* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:08] FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ON THE LINE WAITING, WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS OF BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF AND WE'LL START THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE WILL TAKE ALL SPEAKERS FOR ALL CASES IN THE ORDER THAT THEY APPEAR ON OUR AGENDA BEFORE REVIEWING THE CASES AND, UM, HAVING THE PRESENTATIONS AND MAKING, UM, UM, DISCUSSING THEM AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU MAY FIND THE AGENDA ON THE HISTORIC LANDMARK HOMEPAGE. GO TO VIEW AGENDAS AND PULL UP THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING FOR JANUARY 25TH, 2021 STAFF. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR CITIZENS COMMUNICATION, MADAM CHAIR, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED FOR CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. OUR FIRST ITEM APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. UM, WE ARE NOT GOING, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OFFERED FOR CONSENT. THAT WILL BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER HAIM. SETH, WILL YOU TAKE ROLL? THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU, JERRY MYERS. I'M THE CHAIRMAN. BEN-HAIM SET VICE CHAIR. I'M HERE WITH FEATHERSTON. MATTHEW, JACOB. I SAW HIM. KEVIN COOK. NOT YET. KELLY LIDL. I'M HERE. TREY MCWHORTER. I SEE YOU ALEX. ARE YOU HERE? BLAKE TELE WILL NOT BE WITH US THIS EVENING. THAT'S VALANZUELA AND CAROLINE, RIGHT? OKAY. THERE YOU ARE. COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON AND COMMISSIONER POP-UPS CELIA, AND WE'RE EXPECTING COMMISSIONER COOK IN A MINUTE. WE HAVE NO BRIEFINGS OR PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT. EXCUSE ME, ELIZABETH. WE PULLED THE MINUTES FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THEM NOW OR COME UP WHEN THEY, UM, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE ITEMS, LET'S DISCUSS THEM WHEN WE GET TO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS AS THE FIRST. OKAY. [Consent Agenda:B2, C1, C3, C6, C7, C9 - C11, C13, D1, D3, D5, D6, D8, D11, D12, D14, E1, F1 (Part 1 of 2)] UNDER ITEM THREE, PUBLIC HEARINGS, LETTER A IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC ZONING. THE ONLY ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS HISTORIC ZONING CASE HDP 2020 ZERO FOUR NINE FOUR, THE KENNETH AND MILDRED THREADGILL HOUSE. THIS WAS OFFERED FOR CONSENT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION. UH, WE HAVE INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING, BUT IT, UM, WE'LL HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING UNDER ITEM B DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS B ONE, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT. THE TWO IS THE OFFER FOR CONSENT APPROVAL. AND FOR THOSE APPLICANTS AND AGENTS WHO ARE ON THE LINE, IF AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN OFFERED FOR CONSENT, PLEASE LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS UNDER THE COMMITTEE REVIEW AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. IF AN ITEM HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION, YOU WILL NEED TO PREPARE A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, WHICH CONTAINS A NARRATIVE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALL, UH, ELEVATIONS AND A SKETCH PLAN ON YOUR BEAT TO ONE 21 LAUREL LANE AND ALBRIDGE PLACE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. THE THREE 38 OH FIVE AVENUE H IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT APPROVAL WITH STAFF TO, [00:05:02] UM, APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. IF THE APPLICANT, UH, CONFORMS TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ITEMS WE HAVE. AND UNDER LETTER B UNDER C DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS WITHIN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT C ONE 1406 WEST 29TH STREET WAS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. BUT I WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON ITEMS C1. OKAY. THEN THAT'S OFFERED FOR CONSENT BY ITEM C TO THE FIESTA GARDENS EQUITATION AT 2101, JESSE, UM, SEGOVIA STREET, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONE C3 16, 15 WATERSTON AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. UNLESS THERE'S A SPEAKER HERE TO ADDRESS THAT ITEM HEARING NONE. WE GO ON TO C4 15, 17 MARIE LANE. THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. IT IS NOT ON OUR DESK. MADAM CHAIR. YES. THIS IS AN APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT. UH, WE RECEIVED THE REQUEST AFTER THE AGENDA WAS POSTED FOR, UM, MURRAY LANE. RIGHT? OKAY. THEN THIS IS, THIS WILL, UM, BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE, UH, POSTPONEMENT AGENDA. AND THAT'S AN APPLICANT RE REQUEST. YES. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOME EXTRA TIME TO EVALUATE SOME ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION. OKAY, GOOD. 15, 10 PHARMA POLOMA PLAZA. THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. C6 SEVEN 24 PATTERSON AVENUE. OUR AGENDA SAYS IT'S IN THE OLD WEST AUSTIN, A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT'S IN THE WESTLINE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEMS, SEEK SEVEN 32 OH SEVEN FUNSTON STREET IS OFFERED PER CONSENT. UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM ITEM C EIGHT, 1504 WESTOVER STAFF HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT, UH, MADAM CHAIR. UH, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE GOT INFORMATION AFTER THE AGENDA WAS POSTED. UM, WE RECEIVED ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM THE OWNER, UM, WHICH IS NOW POSTED AND YELLS BACK UP TO PROCEED WITH THIS ITEM AS A DISCUSSION. OKAY. THIS'LL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM THEN ITEMS SEEING NINE 30, TWO OH FIVE FUNDS DONE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM C 10 30 TO 12. GLENVIEW IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. SEE, 11 TWENTY-FIVE TWENTY-FIVE HARTFORD ROAD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. C 12 TO 23 EAST SIXTH STREET IS A DISCUSSION ITEM C 1316, 16 NORTHUMBERLAND ROAD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. YES, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I MAY NOT WANT TO PULL IT, BUT, UM, THE PHOTOGRAPH SUGGESTS THAT DEMOLITION HAS ALREADY STARTED. IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW, STAMP, UH, COMMISSIONER, THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED FOR A PARTIAL DEMOLITION BACK IN 2020. UM, SO THAT BEGAN AND, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE DURING THE COURSE OF THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, ENCOUNTERED SOME PROBLEMS THAT, UH, TURNED OUT TO, UH, REQUIRE THEM TO ASK FOR A TOTAL DEMOLITION ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. SHOULD WE PULL THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? I'M GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CASE. I JUST WAS CONCERNED, SLIPPING UNDERNEATH THEM, GOING ON TO SECTION DEAN DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION. 1402 DRAKE AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT CHAIR. UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF PAULA KAUFMANN IS [00:10:01] ON THE LINE AND IF SO, SHE COULD CLARIFY WHICH OF THE CASES THAT SHE'S WANTING TO SPEAK ON. OKAY. MS. KAUFMAN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE TONIGHT? HOLOCAUST GOING ON TWO 56, 13 PATTON RANCH ROAD. THIS ITEM, THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR A POSTPONEMENT SEVEN OH SEVEN WEST MARY STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. THE NEXT ITEM D FOUR IS SEVEN 11 WAS MARY. IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF. NO ACTION IS REQUIRED. THE FIVE, FIVE 18 EAST 40TH STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM D SIX, SEVEN OH TWO. KEYS B STREET AS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. 1601 BRECKINRIDGE STREET IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. D EIGHT 34 OH TWO MOUNTAIN VANILLA DRIVE IS THE OFFERED FOR CONSENT. UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM. OKAY. ITEM D NINE 28 OH THREE BONNIE ROAD. THIS WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. I BELIEVE THERE'S SOMEONE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE. ITEM D 10 1904 MOUNTAIN VIEW ROAD WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. 11 1609. ALTAVISTA IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. D 12 3003 EAST 18TH STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM D 13 2206 SOUTH THIRD STREET HAS BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF. NO ACTION IS REQUIRED. ITEM D 14, 1207. TAYLOR STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT OTHER THAN A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT EVEN ONE 1801 GNOMES DRIVE, THE SEABORN SNEAD HOUSE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT OR APPROVAL TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE ON OUR AGENDA. THERE ARE NO NEW UPDATES ITEM F DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR TAX ABATEMENT FOR REBOOT ABILITATION OF THE PROPERTY AND A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AT THREE OH FIVE WEST 45TH STREET, THAT'S OFFERED FOR CONSENT. AND WE HAVE UNDER THAT SECTION FOR COMMISSION AND STAFF ITEMS. THESE ARE NOT ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE'LL GET TO THOSE AT THE END OF THE, AT THE MEETING. CAN STAFF READ BACK TO THE ITEMS OFFERED FOR CONSENT? CERTAINLY WE HAVE ITEMS. LET ME SEE. LET ME GET TO THE FIRST ONE. THE TWO. YES, I APOLOGIZE. I GOT MY PAGES OUT OF ORDER. WE HAVE, UM, ITEM B TWO ITEM B3 ITEMS, C1 ITEMS, C3 ITEM C SIX C SEVEN C NINE, C 10, C 11, C 13 D ONE D THREE D FIVE D EIGHT, D 11, D 12, D 14. AND THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT BETH ELLEN SUELA MADE THE MOTION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? OKAY. UH, KELLY LIBERALS SECONDS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE APPROVING [00:15:01] THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE SAY AYE, OR RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED THE ITEM, THE MOTION CARRIES COMMISSIONER COOK HAS JOINED US, [Postponed Items: B1, C2, C4, C8, D2] AND THEN WE HAD SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE POSTPONEMENT AGENDA STAFF. DO YOU HAVE THOSE? YES. JUST A MOMENT. WE HAVE ITEM B ONE ITEM C TWO ITEMS, C FOUR, UH, WHICH I SHOULD NOTE ON ITEM C4. WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT AND MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON THE LINE. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE NECESSARILY WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS POSTPONEMENT, BUT WE MAY WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, SHOULD WE PULL IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MEAN, FROM THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT, UM, LET'S SEE. AND JUST A MOMENT, IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THAT, IS THERE SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON 15, 17 MARIE LANEY? THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE POSTPONEMENT. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING. OKAY. THANK YOU, MS. SENATE. UH, WE'VE ALSO HAD A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT TO PULL ITEM B3 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, BY THE COUNCIL. OKAY. THAT'S 38 OH FIVE AVENUE H THEY DON'T WANT TO GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONER SET. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHY DON'T WE FINISH THE POSTPONEMENT CONSENTS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO RESEND THAT MOTION IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE, MAYBE WE'LL FIGURE OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT. UM, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. LET'S GO, LET'S CONTINUE THROUGH THE POSTPONEMENT AGENDA AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE CIN SENATE AGENDA AGAIN. OKAY. WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE ON, UM, FOR POSTPONEMENTS? WE HAVE IDD TOO, AND I BELIEVE THAT MAY BE OUR LAST ONE. THAT'S THE LAST ONE. OKAY. OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE POSTPONEMENT AGENDA? MADAM CHAIR, POSTPONEMENT AGENDA. I HAVE A COUPLE OTHERS HERE. OKAY. LET ME GO BACK. UM, THE FIRST ITEM I HAVE FOR POSTPONEMENT IS ITEM THE JACKSON, NO V KELLY, WHO HE HAS, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THOSE FUNDS. UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS C2. I BELIEVE FIESTA GARDENS ON THE C4, 15, 17 MURRAY LANE. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT EIGHT. I'M SORRY. OH, WE HAD CA UH, THE STAFF REQUESTED BILL'S FILE, BUT NOW WE HAVE, UH, WE ARE NOT PUTTING THAT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DISCUSS IT. OKAY. CHECKING ITEM TWO 56, 13 PATTON RANCH ROAD. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT MY AGENDA. SO MOVED. THAT WAS COMMISSIONER COOK SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, UH, MCWHORTER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE POSTPONEMENT, PASSING THE POSTPONEMENT AGENDA. RAISE YOUR HANDS. ANY OPPOSED? NONE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. WELL [Consent Agenda:B2, C1, C3, C6, C7, C9 - C11, C13, D1, D3, D5, D6, D8, D11, D12, D14, E1, F1 (Part 2 of 2)] GO BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND APPARENTLY THE APPLICANT WANTED TO REMOVE THEIR APPLICATION B3 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, SO YES. UM, CAN WE GET A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF? IS, IS THE APPLICANT AWARE THAT THE CONSENT WAS [00:20:01] APPROVING WHAT THEY HAD APPLIED? THAT IF IT'S OFF THE AGENDA, ARE THEY OPPOSING THEIR OWN APPLICATION? THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS A SPECIFIC ASPECT OF THAT APPLICATION AND HAVE JUST EMAILED US TO THAT EFFECT. SO THEY WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE IT AS PART OF THAT. SO THEY WOULD LIKE US TO DISCUSS IT AS A RESULT. CORRECT? I AM NOT CERTAIN WHAT WE NEED TO DO SINCE WE HAVE ALREADY PASSED THAT MOTION. WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO VOID THE ORIGINAL MOTION, AND THEN WE NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. SANDS, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION COMMISSIONER I'M SETH I'LL MOVE TO RESCIND THE PREVIOUS MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA OF APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND COMMISSIONER? RIGHT. SECOND, THE MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RESENDING, THE ORIGINAL MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED IT'S UNANIMOUS. WE HAVE NOW PRESENTED THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND YES, APPROVED. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE PREVIOUSLY LISTED CONSENT AGENDA, EXCEPT FOR THE REMOVAL OF ITEM IT'S B3. IS THAT CORRECT? SO MY MOTION WOULD BE ALL OF THE PREVIOUS WILL BE INCLUDED EXCEPT FOR B3. THAT'S CORRECT. AND B3 WILL THEN BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. OKAY. UM, DO I HEAR A SECOND TO THAT MOTION SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VILLAINS. SUELA ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE NEW CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED IT'S UNANIMOUS. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS BATHS. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER COOK. YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IT, BUT YOU'RE IN THE DARK. YES. I'M HAVING SOME COMPUTER ISSUES AND I'LL BE TRYING TO FIX IT FOR NOW. CONSIDER ME A REMBRANDT PAINTING. THAT'S EXCELLENT. OKAY. I MEAN, DO YOU MEAN JUST NOW OR ALWAYS? WELL, HE COULD BE A RENAISSANCE MAN OF THAT. UM, LET'S [1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] GO BACK NOW. THE FIRST ITEM, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 14, 20, 20, WE PULLED THAT. YES. COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA. DO WE NEED TO, UM, APPROVE THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENTS? DID WE HAVE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENTS? YES. THERE, THERE ARE NO DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENTS, NO DISCUSSION. OKAY. UM, STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UM, DISCUSSED THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING? YES, CERTAINLY AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, WE HAD TWO VOTES TAKEN FOR THE DELTA KAPPA GAMMA BUILDING. UH, THE FIRST VOTE PASSED BY, UM, EIGHT WITH TWO ABSTENTIONS TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING AND TO FORWARD THAT RECOMMENDATION ONTO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THAT, UH, DID NOT HAVE THE SUPER MAJORITY THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. UM, EITHER PLANNING, COMMISSION OR HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MUST PASS WITH THE SUPER MAJORITY FOR IT TO REACH COUNCIL OVER OWNER OBJECTION. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE AN, AN ERROR RELATIVE TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER THAT RENDERS THAT SECOND VOTE AND VALID ONLY THE FIRST VOTE STANDS. SO WE HAD A VOTE OF EIGHT ZERO TWO, THEN IT WAS RETAKEN, UH, WITH A VOTE OF NINE ZERO ONE. UM, BUT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE ORIGINAL VOTE AND TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION TO RECONSIDER ONLY THE FIRST VOTE IS CONSIDERED VALID. UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE, UM, TAKEAWAYS HERE THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION IS AWARE OF. UM, ONE IS, IS JUST THAT PROCEDURAL ASPECT TO THAT ANY TIME, UH, THAT WE HAVE EMOTION THAT FAILS OR EMOTION THAT FAILS TO REACH A SUPER MAJORITY. AND THERE'S A DESIRE TO SEE IF ANYONE'S VOTE, CAN CHANGE. WHAT WE NEED IS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FROM THE SIDE THAT DID NOT PREVAIL IN THE VOTE. THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A VOTE ON THAT MOTION TO RECONSIDER, AND THAT HAS THE EFFECT OF WIPING AWAY THE INITIAL VOTE AND STARTING OVER, UM, DELIBERATION AND THE VOTE ON THAT CASE. A NEW, UM, [00:25:02] I ALSO WANTED TO URGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THAT THE ROLE OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION IS REALLY TO CONSIDER WHETHER A PROPERTY MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. UH, WE CERTAINLY HAD A VERY COMPELLING CASE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THIS INSTANCE, UH, REGARDING THE HARDSHIP THAT LANDMARK DESIGNATION WOULD HAVE ON THEM. UM, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT IS REALLY OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION. THAT'S SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IF A CASE REACHES THEM. UM, SO IT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ANY, IN ANY CASE LIKE THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A CHANCE, THIS IS A CLEAR CUT INSTANCE, A NATIONAL REGISTER LISTED PROPERTY. IT REALLY IS ONE THAT SHOULD MAKE IT BEFORE COUNCIL. AND UNFORTUNATELY AT THIS POINT IT MAY NOT. SO, UM, I JUST WOULD URGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO REALLY CONSIDER IT IN THEIR INITIAL VOTES. UM, LOOKING STRICTLY AT THE LANDMARK CRITERIA AND DETERMINING HOW THEY WILL VOTE ON A CASE. UH, THE FINAL POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IN THIS REGARD IS THAT IF THERE'S EVER A QUESTION ABOUT PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE AND FOLLOWING ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, WE DO HAVE AN ATTORNEY ON CALL FOR THESE MEETINGS AND THAT RESPONSIBILITY RESTS ON STAFF AS WELL, IF THERE IS EVER, UM, SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UM, STAFF OR THE COMMISSION ARE UNSURE OF, WE SHOULD TABLE DISCUSSION OF THAT ITEM, GET THE ATTORNEY ON THE PHONE AND THEN CIRCLE BACK AND TAKE A VOTE. UM, SO JUST, JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE DELTA KAPPA GAMMA CASE, WE'LL MOVE TO PLANNING COMMISSION TOMORROW WITHOUT A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. UM, ELIZABETH, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, EXPLAIN WHAT STEVE'S TEDESCHI IS PRESENTING TO THE LAMB, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS CASE? CERTAINLY IT'S STILL PROCEEDS TO PLANNING COMMISSION TOMORROW. UM, IT PROCEEDS WITH A SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. OKAY. AND TODAY, WHEN, TODAY, WHEN WE, WHEN WE SPOKE EARLIER, THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME, UM, THERE WAS SOME, IT WASN'T A DISAGREEMENT. IT JUST, UH, AN ISSUE ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTES THE SU SUPER MAJORITY. IS IT THE CASE THAT WE NEED AT NINE VOTES? IT'S A SUPERMAN, IT'S NINE VOTES AS A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE BODY, NOT A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT. SO IT'S AN INCREDIBLY HIGH BAR SET BY STATE LAW. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER HIMSELF. YEAH. UM, I'M I SHOULD'VE THOUGHT OF IT MYSELF. I'M LOOKING BACK AT IT. IT MAKES SENSE. UM, IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE NEEDED TO RESEND OUR MOTION AND THAT, THAT IS A STANDARD IN ROBERT'S RULES THAT, THAT RECENSION CAN ONLY COME FROM SOMEBODY WHO VOTED WITH THE, UM, THE, THE OTHER SIDE. SO ANYWAY, I, I THINK THE ONE THING I WOULD REQUEST THOUGH, IS THAT AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION, EVEN IF IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES THAT, UH, MR AT LEAST COULD NARRATE THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. SO WE WOULD BE PASSING ON OUR VOTE, BUT THEN, UH, HE COULD RELATE THAT THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT FOLLOWUP BOAT. IT TURNS OUT IT WAS NEGATED, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE VOTE IF, IF WE HAD DONE IT. RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. AND STEVE FULLY INTENDS TO DO SO. UM, STEVE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD ON THIS? NO, I THINK WE'VE GOT IT COVERED. UH, AND THAT IS, THAT IS MY PLAN COMMISSIONER HIGH SAPP IS TO RELATE WHAT HAPPENED, UH, AND ALSO TO STRESS THAT BECAUSE THE SUPER MAJORITY WOULD BE REQUIRED AND EITHER THE LANDMARK COMMISSION OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR IT TO GO ON TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL WILL ALSO NEED A SUPER MAJORITY. SO PLANNING ON, UH, MAKING THAT VERY CLEAR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOMORROW NIGHT, RIGHT. BASED ON OUR VOTE. IT'S NOT GOING, THEY'D HAVE TO DO THEIR, THEIR VOTE OR COUNCIL. WON'T HEAR IT. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. WE DID ASK, UM, IF IT NEEDED TO BE RESCINDED AND, UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND TOOK THE VOTE, RIGHT. AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FAILING ON THAT, THAT FALLS ON STAFF SHOULDERS AS WELL. WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON SUGGESTED THAT YOU TABLE AND TAKING THAT TO THE ATTORNEY ON CALL. SO I DO APOLOGIZE THAT WE DID NOT DO THAT GOING ON NOW TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SORT OF STUFF. WE HAVE A ONE FIRST STEP AND ONLY [00:30:01] UP FOR A POSSIBLE ACTION ON HISTORIC LANDMARK CASES. UH, WE HAVE THE KENNETH AND MILDRED THREADGILL HOUSE THAT WE RECEIVED A, UH, PRESENTATION ON IT AT OUR LAST MEETING, THAT STAFF IS GOING TO, UM, ADDRESS IT ONCE AGAIN FOR US TO REFRESH OUR MEMORIES. BEFORE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON MADAM CHAIR, WE NEED TO TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE. UM, SO THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD KNOW WHAT YOU WERE VOTING ON. IT IS NOTED IN THE MINUTES THAT IT WAS A VOTE TAKEN WITHOUT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ENOUGH ABOUT ROBERT'S RULES TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS RELATIVE TO THE TWO VOTES AND ONLY THE FIRST ONE STANDING. THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS REVISED AND EXPLAINED TO US BY STAFF SOMEONE CAROLINE MAKES THE MOTION. DO I HEAR A SECOND COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTONE SECONDS, THE MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES THE MINUTES AS REVISED ARE APPROVED. OKAY. [3A.1. HDP-2020-0494 – Kenneth and Mildred Threadgill House – Offered for Consent Approval (Part 1 of 2)] THANK YOU. AND NEXT IN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, A ONE THE THREAD HOUSE DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE, THERE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING PUBLIC TESTIMONY FIRST? YES, WE ARE. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. I GOT FRAZZLED HERE. YOU WERE READY. I'M I'M READY TO GO FOR THE CASES GUYS, BUT BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THEM, SO THEY WEREN'T JUMPING UP AND DOWN ATTRACTING MY ATTENTION. DO WE HAVE ANYONE TO SPEAK ON ITEM A ONE, THE KENNETH AND MOLDED THREADGILL HOUSE, EITHER IN SIGNED UP IN FAVOR OR AN OPPOSITION HEARING, THEN ANYONE LET'S SEE THAT WAS CONSENT. UM, NOW WE HAVE B3 38 OH FIVE AVENUE AGE. THE APPLICANTS PULLED THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE. UM, IF THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE, PLEASE GIVE YOUR, UM, PRESENTATION. POLYETHER APOLOGIES FOR THE CONFUSION EARLIER. UH, THE REASON WE JUST WANTED TO PULL THIS FROM CONSENT IS JUST TO HAVE ONE, UM, FINAL DISCUSSION AROUND, UM, THE HORIZONTAL SIDING POSSIBILITY UNDERNEATH THE GABLE AND ABOVE THE FREEZE BOARD. UM, UH, FOUND SOME EXAMPLES THAT SHOWED, UM, VARIOUS MATERIALS, UM, ABOVE THE FREEZE BOARD. AND, UM, THESE INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING FROM THIS, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN WITH ASPHALTIC OR STUCCO TYPE OF SIDING TO SHINGLE, TO WATERFALL. AND I EVEN FOUND A HOUSE IN HYDE PARK THAT IS LOCATED ON AVENUE G AT 47 17, UM, WITH WATERFALL SIDING ON IT, ABOVE THE FRIEZE BOARD. AND IT IS AN ALL BRICK HOME, JUST LIKE OUR HOME IS. AND SO I'M JUST, UM, WONDERING IF THIS IS AT ALL A POSSIBILITY FOR US TO STILL CONSIDER. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE'RE UM, WE'RE TAKING THE PUBLIC HEARING UPFRONT AND WE WILL GET TO THAT CASE WHEN WE'RE FINISHED TAKING THE PUBLIC, UM, THE PRESENTATION FROM THE PUBLIC, ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS, THEN WE'LL TAKE UP THE CASES. UM, AND I THINK THAT THIS WAS IN OUR PACKET IN OUR BACKUPS, THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU SHOWED, SO WE CAN CONSIDER THOSE EXAMPLES AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE NEXT ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVE ERICA BONFONTI I, UM, I'M WE'RE THE OWNERS. WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY OTHER THAN THANKS FOR CONSIDERING. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THERE'S UH, JEFF ACTON, UH, I BELIEVE ANOTHER OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING US UP. OKAY. UM, [00:35:01] GOING ON TO ITEM C ONE, LET'S SEE. THAT WAS CONSENT ITEM. UM, NOPE, 15, 17 MURRAY LANE. HAVE WE DECIDED THAT THAT WAS, THAT IT'S POSTPONED, THAT WENT ON THE POSTPONEMENT AGENDA. WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE SPEAKERS FOR THAT CASE. IS THAT CORRECT? [3C.5. GF-20-180133 – 1510 Palma Plaza – Discussion Old West Austin Historic District Council District 9 (Part 1 of 2)] THAT'S CORRECT. I BELIEVE OUR NEXT ITEM IS C5. 15, 10 PALMA PLAZA. MR. JOHN MEYER REGISTERING. YES. I'M HERE. MR. MEYER. YES. YES. GO RIGHT AHEAD. MY NAME IS JOHN MEYER. I AM THE OWNER OF 15, 10 PAMA PLAZA. I HAVE OVER 25 YEARS EXPERIENCE AS A BUILDER GENERAL CONTRACTOR IN SEVERAL CITIES THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHWEST AND SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED SEVERAL PROJECTS LOCATED IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 15, 10 PALMER PLAZA IS A 1,976 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, APPROXIMATELY 100 YEARS OLD. IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, AND IT WAS MORPHED OVER THE YEARS INTO A TRIPLET, THE SMALL TRADITIONAL TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH UNIT, AND TWO SMALL MAKESHIFT EFFICIENCY STUDIOS. IT'S CURRENT CONDITION OF POOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IS VISUALLY EVIDENT EVEN TO THE CASUAL OBSERVER. UH, PLEASE GO TO PAGE THREE OF THE PRESENTATION UPON CLOSER OBSERVATION OBSERVATIONS NOTED BY LOC STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. IT WAS NOT BUILT WELL EVEN FOR ITS TIME. THE WALLS ARE TWO BY FOUR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WAS TYPICAL, BUT THE ROOF STRUCTURE IS ALSO MADE OF TWO BY FOUR JOYCE AND RAFTERS ON 24 INCH CENTERS. SO THE ONE BY 12 FOUR RIDGE BEAM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS NO PURLINS OR OTHER TYPICAL SUPPORT FRAMING USED IN THE ROOF STRUCTURE. THIS IS RESULTED IN SAGGING AND AIDS AND SHIFTING AND OTHER MOVEMENT. WHEN THE WALLS BELOW STARTED THE ROD OUT, THERE WAS NO BAKER VAPOR BARRIER APPLIED TO THE EXTERIOR WALLS PRIOR TO LAUGHING STUCCO. AND THE WINDOWS AND DOOR OPENINGS WERE NOT PROPERLY WATERPROOF WITH EXTERIOR WALLS WERE BUILT AND WHO ARE NOT PANDORA HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY MAINTAINED OR SEALED OVER THE YEAR. THE RESULT IS SUBSTANTIAL ROTTING AND DECAY FROM WATER PENETRATION AND CYCLICAL CONDENSATION. THE DECAYING FRAMING MEMBERS OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS HAVE CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO SAGGING. AND AS A MOVEMENT MADE EVIDENT BY THE NUMEROUS VERTICAL HORIZONTAL DIAGONAL CRACKING STAIN ON THE EXTERIOR WALLS. THE FOUR JOYS FOR TWO BITES PLACED ON FOUR BY FOUR AND FOUR BY SIX BEAMS, WHICH ARE SUPPORTED BY CEDAR STUMPS AND CME BLOCK BASED ON GRADES. THESE ARE UNDERSIZED FOUNDATION MEMBERS. THE RESULT OF THIS POORLY DESIGNED FOUNDATION IS, IS EXCESSIVE SLOPING COMPRESSION AND SETTLING. THIS IS FURTHER EXACERBATED BY THE CONDITION OF THE WALLS AS NOTED PREVIOUSLY, AND VICE VERSA WAS WHERE THE ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING SYSTEMS THEY ARE OUTDATED AND UNSAFE AND WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED ENTIRELY AS POOR EFFICIENCY. THE DOORS AND WINDOWS ARE NOT ENERGY EFFICIENT WOULD NOT MEET CURRENT CODE AND NEED TO, WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED. THIS BUILDING AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW IS POORLY BUILT AS EXCESSIVE DECAY AND ROT, AND IS UNSAFE TO TRY TO SOLVE IT TO ANY PORT. PART OF IT WOULD REQUIRE BUILDING THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING IN ITS ENTIRETY. EVEN IF IT WERE ONLY ONE WALL, PLEASE GO TO PAGE FIVE ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS ON MAY 5TH OH SIX AND 10, 1607. THE CITY OF AUSTIN ISSUED A DEMOLITION PERMITS ON THIS PROPERTY. PHOTOS OF THIS BUILDING CAN BE VIEWED ON PAGES SIX AND SEVEN. IT IS OUR OPINION, THE SAFEST AND MOST WISE COURSE WOULD BE TO DEMO THIS HOUSE AND REPLACE IT WITH A DUDE LIKES WE ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT. I NOW INVITE ALAN COX RAGE, ARCHITECTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE DESIGN AND CHARACTER OF THE NEW DUPLEX WE PROPOSE OF, OF MR. MEYER. UM, MR. MEYER, HAVE YOU EVER WRITTEN OR TESTIFIED ON BEHALF OF RETAINING HIS HISTORIC PROPERTY? UH, SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. I WONDERED IF YOU HAD EVER WRITTEN OR TESTIFIED ON BEHALF OF SAVING A HISTORIC PROPERTY OR RETAINING A HISTORIC PROPERTY? UH, YES, I HAVE. I HAVE WORKED TO RETAIN AND HAVE SUCCESSFULLY RETAINED, UH, SEVERAL HISTORIC PROPERTIES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. HELLO. UH, MY NAME IS ALAN KNOX AND I AM THE ARCHITECT OF 15, 10 PALMER PLAZA. UH, YOU CAN PROBABLY SIT ON SLIDE EIGHT, UH, FOCUSING ON THE RENDERING FOR MY PRESENTATION SLIDES NINE THROUGH 15, OH, WERE INCLUDED IN CASE THERE WERE QUESTIONS AT THE END 15, 10 PALMER PLAZA IS A MULTI-FAMILY ZONE SITE [00:40:01] THAT IS A HIGHLY, HIGHLY RESTRICTED BASED ON CITY REQUIRED, ADJACENT COMPATIBILITY SETBACKS FROM SURROUNDING STRUCTURES. AT THE SAME TIME, THE IMMEDIATE AREA VISIBLE FROM THE PROPERTY IS MADE UP OF A DIVERSE SCALE AND TYPOLOGY OF STRUCTURES, INCLUDING TWO AND THREE STORY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS IN BOTH APARTMENT AND CONVERTED SINGLE-FAMILY STYLES, AS WELL AS ONE AND TWO STORIES, TWO AND A HALF STORY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE EXISTING CITY SUB CHAPTER F AND OTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT FORWARDS MAKE THE ADDITION OF AN ADU AND RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE FINANCIALLY IMPRACTICAL. OUR PROJECT IS DESIGNED TO FIT WITHIN THE DEVICE, DIVERSE MAKEUP OF THESE BUILDING TYPES. IT IS A DUPLEX WITH A TRADITIONALLY STYLED CHARACTER WITH TWO FULL STORIES AND A THIRD LEVEL THAT SITS WITHIN THE PITCH OF WHAT WOULD BE THE ATTIC SPACE OF A TWO-STORY STRUCTURE. THE TWO UNITS OF THE DEVELOPMENT ARE SHIFTED OUT OF PLANE WITH ONE ANOTHER, TO CREATE A STEP TO THE SIDE, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE STREET AND A DETACHED CLIPS GAMBLE CARPORT THAT MAINTAINS THE CURRENT PARKING ACCESS ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE LOT IS SIMILAR, UH, IS A SIMILAR SMALL SCALE TO THE DETACHED STRUCTURE, LIKE THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST NEXT DOOR AT OUR INITIAL MEETING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH WE BELIEVE WAS OVERALL POSITIVE IN NATURE WITH RESPECT TO THE DESIGN, UH, WE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE CHARACTER OF THE FRONT FACADE TO INCORPORATE THE ARC'S COMMENTS, TO INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL CHARACTER, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO THE INCORPORATION OF THE ECLIPSE GERKIN STYLE LABELS AND DETAILING ACCENTS AT THE REQUEST OF THE OLD WEST AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE SCHEDULED A PRESENTATION AND REVIEW WITH THEIR COMMITTEE. PRIOR TO THAT MEETING, WE MADE EFFORTS TO FURTHER SEPARATE THE MASS OF THE TWO UNITS WITH A SINGLE LEVEL GARAGE SO THAT THE TWO SIDES READ MORE LIKE TWO SEPARATE SMALLER STRUCTURES INCREASING THE ACOUSTIC AND PERCEIVED PRIVACY BETWEEN THE TWO UNITS. THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL WAS UPDATED. THE CLAPBOARD SIDING BASED ON A GENERAL SURVEY OF THE STREET AND NEIGHBORHOOD OF BEING THE MOST PREVALENT MATERIAL WITH THE SURROUNDING HOMES IN THE AREA. FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION WITH ALANA, WE INCORPORATED THE REQUESTS FOR MORE DEPTH TO THE FRONT FACADE THROUGH INCORPORATING THE LARGER FRONT PORCH TO THE EAST UNIT. THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS WERE DISCUSSED WITH REGARD TO STUCCO VERSUS CLAPBOARD SIDING. AND OUR TEAM IS OPEN TO WHICHEVER MATERIAL THE COMMITTEE BELIEVES TO BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE JACK MEYER TO SPEAK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JACK MEYER. A PRINCIPLE OF THE OWNER, PLEASE TURN TO SLIDE 16 CODE DEFINES HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION AS THE PROPERTY HAS LONGSTANDING SIGNIFICANT ASSOCIATIONS WITH PERSONS, GROUPS, INSTITUTIONS, BUSINESSES, OR EVENTS OF HISTORIC IMPORTANCE IMPORTANCE, WHICH CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, STATE OR NATION. THE ORIGINAL OWNER HOWARD OSBORNE WORKED IN INSURANCE AND REAL ESTATE. HE CO ON THE INFIELD INSURANCE AGENCY WITH MURRAY AND NILES GRANT, WHILE THE GRANTS WERE KNOWN FOR SOME OF THEIR DEVELOPMENTS, WE FOUND NO INDICATION THAT HOWARD WAS INVOLVED IN THAT PART OF THEIR BUSINESS. PLEASE TURN TO SLIDE. 17. HOWARD WAS THE DEVELOPER AND REAL ESTATE BROKER OF THE SMALL EAST AUSTIN UPLAND EDITION IN THE EARLY FORTIES. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS WHERE MR. OSBORNE'S PAST TURNED INTO SOMETHING WE'D RATHER NOT CELEBRATE. PLEASE TURN TO SLIDE 18 IN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS OF THE APPALLING CONDITION DEVELOPMENT THAT HOWARD DEVELOPED AND MARKETED. IT STATES IN PARAGRAPH F NO PART OF THE PREMISES SHE'LL EVER BE OWNED, HELPFUL, HELD FOR RENTED TO OR OCCUPIED BY ANY PERSON OF AFRICAN DESCENT PROVIDED. HOWEVER, THIS CLAUSE SHALL NOT PREVENT THE EMPLOYMENT OUTSIDE PERSONS AS DOMESTIC SERVANTS AND PROVIDING CUSTOMER ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THEM ONSET PREMISES. CLEARLY, THIS IS NOT A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY, TO THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, STATE OR NATION. PLEASE TURN TO SLIDE. 17 AUGUSTA OSBORN'S HISTORY WAS SIMILARLY INSIGNIFICANT AND UNSAVORY. SHE WAS RELATED TO THE WRENCH, RENFRO DRUGSTORE FAMILY. HOWEVER, SHE ONLY EVER MANAGED A CIRCULATING LIBRARY. AND ONE OF THE AUSTIN DRUG STORES, IT WAS HER BROTHERS ELZA AND JOSEPH, THE GREW THE STORES INTO A MID-SIZE LOCAL DRUGSTORE CHAIN BEFORE SELLING THEM IN THE FORTIES. THERE IS NO HISTORY OF AUGUSTA EVER MANAGING ANY OF THE STORES OR HAVING ANY OWNERSHIP STAKE IN THE STORES. THIS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO HISTORY. AUGUSTA WAS THE RESIDENT MANAGER AT THE AUSTIN COUNTRY CLUB FROM THE MID THIRTIES TO THE EARLY FORTIES IN HER ROLE AS MANAGER, SHE INVOLVED IN CONTROLLING MEMBERSHIP, CONDUCTING DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS AND HOSTING EVENTS FOR AUSTIN'S ELITE. PLEASE TURN TO SLIDE 20. THE AUSTIN COUNTRY CLUB WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1899 AT THE HANCOCK GOLF COURSE AND WAS A PRIVATE SEGREGATED FACILITY UNTIL IT MOVED IN 1951 AS THE MANAGER OF THE SEGREGATED AUSTIN COUNTRY CLUB. DURING THIS TIME, ONE CAN BE CERTAIN THAT AUGUSTA WAS NOT OFFERING MEMBERSHIP, ALLOWING ENTRANCE OR INVITING TO PRIVATE PARTIES, ANY MEMBERS OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, WHILE I GUESS A SMALL ROLE IN THE RENFRO DRUGSTORES DID NOT CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO [00:45:01] HISTORY. IT'S CLEAR THAT ANY CONTRIBUTION SHE MAY HAVE HAD DURING HER TIME MANAGING A SEGREGATED COUNTRY CLUB SHOULD NOT BE REMEMBERED OR CELEBRATED IN ANY WAY. WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THE OSBORNE'S ACTIONS TO DENY FOR THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTED ONLY NEGATIVELY TO THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, STATE, OR NATION. THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT A HISTORY THAT SHOULD BE COMMEMORATED, ESPECIALLY NOT THROUGH THE DILAPIDATED AND MAKESHIFT. TRIFLEX CURRENTLY LOCATED AT 15, 10 PALM PLAZA. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED ALREADY. INSTEAD, WE ALL PLAY A ROLE IN CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL AND APPROPRIATE THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MOVE AUSTIN'S HISTORY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ARE THERE ANY OF THE SPEAKERS ON THIS HEARING? NONE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMENT THAT WELL, I AGREE, AND I'M SURE THAT, UM, THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AGREE THAT THIS IS A DISGRACEFUL, UM, ELEMENT IN OUR PAST. IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THIS PROPERTY, TO THE AUSTIN COUNTRY CLUB OR, UM, MOST CENTRAL CITY NEIGHBORHOODS, THE RESTRICTION, UM, ON THE BASIS OF RACE, THANKFULLY, WE'VE GONE PAST THAT, BUT IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO SUGGEST THAT THIS PROPERTY IS SOLELY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT KIND OF, UH, DISCRIMINATION. CAN WE GO ONTO THE NEXT ITEM? UH, WE HAD, [3C.8. HR-20-181181 – 1504 Westover Road – Staff-requested postponement Old West Austin Historic District Council District 10 (Part 1 of 2)] I BELIEVE THAT CA 1504 WESTOVER ROAD STAFF, UM, HAS SAID THEY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. SO CAN WE GO FOR, UH, DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER ON THAT? THE FIRST SPEAKER WE HAVE IS, UH, GAYDON. OKAY. BRICK WALL. OKAY. OKAY. SO HE'S GO AHEAD. YEAH. YOU JUST GO AHEAD. UM, I, I, UM, YES, WE'RE, WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS PICTURES AND EVERYBODY SAID IT LOOKS WONDERFUL. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, WAS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER OR IS THAT IT? OKAY, SO YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION TO ALLOW, UM, OKAY. OUR NEXT, WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER ON THAT ITEM. WE HAVE SUZANNE MAURICE MARSOC LEAH. OKAY. IS, IS THAT GENTLEMEN HERE ON THE LINE? I THINK THEY BOTH SPOKE, UM, ELIZABETH TWO PEOPLES, BOTH THE OWNER, UM, IS THE APPLICANT FROM, UM, RENEWAL BY ANDERSON ON THE PHONE. OKAY. [3C.12. HR 20-113802 – 223 E. 6th Street – Discussion Sixth Street Historic District Council District 9 (Part 1 of 2)] OUR NEXT ITEM, I BELIEVE IS C 12 AND WE HAVE, UM, CJ ON THE LINE. YES. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND START AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. OKAY, WELL, I'M SORRY ABOUT THIS, BUT WE GOT UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE NEEDED TO PRESENT THIS, BUT WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND I HAVE JUDY ARCHITECTS WITH ME AND WE WERE READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. UH, SO IF YOU HAD ANY MORE QUESTIONS AT AN END, WHAT WE WENT THROUGH, UH, AND, UM, UH, ARCHITECT WITH YOU WHERE WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. THANKS, DANNY. IT MAY BE WORTH GIVING THE SAME PRESENTATION TO THE FULL COMMISSION SINCE NOT ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD HAVE HEARD THAT PRIOR PRESENTATION, RIGHT. HE MIGHT. UM, SIR, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THAT THE OTHER, UM, PERMISSION MEMBERS, OTHER THAN THOSE WHO WERE AT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, MIGHT WANT TO HEAR SOME OF THE ST LAMP POINTS OF YOUR, UM, OF YOUR REVISED, UM, PLANS FOR THIS BUILDING. IF YOU COULD MAYBE JUST, UM, GO OVER SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS, HOW YOU'VE CHANGED PERHAPS EARLIER. I WANT TO TURN THIS OVER TO THE ARCHITECT, UH, JUNIOR RANDALL. YEAH. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD A SECOND LEVEL ROOF DECK TO THE EXISTING ONCE THE REBUILDING, AS WELL AS IT AS A THIRD LEVEL, UM, ACCESSIBLE DECK AS WELL. AND WE WERE STEERED TO REVIEW THE PRESERVATION BRIEF 14 DOCUMENT, I THINK WITH THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY, UH, W WHAT'S INSPIRED OUR PROPOSAL. AND SO WE, THIS WAS, WE WENT THROUGH TWO OR THREE REITERATION WITH THE BOARD [00:50:01] AND FINALLY CAME TO THE, UM, SOLUTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, WHICH REALLY STEPS, EATS LEVEL BACK FROM THE STREET. THIS IS A CORNER PROPERTY THAT FACES SIXTH STREET AND SAN JACINTO. SO WE STEPPED BACK LEVEL TO BEYOND, UM, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS CARE OF IT ON SAN JACINTO. AND WE W WE WENT WELL BEYOND THE FIFTH, THE 15 FOOT SETBACK ON SIXTH STREET. OUR, OUR THIRD LEVEL SITS BACK 62 FEET, AND THE SECOND LEVEL IS 43 FEET. SO IN ESSENCE, IT'S KIND OF A WEDDING CAKE THAT STEERS AWAY FROM SIXTH STREET. SO WE'RE STEPPING THE STRUCTURE BACK TO WHERE THE VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET LEVEL, YOU CAN HARDLY SEE LEVEL THREE. AND SO WE, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED. WE GOT GOOD REVIEWS ON THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS MEETING. AND SO WE REALLY HAVE MADE MODIFICATIONS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AND I THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING ON THIS. UM, WE, UH, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSION, THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT, UM, UH, ONE TO GIVE THE COMMISSION THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE, UH, THE CHANGES TO THE PLANS. YES. COMMISSIONER HIMSELF. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A QUESTION ARCHITECT WHO JUST SPOKE, UM, BECAUSE, UM, I'M HAVING SEEN THE INITIAL, UH, PLANS IN OUR PACKET. I WASN'T AT THE REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT I SEE WHERE YOU WOUND UP. AND I THINK THAT THE SCALE OF THE ADDITION IN PROPORTION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE. SO, UM, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THE FULL PRESENTATION I JUST WAS FOR YOUR PROCESS. CAN YOU TELL ME, UH, SINCE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ALL THE PLAN INFORMATION FOR FULL COMPARISON, ROUGHLY, WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE CHANGE WHEN IT CAME TO THE SPACE THAT YOU WERE HAVING TO, UM, ADJUST? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF ADJUSTMENTS DID YOU DO AND MAYBE ON A PERCENTAGE OR RELATIVE TO THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION? SO I DON'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE, BUT WE WERE PROPOSING THE LEVEL THREE TO BE PULLED OUT TO THE SAME FACADE, PRESENCES LEVEL TWO. SO THE SCALE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE, WASN'T IN PROPORTION AND IT WAS NOT SUBORDINATE. RIGHT? AND SO WE WENT THROUGH EXERCISES TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SCALE THAT BACK AND PAID A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE HUMAN SCALE, LOOKING FROM THE SIDEWALKS AND THE STREETS AND ACROSS THE STREET TO REALLY TAKE THAT THIRD LEVEL AND STEP IT BACK EVEN MORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I KNOW YOU GAVE UP SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE. I HAVE THE FEELING THAT THE EFFECT IS VERY DRAMATIC. WHEREAS THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IS PROBABLY NOT VERY DRAMATIC IF YOU COULD QUANTIFY IT. YEAH. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE, BUT YES, THEY LIKE THE COVERED CONDITIONAL SPACE OF LEVEL THREE REDUCED DRAMATICALLY, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 40% OVERALL OVERALL PACKAGE. IT MAY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN, UH, A SMALLER PERCENTAGE. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. WE TOOK THE VEIL IN A HANDHELD AND ON THAT SECOND FLOOR. AND SO, SO WE WERE, WE WERE ABIDING BY THE 45 FOOT AND ALL THE SETBACKS ON SIXTH STREET. AND YET WE WERE GETTING A LOT MORE FLOOR SPACE, YOU KNOW, FOR MY CLIENT, AS FAR AS LIKE, LIKE IMPROVING HIS PROPERTY. YES. THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE. WE JUST KEPT PUSHING BACK AND PUSHING BACK AND PUSHING BACK TO GET IT APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMITTEE. RIGHT. WHICH IS FINE. WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY WHERE WE ARE. UM, BUT YET LEVEL THREE LEVEL THREE TOOK A HIT AS FAR AS THE AREA IS CONCERNED. YEP. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. MOST OF IT. OKAY. WELL, I APPRECIATE THIS ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WE GET PUSHBACK WHERE FOLKS AREN'T WILLING TO MAKE ANY COMPROMISE OR ADJUSTMENTS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPLETELY ABANDON THE PLAN. I THINK YOU CAN BE VERY CREATIVE AND I, UM, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL SAVE THAT FOR OUR CONVERSATION, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT TOO. [3D.7. PR-20-183612 – 1601 Brackenridge Street – Discussion Council District 9 (Part 1 of 2)] I THINK THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE UP IS D SEVEN 1601 BRECKENRIDGE. IS THAT CORRECT? DO WE HAVE ANYONE TO SPEAK TO THAT ITEM? THAT'S CORRECT. AND OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS RIVER SHORE THIS IN FA DID YOU HAVE MORE TO SAY, OH, NO, I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS SOME [00:55:01] SORT OF CONCLUSION. NO. UM, WE JUST HEARD THE SPEAKERS, ALL OF THE FRONT END IN THIS VIRTUAL MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE DAYS. AND THEN WE WILL, UH, DISCUSS THE, UM, APPLICATIONS AND MAKE A DECISION AFTER ALL THE SPEAKERS ARE HEARD. SORRY. IF I DIDN'T MAKE THAT CLEAR AT THE BEGINNING, DO WE NEED TO REMAIN ON THE LINE? YOU MAY REMAIN ON THE LINE OR NOT, BUT I MEAN, ARE WE GETTING A RESPONSE, I GUESS AFTER THIS MEETING REALLY WE'LL MAKE A RE WE WILL GIVE OUR, UM, MAKE OUR DECISION HERE AT THE MEETING LATER WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE TAKE UP THE CASES, WE'RE JUST HEARING SPEAKERS AT THIS POINT. I KNOW IT SEEMS ODD. OUR SPEAKERS ARE SORT OF DISASSOCIATED FROM THEIR ACTUAL CASE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE PROCEEDING, UM, WITH THE CITY REQUIREMENTS IN THAT SENTENCE. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NOW WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY, OKAY, THEN WE'LL GO ON TO 1601 BRECKINRIDGE STREET AND THE FIRST SPEAKER, STATE YOUR NAME AND PRESENT YOUR CASE. YEAH, MY NAME, MY NAME IS RIVER SHARP. I AM THE OWNER OF 1601 BRACKENRIDGE. I'M REQUESTING A DEMO PERMIT TO DEMO THE STRUCTURE. UM, I HIRED A ENGINEER, GEORGE GONZALES TO DO A STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION AND ROUGH EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY. GEORGIA'S GOING TO BE SPEAKING TONIGHT. SO, AND HE PROVIDED A REPORT TO THE COUNCIL. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO LET GEORGE SPEAK NOW. AND AS YOU ON THE LINE, UH, YES, I AM. TO STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN AND GIVE YOUR CASE. UH, YES, I'M THANKS VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS GEORGE CONSOLER FROM A RESTAURANT, A PROFESSIONAL CIVIL AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE. AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT ON NOVEMBER, I VISITED A JOB SITE, TOOK A RECONNAISSANCE OF THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. AND THEN I CONCUR WITH THE BACKUP MATERIALS THAT THERE IS A CATASTROPHIC FAILURES OF INFORMATION AND THE SEXUAL THING. AND IT IS, UH, UH, IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, WE HAVE A TERM WOULD TERM, UH, WOULD, UH, , UH, PICKS UP SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS. UH, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED AND IT'S ENTIRETY. SO THERE'S PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE THAT ARE, UH, SUFFERED SEVERE DEBT, FORMATION SETTLEMENT, AND BEING OUT OF PLUMBING, UH, WHERE THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD TO, UH, NOT THAT THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE, UH, TO, UH, TO REPAIR OR REPLACE SOME OF THE SETTLEMENTS BY THE ENTIRE WALLS, SECTIONS AND FOUNDATIONS THAT NEED TO BE, UH, UH, REPLACEMENTS ENTIRETY. SO IT'S, IN MY OPINION, THAT IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE TO, UH, I TO PRESERVE, UH, THE STRUCTURE OR, UH, TO, UH, TO, UH, UH, UH, FIX IT IN A, IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER, ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS SO THAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO, UM, TO, UH, REPLACE THE STRUCTURE IN ITS ENTIRETY. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE ENGINEER OR THE APPLICANT? I BELIEVE THIS SCHOOL HAS BEEN USED AS A MONTESSORI OR THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN USED AS A MONTESSORI SCHOOL FOR MANY YEARS. IS THAT CORRECT STAFF OR CAN THEY TEND THE APPLICANTS? TELL ME, UM, OKAY. UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION? WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED IN THE OPPOSITION. IF SHE HAS JOINED THE CALL, PAULA KAUFMANN, PAULA, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND STATE YOUR CASE. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA [3D.9. PR-20-174961 – 2803 Bonnie Road – Offered for Consent Approval Council District 10 (Part 1 of 2)] IS ITEM D NINE. WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS AND OPPOSITION. FIRST WE HAVE MR. TIM VIC, IS THERE NO ONE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? THERE IS NO ONE REGISTERED FROM THE APPLICANT'S TEAM. OKAY. THEN GO AHEAD. UH, [01:00:01] I'M TIM DUDEK. I LIVE, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE TORN. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TORN DOWN. UM, THE LETTER I GOT FROM THE CITY, HE SAID THE OWNER WAS IDENTIFIED THE OWNER, AND I LOOKED UP THE OWNER AND SHE IS ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS IN A RIVER CITY. ROLL-OFF AND SHE'S ALSO COINCIDENTALLY, ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS IN, UH, UH, R J R UH, DEMOLITION. SO IT LOOKS LIKE SHE GOES AND BUYS HOUSES TO TELL THE BALANCE. SHE HAS NO REAL INTEREST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SHE'S NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE. IT'S JUST GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, SHE'S ALREADY SOLD IT TO AN ARCHITECT, UM, AND OUR DEVELOPER. SO I GUESS MY LECTURE IS FIRST, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. IT'S BEEN OCCUPIED. IT'S 85, ALMOST 85 YEARS OLD. SO I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT HISTORIC IF NOTHING ELSE, BECAUSE IT'S THE OLDEST HOUSES IN THE CITY MAYBE. AND I DON'T KNOW. IT'S JUST REALLY, IF IT'S, IF THE DESIGN IS, UH, SO I PUT THIS, BASICALLY, IT'S A TUTOR HOUSE AND I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 35 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN ALL OVER TOWN. SO LOOK, GET HOUSES AND DRIVE AROUND AND STUFF. AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER HOUSE QUITE LIKE THIS BEFORE. SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S FAIRLY UNIQUE. I WASN'T IN CHARGE OUT FOR 35 YEARS OR 30 YEARS. I LIVE IN AUSTIN FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE HAD SOMETHING LIKE 40 OR 50 CHAIR DOWNS IN THIS, IN THIS AREA FOR THE PAST FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS. AND THIS IS BECOME A DISEASE. IF THERE'S ANY HISTORICAL VALUE TO THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS THERE ISN'T MUCH, THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT ANYMORE BECAUSE THE CC'S LETTING PEOPLE BUY PERMITS TO TEAR THINGS DOWN. SO I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND, I GUESS THE PURPOSE OF THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU PAY YOUR MONEY. WE'RE SOME KIND OF FEEDBACK ON THE, UM, RECORDING HERE ON THE AUDIO STAFF. IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE SPEAKERS, UM, FELT HERE, BUT THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK. DID YOU WANT TO KEEP SENDING STUFF? YEAH. I HAVE TO AUSTIN FOR 35 YEARS AND I'VE LIVED IN THIS IN TARRYTOWN FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. AND I'VE SEEN DAR DEMOLITION AND RIVER CITY ROLL LOSS HAVE ALMOST IN A SORT OF A MANNER OF SPEAKING. I'VE TAKEN OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE PROBABLY BEEN SOMETHING LIKE 40 OR 50 TEAR DOWNS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS OR SO, MAYBE I'M EVERY DAY WHEN I WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND DRIVE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I SEE MORE SIGNS APPEARING. IT APPEARS THAT THE LADY WHO'S LISTED AS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ON THE WAY TO THE CITY CENTERS, UM, IS ACTUALLY A PERSON WHO HAD LIVED IN THE HOUSE, HER JOB. SHE WORKED FOR A COMPANY CALLED, UH, SHE'S A PRINCIPAL IN A COMPANY CALLED DA OUR DEMOLITION, AND ALSO A PRINCIPAL OF A COMPANY CALLED RIVER CITY ROJAS. WHAT THEY DO IS THEY BUY HOUSES AND THEY TEAR THEM DOWN, BUT SHE HAS NO INTEREST IN NEIGHBORHOODS. AND JUST NOVIN YEAH, SHE'S NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO SHE DOESN'T REALLY CARE. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE HOUSE IS ALMOST 85 YEARS OLD. SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD HAVE HISTORIC VALUE JUST AS BEING ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE EARLY HOUSES OF THE CITY. AND I GUESS I, I OBJECT TO IT BEING TORN DOWN BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN IN IN THE YEARS I'VE BEEN IN AUSTIN. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER HOUSE QUITE LIKE IT BEFORE, ANYWHERE IN TOWN. SO IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF, OF TWO ROCKER TEXTURE, I THINK. AND ALTHOUGH, I GUESS THE, THE, UH, YOUR PEOPLE'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO, IS TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE A PERMIT TO TEAR IT DOWN. I GUESS I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY OR THE BENEFITS TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO TEAR DOWN A HOUSE. I GOT TO BUILD SOME MODERN. SO WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DELLS? DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? SO I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S MY, I GUESS I WOULD JUST, RIGHT. I, I WOULD SAY SOMETIMES OUR HANDS ARE TIED TO BE CONSIDERED AN AUSTIN LANDMARK. A HOUSE HAS TO MEET TWO CRITERIA AND SOMETIMES ARCHITECTURE [01:05:01] IS THAT SUFFICIENT. IT HAS TO ALSO HAVE STRONG HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS OR HIGH COMMUNITY VALUE, ARCHEOLOGY OR LANDSCAPE. AND IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT THAT STAFF OR THE COMMISSION, UM, DESIRES THESE BUILDINGS TO BE TORN DOWN, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE OTHER OPTIONS IN MANY CASES. SO MAYBE THAT WILL EXPLAIN PART OF IT. UH, IS THERE ANOTHER PERSON HERE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK, OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER? YES. FINDING REQUESTS LATE I TOO AM A NEIGHBOR, UM, AND WALK BY THIS BEAUTIFUL HOUSE EVERY DAY WITH MY DOGS. IT'S A TERMING STORYBOOK COTTAGE THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN, UH, A FAIRY TALE. AND THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD LET A LUXURY HOME COMPANY LIKE NOW COME IN AND TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD ONE OF THEIR WHITE BOXY STRUCTURES THAT LOOK SO OUT OF PLACE IN TARRYTOWN IS IN MY VIEW, A DISGRACEFUL, BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES IS CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS SO DRAMATICALLY. UM, I'VE LIVED IN TARRYTOWN FOR 30 YEARS, ALSO RAISED MY CHILDREN HERE. AND ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF LIVING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS IS TO SEE THE STRUCTURAL DIVERSITY, THE ARCHITECTURAL DIVERSITY, IT'S LIKE, UH, A CANVAS FROM THE PAST. AND IF WE JUST, YOU KNOW, RIP DOWN THESE BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND REPLACE THEM WITH THESE WHITE BOXY STRUCTURES, THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, PRETTY MUCH ALL LOOK THE SAME. WE'LL HAVE NOT JUST TAKEN AWAY A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO TAKEN AWAY A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. AND COMING IN FROM, IN MY EARLY YEARS, I LIVED IN HOUSTON AND SAW THIS HAPPEN IN A LOVELY NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED WEST U. AND IT SEEMS THAT THE, IN MY VIEW, AND I THANK YOU ALL ON THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR SERVICES, IT'S TRULY VALUABLE WORK, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, IT MIGHT NEED TO BE BROADENED A BIT TO THINK ABOUT IT FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE, AND TO CONTINUE TO DEMOLISH PERFECTLY BEAUTIFUL HOMES LIKE THIS ONE. UM, IS IT IN MY VIEW TRULY TRAGIC, THIS IS A HOUSE THAT COULD EASILY BE RENOVATED ADDED ON TO, WITH, YOU KNOW, PROPER PERMITTING AND AUTHORITY FROM YOUR COMMISSION WITHOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, SWEEPING IT INTO THE DUSTBIN AND HOLLY IT OFF TO, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF LANDFILL, IT WOULD BE IN MY VIEW, MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THESE COMPANIES THAT TO FLIP THESE HOUSES AND MAKE A PROFIT TO SIMPLY ENLARGE THEM A LITTLE BIT AND, AND THEN SELL THEM. BUT THIS HOUSE, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES JUST ON THE WEB, I THINK YOU CAN INSTANTLY SEE THAT THIS, THIS HOUSE PERMEATES TERM INTO THE WHOLE STREET. AND IT'S IT, IN MY VIEW, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, UM, IT'S LIKE TAKING DOWN A PIECE OF ART. WHY WOULD WE, WHY WOULD WE DO THAT IN OUR CITY TO REPLACE IT WITH A BIG WHITE BOX? THAT'S ALL I HAVE DIED. I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS TO, UM, CONSIDER OR, AND PURSUE A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT STATUS. AND YOU MAY TALK TO STAFF, UM, STAFF, THE PRESERVATION OFFICE AT THE CITY CAN DIRECT YOU TO, UM, THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR, UM, THAT'S, UH, A GOOD WAY TO CONSERVE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, CHARACTER. IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER ON THIS CASE? I THINK WE HAD THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP. YES. THIS IS JESSE BARRERA. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. HI. UM, I'VE LIVED HERE ON BONNIE ROAD FOR, UH, 30 YEARS AND THE HOUSE AT 28 OH THREE IS A REAL FIXTURE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN, WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOME ON BONNIE ROAD, WE DID SO BECAUSE WE, WE REALLY LIKED THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, [01:10:01] OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS OR SO, UM, WE'VE SEEN BEAUTIFUL HOMES TORN DOWN ON BONNIE ROAD AND JUST LAST YEAR ALONE, THERE WERE TWO HOMES. WE RECEIVE LETTERS ON TWO HOMES IN PARTICULAR THAT WERE CONSIDERED HISTORIC. UM, AND ONE OF THE HOMES WE HAD TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAD HIS BOUGHT IT, AND, UH, HE ACTUALLY WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN. AND HE SAID, HE TOLD US THAT HE HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS HISTORIC. AND SO HE WAS TRYING TO SELL IT AND HE FINALLY SOLD IT. AND, UH, THE HOUSE EVENTUALLY ENDED UP GETTING TORN DOWN. AND IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE HISTORIC LIKE THAT, DEVELOPERS JUST KEEP TRYING AND KEEP TRYING AND KEEP TRYING UNTIL EVENTUALLY THEY GET THEIR WAY. AND SO THE, THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT EVENTUALLY, UH, ERASED. AND WE ENDED UP FORGETTING WHO, WHERE WE CAME FROM AND WHO WE ARE. UM, AND SO WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS, THIS HOME PRESERVE, BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES, UM, CHARACTERIZE WHAT TARRYTOWN IS ALL ABOUT THE OLD HOMES AND THE BIG TREES. I SEEN THE BIG TREES OUT IN FRONT. UH, THEY HAVE, UH, RIBBONS AROUND THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CUT DOWN. UM, AND THAT WOULD REALLY BE A SHAME TO LOSE THOSE, THOSE BIG TREES THAT OVERLAPPED THE STREET. UM, AND I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE HOME PRESERVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. IF WE HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKERS ON THAT CASE, WE CAN GO ON TO DATE 10, [3D.10. PR-20-186435 – 1904 Mountain View Road – Discussion Council District 10 (Part 1 of 2)] 1904 MOUNTAIN VIEW ROAD. DO WE HAVE ANYONE TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE EITHER IN FAVOR OF THE DEMOLITION OR IN OPPOSITION? FIRST, WE HAVE ZACH SAVAGE AS THE APPLICANT. OKAY. MR. SAVAGE, PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THEIR TIME AND CONSIDERATIONS EVENING. UH, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME GOING THROUGH THIS, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I'M FUMBLE MY WAY THROUGH HERE, BUT, UM, I THINK WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS ASK FOR A POSTPONEMENT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE LISTENING TO PEOPLE THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR THAT VIA EMAIL. AND I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS THE PROCEDURE, BUT WE JUST GOT THE INFORMATION ON FRIDAY AND WE JUST NEED SOME MORE TIME TO KIND OF LOOK THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF AND COME UP WITH A WAY TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS WITH EVERYBODY. SO IT IS YOUR DESIRE TO POSTPONE THIS APPLICATION. YES, MA'AM. I CAN DO THAT. UM, ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS? YES, WE DO HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS ON THE SIDE. OKAY, GO AHEAD. NEXT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION IS TOM READER. HELLO THERE. MY NAME IS TOM RAIDER, JR. I AM SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE OWNER WANTS TO POSTPONE BECAUSE MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING, UH, SOMETHING DONE. AND I, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THOUGH, TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS IMPORTANT ASPECT OF AUSTIN'S PAST HOUSING HISTORY. AT THIS POINT, I AM THE SON OF TOM AND MARYLAND READER WHO LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR 42 YEARS. UH, SLIDE TWO, PLEASE. UH, PAGE TWO OF MY, UH, UH, MATERIALS THAT I PROVIDED AS A, UM, UM, UH, A PICTURE OF THE COVER OF A PAMPHLET DRAFTED ON THE, UH, ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT THE HOUSE WAS INVOLVED IN THE HOME IT'S 1904 MOUNTAIN VIEW IS AN EXTRAORDINARY MID CENTURY MODERN EXAMPLE OF THE HOUSE OF TOMORROW AS QUOTED IN THE AUSTIN STATESMAN IN 1950, THE HOME IS ONE OF SIX DESIGNED IN 1947 THROUGH 1950, AS PART OF A PROJECT THAT THE UT SCHOOL OF ENGINEERING WITH FINANCING FROM THE ACME BRICK COMPANY. UM, THIS HOME IS THE ONLY ONE THAT REMAINS THAT RETAINS ITS ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT AND DESIGN OF THE SIX, UH, UH, HOUSES. EACH OF THE HOMES HAD ESSENTIALLY THE SAME FLOOR PLAN, BUT VARIED IN CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, ROOF DESIGN, AND HEATING AND COOLING TECHNIQUES TO FIND OUT WHAT WORKED BEST IN AUSTIN. THERE WERE MANY PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE NATION THAT FOCUSED ON THE ACUTE SHORTAGE OF HOUSING FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES FOLLOWING WORLD WAR TWO. BUT THIS PROJECT WAS ONE OF THE FEW AND PERHAPS THE ONLY ONE IN TEXAS THAT FOCUSED NOT ONLY ON COST, BUT ALSO ON QUALITY STYLE AND COMFORT. [01:15:01] THE BACK PAGE OF THE PAMPHLET DESCRIBING THE PROJECT SHOWS THE ENGINEERING FACULTY INVOLVED, INCLUDING DEAN WOOLRIDGE FOR WHOM, UH, WOOLWORTH'S HALL WAS NAMED AND, UH, WHICH WE LOST, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO FOR A RENEWAL AND PROFESSORS DAWSON AND LONG PROFESSOR GIZA KEY. ONE OF THE PIONEERS IN THE U S OF HEATING AND COOLING DESIGN IS LISTED AS A CONSULTANT. HE WROTE A MORE DETAILED PAPER ON THE PROJECT FOR THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, WHICH I'VE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION. UH, PAGE THREE, PLEASE, 1904 MOUNTAIN VIEW IS THE HOUSE NUMBER SIX IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE PAGE OF ALL THE DESIGNS OF THE PRO OF THIS PROJECT. THIS ONE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT INCLUDES AN OUTDOOR LIVING AREA ON THE ROOF, COMPLETE WITH A BARBECUE PIT, EVEN A SINK AND UNIQUE EXTERIOR CANTILEVERED STAIRS LEADING TO IT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHOTO. THE HOME IS BUILT OF STRUCTURAL TILE WITH 10 INCH CAVITY WALL HVAC SYSTEM PIONEERED THE USE OF GEOTHERMAL COOLING, AND THE MECHANISMS USED ARE STILL PRESENT IN THE HOUSE. IT'S SUCKED UP AIR FROM UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE THROUGH TILE FLOORS AND THE CAVITIES IN THE WALLS AND THROUGH TILE ROOFS, THE TILE ROOF, AND OUT THE TOP AND KEPT THE HOUSE COOL IN THE SUMMER AND WARMER IN THE WINTER. UH, PAGE FOUR, PLEASE. UH, THIS IS A SECTION OF THE ORIGINAL BLUEPRINT FROM THE ARCHITECTS OF THE HOME. IT READS LIKE A WHO'S WHO OF AUSTIN MID-CENTURY ARCHITECTS, LAURIE MARTIN. I THINK WE'LL TALK ABOUT THEM AND THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS, BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE THAT THIS HOUSE REPRESENTS EARLY RESIDENTIAL WORK OF THE BEST KNOWN ARCHITECTS IN AUSTIN OF THEIR TIME. SLIDE FIVE, PLEASE. UM, PROFESSOR WAYNE LONG, WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE AND OFFERED THE PAMPHLET THAT I SHOWED HER EARLIER, LIVED IN A SIMILAR HOUSE, A FEW BLOCKS AWAY IN BRECKER WOODS AND THE OLD WEST AUSTIN HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, THIS WAS ALSO A CERAMIC STRUCTURE AND WAS THE SUBJECT OF A COMMISSION HEARING IN 2015. SINCE THAT HEARING THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, SLIDE SIX, PLEASE. I REFERENCED THESE TWO PHOTOS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH A SIMILAR HISTORIC PRO PROPERTY WHILE MAINTAINING THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS OF THE HOME, AS WELL AS THE STREET VIEW OF THE LOWER FLOOR. UH, FINAL SLIDE, PLEASE. FINALLY, A PICTURE OF ONE OF TOM AND MARYLAND'S GRANDCHILDREN ENJOY A COOLING DAY ON THE ROOFTOP LIVING AREA OF THE HOUSE. THAT DECK HAS BEEN AN ATTRACTIVE FEATURE OF THE HOUSE THROUGHOUT ITS 70 YEAR HISTORY. I WILL CLOSE WITH A PRESENT THE QUOTE FROM THE PERSON NOW IN HER FORTIES. IT WOULD BE A SHAME FOR TARRYTOWN TO LOSE THIS IMPORTANT REMINDER OF ITS EARLY CHARACTER. THANK YOU. AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER ON THIS CASE? YES. OUR FINAL SPEAKER IS LORI MARTIN IS MARTIN. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THIS IS LORI MARTIN SPEAKING AND OPPOSITION TO THE DEMOLITION REQUESTS FOR A 1904 MOUNTAIN VIEW. AND I TOO AM ONE TO EXPRESS MY, UM, CAUTIOUS OPTIMISM ABOUT, UH, MR. SAVAGES, UH, WISH TO DELAY THE, UM, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PRODUCT PROJECT, BUT I JUST WANT TO, AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE ON HIS BEHALF, THE STRUGGLES THAT EXIST BETWEEN BALANCING AND THE, THE MAINTENANCE AND PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES WITH THE PREFERENCES, UH, NEEDS OF INDIVIDUALS, PROPERTY, PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE 21ST CENTURY. BUT I THINK THAT, UM, THE FLAGS THAT MR READER SHOWED WITH THE, UM, ADDITION DONE TO MR LONG'S HOUSE, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR IN CHARACTER TO THE HOUSE AT 1904 MOUNTAIN VIEWS, UH, GIVES US HOPE THAT, THAT WE MIGHT FIND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ALSO THAT FIVE OF THE SIX ORIGINAL HOUSES REMAIN IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. ELLIE ONE HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED. UM, FOUR ARE VERY CLOSE TO THEIR ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. ONE HAS BEEN ADDED ON SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT I'VE BEEN INSIDE AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE HISTORIC, UH, BOUNDARIES OF THE ORIGINAL HOMEWORK. UM, AND MR. REEDER IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT HIS HOUSE OR HIS [01:20:01] FORMER HOUSE IS, UH, THE BEST, UH, PRESERVED IN TERMS OF ORIGINAL AND MATERIALS THAT WERE USED IN THE PROPERTY. AND IT'S ON A BIG LOT THAT I THINK, UH, COULD HANDLE SOME ADDITIONS TO IT AS WELL. SO THE MERIT AND IMPORTANCE OF, UH, IS MOSTLY RECOGNIZABLE IN THE STORY, BUT THAT THESE BUILDINGS TELLS A GROUP, BUT THE HOUSE OF TOMORROW IS 1904 MOUNTAIN VIEW IS REFERRED TO YOU DESERVES FURTHER CONSIDERATION FOR ITS DISTINCTIVE CARE, UH, ARCHITECTURE ITS ASSOCIATION WITH THE SAME INDIVIDUALS AND ITS ROLE IN FURTHERING THE RESEARCH OF COMFORT AND LIVABILITY IN THE HOUSES IN SEVEN CLIMATES. SO, UM, I'M HOPEFUL THAT IF, UH, MR. SAVAGE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE IN AUSTIN AND HE'D LIKE TO REACH OUT, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO HIM. AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF, UH, PRESERVATION OF THIS IMPORTANT PROPERTY. UM, MS. MARTIN, THE GENTLEMAN, MR. READER, BEFORE YOU SAID THAT YOU COULD TELL US THE WHO'S WHO OF AUSTIN ARCHITECTS INVOLVED IN THIS HOUSE? COULD YOU JUST ADD SOME YES. THE PROPERTY, WHAT THE, THE, UH, GROUP OF PROPERTIES WERE DESIGNED BY SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UM, ARCHITECTS, UH, BUT MR. HOWARD BARR, UH, DESIGNED HOUSE NUMBER SIX AT 1904. AND HE WAS AT THE TIME HE WAS AN ASSOCIATE ARCHITECT OF GEEKY, KEENEY AND BROOKS. AND YOU MAY KNOW, UH, RECOGNIZE HUGO FRANCESCHINI AS, UH, ONE OF OUR REALLY OUTSTANDING ARCHITECTS IN THE CITY. HE HAD DESIGNED EVERYTHING FROM THE AUSTIN PUBLIC LIBRARY, WHICH IS NOW THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER IN 1933. HE ALSO DESIGNED THE AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK IN 1952, WHICH SERVED AS THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE AT SIX IN COLORADO FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND NOW IT'S BEEN REHABILITATED, UH, BY MAGHERA JESSE, UH, ADVERTISING AGENCY. AND HE ALSO, UH, WORKED ON THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, BUILDING IT CANUCK AND LAMAR AND LAMAR JUNIOR HIGH AT, UH, CANUCK AND BURNET. AND HE WAS NAMED AUSTIN'S MOST WORTHY CITIZEN IN 1954 FOR EVERYTHING HE DID REGARDING, UH, PLANNING, ZONING AND WORKING ON THE PARKS COMMISSION. AND, UM, HOWARD BARR WAS ALSO A, AN ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT TO UT AND HE DESIGNED MANY BUILDINGS ON CAMPUS. AND, AND HE ALSO COLLABORATED WITH SKIDMORE, OWINGS AND MERRILL ON THE LBJ PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM. SO HE, UH, HAD AN ILLUSTRIOUS CAREER ON HIS OWN, AND HE WAS ALSO PART OF, UH, A LATER ITERATION OF THE W UH, ARCHITECTURE FIRM OF BRICKS BAR, GRAYBAR, AND WHITES. THEY DID A LOT OF WORK IN THE MID, UH, MIDDLE PART OF THE CENTURY AND, UM, REALLY PUT THEIR STAMP ON AUSTIN. AS WE KNOW IT TODAY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT, UH, HE GOES KEENEY, UM, RETURNED TO AUSTIN. HE STUDIED AT UT AND THEN WENT TO MIT FOR HIS ARCHITECTURE DEGREE, BUT HE RETURNED TO AUSTIN AT THE REQUEST OF THE, UH, FACULTY TO START THE ARCHITECTURE PROGRAM AT UT AND, UH, BARR ALSO GRADUATE FROM UT SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MARTIN. SO WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO, UM, SAY ANYTHING IN REBUTTAL? I'M SORT OF GUESSING NOT IF HE'S ASKING FOR POSTPONEMENT? UH, NO, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S COMMENTS AND, UH, MS. MARTIN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO REACH OUT TO ME. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU HAPPY TO MEET AND DISCUSS, UH, SAME WITH YOU, MR. READER. UM, BUT, UH, YES, WE STILL LET'S TRY TO POST THEM IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. AND STAFF CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU THE CONTACT INFORMATION. YEAH, THAT'D BE AWESOME. AND THANKS THAT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT, UH, MY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS CAME LATE, I WAS, UH, I WROTE MY THESIS ON THE ACNE CERAMIC HOUSING PROJECTS. SO THAT'S WHY THIS HOUSE HERE TO MY HEART. WELL, I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF, OF ALL CENTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE BEST WE CAN. ABSOLUTELY. UM, HOW WOULD I BEST GET HER INFORMATION? I'M SORRY TO CONTACT CONTACT STAFF [01:25:01] DURING OFFICE HOURS. UM, EITHER, UH, UH, STEVE SEDOWSKY OR ELIZABETH BRUMMETT CAN PROBABLY HAVE CONNECT WITH ONE ANOTHER. AND I GOT THE LAST NAME. MS. MORTON. WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST NAME? UH, IT'S LORI, L O R I E MARTIN, M A R T I N. OKAY, GREAT. YES, SIR. CAN I JUST, CAN I JUST ADD THAT? I, I AM EQUALLY AVAILABLE AS WELL, AND I HAVE THE SYRUPY HOUSE FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, AND I KNOW EVERY INCH AND CRANNY OF IT. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I'LL UH, I'LL MAKE SURE I REACH OUT AND GET BOTH Y'ALL'S INFORMATION FROM, FROM STAFF. THANKS GUYS. YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD WEEK. Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING. YOU TOO. YEAH, WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE THIS, UH, PROPERTY F ONE THAT WAS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. ARE THERE OTHER, UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CASES FOR WHICH WE HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS? THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS. I'M SORRY. THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. THAT WAS OUR FINAL SPEAKER. OKAY. THEN LET'S [3A1. HDP-2020-0494 – Kenneth and Mildred Threadgill House – Offered for Consent Approval (Part 2 of 2)] GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING ITEM. [3A.1. HDP-2020-0494 – Kenneth and Mildred Threadgill House – Offered for Consent Approval (Part 2 of 2)] THREADGILL HOUSE AT 43 10 ROSEDALE AVENUE. THIS IS FOR CONSIDERATION OF A RECOMMENDATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING. I WONDER IF STEVE IS HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. STEVE, ARE YOU THERE STATE? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. CAN YOU GIVE US A BRIEF RUN DOWN ON THE THREADGILL HOUSE? YES. UH, THIS CASE CAME UP LAST MONTH, UH, AND WITH THE OWNER'S CONSENT, THE COMMISSION INITIATED THE HISTORIC ZONING CASE. THIS WAS THE HOME OF KENNETH AND MILDRED THREADGILL, UH, FOR MANY YEARS AT THE 1939 TO, TO REVIVAL HOUSE VERNACULAR AND STYLE. IT'S GOT THE STONE CLADDING, THE VERY STEEPLY PINCHED ROOF, UH, THE SEGMENTAL, OCTOBER THE DOOR OFF HALLMARKS OF THE, UH, TUTOR REVIVAL STYLE. KENNETH THREADGILL WAS THE OWNER OF THREADGILL'S GAS STATION ON, UH, BOULEVARD. AND, UH, THAT, UH, TURNED INTO A PLACE WHERE HE HOSTED JAM SESSIONS. HE WAS ORIGINALLY FROM EAST TEXAS. HE WAS A, UH, NOTED COUNTRY YODELER THAT, UH, STARTED HAVING MUSICAL SESSIONS. AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE HE OPENED THEIR TOP TWO OPEN MIKE, UH, MOSTLY FOR UT STUDENTS. ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS IRREGULAR THERE WAS JANICE JOPLIN AND, UH, IT WAS HER FIRST REAL PUBLIC APPEARANCES, UH, AND PERFORMANCES BEFORE SHE MOVED OFF TO SAN FRANCISCO AND BECAME, UH, BELIEVES THAT HER BROTHER AND THE HOLDING COMPANY, THIS REPRESENTS THE PRIVATE LIFE OF MILDRED'S DIRECT DEAL. UH, THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE ICONS IN AUSTIN'S MUSIC COMMUNITY, AND, UH, PATRONS OF THE ARTS AND PROVIDING, UH, THEIR SPACE AND ALSO THEIR FRIENDSHIP TO MUSICIANS IN THE CITY. SO STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS HOUSE QUALIFIES FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR ITS ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AND ALSO ITS ASSOCIATIONS WITH, UH, KENNETH AND MILDRED THREADGILL WHO LIVED HERE FOR CLOSE TO 40 YEARS. THANK YOU. UM, OUR, OUR MISSION HERE IS TO, UH, SEE IF WE CAN RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CASE OR IS IT, YEAH, I NEED A MOTION ON THE CASE AND BEFORE ANY DISCUSSION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I SEE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER POP OF THE SEALY, YOU OR HIS LOCAL CHILD THERE. [01:30:03] IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE HOUSE? OKAY. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE SUN LAST TIME. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING HISTORIC ZONING FOR THE THREADGILL HOUSE, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND ANY OPPOSED IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. AND LET'S SEE OUR NEXT ITEM 15, 17. MARIE, DO WE NEED TO, UM, DO WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS OR WAS THIS REMOVED FROM THE POSTPONEMENT? I'M NOT SURE TO STATUS STAFF NEXT IS [3B.3. HR-20-191841– 3805 Avenue H – Offered for Consent Approval Hyde Park Historic District Council District 9] [3B.3. HR-20-191841– 3805 Avenue H – Offered for Consent Approval Hyde Park Historic District Council District 9 (Part 2 of 2)] B3. THE ONE THAT WAS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, 1570. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. 35 38 OH FIVE AVENUE. YES. UM, JUST, UH, SINCE, SINCE YOU HAD ASKED 15, 17 MARIE WAS POSTPONED, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPTIONS. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED TO THE APPLICANTS, THIS IS THIS CASE. THEY, THE APPLICANTS HAVE WERE ASKING US TO CONSIDER SOMEBODY BEING A TEARDROP SIDING AND THE GABLE AND ABOVE THE FREEZE BOARD. UM, AND STAFF HAS SOME PHOTOGRAPHS. THESE WERE SOME EXAMPLES FOR US. THE APPLICANT POINTED OUT THAT THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT IS, UM, IS A BRICK HOUSE THAT HAS THAT, UH, TEARDROP OR FALSE BUBBLED SITING IN THE GAMBLE. UM, THE, WE FELT THAT THE HOUSE PROBABLY APPEAR MORE LIKE THE ONE ON THE LEFT WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN AND, UM, EITHER STUCCO OR A PAINTED BACKGROUND. IS THAT CORRECT STAFF? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE SEE SOME EVIDENCE NEED TO GIVE THE, UH, THE FULL PRESENTATION OR ARE Y'ALL OKAY. UM, PROCEEDING WITH THE, UH, THE BACKUP. WHAT IS THE, UH, WHAT'S THE PREFERENCE OF THE COMMISSION? I DON'T THINK WE NEED THE FULL PRESENTATION. I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION. THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. IT IS, IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THE HYDE PARK, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING, UH, TO CHANGE THE, UM, THE SIDING MATERIAL IN THAT GABLE END, THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY STAY WITH, UM, THE BOARD OF THE BOARD AND BATTEN'S, UM, THE APPEARANCE THAT IT APPARENTLY HAD, UM, TO BEGIN WITH. WELL, MAY I ASK TO SOME OF THE, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS, IS THAT NEW, UH, WOULD YOU CHANGE YOUR RECOMMENDATION? UM, I THINK IT IS, IT'S A VERY SMALL DETAIL. I DON'T THINK IT COMPROMISES THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE AND, UH, WE COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE HAD ONE OVER THE OTHER FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, BUT MAYBE YOU'VE SEEN MORE DETAILED THAN WE HAVE HERE. I THINK, I THINK THERE IS A CONSIDERATION THAT THIS IS NOT TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE FALSE BEVELED SIDING AND THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT IS KIND OF AN ANOMALY AND MAY EVEN BE, UH, A MORE MODERN, UM, APPLICATION. BUT I SAW THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA HAD HER HAND UP COMMISSIONER, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADD. I WAS GOING TO ASK IF, IF WE ARE SURE THAT THAT'S THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL, UM, WAS THERE ANY SELECTIVE DEMOLITION DONE TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL WE HAD ASKED FOR THAT, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT STAFF. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I CUT OUT A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER VALANCE, WILLA, WOULD YOU ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION TO STAFF? I WAS JUST ASKING IF, IF THERE HAD BEEN CONFIRMATION, UM, THAT IS WHAT'S THERE. PRESENTLY IS THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL. WAS THERE SELECTIVE DEMOLITION DONE TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL COMMISSIONER'S STAFF HAS NOT HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT ON THIS, BUT IF THEY'RE ON THE LINE, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO CLARIFY [01:35:01] WE, YEAH, WE DIDN'T DO SELECTIVE DEMOLITION, BUT, UM, BUT, UM, SORRY. YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE DONE SELECTIVE DEMOLITION. UM, WHEN WE PREVIOUSLY, WHEN WE REPLACED A ROOF AND THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THERE WAS A SEPARATE CLADDING THERE. SO WHAT IS THERE NOW IS, UM, ROLL ROOFING WITH BATTENS AT THE LAPS OF THE ROOFING. UM, SO WHICH IS KIND OF, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE NEXT PAGE, PAGE SEVEN IS, IS KIND OF A PICTURE OF THE FRONT THERE, UM, WITH AN OPTION TO, OR AN OPTION B FOR JUST IN LIEU OF THE TEARDROP SIDING OF GOING BACK WITH A, WITH A BOARD AND BATTEN TO MATCH THE EXISTING LOOK. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY REMOVE THE ROLL ROOFING EXISTING BATTENS AND REPLACE IT, UM, WITH A MORE STANDARD OF BOARD AND BATTEN, WHICH WE WOULD BE ALSO FINE WITH. OKAY. WITH THE APPLICANT IS, UH, YOU HEARD IT, THEY SAID, WHAT'S THERE NOW AS A ROLE OR A THING, LIKE AN ASPHALT RARE THING WITH BATTEN'S. I THINK THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER COOK, CAN YOU CLARIFY? WE HAD DISCUSSED IT. I THINK THAT THE BATTENS NEED TO REMAIN WHETHER IT'S A STUCCO OR WHETHER IT'S A BOARD AND BATTEN. I AGREE. IT GETS A LITTLE FINICKY, I GUESS WHEN WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE MATERIAL TO SEE WHAT'S ORIGINAL AND WHAT'S NOT, AND AS LONG AS THE APPEARANCE IS MAINE MAINTAINED, I STRONGLY SUSPECT THAT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL APPEARANCE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN REPLICATED AND MORE MODERN MATERIALS AFTER THERE WAS SOME MAYBE DAMAGED TO THE SUBSTRATE. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE'RE THERE SEEING IT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY WHETHER THOSE BOARDS ARE WORTH SAVING OR COULDN'T BE SAVED OR MIGHT BE ORIGINAL. I WOULD JUST, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE WITH, UH, THE SAME APPEARANCE THAT COULD BE RENDERED IN MODERN MATERIALS, BUT STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO RETAIN ANYTHING THAT APPEARS TO BE ORIGINAL BASED ON DETAILS. THEY SEEM TO BE FAIRLY KNOWLEDGEABLE WELDERS. I AGREE TO THAT. UM, COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA, I WAS JUST GOING TO SECOND THAT IF THAT WASN'T OKAY, I CAN MAKE THAT A TRUE MOTION. SO THE MOTION, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE, UM, GORDON BATON RETAINING THE BATTENS, MATT AND PREFERABLY RETAINING THE BATTENS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL MATERIAL, BUT, UH, PERMITTING THE OWNER TO, UH, REPLACE BOTH, UH, THE BACKING AND THE BOARD AND THE BATON, IF, IF DEEMED NECESSARY, AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL APPEARANCE IS MAINTAINED. OKAY. AND CAN YOU SECOND THAT COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA COMMISSIONER VILLAINS SUELA SECONDS. THE MOTION. I AGREE. I THINK THAT THE BATON EFFECT, THIS IS, THIS IS RIGHT ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS, THIS IS PROBABLY THE STRONGEST CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE HOUSE IS THE, IS THIS FRONT PORCH ELEMENT AND, UM, THE ROOF, AND I THINK RETAINING THE BATTENS WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE PREFERABLE. UM, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS? OKAY. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSITION. OKAY. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. NOW, UH, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, 15, 17 MURRAY LANE HAS BEEN POSTPONED. WE HAVE [3C.5. GF-20-180133 – 1510 Palma Plaza – Discussion Old West Austin Historic District Council District 9 (Part 2 of 2)] 15, 10 PALMA PLAZA. THIS IS THE APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING, UH, TUTOR HOUSE WITH THE CLIP GABLES AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW DUPLEX STAFF. THANK YOU. MA'AM CHAIR ITEM C FIVE IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH A CIRCA 1923 TRIFLEX AND CONSTRUCTION. YOU DO PLEX IN ITS PLACE. THE PROPOSED DUPLEX IS THREE STORIES. UH, IT'S MAIN ELEVATION FEATURES, CLIP TABLES, AND TWO UNITS SEPARATED BY A GARAGE. IT HAS SIDE DORMERS AT EACH UNIT AND THE EASTERN MOST UNIT HAS A FULL-WIDTH PORCH AND A CARPORT, UH, CONNECTED BY A BREEZEWAY. THEN ILLUSTRATION INCLUDES TWO OVER TWO SASH WINDOWS, SIX HORIZONTAL WINDOWS AND PANEL DOORS. THE PROPOSED SIDING OF HORIZONTAL FIBER CEMENT WITH WOOD TONGUE AND GROOVE BACK THEN, UH, THE EXISTING TRIFLEX IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY, ALL PLANTS THAT GO COTTAGE WITH ECLIPSE GABLES. ONE OF THE ONE WINDOWS AND A COVERED ENTRYWAY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1923 BY A HOWARD AND AUGUSTA AUGSBURG WHO LIVED THERE ON AND OFF [01:40:01] FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS. A HOWARD AUBURN WAS A REAL ESTATE INSURANCE SALESMAN, SOLICITOR AND A DEVELOPER GUST TO OFFER MANAGE THE AUSTIN CLUB AND THE AUSTIN COUNTRY CLUB, UH, WHERE THE FAMILY LIVED BRIEFLY IN THE 1930S BEFORE MOVING BACK TO 15, 10 COMICS PLAZA. AND AS THE VILLAGE, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE 1920S, UM, AND AUGUSTA BERN, A MEMBER OF THE RENFRO FAMILY ALSO RAN A LENDING LIBRARY FROM THE RENT ROAD DRUG COMPANY ON WEST 12TH STREET. UH, THE TASK WAS CONVERTED TO A DUPLEX IN 1962, AND AN ADDITIONAL UNIT WAS ADDED IN 1963. UH, THE TENANTS FROM THE 1940S, THE 1960S INDICATES DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES IN THE AREA MID CENTURY. UM, THE PROPERTY MAY MEET TWO CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION UNDER ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. UM, THE BUILDING STUCCO CLADDING AND CLIFF TABLES ARE UNUSUAL FOR ITS TIME AND ITS MODERN OR IN ITS MODEST FORM REFLECTS THE MIDDLE-CLASS IDEALS THAT AUGER AND HOPE TO MARKET, TO POTENTIAL BUYERS. UM, THIS HOUSE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AUBURN FAMILY. UM, HOWARD BURTON WAS A PROMINENT BUSINESSMAN AND AGGRESS TO OFFER AND MANAGE, UH, TO THE AUSTIN'S EXCLUSIVE SOCIAL CLUB OF THE TIME. UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PLANS IN 2020, UM, AND SUGGESTED THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER RETENTION IN ADDITION TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS STUCCO CLADDING STAFF CONCURS WITH THE COMMITTEE FEEDBACK AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE HOUSE BE RETAINED UNTIL ALL POSSIBLE OPTIONS FOR REHAB HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED. UM, SHOULD THE COMMISSION RELEASED A DEMO PERMIT? UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS COMPLETION OF A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, UM, PRIOR TO RELEASE TO THE PERMIT AND A LEASE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION PLANS. THE COMMISSION COULD ALSO CONSIDER A 180 DAY DEMOLITION, UH, DELAY BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING HOUSE AND, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. IS THAT CORRECT STAFF? YES. COMMISSIONER THAT'S CORRECT. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE? ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD. UM, I THINK GIVEN THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE IT'S MODIFICATION OVER MANY YEARS, AND EVEN THOUGH THERE IS, I THINK SOME VERY, UH, APPROPRIATE ASSOCIATION I REALLY AM SEEING, THIS IS ONE WHERE, UH, I DON'T SEE IT RISES THE CASE OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. I DON'T SEE THAT, UM, STRICTLY DELAYING IS PROBABLY GONNA CHANGE ANYBODY'S MIND. UM, I THINK IF IT, IF WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED TO REPLACE, IT WAS, UH, WILDLY OUT OF SCALE WITH THIS LOCATION, UH, AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. UH, AND OBVIOUSLY NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD NOT BE CONTRIBUTED AS A REPLACEMENT OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. IT PROBABLY IS AT LEAST BETTER THAN WHAT ANY ALL CANDIDATES COULD HAVE BEEN. I JUST, I THINK WE'VE HEARD THIS CASE AND HAVE CONSIDERED IT IN MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS. WE CLEARLY HAVE AN OWNER THAT IS, IS NOT, UH, INTERESTED IN, IN TAKING THIS FURTHER. UH, I, I, I THINK THIS IS ONE WHERE I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE JUST GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE DEMOLITION AND I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HINES, SETH MOVED TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON SECONDS, THE MOTION ASK ABOUT THE EMOTION. AND I'LL SAY THAT I, IF I ELIMINATE GOING FROM, UH, THE ONLY THING I CAN ADD IS THAT I LIMIT AND GOING FROM THREE UNITS DOWN TO TWO, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS ON THE SITE AND I APPRECIATE THE NEW CONSTRUCTIONS, UH, KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE AESTHETIC OF THE OLD BUILDING COMMISSIONER. SETH, DID YOU WANT TO CLARIFY, DID I MISSTATE YOUR MOTION? NO, I DID WANT TO ADD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE RELEASE OF THE FULL DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEARLY INCLUDED AND THE DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE INCLUDES SORTA GRAPH ALL ELEVATIONS, UH, DIMENSION SKETCH PLAN AND, UH, NARRATIVE HISTORY, UH, SUITABLE FOR ARCHIVING AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER. OKAY. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, I THINK THIS WAS, THIS IS HIGHLY VISIBLE, UM, HOUSE ON THE SITE AND THERE WAS OPPOSITION. WE HAD, UH, [01:45:01] NUMEROUS, UM, NEIGHBORS RIGHT IN AND OPPOSITION. I DO THINK THE, I DO THINK THAT THE DUPLEX THAT THEY PROPOSED, UM, IS A GOOD DESIGN, A REPLACEMENT BETTER THAN A LOT THAT WE'VE HAD, BUT I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, UH, SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION OF THIS CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE. UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND, ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. ALL WERE IN FAVOR EXCEPT COMMISSIONER VALANCE SUELA AND MYSELF, THE MOTION PASSES. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION IT'S THE EIGHT 1504 WESTOVER ROAD. YES. UH, I THINK THERE'S ALSO, WE MADE A MOTION OR A, SOME DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE ON PALMER PLAZA, SINCE THAT IS ALSO ON THE AGENDA. IT'S NOT JUST THE DEMOLITION. SO IF THERE'S ANY, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE NOW, IT'D BE THE TIME TO DO IT. OKAY. WE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE APPROVED DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. UH, DO WE HAVE, UM, A MOTION ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DUPLEX? SO MISS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY I MISSED THAT IN MY ORIGINAL MOTION. SO I WILL, THE APPROVAL OF THESE PLANS IS AS PROVIDED. OKAY. UH, DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND FROM CAROLINA, UH, COMMISSIONER, RIGHT. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION FOR THE DUPLEX, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED, UH, COMMISSIONER MYERS. I ACTUALLY WANTED TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION YES. COMMENTS INTO THE RECORD. SORRY, BEFORE WE TAKE THAT. BUT, UM, I ACTUALLY, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THE DESIGN IS SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, BUT I ALMOST SEE IT AS A SLAP IN THE FACE OF KEEPING, UH, NOT KEEPING THE STRUCTURE, BUT MAKING A NEW STRUCTURE. THAT LOOKS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE IT. UM, SO I ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE PREFERRED, UM, SOMETHING THAT DEVIATED FROM, UM, THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE. I, I HEAR THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IT CAN'T BE, THIS HOUSE WILL NOT BE CONFUSED AS A HISTORIC HOUSE. I THINK THE MOST NOTABLE, UM, UH, HISTORIC LOOKING, UH, FEATURE OF THE HOUSE AS IS THE CLIP GABLE. AND WE HAD ASKED THEM NOT TO PUT A BIG SQUARE BOX OR A HOUSE WITH A BIG STEEPLY PITCHED, UM, SHED ROOF ON IT. AND I THINK THEY WENT TO, UH, WE DID ASK THEM, UH, TO CONSIDER STUCCO. AND THAT WAS NOT PART OF, OF THIS MOTION. I THINK THAT IT WON'T BE CONFUSED WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING ON THE SIDE, BUT I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. I AGREE. I DO THINK JUST BY THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DIFFERENTIATE NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM ORIGINAL. AND I THINK JUST THAT CLIP GABLE IS SUCH A STRONG REFERENCE TO WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY. UM, THAT'S THAT'S I GUESS MY INTERPRETATION OF THE DESIGN. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION NOW, WAS THAT, UH, YOUR MOTION? UH, YOUR SECOND ON THAT MS. PHELAN SUELA NO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO OFFER COMMENTS. OKAY. WHO SECONDED THE MOTION? CAROLINE A RIGHT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT SECONDED THE MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE DUPLEX, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA AS OPPOSED. OKAY. IT PASSES. AND NOW WE HAVE, UM, 1500, FOUR WESTOVER ROAD, I BELIEVE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. I'M ALSO TAKING MINUTES. UM, SO LET ME GET COMMISSIONER HOLMES WAY, LIKE COMMENT ON COMP COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA, HIS COMMENTS ON THE RECORD THERE. OKAY. TOO MANY THINGS UP TO THE STAFF. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE RESPONSIBILITIES [01:50:01] HERE. OKAY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS, UH, C H. THIS IS THE PROPOSAL TO REPLACE WOOD WINDOWS AT 1504 WESTOVER, UH, WITH MATCHING COMPOSITE WINDOWS WITH SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS AND COMMISSIONERS. THIS WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED. UM, THE HOUSE IS BUILT IN 1945. IT'S FIRST OCCUPANT WHERE A DENTIST AND HIS FAMILY AND AN OIL COMPANY ATTORNEY AND HIS WIFE, UM, IN 1954, CLEVELAND JUDGE RUEL WALKER WAS ELECTED AS THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT. AND HE MOVED HIS FAMILY TO 15 AND FOUR WESTOVER. UH, THE WALKERS LIVED THERE FOR TWO YEARS WHILE THEY BUILT A HOUSE ON WOOLDRIDGE DRIVE. WHILE IN SCHOOL WALKER SERVED AS THE EDITOR OF THE TEXAS LAW REVIEW. AND AFTER SERVING AS A LEGAL INVESTIGATOR AT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WALKER RETURNED TO CLEBURNE WHERE HE PRACTICED LAW WITH HIS FATHER AND UNCLE FOR 18 YEARS, WHILE ON THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT, HE WAS NOTED FOR A SCHOLARLY OPINIONS AND HIS AUTHORITY ON CIVIL PROCEDURE. HE SERVED AS ASSOCIATE JUSTICE UNTIL 1976. UM, SO ACTUALLY THE AGENDA WAS POSTED ON FRIDAY. STAFF LEARNED THAT THE, UH, WINDOWS HAD ALREADY BEEN REPLACED. HOWEVER, UM, STAFF HAS REVIEWED PHOTOGRAPHS PROVIDED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND DETERMINED THAT THE REPLACEMENTS ARE APPROPRIATE. UM, AND THUS WE CAN, UH, RECOMMEND RETROACTIVE APPROVAL FOR THESE WINDOWS RATHER THAN POSTPONEMENT AS WAS ORIGINALLY STATED ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE? ALMOST STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE OF THE WINDOWS AS, AS, UH, NOW INSTALLED AND THEN INCUR. AND, UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COOK, I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANTS IN THE FUTURE TO APPLY, UH, BEFORE, UM, MAKING RENOVATIONS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. BUT IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO YOU WANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST ONE WAS A ACTUAL LANDMARK. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH WINDOWS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED. I THINK THERE'S, UH, A, UH, PANDEMICS OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT OUT THERE IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. EVERYONE IS SCRAMBLING TO REPLACE THEIR WINDOWS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE GETS THE FEELING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SOFT ON REPLACING THESE. UH, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT HARDER, RIGHT AFTER REALIZING THOSE PHOTOS WERE ACTUALLY THE NEW WINDOWS. UM, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY, THEY WEREN'T WELL SELECTED. SO, UH, I'M, I'M CONSIDERING THAT IN MY VOTE, UH, THIS WAS A POTENTIAL LANDMARK GIVEN THIS TO WORK ASSOCIATIONS, UH, WHICH MADE IT EXTRA DIFFICULT. UH, BUT, UH, I WOULD, IT'S STILL POSSIBLE THAT IT MIGHT QUALIFY EVEN WITH THESE, UH, REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. I THINK, UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT THEM, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON EVERY SINGLE DAY, I GET AN EMAIL OR A LETTER OR A PHONE CALL ASKING ME TO CONSIDER REPLACING MY HISTORIC WINDOWS. AND I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S A REAL PUSH PEOPLE THINK THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY. THEY'RE CONVINCED OF THIS BY, UM, AVID SALESMAN AND IT'S NOT. AND IF PEOPLE WILL OF DO THE STAFF OR COMMISSION TO DISCUSS IT, WE COULD OFFER ALTERNATIVES TO WINDOW REPLACEMENT, COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH, GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT, UM, WHILE THESE ARE THE WORST WINDOWS I'VE EVER SEEN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS AND, AND IN CASE THERE ARE ANY WINDOWS SALESMEN LISTENING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN INSERTED INTO THE EXISTING FRAMES GIVES THEM A VERY WIDE FRAME SET. UM, THE THEY'VE MOVED THE LOWER WINDOWS FROM BEING TO, UH, SASH WINDOWS WITH A CENTER MULLION WITH A VERY FIXED CENTER MULLION INTO BEING PICTURE WINDOWS. UM, THE GRIDS APPEAR TO NOT HAVE A, A GRID BETWEEN THE GLAZING. SO YOU GET A VISUAL GAP WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM UP CLOSE. UM, THIS IS NOT THE WORST I'VE EVER SEEN, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE. AND HAD WE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS? UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE ISSUES WOULD BE NOTED. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER I'M SETH, LET ME JUST ECHO, I WOULD SAY SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT FROM THE OWNER'S POINT OF VIEW MAKING WHAT THEY MIGHT FEEL IS AN INFORMED JUDGMENT AND FEELING [01:55:01] EMBOLDENED BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY KNOW THEIR HOUSE. WELL, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE AND, UH, COMMISSIONER COOK, UH, MENTIONING THE PREVIOUS CASE. UH, IF ANYBODY'S SEEN OUR MINUTES, THE PREVIOUS CASE, FORTUNATELY HAD AN HAPPY ENDING, BUT IT REQUIRED SOME MAJOR REPLACEMENT WORDS. SO, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY AND IS A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT. I THINK, IN THIS PLACE, IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE AN OWNER WHO, UH, SHALL WE SAY A GUEST, RIGHT? OR AT LEAST CLOSE ENOUGH. I DON'T KNOW. I DID. IN THE PREVIOUS CASE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A LANDMARK AND IT WAS A LANDMARK, UH, PROPERTY THAT, UM, HAD CONSIDERABLE SUPPORT FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, UM, WHO ALL PITCHED IN TOGETHER AND BOUGHT THE HOUSE ONLY TO SEE THE OWNERS THROW THE WINDOWS OUT. AND, UM, AND SO WE DID HAVE TO GO BACK AND, AND REQUIRE, UM, SOME RETROFITTING. UM, WAS THERE ANOTHER, WAS THERE A COMMENT BY STAFF OR DID SOMEONE ELSE, UH, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? YEAH, THIS IS ELIZABETH FROM IT WITH STAFF. UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THE UNDER WAS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING HERE. WE DID HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR A PERMIT AND IT APPEARS THERE WAS SOME MISCOMMUNICATION THAT OCCURRED WITH THESE WINDOWS BEING REPLACED BEFORE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION HEARING. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS SIMPLY DONE IN ERROR, BUT WITHOUT ANY ILL INTENT, NO, I DON'T. I DON'T THINK WE THOUGHT THERE WAS ILL INTENT. I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY'RE REPLACING THE WINDOWS. THEY'RE NOT ENLARGING THE OPENING OR, UM, THERE, THEY HAVE DIVIDED LIGHTS. UM, THEY HAVE THE SENSE THAT THERE IS A KIND OF A GRID PATTERN, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW. UM, THEY MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THE DETAILS THAT THAT REALLY DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT. I JUST I'LL SOFTEN MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS. I WAS NOT INTENDING TO, TO MAKE THOSE REMARKS ABOUT THE OWNER, BUT REALLY ABOUT THE WINDOW COMPANY WHO SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ONE WINDOW AND UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE A NEW WINDOW LOOK THE SAME. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE WINDOWS AS INSTALLED. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSITION. OKAY. IT'S UNANIMOUS THE WINDOW. OKAY. I'M LOOKING OKAY. WE HAVE, I BELIEVE [3C.12. HR 20-113802 – 223 E. 6th Street – Discussion Sixth Street Historic District Council District 9 (Part 2 of 2)] OUR NEXT ITEM IS SEATS FALL TWO 23 EAST SIXTH STREET. THIS IS WHERE, UM, THE OWNER AND HIS ARCHITECT HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS TO SOME DEGREE, PLEASE. UM, LET THE STAFF GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON THE CASE. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, ITEM C 12 IS A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A ROOF DECK AT TWO 23 EAST SIXTH STREET. UM, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED THAT PROPOSED DECK IS TWO STORIES, UH, WITH A SEMI ENCLOSED, UH, FIRST STORY AND AN OPEN SECOND, UH, WITH A FLAT ROOF IT'S CLAD IN, IN STUCCO AND GLASS. AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY A METAL GUARDRAIL. THE GUARDRAIL MEETS THE PARAPET AT THE SECONDARY ELEVATION AND IT'S SET BACK, UH, ALMOST 45 FEET FROM THE MAIN ELEVATION AT SIXTH STREET. UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS A, ONE-STORY A COMMERCIAL WALK CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN 1872 AND 1885. ITS FIRST OWNERS WERE A SERIES OF GROCERS WHO ALL OPERATED FROM BOTH HOUSES. THE SHOP FROM 1891 TO 1900 BENJAMIN SMITH AND WILLIAM BRADY RAN THEIR SUCCESSFUL FOOD AND SHOE BUSINESS FROM ONE HALF OF THE BUILDING WHILE RENTING THE OTHER HALF TO DEAN AND DEAN GROCERS IN 1900 GROCERIES, DEAN AND WALLING, ONCE AGAIN, TOOK OVER THE ENTIRE STATE. THEY SOLD GROCERIES, LIQUOR, COFFEE AND CROCKERY UNTIL 1905. WHEN RB WALLING TRANSITIONED THE BUSINESS TO DRY GOODS, SALES ONLY WALLING SOUL TO BONE SHELBY DRY GOODS IN 1909, UH, SHALL BE RENOVATED THE BUILDING FACADE AND SPLIT THE BUILDING WITH THE PROFIT SHARING STAMP COMPANY WHO LEFT AROUND 1922 SHALL BE REMODELED ONCE AGAIN IN 1929. UM, BUT THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS SHORTLY THEREAFTER DURING THE DEPRESSION IN 1935, UH, SYRIAN TEXTS AND BUSINESSMEN ASSAD K HAGE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND RAN THE HAGE DEPARTMENT STORE FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS. HE REWORKED THE BUILDING'S FACADE AT THE TIME OF ITS PURCHASE. UM, AND THEN GROANERS DEPARTMENT STORE REMOVED [02:00:01] THE PARTITION BETWEEN EACH HALF THE BUILDING IN 1959. UM, CONSOLIDATING IT ONCE AGAIN INTO ONE RETAIL SPACE. UM, AS WE'VE HEARD THIS PROJECT CAME BEFORE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, SEVERAL TIMES IN 2020, UM, OUR COMMITTEE FEEDBACK INCLUDED TO REDUCE VISUAL INTACT BY LOWERING THE PENTHOUSE FRUITS LINE, EMPHASIZE AND CORRESPOND TO REALITY AND THE DESIGN AND UTILIZING DEEP SETBACKS AND TO TAKE MATERIAL AND SPATIAL CUES FROM A PREVIOUS DESIGN APPROVED BY THE CONDITION IN 2014. AND THE APPLICANT HAS INCORPORATED SOME OF THE COMMITTEE FEEDBACK. SO IT'S NOT BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT THE COMMISSION COMMENT ON THE PLANS CONCURRING WITH COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UM, TO RELEASE THE PERMIT WITH THE DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE? COMMISSIONER BELEN SUELA I MOVED THAT WE FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THIS DESIGN. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER? ANY DISCUSSION I'D LIKE TO YEAH. COMMISSIONER HANDSET. OKAY. UH, I THINK THIS IS A PERSON I'VE WANTED TO DRAW OUT. THE COMMENTS FROM THE ARCHITECT IS THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M HOPING WILL BE A BETTER OUTCOME FOR A LOT OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON VERY VALUABLE PROPERTIES. AND WE'VE HAD IN FRONT OF US IN 2020, 20 A NUMBER OF CASES WHERE THINGS THAT WERE ADDED TO AN EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING, PARTICULARLY IN THE AIRSPACE ABOVE, UM, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE NOT RESPECTFUL OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE DONE BY SCALING DOWN. BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK THE CHOICE OF MATERIALS AND SOME THAT I HAVE TO SAY IS PROBABLY SOME MODEST, BUT APPROPRIATE ADJUSTMENT TO THE PROGRAM MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE A SUCCESS. I THINK THIS IS THE KIND OF THING I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, AND PUTTING COURAGE. UH, IT'S IT SEEMS VERY ODD TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IDEALLY WE WOULD HAVE THAT BUILDING RESTORED, UH, AND PRESERVED AS IS. I THINK THE REALITY IS, IS THAT SOME ADDITIONS ARE GOING TO BE NECESSARY, BUT, UH, I REALLY WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING WHEN IT'S DONE CAN WORK. BUT, UH, I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND ALSO NOT THE SAME AS SOME OF THE BASICALLY SCALED BUSTERS THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION. UH, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO JUST BE VERY AWARE OF THESE KINDS OF PRESSURES, RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK FOR, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T HERE OR, OR DON'T RECALL THIS PROJECT LOOK MORE LIKE A STEPPED PARAPET, STEPPED PYRAMID, I'M SORRY, OR A WEDDING CAKE, UM, THAN IT DOES NOW. AND IT WAS, AND IT WAS VERY, UM, IT WAS, SEEMED VERY LARGE IN, IN YOUR FACE. AND I THINK, UM, I THINK A LOT OF CREDIT IS DESERVED, UM, THAT WE SHOULD, THAT KEVIN COOK AND BETH VALANZUELA DESERVE SOME CREDIT FOR HELPING, UH, THE ARCHITECT AND THE OWNERS, UM, REALIZE THIS PLAN THAT CAME BEFORE US TONIGHT, ANY FURTHER, JUST YES, COMMISSIONER FELONS AWAY. I JUST WANT TO ECHO THOSE COMMENTS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ARCHITECT'S WORK, UM, IN GETTING US TO THIS POINT, UH, THIS IS WITHIN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GET TO THIS POINT. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GREAT, UM, JUST, UH, DESIGN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCESSIONS ON BOTH SIDES. SO I JUST REALLY THINK THIS IS A GOOD OUTCOME FOR THIS CASE. YEAH. MY STARTING PLACE FOR THIS AS ALWAYS NO ROOFTOP DECK. SO THERE WAS SOME COMPROMISE. GIVE ME A, A LITTLE, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. I, WHEN I OPENED UP THE BACKUP FOR THIS PROJECT, I STARTED WITH THE ORIGINAL PLANS THAT I MADE A TON OF NOTES. AND THEN I REALIZED THAT THAT WAS THE FIRST PHASE AND PRETTY MUCH ALL OF MY COMMENTS HAD BEEN ADDRESSED. I THINK THIS WAS A REALLY SUCCESSFUL COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE ARCHITECT AND ARCHITECTURE COMMITTEE. AND I APPRECIATE THEIR WORK ON BOTH SIDES. I THINK IT'S, I'M NOT USUALLY A FAN OF ADDITIONS ON TOP OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT I THINK THAT IS A VERY THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED ONE THAT TAKES EVERYTHING WE'D LIKE TO INTO ACCOUNT. AND I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB. WELL, I I'D ALSO BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T CREDIT THE ARCHITECT AND THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS, UM, TO ENVISION, UH, DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES TO [02:05:01] WHAT THEY CAME IN WITH. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL COME IN WITH THEIR PLANS TO PUT SECOND AND THIRD STORIES ON JUST RIGHT UP FROM THE FRONT WALLS, STRAIGHT UP IN THE AIR, ON YOUR BUILDINGS, UH, EVEN ON LANDMARK BUILDINGS. AND THEY SAY THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT. AND THIS APPLICANT AND HIS ARCHITECT, UM, WERE, WERE WILLING TO MAKE THE COMPROMISE AND THE ADJUSTMENTS. AND I THINK, I THINK WE MAY BE ABLE TO LOOK TO THIS PROJECT, UM, IN WHEN WE HAVE FUTURE APPLICATIONS FOR SIMILAR, UM, ROOFTOP DECKS OR WHATEVER. WHAT HAVE YOU. OKAY. UM, CAN WE TAKE A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND ANY OPPOSED IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. DO WE? WHAT'S OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. OH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO PASS OVER IT. THESE [3D.7. PR-20-183612 – 1601 Brackenridge Street – Discussion Council District 9 (Part 2 of 2)] SEVEN IS 1601 BRACKENRIDGE STREET. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS PROPERTY DOES APPLICATION HAS COME BEFORE US STAFF. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UH, AND YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S COME ACROSS. THIS IS A 1915 CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW. IT'S A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW DESIGN AND ACTUALLY FAIRLY EARLY, UH, DESIGNED FOR THIS STYLE. IT WAS EITHER BUILT FOR, OR IMMEDIATELY MOVED INTO, UH, BY TWO TEACHERS AT THE TEXAS SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF WILLIAM DAVIS AND HIS WIFE. LEDDY, UH, BOTH OF THEM TAUGHT AT THE TEXAS SCHOOL OF THE DEAF FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UM, AND LIVED IN THIS HOUSE UNTIL 1947 WHEN WILLIAM PASSED AWAY. UH LEDDY AT THAT POINT, MOVED BACK TO HER OLD NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST AUSTIN, WHERE SHE LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM HER SISTER FOR, UH, ABOUT ANOTHER 20 YEARS AFTER THAT THIS HOUSE IS VERY SIGNIFICANT IN AUSTIN'S HISTORY AND ESPECIALLY THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, SOUTH AUSTIN, AS IT RELATES TO THE TEXAS SCHOOL, THE DEAF, UH, THIS WAS REALLY AN UNUSUAL PLACEMENT FOR A BIG STATE INSTITUTION, LIKE THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF. THIS WAS, UH, SOUTH OF THE RIVER. AND WHEREAS WHEN YOU THINK OF EVERY OTHER INSTITUTION ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE, EVERYTHING WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE. SO THE TEXAS SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF REALLY HAD AN IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE LIVE IN CLOSE BY TO IT THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF, AND ALSO HAD A BIG IMPACT BACK ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS, UH, THIS HOUSE IS OCCUPIES A VERY PROMINENT LOCATION IN SOUTH BOSTON. UH, I THINK MANY PEOPLE DRIVE PAST IT EVERY DAY ON THE SIDE STREET IN PARTICULAR. UH, IT HAS SUFFERED SOME DETERIORATION, IN FACT, A GREAT DEAL OF DETERIORATION. AND I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO MR. GONZALEZ, I DO NOT HAVE YOUR STRUCTURAL REPORT ANYWHERE WHILE THIS MEETING'S BEEN GOING ON. I CHECKED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS IT SOMEHOW, BUT, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS THANKS TO YOU AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS HOUSE, UH, FROM A PRESERVATION PERSPECTIVE. OKAY. I THINK THAT NOT JUST MYSELF, BUT THE ATTORNEY COMMISSION SHOULD REVIEW YOUR REPORT. AND IN LIGHT OF, IS THERE POTENTIAL TO, UH, RESTORE THIS HOUSE? IT'S CLEAR IT HAS SUFFERED A GREAT DEAL OF DETERIORATION. THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FOUNDATION DEFINITELY APPEARS TO HAVE FAILED. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WOOD ROCK ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. AND, UH, ONE OF THE WINDOWS NEXT TO THE CHIMNEY, YOU LOOK IN YOUR BACKUP COMMISSIONERS, IT'S THE PHOTO DOESN'T REALLY CAPTURE IT VERY WELL, BUT, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF SNAGGING THERE. I THINK THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ANSWERED BEFORE MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS HOUSE ARE WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET IT BACK TO A STABLE SITUATION WHERE IT COULD BE REHABBED, UH, AND REUSED THAT IT, UH, IT WAS, UH, THIS IS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, TWO VERY PROMINENT TEACHERS, WILLIAM TODD, AND THE HIGH SCHOOL [02:10:01] DIVISION OF THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF AND LET HE TAUGHT IN THE PRIMARY DIVISION OF THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF. AND THIS WAS ALL DURING A PERIOD WHERE DEAF EDUCATION TOOK A HUGE TURN AND WENT FROM THE TEACHING OF SIGN LANGUAGE TO, UH, WHAT THEY CALLED ORALISM, WHICH WAS BASED ON LIP READING. AND MANY STUDENTS DID NOT SUCCEED IT WITH READING. AND THESE TWO TEACHERS WERE SOME OF THAT. SOME OF THE TEACHERS AT THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF THAT TOOK ON OF THOSE STUDENTS AND MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY THROUGH SIGN LANGUAGE OR WHAT THEY CALLED MANUAL TEACHING. UH, SO THEY BOTH, THEY BOTH ARE VERY IMPORTANT IN DEAF EDUCATION. THE HOUSE IS ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT ABSENT ITS CONDITION. THIS HOUSE WOULD CLEARLY QUALIFY AS A HISTORIC LAND FOR ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS. SO I THINK IT IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO POSTPONE UNTIL NEXT MONTH AND RECEIVED THE INFORMATION, BUT ALSO WITH, WITH AN IDEA AS TO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BRING THIS HOUSE BACK TO A STABLE CONDITION WHERE IT COULD BE REHABILITATED AND RESTORED, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. UM, MR. SADOWSKY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SCHOOL HAS BEEN OWNED BY, UH, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN OWNED BY THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL SINCE THE 1980S. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG, UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE, THE LAND JUST SOLD OR THE PROPERTY JUST SOLD IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, GINO. YES. IT'S BEEN THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL SINCE THE EARLY 1980S. IT WAS A NURSERY SCHOOL AND KINDERGARTEN FOR, WELL, BASICALLY SINCE THE MID NINETIES, ACTUALLY LATE 1950S UNTIL THE 1980S, IT WAS UNDER SEVERAL DIFFERENT DIRECTORS. UM, SO AFTER, UH, AFTER LETTY DAVIS MOVED BACK TO HER OLD NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST AUSTIN IN 1947, UH, BY AROUND 1955, IT BECAME A NURSERY SCHOOL AND KINDERGARTEN. AND AT ONE POINT IN THE EARLY FIT HERD, MID 1950S, THE DIRECTOR AND THE MANAGER LIVED ON THE SITE AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I WILL ADD TO THAT THE, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES TO THE HOUSE. UH, THE SANBORN MAPS SHOW THAT IT ORIGINALLY HAD A FULL WIDTH FRONT PORCH, AND IT APPEARS THAT THE FRONT WALL OF THE HOUSE WAS PULLED FORWARD. SO WINDOW, THE FENESTRATION PATTERNS AND WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS ARE DEFINITELY COMPATIBLE WITH THE 1915 CONSTRUCTION DATE. AND THAT APPEARS TO BE THE WAY THAT THEY, THEY DID THAT. THE ONLY OTHER CHANGES TO THE HOUSE, UH, THE DORMER CENTRAL DORMER HAS BEEN ORDERED OVER COOKING. AND THAT COULD BE A WINDOW IT'S HARD TO TELL. AND THEN THERE'S BEEN SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE BACK, MOST LIKELY AS THE, UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT ABOUT THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF, A LOT OF TEACHERS AT THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF LIVED IN THE TRAVEL SITES AREA. THEY COULD JUST WALK ACROSS CONGRESS AVENUE TO GO TO WORK. UM, AND MANY OF THEM HAD, UH, MULTIPLE FUNCTIONS AT THEIR HOMES, THOSE WHO OWN THEIR OWN HOMES. THEY SOMETIMES TOOK IN DEAF STUDENTS AS BORDERS AND HAD SOCIAL GATHERINGS AND THAT SORT OF THING. UM, I WAS, I TRACED THE OCCUPATION OF THE, UM, OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, WILLIAM DAVE DAVIS, I THINK BEFORE HE WAS MARRIED TO LETTIE, UM, BUILT THIS HOUSE. IT, UM, IN 1916, HE SHOWS UP IN THE CITY DIRECTORIES AND HE WAS THE OWNER, UH, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ALWAYS THE CASE FOR SOME OF THE, UH, FOR SOME OF THE TEACHERS, UM, WHO WERE RENTERS HERE, BUT HE WAS A LONG-TERM, UM, 10, UH, LONG-TERM RESIDENTS, A RESIDENT OF TRAVIS HEIGHTS AND HIS WIFE OCCUPIED THE HOUSE FOR, UH, THREE DECADES, UH, BEFORE HE PASSED AWAY. AND, UM, I THINK IS THEIR PRESENCE. THERE IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. THE HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING AND THE PENDING TRAVIS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND ALSO IS USED AS A, [02:15:01] UH, REPRESENTATIVE PROPERTY TYPE FOR THAT NOMINATION. SO I WOULD SUPPORT A POSTPONEMENT, UM, COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH, I CAN MAKE THAT MOTION FOR POSTPONEMENT, BUT I ALSO WANT, BEFORE WE, WE LEAVE THAT ISSUE OF WHAT WE'LL BE ASKING FOR. I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT EVEN JUST FROM THE EVIDENCE WE'RE SEEING IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS YEAH, BETWEEN 2011 AND 2021, SOME OWNER DECIDED TO PUT A BRAND NEW ROOF ON. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU COULD HAVE SOME AREAS OF THE FOUNDATION IN THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION. YOU CERTAINLY HAVE PIECES THAT CAN FAIL, BUT ARE PERFECTLY RESTORABLE. UH, I WOULD BE VERY MINDFUL THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET A REPORT FROM ANY ENGINEER THAT TELLS ME, UH, THERE WAS SOMETHING SO SIGNIFICANT, UH, THAT FAIRLY, IT'S NOT A DEMOLITION PROJECT HERE. UH, I, I CAN SAY PERSONALLY, I'VE RESTORED A LOT WORSE, BUT I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR TO THIS OWNER. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. IT, AND YES, IT HAS PROBLEMS, BUT THAT DOES NOT NEGATE ITS IMPORTANCE NOR THE POTENTIAL FOR BEING ABLE TO PUT IT BACK. UH, AND AGAIN, SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON IT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE, UH, YOUR PREVIOUS OWNER THOUGHT IT WAS A COMPLETE SHAMBLES, BUT ANYWAY, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION FOR POSTPONEMENT. I DO WANT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. IS THERE A SECOND ON THIS MOTION COMMISSIONER, A LITTLE SECOND, SOME MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING, THIS ITEM TO THE FEBRUARY AGENDA, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S, THAT'S IT TO THE FEBRUARY AGENDA COMMISSIONER COOK. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE A COMMENT TO THE ENGINEER THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE FRIGHTENED BY CEDAR PEERS OR TWO BY FOUR ROOF CHOICE. AND, UM, THAT FROM THE LOOKS OF IT, I THINK SOMEONE MAY HAVE COVERED UP SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE WITH THIS, THESE, THESE WIDER PLANK BOARDS ALONG THE EXTERIOR WAYNE'S COAT. I'M NOT GOING TO BE SURPRISED IF IT'S IN PRETTY BAD CONDITION, BUT YOU NEED TO MAKE A VERY STRONG CASE TO US. I BELIEVE BECAUSE I, I DO AGREE THAT IT HAS STRONG HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS AND YOU NEED TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONVINCED. YOU NEED TO CONVINCE PRESERVATION AS THAT YOU CAN'T RESTORE THIS. AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER BAR THAN, UH, SOMEONE WHO WANTS IT TO BE TORN DOWN. OKAY. BACK TO THE MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONEMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED. IT'S A UNANIMOUS DECISION. THIS IS POSTPONE TO THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. [3D.9. PR-20-174961 – 2803 Bonnie Road – Offered for Consent Approval Council District 10 (Part 2 of 2)] DO WE HAVE A 28 OH THREE BONNIE ROAD? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS THE FIRST, I WANT TO START OFF BY THANKING THE NEIGHBORS WHO TESTIFIED ON THIS. IT REALLY SHOWS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE MEETINGS AND LET YOU ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT HOUSES LIKE THIS ARE TOO. I'M VERY GRATIFIED TO SEE THAT THESE NEIGHBORS TOOK TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY TO LET YOU KNOW THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE. AND I FULLY AGREE WITH THEM. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST CHARMING HOUSES IN TARRYTOWN. IT WAS BUILT IN 1938. IT'S A BROOKLYN EARED TUDOR REVIVAL HOUSE. IT'S GOT THE STEEPLY PITCHED, UH, ENTRY GABLE OVER THE, UH, OVER THE FRONT DOOR. IT'S GOT THE EXTERIOR CHIMNEY. UH, THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS HOUSE IS NOT STRUCTURALLY SOUND. UH, IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE OF ITS CONDITION. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, I THINK, DISCUSS BECAUSE TARRYTOWN, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET A SURVEY DONE IN TARRYTOWN. SO WE REALLY HAVE NO WAY OF COMPARING THIS HOUSE TO ANY OF THE OTHER TUTOR, REVIVALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND ACTUALLY IN ANY SORT OF, UH, COMPARISON AND ARCHITECTURE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO QUANTIFIABLY VERIFY. UH, THIS HOUSE IS CHARMING AND TUTOR REVIVAL WAS ONE OF THE MOST PREVALENT STYLES IN TARRYTOWN AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS BEING DEVELOPED IN THE 1930S. SO IT REPRESENTS A CHAPTER IN TARRYTOWN HISTORY AND, UH, THAT, [02:20:01] THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE IF THIS HOUSE IS DEMOLISHED. UH, THE HISTORY OF THIS HOUSE DOES NOT REALLY LEND ITSELF TO A STRONG CASE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION TO PRESERVE IT. UH, IT WAS BUILT IN 1938, FRANK D AND HOLLY LLOYD LIVED HERE UNTIL 1940. HE WAS A STOREKEEPER FOR THE CITY, UH, AND THEY HAD LIVED ON PATTERSON AVENUE BEFORE THIS, AND THEY MOVED BACK TO PATTERSON AVENUE. AFTER LIVING HERE, A WIDOW BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN THE MID 1940S, UH, AND A SALESMAN AND HIS WIFE ARE LISTED IN THE LATE 1940S AND EARLY 1950S. THEN BEN, BEN, FRANKLIN REICHERT, AND HIS WIFE I'VE, UH, BOUGHT THE HOUSE AROUND 1953 AND LIVED HERE UNTIL, UH, AT LEAST THE MID 1970S. UH, BOTH OF THEM CAME FROM CAMERON, TEXAS, AND MR. REICHERT WAS A SALES REP FOR TAY BACK IN THE 1950S. UH, HE LATER BECAME A RIGHT AWAY AGENT FOR THE TEXAS HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT AND HIS WIFE, IOWA WAS A TYPIST FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WELFARE. IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT LISTED IN ANY SURVEY TO DATE, UH, BUT IT DOES TYPIFY TUTOR, REVIVAL ARCHITECTURE. IT ALSO TYPIFIES THE PERIOD OF DEVELOPMENT IN TARRYTOWN IN THE LATE 1930S, WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO CREATE A MIDDLE TO UPPER MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD USING PERIOD REVIVAL STYLES THAT REPRESENTED THE STRENGTH AND THE STABILITY OF TIME'S PAST, ESPECIALLY THE TUTOR REVIVALS TIME STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT WAS TO ENCOURAGE REHABILITATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE, BUT TO RELEASE THE PERMIT, UH, STAFF IS, IS CHANGING THE RECOMMENDATION NOW TO A POSTPONEMENT, UH, GIVEN THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE NEIGHBORS THIS EVENING. UH, IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS HOUSE MEANS SOMETHING TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAFF BELIEVES THAT A POSTPONEMENT WOULD SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF, UH, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER DEMOLITION OF THIS HOUSE IS NECESSARY OR THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE. SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO POSTPONE UNTIL FEBRUARY. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CASE COMMISSIONER COOK UNDER THE POSTPONED, OUR FEBRUARY 22ND MEETING PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. UM, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, THIS IS A WONDERFUL HOUSE. IT, IT HAS STRONG SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE IT EVERY CHANCE, UH, TO SURVIVE. AND MAYBE WE CAN ASK THE COMMUNITY TO HELP, UM, WITH THE, UH, DOCUMENTATION OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING. UM, IS THERE ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER COOK WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE THOSE THAT, THAT TESTIFIED TO REACH OUT TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, MAYBE GET SOME INPUT ON THAT. THE COMMUNITY VALUE ASPECT OF THIS, ONE OF THE RARELY, RARELY USED ONES, BUT, UH, GIVEN HOW THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT AND SPOKE AND TESTIFIED IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPERTY, UM, THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME WIGGLE ROOM AND COMMUNITY VALUE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS. I AGREE. AND I'M THINKING THAT, UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE, WE, COMMUNITY VALUE IS RESERVED. SOME WE HAVE RESERVED IT FOR PARTICULAR GROUPS OR, UM, SOMETHING OF THAT, UH, THAT MATTER. BUT I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE A CASE FOR COMMUNITY VALUE IN THIS CASE, COMMISSIONER VILLAINS. SUELA. I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT, UM, REQUESTS TO THE COMMUNITY TO, UM, I GUESS BY THE FEBRUARY MEETING TO HELP PLACE THIS TO, TO REVIVAL STYLE WITHIN THE GREATER NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CONTEXT OF, OF TARRYTOWN SO THAT, UM, WE, WE CAN FULLY EVALUATE ITS SIGNIFICANCE, UM, IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE AS WELL. I, I, I AGREE. AND MAYBE WE CAN PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKE THAT A CHARGE TO THE, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO MR. SEDOWSKY SAID THAT THIS IS, THIS WAS ONE OF THE IMPORTANT [02:25:01] STYLES, UH, INTERIOR CHALLENGE IN THE EARLY DEVELOPMENT PHASE OF, OF TARRYTOWN, BUT AS ONE OF THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, RESIDENTS POINTED OUT, THEY ARE GOING, UM, ARE DISAPPEARING. EVEN AS WE SPEAK, WE WAKE UP ONE DAY AND THE HA THE CHARMING HOUSE ACROSS STREET IS GONE. AND I THINK THAT, UM, WHILE IT MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE MAIN ARCHITECTURAL TYPES, I THINK ITS DAYS ARE NUMBERED, UM, IN TARRYTOWN. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SUPPORT, UH, ON THIS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMENTS. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER POP UP. THE CELIA IS OPPOSED. THE MOTION CARRIES. THE [3D.10. PR-20-186435 – 1904 Mountain View Road – Discussion Council District 10 (Part 2 of 2)] NEXT ITEM IS D 10 1904 MOUNTAIN VIEW ROAD. YES. COMMISSIONER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS INITIALLY WAS TO EITHER POSTPONE OR INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING, UH, BEFORE WE EVEN HAD THE INFORMATION FROM MR. READER AND MS. MARTIN ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE CONSTRUCTION. THIS, THIS HOUSE ALSO HAS VERY SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS WITH EDMUND, RATHER, WHO WAS THE MANAGER OF THE TEXAS CO-OP FOR MANY YEARS. SO HERE, UH, I I'M VERY GRATIFIED TO HEAR THAT THE OWNER IS AGREEABLE TO A POSTPONEMENT AND, UH, WOULD BE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO POSTPONE IT AND ALLOW THESE CONVERSATIONS TO CONTINUE. THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CASE COMMISSIONER COOK OR A FEBRUARY 22ND MEETING FOR THE OWNER REQUEST? IS THERE A SECOND? I'M GONNA CALL THAT FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER JACOB, UH, SECOND HAD THE MOTION AND CONFIRMED BY GIVING ME A THUMBS UP, UH, ANY DISCUSSION. I'M GLAD THAT I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE APPLICANT HAVE WILLING TO POSTPONE AND LEARN MORE ABOUT, UM, THIS UNIQUE HOUSE. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSITION IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. IS THAT IT FOR SECTION D? I BELIEVE IT IS. IT IS. WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, BUT THAT PASSED ON CONSENT TO KEEP IT ON OUR AGENDA. THEN WE HAVE, UM, F DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR TAX ABATEMENT FOR REHABILITATION OF A PROPERTY AND A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. CAN STAFF TELL US ABOUT THIS? UH, NOT IN THE CHAIR. UM, WE HAVE THAT AS A CONSENT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. UM, IT PASSED EARLIER. I'M SORRY. DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST APPLICATION FOR, UM, TAX ABATEMENT ON A REHABILITATION? NOPE. I MUST HAVE HEARD WRONG. OKAY. WE GO [4A. Selection of a nominee to the Austin Economic Development Corporation (AEDC) board] ON TO COMMISSION AND STAFF ITEMS. UM, I'M FOR THE SELECTION OF A NOMINEE TO THE BOSTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. AEDC UM, THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE MET LAST WEEK. WE HAD THREE OUTSTANDING CANDIDATES, UM, FOR A POSITION ON THIS BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION, FOR A POSITION ON THIS BOARD, INCLUDING OUR OWN BEN-HAIM SETH. I CAN HARDLY LOOK AT YOU. UM, AND THEY SUBMITTED, UH, APPLICATIONS, THEIR RESUMES, UH, BIO, UH, TALKED ABOUT THEIR INTERESTS. WE HAD ESSENTIALLY THE SAME QUESTIONS FOR EACH, UH, EACH OF THE NOMINEES. THEY WERE, UM, ALISON MCGHEE, BEN-HAIM [02:30:01] SETH AND BRAD, UH, PATTERSON. AND, UM, IT WAS A HARD CHOICE BECAUSE ESPECIALLY BECAUSE COMMISSIONER WAS, HAD EXPRESSED EARLY ON HIS ENTHUSIASM AND WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ON, ON THIS BOARD. BUT IN THE END, WE, UM, WE VOTED TO RECOMMEND RED PATTERSON IN, IN YOUR BACKUP IS HIS BIO AND RESUME. HE'S THE DIRECTOR OF, UH, COMMUNITY HERITAGE PROGRAMS AT THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND HAS, HAS A STRONG PRESERVATION BACKGROUND AND HAS WORKED WITH, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ALL OVER THE STATE IN THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM AND WITH CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF CARRIED THE DAY WAS HIS EXPERIENCE IN PLACES OTHER THAN AUSTIN, THAT HE COULD BRING, UM, TO THAT POSITION AND HIS STRONG, UM, HIS STRONG PRESERVATION BACKGROUND, BUT ALSO HIS SUCCESS IN THE MAIN STREET. UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ABLE TO PERSUADE. HE SAID, UH, RATHER THAN, UM, TWIST ARMS THAT HE CONVINCED, UM, DEVELOPERS, THAT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING. AND, UM, AND THE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE THING TO INCORPORATE PRESERVATION, UM, INTO THEIR, INTO THEIR PROJECTS. AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, TO PUT FORTH, UH, RED PATTERSON'S NAME FOR POSITION ON THIS BOARD. UM, AND I WONDERED IS THERE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF US ABOUT THE PROCESS ABOUT THE APPLICANTS, UM, COMMISSIONER PABLO, THE CELIO AND COMMISSIONER VALANCE SUELA AND I WERE ON THE, ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE ON, AND WHICH WAS, UH, OPEN TO EVERYONE. UM, PEOPLE, EACH CANDIDATE COULD HEAR THE OTHERS, UH, PRESENTATIONS AND QUESTIONS. WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS, UH, AS TRANSPARENT AND OPEN A DISCUSSION AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND I THINK THAT IT, I THINK THAT IT WAS FAIR. UM, I TRIED TO GET TWO POSITIONS AND, AND WAS INFORMED BY STAFF THAT, UM, WE ONLY HAD ONE SEAT, SO I'VE KNOWN BRAD PATTERSON FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS. UM, AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET HIM INVOLVED IN LOCAL PRESERVATION, UH, PROJECTS FOR ALL THOSE ALMOST 30 YEARS, MAYBE 25 YEARS, I'M OLDER THAN HE HAS. UM, AND HE'S ALWAYS, HE'S BEEN APPROACHED IN THE PAST TO APPLY FOR, UH, AN APPOINTMENT TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, BUT HAS, HAS THOUGHT THAT HE MIGHT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST SINCE HE WORKS FOR THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. BUT IN THIS CASE HE WOULD NOT BE, UH, UH, A COMMISSION MEMBER. HE WOULD BE AN OUTSIDE, UM, MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO BE A LIAISON BETWEEN THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND THE, AND THE COMMISSION, UM, COMMISSIONER OF, OF THE CPU OR, UH, BALANCED SUELA. WOULD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR SUBTRACT? OKAY. DO WE COMMISSION HER HIND? SETH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR SUBTRACT? YES, SIR. WELL, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST ASK THE STAFF. IS, IS IT GOING TO BE A VOTE TO RATIFY THE NOMINATION? IS THAT THE PROCESS? OKAY, THAT'S CORRECT. SO, UH, IS IT APPROPRIATE THEN FOR ME TO MAKE COMMENTS, UH, OR DO I, SHOULD I WITHDRAW MY NOMINATION SO THAT IT WON'T BE PERCEIVED AS BEING A CONFLICT? WELL, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NEED FOR YOU TO WITHDRAW YOUR NOMINATION. UM, I, I DON'T, PERHAPS YOU SHOULD ABSTAIN FROM THE VOTE. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE THOUGHTS ON WHAT'S APPROPRIATE HERE, BUT, UM, NO, YOU CERTAINLY DON'T NEED TO WITHDRAW YOUR NOMINATION. OKAY. WELL, AND I, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE, UH, DECISION OF THE COMMITTEE AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THIS. UM, I LOOK FORWARD FRANKLY, TO WORKING WITH BRAD, AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE AND BACKGROUND THAT WE'RE DRAWING UPON FOR THE BENEFIT OF PRESERVATION, WHICH IS THAT OUR REPRESENTATIVES SHOULD BE DOING. UM, SO, UH, [02:35:01] WHAT I HOPE TO DO SINCE, UH, MY INTEREST ALSO IS OPENING UP NEW AVENUES, UH, IS TO DRAW UPON EXPERIENCE FROM PEOPLE LIKE BRAD. UH, AND SEE IF WE CAN STILL PUSH THIS GROUP TO HELP US WITH SOME OF THESE IDENTIFIED PERENNIAL PROBLEMS. UH, THIS IS A NEW ENTITY IT'S NOT MOVING AROUND IN AUSTIN, BUT OTHER CITIES DO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY. SO, UH, THE POINT I'M GOING TO MAKE IS, UH, I, I WILL SUPPORT, UH, THE VOTE VOTE, AND I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF US TO BE WORKING WITH HIM. I APPRECIATED THAT HE MADE THE COMMITMENT TO COME BACK AND REPORT TO US REGULARLY. UH, HOWEVER, I THINK I'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH HIM. I CERTAINLY MAY AT TIMES, UH, BE ABLE TO STEP IN ON HIS BEHALF IF HE IS BUSY, BECAUSE I THINK I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT MOST OF THE PROCEEDINGS, AND OF COURSE, IF HE GETS BUSY AND CAN'T CONTINUE HIS TERM, I WOULD HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WOULD CONSIDER ME AS A BACKUP FOR TOTAL TRANSPARENCY HERE. I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE KNOWN YOU FOR 30 YEARS, UM, GOING BACK TO, UH, THE HYDE PARK BAPTIST CHURCH NEGOTIATIONS IN WHICH YOU WERE THE VOICE OF REASON AND STABILITY, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, AND THE CHURCH. SO, UM, IT'S, UH, I DIDN'T HAVE A LONGEVITY, DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, UM, TO WORK TOWARDS OUR COMMON GOALS HERE, UM, IN THE FUTURE. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, I GUESS RATIFY THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE TO YES. COMMISSIONER WRIGHT? IS THAT A MOTION? DO I HEAR A SECOND? I HEAR A SECOND FROM KELLY, LITTLE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PUTTING BRAD PATTERSON'S NAME FOR WORD AS, AS OUR NOMINEE, RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? I SEE YOU WERE A LITTLE LATE ON THAT COMMISSIONER. I'M SET, JUST, I'M GETTING, I'M JUST GETTING OKAY. IT'S UNANIMOUS. UM, WE'LL PUT, UH, STAFF, CAN YOU, UM, HELP US THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THIS, UH, NAME FORWARD ALONG WITH HIS CREDENTIALS AND BIO AND OTHER ITEMS, UM, THAT CONVINCED US THAT, UM, THAT HE WOULDN'T BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THIS BOARD. CERTAINLY I DRAFTED A RECOMMENDATION THAT IS IN YOUR BACKUP, AND SO THAT WILL BE FINALIZED AND FORWARDED ALONG WITH THE OTHER DOCUMENTATION TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIVISION. THEY'LL SHARE IT INITIALLY WITH THE AUSTIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, INTERIM BOARD FOR RATIFICATION, AND THEN IT ULTIMATELY GOES TO CITY COUNCIL LATER IN FEBRUARY FOR THEM TO ADOPT. SO THERE'S STILL A COUPLE MORE STEPS, BUT WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED. UM, DO WE, I'M SORRY. I KIND OF SKIPPED OVER THE, UM, WE HAD A DRAFT RESOLUTION DO, UH, CAN WE HEAR THAT DRAFT RESOLUTION NOW? DO WE NEED TO, UH, TAKE ACTION ON IT OR WILL IT COME BACK TO US OR WHAT I BELIEVE THE ACTION YOU JUST TOOK TO PUT FORWARD? UH, BRAD PATTERSON IS THE NOMINEE IS, UM, WHAT THE RESOLUTION STATES. SO I BELIEVE YOU, THANK YOU. UM, PRESERVATION, [4B. Historic Preservation Office process for demolition or relocation permit applications for property owned by religious organizations] HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE PROCESS FOR DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION PERMIT APPLICATIONS FOR PROPERTY OWNED BY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS. YES, THIS IS A MEMORANDUM THAT I PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION EARLIER IN THE MONTH. AND WE'VE POSTED THIS BACK UP. UH, THIS HAS BEEN A BIT OF A LONG TIME COMING AND, UH, 2019, THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UH, THE, UM, TEXAS LEGISLATURE THROUGH HOUSE BILL 24 96, AMENDED THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION THAT ENABLES LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS. UH, THIS IS THE BILL THAT ADDED THE SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT TO OWN YOUR OPPOSED LANDMARK DESIGNATION. UH, THIS BILL ALSO REQUIRES THAT, UH, WE MUST HAVE OWNER CONSENT TO PURSUE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF A PROPERTY OWNED BY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION. UM, WE HAD EXTENSIVE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS, BOTH WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENTS AND WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT REGARDING HOW TO RECONCILE THIS BILL WITH, UH, THE RESOLUTION FROM 2016 FROM CITY COUNCIL, WHICH REQUIRES THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE [02:40:01] REFER ALL APPLICATIONS FOR DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION OF PROPERTIES WITH A CIVIC USE, INCLUDING, UM, ECCLESIASTICAL, UM, CHURCHES, UH, OTHER HOUSES OF WORSHIP ARE THINGS THAT WE BRING, UM, TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION WITHOUT STAFF, UM, ENTER RECEDING AND DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT WE FEEL THAT THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF LANDMARK DESIGNATION. THESE ARE, UH, BUILDING TYPES THAT GENERALLY ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH IN THEIR COMMUNITIES THAT THEY DESERVE A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, SO WE HAD TO RECONCILE THAT DIRECTIVE FROM COUNCIL WITH THIS NEW STATE LAW. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE STATE LAW REALLY REMOVES BUILDINGS OWNED BY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS FROM THIS PROCESS. I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT FORMER CHURCHES AND FORMER HOUSES OF WORSHIP, WE STILL WILL BRING TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. UH, BUT THIS APPLIES TO ANYTHING THAT REMAINS IN THE OWNERSHIP OF A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION WHEN THEY'RE SEEKING THE DEMOLITION PERMIT. UH, THE OUTCOME IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION. WE CANNOT RECOMMEND IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL THAT A PROPERTY RECEIVE A LANDMARK DESIGNATION WHEN STATE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW THAT. UH, WE ALSO HAVE TO RECONCILE THOSE WITH, UM, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH SETS A TARGET OF FIVE BUSINESS DAYS, UH, FOR STAFF TO EITHER RELEASE A PERMIT APPLICATION ADMINISTRATIVELY OR TO MAKE A REFERRAL TO THE COMMISSION. UM, SO IN ORDER TO RECONCILE THESE COMPETING OBJECTIVES, UM, WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO IS TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE ALL APPLICATIONS FOR DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION OF A BUILDING OWNED BY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION WITHOUT FIRST SCHEDULING A HEARING AT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AT THE NEXT MEETING OF THE HLC STAFF WILL PROVIDE THE COMMISSION WITH A BRIEFING REGARDING ANY SUCH ACTIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN. UM, I DO KNOW FROM EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE, UH, FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, SINCE SENDING THAT MEMORANDUM, UH, YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THESE CASES AND CERTAINLY STAFF APPRECIATES THAT, UH, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO SEND EMAILS THAT ALERT, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO A DEMOLITION PERMIT SAYS WE RECEIVED THEM. UM, BUT OUR, OUR KIND OF FORMAL WAY OF PRESENTING THIS TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND TO THE PUBLIC WILL BE THROUGH THESE BRIEFINGS. UM, MS. KAY, WAS THERE A CASE, UH, WAS THERE A PARTICULAR CASE THAT INITIATED THIS MOVE BY THE STATE OR CASES THAT YOU KNOW OF? I BELIEVE IT WAS RELATED TO DAVID CHAPEL, WHICH IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH, UM, A REZONING PROCESS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH. THIS ONE THAT I FOLLOWED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I ALERTED THE COMMISSION MEMBERS TO THIS BEING A CONCERN, AND I APPRECIATE THE STAFF WORKING WITHIN OUR PROCESS TO TRY TO MAKE WHATEVER WE CAN WITH A VERY BAD SITUATION THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. UH, WE NEED TO WORK ON MAINTAINING THE, UH, JUST THE INTEGRITY OF THE PRESERVATION PROGRAM. THIS, THIS LOOPHOLE FOR CHURCHES, UM, MAKES NO SENSE IF WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO PRESERVE THE CULTURAL AND ARCHITECTURAL AND OTHER RELATED HERITAGE OF OUR STATE, UH, CHURCHES ARE FUNDAMENTAL TO SO MANY COMMUNITIES ALL ACROSS THE STATE. AND I CAN SEE IN THE LONG RUN, THIS COULD HAVE SOME VERY DEVASTATING EFFECTS AS WE LOSE MAJOR PIECES, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, WHAT I PROBABLY WAS IN RETROSPECT, MAYBE A HASTIER MOVE WITH THE LEGISLATURE. SO WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO WORK ON RESCINDING AT LEAST SOME PORTION OF THIS, OR MAKE SOMETHING MORE USEFUL. IN THE MEANTIME, UH, I DO WANT A CLARIFICATION, UH, MS. BRUMMETT, WERE YOU ABLE TO ALSO ESTABLISH THAT FI YOU HAVE WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF THE APPLICATION? SO WHEN THE APPLICATION IS I'LL, I WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE NOTIFICATIONS COULD BE SENT OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE NOTHING MORE THAN, UH, OUR GOODWILL AND, UH, THE BULLY PULPIT TO, UH, ALLOW APPLICANTS TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES. BUT IF THAT PERMIT IS RELEASED, UH, UPON APPLICATION, I THINK WE LOSE, UH, EIGHT ON THE FIVE DAYS THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE SOME POSITIVE EFFECT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE. RIGHT. AND THAT FIVE DAYS INCLUDES THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THAT APPLICATION TO BE PROCESSED AND TO REACH OUR OFFICE. SO WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO LET, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S [02:45:01] ANY GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO BEFORE THE PERMIT IS RELEASED. YOU'RE RIGHT. I HAVE KIND OF A, UH, TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF. UM, ONE, WAS THERE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS, UM, WORKS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES IN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS, WHERE WE COULD APPLY THE DEMOLITION DELAY? UM, EVEN THOUGH ULTIMATELY WE, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO STOP THE DEMOLITION, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE SEEN EVEN TODAY, SOMETIMES HAVING THE EXTRA TIME CAN HELP BRING ABOUT NEW INFORMATION OR CHANGE, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TO THAT END. UM, AGAIN, EVEN IN CASES, YOU KNOW, WITH OUTSIDE OF NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS, WHERE THERE ISN'T ANY OTHER MECHANISM, UM, WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD AMONGST STAFF AND THE LEGAL STAFF ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT, WE CAN EVEN BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A HEARING TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT IT, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THE OUTCOME GIVEN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE OUTCOME IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION. WE CANNOT RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING AND THESE CASES, UM, OR AT A MINIMUM COUNCIL CAN NOT TAKE UP THOSE CASES AND TAKE A VOTE TO PLACE HISTORIC ZONING WITHOUT VIOLATING STATE LAW. UH, SO IT, IT PUTS US IN A DIFFICULT POSITION WHERE IT WOULD BE HARD TO JUSTIFY, UM, A DELAY BEYOND THAT FIVE BUSINESS DAYS, UH, WHEREBY WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON DEMOLITION REQUEST. UM, IT'S ALSO VERY DIFFICULT TO JUSTIFY THE FEES THAT ARE INCURRED. UM, THERE ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FEES FOR, UH, DOING THE MAILINGS AND POSTING SIGNS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO IF THE COMMISSION CANNOT TAKE ANY MEANINGFUL ACTION TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING, IT, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO JUSTIFY THE PUBLIC HEARING, EVEN IN THOSE CASES, IN AN NR DISTRICT WHERE WE DO HAVE SOME MECHANISM OFFICIAL MECHANISM TO SEE REESTABLISH IT, CORRECT. I'D LIKE TO GET, I'D LIKE TO GET LEGAL ON THAT, TO GET, UH, SOMETHING FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE, WE'RE NOT MAKING, IF THEY'RE IN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, SO, SO THEY CAN AVOID DERRICK'S STEPPED FROM THE 180 DAY DEMOLITION DELAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ELIZABETH RIGHT. UM, A, THE DEMOLITION DELAY, UM, REALLY THE ONLY, THE ONLY REALLY I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PHRASE THIS, UM, SINCE WE CAN'T INITIATE A RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING AND THESE CASES, THAT'S OFTEN SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEKING TO DO WITHIN THAT DEMOLITION DELAY AND WHAT WE WOULD BE SEEKING TO DO OUTSIDE OF NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS, UH, FOR HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES. UH, SO IT REALLY, IT, IT TAKES THE FUNDAMENTAL TOOL OUT OF OUR TOOLBOX THAT WE USE FOR EVALUATING AND CONSIDERING THESE CASES, UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, THERE WERE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS, UH, BOTH WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT AND WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT, THE LAW DEPARTMENT OF VETTED THE LANGUAGE IN THIS MEMO, UH, BEFORE WE SENT IT TO YOU, I CAN CERTAINLY RAISE THE QUESTION OF THE DEMOLITION DELAY AND, UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN ADD TO THIS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THIS IS THE FINAL DIRECTION. CAN WE, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, OKAY. IF WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE A PROPERTY IS IN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT OR IN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, CHURCHES IN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S A CONTRIBUTING AND IT CAN BE DEMOLISHED. WE CAN STILL, UM, WE STILL HAVE PURVIEW OVER ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE. WAS THAT CORRECT? WE WOULD HAVE PURVIEW OVER DEMOLITIONS OF CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES AND EXISTING LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND I BELIEVE IN NEW LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS SOLELY FOR, UM, LANDMARK DESIGNATION. AND SINCE THAT'S THE LENS THAT WE USE TO EVALUATE DEMOLITION CASES WHEN THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THAT IS WHERE, UM, THIS WITH GOVERN, BUT WITHIN LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES, WE WOULD STILL HAVE REVIEW AUTHORITY, COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA, I GUESS THAT WAS THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE IT, [02:50:01] IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TRIGGER IS, IS THE RELIGIOUS, UH, INSTITUTION DOES NOT AGREE TO THE DESIGNATION. IF THEY WERE CONTRIBUTING WITHIN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT OR A LOCAL DISTRICT, THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AGREED TO THAT CONTRIBUTING STATUS. SO WE WOULD HAVE REVIEW OVER IT BECAUSE THEY DID PREVIOUSLY AGREE TO THAT DESIGNATION. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE AGREED TO IT IF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS ARE OR PROPERTY OWNERS OF OUT OUTWEIGHED THEM IN TERMS OF A PERCENTAGE OF OWNERSHIP. I SEE. SO THEY STILL COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE OPPOSED IT, UM, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, I JUST RESPONSE TO BY COMMISSIONER MELONS, WE SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN A CHARGE IN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY, TO DENY A DEMOLITION PERMIT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL DEMOLITION DEMOLITION DELAY TOOL, UM, PART OF THE POINT OF WHICH IS TO ALLOW THE COMMUNITY MORE TIME TO TRY AND FIND PART OF IT. AND I THINK THAT BY, UM, TAKING THAT AWAY, WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, IF NOT TO OURSELVES, AS THE COMMISSION, WHAT CONSTITUTION, WHAT CONSTITUTES A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION DOES THE FULAN GONG? UM, IT IS DEFINED IN SECTION 11 POINT 20 OF THE STATE TAX CODE AND THAT, UM, IT'S, IT'S QUOTED, UH, WITHIN THE SECTION OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. AND IN TURN THAT QUOTE IS INCLUDED IN THE MEMO. SO I, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T, UH, WANT TO WEIGH IN, I, I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF, UM, CHURCHES, OTHER HOUSES OF WORSHIP ARE GOING TO QUALIFY AS RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, BUT I COULDN'T NECESSARILY WEIGH IN, IN EVERY CASE. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER HANDSET. OKAY. SO JUST TO KIND OF GO FULL CIRCLE ON THIS, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE, UH, MS. THAT WE COULD GET, UH, UM, EITHER A FOLLOW-UP, UH, BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION, UH, ABOUT AT LEAST THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REVIEWS, IS THAT PROCESS, UM, AND HAVE THAT QUALIFIES IN FUTURE MEETINGS. AND, UM, I ALSO WONDER IF THERE IS SOME MORE ACTIVE ROLE THAT WE CAN PLAY IN COORDINATING WITH OTHER, UH, AGENCIES LIKE OURS ACROSS THE STATE, ALONG WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND PRESERVATION, TEXAS AND OTHER LIKE-MINDED GROUPS. I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PART OF THAT. I, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ORGANIZED ACTIVITY AND MAYBE WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING MORE, UH, PROACTIVELY TO TRY TO ADD OUR VOICES TO THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO CORRECT THIS. I CAN ADDRESS THE FIRST PART. I'LL BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING ON THIS. UM, SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. UM, I WOULD LIKE, I MAY BE LIVING IN A VACUUM, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING AND, UH, UNSURE THAT THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER CITIES AND OTHER COMMISSIONS, UM, IN THE STATE THAT ARE, ARE GOING TO BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AS WELL. UM, I CAN SEE, UM, DEVELOPERS CONVINCING A CONGREGATION TO GET A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THEIR PROPERTY PRIOR TO, UM, SELLING THE PROPERTY. UH, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER, A LITTLE, I'LL JUST ADD, I FIND IT CONCERNING WITH THIS TOO, THAT IT'S ANY, ANY BUILDING OWNED BY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION AND NOT NECESSARILY USED AS WHERE THEY CONDUCT RELIGIOUS CEREMONY. SO IT COULD BE ANY, ANY TYPE OF BUILDING OWNED. IT'S NOT JUST A CHURCH BUILDING IT'S ANYTHING THEY OWN THAT COULD BE LOST WITHOUT REVIEW AND COMMENT BY THE COMMISSION. SO IF THEY OWNED AN APARTMENT BUILDING AS A SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE CONGREGATION HELPED ME. THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT? YEAH. I THINK IN OTHER CITIES, WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGNATION, THEY TAKE A MORE NUANCED APPROACH, UM, NOT IN TEXAS, BUT JUST WITH THE NATION. THEY TAKE A MORE [02:55:01] NUANCED APPROACH TO DESIGNATING, UM, RELIGIOUS BUILDINGS. BUT THIS IS A VERY BLUNT INSTRUMENT, THE WAY THIS, THIS WAS WRITTEN, I SHOULD ADD THAT THERE ARE, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY DEMOLITION PERMITS YET, WHICH IS PART OF HOW THAT, UH, WE'VE COME FROM 2019 WHEN THIS WAS PASSED TO TODAY, WITHOUT THIS MEMO GETTING IN YOUR HANDS. UH, I AM AWARE OF TWO THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE, WHICH I, UM, DID NOT INCLUDE ON THE AGENDA AS A FORMAL BRIEFING, BUT DID WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AS ONES THAT ARE EITHER MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS OR, UM, ARE POTENTIALLY ONES THAT WILL BE COMING. UH, THE FIRST OF THOSE IS, UM, ST AUSTIN CATHOLIC PARISH AT 2026 GUADALUPE. THEY ARE, UH, PLANNING A MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THEIR SITE. UM, THE CHURCH SANCTUARY BUILDING ITSELF IS RETAINED AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. UH, BUT THE REMAINING BUILDINGS, THEY HAVE NEARLY A CITY BLOCK. UH, THE REMAINING BUILDINGS, UM, WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND REDEVELOPED ALONG WITH NEW HOUSING WILL BE CONSTRUCTED. UH, THERE ARE, UM, EXTENSIVE PRESENTATIONS, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT HIDING, UH, ANYTHING THAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO. SO IF YOU WANTED TO SEE WHAT'S BEING PLANNED, UH, IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE AT ST. AUSTIN.ORG, UH, AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN THE SITE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS. UH, SO THEY ARE GETTING THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVED BEFORE THEY WILL FILE FOR THE MILITIA PERMIT FOR THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS. UH, THE SECOND CASE IS THE, UH, WARD MEMORIAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH AT 2015 PARKER LANE, UH, FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES IS CURRENTLY SEEKING FUNDING, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE CHURCH AND WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD TO REDEVELOP THAT SITE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING, UM, SOLID IN HAND AS OF YET, BUT THAT IS A PROJECT THAT MAY BE COMING. UH, THE CHURCH HAS A TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION SUBJECT MARKER, BUT AS NOT A RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE BUILDINGS OF VARIOUS AGES ON THAT SITE. DOES, DOES THIS NAME BILL, UM, RESTRICT RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARKS? THIS BILL, NO. THIS BILL PERTAINS TO MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY TO DESIGNATE PROPERTIES AS HISTORIC LANDMARKS. IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE STATE. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO, WHEN THESE THINGS COME INTO YOUR ORBIT, UM, WE MAY BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO INTERCEDE WITH CHURCHES OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THEY CAN DO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPONSORS OF THIS BILL, KNOW THERE'S THREE DEMOCRATS AND EIGHT, NINE REPUBLICANS. AND I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THE INTENT OF THE DEMOCRATS ON THERE, WHY THEY PUT THIS IS BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT SOME OF THE CHURCHES THAT WILL FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY WERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND DENOMINATION. AND I THINK CHERYL COLE WAS A SPONSOR. AND I THINK IF ANYONE HAS LOCAL CONNECTIONS, THERE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AND GO DEEPER INTO IT BECAUSE I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT, THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY ECONOMIC ISSUES THERE THAT WERE PROTECTED BY THOSE, THEIR CONSTITUENTS IN THAT VIEW. SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE SURFACE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BEING BROUGHT UP IN THIS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW. I DIDN'T KNOW WHO SPONSORED IT. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPETUS WAS FOR IT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I THINK YOUR, YOUR CAT WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS KELLY. OKAY. UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE NOT TAKING, WE'RE NOT ASKED TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS, APPARENTLY. THANK YOU. UM, MOVING [4C.1. Discussion and Possible Action on Committee Reports] ALONG HERE TO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON COMMITTEE REPORTS. UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MET AND A NUMBER OF THE CASES THAT WE, THAT WE HEARD, UH, CAME BEFORE US TONIGHT. AND SOME OF THOSE WERE RESOLVED. WELL, I THOUGHT, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, UM, THEN THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE NET, AS, UM, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, UM, TO INTERVIEW CANDIDATES, [03:00:01] UH, FOR THE PLACE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD, ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR OTHER COMMITTEES TO ME? OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YES. COMMISSIONER COOK TO, TO NOTE, IF YOU WANT, IF PEOPLE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE BACKUP AT THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, WE DID HEAR FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN WATERSHED ABOUT SOME DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT HIM BILL PARK AND ALDRIDGE PLACE, WHICH WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. I DON'T, IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR THEM TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, BUT WE WERE CLEAR ABOUT WANTING TO, UH, TO PRESERVE THAT CENTRAL PARK AND ALDRIDGE PLACE. AND IT COULD BE AN INTERESTING PROJECT COMING DOWN THE PIKE. YEAH. ALDRIDGE PLACE, UM, PART OF THE CHARACTER AND FABRIC OF THE ALDRIDGE PLACE, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT IS, UM, THE CREEK, WHICH IS LYING STONE LINE HAS STONE BRIDGES AND, UM, TAKE OUT AREAS. AND THE, UM, THESE FOLKS CAME TO ASK US, UH, WHAT RESTRICTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE. AND THESE ARE CONTRIBUTING ELEMENTS IN THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO WE SAID, UM, TOO TREAD LIGHTLY. ANYTHING ELSE OF NOTE FROM, FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE? YEAH, IT, WE HAD ANOTHER ISSUE WITH SOMEONE WANTING TO PUT A POOL IN FRONT OF A LANDMARK, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO COME BACK AROUND TO THIS, BUT THERE APPEAR TO BE A SPATE OF THOSE, WHICH, UH, YOU WANT TO PUT TOLLS IN THE FRONT YARD, IN THE FRONT YARD, IN FRONT OF LANDMARKS, WHICH IT WOULD BE A VERY NUANCED THING TO PULL OFF WITHOUT IMPACTING THE APPEARANCE TO THE STREET. YEAH. AND OF COURSE THEY, THEY GET TAX ABATEMENT FOR BEING LANDMARKED, BUT, UM, BUT I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE A POOL IN THE FRONT YARD. UM, OKAY. I WANTED TO REMIND COMMISSIONERS ABOUT HALF OF US, UM, HAVE OUR TERMS, UH, MAYBE UP AT THE END OF FEBRUARY. AND IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR, UM, YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER WHO APPOINTED YOU AND, AND LET THEM KNOW. AND THOSE MEMBERS WHO, UM, WHOSE COUNCIL MEMBER IS NO LONGER ON THE COUNCIL, UM, YOU MAY WANT TO CONTACT THE CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS TAKEN THEIR PLACE AND, UM, AND ASKED TO REMAIN ON THE COMMISSION UNTIL THEY, UNTIL, OR UNLESS THEY FIND A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT, UM, FOR YOU. SO, UH, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE AT HAND THE COMMISSIONER'S WHO'S, UM, WHO'S TERM IS UP NOW AND NEEDS TO DO THAT? YES. UH, ALEX PAPA, CELIO MATTHEW, JACOB, BETH FELON, SUELA TREY MCWHORTER, AND TERRY MYERS AS NOT FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS IT TOLLS FOR SOME OF THE, UM, REACH OUT YOUR, YOUR PRESENCE ON THIS COMMISSION IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. AND I THINK IN, IN SOME CASES YOU MAY, UH, YOU MAY HAVE THOUGHT YOU WERE OUT TOO SOON, BUT IT COULD BE THAT THE NEW, UM, THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBER APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERIENCE, UH, AND, AND KEEP YOU ON THE COMMISSION. UM, IF YOU SO DESIRE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL BACK. AND IF MANY OF YOU DID NOT GET THAT EMAIL FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, UH, PLEASE REACH OUT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND IT TO YOU. I'M PLANNING TO STAY. MY COUNCIL PERSON ALREADY REACHED OUT TO ME. SO I'M GOING TO STAY HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE LONGER, ANY OTHER, UM, ITEMS, ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO LEAVE EARLY. DO I SHARE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING COMMISSIONER, UH, POP UP THE CELIO AND COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA. I THINK SECONDED THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED IT PASSES. [03:05:01] WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. WHEN YOU WALK OUT TO THE . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.