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OKAY.

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IT IS 6:01 PM

[Independent Citizen’s Redistricting Commission]

AND WE HAVE NINE OUT OF 14 COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

SO WE HAVE A FORUM.

LET ME GET STARTED.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THE INDEPENDENT CITIZENS REDISTRICTING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER THIS WEDNESDAY, JULY 14TH.

AND MATT, CAN YOU PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL? YOU BET.

SO READY? JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY HERE.

SO WE GOT AN AUDIO AND A VISUAL, UH, COMMISSIONER CANNON MORRIS HERE.

PARDON? SCHNEIDER? NO DEMPSEY HERE.

GONZALEZ HERE, LANDS LEE CAMPBELL CALLED HER ON THE BLANK HERE AND THEN FALCONE HERE.

THANK YOU, MATT.

CAN YOU ALSO PLEASE TAKE US THROUGH TODAY'S AGENDA? YOU BET.

THANK YOU.

BYE, SIR.

COULD YOU LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE NOW, MATT.

OKAY.

SO THE MEETING GOAL FOR TODAY, PREPARING FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS TOMORROW, THURSDAY, JUNE 15TH, AT 6:00 PM AND CITY HALL, UH, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY'S SIGNED UP, BUT I SEE A FEW FOLKS THAT ARE ON SOME.

I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK, UM, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

ITEM ONE, ITEM TWO NEW BUSINESS, A PRESENTATION FROM DR.

HENRY FLORES B PRESENTATION ON CURRENT DISTRICT MAKEUP, SEE UPDATE FROM PUBLIC HEARINGS, WORKING GROUP, UH, C1, PHOTON PROPOSED PUBLIC HEARING DATES SAY TWO DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC HEARING STRUCTURE.

THEY UPDATE FROM COMMUNICATIONS WORKING GROUP, A UPDATE FROM FINANCE.

SO COMMITTEE AND THEN F ON FACE FROM CITY ONE UPDATE ON PUBLIC HEARING LOGISTICS TO UPDATE OUR EMPLOYEE CONTRACT TEMPLATE.

THANK YOU, MATT.

AND, UM, EVERYBODY, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE USING A DIFFERENT FORMAT THAN WE HAVE BEFORE WE'RE ON ZOOM THIS EVENING.

AND, UM, AND SO CITIZEN MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, NOT, UM, COULD YOU MAYBE EXPLAIN TO YOUR BEST UNDERSTANDING HOW WE WILL NAVIGATE THIS TODAY? UH, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, YOU BET.

SO I DIDN'T SEE THAT ANY FOLKS THAT SIGNED UP, UM, BUT I MIGHT'VE, I MIGHT'VE MISSED SOMETHING.

I SEE A FEW FOLKS ON, UM, IT'D BE THE SAME PROCEDURES AND NORMAL MEETING IN PERSON OR THROUGH WEBEX OR EACH SPEAKER WILL GET THREE MINUTES TO TALK ON ANY AGENDA, ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.

UM, I MIGHT JUST ASK IF IT'S OKAY RIGHT NOW, IF ANYBODY WANTED TO SPEAK TO OUR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, YOU MIGHT JUST CHIME IN.

I'M JUST HERE TO WATCH MATT THIS TIME.

OKAY.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

THAT SEEMS LIKE AN INSANE THING.

SO, UM, I GUESS WHAT'S THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY FOLKS SIGNED UP FOR ASSISTED COMMUNICATION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM ONE, APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 7TH MEETING.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A MOMENT TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES.

YOU SHOULD HAVE THEM IN YOUR EMAILS.

COOL.

UM, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER COMBO.

UM, I, BEFORE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, I NOTICED THAT I'VE RECEIVED SOME MEETING ITEMS IN MY DELETED ITEMS FOLDER.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HAPPENED TO ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I NOTICED EVEN LAST MEETING, UM, SOME OF THE AGENDA ITEMS JUST TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE DELETED ITEMS. SO I DID NOT SEE THEM IN ADVANCE.

I SEE A COMMISSIONER FALCONE ALSO NODDING HER HEAD.

IS THAT THE CASE FOR YOU AS WELL? YES.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

COMMISSIONER CAMBA

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THAT ALLOWED ME TO LOCATE THEM IMMEDIATELY.

UM, AS WELL.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU DELETE THE MEETING INVITATION, ANYTHING THAT IS REPLIED TO ON THAT WILL ALSO GO TO YOUR TRASH.

YOU, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT GOOD EDUCATION FOR EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.

UH, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? OKAY.

IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED UNDER NEW BUSINESS ITEM TWO A IS THE PRESENTATION FROM DR.

HENRY FLORES ON THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS EVENING.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, UM, AND THE TECHNOLOGICAL CHALLENGES TO JUST THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US THIS EVENING.

AND, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO SHARE OUR SCREEN OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE YOURS? UM, GO AHEAD AND SHOOT YOU.

YOU Y'ALL ARE THE ADMINISTRATORS GO AHEAD AND SHARE YOUR SCREEN? SURE.

AND THEN YOU CAN JUST SAY NEXT, WHEN YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

IS THAT WORK? OKAY.

UM, MATT, IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU? IF YOU SHARE YOUR SCREEN, SORRY.

YOU'RE MUTED.

YEAH.

LET ME LOOK AT THAT FILE AND I'LL PULL IT UP.

OH, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THAT'S JUST WHO I AM.

UM, THERE'S SOME REASONS FOR, WELL, THANK YOU FIRST FALL FOR INVITING ME TO SPEAK AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'M THE BEST QUALIFIED PERSON TO DO IT FOR MATTER OF FACT, SITTING ON IN THE AUDIENCE THERE IS, IS, UH, UH, ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT, THAT WAS THE FOUNDATION OF BRINGING SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS TO THE STATE OF TEXAS.

MR. KORBEL WAS THE LEAD ATTORNEY AND, UH, QUITE DEREGISTER WHAT, WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? GEORGIA? 19 74, 71 71.

AND, UM, IT WAS, UM, DALLAS AND, UH, HARRIS COUNTY AND NO HAIR DALLAS AND BEAR COUNTY.

AND, UM, UM, THEY WON THE CASE AND THE SUPREME COURT MANDATED SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS FOR THOSE, FOR THE STATE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS THAT HAD LIVED THROUGH OTHER KINDS OF DECISIONS.

IT WORKED ITS WAY DOWN TO, TO, UM, VARIOUS JURISDICTIONS THAT, UH, HAD A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF, OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, PROTECTED GROUPS LIVING WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION, SUCH AS AFRICAN-AMERICANS OR HISPANICS, HISPANICS WERE ADDED.

AND, AND, AND, UH, LATER IN TWO, UH, 1974, UM, AND, UH, UNDER SECTION 2 0 3 OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, UM, WHAT IT'S BASED ON IS, UM, THE CENSUS AS THE ONLY CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE FOR THE CENSUS IS FOR REAPPORTIONMENT.

UM, THE FRAMERS, UM, DECIDED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO THAT THE WAY THEY WERE GOING TO BREAK UP OR DESIGN CONGRESS WAS ON A, ON A POPULATION BASIS WAS TO AS TRUE REPRESENTATION WAS DEVELOPER SOME SORT OF RATIO OF A, OF A, OF A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

I THINK IT STARTED OUT ORIGINALLY WITH ONE TO 30,000 OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, AND EVENTUALLY REACHED 435 REPRESENTATIVES AND THEY KEPT BUILDING THE CAPITOL LARGER.

AND THEY FINALLY DECIDED THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP ADDING REPRESENTATIVES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD A MEGAPLEX TO HOLD THEM ALL.

SO THEY FLIPPED UP THE, THE RATIO OVER AND, UH, WENT FROM, MADE IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

IT KEPT THE PERMANENT NUMBER OF 435.

AND THEN BASED ON EACH STATE'S TOTAL POPULATION DEVELOPED THROUGH THE, EVERY DECENNIAL CENSUS, THE, UM, THE, UH, DISTRICTS WERE, UH, THE NUMBER OF SEATS WERE REALLOCATED EVERY YEAR FOR EVERY STATE.

SO THE STATES THAT INCREASED IN POPULATION RECEIVED ADDITIONAL CONGRESSIONAL SEATS, THOSE THAT, THAT DECREASED IN POPULATION, UH, LOST THE CEDAR TO, SO EVERYTHING THAT EVERY 10 YEARS THAT'S CALLED REAPPORTIONMENT.

SO THEY REDISTRIBUTE THE SEATS ACCORDINGLY.

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UM, SO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I SAID.

