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YOU? YEAH, NO, YOU'RE FINE.

UM, I MEAN, I IMAGINE A FEW MORE FOLKS WILL JUMP IN,

[Independent Citizen’s Redistricting Committee]

BUT IT IS THREE OH TWO AND WE DO HAVE NINE OUT OF OUR 14 COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

SO WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE CAN GET STARTED.

YEAH.

AND THEN ADAM, WILL YOU GOOD TO GO ON THE BROADCAST? OKAY.

YEP.

LET'S SEE.

CHART POINTS US.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TAKE ATTENDANCE OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? WELL, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE INDEPENDENT CITIZENS REDISTRICTING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER THIS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 2ND.

AND YES, MATT, COULD YOU PLEASE DO ROLL CALL YOU BET.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, UM, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY HERE I CALL YOUR NAME.

UH, CANNON MORRIS HERE.

HARDEN SNYDER.

GINA.

I THINK YOUR MICROPHONE IS MUTED DEMPSEY HERE.

GONZALEZ LANDS HERE.

LEE HERE.

KAMBO HERE CALLED THE WRONG HERE.

QUANTA'S HERE.

UH, LET'S SEE.

WHITNEY FITCH, UH, RESIGNED.

SO WE'LL HAVE AN OPENING, UM, YE HERE AND BLANK.

JOSHUA HERE.

I'LL GET YOU ON THE PHONE.

UH, I'M HALF I'M ON THE COMPUTER.

I'M WORKING MY WAY IN VISUALLY, BUT I CAN HEAR YOU AND SEE YOU.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

UM, YEAH, ADAM, OUR TECH SAYING, UM, WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET YOU ON THE SCREEN.

SO THANKS FOR, UH, THANKS FOR JOINING.

SINCE YOU STARTED ROLL CALL A FEW MORE PEOPLE JOINED.

OKAY.

LET'S SEE.

WHO WOULD HAVE THAT? DIDN'T GET ON HERE.

THAT'S LIKE CANON JOINED.

YEAH, ANON IS OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

OKAY.

SO EVERYBODY'S PRESENT EXCEPT FOR, UM, WHITNEY FINCH, WHO I, LIKE I MENTIONED, SHE RESIGNED, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, JUST YESTERDAY.

SO DO WE KNOW REASONS OR ARE BE ALLOWED TO KNOW OR WHAT HAPPENED? SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? UH, YES.

WHITNEY FINCH.

UM, SHE RESIGNED FROM THE ICRC.

OH YES.

AND, UM, OUR PLAN IS TO DISCUSS THAT LATER IN THE MEETING UNDER, UM, FUTURE ITEMS. YES.

UM, TO DETERMINE HOW TO GET OUR NEW, UM, CANDIDATE.

SO, UM, WHILE WE'RE ON THE AGENDA, MACT IS TAKE US THROUGH TODAY'S AGENDA.

AND THEN CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN NOW? UM, YEAH.

UM, OKAY.

UM, SO SINCE COMMUNICATION, WE HAVE TWO FOLKS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UM, APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES IS NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO IS OLD BUSINESS, UH, TO VOTE ON A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

UM, NUMBER THREE, UM, A IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ICEBREAKER B AS A PRESENTATION ON ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

SEE, IS REVIEW THE STAFF JOB DESCRIPTIONS FROM THE HIRING WORKING GROUP, UH, TO C D IS ESTABLISHING WORKING GROUPS.

AND THEN E IS UPDATES FROM THE CITY ON A NUMBER OF ITEMS. SO THE EMAILS, UM, HOW TO REQUEST, INCREASE THE BUDGET, UM, ICRC, WEB DOMAIN, SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT ACCESS, UM, HOW TO OBTAIN A CITY CREDIT CARD AND THEN CAN THE COMMISSION CONDUCT TRAININGS DURING A PROPOSED RETREAT AND THEN FEATURE AGENDA ITEMS. THANK YOU, MATT.

SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH CITIZEN COMMUNICATION AND JUST OVER REMINDER, IT'S THREE MINUTES FOR EACH SPEAKER.

AND IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE HOLD THEM TO THE END.

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YEAH.

FRED LEWIS.

YOU WANT TO GO? UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, YES.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, MY NAME IS FRED LEWIS.

I CO-WROTE THE INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION CHARTER LAW UNDER WHICH YOU ARE OPERATING.

I'VE BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR 35 YEARS.

I AND HUNDREDS OF OTHER PEOPLE WORK VERY HARD TO CREATE AN INDEPENDENT CITIZENS COMMISSION.

AND IN MY THREE MINUTES, I'LL TRY TO COVER SOME MAJOR POINTS THAT I THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW TO BEST UNDERSTAND YOUR JOB.

FIRST.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY AND PURPOSE OF THE INDEPENDENT COMMISSION BECAUSE IT'S CRITICAL IN THE 2012 ELECTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW THAT THE CITY OPPOSED CREATING AN INDEPENDENT CITIZENS COMMISSION.

THEY WANTED TO CONTROL THE DRAWING AND BUILD THEIR LINES FOR THEIR OWN.

THAT'S WHY THERE WERE TWO PROPOSITIONS ON THE BALLOT.

THERE WAS ONE AN INITIATIVE BY THE CITIZENS FOR TEN ONE WITH THE INDEPENDENT COMMISSION.

THEN THERE WAS THE ONE FOR THE CITY FOR AN EIGHT TO ONE SINGLE MEMBER, DISTRICT SYSTEM, AND AN ADVISORY COMMISSION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A TOOTHLESS COMMISSION, WHICH NO REAL AUTHORITY, WHICH THE CITY WOULD CONTROL OUR COMMITTEE.

OUR COALITION WANTED AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, IN MY OPINION, IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE REPRESENTATION RIGHTS OF THOSE HORRORS, HISTORICALLY EXCLUDED FROM CITY POWER AND WOULD NOT BE LISTENED TO IF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THROUGH THE LAWNS, THE VOTERS SPOKE, THEY CHOSE AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION, AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE HERE TODAY.

THE REASON WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION IS BECAUSE OF THE INHERENT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IN THE CITY OR THE CITY COUNCIL BEING INVOLVED IN THE DRAWING OF THE LINES.

AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SOLELY IN CHARGE OF THE PROCESS AND THE CHARTER AMENDMENT STRICTLY CONTROL YOUR AUTHORITY AND NO OTHER CITY LAWS.

UH, SO LET ME MAKE A FEW QUICK POINTS.

I'M HAVING TO RUSH ONE.

YOU MUST FOLLOW THE CHARTER STRICTLY AND SCRUPULOUSLY.

THIS IS NOT ONLY TO ENSURE YOUR INDEPENDENCE, BUT THE INTERFERENCE OF IMPARTIALITY, BECAUSE YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT IN THE DEMOCRACY.

YOU ARE DRAWING DISTRICTS AND PEOPLE ARE VERY SUSPICIOUS FOR RIGHTFUL REASONS IN A WORLD WHERE EVERYONE GERRYMANDERS, EXCEPT Y'ALL, YOU SHOULD REFER TO THE CHARTER CONSTANTLY.

IT SHOULD BE YOUR LOADSTAR, YOUR BIBLE.

QUR'AN WHATEVER, BUT IT SHOULD BE A YOU'RE EVER READY BECAUSE IT WILL DESCRIBE HOW YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THINGS.

I WILL PROMISE YOU HAVING WRITTEN IT, THAT EVERYTHING IN THERE IS DESIGNED FOR TWO REASONS TO CAREFULLY PROTECT YOUR INDEPENDENCE AND TO PROTECT THE RE THE REPRESENTATION OF THESE STORAGE, MARGINALIZED.

THAT'S WHY IT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

YOU DECIDE TO HEARING RULES AND PROCESS, AND IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AS OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.

THE CITY'S LAWS ON COVID THAT, UH, ONLINE CITIZENS COMMUNICATION, NONE OF THAT APPLIES TO YOU UNLESS YOU WANT IT TO.

AND FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO YOUR JOB APPROPRIATELY.

IF WE CONTINUE IN THE MANNER OF HAVING ONLINE HEARINGS WITH VERY LIMITED REAL PUBLIC INPUT.

THE SECOND THING IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU CHOOSE YOUR STAFF AND YOU DO IT QUICKLY.

