[Call to Order]
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UM, SO STARTING TONIGHT'S ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, IT IS JANUARY 19TH AT 6:03 PM.
AND I WILL DO THE ROLL CALL FIRST COMMISSIONER ACOSTA.
UH, VICE CHAIR, BOROUGH RAMIREZ HERE.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER DESCARTES.
I DO NOT SEE A COMMISSIONER DANGLER COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.
OH, WHY DIDN'T YOU SPEAK UP, SPEAK COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.
WHY NOT USE UNMUTE YOURSELF? OKAY.
AND THE FIRST, UM, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, AND I SAW THERE WAS NOBODY SIGNED UP FOR A CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.
[Reading of the Agenda]
A ONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.AND THIS IS THE CONSENT AGENDA, A ONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 15TH, 2020 A TO APPROVE APPROVAL MINUTES FROM JANUARY 5TH, 2020.
AND THEN, UH, THEN I IS BEING ONE, A CONSENT ITEM OR A DISCUSSION ITEM, CHAIR COMMISSIONS.
IT WAS, UM, UH, IS BEING PULLED.
I THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS GONNA PULL IT UP.
COMMISSIONER GARY AND COMMISSIONER KING.
IT'S SO IT IS NOW A DISCUSSION ITEM AND I WOULD'VE PULLED IT TOO.
SO JUST GOT TO TURN THE HEAD AND BE OKAY.
THEN BE TO RAISE AND I SHOULD I HAVE TO READ IT.
B ONE ZONING C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE TWO ONE HOLLAND STONE DISTRICT FIVE.
AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM B TWO REZONING C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO THREE ONE F P T APARTMENTS.
AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REQUESTING A POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 16TH AND IT IS THEIR FIRST REQUEST.
B3 ZONING, C 14 DASH 2020 DASH TWO ONE THREE EIGHT TCR MCKINNEY FALLS.
AND THAT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM BEFORE REZONING.
SEE 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE TWO TWO.
THE IS AT PIONEER HILL SOUTH SIDE.
THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND, UH, B FIVE REZONING, C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE TWO THREE.
THE BILL IS THAT PRAYING NEAR HILL NORTH SIDE.
AND THAT IS ALSO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[Consent Agenda]
AGENDA, IT IS A ONE AND EIGHT TO THE MINUTES AND B TO NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT REQUEST TO FEBRUARY 16TH AND B FOUR AND B FIVE IS, WAS THEIR EMOTION ON THAT.OH, BEFORE I ASKED FOR A MOTION, IS THERE ANYBODY HANGING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE B TWO, BUT THAT IS BEING POSTPONED, UH, B FOUR OR B FIVE AND HEARING NONE THEN, UM, MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ACOSTA.
ALL THOSE AND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PUBLIC, HEARING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UNANIMOUS.
[B1. Rezoning C14-2020-0121 - Holland Stone; District 5 (Part 1 of 2)]
NOW B ONE, THE REZONING AND THE STAFF MEMBER IS MARK GRAHAM.SO, UM, MR. GRAHAM, CAN YOU GO AHEAD EVEN SHARING MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ON MARK RATING FROM HOUSING AND PLANNING THE CASE BEFORE YOU NOW IS THE C 14 2020 ZERO ONE 21 CALLED HOLLAND STONE ADDRESSES 1105 MATTHEWS LANE.
THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM D R Q S F PI THE SITES, APPROXIMATELY 2.49 ACRES,
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AND THE CLINTON ZONING PERMITS ONE DWELLING UNIT ON THAT.SO THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING HIS OWN CHANGE TO BUILD MORE UNITS ON THE TWO AND A HALF ACRES.
UM, HE'S PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 10 UNITS, UH, THE URBAN FAMILY RESIDENCE, SF FIVE PERMITS, UM, BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY UNITS ON THE 57, 15 SQUARE FOOT, LOTS LIKE THE SF TWO AND SFC THREE ZONES, UNLIKE A SF TWO AND THREE, THE A S F FIVE ALSO PERMITS BUILDING MULTIPLE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON A SINGLE LOT AND CLUSTERING THEM.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE TOWN HOME, UM, ON THIS, WHICH IS UNDER SECTION 25, TWO FIVE FIVE NINE, AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, WITH A MINIMUM OF THOUSAND 500 SQUARE FEET AND AT LEAST 3,500 SQUARE FEET PER DWELLING UNIT, MULTIPLE UNITS CAN BE BUILT ON THE SFI UP TO A MAXIMUM OF SIX DWELLINGS PER LOT.
AND SO AS, AS IS TYPICAL, WE HAVE NEITHER A SITE PLAN NOR SUBDIVISION LAYOUT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL BE SUBDIVIDING.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAPS A LOT WILL BE LAID OUT.
AND SO WE, WE CAN'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE YIELD IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS WILL BE TOTAL.
UM, BUT HE'S TOLD US IN THE APPLICATION AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE TRANSPORTATION REVIEW, THAT HE'S PLANNING 10 UNITS, UM, HE'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONDOMINIUMS, UH, WHICH ARE ALLOWED IN SF SIX, IF YOU, UH, FRONT-ON TO, UH, THE CORRECT LEVEL AND STREET.
BUT MATTHEWS LANE IS A LOCAL RESIDENTIAL STREET AND DOES NOT ALLOW THE CONDOMINIUMS ARE THE MAIN FEATURE OF THE LOT.
AND THERE WAS A MAP IN THE STAFF RECORD SHOWING YOU THIS WAS, THIS WAS A CREEK BUFFER, UH, THAT PREVENTS BUILDING ON A LARGE PART OF THE LAW AND POTENTIALLY ACCESS TO THE REAL IT'S A LOT SO THAT THE SF FIVE ZONING WOULD PERMIT CLUSTERING THE UNITS ON THE PORTION CLOSER TO MATTHEW'S LANE, UH, THAT IS OUT OF THE, UH, CREEK THE BUFFER ZONE.
SO, UH, STAFF STAFF IS SUPPORTING THE REQUESTED REZONING TO SF FIVE IT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, BECAUSE IT, IT HAS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SIMILAR TO, UH, THE ZONING THAT'S NEARBY, THE SF ONE, TWO AND THREE ZONES.
UM, ALSO LET'S SEE, SO THAT THERE'S ARMING CHANGES WOULD PROMOTE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT AND NEARBY, UH, USES.
UM, THE ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW CLUSTERING.
ALSO THE CLUSTERING ALLOWS FOR LIMITED DRIVEWAYS AT MATTHEWS LANES THAT'S DESIRABLE.
UM, THEN IT PROMOTES, UH, IMAGINE AUSTIN GOALS, UH, CREATING, UH, SOME VARIETY OF HOUSING, UM, AND, UH, FOR POTENTIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE THE STAFF RECORDS THAT REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT ONLINE, THAT HE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT IS NOT, IS, UM, ANDREW IS TRYING TO CONTACT HIM TO REMIND HIM THAT HE NEEDS TO BE ON.
UM, ANDREW, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF HIM ON ANDREW? HER VOICEMAIL? AND I SENT AN EMAIL, UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE ON THE TELECONFERENCE JUST YET.
AND THEN I THINK THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY POSTPONE THIS, NOT A POSTPONE, BUT WE COULD TABLE IT UNTIL LATER.
UM, SO WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT SPEAK AND WHAT, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE, I BELIEVE IT WOULD REQUIRE A MOTION TO DO THAT.
COMMISSIONER KING, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL AFTER OUR NEXT CASE DISCUSSION ITEM B3.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KING, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GARY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, FAVOR OF TABLING IT UNTIL AFTER OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S
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UNANIMOUS.OKAY THEN, SO WE WILL JUST GO ON TO
[B3. Zoning C14-2020-0138 - TCR McKinney Falls; (Contiguous to District 2)]
B THREE ZONING CASE, AND THAT IS WENDY RHODES IS THE STAFF MEMBER.OH, AND THANK YOU, MR. GRAHAM, ALSO FOR THAT.
AND, UM, AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE GETTING BACK TO YOU.
SO B3 COMMISSIONER, CHECK YOUR BOSS.
I WANT TO NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER DANKER HAS JOINED US AND I BELIEVE SHE JOINED US RIGHT ABOUT THE TIME THAT WE APPROVED THE CONSENT AGENDA.
NOW ON TO B THREE AND WENDY, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN COMMISSION MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS WENDY RHODES WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS CASEY 14, 2020 ZERO ONE 38 ADDRESS AT 82 ZERO ONE BAXTON ROAD.
IT'S IN, AND THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY IN THE UNINCORPORATED SECTION OF TRAVIS COUNTY.
IT IS PROPOSED FOR ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY'S FULL PURPOSE JURISDICTION IN, UH, ON FEBRUARY 18TH, THIS CASE, AS WELL AS THE CORRESPONDING ANNEXATION CASE IS SCHEDULED FOR COUNSEL ON THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, THERE IS, IS THERE IS A WATER TANK AND IT IS OTHERWISE AN UNDEVELOPED AND USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES.
THERE IS A SEGMENT OF MARBLE CREEK ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND TO THE EAST IS UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT HAS SSRA ZONING AS WELL AS THE RECENTLY ANNEXED PORTION OF EASTERN PARK, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS PILOT KNOB PUD, UH, TO THE WEST ACROSS, UH, ELAM ROCK DRIVE.
THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS ON STANDARD WATTS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ZONE THE PROPERTY TO THE SFC SIX DISTRICT AS THE FIRST STEP IN CONSTRUCTING UP TO 105 FAMILY RESIDENCES ON A SINGLE SITE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ACCESS TO MCKINNEY FALLS PARKWAY AND BAXTON ROAD.
AND THE STAFF BELIEVES THAT SF SIX ZONING AT THIS LOCATION IS REASONABLE, UH, IN, IN A LOWER RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IT WILL ALLOW FOR THE ABILITY TO INTRODUCE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING TO THE AREA YET IT WILL CONSIST OF AND HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY APPEARANCE AND BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES THAT ARE IN THE VICINITY.
UH, SF SIX ZONING IN THIS CASE WILL ALSO ALLOW FOR CLUSTERING GIVEN THE, UH, MARBLE CREEK FLOOD PLAIN, THAT IS LOCATED ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE MODERATE TREE COVERAGE THAT EXISTS THROUGHOUT.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE AS WELL AS AT LEAST ONE, UH, INTERESTED RESIDENT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MIKE KING IS ON THE LINE AND SIGNED UP TO INDY.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, MICHAEL KING WITH HUSH BLACKWELL ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TREMBLE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO HAPPY WITH ME TONIGHT, CARL HERSHEY WITH CRIMINAL CROW, UM, AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND I CLAYTON STROLL, UH, ARE ENGINEERED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, UM, LIKE WHAT SPECIFIC DETAILS, UH, TO PLEASE, I SAID, THIS IS A 24 ACRE TRACT OF LAND IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE ETJ.
UM, IT'S NOT DEVELOPED, WE'RE PROPOSING 105 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON A SINGLE LOT.
UH, WE'RE PUSHING THE HOMES INTO A CLUSTERED AREA ADJACENT TO MAKE ANY FALSE PARKWAY.
AND NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, THREE WE'RE IN THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE.
AND, UM, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS THAT WE HAVE A PLAN HERE TO TRAIL GOING ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY, AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY 10, UM, AND PARKS ABOUT DEDICATING PARKLAND THERE, AND ALSO HELPING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TRIAL FOR THAT AREA.
AND WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING, UM, DEDICATION OF ALL PARKLAND ONSITE FROM PAGE FOUR.
YOU HAVE JUST A GENERAL MAP OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION, UH, SOUTHEAST AUSTIN.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, AND NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE FIVE THAT SHOWS THE AREAS ZONING.
SO WE HAVE ETJ IN THE LIMITED PURPOSE AND SOME SF TWO AS WELL.
AND ON SLIDE SIX, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE DESIGN AND WHAT, UM, MAYBE JUST GET ANTICIPATE IF THIS IS APPROVED.
UH, THESE ARE, UM, LIKE WE MENTIONED BEFORE, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT IN A MORE COMPACT AREA,
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AND I'M TOLD SEVEN INCHES DURING THE FLIGHT, THE SORT OF INTERIORS LOOK LIKE FOR THESE, UH, PLANNED UNITS PAGE EIGHT.UH, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT WOULD COME TO THE CITY BASED ON THE REASONING, INCLUDING I DIDN'T SEE THE TAX TAX ROLLS OF THE CITY, UM, AND FORCING AND MAKING ENFORCEABLE THE CITY FOR OUR ZONING AND SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND CONNECTING PEOPLE WITH FIRE EMS, UH, WASTEWATER RECYCLING AND OTHER SERVICES.
UM, AND WE'LL ALSO BE PROVIDING NEW FAMILY FRIENDLY HOUSING IN THE FORM OF THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS, WHICH I THINK IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS AREA.
WHEN WE HAVE SOME CURRENTLY UNDER ENROLLED PUBLIC SCHOOLS NEARBY ON PAGE NINE, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE DENSITY AND IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THIS PROPERTY, WHERE OF COURSE, NOPE, UM, WOULD HAVE SOME 55% MAXIMUM PREVIOUS COVER UNDER THE SF SIX ZONING CATEGORY AND THIS WATERSHED, BUT I DON'T ANYTHING ABOUT HALF OF THAT.
AND WE'RE ONLY PLANNING ABOUT 4.3 UNITS PER ACRE AND 30 COVERS.
AND WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING ABOUT 15% WHEN WE'RE ABOUT MUCH MORE PAGE 10 SHOWS WORKING SLIGHTLY OUT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, EVERYTHING AND SALMON IS, UM, SOMETHING WE CANNOT DEVELOP.
UM, THE OTHER IS FLOOD PLAIN AND CRITICAL WATER QUALITIES ON, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES, WE'LL COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE CITY'S, UM, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND WATERSHED REGULATIONS, AND ALSO BE HAVING A 75 FOOT BUFFER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, PAGE 11 AND A DRAINAGE AND DETENTION, UM, ARE, UM, SOME ISSUES IN THIS AREA.
AND SO I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY CODE REQUIRES US TO DEMONSTRATE THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT INCREASE, UM, ANY FLOODING RISKS ADJACENT OR NEARBY DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES.
AND WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT BY PROVIDING ONSITE, UM, WATER DETENTION AND THE WATER QUALITY PONDS TO CAPTURE MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THAT WILL BE BASED IN THE ATLAS 14 DATA.
AND WE'LL ALSO BE HAVING A LOT OF, UM, PRESENTED AREA ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE, UH, NATIVE PLANT SPECIES ON SLIDE 12.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES WE'RE SAYING OUT OF THE CREEK.
UM, WE'RE HAVING DOUBLE THE NORMAL WETLAND FEATURES FOR OUR BUFFER IN THE NORTH AND DOING NATIVE DROP TOLERANT LANDSCAPING.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AND I'M HERE ALONG WITH CARL AND CLAYTON TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IF YOU OKAY.
AND SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT CARL IS CARL HERSHEY ASSIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
DOES HE WISH TO SPEAK OR, UM, MR. HERSHEY, I DID SEE HIM, BUT HE'S PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
LET HIM CHAIR AND HE'S JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, MONTE WARDEN, AND MR. WARDEN, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, UM, MONTE.
WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME.
I'VE LIVED IN THE AREA FOR 25 YEARS.
MY HOUSE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST FOUR TO GO UP, UH, AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT MOBILE CREEK EVERY DAY, NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS FOR 25 YEARS.
AND, UH, COMING OFF OF FAXED AND ROADS THE WAY THAT CREEK TURNS SO DRAMATICALLY AS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE NORTHWEST.
UH, IT JUST GOES FROM THIS NAME, JUST SOMETHING REALLY IT'S DECEPTIVE.
IT CAN BE JUST LAZY ONE MINUTE AND LITERALLY DEADLY THE NEXT.
AND, UH, MY CONCERN IS WITH THE FLOODS THAT WE HAD IN 2000 AND 2001.
AND THEN OF COURSE IN OCTOBER, 2013 AND 2015, WE WERE UNABLE TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE UP CLOSER TO FAXING AND SALT SPRINGS, UH, BASED ON THE FLOODING ON MARBLE CREEK.
AND, UH, AND I UNDERSTOOD THE PRESENTATION THAT MR. KING JUST MARRIED AND, AND THEIR PLANS AHEAD.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE LOOKED AT IT EVERY DAY FOR 25 YEARS OUT MY BACKYARD AND I AM A CAPITALIST AND I BELIEVE IN PROGRESS AND I'VE SEEN MY HOME VALUES INCREASE TWO AND A HALF FOLD SINCE I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE.
SO I'M ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROGRESS AND EVERYTHING, BUT I ST THIS IS, THIS IS
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DANGEROUS.AND, UH, WHAT I HAVE SEEN THIS CREEK VIEW, UH, HAS BEEN MASSIVE AND, AND IT IS HUMBLING TO SEE.
AND MY CONCERN IS IF THIS IS ALLOWED WITH WHATEVER THE DEVELOPERS ARE PLANNING, YOU KNOW, TH THERE CAN BE A PIECE OF PAPER OR A SLIDE Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT, AND YOU CAN BELIEVE THOSE, OR YOU CAN BELIEVE MY LINE EYES.
I HAVE SEEN THIS THING RAGE AND, AND BECOME A TORRENT.
AND MY CONCERN FOR Y'ALL IS AT THE, AT THE VERY BEST CASE SCENARIO YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THIS IN POORLY WITH LITIGATION AND THE VERY WORST CASE SCENARIO, MARK, MY WORDS, I WISH THIS WOULDN'T BE TRUE, BUT IT IS.
SO THIS WILL END WITH TRAGEDY.
THAT CREEK DOES NOT MESS AROUND.
AND WHEN IT GETS DONE, IT IS QUICK.