THEY'RE NOT FOR THE CALM UNITED STATES CONGRESS IT'S THERE.

THE RATIO'S GOTTA BE PERFECT.

SO THERE'S GOTTA BE EXACTLY THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN EVERY UNITED STATES, CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, BUT FOR OTHER TYPES OF SUB JURISDICTIONS, THE SUPREME COURT IS AS, UH, DEEMED THAT HE HAS GIVEN A DIP DEVIATION OF, OF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN PLAY WITH.

IT GIVES YOU ROOM TO PLAY WITH YOUR DISTRICTS SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE PERFECT EXACT NUMBER IN EVERY DISTRICT.

YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO, TO HAVE A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY THERE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UM, SO THAT'S IT, YOU HAVE YOUR TOTAL C POPULATION DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS THAT DETERMINES YOUR POPULATION PER DISTRICT.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAPS AND I GUESS THE, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT CAME WITH THE MINUTES.

UM, I PRESUME MR. KORBEL IS GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT MAP, BUT I NOTICED THAT THE TARGET FOR EACH CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT IS 79,783.

UM, SO THAT'S HOW THAT RATIO IS DETERMINED.

I'M SURE.

AND, UH, HE'LL SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF THAT FROM HERE ON OUT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THE DISTRICTS ARE NOT PERFECT.

SOME ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN SEVEN INTO THE 79,000 TARGET AND SOME ARE A LITTLE BIT LESS.

AND SO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON AND DETERMINE IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR NEEDS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR DECISION.

AND THEN I GUESS LATER COUNCIL, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS WHAT AUSTIN LOOKS LIKE GENERALLY NOW.

UM, THE, UH, IN 2000, YOUR POP SEED POPULATION STOOD AT AT 6 89, 7 0 1.

IT INCREASED BY 13.7% IN 2010.

AND BY 2019, ACCORDING TO THE ACS AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, UM, IT INCREASED ANOTHER 18.5%.

SO NINE YEARS, UM, IT REALLY, REALLY EXPLODED AND I I'M SURE IT'S OVER A MILLION NOW.

UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH ONE OF THE REASONS FOR REAPPORTIONMENT AND REDISTRICTING IS THESE POPULATION NUMBERS, UH, IN, PARTICULARLY IN A CITY LIKE, LIKE AUSTIN THAT HAS BECOME A ECONOMIC DYNAMO, UM, AND A TARGET FOR IT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING THERE AND BUSINESSES MOVING THERE.

AND A LOT OF JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND SO FORTH, YOUR POPULATION IS JUST GOING TO EXPLODE AND GET BIGGER AND BIGGER.

SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WATCH THE REAPPORTIONMENT VERY CAREFULLY BECAUSE EACH DISTRICT CAN GET OUT OF ALIGNMENT VERY FAST AND MOVE BEYOND THAT, THAT 10% THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO, UM, YOUR BASIC PROBLEM REALLY IN AUSTIN IS YOUR POPULATION HAS JUST EXPLODED JUST PROBABLY FASTER THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS FOR CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT AS A 2010.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY DATA WE HAVE, UH, BECAUSE Y'ALL, HAVEN'T REALLY, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DATA FOR 2020, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, AND THERE'S BEEN NO APPROVAL OF ANY NEW DISTRICTS YET, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IN 2010, EACH DISTRICT, ALMOST EVERY DISTRICT GREW SOME MORE THAN OTHERS, UH, AND ONLY DISTRICT NINE LOST POPULATION.

UM, AND LOOK AT DISTRICT SIX EXPLODED 51.1% INCREASE SO MANY JUST, UH, JUST HUGE NUMBERS IN SOME PLACES, BUT SOME ROADS REMAIN RELATIVELY THE SAME DISTRICT FOR NOW.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH AUSTIN.

SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHO LIVES IN THESE DISTRICTS, RIGHT? I'VE GOT A GENERAL FEEL FOR ROUGH PERCENTAGES OF DIFFERENT RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUPS IN THE DISTRICTS.

BUT IF YOU TELL ME IF YOU PUT ME ON SIXTH STREET OR THIRD STREET OR CAPITOL OR WHATEVER IT IS, I WOULDN'T, I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT DISTRICT I'D BE IN.

CAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW AUSTIN THAT WELL, BUT THESE ARE FROM DATA.

SO, UH, IT'S AVAILABLE.

UH, SO EXCUSE THE NOISE, MY CLOTHES DRYERS GOING IN THE BACKGROUND.

UM, UM, AND SO THAT'S IT THE NEXT TIME PLEASE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AS FAR AS MINORITY POPULATION IN THE CITY, THE WHOLE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NON-HISPANIC WHITE POPULATION OR THE ANGLO POPULATION GROW MODERATELY BETWEEN 20, 20 10.

AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR THIS, THIS CENSUS YET.

UM, THE BLACK POPULATION ACTUALLY DECREASED THE LIT LITTLE BIT ALSO MODERATELY

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THE HISPANIC POPULATION GREW BY 25% AND ASIAN POPULATION GREW BY 38.9%.

SO THOSE ARE OUR TWO LARGEST GROWTH POPULATIONS.

UM, UH, AS A NOTE ON THE SIDE SAYS, UH, THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PROJECTION FOR 2019, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT AUSTIN MAY BE A MINORITY MAJORITY CITY AFTER THE 2020 CENSUS IS RELEASED.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK CAREFULLY AT HOW YOUR DISTRICTS ARE, ARE DESIGNED.

UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO I GUESS YOUR DECISIONS TO BE MADE AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, AND YOU HAVE SOME VERY GOOD TALENT AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO THINK ABOUT THIS, AND THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

UM, YOU CAN REDRAW YOUR DISTRICTS USING THE NEW POPULATION RATIOS GENERALLY.

UM, THE PEOPLE WHO READ THE, DO THE ACTUAL DRAWING OF THE DISTRICTS OR THE ATTORNEYS, BECAUSE THE DISTRICT LINES ARE LEGAL MATTERS.

AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USUALLY GENERALLY THEY'RE OVERSEEN BY THE COURTS.

AND SO THE LAWYERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING THE WAY THE LINES ARE DRAWN AND IF, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE THE POPULATION RATIOS ARE APPROPRIATE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UH, SO THEY'LL, SO THEY'LL ALIGN TO THE LAW TECHNICIANS LIKE MYSELF OR OTHERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS BUSINESS.

SO WE JUST PROVIDE THE NUMBERS IN THE RESEARCH, BUT IT'S REALLY THE, THE LAWYERS AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE OR CITY COUNCIL, THE ELECTED OFFICERS THAT MAKE THE FINAL DECISIONS ON THESE THINGS.

SO THAT'S ONE OPTION.

YOU CAN REDRAW ALL THE DISTRICTS USING NEW POPULATION RATIOS, OR YOU CAN LEAVE THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES AS THEY ARE.

AND ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES AS YOU MAY GET SUED BECAUSE OF THEY'RE OUT OF PROPORTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, SOME GROUP MAY GET UPSET AND FEEL THAT THEY'RE BEING UNDERREPRESENTED AND THEY'LL COME AND, AND PETITION YOU TO, TO MAKE CHANGES.

AND IF YOU DON'T MAKE THE CHANGES, THEN YOU COULD GET HIT WITH A, UH, A VOTING RIGHTS LAWSUIT, UM, OR A CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT BECAUSE IT'S, UH, THE ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE MANDATE IS NOT IN THE VOTING RIGHTS LAW.

IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION ON OUR, UH, ARTICLE, UH, THE 14TH AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO BE DEALING WITH.

YOU CAN ADD MORE DISTRICTS.

YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THAT.

IF YOU FEEL THAT YOUR, THAT THE POPULATION RATIO IS TOO LARGE AND NOT MANAGEABLE BY THE NUMBER BY, BY, UH, 10 CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND CAN'T GET THE RIGHT PROPORTIONS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL DISTRICTS AND TRY TO RECONFIGURE THOSE.

UM, YOU CAN GO TO, UM, THE FOURTH OPTION IS YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM AND GO MIX.

MAYBE HAVE A COUPLE OF AT-LARGE DISTRICTS COMBINED WITH SOME SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS OR AN AT-LARGE PLACE SYSTEM.

UM, THAT LATTER ONE THOUGH IN AUSTIN, UM, MIGHT DRAW, UH, VOTING RIGHTS OR CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT AS, AS MIKE, UH, MIXED THAT LARGE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

BUT I'VE SEEN THOSE AS, UH, I'VE SEEN THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE FIRST ONE, THE MIXED DISTRICT BECOME MORE OF A, A SETTLEMENT TYPE OF, UM, OUTCOME WHEN IT COMES TO ANY KIND OF, UM, TENSIONS BETWEEN, UH, VOTING ACTIVISTS AND ELECTED BODIES.

