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CRAIG NAYSAYERS HERE, EDWARD, FOR US HERE.
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LISA'S HERE.WITH THAT, I WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
THIS IS ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR MONDAY, MARCH EIGHT.
UH, THE MEETING IS CALLED THE ORDER OF FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS DAVID REALLY QUICKLY.
I'M GETTING MULTIPLE TEXTS FROM PEOPLE SAYING THAT IT'S JUST MUSIC ON THE WEBSITE AND THEY CAN'T SEE VIDEO OR HEAR ANYTHING PUBLICLY.
HEY, Y'ALL SEEMS LIKE ATX ONE WAS A BIT BEHIND, BUT WE'RE ALL GOOD NOW.
[CITIZEN COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]
COMMUNICATION.WE HAVE NO CITIZENS OF COMMUNICATION IN GENERAL.
UH, FIRST SPEAKERS, JOE LET'S STRACCO ON ITEM THREE.
GO AHEAD AND TELL YOU THREE MINUTES OR IF HE QUALIFIED.
UM, MY EXPERIENCE STARTED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN I WENT DOWN TO WEST ENFIELD PARK TO PRESS JUST A LITTLE FLY CASTING.
UM, AND THERE WAS A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR DOGS OFF LEASH.
I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS IN THE PAST, AND PEOPLE HAVE BECOME INCREASINGLY RUDE, UH, ABOUT KEEPING THEIR DOGS ON A LEASH WHEN THEY'RE ASKED OR WHEN THE SIGNAGE IS POINTED OUT TO THEM.
UM, IN FRUSTRATION, I CONTACTED A VARIETY OF PEOPLE AND FINALLY, UH, CONNECTED WITH THIS GROUP.
UH, MY LAST EXPERIENCE, WHICH I WROTE ABOUT, UH, TO, UM, UH, I THINK DAVID AND JOANNE, AS WELL AS, UH, UH, KURT IN, UH, ALISON ALTER'S OFFICE, UM, HAD TO DO WITH, UH, JUST TRYING TO CONTACT SOMEONE TO COME OUT AND, AND, AND SEE THE SITUATION AND PERHAPS TALK TO THE PEOPLE I CALLED THREE, ONE, ONE, UH, THEY DIRECTED ME TO NON-EMERGENCY APD.
UH, WHEN APD FINALLY CONTACTED ME THE NEXT DAY, UH, THEY TOLD ME THAT I SHOULD BE REPORTING TO, UM, CODE VIOLATION OR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT, BUT I CALLED CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, THE PERSON THERE WAS IRATE AND SAID, UH, I SHOULD BE CALLING, UM, ANIMAL CONTROL.
AND OF COURSE, WHEN YOU CALL ANIMAL CONTROL, YOU GET THREE, ONE, ONE.
UM, THIS IS, UM, VERY FRUSTRATING JUST TO TRY TO GET ENFORCEMENT OF BASIC ORDINANCES.
UM, AND, UM, I'M VERY UNHAPPY OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 47 YEARS IN THE SAME HOUSE, JUST NORTH OF WESTERN FIELD PARK.
WE ENJOY THE PARK, OUR GRANDKIDS AND KIDS ENJOY IT, BUT IT'S BECOMING INCREASINGLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO BECAUSE OF A UNPLEASANT, UH, PET OWNERS.
UM, AND AS I PUT IN, UH, AN EMAIL TO, UH, UH, KURT AND COPIED, UH, JOANNE AND DAVID, UM, THE PROBLEM ISN'T THE DOGS, BUT THEY'RE OWNERS, UM, AND THE TAX DOLLARS, WHICH I, AND OTHERS GLADLY PAY FOR USE OF THE PARKS, UH, FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE POLICE AND VARIOUS AGENCIES, BOARDS, AND COMMISSIONS OF THE CITY.
UM, ISN'T, ISN'T WORTH WHAT, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PAYING.
UM, SO I HOPE YOU WILL DO SOMETHING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIKE ANIMALS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THEM WOULD TAKE THEM TO THE PROPER LOCATIONS.
THERE'S A DOG PARK, NOT FAR FROM US ON NINTH STREET.
THANK YOU, JOE PACKED HER UP AND YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY KATIE KENDRICK TURNER.
SO LESS THAN THREE MINUTES, I WAS TOLD THAT LAST MEETING ON THE ANIMAL COMMITTEE.
THAT'S A PRETTY OUT HERE AND DAHLIA FROM LAST MEETING.
WHAT JUST HAPPENED? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
UM, MY NAME IS PAT BUZZ TODAY.
AND I AM CALLING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
ITEM FOUR ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS TO RECONSIDER AN ITEM ON THURSDAYS CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WOULD HAVE PROHIBITED
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USE OF A THING CALLED BACK PACKS, HANDLE PIT ALL HOOK OR DEVICES, SIMILAR DESIGN ON ALL ANIMALS, EXCEPT A HORSE MULE, JACK JANET COW, BOTH DEER HOG, PINE SCHWAB, PIGS, SWINE, SHEEP, OR GOAT, OTHER THAN A MINIATURE BREED.MY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER TOVA ASKED TO BE SENT BACK TO THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR A WEEK.
PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THE PROVISION THAT EXEMPTS THOSE OTHER ANIMALS, HORSE MULE, JACK GENIC, COW BULL DEER, HOG, PIGS, SWINE, SHEEP GOAT, OR OTHER MANY TO BREED.
PLEASE OPPOSE EXEMPTING ANY ANIMAL FROM HAVING A BASEBALL BAT, AX HANDLE PITCHFORK BULL HOOK OR DIVISIVE SIMILAR DESIGN USED ON THEM.
IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT EXEMPTION, LET THEM GO TO CITY COUNCIL, GET A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO SPONSOR THAT, AND LET'S GET CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE THAT THEY WANT THAT EXEMPTION.
DON'T SEND IT TO THEM FROM THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION AS IF YOU ALL THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AND IT'S NOT, UM, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO TO SUPPORT.
I HAVE SENT YOU AN EMAIL WITH THE SIGNATURES OF THE PEOPLE THAT AGREED WITH ME ON THAT.
AFTER ONLY A FEW DAYS OF ME TRYING TO GET A FEW PEOPLE TO SIGN IT.
I SENT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND IF THIS GOES BACK BEFORE COUNCIL WITH THOSE PROVISIONS, THAT I'M OPPOSED TO, I WILL, I'M SURE I CAN GET MUCH, MANY, MANY MORE SIGNATURES.
UH, KATIE, KATIE KENDRICK TURNER.
YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED WITH A READ ACROSS.
HI, THIS IS KATIE FINISHED CENTER.
CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME TROUBLES WITH THE TELEPHONE SYSTEM IT'S EVENING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK ANDREA FOR HER SERVICE AND HER DEDICATION TO WALKING THE DOGS AT THE SHELTER.
I AM A VOLUNTEER AT THE AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER AND I ROUTINELY SEE HER THERE.
UM, HE'S, UH, SIGNING A STAR OF THE COMMUNITY OF SOMEONE THAT WOULD, WOULD SPEND SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY HELPING THE ANIMALS.
AND TWO IS ON A AGENDA ITEM FOR A TO REVISE THE ORDINANCE THREE DASH TWO DASH EIGHT TRAINING AND CONTROL OF ANIMALS.
AND I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE EXEMPTING HORSES, PIGS, SHEEP, AND COWS FROM, UM, BEING BEATEN WITH A BAT.
UM, AND PROFESSIONALLY, I WORKED AT A UNIVERSITY HERE IN TOWN AND, UM, WE, UH, HAVE BEBO IS OUR MASCOT.
AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT STUDENTS TO, TO, TO, TO THINK THAT, UM, THEY COULD BE THE, OR A BABY BE THE ONE DAY WITH A BAT AND HAVE A COMMISSION THAT HAD PUT FORTH AN EXEMPTION LIKE THIS AS CITY COUNCIL.
SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO NOT INCLUDE THE PROVISION THAT EXEMPTS SELECT ANIMALS FROM CRUELTY.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THAT I CAN CLIP MARGARET MARTIN.
UH, BRITA CROSS, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY CHRIS OR WIG.
ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION MEMBERS.
MY COMMENTS ARE REGARDING NUMBER FOUR, THE TREATMENT OF ANIMALS FOR TRAINING AND CONTROL THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE ORDINANCE.
THIS ALLOWS CERTAIN DEVICES TO BE USED ON ANIMALS.
HOWEVER, IT DOES EXEMPT ANIMALS, SUCH AS HORSES, COWS, SHEEP, GOATS, HOGS, PIGS, AND MANY OTHERS.
I FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE ANIMALS WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM PROTECTION, FROM THE USE OF OBJECTS THAT CAUSE ALL ANIMALS ARE SENTIENT BEINGS AND FEEL PAIN.
CRUELTY IS CRUELTY NO MATTER WHO IT IS INFLICTED UPON WHY THIS ORDINANCE ALLOWS CRUELTY TO BE AFFECTED ON SOME AND NOT ON OTHER ANIMALS.
PLEASE DO NOT PASS SUCH A MEASURE THAT ALLOWS FOR CRUELTY TO ANY ANIMALS, THIS ORDINANCE, TO BE REWRITTEN, TO INCLUDE ALL ANIMALS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
I'M CALLING ON A, THE CO-FOUNDER OF A LOCAL NONPROFIT, A FIVE OH ONE C3 FARM ANIMAL RESCUE CALLED AUSTIN FARM SANCTUARY.
WE ARE HOME TO OVER 70 FULL-TIME RESIDENTS IN OUR CARE.
MANY OF WHICH ARE THE, ARE THE TYPES OF ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY.
COWS, PIGS, HORSES, MULES, GOATS, CHICKENS, ET CETERA.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF CATS AND DOGS IN OUR CARE, AND I WANTED TO SPEAK TO ITEM FOUR A
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AS WELL.UM, IN ORDER AND THE POINT C THAT WAS KIND OF MADE THERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THAT ALL ANIMALS SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM BEING PRODDED OR HIT WITH BATS OR BLUNT OBJECTS OR POKED WITH A PITCHFORK.