I WILL TELL YOU, AND IT'S JUST THE TRUTH THAT THE LAST TIME WITH THE FIRST ICRC, THE CITY TRIED TO CONTROL THE COMMISSION THROUGH THE STAFF.

AND THAT IS WHY THEY IMMEDIATELY, AFTER THAT, GOT THEIR OWN STAFF, WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, I'LL, I'LL GO.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT BY MANY COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S THE APPEARANCE OF A REALITY YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

AND WITH THAT SAID, I WANTED TO WISH YOU GOOD LUCK.

AND I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT YOU ALLOW THE NAACP COALITION TO GET YOU BACK ROUND IN EXTENDED REMARKS ON THE HISTORY PURPOSES AND EXPECTATIONS OF THE ICRC.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

AND I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. LEWIS AND MR. YOUNG, ARE YOU THERE? CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? YUP.

YES.

OKAY.

YOU READY FOR ME TO MAKE MY PRESENTATION? OKAY.

YES.

GO AHEAD.

UH, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU, AGAIN, UH, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A GROWING COALITION,

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WHICH IS HEADED BY THE OFFICE AND NAACP, I'D HOPED THAT WE'D BE IN BEING BROUGHT TO THE FULL COMMISSION.

I REGRET THAT THE COMMISSIONER CHOSE TO RESIGN, BUT I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THE ALL DEAL WITH A MEMBERSHIP ISSUE.

AS YOU SEE FIT.

UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL SPECIFIC REQUESTS, WHICH I'LL GO THROUGH QUICKLY IN THREE MINUTES, BUT THE, ONE OF THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL COURSES THAT WE WISH TO APPEAR FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT A FUTURE DATE, PROBABLY YOUR MEETING ON THE 30TH, BUT FOR NOW, LET ME GO THROUGH, UH, THIS INFORMATION, UH, AT MY POINTS, UH, AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE.

FIRST, WE THINK YOU NEED TO END THESE ONLINE MEETINGS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

UH, WE THINK THESE ARE EXCLUSIONARY IN TERMS OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, AND WE DO NOT THINK ARE NECESSARY AS, UH, UH, THE 31ST, UH, INFORMATION FROM THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SHOWED THAT 53% APPROXIMATELY OF ALL AUSTINITES ALL TRAVIS COUNTY.

SO IT DOESN'T GRAB IT AND HAVE BEEN FULLY VACCINATED.

AND APPROXIMATELY 74% OF FOLKS OVER 65, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE 53% IS THAT THAT INCLUDES PEOPLE LIKE CHILDREN, UH, THAT CANNOT BE VACCINATED YET.

UH, WE, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SET MEETINGS AND LOCATIONS AT YOUR DISCRETION.

THEY TH THEY WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY STAFF, THERE'S ONLY THREE LOCATIONS.

THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION WE WORKED WITH HOW TO USE A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS.

WE THINK THERE CAN BE RULES SET, UH, THAT CAN BE BOTH, UH, SAFE AND ALSO AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST REPEAT PLACES THERE WEREN'T, UH, FRANKLY, EIGHT YEARS AGO.

AND WE DON'T THINK THEY'RE JUST THREE NOW.

AND WE THINK YOU CAN FIND THOSE WITH THE COOPERATION OF THE CITY.

SECOND, UH, WE THINK YOU OPERATE UNDER TWO MAJOR MANDATES ONE UNDER THE ARTICLE THAT SETS US UP SECTION THREE, UH, SEE IT'S THE OBJECTION.

SEE, PARAGRAPH ONE THAT YOU CONDUCT AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS, ENABLING FULL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THE DRAWING OF THE DISTRICT LINES, WHICH IS THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER.

AND WE DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT THROUGH VIRTUAL MEETINGS, UH, TO, UM, THERE'S A SECTION THAT REQUIRES YOU TO FOLLOW, UH, SEVEN RANK ORDERED CRITERIA, UH, WHICH IS SECTION THREE E OR THE CHARTER.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO THOSE NOW, BUT WE DO THINK THAT YOUR SECOND MAJOR MANDATE, FINALLY, AS WE SAID, WE WANT TO MEET, MEET WITH YOU IN PERSON, UH, TO THE STRESS, THE NEED FOR A TRULY INDEPENDENT STAFF THAT IS HIRED AND DIRECTED BY YOU.

WE THINK ALSO WE WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THE TIMELINE THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET, UH, IN HIS VERY SPECIFIC AND THE CHARTER, UH, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HOLD AT LEAST 16 PUBLIC MEETINGS, 10 IN INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS, AND THEN AT LEAST SIX MORE AFTER YOU, YOU ARE SET UP FOR MORE, SIX MORE AFTER YOU, OR BESIDE, UH, A PRELIMINARY PLAN AND A FINAL PLAN.

UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT, UH, IF WE ARE ALL CORRECT AND YOU DON'T GET DATA UNTIL SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER, UH, WE WANT TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU, UH, BECAUSE FRANKLY YOU CAN CAN HOLDING MEETINGS VERY SOON AND THE DISTRICTS, BUT YOU NEED A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE DEADLINE, TO HAVE A PLAN READY BY NOVEMBER 1ST TO PREVENT, PREVENT THE STAFF FROM GOING TO MAPS FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE CITIZENS COMMISSION, AND HAVING THEM PUT IN PLACE BY JUDGE, YOU WOULD ALSO NEED TO TALK TO YOUR ATTORNEY, UH, WHEN YOU HIRE ONE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN GET, UH, UH, ACTION BEFORE COURT TO GIVE YOU A DEADLINE, PASS THE ONE SET IN THE CHARTER BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

UH, UH, FINALLY OUR OBJECTIVE WILL BE FOCUSED ON FOR MINORITY DISTRICTS THAT WE THINK THE DATA WILL, WILL SHOW IT THE POSSIBLE TO BE DRAWN.

UH, WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO ADVISE YOU ON DISTRICTS, OUTSIDE THE MINORITY COMMUNITY.

AND WE WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT TO HIM, UH, IN DETAIL OF NOT JUST SAYING, WELL, I JUST HAVE THE MEMBERS OF OUR COALITION HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN THE IDEA OF BEING RABID REPRESENTATION.

SOME OF US WERE OVER 40 YEARS.

UH, WE WERE INVOLVED IN THE DRAFTING AND THE PASSAGE OF THIS PROVISION.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE INVOLVED WHO HAVE ALMOST 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

UH, AND WE SIMPLY WANT TO WORK WITH YOU NOT TRY TO INFLUENCE YOUR DECISIONS, BUT TO TRY ASSIST THE COMMISSION AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT WHILE WE CAN ALSO SEE YOU.

AND YOU CAN ASK US QUESTIONS

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AND WE ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO YOU SOON THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS WITH A FOCUS ON THE MINORITY DISTRICTS.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE CAN ALL BE TOGETHER IN ONE ROOM.

OPEN QUESTION.

YEAH.

UM, SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER OF OUR SPEAKERS, UH, FRED LEWIS OR PECK YOUNG QUESTIONERS? YES.

JEAN MR. SNYDER.

YOU ARE ON MUTE, SIR.

WELL, I SAY YES.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

WHAT WE ARE CALLING THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE GET ALL TO BE TOGETHER.

YEAH.

I'M GOING TO BE GOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER OF OUR SPEAKERS? UH, FRED LEWIS.

YEAH.

NO, NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU ALSO.

YOU SHOULD PROBABLY MUTE THE, YEAH.

GENE LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE STILL MUTED.

WELL, COMMISSIONER SPATTERS IS FIGURE THAT OUT.

MAYBE WE SHOULD BEFORE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS TODAY.

SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON AGENDA ITEM ONE THAT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING? AND IF NOT, I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO DO THAT.

NOW, ADAM G I'D LIKE TO MOVE, I'M SORRY.

QUESTION.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL.

YES, PLEASE.

DO I MOVE THAT? WE MOVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN BACK AT THAT MOTION.

OKAY.

UM, SO ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES, PLEASE SAY, AYE, AND RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE PASSED THE UNANIMOUSLY.

THANKS EVERYBODY.

SO I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER.

UM, WE'LL ACTUALLY SKIP TWO FOR NOW.

WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT, UH, OLD BUSINESS AT THE END, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, NEW BUSINESS, THREE A, UH, THIS IS THE ICE BREAKER, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR VICE CHAIRS IN SOLIDS TO TAKE THIS PART.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER POINT, THIS, UH, THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT MORE AS A GROUP OF PEOPLE, AS OPPOSED TO COMMISSIONERS WITH, WITH A LOT OF WORK TO DO SO.