SO, UM, THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS YOU COULD, YOU COULD, UM, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO OTHER OPTIONS, BUT I MEAN, YOU COULD, IF YOU GO TO THAT TO THE AT-LARGE SYSTEM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK OF, UM, A VOTING SYSTEM LIKE NEW YORK JUST WENT THROUGH, UM, UM, THAT WOULD BE MORE, MORE PUT EQUAL WEIGHT ON EVERY VOTE.

AND SO IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO, UM, TO CALCULATE AND THE COMPUTER ALGORITHMS TAKE TIME TO RUN, TO REALLOCATE VOTES OF ALL THE, OTHER OF ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES TO THE WINNERS, BUT EVENTUALLY, UM, UH, YOU'D HAVE A MUCH MORE CLEAR CUT WINNER AND, AND THE VOTERS WOULD FEEL LIKE THEIR VOTES HAVE COUNTED BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF THEM IS PLACED ACCORDINGLY.

UM, SO THAT'S GENERALLY IT.

UM, AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER ANYTHING YOU HAVE, MS. CALDERON, HEY PROFESSOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD MAYBE SHED SOME LIGHT ON HOW THE

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GRAPHS, HOW THE STIPULATIONS FOR LIKE A HISPANIC, SPECIFICALLY IN TEXAS AND SPANISH LANGUAGE HAS EVOLVED WITH THE BRA AS THE BRA HAS KIND OF, OR THE PARTS OF THE VRA THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING HAVE EVOLVED AS WELL.

UM, AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT THINK WE, UH, WE'RE IN FOR HERE.

UM, WITH REGARD TO THAT SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, I BECAME A, UH, AN EXPERT WITNESS IN VOTING RIGHTS IN 1985 OR SIX, AND THE ATTORNEY WHO TOOK ME UNDER HIS WING AND SHOWED ME HOW TO BECOME AN EXPERT, ACTUALLY TOLD ME CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WAR.

UM, THERE'S AT LEAST 215 JURISDICTIONS WAITING TO BE SUED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR POOR ELECTION STRUCTURES AND SYSTEMS. AND I DIDN'T BELIEVE HIM, BUT SINCE ALL THOSE YEARS, AYE, AYE, AYE, AYE, AYE.

I'VE LOST TRACK OF HOW MANY CASES HAVE GONE BEFORE THE CAKE, THE COURT IN TEXAS ALONE WHEN JUST THE LATINO VOTING RIGHTS.

UM, AND, UH, BUT ALSO AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTING RIGHTS.

UM, TEXAS IS PROBABLY THE MOST NOTORIOUS STATE IN THE UNION FOR DENYING VOTERS, THE VOTE.

UM, IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE, TO THE, TO THE, TO THE, UM, CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IN WASHINGTON DC, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE WERE MORE SECTION FIVE OBJECTIONS AND SECTION TWO LAWSUITS FILED AGAINST THE STATE OF TEXAS FROM SCHOOL BOARDS ALL THE WAY TO THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS THAN ANY OF THE STATE IN THE UNION.

UH, AND, UH, AND IT, THEY RUN THE GAMUT OF EVERYTHING FROM, UM, UM, MALLOW PORTION DISTRICTS TO, UH, UM, AT LARGE ELECTION SCHEMES THAT, UH, DON'T ALLOW FOR, FOR, FOR THE ONE MAN, ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE KIND OF REPRESENTATIONAL STRUCTURE THAT COVERS NOT JUST WHITE VOTERS, BUT ALL VOTERS.

AND SO PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE GENERALLY LEFT OUT OF THE EQUATION WHEN THEY RECALCULATE THOSE THINGS.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS, UH, MOVING POLLING PLACES, UH, UH, UH, CHANGING ELECTION DAYS.

I MEAN, YOU JUST NAME IT AND TEXAS HAD WRITTEN A BOOK ON IT.

UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN, IN, IN, IN, UH, IN THE MINORITY COMMUNITIES THAT BOTH THE NAACP AND, UH, THE LATINO VOTERS, UH, MALDEF SPECIFICALLY ARE, ARE, ARE VERY COGNIZANT AND VERY WATCHFUL OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A, JUST A, A RICH HISTORY OF, OF DENYING MINORITY GROUPS TO VOTE IN THE STATE.

AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S ONE THING YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO UNDERTAKE YOUR, YOUR REDISTRICTING PROCESS, I HOPE DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YOUR PRESENTATION IS VERY USEFUL.

UM, AND I'M KIND OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE WONDER YOU HAD A FEW OPTIONS LAID OUT IN ONE OF YOUR SLIDES FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND ONE SAID ADDING A NEW DISTRICT, UM, W WHAT ARE SOME KEY THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN ADDING A NEW DISTRICT? AND I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WAS WITH THE BUILDING OR BUDDING OF AUSTIN BERBER GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY THAT WE HAVE THIS LEVY OF B PLUS MINUS 10% AND EACH DISTRICT, WHAT ARE SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT ADDING THIS TERM WITH AN AUSTIN COMBINATE FROM THE NEW, WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A DO THE, WHAT ARE CONSIDERED TRADITIONAL CHARACTERISTICS OF DISTRICTS.

UH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A TERM THAT THE COURTS USE, BUT NO ONE'S EVER REALLY DEFINED WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT THEY GENERALLY INCLUDE THINGS LIKE COMPACTNESS OR CONTIGUOUSNESS.

SO YOUR DISTRICT SHOULD BE, LOOK REASONABLY LOGICALLY CONFIGURED.

IT SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE, UH, I THINK ONE CONGRESSWOMAN SAID THAT HER DISTRICT LOOK LIKE SOME SORT OF DISEASE KIND OF SPREADING ALL OVER THE MAP.

I MEAN, THERE'VE BEEN SOME REALLY CRAZY CRAZILY DRAWN DISTRICTS.

YOU SHOULDN'T, YOU SHOULD TRY TO KEEP THEM AS COMPACT AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, MAKING SURE THAT ALL PARTS OF THE DISTRICT HAVE THE SAME, UM, WITHOUT GOING OUT TO LITTLE SPAGHETTI STRINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO GRAB NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU THINK ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT, UH, YOU MIGHT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU TRY TO INCLUDE, UM, AS MANY COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST AS POSSIBLE.

UM,

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I REMEMBER EVERY, EVERY DECADE, THIS WILL BE MY FOURTH ROUND OF STATEWIDE REDISTRICTING THAT I'M GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN.

AND EVERY DECADE, THE SAME MAYOR, THE SAME LITTLE CITY IN SAN ANTONIO, JUST INSIDE SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SHOWS UP THAT HOLDS UP A PRETTY BATTERED MAP OF A PLACE CALLED CASTLE HILLS, TEXAS.

THAT'S BEEN GERRYMANDERED AND SLICED ALL OVER THE PLACES.

AND HE PLEADS WITH HIM JUST TO LEAVE HIS TOWN IN ONE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

AND NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO THE POOR GUY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY THAT IS PLEADING TO KEEP A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST TOGETHER, AND THEY DON'T, YOU, YOU SHOULD TRY TO DO THAT AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T DO IT.

UH, UH, AND THEN THERE'S THE NATURAL KINDS OF CONFIGURATIONS OR NATURAL KIND OF BOUNDARIES, ROADS, AND RIVERS, AND THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, PROVIDE YOU A NATURAL BOUNDARIES THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE, UH, INTERSTATE 35, FOR INSTANCE.

UM, BUT EVEN INTERSTATE 35 MIGHT FLY.

SOME, SOME COMMUNITIES ARE REALLY BELONG TOGETHER.

SO YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AND BE VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU DO THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH, NO, THANKS FOR THAT.

AND THEY THINK SOME OF THE DOGS HAD TO BE INTERNET, I GUESS, IS EVEN THINGS LIKE A ROAD AND INFRASTRUCTURE HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY CONTROLLED BY PEOPLE IN POWER.

SO EVEN USING SOME THINGS, LIKE, I THOUGHT IF I COULD BE SKEWING SOME OF THIS, BECAUSE WHO DECIDED THAT, BUT I THOUGHT IF I WERE TO WATCH, RIGHT, IT'S JUST A, IT'S A HARD THING.

LIKE I SAID, THAT'S ALL Y'ALL'S DECISION.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL TO DISCUSS.

