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UH, IT IS 5:34 PM

[CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]

ON MONDAY, APRIL 26TH, 2021.

AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF DESIGN COMMISSION.

IF YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL.

GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS ART SUMMIT WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

UM, CHAIR CAROL PRESIDENT CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.

ROBLEDO COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, COMMISSIONER FRANCO JUST QUICKLY.

UM, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ WAS HAVING SOME TROUBLE LOGGING IN.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER MINORS HERE.

COMMISSIONER TANNIC, GUCCI, ACTUALLY.

I'M SORRY.

UM, COMMISSIONER ROBINSON, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, PRESENT COMMISSIONER WATNEY.

I CAN SEE YOU COMMISSIONER.

SO I'LL TAKE IT THAT YOUR PRESENT PERMISSION TO LOOK INTO PRESENT.

ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE A QUORUM CHAIR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

LET'S SEE.

WE WILL START WITH A CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

IS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT? WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR CITIZEN'S COMMUNICATIONS TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

VERIFY MADE THIS HAS QUIRKY.

THAT'S OKAY.

YOU GUYS COULD HEAR ME.

I COULD ASK ALL COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE NOT SPEAKING OR HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.

IF YOU MUTE YOUR MICROPHONES, WE'RE GETTING QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK.

WELL, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR OUR VOICE HEADS.

NONE OF US WANT TO HEAR ECHOES ECHOES, ECHOES SO GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

THAT ONCE YOU ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR, YOU MAY UNMUTE YOURSELF.

THANK YOU.

THANKS.

SORRY.

OKAY, WE'LL GO

[1.a. Courtesy Briefing of the City of Austin George Washington Carver Museum Expansion, to be presented by Terry Smith - Smith & Co. Architects; Gregory Montes - City of Austin Park and Recreation Department (PARD).]

STRAIGHT INTO NEW BUSINESS ITEM ONE, A COURTESY BRIEFING OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THE GEORGE WASHINGTON, CARVER MUSEUM EXPANSION APPLICANT.

READY? YES.

YES.

GOOD EVENING.

COMMISSIONERS, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, UH, PLANNING DIVISION.

UM, AND I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE COVER MUSEUM FACILITY EXPANSION PLAN.

WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT THIS EVENING AND TO PROVIDE THIS COURTESY BRIEFING TO THE COMMISSION? UM, I'M ALSO JOINED BY A COUPLE OF OTHER PART STAFF MEMBERS, UH, YOU KNOW, LARA'S PALLISER AND MEGAN ECKARD.

AND THEN WE ALSO ARE JOINED BY OUR CONSULTANT TEAM.

WE HAVE COUPLE OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM ON THAT TEAM.

UH, THE PRIME CONSULTANT THAT WAS HIRED FOR THIS PROJECT WAS SMITH AND COMPANY ARCHITECTS OUT OF HOUSTON.

TERRY SMITH, UH, LEAD ARCHITECT WILL BE PRESENTING TONIGHT.

HE'S ALSO JOINED BY WHY THERE'S WHITE PROJECT MANAGER AND THEN ONE OF THE SUB-CONSULTANTS PERKINS AND WILLS WAS ALSO HAS REPRESENTATIVE STEVEN COASTING.

OF COURSE WE ARE ALL HERE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BE A RESOURCE.

SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PRESENTATION, UM, HAS BEEN FINISHED? SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ALLOW, UH, TERRY SMITH TO, UH, START THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, GREG.

AND GOOD EVENING TO ALL OF YOU.

UM, MY NAME IS TERRY SMITH.

I'M WITH SMITH AND COMPANY ARCHITECTS.

IT'S GRIDS.

GREG JUST SAID, THIS IS THE PRESENTATION FOR THE CARVER MUSEUM FACILITY EXPANSION PLAN.

AND THIS IS OUR SECOND PRESENTATION TODAY AND PROBABLY OUR FOURTH OR FIFTH IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT IT ON AUTOPILOT.

UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PRETTY BRISKLY, UM, BUT AT, AND I'LL HIT THE MAIN HIGHLIGHTS OF THE EXPANSION PLAN.

AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS, UH, FEEL FREE TO ASK ONCE WE'VE CONCLUDED.

SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE WE'LL GET STARTED.

SO WE STARTED THIS PROCESS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UH, AT THE TIME THE PANDEMIC WAS IN FULL SWING.

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UM, WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN ENTIRELY VIRTUAL, WHICH HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL CHALLENGE, WHICH I THINK WE'VE ALL DONE A GOOD JOB AT THIS ALTERNATIVE METHOD.

UH, WE HAD FIVE STEPS IN THIS PLANNING PROCESS.

WE STARTED OFF WITH A NEEDS ASSESSMENT OF THE ORIGINAL CARPET BUILDING.

WE HAD SEVERAL SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CORE TEAM.

WE'VE GOT A CORE TEAM, WHICH MAINLY INCLUDES PART.

AND THEN WE WENT INTO SOME PRELIMINARY PLANNING CONCEPTS.

WE HAD THREE MAJOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, ALL VIRTUAL WENT VERY WELL.

WE DRAFT OUR PRELIMINARY REPORT, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TODAY IN SUMMARY.

UM, AND AS I SAID, WE'VE BEEN PRESENTING TO OTHER COMMISSIONS AND PLAN TO WRAP THIS UP IN MAY WITH A PRESENTATION TO THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL WOMAN.

SO THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF OUR SCHEDULE.

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'VE HAD A VERY ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, PROCESS ON THIS CARVER PLAN LED BY THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OFFICE OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

WE HAD THREE WELL ATTENDED COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE VIRTUAL.

WHEN WE BROKE UP IN GROUPS AND RECEIVED FEEDBACK, WE'VE HAD, UH, SEVERAL SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU SEE LISTED HERE.

AND THEN WE HAD A TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP THAT CONSISTED OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AUSTIN SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE, UH, LIBRARY, UH, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER PUBLIC WORKS INDIVIDUALS LIKE SLACK.

THIS SLIDE BASICALLY SHOWS ALL OF THE SIGNIFICANT NEIGHBORS, THE CARVER SHARES, UH, AND HE STARTED, UH, THIS IS A GOOD SLIDE FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH AUSTIN, OR MAYBE EVEN NOT, NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH CARVER, WHICH I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU ARE.

SO ALMOST A LOT OF TIME ON THIS SLIDE.

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS, WE CAME UP WITH FOUR PRIMARY GOALS AND PRINCIPLES.

WE WANTED TO RESPECT THE EXISTING HISTORY AND CULTURE AND HERITAGE OF THE HARBOR CARVER CENTER.

UH, WE WANTED TO ADVANCE THE VISION AND MISSION OF CARVER.

WE WANTED TO ENHANCE THE OUTDOOR AMENITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UH, MAKE SURE WE STRENGTHENED AND, UH, ENTERTAINED TO DIVERSITY INTERGENERATIONAL, UH, COMMUNITY.

AND THEN WE WANTED THIS PLAN TO BE FLEXIBLE, UH, HAS TO BE FLEXIBLE, UM, TIMEFRAME FOR THIS, UH, FOR THE FULL FRUITION.

THIS PLAN MAY TAKE AWHILE.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COULD EVOLVE OVER TIME.

NEXT SLIDE, WE CAME UP WITH FIVE PLANNING, THEMES RANGING FROM, UH, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY AND CARVERS.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT DOES ONE EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY VISIT THE BUILDING? HOW CAN WE HELP THAT? UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE EXISTING PROGRAMS, PROGRAMS WERE BEING OFFERED AT CARVER, THE INDOOR SPACES AND HOW THEY UTILIZED.

AND LASTLY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, OUTDOOR AREAS AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE.

OKAY.

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SLIDE, A LOT OF NUMBERS.

UM, BUT I'LL TAKE YOUR ATTENTION TO THE RED SQUARES, THE DECORATE SQUARES THERE, WHICH ARE REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE OF THIS SLIDE.

UM, BASED ON THIS EXPANSION PLAN, CARVER WOULD BE INCREASED FROM 30,000 SQUARE FEET TO 9,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING PROGRAM.

