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THANKS EVERYONE HERE ME CAN GET STARTED.

SOUNDS GOOD.

[CALL TO ORDER]

WELL, IT'S SIX O'CLOCK.

THIS IS AMANI C AND I AM CALLING THE COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION.

UH, DECEMBER 7TH MEETING TO ORDER.

I WILL GO AHEAD AND ASK OUR COMMISSIONERS, UM, TO PLEASE STATE THEIR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

AND JUST SO WE KNOW EVERYONE WHO'S HERE STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER BRICKER.

IF YOU'LL JUST UNMUTE.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER JESSICA GONZALEZ BROKER PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER CARLINO IS COMMISSIONER RYAN CURRENTLY NOW PRESENT COMMISSIONER OUR CUSTOMER DATA.

HI, THIS IS ELIZABETH CASTENEDA AND PRESENT COMMISSIONER CONNOLLY.

WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT, NOT PRESENT COMMISSIONER FLORES, COMMISSIONER ERICA FLORES, PRESENT, UH, COMMISSIONER WENT HOME, SICK MCMAHON PRESENT AND, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSEMONT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SEGOVIA.

RICHARD SHOULD GO.

YES, PRESENT.

AND THEN COMMISSIONER TURNER.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE HAVE A PACKED AGENDA TODAY AND, UM, FROM WHAT CHRISTINA REFLECTED, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP, SO WE'RE GOING TO RUN THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY, UM, SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THEIR STATEMENT AND TESTIMONY FOR OUR SPEAKERS.

UM, I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WHEN WE TRANSITION YOU IN ZOOM TO A PANELIST, SO YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEAK AND PRESENT, UM, IT WILL ASK YOU TO LIKE RESIGN INTO ZOOM.

SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE YOU'RE NOT KICKED OUT OF THE MEETING.

UM, IT JUST KIND OF TRANSITIONS IN THAT MOMENT.

SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT.

UM, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE DISCUSSION, UM,

[1.a. Move January 4, 2021 meeting to the following week January 11, 2021]

ON OUR NEW BUSINESS ITEM, WHICH IS MOVING OUR JANUARY 4TH, UM, MEETING TO THE FOLLOWING WEEK, JUNE WE'RE 11 BECAUSE OF THE NEW YEAR AND POTENTIALLY THAT HOLIDAY BREAK.

UM, SO IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS, THIS IS OPEN.

UM, I'D LOVE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS BEFORE WE POTENTIALLY MOVE THIS TO A VOTE.

SO IF YOU HAVE STATEMENTS, QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, PLEASE SHARE.

MAKES SENSE TO ME.

YEAH, I'M PERFECTLY, UH, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH, UH, MOVING INTO THE 11TH.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY BEST FOR EVERYONE.

THIS IS RICHARD .

I CONCUR.

I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.

OKAY.

IS THERE A MOTION TO VOTE ON THIS AND MAKE IT OFFICIAL FOR A RECORD TOO? UH, GRACE TURNER, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE OUR MONTHLY MEETING FROM THE 4TH OF JANUARY TO THE 11TH OF JANUARY 20, 20.

MORE.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU FOR THIS SECOND.

UM, IF YOU'LL RAISE YOUR HAND OR UNMUTE FOR A VOTE, JUST SO WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD, UM, ALL THOSE WHO ARE FOR MOVING THIS MEETING.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS AN UNANIMOUS VOTE.

UM, AND JUST WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT.

WE WILL BE MOVING OUR JANUARY 4TH MEETING TO THE FOLLOWING WEEK, JANUARY 11TH, STILL AT THE SAME TIME, 6:00 PM.

UM, IN THE NEW YEAR 2021.

UM, SINCE THERE ARE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ACTION TO TAKE ON THAT

[2.a. 2019 Joint Report: Analysis of APD Racial Profiling Data from Office of Police Oversight]

WE WILL MOVE TO OUR STAFF BRIEFING, UM, WHICH IS OUR RACIAL PROFILING REPORT, UM, FROM THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT.

I'M JUST GOING TO THE PRESENTERS TO PANELISTS.

GREAT NOW, AND THEN I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN.

THANK YOU.

GREAT.

WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN SEE THAT PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, CHRISTINA.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION.

UM, FAIR MUST GET IN DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT.

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UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO PRESENT OUR JOINT RACIAL PROFILING REPORT TO YOU TODAY.

I'M HERE IN MY COLLEAGUES, CARRIE O'CONNOR, WHO IS THE CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER AND BRIAN OAKES, WHO IS THE CHIEF EQUITY OFFICE, OUR OFFICES, UM, WORKED COLLABORATIVELY AND COLLECTIVELY ON THIS REPORT.

UM, IT IS A SECOND REPORT IN, UM, IN THIS YEAR THAT WE'VE PUT OUT.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANOMALY, WHICH I CAN TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH, UM, CARRIE OPENING UP ABOUT OUR, UM, OUR METHODOLOGY AND SOME KEY POINTS ABOUT THE RACIAL PROFILING REPORT.

GOOD EVENING.

HI EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS CARRIE O'CONNOR.

I'M THE CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT MY APOLOGIES THE VIDEO DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE WORKING FOR ME.

SO YOU'LL JUST SEE A BLACK BOX WITH MY NAME.

UM, BUT, UH, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY BEHIND THE RACIAL PROFILING REPORT.

SO WE LOOKED AT 2019 MOTOR VEHICLES STOPPED DATA FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN, OPEN DATA PORTAL TO CONDUCT AN ANALYSIS ON PROPORTIONALITY.

WE USED CITY OF AUSTIN POPULATION DATA FROM THE 2010 CENSUS.

WE CONDUCTED A DISPARATE OUTCOMES ANALYSIS FOR THOSE DECISIONS THAT HAPPEN AFTER A STOP.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT, WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DISPROPORTIONALITY AND DIS DISPARATE IMPACT.

DISPROPORTIONALITY IS THE RATIO BETWEEN THE PERCENT OF PERSONS IN A PARTICULAR RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUP AT A PARTICULAR DECISION POINT OR EXPERIENCING AN EVENT COMPARED TO THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT GROUP IN THE POPULATION.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DISPARATE IMPACT, IT DESCRIBES A SITUATION IN WHICH AN OUTCOME OR AN ADVERSE EFFECT FALLS DISPROPORTIONATELY ON A RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUP COMPARED TO OTHERS IN THAT RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUP.

UM, DISPARATE IMPACT OF THE DECISION POINTS.

AFTER THE STOP WE FOLLOWED ESTABLISHED LEGALLY AVAILABLE ANALYTICAL FRAMEWORKS, WHICH IS THE RELEVANT POPULATION BASED FOR THE ADVERSE DISPARATE IMPACT IS THE SUBSET OF THE POPULATION THAT IS AFFECTED BY THE DECISION.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IN 2019 BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICAN DRIVERS WERE THE MOST OVERREPRESENTED GROUP AND MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS MAKING UP APPROXIMATELY 8% OF THE AUSTIN POPULATION, BUT 14% OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS 25% OF SEARCHES AND 25% OF ARRESTS.

AND WE'RE THE ONLY DEMOGRAPHIC TO RECEIVE MORE HIGH DISCRETION THAN LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES, HISPANIC, LATINO DRIVERS MADE UP 33% OF MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS.

AND 44% OF MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS THAT RESULTED IN A CITATION WHILE THEY COMPRISE 31% OF AUSTIN'S ADULT POPULATION.

WHITE DRIVERS WERE THE MOST UNDERREPRESENTED IN TOTAL MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS.

ASIAN DRIVERS WERE SLIGHTLY UNDERREPRESENTED IN TOTAL.

TOTAL MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS.

NEXT SLIDE FOR DISPARATE OUTCOMES IN 2019, ONCE PULLED OVER WHITE, CAUCASIAN, AND ASIANS RECEIVED A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS AT 63% AND 64% RESPECTIVELY BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN HISPANIC LATINOS RECEIVED HIGHER PERCENTAGES OF SEARCHES THAT RESULTED IN ARREST AT 10% AND 7% RESPECTIVELY HISPANIC LATINOS RECEIVED THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF CITATIONS AT 44 BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE SEARCHED AND APPROXIMATELY THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED THAN WHITE CAUCASIANS.

NEXT SLIDE.

NOW WE TURN IT BACK OVER TO DIRECTOR FARRAH MUSKEGON FOR THE DATA ANALYSIS.

THANK YOU, CARRIE.

