[CALL TO ORDER]
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2021 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND BEFORE WE DO THE ROLL CALL, I JUST WANT TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF OUR ONE VACANCY, UH, WE HAVE, UH, 10 PEOPLE.
UM, SO THE VOTES FOR THE SUPER MAJORITY WILL BE EIGHT OUT OF 10.
AND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, OUT OF COROLLA, UH, IS, UH, ABSENT TONIGHT AND KELLY BLOOM IS FILLING IN FOR HER.
AND, UH, SO THANK YOU KELLY FOR DOING THAT.
AND THEN, UM, DONNIE HAMILTON, OUR OTHER ALTERNATE WILL BE FILLING IN FOR MELISSA ON ONE OF THE CASES LATER, UH, THIS EVENING.
UH, MR. HAMILTON ALSO FOR BEING AVAILABLE, UH, HOPE EVERYBODY WAS ABLE TO ENDURE OUR WINTER ARCTIC BLAST WITHOUT TOO MUCH, UM, PROBLEMS. SO ANYWAY, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE ROLL CALL, BROOKE.
MELISSA HAWTHORNE, DON LAYTON BURWELL HERE, ROM MCDANIEL HERE.
MICHAEL BOND, OLIN HERE AND KELLY BLOOM CURE.
CAN I ASK A ELENA QUESTION REAL QUICK, SHORTLY THE APPOINTMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN THEIR LAST MEETING? UH YASMIN'S REPLACEMENT THOMAS WAS ON THAT, WOULD HE BE, SHE STARTS MARCH 1ST, TECHNICALLY UNDER OUR BYLAWS, RIGHT? YES.
BUT IF HE HASN'T COMPLETED THE TRAINING, NO, HE'S NOT.
READY TO START UNTIL TRAINING HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
UH, ONE OTHER THING REAL QUICKLY, UH, THAT I WANTED TO, TO, UH, UM, MENTION, UM, IS, UM, UH, SHOUT OUT TO DIANA RAMIREZ.
SHE IS OUR LIAISON WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND, UH, UM, SHE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS, UH, LOOKED AT THE AGENDA, HOPEFULLY YOU DID, BUT, UH, SHE HAS WORKED WITH ME OVER THE PAST MONTH TO REVAMP THE FORMATTING OF THAT AND, UH, UH, DID A GREAT JOB.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE DIANA SHE'S OFTEN THE, UH, BEHIND THE SCENES HERO ON THIS.
SO, UH, UH, ANYWAY, UH, SHOUT OUT TO HER.
UM, SO, UM, WE, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, WE ARE STILL DOING, UM, THE REMOTE MEETINGS, UH, THAT MAY CHANGE AS WE MOVE INTO THE YEAR AS VACCINES AND STUFF HAPPENED.
YEAH, BROOKE, IT WAS YASMIN SMITH THINKING THAT SHE DIDN'T NEED TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
UH, ELAINE IS ISN'T IT CORRECT? THAT SHE WILL BE HERE? UM, SHE'S SUPPOSED TO, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO FILL IN UNTIL WE TOLD HER OTHERWISE HER REPLACEMENT WAS, UM, WELL, TILL SHE WAS REPLACED, BUT WITH THAT TRAINING NOT BEING DONE, SHE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
UM, I DID REACH OUT TO HER AND I HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM HER, SO I'M NOT SURE.
UM, AND, UH, AGAIN, IF WE HAVE AN ABSENCE, CAN, CAN, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN MAYBE REACH OUT TO HER ELAINE IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES? AND YEAH, I MEAN, I REACHED OUT TO HER, UH, FRIDAY AND I REACHED OUT TO HER AGAIN THIS MORNING AND I HAVEN'T HEARD NO, NO CONFIRMATION.
MAYBE IF YOU CAN CALL HER OFFLINE HERE, UH, BECAUSE, UH, IF, IF SHE IS NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE, THEN WE CAN GET DONNY TO FILL IN FOR HER, UM, TONIGHT, UH, AND LESS, UNLESS SHE IS SEEING THIS, THAT SHE HAS ACTUALLY, UH, RESIGNED.
THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC BECAUSE THAT CHANGES THE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE.
SO, UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TRY TO REACH OUT TO HER.
JUST SO THAT WE CAN CLARIFY IT AND THANKS
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FOR THAT, BROOKE, BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE THAT WE KNOW, UH, WHAT OUR VOTING, UM, YES.SO ANYWAY, UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE MORE CUMBERSOME TO DO THIS ONLINE.
UM, BUT, UM, TO THAT END, UH, WE WILL HAVE THE, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION AND SUPPORT, UH, TO SPEAK AT THE FRONT OF THE MEETING AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
UM, AND, UH, WE WILL MOVE INTO THAT SECTION HERE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE, UH, THERE WILL BE ONE SPEAKER FOR, UH, EACH OF THE CASES THEY WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS A SECONDARY LIST OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP PREVIOUSLY, UM, THAT, UH, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE MAIN APPLICANT, WE CAN CALL FORTH, UM, THOSE, UH, OTHER PEOPLE, UM, BUT THAT'S AT OUR DISCRETION.
UM, THEY DON'T AUTOMATICALLY SPEAK.
UM, SO, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE GIVING TESTIMONY TONIGHT, UH, THAT ARE ON THE PHONE WAITING IN THE WINGS, UM, WE, UH, TYPICALLY HAD A, UH, A, UH, AN OATH THAT IS WARM.
UM, AND SO, UM, IF YOU WERE GIVING TESTIMONY TONIGHT, UH, WE WILL ASSUME THAT YOU SOLIDLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU GIVE TONIGHT WILL BE TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IF YOU CAN NOT, UM, AGREE TO THAT STATEMENT, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU NOT GIVE TESTIMONY TO NOT.
UM, SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S THAT, UM, LET ME LOOK AND SEE, OKAY, SO WE WILL, UH, MOVE ON
[A-1 Staff requests approval February 8, 2021 draft minutes]
TO, UM, UH, ITEM, UM, A ONE, UM, THIS IS, UM, APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY 8TH, 2021 DRAFT MINUTES.DO I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY, MELISSA.
AND SECOND BY, UH, I HAVE, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
ON THE MINUTES ON ITEM G THREE, WHERE WE WERE DOING THE SETBACK ALONG THE CANAL, UM, IT SAYS IT'S THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE CANAL, BUT I WAS THINKING THAT WE WERE SAYING 17 FEET AT THE HOUSE ON ENVELOPE ONLY.
AM I WRONG? AND THAT IT WOULD THEN, UH, GO BACK TO THE 25, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
I THINK THEY NEED IT FOR THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL.
I THOUGHT DRIVERS COULD BE IN THE SETBACK.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT IT WOULD BE THE HOUSE ENVELOPE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MELISSA AND A SECOND BY JESSICA.
UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL ON THAT.
DID WE LOSE WRONG? I DON'T SEE HIM ON MY SCREEN HERE.
WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND VERONICA, THANK YOU FOR, UH, UH, CONTINUING TO DO YOUR ROLE UNTIL WE CAN FIND A REPLACEMENT.
UH, ELAINE, DID YOU GET AHOLD OF YOUR HUSBAND? SHE MAY BE IN THE MIDST OF DOING IT.
SHE SAID SHE'S BOOKED ALREADY.
SHE'S ALREADY GOT ANOTHER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORT.
SHE'S UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HER TERM ENDED IN FEBRUARY.
SO SHE DIDN'T THINK SHE HAD TO FILL IN.
UM, NO, WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WOULD BE FILLING IN Y'ALL WOULD BE FILLING IN UNTIL Y'ALL'S REPLACEMENTS WERE READY.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DONNIE FILL FOR TONIGHT CHAIR, IF HE'S UP FOR IT.
ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT MR. HAMILTON BEFORE WE DO THAT? SO IF SHE IS ACTUALLY RESIGNED AND IS NOT JUST THEN WE NOW ARE A BOARD OF ONLY NINE, IS THAT RIGHT? I JUST CAN'T SAY RESIGNED THOUGH, BECAUSE HER LAST SENTENCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED RESIGNING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN ASK LEGAL.
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I, UH, I BELIEVE THAT I THINK IT'S EASY TO BRING THE NUMBER DOWN TO NINE.WELL, UM, WE'VE DONE PRE THE EIGHT BREAKING UP.
UH, I MAY, I MAY NEED TO DIAL IN, SORRY.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS A VACANCY OR SAY, I THINK YOU CAN STILL GO WITH THE, UM, WITH THE 10 PERSON DENOMINATOR ON ALL OF YOUR VOTES FOR TONIGHT, AND YOU NEED YOUR OWN VIEW.
PROBABLY HELPFUL IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.
SO, SO THEN MR. HAMILTON SHOULD BE ABLE TO THEN FILL IN FOR HER ON, AS A, AS A REGULAR BOARD MEMBER TONIGHT.
SO THEN WE WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE, UM, ON, UH, THE D TWO CASES THAT MELISSA YES.
SO WE WILL BE SHORT ONE BOARD MEMBER ON THAT.
SO MR. HAMILTON, ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT FOR US TONIGHT? EXCELLENT.
SO THAT WILL GIVE US STILL ARE, UM, A TALLY OF 10 PEOPLE, WHICH AGAIN, WILL, UH, FOR THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTES WILL, WILL BE, UH, A COUNT OF EIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE 75%.
SO THE, UM, DRAFT MINUTE WE SEE HERE.
[B-1 Staff and Applicant requests for postponement and withdraw of items posted on this Agenda]
ON ITEM B WOOLEN, UH, ELAINE, UH, I SEE YOUR BACK, UH, ARE, ARE THERE ANY REQUESTS FOR POSTPONEMENTS OR WITHDRAWLS NONE.AND THEN I WOULD ASK SPECIFICALLY ON THE CASE, THAT IS D TWO, WHICH IS ASSIGNED, UM, PREVIOUS POSTPONEMENTS, WHERE WE WILL BE ONE SHORT, IF THEY WANT TO CONSIDER POSTPONEMENT, UM, THEN THEY JUST NEED TO LET US KNOW ONCE WHEN WE GET TO THAT CASE.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE EASIEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT ONE MAJORITY.
THOSE ARE SIMPLE MAJORITY CASES.
SO THE, THE BAR IS LOWER FOR THE, UM, FOR THE SIGN CASES.
UM, SO LET'S MOVE ON, UM, TO, UM, THE LIST THAT I HAVE HERE.
AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING TO SPEAK, UM, AGAIN, THE, AN OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT OF THE CASES.
[E-1 C15-2021-0026 Matt Williams for Luis Zaragoza 4005 Sidehill Path (Part 2 of 2)]
IS ITEM E AS IN EDWARD E C 15 DAYS 20, UH, 21 DASH ZERO ZERO TWO SIX.THE ADDRESS OF THE, UH, PROJECT IS, UH, HOLD ON.
THIS IS, UM, 2005 SIDE HILL PATH.
AND IT'S, UH, LARRY, UH, GOSSAMER.
UH, I HOPE I DIDN'T BUTCHER YOUR NAME TOO BADLY.
SO MR. GUZMAN, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES AND I'LL HIT THE TIMER HERE, MR. CHAIR.
UH, THIS IS GARY'S HOUSE MERCK.
I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, THE REFERENCED ADDRESS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE REQUEST IS TO REDUCE THE MANDATORY SETBACK FROM TWENTY-FIVE FEET TO 15 FEET.
WHAT I DO NOT HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF, AND HAVEN'T BEEN INFORMED BY THE DEVELOPER IS WHAT STRUCTURE IS ENVISIONED TO BE LOCATED, UH, WITHIN THE 15 FOOT SETBACK.
I DON'T KNOW ITS A GATE, A FENCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PART OF THE PHYSICAL PROPERTY.
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TO JUST RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF THOSE INSIGHTS SO THAT I CAN PROPERLY FORM AN OPINION, WHICH MAY, UH, IN ESSENCE ULTIMATELY, UH, BE, UH, SUPPORTIVE.BUT I DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO FAVOR IT OR, OR NOT.
THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT SHARED WITH ME OR MY FAMILY AND OF THE PLANS, THE DETAILS.
AND SO WE'RE AT A, WE'RE AT A LOSS WE'RE HANDICAPPED AND BEING ABLE TO PROPERLY RESPOND AND AGGRESS TO REQUEST.
UM, W WAS THERE ANY MORE THAT YOU WANTED TO, I, I WISH I COULD ADD MORE IF I KNEW MORE ABOUT IT, BUT I, I, I'M NOT IN POSITION TO ADD ANY MORE SHIRT UNTIL I RECEIVE THE, THE BASIC BACKGROUND THAT I'M INTERESTED IN.
AND THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, UH, ONLINE, UM, IN OUR AGENDA, THE, UH, BACKUP INFORMATION AND THE, UH, PRESENTATION IS ONLINE.
SO YOU CAN GO IN AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, AND I'M SORRY THAT THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T REACH OUT TO YOU, UM, AS A COURTESY, BUT, UM, THAT, UM, UH, THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AND WHAT I WILL SAY, AND, AND, UH, IS THAT, UH, IT IS, UH, AT MY RECOLLECTION AND I'M PULLING UP THE CASE RIGHT NOW IS, IS THAT THE, UH, THE HOUSE ITSELF, UM, WILL, UM, UH, IS AFFECTED BY THAT, THAT SETBACK.
SO IT IS A HOUSE THAT THEY ARE ASKING TO ALLOW TO ENCROACH, UM, INTO WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE FRONT YARD SET BACK AND BASICALLY SWITCHING THE, THE FRONT FROM SIDE YARD.
BUT I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE CASE, BUT THAT'S, THAT IS, UH, IT IS A NEW HOUSE THAT IS LOOKING FOR THAT VARIANCE.
IT SAYS THE SAME ORIENTATION AS THE HOUSE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE.
AND IF YOU JUST GOOGLE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, AUSTIN, TEXAS, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE AS OUR AGENDA, AND THEN YOU COULD SEE WHAT LETTER NUMBER IT IS, AND YOU CAN CLICK ON IT AND IT'LL OPEN.
AND IT'LL GIVE YOU DETAILS ABOUT THE CASE.
I'M WONDERING, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, IF, UH, THE BOARD WOULD FAVORABLY ENTERTAIN, DEFERRING THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH SO THAT I MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROPERLY REVIEW, UH, THE, UH, WEBSITE, THE, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME, THE, UH, DEVELOPER WILL HAVE REACHED OUT, UH, TO ME, THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR PROPERTY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY SO THAT I MAY HAVE, UH, THE ABILITY TO GIVE A FAIR AND FULSOME, UH, STATEMENT, UM, UH, WITH REGARD TO THIS.
AND IT MAY BE THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE, UH, MAY TO OPPOSE IT, BUT I AM NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY THAT AT THIS JUNCTURE.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE REQUESTS THERE, SO, UM, IS, UM, ANYONE ON THE BOARD, ONE TO ENTERTAIN THE MOTION? UH, OKAY.
UH, BROOKE, I SEE YOUR HAND UP.
I'D LIKE IT, APPARENTLY THEY HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, THEY HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO THE PERSON RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
I THINK THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, UM, IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST, IF THEY REACHED OUT TO ALL OF THEIR NEIGHBORS AND INFORMED THEM OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY MIGHT HAVE LESS OPPOSITION THAN THEY DO CAUSE THEY HAVE A BIT OF OPPOSITION.
SO IS THAT A MOTION? I SAID, MOTION TO POSTPONE TO THE APRIL 4TH.
ADJUSTMENT THAT SHOW THE DATE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SEE DARYL HERE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE BY BROOKE BAILEY AND THE SECOND BY DARYL PRUITT, UH, APRIL 12TH, APRIL 12TH.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL.
I REALLY WOULD PREFER NOT TO POSTPONE THIS, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT THERE WAS AN ERROR MADE ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THEY'VE ALREADY DEMOED THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO GET BEFORE US.
SO I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A THERE'S OPPOSITION, BUT I, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD AT LEAST RECOGNIZE THAT MISTAKE WAS MADE ON THE PART OF CITY STAFF THEY HAD BEEN APPROVED ALREADY.
WELL, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS THAT THIS SETBACK LINE
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IS ON THE PLAT.THIS ISN'T SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY CLEAR, UH, AND, AND WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE PAPERWORK WHEN THIS, WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT.
SO I PREFER THAT WE NOT GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OR PER-CASE HERE, UH, AND JUST CONSIDER THE POSTPONEMENT.
AND SO, UH, JESSICA, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT YOUR CONCERN IS TO DELAY THAT THIS WILL CAUSE IN THE BUILDING, UH, BASED ON THAT, MICHAEL, YOU HAVE SEE YOUR HAND UP MR. CHAIR, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THOUGH, HIS BOOK STATED IT'S CURRENT IT'S, UH, THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE GOING INTO CURRENT FOOT TRAFFIC, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT SAYS ON THE, BUT THE EXISTING HOUSE WAS THERE.
IT WAS ALREADY WITHIN THE SETBACK.
SO, AND AFTER REVIEWING THIS, I'M SUPPORTING JESSICA ON IT.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UH, POSTPONE IT AS OF YET, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME VALID, UH, ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED, REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED IT, OR THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY WANT TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT, SO I'M HAPPY TO DEFER THE POSTPONEMENT UNTIL WE HEAR THE CASE.
THE MOTION UNTIL YOU HEAR THE CASE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND WITHDRAW THAT THEN.
UH, LEE, DID I SEE YOUR HAND? I JUST WANTED TO READ IT RIGHT.
THAT WE NEEDED TO SPEAK JUST ON THE MOTION TO POSTPONE, AS OPPOSED TO THE MERITS OF THE CASE.
UM, SO, UM, UM, SO TO, TO THE, UH, UH, NEIGHBOR WHO CALLED IN AND AN OPPOSITION, WE WILL CONSIDER A POSTPONEMENT OF THIS.
AFTER WE'VE HEARD THE CASE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO, TO ACT ON THAT AT THAT POINT.
AND AGAIN, THAT INFORMATION IS, UH, IS ONLINE.
UM, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A FEW DAYS.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US.
AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, PERSON THAT WE HAD, UM, THIS IS ON,
[F-5 C15-2021-0019 Lawrence Graham 5909 Bull Creek Road (Part 1 of 2)]
UH, ITEM F FIVE, UH, EPIS AND FRANK.THIS IS C 15 DASH 2021 DASH ZERO ZERO ONE NINE, UH, 59 OH NINE BULL CREEK ROAD.
AND IT'S SOMEONE THAT WE KNOW IT'S, UH, MR. WILLIAM HODGE IS THE ARCHITECT CO UH, SPEAKING IN SUPPORT.
HI, MICHELLE, UH, UM, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I SIMPLY WANTED TO, TO, UH, JUST TO SAY A COUPLE WORDS ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, UH, CLIENTS, LARRY GRAHAM, AND, UH, ANDREA GRISWOLD, UH, THE REQUESTED VARIANCE IS IN, IN MY OPINION, IS A, A VERY MINIMAL, UM, IS A VERY MINIMAL VARIANCE.
UM, UH, THEIR DESIRE THEY'VE WRITTEN IN THEIR APPLICATION IS TO HAVE A HOUSE THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR, UH, FOR MS GRISWOLD'S, UH, PARENTS, UH, TO, TO COME AND VISIT THEM.
UH, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FRAIL AND ELDERLY, UM, IN THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR THE HOUSE.
UH, IT BECAME VERY APPARENT THAT WE, IN, IN THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE THAT WE WANTED TO SEPARATE, UH, THE EXISTING HOUSE AND, UM, THIS NEW GUEST HOUSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO I SIMPLY WANTED TO, TO SIGN UP MOSTLY TO STATE THAT I WILL BE AVAILABLE WHEN, UH, MR. BRANDON GRISWOLD'S CASE IS HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
BUT ALSO JUST TO SAY THAT I, I BELIEVE WHEN I CONSULTED WITH, UH, WITH THE CLIENTS THAT THIS WAS A, A MINIMAL BARRIER, SO THAT'S ALL.
UH, SO, UM, FOLKS, JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SINCE WE ARE NOT HEARING THESE, WE'RE HEARING THESE FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THE REGULAR, UM, UM, LIST OF, OF CASES AS THEY COME UP, JUST KEEP THESE THINGS IN MIND WHEN WE GET TO THOSE CASES.
UM, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ALONG TO OUR, UM, UH, YOU SIGN CASES.
[C-1 C16-2021-0006 Stormi Wolf for Michael Harris 2101 Rio Grande Street]
UH, THIS IS C 16 DASH A TWO ZERO TWO ONE DASH ZERO ZERO ZERO SIX, STORMY WOLF FOR, UH, MICHAEL HARRIS AT, UH, 2101 REAL GRUNDY.AND THIS IS, UM, A VARIANCE FROM THE ASSIGNED REGULATIONS.
AND WE HAVE, UH, IT SAYS, UH, JIM BECKETT IS THE PRIMARY SPEAKER ON THIS.
MR. BECKETT, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
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WE'RE LOOKING TO JUST ADD SOME ILLUMINATION, ALL THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE SCIENCE MEET THE CODE.UM, PART OF IT IS A KIND OF A SAFETY WEIGHT BINDING, UH, ISSUE AS WELL.
IT'S VERY DIMLY LIT IT DOWN, SLIT DOWN THERE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS PER THE PHOTOGRAPHS IN MY PRESENTATION, SO LIVE IS TO HELP FACILITATE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FINDING THEIR WAY AT NIGHT EASILY.
UM, WE ARE USING LIKE A MILD, SUBTLE LIGHTING HALAL LIT EFFECT.
SO LET ME STOP YOU HERE JUST A SECOND.