MS. HAD HER HAND UP EARLIER.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, JUST ONE THING TO ADDRESS, UM, CONDITIONER, I'M SORRY, YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR NAME ON YOUR ZOO.

UM, POINT, I BELIEVE THAT IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, WE ARE PROHIBITED FROM ADDING A NEW DISTRICT BECAUSE, UM, IT WAS THE ELECTION THAT WE HAD AND IT WAS NOT PASSED.

SO TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S NOT A THING.

SO, UM, JUST SO OUR, OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UM, DON'T GET EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND FULLY APPRECIATE THAT YOUR PRESENTATION WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GLOBALLY AND NOT TO OUR SPECIFIC SITUATION.

MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THERE RATIOS, UM, THAT WE AIM FOR AND WITH THE GROWTH OR DECLINE USING THAT 10%, IS THERE GUIDANCE ABOUT THOSE FLUCTUATIONS WITH REGARD TO THE ETHNIC IDENTITY? SO IF THERE'S A FLUCTUATION OF, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, HISPANICS OR ASIAN OR BLACK, LIKE, DOES THAT EVER COME TO CONSIDERATION EITHER FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE OR FROM A KIND OF BEST PRACTICE, OR THIS IS WHAT WE DO PERSPECTIVE.

I THINK MR. KORBEL COULD ANSWER THE LEGAL PART OF THAT.

I, I'M NOT SURE I CAN'T ANSWER THAT ONE, BUT, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS, IS, IS, IS, IS LIMITED TO ONLY ABOUT 50 OR SO INSTANCES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.

I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT.

THERE MAY BE SOMEPLACE, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.

IT'S GENERALLY JUST, UH, THE, THE BEST GUIDANCE I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU IS TO TRY TO CONSIDER AMONG YOURSELVES WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO ALLOW A MINORITY GROUP TO HAVE, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT CALLS A, UM, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELECT THE CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE, BUT THAT'S A NEGOTIATED PERCENTAGE.

IT VARIES FROM JURISDICTION TO JURISDICTION.

THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER I THINK I CAN GIVE YOU AT THIS POINT, GEORGE.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

CAN YOU ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, GEORGE? UM, WELL, UM, TWO THINGS, UH, ONE THING BEFORE, WAY BEFORE I ANSWER THAT.

AND, UM, UH, 20 YEARS AGO IN SAN ANTONIO, WHEN WE WERE, WHEN WE WERE REDISTRICTING SAN ANTONIO, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BLACK POPULATION DECLINING IN CONCENTRATION, AND I'M ACTUALLY MOVING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE COUNCIL IS YOU CAN EITHER HAVE A CHARTER REVISION COMMISSION ELECTION, WHICH AUSTIN HAD, AND I THINK IT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL OR, OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY, WHAT WE DID WAS WE HAD THE ORIGINAL STATUTE, UM, UH, CREATING THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

MY RECOLLECTION IS WE DID IT THIS WAY.

WE HAD THAT AMENDED SO THAT SAN ANTONIO CAN

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ADD THREE COUNCILMAN, UM, AT THE DECISION OF THE CITY COUNCIL GOING HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER, UM, A CHARTER REVISION COMMISSION ELECTION TO ADD THOSE THREE COUNCILMAN.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FOR THE LAST TWO DECADES TO BE ABLE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO ELECT THE REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CHOICE.

UM, AND SO WE HAVEN'T HAD TO USE THAT, BUT THAT, THAT IS AVAILABLE.

AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING AT SOME POINT IN TIME, AUSTIN MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IT'S.

THE DAD IS NOT REALLY AVAILABLE NOW, UH, SO THAT I CAN TELL WHETHER OR NOT, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE TO CREATE A DISTRICT WHERE, UM, UH, AFRICAN-AMERICANS CAN ELECT THE REPRESENTATIVES OF A CHOICE.

UM, WE WON'T REALLY SEE THAT UNTIL, UM, UNTIL THE CENSUS COMES OUT IN AUGUST.

SOMETIME WE CAN ANSWER IF WE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION THEN.

YEAH.

THE ONLY DISTRICT I SAW THE HEAD OF SIGNIFICANT AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION, AS FAR AS DENSITY WAS CONCERNED, WAS DISTRICT, WAS IT ONE YES.

DISTRICT ONE AND IN 2010, THAT WAS ONLY 28.2%.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT OBVIOUSLY GONNA CHANGE SOME, AND THAT WAS A DECREASE FROM, FROM 20, FROM THE YEAR 2000.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, MR. BLANK HAD A QUESTION LAST YEAR, SPEAKERS ADDRESS BOTH OF MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

AND ALSO HAS HER HAND UP, I'M SORRY TO CUT ANYONE OFF.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL SAW THAT.

UM, LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT, ABOUT THE DR.

FLORIDA'S.

HE IS, UM, HE'S THE BEST EXPERT THAT I'VE EVER USED.

AND IF YOU ASK ANY LAWYER THAT USES EXPERT WITNESSES, A LOT, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THEY STICK.

IN OTHER WORDS, THAT THEY COME UP WITH AN OPINION AND THEY STICK ON IT AND HE DOES THE BEST JOB OF ANYBODY, UM, IN STICKING.

AND HE'S GONE THROUGH, HE'S GONE THROUGH THE, UH, THE BEST CROSS EXAMINATION I'VE EVER SEEN ON A POLITICAL EXPERT, AND HE HAS HE'S ARGUED SO AND STUCK.

SO HE'S A GREAT EXPERT.

AND I'VE TOLD HIM THAT BEFORE TO MAKE THAT COTTON VERY MUCH MS. CALEDONIA COMMISSIONER CALLED IT ON ARE Y'ALL.

I DIDN'T WANT IT TO, UH, UH, POINT OUT THAT A COMMISSIONER COMBO HAD A QUESTION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY, UM, ASK YOU ABOUT HOW FORWARD THINKING ARE WE TRYING TO BE REGARDING SOME OF THESE STATISTICS.

I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING BACKWARD IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE TAKING SOME OF THE CENSUS DATA, HOWEVER, LIKE CONSIDERING THAT AUSTIN IS NOW THE FASTEST GROWING MAJOR CITY IN THE US, UM, THAT'S SORT OF MY QUESTION, LIKE, ARE WE THE STATISTICS TRYING TO PROJECT MORE, UM, AROUND THIS TIME TO REALLY ADDRESS THOSE TRENDS THAT WE'RE NOW STARTING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, TH TH THE PROBLEM WITH CENSUS, UH, DATA IS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY ESTIMATES.

UM, YOU CAN'T GET AN ACCURATE HEAD COUNT BECAUSE POPULATIONS ARE SO MOBILE THERE'S BIRTHS AND DEATHS EVERY DAY THAT HAD TO BE CALCULATED PEOPLE MOVING IN AND OUT OF THE JURISDICTION, AND AUSTIN IS MOVING SO RAPIDLY THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY BE OUT OF, OUT OF PROPORTION REAL FAST, YOU KNOW, UM, I MIGHT EVEN LOOK AT IT AGAIN, FIVE YEARS AFTER YOU, AFTER YOU MAKE THIS ROUND OF REDISTRICTING, JUST TO LOOK AT YOUR, YOUR DATA AND SEE IF YOU NEED TO MAKE SOME OTHER ADJUSTMENTS DOWN THE LINE.

THERE'S NO FIXED RULE THAT YOU'RE ONLY LIMITED TO REDISTRICT REDISTRICTING EVERY 10 YEARS.

IF YOU DO IT IN FIVE, YOU CAN DO IT, YOU KNOW, POPULATION SURVEY.

SO CENSUS DATA IS DATA DATE, UH, FOUR YEARS OUT AFTER THE CENSUS, BECAUSE THE POPULATION HAS CHANGED SO DRAMATICALLY IN UNITED STATES.

SO STARTING IN THE FIFTH YEAR AFTER THE CENSUS, WE STARTED USING STATISTICAL ESTIMATES TO, TO TAKE US TO THE END OF THE DECADE FOR THE MOST PART.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T, DOES THE COUNCIL BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S BEEN, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY, UH, UH, VERY WELL, UM, METHODOLOGICALLY DESIGNED COUNT.

SO IT, I'M NOT SURE HOW ACCURATE IT WAS.

UM, THE WORD ON THE, AMONG

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THE STATISTICIANS THAT WHO ARE RACIAL MINORITY GROUPS ARE UNDER COUNTED, UH, DRAMATICALLY THIS TIME AROUND.

