
          I THINK I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE AND I WOULD BE HESITANT TO ENDORSE IT BECAUSE HISTORICALLY WE ALWAYS EMPHASIZE IT IS PRESERVING THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. 
          ONE THING THAT IS, I THINK, DIRECTLY RELEVANT IS THAT, UM, THERE ARE TAX CREDITS, HISTORIC TAX CREDITS AVAILABLE AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL FOR INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES. 
          UM, AND THOSE CAN BE UP TO 30 OR 40% OF, UH, OF QUALIFIED COSTS FOR A PROJECT DEFINED PRETTY BROADLY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          THOSE ARE AVAILABLE TO, UM, PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED AT THE NATIONAL AND STATE LEVEL AND IN THE INNER WEST AUSTIN, THAT IS A LARGE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY, NOT FOR THE LOCAL INCENTIVE NECESSARILY, BUT IT COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL FINANCIAL INCENTIVE, UM, TO THAT OTHER THERE'S OTHER PROGRAMS TO SUPPORT, UM, SUBDIVISION IN A WAY THAT PRESERVES THE BUILDING EXTERIOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UM, COMMISSIONER DINKLER, UM, MY HEARABLE HERE. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          UM, I'D BE CURIOUS. 
          UM, I, I REALLY OPPRESS YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          I THOUGHT FOR A MOMENT YOU MIGHT'VE MET WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER DONKIN BECAUSE YOU REALLY ARE BURNING THIS PROCESS INTO THE 20TH CENTURY. 
          IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED, UM, TO GO THROUGH IT, UH, TO REVIEW IT. 
          UM, AND I THINK YOU'RE REALLY BRINGING, UM, THIS INTO A MORE MANAGEABLE FRAMEWORK FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UH, I, I LOVE THE CLEAR POLICY GUIDELINES. 
          I LOVE THE ILLUSTRATIONS. 
          I LOVE THE DEFINITIONS. 
          UH, I HONESTLY, UM, THINK YOU PROBABLY SHOULD BE WORKING ON THE CODE NEXT REWRITE BECAUSE IT WAS SO CLEAR. 
          UM, AND I, UM, UH, REALLY WAS APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK YOU DID. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO GETTING MORE PROPERTIES, UM, ZONED HISTORIC IN AREAS WHERE WE TRADITIONALLY HAVEN'T HAD A HISTORIC STONING. 
          I'VE BEEN SHOCKED AT HOW MANY OPPORTUNITIES WE'VE LOST IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT, WHERE THIS HELPS US MEET OUR GOALS OF AFFORDABILITY AND LESS GENTRIFICATION. 
          AND THE LOWELL CAN'T GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM, UH, DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT. 
          IT'S EXPENSIVE, THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UM, I'M REAL EXCITED BY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          UM, AND 
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I HOPE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT A CLARIFYING COMMENT IN TO THE RECORD. 
          I THINK, UM, ZAP AND I'VE BEEN ON ZAP ALMOST SIX YEARS NOW. 
          I THINK WE'VE REVIEWED MAYBE FIVE HISTORIC REZONINGS. 
          HOW MANY DO YOU DEAL WITH A YEAR? I DON'T. 
          UM, Y YEAH, IF ANYTHING, I THINK THAT, UM, THE COMMENTS ABOUT US HAVING LESS HISTORIC ZONING THAN PEER CITIES IS A STATEMENT WHERE WE MAY BE, UM, GOING WRONG. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK HOUSING IS THE ONLY GOAL FOR OUR CITY, AND I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT. 
          WE NOTE SOME OF THE, OUR, OUR HISTORIC CHARACTERS AS COMMISSIONER GARY TALKED ABOUT, UM, OUR PA UH, PAST SETTERS, ET CETERA. 
          UM, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS DO Y'ALL USUALLY DEAL WITH AT A YEAR? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? I AM NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          I USUALLY HANDLE HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATION, UM, WHICH WE, WE SEE ONE OR TWO OF, UH, EACH, EACH YEAR, UM, MAXIMUM, USUALLY USUALLY ONE OR NONE FOR HISTORIC LANDMARKS. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S ONE OR TWO DOZEN, BUT I CAN GET A MORE DEFINITIVE ANSWER FOR THAT AND, AND GET IT TO YOU. 
