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CONNECT THE TEAMS AND WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES HERE.I COULD HEAR, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU RUSH? WELCOME TO THE AUDIO CONFERENCING CENTER, PLEASE ENTER A CONFERENCE ID FOLLOWED BY POUND.
TO CONTINUE IN ENGLISH, PRESS ONE, PLEASE.
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SORRY, I CAN'T FIND A MEETING WITH THAT NUMBER.
TRY ENTERING YOUR CONFERENCE ID AGAIN AND THEN PRESS POUND.
SORRY, I CAN'T FIND A MEETING WITH THAT NUMBER.
TRY ENTERING YOUR CONFERENCE ID AGAIN AND THEN PRESS POUND.
OKAY, SO, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE, UH, NOT SURE WHY IT'S NOT LETTING US CONNECT, UH, BUT GIVE US ANOTHER TWO MINUTES HERE AND I THINK WE'LL BE GOOD.
WELCOME TO THE AUDIO CONFERENCING CENTER.
PLEASE ENTER A CONFERENCE ID FOLLOWED BY POUND.
SORRY, I CAN'T FIND A MEETING WITH THAT NUMBER.
TRY ENTERING YOUR CONFERENCE ID AGAIN AND THEN PRESS POUND.
WELCOME TO THE AUDIO CONFERENCING CENTER.
PLEASE ENTER A CONFERENCE ID FOLLOWED BY POUND.
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OKAY.IF YOU'RE THE MEETING ORGANIZER, PRESS STAR NOW YOU ARE NOW JOINING THE MEETING.
PLEASE WAIT FOR THE LEADER TO ADMIT YOU TO THE MEETING.
YOU'VE BEEN MUTED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, PRESS STAR SIX.
COULD WE GET THE CHAIR TO DO OKAY.
YOU MIGHT CHECK WITH, UM, WENDY.
UH, HI WENDY, ARE YOU THERE? GOOD EVENING CHAIR.
ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO KEEP TAKING THE ROLE.
UM, WE WERE AT COMMISSIONER KING HERE, COMMISSIONER.
MR. SMITH'S HERE MR. THOMPSON HERE AND THEN COMMISSIONER WOODY.
UM, SO FOR ANY PARTICIPANTS THAT ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE REMEMBER TO SELECT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
UM, IF YOUR ITEM IS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REMAIN ON THE LINE.
YOU CAN RECEIVE AN EMAIL WE'RE ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM TAKING UP THE ITEM.
SO FIRST WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW
[Consent Agenda]
THE AGENDA AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.[A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, UM, CHANGES THEY'D LIKE TO SEE TO THE MINUTES FROM LAST TIME? OKAY.
I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO B UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO WE HAVE B ONE IS C 14, 2020 ZERO ONE 46 AT 11 SEVEN OH FIVE RESEARCH BOULEVARD.
ZONING APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 15TH, UH, B TO A C 14 2021 ZERO ZERO FIVE SIX 1609 MATTHEWS LANE REZONING.
AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT ITEM B3, UH, C 14 2021 ZERO ZERO SIX ZERO ALBERT ROAD, RED ZONE.
THAT'S CAN ON CONSENT BEFORE C 14 2019 ZERO ZERO FIVE NINE S H 71 AND FM NINE 73 IS CONSENT B FIVE C 14 2021 ZERO ZERO FIVE FOUR 11 700 NORTH
THAT'S A UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TIL JUNE 15TH.
B6 IS C 14 2021 ZERO ZERO THREE TO SHELTON ROAD.
AND THAT'S, UH, STAFF IS REQUESTING A POSTPONEMENT UNTIL JUNE 15TH.
UH, NEIGHBORHOOD IS REQUESTING POSTPONEMENT UNTIL JULY 6TH, B EIGHT IS C H J 2019 ZERO ONE THREE EIGHT.
THE SCHWARZMAN TRACK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
BENIGN IS S P 2019 ZERO ONE FOUR ONE C HOWARD PLAZA.
APPLICANT IS REQUESTING POSTPONEMENT TILL JULY SIX AND B 10 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, AUSTRIA, AUSTIN WATER, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE IS ALSO UP FOR CONSENT.
SO DO WE HAVE, UM, TWO WOMEN, SORRY.
I'D LIKE TO PULL BEATEN FOR DISCUSSION.
SO THEN I'M THINK THE CONSENT AGENDA IS THEN THE MINUTES B ONE B3 THROUGH BEING NINE, CORRECT.
AND THAT WOULD CONCLUDE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY OR A MOTION? IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE TO SPEAK IN THE AUDIENCE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE CHAIR.
KOBASA ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT LOOKS UNANIMOUS.
[B2. Rezoning: C14-2021-0056 - 1609 Matthews Lane Rezoning; District 5]
MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM B TWO GOOD EVENING CHAIR.THIS IS WENDY ROSE WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS CASE IS LOCATED AT 1609 MATTHEWS LANE.
IT IS ZONED FRONT ON MATTHEW'S LANE HAS TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, A COUPLE OF OUTBUILDINGS AND IS ZONED SF TWO.
UH, THERE IS A CHURCH AND DUPLEX RESIDENTIAL ACROSS MATTHEW'S LANE TO THE NORTH, A CONVENIENT STORAGE FACILITY AND SINGLE FAMILY
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RESIDENCES TO THE EAST CONVENIENT STORAGE ALSO TO THE SOUTH AND THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY.AND DUPLEXES FRONTING MATTHEWS BLAINE TO THE WEST.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO MULTIFAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY.
THAT'S THE MF THREE DENSITY DISTRICT SO THAT IT DEVELOPED WITH UP TO 12 RESIDENCES AND IS CONTEMPLATING A SITE LAYOUT THAT INCLUDES DETACHED STANDALONE UNITS.
UH, THE APPLICANT REPORTS THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL PROTECTED TREES OF WHICH THREE ARE HERITAGE SIZE AND ALL THOSE HERITAGE TREES WILL BE PRESERVED ON THE PROPERTY.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION DIFFERS FROM THE APPLICANT, THE APP, THE STAFF IS ONLY RECOMMENDING MF TWO HERE THAT IS, UH, ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF UP TO 23 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 40 FEET OR THREE STORIES.
UM, THAT IS THERE, THERE IS A 44 HEIGHT LIMIT FOR THE
THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING MF TWO CONSISTENT WITH RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND WEST AND CAN AND ADJACENCY TO THE COMMERCIAL USES TO THE EASTERN SOUTH.
UH, THE STAFF BELIEVES THAT MF TWO ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT DUPLEX, DUPLEX, RESIDENTIAL USES AND STILL PROMOTE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO A RAILROAD, UH, AND HOWEVER, THERE THE PROPERTY DOES Y ON MATTHEWS LANE, WHICH IS A TWO LANE ROADWAY.
AND UNDER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION UP TO 13 UNITS COULD BE ACHIEVED ON THIS, UH, 0.604 ACRE PROPERTY.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH NEIGHBORS WITH TULANE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND BOTH ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING.
AND SO NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE IN FAVOR.
IT'S LIKE WE JUST HAVE THE APPLICANT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK OF VICTORIA OR RON.
ARE YOU ON THE LINE? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS VICTORIA WITH, UH, VICTORIA HOSTI WITH RIVER DESIGN ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO GIVE YOU AN ORIENTATION OF THE AREA.
THE SUBJECT TRACKS IS IN BLUE AND THE IMAGE, THE FIRST SLIDE OF THE PRESENTATION.
UM, IT IS SOUTH OF THE IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CORRIDOR.
THAT'S WILLIAM CANNON, AND IT'S ABOUT A HALF MILE BY WALKING PATHS TO THE INTERSECTION OF WILLIAM CANNON AND MANCHESTER ROAD.
UM, I'M SORRY, ACTUALLY, THAT'S UH, NO, THAT'S TRUE.
THAT'S THE AREA YOU SEE, UH, SHADED IN YELLOW AND IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WHICH YOU SEE IN PURPLE.
THIS AREA OFFERS QUITE A BIT TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
THROUGH THE VARIOUS SERVICES SEEN HERE, THE RED DOTS REPRESENT CAPITAL METRO BUS STOPS, AND THE YELLOW LINES ARE PRESENT ABOUT QUARTER MILE SEGMENTS.
IT'S A GREAT LOCATION FOR THE REQUESTED DENSITY.
IT WILL PUT MORE PEOPLE IN PROXIMITY TO SERVICES THAT ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, INCLUDING A GROCERY STORE AND MATTHEWS MATTHEWS LANE IS A COLLECTOR STREET WITH QUICK AND EASY ACCESS TO ARTERIAL STREETS WITH TRANSIT.
THE FIGHT HAS ALSO DIRECT ACCESS TO A DESIGNATED BIKE ROUTE OF WHICH I HAVE TRAVELED SEVERAL TIMES TO GET DOWNTOWN.
THE SUBJECT TRACK IS DONE SF TO, UM, TODAY, WHICH IS ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING YOUTH.
UM, HE HAS
THE CURRENT ACTUAL LAND USE IS IN THE IMAGE BEFORE YOU, UM, DOESN'T ALWAYS MATCH WHAT THE EXISTING ZONING IS.
THE SITE IS OUTLINED IN BLUE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE
THAT'S ALSO ACROSS, UH, FROM MATTHEWS LANE.
UM, IT'S ALSO CROSS CIVICS, CROSS NAPPIES LINK FROM CIVICS AND IS NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND GREEN AND OPEN SPACE AND DUPLEX RESIDENTIAL USES THAT HAVE MULTI-FAMILIES ZONING TO THE WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
SO THE VOLUME OF BIRDS IDEA LOOKING SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS AN ORANGE.
THE STORAGE FACILITY TO THE EAST IS, IS THE RED COMMERCIAL AREA.
THE WAREHOUSE STORAGE AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS ARE TO THE SOUTH, WHICH ARE MARKED IN PURPLE.
AND THEN THERE'S THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO THE WEST, WHICH IS ALSO PURPLE CONSIDERED AN INDUSTRIAL USE AS WELL.
NEXT LINE TODAY, THE SUBJECT TRACKS IS A MIX BETWEEN A MULTIFAMILY YEARS WITH MS. FIVE DENSITY.
LIKE THERE IS A SITE, UM, SINCE THE SIZE OF A SINGLE LOT WITH THREE DWELLING UNITS.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS SFC, WHICH ALLOWS FOR ONE DWELLING UNIT AND MAKING THE YOUTH LEGAL,
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BUT NOT COMPLETE, NOT CONFORMING TO ZONING.SHE HAD THE DWELLING UNITS HAVE EXISTED ON THE SITE SINCE ABOUT THE 1950S.
AND THEN THERE WAS A THIRD CONSTRUCTED IN THE EARLY 2000.
THE FOLLOWING IS THE FOLLOWING SLIDES ARE A SERIES OF IMAGES OF WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.
UM, THIS IS THE STORAGE FACILITY, UM, MARKED IN RED.
THE YELLOW.YOU SEE IN THE IMAGE UP IN THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS ROUGHLY WHERE THE PICTURE WAS TAKEN.
AND THEN RAILROAD TRACK, WHICH IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT INTO THE WEST OF THE SITE.
AGAIN, MARKED BY THE YELLOW.YOU SEE IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER.
THIS IS A POLICY COMMUNICATIONS TOWER, WHICH IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE, BUT TO THIS DAY, SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT TRACK, NEXT SLIDE.
AND THIS IS THE VIEW OF MATTHEW'S LANE LOOKING NORTH, UM, THE WOODED PRIVACY SENSE THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE PICTURE IS THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE SUBJECT TRACK.
NEXT SLIDE THAT SEPARATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS FROM THE DUPLEX STRUCTURE IS SEEN JUST BEYOND THE IMAGE TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE NEXT TIME, AND THEN WAREHOUSE STORAGE USE THAT'S IMMEDIATELY SOUTH, UM, THAT SHARES A PROPERTY LINE WITH A SUBJECT TRACK.
AND THIS IS TAKEN AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS, LOOKING EAST ON MATTHEWS LANE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS TO THE RIGHT WITH A LIGHT ORANGE PAGE, BEIGE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
THERE'S YOU CAN SEE THE DETACHED GARAGE THAT'S WHITE.
AND THEN THE TWO STORY, ONE OF THE TWO STORY OR A TWO STORY APARTMENT IN THE BACK, THE THIRD UNITS ACTUALLY NOT VISIBLE FROM THIS IMAGE, THE STORAGE FACILITY IS NEXT IS THE NEXT BLOCK OVER PARTIALLY HIDDEN BEHIND THE TREES THAT ARE ALONG THE LOT LINE.
AND THEN THIS IS MATTHEW'S LAME LOOKING WEST TOWARDS MEN.
CHECK THE OPEN SPACE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PICTURE IS OWNED BY THE CHURCH AND INCLUDES THEIR COMMUNITY GARDEN OF WHICH HIS COAT IS A COMBINATION OF SFX AND COMMERCIAL ZONING ON THAT TRACK.
AND THEN THE SUBJECT TRACK IS LOCATED JUST TO THE LEFT, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE PICTURE FRAME HERE.
SO THE REQUEST, THE FLEX, WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT AT 12 UNITS ON JUST OVER A HALF ACRE OF LAND, AND THAT'S 12 UNITS WITH EACH UNIT BEING AT LEAST TWO BEDROOMS, THE TABLE, THIS TABLE IS ACCUMULATION OF WHAT IS SO AND WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED ALONG THE SPECTRUM OF THE CITY'S DONING DISTRICT HIERARCHY OF INTENSITY.
THE SUBJECT TRACT IS DONE TO SFU, WHICH ALLOWS ONLY ONE DWELLING UNIT THAT HAS DEVELOPMENT OF SF FIVE LEVEL DENSITY WITH THREE UNITS ON A SINGLE LOT.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS FOR 12 UNITS, WHICH IS ACCOMPLISHED BY THE
ACCORDING SITE AREA CALCULATIONS THAT REQUIRE AT LEAST 1800 SQUARE FEET PER TWO VETERAN UNIT.
THE SUBJECT TRACKS IS ADJACENT TO SDSU ON AN SF TWO ZONE LOT AND AN INDUSTRIAL USE ON A DR.
SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES COMPATIBILITY SETBACKS WHEN ADJACENT PROPERTIES HAVING TO, UH, HAVING LOW TO MODERATE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING ARE USED.
AND BECAUSE THE BASE ZONING IS SF TWO FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES OF THE PROPERTIES, NEXT DOOR COMPATIBILITY SET BACK TO WE'LL APPLY THE EXISTING SCENARIO WARRANTS, ACTUALLY A CONSIDERATION OF A BLA VARIANCE TO COMPATIBILITY AND TEACHER WITH COMPATIBILITY, APPLYING AND DEVELOPMENT OF ANY STRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY STRUCTURE CAN ONLY OCCUR IN THE GREEN AND BLUE SHADED AREAS.
AND THE IMAGE THAT YOU SEE, NO DEVELOPMENT CAN OCCUR IN THE YELLOW AREA THAT ABUTS THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES, WHICH IS NOT HOW IT'S, HOW COMPATIBILITY IS INTENDED TO FUNCTION.
SO THIS IMAGE SHOWS YOU IF IT'S THE COMPATIBILITY SCENARIO, THE YELLOW, NO BILLS BUFFER SHOULD BE A DECENT TO YELLOW SHADED PROPERTY.
THAT IS NOT THE CASE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
IN SUMMARY, WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR A SMALL INFILL PROJECT THAT NEEDS MS. THREE ZONING TO ALLOW FOR 12 TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
ON 0.4 ACRES INCREASED DENSITY WILL CONTRIBUTE TO MUCH NEEDED HOUSING BACK IN THE CITY AND HOUSING VARIETY AND DENSITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE REQUESTED DENSITY WHILE NOT EXACT TO WHAT'S EXISTING IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DENSITY AND USES.
AND THE ABSENCE OF SOMETHING SOMETIMES INDICATES THE NEED.
