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[Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order]

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UH, JULY 13TH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER AT 6 0 7.

UM, WE, UH, HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT AND, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE ROLL CALL.

UM, WHEN I MENTIONED YOUR NAME, UH, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY HERE OR ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE.

UH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE MYSELF AS CHAIR, TODD SHAW.

UH, WE HAVE VICE CHAIR HEMPEL UH, WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS, UM, STARTING WITH, UH, MISSIONER CONLEY, UH, THEN COMMISSIONER COPPS, COMMISSIONER FLORES, COMMISSIONER BUSH TODDLER, UH, COMMISSIONER.

I DON'T SEE COMMISSIONER PRICES, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, AND OH, AND I, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER SHEA APOLOGY HAS WENT OUT OF ORDER THERE.

OKAY.

SO THAT, UM, THE CDN THAT GIVES US, UH, EIGHT BY MY COUNT THIS EVENING.

UM, SO WE'RE JUST OVER QUORUM, SO WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF OPENINGS FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK.

SO ANYWAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, LIKE TELL US TO RECOGNIZE, UH, LET'S SEE, TONIGHT WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER JESSICA COHEN, UH, JOINING US.

AND, UM, WITH THAT QUICK REMINDERS, UH, COMMISSIONERS WERE, UH, HAVE YOUR VOTING MATERIALS, UH, RED, YELLOW, GREEN CARDS, UH, REMAIN COMMITTED WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND TO BE RECOGNIZED AND CALLING ME VERBALLY.

IF I'M FAILING TO SEE YOU, UM, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER THIS EVENING.

THERE'S ONLY EIGHT, NINE BOXES.

UM, LET'S SEE, UM, FOR THE PARTICIPANTS OUT THERE, UH, SELECT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE, AND IF YOUR HIDING IS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMAIN ON THE LINE.

UH, YOU'LL RECEIVE AN EMAIL WITH HER ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM TAKING YOUR, TAKING OUT THE ITEM.

SO, UH, THE FIRST ITEM THIS EVENING IS TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA AND, UH, APPROVE THE CONSENT

[Reading of Agenda]

AGENDA AND MINUTES.

AND SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

AND AS I'VE COMMITTED TO, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS MORE QUICKLY.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO, UM, UH, READ OUT THE ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

I'LL JUST READ THE CASE NUMBER, UM, THE ADDRESS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, UM, CONSENT OR PULLED FOR DISCUSSION.

SO THE FIRST ITEM ON CONSENT THIS EVENING IS THE APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 22ND MINUTES.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED OR TO THE MINUTES HEARING, SEEING NONE? WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADD THOSE TO THE, UH, UM, CONSENT AGENDA AS THEY ARE, UH, MOVING INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, UH, TO READ THESE OUT, WE HAVE ITEMS B ONE, IT'S A REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14 20 21 0 0 4 7.

UH, MORRIS CROSSING, FARMHOUSE, AND, UH, DECIDED BASED ON CONSENT.

UH, ITEM B TO THE PLAN AMENDMENT MTA 2021 DASH OH TWO.

OH DOT OH ONE SHELBY LANE RESIDENCE.

THIS ITEM IS, UH, POSTPONE UNTIL AUGUST 24TH.

YEAH, VITAMIN B3, REZONING C 14 20 21 0 0 1 5 SHELBY LANE RESIDENT.

THIS ITEM IS POSTPONE TILL AUGUST 24TH.

YEAH, HAVE I DONE, UH, BEFORE PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 21 0 0 2 NINE.ZERO ONE DOT S H AT 10 21 EAST ST.

JOHN'S.

UH, THIS IS APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 24TH, THE FIVE REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14 20 21 0 0 5 DOT THERE, SAGE AT 10 21 EAST ST.

JOHN'S AVENUE.

THIS ITEM IS, UH, WE HAVE AN APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TILL AUGUST 24.

UH, ITEM B SIX PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 2021 DEATHS ARE ZERO ONE EIGHT.ZERO ONE.

UH, THE CARLY'S DOT THREE, TWO.

UH, THIS IS IT.

UM, BESIDE HIM IS ON CONSENT.

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WE HAVE B SEVEN REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14 DASH 2021 DASH 0 0 1 8.

MCCARLEY STOPPED 32.

THIS ONE, UH, ITEM IS ALSO ON CONSENT.

WE HAVE ITEM B EIGHT REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14 DASH 2021.

YEAH, 0 0 0 9 17 25 TO MEET ROAD.

AND WE, THIS ITEM IS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD POST-MOMENT TO JULY 27 AND APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT.

OKAY.

B NINE IS A PLAN AMENDMENT CASE NUMBER NPA THAT'S 2020 TWO.ZERO TWO CENTRAL EAST BESIDE THEM IS ON CONSENT.

UH, B 10 REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14 DASH 20 21 0 0 5 8 CENTRAL EAST.

THIS IS, UM, ON CONSENT B 11 PLAN AMENDMENT NPA DASH 2021 DASH 0 0 1 SEVEN.ZERO TWO STO BAR RESIDENTIAL.

THIS ITEM IS, UH, WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TILL JULY 27.

APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT AND A B 12 REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14 DASH 2021 DASH 0 0 5 5 9 0 1 TO 9 0 7 STOVALL STREET NEIGHBORHOOD.

POSTPONE IT TILL JULY 27TH APPLICANT IN AGREEMENT.

YEAH, IT'D BE 13 PLAN AMENDMENT CASE NUMBER NPA 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO TWO.ZERO ONE FAIR MARKET.

THIS ITEM IS FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, AND THEN WE HAVE THE ACCOMPANYING REZONING ITEM B 14.

IT'S A CASE NUMBER C 14 20 21 DASH 0 0 6 1 SARAH MARKET REZONING.

AND AGAIN, THIS ONE WILL BE, UH, TAKEN UP WITH B 13 FOR DISCUSSION, UH, THE 15 PLAN AMENDMENT CASE NUMBER NPA DASH 2021 DASH 0 0 2 6 0 1, BRADY AND BROWNIE MIXED USE.

THIS ONE IS, UM, UH, THEN HAS NEVER HEARD POSTPONE UNTIL JULY 27TH APPLICANT.

IN AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE THE 16 REZONING C 14 20 21 DASH 0 2 3 8, RADIANT BROWN IN MIXED USE.

THIS IS, UM, SIMILARLY, UH, HOW NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT UNTIL THE JULY 27 AFRICAN AN AGREEMENT, UH, THESE 17 REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14, JAZ 2021 DASH 0 0 3 6 HIGHWAY TWO 90 AND 1826.

UM, REZONING.

THIS IS ON CONSENT B 18 REZONING C 14 20 21 DASH 0 0 8 8 7 7 1 5 AND 7 8 0 9 OLD BKS ROAD BESIDE HIM IS ON CONSENT.

LASTLY, WE HAVE ITEM B 19 PRELIMINARY PLAN, CHASE NUMBER C EIGHT DASH 2020 DASH 0 0 3 3, SALARY RIDGE AND WILD HORSE RANCH.

THIS ITEM IS, UM, DISAPPROVED FOR REASONS.

UH, THE STAFF JUSTIFICATION FOR DISAPPROVAL IS FOUND IN EXHIBIT C, UH, THE BACKUP.

AND SO, UH, LET'S SEE, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON CONSENT

[Consent Agenda]

AND FOR DISCUSSION.

UH, DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY THAT NEED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM ANY OF THESE ITEMS? OKAY.

UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED ON CONSENT? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WITH THAT, UM, UH, WITH THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA, IF YOU WERE GOING TO INCLUDE THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 22ND AND THE, UH, ITEMS READ INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, DO I HAVE A, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMMISSIONER? UH VICE-CHAIR HEMPEL UH, OKAY.

AND SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER FLORES.