          ANOTHER COLLEAGUE HANDLES THAT, BUT THE IMPRESSION WE DO HISTORIC ZONING, WILLY NILLY AND REMOVE TAX BASE AND THE LIGHTS. 
          SO, SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK YOU GENERALLY ANSWERED THE QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR GREAT WORK ON ALL THIS. 
          OH, YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS. 
          I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WHEN I SAID WE HAD LESS, UM, HISTORIC SPENDING MEDICARE CITY, THEY SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT IT WAS HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          WE HAVE MANY FEWER HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND MANY FEWER OVERALL PROPERTIES. 
          WE DO HAVE, UM, A STRONG NUMBER OF HISTORIC LANDMARKS. 
          ALTHOUGH I THINK AS, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, GATORADE, I NOTED WE DO THOSE ARE UNDERREPRESENTED IN TERMS OF, OF, UM, NON-WHITE NON-MALE HISTORY. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, IN TERMS OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE HAVE VERY, VERY FEW THANK YOU. 
          AND I WAS GOING TO, I THINK I CAN ALMOST ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY HISTORIC HOUSE OR STORK PROPERTIES YOU, UM, YOU PROCESS EVERY YEAR, BECAUSE ISN'T IT LIMITED TO SOMETHING LIKE THREE PER COUNCIL MEETING OR SOMETHING. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A LIMIT, BUT I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. 
          SO DO YOU REMEMBER THAT KARA, THERE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE PIPELINE? THERE'S THERE'S A LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A LIMIT TO OWNER INITIATED LANDMARKS AND THE, UM, TUFTS INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S TWO OR THREE PER FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING, BUT THERE ARE, I'M NOT SURE I'VE EVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN IN, IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS WITH THE CITY. 
          SO USUALLY FEWER THAN THAT CHAIR, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          I'M JUST GOING ON AND ON. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ANSWERING THAT. 
          AND I WANTED TO COMMEND YOU KARA FOR DOING THIS BECAUSE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, EVEN WAY BEFORE I WAS ON ZAP A NEIGHBORHOOD APPROACHED ME BECAUSE FOR STRANGE REASONS, UM, BECAUSE THEY WANTED HELP, UM, IN TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES FOR THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT AFFORD TO DO D THEY COULD NOT AFFORD TO DO A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A HISTORIC ANYTHING UNLESS THEY, UM, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO HIRE SOMEBODY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR STANDARDIZING THE PROCESS. 
          AND IT REALLY DOES. 
          AND IT WAS AN AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY EVER DID ANYTHING AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GONE NOW, SO, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE. 
          SO I WANTED TO JUST SAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT TOOL. 
          AND I THINK POSSIBLY THAT THERE CAN BE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN IT LATER ON BECAUSE IT IS ALL ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO IF YOU WERE BUILDING, SO IF YOU DIVIDED UP INTO FOUR, UM, WHICH I THINK HAS HAPPENED, I CAN THINK OF POSSIBLY ONE OR TWO, UM, THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MORE, IT IS MORE ABOUT APPEARANCE AND NOT, AND PREVENTING A TEAR DOWN. 
          AND AS WE KNOW, AN OLDER BUILDING IS ESSENTIALLY AMORTIZED, BUT, AND IS 
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AFFORDABLE, BUT A NEWER BUILDING IS NEW. 
          I MEAN, AND YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE WHOLE CONSTRUCTION COST. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS AN AFFORDABLE TOOL. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING SWITCHED OVER AND WORKING ON AND TYING THIS TO YOUR NEW JOB. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND, UM, COMMISSIONER DENTLER AND COMMISSIONER TEENY, YOU STILL HAVE YOUR LITTLE HANDS UP. 
          DID YOU WANT TO DO ANYTHING? OH, COMMISSIONER KING. 
          YES. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          UH, WHAT I, SO AS THE ACTION ON THIS ITEM, AS I UNDERSTAND WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE SUPPORT FOR THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION THAT THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, THIS ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A SECOND, A CONDITIONER OR DUNCAN HAS SECOND OR COMMISSIONER RAY HAS SECONDED. 