I CAN SAY ON BEHALF OF CARING FOR 70 OF THESE TYPES OF ANIMALS, THAT WOULD NOT BE EXEMPT OF IT.
AND THE WAY THAT THIS IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, UM, THEY'RE ALL VERY SENTIENT BEINGS THAT DESERVE TO BE CARED FOR IN THE EXACT SAME WAY AS THE DOGS AND CATS THAT I BELIEVE AS WELL.
THEY CAN LEARN WITHOUT THESE TYPES OF USE.
AND THIS IS, I KNOW A TRAINING ORDINANCE.
THIS IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO, TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THESE ANIMALS.
UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM FEARFUL OF.
NOT ONLY WOULD IT NOT PROTECT THEM FROM IT, BUT IT WOULD ENCOURAGE AN OUTLET FOR SOMEBODY WHO WOULD WANT TO CAUSE HARM TO ANIMALS TO THEN HAVE A WAY IN WHICH THEY COULD DEPEND ON US.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION.
I LOVE THAT THIS ORDINANCE WAS GOING TO BE PUT IN PLACE, BUT I DO REQUEST THAT THIS EXEMPTION REQUIRED.
THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, PASSED ALONG TO ALL ANIMALS AS A SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON EXCLUDING FARMED ANIMALS FROM US.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME TO GO SPEAK HERE AND FOR ALL ITS CONSIDERATION.
I HOPE YOU WILL ALL STAY AND WATCH THE MEETING WHEN WE GET TO THIS ITEM.
SO YOU CAN HEAR THE HISTORY OF IT, UM, THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES.AND WE DO HAVE ONE CORRECTION.
I BELIEVE THAT THEY, UH, THERE'S UH, ON THE, UH, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN KATIE SECOND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING, IT SAYS THE 11TH AND IT SHOULD SAY THE EIGHTH OR IS THAT BACKWARDS? BELINDA, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? WE CAN.
IT SAYS KATIE MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 8TH MEETING AND THAT'S INCORRECT.
IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE JANUARY 11TH MEETING.
SO WE WILL MAKE THAT THEY WILL MAKE THAT WE WILL MAKE THAT CHANGE.
AND THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THAT CHANGE.
WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND HAND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
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TO STAFF BRIEFINGS ITEM.I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, DON.
RIGHT? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS JASON KARSA, DEPUTY CHIEF.
SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER FIRST, THE STATISTICS AND SOME NEWS AROUND THE SHELTER, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAWN FOR ADDITIONAL UPDATES ON OUR COVID UPDATE.
SO IN FEBRUARY, THE LIVE OUTCOME RATE WAS 98.4%.
UM, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 500, TWO ANIMALS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE SHELTER, WHICH INCLUDED 26 ANIMALS OF WILDLIFE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, IN DECEMBER, WE MOVED TO VIRTUAL ADOPTIONS AND AFTER THE SNOW STORM, WE WERE ABLE TO HAND, UH, WHEN WE WERE DOWNGRADED FROM STAGE FIVE TO STAGE FOUR, WE WERE ABLE TO OPEN UP BACK TO, UM, PET PASSES.
AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET OUT A TOTAL OF 228 ANIMALS THAT WERE ADOPTED FROM US.
UM, WE'RE STILL CONTINUING TO, AND DONALD TOUCH ON THAT WITH, WITH HIS UPDATES, A TOTAL OF 63 PETS WERE RETURNED TO THEIR OWNERS VIA RTOS AND RTO ADOPTS.
UM, WITH ANIMAL PROTECTION, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET 58 ANIMALS TO THEIR OWNERS IN THE FIELD.
UM, SOMETHING EXCITING FOR US IS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE FIVE APS AND THEY'RE RIGHT NOW IN THE VARIOUS STAGES OF, OF TRAINING FOR VOLUNTEERS, WE HAD A TOTAL 56 VOLUNTEERS THAT DONATED 937 HOURS TO US DURING FEBRUARY.
UM, THEY ASSISTED WITH THE CITY'S EMERGENCY PET SHELTER AT THE PALMER EVENT CENTER THERE WITH THAT WARMING FACILITY.
PART OF THAT HAD US TO, UH, HAD TASKED US WITH HAVING A PET SHELTER SITE.
AND SO FOR, FOR JUST, UM, CHECK-INS AND CHECK-OUTS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME VOLUNTEERS AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CRITICAL HELP THAT WE NEED, ESPECIALLY WHILE WE WERE DEALING WITH, UH, ARE WORKING AT THE SHELTER AND TRYING TO THILE FROM, FROM THE SNOWSTORM.
UM, WE HAD MORE THAN 243 FAMILIES PROVIDED FOSTER CARE.
WE HAD 92 LIVE OUTCOMES THAT WERE ATTRIBUTED TO 16 DIFFERENT, UH, AAC PARTNERS.
UM, WITH VETERINARY SERVICES, WE WERE, THEY WERE ABLE TO HANDLE 73 EMERGENCY CASES.
THEY PERFORMED SIX ORTHOPEDIC SURGERIES
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AND 14 OTHER SPECIALTY SURGERIES, INCLUDING NUCLEATION, AMPUTATIONS, MASS REMOVALS, HERNIA, REPAIR, WOUND, REPAIRS, AND DENTALS.UM, WE MENTIONED IT LAST MONTH IN JANUARY, WE, WITHIN OUR PRC, WE WERE ABLE TO LAUNCH A TEXT PROGRAM TO HELP YOU BRING UNITE, LOST PETS WITH OUR FAMILY.
IT'S CALLED LOS ATX AND IT SENDS SUBSCRIBERS TIPS AND TRICKS THAT ARE PROVEN TO INCREASE THE CHANCES OF FIND THEIR LOST PET.
WELL, THIS PAST MONTH WE WERE ABLE TO LAUNCH FOUND ATX, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, DOING IT FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO FIND THEIR PETS AND HOW TO FACILITATE REUNIFICATION FOR THE PET.
THEY HAVE FOUND, INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT TO THE SHELTER RIGHT NOW, THE PROGRAM BOTH PROGRAMS HAVE ABOUT 638 TOTAL SUBSCRIBERS WITH 40 139 JUST ADDED THIS PAST MONTH.
OUR CHAT BOT FEATURE IS STILL GOING STRONG.
WE'VE HAD ABOUT 1,341 CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR RESOURCES AND INFORMATION ON, ON TOP OF THOSE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
WE'VE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO HAND OUT 2,315 BASIC NECESSITY ITEMS, SUCH AS INCLUDE FOOD, BEDS, LEASHES, ET CETERA, ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE ARE NEEDING FROM US.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DON.
UH, JUST EXPAND A LITTLE, WE STILL HAVE 12 OPEN POSITIONS AT THE SHELTER THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO HIRE FAR.
AND I KNOW THREE OF THOSE ARE AT AN APO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS, UH, WHITTLING AWAY AT IT AND WE'RE CONTINUING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE IN THE FINAL PROCESSES, BACKGROUND APPROVED MELONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS, UM, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE UPDATES SINCE MOVING BACK TO STAGE FIVE, UH, WE WERE VERY EXCITED LAST WEEK, WE'RE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT OUR WHITE WILDE SOFTWARE AND THAT GIVES THE CITIZENS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR OWN APPOINTMENT ONLINE.
SO THEY GET IT'S NO BACK AND FORTH LIKE WE HAD BEFORE WITH, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS.
SO THE POTENTIAL ADOPTER CAN ACTUALLY GO ON OUR WEBSITE, GO ONLINE, SCHEDULE THEIR APPOINTMENT.
AND IT'S, IT'S ALL SEAMLESS VERY QUICK.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S WORKING VERY WELL.
WE WILL, WE, SINCE MOVING BACK TO STAGE FOUR, WE OPENED UP ADOPTIONS AGAIN INSIDE IN PERSON, AND WE CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE NUMBERS AND INCREASE THE ADOPTION PER HOUR TO THE MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN BECAUSE WE, WE NEED TO MOVE MORE ANIMALS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEN WE GET IN OF COURSE, AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN IN THE RED IN SMALL DOGS FOR QUITE A WHILE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, VERY UNUSUAL BECAUSE NORMALLY IT'S THE LARGE DOGS IS IN THE RED, BUT WE, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS AND WE THANK THE PARTNERS THAT HAVE PULLED, BUT WE'RE STILL IN THE RED FOR SMALL DOGS.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT, UM, JUST, JUST SOMETHING FOR YOUR GENERAL KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT WE TAKE IN BITE QUARANTINES AT THE SHELTER AND WE HAVE ALWAYS HAVE THOSE ONSITE.
UH, THIS MORNING THERE WAS SEVEN BY QUARANTINES ON SITE, BUT WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS HOW MANY THE APO OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO HOME QUARANTINE OR QUARANTINE AT THAT PERSON'S PERSONAL VET THAT DON'T HAVE TO COME TO THE SHELTER, WHICH SAVES US A HUGE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES.
SO I WANT TO SAY THAT, BUT AS OF THIS MORNING, WE HAD SIX 62 ANIMALS IN HOME QUARANTINE.
SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF 69 ANIMALS THAT WE HADN'T BITE QUARANTINE THIS MORNING.
AND SO THOSE 62 ANIMALS, UH, THAT ARE BE ABLE TO BE QUARANTINED OUTSIDE OF THE SHELTER IS DEFINITELY A BENEFIT.
SO OUR APL OFFICERS WORK REALLY HARD TO KEEP ANIMALS IN HOMES.
AND THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE CAN DO WHEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES ALLOW, BECAUSE NOTHING, MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE THAT MANY ANIMALS IN, IN A BITE QUARANTINE SITUATION.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET TO OTHER THINGS ON THE AGENDA.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
DID ANY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES COME UP WITH THE COLD SPELL? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THE FUTURE? OR W WERE YOU GUYS ABLE TO HANDLE THAT FAIRLY WELL WITH THERE AT THE LAVENDER LOOP, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO HANDLE IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT WOULD NOT BE FRUGAL FOR US TO HAVE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE APO TRUCKS, UH, IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.