SO LET'S GO AND VOTE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES MINUTES AND THE ITEMS, UH, I READ OUT BEFORE CONSENT.

ALL RIGHT.

SEE YOUR CARDS

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OR YOUR ITEMS LOOKS ALL GREEN.

SO THAT'S EIGHT ZERO.

SO COMMISSIONER, IF I SHARE A HANDFUL, IS THAT YELLOW OR GREEN? I CAN'T TELL HELLO.

I'M IN MY HOTEL TONIGHT, SO I DON'T HAVE MY NORMAL CARDS.

OH, OKAY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BOTTLE OF COLOR.

I JUST, TO ME, THE LID LOOKS YELLOW, BUT OKAY.

SORRY, I'LL GO WITH, THIS'LL BE MY YELLOW.

OH, VERY GOOD.

I GOT IT.

OKAY.

I CAN'T WAIT TO, WELL, WE MAY NOT SEE ANY RED, BUT THERE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, THAT'S GOOD.

WE'VE CLEARED THE CONSENT AGENDA AND NOW

[ Items B13 - B14]

WE'VE GOT, UH, ONE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.

UM, WELL WE'RE TAKING ITEMS THE 13 AND 14 TOGETHER.

AND SO DO WE HAVE STAFF TO KIND OF GIVE US A, UH, SUMMARY OF THE CASES? YES.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS MARK WALTERS WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT ITEM 13, MPA 20 20 0 0 2 DOT OH ONE FAIR MARKET DISTRICT THREE U ADDRESS IS 1111 0 8, 11 10 EAST FIFTH STREET AND 5 0 2 AND 5 0 4 WALTER STREET.

THE REQUEST IS TO MODIFY THE HEIGHT MAP FROM, UH, THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT FROM 60 TO 85 FEET.

AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO WE HAVE, UH, SPEAKING, UH, IS THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING, UH, IN BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, MR. RICHARDS, SETTLE CHAIR, COMMISSION LIAISON.

ANDREW, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE ZONING STAFF NOW.

OH, I APOLOGIZE.

UM, I HAD, THIS IS HEATHER CHAPMAN HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT IT'S THEN IN CASE C 14, 20 21 0 0 6 1, THE REQUEST IT'S GO FROM T O D N P T T O D P O D AND P CHANGE A CONSTRUCT CONDITION OF ZONING.

AND AS MARK SAID, UH, IT STILL ALLOW THE ISTATION AREA PLAN AND REGULATING PLAN TO INCREASE THE BUILDING HEIGHT TO 85 FEET TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THE DENSITY BONUS THAT IS PERMITTED UNDER THIS PLAN.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO UTILIZE THE TOD DENSITY PLAN TO INCREASE FAR SO THAT I'M SORRY, FCR FOR DEVELOPMENTS TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR PAY A FEE IN LIEU TO THE HOUSING PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THIS PROJECT.

THEY ARE INTENDING TO DO AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.

SO THEREFORE THEY'RE PAYING TO SEE AND LOSE TO THE HOUSING PROGRAM AND THE INCREASED FAR PER THAT, UH, PAYMENT.

SO FOR THIS, IT WOULD ALLOW THE BUILDING HEIGHTS TO GO FROM 60 FEET TO 85 FEET.

AND, UH, THE CITY WILL BE UPDATING THE STATION AREA PLAN, REGULATING PLAN ACCORDINGLY, UH, RELATED TO THIS, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THEY INTEND TO MAINTAIN AND CONSTRUCT ROY AND MCKEE IS THE LAST IS, SPAZA AN UNDEVELOPED AREA.

THAT'S IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE PROPERTY.

IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, RIGHT AWAY THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A STREET CONNECTION, BUT, UH, IT WAS LATER PLANNED TO BE, UH, PARKLAND.

AND, UH, THE CITY CANNOT REQUIRE THAT THESE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS BE PART OF THE ZONING CASE YET AND ADDITIONAL OVERLAY OR PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.

THE PROPERTY IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST FIFTH STREET BETWEEN MEDINA AND BALLER STREET.

IT'S 11 SMALL LOSS AND THEY SEND FROM SIX, THREE TO THE ALLEY TO THE NORTH, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED THE FAIR MARKET AND OUTDOOR INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT VENUE WITH ITS ASSOCIATED OFFICES.

AGAIN, TO THE WEST OF IT IS THE FORMER RIGHT OF WAY, OR I GUESS MAYBE IT IS CURRENTLY RIGHT AWAY, BUT THE AREA THAT HAS BEEN INTENDED AND PLANT THE PARK THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AS SUCH THE BEYOND THE ALLEY TOOK NORTH THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT WAS MEANT TO BE THE CONNECTION HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AS A PRIVATE PARKING

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LOT AS THE STATUS OF THE LEGAL STATUS OF THAT PORTION ITEM.

NO SO IN THE AREA, UM, EVERYTHING IS ZONED TO U D N P TO THE WEST AND NORTH AND EAST ACROSS THE MEDINA STREET TO THE WEST IS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

MULTI-FAMILY RETAIL RESTAURANT AND OTHER GROUND FLOOR USES THERE'S MORE PERSONAL SERVICES.

COCKTAIL LOUNGE, COMMERCIAL USES TO THE EAST ACROSS WALLER STREET IS COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE OF THE PROPERTY OR PROPERTIES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ZONED TOB HERE, NP, UH, IN AUGUST, 2017, THE CITY COUNCIL BY JUST TO REMOVE YOUR OVERLAY.

BUT PRIOR TO THAT, THESE PROPERTIES WERE REZONED, INCLUDING, UH, THE FIRST TRACKS ON THE AREA CASE HISTORIES HE LISTED IN THE BACKUP.

THEY UTILIZE SECURE OVERLAY TO INCREASE THE PERMITTED HEIGHT AND MODIFY OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

THESE WERE THE CLOSEST TRACKS.

UH, THE HEIGHT INCREASE WENT UP TO 68, 70, 80, AND 1 25 FEET OF BUILDING HEIGHT IN VARIOUS ZONING CASES.

UH, THE CLOSEST TRACT IS DEVELOPED WITH MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH, UH, COMMERCIAL GROUND FLOOR USES AGAIN, AS I SAID, IN 2017, THE CURE OVERLAY WAS MOVED FROM THIS AREA THAT THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM SO REMAINS.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY AVAILABLE TOOL TO ALLOW AN INCREASE IN FAR HEIGHT IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE FAR UNDER THE DENSITY BONUS BONUS PROGRAM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE HEIGHT TO INCREASE TO 85 FEET FAST IS SUPPORTING THIS.

UH, THIS IS AN AREA THAT SUPPORTS INCREASED DENSITY AND MIX OF LAND USES AND HAVE A LOSS OF TRANSIT ACCESS.

THIS IS A FEE AND LOO SITE, AND THERE ARE, UH, PEOPLE SIGNED UP IN OPPOSITION BECAUSE THIS IS A PROPERTY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FEE IN LIEU OPTION INSTEAD OF PROVIDING THE AFFORDABLE, HAVING A HOUSING OPTION ONSITE.

AND THAT'S IT FOR MY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND NOW WE WILL MOVE TO THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, MR. RICHARD SETTLE.

HE HAS SIX MINUTES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY.

I CAN HEAR YOU.

THANK YOU.

MY NAME'S RICHARD SETTLE.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND I'LL TRY NOT TO TAKE THE WHOLE SIX MINUTES.

UM, THIS CASE WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THE PRESENTATION LOADED IN AND I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT REALLY QUICK.

THE FIRST PAGE IS JUST SIMPLY AN ARIEL, AND WE CAN GO BACK TO TALK ABOUT THESE, BUT THERE'S ONE THAT I REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS IN ON THE SECOND PAGE SHOWS, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS WITH CORAZON NEXT TO US, THE AREA OF RIGHT AWAY, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THE PARK.