          SO A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KING SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RAY, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          AND THAT'S COMMISSIONER KOBASA GARY KING, DUNKIN RAY DENTLER, ACOSTA, COMMISSIONER SMITH, AND COMMISSIONER, AND VICE-CHAIR BREWER RAMIREZ, ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND ANYBODY ABSTAINING COMMISSIONER BRAY AND COMMISSIONER EVANS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH CARE FOR A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION AND WELL THOUGHT OUT AND NEXT ONTO OUR IS, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT IT OR SHE'D BRING THE THING ON NO, WE'VE YEAH, WE'VE MADE OUR WE'RE WE'RE ONTO THE NEXT ONE. 
          AND THEN, UM, LET'S SEE ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, IS C ONE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ANY PRO PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? AND I ASSUME NOT, OR ANYBODY, 
          [C.2. Discussion and possible action to adopt recommendations regarding the update to the Transportation Criteria Manual. (Sponsors Chair Kiolbassa and Vice-Chair Barrera-Ramirez)]
AND THEN SEE TO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE UPDATE TO THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL AND SPONSORS, CHAIR KOBASA AND VICE CHAIR AT BERRERA RAMIREZ. 
          AND WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY AS YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD OR KNOW THAT VICE-CHAIR BURRELL RAMIREZ IS LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HER EXPERTISE. 
          AND SHE'S GIVEN ME THAT LOOK, BUT, UM, AND ALSO JUST TO LET EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO PARTICIPATE AND WHO WANTS TO SUBMIT COMMENTS, AND I KNOW THERE'S A FEW TRANSIT TRANSPORTATION NERDS ON OUR, UM, ON OUR COMMISSION, EVEN IF THEY DON'T PRACTICE THAT AS THEIR DAY JOB. 
          SO I WAS THINKING THAT WE COULD JUST SUBMIT COMMENTS. 
          I BELIEVE EVERYTHING'S BEEN S S UM, THAT ANDREW HAS FORWARDED MATERIAL. 
          AND IF YOU NEED ANY MORE MATERIAL, UM, PLEASE CONTACT ANDREW. 
          AND, UM, THE DEADLINE IS DECEMBER 30TH, 31ST. 
          SO GET, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR, UM, WANT TO POINT OUT ANYTHING OR COMMENT ON THE DRAFT, CAUSE THERE IS ALREADY A DRAFT PROPOSED, UH, ONLINE, IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES, UM, SUBMIT IT TO THE ANDREW BY NOON OF DECEMBER 14TH AND THAT IS MONDAY, AND THEN WE'D HAVE OUR MEETING ON DECEMBER 15TH. 
          AND SO, UM, AND THAT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN, CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW NERDS, FRIENDS, TRANSPORTATION NERDS HERE, AND THEN A FEW PEOPLE. 
          I MEAN, I'VE DEFINITELY LOOKED AT THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL FOR A FEW THINGS OVER THE YEARS. 
          SO JUST IN ORDER TO GET YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS AND VOTE ON THEM ON DECEMBER 15TH. 
          AND SO THAT IS IT. 
          UH VICE-CHAIR BERRERA RAMIREZ, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND THEN ACTUALLY I WILL SAY SOMETHING IF, IF YOU WANT TO CHAT ABOUT THE TCM OR YOU WANT TO REACH OUT TO ME BEFORE YOU PUT YOUR COMMENTS TOGETHER, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IT, OR WE CAN NAVIGATE THROUGH IT TOGETHER. 
          JUST LET ME KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, ANY OTHER, AND THEN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT IT AND IF NOT, THEN I WILL GO TO THE PATIENT OR GARY, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO IT'S OKAY FOR ALL OF US TO SPEAK WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER BENNETT, RAMIREZ REGARDING THIS. 
          THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A POOR VIEW ON THIS. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION. 
          UM, I, I THINK I WOULD LOOK TO OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN, BUT I THINK THAT POSSIBLY, UM, YEAH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE I COULD SEE, 
          [02:10:02]
UM, SPECIFIC PARTS. 
          IF THERE WAS A SPECIFIC THING YOU WOULDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T BE A WALKING QUORUM. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND ASK HER ABOUT SIDEWALKS OR CURB CUTS ON ARTERIALS, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT TOPIC WAY, DIFFERENT TOPIC THAN WHAT'S A STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT A VICE-CHAIR BREWER. 