UM, AND, UM, SO, BUT IT'S THE BEST NUMBER WE'VE GOT AND IT'S ALL WE HAVE TO WORK WITH AT THIS POINT.

UH, AND MR. CORPORAL RECORD POINTED IT OUT.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE NUMBERS TILL THE CENSUS NUMBERS.

AREN'T GOING TO BE OUT TILL WHAT, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER GEORGE NIGGA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUT IN AUGUST, BUT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

SO THE 20 NUMBER THAT I USED BEFORE WAS A STATISTICAL ESTIMATE THAT THE US BUREAU OF THE CENSUS DOES EVERY, EVERY, UH, FIVE IS BASED ON A FIVE-YEAR, UH, STATISTICAL ESTIMATE.

IT'S NOT AN EXACT COUNT.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. FLORES BEFORE WE LET HIM GO? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, GEORGE.

ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO BE, AND MR. KORBEL WILL, UM, PRESENT ON THE DISTRICT MAKE-UP AND, UM, AND I IMAGINE THIS WILL BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

UM, THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE ASKING, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, IN THIS PUBLIC SPACE.

SO, UM, WE ARE GOING TO SHARE A SCREEN AGAIN, MATT, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU.

AND, UM, AND WE HAVE THE MAP OF THE 10 COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

YES.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO W WHEN I LOOK AT A, UM, A CITY LIKE AUSTIN, AND WE'RE GOING TO REDISTRICT THE CITY, UM, I LOOK AT THE, UM, SHAPE OF THE, OF THE CITY AND ALSO THE, UM, AREAS WITHIN THE CITY THAT AREN'T PART OF THE CITY.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I CALL THE SWISS CHEESE, BECAUSE AN AWFUL LOT OF THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE, AND THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE IN THE PAST ARE BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THAT SWISS CHEESE AND THE LOCATION OF THE BOUNDARY, OUTER BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, IT'S, UM, FAIRLY WHAT APPEARS TO BE FAIRLY IRREGULAR, UM, AT THE, UM, UH, THE OUTSIDE.

AND MOST OF, AS I SAY, MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE DECISIONS WILL BE BASED ON THE SHAPE OF THE, OF THE CITY.

THE, WHAT WE, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL GROUPS HAVE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO ELECT EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE.

AND, UM, WITH HISPANICS, THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY IS GROWING QUITE FAST.

THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS, IS NOT.

UM, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE ELECTION STRUCTURE OVER THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN, AND, UM, UH, BOTH IN THE CITY COUNCIL AND OUTSIDE THE CITY COUNCIL, WE CAN SEE THAT AFRICAN-AMERICANS, UM, ARE ABLE TO ELECT AT A, USUALLY AT A, UM, A SMALL, MUCH SMALLER PERCENTAGE THAN WE WOULD EXPECT THE SPANISH TO BE ABLE TO ELECT YET.

AND THE, THE, UM, BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF THE, UM, THE POPULATION, THE BLACK POPULATION, UH, LOOKING AT THE BLACK POPULATION HERE.

UM, NORMALLY, UH, NORMALLY THEY SAY THAT, UH, UH, THESE DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LESS THAN A 10% DEVIATION, UM, THAT'S A LAWSUIT THAT I LOST 50 YEARS AGO.

UM, BUT THE SUPREME COURT NOW SAYS THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT LOSS SAID, BUT THEY NOW SAY WHAT THE LAWSUIT SAID IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO, UM, SHOOT AT ZERO DEVIATION.

AND IF THERE ARE SOME REASONS THAT WE, THAT WE CAN'T HIT ZERO DEVIATION, THEN WE CAN JUSTIFY THOSE, THOSE, UM, UM, DEVIATIONS, IF, UH, ROADS, FOR EXAMPLE, HIGHWAYS, UM, ARE A GOOD EXAMPLE.

UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND ALSO CITIES IN TEXAS THAT AREN'T TOTALLY CONTIGUOUS.

AND SO THOSE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES OF SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GO ABOVE 10%.

UM, BUT MOST, MOST OF ALL, WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND GO TO AS CLOSE TO 0% AS CAN, UM, AND STILL MAINTAIN, UM, UH, THE, UH, COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST.

WE HAVE ONE PROBLEM

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THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY ATTEMPT TO USE THE VOTING PRECINCTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ADOPTED, BUT THE VOTING PRECINCTS ARE GOING TO BE ADOPTED AFTER YOUR NOVEMBER DUE DATE.

SO, UH, VOTING PRECINCTS PROBABLY WON'T BE ADOPTED UNTIL SOMETIME IN JANUARY.

UM, I, WE PROBABLY CAN, UH, ATTEMPT TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP YOUR, UM, VOTING PRECINCTS TOGETHER.

BUT IF YOU RECALL, 10 YEARS AGO, BUT THE STATE DID TO AUSTIN WAS THEY CUT A HUNDRED VOTING PRECINCTS, A HUNDRED OF YOUR VOTING PRECINCTS.

AND SO IT WAS A DISASTER TRYING TO DRAW A NEW VOTING PRECINCTS.

UM, AND IF THE, AND IF THE STATE DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN, THIS YEAR, AND LORD KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, UM, IT W IT WILL BECOME VERY DIFFICULT TO, UM, UM, NOT HAVE SPLIT PRECINCTS AT THE BOUNDARIES OF YOUR, UH, CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

AND THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM BECAUSE COUNTIES DON'T ALWAYS PAY ATTENTION TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS OR, UH, OR, UM, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH AUSTIN AND, OR WORK WITH TRAVIS, KANYE, I SHOULD SAY, AND DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP YOUR TOGETHER LOOKING.

BUT, UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM.

UM, THE SUPREME COURT HAS SAID CONSISTENTLY IS THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ELECTING BLACK OR HISPANIC OR ASIAN, UH, UH, CITY COUNCIL PERSONS WERE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE VOTERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELECT THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CHOICE.

AND IF THE POPULATION IN AUSTIN, FOR EXAMPLE, AFRICAN-AMERICANS WAS 10% AND YOU HAVE 10 DISTRICTS, YOU WOULD IMAGINE THAT, UM, IF THERE WAS NO RACIALLY POLARIZED VOTING OVER THE YEARS, BLACKS WOULD REPRESENT 10% OF, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND, UM, THAT'S SORT OF THE ANALYSIS THAT I THINK THAT THE COURTS ARE STILL GOING THROUGH AS FAR AS, UH, RE RATING THESE DISTRICTS.

NOW, IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT MAY APPLY AGAIN, IF THE JOHN LEWIS ACT THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IN WASHINGTON IS PASSED.

IF THE JOHN LEWIS ACT IS PASSED, THEN IT'S, THEN IT'S, UM, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO WHAT'S CALLED PRE CLEAR ALL ELECTION CHANGES SO THAT THEY WOULD SECOND GUESS YOU, AND THEY WOULD SECOND GUESS EVERY OTHER, UM, REDISTRICTING IN THE STATE.

AND, UM, EVERY OTHER CHANGE IN ELECTION PROCESS, EVERYTHING THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THIS SPECIAL SESSION WOULD BE SUBJECT TO PRE-CLEARANCE AND, UM, UM, LIKELY HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN HIM, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I'M RECOMMENDING TO THE JURISDICTIONS THAT I'M WORKING WITH IS THAT WE ACT AS IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND THAT WE TAKE ALL STEPS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN.

AND SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT STILL BEEN IN EFFECT.

MR. CORBELL WOULD YOU MIND, UM, AND YOU'VE ALREADY, YOU TALKED ABOUT PRE-CLEARANCE, BUT WOULD YOU MIND BREAKING DOWN A LITTLE FOR THE JOHN LEWIS AND THEN ALSO SECTION FIVE OF THE VRA? SURE.

THE, THE, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT VOTING RIGHTS CHECK WAS SET UP IN, IN, UM, UH, BACK IN THE EARLY SIXTIES.

AND IT WAS SET UP BASED ON, UH, TURNOUT PERCENTAGE IN, UM, UH, IN THE STATES.

AND IT WAS ALSO SET UP POLITICALLY IN A CRASS SORT OF WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT TEXAS WAS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PASS THE PASS THE, UH, THE BILL IN CONGRESS, THEY COULDN'T HAVE ALL OF THE TEXAS CONGRESSMAN AND BOTH OF OUR SENATORS AGAINST, SO TEXAS FOR A, UM, UM, FOR A POLITICAL REASON IS GENERALLY BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED IN 1965.