UH, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE OVER 70,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEW AMENITIES AND OUTDOOR SPACES.

SO THAT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, WHERE WE SEE CARVER, UM, WHEN THIS SPECIAL PLAN IS OVER THE NEXT SLIDE ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE A PERSPECTIVE VIEW OF THE EXISTING CARVER ALONG WITH THE ADJACENT GENEALOGY CENTER IN CARVER LIBRARY, THE CORNER OF ANGELINA AND ROSEWOOD ON THE RIGHT IS AN IMAGE OF CARVER ACID WOULD LOOK AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS PLAN.

YOU SEE ALL THE SPACES THAT ARE BEING ADDED IN COLOR.

YOU SEE THE NEW, UH, OUTDOOR SPACES AS WELL AS A NEW PARKING GARAGE, WHICH I'LL TALK AGAIN HERE IN JUST A SECOND.

NEXT SLIDE.

WELL, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE BUILDING ITSELF OF THIS PLAN INCLUDE AN INCREASED AND A LARGE INCREASE, THE BALLROOM AND EVENT SPACE, UM, NEW DANCE STUDIOS AND EDUCATIONAL STUDIOS AND CLASSROOMS. THE ARTIST'S GALLERY SIFTING WOULD BE ALMOST TRIPLED IN SIZE.

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WE WOULD ALSO ADD A NEW 500 SEAT FRESENIUS THEATER TO GO ALONG WITH EXISTING THEATER THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY.

AND AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THESE ADDITIONAL OCCUPANTS, WE NEED TO ADD A NEW PARKING GARAGE.

SO WE'VE PROPOSED A LOCATION FOR POTENTIAL NEW 300, APPROXIMATELY 300 SPACE PARKING GARAGE.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.

NEXT SLIDE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE OUTDOOR AMENITIES THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AT CARVER GOING FORWARD.

AND WE'VE GOT A NEW, UH, PLAZA OPEN SPACE ON THE CORNER OF ANGELINA AND ROSEWOOD WHERE THE CURRENT SURFACE PARKING LOT IS ADJACENT TO THE LIBRARY.

UH, THOSE THAT PARK THERE NOW WITH, AFTER THIS PLAN PARK IN THAT GARAGE, THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT A NEW EVENT LAWN WITH A, UH, PAVILION FOR PERFORMANCES AND EVENTS, UH, AND THEN A NEW COMMUNITY GARDEN AS WELL AS NEW OUTDOOR CLASSROOMS, UH, UH, WOULD GO AS WELL.

AND THEN WE WOULD OFFER A NEW OUTDOOR RESTROOM.

NEXT SLIDE.

HOW MUCH DOES ALL OF THIS COSTS? UH, WE'VE ESTIMATED ALL PHASES OF THIS PLAN TO BE A LITTLE UNDER $60 MILLION WITH ABOUT $13 MILLION OF THAT BEING IN CONTINGENCY.

UH, WE ESTIMATE THIS PLAN JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE COSTING.

WE ESTIMATED THE PLAN OVER A NINE YEAR TIMEFRAME.

WE LOOKED AT DIVIDING THIS UP INTO SIX PHASES.

SOME OF THESE SCOPE ITEMS ARE CRITICAL PATH, SUCH AS THE UTILITIES WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT DONE.

ALSO GOT TO RELOCATE THE ADMINISTRATION IN ORDER TO, UH, REPURPOSE SOME OF THE SPACES.

SO A LOT OF THAT, AND ALONG WITH THE OUTDOOR AREAS WOULD GO FIRST.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE ADD ON THE GALLERY AND EDUCATION SPACE, THEN WE'D ADD ON THE EVENT BALLROOM.

AND THEN LASTLY, THE NEW THEATER AND PARKING GARAGE.

NEXT SLIDE.

HOW DOES ALL OF THIS GET PAID FOR LIKE EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE TODAY.

WE'VE GOT A LIST OF OPTIONS HERE THAT I BELIEVE THE CITY WILL BE SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT TO GO ON TO THE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT RANGING FROM OBLIGATION BONDS, CORPORATE PARTNERSHIPS, GRANTS, AND PARKLAND DEDICATION FUNDS THE NEXT LAP.

SO AT THE END OF THE PLAN, THIS IS AN AREA OF SITE PLAN OF, UH, HOW THE CARVER SITE WAS LOOKING AT THE END OF THE DAY WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING AND ADJUSTING EXISTING LIBRARY THERE IN THE PEACH LIGHTER PEACH COLOR, AND THEN THE NEW ADDITIONS AND THE PINK.

YOU SEE THE GARAGE DOWN PLAN SOUTH, ALONG WITH THE NEW OUTDOOR PARK ON THE CORNER THERE TO BE A WET LAWN AND THE OUTDOOR CLASSROOMS. UH, YOU SEE KEELING MIDDLE-SCHOOL.

WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH AUSTIN ISD.

UH, THEY WERE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, UH, FOR US, UH, DURING THIS PLAN AS WELL AS THE LIBRARY DEPARTMENT.

NEXT SLIDE, I BELIEVE IS A SLIDE, UH, FOR QUESTIONS, LET ME GO OVER.

WE'VE GOT THREE RENDERINGS AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION.

LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST SHOW THOSE HERE REAL QUICKLY.

IF WE GO A FEW MORE SLIDES HERE.

THERE YOU GO.

SO THIS IS A, AN IMAGE, JOHN, ALL THESE IMAGES, GREAT IMAGES WERE DONE BY PERKINS AND WELL.

UM, THIS IS AS YOU ENTER THE BUILDING AND THE EXISTING DRUM IN THE LOBBY, YOU SEE THE EXTENDED EXTENDED, UH, GALLERY SPACES OVER TO THE LEFT AND THEN OVER TO THE RIGHT WOULD BE SOME OF THE, UH, EDUCATIONAL SPACES ON THE WAY TO THE THEATER AND THE NEW THEATER NEXT LAP.

I TALKED ABOUT THE ADDITION OF THE 500 SEAT THEATER.

THIS IS THE OUTDOOR LOBBY OR THE LOBBY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE THEATER AS YOU ENTER AND EXIT THE THEATER, UM, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, YOU, AS YOU LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, YOU'RE LOOKING ACROSS THE EXISTING COURTYARD ONTO THE ADDED, UH, EDUCATIONAL AND GALLERY SPACES NEXT LINE.

AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE STANDING ON THE PAVILION, THE NEW PAVILION, LOOKING OUT ON THE EVENT LAWN, UM, THE BACKGROUND THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW ADDITION AGAIN, THAT HOUSES THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUITE AT THE TOP AND THE NEW GALLERY SPACES IN THE MIDDLE AND THE EDUCATIONAL SPACES ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT.

UM, IT'S JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE CARVE EXPANSION PLAN, AND I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE HAS, UH, ON ANY DETAILS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I ALWAYS HAVE A

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QUESTION AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO LET SOMEBODY ELSE TALK FIRST.

I'M ACTUALLY INVOLVED WITH THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER AND WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND OVER TO THE FOC BUILDING AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT MY FOCUS IS, IS TO KIND OF EXEMPLIFY ALL THE COMMUNITIES THAT MADE AUSTIN WHAT IT IS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SEE KIND OF A BATTLE THERE BETWEEN US AND Y'ALL ARE IN, I DON'T SEE YOUR PRESENTATION, HOW WHAT'S YOUR FOCUSING ON AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE REALLY PRESENTING TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE HISTORY, BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT STUFF WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IN OUR CENTER TO, TO WHERE WE HAVE A MORE DIVERSE, MAYBE A MORE DIVERSE AUDIENCE, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE WE CAN SHOW THE HISTORY OF BOSTON AND HOW EVEN INCLUDING ASIAN-AMERICANS LIKE ME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEPARTMENT FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT RACES THAT DID MAKE UP THE CITY.

SO I'M KIND OF WONDERING IF THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME COMPETITION THERE, OR HOW MUCH EMPHASIS HAVE YOU PUT INTO THE ACTUAL, THE KIND OF THE BLACK LIVES MATTER KIND OF DEAL AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE, A STATEMENT TO THE CITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE GENTRIFICATION, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN KIND OF RUINING OUR CULTURE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT THAT, MORE OF A PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION.

THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, BY THE WAY.

UM, LET ME, UH, I'LL ADDRESS THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, UM, THE BLUE PROGRAM CAPTURING SOME OF THE HISTORY OF EAST AUSTIN.

UM, THAT WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSED ABOUT THE GENTRIFICATION IN THE AREA, IN FACT, UH, THAT AREAS AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, UH, A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, COMMUNITY HAS MOVED OUT, MOVED AWAY.

UM, AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO RECONNECT, UH, THOSE COMMUNITIES BACK TO CARVER, UH, MOST OF WHOM MANY OF THEIR PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS LIVED IN THAT AREA.

AND SO, UM, ONE THING I CAN SAY, UH, THE NEW GALLERIES THAT ARE TALKED ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THOSE GALLERIES ARE, UH, UH, TEMPORARY TRAVELING EXHIBITS AND SOME OF THOSE WILL BE PERMANENT.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT A PART OF THE PERMANENT GALLERY WILL BE DEDICATED TO, UH, THE HISTORY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HISTORY OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN, IN CARVER.

SO THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.

AND, UM, YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE FINAL, FINAL DOCUMENT, ALTHOUGH TO YOU, YOU DIDN'T SEE MUCH OF THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION, UM, ON YOUR OTHER, UH, QUESTION, I THINK I'LL PUT THAT OVER TO EITHER GREG OR SOMEONE, UH, WITH THE CITY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DO KNOW THE DIRECTOR OF THE LIBRARIES.

HE'S, AFRICAN-AMERICAN, HE'S REALLY HELPFUL TO US AS FAR AS GETTING OUR HISTORY CENTER ESTABLISHED, BUT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT KIND OF, THAT KIND OF COMPETITION, RIGHT? THERE'S TO WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO SHOULD HAVE THE EXHIBITS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO HAVE IT KIND OF MORE CENTRAL, BUT I DO REALLY LIKE TO THINK ABOUT YOUR CORPORATE CENTER AS BEING THE COMMUNITY CENTER TOO.

BUT IF YOU FOCUS ON KIND OF THE BLACK AMERICAN, YOU KNOW, THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN HERITAGE, UH, AND KIND OF, KIND OF LIKE SPECIALIZE IN THAT, AND WE DID SEE THIS FIESTA GARDENS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, OVER THERE IN EAST AUSTIN.

AND WE WERE KIND OF A LITTLE BOTHERED BY IT BECAUSE THEY HAD A LOT OF PUBLIC SPACES AND ALL THAT, BUT IT WAS KIND OF A LIBRARY AS FAR AS RENTING OUT THE SPACE.

SO ARE YOU GOING TO KIND OF A FAVOR THE COMMUNITY WHEN Y'ALL HAVE IT, THEY HAVE EVENTS OR ARE YOU GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE THEM THE NOD IS TO BEING ABLE TO HAVE PRIORITY FOR THAT SPACE, RATHER THAN JUST OPEN IT UP TO SOME KIND OF A LOTTERY WORK.

ANYBODY IN AUSTIN CAN KIND OF RENT IT OUT.

I'LL LET GREG AND LAURA TACKLE THAT PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, YEAH, THIS IS WALTER, AS FAR AS, UH, UM, I'M DIVISION MANAGER OF MUSEUMS AND CULTURAL PROGRAMS. UM, AND THIS SPACE HAS A VERY SPECIFIC MISSION.

UM, IT IS DEVOTED TO THE, UM, CELEBRATION OF AFRICAN AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURES IN THE US, UM, AND AS SUCH IT, UH, IT REALLY SERVES A PURPOSE OF PRESERVING, UH, AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND AFRICAN CULTURES HERE.

UM, THAT IS A PROJECT THAT IS, UH, NECESSARILY CENTERED ON THE PRESERVATION OF CULTURE.

UM, AS THAT HAS BEEN THREATENED IN AUSTIN, AS WE HAVE LOST, UM, QUITE A BIT OF POPULATION, UM, AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION FROM AUSTIN.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO HAVE A SPACE, UM, THAT SPEAKS TO THE HISTORY OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN AUSTIN, AS WELL AS IN THE US.

UM, THIS SITE IS A VERY HISTORIC SITE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE, UM, THAT THIS WAS THE SITE WHERE THE,

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WHERE THE, UM, AUSTIN'S FIRST LIBRARY WAS MOVED, UM, JUST AFTER THE 1928 COOK AND POLAR PLAN, UH, THAT SEGREGATED AUSTIN.

UM, AND SO THIS, THIS, UH, LIBRARY WAS DEDICATED, UH, TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND IT WAS THE ONLY LIBRARY, UM, THAT AFRICAN AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAD.

THAT'S THE OLDER BUILDING THAT SITS STILL SITS ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT BUILDING IS THAT IT NOT ONLY SERVED AS A LIBRARY, IT ALSO SERVED AS THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S WHERE COMMUNITY AND MEETINGS, WHERE THEY HAD EXHIBITS, UM, WHERE PEOPLE COULD, UH, MEET AND ORGANIZE, UH, FOR THEMSELVES.

AND SO, UM, AS, UM, THE CITY HAS GROWN IN MANY RESPECTS, THE LIBRARY EXPANDED INTO A NEW BUILDING AND THE CULTURAL CENTER EXPANDED INTO A NEW BUILDING, BUT IT'S STILL A VERY IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT CORNER IN AUSTIN IN TERMS OF THE ROLE THAT THAT CENTER PLAYED, UH, IN AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY THERE.

UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, CITING, UM, THE MUSEUM AT THAT SITE IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT ACT IN TERMS OF PRESERVING AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURE.

YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY COME A LONG WAY IN US.

AND WE FINALLY GOT THE ASIAN AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY THE LAST ONES THAT GOT THAT, BUT THERE WAS A MAC THERE'S A CARVER.

SO I, I LOVE HAVING THE, THESE SPECIAL PLACES, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR, OUR RACE OR CULTURES TO KIND OF CELEBRATE.

AND, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF LIKE FOCUS MORE ON KIND OF THE LOCAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE DID TO MAKE US AND WHAT IT IS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER IS TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WITH ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIVERGENCE OF ALL THOSE RACIAL, UH, EXPERIENCES.

BUT SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I JUST W THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP.

WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT AND MAYBE YOU'RE NOT AWARE THAT WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE LIBRARY AND WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE HISTORY CENTER.

WE'RE KIND OF JOINED AT THE HIP, UM, AND THAT WE HAVE THE SAME PROJECT, THE SAME CULTURAL PROJECT OF, UH, PRESERVING CULTURE.

AND SO, UM, WE, UH, JUST WON THE SUPPORT OF THE LIBRARY COMMISSION BECAUSE, UM, THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR ASKED US DIRECTLY, ARE YOU, ARE YOU WILLING TO, TO, UH, PROGRAM ALONG WITH US? AND WE SAID, ABSOLUTELY, WE ARE YOUR PARTNERS IN THE PAST, IN THE PRESENT AND INTO THE FUTURE.

OKAY.

WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANY MORE.

THAT'S KINDA WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

I DIDN'T HEAR THAT BEFORE, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.

THANKS.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, MR. REMINDERS.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THIS IS A REALLY EXCITING PROPOSAL.

I WANTED TO EXPLORE THE PUBLIC PLAZA A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, IN THE RENDERING, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME FOOD TRUCKS, AND I JUST WONDER, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ALMOST IN INCUBATORY, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOCAL BUSINESS, MAYBE EVEN UPON THAT IS BLACK OWNED TO HAVE MORE OF A PERMANENT RESIDENCE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S DESIGNED TO BE MORE TEMPORARY? WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS AROUND THAT? OKAY.

AND THIS IS EQUIPPED WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

I THINK, UH, THAT'S FACE WE, UH, TRY TO ILLUSTRATE IN A WAY THAT KIND OF GAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE KIND OF THE FRONT DOOR TO THE CAMPUS, AS YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE OF.