          AMERICA'S NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I DON'T SEE, I THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER DAN CLERK PARLIAMENTARIAN DANCLER, I'LL BE HAPPY TO CHECK WITH, UM, LEGAL STAFF RELATING TO OPEN MEETINGS, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE ISSUE MIGHT BE THAT A DECISION IS MADE TO DO A FULL ZAP RECOMMENDATION ON IT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS IS HEADING, BUT IF THE POSSIBILITY IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT VIOLATING OPEN MEETINGS. 
          SO I'LL SEE IF I CAN'T GET A STAFF TO RESPOND AND HAVE ANDREW SEND THAT OUT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE EVEN INTERESTED IN THERE, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO BE THAT'S ACTUALLY, YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. 
          AND ACTUALLY WE DO HAVE, UM, KNOW WE CAN JUST RUN THAT BY CITY LEGAL AND THEY CAN END THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND THEY CAN ADVISE HOW TO PROCEED AND THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT THERE. 
          THE WE'LL FOLLOW THEM. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, GARY FOR RAISING THAT QUESTION, THAT COMMENT AND COMMISSIONER KING, THANK YOU CHAIR, JUST TO KIND OF ADD ONTO THIS DISCUSSION. 
          YOU KNOW, OUR PROCESS HAS BEEN, UH, WHEN THERE'S A WORK GROUP, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS GOING TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A ZAP WORK GROUP. 
          THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THE FULL COMMISSION HERE THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS THAT ANY, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON THAT WOULD BE SENT TO ANDREW AND HE WOULD FORWARD THEM ON, UH, AND, AND CAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PRECLUDE THE OPTION FOR US TO TAKE ACTION AS A FULL COMMISSION ON THIS. 
          AND SO IF OUR PROCESS WOULD PRECLUDE THAT, THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK WHAT WE CAN JUST, I MEAN, WE, THE, THE BASIC QUESTION IS, IS WHETHER WE CAN, UH, MORE THAN FIVE OF US CAN ANSWER THE, CAN ASK COMMISSIONER VICE-CHAIR BURRELL, RAMIREZ, AND TALK TO HER ABOUT AND GET HER OPINIONS AND JUST ASK HER MORE ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL. 
          SO THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT'S ON THE TAPE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE BASIC QUESTION. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, SO WHAT, WHAT IS, SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT SOME POINT, WELL, I'M ASSUMING THE COMMISSION COULD ADOPT OR MAY CONSIDER ADOPTING RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL. 
          AND SO TO ME, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE FULL COMMISSION TAKING ACTION. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT, THAT GETS US INTO HOT WATER. 
          AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I REALIZE THAT, BUT ALSO THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM TAKING ACTION. 
          IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING THAT SAYS, WELL, NOW YOU CAN'T TAKE ACTION. 
          IT JUST HAS TO BE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS FORWARDING THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT PRECLUDES US FROM BEING ABLE TO TAKE ACTION AS A FULL COMMISSION. 
          THAT'S ALL BECAUSE I DO WANT TO HEAR EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED AND, AND, AND I WOULD, I WANT TO BE PART OF THAT PROCESS TOO. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, THANK YOU AND TAKEN. 
          AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THEY'RE JUST THE EASIEST, THE, THE, THE MOST LEGAL, EASIEST AND SO FORTH. 
          AND SO ON WAY IS TO JUST GET AN OPINION FROM THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A, UM, I KNOW HE'S, UM, AND THERE IS A STAFF ATTORNEY WHO HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, SO I CAN REACH OUT TO HIM TO, UM, TOMORROW MORNING AND SEND HIM AN EMAIL ABOUT THIS, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE EASIER ON A PHONE CALL, BUT I'LL, I'LL TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT IN AN EMAIL. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YES, SURE. 
          COMMISSION WEIGHS ON ANDREW RIVERA AND COMPILING THE RECOMMENDATIONS IF THE COMMISSIONERS COULD, UM, SEND THOSE TO ME SAY BY, UM, UM, TO DECEMBER 11TH, THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE TIME TO COMPILE THOSE, AND THEN I HAVE THEM AVAILABLE, UM, MONDAY TO PRESENT TO, UM, THE COMMISSION AND THEN, UH, VOTE ON THOSE ON DECEMBER 15TH. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL MAKE IT, UM, HOW ABOUT END OF BUSINESS DAY, UH, OR, UH, FOUR BY FOUR O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING? 