THE REQUEST IS REQUESTED FOR LAND THAT IS NOT ADJACENT OR DIRECTLY IMPACTING ANY EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
AND IF SMALL INFILL DEVELOPMENT, CAN'T GO HERE ON THE EDGE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, WHERE COULD IT GO? SO WITH THAT, UH, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND WE REMAIN AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, MR. THROW, OR YOU'RE ALSO ON HERE.
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LET'S SEE.DO YOU, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK AS WELL? UH, YES, I DID COMMISSIONERS, UH, RON FRY WE'RE HERE.
I JUST WANTED TO OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT MF TWO VERSUS MF THREE A WHILE.
UM, WENDY RHODES HAD MENTIONED THAT MF TWO DOES ALLOW 17 UNITS PER ACRE.
I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT 17 UNITS PER ACRE IS ALL EFFICIENCIES, WHICH IS NOT THE PLAN AT ALL HERE.
AND THE PLAN IS TO PUT IN FAMILY HOUSING WITH TWO BEDROOM UNITS MINIMUM AND UNDER MFTA ZONING.
THE MAXIMUM THAT COULD BE, UH, OBTAINED ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE 10 UNITS.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR MS. REZONING FOR THE POSSIBILITY TO PUT IN 12, PERHAPS A FEW MORE UNITS, IF WE CAN FIT THEM IN THERE.
AND, UH, I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THOSE OPPOSED AND I HAVE MR. EUGENE SUTTON FIRST, DEAR MR. SUTTON, IF SO, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX.
ANDREW, ARE YOU THERE? DO YOU KNOW IF MR. SUTTON IS ON THE LINE SHARE COMMISSION LIAISON ED FOR, I DO SEEM AS, OR SOMETHING ON OUR TELECONFERENCE, MR. SUTTON, IF YOU'LL SELECT STAR SIX, IF THAT DOES NOT WORK, IF YOU'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND CALL BACK IN EUGENE, I REPRESENT MATTHEWS LANE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
OUR OUTREACH COMMITTEE MET WITH MS. HOSSAM MAY 21ST, AND SHE PRESENTED A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
OUR OUTREACH GROUP SIX, IT COULD SIX ARE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, LIMITING DENSITY TO SIX FEET, SINGLE FAMILY AND OR DUPLEX UNITS, MAXIMUM OF TWO STORIES AND A SIDEWALK ALONG MATTHEWS LANE ASSOCIATION BOUNDARY BEGINS AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND FOLLOWS ALONG MATTHEWS LANE TO COOPER.
AND THEN THE DITMAR ROAD DUPLEXES EXIST TO THE WEST AND NORTH OF 1609 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES PREVAIL BEYOND THIS POINT, ACCEPTING FOR COOPER LANE, CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENTS AND SOUTH TONES, CONSTRUCTION, BORDERING, DAMON AND SHERWOOD.
THERE'S 232 UNIT CONDOMINIUM TRACK EXTENDS ALONG THE TRACKS TO DE MAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTS OF MULTI, MULTIPLE SINGLE FAMILY.
TWO BIGGEST ARE 15 PLUS AND MULTIPLE PROPERTIES ARE LISTED FOR SALE NUMBERING SIX.
YOUR DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES MATTHEWS PARKS PARK NINE HOMES ON TWO PLUS ACRES AND 1103 MATTHEWS LANE, FOUR HOMES ON TWO PLUS ACRES, REZONING REQUESTED 1105 MATTHEWS LANE HAD AN INITIAL UNIT NUMBER OF 10 ON ONE ACRE WITH A TOTAL ACRES OF 2.5 WITH A FLOOD PAINT PLAIN ON 1.5, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS REQUESTED FOR SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
AND THAT CASE IS CURRENTLY POSTPONED.
A VALID PETITION IS BEING SOUGHT FOR 1,609.
MATTHEWS PETITIONERS DO NOT FEAR DEVELOPMENT, BUT DO HAVE CONCERNS AS TO THE DENSITY AND HEIGHT RESIDENTS ON ALBERT LANE, JUST BEYOND THE 200 FOOT PERIMETER ARE EQUALLY CONCERNED WITH HEIGHT THERE'S RECOGNITION THAT INCREASED DENSITY IS FUTURE FOCUS.
HOWEVER, THIS DEVELOPMENT OF 12 UNITS IS MORE CONSISTENT ALONG THE MORE TRADITIONAL TRAFFIC CORRIDOR.
MATTHEW, HIS LANE WAS ALREADY DANGEROUS TO PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLES AND VEHICLES PARKING A DUPLEXES SPILLOVER INTO THE NARROW ROADWAY.
THE ROAD FUNNELS TO 26 FEET AT THE RAILROAD TRACK.
A SIDEWALK DOES EXIST ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.
HOWEVER, CROSSING THE STREET IS AN ADVENTURE TURNING ONTO MATTHEWS FROM WOODVIEW REQUIRES EXTREME CAUTION WITH PARKED CARS AND A HILL BLOCKING ONCOMING VIEWS.
THE SOUTH SIDE OF MATTHEWS EXTENDING UP FROM 1609 TO ALBERT CONSISTS OF A DITCH TO ENGAGE ANY PARKING SPEEDING OF VEHICLES IS A SPEED OF VEHICLES IS A CONSTANT COMMENT FROM RESIDENTS ON MATTHEWS AND WALL ACQUIRING A VALID PETITION FOR 1105 MATTHEWS LANE.
NUMEROUS REMARKS WERE REGARDING THE RACEWAY ONGOING DISCUSSION OF ANY REZONING REQUEST.
ALSO INVOLVES DRAINAGE ISSUES FOR THE AREA IN LARGE RETENTION.
PONDS ARE AT BOTH SOUTH POINTS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOUTH STONE REQUIRES CONSTRUCTING A BRIDGE TO CONNECT PROPERTIES, MATTHEWS PARK, AND 1103 MATTHEWS LAND HAVE SMALLER RETENTION AREAS, PROPERTIES ALONG THE TRACK WEST OF 1609 MATTHEWS FROM A DRAINAGE DITCH AND UPON DRAINAGE COMMENTS ARISE, 1103 MATTHEWS LANE THEN EXTEND DOWN TOWARDS SHERWOOD AND ELM FOREST.
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SITE AS A LOW LYING AREA IN ANY DEVELOPMENT REQUIRED, EXTENSIVE CONSIDERATION AND STUDY TO MITIGATE DRAINAGE ISSUES.ONE FINAL COMMENT ABOUT THE MATTHEWS LANE.
I USED TO BE A FAIRLY FREQUENT BICYCLER AND TO CHRISTMAS EVE TO GO, I WAS RIDING MY BICYCLE ON MATTHEW'S LANE, HEADING TOWARDS MANCHESTER, AND I WAS HIT BY A VEHICLE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UH, THE SAFETY OF THE ROAD, BUT IT, UH, HAS SOME REAL ISSUES.
SO MR. DICKERSON, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? IF SO, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT POSE IN THEIR PLANNING PRINCIPLES, ONE OF THEIR PRINCIPLES WAS THEY OFFERED UP MID STUFF, HOUSES FOR ELLS AND NEEDS AND INCOMES AS WELL AS OFFERING FOR RIDING A TRANSPORTATION OR COUNTER-ARGUMENT IS AS WELL.
HE MISSED TO THE AREA CURRENT AS WELL AS FORECASTED SALES FOR THE AREA ON THESE MULTI-HOUSING UNITS THAT DEMONSTRATED THAT HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT INCREASE THE AFFORDABILITY.
IT ONLY INCREASED LAND COST FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANNERS THAT COMMITMENT TO THE SOUTH BOSTON NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALSO, THERE IS NO BIBLE OR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OPTION WITHIN TWO, 200 YEARS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ITEM BROUGHT UP AT ADVOCATE WITH PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER BY ENSURING CONTENTS SENSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.
THE COUNTER-ARGUMENT IS THE HIGH DENSITY ZONING CHANGES.
IT MAY HAVE THREE AND MF TWOS DO NOT PROTECT THIS UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
THE NEGATIVE IMPACT COMES FROM INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVER AS WELL AS REDUCTION IN CENTRAL.
GREENSCAPE THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT CAN HAVE SOMEWHAT WATER VIOLATE THIS LOCATION, JUST NOT CLOSE TO ANY IMAGINED UP AND DESIGNATED ACTIVITY CENTER, AS SUGGESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
ANOTHER IDEA BROCKPORT WAS PROTESTING OF AUSTIN, NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS BY LIMITING LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION FELDMAN.
INCREASING THE D DENSITY IN PREVIOUS COVER GOES AGAINST ONE OF THE CORE PRINCIPLES OF IMAGINE.
AWESOME FOR TESTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES.
MATTHEW'S NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNIQUE AND IMPORTANT SOUTH AUSTIN JUUL, BUT WHICH IS AN ENVIRONMENT CONSISTS OF ABUNDANCE TREES AND GREEN SPACE.
THIS AREA SERVES AND PROVIDE NATURAL AND ORGANIC GILTS RINK, POCKET CREEK AS WELL.
LISTEN, NECESSARILY DRAIN NICHED, ONION CREEK AND SUMMATION.
AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD STRAPPED TO PROMOTE GREEN SPACE BY PRESERVATION.
AND WE PLANTATION IS NATIVE TREES.
IT'S GREENSCAPE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALLOWS FOR WATER FILTRATION SHOULD REDUCE POLLUTION IN THE SOUTH POCKET CREEK PLATEAU.
IT'S ALSO ALLOWED FLOOD CONTROL BE AT GROUND ABSORPTION OF WATER.
THAT WOULD BE NEGATED BY HIGH-DENSITY AND IMPERVIOUS COVER SUCH AS DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS.
THE MORE CONCRETE YOU HAVE ON THE GROUND, THE MORE BUILDINGS YOU HAVE ON THE GROUND, LESS WHAT GRAIN WATER GETS ABSORBED.
THE MORE FLOODING YOU HAVE, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE SOUTH AUSTIN AREA, THIS AREA IS LIKE A PACING POLE, ALL WATER DRAINS DOWN, AND THEN GOES OUT TO DITMAR, BOGGY CREEK AND EVENTUALLY ONION CREEK.
CAN WE BRING UP THE, UH, POWERPOINT SLIDE SO I CAN GO OVER THERE, PLEASE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THESE REAL QUICKLY, I GUESS NOT, BUT I WANT US TO SHOW WHAT THE SLUDGE, OH, I'M SORRY.
IT'S I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT I, I SEE A MAP WITH A CIRCLE AND A RED ARROW POINTING TO THE LOCATION.
THAT'S WHERE THE RAILROAD CROSSING TRACK IS.
SKIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UH, YOU SEE A PICTURE, UH, MATTHEWS ROW GOING UP AND GOING DOWN.
WHAT YOU CANNOT SEE CLEARLY IS THAT GOES INTO A DITCH.
I PLEASE, THAT ASHLEY HAS A 20 DEGREE, 15 DEGREES SLOPE ON THE UPPER SIDE AND ON THE LOWER SIDE.
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NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.AND WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY ALSO SLIPS DOWN FOR MASTERS LAND, WHERE THE RAILROAD CROSSING IS, AND THAT SMALL DITCH COLLECTS ALL THE WATER AND IT WILL COME UP, LET THE CROSSING ZONE ISSUE.
IF IT'S NOT CORRECTED MISLED, PLEASE BEHIND THE RAILROAD TRACKS IT, SEE THE STRAIN IT'S PACKED.
THAT'S ALL THE TRAINEES THREE IS SO AS THE WATER COMES DOWN FOR THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDE OF THE STREET, THAT'S GOING TO COLLECT ALONG THIS RAILROAD TRACK.
THIS IS JUST A REMINDER THAT FLOODING THAT OCCURRED IN 2001, 2013 AND 2015, IT ALL STARTED ON BEN.
WHY STARTED DOING THE BAR SOUTH BAKI AREA, WENT DOWN TO DOCKET CREEK, THE CREEK AND COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
THERE WAS AS WELL AS 825 DAMAGE RESIDENCE.
SO A WHAT CLOSE BY SENATE ENCOURAGING COUNCIL TO BE CONSCIOUS OF IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE VIEW OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, THIS DOESN'T REPRESENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERISTICS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THIS IS THE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS AS IT ENCROACHES AND APPROACHES TO OTHER AREAS OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASHLEY CLEAR INCREASE ISSUES.
SO NEXT WE HAVE, THE APPLICANT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A REBUTTAL.
SO, UM, YES, COMMISSIONERS VICTORIA HAS AGAIN.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THESE POINTS.
THERE WERE SEVERAL PUT OUT THERE, BUT IT, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU SAID, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONCERNED ABOUT HEIGHT AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO LIMIT, UH, TO PUT A CEO ON THE PROPERTY TO LIMIT HEIGHT TO TWO STORIES.
BUT MY, THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS, IS WHAT IS THE CONCERN FOR THREE STORIES ON THIS PROPERTY WHEN THE PROPERTY IS NOWHERE NEAR AND HE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES OF, OF TWO STORIES OR LESS? UM, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT NO, YOU KNOW, THREE STORIES IS NOT GOING TO BE INTRUSIVE TO ANY EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR, UM, TOUCHING THIS THAT WOULD MAKE THAT AN ISSUE.
BUT, UM, ALSO MATTHEW LANE IS A COLLECTOR.
IT'S NOT A LOCAL RESIDENTIAL STREET.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT MATTHEW'S LANE IS IN NEED OF, UM, GREATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S PORTIONS OF IT THAT ARE STILL DO NOT HAVE CURB AND GUTTER.
AND, UM, I'VE, I'VE TRAVELED MATTHEW'S LANE SEVERAL TIMES.
I ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE AREA AND I'VE WRITTEN MY BREAKDOWN MATTHEWS LANES TO GET TO DOWNTOWN.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR SOME UPGRADES, UM, FOR TRANS TRANSIT OPTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT COMING TO THIS AREA IS ONLY GOING TO HELP THAT TO HAPPEN MORE QUICKLY THAN RELYING ON, UH, THE CITY FUNDING TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES REGARDING THOSE CONCERNS REGARDING DRAINAGE, UM, AND HOW THE SITE DRAINS AND HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL, UH, THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE BE ABLE TO HANDLE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW Y'ALL HEAR THIS QUITE A BIT AND I'LL JUST REITERATE, YOU KNOW, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS TODAY IS HELD TO ATLAS 14 STANDARDS.
AND THAT INCLUDES FOR WATER QUALITY AND DETENTION.
AND SO THE, THE PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE TO THE CITY THAT IT CAN HANDLE ANY ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE THAT THAT COULD COME ABOUT AND, AND IN A WAY THAT THE CITY AUTHORIZES AND IS OKAY WITH AND ABIDE BY THE OUT OF THE 14 REGULATIONS.
UM, ALSO HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WILL PROVIDE UNITS THAT COST LESS, THAT COST LESS.
THEN IF THIS SITE WERE TO REDEVELOP WITH TWO OR EVEN THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, UM, THOSE HOUSES ARE GOING TO COST A LOT MORE PER UNIT THAN THE 12 HOUSES THAT WOULD BE PUT IN HERE.
IF WE CAN GET THE ZONING CHANGE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING SARAH, UM, INCREASED DENSITY, FOUR AREAS, IT DOES PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS BECAUSE IT DIRECTS GROWTH AWAY FROM THE OUTER GREEN AREAS OF AUSTIN.
THAT'S NOT WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING HERE, WE NEED MORE HOUSING.
AND THE ANSWER IS NOT TO SPLIT OUTWARD IT'S TO INCREASE DENSITY IN THE CORE WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, SOME INFRASTRUCTURE I'LL, I'LL BE AT THERE'S A LOT OF IT THAT NEEDS UPGRADING, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SPREAD FURTHER OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
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THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS TO PERFORM ACCORDING TO THE REGULATIONS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS AND, AND WATER DETENTION.SO ALSO DEVELOPMENT WILL BE RECORDED.