I MEAN, IT, YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED IN CENTRAL TEXAS, MY WHOLE LIFE.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE SINCE THE 1830S, AND IT IS JUST A STRAIGHT UP TYPICAL CENTRAL TEXAS CREEK THAT BECOMES A FLASH FLOOD IN A MOMENT.
AND IN 2013, 2015, WE COULDN'T GET IT OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ONE WAS FOR TWO DAYS.
AND IN THAT THE WATER FROM MARBLE CREEK WAS COMING UP IN OUR BACKYARD AND WE'RE A GOOD, SOLID COUPLE OF HUNDRED YARDS AWAY.
AND I DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS JUST WHATEVER THE DEVELOPER IS TELLING Y'ALL.
I KNOW THEY'RE, I KNOW THEY'RE BEING HONEST AND I KNOW THEY'RE BEING EARNEST, BUT THIS DELAY, THAT CREEP TURNS IS SO DRAMATIC.
THAT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THEY CAN DO.
WHEN, UH, WHEN, WHEN I MET, WHEN I COME IN AND I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT MAJOR FLOODS IN 25 YEARS, BUT AT LEAST ONE OR TWO FLOODS EVERY YEAR, ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER MY TIME.
UH, AND I JUST REALLY HOPE Y'ALL WILL HEAT OUR WORDS THAT, UH, DEVELOPING HERE IS GOING TO BE, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO BE A TRAGIC MISTAKE AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T GET MADE.
AND THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING ME.
AND NOW, UM, MICAH KING, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.
UM, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS THAT I THINK THAT IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, AND THE RULES THAT APPLY THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY INCREASED RISK OF FLOODING TO MR. WARDEN'S PROPERTY OR OTHER PROPERTIES.
AND I WANT TO MENTION THAT WITHOUT PRESENTING AN EXCAVATION ANNEXATION, WE'RE ALREADY AT ALL TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
THE BENEFIT OF HAVING ZONING IN EXPLORATION IS THAT THIS PROPERTY THAT'S NOT FOR THE SUBJECT FOR ALL OF THE CITY'S RULES WILL BECOME SEPARATE TO ALL OF THE CITY FUELS AND REGULATIONS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO ENACT THEIR PROPERTIES FOR THAT REASON WE WANT TO, AND WE WANT TO DO THAT.
WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO IT SINCE LAST YEAR BEFORE COVID HIT, AND WE HAVE AN EXHALATION PETITION ON FILE.
AND, UM, THE CASES HAD BEEN SYNCHRONIZED.
SO WE, UM, ARE DEALT WITH, WITH THE CITY WATERSHED DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE A VERY BIG DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT, NOT THE, OF WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY.
AND LIKE I SAID, I COULD ALREADY BE DONE.
AND SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO, UM, EXPAND ITS REGULATORY POWER OVER THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO IT MIGHT BE KIND OF COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAT THIS WHOLE TO, TO THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTY AS IT IS CURRENTLY.
AND NOW IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DANGLER, SECONDED BY DONUT RUN, COMMISSIONER SMITH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND IT IS UNANIMOUS.
AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY THE APPLICANT OR ANYBODY OR COMMISSIONER DUNCAN? HOW ABOUT NOW? OKAY.
WE'VE HAD TWO POWER OUTAGES A DAY AND A COMPUTER SORT OF SLUGGISH, BUT, UM, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, I MAY ASK A FEW AND THEN MAYBE, UH, I'LL SAY AT THE OUTSET, UH, UH, I, I
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THINK THAT, UH, THE ON STAFF HAS COME UP WITH, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST SUITABLE, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE BECAUSE OF CERTAIN CONDITIONS.AS I LOOKED AT IT, WE'VE GOT ABOUT A 24 ACRE SITE AND ONLY ABOUT HALF OF THAT DEVELOPED, WE'LL PUT YOUR SPOTS HAPPENING.
SO AS FAR AS THE GENTLEMAN HAD JUST TALKED TO LIVED OVER ON MARBLE RIDGE OR WHATEVER IT WAS, UH, I THINK, BUT THAT CARE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON MOBILE RIDGE ARE BASICALLY FLAT BLANK.
I'M NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND THIS FRUSTRATION.
IT'S ONE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, IN THE CITY OF DOWN THERE, UH, WITH, UH, HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THE SITE PLAN, WHICH I'M GLAD WAS SHOWN IN THE PRESENTATION, CAUSE IT WASN'T BACKED UP SHOWS THAT THE NEAREST DEVELOPMENT IS SEVEN, 800 FEET AWAY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S QUITE A DISTANCE.
SO I THINK, UH, THAT, THAT CRITICAL WATERSHED, THE, UH, ALL OF THAT CLUSTERING IS PROBABLY THE ONLY ANSWER TO GET SOME TYPE OF REASONABLE RETURN ON THIS SITE.
ONE IS PRIVATE, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS AS A, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT, UH, IN THE HISTORY OF THAT W WHAT ACTUALLY IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE STREET.
IS THAT GOING TO BE AN OPEN SPACE OR IS THAT, UH, UH, TO ATTRACT JUST NORTH OF THIS? I COULDN'T REALLY TELL ON OUR BACKUP MATERIAL, WHAT IT WAS ZONED IF IT WAS ON ANYTHING OR IF IT WAS ALSO DR.
UH, SO THAT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WITH MAYBE NOT BEAR ON IT.
UH, HERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT IT, UH, UH, OH, THE OTHER THING IS THE APPLICANT MADE A STATEMENT, WHICH I WILL SEND DIRECTLY TO STAFF AGREES WITH ME THAT THERE IS NO MAXIMUM DENSITY OF THE SF SIX.
I THINK THERE IS A MAXIMUM DENSITY BECAUSE SF SIX, IF I RECALL REQUIRES A 57 50 LOT.
AND IF YOU THAT FITS FOR SEVEN 50 INTO, UH, UH, UH, AN ACRE, YOU GET ABOUT EIGHT UNITS AN ACRE AND YOU MULTIPLY IT.
SO I THINK THAT THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH LIMITED TO ABOUT 110, 112, A PARTIAL OF FUNGUS, WHICH THEY ARE UNDER 105.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE HERE.
UH, UH, THE, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS THERE.
PARDON ME? OH, UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I LIKED ABOUT THE PRESENTATION, AND I THINK THIS IS GOOD WHEN THE APPLICANT MAKES THESE PRESENTATIONS SUPPLEMENT STAFF, IS THAT THEY HAD 80 OUT OF 105 UNITS, THREE BEDROOMS. UH, I WILL ASK THAT THREE BEDROOMS ARE BIGGER UNITS AND THEY'RE MOVING IT OUT INTO THE AFFORDABILITY RANGE, BUT I THINK WE NEED MORE OF THE LARGER UNITS IN THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THE FAMILIES.
SO THE DISTRIBUTION OF LADY 25 OR WHATEVER, IT WAS 80 UNITS, THREE BEDROOMS, AND 25, TWO BEDROOMS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST APPEAL TO ME.
I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M AN ADVOCATE.
I MEAN, ROUGH START OF THIS PROJECT, BUT I DID THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME FEATURES OF IT.
UH, IT'S REALLY TURNS ITS BACK ON IT.
I UNDERSTAND ALL THE PROBLEMS AND AREA, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, UH, THAT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT APPEARS TO COMPENSATE FOR A LOT OF THE, UH, OF THE PROBLEMS. UH, SO I ASKED THAT'S WHY MY QUESTIONS, I DIDN'T MEAN THEM TO BE NEGATIVE.
I MEAN THEY, YOU KNOW, PROBING AND CONSTRUCTED.
AND I AM NOW USING THE LITTLE HAND I HIT GRABBED.
SO ECHOING A LOT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER DUNCAN SAID, UM, MIXED FEELINGS HERE.
I LIKE THAT WE'RE SCRUTINIZING THIS AS MUCH AS WE ARE BECAUSE THIS IS AN AREA, UM, WHERE DEVELOPMENT OFTEN HASN'T HAD GREAT OUTCOMES.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS A HOUSING ISSUE AND SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE THE SPACE TO BUILD THESE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM HOMES.
UM, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS IN OUR CITY WHERE WE HAVE THE SPACE TO DO SO.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER, UM, GIVEN OUR CITY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOALS.
UM, I ALSO FUNDAMENTALLY IT'S LIKE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO BUILD HERE? DEVELOPMENT IS INEVITABLE.
AND, UM, WE CAN EITHER SAY YES TO AN EXHIBIT IN THE CITY AND UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN PLACE, THE MODEL THAT WE'RE DOING, OR WE CAN LEAVE IT AS IS AND PROBABLY GET WORSE OUTCOMES.
UM, SO THOSE ARE MY TWO POINTS.
UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL, WHICH WAS, I WAS READING, UM, COMMISSIONER GARY'S Q AND A, THAT WAS IN THE BACKUP.
AND IT MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A MEETING ATD, UM, EARLIER THIS MONTH.
AND I WANTED TO JUST HEAR WHAT THE OUTCOMES WERE FROM THAT CONVERSATION.
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OKAY.AND WHO CAN, WE WAS PRIVY TO THE MEETING.
HEY, CAN YOU HELP US OUT PENDING REPORT OF THAT MICAH, MR.
AND, UM, I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN, UM,
SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WE, UM,
UM, I KNOW WE HAVE, UM, WE'LL BE SUBJECT TO SOME RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS POTENTIALLY ON JACKSON ROAD AND THE FALLS PARKWAY.
UM, AND SO IT WASN'T THE PARK THAT THE CITY HAD ON THAT, UM, THAT WE CAN'T DO AT THAT POINT HIM RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE WANT TO GET NX BEFORE WE DO THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THAT'S, UM, A LITTLE WAYS OUT BEFORE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL, UM, WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO WITH THAT.
AND I SEE, UM, COMMISSIONER DINKLER HAS THE LITTLE HAND UP AND THEN COMMISSIONER BRAY.
UM, I WANT TO WENDY, UH, HELP YOU CAN ANSWER, UM, MR. COMMISSIONER DUNCAN'S, UM, QUESTION, UH, AFTER READING THE BACKUP, I WONDER, OOH, WHAT'S IN THAT PUD, IS THIS OPEN SPACE OR IS THIS A PILOT KNOB THAT A LOT OF SF FOUR IN IT? AND I DO THINK YOUR COUNTS ON MCKINNEY FALLS AND FAXED FAXED AND TO A LESSER EXTENT ARE PRETTY HIGH.
NOW THIS PROJECT IS ONLY PROPOSING, UM, 105 TRIPS.
THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, BUT I HATE MAKING DECISIONS LIKE THIS WITHOUT HAVING THE FULL CONTEXT.
SO DO WE KNOW WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THAT AREA DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET? AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION MAY BE FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, THE DRAINAGE, UH, SOME OF THE BACKUP WAS SAYING THAT THE LOT, UH, ADJACENT TO MR. WARDEN AND OTHER HOMES ON MARBLE RIDGE, I HOPE I'VE GOT THAT RIGHT.
THEIR STREET IS IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ELEVATED.
I KNOW THEY'RE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, BUT I ALSO SUSPECT THEY'RE GETTING RUNOFF.
SO, UM, ARE, Y'ALL STILL PROPOSING TO PIPE THE, UM, DRAINAGE TO YOUR DETENTION POND? DOES THAT PART OF THE TRACK DRAIN TOWARDS THE DETENTION POND? THOSE ARE MY, UH, QUESTIONS.
I CAN BEGIN TO ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER DUNKER DUNCAN, UH, WITH REGARDS TO LAND USE OR THE PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE NORTH.
IT IS IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA, NOT PROPOSED FOR ANNEXATION.
UH, THERE IS AN AREA FURTHER NORTH, BUT AS THAT HAS FRONTED JOHN COLTON BLUFF SPRINGS AND MCKINNEY FALLS, THAT WAS A ZONING CASE FROM LAST YEAR.
AND THAT DID A
THEY WERE INTERESTED IN DOING APARTMENTS AT THAT SITE AS WELL ACROSS THE STREET AT KNOB PUD.
THAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF A SECOND AMENDMENT.
AND THAT WAS A TOTAL OF 165 ACRES.
IT ISN'T THAT AREA THAT'S SHOWN ON THE MAP IN ITS ENTIRETY, BUT A PORTION OF IT IS SHOWN.
AND THAT WAS FOR, UM, UH, UP TO 800 ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS AND, AND THE, IT WAS FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY, UM, YOU KNOW, CONDOMINIUM APARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO MR. DUNCAN QUESTION ABOUT DENSITY, UH, SFX ALLOWS FOR UP TO 12.4, FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, HOWEVER, DUE TO THE FLOOD, PLAIN, THAT MAXIMUM DENSITY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OCCUR ON THIS NIGHT.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF THE PILOT KNOB SECTION, UH, HAS BEEN BUILT YET AND THE ZONING CASE, UM, THE APARTMENTS ON COLTON RIDGE IS THAT THEY'RE BUILT AND NEITHER HAS BEEN BUILT SO THAT THE COLTON BLUFF SPRINGS, UH, THAT HAS, THAT IS SHOWN ON THE AERIAL IT'S CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPED.
I DIDN'T FIND A SITE PLAN THERE, UH, PILOT KNOB, UM, UH, THE, THE SECTION ACROSS THE STREET HASN'T YET BEEN BUILT, BUT, UM, OTHER SECTIONS THAT ARE FURTHER EAST ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION
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AND THAT SECTION CLOSEST TO THIS TRACT, YOU SAID IT HASN'T BEEN BUILT.WHAT WAS IT PROPOSED FOR RESIDENTIAL? YES.
THEN I DID INCLUDE THAT CASE AND THE RELATED, I THINK IT'S THE RELATED CASE AREA CASE HISTORIES ON PAGE THREE OF THE REPORT THAT WAS PART OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND IT WAS 165 ACRES AND 800 DWELLING UNITS.
NOW IT INCLUDED SEVERAL TRACKS.
THE CRA THE TRACKED ACROSS THE STREET WAS ONE OF THE LARGER ONES.
HOWEVER, THERE WERE SEVERAL OUT PARCEL OR PARCELS WAS THE PILOT NON PUD.
THEY WERE ANNEXED AS WELL AS ADDED TO THE PUD.
AND IT WAS SO, SO THAT ACREAGE WAS, UM, WAS FOR VARIOUS TRACKS WITHIN THE W WHAT WERE ANNEXED INTO THE PILOT, NON PUD.
SO THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, LIKE BEGGING THE ANNEX TO GET INTO CITY OF AUSTIN RULES ON WATER REGULATIONS.
AND THIS IS MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD ANSWER THIS, BUT IF THEY'RE NONE OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN IS THAT TRAVIS COUNTY WHO HANDLES WATER RETENTION, IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN COUNTY AND LIKE, HOW ARE THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THE COUNTY REGULATIONS? WELL, THIS, THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.
AND SO IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S, UM, DRAINAGE REGULATION RIGHT NOW IN ITS CURRENT FORM AS AN ANNEX PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY, IT WOULD BE UNDER THE CITY, UNDER THE COUNTY JURISDICTION FOR, FOR DRAINAGE, BUT IT'S PROPOSED TO BE ANNEXED.
AND THAT, THAT WOULD COME WITH CITY RULES FOR DRAINAGE.
UM, THERE AREN'T ANY, UM, PREVIOUS APPLICATION ON THIS SITE THAT WOULD AFFECT THAT AT ALL.
I WAS JUST KIND OF WONDERING FOR GENERAL CONTEXT ON LIKE FLOODING AND ANNEXATION, IF THERE ARE ANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY THAT MIGHT IMPACT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF LIKE CONTIGUOUS PARKER PROPERTIES, UM, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU PLANNING ON IMPLEMENTING ANY GREEN WATER INFRASTRUCTURE? LIKE ANY RAIN GARDENS OR STORMWATER CAPTURE OUR FRUITS TO TUNE WITH FLOODING? THIS IS MICA HIGH COMMISSIONER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT, UM, CALL ON THE LINE.
UM, THOSE ANSWERS WITH THAT, MAYBE HE CAN SPEAK TO IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT FAR, UH, FAR IN THE PROJECT YET, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
LET ME GET AN ANSWER FROM, FROM YOU BACK UP AND WHILE WE'RE WAITING, I, I SAW COMMISSIONER SMITH WITH HIS HAND UP.
I THINK HE WAS GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE WILL COVERS, UH, IF IT'S NOT ANNEXED BY THE CITY, WHERE WAS I READING YOUR MIND SMITH? YOU WERE READING MY MIND IF YOU'RE IN THE COUNTY, TRAVIS COUNTY HAS ADOPTED THE CITY OF AUSTIN DRAINAGE CRITERIA MANUALS.
SO FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES IN THE COUNTY IS THE SAME AS THE DRAIN IN THE CITY.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE FOR WATER QUALITY, BUT FOR DETENTION AND WATER VOLUME, IT'S THE SAME CRITERIA, JUST NOT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND HEIGHTS AND COVERAGE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.
AND IS CARL AND HIS CORAL NOW BACK ON THE LINE, IF NOT, WE CAN GO TO ANOTHER QUESTION UNTIL CARL COMES TO THE ANSWER.
SO IT'S TWO WAS IN THERE ABOUT FOR WATER, UM, BUT WE'RE DOING A LOT OF PLANTING.
UM, AND SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE PREMATURE, I THINK, FOR US TO KNOW FOR SURE.
THANK YOU AND COMMISSIONER GARY.
I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE HAND UP.
NO, THANK YOU, CHAIR KIELBASA.
I JUST WANT TO SAY I DID, I'D HAVE A QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. WARDEN IS STILL ON THE LINE.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE HAS BEEN OH, GREAT.
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OKAY.SO MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, AND MAYBE STAFF MAY KNOW THIS, UH, THE QUESTION IS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY STRUCTURE SINCE I STRUCTURE SOME MEETING HOMES, BECAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY ALL, THAT'S THE DOWNSTREAM OF THIS PROPERTY THAT HAVE BEEN FLOODED IN EITHER THE 2013 FLOODS OR 2015 FLOODS, OR EVEN EARLIER HAVE BEEN AT THOSE HOMES BEING FLOODED.
