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SO THEY HAVE FULL HOUSE.

VERY NICE.

UH, I'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO

[Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order ]

ORDER AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, JANUARY 12TH.

UH, WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING AT 6:04 PM.

UH, AND WE'LL JUST DO A QUICK ROLL CALL.

UH, I'LL RUN THROUGH OUR NAMES HERE.

UM, WE HAVE MYSELF TUFTS, CHARLOTTE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR HEMPEL UM, AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS ANDERSON COMMISSIONERS, OUR COMMISSIONER CAUDALIE, COMMISSIONER FLORES, COMMISSIONER HOWARD COMMISSIONER, JOHN, THIS POLITO, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER COMMISSIONER SEAVER, WHO I GUESS RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T SEE YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER SEGER, UH, COMMISSIONER SHEA AND COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

NOW I CAN SEE A COMMISSIONER SEGER SO I COULD SEE YOU ALL.

UH, SO IN, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ABSENT AND, UH, EX-OFFICIO MEMBER, UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE, UH, DON LAYTON BURWELL, UH, BECAUSE, AND, UH, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, THE USUAL REMINDERS AT HERE, UH, RED, UH, THREE AND RED AND YELLOW ITEMS READY, UM, REMAIN MUTED WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING AND RAISE YOUR HAND TO BE RECOGNIZED, UH, FOR THE PARTICIPANTS OUT THERE, STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

AND IF YOUR ITEM IS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMAIN ON THE LINE.

YOU'LL RECEIVE AN EMAIL WHEN WE'RE ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM TAKING OUT THE ITEM.

UM, SO, UH, JUST RUN ME THROUGH THE FIRST

[Reading of the Agenda]

ITEM OF BUSINESS TODAY IS TO ESTABLISH THE CONSENT AGENDA.

AND THAT WILL INCLUDE A APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 22ND.

AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, CONSENT POSTPONEMENTS AND NON-DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND I'LL READ EACH ONE OF THOSE, UM, OUT LOUD.

WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE.

UM, ALSO TONIGHT, I JUST WANT TO GIVE FOLKS A HEADS UP HEADS UP.

UH, WE COULD SHORTEN THIS MEETING.

WE HAVE TWO ITEMS UNDER SECTION C THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PULL UP FOR CONSENT.

UM, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE AS PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL.

UH, SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL REVOTE VIEW THOSE JUST A SECOND.

SO MOVING THROUGH, UM, AGENDA ITEMS, BE UNDER THE BANNER, GO THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO WE HAVE ITEMS B ONE, A PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 2020 ZERO ZERO ZERO FIVE ZERO ONE MONTOPOLIS ACRES AND PA.

AND THIS IS A, UM, YEAH, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, BUT IT'S, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT REQUESTS TO JANUARY 26, APPLE COVENT APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE THE ACCOMPANYING REZONING B TO C 14 DASH 2020, THAT THERE'S ZERO TO NINE.

AND ON TOP OF THE SACRED IS REZONING A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR MP3 AND P.

AGAIN, WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT UNTIL JANUARY 26.

UH, APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT ITEM B THREE C 14 DASH 2020 ZERO ONE THREE FOUR 63 11 SOUTH FIRST STREET.

THIS ONE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT REQUESTED FOR FEBRUARY NIGHT.

THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT.

A STAFF IS RECOMMENDING RENT RECOMMENDING G R M U V C O M P AND A D FOR REZONING C 14 EIGHT 2020 ZERO 136.

ELLEN WHITE'S HOUSE, Y SAKERS Y SACRE.

UM, THIS ONE IS, UH, WE HAVE OWNER POSTPONEMENT UNTIL JANUARY 26, NO OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.

AND THIS IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, UH, B FIVE RE SUBDIVISION C EIGHT 2019 DASH SEVEN ZERO SIX SIX ZERO ZERO, A VR AND RESUB DIVISION.

THIS IS, UM, ON CONSENT AND IT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND A B6 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SPC 2020 ZERO TWO FIVE TWO C AND CUT SHOPPING CENTER, UM, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF

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AND ITS CONSENT.

THESE SEVEN IS A SUBDIVISION C EIGHT 2019 SEVEN ZERO FIVE SEVEN.ONE, A PEARSON RANCH WEST.

AND THIS IS, UH, STAFF DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS, UM, FOR STAFF REPORT IN AN EXHIBIT C, UH, MOVING ON TO B EIGHT FIVE, APPLY IT FROM APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN C A DASH 2018 ZERO ONE SIX FIVE, THAT TO A CASCADES, AND THEN GET THE CREATE PHASE TWO TO FINAL PLAT.

UM, BETH HAS THIS DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS, UH, PER THE STAFF REPORT AND EXHIBIT C AND THE LAST ITEM B NINE IS A SITE PLAN.

UH, ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANTS ONLY SP 2019 ZERO ZERO TWO SEVEN CT.

THAT'S 1514 WEST KOENEKE LAYING OFFICE BUILDING, AND THIS IS A GOING TO BE FOR DISCUSSION.

OH YEAH, FOR DISCUSSION.

AND IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND YES, I, IN THE AGENDA, WE DO A .

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I HAD TO BE 10, UH, WE HAVE RESET DIVISION, UH, C EIGHT DASH 2019 ZERO ONE EIGHT FIVE THAT A ARMADILLO PARKS AND STAFF HAS THIS DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, DISAPPROVED FOR REASONS PER STAFF REPORT AND EXHIBIT C.

SO, UM, JUST QUICKLY DO ANY COMMISSIONERS, UM, OR PARTICIPANTS WANT TO DO, UH, PULL FOR DISCUSSION ANY OF THESE ITEMS THAT I'VE READ FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

OKAY.

UM, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO THEN IS ALSO, IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR AGENDA COMMISSIONERS I'M C ONE AND C TWO.

YES.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO SEE ONE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, I'LL READ THIS OUT AS IT'S IN THE AGENDA, UH, DISCUSSING, CONSIDER MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL FOR ELECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO PROCEED WITH THE AMENDMENT REGARDING A MODIFIED SITE PLAN PROCESS INITIATED AND RESOLUTION NUMBER TWO (019) 022-1027 AFFORDABILITY UNLOCKED DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

UH, THESE WERE A SPONSORED POST SPONSORS BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND AZHAR, AND WE HAVE EXHIBIT A, UH, IS PART OF THE BACKUP.

UM, AND SO I'M PROPOSING THIS ON CONSENT AND WE CAN READ THIS INTO THE AGENDA IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THIS TO BE READ, UH, IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH FOR THE EXHIBIT, A, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO BE, TO READ I'M LOOKING AROUND ANYBODY.

OKAY.

CAN I ASK I'M SORRY.

I CAN'T ACTUALLY, YEAH.

SO, UH, I WOULD PROBABLY ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER AZHAR OR, UH, ANDERSON TO READ THIS.

IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THREE MINUTES, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH THE TIME JUST TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD IF A COMMISSIONER SO WANT, OKAY, SO A COMMISSIONER'S ANDERSON OR AZHAR CAN ONE OF YOU WITH THE, IF YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU, WOULD YOU MIND READING THIS? UM, SURE.

I CAN DO THAT.

SO THIS IS A MOTION, UM, EXECUTIVE REVISED EXHIBIT EIGHT MOTION TO FORWARD RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER, TO PROCEED WITH THE AMENDMENTS REGARDING A MODIFIED SIPHON PROCESS INITIATING RESOLUTION DO DO, DO ONE DASH OH TWO SEVEN AFFORDABILITY UNLOCKED DENSITY BARNES PROGRAM IN THE CASE OF DEVELOPMENTS, PARTICIPATING IN AFFORDABILITY AND OFF PROGRAM THE COUNCIL IN DANCE FOR THIS PROGRAM TO REQUIRE A MODIFIED SIPHONED PROCESS THAT MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES RESIDENTIAL SITE PLAN WHILE STILL ADDRESSING HEALTH AND SAFETY AND ADDRESS JANET IN THE SAME WAY THAT DRAINAGE IS ADDRESSED AND REVIEWED FOR MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES WOULD THE SAME IN COVER, INCLUDING ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO FEE SCHEDULE AS NECESSARY OR DEVELOPMENTS WITH 12 OR FEWER UNITS.