SO WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS, BUT I'M NOT SEEING IT, UM, SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THE TWO.
UH, WE'RE WE'LL PUT, WE'RE PULLING UP YOUR PRESENTATION NOW.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT ONLINE.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE THE PRESENTATION OPEN JUST A FEW SECONDS.
IF I CLICK ON MINE, THEN YOU GUYS, AND I CAN'T SEE YOU GUYS ANYMORE.
I DON'T, YEAH, I CAN MINIMIZE THE PRESENTATION.
W WE, WE, WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP IT'S ON THE FIRST PAGE.
NOW YOU WILL SEE A DELAY IN WHAT YOU SEE.
SO THERE'S OUR INTRODUCTION PAGE.
UM, BASICALLY WE HAVE, UH, THREE SIGNS WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, UM, UH, ON THE CORNER.
WE'RE DOING A BLADE SIGN, UM, AND WE'D ALL THE SQUARE FOOT SETBACK, UH, PROJECTIONS I'LL MEET THE CODE.
THE ONLY, UH, VARIANCE WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS DOING INTERNALLY ELIMINATE THEM.
AND WE'RE ALSO USING A VERY HALO LIT TYPE WEDDING, WHICH IS KIND OF PART OF THE, I THINK THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE HALAL IT.
SO WE'RE KIND OF KEEPING IT SUBTLE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE VERY LOUD LIGHTING AT ALL, BUT, UM, ESSENTIALLY A LOT OF IT IS TO HELP WITH WAYFINDING AT NIGHT.
UM, MR. PECK, IF YOU WERE WANTING US TO SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN SEEING, ARE THEY THE FIRST SHEET, THEN YOU NEED TO LET STAFF KNOW THAT TOO.
UM, LET'S SEE, UH, PAGE TWO, IF, LOOK TO ME THAT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT IT ILLUMINATION MAY BE APPROVED, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE ANYWAY, FOR THIS DISTRICT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT PAGE ONE IS THE WHO KNOWS SIGN REGULATION, THAT IT KNOWS THAT IT MAY BE APPROVED SHORTLY ANYWAY, AS A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE FOR THAT CODE.
UM, SO THAT'S THAT PAGE? THIS PAGE HERE IS JUST SHOWING THE NEIGHBOR SIGNS EVERYWHERE.
THIS IS EVERYBODY AROUND THEM.
UH, THEY ALL HAVE ILLUMINATED SIGNS.
I TRIED TO GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENTATION TO SEE IF THEY WERE APPROVED FOR A VARIANCE.
I TRIED TO THE SYSTEM, UM, THE C, BUT ALL NEIGHBORING PEOPLE DO HAVE ELIMINATED SIGNAGE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
AND AB MOVE UP THE PAGE, PLEASE.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE, OKAY, THERE WE GO.
SO IF YOU JUST SAY NEXT SLIDE, I'M HAPPY TO JUST ADVANCES AS WE GO.
UM, I'M ADVANCING THEM RIGHT NOW.
IS THAT OKAY? OR DO YOU GUYS WANT TO, I'M SORRY.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PRESENTATION AND THE AB TECH GRACIOUSLY AND HELPING, HELPING US LOOK AT YOUR PRESENTATION AT THE SAME PACE YOU ARE.
SO WHEN YOU CHANGE YOUR PAGE, YOU, IF YOU COULD GIVE, GIVE HIM A CLUE, YOU'RE ADVANCING THAT WAY.
WE'LL BE IN THE SAME PLACE YOU ARE.
SO RIGHT NOW, COULD YOU HOLD ONE SECOND, MR. CHAIR, WE ALL HAVE THIS INFORMATION AND OUR PACKETS, WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE REVIEWED PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
AND IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE SEEING ON, ON, UH, THROUGH AVI, IF THERE IS NO REAL CONCERN FROM ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BOARD, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE.
I KNOW IT, IT, I THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN UNREASONABLE ASK AND I THINK, UH, THE HALO, THE HAZEL, UH, LIGHTING IS MUCH MORE SUBTLE.
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IT'S NOT QUITE IN YOUR FACE.I THINK IT, IT FITS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MICHAEL VAN OLIN AND THE SECOND FLIGHT WAS THAT JESSICA.
SOUNDED LIKE YOU, BUT I COULDN'T SEE ANYBODY, SO.
SO IF WE CAN PULL THE PRESENTATION DOWN, UM, UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, UM, DO WE NEED TO CLOSE IT? YEAH, LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE? UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE FINDINGS.
THE BOARD MUST DETERMINE THE EXISTENCE OF SUFFICIENCY, OF, AND WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THE FINDINGS AS DESCRIBED BELOW THE APPLICANT CONTENDS THAT HIS ENTITLEMENT TO THE REQUESTED VARIANCE IS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS.
THE VARIANCE IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THE DISTRICT ENFORCEMENT OF THE ARTICLE PROHIBITS ANY REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE SIGNS ON THE SITE.
CONSIDERING THE UNIQUE FEATURES OF THE SITES SUCH AS DEMENTIA, LANDSCAPING, OR TOPOGRAPHY.
AND CURRENTLY THIS CURRENTLY 21 RIO IS SURROUNDED BY ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE THAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN GRANTED THROUGH VARIOUS PROCESSES OR PRIOR TO THE UNO IMPLEMENTATION.
IT ALSO APPEARS THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS SUBMITTED REQUESTS TO CODE, BE CHANGE TO A LAW FOR LED SIGNS.
AND 21 RIO IS VERY DARK AT NIGHT.
THE GRANTING OF THIS VARIANCE WILL NOT HAVE A SUBSTANTIALLY ADVERSE IMPACT UPON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES BECAUSE MANY OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES HAVE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE.
ALSO THE TYPE OF ELIMINATION THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS A LOW IMPACT HALO TYPE SIGN ILLUMINATION.
THEY ARE NOT REQUESTING ANY ADDITIONAL DEVIATIONS FROM THE SIGN CODE.
I SIGNED PROJECTION QUANTITIES, ET CETERA.
THE GRANTING OF THIS VARIANCE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY CONFLICT WITH THE STATED PURPOSES OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THE REVERSE LIT ELIMINATION IS A LOW IMPACT TYPE OF LIGHTING AND WILL SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVE THE ABILITY OF THE COMPLEX TO BE FOUND AND RECOGNIZED.
AND FINALLY GRANTING A VARIANCE WOULD NOT PROVIDE THE APPLICANT WITH A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE, NOT ENJOYED BY OTHERS, SIMILARLY SITUATED OR POTENTIALLY SIMILARLY SITUATED BECAUSE ALLOWING ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE FOR 21 RIO WOULD PROVIDE, WOULD PROVIDE COMMENSURATE, READABILITY AND RECOGNITION AS SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WITH LIT SIGNS.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE OF BROOKLYN.
YOU GOT YOUR VARIANT, SO CONGRATULATIONS.
EVERYBODY WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE.
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MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, UH, IS, UM, D THESE ARE, UM, SIGN, UH, THESE WERE PREVIOUS POSTPONEMENTS ON, UH, SIGNAGE.THIS IS A D AS IN DAVID ONE, UH, C 16 DASH 2021 DASH ZERO OH ZERO ZERO ONE.
UH,
AND THIS IS A, UM, A REQUEST, A VARIANCE FROM THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
SO I HAVE, UH, MS. GUERRA, UH, AS THE, UM, MAIN SPEAKER AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS, IT PREVIEWS MEETINGS, WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE ARTWORK, UH, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS TO, FOR, FOR THE BOARD TO SEE WHICH ONE IS MORE ACCEPTABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
WE THINK THAT IS, THIS IS A PHARMACY ELIMINATE.
THE SIGNS ARE VERY IMPORTANT, AND THEY ARE ESSENTIAL FOR THE BUSINESS TO BE VISIBLE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, GO ALL THE PAGE, THE ONE OF THE 12,
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THESE WAS THE PREVIOUS, THE PREVIOUS ARTWORK THAT WERE SUBMITTED.AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON OVER THERE, BUT, UM, ON PAGE THE OTHER FOUR, THIS IS THE FIRST OPTION THAT WE, IF YOU WAIT A MINUTE FOR, UH, UH, YEAH, WE NEED TO GET AB STAFF TO GET TO THE PAGE OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO LET THEM KNOW WHICH PAGE YOU WANT TO GO TO AND WHEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT.
ONE IN THE PRESENTATION, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FENCING.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S THE CASE.
THERE'S ONLY ONE PAGE IN THE PRESENTATION.
THE OTHER IS THE OTHER BACKUP FROM THE PREVIOUS MONTH.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
SO IN THE, IN THE PAGES THAT YOU ARE VIEWING AT THIS MOMENT, THIS IS OPTION NUMBER TWO, THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS WAY LESS ILLUMINATION IN THE BUILDINGS.
ALL OF THE SIGNS ARE WHERE BIRDS LEAVES.
WE TOOK ONE OF THE PROJECTED SIGNS OFF WHEN WHICH WAS RIGHT IN THE AGE OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, UM, ALL OTHER WELTS, ALL OVER THE WORLD FARGO SIGN, THERE WAS A PROJECTED SIGN THERE, AND WE TOOK IT OFF.
WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, HAVE, UH, WHERE YOU'RE FACING THE EXISTING SIGNS SIGN THAT IT'S OVER, UH, UNDER BAR, THE VARSITY SIGNS AND THE, THE, THE WALL SIGNS ARE GOING TO BE, WE'RE ASKING TO BE ILLUMINATED.
THERE IS ONE PROJECTION SIGN, UM, HANGING OVER THE 24 THREE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT, THERE'S ALSO A PICTURE THAT IS, UM, BETWEEN THE THIRTIES AND THE FIFTIES, AND THIS WAS THEIR ORIGINAL, UM, THEIR ORIGINAL FORM OF THE KIND OF THING.
SO WE, THEIR CUSTOMERS, THE ONLY ONE TO RESTORE IT IN, THEY WERE LIKE FOR THE, UH, TANYA PETE TO BE THE WHITE USED TO BE, THEN YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION, WE TOOK OFF A LOT OF, UH, ILLUMINATED ILLUMINATION IN THE, UH,
SO WE ARE ASKING THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THESE NEW, UM, ARTWORK THAT WE ARE SUBMITTING RIGHT NOW.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO IT WAS DIFFICULT, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY ONE AS BROOKE POINTED OUT ONLY ONE, UM, THING IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO, UH, WHEN SHE WAS REFERRING TO OTHER THINGS, IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO KNOW WHAT THE ASK WAS.
LET'S GO WITH, UH, UH, JESSICA THEN MELISSA, AND THEN MICHAEL, UM, WHEN I WAS LOOKING OVER THIS WEEKEND, IF RIGHT, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THEY'VE DROPPED BASICALLY EVERY ASK THAT YOU HAD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ILLUMINATION REQUEST, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY JESSICA IN A SECOND BY MELISSA.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND, UM, UH, IT, CAN WE JUST, UH, MICHAEL, UH, GO AHEAD.
MR. CHAIR, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, ACTUALLY THEY'VE MADE, THEY MADE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REQUESTS BECAUSE I'M, UH, IN OUR PACKET ON D ONE 13, THEY HAVE THEIR PROPOSED FOR ONE OF THEIR ASS.
AND THEN IF YOU GO BACK UP, UH, ANOTHER ONE, THEY HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSED ASS THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT LESS.
SO THERE'S TWO PROPOSED ASKS HERE, UM, AND WHERE I WAS GOING TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT IF YOU GO IN OUR PACKET TO PAGE D DASH ONE 13, OKAY.
THAT'S, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, I THINK IT'S A PAGE FIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, THEY HAVE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT, THAT ON D ONE 13,
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THEY HAVE ALL THESE ASSETS THAT ARE LISTED THERE.THIS CAME IN FRONT OF US AND BROOKE, I THINK YOU WERE, YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ME WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, THE, IT WAS A LITTLE, THAT WAS A LOT.
SO THIS REALLY NARROWED IT DOWN.
AND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO WAS TO CLARIFY WHAT WAS, WHAT AND INDICATE WHAT GOES, WHERE, AND I'M, UH, I'M STILL OKAY WITH WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST MONTH THAT, UM,
UH, THE RED STAMP IS
UH
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS THE PAINTED HEART, BUT BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ALL DISCUSSING.
LAST TIME, A SMALL CVS, THE BLADE SIGN.
THAT'S HANGING OUT THERE BY THIS ON 20, I BELIEVE THAT'S 20.
LET ME GO GET CLINIC 23RD OR 24TH STREET BECAUSE NOBODY'S CAN PARK ALONG THAT STREET.
UH, AND THERE'S NO PARKING ALLOWED THAT, THAT STREET ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT BLADE SIGN BY THAT SIDE ENTRANCE OVER THERE, OR THERE, THE LITTLE ONE THAT HANGS THERE, THE ONE THAT'S ABOVE IT.
WITH ABOVE THE VARSITY SIGN, THERE WAS A BLANK PANEL THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THEIR CVS SIGN, WHICH IS LIT.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT COMING UP OR DOWN WATERLOO.
AND I WAS OKAY WITH, UH, IF WE GO BACK OVER HERE TOO, WITH THE PAINTED HARD ON THE BACK SIDE.
SO WHAT WE HAVE, WE, IF WE GO TO THAT, TO THAT PAGE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
AND THEY CAN MOVE THAT BLADE SIGN OR THE LITTLE HANGING SIGN UP CLOSER TO WHERE THEIR HANDRAILS ARE AT.
CAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT AS THEY'RE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE FACE OF THAT BUILDING.
SO MICHAEL, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO ARE YOU TRYING TO CLARIFY THE MOTION? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS AT ITEM, UM, IN PART ONE OF OUR BACKUP
ONLY ONE ON THE ONE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ON LUMINATION THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR, IT'S JUST THE OTHER TWO, IF I'M READING THAT.
SO, BUT IS FIVE, FIVE TO ME ARE THE ILLUMINATED LETTERS THAT STAND UP IN FRONT, ON, ON WHERE, ON THE, ON THE CANOPY.
I CAN SUPPORT THAT AT THAT EMPTY BOX THAT THEY HAVE UNDER VARSITY ATTEMPT TO BE THERE FOR THEM.
SO WE, I GUESS MY POINT IS HERE, WE NEED CLARITY ON WHAT WE ARE APPROVING, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU, THE WAY IT'S GOING NOW IS I'M GOING TO GET CALLS TOMORROW GOING.
SO WHAT WAS THE MOTION AND WHAT THAT APPROVED? SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, IF YOU LOOK AT S ONE, IT SAYS ILLUMINATED LETTERS, THOSE LETTERS ARE THE, IS THE CVS, THE HEART WITH THE CVS PHARMACY ACROSS THE TOP OF THAT CANOPY ON BOTTLE.
AND THEN, UH, IF YOU TAKE A LOCATION, NUMBER TWO, THAT'S THE LIGHTED CVS SIGN WITH THE HEARTS.
THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I'M NOT SUPPORTING THAT EITHER.
SO WHAT I WANT THE MOTION MAKER TO DO HERE AND MELISSA, I SEE YOUR HAND UP, UH, WHEN I WANT THE MOTION MAKER TO DO IS TO CLARIFY WHICH SIGNS WERE APPROVING AND WHAT VARIANCES AROUND THOSE SIGNS.
UM, SO, UH, MELISSA, I SEE YOUR HAND UP.
SO PROBABLY THE ONE PIECE THAT SHE GAVE US WHEN SHE WAS GIVING THE PRESENTATION WAS SHE HAD A PICTURE OF THE OLD VARSITY THEATER FROM THE THIRTIES.
AND THAT, THAT OLD PICTURE HAD THE PLAYBILL AREA THAT WAS ILLUMINATED.
IT ACTUALLY WAS A BIG LETTER BOX BACK IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE DAY KIND OF LIKE THE ELLA ROYAL SIGN, WHERE THEY SWITCH OUT THE LETTERS FOR THE SHOWS COMING.
SO THAT BAND AT SOME POINT WAS ILLUMINATED.
AND SO IT IS MORE OF A, THE ONE ON GUADALUPE.
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A DIFFERENT FEELING FOR, JUST BECAUSE OF THAT.ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MELISSA D DASH ONE FOUR? CAUSE I DROVE BY THERE TODAY AND I DROVE BY THERE ON, ON SATURDAY.
BECAUSE THAT WAS LIKE THE OLD, YOU KNOW, HOW, LIKE WHEN THE MOVIE THEATER WAS OPEN, THEY HAD AN ILLUMINATED BAND AND IT JUST NOW SHOWING HOURS.
AND SO I KIND OF HAVE A DIFFERENT FEELING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S ON GUADALUPE, JUST BECAUSE IT, IT MIMICS THAT, UM, THAT'S JUST ME AND MY LITTLE SONGS.
I, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU MAKE IT BIGGER, IF YOU MAKE THAT PICTURE BIGGER, D ONE FOUR, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ALSO HAVE THE CVS UP RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE BARS, THE WELLS FARGO.
IT'S MORE YOUR, YOUR YES, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR PRESENTATION, WHICH IS A ONE-PAGE PRESENTATION, THERE'S NO SIGNAGE ABOVE THE WELLS FARGO.
AND THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
UM, ASKING APPROVAL FOR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION, IT SHOWS WHAT SIGNS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
THEY DIDN'T, SHE DIDN'T REALLY DO A GOOD JOB OF DOING A SITE PLAN SHOWING THOSE.
BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT HER PRESENTATION, IT SHOWS THE HEART.
THE ONE ON THE FRONT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU AND MELISSA ARE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S ONE UNDER THE CANOPY, THERE'S ONE UNDER THE VARSITY SIGN.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S NOT SHOWN THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO ONE ON THE SIDE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S A TOOL CVS WITH THE HEART, AND THEN THERE'S THE SMALL UNDER, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY ACTUALLY ASKING FOR WHAT PAGES THAT AREN'T GOING TO BACK UP UNDER PRESENTATION? IT'S A ONE-PAGE PRESENTATION.
AND, AND THE, THE, UH, NOTICE THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN THE POSTING ON THE AGENDA, UH, SAYS, UH, ALPHA THE ILLUMINATION OF TWO WALL SIGNS AND TWO PROJECTING SIGNS.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONLY FOUR SIGNS IN THE ASS.
UM, AND SO I WANT TO US TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE SIGNS ARE AND, AND IF WE'RE ALLOWING THOSE, WHICH OF THOSE SIGNS WERE ALLOWED TO BE ELIMINATE.
UH, NO, UH, UH, SO, SO, UH, IF, IF THE BOARD MEMBERS ASK YOU TO CLARIFY, YOU CAN, OTHERWISE YOU NEED TO JUST SIT TIGHT.
SO FROM THE UPDATED PRESENTATION, THERE'S ONLY THREE SIGNS THAT ARE IN, IN QUESTION, WHICH WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE CANOPY ON FRONT, ON GUADALUPE.
IT IS FREE, FREE FACING THE SIGN THAT IS PERPENDICULAR ON GUADALUPE.
AND IT'S ASKING FOR THE ENTRY FEATURE ON 20, WHATEVER THAT IS.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONES ON PAGE FIVE, ONE SLASH WELL, I AM LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION DOCUMENT, BUT THE D ONE FIVE CORRESPONDS TO THE PRESENTATION DOCUMENT, THE INFORMATION.
WELL, DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED? YEAH.
I JUST WANTED TO BE REAL CLEAR WHAT THE MOTION WAS.
IF THE MOTION IS WE WANT TO DO THOSE THREE ON D ONE SLASH FIVE, THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR ME.
SO, UM, I I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE APPLICANT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE SIGNS OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR, BECAUSE I HAVE THE SAME, I'M LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION AND WITH THE, AND I BLEW UP THE PHOTO AND IT HAS WHAT MELISSA JUST DESCRIBED.
CAN YOU CLARIFY WHERE THE FOURTH ONE IS? I'D LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE NOW I'M LOOKING AT THREE.
SO THE APPLICANT WE ARE NOW ASKING YOU TO, UH, BASED ON THE PRESENTATION, WE SEE THREE SIGNS THAT SAY CVS ON THERE.
UH, ARE THERE THREE SIGNS OR, OR IS THERE A FOURTH SIGN THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING? UH, HELLO? UH, YES.
AT THE BEGINNING, WHENEVER WE APPLIED, WE APPLIED FOR FOUR FINE, NO WALL TIMES WE TOOK OFF ONE PROJECTION SITE AND WE SAVED THE EXTENSION SIGN, UM, UNDER VARSITY SIGN.
WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR THREE, THE TWO WALL AND THE ONE PROJECTION SIGN.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR ONLY THREE SIGNS, NOT 4 CENTS.
AND THE, AND THE THREE SIGNS, UM, ARE SHOWN IN THE PROPOSED ON YOUR PRESENTATION, UH, DRAWING.
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PAY THE ONE OVER FIVE.UH, WELL, NO, THERE'S ONLY ONE PRESENTATION GROWING IT'S D ONE, UH, ONE IT'S THE SAME.
I JUST, I WANT TO TIE IT TO SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE.
UH, MIKE, GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW YOU.
I MEAN, UM, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HEARTBURN ABOUT THESE THREE SIGNS, AND I GUESS THEY'VE DECIDED THAT THEY CAN REWORK THE SIGN, THE PROJECTING SIGN THAT THAT IS IN FRONT OF A GUADALUPE STREET, I THINK IS WHAT I HEARD HER SAY.
UM, AND IF THEY CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS.
I AM CONCERNED THOUGH, ABOUT HOW, HOW MUCH OF THIS TUBULAR LIGHTING AS LONG, THE ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO GRANT A VARIANCE FOR.