UM, OH, I ALREADY SAID THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL BE REQUIRED TO HANDLE ANY ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE THAT IS, UM, AND THAT IS, UM, PRETTY GOOD FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, I THINK YOU'VE READ, THERE'S NOT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EXISTS FOR THIS PROPERTY TODAY FOR DRAINAGE, AND THAT WILL BE IN, IN DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL, AGAIN, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU HAVE RON IS AVAILABLE AND WE ASKED FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
UM, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? ANDREW SAID THAT I WASN'T TALKING LOUD ENOUGH.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM COMMISSIONER DINKLER AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER WOODY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UH, WHO HAS, WHO WANTS TO START MR. KING? THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT AND ALSO FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL IN THIS.
UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THOUGH.
MAYBE TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT UP IN HOW THOSE COULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO, UH, HOW ABOUT SIDEWALKS? WILL THE SIDEWALKS BE PROVIDED AS PART AS DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE FRONTAGE ON THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY HERE, UH, COMMISSIONER KING, THIS THE ROADS.
THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF THERE'S AN OVERSIGHT PLAN.
AND I ASSUME THAT THAT SITE WILL WORK.
WE'LL GO TO THE EXTENT OF THEIR, OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FRONTAGE THEY HAVE THERE, IT WON'T GO BEYOND THAT.
AND AS IT RELATES TO THE, THE RAILROAD CROSSING THERE, IN TERMS OF SIDEWALKS, WILL THAT SIDEWALK, I MEAN, ARE THEY, WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP MAKE THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, CROSS OVER THE RAILROAD OR DOES IT JUST STOP RIGHT THERE AT THEIR PROPERTY LINE? UH, THAT, THAT WOULD QUESTION WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BY AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. ROGER.
I LIVE IN THE ZILKER NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE A RAILROAD TRACK NEARBY HERE, AND I SEE THAT REGULARLY.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT BEFORE THE CITY MADE A REALLY, REALLY SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES TO THE SIDEWALK TO CROSS THAT RAILROAD TRACK, IT WAS AN IMPEDIMENT TO BICYCLE LISTS AND IT WAS DANGEROUS, VERY DANGEROUS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS I UNDERSTAND THIS SITE, THIS PARTICULAR RAILROAD, UH, THEY HAVE A, I THINK, ARE, ARE THEY SET UP TO NOT, NOT BLOW THE HORN UNLESS THEY SEE AN ISSUE OR A PARTICULAR CONCERN OR RIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I MEAN, AND ANY, UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IN ANY SIDEWALK ALONG OR ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS WOULD OF COURSE REQUIRE A COORDINATION WITH THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD.
AND IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THE SIDEWALK, BUT I CAN TELL YOU HERE IN ZILKER, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THAT HAS MADE SUCH A DIFFERENCE.
I JUST GET SO FRIGHTENED WHEN I SEE BICYCLIST GOING BEFORE THE SIDEWALKS WENT UP, TRYING TO CROSS THAT IN HOW DANGEROUS THAT IS THERE.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD THING THAT WOULD HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HELP THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IF WE COULD ADDRESS THAT IN TERMS OF, UH, GUTTERS AND, UH, IN, UH, CURVES, I ASSUME THERE'LL BE SOME KIRK CUTS ARE CLEAR CURBS PUT IN AND THEN CURB CUTS TOO, FOR THE INGRESS AND EGRESS INTO THIS SITE FROM MATTHEWS.
AND PART OF THAT, I UNDERSTAND IT AFFECTS THE DRAINAGE.
AND SO THAT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK I REFERRED TO THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING.
WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT HERE IN ZILKER, UH, SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR AGO OR SO, AND IT'S COME ONLINE AND, UM, AND THE DRAINAGE, THE WAY THEY'RE HANDLING THE DRAINAGE THERE IS THEY'RE DRAINING THE WATER DIRECTLY ONTO THE STREET AND, UH, FROM THEIR SIDE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, AND SO WHEN THERE'S A HEAVY RAIN EVENT, OF COURSE, THERE'S RAIN ALREADY ON THE STREET AND THEN MORE COMING OUT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, FROM THIS P YOU KNOW, THE SITE THAT'S IN PRODUCTION NOW, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S IN, IT'S, IT'S FULLY FUNCTIONAL.
AND THEN, BUT WHEN IT, WHEN IT STOPS RAINING, IT STILL DRAINS WATER ON TO THAT FRONTAGE ONTO THAT ROAD.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S WASHED OUT THE INTERSECTION THERE MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND SO I WONDER, WHAT IS, HOW WILL THE DRAINAGE BE HELD, UH, ADDRESSED HERE? WILL, WILL IT BE, WILL THEY BE PUTTING IT DIRECTLY ONTO THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE? HOW IS THAT DRAINAGE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN?
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I, AS THE STAFF, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PR UH, PROVIDE TO THE CITY PRE AND POST DEVELOPMENT, UM, DRAINAGE ANALYSIS WITH THE SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN.AND I BROUGHT UP THE POINT LAST TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO USE THAT TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE TO ROUTE THAT WATER DOWN TO A STORM DRAIN.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WHEN THAT WATER HAS TO TRAVEL A LONG DISTANCE AND GO THROUGH INTERSECTIONS AND THEN FINALLY GET TO A STORM DRAIN, I THINK STAFF SHOULD REALLY LOOK CLOSELY AT THAT WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE FIGURING OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DRAIN RUNOFF FROM THESE DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE WHO ENDS UP PAYING FOR THE REPAIR OF THAT TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GETS DAMAGED FROM THIS WATER FLOWING REGULARLY.
UH, SO I MADE MY POINT THERE AND I'LL MOVE ON THE, UH, UH, IN TERMS OF THE FLOOD PLAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THIS IS, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PROPERTY ABUTS, THE FLOOD PLAIN, THE FLOOD PLAIN, BUT IT, IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IS THAT CORRECT? I SAW THAT BLUE ON THE MAP, IT LOOKED LIKE, WAS THAT A FLOOD PLAIN IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT, BUT NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN CAN STAFF.
IT IS, WELL, IT MAY ENCROACH A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL, BUT IF, SO, IT WOULD BE ADJACENT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE UNION PACIFIC TRACK.
WELL, AND THEN SEE WHAT I'M SAYING IS I SEE ON THE MAP THAT IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE FLOOR.
AND I SEE, I SEE WITH MY OWN EYES, HOW WE'VE HANDLED BEFORE IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, HOW THAT, THAT WATER NOW FLOWS THIS W SO I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS WATER'S GOING TO FLOW INTO THIS AREA.
THAT'S ALREADY ADJACENT TO A FLOOD PLAIN AND CREATE MORE FLOODING ISSUES.
SO I'M JUST GETTING THAT ON THE, ON THE RECORD THERE.
UM, AND THE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE BUS STOP.
WHERE IS THE NEAREST BUS STOP TO THIS SITE? TORI, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT? I DO.
GIVE ME JUST A SECOND, SECOND, GET BACK TO THAT IMAGE.
AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO PULL UP THE SECOND SLIDE OF MY PRESENTATION, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE LOCATION THAT, UM, THE NEAREST BUS STOP BY WALKING DISTANCE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF A MILE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION.
AND, AND THANK YOU, UH, VICTORIA, FOR THAT INFORMATION.
I WAS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU AND RON TRIED TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW YOU CAN GET FOLKS ONTO THE BUS, YOU KNOW, USING OUR BUS SYSTEM, OUR BUS TRANSIT SYSTEM.
SO I WONDER, IS THERE ANYTHING Y'ALL CAN DO ON THIS DEVELOPMENT TO HELP FACILITATE THAT? WELL, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER IS THAT AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN, TRANSPORTATION REVIEW IS GOING TO ADD IS GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT'S PROPOSED, AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE REQUESTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO THE DEGREE THAT THEY CAN TO HELP MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT OPTIONS IN THIS AREA.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE YET.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, ATB WON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE YET UNTIL WE SUBMIT SOMETHING TO THEM AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT TOGETHER A FULL SITE PLAN TO SUBMIT.
AND SO WE, WE HAVE THE ZONING, SO KIND OF WAITING TO SEE, SEE WHAT COMES OF THAT.
BUT, UM, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT CAN, CAN, AND WILL CONTRIBUTE TO OTHER TRANSPORTATION RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE.
MY LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I DO, I, YOU MADE A POINT EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOUR SITE IS RIGHT NEXT TO THIS, A COMMERCIAL REALLY IT'S A COMMERCIAL SITE, BUT IT'S GOT RESIDENTIAL USES ON IT.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, YOUR POINT REALLY HIT HOME TO ME THERE.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE PERSPECTIVES HERE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT MAKES ME, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING, OKAY, WELL, YOU, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU MAY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE AT GETTING A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT VARIANCE FOR THAT ISSUE TOO, BECAUSE I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S, IT'S A REASONABLE POINT YOU'RE MAKING THERE, BUT IT'S ALSO TELLING ME, SENDING ME THE MESSAGE THAT NOW YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PUT MORE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SAME SIDE.
SO THAT'S LEADING ME TO THINK THAT MF TOO, IT MAY BE MORE THAN YOU NEED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD IT, IF YOU GET THAT VARIANCE, YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP MORE OF THE SIDE AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GET MORE UNITS ON THERE.
SO, SO I, I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT A GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN GETTING MORE UNITS, GETTING MORE USE OF OUR TRANSIT INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND, AND, AND FITTING IN WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S A REAL TOUGH THING TO DO.
I KNOW THE STAFF IS REALLY WORKING ON THAT TOO, AND OUR COMMISSION AS WELL.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SMITH, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
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I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.THIS SITE IS ACTUALLY IN THE VERY UPPER REACHES OF THE WAY IT'S PRETTY WATERSHED AND NOWHERE NEAR A FLOOD PLAIN.
UH, THE NEAREST FLOOD PLAIN IS OVER A HALF A MILE AWAY IN NORTH, UH, UM, NORTH OF WILLIAM CANNON DRIVE AND ALSO NORTH OF STASHING LANE.
UM, AND IT, IT RUNS ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
SO THE SITE WILL DRAIN NATURALLY EAST TO WEST INTO THE DRAINAGE DITCH ON THE SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK.
AND THEN ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK FOR ABOUT A HALF A MILE DOOR, OR IT'S A FLOOD PLAIN, WHAT YOU DO SEE IS THERE'S A CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE ADJACENT TO THE SITE AND A CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE HAS SOME SETBACKS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT CRITICAL WATER QUALITY IS ON, OR IT'S NEAR THE UPPER REACHES OF THAT CRITICAL WATER QUALITY THOUGH.
UH, BUT AGAIN, NOWHERE NEAR, UH, FEMA FLOW POINTS ON THE DRAINAGE EXACTLY SET UP VERY WELL FOR THIS TRACKING THAT IT WOULD DRAIN EAST TO WEST INTO THE RAILROAD TRACK.
RANDY'S DOOSAN THAT ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS UNTIL IT GETS INTO WILLIAMSON CREEK, UH, THAT I HAVE A MOUTH IN THE DOOR.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK THIS SITE IS SET UP WELL FOR MULTIFAMILY.
UM, IT'S CLOSE TO, TO THE BUS STOPS, UM, MATTHEW'S LANE, THIS IS A HEAVILY TRAVELED BICYCLE AREA.
I RUN A BICYCLE IN THIS AREA QUITE A BIT AS WELL.
UM, MANCHESTER ROAD, MATTHEW LANE IN THAT AREA IS CLOSE TO SHOPPING IS CLOSE TO BUS STOPS.
UM, SO I THINK IT WILL BE IDEAL.
ADDING A SIDEWALK WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
UH, I THINK THAT WILL BE A VERY GOOD IDEA TO ADD A SIDEWALK.
I'M SURE THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, STAFF WILL ALSO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
UH, I DON'T SEE ANY LOCALIZED FLOODING IF I LOOK TO FLOOD ROAD AND SEE ANY LOOK, LESS RAINY ISSUE, THE STAFF WILL LOOK AT THAT AND REQUIRE DRAINAGE AS PART OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS.
SO I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING FROM ENGINEERING, THE REASON WHY THE MULTIFAMILY WOULD WORK WELL ON THE SITE.
IT CHAIR, MAY I JUST THINK COMMISSIONER SMITH FOR THAT? I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THE CHART IS SHOWING A CREEK BUFFER, NOT, UH, THAT'S CONFUSING, CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A FLOOD PLAIN TO ME.
IT LOOKS LIKE A FLOOD, BUT IT'S REALLY, IT'S A CREEK, BUT THE CREEK IS A HALF A MILE NORTH OF HERE.
THIS IS THE VERY UPPER REACHES UP ON THE WATER.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.
I REALIZE IT'S THE UPPER, A PORTION OF THE WATERSHED AND THE DRAINAGE GOES TO A DITCH ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK.
UM, AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. SMITH.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT IT'LL ERODE THE GRAVEL AND, UM, STOP THAT AS KEEPING THE RAILROAD TRACKS ELEVATED? THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE IN DISTRICT SEVEN AND SIX WHERE WE'VE HAD A RAILROAD TRACKS ERODED OUT.
I DIDN'T SEE A DITCH ON THE PRESENTATION THAT MAYBE I'M MISSING IT.
AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR WENDY WITH A QUICK ONE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A ROSE AND A LOT OF BALLAST.
I'VE DONE SOME, SOMETHING ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS ALONG MANSHACK ROAD, FURTHER SOUTH, AND THEY DRAIN ALONG THIS SAME DRAINAGE DITCH ALONG BEHIND MACHEK ROAD, CLOSER TO THE CITY OF MACHACA OR MANCHAC.
UM, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT AT ALL.
THAT BALANCE IS PRETTY HEAVY, PRETTY COMPASSIONATE, UH, RELATIVE TO THAT.
AND THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH FLOW BEING UP IN THE VERY UPPER REACHES OF THIS PLACE.
AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE FLOW COMING THROUGH THIS AREA.
UM, AND THEN A QUICK QUESTION FOR MS. RHODES.
I DIDN'T HEAR AND HOPE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION, UM, AS TO WHAT THE MAPPING IS, LANE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR REQUESTED.
I THINK I CAUGHT THAT THEY WERE WANTING MF ONE OR MF TWO, FOUR, SIX DUPLEXES LIMITED TO TWO STORIES.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH THEY ASKED FOR? AND IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER, OF COURSE, I'LL ASK MR. SUTTON.
UH, AND THEN IS THERE A DEFINITION FOR STORIES IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST, TWO STORIES.
WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER THAT TO BE? IS IT 24 FEET OR IS IT 30 FEET? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WENT WITH A C OH, DO WE HAVE TO SAY, UM, TWO STORIES OR DO WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY PUT A HEIGHT LIMIT WITH FEET, FEET, YOU KNOW, NUMBER IN IT, UH, COMMISSIONER DENTLER, UH, REGARDING YOUR, YOUR SECOND QUESTION.
UH, WE DO NEED A, A FEET AND HEIGHT OR A HEIGHT IN X AS EXPRESSED IN A NUMBER OF FEET.
UM, IT CAN SAY TWO STORIES, BUT IT HAS TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY A FIGURE THAT IN FEET FOR HEIGHT.
AND THEN I DO NOT RECALL RECEIVING, UH, CORRESPONDENCE
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FROM THE MATTHEWS LANE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.THERE WAS A PETITION THAT WAS FILED AND THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE BACKUP.
I DON'T, I, I DID HEAR THE, UH, MR. SUTTON SAY SIX RESIDENCES, BUT I DON'T HAVE CORRESPONDENCE TO THAT EFFECT.
AND IF MR. SUTTON IS AVAILABLE, UH, HOPI CAN BE PATCHED IN ON, IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S LOOKING MF ONE, UM, WITH SIX DUPLEXES, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S ALLOWABLE.
AND, UM, BECAUSE THE PETITION SAID AT MAP ONE, UM, AND, BUT THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR TWO STORIES.
WE, WE DON'T CONSIDER IT, UH, 28 FEET, FOR EXAMPLE, OR 30 FEET.
WE NEED TO HAVE A HEIGHT AS EXPRESSED IN FEET.
YOU CAN SAY TWO STORIES IS FINE, BUT WE DO NEED AN ACCOMPANYING HEIGHT.
I'VE EXPRESSED IN FEET FOR MS. UH THAT'S BUT THAT IS ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE I HAVE.