AND THE STUMPS FROM BEING SIX TO SEVEN OF THE COMMISSION RESOLUTION, IF A DEVELOPMENT, ALL OF THE PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS.

BUT IN ADDITION HAS BETWEEN 75% AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ITS UNITS RATES AFFORDABLE AS DEFINED ABOVE AT LEAST 50% OF THE AFFORDABLE UNITS

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HAVE TWO OR MORE BEDROOMS, AT LEAST 10% OF THE AFFORDABLE UNITS SERVE HOUSEHOLDS WITH INCOMES 30% AND THE FIVE OR THE MIDDLE, OR IS LOCATED WITHIN A QUARTER MILE WITHIN IMAGINE AWESOME CORRIDOR THAT IS SERVED BY THE TRANSIT LINE.

THEN IN ADDITION TO THE BONUSES DESCRIBED ABOVE DEVELOPMENT, THAT SORT OF REQUIRE A MODIFIED SIDEBAND PROCESS.

THE MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES RESIDENTIAL SITES PLAN WHILE STILL ADDRESSING HEALTH AND SAFETY AND ADDRESSING IN THE SAME WAY THAT DRAINAGE IS ADDRESSED FOR NON MOTHER FAMILY STRUCTURES FOR THE SAME GOVERNOR, INCLUDING ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO FEE SCHEDULE AS NECESSARY FOR DEVELOPMENTS WITH 16, OR COME FROM PAGE EIGHT OF THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION.

SO, UH, WE'RE NOT HAVING A DISCUSSION, BUT IF ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL THIS FORWARD DISCUSSION, UH, WE CAN DO THAT.

SO, SO I'M SEEING, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER.

AND, UM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PULL THIS FOR DISCUSSION BECAUSE I JUST HAD, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE'RE APPROVING.

I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THIS NEEDS TO GO TO DISCUSSION, BUT W TH TH SO MY QUESTION IS, UH, I THINK I'M READING THIS RIGHT IN THE, FOR EXHIBIT A, OUR MOTION IS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PROCEED WITH THE AMENDMENTS, THE LANGUAGE THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER IS, ARE JUST READ STARTING WITH IN THE CASE OF DEVELOPMENTS PARTICIPATING, THAT WAS JUST RESTATING WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, AFFORDABILITY UNLOCKED DOCUMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THIS COUNCIL PASSED THIS IN, UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS GOT ROLLED INTO A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT'S IN LIMBO.

AND SO THIS IS JUST GOING TO TAKE THIS LITTLE PIECE, BRING IT BACK TO US.

SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU'RE THAT LOOKING TO PASS TODAY THAT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US.

NOTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS BEFORE SOMETHING COMES BACK TO US OTHER THAN IT GETTING READY AND PRESENTABLE.

AND SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON WHEN IT COMES BACK.

AND WE CAN GET THIS TO WHERE WE CAN GET THOSE TYPES OF UNITS ON THE GROUND.

RIGHT.

SO PROCESS, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, YOU'RE SAYING THIS WOULD, UH, SO THIS RESOLUTION WITH GO TO COUNCIL, BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL, UH, ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.

AFTER THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WOULD NOW GO TO STAFF AND STAFF WOULD, BUT THIS IN WRITING AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO US AND WE'D PASS IT.

AND THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL THAT CONSIDERATION.

OKAY.

IS THAT, UH, CLEARLY, IS THAT THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN? DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT? OKAY, SO, UH, THE COMMISSIONER SHINER, SO, UH, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S GREAT.

AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

UH, BUT TO MY INITIAL QUESTION, JUST THE LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT OUTLINES THE SPECIFICITIES OF THE PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS THAT'S ALREADY IN THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT WE'RE CREATING WITH THIS.

GREAT.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

OKAY.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

SO ARE WE GOOD? CAUSE IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE THIS TO DISCUSSION.

I REALLY, WE CAN'T REALLY, UH, DISCUSS THIS ANYMORE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO AS IS, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, IF THERE'S, UH, ITEM C1 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND WE'VE READ THAT INTO THE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AZHAR.

UH, THE SECOND ITEM IS, UH, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, WE HAVE A VACANCY ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, IF, UH, COMMISSIONER SNYDER WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE IN THAT ROLE.

AND THE REASON IS, UH, CON WE, UH, COMMISSIONER SNYDER AND I HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, STAFF REGARDING THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING STUDY.

AND, UH, I HAVE, UH, I'M GOING TO, UH, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FLORES IS, UH, APPROVAL.

UH, SHE SUPPORTED IT, HAVE THAT PUT ON OUR AGENDA FOR COMPETENCE APPLY IN TOY COMMITTEE.

AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TO ROLL SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT STUDY INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND SO I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER SNYDER'S HELP IN AN AREA THAT HE HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN WOULD BE VERY USEFUL ON THAT COMMITTEE.

SO MR. SNYDER, ARE YOU, ARE YOU WILLING TO JOIN US ON A CONFERENCE OF PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE? UH, YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION IS SORT OF DONE ITS, UH, AROUND REVISING THE CLIMATE PLAN AND SO THINGS HAVE SLOWED DOWN THERE.

AND IN FACT, IF, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO TAKE ON THAT, UH,

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THAT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO EASE INTO SOMETHING, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SERVE IN THIS ROLE AS WELL.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SO I GET, I THINK A, UM, NOMINATION AND WE CAN JUST WE'LL ROLL THIS ITEM C2 FOR COMMISSIONER SNYDER, UH, TO, UM, NOT WELL NOMINATE AND RECOMMEND, UH, MINISTER SNYDER TO COUNCIL TO SERVE ON THE CONFERENCE GLAND JOINT COMMITTEE.

SO THAT'LL BE ADDED ITEM C2 TO THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.

DO I HAVE ANY, ANY CONCERNS? YES.

HAPPY TO SUPPORT THINGS I DO.

AND REMIND EVERYONE.

I KNOW THAT THE DISTRICT TWO SEAT HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR A LITTLE WHILE, UM, FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS NOW.

SO WHEN THAT ROLE IS FILLED BY INCOMING OR NOW PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBERS POINT SAYS, UM, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO TIME AT THAT POINT FOR US TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT DUTIES WE CAN KIND OF SHARE.

AND AT THAT POINT, YES, I THINK THERE ARE NO FLIPPING SEATS RIGHT NOW.

SO YEAH.

SO I THINK THERE'LL BE SOME VARIOUS, UH, THAT WE CAN SHARE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WILL, UH, POINT WELL-TAKEN.

UM, OKAY.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING

[Consent Agenda]

TO QUICKLY REVIEW THE CONSENT AGENDA.

AND ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE A SHORT MEETING, SO THIS, THIS IS A GOOD THING.

SO LET ME GO BACK THROUGH, SO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WE HAVE THE DECEMBER 22ND MINUTES.

UH, I DIDN'T ASK THAT.

UH, BUT DOES ANYBODY WE'RE GOOD WITH THE MINUTES? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THOSE MINUTES HEARING NONE? UH, SO WE HAVE THE DECEMBER 22ND MINUTES ON CONSENT.

WE HAVE ITEMS B ONE B TWO B THREE, B FOUR, B FIVE AND B SIX, THE SEVEN, THE EIGHT B NINE IS DISCUSSION.

AND THE 10 IS, YEAH, THAT'LL STAY ON CONSENT.

AND THEN WE HAVE ITEM C1 AND C2 ALSO ON CONSENT.

SO WITH THAT, CAN I HAVE A, OH, SORRY, JUST FOR CLARITY THAT THOSE ARE THE POSTPONEMENTS THAT WE'D ALREADY DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.

YES.

OKAY.

AND I NEED TO, SORRY, I FORGOT THIS.

SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY RECUSALS RELATED TO THE, UH, ITEMS THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE.

OKAY.

SO DO I HAVE A SECOND, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT.

I SEE CONDITIONERS, SHEA, UH, AND COMMISSIONER, UM, STEGER WITH THE SECOND.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND LOOKING.