WE NOT ONLY HAVE OUR MUSEUM THERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE LIBRARY THERE IN GENEALOGY CENTER.

SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF CREATE A FRONT DOOR, AND THAT WAS IN OUR OPINIONS AND IN WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT WAS A SUPPORTED IDEA, BUT, UM, WE DIDN'T REALLY DEFINE WHAT THAT SPACE WOULD REALLY KIND OF LOOK LIKE JUST YET, BUT I THINK WE'RE LEAVING THAT OPEN FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE DESIGN PHASE.

UM, SO I THINK THAT WE LEFT A LITTLE BIT OF LATITUDE THERE AND WE DIDN'T GET TOO PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT, IT'S GOING TO LOOK THIS WAY AND WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THESE TYPES OF SPECIFIC USES.

THINK WE'RE LEAVING THAT A LITTLE FLUID SO THAT WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE INTO THAT NEXT PHASE, BECAUSE OUR, OUR, OUR APPROXIMATE RECREATION DEVELOPMENT TEAM, OUR CIP TEAM IS GOING TO PICK UP THIS PROJECT AND MOVE FORWARD INTO A DESIGN PHASE.

SO I THINK THAT FUTURE ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES WITH STAKEHOLDERS IS GOING TO KIND OF BETTER SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO I THINK THE QUESTION THAT YOU BRING UP, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE A POINT OF DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE WE CAN BETTER DEFINE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK

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LIKE IN THIS PLANNING PHASE.

IT WAS VERY HIGH LEVEL.

AND I THINK WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO WAS TO GAIN SOME SUPPORT FOR THAT, UH, SPACE TO BE OPEN, UM, AND TO KIND OF BE FLEXIBLE.

UM, SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS IN THE FUTURE ABOUT THAT SPACE, FOR SURE.

YEAH.

HEY GREG, LET ME ADD TO THAT.

UM, THE, THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT BLACK BUSINESSES AND THE INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, JUST LAST WEEK, WE PRESENTED TO THE ARRC AFRICAN-AMERICAN RESOURCES, ADVISORY COMMISSION.

UM, AND ONE OF THEIR ACTUAL IDEAS WAS TO IMPLEMENT RETAIL OR BUSINESSES, BLACK OWNED BUSINESSES INTO THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF THE GARAGE.

SO, UM, THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, A VERY GOOD IDEA.

UM, UH, IT'D BE FRONTING A VERY, VERY BUSY STREET.

UH, YOU COULD HAVE STOREFRONT BUSINESSES, UM, AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S PHENOMENAL.

I THINK ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU ALL CAN PROVIDE, IT'S NOT JUST FAMILIES THAT WERE DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES, BUT BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE DISPLACED FROM THEIR BUSINESSES.

I THINK IF WE CAN HELP TO HAVE A RECOGNIZE IT BY PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING THOSE BUSINESSES BACK IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, THAT'S REALLY ENCOURAGED.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

EXCELLENT QUESTION.

THAT'S YOUR CALLING.

YOU DO, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

THAT WAS EXCITING.

I LOVE SEEING ALL OF THIS NEW POTENTIAL, UH, ALONG THE SAME LINE THAT COMMISSIONER MINORS WAS DISCUSSING ABOUT THE SIDE.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW I GET THERE, THE CONNECTIVITY, THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, HOW I MIGHT GET THERE THROUGH MASS TRANSPORTATION, ADJACENCIES, HOW, HOW I LOOK IN THE CONTEXT OF MY SURROUNDINGS.

CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR EDGES AND HOW, HOW YOU APPROACH THE SIDE? WELL, I CAN TALK ABOUT THE MICRO I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO LET GREG OR SOMEONE TALK ABOUT THE MACRO PART OF THAT QUESTION.

IN FACT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PULL UP THE PRESENTATION, WE COULD GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, THAT MIGHT HELP GIVE US SOME CONTEXT ON THAT QUESTION.

IF WE GO BACK A FEW SLIDES THERE TO THE SITE, LIKE ONE MORE DAY, YOU CAN, UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S ACTUALLY ASK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.

I CAN TELL YOU CURRENTLY THERE IS A BUS STOP RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF PAC.

YOU CAN SEE IT DOWN AT THE LOWER LEFT CORNER THERE.

SO THERE'S A DIRECT STOP FROM PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION RIGHT ONTO THIS SITE, UM, BECAUSE THE EXISTING BUILDING, NO, UH, WAS SET IN ITS CURRENT, UH, UH, FORM, UH, AND THE GENEALOGY CENTER WAS THERE AND THE LIBRARY WHERE THEY WERE THERE AND THE SCHOOL WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH AND THE LIBRARY, MOST OF THE OPTIONS IN TERMS OF THE GROWTH OF CARVER, WE'RE LOCKED INTO SOME OF THOSE EXISTING ELEMENTS.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE PARKING, HOW PARKING WOULD IMPACT IF THAT COMMUNITY AND HOW WE WOULD RESOLVE THAT.

YOU KNOW, MOST OF THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS ARE NOT VERY LARGE.

IT'S NOT THAT IT'S SOME STREET PARKING, BUT IT'S CURRENTLY NOT ENOUGH, OBVIOUSLY TO BE ENOUGH TO CATER TO CARVER IN THE FUTURE.

SO, UH, SETTING THAT GARAGE THERE, WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON WHERE THAT GARAGE WOULD GO.

UM, WE SETTLED ON THAT LOCATION BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT, UH, THE SCHOOL'S PARKING UP ON THE NORTH, BUT ONE OF THE IDEAS WE HAD ON THAT GARAGE WAS THE GARAGE SERVING AS AN ART PIECE TO THE COMMUNITY, LIKE A MURAL ON A FACADE OR SOMETHING THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, AS YOU PASS DOWN ON ROSEWOOD STREET AND UPON ANGELINA.

SO IN MY MICRO, UH, LEVEL, UM, THE MAIN THING WE HAD TO DEAL WITH ON THE SITE WAS THE UTILITIES RELOCATING THOSE UTILITIES.

SO WE COULD EXPAND THIS EXISTING BUILDING.

WE DID WANT TO RESPECT THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING THAT WAS DESIGNED ORIGINALLY BY DONNA CARTER.

UM, AND SO THOSE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS OR SO AGO, THEY'RE STILL AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MOVED FROM THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEY WERE AROUND WHEN THE ORIGINAL CARVER WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED.

SO FROM A MICRO LEVEL, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I DON'T KNOW, LAURA, GREG, YOU WANT TO HANDLE SIMILAR, MORE MACRO ASPECTS TO THAT QUESTION FROM BOSTON? SURE.

YEAH.

I COULD TRY TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE KIND OF, UH, KIND OF LOOKING AT ROSEWOOD AVENUE ON THE SOUTH SIDE AS A PEDESTRIAN.

UM, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS ARE ALWAYS THE KEY, UH, YOU KNOW, A PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET PEOPLE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY.

I KNOW THAT, UH, BOTH ROSE WOOD, UM,

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I PUT ANGELINA MILES AND I WANT TO SAY THAT PENNSYLVANIA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SIDEWALKS TO GET TO THE SITE NOW HOW EXTENSIVE THEY ARE AS THEY BLEED INTO THE REST OF THE, THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD MISS LIKE MOST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY, BUT BEING THAT THIS IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I'M THINKING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A NETWORK OF SIDEWALKS THAT ARE IN PLACE TO GET FOLKS THAT ARE NEARBY TO THE SITE WITHOUT HAVING TO GET IN A, UH, VEHICLE.

WE DO HAVE BIKE LANES ALSO IN ROSEWOOD AVENUE.

UM, SO THEY ARE IN BOTH THE EAST AND WEST DIRECTION.

AND THEN THE NUMBER TWO, UH, BUS ROUTE DOES HAVE A VERY KEY AND CONVENIENT A BUS STOP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD WOULD AT THE CORNER OF ANGELINA AND ROSE WITH WHICH IS I THINK, UH, VERY HELPFUL TO GET, UH, VISITORS TO THE LIBRARY AND THE MUSEUM.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT THAT AS WE LOOK AT THAT PUBLIC SPACE AT THAT CORNER, WE WANT YOU TO INCORPORATE, TO MAKE IT MORE INVITING AND MORE, UH, USABLE FOR, FOR FOLKS AND EASIER FOR FOLKS TO USE AND ACCESS THE CAMPUS.

BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK, I GUESS, MAKE THAT KIND OF A FRONT DOOR.

UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, EAST CYCLE ALSO HAS A STATION ON ANGELINA, WHICH WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE OF ANGELINA STREET, JUST OUTSIDE OF THE LIBRARY.

SO, UM, THAT IS ALSO THERE TO MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, CYCLING TO THIS SITE AND FROM THE SIDE, UM, MORE CONVENIENT.

UM, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UM, WENT ON ANSWERED IN YOUR QUESTION.

WELL, I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS ON THE WEST, UM, THAT THE, THE, THE SIDEWALKS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURES AND THAT SIDEWALL EXPERIENCE LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE VERY HOT.

SO I THINK SHOWING SOMETHING IN THE SPIRIT OF GREAT STREETS AND CERTAINLY SUBCHAPTER E THAT LOOKS AT A SHADED EDGE THERE, I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO EVEN SHOW AT A MASTER PLAN STAGE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT STUCK OUT.

I APPRECIATE THE KIND OF ACTIVITY.

THE ONE THING I'M LOOKING AT TOO, IS IS THAT A DETENTION POND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LAWN PLAN, SOUTH SIDE OF THE LAWN? YEAH, IT IS EXISTING TODAY.

YES.

UM, IT'S A, IT'S A DRIVER, BUT SOMEWHAT OF A DRY POND.

SO, UH, THAT, THAT IS PLANNED TO BE ENHANCED.

UM, BUT OF THE STORM INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE IS, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM IS GETTING REBUILT.

OKAY.

BECAUSE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE ON THAT LOADING DOCK AND PARKING LOT SIDE, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT CONNECTION, BUT I WOULD, LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT INTEGRATING THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION IN THAT POND WHERE IT'S NOT HUGGING THAT LOADING DOCK.

I DO SEE IT ON THE PLAN RIGHT-HAND SIDE, EAST SIDE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOME MINOR CONNECTION COMPARED TO THE WIDER ONE.

I, I JUST, YEAH, JUST THINGS LIKE, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE CONNECTION TO THE SURROUNDINGS, BECAUSE I THINK THE STRENGTH IN THIS, THESE OPEN SPACES IS HOW WELL THEY INTEGRATE WITH THE EDGE.

SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I NOTICED.

ONE OTHER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S JUST A SIDE NOTE, THAT'S BEEN, UM, VERY PRESENT SINCE WE LOST ALL THE PLANT MATERIAL DURING OUR BREAKS, NO EVENT IS I'M SEEING A LOT OF SHRUBS AND TREES AND GROUND COVER INDICATED, WHICH IS EXCELLENT, WHETHER IT'S A COMMUNITY GARDEN OR A ZEROSCAPE ART OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THE NUMBER I'M GETTING FROM MY LANDSCAPE CONTRACTOR FRIENDS IS ABOUT 10% OF YOUR LANDSCAPE AND INSTALLATION WILL BE MAINTENANCE MONEY GOING FORWARD.

SO EVERY 10 YEARS YOU'VE KIND OF PAID FOR ALL OF YOUR LANDSCAPE INSTALL INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO WE ALL WANT LOW MAINTENANCE AND EASY TO MAINTAIN.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY, BE VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH HOW MUCH INTENSE MAINTENANCE YOU HAVE IN AREAS LIKE THAT, AND JUST GROW IT OVER TIME, BUT DON'T BE OVERLY AMBITIOUS.

WE'RE HAVING CHALLENGES ON SOME OF OUR PUBLIC PROJECTS, LIKE NOW IN RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN.

SO I JUST MENTIONED THAT OPEN LAWNS ARE GREAT, THAT HIGH-INTENSE LANDSCAPE AREAS.

JUST, YOU DEFINITELY WANT THAT, BUT JUST BE CONSERVATIVE IN IT AS A STARTUP.

THE INTENTION OF THAT AREA, THAT GARDEN AREA IS TO BE A COMMUNITY GARDEN.

OKAY.

THAT'S GREAT.

JUST MAYBE THE SIZE, JUST STUDY THE SIZE OF GROW INTO IT.

THERE'S SOME COMMUNITY GARDENS THAT ARE HUGE SUCCESSES AND THEIR SONS THAT BECOME MAINTENANCE OVERWHELMING.

SO THAT'S JUST A HUGE GARDEN.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY AN UNSOLICITED COMMENT, BUT I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CONNECTIVITY DISCUSSION.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THAT WAS A GREAT COMMENT.

OKAY.

HELLO.

UM,

[00:35:01]

I, UH, HAD SIMILAR COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, SO I WON'T, UM, SAY ANY OF THEM, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY THAT THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION IS, UM, REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND, UH, KIND OF A GREAT CASE STUDY FOR US.

UM, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SLIDES, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I ENCOURAGE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS THAT AS WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS PLANNING, UH, REWRITING OUR URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, PERHAPS WE WORK IN SOMETHING THERE SO THAT, UM, WE ENCOURAGE, UH, PRESENTERS TO INCLUDE SLIDES LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S, UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT FOR ALL KINDS OF PROJECTS, NOT JUST THESE KINDS OF PUBLIC BUDGETS, UM, FOR, YEAH, IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE THIS CASE STUDY.

AND IF YOU COULD MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, LIKE FINDINGS AND HURDLES AND BARRIERS, UM, HURDLES, BARRIERS, CHALLENGES, BUT THEN ALSO LIKE FINDINGS AND INSIGHTS FROM THAT EXPERIENCE.

GREG, YOU JUST ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.

GREAT.

IN THE LAST MEETING PRESENTATION.

WELL, I, I WAS ALSO SMILING BECAUSE I WE'VE BEEN PRESENTING AS TERRY MENTIONED, UH, TO WORSEN COMMISSIONS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT HAS BEEN VERY CHALLENGING FOR, FOR OUR TEAM HAS BEEN THAT, UM, WHEN THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK WAS DRAWN UP FOR THIS PROJECT AND WAS KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IN-PERSON MEETINGS, UM, WHEN THE PANDEMIC HIT, UM, WE HAD TO CHANGE OUR GAME PLAN WHILE THE PLAN HAD ALREADY STARTED IN.

SO IN THE PROCESS WE HAD TO ADJUST TO NOW GOING VIRTUAL WHEN THE SCOPE WAS LAID OUT TO GO IN PERSON.

SO THE PANDEMIC HIT PRETTY QUICKLY AND WE HAD TO, AS A TEAM ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES.

BUT AS IN THIS SLIDE, AS TERRY HIGHLIGHTED, I THINK THE PRESENT, THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE SHARED WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN THE OUTREACH THAT WAS DONE, AND THE CONNECTIONS THAT WE MADE WERE CERTAIN GROUPS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE LAURA'S, YOU KNOW, UH, AND, AND, AND OUR CURATOR AT THE MUSEUM AT HIGHLIGHT, THERE WERE CERTAIN GROUPS WE NEEDED TO MEET WITH.

AND SO, UM, MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, I THINK WAS A BIG CHALLENGE FOR US DURING THE ENGAGEMENT.

I THINK NOW MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THAT I SPOKE TO WORK.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP A COMPONENT OF VIRTUAL, BUT ALSO IN PERSON I HAVE YET TO MEET TERRY SMITH IN PERSON WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM.

AND STEPHEN CLOSEST FROM PARKINSON WILL FOR A YEAR NOW.

UM, AND WE HAVE NOT MET ONE STAKEHOLDER IN PERSON.

THAT WAS A HUGE CHALLENGE, BUT KEEPING IN MIND, WE WENT VIRTUAL 100%, BUT YET WITH STAKEHOLDERS INPUT, WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE THIS, THIS GREAT PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUS TONIGHT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, HATS OFF TO THE, TO THE EFFORTS THAT PART STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT TEAMMATE TO ADJUST, UM, AND TO, YOU KNOW, STILL CREATE A PLAN THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF THEIR, THEIR DESIRES AND THOUGHTS AND INPUT THAT THEN SHARED WITH US THAT I THINK FOR US WAS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE.