AND, UM, MALDEF HAD A LAWSUIT BACK IN THE, IN THE VERY EARLY SEVENTIES IN WHICH, UM, THE CLAIM WAS THAT LANGUAGE WAS, UH, WAS A TEST OR DEVICE, WHICH WOULD HAVE BROUGHT, UM, TEXAS UNDER THE, UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

UM, AND WE LOST THAT WALLET, LOST THAT LAWSUIT, UH, WHY USED TO WORK FOR WALMART.

UM,

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BUT THAT BECAME THE WAY WE BROUGHT TEXAS UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IN 1975, IS WE, THE TEST IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE, UM, UH, ELECTIONS WERE BEING HELD IN SPANISH IN 19, UH, IN 1972 AND IN TEXAS, THEY WEREN'T.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT TEXAS CAME UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

AND ONCE I KNEW THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT EVERYTHING THAT THE STATE DOES INVOLVING ELECTIONS AND MAKES A DETERMINATION IN ADVANCE WHETHER OR NOT IT, UM, DISCRIMINATES.

AND, UM, IT WAS LOOSELY BASED ON WHAT THE IDEA OF RECONSTRUCTION WAS AFTER THE CIVIL WAR RECONSTRUCTION OF COURSE ENDED DISASTROUSLY AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, BUT THIS WAS, THIS WAS CONSIDERED TO BE THE EXTENSION OF RECONSTRUCTION.

AND, UM, IN EVERY STATE, TEXAS HAD, UM, MANY, MANY, MANY VOTING RIGHTS OBJECTIONS, UH, IN ALL OF THE SOUTHERN STATES THAT WERE COVERED BY THE BOARDING RIGHTS ACT, HAD MANY VOTING RIGHTS OBJECTIONS.

SO THE LAWS WERE PREVENTED FROM GOING INTO EFFECT.

UM, AND, UH, THAT WAS THE WAY WE WERE ABLE, ONE OF THE WAYS WE WERE ABLE TO FORCE HOUSTON AND SAN ANTONIO INTO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, BECAUSE THEY HAD, UM, LARGE, LARGE NUMBERS OF ANNEXATIONS AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, YOU CAN'T HAVE THOSE ANNEXATIONS BECAUSE THEY FURTHER DILUTE THE MINORITY POPULATION.

AND SO IN TEXAS, UH, WITHOUT, IN THOSE DAYS, AT LEAST WITHOUT ANNEXATIONS, THE CITIES COULDN'T FUNCTION.

AND AS A RESULT, HOUSTON AND SAN ANTONIO HAD TO GO TO A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

WE ALMOST WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IN AUSTIN, BUT, UM, YOUR ANNEXATIONS, UH, PROCESS HAD BEEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN HOUSTON AND SAN ANTONIO.

AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IN AUSTIN BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES.

UM, SO, UM, UNDER SECTION FIVE, IF YOU MAKE ANY SORT OF A CHANGE, INCLUDING MOVING A POLLING PLACE ACROSS THE STREET, OR CHANGING THE HOURS OF VOTING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, REDISTRICTING, EVERY CHANGE IN ELECTIONS HAS TO BE GIVEN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PRE-CLEARANCE.

SO INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING UP ON LITIGATION AND REDISTRICTING, UM, AND, AND THESE CASES THAT WE HAVE TO FILE THAT TAKE 10 YEARS TO HAVE A SOLUTION, WE DEAL WITH THIS THING UPFRONT BEFORE THE PROBLEM TAKES EFFECT.

AND THAT WAS WHAT THE IDEA OF THE, UH, SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

WE LOST THAT IN THE OLDER OPINION, OLDER OPINION IS, UM, ONE OF THE WORST, UM, OF CRAFTED, UH, SUPREME COURT DECISIONS OF ALL TIMES, UH, THE CONGRESS HAD PASSED THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IN THE SENATE.

IT PASSED 98 TO NOTHING 98 TO NOTHING AND THE SUPREME COURT WITHOUT HOLDING A SINGLE HEARING SECOND GUESSED CONGRESS AND DECIDED THAT CONGRESS WAS GONE IN ALL OF THE HEARINGS THAT HAD HELD IT'S UNIQUE AMONG ALL, UM, UH, JURISPRUDENCE IN THE SUPREME COURT.

YOU JUST ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE.

I THINK THEY ONLY, I THINK ONLY 17 HOUSE MEMBERS VOTED AGAINST.

UM, AND, UH, WE, WE LOST THAT IN 2013.

AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, UH, THE STATE AND LOCAL JURISDICTIONS HAVE BEEN MAKING CHANGE AFTER CHANGE, AFTER CHANGE, WHICH HAVE BECOME REAL PROBLEMS, INCLUDING, UM, UM, VOTER ID, VOTER ID PROBLEMS. WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE CHANGING POLLING PLACES NOW ALL THE TIME.

WE'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF POLLING PLACES, CREATING THESE, THESE, UM, MEGA, UM, POLLING PLACES.

UM, SO THE WAY YOU REGISTERED A VOTE NOW HAS DONE ESSENTIALLY UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE DPS.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE CREATED THESE MEGA, UM, CENTERS, UH, FOR US WHERE YOU GET YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE.

UH, ALL OF THAT STUFF PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED FROM GOING INTO EFFECT AND SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT CONTINUED.

AND, UM, BUT THE UNDER THE UNDER THE WAY IT'S UNDER THE PROPOSAL, BUT SECTION FIVE IS SET UP UNDER NOW.

IT'S GOING TO BE, THE TEST WILL BE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FINDINGS OF ELECTION IN UNCONSTITUTIONAL OR ILLEGALLY ELECTION DISCRIMINATION, UM, UH, UH, OVER A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS AND TEXAS BY AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT WOULD FALL UNDER WHAT WOULD BE COVERED BY THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND WOULD BE, AND TELL THE WAS REPEALED WOULD BE COVERED IN PERPETUITY

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BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY, WE'VE HAD SO MANY ELECTION PROBLEMS AND THE STATE IS SO LARGE THAT THEY'RE ELECTION PROBLEMS. THERE'S SO MANY PLACES TO FIND GOOD ELECTION PROBLEMS. THAT IS, THAT, DOES THAT DO IT? YES.

UM, MR. CORWELL, UM, QUESTION FROM, UM, ONE OF OUR STAFF, CHRISTINA NOVELS, UM, AND THEN I, I BELIEVE FOLKS ARE RAISING THEIR HANDS.

IS THAT A WAY TO, UM, GET YOUR ATTENTION? LET'S GO AHEAD AND STOP SHARING SCREEN AND, UM, JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO EVERYONE THAT THE CHAIR WILL ADDRESS ANYONE WHO HAS THEIR HAND UP.

UM, SO IF ANYONE DID HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE DO.

YES.

SO I SEE COMMISSIONER FALCO AND, UM, VERY QUICKLY THE TWO, UH, COMMISSIONER CALLED AT ELLEN'S POINT, UH, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGER, CHRISTINE GRANADA'S HAD LEFT A QUESTION IN THE CHAT.

UM, I DO WANT TO SECOND WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER FALCONS HAS SAID ABOUT NOT USING THE CHAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING.

UM, BUT CHRISTINE'S QUESTION IS, DOES REDISTRICTING CONSIDER SOCIAL ECONOMIC STATUS OF A POPULATION AS A FACTOR WHEN RECONFIGURING DISTRICTS? UM, UH, YES.

UM, UM, UH, IN THE, IN THE LITIGATION, ONE OF THE WAYS WE SHOW THEM THAT A, UM, AN ELECTION PROBLEM IS, IS, HAS AS A RACIAL OR ETHNIC EFFECT, IS BY LOOKING AT THE CENSUS DATA AT THE, UM, SOCIOECONOMIC SOCIOECONOMIC DATA.

AND WE CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN A TURNOUT RATE FOR IT TO BE EXPECTED.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN, UM, NON HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES IN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES, SCAN, HISPANIC SUFFERED GREATLY, AND THAT, UM, THE, UM, LANGUAGE BECOMES A MAJOR PROBLEM IN ELECTIONS, EVEN WITH, UM, UM, HAVING THE BALLOTS TRANSLATE.

UM, LANGUAGE IS STILL A MAJOR PROBLEM.

UM, INCOME IS PROBABLY THE BEST PREDICTOR OF VOTER TURNOUT, AND WE CAN SEE THAT AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND HISPANIC PRIMARILY, AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, ASIAN INCOMES ARE MUCH, MUCH LESS THAN THE, THAN THE GENERAL POPULATION AND CERTAINLY LESS THAN THE ANNUAL POPULATION.