AND THEN THE FAIR MARKET BUILDINGS WHERE WE WERE PROPOSING OUR PROJECT.

THE THIRD ONE IS A RENDERING.

IT COULD, IT SHOWS A CONCEPT OF, OF HOW THE PARK AND THE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, COULD INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.

THE NEXT PAGE IS THE SAME THING, BASICALLY SHOWING ALONG FIFTH STREET AND THE PARK, BUT THE, THE MAIN, THE MAIN, UM, EXHIBIT THAT I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT IS THE NEXT ONE THAT SHOWS THE RELATIVE HEIGHTS WITH TOPOGRAPHY ADDED IN TO THE BUILDINGS TO SHOW THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO POKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOD.

TOD IS BY THEIR VERY NATURE OR LEND THEMSELVES TO DENSITY.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM AND PAY INTO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND, UH, TO BASICALLY GET AN EXTRA FLOOR OF HEIGHT ON THIS BUILDING AND ALLOW US TO DO MODERN FLORIDA TO CEILING HEIGHTS, UM, IT'LL AMOUNT TO BETWEEN 900,000 AND A MILLION DOLLARS INTO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, FEE THAT THAT WILL BE, UM, SPENT WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE TOD.

AND WE'RE PLANNING OFFICE WITH THE COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR IMPORTANCE OF THIS EXHIBIT THAT I HOPE YOU CAN SEE NOW IS TO SHOW THAT, UH, BETWEEN THE, THE, THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND THIS, WON'T BE OUT OF PLACE AT ALL, AND, UM, MEETS THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES OF, OF DENSITY IN AND AROUND, UH, TODD.

AND,

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UM, THE REASON WE HAVE TO FILE TWO DIFFERENT CASES, WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT AND, AND THE ZONING CASE BOTH TO, UH, ALLOW US TO GO FROM 60 TO 85 FEET TO ALLOW US TO HAVE THE ONE MORE FLOOR.

AND THEN WE WILL PARTICIPATE IN THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM THROUGH THE FEE IN LIEU THERE THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, SO I HAVE SOME OTHER, UH, FOLKS HERE SPEAKING, UM, I GUESS IN FAVOR, BUT THEY MAY JUST BE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, DENNIS MCDANIEL, OR RE SURE.

UH, CARLOS, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YEAH, DENNIS MCDANIEL BEAR THERE WITH, THIS IS RICHARD AND THEY'RE WITH ME AND THEY'RE ON THE LINE IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT I COULDN'T ANSWER THEIR RESOURCES.

OKAY.

APPRECIATE IT.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE, UH, THOSE THAT ARE LISTED IN OPPOSITION.

AND I HAVE, UH, YEAH, AT FIRST HERE, UH, KRISTEN HEANEY STAR SIX, 10 MEET.

ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? I AM GREAT.

HI, MR. SHAW, I BELIEVE WE MIGHT HAVE MET BACK IN THE ALLENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DAYS.

AM I MAKING THAT UP? OH, YOU ARE CORRECT? YES.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, CAN YOU, ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE TODAY? YOU HAVE, UH, YOU'RE THE MAIN OPPOSITION SPEAKERS.

SO YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES.

FANTASTIC.

UM, AND I WON'T TAKE UP SIX MINUTES.

UH, OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU.

ALL MY NAME IS KRISTEN HANEY.

I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ECS OR CHAVEZ NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

UM, I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 2005.

UM, LET'S SEE.

THIS ONE WAS, IT'S A TOUGH ONE.

IT'S ALSO KIND OF AN EASY ONE FOR US.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS MAY HAVE SEEN THIS IN COMPARISON TO THE CENTRO EAST PROJECT, BUT THE CHALLENGE WE HAD WITH THIS ONE WAS THAT TODAY AND OUTSIDE OF THE SALTO PLAZA DEVELOPMENT, THERE HAVE BEEN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS NEVER APPROVED ANYTHING OVER 75 FEET.

AND THOSE HAVE BEEN PROJECTS THAT HAVE, UM, HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER SOME CONSIDERABLE OR BENEFIT BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I GUESS I WOULD SAY, UM, IT DOES INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, UH, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILDING THAT IN THE FALL PLAZA THAT ONLY WENT UP TO 75 FEET.

UM, SO THE REQUEST FOR 25 ADDITIONAL FEET AT THIS LOCATION, UM, HAS JUST BEEN HARD FOR US TO FIND ANY COMMON GROUND WITH THE APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW, UM, HOW IT ACTUALLY MEETS THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOALS, HOW IT ACTUALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.

UM, THAT'S THE, AND LU PROGRAM IS GREAT.

I WILL ADMIT THAT THE APPLICANT DID TRY TO MEET OUR REQUESTS TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET THAT C AND LIEU MONEY BACK INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOAL OF THOSE FUNDS IS TO HELP CREATE DIVERSE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS OUR CITY.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS MANY PROJECTS ARE COMING WITH A STRICT, WITH JUST A REQUEST PRIMARILY FOR, FOR HEIGHT, JUST TO GET ANOTHER FLOOR OF OFFICE SPACE OR TWO IN THIS CASE AT 25 FEET IS I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY GET TWO MORE FLOORS IN THERE.

UM, AND THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT FINANCIAL IMPACT ISN'T REALLY IT ISN'T HELPING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS THE POINT.

UM, I THINK THAT THERE IS A GROWING CONCERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I KNOW THERE IS I'VE, I'VE HEARD FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS, THERE'S A GROWING CONCERN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MORE THESE, THESE PROPOSALS COME IN, EVERY TIME THAT THIS GROUP CHOOSES TO GIVE MORE, UM, WITHOUT NEEDING ADDITIONAL NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, UM, THAT WE'RE JUST SORT OF ASKING TO BE ROLLED OVER AND TO HAVE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT HAPPENED.

SO, UM, THE 100 AND THE ZONING FOLKS ON THE STAFF MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER HEIGHT VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, I MENTIONED 68 FEET, 70 FEET, 80 FEET, 125 FEET, UM, 125 FEET.

AND PROBABLY THE ADC HAS A GUEST OR EXCEPTIONS IN THE FALL TIO PLAZA DEVELOPMENT,

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OR, YEAH, THE FAULTY IN A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT THAT 120 FEET WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ONE OFFICE BUILDING THAT, UH, SORT OF MEETS AND WAS SORT OF PROMISED PROBABLY BY THIS GROUP AND BY CITY COUNCIL THAT IT WOULD NOT SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SO THAT, THAT BECOMES A GROWING CONCERN IS THAT, THAT THESE KINDS OF THINGS IN, IN THE ZONING CHANGED SPECIFIC TO JUST ONE LOT AND NOT TO AN ENTIRE DONING AREA, UM, BECOME PROBLEMATIC.

UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT TO SAY.

THANKS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, YES, I HAVE SUSAN BENZ.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, STAR SIX, SEVEN, YOU, HELLO, THIS IS SUSAN.

UM, I OWN A PROPERTY AT 1101 EAST SIXTH STREET, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE ALLEY FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND ALSO I SERVED ON THE EAST COAST CHAVEZ NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACTEE TEAM FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS.

I'VE, I'VE ROLLED OFF IT NOW, BUT, UM, I WAS THERE AT THE TABLE.

UM, WHEN THIS RIGHT OF WAY, UM, ISSUE CAME UP IN REGARDS TO THE CORAZON PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CHANGE A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING IN IT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHETHER IT'S A PLANNING CHANGE OR, UH, A ZONING CHANGE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THIS PROJECT IS BENEFITING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE THIS ALIVE, CAUSE PARK OUT OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR DESIGN, WHICH THEY SHOWED ON THE SCREEN A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT AREA TO, TO ACHIEVE THEIR CONSTRUCTION.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT RIGHT AWAY ANYWAY.