AND THESE WOULD BE THE HOMES THAT ARE A LONG ALBUM CREEK OR ALLEN ROAD.
AND, UM, MAYBE THOSE SONGS THAT ARE CLOSE TO WILLIAM CANNON.
YES, MA'AM, UH, UH, ON THE, IN 2013 AND 15, UH, ACTUALLY TWO OR THREE HOMES, UH, ON THE FAR END OF MOBILE RIDGE, RIGHT THERE AT THE ALLEN ROCK.
AND, UH, AND BETH SPRAINS THERE, UH, LOST THEIR, THEIR BACK FENCE AND HAD FLOODING IN THEIR HOME.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT MARVEL RIDGE NOW, UH, WE ARE THE SEVENTH HOUSE ON THE RIGHT FROM FAXED.
AND SO WE DID NOT EXPERIENCE SETTING WITHIN OUR HOME, BUT THREE HOMES THERE AT THE END OF, OF OUR PART OF MARBLE RIDGE BEFORE THE FLOOD PLAIN FIELD EXPERIENCE STARTING IN 2013 AND 15, AND THERE WAS NO LOSS OF LIFE, THERE WAS ALSO A PROPERTY.
AND SO, UH, THIS THING, UH, IT'S A RAGING DEAL.
AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU I'LL UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS ALREADY THE RIGHT TO THE BED UP IN MY QUARTER CENTURY HERE ON THE STREET, MANY TIMES, AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN TIMES THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNED COMING UP ON THAT PROPERTY POEMS COMING SOON, DEVELOP NOW, GET YOURS NOW.
AND, AND THE, THE LIST OF THE DEVELOPERS AND THOSE SIGNS EITHER COME DOWN OR THEY JUST HAVE WITHERED AND ROTTED AWAY.
THERE ARE JUST SOME PIECES OF LAND FOLKS THAT YOU'RE JUST NOT SUPPOSED TO BUILD ON.
AND I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THEM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROGRESS IS COMING ANYWAY.
I JUST REALLY WANT Y'ALL TO REMEMBER THIS CONVERSATION WHEN THIS THING DOES NOT TURN OUT WELL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
AND I HOPE MR. GARY, THAT I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
THANK YOU, MR. WARDEN FOR HANGING ON.
DID HE ANSWER THE QUESTION? YES, HE DID.
AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH PEOPLE SOME TESTS, BECAUSE THESE HOMES ARE SO FAR OUT AND MAYBE THE CITY IS NOT EVEN AWARE, EVEN WATERSHED.
IT'S NOT EVEN AWARE THAT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE FLOODED.
SO HAVING THAT KNOWLEDGE 15TH, THAT INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE SHARED WITH THE WATERSHED DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND ALSO FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE TO BE THERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOMES, YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT IF WE CREATE A THERE'S DEEP ELEMENT, THAT RESULTS IN FLOODING DOWNSTREAM, THAT IMPACTS HOMES, PEOPLE ARE LOSING HOMES IN CLASSIC EXAMPLE, OR LOWER ONION CREEK AND UPPER INDIAN CREEK OVER A THOUSAND HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED.
CITY HAD A STEP IN DEMA, HAD TO STEP IN, IN REGARDS TO BUYOUT, AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE GONE.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE NEED, WE DO NEED HOUSING, IT IS NOT, IT DOES NOT BEHOOVE US TO CREATE SITUATIONS FOR, WE LOSE ON THOSE FOR PEOPLE AND EVEN WORSE SITUATION WOULD BE, UM, IMPACT AND LOSS OF LIFE.
UM, I AM, I AM GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSAL, UM, IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S GOING TO, BECAUSE OF THE, AND THANK YOU FOR THE SITE PLAN.
I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER TINKLER THAT ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION.
UM, I AM FAMILIAR FOR THE PROPERTY FOR THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE, THE STRUCTURES ARE GOING TO BE UP THERE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL ALONG MARBLE CREEK.
I TOTALLY TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A, UM, FLASH FLOOD CREEK.
UH, MAYBE NOT AS STRONG AS ONION CREEK IS, BUT I TOTALLY DO RESPECT THE STRENGTH AND THE HYDROLOGY IMPACT THAT, YOU KNOW, LASH FLASHING FLOODS IN ON MARCO CREEK WILL HAVE.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IS THAT THE CITY STAFF BE MADE AWARE OF THE DAMAGES DONE TO THOSE HOMES DOWNSTREAM CLOSER TO WILLIAM CANNON, ALONG ELM ALONG ALUM, AND THAT EVERY MEASURE BE TAKEN TO PROTECT THOSE HOMES IN RESPONSE TO THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT HERE, MY, MY SENSE IS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING THE CAPTURE OF THE WATER AND THE DETENTION CREEKS, I MEAN, DETENTION PONDS.
UM, SO, UM, YEAH, I'M THINKING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
I JUST THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE STAFF BE MADE AWARE OF THE DAMAGE TO THE HOMES DOWNSTREAM.
I'M MOSTLY GOING TO REQUEST THAT WE BE, UH, RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT BECOME INTERESTED PARTIES SO THAT THEY CAN BE ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY WATERSHED THE PARKLANDS.
SO IF THEY CAN BE INVOLVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, AS IT COMES ALONG IN ALERT STAFF, WHEN THERE'S
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POTENTIAL DANGER DOWNSTREAM, UM, AND ALSO WE NEED TO LOOK AT FIRE DEPARTMENTS.WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL FIRE DEPARTMENT FIRE STATION OUT IN THAT AREA, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE STRANDED BECAUSE OF FLOODING, WHICH IS WHAT MR. WARDEN HAS ALLUDED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE CLOSEST TO US IS THE ONES THAT IS KNUCKLES CROSSING, THAT THAT BAR STEP WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THESE, TO THIS RESIDENCE.
AND SO WE'RE CREATING THAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE REMEMBERED IS WE NEED A FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, FIRST RESPONDERS TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCY SITUATIONS OUT THERE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO I KNOW GREEN, UM, THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, RAIN GARDENS THAT WILL NOT HELP IN A SITUATION OF OUR GREEN BOND.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT THE DEVELOPERS STAY WITH THE STRATEGY OF CREATING THE UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE.
UM, IF IT'S DONE WELL, IT'LL, IT SHOULD WORK AND CREATING A STRONG DETENTION, UH, OR DETENTION POND SYSTEM.
AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER DENCKLA YOU HAVE COMMENT? DID I ALREADY, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER GARY ANSWERED MY QUESTION CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A TOPO MAP, BUT IF THE, UH, MR. KING CAN VERIFY THAT THERE IS UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE PIPE VIA THE DETENTION POND, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE HAD THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE HIGH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR ON THE LOWER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A TOPO IN FRONT OF ME, SO IT IS THE PROPOSAL TO DRAIN TOO.
UM, WE ARE UNDERGROUND PIPING TO A DETENTION POND.
WE HAVE OUR ENGINEER CLAYTON STROLL ON THE LINE, AND I THINK HE MIGHT BE BETTER TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE, YEAH.
CLAYTON, ARE YOU THERE? I CAN, YEAH.
CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.
UM, YES, THERE IS SUFFICIENT, UH, TOPOGRAPHY TO ALLOW, UH, UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE AND, UH, HAVE THE DETENTION PONDS, UM, BETWEEN THE HOMES AND THE CREEK.
THE, UM, MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE PLACE ABOUT 20, 40 FEET ABOVE THE ELEVATION OF THE CREEK, UM, WHERE THOSE HOMES THAT, UM, THE NEIGHBOR IS TALKING ABOUT IS ONLY ABOUT, UM, 12 FEET ABOVE THE ELEVATION OF THE CREEK.
SO WE WILL BE, UM, PLENTY FAR UP FROM THE, FROM THE ELEVATION OF THE CREEK AND ABOUT 10 FEET HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT FLOODPLAIN SHOWS.
UM, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, IT'S THE DRAINAGE HEADING TOWARDS THE HOMES, OR IS THE DRAINAGE PATTERN DRAINING TOWARDS THE AND ROAD? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
HOW DOES IT DRAIN IT ESSENTIALLY DRAINS STRAIGHT TO THE WEST, UM, TOWARDS THE CREEK.
THE CREEK IS BETWEEN OUR HOMES AND THEIR HOMES.
SO WE WILL DISCHARGE IN INTO THE CREEK.
THERE'S TOPE ON THE BACKUP AND THAT SITE PLAN.
SO DO THEY, IS THIS STILL CORRECT? I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS STILL CREATES A FLOODING ISSUE SINCE YOU'RE HIGHER THAN THE HOMES BELOW IT, THEY'RE THERE, IF THEY'RE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT THEN ARE YOU ALSO, I KNOW THE RULES SAY YOU CAN'T CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL ADVERSE AND PLAQUE, BUT YOU'RE HIGHER.
UM, THERE'S A LOT I LIKE ABOUT THE PRODUCT.
I REALLY WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS ON THE DRAINAGE.
UM, I GUESS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, UH, OF THE FLOODING IN AND WHERE IT'S DRAINING INTO, UM, OUR, WHEN I'M REFERRING TO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THE, THE HOMES, WHERE ARE OUR DETENTION PONDS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
ALL THOSE HOMES WERE COLLECTED IN AN UNDERGROUND SYSTEM AND DRAINED DOWN TO THAT, THAT LOWER ELEVATION WHERE THOSE PONDS ELEVATIONS WILL BE ABOUT THE SAME ELEVATION AS THE, AS THE HOMES NEXT DOOR, AND NO DISCHARGE OUT OF THE POND, UH, OVERLAND INTO THAT, INTO THE CREEK, UM, TO, TO NOT AID IN, IN THE, THE FLOODING ISSUE THAT THAT'S OUT THERE.
AND JUST ONE THING TO ADD TO THAT IS WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE CREEK AS THE EXISTING HOMES.
AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY RUNOFF GOING DOWN DOWNHILL INTO THE HOMES THEMSELVES.
SO, UM, AND WE ARE ELEVATED TO HIGHER ABOVE THEM IN TERMS OF THESE HOMES
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ARE NOT GOING TO BE FLOODED.UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS A QUESTION ABOUT OUR COMMENT ABOUT, UM, FIRE SERVICES.
AND THERE IS THE GOODNIGHT RANCH FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT'S PLANNED FOR THIS AREA.
I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT THE WAY THAT THEY ARE IN THE CONSTRUCTION PLANNING PROCESS, UM, FOR THE LATEST UPDATE FROM THE CITY AND THAT CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BEGIN AT THE END OF THIS YEAR ON THE FIRE STATION.
AND AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR, IT'LL BE, UM, 1.7 MILES TO THE WEST OF THE SITE.
AND SO THERE WILL BE AN ACCESS FOR FIRE SERVICES TO THIS PROPERTY, INTO THE AROUND FARMING AREA.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.
OH, I WANT TO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
FIRST OF ALL, BETWEEN THE BACKUP AND THE CASH PRESENTATION, I MEAN, THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, AS I SAID EARLIER, IT'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
I DID NOT SEE A TOPO MAP, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE, BUT I HATE TO BE CRITICAL CAUSE I REALLY LACKED, I THINK IT'S A ONE THE EXHIBIT WHICH SHOWS THE, UH, THE BUFFER ZONE, THE BLUE AREA.
LET ME FIRST SAY, I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND MR. WOOD'S FRUSTRATION BECAUSE THOSE LOTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, UM, WELL, WAIT, WOULD, IT IS, UH, UH, THEY'RE ALL BLUE.
I MEAN, EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE OF THEM, I MEAN, THOSE HA IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DIDN'T DO CLUSTERING AND PROTECT THOSE AREAS, UH, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED, UH, I THINK TODAY WE'RE MORE SOPHISTICATED AND BEING AWARE OF THOSE THINGS AND WE'RE NOT MAKING THOSE MISTAKES.
UH, BUT, UH, MR. WARDENS, UH, WHEN I'M UP AT THIS, UH, THE EXHIBIT EIGHT ONE, NOW I LOOK AT FOLLOWING HIS, HIS PROTEST AND HIS ADDRESS.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, I GUESS ALL I'M TRYING TO RECONFIRM IS, UH, I'M SURPRISED THAT MORE PEOPLE AREN'T IN, UH, CONCERNED TO TRY AND EXPRESS, UH, THE, UH, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE NORTH END OF MARBLE RIDGE, THEY DIDN'T EVEN DEVELOP AT LEAST PROPORTION THE AREA WHEN OUR BACKUP, THEY WERE AWARE OF THAT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, UH, THE ARIEL, UH, ALL RIGHT.
ANY LOTS OF, AT ALL, UH, UH, AS YOU GET CLOSE TO COVID-19, ARIEL IS OLD AND IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED SINCE THEN OR NOT.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE I SAID, THE IDEA OF CLUSTERING THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF FRUSTRATING IS TO GET US OUT OF THESE ENDANGERED AREAS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ARGUE ABOUT THE EXACT NUMBER OF UNITS.
UH, I LOOKED AT THE SITE PLAN.
I WAS SURPRISED THIS IS NOT WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RUNNING AROUND CALLING MISSING METAL VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY, 70% OF ALL FAMILIES ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, AND, AND NATIONWIDE AND THIS COMMUNITY.
SO I CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, MEETING DEMOS AND I, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRICE IS.
I WOULD NOT WANT TO DETER THEM TO BILL THE MIX THAT THEY HAVE BY FORCING THEM TO CHANGE THAT MIX.
SO, ANYHOW, I JUST WANTED TO RECONFIRM WHAT I SAID EARLIER, BUT ALSO TO UNDERSTAND WHY, UH, THE GENTLEMAN, UH, IS FRUSTRATED AND DOESN'T WANT ANY MORE, ANY MORE PROBLEMS IN THAT AREA.
IS THERE A MOTION OR DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SAY COMMISSIONER SMITH? I'LL GO TO YOU.
UM, YEAH, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THIS IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS YOU'RE GOING TO GET ON THIS PIECE OF LAND.
UM, IT DRAINS INTO THE CREEK, IT'LL GO THROUGH DETENTION, IT'LL HAVE UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE.
THEY WON'T CONTRIBUTE TO LOCALIZED, RAINY.
DO YOU WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO REGIONAL DRAINAGE? UM, AND BASED ON MY REVIEW AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND SECONDED, IT LOOKS LIKE BY COMMISSIONER KOSTA AND, UM, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR JUST GO, UH, COMMISSIONER KING.
I DID HAVE A QUESTION, UH, ABOUT, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN THE BACKUP.
I WASN'T CLEAR ABOUT, UH, UH, THE, THESE UNITS.
ARE THEY RENTAL UNITS OR ARE THEY MARKET RATE FOR CELL UNITS? AND THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS MIKE KING, UH, COMMISSIONER KING.
UH, THIS IS, UH, FOUR RENTAL UNITS.
UM, THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO GOING TO BE THE OWNER OF THE HOUSES AND WHILE THEY ARE FOR RENT, UH, THEY'LL BE, UM, ACCESSIBLE TO MORE PEOPLE THAN NORMAL BECAUSE AS YOU COMPARE COMPARABLE HOMES IN THE AREA, WHAT
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THAT WOULD COST A FAMILY TO AFFORD PER MONTH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A $780 PER SAVINGS A MONTH WHEN YOU TALLY FOR ALL THE COSTS OF HOME OWNERSHIP IN THIS AREA.SO, UM, THEY ARE FOR RENTAL, UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL PROVIDE, UH, MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND OTHER HOMES THAT ARE FOR SALE.
AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME COMMENT, I THINK, IN THE FEEDBACK FROM THE CRIMINAL PUBLIC ABOUT A CREEDMORE MAHA WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION, WATER TANK WAS LOCATED ON THIS SIDE.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? AND WHAT, WHAT IMPLICATIONS DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT HAVE FOR THAT WATER TANK IF IT'S THERE? YES.
SO THE QUESTION, SO THIS IS A WATER TANK OR A PRIVATE WATER COMPANY, AND THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING.
UM, THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO HAVE THE EASEMENT RIGHTS OVER THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK YOU LOOK, UM, UPHILL OF THE, THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WATERSON, IT'D BE FLOWING, UM, INTO THAT AREA.
UM, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO CALL IT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS AND REVIEW PROCESS, BUT I DON'T FORESEE ANY ISSUES THERE.
AND COULD YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND, IS THAT, IS THAT WATER SUPPLY, UH, IS THAT TANK, IS THAT WATER TANK? HOW IS IT SUPPLIED? IS IT, IS IT, DOES IT THE UNDERGROUND WATER? THAT'S IT UNDERGROUND WATER ON THE SITE? I CAN I STEP IN HERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS, I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY PERTAINS TO THE ZONING.
SO IF YOU WILL, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT, HOW IS THAT WATER IS THAT WATER THAT'S IN THAT WATER TANK THAT SUPPLIES OTHER HOUSES THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER SOURCES, IS THAT, IS THAT WATER SUPPLIED FROM UNDERGROUND ON THIS SIDE? AND IF IT IS THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SIDE, CERTAINLY HAS I THINK POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THAT.
AND MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP IF I CAN.
UM, THAT IS A SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST.
SO THE CITY WILL BE PROVIDING WATER.
IF IT'S OTHER TRACKS, THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET THEIR TANKS.
THAT'S WHY IT IT'S REALLY NOT TOTALLY GERMANE.
UM, I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WATER THAT'S IN THAT TANK.
IS IT, IS IT, IS IT WATER THAT'S INTENDED TO SUPPLY DRINKING WATER TO HOUSES OR IN THE AREA? THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW.
AND IS THAT WATER THAT'S IN THAT TANK SOURCE FROM THIS SIDE ITSELF WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO OCCUR? THAT'S ALL I NEED TO UNDERSTAND IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S NOT SOURCED FROM THIS SIDE, IF IT'S JUST A TANK THEY'RE CONTAINING WATER, THAT'S BROUGHT IN, THEN, THEN DISTRIBUTED, THEN I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN.