WE HAVE ALL RIGHT.

UH, THAT'S A CONDITIONER DESIRE.

COULD YOU SHARE YOURS ONE MORE TIME WAS A LITTLE, OKAY.

ANANYMOUS THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'VE CLEARED THAT ITEM.

WE'RE READY FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH WE HAVE ONE MISSY VAIN, A B

[B9. Site Plan (Environmental Variance Only): SP-2019-0027CT - 1514 W Koenig Lane Office Building; District 7 ]

NINE.

SO WE'LL START WITH THE STAFF PRESENTATION IF THEY'RE READY.

SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING YET STAFF YOU THERE.

I APOLOGIZE.

I WAS HAVING SENSE.

THIS IS MY MCDOUGALL.

I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE IT SOME, SOME PROBLEMS WITH, WITH MY PHONE.

I RECONCILED THOSE.

UM, I, I LOST AUDIO MOMENTARILY.

UM, I BELIEVE I NEED TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WITH MY PRESENTATION.

SO I, I WILL DO THAT.

GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS MIKE DIBBLE, ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY PROGRAM MANAGER WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

THE NAME OF THIS PROJECT IS 1514 WEST CANYON LANE OFFICE BUILDING.

AND THE ADDRESS IS 15 POINT 1514 WEST KANICK LANE.

THE CASE NUMBER IS SP 2019 ZERO ZERO TWO SEVEN.

CT.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED ON CANDY LANE BETWEEN BURNET ROAD AND LAMAR BOULEVARD.

THE PROPERTIES IN THE SHOAL CREEK WATERSHED, WHICH IS CLASSIFIED AS AN URBAN WATERSHED.

IT IS NOT LOCATED OVER THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE THEM.

AND THIS PROJECT IS SUBJECT CURRENT CODE.

THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN A CRITICAL WATER PLAY ZONE.

AND WITHIN THE FULLY DEVELOPED 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, THE SITE HAS VERY LITTLE TIP GRAPHIC CHANGE, AND THE AVERAGE SLOPE IS LESS THAN 2%.

CURRENTLY.

THE 0.166 ACRE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUILT IN 1952, AND THERE IS NO WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND TO CONSTRUCT AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS.

YASSIN HAS WORKED TO STAY WITHIN THE 70% ZONING AND

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PURCHASE COVERED LIMIT BY REDUCING THE PROPOSED PARKING.

THE CURRENT LEVEL OF IMPERVIOUS COVERS APPROXIMATELY 36% AND THEIR PROS, THE PERVIOUS COVER IS 70% FOR COMPARISON ADJACENT PROPERTIES ON CANDY LANE.

HAVEN'T PURCHASED COVERS RANGING FROM 19% TO 91%.

THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTS AN UNSUITABLE USE ALONG THIS PORTION OF CANIK LANE.

AND THE PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING PROJECT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENT ON KANICK LANE, SPECIFICALLY MANY OTHER PROPERTIES SPRINTING.

THIS SEGMENT OF KENNY LANE HAS BEEN CONVERTED FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO COMMERCIAL USE.

ADDITIONALLY, SINCE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO REDESIGN THE PRICE, TO AVOID CONSTRUCTION IN THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.

SO WE NEED THAT WOULD FACILITATE A USE OTHER THAN SEEING A FAMILY WOULD REQUIRE CONSTRUCTION IN THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.

THEREFORE, THE PROPERTY CANNOT BE REASONABLY DEVELOPED WITHOUT CONSTRUCTION IN THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.

YESTERDAY, APPLICANT IS SEEKING A LAND USE COMMISSION DURING ITS TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 25, 82 61 TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION IN THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY SIDE.

HOWEVER, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE FINDINGS OF FACT HAVE NOT BEEN MET FOR THREE REASONS.

FIRST, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IS INCREASING FROM APPROXIMATELY 36% TO 70% AND THE POLLUTANT LOAD WILL INCREASE WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED PROJECT REPRESENTS A DESIGN DECISIONS.

IT DOES NOT PROVIDE GREATER OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION THAN AS ACHIEVABLE WITHOUT THE VARIANCE.

SECOND, THE PROJECT CREATES A SIGNIFICANT PROBABILITY OF HARMFUL ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES DUE TO THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS COVER.

AND THIRD, THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE DURANCE WILL NOT RESULT IN WATER QUALITY IS AT LEAST EQUAL TO WATER QUALITY ACHIEVEMENT WITHOUT THE VARIANCE.

THEREFORE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE.

HOWEVER, PLEASE NOTE THE STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED FOUR OPTIONS FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THE FOUR OPTIONS OFFER PURE CONSIDERATION ARE FIRST AS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED DENIAL OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCE BASED ON STAFF'S FINDINGS OF FACT, SECOND APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT IN THE BACKUP AS POSTED.

THIS DOES NOT ACHIEVE EQUIVALENT AND POLLUTANT LOADING TO WHAT IS GENERATED BY THE SITE TODAY.

THIRD APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITION TO THE APP CAN ACHIEVE A POLLUTANT LETTER EQUIVALENT TO WHAT EXISTS ON THE SITE TODAY WITH THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER.

AND THE FOURTH OPTION FOR CONSIDERATION IS TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE THE REQUIRED WATER QUALITY VOLUME FOR ALL NEW AND REDEVELOPED IMPERVIOUS COVER.

AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO REPEAT THESE FOUR OPTIONS IF NECESSARY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ON THE SPEAKERS, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT WE HAVE, I BELIEVE JOEL LEVINE, A STAR SIX GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOEL LEVINE.

I'M CURRENTLY THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF 1514 WEST CANING.

UM, I CURRENTLY OWN A, UH, A SMALL LAW FIRM AND I ACTUALLY OFFICE ACROSS THE STREET AT 1515 WEST CANAAN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON KENDIG AND WITNESSED THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH OF KANICK LANE AND BURNETT AREA.

UH, AND I'VE, UH, REALLY DESIRED TO BUILD A, UH, AN OFFICE FOR MY LAW FIRM OF MY OWN.

UH, THE CURRENT USE OF 1514 K NEG IS DESIGNATED AS FOR RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S CURRENTLY A SMALL 1000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO BEDROOM HOUSE.

UH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT USABLE FOR, FOR AN OFFICE.

UH, THE STRETCH OF CANADA LANE, UM, IS NOT SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTS.

IT'S SURROUNDED BY MANY, MANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES UP AND DOWN THE STREET.

UM, I'M WILLING TO DEVOTE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES NECESSARY, UH, FOR BUILDING THAT COMPLIES WITH THE CURRENT FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS, UH, AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY IN THAT REGARD.

UM, OVERALL, UH, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LOVE THE PEOPLE.

MANY OF THE, MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, IN THE, IN THE AREA ARE CLIENTS OF THE LAW FIRM.

UH, AND I REALLY WANT TO CREATE A VIBRANT PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED OFFICE BUILDING ON CANUCK LAKE.

I CAN'T EXPLAIN.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT THE PROJECT, UH, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.

UM, AND, UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

YEAH.

UM, PAULA JONES, THANK YOU.

UH, MR. LEVINE, UH, APOLOGIZE FOR THIS.

THE APPLICANT'S REP ACTUALLY, UM, I HAVE A SPEAKERS LIST CONFUSED.

UH, KATIE CAM, ARE YOU THERE START SAYING, SEND ME AND THIS IS KATIE, PAM.

THANK YOU.

AND APOLOGIES FOR TAKING YOU OUT OF ORDER.

HELLO?

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YES.

YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, JUST, UH, I, UM, I WOULD JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, I'LL GET THE SIX MINUTES TIME ALLOTMENT.

YES.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SIX MINUTES, MY, MY FAULT.

OKAY.

NO PROBLEM.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, OKAY, SO GRAND GET STARTED.

YES, PLEASE START.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S START.

ALL RIGHT.

SO HELLO.

MY NAME IS KATIE CAM AND I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE SITE PLAN PROPOSED FOR 15, 14 KANICK LANE.