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UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD IS, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCKS DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, WITHOUT WE PULLED A LOT OF TRUCKS OUT OF THAT, IT TRIED, UH, WE HAD STAFFING THAT CAME IN AND ACTUALLY STAYED ON SITE FOR MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, UH, OVERNIGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE AS MUCH AS FIVE STAFF THAT WOULD STAY.AND THEN OTHERS THAT CAME IN ON THE MONDAY THAT WAS THE HOLIDAY, UH, THAT IT, IT ALL STARTED.
UH, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX PEOPLE THE NEXT DAY WE HAD EIGHT, 12, AND THEN IT WENT UP EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE SOME PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO COME IN AND THEN GO BACK HOME, BUT WE KEPT A GRU THERE JUST IN CASE SOMEONE COULDN'T COME IN.
OF COURSE WE HAVE A BACKUP GENERATOR FOR THE WHOLE CAMPUS, BUT WE NEVER LOST ELECTRICITY OR WATER.
UH, THE GENERATOR NEVER KICKED ON.
SO ALL THE ANIMALS THAT WERE ONSITE WERE, YOU KNOW, BEING FED CARED FOR AND STAYED WARM.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE PREPARED, UM, AND WE MAY DO WITH A LIMITED NUMBER OF STAFF, BUT THOSE STAFF REALLY WORKS LONG HOURS AND SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR THE JOB THAT THEY DID DURING THAT TIME.
WELL, LET ME BE THE FIRST TO COMMAND YOU.
I'M SO GLAD TO HEAR IT BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE UP AT MY NECK OF THE WOODS, WE LOST POWER.
WE LOST WATER AND MY GOODNESS.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
LET'S GO WITH MONICA THEN KATIE AND THEN PALMER.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SNOWPOCALYPSE AS WELL.
IF YOU WOULD, DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND, HOW MANY ANIMALS WERE ROUTED TO THE ECC OR TAKEN IN BY YOU GUYS DIRECTLY TO AAC FROM MONDAY UNTIL THURSDAY DURING, DURING THE COLD SNAP? UM, NO, NOT OFF HAND.
UM, WE WILL HAVE, WE DID TAKE IN SOME ANIMALS WHERE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET OUT TOO, BUT I'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO RUN THE NUMBERS AT LEAST FOR THAT SPECIFIC WEEK.
AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMISSION.
AND I KNOW THAT EDC HAD LOST POWER ALSO.
AND SO THEY WEREN'T TAKING ANYTHING EASY TO TAKE IN ANYONE.
I DON'T I'D HAVE TO CHECK, BUT I KNOW AT ONE POINT THEY HAD LOST COMPLETE POWER ALSO, AND I THINK THEY WERE MOVING SOME OF THEIR ANIMALS.
SO WE SHIPPED ANIMALS TO THE ONE IN PFLUGERVILLE ROUND ROCK, I GUESS IT IS.
SO THEY DID HAVE A FACILITY OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC GO TO JUST NOT TO SOUTHLAND.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, UM, I'M WONDERING WHAT PEOPLE WHO FOUND STORIES WERE TOLD WHEN THEY CALLED DURING A COLD SNAP TO, UM, WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING TO BRING THEM TO ACC, DID YOU GUYS HAVE WRITTEN PROTOCOLS TO SHARE WITH STAFF REGARDING RESPONDING TO STRAIGHT CALLS? DURING THAT TIME WE WERE RESPONDING TO EMERGENCY CALLS.
ONLY WE, OUR TRUCKS WERE BARELY ABLE TO GET AROUND THE ROAD BETWEEN THE COLD AND THE DIESEL IS NOT STARTING.
AND I JUST, FOR THE SAFETY OF STAFF, WE DIDN'T RESPOND TO ANY SPRAYS.
IT WAS EMERGENCY CALLS ONLY LIKE POLICE AND FIRE ASSIST.
DON D WERE YOU ABLE TO COME UP WITH ANY PROTOCOLS TO SHARE WAS WRITTEN PROTOCOLS TO, TO, TO SHARE WITH YOUR STAFF ON HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT? I GUESS THAT WOULD MARK DID Y'ALL GIVE ANY DIRECTIONS TO THREE, ONE, ONE WE DON'T IT'S WRITTEN IN SOP.
IT'S JUST THE STANDARD PROTOCOL IS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK OUT FOR THE SAFETY OF STAFF FIRST.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS TOLD TO AUSTIN THROUGH IN ONE, THE, UH, ROLLING BLACKOUTS OBVIOUSLY AFFECTED A LOT OF, PEOPLE'S ABLE TO THE ABILITY TO DO ANY KIND OF REPORTING OF STRAYS AND MOST PEOPLE THAT WE DID DEAL WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE THEM INTO THEIR HOME UNTIL IT WAS SAFE FOR ANYBODY PROBLEM, COMMISSIONER BRENDAN, WE GOT A LOT OF CALLS FROM NEGLECT.
AND WHEN WE FOLLOWED UP WITH THOSE, UH, WE FOUND THAT THE ANIMAL WAS JUST LET OUT TO GO POTTY.
AND IT WAS INSIDE BACK INSIDE BEFORE WHEN WE GOT THE CALL, IT WAS NEIGHBORS CALLING ON A DOG I SAW OUT THAT WAS ACTUALLY JUST BEING, LET OUT GO POTTY AND IT WAS PUT BACK IN.
SO THAT WAS A LOT OF THE CALLS THAT WE GOT AND HAD TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE PHONES FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY WASN'T NEGLECT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT OUR MESSAGING WAS FROM THREE, ONE, ONE WAS SOMEONE DID CALL ABOUT ASTRAY DURING THAT TIME.
I DON'T THINK FAN WHAT W WHAT, WHAT THE MESSAGING WAS.
IT WAS JUST THAT WE ARE RESPONDING TO EMERGENCIES ONLY THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO RESPOND TO STRAY DOG CALLS.
WE HAD A 738% INCREASE IN, IN NEGLECT CALLS AT THE SAME TIME.
LAST YEAR, WE HAD 12, WE HAD 245 THIS
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YEAR.AND UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE DON SAID, A LOT OF THOSE WERE, WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT TRUE NEGLECT CALLS.
WE WERE ABLE TO CLEAR THEM WITH, UH, NO VIOLATION FOUND ON WELL OVER A HUNDRED OF THEM.
YOU OKAY? YOU OKAY WITH ME GOING? OKAY.
AND JUST, UM, IN TERMS OF THE THREE, ONE, ONE, UH, CALLS THAT YOU ALL JUST MENTIONED, WE WERE HEARING FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THREE, ONE, ONE WAS DOWN FOR A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE STORM POST, UH POST-STORM AND THAT THEY WERE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING THROUGH TO THREE, ONE, ONE.
HOW DID YOU ALL WORK AROUND THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CALLS WERE BEING RESPONDED TO AND ANSWERED? SO I CAN ANSWER THIS.
UM, I WAS TOLD THAT SATURDAY THROUGH, AND ONE WAS GOING TO VOICEMAIL.
I MADE REPEATED CALLS TO THREE, ONE, ONE, AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM GETTING THROUGH.
SO THERE WAS ONLY A COUPLE OF TIMES OR THROUGH, AND ONE WAS A TRULY DOWN TO ALL SERVICES.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE WERE CALLING BECAUSE WE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEM REACHING THEM.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE WERE, WE WERE GETTING THE NEGLECT CALLS.
SO WE DID NOT EXPERIENCE ANY 200 ON BLACKOUT OTHER THAN A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN THEY HAD, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS POWER ISSUES.
WE DID HAVE A CITYWIDE, UH, INTERNET OR INTRANET BLACKED OUT.
THAT'S WHAT AFFECTED MOST PEOPLE FOR A BETTER PART OF ONE OF THE DAYS, BUT THAT WAS THE ENTIRE CITY.
NOBODY HAD ANY INTERNET OR INTERNET IN ANY CITY BUILDINGS.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER AVENUES BY WHICH THE PUBLIC COULD REACH OUT TO AAC ABOUT CALLS DURING THAT TIME? NO, BECAUSE OUR PHONES WERE DOWN EVERYTHING'S INTERNET DRIVEN, SO EVERYTHING WAS DOWN.
OUR THREE ARE ANYBODY THAT CALLED NINE ONE, ONE, THEY WERE ABLE TO PAY JUST VIA OUR PAGER SERVICE.
SO OFFICERS COULD GET CALLS THAT WAY.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF MY OTHER QUESTION IS SORT OF IN TERMS OF THE MESSAGING, UM, THAT THE, THAT AAC WAS PUTTING OUT IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO, AND THE DAYS FOLLOWING THE STORM, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, PRIOR TO THE STORM, CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT ANY EFFORTS TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT PEOPLE NEEDING TO BRING THEIR PETS INSIDE AND THEN FOLLOWING THE STORM, ANY MESSAGING OTHER THAN THE SHELTER BEING CLOSED, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE, WHAT WAS KIND OF THE PROACTIVE MESSAGING GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW THEY COULD SEEK HELP? IT WAS, UH, BUSINESS AS USUAL.
WE DIDN'T PUT ANY MESSAGING OUT.
UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THOSE ARE MY STORM-RELATED QUESTIONS.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER SORT OF STATE POLICY RELATED QUESTIONS I'VE HEARD FROM ABOUT A DOZEN OR SO UNISON SHELTERS AROUND THE STATE THAT ARE VERY ENGAGED, UM, AND FOCUSED ON THE HOUSE BILL SIX 52 THIS WEEK ABOUT MUNICIPAL SHELTERS NOTIFICATION ON ZOONOTIC DISEASE.
UM, AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT AAC WAS DOING, UM, OR THE CITY OF AUSTIN WAS DOING IN TERMS OF THAT BILL.