I CAN, IF I CAN CHIME IN ON MY MOTION, UM, IF IT IS GROUND WATER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOURCE OF WATER IS.
THEN IF IT IS GROUND WATER FROM A WELL, THE STATE HAS WELL SETBACKS, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP CLOSE TO THOSE WELLS.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE SOURCE OF WATER COMES, IT WILL BE ADDRESSED BY A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GROUP OF ORDINANCES RUN BY THE STATE, WHICH MAKES IT NOT A PART OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH.
I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST TRY AND UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE COULD HAVE ON WATER.
THAT'S PRODUCED FROM THIS SIDE FOR, FOR CONSUMPTION.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS TABLET TO THE SETBACK.
AND THANK YOU CHAIR FOR LETTING ME GET THIS QUESTION OUT ON THE TABLE.
AND SAY, I'LL JUST SAY IF I MIGHT, THAT I, I DO SEE WHERE THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CASE FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST, THE BEST THEY CAN, BUT I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO WORK.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T GIVE US THIS SF SIX ZONING, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE, UH, AN EXTENT OF THE CITY.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S A THREAT.
AND I DON'T, I, I, I'M NOT SURE.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS, BUT I JUST, I JUST WORRY ABOUT HAVING THESE KINDS OF, I APPRECIATE BEING IN, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, THAT I WANT TO COME INSIDE THE CITY'S JURISDICTION.
I DO SEE THE VALUE AND THE BENEFIT FROM THAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT MAKING OUR ZONING DEPENDENT ON THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING TO ME.
SO I DO HAVE A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT THIS CASE ABOUT THIS CASE.
ALTHOUGH I DO SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME GOOD BENEFITS AND VALUE FROM IT.
AND ARE WE READY TO VOTE OR COMMISSIONER BRAY? OKAY.
UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS, IF NOT, WE'LL JUST, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY WATER QUALITY THING FROM STAFF OR PEOPLE, NOT WATER QUALITY, BUT DRAINAGE.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT NO ADVERSE IMPACT, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE THE NO, NO ADVERSE IMPACT INDOORS, THE PRODUCT CONTEXT THAT LIKE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEVELOPED DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S IDEAL.
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STARTS FROM THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE THING, UH, DEVELOPED IS LIKE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF RUNOFF THAT'S GOING TO CREATE FLOODING.AND THAT'S JUST, I MEAN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT WATER QUALITY OR PLASTIC, WE'RE ALL LEARNING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT TO THINK ABOUT MORE, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE FOR LIKE, TO ACTUALLY BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE CONTROL WATER? HOW MUCH IS THAT BETTER THAN UNDEVELOPED AND IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHERE WE DO HAVE MORE FLOODING IN THE AREA, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO REQUIRE THAT IT'S NOT JUST NEW ADVERSE IMPACT, BUT IT IS IMPROVING ON THE CURRENT SITUATION, UH, YOU KNOW, BY BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE, BEYOND WHAT IT TAKES TO BE KNOWN FOR ITS IMPACT THAT ACTUALLY CREATED LESS POTENTIAL FOR FLOODING THAN IF IT WAS UNDEVELOPED.
UM, AND IT JUST, IS THERE SOMETHING STEPH IS LEGALLY ABLE TO DO? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CONSIDER DOING? BECAUSE I WORRY THAT WE'RE A LITTLE TOO LOSS AVERSE SOMETIMES TO THE SENSE THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO GO BEYOND AND IMPROVING THE FLOODING SITUATION, NOT JUST, NOT, NOT JUST NOT MAKING IT WORSE, BUT, OR WE MAKE, CAN WE MAKE IT BETTER? ARE WE LOSING OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE IT BETTER BY JUST SAYING NO ADVERSE IMPACT? AND, UM, WENDY, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT, UH, CHAIR KIELBASA? I I'M AFRAID I DON'T HAVE THE, THE DRAINAGE EXPERTISE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER A QUESTION LIKE THAT THIS AT THE TIME OF FLIGHT PLAN, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A DRAINAGE STUDY AND, AND SHOW THAT THERE AREN'T ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS, BUT THAT, UM, I, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT ABLE TO EXPAND ON THAT.
AND ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IF THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THE ADVERSE DRAINAGE, BUT I THINK WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE, I THINK WENDY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST PERSON TO SPEAK TO THAT OR COMMISSIONER THEORY.
THAT'S WHY I ADDED THE COMMENT AND ASKED MR. WARDEN ABOUT ANY FLOODING OF THE HOMES THAT MAYBE THE CITY WAS NOT AWARE OF.
AND IT'S HAVING THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT HELPS US SEE THE, OUR PLAN FOR THOSE ADVERSE IMPACTS.
AND IT WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD FIT HER ANSWER TO THE NECKLACE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, SO WE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WHO CAN ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT IS FINE UNLESS YOU WANT TO POSTPONE OR, BUT, OKAY.
COMMISSIONER DANCLER I SEE YOU.
AND THEN, HEY, UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS.
IF FOLKS ARE REGISTERING AS INTERESTED PARTIES AND ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE, I THINK THEY TEND TO PUSH THE STAFF TO REALLY LOOK AT THINGS AND SEE IF THEY CAN FIND WAYS TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN LEGALLY REQUIRE BETTER.
THAT WOULD BE A SUPERIORITY ELEMENT SAY IN A PUD.
UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE POTENTIAL ELEMENTS ON A PUD.
AND I SUSPECT AS COMMISSIONER DUNCAN POINTED OUT THAT SOME OF THESE HOMES MAY NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, UH, PRIOR TO ATLAS THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THE PROBLEM.
WE NEED TO PUSH THEM TO DO THIS.
UH, BUT ONE REASON FOR APPROVING THE ZONING AND HAVING WATER SERVICE IS YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IN SEPTIC THERE.
UM, I THINK THE WATER STAFF AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF HAVE BEEN REALLY TRYING TO WORK ON A SOLUTION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
IF YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY, THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT THE PIPE IN THE CREEK.
SO, UH, AN ENVIRONMENTALLY THAT WAS A NO WIND.
SO I'M, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
AND I HOPE THERE ARE A LOT OF EYES ON THE DRAINAGE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE OUR COMMENTS ALL TAKEN CARE OF.
SO I'M VOTING ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND I WILL SAY KOBASA COMMISSIONER DANGLER, COMMISSIONER RAY COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER KING, ACTUALLY, IT'S UNANIMOUS.
AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATED AND THANK YOU, MR. WARDEN FOR STICKING WITH US.
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THAT FOR B ONE, THE APPLICANT, THE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MARK GRAHAM HAS ALREADY DONE HIS PRESENTATION.SO THE APPLICANT AND THAT IS MR. AND I'M ACTUALLY, I JUST LOST MY NOTES.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, NICK SANDLIN,
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YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES SELECT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.UH, I MISSED WHAT THE QUESTIONS WERE FOR ME ON THE PROJECT.
DO WE WANT TO START WITH THAT? YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES TO DESCRIBE YOUR PROJECT.
AND SO THAT IS, AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE WAY THAT THE PROCESS OPERATES.
SO, UM, W WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A TWO AND A HALF ACRE TRACKS THAT IS DEVELOPMENT RESERVE, MEANING IT'S NOT ZONED.
AND WE HAVE A FREAK THAT RUNS THROUGH THE CENTER OF IT WITH A SMALL PORTION OF DEVELOPABLE AREA IN THE FRONT OF IT, CONSIDERING THE ADJACENT ZONING DISTRICTS, WE FOUND
AND THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE SUBJECT TO ALL THE CODES AND ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
UM, IT'S PRETTY EARLY IN THE PLANNING STAGES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A TOWNHOME STYLE WITH TWO OR THREE BUILDINGS.
UM, THAT'S THE SHORT, LONG SHORT OF IT.
AND THERE IS NOBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, SO THANK YOU.
NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.
SO I WILL LOOK AT THE LITTLE HANDS ON THE LITTLE ICON, AND I SEE THAT COMMISSIONER DUNK DUNK WONDER, AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.
SO COMMISSIONER DANCLER UP, SHE'S DISAPPEARED.
UM, I THINK THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S, UH, UH, I TRY AND HAVE LIKE, APPROXIMATELY IT'S ONLY ONE ACRE THAT'S DEVELOPABLE.
UH, THE BOTTOM HALF IS EITHER INACCESSIBLE AS THE BACKUP REPORT SAYS ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
UH, SO I, I THINK OUR DECISION HERE, UH, AS AFRICA IS FAIRLY SAD, WANT TO PUT TOWNHOUSES, WHICH I PRESUME ARE GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AT, UH, 10 UNITS, AN ACRE, UH, FRONT OF YOU ON THE FRONT ROAD.
IT IS, IS I LOOKED AT THAT BACKUP MATERIAL, TOTALLY SURROUNDED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON LARGE, LOTS BACK THREE, UH, MAYBE TO THE WEST.
UH, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE ST.
SLAS SITE, BUT THEY WANT TO PUT FINN TOWNHOUSES ON.
SO I THINK JUST THE QUESTION OF, UH, I'M MORE AMBIVALENT ON THIS ONE, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SAY, I LIKE THE IDEA OF, UH, INCREASING HOUSING, UH, UH, EXERCISE STABILITY, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO MUCH.
WELL, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY ON THIS.
FIRST, AND I'VE BEEN REMINDED THAT WE NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONER MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KING, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND THEN I SEE THAT COMMISSIONER DANCLER HAD HER HAND UP.
THEN COMMISSIONER, THEN I SEE NOBODY ELSE'S HANDS UP.
SO I, OR COMMISSIONER GARY, YOU WERE MAKING THAT.
I HAVE SOME CONCERNS, UM, REGARDING THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND I GUESS, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE DESCRIPTION FOR ACIP FIVE.
IT TALKS ABOUT IT'S TO BE USED AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IT'S ALL SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY.
SO THAT PART DID NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME.
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IS, OR TO FACILITATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF CITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS, BUT I DID NOT SEE A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE BACKUP.SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS WHAT IS THE EMF BUY IN THAT AREA ON NET PART OF TOWN IN WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS BEING PROPOSED? UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME IMAGINING 10 UNITS ON ONE ACRE BECAUSE BASICALLY LESS THAN HALF OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE AVAILABLE BECAUSE, UH, FOR THE CREEK BUFFER IS THAT, UM, I WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED, UM, AND SO THIS PROPERTY IS DOWNHILL OF THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THE WATER WOULD DRAIN INTO THIS PROPERTY, UM, ON ONE CORNER.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP THAT THEY SENT US OUR UPPER LEFT-HAND, THERE'S SUPPOSEDLY IT LOOKS LIKE SOME SORT OF DRAINAGE.
UM, BUT I SAW TWO HUGE HOLES THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DAMAGED INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, BUT I JUST HAD SOME CONCERN ABOUT SOME FLOODING ISSUES THERE.
UM, I JUST, YEAH, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T SEE THE ARGUMENT FOR TRANSITION, SOME ASKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.
AND ALSO THE LOGIC ON HAVING 10 UNITS ON LESS THAN ONE ACRE.
AND IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP AND I'LL, I'LL WEIGH IN THEM? CAUSE I DON'T SEE NOW I SEE A HABIT I, SINCE I STARTED TO TALK, UM, AND THAT IS, I SEE THIS AS A VERY DIFFERENT CASE FROM THE FAXED IN ROAD FIRST OFF, WE'RE WHAT COMMISSIONER GARY HAS SAID.
AND ALSO IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND SFI ZONING AROUND THE CITY.
AND I REMEMBER THAT FROM SOME OF THE CODE, NEXT DISCUSSIONS AND TRANSLATIONS, AND ALSO THIS IS ON MATTHEWS LANE OR THE PAVEMENT IS 25 FEET AND THE RIGHT OF WAY IS 60 FEET.
WHEREAS THE FAXED IN ROAD, UM, IS ACTUALLY ON MCKINNEY FALLS PARKWAY.
AND THAT IS A PARKWAY WITH, I BELIEVE TWO LANES EACH WAY.
AND IT'S PR AND IT'S GOT SIDEWALKS.
AND ALSO ON THIS, I'M GOING TO CALL THE STATISTICS POLICE ON THE STAFF REPORT.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT SAYS MAXIMUM AND PERVIOUS CUPBOARD IS 10% MORE.
AND ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT, IT IS 22% MORE THAN NF TWO SF TWO AND SF THREE.
AND THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 45%, 55% IS 10, BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IT'S 10% MORE.
IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE 22% MORE.
AND ALSO I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF MEMBER FOR, UM, I HAD A QUESTION, HAS THE FLOODPLAIN BEEN MODELED BECAUSE MY IMPRESSION FROM LOOKING AT THE FLOOD PRO MAP AND LOOKING IS THAT, UM, JUST FROM LOOKING, I WAS WONDERING, HAS THE FLOOD PLAIN BEEN MODELED THERE IF ANYBODY KNOWS? UM, AND SO THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
UM, AND ALSO I DON'T SEE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHOLE AREA LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE DEVELOPED AT SF FIVE AND UNLIKE THE FAXED IN ROADS.
SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE UNLESS WE PUT A CEO ON IT, THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE UNITS.
UM, AND SO MARK GRAHAM, CAN YOU ANSWER, OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR WHETHER THAT AREA HAS BEEN MODELED FOR FLOOD PLAIN? UM, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER.
CLEAR, NO CHAIR, TOMAS, I'M SORRY.
UM, THE PARTIAL ANSWER WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, NEAR THE MAP SHOWING THE CRITICAL WATER AREA AND THEY TALK ABOUT, THIS IS THE, THE TOP OF THIS DRAINAGE THAT HAD, UH, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE SPECIFIC NUMBER, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UM, UH, 64 ACRES OF DRAINAGE TO A POINT ON THIS PROPERTY IT'S, UM, BOTTOM OF PAGE NINE.
UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEETS YOUR CRITERIA FOR MODELING THE THING, BUT THEY, THEY KNOW THAT IT HAS CUMULATED A MINIMUM OF 64 ACRES OF DRAINAGE TO A POINT ON THIS PROPERTY RESULTING IN A CLASSIFIED WATERWAY AND CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.
SO THAT'S WHY THE TWO MAPPED, UM, DOES, DOES THAT RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION?
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UM, I'M ACTUALLY NOT CLEAR, UM, IS, UM, AND I SEE COMMISSIONER, UH, GARY, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GARY.
SO I'M ALSO GOING TO RELY ON COMMISSIONER SMITH ON THIS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF, IF YOU HAVE A CREEK, UH, FOR BETTY SMITH SHOWING A FLOOD PLAIN IT'S BECAUSE THERE HAS IT HASN'T BEEN STUDIED.
SO MY EX BASED ON WHAT I SAW THERE IS FLOODING IN THAT AREA.
SO OF COURSE I, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTS OR, AND I DID NOT, I'M DOING THE COVID THING.
I'M NOT GOING TO KNOCK ON ANY DOORS OR ASK QUESTIONS.
SO, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND I'M CONCERNED SMITH MAY ADD MORE, MAYBE CORRECT ME.
THERE'S YEAH, THERE, THERE'S NOT A FEMA FLOOD PLAN ON THE PROPERTY OR CITY OF AUSTIN FLOOD PLAN ON THE PROPERTY.
DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T FLOOD AND FLOW WATER.
THERE IS A CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE AND ANY HAZARDS DONE THAT'LL HELP TO BE DEALT WITH DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THOSE WILL BE DEALT WITH AND, AND PER CODE WHEN YOU GO TO DEVELOP THE PRE-CUT PROPERTY, BUT THERE IS NO FEMA FLOOD PLAIN OR CITY OF AUSTIN FLOOD PLAIN ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, BUT THEN TAZ COMMISSIONER SMITH, IT HAS BEEN MODELED.
I SEE LITTLE HANDS, UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH, SINCE I GOT YOU, DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY.
THE ONE WE LOOKED UP EAST OF AUSTIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WHERE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT WITH THE INTENSITY THEY WANT TO, UM, UNLESS THEY SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY JUST BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAINS AND BECAUSE NOT FLOOD PLAIN, THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY IS ON AND YOU REALLY COULD HAZARD.
UM, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED TO YOUR LOTS AND 10, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT, THE, IT NEEDS TO BE ZONE SOMETHING AS SOME VR NOW.
UM, WHAT DOES NEED TO BE RE REZONE? I THINK THE SFI WAS APPROPRIATE.
THE RESTRICTIONS WERE ABOUT THE SAME AS SF TWO AND THREE.
YOU'RE NOT GAINING A WHOLE LOT, BUT YOU'RE ABLE TO CLUSTER, UH, AND THIS IS A SITE THAT DOES NEED TO BE CLUSTERED BECAUSE OF THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITIES OF ANDY ROAD HAZARD DONE ON THE PROPERTY, WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE CLUSTERING.
UM, AND THEN COMMISSIONER RAY AND THEN COMMISSIONER KING, UH, REAL QUICKLY ON THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE.
UM, THIS MAY NOT BE BUILDING CAPITAL, A AFFORDABLE INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING UNITS.
UM, BUT NONETHELESS, I JUST WANT TO LIKE REITERATE THAT WE HAVE A SUPPLY PROBLEM IN THE CITY IN GENERAL, UM, AND THAT ARE OUR GUIDING HOUSING PLAN FOR THE CITY.
THE STRATEGIC HOUSING BLUEPRINT TELLS US THAT WE SHOULD BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ALL PARTS OF THE CITY.
UM, HOUSING WORKS OUR MAJOR ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION HERE FOR HOUSING IN TOWN, OR AT LEAST SORT OF A SCORECARD, UM, IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND DISTRICT FIVE WHERE THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED WAS LAST PLACE, BASICALLY IN TERMS OF WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS BEING BUILT.
