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HARD BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT TO COVER AND I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO GET THROUGH IT ALL.
[CALL TO ORDER]
NAZER COMMISSION CHAIR CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:02 PM.THIS IS THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 9TH, 2021 6:00 PM.
UH, SO NOW, UH, I'M GOING TO CALL THE ROLE OF MEMBERS.
UH, LISA MITCHELL HERE, KATIE YARROW, UH, PALMER NEW HOUSE HERE.
JOANNE NORTON
[CITIZEN COMMUNICATION: GENERAL ]
IS REGISTERED SPEAKERS, UH, REGISTERED SPEAKERS.YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND WHAT HAPPENS TECHNOLOGICALLY IS AT THE END OF THREE MINUTES, YOU GET CUT OFF.
SO, UH, IT COULD BE A LITTLE ABRUPT.
SO IF YOU CAN TIME YOURSELF, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
SO YOU CAN WIND UP, UH, RIGHT AROUND THREE MINUTES.
SO THE FIRST SPEAKER IS CHRISTOPHER SUMMONS.
UH, I WILL BE VERY BRIEF, UM, AS A FORMER VOLUNTEER OF AAC.
UM, I WANT TO JUST VOICED MY OPINION THAT I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP IS SUITED TO THE TASK AT HAND.
UH, JUST TWO CASES IN POINT THE, UH, ALLOWING FOR THE SITUATION TO BECOME SO OVERCROWDED, UH, THAT IS JUST BURSTING AT THE SEAMS. AND SECOND, I THINK, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT THE RECENT LEADERSHIP MEMO SUGGESTING, UH, THE MERE FACT THAT IT WAS EVEN SUGGESTED IN A NO-KILL CITY.
UH, IT JUST LEADS ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP IS NOT SUITED TO THIS ENVIRONMENT.
AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR EUTHANASIA FOR SPACE REASONS.
I MEAN, THIS IS THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVE A NO KILL POLICY IN PLACE FOR THE CITY IN THE FIRST PLACE, UH, WHICH JUST GOES TO PROVE MY POINT THAT THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP, UM, IS NOT SUITED TO THE TASK AT HAND AND SHOULD BE REPLACED.
UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER, BEVERLY LUNA FROM AUSTIN LOST AND FOUND PETS FOUR, STILL TELLING PEOPLE TO RELEASE, FOUND DOGS JUST TO LET THEM GO.
AND I KNOW AAC CLAIMS IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT, BUT AAC CONTROLS THEIR SCRIPTS AND CONTROL AND CAN CERTAINLY HAVE AN EFFECT ON THEIR TRAINING.
UM, THE, ALSO THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF TIME TO GET AN APPOINTMENT THESE DAYS, AND APPARENTLY FOR A STRAY IS SEVEN DAYS.
VERY FEW PEOPLE CAN HOLD A DOG THAT LONG.
THE BURDEN THAT AAC IS FORCING ON THE COMMUNITY IS UNACCEPTABLE.
FOUND DOGS THAT ARE CLEARLY OWNED OR BEING REHOMED OR SENT OFF TO RESCUES.
AND OTHER CITIES LIKE WITHIN DAYS, I MEAN, THEIR OWNERS HAVE NO CHANCE OF FINDING THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A SHELTER APPOINTMENT, QUICKLY DOGS, INCLUDING OLD DOGS ARE BEING RELEASED TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES IN THIS HEAT.
UM, HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THE TRANSPORT PROGRAM, TRANSPORT TO OTHER STATES AND JURISDICTIONS TAKES THESE DOGS TO CITIES OR JURISDICTIONS WHERE THEY MAY OR NOT BE AS SAFE AS THEY ARE IN AUSTIN.
IF THE NEW OWNER IS UNHAPPY WITH THEM, TRANSPORT IS GENERALLY USED BY SMALLER SHELTERS AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO EUTHANASIA.
THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE AT AAC.
WE ARE NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THESE OUT-OF-STATE RESCUES AS WE ARE WITH THE TEXAS RESCUES.
I HAVE DEALT WITH SEVERAL OF THESE OUT OF STATE RESCUES WHO HAD DOGS, FOSTER STEER, TWO OF THE THREE WERE UNAWARE THAT THEIR JOBS WERE TOTALLY MISSING FOR MONTHS.
UM, REPUTABLE, REPUTABLE, RESCUES USE TRANSPORT, ONLY TWO CONFIRMED ADOPTERS.
AND ONLY DURING SPECIFIC TIMES OF THE YEAR, THERE WOULD BE NO TRANSPORT FROM TEXAS THIS TIME OF YEAR DURING THE SUMMER.
UM, NO TRANSPORT UP NORTH DURING THE WORST OF THE WINTER IS AAC TRANSPORTING ALL YEAR LONG.
ALSO THE MOST REPUTABLE RESCUES ARE SENDING DOGS TO CONFIRMED ADOPTERS,
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NOT TO RESCUES AND PROBLEMS STILL ARISE.THE BUS BREAKS DOWN DOGS, ESCAPE AND ARE MISSING FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME IS THE TRANSPORTER HAS TO GO ON WITHOUT THEM.
AND THESE DOGS ARE OFTEN NEVER FOUND TRANSPORTERS THAT YOU THOUGHT WERE RELIABLE, SUDDENLY BECOME EXTREMELY UNRELIABLE.
I PUT A GPS TRACKER ON MY FOSTER BOB THAT WAS HEADED TO AN ADOPTER IN THE NORTHEAST.
THE TRANSPORTER WAS SUPPOSED TO GO DIRECTLY TO DALLAS.
AND THEN UP FURTHER UP NORTH, THE TRANSPORTER TOOK A SIDE TRIP TO EUSTON WITHOUT TELLING THE RESCUE TO PICK UP EVEN MORE DOGS IN A VEHICLE ALREADY STAFFED WITH CRATES WITH ONE DOG ON TOP OF THE OTHER, THE BUS BROKE DOWN IN HOUSTON.
AND ALSO FOR FURTHER ALONG IN THE TRIP, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN TRYING TO CAPTURE DOGS LOST ON TRANSPORT THAT WERE LOST HERE IN AUSTIN.
THEY ARE ALSO TAKING UP RESCUE SPACES THAT SHELTERS LIKE LOCKHART BACKDROP OR THE VALLEY NEED TO KEEP FROM EUTHANIZING DOGS.
AUSTIN'S A VERY WEALTHY CITY AND WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS SEARCH FACEBOOK FOR TRANSPORT HORROR STORIES.
IF YOU WOULD NOT LET YOUR OWN DOG GO ON THESE TRANSPORTS TO EVER READING THESE STORIES, YOU SHOULDN'T ALLOW AAC TO PUT AUSTIN DOGS ON THESE TRANSPORTS EITHER.
AND THEY'RE USING A HALF-TIME POSITION FOR THIS, THAT PHYSICIANS SHOULD BE REALLOCATED TO INTAKE OR TO FOSTER COORDINATION OR SOMETHING, BUT THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE REASON TO BE TRANSPORTING DOGS OUTSIDE OF THIS CITY.
I HAVEN'T BEEN VERY INTERESTED AND SADDENED BY ALL THE COMMENTARY BEFORE MINE.
UH, I AM SITTING HERE WITH MY KITCHEN, WITH MY VERY HAPPY DOG THAT WE ADOPTED FROM THE ANIMAL CENTER.
UH, AND I LOVE THE ANIMAL CENTER AND I WANT IT TO DO WELL, BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA.
UH, I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO NOTIFY YOU ALL ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF A NEW VALID INITIATIVE THAT WILL MAKE IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO FUND OUR EXISTING ANIMAL SERVICES.
UH, THE BALLOT INITIATIVE IS LIKELY TO GET ON THE BALLOT ON WEDNESDAY.
UH, IT WILL GET ON THE BALLOT AND ON WEDNESDAY, AND IT WILL REQUIRE THE CITY TO HIRE HUNDREDS OF POLICE OFFICERS REGARDLESS OF THE COST.
UM, MY AREA IN THE COMPLICATED WORLD IS, UH, POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN FRONT OF PEOPLE LIKE JUDGE COHN AND OTHERS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'M ON THE CURRENT POLICE ACADEMY REVIEW COMMISSION.
UH, AND I SPEND A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT POLICING AND WE ARE AT A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE REFUNDED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UNDER A MANDATE FROM HOUSE BILL 1900 FULLY IN FACT, MORE THAN REQUIRED.
AND THERE ARE CADETS COMING IN AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT INTERRUPTING THE CURRICULUM REFORM THAT IS MUCH NEEDED IN THIS TOWN.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO ADD HUNDREDS OF POLICE OFFICERS.
I HOPE IT DOESN'T PASS, BUT IT WILL IMPACT THINGS I CARE ABOUT.
UM, ANYWAY, I THINK I'M FINISHED.
I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
TO KNOW THAT IT IS GOING TO IMPACT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO FUND THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, LIKE OUR ANIMAL SERVICES.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU, CATHY, FOR TALKING TO US ABOUT THAT.
UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PAT VOWELS TRAYS.
THANK YOU, CRAIG AND COMMISSIONERS.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE WORK DONE BY THE SHELTER SPACE COMMITTEE AND THE MANY RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER, I AM OPPOSED TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SHELTER DIRECTOR TO RELEASE PETS, TO ADOPTERS WITHOUT THE PET BEING STERILIZED.
IF THE VETERINARY STAFF IS NOT ABLE TO STERILIZE A PET WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 96 HOURS, BUT I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
THE IMPORTANT THING IS I AM OPPOSED TO THAT BEING A RECOMMENDATION.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE
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PROPOSALS SUCH AS IF THE VETERINARY STAFF CANNOT GET THE ANIMALS WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED STERILIZED WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER ADOPTION.PLEASE SEND THE PET TO A VETERINARIAN WHO WILL STERILIZE THE PET AND USE THE DONATIONS FUNDS TO COVER THE COST.
SO DONATIONS FUND HAS A FUND BALANCE OF $325,000.
LET ME REPEAT THAT THE DONATIONS FUND HAS A FUN BALANCE OF $325,000.
THERE IS NO REASON THAT DONATIONS CAN NOT BE USED TO STERILIZE A PET INSTEAD OF US SENDING UP PET OUT IN PACKS.
A SIMILAR THOUGH SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT OPTION IS TO REQUIRE A REFUNDABLE STERILIZATION DEPOSIT OF A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH AMOUNT, SUCH AS A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO ENSURE THAT THE ADOPTER GETS THE PETS STERILIZED.
A THIRD OPTION IS A COMBINATION OF THESE TWO.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD REQUIRE A $100 STERILIZATION DEPOSIT, BUT LOWER IT.
IF THE PERSON ADOPTING IS LOW INCOME OR HAS A HARDSHIP REQUIRING A SUBSIDY, AND THEN YOU WOULD USE THE DONATIONS FUNDS TO PAY A VET TO SUBSIDIZE THE STERILIZATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE CREATIVE OPTIONS INSTEAD OF SENDING A PET OUT IN TACK, THEN I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER ONE OF THESE OPTIONS.
IF I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL TIME, I WOULD URGE YOU TO PLEASE OPPOSE THE CUT OF A CRUELTY OFFICER.
UM, AS KATHY MITCHELL SAID, UH, THERE IS A MOVE RIGHT NOW TO RESTORE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS OR, OR TO FULLY FUND THEM.
AND YET WE ARE CUTTING ONE CRUELTY INVESTIGATOR THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
WE NEED AT LEAST TWO CRUELTY INVESTIGATORS, IF NOT MORE IN A CITY, THE SIZE OF AUSTIN.
AND PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE HOWEVER, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
THEY HAVE TO FUND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT NOT HAVE TO CRUELTY INVESTIGATORS.
I THINK I'VE USED UP MY TIME, SO I WILL STOP.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
UH, AND THE LAST SPEAKER, UH, TONIGHT IS RITA CROSS IS READ ACROSS HERE.
EVERYONE'S ON MUTED AND I DON'T, THE NUMBER WENT DOWN FOR THEM.
SO, WELL THEN WE'LL GO ON IF READ ACROSS IS NOT HERE.
SO, UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF
[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE MINUTES.THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN EMAILED OUT AND THEY'RE POSTED, UH, ONLINE.
SO, UH, WHAT I WOULD, THESE ARE FOR OUR SPECIAL CALL MEETING, JULY 19TH.
UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SPECIALIST.
DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND, A LOT OF SECONDS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY.
THEN THAT LOOKS TO BE UNANIMOUS FOR ME WHEN I COULD SEE.
NOW WE COME TO STAFF BRIEFINGS.
UH, THE FIRST BRIEFING IS AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER AND ANIMAL SERVICES REPORTS,
[2a. Austin Animal Center and Animal Services Reports]
THE CONVENTION STATIONS.UH, SO I'LL TRY TO BE REALLY BRIEFLY UP AND GET BACK TO THE AGENDA.
THE LIVE OUTCOME PERCENTAGE OF JULY WAS 96.6%.
WE HAD A TOTAL 1,336 ANIMALS BROUGHT TO THE SHELTER, UH, WHICH INCLUDED DOGS, CATS, WILD ANIMALS, AND SEVEN BIRDS.
UM, THE, WE ACTUALLY HAD A TOTAL OF 865 ANIMALS OVER ABOUT THIS.
THERE WERE 850 DOGS AND CATS WERE ABOUT THAT AND WE HAVE 15 FULL-TIME.
WE HAD 126,000 CATHETER RETURNED TO THE OWNER THAT IS THEIR RETURN 200 PROGRAM, OR THOSE THAT WERE RPO WITHOUT, UM, IN THE FIELD OF ANIMAL PROTECTION WAS ABLE TO TAKE 39 HOURS OR GET 39 HOURS BACK TO THEIR OWNERS.
UM, WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS ARE ABLE TO GIVE OUT 38, 15, UH, WE IMPOUNDED 180 900 ANIMALS AND DELIVERED 110, UH, WILDLIFE, AND ALSO OFTEN WILDLIFE SERVICES.