UH, OR IF WE GRANT THE VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE UNDERSIGNED, WHICH IS NUMBER TWO AND THE SIGN ON THE WALL, CAN WE RESTRICT AS PART OF THAT, THE AMOUNT OF THAT TUBULAR LIGHTING THAT BASICALLY THEY'RE PROPOSING TO RUN AT THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE ONLY THREE SIGNS.
THERE IS THE BLADE SIGN THAT IS UNDER THE VARSITY, THE EXISTING VARSITY SIGN.
IT'S A BLADE TIME AND IT'S THE CVS SIGN.
AND THERE ARE TWO CVS PHARMACY SIGNS WITH THE LOGO ON THE CANOPIES, A ONE ON GUADALUPE AND ONE ON 24TH STREET IS THAT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK FURTHER BACK, THAT ONE IS HANGING AND IT'S ON THE FARGO.
NO, WAIT, THERE'S THE ONE THAT FACES THE FRONT.
AND LIKE MELISSA SAYS THE ONE THAT'S UNDER THE VARSITY SIGN.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT SIGN.
AND THEN THERE'S THE TWO ON THE 24TH STREET SIDE, THE UNDER CANOPY AND THE, ON THE WALL.
SO IN REALITY, THERE'S FOUR SIGNS BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY FACING THE VARSITY SUN.
SO MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION WAS, CAN WE CONDITION THE APPROVAL OF THE SIGN ON THE WALL, ON THE SIDE WITH REDUCTION OF SOME OF THAT TUBULAR LIGHTING THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING? WELL, THE ASK IS FOR ILLUMINATION OR NOT ON THE FOUR SIGNS THAT THEY'RE ORIGINALLY ASKING FOR, WHICH NOW IS DOWN TO THREE, I BELIEVE FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT STATED, BUT I MAY BE WRONG.
UM, SO, UM, UH, JESSICA, DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY YOUR MOTION HERE? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, I MEAN, TUBULAR LINING, ISN'T PART OF THE SCIENCE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY ON THAT, RIGHT.
SO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE BRIGHT ANYWAYS.
AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THIS IS A MISTAKE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT HUB.
IT'S GOING TO BE FIXED EVENTUALLY, HOPEFULLY.
SO THE MOTION SPECIFICALLY WILL BE TO TIE THE SCIENCE IN TO D ONE FIVE, THOSE THREE SIGNS, THE CANDIDATE, THE TWO CANOPY SIDES, ONE ON EACH SIDE AND THAT ONE BLADE SIGN.
AND IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW ILLUMINATION FOR THOSE SIGNS.
IT'S ONLY THE ONE CANOPY SIGN ON THE SIDE THAT, AND THAT'S A WALL SIGN IS NUMBER TWO.
AND THEN THE FRONT ONE, I THINK HAS THE WHOLE WOMAN TO CROSS THE FRONT.
LIKE THE MORE KEY IT'S THAT NUN UP WALL ON THE UNDER THE CARDS ARE THE PICTURES.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A WALL SIGN, BROOKE ON 24TH STREET.
THERE'S A WALL AND A CANOPY ON 24 AND THEN YEAH, THERE'S THE BLADE UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY AND A WALL.
IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE SIX, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WOULD APPROVE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE HEART, THE CVS AND PHARMACY, ALL OF THAT ALONG THE WALL.
NUMBER TWO IS CVS PHARMACY ON A LITTLE SQUARE HANGING DOWN FROM THAT OVERHANG.
AND THEN THE NUMBER FIVE WOULD BE THE CVS PHARMACY KIND OF FACING GUADALUPE, BUT NOT THE BLADE SIGN.
CAUSE THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO REPLACE IT.
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EVERYTHING IN ONE FUND D ONE FIVE, RIGHT? THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH ON D ONE FIVE IT'S SCOTT ELIMINATING LETTERS, RIGHT.CAN WE ALL GO? CAN, CAN LET'S LET'S ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE AND LET'S GO TO
AND WHAT I'M SEEING IS THE CVS.
I SEE A CVS SIGN UNDER VARSITY.
I SEE A CVS ON TOP OF THE COUNTY CANOPY.
I SEE A SMALL CVS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOORS, UNDER THE CANOPY.
I SEE A CVS THAT IS ON 24TH STREET, THE BIG LETTERS IN A HEART.
AND THEN I ALSO SEE A SMALL CVS BACK TO THE LEFT OF THAT.
SO THERE'S MORE IF WE APPROVE ACCORDING TO
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS D ONE FIVE, NOT THE ONE-ON-ONE.
OKAY, MELISSA, I SEE YOUR HAND UP AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO MOTION MAKER, JESSICA.
SO IF YOU'D GO TO D ONE FIVE, BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO LAST WEEKS.
JUST A THERE'S PART WOMAN IN PART TWO FOR D ONE.
SO IF YOU OPEN D ONE PART, ONE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF BEING ONE PART ONE AFTER THE POSTPONEMENT IS OKAY, YOU JUST GO DOWN AND MELISSA, THREE, FOUR, I FEEL LIKE I'M GOING TO START DOING ONE.
SO THERE'S D ONE, FIVE 81, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN IN PART, ONE OF THE BACKUP, HER D ONE.
UH, LET ME ASK YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT D ONE 13.
THERE ARE SEVEN SIGNS PROPOSED ON THERE.
IF WE CAN TIE THOSE SIGNS TO THE ASK HERE AND SAY THE SIGNS THAT ARE SHOWN ON D ONE 13, AND THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONLY S ONE S TWO S3 AS FOUR AS FIVE AS SIX AND SEVEN, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE HELP BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MY BRAIN IS ABOUT READY TO EXPLODED.
THAT'S WHAT WE SEE ON NUMBER FOUR.
THAT'S WHAT MICHAEL STARTED OFF.
AND THEN IF YOU, AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER SIX, THAT DESCRIBES EXACTLY WHAT SIGNS ONE, TWO, AND FIVE THAT ARE LOCATED ON DOCUMENT FIVE ARE GOING TO BE DOING.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS CLARIFIED.
THAT THAT'S THE ONLY THREE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AT THIS TIME.
UH, AND IF THE MOTION, IF THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE SIZE AND LOCATION AND ILLUMINATION OF THE SIGNS OF ONE, TWO AND FIVE ON D ONE OVER FIVE, THAT'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.
JUST TELL THEM THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING ELSE FOR
UH, MICHAEL, I SEE YOUR HAND BACK UP.
I WAS CAUSE YOU DIDN'T HEAR WHAT I JUST SAID, BUT, UM, I WENT TO WHERE YOU WERE MR. CHAIR ON D ONE 13.
AND UH, AND I WENT DOWN THE LIST THERE OF THE PROPOSED SIGNS AND THAT'S WHERE I CAME UP WITH THE
YES, BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING ON D 13 IN THAT PACKET, THEY WERE ASKING FOR A LITTLE PAINTED HEART ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, WHICH I DIDN'T FEEL WAS ANY HARM.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I CAME UP WITH IT.
WHEN I DROVE OUT THERE, I WENT AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO, I MEAN, IF ANYBODY ELSE IN BROOK HAS, OR HAS SOMETHING SHE WOULD LIKE TO SAY, NO, THAT WAS LAST MONTH ASKED THAT UPDATED THEIR ASK TO D ONE FIVE, WHICH IS JUST THREE SIGNS, WHICH THEY'RE NOT ASKING ANYTHING ON SIZE OR ANYTHING, JUST THE ILLUMINATION AND THEN GIVING THAT, UM, ALL FOR THE, I DON'T KNOW
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HOW MANY MONTHS NOW, IF SOMEBODY IS ONLY ASKING FOR ELIMINATION ON LESS THAN FOUR SIGNS OR FOUR SIGNS OR LESS, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH GIVEN THAT IF THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR SIZE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING I TOURED.UM, SO I'M OKAY WITH TYING IT TO BE ONE FIVE, UM, AND GIVING THEM THREE SIGNS ILLUMINATED, OH, DUMMY.
THESE ARE JUST THREE ILLUMINATED SIGNS.
JESSICA, IS THAT YOUR MOTION? THAT IS MY MOTION.
THOSE THREE SIGNS ELIMINATION ON MY CHAIRMAN.
CAN YOU CALL THE QUESTION? YOU'RE MUTED.
WE'LL HAVE TO DO FINDINGS FIRST.
SO THE MOTION IS TO, UM, ALLOW ILLUMINATION OF THE THREE SIGNS THAT ARE SHOWN ON D ONE, UH, SHEET FIVE, UH, IN, ON THE BACKUP, UH, THAT ARE, ARE DESIGNATED AS S ONE S TWO AND S IS THAT CORRECT? UH, JESSICA, CORRECT.
AND THEN JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, RED, RED LED BOARD IN THE BEAN.
THAT IS ALSO NO IN THAT PROPOSED SIDEBAR.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S A, IF THAT'S A VIOLATION OF CODE IN SOME WAYS, THEN THAT, THEN THEY NEED TO JUST DEAL WITH THAT.
BUT ALL WE ARE DOING IS, UM, UH, DEALING WITH THE, UH, ILLUMINATION ASKED ON THE THREE SIGNS THAT WE JUST IDENTIFIED ON, ON, UH, D ONE, UH, SHEET FIVE.
I KNOW THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED, BUT JUST THE POINT OF ORDER IS S SEVEN INCLUDED IN THIS MOTION.
IS THAT EVEN A OF THE SIGN? NO.
JUST THOSE THREE THAT ARE ON A D ONE.
NO, MY QUESTION WAS, AND I APOLOGIZE.
WE'VE JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF TOPICS I'D WANT TO MUDDY THE WATERS UNTIL NOW IS A PAINTING REQUIRE AS A VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR THE PAINTED HEART ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
IF IT'S ILLUMINATED, IF IT IS JUST A HEART, NO ART IS NOT A SIGN UP.
SO IF IT'S A LOGO, IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED.
SO IT WOULD BE AT STAFF'S DISCRETION IN, IN, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DOING THE ORDINANCE PART OF THAT.
JESSICA, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, TO KEEP THE, UH, MOTION AS YOU GOT IT WITH TIMES ONE, TWO AND FIVE, BUT TO LEAVE THE STAFF'S DISCRETION, WHETHER SEVEN IS, UH, IS A UP TO SNUFF? ABSOLUTELY.
AND IT SAYS PAINTED HEROIC CARB THERE.
IT DOESN'T SAY, UM, ANYTHING, UH, AT LEAST IN THE LIST.
SO I, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE FINDINGS.
BRIAN'S FINDINGS SUGGEST THIS VERY, BECAUSE STRICT ENFORCEMENT OF THE ARTICLE FOR HABITS TO BE REASONABLE.
WELL, GOD, I AM IN THE WRONG SPOT.
THIS IS THE OLD ONE WHERE, OKAY.
DIGGING ONE 20 IS THE MOST CURRENT RIGHT THAT'S FOR TONIGHT.
THIS BUSINESS IS LOCATED IN A HIGHER PART OF DOWNTOWN DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIAN SPEED TO ABLE TO EASILY FIND THIS BUSINESS AT NIGHT TIME, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS A PHARMACY AND ELIMINATED SIGN WILL NOT ONLY BENEFIT THIS BUSINESS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL FUTURE, BUT IT WILL ALSO BENEFIT POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS WHILE TRYING TO FIND THIS PHARMACY, UH, GRANTING A VARIANCE WOULD NOT PROVIDE THE APPLICANT WITH A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE, NOT ENJOYED BY OTHERS, SIMILARLY SITUATED OR POTENTIALLY SIMILARLY SITUATED BECAUSE WITHOUT AN ELIMINATES ILLUMINATED SIGN, A FREESTANDING SIGN OR A ROOF SIGN, CUSTOMERS WILL HAVE E EXTREMELY HARD TIME TRYING TO LOCATE THIS PHARMACY.
THIS IS VERY HIGH TRAFFIC AREA, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT TIME.
AND SEEING AHEAD, THE ILLUMINATED SCIENCE WILL GIVE THE CUSTOMERS TIME AHEAD TO MAKE THE NECESSARY ARRANGEMENTS TO GET TO THE PHARMACY AND THE SAFEST WAY AS POSSIBLE WHILE WALKING OR DRIVING.
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WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, OKAY.SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE, UM, THREE SIGNS AND, AND, UH, UH, AND HAVE NO ISSUE WITH STAFF ALLOWING THE SIGN ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ALTHOUGH THERE ARE, AGAIN, THERE ARE DRAWINGS IN THIS PRESENTATION AND I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT, THAT ARE AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER.
UM, SO, UM, CLARITY IS EVERYTHING LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE.
AND, UH, AND I'M GLAD THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO DO THIS IN A WAY THAT HONORED THE HISTORY AND THE HERITAGE OF THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING.
SO YOU GOT YOUR VARIANCE ON THE SIGNS AS WE DESCRIBED, UM, AND, UH, AS ARE, UM, REFERENCED IN THE, UM, INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE US IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO MR. CHAIR, I'M GOING TO STEP AWAY FOR THIS NEXT CAMPAIGN.
MELISSA'S ABSTAINING ON THIS ONE.
SO, UM, SO WE ARE, UH, UH, DOWN TO, UM, NINE, I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE.
SO THAT WILL BE A VOTE OF, UM, HELP ME DO MY MATH HERE.
I'M TRYING TO PULL UP THE CALCULATOR MAJORITY.
SO THERE'LL BE FIVE, FIVE OUT OF THE NINE.
UM, NO, ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE FIVE OUT OF 10, SIX OUT OF 10, UM, BECAUSE, UH, ABSTAINING, UH, DOES NOT REMOVE HER AS A VOTE.
IT JUST SAYS THAT SHE IS NOT VOTING.
SO WE STILL HAVE A VOTING, UM, GROUP OF 10.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS, UM, UH, ITEM D
[D-2 C16-2021-0003 Michael Gaudini for Timothy Finley 2552 Guadalupe Street]
TO, UH, C 16 DASH 2021 DASH ZERO ZERO ZERO THREE, MICHAEL GARDENY FOR TOM, UH, TIMOTHY FINDLEY AT, UH, 25 52, UH, GUADALUPE STREET.UH, AND THIS IS A, UH, VARIOUS FROM THE, UM, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING, UM, IN, UH, SIGNS.
UH, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF ASKS ON THAT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, RICHARD'S SETTLE, UH, AS THE, UH, PRIMARY SPEAKER, MR. SUTTLE WELCOME.
WELL, YOU, UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU CAN HEAR ME.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE IT EASIER AFTER YOUR, UH, CAUSE I SEE THE PRESENTATION DIFFICULTIES AND, AND RATHER THAN PUT A PRESENTATION UP, I'M JUST GOING TO REFER TO PAGES AND TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF.
MY NAME'S RICHARD SADDLE, I'M ACTUALLY HERE ON BEHALF OF THE MOXY HOTEL.
THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT ONE THAN YOU NORMALLY SEE BECAUSE THE MOXY HOTEL ACTUALLY GOT THE PERMITS TO PUT ALL THE SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR UP TONIGHT.
AND WHAT YOU SEE KINDA IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IT.
IT GAVE US A BIG ADVANTAGE BECAUSE IN DEALING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO SEE IT AND COME TO RESOLUTION THAT THEY SUPPORT IT.
THE LAST TWO TIMES WE CAME UP, WE, WE POSTPONED TO GIVE THE UNIVERSITY AREA PARTNERS, UH, TIME TO REVIEW THE ASS.
AND THEY ULTIMATELY GAVE YOU A LETTER THAT I'LL REFER TO AS A D TWO, ONE LIGHT BACKUP, WHICH IS A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF ALL THE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
SO A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR ILLUMINATION IS ONE VARIANCE HAVING ILLUMINATED SIGNS ABOVE THE SECOND FLOOR IS THE SECOND VARIANCE AND BEING ABLE TO DO INSTEAD OF ONE BLADE SIGN ON THE GUADALUPE SIDE, TWO BLADE SIGNS, UM, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SIGNAGE ALONG WATERLOO.
UM, IF YOU WANTED TO SEE KINDA WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, IF YOU GO TO YOUR PACKET, UH, STARTING THE TWO 17, UM, AND FOLLOWING, YOU'LL SEE KIND OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.
THE, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, LITERALLY THE, THE, THE PERMITS WERE GRANTED TO BUILD THESE BECAUSE, UM, I THINK SOMEBODY AT THE, AT THE CITY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE
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BLADE SIGN ON GUADALUPE.WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ILLUMINATED SIGNS ABOVE OR ANYWHERE, AND WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM ABOVE THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCES TO LEAVE THE SIGNS THAT ARE THERE NOW CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, UH, THEME ON GUADALUPE.
IF YOU GO AND LOOK UP AND DOWN GUADALUPE, EACH, EACH BUSINESS HAS ITS OWN BLADE SIGN.
AND WHAT WE HAVE ON, UH, GUADALUPE IS WE'VE GOT THE HOTEL ENTRANCE AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A WALK-UP, UH, FOOD VENDOR THAT EACH OF THEM WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN OWN SIGNS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE MOXY SIGNS AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND AT THE TOP.
AND, UM, THOSE ARE THE VARIANCES WE'RE ASKING FOR.
AND IF YOU WOULD, UH, THE FINDINGS ARE IN YOUR PACKET ON, UH, STARTING ON D 11, 12, THE 11 AND 12.
AND IF, IF YOU FOUND, UH, FAVORABLY TO THE VARIANCES, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ADOPT THE FINDINGS IN, UH, D TWO 11 AND 12 IN SUPPORT.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE NOW ABOUT ANY OF THE EXHIBITS OR, OR THEY ASK.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCISENESS AND CLARITY.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND AGAIN, MR. SUTTLE IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO IF WE CAN PULL THE PRESENTATION DOWN FOR RIGHT NOW, THANK YOU.
YOU WERE MUTED FOR THE LAST PART OF WHAT YOU SAID WAS, YEAH.
SO WE GOT, UH, DARRYL AND THEN WE'LL, UM, WE DO MICHAEL, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE, UM, BLADE SIGN.
LET ME SEE WHERE I'M LOOKING AT HERE.
I AM LOOKING AT, UM, D TWO SLASH 11 AND COMPARING THAT BLADE SIGN THERE THAT SAYS I'M THE TACO TO THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEHIND IT.
I I'M, I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN WHY THAT BLADE SIGN IS SO MUCH HIGHER THAN, THAN THE OTHER ONE AND WHY THEY WEREN'T SORT OF MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE LEVEL FROM THE STREET AT WHICH THOSE BLADE SIGNS WERE WERE.
UH, BUT, UH, MY D TWO 11 IS THE FINDINGS.
UM, LET ME SEE, IT'S IN THE PRESENTATION DETAILS PRESENTATION.
I'M LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION COPY.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE ZOMBIE TACO BLADE SIGN, WHICH IS ABOUT ROOF LEVEL, AND THEN THE MOXY BLADE SIGN, WHICH LOOKS APPEARS TO BE FURTHER NORTH TOWARD THE CORNER APPEARS TO BE LIKE ON THE SECOND STORY.
I'M HAVING TROUBLE FINDING YEAH.
IT'S, IT'S SHOWN ON, UM, IN OUR PACKET ON, UH, 19, 19, 20, 19 AND 20.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY PUT THEM AT DIFFERENT LEVELS.
UM, DOES THAT MEAN BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS WEIRD TO HAVE A BLADE SIGN THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT FAR OFF THE GROUND, NOT MY GUESS IS THAT THE, UH, HOTELS SIGNS WERE DONE SEPARATELY FROM THE TACO SIGN.
THAT'S, I'LL BE RIGHT IN THE, AND THE TACO SIGN IS CLOSER TO THE WALK-UP ORDER AND TO THE INFERENCE, I DON'T RECALL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE ORIGINAL HEARING, BUT THERE'S THE LAW, UH, NEXT TO THE HOLE IN THE WALL THAT PROTECTS ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE HONORING LEVEL.
IF YOU LOOK AT, IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION ON THE SOUTHERN FACADE, UH, D TWO 17, WAS IT, WAS IT TO GET ABOVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D BE MAKING IT UP.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHY THEY DID THEM AT DIFFERENT LEVELS.
UH, WE HAD MICHAEL NEXT TO, YEAH.
MY QUESTION WAS YOU STATED THAT THEY HAD BEEN PERMITTED FOR THESE SIGNS, UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DID THE BILL, WHEN WAS THE PERMIT FULL? I CAN'T FIND IT IN MY PACKET.
RICHARD, YOU SAID THAT PERMIT WAS APPROVED AND YEAH, I'LL TELL YOU, I DON'T, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE IT IN MY FILE.
WHEN THE DATE WAS ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE THE DATE, MICHAEL, BUT
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THE WAY THIS CAME TO ME IS THAT WE REALIZED WE HAD A VARIANCE THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THE ILLUMINATION THAT NOBODY THOUGHT WE NEEDED.AND I SAID, WELL, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? AND THEY SAID, WELL, ALL SYNERGY SIGNED OFF.
EVERYBODY SIGNED OFF ON THE PERMIT.
IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER THAT, THAT WE REALIZED THAT WE ACTUALLY NEEDED A VARIANCE FOR THE SECOND BLADE SIGN AND THE SIGNAGE ABOVE THE SECOND LEVEL.
THIS WAS ALL AFTER IT WAS ALREADY BUILT AND INSPECTED INSTALLED.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE DATE FOR YOU.
AND LET ME, LET ME JUST TELL YOU, THIS IS ONE OF THESE ONES.
I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SCREAM.
YOU GOT TO HAVE IT DONE TONIGHT.
IF THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ARE CRITICAL TO YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, WE CAN PUNT THIS ANOTHER MONTH.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW.