UM, SO WE HAVE A NEED GENERALLY IN THIS CITY TO BUILD, UM, WHERE WE CAN AND SPECIFICALLY IN D FIVE, UM, LIKE THE GOAL IS 447 UNITS LAST YEAR AND ONLY 253 WERE BUILT.
UM, SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION.
AND COMMISSIONER KING, THANK YOU, CHAIR.
AND I CONCUR WITH THE COMMISSIONER RAY IN TERMS OF THE TRYING TO REALLY TARGET AFFORDABLE, AND I'M USING THE CAPITAL A AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE ALL HAVE OUR DIFFERENT SOURCES OF INFORMATION.
AND ONE OF THE SOURCES OF INFORMATION THAT I'VE READ RECENTLY IS THAT, THAT IN AUSTIN, WE DO HAVE A SUFFICIENT PIE, A SUPPLY OF MARKET RATE HOUSING COMING ONTO THE MARKET.
WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY OF IS INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED THAT WE HAVE THESE, THESE DENSE CLUSTERED DEVELOPMENTS WITH NO, NO INCOME INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING IN THE VERY AREAS OF THE CITY THAT WE NEEDED MOST.
AND SO I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS CASE RIGHT HERE, AND IT IS DIFFERENT IN SOME WAYS THAN THE OTHER CASE THAT WE JUST, UH, DISCUSSED EARLIER TONIGHT.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS THAT SFI ZONING HILL WILL, I BELIEVE WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT WILL SET A NEW PRECEDENT IN THIS AREA AND ALL THE SF TWOS AND SFPS AROUND THAT WILL COME UP AND SAY, WE'RE NEXT IN LINE.
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KNOW, WE, WE WANT, SO I'M WORRIED THAT, ALTHOUGH IN THIS ONE LITTLE MICROCOSM OF THE CASE HERE, WE CAN SEE WHAT WE THINK MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EFFECTS THAT IT HAS ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES? AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT TOO, IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, IN THE PUBLIC.AND SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ZONING THIS TO SFI.
SO, UH, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, MANY REASONS ONE IS BECAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE TO THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE AND THE NEARBY WATERWAY.
AND THEN I'LL JUST GET ONE LITTLE OTHER POINT.
I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SMALL AREA PLANNING THAT WAY WE CAN LOOK AT AND LOOK AT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS IN CON UH, UH, GOALS THAT WE HAVE IN PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE AND SAY, THIS IS A GOOD SITE FOR INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING.
LET'S WORK ON THIS, OR THAT'S A GOOD SITE FOR CERTAIN TYPE OF HOUSING.
I JUST THINK THAT THE LAST CASE AND THIS CASE POINT OUT THAT WE NEED SMALL AREA PLANNING.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY COMMENTS.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER, UM, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, AND THEN COMMISSIONER OUR COSTA, UH, TRY TO MAKE MARTIN, UH, AND MY ARM.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I STARTED MY HAIR, MY COLLEAGUES PICKED UP A LOT.
I THINK THAT WAS WHAT WAS BOTHERING ME.
I THINK THE SFI IS A STRETCH ON THIS SIDE.
I JUST, I DON'T THINK THERE IS MY PELVIC CONDITIONER MESSED UP.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT TECH UNITS.
UH, AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY POLICY.
I THINK WE HAVE TO MATCH THE REALITY WITH THE ZONING CLOSER.
UH, IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST ON THE FOUR OR FIVE HOMES IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT LOOKS LIKE ACRE ESTATES.
I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE TERRAIN AND THE WATER PROBLEMS, ALL THAT, UH, I, I WISH I COULD GET MORE EXCITED, A BIT POSITIVE ABOUT IT, CAUSE I DO, I KNOW WE NEED MORE, MORE HOUSING.
WE NEED HOUSING AFFORDABLE AND UNAFFORDABLE, UH, IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, I THINK THAT THE REASON I CAN'T REALLY GRAB, HOLD TO THE AFFORDABLE AND UNLESS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT MANY UNITS AND, UH, UH, SO I SAY ONE OUT OF EIGHT OR ONE OUT OF 10 IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIP.
I THINK WE, IF WE WANTED TO MAKE THE NATURE OF ALL OF THAT, I THINK I SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN UP ON THE LAST ITEM WHERE WE HAD OVER A HUNDRED UNITS.
I THINK ON THAT ONE, HOWEVER, I WAS MORE EXCITED ABOUT THE UNIT MIX BECAUSE I REALLY THINK IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO HAVE LARGER HOMES.
UH, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT.
UH, SO I LOOK AT THE F THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND EXISTING ZONING PATTERN IN THIS AREA.
IF YOU LOOK AT FIRST OF ALL, I'M JUST, EVERYTHING'S DEVELOPED, OKAY.
IT'S SOME OF ITS OLDER PLANTS, BUT IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BASICALLY.
AND THE ZONING PATTERN IS EVERYTHING.
NORTH OF MASSEY IS JUST SF THREE AND EVERYTHING SOUTH OF MATTHEW IS ASSESS APTITUDE.
SO THIS WOULD BE A REAL SPOT ZONING JUST TO PUT SFN THERE, SF OR WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, GIVEN ALL THOSE ARGUMENTS, I, I, I GUESS WHAT I SEE TO BEING ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OUT OF IT, UH, A SHORT LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC WITH A COUPLE OF DUPLEX, LOTS ON THERE, WHICH MIGHT EVEN BE SOMETHING LIKE SIX OR EIGHT UNITS, OPEN THEM UP.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE SOLVED IT.
AND MY POINT TO THAT HERE, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF BACKUP AND IT HELPS, BUT I WISH THAT IT RAN ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
THEY SAY, IT'S NOT AN UNREASONABLE, UH, I BE, THERE'S NOTHING, I'M EIGHT.
I MEAN, IT REALLY, I THINK THAT'S A MISSTATEMENT ON THIS BECAUSE WHAT IS REASONABLE ON THIS SITE? UH, REASONABLE IS HIS LOVE OF FACTORS.
UH, SO I GUESS I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT TORN.
I THINK WE'RE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE WITH SFI.
UH, I AGREE WITH MR. SMITH THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THAT ONE ACRE, UH, UH, BUT, UH, UH, HOW THEY DO IT.
UH, I THINK IT BE DONE WITH A LESSER DISTRICT, UH, A LESSER ZONING THEN THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
MAYBE I SHOULD ASK WENDY, UH, WHOEVER THE APPLICANT IS, WENDY STONE, THIS ONE, UM, UH, CHAN, HOW COULD IT BE DEVELOPED WITH THE OH ONE ACRE ELVIS STACK WITH, UH, WITH DUPLEXES? HOW MANY UNITS COULD BE GAPPED ON THERE? WHAT IS THE MINIMUM? A 57 50 WINDY, UH, MINIMUM.
IT IS MARK GRAHAM, WHO IS THE CASE MANAGER FOR THIS I'M A LITTLE BIT SLOW, SO IT'S A CASE MANAGER, BUT EXPLAIN TO ME, UH, UH, WHAT TYPE OF RETURN SHOULD BE GOTTEN ON SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE SF RATE, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UM, MARK, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? YES.
WELL, LET ME TAKE A STAB AT IT.
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JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.I HAVEN'T ANALYZED IT IN TERMS OF AN SS THREE OR FOUR SOLUTION.
I DID LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF DENSITY PER ACRE.
YOU HAVE TWO AND A HALF ACRES WITH THE PROPOSED 10 UNITS.
THAT WAS ONE UNIT PER ACRE ON AVERAGE, SO THAT, UH, THOUGH THE 10 UNITS WOULD BE CLUSTERED ON THE FRONT ACRE, THE DENSITY PER ACRE OVER THAT TWO AND A HALF ACRES IS COMPARABLE TO, UM, A LOT OF THE LAND AROUND IT.
AND TWICE THE SIZE OF THE UNITS NORTH OF MATTHEWS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, UM, VERY SIMPLY THAT, UM, THEY COULD DO SOME SUBDIVISION.
YOU WOULD LOSE A THIRD OF THE LAND AREA TO ROADWAYS, PERHAPS IF YOU PUT STREETS IN.
UM, AND, UM, THAT, THAT MAY BE A LOT TO ASK OUT OF THE THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE LOOKED AT THE ABILITY TO DO THE CLUSTERING IN THE SF FIVE AS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THIS PARTICULARLY HARD TO DEVELOP LOT IN, UM, YES, WE WERE.
WE WERE PUSHING TO TRY TO SEE WHAT IS, YES, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE REASONABLE.
SO WE WERE TRAINED FOR, UH, A PROBLEM, LIKE A WATER QUALITY SOUND, BUT, UM, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY WE ANALYZED IT.
UM, THE CHRISTIE'S SEVEN 50 SQUARE FEET WOULD GET YOU DRIVEWAYS EVERY, UM, 50 FEET ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
THAT'S FOR DRIVEWAYS ALONG MATTHEWS AND TO GET FOUR LOTS IN THERE, AND THEY WOULD BE TWICE THE MINIMUM TO DO AN SF THREE LOT.
AND, UM, I SEE, IS, DID I GET TO COMMISSIONER KOSTA? SORRY.
COMMISSIONER COSTA AND THEN COMMISSIONER DINKLER.
YOU HAVE A CUTE CAT HE'S EX-OFFICIO UM, JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I DON'T BELIEVE AUSTIN DOES HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING MARKET RATE OR OTHERWISE I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY DATA TO POINT TO THAT.
UH, QUITE THE OPPOSITE OF SEEING THAT WE'RE BECOMING A HOTTER HOUSING MARKET AND THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INFLUX OF NEW JOBS COMING IN PER TESLA AND ALL THAT.
SO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE KNOW THAT WE'RE TAKING OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOMES BEING DEVELOPED IN THE CITY, REGARDLESS OF THEIR MARKET, OR NOT MEANS THAT THE COST OF THOSE HOUSES WILL INCREASE IF THERE'S FEWER OF THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST MORE WANTED.
UM, SO ANY CHANCE WE HAVE TO BUILD MORE ON AN AREA WHERE THERE'S, WHERE THERE'S FEWER, I THINK IS GENERALLY A GOOD IDEA, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS MR. DUNCAN SAID, NOT THAT MANY EXTRA BEDS, I DON'T, I DON'T WORRY ABOUT WRECKING THE CON THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE AREA, UM, WITH A FEW TOWNHOMES IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY, LARGE LOTS.
UM, IF THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA, OR CAUSE MORE FLOODING, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO APPROVE SF FIVE, BECAUSE IT MEANS A FEW MORE HOMES, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VALID ENOUGH REASON TO DENY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT REQUEST.
ADDITIONALLY, A FEW, I THINK ISN'T THE IDEA TO TRY AND MIX THE AMOUNT OF HOMES INTO THE AREA.
SO HAVING A FEW TIME, A FEW, UH, ALTERNATE VERSIONS OF HOMES, I THINK IS A GOOD THING TO SPREAD THAT OUT ACROSS THE CITY AND IN THIS AREA WHERE THERE ARE A FEW TOP TOWNHOMES IS AN OPTION, I THINK IS A BENEFIT.
UM, AND JUST GENERALLY I THINK THAT THE PHILOSOPHY OF ADDING MIXED VARIETIES OF HOMES IS A GOOD THING.
AND THIS AREA WHERE WE AREN'T GOING TO SEE A GREAT, GREAT AMOUNT OF CHANGE, BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY ZONED OUT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE SAYING, OH, NOW I CAN CHANGE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, DESSA FIVE, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIVE THERE ALREADY.
IT IS ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY A PLACE WHERE THERE'S PEOPLE WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT HOME WE'RE HOUSED.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GIST THAT, THANK YOU.
AND THEN A COMMISSIONER DANGLER AND THEN COMMISSIONER SMITH.
UM, IT'S A QUESTION FOR, UM, MS. UH, OUR STAFF MEMBER.
CAN YOU DO I HAD THE SAME THOUGHTS, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN DID.
I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER ZONE AND THEN YOU END UP AND IT CREATED SOME ISSUES OF SPOT ZONING, UM, AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERS ACTUALLY A, UH, MENTIONED IN STATE CODE ABOUT ZONING.
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I THINK WHEN I DIVIDED IT, THE LOT SIZES FOR TOWNHOMES WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT 4,900 SQUARE FEET PER LOT.IS THERE A WAY TO SUBDIVIDE THIS AS A FLAG, LOT TO ALLOW ONE DRIVEWAY OUT TO MATTHEWS AND THEN PUT, UM, DUPLEXES ALONG THE WAY? I, I DON'T THINK I COULD SUPPORT SFI.
YOU CAN ARGUE IT'S MINIMAL, OR YOU COULD ARGUE IT'S NOT WORTH THE UPGRADE.
I CAN SEE ARGUMENTS BOTH WAYS, BUT I THINK I'M TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND ADD THE HOUSING.
SO IS A FLAG GLAAD, AN OPTION HERE? UM, OR DUPLEXES.
UM, STAFF, I THINK IT IS A SUBDIVISION QUESTION.
AND THE SITE PLANNING QUESTION RATHER THAN A ZONING QUESTION IN THAT CASE, UM, UNTIL YOU, UNTIL YOU DESIGN AND ENGINEER THOSE ROADS AND, AND SEE HOW, SEE WHAT THE REMAINING LAND IS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S, COST-EFFECTIVE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE ZONING ANALYSIS.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
PARCELS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SO YES, THE PREDOMINANT ZONING IS
PARCELLS COMING BACK TO WITH SIMILAR QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, SO WE COULD TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT, BUT TYPICALLY WITHOUT DOING THE SITE PLANNING AND THE ENGINEERING ON THE, THE ROADWAYS AND SO FORTH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE RECENT CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT IS TO SAY PEOPLE WHO EXPENSIVE DOING THE SITE, DOING THE ENGINEERING BEFORE THEY FIND OUT WHETHER THERE'S, UM, THERE'S ONLY MUSEUM TO SUPPORT IT.
UH, I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LOOK AT DENSITY WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT LIKE THIS.
I APPRECIATE YOU ARE TRYING TO COMPARE THE DENSITY ON THE ENTIRE LOT, BUT I TEND TO COMPARE, I LIKE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I ALSO LIKED KNOWING THE DENSITY ON THE DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF IT.
I THINK IT GIVES ME A BETTER, UH, FEEL FOR SCALE, IF YOU COULD KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR SOME OF US NOTED.
AND THEN, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, DUNCAN, DID YOU HA OR COMMISSIONER SMITH AND THEN COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER SMITH AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING CLEAN SF TWO AND SFI, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS THE SAME.
THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS THE SAME.
THE MAXIMUM DWELLING UNITS IS WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU'RE NOT LIMITED TO JUST ONE UNIT PER LOT ON, ON THE, AND SO THIS ALLOWS HIM TO CLUSTER THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, HAS LESS DRIVEWAYS COMING OFF OF MATTHEWS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
UM, LESS DRIVEWAYS COMING INTO US.
I THINK THEY CAN DO SOME UNIQUE THINGS TO FIT MORE A LOT.
I DON'T THINK THEY CAN FIT IN IN UNITS.
I JUST DON'T THINK THERE ROOM TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK THEY CAN FIT SIX TO EIGHT AND I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO THAT UNDER SF TOO.
I THINK THAT'D BE LIMITED PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR UNDER SF TO JUST MAYBE GET YOU TWICE AS MUCH GOING TO THE SF FIVE AND THE SF TWO.
UH, I, CAN YOU ASK THAT TOO? YOU'VE GOT TO GET SOME UNIQUE THINGS.
YOU CAN DO SOME DUPLEXES ON EACH LOT OR, OR COTTON COME UP WITH AN EXALTING THAT ALLOWED YOU TO DO TWO UNITS ALL, EACH LOT AND AN ADU, AND JUST KIND OF GET YOU THE SAME DENSITY AND THE SAME USE.
THEY MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO DO WITH LESS INFRASTRUCTURE.
AGAIN, IT'S A UNIQUE, UNIQUE PROJECT AND HERE IN THE INFIELD.
I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER DUNCAN AND THEN COMMISSIONER KING AND THEN COMMISSIONER BRAY, MY A UP.
UM, AND, AND MY QUESTION IS TO STAFF AND IT'S REGARDING SF THREE ZONING.
MY UNDERSTANDING UNDER SF THREE ZONING, YOU COULD HAVE A DUPLEX AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE AN ADU.
IS THAT CORRECT? YOU COULD HAVE UP TO THREE UNITS ON EACH, EACH, EACH 57 50.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S MY, IF I'M CORRECT, I THINK THEY COULD GET WHAT THEY NEED OUT OF SF THREE ZONING HERE.
UM, MARK GRAHAM, ARE YOU HERE? UM, I'M HERE.
I MAY REACH OUT TO WENDY IF SHE'S STILL ON THE LINE ON THAT QUESTION.
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NO, I, I DON'T KNOW THE, UM, THE MINIMUMS FOR THE USE.I BELIEVE YOU HAD TO GO TO 10,000 OF STEVE'S OR SOMETHING LARGER THAN THE 57 50 ON THE ADS, BUT I MAY BE WRONG IN THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SEEING IF WENDY WAS ON THE LINE.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A DUPLEX AND AN ADU, SO YOU CAN HAVE THREE UNITS UP TO THREE UNITS ON AN SF THREE, LOTS, LOT 57 50 LOCKS.
SO I DO BELIEVE THEY CAN ACHIEVE WHAT THEY HAVE WITH, WITH THE LOWER ZONING CATEGORY.
AND ALSO THAT IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T, UH, SET A NEW PRECEDENT FOR THAT AREA.
AND THEN IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT THERE WERE OTHER DR.
UNIT, UH, UH, UH, LOTS OUT THERE THAT WILL SAY YES, IF YOU GAVE THAT ONE SF FIVE.
SO I WANT THAT AS THE BASELINE GOING FORWARD, I'M JUST VERY WORRIED ABOUT THIS PRECEDENT.
AND THEN AGAIN, ONE MORE, ONE LAST POINT FOR SMALL AREA PLANNING.