SO YES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE, WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT DRAWING YOUR DISTRICTS, THOSE ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER IN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT, OR WHERE TO PUT THE LINES IN THE DISTRICTS.

THANK YOU, MR. KORBEL.

AND I DID SEE THAT COMMISSIONER.

HAD A QUESTION.

YES, I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER JUST ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT AUSTIN'S GROWTH HAS BEEN IN PROFESSIONAL INDUSTRIES.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD SEE THAT GROWTH IN HIGHER INCOME BANDS.

AND I KNOW THAT THE CENSUS DOES RECORD THAT.

SO, UM, I'D JUST BE INTERESTED FOR US TO LOOK AT WHEN WE DO GET THE DATA ONE DAY, UH, JUST WHERE THE GROWTH CAME FROM AND HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, MAYBE THE GROWTH IN OUR TRADITIONALLY UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING ETHNICALLY OR RACIALLY, WAS THAT GROWTH PROPELLED BY PEOPLE MOVING TO AUSTIN FOR THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, HIGHER INCOME JOBS.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING RICHARD DECIDED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT.

YEAH.

AND I MIGHT SAY ACTUALLY THE, UM, THE, UH, MOST RECENT CENSUS PROJECTIONS ON INCOME AND POPULATION, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY AVAILABLE NOW.

AND, UM, UM, UH, EARLIER TODAY I HAD, I HAD THOSE PULLED AND IF YOU WANT ME TO, I CAN PUT TOGETHER A SHORT MEMORANDUM DESCRIBING WHAT IT IS IN THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF SAYING WHAT IT IS IN EACH ONE OF THE DISTRICTS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CENSUS PUTS THE INFORMATION TOGETHER.

UH, BUT IT'LL GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD IDEA AT THE SOCIOEC SOCIOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES, WHICH I SUSPECT WILL PROBABLY BE IN EXCESS OF WHAT THEY WERE FOR THE LAST STUFF FOR THE LAST FEW DISTRICTS.

YES, PLEASE, PLEASE DO PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR US.

AND I SEE THE COMMISSIONER CALLED IT ON AND HAS A QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

UM, YES, MR. CORWELL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS READING THIS MAP THAT YOU WERE SHARING EARLIER CORRECTLY.

THE SPACES THAT DON'T HAVE COLORS IN THEM ARE UNINCORPORATED UNINCORPORATED AREAS.

UM, IS THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT CORRECT? OR ARE THEY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES? AND THEN YOU DID BRING UP AN EXPRESSION.

AND I WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT ANNEXATION IS THAT UNDER THE OLD SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, ANY ANNEXATIONS THAT WOULD DILUTE OR SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE A VOTING

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DISTRICT WOULD HAVE TO BE PRE-CLEARED.

UM, BUT THAT NOWADAYS THESE ANNEXATIONS, UH, WE'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD AND COULD POTENTIALLY ALSO ALTER, UM, THE CHARACTER LET'S SAY OF A DISTRICT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, THE, UH, YES, THE AREAS THAT ARE THE SWISS CHEESE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, SOME, SOME OF THOSE ARE, UM, SMALL, SMALL CITIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE EXISTING CITY.

SOME OF THEM ARE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED.

AND I THINK THAT BASE FOR YOUR, UM, FOR YOUR TEXAS, THE TEXAS GUARD, I THINK IS, IS ONE OF THOSE SWISS CHEESES.

UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, GETTING AROUND THE SWISS CHEESES TO DRAW A DISTRICT, UH, WELL SOMETIMES MAKE YOUR DISTRICTS LOOK REALLY VERY STRANGE AND BECOME IMPOSSIBLE.

HI, I'M SO, MR. CORBELL, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, REPORT THAT YOU WILL GENERATE SHOWING INCOME.

UM, YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US A VIEW OF, UM, I GUESS, INCOME ACROSS THE CITY, WOULD IT AND POSSIBLY NOT BY DISTRICT, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SHOW, SAY BY ZIP CODE OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT COULD GIVE US A GEOGRAPHIC SENSE OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH? BECAUSE IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE IN LAST, IN OUR LAST MEETING, THE, I GUESS, INTEGRATION THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING RACIALLY ACROSS THE CITY.

UM, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THERE IS THAT EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH GEOGRAPHIC, GEOGRAPHICALLY.

UM, OH, I WILL, I WILL DO THE BEST JOB I CAN.

THE, UH, THEY, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY BREAK IT DOWN IN THE SAME WAY THAT, UM, THAT YOUR DISTRICTS ARE BROKEN DOWN.

UM, BUT ALSO WHAT, I I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO.

THANK YOU, SARAH.

AND I SEE COMMISSIONER FALCO HAS ANOTHER QUESTION.

YEAH.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ALSO ADDRESS THAT I'VE WORKED WITH CENSUS DATA A LOT AND THEY DON'T ACTUALLY GO TO THE ZIP CODE LEVEL.

THEY GO TO, UM, CSA LEVELS.

SO I'M GOING TO FORGET THE, WHAT THE ACRONYM STANDS FOR, BUT THAT ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF OUR INTERVIEW QUESTIONS.

WHAT I WOULD HIRE ANALYSTS, JUST LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THE ABSENCE? SO, UM, JUST WANT TO PUT OUT THERE THAT PERHAPS WE COULD LOOK AT THAT CSA.

WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE EXTRA WORK FOR YOU, MR. CORVO WHEN WE KNOW THAT IT'S BROKEN DOWN IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

SO IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE, UM, THAT THE STATE MAY, THE STATE DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF DOING PROJECTIONS AND THE STATE MADE THIS YEAR.

TRY TRY THAT.

SO, UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THERE.

UM, I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR YOU AND YOU MENTIONED TRAVIS COUNTY AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

WHEN DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO INVITE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COUNTY TO, UH, ONE OF OUR MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN HASH THAT OUT.

UM, AND, AND IS THAT ALSO SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH THE VARIOUS SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT, UM, FALL WITHIN OUR CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S MORE THAN JUST AUSTIN ISD.

WELL, UM, WELL WE DO HAVE THE, WE DO HAVE THE BOUNDARIES SHOULD SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

UM, AND, UM, SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE SCHOOL, BUT AUSTIN BECOMES, I MEAN, TRAVIS CONNIE BECOMES IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY DRAW THE VOTING PRECINCT.

AND, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UM, UH, PROBLEMS FOR TURNOUT IS CHANGING VOTING PRECINCTS.

AND SO THE MORE THAT'S, WHICH IS THE COURT, THAT'S THE REASON THAT THE LEGISLATURE 10 YEARS AGO, UM, CUT A HUNDRED VOTING PRECINCTS IN TRAVIS COUNTY SIMPLY TO MAKE A DIFFICULT, LOW, LOWER TURNOUT.

SO SHOULD WE ARRANGE TO MEET WITH SOMEONE FROM TRAVIS COUNTY TO DISCUSS? I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO IS GOING TO BE DOING THEIR REDISTRICTING.

I DON'T THINK THEY CHOSEN ANYONE YET, BUT, UM, I CERTAINLY WOULD BE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH THEM AND WE CAN SET UP THOSE SORTS OF MEETINGS.

I WAS INVOLVED IN, UM, PARIS COUNTY, EXCUSE ME, THE TRAVIS COUNTY REDISTRICTING, UM, 10 YEARS AGO.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT AGAIN.

SO I SEE THAT MR. YOUNG HAS HIS HAND UP.

YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

UH, I I'VE TALKED TO THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR ENTIRE THING IN HOUSE.

THEY HAVE A LARGE STAFF THEY'VE CREATED OF MAPMAKERS

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AS WHATEVER THE JARGON IS FOR THEM LIKE GEORGE AND I USED TO, I USED TO HAVE GEORGIA STILL HAS ON HIS TEAM AND THEY'RE DOING IT THROUGH THEIR, UH, VOTER REGISTRATION OFFICE.

SO IT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD IDEA PROBABLY TO TALK TO THEM.

UH, I AM AWARE THAT THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT GOING TO, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND PERHAPS EVEN TO THE CITY TO OPENING A PRO TO POTENTIALLY PROVIDING SERVICES TO, UH, US AND OTHERS, UH, TO DO THE MAP PART BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH OPERATION.

AND FOR THE REASON GEORGE BROUGHT UP THAT WITH THE COUNTY DRAWING ELECTION PRECINCTS, IT WOULD BE TO THEIR BENEFIT TO COORDINATE, UH, BACK AND FORTH.