UM, OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS, WE HAD
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105 VOLUNTEERS DONATE 1,895 HOURS IN JULY.WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO HAVE OUR, UH, FIRST ORIENTATION SESSION FOR THOSE WHO SIGNED UP, UM, YOU KNOW, 10TH OF PANDEMIC.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REALLY OFFER THAT.
SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS IN FIBER.
IT'S ACTUALLY BRINGING PEOPLE IN TO START THEM, GET THEM INTO THE PROCESS.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 1,205 APPROVED FOSTERS AND GILT PULSE.
UM, WE HAVE 374 ANIMALS IN FOSTER HOMES.
UH, THIS LAST MONTH WE HAD 250 ANIMALS THAT WERE TRANSFERRED TO 21 RESCUE PARTNERS.
UM, THE PRC WAS ABLE TO HAND OUT A LITTLE OVER 1900 ITEMS TO PEOPLE, PHYSICALLY FOOD, DEAD LEASHES, AND DEFERRED 19 DOGS WITH BEHAVIOR ISSUES.
WE HAD 159,000 REPORTS BEHIND 10 LOCKED DOWN WE'LL REPORT.
AND WE HAVE HAD 142 NEW SUBSCRIBERS.
IT'S THE X PROGRAMS. THAT'S ALL.
I'LL KICK IT OVER TO DON TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON,
[2b. COVID Update]
AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS MOVED TO STAGE FIVE NOW.SO WE ARE ASKING ALL OF OUR STAFF AND VISITORS TO WEAR A MASK, UH, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BASKET NATION STATUS.
AND, UH, WE HAVE INCREASED OUR DISINFECTANT PROTOCOLS.
SO, UH, THE BUILDING STAFF IS HIS CLAIM OR OFTEN AND MISTING AND SANITIZING MORE OFTEN TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYONE AS SAFE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UH, WE HAVE HAD SOME, UH, ISSUES WITH SOME STAFF WITH COVID THAT HAS LEFT THOSE SHORTHAND IN SOME AREAS, BUT, UM, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN, AND WE HAVE STILL GOT OUR DOORS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT THIS POINT.
UH, SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE FIRST STAGE FIVE AND THE FIRST STAGE FIVE, WE WERE MANDATED TO CURBSIDE HOME LATE, AND WE HAD NOT GOT THOSE DIRECTIONS YET.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD AS SAFE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JASON BEFORE WE MOVE TOO MUCH FURTHER ON, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE HAVE GOTTEN ANIMAL SERVICES REPORTS WITH DATA.
THAT'S BEEN, UM, LIKE, UM, IT'S IN THE SAME FORMAT MONTH TO MONTH, WHICH MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO COMPARE MONTHS TWO MONTHS.
AND WHAT'S GONE ON BEFORE AND PAST, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED RECENTLY.
WE'VE BEEN GETTING DATA IN DIFFERENT FORMATS.
IS, IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE SPREADSHEET? YES.
SO WE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON GETTING THOSE, THOSE APPROVED, UH, FEDERAL MANDATED REPORTS DONE WHEN COVID SORT OF DECREASED.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT IC SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE FROM APH.
CAUSE NOW THAT 80, NOW THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY IT HAS SORT OF RAMPED UP AGAIN.
IT'S REALLY JUST ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND, AND THOSE REPORTS WERE ABOUT 90, 95% DONE.
SO WE WERE HOPING TO GET THOSE OUTFIELD.
THIS WAS JUST SORT OF MY INTERIM UNTIL WE GET, SO ARE THOSE CONSISTENT REPORTS TO TRY TO GIVE YOU ALL SOMETHING TO COMPARE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS ON, ON THE SPECIFIC MONTHS THAT YOU WERE REPORTING ON? AND SO IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE CRYSTAL REPORTS THAT Y'ALL USED TO GET.
WE WEREN'T DOING THOSE, BUT WHEN WE HAD HIM, WE'VE HAD, IT'S A LONG STORY, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHEN WE TRIED TO INSTALL NEW SOFTWARE WITHIN CHAMELEON, IS IT SORT OF MESSED UP OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR DATABASE.
AND SO THE REPORTS, WE WEREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT THE DATA WAS CORRECT.
AND SO WE WORK WITH HLP AND OUR, OUR STAFF TO TRY TO FIX THAT.
BUT THEN AGAIN, HE LOST BOTH TO COVID.
SO AS A MEANS TO TRY TO GET Y'ALL SOMETHING TO, TO LOOK AT, IF YOU HAVE A TANGIBLE IN YOUR HANDS, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER IN A MONTH.
SO I KNOW IT'S NOT CONSISTENT OR AT LEAST THE FORMAT WASN'T.
AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAD THE GRAPHS AND WHATNOT, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL THE RAW DATA IS WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO DO.
I MEAN, THAT'S A PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH REASON.
UH, I, MY POINT JUST BEING AS THAT, UH, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO TRACK.
ONE THING IS COYOTE REPORTS, WHICH I DIDN'T SEE, UH, THIS TIME, I JUST KIND OF LIKE TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT.
CAUSE I GET, YOU KNOW, BY A PEER BY WALNUT CREEK, METROPOLITAN PARK, I GET INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THE RABIES REPORTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE OVERSIGHT OF BY THE STATE.
SO, UH, IF YOU CAN INCLUDE THOSE IN THE FUTURE, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
AND I THANK YOU FOR WORKING THROUGH THAT.
I'M KNOW IT'S NOT EASY, BUT THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
AND SARAH, WE HAVE JUST TIDBITS OF INFORMATION OR THE, THE HIGHLIGHT FOR THE INFORMATION IN THE ACTUAL SERVICES REPORT, BUT WHAT IT, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS A SPREADSHEET THAT WAS PROVIDED YOU ALL IN THE PAST, BECAUSE LIKE WE HAD, I DIDN'T GO OVER IT RIGHT NOW THIS TIME, BUT LIKE WE HAD THIS LAST MONTH, WE HAD 247 RABIA SOLDIERS REPORT AND SUBMITTED
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THAT SPECIMENS FOR RABIES TESTING.WE HAD 30 TOTAL COYOTE RELATED ACTIVITIES.
IT'S IT'S IN THE NARRATIVE, BUT, UM, IT WAS THERE SOMETHING WHERE SUBSTANCE IN THAT YOU WANT THE DAD OR I CAN WORK WITH OUR WILDLIFE OFFICER, YOU'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT.
UM, MAYBE, YEAH, MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE THE NARRATIVE ON THE, I DOWNLOAD THE STUFF OFF THE WEB, BUT ANYWAY, WELL THAT, I THAT'S JUST WE'LL GO ON, BUT, BUT THOSE ARE JUST, JUST ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRACK.
I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ON JASON ON THE DATA.
WERE YOU ABLE TO GET ANY HELP HILL AND COULD THEY HELP WITH SOME OF THIS BACK DATA THAT IT'S STILL SAYING, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MATTER TO YOUR NEW SYSTEM, BUT MAYBE ON PROVIDING STUFF? YEAH.
IT'S CRITICAL TO WORK WITH THEM ON, ON TRYING TO BUILD OUT SOME OF THE REPORTS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DID GET PULLED AWAY, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH HE'S BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH IT, UM, WITH THEM AS A FOLLOWUP AND TO GET A FINAL PRODUCT.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE PARTS WE WERE WORKING ON, LIKE WITH THE MATH STUFF.
BUT WHEN I, I CHECKED IT, THERE WAS STILL DATA MISSING.
AND SO YOU HAD TO GET BACK WITH THEM JUST TO, JUST TO SEE WHAT, WHAT DID IT OCCUR AT LEAST IN BUILDING THAT REPORT OUT.
UM, AND IS THIS YOUR, IS THIS THE CITY'S DATA PERSON OR OUR, WELL, OUR PERSON IS BILLING IT ON OUR SIDE.
HE'S CONSULTING WITH HLP ON, ON WHAT SPECIFIC HE'S ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO LEARN IT AS WELL.
THAT HE'S, THEY, THEY HAD SAID THEY COULD COME DOWN OR LOG ONTO THE SYSTEM.
HAVE WE TRIED TO TAKE THEM UP ON ANY OF THAT? AS FAR AS I KNOW YES.
THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON HOW TO BUILD BUILDERS REPORTS INTO LOGIN AS NEEDED.
AND THEN ONE OTHER, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION IS, UM, WAS THE SHELTER WAS ADOPTIONS CLOSE TODAY? AND COULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT? UH, YES.
WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN, UH DOBSON'S THIS MORNING WE HAD A STAFF SHORTAGE, ESSENTIALLY, IF WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ADOPTION STAFF.
AND SO WE HAD TO, UH, MOVE PEOPLE AROUND AND CALL PEOPLE IN.
SO THAT WAY WE COULD PROCESS ADOPTIONS THAT WERE LEAVING THE PLANES AND ANY ADOPTIONS THAT, THAT WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE ABLE TO COME IN.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO WALK A FEW OF THEM THROUGH, BUT OVERALL YES, WE HAD, WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY BACK AND SECRETARIES.
WE HAD TO PULL PEOPLE OFF AND TRY AND PROCESS AS WELL.
AND THAT'S, SO THAT'S UP HERE TO RESOLVE BY THE END OF THE DAY OR? YES, WE'RE HOPING SO, YES.
DID LOTTA HAVE A QUESTION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD.
UH, JASON, WHAT IS THE SPECIES BREAKDOWN FOR LIVE RELEASE RATE, UH, IN THE FACT THAT SPREADSHEET? SO AT LEAST FOR NEONATES, WE HAD 88.8% FOR KITTENS.
WE WERE AT 96.9% ARE AT 93.3% NEONATE FOR DOGS.
83.3 PUPPIES ARE 99.1 AND DOGS ARE AT 98.4 AND MAY HAVE BEEN IN AN OUTCOME, UH, THAT SHOW LINDA SENT LATER THIS AFTERNOON.
SHE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE OUTCOME PARKER TO GO INTO THE WAS SENT OUT EVERY, THE ONLY THANK YOU.
WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE STAFF SHORTAGE THIS MORNING? WAS IT COVID OR WHAT, WHAT, UH, HOW DO I THINK I MIGHT LIVE HYBRID? I'M NOT SURE.
I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT CALLED IN AND SAID THAT, THAT WE REALLY CAN'T GO INTO MUCH, BUT YES, THEY, THEY, UM, YEAH, YOU JUST HAVE THEM NOT SHOW UP.
I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS SOME SORT OF PROTEST OR STRIKE.
UM, IS THERE ANY ACCURACY TO THAT NOW? WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY, ONE MORE QUICK ONE.
JASON, WHAT WAS THE LIVE RELEASE RATE ON POPPY'S NAME? YOU WANT A PUPPY OR NEONATE FOR 83.3 AND PUPPIES WITH 99.4.
IF THESE WERE 1991 AND NEONATES WERE 88.
WE HAD 12 NEONATES ALTOGETHER AND WE, AND WE HAVE THE EUTHANIZED.
SO WE WERE AT 83.3%, 83.1 FOR NEONATES KIP.
UH, HE EVEN MADE PITONS WITH 88.8 IN ADULTS.
SO NEONATES PUPPIES WERE 83.3.
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OKAY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WELL, LET'S GO ON THEN.
I GUESS WE'RE NOW UP TO UPDATE
[2c. Update on Austin Animal Center Rescue and Transport Program]
ON ANIMALS CENTER, RESCUE AND TRANSPORT PROGRAM.SO THAT'S UP TO YOU, SARAH, DO YOU HAVE THIS BRACKET? UM, I SAID BELINDA SLIDES, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHARE THAT.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, I CAN SPEAK TO IT.
THIS IS MY FIRST AND ADVISORY LIVE FIVE COMMISSION MEETINGS.
UH, I'M SARAH MURPHY, THE TRANSPORT COORDINATOR FOR THE AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER.
UM, MY BACKGROUND IS ACTUALLY IN SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT.
I WAS APPLIED TO YOUR DEGREE, UM, FIVE YEARS OF WORKING EXPERIENCE AND THAT OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY AND ANALYTICS, SALES, AND MARKETING, UM, AND ALSO A YEAR OF VOLUNTEER EXPERIENCE WITH A BIG, BIG, BIG, UH, RESCUE TRANSPORTER OUT OF HOUSTON.
AND YEAH, I'M EXCITED TO TELL YOU GUYS ABOUT OUR MOOD TRANSPORT PROCESS.
AND I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT SINCE WE'RE BUILDING THIS PROCESS FROM THE GROUND UP, IT'S, IT'S NEW, IT'S EVER EVOLVING, AND I HAVE LIKE A MENTALITY ABOUT IT TO CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE IT AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY ADDRESSING, ESPECIALLY THE SPACE PROBLEMS HERE AT THE AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER.
SO, UM, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE AAC, UM, BECAUSE TRANSPORT IS A MUCH MORE MATURE INDUSTRY THAN IT WAS A FEW, JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, I'VE SPENT THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
I STARTED HERE IN MAY, UH, REACHING OUT TO OVER 200 RESCUES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND, UM, RESEARCHING AND CONTACTING 60 ROUND TRANSPORTERS.
PRIMARILY THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE OF, UM, ABO TRANSPORTERS AS WELL THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO.
I HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT I ASK THEM.
I TRY TO GO THROUGH, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALIGNED WITH AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER'S MISSION, UM, FOR NO KILL AND KIND OF ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITS OF THE TRANSPORT PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LATE TO THE GAME.
A LOT OF THE PARTNERS THAT I'VE BEEN CONTACTING ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH TRANSPORTS AND THEY ALREADY RECEIVED THEM AND THEY TEND TO BE PRETTY PARTICULAR ABOUT THE DOGS THAT THEY WILL AGREE TO TAKE.