SO TELLING US THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, BUT THAT'S WHAT IS BENEFITING THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEEMS A LITTLE HOLLOW TO ME, BUT THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT, UM, JUST BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AT THIS TABLE BEFORE, UM, IS THAT THIS SAME DEVELOPMENT TEAM MEMBERS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UM, WE'RE MEMBERS OF ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT TEAM, THAT'S THE CORAZON PROJECT.

THEY WERE ALLOWED TO USE THAT RIGHT AWAY DURING CONSTRUCTION, BASED ON THE PROMISE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD THIS VERY SAME VALASQUEZ PARK AND GOLLY, GEE, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

AND I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW MANY TIMES THIS DEVELOPER CAN GO TO THE SAME.

WELL, UM, SO I'M OPPOSED TO THE HEIGHT I'M OPPOSED TO THE HEIGHT, BECAUSE I FEAR THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS GONNA JUST BECOME AN EXTENSION OF DOWNTOWN AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THESE THOUGHTS IT IS.

AND, UM, AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GETS ANY BENEFIT AT ALL.

THANK YOU.

RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, AND NOW WE HAVE, UH, UH, APPLICANT REBUTTAL.

UM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UM, WE, WE JUST HAVE AN HONEST DISAGREEMENT, I THINK, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE BENEFITS, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CORAZON DIDN'T DIDN'T TEN-ISH UP THE PARK, BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY WILLING TO ENTER INTO WHATEVER ENFORCEABLE AGREEMENTS THE CITY DEEMS NECESSARY TO ALLOW THIS DEVELOPER TO TURN THE SURPLUS RIGHT AWAY.

PUBLIC WORKS HAS SAID THEY DON'T WANT THE ROAD THERE, BUT WE'LL ENTER INTO WHATEVER AGREEMENTS NEED TO BE TO, TO, TO SOLIDIFY THE, THE COMMITMENT TO DO VELASQUEZ PARK.

AND THE PAYMENT OF THE FEE IN LIEU IS SET UP TO WHERE IT HAS TO BE SPENT WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE TOD.

SO WHILE WE DID TRY TO, WE TRIED TO WORK OUT A DEAL WITH HOUSING WHERE WE'D ACTUALLY BUY A LOT AND GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY TO GUARANTEE IT.

THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM WHERE OUR MONEY WILL BE PAID IN.

IT WILL BE SPENT WITHIN A HALF MILE.

THE, UM, IN TERMS OF, OF TURNING THE TOD INTO DOWNTOWN WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR ABOUT HALF OF THE FLORIDA AREA RATIO THAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT DOWNTOWN.

MOST BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN ARE EXCEEDING THE EIGHT TO ONE, BUT IF YOU HAVE EIGHT TO ONE AT BUY, RIGHT WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING IN THE, IN THE REALM OF FOUR TO ONE, AND BASICALLY ASKING TO GO FROM 60, 85 FEET TO GET AN EXTRA FLOOR DENSITY TO US, THEN TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM EFFORTS ARE ONGOING AT THE CITY RIGHT NOW TO STUDY INCREASING DENSITIES AT THE TLDS BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE.

A DENSITY IS ENCOURAGED AT T ODS.

AND, AND WE FELT LIKE, UM, WITH THE PARTICIPATING IN THE NC PROMISE

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PROGRAM AND THE COMMITMENT TO DO THE PARK, WE WOULD ASK FOR SUPPORT IN ALLOWING US TO DO ONE MORE, ONE MORE STORY ON THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD AMOUNT TO A SIX STORY BUILDING AT THE TOD, WHICH ALSO FITS INTO THE FABRIC OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WITH THAT I'LL CLOSE AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO I'VE DONE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, COMMISSIONER SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHEA.

IT'S GONE ON THAT.

UM, SAY EIGHT ZERO NANUS.

OKAY.

SO A ROUND ROBIN FOR QUESTIONS NOW, UH, WHO, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, BASHIR HEMPEL OKAY.

HI, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. SETTLE.

UM, I'M SORRY IF I MISSED THIS, BUT THE, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARKING? ISN'T IT FIVE STORIES UNDERGROUND, UM, IS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE TO STAY AT THE CURRENT HEIGHT? UM, ARE YOU STILL ABLE TO DO THAT UNDERGROUND PARKING? WE, WE COULD PROBABLY DO THE UNDERGROUND PARKING, BUT, UM, AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME DENSITY AND WOULD REQUIRE LESS PARKING, BUT WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO REARRANGE THE WHOLE PROGRAM, UH, FOR THE BUILDING THEN, BUT THE, BUT THE, BUT THE PARKING RIGHT NOW IS PROPOSED TO BE UNDERGROUND.

SO IT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS THE BUILDING HEIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAD.

OKAY.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER CONLEY.

UM, I HAVE, UH, ACTUALLY QUITE A FEW, BUT I'M NOT PROBABLY ABLE TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL.

I'LL TRY.

UM, BUT MY FIRST QUESTION IS ACTUALLY ABOUT PARKING AS WELL.

AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S STRIKING FOR ME IS THAT, UM, THIS IS A TOD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE OBVIOUS ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HA IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN AREA THAT IS SERVED BY TRANSIT AND DOES HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONNECTIVITY.

WE'LL HAVE MORE WITH PROJECT CONNECT IS SORT OF SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, AN AREA FOR TRANSIT USE.

AND YET WE'RE DESIGNING THIS ENTIRE PROJECT WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE THEIR CARS HERE.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF, IF ANY THOUGHT WAS GIVEN TO THAT TO THE, TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS BASICALLY LIKE A CAR DESIGNED PROJECT AND THE TOD, SORRY, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

PARKING IS, UH, AS WE TRANSITION TO OUR NEW CITY WITH, WITH TRANS AND ALL PARKING IS STILL A NECESSARY EVIL.

IF YOU START AT THE BASE LEVEL LENDERS AND FOLKS THAT INVEST IN THESE BUILDINGS, THEY WANT SOME LEVEL OF PARKING.

UM, EVEN THOUGH WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD SOME PROJECTS IN TOWN IN DOWNTOWN NOW THAT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT ANY PARKING, BUT MOST OF THE TIME EVERYBODY WANTS SOME PARKING.

THE OTHER THING THAT PARKING DOES FOR YOU IS IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO COME.

AND, UM, FROM OTHER PARTS WHERE YOU CAN'T TAKE THE TRANSIT TO COME VISIT THE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL SPACE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THE WHERE REASONABLE MINDS CAN DIFFER IS HOW MUCH PARKING DOES SOMEBODY NEED.

AND USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT THE ARCHITECTS AND THE, UH, FINANCIAL GUYS GET TOGETHER AND THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT THE MARKET WILL REQUIRE IN ORDER TO GET IT FINANCED.

AND THAT'S HOW YOU END UP WITH, UM, SOME LEVEL OF PARKING, EVEN, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE IN THE TOD.

BUT DO YOU THINK THAT THE FIVE STORIES OF PARKING, UM, REFLECTS THAT KIND OF COMPROMISE WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU DO WANT YOUR, YOU DO WANT THE PEOPLE COMING TO WORK HERE TO USE THE TRANSIT SYSTEMS TO BE TRANSIT CLIENTS, RIGHT.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE NEED FOR ANY PARKING, BUT SURE.

WELL, IN THE FIVE LEVELS IS CURRENTLY A PLACEHOLDER.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOST, IT'LL BE, AS WE GET FARTHER INTO THE DESIGN, IT COULD BE LESS, BUT THE IMPORTANT PART IS WE'RE NOT DOING THE PARKING LIKE YOU SEE IN MANY OF THESE BUILDINGS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LACK AS YOU COME UP OUT OF THE GROUND WITH THE PARKING AND THEN START THE OCCUPIABLE SPACE ITSELF.

SO WHAT WE DID IS A MAXIMUM OF FIVE UNDERGROUND WITH, WITH MEET THE STREET GROUND LEVEL PEDESTRIAN USES.