UM, BEFORE I GET INTO KIND OF THE WEEDS ABOUT THE DATA, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SET, UM, THE FRAMEWORK FOR YOU ABOUT HOW THIS KIND OF CAME ABOUT AND HOW WE STARTED WORKING TOGETHER ON, ON, UM, DOING THIS REPORT TOGETHER.

SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE OFFICE OF POLICE MONITOR HAD, UM, INCLUDED, UM, AND CONDUCTED A RACIAL PROFILING ASSESSMENT AS PART OF THEIR ANNUAL REPORT AND, UM, PER STATE STATUTE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRED TO PUT OUT THEIR RACIAL PROFILING DATA BY MARCH 1ST OF EVERY YEAR.

SO GENERALLY BY THE LAST DAY OF FEBRUARY, THEIR REPORT IS RELEASED.

AND SO WHEN THEY RELEASED THEIR REPORT LAST YEAR, THE 2018 NUMBERS,

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UM, I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT IN PART OF OUR ROLE IN OVERSIGHT IS LOOKING MORE CLOSELY AT, UM, THEIR DATA AND THEIR RESEARCH OF WHAT THEY PUT OUT.

AND SO, UM, I WAS ABLE TO, UM, BRING TOGETHER THE INNOVATION OFFICE AND THE EQUITY OFFICE TO WORK AND DO THIS ANALYSIS TOGETHER.

OUR TEAMS WORK ON IT TOGETHER, UM, IN OUR FIRST KIND OF INAUGURAL REPORT WAS RELEASED AT JANUARY OF THIS YEAR OF OUR, UH, LOOKING AT APDS 2018 RACIAL PROFILING DATA.

AND THEN AGAIN, IN END OF FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, THEY RELEASED THEIR 2019 REPORT.

AND, UM, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RE-IMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY, AND AS IN JUNE, A LOT OF, UM, THE, UM, POLI WHAT I'VE CALLED THE POLICE REFORM RESOLUTIONS WERE PASSED.

I FELT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE PUT OUT ANOTHER REPORT THIS YEAR, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO RESOLUTION 50, WHICH SETS A GOAL FOR THE CITY OF ZERO DISPARITIES AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC STOPS AND OTHER, OTHER POLICING MATTERS.

AND, UH, THAT RESOLUTION SPECIFICALLY USED OUR 2018 REPORT IN AS THE BASELINE FOR THAT ANALYSIS.

AND SO WE NEEDED SOME TREND DATA.

UM, WE'RE REALLY TAKING A MORE, A DEEPER LOOK INTO THE DEPARTMENT.

SO WE JUST CAME TOGETHER AGAIN AND SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET ANOTHER REPORT DONE.

AND WE DID.

SO WE DO, UM, WE WILL GOING FORWARD, UH, ESTABLISH A CADENCE OF PUTTING OUT OUR ANALYSIS OF APD RACIAL PROFILING DATA THE SUMMER OF EACH YEAR.

AND WE'LL START THAT IN THE SUMMER OF 2021, WHICH WILL BE OUR CADENCE FOR THESE REPORTS GOING FORWARD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT IS THAT IT WAS REALLY NEVER OUR INTENTION TO PUT TWO REPORTS OUT IN THE SAME YEAR.

UM, BUT WE DID THAT ACKNOWLEDGING EVERYTHING THAT'S ON AND, UM, WANTING TO REALLY LOOK AT THE DATA MORE CLOSELY, PARTICULARLY WITH THIS GOAL OF TRYING TO REACH, WHICH I DO THINK IS ATTAINABLE OF ZERO DISPARITIES.

SO HERE WITH THIS PARTICULAR CHART IS, IS TELLING YOU IS ABOUT LOOKING AT DISPROPORTIONALITY.

AND SO KARI, UM, BEAUTIFULLY EXPLAINED WHAT THAT MEANS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF STOPS, AS OPPOSED TO THE PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION.

AND WE PRIMARILY LOOKED AT THE FOUR MOST POPULOUS RACE SLASH ETHNICITY IS IN AUSTIN.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICAN, UM, THEY ARE OVERREPRESENTED BY 6%, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY ARE 6% OVER WHAT THEIR RESPECTIVE, UM, PORTION OF THE POPULATION IS.

NOW WE DO SEE A SLIGHT DECLINE FROM 2018 TO 2019.

BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, A 6% OVER REPRESENTATION, WE DO SEE THAT OBVIOUSLY AS, UH, AS A POINT OF CONCERN.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT HISPANIC, LATINO, WE SEE 2% OVER REPRESENTATION.

I BELIEVE THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION IS 31% AND THEIR PERCENTAGE OF VEHICLE STOPS IN 2019 WAS 33%.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT ASIAN, ASIAN IS UNDERREPRESENTED BY 3% AND WHITE, CAUCASIAN IS UNDERREPRESENTED BY 6%.

SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS, UM, WHAT THIS CHART IS TELLING YOU.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS CHART IS IDENTICAL TO THE PREVIOUS CHART, BUT IT'S GIVING YOU THE ACTUAL RAW DATA AND THE NUMBERS THAT GO THAT SHOWED THE DISPROPORTIONALITY.

SO HERE YOU SEE THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC STOPS, THEIR PARTICULAR PERCENTAGE, THE POPULATION.

AND WE LOOKED AT POPULATION OF 18 AND OVER AND USING 2010 CENSUS DATA, UM, AND THEN THEIR PROPORTION OF THE POPULATION.

AND THEN WHEN YOU STRAP YOU SUBJECT THAT SUBSTRAT, THE NUMBERS SUBTRACT THE NUMBERS, YOU SEE THE DISPROPORTIONALITY.

SO AGAIN, UM, WE SEE AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND HISPANIC, UM, OVERREPRESENTED BY SIX AND TWO RESPECTIVELY IN ASIAN AND WHITE, CAUCASIAN UNDERREPRESENTED BY THREE AND 6% RESPECTIVELY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WE DID OUR REPORT, UM, THE 2018 REPORT.

AND WE, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS MAYBE IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION WHERE WE BROUGHT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WITH APD TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE REPORT AND ALSO OPEN A CONVERSATION, PARTICULARLY WITH THOSE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE, WHEN IT COMES TO RACIAL PROFILING, IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT.

IT WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL AND PEOPLE REALLY APPRECIATED HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AND THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO GAIN, ENGAGE WITH APD, PRIMARILY LEADERSHIP.

IT WAS COMMANDERS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CHIEF THAT, THAT PARTICIPATED.

AND ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED WHEN WE WERE AT THIS, UM, COMMUNITY CONVERSATION EVENT WAS WHAT WAS REASON FOR THE STOP.

WHY WERE PEOPLE STOPPED IN THE FIRST PLACE? AND SO WE ADDED THAT ANALYSIS IN THIS REPORT.

AND IF YOU CAN SEE HERE 75% OF THE TIME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRAFFIC VIOLATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT,

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YOU KNOW, FAILURE, KEEPING LANES SPEEDING, NOT STOPPING AT A STOP SIGN.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF, UM, OF BASIS FOR THE TRAFFIC STOP.

AND THEN, UM, A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IT IS WHERE AN OFFICER MAY KNOW THAT, UM, THE PERSON HAS AN OUTSTANDING WARRANT.

UM, AND THEN YOU SEE THE OTHER CATEGORIES, BUT PRIMARILY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR BASIC REGULAR COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS ARE THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE STOPS.

NEXT SLIDE.

NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO EXPLAIN THIS, UM, BECAUSE IT, IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STOPS.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE, WE WENT AND DID ANALYSIS OF THE SUBSET OF THOSE STOPS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE STOPPED IN 2019, I BELIEVE THERE WERE ABOUT 139,000 STOPS.

WE LOOKED AT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ARRESTED FROM THAT LARGER SUBSET.

AND THEN WE SAID, OKAY, OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE ARRESTED FROM A TRAFFIC STOP, WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THEIR STUFF? AND SO, AGAIN, THESE NUMBERS ARE SIMILAR TO THE OVERALL NUMBERS THAT WE LOOKED AT IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT OF THOSE ARRESTED, UM, WHAT WAS THE BASIS OF THEIR STOP? 68% OF THAT WAS MOVING TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.

UM, AGAIN ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER FOR PREEXISTING, UM, PREEXISTING KNOWLEDGE LIKE A WARRANT AND THEN OTHER OTHER TRAFFIC.