UH, AS ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS NOTED, UH, VACCINATION RATES IN THE CITY ARE, ARE GOING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION.

PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING, PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN AT RESTAURANTS.

IT JUST BEGS THE QUESTION.

UM, WHAT DO YOU HOPE RETURNS TO NORMAL QUOTE, UNQUOTE NORMAL IN A POST COVID WORLD.

AND WHAT DO YOU HOPE NEVER RETURNS TO NORMAL? AND I'M JUST GOING TO CALL ON FOLKS AS I SEE ON THE SCREEN.

UM, COMMISSIONER MORRIS, YOU'RE UP FIRST, SIR.

UH, I GUESS IT'S PROBABLY EVERYBODY THINKS THE SAME THING.

UM, TRAVEL'S PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT I, UH, HOPE GOES BACK TO NORMAL BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WANT TO DO SOME TRAVELING THIS YEAR SINCE I DIDN'T GET TO DO MUCH LAST YEAR.

UM, AND THEN, UH, NOT GOING BACK TO NORMAL, UM, PROBABLY WORKING FROM THE OFFICE.

UH, I DIDN'T LIKE WORKING FROM HOME AT FIRST, BUT I'VE GOTTEN A LOT MORE

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USED TO IT.

SO DEFINITELY HELPED THAT.

DOESN'T GO BACK TO NORMAL NOW, SOME I WANT TO, YEAH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MANY FOLKS HAVE A SIMILAR RESPONSE AS YOU DO.

UM, UH, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER WITH IS WHAT RETRANS NORMAL, WHAT DOES NOT, I'LL TRY TO SAY SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID, BUT CHRIS YOU'RE MORRIS, UH, I HOPE WE CAN RETURN TO HUGGING PEOPLE.

UM, AS FAR AS WHAT I HOPE DOES NOT RETURN TO NORMAL, I, UM, AUSTIN TRAFFIC, ALTHOUGH I THINK IT KIND OF ALREADY HAS, I WOULD HAVE TELL YOU, I DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU THERE.

UM, COMMISSIONER DEMPSEY.

UM, I, I THINK, UM, I'M GOING TO GO WITH TRAVEL TO GO BACK TO NORMAL AND I WOULD LOVE TO NOT HAVE TO TEST NUMEROUS TIMES TO LEAVE AND COME BACK.

UM, AND WHAT I REALLY DON'T MISS AT ALL IS TRAFFIC AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS COMING BACK.

BUT WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT THE EARLY MORNING AND THE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE O'CLOCK, IT'S KIND OF CONSISTENT NOW.

SO I GUESS I'M GOING TO GO WITH THOSE TWO TIMES TO NEVER EVER COME BACK BECAUSE THEY WERE THE WORST.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER LANDS.

I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER LANDS IS STILL WITH US.

I BELIEVE THAT, UM, UH, I LIKE THE, I LIKE, WHAT WOULD I CALL A NEW NORM WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS IN A HYBRID FORM, BOTH IN-PERSON AND ONLINE.

UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT WE GO BACK TO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE WILL EVER GO BACK TO WHATEVER IT WAS.

MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T EVEN THINK MOST PEOPLE REMEMBER, UH, WHAT REALLY WAS, UM, AND SO I'M SORT OF, UH, EXCITED ABOUT CUTTING NEW GROUND.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LENS, MICHELLE HARDEN.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

UM, WHAT I LOOK FORWARD, UH, GETTING BACK TO HIS NORMAL INTERACTION AND ENGAGEMENT WITH FAMILY MEMBERS, FAMILY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF TRADITIONAL OBSERVANCES THAT WE DID NOT DO, UH, AS A FAMILY IN 2020.

LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING BACK TO THAT.

UM, WHAT I HOPE DOES NOT RETURN IS THE, UH, LACK OF SOCIAL DISTANCING.

UH, SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE A BIT BOLOMETER OR SAFFORD GOVERNANCE WITH REGARDS TO ENCROACHING ON PERSONAL SPACE.

AND I FOUND GREAT JOY IN SOCIAL DISTANCING TO, TO HAVE MY AIRSPACE AROUND THEM.

SO I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT UP.

I'M DEALING WITH IT.

I WILL HAVE TO AGREE AND ECHO WITH THAT STATEMENT, SIR.

UM, COMMISSIONER SNYDER.

YOU'RE YOU'RE CURRENTLY ON MUTE.

SORRY.

DO YOU SEE THE NEW ON, I WOULD ASK MAYBE THAT THE, IN YOUR SETTINGS OF THE AUDIO, IF YOU KNOW HOW TO CHANGE, THAT MAY BE LOWER OFF BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU DO NOT SHOW UP TO BE ON MUTE.

NO.

UM, MATT, IS THERE ANYONE THAT COULD MAYBE CONTACT COMMISSIONER SNYDER ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, THE VOLUME OUTPUT ON HIS END? YEAH.

I'LL GIVE HIM A CALL.

I APPRECIATE IT, SIR.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT FIXED FOR YOU AND WE WILL WE'LL CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU, UM, COMMISSIONER KANAAN QUESTION OF NORMAL AND NOT, NOT BACK TO NORMAL.

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT NORMAL IS ANYMORE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW MY PARENTS, MY PARENTS LIVE, UH, IN INDIA AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SEE THEM AND THEY TO BE ABLE TO VISIT ME.

SO IT'S BEEN REALLY TOUGH AND I WISH THAT I COULD JUMP ON A PLANE AND GO SEE THEM.

WE USED TO HAVE A FAIRLY DECENT KIDS OF VISITING, YOU KNOW? UM, I WISH THAT WOULD GO BACK TO NORMAL FOR ME.

I THINK I WOULD REALLY

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PATIENT WITH THAT.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE MY GRANDMA'S 99.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG SHE HAS.

SO IT'S BEEN KIND OF TUFTS THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO SEE HER.

SO TO ME, I WISH THAT WOULD GO BACK TO NORMAL, YOU KNOW, TERRIBLE.

IT TRAVELED IN A WAY, IT CUTS YOU OFF FROM PEOPLE.

AND I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, THESE MEETINGS ARE WORKS WELL, WE HAVE TO GO TO A HYBRID FORMAT.

UM, UH, BUT I BIODEGRADE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONAL LANES TOO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE'S, THERE'S A HYBRID FORMAT.

I THINK WE HAVE TO ADAPT AND FIGURE OUT VERY QUICKLY HOW WE DO THIS IN-PERSON MEETING AND HOW WE MEET PEOPLE IN PERSON TO ME EVERYTHING'S CHANGES CONSTANTLY.

SO I I'M JUST LIVE IN THE MOMENT.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT MY THERAPIST TELLS ME.

I'M LIVING IN THE MOMENT DURING THAT TO PLAN TOO FAR AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

UH, MISSIONARY, THAT'S GOT THAT ON.

HEY, Y'ALL UM, I REALLY ENJOYED, UM, SOME OF WHAT Y'ALL SAID.

I'M TOTALLY WITH YOU ON THE SOCIAL DISTANCING AND THE BREAKING NEW GROUND.

I WOULD LOVE THAT.

UM, I USED TO DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS, WHICH WAS FUN MOSTLY, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE PARKING.

SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO MEET PEOPLE AGAIN, ALTHOUGH IT KIND OF GROSSES ME OUT CAUSE WE WERE IN A LOT OF LIKE REALLY SMALL SPACES.

UM, SO IT KIND KINDA GIVES ME A LOT OF STRESS.

UM, AND YEAH, I THINK, UM, WHAT I HOPE DOESN'T CHANGE IS THAT PEOPLE STOP WASHING THEIR HANDS.

UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, AND LIKE COUGHING AROUND WHEN THEY'RE SICK, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HAD A FULL APPRECIATION FOR HOW GROSS PEOPLE WERE UNTIL THE PANDEMIC GOT OUT OF CONTROL.

SO I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO USE GOOD HYGIENE AND WEAR MASKS SOMEWHERE SAFE.

UM, SO YEAH.

UM, ALL GREAT ANSWERS COMMISSIONARY.

OH, UH, LET'S SEE.

I, I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING TOGETHER WITH PEOPLE INDOORS AS MUCH AS I LIKE BEING OUTDOORS.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DO MISS.