BUT I THINK THAT, UM, I ALSO WANT TO GIVE LAURA AND TERRY SOME TIME TO ALSO, UM, CHIME IN, BUT I THINK THAT OUR EFFORTS TO GET THE WORD OUT, UH, WAS, WAS SUCCESSFUL, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD TO CHANGE THE GAME PLAN.

I CAN ADD SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING TO THAT QUESTION.

THIS GROUP WOULD BE PROBABLY MORE INTERESTED IN THIS THAN THE OTHER GROUPS THAT WE PRESENTED TO BECAUSE AS A, AS A CONSULTANT, UM, AS A DESIGN CONSULTANT AND ARCHITECT, YOU RELY SOMETIMES ON THE, NOT JUST THE OPEN REPEAT BACK, YOU RE YOU RELY ON THE ATTITUDE IN THE ROOM, YOU RELY ON THE FACIAL GESTURES AS YOU'RE PRESENTING, AND YOU USE ALL OF THOSE CUES TO READ YOUR CLIENT, UM, MEETING VIRTUALLY YOU DON'T GET THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO.

YOU JUST HEAR A VOICE, RIGHT.

AND SO IT WAS A VERY, VERY, UH, DIFFERENT PROCESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ONE POSITIVE OF IT, UM, IS YOU REACH AN AUDIENCE THAT YOU WOULD NOT OTHERWISE REACH IF YOUR, ALL YOUR MEETINGS WERE IN PERSON.

RIGHT.

UM, AND BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, NOBODY WAS HAVING ANY VIRTUAL MEETINGS.

I MEAN, YOU WERE, BUT THEY WERE VERY LIMITED.

SO, UM, HAD THIS GONE, LIKE GREG TALKED ABOUT HOW WE EXPECTED, UH, I THINK WE ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE LOST THE PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE, WE GAINED BECAUSE NOW THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GET IN THEIR CAR.

THEY COULD SIMPLY WALK TO THEIR COMPUTERS AND THEY'RE THERE THEY ARE.

SO

[00:40:01]

I THINK IT WAS A GIVE AND TAKE.

IT WAS DEFINITELY PLUSES AND MINUSES, BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, UM, THE, THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED THE CORE TEAM FROM PART IN PARTICULARLY THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OFFICERS FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN, DID A GREAT JOB.

ULTIMATELY, I THINK THE STRENGTH IN OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, PROCESS WAS IN TARGET MARKETING.

UM, WE WOULD IDENTIFY A CONSTITUENCY THAT WAS VERY INVESTED.

UM, AND THEN WE WOULD REACH OUT TO THEM.

WE WOULD PHONE CALL, UM, EMAIL, UH, CAJOLE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THESE WERE FOLKS THAT WE KNEW WERE ALREADY REALLY INVESTED IN THE CARVER AND WOULD SHOW UP WHEN WE ASK THEM TO ARE REPRESENTING EACH OF THE GENRES, EACH OF THE ARTISTIC DISCIPLINES THAT WE SERVE AT THE CARVER, BUT ALSO SOME SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, UM, UH, LIKE, UH, THE AMBASSADORS, WHICH IS A LONG TIME SUPPORT GROUP FOR THE CARVER AND A NEWER SUPPORT GROUP MADE UP OF ACADEMICS, UH, CALLED, UM, THE CARVER TASK FORCE.

UH, AND SO THAT HELPED.

AND BY BREAK, HAVING A LOT OF MEETINGS THAT WERE SMALL, UM, PEOPLE FELT, UH, THE INTIMACY, WE STAGED A, UM, UH, FOCUS GROUP THAT INCREASED INTIMACY.

SO THE MOMENT THEY CAME TO ROOM, UH, WE ADDRESS THEM BY NAME AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THEM AND THEIR KIDS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

AND HOW ARE THEY DOING, UH, TO CREATE THAT CONNECTION? UM, WE WORKED REALLY HARD AT IT AND I THINK IT PAID OFF.

I HAVE, SORRY.

I'M LIKE TOTALLY SIDETRACKING MESS, I FEEL, BUT HAVE YOU, UM, GOT LIKE, UH, ENGAGEMENT, BEST PRACTICES AND LICENSED LAND LIKES TOOLS AND METHODS THAT YOU SHARE OUT, LIKE A RESOURCE THAT DESIGNERS CAN, UM, BORROW FROM? I DID WRITE AN ARTICLE, UM, BASED ON THIS EXPERIENCE FOR THE IMAGINE AUSTIN, UH, THIS LETTER, AND, UH, I CAN SHARE THAT ARTICLE WITH YOU.

UM, I, I THINK IT WAS THIS PROJECT WE'RE INVOLVED IN LA I'M INVOLVED IN LOTS OF CIP PROJECTS AS A RESULT OF THE 2018 BOND.

UH, AND WE'VE HAD TO DO IT ALL VIRTUALLY.

YEAH.

UM, BUT SO THERE WERE MANY LESSONS LEARNED, UH, IN THIS, UM, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO REHEARSE.

IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE KNOW THEIR ROLES.

UM, IT WAS IMPORTANT, UM, TO KEEP IT MOVING AND KEEP IT INTERESTING, VARYING THE TYPES OF PRESENTATIONS THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T GET BORED.

UM, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO CALL ON PEOPLE BY NAME.

WE DIDN'T FIND BREAKOUT BOOKS, HELPFUL.

UM, PEOPLE WERE MORE, UM, INCLINED TO SHARE IN A LARGER GROUP THAN IN A BREAKOUT GROUP.

GOTCHA.

COOL.

I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS A BIT OF A SIDETRACK, SO I MIGHT REACH OUT TO YOU SEPARATELY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RAWLINSON.

UH, I WILL SAY, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE MOVE TO SORT OF TAKE THAT CORNER AT ROSEWOOD AND ANGELINA AND GIVE IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE.

NO, THAT CURRENT PARKING LOT, I JUST THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY GO THERE A LOT.

I LIVE REALLY CLOSE BY AND, UM, I JUST NEVER LIKED THAT PARKING LOT IN THAT LOCATION.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE FOR BRINGING THAT PUBLIC PLAZA TO THAT PROMINENT CORNER.

UM, I WILL SAY I, I DO SHARE SOME COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY.

SO, UH, ESPECIALLY FROM THE GARAGE, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY CRITICAL PIECE OF THIS IS THE GARAGE.

UH, DO YOU KNOW CURRENTLY ABOUT HOW MANY SPACES YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN THAT GARAGE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 300 IS WHAT WE'VE, UM, TALKED ABOUT TODAY.

OF COURSE, THAT COULD GO UP OR DOWN CONSIDERING ON THE FINAL DESIGN THAT SHE'S BUILT.

UM, YEAH, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I COULD SEE IT, UH, BEING FULL TOO, IF YOU HAVE BIG EVENTS UP THERE.

AND I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT, UM, ADDING SOME RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE THERE.

UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, AND PROVIDE EVEN MORE, UH, REASON FOR STRONG CONNECTIVITY,

[00:45:01]

UH, TO THE REST OF THOSE AREAS.

UM, YEAH, THAT WAS A GREAT COMMENT.

YEAH.

WHY DID WE THINK OF THAT? UM, AND YEAH, AND ESPECIALLY THE SORT OF BACK OF HOUSE AREA THERE, I THINK COMMISSIONER COLEMAN KIND OF ALLUDED TO, IT SEEMS TO SORT OF CUT OFF THE GARAGE FROM THE REST OF THE SPACE AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S THERE.

UM, BUT I THINK SOME OF THOSE MOVES COULD HELP, UH, ADDRESS THAT.

UM, EH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IT'S MORE OF IT'S THE CONCERN IS THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF TURNING THIS EXPANSION AND TURNING THIS EVEN TO A GREATER FACILITY.