AND SO WHEN WE DID THIS PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ASKED US TO LOOK AT IS, AND WE WILL DO THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT, OF THIS SUBSET GROUP OF THE, THE SMALLER GROUP OF THE ONE 39,000, WHAT WERE THEY ARRESTED FOR? SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND LOOK AT OF THE PEOPLE, UM, IN 2019 THAT WERE ARRESTED FROM TRAFFIC STOPS, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THEIR ARREST? SO I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THAT'S HOW OUR REPORT IN 2019 GREW IS BECAUSE WE ASKED, WE WERE ASKED SO MANY QUESTIONS AND ASKED TO FOLLOW UP AND ADD MORE INFORMATION INTO OUR REPORT.

SO I HOPE THIS CHART MAKES MORE SENSE TO YOU THAT I HOPE I EXPLAINED IT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AT THE END.

UM, NEXT SLIDE, THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE TALKS ABOUT, UM, SEARCHES BY RACE AND ETHNICITY.

AND AGAIN, IT IS USING THE SAME LENS OF LOOKING AT, UM, DISPROPORTIONALITY.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING HERE IS BLACK AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN IN TERMS OF SEARCHES, UM, AND HISPANIC ARE OVERREPRESENTED IN TERMS OF SEARCH.

SO 18% AND 13% RESPECTIVELY.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT ASIAN AND WHITE SLASH CAUCASIAN, THEY'RE UNDERREPRESENTED, UM, BY FIVE AND 25%, UM, RESPECTIVELY.

AND SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS SHOWING.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT, UM, THE DATA FROM 2018 TO 2019, AND IN, YOU'LL SEE THIS IN A FURTHER SLIDE AND IN THE REPORT, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES THAT, UM, PARTICULARLY IMPACTED AFRICAN AMERICANS AS IT RELATES TO SEARCHES.

NEXT LINE.

IT'S AN INTERESTING, INTERESTING, UM, INTERESTING DATA POINT THAT WE, THAT WE LEARNED FROM THIS YEAR'S ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF THE HIGH AND LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES.

SO LET ME EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE.

LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES ARE PRETTY EASY TO UNDERSTAND THOSE ARE JUST OUR SEARCHES.

THAT PRETTY MUCH THE OFFICER REALLY HAS VERY LITTLE DISCRETION LIKE SUBSEQUENT TO A WRESTLE.

IF SOMEONE IS SO SOMEONE IS ARRESTED, THE OFFICER IS ABLE TO SEARCH, OBVIOUSLY THE PERSON, THEIR VEHICLE AND WHATEVER HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES ARE SEARCHES THAT, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, CONSENT SEARCHES, SEARCHES THAT GENERALLY, UM, OFFICERS HAVE MORE DISCRETION TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO SEARCH.

AND SO HERE, WHEN WE LOOK AT AFRICAN-AMERICAN AFRICAN-AMERICAN IS THE ONLY RACE ETHNICITY GROUP THAT HAS HIGHER, UM, AS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES AND LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, YOU SEE THE MAJORITY HAVE, UM, HAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES.

AND THIS PARTICULAR NUMBER, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, THE 50%, THAT WAS, I BELIEVE A 7.7 INCREASED FROM LAST YEAR.

SO THIS IS A TOPIC THAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO REALLY LOOK IN, DRILL DOWN ON AND TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF WHAT, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH HIGH VERSUS LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES AND WHY THERE WAS AN INCREASE FROM 2018, FROM 2018 TO 2019.

NEXT SLIDE,

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CARRIE MENTIONED WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL KIND OF UMBRELLA ON THE LENS THAT WE CAME WITH WITH THIS ANALYSIS, WE LOOKED AT THE OUTCOMES OF THE PARTICULAR, UM, RACE, ETHNICITY OF EACH GROUP.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T DO IN 2019.

THIS IS LIKE IN 2018, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS THAT WE DID.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT KIND OF THE OUTCOMES OF THE STOPS, WE SEE THAT PARTICULARLY FOR ASIAN 64% RECEIVED WARNINGS OR FIELD OBSERVATIONS, 34% RECEIVED CITATIONS, 2%, UM, RECEIVED, UM, UH, ARREST WERE ARRESTED.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICAN, WE SEE THAT 55% RECEIVED, UM, FIELD OBSERVATIONS, 30 FROM PERCEIVED, UM, CITATIONS, 35% RECEIVED CITATIONS, AND 10%, UM, WERE ARRESTED.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT HISPANIC AND LATINO POPULATIONS, WE SEE THAT 48% RECEIVED MORNING'S FILLED OBSERVATIONS, 44% RECEIVED CITATIONS, AND 7% WERE ARRESTED.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT IN CAUCASIAN, WE SEE THAT 63%, UM, RECEIVED WARNINGS AND PHIL'S OBSERVATIONS, 33% HAVE RECEIVED CITATIONS AND 4% WERE ARRESTED.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PARTICULAR OUTCOMES FOR EACH RACE SLASH ETHNICITY, WE SEE THAT AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE THREE MORE TIMES LIKELY TO BE SEARCHED AND APPROXIMATELY THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED, UM, THAN THEIR WHITE COUNTERPARTS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE DID A GEOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS OF, UM, WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS VERSUS ARREST.

SO ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE, UM, WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS AND ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE ARRESTS, I DO WANT TO NOTE FOR YOU, OBVIOUSLY WE SEE HIGH PERCENTAGE OF CITATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN THE LATIN X COMMUNITY, THE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T GEO CODE CITATIONS.

SO THAT IS PART OF ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE PUT IN THE REPORT.

SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT SAME TYPE OF ANALYSIS WITH CITATIONS TO SEE KIND OF WHERE THEY LAND GEOGRAPHICALLY.

AND SO, UM, YOU GUYS WILL LEARN OBVIOUSLY, OR MAY HAVE ALREADY KNOWN THAT THE CITY IS UP, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DIVIDES THE CITY INTO SECTORS.

THERE ARE NINE SECTORS.

AND SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE ANALYSIS OF SHOWING WHERE THE POPULATION, WHERE THE, THE NUMBER OF WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS TEND TO BE MORE CONCENTRATED IN NORTH NORTHWEST AUSTIN.

AND THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS SEEM TO BE MORE CONCENTRATED IN EAST AND NORTHEAST AUSTIN.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO PASS IT ON TO MY COLLEAGUE, BRIAN OWES TO TALK ABOUT, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS.

HI EVERYONE.

I'M BRIAN OAKS, THE CHIEF EQUITY OFFICER FOR THE CITY.

UM, FARRAH MENTIONED THAT, UH, BEFORE THE START OF THE PANDEMIC, WE ACTUALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A COMMUNITY LISTENING SESSION AROUND, UH, THE 2018 REPORT.

AND IT REALLY GAVE US SOME INSIGHTS INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE REALLY CARRIED THROUGH FOR THIS 2019 REPORT.

BUT TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME, SOME CONTEXT, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF, I THINK REALLY SORT OF GOOD THINGS THAT HAPPENED OVER THE SUMMER.

AND ONE OF THEM WAS THAT OUR COUNCIL PASSED RESOLUTION 50, UH, WHICH I CALL IT THIS THE ZERO DISPARITIES GOAL, UM, WHICH BASICALLY OUR COUNCIL, UM, MOVED FORWARD, ADOPTING A GOAL FOR OUR STRATEGIC DIRECTION AS A CITY, UM, THAT WE WOULD GET TO ZERO AND ELIMINATE THESE DISPARITIES THAT WE SEE IN STOPS, UH, ARRESTS AND SEARCHES, ALL OF THE DATA POINTS THAT YOU ALL LOOKED AT.

AND, UH, I REALLY CELEBRATE THAT BECAUSE THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE GOAL IS ZERO FOR THEM.

AND IT TIES TO, UM, THE, ONE OF THE CORE VALUES THAT'S IN OUR STRATEGIC DIRECTION AS THE CITY, WHICH IS THE FAIR ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE.

AND WE WOULD SAY THAT WE KNOW THAT WE REACHED THE FAIR ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE, UH, WHEN THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN NO LONGER, UH, IS A PREDICTOR OF, UM, UH, YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING STOPPED, SEARCHED OR ARRESTED IN OUR CITY.

AND, UH, IT ALIGNS REALLY WELL WITH OUR DEFINITION, UH, FOR RACIAL EQUITY FOR THE CITY, WHEN WE CAN NO LONGER LOOK AT DATA SETS AND SEE RACE AS A PREDICTOR OF OUTCOMES, WE KNOW THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED IT AND, AND WE'VE GOTTEN THERE.

AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT IS REALLY, UM, THE CORE GOAL THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON AND WHERE WE WANT TO BE AS A CITY.

AND, UH, I WILL TELL YOU ALL THAT, UM, THE FIRST STEP FOR US IN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IS REALLY AROUND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND IT'S THIS WHOLE SORT OF CONCEPT OR IDEA THAT, UM, WE CAN REALLY SORT OF, UH,

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HELP YOU SORT OF FIX A PROBLEM IF WE CAN'T ADMIT THAT THAT, THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RECOMMEND IN THIS REPORT IS TO REALLY, FOR US AS A CITY, UH, TO FULLY SORT OF STEP IN AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM, UH, AND THAT WE SEE THIS PATTERN OF RACIAL PROFILING, THAT IF YOU GO BACK TO 2015, UH, YOU COULD SEE THAT AS ACTUALLY WORSENED OVER THAT OVER THAT TIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD OUR COMMUNITY, UH, ENGAGEMENT, UH, SESSION, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS AS A COMMUNITY TALKED A LOT ABOUT WAS, WAS THAT THERE SEEMED TO BE A DEFENSIVENESS OR RESISTANCE FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND REALLY SORT OF OWNING AND STEPPING INTO THE DATA.

AND, UH, THEIR SENTIMENTS WERE, WERE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN ELIMINATING DISPARITIES.

UH, IF WE CAN SORT OF TAKE THIS FIRST STEP TO REALLY OWN IT AND ACKNOWLEDGE IT.

AND SO I'LL REALLY EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS ANOTHER AREA THAT WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT.

AND, YOU KNOW, FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE, ONE OF OUR BEST PRACTICES IS THAT IF WE, UH, CENTER, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST AT THE MARGINS FOR PARTICULAR ISSUE, THOSE ARE THE VOICES THAT WE WANT TO HAVE BE THE LOUDEST AND, AND BE MOST CENTERED IN TERMS OF HOW WE PROBLEM SOLVE AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND SO IN THIS CASE, UH, IT'S REALLY ESSENTIAL FOR US TO ENGAGE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ENGAGED THE POPULATIONS, ESPECIALLY OUR BLACK AND LATIN X COMMUNITY, UH, BECAUSE THEY BEAR THE BRUNT OF SORT OF THE NEGATIVES DISPROPORTIONALITY OF WHAT WE SEE IN THE STOPS ARRESTS IN THE SEARCHES FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.

AND WE WOULD SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CENTERED IN ORDER FOR US TO REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THIS RIGHT.

AND SO WORKING WITH COMMUNITY TO REALLY CREATE A STRATEGIC PLAN AND BENCHMARKS, AND REALLY THE ROADMAP RIGHT.

OF HOW WE GET TO ZERO, UH, IS ESSENTIAL AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, OKAY, WE ALSO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND, UH, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THOSE BENCHMARKS.

AND SO, UH, I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE NEED FOR US TO REALLY CREATE THAT STRATEGIC PLAN, TO ELIMINATE DISPARITIES AND TRACK OUR PROGRESS AS WE TRY TO GET TO ZERO ALSO THE COMMITMENT FROM OUR, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT AROUND, UH, THE GOAL OF GETTING TO ZERO.

AND SO, UM, NOT ONLY ACKNOWLEDGING THE DATA, BUT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THE COMMITMENT, UH, AND, AND, UH, AND OUR EFFORTS TO REALLY SORTA GET, TO BEING ABLE TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL IS GOING TO BE ESSENTIAL TO THIS PROCESS.

UH, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE, UH, INTERNAL ANALYSIS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I THINK FERRIS SAID EARLIER, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHY WE SEE WHAT WE SEE, AND WE DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT WE DEFINITELY SORTA KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF OBSTACLE OFFICER TRAINING OR INTERVENTION AT THAT LEVEL.

AND WE'RE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND, UM, WHAT DOES OUR TRAINING LOOK LIKE IN ADAM WHEN WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT AS, AS WE GROW AND DEVELOP, UH, OUR OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SERVE INTERVENE AT THAT POINT? UM, ARE WE HAVING ENOUGH CONVERSATIONS AROUND ACKNOWLEDGING THE ADDRESS AND THE ROLE, UH, OF, UH, OF THE DISCRETION AND RACIAL DISPARITIES IN THE STOPS? UM, HOW DO WE SORT OF BETTER, UH, TAKE OUR DATA AND, UH, AND SORT OF NARROW IT DOWN? I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT I WAS ALWAYS INTERESTED IN IS, IS, UM, DO WE SEE THIS PATTERN PLAY OUT CONSISTENTLY ACROSS ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT SECTORS, RIGHT.

UH, DO WE SERIOUSLY SEE THIS PATTERN PLAY OUT, UM, MORE SO FOR SOME OFFICERS THAN OTHERS, RIGHT.

SO WHAT ARE THEIR PATTERNS AND HOW DO WE SORT OF INTERROGATE TO SORT OF SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW THIS IS CREATED AND WHERE IT LIVES, AND WHAT'S OUR BODY OF WORK TO REALLY BEGIN TO DIG DEEPER SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THIS GOAL OF ZERO.

AND, UH, AS YOU ALL READ THE REPORT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S MORE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT ARE EMBEDDED IN THERE THAT WE SORT OF PROVIDED, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR COUNSELORS AS WELL.

AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, WE'LL OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING.

UM, I, I HAVE A QUICK, UM, JUST AROUND THE TIMING AND RELEASE OF THIS REPORT, AS WELL AS IF YOU'VE HEARD A RESPONSE FROM APD, UM, TO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WHOEVER MIGHT HAVE THAT INFORMATION, UM, THE TIMING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST TAKES TIME TO DO

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THIS ANALYSIS.

SO, UM, UM, WE YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS REPORT IS A LOT LONGER AND INCLUDES A LOT MORE ANALYSIS THAN OUR 2018 REPORT.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IT TAKES, TOOK SOME TIME AND WE ALSO HAVE THREE DEPARTMENTS WORKING ON IT, SO THAT ALWAYS TAKES SOME TIME.

UM, AND SO WE JUST RELEASED IT LAST MONTH, NOVEMBER 16TH.

SO I IMAGINE IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO RESPOND TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, BUT I MEAN, I IMAGINE THEY WILL, BUT THEY HAVEN'T YET.

GOTCHA.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BRECKER, GO AHEAD.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

SORRY.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS HOW IS THE RACE OF THE PERSON WHO'S BEING STOPPED CAPTURED? IS THAT ON YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE OR IS THAT SELF-REPORTED OR IS THAT OFFICER IDENTIFIED? UM, IT IS, IT'S KIND OF ALL THREE, BUT MOST OF IT IS, UM, OFFICER IDENTIFIED.

UM, DO YOU WORRY THAT THAT COULD BE UNDER CAPTURING LATINOS OR OTHER PEOPLE IN GENERAL? YEAH, WE DO.

WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD SOME COMMUNITY LEADERS WHO HAVE COME FORWARD, UH, FROM LIONESS COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SHOWN US TICKETS THAT THEY RECEIVE, AND THEY WERE CODED AS, AS WHITE.

AND, UH, ONE IN PARTICULAR IS, HAS VERY INDIGENOUS FEATURES IS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT HIS IDENTITY.

AND, UH, AND SO THAT'S BEEN A PATTERN THAT'S, THAT'S GONE BACK AND WE ACTUALLY DID SOME RESEARCH ON THAT AND, AND SAW THAT THIS WAS ALSO AN ISSUE, UH, UNDER OUR POLICE CHIEF ACEVEDO, UH, AS WELL AS WE SAW THAT CONTINUED THROUGH, UH, MANLEY'S LEADERSHIP AS WELL.

JUST THAT, THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

GREAT.

THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW.

SO CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? UM, SO FOR THE STOPS THAT ARE HIGH DISCRETION STOPS, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS SEARCH LED TO IT FINDING ANYTHING AND IS THAT DESEGREGATED BY RACE? YEAH, SO IT IS, IT IS, I WANT TO SAY HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES AND NOT STOPS.

AND SO THE HIT RATE AND WHAT HIT RATE IS, IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY FOUND SOMETHING CONTRABAND OR WHATEVER.

AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT EVEN THOUGH FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE SEARCHED MORE, THE HIT RATE PERCENTAGE IS LITERALLY ABOUT THE SAME AMONGST ALL FOUR RACE SLASH ETHNICITY.

WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH TO INCLUDE IN THIS REPORT, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT DATA AND THE HIT RATE IS ABOUT THE SAME.

IT'S WITHIN A FEW PERCENTAGE POINTS OF EACH OTHER.

YEAH.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEN IT TELLS US THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY FIND SOMETHING MORE BY SEARCHING THIS PARTICULAR POPULATION OVER OTHERS.

RIGHT.

AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

SORRY.

IT'S THOUGHTS.

OKAY.

UM, HAVE Y'ALL CONTEMPLATED DOING A RATE OR THE, UM, STOPS AND ARRESTS STOP SEARCHES, ARREST CITATIONS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE SHEER NUMBER WHEN IT COMES TO THE MAPPING? SO THAT WAY WE COULD THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE PER 100 OR, I MEAN, THE PEOPLE PER A THOUSAND OR HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THAT, THAT SECTOR.

UM, WE HAVE IT, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE OPEN, I MEAN, THE REPORT KIND OF EVOLVES AND MORPHS DEPENDING ON KIND OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS US TO LOOK INTO.

SO I, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR SURE.

YEAH.

I'LL LET CARRIE WEIGH IN ON THIS, UM, TOO, BUT THE METHODOLOGY IS REALLY SORT OF CENTERED AROUND, UM, SO HER WHOLE SORT OF FEDERAL METHODOLOGY FOR LOOKING AT DISPARATE IMPACT AND, AND, AND I KNOW THAT IT LENDS ITSELF TO SORT OF LOOKING AT THESE DISPROPORTIONALITIES AS A PART OF THAT WORK.

YEAH.

TO, TO WHAT BRIAN SAID.

UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT I, WHAT I HEAR YOU ASKING IS MAYBE IS THERE, UM, A MORE USER-FRIENDLY EXPRESSION OF THE, OF THE DATA, IS THAT OKAY? SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WE SH WE SAW THAT LIKE IN WEST AUSTIN, THERE ARE MORE CITATIONS GIVEN OUT OR, UM, AND THERE ARE MORE ARRESTS IN EAST AUSTIN.

SO WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT PER EVERY 100 STOPS THERE ARE IN EAST AUSTIN, THAT ONE BECOMES AN ARREST OR ONE ENDS UP IN A CITATION? I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW, HOW FREQUENTLY THIS IS HAPPENING VERSUS, AND HOW IT'S DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I THINK WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THAT BACK TO OUR TEAM.

IT JUST, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, THE, THE ANALYSIS IS ULTIMATELY THE SAME.

IT'S JUST HOW YOU TALK ABOUT IT.

UM, IT'S A, IT'S AN, IT'S AN EASIER SORT OF WRAPPER AROUND THE DATA, UM, THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT YOU TALK ABOUT IT, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE THAT UNDER,

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UNDER CONSIDERATION.

THANKS.

YEAH.

AND ONE THING THAT WE INCLUDED IN THIS REPORT THAT IS NEW IS A SPECIFIC DASHBOARD, UM, THAT IS INTERACTIVE THAT YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR, UM, YOUR ZIP CODE AND YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE ARREST THE TIME OF DAY STOPS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JUST PLAY AROUND WITH IT REALLY.

UM, I THINK THAT ALSO HELPS TO HAVE SEEN, UM, KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON BY A NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SO I'LL, I'LL BE SURE TO SEND THAT TO YOU GUYS IF I HAVEN'T ALREADY, I DON'T THINK I DID, BUT I WILL SEND IT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED.

YES.

RICHARD SHOULD GO VIA, UM, THIS, UH, QUESTION COULD GO TO ANYONE, UH, ANY ONE OF THE THREE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, A PEDESTRIAN STOP, WHICH MIGHT OFTEN INCLUDE, UH, CONSENSUAL ENCOUNTERS AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL, UM, THAT'S OFTEN USED AS A PRECURSOR FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION.

I'M CURIOUS WHEN DEVELOPING YOUR METHODOLOGIES FRAMEWORK, UM, IF YOUR TEAM CONSIDERED CAPTURING A PEDESTRIAN STOP DATA, UM, I WOULD SAY WE, DIDN'T ONLY BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE DOING IS AT OUR SCOPE OF THIS ANALYSIS FOR THIS REPORT IS LOOKING AT THE APD RACIAL PROFILING DATA, WHICH PRIMARILY, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SOLELY FOCUSES ON TRAFFIC STOPS IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN'T OR WON'T LOOK INTO, BUT FOR THIS REPORT AT THE SCOPE WAS REALLY ABOUT TRAFFIC AND MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS, UM, AND REALLY KIND OF PEELING THE ONION, UH, OF THEIR REPORT.

UM, BECAUSE FUNDAMENTALLY, LIKE I DO WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT EVERY ANALYSIS IN ALL THE DATA IN THIS REPORT IS APD DATA.

IT'S NOT DATA COLLECTED BY OPO OR EQUITY OR INNOVATION.

IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY ALL APD DATA.

AND SO THIS IS REALLY MORE, MUCH MORE AN ANALYSIS OF THEIR RACIAL PROFILING REPORT THAT IS SOLELY ON MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS.

BUT I DO THINK THAT, UM, LOOKING AT PEDESTRIAN STOPS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO IN A SEPARATE REPORT.

UM, SO THAT THIS ONE CAN KIND OF MAINTAIN ITS FOCUS ON, UM, ON THE TRAFFIC STOPS.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

I WOULD ONLY OFFER THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME UTILITY IN, IN LOOKING AT THE PEDESTRIAN STOPS ONLY BECAUSE AGAIN, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, UM, ALTHOUGH NOT MORE VOLUMINOUS THAN SAY A TRAFFIC STOP YOU, I BELIEVE IF YOU, IF YOU RUN THE NUMBERS FOR PEDESTRIAN STOPS, YOU MIGHT SEE, UM, A PROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF THIS, UH, UM, DISPROPORTIONALITY AS WELL.

SO THAT WOULD JUST BE SOME ADVICE, MAYBE SOME RECOMMENDATION FOR A FUTURE.

YEAH, NO, I, I RECEIVE IT.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY COULD LOOK INTO.

THANK YOU FOR, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER CARLINA.

THIS IS RYAN CURRENTLY NOW.

UM, AND I JUST HAD TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, THE FIRST ONE'S JUST MORE DEMOGRAPHIC QUESTIONS.

I'M WONDERING IF THE DATA SET HAD INFORMATION AS WELL ABOUT, UM, THE AGE AND OR GENDER OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PULLED OVER.

AND IF THERE WERE ANY, UM, IF THERE'S ANY ANALYSIS THAT YOU DID ON WITH THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS, AND IF THERE WERE ANY, UM, TRENDS IN WITH RESPECT TO AGE AND GENDER.

SO WE DIDN'T LOOK AT AGE, BUT WE DID LOOK AT GENDER AND IT SHOWED SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DISPROPORTIONALITY FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALES AND LATIN X, UM, HIGHEST PERCENTAGE WITH ARREST AND SEARCHES, UM, FOR THOSE.

UM, BUT I DO, UM, I DO THINK I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH, WELL, I GUESS IF SOMEONE IS, IF SOMEONE IS ARRESTED, WE WOULD HAVE THE DATE OF BIRTH INFORMATION.

I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE A WAY THAT WE, THAT PD TRACKS, TRACKS THAT INFORMATION TO SEE IF WE CAN DO A MORE AGE ANALYSIS.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT WOULD BE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE FOR APD TO SEE HOW QUICKLY OR IF WE CAN GATHER THAT INFORMATION.

COOL.

AND THEN JUST MY SECOND QUESTION IS, I'M CURIOUS IF THERE, UM, HOW ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE ACTUAL OFFICER OR OFFICERS DOING THE REST, UM, IS INCLUDED WITH THE STOP INCIDENT AND IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO KIND OF DO SOME KIND OF ANALYSIS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OFFICER'S DOING, THE STOPPING AND THE ARRESTING LOOKS LIKE.

YEAH.

SO WE DID THAT ANALYSIS TOO, BUT CHOSE NOT TO INCLUDE IT IN THIS REPORT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE A HUNDRED PAGES.

WE, WE HAVE DATA THAT SPEAKS TO, UM, A PERCENTAGE OF OFFICERS THAT, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE BEST WAY TO PHRASE THIS.