SO THERE'S A PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UM, BACK AND FORTH THERE AND THEY WILL ONLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE USUALLY NON-PROFITS SO THEY'RE USUALLY MUCH SMALLER THAN WE ARE.
SO THEY TEND TO KNOW WHAT THEIR LIMITATIONS ARE AND THEY ONLY WANT TO TAKE DOGS THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN GET ADOPTED AND THAT THEY KNOW THAT WON'T COME BACK AND THEY KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE FIVE OUTCOMES.
SO THE RISK OF SOMETHING HAPPENING TO TRANSPORT I THINK IS PRETTY, PRETTY NEGLIGIBLE.
AND IT OPENS UP A WHOLE NEW AVENUE FOR US TO MOVE DOGS OUT A LOT QUICKER.
AND SO WE CAN FOCUS OUR RESOURCES HERE, UM, ON OUR ONSITE POPULATION DOGS THAT UNFORTUNATELY MOST LIKELY WILL NOT HAVE AN OUTCOME AND THE TRANSPORT CHANNEL, UM, FOR MULTITUDE OF REASONS.
AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN BECAUSE, UM, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'VE SPOKEN TO MULTIPLE TRANSPORTERS AND, UM, RESCUE PARTNERS THAT HAVE ALSO CHATTED WITH CLAIRE CARLTON AND WORKED WITH HER, UM, AT AMERICAN PETS ALIVE.
SO I THINK I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND WE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED OUR FIRST TRANSPORT LAST, UM, FRIDAY, THEY, THEY WENT TO WISCONSIN, UH, LOVELY SHELTER IN WISCONSIN, EIGHT DOGS AND OF THE, OF THE EIGHT, THREE OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL OF OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER TRANSPORT OF SEVEN DOGS, UM, GOING TO COLORADO THIS FRIDAY AND, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MORE THINGS IN THE WORKS, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE, WE'RE IMPROVING, LEARNING AND GETTING BETTER AT IT EVERY TIME.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, WHAT CITIES IN WISCONSIN AND COLORADO, UM, THAT WAS GONE.
SOMEONE IS HAYWARD, WISCONSIN.
IT'S LIKE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND FORT COLLINS, COLORADO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HI, WELCOME TO YOUR FIRST ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, DO WE CON DOES AAC CURRENTLY HAVE A CHALLENGE ADOPTING THE DOGS THAT YOU DESCRIBED OUT QUICKLY OR TRANSFERRING THEM TO LOCAL PARTNERS? UH, YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DOGS HERE.
UM, VERY OFTEN THERE'S PERFECTLY ADOPTABLE DOGS
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THAT OFTEN GET OVERLOOKED HERE IN THE SHOW.UM, AND I DO, I CREATED, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT MAYBE, UM, THIS DOGGY DATABASE THAT I SHARE WITH HERS AND I TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO LOOK AT SOME OF OUR LONGER STAY DOGS.
I HIGHLIGHT LIKE A LIST OF DOGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR TRANSPORT.
MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE FOR WEEKS IF NOT MONTHS, BUT THEY'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, SOLID TEMPERAMENTS, GOOD WITH PEOPLE, UM, BUT TEND TO BE OVERLOOKED BY OUR SHELTER.
SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THESE RELATIONSHIPS HAVE TO BUILD OVER TIME AND ONCE THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH PROCEEDING DOGS FROM US AND KNOW THAT IF I RECOMMEND A DOG, UM, THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN TRUST THAT THEY CAN MOVE IT.
THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY FIND AN ADOPTER FOR IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SENSE IN ME SENDING A DOG FROM OUR SHELTER TO JUST SIT IN THEIR SHELTER, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WHOLE TRANSPARENCY THAT I'M TRYING TO BUILD WITH MY PARTNERS.
AND I I'M, I'M HOPING OVER TIME WE CAN ONE SEND MORE DOGS, UM, TWO FEWER PARTNERS SO THAT THEY CAN KIND OF CONCENTRATE THEIR POLES, UM, FROM US AND THEN TO TRY TO MOVE SOME OF OUR LONGER STATE DOGS AND OUR MORE FULLY AGREED, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS SEASONAL THINGS, OVERLAYING IT, LOTS OF RESCUE PARTNERS, UM, ARE PRETTY FULL FROM THE SUMMER, STILL, EVEN UP NORTH.
SO I'M HOPING TOWARDS THE FALL, IT'LL, IT'LL START PICKING UP AND WE CAN START MOVING SOME MORE.
SO THEY WENT TO HAYWARD AND FORT BEN, COLORADO FORT COLLINS, FORT COLLINS.
ALSO, WE HAD A 96.6% LIBRARY LEASE RATE LAST MONTH.
WHAT WERE THE LIVE RELEASE RATES FOR HAYWARD AND FORT COLLINS? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE, I MEAN, I I'VE, I'VE NOT BEEN, I'VE NOT HIDDEN MY BELIEFS THAT I THINK THIS IS, UH, UH, A TERRIBLE PUBLIC POLICY DECISION, BUT, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IT IS, UM, INTAKE PER CAPITA, THAT THERE'S SOME, UM, ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN DONE.
THAT'S DETERMINED THAT THESE OTHER CITIES THAT WE'RE SHIPPING OUR ANIMALS TO HAVE A HIGHER INTAKE OR A LOWER INTAKE PER CAPITA THAN WE DO.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF, UH, WHAT IS THE INTAKE PER CAPITA OF HAYWARD AND FORT COLLINS AS COMPARED TO AUSTIN? UM, SO I DIDN'T LOOK ON THE CITY LEVEL ON WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING PARTNERS, UM, WHERE I REALLY STARTED WAS, UM, THE AMERICAN PETS ALIVE FACEBOOK GROUP ALL ACTUALLY HAS LIKE A LIST OF SHELTERS THAT ARE RECEIVING, UM, THAT ARE RECEIVING TRANSPORTS FROM OUT OF STATE.
SO IT TAKES FROM OUT OF STATE.
UM, I LOOKED AT THE BEST FRIEND'S WEBSITE.
I RESEARCHED LIKE IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES TO FIND SHELTERS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, I WAS ALSO LOOKING AT SHELTERS WHO WERE LIKE IN THE GEOGRAPHIES THAT MY TRANSPORTER SHIP TO, WHICH TENDS TO BE COLORADO, THE MIDWEST, UM, AND THE EAST COAST.
SO IT HADN'T BEEN LIKE THAT TYPE OF FOCUSED, UM, RESEARCH.
IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SPRAY AND PRAY, AND I TRUST THAT IF THEY'RE RESPONDING TO ME AND THEY WANT TO TAKE IN DOGS, THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL RESPOND BACK.
AND OFTENTIMES THEY WILL SAY, HEY, THANKS.
BUT NO DAYS WE'RE FULL RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M JUST, JUST TO BE SURE, JUST TO CONFIRM THERE'S BEEN NO ANALYSIS DONE OF, UM, THE PET POPULATION, STATISTICS OF THE CITIES THAT WE'RE SENDING ANIMALS TO AS COMPARED TO TRAVIS COUNTY.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ALTOGETHER NECESSARY BECAUSE I MEAN, HEURISTICALLY, WE KNOW THAT THE SOUTH IS OVERPOPULATED IN NORTHERN STATES TEND TO HAVE LESS POPULATIONS, SO, RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO I'VE ACTUALLY DONE A LOT OF ANALYSIS ON THIS STATISTICAL ANALYSIS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, RATHER THAN JUST ASSUMING THAT THESE COMMUNITIES ARE, UH, UNDERPOPULATED AND THAT WE'RE OVERPOPULATED AS ANY ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE TO, UH, ANALYZE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE COMMUNITIES, I'M HAPPY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT ANALYSIS.
AND MAYBE WE CAN FOCUS OUR EFFORTS IN UNDERPOPULATED AREAS.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, NO, NO ANALYSIS WAS DONE.
WHETHER THE, TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE OPEN ADMISSION ANIMAL SHELTERS THERE ARE KILLING MORE OR FEWER ANIMALS THAN OURS FROM A PERCENTAGE BASIS.
UM, I MEAN THE GOAL WAS TO FIND RESCUE PARTNERS WHO COULD RECEIVE ANIMALS.
AND LIKE I SAID, THROUGH OUR PROCESS, IT'S PRETTY SLOW AND DELIBERATE.
AND THEREFORE, I DON'T THINK OUR ANIMALS ARE AT RISK, RIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE ANIMALS THAT WE'RE SENDING THAT ARE AT RISK.
IF THERE'S, IF WE'RE EVER SENDING ANIMALS TO A COMMUNITY THAT HAS A HIGHER KILL RATE THAN OURS, THEN WE'RE DISPLACING ANIMALS THAT THAT WOULD HA WOULD, MIGHT HAVE BEEN SAVED.
BUT FOR THE FACT THAT WE'RE SENDING HOURS THERE.
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UM, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF, IF WE, IT DOESN'T JUST MATTER.IF WE FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL ACCEPT THEM, IT MATTERS FROM A, FROM A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE, HOW THE ANIMALS ARE TREATED THERE.
WE CERTAIN MANY YEARS AGO, WE TRIED TO SHIP 50 OF OUR DOGS AND CATS TO HOUSTON, WHICH HAD, UH, TO THE HOUSTON SPCA, WHICH HAD A, SOMETHING LIKE AN 80 SOMETHING PERCENT KILL RATE AT THE TIME.
UM, SO, UH, THAT WAS NOT SMART AND, UH, AND ENDED UP BEING STOPPED.
AND SO MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT, UH, IF WE'RE CAREFUL, WE COULD ACTUALLY END UP DOING FAR MORE HARM THAN GOOD.
UH, AND IN THE PROCESS SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT TO, UM, SAY THE ANIMALS IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A, AN EXTREMELY LOW INTAKE PER CAPITA RIGHT NOW IN TRAVIS COUNTY.
WE HAVE WHAT, SIX OR 8,000 ANIMALS IN HERE AND, UM, ARE ON PAYS FOUR AND 2 MILLION PEOPLE.
UM, THAT'S AMONG THE LOWEST INTAKE PER CAPITA.
I WOULD IMAGINE IF ANY LARGE CITY IN THE COUNTRY, MUCH LESS, UM, ONE THAT'S ALREADY SAVING 90, ROUGHLY 97% OF THE ANIMALS NOW, UM, IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT ON YOU.
AND I, AND I'M SORRY TO, TO, TO BRING IT DOWN ON YOU.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DOING IT VERY WELL.
UM, BUT FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS IN MY OPINION AND DREADFUL IDEA AND RESOURCES, AND WE'LL GET TO IT LATER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SPACE CRUNCH.
BUT, UM, BY HOLDING ANIMALS THAT ARE HIGHLY ADOPTABLE AND PUTTING HOLDS ON THEM, WE'RE ALSO CREATING THE SPACE CRUNCH THAT WE'RE THEN USING TO JUSTIFY EUTHANIZING.
AND THAT'S JUST A WRETCHED PUBLIC POLICY DECISIONS, BUT I'LL MOVE ON.
WHAT KIND OF CONTRACT DO WE HAVE FOR THESE AUTO STATE RESCUES TO ENSURE THAT ONCE THE ANIMAL GETS THERE, UM, HE OR SHE IS SAFE AND NOT EUTHANIZED FOR LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, SOME SURPRISE, WHOOPS.
IT REALLY DOES HAVE HEART OR WHAT KIND OF CONTRACT WE HAVE THAT, THAT, UM, ENSURES THAT THAT ANIMAL IS SAFE.
AND WHAT KIND OF OUTCOME METRICS ARE YOU TRACKING ON THE ANIMALS THAT ARE SENT ON THEIR, ON THEIR OUTCOMES AND FINAL DISPOSITION? WHERE ARE YOU BREASTFEEDING PARTNER? ANYBODY WITH ANY BREASTFEED? THERE'S NO SPECIAL CONTRACT AT ALL? NO.
ARE WE TRACKING THEIR FINAL DISPOSITIONS OR OUTCOMES IN ANY WAY? THERE'S BEEN EIGHT DOGS SENT OUT.
THREE OF THEM ARE ADOPTED OVER THE, YEAH.
AND IT'S BEING REPORTED THUSLY AND CHAMELEON AS TRANSFER.
THEY'RE BEING RECORDED IN CHAMELEON THAT THEY'RE BEING TRANSFERRED OUT OF STATE, BUT THEIR FINAL OUTCOME THAT IS BEING RECORDED, WHETHER THEY WERE ADOPTED OR RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO RAMP THIS UP.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE, BUT THAT'S WHY THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF MAKE SURE, MAKING SURE TO WORK, PLACING THEM AT PARTNERS WHERE WE CAN FEEL CONFIDENT IN THEIR OUTCOME DECISIONS.
THAT'S THE STANDARD CONTRACT THAT ALL RESCUE PARTNERS GET TO CONFIRM.
WE ARE NOT IN ANY WAY TRACKING WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE ANIMALS ONCE THEY LEAVE OFFICIALLY.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR FACEBOOK GROUP, THAT'S THE OUTCOME.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US AN OVERVIEW OF IT.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON IF WE'RE USING AGREEMENT, I HAVEN'T SEEN A RECENT COPY.
SO ISN'T THERE SOMETHING IN THERE REGARDING PROVIDING MEDICAL CARE FOR THE ANIMALS.
SHOULD IT BE NEEDED? JASON, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT ON THIS ONE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE WAY THE BURDEN SENT TO Y'ALL WAS BY OUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS YES, THEY WOULD, ONCE THEY, ONCE THEY TAKE OWNERSHIP, THE ANIMAL THERE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL MEDICAL CARE, ANYTHING REGARDING TO THIS POSITION AND HOW TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR, ANY LOCAL STATE LAWS WITH THE CARE AND DISPOSITION OF THE ANIMAL.