IS MR. SUTTON AVAILABLE FOR QUESTION? OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, WITHDRAW CHAIR, COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ANDOVER.
HEN THE COMMISSION ALWAYS HAS A RIGHT TO, UM, ASK QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC.
I'D LOVE TO ASK HIM A QUICK QUESTION.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL ARE LOOKING FOR
WHAT HEIGHT LIMIT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN TWO STORIES WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 28 FEET, 30 FEET DID MY, THIS IS MR. SUTTON.
AGAIN, OUR OUTREACH COMMITTEE LOOKED AT SIX SINGLE FAMILY UNITS OR, AND OR DUPLEX UNITS.
I WOULD VENTURE A GUESS OF 35 FEET.
I THINK IF, UH,
WHO ELSE HAS A QUESTION? I SHOULDN'T HURT VICE CHAIR TO GO BOSSA.
UM, I, WHEN WE HAD ANOTHER CASE, UH, I THINK IT WAS ONE, ONE OH NINE MATTHEW'S LANE COME BEFORE US ONE, ONE OH FIVE.
UM, I DELVE MORE INTO THE WATERSHED ISSUES AND IT IS REALLY HARD TO FIND SOME INFORMATION, BUT THEY HAD POINTED ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THERE IS, THERE ARE SOME REPORTS OF LOCALIZED FLOODING, ESPECIALLY AT THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS, UM, AND, UM, AND CHERRY MEADOW.
AND IN FACT THAT AT ALBERT ROAD, THAT IS A WHOLE, UH, LOCALIZED FLOOD PLAIN FLOODING AREA.
AND THAT AREA HAS NOT BEEN MAPPED FOR FLOOD PLAIN.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF THAT REALLY MATTERS THAT MUCH, BUT THERE ARE CASES OF ALONG MATTHEWS LANE AND, UM, AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS OF, OF LOCALIZED FLOODING AND ON THE WATERSHED PROTECTION, UM, MAPPING GIS MAPPING.
AND ALSO, SO I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOODING IN THAT.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE CAN BE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY BE HAPPY TO SEE IS THERE TO S TO SEE MORE OF A STUDY OF THAT AREA BEFORE WE PUT IN ANYTHING.
AND I FELT THAT WAY BEFORE WITH THE OTHER MATTHEW'S LANE CASE.
SHE, BECAUSE IT IS JUST NOT, I THINK IT'S JUST, UM, THAT IS ADJACENT TO A WHOLE LOCALIZED FLOOD AREA OF WHAT W WE'RE PROBLEM PRO OR I WAS GOING TO CALL IT A PROBLEM PRO UH, UM, IDENTIFIED PROBLEM AREA.
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KNOW ABOUT, AND I HAD ASKED MATT HOLLAND ABOUT THIS, ARE THERE ANY PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE, MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS OR PROJECTS PROPOSED FOR THIS AREA? BECAUSE THAT, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PICTURES IS REALLY NOT, UM, IS ISN'T ISN'T UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT CURRENT PRACTICES RIGHT NOW? UH, THIS IS WENDY ROSE.I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY DRAINAGE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UM, PART OF A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT OR SOMETHING THAT THE, THAT THE CITY WOULD INITIATE ON ITS OWN.
THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I, THAT I COULD LOOK INTO, UH, WITH WATERSHED BETWEEN, UM, BEFORE THIS GOES TO COUNCIL, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.
AND ALSO I DO APPRECIATE THE WATERSHED DEPARTMENT, CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN REALLY NICE AND HELPFUL, AND I DO HAVE TO SAY, I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE, SO THAT'S AN ISSUE AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT, I'M, I'M VERY NERVOUS ABOUT, UM, HAVING A LOT OF DENSITY THERE, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE VICTORIA'S HONESTY BECAUSE I DID ASK HER ABOUT IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER MP3 PROJECTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SHE SAID NO, AND I, I, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH ABOUT THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE GROUP? I I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT I, UM, AGREE THAT A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THE LOCATION, GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT AND OTHER, UM, RESOURCES AND THE SEPARATION FROM SINGLE FAMILY, AS IT'S SHOWN.
I KNOW THAT LAST WEEK, A TOWER OF 132 UNITS SOLD OUT IN FIVE HOURS, AND WE HAVE AN URGENT PROBLEM WITH LACK OF HOUSING AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE THREE PROPERTIES, THREE HOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY TODAY.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, WHAT I, I THINK THAT WHAT STAFF HAS THAT I FEEL LIKE STAFF HAS DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND ARE BEING VERY REASONABLE WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
AND I WOULD SUPPORT THE
UM, THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M HEARING THE CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD A NEW SIDEWALK AND POTENTIALLY UPGRADE THE DRAINAGE WHERE THAT SIDEWALK IS GOING.
SO I ASSUME THAT'S PART OF THEIR WOULD BE PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION, CURB AND GUTTER AS WE'VE DISCUSSED.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT, I'M, WHAT I'M HEARING AND FEELING RIGHT NOW.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS, WANTS TO RESPOND TO THAT.
I'M WONDERING IF THE, UM,
I WOULD BE THAT SOUNDS COMMISSIONER KING.
I'LL GET EMOTION OUT THERE JUST SO WE CAN START GETTING SOMETHING DECIDED HERE, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE NOW I DON'T WANT TO CUT ANYBODY OFF.
SO I'LL, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, UH, THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON'S, UH, SUGGESTION ABOUT 55% IMPERVIOUS COVER, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE TO JUST KIND OF THINKING OUT LOUD, I WAS GOING TO GO MORE FOR MF ONE BECAUSE IT HAS THE 55%.
SO I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH MF TWO WITH THE 55%.
I CAN, I CAN DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE AND THE LOCALIZED FLOODING ISSUES HERE.
AND, UH, UH, WHAT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT AND MAYBE STAFF CAN HELP ME WITH THIS IS CAN WE, UH, I THINK THAT THE HEIGHT MF ONE, TWO AND THREE IS 40 FEET.
SO IT COULD, WE WOULD, WE NEED A CEO TO LIMIT IT TO 36 FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO THE, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS WENDY ROSE AGAIN, UH, FOR
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FEET, WHICH IS, UM, FAMILY CATEGORY.YES, YOU WOULDN'T NEED A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, BUT IF IT, IF IT'S JUST 40 FEET, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO DO A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY, THAT'S, WHAT'S PERMITTED BY THE, BY THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON THE COMMISSION TONIGHT ABOUT LIMITING THAT.
SO I'D LIKE TO GET THAT OUT THERE TO A CEO TO LIMIT IT TO 35 FEET IN HEIGHT, AND TWO STORIES, TWO STORIES AND 35 FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO THE MOTION WOULD BE MF TWO WITH 55% IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMIT, AND A CEO WITH A MAX FIVE TO 35 FEET AND TWO STORIES.
SO, UH, SO IT SOUNDED LIKE MF TWO WITH 55% IMPERVIOUS COVER AND A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT TO 35, TO SAY 35 FEET OR TWO STORIES.
UH, TWO, TWO STORIES FOR A MAXIMUM OF 35 FEET.
I KNOW JOLENE, YOU SECONDED IT, BUT, BUT I'M WILLING TO GO 36 FEET IF THAT MAKES IT BETTER.
SO I'LL, LET ME JUST DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
I'LL GO WITH 36 INSTEAD OF 35.
SO MF TO A 55% IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMIT 36 FEET MAXIMUM HEIGHTS, TWO STORIES.
JUST BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, WHAT WERE THE FOUR, THE APPLICANT WILL THOSE RESTRICTIONS ALLOW THEM TO HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PROJECT? GOOD QUESTION.
ARE WE LIKE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT IS ESSENTIALLY KILLING THEIR PROJECT OR ARE WE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY WORK WITH? WELL, NO CHAIR A CHAIR.
I WOULD, YOU KNOW, THE MOTION IS NOT COMPLETE UNTIL WE GET A SECOND AND I CHANGED THE MOTION.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THE FIRST ONE, I REPLACED IT WITH THE SECOND ONE.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND, THEN THAT IS A MOOT POINT.
YOU KNOW, THAT DISCUSSION IS MOVED THE SECOND AT, SO, OKAY.
AND SHARON, MAY I JUST, JUST READ IT ONE MORE TIME? IT'S THE MF TWO 55% IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMIT A CEO, UH, WITH TWO STORIES MAXIMUM 36 FEET HIGH.
AND THAT WAS, OH, IT WAS SECONDED BY VICE VICE-CHAIR KIELBASA.
THAT SOUNDED LIKE COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HAD CALLED.
I JUST WANTED TO, TO, UM, AND SAY TO COMMISSIONER COSTA, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
AND I, I, I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND THIS PROPERLY, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY AROUND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR, UM, A COMPATIBILITY WAIVER, RIGHT.
IS THAT, DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROJECT IS SORT OF IN PLAY IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
AND, UM, SO I SHARE YOUR KIND OF DISCOMFORT AND KNOWING WHAT WE'RE REALLY VOTING ON, BUT IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT PROPERLY.
AND CHAIR, MAY I JUST CLARIFY? I KNOW, UH, THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE COMMISSIONER BRAY IS NOW ONLINE WITH US AND, UH, I THINK, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, WERE COMMISSIONER RAY ALSO, WAS SHE HERE EARLIER? OKAY.
AND SO, YEAH, THAT WAS COMMISSIONER KOSTA.
WERE YOU HERE WHEN WE DID THE CONSENT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT YOUR VOTE.
HE WAS NOT YOUR CHAIR ON CONSENT.
I JUST WANT TO TRY AND MAKE SURE MY NOTES ARE CORRECT.
SO I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER KOSTA BRINGS UP A VERY VALID POINT AND I WONDERED IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO HIS QUESTION OF AS A ZONING OF MF TWO WITH 55% IMPERVIOUS COVER AND A HEIGHT LIMIT OF 36 FEET OR TWO FLOORS, TWO STORIES, UM, STILL MAKE YOUR PROJECT VIABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY CONSTRAINTS YOU PUT ON A PROJECT IS GOING TO, UM, OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN THE PROJECT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO LESS THAN A PROJECT BECAUSE OF A DRAINAGE ISSUE, BUT WE HAVE CODES AND ORDINANCES THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT SAYS THAT WE CAN NOT INCREASE THE RUNOFF THAT LEAVES THIS SITE, THAT WE HAVE TO DETAIN IT.
AND SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY ADDITIONAL FLOODING DOWNSTREAM.
MR. KING, YOU SAID WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT DOES GREAT PARK, OR MAYBE IT WAS COMMISSIONER DEAN CLARK AND THEY DO THEY CHECK AND THEY CHECK US ALL THE TIME ON THESE DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS.
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THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO PUT ON IS GOING TO LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF YIELD ON THE PROPERTY.AND I WOULD THINK AFTER HEARING COMMISSIONER TEAM'S DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, WANTING TO DO ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS TO HELP THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE BICYCLES IN THE AREA THAT ON PROJECTS WE WORK ON, UH, WE HAVE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH AND WE'RE UPGRADING SIDEWALKS THAT ARE 500, 800 FEET AWAY FROM OUR PROJECT AS PART OF OUR MITIGATION EFFORTS.
AND THAT ONLY COMES WITH DENSITY.
THE MORE DENSITY WE GET, THE MORE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THE BIKES AND THE PEDESTRIANS IN THE AREA.
AND SO AGAIN, WE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE LIMITATIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND TWO IS GOING TO PROVIDE LESS FAMILY HOUSING LESS THAN PREVIOUS COVERAGE IS GOING TO EQUATE TO LESS UNIT LESS HEIGHT IS GOING TO EQUATE TO LESS BEDROOMS. UM, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY HERE.
UM, UM, I MEAN, AS FAR AS HEIGHTS GOES GRS NEXT DOOR, ESSENTIALLY, WHICH WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR 60 FEET AND HEIGHTS AND THAT'S, WHAT'S INTERVENING BETWEEN US AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, UH, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. SMITH.
UM, JUST KINDA SOME OF THE COMMENTS, THE MAXIMUM HIVE DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
UM,
SO IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY IS 40 FOOT.
UM, AND SO I'M LIMITING THIS TO SOMETHING SMALLER ME DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT THAT END.
YOU MENTIONED EVERYTHING'S GOING TO GO THROUGH WATERSHED PROTECTION REVIEW FOR IT, FOR DRAINAGE.
YOU WERE IN THE VERY UPPER REACHES OF A WATERSHED YEAR IN BLACK MEAL.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW ANY ADDITIONAL ONE ON GOING OFF THE SIDE.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU COULDN'T HAVE A SITE BUILT BETTER, BUT THIS IS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK.
BUT I THINK TO THE DRAINAGE DITCH, UM, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT ON THE PUBLIC STREET WITH THE DRAINING.
UM, I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL PHONE CALLS IN THE LAST WEEK FROM PEOPLE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN AUSTIN HAVE BEEN LONG-TERM OFF THE NICE, AND THEY'RE VERY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEIR CHILDREN CAN'T MOVE INTO AUSTIN.
THEY'VE GROWN UP, THEY'VE GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE, ARE HAVING TO MOVE AWAY BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN AUSTIN.
CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING AND HOUSING.
IT'S AN EXPERIENCE THAT'S EXPENSIVE.
AND EVERY TIME WE ADD RESTRICTION, WE'RE JUST MAKING THAT SITUATION WORSE.
YOU GOT TO GET MORE HOUSING IN THIS CITY SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, THEIR CHILDREN CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE AND NOT HAVE TO MOVE AWAY.
UH, I MEAN, I'VE LITERALLY HAD TWO PHONE CALLS IN THE LAST WEEK OF SOMEONE FINALLY SAY, CAN YOU HELP ME FIND A PLACE WHERE I CAN LIVE? I CAN TELL YOU JUST RIGHT AWAY IN COLLEGE AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE AWAY BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY HALL.
YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT CONTINUUM.
SO I'M SUPPORTING STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE.
UM, I HA I SEE KIELBASA HIS HAND UP AND THEN COMMISSIONER KING.
UM, I THINK YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT, COMMISSIONER SMITH.
I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LIVE IN AREAS THAT COULD BE IN, YOU KNOW, IN DANGER, ESPECIALLY, OR IT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
YOU POINTED OUT THAT MF TWO ACROSS THE WAY DOES HAVE A 40 FOOT HEIGHT.
SO COMMISSIONER KING, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GET RID OF, TO KEEP THE IMPERVIOUS COVER? CAUSE I THINK THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IS THE MORE IMPORTANT THING AND JUST TO DO AND UM, BUT, UM, BUT NOT THE HEIGHT LIMIT.
I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
SO IF IT'S OKAY I WILL, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU DO, WE WITHDRAW IT AND REDO THE MOTION, OR HOW DO WE DO THAT? OR DO I, CAN I JUST CHANGE IT ON THE FLY? YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE AN A MAT, SORRY.
I MOVE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO REMOVE THE CO ESSENTIALLY FOR THE HEIGHT, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 40 FEET UNDER THE EMF TWO ZONING CATEGORY.
AND I SECOND IT, CAUSE I JUST THINK THE IMPERVIOUS COVERS THE IMPORTANT PART HERE.
I THINK THAT GIVES US A KIND OF A GOOD BALANCE THERE.
IF YOU RECOGNIZE WHEN WE REDUCE THE IN FRONT OF YOU COVER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO EITHER EFFICIENCY UNITS AND GET AWAY FROM THE TWO BEDROOM UNITS THEY PLAN, OR THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO LEFT PHOENIX.
ONE OF THE TWO, IT'S A SIMPLE FACT.
UM, SO WE ARE GOING TO GET NONFAMILY EFFICIENCY UNITS OR WE'RE GOING TO GET LESS UNITS AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT IT.
PERVIOUS COVER FOR DRAINAGE PURPOSES, WATERSHED PROTECTION.
IT'S GOING TO REVIEW THE DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS.
A LOT OF LAVINE OFF SITE IMPACTS.
THAT'S PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.
NOW ALL THE FLOODING WE HEAR ABOUT ARE FLOODING WITH SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE BUILT 50 YEARS AGO.