OKAY, SORRY, BECAUSE THE TIME IS LIMITED.

I'M GOING TO JUMP ONTO MY NEXT QUESTION, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER.

MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT THE POCKET PARK, UM, THAT IS BEING PROPOSED BECAUSE IT REALLY IS BEING PROPOSED AS A SORT OF A COMMUNITY BENEFIT AS AN OPEN SPACE THAT MIGHT POTENTIALLY BENEFIT, UM, OTHER FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RENTERS WHO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET AND SO FORTH.

UM,

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BUT IN THE DESIGNS FOR THE POCKET PARK, UM, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL HOW MUCH THAT IS.

IN FACT, THE CASE AND HOW MUCH THE PARK IS REALLY JUST GOING TO BE A SPACE DESIGNED TO CATER TO THOSE BUSINESSES, THOSE STOREFRONTS.

I MEAN, WE SEE, UM, THE STOREFRONT FACING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STOREFRONTS OF THE FACING VENUES.

AND THEN WE SEE SORT OF TABLES AND CHAIRS, UM, IN THE DESIGNS PROPOSED, WHICH KIND OF LEADS ONE TO ASSUME THAT THAT SPACE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A SPACE THAT SERVES THE CLIENTS AND CUSTOMERS OF THOSE BUSINESSES.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MUCH THAT SPACE WILL ACTUALLY BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, OTHER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW FREELY THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO USE THAT SPACE, UM, VERSUS HOW MUCH THAT SPACE WILL BE DESIGNED TO SORT OF JUST CATER TO THE BUSINESSES, UM, IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

WELL, I THINK THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS IS WE'RE TURNING A, WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A STREET INTO A POCKET PARK OR, OR, OR A GREEN SPACE? UM, I THINK, I THINK BOTH WILL OCCUR.

I THINK IT'LL BE A SPOT FOR BOTH OUR PROJECT AND THE PROJECT NEXT DOOR TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER THROUGH THE GREEN SPACE, BUT THEN IT'S ALSO, UH, AN AREA WHERE FOLKS WILL BE ABLE TO TRANSVERSE BETWEEN FIFTH AND SIXTH THEN IN, THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND KIND OF HANG OUT AND HAVE A PLACE TO, UM, IT'S NOT BASICALLY IT IS CURRENTLY A GREEN SPACE, RIGHT? IT IS CURRENTLY A HILL WITH A, WITH, WITH A FEW TREES.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT A DEVELOPED GREEN SPACE, BUT IT'S A GREEN SPACE.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS THERE ALREADY.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE USE THAT AREA, UM, WHETHER IT'S DEVELOPED OR NOT.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, HOW MUCH THE DESIGN WILL BE KIND OF OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, YOU KNOW, AS TIME PASSES AND YOU HAVE BUSINESSES OCCUPYING THAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TENDENCY SEEMS TO BE, TO SORT OF PRIORITIZE THE USERS OF THOSE BUSINESSES AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL.

WELL, IT, IT WON'T BE WALTER FENCED OFF.

UM, IT'LL BE OPEN AND INVITING AS, AS, UH, AS A PATHWAY RIGHT NOW.

IT'S PRETTY STEEP HILL AND IT'S KIND OF ROUGH WHEN YOU GO OVER THERE NOW AND IT'LL BE EASIER TO PASS THROUGH AND EASIER TO HANG OUT ON.

OKAY.

UM, DO YOU ONLY THIS TIME, BUT WE MAY HAVE MORE OPENINGS AT THE END, SO LET'S SEE.

WE MIGHT NOT TAKE ALL EIGHT.

UH, DO WE HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, MITCH, TYLER.

OKAY.

UM, QUESTION, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO I'M GONNA GO FAST.

FIRST QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UH, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE AREA AROUND, AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A BIT OF BUFFER BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL HOMES LIKE THIS PROPERTY ISN'T RIGHT UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL HOMES OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY AERIAL VIEWS AND, AND, UM, FROM A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS OVER TRUMP SING IN THAT AREA.

SURE.

HEATHER SHOPPING, HOUSING AND PLANNING.

YES.

THIS PROPERTY TO ALL DIRECTIONS BACKS UP TO A MIX OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PARK AND THE ELEMENTARY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND THEN A QUESTION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES.

I BELIEVE WE HAD TWO SPEAKING, SO I DON'T KNOW, WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO FEEL THE QUESTION.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT ALLOWING THE HEIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CREEP CLOSER AND CLOSER AND CLOSER.

UM, AND THE CONCERN THAT THERE MAY NOT BE A LOT OF, UH, GIVE BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IF THIS HEIGHT DENSITY IS ALLOWED.

SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO ALLOW, UH, THE APPLICANTS REQUEST, WHAT WOULD THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST BE? WHAT, WHAT WOULD HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE, SINCE, UH, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING Y'ALL, HAVEN'T GOTTEN MUCH OUT OF IT.

WHAT WOULD HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I GUESS KRISTIN WAS SOMEONE WHO'S SPOKEN.

THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL ON THE LINE TO ANSWER THAT.

I GET THE NAME, CORRECT.

I'M SORRY.

HELLO.

I THINK I'M ON NITA NOW.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SURE.

OF COURSE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THINGS AND FOR ONE, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES CHALLENGING BECAUSE I, I DO UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNDERSTANDS THAT WE DON'T GET TO DICTATE WHAT BUSINESSES CHOOSE, WHAT DEVELOPERS CHOOSE TO DO ON THESE LOTS.

RIGHT.

BUT WE HAVE

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IN THIS MOMENT THAT LIKE TWO PROJECTS TO COMPARE THE CENTRAL EAST PROJECT, WHICH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, APPROVED OF AND WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY, WHICH WAS ALSO A REQUEST FOR 85 FEET.

AND THAT PROJECT CONTINUED TO MEET THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S CONVERSATIONS OF MOVING A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE PROJECT FROM OFFICE TO, UH, TO HOUSING AND TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THEN AGAIN, TO ALSO GO FURTHER WITH THAT AND TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MEET YOUR REQUESTS ALSO TO ENSURE THAT 20% OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ARE ACTUALLY FAMILY-FRIENDLY UNITS.

SO THERE ARE TWO BEDROOMS OR MORE, UM, THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS, IT'S EASIER FOR US TO SAY, OKAY, LIKE WE CAN GET BEHIND THIS, THIS 85 SEAT HERE BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A REAL DIRECT IMPACTS TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WERE MADE BEFORE, AS FAR AS LIKE CONTEXTUALLY DOES 85 SEATS STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB OVER THERE ANYMORE.

NO, NOT REALLY.

IS THAT THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES STILL LIKE, WHAT, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? ONE OF THOSE SORT OF LAST DITCH EFFORTS THAT WE MADE WITH THIS PROJECT WAS TO ASK, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY TO CONCEIVE OF, UM, SOME MARKET RATE RENT OR AFFORDABLE RENT STRUCTURE FOR BUSINESSES THAT COULD COME INTO THE PROJECT? UM, IT WAS MET WITH, WELL, WE HAVEN'T FIGURED IT ALL OUT YET.

SO THERE WASN'T AN THERE WASN'T, UM, SORT OF EVEN AN INTENT TO MAYBE TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT IN ADVANCE.

AND, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS ARE HARD TO FIGURE OUT AHEAD OF TIME, BUT THE CHALLENGE WITH THESE ALWAYS BECOMES, YOU KNOW, I, I, I REVIEWED THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THE REPORT, AND I SEE THAT THEY'VE HIGHLIGHTED, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN THAT IT MEETS.

AND THE THING IS IN THE IMAGINE AUSTIN PLAN THAT IT NEEDS.

AND, UM, THE CHALLENGE IS LIKE, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE 85 FEET TALL TO MEET ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

AND SO UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING COMING BACK, I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS REGARDING THAT POCKET PARK.