          [02:15:03]
YES, PLEASE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE BY FOUR O'CLOCK FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING THAT, THAT WORKS FOR YOU, THAT WORKS FOR US. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FACILITATING THAT AND ANY, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          YOU'RE, I'M JUST GOING TO CLARIFY WHAT WE JUST SAID HERE, UH, SO MUCH SO THAT, UH, EVERYBODY WOULD SEND OR WHATEVER WE WOULD SEND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO ANDREW BY 4:00 PM ON MONDAY THE 14TH AND THEN NO, UH, 4:00 PM FRIDAY, FRIDAY THE 11TH. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS AND COMMISSIONER. 
          I THINK WE, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLEAR ABOUT THE PROCESS, BUT YOU CAN TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE LAW SAYS THERE FIRST. 
          SO THEN I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          UH, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, UM, DRILLING COMMISSIONER CHAIR COMPOSITE, I THINK IT'LL JUST TAKE A SH JUST SHOOT AN EMAIL TO OUR, OUR ATTORNEY ON DUTY TONIGHT, WHICH IS I THINK STEVEN MADDOX. 
          SO I WILL DO THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN IF THAT'S, THEN IF THAT IS THE, UM, FOR C2, FOR THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL, 
          [C.3. Appointment of a member to the Onion Creek and Localized Flooding Working Group (Sponsors Commissioner Aguirre and Commissioner King)]
THEN C3 APPOINTMENT OF A MEMBER OF TWO, THE ONION CREEK AND LOCALIZED FLOODING, WORKING GROUPS, SPONSORS, COMMISSIONER, GARY, AND COMMISSIONER KING. 
          AND CAN WE STAY HERE, GARY? I BELIEVE AT OUR LAST MEETING, COMMISSIONER SMITH WANTED TO JOIN THE WORK TRIP. 
          UH, SO I BELIEVE WE NEED A FORM MY LIFE THAT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR I GUESS I MOTION COMMISSIONER SMITH WOULD BE ALLOWED TO JOIN THE MEETING. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          YOU WERE GARBLED COMMISSIONER GEAR, UH, COMMISSIONER DINKLER. 
          WHOEVER WAS SPEAKING. 
          I WAS SIMPLY POINTING OUT TO THE CHAIR. 
          I THINK YOUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER KANE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND WHAT I WAS SECONDING WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT HANK SMITH COMMISSIONER SMITH BE ADDED TO OUR WORK GROUP ON LOCALIZED FLOODING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO MOTION BY, AND NOW I'VE COMPLETELY LOST IT. 
          COMMISSIONER GARY, AND THEN SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADDING COMMISSIONER SMITH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S ANIMIST. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          AND THAT IS IT FOR THAT THEN D FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, ARE THERE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO PLACE ON THE AGENDA AND DON'T BE BASHFUL AND DON'T BE SHY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN 
          [E. COMMITTEE REPORTS & WORKING GROUPS]
COMMITTEE REPORTS. 
          AND INSTEAD OF JUST GOING THROUGH AND WORKING GROUPS, INSTEAD OF JUST GOING THROUGH, ARE THERE ANY COMMITTEE REPORTS FROM ANY OF OUR JOINT, UH, JOINT COMMITTEES FIRST? I SEE NO COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT I WAS SAYING THAT, UH, WE HAVE A SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR 10:00 AM TOMORROW. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANKS. 
          AND ANY OTHER REPORTS, IF NOT THEN, AND, UM, THEN HAVE ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR EVENING AND SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS. 
          CHEER. 
          CHEER. 
          MAY I CLARIFY? I'M SORRY. 
          LET ME CLARIFY. 
          THE MEETING IS ACTUALLY NEXT WEDNESDAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS ONE WEEK OFF. 
          IT'S NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE NINTH. 
          SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IT'S SO IT'S, IT'S NO SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          IT'S NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE NINTH AT 10:00 AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. 
          [02:20:05]
NO, .
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