UM, NOBODY IS BUILDING IN THE FLOW OF MONEY, RIGHT AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FULL DETENTION FOR WATER QUALITY FOR ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, UH, TO LIVE WITH FEWER
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UNITS OR SMALLER UNITS.WE DO SOME NAMED PARTIES, GOVERNMENTS, THEN LARGER FAMILY.
IT'S NOT A SMALL RENOVATION, MR. THOMPSON.
UH, WELL, I JUST WANT TO NARROW IT.
IT'S A 5% REDUCTION AND IMPERVIOUS COVER AND IT ALSO SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS' CONCERNS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SO FAR, NO, ONE'S PUT UP PROPOSALS THAT GO DOWN TO THE, THE DESIRED, UH, ZONING THE NEIGHBORS ARE ASKING FOR, BUT THIS IS ONE SMALL AREA OF COMPROMISE THAT SORT OF HONORS THE REQUEST FOR A NET, MORE NATURAL INFILTRATION AND, UM, HOPEFULLY A LITTLE EXTRA GREEN SPACE.
AND I JUST, AGAIN, WANT TO BRING UP THAT WE HEARD THEY'RE GOING TO PURSUE A COMPATIBILITY WAIVER THAT WOULD CHANGE THE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER COMPONENT TO THE PROJECT AND I DON'T THINK A VOTE FOR A 5% CHANGE AND IMPERVIOUS COVER MEANS EFFICIENCY UNITS NECESSARILY.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT FORWARD, UH, COMMISSIONER KOSTA AND THEN COMMISSIONER KING, AND THEN IT DIDN'T CLEAR.
DID YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR HAND UP? OKAY.
AND TO COMMISSIONER THOMPSON'S POINT, WE ALSO HAVE NOT TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT ACCEPTING THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MF THREE.
AND SO MF TWO, WHAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, LET'S THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, IS IN ITSELF A COMPROMISE.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF 5% IS NEGLIGIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF 5% IS GOING TO HAVE ANY GREATER EFFECT THAN WHAT IT WOULD HAVE.
I, I'M NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND, I SINCERELY EMPATHIZE WITH THE DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HEARING THE VOICES OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVEN'T EXPRESSED CONCERN.
I DO EMPATHIZE WITH THAT, BUT I THINK THAT OUR JOB AS COMMISSIONERS IS NOT JUST TO LOOK AT THE SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT OF OUR CITY.
AND ON THAT NOTE, I THINK THAT WE HAVE A MORE CLEAR CASE OF WHERE THE NEED OF OUR COMMUNITY IS ON THE GREATER SENSE AND WHERE WE CAN PUT TRUST IN THE ABILITY AND AGENCIES OF OUR CITY SYSTEMS OF HOW THEY'VE DONE THE STUDIES AND I'VE HOW THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THEIR OWN STUDIES.
SO THE MORE, THE MORE OF THESE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE PUT THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE, THE GREATER, THE DETRIMENT TO THE PROJECT.
AND IF WE END UP, IF WE DO MAKE CHANGES OF WORK, IF WE ARE RESTRICTING HEIGHT, IF WE ARE RESTRICTING IMPERVIOUS COVER, I'D ALMOST PREFER THEM TO BE OF A LARGER EXTENT THAT WAY WE HAVE A MORE DEFINED USE OF WHAT, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT VERSUS SOME KIND OF ARBITRARY COMPROMISE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT THERE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE HELPFUL, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M SAYING.
I THINK THAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, IS THIS IS THE TRUE COMPROMISE.
AND I THINK IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE, MR. ACOSTA.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE THERE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, TRULY DO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, IT COMES DOWN TO JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I MEAN, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLISTIC AND I KNOW NO ONE IN THE COMMISSION IS SAYING THAT JUST GET MORE HOUSING ON THE MARKET, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT, NO, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT, BUT SOMETIMES IT SORT OF SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF MOVING, MOVING MORE IN THAT DIRECTION, YOU KNOW? AND, AND, AND, AND, AND SO THAT KIND OF LEAVES BEHIND FOLKS.
WHO'VE INVESTED IN THEIR PROPERTY.
WHO'S RAISED THEIR FAMILY HERE, WHO'S IN, LATER IN THEIR LIVES AND TRYING TO HOLD ONTO THEIR HOUSES.
AND WE DO KNOW THAT THESE UPS ZONINGS DO A CREATE INCREASED APPRAISED VALUES FOR NEARBY PROPERTIES.
AND SO I WORRY TOO ABOUT TOO MUCH ZONING AT ONE TIME.
THERE'S ALSO THAT PERSPECTIVE TO LOOK AT.
AND THEN WHEN I LOOK AT MY OWN EXPERIENCE WITH MY OWN EYES AND I SEE IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, OH, OH, THAT MENTIONED, THAT WENT UP.
IT CAN'T CAUSE ANY MORE RUNOFF THAN THEY HAD BEFORE.
AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENS MORE RUNOFF THAN BEFORE THE MCMANSION? WAS THERE MORE AND MORE AND MORE, SO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I DO TRUST OUR CITY STAFF, BUT THEY CAN, I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A, IT'S A MONUMENTAL TASK TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT WHEN I SEE WITH MY OWN EYES, WHEN I NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, ONE MCMANSION AFTER ANOTHER GOES ONLINE, AND NOW WE SEE LOCALIZED FLOODING INCREASING FOR THE HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
THEY CAN SEE WHAT THEIR OWN EYES, THE ADDITIONAL FLOODING AND ADDITIONAL FLOW.
YES, I DO THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO LISTEN TO THAT.
AND I DO THINK A LITTLE TWEAKING HERE AND THERE IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
IT'S NOT ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS OR NON, YOU KNOW, WHIMSICAL OR NONSENSICAL IT'S FOR VALID, IMPORTANT REASONS.
AND I THINK ALL OF THESE REASONS, THOSE THAT YOU'VE EXPRESSED, THOSE THAT OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION HAVE EXPRESSED ARE ALL VALID AND IMPORTANT PERSPECTIVES.
AND SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS LISTEN TO ALL OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES AND BUILD ON WHAT STAFF
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HAS DONE STACK OUR GREASE STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IN TRYING TO BALANCE THIS OUT AND FOLLOW THE CODE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN TO BRING OUR OWN PERSPECTIVES TO THESE DECISIONS.AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE HAVE A GOOD MOTION HERE, MF TWO WITH 55%, UH, IN PURCHASE COVERAGE LIMIT.
I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE.
IT GIVES, YOU KNOW, IT'S BALANCED WITH STAFF IT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND JUST BECAUSE AN APPLICANT COMES IN AND ASKS FOR WHATEVER ZONING DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE RIGHT ZONING OR THE LEVEL THAT'S BEING REQUESTED AS THE RIGHT ZONING LEVEL OF ZONING, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO FULFILL THAT REQUEST.
OR, AND, AND, AND NOR THAT IT'S EVEN A REASONABLE REQUEST GIVEN THE SITUATION OR THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS MEASUREMENT THAT, OH, THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR.
IF WE DON'T HIT THAT, THEN WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOBS.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A GOOD BALANCE PERSPECTIVE, AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE HERE ON THE COMMISSION IS SAYING THAT I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THIS, THE STAFF KNOCKED THEM DOWN.
WE CAN'T KNOCK THEM DOWN ANY FURTHER.
I THINK THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THESE CASES AND MAKE THESE, THESE TWEAKS TO IT, TO MAKE IT BETTER AND MORE BALANCED.
DINKLER HAD HER HAND UP AND THEN COMMISSIONER WOODY.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ON DRAINAGE, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE ADEQUATELY ADDRESS LOCALIZED FLOODING, UM, EVEN UNDERSTANDING THE PATTERNS OF THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS, WHICH I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER, UM, UM, SMITH POINTING OUT, UM, ATLAS, WHICH DETERMINED FLOOD PLAIN, THEN DIDN'T TAKE CLIMATE CHANGE INTO EFFECT.
IT AVERAGED, UM, RAINFALL FROM 1960S TO THE CURRENT RAIN BOMBS.
AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT WORSE RAINFALL THAN, UM, FOLKS, UH, REALIZE.
SO I THINK SUPPORTING, UM, MR. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT MR. KING'S MOTION, BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO REDUCE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UM, THIS EQUATED TO 1300 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE APPLICANT WAS GIVEN, UH, 40, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OVER SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, SO I THINK THIS IS MAKING SENSE TO ME.
UM, I, I'M NOT, I THINK THAT DRAINAGE ISSUES NEED A LITTLE TWEAKING AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, IS GETTING, UM, THE HEIGHT, UM, IN THAT MF TWO, UM, OVER SINGLE FAMILY.
SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER KING'S MOTION, COMMISSIONER WOODY.
UH, MY QUESTION WAS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, HOW MUCH, UH, ARE YOU LOOKING TO CHARGE PER UNIT, UH, ON THIS PROPERTY AND, UM, WHAT IS THE MOST, THE SIZE OF EACH, I GUESS EACH, UH, APARTMENT BUILDING OR APPROXIMATE APARTMENT HOME, I GUESS, CAN YOU JUST A SECOND, I'M TRYING TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
I DO KNOW THAT, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SIZE TWO BEDROOM UNITS FOR MS. THREE REQUIRES AT LEAST, UM, FOR THE REQUEST OF HIM AFTER HE REQUIRES AT LEAST 1800 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT, UM, UH, RIGHT IN THERE.
THAT'S JUST SALARY REQUIREMENT.
YEAH, THEY'VE JUST CONFIRMED THAT IT WILL BE AT LEAST 1800 SQUARE FEET AND POSSIBLY GREATER IN RANGE, NOT SURE ON THE PRICE POINTS JUST YET.
UM, YEAH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE AN ID ON THE PRICE POINTS JUST UP.
UM, I ONLY ASK BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, W WE DID MENTION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE IN AUSTIN, BUT A LOT OF THE TIMES THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE WAY UP THERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THE PRICING.
SO I DO HAVE THAT CONCERN, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED.
IF, IF I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION, UH, BEFORE, BEFORE WE ALL TAKE A BREATH, I'LL CERTAINLY LET YOU KNOW.
UH DINKLER THEN I SEE TIM TIMOTHY BRAY HAS HIS HAND UP
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QUESTION FOR STAFF.UM, MS. RHODES, IS THERE ANY WAY WE, THE APPLICANT SAYING HE WANTS THE UNMAPPED THREE TO DO TWO BEDROOM UNITS? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT IS REQUIRED OF IT? CAN WE REQUIRE THAT THEY DO TWO BEDROOM UNITS, UM, AS PART OF A MOTION? UH, PART OF THE REASON I WAS SUPPORTING COMMISSIONER HEATING'S MOTION IS THERE WAS NO, I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, UH, THAT WE CAN REQUIRE.
SO WHAT, WHAT GUARANTEE IS THERE THAT WE WOULD GET TWO BEDROOMS WITH, UH, AN INCREASE IN ZONING? I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN DO WE CAN LIMIT OR DO A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT PRESCRIBES THE TYPE OF UNITS THAT MUST BE BUILT.
SO WE COULD THEORETICALLY HAVE A NMF THREE, ALL THE UNITS COULD BE EFFICIENCIES THEN.
AND I HOPE THAT IT CAN HEAR ME OKAY.
I'M TRAVELING INTO MY PHONE, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING IN LATE.
UH, BUT I WANTED TO ASK, UH, ARE THERE, UH, SORRY IF I MISSED AS THE PRESENTATION, BUT WERE THERE ANY, UH, OTHER WATERSHED IMPROVEMENTS WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE 55% VERSUS 60%, UH, IN PREVIOUS COVER, UH, UH, I FEEL LIKE WE SOMETIMES TALK ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER IN A VACUUM.
I THINK I SAID THIS BEFORE THAT, UH, IT'S, UH, WATER, WATER QUALITY IS, UH, HAS MULTIPLE FACTORS INVOLVED AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW STAFF LOOKS AT THIS AS FOR A SITE PLAN.
UH, IF ANY APPLICANT OR MAYBE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION COULD SPEAK TO, LIKE, UH, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE BASED AT, AND WOULD THIS YOUR HARDEST PART OF SITE PLAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, WATERSHIP LOOKING AT IT WHERE THERE'S LIKE 55% OR 60%, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECTS.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THAT WITH, FOR, UH, WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, LIKE DRAINAGE OR, UH, COLLECTION, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO PUT A REVERSE IMPACT.
UH, IF, IF THERE'S A BROADER, IT'S JUST THE RIGHT QUESTION WITH THE PREVIOUS COVER OF INSERTS OF WATERSHED OR SOMETHING, UH, THINGS THAT COULD BALANCE THAT OUT.
THIS IS, THIS IS WENDY RHODES.
AGAIN, UH, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER CAN BE LIMITED THROUGH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY.
HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT HAS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THAT WE NOT, UH, ADD DRAINAGE CONDITIONS INTO A ZONING ORDINANCE.
NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CODE.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SECTION OF THE CODE.
AND, UH, ADDITIONALLY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO, OR THEY NEED TO SEE A DETAILED DRAINAGE STUDY TO IDENTIFY THE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THE SITE.
AND THAT, THAT IS WE DON'T HAVE A DRAINAGE STUDY AT THE TIME OF ZONING COMMISSIONERS RATHER OVER HERE.
CAN I SPEAK TO THAT ITEM? OKAY.
YEAH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I JUST WANT TO, OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD RIGHT QUICK THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOK AT IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.
IF WE HAVE A SITE THAT SAYS, LET'S JUST SAY IT DRAINS 20 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND TODAY, AND WHETHER THEIR SITE IS 10% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OR 90% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WE CAN NOT INCREASE THAT 20 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND OF STORM WATER LEAVING THE SITE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 55 AND 60% PERVIOUS COVERAGE IS 5%.
BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE POND IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER BECAUSE THE DISCHARGE IS NEVER GOING TO BE MORE THAN WHAT IS LEAVING THE SITE TODAY.
SO AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S 55%, 60% OR 90% THE WATER LEAVING THE SITE IS GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME.
AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER RAY HAS HER HAND UP, SORRY, I'M GETTING IT.
UM, AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MS. RHODES, IS IT AN AUTOMATIC ASSUMPTION THAT THE POND WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY? UM, OR CAN THEY CONTRIBUTE TO, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK ON TERMS OF DRAINAGE IS THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY DO ON SITE, UH, THAT I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED WITH A DRAINAGE STUDY.
THAT'S THE METADATA AT A LATER STAGE, EITHER THE SITE
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PLAN OR SUBDIVISION, BUT WHETHER THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A POND ONSITE OR CONTRIBUTE TO, UH, THE STORE MANAGEMENT FUND.UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CENTER THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, WHERE OUR CITY'S HEADED.
UM, WHO'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, UM, AND THAT BY FURTHER REDUCING AND PLACING BARRIERS TO PRODUCING MORE UNITS OF HOUSING, UM, WHATEVER ENDS UP ON THIS LOT IS GOING TO COST MORE.
UM, WE NEED A HOUSING ECOSYSTEM THAT PROVIDES CHOICES FOR ALL TYPES OF FAMILIES OR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S AFFORDABLE AND CLOSE TO SERVICES AND CLOSE TO TRANSPORTATION.
AND TO ME, THIS PROJECT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF INFANT DEVELOPMENT WE NEEDED IN OUR CITY.
UM, AND I JUST HATE THE VERSION OF MY CITY, WHERE THE GENERATION THAT I'M COMING UP WITH, LIKE WE WON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO, UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PLACES THAT ARE NOT AS COOL AND FUN AS AUSTIN, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY ARE PLACES THAT AREN'T GOING TO BREAK OUR BUDGETS.
UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO FURTHER NEGOTIATE.
I THINK WE CAN, UM, APPROVE THIS AS STAFF RECOMMENDED.
UM, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE, UH, I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF.
IT'S NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE BECAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING COMMISSIONER RAY SAID, BUT I ALSO THINK AUSTIN'S ECOSYSTEM ECOSYSTEM IS A PRIORITY.