WELL, WHAT, AND I GUESS THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION IS I, AFTER LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION ON THE SHELTER THAT WAS TRANSFERRED TO ON THEIR WEBSITE, THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR EUTHANASIA RATE IS USUALLY LESS THAN 4%, BUT THEY SAY IT ONLY TAKES PLACE IN CASES OF AGGRESSION, TERMINAL
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ILLNESS, AND AN ILLNESS THAT THREATENS THE HEALTH OF OTHER SHELTER, ANIMALS, FOR EXAMPLE, PARVO OR BEHAVIORAL ISSUE THAT MAKES AN ANIMAL AND ADOPT UNADOPTABLE.HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY SPECIFICS REGARDING THAT? AND, UH, CONTAGIOUS, THAT COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE URI, PARVO, DISTEMPER, RINGWORM ARE ALL OF THOSE CONSIDERED TO BE YOUTH AND ILLNESSES THAT THE ANIMAL COULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR.
NO DOGS GO ON TRANSPORT THAT HAVE COMMUNICABLE DISEASES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T SENT YOUNG ENOUGH DOGS, I THINK, TO BE LIKE PARVO, DISTEMPER RISKS.
UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION, BUT THEY COULD CATCH IT THERE, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TRANSPORTED, BUT THEY COULD CATCH IT THERE.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY WOULDN'T? NO, BECAUSE MOST OF THE SHELTERS WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MEDICAL CARE ONCE THEY RECEIVE IT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S BENEFICIAL BECAUSE TYPICALLY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN VETTING CAPABILITIES OR LOCAL EVENTS, BUT IT SAYS THIS ON THEIR WEBSITE.
UM, I DON'T, I DOUBT THEY WOULD EUTHANIZE FOR A CURABLE DISEASE, BUT I CAN PASS THEM.
BUT THIS IS KIND OF LIKE WHAT I WAS DESCRIBING BEFORE, WHERE WE DO GO INTO PRETTY EXPLICIT BEFORE THE DOGS ARE EVEN TAGGED AND MADE UNAVAILABLE.
UM, AND THEY LOOKED THROUGH THEIR HEALTH RECORDS.
THEY WILL PROVE THE RED PAGE, YOUR RECORDS I'LL SEND THEM VIDEOS.
THEY CAN SEE PICTURES AND THEY SELECT THE DOGS THAT THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN GET ADOPTED.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO KNOWINGLY ACCEPT THE DOG THAT THEY THINK THAT I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE HEALTH OF THE ANIMAL WHEN THEY ACCEPT IT.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT IF THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE HEALTH OF THE ANIMAL ONCE IT ARRIVES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OR IF IT BECOMES WHAT THEY CALL BEHAVIORAL ISSUE THAT MAKES IT UNADOPTABLE, IS IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES AND THINGS THAT WE'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE SENDING ANIMALS TO, UM, A PLACE THAT HAD A SIMILAR, UH, POLICY AND OUTLOOK ON EUTHANASIA AS AUSTIN.
SO I PULLED UP MY DOCUMENT WHERE I SPOKE TO THE NORTHWOODS ANIMAL OR HUMANE SOCIETY ORIGINALLY.
UM, I ASKED THEM TO DESCRIBE THEIR, YOU NEED FOR EUTHANASIA POLICY.
AND THEY SAID THAT THEY ONLY EUTHANIZED IN EVENTS OF VERY AGGRESSIVE ANIMALS.
THAT WOULD BE A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THOSE ARE NOT DOGS THAT WE WOULD EVER SEND ON TRANSPORT BECAUSE OF FEAR OF THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE ON THE TRANSPORT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, HEALTH WISE, I MEAN, THESE ARE NONPROFIT RAISED SOCIETIES, USUALLY PRETTY MUCH ON BOARD WITH TRYING TO HAVE AS MANY LIVE OUTCOMES.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE VERY UNIQUE IN THAT SENSE.
I THINK THIS IS, I APPRECIATE THAT THIS WAS INFORMATION I GOT FROM THEIR WEBSITE, WHICH RATES.
YEAH, LOUISE, GO AHEAD, KATIE.
I WANT TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE AND TEAM FROM THE AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER TO DO.
WE SHOULD TAKE TO DO THESE TRANSPORTS.
I CAN SEE IN A LOT OF SHELTERS AROUND THIS COUNTRY HAVE HUGE, HUGE TRANSPORTS.
I CAN SEE HOUSTON COULD HAVE A LOT OF TRANSPORTS AND I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSPORT.
IT LOOKS NICE FOR THE CONCRETE ELEMENTS AND, UH, FROM BREASTFEED PARTNERS,
DURING ONE YEAR LOOKS LIKE ALMOST MY PREMISE HIGH PERCENT OF THE PETS.
AND MOST OF THEM HAVE BULK HISTORY
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BIG INDIES.
I KNOW THAT ALL THE PROGRAMS, THE BEGINNING IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT, BUT, UH, I THINK CAN BE A PERFECT, UH, MOVE FROM THE AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER.
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THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, BUTAND IF YOU TRANSPORT 7.6 PER WEEK, IT'S ALMOST THESE 400 ANIMALS PER YEAR.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC NUMBER YET OF ANIMALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO SINCE THEY'RE SO NEW.
UM, I DO SEE THE POTENTIAL TO GROW.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE TRANSPORTED OUR FIRST EIGHT LAST WEEK.
WE'RE GOING TO BE TRANSPORTING SEVEN THIS WEEK.
MY HOPE IS THAT DEFINITELY RAMPS UP, ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE S THE LINKER SEASON OR COLDER BUNKS COME AROUND.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ACTUAL BIG CONSTRAINTS ON THE PROGRAM IS LIKE PHYSICAL TRANSPORT OR CAPACITY BECAUSE THEIR SERVICES ARE SO IN DEMAND.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF LIKE TAKING DOGS OUT THAT ARE MORE OF OUR LONG ISN'T OUR BEHAVIOR CASES.
UM, THIS WEEK, WE ACTUALLY ARE SENDING OUT PRIM, WHO HAS BEEN AT OUR SHELTER FOR 375 DAYS.
UM, A COUPLE OF, MOST OF THE DOGS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR LONGER THAN TWO WEEKS BEFORE, UM, AND ALMOST A MONTH, WHICH IS MUCH SOONER THAN I ACTUALLY TRANSPORT OR SORRY.
UM, FIVE OF THEM RIGHT NOW ARE IN FOSTER, AND MY GOAL IS TO BUILD UP THE SHORT-TERM FOSTER NETWORK.
SO WE ARE ALLEVIATING SHELTER SPACE MUCH MORE QUICKLY.
AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS NUMEROUS BENEFITS OF KEEPING THE ANIMAL HEALTHY, HELPING IMPROVE ITS BEHAVIORS BEFORE TRANSPORT.
UM, AND THAT FOSTER NETWORK WILL REALLY BE CRITICAL TO THIS PROCESS.
I THINK IN THE LONGER RUN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO PLACE OUR MORE LONG STAY DOGS THAT TEND TO HAVE MORE SHELTER, STRESS, AND THEREFORE BEHAVIORS.
BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THAT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE A RELATIONSHIP THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT BETWEEN US AND THE RECEDING PARTNERS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN STILL FEEL CONFIDENT, EVEN THOUGH THIS DOG HAS SOME BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS THAT THEY CAN MANAGE THE PROBLEMS AND IT IS GOING TO HAVE A LIVE OUTCOME.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL PERIOD.
UM, BUT YES, I WILL TRY TO FOCUS ON LONG STAYS.
I CONSISTENTLY RECOMMEND BULLY BREEDS TO THESE SHELTERS.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF WHAT THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN ADOPT OUT, WHICH IS JUST REALISTIC.
YOU WOULDN'T INTAKE THAT WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T IMPORT DOGS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WE COULD GET ADOPTED OUT, NOT THAT WE WOULD EVER NEED TO, BUT IT'S JUST, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND, AND ALMOST SOLD.
AMERICAN PIPE HAVE A VERY NICE AND NEAT LOGISTIC TRANSPORTING 90 MONTHS.
I KNOW THE SHELTER FROM THE RADAR, AND I THINK THEY TRANSPORT 70 ANIMALS TWO TIMES IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, UH, MAY BE A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE CONTACT WITH BEES, WITH THESE, UH, DIRECTOR ON AND JUST CROSSING FORMATION FOR THE WELLBEING OF ALL THE, ALL THE PETS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WATER WHEN CLAIRE CALLISON AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES.
AND, UM, I REACHED OUT TO HER IN THE PAST, LIKE TWO WEEKS OR SO TO TRY TO MAYBE FOR MORE OF A COLLABORATION, UM, NO RESPONSES YET, BUT THAT'S, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY TOO.
UM, TODAY I SPOKE WITH THE SPCA TRANSPORT PROGRAM MANAGER, AND THAT'S ALSO, UH, AN OUTFIT THAT WE'RE PURSUING.
SO, LIKE I SAID, LIKE, I AM, I'M SUPER OPEN TO THINKING ABOUT THIS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS WITH THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF IT BEING SAFE, LIFE OUTCOMES FOR, FOR OUR DOGS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT BREAKS MY HEART THAT THEY'RE SITTING UP HERE, KATIE.
I DO, I'LL MAKE IT REALLY QUICK.
THANKS FOR ANSWERING ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.
UM, THE MAIN QUESTION IS, CAN YOU SEND US THE CENSUS OF THE ANIMALS THAT ARE BEING TRANSPORTED, UM, BOTH ON THE FIRST TRANSPORT AND THE UPCOMING TRANSPORT.
AND THEN MY SECOND PART TO THAT QUESTION IS, DOES THAT CENSUS INCLUDE LENGTH OF STAY FOR EACH OF THOSE ANIMALS, UM, AT THE SHELTER? UM, YES, I CAN INCLUDE LENGTH OF STAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY.
LET'S GET NANCY, UH, OR NO, UH, IS JOANNE AND THEN A LOT IS NEXT JOANNE AND THE LOT.
SARAH, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TREMENDOUS HARD WORK.
I KNOW IT'S A LOT, I'M THRILLED ABOUT PRIM.
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ONE OF THOSE ADOPTABLE DOGS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND AS AN ADOPTED.UM, AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE GETTING SHORT-TERM FOSTER AS I WAS GOING TO PICK UP HOPING TO GET A DOC ONE OF THEM TOMORROW.
AND I CHECKED TODAY AND IT'S ALREADY IN FOSTER, SO, UM, THAT'S GREAT.
UM, I JUST WANT TO JUST THROW OUT, UM, WHATEVER VOLUNTEERS CAN DO TO, UM, HELP YOU, UM, ESPECIALLY MAKE VIDEOS OF THE LONG STAYS, UM, THAT THEY WELL, UM, PLEASE REACH OUT TO THEM AND, UH, UH, POST ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE THE GOPRO, I'VE DONE SOME FOR THE LONG STAYS, BUT, UM, ANYTHING WE COULD DO WITH PHOTOS OR, UM, THE VOLUNTEERS CAN DO IT PHOTOS OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING JUST PLEASE KEEP IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
CAUSE THEY'RE DEFINITELY WILLING TO HELP YOU MAKE THIS A SUCCESS.
AT LEAST SOME OF THE ONES I KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY A COUPLE OF DAYS OUT NOW, BUT IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN PICKING UP THIS D POTENTIALLY FOR SHORT TERM FOSTER, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HER? UH, NO, BUT I'LL CHECK ON HER.
I DON'T THINK SHE'LL FIT IN MY HOUSEHOLD, BUT I'LL CHECK.
UM, IF NOT, I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE, SO I'LL, WE'LL TAKE THE PHONE LINE.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE I'LL LET YOU KNOW, JOANNE, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR DOG WALKERS TO GET MORE VIDEOS REPORTED.
THEN THAT TENDS TO BE LIKE A BIGGER SELLING POINT TO, UM, A RESCUE PARTNER THEN LIKE ONE PICTURE ALONE OR JUST THE NOTES OF CHAMELEON.
SO YES, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY FROM THE REPORT AND I AM TRYING TO PUT A PLEA OUT ON OUR FACEBOOK FOR SHORT-TERM FOSTERS TO SIGN UP, BUT WE NEED TO FIX OUR, OR CHANGE OUR APPLICATION FIRST.
AND THEN I'M TRYING TO BRING THAT CAPACITY INTO LIKE FORT ROLL SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF CLOSE THE LOOP ON SHORT-TERM FOSTERS AND GET IT LIKE FOR ONE STRAIGHT LINE.
UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THESE DOGS ARE, I GUESS TH THE DELAY IN THE DOG BEING TAGGED TO GO TO RESCUE AND IT LEAVING THE SHELTER.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON CONDENSING? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, TO ME, THAT IS NOT HELPING THE SPACE CRISIS.
WHEN YOU HAVE AN ADOPTABLE DOGS AND IT'S UNAVAILABLE AT THE SHELTER AWAITING TRANSPORT, THAT'S TWO WEEKS AWAY.
IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT DOG COULD HAVE BEEN ADOPTED IN THOSE TWO WEEKS IN THAT SHELTER TURNED OVER FOR ANOTHER DOG IN NEED.
SO ARE YOU WORKING ON SOMETHING TO CONDENSE THAT TIME BETWEEN IDENTIFICATION OF THE DOG TO BE TRANSPORTED AND THE ACTUAL TRANSPORT DATE YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD? A LOT OF THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE GOAL, UM, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY REALIZE IT'S HELPING NO ONE TO HAVE THE DOCKABLE DOGS SITTING HERE FOR LONGER THAN THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS, TWO MAIN THINGS THAT I'M DOING TO FOCUS ON THAT.
AND THAT'S TO TRY TO WORK WITH A TRANSPORTER, HOPEFULLY THE ASP CA GROUP WHO CAN HELP HAVE A MORE CONSISTENT SCHEDULE FOR LIKE WHEN OUR TRANSPORTS ACTUALLY LEAVE.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S REALLY HARD TO HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT FACTORS AND LIKE MUCH SPACE.