THE, UM, TH THE REASON I CAN SEE, THEY PROBABLY PUT THAT BLADE SIGN.
THE ONE THAT DARYL WAS ASKING ABOUT IS BECAUSE OF THE LAW, THE STREET, THE TREES, SCAPING THERE, AND DRIVING DOWN, UH, COME AND DRIVING DOWN WATERLOO, RIGHT? WHEN YOU GET PAST THE HOLE IN THE HALL, WHILE YOU WOULDN'T EVEN SEE THAT HOTEL, BECAUSE THE ONE ON THE BUILDING WOULD BE OBSCURED BY THE TREES.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, AS IN ZOMBIE TACO, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME MUCH, ACTUALLY, THAT THE HOLE IN THE WALL SIGN PUTS OUT PRETTY GOOD LIGHT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, ONCE IT COMES DAGGERING OUT OF THE HOLE IN THE WALL, AND YOU SAW ZOMBIE TACO TO GET A TACO TO, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR STOMACH STRAIGHT.
I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I REALLY DON'T, UH, THAT BUILDING'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE AWHILE.
AND THE APARTMENT WAS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WAS REMODELED AND REDONE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW YEARS BACK.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO SEE IF YOU HAD A GENERAL IDEA WHEN IT WAS, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN EXISTING LIKE THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I'LL, I'LL LET, ROB TAKE THE FLOOR.
UH, BROOK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PERMITTED SIGNS AS FAR AS ELIMINATION.
UM, KIND OF HOW WE'VE BEEN SETTING OUR EXAMPLE BY IS FOR ELIMINATED SIGNS.
AND I'D BE WILLING TO SUPPORT FOR ELIMINATED SIGNS THAT THEY CAN CHOOSE WHICH ONES ALONG WITH THEIR PARKING ENTRANCE SIGN.
BUT I THINK 12 ILLUMINATED SIGNS.
THAT'S NOT THAT LARGE OF A BUILDING IS JUST A LITTLE EXCESSIVE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL SIGN THE PERMITTED.
THEY'RE ABLE TO KEEP THEM ALL.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS ELIMINATION, I'M OKAY WITH THE ONE INTO THE PARKING GARAGE, PLUS FOUR OF THEIR CHORES.
I'LL SECOND THAT, THAT IS NOW A MOTION.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOT LEAVE IT.
SO OPEN-ENDED UM, BECAUSE, UH, UH, SO, SO, UM, THE, UH, MOTION IS BY BROOKE AND THE SECOND WAS MICHAEL, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO, UM, SO CAN WE, UH, GET CLARITY ON THE MOTION, UM, AND AGAIN, AND MAYBE WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DESCRIBE CLEARLY, OKAY.
WHAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO IS POSTPONE IT SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND LET US KNOW WHICH FOUR SIGNS THEY WOULD BE HAPPY ELIMINATING.
ALONG WITH THE PARKING SIGN, I CAN MAKE A SECOND MOTION OR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO POSTPONE, SO THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT, AND FOR CLEAR, FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK AND LET US KNOW WHICH SIGNS BASED ON DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE BOA TONIGHT, WHICH SIGNS AND PREFERENCES YOU HAVE ILLUMINATED.
AND POSSIBLY, IF THERE'S MORE THAN FOUR OF YOU WANT TO TRY AND CONVINCE THE BOY THAT YOU NEED MORE THAN FOUR, AND I'M HAPPY HAVING THE PARKING ENTRANCE AS A SEPARATE ONE.
BUT THE PARTY HAS TO BE ONE OF THOSE FIVE.
SO WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UM, TO, UM, POSTPONE UNTIL, UM, OUR APRIL 12TH MEETING.
UM, SO THAT, UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT CAN, UH, GIVE US SOME CLARITY ON WHICH OF THE, UH, SIGNS THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO, OR THAT THEY WOULD LIKE IN PRIORITY TO HAVE ELIMINATED JESSICA.
I SEE YOUR HAND UP JUST DISCUSSION.
SO I GOT TO ASK, WE POSTED ON THIS AGAIN, AND THEN LET'S SEE TO AMERICA, ALL COUNCIL ACTUALLY DECIDES TO AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND REMOVE THAT ILLUMINATION REQUIREMENT, UH, OUR LIMITATION, THEN THEY GET ALL 12, RIGHT? NO, CAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIMITED ON HOW MANY ILLUMINATED SIGNS THAT GOING TO HAVE.
AND I THINK, I ALSO THINK THE, WHAT COUNSEL IS DISCUSSING IS FOR THOSE LINES OUTSIDE OF THE UNIT, AND THIS IS RIGHT DEAD HEART
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CENTER OF UNIVERSITY NEIGHBORHOOD AREA.SO FOR THE UNIVERSITY NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAY WOULD STILL BE, YEAH.
AND JUST FOR CLARITY, THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UM, TO ALLOW THREE SIGNS ABOVE THE SECOND FLOOR, W WHICH, UH, AGAIN, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, UH, ILLUMINATION, ONE PROJECTING SIGN, UH, OR TWO PROJECTING SIGNS ON BUILDING DESIGNS.
UH, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED ONE AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THE ILLUMINATION, RIGHT? SO, SO THERE'S TWO ASKS BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THEM.
I THINK THAT RICHARD, IF YOU'RE STILL AVAILABLE, I AM.
DID YOU JUST CATCH WHAT THE CHAIR SAID? BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU POST, WHEN YOU COME BACK IN FRONT OF US CLARIFYING THOSE FOUR SIGNS, YOU'RE STILL GONNA NEED TO REQUEST TO HAVE THE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, NOT IN A FOLDER.
I THOUGHT THE ILLUMINATION, I THOUGHT ILLUMINATION WAS THE ONE THAT WE ALL DECIDED THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
I, I WAS KIND OF, UM, I'LL TAKE YOU BACK OBVIOUSLY, BUT I, I THOUGHT ILLUMINATION WAS ALREADY JUST KIND OF THIS.
OH, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY CORRECT, BUT, BUT THE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ISSUE FOR ME IS IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE THREE OF THE BDG DRAWINGS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A MOXY SIGN KINDA ON, ON THE CORNER THERE, YOU'VE GOT ONE ON THE FACE AT THE BOTTOM AND THEN ONE ON LIKE THE FIFTH FLOOR.
AND THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU GET TO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE ILLUMINATED, RIGHT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO, TO, UH, POSTPONE THIS, YOU KNOW, GET CLARITY ON THAT.
SO WE WANT TO GET SOME CLARITY AS WE'VE PUT OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, UH, ALL OF THESE ASKS HERE AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T, UH, THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO THE APPLICANT, THEIR EXISTING SIGNS.
THEY'RE GOING TO STAY THERE UNTIL NEXT TIME.
SO, UH, THE POSTPONEMENT IS, IS REALLY, YEAH.
MICHAEL, I SEE YOUR HAND BACK.
THE CLARITY AND VERB, YOU'VE MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND I'M SUPPORTING THE POSTPONEMENT, BUT THIS IS FOR RICH'S CLARIFICATION.
HE'S STILL GONNA ASK HIM BECAUSE HE'S GOT MORE SIGNS THAN WHAT IT ALLOWS.
SO HE HAS TO ASK FOR THOSE OTHER SIGNS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING, BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY WAS PICK THE FOUR SIGNS THAT YOU WANT TO BE ILLUMINATED, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE REFLECTS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THOSE OTHER EXISTING SIGNS TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE FOLD AND TAKEN CARE OF.
AND IT WOULD HELP ME ALSO, IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO GET THE DATE, THE PERMIT WAS GRANTED FOR THAT.
CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S BEEN DONE QUITE A WHILE BACK.
ROM, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY FROM THE MODE TWO THINGS, ONE IS TO CLARIFY FROM THE MOTION MAKER, THAT'S FOUR SIGNS PLUS THE PARKING SIGN.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING WAS JUST PASS ALONG THE WHITE LODGING FOLKS.
RICHARD, I REMEMBER WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THIS FOR TELL, THEY PROMISED LOCALLY, LOCALLY INSPIRED DESIGN.
I CAN THINK OF NO BETTER EXAMPLE OF LOCAL INSPIRED DESIGN THAN CONFUSION OVER THE LAND COMING AND HAVING TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TWICE FOR THINGS YOU'VE ALREADY BUILT A PERMIT.
AND RICHARD, JUST ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY TOO ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, UM, A CORRECTION HOLD UP IS IT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL WILL NOT ACT ON THIS, UM, CORRECTION OF THE ORDINANCE UNTIL AFTER THEY GET A NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, WHICH I THINK PUTS EVERY SIGN COMPANY AND EVERY, UH, PERSON WHO'S LOOKING TO DO THIS AT A DISADVANTAGE AND BURDENS US UNNECESSARILY.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY POLL WITH CITY COUNCIL, SEE IF YOU CAN GET IT ON THEIR AGENDA.
AND IF WE CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE CORRECTING THIS, THEN YOU MAY GET MORE ILLUMINATION THAN EVEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO, UH, I'M GONNA, UH, GO AHEAD AND CALL THE QUESTION ON, WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION BY VERONICA SECOND BY RAHM ON POSTPONING UNTIL, UM, APRIL 12TH MEETING.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU CAN GET ANY CLARITY OR MAYBE JERRY
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HERE.MOVING ON TO, OR, SORRY, I GOT TO JUGGLE HERE FOLKS.
[E-1 C15-2021-0026 Matt Williams for Luis Zaragoza 4005 Sidehill Path (Part 2 of 2)]
UH, UH, UH, VARIANCES, NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS.UH, THIS IS, UH,
IS THERE A, GOZA AT, UH, UH, 40 OH FIVE SIDE HILL PATH.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT THE NEIGHBOR WAS IN OPPOSITION TO, UH, ONLY BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T EXACTLY SURE WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THIS.
SO MR. CHAIR, UH, MY APOLOGIES, UH, THIS IS GARY'S HOUSE, THE NEIGHBOR, AND I, UM, HAVE, UH, UH, APPRECIATED LISTENING TO THE PROCEEDINGS EVER SINCE I SPOKE AND THANKS TO, UH, GUIDANCE.
I DID, UH, HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE, UM, UH, WEBSITE FOR THE AGENDA.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED FOR THE SIDE FOR, UH, PARDON ME FOR THE STONY WOODS SIDE TO MAKE THAT, UH, 15 FEET AND TO KEEP THE TWENTY-FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON THE SIDE HE'LL PASS SIDE.
AND IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT, AS I READ IT, UH, I DO NOT OPPOSE THIS AND I HAVE WAITED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT I CONVEYED THAT TO THE BOARD.
BECAUSE I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR HELPFULNESS AND A SENSITIVITY TO THE SITUATION.
AND I DID NOT WANT THE BOARD TO SPEND ANY UNNECESSARY TIME ON THIS BASED ON, UH, MY CONCERNS, BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE THEM IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY.
I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, CLARIFYING THAT FOR US.
UM, MICHAEL, I SEE YOUR HAND UP.
AND I WENT THROUGH THE PACKET AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY ELSE DID AS WELL.
AND NOW THEY REALLY HAVE NO OPPOSITION UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION.
A MOTION BY MICHAEL TO APPROVE SECOND BY JESSICA IS THAT JESTER.
AND I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THE REASON I'M WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION IS BECAUSE THE APPLICANT ATTEMPTED TO TAKE THE PROPER STEPS.
AND HE ALSO BROUGHT THE ISSUE TO THE CD'S ATTENTION.
SEVERAL TIMES, SOMEHOW THE BALL GOT DROPPED.
I'M NOT GOING TO LAY BLAME AT ANYBODY'S FEET.
HOWEVER, IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION, THE APPLICANT, I FEEL REALLY DID, UH, TAKE GOOD FAITH EFFORT IN TRYING TO, UH, RESOLVE IT BEFORE IT CAME TO US.
UH, DEAR RONALD, I SEE YOUR HAND UP.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE, UM, THE SURVEY THAT IS NUMBER SEVEN 81 SLASH SEVEN, IT SHOWS IS THAT THE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IT SHOWS THE SETBACK IN THE, IN THE, I GUESS, THE FRONT, WHICH WAS THE SIDE HILL FROM NINE INSTEAD OF 25 FEET.
UH, THAT IS THE EXISTING HOUSE.
THAT WAS THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT.
WELL, AS YOU LOOK AT, AT THE NEXT SHEET ON EIGHT, THAT SHOWS THEN THE NEW HOUSE.
SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THIS, TO ALLOW A HOUSE FOOTPRINT THAT'S SHOWN ON NUMB ON NUMBER EIGHT, THOSE THREE INCHES THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, DOING THE, UM, UM, BASICALLY BASICALLY FLIPPING THE SIDE YARD, THE SIDE STREET YARD AND THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM, SO THAT THE SITE, THE SETBACK FROM SIDE HILL PATH THEN WILL BE WITHIN THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
CAN I JUST REAL QUICK ONE AGAIN, TO SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW.
I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WHENEVER, AND LIKE MICHAEL SAID, NOT PLACING BLAME BECAUSE I, 100% COULD NOT WIN, DO THIS POSITION ON THE BOARD WITHOUT THE HELP OF CITY STAFF AND THE DSD.
BUT WHENEVER THERE'S A MISTAKE THAT SOMEHOW SLIPS THROUGH AND APPLICANT IS PUT IN, YOU KNOW, THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND MADE A GOOD EFFORT TO TRY TO RESOLVE IT THAT, UH, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT MAYBE GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD OTHER APPLICANTS.
AND, AND, AND IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, ON THESE 400 LOTS, UH, WHEN, WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SOMETIMES DIFFICULT AND, AND,
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AND AGAIN, AS CITY STAFF HAS A DIRECTIVE AS TO HOW TO DETERMINE WHAT IS THE FRONT AND WHAT IS THE SIDE STREET YARD, AND THEY DON'T HAVE, UM, REALLY ANY JURISDICTION HERE, BUT GIVEN THE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN HOW THE, HIS HISTORY OF THIS SITE, HOW THE, UH, PREVIOUS HOUSE WAS ORIENTED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY HEARTBURN OVER THIS.
SO CAN WE JUST HAVE A CONDITION OF THE VARIANCE THAT THE 25 FEET THEN MIGRANTS TO THE SIDE HILL PASS SIDE? YES.
THAT THE TWENTY-FIVE FOOT SETBACK WILL BE ON SIDE HILL PATH AND A 15 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK WOULD BE ON STONEY WOULD DRIVE.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
THERE'S ZONING REGULATIONS APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY, DO NOT ALLOW FOR REASONABLE USE BECAUSE THE SETBACKS, SO THIS LAW TREAT THE NATURAL FRONT LINE OF THE LOT ALONGSIDE HILL PATH IS A SIDE OF THE LOT.
THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY OCCUPIED THE PROPERTY BUILT IN 1973 WAS LAID OUT FACING THE NATURAL FRONT AND SUBSTANTIALLY ENCROACHED INTO THE FRONT SETBACK ALONG ITS SIDE, AND STOOD WITHOUT APPARENT DISPUTE OR PROBLEM FOR NEARLY 50 YEARS.
THE HARDSHIP FOR WHICH THE VARIANCES REQUESTED IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY END AT THE NATURAL AND LOGICAL FRONT OF THE LOT PLACES IN SOCIETY.
WHILE THE OFFICIAL IN FRONT OF THE LOT AS DEFINED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLOT FACES STONY WOULD HAVE THE SETBACK, FINDING A NEIGHBOR AND PLOT OUR TURN TOUCHES THAT THE NATURAL FRONT IS TECHNICALLY THE SIDE OF THE LAW.
HOWEVER, THE PRIOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE LOCK FACE SIDE HILL PATH AND WAS LAID OUT AS THOUGH THE FRONT SET BACKGROUND AND ALONGSIDE HE'LL PASS.
THE HARDSHIP IS NOT GENERAL TO THE AREA IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED BECAUSE ALL OTHER INTERIOR, LOTS AND MOST CORNER LOTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE, THEY'RE NATURAL FRONTS WHILE ONLY SOME OF THE CORNER, LOTS EXHIBIT THE TERM SETBACKS, ALL HOMES ON CORNER, LOTS WITH TURN SETBACKS, FACE THE NATURAL FRONT OFFICIAL SIDE OF THE LOT, REQUIRING THIS LOT TO ADDITIONALLY, A NUMBER OF THE LARGE MATURE TREES ARE LOCATED ON THE LOT, WHICH PREVENT MOVING THE STRUCTURE TO ALIGN WITH THE OFFICIAL STEP NEXT.
UM, AND, AND BY THE WAY, WE NEVER OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE'RE, BUT JUST IN CASE WE ARE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.
YOU GOT YOUR VARIANT AND THANK YOU FOR A GREAT PRESENTATION.
[F-1 C15-2020-0067 Linda Sullivan for Michael and Jeanette Abbink 1112 Harvard Street]
ALONG, UH, WE'RE GOING TO OUR VARIANCES OF PREVIOUS POSTPONEMENTS.UM, THIS IS ITEM F1, UH, C 15 DAYS 2020 DAYS, ZERO ZERO SIX SEVEN, LINDA SULLIVAN FROM MICHAEL AND, UH, UH, JEANETTE, UH, BINK, UH, AT, UH, ONE, ONE, ONE, TWO, UH, HARVARD STREET.
UH, AND THIS IS A, UH, VARIOUS FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING, UH, NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.
SO WE HAVE, UH, FOUR, I HAVE, UH, COURTNEY MAGONIA IS THE PRIMARY SPEAKER, AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS AND ARCHITECTS AND OTHERS AVAILABLE TO, UH, IF, UH, FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M THE ATTORNEY ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, MICHAEL AND JEANETTE.
UM, AS YOU SAID, THEY'RE SEEKING A VARIANCE FROM THE OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE HEARD THE PRESENTATION IN THE PAST, BUT JUST WANTED TO REFRESH YOU GUYS, UH, DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE PROPERTY ONSITE.
PARKING CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED UNDER THE CITY OF BOSTON CUT AND FILL REQUIREMENTS VIA BANKS INTEND TO USE THE HARVARD STREET LOT AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THEIR MAIN HOUSE LOT LOCATED ON 11TH STREET.
UM, LAST SUMMER WE INITIALLY SOUGHT TO DO A UDA TO COMBINE THE LOT.
HOWEVER, THERE'S AN ALLEYWAY BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS, UM, AND, UH, VIA THE CITY OF THE CITY LAW DEPARTMENT, WE CAN'T COMBINE THEM WITH A UDA.
AND SO AT THE LAST HEARING, YOU GUYS SUGGESTED WE DO, UM, WE IMPOSED SELF.
SO IT ESSENTIALLY BE A PERPETUAL GRANT TO ALLOW ACCESS AND USE
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OF PARKING AVAILABLE TO THE LODGE.UM, AND BASED ON THIS REQUEST, WE'VE PREPARED AND SUBMITTED A SHARED DRIVEWAY AND PARKING EASEMENT AGREEMENT TO THE CITY.
AND THIS, THIS AGREEMENT IS CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
UM, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE OR MAY NOT, IT TAKES A WHILE TO KIND OF GET REVIEWS, GET EASEMENTS AND ANY TYPE OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS REVIEWED.
AND GIVEN THE NATURE OF KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, THEY HAVE STARTED REVIEWING THE EASEMENT DOCUMENTS.
AND AT THIS TIME, UM, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD GRANT A VARIANCE CONTINGENT UPON THE APPROVAL OF THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, WE PRESENTED IT TO CITY STAFF.
WE ANTICIPATE GETTING COMMENTS BACK FROM THEM AND WE WILL BE AMENABLE TO ANY OF THEIR AMENDMENTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS? NO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UH LET'S UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC, HEARING WRONG.
CAN WE DO A, JUST TO GET IT ON THE RECORD? CAN WE, CAN WE DO THE VARIANTS CONTINGENT ON THE COMPLETION OF THE, OF THE PARKING EASEMENT? UM, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE RESEARCHING THE ISSUE, I WILL DIG INTO IT AND TRY TO GET BACK TO YOU BEFORE YOU GUYS DISPOSE OF THIS ITEM.
AND A REMINDER, YOU CAN ALWAYS TABLE IT.
YOU CAN EITHER TABLE IT OR, OR PUT IT UP, YOU KNOW, POSTPONE IT.
WE CAN PUT, WE CAN TABLE IT, BUT ACTUALLY I WOULDN'T MIND.
I MEAN, IT, I MEAN, HERE HERE'S, HERE'S THE THING.
AND I MEAN, I, I THOUGHT THE PRESENTATION THE LAST TIME WAS FAIRLY COMPELLING.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE A REAL HARDSHIP, THE, THE, THE ANSWER, BECAUSE SHE ALSO DOES.
SO, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, UM, THERE'S ALREADY AN EASEMENT THERE.
UM, LET'S LEAVE IT TO LEGAL AND WE CAN, IF WE CAN JUST GET A COPY, UM, FROM THE ATTORNEY OF THE DRAFT SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE IT WITH OUR RECORDS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE PACKET AND THE PACKET.
UM, THE, THE, THE, MY OTHER, UH, MY RECOLLECTION TOO, WAS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT NO WORRIES THAT THE, UH, UH, POOL, UH, I'LL CALL IT THE POOL PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY THAT IS, UM, SEPARATED FROM THE MAIN HOUSE BY THE ALLEYWAY, UM, THAT WOULD NOT BE AN STR, UH, WOULD NEVER, WOULD NOT BE CONVERTED THE GOOGLE HOUSE.
WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS COOL ON US, ON THE, UM, ON THE PLANS RIGHT NOW, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLANS WOULD NOT BE AN STR.