UH, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DESCRIBED WITH THE CORRIDORS, LIKE ON THIS FIRST SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

UH, THE BUILDING DOES NOT COMPLY WITH CURRENT FLOOD PLAIN REGULATIONS FOR FINISHED FLOOR.

ELEVATION DOES NOT HAVE WATER QUALITY CONTROLS OR DETENTION ON THE RIGHT.

YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING.

UM, AND AS PHIL MENTIONED, IT'S A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED OFFICE BUILDING AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO INTENTION AND WATER QUALITY CONTROLS.

NEXT ONE.

SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE TO BE ELEVATED ABOVE THE FLOOD.

PLAIN OUT OF PARKING DECK WILL BE ELEVATED BY THE FLOOD PLAIN ELEVATION, AND THEN THE BUILDING WILL BE ELEVATED ANOTHER TWO FEET.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS A IMAGE OF THE CREEK THAT IN THE SUBJECT OF THIS CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE, AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THE CRITICAL AUTEURISM WATER QUALITY ZONE IS A ROADWAY PAVEMENT, UH, NEXT SIDE, AND AS MENTIONED IN STAFF PRESENTATION, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER AND, UH, NEAR THIS PROPERTY, ISN'T, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S PROPOSED TO THE SITE.

SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE THE, THE MAXIMUM 70% IMPERVIOUS COVER ALLOWED BY ZONING.

AND THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES NEARBY THAT ARE AT, THAT ARE HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS COVER.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS PROJECT IS INTERESTING AND THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME CONFLICTING CODE REGULATIONS ON THE ONE HAND WATER QUALITY CONTROLS ARE NOT REQUIRED IF THERE'S LESS THAN 8,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, AND THEN ALSO THE CODE PROHIBITS WATER QUALITY CONTROLS.

IF THEY'RE IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, AND THIS IS OUR SIGHTS AS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PART OF THE CODE THAT REQUIRES WATER QUALITY TO BE AT LEAST EQUAL TO THE WATER QUALITY ACHIEVABLE.

AND SO WE PROPOSED WATER QUALITY CONTROLS AT FIRST TO MEET, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE PROVIDE GREATER OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

UM, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING SEVERAL MESSES STAFFING.

AND THEN WHEN WE WENT TO NOVEMBER COMMISSION, WE'VE JUST BEEN KIND OF FIGURING OUT WHAT IS THE WATER QUALITY GOAL FOR THE SITE AND HOW CAN WE MEET IT? SO WE PROPOSED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETINGS, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA MANUALS REQUIREMENTS FOR TREATMENT OF WATER QUALITY VOLUME.

UH, STAFF MENTIONED THE PR PRESENTATION, UH, WHO'S LOADING, BUT THE WAY WE APPROACHED IT WAS WHAT THE IMPERVIOUS COVERS THAT WE'RE CAPTURING WATER QUALITY VOLUMES, ACCORDING TO THE ECM.

UM, THEY WERE USING AN, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME INTERNAL SPREADSHEET THAT DIDN'T ALIGN QUITE WELL WITH THE ECM.

UH, WE PROVIDE A GREATER OVERALL ENVIRONMENT, SO CREDIT PROTECTION, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH, YOU SHOULD SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, A PLAN VIEW OF THE PROJECT.

AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE WHERE THE BLUE ARROW IS POINTING.

THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE RANGE SISTER PROPOSED FOR BOTH CAPTURING WATER QUALITY VOLUME, AND ALSO THE DETENTION.

AND THEN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE WHERE THOSE TWO THREES ARE, IS WHERE WE WOULD, UM, IRRIGATE WITH THE WATER QUALITY VOLUME.

AND, UH, SO THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IN ADDITION, WE PROPOSE A PARKING DECK THAT DOES NOT DRAIN DIRECTLY TO COUNTERCLAIM, BUT INSTEAD DRAINS TO A, UH, PERVIOUS AREA, WHICH ALLOWS FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFILTRATION TO HAPPEN.

SO THAT'S THAT GREEN AREA THAT YOU SEE ON THE SITE PLAN.

NEXT SLIDE, HERE'S A SIDE VIEW THAT SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE RAIN CISTERNS BEHIND THE BUILDING.

SO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE BUILDING ROOF WILL, UH, THE WATER QUALITY VOLUME OFF THE BUILDING ROOF WILL BE CAPTURED AND IT GOES TO THE RAIN CISTERN AND THEN THE, UH, DETENTION OR THE OTHER TWO SYSTEMS THAT YOU SEE THERE THE NEXT SIDE.

SO, UM, AS YOU DON'T FOUND THE BACKUP ENVIRONMENTS COMMISSION DIDN'T IMPROVE IT.

SO WE DECIDED TO KEEP WORKING WITH STAFF TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO THE SITE, UM, TO MAKE THIS ACCEPTABLE TO STAFF.

AND OF COURSE THE, ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE KEPT TALKING WITH STAFF AND WITH THE TEAM WHEN WE DECIDED TO EXCEED THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA ROLE REQUIREMENTS FOR TREATMENT SO THAT THE WATER QUALITY IS EVEN BETTER THAN EXISTING CONDITION.

UH, SO IN OTHER WORDS, BEING TREATED AND PREVIOUS COVER IS HIGHER AND EXISTING CONDITIONS THAN IN PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, UH, YOU'LL SEE FROM THIS PLAN VIEW THAT WHAT WE DID IS WE EXTENDED THE BUILDING OR SECRETE A CARPORT ROOF.

SO WE CAN CAPTURE THE RAINFALL OVER THIS IMPERVIOUS COVER AND TREAT THAT AND SEND THAT OVER TO THE RAIN SISTER.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE WITH THAT YELLOW ARROW IS POINTING TO, AND AGAIN, WE WILL KEEP THE PERVIOUS AREA THAT WOULD BE DISCONNECT, UH, DISCONNECT THE PARKING DECK FROM CANDIDLY TO ALLOW FOR INFILTRATION THERE.

I'LL ALSO ADD THAT WHEREVER THERE WAS ANYTHING ON THE GROUND, WHICH IS NOT MUCH, WE DO PROPOSE

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FORCE MATERIALS, SUCH AS METAL GRADING OR POROUS PAVEMENT.

UM, THEY'RE VERY, VERY SMALL AREAS, BUT WE ARE DOING THAT TOO.

HERE'S A SIDE VIEW SHOWING THAT WHERE, UH, WHERE THE YELLOW ARROW IS, IS WHERE THE CARPORT ROOF WOULD GO, UH, OVER THOSE THREE PARKING SPACES AND HERE, UH, I'M SORRY, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THE NEXT SLIDE SHOULD SHOW THE TWO SITE PLANS SIDE BY SIDE ON THE LEFT.

IT SAYS THE PROPOSAL THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSAL FOR THE PLANET COMMISSION.

SO THAT SHOULD BE THE SLIDE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE TWO SITE PLANS ARE A, IS A TABLE THAT SHOWS THAT SO IS THE ACTUAL NUMBERS.

SO UNDER THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE SUBMITTING TO YOU ALL, UH, THE ENTRIES IN PREVIOUS COVERS, UH, 1913 FOR FEET AND THE ENTRY AND PREVIOUS COVER IN EXISTING CONDITIONS IS 2399.

SO WE ARE GREATLY EXCEEDING ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS HERE OVER TREATING MUCH MORE SO THAT WE ARE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, UH, THE LOT BEING COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED AND, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITION.

SO THIS IS DEFINITELY BETTER ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

SO NEXT SLIDE, UH, THERE'S TOSSING IT.

SO NEXT DOOR Y'ALL ACTUALLY LOOK AT A PROJECT AT 15, 12 ST.

UGLINESS EAST, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A NEW PARKING LOT AND DRIVEWAY.

THEY PROPOSE SOME WATER QUALITY CONTROLS.

WELL, NEXT SLIDE IS A SUMMARY SLIDE AND THAT DOES IT.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, I HAVE SOME OTHER NAMES HERE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE JUST SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT.

SO WE HAVE NO, UH, SPEAKERS, UH, FOR AN OPPOSITION.

UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO OUR, UM, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONER SNYDER, SECONDED BY MR. SHEA.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE YOUR CARDS.

UH, OKAY.

WE HAVE, UH, UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE HAVE EIGHT SLOTS, FIVE MINUTES EACH.

UM, QUESTIONS.

ANYONE? CAN I SHOOT HER A VICE-CHAIR HEMPHILL? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MIKE ON THE, UM, ARE YOU THERE MR. MCDOUGAL? YES, MA'AM I'M HERE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

SO YOU PRESENTED FOR WAYS THAT THE COMMISSION COULD VOTE AND I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION THREE WAS, UM, APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH CONDITIONS OF, UM, THE REDUCING THE POLLUTANTS AND KEEPING THE SAME, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OR, UH, THE APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE WATER QUALITY VOLUME, UM, AS, AS NEW, SORRY, MY NOTES AREN'T THAT GREAT, BUT YOU, YOU HAD TWO SEPARATE OPTIONS AND ON THREE AND FOUR, AND I'M WONDERING WHY, WHY COULDN'T THOSE OPTIONS BE COMBINED? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

UM, I LET'S SEE I'LL REREAD THESE OPTIONS AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS THEM.

THE THIRD OPTION WAS TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE ASK AND ACHIEVE A POLLUTANT EQUIVALENT TO WHAT EXISTS ON SITE TODAY WITH THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF PERVIOUS COVER.

SO, SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS BASICALLY THEY WOULD, UM, PROVIDE A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF WATER QUALITY, ESPECIALLY THE POLLUTANT LOAD AFTER THE POST PROJECT IS DONE MATCHES THE CURRENT POLLUTANT LOAD.

AND THE FOURTH OPTION IS TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE OF THE CONDITION OF THE THEM PROVIDE A WATER QUALITY VOLUME FOR ALL NEW AND REDEVELOPED AND FERGUS COVER.

AND, UM, I THINK I WOULD NEED TO DEFER TO CHRIS HARRINGTON, THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER TO, UH, TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THIS, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UM, THE FOURTH OPTION WOULD ENCOMPASS THE THIRD OPTION.

IT WOULD JUST GO FURTHER BY TREATING ALL THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THIS SITE.

SO, SO YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY LOOK AT THE THIRD OPTION AS PROVIDING, UH, THE SAME AMOUNT OF, UM, POLLUTANT REDUCTION AS, UH, AS IT WOULD BE RIGHT NOW.

UH, SO POST CONSTRUCTION CONDITIONS MATCH CURRENT CONDITIONS WITH RICARDO LOAD AND THE FOURTH OPTION WOULD BE TO PROVIDE, UH, SUFFICIENT POLLUTANT OR WATER QUALITY SUCH THAT ALL IMPROVE IS COVERED IN THE SITE IS TREATED.

SO IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF, UM, HOW MUCH WATER QUALITY WOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE, IN THE, IN THOSE TWO OPTIONS.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

DO YOU, UM, WITH THE, THE, THE UPDATED PLAN PROPOSAL, UM, THAT, THAT, UM,

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THE APPLICANT JUST WENT OVER, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAS, HAS REVIEWED THAT AND IF, IF THE UPDATED PLAN MEETS EITHER OPTION THROUGH YOUR OPTIONS FOR, YEAH.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND THANK YOU.

THAT'S SOMETHING I ACTUALLY HAD WANTED TO SPEAK TO.

UM, SO THE CARPORT GROUP WAS NOT IN THE MOST RECENT SUBMITTED PLANTS AS IT STAFF REVIEWED, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY, UM, WHAT COULD BE DONE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD, WOULD, UH, WOULD SUPPORT IT IS TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITION, UM, UM, THAT THEY BASICALLY PROVIDE THE WATER AND THAT CARPORT ROOF COULD POSSIBLY BE A ROUTE TO ACHIEVE THAT.

UM, SO ESSENTIALLY APPROVE THE, YOU KNOW, TH THE VARIANCE REQUEST, UH, WITH THE WATERFALL QUALITY TREATMENTS BEING REQUIRED.

OKAY.

I HIT IT TWICE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER SHADE.

OKAY.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

MAYBE KATIE CAN HELP, UM, AND IT KIND OF FOLLOWS ALONG WITH WHAT, UM, UH, BASHIR HEMPEL, UH, WAS TALKING ABOUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE STAFF IS BASICALLY GIVING US FOUR OPTIONS AND NOW I'VE BEEN KIND OF GOING THROUGH, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE OPTION THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US, IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT THOSE FOUR MODELS BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO EXCEED THE WATER QUALITY.

SO AS FAR AS YOUR GLUTEN LOAD, YOU'RE NOT JUST DOING EQUAL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXCEEDING THAT.

AND IF WE'RE EXCEEDING THE WATER QUALITY, UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS FOR, UH, DETENTION AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN FOR, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, YOU YOU'RE FINDING INNOVATION, UH, IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE 70%, UM, YOU'RE GOING UP FROM 30% OF THE 70%, BUT YOU HAVE INNOVATION GOING ON WITH POROUS MATERIALS.

YOU HAVE THE ELEVATED STRUCTURE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

AND, UH, KATIE, IF YOU CAN HELP ME, UM, SOME TYPE OF MOTION THAT CAN CAPTURE WHAT YOU PRESENTED THAT PUTS THESE INNOVATIONS IN IT, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, EXCEEDING THE WATER QUALITY.

UM, CAN YOU HELP US WITH THAT? KIND OF, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I SEE THREE POINTS, YOU KNOW, TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU EXCEED, THE WATER QUALITY THAT YOU HAVE, UH, I GUESS THE ELEVATED, STRUCK PICTURES, UM, AND THE POOREST, UH, YOU KNOW, USING, UH, MATERIALS WHERE POSSIBLE, I MEAN, CAN YOU HELP US WITH THAT? HI, THIS IS KATIE Y'ALL CAN HEAR ME.

OKAY.

YES.

DO YOU HEAR ME? DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THIS IS KATIE.

UM, SO, UH, WELL, I'M, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO START.

SO, UH, DO YOU LIKE THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED HERE TO PLANNING COMMISSION? UM, I GUESS, LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCREPANCY AND DETERMINING, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THIS SITE CAN, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE EQUAL WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.

SO THERE'S ONE WAY OF DOING IT IS TO CAPTURE THE WATER QUALITY VOLUME AS REQUIRED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA MANUAL.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE TO DETERMINE THAT WE NEED TO EXCEED.

UM, THERE'S A SEPARATE WAY OF DOING IT.

UM, IT HAS TO DO, I MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION WITH A SPREADSHEET THAT ACTUALLY DETERMINES THE ACTUAL POLLUTANT LOADINGS, UM, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE TWO, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE KIND OF HEARING A DISCREPANCY, BUT NOT TO GET LOST INTO THE WEEDS.

AND, AND THAT, UH, TO, UM, GET TO YOUR QUESTION.

UM, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE, THE TEAM ON WHAT WE'LL, WE, WE KIND OF HAD A MOVING TARGET.

WE WEREN'T QUITE SURE ON WHAT WE COULD DO TO SECURE A POSITIVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

AND WE THOUGHT BY MEETING, BY CAPTURING THE WATER QUALITY VOLUME SUCH THAT WE'RE TREATING, BEING PREVIOUS COVERED TO THE POINT THAT THE ONLY IMPERVIOUS COVER LEFT THAT IS NOT TREATED IS EQUIVALENT TO THE IMPERVIOUS COVER OF THE EXISTING SITE.

UM, SO WHEN WE TRIED THAT ROUTE, IT DIDN'T GET THE POSITIVE STUFF RECOMMENDATION OR THE POSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

SO THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED TO, TO GO OVER AND TREAT MORE, UM, AND PREVIOUS COVER, UM, SO THAT THE REMAINING OF PERVIOUS COVER THAT'S NOT TREATED IS, UM, IS LESS

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THAN EXISTING CONDITION.

SO PROBABLY FOR THE WORDING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, I MEAN, UM, STAFF WOULD NEED A TIME ON, THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER TREATED, UM, IS, UH, LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO THE IMPERVIOUS COVER OF EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVER.