THE TRI-QUARTER HAS WHAT LOCATION THEY'RE GOING TO, HOW MANY DOGS CAN THEY RECEIVE? THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT MISSING PIECES.
SO IT'S VERY HARD TO DO IT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT LIKE ONCE WE HAVE A BIT MORE MOMENTUM WITH LIKE OUR RESCUE PARTNERS AND OUR TRANSPORTER, THAT WE CAN NARROW THAT DOWN TO LIKE DEFINITELY LESS, DEFINITELY TWO WEEKS OR LESS.
UM, AND IDEALLY EVEN SHORTER THAN THAT, AND THEN HAVING THEM A HUNDRED PERCENT PLACED IN SHORT-TERM FOSTER, SO THAT WE'RE FREEING UP THAT SPACE IMMEDIATELY.
AND A LOT OF SHELTERS ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE IF THE FOSTER OR SORRY, IF THE DOG IS IN A FOSTER FOR ABOUT A WEEK, BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE A QUARANTINE PERIOD.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE DOG GETS A LITTLE BIT LESS STRESSED.
THEY CAN GET SOME BETTER NOTES AND THEY'RE JUST, EVERYBODY LOVES FOSTERING.
SO, UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR SHORT-TERM FOSTERS FOR ESPECIALLY YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE, UM, LESS FLEXIBILITY OR ANYBODY REALLY, UM, WHO JUST WANTS A SHORTER TERM COMMITMENT.
SO I THINK WE CAN BUILD UP THAT CAPACITY PRETTY WELL.
AND THEN MY, MY, UM, SECOND AND FINAL QUESTION ON THIS IS, UM, IS, IS SOMETHING BEING PUT INTO THE TRANSPORT PROGRAM PROCEDURE.
UM, THAT'S GOING TO IDENTIFY WHAT YOU WILL OR WILL NOT DO IN A SPACE CRY IF THAT, IF THERE'S ANOTHER SPACE CRISIS AGAIN, MEANING, UM, IF AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER IS IN A SPACE CRISIS, ARE YOU GOING TO PAUSE A TRANSPORT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HOLDING
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AVAILABLE ANIMALS IN KENNELS AS ARE UNAVAILABLE BECAUSE THEIR TRANSPORT IS, YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS, HOWEVER MANY DAYS AWAY.SO IS THERE SOMETHING BEING CONSIDERED FOR THAT IN YOUR PROGRAM? UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.
UM, BUT YEAH, LIKE I SAID, JUST BECAUSE THIS PROCESS IS SO NEW, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY IT PROBABLY DOESN'T CAUSE OR CONTRIBUTE TO THE SPACE CRISIS.
I WOULDN'T SAY CAUSED BUT CONTRIBUTE.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT.
AND I, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB FROM, FROM NOTHING TO WHERE WE'RE ALREADY AT A, SHE'S ALREADY OUT WITH THIS IT'S UM, IT'S PHENOMENAL.
YEAH, I COMMENT IN THE QUESTION.
THE FIRST THING IS THAT IT, WASN'T HARD TO FIND OUT THE NUMBERS, UM, WHICH I DID WHILE WE WERE PULLING WHILE WE WERE ON THE CALL.
UM, LARIMER COUNTY, UH, APPEARS TO TAKE IN ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT WE DO AND HAS A POPULATION OF ABOUT, UH, A QUARTER OF, UH, TRAVIS COUNTY'S POPULATION OF QUARTER TO A THIRD.
UM, SO AT BEST THEY HAVE THREE TIMES THE QUOTE OVERPOPULATION OR, UM, PERCENTAGE OF ANIMALS PER CAPITA NUMBER OF ANIMALS PER CAPITA THAN WE DO.
UH, I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND THE SAME NUMBER FOR, UM, FOR THE WISCONSIN SHELTER, BUT THE LERMA COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY, WHICH IS, I ASSUME THE SHELTER THAT WE SENT THE ANIMALS TO HAS A, UH, 85 REPORTS IN 85% SAVE RATE IN 2020, WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE SENDING DOGS FROM A 96%, SAY 97%.
THEY'RE GOING TO ANIMAL FRIENDS ALLIANCE IN FORT COLLINS, COLORADO.
WELL, THE LYRIC CLERMONT COUNTY HUMANE IS, IS, IS THE, I GUESS, BIGGEST SHELTER IN FORT COLLINS.
AND THAT'S, UM, THAT'S THE NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE REPORTING.
SO AT LEAST THE QUOTE UNQUOTE OPEN ADMISSION SHELTER AND THIS IN THE COMMUNITY, IT HAS AN 85%, UH, SAVE RATE, UM, WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY LOWER THAN OURS OBVIOUSLY, AND WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED NO-KILL UNDER ANY NATIONAL STANDARD.
UM, THOUGH IT WAS THE, I LOOKED UP NORTHWOODS.
IS THAT THE SHELTER IN WISCONSIN? YES.
THEY STAYED ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT THEY, THAT THEY, THAT MOST YEARS THEY HAVE UNDER A 4%, UH, YOUTH RATE, ASSUMING THAT'S A ACCURATE REFLECTION OF ALL ANIMALS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW AT, AT BEST.
AND ON, IN MOST YEARS WORSE THAN WE ARE, UM, THAT THAT GENERALLY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NO-KILL SHELTER, UM, AND NATIONAL STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY ARE OVER, YOU KNOW, 90, 90, 90 5%, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING AS WELL AS WE ARE.
UM, IT'S JUST SEEMS INSANE TO ME THAT WE'RE SENDING ANIMALS TO COMMUNITIES WITH LOWER SAVE RATES THAN OURS.
IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.
MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE PAYING, UH, TO TRANSPORT THE ANIMALS AND HAVE WE OFFERED THESE SAME ANIMALS TO OUR LOCAL RESCUES FOR MONEY IF WE'RE DOING SO FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, YES.
WE'RE PAYING FOR THE PHYSICAL TRANSPORT.
NO, WE HAVE NOT OFFERED MONEY TO LOCAL SHELTERS.
HOW MUCH PER, UH, ANIMAL ARE WE PAYING FOR THE TRANSPORT? THIS IS JUST INSANE.
THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING TO IMAGINE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, EVERY MAJOR CITY IN TEXAS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DALLAS, DOES IT FORT WORTH, DOES IT, SAN ANTONIO, ALL THE MAJOR CITIES THAT HAVE TRANSPORT IN THEIR WHEELHOUSE OF LIFESAVING AND YOU KNOW, PART OF THEIR NO-KILL EQUATION.
SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY HAS DONE WELL, HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE.
AND I WAS INVOLVED IN OUR EFFORTS AND ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS TOO.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY ARE USING IT AS A STOP GAP MEASURE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE POLICIES IN PLACE LIKE WE DO TO HELP TO HAVE A 95% SAVE RATE.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ANIMALS OUT THE DOOR, ESPECIALLY HOUSTON, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT KILLING THEM IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES.
UH, THAT IS A WAY TO PREVENT THE ANIMALS FROM BEING KILLED.
THESE ANIMALS ARE NOT AT RISK OF DEATH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE, IF NOT THE BIGGEST OF THE TOP FIVE, PROBABLY TALKED TO A SHELTER BUDGETS IN THE COUNTRY FOR A MUNICIPAL SHELTER.
WE HAVE A FRACTION OF OUR HISTORIC INTAKE, A TINY FRACTION OF OUR HISTORIC INTAKE AND THE LARGEST BUDGET WE'VE EVER HAD.
AND THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THAT.
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LARGER INTAKES THAN WE DO.SO, UH, YEAH, THEY DO SHIP ANIMALS OUT AS FAST AS THEY CAN BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE THERE IS TO KILL THEM.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS SHIPPING ANIMALS OUT TO COMMUNITIES THAT DO KILL MORE ANIMALS THAN WE DO.
I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, I CAN'T GET THEM ADOPTED HERE.
AND I'LL JUST USE THIS QUOTE THAT, UH, I'VE HEARD MANY, MANY TIMES, WHICH IS IF SOMEBODY TELLS YOU THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING, BELIEVE THEM.
I WANT TO JUMP IN JUST FOR A REALLY QUICK SECOND AND SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE COMMISSION IS A WORD THAT YOU WERE DOING.
YOU WERE DOING YOUR JOB AS INSTRUCTED.
AND I VIEW THIS PERSONALLY AS A POLICY OF LEADERSHIP AT AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER.
UM, AND APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT PERHAPS LEADERSHIP SHOULD BE.
THANK YOU, UH, NAN, UM, JOANNE, UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT OUR LOCAL RESCUE PARTNERS GET REPORTS DAILY TO SHOW HOW FULL THE SHELTER IS? A C IS OUR, UM, THE NEGATIVE KENNELS WE HAVE AND THEY CAN, FROM THOSE REPORTS, TRY TO HELP US BY COMING IN AND PULLING ANIMALS.
THERE IS A REPORT THAT GOES OUT DAILY TO A RESCUE PARTNER TO HAVE OPTED IN, TO GAIN THAT REPORTS, THAT SHOW THE SPACE COUNT AND THE ANIMALS THAT ARE ON THERE.
AND, AND IT'S TRUE THAT WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING RESCUE PARTNERS WHO ARE, UM, ARE ALSO FULL TO PULL ANIMALS LOCALLY.
AND IN FACT, ON ANOTHER HANDOUT FROM AAC, IT LOOKS LIKE IN JULY, 2019 TRANSFERS WERE 6 53 IN JULY AND LAST YEAR ARE, AND THIS YEAR THERE ARE TWO 70.
SO OUR LOCAL, OUR LOCAL SHELTERS ARE NOT STEPPING UP.
I ARE NOT ABLE TO HELP US, CORRECT? YES MA'AM.
SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THE ANIMALS OUT BEFORE THEY'RE SITTING IN THE SHELTER AND START TO HAVE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AND SEND THEM TO PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT THEM SCANNED.
AND WE'RE ALSO SENDING THEM TO SHELTERS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID THESE TWO WHO ARE, HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED BY AMERICAN PETS ALIVE AND BY BEST FRIENDS.
UM, EITHER ONE OF THOSE, I'VE DONE VARIOUS TYPES OF RESEARCH, BUT I HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHERE THEY CAME ACROSS THEM.
UM, BUT I TEND TO JUST BELIEVE THEM WHEN THEY THINK THEY CAN TAKE DOGS.
AND WHEN THEY TELL ME THEY GET 10 PLUS APPLICATIONS ON DOGS AND PEOPLE KNOCKING DOWN THEIR DOORS, THAT'S GOING TO BE A QUICKER PATH TO A HOME THEN THAT HERE, WHEN, WHEN WE DON'T SEE THAT MUCH DEMAND, WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE THREE OF THEM WERE ALREADY ADOPTED INCLUDING ONE WHO WAS A WONDERFUL, A WONDERFUL HOUNDY DOG, WHO I WALKED FOR TWO WEEKS AT A, A, AT AAC WHO HAD A PRIME LOBBY KENNEL, AND STILL NOT ADOPTED.
UM, SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
BUT IF, IF LOCAL RESCUES WANTED TO HELP US, THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE REALLY NEED HELP AT A CERTAIN TIME.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CONFIRM.
SO HOW HAVE THE, YOU SAID THAT THE LIST IS FOR LOCAL RESCUE TO SEE ON THE NEED HELP AND THE SPACE IS POLLS.
HOW MANY OF YOUR LOCAL RESCUES, LONG TIME SUPPORTERS, NONPROFITS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND TO ASSIST WITH THIS? I'VE BEEN OFFERED $150 PER ANIMAL TO HELP DURING A SPACE, CRISIS TRANSPORT.
SO I, TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT WE PAY $150 TO THE TRANSPORT COMPANY, THE RESCUE, I THINK THERE'D BE, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, IT'S THE COST TO MOVE THE ANIMAL HEALTH.
AND SO WHAT IF A LOCAL PERSON PICKED IT UP FOR THEIR RESCUE? WOULD THEY BE OFFERED THE SAME? I MEAN, IT SEEMS IF YOU'RE PAYING TO MOVE THEM OUT, YOU SHOULD TRY TO ENGAGE IN AND OFFER THE SAME FOR YOUR LOCAL PARTNERS THAT HAVE, I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING WHY NOT? HI, IT'S REBECCA MOMS WEEKEND.
SO A FEW MONTHS PRIOR, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT MONTH IT WAS.
WE HAD TRIED TO SEND HIM FOR OUR LOCAL RESCUES, UM, TO HAVE, UM, IF THEY'VE FOCUSED ON OUR LONG STAY LIST, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THEM, UM, SOME FUNDING TO HELP, UH, MAKE IT, UH, A GREAT STAGE FOR THE ANIMAL.
AND WE DID NOT HAVE ANY, BUT I THINK MAYBE ONE, SO THAT'S UP ON THAT.
I NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU REGARDING THAT, BUT WE HAVE TRIED THAT IT WAS LONG STATES.
THERE WAS LONG STAYS, CORRECT.
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LONG STAY LIPS, WHICH ALONGSIDE COULD BE MEANING 30 DAYS PLUS HERE.SO THE TRANSPORT THOUGH, FOR MOST OF THOSE WERE NOT LONG STAYS.
WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL THAT HAVE BEEN LONG PHASE IN OUR TRANSPORT, THE EIGHT, HOW MANY WERE LONG STAYS DEFINITION ON OUR LAST TRANSPORT.
WE DID HAVE ONE LONG WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DATA RIGHT NOW, BUT ON OUR LAST TRANSPORT, WE DID HAVE ONE LONG STAY ON THAT FRIEND BOARD.
IT JUST SEEMS THAT YOU WOULD OFFER THE SAME, THE SAME THING.
IF AUSTIN'S GOING TO BE PAYING FOR ANIMALS TO LEAVE, HOW ABOUT PAYING FOR HIM TO LEAVE AND STAY IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORT KILL THERE.
AND THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS JUST, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE ONE THING EITHER.