UM, SO CAN WE JUST SAY, UH, BECAUSE LEGAL MAY CHANGE WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED TO THEM, BUT, UM, CAN WE JUST SAY APPROVE THE HANDS AND, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH, YEAH, JUST ASK IT WAS SOMEONE MAKING A MOTION A YEAR.
I CAN MAKE A MOTION, BUT I THINK LEGAL IS RESEARCHING WHETHER OR NOT, I THINK CHECKING WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO A CONTINGENCE MODE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND TABLE THIS, GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE NEXT CASE WHILE LEE'S LOOKING INTO THIS.
AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AROUND BEFORE WE TABLE THIS AGAIN FROM, IS IT BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE, THERE'S A SAMPLE, IT'S NOT EVEN A SAMPLE IT'S, WHAT'S FAIR AND LEGAL LEGAL MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE CHANGES, BUT I THINK FOR US, IT SUFFICES THAT IT WILL BE AS TO FORM BASICALLY WE'RE APPROVING THE FORM XP.
I MEAN, I WOULD BE FINE WITH EVEN DOING PERSONALLY.
I MEAN, YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE TO HOLDING THE VARIANCE WITHOUT A DEGREE MYSELF.
LIKE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PARKING CHALLENGE EVEN WITHOUT THE EASEMENT.
SO I'D, I'D BE HAPPY TO VOTE FOR IT EITHER WAY.
I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU, IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH HOW IT IS, THEN MAKE THE MOTION AND I'LL SECOND, IT, LET ME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS MOTION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WITH THE RESTRICTION THAT WE WANT ABOUT NO STRS THAT NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED SOMEWHERE IN HERE, SOUTHERN, IT WOULD BE MOST WOULD BE TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE, UM, APPROVED VARIANCE ONCE THE DRIVEWAY EASEMENT AND SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, UH, HAS BEEN DEFINITIVELY ENTERED INTO BETWEEN THE OWNERS
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OF LOTS EIGHT AND LOT NINE, UH, AND THE CITY AND THAT CON AND THAT ADDED TO THAT, UH, DOCUMENT BEFORE IT IS FILED IN THE REAL PROPERTY RECORDS WOULD BE A RESTRICTION THAT LOT, I BELIEVE, OR IS IT LOT NINE THAT LOT EIGHT WOULD NOT, UH, WOULD NOT HAVE AS A, UH, AS AN ACCEPTED USE ANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS, MAYBE RENTALS OF LESS THAN 30 DAYS.BUT THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE THAN THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.
THAT WOULD JUST BE A VARIANCE CONDITION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, I MEAN, IT CAN BE, THIS HAS ALREADY GONE TO PEOPLE.
AND SO THEY'D HAVE TO BRING IT BACK FROM LEGAL, REWRITE IT AND UNHAPPY WITH HOW THIS IS WRITTEN AND THAT WE JUST HAD THE CONDITION OF NO STR THAT PROPERTY.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION THEN TO JUST, UH, APPROVE IT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY ENTER INTO A DRIVEWAY EASEMENT SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT IN FORM ON F1 SLASH FOUR AND FOLLOWING, UH, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT? AND I'LL SECOND THAT, OKAY.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE ON THAT TOO.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE JUST OUTLINED THE DRIVING AND PARKING, UH, PARKING, UH, UH, EASEMENT, WHICH IS IN REVIEW OR BEING SUBMITTED TO THE CITY AND THAT THERE WOULD BE NO SDR ON LOT EIGHT.
UM, AND, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE FINDINGS.
ONE SECOND, MELISSA, GO AHEAD.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, NO TYPE TWO SHORT-TERM RENTAL OR NONE, ZERO ZIP I'M, I'M PUSHING FOR ZERO.
I THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, I JUST, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEVELOPING IT AT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE USE OF THEIR HOUSE AND TO HAVE THE GOOGLE HOUSE SO THEY CAN HAVE GUESTS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THAT, UH, GIVEN, GIVEN THAT THAT'S MY PERSONAL IS A QUESTION, THE PARKING RESTRICTION.
UH, SO DARYL, IF WE CAN DO, UH, FINDINGS ON THIS, ALL RIGHT, LET ME PULL THAT UP.
HANG ON A SECOND HERE, BUT I DIDN'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SOME REASON I CAN'T PULL F1 UP ANYMORE.
I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE LINK.
I CAN GET TO THE ADVANCED PACKAGE, I MEAN, TO THE PRESENTATION, BUT NOT THE PACKET.
SO IF SOMEBODY HAS THAT ALREADY PULLED UP, THEY CAN DO THEM, BUT I CAN'T.
THE ZONING REGULATIONS APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY DOES NOT ALLOW FOR REASONABLE USE.
THERE'S A LOT IN QUESTION 11, 12 HARVARD STREET DOES NOT HAVE REASONABLE ACCESS IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A REPORT OFF STREET PARKING HARDSHIP, WHICH VARIANCES REQUEST IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND THAT THE TYPOGRAPHY ADJACENT TO THE ONLY EXISTING PAGE CITY ACCESS MAKES CONSTRUCTION OFF OF STREET PARKING EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AND THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE ACCESS BY A BRYAN STREET HARDSHIPS, NOT GENERAL TO THE AREA IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHICAL CHALLENGES PRESENTED BY THE LOT IN QUESTION ARE UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S A LOT HAS DRASTIC CHANGES IN SLOPE, AND THERE'S NO STREET LEVEL ACCESS TO THE LOT.
VARIANCE WILL NOT ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY WILL NOT IMPAIR THE USE OF ADJACENT CONFORMING PROPERTY WILL NOT IMPAIR THE PURPOSE OF THE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED BECAUSE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON EACH LOT MAIN RESIDENCE ON THE 11TH AND A POOL HOUSE ON HARVARD.
HOWEVER, THE PARKING NEEDS WILL NOT INCREASE AS THE TWO LOTS WILL BE MAINTAINED AS ONE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY.
AND FOUR SPACES WILL BE PROVIDED FOR THE TWO LIGHTS, SATISFYING THE NEED FOR TWO SPACES FOR EACH SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT.
UH, IN ADDITION, NEITHER PRESENT NOR ANTICIPATED FUTURE TRAFFIC VOLUMES GENERATED BY THE USE OF THE SITE OR USES OF THE SITES IN THE VICINITY REASONABLY REQUIRE STRICT OR LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF ENFORCEMENT OF THE SPECIFIC REGULATION BECAUSE THE HARVARD STREET LOT IS CURRENTLY A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WITH NO OFF STREET PARKING WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT,
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11TH STREET, LOT, AND FOUR PLANNED OFF STREETS SPACES.PARKING NEEDS WILL DECREASE BRANDING OF THIS VARIANCE WILL NOT RESULT IN PARKING AND LOADING VEHICLES ON PUBLIC STREETS IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO INTERFERE WITH THE THREE FLOW OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE'S CURRENTLY NO REASONABLE STREET.
PARKING LONG HARVARD VARIANCE WILL ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY USE AND PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED OFF STREET TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE NEW DWELLINGS.
GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE WILL NOT CREATE A SAFETY HAZARD OR ANY OTHER CONDITION AND CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE NO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WERE OFF STREET.
PARKING WILL BE CAUSED BY THE PROPONENTS DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE VARIANCE WILL RUN WITH THE USE OR USES TO WHICH IT PERTAINS AND SHALL NOT RUN WITH THE SITE BECAUSE THE LOT WILL BE DEVELOPED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A POOL AND AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT FOR THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT 24 14 EAST 11TH STREET.
UM, UH, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE.
YOU GOT YOUR VARIANCE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, SO, UM, WE'LL MOVE ON.
[F-2 C15-2020-0083 Daniel Salazar for Enez Salinas 2810 Gonzales Street]
UH, F TWO.THIS IS C 15 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO EIGHT THREE, DANIEL SALAZAR FOR INEZ SALINAS AND THE, UH, PRIMARY SPEAKER SPEAKER IS, UH, DANIEL SALAZAR.
AND WE HAVE AN, UH, ARBORIST AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE ANY.
SO MR. SALAZAR, IF YOU WILL START YOUR PRESENTATION AND DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR AVI STAFF TO BE SHOWING US? I DO BELIEVE THAT I SUBMITTED ONE.
SO LET HIM KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE PAGES.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND HEARING MY VARIANCE APPLICATION.
I'M REQUESTING A VARIANCE, UH, FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.
THE LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE BACK OF THE MAIN HOME.
THE LOCATION OF THE HOME, UH, IS FIVE FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE REASON FOR THE, THE REASON THE FORM WAS SET AT HIS CURRENT LOCATION WAS FOR THE SAFETY OF MY FAMILY.
I FEARED FOR THEIR LIVES AND NOTHING ELSE AFTER THE FORM WAS APPROVED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, I BEGAN TO CONTINUE WITH MY BILLS.
THE MISTAKE WAS NOT IDENTIFIED BY THE DSD UNTIL THE PROJECT WAS ERECTED.
UH, YOU CAN CHANGE THE SLIDE PLEASE ON THE NEXT SLIDE NOW.
IF YOU CAN CHANGE THE SLIDE, IF YOU CAN TELL HIM WHICH PAGE YOU WANT TO GO TO THREE, FOUR, OR FIVE OR SIX, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I, I AM GOING NOW TO PAGE THREE.
WE'RE WE'RE THERE, THERE, THERE IS A DELAY IN WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT WE SEE.
SO WE ARE SEEING FRAMING AS THE FOUNDATION, RIGHT? THE NEXT SIDE, PLEASE.
THAT'S THE FRAMING, THE FOUNDATION OR THE WHERE THE SECOND DOOR, SECOND, UH, DWELL IN IS, WAS BUILT.
SO WE MOVED TO PAGE THREE, PLEASE.
THE NEXT PAGE HE IS ON, ON PAGE THREE.
AND IT SAYS THE HARDSHIP, RIGHT.
THAT THE COUNTRY IS APPROXIMATELY 35.
DBH IS AN OVER MATURE OVEREXTENDED TREE WITH A SPREAD OUT AS WIDE AS IT IS CALL THE HEIGHT IS ABOUT 35 TO 40 FEET TALL.
AND AGAIN, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SIMPLY MISSED THE FRAMING AND THE LOCATION OF THE FOUNDATION.
SO WE GO TO THE NEXT PAGE PLEASE.
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BELIEVE I'M NOT ON THE SAME PAGE I ON.SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE SURVEY THAT, UH, THAT WAS HANDED TO THE DSD, UH, FOR MY BILLS.
WELL, WE GO TO PAGE SEVEN, PLEASE.
AND THAT IS WHERE THE, THE HERITAGE TREE IS LOCATED.
IT'S IN THE CENTER OF MY PROPERTY.
WE GO TO PAGE THE NEXT PAGE SEVEN, I BELIEVE.
I THINK IT'S PAGE EIGHT THAT HE WANTS TO MOVE TO PAGE EIGHT, SHOWS A PICTURE OF THE TREE BY THE HOUSE.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS MY CERTIFIED ARBORISTS THAT WROTE, UH, FOR Y'ALL OR THE DSD, OR I'M SORRY FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
AND, UH, IT SAYS STATES, MY NAME IS MILES LEFFLER.
UH, ON THE ABOVE DATE, I MADE AN ONSITE VISIT TO THE HOME OF DANIEL SALAZAR AT 28, 10 GONZALEZ STREET, 77 OH TWO, MR. SALAZAR HAD TOLD ME THAT HE NEEDED ME TO VIEW A LARGE PECAN TREE IN HIS YARD.
AND HE WANTED MY IMPRESSIONS OF THE TREE IN RELATIONS TO A NEW HOUSE.
WE HAVE BILL SPECIFICALLY, HE WAS WORRIED THAT THE TREE MIGHT FALL AT ANY TIME.
AND THAT BEING THE CASE, HE LOCATED THE NEW HOUSE.
HE BUILT A YEAR AGO AS FAR FROM THE TREE AS POSSIBLE.
I'VE USED THE TREE AND TOOK MEASUREMENTS OF THE SAME, THAT THE COUNTRY'S APPROXIMATELY 35 FEET.
IT HAS AN OVER MATURE OVEREXTENDED TREE.
HOLD FOR MATURE AND OVEREXTENDED TREE WITH A, WITH A SPREAD ABOUT AS WIDE AS IT IS, IT'S CALLED.
THE HEIGHT IS ABOUT 35 TO 40 FEET TALL.
THE TREE IS SEEN TO HAVE STUBS PRESENT THAT INDICATE THAT IN THE PAST, IT HAS DROPPED SOME FAIRLY LARGE LEADERS FROM THE PERMIT CANOPY.
IN FACT, THERE'S A HANGAR APPROXIMATELY LENGTH OF 10 FEET THAT IS NOW HACKING ALMOST DIRECTLY OVER MR. SALAZAR HOUSE OVER THE LARGER LENDERS ARE EXTENDED OVER HIS HOUSE AT ALMOST VERTICAL ORIENTATION.
MR. SALAZAR SHOWED ME A DAMAGED AREA OF THE STORAGE SHED ROOF, WHERE THE TREE HAS DROPPED ANOTHER LEADER.
MR. SALAZAR TOLD ME THAT HE WANTED TO MOVE HIS FAMILY INTO THE NEW HOUSE IN THE BACK BECAUSE HE FEARED FOR THEIR SAFETY UNDER THE SUBJECT STREET.
I SHARE HIS CONCERN, MR. SALAZAR.
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE SINCE WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE PRESENTATION, BUT YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND WRAP IT UP AND LET US OKAY.
THE VARIANCE IS THE VARIOUS SCENES APPLIED FOR PERTAINS TO HIS SITTING HIS NEW HOUSE FAR FROM THE STREET, BUT ABOUT FIVE FEET TOO CLOSE TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO EVEN HE HAS LEFT, HE, HE HAS LEFT AN AMOUNT OF SPACE BETWEEN HIS BACK LINE AND THE NEW HOUSE, BUT ABOUT FIVE FEET.
I FEEL THAT HE DID THE PRUDENT THING BY MOVING HIS NEW HOUSE AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS FAR FROM THE SUBJECT TREE AS POSSIBLE.
AND I HOPE THAT THERE'D BE A WAY CAN GRANT HIM THE VETERANS.
HE SEEKS FOR THE SAKE OF HIM COMPLETING HIS NEW HOUSE AND FOR THE SAFETY OF HIS FAMILY.
I, UH, IF I MAY BE, IF I MAY BE A FURTHER SERVICE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME BELOW MR. MILES LEFFLER.
WE MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, SO, UH, ONE, ONE, ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND MELISSA, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS.
UM, SO TH THE ASK IS ABOUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO RESIDENCES OF FOUR, UH, TO BE, UH, FIVE FEET BETWEEN, UM, UH, THEIR, THEIR, UH, RESIDENCES INSTEAD OF 10 FEET.
IT'S FIVE PEOPLE IN THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN OUR, UM, IN OUR AGENDA, THE AGENDA SAYS, UH, FOR TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE LOCATION,
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AT LEAST 10 FEET TO THE REAR OR SIDE OF THE PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE.AND I SEE THIS AS AN ENCOURAGEMENT IN THE REAR SETBACK, WHICH NEEDED TO BE A 10 FOOT SETBACK, NOT A, UH, NOT THE FIVE FOOT THAT HE BUILT IT OUT.
UM, IS THERE A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS, UM, BOTH OF THESE, THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE, AND THE NEW HOUSE? UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE SEE LOT THREE IN THE PRESENTATION WITH ONLY THE REAR HOUSE, WHICH IS ENCROACHING INTO THE 10 FOOT SETBACK.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU ACTUALLY GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT THE PERMIT DRAWINGS, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS DOING, CAUSE I, I, I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT FOR MR. SALAZAR.
SO I JUST WENT AND LOOKED AT THE ACTUAL DRAWINGS ONLINE.
UM, SO HE'S GOT A, A COVERED PORCH BETWEEN THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE, AND THE, THE HOUSE BEHIND THE HOUSE.
UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THAT PORCH DEPTH, I'M SORRY, I'M CLICKING THROUGH HIS DRAWINGS TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN GET A DIMENSION REAL QUICK.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, MELISSA.
SO IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THOUGH, THAT THERE SHOULD BE A 10 FOOT REAR SET REAR YARD SET BACK FOR THIS ZONE, RIGHT? FOR A TWO STORY STRUCTURE FOR A TWO STORY STRUCTURE, IT SHOULD BE 10 FEET IF IT'S OVER 15 FEET IN HEIGHT, UNLESS IT BACKS UP ON AN ALLEY OR DEPENDING ON WHEN IT'S PLANTED OR, OR GREEN.
I UNDERSTAND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY ALLEY HERE OF BROOKE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY.
I SAY THAT SOME OF THIS WAS, UM, STAFF MADE SOME MISTAKES WITH THE CITY AND THEY'VE WRITTEN A LETTER TO THAT EFFECT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF HE'S MOVING HIS FAMILY TO THE BACKHOUSE, WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT? BECAUSE IF IT'S OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, ISN'T THAT ANOTHER VARIANT.
AND ALSO IF YOU'RE GOING TO CARE DOWN HER FRONT HOUSE, IS HE GOING TO CUT IT? AND WITH THE ARBORIST, IS THAT TREE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REMOVED THAT EXISTING PECAN? SO THAT HOUSE BEHIND THE HOUSE IS 1100 IS 10 92 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S UNDER 1100, RIGHT? AND THE PORCH DEPTH IS SIX FEET.
SO IF YOU, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT, THE PORCH ON THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR PERMIT.
SO WHAT GOT APPROVED FOR PERMIT DOESN'T HAVE A DIMENSION BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES, UH, WELL, AND ALSO WONDERING WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO WITH THE FRONT HOUSE, IF IT'S SO DANGEROUS AND WHAT HE'S DOING WITH THAT TREE, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE TREES.
I MEAN, MY MOM IS BARELY TRYING IS BARELY HAVING ENOUGH MONEY TO KEEP UP WITH THE TAXES.
AND WE WERE DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO TREMBLE STREET.
ASK HIM BECAUSE THE TREE I WANT TO, ACTUALLY, THIS IS FOR THE ARBORIST, IS THIS SPREE, IS THIS A VIABLE TREE? IS IT A TREE THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED? YES.
MA'AM I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, BUT HE HAD SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, IS IF THE TREE IS SO DANGEROUS TO THAT HOUSE, ARE YOU TEARING DOWN THAT FRONT HOUSE? THE LITTLE BLUE HOUSE? WELL, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OF OUR FINANCES.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, ME AND MY MOM HAD BEEN WANTING TO DO SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE NEEDED ME TO HELP AROUND HER HOUSE AND, UH, PAY TO PAY SOME OF THE BILLS.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, AS WE SPEAK, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BUILT RIGHT NOW SITUATED.
BUT OUR PLANS ARE TO TRY AND, UH, AND TRIM SOME OF THOSE TREES THAT ARE OVEREXTENDED AND MY CHEESE, NOT THE ONLY ONE.
I MEAN, THESE TREES OVEREXTEND OF OUR OTHER HOUSES.
THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE ARBORIST TRULY BIBLE TREE.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE OF WHAT YOUR TESTIMONY IS SAID, IT'S AN UNSAFE SITUATION.
IF THAT FRONT HOUSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN, OR IF THAT TREE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
I THINK THAT WE'RE MISSING THE WHOLE THING HERE BECAUSE I INITIALLY WAS TAKING THE DSDS, UH, WORD AND THEY JUST SIMPLY DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS.
THE LETTER, I SEE THE LETTER IN THAT THIS HAS, THIS IS, IT WAS JUST TWO QUESTIONS THAT I WANTED AN ANSWER TO.
THAT'S ALL I SAY, THE LETTER, BUT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED,
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I DON'T SEE A SITE, BUT I SEE EVERYTHING ELSE.MA'AM, LET'S GO BACK TO MELISSA.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR DRAWINGS ONLINE OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU GOT PERMITTED, SO FROM THE EDGE OF THE PORCH TO THE HOUSE, IS THAT FIVE FEET OR SO FROM THE EXTERIOR WALL AND, AND THE PORCH IS ONLY ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PORTS IN THE BACK.
SO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING ON THE SECOND HOUSE, THE DRAWING SHOW UP PORCH.
THE THERE'S NO PORCH FOR THE, UH, WHETHER WHERE THE HOUSE INTO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THERE'S NOT A PORCH, THERE'S A PORCH IN THE FRONT, BUT NOT A PORCH FOR THE PROPERTY LINES IN THE BACK.
SO THE DRAWINGS THAT GOT APPROVED SHOW A LITTLE SIX FOOT PORCH ON THE, ON THE FRONT FACE OF THE SECOND HOUSE.
SO THOSE DRAWINGS DON'T SHOW THAT ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO ASK YOU IF FROM THE FACE OF THE WALL, NOT THE PORCH TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THE HOUSE HAS A LITTLE CUTOUT IN IT, BECAUSE IT ALL GOES AROUND THE TREE IS, IS THAT 10 FEET? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME.
SO, SO YOUR, OR THE FRONT DOOR OF HIS HOUSE TO THE BACK OF IT, THE OTHER HOUSE, RIGHT? SO FROM THE BACK WHERE YOU WALK TO THE NEXT HOUSE? YEAH, NO, IT'S ABOUT, BUT THE PORTS.
I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, I THINK THE QUESTION IS IF YOU WERE TO HAVE BUILT THIS HOUSE IN THE BACK WITH THE 10TH FOOT SETBACK, RATHER THAN THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE BACK WALL OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WOULD HAVE BEEN, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FURTHER AWAY.
NO, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FARTHER AWAY.