SO THAT'S ONE WAY OF DOING IT.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TOTALLY FINE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER WE CAN FIT COURSE MATERIALS, WE WILL, UM, NOT EVERYTHING'S ON THE GROUND, SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UM, APPLY TO EVERYTHING.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNING THE PARKING DECK TO DRAIN TO THE PREVIOUS AREA, THAT'S, THAT'S A GIVEN, THAT'S BEEN IN THE SITE PLAN SINCE THE BEGINNING.

THE ONLY THING IS SOME OF THAT CAN'T BE PUT INTO EMOTION, RIGHT.

BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT WE CAN DO, SO IT'S ALL PERFORMANCE BASED.

SO I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE REASON YOU DID, FOR INSTANCE, A CAR PORT STRUCTURE, WAS TO INCREASE THE, UH, WATER QUALITY, UM, PERFORMANCE.

RIGHT.

UM, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS, I GUESS, SOME TERM TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THOSE ARE THE TOOLS THAT YOU'VE DONE TO, UH, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

SO IF WE DID, FOR INSTANCE, THERE IS NUMBER FOUR CHOICE, WOULD THAT DO IT BECAUSE IT'S TRADING ALL OF IT OR WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE LIKE COMMISSIONER HANDBALL WAS SAYING ABOUT THE, UM, A HYBRID BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR.

OKAY.

SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY TO CONTINUE THIS, UH, KIND OF THOUGHT, TRYING TO HAMMER OUT OF THEIR, UH, NOTION HERE.

SOME QUESTIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE ALONG THE LINE OF WHAT COMMISSIONER SHADE WAS GOING AT, UM, BEING A NON-PROFESSIONAL AND, UM, NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS THAT ARE USED TO DETERMINE, SAY THE POLLUTANT LOAD AND, UH, THE RUNOFF FACTORS, ET CETERA.

I GUESS I JUST HAVE SOME REAL DIRECT QUESTIONS IN THE CURRENT PLAN, WHICH IS MODIFIED FROM WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.

DOES THIS NEW PLAN EXCEED THE CURRENT WATER QUALITY CONTROLS? AND WE KNOW THAT IT DOES THAT IT EXCEEDS THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.

DOES THAT INTERFERE WITH WORKING OUT A RESOLUTION? I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING MYSELF VERY CLEAR, BUT I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AS TO WE HAVE STAFF SAYING IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANTS SAYING IT DOES MEET IT.

AND THIS IS HOW THERE SEEMS TO BE A DISCONNECT.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN IT IN REALLY PLAIN TERMS, MR. MCDOUGAL? OKAY.

YES.

COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

UM, I WOULD NEED TO DEFER TO CHRIS HARRINGTON TO, TO GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THE ENGINEERING ON THIS.

UM, I'M SEEING, UH, IN THE HUMAN CONDITION, COMMUNICATION ON MY COMPUTER, THAT HE IS HAVING SOME PROBLEMS, UH, BEING HEARD.

I THINK HE SAID HE WOULD CHIME IN, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT IF HE, IF HE'S ACTUALLY GETTING THROUGH, UM, WHILE YES.

THANK YOU, CHRIS.

UH, YEAH.

THANK YOU, MIKE, CHRIS HARRINGTON, ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKING, UM, AND WHAT THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONING WAS, OPTION FOUR IS TREATING ALL OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.

SO AS THE APPLICANT JUST INDICATED, EVEN WITH THIS NEWEST PROPOSAL, AND I DO WANT TO REITERATE WHAT MR. MCDOUGALL INDICATED WE HAVE NOT FORMALLY REVIEWED THIS PROPOSAL.

THIS WAS NOT WHAT WAS CONSIDERED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

WHAT I THINK IS THAT SHE IS PROBABLY OFFERING SOMETHING BETWEEN OPTION THREE AND OPTION FOUR WITH WHAT SHE HAS INDICATED THERE.

SO IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY AN INCREASE IN TREATMENT, UM, A REDUCTION IN GLUTEN LOADING FROM WHAT IS ON COMING OFF THE SITE TODAY, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE TREATING ALL OF THE, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT IS ZOO OR BEING REDEVELOPED, WHICH WOULD BE THE OPTION FOR THAT.

MR. INDICATED.

SO WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION, THEY COULD REDEVELOP THE SITE, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT FOR ALL NEW AND A REDEVELOPED IMPERVIOUS COVER, BUT THEY ARE SEEKING TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER IN, OR ALMOST DOUBLE IT WITHIN THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.

AND SO THAT'S A FACTOR IN OUR RECOMMENDATION AND OFFERING YOU THOSE, THOSE FOUR OPTIONS THAT MR. MCDOUGALL LAID OUT.

SO I THINK IF YOU WANT ALL OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE TREATED, IT WOULD BE THE OPTION FOR, UM, SIMPLY STATING THAT IN YOUR MOTION, UM, THE, UH, TREATMENT PER THE ECM FOR ALL NEW AND REDEVELOPED IMPERVIOUS COVER.

SO

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ALL NEW WHEN REDEVELOPED IS OPTION FOUR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YES, COMMISSIONER.

SO, UH, MR. YANAS PAULINA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WAS JUST OFFERING MY TIME TO CONTINUE COMMISSIONER SHAY'S QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

BUT NOT SURE.

LET'S SEE.

UM, DO WE HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISH TO ASK QUESTIONS? UM, DOES THAT MEAN IF A CONDITIONING ON HIS POLINA, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND IF YOU CAN GO AND POSE A QUESTION THAT HELPS, UH, COMMISSIONER SHEA KIND OF FINISH GETTING ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

UM, ASK SOME QUESTIONS.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CONTINUE AND WE'LL UH, YEAH.

OKAY.

SO, UM, SO THE QUESTION THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SECRET ASKS DEFINITELY HELP IT IS, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THAT YOU'RE TREATING WHAT YOU'RE BEING, WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING AND, BUT YOU'RE EXCEEDING WHAT THAT, SO IT IS A, BETWEEN A THREE AND FOUR.

OKAY.

BUT, UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE NEXT IS ALSO IN ORDER TO ASK THAT SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHOWING US SOME INNOVATION, RIGHT? THE INNOVATION OF HAVING AN ELEVATED STRUCTURE, I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE ANY WATER THAT DOES FLOW UNDERNEATH WILL GET, GO INTO THE GROUND, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT INNOVATING IN OTHER TYPES OF BUILDINGS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT INNOVATION.

AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE INNOVATION OF, UM, THE SISTERS, YOU KNOW, IN TREATING THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT I NEED TO FIND A WAY TO CAPTURE THAT, UM, IN OUR MOTION THAT CAN STICK AND STAFF, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP, YOU KNOW, TALK, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, HOW CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO PUT IN HERE? BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HERE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT LIMITATIONS WE CAN PUT ON IT.

YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE START TALKING ABOUT THESE INNOVATIONS IN OUR MOTION AND STAFF? CAN YOU HELP US, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE SURE COMMISSIONER CHRIS HARRINGTON ENVIRONMENT OFFICER AGAIN? UH, YES, SIR.

I BELIEVE WHAT YOU COULD DO WOULD BE TO SAY THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT, SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST THE EXISTING GLUTEN LOADING COMING OFF THE SITE.

AND ADDITIONALLY SHALL UTILIZE THE CARPORT, UM, TO CAPTURE ADDITIONAL WATER QUALITY VOLUME AS INDICATED IN THEIR EXHIBITS FOR THIS PRESENTATION, UM, CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

CAUSE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT WILL NEED TO REVIEW THAT AS A FORMAL SUBMITTAL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT NO OTHER COMPATIBILITY SETBACKS OR ANYTHING ELSE, UM, ARE AFFECTED BY THAT PROPOSAL.

BUT EFFECTIVELY YOU COULD SET THE BAR AT AT LEAST PROVIDE THE CODE REQUIRED WATER QUALITY TREATMENT, UM, EQUIVALENT TO THE CURRENT LOADING AND UTILIZE THE CARPORT AS SHOWN TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WATER QUALITY AS LONG AS THAT IS OTHERWISE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CODE.