SO WE WORK WITH OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS OFFICE, UM, WHENEVER THEY HAVE A BILL THAT'S, UH, THAT IS GOING THROUGH COMMITTEE, THEY'LL SEND US, UM, THE BILL TO GET OUR THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK ON, ON IT.
UM, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK, I BELIEVE WE DID GET THAT ONE.
UH, WAS IT ALSO ON LAST SESSION? I BELIEVE, AND YEAH.
WE, WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT BILLS AND SO I'M, I'M RACED THROUGH MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE PROVIDE OUR FEEDBACK ON IT, ESSENTIALLY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UM, THINGS THAT WE ALREADY SORT OF DISCLOSE, UM, TO, TO ADOPTERS.
UM, AND THAT IF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST HAD SOME ADDITIONAL FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS THAT WE PROVIDED TO OUR EVER GOVERNMENT OR RELATIONS OFFICE, SO THEY CAN, UH, PUT IT UP ESSENTIALLY FOR FEEDBACK, UM, AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME RESPONSES.
WELL, THE HEARING ON THAT BILL IS WEDNESDAY.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A DOZEN OR SO SHELTERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OPPOSING IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE Y'ALL A HEADS UP SO THAT YOU WERE AWARE, UH, AND WITH THAT, I THINK OVERALL WE DID OPPOSE IT.
WELL, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ON WEDNESDAY.
THAT'S IT FOR ME? THANKS, PALMER.
I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BACK TO, I GUESS, THE COVID UPDATE ON THE WAIT WHILE SOFTWARE, QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
HOW OUT ARE THEY HAVING TO SCHEDULE OR LIKE, HOW CURRENT ARE YOU WITH ADOPTION SCHEDULING APPOINTMENTS? YEAH, THE NICE THING ABOUT IT IS WHEN SOMEONE CANCELS THEIR APPOINTMENT, IT OPENS IT UP.
SO IF THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT WENT BACK ON AND CANCELED THEIR APPOINTMENT THAT'S TOMORROW THAT
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OPENS THAT SLOT UP.SO SOMEONE CAN BOOK THAT APPOINTMENT.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IF SOMEONE HASN'T CANCELED, LIKE, IS IT LIKE, IS MOST EVERYONE GETTING AN APPOINTMENT WITHIN A FEW DAYS A WEEK NEXT WEEK? I GUESS WHAT'S KIND OF WITHOUT A CANCELLATION, WHAT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD TIME.
I, UH, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BOOK AN APPOINTMENT.
UM, I WANT TO SAY IT'S TWO DAYS.
I'M DON WAS TALKING TO ME AS WELL.
YES, IT WAS NO MORE THAN TWO WEEKS OUT THAT WE CAN BOOK AN APPOINTMENT.
UM, SO THAT WAY WE, WE KEEP A, TRYING TO KEEP A TIGHT SCHEDULE ON IT.
UM, IF, IF LIKE DON SAID IS IN REAL TIME.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT, UM, SOMEONE CANCELS OUT, YOU COULD TAKE THAT SLOT.
UM, I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY WITH, WITH OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE STAFF, IF IT DOES NOTIFICATIONS LIKE WHERE YOU COULD ADD, IF YOU GET NOTIFIED, IF, IF A SLOT POTENTIALLY OPENS UP.
UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST, WHEN WE WERE HAPPY DOING APPOINTMENTS MANUALLY, WE WERE CALLING FOLKS JUST TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THESE SLOTS OPEN UP.
IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE YOUR APPOINTMENT, LIKE WE COULD DO THIS AS LONG AS THEY WERE NEXT IN LINE, THIS SORT OF OPENS IT UP TO WHERE THE USER CAN SORT OF SCHEDULE IT OUT ON THEIR, ON THEIR OWN TERMS. THAT'S GREAT THAT IT KNOWS THAT IT, IT SHOWS OPEN SLOTS, BUT I GUESS I'M STILL SORRY FOR THE QUESTIONS.
NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING, LIKE IF I WENT ON RIGHT NOW, WHAT I HAVE TROUBLE, HOW QUICKLY WOULD I LIKELY BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT IF YOU'RE ONLY GOING OUT TWO WEEKS, IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT PEOPLE CANCELING AND OPENING A SLOT? NO, NO, LET ME EXPLAIN.
WE'RE NOT GOING OUT TWO WEEKS.
THAT THAT IS THE FURTHEST YOU'D PROBABLY BE BEFORE YOU CAN BOOK AN APPOINTMENT.
WE HAD SOMEONE THE OTHER DAY THAT BOOKED AN APPOINTMENT SIX WEEKS OUT AND WE QUESTIONED IT AND THEY SAID, NO, THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE GOING ON VACATION.
AND THAT'S WHEN THEY WANTED TO COME IN.
SO IT'S IT'S YOU WOULD GET AN APPOINTMENT TWO WEEKS OR LESS.
SO THE WAIT FOR AN APPOINTMENT, UNLESS THERE'S A CANCELLATION IS TWO WEEKS OR LESS.
UM, I HAD A COUPLE MORE SNOWPOCALYPSE QUESTIONS.
UM, THE FIRST THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS, UM, BEFORE THIS MEETING HAVE A MEETING ON, UM, VARIOUS ROLLING WOOD ISSUES.
AND WE HAD ENROLLING WHEN WE HAD STAFF THAT SLEPT IN OUR LITTLE TINY LITTLE, UM, CITY HALL FOR FOUR DAYS.
AND, UH, AND IT'S REALLY AMAZING THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE CITY EMPLOYEES ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
AND SO, UM, I WANT TO GIVE AN ENORMOUS THANK YOU TO, UH, THE, THE STAFF MEMBERS AT AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER, WHO WENT, OBVIOUSLY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THEIR DUTIES AS STAFF MEMBERS TO SIT THERE AND SLEEP, UH, AT THE, AT THE SHELTER TO TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS VERY CLEAR, AND I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY ON THAT CALL AGREES WITH THAT.
UM, ENORMOUS, THANK YOU TO THE STAFF WHO DID THAT.
UM, I THINK SOME OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED, BUT I W I WANNA MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY, UM, I THINK THE ANSWER WAS THAT TRUCKS WERE NOT ABLE TO GET OUT DURING THE STORM.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT THE ANIMAL CONTROL TRUCK TRUCKS THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, WE WERE LIMITED, UH, PARTLY DUE TO LOCATIONS, UH, I'M OUT IN THE HILL COUNTRY.
SO I, AND MY TRUCK WOULDN'T START BECAUSE OF THE BIODIESEL.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANTI GEL, WE DIDN'T HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, NON JELLING STUFF FROM FLEET IN OUR TRUCKS.
AND THEN SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE TRUCKS WERE JUST SIMPLY IN AREAS WHERE THEY WASN'T SAFE TO TRAVEL.
AND SO DOES THAT MEAN, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ANSWERS.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF DOES THAT MEAN WE RESPONDED TO ZERO CRUELTY AND NEGLECT CALLS DURING THE PERIOD THAT WE PHYSICALLY WENT OUT TO ZERO PROTEIN, ALL LOCATIONS? NO, THAT MEANS THAT THE, THAT THE TRUCK WOULD RESPOND.
WE DON'T RESPOND TO CRUELTY AT ALL.
REMEMBER THAT AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, I GUESS WE ONLY GO TO THE, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT'S LEFT OUT IN THE COLD.
I MEAN, I'M, AND I'M SORRY FOR NOT BEING MORE CLEAR, BUT, SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE, WERE YOU ABLE TO RESPOND TO WHAT THE LIMITED NUMBER OF TRUCKS THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? WE RESPONDED TO ALL OF THEM.
UM, MOST OF THEM WERE CLEARED BY PHONE BECAUSE AS JASON MENTIONED, THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY ANIMALS LEFT OUT IN THE COLD.
THEY WERE JUST DOGS THAT WERE OUTSIDE USING THE RESTROOM.
UM, AND SO QUITE A FEW OF THEM, EVEN THE OFFICERS THAT COULDN'T GET OUT IN THEIR VEHICLES WERE MAKING PHONE CALLS AND WE'RE DOUBLE CHECKING HISTORY ON THE CALLS TO SEE IF WE HAD ANY PRIOR HISTORY.
AND THEN I HAD, UH, THE THREE TRUCKS THAT DID RUN THE FIRST FEW DAYS OF IT.
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DAY AND CLEARED CALLS, WHICH AS MANY, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT WE COULDN'T CLEAR VIA PHONE OR VERIFY WHETHER THEY'RE AN ANIMAL WAS ACTUALLY LOOSE AND OUT, WE THEN WENT TO THOSE LOCATIONS AND CHECKED ON THE ANIMAL.AND EVEN WITH THOSE, WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE WHERE THE ANIMAL ACTUALLY TRULY WAS BEING KEPT OUTSIDE WITHOUT SHELTER, AND THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY REMEDIED.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK YOU HAD, I THINK THE NUMBER WAS 200 AND SOMETHING WERE, UM, CALLS ON IT REPORTED DURING A PERIOD.
WE NORMALLY GOT AT LEAST A HUNDRED ISH.
I THINK HE SAID WE'RE CLEARED BY PHONE AND THE REST WE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT TO AND RESPOND TO IN PERSON.
UH, IT'S A LITTLE FUZZY BECAUSE SOME OF THE REPORTING WASN'T DONE EXACTLY THE SAME.
WE, I DON'T, I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY WE RESPONDED TO PHYSICALLY.
IT WAS A VERY HIGH NUMBER OF THEM.
AND, UH, AGAIN, WE, WE TOOK THINGS SUCH AS BLANKETS.
WE HAD INFORMATION ON BEDDING.
UH, WE HAD DOG HOUSES THAT WE DELIVERED TO SOME PEOPLE.
AND THEN, UM, SO WE, WE HAD TRUCKS OUT.