AND WHEN I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, SCALE BACK, JUST EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, THAT'S REALLY ALTERING THE WAY ECOSYSTEMS WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND CONSIDER THEM.
AND SO, UM, I, I AGREE WITH, I HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND WE ALSO HAVE ECOSYSTEM CRISIS AND WATER CRISIS AND DRAINAGE CRISIS.
AND THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS TO BALANCE AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THIS IS DIFFICULT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT ISN'T GOING TO DECIDE OR ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS, BUT IT JUST WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH DIFFICULT, COMPLEX ISSUES WANTING TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.
ARE WE READY TO CALL THE VOTE? SO ALL THE EMOTION, JUST TO REMIND YOU IS MF TWO WITH 55% IMPERVIOUS COVER ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, FOUR OR FIVE AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED SOLID TIE.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THREE, IT GOES, IT GOES FORWARD WITHOUT, OR SOMEBODY COULD MAKE US SUBS ANOTHER MOTION TO MOTION OR NOT A SUBSTITUTE OR JUST ANOTHER MOTION TO TRY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
OR IT CAN JUST GO FORWARD WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION COMMISSIONER SMITH.
UM, I DON'T LIKE A MOTHER FROM JUST TO GO FORWARD WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THAT TOO.
IS THERE A SECOND, MR. KOSTA? SO, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE ALTERNATE MOTION STAFF RECOMMENDATION ARE GOING TO BE AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
AND THAT WAS FIVE I FOUR ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR COMMISSIONER WOODY.
ARE YOU ABSTAINING? IS IT STATING, OKAY, SO IT'S FIVE, FOUR, ONE ABSTENTION.
WELL THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS A GOOD ONE.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE CONVERSATION.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR A GREAT CONVERSATION.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR AUSTIN WATER UTILITY.
COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ANDREW RIVERA.
IF WE CAN PAUSE OR JUST ABOUT TWO MINUTES, UH, HAVE A TECHNICAL ISSUE THAT I HAD TO ATTEND TO.
SO WE'LL BE BACK AT SEVEN, ACTUALLY.
LET'S DO, IF WE COULD DO A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
DO YOU HAVE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? COME BACK AT SEVEN 35.
GO CHECK ON THE BABIES IN THE BATH.
I WANT TO SAY, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? SORRY.
CHAIR COMMISSION LEE'S ON, OR YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT, BUT IT'S BEST THAT WE DON'T COMMUNICATE WHILE WE'RE ON RECESS.
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OKAY.WHERE DOES EVERYBODY GO? OH, THERE YOU ARE.
ANDREA, ARE WE READY TO ROLL? UH, YES, I'LL SPEAK FOR ANDREW.
[B10. Capital Improvement Projects: Austin Water Capital Improvement Projects located in the Drinking Water Protection Zone]
TO HEAR ITEM B 10 ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FROM AUSTIN WATER.THEY'RE A STAFF PERSON MS. PISANO.
HI, MY NAME IS
AND ALONG WITH ME IS LAUREN KING SUPERVISE SOME ENGINEER.
SO EACH YEAR AS PART OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN BUDGET APPROVAL PROCESS, AUSTIN WATER SUBMITS A PLAN FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM BENDING FOR THE UPCOMING FIVE-YEAR PERIOD AND WITHIN OUR AUSTIN WATER OR FIVE-YEAR SAFETY PLAN.
WE HAVE A FEW PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE.
AND SO I THINK COMPLIANCE WITH OUR FINANCIAL POLICY NUMBER EIGHT, THE EIGHT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN OUR CIP PLAN ARE PRESENTED IN THE MEMO THAT WAS POSTED.
SO YOU HAVE THE MEMO AND THEN BEHIND THAT DOCUMENT, YOU HAVE THE TABLE AND THE MAP FOR THOSE EIGHT PROJECTS.
AND SO THOSE PROJECTS REPRESENT IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED TO MEET AUSTIN WATER OPERATIONS, UM, STANDARDS AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
SO, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE MR. THOMPSON.
AND I'M RELATIVELY NEW TO THE COMMISSION, BUT I WAS READING THROUGH THE BACKGROUND MATERIALS AND I SAW THAT THE REASON FOR THE INCLUSION OF THIS ITEM WAS THAT THERE WAS THE HOPE FOR ENHANCED BOARD AND COMMISSION AND CITIZEN REVIEW.
AND, UM, YOU WANTED, OR THE INTENT OF THE POLICY WAS TO HAVE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS REVIEW THE PROJECT SPENDING PLANS AND OBTAIN INPUT AND REVIEW THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE IMAGINE AUSTIN AND REVIEW THE EFFECT OF GROWTH WITHIN THE ZONE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THESE PROJECTS.
AND I, I PERSONALLY CAN'T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS BASED ON WHAT WE WERE GIVEN AS BACKGROUND MATERIAL.
AND SO I, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THIS COMMISSION HAS HANDLED THIS ITEM ANNUALLY.
AND IF, UM, IT'S EVOLVED FROM ITS ORIGINAL INTENT OF ACTUALLY GETTING ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK ON THE NATURE OF THESE PROJECTS AND THE, THE ZONE ITSELF AND THE IMAGINE AUSTIN VISION.
SO I CAN PROVIDE, UH, SOME INPUT TO THAT.
UM, I NOTICED POLICY WAS ENHANCED BACK IN 2013 AND YOU'RE CORRECT.
THE IDEA IS TO, UH, FOR COMMISSIONERS ALONG THE PROCESS TO PROVIDE INPUT AS NEEDED.
UM, WE DO GOOD TO MULTIPLE ONES.
SO BEFORE COMING TO YOU, UH, THIS ITEM WAS REVIEWED BY THE RESEARCH RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION, THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE CURRENT ONE.
AND THE INTENT IS THAT THE DIFFERENT WORK GROUPS OR THE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS GET, UM, GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, BUT ALSO WE HAVE, UH, A LOT IN DISCLOSING BEING PARALLEL WITH THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS.
AND WE ALSO GO TO OUR WATER WASTEWATER COMMISSION AND THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING THAT SET.
SO ALL OF THESE OCCURS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE, UM, DRINKING PROTECTION ZONE.
AND IF YOU HAD ANY, IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THEIR PROJECTS AND, UM, THAT IS, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ANSWERS.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING, THE ONLY INFORMATION WE HAVE IS THE NAME AND THE PRICE IS THAT ACCURATE? SO I D I JUST
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IN THE MAP, MAYBE IN THE MAP HERE, YES.I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY CONTENT HERE TO, TO REVIEW OR EVALUATE.
SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, I ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSENT TO THE LIST AND I GUESS PROVIDE CONSENT TO THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, CORRECT.
THE, THEIR ROLE WOULD BE TO REVIEW AND RECOMMEND THIS SUBSET OF PROJECTS TO MOVE FORWARD AS PART OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE OUR ENTIRE CIP PLAN, UH, POSTED ON OUR AUSTIN FINANCE ONLINE WEBSITE, WHICH INCLUDES ALL OF THE PROJECTS, NOT JUST THE ONES IN THIS.
UM, IT LOOKED COMMISSIONER, WHAT DO YOU, DO YOU STILL HAVE YOUR HAND UP FROM BEFORE, OR DID YOU, YES.
COMMISSIONER SMITH AND THEN I HAVE KING CABASA.
UM, I MEAN, I'M FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING.
SO FOR ME, THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
SO WHAT YEAH, I USE THIS IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU REMEMBER A MONTH AGO, WE GOT A PROJECT IN LOST CREEK AND IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR APPROVAL.
WE PULLED IT, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND NOT SAID THAT, NO, THIS IS FOR AN ELEVATED STORAGE TANK WITH LITTLE ENHANCE THE WATER.
THAT'S ONE OF THESE ITEMS ON THIS PROMISE LIST, THE 20, 20, 2120 7.01 CENTER LOOP 360 ELEMENT IN RESERVOIR IS THAT ELEVATOR RESERVOIR THAT WAS ON THAT CASE.
SO FOR ME, I FAMILIARIZE MYSELF WITH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS SO THAT WHEN SOMETHING COMES BEFORE US, I KNOW THAT I'LL PAY, THIS IS A CIP PROJECT TO ENHANCE THOSE AREAS.
IT JUST HELPS ME, UM, THINKING ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THESE CIP PROJECTS IN THOSE AREAS.
SO FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT IT'S, THAT'S WHAT I USE IT FOR.
AND COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR QUESTION THERE.
AND, UH, AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE BEING A, YOU KNOW, BEING NEW ON THE COMMISSION HERE AND SEEING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF FELT THE SAME WAY WHEN I FIRST STARTED THE COMMISSION.
I SAW THIS I'M LIKE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT THESE PROJECTS, BUT, BUT, UH, UH, BUT, BUT I DO SEE HOW THEY DO TIE INTO THESE ZONING CASES THAT COME THROUGH AND HOW, UH, THAT THESE, THESE, UH, PROJECTS HERE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE BRING UP.
SO, SO TO THAT EXTENT, I CAN SEE THE CONNECTION THERE, BUT I I'M WITH YOU.
I, I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD GET THESE A LITTLE EARLIER WITH SOME LINKS TO THE CIP, UH, DATA, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THAT, THAT THE STAFF HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE WEBSITE.
SO WE CAN GO OVER AND LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTS.
AND MAYBE ANOTHER STRATEGY WOULD BE FOR THE STAFF TO IDENTIFY ON THAT SAME MAP.
HERE'S ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE SERVED BY THE, BY THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, UH, CAPITAL PROJECT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'LL GIVE SOME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN SEE HOW THEY WOULD BE SERVED AS WELL.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE GET SOME MORE INFORMATION IN HERE AND GET IT TO US A LITTLE SOONER.
SO WE HAVE MORE TIME TO DIG INTO IT, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD, AND I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU PULLED THIS ONE OUT, BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THIS, I WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH WINTER STORM URI.
WE KNOW THAT OUR SYSTEMS W YOU KNOW, COULD NOT WITHSTAND THAT OUR WATER SYSTEMS. AND, AND, AND AS I SEE THIS AS A WHITE WATER AND WASTEWATER, THIS IS BOTH, THESE ARE BOTH PROJECTS, UH, DRINKING WATER AND WASTEWATER AS GRAY WATER, I GUESS.
AND SO, UM, TO, TO THAT EXTENT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO, TO GET S YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S TOO LATE NOW, BUT MAYBE THE STAFF GOOD FOLLOW UP AND TELL US TO WHAT EXTENT, UH, THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE INFORMED BY, UH, WHAT WE LEARNED WITH WINTER STORM OR YURI IN TERMS OF RESILIENCY AND HARDENING OF THOSE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IT CAN'T, YOU KNOW, BREAK DOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME AROUND.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS UP.
AND SO TO THAT END STAFF, I WONDER IF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS TO WHAT EXTENT THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, BOTH THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY WHAT WE LEARNED WITH, YOU KNOW, FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE BY WINTER STORM URI.
AND, UM, I HAVE LAUREN KINGDOM SUPERVISOR ENGINEER THAT CAN SPEAK MORE TO, UM, THE LEAD STATEMENTS AND HOW WE HAVE REVIEWED.
AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY REVIEWING, UM, NOT JUST THE PROJECTS IN THIS AREA, BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, AS WELL AS, UH, THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS HE LISTED HERE BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS INTERCONNECTED, NOT ONLY TO SERVE THIS SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREA, BUT THEY ALSO SERVE THE ENTIRE CITY.
AND, UM, LAUREN CAN SPEAK MORE TO THE COMMENT YOU HAD.
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MS. LAUREN, IF YOU'LL SELECT STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE, THAT'S STAR SIX TO A NYP.THIS IS LAUREN KING FROM AUSTIN WATER.
UM, YES, SPECIFICALLY TO THE QUESTION ON A WINTER STORM URI IMPACT, THERE ARE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST.
UH, NUMBER ONE AND THREE SOUTHWEST PARKWAY, ELEVATED RESERVOIR AND SOUTHWEST PARKWAY, TRANSMISSION MAIN THAT, UM, ARE PART OF OUR, UH, CAPITAL RESPONSE COMING OUT OF THAT STORM.
YOU HAD, UH, IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS, WE HAD, UH, FINISHED OUR PROPOSED BUDGET BEFORE THE STORM HIT.
AND SO, UM, AS AN AFTER ACTION, UH, WE WENT AND LOOKED AT IT AND, AND AMENDED IT AND, UH, ACCELERATED SEVERAL PROJECTS, UM, BEGAN IMMEDIATELY.
AND THOSE WERE TWO OF THEM, UM, THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY FROM THE WINTER STORM URI, UH, KIND OF RESILIENCY CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING.
AND FROM A RESILIENCY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I, CAN I LOOK AT THAT IN A COUPLE OF WAYS.
ONE IS, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THESE TWO NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE LIST, BUT WHAT ABOUT EXISTING, UH, PROJECTS, CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY AND THEN MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY WINTER STORM YOU'RE IN NOW, AFTER THE FACT WE REALIZED, ARE WE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND SAY, OH, WE'VE NOT, WE'VE GOT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE, OR, YOU KNOW, UPDATE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS, HAS STAFF HAD TIME TO GO THROUGH THOSE OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO SEE HOW THEY'RE IMPACTED BY, UH, THESE STRATEGIES TO MAKE THEM MORE RESILIENT AND MORE FAULT-TOLERANT DURING THESE STORMS? UM, YES, YES, SIR.
UM, TO SPEAK MORE GENERALLY AS A CAPITAL PLAN AND NOT JUST OF, UH, UH, GROWTH PROJECT IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION DONE, WHICH IS, UH, THE LIST THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY, UM, WE HAVE ADDED, UH, AN ADDITIONAL $20 BILLION JUST SENDING, UH, TO THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL PLAN TO ACCELERATE, UH, SEVERAL PROJECTS, UM, FOR EXISTING CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THEN SOME, UH, EQUIPMENT PURCHASING, UM, AS AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, UH, TO, UH, THE RESULTS OF THE STORM.
UM, AND SO THOSE INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ELECTRICAL REDUNDANCIES, THE ADDITIONAL RESERVOIR BEFORE, UH, OUR BULK, UH, WATER TRUCK, UH, FOR DELIVERY, UM, AND THE ACCELERATION OF OUR SYSTEMS OPERATIONS, UH, CENTER.
UM, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL TIMES WE'RE STILL CONDUCTING THE AFTER ACTION TECHNICAL REVIEW.
UM, AND SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO LEARN, UH, FROM THE DATA AS WE PROCESS THAT.
AND WE HAVE ALREADY, UM, MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT SHIFTS.
UM, WE CAN START PRIORITIZING THOSE NEW RISKS THAT HAVE COME TO LIGHT BECAUSE OF THE THANK YOU.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS I'LL GIVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT HOW THE, THE GUESTS PIPELINE OF THE LAR THAT THAT PIPELINE WAS BROUGHT DOWN, UH, BY RANSOMWARE AND BY HACKERS THAT CAME IN.
AND SO THAT'S MY QUESTION, AS IT RELATES TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR WATER WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, HOW HAS THAT BEEN INFORMED BY THESE RECENT EVENTS WITH, IN TERMS OF HACKING AND RANSOMWARE ATTACKS ON OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR WATER, AND EVEN OUR WASTEWATER, I THINK IS CRITICAL TOO.
SO HOW, HOW, HOW IS STAFF ADDRESSING THAT CONCERN OR THAT ISSUE AS IT RELATES TO THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS? UM, SO OUR, UH, ALL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS, UH, CONTROLLED WITH A DATA SYSTEM.
THOSE, YOU KNOW, SUPERVISORY CONTROL AND DATA ACQUISITION, YOU KNOW, CONTROL SYSTEMS IS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PRETTY STANDARD INDUSTRY CONTROL SYSTEM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD LEAK OUR EQUIPMENT TOGETHER, OUR SENSORS TOGETHER AND SUCH, AND THOSE ARE ALL REPORTED BACK TO KIND OF CENTRAL DATA AREAS.