I MEAN, AND I THINK THE INSIGHTS ARE SPOT ON LIKE, YES, THERE IS A GREEN SPACE THERE THAT EXISTS, BUT THE REALITY IS IT'S, IT'S HIGHLY SLOPED.

IT BACKS UP TO A, UM, A DRIVE IN A PARKING ALLEY AND A DEAD END ABOVE.

I MEAN, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE PHILIPPINE FISHER'S COMMENTS THERE TOO, ABOUT HOW THAT SPACE WOULD BE UTILIZED AND WOULD IT TRULY BE AN OPEN PUBLIC GREEN SPACE VERSUS SOMETHING THAT GETS EATEN UP BY OTHER BUSINESSES, ET CETERA, BUT THOSE KINDS OF GREEN SPACES AND TREE SPACES, CAUSE THEY CAN SLOPE IT.

THEY CAN TEAR IT, THEY CAN STAIR-STEP IT.

AND WHILE IT MAY NOT BE LIKE A PLAYGROUND PARK PER SE, IT COULD BE A NICE GATHERING SPOT AND A SAFE GATHERING SPOT.

AND THOSE KINDS OF POCKET THINGS IN AROUND OTHER METROPOLITAN CITIES ARE REALLY JUST KIND OF THE GEM IN THE CITY WHEN YOU FIND ONE OF THOSE NICE QUIET SPOTS.

SO I THINK THAT IDEA, BUT OKAY, SO WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT COMMISSIONER, UM, COMMISSIONER SHANE.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M HAVING A LITTLE ISSUE WITH THIS WHOLE FEE AND LEAVE.

I MEAN, WHEN DEVELOPMENTS COME IN AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE, LET'S SAY ACTUALLY BUILDING CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UNITS, AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO COMMIT TO, UH, FOR INSTANCE, X AMOUNT FOR CERTAIN MFI, IT ACTUALLY GETS BUILT RIGHT.

AND ACTUALLY BECOMES PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND IT ADDS TO THE AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY THE, TO THE AREA, WHAT I WOULD, THE CONCERN I HAVE HERE WHEN I HEAR THE FEE AND LEON AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, A 25 FEE IS 60 TO 85.

THAT'S 25 FEET.

THAT'S MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, ONE STORY IT'S LIKE TWO STORIES.

SO JUST DEPENDS WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE MEASURING TOO, BUT WITH ALL THAT EXTRA, I MEAN, HOW IS THIS FEELING CALCULATED? WHEN WAS THIS, WHEN WAS THE VALUE ACTUALLY, UH, CALIBRATED, UM, CAN STAFF ANSWER THAT ON THIS DENSITY BONUS ON WHEN, WHEN THIS NUMBER, HOW, HOW THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVE THROUGH FEE AND LU, UH, HOW IS THAT CALCULATED IN A WAY WITH, WITH WHAT METRICS AND HOW LONG AGO, I MEAN, IS THIS PART OF THE TOD PLAN? AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT KIND OF ATTACKING THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT? I TIME THAT THE FEE AND LOUISE WAS CALCULATED, I KNOW IT IS CALCULATED, UH, RECALCULATED ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND, UH, THAT WAS FROM OUR

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PREVIOUS, UH, DEPARTMENT AND CD THAT, UH, IT'S THE THROUGH RATION TO DETERMINE WHAT THE E YEAH, SORRY, YOU'RE FALLING OUT.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR COMMISSIONER SHAY.

THIS IS RICHARD SUTTLE.

I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP A LITTLE BIT.

THE DENSITY BONUS IS ACTUALLY CALCULATED ON SQUARE FEET.

SO WHILE YOU TECHNICALLY COULD GET TWO FLOORS UNDER TWENTY-FIVE FEET, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THE MODERN FLORIDA CEILING HEIGHTS.

WE ADDED ADDITIONAL FOOT, BUT THE KEY TO THE CALCULATING, THE DENSITY BONUSES, THE FLORIDA AREA RATIO BUMP OF GOING FROM TWO TO FOUR, AND THAT'S HOW IT IS CALCULATED.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN THE VALUES, WHEN WAS THAT REVISE? THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT IT IS BASED ON THE ACTUAL FLOOR AREA.

I'M JUST STATING THAT IT, WHATEVER THE PROPORTION IS, IS EVALUATED BY THE CITY.

UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS, BUT EVERY FEW YEARS IT IS EVALUATED BY THE CITY AND RECALCULATED AND IT'S CURRENTLY AT $12.

CORRECT.

AND HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SITTING AT $12 TOO LONG? I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, PRETTY MUCH, UH, W WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS RIGHT NOW, WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S COSTING SO MUCH MORE TO BUILD THESE DAYS.

RIGHT.

UM, AFFORDABILITY IS GETTING MORE DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN YET IF OUR VALUATIONS ARE STILL STUCK FROM YEARS AGO OR EVEN TWO YEARS AGO, I'M SORRY.

IT'S A DIFFERENT MARKET.

AND SOMEHOW WHEN, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUILD IT, AND THEN YOU GIVE IT, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY IS, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE PRODUCT AT THEIR PRICE AND STILL BRING IT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE MARKET AT THE GOAL OF WHATEVER MFI THEY'RE TARGETING.

BUT IN THIS CASE HERE, IF THAT NUMBER ISN'T ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO MEET THAT SAME TYPE OF METRICS OF ACTUALLY SOMETHING BEING BUILT, THEN, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND THE CURVE OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING ON THE MARKET.

BUT MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS, I MEAN, MILLION BUCKS DOESN'T GO VERY FAR, YOU KNOW, UM, ESPECIALLY TODAY.

UM, SO I MEAN, I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT.

I MEAN, APPRECIATE THAT THE POCKET PART, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN THERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, PART WAS WANTING TO DEVELOP IT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND MAINTAIN A CERTAIN POINT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR DOING THAT AT SOME POINT, IF YOU DIDN'T DO IT, SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I AGREE WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I WISH THERE'S SOMETHING MORE THAT WE COULD, UH, GIVE BACK, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT THE, THE COST OF HOUSING THESE DAYS NOW, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, TO STAFF ABOUT THE WHOLE PARKING SITUATION.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THAT, AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WITH ANY TYPE OF TDM, ANY TRAFFIC DEMAND MANAGEMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING, YOU KNOW, SHOWERS OR THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE SHOWERS ARE GOING TO BE, UH, BIKE PARKING, ANY TYPE OF RIDE SHARE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS THAT PART OF IT IS THE STAFF CAN BE EVALUATING THAT, UM, IN THIS NEXT PROCESS, HEATHER CHAPLAIN, HOUSING AND PLANNING, THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT WE ARE TYPICALLY ALLOWED TO REGULATE AT TIME OF ZONING, UNLESS IT'S THE PUD ZONING CASE.

BUT, UM, THIS PROPERTY BEING IN THE CENTRAL CITY AND BEING INSIDE THE TOD IS ALLOWED A PARKING REDUCTION.

AND, UM, AS FAR AS REQUIRING NUMBERS OF PARKING SPACES FOR BIKES OR SHOWERS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THAT'S BEYOND WHAT WE CAN DO IN AS ZONING ORDINANCE COMMISSIONER SHAY.

THIS IS RICHARD.

UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, AND YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS, GOING UP, DEVELOPERS ARE GENERALLY LOOKING TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE PARKING TO THE EXTENT THEY CAN, BECAUSE FRANKLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT COST-EFFECTIVE TO BUILD PARKING.

SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN BE ASSURED THERE WILL BE CONSIDERATION FOR TDM AND TRYING TO GET THE PARKING DOWN SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BUILD IT.

AND THEN ONE MORE THING, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THE $12 BECAUSE THE LAW DEPARTMENT GETS VERY ANXIOUS WHEN WE TRY TO OFFER MORE.

SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS OFFER DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK AS PART OF A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, AS OPPOSED TO JUST LEAVING IT A SLOPED HILL THAT REALLY PEOPLE CAN ENJOY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UH, THIS TIME, UH, COMMISSIONER WITH THE QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER COX, I I'VE JUST BEEN LISTENING INTENTLY BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE KIND OF POKED IN PLACES WHERE I

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PROBABLY WILL CONTINUE TO POKE, UM, THE, THE MILLION DOLLARS.

I MEAN, MILLION DOLLARS WILL BUY YOU WHAT ONE SINGLE FAMILY, LOT SOMEWHERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY AFFORDABLE UNITS YOU CAN PACK ON THAT, UH, WITH, WITH THAT.

SO THAT, AND THEN THE ISSUE WITH THE POCKET PART, I'M TRYING TO JUSTIFY IN MY MIND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THAT THE DEVELOPER'S GETTING.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO CONTINUE ASKING ABOUT THAT COMMISSIONER CONNOLLY WAS SAYING WAS, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARIEL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, WHERE THAT LINEAR PLAZA THING GOES ALL THE WAY TO FOURTH STREET, MUCH OF THAT SPACE IS TAKEN UP BY BASICALLY OUTDOOR RESTAURANT SPACE.

ACTUALLY THE MAJORITY OF THE WIDTH IS TAKEN UP BY OUTDOOR RESTAURANT SEATING.

UM, AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT OF MR. SUTTLE IS, IS, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING SOMETHING SIMILAR, OR ARE YOU ABLE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT, THAT FULL WIDTH BETWEEN YOUR PROPOSED BUILDING AND THE EXISTING APARTMENT BUILDING WOULD BE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, OR IS HALF OF IT, OR A THIRD OF IT THAT WITH GOING TO BE TAKEN UP BY PRIVATE RETAIL SERVICE STUFF.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THESE RENDERINGS, AND WE MARKED THEM CONCEPTUAL THAT THE TABLES AND CHAIRS WERE JUST THERE TO SHOW THE PEOPLE'S SPACE.

WE CAN, WE COULD NEGOTIATE THAT THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, WHERE THAT COULD BE OPENED.

IT IS ALL OPEN SPACE.

THESE TABLES AND CHAIRS WERE IN NO WAY MEANT TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMMANDEERED BY THE RESTAURANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THE, THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE INTENT IS TO TAKE, WHAT'S BASICALLY OLD RIGHT AWAY.

THAT IS JUST NOT VERY USABLE AND, AND TERRACE IT DOWN AND MAKE IT A GATHERING SPOT FOR EVERYBODY.

AND WERE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THAT THE LAW DEPARTMENT IS SQUISHY ABOUT YOU TRYING TO OFFER UP MORE TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND.

UM, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER IDEAS THAT YOU, YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD COME UP WITH.

IF YOU WERE WILLING TO OFFER MORE MONEY TO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND FOR THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THAN WHAT THE CITY IS REQUIRING, THEN IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE YOU'VE GOT A POCKET OF MONEY THAT YOU CAN POTENTIALLY SPEND ON ANOTHER GOOD CAUSE IN THIS AREA.

IS THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU DISCUSSED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, OR JUST, JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY JUST SWEETEN THE DEAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THIS ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

NOTHING THAT WE COULD COMMIT TO TONIGHT.

WE DID THE, THE IDEA THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAME UP WITH OF AFFORDABLE OFFICE SPACE WAS INTRIGUING.

THE REASON THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO COMMIT TO THAT IS BECAUSE AS YOU GET INTO TRYING TO GET THESE PROJECTS DESIGNED AND THEN, UM, PRICED OUT AND THEN FINANCED AND ALL IS THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T ON THE FRONT END LIMIT YOUR, YOUR RENT AND YOUR REVENUE SOURCE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO WORK GOING IN.

YOU THINK THEY WILL, BUT, UH, WE JUST COULDN'T LIMIT IT ON THAT.

SO WE WERE OPEN TO OTHER IDEAS, THE, THE, THE OTHERS TO TALK ABOUT, BUT THE ADDITIONAL SPACE OR THE ADDITIONAL HAIFA LOUSY EXTRA FLOOR AND THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY DENSITY BONUS, BUT IT ALSO INCREASES THE BASICALLY ASSESS VALUATION THAT WILL INCREASE THE TAX REVENUE.

AND THAT ALSO GETS PUT INTO THE GENERAL POT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE, BUT IT'S IT'S FOR ALL OF US.

AND, AND THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING.

YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANT, I HAVEN'T HELPED.

WE HADN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.

UM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON IS THAT THE, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DID TAKE UP THIS ISSUE OF THE CM LOO AND WHAT THE RATES ARE, AND THEY ARE ACTIVELY, UM, LOOKING AT IT.

THEY LOOKED AT IT IN MAY.

UM, AND THE LAST TIME THE RATES HAVE CHANGED WAS 2013.

SO YOU GUYS ARE SPOT ON IN TERMS OF HOW OUT-OF-STATE THEY ARE.

UM, AS FAR AS THE MILLION DOLLARS GOES, THERE ARE LOCAL, UM, ORGANIZATIONS, THE GUADALUPE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FOR ONE THAT CAN TAKE A MILLION DOLLARS AND PUT, UH, OLDER HOUSES AND RENOVATE HOUSES AND HAS DONE PLANS WHERE THEY PUT 2, 3, 4 KIND OF DUPLEX TYPE PROJECTS ON A LOT LIKE THAT, PROBABLY FOR A BUDGET OF AROUND THAT.

SO IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT IT GETS TRICKY WHEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE THOSE, IF THOSE FUNDS GO DIRECTLY INTO FAMILY VERSUS TRYING TO PUT THEM INTO A, A PRIVATE PROJECT.

AND I THINK WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO SKIN THAT CAT, UM, AND THEN THE AFFORDABLE OFFICE SPACE.

ONE, I THINK THAT JUST BECOMES, THAT BECOMES, AGAIN, A CHALLENGE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

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UM, AND YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO YOUR OFFICE BUILDING UNLESS IT'S 85 FEET WHEN THE TOD WAS DESIGNED FOR 60 FOOT BUILDINGS.

AND THAT WAS WHAT THE DENSITY WAS FOR.

AND I'M LESS INTERESTED IN THE FORMAL OFFICE SPACE, BUT I THINK AFFORDABLE RETAIL SPACE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SEE SO MANY SMALLER BUSINESSES, LITTLE BREW, BREW SHOPS, WHATEVER, UH, HAVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE THE RENTS JUST GET TOO HIGH.

SO I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER SOME SORT OF PLAN LIKE THAT TO TRY TO SWEETEN THE DEAL, BUT I'LL DEAL WITH MY TIME.

YEP.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER COX, UM, JUST AN ALL COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

SO I GUESS, CAN I GET SOME CLARITY? I DIDN'T KNOW IF DID, DID THE APPLICANTS SAY EXACTLY WHAT, HOW MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD GO INTO FEE AND LOU? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE SQUARE FEET AREN'T FINALIZED YET, BUT I GUESS IT'S BETWEEN 900,000 IN A MILLION.

OKAY.

AND, UH, ABOUT THE PARKING IS THE PARKING THAT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE OUT OF OFFICE HOURS.

WOULD THAT BE AVAILABLE TO THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE? THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I DON'T KNOW, ANSWER TO GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, PARKING, PARKING GARAGES ARE OPEN, UM, AT LEAST FOR ME AT DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEN I GUESS I HAD A QUESTION FOR SOMEONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND JUST KIND OF ABOUT WHAT, WHAT OUTREACH THERE WAS TO CAUSE THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN APARTMENTS WITH, WITHIN A STONE'S THROW OF, OF THAT POCKET PARK AND WHAT, WHAT OUTREACH THERE WAS TO THOSE RESIDENTS TO SEE IF THERE WAS PERCEIVED BENEFIT TO THOSE NEIGHBORS.