UM, AND, UH, ONE THING THAT I HOPE WE KEEP IS I FEEL LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, PAST, OVER A YEAR WITH THE PANDEMIC AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, AN INSURRECTION, I THINK IT'S KIND OF TAUGHT US TO, UH, AS A COUNTRY AND A COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT FACTS AND ARE, ARE EVER EVOLVING AND THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND TO, I GUESS, THINK CRITICALLY AND HAVE AN OPEN, OPEN MIND, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT I HOPE WE, WE DON'T LET GO OF COMMISSIONER LONG.

HI.

YEAH.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, SEEING PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR MASKS AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, A STRANGER SMILING AS YOU'RE GROCERY SHOPPING OR DRIVING ON THE STREETS.

UM, I'VE DEFINITELY DO NOT LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, PEOPLE, UM, NOT COUGHING INTO THEIR ELBOWS OR DOING THE TRACK.

LAKOFF RIGHT.

UM, SO DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, BUT, UH, YEAH.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

WELL I THINK YOU CAN TALK ON THE PHONE, I GUESS COMMISSIONER SNYDER.

ACTUALLY, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW TELL ME THE NUMBER INSTEAD OF EMAIL.

WHAT IS THE NUMBER? WHO IS YOUR SNYDER? CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU UNLESS I HAVE THE HEADPHONES ON.

YEAH.

NOW CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR.

I CAN.

OH, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN, ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU I'M JEAN SCHNEIDER THAT WHO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO? YES, SIR.

THAT'S UH, SORRY.

COMMISSIONER GONZALES.

UH, UM, I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD GET THERE, UH, HEADPHONES FIXED OR THE AUDIO THICK.

THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE CASE.

SO I'M GOING TO PUNT THE QUESTION BACK TO YOU.

UM, WHAT DO YOU HOPE GOES BACK TO NORMAL POST COVID AND WHAT DO YOU HOPE NEVER GOES BACK TO NORMAL? I HOPE SOCIAL DISTANCING NEVER GOES BACK TO NORMAL AND I HOPE THAT, UM, I CAN NOT NEED TO DEPEND UPON MY SON TO BUY MY GROCERIES.

I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT MYSELF AND I HAVE BEEN DOING THAT MYSELF FOR THE LAST MONTH AND IT'S ALL OF US ARE APPROPRIATELY VACCINATED.

AT LEAST WE THINK WE ARE, AND WE THINK IT'S ALL APPROPRIATE.

WE TRUST IT'S ALL APPROPRIATE AND WE'RE ALL VACCINATED, I GUESS.

THAT'S IT FOR THE MOMENT.

YEAH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

HAPPY, HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOUR AUDIO IS WORKING.

UM, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.

YEAH.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

UM, SO

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I THINK BASICALLY EVERYONE ELSE HAS SPOKEN OR ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE.

SO, UH, MOST OF IT IS TAKEN, BUT YEAH, BACK TO NORMAL, JUST TRAVELING IN IS BIG FOR ME AND BEING ABLE TO VISIT, YOU KNOW, FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

UM, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WHO CANNOT GET THE VACCINE FOR SOME OTHER HEALTH REASONS.

SO EVEN THOUGH I'M FULLY VACCINATED, I STILL DON'T, DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN CONTACT WITH THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO JUST REALLY HOPING FOR THAT HERD IMMUNITY TO KICK IN.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I REALLY LIKED WHAT COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER YE WAS TALKING ABOUT AS WELL.

I THINK, UM, RACIAL HEALTH, SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DISPARITIES HAVE REALLY BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND SEE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE UPON THOSE THINGS.

UM, AND ALSO I'VE JUST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND DIFFERENT EVENTS AND MEET PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE U S BECAUSE, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, SOME OPENINGS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PERFORMERS OR THAT KIND OF THING, UM, WHERE WE CAN ALL JUST COME TOGETHER ACROSS THE U S UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS SEEN THE SHOW ON NETFLIX, IT'S CALLED MAGIC FOR HUMANS.

UH, HE'S A MAGICIAN JUST IN WOMAN, UH, RIGHT BEFORE THE SNOW STORM.

I GOT A CHANCE TO SEE ONE OF HIS PERFORMANCES.

IT'S LIKE A FAMILY SHOW ONLINE.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO.

UM, IF HE HADN'T OPENED IT UP, UH, TO AN ONLINE FORMAT.

SO I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES REMAIN.

I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE ALSO GOTTEN JOBS ONLINE THAT ARE INTERNATIONAL.

UM, SO DEFINITELY, YEAH, ALL THE EXTRA OPPORTUNITIES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM REMAIN.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

I'M GOING TO ASK THAT MATT, JOIN IN ON THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL, MATT, UH, WHAT DO YOU HOPE GOES BACK TO NORMAL AND WHAT DO YOU HOPE IS NOT? OH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, YEAH, FIRST ONE TO SAY, I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING REALLY WELL.

SO, UM, FIRE IT UP.

UM, YEAH, DEFINITELY FEEL SAD.

UM, UH, BUILDING ON THAT, UM, A RECENT, LIKE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE PANDEMIC WITH GEORGE, GETTING KILLED WITH, UM, WHAT THE ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL, LIKE NATIONALLY, WE'RE JUST UNDER THIS TRAUMA IS A, IT'S A COUNTRY SO HOPE THAT, UH, WE CAN GET AWAY FROM THAT AND GET BACK TO, UM, UH, A BETTER PLACE.

AND THEN, UM, AND THEN NOT GO BACK TO, UH, DEFINITELY ENJOY WORKING FROM HOME.

THAT'S JUST BEEN, UH, A GAME CHANGER.

SO, UH, DON'T MISS DON'T MS. AUSTIN TRAFFIC.

DON'T MISS GOING INTO THE OFFICE.

SO, UH, YEAH.

THANKS.

THANKS MATT.

AND BEFORE I TURN IT BACK OVER TO CONDITIONER OF WINDOWS, UM, I NEVER, I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BE AN AUSTIN TRAFFIC AT 8:00 AM OR 5:00 PM.

I KNOW PEOPLE SAID THAT, BUT NEVER, I GOT CAUGHT ON OPAC RECENTLY AT 3:00 PM AND WE'LL STOP THERE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF.

I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT.

UM, BUT I DO MISS HOW YOU, MY FAMILY MEMBERS, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY OF MY FAMILY IN 16 MONTHS, 15 MONTHS, AND I HAVE THREE NIECES WHO WERE BORN IN A PANDEMIC WHO I'VE YET TO MEET.

UM, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THEM SOON.

UM, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR YOUR, UM, YOUR INPUT.

AND I HOPE WE CAN GET BACK TO THAT, WHAT YOU HOPE TO, UH, RETURN TO NORMAL VERY SOON, UH, COMMISSIONER POINT, THIS I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.

UH, WE FEEL IT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, AS A COMMISSION MAKE THIS CONCERTED EFFORT TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, SINCE WE HAVE BEEN MEETING REMOTELY, UM, WE HOPE TO VERY SOON DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF MEETING IN PERSON OR AT THE VERY LEAST STARTING WITH A RETREAT.

UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

SO, UM, BACK TO THE AGENDA, WE ARE ON ITEM THREE B THE PRESENTATION ON ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS TABLED UNTIL NEXT TIME, UM, THAT WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR THE JUNE 16TH MEETING.

BUT DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS ON ITEM THREE B BEFORE WE MOVE TO THREE C UM, WILL IT BE REPORTED LIKE, WELL, I HAVE ACCESS TO IT IF ALL OF OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND AVAILABLE ON THE CITY.

YES.

YEAH.

AND THE TRAINING WILL TAKE PLACE IN OUR MEETINGS, SO.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UM, ON 3D ROBERT'S RULES BEFORE WE MOVE ON? UM, CAN I GO AHEAD? UH, I, I THINK I MIGHT'VE SHOWN AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING I ATTENDED.

I DO HAVE, IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF ME NOW, BUT I DO HAVE A BOOK, UM, THAT I RECEIVED FROM ACC WHEN I STARTED STUDENT GOVERNMENT THERE.

AND IT IS A BOOK ABOUT ROBERT'S RULES OF

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ORDER.