OKAY.

SO MY QUESTION WITH THAT IS THAT THEIR PROPOSAL, BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU'RE SAYING THE CURRENT LOAD, THEIR PROPOSAL, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE TREATING MUCH MORE THAN THE CURRENT, RIGHT? WHICH TO ME IT'S EITHER YOU BUILT OR THE CR AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS THE HIGHER BAR, THE NEW BUILD OR PROVIDING POLLUTANT LOAD FOR THE CURRENT, THE HIGHER BAR, THERE IS A WATER QUALITY TREATMENT THERE TODAY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE SMALL AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER OUTSIDE OF A CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE, THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.

THAT'S LESS THAN THE 8,000 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD.

SINCE THIS CIRCUMSTANCE IS ENTIRELY WITHIN THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.

UH, THAT'S WHAT SETS THE HIGHER BAR AND BECAUSE OF THE LAND USE COMMISSION.

SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY.

I DO APPRECIATE THE INNOVATIVE PRACTICES, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONTEXT HERE IS WITHIN A CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT, THAT CRITICAL WATER QUALITY IN TONE EXISTS, THERE ARE HOUSES OR BUILDINGS BETWEEN THIS STRUCTURE AND THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY THAT EXISTS TODAY.

I THINK THAT THAT CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TREATING WHAT'S THERE TODAY, UM, PROVIDES THE EQUIVALENCY, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVEN MORE TREATMENT BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVER.

WE WOULD NEED TO VALIDATE AGAIN WHAT THE APPLICANT

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IS PROPOSING.

AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT I BELIEVE YOU'VE PUT STRUCTURE THAT LANGUAGE AS WE JUST DISCUSSED.

IT'S A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TO EVALUATE THE RISK OF THE MIDDLE FROM THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

FOLKS, WE HAVE, UH, ONE MORE SLOT, IF ANYBODY HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

YEAH.

CAN WE BRING UP THE, THE DIAGRAM OF THE BUILDING AND THE SORT OF SITE PLAN? DO YOU WANT THE PLAN B WITH THE TREATMENT OPTIONS? THAT ONE, THAT ONE.

YEAH.

UM, SO JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, NOT JUST THE ROOF, BUT WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING JUST FOR THE APPLICANT, I GUESS, OR THE APPLICANT'S MAJOR MS. KIM, IF YOU'LL SELECT STAR SIX.

HI, THIS IS KATIE.

I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WERE TWO OTHER SPEAKERS LINED UP FOR THIS PROJECT THAT INCLUDED THE ARCHITECT THAT COULD ANSWER SOME OF THE BUILDING QUESTIONS.

I CAN ANSWER IT.

I JUST GOT TO LOOK IT UP VERY QUICKLY, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM BEING ABLE TO EAT.

I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE WELCOME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF, IF THEY WOULD BE, YEAH, THEY WERE SIGNED UP AS APPLICANTS REPS, SO THAT ALL HAS TO BE ROLLED INTO THE SIX MINUTES AND, UM, AND IT WILL ANYWAY.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO THANKS.

OKAY.

OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.

OKAY.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO IF THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION WHILE I'M LOOKING UP THE, CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE PARKING? WHAT, HOW MUCH PARKING ARE YOU PROVIDING? YEAH, SO PARKING WE'RE DEFINITELY MAXIMIZING THE REDUCTIONS THAT WE CAN TAKE FOR THIS SITE.

AND, UM, THE REASON THAT THE SITE PLAN HAS A C AT THE END IS BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO USED UTILIZING OFFSITE PARKING.

SO WE TRIED TO REDUCE THE PARKING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THE SITE.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, THERE'S SIX PARKING SPACES THAT ARE BEYOND THE BUILDING.

AND THEN THERE'S TWO PARKING SPACES UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.

AND THAT ONE OF THOSE TWO INCLUDES THE ADA.

SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF EIGHT PARKING SPACES, UM, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN, UM, WHAT'S REQUIRED.

UM, WE ARE INCLUDING SHOWER FACILITIES IN THE BUILDING, AND THAT WAS ONE WAY WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN A PARKING REDUCTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN BIKE TO WORK TO THIS OFFICE BUILDING.

UM, SO THAT AFFORDED US A REDUCTION IN PARKING AS WELL AS JUST BEING IN THE URBAN CORE, UM, AND THE OFFSITE PARKING.

AND SO WHEN IT'S DESCRIBED AS PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED? YEAH, SO, UH, WE HAVE, WE WANTED TO PUT THAT BUILDING UP AGAINST THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC LINES, WE COULDN'T, BUT IT'S ONLY LIKE FIVE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO THE BUILDING IS BUILT UP TO OF COATS AS WE COULD, UM, TO MEET AUSTIN ENERGY REQUIREMENTS.

UM, SO THAT'S HOW IT'S PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED IS THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING THE PARKING OUT FRONT, UM, AND THE BUILDING IN THE BACK, WE HAVE THE BUILDING UPFRONT, SO, UM, AND THE PARKING TUCKED AWAY.

SO THAT CREATES A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT.

UM, THERE'S THIS KIND OF, SORRY, THIS IS ERIN CAN'T, I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.

SORRY.

I WAS GOING TO CHIME IN AND HELP KATIE, UH, WITH SOME OF THE DESIGN GOALS FOR THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED BUILDING, IF THAT'S OKAY.

YEAH.

UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

I'LL GIVE YOU, UH, THREE MINUTES, UH, JUST TO GO IF THAT HELPS PUSH THIS ALONG.

THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH, IN ADDITION TO WHAT KATIE SAID, UH, WE, WE HAD LIMITATIONS ON THE FRONT WITH THE ELECTRICAL LINES, UM, AND THEN WE ALSO WANTED TO ABIDE BY THE SIPPY FOOT COMPATIBILITY SETBACK ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE LOT.

UM, THOSE TWO THINGS COUPLED WITH THE DESIRE TO DO A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED BUILDING, YOU KNOW, PUT, PUT THE PARKING IN THE BACK AND THE BUILDING IN FRONT, UH, WE HAVE OUR MAIN ENTRANCE FACING THE STREET WITH A STAIRWAY THAT LEADS DIRECTLY UP TO IT.

AND AWNING FOR RAIN PROTECTION.

WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED ADA ACCESS FROM BOTH THE FRONT AND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

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SO ON THE FAR RIGHT.

UM, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE IN THE DRAWINGS CAUSE THEY'RE QUITE SMALL, BUT WE HAVE A RAMP THAT TAKES ANY PEDESTRIANS THAT NEED ADA RAMP ACCESS, UH, FROM THE FRONT SIDEWALK TO MEET UP WITH THE BACK RAMP THAT IS COMING FROM THE ADA PARKING IN THE BACK AND GIVING ACCESS TO THE BUILDING.

UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BUILDING AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE FROM BOTH THE FRONT END VEHICLE.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

UM, WELL THAT COMPLETES OUR SLOTS FOR QUESTIONS.

UH, DO I, UM, HAVE A MOTION FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS MR. SHEA? I MEAN, I CAN ATTEMPT TO PUT ONE TOGETHER, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF TWEAK AND CHIME IN AS WE GO, BUT IT'S, WE'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE, SO YEAH.

SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT IT EXCEEDS, UH, THE WATER, WATER QUALITY REQUIRED FOR THE EXISTING, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, W W WHAT'S THERE FOR THE POLLUTANT LOAD, BUT PLUS TO ADDITIONALLY TREAT, UM, WHAT IS BEING BUILT, UH, THROUGH TO THE USE OF THE CARPORT ADDITION, UM, CHORUS PAVING, UH, USE OF SIS AND THE USE OF CISTERN AND THE USE OF ELEVATED STRUCTURES AS INDICATED ON THE PLAN, UH, PRESENTED TO US ON THE PC PLAN.

YES.

CAN YOU, UH, GO THROUGH THAT ONE MORE TIME? I'M JUST MAKING NOTES.

SO I, I LIKE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING.

I JUST THINK I WOULD NEED TO GET THIS DOWN.

OKAY.