LIKE, WE, WE, WE CAN TRACE

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BACK THE STOPS TO A SET OF OFFICERS, UM, CAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE RECOMMENDATION WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AS AN INTERVENTION FOR THOSE PARTICULAR OFFICERS.

CAUSE WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A SUBSET OF OFFICERS THAT ARE LEADING TO THE, THE DISPROPORTIONALITY.

SO, UM, BUT I THINK THAT WHEN YOU DO THAT TYPE OF ANALYSIS, IT REALLY REQUIRES A DRILL DOWN, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THERE IS JUST A NATURAL, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RACE AND ETHNICITY AND RACIAL PROFILING, THERE'S A NATURAL DEFENSIVENESS.

AND WHEN WE CAN IDENTIFY SPECIFIC OFFICERS, THAT SICKNESS IS EXPONENTIAL.

UM, AND SO, UM, I THINK THE THOUGHT PROCESS, NOT THAT WE WOULDN'T MAKE IT PUBLIC, BUT I THINK IT IS ALSO AN INTERNAL CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF HOW WE DO THAT.

UM, PARTICULARLY WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW WE RELEASE IT, UM, AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN THOSE, IN THOSE TYPES OF INTERVENTIONS.

BUT WE DO HAVE THAT ANALYSIS.

WE CAN POINT TO SPECIFIC OFFICERS AND WE CAN POINT TO SPECIFIC DISTRICTS OR NOT DISTRICT SECTORS THAT HAVE THE HIGHER, HIGHER DISPROPORTIONALITY COMMISSIONER BRECKER.

SORRY.

DOES APD PLAN ON DOING ANYTHING WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED TO THEM THAT HAS DRILLED DOWN LEVEL INFORMATION? WE SHALL SEE? WE SHALL SEE.

I HOPE SO.

I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY WE DO THIS WORK TO PROVIDE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF THE LENS OF LOOKING AT THE DATA, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE DATA SAID IN THEIR REPORT IN FEBRUARY.

RIGHT.

IT'S JUST THAT WE PRESENT IT DIFFERENTLY AND WE EXPLAIN IT RIGHT.

IT'S NOT LIKE THEIR REPORT IN 2019, FEBRUARY, 2019, DIDN'T SAY THAT THERE WAS RACIAL PROFILING.

IT DID, IT WAS VERY CLEAR.

RIGHT.

UM, BUT WE, WE WANT TO EXPLAIN IT MORE, MORE CLEARLY.

WE WANT TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE ADDED MORE, UM, MORE ANALYSIS PER THE REQUEST OF THE COMMUNITY TO OUR REPORT.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME WAY, LIKE WHEN WE DID OUR OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING REPORT, LIKE THEY DO A, THEY DO AN ANALYSIS OF OFFERS INVOLVED SHOOTING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE LENS OF LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE FATALITIES WERE OF LATIN X AND THEN LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LOOK AT IT WITH THAT LENS.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY OVERSIGHT IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO PROVIDE THAT LENS TO SAY, OKAY, IN THIS WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR RACIAL PROFILING REPORT.

AND SO I AM HOPING THAT THERE, THERE WILL BE SOME OPENNESS TO SOLUTIONS AND FIGURING OUT HOW WE GET TO ZERO DISPARITIES.

CAUSE, CAUSE I WILL TELL YOU FOR SURE IS THAT APD CAN ADDRESS IT ON THEIR OWN THAT WITHOUT ANY QUESTION, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER THAT APD CAN ADDRESS IT ON THEIR OWN.

AND SO THEY ESSENTIALLY NEED ALL OF US TO REALLY HELP, UM, OPEN UP THAT LENS AND COME UP WITH CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.

UM, CAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT APD, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND POLICING.

RIGHT? AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I GOT AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING WAS IS THIS UNIQUE TO, TO AUSTIN AND NO, IT'S NOT.

I MEAN EVERY POLICE DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAS ISSUES WITH RACIAL PROFILING TO DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECT BLACK AND LATIN X COMMUNITIES.

RIGHT.

AND SO WHAT I SAID, AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR THE THREE OF US.

HERE'S WHY WE'RE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS WORK IS THAT WE THINK WE CAN FIND SOLUTIONS AND ADDRESS IT IN AUSTIN.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE PUSHED THIS FORWARD AND WHY WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AND BRING PEOPLE ALONG WITH US IN THIS CONVERSATION IS BECAUSE I THINK THAT AUSTIN CAN BE THE LEADER TO ADDRESS THIS SO THAT WE HAVE EQUITABLE POLICING, NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE IN AUSTIN.

RIGHT.

UM, SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE GOAL.

THANK YOU.

UM, FAIR, REALLY QUICK.

IS IT FAIR TO CATEGORIZE THAT SOMETHING DRASTIC NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO REACH THAT 0%? UM, I BELIEVE 20, 23 WAS THE YEAR AND THE GOAL FOR THAT.

AND SO, UM, LOOKING AT THIS JUST A FEW YEARS AWAY AND WE HAVEN'T SO FAR IN THE DATA THAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY, REALLY SEEN A DECREASE, UM, I GUESS IN THAT DISPROPORTIONALITY, UM, FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

SO LOOKING AT THAT DATA AND KIND OF THE SENSE OF URGENCY WITH THAT DEADLINE IS THAT, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT'S A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION? YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH REIMAGINE PUBLIC SAFETY, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE ASSESSMENT OF THE POLICE ACADEMY.

WE HAVE ASSESSMENT OF THEIR INTERNAL CULTURE.

WE HAVE THEIR EQUITY ASSESSMENT HAPPENING.

WE HAVE, OR REALLY

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DOING A DEEP DIVE IN TERMS OF HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OPERATES.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL NECESSARILY SEE IT.

IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW COVID IMPACTS THE 2020 NUMBERS, RIGHT.

WITH MOST PEOPLE BEING AT HOME.

I MEAN, IF WE SEE THE SAME LEVEL OF DISPROPORTIONALITY, WHEN WE'RE PROBABLY LESS DRIVERS ON THE ROAD, THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE ANOTHER CONVERSATION.

RIGHT.

BUT, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'LL NEED TO LOOK AT IS THE 2022 AND 2023, BECAUSE BY THEN A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IN TERMS OF THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL HOPEFULLY START COMING INTO FRUITION IN 2021.

AND PARTICULARLY AS WE LOOK AT NEW CADET CLASSES, BECAUSE ONE THING I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN POINT TO A SPECIFIC INTERVENTION AS THE REASON FOR THE 1% DECLINE FROM 76% FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN.

I DON'T THINK THAT THEY CAN POINT TO ANYTHING, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN 2021, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO POINT SOME THINGS THAT SHOULD HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY, UM, UM, PUSH A DECLINE.

RIGHT.

WE WANT, WE WANT BASICALLY EVERYBODY TO BE AT ZERO.

RIGHT.

AND SO DO I THINK IT'S REALISTIC BY 2023? UH, PROBABLY NOT, BUT YOU NEED A GOAL BECAUSE YOU NEED SOMETHING TO STRIVE FOR.

AND SO I, BUT I DO THINK BY 2023, WE SHOULD SEE A MORE SIGNIFICANT DECLINE GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SEE IT NUDGE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

LIKE WE WANT IT TO CONTINUE TO GO DOWN FOR, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND LATIN X COMMUNITIES.

WE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE WANT TO, IT SHOULD BE AT 8%, IT SHOULDN'T BE AT 14.

IT SHOULDN'T BE AT 31%.

IT SHOULDN'T BE AT 33.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, HOPEFULLY BY THEN WE WILL SEE THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER TURNER, THEN COMMISSIONER MCMANN.

I HAVE A QUESTION WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN FIND OUT, UM, IF A DRIVER HAD BEEN STOPPED MULTIPLE TIMES, UH, AND IF SO, WHO STOPPED THAT DRIVER? LIKE, WAS IT THE SAME OFFICER THAT STOPPED THEIR DRIVING MULTIPLE TIMES? I GUESS I'M WANTING TO KNOW.

UM, HAS CERTAIN GROUPS BEEN TARGETED AND HARASSED BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING, SO HAS, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALS BEEN STOPPED MULTIPLE TIMES BY THE SAME OFFICER OR THE SAME OFFICERS, UM, IN THAT SECTOR I GUESS IS MY QUESTION.

YEAH.

I THINK IT'S PART OF THE DRILL DOWN THAT WE PLAN TO HAVE FOR THE PARTICULAR SECTORS.