AND, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULDN'T BE LOOKED AT IF WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THEM TO LEAVE.
WHY THAT WOULDN'T BE, IF YOU'RE FULL.
WELL, WHY DON'T YOU SEND THE LIST OUT TO LOCAL PARTNERS AND SAY, WE'VE GOT A LIST OF $850 EACH WE CAN GET ON.
WELL, THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO FIND THOSE SHELL RECEDING SHELTERS THAT PAY THE TRANSPORT ON THEIR OWN SO THAT WE'RE NOT OUT ANYTHING MONETARILY.
I THINK THIS WAS JUST STOP GAP TO GET GOING.
UH, LISA, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THANK YOU, PAUL HARASSED, WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
UH, SO THAT WOULD GIVE ME KATIE.
YES, I WAS, I WAS TOLD RECENTLY BY DIRECTOR BLAND THAT THE CITY SAID THAT THERE WOULD NEVER BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAY RESCUES LOCALLY FOR, UM, PULLING ANIMALS.
AND SO I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THE EMAIL THAT WENT OUT TO RESCUE PARTNERS, OFFERING THAT PAYMENT RECENTLY, IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMISSION, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT AND UNDERSTAND THE DATE AND OFFER A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAT WENT OUT.
I'D STILL REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT.
I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE IT.
SO IS THAT A POLICY THEN THAT'S CHANGED WITH THE CITY OF BOSTON RECENTLY, THEN WE, WE USE SOME DONATED DOLLARS TO, UM, TRY TO GET SOME BEHAVIOR AND LONG DOGS OUT AND IT OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WORK.
THE TRANSPORT PROGRAM IS NO, NO, NO, NO.
THE, THE LONG STAYS THAT WE OFFERED PEOPLE TO TAKE AND PAY SOME OF THEIR ONGOING MEDICAL COSTS FAR.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT EMAIL IF YOU COULD SEND IT ALONG TO THE COMMISSION, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
WELL, LET'S MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT
[2d. Update on License Agreement with Austin Pets Alive! ]
TOPIC, WHICH IS TWO D UPDATE FROM STAFF ON STATUS OF THE LICENSE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AT AUSTIN PETS ALIVE.WE HAD SEVERAL NEGOTIATIONS AND, UH, OUR LAST NEGOTIATION, UH, WAS ON JULY THE 12TH.
AND WE WERE NOTIFIED, WE, WE MADE OUR COUNTER OFFERS AND WE WERE NOTIFIED A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER THAT THEY WERE UNACCEPTABLE.
AND IF THEY WOULD GIVE US OUR RESPONSES AND TO DATE, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT IN THE NEGOTIATION.
UH, UH, THIS IS, I'M NOT SURE HOW, UH, THERE, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, UH, WE CAN DISCUSS, BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT BE ANSWERED? UH, OKAY.
NANCY, I'M CURIOUS DIRECTOR BLAND.
UM, IF, IF WHAT, WHAT IS THERE, WHAT IS THE PLAN IF, UM, APA AND YOU CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT FOR T LACK, ARE YOU READY TO TAKE UP ALL THE ANIMALS THAT ATE THAT APA HAS BEEN TAKING THAT THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA? SO IF, NO, IT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THAT RIGHT NOW.
UH, UH, AND ASK THAT QUESTION.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TWO DEEDS, I JUMPED THE GUN.
YOU JUST CALL ALL THREE IN THERE RELATED ARE ALL, UM, ITEMS TOGETHER.
WELL, THAT'D BE TWO D AND E SO.
LESS ADD THEN D UH, ANDY, UH, BUT LESS GIVE, UH,
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THE, THE, THE, THE QUESTION IS UPDATE FROM STAFF ON NEXT STEPS TO MAINTAIN NO KILL AND MADE COUNCIL DIRECTIVES OF AUSTIN PETS, ALIVE LICENSE AGREEMENT IS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED.AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY NANCY'S QUESTION.
SO WE'LL THROW IT OUT THERE IF, UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, COUNSELED HAS MANDATED, OF COURSE, THAT THERE'D BE A SATELLITE ADOPTION CENTER AT THE, SHE LIKES PROPER DATE.
IF THAT IS NOT RUN BY AUSTIN PETS ALIVE, THEN IT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY TO DO THAT.
UM, SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE ACM ON WHAT OUR STEPS WOULD BE AND BASED ON ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, UH, NOW I HAVE HEARD, AND OF COURSE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GOING BY WHAT WE HEAR SOMETIMES HERE, IF IS THAT THE CITY DOES NOT WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO BUILD A SHELTER ON THAT SITE.
AND THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THEY SIGNED THIS AGREEMENT WAS BECAUSE ALSO PETS ALIVE WAS WILLING TO BUILD A SHELTER ON THAT.
AND WHAT I HAVE HEARD IS THAT THE CITY HAS NO PLANS TO BUILD A SHELTER ON THAT SIDE OF AUSTIN PETS ALIVE LEAVES THAT SITE.
NOW, IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THAT THAT YOU KNOW OF? I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT EITHER WAY.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE.
UM, MY QUESTION MORE, UH, AROUND COUNCIL'S ACTIVES ON THE, THE MAINTAINING NO-KILL WITH THE LIVE RELEASE RATE.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN WAS IF THE AGREEMENT CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY, IF THERE WERE A, UM, SAY A CHANGE IN WHAT CAN BE PROVIDED FROM AUSTIN, PETS ALIVE DURING A TRANSITION OR A TRANSFER, I WANTED TO KNOW KIND OF, UH, LOOKING AT THE POPULATION OF ANIMALS THAT AUSTIN PETS ALIVE ASSIST WITH IS WHAT'S THE PLAN.
UH, IF WE'VE GOT TO MAKE UP SOME DIFFERENCE ON, ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, TO MAINTAIN THE 95%, UM, SAY BREAK AND TO, UM, MEET THOSE POPULATIONS OF MORE MEDICAL AND BEHAVIORAL ANIMALS THAT THEY'VE BEEN HELPING WITH.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I DID MANAGE DIDN'T MENTION IS, UH, AN AUGUST THE 26TH, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES.
AND SO WE COUNCIL DID APPROVE ADDITIONAL 90 DAY EXTENSION TO CONTINUE THE NEGOTIATIONS.
UM, WE THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE LOOKING AT TRANSPORT, IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, LESS ANIMALS BEING TAKEN BY A RESCUE PARTNER, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
AND, UH, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, A SATELLITE ADOPTION CENTER RESCUE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WERE WAYS TO HAVE MORE ANIMALS ADOPTED, OF COURSE, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE LOOKED AT AS FAR AS MEDICAL, UH, SO FAR, UH, THE MEDICAL COSTS THAT WE'VE INCURRED JUST AT THE EMERGENCY CLINIC THIS YEAR TO DATE FROM IT HAS OVER DOUBLED FROM LAST YEAR, WE'VE SPENT OVER $418,000 AT THE EMERGENCY CLINIC, JUST WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE HIT MY CAR AND ALL THAT, THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE PAY.
SO, UH, WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE AND WE, WE, YOU KNOW, GLADLY, DOUBLE THAT AMOUNT IN PAID TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE ANIMALS THAT NORMALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN EUTHANIZED WELL, BUT TRANSPORT IS LIKE FOR THE EASIER TO ADOPT ANIMALS.
I MEAN, SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING THE MEDICAL CASES OR THE BARBARA OR THE BARN CATS FOR THE BEHAVIOR DOGS.
SO IT'S THOSE PROGRAMS IN PARTICULAR THAT I'M WANTING TO KNOW WHAT MAYBE WE NEED TO START AS FAR AS WORKING ON IF THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE UP SOME OF THOSE LIVE RELEASE NUMBERS AND BE ABLE TO FURTHER SUPPORT THOSE PROGRAMS ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT INTO NEGOTIATIONS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS NEVER BEEN OFF THE TABLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, OUR RESCUE PARTNER HAS SAID THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THOSE THAT WERE AT RISK FOR EUTHANASIA.
SO WE, IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES OR THERE'S NO, LIKE, EVEN IF SOMEONE MOVED, UH, IT COULD AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO BE, OR CHANGE THINGS FOR PERIOD.
THERE'S NO WORK THAT WE NEED TO GO INTO ON THE COUNCIL DIRECTED TO THIS SCENE, NOT TO APA.
THERE'S NO THINGS I NEED TO LOOK AT AS MAINTAINING THIS LIVE RELEASE RATE.
I'M JUST, I'M SURPRISED IF JASON'S HAVE BEEN IN LIMBO FOR WHAT SIX MONTHS
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WE, WELL, THIS, THIS AGREEMENT, THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN WORKED ON, UH, FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.BUT JUST UNTIL THE LAST FEW MONTHS, IT WAS ALWAYS ABOUT THE BUILDING CAPACITY AND NOT THE NUMBERS OF ANIMALS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS NEW TO US TOO, AND WE'RE RESEARCHING ALL OF THAT.
AND WORKING WITH CITY MANAGER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR CONSTRAINTS ARE.
I FEEL LIKE IT, THE PRUDENT THING TO DO WITH AUSTIN BEING NO KILL IS THAT, THAT WE, I FEEL LIKE THIS NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT AND, AND LOOKED INTO WHAT, WHAT MIGHT NEED TO BE DONE.
I MEAN, I OTHER, I MEAN, IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS FOR BEHAVIOR PARTNERS OR MEDICAL PARTNERS OR WHATEVER, WHY AREN'T WE GETTING, WHY AREN'T WE ENGAGING THEM NOW? OR, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THIS SHOULD BE A BIGGER TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AND CONCERN BASED ON STUFF.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THOSE THINGS ARE BEING WORKED ON MAINTAINING NO KILL.
YES, MA'AM WITHOUT NEGOTIATIONS.
AND THE QUESTION ON THE AGENDA IS IF THINGS CHANGE WITH APA, SO NOT GIVING US ANY OF THE NEGOTIATIONS BASED ON THE AGREEMENT, IS, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT ONLY THING THAT YOU'VE GOT THAT'S ON THE TABLE IS BEING DISCUSSED, HAS TO DO WITH THE AGREEMENT AND YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BEING WORKED ON THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO INFORM US ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT I'M WORKING WITH? WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, ASSISTANCE CITY MANAGER AND, UM, NOTHING IS, IS, IS, IS VETTED TO MAKE PUBLIC YET.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE AGREEMENT.
WELL, IT'S ALL REVOLVES AROUND THE AGREEMENT.
AND WHAT TRANSPIRES WITH THAT, IF SO, IT'S SAFE TO SAY THEN THAT, THAT AAC IS WORKING ON MAINTAINING NO-KILL.
SHOULD THEY FACE ANY CHALLENGES FOR ADJUSTMENTS FOR CHANGES OR HICCUPS? IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, I I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT NOW, WHICH IS JUST, UH, MONITORING SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE RUMORS OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE LETTER THAT WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE ARE RUMORS OUT THERE THAT WE'RE NO LONGER, NO KILL.
AND I HAVE TOLD PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
THAT'S NOT TRUE, BUT THAT THERE'S, THAT'S JUST ONE OF ME.
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE TYPING AT THEIR COMPUTERS THROUGHOUT THE AREA? UH, WHAT IF THERE IS A PLAN? I MEAN, IF PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS, UH, DISAGREEMENTS OF THE, OR IF, IF WE'D LIKE TO STABILIZE THE SITUATION, IF THERE'S A PLAN, IT WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL IF, IF, UH, YOU WOULD TALK POSITIVELY ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THE FUTURE TO MAINTAIN NO KILL.
I, AND I'M JUST THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE TO SAY, BUT THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
UH, IF YOU COULD DO MORE OF THAT, UH, I I'VE, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
UM, NO, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I, AND THAT'S WHEN, ONCE, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE TO BE BETTER, OF COURSE, WITH CITY HALL, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, ONCE WE ARE, DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS TURN OUT.
I MEAN, WE ARE OUR BUILDING, ESSENTIALLY WORKING WITH THE CITY HALL TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S THERE'S PLANS TO MOVE FORWARD ONCE WORKING WITH THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO, TO COMMUNICATE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE CAN THEN, THEN DEFINITELY WE WILL, WE WILL SHARE IT, NOT JUST WITH Y'ALL, BUT WITH THE COUNCIL AS WELL, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN THEIR CONSISTENTLY ALL CONSTITUENTS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE CONCERNED AS WELL.
AND SO, UM, YES, I MEAN, DEPENDING ON HOW, HOW THINGS TURN OUT.
I MEAN, IF YOU DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT'S TOPIC, IF YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT, THEN YES, WE WILL.
THE GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN THESE ARE NO-KILL STATUS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
UH, MY QUESTIONS ARE WHAT, UH, IS THE CITY'S ESTIMATE FOR HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST FOR IT TO BUILD A SHELTER, UH, AT DE LAC AND ALSO WHAT IS THE CITY'S ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY ADDITIONAL,
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UH, STAFF MEMBERS IT WOULD TAKE TO, UM, TO, UH, MANAGE STAFFING AT A SECOND SHELTER, BUILDING A NEW BUILDING.ANOTHER SHELTER HAS NOT BEEN ON THE TABLE.
AND WHAT IS THE, UH, CITY'S ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL STAFF IT WOULD TAKE TO OPERATE TO THE CURRENT SHELTER AT THE LAG? WE HAVE ONLY LOOKED AT A SATELLITE ADOPTION CENTER.
AND WHAT IS THE ANSWER AS TO HOW MANY STAFF, THE CITY ESTIMATES IT WOULD TAKE TO OPERATE A SATELLITE ADOPTION CENTER? ANTI-LEFT SIX, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HEARD THAT SIX PEOPLE.
AND HOW MANY, UH, ANIMALS WOULD YOU, UH, ANTICIPATE WOULD BE ADOPTED, UH, OUT OF
NOW THAT WE COULD ADOPT THERE WITH SIX STAFF, THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN TO ADOPT OUT.