SO FROM MY, SO PART OF IT IS TO, UH, TO PROVIDE THE WATER QUALITY TO TREAT, UH, THE EX WELL, TOO, I GUESS, IT'S TO, TO TREAT THE EXISTING POLLUTANT LOAD AND PLUS ADDITIONAL, UH, TREATMENT OF THE WATER QUALITY THROUGH, AND THEN THOSE TOOLS.

AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT STAFF HAD MENTIONED, RIGHT.

WHEN WE'RE TAKING CARE OF WHAT WAS THERE, CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

SO WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE STUFF THAT'S THERE, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO TREAT ADDITIONAL AND ADDITIONAL IS BASED UPON ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE BUILDING.

AND, UM, THEY BASICALLY USE THOSE TOOLS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I KIND OF OUTLINED AND THOSE ARE ALL SHOWN IN THE PLANS.

AND THEN I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND SO WE CAN DISCUSS THROUGH WHAT.

OKAY.

DO I, UM, DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? UH, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

I SEE YOUR SECOND.

OKAY.

UH, SO, UH, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR, YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER SHADE? SURE.

OKAY.

SO I'M GOING TO START UP BY THAT.

UM, THIS IS A REALLY STRANGE PART OF TOWN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN WE GO THROUGH AND THESE HAVE BEEN SUBDIVIDED INTO LITTLE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, BUT THEN ALL THESE OTHER RULES AND REGULATIONS CAME ABOUT.

UM, AND BASICALLY WE'RE, WE'RE STUCK WITH A W WITH, WITH A PIECE OF LAND.

THAT'S NOT VERY GOOD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY SET UP A RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S TERRIBLE RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS IT'S STUCK IN THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER THINGS AROUND IT.

SO IF IT'S BAD RESIDENTIAL, AND IT'S ALSO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET IT BECOME ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, YET AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S CANUCK, IT'S IT'S COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO TELL THEM YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

AND IT'S NO GOOD FOR THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO END UP THERE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S LIKE TO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION ON, UH, ALLOWING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE LIFE AND, AND, AND CONTINUE TO CREATE A COMPLETELY NEW COMMUNITY IN THE AREA.

AND SO LOOKING AT IT, UM, I APPRECIATE INNOVATION, RIGHT? AND A LOT OF OUR CODE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW INNOVATIVE IDEAS TO ADDRESS DIFFERENT THINGS.

UH, FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE WATER QUALITY WATER DETENTION.

AND THEY BROUGHT IN A LOT OF CONCEPTS HERE THAT, UM, THAT DOES MAKE A DENT ON IT YET OUR CODE DOESN'T MEASURE IT.

AND SO I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I PUT TOGETHER ON THIS MOTION EFFECTIVELY ALLOWS THAT

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INNOVATION TO BE CONSIDERED, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM ON THIS.

OKAY.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, MEMBERS AGAINST THIS MOTION? UM, BELL COMMISSIONER SAGER, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD BACK YOUR CAMERA, JUST A LITTLE COMMISSIONER TO SEE HER, IT'S HARD TO SEE YOUR HAND, UH, T OKAY.

YOU'RE SPEAKING AGAINST, OKAY.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES ACTUALLY SPEAKING NEUTRAL.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THE REASON I'M SPEAKING NEUTRAL IS BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD STAFF SAY TONIGHT THAT THEY REALLY HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE NEW PROPOSED PLAN.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAD THEM TO REVIEW IT AND GIVE US COMMENTS ON THAT PRIOR TO THE HEARING TONIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO BE A NEUTRAL ON THIS.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER SPEAKING FOR, UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR SECOND? NO.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS SPEAKING FOR, UH, ANY COMMISSIONER SPEAKING, UH, AGAINST OR NEUTRAL? ALL RIGHT.

UH, SO I GET ANYBODY LAST CHANCE EITHER WAY.

ALL RIGHT.

CAN MEAN, JUST TELL, AGREEING WITH COMMISSIONER SHAY.

I CAN'T SAY IT NEAR AS WELL AS HE JUST DID, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CODE IS VERY OLD.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE TOOLS THAT WE WISH IT DID, AND THIS IS JUST A SEMI CREATIVE WAY, FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.

SO IS THAT IDEA OF DEFINITELY NOT THAT IT'S, IT'S NOTHING.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ WHAT I HAVE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT ABBREVIATED, BUT I THINK IT'S THE EMOTION THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED.

UM, AND TELL ME IF I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT.

UH, THIS IS A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHADE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND IT'S TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT NUMBER ONE, FREED THE EXISTING LOAD.

AND THEN SECONDLY, UH, ADDITIONALLY TREAT, UM, WHAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED PER THE EXHIBIT IN THE APPLICANTS, UM, PRESENTATION AS KC PLAN.

AM I MISSING ANYTHING? COMMISSIONER SHEA? UM, I THINK FROM WHAT STAFF MENTIONED, RIGHT? HE'S TH TH THEY, THEY ALLOWED US TO START INCLUDING SOME OF THE INNOVATION PIECES LIKE OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS ARE IN THERE USING THE, FOR INSTANCE, USING THAT CARPORT.

UM, I KNOW LEE READING THE BACKUP, IT TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE, THE CISTERN AND THEN, UH, HOW THAT WAS BEING USED FOR EDUCATION.

IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE ELEVATED STRUCTURES AND IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT USING POROUS MATERIALS WHENEVER THEY COULD.

AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO, AS, YOU KNOW, AS, AND ADDITIONAL, UH, AND ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT THEY CAN PICK UP, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, TO ME IT'S HEADED IN THAT RIGHT WAY, UM, WITH THOSE COMPONENTS THAT THEY PRESENTED TO US AND THEY COULD END UP COMING UP WITH OTHER INNOVATIONS ALONG THE WAY, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE THIS DIALOGUE WITH THIS TO START WORKING WITH STAFF.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO AT LEAST GET THAT CONVERSATION GOING.

SO I, UH, THIS MOTION IS GETTING A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED, BUT APPROVED VARIANCE WITH CONDITIONS.

UH, NUMBER ONE, IT'S, UH, TO TREAT TO THE EXISTING, UH, POLLUTANT LOADING.

AND THEN SECONDLY, ADDITIONALLY TREAT WHAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED FOR THE APPLICANTS, UH, EXHIBIT PC PLAN, UH, INCLUDING THE INNOVATIONS AS FOLLOWS.

AND I'M GOING TO GET YOU TO LIST THEM HERE.

UH, WHICH ONES SPECIFICALLY DID YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT? OKAY.

AND THESE ARE ONES THAT, LIKE I SAID, I READING IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE BACKUP THAT I'M LIKE, OKAY, THOSE ARE GOOD IDEAS, YOU KNOW? SO IT WAS PART OF, IT WAS USING THE CAR PORT USING THIS CARDBOARD CISTERN ELEVATED STRUCTURES AND COURSE MATERIALS.

YOU GOT FOUR KIDS.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WITH THAT, UH, OUR, WE HAD A QUESTION CONDITIONERS ARE, DO YOU NEED A POINT OF CLARITY? YES.

I JUST NEED YOU TO CLAP.

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I'M SORRY.

ARE WE, SO I GUESS THE FOUR ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT.

THE IDEA IS THAT APART FROM THE POLLUTANTS, SORT OF THE VOLUME OF WATER, THE WATER VOLUME, AND BOTH BEING MANAGED, THAT'S THE GENERAL IDEA.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I THIS CORRECTLY.

SO THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT, UM, I WOULD REALLY WANT STAFF TO CHIME IN ON MY MOTION BECAUSE I TOOK KIND OF WHAT THEY SAID, AND I'M TRYING TO REITERATE IT WITH JUST A COUPLE MORE COMPONENTS.

SO, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH STAFF HAD, UH, HAD CHIMED IN, BUT IF THEY COULD KIND OF SAY, YES, I GET IT.

YOU KNOW, IF THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.

GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS.

I DO THINK CHRIS, UH, MR. HARRINGTON, ARE YOU THERE TO HELP US? YES.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

UH, CHRIS LANKTON ENVIRONMENT, OFFICER COMMISSIONER SAY, I DO UNDERSTAND