SURE.

JEFF CURRENTLY THAT SPECIFIC SECTOR DOES NOT HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE.

UM, THAT SAID THERE WAS A CITY LED MEETING A FEW MONTHS BACK REGARDING THIS PROJECT AND THE CENTER EAST PROJECT THAT HAD, UM, A LARGE AMOUNT OF PARTICIPATION AND ALL THE NOTES FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS, I BELIEVE ARE IN THE REPORT THAT YOU GUYS RECEIVED.

UM, AND I WOULD SAY THE FEEDBACK WAS MIXED OF FOLKS THAT WERE KIND OF ASKING WHY, WHY ISN'T THIS A GOOD THING, AND FOLKS THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, UM, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO, UM, I WOULD SAY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THAT PARK SPACE.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.

SEE, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT, THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TEAM DIDN'T MAKE THAT LITTLE EXTRA EFFORT TO REACH OUT.

I'M GOING TO JUST LOOK LOOKING AT YOUR BYLAWS.

IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE EIGHT REPRESENTATIVES ON THE TEAM FOR OWNER RESIDENTS AND ONE REPRESENTATIVE ON THE TEAM FOR RENTERS.

AND YET LOOKING AT CENSUS DATA, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 63% OF THE RESIDENCES ARE RENTAL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEY ALL WITHIN THE LAST, THEY ALL WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, AND THEY'RE ALL IN SECTOR EIGHT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT WRONG.

AND LIKE I SAID, UNFORTUNATELY AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, WE DO NOT HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE IN SECTOR EIGHT.

WE DO UTILIZE, UM, WE HAVEN'T KEPT UP WITH, UH, REGULAR MEETINGS AND ZOOM MEETINGS.

WE DO POST ON NEXT DOOR.

WE DO, UM, WE DO EVERY, AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO ENGAGE FOLKS.

UM, THE CENSUS NUMBERS HAVE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN ABOUT THAT FOR ABOUT THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS.

SO, UM, BUT IT IS CHANGING.

YES.

OH, OKAY.

MAJORITY OF RENTERS, JUST LIKE THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIKE THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND MAJORITY RENTERS RICHARD IN OUR OUTREACH.

WE FIND ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T THINK THE PARK WAS A GOOD IDEA.

EVERYBODY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

NOBODY THINKS THE PARK'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS PART, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE THING THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP VERY WELL IS, IS HOW, UM, WHAT THE SLOPE OF THAT PARK, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE ACTUALLY TO MAKE THAT PARK ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT KIND OF THAT THOROUGHFARE FROM THE PARK UP TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET.

AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE UP THERE.

I BELIEVE THE SLOPE ON THAT SITE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE.

IT'S SUCH THAT IF, IF WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE ALL THE WAY THROUGH, YOU'D HAVE TO

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EFFECTIVELY RAMP MOST OF THE PARK.

UM, ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT, WITH THAT PARK BEING KIND OF A PUBLIC ASSET.

AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME BENEFITS THAT COULD OCCUR LIKE A PUBLIC, LIKE A, LIKE A POCKET PARK, LIKE THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ON, ON CONGRESS.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE.

IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF, IS IT A POCKET PARK OR IS IT A PUBLIC SPACE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

THANKS.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

THAT BRINGS US UP TO SIX.

WE HAVE TWO MORE SPOTS.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LET COMMISSIONER CONLEY SEEMS LIKE YOU HAD SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

UH, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU A SPOT TO GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND I THINK MY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS WERE LARGELY ALREADY COVERED BY, UM, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

UM, BUT I DID WANT TO KIND OF FINISH ASKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THAT, THE QUESTION OF THE REPRESENTATION, UM, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT TEAM AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, I THINK THIS IS A CITYWIDE CONCERN THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT TEAMS REALLY JUST SIMPLY DO NOT REPRESENT THE RENTERS AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE RENTERS ARE JUST LEFT OUT OF THAT PROCESS.

BUT I WAS WONDERING, UM, IF THERE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE IS ANY IDEA, UM, OR HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION AT ALL, UM, WITH THE RENTERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, FROM THE PARTS THAT YOU SAID WERE NOT REPRESENTED IN THE CONTACT TEAM, WOULD YOU KNOW, SORRY, THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE.

SURE.

OF COURSE, OF COURSE.

UM, OUTSIDE OF, OF OUR SORT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WE DO THROUGH, LIKE I SAID, THROUGH OUR WEBSITE THROUGH NEXT DOOR, THROUGH A FACEBOOK GROUP, UM, AND THE FOLKS THAT SHOW UP AT OUR MEETINGS, UM, AT THIS POINT, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE NOT ON LIKE YOU GUYS AT TIMES STRUGGLING TO MEET QUORUM AND TRYING TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE AS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUES TO ADAPT AND CHANGE AND GROW.

SO, UM, OUTSIDE THOSE TYPICAL PLATFORMS, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TALKING ABOUT IT AND, AND NOT SHOWING UP AT OUR MEETINGS AND MAYBE THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED.

I'M NOT SURE.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY MY QUESTION, HAS THERE BEEN, UM, ANY ATTACK, SO I'M GUESSING I PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTAND THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN INTENTIONAL AND INTENTIONAL PROCESS TO REACH OUT TO THE RENTERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WHO LIVE ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A TARGETED, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A TARGETED CAMPAIGN TO THE RENTERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ACCURATE.

YES.

OKAY.

SO WE REALLY, WE KNOW WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL ABOUT THE PROPERTY, BUT WE DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT THE RENTERS FEEL.

UM, AND THE RENTERS LIVE IN.

AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS A CITY LED, THERE WAS A CITY LED MEETING ABOUT BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT.

AND I THINK THE CITY HAS MUCH BETTER RESOURCES AND FURTHER REACH AND WAYS TO MAIL ALL OF THE, THOSE RESIDENTS.

I DON'T HAVE THE EMAIL ADDRESSES OF ALL THOSE RESIDENTS.

I DON'T ALWAYS HAVE A WAY TO, UM, COMMIT THE PRIZE, PRETTY MANAGERS TO DIRECT EMAILS TO ALL THOSE FOLKS.

SO THERE WAS A CITY LED MEETING.

THERE WAS MORE PARTICIPATION FROM RENTERS AT THOSE MEETINGS.

AND I THINK THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE IN YOUR NOTES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO THIS IS A QUESTION THEN TO STAFF, WOULD STAFF BE ABLE TO TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT, UM, HOW WELL-REPRESENTED THE RENTERS WERE IN THOSE MEETINGS IN THE CITY LED MEETINGS OR, OR IF OUTREACH WAS DONE ABOUT THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY TO THE RENTERS, HEATHER CHAFFIN, HOUSING AND PLANNING, I CANNOT SPEAK TO HOW MANY PEOPLE PARTICIPATED IN THE MEETINGS, BUT WE DO SEND OUT NOTICES TO ANYONE WHO HAS A UTILITY ACCOUNT.

SO THAT IS THE RENTERS.

THE RENTERS DON'T HAVE UTILITY ACCOUNTS.

THEN IF THE RENTERS DON'T HAVE, IF THEIR UTILITY IS BUNDLED IN AS IS THE CASE WITH MANY RENTAL UNITS, THEN THEY PROBABLY DID NOT RECEIVE NOTIFICATION OF IT.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THIS IS MY FALTERS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH.

OKAY.

SORRY.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL IF YOU CAN'T OR NOT.

UH, THIS IS MARK WALTERS, UH, HOUSING PLANNING.

WE HAVE A STATUTORY OF THE REQUIRED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT MEETING THAT WAS ATTENDED.

I AGAIN ABOUT, UH, SAY 20, SOME ODD PEOPLE