IT WAS JUST NOT, NOT THE NORMAL NUMBER THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAD UP TO RESPOND TO THAT TYPE OF EMERGENCY, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS 200 AND SOMETHING CALLS I'M JUST TRYING TO 40, YEAH.
245 NEGLECT CALLS IN A FIVE DAY PERIOD.
AND YOU THINK YOU RESPONDED TO MAYBE HALF OF THEM, I MEAN, IN PERSON, UH, FOR SURE, A THIRD OF THEM, I WOULDN'T SAY HALF, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE HAD SOME OFFICERS CLOSING THEM OUT.
THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS YOU CAN CLOSE OUT A CALL AND THE SECOND DAY, AND I REALIZED THEY WEREN'T ALL CLOSING OUT THE SAME WAY.
SO EVERYBODY CLOSED, NOT THE SAME.
SO THE FIRST TWO DAYS OF DATA, UM, IS NOT, HAS NOT BEEN SCRUBBED TO LOOK AT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY DONE.
UH, WE DIDN'T HAND OUT A LOT OF BLANKETS AND ALL THE DOGHOUSES WE HAD, WE THEN REFERRED PEOPLE THAT, THAT REQUESTED STUFF LIKE THAT TO, UH, APA CHRISTINA CALLED ME AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE A SUPPLY HUB.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO DIRECT PEOPLE THERE AS NEEDED ALSO.
BUT, UH, BY AND LARGE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO WERE FULLY AWARE OF HOW COLD IT WAS AND WERE HAPPY TO HAVE THEIR PETS INSIDE.
UM, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE PUTTING PETS IN WEREN'T WARM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY POWER.
SO THEY, THEY WERE USING THE PETS AND THEMSELVES TO KEEP EACH OTHER WARM.
MY HOUSE WAS NOT PARTICULARLY WARM DURING THAT STRETCH EITHER.
UM, DO YOU HA DO YOU THINK THAT THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, CONVICTIONS OR ARE THERE, IS ANY, IS ANYONE GOING TO GET PROSECUTED FOR HAVING LEFT THEIR PETS OUT DURING THIS PERIOD? OR DO YOU THINK THAT WAS LARGELY A NON-ISSUE IT WAS LARGELY NON ISSUE? UM, WE DID HAVE ONE DOG TAKEN IN BY APD IT'S A DOG WE'VE HAD HISTORY WITH HAD DOG WAS RETURNED TO THE OWNER BECAUSE IT WASN'T ACTUALLY IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAWS AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, SHE DID HAVE SHELTER.
HE WAS JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GO IN IT.
UM, BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAD DOGS THAT WERE BEING, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GO IN THEIR DOG HOUSES WERE ALREADY BEING TAKEN IN BY THEIR OWNERS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A SUCH A UNIQUE EVENT WITH THE TEMPERATURES AS THEY WERE.
UH, THERE WAS, WE GOT A LOT OF ROLLING EYES WHEN WE SHOWED UP AND WANTED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR DOG THAT WAS IN THE HOUSE BEHIND THEM BECAUSE THEIR NEIGHBORS SAW IT OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE BATHROOM.
UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED, BUT BY AND LARGE, WHAT WE SAW WAS MOST PET OWNERS WERE INCREDIBLY RESPONSIBLE AND WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR PETS BECAUSE PEOPLE HADN'T SEEN SINGLE DIGIT TEMPERATURES IN AUSTIN IN THEIR LIFETIME, YOU KNOW, BRIAN, ARE YOU DONE? YEAH, MY, MY COMPUTER IS GOING HAYWIRE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON MY SIDE OF THE CITY SIDE, BUT YEAH, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR HOW MUCH WE THINK, UM, THOSE, UH, CITY OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES WHO WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT BE VALUABLE IN THE, WE COULD PUT IT ON A NECK AND ANOTHER, UH, AGENDA IS JUST KIND OF, UM, WHAT, WHAT LESSONS CAN WE LEARN FROM WHAT WENT WRONG, UM, AND MAYBE BETTER BE PREPARED FOR THE NEXT TIME.
CAUSE IT IS KIND OF SCARY THAT, UH, TRUCKS WEREN'T ABLE TO GO OUT AND IT'S, IT'S GREAT THAT MAYBE THEY DIDN'T NEED TO.
UM, BUT IT'S A LITTLE SCARY THAT, THAT MOST OF THEM, OR MANY OF THEM WEREN'T ABLE TO, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT ANOTHER COMMISSION MEETING AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, JUST SO Y'ALL AWARE WE WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN SORT OF AFTER EVERY MAJOR SORT OF EVENT THAT HAPPENS WITH THE CITY, WE WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN SORT OF AN AFTER ACTION DEBRIEF, UM, THAT WILL FOLLOW, THAT WILL BE HOSTED BY OUR HOMELAND SECURITY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, OUR DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WITH THAT, THAT GATHERS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND BASICALLY GET, GETS A DEBRIEF OF FROM EVERYONE WHO, WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T WORK, WHAT DO WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR? YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE A THING, THEY CALL IT WHEN A 60 YEAR STORM.
AND, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, HOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO, IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO FOR LIKE
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FLOODING EVENTS.IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO FOR, FOR, FOR ANY SORT OF, UH, UNEXPECTED, CATASTROPHIC THING THAT HAPPENS.
AND SO WE WILL BE, WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT INVITE.
WE WE'VE COMPILED OUR WE'VE, UH, TOUCHED BASE WITH EACH OF OUR WORK UNITS TO SORT OF COMPILE A LIST OF, OF WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T WORK.
UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET CAUGHT SO THAT NOW WE HAVE THOSE COTS.
SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE CAN HAVE STAFF AND PEOPLE SLEEP AT THE SHELTER.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN ENSURE THAT PET CARE CONTINUES MOVING FORWARD, AT LEAST FOR THE, FOR THE DAYS AFTER WHATEVER HAPPENS.
SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DOING.
AND DEPENDING, DEPENDING ON THE TIMING OF THAT, YEAH.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO COME FORWARD AND SORT OF SHARE WITH WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THAT.
WELL, JASON, CAN WE JUST ADD A REQUEST TO INCLUDE THAT ON FUTURE STAFF BRIEFINGS? AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, BUT THAT WAY RYAN CAN DECIDE IF HE WANTS TO MAKE AN AGENDA ITEM OUT OF IT AFTER THAT BREAK IN ME.
WHEN WE DO A MONTHLY PART AFTER WE'VE HAD THAT MEETING AND THEN YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE TOUCH BASE ON IT.
I JUST WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR HOW HARD THEY WORKED.
UM, AS A VOLUNTEER I'M ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE AND I SAW THE PHOTOS COMING IN, IT WAS A SMALL GROUP OF STAFF AND A SMALL GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHO MADE IT IN AND LIKE USUAL AT AC, EVERYBODY WORKED TOGETHER TO GET THE DOGS FED AND CLEANED AND WATERED, NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
WE HAD VOLUNTEERS WHO MADE IT IN WHO, UH, ONE IN PARTICULAR WHO IN PARTICULAR, WHO BROUGHT FOOD TO THE STAFF AND THEY WOULD POST PICTURES IN THE EVENING.
UH, BECAUSE FIRST WE'RE ALL WORRIED ABOUT OUR ANIMALS, THOSE OF US WHO HAD ELECTRICITY, UM, AND WHO COULD LOOK AT THE FACEBOOK PAGE AND THEY WERE UPDATING US AS BEST WE CAN.
UM, THEY ENJOYED POSTING PICTURES OF MR. BLAND, UM, CLEANING KENNELS, UM, AND, UH, IT WAS JUST AN ALL TEAM EFFORT.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID FROM THE ANIMALS AS A DOG-WALKER.
IT WAS NICE TO KNOW THEY WERE TAKEN CARE OF AND THE CATS AND RABBITS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UM, LET'S MOVE TO OLD BUSINESS.
[3a. Update, Discussion and Possible Action on Comparative Evaluations of Monthly Release Rates.]
UPDATE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON COMPARATIVE EVALUATIONS OF MONTHLY RELEASE RATES, ANYTHING NEW WAS THAT MIND DAVID? UM, NOTHING NEW, OTHER THAN I DID WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.MAYBE JASON, YOU CAN CONFIRM IT.
CONFIRM FOR ME THAT, UH, LIVE RELEASE RATE FOR CATS WAS HIGH 96, UM, BASED ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE BY A DATA PORTAL.
SO, UM, IF THAT MATCHES YOUR INFO, UM, KUDOS TO YOU GUYS.
I KNOW YOU ARE TAKING IN A HIGHER VOLUME OF SICK AND INJURED RIGHT NOW.
I AM WAITING ON A HUGE BACKLOG OF RECORDS REQUESTS FOR, UM, NON-LIFE OUTCOMES.
SO I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS ON THE AGENDA IF I MIGHT, DAVID, UNTIL I CAN PROCESS ALL THOSE.
AND UNTIL AGAIN, UM, ANIMAL SERVICES, IT PERSON GETS ON BOARD AND CAN GIVE US THAT LOVELY BREAKDOWN THAT WE'RE USED TO SEEING EVERY MONTH OF ALL INTAKES ON OUTCOMES.
SO THE COMMUNITY CAN SEE THAT ANY QUESTIONS FOR MONICA.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE UPDATE, DISCUSSION
[3b. Update, Discussion and Possible Action from Work Group on Off-Leash Dogs]
POSSIBLE ACTION FROM THE WORK GROUP ON OFF-LEASH DOGS.UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO KEEP ON THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA ON THE SNOW, UM, EVENT DID, UM, KNOCK TWO OF THE MEMBERS OFFLINE FOR A WEEK AND THEN HAD TO CATCH UP.
SO THERE WERE A LITTLE BEHIND IN BEING ABLE TO HELP, UM, JUST A LITTLE UPDATE.
UM, I'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH NEXT DOOR AND EMAILS I'VE RECEIVED AND, UM, OTHER POSTS ABOUT 30 DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT I'VE DOCUMENTED.
UM, AND, UM, NOW, UH, LOOKING AND ANALYZING THEM FOR IDEAS FOR SOLUTIONS.