BUT PART OF IT, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE STARTS TO CONCERN ME, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE NO MAJOR ROADS IN THIS AREA.

I MEAN, ALL ROSEWOOD CHECON, I MEAN, ALL THESE ROADS ARE SINGLE LANE EACH DIRECTION, UM, AND JUST THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC SLOW IN THESE AREAS AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SCHOOL.

UM, SO I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S NO, UM, LIGHT RAIL STOP NEAR HERE, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT, UM, I JUST, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY IF A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DRIVING DOWN ROSEWOOD AND 11TH STREET, UM, IT'S, IT ALREADY SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THESE DAYS.

UH, SO ANYWAY, JUST SOME THOUGHTS TO THINK ABOUT.

SO CHAIR, I HAVE TWO FINAL REMARKS.

OKAY.

FIRST OF ALL, I'M PRETTY MUCH INVOLVED WITH THE HOUSTON TILLOTSON UNIVERSITY.

IT'S NOT THAT FAR AWAY.

WE HAVE A PARKING LOT THERE WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A WAY THAT WE COULD THINK ABOUT SHARING SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS THERE.

BUT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER ROBESON IN LAURA'S DISCUSSION.

SHE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

LAURA HAS DONE A GREAT JOB BREAKING, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITIES TOGETHER, BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY WORKED ON THAT GO VIA, I W I WAS ACTUALLY A PRIVATE CONSULTANT ON THE GOODBYE, A SWIMMING POOL.

AND THAT WAS LIKE THREE YEARS AGO.

AND SHE DID SUCH A GOOD JOB BRINGING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CONSULTANTS TOGETHER, THE CITY TOGETHER.

OF COURSE, WE DIDN'T REALLY GET EVERYTHING DONE ON TIME, LIKE THEY WANTED TO, BUT SHE IS JUST A REALLY GREAT ASSET FOR THE CITY.

THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS SOMEBODY WHO CAN BRING THOSE COMMUNITIES TOGETHER.

SO THANK YOU, LAURA.

TANIGUCHI DID ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS GOING ONCE GOING TWICE? WELL, I'LL MAKE A, I'LL MAKE A MOTION IF WE NEED TO, IF WE NEED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND THIS PROJECT OR WHATEVER THE NEXT STEP IS, UM, MAKE THAT MOTION THEN LIKE THE TEXT.

NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT POSTED FOR ANY ACTION TONIGHT.

IT WAS JUST A, JUST A BRIEFING ME TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A FANTASTIC PROJECT AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT AT GREAT PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS.

APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL MOVE

[2.a. Approval of the March 22nd meeting minutes.]

ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS ITEM TWO, A APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 22ND MEETING.

MINUTES APPROVAL.

10 OF GUCCI'S OR SECONDS.

I'LL SECOND IT.

OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

WE'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE.

COMMISSIONER, TAN, A GUCCI.

IF SOMEONE HAS A VICE CHAIR IN OUR BLADER COMMISSIONER.

AYE, AYE, AYE.

FISHER RAWLINSON CUSHION.

MINERS.

YES.

FOR COLEMAN.

YES.

AND I AM A S THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

[00:50:02]

THANK YOU.

UH, WE'LL GO TO ITEM TWO B ATTENDANCE REPORTS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.

UH, I THINK THIS WAS, IS THIS YOUR ITEM, ERIN? YOU THERE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU WOULDN'T HEAR FROM AARON OR JORGE.

OH, VERIFY ME.

YES, PLEASE GO.

I CAN COME BACK TO THE SIGN AND WHEN YOU AREN'T ABLE TO RECONNECT.

OKAY.

WE'LL GO

[2.c. Officer Elections: Chair & Vice Chair]

TO ITEM TWO C OFFICER ELECTIONS, CHAIR, AND VICE CHAIR.

I DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANYONE WITH ANY INTEREST, SO NO ONE HAS ANY INTEREST OF THAT, THAT LAUGH.

UH, YOU DIDN'T HEAR HIM ANYONE, CAUSE THAT WAS STRONG.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU DISCUSS ABOUT, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE BALLOT IS RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, I FORGOT, UH IT'S WE NEED TO ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR CURRENTLY.

IT'S FAIR.

AND, UM, UH, THE VICE CHAIR IN OUR BLADE, I WAS VICE CHAIR.

WE, UH, BOTH, I BELIEVE AGREED TO CONTINUE IF NO ONE ELSE HAS INTEREST, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, I'LL MOVE THAT ON SECOND.

SO I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY.

WE GOT A GOOD GAME GOING BROKE.

DON'T FIX IT ALL IN FAVOR.

OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT TO TERRIFY ME? JUST TO CLARIFY, CAN WE ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THE MOTION FOR THE RECORD? OH YEAH.

CAN WE DO BOTH AT ONCE? SO WE NEEDED TO DO SEPARATE ONES.

YOU CAN DO BOTH AT ONCE CHAIRS.

WE WILL NEED NOMINATIONS FOR BOTH CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

IF I MAY CHAIR.

YES, PLEASE.

YES.

I MOVED TO NOMINATE.

YOU CAN CHAIR CAROL AND VICE CHAIR, MELISSA REPLY THOUGH.

AS FAR AS CHAIR FOR THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE.

I SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH.

I'D LIKE SOME DISCUSSION HERE.

THEY'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND SO HAS COMMISSIONER WATLEY.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TERM THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BEST WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN LEARN OR GET, GET SITUATED IS THAT WE GROOM THEM.

IF THEY'RE READY TO BE A CHAIRS, WAIT, WE KIND OF MOVE THIS THING.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN THE CHAIR? I RESPECT YOUR, I RESPECT YOUR DEDICATION AND ALL, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I APPRECIATE THAT EVAN.

UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT, UM, TO YOUR POINT, UM, UM, UH, AS I SAID, WILLING TO, TO BE CHAIR AGAIN, BUT, UM, I'VE ONLY GOT TWO YEARS LEFT BEFORE I TIED THEM OUT.

AND SO I DEFINITELY THINK IF I DO IT THIS YEAR, SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD DO IT NEXT YEAR.

WHY? SO I'M STILL AROUND AND THEN CAN HELP THEM.

OTHERWISE WE JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE INCLUDING MYSELF, AND I BELIEVE YOU, THAT DROP OFF AND THE NEW PEOPLE WILL BE LEFT PLAYING SO WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF I DROPPED OFF, I'VE BEEN ON HERE FOR LIKE 13 YEARS NOW AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO, I'VE BEEN STAYING ON JUST SO I CAN KIND OF BE THE MENTOR OR WHATEVER IT IS AND THE ALWAYS COMMISSIONER WILDLY.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD KIND OF LIMIT THE CHAIR, CHAIRMAN SHIP OR CHAIRWOMANSHIP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU BECOME IN THAT POSITION, YOU REALLY LEARN A LOT, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, I WAS ENCOURAGING THE, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO KIND OF LOOK AT A LIMIT SO THAT WE CAN BRING SOME OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE ON BOARD AND THEY'VE BEEN AROUND.

AND A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY DEDICATED, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY.

YOU DON'T REALLY LEARN WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT UNTIL YOU, AND YOU CAN ASK A CHAIR BOTLEY TOO, YOU DON'T LEARN A LOT ABOUT THIS TILL YOU'RE ACTUALLY LEADING THESE DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS FEEL KIND OF A, I FEEL KIND OF INTIMIDATED WHEN YOU WANT COMMENTS.

YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS THE ONE THAT HAS TO GO FIRST ABOUT COMMENTING,

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BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 14 YEARS AND YOU KNOW, I'M USED TO IT, BUT I, I LIKE OTHER PEOPLE TO STEP UP TO THAT POSITION AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY SO I CAN KIND OF RETIRE GO OUT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE FIELDS, RIGHT? YEAH.

I WILL SAY, I AM, I WILL NOT BE RUNNING FOR CHAIR.

LET'S JUST MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.

I DON'T HAVE ASPIRATIONS OF MOVING UP THIS LADDER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO I'M GLAD EVAN BROUGHT THAT UP.

YOU KNOW, W WE DO NEED SOME, WE NEED THESE SOME YOUNG LEADERSHIP THOUGH.