UM, AND TO THE BEST OF MY CURRENT KNOWLEDGE, NONE OF OUR SYSTEMS, UH, TOUCH, YOU KNOW, THE OUTSIDE INTERNET THAT WE HAVE A, A HARD FIREWALL BETWEEN OUR SYSTEMS AND THE OUTSIDE WORLD SUCH THAT LIKE LAPTOPS MUST BE CLEANED AND THEN HOOKED UP TO THE SYSTEM.
LIKE WE DON'T, WE DON'T INTERFACE BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR SECURITY PLAN HAS BEEN, UH, WORKING PRETTY WELL TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND THAT, UH, JUST OUR CONTROL SYSTEM,
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PARTICULARLY WITH THE ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON TO MOVE TO SMART METERS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND ATTENTION ON RIGHT NOW.AND, AND THE NEXT TIME AROUND, AS I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, I, I HOPE THAT WE COULD GET IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE PROCESS WITH A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME LINKS TO SOME BACKUP INFORMATION ON THESE PROJECTS, AND THEN MAYBE THE NEXT REPORT COULD TALK ABOUT, UH, THE HARDENING, THE RESILIENCY OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND THIS RANSOMWARE, THIS HACKING ISSUE, HOW, HOW THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH NOW VICE-CHAIR KIELBASA AND THEN DINKLER, AND THEN THOMPSON.
I WANT TO THANK YOU, UM, FOR BRINGING THIS AND I WANT TO THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON FOR, UM, TAKING IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I THOUGHT, WELL, I'M NOT REALLY SH I, I FELT THE SAME WAY.
AND EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION FOR, IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME.
UM, AND SO I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, I ASSUME THAT THERE ARE MORE PROJECTS THAT NEED, UM, HELP OR, YOU KNOW, NEED IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IS THERE A MATRIX THAT YOU COULD INCLUDE IN THIS, UM, FOR HOW YOU SELECT THESE PROJECTS? UM, I'LL EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON OUR CAPITAL BUDGET.
DID, IS, YOU KNOW, THIS ORDINANCE IS A VERY SPECIFIC SUBSET AS SET TO US TO REPORT ON, UH, TO Y'ALL.
UM, THIS IS PART OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR LARGER CAPITAL BUDGET.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO A ONE YEAR WITH A FOUR YEAR LOOK AHEAD, A FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, THAT GOES THROUGH A SERIES OF, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, THAT I'M SURE AURORA COULD EXPAND ON MORE, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT THAT IS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE CAPITAL BUDGET IN ITSELF IS, YOU KNOW, A MUCH MORE ROBUST LOOK AT WHAT AUSTIN WATER'S DOING.
THIS IS A VERY SMALL SUBSET OF OUR PROJECT.
OUR WHOLE CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, LIST IS, YOU KNOW, OVER 600 PROJECTS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING ACROSS THE CITY TO SPECIFICALLY GROWTH RELATED PROJECTS IN A CERTAIN GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
UM, AUSTIN WATER IS FUNDED FROM REVENUE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FUNDED BASED ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE NEED TO MAINTAIN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMISSIONS AND COUNCIL.
WELL, NOT ME, OF COURSE, BUT, UH, GREG AND HER WONDERFUL FINANCE TEAM, UM, JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIKE FUNDING CONSTRAINTS PER SE, THAT ARE PREVENTING US FROM DOING THE WORK THAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO, UM, TO DECREASE THE RISK, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ACROSS OUR SYSTEM TO ALL OF OUR, UH, CITIZENS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE PROVIDE SERVICE TO.
UM, SO WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCY AND, YOU KNOW, CYBERSECURITY AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THIS MAY NOT BE THE CORRECT VENUE FOR THAT.
UM, I, I CANNOT SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHICH THAT WOULD BE.
UM, BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAVING A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM TO KIND OF DIG IN MORE TO WHAT OUR WORK IS DOING.
UM, AND I'M SURE WE CAN GET YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT WHO IS NEXT GEN GLARE AND THEN THOMPSON? UM, YEAH, I THINK I, UH, THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS ALREADY ANSWERED, BUT PLEASE CONFIRM MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, THE NEW PROJECTS ON THE MAP ARE NOT PROJECTS THAT REPLACED PROJECTS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE PLAN.
THIS, THOSE NEW PROJECTS WERE ADDED BECAUSE OF THE, UH, RECENT ISSUES, UH, RELATING TO SNOWPOCALYPSE AND YURI, ET CETERA.
SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY REPLACING EXISTING CIPS, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITIONAL, UM, NEED TO ADDRESS OUR, OUR STORM.
SO AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THEY WERE IN LIKE YEARS, SIX OR SEVEN OF OUR CAPITAL PLAN.
SO THEY'VE BEEN ACCELERATED TO BEGIN, UM, YOU KNOW, IN YEAR ONE AND THEY, ALONG WITH THREE OTHER PROJECTS REPRESENT A $20 MILLION ADDER.
SO LIKE NOT A REPLACEMENT, AS YOU SAID TO OUR, TO THE CAPITAL PLAN THAT WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING.
UM, THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING IN TERMS OF COMMENT, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF YOU COULD PROVIDE, UM, AS, AS THE SUGGESTIONS HAVE BEEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S NEXT IN THE QUEUE.
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AND SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL INFORMATION TO HAVE.IT WOULD BE ALSO HELPFUL TO KNOW WHICH IS DRINKING WATER, WHICH IS BARTON CREEK, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF DELINEATION ON THE LIST THAT, THAT SHOWS THAT.
AND I REALIZE THIS IS BEING PUT TOGETHER BY THE FINANCIAL, UH, STAFF, UH, WHO ARE GREAT, BUT IT WOULD HELP ME GET THE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF ITS RELATION TO LAND USE.
AND I REALLY DO THINK WE NEED SOME EXPLANATION AS TO HOW IT TIES INTO IMAGINE AUSTIN, WHY THIS PROJECT VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHERS ON THE LIST.
UH, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, AND MAYBE SINCE MOST OF THESE PROJECTS DO FALL IN OUR AREA, WE COULD COME IN FIRST, UH, PC ANYWAY, WHO OF COURSE LOOKS AT THINGS, UH, BROADLY, BUT MOST OF THESE PROJECTS ARE USUALLY AN OUTLINE AND PLANNED AREAS.
SO I KIND OF THINK WE NEED TO BE MOVED UP A LITTLE BIT IN THE QUEUE.
UM, THAT'S JUST A COMMENT ON MY PART, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, MR. NICK THOMPSON, AND THEN WITTY.
AND I JUST WANT TO KIND OF ADD ON THAT.
NOT ONLY ARE THESE, UM, MOSTLY IN, IN OUR ZAP AREA, THEY'RE ALSO IN THE, UH, THE RETURN ZONE.
THAT'S ALSO IN OUR AREA AND THIS, UH, THIS POLICY CALLS ON US TO REVIEW THE EFFECT ON THE GROWTH WITHIN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE, WHICH I THINK IS A, YOU KNOW, A REAL NEXUS WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
SO I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION ON HOW, UM, HOW WE COULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS A WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THESE PROJECTS AND CONSIDER THEIR IMPACT ON GROWTH? DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT INFORMATION WE MIGHT LOOK FOR OR WHO WE MIGHT CONTACT TO GET THAT INFORMATION? UM, I, THE, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THESE ARE TERMS AS GROWTH.
AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DISTINGUISHED FROM, YOU KNOW, RENEWAL PROJECTS, WHICH IS, UM, THE MAJORITY, IF YOU DO.
AND WE DO GROWTH PROJECTS BECAUSE THERE IS KNOWN, YOU KNOW, INCREASING DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING.
UM, SO THERE'S NO SPECULATIVE NATURE, UM, IN OUR PROJECTS, UH, AS TO WHERE GROWTH MIGHT HAPPEN.
UM, WE WERE RESPONDING TO, YOU KNOW, FTRS AND INCREASED FLOWS IN LOCAL AREAS, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION YOU ALL HAD EARLIER, INCREASING, UM, DENSITY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE HAVE IMPACTS, SO THE PROJECTS ARE SCALED TO CURRENT DEED AND NOT, AND NOT, UM, PROJECTED NEED BASED ON DEVELOPMENT.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW YOU WOULD, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT WITH YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF GROWTH, WHICH I THINK IS MORE FUTURE, UH, LOOKING, UH, PERHAPS IN THEN THIS CAN HOPE TO BE OKAY.
WELL, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO SAY I REALLY, I MEAN, I LOVE THE WORDING OF THE POLICY AND I WOULD LOVE TO FIND A WAY TO HONOR THE INTENT.
AND SO I'D APPRECIATE JUST ANY THOUGHT YOU ALL COULD GIVE ON WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL WE COULD HAVE SO THAT WE COULD, IT PROVIDE THE TYPE OF FEEDBACK THAT WAS ENVISIONED IN THE POLICY.
AND I DO REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, UM, BEING AVAILABLE TONIGHT AND, AND SHARING, UH, THE BACKGROUND HERE, COMMISSIONER WOODY, I GUESS, LIKE YOU ALSO WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH US, UH, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PRESENT IT TONIGHT.
UM, MY QUESTION WAS, UH, SO IS THERE A MAP SORT OF, IS THERE, IS THERE A PROJECT LIKE THIS FOR THE EASTERN, UM, PART OF, UH, ASA, CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ETJ AREAS THAT ARE NOT COVERED, YOU KNOW, THEY PAY US IN TAXES, BUT THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T RECEIVE THE WATER SERVICES.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING, UH, I GUESS WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THE FEATURE FOCUS PORTION OF IT OR SHOULD BE CURRENT, SHOULD BE CURRENT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT SHOWS, UH, ANY PROJECTS TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE, ESPECIALLY SPECIFICALLY ETJ AUSTIN WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, FAR EAST.
I, I'M NOT SURE I CAN LOOK, UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT AVAILABLE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GROWTH RELATED PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS OUR, OUR WHOLE SERVICE AREA AND THEY ALMOST ARE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, IN THE FRINGES, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE GROWTH IS HAPPENING
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TYPICALLY.UM, SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED AND THERE CERTAINLY, I MEAN, I LIVE IN SOUTHEAST AUSTIN.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH.
UM, I'M, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN OF IT.
AND LIKE, LIKE AREAS LIKE, UH, AUSTIN'S COLLEGE, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR AUSTIN'S COLONY IS THERE, YOU HAVE LIKE, YEAH, OKAY.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT, WHERE THEY PAY, LIKE, I THINK IT'S LIKE BLUE BONNET WATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT AUSTIN, BUT THEY PAY LIKE AUSTIN TRASH SERVICES AND TAXES, BUT JUST, IT'S JUST STUFF LIKE THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, CA THE CITY ANNEXES AREAS, UM, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, ADD AREAS, UH, TO OUR SERVICE AREA, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UNLESS AN AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REACHED TO BRING THEM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF INTO THE FOLD, AND THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROJECTS, UH, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THAT.
AND I WAS JUST SAD THAT IF YOU, UM, IF YOU GOOGLE CITY OF BOSTON CAPITAL PROJECTS EXPLORE, UM, THE LINK WILL COME UP WHERE THEY AUSTIN, TEXAS, THAT GOV THAT SHOWS YOU NOT ONLY OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR AUSTIN WATER, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
UM, SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOME FILTERS AND THERE'S MAPS AVAILABLE ON THAT WEBSITE.
THAT'S PUT TOGETHER BY OUR CITY'S BUDGET OFFICE.
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MAP, I WAS LIKE, THESE ARE ALL ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT DRINKING WATER.
HE GOES THAT WHERE THE DRINKING WATER COMES FROM AND IT ROLLS THAT WAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE, UM, RETURN ZONE IS.
SO THAT, YEAH, THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER A LONG TIME AGO TO SPECIFICALLY REQUEST THAT WE ONLY LOOK AT THE ONES IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION, WHICH IS ONLY THE ONES EAST AUSTIN, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF CIP PROJECTS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY THERE, BABS DEVELOPED OF ALL THE DETAIL OF ALL THOSE.
BUT THIS WAS A VERY SPECIFIC ITEM, WHICH WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE OFFERING WATER AND WASTEWATER COMMISSION GOES INTO GREAT DEPTH ON ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
AND SO THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE GROUP MORE SO THAN US THAT REALLY GETS INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE USING THE BIRTH MONTHS.
I'M LOOKING AT IT, ENVIRONMENTAL PATIENT LOOKS AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT OF THE GROWTH ASPECT, BUT WE REALLY AREN'T LOOKING AT THE GROWTH ASPECT.
WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT A LIST AND A MAP.
AND I THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE HERE SEEKING CITIZEN INPUT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND A WAY TO GIVE THANK YOU.
AND WE DO HAVE, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A TIMELINE, WE WILL BE BRINGING THIS SAME PROJECTS TO THE WATER WASTEWATER COMMISSION, UM, JULY 14TH, AND THEN A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE SET BY COUNCIL ON JULY 29TH.
AND THEN WE WILL BE CONDUCTING A PLAVIX PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 11TH, UM, WHICH WILL BE IN, IN THE LIGHTENING WITH DART ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH WILL INCLUDE NOT ONLY THE SUBSET OF THE PROJECT THAT YOU SEE, BUT ALSO OUR ENTIRE CIP PLAN ALONG WITH OUR OPERATING BUDGET COMMISSIONER KING.
AND JUST REALLY QUICK, I JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M JUST SO GLAD THAT WE'RE DIGGING INTO THIS AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TRYING TO REALLY, UH, ACCOMPLISH THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.
AND, AND SO TO EXTENT AND COMMISSIONER THOMPSON'S POINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE NEXT ITERATION OF THIS.
IF WE COULD SEE THE GROWTH RELATED PROJECTS.
AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT, THAT, UH, THAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT, AND IT SAYS WHILE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY MAY BE ADDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS, THE INTENT OF THESE PROJECTS IS TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF EXISTING OR AGREED UPON FUTURE CUSTOMERS.
SO REALLY IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT LIKE TONIGHT, OR THE ONES THAT COUNCIL, IF THIS, IF THIS CASE TONIGHT GETS ALL THE WAY THROUGH COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE THAT PROJECT, THAT CASE WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS.
SO TO THAT END, I WOULD LIKE TO, AS COMMISSIONER THOMPSON IS ASKING TO KIND OF CONNECT THESE DOTS TOGETHER AND SEE HOW, HOW THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS, NOT, NOT IN MASS, BUT PROJECT ONE, HOW, WHICH GROWTH RELATED PROJECTS, WHICH CASES THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY APPROVED, DOES THAT TIE TO, AND I KNOW STAFF HAS TO HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION TO KNOW, OR WHERE SHOULD IT GO AND WHAT, HOW SHOULD IT BE SIZED AND ALL OF THAT, THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO I BELIEVE THEY PROBABLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN.
AND SO I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO BE HELPFUL FOR US TO SEE IF WE COULD SEE HERE'S THE CIP PROJECT LOCATION ON THE MAP.
OH, AND HERE'S ANOTHER THING YOU CLICK ON THIS LINK AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PROJECTS, THE RECENT PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE THAT WILL BE SERVICED BY THIS,
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THIS PROJECT.I THINK THAT KIND OF HELPS CONNECT THINGS TOGETHER, AND IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF US, THE PUBLIC, FOR THE COMMISSIONS FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONS.
SO I HOPE WE CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT ITERATION OF THIS, OF THIS, UH, THIS PROCESS HERE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON FOR BRINGING THIS UP TONIGHT.
SO IT FEELS LIKE OUR WE'RE DONE WITH THE DISCUSSION.
DO WE HAVE A, UM, A MOTION? CAUSE IT DOES THERE'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I BELIEVE TO LOOK BACK AT, I'M TRYING TO LOOK BACK, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS THE NEBRASKA.
UH, AND I WONDER IF IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO STAY IN, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME ON IT, BUT I THINK THERE'VE BEEN SEVERAL INJECTIONS LIT BY MR. THOMPSON HERE ABOUT HOW WE CAN TIE THE DOCUMENT, CONNECT THE DOTS.