I'D SAY THAT'S WHERE IT GETS ME IS THAT THIS ALL COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SETBACK AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE WOULD BE 10 FOOT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THE HOUSE THAT YOU BUILT IN THE BACK, EXCEPT THAT HE CODE A BUILDING INSPECTION HAS WRITTEN A LETTER F TWO 11 SAYING THEY TOTALLY MADE A MISTAKE.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I GET INTO THESE ISSUES OF HE DID EVERYTHING RIGHT.
AND THEY'VE EVEN WRITTEN SAYING, THIS IS THEIR MISTAKE.
WELL, MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION THOUGH, WAS THE, THE ASK IS THAT WE GRANT A VARIANCE FOR THE REQUIRED DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES.
NOT THAT WE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE REAR SETBACK, AND I'M AFRAID THAT HE MAY HAVE JUST, I LOOK GREAT.
HE MAY BE ASKING FOR THE WRONG THING.
IF, IF IN FACT, ONCE HE BRINGS IT OUT OF THAT FIVE FEET MAKES IT 10 FEET.
IT WOULD ENCROACH INTO THAT 10 FOOT SEPARATION AREA.
I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS HOW HE WORDS IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE DRAWING TO CORROBORATE THAT MELISSA SEEN SOMETHING ONLINE THERE.
WE HAD ASKED FOR CLARITY ON THIS, BUT YES, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES AT HAND.
ONE IS THE REAR YARD SETBACK, WHICH IS NOT ADDRESSED IN THE VARIANCE REQUEST AT ALL, BUT NEEDS A VARIANCE.
AND, AND THEN THE VARIANCE REQUEST THAT IS THERE, WHICH IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES, UH, WHICH, UH, THERE'S NO CORROBORATING EVIDENCE WITHIN THE PACKET THAT WE HAVE.
WE, UH, SOMEBODY COULD HAVE EASILY GONE ONLINE, LIKE MELISSA DID AND PULLED THE PERMIT, DRAWING TO SHOW THE SITE PLAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
YEAH, JUST A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO IF, IF COST IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS HERE, WHY DID YOU MOVE TOWARDS BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE INSTEAD OF CUTTING DOWN THE TREE? IS THERE A REASON WHY THE TREE, I MEAN, THIS IS ALSO FOLLOWING UP ON SOMETHING THAT, THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER, BUT I DON'T THINK I REALLY GOT A CLEAR ANSWER WHAT HAPPENED OR HOW IT GOT TO THAT POINT? WELL, I MEAN, I WAS GOING VERY ATTACHED BECAUSE THE DST ALLOWED ME TO BE A BUILD.
IS THERE, I MEAN, IF THEY WOULD'VE TOLD ME MOVE IT, I WOULD HAVE, BUT AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURE GOES, NO, I, I NEVER,
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UH, MY THOUGHT WAS TO BUILD A HOUSE BECAUSE I NEEDED SOMEWHERE TO LIVE AND I CAN'T AFFORD ANYWHERE ELSE.BUT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO CUT DOWN THE TREE AND CONTINUE LIVING IN THE PRINCIPLE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS YEAH.
THAT I DEFINITELY WANT TO FIT IT IN THE BUDGET.
I MEAN, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT CUTTING THE TREE BECAUSE I FIGURED THAT THAT, THAT TREE'S PROBABLY PROTECTED.
I'M NOT AN ARBORIST, I DON'T KNOW, BUILD A HOUSE FOR MY FAMILY.
IT WASN'T LIKE I WAS TRYING TO BUILD IT TO MAKE MONEY OR, OR TO DO IT AS A, AS A, AS, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA AVENUE OF MAKING MONEY.
I WAS DOING IT JUST BECAUSE I NEEDED SOMEWHERE TO LIVE.
UH, DID YOU BUILD THE FENCE AND ON THE REAR PROPERTY LINE? NO.
ALL RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO GOING TO NEED THE MARRIAGE, MICHAEL, MR. CHAIR.
AND I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO TAKE A BREATH REAL QUICK AND JUST LISTEN TO WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY HERE, BECAUSE WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HEARING IS I'M NOT HEARING ANY REAL OPPOSITION TO WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE SEE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND REVIEW OF THE PLANS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ENCROACHING INTO THE OTHER SETBACK, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO ASK FOR THAT VARIANCE AS WELL.
OR THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE BEFORE YOU CAN GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO MOVE INTO THE HOME THAT YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE, AND MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE A STAFF SO THAT YOU CAN ASK FOR ALL OF THOSE AT ONE TIME.
CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY HEARING A LOT OF OPPOSITION AS MUCH AS I'M HEARING THAT YOU MAY BE SELLING YOURSELF SHORT AND NOT ASKING FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU REALLY NEED IN ORDER TO GET YOUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
BUT IF WE COULD GET A CLARIFICATION ON, ON THE CONTENT FROM EITHER STAFF AND THE CHAIR SAID SOMETHING THAT WE NEED, THE SETBACK ELEMENTS, THAT'S NOT THERE.
IF HE DID NOT BUILD THE FENCE AND THE FENCE IS NOT ON HIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT.
AND THEN IT DOES JUST OBSERVING IT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS VERY WELL SAID, MICHAEL, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE'S SUPPORTIVE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE HARDSHIP AS IT STANDS.
UM, AND I WILL SAY THIS, UH, TELL ME TO POINT ABOUT THE TREE, HAVING, HAVING AUTHORED THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IN BUDA, KNOWING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TOPIC.
IT IS DIFFICULT, UH, UNDER THE BEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES TO TRY TO GET THE REMOVAL OF A, OF A HERITAGE TREE AND THAT TREE IN THE BACKYARD ALMOST CERTAINLY IS IT ALMOST NEVER WORKS.
AND ALSO FOR THE RECORD, IT IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THAT TREE IS DOING WHAT MATURE PECANS OFTEN DO, WHICH IS DROP A LOT OF LIMBS AND STILL BE VIABLE FOR ANOTHER 40 OR 50 YEARS.
SO, UM, I GUESS MY POINT IS ACCIDENT OR NO, I APPRECIATE THAT THE APPLICANT DID NOT TRY TO CUT THE TREE DOWN.
NOT THAT YOU WERE SAYING HE WAS TRYING TO, SO, SO ANYWAY, I'LL, I'LL STOP.
WE FINALLY GET THE VIABILITY OF THE TREE BECAUSE I AM ALL FOR KEEPING THE TREE AND DOING WHAT THEY, WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT, UM, I JUST THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION AND ALSO TOO, HE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR ANOTHER VARIANCE REQUEST IF WE CAN GET EVERYTHING IN ONE AND JUST COME BACK WITH WHAT HE NEEDS.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT DROPPING A FEW LIMBS DOESN'T NECESSARILY, IT'S NOT LIKE A CEDAR ELM DROPPING A FEW LIMBS DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF A COUNTRY IS GOING TO FALL BACK.
UM, SO, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MICHAEL ON OLIN TO POSTPONE UNTIL NEXT TIME.
UM, AND A SECOND BY ROUND MCDANIEL.
VERONICA, THIS ONE LAST THING, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS NEEDED IT.
SO ELAINE, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBERS, CAN YOU GET TOGETHER WITH MS WITH THE APPLICANT SO THAT WE GET THIS BACK NEXT MONTH WITH ALL THE VARIANCES THAT ARE NEEDED.
AND ALSO WHAT I'M ALSO HEARING IS EVEN IF THE ARBORIST CAN'T BE HERE, MAYBE EVEN NEXT MONTH, IF WE CAN GET ANOTHER LETTER ON THE VIABILITY OF THAT COUNTRY AND ALSO WITH THOSE REQUESTS, IT'S LIKE PLAN SHOWING ALL THIS STUFF.
WE CAN PROBABLY GET THE, THE, UH, UH, WHAT MELISSA WAS ABLE TO PULL UP ONLINE.
AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS NOT ONLY GETTING WITH ELENA, BUT GETTING WITH KELLY STILL.
WELL, HE WROTE THE LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND, AND REVIEW THIS WITH HIM.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO COST ANYTHING TO DO THAT, UH, OTHER THAN TIME.
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SAY, YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A VERY, THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S INCOMPLETE.AND, AND I THINK WE DO TH THAT THE APPLICANT AND DISSERVICE.
AND THANK YOU VERONICA FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE MR. SALSA, THIS ISN'T, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.
I UNDERSTAND, UH, HOW CONFUSING IT CAN BE, BUT I CAN ALSO TELL BY THE CONVERSATION AND I STAYED VERY QUIET TO THE VERY END, BECAUSE I COULD TELL BY THE CONVERSATION THAT THIS IS NEW TO YOU, AND IT CAN BE DAUNTING.
SO IF YOU COULD GET WITH THE LANE, UH, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER, BETTER CHANCE NEXT MONTH.
AND I'M GETTING THIS PASSED AND ELAINE, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR GOING OUT THERE AND EXTENDING THAT HELP FOR THAT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE YESES.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET THIS SITUATED BECAUSE I REALLY DO NEED MY HOUSE.
I, I HAD A QUESTION JUST REAL QUICKLY FOR LEGAL AND HE JUST CAN, THE APPLICANT MERELY AMEND HIS APPLICATION TO MAKE THESE ADDITIONAL VARIANCE REQUESTS.
SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR, I NOTICED ME, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE NOTICED.
I MEAN, HE NEEDS A, HE NEEDS A REAR REAR SETBACK.
IF THAT HOUSE IS IN THE BACK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE APPROVED, SO HE, HE RELOCATED IT FURTHER BACK.
SO HE'S GOT A TWO-STORY STORY STRUCTURE NEXT TO THAT FIVE, BUT PME COULDN'T ADD, MELISSA COULD NOT, THIS BE SOMETHING THAT WE, AS A BOARD OBSERVED YOU THE NEED OF THE ADDITIONAL, UH, VARIANCES AND THEREFORE HIS CURRENT POSTING WASN'T ACCURATE.
IT COULD BE A, IT WAS AN ERROR.
IT CAN BE A POSTING, JUST A REPOSTING.
SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY TO DO A WHOLE NEW POSTING.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY, IF IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T ACCURATE REFLECTING WHAT WE AS A BOARD HAVE OBSERVED THE, IS WE, WE NEED TO ADOPT WHEN WE NEED TO ADOPT SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION OR FINDING THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE DO HERE BY MAKE THE FINDING THAT THIS WAS A MISTAKE AND THEREFORE IT CAN BE AMENDED WITHOUT ADDITIONAL.
NO, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DETAILS OF WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR ORIGINAL QUESTION FOR LEE.
SO LET'S LET ME ANSWER IT, BUT I THINK WE CAN LET ELAINE HANDLE IT.
I MEAN, I, I I'D LIKE ELAINE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, FEES FOR VARIANCES VERSUS FEES FOR REPOSTING OR SORRY, RE NOTICING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT THIS THE BEST WAY AS FAR AS THE FEE OR THE RE NOTICE? CAUSE IT DEFINITELY HAS TO BE NOTICED LIKE MELISSA STATED.
AND SO THE RE NOTICE FEE THOUGH IS, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THE, UH, THAN THE FEES OR A VARIANT FOR THE VARIANCE.
SO IS IT OUR DISCRETION THAT WE'RE ASKING HER TO WAIVE THE FEE ON THAT, ON THAT? YES.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR REQUEST AS PART OF THIS POSTPONEMENT TO WAIVE THE FEE FOR JUST THE RE UH, JUST REWORKING THE ORDINANCE.
NOT THAT, NOT THE NOTICE, IS THAT CORRECT? OR, OR WHAT, OKAY, OKAY.
WAIT,
SO THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT MR. SALAZAR WOULD NOT INCUR ADDITIONAL COSTS TO TRY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I BELIEVE SO.
I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT ELAINE DO WHAT SHE CAN WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS.
DON'T MR. SALAZAR NOT HAVE TO INCUR ANY MORE EXPENSES.
SO ONE THING, DANIEL, UM, I'VE EMAILED YOU, SO PLEASE RESPOND TO MY EMAIL.
UM, I'M TRYING TO GET WITH YOU A TIME.
I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY WITH WORK, BUT JUST SEND ME A TIME.
THAT WILL BE GOOD FOR ME TO CALL YOU TOMORROW.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MICHAEL BONO OLIN A SECOND BY WRONG, UH, TO POSTPONE UNTIL OUR APRIL 12TH.
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MEETING AND, AND A DIRECTIVE TO STAFF TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL, UM, FEES FOR MR. SALAZAR, UH, TO GET THIS HANDLED.SO THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE MOTION AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, MICHAEL RIGHT.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE.
THIS IS POST-MORTEM NEXT MONTH.
UH, BROOKE BAILEY, UH, JESSICA COHEN.
KELLY BLOOM AND DONNIE HAMILTON.
SO, UM, MR. SALAZAR, WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
UH, UH, PLEASE BE SURE TO INCLUDE THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE APPROVED BY, UM, YOU KNOW, OR YOUR, BASICALLY YOUR PERMIT SET THAT WERE APPROVED BY, UM, STAFF TOO, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A SITE PLAN SHOWING THE EXISTING, BUT I NEED YOU TO, TO PUT ON THOSE DRAWINGS WHERE YOU REALLY PUT THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.
SO THAT THE, WHERE DO YOU PUT THE STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY 17 FEET FARTHER BACK ON THE LOT, WHICH IS PART OF WHERE THE CONFUSION COMES IN, BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING IT, THE WAY THAT THE VARIANCE IS WRITTEN, WE'RE THINKING IT'S BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES AND IT'S NOT IT'S AT THE BACK.
SO THEIR VARIANCE IS WRONG THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
SO DANIEL DO SOME HOMEWORK FOR ME BEFORE WE MEET TOMORROW.
GO AHEAD AND START MEASURING FROM THE REAR OF THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE TO THAT STRUCTURE YOU CONSTRUCTED.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE ALL OF THAT WHEN WE MEET TOMORROW.
AND I HONESTLY WOULD HOPE THAT KYLA KELLY STILL WILL, OR, OR SOMEONE ELSE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CAN PROVIDE US SOME CLARITY ON THIS AS WELL.
HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE LAST MONTH.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED LAST MONTH.
UM, DIDN'T HEAR FROM HIM, BUT I WILL TRY TO GET HIM FOR THE APRIL MEETING.
THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM.
UM, WE'VE GOT, UM, SORRY, FOLKS.
I, AGAIN, I'M STRUGGLING HERE AS MUCH AS I'M DOING ANYTHING THESE DAYS.
UM, THIS IS, UH, F THREE AND ACTUALLY F THREE AND F FOUR, BUT I'LL READ THEM SEPARATELY.
UM, THEY WERE, UH, SISTER, UM, UM, ISSUES,
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UH, F THREE, A C 15 DASH 20, UH, 21 DASH ZERO ZERO ZERO ONE.UH, JOHN MEYER AT, UH, 703 FLETCHER STREET AND, UM, F FOUR C 15 2021 DASH 30, ROSIE ROSIE ROAD TWO.
ALSO JOHN MEYER AT SEVEN OH FIVE FLETCHER STREET.
THESE WERE, UM, UH, REQUESTS, UH, FOR, UH, COMPATIBILITY VARIANCES, UH, RELATIVE TO TWO NEW HOUSES, UH, WELL, COMPATIBILITY AND LIGHTWEIGHT.
SO, UM, MR. FLETCHER, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH, UM, MAKING YOUR PRESENTATION IN TANDEM HERE? I MEAN, SORRY, MR. MONITOR.
UH, UH, THE ARCHITECT IS GOING TO, UH, DO THE PRESENTATION.
SO WHO IS, IS THAT, THAT WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION, JAMES
UH, IF, UH, IT COULD GO AHEAD.
UM, SO, UH, YOU DEAL WITH PRESENTATION.
WE'RE REALLY JUST GONNA LOOK AT THE FIRST TWO PAGES.
SO IF YOU CAN PULL THAT UP, UH, TO RECAP AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE WERE SEEKING THREE VARIANCES, UH, PERMISSION TO BUILD ON A LOT WITH A SUBSTANDARD LOT WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE MCMANSION SIDE SETBACK PLAINS ON LOT LINE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES AND THE REMOVAL OR THE SIDEWALL ARTICULATION REQUIREMENT ON THE LOT LINE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, UH, THE NICKNAMES AND RULES WERE INTENDED FOR 50 FOOT WIDE, LOTS.
THESE LOTS ARE BOTH LESS THAN 35 FEET WIDE, AND THE RESULTANT IMPACT OF THE MCMANSION TENT AND THE SIDEWALL ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS, UH, ARE UNFAIRLY RESTRICTIVE, DEEP IN THEIR NATURE OF OUR LOTS, BUT THE LAST MEETING THE BOARD REQUESTED, BUT WE SHOW A MORE DEVELOPED DESIGN FOR ONE OF THE LOTS IN ORDER TO FURTHER DISCUSS OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED
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TO.IF YOU PLEASE PULL UP THE FIRST SLIDE IN OUR PRESENTATION SHOWING THE SITE PLAN, UM, THIS IS OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR SEVEN OR THREE FLETCHER STREET.
OUR OTHER SITES SEVEN AND FIVE IS, UH, THE ADJACENT SITE SHOWN TO THE LOWER SIDE OF THE LOT.
AND THIS PLAN, OUR INTENT IS DESIGN A WELL PROPORTIONED HOUSE THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND FOR THAT REASON, WE HAVE NOW MODIFIED OUR ORIGINAL VARIANCE REQUEST.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE ADHERING TO ALL THE MCMANSION TENTS AND ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS AND THE OPERA SIDE OF THE LOT, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE BORDERING OUR OTHER NEIGHBOR.
OUR REQUESTS ARE LIMITED TO THE LOWER SIDE OF THE LOT.
WHERE WOULD WE BE TAKING THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE OWN AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE SEEMED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF REMOVING THE MCMANSION TENT ON THAT LOWER SIDE OF THE LOT AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON FLETCHER STREET.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE INSTEAD FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER REMOVING ONLY THE SECOND 40 FOOT SECTION THAT WAS IN THE, AND 10 ON THE LOT LINE BETWEEN OUR TWO PROPERTIES, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING THE SECOND SECTION SO THAT IT WILL BE FAR ENOUGH BACK FROM THE STREET, UH, TO HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR PLANS, UH, THE PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT WOULD BE BREAKING THAT MCMANSION 10 STARTS 65 FEET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS ABOUT 75 FEET BACK FROM FLETCHER STREET.
LET ME STOP YOU, UH, UH, STAFF, UH, UH, CITY HALL AB IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE PLAN THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, PRESENTATION ONE.
UM, AND IT'S NOT EXCEEDINGLY OVERSIGHT WHEN COMPARED TO THE PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE THAT ARE INSIDE THE TENT.
UM, IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO TO SLIDE TWO, THE BUILDING SECTION, UH, THIS IS A BUILDING SECTION OF OUR PROPOSED DESIGN.
UH, IF YOU CAN SEE THE RED TRIANGLE IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, THAT IS REALLY WHERE WE'RE REQUESTING THAT WE BE ALLOWED TO BREAK THE MCMANSION TENTS.
AND NOW THIS SECTION DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SITE GRADING.
UH, THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING HERE IS SHOWN APP GRADE.
WE WOULD TYPICALLY BUILD A GROUND FLOOR AT LEAST SIX INCHES ABOVE GRADE.
SO THE REALITY IS POTENTIALLY EVEN MORE DAMAGING TO OUR ABILITY TO BUILD A SECOND FLOOR.
UH, THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT WE WOULD HAVE IF WE WERE ON A TYPICAL 50 FOOT WIDE LOT, AS WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO BUILD A WIDER SECOND FLOOR.
UH, AGAIN, WE'RE THINKING DESIGNER, WELL PORTION HOUSE AND NOT A A HUNDRED FOOT LONG HALLWAY.
UH, WE FEEL THAT THE REQUEST TO REMOVE ONLY THE SECOND SECTION OF THE TENT IS A FAIR COMPROMISE TO OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST AND WOULD ALLOW US TO BUILD A WEALTH PROPORTION HOME THAT FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND IF YOU'LL, PLEASE GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE SHOWING THE SITE PLAN, THE ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS PROVIDE THIS IS A SIMILAR HARDSHIP BECAUSE OF OUR NARROW LOT.
UH, THE PLAN THAT WE'RE SHOWING IS 87 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF GARAGE TO THE BACK OF THE LIVING ROOM IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE LOT, IT WOULD MEAN SQUEEZING THE HOUSE AND PUSHING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BACK, CREATING A LONGER TUBE SHAPED HOUSE.
THAT'D BE CLOSER TO A HUNDRED FEET LONG.
UH, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE A HUNDRED FOOT LONG HOUSE, UH, THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY OUT OF SCALE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE ARTICULATION REQUIREMENT BE REMOVED ON THE SIDES OF THE LOT, THE LOTS FACING EACH OTHER.
UH, WE REALIZED THIS DIFFICULT PATH.
AND SO IF, IF REMOVING THE ARTICULATION REQUIREMENT ALTOGETHER IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD IS NOT WILLING TO DO.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE ARTICULATE 10% OF THE USABLE OF OUR USABLE WATT WITH RATHER THAN THE FULL FOUR FEET AS AN ALTERNATE REQUEST.
UM, THE FOUR FOOT DEEP ARTICULATION IS REQUIRED FOR A TYPICAL 50 FOOT WIDE LOT, UH, WITH TWO, FIVE FOOT SETBACKS ON EITHER SIDE, THE USABLE WIDTH IS 40 FEET, FOUR FEET, 10% OF 40 FEET.
UM, OUR LOT IS ONLY 34 FOOT, NINE INCHES WIDE.