UM, SO I'M NOT SURE ARE YOU PLANNING ON GIVING LIKE A CHEAT SHEET OR MAYBE EVERYBODY CAN RECEIVE ONE OF THE SMALL COPIES? UM, I DUNNO, I FIND IT HELPFUL TO HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION, UH, COMMISSIONER COMBO, AND I MADE A NOTE OF THAT.

UH, WE WILL HEAR FROM A, UH, A PARLIAMENTARIAN, UH, WE'RE IN TOUCH WITH A PARLIAMENTARIAN PROFESSIONAL REGISTERED PARLIAMENTARIAN TO DO THE TRAINING, BUT HAVING SOME SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS ON HAND WOULD DEFINITELY COME IN HANDY FOR ALL OF US, UM, MYSELF AS WELL.

I'M NEW TO ALL OF THIS, UM, THE PROCEDURES.

SO, UM, THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO AGENDA ITEM THREE C AND I HOPE THAT ALL OF US HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE THREE JOB DESCRIPTIONS FROM THE HIRING WORKING GROUPS TO LEGAL COUNCIL DOCUMENT, THE ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGER DOCUMENT AND THE MAPPING CONSULTANT DOCUMENT.

UM, SO WHAT COMMENTS DO WE HAVE FROM COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THESE JOB DESCRIPTION DOCUMENTS OR HOW TO POST THESE JOBS DESCRIPTION DOCUMENTS? MY HOPE IS THAT WE WILL APPROVE THESE DOCUMENTS IN SOME WAY FOR THIS RFP, UH, SO THAT WE CAN START GETTING IT OUT TO FOLKS AND, UH, AND HAVE CANDIDATES APPLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT IN CHAIR IS THAT, UM, W WE'RE TARGETING, UH, NOVEMBER AS A, UH, AS A DELIVERABLE WE'RE IN JUNE.

AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A STAFF, SO THAT'S AT LEAST THREE TO FOUR WEEKS OUT, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WILL PERHAPS BE ABLE TO GET BUSY IN JULY.

UM, SO ALTHOUGH THIS IS REALLY TANGENTIAL TO THE STAFF DISCUSSION, BUT, BUT I THINK WE ALL, WE REALLY SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PERMITTED, EVEN THE CHARTER OR GETTING SOMETHING ELSE DONE, UH, FOR US TO, UM, IT HAD THE, THE TIME EXTENDED, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DOUBLE UP ON THE MEETING, WHICH MEANS THAT WE MIGHT NEED DOUBLE STAFF.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LANDS.

UH, WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH, AS WE PROMISED BY THE VICE CHAIR, AND I, UH, HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE FORMER ICRC CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

AND IN 2013, THEY WERE RUNNING ON ALMOST THE SAME TIMELINE AND THEY WERE DESCRIBING IT AS A NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TIMELINE, UM, AT THAT POINT.

AND, UM, AND SO, YES, THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT JOB DESCRIPTIONS.

BUT, UM, I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, ON A PLAN TO, YES, DOUBLE UP MEETINGS, UM, AS, AS MANY AS, AS TWO MEETINGS A WEEK FOR US, IN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HOLD IN EACH DISTRICT.

UM, SO THAT IS WHAT THE PREVIOUS ICRC COMMISSION DID.

AND THAT IS LIKELY WHAT WE WILL ALSO HAVE TO DO TO MAKE THE NOVEMBER 1ST DEADLINE, WHICH IS IN THE CITY CHARTER.

THANK YOU.

YOU MENTIONED THE LANDS TO THIS, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WERE WORKING ON THIS.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAYBE SUGGEST THE NOTION OF MEETING IN PERSON IF EVERYONE'S, OR WE COULD DO A SURVEY OR SOMETHING QUICKLY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS STAND ON MEETING IN PERSON AND FOR US TO DO SOME SESSIONS TOGETHER, LIKE MAYBE START TO WHITEBOARD WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT SOME LEVEL AND DO SOME WORK BREAKDOWNS, BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

AND I KNOW ALL OF THOSE ARE ACTIVELY WAITING TO KIND OF START JUMPING IN AND DOING OUR PART.

SO IT MISSIONARY ON, ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

YES.

OKAY.

CAN I SHARE, CAN I TAKE SOME MOTION? SORRY, GO AHEAD.

OH, NO, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

YOU CAN PARAPHRASE FOR ME.

I'M HAPPY FOR, LET ME DO.

I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTIONS.

OH, OKAY.

GO AHEAD.

AND THEN I GOT THERE, UH, COMMISSIONER LANES WAS STAKING HIS HEAD, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF I BELIEVE HE'S I NEED TO MAKE IT MYSELF.

YOU CAME PARAPHRASE FOR ME.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

LET'S TRY TO READ INTO THE BODY.

OKAY, PERFECT.

UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ASK THE EXISTING MEMBERS TO SEE WHAT, HOW COMFORTABLE THEY ARE IN MEETING IN PERSON FOR THE NEXT ROUNDS, OR EITHER SEND AN OFFLINE SURVEY OR ASK NOW.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ASKING NOW IS PUTTING PEOPLE

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ON THE SPOT.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PULL THE COMMISSIONERS ON THEIR WILLINGNESS TO MEET IN PERSON.

SO COMMISSIONER, THE COMMISSIONER CANNOT IS MAKING A MOTION TO, UM, REQUEST OUR VOTE ON MEETING IN PERSON.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

I VOTED AT A SPEED IN PERSON THAT, UH, IF WE'RE MEETING TWICE A WEEK, I VOTE THAT WE DON'T MEET BOTH OF THOSE IN PERSON.

LIKE MAYBE ONE IN-PERSON TO VIRTUAL.

YEAH.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED.

I MEAN, I THINK I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.

LIKE, I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THESE MEETINGS IF WE'RE DOING THEM ALL IN PERSON FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED TRAFFIC AND PARKING THINGS WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT.

UM, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WHO WAS TO KIND OF LIKE, MAYBE WE CAN, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ADD THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE END OF THE CONVERSATION OR WHAT IS THIS CALLED MEETING SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF TALK ALL OF THIS OUT.

UM, AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE COMMISSIONER CANNON JUST WANTS TO KNOW WHETHER WE ARE WILLING TO MEET IN PERSON, NOT NECESSARILY HOW MANY PAGES MADAM CHAIR, IF I MIGHT CALL IT A POINT OF ORDER.

I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER, UM, MOTION NEEDS A SECOND SO THAT WE WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT.

WE WOULD DISCUSS IT IF NOT, IT DIES.

AND I DON'T, I THINK IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO MOTION TO JUST DIE WITHOUT AT LEAST A LONG FOR A SECOND.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND BY SECOND COMMISSIONER, SCHNEIDER SECONDS, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.

NOW WE ASKED FOR QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

UH, JUST TO ASK A QUESTION, IS JOSH BLANK? I DON'T HAVE, ANYONE CAN SEE ME.

I'M JUST COMING IN HERE.

UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE POINTED OUT SOMETHING IMPORTANT HERE, WHICH IS WILLINGNESS TO MEET AND ABILITY TO MEET ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND I THINK GIVEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE BREADTH OF WORK WE HAVE AHEAD OF US, WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GET INTO A SITUATION, GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE LOSING TIME, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BEAT TO GET STUFF DONE.

RIGHT.

SO I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, ASCERTAIN HOWEVER WE WANT TO, BUT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY PEOPLE'S WILLINGNESS AND AN ABILITY TO MEET AND IT IS COMPLICATED, RIGHT? THOSE ARE TWO THINGS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ABILITY WHEN, AND WHERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES FOR PEOPLE.

UH, AND THEN MAYBE SET THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR NEXT WEEK.

ONCE WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DISCUSS AMONGST, YOU KNOW, FROM AMONGST OURSELVES, SO WE'VE COLLECTED.

SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT AS OPPOSED TO AN OPEN-ENDED DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF MEDIA IN PERSON.

I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE HAVE TO MEET IN PERSON SOONER OR LATER.

UH, THE THING THAT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DROP DEAD DATE FOR THIS WHOLE PROJECT.

WHAT'S THE CALENDAR GOING BACKWARDS TO NOW? SO JUST SOME COMMENTS MANAGER.

UH, SO, UM, I INITIALLY SAID, AND I STILL, UH, SUPPORT THE FACT THAT, UH, I THINK COMMISSIONER CONDONES, UH, MOTION IS, IS VERY, VERY CRITICAL TO WHERE WE ARE.

UM, BECAUSE THE FIRST THING I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DEAL WITH IS, UH, ONE HYBRID OR AT LEAST ONE VIRTUAL AND PERHAPS ONE PHYSICAL MEETING.

BUT EVEN BEFORE THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORK WITH.

SO, UH, ARE WE STILL WAITING ON SOME CENSUS DATA OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE? UH, AND IF WE ARE, THEN WE NEED TO AT LEAST A TIMESTAMP WINDOW WINDOW, UH, THAT'S EXPECTED AND THEN BE PREPARED TO MEET AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST TIME IN PERSON TO ADDRESS THAT INFORMATION.

AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO GO VIRTUAL OR WHATEVER THE PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION WILL BE.

MADAM CHAIR, I, AND UNDERSTANDING THE SCOPE OF THE MOTION.

UM, UH, MISSIONER WAS, UH, ASKING FOR A POLLING NOW OR THROUGH SOME OTHER METHOD TO FIND OUT OUR LEVEL OF WILLINGNESS TO MEET IN PERSON.

AND, UM, JUST ASK, WE ARE DELVING INTO DISCUSSION, UH, TRYING TO FRAME IT WITHIN THAT CONTEXT AND SCOPE OF THE MOTION.

UM, AND SO I, I AM, UH, PREPARE, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE INTERESTED IN JUST ASKING OURSELVES NOW TO F TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THAT WE CAN, UH, HEAD IN THAT DIRECTION.

AND SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY DISCUSSION POINTS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HARDEN.

I, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING

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OF THE MOTION AS WELL AS ONLY TO ASCERTAIN OUR WILLINGNESS TO MEET IN PERSON.

AND AS FAR AS THE DETAILS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HASH OUT, THAT WILL BE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM MEETING, UH, STARTING MEETING ITEM.

UM, SO CAN WE DISCUSS WHETHER WE ARE WILLING TO MEET IN PERSON FOR FUTURE MEETINGS? I THINK AT THIS POINT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL, JUST A POINT OF WATER, IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, SOMEONE CAN CALL THE QUESTION WHERE WE WILL VOTE, GO QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE, UM, OF TANG IN PERSON, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS AND SAY, AYE, HELLO, MATT, CAN YOU PLEASE RECORD THIS BOAT? YES, EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR HAND UP.

THAT'S WILLING TO MEET IN PERSON.

OKAY.

I'VE GOT THAT.

AND THEN JOSHUA ON THE PHONE.

YES.

YES.

HI.

I KNOW.

ARE YOU WILLING TO MEET IN PERSON? YES.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT YOU JUST WANT TO GET THE NUMBERS ABOUT WHO'S WILLING TO MEET, UM, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT SOME DO NOT IS MAYBE WE CAN ALSO DISCUSS LATER ON IF THIS TECHNOLOGY WHERE WE COULD ALSO HAVE SOMEBODY STREAMING IN, IN CASE WE CAN'T MEET MATT.

CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? UH, YEAH.

COULD YOU REPEAT IT PLEASE? I'M SORRY.

OH YEAH.

UH, BASICALLY I WAS WONDERING FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO MEET IN PERSON, DO WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN PLACE WHERE THEY CAN STILL STREAM IN SOMEHOW LIKE HAVE THEIR VIDEO BROADCAST SO WE CAN SEE THEM? UH, I BELIEVE SO.

I THINK WE WOULD DO IT JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW, UM, WHERE MOST FOLKS WOULD BE, UM, IN PERSON AND THEN, SO, AND THEN SOME FOLKS WOULD BE ON THEIR, ON THEIR COMPUTER OR ON THE PHONE.

UM, SO I CAN CHECK ON THAT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE COULD DO IT JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING IT NOW.

UM, WE'RE THE FOLKS THAT ARE COMFORTABLE WITH BEING IN PERSON WOULD BE IN PERSON AND ONES THAT ARE NOT, WOULD BE ON THEIR, ON THEIR COMPUTER OR ON THEIR PHONE.

OKAY.

WHAT WAS THE VOTE COUNT AMONG US? YEAH, SO IT WAS 12 YESES AND ONE, NO.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO RETURN TO ITEM THREE C, WHICH WAS REGARDING THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS FROM THE HIRING WORKING GROUP.

UM, AGAIN, THAT IS THE, THE LEGAL COUNCIL ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGER AND MAPPING CONSULTANT DOCUMENTS.

HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE ON THEIR OWN TIME? YES.

YES.

YES.

GREAT.

ARE WE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE THREE DOCUMENTS? YES, YES, YES.

OKAY.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT COMMISSIONER IF POSSIBLE, JOSH BLANK, SORRY.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

JUST A QUESTION.

AND I KNOW I'M JOINING THIS PROCESS LATE, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I GO OVER ANYTHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TREAD AND FEEL FREE TO TELL ME IF I HAVE JUST ONE ISSUE WITH THE MAPPING EXPERT, UH, DESCRIPTION.

UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERTISE IN CREATING DISTRICT MAPS, UH, THAT MEET FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT LAWS, UH, I WONDER IF THAT'S NOT A LIMITATION THAT'S GOING TO BE, MAKE IT HARDER TO FIND APPLICANTS IN THE TIMEFRAME, GIVEN THE DISTRICT AND USUALLY HAPPENS ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS.

SO ULTIMATELY THERE COULD BE SOME VERY QUALIFIED GIS EXPERTS WHO REGULARLY ANALYZE CENSUS DATA, WHO WOULD BE PERFECTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, CREDIBLE CANDIDATES FOR THESE JOBS WHO WERE, WE ARE DISQUALIFIED IF THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY WORKED SPECIFICALLY ON DISTRICT MAPPING, COMMISSIONER PRENTISS.

MAY I MAKE A COMMENT PLEASE? YES.

COMMISSIONER, I WOULD, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER BLANK.

THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION IN THE WORKING GROUP, UH, DRAFTING THESE JOB DESCRIPTIONS.

AND IF YOU ARE WILLING, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO INVITE YOU TO THE SUB THE HIRING GROUP OR THE WORKING GROUP, EXCUSE ME, OF THE HIRING COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT THIS DOCUMENT AND THIS JOB DESCRIPTION, UM, IS PERFECTED BEFORE IT GOES TO THE POSTING.

BUT I DEFINITELY HAD THE SAME, UM, QUESTION THAT YOU RAISED HERE, SIR.

OKAY, GREAT.

YEAH.

WELL, I ACCEPT

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COMMENTS.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT HERE JUST TO NOW, IS THAT OKAY? YES.

COMMISSIONER CANNOT.

UH, UH, SO THOSE COMMISSIONER BLINK JOSH, CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH.

HE, UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT I, I PRAYED TO THAT AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EXPERTS WE ARE, I KNOW WE'RE IN A TIME CRUNCH, BUT IF WE HIRED THESE EXPERTS, THAT THEIR WORD WOULD BE LEGITIMATE AND ARE ABLE TO USE THAT AND SOMEBODY SHOULDN'T BE QUESTIONED THEIR, UM, THEIR WORK OUTPUT, RIGHT.

THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE AREN'T ANY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS WE'RE SKIRTING OR SKIMPING TO HIRED QUICKLY WORK.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? CAUSE THEN IF YOU PUT IN ALL THIS EFFORT AND THEN SOMEBODY QUESTIONED THE VALIDITY OF THE EXPERT, THAT THE WHOLE THING COULD BE SHAKEN.

SO I SAY THAT PLEASE TEMPER WITH CAUTION, AS YOU PAIRED ON REQUIREMENTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING ANY MANDATED REQUIREMENTS BY THE CITY OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT LIKE, UH, PLEASE KEEP THOSE IN CONSIDERATION AS YOU REVIEW THESE.

I ALSO DO WHAT TOO MANY PEOPLE BE PART OF THE SMARTER WORKING SESSIONS.

SO IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE ON THE, UH, ON THE WORKING GROUP TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT I WANT TO CALL THEM OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT PUT US AT RISK LEADER.

JUST I FIND OUT, MAY I RESPOND TO THAT COMMENT? OR MAY I COMMENT ON THE COMMENT? I DON'T.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK OF THIS AS A, AS A SLIMMING OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

I THINK IT PROBABLY JUST NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF A CLARIFICATION.

ULTIMATELY I WOULDN'T WANT TO RELY ON THE GIS EXPERT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LEGALLY COMPLIANT.

I THINK THAT'S THE LAWYER'S JOB.

UH, I THINK WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO IS INSTEAD OF SEEING AN EXPERT IN VOTING DISTRICT MAP, IT I'D WANT TO SAY A GIS EXPERT, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FIND PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE MAPPING CENSUS DATA FOR THE PURPOSE OF VOTING, VOTING DISTRICT MAPPING AS PART OF THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

SO THE IDEA WOULD JUST BE TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHAT TYPE OF EXPERTISE EXACTLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND THE EXPERTISE IS ACTUALLY IN THE MAPPING AND THE DATA.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF IT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HIRING A LAWYER, AT LEAST AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

OH NO.

I JUST MEANT IN TERMS OF HAVING THE LICENSES TO, TO, TO CONDUCT BUSINESS OR TO DO THE WORK, THAT'S ALL, BUT I AM WELL TAKEN, UH, TO LAND YOU'RE ON MUTE, MADAM CHAIR.

UM, AS I READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, I SAW THAT, UH, WE WERE BEING VERY SPECIFIC AS IT RELATES TO, UH, DISTRICT, UH, MAPPING EXPERTISE.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SORT OF STAY ON WITH COMMISSIONER CANNOT ON THIS.

I I'VE SEEN TOO MANY TIMES WHERE THESE TYPES OF THINGS GET BLOWN UP AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LEGAL.

IT BECOMES VERY POLITICAL AND YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WITH THE, UH, THE EMOTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE BEING DISENFRANCHISED.

AND SO THEY WILL GRAB HOLD TO ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY SPECIFIC EXPERTISE REGARDING THE WORK WE'RE DOING.

SO FRANKLY, UH, I THINK THAT THE INTERVIEW PROCESS COULD BE USED TO FURTHER, UH, TWEAK IT.

BUT IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU START TAKING CERTAIN TYPE OF WORDS OUT, WE'RE ASKING FOR TROUBLE LATER ON.

SO WITH THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, JOSHUA'S PERSPECTIVE AND I WAS THERE INITIALLY, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU, UH, AFTER YEARS OF DOING DIFFERENT JOBS IN THIS CITY, I CAN TELL YOU UP FRONT, THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T CARE ANYTHING ABOUT LEGALITY.

THEY JUST CARE ABOUT THEY GOT LEFT OUT OR THEY FEEL DISENFRANCHISED.

SO WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL THAT WE KEEP THOSE KEY WORDS IN THERE THAT THAT WILL GIVE THEM THE ASSURANCE THAT AT LEAST WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

UM, MADAM CHAIR, CAN I PLEASE JUST ASK THE QUESTION POINT OF CLARIFICATION? UM, SO JUST REGARDING, UH, THE MAPPING EXPERT, UH, JOB DESCRIPTION, I NOTICED THAT FOR BOTH THE ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGER AND THE LEGAL COUNSEL, THERE IS A DEADLINE OF JUNE 18TH.

HOWEVER, I DO NOT SEE A DEADLINE FOR THE MAPPING EXPERT.

AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A HIGHLIGHTED PART ON PAGE TWO OF THE MAPPING EXPERT DOCUMENT.

IT SAYS BE ABLE TO BEGIN SERVICES NO LATER THAN SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2021.

SO ARE YOU STILL TRYING TO WORK OUT THE DATES IN TERMS OF, UM, WHEN THEY BEGIN

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TO WORK AND MAYBE THE DEADLINES AS WELL? YES.

AND I THINK THAT, THAT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, MAYBE YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT HIGHLIGHTED PART.

AND THANK YOU FOR LOOKING THAT UP.

UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE UNSURE OF EXACTLY WHEN WE'LL RECEIVE THE CENSUS DATA AND TOLD THAT IT WOULD COME IN EARLY SEPTEMBER.

UM, BUT IT'S KIND OF STILL A QUESTION MARK.

UM, COMMISSIONER CAN TELL US, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO, UM, COMMISSIONER CONDO'S QUESTION, UH, CHRISTIAN PUNTERS, YOU ANSWERED THAT CORRECTLY.

THE MAPPING EXPERT WILL BE HIRED AT A LATER DATE THAN WHAT THE ADMIN MANAGER AND LEGAL COUNSEL WOULD HOPEFULLY BE, UM, BROUGHT ON BOARD ON.

UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S DO THE CENSUS DATA ON US, JUST NOT HAVING THAT, UM, THAT INFO RIGHT NOW, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.

I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THE QUESTION AND NOTICING THE HIGHLIGHT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SORRY.

I HAD A REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR MATT.

UM, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY? SO LET'S JUST SAY WE APPROVE, UH, A COUPLE OF THESE JOB DESCRIPTIONS RIGHT NOW.

WHAT'S THE TIMELINE AND THE PROCESS TO GETTING THOSE POSTED OR, UM, LIKE, IS IT LIKE A FEW DAYS OR LIKE WHAT'S THE, HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO TAKE? SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE THIS, WE WOULD, UM, WHO WORK TO GET IT POSTED, UH, SINCE WE COULD, UM, WHAT TO FIND OUT FOR Y'ALL LIKE, HOW, HOW LONG DO YOU WANT THE, THE POSITION TO BE POSTED FOR? UM, AND THEN WE CAN START SEEING ONCE APPLICATIONS COME IN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S, IF, UH, UM, UH, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THAT DEADLINE NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED OR NOT, OR IF WE CAN KEEP IT CUT OFF AT THAT, AT THAT POINT.

UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE THAT LONG TO GET THESE, TO GET THESE POSTED, UM, UH, EXTERNALLY AND INTERNALLY.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN A SECOND QUESTION, WHEN WE DO GET APPLICANTS, HOW WILL WE BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE APPLICATIONS? IS IT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO EMAIL TO US OR IS IT SOMETHING WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ONCE WE HAVE A CITY EMAIL ON LIKE THE CITY DRIVE OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? UM, LET'S SEE.

YEAH.

SO IF WE HAVE THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR FOLKS TO SEND THEIR APPLICATIONS IN, UM, TO THAT EMAIL ADDRESS, AND ONCE THEY GOT THOSE, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD FORWARD THEM TO Y'ALL, UM, UH, SO THAT THE PEOPLE COULD SEE THEM AS SOON AS THEY CAME IN.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

UM, WELL THEN IF YOU KNOW, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION THEN FOR THE, UH, UNLESS WE HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR THE ADMIN AND THE ATTORNEY, UM, ENDING QUESTIONS OR EDITS.

UM, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

JUST, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT BASED ON COMMISSIONER COMMENT IS I GUESS, IN THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS WE WOULD NEED, IF WE FINALIZE THEM TODAY, JUST KNOWING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE WHERE TO SUBMIT THESE APPLICATIONS TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A CITY CONTACT OR IF WE POST THEM, LET'S SAY EXTERNALLY.

UM, WOULD THAT BE ONE OF US? UM, SO JUST, JUST A COMMENT THERE.

I DON'T WANT IT TO SLOW DOWN THE APPROVAL OF THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS THOUGH.

WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WOULD GET POSTED ON THE CITY OF AUSTIN, LIKE RFP WEBSITE.

UM, AND THEN WE COULD SEND THAT LINK OUT.

UM, IS THAT CORRECT? DO YOU WANT TO CORRECT US, THEIR MATH? THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH.

AND IF, UM, THAT'S MY, THAT'S HOW I THINK IT WOULD WORK AS WELL.

WE PUT UP ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, WE COULD ALSO PUT IT UP ON, UM, EXTERNAL, UM, FIRMS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF THING.

UM, I FEEL LIKE ALSO WE GET INDIVIDUALLY DISTRIBUTED TO OUR NETWORKS AS WELL.

AND US AS FOLKS WHO HAVE KIND OF PARTICIPATED SO FAR ON THIS TO HELP SPREAD THE WORD, UH, TO SEND IT OUT TO THEIR NETWORKS, TO MATT, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, AND WE WANTED TO POST THESE EXTERNALLY, YOU WOULD BE THE PERSON TO DO THAT.

YES, I'LL DO THAT FOR YOU, BUT WE CAN ALSO INDIVIDUALLY SHARE PROFESSIONAL NETWORKS LIKE THE LINKEDIN OR INDEED.COM, RIGHT? LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO.

YES, YES.

AND IN FACT, I THINK YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO DO SO.