UM, I'M, I'M FOR THE OPTION HERE THAT HAS LESS DRIVEWAY.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I SAYS THREE PART OF ME IF I UNDERSTAND THESE WRONG, BUT LOWER ZONING, AND THEN THEY COULD BUILD A ROAD TO HAVE DUPLEXES INSTEAD OF TOWNHOUSES.
LIKE I'D RATHER HAVE THE TOWNHOUSES AND LESS ST.
PETE, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER ACOSTA, ACOSTA, DID YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE HAND UP? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK COMMISSIONER DUNCAN? UH, UH, I THINK DISTRICT GEN, UH, REINFORCES TWO THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT A LOT AND WHAT IS SMALL ED PLANNING.
UH, AND I DID MENTION IT EARLIER OR THE ONE BEFORE, BUT WHAT WE DID WHEN WE OVERALL FACTION ROAD, THAT'S ON IT, WE ACTUALLY CREATED, I THINK, A HOLE IN THE DONUT AND IT'S ASIAN.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE WHOLE THING.
AND, AND ON THIS ONE, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, I LIKED THE IDEA OF, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, A BIGGER RETURN THAN ONE HOUSE FROM THE OLD, A LOT.
UH, THE, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT THIS REALLY IS TH THIS IS THE REINFORCES, THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE, THE CURRENT ZONING CODE.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A DISTRICT THAT WILL RETURN A SITE LIKE THIS.
AND THIS IS NOT AN ATYPICAL SITE.
THIS IS A, AN INFIELD SITE THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT ISN'T, WE CAN NOT IGNORE THAT IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF FAMILIES WHO HAVE VESTED EVERYTHING IN THEIR HOMES, BUT IT IS AN AREA WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO CHANGE.
I MEAN, I WOULD NOT DOUBT, AND I HAVE NOT BEEN DOWN THERE.
I APOLOGIZE, BUT LOOK AT THE SITE, BUT THOSE FOUR OR FIVE HOMES TO THE WEST PHONE, LARGE LOTS THAT THEY COULD BE OLDER AND THEY TO BE COMING IN FOR AN RF OR WHATEVER WE GET.
I MEAN, ASSET, EXCUSE ME, AN ASSET FIVE.
UH, THERE IS THAT POTENTIAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE TRYING TO GET IS, IS PROVIDING HOUSING AND ALSO STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT BOTHERS ME THAT, UH, I, I DON'T THINK THEY EVEN REALLY NEED IT.
I THINK IT JUST BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A TOOL, WHICH WILL RETURN THEM A FEW MORE UNITS ON THE SITE OR REASONABLE USE.
AND I THINK
SO I, I MEAN, I, MY DILEMMA ON THIS, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO VOTE FOR ONE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SET THE PRECEDENT.
UM, UH, AND I REALLY DON'T, I KNOW STAFF IS APPRECIATE MARK STANDARD.
UH, YOU REALLY CAN'T SOLVE THIS UNTIL YOU GO TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND YOU REALLY TRY TO SIGHT IT OUT AND THEN LOOK AT IT.
UH, AND, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS IN IT.
UH, I HATE TO DELAY IT, BUT I'M JUST REALLY NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, WITH GIVEN THE SS FIVE, BUT I'M ALSO NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE DELAYING IT.
UH, SO AGAIN, I TURN TO MY COLLEAGUES AND SAY, WHAT TYPE OF SOLUTION DO WE HAVE? UM, I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE BABBLE, BUT, UH, UH, IT'S, UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA.
UH, THIS IS NOT AN EASY AREA FOR ACCESS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, MATTHEWS IS NOT AND MAJOR ARTERIAL SIX LANE ARTERIAL, BUT SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS TWENTY-FIVE FOOT PAVING AND 60 FOOT RUNAWAY.
UH, SO IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S, IT HASN'T GOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARILY TO HANDLE IT.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
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BIG DENSITY HERE.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT OR 10 UNITS.
UH, BUT I THINK WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MY CONCERN IS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER IS IT IS A SMALL INFILL SITE, AND IT IS TYPICAL OF A THOUSAND OF THOUSANDS OF OTHER SITES IN THIS STUDY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEY'RE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS SOME OF THE BIGGER SITES, AND WE NEED TO MAKE A WISE, UH, CAREFUL DECISION.
SO I'M SORRY THAT TOOK TOO LONG ON THAT.
AND COMMISSIONER KING, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP AND THEN COMMISSIONER SMITH? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I WASN'T, UH, CUTTING IN FRONT OF COMMISSIONER BRAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS IN LINE FIRST.
SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO HELP US GET GOING HERE TO GET TO SOME, AND, UH, THERE'S NOT A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIR ON THIS CORRECT MOTION, PLEASE.
MOTION SF THREE FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS SIDE, FOR ME TO NOW MOTION A MOTION FOR SF THREE BY COMMISSIONER KING.
IS THERE A SECOND AND MOTION? IT LOOKS LIKE MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
SO, OH, AND COMMISSIONER SMITH.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT RECOMMENDATION OF SFI AND MOTION SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KOSTA.
AND, UM, AND THEN I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD DO A LIMIT, UH, I WAS THINKING OF OFFERING AN AMENDMENT TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT I I'VE DECIDED NOT TO, UM, TO TELL THEM, CAUSE I THINK IT'S YEAH.
OTHER FEATURES ON THE SIDE, BUT I'M STILL, I'M STILL GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT SF FIVE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO INTENSIVE IN THAT AREA AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE WITH, UM, AND I THINK IT'S JUST A HARD AREA TO COME UP WITH, BUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR AMENDMENTS OR ANYTHING GO AHEAD.
AND IF NOT, WE CAN JUST VOTE ON IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING A CEPHEID ONLY BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA.
IT DOES NOT PROVIDE A TRANSITION AND THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING TRUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT ALL.
SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE MY THOUGHTS.
AND THEN ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND IF NOT, WE WILL JUST GO TO THE VOTE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COSTA FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS AND I WILL READ YOUR NAME OUT.
COMMISSIONER RAY, COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER, OR CLOSE TO COMMISSIONER EVANS, COMMISSIONER BRAY, AND VICE-CHAIR BURRELL RAMIREZ, ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS OR HAVE A CAT COME ACROSS YOUR LAP.
UM, COMMISSIONER KOBASA COMMISSIONER DUNKIN, COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER, UH, GEARY AND COMMISSIONER DANCLER.
SO THE MOTION PASSES SIX TO FIVE AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR PARTICIPATING.
AND THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS DEFINITELY A TRICKY SITUATION AND VERY GOOD DISCUSSION.
AND NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION.
[C1. Discussion and possible action regarding matters related to any proposed revisions to the Land Development Code including but not limited to staff updates, presentations and scheduling. (Sponsors: Chair Kiolbassa and Commissioner Duncan)]
IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING MATTERS RELATED TO ANY PROPOSAL REGENTS AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.UM, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, SINCE YOU AND I HAD PUT IT ON THERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING OR NOT? UH, ALL THE BIG JOBS.
WHEN I THINK THE TWO CASES WE'VE DISCUSSED TO THAT REINFORCE THIS, UH, THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN NEEDS TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD IN DEVELOPING A SMALL AREA PLANNING PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHICH RECOGNIZES ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR FUTURE NEEDS, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE A FASTEST GROWING CITY.
SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE THAT WE CONTINUE AND NUMBER TWO, AND IMPORTANTLY, TIED TO THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO PICK UP THE, UH, WE NEED TO PICK UP AND MOVE FORWARD WITH AN UPDATE OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD THAT EVERYBODY USES BECAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A NEW DOCUMENT, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WILL PROPERLY IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT IT'S BECOME SO STATED.
AND SO TARNISHED THAT IS REALLY FRUSTRATING AND, UH, UH, BUT MEDITATING OUT, UH, AT AM.
I, I DON'T WANT TO GET POLITICAL, BUT I HAVE, I THINK HEARD, UH, WORDS FROM OUR TWO NEWLY ELECTED CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THEY ARE FOR THOSE TWO THINGS.
AND I LOOK FORWARD WITH OPTIMISM AND I'D HOPE THAT, UH, WAS THAT A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME THAT, UH, UH, THAT THIS STUDY CAN GET A,
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UH, UH, A, A SMALL AREA OF BASED PLANNING PROCESS GOING, WHICH IS MEANINGFUL AND IT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED.WE CERTAINLY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON A LOT OF THINGS AND THAT I THINK IS, UH, SHOULD BE AT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, UH, AND, UH, AND RETURNED TO COMING UP WITH SOME TYPE OF A REASONABLE LAND REGULATIONS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE PROBLEMS WE'VE GOT TODAY.
I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD.
UH, AND, UM, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO WATCHING YOU GUYS IN THE COMING YEAR, MOVE FORWARD ON THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN, UM, WHY DON'T WE, UM, ANYTHING ELSE UNDER C1? AND IF NOT, WE CAN GO TO
[C2. Staff briefing and discussion on notification and sign-up process. (Sponsors: Commissioners Bray and Denkler)]
C2, WHICH IS STAFF BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION ON NOTIFICATION AND SIGN UP PROCESS SPONSORS, COMMISSIONER BRAY, AND CLAIRE.AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M JUMPING IN FOR COMMISSIONER BRAY, BUT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR, UM, OUR LIAISON TO JUST KIND OF GIVE US A TIMELINE, UH, ABOUT, UH, THE PROCESSES.
UM, COVID HAS MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT.
UH, YOU'RE NOT SIGNING PEOPLE UP JUST BEFORE A MEETING OR DURING BEING, SO YOU'RE HAVING TO DO EVERYTHING BEFOREHAND.
UM, AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU HAVE A NOON UP ON MONDAY.
UM, YOU HAVE A, UM, UH, TUESDAY YOU'RE DEALING WITH Q AND A, UM, MR. RIVERA, IF YOU COULD JUST HIGHLIGHT THE, THE DEADLINE FOR YOU ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES, UM, UH, IN TERMS OF GETTING FOLKS TO SIGN UP, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH THE TECH SIDE OF IT.
UM, I'M HOPING WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR FOLKS, UM, THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH A SYSTEM LIKE AN APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO SIGN UP, UM, IN TIME.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD LAY THAT OUT, I THINK IT WOULD HELP US, UM, UNDERSTAND, UH, THE DILEMMAS JOE COMMISSIONER IS ON ANDREW VERA.
SO I'M GOING TO START A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK.
I'M GOING TO START WITH WHAT'S THE DRIVING FORCE OF THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THAT'S A TOMA, RIGHT.
AND WHAT THOMAS SAYS IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A GOVERNMENT BODY SHALL ALLOW EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO DESIRES TO ADDRESS THE BODY REGARDING A ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR AN OPEN BENIN AND BODY TO ADDRESS THE BODY, UM, ON THE ITEMS TO BE CONSIDERED FURTHER STATES THAT THE GOVERNMENT BODY MAY ADOPT REASONABLE RULES REGARDING THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO ADDRESS THE BODY UNDER THIS SECTION.
SO CURRENTLY WE ARE UNDER THE GOVERNOR'S, UH, DECLARATION, A DISASTER DECLARATION, WHICH HAS SUSPENDED SOME OF THOSE RULES, UM, NOT, UH, THE ONES JUST MENTIONED JUST THE PHYSICALLY BEING PRESENT IN THE ROOM, UH, MAINLY.
SO HOW DO WE CONVEY THAT TO THE PUBLIC? WE STILL HAVE MAILED PUBLIC NOTICES, THOSE, UM, START OFF WITH A FILING OF, UM, IN PARTICULAR FOR HIS, HIS ZONING, UH, FILING A ZONING, UM, THEN FOLLOWED BY THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTE AS A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE INCLUDES THE CONTACT FOR THE CASE MANAGER AND THE LINK TO THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
NOW I JUMPED A LITTLE BIT AHEAD.
SO AS PART OF THAT DECLARATION, THE CITY CART'S OFFICE PROVIDED, UM, SOME, UH, GUIDELINES OR SOME ROLES, UH, BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND, UH, ZONING PLANNING IS ONE OF 70 BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS.
UM, SO THESE RULES APPLY TO ALL BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS.
WHAT ARE THEY? THEY ARE THE DEADLINE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK IS A NAN THE DAY BEFORE A MEETING, UM, MIGHT ALSO ADD THAT THIS ALSO APPLIES TO COUNCIL AS WELL.
THE SPEAKING ALLOTMENT TIMES, AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM OUR ROLES.
UM, BUT BECAUSE WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO GO FROM COMMISSIONS TO COUNCIL AND BE, UM, GIVEN THE SAME UNDERSTANDING OF THE ROLES AND TO UNCOMPLICATE MATTERS, UH, TO THE PUBLIC UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, WAYS WE CONVEY, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS TO THE PUBLIC.
WE PROVIDE SIGNS ON SITE, WHICH HAVE THESE ON IN CASE NUMBER AND THE, UH, CONTACT NUMBER FOR THE CASE MANAGER.
NOW FOR THE AGENDA ITSELF, THE AGENDA IS A VERY SPECIFIC, YOU CAN ALL, UM, UH, VIEW THE AGENDA ONLINE.
IT HAS WHEN TO SIGN UP THE INFORMATION REQUIRED.
NOTE THAT THE INFORMATION REQUIRED
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IS SIMILAR TO IN-PERSON SPEAKING.NAT COMES FROM CITY CODE, CITY CODE REQUIRES A NAME MAILING ADDRESS THAT IS BASICALLY THE SAME INFORMATION THAT'S BEING REQUIRED OF THE CITIZENS TODAY, EXCEPT THAT WE ALSO REQUIRE REQUEST A PHONE NUMBER, A PHONE NUMBER TO BE REGISTERED SO THAT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT WHO'S ON THE TELECONFERENCE, I CAN KNOW IF SOMEONE'S ABSENT, IF SOMEONE'S PRESENT, IF I HAVE ALL MEMBERS OF PRESENCE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH YOU ALL SAW DURING ITEM B ONE TODAY, UM, THAT'S WHY WE WERE ABLE TO TABLE THE ITEM BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE APPLICANT WAS NOT ON THE TELECONFERENCE.
HOW WAS THAT DONE AFTER THE DEADLINE MONDAY AT NOON FOR ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION, A CONTACT IS IN CREATED WITH THE CITIZEN.
THE CITIZEN IS PROVIDED A CONFIRMATION EMAIL OR PHONE.
UH, THE, UH, PUBLIC HAS THE OPTION TO EITHER CALL OR SEND AN EMAIL.
WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT MOST INDIVIDUALS PREFER SEND IN AN EMAIL, AND EVEN IF THEY CALL, WE STILL ASK IF THEY HAVE AN EMAIL AVAILABLE, BECAUSE IT'S A MORE OF A, UM, IT'S EASIER TO, UH, COMMUNICATE TO, UM, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ALL AT ONCE.
AND SO WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE? THAT INCLUDES THE TELECONFERENCE NUMBER.
THAT INCLUDES THE STATUS OF THEIR CASE.
THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE, AND THIS IS UNIQUE ONLY TO THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS PLANNING, COMMISSION, ZONING PLANNING COMMISSION, IF YOU RECALL.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO PART OF THE COOK'S RULES.
IF YOU RECALL, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UM, UH, OF OUR MEETINGS PROCESSES, ALL CITIZENS AND APPLICANTS WERE CALLING IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
THIS IS STILL THE CASE FOR MOST OTHER BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, OR ACTUALLY ALL BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND, UH, COUNCIL.
AGAIN, THIS IS UNIQUE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND ZONING PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE TIME TO CREATE THAT CONTACT TO CREATE THAT, UM, UM, THAT CONVEYANCE OF INFORMATION, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING WHAT'S COMMUNICATED.
SO THE, AS YOU'RE HERE AS CONSTANTLY SAY, STAR SIX, STAR SIX STAR SIX, THAT'S YOUR FRIEND.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S STILL A STRANGE TECHNOLOGY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE DID WE THIS STAR SIX FROM THAT'S WHAT I HEAR A LOT.
UM, BUT SO WHAT WE DO, WHAT I DO IS IF I, I OFFER, UM, INDIVIDUALS, A MOCK MEETING, UM, JUST TO TEST, UM, WHAT THEIR PHONE, UH, WITH THE, UH, TO, UM, TO GO THROUGH A CALL-IN.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT IS, UM, FEASIBLE BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT TIME OF THE NOON DEADLINE.
IF WE'RE TO MOVE THAT DEADLINE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE COULD CONTINUE IN THE FASHION OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO FAR, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC AND THE APPLICANTS CALLING PER CASE DISCUSSION.
ALSO, WE WISH TO CHANGE THAT THAT WOULD, UM, UM, BE COMMUNICATED TO THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CIRCUIT CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
WE'VE HAD ABOUT 80 UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SINCE WE STARTED.
AND THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE FROM HEARING, HEY, I GET TO HAVE MORE TIME WITH MY FAMILY TO ADOLESCENCE OF MY CARBON FOOTPRINT.
UM, AND WE HA I HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED, UM, MANY, UH, CONCERNS.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN REGARDS TO SIGN-UPS AND PERSON WE HAVE ABOUT TWO OR THREE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE WITH THE, UH, VIRTUAL SIGNUPS, WE'VE HAD THREE INDIVIDUALS, UM, WHO'VE HAD ISSUES.
ONE WAS THAT AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART, OR WE GOT A DILUTION OF CITIZENS CALLING IN, UH, FOR OUR CASE, UM, WHICH MADE IT MAKE THAT ONE CASE WAS THE BULK OF AN ENTIRE, UM, YEARS OF CITIZENS PARTICIPATION.
AND THE INDIVIDUAL WAS SIGNED UP FOR THE WRONG CASE.