AND SO OUR USABLE WITH IS 24 FOOT NINE INCHES WIDE, AND 10% OF THAT WOULD BE TWO FOOT SIX INCHES.
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU TWO MORE MINUTES TO CHOOSE THE, THESE ARE TWO TO GO AHEAD AND WRAP UP.
IT SHOULD ONLY TAKE ME ABOUT 45 SECONDS.
UM, AGAIN, OUR INTENT IS TO DESIGN A WELL PROPORTIONED HOME THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE FEEL THAT THESE MODIFIED REQUESTS WILL ALLOW US TO DO THAT WHILE STILL BEING AFFORDED RIGHTS EQUIVALENT IN SCALE TO THOSE AFFORDED TO TYPICAL WITH LOT.
UM, WE HAVE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN WE THINK THAT THESE ARE
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TOTALLY REASONABLE REQUESTS, UM, MYSELF MARK HORNBERGER, OUR CURRENT PRINCIPAL AND JOHN MEYER, THE OWNER ARE ALL ON THE CALL TODAY, AND YOU WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON, ON THE, UM, IF WE CAN PULL UP PRESENTATION, UM, UH, NUMBER TWO, UM, THIS WAS, UH, WHAT, UH, THE ARCHITECT, UH, ALLUDED TO HERE.
SO THE SITE, UH, THE, THE FINISHED FLOOR IS ACTUALLY SHOWING, UH, EVEN WITH, UH, UH, WITH GRADE, WHICH IS, AGAIN, YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T DO, HOW DOES, AND I SEE HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, AFFECTS THE TENT FOR THE SHEARED, UM, UH, PROPERTY LINES BETWEEN, UH, SEVEN OH THREE AND 705.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CORNER OF THE BATH, UH, ON THE, UH, UH, SIDE THAT IS NOT, UH, SHARED, UH, WITH THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE IN QUESTION HERE, IF YOU ACTUALLY PUSH THIS FINISHED FLOOR UP TO, YOU KNOW, SIX, EIGHT, 10 INCHES ABOVE, UM, GRADE, UH, DOES THAT GET US INTO SOME TROUBLE WITH THAT CORNER OF THE BATH? NO, I, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN MANAGE THAT.
IT, WE HAVE ABOUT SIX INCHES, UH, UNDERNEATH THE TENT RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, IF WE REALLY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, SKINNING UP THAT ONE LITTLE PORTION THAT COULD BE DONE STRUCTURALLY, UM, DOING IT OVER THE LARGER PORTION WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE BEDROOMS AND, UH, HAC JUST GETS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET ALL THAT STUFF IN THERE.
SO THE ASK IS NOT ANYTHING ABOUT THAT THEN, CORRECT.
WE'RE ONLY ASKING ABOUT THE, THE SIDE OF THE CAR TO LOT.
YOU CAN PULL DOWN THE PRESENTATION YET SO THAT, UM, UNLESS THERE ARE OTHERS THAT NEED TO, IT PULLED BACK UP.
UM, UH, SO ANY QUESTIONS, UH, DELIBERATIONS? NO, I APPRECIATE THE MODIFICATIONS AT THE HANDMADE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ALONG THAT ONE WALL IT'S JUST SO LONG, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE MODIFICATIONS ON THE MCMANSION 10TH THAT THEY HAVE DONE.
AND, UH, THAT HELPS ME A LOT AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A LOT WITH, OKAY.
AND AGAIN, THERE ARE THREE ASKS HERE.
THERE'S A LOT WITH THERE'S THE SETBACK PLAINS, AND THEN THERE'S THE SIDEWALL ARTICULATION.
SO, UH, DARRYL, SEE YOUR HANDS.
YOU GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, I'VE GOT SAID THAT THEY HAD OVERWHELMING NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.
CAN YOU POINT TO ME IN THE PRESENTATION OR THE PACKAGE WHERE THAT IS? BECAUSE ALL I SEE IS LETTERS SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT IN SUPPORTIVE THE, UH, OF THE VARIANCES ON PAGE 11, 11 OF THE PRESENTATION IS THE RESULT OF OUR SURVEY.
AND THEN THERE WERE, I BELIEVE THERE WAS EIGHT OR 10 LETTERS SENT IN, UH, IN SUPPORT, UH, THAT WORKED WITH THIS IT'S THREE 40.
DID YOU ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? UH, WE DID.
AND ONLY BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING FROM WHEN WE STARTED THIS IN NOVEMBER, UH, UNTIL NOW THERE HASN'T BEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET, GET TO.
I MEAN, THERE'S, WASN'T ONE, SO, AND LIEU OF WAITING FOR ONE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE EFFECTS OF TIME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO GET OUR PROJECT GOING.
WHAT WE DID IS WE JUST WENT DOOR TO DOOR TO, UH, EVERYTHING WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE HOUSE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, SO HERE, HERE'S WHAT I'LL SAY ABOUT THIS.
SO THE REASON FOR THESE ARTICULATIONS AND, AND THE WHOLE MCMANSION ORDINANCE TO BEGIN WITH WAS, UH, PEOPLE, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S A SCALAR ISSUES, RIGHT? IT IT'S PEOPLE REDEVELOPING OFTEN THERE'S A SMALL, YOU KNOW, 1100 SQUARE FOOT HOMES, TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM BEDROOM, TWO BATHS, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT A SMALL, A SINGLE STORY HOMES.
UH, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HUGE THINGS WERE GETTING BUILT TO THEM THAT WERE TOTALLY OUT OF SCALE.
AND SO THE MCMANSION ORDINANCE AL ALBEIT A FLAWED IN MY WAY OF THINKING, UH, WAS A WAY FOR THEM TO MITIGATE THAT.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WAS SIDEWALL ARTICULATION, RIGHT? UH,
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IN THIS CASE, THE SIDEWALL ARTICULATION ONLY AFFECTS WHOEVER ELSE THEY SELL AND OR RENT TO ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.SO IF THEY'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO ANYBODY, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUYER BEWARE RIGHT.
SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE A LONG, TALL WALL SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, IT DOESN'T GIVE ME A LOT OF HEART BURN, UM, HERE.
UM, AND SO I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT A MOTION IF SOMEONE WAS INCLINED TO MAKE THAT, UH, MELISSA I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
SO WE HAVE, LET ME DO MY MOTION SHEETS HERE.
SO THIS IS, AND IS THIS ON F THREE AND FOUR? YES.
I REALIZE THAT WE HAVE TO PROBABLY DO THEM SEPARATELY OR WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW.
OKAY, MR. CHAIR, IF WE CAN ASK MR. CHAIR, WE CAN ASK COURTNEY TO GO BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO MAKE, SO PERMISSIONS MAKE A MOTION, WE CALL THE ROLE AND THEN PERHAPS I CAN DITTO THE SECOND FINDINGS TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE FIRST FINDINGS.
UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MELISSA, UH, TO, UH, APPROVE.
CAN WE GET LEGAL JUST TO CONFIRM THAT OR THE FINDINGS DIFFERENT? UH I'M I'M ASSUMING THE FINDINGS ARE DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.
THEY'RE ONLY DIFFERENT IN THAT DID THE WALL BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
ONE IS ON WHATEVER THE NORTH SIDE AND ONE'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO IF YOU MAKE THE FINDINGS, THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN 703 AND SEVEN OH FIVE, UM, THEN IT'S, UH, THAT I, I THINK IT'S PERMISSIBLE TO TAKE UP BOTH ITEMS AT THE SAME TIME, AS LONG AS THE FINDINGS ACCURATELY CAPTURE BOTH ITEMS, I WILL DO MY BEST.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MELISSA SECOND BY MICHAEL.
IS THAT RIGHT? THE SECOND WAS MICHAEL I DIDN'T.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NO WAVING HANDS LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE FINAL BASED ON THEIR UPDATED ASKED.
THAT WOULD BE, YES, THAT WOULD, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
OKAY, READY? IT'S GOING TO BE HARD.
SO I HAVE THREE VARIANCES AND, AND SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO THE FINDINGS FOR ALL THREE.
SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE CLUNKY SOUNDING REGULATIONS, APPLE GOOD PROPERTY, DO NOT ALLOW FOR REASONABLE USE AS THE LOTS WERE CREATED IN 1948 AND RECEIVED SERVICE AT THAT TIME.
AS THE LOTS ARE AT THE VERY NARROW WIDTH, THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN 703 AND SEVEN OH FIVE FLETCHER THAT INTERIOR SETBACK WILL HAVE ARTICULATION.
THAT IS 10% OF THE LOT WITH, FOR THE ADJOINING WALL BETWEEN 703 AND SEVEN OH FIVE FLETCHER, AS THAT IS PROPORTION TO SCALE WITH A LOT WITH THAT DONING REGULATIONS DO NOT ALLOW FOR A REASONABLE USE.
THEN THEY MANSION TENT FOR 40 FEET BETWEEN SEVEN OH THREE AND SEVEN OH FIVE WILL BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH PRESENTATION F THREE, TWO ON THE INTERIOR LOT SIDE OF SEVEN OH THREE AND OH FIVE FLETCHER ONLY, AND ALLOW FOR A SIX FOOT EIGHT INCH DIFFERENTIAL FOR SLAB HEIGHT.
ONE EXPLAINED ABOUT THE MAIN CHANGES TO THE MCMANSION, RIGHT? IT'S ONLY 40 FEET AS DEPICTED ON PRESENTATION OF THREE.
ONLY ALONG THAT THE TENT IS WHERE THE, OR THE SECOND STORY BEDROOMS ARE ON THE PRESENTATION PACKET.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE APPLICABLE ADJACENT TO THE LOT,
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THE OTHER LOT, RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THE HARDSHIP FOR WHICH THE BRANCHES WHO REQUESTED YOU UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AS THE PROPERTY WAS DIVIDED AND IS SO LONG AND SKINNY, ALL OF THESE ITEMS ARE RESULT OF THESE SMALLER BUT LONG.I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY HERE.
AND TO HAVE A HOUSE THAT IS PROPORTIONAL, THE HARDSHIP IS NOT GENERALLY THE AREA IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AS, AS THERE ARE A LOT OF LOTS THAT ARE 50 FEET WIDE, AND THERE ARE SOME SUBSTANDARD, LOTS, BUT NONE ARE THIS LONG AND SKINNY.
THIS IS, THIS IS PRETTY, PRETTY OUT OF CHARACTER.
THE VARIANCE WILL NOT ALTER THE CHARACTER.
THE AREA ADJACENT PROPERTY WILL NOT IMPAIR THE USE OF ADJACENT CONFORMING PROPERTY WILL NOT IMPAIR THE PURPOSE OF THE REGULATIONS OF THE DOMAIN ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
AS THERE ARE TWO EXISTING LOTS, THEY BOTH HAVE STRUCTURES ON THEM.
UH, THE MODIFIED TENT AND ARTICULATION WILL ONLY OCCUR BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER AT 703 AND 705, BUT JASON TO EACH OTHER AND NOT ON THE OTHER, AS WELL AS THE REQUESTS ARE ALSO MOVED FARTHER BACK ON THE LOT.
SO THE MASSING ISN'T AS, AS STREET FRONT VISIBLE IN CONTEXT, AND THEN I'M GOING TO END THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS.
AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE 10% ARTICULATION OF THAT WAS ON THE LOT DEPTH, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS ON THE, THE LOT DEPTH THAT THEY ONLY ARTICULATE THE 10% OF THE, WITH THEM A LOT, NOT THE FOUR FEET ON THE WIDTH.
RIGHT? SO AS, AS THEIR LOSS OR THINNER, AND THEY ARTICULATION CALLS FOR A, A CORPORATE, YOU'RE DOING THE FORFEIT ON BOTH SIDES THAT COMES TO EIGHT FEET AND HAVING IT BE ON THE INTERIOR LOT SIDE.
I JUST KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, SO, OKAY.
SO WE HAVE, UM, THE, UH, HARDSHIPS, UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ANY AMENDMENTS WE CAN DO THE ARTICULATION AS STATED BY THE APPLICANT THAT HE WAS WILLING TO DO, EXCEPT, BUT I MEAN, HE, HE GAVE A SPECIFIC, UH, FOOTAGE.
IT WAS LIKE TWO POINT SOMETHING, INSTEAD OF, CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY THAT AGAIN, A TWO FOOT SIX INCHES, TWO FOOT, SIX INCHES? YEAH.
IS, IS THAT PRETTY CLEAR TO YOU? I THINK SO.
CAUSE YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MATTERS IN THE END.
IF I NEED HELP, BUT NO, I THINK SO.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AND THANKS FOR WADING THROUGH THAT, MELISSA.
MO UH, JESSICA, SO YOUR HAND UP, I GUESS I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE HARDSHIP ON THIS ONE.
I CAN GET IT TO LONG, SKINNY LOT, AND I DON'T HAVE LIKE A PROBLEM WITH A LOT WITH, BUT THE REST OF IT, I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE, NO, I, I, I TOTALLY AGREE.
I MEAN, YOU BUY, YOU BUY A SUBSTANDARD LIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RULES ARE, AND, AND IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS A FAMILY THAT DOESN'T KNOW THE RULES.
THIS IS A DEVELOPER THAT BOUGHT TWO ADJACENT LOTS COULD COMBINE THEM TO MAKE A STANDARD LOT IF THEY WANTED TO DO THIS.
AND NOW ARE ASKING FOR PROPORTIONATELY WHAT YOU WOULD GET, UH, OUT OF A STANDARD SIZE LOT.
THAT'S NOT A HARDSHIP BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BUILD TWO STORY HOUSES ON BOTH OF THESE, THESE LIGHTS.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'VE MET THEIR BURDEN.
I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT AT ALL.
I MIGHT, I MIGHT, I OFFER SOMETHING.
SO TO ME IN BOLDEN, IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY HAVE A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY COULD HAVE VERY EASILY COMBINE THIS AND BUILT A VERY LARGE HOUSE.
SO I THINK THAT HAVING TWO HOUSES THAT ARE MORE PROPORTIONATE AND THAT THE ONLY, THE ONLY PERSONS THAT THEY ARE AFFECTING, BECAUSE THEY PULLED ALL THE MASSING OF BACK FROM THE STREET IS ACTUALLY THE INTERIOR SIDE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.
AND, AND THAT BEGINS WAY BEYOND, UH, WHAT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
[02:40:01]
NOT A, IF YOU SAY 40% OF BOTH OF THOSE LOSS SIZE, THAT HOUSE WOULD BE COMPLETELY UNCHARACTERISTIC OF NEIGHBORHOOD.I ALL, THEN NOT ONLY THAT MELISSA, BUT BOATING CREEK IS A VERY ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND IF THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT BY GOD, THEY WOULD BE IN FRONT OF US REALLY PROTESTING IT, BUT THEY NEVER MISS ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE REASON I SECONDED IT WAS FOR THE SAME REASON, BECAUSE IF THEY WERE TO BUILD A COMBINED THE LOTS AND BUILD A MASSIVE HOUSE ON THAT LOT, THEN I'M SURE WE WOULD GET BOLDEN CREEK, EVEN IF THEY DID IT.
ACCORDING TO THE LETTER, WE DO HAVE A LETTER IN OPPOSITION FROM THEM IN THE PACKET.
IT WAS FRONT OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS ON THE, THE FIRST MCMANSION REQUESTS, NOT ON THE LOT SIZE AND THE MAIN MANSION REQUESTS HAVE BEEN ALTERED AND MOVED BACK AND DIMINISH TO BE IN SCALE WITH THE ACTUAL LOT WITH IS MINE.
AND THEN BROOKE, THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBER HEARTBURN.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ONE THING THAT YOU PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAID THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED MY MIND.
I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT BEING ABLE TO MERGE THE TWO BLOODS TOGETHER.
SO THAT, THAT BRINGS ME MORE INTO, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE REALLY BAD.
HORRIBLE ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IF YOU LOOK CAUSE BOLDEN, AS AND MENTIONED, THEY'RE VERY, VERY ACTIVE AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF IT, WHICH, UM, DOES IT HAPPEN IN BOLDEN CREEK VERY OFTEN? AND SO IF YOU GO THROUGH IN THE BACK, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF SUPPORT AND THAT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO ME BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE OUT IN FORCE IF THEY WERE AGAINST IT.
IF PEOPLE WERE REALLY AGAINST IT, THEY WOULD BE OUT IN FORCE AND, YOU KNOW, BOLDEN ISN'T WELL, I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL CHANGING, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT GIANT HOUSES AND I DON'T CONSIDER THIS, MOVED TO SECOND STORY BACK.
AND THAT'S WHAT KINDA, THAT'S WHAT CHANGED MY MIND WAS WHEN THEY CHANGED THE, THE MCMANSION PLANE AND SET IT BACK BECAUSE I WAS NOT, I WAS NOT FOR IT LAST MONTH.
MR. CHAIR, VERY THOUGHTFUL, UM, DISCUSSION THERE ANY, ANY ANYMORE FOR, WE TAKE IT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO NOTE DON THAT I MANAGED TO GET THROUGH THIS WITHOUT RUNNING MY MOUTH ABOUT THE MCMANSION ORDINANCE.
AND, AND SO WE ARE VOTING ON, UH, BOTH F THREE AND F FOUR, UH, TOGETHER WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, OTHER THAN THE LOT WITS, THE VARIANCES ARE ON THE SHARED, UM, SIDE YARD, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, RE PROPOSED RESIDENCE CITIZENS.
UH, THIS IS TO SUPPORT MOTION, UM, UH, BY MELISSA SECOND BY, UM, MICHAEL VAN OLIN.
SO LET ME DO A COUNT, YOUR ORANGE JUICE.
THREE FOUR FIVE SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT.
WE HAVE EIGHT AFFIRMATIVE VOTES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M HAVING ISSUES WITH THIS PRESENTATION, BE SURE TO MUTE YOURSELF FOLKS.
[F-5 C15-2021-0019 Lawrence Graham 5909 Bull Creek Road (Part 2 of 2)]
UH, C 15 DASH 2021 DASH ZERO ZERO ONE NINE.THIS IS LAWRENCE GRAHAM AT 59 OH NINE BULL CREEK ROAD.
AND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, MR. GRAHAM TO SPEAK.
AND IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD, UH, WILLIAM HODGE, THE ARCHITECT SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THIS EARLIER WITH SEAT CHAIR.
I BELIEVE AVI WAS HAVING ISSUES AND FIXED IT.
[02:45:01]
UH, MR. GRAHAM, YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.UH, LAWRENCE GRAHAM, UH, I'M THE OWNER.
I LIVE AT 59 AND NINE BULL CREEK.
UM, MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 25 YEARS.
WE ARE PLANNING ON BUILDING A GUEST HOUSE IN THE, UH, REAR OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND TONIGHT WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE REAR SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM 10 FEET TO SIX FEET, SEVEN AND ONE QUARTER INCHES.
UM, I'D LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT WE MADE AN EFFORT TO CONTACT, UM, AND TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS WE HAVE, I GUESS, FIVE NEIGHBORS WHOSE PROPERTY ADJOINED, OURS.
UM, THREE OF THE FIVE DID SIGN A PETITION STATING THAT THEY DO NOT OPPOSE THE, UH, THE VARIOUS REQUESTS.
UH, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, WE MADE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT.
WE LEFT INFORMATION AND WE JUST NEVER, UH, WERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM, THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY, OUR SOUTH.
WE'VE TALKED TO THE TENANT MULTIPLE TIMES AND SHE'S OKAY WITH IT.
AND, UH, EXCHANGE A NUMBER OF TECHS WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, HONESTLY I CAN'T SAY WHETHER HE SUPPORTS IT OR NOT, BUT DID EXPLAIN TO HIM WHAT WE WERE DOING.
AND WE ALSO DID GET, UH, ANOTHER, THE HOMEOWNER TWO HOUSES TO THE SOUTH, UH, TO SIGN AND SAY THAT THEY'RE SUPPORTING.
UM, AS FAR AS THE HARDSHIP IS CONCERNED, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS, UM, HAVE MORE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE GUEST HOUSE AND OUR HOUSE.
AND, UM, IF WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE 10 FOOT SETBACK, UH, WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH SEPARATION AND IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO DO SOME, UH, RETROFITTING OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, THESE, THE CLADDING, UM, UH, FOR FIRE PROTECTION PURPOSES.
SO, UM, AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, WE'RE BUILDING THIS GUEST HOUSE, WE'RE REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN THE SETBACK TO GIVE US MORE SPACE IN THE HOUSE.
WE, WE HAVE SOME LARGE TREES IN THE BACKYARD THAT WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND.
UM, AND FINALLY AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER BEHIND US, THE ONE THAT WOULD BE MOST EFFECTED, THEY, WE, WE SHARE, UM, MOST OF THE BACKYARD OR THE BACK PROPERTY LINE, UH, MR. LOWE NILO AND STERN.
HE HE'S DIRECTLY BEHIND US AND HE'S OKAY WITH THIS.
AND HE SIGNED THE PETITION STATING THAT HE DOESN'T OPPOSE.
AND, UM, WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UH, LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, UM, SAINTS TO LOOK AT, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT, UH, SINCE THERE WAS NO PRESENTATION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, UH, WITH THE BOARD RELY ON THIS.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH THIS, UM, IS IF YOU LOOK AT OUR, OUR PACKET, UH,
BUT, UH, IT'S IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IN THE TREES, BUT IN THE TREE ROOT ZONES.
UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, IF IT WAS FLIPPED TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF ROOM THERE'S, UH, THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY GET YOUR 10 FEET, UM, DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE, UH, UM, AND THE GUEST HOUSE.
UH, AND SO I, I'M JUST, I'M NOT SEEING A HARDSHIP HERE, UH, RUM.
SO I, SO YOUR FIRST CON YOUR, YOUR COMMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST COMMENT.