SO THEY DON'T END UP WITH, HEY ASH, UH, YOU KNOW, 3 0 2, A, B, C, AND D AMONG LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE, BUT THEY CAN AVOID THE AMOUNT OF DESTRUCTION THAT CAN BE DONE BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.

AND THIS TIME FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 60 YEARS, THEY HAVE IN-HOUSE CAPACITY.

GOD, THANK YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT YOU WOULD TALK TO BRUCE ALFON TAXES AS A COLLECTOR, BELIEVE IT OR NOT RUN VOTER REGISTRATION.

I THINK IT WOULD BE THE PLACE TO START.

I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN BECAUSE THAT'S A BRAND NEW THING, GEORGE AND I BOTH DONE THIS FOR THE COUNTY AND THERE'S NO NOT GOING TO BE A BIDDING PROCESS AS JAM TO GO.

THEY HAVE ALL THE CAPACITY IN HOUSE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. PORTERVILLE BEFORE WE LET HIM GO AND MOVE ON WITH OUR AGENDA? OKAY, GREAT.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THAT WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.

THIS IS TO SEE THE UPDATE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WORKING GROUP, AND WE WILL VOTE ON PROPOSED PUBLIC FORUM DATES AND RUN THROUGH THE PUBLIC FORUM STRUCTURE AS WELL.

AND, UM, AND THAT IS IN PREPARATION FOR TOMORROW.

UM, AND VICE CHAIR GONZALEZ WILL PROVIDE THESE UPDATES AS THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS COULD IMAGINE.

THERE HAD TO BE SOME RESHUFFLING, SOME DAY CHANGES TO OUR PROPOSED PUBLIC.

SO WE DID VOTE ON SOME DATES AT THE LAST MEETING.

UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS WORKING GROUP GOT TOGETHER.

WE FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE TODAY IS SET.

UM, UH, SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR REVIEW AND THEN TO VOTE ON THESE DATES.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN.

PLEASE TELL ME WHEN Y'ALL CAN SEE MY SCREEN.

I CAN SEE IT.

PERFECT.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO DO A QUICK RUNDOWN OF THESE DATES.

SO AS WE'VE STATED BEFORE, OUR FIRST STARTS WITH, UM, OUR PUBLIC FORUM WITHIN DISTRICT NINE, THAT IS THURSDAY, JULY 5TH, FROM SIX TO EIGHT AT CITY HALL.

COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOLLOWED UP A WEEK FROM NOW A WEEK FROM TOMORROW.

UM, WITHIN DISTRICT 10 THURSDAY, JULY 22ND, FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM AT THE DELL JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER WITHIN DISTRICT SEVEN SATURDAY, JULY 24TH FROM 11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM AT THE NORTHWEST RECREATION CENTER DISTRICT EIGHT TUESDAY, JULY 27TH, FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM AT THE LBJ WILDFLOWER CENTER DISTRICT FOUR SATURDAY, JULY 31ST FROM TWO TO 4:00 PM AT THE GAZELLE GARCIA, UH, RECREATION CENTER DISTRICT SIX TUESDAY, AUGUST 3RD, SIX TO 8:00 PM, SPICEWOOD SPRINGS, BRANCH LIBRARY DISTRICT THREE SATURDAY, AUGUST 7TH, ONE TO 3:00 PM AT THE LOUISE BRANCH LIBRARY.

WE HAVE DISTRICT TWO TUESDAY, AUGUST 10TH FROM SEVEN 30 TO 9:30 PM.

THE DITMAR RECREATION CENTER DISTRICT ONE SATURDAY, AUGUST 14TH FROM ONE TO 3:00 PM AT THE GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER MUSEUM.

AND FINALLY DISTRICT FIVE TUESDAY, AUGUST 17TH, SIX TO EIGHT AT THE BIN SHAKA ROAD BRANCH LIBRARY.

I DO WANT TO NOTE, WE HAD, WE DO STILL PLAN FOR A VIRTUAL PUBLIC FORUM OPTION.

THAT IS A DATE THAT IT WILL STILL BE TBD.

UH, IT COULD FALL BETWEEN THESE DATES.

UH, IT COULD STILL FALL BETWEEN AUGUST 17TH, BETWEEN AUGUST 17TH AND AUGUST 31ST.

SO THAT IS AN UPDATE.

THE WORKING GROUP WILL PROVIDE, UH, TO THE COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PUNT.

THAT'S THE UPDATE, UH, IN TERMS OF VOTING ON THESE NEW PROPOSED PUBLIC ONE, HOW MUCH, AND I KNOW THAT THIS WAS SOME REALLY HEAVY LIFTING ON THE WORKING GROUPS PART.

SO THANK YOU TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU FOR, FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE.

AND WE DO NEED TO VOTE ON THESE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM DATES.

I WAS

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ADVISED, UH, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S KNOWLEDGE, UH, BY MR. KORBEL TO CALL THESE PUBLIC FORUMS FROM HERE ON OUT.

UM, I DID INCLUDE THAT IN MY EMAIL, BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT HERE AS WELL.

UM, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, JUST THINGS AROUND WHETHER WE WOULD NEED A QUORUM OR NOT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE TERMINOLOGY.

SO, UM, SO WE WILL BE CALLING THEM PUBLIC FORUMS. UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, MOTIONS TO, TO VOTE HERE? THAT WAS A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE PROPOSED DATES FOR THE PUBLIC FORUMS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY.

UM, IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE OF THESE PUBLIC FORUM DATES.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, IS THERE ANY DEBATE ON THIS? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO THE QUESTION IS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THESE PUBLIC FORUM, DATES THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

DO WE ALSO HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER CANNON? YES.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO.

OKAY.

UH, THE I'S HAVE IT.

THE MOTION IS ADOPTED.

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE PUBLIC FORUM DATES.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

THIS IS LISA RODRIGUEZ.

CAN YOU CONFIRM WHO SECONDED THE MOTION THERE? I'M SO SORRY.

YES.

I BELIEVE I SAW COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ HIS HAND FIRST MUCH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, LISA.

OKAY.

UM, THE NEXT THING WAS TO RUN THROUGH THE PUBLIC FORUM STRUCTURE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND AS WELL BY STRICT GONZALEZ TAKING US THROUGH THAT.

UM, AND, AND I WANT TO LEAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS, UM, AT THE END OF, OF, UM, QUISHA GONZALES'S PRESENTATION ON THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PRESENTATION OR IF YOU'RE JUST VERBALLY WALKING US THROUGH IT.

WELL, I WILL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU CHAIR.

THANK YOU TO THE WORKING GROUP FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DID ON CONFIRMING VENUES AND DATES.

UM, I COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, CHRISTINE, PATRICIA, UM, AND EVERYONE THAT'S ON THE WORKING GROUP FROM THE COMMISSION.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR WORK ON THIS.

UM, I DO HAVE THE AGENDA THAT HAS BEEN POSTED FOR TOMORROW'S, UM, PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY HALL.

SO I WAS GOING TO USE THAT AS THE BASE FOR, UM, WALKING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.

I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN ONCE MORE.

IF IT ALLOWS ME, GIVE ME ONE SECOND TECHNOLOGY, PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE IT, APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THIS IS WHAT OUR TEMPLATE FOR OUR AGENDAS WILL LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC FORUMS. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST, UH, CHAIR POINT TO US JUST TO GO THROUGH THE PURPOSE AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS FIRST PAGE TO WALK THROUGH THE ACTUAL AGENDA.

BUT I WANT THE COMMISSIONER'S ATTENTION ON THE FORUM PROCEDURE FOR OUR PUBLIC, OUR PUBLIC FORUMS WITHIN THE AGENDA, WITHIN ALL THE AGENDAS, WE'LL START WITH THE PURPOSE OF THESE PUBLIC FORUMS. AND THAT IS TO RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT ON REDISTRICTING MATTERS PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF OUR PRELIMINARY PLAN.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE, UH, SCHEDULING 11, INCLUDING THE VIRTUAL OPPORTUNITY, 11 HEARINGS BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER 1ST SUGGESTED THAT MINE, UM, LOGISTICS.

THERE'S SOME LOGISTICS WITHIN HERE, UH, SOME ROLES FOR THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR, SOME OF OUR STAFF AND THE COMMISSIONERS AS WELL.

IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW THAT AND THEN SOME PUBLIC RULES, UM, PUBLIC FORUM RULES FOR ANY ATTENDEES.

SO, UH, SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES AND I'LL ALLUDE TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT LATER.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN, UH, OR KEEP THE PUBLIC INPUT