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CORRECTED THAT TO BY INDIE CONFIRMATION EMAIL, NOTING OF WHICH ITEM THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOR THE SECOND INDIVIDUAL.IT'S AND IT'S THE SAME THING AS IN-PERSON SIGN-UP, IF YOUR CASE IS POSTPONED, YOU STILL HAVE TO SIGN UP AGAIN FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION BECAUSE THEY SIGNED UP AT THAT, THAT AUTOMATICALLY SIGNED THEM INTO THE NEXT MEETING.
THE THIRD INDIVIDUAL MOST RECENTLY, UM, WAS PROVIDED INFORMATION TO SIGN UP.
ONE THING THAT STAFF DOES EVERY FRIDAY, WHEN THE AGENDA IS POSTED EVERY INTERESTED PARTY, AND EVERY APPLICANT RECEIVES THE PARTICIPATION PAGE, THAT IS THE FIRST PAGE A LISTED ON THE AGENDA, EACH INTERESTED PARTY, AND APPLICANT REALLY RECEIVES THAT PAGE WITH MY CONTACT INFORMATION, UH, TO SIGN UP THE THIRD INDIVIDUAL SIMPLY DID NOT SIGN UP.
UH, MY UNDERSTAND IS THAT HE SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT.
HE SPOKE TO, UH, THE CASE MANAGER, THE CASE MANAGER PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, FAILED TO SIGN UP.
UM, THE POSITION THAT THE COMMISSION IS IN IS, AGAIN, UM, YOU, WE ARE WELCOME TO SUBMIT A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
AND, UM, COMMISSIONER, DON'T GET IT.
THAT WAS THE NEXT ONE PRESENTATION ONE QUESTION.
AND I THINK I ALLUDED TO IT WHAT TIME BEFORE, UH, AND I'M LOOKING AT IT NOW ON THURSDAY, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION REMOTE MEETING, AND I PRESUME ALL OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN HOME.
UH, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE IT TOLD ME ABOUT A MEETING COMING UP.
I HAVE HAD NOTHING ON THE AGENDA.
UH, IT SAYS CLICK HERE, AND THEY WOULD PAY YOU INTO IT.
BUT TO ME, IT WAS A, AN EFFORT TO EXPAND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND AWARENESS AND STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT.
UH, THE LIAISON FOR THE COMMISSION APPARENTLY IS SOMEBODY THAT TAYLOR CHAMPLIN, UH, HER NAME IS ANDREA, IS THE PERSON TO CONTACT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE CITY OF WASHINGTON NEEDS TO BE MAXIMIZING ITS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE BELIEVE ME, I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF WE DID A POLL OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD UP HERE, 95% WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IF THEY DID, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO REACH OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPLICATE IT.
I THINK THAT OUR STAFF IS DOING A GOOD JOB OF, OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WHY IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, THE ONLY COMMISSION AMONG THE, HOW MANY? LET'S JUST SAID 70, WE'VE GOTTEN THIS DOWN, UH, THAT SENDS OUT AN EMAIL TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC SAYING, HEY, WE GOT A MINI COMING UP.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT OUR AGENDA, IT DOESN'T GIVE ALL THE BACKUP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAILING LIST YOU USE.
UH, IT JUST SAYS, JUST SAYS, WHY AM I RECEIVING AN EMAIL? YOU HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL STAKEHOLDER FOR RECEIVING NOTIFICATIONS ABOUT UPCOMING ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING, UH, ABOUT HOW THEY, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH WAS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.
DO YOU KNOW, UH, Y YOUR PAST COMMISSION IS MORE INTERESTED IN, OR NOT MORE UNDERSTOOD? I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT NOW, BUT IT HAS MADE THIS EXTRA EFFORT TO ELICIT INPUT OR AWARENESS OF YOUR ACTIVITY.
I GOT THE SAME EMAIL, BUT I THINK IT'S, CAUSE I SIGNED UP FOR THE LIST.
IT WILL BE ASKED TO BE PUT ON THE LIST AND THEN YOU'RE ON THAT LIST.
I JUST THINK YOU OUGHT TO BE DOING THAT EXTRA EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEN FACILITATE THEIR BUILDING.
AS I SAY, AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THIS PAST YEAR IN TERMS OF OUR VIRTUAL ABILITIES.
IF YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO GO AWAY AFTER COVID-19, YOU GOT TO TALK TO GENTLEMEN.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE ALL LEARNED A LOT.
UH, AND, UH, I THINK IT HAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE HERE, SO WE JUST NEED TO KEEP IMPROVING THIS.
UH, AND MAYBE EVEN IN THE, IN THE FUTURE HAVE HYBRID,
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UH, MEETINGS, UH, WITH VIRTUAL IS AN OPTION YOU DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW.I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE NEED TO BE THINKING I'M WE GO TO DIFFERENT THAN WE DO HAVE THE 20, 20, 20, AND 2020 BEFORE.
SO I GUESS WHAT, I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IT'S BEEN NO, NOBODY ELSE GOT THIS EMAIL FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.
UM, IF I, OH, COMMISSIONER BRAY HAD HIS HAND UP.
AND I WANTED TO SAY LIKE, AND I'VE BEEN PASSING THIS POINT A LOT AND IT'S, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THIS TEST IN A DIFFICULT POSITION AND I'M NOT, UH, WANTING TO PROVE THIS ISSUE BECAUSE I DON'T TRUST STAFF.
IT'S JUST THE REASON I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S CREATED ENOUGH PROBLEMS, THAT IT WOULD BE A DERELICTION OF DUTY ON OUR PART, NOT TO PROBE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND WANT TO KNOW WHY, WHY IT NEEDS TO, WHY, WHY DOES THIS WAY AND WHY WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING IT'S EASIER TO USE.
AND, UM, AND I, LIKE, I, I KNOW, UH, THIS IS GONNA KIND ISSUE THAT IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS A HARD FOR ONE PERSON TO HANDLE THIS.
UM, AND, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY OF ANDREW'S LEVEL, BUT MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME CREATIVE THOUGHTS ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIAISONS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DUNNO HOW MANY COMMISSIONS YOU HANDLE ANDREW, BUT LIKE WERE ON THE DAY OF, YOU KNOW, TH THERE TOO.
AND, AND PULLING UP TWO HANDS FINGERS, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU GO HELP EACH OTHER THAT, CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, IT'S JUST THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK ROUGHLY W IT'S DEADLINE IS THE ISSUE SEEMS TO BE THAT IT'S ALL, LIKE YOU HAVE ONE DEGREE OF TRYING TO HANDLE FIVE DIFFERENT TESTS THAT HAVING THE STAFF HELP EACH OTHER, WHERE LIKE YOU AND ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE A MEETING ON FRIDAY, THEY'RE HELPING YOU WITH THE SIGN UP STUFF FOR TUESDAY, FOR THE ZAP MEETING.
AND THEN YOU'RE HELPING THEM WITH THE FRIDAY THING TO NEED OF WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE STAFF THE NEXT DAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING STUFF AROUND TO HELP WITH THE SURGE OF NEED, YOU KNOW, LABOR, UH, MIGHT BE, MIGHT BE A WAY TO HELP ADDRESS IT IN A, AND I'M JUST THINKING THAT, THAT COURAGING, UM, UM, UH, I ALSO WONDER IF WE COULD MAYBE MOVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS, LIKE MOVE THINGS AROUND SO THAT YOU, LESS OF THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING THIS AFTERNOON, LIKE MAYBE THE Q AND A QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ASKED AHEAD OF TIME.
UH, YOU KNOW, CAUSE LIKE WE ALL KNOW LIKE WE'RE ALL USED TO THIS PROCESS.
I THINK IT'S, UH, I WOULD RATHER HAVE US HAVE TO DO THINGS MORE AHEAD OF TIME AND THE PUBLIC WERE LESS ENGAGED AND MORE PEOPLE ENGAGING WITH THAT FIRST TIME.
UH, IF WE HAVE TO GET OUR QUESTIONS SOONER IN AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT CITIZENS CAN DO IT CLOSER TO, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A TRADE OFF, I THINK WOULD BE WORTH MAKING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF US PROCRASTINATE, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS PROCRASTINATE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE ALL, I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 HOURS AHEAD OF A MEETING TIME IS A DEADLINE.
LIKE I, I DON'T OFTEN LOOK AT WHAT AM I DOING THE NEXT DAY UNTIL THE DAY BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PE I THINK THAT CREATES A BIG BARRIER TO ENTRY, UM, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU DO IN TERMS OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WALKING THROUGH PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME.
MAYBE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS YOU ONLY, IF SOMEONE IS SIGNING UP LIKE SIX HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING AND YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT, WELL, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DO IT FOR EVERYONE, FOR EVERYONE WHO SIGNED UP EARLY ENOUGH, YOU DO IT, BUT THEN SOME OF THEM, YOU DON'T.
UM, SO, AND I'M SORRY, I'M RAMBLING A BIT.
UH, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEANT? LIKE YOU HAVE THEM ON A PER CASE DISCUSSION, THEY ARE PEOPLE IN A SEPARATE QUEUE AND THEN YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT CALL FOR EACH CASE.
OR HOW DOES THAT WORK WHERE THE COLLECTOR WAS THAT YOU MEANT BY THAT? SURE.
SO THE CITIZENS RECEIVE A CHART THAT'S UM, PROVIDES THE STATUS OF THEIR CASE.
IF THERE'S MORE THAN ONE DISCUSSION CASED, THEY DON'T HAVE TO CALL IN UNTIL 15, ABOUT 15 MINUTES.
PRIOR TO THAT ITEM BEING TAKEN UP, I SENT OUT AN EMAIL TO OUR PHONE CALL TO INDIVIDUALS, LAYING THEM TO CALL IN AT THAT TIME.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ON THE TELECONFERENCE FROM 6:00 PM TILL 8:00 PM WHEN THEIR ITEM IS TAKEN UP, UM, W THEY WILL RECEIVE A CALL 15 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE ITEM BEING TAKEN UP.
SO DO YOU LIKE, ARE YOU JUST ESTIMATING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I SEE THREE ITEMS. I THINK THIS ONE CASE WILL TAKE LIKE 30 MINUTES AND THEN 15 MINUTES INTO THAT.
YOU DO IT FOR THE NEXT ITEM, THE COMMISSIONER WHILE HE'S ON THE BOARD.
SO, UM, THE, UH, SO BY THE TIME, UH, THE COMMISSION STARTS TO GOING INTO DELIBERATIONS, UM, THAT'S USUALLY ABOUT 20 MINUTES OR SO ABOUT THAT TIME
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IS WHEN I'LL COMMUNICATE TO THE NEXT GROUP TO GO AHEAD AND CALL IN.AND DO, HOW, HOW MUCH DO OTHER CONDITIONS LIKE HAVE THEY HAD THIS? WE'VE HAD A COMPLETE, I THINK IT'S TWO OR THREE CASES WHERE WE'VE BEEN STUCK BETWEEN DO A DELAY CASE, ALLOWING SOMEONE TO SPEAK, HOW MANY, UM, HOW OFTEN HAS THAT HAPPENED HAPPENING ON THE COMMISSIONS? IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THAT SHERIFF.
UM, SO ARE YOU, SO COMMISSIONER BRAY, YOU'RE ASKING IF HE KNOWS ANY OTHER CASES IN ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS YEAH.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE TO ZAP OR IS THIS A REGULAR OCCURRENCE, UH, WHERE, OR A MORE COMMON OCCURRENCE WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH PROBLEMS THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DEBATE, DELAYING A CASE BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDN'T, UH, CITIZENS IN SIGN UP TO SPEAK IN TIME.
WELL, AND I THINK I COULD STEP IN, BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME THAT ALL THE STAFF LIAISONS DON'T HANG OUT AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD, ANDREW CHAIR.
SO AGAIN, UM, THIS STYLE AND THE WAY WE CONDUCT OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS IS UNIQUE TO THE LAND.
USE COMMISSIONS, ALL OTHER BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COUNCIL HAVE THE APPLICANTS.
WE HAVE ALL THESE CITIZENS SPEAKING AT ONE TIME FOR ALL ITEMS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, IF A CITIZEN ISN'T AVAILABLE TO SPEAK DURING THEIR TIME, THEY MISS THEIR TURN.
I BELIEVE THAT THE I, NO IT'S, UH, OCCURRING DURING COUNCIL.
WHAT ARE THE CLERK WILL REACH OUT TO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS, UH, CALLED BY THE MAYOR AND WAS NOT PRESENT THE CITY CLERK, WALDEN REACH OUT TO THAT INDIVIDUAL AFTER EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN TO SEE IF THEY COULD GET THEM BACK ON THE LINE.
UM, AND, AND THANK YOU ANDREW, FOR THAT, FOR THAT INFORMATION.
AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE HOW YOU WORK AS YOU KNOW, UH, TO TRY TO GET EVERYBODY SIGNED UP IN TIME AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN SPEAK WHEN IT'S THEIR TURN TO SPEAK.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU'RE ALSO TRYING TO NOT MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY'RE ON HOLD.
I I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT MYSELF MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE I'M ON HOLD FOR THREE OR FOUR HOURS, AND INVARIABLY I GET DISCONNECTED BECAUSE THE CELL SERVICE IS NOT RELIABLE FOR SOME REASON.
AND I HAVE TO DIAL IN AND GET BACK INTO THE QUEUE.
SO I DO APPRECIATE IT, ANDREW, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR COMMISSION HERE AND TRYING TO MAKE THINGS AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET AS MUCH PUBLIC INPUT AS, AS YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO PROVIDE TO OUR COMMISSION.
UM, BUT, UH, I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DUNKIN AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE WITH US FOR, YOU KNOW, FOREVER THE OPTION TO, UH, HE DIDN'T SAY FOREVER, BUT I'M THINKING FOR THE LONG-TERM HERE.
I BELIEVE THE OPTION TO VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION IN MEETINGS IS GOING TO BE, BE WITH US.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL TRIED TO INITIATE THAT ALREADY, EVEN BEFORE THE PANDEMIC WITH ALLOWING FOLKS TO GO, TO GO TO A PARTICULAR LOCATION IN EACH DISTRICT AND TO PROVIDE THEIR TESTIMONY VIA VIDEO CONFERENCING.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN AN EQUITABLE WAY, UH, THAT, UH, AND, AND ENSURING THAT, THAT ALL FOLKS FROM ALL PARTS OF OUR, OUR CITY HERE CAN PARTICIPATE.
AND THAT'S NOT A BARRIER TO PARTICIPATING EITHER WAY IN-PERSON OR VIRTUALLY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EMPHASIS ON THAT.
AND WHEN WE NEED TO KEEP WORKING ON THAT, THERE'S, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, WHICH IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE FOLKS HAS THE BANDWIDTH AND THE INTERNET CONNECTIVITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I KNOW OUR COMMISSIONING APPARENTLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY DIRECT ROLE THAT WE CAN PLAY IN THAT OTHER THAN BRINGING US UP AND SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT.
ONE OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS WE COULD, WHEN THE, WHEN THE BUDGET COMES AROUND, UH, THE CITY BUDGET, WE CAN CERTAINLY RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY DO EVERYTHING IT CAN FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE TO PROVIDE, TO ENSURE THAT THAT, THAT OUR LOW-INCOME COMMUNITIES HAVE HAD ACCESS TO, TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN, IN OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS.
UM, THE, AND I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, SO MANY ISSUES, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL LOCAL STATEWIDE, THAT IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT SOME THINGS MIGHT SORT OF FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
AND ALSO THE CRACKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVE JUST BEEN RELATIVELY RECENTLY DEFINED.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MALLEABLE TO THESE RULES THAT WE HAVE FOR PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY.
AND THEY'RE NOT IN, IN, IN AS ANDREW POINTED OUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES THAT WITH OUR COMMISSION AND OTHER COMMISSIONS, THE LAND USE COMMISSION.
SO, SO, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
UM, BUT I ALSO LIKE TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE, UH, DIDN'T HAVE
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THE OPPORTUNITY OR FOR WHATEVER REASON WASN'T ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE DO NEED TO, I THINK, BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD GET THAT, THAT INPUT.AND BECAUSE THESE ZONING DECISIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY HERE FOR THE LONGTERM, USUALLY WHAT WE DO HERE GETS APPROVED, OR IT GETS MODIFIED MAYBE IN SOME WAYS BY COUNCIL, BUT TYPICALLY GETS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
AND THERE IT IS IN PLACE FOR, FOR DECADES TO COME IN MANY CASES.
SO THESE ARE LONG LASTING EFFECTS.
THESE DECISIONS WE HAVE, THEY HAVE MANY IMPLICATIONS ON, ON, ON, ON SO MANY PEOPLE, FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES THAT, THAT I DO FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN WILLING TO SAY, WE'LL POSTPONE THE CASE AND TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A TIME TO PARTICIPATE.
SO, UH, I'M JUST CHIMING IN TO SAY THAT LET'S, LET'S CONTINUE THIS FLEXIBILITY.
LET'S CONTINUE TO WORK ON TRYING TO MAKE THIS PROCESS AS SIMPLE AND AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS POSSIBLE.
I LIKE, I'D LIKE TO JUST IN TIME PROCESS WHERE SIGNUP PROCESS, I REALLY APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER BRAY IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE MAKE IT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO SIGN UP AT THE LAST MINUTE.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL BUSY, YOU KNOW, WE, AND, AND, AND THE FOLKS WHO SIGN UP, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE GOING TO BE THERE RIGHT IN LINE, READY TO GO.
THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW ALL THE RULES AND THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONES REQUESTING THE ZONING AND THE DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS.
IT'S THE PUBLIC THAT OTHER PUBLIC THAT HAS.
THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS, THEY HAVE LIVES.
WE HAVE FAMILIES THAT ARE NOW TEACHING THEIR KIDS AT HOME.
I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS THAT THEY NEED THAT THEY NEED TO DO IN THEIR LIVES.
SO I THINK THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THAT OUR COMMISSION HAS BILLING BEEN WILLING TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE GIVEN THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THESE IMPORTANT ZONING CASES.