AND MY SECOND COMMENT IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR CONDITION WITH RESPECT TO THE SIZE OF YOUR LOT IN THE SETBACKS IS VERY GENERAL, IS, IS IN FACT VERY GENERAL TO THE AREA.
SO AS MUCH AS I, I MEAN, YOU WANT A GUEST HOUSE AND I WOULD LIKE HIM, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO HAVE ONE.
UH, BUT, UM, BUT I, THERE'S NOTHING PARTICULAR ABOUT YOUR LOT, EITHER THE FOLIAGE OR THE NATURE OF YOUR HOUSE, THAT'S UNIQUE TO YOUR LOT.
UM, SO, SO I WOULD ECHO THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS, UH, AND, UH, AND ADD THAT AS WELL.
OKAY, BROOKE, I SEE YOUR HAND UP, SORRY.
[02:50:01]
UM, I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS.UM, NUMBER ONE, A GUEST HOUSE IS NOT A RIGHT.
UM, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN ADDED ONTO TWICE, AND SO THEY WON'T BE EXPANDED.
AND SO IF THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR ONE, BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS ADDITIONS, IT'S KIND OF A SELF CREATED HARDSHIP.
BUT THE OTHER ISSUE FOR ME IS LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LOT, AND IT CAN BE SMALLER.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THE SIZE THAT IT IS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN FOR A SMALL GUEST HOUSE, THIS IS ACTUALLY A SECOND HOUSE.
AND IF IT'S TRULY A LITTLE GUEST HOUSE, THEN THEY CAN REDUCE THE SIZE AND FIT IT IN THE SETBACKS.
AND I'M JUST NOT SAYING, OH, AND ALSO THIS WAS DENIED BY A OFFICE OF ENERGY.
AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING SHOWING THAT THAT HAS CHANGED.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE APPLICANT, UM, HAVE THEY GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM AUSTIN ENERGY.
AND ALSO WHAT ABOUT THE DEEP RESTRICTIONS THAT DON'T ALLOW THIS? CAN I, UM, WILLIAM TO RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF THESE QUESTIONS? YEAH.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK FIRST TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, I'LL SPEAK FIRST TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FLIPPING OF THE HOUSE TO THE OTHER PORTION OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UM, THE, THE DESIRE ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT WAS TO, WAS TO MAINTAIN THERE IS THERE, THERE IS A GARDEN THAT IS ON THAT SIDE, ON THE, UM, IN REAL DIRECTIONS, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO THE DESIRE TO, UH, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE THIS WITHOUT THE FLOOR PLAN OR THE EXISTING HOUSE.
AND SINCE, UH, I AM, UH, THE DESIGNER WHO IS, UH, WORKING, COLLABORATING WITH ME ON THIS, UH, PROJECT IS FAMILY, FRIENDS.
UM, WE AREN'T DOING ANY WORK TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, SO WE DIDN'T DRAW THE FLOOR PLAN, BUT, UM, UH, MR. GRANT MENTIONED IN HIS, IN HIS APPLICATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR, UH, FOR HIS WIFE'S PARENTS.
AND, UH, THERE WAS A DESIRE THAT DOESN'T ANSWER.
I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT'S IN THE BACKUP THAT THIS IS FOR HIS PARENTS.
WERE WE WEREN'T SPECIFICS ON LOCATION, YOU'RE IN SEVERAL ROUTES ZONES.
THE HOUSE IS A CERTAIN SIZE, EVEN IF IT IS FOR HIS PARENTS, IF IT'S JUST A GUEST HOUSE, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REDUCE THE SIZE AND GETTING THE SETBACKS.
I NEED TO EXPLAIN IF YOU HAVE AN APPROVAL FROM AUSTIN ENERGY TO DO THIS.
AND, UM, DO YOU ALSO, HAVE YOU ALSO FIXED THE DEED RESTRICTION OR GOTTEN APPROVAL TO LIVE THAT DEED RESTRICTION? UM, IN TERMS OF THE AUSTIN ENERGY? I HAVE TO, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAD APPROVED THAT I HAD NOT SEEN THE DOCUMENT THAT SAID, UH, THAT THEY HAD DENIED IT.
UM, ABSOLUTELY DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE, THIS IS REALLY, I GUESS, A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ALLOW FOR SERVING QUARTERS.
AND, UM, I'M NOT GOING TO GO TOO FAR ON A HIGH HORSE HERE, BUT TH TH TH THE NOTION THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY TO HAVE THAT, THAT WE'D HAVE A SERVANT'S QUARTERS VERSUS A GUEST HOUSE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, AGAIN, IT'S NOT FOR MR. GRAHAM OR MS. GRISWOLD TO RENT OUT TO PEOPLE OR HAVE FRIENDS OVER THERE IS FOR THE OCCASIONAL USE OF, OF THEIR AGENT PARENTS, UM, SEEM, SEEM LIKE IT'S THE SAME, THE SAME INTENT.
IS THERE THE SAME INTENT IF THEY SAY IT'S A RESIDENCE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE ONLY, AND, UM, AS FOR THE AUSTIN ENERGY, AGAIN, I AM NOT AWARE OF THE, OF THERE BEING A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS IT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT APPROVED.
UM, IF THIS IS, I WOULD SAY, THIS IS THE ONLY CASE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN RESOLVE THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY IS SET BACK 80 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE UTILITY LINE, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH RUNS MOSTLY ON THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR OF MR. GRAHAM'S LAW.
UM, AS I WAS SAYING, JUST TO FINISH THE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER ABOUT FLIPPING, UH, FLIPPING A HOUSE IN THE LOCATION IN THE HOUSE, UH, THE, THE DESIGN INTENT WAS TO HAVE THE ENTRANCE TO THIS GUEST HOUSE AGAIN, BECAUSE OF MS. GRISWOLD'S PARENTS.
UH, THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS, PARENTS CAN BE AS CLOSE TO THE BACK DOOR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THEIR EIGHTIES AND NINETIES.
SO THE IDEA THAT THEY COULD GET THAT, THAT MR. GRAHAM WAS GRISWOLD, HE'D GET TO LITERALLY GET TO THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF WHERE, WHERE THE HOUSE IS RIGHT NOW.
[02:55:01]
BROOKE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU PULL IT OUT? UH, THE, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY DENIAL IN THE PACKET? CAUSE I, I WAS HAVING TROUBLE.I HAD IT IN MY NOTES IS THAT'S WHY IT WAS POSTPONE THE ORIGINAL ORIGINALLY.
AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN LAST MONTHS BACK IN AND NOT IN THIS MONTH OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T BE, THAT'S WHY IT WAS POSTPONED IN FEBRUARY, BUT WE GOT WITH AUSTIN ENERGY AFTERWARDS, SO, OKAY.
WELL, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LETTER.
SO, UM, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION I HAVE FOR MELISSA AND MELISSA IN SF TWO AND WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS LIKE THEY HAVE IN ALLENDALE, UM, UH, THEY, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ADU.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR TO USE ALLOWED ANYWHERE NOW THAT WAS A SEPARATE COUNCIL ACTION.
I MEAN, IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT SF TO IT, IF THE LOT WERE BIG ENOUGH, IT COULD HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT IT COULDN'T HAVE IT A SECOND UNIT AS F TWO DOESN'T PERMIT A SECOND UNIT.
SO, SO THIS WOULD BE A SECOND UNIT THOUGH, CORRECT? IT WOULD BE A GUEST HOUSE, WHICH IF YOUR LAWN, IT WAS LARGE ENOUGH, YOU COULD HAVE ONE ON SF TOO, BUT I'M NOT THAT HIP ON THE ADU THING.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE.
I COULD PUT ONE, I LIVE IN SOS, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE BECAUSE THE PROPOSED USE IS FULL TIME, UH, BY, UM, THE, THE PARENTS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, HAVING LOST MY MOTHER SEVERAL YEARS AGO, MY FATHER TWO DECADES AGO, YOU KNOW, UH, IF I HAD BUILT MY OFFICE FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, UH, IT WOULD, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT USE WOULD GO AWAY.
AND THEN IT, THE QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS, ELENA? I SEE YOUR HAND UP.
AND SO LET'S TAKE YOU AND THEN KELLY.
IT'S SO A GUEST HOUSE IS ONLY FOR NON OCCASIONAL GUESTS OF THE PERMANENT RESIDENTS.
UM, SO THEY CAN'T LIVE THERE PERMANENTLY PER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THEY CAN ONLY VISIT OCCASIONALLY OF COURSE NOT PAYING ANY RENT OR PAYING ANY, ANY MONEY.
UM, SO IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED AN ADU IN THAT SENSE, BUT IN THE SENSE OF THEY'RE LIVING IN IT PERMANENTLY, THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ALLOWED UNDER, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY PUT PUT FORWARD TO US.
UH, KELLY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE APPLICANT.
UM, WHAT PROHIBITS MODIFYING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO ACHIEVE THE REQUIRED SEPARATION? IS IT A COST ISSUE OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? W W WHAT PROHIBITS US FROM MODIFYING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE? YEAH.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MODIFY THE WALL OR THE REAR WALL TO ACHIEVE THE SEPARATION.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF WE BUILT IT WITH A 10 FOOT SETBACK, THERE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH SPACE BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE NEW HOUSE.
AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME MODIFICATIONS FOR FIRE CODE OR FIRE PROTECTION.
OH, NO, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, LARRY.
NOT, NOT BY ANY MEANS, BUT NO, JUST SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT TECHNICAL REVIEW IN RESIDENTIAL SERVICES IS TYPICALLY INTERPRETED, UH, THE PROVISIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE THAT DEAL WITH FIRE.
UM, WHEN IUDS ARE LESS THAN FOUR OR 10 FEET APART WITH TWO FEES, WHEN WALLS EXTERIOR WALLS ARE LESS THAN 14 FEET APART, UM, IT IS REQUIRED THAT THE EAVES OF THOSE TWO STRUCTURES, WHICH ARE LESS THAN 10 FEET APART, IT REQUIRES THAT THEY BE A ONE HOUR FIRE RATED.
AND WHILE THAT IS VERY SIMPLE TO DO WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD NOT BE SIMPLE TO DO WITH MR. GRISWOLD, MS. GRAHAM, EXISTING HOUSE.
THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A VENTED ATTIC.
UH, THEY HAVE A PERFORATED OFFICE, UH, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY ACQUIRE IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE A QUITE EXTENSIVE RETROFIT OF THEIR EXISTING EAVES FOR, UH, UH, A NOT INCONSIDERABLE PORTION OF, OF THE BACK WALL AT THEIR HOUSE IN THE BACK.
SO IT'S THE 10 FOOT SEPARATION THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING ON OTHER CASES TONIGHT BETWEEN THE FRONT UNIT AND THE BACK UNIT? UM, I DON'T SEE A HARDSHIP
[03:00:01]
HERE.I'M GOING TO MOVE, UH, FOR, UM, TO, UH, TO, UH, WHAT AM I MOVING FORWARD, UM, TO, UH, UH, DISALLOW THIS TO, TO, TO, UH, NOT ALLOW THE GRANT DENY.
YOU GOT TO GIVE ME SOME BREAKS HERE.
SO I'M GOING TO MOVE TO DENY, UM, UH, MELISSA, I SEE YOUR HAND UP AND SEE YOUR HAND.
ARE YOU SECONDING BROOKE? I'M PROPOSING A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO POSTPONE ALL SECOND IT, OKAY.
SO, UH, MINE WAS TO DENY AND BROOKE A SECOND AND THEN A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO POSTPONE BY MELISSA WITH A SECOND.
AM I WRONG? I THINK THIS IS THEIR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.
AND I THINK THEY HEARD WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY AND SAY, AND, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY THE CASE COULD GET WITHDRAWN DUE TO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY GOT.
I'D RATHER NOT DENY THEM JUST BECAUSE IF, IF IT'S NOW THEY CAN'T ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION, BUT IF THEY OKAY, THEY FIGURED IT OUT.
YOU KNOW? SO THEN IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, IF Y'ALL, IF WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
THIS GUEST HOUSE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A TWO BEDROOM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CALLING THE OTHER ONE IS STUDY A TWO BEDROOM WITH A KITCHEN, A BIG LAUNDRY ROOM, A SITTING, I MEAN, IT'S A HOUSE.
AND SO, AND THEY ALSO NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON IF IT'S EVEN ALLOWED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
CAUSE I'M HEARING CONFLICTING REPORTS ON THAT.
THEY NEED TO SHOW ME THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOT ZONE OF THOSE TREES, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ALLENDALE, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS SUE THEM, UH, FOR VIOLATION OF THE DEED RESTRICTION, BECAUSE THEY WERE PRETTY ADAMANT ABOUT THIS AND WITHOUT SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ALLENDALE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, AGAIN, I CAN'T GET BEHIND IT.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SOLUTIONS HERE THAT DON'T EVEN REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
AND YET THERE'S STILL PROBABLY, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, JESSICA, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP, BUT NOT BROOKE ACTUALLY COVERED EVERY POINT I WONDER.
IT'S A, IT'S GOING TO BE A UPHILL SELL FOR ME.
YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECT WHO'S COUNSELING, YOU HAS BEEN ON THIS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, WHILE I WILL, UH, UM, UNDERSTAND MELISSA'S, UM, DESIRE TO, TO GIVE HIM A SECOND CHANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU GOT SOME BIG GUNS ALREADY WORKING FOR YOU, SO, UH, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONVINCE ME, OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UH, TO POSTPONE UNTIL, UH, APRIL, UM, AND A SECOND BY WRONG, UH, THE MOTION BY MELISSA AND SECOND BY WRONG.
UM, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL.
UH, WELL I THINK WE HEAR THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FIRST.
UM, DON LEIGHTON BURWELL, NO, UH, RON MCDANIEL, UH, DARRYL PROVE IT NOW.
SO, UH, ON A POSTPONEMENT LEAD, DO WE, UH, IS IT A SIMPLE MAJORITY OR IS, UM, YES, SIR.
IT'S A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO POSTPONE SEVEN, SEVEN VOTES IN FAVOR, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO YOU GOT YOUR POSTPONEMENT, WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
AND, UM, WAS IT HAD TO FLIP IT OVER? UH, OKAY.
[G-1 Discussion of the February 8, 2021 Board activity report]
SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO OUR NEW BUSINESS.UM, THIS, UM, UH, G ONE IS OUR, UH, FEBRUARY 8TH, UH, BOARD ACTIVITY REPORT.
JUST AGAIN FOR GETTING THAT TO US WITH THE DETAILS.
IT'S REALLY GOOD TO HAVE THAT.
[G-2 Discussion and possible action to form a BOA Workgroup to review and propose changes to BOA Appeals (including, but not limited to, process and fees)]
G TWO.[03:05:01]
AND THIS WAS, UH, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD, UH, UH, ADDED TO THE AGENDA, THE CONSIDERATION OF US, UH, TO, UH, UH, FORM A WORK GROUP TO REVIEW AND PROPOSE A POSSIBLE CHANGES TO A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPEALS.UH, WE HAD DISCUSSED IT AT POINTS IN THE PAST ABOUT POSSIBLY HAVING, UH, SOME BREAKS ON, UM, THE, UM, UH, FEES FOR APPEALS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A APPEAL LAST MONTH THAT BY THE TIME IT GOT TO THE BOARD, THE ORIGINAL ASK HAD GONE AWAY.
AND YET SOMEONE HAD HAD TO PONY UP $3,000 IN ORDER FOR US TO, UH, UH, EVEN HERE WHAT WAS A MOOT POINT BY THE TIME IT GOT TO US.
SO, UM, I, IF, IF YOU GUYS HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT MAYBE TO GET WITH ELAINE TO SAY, YES, WE WANT TO CONSIDER THIS OR NOT.
AND THEN WE CAN ADD IT TO THE AGENDA TO ACTUALLY CREATE A, A WORK GROUP.
SO IF YOU WILL DO THAT, UM, IN THE INTERIM TO, UH, SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT, YEAH, I, BROOKE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT.
WE HAVE A FULL BOARD JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
THIS IS ONE TO HAVE WHAT, THREE NEW PEOPLE.
SO WAIT UNTIL THE NEW BOARD TO LIKE, YEAH, I THINK IT, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER MONTH, RIGHT.
WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE A PRETTY FULL BOARD AND THAT WAY THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO CHIME IN PART OF IT.
UH, I, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TABLE IT UNTIL, TILL THEN, SO THAT WE HAVE THAT AGAIN, THIS HAS JUST BEEN SOMETHING ON MY RADAR FOR SURE.
I JUST THINK WE'RE BOARD, AND THEN
[G-3 Discussion and possible action regarding postponed BOA Trainings (including new topic “Area Character”); Staff & PC Coordination Workgroup (Leighton-Burwell, Hawthorne, Von Ohlen & Bailey); and, coordination with COA Planning Staff (including reporting, presentations and general accountability) and Planning Commission (including LDC overlap (e.g. Sign Regulations, etc).]
THAT'S THE SAME RIGHT NOW WITH[G-4 Discussion and possible action regarding UNO Sign regulations – requesting presentation by City Staff (Jerry Rusthoven).]
AGAIN, IT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.UH, ONE, ONE MORE TIME TONIGHT, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, SIGN REGULATIONS.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DECIDED, UH, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DECIDED NOT TO ENTERTAIN, CORRECTING THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE, UH, WITH HOPES THAT A NEW ORDINANCE WILL COME ABOUT BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE NEEDS A VARIANCE, WHICH OF COURSE WE KNOW IS NOT THE CASE.
SO IF YOU GOT ANY SWAY WITH YOUR COUNCIL PEOPLE, UH, I WOULD ASK THEM TO TRY TO, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD SO THAT WE HAVE CLARITY AND THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT HAVING TO SEEK OUT VARIANCES UNNECESSARILY FOR, UH, THINGS THAT WERE, UM, UM, A, UH, A MISTAKE IN HOW THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN VERSUS WHAT COUNSEL ATTENDED.
[G-5 Discussion and possible action regarding staff guidance on LA (Lake Austin) cases (in particular, the intent of increased setback requirements – environmental or other purpose?)]
UM, WE'RE GETTING THAT NOW.WE HAD LIZ, UH, JOHNSON, UH, UH, BEFORE US LAST WEEK.
UM, SO, UH, I'M VERY PLEASED ABOUT THAT.
[G-6 Announcements]
ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS, I JUST WANTED TO SAY VERONICA, IT'S REALLY BEEN A PLEASURE SERVING WITH YOU.AND, UM, I'M JUST HEARTBROKEN THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SEE YOU HERE NEXT MONTH OR THE MONTH AFTER.
YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT ADDITION TO THE BOARD, AND I HOPE WE GET SOMEBODY WITH YOUR LEGAL EXPERTISE.
THERE'S ONLY ONE, TWO ATTORNEYS.
I, UM, I, YOU MAY SEE ME NEXT MONTH.
CAUSE IT'S A 60 DAY AIRY OVER AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE ON VACATION, BUT I READ MY CALENDAR WRONG.
WELL, AND TO PIGGYBACK WHAT MELISSA SAID, I ALSO APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR ROLE THAT YOU'VE PLAYED ON THE BOARD FOR THESE, THESE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND I'M SORRY TO SEE YOU GO AND THANK YOU FOR HANGING AROUND TO, TO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A FULL BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR MUNICIPAL LEGAL EXPERIENCE, LEGAL EXPERIENCE, UH, AND
[G-7 Discussion of future agenda new business items, staff requests and potential special called meeting and/or workshop requests]
ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER FOR, UM, ANY NEW BUSINESS STUFF IN THE FUTURE.AND AGAIN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT SOMETHING MAYBE BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT TIME, UH, FEED OUT TO A LANE, UH, IT TYPICALLY TAKES TWO PEOPLE TO GET SOMETHING ADDED TO THE AGENDA, BUT, UH, THAT'S PRETTY EASY TO DO SO.
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UM, ALL RIGHT WITH THAT, UH, I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE, UH, EVERYBODY, UH, UH, UH, SHOWING UP TONIGHT, UH, AND, UH, DONNIE AND, AND, UH, KELLY, THANK YOU FOR, UH, BEING A RELIABLE ALTERNATIVE.IT'S REALLY HELPFUL, UM, BECAUSE, UH, YOU NEVER KNOW THESE DAYS, UH, WHO CAN MAKE IT AND WHO CAN'T.
UM, AND, UH, ELAINE, UH, I DON'T, CAN'T TELL YOU ENOUGH HOW MUCH I APPRECIATED, UH, WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO TOGETHER.
I FEEL WELL SUPPORTED BY, BY YOU IN THIS ROLE AND LEE AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, STAFF, UM, MEANS EVERYTHING IN, IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
AND AGAIN, ANOTHER SHOUT OUT TO DIANA, UH, FOR HER WILLINGNESS TO HELP WITH, UH, A GREAT LOOK AND, UH, FORMAT REFORMATTED, UH, UH, AGENDA HERE TONIGHT.
WHAT I SAW, I SAW YOUR HAND UP, I WAS GOING TO SAY, AND THANK YOU.
YOU'RE A V TECH WITH WHO WE HAD NO HITCHES TODAY.
YOU DID IT, IT REALLY, IT REALLY MADE THE EVENING GO FAST AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING OUT OF LOW EARLIER.
THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART BECAUSE, UH, YEAH, YOU GUYS ARE ROCKING IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'D BE ALL LOOKING AT A BLANK SCREEN, WONDERING WHY WE HAD NOTHING TO DO.
UH, WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN OUR MEETING.
UH, YOU GUYS BE SAFE, UH, GET VACCINATED, WEAR YOUR MASKS AND TAKE CARE.