UM, UH, COMMISSIONER NASER IS A MEMBER OF THE WORKING GROUP ALONG WITH, UM, ERIN VANLANDINGHAM, WHO WAS THE CITIZEN WHO'S SPOKEN DECEMBER OF 2019.
AND, UM, THEY'VE BROUGHT UP ISSUES AND THE AREAS THAT THEY'VE BEEN IN AND OTHER, UM, UH, IDEAS.
AND, UH, I APPRECIATE, UM, GREG HAS A LOT OF HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE.
UM, IN, IN WORKING THROUGH THESE, UM, I'VE ALSO BEEN CHECKING LEASH LAWS AND OTHER TEXAS CITIES, WHICH IS NOT THAT EASY.
UM, A LOT OF IT'S FOLDED INTO THE DANGEROUS DOG STATUTE.
SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING STANDALONE THAT I'VE FOUND LIKE AUSTIN, BUT I'M STILL LOOKING AT THAT.
SO, UM, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
SO, UM, IT'S AN INTERESTING TOPIC.
IT'S A BIG TOPIC AND, UH, UM, HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE LITTLE CHUNKS OF WHAT WE CAN DO AND RECOMMEND, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UH, MAKE SOME HEADWAY WITH, UH, WITH
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ANY QUESTIONS.WELL, I HAVE A, I HAVE A REQUEST.
WOULD YOU REACH OUT TO MY REPLACEMENT YOLANDA WHEN SHE GETS CERTIFIED AND ASK HER TO JOIN YOUR WORKING GROUP? I KNOW SHE HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DISTRICT TO PROBABLY TELL SOME STORIES BEGIN, UH, A PART OF THAT, THE LINE.
UM, I DID NOTICE WHEN YOU LATELY, SOME THINGS POSTED ON NEXT DOOR ABOUT A DOG ISSUE, YOU'LL HAVE PROBABLY A HUNDRED COMMENTS.
IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE HOW BIG THESE ISSUES HAVE BECOME, UM, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM C THE MICROCHIPPING WORK GROUP.
[3c. Update, Discussion and Possible Action on Work Group for How to Increase Microchipping in the City of Austin]
DOMINIC, IS THERE ANY UPDATE? YES, WE HAD, UH, OUR FIRST MEETING LAST WEEK.UM, I THINK IT WENT VERY WELL.
WE LOOKED AT WHAT AREAS WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE IN THAT HAS THE HIGHEST INTAKE.
UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT CAN WE DO NOW VERSUS WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE OPENED BACK UP, YOU KNOW, THE WORLD AND, UH, LOTS OF GOOD IDEAS IN TERMS OF, UH, MARKETING, EDUCATING PSA'S, UH, LOTS OF PROGRESS HAPPENED VERY QUICKLY AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, OUR COMMISSIONER EDWARD FLORES.
HE MADE A LOT OF IT HAPPEN, AND WE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, UH, ON APRIL 10TH, WE'RE DOING A MICROCHIP CLINIC FROM EIGHT TO NOON.
IT'S GOING TO BE A DRIVE-THROUGH THAT IS IT'S.
PEOPLE ARE BOOKING APPOINTMENTS FART, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
SO THAT IS ONE TEST THAT WE CAN UTILIZE WHILE WE ARE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, CAN'T GO INTO THE PUBLIC PARKS AND HAVE MASSIVE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE SHOW UP.
SO A LOT OF PROGRESS, UH, WE'RE EXCITED.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE MEETINGS, WE'LL CONTINUE TO HONE THIS DOWN AND GET A LIST OF PRIORITY LIST OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FIRST AND THEN WORK OUR WAY OUT FROM THERE.
SO, UH, GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND WE KNOW MICROCHIP ANIMALS GET HOME SEVENTY-THREE PERCENT GREATER THAN NON MICROCHIP ANIMALS.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO INCREASE OUR NUMBERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR DON? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL MOVE TO NEW BUSINESS UPDATE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE
[4a. Discussion and Possible Action on City of Austin Budget]
ACTION ON MISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, REVISED CITY ORDINANCE THREE DASH TWO DASH EIGHT, TRAINING AND CONTROL OF ANIMALS, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE BULL HOOK ITEM AND THIS ITEM, AND KEEP IN MIND, THIS WAS THREE YEARS AGO.SO IF KATIE OR CRAIG HAS ANYTHING TO CORRECT ME ON, PLEASE DO, BUT THIS IS THE ORIGINAL FULL HOOK ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ATTACHED AS A BACKUP THAT WENT TO HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND CITY COUNCIL.
SO, FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE GOT TO HELP THE HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE IS WE WERE MET WITH A HIGH RANKING OFFICIAL FROM A RODEO AUSTIN.
AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE ORDINANCE CLEARLY SAID ELEPHANTS CIRCUS AND BULL HOOK, HE SPOKE AGAINST IT ON THE GROUNDS.
I SUPPOSE, THAT HE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING AFTER THE ROAD.
AND THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM TO GO AFTER THE RODEO.
AND AUSTIN X'S, EVEN THOUGH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE VERY ANIMAL FRIENDLY, THEY ALSO LOVE THE RODEO.
SO I HAD, I HAD TO GET UP IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE AND THIS GENTLEMAN, AND, UH, BASICALLY PROMISE THAT WE HAD NO INTENTION OF GOING AFTER THE RODEO AND THE ARTIFACT, THE ROVIO, AND WE GOT IT THROUGH.
OKAY, THEN WE GET THE COUNCIL.
IF YOU REMEMBER THE RELEASED TWO LOBBYISTS FROM BRINGING BROTHERS CIRCUS THERE, WHICH WAS INTERESTING.
UM, AND THEN DURING THE DISCUSSION WITH CITY COUNCIL, UM, TWO THINGS CAME UP, COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS MADE THE COMMENT THAT THEY THOUGHT THIS WAS GREAT, BUT IT'S TOO BAD THAT IT WAS JUST FOCUSED ON ELEPHANTS AND BE NICE IF WE COULD PROTECT ALL ANIMALS.
UM, AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH I THINK THE BULL HOOK IS PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVE TO ELEPHANTS, AND THAT WAS OUR GOAL WAS TO BAN THE BULL HOOK.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP WAS THAT, UH, SECTION C HAD SIX.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM, BUT IT HAD SIX, UH, VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WE WORKED VERY HARD ON.
AND, UH, COUNCIL STRIP ALL SIX OF THOSE OUT OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE ORDINANCE PASSED, BUT WITH JUST A AND B AND,
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UM, THE ACTION FOR ANIMALS HSUS STARTED TO GET A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THERE WAS, THERE MIGHT BE LOOPHOLES AND THAT IT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO FASHION MAKESHIFT BOOK AND GET AROUND THIS.WE DECIDED TO GO BACK IN AND COME UP WITH A NEW ORDINANCE THAT WOULD EXPAND THAT.
AND SO I KNOW IT WAS KATIE AND JONATHAN HOGUE.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHO ELSE WAS ON THAT.
PROBABLY LARRY, WE WORKED REALLY HARD AND WE WORKED WITH TAWNY AND WE TOOK THE LESSONS FROM THAT THOSE TWO PREVIOUS MEETINGS FOR ONE, WE COULDN'T SAY ELEPHANTS, WE HAD TO SAY ANIMALS.
AND ALSO WE COULDN'T UPSET THE RODEO BECAUSE AGAIN, IT WAS NOT GOING TO BAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT IN C, WHICH IN NO WAY, AUTHORIZES THE USE OF INSTRUMENTS ON LIVESTOCK.
ALL IT DOES IS MEAN THAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BE ENFORCED IF THEY USE IT ON ANY OTHER ANIMAL, BUT THERE ARE STATE PROVISIONS, CRUELTY CODES IN THE STATE THAT ARE WAY MORE STRICT THAN THIS CODE WAY, YOU KNOW, JAIL TIME INSTEAD OF JUST THOUSAND DOLLAR FINE OR WHATEVER.
SO WE FELT THAT THE ONLY WAY TO GET IT THROUGH WAS TO PUT THAT IN THE PROVISION, THIS WENT THROUGH CONNIE HAMMOND, TONY HAMMOND WENT THROUGH LEGAL, EVERYTHING WAS DONE PROPER.
AND, UH, ANOTHER THING IS, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
AND BEFORE THE COMMISSION, SOME LANGUAGE WENT TO THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE, SAME LANGUAGE AT ONE PERSON OBJECTED UNTIL THURSDAY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I AGREED TO LET IT BE PULLED ON THURSDAY SO THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT BEFORE THAT MEETING WAS OVER, I HAD RECEIVED AT LEAST TWO CALLS FROM COUNCIL OFFICES.
THING THAT IF C IS REMOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER IS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AUSTIN RODEO, YOU MIGHT AS WELL TRY TO BAN WILLIE NELSON BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBERS LOVE THE RODEO.
AND I WILL SAY IT'S A LITTLE INSULTING, ESPECIALLY AFTER HEARING RYAN, UH, GIVE ME ALL THOSE PLATITUDES, BUT OUT HERE, PEOPLE THINK THAT 80 GIRL AND DAVID LAND'S DEAD GARDEN AES OR, OR, OR WANTING TO SOMEHOW AUTHORIZE THE USE OF RURAL DEVICES ON LIFESTYLE NO WAY.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S A BIG MISUNDERSTANDING.
AND I THINK THIS, THIS ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN IS SOUND, AND I THINK MY FIRST PLAN A WOULD BE JUST TO KEEP IT AS IT IS, SEND IT BACK CONTACT.
UM, LISA, I BELIEVE LEAVE, UH, TOVO IS YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER.
I KNOW THAT DON'S ALREADY REACHED OUT, I'VE REACHED OUT, YOU COULD REACH OUT.
UM, AND I EXPLAINED THAT, UH, LIVESTOCK OR ARE WELL-PROTECTED AND, AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN BEST NOT UNDER THIS INTENT WAS THE ORIGINAL TENANT WAS ALWAYS TO GO BACK AND FIX THE LOOPHOLES FOR ELEPHANTS.