THAT'D BE PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION TO SAY FOR THE NEXT ITERATION, OR WOULD WE MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION ON THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO KIND OF SHOW THE PROJECTS THAT ARE RECENT PARTS OF EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
I MEAN, FOR ME, YOU'RE ASKING STAFF TO DO A WHOLE LOT OF WORK WITHOUT THE FUNDING AND THE DIRECTION TO DO THAT.
THIS WAS GIVEN TO US FOR A SPECIFIC REASON.
AND I DON'T AGREE WITH ASKING STAFF TO DO A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF.
IT'S NOT EXPECTED IS BEHIND THAT.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH ALL THESE PROJECTS, NEED THEM ON LIVE THESE PROJECTS.
I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I DON'T.
AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, AT LEAST WE CAN DO THIS LATER ON.
MAYBE, MAYBE WE'LL ADDRESS THIS LATER ON.
I DON'T WANT TO SLOW THIS DOWN.
THIS, THIS MOTION IS RELATIVE TO THESE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
IT'S NOT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEN COMMISSIONER DINGLER HAS A, THE SAME COMMISSIONER SMITH.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE STAFF MUST ALREADY HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHICH DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE THAT THE CIP PROJECTS WILL SERVE.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST THAT KIND OF BASIC INFORMATION.
SO THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS TO JUST PUT, SHOW IT ON THE MAP, JUST SHOW IT WITH WHERE THESE CIPS ARE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S EXTRA WORK.
I THINK IT'S INFORMATION THEY ALREADY HAVE.
AND I DO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T MISS IT, REALLY HAVE THIS MAP THAT I'M ASKING FOR NECESSARILY.
SO THAT COULD TAKE SOME TIME, BUT I THINK IT'S VALUE.
IT'S WORTH IT FOR INFORMING THE PUBLIC AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ONEROUS.
I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A VOTE BECAUSE, UH, I JUST, I HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO, OKAY.
SO THERE'S SOME, MY DAUGHTER, I JUST WALKED IN.
SO THINK THERE, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING QUICKLY? YOU'RE ON MUTE? UH, I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF COMMISSIONER KING WAS ASKING FOR A POSTPONEMENT, UM, FOR THAT INFO.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE QUESTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REC OF, UM, APPROVAL OF THE RECOMMENDATION PER STAFF AND THOSE OPPOSED ABSTENTIONS.
SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION.
GOOD FEEDBACK FOR THE WATER UTILITY STAFF, FOR SURE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT MAP.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S READILY AVAILABLE.
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A CONSTANTLY CHANGING, UM, IT'S, I THINK IT IS, BUT, UM, I'M ALSO, I HAVEN'T WORKED THERE IN A LONG TIME, SO I DON'T KNOW.
[C. ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION]
IS DISCUSSION AND C ONE IS DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING MATTERS RELATED TO ANY PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE LDC, UH, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO STAFF UPDATES, PRESENTATIONS, SCHEDULING.I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING.
[D. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS (part 1 of 2)]
IS ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, MR. DINKLER AND I WAS WONDERING, THIS MIGHT BE THE WAY TO ADDRESS, UM, WHAT I HEARD COMMISSIONER THOMPSON AND KING TRYING TO GET TO, UM, I'M WONDERING IF OUR BACKUP, THE REESE BACKUP INFORMATION THAT WE GET, UM, FOR EACH ZONING CASE CAN REFLECT WHETHER THERE IS A CIP, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A PLANNED IMPROVEMENT FOR WATER OR WASTEWATER LINES OR, UM, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION, ANY KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE NEXT SAY THREE YEARS.UM, AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S, UH, UH, WE NEED TO DO THIS AS POTENTIALLY AN AGENDA ITEM, UH, TALK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THE STAFF FIRST, UM, LOOKING FOR A LITTLE GUIDANCE HERE.
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I THINK, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING WE COULD PUT ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS FURTHER, AND YOU WOULD NEED SOMEONE A CO-SPONSOR IT SOUNDS LIKE COMMISSIONER KING IS WILLING TO DO THAT.AND I'M HOPING COMMISSIONER THOMPSON MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THIS AS WELL.
I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST I'M HAPPY TO DO SOME CALLING IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.
I DON'T DON'T WANT US TO JUST TORTURE OURSELVES DREAMING UP THINGS.
AND, AND I'M HAPPY TO HELP OUT TOO, BECAUSE WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER WAS A, THERE IS IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THEY DO, OR I GUESS IT'S PLANNING AND HOUSING.
NOW, THEY, MAYBE IT IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICE.
THEY DO HAVE THESE FUTURE PROJECTS, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
THEY HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS THAT WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE, ALL I'M SAYING IS THIS, LET'S JUST TIE THE TWO TOGETHER, THE CIP MAP WITH THAT.
SO, AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY MORE WORK FOR OUR STAFF.
I KNOW, ARE THEY HAVE TOO MUCH ON THEIR PLATES ALREADY, SO ARE VERY RESPECTFUL AND APPRECIATIVE.
ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
I'M HAPPY TO DO SOME BACKGROUND WORK IN THE MEANTIME, TOO, ON THAT.
WOULD YOU COMMISSIONER THOMPSON AND FRANKFURT AS WELL AND BE HONORED.
I LOST INTERNET FOR A FEW MINUTES THERE.
UH, BUT GOING BACK FROM A REPEAT REASONABLY, I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE MORE, UH, DATA-DRIVEN CONVERSATIONS.
AND WE SEE MYSELF AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE IN THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WATER QUALITY THINGS.
I FEEL LIKE, UH, NO, ESPECIALLY AT THE KIND OF THE LAST CASE WE HAD AN APOLOGIST, IF I'M GOING TO BE GETTING TO LIKE FUTURE, DID I JUST PUT IT TO DISCUSSION? UH, BUT, UH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO GROUND SOME OF THESE THINGS MORE IN DATA, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY KNOWING WHAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CONTEXT FOR, UH, THE VARIOUS REGULATIONS, WHAT THE ZONING AREAS AND PREVIOUS COVER OR PROJECTS, UH, SO THAT WE'RE MAKING, UH, EMPLOYEE INFORMED DECISIONS WITH THE FULL CONTEXT AND NOT KINDA, UH, SPITBALLING A LITTLE BIT LESS.
[E. COMMITTEE REPORTS & WORKING GROUPS]
LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM, E E REPORTS AND WORKING GROUPS TO MEET, UH, LET'S SEE CODES AND ORDINANCES JOINT COMMITTEE.WE DID NOT MEET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE.
YOU GUYS MEET, BUT IT WAS A MEETING, BUT I DID NOT GET TO ATTEND, SO I'M NOT GETTING
UM, YEAH, I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND AND I DON'T THINK IT HAD TO GO ON, SO, UH, THE SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE, WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AT 10:00 AM.
UM, THE ONION CREEK AND LOCALIZED FLOODING WORKING GROUP.
WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAVE READY TO ADJOURN.
[D. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS (part 2 of 2)]
WE, HAVE YOU TRIED IT FOR THE COMMISSION? SO THAT AGAIN, I JUST WANT THE COMMISSION TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.WE ADDED THE ITEM ABOUT, UM, CIP, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND CIP OVERLAY, AND I BELIEVE, UH, KING DINKLER AND THOMPSON.
WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT TO BRING IT BACK NEXT TIME.
AND I DON'T KNOW, BRAY, IF YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, IS THERE A, MAYBE THIS COVERS THIS, BUT I WOULD, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DOES THIS ADD THAT AS PER VIEW OF LIKE, WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR PORTRAIT COMMISSION? BUT I THINK IF WE, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE ARE CITIZENS COMMISSION, UM, SOME OF US HAVE LIKE TECHNICAL BACKGROUND, UH, SOME OF US DON'T ON SPECIFIC THINGS THAT HAVE USED, WE'LL HAVE SOME, ANY KIND OF LIKE EDUCATIONAL, LIKE SOMEONE FROM WATERSHED, KIND OF GIVE US A BASIC OVERVIEW OF HOW ALL THESE THINGS INTRO PLAY.
UH, I KNOW I'M A PART OF ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT WE HAD A MEMBER OF AUSTIN WATERSHED, UH, SPEAK TWICE, AND IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL AND INFORMATIVE.
AND I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT COULD BE REALLY USEFUL FOR THAT COMMISSION.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I JUST PROPOSED SPECIFIC NAMES OR, UH, WHAT THE BEST COURSE FOR HER, BUT I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
CAN WE START, I HAVE A CALL WITH WATERSHED TOMORROW SCHEDULED SO I CAN INQUIRE ABOUT, UM, WHO MIGHT BE THE RIGHT PERSON FOR US TO REACH OUT TO, I'D BE HAPPY TO REPORT BACK AND, UH, MR. KING, I SAW YOU.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE PART OF THIS ITEM THAT WE JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE THAT STAFF COME IN AND HELP TO SPEAK, UH, ABOUT THAT ITEM AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AS YOU DESCRIBED THERE.
AND ESPECIALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW PRACTICAL THIS IS THE ABILITY TO BE USED.
SO THAT WAS LIKE, IF WE HAD A SHORTER MEETING WHERE YOU STILL HAD PLENTY OF BRAIN POWER AT THE END, IT MAY BE HELPFUL AFTER A 15 MINUTE MEETING, YOU KNOW, AFTER THREE HOURS.
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DO I NEED, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT OR A SECOND, OR I THINK TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, YOU JUST NEED TWO COMMISSIONERS TO BE THE SPONSORS.AND SO WE STARTED OFF WITH LAUREN KING AND THEN THOMPSON AND BRAY CHIPPED IN, AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO DISCUSS THE ITEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO POST IT FOR NEXT TIME.
AND I THINK WE MAY WAIT, YOU WERE ON YOUR, I COULD HEAR YOU AND THEN YOU PRESS MUTE.
I'M GOING TO WRITE A LITTLE STICKY NOTE AND PUT IT RIGHT ON THERE.
UM, I THINK WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, MY ISSUE IS TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION HAS INFORMATION ABOUT PROJECTED S UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE C I P E P PLAN THAT TIE TO OUR ZONING CASES.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT BE SUGGESTING COMMISSIONER BRAY IS GETTING A BRIEFING ON WATERSHEDS PROJECTS, CIP PROJECTS, AM I CORRECT? AND THAT CAN BE SIMPLY A PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION WITH A SECOND.
CO-SPONSOR AT A TIME THAT'S CONVENIENT FOR THE WATERSHED STEP.
AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY? I'D HAVE, I WAS THINKING MORE BROADLY ABOUT LIKE THE WATERSHED REGULATIONS, LIKE WHAT, HOW MUCH THEY MEASURE, LIKE, UH, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME STILL, ALL OF US HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS TO THIS.
UM, AND IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE, BUT GETTING A LITTLE MORE BRIEFING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, W WHERE DOES THE PREVIOUS COVER PLAY INTO THEIR PLANS? WHERE DOES INFRASTRUCTURE PLAY INTO THEIR PLANS? UH, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE ZONING, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT ANGLES ON QUESTIONS ON THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, PER SE MULTIPLE ONES, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONTEXT OR A LOT OF THESE WATER QUALITY DISCUSSIONS, UM, UH, BROADER BASED.
AND SO GETTING THAT PRESENTATION THROUGH EDUCATIONAL KIND OF BRIEFING YOUR SMITH.
UM, ONE THING WE USED TO DO ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION IS WE WOULD INVITE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO COME AND DO A FIVE OR 10 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BIG MEETING.
AND WE WERE VERY CAREFUL TO KEEP IT TO FIVE OR 10 MINUTES.
AND BY HAVING AN OPEN DISCUSSION AND BRING IT ON FOR YOU CAN, YOU CAN CARRY ON A CONVERSATION FOR AN HOUR TO JUST HAVE POSSIBLY UTILITIES COME IN FOR FIVE OR 10 MINUTES AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, WHAT THEY HAVE, WHAT THE RESOURCES ARE, WHO THEY CAN TALK TO THE CONTACT PEOPLE, AND JUST VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEY DO THE SAME THING FROM FLOOD MITIGATION, FROM WATER QUALITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL.
SO THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO JUST HAVE SOMEONE COME IN PERIODICALLY AND GET A FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION AND KIND OF GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED ON WHAT THAT DEPARTMENT DOES AND WHAT OUR RESOURCES WERE VERY HELPFUL.
SO DO WE WANT TO ADD TWO THINGS TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? ONE OF THEM BEING THE OVERLAY OF, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND ADJACENT, UM, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN A SECOND BEING KIND OF A WATERSHED DEPARTMENT, UM, LIKE INFORMATIONALS SESSION PRESENTATION, FIVE MINUTES.
CAUSE THERE ARE, LIKE YOU SAID THERE'S THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT DIVISIONS WITHIN.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MR IS INTERESTED IN BOTH FOR QUALITY, BUT ALSO MAYBE FLOODING AT SOME OF THE PREVIOUS COVER THERE.
SO THOSE MAY BE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS OR CERTAINLY IT'S VALUABLE THE COUSIN FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION.
COMMISSIONER KING, UH, COMMISSIONER BRAY, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I WANNA, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CO-SPONSOR THAT WITH YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, UH, HAVING KIND OF AN EDUCATIONAL SESSION, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING AT MY END, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO THE STAFF TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY DETERMINE THE IMPACT OF A PARTICULAR ZONING WOULD HAVE ON LIKE IMPERVIOUS COVER WOULD HAVE ON THE WATERSHEDS OR LOCALIZED FLOODING, THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES, KIND OF DRILL DOWN INTO THAT TO SEE HOW KIND OF RAISED THE HOOD AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS, HOW THEY COME, HOW THEY DETERMINE THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SORT OF ASKING? DEFINITELY A PART OF IT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO JUST BROUGHT HER BACKGROUND ON LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY LIKE, WHERE WOULD ZONING IN A PREVIOUS COVER INTERPLAY WITH AUSTIN WATERSHEDS, UM, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS, UH, YEAH, RIGHT.
AND I CAN SEE HOW THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THESE CIP PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I KNOW THERE'S A NEXUS BETWEEN THEM AT SOME POINT, BUT, UH, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IF
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WE GET TOO BROAD IN TERMS OF THIS OTHER AGENDA ITEM THAT WE JUST ADDED EARLIER ABOUT THE CIP AND THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SCOPE RIGHT THERE TO STAY FOCUSED ON.BUT THEN I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK IT WOULD BE LIKE, IT COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.
SO WHY DON'T WE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA AS A, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED THERE AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND LET'S BE SPECIFIC.
CAUSE WHAT WE CAN DO IS IF WE MAKE IT TOO BROAD AND WHEN DOES IT END AND AS COMMISSIONER SMITH HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OTHER WORK TO DO AND YOU KNOW, SO I LIKED THE IDEA OF KIND OF TIMEBOXING THIS, BUT, BUT WE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST ONE.
IT COULD BE, WE COULD DO LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A FIVE MINUTE SESSION, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF MEETING YES.
AND SO THAT WAY WE DO GET TO COVER, UH, A BROADER AREA, BUT JUST LITTLE BITES AT A TIME.
SO I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
I'M HAPPY TO CO-SPONSOR THAT KIND OF LEARNING SERIES WITH THE WATERSHED AND PERVIOUS COVER.
AND I DON'T KNOW YOUR, IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR ITEM.
SO I DON'T WANT TO MISREPRESENT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO HERE.
AND ANDREW HAS SUGGESTED THAT IF WE WANT, WE CAN EMAIL HIM THE CONTENT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE OUTLINE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THEN HE CAN HELP ARRANGE, UH, THE SESSIONS THAT WE ARE OKAY TO HAVE.
WELL, I'M HAPPY TO, UH, SECOND TO, UH, THE, UH, SUGGESTION FROM COMMISSIONER BRAY ABOUT HAVING THIS LEARNING SESSION FROM WATERSHED ON IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THE IMPACT IT HAS ON THE WATERSHEDS AND HOW THEY, HOW THEY DETERMINED THAT IMPACT.
ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE.
I SAW THE TAIL MADE AND Y'ALL THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANDREW, CAN I, ANDREW SI