IT'S NOT PART OF THIS REPORT.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN TRACK IT BY THE MOTORISTS.

THAT'S A QUESTION I WOULD NEED TO ASK, UM, APD, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE COULD PROBABLY TRACK MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS BY OFFICER.

UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK INTO.

UM, BUT THE REPORT FOCUSED MORE ON THE RACE, ETHNICITY AS A GROUP AND, UH, REALLY KIND OF AS THE INDIVIDUAL.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE, IF WE KIND OF DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US TO DO BY OFFICER.

SO I, I GUESS, UM, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF STOPS, THE NUMBER OF STOPS.

SO IF SOMEBODY WAS STOPPED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT STILL WOULD BE COUNTED IN THEIR DIRECT.

SO WE WOULDN'T KNOW.

SO IF THE NUMBER IS 6,001 OUT OF THAT 6,000 INDIVIDUAL MAY HAVE BEEN STOPPED NINE OR 10 TIMES, BUT WE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW BASED ON THIS DAD.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU.

YEP.

UM, SO ONE WOULD EXPECT THAT THE MOVE THAT WAS MADE, THE COMMUNITY PUSH AND THE PUSH FROM ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOURS TO AND ARRESTS FOR NON-BILLABLE OFFENSES WOULD HAVE HAD A PRETTY DRAMATIC IMPACT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE THE 60% OF ARRESTS FOR MOVING VIOLATIONS.

AND YOU SAID THAT THEY HADN'T REALLY, UM, DISCLOSED OR REPORTED ON OR COLLECTED DATA ON WHAT SPECIFICALLY THOSE MOVING VIOLATIONS WERE.

UM, I STILL WOULD HAVE EXPECTED A DECLINE OR, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT OF REDUCTION THERE CAN, CAN, Y'ALL HAVE, Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS ABOUT, UM, ENDING ARREST FOR NAAJA LEVELS AND MOVING VIOLATIONS, BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT HIGH DISCRETION ARRESTS,

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A LOT OF THEM WERE, YOU KNOW, FAILURE TO SIGNAL OR FAILURE TO WEAR A SEAT BELT, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE SANDRA BLAND ACT REQUIRED REPORTING AFTER AN ARREST ON THESE ISSUES FOR THIS EXACT REASON.

UM, I KNOW, CAN YOU ALL JUST TALK ABOUT YOUR SENSE OF ALL THAT AND HOW THAT FACTORS INTO YOUR DATA AND YOUR REPORT? SO I JUST HAD TO PULL THE REPORT REALLY QUICK BECAUSE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS INTERESTING, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK WHERE YOU'RE GETTING TO GETTING, GOING TOWARDS IS THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WERE PASSED AROUND FREEDOM CITIES AND, UM, UM, BASICALLY, UH, THE DECRIMINALIZATION OF CERTAIN, CERTAIN, CERTAIN ACTS.

AND SO I, I DO, I, I, WE DIDN'T REALLY NECESSARILY, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO TIE IT TO THE TRAFFIC STOPS.

I DO WONDER AS I'M THINKING, PARTICULARLY WITH RICHARD'S QUESTION IS IF WE WOULD SEE THAT MAYBE IN THE PEDESTRIAN STOPS TO SEE SOME OF THAT.

UM, THE DECLINE OF PARTICULARLY IF WE COMPARE 2018 TO 2019 OR THE YEAR BEFORE IT WAS APPROVED, AND THEN THE YEAR AFTER IMPLEMENTATION, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, BUT WHAT WAS AN INTERESTING TREND THAT WE FOUND, UM, THAT ABD COULDN'T REALLY GIVE US AN ANSWER FOR? WAS THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN, UM, WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, RIGHT? SO LIKE IN 2017 IT WAS 39,000 IN 2018, IT WAS 50,000 IN 2019, IT WAS 77,000.

EVERYTHING ELSE WENT DOWN.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE CITATION NUMBER, CITATION NUMBER WENT DOWN, HAS CONTINUED AND GONE DOWN, UM, FROM 2015 TO 2019.

SO LIKE IN 2015, IT WAS 106,000 CITATIONS IN 2019.

IT WENT DOWN TO 50,000.

SO I, I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS IN THOSE NUMBERS.

UM, BECAUSE WE SEE LESS.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ARREST, THEY ARREST NUMBERS HAVE GONE DOWN.

SO FROM 2018, THE ARREST WAS ABOUT 11,000.

IT WENT DOWN TO SEVEN, 7,000.

SO, UM, WE ASKED THEM ABOUT KIND OF WHAT, WHAT DO THEY ATTRIBUTE THIS? UM, AND THEY COULDN'T REALLY POINT US TO SOMETHING, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT MAYBE SOMETHING, ANOTHER THING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT IS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, ANY OF THE KIND OF FREEDOM CITY RESOLUTIONS THAT OR PASS COULD BE THE REASON WHY WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS INCREASED AND WHY THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS AND ARRESTS HAVE DECREASED OVER TIME SINCE 2015.

SO JUST, UH, JUST GIVE ME A QUICK NOTE, IT'S ON PAGE 27 OF THE REPORT.

SO I'M, I'M, IT MAY BE A STRETCH, BUT WE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT, UH, OF THOSE THREE CATEGORIES WARNINGS FOR THOSE REASONS, CITATIONS AND ARRESTS, THAT THE WARNINGS INCREASED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY IN 2019.

I HAVE A QUESTION, A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.

SO THE WARNINGS INCREASED, DID THEY INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY? UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE WARNINGS INCREASED TWO TIMES CITATIONS REDUCED ONE TIME, AND IF THE WARNINGS IN CERTAIN SECTORS AND CERTAIN AREAS INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY, LIKE SAY IN EAST AUSTIN, EVEN IF CITATIONS DID DECREASE, IF THERE WERE AN INCREASE IN WARNINGS AND MORE PRESENT AND MORE OF A, UM, MORE INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE, REGARDLESS OF HOW IT IS, AND TO WHAT DEGREE IT IS THAT THERE ARE AN EXPLOSION OF WARNINGS AND I CAN'T GET DOWN THE STREETS STILL WITHOUT BEING STOPPED.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS TOO, LIKE, IT COULD BE A GOOD THING.

YEAH.

BUT QUESTION MARK, IS IT, YEAH, WE HAVE THE RAW NUMBERS IN THE REPORT.

UM, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP WITH OUR, UM, OUR DATA CONSULTANT TO SEE WHAT THE CHANGES BETWEEN, UM, 2018 AND 2019.

CAUSE LIKE WHEN I'M LOOKING AT, IN THE ATOM SECTOR, THERE WERE 13,000 WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATION.

SO WHAT I HEAR YOU ASKING ME WAS, OKAY, SINCE THAT NUMBER HAS INCREASED FOR 2019, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER IN 2018 TO SEE IF THAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO THIS BOOP, A PARTICULAR AREA OF TOWN? I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT I HEAR YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD 13,000 MORE WARRANTS THINGS, BUT 500 FEWER CITATIONS, YOU KNOW, JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT MATH SPEAKERS OUT.

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YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK, I DON'T KNOW.

I SHOULDN'T SPEAK, I DON'T TALK THAT UP EVEN THOUGH I'M KIND OF GOING DOWN AND OUT.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN ASK OUR RESEARCHER TO LOOK INTO.

I, I, I BELIEVE HE ALREADY HAS THIS INFORMATION, SO I DIDN'T TAKE THAT AS A FOLLOW-UP.

THANK YOU, MR. FLORES.

YEAH.

UM, I KIND OF HAD A FOLLOW-UP ON COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ BURGERS, UH, QUESTION AND, AND REALLY, UM, WELL, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, LATIN X FOLKS AND WHETHER THEY'RE, UH, BEING IDENTIFIED CORRECTLY AS LATIN, NOT NEXT FOLKS, OR MAYBE BEING IDENTIFIED AS SOMETHING ELSE.

AND, UM, WHETHER THAT'S TIED TO, I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT WAS SELF IDENTIFYING OR THE, THE OFFICERS, UM, ARE IDENTIFYING SOMETIMES AS WELL.

AND THEN I BELIEVE BRIAN, YOU SAID THAT, UM, THE RE THIS REPORT IS KIND OF ALSO IN KEEPING WITH WHAT, UH, NATIONAL REPORTS ARE DOING ARE NATIONAL GUIDELINES, IS THAT CORRECT? SO IS THERE, UM, IS THERE A STANDARD IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE COLLECTED, DIFFERENT CITIES ARE COLLECTING THIS DATA.