SO, UH, AND MY LAST POINT WOULD BE THAT, THAT I DO, I, I DO HOPE THAT WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGETING THAT WE WILL, WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY REGARDING THE BUDGETING IMPLICATIONS OF HAVING VIRTUAL, YOU KNOW, UH, ON, ON VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
AND, AND FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL, APPARENTLY LOU USES A DIFFERENT SOFTWARE FOR THEIR MEETINGS.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE SAME SOFTWARE ACROSS ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND THEN, AND THEN HAVE MORE STANDARDIZATION AND MORE, UH, HAVE THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY AND CAPABILITIES.
AND I THINK FROM A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE AND, YOU KNOW, SOFTWARE, AND IT WAS MY BACKGROUND.
SO I UNDERSTAND HAVING ONE SOFTWARE PACKAGE THAT DOES, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO FOR THE ENTIRE ENTERPRISE, NOT HAVING EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR DIFFERENT VERSION OF THAT.
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF IMPLICATIONS AND COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO I THINK IF WE CAN GET ON A, ON A STANDARD, UH, VIRTUAL MEETING PLATFORM FOR ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND, AND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT THAT COULD, THAT COULD HELP US.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS ITEM UP AND, AND CARE.
I KNEW WE HAVE AN AGENDA FOR ITEM B ONE.
I THINK WE IS ON THE AGENDA AND THAT'S NOT ON OUR MAIN AGENDA, BUT THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TOO.
YES, THE ONION CREEK, UM, OR THE, THE WORKING GROUP.
AND, UM, SO LET ME SEE, UM, COMMISSIONER GARY AND COMMISSIONER DENTLER.
UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, UM, FOR WORKING WITH THE RESIDENT AT OUR LAST MEETING, IN BEING FLEXIBLE.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IF IT'S A PERSON THAT THEY'VE EVER PARTICIPATED IN THIS TYPE OF PROCESS THAT WE'D BE PATIENT WITH THEM.
UM, I CAN VOUCH FOR THE HARD WORK THAT ANDREW DOES IN, UM, WINDY DUDE, BECAUSE I, AS SOME OF, YOU KNOW, I AM ON A CONTACT TEAM.
I'M USUALLY THE ONE THAT DOES SPEAK BEFORE, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND IT'S IMPRESSIVE THE WORK THAT ANDREW PUTS INTO THIS AND HOW ORDERLY IT IS.
UM, AND I DON'T HAVE TO BE WAITING, YOU KNOW, TH THOSE CASES CAN BE, IT CAN BE THREE HOURS INTO THE MEETING BEFORE THAT CASES FOR, IN A LIFE, THE WAY THAT ANDREW HAS SET IT UP.
SO THAT 15 MINUTES BEFORE YOU'RE SCHEDULED TO YOUR THESIS IS GOING TO COME.
SHE ISLAMICALLY OUR CASE MANAGER FOR THE CASES IN SOUTHEAST AUSTIN.
AND SHE DOES GIVE US THE NAMES, BUT I HAVE LEARNED TO LOOK FOR THAT NOTICE, I ALREADY KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND WHAT IS EXPECTED OF ME FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS.
UM, BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE IF IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S BRAND NEW IS KIND OF LIKE A
AND SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL, UM, WORKING WITH A RESIDENT IN MY DISTRICT.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY GIVE A LOT OF KUDOS TO, UM, THE STAFF AND ESPECIALLY TO ANDREW, I KNOW I'D PROBABLY DRIVE THEM CRAZY BECAUSE I'M LIKE, DID YOU GET MY, MY CONFIRMATION? I REGISTERED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT ME DOWN.
SO PROBABLY ADD TO HIS STRESS.
SO I APOLOGIZE, ANDREW, BUT, UM, YEAH, I JUST SAID WELL DONE.
UM, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ALSO TO FLEXIBILITY, BUT I DO NOT IN ANY WAY.
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NOT, I DO TOTALLY, TOTALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THE STAFF ARE DOING.UM, IN LIGHT OF COVID THE QUICK ADJUSTMENT THAT WE HAD TO DO, UM, TO MAKE THINGS WORK AND TO ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO BE HEARD.
AND I THINK ULTIMATELY SO IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND KNOW.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER DANCLER, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
YOU CAN MAKE COMMISSIONER DINKLER WOULD THAT HEATHER, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? UM, THIS WAS HELPFUL FOR ME, UM, BECAUSE, UH, AND I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD SO FEW HICCUPS, UM, THAT ALL OF THESE PROCESSES ARE, UH, BEING CAREFULLY LAID OUT AND OVERLAYED BY CASE MANAGERS WHO ALSO TRY TO NOTIFY PARTIES.
I, I CAN SPEAK TO WENDY'S INVOLVEMENT WITH THAT.
I DO THINK WE HAVE TO, AS A GROUP, TRY TO ENCOURAGE A HUNDRED PERCENT, YOU KNOW, CONFUSED FUSIONS AND IT'S, IT'S A GOAL.
UH, I KNOW IT CAN'T ALWAYS BE ATTAINED.
UM, I KNOW HAVING GOTTEN NOTICES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I USED TO BE A, ON A NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING COMMITTEE AND SHARED IT YEARS AND YEARS AGO, MY NOSE WOULD GO TO A PO BOX.
AND VERY OFTEN I WOULDN'T GET THE NOTICE OF THE HEARING UNTIL MAYBE A DAY OR, UM, BEFORE, OR YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO READS AN EMAIL AND DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UM, OR YOU HAVE A LANGUAGE ISSUE OR WORSE.
YOU HAVE SOMEONE HEAR ABOUT THE CASE WHO, UM, MAY HAVE BEEN ON VACATION AND CALLS AT THREE O'CLOCK ON A MONDAY, AND COULD HAVE BEEN A PERSON WHO, UH, HAD EXTRA RIGHTS IN TERMS OF, UM, PETITION RIGHTS.
UM, SO I HOPE WE CAN FIND SOME FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITH FOLKS THAT AREN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS.
AND I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER BRAY HAD GREAT SUGGESTIONS, UM, SORRY.
THAT WAS MY SON, UM, WHERE MAYBE WE DON'T SPEND AS MUCH TIME ON THE APPLICANTS WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, BUT SPEND MORE TIME WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE NEWER, UM, MAYBE GETTING ASSISTANCE FROM ELSEWHERE.
I'M THE WORST ABOUT GETTING QUESTIONS IN, UM, UH, EARLY.
AND I'M GOING TO DO MY PART ON THAT.
MAYBE THE MINUTES CAN BE, UM, DONE AN HOUR EARLIER.
UM, JUST SOME WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO IMPROVE IT FROM 99% GREAT TO A HUNDRED PERCENT PERFECT, BUT MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'RE DOING, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS ISN'T EASY.
UH, FOR EVERYTHING Y'ALL ARE DOING ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND IT DOESN'T.
YEAH, WELL, COMMISSIONER BRAY, I KNOW PEOPLE GOT THEIR HANDS UP, SO COMMISSIONER.
I DID NOT APPRECIATE HOW MUCH WORK GOES INTO, YOU KNOW, CALLING PEOPLE TO SET THEM AHEAD OF TIME.
AND I THINK THE SYSTEM YOU HAVE WHERE YOU'RE TELLING PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME, EVEN IN NOT MAKING THEM LISTEN THE WHOLE TIME, I THINK THAT'S REALLY GREAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT 15 MINUTES, MINUTES THING, YOU KNOW, UH, I WOULD ASSUME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON THE LINE FULL TIME.
SO, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE.
UM, I, I DO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE COMMUNICATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, HAVING STAFF THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND HAVING ENOUGH TIME.
UM, I DO THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT DELAYS IN THE PROCESS, AREN'T MINOR TO PEOPLE TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING, UH, YOU COULD BE ADDING, YOU KNOW, BACK OF THE NAPKIN, OH, A WEEK COULD BE ON A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.
YOU COULD BE ADDING A THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO THE CUSTOMER PROJECT.
A COUPLE OF WEEKS DELAY IS NOT MINOR, UM, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.
AND WHEN WE, AS A OVERALL CITY, UM, HAVE PROCESSES THAT DELAY THINGS WEEKS AND MONTHS PASSED WITH A COULD BE, UM, THAT'S ADDING TO THE COST OF HOUSING, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, AND SO WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT A TWO WEEK DELAY IS NOT LIKE SOMETHING TO PEOPLE ON OFF FOR, IN MANY CASES.
UM, AND SO WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO HAVE WIN-WIN WINS HERE, UM, THAT DON'T HAVE TOO MANY DELAYS THAT ALLOW EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE THAT MAKE IT PRACTICAL FOR STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE INVOLVED.
UM, SO, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD BE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TALK ABOUT IS WAYS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T SIGN UP IN TIME, UM, WHAT CAN WE DO TO STILL GET THEIR TESTIMONY
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IN A WAY, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I JUST THOUGHT OF IS LIKE, IF THEY'VE SENT IN A THREE-MINUTE RECORDING, I KNOW THAT MIGHT NOT BE FEASIBLE FOR EVERYONE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SIMPLER THAN HAVING THEM HAVING TO CALL IN WHERE ANDREW COULD PLAY A THREE-MINUTE RECORDING OR HOW TO SAY, OKAY, YOU DIDN'T SIGN UP IN TIME, BUT CAN YOU EMAIL THE COMMISSION WITH THEIR COMMENTS? MAYBE, NO, GIVE US A MINUTE OR TWO TO READ SOMEONE'S EMAIL SOMETHING WHERE IT'S NOT THE QUESTION, SOMETHING BETWEEN LIKE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY SPEAKING, BEING ABLE TO CALL IT IN IS THE BEST THING, BUT NOT, THEY DON'T GET ANY SAY AT ALL VERSUS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING BETWEEN THE TWO EXTREMES.LIKE THEY'RE NOT EXTREMELY INTERESTING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT'S AT LEAST HALF MAKING UP FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO CALL IT CHAIR COM MICHELLE HE'S ON ANDROID THAT, UH, YES.
SO, UM, THAT DOES, UM, REMIND ME THAT, UM, IF A INDIVIDUAL DOES MISS THE DEADLINE, THEY ARE ENCOURAGED TO SUBMIT, UM, WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION TO THE COMMISSION AND THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDED THE COUNCIL DATE OF THE NEXT PUBLIC HERE.
AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANDREW, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION HAS JUST CHANGED RADICALLY WITH COVID.
AND INSTEAD OF PEOPLE WALKING UP TO YOUR DESK, ONE, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU JUST SIGN THEM IN AND FILL OUT A CARD.
THEY FEEL THAT YOU HELPED THEM FILL OUT A CARD.
WE'RE NOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH TECHNICAL ISSUES AND HAVEN'T MAKING AN, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO REPEAT AD NAUSEUM, YOU KNOW, STAR SIX.
AND SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S JUST BECOME REALLY TOUGH.
AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT I THINK THAT, AND IT'S WAY ABOVE YOUR PAY GRADE, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD LOOK AT STAFFING ISSUES FOR THESE ONLINE MEETINGS, BECAUSE YOU ARE HANDLING YOUR MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS ARE CRAZIER THAN THEY WERE UNDER PRE COVID.
AND, UM, IF I COULD WAVE A MAGIC WAND, I WOULD, I WOULD HIRE ANOTHER PERSON TO HELP YOU, LIKE FROM FRIDAY THROUGH THE MEETING, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH SO MANY ISSUES.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BEYOND THAT, BUT, UM, AND I DON'T HAVE A MAGIC WAND, BUT I THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL.
AND IF WE COULD COME UP WITH CONCRETE SOLUTIONS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S ALMOST, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY, UH, IT'S A FUNDING AND STAFFING ISSUE BECAUSE YOUR JOB IS JUST SO DIFFERENT.
YOU CAN RESPOND, YOU CAN SAY YEAH.
PUT IN FOR ANOTHER PERSON, ANDREW, AND IF NOT, UM, BUT SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OUTLINING IT AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THE JOB THAT YOU'RE DOING.
CAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY HARD.
SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR WE CAN GO ONTO THE OKAY.
I JUST WENT AND GOT MY BALLOON.
UH, NO, I JUST WANT TO SECOND EVERYTHING YOU ALL HAVE BEEN SAYING BECAUSE, UH, AND ESPECIALLY HERE AT THE END, BECAUSE YOU'RE COMMENTED, RIGHT? IT'S ABOVE YOUR PAY GRADE.
NONE OF THESE COMMENTS SHOULD BE, UH, TAKEN NEGATIVELY BY STAFF.
UH, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS UP THE CHAIN.
I DON'T THINK ENOUGH, UH, PRIORITY IS BEING PUT ON THIS AREA CITY WIDE.
I THINK THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO LISTEN AND HE NEEDS TO FILTER DOWN.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDING.
LIKE YOU SAID, THERE NEEDS TO BE STAFFING.
I MEAN, I THINK I READ IN THE PAPER IN THIS PAST WEEK, UH, THAT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE GOT SLAPPED BECAUSE WE WERE MISUSING PAGERS.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT A PAGER IN ABOUT TWO DECADES.
I MEAN, WE'RE LIVING IN THE PAST AND AUSTIN IS, YOU KNOW, WE GO ROUND WITH SOME, OUR CHEST AND WE'D SAY, OH, WE'RE NUMBER ONE, INVEST.
WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN THAT I WAS THINKING THIS PAST WEEK.
I REMEMBER WHEN I MOVED BACK HERE IN 84, I WAS SO EXCITED TO BE COMING HOME.
UH, I WAS DOWN IN FLORIDA FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS.
AND WHEN I CAME BACK, I SAID, I'M COMING BACK REAL PROGRESSIVE TOWN.
AND THIS WAS BEFORE DELL, BUT IT WAS IBM AND TEXAS ESTIMATES WHERE I CAME IN AND MY PLANNING STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMPUTERS.
I MEAN, WHERE WERE WE? WE LAG BEHIND AND STARTED THESE IMPORTANT AREAS.
AND IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK
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I LIKED WHAT I, I DON'T KNOW IF I INTERPRETED IT RIGHT.COMMISSIONER RAY SAID, UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE BEING FILTERED DOWN DIRECTIVES TO THE STAFF.
THE STAFF FEELS LIKE THEY'RE COMPELLED TO FOLLOW AND THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT ENCOURAGED TO BE INNOVATIVE AND PROGRESSIVE.
AND GIVEN THE TOOLS AND THE RESOURCES TO MOVE FORWARD.
THE, FOR EXAMPLE, CUSTOMER SERVICE IS POUNDED IN THEIR HEAD THAT THE DEVELOPER IS THE CUSTOMER.
THE CUSTOMER MEAN THE PUBLIC USE OF CUSTOMER.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE OBVIOUSLY, THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO BE TREATED BY
SO THEY DON'T GET INTO A MEYER AND LOSE A LOT OF MONEY OVER TIME.
I MEAN, YOU CAN TELL THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE LIVED WITH FOR 60 YEARS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT IT REALLY BUGS THE HELL OUT OF ME.
THEN IN MY HOMETOWN WITH, WITH KNOW, I SEE EVERY DAY I SAID, WE'RE AT THE TOP OF ANOTHER LIST.
WE NEED TO BE A TOP OF THIS LIST.
AND WE NEED FOR EVERYBODY TO FEEL, WE TALK ABOUT INCLUSIVITY.
AND SOMEBODY ON A SLAP, SOMEBODY AROUND IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND TELL THEM, YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB, THAT YOU ARE NOT.
I SPENT IN SPITE OF THAT BECAUSE I KNOW HE HAD NEVER MANAGED THE CITY BEFORE HE CAME TO AUSTIN, WHICH WAS A MISTAKE, BUT THAT WAS THE CITY'S COUNCIL FAKE.
BUT I THINK THAT HE'S GOT PEOPLE WHO WILL MOVE US FORWARD.
MY WIFE JUST BROUGHT ME A SANDWICH, A NON STARVING, AND I'M HUNGRY AND I'M THIRSTY.
AND THIS IS HOW I GET WITH THIS IS HAPPENING.
SO I LIVE ON, WE WILL, WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE WORKING GROUP UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS TO REALLY, UM, AND THAT SANDWICH LOOKS GOOD.
DON'T PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T EITHER.
BUT, UM, WHY DON'T WE GO ON TO SEEK ONE? AND THAT IS COMMISSIONER IS A GEARY AND DANCLER, AND I WILL LET YOU TAKE IT AWAY AND OKAY.
SO OUR RIGHT, SO OUR WORKING GROUPS CAME UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS.
AND WHEN WE COMING UP WITH THOSE QUESTIONS, WE REALIZE THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE STAFF TIME.
AND THOSE WERE SENT IN THE BACKUP.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER ALL OF THOSE AND THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL LESS, BUT BASICALLY WE NEED APPROVAL FROM THIS COMMISSION TO FORWARD THOSE QUESTIONS THROUGH ANDREW, TO THE APPROPRIATE STAFF, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE STAFF TIME TO THEM TO RESPOND TO OUR QUESTIONS.
AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE LOCALIZED LEARNING, NOT ONLY ALONG, UM, UM, A NEW CREEK, BUT ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND IS THERE ANYTHING I'M MISSING? UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, DINKLER KING AND SMITH, UM, ARE IN NETWORK GROUP.
SO WE JUST NEED PERMISSION FROM THIS COMMISSION TO DO THAT AND NOT HEARING ANYTHING.
I SO MOVED SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND THAT, UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY UPDATES ON, UM, WELL FIRST IS THERE ANY, ANY NEW BUSINESS
[D. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT, FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? AND IF NOT THEN ANY, UH,[E. COMMITTEE REPORTS & WORKING GROUPS]
COMMITTEE REPORTS OR, UM, JOINT COMMISSION REPORTS, UH, COMMISSIONER EVANS COMP PLAN COMMITTEE WILL, UH, MEET THE WEEK OF FEBRUARY THE 15TH.AND ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, WE WILL BE ADJOURNED AND COMMISSIONER DUNCAN CAN EAT HIS SANDWICH AND PEACE.
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