WHAT IS IT? A COUPLE THOUSAND AND SIX STAFF? NO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT THEY ADOPT FROM WHAT THEY PULL FROM US, IT'S WHAT WAS IT LAST, THIS MONTH, A HUNDRED PEOPLE.
HOW MUCH? A HUNDRED, 354 IN A MONTH.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL LAST YEAR? 1746.
SO A COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS, RIGHT? SO THE IDEA IS THAT YOU WOULD ADOPT THAT A COUPLE OF THOUSAND ANIMALS A YEAR WITH SIX STAFF WITH WHAT'S VOLUNTEERS.
IS THE ANSWER PALMER, YOU HAVE A QUESTION AND BASED ON THAT IS THAT WHAT'S THE CITY'S ESTIMATE TO GET THOSE ANIMALS READY FOR DOC, SINCE THAT'S A LIE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PARVO, DISTEMPER, FELINE, LEUKEMIA, POSITIVE, A LOT OF THE ANIMALS THAT NEED WORK.
WHAT'S THE ESTIMATE ON WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST THE CITY TO GET THOSE ANIMALS ADOPTION READY.
AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO IN THE MEANTIME? WELL, WE'RE HOPING THAT OUR RESCUE PARTNER WILL STILL CONTINUE TO PULL THOSE JOANNA.
SORRY, CAN YOU CLARIFY THIS THE 1746 NUMBER? IS THAT THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS TAKEN FROM AAC OR THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS TAKEN AND ACTUALLY ADOPTED, TAKEN? OKAY.
SO THE ADOPTION OF AAC ANIMALS COULD BE MUCH LESS THAN THAT.
IT COULD BE, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE REPORTS FROM LAST YEAR.
UM, AND, UM, REGARDING, UM, BUILDING A SHELTER, IS IT, IT JUST HAS TO HAVE A SHELTER.
SO IS THERE BEEN ANY, IF YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT I UNDERSTAND CONSIDERATION TO JUST CONVERTING THE DAVENPORT, BUILDING INTO A SATELLITE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, PORTABLE KENNELS, LIKE WE WERE THINKING OF DOING IT, THE TRAVIS COUNTY CORRECTIONAL CENTER AND JUST BRINGING ADOPTABLE DOGS THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, CRAIG, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DIRECTOR, DON.
SO EARLIER YOU SAID, UM, THAT ON THE, ON THE LICENSE AGREEMENT YOU HAD, THE PROPOSALS HAD GONE OUT ON THAT THE APA AND APA HAD, UM, UH, NOT AGREED TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR NOT AGREED TO THE PROPOSALS AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GET, WE'RE GOING TO WAITING FOR THEIR RESPONSE STILL TO, TO THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THAT'S BEEN SINCE, WHEN WAS THAT? WHEN WAS THAT SENT OUT AGAIN? JULY 12TH.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.WELL, IN THAT CASE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE STAFF BRIEFING.
UH, WHEN NOW WE HAVE TO GO TO OLD BUSINESS AND THERE'S SOME OLDER ITEMS THAT ARE OLD BUSINESS.
[3a. Update, Discussion and Possible Action on Comparative Evaluations of Monthly Release Rates ]
GET THROUGH THIS.UM, THREE, A UPDATE DISCUSSING POSSIBLE ACTION ON COMPARATIVE EVALUATIONS OF MONTHLY RELEASE RATE.
AND, UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMPARATIVE EVALUATION OF MONTHLY LIVE RELEASE RATE IS BEING GIVEN TO US YET.
SO, UH, JUST FOR SOME HOUSEKEEPING, SHOULD WE KEEP THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME? YES, PLEASE.
[3b. Update, Discussion and Possible Action on Monthly Reporting of Data]
THREE B UPDATE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON MONTHLY REPORTING OF DATA.AND IF YOU CAN LAY THAT ON SINCE THE DATA ISSUES RESOLVED.
SO, BUT THERE'S NOTHING, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA YET IN OTHER WORDS.
[3c. Update, Discussion and Possible Action from Working Group on Off-Leash Dogs]
WOULD BE UPDATE, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION FROM WORKING GROUP ON OFF-LEASH DOGS AND THAT'S JOANNE.UM, SO WE'RE DOING SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE ON, UM, WE ARE, UH, MEETING, UH, BIWEEKLY.
UM, SOME OF THESE THINGS TAKE TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET COSTS AND SUCH, BUT, UM, WHERE THE THREE, UH, AREAS ARE THE TWO AREAS THAT, UM, CRAIG AND I ARE WORKING ON IN PARTICULAR ARE, UM, UH, MEDIA ABOUT US LEASH DOGS, UM, VIDEO, MAYBE A JINGLE WE'RE COMING UP WITH A SLOGAN.
WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE DIFFERENT SLOGANS THIS WEEK.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THE PARKS TEAM, UM, AND CRAIG AND I ARE ALSO WORKING WITH, UM, VARIOUS TYPES OF COLLATERAL TO HAVE ELECTRONICALLY.
SO IF YOU SEE POSTS ON SAY NEXT DOOR AND SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, IF THE DOG IS OFF LEASH AND IT BITES MY DOG, MY DOGS ON LEASH, I'M GOING TO GET SUED.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD POST AN ACTUAL DOCUMENT AND SAY, WELL, HERE'S ACTUALLY THE LOSS.
UM, WE ALSO HAD AN EXCELLENT MEETING WITH THE AAC, NEW WILDLIFE PROTECTION OFFICER, UH, FROM AP THROUGH APO, UM, AND WITH, UH, THE, UH, ONE OF THE PARK RANGERS, UM, WHO TALKED TO US ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY USE AND THE CONSISTENT MESSAGING, UM, THROUGHOUT PARK.
SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVAMPING.
UH, CRAIG'S LOOKING OVER WHAT I DID, UM, TO, UH, MAKE THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND INCLUDE, UM, SOME, UH, WILDLIFE ISSUES IN THERE.
UM, SO, UM, I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THE WORK.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS.
IT'S WORKING AROUND THE EDGES, BUT IT'S WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE'LL UPDATE EVERYBODY ON THAT.
UH, SO NOW WE GET ON TO THREE D
[3d. Update, Discussion and Possible Action from Working Group on How to Increase Microchipping in the City of Austin ]
UPDATE DISCUSSION POS ACTION WORKING GROUP ON HOW TO INCREASE MICROCHIPPING IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN ISTAN.WE'VE CONTINUED TO MAKE PROGRESS AND, UH, HAVE DONE ADDITIONAL CLINICS AND THERE'S ALWAYS MORE DEMAND AND I'LL FILL UP ALL OUR SPOTS.
SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL THE INTEREST OUT THERE.
WE HAVE ONE A DRIVE-THROUGH THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 28.
UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT AND WORKING WITH, UH, SOME OF THE HIGH INTAKE AREAS TO DO ACTUALLY CLINICS IN THAT AREA.
BUT NOW THAT WE'RE IN STAGE FIVE, THOSE WILL BE PUT ON HOLD FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT WE'RE CONTINUING TO, UH, FIGURE OUT WAYS TO GET MORE ANIMALS MICROCHIPPED AND GET THE WORD OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE WORKING THREE, UH, 32ND PSA'S RIGHT NOW, THAT'LL BE RUN ON A RADIO STATIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR FREE FOR US.
AND, UH, THERE'S ONE THAT I DID A, UH, A LONGER INTERVIEW TYPE THING THAT THEY'VE RAN TWO SATURDAYS IN A ROW.
SO WE WERE MAKING INROADS AND GETTING MORE ANIMALS, MICROCHIPPED.
UH, I HAVE, UH, UH, UH, KIND OF MAD ABOUT THAT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER DID, UH, ONE IDEA I HAD HEARD, I CAN'T REMEMBER WAS AUSTIN.
I THINK IT WAS AUSTIN OR NOT, BUT IF YOU'RE DOING A MICROCHIP CLINIC OR SPAY NEUTER CLINIC OR ANYTHING AT THIS TIME, I'VE HEARD ABOUT PEOPLE COUPLING THAT WITH, UH, UH, COVID SHOTS, A CLINIC.
WE HAVE SOME OF OUR OFFSITE, SPAY AND NEUTER RABIES CLINICS, SPAY, AND NEUTER CLINICS, UH, THAT HAVE ALSO ADVERTISED, UH, COVID VACCINATIONS
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AVAILABLE AT THAT SITE ALSO ON THE SAME DAY.SO WE HAVE DONE THAT WITH EMANCIPET ALREADY.
I THOUGHT I'D HEARD ABOUT THAT, CAUSE THAT IS KIND OF INTERESTING COMBINATION, UH, ANYWAY.
OF THE, OF THE, UM, 32ND SPOTS THAT ARE GOING ON RADIO OR ANY OF THEM GOING TO BE DONE IN SPANISH? YES, THEY ARE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REALLY QUICKLY? UM, DIRECTOR BLAND, WHAT DEPARTMENT AT AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER DOES METRO CHIPPING FALL UNDER? IS THAT THE PRC? UM, PRC AND APO, THEY BOTH HAVE SHARED RESPONSIBILITY.
WELL THEN LET'S MOVE ALONG TO, UH, NUMBER, UH, THREE D UPDATE DISCUSSION POPSICLES.
SO ACTION FOR WORKING GROUP ON HOW TO INCREASE.
[3e. Update, Discussion and Possible Action on Placement Partner Transfer Agreement ]
E UPDATE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PLACEMENT PARTNER TRANSFER AGREEMENT THAT W UH, UH, AN AGREEMENT HAS BEEN ISSUED.IT WASN'T ON THE BACKUP, BUT WE DID GET IT SENT TO US RIGHT.
I DIDN'T NOTICE IT ON THE BACKUP.
UH, SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? RIGHT? THIS IS RYAN.
UM, I, UH, DID NOT REALIZE THAT IT WASN'T IN THE BACKUP.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS SENT TO EVERYBODY.
UM, YOU AND I GOT IT FROM LEGAL, SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA ON THE BACKUP.
LET LET'S DO THAT CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
CAUSE I HAVE TO LOOK UP, I CAN'T REMEMBER I REQUESTED IT ON THE BACKUP OR NOT, BUT UH, OH, OKAY.
BUT THAT, THAT SAID, I DID WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY.
UM, IN MY VIEW, THEY DID, UM, ELIMINATE ALL THE PROBLEMATIC LANGUAGE AND, UH, HOW HAVE A STRAIGHTFORWARD, FAIR, UH, PARTNER AGREEMENT AND, UH, THEY DESERVE CREDIT FOR GETTING THAT DONE.
AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY, BUT WE'LL PUT IT ON THE BACKUPS.
EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE SURVEY GETS TO COMMENT ON IT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, RYAN ON THAT.
[3f. Update, Discussion and Possible Action regarding Shelter Space Issues Working Group ]
UM, F UPDATE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING SHELTER, SPACE ISSUES, WORKING GROUP.AND WE HAVE THERE, THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE BACKUP ON THIS.
I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO READ IT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN IT.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO, I REALLY THINK, UH, THE WORK BEING PUT IN A LOT OF HOURS, EVERYBODY WORKED REALLY HARD ON COMPILING DATA, REGULAR MEETINGS, KIND OF PUZZLING THROUGH WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHERE WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME, SOME, UM, RELIEF OR HELP.
UM, SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS WE SENT IT OUT EARLY.
DID EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE WORKING GROUP? AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND THEN I'D LIKE TO, UM, WE RECEIVED, UH, SOME RESPONSES FROM AUSTIN, FROM AAC REGARDING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS IT LIKE, KIND OF GO THROUGH AND ADDRESS THOSE.
UH, BUT FIRST THOUGHT, WE'D SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE SENT OUT.
LIKE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT YOU SIT OUT, SO LET'S GO ON.
UH, IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE RESPONSE, LET'S GO TO THAT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO PICK THAT UP PALMER.
UM, AND I'LL BE AS EXPEDIENT AS I CAN HERE IN OUR, UM, REEF RESPONSE TO AACS RESPONSE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO REGARDING THE NEW PROGRAMS OUTLINED IN AAC, IN THEIR RESPONSE TO THE WORK GROUP, UM, AHC CITED OUTCOMES OF BIG DOGS WITH BEHAVIOR CONCERNS AS THEIR PRIMARY SPACE CHALLENGE, THEY LISTED NEW PROGRAMS THEY'VE DEVELOPED YET.
ODDLY, NONE OF THOSE APPEAR TO FOCUS ON OUTCOMES OF BIG DOGS WITH BEHAVIOR CHALLENGES IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY.
UH, WE HAD HOPED TO DIG DEEPER INTO THIS TOPIC, BUT WE WERE UNABLE TO DO SO IN OUR FIRST MONTH AS A WORK GROUP, BECAUSE WE DID NOT GET ALL OF THE DATA WE REQUESTED.
OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS TOPIC DOES NOT CHANGE REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATION OF RAPID MEDICAL MAKE READY.
UM, WE WOULD FIRST LIKE APPLAUD AAC, REPORTING, COMPLETING MORE SURGERIES IN JULY THAN EVER BEFORE, AND INITIATING A FOSTER TO ADOPT STATUS SYSTEM, TO SEND ANIMALS HOME, UM, THAT ARE ADOPTED TO BE RETURNED LATER
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FOR SURGERY, WHICH WOULD OR COULD CHANGE THE NEED FOR ABOUT YOUR SYSTEM THAT SOME FOLKS HAVE CONCERNED ABOUT.HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT SURPRISED THAT ONE MONTH HAS NOT FIXED THE SPACE CRISIS YET.
THERE ARE STILL TOO MANY ANIMALS UNAVAILABLE TO LEAVE THE SHELTER BECAUSE THEY'RE WAITING ON SPAN NEUTER.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS TOPIC DOES NOT CHANGE REGARDING KEEPING THE PRC, THE PET RESOURCE CENTER, OPEN AND FIELD SERVICES OPERATING FULL TIME.