I KNOW THAT THIS IS A TRICKY, A VERY, VERY TRICKY THING.

RIGHT.

UM, BUT IS, ARE PEOPLE LOOKING AT, ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO STICK WITH THE SELF IDENTIFICATION OR, OR, UH, POLICE IDENTIFICATION, I GUESS, ON, ON RACE DATA SPECIFICALLY ON THIS? I THINK I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO HOW THERE'S CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD OR, OR KIND OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCURATE, BE LIKE CARRIE SPEAKING MORE TO LIKE THE, THE DATA STANDARDS, BUT WE DID HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND IMPROVING THE DATA STANDARDS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE THINK IT'S BEST TO HAVE PEOPLE SELF IDENTIFY AROUND RACE AND ETHNICITY.

UM, SO THAT WE CLEAR IT DOES BECOME VERY PROBLEMATIC WHEN WE HAVE OFFICERS, UM, WHO, WHO HONESTLY, GUESTS ARE ASSIGN THAT.

YEAH.

UM, I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING IS SOME OF THE DATA IN THE REPORT THAT LOOKS AT TRENDS WHEN, WHEN OFFICERS SAY THAT THE RACE IS KNOWN OF THE DRIVER BEFORE THE STOP, UM, IT'S JUST REALLY INTERESTING TO ME.

UM, WE ALSO SORT OF HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE WAY THAT WE EVEN SORT OF CODE FOR GENDER.

UH, AND SO IT'S JUST BINARY, MALE, FEMALE.

UM, AND SO, UH, SO THAT MEANS THAT WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE DON'T CAPTURE EVERYONE THAT WAY IN THE RIGHT WAY.

UM, WE CALL IT LIKE THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN CARRIE, I DON'T, I'M NOT TOO SURE ABOUT WHETHER ADDITIONAL DATA RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU ALL HAD.

I TH I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED AS, RIGHT, I MEAN, FROM THE DATA STANDARD, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE CENSUS DOES, RIGHT.

AND SO THE CENSUS ALSO HAS SOME CHALLENGES ALONG THOSE SAME LINES.

IF WE'RE DOING A DISPROPORTIONALITY ANALYSIS AND IT'S FOR TRAFFIC STOPS, AND EVERYBODY WHO CAN DRIVE IS ELIGIBLE FOR A TRAFFIC STOP, THEN YOU HAVE TO FIND THAT DATA SET.

SO RIGHT NOW THAT DATA SET IS COMING FROM THE CENSUS.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE LAGGING KIND OF AN EMERGING PRACTICE IF YOU'RE ANCHORED TO THAT POPULATION WIDE DATA.

SO I THINK WHAT BRIAN IS HIGHLIGHTING IS THE WAY AROUND THAT, WHICH IS YOU HAVE A BALANCING PROCESS OF SELF-IDENTIFICATION, UM, THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN SHORE UP THE DATA WITH.

YEAH.

AND THEN I GUESS IT'S, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF A, A QUESTION I HAVE TO THEN, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR LIKE TRANS AND NON-BINARY FOLKS, RIGHT.

UM, I GUESS I'M KIND OF QUESTIONING HOW, LIKE, HOW WOULD YOU, UM, MAYBE, MAYBE I HAVE SOME, SOME NEED SOME CLARITY AROUND THE PROCESS OF LIKE, SAY SOMEBODY STOPPED.

RIGHT.

AND THEY'RE LIKE, I HAD, DEPENDING ON WHAT CITY I'M IN AND VERY ETHNICALLY AMBIGUOUS, SO PEOPLE READ ON TO ME, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO READ ONTO ME.

UM, BUT SO WOULD THAT BE AN INSTANCE WHERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT CLICKING THIS DATA, WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE ASKING THE OFFICERS TO, UM, TO ASK THE PERSON WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, WRITING A CITATION OR, OR, UH, DOING A WARNING OR IS THIS JUST BASED ON THE CENSUS DATA? SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE COMPARING TWO DATA SETS, RIGHT? THE APD COLLECTED DATA COMPARED TO THE CENSUS DATA.

SO YOU HAVE TWO, TWO SOURCES.

UM,

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IF WE'RE CALIBRATING APDS DATA, THAT'S WHERE A SELF IDENTIFICATION, UM, OPPORTUNITY CAN KIND OF PROVIDE, UH, A BALANCING MEASURE ON APD SIDE.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AS A, AS A PROPORTION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN POPULATION, THE BEST SOURCE FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, IN WE'RE LOOKING AT DRIVING AGE, THE BEST SOURCE FOR THAT IS THE CENSUS OF VOTING AGE CAUSE THAT'S READILY ACCESSIBLE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO ON THE APD SIDE, I THINK OUR ISSUE WAS THAT WHEN AN OFFICER DOES A STOP, UM, OUR PROTOCOLS, DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO ASK THE PERSON, STOP TO SELF IDENTIFY.

UM, THEY HAVE OPTION OF ASKING, OR THEY CAN EITHER ASSIGN THAT.

AND WE THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE IT SORT OF GETS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC WITH THE DATA ON TRYING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND.

AND WE CAN'T TELL FROM THE DATA, UM, HOW THE OFFICER GOT THAT DATA, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

RIGHT.

UM, WE JUST HAVE THE FIELD CHECK AND WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SURE HOW OFTEN, UM, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS ASKED OR HOW OFTEN WE ASSUME, OR WE GUESS.

AND, UH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE THINK THAT WE COULD RUN INTO SOME ISSUES WHERE WE ASSUME OR GUESS, UH, RACE, ETHNICITY.

I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY THE SAME FOR GENDER TOO.

RIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

AND I THINK THEN KIND OF THE QUESTION ALSO WOULD BECOME, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES WHERE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY COMMUNITIES ARE BEING OVERPOLICED, OR MAYBE OVERREPRESENTED IN SOME OF THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, TICKETING OR ARREST OR WHATEVER, UM, ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BE WILLING TO GIVE ANY SORT OF DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, IF THEY'RE FEELING LIKE THEY'RE ALREADY BEING KIND OF PROFILED, THERE MIGHT BE A RESISTANCE TO GIVING ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION.

SO, UM, I GUESS KIND OF LOOKING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT MIGHT BE, I, I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE A BIGGER, BIGGER QUESTION, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, HOW DO WE ACCURATELY CAPTURE THIS DATA AND ALSO, UM, HOLD SPACE FOR COMMUNITIES TO FEEL SAFE AND NOT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE, THERE'S ANOTHER STEP IN INTERROGATION, UM, IN, IN THIS PUBLIC SAFETY FORUM.

AND THEN, UH, JUST A QUICK NOTE ON, ON THAT PART OF FAIR, YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT IF YOU SAW ANY DISPARITY IN THIS, UH, THIS YEAR'S NUMBERS, UH, IN REFERENCE TO, WITH COVID, THAT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF INTERESTING.

AND HONESTLY, I WOULD KIND OF BE SURPRISED IF THERE WEREN'T GIVEN THE FACT THAT I THINK SO MANY, UM, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY WORKING FRONTLINE JOBS AND LIKE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY OUT THERE GOING OUT THERE NOT HAVING THE LUXURY OF WORKING AT HOME.

SO I KIND OF IMAGINE THAT WE'LL SEE THE SAME, BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO KNOWS, BUT, UM, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCMANN.

YEAH.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THE DATA POOL FROM THE CENSUS.

UM, BUT I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL DO WITH THE DATA AROUND DRIVING AGE PEOPLE, 16 AND 17 YEAR OLDS SPECIFICALLY.

UM, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO, UM, PULL THAT DATA AND TO PROVIDE, UH, AN OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF THAT BASED ON, UH, I'M BEING, OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT A DATA PERSON, BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW YOUNG PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE IN THEIR VEHICLES? YEAH, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.

THERE IS A REASON WHY WE WENT WITH 18 AND OVER, I THINK IT'S, UM, IT WAS, UM, SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CENSUS DATA.

UM, I ALSO THINK THAT THE, THE NUMBER, THE, THE DATA FROM LIKE 16 TO 18 MAY HAVE BEEN LESS RELIABLE.

UM, AND SO I, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH OUR DATA PERSON BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON WHY WE STARTED AT 18.

UM, AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT, UM, AT, UM, AT, UM, YOUTH, UM, IN THE WAY THEY ARE IMPACTED BY POLICING.

UM, FOR US, I THINK UTILIZING, UM, A STANDARD DATA SET, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY