* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] UM, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BRING [Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order] THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT SIX OH THREE. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JUNE 8TH, 2021. UM, I GUESS WE'LL JUST, UH, LET'S DO ROLL REAL QUICK. I'M GOING TO GO AROUND THE ROOM. MENTIONED HER NAME. JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY HERE, LET'S START WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER AZHAR, UM, COMMISSIONER CONLEY, UH, COMMISSIONER COX HERE. UM, I DON'T, UH, I'M GONNA GO TO, LET'S SEE, VICE CHAIR. HEMPEL UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD COMMISSIONER, LUCY TODDLER, UH, COMMISSIONER PRAXIS, COMMISSIONER YANNIS, PALITO HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HERE. OKAY. AND, UH, I RIGHT NOW LET'S SEE THAT BRINGS US TWO COUNTING 11, UH, COMMISSIONERS PRESENT AT THIS TIME. UM, AND ALSO JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS. UH, RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE HAVE JUST, UH, MR. JESSICA COHEN HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. AND, UH, SO, UH, MOVING ON, UM, OH, ALSO ON THE ROLL. IT'S YOUR CHAIR TOUCH UP. SO I'LL GET MYSELF, UH, WE WOULD, UH, LET'S [Reading of Agenda] GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO GETTING THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND I JUST WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SAW IT. I MADE A FEW PROPOSALS FOR HOW TO GET US DONE ON TIME. UH, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THEM, I MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGID WITH SOME OF THE THINGS WE COVER AND, UH, AND TO START, UH, WHEN I READ THE CONSENT AGENDA, I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE MUCH MORE ABBREVIATED, WHICH I'M SURE WILL MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, BECAUSE THAT TENDS TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME. UH, SO TODAY, UH, JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, UH, TO HAVE YOUR RED, GREEN, AND YELLOW CARDS FOR VOTING, UH, REMAIN MUTED, UH, WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, RAISE YOUR HAND, UH, TO BE RECOGNIZED. AND IF I DON'T SEE YOU, I HADN'T TURNED ON THE SPEAKER BECAUSE IT IS A, IT IS A CHALLENGE SOMETIME TO SEE HANDS. UM, LET'S SEE FOR THE PARTICIPANTS OUT THERE, STAR SIX TO UNMUTE, UM, AND WE WILL, UM, WHEN YOUR ITEMS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMAIN ON THE LINE. YOU WILL RECEIVE AN EMAIL ABOUT 15 MINUTES OUT WHEN YOUR ITEM IS COUNTRY FOR THE COMMISSION AND YOU CAN JOIN US AT THAT TIME. SO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WE HAVE, UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, WE WILL, THE MINUTES FROM, UH, MAY 11TH, 2021 AND MAY 25TH, 2021. UM, DID ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THOSE TWO SETS OF MINUTES? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. I'M GOING TO MOVE THOSE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR APPROVAL. UM, AND ALSO, UH, BEFORE I START, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM E ONE. AND THAT IS THE, LET'S SEE IF I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT. YEAH. NOMINATION OF A VICE-CHAIR HEMPEL TO CONTINUE SERVICE ON THE CODES AND ORDINANCE COMMITTEE. UH, DO I HAVE ANY, UH, ONE THAT WOULD WANT TO DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE I'M PROPOSING TO JUST KEEP IT ON CONSENT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, MOVING FORWARD, I'M GOING TO GO AND READ THE CASE THIS YEAR, UH, THAT WE HAVE UNDER SECTION V PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND LET'S GO AND RUN THROUGH THIS. UM, WE HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEMS B ONE B2 AND B3 TOGETHER AND RE RECALL WE DID, UH, HEAR SPEAKERS LAST TIME WERE, UH, WE ALL HEAR SPEAKERS AGAIN THIS TIME. UH, I'M GOING TO TAKE A VOTE BEFORE THE ITEM COMES UP, UH, TO ALLOW ONE MINUTE, UH, TO A MOTION FOR ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER. UH, WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT, UH, TO CHANGE OUR RULES. UM, BUT WE'LL BE TAKING THOSE ITEMS UP TOGETHER. THAT'S I'M GOING TO GO AND READ THOSE B ONE IS NPA 2021 [00:05:01] ZERO ZERO ONE SEVEN.ZERO ONE SEVEN ONE ONE THREE BURNETT. UH THAT'S. AND THEN WE HAVE THE S B TO C 14 2021 ZERO ZERO FOUR THREE AT THE SAME ADDRESS. AND THEN WE HAVE B3, C 14 SEVEN TWO OH THREE, TWO RCT, UH, SEVEN ONE ONE THREE AND SEVEN ONE ONE FIVE BURNETT ROAD. UH, AGAIN, ALL THREE OF THOSE B ONE B2 AND B3 ARE FOR DISCUSSION. WE HAVE ITEM BEFORE, UH, E IT'S A C 14 2021 ZERO ZERO ONE ZERO, UH, PROJECT MARABOU. UH, THIS IS APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 22ND. YOU HAVE BE FIVE MPA DASH 2020 ZERO ZERO ONE SIX.ZERO FOUR SEVEN 12 SEVEN 14, PETRONELLA STREET, AND TWO FOUR ZERO NINE CORONADO STREET. UM, THIS ONE IS YOUR RECALL, UH, WAS WE'LL HAVE CONTINUED, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS ONE. I WILL ALSO ASK FOR A MOTION TO KEEP THE SPEAKERS TO ONE MINUTE ON THAT ONE AS WELL. AND ON THAT ONE, IF YOU RECALL, UM, WE ALREADY HAD THE Q AND A, SO WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO DEBATE ON THAT, ON BOTH THAT ONE. I'M SORRY. AND B6. SO B6 IS C 14 2021 ZERO ZERO ONE ONE SEVEN 12 SEVEN 14, PEN ANALYSIS, THREE AND TWO, FOUR OH NINE CORONADO STREET. AGAIN, UH, THOSE B FIVE B SIX WILL BE TAKEN TOGETHER FOR DISCUSSION THESE SEVEN C 14 2021 ZERO ZERO FOUR FIVE. MOORE'S CROSSING FARMHOUSE TRACT. ONE IS NON-CONSENT. UH, B EIGHT IS C 14 DASH 2021. THAT'S ZERO ZERO FOUR SIX MOORE'S CROSSING FARMHOUSE TRACK TWO, UM, CONSENT. UH, WE HAVE B NINE C 14 2021. THAT'S ZERO, ZERO FOUR SEVEN. MOORE'S CROSSING FARMHOUSE STRIKE THREE. STEPH HAS FROM IT UNTIL JUNE 22ND, B 10 C 14 DASH 2021 ZERO ZERO FIVE NINE 2100. POLARIS AVENUE IS ON CONSENT VIA 11 NPA, 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO TWO.ZERO TWO CENTRAL EAST SIXTH AND ONION. UH, STAFF HAS PERMIT TO JUNE 22ND. WE HAVE A V12 IS C 14 DASH 2021 DASH ZERO ZERO FIVE EIGHT CENTRAL EAST SIX. AN INDIAN STAFF HAS PERMANENT TO JUNE 22ND, B 13, C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE 44, 2,700 SOUTH LAMAR. THAT IS FOR DISCUSSION THE 14 C 14 DASH 2020 THAT'S ZERO ONE FOUR LINE 41 FIVE SOUTH LAMAR. THAT ITEM IS ON CONSENT. B 15 MPA 2020 THERE'S ZERO ZERO TWO ZERO ONE FAIR MARKET STEP POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 22ND, B 16, C 14 DEATHS, UH, SORRY, C 14 DASH 2021. THAT'S ZERO ZERO SIX ONE IN FAIR MARKET. REZONING. STEPH HAS FOMENTED JUNE 22ND, B 17 NPA THAT'S 2021 DASH ZERO ZERO TWO SIX ZERO ONE. RADIANT BROWNIE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 13TH, B 18, C 14 DASH 2021 DASH ZERO ZERO THREE NINE. GRADIENT BROWNIE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT, UH, TWO JULY 13TH, B 19 IS C 14 DEATHS, 2021 GAS THERE'S ZERO THREE SIX. I WEIGH TWO 90 AND 1826 REZONING. WE HAVE APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 13, 20, UH, CASE NUMBER C 14 DASH 2021. YES, SIR. ZERO EIGHT FOUR. UH, CAN YOU ROAD RESIDENCES? UH, THAT ITEM IS ON CONSENT. UH, B 21 NTA 2021 DASH ZERO ONE EIGHT.ZERO ONE. THE CARLY'S A DOT THREE, TWO APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 30, UH, 13TH, UH, B 22 C 14 DASH 2021. THAT'S ZERO ZERO ONE EIGHT. THE CURRENTLY START 32, UH, APPLICANT POSTPONED TO JULY 13TH. THESE BE THREE YES, 21 AND B 22 IS CONSENT CHAIR, CONVENTIONAL HE'S ON HAND FARAH. WE HEARD BLUE LIGHT FROM THE APPLICANT THAT HE REQUESTS. HEY, PAT'S APARTMENT. OKAY. YEAH, I'M READING FROM THE, UH, THE COLOR CODED, UH, [00:10:01] LISTS THAT WE'VE GOT FOR ON THE, UH, EMAIL READ RECEIVED. UM, LET'S SEE. B 22. I'M SORRY, JOHNNY. THE B 23, UH, CASE NUMBER C 14 DASH 2021 DASH ZERO ONE SEVEN FIVE SEVEN ZERO EIGHT SPRINGDALE ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD POST APARTMENT TWO, JULY 27, 24, C 14 2021 ZERO ZERO ONE NINE 5,700 GROVER AVENUE AND 56, 12 ROOSEVELT AVENUE, STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 22ND, B 25, SPC DASH 2021 DASH ZERO ZERO THREE FIVE A THE OCTAPHARMA PLASMA IT'S NON-CONSENT. YEAH, B 26, C H J DASH 2019 ZERO ONE FOUR ONE.ONE, A DESK SKYLINE TWO DASH D PHASE ONE FINAL PLAT IS ON CONSENT. SO CHAIR KIND OF YES, FOR CONSENT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S A WITH CONDITIONS PER EXHIBIT C OF THE STAFF REPORT. OKAY. UM, UH, SAY THAT AGAIN, WHICH EXHIBIT EXHIBIT C AT THE STAFF REPORT. SO, UH, ITEM B 26 IS WITH CONDITIONS IN A, AS NOTED IN EXHIBIT C OF THE STAFF REPORT. OKAY. SO LET'S JUST, UH, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS ON CONSENT. UH, WE HAVE THE, THE MINUTES, UH, FOR THE 11TH AND THE 25TH OF MAY. WE HAVE ITEMS B ONE ON CONSENT AND THE ITEMS THAT I READ ON CONSENT. LET'S SEE. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT NEED TO RECUSE FROM ANY OF THESE ITEMS THIS EVENING? UH, MR. SCHNEIDER, UH, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE TO RECUSE, BUT I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN FROM . IT'S A STONE'S THROW FROM MY HOUSE. OKAY. SO WILL YOU, UH, I GUESS THAT MEANS YOU'LL JUST REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE SCREEN DURING THAT TIME OR B 20 IS ON CONSENT. SO IF YOU CAN JUST NOPE. OH, YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I NOTE, UH, ON B 20 CONDITIONERS, SNYDER IS ABSTAINING. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY ON SUBMISSION? I'M SORRY, VICE CHAIR. TENTPOLE. YES. YES, I AM ABSTAINING ON, UM, ITEM B 10. UM, THE RED LINE RAILWAY IS MENTIONED IN THE BACKUP AND, UH, THE SITE IS PART OF A, UH, CRITICAL TRAIL CONNECTION AND I'M ON THE RED LINE PARKWAY INITIATIVE BOARD. OKAY. AND SIMILARLY THAT ITEM IS ON CONSENT, RIGHT. OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER RECUSALS EXTENSIONS? OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING, UH, LET'S SEE, WE'LL GO OVER THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, THE ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO HOLD JUST QUICKLY. SO WE HAVE A B ONE B ONE B TWO B THREE. WE'LL TAKE TOGETHER A, B FIVE AND B SIX THAT WE'LL HERE FOR DISCUSSION TOGETHER. WE HAVE A, B 13. AND SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS I HAVE FOR A BIT WE'LL PULL FOR DISCUSSION AND THE REMAINDER ON CONSENT. UH, SO [Consent Agenda] WITH THAT, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? UH, CONSENT, UH, FRIDAY TO ME ONE AND, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA AS READ. I SEE COMMISSIONER HUIZAR. I HAVE, I HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER, MUCH TALLER. UH, LET'S GO AHEAD. AND, UH, AND I AM LOOKING FOR MY CARDS. OKAY. UH, GIVE ME ONE MOMENT THEY, UH, SO I'M GONNA JUST, UH, VERBALLY VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND GIVE ME ONE SECOND. LET'S SAY THAT WAS UNANIMOUS. JUST ONE CHAIR, ONE, ONE, THREE. IT'S ALL RIGHT. SORRY GUYS. THAT WAS, THAT WAS UNANIMOUS CHAIR. [00:15:01] ALL RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT FOLKS. AND MY DOG WAS VERY EXCITED. UH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING FROM THE, UH, ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO OUR [Items B1 - B3] FIRST, UM, UH, OUR SPEAKERS ON V1 THROUGH B3. AND GIVE ME ONE SECOND HERE. THE, UH, W FIRST WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, AND IT'S, UH, MICHAEL GOLDSTEIN. HE WILL LEAD OFF. AND THEN AS I UNDERSTAND, WE'LL HAVE, UM, UH, WELL, LET'S BACK UP. WE FIRST NEED TO GO AHEAD AND COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO RESTRICT SPEAKING TIME TO ONE MINUTE THIS EVENING ON ITEMS THREE, ONE, THREE V3. I SEE COMMISSIONER HAZARA. DO I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOWARD? AND WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, UH, WE'LL START OUT WITH, UM, SO ANDREW, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STAFF, UH, PRESENTATION TO LEAD OFF. YOU JUST GO RIGHT INTO THE FIRST SPEAKER, CRAIG CHAIR, COMMISSIONER LAYS ON IT VERUS I WILL HEAR THE TESTIMONY FROM THOSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME AT ONE MINUTE EACH, AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH A PRESENTATION AND I'LL NAME THE FIVE SPEAKERS, AND THEY'LL CONTINUOUSLY PROVIDE THE REMARKS TO THIS PRESENTATION. SO SPEAKERS, I LISTEN FOR YOUR NAME AND THEN JUST, UH, WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK, JUST FOLLOW THE NEXT SPEAKER. I HAVE MICHAEL GARDENY HARRISON HUDSON, MELISSA NETHERLAND, JAKE EBERT, MICHAEL WHALEN. UM, AND IF YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN THE PRESENTATION IS UP, THIS IS MICHAEL GAZANIAN AND I'LL KICK US OFF. I SEE THE COVER SEAT. OKAY, PERFECT. EVERYBODY SHARE COMMISSIONERS, MICHAEL GATHERING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TODAY, I'LL ANSWER A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND MISCONCEPTIONS REGARDING THE CASE SPECIFICALLY, WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE FOR GROWTH IN OUR CORRIDORS, WHETHER BURNET IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS GROWTH AND WHETHER ONE ADDITIONAL STORY IS APPROPRIATE. SO FIRST OFF, WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE FOR GROWTH IN OUR CORRIDORS? ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS OUR CITY PLANS CALL FOR CORRIDOR GRIP IS TO PROVIDE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR ALL SNAKES AND DIFFERENT MEMES AND BACKGROUNDS. HERE. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WORKS IN PRACTICE AVERAGE, MONTHLY HOUSING COSTS IN THE CRESTVIEW NEIGHBORHOOD ARE 41% WHEN WE'RE FOR WINTERS. AND THIS HELPS EXPAND THE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR A BROAD RANGE OF RESIDENTS OF DIFFERENT MEANS BACKGROUNDS. FOR INSTANCE, A REGULAR HOUSEHOLDS IN CRESTVIEW ARE 2.4 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A HOUSEHOLD INCOME LESS THAN 50,000 AND ARE 2.4 MORE LIKELY TO BE NONWHITE. UH, SO CARTER PROJECTS ARE IMPORTANT. THE CITY'S STRATEGY FOR MAKING SURE THAT HOUSING OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, UH, BUT IS BURNET ROAD AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR ONE ADDITIONAL STORY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THIS REQUEST. AND FOR THAT I'LL HAND IT OFF TO HARRISON HUDSON. HERE'S AN HUDSON ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. THE CITY HAS CONSISTENTLY DESIGNATED BURNET ROAD AS A MAJOR CORRIDOR WHERE ADDITIONAL GROWTH IS APPROPRIATE. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE FOR THEM. FURTHERMORE, THE CITY HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS IN SUPPORTING BURNET ROAD GROWTH WITH AN AMBITIOUS 53 MILLION PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IN ADDITION TO THIS WORK, THE CITY REQUIRES NEW PROJECTS LIKE 71 13 BURDENS TO MAKE PRIVATE INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH HELPS CITY DOLLARS GO FURTHER 71 13 BURNET. WE CONTRIBUTE TO THIS EFFORT BY PROVIDING A NEW PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREETSCAPE WITH A WIDE SIDEWALK STREET TREES, OUR PORTION OF BURNET CORRIDOR PLAN IMPROVEMENTS AND FUNDING FOR CITY PARKS OR REDUCING VEHICLE TRIP AND IMPERVIOUS COVER A PROJECT WOULD ALSO MEANINGFULLY INCREASE ANNUAL CITY REVENUES, SUPPORTING GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS, SUCH AS OUR PARKS AND LIBRARIES, AS WELL AS ACD PUBLIC WORKS CODE IN AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY. OVERALL, THIS AMOUNTS TO A ROUGHLY 477% INCREASE OVER CURRENT SITE REVENUES. AND IMPORTANTLY, THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASES ENTIRELY EXEMPTED FROM STATE IMPOSED PROPERTY TAX CAP. SO THIS ADDITIONAL INCREMENT OF GROWTH SUPPORT CITY HOUSING GOALS AND INFRASTRUCTURE EFFORTS, BUT IS IT APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION FOR THAT? I WILL HAND IT OFF TO MELISSA MUSLIN HERE. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE ADDITIONAL TYPE WAS. WE ACHIEVED THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY LOT. THIS SHOWS THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT ENVELOPE AND THE ARROW DENOTES THE LOCATION WHERE WE WILL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE OUR ADDITIONAL STORY, WHICH IS MORE THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD LINK AWAY FROM THAT CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY LOT LINE. BUT THAT IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY LIFE HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCE FROM OUR REAR LOT LINE, OR IN OTHER WORDS, THE HEIGHT IN RELATION TO MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS YOU CAN SEE THE STEP-UPS AND ALLOWABLE HEIGHT IS VERY GRADUAL AND MAINTAIN FULL COMPATIBILITY. I ALSO WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PUT ALL OF THIS INTO MORE HUMAN TERMS AND TERMS. AND FORTUNATELY, I WAS ABLE TO FIND AN EXAMPLE OF SIMILAR HEIGHTS JUST OUTSIDE THE SOUTHERN END OF BRENTWOOD. THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH [00:20:01] OF CRESTVIEW. THE PROPERTY IS A BIT COLOR ADC RATHER THAN 75 FEET, BUT IT PUTS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT AND REAL TERM. THIS IMAGE SHOWS THE DISTANCE IT WOULD TAKE TO GET TO THE 75 FEET AT SEVEN ONE, ONE THREE BURNET. IF YOU'RE STANDING AT THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE FROM MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD HAVE MINIMAL PRESENCE TO INTERNAL NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS. NOW I WILL HAND IT OFF TO JAY PIPER COMMISSIONER. THIS IS JAY KIBERA WITH STRATUS PROPERTIES. THIS IMAGE SHOWS A DISTANCE. IT WOULD TAKE TO GET TO THE 75 FEET AT 71 13 BURNETT. IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE BACKYARD, THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY, LOT, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND IT'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE AWAY ALSO, AND THESE IMAGES, THE INTERVENING SPACE IS UNOBSTRUCTED, BUT IN REALITY, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO INSTALLING 10 TO 12 FOOT TREES ALONG THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY LINES, WHICH WILL THEN CONTINUE TO GROW TALLER EACH YEAR. IN THIS IMAGE, MICHAEL IS HOLDING A 10 FOOT POLE OF THE APPROXIMATE PROPERTY LINE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT FAR FROM BEING IMPOSING WILL BE WELL OBSCURED BY THIS TREE BUFFER FINALLY, THE VIEW OF, UH, OF THE ADDITIONAL STORY, BUT ALSO BE OBSCURED BY THE SHORTER PARTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE FIRST PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS LIMITED UNDER COMPATIBILITY TO 30 FEET SHORTER THAN WHAT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT A SIMILAR LOCATION COULD BE. FORTUNATELY, THERE'S A ROUGHLY 25 FOOT BUILDING ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE AWAY AS OUR 30 FOOT TALL PORTION WOULD BE IDENTIFIED BY THE ORANGE AREAS. AND WHEN YOU STAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 25 FOOT BUILDING AND LOOK UP AT THE 80, 80 FOOT ONE, YOU CANNOT SEE IT. THE 80 FOOT BUILDING IS BACK THERE, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY OBSTRUCTED BY THE SMALLER STRUCTURE. AGAIN, THIS APPROXIMATES, WHAT SOMEONE LOOKING AT THE SHORTEST PORTION OF OUR BUILDING WOULD AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE. IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE OUR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT UP ON BURNET ROAD. NOW I'LL HAND IT OFF TO MICHAEL WHALEN. SO THIS IS A POLICY DECISION BEFORE YOU WHETHER TO LEVERAGE ONE ADDITIONAL STORY IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THESE OUTCOMES, AFFORDABLE UNITS IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA WITH COMPATIBLE HEIGHT, CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS, AND INCREASED CITY REVENUES, AS WELL AS LOWER IMPERVIOUS COVER, LOWER USE INTENSITY AND LOWER VEHICLE TRIP INTENSITY. ULTIMATELY, THIS IS WHAT THE CASE BOILS DOWN TO. AND AS A REMINDER, THIS PROJECT WOULD OFFER THE FIRST INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS IN CRESTVIEW, A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA, AND WOULD ROUGHLY PROVIDE DOUBLE THE AVERAGE ANNUAL AFFORDABLE UNIT PRODUCTION ALONG BURNET ROAD. SO TO RECAP, CORRIDOR PROJECTS HELP THE CITY ACHIEVE ITS VISION OF PROVIDING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS OF DIFFERENT MEANS. AND BACKGROUND BURNET ROAD IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR GROWTH IN PROJECTS LIKE 71 13 BURNET ARE CRITICAL TO HELPING THE CITY BUILD OUT THE CORRIDORS INFRASTRUCTURE, 71 13 BURNETTS INCREMENT OF GROWTH. THE ONE ADDITIONAL STORY IS FULLY COMPATIBLE AND IS LOCATED OVER A FOOTBALL FIELD LENGTH AWAY FROM THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, LOOKING AT THE LIST HERE, UM, HELP ME OUT. I HAD ON THE LIST FOR SPEAKING FOR ALSO A TANNER BLAIR AND, UH, DANIELLE, UH, REGAL, OR ARE YOU JUST LISTED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK, THIS IS TANNER. OKAY. DID YOU WISH TO HAVE A MINUTE TO SPEAK? SURE. OKAY. YOU HAVE ONE GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S STANDARD BLAIR. I LIVED NEAR THE SITE AND I CALLED LAST WEEK TO TELL YOU WHY I PERSONALLY SUPPORT ADDING HOUSING HERE, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE A PETITION THAT I STARTED THIS FRIDAY OR LAST FRIDAY, I SUPPOSE THEN AS OF THIS MEETING HAS 111 SIGNATURES, UH, THE SIGNED ON TO UPDATING THE SITE TO MSA, TO HELP OUT, TO HELP THE CITY MEET ITS HOUSING TRANSIT AND CLIMATE GOALS. I'LL SAY THE PETITION LANGUAGE. I SENT IT TO YOU IN AN EMAIL, BUT YOU CAN CHECK IT LATER, BUT THEY ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE COMMENTS ON THE, AND I'M GOING TO READ IT, MANY OF THEM UNTIL YOU CUT ME OFF, IT MAKES SENSE. UH, SOMEONE SAID, I LIVE OFF OF BURNETT AND I BIKED BY THIS VACANT LOT ON AN ANTI COMMERCIAL SPACE. OFTEN, THIS IS THE PERFECT LOCATION TO BOTH BOOST AUSTIN'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING OBJECTIVES AND REVITALIZE THIS PART OF BURNET WITH MORE RESIDENTS FREQUENT THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. THIS SOUNDS LIKE A WIN FOR HOUSING BUSINESS AND MAINTAIN IT. THE BEAUTY OF THIS AREA. UH, SOMEONE ELSE. WHEN I LIVED IN CRESTVIEW, I USED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE SITE COULD BE USED FOR SO MUCH MORE. NOW I LIVE JUST A BIT NORTH OF HERE AND, UM, AND I HOPE SOMEDAY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE A BIT FURTHER SOUTH. AGAIN, WE DESPERATELY NEED HOUSING, PLEASE APPROVE THIS PLAN AND THEIR ZONING. UH, I LIVE IN CRESTVIEW CLOSE TO THIS LOT. THIS WILL BE A BIG IMPROVEMENT ON THE CURRENT SITE AND MAKE MY WALKS ON BURNET, MUCH MORE PLEASANT. UH, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AUSTIN AND HOUSING. THE IS TO AMENITIES. UH, MORE DENSITY, MORE MEANS MORE PEOPLE CAN [00:25:01] FIND A PLACE TO LIVE. WE ASKED FOR MORE HOUSING AT CENTRAL LESSON. UH, SOMEONE ELSE SAYS I'M CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT I GET MAILED FOR THIS NOTIFICATION TO GET MAILED NOTIFICATIONS ABOUT IT. UH, PLEASE. YES. IN MY BACKYARD. OKAY. RIGHT. THAT'S A MINUTE, SIR. I'M SORRY. SUPPORT. WHEN WE NEED HOUSING, PLEASE PUT IT HERE IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA. ALL RIGHT. UH, I HAVE DANIELLE, IS IT, UH, REGAL? HI. YES. IT'S DANIEL. HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN? NO, I THINK WE LOST YOU. UH, YES. IT'S DANIEL REGAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. UH, I HAVE MY SEVEN MONTH OLD BABY WITH ME. SO YOU MAY HEAR HER EXPRESSING HER OPINIONS IN THE BACKGROUND. I HAVE BEEN AN AUSTINITE SINCE 2005, AND I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE AUSTIN PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COUNCIL. I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY, I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE HOUSING PROJECT PROPOSED FOR SEVEN 71 13 BURNET RAID AUSTIN IS FACING A SERIOUS HOUSING SHORTAGE AND AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS. THIS PROJECT WOULD HELP ADDRESS BOTH PROBLEMS BY PROVIDING 330 NEW UNITS AND CREATING 33 DESIGNATED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, BURNETT ROAD ALSO MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, IT'S AN IMAGINE AUSTIN CORRIDOR AND A TRANSIT PRIORITY PRIORITY NETWORK CORRIDOR. ANNOTATED IS VERY WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE BY WALK. SCORE IS EXACTLY WHERE WE NEED TO BUILD MORE HOUSING. UM, I'VE TRAVELED ON BURNET ROAD NUMEROUS TIMES ON FOOT IN A CAR, ON A BICYCLE AND ON THE BUS. I BELIEVE THIS WOULD ADD TREMENDOUS VALUE TO THE CORRIDOR AS WELL, TO AS WELL TO THE GREATEST GREATER AUSTIN COMMUNITY. UM, THANK YOU FOR TAKING FOR LONG, MAYBE TO TALK TONIGHT, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR SPEAKERS, UH, IN FAVOR. AND NOW WE'LL START. THOSE THAT ARE OPPOSED. AND FIRST ON THE LIST IS BRAD RUSSELL FOLLOWED BY CHIP HARRIS. UH, MR. RUSSELL'S STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. HEY, THIS IS BRAD ROSS. HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN PLEASE. UH, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. OKAY. GOT IT. THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY, ABUTS, THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, I REPRESENT THE RESIDENCE OF PARTY CIRCLE AND HARDY DRIVE. AS I MENTIONED AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING, THE RESIDENTS OF HARDY CIRCLE AND HARDY DRIVE ARE GOING TO BE MOST NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT DUE TO BEING LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY TOPICS OF CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS, OUR HEIGHT AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN TRAFFIC INTO THE STREETS OF CRESTVIEW, PRIVACY, NOISE, SAFETY OF RESIDENTS, SAFETY OF ONLY HAVING ONE TRAFFIC LIGHT FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS TO BURNET ROAD AND REZONING PRECEDENTS THAT WOULD BE ESTABLISHED IN THIS AREA WITH THIS APPROVAL. THE RESIDENTS AND PARTY CIRCLE IN HARDY DRIVE HAVE AGREED UPON TERMS OF A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. AT THIS TIME. IT HAS NOT BEEN FILED WITH THE COUNTY YET, BUT WE HAVE AGREED THAT IT WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE BEEN FILED WITH THE COUNTY BEFORE THE FIRST READING OF CITY COUNCIL. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IS CONTINGENT SOLELY UPON THE MF SIX PROPOSAL BEING APPROVED AS REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER. THIS MEANS FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL ONLY AGREES TO MF FOUR OR ADDS CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS TO MS SIX, THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WILL BE VOID AND THE BENEFICIARIES WILL BE LEFT UNPROTECTED. THEREFORE, OUR CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS THAT THE PROJECT WILL BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS THAT WILL VOID THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT AND THE PROJECT WILL BE BUILT. ANYWAY, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THE DEVELOPER THAT THEY'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING IS ENOUGH. SIX IS ACHIEVED UNCONDITIONALLY. SO WE ARE AWARE OF THE REALITY THAT THEY OR SOMEONE ELSE COULD JUST CONTINUE WITH THE PROJECT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS APPROVED. SO BE CLEAR IF YOU APPROVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN MS. SIX, THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE PROTECTION FROM MERCY COVENANT. THANKS. AND I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS TIM HARRIS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. HELLO. I HEAR YOU GO AHEAD. I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A COMMENT FROM MY PRESENTATION AT THE LAST MEETING AND JUST SAY THE CITY PLANNING GUIDELINES STATE THAT MAY BE APPLIED TO USE YOUR COMMERCIAL FACILITIES. AN AREA ADJACENT TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ARE A MAJOR INSTITUTIONAL OUR EMPLOYMENT CENTER. THIS PROPERTY FAILS TO MEET ANY OF THOSE CRITERIA [00:30:01] TO QUALIFY FOR I'M IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S APPROPRIATE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION. . THANK YOU, TODD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NEXT WE HAVE MIKE LIVING STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. ALL RIGHT. THANKS COMMISSIONERS. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES, I DID. YEAH. ONE MINUTE. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST GOING TO READ YOU THE LETTER THAT I SENT YOU ALL, BUT TO REITERATE IT ACROSS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS NOT TAKING AN OFFICIAL POSITION ON THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES AT THIS TIME, DUE TO COVID ERA RULES REQUIRING A UNANIMOUS DECISION FOR SUCH A LETTER TO BE SENT. THEREFORE, DESPITE MY ROLE AS PRESIDENT OF CUSTODY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, IN MY BELIEF THAT MY OPINION REPRESENTS A SUPER MAJORITY OF OUR EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, THIS LETTER AND MY, MY STATEMENT HERE COMES TO YOU AS MY ROLE AS A PARTICIPANT IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH MR GARDENY AND THE RESIDENTS OF PARTY CIRCLE OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. UM, ALTHOUGH MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OF COURSE, OF THE FRONT OF THIS STRUCTURE NOT BE BUILT, UM, BORDERING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WOULD BE TALLER THAN 55 FEET. I RECOGNIZE THAT IN AN UPPER TO THIS CHUNK OF DENSITY, THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR INSTRUCTORS WILL BE HIGHER TO ACCOMMODATE MORE UNITS AND ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE UNITS. I WANT TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE HEARTY CIRCLE AGREEMENT RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IS ENFORCED. AND, UM, MR. GODADDY HAS ENGAGED IN GOOD FAITH, UH, FAR WE'VE COME TO AN AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, UH, THAT DOCUMENTS THINGS CIRCULATED AS WE SPEAK. UM, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PRECEDENT HERE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS KEPT LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE, UH, COMPATIBILITY REQUESTS OF NEAREST NEIGHBORS ARE AGREED TO, AND JUST BECAUSE THEY COULD GET ENTITLEMENTS TO VOTE HIGHER, IT JUST, IT IS SUITABLE FOR THIS BLOCK. AND THEY AGREE TO THAT FOR THESE REASONS. I DON'T WANT TO STAY IN THE WAY THERE'S ON HER REQUESTS, THAT MY OPPOSITION TO THIS SHOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE BEEN, SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FOUR, NOT AGAINST ON THE WITNESS LIST, BUT I THINK A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, CENTRAL PURPOSE TO GIVE NEIGHBORS A STRONGER VOICE THAN THEY WOULD HAVE. THEY STOOD ALONE. I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBORS ON HARDY CIRCLE, I'VE GOTTEN A BETTER DEAL THAN THEY WOULD HAVE ON THEIR OWN. AND I HOPE YOUR VOTE WILL HELP SECURE THEIR DEAL. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN NICE DEALING WITH DISREGARD GT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN LIKE THE STRUCTURAL OR SOMETHING. IT'S JUST A, THE FRESH AIR, THOSE OF BIG, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD. UH, WE'RE PAST OUR MINUTE. UH, SO I NEED TO GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. THANK YOU. I SAID MY PLEASE. THANKS. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE BARBARA MACARTHUR NEXT. HI, MY NAME IS BRYAN SPEAKING FOR BRENTWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. GO. YEAH, I'M SORRY. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. OKAY. MY NAME IS BARBARA MACARTHUR SPEAKING FOR BRENTWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STEERING COMMITTEE LOCATED DIRECTLY SOUTH OF CREST IS GRANTING MS. SIX AT 90 FEET WOULD PROVIDE SPECIAL PRIVILEGES TO THIS OWNER, SETTING UP MY PRECEDENT FOR ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ROAD FROM 45TH TO ANDERSON LANE. IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. MID-BLOCK ON THE TRACK. IT'S ONLY SAFE ACCESS TO BURNETT ROAD THROUGH IT'S THROUGH A RECIPROCAL ACCESS AGREEMENT. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF MFO WITH COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE AND BRENTWOOD WE'RE SUPPORTING AND LOOKING FORWARD TO TWO NEW LARGE PROJECTS THAT WILL PROVIDE AROUND 600 UNITS. AND FOR YOU IT'S DOABLE. AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION IN EARLY 20, 20 COA DEMOGRAPHER ESTIMATED THERE 74,266 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THE PIPELINE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR ITS SITE PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, JOSEPH REYNOLDS STAR SIX 78 COMMISSIONERS. I'M JOE REYNOLDS. I LIVE ON WEST 49TH STREET. I'M A MEMBER OF THE ALLENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ZONING LAND USE COMMITTEE. I'M PREPARED TONIGHT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE INCREASED RISK CAUSED BY TRAFFIC FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT. I TALK TRAFFIC NOW BECAUSE THE NORMAL PERMIT PROCESS HAS TRAFFIC CONSIDERED THE TIME OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL. AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC FORUM. THEN FURTHER YOUR DECISION TONIGHT SINCE THE SCOPE VOLUME AND CHARACTER OF THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE WRONG THING TONIGHT AND HUNDREDS OF CARS WITH DRIVERS FOCUSED ON GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE'LL BE DRIVING ON NARROW NEIGHBORHOODS STREETS WITH KIDS AND PETS. CARS WILL BE TURNING AROUND USING SOME HOUSE'S DRIVEWAY OR THEY WILL. YOU TURN INTO AN INTERSECTION. WE STUDIED ALL OF THIS WHEN WORKING ON THE BURNETT ROAD CORRIDOR PROJECT, I'M ALSO PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE NECESSARY HEIGHTS FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT. IN RESPONSE [00:35:01] TO MR. GUTTING, THESE PRESENTATIONS REPEATEDLY MENTIONED 340 APARTMENTS. I DID A STRAIGHTFORWARD STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT HEIGHT WAS NEEDED TO GET THE THREE 40. I FOUND THAT 340 APARTMENTS AND PARKING FOR EACH OF THEM CAN BE DONE UNDER 40 FEET AT 50 FEET, AN EXTRA 85 LARGE TWO BEDROOM UNITS CAN BE ADDED. AND AT 65 FEET, ANOTHER 64 LARGE THREE BEDROOMS I'VE SENT BACKGROUND AND HANDOUT MATERIALS ON BOTH TOPICS BEFORE THE MAY 25TH STATION AND ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC JUST THE OTHER DAY. THANK YOU. I'LL WAIT LATER FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NEXT WE HAVE CANDACE, UH, RANKIN STAR SIX, EIGHT. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN PLEASE CONTINUE. YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. YES. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ON JAMES RANKEN, A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT SEVEN IN ALLENDALE, AND I SERVE ON THE ELLENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD. I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF TODAY AND I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO KNOWING THE MF SIX REQUESTS AND ADOPTED ZONING RECOMMENDATION MADE BY YOUR SENIOR PLANNER FOR THAT MODERATE DENSITY LEVEL, MS. FOR ZONING WOULD STILL BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE ASM P AND IMAGINE AUSTIN CONCEPTS, THE HIGHEST DENSITY ZONING. IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. CONSIDERING THIS LOCATION AS A TOD SITE WOULD BE PREMATURE AND OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS COMMISSION'S DECISION MAKING PROCESS. THIS LOCATION IS NOT RIGHT FOR THAT KIND OF DESIGNATION BECAUSE THE BUS ROUTES AND SCHEDULES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE, AND THE RESOLUTION IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS. THE APPLICATION IS AN EFFORT TO SET AN MARKER ON BURNET ROAD AND BUILD THE HIGHEST HOUSING DENSITY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, UH, NEXT WE HAVE RANDOMLY HIRSCH. OH YES. GREAT. FROM THE SITE AND I FREQUENT THE SITE OFTEN I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CITY BATHS RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS PROPERTY, REZONING IT TO . THIS REZONING CASE IS ON YOUR, UM, IT, IT IS HERE TODAY. I'M WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTIVE AND EXCITED BY TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ALONG THIS CONGESTED CONGESTED SECTION OF BURNETT ROAD. THIS, IT IS GREAT THAT THIS EXISTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS BEING SLIPPED AND WE'LL SEE FAMILY AND LIKE THE CITY STAFF, I DO NOT SUPPORT IN THAT STICK ZONING IN THIS LOCATION, UH, THAT THAT APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO ME, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF WITH A CAP OF 60 FEET HEIGHTS IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY. CONSIDERING THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, PUTTING THIS PROPERTY IN A CALORIE CATEGORY WITH A HIGHER HEIGHT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO SPECULATIVE DEVELOPMENT OF LOWER BURNET ROAD PROPERTIES THAT BORDER FAMILY HOMES, AND WILL BE THE TALLEST BUILDINGS. THIS IDEA OF MF BELONG IN THE DOMAIN. IT BELONGS DOWNTOWN. IT JUST DOESN'T BELONG ON THIS LOCATION IN BURNETT ROAD, PLEASE CONSIDER SUPPORTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF AND KEEP WITH THE RELATED DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, SUPPORTING THE NEEDS THAT THE LOCALLY OWNED SMALL BUSINESSES AND THE FAMILIES LIVING ALONGSIDE THIS STRETCH OF BURNET ROAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR SERVICE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS, UH, OPPOSING THIS ITEM. WE'LL GO AHEAD. AND, UM, I GUESS WE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I DON'T THINK I NEED TO DO THAT. YES. I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE THE APPLICANT REVITAL. WE DID THAT LAST TIME. YES. AND I DON'T THINK I NEED THAT CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING CAUSE WE DID THAT LAST TIME. ANDREW, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT MR. RIVERA? SURE. THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO Q AND A, WHICH WE DIDN'T GET TO LAST TIME IF YOU REMEMBER, IT WAS REALLY LATE. AND, UH, SO, UH, WHO HAS THE FIRST QUESTION? WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, MOOSE TODDLER. I THINK THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION I'M STILL LEARNING. SO I APOLOGIZE WHEN, BECAUSE WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. IS THAT GOING TO DICTATE THE COMPATIBILITY? IF I'M LEARNING THE LANGUAGE RIGHT ABOUT WHAT THE DEVELOPER CAN DO AND WHAT PROXIMITY, UM, IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, NO MATTER WHETHER WE DO AND THE FOUR MF SIX FOR THEM, [00:40:03] UM, COMMISSURES MARK GRAHAM, CITY STAFF, UH, RESPONDING TO THAT QUESTION. YES. THE PRESENCE OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONING OR USE, UM, WILL DICTATE THE HEIGHT, UM, FARMING COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS, WHETHER IT'S OKAY. SO EVEN IF WE GIVE THEM MF SIX AND ALL OF THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE, THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WOULD BE LIMITED INTO HOW FAR BACK THAT GOES. I KNOW THEY PRESENTED THAT, BUT IT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE CAN'T HOLD THE DEVELOPER TO THAT ONCE WE APPROVE IT, BUT THE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS ARE GOING TO OVERRIDE THAT SO THAT THEY CAN'T HIT THAT. SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HIT THAT, THAT HEIGHT RIGHT BACK BY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT WOULD BE AS THEY HAVE PRESENTED TO US CLOSER TO THE CORRIDOR. YES. THE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS WILL KEEP THE HEIGHTS DOWN NEAR THE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, I BELIEVE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, PUSHED THEIR HEIGHT EVEN FURTHER THAN THE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS WOULD REQUIRE, PUSH IT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OR SNYDER. UH, SO, UH, I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARITY ABOUT THIS PROBABLY FROM STAFF, UM, AND, UH, APOLOGIZE. UM, UH, I'M JUST NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND. UH, SO THERE, IS THERE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR IS THERE AS THE APPLICANT REVISED THEIR APPLICATION TO LIMIT HEIGHT TO 75 FEET AND TO DO THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT DESCRIBED IN THEIR, UM, BRIEF MINUTES THAT THEY HAD TODAY? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HOUSING EMPLOYMENT STAFF, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS A PRIVATE, RESTRICTIVE, COVENANT BEING NEGOTIATED THAT HAS THAT INFORMATION IN IT. I'M I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT AGREEMENT. SO, UM, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT OKAY. FROM THE AD, LIKE, YES. UM, SO , UH, AGENCY, THE APPLICANT. UM, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND YES, SO WE HAVE, UM, WE'VE WORKED AT A PRIVATE AGREEMENT. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SEPARATE FROM THE ZONING, UM, THAT DOES A NUMBER OF THINGS. AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS LIMITS THE HEIGHT 75 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT IT WORKS FOR OUR PROJECT. IT'S STILL ALLOWED TO ALLOWS US TO HIT OUR UNIT COUNT, UM, AND LIMITS THE HEIGHT TO 40 FEET WITHIN 200 FEET OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, WHICH AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IS ACTUALLY MORE, MORE EXPANSIVE. IT PROVIDES MORE COMPATIBILITY THAN WHAT THE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS ALREADY PROVIDE. UM, AND ALSO A 30 FOOT SETBACK. BUT I KNOW, I KNOW MY TIME'S LIMITED AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY WHERE WE ARE OPEN TO. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'RE OPEN TO HAVING THAT IN THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY PROVISIONS AS WELL. THAT WOULD NOT VOID THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. THAT WOULD BE ENTIRELY BECAUSE WE AGREE WITH THOSE PROVISIONS. THAT WAS MY FOLLOWUP. OKAY. SO, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, YOU, UH, YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, UH, UM, THE RESIDENT WHO WAS CONCERNED, UH, THAT ANYTHING THAT WE PUT IN THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY WOULD VOID THIS RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, CORRECT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT WONKY, BUT JUST, UM, BECAUSE THEY FELT MORE COMFORTABLE FILING THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT PRIOR TO OUR FINAL READING AT CITY COUNCIL. UH, WE JUST NEEDED TO KNOW THAT WHATEVER GETS APPROVED, WE'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO BUILD OUR PROJECT. UM, OTHERWISE IT'S, IT RESTRICTS THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE UNABLE TO EVEN GET TO THAT LEVEL. UM, SO W WHAT YOU SAID, AND WHAT WE DID AGREE TO IS THAT AS LONG AS WE'RE, AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH SOMETHING, THEN EVERYTHING, THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT STILL STANDS. AND ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE PROVISIONS, I JUST READ ARE THINGS THAT STILL ALLOW US TO DO THAT. AND THAT I'M SAYING HERE ON THE RECORD, WE AGREE TO THOSE PROVISIONS. AND SO THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT THIS. GREAT. UH, AND THEN WHEN YOU SAY 75 FEET, IS THAT A OVERALL HEIGHT, OR IS THERE SOMETHING ON OF THAT 75 FOOT OVERALL HEIGHT LIMIT? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM COMMISSIONERS ARE, THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. RUSSELL. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT HE HAD MENTIONED IN AN EMAIL, AND I'VE BEEN, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD RECEIVED [00:45:01] REGARDING THE COVENANT THAT ARE CONSIDERING THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION OF NOT ALLOWING BALCONIES, BUT RATHER GOING FOR JULIET BALCONIES. CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT, MR. RUSSELL? YES. THE JULIET BALCONIES ARE A BALCONY THAT DOESN'T HAVE, UM, A SURFACE TO WALK OUT UPON. SO I THINK IN RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, IT WAS LIKE SIX INCHES, UM, YOU KNOW, PROTRUDING OUT. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST A, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, I FORGET WHAT THE TERM WOULD BE, BUT YOU BASICALLY CAN'T GO WALK OUT AND SIT OUT ON A BALCONY AND THAT WOULD BE APPLYING TO ANYTHING FACING, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY LINES. AND SO THAT WAS WHAT WE ASKED FOR, AND THAT WAS WHAT MR. GAINEY AND THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO. AND PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY Y'ALL MADE THAT REQUEST. LIKE, WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND REQUESTING JULIET BALCONIES? THE REASONING WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE, UM, A PERSON LIVING IN AN APARTMENT THAT IS BUILT 30 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINES, AND THEY HAVE A REGULAR, UH, BALCONY THAT PROTRUDES OUT AND THEY PUT A CHAIR OUT THERE OR A COUCH OUT THERE, THEY CAN HANG OUT, UH, AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO BE AS LOUD AS THEY WANT, BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION AND THEY CAN ONLY OPEN THEIR WINDOW TO LOOK OUT AND MAYBE SMOKE OR SOMETHING, THAT'S GOING TO LIMIT THE USE AND THE, THE NOISE LEVEL AND THE PRIVACY CONCERNS AS MUCH AS REASONABLY REASONABLY POSSIBLE. WE CAN'T PREVENT THEM FROM HAVING ANY ABILITY WHATSOEVER TO OPEN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK OUT AND, AND ET CETERA, BUT IT KIND OF MINIMIZES THAT, THAT PRIVACY AND ANNOYANCE AND COMFORTABILITY IMPACT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. AND CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK TO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE PRIVACY ASPECT? LIKE, WHAT IS THE CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD REGARDING PRIVACY FROM BALCONIES? UH, WELL, OKAY. SO IF THEY'RE ON THE SECOND STORY, THEY CAN LOOK INTO, UM, ALL THE HOMES THAT ARE SURROUNDING AND THE ABILITY TO BE OUT, OUT THERE ON A BALCONY FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME IS GOING TO, UH, THAT THERE'S MORE IMPACT ON OUR PRIVACY BECAUSE THE LONGER THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE, UH, THE MORE THAT THEY CAN SPEND TIME OUTSIDE AND THEY CAN POTENTIALLY LOOK INTO ALL THE SURROUNDING BACKYARDS THAT ARE, THAT ARE WITHIN 25 OR 30 FEET FROM THE SECOND STORY, OR THE THIRD STORY, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE, I BELIEVE, UH, THE 30 FEET, UH, HIGH IS, IS TWO STORIES AND THE 40 FEET ICE IS THREE STORIES. SO IT'S A WAY TO LIMIT THEIR USE OF BALCONIES BY NOT HAVING BALCONIES, THEY CAN SIT OUT ON. SO, MR. S JUST, I THINK ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT ACTUALLY, IF I, IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE APARTMENT IS LIMITED TO 30 FEET, THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ARE ACTUALLY LIMITED TO 32 FEET. SO YOUR HOUSE WILL ACTUALLY BE HIGHER THAN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WILL BE ON. AND I GUESS MY FOLLOWUP QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU SAY THAT SIMILAR PRIVACY PRODUCTIONS WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE DENTISTS FROM YOUR YARDS? LIKE, WILL YOU LIMIT HOW LONG YOU STAY OUT IN YOUR YARD CONSIDERING THE INCONVENIENCE THAT YOU MAKE? CAUSE THEN BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF MY HOUSE IS EQUAL TO THE HEIGHT OF A TWO STORY, APARTMENT COMPLEX, OR THREE STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT WHEN YOU HIRE, HIRE, BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE IS A LOT TO FEED. MY HOUSE IS HIGHER THAN THAT. WELL, I DON'T HAVE A TWO STORY HOUSE, SO I CAN'T LOOK DOWN INTO THEIR HOMES. SO I'M, I'M, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS, OR MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION, LET ME PHRASE THAT. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, ONE, THERE'S IT, I DISCREPANCIES, HONESTLY, IT'S NOT LIKE THE SINGLE-FAMILY IN DOCUMENTS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE EXACTLY THE SAME IF ACTUALLY NOT MORE THAN WHAT IS LOVE FOR THE DEPARTMENT. SO I JUST WANT TO REALLY CLARIFY THAT. AND IT'S NOT AS IF MY BUILDINGS ARE ABOUT TO GO WITH THAT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING THAT IS 30 FEET, 30 FEET FROM THE, FROM THE POVERTY LINE AND IS ACTUALLY LOWER IN HEIGHTENED DOCUMENTS THAN WHAT THE SINGLE FAMILY IS. BUT MY QUESTION WAS, I THINK YOU WERE SAYING THAT IF PEOPLE HANG OUT, DEPENDING ON THE HOURS THAT THEY HANG OUT, IT MIGHT BE INCONVENIENCE TO THE NEIGHBORS. AND I'M WONDERING, DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY INCONVENIENCE THEM FROM USING YOUR YARD AT LATE HOURS? AND WOULD YOU MAKE ANY LIMITATION ON HOW LONG DO YOU USE FOR YARD? UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW, IF [00:50:01] I'M HANGING OUT IN MY BACKYARD, THAT WOULD INCONVENIENCE SOMEONE ON A SECOND STORY OR A THIRD STORY THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. I CAN'T LOOK UP INTO THEIR HOMES. LIKE THEY CAN LOOK DOWN INTO OUR BACKYARDS. SO I'M JUST NOT, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW CAN, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR THEM OUT OF DYING. IF I HAVE MORE TIME ALSO, THEY WERE AT A TIME COMMISSIONER COPS. YEAH. I JUST, I WANTED TO THANK, UH, BOTH THE APPLICANTS AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS FOR ALL THE EFFORT, UH, COMMUNICATION AND COORDINATION THEY PUT INTO THIS. UM, I'M SURE CAROUSEL AND I HAVE SPENT WAY MORE TIME LOOKING AND READING THROUGH THIS STUFF. I APPRECIATE MR. GODSEY AND HE'S VERY LENGTHY KNOW THAT I'VE TRIED TO READ THROUGH, UH, EXPLAINING EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. I HAD A QUESTION, UM, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE HEIGHT LIMIT, UH, CYANOTIC DID 75 FEET. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS HAD AGREED TO. UH, AND THEN THE EXPANDED COMPATIBILITY, UH, UH, NOT EXCEED 40 FEET WITHIN 200 FEET. THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO. I'M LOOKING THROUGH THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT PROVISION THAT MR GARDENY HAD SENT ME, WHICH WOULD LOOKS LIKE, UH, AN EXCELLENT LIST OF THINGS THAT, THAT ARE TRYING TO, TO TOUCH ON, UH, MOST OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORS CONCERN, MOST OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BROUGHT UP AS CONCERNS. BUT I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF, REALLY. JUST ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, I THINK A LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. UM, I'VE SEEN HOW NICER THINGS CAN BE WHEN THERE'S LANDSCAPE BUFFERS. AND THERE IS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA PROVISION IN THE RESTRICTIVE, THE PROPOSED RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. AND MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS UNDER THE EXISTING CODE THAT THEY WOULD BE OPERATING UNDER. ARE THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY LANDSCAPING BUFFER BETWEEN THEIR BUILDINGS AND THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE REAR ALREADY, OR, OR IS THIS LANDSCAPER LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA IN THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE DOING? CONDITIONED. HASN'T BEEN PLANNING. SORRY. I HAD A MEETING PROBLEM. UM, THE ANSWER IS COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS REQUIRE BUFFERING, INCLUDING SOLID FENCE AND LANDSCAPING. I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T HEAR THEM. YEAH. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU THERE. OKAY. LET ME TRY IT AGAIN. MARK GRAHAM WITH HOUSING AND PLANNING, THERE IS REQUIRED BUFFER IN THE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE A SOLID FENCE AND LANDSCAPING TO BUFFER THIS USE FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY. OKAY. AND THEN, I GUESS, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT TO MR. GARDENY WITH THE APPLICANT, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS THAT Y'ALL ARE PROPOSING, I SEE HERE 10 SHADE TREES, MINIMUM THREE INCH CALIPER INCHES, A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THAT YOU'LL PROMISE TO DO ON A LANDSCAPE BUFFER. UM, IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? YES. UM, I'M NOT A LANDSCAPER BY TRADE, BUT IN SPEAKING WITH OUR LANDSCAPING, UH, EXPERTS ON THIS PRIOR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, THE PROGRAM THAT THE CITY RUNS OPERATES ON KIND OF A NUMBER OF YOU GRANT GAIN CREDITS FOR DOING CERTAIN THINGS AS WELL, AND THAT WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING IS ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, WHAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED THEM TO THE EXISTING CODE. YES, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. GARDENY. UH, THE JULIET BALCONIES ISSUE THAT WE WERE JUST HEARING ABOUT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO RESTRICT BALCONIES, UH, FACING THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND HARDY CIRCLE AND HARDY DRIVE. Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE AGREED TO RESTRICT THOSE TO JULIET BALCONIES, CORRECT. UH, THAT IS IT'S PROVISIONING THAT WE HAVE AGREED TO. YES. AND YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, WE ARE, WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS HOUSING ON BURNET ROAD AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS, UH, FOCUSES CONCERNS TO HELP GET FOLKS COMFORTABLE WITH HOUSING, UM, IN WHATEVER WAYS WE CAN. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED FOR THIS PROJECT, DANIEL. YES. THAT'S A WONDERFUL ANSWER, MR. GOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO THAT BRINGS US TO A TOTAL OF FOUR COMMISSIONERS. WE [00:55:01] HAVE FOUR SPOTS LEFT. UH, LET ME START WITH COMMISSIONER. UH, FINALLY, AND THEN IF WE HAVE SPACE, CAN MR. SNYDER WE'LL, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. UM, YEAH. THANK YOU, TODD. UH, MIKE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER SHAW. MY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF AND I WAS JUST VERY INTERESTED IN LOOKING THROUGH, UH, THE WAY THE PROJECT ALIGNS WITH OUR IMAGINE AUSTIN PLANNING PRINCIPLES. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT STAFF BROKE IT DOWN FOR US. UM, I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, IMAGINE AUSTIN PLANNING PRINCIPLES THAT I THINK DO APPLY TO THIS PROJECT, BUT STAFF MARKED AS NON-APPLICABLE FOR INSTANCE, UH, NUMBER SEVEN, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT PRESERVING PARKS AND GREEN SPACE AND GREEN STREETS, UM, IN ITEM NINE, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT ENCOURAGING ACTIVE AND HEALTHY LIFESTYLES BY PROMOTING WALKING, AND BIKING AND HEALTHY FOOD CHOICES. UM, ITEM 10, UH, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT EXPANDING THE ECONOMIC BASE 11, WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SUSTAINING AUSTIN'S LIVE MUSIC AND FESTIVALS THEATER, RIGHT? THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT WERE MARKED AS APPLICABLE, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A PROJECT LIKE THIS DOES IN FACT APPLY TO ALL OF THESE AREAS BY HELPING TO SUSTAIN HEALTHIER LIFESTYLES, UH, GROW THE LIVE MUSIC AND ART SCENE AND SO FORTH. UM, AS A RENTER WHO HAS ALWAYS LIVED IN MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS, I KNOW THAT A LARGE PART OF OUR KIND OF CREATIVE COMMUNITY, A LARGE PART OF OUR BIKE RIDERS AND TRANSIT USERS LIVE IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO WHY THAT PROJECT WAS NOT DEEMED APPLICABLE TO THOSE AREAS. UM, MAUREEN MEREDITH HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS. UM, SO STARTING, I'LL START WITH THE 11, I MEAN, AND GROW LIVE MUSIC. I GUESS WHEN I LOOK AT THE APP, THE APPLICATION, I GUESS I'M LOOKING, UH, IS, IS THAT PROJECT GOING TO BRING LIVE MUSIC OR FESTIVALS? I GUESS I DON'T THINK OF IT AS, UH, GROWING THAT. SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY I PUT IT WASN'T APPLICABLE. UM, PERHAPS IF IT WAS DOWNTOWN AND WHEREAS WHERE THERE'S MORE LIVE MUSIC, YOU HAVE THE, UM, THE, UH, MUSIC VENUES DOWN THERE. I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE RATED THAT DIFFERENTLY. UM, FOR NUMBER 10, EXPAND THE ECONOMIC BASE. I SAID, NOT DIRECTLY APPLICABLE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THE PROJECT IS BEING BUILT, THERE'S JOBS THAT ARE CREATED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING IT. UM, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE THE ACTUAL APARTMENT COMPLEX, I SUSPECT, UH, THERE'S ONLY PROBABLY A FEW JOB OPPORTUNITIES. YOU MIGHT HAVE A MANAGER, A COUPLE OF MANAGERS AND A, YOU KNOW, SOME MAINTENANCE STAFF. SO IS IT CREATING A LOT OF JOB OPPORTUNITIES? AND I, SO THAT'S WHY I SAY NOT DIRECTLY APPLICABLE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE A BIG INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX THAT HAS A LOT MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES. SO THAT'S WHY I RATED THAT NOT DIRECTLY APPLICABLE, UM, ENCOURAGING, ACTIVE, HEALTHY LIFESTYLE FOR OUR PROMOTING WALKING, BIKING, HEALTHY FOOD CHOICES, ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. AGAIN, I SAID, YOU'RE NOT DIRECTLY APPLICABLE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BURN IT ROAD, UM, IS IT, IN MY OPINION, A VERY WALKABLE OR BIKEABLE, UM, ROAD, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY FOOD CHOICES. THERE'S SOME GROCERY STORES FURTHER SOUTH, UH, HMM. RESTAURANTS IN THE AREA ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, CORRECT. AND OTHER FOOD CHOICES AND OPPORTUNITIES. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE IN FACT QUITE A FEW OPPORTUNITIES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO THINGS BY WALKING AND BIKING IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY. UM, YEAH, BUT I THINK MY POINT WAS LOST TO, I THINK MY POINT WAS LESS TO SORT OF, UH, PICK ON STAFF ON THIS, BUT REALLY JUST A SORT OF, I, I THINK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ASK WHY WE CAN'T LOOK AT A PROJECT LIKE THIS AND APPRECIATE SOME OF THE LARGER SECONDARY IMPACTS THAT IT DOES HAVE TOWARDS MOVING TOWARDS A LOT OF THESE, UH, IMAGINE AUSTIN PLANNING GOALS. UM, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN, UH, A UP QUESTION TO THAT IS, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY, WELL, I GUESS IF, IF THE PROJECT WAS PERCEIVED TO HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT ON, ON HELPING US ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS, WOULD THAT HAVE, UH, WEIGHED HEAVY, HEAVIER ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF THE, UH, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, THE, THE AMOUNT OF, UM, FOR MF FOUR [01:00:01] TO MF SIX, WOULD THAT HAVE WEIGHED HEAVIER ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT WE WOULD BE ALLOWING TO CREATE ONSITE? OKAY. I'M MARK GRAHAM HOUSING IMPLANTING. I'LL TAKE THAT QUESTION. UM, I THINK WE MADE THE POINT THAT I WOULD MAKE, WHICH IS THAT OUR REPORTS ARE VERY GOOD AT CAPTURING THAT SECONDARY IMPACTS. AND, UM, CERTAINLY THOSE ARE OUR BENEFITS AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN. ALL RIGHT. SO, SORRY, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT A TIME, BUT, UM, UH, DO I SEE COMMISSIONERS WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NOT COMMISSIONER. LET'S GO, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SLOTS. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS BEFORE I LET COMMISSIONER SNYDER HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? OKAY, GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER SNYDER. MY APOLOGIES CHAIR. I HAD, I HAD THREE QUESTIONS AND I DIDN'T TURN MY PAGE. UM, SO, UH, I THINK THIS IS FOR STAFF. UM, UH, DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT WITH, UH, MF DESIGNATION, THERE IS, UH, NO REQUIREMENT FOR ANY SORT OF, UM, RETAIL OR PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR OR, OR IS IT IN FACT THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED? UM, THE, UH, STAFF WITH HOUSING AND PLANNING OF THE MF IS FULLY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY AND, UM, IT'S UNLIKE SITES THAT HAVE A V THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO, UM, UH, REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO IT IN SUNLIGHT, ADDING THE M U TO THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONING, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO HAVE BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS. SO THIS, THIS WILL WE'RE LIMITED TO RESIDENTIAL USES. SO, UM, I GUESS I SORT OF WANT TO BEMOAN THAT FACT THAT, UM, WE'RE BUILDING A LOT OF RESIDENTS, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT, BUT WE'RE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE WALKABILITY, TO HAVE SERVICES AT THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY USED, OR THE NEIGHBORS MIGHT ACTUALLY USE THIS, THE STAFF, OR IN THIS CASE, DID THE STAFF HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT A MORE APPROPRIATE USE, WHICH MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE, WE DO HAVE THE DESIGNATION WE HAVE VMU DESIGNATION THAT, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE, OR I DUNNO IF STAFF SEES ITS ROLE THAT WAY, OR DID IT COME UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS? YES. UH, MARK GRAHAM STAFF ON THAT QUESTION, WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS, ADDING RETAIL AND SERVICE USES COMPLICATES PARKING, I BELIEVE IS THE PRIMARY PROBLEM WITH THAT IN THIS CASE AND A NARROW LOT, UM, DIDN'T PERMIT, UM, HAVING MUCH SURFACE PARKING SO THAT, UM, WE, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS WORTH HOBBING RESIDENTIAL POSTS TO THE STREET, AND THERE'S A COMMERCIAL NEXT DOOR THAT WOULD BE BENEFIT FROM THIS PROJECT. THANKS. THERE IS SOME ABILITY TO, UH, UM, LOWER THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS I UNDERSTAND IT IN VMU, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, SO WE HAVE, UH, ANY MORE COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO GO AND ASK A FEW. AND THE FIRST, UH, I THINK I'D LIKE EITHER MIKE, UH, MICHAEL LEVINE, CHIP HARRIS, SOMEBODY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE, UH, IS AS MANY OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE ON THE COMMISSION. UH, THIS CASE, THIS PROPERTY CAME TO US PREVIOUSLY AND, UM, MANY OF US WERE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEN HAD, UH, UH, FOUGHT FOR WITH HIS A 70 FOOT, UH, HEIGHT LIMIT. AND I GUESS I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, REPRESENTATIVE, UM, WHAT DO THEY THINK HAS CHANGED BETWEEN WHEN WE SAW THIS CASE THIS TIME AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW? BECAUSE IT APPEARS WHERE, UH, WANTING STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, INSTEAD OF THAT 75 FEET, WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT HAS CHANGED FUNDAMENTALLY, UH, WITH THIS CASE BETWEEN WHEN WE [01:05:01] HEARD IT LESS, DO WE HAVE MIKE LEVINE OR SOMEBODY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CRESTVIEW NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH. THIS IS MIKE RAVINE. UM, WHAT HAS CHANGED WAS HAD A, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS, I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE THERE'S NO CONTACT TEAM ON NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICIAL POSITION ON THAT TO BE VERY CLEAR, BUT, UM, THERE, SO THERE AND THERE NEVER WAS THAT THAT I'M AWARE OF. WE, WE DID NOT LIKE THE HEIGHT ORIGINALLY, BUT WE REALIZED MANY OF US REALIZED THAT THE BEST WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND THEIR, UM, THEIR QUALITY WAC WAS PRESERVED AND THAT THEIR RIGHTS, THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS WERE PRESERVED WITH, TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE BUILDER, WITH THE DEVELOPER. AND, UH, AND WE'VE DONE SO, AND IN GOOD FAITH AND I WOULD BOTH SIDES AND BOTH SIDES HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT, UH, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY PRESERVES, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PRIVACY AND, AND, AND ACCOUNTABILITY. UM, AND THE BROTHER HAS GIVEN A LITTLE BIT, AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE GIVEN PROBABLY MORE THAN THEY'D LIKE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH AND ACCEPT A PRECEDENT FOR OTHER DEVELOPERS, AS WE NOTED ON THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE A FEEDING FRENZY. AND WE KNOW Y'ALL WANT TO PUSH AS MUCH DENSITY AS YOU CAN THERE. AND MANY OF YOU ALL ON THIS COMMISSION DON'T REALLY CARE HOW HIGH IT IS WE DO. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRECEDENT ISN'T NET 90 FEET AND ENDED UP THE PRECEDENT THAT THEY'D COME AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, AND WE THEY'VE DONE THAT AND THEY'VE DONE IT WILLINGLY AND NOT THE GRUDGINGLY AND HAPPILY. AND, UH, AND THAT SHOULD BE THE WAY THAT IT HAS DONE IN THE FUTURE AND NOT JUST PUT UPON US. SO FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I PERSONALLY AM BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. OKAY. LET ME, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND I, THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK, UM, IN THE Q AND A, UH, THERE LAST TIME, THIS WAS BEFORE US, UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ASKED KIND OF COMPARING BETWEEN THIS AND THE CASE, ANOTHER CASE WE HAVE ON LAMAR, WHICH ARE BOTH, UM, TRANSIT CORRIDORS, CORKRIN TRANSIT CORRIDORS, AND KIND OF WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WERE. AND ONE, IN ONE CASE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED MSX AND IN THIS CASE, MF FOUR. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF KIND OF WHAT, WHAT GOES INTO THE DECISION-MAKING ON A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR, WHY YOU WOULD RECOMMEND ONE LEVEL OF INTENSITY VERSUS THE OTHER. UH, SO IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO KIND OF THAT DECISION PROCESS, THAT WOULD HELP ME. YES. CHAIR, MARK GRAHAM FOR TINY AND HOUSING STAFF. UM, AND I DON'T RECALL THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION FROM BEFORE, BUT GENERALLY I THINK THE CONSENSUS OF THE ZONING STAFF, WHICH IS HOW WE ARRIVED AT, AT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE, THE HEIGHT AND COMPLEXITY, I'M SORRY, HEIGHT AND DENSITY OF THE MLS SIX WAS TOO MUCH FOR THIS AREA. AND WE LOOK AT IT AT THE MAXIMUM. BUILD-OUT NOT NECESSARILY AT THE REDUCED, UM, OFFER THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE. SO I'M IMAGINING THE MAXIMUM DENSITY OF MF SIX, UM, AND OBSERVING COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS SEEM LIKE TOO BIG A PROJECT FOR THIS SITE. OKAY. SO WHAT, WHAT CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND ALONG THE CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR WOULD, UH, WOULD JUSTIFY MSX? WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WOULD YOU SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THAT PROPERTY THAT WOULD SAY THAT MSX IS OKAY. UM, I'D LIKE TO EXPAND ON THE LAST FOR, TO ANSWER THIS ONE, BUT THE, THE NARROWNESS OF THE PROPERTY, UM, MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO ACCOMPLISH THE CIRCULATION OF VEHICLES, UH, IN AND OUT AND TO HAVE, UM, UH, IT'S A LOT OF BMS, SIX PROJECTS HAVE A, UH, DECK, WHICH IS ENCLOSED OR SURROUNDED BY THE BUILDINGS THERE, ISN'T THE SAME KIND OF OPPORTUNITY ON, ON THIS NARROW SITE. OKAY. I AM AT A TIME. UH, SO, UM, WE HAVE A SLOT FOR ONE MORE COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, FOUR QUESTIONS JUST AROUND THE ROOM. OKAY. SO, UM, WITH THAT, WE ARE [01:10:01] DONE WITH OUR Q AND A, AND, UH, I, UM, I'M GOING TO GO OUT AND MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ONE, UH, WHICH I HAVEN'T DONE A LOT LATELY, BUT I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN REALLY INVOLVED WITH THIS. LIKE I SAID, WHEN THIS CAME TO US PREVIOUSLY AND MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE, UH, FOR MSX, WITH CONDITIONS AND THOSE CONDITIONS, UH, CONDITIONER OVERLAY CONDITIONS WOULD BE A KAPPA, THE SEVEN, UH, UH, CAP 75 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT, UM, WOULD LIMIT THE HEIGHT TO 40 FEET TO 200 FEET FROM THE, UH, PROPERTY LINES OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND LASTLY, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS ALL ALSO MENTIONED, UH, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO, UH, WAS A 30 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINES TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. UH, IN MY, I JUST FEEL LIKE, UH, ALL THE WORK THAT, UM, THAT WENT INTO THIS THE LAST TIME AND THE REASONS WHY KIND OF PULLING BACK FROM THAT DENSITY ALONG THE CORRIDOR, UH, IT SEEMED LIKE 75 FEET. UH, WAS IT GOOD, A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR THIS BUILDING ALONG THE CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR? SO, UM, ANYWAY, I'LL STOP THERE. THAT'S MY MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND. I SEE A COMMISSIONER COPS. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I SPOKE BRIEFLY I'LL CONTINUE SPEAKING. UM, SO THE, TO REALLY GET THE BENEFIT ALONG THESE CORE TRANSIT CORRIDORS, BURNETT LAMAR, WE'VE GOT TO LET SOME OF THESE LOTS DO WHAT THEY CAN DO, AND THIS LOT PRESENTS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. IT'S DEEP. IT AFFORDS A COMPATIBILITY TO THE HOMES ALONG THE BACK, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS AND ALLOWS US TO BUILD OUT TO THAT, YOU KNOW, 75 FOOT HEIGHT IS, WERE PROPOSED. IF WE, UH, ADD THIS CONDITIONAL OVERLAY AND REALLY LEAD FOR THAT DENSITY DEVELOP ALONG THE CORRIDOR. I, YOU KNOW, MEASURING, UH, THE KIND OF IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS, BUT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT REALLY ONE FLOOR. UH, AND THE OTHER THING WE'RE GETTING, UM, IS A COMMITMENT TO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA ALONG, ALONG, UM, IN THE PRESS VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH OF RIGHT NOW. SO WITH THAT, UM, THAT'S UH, DO WE HAVE THE SPEAKERS, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS THEY WANT TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER COX, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK, UH, YOU WERE THE SECOND. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? YEAH. UM, I I'M, I'M SECONDING THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, UH, CHAIR, SEAN AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD MANY, MANY, MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, NEIGHBORS AND, AND THE DEVELOPER. AND I JUST, I JUST, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT HAD GONE IN, UH, FROM ALL SIDES TO REACH THIS COMPROMISE. UM, I TOO AM CONCERNED ABOUT AND ESTABLISHING A NEW HEIGHT ALONG BURNETT ROAD. UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE HEIGHT CAP ARE MFR RELATED, UH, UH, ON BURNET ROAD. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT BURNET ROADS PROPERTIES, UH, A LOT OF THEM ARE RELATIVELY NARROW IN DEPTH. AND SO THEY'RE NATURALLY RESTRICTED IN WHAT THEY CAN DO BASED ON COMPATIBILITY STANDARD. THIS ONE IS UNUSUALLY LONG, UH, COMPARED TO MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ON BURNET ROAD. AND SO THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT A, THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF HEIGHT, MORE THAN BASED ON THE COMPATIBILITY RESTRICTIONS ALONG BURNETT ROAD. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT EXTRA FLOOR, IT'S HAPPENING ACTUALLY ONLY IN ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THIS VERY, VERY LONG DEPTH A LOT. AND, AND THE REASON, UH, WHY, WHY I WANT TO SUPPORT CHARLES SHAW IS, UH, UH, MOTION WITH, WITH, WITH CONDITIONS IS SIMPLY TO RESPECT THE LEVEL OF EFFORT, UH, IN GOOD FAITH THAT THE DEVELOPER AND THE NEIGHBORS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE HAD, UH, WITH EACH OTHER FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO REACH THIS AGREEMENT. I HOPE THAT THIS COMMISSION, UH, CAN, CAN ALSO RESPECT ALL OF THAT EFFORT AND SEE THIS AS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE, UM, FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOT ON, ON BRUNNER ROAD. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, FINISHER SPEAKING AGAINST COMMISSIONER SPEAKING FOR, OH, GO AHEAD, [01:15:01] MR. THOMPSON, I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SPEAK, I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. I CAN'T REALLY VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, BOTH PARTIES HAVE AGREED ON IT. SO I'LL, I'LL JUST ABSTAIN, BUT I, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ORIGINALLY SET TO HEAR THIS LAST MEETING AT WHICH WE, YOU KNOW, APPROVED TWO OTHER SORT OF, YOU KNOW, UP SOUNDINGS AND DENSITY EAST OF AND WHICH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, AGAIN, NEIGHBORS COMPLAINED ABOUT I'M GOING TO BE IN MY BACKYARD AND I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT. AND WE SORT OF SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE COMPATIBILITY IS THERE TO PROTECT YOU. AND HERE WE'RE NOW SAYING, OH, WELL, THE COMPATIBILITY IS NOT QUITE ENOUGH. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU EXTRA COMPATIBILITY AND WE'RE GOING TO GO FURTHER AND COMPATIBILITY. AND I THINK COMPATIBILITY, I MEAN, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A GENEROUS COMPATIBILITY PROTECTION, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REDUCING SOME OF THAT PROTECTION TO GET SOME MORE DENSITY ONTO THESE CORRIDORS. UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO TO, TO START A PRECEDENT OF EXTENDING, YOU KNOW, EVEN EXTRA COMPATIBILITY IN THE PLACES WHERE WE WANT THE ZONE, WHERE WE WANT THE HOUSING THE MOST, I MEAN, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ONES LAST TIME WAS, YOU KNOW, ON A FREEWAY WITH W YOU KNOW, ACCESS ROAD ONLY ACCESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WALKABILITY THERE, THERE WAS NO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE PUTTING DENSITY THERE AND HERE, THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, DENSITY SHOULD BE. IT'S AN A HA YOU KNOW, HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA. IT'S IN OUR STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN. IT'S IN OUR IMAGINE AUSTIN, IT'S WHERE WE HAVE PLANS TO PUT THE DENSITY AND TO SORT OF SCALE IT BACK FOR EXTRA COMPATIBILITY. I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THAT COMMISSIONER. BIZARRE. ARE YOU SPEAKING IN FAVOR OR AGAINST? OKAY. NOW I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND CAN SAY IN FAVOR. OKAY. SO GO, UH, GO AHEAD. AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER CONLEY, I THINK YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP NEXT. UM, SO CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO, I WANT TO SUPPORT THIS, UM, THIS MOTION FROM YOU BECAUSE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN STATED. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE SENSITIVITY OF YOUR EMOTIONS, SORT OF TRYING TO CAPTURE SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UM, AND TRYING TO WORK ON THAT. HAVING SAID THAT I HAVE TO SEE, I SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOUR THOMPSON HAS. I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THE DUPLICITY THAT WE SEE IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRECEDENTS AND THE BRESLIN'S HEIGHT HAS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD YET. UH, BRANTLEY PRECEDENCE DOES NOT ALLOW WHEN WE ROB RENTERS OF 15 SQUARE FOOT OF EXTERNAL BALCONY SPACE, IT IS TRULY APPALLING TO ME THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUESTED. IT IS APPALLING TO ME THAT THE APPLICANT AGREED TO THAT. BUT I REALLY HOPE THAT THAT IS NOT A CONVERSATION AGAIN, ON THIS DIES IN THIS COMMISSIONER, ANYWHERE THE CITY RUBY TANK, THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOMES, BECAUSE IT WILL STEER IT INTO SOMEONE'S YARD, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, THEN I HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW PEOPLE IN YARDS STARE AT PEOPLE WHO SIT ON THEIR BALCONIES, ANY RENTAL PROPERTY, BUT THAT IS NOT A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE. SO I REALLY HOPE IN THE NAME OF EQUITY FOR RENTERS OR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE DO NOT ROB THEM OF THE SMALL AMOUNT OF EXTERNAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY CAN HAVE. THAT IS PERSONAL TO THEM AS A RENTER. I AM TRULY APPALLED THAT THAT IS HOW SOME PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE TREATING VENDORS, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE, AND I APPRECIATE THE MOTION THAT YOU MADE. SO I WILL BE WORKING WITH PEOPLE. OKAY. SO A COMMISSIONER CALLED LOUD TO SEE, TO CHECK. WE'VE HAD THREE SPEAKERS IN FAVOR AND ONE AGAINST, UH, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION? I WOULD SPEAK IN FAVOR, BUT I CAN SPEAK NEUTRAL AS WELL. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU GO AHEAD. UM, SO I MEAN, I, THIS IS ULTIMATELY A PROJECT THAT I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO SUPPORT, AND I'LL KEEP MY REMARKS VERY BRIEF BECAUSE I THINK, UH, BOTH OF HIS AND THOMPSON HAVE ALREADY TOUCHED ON MY MAIN CONCERNS. I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH STATING FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS IS A SORT OF PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW RENTERS IN THE CITY ARE TREATED AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS. SO OFTEN IN OUR DECISIONS, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE MATTERS TO HOMEOWNERS AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE DOES NOT MATTER TO RENTERS. I, UH, HAVE BEEN A RENTER AND ACTUALLY LIVED IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON BURNET ROAD ROAD, [01:20:01] UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ENJOYED READING ON MY BALCONIES IN THE MORNING. AND THAT WAS MY LITTLE SPACE, IT AN IMPORTANT PART OF MY QUALITY OF LIFE. AND SO I JUST REALLY, I CAN, THIS IS SO CLOSE TO MY LIFE AND MY LIVED EXPERIENCE THAT THE THOUGHT OF LIKE THOSE BALCONIES BEING REMOVED FROM FOLKS, UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF CONCERNS AROUND NOISE AND CONSIDERATIONS LIKE THAT, WHEN WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS IN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES HAVE HOST PARTIES IN THEIR BACKYARDS, THEY HOST BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND DINNERS AND THEY PLAY MUSIC AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND RENTERS ARE OFTEN VERY GRACIOUS ABOUT THAT. SO I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE HERE, THAT WE'RE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT CONTAINS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND IT SHOULD BE STATED FOR THE RECORD THAT, YOU KNOW, LET THE PEOPLE IN THOSE APARTMENTS KNOW THAT THEIR BALCONIES WERE ROBBED BY THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RESTATE THE, UH, THE MOTION, UH, BY SARAH SHAW, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COX. AND THE MOTION IS MSX ZONING WITH CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS, INCLUDING A 75 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT, A LIMIT OF HEIGHT TO 40 FEET FROM WITHIN 200 FEET. UM, SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY LINES. AND THIRD IS THE, UH, BUILDING 30 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK FROM PROPERTY LINES OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE CEO'S THAT HAVE PROPOSED TO AMEND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. AH, YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS FOR ITEMS B ONE AND YES, BUT B B ONE B2 AND B3. SO IT'S MSF ZONING. YES. APPROVAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE REMOVAL OF THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, UH, ALL THREE. UM, SO YES. DID WE RAISE YOUR GUYS' FOOD? WE RUN OUT OF SPEAKER SLOTS. I WAS WANTING TO SPEAK NEUTRAL, BUT WAS THAT SEVEN OR SIX? WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER CONTROL. YES, WE DO. I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO I, I JUST WANTED TO, I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT, SO I'LL REITERATE JUST THE APPRECIATION FOR ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS. UM, I AM SPEAKING NEUTRALLY AND WE'LL PROBABLY ABSTAIN, I'M FEELING AMBIVALENT ABOUT THIS CASE, BUT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS THAN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE STATED. UM, I DEFINITELY, UM, HEAR THE CONCERNS AROUND THE BALCONY AND ALSO WANT TO JUST REMIND PEOPLE THAT THESE THINGS AREN'T PHYSICALLY BEING REMOVED. IT'S PART OF THE PLANNING. SO I THINK AS WE ADJUST AND BRING IN REALLY LARGE NUMBERS OF UNITS, UM, CONDITIONS ARE CHANGING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN A SPACE AND DO EXPERIENCE AN INCREASED BURDEN AND THEIR COST OF LIVING AS THE AREA DENSIFIES AND PROPERTY AROUND THEM BECOMES REALLY, REALLY VALUABLE. SO THOSE ARE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN. UM, NOTHING'S BEING REMOVED. THERE'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FEWER THINGS BEING ENTITLED TO PEOPLE WHO WILL BE COMING IN, IN LARGE PART IN A REALLY, UH, STILL PRETTY HIGH MARKET VALUE. SO I THINK THAT THE IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONTEXT, THOUGH, I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THE QUALITY OF LIFE CONSIDERATIONS FOR RENTERS AND JUST FOR OUTDOOR SPACE IN GENERAL. ALSO JUST WANT TO REMIND, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE WAY STAFF, UH, CLASSIFY AS THE, THE RELEVANCE OF SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS OF IMAGINE AUSTIN, FOR EXAMPLE, I APPRECIATED THE, THAT DISCUSSION AND JUST WANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT JUST BECAUSE AN AREA HAS AMENITIES RELATED TO THOSE CONCEPTS AND AREAS, UM, DOESN'T MEAN THAT DEVELOPMENT CONTRIBUTES TO THOSE THINGS. SO IF WE'RE JUST ADDING DENSITY AND ADDING PEOPLE TO AN AREA THAT HAS ACCESSIBLE ABILITY IN TERMS OF FOOD AND WALKABILITY AND AMENITIES AND CREATIVITY AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT HERE IS NOT ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THOSE THINGS. IT'S BRINGING PEOPLE INTO AN AREA THAT CAN POTENTIALLY BENEFIT FROM THOSE THINGS. AND I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE BALANCE THAT STAFF TRIES TO STRIKE. SO, UM, I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE CONCERNS AND I, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I THINK THAT HASN'T BEEN STATED, BUT WAS BROUGHT UP BY A COMMUNITY MEMBER IS THAT THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON BURNET ARE FACING REALLY RAPID INCREASE IN COSTS. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF MY CONCERNS FOR SIX, BUT I APPRECIATE THOSE FICTIONS AND THAT'S IT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, SO JUST, UH, BECAUSE I MAY HAVE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH THESE ONE MORE TIME. SORRY TO PUT YOU GUYS TO IT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. WE GET THE MOTION. CORRECT. SO IT'S ITEM B ONE, IT'S A RECOMMENDED, UH, THE COMMERCIAL TO MIXED USE LAND USE. UH, B TWO IS A REZONING TO WITH THE THREE, UH, CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS HEIGHT LIMIT OF 75 FEET. UM, THE HEIGHT LIMIT TO 40 FEET, UH, TO WITHIN [01:25:01] 200 FEET FROM PROPERTY LINES OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND THIRD, THE 30 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINES OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND, UH, B THREE, UH, THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT TERMINATE A, THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT THAT REQUIRES A 20 FOOT SETBACK. UH, SO IT'S APPROVAL OF THAT ITEM B3. SO THAT WAS, UM, MOTION MADE BY, UH, THE CHAIR SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CLOCKS. AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE. I SHOWED NINE COMMISSIONER. IS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER? UM, IS THAT A GREEN OR A, SO THESE SET OF GREEN ARE, THIS IS YELLOW, IT'S YELLOW. SO ONE, ONE MORE TIME. I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING THE COLOR SIERRA ONE, UH, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, EIGHT. OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSES EIGHT IN FAVOR THREE ARE, UM, I GUESS THAT'D BE ABSTAINING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, WITH THAT, UM, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, UM, HEARING. LET ME GET BACK, UH, GET MY LIST HERE. WE HAVE ITEMS. [Items B5 & B6] UH, SIMILARLY, YES, THIS IS B FIVE AND B SIX. AND WE DID START THIS OUT TOO, IF, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO LIMIT THE SPEAKING TIME TO ONE MINUTE. UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COX. CAN WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT ONE? AND I'M SORRY. UH, COMMISSIONER PRACTICES AND COMMISSIONERS NEITHER ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT. I HAVE, UH, EIGHT TO TWO. SO COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET A SUPER MAJORITY. WE NEED NINE. OKAY. LET'S BREAK OUT. UH, ONE MORE TIME FOLKS. ONE, SHOW ME YOUR CARDS ONE MORE TIME. I APOLOGIZE. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE. AND PROVISIONER PRACTICES. IS THAT YELLOW OR GREEN? I'M SORRY. IT'S YELLOW. OKAY, SO WE HAVE NINE TO TWO. UM, I BELIEVE THAT PASS IT ON A SUPER MAJORITY. UH, MR. RIVERA. THAT IS CORRECT. RIGHT. WE NEED NINE VOTES. SURE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO ONE MINUTE. UH, DO YOU RECALL, UH, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A CASE WE HEARD, UM, PREVIOUSLY, UH, CIVIL GUIDANCE START WITH THE SPEAKERS. AND GIVE ME ONE SECOND. ALL RIGHT. UH, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT BEGINNING, UH, MICAH KING, MICAH KING WITH HUSH BLACK. OKAY. I HEAR YOU. GO AHEAD. NOPE. I CAN ASSURE THIS IS MIKE WITH HUSH BLACKWELL FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, IF WE COULD GO TO SLIDE FIVE UPON PRESENTATION, PLEASE, AND I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THESE QUICKLY. UM, SO WE ARE MOSTLY IN AGREEMENT. UM, PAUSE ONE SECOND. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR, UH, MR. KAY, LET'S GET YOUR, UM, DO WE HAVE HIS PRESENTATION STAFF? SURE. BEAR WITH US JUST ONE MINUTE. APOLOGIZE. WELL, WHILE WE'RE WAITING, I JUST WANT TO OFFER MY APOLOGY TO CONDITIONER PRACTICES IN MY STRESSFUL MOMENT. I, I DIDN'T, I CALLED YOU THE, BY THE WRONG NAME AND I APOLOGIZE. I NEED TO APOLOGIZE, BUT THANK YOU. AND WHILE WE'RE WAITING, CAN WE ALL JUST GIVE A SILENT APPLIES TO THE CHAIR FOR KEEPING ALL OF THIS IN ORDER OF THE LAST TWO MEETINGS? I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DOES IT. WELL, IF I CAN KEEP MY DOG QUIET, THAT'S HALF THE BATTLE, SO, [01:30:02] ALL RIGHT. I GUESS, YEAH, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE PRESENTATION THEN WE'LL GET STARTED. ALL RIGHT. UH, LET'S SEE. OKAY. UH, WE CAN SEE THE PRESENTATION NOW, SO DON'T START YOUR TIME. OKAY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE CAN GO TO SLIDE FIVE, PLEASE. UM, BASICALLY WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALMOST ALL OF THE CONTACT TEAMS CURRENT AFTER, EXCEPT THAT WE THINK THAT MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN RAISED THAT COULD BE CONDITIONAL, THAT IT CONDITIONALLY SITE PLAN ARE ALREADY ADDRESSED BY THE COMPATIBILITY STANDARD SUBJECT TO REDESIGN STANDARDS, THE MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, OR ARE NATURALLY RESTRICTED TO THE PROPERTY SIZE AND CONTENT CONFIGURATION. IF WE GET GOOD AT SLIDE 16, PLEASE, OR NINE, I'M SORRY. SO, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT'S BEEN RAISED IS TRAFFIC AND ACCESS. UM, REGARDING THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE REQUESTED THAT THE ALLEYWAY THAT WAS CLOSED OFF TO BE REOPENED AND CLEANED UP, AND WE AGREED THAT THAT, AND, UM, ARE OKAY WITH TRAFFIC BEING ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, UH, BY, UH, CORNADO BEFORE YOU REACHED THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE SIDE AND OUT WHAT THE LIMITED AMOUNT IS, IS THAT I THINK I HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME, BUT CAN WE GO INTO ANOTHER SLIDE? UH, I WAS, I HEARD THE BUZZER. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I HAD MORE TIME. I'M SORRY. UM, YEAH, IF WE CAN GET TO SLIDE 10. SO, UH, SLIDE 10. UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS TRASH PICKUP. UM, THIS IS ALREADY HIGHLY REGULATED. UM, THERE HAS TO BE SCREENING, UM, FROM VIEW OF THE SF THREE PROPERTY AND FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET. UM, AND, UM, IT HAS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE OVERALL DESIGN TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT I COULD LET YOU AND MR. KING, UH, WE SEE THE SLIDE HERE AND WE, UM, AND WE CAN READ IT. I'M SORRY. WE ARE AT A TIME. UM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, STILL SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF DAVID SOTO, STAR SIX ON MUTE. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A VIDEO, SIR, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. IF YOU COULD START IT AT TWO MINUTES AND 44 SECONDS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UH, THAT WAS TWO MINUTES AND 44 SECONDS. YES, PLEASE. YES, WE ARE PREPARING THE VIDEO AND WE'LL START IT AT THE TWO 44. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. I COULD NOT BE IN PERSON OR YOU, MY HARD WORKER AND A DREAMER. I SAW THIS PROPERTY YES. TO IS RESTORE. WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY IDEA OF TAKING MY VISION IS TO PROVIDE A BASIS TO MINORITY MY TAKE OPERA. AND I'D, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE TIME I AM A HARD WORKER IN A DREAMER COMMISSION, AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE VOLUME. ARE YOU MY HARD WORKER AND A DREAMER? I SAW THIS PROPERTY AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE WHAT WAS BEING TAKEN. MY VISION IS TO PROVIDE RETAIL SPACES TO MINORITY BUSINESSES, BUSINESSES, GREAT JOBS. AND I KNOW AS MUCH AS ANYONE HOW IMPORTANT OUR JOB CAN BE. I WANT TO OFFER AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO WORKING CLASS FAMILIES SO THEY CAN STAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE DIVERSITY THAT GAVE AUSTIN ITS IDENTITY AND ITS BEAUTY. I HOPE TO DEVELOP A MEXICAN CAFE THAT RECREATES MY MOTHER'S RECIPES AND BRING BACK SOME OF THAT GO TOUR. THE MADE ME FEEL AT HOME WHEN I WAS A STRANGER TO THIS COUNTRY, [01:35:01] MANY PEOPLE IN MY POSITION INVESTED MONEY INTO A PROPERTY. SURE. THAT IT'S TIME. THANK YOU. SO, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE A RYAN SMITH LISTED, UM, BUT, UH, IS MR. SMITH AVAILABLE? OKAY. UH, TURN, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. HELLO. UH, SO MY NAME IS RYAN SMITH. I LIVE FOUR DOORS DOWN FROM THE PROPERTY. THE PAST SIX YEARS, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND NEARBY BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN DETERIORATING. THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BRIGHTEN AREA AND BRING NEW RESIDENTS NEARBY AREAS LIKE THE PARK. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT I HAVE, UH, NOW WE MOVE ON TO BOTH SUPPOSE I HAVE A HUDSON BAIRD STAR SIX AND MUTE CHAIRMAN. MR. BAIRD WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF WE CAN HEAR FROM MR. DANIEL. DO WE HAVE, UH, OKAY, MR. YANNIS, IF Y'ALL, UH, UNMUTE OR PROCEED WITH YOUR REMARKS. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. UM, UH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I'M DANIELLE YANNIS, UH, WITH THE GOLD VALLEY JOHNSON TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT TEAM, I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL AND IF YOU ALL COULD LOOK AT IT, IT'S, IT'S, UH, A, UM, UH, UH, A DIAGRAM OF THE NEGOTIATION SERIES THAT WE DID AFTER THE LAST, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. WE TOOK EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL SAID, PARTICULARLY COMMISSIONER SHEA, AND WE DEVELOPED, UH, THESE TWO OPTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, WHICH WE ARE, ARE OKAY WITH. AND THAT'S REPRESENTED BY NUMBER ONE. AND IF YOU CAN SEE NUMBERS, ARE, ARE YOU ALL SEEING THIS? ARE YOU ALL SEEING THIS REPRESENTED BY NUMBERS? YES. MR. YANNIS, I GUESS WHEN YOU SAY, ARE WE SEEING IT? I MEAN, UH, DID YOU ASK FOR, UM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT SEEING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DID RECEIVE YOUR EMAIL. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. BECAUSE I'M REFERRING TO, I'M REFERRING IT TO IT RIGHT NOW. SO LIKE I SAID, NOPE, NUMBER ONE, WHERE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE GAVE THE APPLICANT AFTER THE CONVERSATION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, NUMBER TWO IS WHAT HE CAME BACK WITH. YOU CAN SEE HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, HE MODIFIED IT. AND NUMBER THREE WAS OUR COMEBACK TO THE MODIFICATION WE ADDED THE CONDITIONAL USE. SO THAT IS WHAT THE CONTACT TEAM WOULD AGREE TO AS A COMPROMISE. OTHERWISE WE'RE OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I HAVE, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. OKAY. UH, SO MR. RIVERA, UM, JUST, UH, DID WE HAVE A MR. BAIRD AVAILABLE AND DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKERS? I'M NOT CLEAR SURE. COMMISSION WISE ON, HEY BRO. YES. I BET HE'LL BE THE LAST SPEAKER OF THE GROUP. OKAY. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THANK YOU. SO NEXT WE HAVE ROB ALVAREZ, MR. ALVAREZ, IF YOU'LL SELECT STAR SIX. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, THANK Y'ALL , UH, A MEMBER OF THE CONTACT TEAM AND ALSO WITH, UH, EAST AUSTIN CONSERVANCY. AND THAT PARK IS THAT ALYSSA, WHICH IS ABOUT NOT EVEN ITS OWN THROAT CLOSES. IT IS DON'T THROW FROM THE PROJECT. UM, AND WE WERE HERE LAST NIGHT, RIGHT? WE WERE, UM, OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT AND NOT VERY CLOSE NECESSARILY [01:40:01] ON AN AGREEMENT, BUT WE BASICALLY CAME BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, A COMPROMISE THAT MIRRORS, WHAT COMMISSIONER SHAY PROPOSED ON THE DIAS AT THE LAST MEETING. I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE CAME BACK WITH IS, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE TAKE IT BACK TO OUR COMMITTEE, FROM THE CONTACT TEAM WHO WAS LOOKING AT THIS, UH, WE FELT THAT WAS A GOOD COMPROMISE. WE WEREN'T IN A POSITION AT THAT TIME TO ACCEPT IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW NEGOTIATIONS WORK AND WHO'S AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, ON, ON WHATEVER THE FINAL NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT IS. SO, UH, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE PUTTING ON THE TABLE. WE THINK IT'S A GOOD TRANSITION FROM CS TO SF. SO APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE HAVE A, UH, JOHN, UH, MS. ROAD STAR SIX 78. THANK YOU. YEAH. UH, THIS IS JOHN MYSTRO. UM, I LIVE AT 24 ZERO ONE CORNADO STREET, TWO DOORS DOWN FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 13 YEARS. UH, I CAME HERE FROM CENTER CITY, PHILADELPHIA. UM, WE'RE A ONE-CAR FAMILY, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, A DECADE. WE DIDN'T HAVE A CAR. AND I SAY ALL THOSE THINGS TO SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M PRO DENSITY, I'M PRO CITY, AND I'M VERY MUCH LIKE, UM, URBAN ENVIRONMENT. I MOVED TO THIS PART OF TOWN TO BE PART OF THAT. UM, BUT I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS A GOOD FIT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I THINK IT'LL INORDINATELY AFFECT CORONADO STREET IN A NEGATIVE WAY. UH, THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IF ONE IS SO HEART SET ON BEING A COMMERCIAL OR A RESTAURANT DEVELOPER, UM, BUT THEY CHOSE TO BUY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO TRY TO CHANGE THEM. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AS NOTED WE HAVE THE LAST SPEAKER IS HUDSON BAIRD, STAR SIX, HEY, Y'ALL, THIS IS UP HUDSON BAIRD. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT. UH, I'M THE RESIDENT IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. AND LIKE JOHN SAID, WE SUPPORT DENSITY IN ONE MORE HOUSING ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, AND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR CHIEF CONCERN ISN'T TRAFFIC OR ACCESS. UM, THE MIKE HAS GOT SOME GOOD SOLUTIONS THERE, BUT IT'S PEOPLE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S HIGH VOLUME, THIS PROPERTY, IT JUST OFTEN YOUR SEVENTH IS THAT THE PERSONALITY LIGHT AND THE LIGHT BACKS UP A LOT. AND SO THE THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MITIGATE AGAINST IS A LOT OF PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT WHEN FAMILIES ARE HOME COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION, OUR PREFERENCE IS FOR CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR LMU TO BE WHAT'S APPROVED BY, UM, COMMISSION TONIGHT. AND IF, UM, THE ALL PREFERS GR WE THINK THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOOD USES WILL ALLOW US MORE TIME TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE DEVELOPER, UM, TO FIND SOME WAYS TO MITIGATE THOSE CONCERNS. SO WE SUPPORT LMU, UM, AND THINK THAT THAT'S THE BEST WAY FORWARD AND HAS THE RIGHT, UM, KIND OF BUILDING COVERAGE SETBACKS TO GET THERE. AND IF NOT, UM, IN THE UPPER FOR GR I'D LOVE TO SEE, UM, A CONDITIONAL USE ROUND TWO OF USES TO GET AWAY FROM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, SO THAT, UM, IS ALL THE SPEAKERS HAVE. AND IF YOU RECALL ON THIS SIDE, UM, WE HAD Q AND A PREVIOUSLY, UM, I, UH, WE WILL MOVE INTO DEBATE AT THIS POINT. UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE HAVE SOME OTHER DISCUSSION CASES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ARE WE, UH, DUKE OR COMMISSIONERS READY TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVE, UM, QUESTION YES. COMMISSIONER CUBS. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF ANY EXTERNAL PEOPLE AT THIS POINT. WELL, WHEN I THINK WE'D HAVE TO DO, AND I'D VERIFY WITH MR. RIVERA IS I THINK WE'D HAVE TO SUSPEND OUR RULES TO ALLOW FOR MORE Q AND A. UM, AND SO COMMISSIONER, UH, MR. RIVERA IS, UH, IS THAT WITHIN OUR, UH, CAN WE SUSPEND RULES TO ALLOW MAYBE SOME LIMITED Q AND A SURE. COMMISSION ON LIAISON ADVERA YEAH. SO, SO BY A SUPER MAJORITY AFFIRMATIVE VOTE, YOU WOULD NOTE WHAT YOU WISH TO DO. UM, ALL RIGHT. [01:45:01] THANK YOU. SO I, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE A, UH, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER BUSH DOLLAR. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT IT, YOU'LL PROBABLY SAY IT BETTER THAN I WILL. YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH SOMEBODY ELSE MAKING A MOTION. UH, GO AHEAD, MR. MUSTAFA, I WAS GOING TO MAKE, UH, A MOTION THAT WE SUSPEND OUR RULES FOR Q AND A TO ALLOW EACH COMMISSIONER A MINUTE OF Q AND A SPEAKING TIME TO THE APPLICANT OR THE RESIDENTS OR THE STAFF TO CLARIFY ANY QUESTIONS REMAINING. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND A SUBSTITUTE TO THAT MAYBE THREE MINUTES, UH, WITH FIVE COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. THREE MINUTES PER COMMISSIONER, A LIMIT OF FIVE COMMISSIONERS. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT SUBSIDY? UM, THAT AMENDMENT I'M SORRY. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. I WASN'T QUITE SURE HOW TO CRAFT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND, MR. COPS? OKAY. ARE WE CLEAR? IT'S, UH, FIVE COMMISSIONERS WITH THREE MINUTES EACH FOR ADDITIONAL Q AND A, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY. UM, LET ME GO AND SHOW ME YOUR CARDS. ONE, TWO. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S 11 IT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S START WITH UNA, WHO HAS THE FIRST QUESTION? COMMISSIONER COX. WE HAVE THREE MINUTES QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. UM, I'M TRYING TO READ THROUGH YOUR, UH, VERY LENGTHY EMAIL, UM, AND, AND I'M TRYING TO HONE IN ON THE RESTAURANT USE. SO IF I REMEMBER LAST TIME, THE DISCUSSION WAS MAKING THE RESTAURANT USE, TAKEN A CONDITIONAL USE, BUT WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS THAT YOU'VE AGREED TO A COMPROMISE WITH THE CONTACT TEAM FOR GRM, YOU WITH L R U S AS AN LR RESTAURANT RESTRICTIONS VIA CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. SO, SO CAN YOU CLARIFY OR EXPAND OR EXPAND ON, ON, ON THAT AGREEMENT THAT YOU'VE MADE WITH THE CONTACT TEAM? YES. HI, HI COMMISSIONER. UH, THIS IS LIKE A KING, SO WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, ALL OF THEIR OFFER EXCEPT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT. UH, SINCE WE THINK THAT WE CAN ADDRESS ALL OF THAT NOW AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SAVE EVERYBODY'S TIME AND COMING BACK TO YOU LATER ON. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU SAY ADDRESS ALL OF THAT NOW, UM, HAVE YOU ADDRESSED ALL OF THAT NOW? HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE ON THE OPERATION OF, OF, OF THAT RESTAURANT? YES. SO THAT IS ADDRESSED BY IMPOSING THE LR RESTAURANT RESTRICTIONS, UH, UP ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AND I CAN GO SOMETHING IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UM, NO, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THEM NOW. UM, IT IS HOURS OF OPERATION ARE LIMITED TO 7:00 AM TO, I THINK, 11:00 PM. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. UM, IS, OH, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. NO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A STICKING POINT. UM, UM, YEAH, I MENTIONED IT IS HAVING AN EARLIER OPERATION CLOSING TIME ON A RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, UH, WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, ESSENTIALLY. UM, I GUESS QUESTION TO STAFF, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY OR IS THE ONLY WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AS TO MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE QUESTION? OTHER CHASTIN HEATHER CHAPMAN HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, AS THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, IF YOU APPLY THE, UH, LR REGULATIONS AND HOW GENERAL RESTAURANT FUNCTIONS IN L R IT WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO FURTHER THAN THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE LR, UH, ZONING CATEGORY. THE SHORT ISSUE VERSION AND RESTAURANT IN GENERAL HAS LIMITS ON IT WHEN IT'S LOCATED IN THE LR CATEGORY. AND THAT INCLUDES OUR OPERATIONS, UH, INCLUDES PATIO, OUTDOOR SOUND, SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THE APPLICANT IS FINE WITH THOSE. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONAL OVERLAY PROCESS. OKAY. WE'RE WE'RE AT A TIME, YOUR CUTS. UM, WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER, A SECOND COMMISSIONER WITH QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE, [01:50:04] MR. MITCH TYLER, WE WENT PRETTY QUICKLY THROUGH THE RESIDENTS. IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE TO A SATISFACTORY AGREEMENT. SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE THE ONLY HOLD BACK IN WHERE THEY'RE OUT WITH THE DEVELOPER RIGHT NOW, OR ARE THERE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED? THIS IS DANIEL YANNIS. IF I, IF I CAN SPEAK TO THAT, UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. UH, WE, UH, WE ARE, WE DO NOT AGREE TO THE 11 O'CLOCK TIME. WE, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THE TIME, AND THIS IS WHY WE APPLIED THE CONDITIONAL USE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD BE FLESHED OUT. UM, IF YOU ALL WERE TO CONSIDER THAT SEVEN TO 11:00 PM, WE WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AT ALL. ARE DANIEL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER REMAINING ITEMS THAT THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THERE ARE, ARE, UH, ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH, OR HAS THE REST OF THE PROJECT BEEN SATISFIED FOR THE NEIGHBORS? UH, YEAH, THE, THE, THE POINT OF CONTENTION RIGHT NOW, IF THEY PICK A G G R M U, THEN WE WANT THAT CONDITIONAL USE AND THE LIMITED HOURS OF THE RESTAURANT, IF IT, IF THEY GO WITH LRN YOU, AND IT'S A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO DIRECT, DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S THE MAIN POINT OF CONTENTION, AS WELL AS WHAT MR. BAIRD SAID ABOUT HAVING A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN, IN THAT, UH, KIND OF CROWDED CORNER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S TWO, UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS. UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. YANNIS. YES, SIR. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE HOURS THAT YOU WOULD WANT? I MEAN, I SAW IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, IT WAS 8:00 PM. IS THAT, IS THAT STILL WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? UH, WELL, UH, YES, BUT LET ME PREFACE THAT BY SAYING THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE EATERIES AROUND THERE AND ON THE EAST SIDE ARE BREAKFAST AND LUNCH, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO WE ORIGINALLY STARTED BY SAYING THAT WE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THEM TO STAY OPEN UNTIL THREE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS TYPICAL. AND THEN THEY WANTED TO GO TO 11, BUT WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO HAVE THAT LATE NIGHT ACTIVITY. EIGHT O'CLOCK WOULD BE THE, THE, THE, THE CAP ON, ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND THAT'S WHEN, WHEN THE HOURS ARE LIMITED TO EIGHT O'CLOCK OR 11:00 PM, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERYBODY HAS TO BE OUT OF THE RESTAURANT AND THE LIGHTS ARE OFF AT 11:00 PM OR, OR WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HEATHER SHOPPING, HOUSING AND PLANNING. I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU CANNOT ACCEPT CUSTOMERS PAST THAT TIME. IT'S NOT THAT YOU NECESSARILY KICK EVERYBODY OUT AT THAT TIME. AGAIN, I AM NOT FORTUNATE, SO I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS, BUT COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY, I HAVE WORKED IN RESTAURANTS AND WHEN A RESTAURANT CLOSES TYPICALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STILL, UH, THEY'RE SHUTTING DOWN AND IT TAKES THEM AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF. I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE RESTAURANT SAYS. IF THEY'RE CLOSING HOUR, I'M JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT COUNTS AS THEY'RE CLOSING CLOSING HOUR. CAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE THE SAME. YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU, CHAIR. UH, MR. KENGA HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN, UM, WHY YOU ARE NOT AGREEABLE TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR WHY YOU THINK THAT IS NOT NECESSARY HERE? I KNOW YOU SPOKE A LITTLE BIT, BUT CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THAT? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. UM, THE, I CAN JUST PULL UP MY NOTES TO GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT. THE, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED BY THE NEIGHBORS WERE THINGS LIKE TRASH PICKUP THAT WILL BE, HAVE TO BE SHIELDED FROM VIEW AND BE INCORPORATED INTO THE OVERALL DESIGN TO MINIMIZE IMPACT, UH, TRAFFIC AND ACCESS. UM, THE CURB CUT WOULD HAVE TO BE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. [01:55:01] UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE WILLING AND WOULD LIKE TO REOPEN THE ALLEYWAY, UM, FOR THIS, UM, UH, LIGHTING. UM, THAT'S ALL GOVERNED BY ARTICLE 10 AND SUBCHAPTER E HAS TO BE FOOTED AND SHIELDED AND NOT VISIBLE FROM ADJACENT SF FIVE OR MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONING, A BUFFER WE'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY, THREE ZONING. UM, AS WELL AS, UM, ALONG, UM, BOTH OF THE STREETS, UM, WHERE WE'RE ON THE CORNER, UM, THE BUILDING LOCATION, IT WILL BE HALF THE, HAVE TO BE PUSHED UP TO BE ADJACENT TO PATTERN KNOWLEDGE. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ALL OF THESE OTHER LR, UM, RESTRICTIONS IN GR. UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON BOARD ALMOST WITH OUR AGREEMENT IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO LR, YOU'RE DOUBLING YOUR MINIMUM SITE AREA REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WILL CUT DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ON THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. AND SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WHEN YOU WERE SAYING LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE CONCERNS WILL BE HANDLED IN THIS PROCESS TO SORT OF OTHER MEANS THIS IS KIND OF WHAT YOU MEANT. YES. SO WHETHER IT'S GOVERNED BY THE SITE CONFIGURATION AND THEN NATURALLY SORT OF GOVERNED BY THAT, UH, AND THE SIZE OR CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT WE'RE BOTH IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, OR BY, UH, UM, THE LR RESTAURANT RESTRICTS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH. AND CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO YOUR CLIENTS, UM, AVERSION OR WHERE THEY'RE BRINGING TO SORT OF LIKE CONCERNED ON HIGH FOOT TRAFFIC OR THEIR CONCERNS? CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE VISION FOR THE SPACE? YEAH, SO IT WILL HAVE TO BE SMALL. SO UNDER THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, WE COULD ONLY DO A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT AREA FOR A GENERAL USE OR A 3000 SQUARE FOOT AREA FOR LIMITED USE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE AT AN OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IF THERE WAS ONE, BUT IT HAS TO BE 50 FEET AWAY FROM ANY SF THREE. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE HOURS OF OPERATION LIMITATION ON THE GENERAL USE, UH, NO AMPLIFIED SOUND, UM, AND THAT SORT OF THING. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE, UM, ROOM FOR ONE MORE COMMISSIONER WITH QUESTIONS, I GUESS SEEING NONE. UH, DO WE HAVE A, UH, A MOTION? I'M SORRY, COMMIT MR. THOMPSON. I'M SORRY. I WAS LOOKING AT MY, I THINK YOUR FIRST. HI. OKAY. I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER COX. GO AHEAD. I HONESTLY, WASN'T LOOKING SO, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'LL TELL YA. UM, I CAN SPEAK MORE THAN IF I GET A SECOND, BUT, UM, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE G R M U ZONING WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT RESTRICT THE PROPERTY TO L OUR USES AND MAKE L OUR RESTAURANT A CONDITIONAL USE. UH, LET'S SEE, A SECOND, UH, FROM COMMISSIONING OF THIS POLITO. UH, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS. YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED ON THIS BECAUSE HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE, UH, A VERY NEIGHBORHOOD SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXTUALIZED, UH, RESTAURANT. SO IT WOULD POTENTIALLY FIT IN THIS SPACE ON THIS CORNER, BUT, UH, I ALSO AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORS CONCERN ABOUT HAVING AN ACTIVE RESTAURANT, VIBRANT RESTAURANT YOUTH, SO 11:00 PM. AND I'VE BEEN SWATTED DOWN A NUMBER OF TIMES FOR TRYING TO INJECT A WHOLE BUNCH OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED. I'M ASSUMING THAT WE CAN'T GET INTO THAT MINUTIA WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY IN TERMS OF OPERATIONAL HOURS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. AND SO THE, THE CONDITIONAL YOUTH ALLOWS THAT RESTAURANT OR CAFE OR WHATEVER TO HAPPEN, BUT ALLOWS THAT SORT OF MINUTIA TO BE LOOKED AT, [02:00:01] UM, THAT WE CAN'T DO RIGHT NOW. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M OFFERING UP. I THINK, I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTIAL IS GREAT. YES, LET'S GET AS MUCH RESIDENTIAL AS POSSIBLE, BUT I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THAT WE CAN'T DO RIGHT NOW FOR, FOR THE RESTAURANT. OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE, UH, MR. SPEAKING AGAINST THIS MOTION SPEAKING IN FAVOR, UH, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK, UM, UH, I'M SORRY. WHO'S SECOND, UH, YOUNGEST POLITO COMMISSIONER Y'ALL DISPLAYED. UH, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR SECOND? UH, SURE. UM, IN GENERAL, I THINK THIS REPRESENTS A WORTHWHILE COMPROMISE. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION FOR A REALLY LONG TIME ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. AND, UM, WELL, I, I DO, UM, THE WORDS FROM THE PREVIOUS, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS FROM MR. ALVEREZ ABOUT, UH, NOT WANTING TO, UM, PERPETUATE A PATTERN OF REWARDING, UH, ANYONE WHO'S PURCHASING A PROPERTY, UM, FROM SPECULATING AND ASKING FOR HIGHER ZONING. I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE PROCEEDED WITH CAUTION AND, UM, I THINK THE, UH, THE GOOD FAITH WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO COMPROMISE IT GETS US IN A GOOD PLACE HERE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SPEAKING AGAINST I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT AND MY AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO STRIKE THE CONDITIONAL USE OF THE RESTAURANT. AND JUST TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT IT'S I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT ON OUR LAST MEETING THAT WE WERE SAYING, OH, WE SHOULD MAKE THIS A CONDITIONAL USE, OR WE WOULD HAVE JUST VOTED ON IT AT THAT TIME. I THOUGHT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF NOTHING CAN BE WORKED OUT THEN A CONDITIONAL USE AS AN OPTION. AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT CONDITIONS THAT COULDN'T BE WORKED OUT THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT, YOU KNOW, FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW WITH THAT SORT OF W W WITH THAT UNCERTAINTY TO THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, IT'S TRYING TO GET FINANCING AND, OR TRYING TO GET A PROJECT THROUGH AT THE SAME TIME, THE ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. CAN YOU, UM, THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTITUTE. UM, SO I AM, UH, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SEE IF WE GOT A SECOND. IT'S THE SAME THING WITHOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? UH, COMMISSIONER AZHAR OKAY. SURE. CAN I JUST QUICKLY CHECK IN WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON ON ONE THING, MR. THOMPSON, AS WE'RE MAKING THIS MOTION, CAN WE ALSO ADD IN, SO YOU WOULD SAY GRM US-BASED ZONING, ADDING A CONDITION OVER DATA LIMITS USES TO LR AND APPLIES THE LR RESTAURANT RESTRICTIONS TO ANY RESTAURANT USE, INCLUDING THOSE SET FORTH IN 25, TWO FIVE, EIGHT 70 AND IN 25, EIGHT, EIGHT ZERO NINE. THIS WAS EXACTLY, YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS QUITE A BIT, SO I HAVE, UH, UH, CAN YOU, SO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND I'M SORRY, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, ARE YOU SECONDING THAT COMMISSIONER IS, ARE OKAY. CAN YOU, UM, RESTATE THAT PLEASE FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION? SURE. THIS IS FROM THE EMAIL THEN MR. DAN AND DENNIS HAD SAID TO US, SO WE'RE SAYING THAT GRM US, THE BASE ZONING WE'VE ADDED CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT LIMITS USES TO LR AND APPLIES THE LR RESTAURANT RESTRICTIONS TO ANY RESTAURANT USE IN ESSENTIALLY THOSE SET FORTH IN SECTIONS 25 DASH TWO DASH FIVE EIGHT, SEVEN DEEP. AND IN SECTION SUBSECTION 25 DASH EIGHT DASH EIGHT ZERO NINE. COULD I ASK THE MOTION MAKER DO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS? I THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE LIMITATIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED EARLIER. THERE'S JUST A SET OF LIMITATIONS THAT JUST SORT OF LIMIT THE SIZE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. YOU CAN'T HAVE OUTDOOR MUSIC, YOU CAN'T HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT OF A LESS IMPACTFUL RESTAURANT, AN LR RESTAURANT, AS OPPOSED TO THE GRS. OKAY. SO, UH, I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION HERE, UH, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, UM, MAKING THIS MOTION. SO HOW DOES THAT DIFFER FROM HELP ME OUT? I'M TRYING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT DIFFERS FROM THE ORIGINAL, THE, THE MOTION. YEAH. IT'S NOT A CON IT'S NOT A CONDITIONAL USE. OH, THANK YOU. THESE ARE JUST, THEY CAN HAVE THOSE. THEY CAN HAVE A RESTAURANT IF IT ABIDES BY THOSE SMALLER RESTRICTIONS. OKAY. SO YOU'RE, THIS [02:05:01] IS A CONDITIONAL USE. NOT A CEO IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. NO CEO. THE RESTAURANT WOULD NOT BE A CONDITIONAL USE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US SPEND SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS AND SEVERAL MONTHS OF ATTORNEY TIME AND ET CETERA, TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT'S JUST GOING TO APPLY THESE CONDITIONS. OKAY. I'M SEEING A NOTE THAT WE CANNOT DO 25 DASH EIGHT AS PART OF THIS, UM, MOTION. AND I REALIZED I MADE A MISTAKE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 25 DASH TWO DASH EIGHT OR NINE. SO MY BAD, I MISSTATED THAT. SO LET ME CLARIFY THIS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 25 DASH TWO DASH EIGHT ZERO NINE. ALL RIGHT. UH, DID YOU NEED CLARIFICATION COMMISSIONER COX? YEAH. WELL, I, FOR CLARIFICATION FOR EVERYONE, THE REASON THESE PARTICULAR LDP PROVISION, ACCORDING TO MR. KING EMAIL IS BECAUSE OTHER LR RESTRICTION FOR RESTAURANT PREVENT ALCOHOL FIELD. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THOSE TWO LDP PROVISION ARE CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY, AND NOT JUST ALL LR, UH, RESTAURANT WITH VICTIM, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WANT TO MAINTAIN THE ABILITY TO DO ALCOHOL FILLED. I THINK THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON THE APPLICANT EMAIL. OKAY. SO, UH, WE NEED A LITTLE PROCEDURAL NUDE HERE BECAUSE I THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT THE EMOTIONS PRESENTED HERE WERE CLEAR ON INCLUDING ABOUT B FIVE AND B SIX FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND THE REZONING. SO, UM, UH, WE MIGHT NEED TO DO, I'D SAY WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THIS, SO CAN WE LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD. FIVE WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE SUBSTITUTION, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, RIGHT. OKAY. SO, UH, I'M GOING TO HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER, AZHAR READ THIS INTO THE, UH, THE MINUTES ONE MORE TIME, UH, CAUSE YOU SEEM TO HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. UH, BUT CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND RESTATE THE MOTION? UH, THIS IS A MOTION THAT WAS, UH, BY COMMISSIONER THOMPSONS, UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER AZHAR AND JUST READ IT FOR THE RECORD ONE MORE TIME BEFORE WE VOTE AND TEACHER, AND THIS IS MY FINAL AND CLARIFIED LANGUAGE. I AM SORRY FOR THAT LITTLE MISTAKE THAT I HAD, WHICH IS, UM, W G R M U AS THE BASE ZONING. AND THIS IS, I SHOULD SAY, APPROVED THE PLAN AMENDMENT AND IN THE ZONING GATES, WE WOULD DO JEERING YOU AS THE BASE ZONING, ADD A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT LIMITS USERS TO LR AND ADDS IN, UM, RESTRICTIONS SET FORTH IN SECTION 25 DASH FIVE EIGHT SEVEN D. AND IN SUBSECTION 25 DASH TWO DASH EIGHT ZERO NINE. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, UM, WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. CAN WE, CAN WE DISCUSS, OH, THANK YOU. CAN I JUST SAY ANOTHER SENTENCE OR TWO? BECAUSE I THINK I WAS INTERRUPTED AS I WAS TALKING. YES, YOU WERE. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD AND COMMIT TO NEAR FULL TIME. UM, WELL, SO THE, THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP AT THE SAME RESULT, I THINK ANYWAY, UM, AND THIS JUST SORT OF SAVES SOME TIME AND SOME UNCERTAINTY, UH, AND I THINK THIS IS AN, A, A REASONABLE PLACE FOR, UH, A RESTAURANT IN THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE ACTUALLY LOTS OF RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A BLOCK OR TWO THAT STAY OPEN, YOU KNOW, AT THIS HOURS. UM, THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF, YOU KNOW, THE RED LINE, THE PETRONELLIS BICYCLE TRAIL, AND IMAGINE AUSTIN CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, HALF HALF, YOU KNOW, LIKE A QUARTER MILE FROM, UH, ANOTHER IMAGINE AUSTIN CORRIDOR ON PLEASANT VALLEY. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHERE WE WANT A, AN ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN. AND, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, IT'S ON THE PETRONELLIS BIKE ROUTE. I GO BY IT ALL THE TIME. UM, IT'S AN ACTIVE, UH, TRANSPORTATION CENTER AND I THINK IT WORKS WELL IF THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER RESTAURANTS SORT OF MIXED IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THERE. AND I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE A, BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS SPEAKING AGAINST COMMISSIONER COPPS? YEAH, I, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION, UM, PRIMARILY JUST BECAUSE OF THE STICKING POINT ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE POINT BEHIND HAVING THE RESTAURANT YOUTH B A CONDITIONAL USE IS SO THAT, THAT THEN THE NEIGHBORS, [02:10:01] THE, THE BUSINESS OWNER AND, AND THIS COMMISSION, AND ACTUALLY GET INTO THAT MINUTIA OF DETAIL AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWING A RESTAURANT YOUTH THAT IS AS COMPATIBLE AS POSSIBLE WHILE STILL VIABLE FOR THE APPLICANT AS VIABLE FOR THE, FOR THE BUSINESS OWNER, ALLOW THAT TO MOVE FORWARD. WE CAN'T GET INTO THAT MINUTIA RIGHT NOW. INSTEAD, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BLANKET APPROVAL FOR RESTAURANT THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN PARTY HARD UNTIL 11:00 PM, RIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION OF MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE AND MULTIFAMILY HOME. SO I CAN SUPPORT THE RESTAURANT YOUTH AS THEY CONDITIONAL E YOU, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AS A BLANKET AND A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. UM, COMMISSIONER SPEAKING IN FAVOR FISHER IS TRAVEL, TRAVEL VERIFIED THAT THOSE DO, UM, SUBSECTIONS AND WE'RE AT THAT I ESSENTIALLY JUST MENTIONED, BUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD REQUESTED AND WOULD LIMIT THE OTHER SORT OF DESIGN FEATURES AS MR. THOMPSON WAS LEANED OUT. SO OUTSIDE OF TIME, IT WOULD ENSURE THAT THE OTHER DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE OTHER SET OF CONSIDERATIONS AROUND COMPATIBILITY, THAT I KNOW WERE IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE INCLUDED IN PART OF THIS MOTION. AND THAT IS WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY TO ADD THAT. HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THE CONCERN TIME, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT IF THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT COMES BEFORE US LATER, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT CONSIDERATION WILL BE RESOLVED OR REMOVED IN ANY SORT OF REASONABLE WAY. SO THAT IS A DECISION THAT WE CAN MAKE AS A COMMISSION RIGHT NOW, UM, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IN THAT WAY. THAT IS WHY I THINK THIS SUBSTITUTE MOTION GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT FORWARD WITH WHAT IS POSSIBLE IN THIS TIME WHILE ENSURING THAT THERE IS A FEASIBLE USE OF THAT SPACE AS A RESTAURANT. GOOD COMMISSIONER SPEAKING AGAINST COMMISSIONER YANNA, SPOLETO. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT I THINK THE PRIMARY CONCERN WITH THE COMMERCIAL USE HERE WITH THE RESTAURANT USE IS THE HOURS OF OPERATION. AND THEN JUST AS COMMISSIONER COX, YOU KNOW, REITERATE, THAT'S REITERATED, THAT'S WHERE THE DETAILS CAN COME IN. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL AND HOUSING BALANCE AND HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO PLAY OUT. UM, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST STILL SO EARLY IN THE PROCESS. SO BY THE TIME OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD, UH, BE REQUESTED, WE WOULD KNOW A LOT MORE, AND THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE ACTUAL FACTORS TO CONSIDER BESIDES THIS HYPOTHETICAL PROJECT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS PENDING THE ZONING. UM, SO FOR THAT REASON, I, I THINK THE CONDITIONAL USE IS IMPORTANT. SURE. SPEAKING IN FAVOR, UH, COMMISSIONER MICHELLA KIND OF A NEUTRAL CAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO PROPOSALS. SO IF THERE'S A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO EXPAND ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE GREEN ON THE COMMISSION. UM, I'M, UH, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE HOURS OF THE OPERATION OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN, UM, AND AS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF EXPANDING THE CORRIDORS WHERE IT'S SUPPOSE, UH, AND ALLOWING THE EXPANSION, WE WANT THE BUY-IN AND LOOKING LONGTERM DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT? WE WANT THE BUY-IN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE AND IS MEANINGFUL. AND SO THERE WAS SOME COMMENTARY ABOUT THE CASE CRIER AND DEVELOPMENT ON ONE SIDE OF A FREEWAY DIVIDE. AND NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY DIVIDE BY LISTENING TO THEM AND THEIR CONCERNS ALSO. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT IT'S NOT A, A HIGHWAY DIVIDE ISSUE. IT REALLY IS TRYING TO ALLOW THE GROWTH TO TAKE PLACE SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE THERE DON'T HAVE TO FEAR IT, AND WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MANEUVER IT IN, UM, IN WAYS THAT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL AND ACCEPTABLE, BOTH TO EXISTING RESIDENTS AND INCOMING RESIDENTS. AND DOESN'T DIMINISH IT FOR EVERYBODY. SO THAT'S MY NEUTRAL COMMENT. AND IF ANYBODY CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES THERE, OKAY. COMMISSIONER SNYDER, I'LL GIVE YOU THE LESS LOT. I'M NOT SURE BETTER WHERE WE ARE. UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. UH, SO I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE SUBSTITUTE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT LIMITS THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF ANY RESTAURANT TO 8:00 PM. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE AMENDING A SUBSTITUTE, UH, SORT OF THE AMENDMENT IS, UH, LIMITING THE HOURS TO 8:00 PM. THE RESTAURANT OPERATION. WE [02:15:01] HAVE A SECOND. I CAN EXPLAIN IT IF, OKAY. UH, WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER I VOTE AND SPEAK TO YOUR AMENDMENT TO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. SO, UM, I, I, I THINK WE WERE REALLY STUCK AND, UH, UH, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE A COMPELLING CONCERN ABOUT, UH, A RESTAURANT GOING LATE. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT TO PUT A BURDEN ON, UM, THIS APPLICANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THE EXPENSE FOR A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, A LIMITATION OF, UH, APM FOR THE RESTAURANT MIGHT BE AN ACCEPTABLE COMPROMISE. IT DOES GET US PAST THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND IF SOMETHING ELSE CAN GET WORKED OUT BEFORE THEY GO TO COUNCIL, UM, THEN EVERYBODY'S HAPPY OR MAYBE THEY'RE HAPPY NOW. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANYBODY SPEAKING AGAINST SPEAKING FOR HEATHER CHAPMAN FROM HOUSING AND PLANNING, IF I CAN, UH, GIVE INFORMATION ON THIS. OH, SURE. YES. I'M GETTING A YES, PLEASE DO. CAUSE I'M GETTING A NOTE THAT THIS MAY BE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW. GO AHEAD. EXACTLY. UM, AGAIN, HEATHER CHAPMAN, THE ONLY WAY, AND WE LIMIT AS A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY OR A PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, THE HOURS OF OPERATION BEYOND WHAT'S IN CODE RIGHT NOW WITH THE APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT TO LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO 11:00 PM, THAT IS POSSIBLE TO LIMIT IT FURTHER WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK UNDER A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IT JUST CAN'T BE PART OF A REGULAR CEO OR PUBLIC DARCY AT TIME OF ZONING IN OUR PARTY HEADER. IT WASN'T ME THIS TIME. THAT'S WHAT I DO. SO, UH, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A, UH, WHAT A CON UM, CONDITIONAL USE CVP PROVISION THAT WE ADD ON, CORRECT. AGAIN, HEATHER CHAFFIN, HOUSING PLANNING, UM, IT'S EITHER, UM, NOT LIMITING IT, LIMITING RESTAURANTS TO THE LR STANDARDS, WHICH I BELIEVE EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT THAT IF THERE IS A RESTAURANT, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE LR STANDARD, WHICH INCLUDES AN 11 O'CLOCK CUT OFF THAT TO REDUCE IT FURTHER WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK AT TIME OF SITE PLAN WITH THE FULLY DEVELOPED DRAWINGS AND DETAILS ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M SORRY, HOW, WHAT WOULD THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE A CFP TO WHAT, UM, WHAT WOULD THEY BE GETTING, UM, I'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THE CP WOULD ACTUALLY HELP YOU. THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL MOTION, I BELIEVE HERE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I, I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO L E SPEAKING BECAUSE I CAN ONLY HEAR THIS IS A CHAIR AND JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THE CP. AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WAS THAT KIND OF GETS US BACK TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL MOTION WE HAD. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH WHAT, UM, THE SUBSTITUTE, UM, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT OUR RESTRICTION AS AN AMENDMENT TO THAT SUBSTITUTE MOTION. UH, SO I THINK WE WERE COMPLETING, UM, THE FORWARD AGAINST, UH, THE MOTION. UM, DO WE, I HAVE ONE MORE SLOT THAT COMMISSIONER TODD CRE SPOKE. UM, SO WE NEED TO GO AND VOTE ON THIS SUBSTITUTE. UM, SO IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? DO YOU, UH, MR. AZHAR, UM, JUST FOR CLARITY, CAN YOU READ IT ONE MORE TIME, THIS SUBSTITUTE MOTION? SURE. THANK YOU. UM, CHAIR. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR APPROVING THE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND THEN FOR THE ZONING, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH G R M U AS THE BASE ZONING WITH A CONDITIONER OVERLAY THAT LIMITS USES TO LR AND, UH, APPLIES DESIGN GUIDELINES, OR THE GUIDELINES FROM SUBSECTION 25 DASH TWO FIVE EIGHT SEVEN D AND SUBSECTION 25 DASH EIGHT, SORRY, 25 DASH TWO DASH EIGHT ZERO NINE TO THE RESTAURANT USE. [02:20:03] ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, SEE THOSE IN FAVOR. UH, I'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE FOUR FIVE IN FAVOR, THOSE AGAINST I HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, AND THOSE IN ABSTAINING, I HAVE ONE. SO THAT'S, UH, ONE MORE TIME. THOSE IN FAVOR HE WAS FIVE. FIVE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I'M TRYING TO GET IT TO ADD UP TO 11. APPRECIATE IT. UH, SO THAT MOTION FAILS. SO WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMISSIONER COX, CAN YOU STATE YOUR MOTION ONE MORE TIME? THIS IS THE MOTION MADE BY MR. COX SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER YOU KALITA. YES. UM, IT IS THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, AMENDMENTS AND EMOTION TO APPROVE THE G R M U ZONING WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY OF L R USES AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, OR SORRY TO MAKE RESTAURANT RESTAURANT THEY CONDITIONAL USE. IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S OKAY, SO LET'S GO AHEAD. UM, WE WERE, UH, KIND OF IN THE MIDST OF HAVING OUR DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAD THE SUBSTITUTE. UH, I DO HAVE A COMMISSIONER COX SPOKE IN FAVOR, UH, COMMISSIONER YONIS FLEET SPOKE IN FAVOR. UH, DOES, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THIS MOTION? ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO GO AND, UH, LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE THOSE IN FAVOR. FIRST OF ALL. OKAY. I HAVE 10, UM, COUNTING 10 IN FAVOR AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD. ARE YOU PRESENT MR. HOWARD? UH, OKAY. WE HAVE 11. OH, THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD ON THAT ONE COMMISSIONERS. UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE MOVING TO OUR, UH, I'M NOT MISTAKEN OUR THIRD AND, UH, DISCUSSION CASE, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET IT QUEUED UP HERE. [B13. Rezoning: C14-2020-0144 - 2700 S. Lamar, District 5] THIS IS A YES. ALL RIGHT. THE DESIGN OF THE 13 REZONING AT, UH, KC 14 2020 DASH ZERO ONE 44, 2,700 SOUTH LAMAR, UH, STAFF, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US THE BACKGROUND ON THIS CASE, PLEASE? YOU THINK COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS KATE CLARK WITH THE HOUSING PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THIS IS ITEM NUMBER B 13 ON YOUR AGENDA. THIS REZONING CASE IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SOUTH LAMAR, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2.9 ACRES IN SIZE. IT CONSISTS OF SEVEN TRACKS, AND IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED THE COMBINATION OF G R D S ONE V G R V G R V T O. AND MS. REZONING, IT IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL LAND USES. THE SITE IS MOST BEFRIENDED BY COMMERCIAL BASED ZONING DISTRICTS WITH A SMALL PORTION OF MULTI-FAMILY ZONING, ADJACENT ZONING TO THE NORTH CONSISTS OF EMIS THREE AND G R ZONE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTHEAST ACROSS DICKERSON DRIVE IS GR ZONING TO THE SOUTHEAST, ACROSS SOUTH LAMAR BOULEVARD, RCS V N G R C O ZONED PROPERTY AND ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHWEST OR G R V C O AND T R M U C O ZONE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE ALL TRACKS TO MSX TO BUILD A BULK OF FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WITH UP TO 500 UNITS. THEY HAVE STATED IN THE REZONING APPLICATION THAT THEY WILL VOLUNTARILY PROVIDE 10% OF THE GUINNESS AT 60% MFI DECID RECOMMENDING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REZONE ALL TRACKS TO MSX THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STATES THAT THE ZONING DISTRICTS MAY BE APPLIED TO A YOUTH AND ESSENTIALLY LOCATED AREA NEAR SUPPORTING TRANSPORTATION AND COMMERCIAL FACILITIES. THIS REZONING CASE IS ADJACENT TO SOUTH LAMAR BOULEVARD, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS A LEVEL THREE STREET AND THE AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND AN ACTIVITY CORRIDOR WITHIN THE IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS ALSO LOCATED ALONG AN IDENTIFIED PROPOSED ENHANCED METRO RESTED ROUTE AND PROJECT CONNECTS INITIAL INVESTMENT SERVICE MAP REZONING THIS PROPERTY AND THE FIX WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE STATEMENT OF THE ZONING DISTRICT AND PROVIDE INCREASED RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES ALONG AN EXISTING AND PLANNED TRANSIT CORRIDOR. THANK YOU. THIS CONCLUDES THE STAFF SUMMARY FOR THIS [02:25:01] REZONING CASE AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT STEP, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES AND I HAVE, UM, MICHAEL WHALEN STAR SIX ON MUTE. YES, PLEASE TELL ME WHEN THE PRESENTATION'S UP. OKAY. WE SEE THE INTRODUCTION PAGE. THANK YOU, MICHAEL WHALEN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS, I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT A CASE AT 2,700 SOUTH LAMAR, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS A PATCHWORK OF DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORIES THAT WE ARE ASKING TO CONSOLIDATE INTO A UNIFIED MSX PROJECT DOING SO WOULD MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS AND LOWER THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IN THE BARTON SPRINGS ZONE. IT WOULD DO SO A COMPATIBLE DISTANCE FROM SINGLE FAMILY AND ON A MAJOR CORRIDOR, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN A MOMENT. THE SITE CURRENTLY IS A PATCHWORK OF VARIOUS COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY AND VMU ZONING DISTRICTS. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, AND I'LL DESCRIBE THE OVERALL ENTITLEMENTS IN A MOMENT HERE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SITE IS ON SOUTH LAMAR. IT IS LOCATED ON SOUTH LAMAR, WHICH HAS WHICH THE CITY HAS CONSISTENTLY DESIGNATED FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH AS AN IMAGINED AUSTIN CORRIDOR, CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR, TRANSIT PRIORITY NETWORK ROADWAY, AND ONE OF ONLY TWO RAPID TRANSIT ROUTES IN THE ENTIRE CITY. THE CITY IS ALSO MAKING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN THE SOUTH LAMAR CORRIDOR TO HELP SUPPORT THIS PLAN ADDITIONAL GROWTH IN 2018, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A $36 MILLION PLAN WITH MILES OF NEW SIDEWALKS, DEDICATED BIKE LANES, PEDESTRIAN, BEACONS, AND OTHER KEY IMPROVEMENTS. THE SITE IS ALSO ON A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA TOWARD WHICH THE CITY IS TRYING HARD TO STEER NEW AFFORDABLE UNITS. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS PROVIDE ACCESS TO GREATER ECONOMIC SECURITY, HOUSING, STABILITY, MOBILITY OPTIONS, EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, AND IMPROVE HEALTH AND WELLBEING. AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, GIVEN THE DISCUSSION TODAY, IT IS A COMPATIBLE DISTANCE FROM SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY. THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY A MEANINGFUL TRANSITION ZONE OF COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY THAT ALLOWS A STEP DOWN IN INTENSITY BETWEEN THE SITE AND NEARBY SINGLE FAMILY AREAS. THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY IS BEING REZONED ARE BLUE AND ARE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY GR AND MULTIFAMILY GREEN IN THIS IMAGE IS THE SINGLE FAMILY. I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF NEARBY COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, EVEN THUNDERCLOUD THE SOUP PEDDLER, AND MATT'S EL RANCHO RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN PRACTICE. THIS SHOWS THE ALLOWABLE BUILDING ENVELOPE ON YOUR RIGHT AND A MODEL OF THE DISTANCE TO THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY ON THE LEFT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WOULD BE A MEANINGFUL DISTANCE THAT HELPS ENSURE COMPATIBILITY AND IS NOTICED AS NOTED. THIS REPRESENTS THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY. MOST AREAS ARE FURTHER AWAY THAN, AND WE WILL FULLY COMPLY WITH COMPATIBILITY. EMBRACING THESE PROJECTS IS IMPORTANT. IF WE ARE TO MEET OUR AFFORDABILITY GOALS. CURRENTLY, THE CITY HAS A GOAL OF 4,473 AFFORDABLE UNITS IN DISTRICT FIVE, BY 2028 TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, WE WILL NEED TO PRODUCE 486 NEW AFFORDABLE UNITS EACH YEAR. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE CONSISTENTLY FALLING SHORT OF THAT NEED 2,700 SOUTH LAMAR, WHICH SUPPORT OUR AFFORDABILITY GOALS BY PROVIDING AN ESTIMATED 50 NEW AFFORDABLE UNITS, 10% OF OUR ESTIMATED TOTAL AT 60% MFI FOR 40 YEARS IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA, IT WOULD ALSO DO SO WHILE LOWERING THE OVERALL SITE INTENSITY HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE ENTITLEMENTS UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING COMPARED TO MSX. IN MOST RESPECTS, MSX IS EITHER EQUAL TO, OR A DECREASE IN INTENSITY, INCLUDING A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS COVER IN THE BARTON SPRINGS ZONE, THE PRECISE AREA WHERE THE CITY HAS SOUGHT TO LIMIT IMPERVIOUS COVER TO IMPROVE WATER QUALITY. IN CONTRAST, THE MAIN INCREASE WOULD BE THE STEP UP IN HEIGHT, ACCOMPANIED BY A DOUBLING OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. AND AS NOTED, THIS HEIGHT INCREASE WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS. AND THERE IS A PREEXISTING TRANSITION ZONE OF MULTIFAMILY AND MOSTLY COMMERCIAL USES BETWEEN OUR SITE AND SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS. FINALLY, THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING IMPERVIOUS COVER IN THE BARTON SPRINGS ZONE. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE CITY CODE PROVIDES A REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION THAT ALLOWS PROJECTS TO REDEVELOP UP TO THEIR EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVER, WHICH FOR OUR SITE TODAY IS 86%. HOWEVER, UNDER MSX, WE WILL BE DECREASING OUR IMPERVIOUS [02:30:01] COVER TO 80%, A MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENT IN THE BARTON SPRINGS ZONE. OUR PROJECT WOULD ALSO ADD WATER QUALITY FACILITIES WHERE NONE EXIST TODAY. SO TO RECAP, THE CITY SEEKS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABILITY IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS, AS WELL AS IMPROVING WATER QUALITY OUTCOMES IN THE BARTON SPRINGS ZONE AREA. THIS PROJECT SUPPORTS THOSE THESE GOALS BY MORE THAN DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS AND LOWERING THE SITES ENTITLEMENT FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER. ADDITIONALLY, THE SITE IS LOCATED ON A MAJOR TRANSIT CORRIDOR IN IS COMPAT AND IS A COMPATIBLE DISTANCE FROM SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY AREAS. THIS SITE CHECKS EVERY BOX, MEET SPECIFIC POLICY OBJECTIVES, RIGHT WHERE THE CITY IS POURING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THIS VERY TYPE OF HOUSING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND I'LL RESERVE MY RIGHT TO CLOSE, UH, WITH REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST NEXT. I HAVE SPEAKING IN FAVOR, JOE JOE WARNOCK. YEP. CAN YOU SHARE MY NAME IS JAY WARNOCK. I'M ONE OF THE APPLICANTS FOR 27 SOUTH FROM OUR CASE. I HEARD YOUR CONVERSATION EARLIER ON THE BURNET ROAD ITEM. AND WHILE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME SIMILARITIES THERE AND HERE, I ALSO WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I SEE AS A MAJOR SUPPORTING FACTOR THAT IS SPECIFIC TO OUR SOUTH LAMAR CASE. AND THAT IS THIS CASE AS A BUILT-IN TRANSITION ZONE, AS YOU WILL HEAR TODAY, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE BETWEEN OUR CASE AND ANY OF THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DO NOT BACK UP TO ANY SINGLE FAMILY. LOTS. INSTEAD, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES THAT WILL ALLOW A BUILT-IN TRANSITIONAL STEP DOWN AND INTENSITY BETWEEN THE MORE INTENSE CORRIDOR, LOTS IN THE LESS INTENSE NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS. A LOT OF THE POLICY CONVERSATIONS AT THE CITY HAVE BEEN ABOUT HOW TO GROW IN WAYS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE AND THAT TRANSITIONED DOWN IN INTENSITY AS YOU MOVE AWAY FROM THE CORRIDORS AND TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOODS. HOWEVER, THAT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT IN MANY CASES BECAUSE OF THE WAY AUSTIN GREW IN THE PAST HERE. HOWEVER, WE HAVE A MUCH RARE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE TRULY DO HAVE THE BUILT-IN PREEXISTING TRANSITION ZONE THAT ALLOWS US TO UNLOCK THE ADDITIONAL HOUSING THAT NSX CAN PROVIDE. AND IN THIS CASE, THE ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IN ADDITION TO ALLOWING US TO ACHIEVE POLICY INITIATIVES SET FORTH IN THE OFFICER TAHITI STREET'S STRATEGIC HOUSING BLUEPRINT, YASIR STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, AND THE IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE WILL ALSO BE ACHIEVING THE POLICY GOALS EMBEDDED IN THE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS TO CREATE APPROPRIATE AND SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS AND BUFFERS WITH SINGLE FAMILY, FAMILY PROPERTIES. HERE, WE WILL BE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS CASE. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT PROJECT THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IN A WAY THAT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING AREAS. AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT OUR REQUEST. THANK YOU. UH, MOVING ON TO THOSE OPPOSE. I HAVE ONE SPEAKER, LORRAINE ATHERTON. HELLO. HELLO. I CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY. MY NAME IS LORRAINE ATHERTON. I'M HERE FOR THE ZILKER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, CAN YOU PUT UP THE, UH, THE, UH, ATTACHMENT THAT I SENT WITH MY EMAIL, THE, UH, MAP OF THE AREA IT'S, UH, I SENT AN EMAIL EARLIER TODAY. LET ME CHECK, LET ME CHECK WITH MR. RIVERA TO SEE IF WE HAVE THAT ACCESSIBLE FOR ME JUST ONE MINUTE. OKAY. YEAH. UH, SO I WILL, UH, UH, UH, TRY AND GET THROUGH MY LETTER OF THE DAY LET'S, UH, UM, MS. HAMPTON AND LET'S. YEAH, JUST WAIT UNTIL WE GET YOUR, UH, DOCUMENT UP AND THEN WE'LL START YOUR TIME. I WON'T START IT UNTIL WE HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION IN FRONT. LET ME KNOW WHEN IT'S UP. I WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU. [02:35:16] ALL RIGHT. UH, OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. WE HAVE A MAT. LOOKS LIKE A MAP. YEAH. YES, YES, YES. UH, OKAY. I'M, I'M HERE TO REPORT ON THE RESULTS OF, UH, THE DNA MEETING. SO ANY COMMITTEE MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT LAST FRIDAY, UH, THE ZONING COMMITTEE, UH, BASED ON, ON INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT, THE ZONING COMMITTEE HAS CALCULATED THAT THE EXISTING ZONING WITH VMU EXTENDED TO TRACT ONE COULD RESULT IN 483 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON 86% IMPERVIOUS COVER WITH MF SIX ZONING. THE OWNER PROPOSES TO BILL 480 UNITS IN EIGHT FLOORS AND 80% IMPERVIOUS COVER. THE INCREASED ENTITLEMENTS OF MF SIX WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW 686 UNITS, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY REDUCED BY COMPATIBILITY SETBACKS. THE CONCEPT PLAN PRESENTED BY THE OWNER WOULD LIKELY CONTAIN ONLY 463 UNITS. IF ONE ASSUMES THAT MOST OF THE GROUND FLOOR WOULD BE TAKEN UP BY PARKING LAST NIGHT, OUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE VOTED TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT, UH, THE EXISTING VM USE ZONING AND TO SUPPORT THE EXTENSION OF THE VMU OVERLAY TO TRACT ONE AT 2,700 SOUTH LAMAR, IF THE OWNER REQUESTED, UH, UH, UH, GIVEN THAT IT, IT, UH, IT WOULD SUPPLY MORE, UH, UH, THE SAME AMOUNT OR MORE UNITS WITH, UH, MORE COMMUNITY BENEFITS. UM, UH, LET ME SEE, UH, THE, UH, ON FRIDAY, WE ALSO DISCOVERED THE APPLICANT NOW OWNS THE ENTIRE GOODWILL PROPERTIES SHOWN IN PINK ON THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT. A AS GNA HAD ALREADY SUPPORTED, UH, A PROPOSAL FOR 109 UNITS OF PERMANENT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING ON THE GOODWILL SITE, WE WERE DISAPPOINTED TO LEARN THAT GOODWILL IS NO LONGER A PARTNER THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NO OTHER NONPROFIT PARTNER TO MANAGE OR ADMINISTER ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT THEY ARE REFUSING TO INCLUDE THE BULK OF THE GOODWILL PROPERTY IN THIS RESELLING CASE. THAT REFUSAL MAKES IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO NEGOTIATE ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, VITAL FACTORS IN THE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY. UH, SO TO SUM UP IN THE MEETING ON FRIDAY, THE APPLICANT DISCLOSED THAT THEY DO NOT INTEND TO BUILD MORE HOUSING THAN COULD BE ACHIEVED UNDER VMU, AND THEY MIGHT BUILD MUCH LESS. THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE APPEARS TO BE THAT ZONING WOULD RELIEVE THEM OF THE OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS SUCH AS INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS REQUIRED BY THE VMU. THE COULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR OVERRIDING EXISTING VMU ZONING ON CORE TRANSIT CORRIDORS, UH, ARTICLE FOUR OF SUB CHAPTER E LISTS, MULTIPLE PAGES OF THE SUPERIOR ASPECTS OF VMU DEVELOPMENT OVER OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS. FOR THESE REASONS, IT IS OF GREAT CONCERN THAT NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD GET AN INFERIOR PRODUCT WITH. SUCH AS THAT APPLIED FOR AT 2,700 SOUTH, UM, UH, THE CNA, UM, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES, THEREFORE REQUESTS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND AGAINST THE MF SIX REZONING AND ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION OF THE VMU OVERLAY TO TRACT ONE. AND I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THE OTHER, OTHER ISSUES, UH, MENTIONED AT THE END OF THE LETTER. UH, THERE ARE MANY, UH, DAVID KING, UH, HAS ZONING AND PLANNING. COMMISSIONER HAS, UH, ALSO SENT YOU A LETTER, UH, THAT FOCUSES ON, ON THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND HOW AN MF SIX PROJECT WOULD ACTUALLY SERVE TO ISOLATE ALL OF THOSE MULTIFAMILY, [02:40:02] UH, MODERATE INCOME MULTI-FAMILY, UH, APARTMENTS, UH, UH, UH, BEHIND THIS PROPERTY AND HOW WE WOULD ACTUALLY LOSE, UH, LOSE MORE, UH, MORE AFFORDABILITY THAN, UH, THIS, UH, REZONING, UM, IS OFFERING. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, THAT IS ALL THE SPEAKERS I HAVE, UH, LISTED, SO WE WILL NOW MOVE IN. OH, SO LET'S GO AHEAD. AND, UM, HELLO? OH, WE HAD THE APPLICANT REBUTTAL. YES. UM, YES. YEAH, JUST A QUICKLY, A COUPLE OF POINTS. AND I APPRECIATE, UH, UH, MS. ATKINS COMMENTS. UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE STAFF SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN, UH, VERY OFTEN FOR AN MF SIX PROJECT. YOU CAN READ THE REPORT. I THINK IT STATES WELL HAVING THIS, UH, COLLAR, IF YOU WILL, OF GR PRIMARILY WITH A LITTLE SLIVER OF MS. THREE SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY IS A MEANINGFUL TRANSITION, UM, AND THE FULL COMPLIANCE WITH COMPATIBILITY, WHICH REALLY IS OUR OLDEST AND AS Y'ALL KNOW, VERY WELL, OUR MOST BELOVED POLICIES, UH, IT'S VERY GENEROUS AND WE WILL FULLY COMPLY WITH IT. ALSO WANT TO KNOW THAT AT LEAST OUR ARCHITECT HAS TOLD US IN ANALYZING IF EVERYTHING WERE VMU THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING, IT'D BE APPROXIMATELY, UH, 260 OR 270 UNITS, UH, WHICH IS WHY I STATED EARLIER, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO ALMOST DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THEREBY DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. AND IT IS CORRECT THAT THE AFFORDABILITY WOULD BE ACHIEVED THROUGH A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. I STATED IN OUR COVER LETTER, AND I STATED IT HERE PUBLICLY WITH A THIRD PARTY, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY WITH HABITAT SINCE THEY HAVE EXECUTED AND HAVE MONITORED SIMILAR PROJECTS, UH, PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS. SO AGAIN, HAVING A, AND I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE GOODWILL IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE SITE. IT WOULD REMAIN GRV, UH, IN, IN, IN PART, BECAUSE COMPATIBILITY DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THERE AT ALL. AGAIN, RESPECTING COMPATIBILITY, UH, AGAIN, COMPATIBILITY FULL COMPLIANCE AND STAFF SUPPORT, I THINK ARE TWO KEY ELEMENTS ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT SO MANY OF THE POLICIES ARE ACTUALLY ACHIEVED HERE, WHERE THE CITY IS POURING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. OBVIOUSLY MYSELF, JOE WORNICK, MICHAEL BODINE, AND MS. ATHERTON WILL ALL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC, UH, UM, BY SHARING HEMPEL SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COP'S GUN BOAT. ALRIGHT, THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN UP TO Q AND A. WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? LET'S SEE, ON THIS CASE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER COX. I WAITED FOR THAT. I WASN'T ALWAYS THE FIRST ONE. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, WE DID GET, WE DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS ABOUT HOW THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THE ZONING BECAUSE THEY, THEY REALLY ENJOY THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT EXIST ON THESE LOTS. AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A COMMERCIAL SPACE ON SOUTH LAMAR, WHERE ELSE WOULD WE HAVE IT? UH, AND SO I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS IS AND NOT SOMETHING THAT INCLUDES A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO IT, LIKE, LIKE THE EXISTING ZONING IS, UH, AND ALLOW IN SOME CURIOUS IF THE APPLICANT CAN ELABORATE ON WHY THEY DID NOT PURSUE A ZONING CATEGORY THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL SPACE ON SOUTH LAMAR. YEAH, MICHAEL WAY ON, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TWO, UH, RESPONSES, UH, FIRST, UH, THE GOODWILL, UM, SITE IS NOT BEING REZONED. SO IT WILL REMAIN, UH, UH, WITH THE V AND, UH, WILL BE USED EITHER AS, UH, ENTIRELY COMMERCIAL [02:45:01] OR IF IT HAS RESIDENTIAL ABOVE, IT WILL HAVE THAT MIX. UM, WE KNOW THAT HOUSING SUPPORTS THE SUCCESS OF COMMERCIAL IN THAT MOST OF OUR QUARTERS ARE ACTUALLY A MIX OF USES. THAT IS A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND, UM, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL. AND I THINK IN THE END, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS ON A TRANSIT CORRIDOR WITH TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT PROVIDES THE GREATEST BENEFIT TO A GREATER NUMBER OF PEOPLE. THEN THE OBJECTING PARTIES IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THAT'S THAT MR. AREA, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHY, WHY COULDN'T WE DOUBLE THE UNITS AND DOUBLE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT ALSO MAKE IT SPACE FOR DIRTY DOG GROOMING, WHICH IS BELOVED AND ALSO MAKE IT SPACE FOR GOOD PUBLIC HEALTH, WHICH IS BELOVED AND ALL OF THE OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY YET. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CODE COMMITTEE TO DO THAT. WE DON'T HAVE, DESPITE THE CRISIS THAT WE HAVE WITH REGARD TO HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE DO NOT HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE UNITS, UH, AND HAVE, UH, UH, HOUSING AND EXCUSE ME, COMMERCIAL. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. WAYLON IS, YEAH, I MEAN, I W I, AND I, I APOLOGIZE, COMMISSIONER, WE DO HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY. IT JUST, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD MAYBE NOT. I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, DMU WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, LIMITING THE HEIGHT TO 90 FEET WOULD BE THAT CATEGORY DMU, WHICH IS A DOWNTOWN MIXED USE. BUT I JUST RECALL THAT IS A CATEGORY THAT WOULD ACHIEVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR WITH IT, WITH A HEIGHT LIMIT. WELL, AND MY LAST QUESTION, SAME AS THE WAYLON IS W WHAT DO YOU THINK THE IMPACT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING YOU REALLY, REALLY STRESS THAT THERE'S ALREADY PRE-EXISTING COMPATIBILITY, BUT THE RESONANCES DIRECTLY BEHIND THESE LOTS ARE ACTUALLY FAIRLY SMALL DUPLEXES, MAYBE QUAD FLEXES THAT, UM, UH, ARE A MARKET RATE AFFORDABLE RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THIS MASSIVE 500 UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO DO, TO, TO THE, THE VALUE OF, OF ALL THOSE MARKET RATE, AFFORDABLE DUPLEXES BEHIND THIS PROPERTY? WELL, FIRST, UH, THERE, AS YOU ALREADY NOTED, THEY'RE ALL , SO THEY'RE, UH, UM, CERTAINLY SUBJECT TO REDEVELOPMENT AND HAVE MEANINGFUL RIGHTS, UH, FOR REDEVELOPMENT ALREADY, UH, AND ARE THE, UH, LIKELY, UH, AND DO NOT QUALIFY TO TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY, UH, IT, AS YOU WELL KNOW, IT'S SF FIVE OR MORE RESTRICTIVE, UH, SITE OR A USE OF SF FIVE, UH, OR MORE RESTRICTIVE USE, UH, THAT TRIGGERS THE COMPATIBILITY. SO IT, IT IS NOT A POLICY THAT HAS YET BEEN PASSED. I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO IT IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE POLICY, WE'RE IN FULL COMPLIANCE OF WHAT I CONSIDER. AND I THINK MOST OF Y'ALL CONSIDER SINCE, UH, A VERY GENEROUS COMPATIBILITY, UH, UH, ORDINANCE. BUT DO YOU THINK THAT THE VALUE OF THOSE MARKET RATE AFFORDABLE DUPLEXES IS GOING TO CHANGE WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT GOES IN? I I'M, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE A DEGREE IN APPRAISING. I DON'T HA I, I DO. I DON'T HAVE A WAY TO ANSWER THAT. UH, HI. I, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. CLARK. UM, I, UH, IN THE BURNET CASE, I HAD AN EXCHANGE WITH STAFF, UM, UH, ABOUT WHY THERE WAS NOT MORE DONE TO ENCOURAGE OR DIRECT THE APPLICANT TOWARD, UH, THE VMU, UH, STYLE. AND, UH, I THINK TO SUMMARIZE, I DON'T WANT TO MISCHARACTERIZE IT, BUT IT WAS SORT OF LIKE, BECAUSE THIS IS SHORT, THAT THAT PROJECT WAS SHORT ON, ON BURNET. UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T THAT MUCH FRONTAGE ON BERNADETTE WENT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IN THIS CASE, THIS IS NOT REALLY THE CASE. UM, WE'VE GOT A RESTAURANT AND FIVE OR SIX LITTLE BUSINESSES, UM, THAT WILL GO AWAY UNDER AN MF DESIGNATION. AND, UH, SO I WONDER WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS, W W WHY YOU DIDN'T DIRECT IT MORE TOWARDS VERTICAL MIXED USE [02:50:02] COMMISSIONER FIXES CASE CART. UM, STAFF DOES AGREE THAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION. UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE ASKED TO REVIEW THE RETURNING REQUESTS THAT THERE, AS THEY'RE PRESENTED TO US, UM, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING . SO WE EVALUATED WHETHER OR NOT STAFF BELIEVE THAT MSA BASED ZONING WAS APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION. UM, AND WE DETERMINED THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE. AND IN OUR OPINION, DUE TO THE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING AND PLANNED TRANSIT CORRIDORS, IT'S NOT OUR PLACE TO WEIGH AN APPLICANT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UM, WE WERE JUST, WE REVIEWED THE ZONING CASE THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE, UM, FROM THE APPLICANTS REQUEST. YOU CAME TO A DIFFERENT RESULT IN THE BURNETT CASE RECOMMENDING, I MEAN, IT WAS STILL MF, WHICH I ALSO THINK IS PROBLEMATIC TO SOME DEGREE, BUT YOU RECOMMENDED MSF IN THIS CASE OR NOT IN THAT FOUR IS IT? WE DID. UM, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS, SORRY, MICHELLE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. NO, NO, I WAS DONE. UM, OKAY. UM, SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE OTHER MSX REZONING CASE, WE SAW THAT DUE TO IT, UM, UM, THE SIZE AND THE WAY IT WAS POSITIONED, IT'S ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY AT THE THREE ZONING ON TWO SIDES. IT ALSO HAD THE MSV ZONING ALONG ALMOST HALF OF THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY. UH, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SIMILAR AS FAR AS BEING POSITIONED ON TRANSIT CORRIDORS, THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS MOSTLY SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL BASED ZONING DISTRICTS WITH ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF IT BUDDING THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING. ADDITIONALLY, THE DEPTHS OF THE COMMERCIAL ZONING ALONG SOUTH LAMAR IS DEEPER THAN IN THE PREVIOUS ZONING CASE. SO SHOULD THIS REZONING REQUEST BE GRANTED? IT WOULD STILL BE MOSTLY SURROUNDED BY GR BASED ZONING, UH, WITH THE CLOSEST SINGLE ZONING BETWEEN 250 AND 330 FEET AWAY. WHEREAS THE OTHER CASE, UM, IF IT SHOULD BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, UM, WOULD STILL BE ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY. RESIDENTIAL USES THOUGH. THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT ENDS UP AT 75 FEET WITH THAT SORT OF DISTANCE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, SORRY. LET ME, UM, LET ME ASK, UH, BEFORE MY TIME RUNS OUT, UM, I KNOW THIS IS LIKE A CONCEPT THOUGH. I CAN'T, I CAN'T RECALL THE EXACT LOCATION AND IMAGINE AUSTIN, BUT THERE'S THIS IDEA OF COMPACT AND CONNECTED AND IDEA OF WALKABILITY. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS PROJECT DEGRADES WALKABILITY IT, UH, WE, WE WOULD BE PUTTING A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS IN, BUT WE'D BE TAKING AWAY A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE JUST DOWNSTAIRS FOR THEM OR THINGS THAT NEIGHBORS COULD WALK TO. UM, AND, UH, W WE DO IT HERE THEN WHAT'S TO STOP THE STAFF FROM RECOMMENDING SOMETHING SIMILAR ACROSS THE STREET TO WHERE WE END UP WITH SORT OF CANYONS OF LOTS OF RESIDENCES, BUT, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO GO IN THEIR CAR OR CAN'T GO ANYWHERE NEARBY ON FOOT. DO YOU TAKE IT, DO YOU TAKE WALKABILITY AND WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON WALKABLE BUSINESSES INTO ACCOUNT? WHEN YOU MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS? WE DO LOOK AT IT. UM, IT'S PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE, UM, PLAN SECTION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID LOOK AT WHILE WE WERE AT REPLACING SOME COMMERCIAL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USES, WHO STOPPED SOUTH LAMAR IS HEAVILY COMMERCIAL. AND SO WE LOOKED AT IT MORE AT A HOLISTIC HIGH-LEVEL VIEW, NOT JUST THE ISOLATED ZONING, UM, SITE ITSELF, SPECIFICALLY. AND DID, DID YOU SEE THE, UH, IT MAY HAVE COME LATE, THE, AT LEAST BACK OF THE ENVELOPE ESTIMATION THAT, UM, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD DID ABOUT HOW MANY UNITS MIGHT BE DEVELOPED IF A LOT, ONE WERE ZONED VERTICAL THAT THEIR ESTIMATE SORT OF CAME UP EQUIVALENT TO, OR BETTER THAN THE APPLICANTS IN ROOM AT SIX. DID YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? SO, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE AT A TIME. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO CONTINUE THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING, UH, ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, ANY COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FINISHING ON HIS POLITO? I'LL LET HER TIME TO FINISH THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. UH, I, WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS [02:55:01] CALCULATIONS THE FIRST TIME THAT I SAW THE MAP AND THEIR CONVERSATIONS, CONVERSATIONS SPECIFIC TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS WAS IN THE EMAIL SENT IN LIGHT BACK UP TODAY. OKAY. ESPECIALLY ON A SPLITTER. DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO ASK? NOT AT THE MOMENT, BUT IF THERE'S MORE TIME I'M SURE. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER, UH, MOOSE SCHALLER, AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER PRAXIS. THANK YOU. AND I, AGAIN, SORRY FOR BEING ONE OF THE NEWBIES. SO I'M STILL LEARNING. IT SOUNDED LIKE WE STARTED TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT A DIFFERENT ZONING THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE APPLICANT AND MIGHT ALSO SATISFY WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ASKING FOR. AND I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ON THE CODES YET TO BE ABLE TO PUT INTO EMOTION AND LOOK AT WHAT BALANCES, THE UNIT NUMBERS AND THE AFFORDABILITY AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS WITH GETTING THE COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND THEN NOT COMPROMISING IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S A LOT THERE. I DON'T KNOW. SO I NEED HELP FROM STAFF, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT ANSWER IS IN THERE. AND WE ALMOST GOT TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO COMMISSIONER, MISS SHELLER. WHEN I HEARD, UH, IF I RECALL IT WAS THE APPLICANT, UH, SAYING DMU WITH A HEIGHT LIMIT, UM, WOULD, WOULD GET THEM KIND OF AT THE SAME PLACE THEY ARE NOW, UH, WITH IT WOULD GIVE THEM BMU AND THE SAME HYPE, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD. COULD, WOULD YOU AGREE TO HAVE STAFF DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO OR EVEN ENTERTAINED WITH THIS THIS EVENING? UM, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE NOTICE FOR THIS REZONING APPLICATION WENT OUT TO REZONE TO MSX. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO BE REQUESTING ANYTHING ABOVE THAT ZONING DISTRICT IN INTENSITY, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE NOTIFY FOR THIS CASE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE DISCUSSED AND OTHER TIMES. AND SO DO ALL OF THE VMU OPTIONS PUT US IN THAT SITUATION. WE DON'T, I GUESS THAT'S OKAY. UM, UM, WHEN I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE APPLICANT, AND HE WOULD NEED TO VERIFY IN ORDER TO GET TO THE NUMBERS THAT THEY WERE SAYING FOR VMU, THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE REZONING THE PORTION, UM, TO A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH VMU IN ORDER TO FULLY UTILIZE THE VMU, UM, AVAILABILITY. AND IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO RE NOTIFY FOR THIS CASE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, UM, THAT WOULD BE A HIGHER, THAT WOULD BE A HIGHER ZONING DISTRICT THAN THE MSA COMMISSIONER. MICHELLE, I'M SORRY. IT'S SINCE I'VE BEEN ON YOUR QUESTION, BUT REAL QUICK STAFF IS THAT THAT'S, UH, LET ME IT'S D AS IN DOG, M U IS THE ZONING CATEGORY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING, WE'D GET THEM TO THE, I BELIEVE, YES. HE WAS SAYING DMU FOR DOWNTOWN MIXED USE. I CAN'T SAY WHETHER OR NOT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, DOWNTOWN EXCUSE. WE DON'T TYPICALLY RECOMMEND THAT OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. UM, BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO ENTERTAIN THAT AND THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS. OKAY. SO THEN I WOULD PUT THIS QUESTION OUT TO HER AS LITTLE TIME AS I HAVE SOME DIVIDED BETWEEN THE APPLICANT. AND, UM, I'M SORRY, FIRST NAME LORRAINE. WHO'S REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF THIS IS WORTHWHILE AND YOU GOTTA NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET THERE. UM, I GUESS TO THE APPLICANT FIRST FOR A QUICK RESPONSE, AND THEN TO THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. MICHAEL WHALEN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. UH, YES, WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO DOWNTOWN WITH A D MIXED USE WITH A TIGHT LIMITATION OF 90 FEET THAT WOULD GET US THE THREE ADDITIONAL FLOORS, WHICH IS HOW YOU DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. AND IT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME DOWN, UH, GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL THAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, SCHNEIDER AND COX HAVE A REFERENCE AND THEN CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, UM, UH, UH, DMU AT, AT 90 FEET IS, UH, UM, [03:00:01] UH, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER OTHER ISSUES AT PLAY HERE. IT'S, UH, UH, THE COMPATIBILITY WITH, WITH, UH, UH, SINGLE FAMILY IS NOT AN ISSUE HERE. IT'S THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE EXISTING, MODERATELY PRICED MULTIFAMILY RIGHT BEHIND IT. THIS, THIS PROJECT IS, IS SETTING UP TO FLOOD TO FLOOD THOSE EXISTING, UH, MODERATELY PRICED, HUNDREDS OF MOD, MODERATELY PRICED UNITS IN THE BARTON SPRINGS ZONE. UH, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, AND THE 80, THE 90 FEET IS RIDICULOUS. YOU CAN GET, YOU CAN GET, UM, UH, IF THEY, THE ADJACENT GOODWILL PROPERTY WHERE WE WERE EXPECTING TO GET A HUNDRED PERCENT, 100% OF THOSE UNITS WOULD BE AFFORDABLE. AND THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE ELIMINATED THAT. THEY TOLD US THAT THEY WAS GOING TO KEEP IT AS AN OFFICE BUILDING. SO NO, NO DMU AT 95 WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE. OKAY. I, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE CONCERN IS THE PRICING AND THE GENTRIFICATION THAT WOULD HAPPEN AROUND THE AREA. YEAH. AND THE EFFECT ON THE, ON THE, THE, UH, THE EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS MODERATELY PRICED HUNDREDS. AND THEN LOOK THAT UP ON YOUR GOOGLE MAPS, SEE WHAT'S AROUND YOU AND EVERYTHING, AND REFRESH THAT AREA SINCE I HADN'T TRAVELED DOWN THERE IN A WHILE. AND COVID, BUT, UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING ON THE GOODWILL YET. AND IF WE'RE CHANGING THE WHOLE DISCUSSION, IT, I GUESS WE COULD ASK THE APPLICANT, DOES THAT CHANGE THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THAT PROPERTY? THERE, THERE MAY BE A WORKABLE SOLUTION IN HERE THAT SATISFIES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THE COMPATIBILITY SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, UH, AT THE TIME, SORRY, IT TOOK SOME TWO YEARS. SO I GAVE YOU A LITTLE EXTRA, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER PRAXIS. I THINK YOU WERE AN EX. SURE. UM, YEAH, THAT COVERED A LOT OF WHAT, UM, WHAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE HELPFUL AND IT DOES SOUND LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE APPLICANT. AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE SORT OF COMING UP NOW. UM, ONE CONCERN THAT I HAD, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT IT SAYS IN AN EMAIL, UM, FROM A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT THERE ARE TWO DUPLEXES INCLUDED WITHIN THE ZONING REQUEST THAT CURRENTLY PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES, AND THAT THESE FAMILIES WOULD BE INVOLUNTARILY DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE? UM, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AND THEN THE APPLICANT, CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY STEPS YOU WOULD TAKE TO PREVENT THAT OR MITIGATE THOSE HARMS? UM, YES. UH, THE, UM, THERE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE, IN THE, UH, THE MAIN GOODWILL PROPERTY ALSO INCLUDES TWO, UH, OF THOSE, UH, FOURPLEX LOTS. AND THE CURRENT ZONING CASE INCLUDES ONE. SO WE'RE, WE ARE LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF, OF THREE, FOUR PLEXES THAT HAVE THE ZONING THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE A TOTAL OF 18 TOWNHOUSE, THREE STORY OR, OR TOWNHOUSE, UH, MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE THAN ANYTHING THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPER COULD BUILD, UH, UH, WITH . AND WE, WE CONSIDER THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD ELIMINATE ALL, ALL THREE OF THOSE LOTS AND ELIMINATE 18 MODERATELY PRICED, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, TOWNHOUSE UNITS THAT ARE, ARE VERY HIGHLY DESIRABLE IN THIS AREA. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. YEAH. YEAH. MICHAEL WHALEN, UH, JUST TO REMIND, YOU KNOW, THE UPROOTED REPORT CALLS FOR A QUOTE INCOME RESTRICTED, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS ALONG TRANSIT CORRIDORS AND QUOTE STRAIGHT OUT OF THE UPROOTED REPORT HERE. ONE, UH, FOURPLEX IS PART OF THE REZONING. AND AS I INDICATED ON MY COVER [03:05:01] LETTER, WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION TO DO A NUMBER OF STEPS. UH, ONE, UH, PROVIDE, UH, UH, PLENTY OF NOTICE, FULL RETURN OF A SECURITY DEPOSIT, RELOCATION ASSISTANCE, UH, MOVING EXPENSES, FIRST MONTH'S RENT AND RIGHT TO RETURN. UH, IF THEY QUALIFY FOR ONE OF THE AFFORDABLE, UH, UH, UNITS, SINCE WE'LL BE, UH, BASICALLY ON THE AREA THAT'S BEING REZONED, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE WILL BE, UH, YES, WE'RE PLACING THOSE FOUR, BUT CREATING 50, UH, AFFORDABLE UNITS, UH, AGAIN, MORE THAN DOUBLING WHAT IS POSSIBLE, UH, UNDER VMU. OKAY. AND AFFORDABLE AT WHAT LEVEL? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S AT, UH, THE, THE ZILKER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, UH, OPT IN WAS AT 60% MFI AND WE WOULD BE DOING THE SAME, BUT A COMMISSIONER IS OUR CHAIR AND MR. WAYLON, I'M JUST GOING TO START FOLLOW THROUGH ON, WHAT'S BEEN SAID. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A SIDE WHERE, HOW MUCH, MANY OF THE DUPLEXES OR THE FOURPLEXES EXISTED AND HOW MANY UNITS EXIST ON SITE TODAY, NOT DJS INSIGHTS, THE ONE FOR WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF RESULTS FOR FOUR UNITS, UH, OF WHICH THERE IS NO INCOME RESTRICTION, SO THAT IF THEY WERE REDEVELOPED WITHOUT THIS RESTRICTION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO IMPOSE ON THE ENTIRE, UH, AREA BEING REDEVELOPED, A BRAND NEW TOWNHOMES, UH, COULD BE BUILT. AND SO IF I'M HEARING JUST CLEARLY YOU WERE GOING FROM FOUR UNITS THAT ARE NOT AFFORDABLE TO INCOME RESTRICTION, THERE'S NO LEGAL MEANS DO REQUIRE THE AFFORDABILITY FROM THEM. WE'RE GOING TO DO 54 DOUBLE UNITS AT 60% MFI. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU PLEASE READ RATE THE, UM, THE PROJECTIONS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED TO THOSE, INTO THE HOUSEHOLDS LIVING IN THOSE FOUR UNITS? CAN YOU PLEASE REITERATE THOSE? I KNOW YOU JUST MENTIONED THOSE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE SAME ONES THAT WE'VE DONE OR THAT I PARTICIPATED IN DOING PREVIOUSLY. THERE'LL BE A, UH, UH, RENT RENTAL ASSISTANCE FOR PAYING ONE MONTH'S RENT AT ANY NEW LOCATION, MOVING EXPENSES. WE WOULD ALSO PROVIDE THEM FIRST NOTICE, UH, WHEN, UH, HOUSING IS AVAILABLE AND THE AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE AVAILABLE. AND IF THEY QUALIFY FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND ABILITY TO MOVE INTO A BRAND NEW INCOME, RESTRICTED, AFFORDABLE UNIT AT THE SITE AND PROVIDE THEM WITH FIRST MONTH'S RENT UPON THEIR RETURN, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD, UH, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD ASK, RIGHT. IF THEY SHOULD MOVE TO THE NEW, TO THE NEW A UNIT. AND I'M SORRY, I THINK IN ADDITION EARLIER, YOU HAD ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD WAIVE SORT OF CURRENT SECURITY DEPOSITS OR DEPOSITS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. EXCUSE ME. AND WE WOULD, UH, RETURN, UH, THEIR SECURITY DEPOSIT FOR THOSE FOUR UNITS WITHOUT WITHHOLDING ANY. THANKS. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF THAT. THANK YOU. UM, AND SO, I'M SORRY, ALSO, JUST DO I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING YOU HAD MENTIONED AGAIN, SO WERE, WHAT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS HOW MANY, AGAIN, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS FOR THE AREA BEING REZONED WOULD BE 500, WHICH WOULD, AND WE WOULD BE IMPOSING A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT MAKING 10% OF THOSE. SO 50 OF THEM WOULD BE INCOME RESTRICTED FOR A PERIOD OF 40 YEARS AT 60% MFI. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS WITHIN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA. IT IS WITHIN, IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. I THINK ONE THING I HEARD WAS, UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, AS THEIR NEIGHBOR TO PRESENT, YOU WERE SAYING, SO I THINK FROM THE NEIGHBORS PERSPECTIVE, IT IS INAPPROPRIATE TO BUILD NEW MULTIFAMILY HOUSING NEXT TO EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THAT? NO, THAT'S NOT IT AT ALL. UM, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, UH, THE VERY HIGH DENSITY, UH, AT THAT HEIGHT IS THAT CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUE, THAT BUILDING TYPE IS, UH, MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. AND, UH, IT WOULD, I'M SORRY, JUST TO FOLLOW UP, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE NEIGHBORING LOT, WHEREVER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING THAT IS BEING BUILT, HOW WE TALK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORING LOT AND ITS AFFORDABILITY HERE. THEY, THEY BRING [03:10:01] IN MUCH MORE, MUCH MORE, UM, UH, MANY MORE CARS, UH, AND, UH, AND THE ADJACENT HAVING VERY EXPENSIVE ADJACENT, UH, UH, UH, UH, PROPERTY INCREASES, UH, THE COSTS ON THE, ON THE, UH, EXISTING. UH, IT JUST, AGAIN, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE CAN NOT BUILD NEW MULTIFAMILY, WHICH WOULD, OF COURSE BE MORE EXPENSIVE THINGS IS DO MULTI-FAMILY NEXT TO ESSENTIALLY, ARE WE SAYING WE CAN NEVER BUILD NEW MULTI-FAMILY I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. I'M SAYING THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE ZONING IF THEY JUST PUT THE VMU OVERLAY ON THAT TRACK, NUMBER ONE. OKAY. DYING. SO WE THANK YOU, BUT I THINK YOU'RE JUST CONFUSING ME, BUT THANK YOU CHAIR. SO COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS, WE HAVE A FISHER CODE. UM, YEAH. SO MY FIRST QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE APPLICANT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. UM, THE 60% UNITS, UM, ARE, ARE SOME OF THESE UNITS GOING TO BE A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BEDROOM, WHAT ARE THE SIZE OF THE UNITS? AND, UM, WHO, HOW IS THAT? HOW, HOW IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME OVERSIGHT OR ENFORCEMENT OVER THE UNITS PROPOSED AND, AND CREATED, UH, MICHAEL WAY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT? WE HAVE NOT YET DESIGNED THE STRUCTURE PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING. AND, AND ALSO BECAUSE WE DON'T, UH, WE HAVEN'T CLOSED ON, UH, UH, SEVERAL OF THESE LOTS, UH, YET PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IN MS. SIX PROJECTS, WE DON'T HAVE YET THE PRECISE SIZE OF THE UNIT OR THE MIX OF UNITS THAT WILL EXIST. UM, ANY SORT OF, UH, ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PUT IN A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT AND WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED, UH, INDEPENDENTLY, UM, BY, UH, UH, THE THIRD PARTY, UH, ENTITY. THE ONE THAT HAS DONE IT BEFORE IS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY THROUGH THEIR, UH, INDEPENDENT, UH, COMPANY HOMEBASE. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE ENTITY THAT WE WOULD, UH, WORK WITH. SO, DO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S, THAT WILL BE A WILLINGNESS TO CREATE A MIX OF UNIT TYPES IN THE AFFORDABLE UNITS TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT, UH, UNIT SIZES FOR, UH, FOR FAMILIES OR, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE OPEN TO PUTTING INTO THE COVENANT? YES, WE ARE DEFINITELY OPEN TO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE FOLKS AT HOMEBASE. OKAY. AND THEN A SIMILAR QUESTION, I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, LEE CITY LEGAL IS YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME THAT I, I W WE CAN'T ENFORCE OR, OR, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF AMONGST THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FOR THESE, UM, AFFORDABLE UNITS, IF THE, IF ANY KIND OF, UH, COMMITMENT TO TENANT PROTECTIONS OR TENANT RIGHTS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN INCLUDED. UM, YES AND I HAVE IN, IN OTHER CASES, AND I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT AGAIN, UH, THERE IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR CODE MODIFICATION, SO THAT INSTEAD OF US HAVING TO LOOK TO THIRD PARTIES WHO ARE DOING THIS TO HAVE A NEW OVERLAY FOR THE CORRIDORS, THAT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE, UH, ADDITIONAL HEIGHT IN EXCHANGE FOR, UH, AFFORDABLE UNITS TO ACHIEVE THE CITY POLICIES, RATHER THAN HAVING TO DO IT THROUGH MSX. SO YOU WOULD STILL GET THE 90 FEET, BUT WE WOULD HAVE A CITY RUN PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES THAT TYPE OF OVERLAY. AND I'D BE HAPPY AT ANY TIME TO SHARE MY IDEAS WITH ANYBODY HERE, OR IF YOU PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA FOR A CODE, UH, COMMITTEE. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITHOUT A FULL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE. UNDERSTOOD. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I DO SEE THE NEED FOR SOME SORT OF SIMILAR POLICY. UM, AND THE LAST QUESTION I'LL ASK, THIS IS JUST AGAIN ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND IT MAYBE SPEAKS TO, UM, SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD EXPRESSED AROUND. UH, PSH. AND I WAS WONDERING ABOUT SORT OF, UH, SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE. AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS AS TO WHAT I CAN DO HERE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT FOR THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS. UM, THAT MICHAEL WAY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT THAT TOO [03:15:01] HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN, UH, PRIOR RESTRICTED COVENANTS THAT I'VE DONE WITH HOMEBASE, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO. YES, OF COURSE. OKAY. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS, UH, OFFICIALLY ON IS TOLEDO. I SAW YOUR HAND. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CLAIM JUST TO A MINUTE. UM, SO COULD I ASK THE APPLICANT JUST, UH, MR. WHALEN, IS THERE A REASON YOU ALL DIDN'T CONSIDER, AND I'M SORRY IF I MISSED THIS AND YOU ALREADY SAID IT, BUT THAT YOU ALL DIDN'T CONSIDER, UH, PROPOSING, EXTENDING THE BMU, UM, TO THIS, TO THE TRACK, TO THIS TRACK AND GOING THAT WAY TO, TO BUILD ALMOST AS MANY UNITS OR AS MANY, NOT EVEN AS MANY UNITS. YEAH. MICHAEL WAYLAND. UH, SO THAT'S A FALSE ASSUMPTION. WE, YOU GET THREE MORE FLOORS WHEN YOU DO THE . SO YOU ENDED UP DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS AND DOUBLING OVERALL ALMOST DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF UNITS. SO VMU IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL CLOSE ON, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S UNDER CONTRACT IT'S MSX THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT TO CLOSE BECAUSE IT ENDS UP PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF DENSITY, AND IT IS, I SAID EARLIER, IT PROVIDES A GREATER, UH, UH, BENEFIT TO A GREATER NUMBER OF PEOPLE, THEN THE OBJECTING PARTIES IN THIS CASE. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. UM, AND THEN IF I COULD JUST ASK, UM, MS. ATHERTON TO, UM, JUST EXPAND ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IN YOUR LAST COMMENT ABOUT WHAT, HOW YOU WERE SEEING THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN A WAY THAT MIGHT MITIGATE WHAT YOU WERE, THE COST INCREASE YOU WERE ANTICIPATING FOR THE EXISTING, MORE MARKET AFFORDABLE MULTI-FAMILY. UM, WELL, THE, UM, UH, THIS SITE, IT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AND THERE IS A, UM, UH, UH, UH, THERE'S A, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND A STREAM THAT RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THIS SITE AND THROUGH THE, UH, UH, THE BARTON MILL APARTMENTS. AND, UH, WHEN THE LAST TIME, UH, THIS AREA WAS REZONED IN 2013, UH, UH, THE NEIGHBORS GOT ASSURANCES FROM, UH, GOODWILL AND FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES THAT THEIR DRAINAGE AND THAT, UH, UH, STREAMS, UH, WOULD NOT BE, UH, UH, WOULD BE PROTECTED. AND THAT THE, UH, UH, THERE W UH, GREEN SPRAY SPACE AND TREES, UH, UH, WOULD BE PROTECTED, UM, UH, UH, AND THEIR, UM, UH, THEIR, THEIR TRACKS. THEY WOULD BE PROTECTED FROM TRAFFIC OVERFLOW FROM, FROM SOUTH LAMAR. AND WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO NEGOTIATE, UH, THE, UM, UH, PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND, AND STREETSCAPES THAT ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED ON DIXON DRIVE, SO THAT, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, UH, MULTIFAMILY, UH, RESIDENTS CAN ACCESS SOUTH LAMAR CAN ACCESS, UH, THE BUS ROUTES, UH, CAN ACCESS THE BUSINESSES, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON, ON THE SIDE STREETS, WHICH IS COMMON. AND, UH, UH, ALSO ASSURE THE, UH, THAT'S THE SOUTH LAMAR CORRIDOR PLAN IS, UM, UH, THAT HOWEVER THAT SPREE DEVELOPED THAT THEY DO GET, UH, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, UH, UH, STREETSCAPE ON SOUTH LAMAR, AS WELL AS DIXON. THEY GET TRAFFIC CONTROLS AT DIXON AND, UH, UH, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THE DRIVEWAYS AND TO PUT STREET TREES IN, UH, SORRY, MS. AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT, THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY ON, ON THE MAIN GOODWILL SITE THAT'S SHARED. AND, AND WE REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND NEGOTIATE THESE REAL COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT WOULD KEEP PREVENT THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY FROM BEING TRAPPED BEHIND [03:20:01] THIS WALL OF HIGH PRICED, UH, UH, TALL HIGH PRICE, UH, UH, APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR CONDO BUILDINGS. SO VMU WOULD ALLOW YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW, AND VMU IS THAT'S THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S ALREADY WRITTEN INTO VMU. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY Z AND A ALWAYS SUPPORTS VMU BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU GET YOUR COMMUNITY BENEFITS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. WE WE'RE OUT OF QUESTIONS. AND NOW, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE A MOTION FISHER IS OUR THANK YOU CHAIR WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS ALSO THE AFTERNOON, OUR REQUEST, SORRY. I HAD TO MEET THERE FOR SAY, I SAW A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY, BUT IT SPEAKS TO YOUR EMOTION COMMISSIONERS ARE THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I THINK, I, I THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE'VE HEARD SOME CONCERNS AND I THINK WE'VE ALSO HEARD SORT OF WAYS THAT THAT WILL BE MEDICATED. SO I THINK FIRST OF ALL, FOR ME, THAT'S ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. THE CRITICAL THING IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT READING THROUGH HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, INCLUDING INCOME RESTRICTED, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AT 60% MFI IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA, THAT'S SEVERELY LACKED SOME OF THOSE AFFORDABLE OPPORTUNITIES. THEY'VE ALSO CLEARLY HEARD THAT VME WOULD ACTUALLY NOT ALLOW TO CREATE THESE OPPORTUNITIES AND COULD POTENTIALLY GET THESE OPPORTUNITIES IN HALF. AND I WOULD REALLY BE AFRAID TO LOSE 25 AFFORDABLE CANCER, THAT INCOME LEVEL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AREA THAT IS CLOSE TO TRANSIT AND AREA THAT IS CLOSE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOOD OPTIONS AND OTHER OPTIONS THAT PEOPLE CAN USE HERE AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT PEOPLE NEED. WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT AN OPENING AREA THAT WOULD NOT CAUSE MASS DISPLACEMENT OF EXISTING TENANTS OR EXISTING OWNERS. SO WE'RE TRULY TALKING ABOUT CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN GENERAL, IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA THAT IS ON A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR IS, NEEDS OUR IMAGINE AUSTIN GOALS, AND ESSENTIALLY HELPS US MOVE CLOSER TO OUR OVERALL HOUSING GOALS AS SET OUT IN THE AUSTRIAN STRATEGIC, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR HOUSING PLAN. THAT IS WHY I'M MAKING THIS NOTE, UH, SHATTER ON RECOGNIZING IT ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. OH, YES. GO AHEAD. THANKS. UM, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS CASE REALLY ISN'T RIPE YET AND IT'S BEING MOVED FORWARD TOO QUICKLY, UNLIKE THE BURNETT CASE, WHICH IS SIMILAR IN A LOT OF WAYS. UM, THERE HAD BEEN CLEARLY A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND COMPROMISE ENDED UP. I THINK THAT THAT HAS HAPPENED HERE. UM, YOU'VE HEARD ME RANT ABOUT DEGRADING WALKABILITY, WHICH IS A PROBLEM, NOT ONLY FOR THE NEIGHBORS, BUT IT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE NEW RESIDENTS WHO COME HERE. I THINK THE NEIGHBORS HAVE OTHER CONCERNS AS WELL. IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE ZONE. SO WHAT I'VE TRAFFIC? ONE THING THAT I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE 50% INCREASE TO ANY BUILDING NEARBY IN HEIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BIT AWAY FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, BUT IT IS RIGHT ON LAMAR LED ACROSS THE STREET OR 60 FOOT BUILDINGS. IN FACT, IT'S MILES BEFORE YOU HAVE TO GET DOWN TO THE OFFICE, BUILDING AT THE SCHLOTZSKY'S PUD OR THE PINNACLE AT THE WYATT OAK HILL, BEFORE YOU GET ANYTHING NEAR THIS SIDE. SO IF THIS IS TO MOVE FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT THAT LIKE THE BURNETT CASE WE LIMIT OVERALL HEIGHT TO 75 FEET. I THINK THAT GETS US TO ABOUT THE SAME LEVEL, MORE OR LESS, IF WE HAD MORE TIME, WE COULD WORK OUT THE DETAILS VISIBILITY FROM OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND SO FORTH. CAN'T HEAR YOU. SO, UM, WOULD THAT BE, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, MOTION MAKERS ON, ARE YOU MAKING THAT AS A AMENDMENT OR A SUBSTITUTE MR. SNYDER? AND I'D LIKE TO OFFER THAT AS AN AMENDMENT. OKAY. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER, HIS HONOR, UM, [03:25:01] CHAIR, I'M OPEN TO EITHER LIMITING IT TO 85 FEET OR GAPPING OR NOT HAVING A HEIGHT LIMITATION IN GAPPING THE UNITS AT 500. OKAY. UH, SO I DON'T THINK THAT MY MOTION WAS FOR 75 FEET AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ISSUE. YEAH. SO WE NEED S SO 75 FEET, YOU'RE MAKING THAT AS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AT THIS POINT. IS THAT RIGHT? CAN I NOT PUT A LIMITATION ON MF SIX THAT'S, 75 FEET? NO, I I'D SAY YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. WITH THE CAP AT 75 FEET. YES, YOU CAN'T. SO THAT'S, LET'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. DO YOU HAVE A, DID ANYBODY HAVE A SECOND? THE WAS LIMITED TO 75 FEET. I'M GOING TO GO AT SECOND THAT MOTION. UH, SO GO AND SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER. UM, SNYDER. OKAY. SURE. UM, SO I THINK I, I WON'T BE TOO LONG. UM, I BELIEVE REALLY THEY SHOULD GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT MAY INCLUDE THIS ADDITIONAL GOODWILL SITE, BUT LOOK AT VMU FOR THE WHOLE SITE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SKETCHED IT OUT. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THAT. LET'S JUST PUT THAT ASIDE. IF WE GO WITH A , UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF MADE, WE ARE AT 50% HIGHER THAN ANYTHING ANYWHERE NEARBY. AND, UH, I DON'T QUITE APPRECIATE WHY STAFF ENDED UP AT THAT LEVEL, BUT JUST LIKE THE CONCERNS THAT THERE WERE ON BURNETT ROAD. I THINK THEY'RE SIMILAR HERE. UH, AND I THINK 75 FEET IS THAT'S SUCH, THAT'S 20% MORE HEIGHT THAN ANYTHING NEARBY, AND IT STILL GETS THEM MSX DENSITY WITH THAT LIMIT. BUT A FAMILY CAME HOME. IT'S GOT A LITTLE LOUDER. I'M TRYING TO BE, UH, SENSITIVE. UH, SO DO I HAVE, UH, SPEAKING AGAINST THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION COMMISSIONER, MUCH TALLER? UH, I SAW YOUR HAND FIRST. SORRY. I THINK GRAYSON MIGHT'VE GOTTEN IT BEFORE ME, BUT THAT'S, I'M SORRY. I COULDN'T TELL WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT HE DID HAVE IT STAND UP. OH, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO STAY ON THIS SIDE AGAINST FOR ALL THE REASONS. SO, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT COMMISSIONERS ARE SAID ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE HERE. AND THEN I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME MORE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THIS. SO I WOULD RATHER VOTE AGAINST AND GIVE, UM, THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECONSIDER THE ZONING. MY WORDS TO THE APPLICANT ARE WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INVOLVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR BUY-IN AND ACCESSIBILITY. AND YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT COME UP IN THEIR DISCUSSION, BUT I I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT AWAY BECAUSE I THINK THE APPLICANTS GOING TO COME BACK AROUND AND I THINK WE'LL GET THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE OUT OF IT. I THINK WE'LL GET THE UNITS WE'D LIKE TO SEE OUT OF IT. AND I THINK WE MIGHT EVEN GET THE COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR, REALLY, ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. THIS IS ALL PART OF THAT PLAN. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT'S WILLING. SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK BY DENYING IT TONIGHT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK AROUND WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER AFTER THE DISCUSSION. THAT'S THAT'S MY HOPE. OKAY. I DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING COFFEE, JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT WAS SORRY, I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, BUT THAT WAS A COMMENT IN FAVOR OF SUBSTITUTE. NO, I CAN'T. I'M AGAINST ALL MOTIONS FOR TONIGHT. I I'M. THIS IS AGAINST ALL OF THEM. I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER AND MAY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT WE REALIZED EVEN MORE. OKAY. SO ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UH, DO YOU WANT A QUESTION ON THE MOTION MAKER OR, WELL, ANYONE WHO KNOWS? SO, SO I'M UNDECIDED ABOUT THIS AND I WAS ACTUALLY HOPING TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO POSTPONE THERE FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT EVERYONE WITH PAYING TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT, TO COME BACK WITH SOME CREATIVE IDEAS AND ALSO TO DO WHAT I FEEL LIKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DUE DILIGENCE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND ACT ON THE, UH, THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE NOW. UH, AND MONDAY THROUGH ITS COURSE. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND [03:30:01] SPEAK IN FAVOR. AND THIS IS WHY, UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TWO THINGS, SOMEWHAT LIMITATIONS ON HEIGHT, AND THEY REALLY WANTED BMU. IT'S PART OF WHAT THEY'RE, UH, WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ADOPTED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY FELT PASSIONATE ABOUT AND THEY REALLY WANT THAT MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT FOR THIS BLOCK. AND, UH, ALTHOUGH, UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED, THE WHOLE THING ABOUT GOODWILL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HARDER THING TO DO. IT'S A SEPARATE CASE, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, YOU KNOW, REALLY PUT UPON THE APPLICANT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LOTS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE OPTIONS FOR A ZONING IT'S MIXED USE AND GIVES THE APPLICANT THE HEIGHT THEY NEED, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE ONLY ONE, THE APPLICANT'S RIDE I THINK IS DMU, WHICH IS REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE FOR LAMAR. SO WE ARE, I'M GOING TO ECHO SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID THAT ARE WITH US, UH, YOU KNOW, NO LONGER WITH US. WE REALLY NEED A NEW LAND CODE THAT GIVES US MORE CHOICES. WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TOOL IN THE TOOLKIT TO GET US WHAT I THINK WE ALL WOULD AGREE TO HERE TONIGHT. SO THE ONE THING I'M ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME THE DEVELOPMENT AND YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, 90 FOOT HIGH, UM, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE TALL FOR THIS CORRIDOR AND I THINK 75 IS A GOOD PLACE. WE JUST SAW AN AGREEMENT ON A SIMILAR CORRIDOR. UH, SO I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS AS KIND OF A MIDDLE GROUND. UM, ANYWAY, THANK YOU. CAN WE RESTATE THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? SO WE UNDERSTAND CLEARLY THEN WE'LL PREPARE. SORRY. CAUSE MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD. GO AHEAD. IT'S A, WITH A HEIGHT LIMITATION OF 75 FEET OVERALL HEIGHT LIMITATION OF 75 FEET. OKAY. SO THAT'S UH, DO WE HAVE THOSE SPEAKING AGAINST, UH, COMMISSIONER CONLEY? I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP. YES. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION BECAUSE I'M REALLY, I'M HEARING MIXED MESSAGES. I'M NOT, I'M NOT HEARING ANY KIND OF A CONSISTENT ARGUMENT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR WALKABILITY DESIRE TO CREATE WALKABILITY. WELL, IF WHAT WE WANT IS WALKABILITY, THEN I DON'T SEE HOW A HEIGHT RESTRICTION GETS US ANY CLOSER TO THE KIND OF WALKABILITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO THEN, THEN THE ISSUE, IT WAS HEIGHT, THEN LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BUT IF THE ISSUE IS WALKABILITY, THE CURRENT LOT IS A STRIP MALL FACING A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION. AND I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE. I'M USED TO BUY FOOD FOR MY DOG AT A PET SHOP STORE, BUT IT'S NOT A VERY WALKABLE AREA RIGHT NOW. YES. THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT IS WALKABLE, BUT THE ACTUAL AREA IS ACTUALLY AN AREA THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS FOR PEDESTRIANS AT THE MOMENT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CARS. IT'S THE ENTIRE THING IS DESIGNED FOR CARS. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A LOW, IT'S A BUSY STRIP MALL, GIANT PARKING LOT CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE FREE WAY AT, AT HIGH SPEEDS. SO IF WE DO WANT TO THINK ABOUT RE-IMAGINING THIS AS SOMETHING, UH, WALKABLE, THEN THAT'S KIND OF SOME NEW CONVERSATION THAT MAY INVOLVE REDUCING PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT WE STRUCTURE THIS THING IN A MORE RADICAL, COMPREHENSIVE WAY, I THINK, BUT THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE IT GETTING US ANY CLOSER WALKABILITY. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO POSTPONING THE CASE, BUT I LIKE TO POSTPONE CASES WHEN I HAVE SOME EVIDENCE THAT SOMETHING, UM, BETTER CAN COME AS, UH, AS COMMISSIONER SHAW MENTIONED, WE JUST DON'T HAVE TOOLS FOR IT. SO I DON'T SEE, WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IN TWO WEEKS, UM, FROM THE TOOLKIT THAT WE HAVE TODAY, UM, UNLESS WE'RE GONNA SORT OF PASS A BUNCH OF NEW CODE AMENDMENTS IN, IN THAT INTERIM. I DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THAT'S GOING TO RADICALLY CHANGE OUR SITUATION. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER SPEAKING FOR A SPEAKING AGAINST A COMMISSIONER? IS, ARE, THANK YOU CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY TWO THINGS. I THINK ONE, WE HAVE TO CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS CASE AND THE CASE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ON BURNETT BURNETT. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE HEIGHT LIMITATION AND THE NEED FOR COMPATIBILITY AND, YOU KNOW, ELONGATING THE 40 FEET AND SO ON AND SO FORTH HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SITE THAT IS ADJACENT EVERYWHERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO REZONE THE MFCS WILL BE ADJACENT TO EXISTING MULTIFAMILY. SO THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS CASE AND THAT CASE. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIMITING HEIGHT HERE, WE'RE PROTECTING, [03:35:01] I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE PROTECTING FIRST OF ALL. AND BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY DESERVE COMPATIBILITY OR WE'LL HAVE ISSUE IN REGARDLESS WHERE THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THERE WILL BE COMPATIBILITY. THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS, THAT IS WHAT TAPPING THE HEIGHT WILL TRULY DO, IS IT WILL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. I THINK WE'VE CLEARLY HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT THAT LIMITING THE HEIGHT TO 70 FEET OR OTHERWISE WILL TAKE AWAY THEIR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THOSE 50 AFFORDABLE UNITS. SO WHAT THIS MOTION ACTUALLY DOES IS IT ONLY DECREASES THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA ON A TRANSIT CORRIDOR WHERE WE NOT DISPLACING A LARGE AMOUNT OF EXISTING TENANTS. SO I REALLY QUESTIONED WHY WE WOULD GO WITH THIS UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN GENERAL, IN AN AREA THAT COULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM THEM. THANK YOU. UH, SO LET'S GO AHEAD. AND, UH, THIS IS SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UM, BY MR. SNYDER, SECONDED BY SARAH SAW FOUR AND A SIX WITH A HEIGHT LIMITATION OF 75 FEET. UH, LET'S GO AND VOTE ON THAT ITEM. UH, THOSE IN FAVOR. LET ME GET THE FAVOR FIRST. SORRY, GUYS. ONE AT A TIME, A GREEN ONE, TWO, UH, THOSE AGAINST, LET ME SEE YOUR CARDS OR YOUR ITEMS. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, TWO SIX. AND NOZICK A NEUTRAL OR STAINING TWO SIX, TWO. ALRIGHT. THAT MOTION FAILS. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE BACK TO THE, UM, WE'RE BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HUIZAR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CALMLY, UH, WHICH WAS FOR THE, UH, MS. SIX STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO I THINK WE HAD COMMISSIONER ZAHRA. DID YOU SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? I BELIEVE SO. SO THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT OFF. SO JUST, UH, COMMISSIONER COPS, DID YOU HAVE, GO AHEAD. I'M RECOGNIZING YOU. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK AGAIN, BUT GO AHEAD. NO, NO, GO AHEAD. IT'S YOUR TURN THEN IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK YOU GOOD? OKAY. UM, YEAH, I, I MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, OUT OF TURN. UM, I WAS HOPING TO POSTPONE THIS CASE CAUSE I DIDN'T, I DON'T WANT TO VOTE AGAIN, MORE HOUSING AND MORE PHOTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON SOUTH LAMAR. I THINK IT'S THE PERFECT PLACE TO BE MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND ESPECIALLY MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS. BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER SNYDER SAID IN THAT THIS JUST SEEMS A BIT HALF-BAKED, UM, TO JUST LAP UP, JUST TO COMBINE ALL OF THESE LOTS INTO ONE BIG FAT , UM, W IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S VERY CONSIDERATE IN ITS, IN ITS THINKING, UM, IN TERMS OF ITS CONTEXT AND HOW WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE BENEFITS, THIS AREA, WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD AREA TO MAXIMIZE BENEFIT IN. UM, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS MF BOUNDARY AROUND IT. AND WHILE THAT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, CORRECT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO ACTUALLY LOOK ON AN AERIAL OF WHERE THIS LOT IS, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RELATIVELY SMALL, UH, I BELIEVE RELATIVELY AFFORDABLE DUPLEX HOUSING, THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS MORE LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING THAN IT DOES MULTI-CENTER HOUSING. SO I, I JUST, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT. I WISH I DIDN'T, UH, HAVE TO, BUT I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE IF IT DOESN'T PASS, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH SOME CREATIVE IDEAS AS COMMISSIONER CALLIE SAID, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT TOOLS ARE AVAILABLE TO US, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW THE CODE, LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND. AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND CREATIVE WAYS TO MAXIMIZE THE BENEFIT ON THIS, ON THIS IMPORTANT LAW. I THINK HE, UH, THOSE SPEAKING IN FAVOR, UH, COMMISSIONER CONLEY, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND, AND HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WALKING, DRIVING AROUND THERE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE, THAT ARE MORE THAN FOUR STORIES TALL, UM, IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THE LOTS. AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE, ALTHOUGH HARDLY HARDLY, IF YOU WERE TO ACTUALLY LOOK FOR A PLACE TO RENT THERE, THEY'RE NOT ALL THAT AFFORDABLE ANYMORE. THEY'RE VERY OLD, BUT NOT THAT AFFORDABLE. UM, AND SO THE, THE KEY DIFFERENCE HERE IS WE'RE GETTING INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA. UM, WOULD I BE WILLING TO POSTPONE THIS ONLY IF I WERE CONVINCED THAT SOME KIND OF TOOL COULD BE USED TO GET US A BETTER OUTCOME, BUT AM I GOING TO KILL AN OPPORTUNITY [03:40:01] TO CREATE INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS IN THIS PART OF TOWN? NOT LIKELY. THANK YOU. RIGHT. THEY'RE SPEAKING AGAINST I FINISHED THE HONEST POLITO. SURE. UM, SO I FEEL SOMEWHAT AMBIVALENT FOR THE REASONS OTHERS HAVE STATED, BUT IN THIS CASE, UM, I I'M PARTICULARLY, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER COX HAS SAID. I THINK THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT AREA. ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER ALSO OWNS THE GOODWILL PROPERTY. I THINK, UM, IT MAKES SENSE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AND HOW WE CAN BEST INTEGRATE THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT. UM, AND I JUST DON'T, I DO THINK THE TOOLS EXIST. I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN USED. I THINK THAT THIS IS I WOULD SUPPORT THIS IF MY GOAL WAS JUST TO MAXIMIZE THE BEST USE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND GET THE MOST AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WE CAN GET IN THE PROCESS. BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED, UM, INCLUDING IN TERMS OF THOSE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND JUST THE, THE OTHER NEEDS FOR THE WHOLE AREA, FOR IT TO HAVE A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE AND MAXIMIZE, UH, WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED THERE. SO, UM, I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST, AND I DO HOPE, UM, WE SEE ANOTHER PROPOSAL WITH A LITTLE MORE, UH, ROBUST PLANNING. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER IS MUDDY FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. SO, I MEAN, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO NEED A BETTER TOOLKIT AND WE COULD BUILD SOMETHING BETTER IF WE HAD A BETTER TOOLKIT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT IN TWO WEEKS AS COMMISSIONER CONLEY SAID, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF BETTER TOOLS, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER DETENTION HERE THAN CURRENTLY EXISTS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD OUT TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR, SIDEWALKS STANDARDS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE STREET TREES AND BENCHES AND, AND AREAS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD OUT, YOU KNOW, ON THE SIDE STREET, ON DICKINSON, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IT'S, IT'S THE, THE SUB CHAPTER DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD OUT. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD SIDEWALKS ON DICKINSON TO LET ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN THOSE APARTMENTS, THERE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS NEW SIDEWALK ON LAMAR. UM, SO IT IS GOING TO ENHANCE, YOU KNOW, WALKABILITY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE 50 UNITS IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA. UM, AND TO BE AFRAID OF AN EXTRA 15 FEET OF HEIGHT FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PROMISED AFFORDABILITY, I MIGHT HAVE TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. UH, ONE MORE SLIDE FOR THOSE SPEAKING AGAINST, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT. AND HERE'S WHERE I'M KIND OF, UM, SO WHY WE VOTING AGAINST IS I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COX AND OTHERS. WELL, I HAVE NOT SEEN, AND I THINK THIS REALLY DESERVES IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ASKING FOR SOME RENDERINGS. UH, I MEAN, I REALLY THINK THAT WOULD AID AT US IN SEEING WHAT THIS WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE, BUT ALSO REALLY SHOW US SERIOUSLY IF WE CONVERTED THIS ALL TO A HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL, UH, VMU PROPERTY. YEAH. IT MIGHT'VE ONLY GOTTEN TO 60 FEET, BUT WHAT, WHAT WE, WHAT WOULD WE HAVE REALIZED? I JUST DON'T THINK WE SAW THAT. AND I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, THE DEVELOPER COULD HAVE PUT MORE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US, IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO KIND OF EXPLORE. AND WE JUST DIDN'T SEE ALL THOSE OPTIONS. I, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD 60 FEET, IF IT WAS ALL A HIGHER DENSITY, ZONING, HOW MANY UNITS AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THE BENEFITS HAVE BEEN, UH, HOW MANY UNITS WOULD WE HAVE LOST? AND SO I JUST, I WANT A LITTLE MORE WORK HERE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE OPTIONS. SO I'M HOPING THAT'S WHAT THIS, UH, IF THIS DOESN'T GET PAST WHAT THIS INCENTIVIZES THE DEVELOPER TO GO DO, UH, SO I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS ITEM IN HOPES THAT THAT HAPPENS, UH, WITH THAT, THAT CLOSES OUT OUR DEBATE. AND WE GO AHEAD AND NEED TO, UH, VOTE ON THIS, WHICH IS, UM, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CONLEY. IT'S FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, A RECOMMENDATION MF SIX. AND SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. LET ME LOOK AT THE GREENS FIRST. UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, WE HAVE FOUR IN FAVOR AND THOSE VOTING AGAINST, UH, SHOW ME YOUR RED. THAT'S SIX AGAINST FOUR, SIX. THAT MOTION FAILS. SO, UM, DO I HAVE OTHER MOTIONS THAT IT, UH, COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN AT THIS TIME? [03:45:01] OKAY. IT, IT, IF SOMETHING FAILED THE ZONING RECOMMENDATION OR ARE WE ABLE TO PUT ON IT OR DID THAT, AND THE ITEM? GOOD QUESTION. OKAY. IT GOES FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. SO THIS WILL GO FORWARD TO COUNCIL IT WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU GUYS HEARD THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WE'RE DONE ON THIS ONE. OKAY. SO MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT, WE ARE DONE, UM, LET'S SOMEBODY TELLS ME I'M MISTAKEN. I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH, WE HAVE 10 MINUTES TO FINISH OUR AGENDA. UM, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO EXTEND, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND TIME? UM, I THINK IT WON'T TAKE LONG COMMISSIONER COX. HOW LONG, UH, SORRY. I MOTION THAT WE EXTEND TO 10 15. UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION A SECOND BY JADA'S PLUTO? UH, LET'S GO AND VOTE ON THAT EXTENSION. 10, 15. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW ANIMOUS, UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION. UH, I AM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, CAN I HAVE THE, UH, UH, WHO'S MAKING THEIR PRESENTATION AS AN AARON JENKINS FROM STAFF? WE HAVE A CHAIR CAROL FROM THE DESIGN COMMISSION. OKAY. HOW MANY MINUTES DO YOU NEED FOR YOUR PRESENTATION? YOU'LL SELECT STAR SIX. HI, THIS IS DAVID. UM, PROBABLY 10, 10 MINUTES. OKAY. UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UM, GET THE PRESENTATION WHEN I'M FEARFUL THAT WE PROBABLY MIGHT NOT HAVE TIME FOR Q AND A. I'M LOOKING AT THE COMMIT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. UH, LET'S GO OUT AND HEAR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. UM, I'M DAVID CARROLL, I'M CHAIR OF THE DESIGN COMMISSION, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT. AND IN THAT CAPACITY, UM, TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THE UPDATE TO THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, HOPEFULLY THE, UH, PLAN DOCUMENT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO YOU ALL TO REVIEW AHEAD OF TIME. UH, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A VERY SHORT SLIDE PRESENTATION. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BROUGHT UP YET. UM, YES, IT IS. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FIRST PAGE, THE COVER PAGE. GREAT. UH, AND SO, [C1. Urban Design Guidelines for the City of Austin] SO WE'RE, THE DESIGN COMMISSION IS PROPOSING TO DO AN UPDATED THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINE, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW, AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR SUPPORT FOR IS JUST THE PLAN TO DO THE UPDATE. IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL UPDATED GUIDELINES THEMSELVES. SO IF YOU COULD GO TO SLIDE TWO, PLEASE. SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND, AND BECAUSE WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEIR MONDAYS, I GOT LINES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND THE DAVE AND EXISTS. UM, BUT THEY ARE SET OF DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE FOR THE STREETSCAPES SITE DESIGN AND OPEN SPACE INTENDED TO PROVOKE DESIGN EXCELLENCE AND REFLECT OFTEN SHARED VALUES AND, UH, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES. IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE PARTICIPATING IN THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM? AND SO THE DESIGN COMMISSION REVIEWS ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS, UM, FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, SLIDE THREE, PLEASE. THE, THE HISTORY OF THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, TIES INTO TO WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR AN UPDATE SO THAT THEY'RE ORIGINALLY CREATED AT THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN GUIDELINES IN 2000. UM, THEN AS THE URBAN CORE STARTED TO GROW IN 2008, THEY RENAMED THEM TO THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES. HOWEVER, UM, THEY ESSENTIALLY JUST RENAMED THEM IN NAME ONLY, AND THE GUIDELINES THEMSELVES WEREN'T UPDATED TO REFLECT THE URBAN CORE AS A WHOLE AND, AND STILL REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON THE CBD. AND SO NOW WE'RE THERE OVER 20 YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT, AND NOW WE FEEL LIKE IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO AN UPDATE TO THESE GUIDELINES. SLIDE FOUR, PLEASE. AND SO BRIEFLY, HOW ARE THE GUIDELINES USED? SO [03:50:01] THEY'RE RESOURCE, UM, FOR APPLICANTS, FOR PLANNING PROFESSIONALS AND DESIGN TEAMS. AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO USED OF COURSE BY THE DESIGN COMMISSION AND BY THE CITY STAFF WHEN THEY REVIEW THE PROJECTS, UM, AS WELL, UM, THERE A DOCUMENT THAT ALSO HELPS BRING CLARITY AND PREDICTABILITY TO THE PROJECT DESIGN AND THEREFORE INTO THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM ITSELF. UM, AND THEY SERVE TO SET EXPECTATIONS OF QUALITY DESIGN, UM, AND PLACEMAKING IN THE CITY, UH, SLIDE FIVE, PLEASE. AND SO GET TO THE HEART OF IT. WHY DO WE FEEL LIKE THAT THE DESIGN COMMISSION FEELS LIKE AN UPDATE IS NEEDED AT THIS TIME? THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS. UM, ONE AS THE URBAN CORE HAS GROWN AND AS WELL, WE'RE SEEING THESE REGIONAL CENTERS POP UP IN OTHER AREAS OF TOWN OUTSIDE THE CBD. UM, WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THESE GUIDELINES MORE APPLICABLE TO OTHER PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THE CBD. UM, AND YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, I GUESS THAT'LL BE UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE IF THESE GUIDELINES ARE USED IN OTHER CAPACITIES, BUT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD INTO THESE. UM, ALSO AGAIN, THESE ARE 20 YEARS OLD AND OVER LAST 20 YEARS, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED ANY PLANS AND INITIATIVES. AND, AND SO THE, THESE GUIDELINES DON'T ALIGN. I MEAN, WITH ALL OF THESE POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. SO PART OF THIS UPDATE WOULD BE TO BETTER BRING THESE IN ALIGN WITH THOSE GOALS AND POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS ALSO TO ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL AND CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUES, RESILIENCY ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW, THE CITY, UM, I SENT IN A SIMPLE ONE IS JUST TO MAKE THE DOCUMENT MORE USER FRIENDLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN AND HEARD COMMENTS FROM APPLICANTS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT MORE GRAPHIC AND, AND CHANGING THE FORMAT AND EVEN JUST TO MAKE IT MORE USABLE. AND THEN ALSO A BIG ONE. UM, NOW OVER 10 YEARS AGO, CITY COUNCIL WE'LL ASK THE DESIGN COMMISSION TO CREATE INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND THAT WAS NEVER DONE. IT WAS, IT WAS ATTEMPTED AND SORT OF DROPPED SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS. AND SO WE FEEL THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE THE INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN GUIDELINES AS PART OF THIS LARGER DOCUMENT, SLIDE SIX, PLEASE. AND SO HOW WE PROPOSE IT AGAIN, THE PLAN, THE LARGER DOCUMENT, UM, THOSE DISTRIBUTED, YOU KNOW, LAYS THIS OUT, UM, A LITTLE BETTER, BUT, UM, THE PROPOSAL IS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS IN THREE PHASES, UM, UH, PREPARATION PHASE THAT WOULD INCLUDE CREATING A, A STEERING COMMITTEE, UM, AND THEN ALSO CREATING A WORKING GROUPS AND THEIR WORKING GROUPS WOULD BE BASED AROUND THE, UM, SUBJECT MATTER OF EACH OF THE GOALS THAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE. AND THOSE WORKING GROUPS WOULD CONSIST OF RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING OF DESIGN COMMISSIONERS, UH, CITY STAFF, UH, IN VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. AND, AND THEN ALSO, UM, COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, WE WOULD WANT, UM, THE COMMUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN, IN THIS PROCESS FROM THE BEGINNING, UM, INCLUDING APPLICANTS AND DESIGN PROFESSIONALS THAT, THAT USE THE, THESE GUIDELINES EVERY DAY. UM, THE CREATION PHASE IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE REAL WORK WOULD GET DONE THE SECOND PHASE. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY CREATE, UH, CREATE SOME DRAFT GUIDELINES I WOULD TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, GET FEEDBACK AND ACTUALLY TEST THESE GUIDELINES, UM, WITH REAL-WORLD SITES. AND THEN PHASE THREE WOULD BE KIND OF ROUNDING OUT THE, THE GRAPHIC DESIGN OF THE DOCUMENT, CREATING A USABLE WEBSITE, UM, AND THEN, UH, GOING THROUGH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR ULTIMATELY GO ON TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. UM, SO THAT'S A REAL QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE ASK OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH RIGHT NOW. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR, UH, MAKING THAT. AND SO I THINK WE DO, UM, IT'S ALMOST 10, WE'VE EXTENDED TILL 10, 15. I THINK WE COULD USE THIS TIME FOR Q AND A, IF IT'S, UH, OR, UH, I'M GOING TO GIVE US, YOU GUYS AGREE, LET'S GO [03:55:01] AND GET WITH QUESTIONS AND ANSWER. OKAY. UH, WHO HAS FIRST QUESTION? OH, SO LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING HERE, AS FAR AS THE, UM, UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. SO THIS, UH, THIS IS ALL ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION WAS ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT THE COMMISSION PLANS ON USING TO COME UP WITH NEW, UH, GUIDELINES, UM, FOR US THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT LATER AND WE COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, FORM A WORKING GROUP ON, UH, SO ANYWAY, YOUR QUESTIONS SHOULD BE GEARED TOWARD THE PLAN AS PRESENTED FOR HOW THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND ENGAGING WITH THE PUBLIC TO MAKE THESE CHANGES. ANYWAY, COMMISSIONER COX, GO AHEAD. UH, MORE OF JUST A PROCESS QUESTION. SO THE WORKING GROUP THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE UP IN D ONE, UM, IS THAT PART OF THE WORKING GROUP STRUCTURE THAT WAS PRESENTED OR IS THAT NO, UH, THAT IS NOT, IT, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE FORMED TO REVIEW THEIR PLAN FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND HOW THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR CHANGES. UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WE NEED A WORKING GROUP, SO THAT'S THE NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM WE WANT TO SAVE TIME FOR? DO WE WANT TO FORM A WORKING GROUP OR NOT? DO WE NEED TO, UM, SO, UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME ABOUT THE PLAN AS PRESENTED, UH, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE CAN USE THAT TIME FOR THAT COMMISSIONER MITCH TODDLER. OKAY. SO HIT ME AGAIN. THE AGGIE VERSION WILL GO TWICE. UM, SO THIS IS AN OLD STUFF IT'S ANTIQUATED. AND IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, IT'S ONLY APPLYING TO A CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? AND SO, SO IF THAT, IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY, THEN THE IDEA IS WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A PLAN THAT MAKES SENSE ACROSS THE CITY. YEAH. SO CURRENTLY THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE ONLY APPLICABLE TO PROJECTS DOWNTOWN USING THE DENSITY BONUS PROJECT PROGRAM. SO OUR, OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO, AND THAT, AND THEY'RE ONLY GEARED TOWARDS THAT, BUT OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO MAKE THEM MORE APPLICABLE. SO THEN THERE IS OPPORTUNITY IF COUNCIL SEATS FIT TO APPLY THEM, THEM IN OTHER AREAS OF TOWN, BUT AT THIS TIME WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY MAKING, WE WANT TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. UM, WE'RE JUST FOCUSED ON CRAFTING THE GUIDELINES. OKAY. AND THEN THE, UM, UH, IF YOU CAN HIT ME AGAIN WITH THE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK TO UPDATE ON, WHAT'S IN SOME OF THAT, I THINK THIS IS GREAT. I'M SO GLAD TO HEAR IT. UM, I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY IT'S A, IT'S AN OVERHAUL OF THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT. UM, RIGHT NOW MEDICAL LAND. I DON'T KNOW ANY OF IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THESE DOCUMENTS AT ALL, SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME. I APOLOGIZE. UH, WELL, SO BASICALLY THERE, IT'S DIVIDED UP INTO SECTIONS. UM, AND ONE IS LIKE BUILDING ONE, A STREETSCAPE, ONE IS OPEN SPACE AND, AND EACH SECTION PROVIDES DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT ARE VERY BROAD, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE BROAD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT TALK MORE ABOUT GOALS THAT THEN ALLOW APPLICANTS AND PROJECTS TO BE CREATIVE IN HOW THEY ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. UM, AND, AND SO PART, PART OF WHAT WE SAID IS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, OUR GOALS IN AUSTIN HAVE CHANGED A BIT. AND SO PART OF THE UPDATE IS TO HELP, HELP SORT OF REALIGN THIS DOCUMENT WITH OUR CURRENT GOALS. UM, SO IT WOULD BE THE, OUR ENVISION IS IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR DOCUMENT. IT WOULD STILL HAVE HIGH-LEVEL RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SOME OF THE EXISTING RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD PROBABLY ACTUALLY REMAIN EXACTLY THE SAME. SOME MAYBE ARE REMOVED AND SOME NEW ONES ARE ADDED. UM, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE WORK THAT WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, AS FAR AS WELL, IDEAS THAT THAT WOULD GIVE, UH, AN EXPANDED OR A TOOL FOR EXPANDING THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT INTO THE OUTLYING AREAS THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT AND WAYS TO DO IT THOUGHTFULLY, TO MAYBE CAPTURE, TO CAPTURE SOME OPPORTUNITIES ALONG CORRIDORS THAT OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S, THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE EVEN TALKED ABOUT, WELL, MAYBE COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO APPLY THESE TO PUG OR RTO DS, OR, UH, WHO KNOWS. UM, BUT, BUT HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR THEM AS ANOTHER TOOL, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, WITH QUESTIONS, AND REMEMBER WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PLAN [04:00:01] HOW THEY WILL GO ABOUT MAKING THESE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE GUIDELINES. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON HERE IS DO WE THINK THEY'VE LAID OUT A GOOD STRATEGY FOR RECEIVING PUBLIC INPUT AND ENGAGING, UH, WITH PROFESSIONALS AND GETTING A BETTER DOCUMENT? UM, CAN WE SEE THAT SLIDE ONE MORE TIME OR, UH, THE STAFF AND YOU BRING UP THE WITH, AND, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL SLIDES, I BELIEVE, A TEAM MEETING THE LAST ONE. WASN'T THAT? THE PHASE ONE, TWO, THREE, YEP, YEP. YEAH, HERE YOU GO. THIS IS WHAT THEY PR UH, THIS IS THE PROCESS FOR UPDATING THE DOCUMENT. SO WE, UH, SO THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS IF WE, UH, AFTER THIS PRESENTATION PC, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN GO, UH, PC MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY, UH, CAN REVIEW THIS AND COME UP WITH, UH, SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVING IT. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO CONSIDER THOSE THIS EVENING, UH, OR DO WE WANT TO FORM A WORKING GROUP AND I'M KIND OF MOVING INTO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. UM, BUT SO LET ME JUST FINISH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, FORMERLY MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION, WHICH OKAY. COMMISSIONER AND THEN COMMISSIONER PRICES, CAN YOU SHARE A SORT OF TWO QUICK QUESTIONS? I THINK ONE IS A REQUEST FOR SHARE GIRL. UM, IF YOU CAN SHARE YOUR PRESENTATION SLIDES WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND IT CAN BE SHARED TO OUR BACKUP, I KNEW IT WAS NOT NO BACKUP. SO IF IT CAN BE ON THE WEBSITE OR SHARED WITH US, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. SO IT'S A REQUEST FOR THE CHEERING STAFF. AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU, I CAN HELP ANSWER OR STAFF CAN HELP ANSWER, BUT WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO UP ON SPEAK UP AUSTIN, YOU GET FEEDBACK ESSENTIALLY FROM THE BROAD COMMUNITY. UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, YES, WE, WE DID SEND THE SLIDE PRESENTATION AND THE ACTUAL PLAN DOCUMENT, WHICH IS A, ABOUT A 20 PAGE PLAN OUTLINE, UH, TO YOUR STAFF STAFF LIAISON. SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE THAT TO YOU. UM, BUT YEAH, SO IT'S PART OF THE, UM, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES, UM, INCLUDING SPEAK UP AND, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY WHEN THEY DID THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN WAS ACTUALLY CREATING COMMUNITY AMBASSADORS, UH, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY THEN GO OUT AND ENGAGE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT THE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US WORKING ON THIS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO, UM, FORMING THOSE COMMUNITY GROUPS AND REALLY REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND EDUCATING THEM, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE FIND ACTUALLY, UNLESS YOU WORK DOWNTOWN, UH, MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THESE EXIST. SO THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT THAT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. AND THAT ALL HAPPENED AT THE VERY BEGINNING AND IN PHASE ONE HELPS TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT YOU ARE UNDERTAKING. THANK YOU, MR. PRICES. OKAY. YEAH. UM, SO I SAW HIM IN THE FIRST STAGE OF YOUR PROCESS, IT SAID THAT YOU WOULD DEFINE CORE VALUES AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT, UM, DEFINE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UM, PLAN. SO, UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE VALUES AND CORE SORT OF THRUST OF IT WILL BE PREDETERMINED BEFORE THE COMMUNITY CAN REALLY PARTICIPATE IN HOW THEY WANT TO SEE THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES CHANGED IN A, IN A BIG PICTURE WAY? OR AM I MISINTERPRETING THAT? UH, NO. AND THAT'S, AND I, I COULD SEE HOW YOU GET THAT. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T NUMBER IT. THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ANY ORDER. UH, THAT'S PART OF WHAT, HOW THE PHASE ONE THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT. BUT I THINK THE KEY CREATING A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN AND ACTUALLY FORMING THE WORKING GROUPS WOULD BE THE, THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT PIECES OF THAT FIRST PHASE THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY, BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE KIND OF FALLS UNDERNEATH THAT, THOSE ITEMS. UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER HERE ON THIS SLIDE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. I ASK BECAUSE IN A LOT OF, UM, PROCESSES THAT THE CITY STARTS, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY BRING IN, OKAY, THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE. AND [04:05:01] THEN COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ASKED TO HELP THEM FIND HOW TO ACHIEVE THAT. AND THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN REALLY HAVE THOSE SAME GOALS OR THAT SAME, YOU KNOW, SENSE OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE HEADING IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO, YEAH. THANK YOU. WELL, IT'S A, COMMISSIONER'S, I'M LOOKING AT IT'S 10 OH EIGHT. WE'VE EXTENDED THE 10 15. UM, WE'VE GOT JUST A LITTLE MORE BUSINESS TO DO HERE. I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO FORM A WORKING GROUP AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE, UH, OUR COMMITTEES, WHICH SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG AT ALL. UH, ANYWAY, COMMISSIONER COX, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND 10 MORE MINUTES TO 10 25 ABSOLUTE FINAL EXTENSION, JUST SO WE CAN GET THROUGH EVERYTHING. 10 25. DO I SEE A SECOND? JUST, OKAY. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER IS OUR, UM, AND WE'VE GOT, UM, OKAY. ALTHOUGH THE IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. A LITTLE MORE BREATHING ROOM. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S, UH, UNLESS THERE'S ANY BURNING QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION, ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO MOVE INTO A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE FORM A WORKING GROUP? OKAY. UH, SO WE'RE ON ITEMS [D1. Discussion and possible action establishing a working group tasked to review and propose recommendations for Commission consideration regarding the update to the Urban Design Guidelines. (Co-Sponsors Chair Shaw; Vice-Chair Hempel)] D FROM THE COMMISSION. UH, DOES THE QUESTION TO YOU, IS, DOES THIS WARRANT A WORKING GROUP THAT WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLAN AND COME BACK, UM, THAT IS PROPOSED FOR, UM, GETTING PUBLIC INPUT, THAT PROCESS AND HOW IT WORKS WITH THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND, AND BRING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO US. UM, AND THEN, UM, THE WORKING GROUP WILL BRING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO US IN THE FORM OF SOME AMENDMENTS, AND THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER THEM AS A BODY. OR DO WE JUST, UM, UH, HAVE THIS AS A DISCUSSION ITEM AND MAYBE, UH, HAVE AMENDMENTS JUST ON THE, KIND OF ON THE FLY, SO TO SPEAK AT THE NEXT MEETING, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER COPS. I, I FEEL LIKE A WORKING GROUP WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE KIND OF IN THE PROCESS, SIMILAR TO THE WORKING GROUP WE DID WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE TRANSPORTATION SODA AMENDMENT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT, IF IT JUST, JUST THE PROCESS ITSELF OF DOING THAT IS WORTHY OF AN ENTIRE, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. IT'S JUST LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY LAID OUT A, A GOOD PLAN MOVING FORWARD? AND THEN ONCE THEY BEGAN, YES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE WAYS THAT WE WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THE ACT WITHIN THE ACTUAL PROCESS WHEN IT STARTS, BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IS IT A GOOD PLAN, YOU KNOW, UH, AS FAR AS HOW THEY ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC. SO TRYING TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO THINGS, UM, YES, WE WILL DISCUSS THAT AT ANOTHER MEETING, BUT THIS IS JUST WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED A WORKING GROUP TO DISCUSS THEIR PLAN HAS. SO DO I HAVE ANY, UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? YEAH, I, I, SORRY, SORRY. UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, I DON'T THINK THEIR PLAN IS VERY FLESHED OUT. I, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WAS EVIDENCED BY, UM, BY COMMISSIONER PRAXIS QUESTION THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE, THERE MIGHT STILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE HONING IN TO DO ON THAT. THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE. SO, UM, NOW WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED A, UH, UH, A WORKING GROUP FOR THAT, OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF WANT TO TAKE AND REVAMP AND JUST COME TO US AS A WHOLE THAT, YEAH. UM, I'M AFTER COMMISSIONER PRAXIS, UH, MADE HER COMMENTS, I'M ACTUALLY THINKING THERE MIGHT BE BENEFIT. UH, IT COULD BE A SHORT LIVE WORKING GROUP, UH, BUT STILL TO HAVE SOME FOCUSED ATTENTION IN MEETING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLKS AND GET A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON WHAT THE PLAN IS. WE HAVE A BIT HAD A VERY SHORT TIME TONIGHT, AND I THINK THERE WOULD BE BENEFIT COMMISSION, UH, VICE CHAIR HEMPHILL SAID SHE WOULD, UH, VOLUNTEERED TO SERVE ON THAT PANEL, NOT, NOT LEAD IT. UM, SO I'M GOING TO GO AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE FORM A WORKING GROUP, BUT I NEED TO GET SOME VOLUNTEERS. UH, WE HAVE THE VICE CHAIR, UH, WE ALREADY HAVE TWO OTHER WORKING GROUPS. SO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT SPREADING THE WORKLOAD AROUND. WE HAVE THE, UH, TRAIN, UM, TRANSPORTATION, UH, CRITERIA MANUAL, UH, WORKING GROUP. AND WE HAVE THE 11TH AND 12TH STREET, UH, URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, URBAN DESIGN PLAN. SO ANYWAY, I THINK WE NEED AT LEAST THREE, FOUR PEOPLE TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE GOOD, GET SOME GOOD, ROBUST, UH, OPINIONS. SO THOUGHTS ON FORMING A WORKING GROUP, LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM, MR. HOWARD. SO I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF HAVING A WORKING GROUP I'D BE INTERESTED IN SERVING. [04:10:01] I THINK THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT THE PROCESS IS IMPORTANT. I MEAN, NOT ONLY THE OUTCOME, BUT I'VE SHOULD HAVE PROCESSED, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING INCLUSIVE, UM, AND CERTAINLY ADDRESSING ALL THE ISSUES THAT ALL THE OUTCOMES THAT WE HOPE TO ACHIEVE THERE. SO, YES, I THINK THIS IS GOOD. I THINK ANY, UM, ABILITY TO DO MORE OF A DEEP DIVE AND ALLOW THAT, UH, GROUP TO BE ABLE TO FLUSH OUT SOME THOUGHTS ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP AND BRING THAT BACK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO, UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO GO, UH, SO QUICK POINT HERE. THIS IS GOING TO BE ON A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND, JULY 29TH. THEY WANT TO GO TO COUNCIL. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THIS. IT'S JUST A, IT'S GOING TO BE MAYBE TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM STAFF AND THEN COME OUT WITH SOME CHANGES AND BRING IT BACK TO THE, UH, THE BODY HERE FOR CONSIDERATION COMMISSIONER CUPS. UM, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO DO THIS? YEAH. THAT MOTION, MR. UH, MR. RIVERA, IS THIS SOMETHING WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON, IN AND VOTE ON THE, UH, RECOMMENDED WORKING GROUP CHAIR, COMMISSIONER WISE WHEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WAS SECOND AND THEN APPOINT MEMBERS, AND THEN THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL. RIGHT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, UH, LET'S GO HEAD. I HEAR THE MOTION OF THE WORKING GROUP. OKAY. DO I NEED TO NAME MEMBERS? UH, SO, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO ESTABLISH THE WORKING GROUP FOR THE UPDATE TO THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES PROCESS, UM, WITH, UH, CHAIR HEMPEL, UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD. AND I'M GONNA, I DON'T THINK STEVE VOLUNTEER, BUT I'M GONNA VOLUNTEER COMMISSIONER PRACTICE SINCE HE HAD PROBABLY THE BEST QUESTION OUT OF ALL OF IT, IF HE'S WILLING TO, SIR. ALL RIGHT. UH, ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK FOUR WOULD BE GOOD IF WE GET FOUR INDEPENDENT, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN THE GROUP CAN, WHAT THE ARE FOR GROUP MEET OR WHATEVER, HOW WE DECIDE TO DO IT, I COULD, I CAN BE A FOURTH, BUT I'M, I'M PRETTY LIMITED ON TIME. RIGHT. I'M HAPPY TO HELP. THAT WILL AMEND TO INCLUDE COMMISSIONER MS. BELLA. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S SO RESTATE THAT REAL QUICK. SO WE GET ALL THE MEMBERS, UH, UH, MOTION TO ESTABLISH A WORKING GROUP FOR THE URBAN DESIGN, FOR THE UPDATE TO THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, BROUGHT BACK WITH, UH, VICE CHAIR, TEMPO, COMMISSIONER POWERED, COMMISSIONER, PRACTICE, AND COMMITMENT. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER MS. SHELLER, AND DO WE NEED DISCUSSION? UM, I'M GONNA GO ON AND SAY WE CAN WAIVE IT. UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, UM, ON THAT MOTION. ALL RIGHT. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. UM, WE ARE DOING VERY WELL. SO WE ALREADY CLARITY ONE. UM, ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, JUST, OH, COMMISSIONER CZAR, GET YOUR, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, CAN WE PLEASE PUT, UH, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WORKING GROUP BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR APPOINTMENTS IS ACTION. WE HAVE SOME COMMISSIONERS THAT COMMISSIONER SHAMED MISSING TODAY, WHO I WOULD, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SERVE, MIGHT BE INTERESTED. SO CAN WE PLEASE PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA, NEXT NAME AS AN ACTION ITEM IN CASE OTHER FOLKS WANT TO BE PART OF THE WORKING GROUP? OKAY, GOOD POINT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, I'VE MADE A NOTE OF THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY, [F. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] UH, IT JUST ALLOTTED FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS TO BE DISTRICT TOPS. I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE PROCESS. SO, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER AND I MENTIONED THE OAKTON ENERGY ISSUE WITH, WITH SETBACK 80 YOUTH. SO IF A PROCESS THAT WE JUST WAIT FOR STAFF TO SCHEDULE THAT, OR DO WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A SCHEDULE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? UH, I THINK SO. I'M KIND OF CONFIRMING WITH STAFF AND JUST DEPENDING ON THE CASE LOAD, UH, I'LL TRY TO GET THAT IN, ON AN AGENDA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. YEAH. WE WERE BARELY ABLE TO FIT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ONE UPDATE FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. SO IT'S BEEN VERY TOUGH WITH OUR CASE LOAD TO INCLUDE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T WAITING ON ME FOR ANYTHING I'VE DEALT WITH THAT. OKAY. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO, UH, [G. BOARDS, COMMITTEES & WORKING GROUPS UPDATES] THE FINE LIGHT ON BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND WORKING GROUP UPDATES. UH, ANYTHING FROM CODES, ORDINANCES, JOINT COMMITTEE, UM, NO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE. DID YOU GUYS HAVE A MEETING? WE DID. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK TO IT. WE BARELY HAD QUORUM. UH, AND WE'RE MEETING AGAIN ON FRIDAY. YEAH. WE'RE MEETING AGAIN ON FRIDAY TO, UH, TO REVIEW AND APPROVE [04:15:01] SOME SORT OF DRAFT MEMO. THAT'S GOING TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, JOIN SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. YEAH. WE HAD A MEETING, UM, NOTHING THAT WE PROBABLY REALLY NEED TO GO OVER HERE, BUT A COUPLE INSIGHTS. ONE WAS THAT, UM, A LOT OF THE TREES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PLANTED NOW ARE GOING TO NOT BE RESILIENT TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DYING. AND, UM, AND WE GOT A REALLY INTERESTING UPDATE ON, UM, FLOOD AREAS AND THE NEED FOR COMMUNITIES TO BE CLOSED AND CONNECTED AND NEIGHBORS TO KNOW EACH OTHER IN ORDER TO BE RESILIENT TO FLOODING. UM, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT WHEN WE LOOK AT GENTRIFICATION AND THE KIND OF AFFECTS OUR DECISION MAKING HAS ON COMMUNITY COHESION. UM, BUT YEAH, THEY HAVE REALLY INTERESTING RESOURCES. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE FLOODING STUFF, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD ANALYSIS ON THAT. THANK YOU. UH, SMELLER PLANNING, JOINT COMMITTEE AND THE ACTIVITY THERE. YEAH. WE HAD A MEETING AND WE SAW A CASE OVER ON TUMI ROAD. UH, WE ONLY HAD FOUR PEOPLE AND WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE A UNANIMOUS DECISION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT CASE IS GOING TO BE COMING BEFORE US. UM, SOON I THINK. OKAY. UH, SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT ANY, OH, SORRY, NOTHING THERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, SO WE HAVE OUR, UH, WORKING GROUPS, UH, REAL QUICK. LET'S TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS 11TH AND 12TH STREET URP. UH, I SENT OUT SOME, UH, RECOMMENDED, UM, I GUESS THE PROCESS FOR CONSIDERING AMENDMENTS. UH, UH, PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR COMMENTS ON THOSE. I THINK I'VE ALREADY GOT SOME FROM COMMISSIONER ZAR ANYWAY, MR. ZAHRA, YOU WANT TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE WORKING GROUP? SURE. WE'VE HAD A COMMUNITY LISTENING SESSION LAST WEEK WHERE WE GOT A LOT OF, UM, GOOD FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE SORT OF INPUTTING INTO IT. AND WE'VE MET SINCE TO DISCUSS AS A WORKING GROUP SO FAR BACK FORWARD AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND ALL THIS TO SAY, I THINK WE'LL BE WORKING ON AMENDMENTS IN THE COMING DAYS. AND, UM, WE PLANNED TO HAVE OUR FINE LINES AMENDMENTS SUBMITTED TO EVERY DUDE TO STAFF BY THE MORNING OF THE 18TH, WHICH IS THE FRIDAY BEFORE WE DATE ACTION. THE IDEA IS THAT HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE SHARED WITH ALL OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THEY CAN BE UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND COMMISSION MEMBERS DO VIEW OVER THE WEEKEND BEFORE. I'M YOU. THANK YOU. AND, UH, LET ME JUST ASK, SO DID THE ACTUAL, YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK SESSION ACTUALLY RESULT IN AMENDMENTS THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD? YES. UH, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE, WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE COMING UP WITH SOME AMENDMENTS. WE HEARD SOME, UM, MAJOR AREAS OF CONCERN AND FEEDBACK, AND I THINK WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT. SO DEFINITELY EXPECTS, UM, QUITE A FEW AMENDMENTS FROM US OR CERTAIN THINGS. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING THAT, THAT TOOK EXTRA TIME AND EFFORT, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS LEADING THAT. UH, SO LET'S GO ON MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION WORKING GROUP. MR. THOMPSON. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING THIS LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. UM, BUT I HOPE TO GET, UH, A DOODLE POLL OUT TO EVERYBODY'S EMAIL AND LET'S DO SOMETHING IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, AND SORT OF FINALIZE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO IS THAT, UM, MR. RIVERA, AS I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE RELEASE OF THE LATEST DRAFT, RIGHT? IS THAT, IS IT SURE COMMISSIONER HE'S ON ANDREW? YES. OTHERWISE CRATER STAFF IS STILL, UM, MAKING INTERNAL EDITS ON AND SO IT HASN'T BEEN PUBLISHED YET. ONCE WE PUBLISH IT, THEN WE'LL BE ON THAT CLOCK FOR 30 DAYS TO TURN AROUND. OKAY. 30 MINUTES. SO I DON'T KNOW, UH, FINISHER THOMPSON, HOW MUCH THINGS WILL CHANGE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS SAW LAST, BUT ANYWAY, JUST MY GUESS IS WE'RE DOING IT HIGH LEVEL ENOUGH THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, AND WITH THAT, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE, I THINK WE ARE READY TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 10 22. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL, UH, DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AFTER Y'ALL BUY THE THINGS YOU DON'T. IT'S THE THINGS . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.