YEAH, I AGREE.

RIGHT.

YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I HAVE.

AND WE BOTH SERVED AS CHAIR FOR LIKE THREE TIMES OR LESS OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU DO LEARN A LOT FROM BEING THE CHAIR AND RUNNING THE, RUNNING THE SHOW FOR SURE.

WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY ALONG THOSE LINES, I BELIEVE I'M ON THE SAME SCHEDULE AS YOU, THE CHAIR THAT I CAME OUT IN TWO YEARS AS WELL.

AND I THINK MOST EVERYBODY, EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER ROSLYN AND BINDERS, UM, AT LEAST THAT ARE ON THE MEETING TODAY ON MY SAME SCHEDULE.

I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO START GROOMING SOME NEW YOUNG FACES AND START GETTING FROM THE COMMUNITY TO START TAKING OUR PLACES FOR US.

I THINK.

LISTEN, WOULD YOU AGREE TO BE VICE CHAIR OF, I ASK A CONDITIONER ROLL BY THOUGH, AND THEY ARE ABLATED TO STEP DOWN AS VICE CHAIR.

YES.

IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, MR. PLAY-DOH SO I, AFTER A LONG THOUGHTFUL PROCESS, I I'M WILLING TO, YES.

I'M WILLING TO STEP DOWN, BUT I'D LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION PLEASE.

CHAIR, CAN I JUST QUICKLY DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT FAST? DO THAT? I HAVE TO SAY I AM.

I AM INTIMIDATED BY THE IDEA OF TAKING ON A RESPONSIBILITY THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE CAPACITY FOR, BECAUSE I, I DO SAY YES TO A LOT OF THINGS AND I, I, I REALLY RESPECT THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND TIME AND COMMITMENT THAT OUR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR PUT INTO THIS.

AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I COULD DO THE SAME, BUT I'M WORRIED THAT I WOULDN'T DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I CAN SPEAK TO THIS.

UM, DAVID DOES ALL OUR, YOU KNOW, THE CAFE, OUR HIPPY CHAIR DOES ALL OF THE HEAVY LIFTING.

SO HE WOULD BE A GREAT PERSON TO START TO LEARN UNDER.

AND I, I MEAN, I, I SAY THAT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I UNDERSTAND THAT SAYING YES TO TOO MANY THINGS.

SO THIS WOULD REALLY BE A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO DIP YOUR TOE IN THERE.

AND I TOLD HIM, I WOULD ONLY ACCEPT THE ROLES AS LONG AS HE NEVER MISSED A SINGLE MEETING, BECAUSE THEN JORGE WOULD JUST BE SPEAKING US THROUGH ALL OF THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT AND READING.

BUT YEAH, BUT IT REALLY IS.

IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO BE IN THE LOOP, BUT HE REALLY DOES THE HEAVY LIFTING AS AN ENTRANCE.

UM, AND, AND YOU WILL GET IT, YOU WILL BENEFIT FROM IT GREATLY BECAUSE IN TWO YEARS, WHEN WE ALL GET OUTTA HERE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DROP.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

HAVING TO DO THAT EXPERIENCE.

YEAH.

I KNOW DAVID'S A GREAT MENTOR AND COACH, SO THANK YOU.

AND, AND FOR, FOR CLARITY TO, TO BACK TO, UH, COMMISSURE TANK GUCCI'S POINT, THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO, UH, LIMIT THE CHAIR TO FOUR YEARS, BUT THERE IS, WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE HIT, BUT THERE IS, UM, A, UH, ABILITY WITH A TWO-THIRDS VOTE TO GO PAST THAT.

UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE HITTING.

THAT'S WHERE OUR CURRENT BYLAWS SAY.

SO, UM, JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY.

SO EVERYONE KNOWS.

UM, SO I SECOND THE MOTION AND, UH, COLEMAN COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.

YOU HAVE TO WAIT A MINUTE.

CAUSE I WITHDREW MY MOTION.

I HAVE TO MAKE A NEW MOTION.

IS THAT, IS EVERYBODY CAUGHT UP TODAY? I HAVE SOME DISCRETION HERE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE LEADERSHIP, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE LEADERSHIP OR BEING THE CHAIR IS IMPORTANT.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU LEARN WHEN THE CHAIR AND AS YOU LEARN WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND YOU LEARN WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY, AND YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO COMMENT TO THE APPLICANTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

THAT IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF OUR MEMBERS REALLY GET KIND OF GLUED INTO THAT.

AND THE MORE VOCAL YOU ARE WHEN WE HAVE THESE, WHEN WE HAVE THESE HEARINGS, THESE

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APPLICANTS COME BEFORE US, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU REALLY LEARN A LOT.

AND I HAVE STILL, HAVEN'T HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER WALLY, BUT WE WERE HIM AND I WERE KIND OF THE YOUNG BUTTS ON THE TEAM WHEN WE HAD A BUNCH OF REALLY OLD GUYS WHEN WE STARTED OUT AND THEY WOULD CARRY ON AND ON ABOUT STUFF.

AND I THINK WE'VE GONE, WE'VE GONE A LONG WAYS.

UH, WE BECOME A LOT MORE PROGRESSIVE AND WE KIND OF SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE RATHER THAN KIND OF THIS OLD PHILLIP PHILOSOPHICAL THING.

YOU REMEMBER BART THAT, I MEAN, ONE, ONE HEAD AND THOSE GUYS, AND THEN THEY JUST CARRY ON AND ON ABOUT THE PILLARS AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT WERE LIKE ANTIQUATED.

SO THAT'S ALL I JUST WANTED TO SAY.

YEAH, I'LL, I'LL ADD THAT.

YEAH.

YEARS AND YEARS AGO WE DID CHANGE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR, WE ROTATED QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW, GAVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY YOUNG AND OLD, BUT THEY WERE NEW TO THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS GOOD.

UH, SO, UH, URGE PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, OR USE HER HAND AND JUMP UP AND VOLUNTEER TO BE INVOLVED.

IS THAT KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF THE WAY WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS LOT LOVED THE ROTATION.

ALTHOUGH A CHAIR CAROL'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.

SO I WOULD NOT BE DISAPPOINTED AT CM SERVE SOME MORE, BUT THAT'S, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF SHORT TERMS. I THINK TWO YEARS AT MOST, SOMETIMES IN THE PAST IT WAS PRETTY QUICK, YOU KNOW, CHANGE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE WE HAVE A, A CHAIR IN A WAITING NOW, SO MY MOTION.

OKAY.

UH, LET'S SEE.

YEAH.

YOU WANT TO MAKE A NEW MOTION.

I'M MOVED TO NOMINATE CHAIR, DAVID CARROLL AS CHAIR FOR NEXT TERM.

AND I NOMINATE COMMISSIONER ROLSON AS VICE CHAIR FOR THE NEXT TERM.

OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? WHERE WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT.

I'LL GO DOWN THE LIST.

UH, COMMISSIONER RICHIE, UH, VICE CHAIR IN OUR BETA FOR SURE.

FRANCO MR. LUCAS.

HI, MR. WALLACE.

I ARE ROCK, UH, KRISHA ROLLISON.

HI, I SHOULD REMINDERS.

YES.

FOR SURE.

COLEMAN.

YES.

YES, SURE.

CURL FOR ME.

UH, COMMISSIONER GONZALES, THE PHONE.

OH, I DON'T SEE HER ANYMORE.

CAN WE HEAR OKAY.

WE COULDN'T GET HER AS THE PANEL.

SO SHE'S BEEN, UH, UM, ATTENDED, I THINK HER HERSELF.

SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU.

I DON'T THINK SHE CAN, BUT SHE'S TYPING TO ME.

TELL THEM I VOTE.

YES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, WE CAN COUNTER OR NOT, EVEN IF WE CAN'T SEE, SEE OR HEAR HER.

UM, BUT IF, IF A CITY HALLS LISTENING, IF THEY CAN GET HER ADDED TO THIS MEETING, PLEASE, DID THEY MEET HER VOTE? NO, THEN THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

BUT IF SHE WANTS TO