AND B IS AN I-PASS DID ALSO PLAN B IF THAT, THAT DOESN'T SOUND GOOD IS WE COULD GO BACK TO THREE TO SEVEN TREATMENT OF ELEPHANTS AND WE COULD, WE COULD REWRITE IT WITH THE LANGUAGE FROM BRUTE AND JUST PICK THE ELEPHANTS.
NOW THAT'S FINE WITH ME BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WRITTEN INTENT, BUT PROTECT THE ELEPHANT FROM ANY KINDS OF LOOPHOLES FROM THE ORIGINAL 32, BUT THEN WE LOSE THE MORE BROAD TERM OF ANIMALS.
SO I'D LIKE TO GET ANYBODY'S THOUGHTS, UM, ESPECIALLY FROM YOUR ATTORNEYS, IF YOU AGREE THAT BY OUTLAWING ONE THING, IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY GIVE CARTE BLANCHE ON PHARMA.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THREE YEARS.
AND I, SO DAVID, WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT THIS ORDINANCE BY
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EXEMPTING, UM, EXEMPTING, THE ANIMALS LISTED IN C IN LIVESTOCK, IT DOES NOT PREEMPT STATE CRUELTY LAWS.SO ANYONE PERFORMING A CRUEL ACT UNDER THE STATE CODE, UM, UNDER THE STATE PENAL CODE WOULD STILL BE PROSECUTED FOR CRUELTY AGAINST LIVESTOCK.
IT WOULD JUST NOT BE PROSECUTED OR FIND UNDER THREE, BUT THEN AGAIN, THE STATE LAW IS VERY MUCH MORE PUNITIVE THAN THE CITY ORDINANCE, CORRECT? YES.
ANOTHER THING TO SAY IS WHY WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU STIR UP THE, THIS IS, UH, UH, A YEAR THAT THE, THAT TEXAS CONGRESS IS MEETING, AND IF YOU STIR UP ANYTHING, THAT'S ANTI RODEO, THEY'LL SLIP SOMETHING IN THERE.
THEY COULD, THEY COULD UNDO THIS WHOLE THING, JUST BANG.
AND, UH, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PICK YOUR BATTLES SOMETIMES, UH, RLS, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, UH, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS I DON'T EAT ANIMALS.
I, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF YOU GO OUT INTO A BARBECUE JOINT OUT IN THE HILL COUNTRY AND SAY THAT YOU'LL GET RUN OUT ON A RAIL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT'LL HAPPEN.
BUT, UH, UH, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WE TREAT A LOT OF OUR FARMING OF ANIMALS VERY POORLY, BUT HOW DO WE GO ABOUT INTELLIGENTLY KNOCKING THIS DOWN? AND I, I AGREE WITH DAVID HERE.
I THINK WE GOTTA GO STEP AT A TIME, UH, OR ELSE WE COULD GET THE WHOLE THING KNOCKED OUT FROM UNDER US.
I'LL JUST REALLY QUICK, REALLY QUICKLY ECHO WHAT CRAIG SAID.
I, I HAVE BEEN A FARM ANIMAL ADVOCATE SINCE I WAS A CHILD.
I'VE BEEN A VEGAN FOR 20 YEARS.
AND IF THERE'S EVER AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT LIVESTOCK, I WILL BE THERE FOR THEM.
AND I, I AM ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO HELP AND ADVOCATE FOR FARM ANIMALS.
I WILL JUST SAY THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS, YOU KNOW, THE TWO OPTIONS THAT DAVID LAID OUT ARE KEEP IT AS IT IS, AND IT APPLIES TO MULTIPLE SPECIES OR GO BACK TO ELEPHANTS.
AND WE ARE, WE HAVE PROTECTED ELEPHANTS, UM, REMOVING SEE, AND HAVING THE SUPPLY TO ALL ANIMALS IS SIMPLY NOT AN OPTION THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN WILLING TO CONSIDER IN THE PAST BECAUSE OF THE RODEO.
AND WE WOULD MUCH RATHER TAKE THE APPROACH OF PROGRESS, NOT PERFECTION HERE, AND INCLUDE AS MANY ANIMALS IN AS MANY PROTECTIONS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND JUST TO THE POINT, ALSO THAT CRAIG MADE ABOUT THE STATE LEGISLATURE MEETING RIGHT NOW, THERE ISN'T, THERE IS A BILL THAT HAS BEEN FILED, UM, THAT IS, UH, TARGETED AT LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT, UM, UH, THE RESTRICT ACTIONS ON WORKING ANIMALS, IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I REMOVING C AND O AND THE CITY COUNCIL WAS EVEN WILLING TO CONSIDER PASSING IT WITH THE REMOVAL OF C.
THAT WOULD BE EVERYTHING THAT THE STATE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO FAST TRACK THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION THROUGH BY MAKING THIS AN EXAMPLE.
AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATE WHERE NO ANIMAL THAT WORKS WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PROTECTED.
AND SO THIS HAS FAR REACHING CONSEQUENCES HAS BEEN MANY YEARS IN THE MAKING.
I BELIEVE TRULY THAT THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TODAY ARE WELL INTENTIONED THAT THE YOU, THAT YOU ALL CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT FARM ANIMALS AS I DO.
UM, BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY AN ISSUE OF PROTECTING, PROTECTING A FEW VERSUS PROTECTING NONE.
AND SO I, I DO HOPE THAT WE CAN SEND THIS BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, AS IT WAS ON THURSDAY, UM, AND GET THIS VOTED THROUGH TO PROTECT THE ANIMALS THAT WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THEN I DO HOPE THAT THERE IS SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE WAY LIVESTOCK ARE TREATED.
I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE AVENUE TO DO IT.
I WANT TO MAYBE CLARIFY SOMETHING AND MAYBE I MISHEARD THIS, BUT I THOUGHT WHAT WAS SAID WAS, OKAY, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE C IS IN PLACE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WON'T BE PROSECUTED AT THE STATE LEVEL.
AND I THINK THE ANSWER WAS, YES.
I THINK JUST TO REFINE THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL BE PROSECUTED AT THE STATE LEVEL.
UM, BUT LET'S ALL JUST BE CLEAR.
AND SO THIS, UH, THIS PART C YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY COULD USE TO ARGUE, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIVESTOCK.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT ANYONE HAS SAID SO FAR.
I MEAN, I PROTECT AS MANY ANIMALS AS WE CAN.
UH, BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT C REALLY MEANS.
IT'S NO GUARANTEE THAT IT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN AT THE STATE LEVEL.
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PROHIBIT IT ALSO, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WHEN WE SEND THEM A RECOMMENDATION, AS THE EXAMPLE IS THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WHERE THEY JUST WIPED OUT SIX LINES, JUST LIKE THAT.AND I ALMOST WISH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER POVO IS WOULD'VE MOVED TO REMOVE THAT.
I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO DO IT, IT AT THEIR PERIL, THAT'S UP TO THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'LL PASS.
AND IF IT DOES, THEN I THINK THAT WHAT KATIE WARNED ABOUT WOULD PROBABLY BE THEM READING COMMENTS.
RYAN, YOU HAD A QUESTION OR A COMMENT.
I WANTED TO FURTHER CLARIFY THAT, UM, THE CITY OF AUSTIN COULDN'T PROHIBIT THE STATE FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE POWER, BUT THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY'S POWERS.
THE STATE GOVERNMENT IS SUPERIOR TO THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
AND SO, UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO, UH, OVERTURN OR LIMIT THE AUTHORITY OF THE STATE AS LISA POINTED OUT, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT PROSECUTE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO DO.
SO, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE FIRST IS THAT, UM, THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR FOUR YEARS ON THIS WANT CRUELTY, INFLICTED UPON FARM ANIMALS.
I'VE BEEN A PARTICIPANT AT PROBABLY ALL OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THESE ISSUES.
I'VE GONE TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I WAS AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THE FIRST TIME THE ELEPHANT, UH, ISSUE CAME UP.
UM, THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF THE DESIRE OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED NOT TO PROTECT ANIMALS.
NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH YEAH.
IDEA THAT THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO PROTECT THESE ANIMALS.
I THINK THAT IF WE HAD A RESOLUTION OF THE AUSTIN ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION OF WHETHER WE WOULD WANT AS A MATTER OF POLICY FOR FARM ANIMALS TO ALSO BE PROTECTED, THAT IT WOULD PASS INANIMATELY, I PRESUME IT WOULD BE, UM, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO, UH, TO ADD LANGUAGE IN YOUR LETTER, DAVID, THAT'S THAT, THAT THANKS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO FOR THINKING OF THE FARM ANIMALS AND LETS HER KNOW THAT AS A MATTER OF POLICY, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD WANT CRUELTY INFLICTED ON FARM ANIMALS EITHER.
UM, BUT THIS, THAT WE'RE SIMPLY MAKING, UM, A CHOICE TO ATTEMPT TO PASS A PASSIBLE ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH COMES WITH COMPROMISES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE IN YOUR LETTER.
UM, IF MAYBE I CAN HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WHEN THIS GOES TO COUNCIL, YOU ADD LANGUAGE IN YOUR LETTER TO SUPPORT, UH, THE, THE POLICY RATIONALE BEHIND SENDING IT BACK TO US.
BUT THAT, AS A MATTER OF POLITICS, WE SIMPLY, UM, THINK THAT THIS IS MORE LIKELY TO PASS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT I JUST FLOAT THAT OUT THERE AND YOU CAN ACCEPT IT OR NOT ACCEPTED, BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY THINKING THAT WE DISAGREE WITH THE POLITICS.
WE DON'T, HERE'S WHAT I CAN DO.
AND I SAY, I, AS, AS I HAVE TO DO IT QUICKLY, BECAUSE I COULD BECOME A EX CHAIR IN A MATTER OF DAYS.
UM, BUT IF WE WANT TO, IF WE WANT TO SEND THIS BACK, THERE'S A FORM THAT I FILL OUT THAT LAYS OUT THE RECOMMENDATION AND GIVES A RATIONALE AND I CAN, WHATEVER I WANT IN THERE.
AND IF WE VOTE, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO VOTE TO SEND IT BACK TO THEM, THEN I CAN PUT THOSE WORDS IN THERE EXACTLY HOW YOU, HOW YOU PLACED THEM AND JUST TELL THEM OUR TENT WAS THIS.
DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT? IS THERE ANYBODY ON THIS CALL WHO, WHO DISAGREES AS A MATTER OF POLICY, THAT, THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS NOT A, THIS IS NOT A POLICY THING.
AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO PROTECT AS MANY ANIMALS AS WE CAN.
UM, YEAH, DAVID, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE HISTORY.
I WAS HOPING YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER THE OTHER DAY, I'M LIKE, WASN'T THIS SOME KIND OF POLITICAL DEAL THAT HAD TO BE STRUCK, BUT IT HAD BEEN SEVERAL YEARS AS YOU'VE MENTIONED.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT BACK THAT BACKGROUND, BECAUSE THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS REMEMBERING.
I THOUGHT DID THAT, WAS THAT A COVID DREAM? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? UM, AND THAT'S NOW WHAT I RECALL IS THAT WE REALLY STRUGGLED WITH IT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE, WHAT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO GET
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THE BULK OF THE GOOD STUFF THROUGH THERE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO BE THIS COMPROMISED.SO I APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING THAT THOROUGHLY.
SO WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'LL SEND THIS BACK AND ADD THE DISCLAIMER, OR ARE THE ADDED LANGUAGE OF OUR SUPPORT FOR LIVESTOCK AND FARM ANIMALS AND THE RATIONALE FOR WHY WE INSERTED? I DON'T, I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY PASSED IT.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK ANY, ANY VOTER IN TO ALL BE IN AGREEMENT THAT IT DID GO BACK.
AND I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY IS JUST AS A BACKUP, IF YOU GUYS IN THE FUTURE WANT TO, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THIS ONE, YOU'VE GOT THAT REWORKED LANGUAGE FOUR, THREE, TWO SEVEN, THE ELEPHANT ONE JUST SITTING THERE THAT Y'ALL COULD STOP IT APPROVE AND, AND GET THE COUNCIL.
AND IT WOULD PROBABLY PASS JUST AS EASILY, BUT A PLAN A IT'S JUST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, QUESTION, BRIAN, I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING AND I'M SORRY.
UH, THE, IT JUST, IT, IT KILLS ME A LITTLE THAT, THAT YOU FEEL, UM, THAT YOUR MOTIVES HAVE BEEN ATTACKED.
AND, UM, UH, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS THAT AFTER ONE, AFTER THIS COMMISSION TAKES AN ACTION, SOMEBODY ON THE COMMISSION, UH, AND SOMETIMES SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION AND SOMETIMES VOLUNTEERS, IN ADDITION TO THE SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE TO SPEND 20 TO 40, TO 60 TO 80 HOURS, UH, AT CITY HALL, WORKING WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF, CITY, STAFF, UM, TO, TO GET THESE THINGS FOR US.
IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE AS WE PASS IT AND IT'S DONE.
I MEAN, OURS IS A, IS A, IS A FIRST STEP.
UM, IT TAKES AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET ANY OF THIS STUFF PASSED.
UH, HOW MANY YEARS WAS IT BEFORE THE CAT DECLAW GOT PASSED BETWEEN THE DAY THAT THE CA I MEAN, I WASN'T EVEN ON THE COMMISSION WHEN IT GOT PASSED.
SO, I MEAN, HOW MANY, HOW LONG WAS IT THESE TWO ITEMS WERE WITHIN MONTHS OF EACH OTHER AND FOR VARYING REASONS, THEY BOTH TOOK THREE YEARS TO REACH THE GOALS.
RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT MAKES MY POINT, RIGHT.
IT TOOK THREE YEARS, UM, TO GET SOMETHING PASSED BEYOND THIS COMMISSION.
SO, UM, THE IDEA THAT DAVE AND KATIE WOULD, UM, WOULDN'T WANT, WOULD NOT WANT TO PROTECT ADDITIONAL ANIMALS, UM, KNOWING THE BATTLE THAT THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM TO GET THIS PASSED IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS.
THIS IS A ENORMOUS WORK THAT THEY WILL PERSONALLY TAKE ON TO GO TRY TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN TO HELP AS MANY ANIMALS AS THEY CAN.
AND, UM, I'M SORRY IF, UM, ANYTHING ISN'T BEING DISCUSSED, UH, THAT WOULD INDICATE OTHERWISE, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, DAVID, THIS HAS GONE.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? ABSOLUTELY.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CALLED IN UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITY CODE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE WRITTEN TO COVER SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE AND THEIR STATE CODE OUT THERE THAT, THAT THE CITY COULD NEVER WRITE VIOLATIONS AS PUNITIVE AS THE STATE HAS.
AND SO, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE PENAL CODE, THOSE ANIMALS ARE PROTECTED.
WHY WOULD THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR THE CITY TO COVER THAT WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SUPERSEDES IT THAT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, CARRIES STIFFER PENALTIES AND JAIL TIME.
SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF CITY ORDINANCES THAT LEAVE THINGS OUT BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT COVERS IT.
AND THAT'S THINK I NEED, IF THAT COULD BE POINTED OUT IN YOUR EMAIL, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE UNFINISHABLE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE WE WILL MOVE ON THAT TAKES US OFF A NEW BUSINESS.
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WE DO NEED TO ADD OFFICER ELECTIONS OF THE NEW BUSINESS.UM, AND REGARDING THAT OUT, I'LL HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL TAKE A MONTH TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHO WANTS TO BE FAIR.
AND, UH, I HAVE A PLAN WHEN Y'ALL ALL GET THERE AND WHOEVER, WHOEVER DOES BECOME CHAIR, UM, I LITERALLY HAVE A FILE
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ON MY COMPUTER, AN AAC FILE WITH HUNDREDS.I MEAN, HUNDREDS OF DOCUMENTS FROM YEARS PAST RECOMMENDATIONS, BYLAWS, YEARLY REPORTS, I CAN MAKE YOUR LIFE SO MUCH EASIER.
SO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO ME WITH MY PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS.
I WILL FORWARD ANYTHING YOU NEED AT ANY TIME.
AND I'VE ALREADY OFFERED BELINDA TO, UH, ASK ANY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHE MIGHT HAVE, AND THE SAME GOES FOR THE NEW CARE.
UM, ANY OTHER ITEMS TO PUT ON FUTURE AGENDA BEFORE WE, UH, WRAP THINGS UP? OKAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INDULGE ME ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE, UH, RYAN AND PALMER WERE HERE LAST, BUT I HAVE ONE MORE STORY.
I WANT TO TELL BEFORE I ADJOURN.
SO BACK WHEN, BACK WHEN I WAS BUYING MARTINEZ IS, UH, APPOINTEE.
UM, I SERVED AS THE, AT THE CITY EMPLOYEE POSITION.
SO I RETIRED IN 2014 IN JANUARY, AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, OOH, THIS COULD BE A PROBLEM.
WHAT SHOULD I DO? UM, SO I DECIDED, JUST IGNORE IT AND HOPE THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT, NOT NOTICE.
UH, AND I MADE IT SIX MONTHS AND THAT SUMMER I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE CITY PART SAYING YOU'RE NO LONGER EMPLOYED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
SO I CALLED UP PUCKER AND I TOLD HIM, I SAID, WELL, I'M LARRY, I'M OFF.
UM, I'M GOING TO SIT OUT, I'M GOING TO TAKE A SIX MONTH BREAK.
AND THEN MY FRIEND DAHLIA CARS WAS RUNNING.
THIS WAS WHEN THE NEW TEN ONE WAS COMING UP.
I'LL JUST GET HER TO APPOINT ME AND I'LL GET BACK ON.
AND LARRY SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO WITHOUT ME KNOWING IT, HE CALLS IT PALMER.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT SAID, BUT NO ONE, LARRY, IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE PALMER, YOU NEED TO RESIGN.
LET CHRIS RILEY APPOINT DAVID, AND WE'LL GET YOU BACK ON THE SIX MONTHS AS THE CRAZIEST THING I'VE EVER WITNESSED.
TWO PHONE CALLS LATER, PALMER WAS OFF AND CHRIS RILEY HAD APPOINTED ME AND I DIDN'T MISS ONE, NOT ONE.
AND I MEAN, PALMER, WE'RE FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOOD, GREAT RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE DRINKING BEER ON FRIDAY NIGHTS OR FOR EXCHANGING CHRISTMAS CHRISTMAS CARDS.
I MEAN, THIS WAS AN INCREDIBLE THING SHE DID.
AND, UH, I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THE COMMISSION WITHOUT FILLING THAT STORY BECAUSE IT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST SELFLESS THING ANYONE'S EVER DONE.
UH, AND I, YOU KNOW, I OFTEN THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF SOMEBODY WOULD ASK ME TO DO THAT WITH, I HADN'T DONE THAT, THAT, AND I HOPE I WANT IT, BUT, UH, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE, I MEAN, I THINK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME PALMER AND, UH, SO I JUST HOPE THAT EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE, SOME POINT TO, TO BE ON THE RECEIVING END OF WHAT PALMER DID FOR ME.
AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY WILL ALSO BE IN A PALMER AND THEN DOING SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY INCREDIBLE, I JUST THINK IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
AND I'M GLAD I THINK BACK ON, BECAUSE WE WERE SWEATING THAT OUT, THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT PAN KITCHEN WAS GOING TO GET ELECTED.
THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE SHE WAS GOING TO APPOINT FORMER AND I HAVE THE FEELING LARRY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT.
UM, YOU GUYS, UH, CARRY ON AND THEN, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU AROUND MEETING ADJOURNED.