UM, CAN YOU ALSO POST THE, UH, ATTORNEY ONE TO THE STATE BAR OF BAR OF TEXAS FOR YOUR WEBSITE TOO? YEAH, I CAN LOOK INTO DOING THAT.

YEAH, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS TO, TO MATT, SORRY, MATT.

IF THESE ARE LIVE, IF YOU CAN SEND THEM TO US IN AN EMAIL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

SO WE KNOW, SO WE DON'T WASTE A LOT OF TIME ONCE THEY GET APPROVED.

WE, AND SO THEN I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION, HER, UM, COMMISSIONER ONE, SILAS'S EARLIER POINT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING TO EDIT ON THESE THINGS, THE DEADLINE,

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BECAUSE TODAY'S JUNE 2ND AND THEY SAY TO, UM, KINDA SHERIFF COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL'S POINT, EXCUSE ME.

UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE A LITTLE BIT OVER TWO WEEKS.

UM, SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH AS UNIT? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY LAST EDIT.

IS, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH JUNE 18TH? DO WE WANT TO EXTEND THAT? WE ALL KNOW WE'RE ON A TIMELINE.

MY UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, AT LEAST CERTAINLY OF, UM, THE KINDS OF ATTORNEYS TO DO THIS WORK IS THEY'RE MOSTLY BOOKED ALREADY.

UM, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE TYPES OF THINGS FOR A WHILE WITH DIFFERENT OTHER KINDS OF, UM, MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS.

SO, UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE PROPOSALS READY TO GO IS MY ASSUMPTION.

UM, SO YEAH.

HOW LONG DO WE WANT TO MOVE THAT DEADLINE OUT? UM, I DON'T HAVE A SUGGESTION.

I BELIEVE THAT WE PICKED THAT DATE, UM, TO MOP ALL OUR MODELED OFF OF THE FORMER ICRCS KIND OF TIMELINE BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY HAD TWO WEEKS TO FIND THEIR CANDIDATES AND THEN GO THROUGH THE HIRING PROCESS, THE INTERVIEWS AND THE HIRING.

SO IF WE WANT TO, UM, REALLY GET THE BALL ROLLING BY JULY, WHICH, UM, I BELIEVE IS NECESSARY FOR US TO MEET THE NOVEMBER 1ST DEADLINE.

UM, I, I KNOW IT'S A VERY AMBITIOUS DATE.

UM, I'M CERTAINLY CURIOUS TO HEAR OTHER'S THOUGHTS, BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD KEEP IT MADAM CHAIR.

I WOULD LIKE TO, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, EFFICIENCY, UM, WE BEGAN THIS SEGMENT, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE ACTUAL JOB DESCRIPTIONS.

AND IF WE, IF WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS AND NEED TO EDIT THE ATTORNEY POSITION, I THINK IT MAY, UH, THE WHOLE LESSON MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MOTION ON THE ATTORNEY POSITION, UH, TO PROVE THAT PUMPKIN, AND THEN LOOK AT THE, THE, UH, THE OTHER, UH, POSITION, THE ADMIN ADMIN FOR THE CHURCH.

AND, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEED FOR EDITING EVEN THE ADMIN OR THE ATTORNEY POSITION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE ASSET ADMITTED.

AND THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POSTING TIME-WISE AND ALL OF THAT SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE CONTENT OF THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS IN GENERAL MISSIONARY LANDS.

SO WE, UH, WE MOVED FORWARD WITH, UH, ALL THREE, UH, POSITIONS AND, UM, AND, UH, AND, UH, EXPEDITE THE HIRING PROCESS TO GET A SECOND.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND THERE? SENATOR KANAAN SECONDS, COMMISSIONER LANCE MOTION.

SO ALL IN FAVOR OF COMMISSIONER, LANCE MOTION TO, UM, VOTE IN FAVOR OF ALL THREE OF THESE, PLEASE SAY AYE, AND RAISE YOUR HANDS.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE, AYE.

AND THEN, UM, HOW LONG YOUR CAMERA'S ON? HI.

OKAY.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE COMMISSION HAS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY AND COMMISSIONER LANCE QUESTION PASSES.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

WELL, WE'LL GET THOSE POSTED AND UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THANKS FOR THAT.

AND JUST, JUST A LAP, JUST THE LAST COMMENT SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED, IS THAT WHEN YOU DO THAT, THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION OF THE MAPPING, UM, IF IT, IF THAT IS GOING TO GO OUT AS WELL, A SIX WEEK MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THREE, JUST REMEMBER THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION OF THE MAPPING.

THAT PART CAN BE ON HIGHLIGHTED ON HIGHLIGHTED.

GOTCHA.

ADDING A DEADLINE MAPPING AS WELL.

YES.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.

ALL RIGHT, FANTASTIC.

THANK YOU.

Y'ALL ARE WE READY FOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM? WE'RE MOVING ON TO THREE D ESTABLISHING WORKING GROUPS.

NOW IT SAYS WORKING GROUPS IN THE AGENDA, BUT, UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LEGAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN WORKING GROUPS AND SUBCOMMITTEES.

MATT, DO YOU THINK YOU COULD EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORKING GROUPS AND COMMITTEES? YEAH.

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YES.

I CAN JUST START HERE.

I ACTUALLY JUST PULL UP THE, UH, THE DEFINITION FOR THIS, SO FOLKS CAN SEE IT.

UM, UH, OH, I CAN'T READ IT NOW.

HOLD ON.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO COMMITTEE MEANS A BODY OF BOARD MEMBERS ESTABLISHED BY AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THE BOARD CONSISTING OF AT LEAST THREE BOARD MEMBERS TO WHICH THE BOARD HAS DELEGATED A DEFINED MATTER OR MATTERS.

UM, AND, AND BOARD IS, IS, UH, SAME AS COMMISSION.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MADE UP OF FOLKS THAT ARE JUST ON THE, UM, ON THE, UH, ON THE ICRC.

UM, I CHECKED WITH THE CITY CLERK RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING.

UM, UH, THEY GAVE ME THE IMPRESSION THAT IF IT'S A COMMITTEE THAT COMMITTEES, UM, UH, UH, COULD STILL BE, UM, SUBJECT TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, MEANING WE WOULD HAVE TO POST THE AGENDA, UM, 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.

UM, AND, UH, KIND OF ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.

AND THEN THE WORKING GROUP IS, UM, A BODY OF BOARD MEMBERS ESTABLISHED BY A VOTE OF THE BOARD CONSISTING OF LESS THAN A QUORUM OF THE BOARD, WHICH WOULD BE FOR US, UM, EIGHT OR LESS, BECAUSE NINE AS A QUORUM TO WHICH THE BOARD DELEGATES A DEFINED MATTER OR MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD, UH, WORK GROUP IS AUTOMATICALLY RESOLVED AFTER IT REPORTS ITS RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD, A BOARD, A GROUP BOARD MAY APPOINT A NON-MEMBER OR NON-MEMBERS TO SERVE ON A WORKING GROUP.

UM, AND THEN THE WORKING GROUPS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

SO THOSE, UM, THOSE AGENDAS DO NOT GET POSTED.

UM, UH, UM, AND SO THE S OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES THAT POSTING, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE MEMBERSHIP, IF IT HAS FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THE ICRC, OR IF IT'S JUST MADE UP OF ICRC MEMBERS.

YEAH.

IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS FEWER MEMBERS THAN A QUORUM, DOES IT STILL, IS IT STILL SUBJECT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT? YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA CHECK ON THAT, BUT THEY THOUGHT IT, THE COMMITTEE DOES, UM, IS SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

UM, BUT I'M WAITING TO GET A FIRM ANSWER ON THAT.

UM, SO YEAH, SO I THINK, UM, UH, I THINK WE CAN DO EITHER ONE, ARE YOU GOING TO BE THE ONE? UM, UH, BUT LIKE IF FOR TODAY WE'RE POSTED TO DO, UH, WORKING GROUPS THAT, UM, THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE, BUT A PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS THAT IT WORKED GROUP ITS SCOPE OF WORK TERMINATES.

WHEN THE DELIVERABLE IS RENDERED TO THE BOARD WHERE A COMMITTEE, UH, MAY HAVE IN SERIES OF TASKS OR PROJECTS OR ASSIGNMENTS, UH, THAT IT'S IT'S LIFE IS ONGOING AS THINGS EMERGE, BUT THE