WE APPRECIATE THE DATA AAC PROVIDED, BUT IT DOES NOT CAPTURE A SIGNIFICANT TIMEFRAME OR PRESENT A CLEAR PICTURE.
AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING DIRECTOR, BLAND SAID THE PRC WAS CLOSED DUE TO STAFFING SHORTAGES.
HOWEVER, HIS WRITTEN RESPONSE REFERENCES THAT THE PRC IS ACTUALLY CLOSED BECAUSE OPENING, IT MEANS INTAKING MORE ANIMALS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS TOPIC DOES NOT CHANGE REGARDING DATA AND REPORTING THE AAC RESPONSE SAYS IT DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO CREATE THE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL DATA REPORTS.
AS WE BROUGHT UP IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE WOULD, AGAIN, REITERATE THAT TELEHEALTH AAC, A SOFTWARE COMPANY HAS OFFERED TO DO THIS FOR FREE.
OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS TOPIC DO NOT CHANGE.
AND REGARDING RETURNING PROGRAMS TO PEAK LEVELS, WE APPRECIATE THE DATA, BUT IT DOES NOT CAPTURE A SIGNIFICANT TIMEFRAME OR PROVIDE A CLEAR PICTURE.
WE REQUESTED A DATASET GOING BACK MULTIPLE YEARS.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT EITHER.
OUR RECOMMENDATIONS DO NOT CHANGE ON THAT SUBJECT.
AND LASTLY, REGARDING THE UNAVAILABLE HOLDS ON THOSE TRANSPORT ANIMALS, AS WE COVERED PRETTY THOROUGHLY EARLIER DAY, THERE ARE LOTS OF CONCERNS ON THAT.
WE HAVE REVIEWED AACS RESPONSE AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS CERTAINLY DO NOT CHANGE ANY COMMENTS ON THE RESPONSE.
IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UH, SO, UM, THANKS TO THE WORKING GROUP FOR ALL THE WORK THAT WE DID ON THIS, UM, I'M PART OF THE GROUP AND, UM, IT, IT WAS A LOT OF TIME.
UM, VERY IN DEPTH, UM, UH, RESPONSE.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESPONSE.
UM, ONE OF THE, UM, ISSUES I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UM, GIVING, GIVING VOUCHERS FOR, UM, SPAY-NEUTER.
UM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE HAD A CITIZEN CALL IN ABOUT THAT AND YOUR DOCUMENT SAID THAT THE LAW DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THIS.
UM, IT SEEMS THAT IF WE TO GIVE A VOUCHER, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT A DOG COULD, OR A CAT, UM, WOULD JUST NOT GET SPAYED AND NEUTERED.
AND IF WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM SOMEONE, IF I UNDERSTAND FROM THE TEXAS LAWS THAT, UM, THERE IS FOLLOW UP, THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
UM, AND I WAS WONDERING HOW THAT WOULD BE DONE OR IS THAT WHAT LEGAL'S LOOKING AT? YOU GO AHEAD.
SO YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, FIND ESSENTIALLY WHAT FOLLOW UP WOULD BE IS WE WOULD NOTIFY THE INDIVIDUALS WHEN SURGERY WOULD TAKE PLACE THAT THEY COULD TAKE AN ANIMAL AND TAKE IT HOME AND THEN TELL THEM WHEN, IF IT DID IT, IF THEY DIDN'T COME BACK WITH THE ANIMAL AND AFTER A FEW ATTEMPTS TO TRY TO GET THEM BACK ONTO A SURGERY SO THAT WE COULD PERFORM IT, THEN WE WERE MOST LIKELY, UM, SENDING AN APO OUT TO THAT INDIVIDUAL HOUSE TO TRY TO COLLECT THE DOG APP.
UM, THIS IS SORT OF THE THING THAT WE HAD IN PLACE WHEN WE WERE DOING FOSTER TO ADOPT WHEN WE WERE HAVING OUR, OUR BEST TEMPER, UH, ISSUES HERE PREVIOUSLY.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE CONFIRMING WITH LAW.
LIKE IF YOU WERE TO PUT SORT OF A, UH, ADOPTER AGREEMENT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, A SPADED OR AN THE AGREEMENT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON.
SO THAT WAY WE, WE, AS SOON AS THE APPLE WAS BEING TAKEN HOME, WE'RE TELLING THE INDIVIDUAL, THIS IS WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED FOR SURGERY.
UM, AND YEAH, SO THAT WAY WE COULD, WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROCESS IF WE HAD TO.
AND, AND WE DO GIVE VOUCHERS NOW FOR CITIZENS THAT NEED THEIR ANIMALS SPAYED AND NEUTERED TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE SHELTER.
AND, UH, CURRENTLY LAST WEEK EMANCIPET FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS A KITTEN, THE PEPE SMALL TO MEDIUM WAS BOOKING AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER, IF IT WAS A LARGE FEMALE, THEY WERE BOOKING INTO JANUARY.
SO, SO GIVING, SO GIVING A VOUCHER, DOES THAT VOUCHER COST ANYTHING TO THE ANIMAL CENTER? IF, IF WE'RE GIVING
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IT, UH, IT WOULD COME OUT OF OUR, UM, SPAY AND NEUTER FUNDS, IF WE'RE KEEP GETTING AN ANIMAL SPAYED AND NEUTERED TO KEEP IT OUT.IT SHOULDN'T BE ADDITIONAL BUDGET.
AND THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET NOW.
BUT IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A, THERE IS A RISK THAT THE DOG OR CAT DOES NOT GET SPEAR NEUTER.
WELL, THESE ARE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE OWNED ANIMALS AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE SHELTER.
SO THESE ARE ANIMALS THAT WE HAVEN'T TAKEN IN YET THAT WE'RE GIVING THESE DODGERS TOO.
BUT, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE WORKING GROUP IS SAYS, IF, IF WE'RE TOO FULL, THEN WE'LL GIVE A VOUCHER.
WE ARE TRYING TO DO A FOSTER TO ADOPT IN THAT INSTANCE.
AND SO IF WE'RE, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE FOR DOGS, CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE CRAMPED FOR SPICE.
WE WOULD TRY TO DO A FOSTER ADOPT AND SCHEDULE THEM TWO TO THREE DAYS LATER TO THE FINDING OR SURGERY HERE.
RIGHT NOW YOU CANNOT GET INTO A VETERINARIAN FOR A SPINAL OR SURGERY FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS AND WEEKS.
SO THAT'S A BIG FINANCIAL BURDEN ON OUR CLIENTELE OR ANYBODY.
AND SO WE HOPE TO NOT DO THE BOUCHER FOR ADOPTED ANIMALS.
WE HOPE TO DO FOSTER TO ADOPT AND BRING BACK HERE.
UH, IF YOU BRING THE DOG BACK, YOU SAID YOU SIT IN APO OUT THERE TO PICK IT UP.
NO, IF WE NEED TO, IF THEY DON'T COME BACK FOR THEIR SURGERY AND WE CONTACT THEM AND TRY TO RESCHEDULE THE SURGERY, IF WE DON'T GET COMPLIANCE, ESSENTIALLY TO FINALIZE THE ADOPTION BY HAVING THEM AN ALTERED PET, UM, THEN WE WILL GO BACK AND, AND TRY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE INDIVIDUAL IN PERSON AND THEN RECLAIM THE DOG.
UH, SO THAT WOULD GET EXPENSE.
I ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT WHEN WE DO THESE, EVEN TO DO THESE, UH, AVOIDING INTAKE, SPAY NEUTER VOUCHERS, IF IT DOES COST US MORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO AT THREE MONTHS OF PET ALL THE TIME.
SO WHEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REGULAR VETERINARIAN TO AVOID PLACEMENT, IT DOES, IT DOES COST MORE FOR US, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO WEIGH THE BALANCE OF ALSO NOT BRINGING THOSE ANIMALS IN.
AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS TO US.
SO WHILE IT MAY BE A HIGHER COST ON THE FRONT END, IT'S, IT'S HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, A GAIN IN THE, UH, OF A LOWER COST BY NOT HAVING TO HAVE THAT ANIMAL LAND.
AND IN THE PAST, WHEN WE DID THIS, MOST PEOPLE KNOW WHEN YOU SEND AN ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICER OUT THERE, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED LEGAL AUTHORITY.
SO FOR US TO TRY TO REGAIN PROPERTY, THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED TO SOMEBODY.
IF THEY'VE ALREADY AGREED TO ADOPTION, IT'S VERY HARD.
AND THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO DO THE FOSTER TO ADOPT.
AND EVEN THEN WE HAD PEOPLE JUST NOT ANSWER THE DOOR.
SO WE WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM SPAYED AND NEUTERED BEFORE THEY EVER LEAVE.
IT'S JUST MUCH EASIER AND MUCH SIMPLER AND ACTUALLY CHEAPER.
SORRY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? IT'S BEEN NEUTER PALMER.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON SPADER, UM, IN THE RESPONSE THAT, UH, THE VETS HAVE BEEN TRAINED ON HIGH VOLUME SPAY-NEUTER TECHNIQUES.
AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE INCREASE WAS SEEN.
AND I WAS WONDERING APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY SPAY-NEUTER SURGERIES WERE BEING DONE PER DAY.
UH, AND THEN WHAT THE INCREASE IS AFTER THE THAT'S WERE TRAINED ON HIGH VOLUMES, FAINTED OR TECHNIQUES, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE GAME? UM, WE HAD A NEW, THE REST OF US HAD ALREADY BEEN TRAINED BECAUSE ALL THE VETS HAVE BEEN HERE QUITE SOME TIME.
WE HAD AN, WE HIRED A NEW, A COUPLE OF NEW BETS, ONE HALF-TIME, ONE, FULL-TIME THEY TRAINED.
UM, I CAN'T GIVE YOU EXACT NUMBERS OF INCREASE, BUT WE'RE DOING 25 TO 40 SURGERIES A DAY NOW.
UM, SO THEY'VE BEEN TRYING BY DR.
WE TRIED TO GET THEM INTO THE, UM, ASP TRAINING, BUT DUE TO COVID, THEY WERE, IT WAS SHUT DOWN.
SO WE HIRED SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND TRAIN THEM TO DO THAT.
AND, AND HOW MANY VETS IS THAT? HOW MANY VETS IS IT TAKING TO DO 25 TO 40? AND WHEN I LAST LOOKED AT THE, THE, ONE OF THE SETS OF DATA WE HAD ASKED FOR WAS THE SURGERY SCHEDULE.
AT THAT POINT, YOU WERE SCHEDULING LOOK 25 A DAY.
ONE WAS THE INCREASED ON THE 40.
AND HOW MANY VETS IS THAT TAKING? WHEN WE BOOK A TO GO, OUR VETS ARE THAT USED TO WORK FOR EMANCIPET AND THEY CAN DO 35 TO 40 ANIMALS.
AND THAT TAKES ONE VET, THIRDLY.
SO MEETING THE, THE 40, YOU SAID 25 TO 40 A DAY.
THAT'S ONE VET DOING SPAY-NEUTER.
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THAT CORRECT? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT IS.AND WHAT'S GOING ON OUT IN THE, WE GET SIX TO SEVEN EMERGENCIES A DAY.
AND SO A VET CAN NOT STAY IN THERE ALL DAY IS WHAT THE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH, UH, WITH THE OTHER VETS.
YOU'RE IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE ARE WORKING AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS.
IS THERE ANY PLAN TO TRY TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO THE SAME SPEED ON SPAY-NEUTER SURGERY? I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT THE MANTA PET EMPLOYEES HIGH-SPEED SPAY-NEUTER VETS, AND RIGHT NOW ALL OF OUR VETS ARE EQUAL, ALMOST EQUAL TO THEM, PEOPLE THAT DO THIRTY-FIVE AND 40 SURGERIES OF DOGS AND CATS.
THERE'S NOT AN EASY VET TO FIND.
THANK YOU, JOANNE, WHERE YOU GOING TO GO ON? YEAH.
UM, UH, REGARDING, UM, SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS WITH PRC.
UM, FIRST I JUST WANT TO SAY THE PRC TEAM IS AMAZING WHAT THEY DO.
VERY, VERY DIFFICULT AND EMOTIONAL, AND I APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF THEM AND EVERYONE IN THE REST OF THE SHELTER WHO HELPS, UM, WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE.
BUT, UM, I WAS CURIOUS WHY DECISION WAS MADE.
I THINK IT WAS AT THE END OF 2019 TO SWITCH PRC FROM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TO FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF COVID, WE LOST ALMOST ALL OF OUR PART-TIME AND FULL-TIME TEMPS AND WE LOST SOME FULL-TIME PEOPLE.
SO WE'VE RECAPTURED THAT BACK AGAIN WITH COVID WE'RE AT A MUCH SLOWER RATE.
AND SO WE, WITH THE STAFFING I HAVE IN THERE, IF I STRETCH THEM OUT OVER A SEVEN DAY PERIOD, IT LEAVES THEM WITH NOT ENOUGH TIME IN BETWEEN.
I HAVE TO S YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO FACILITATE BREAK TIMES.
I HAVE TO FACILITATE AND, AND PLAN FOR VACATIONS AND SICK DAYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND BECAUSE OF THE EMOTIONAL STRAIN OF THE JOB AND, AND, AND SOME OF THE VERY DIFFICULT PEOPLE THEY DEAL WITH, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE WORKING IN THERE ALONE.
SO I ALWAYS WANT AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE IN THERE AND POTENTIALLY ALWAYS A LEAD AND A SUPERVISOR ONE OR THE OTHER, UM, RIGHT NOW THE SUPERVISOR'S ON VACATION.
SO THE LEAD IS, YOU KNOW, RUNNING THE SHOW FOR THE WEEK.
SO WE TRY TO ALWAYS HAVE AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE THERE.
UM, OUR, OUR BIGGEST DEMAND IS DURING THE WEEK, OUR LOWEST DEMAND HAS BEEN DURING THE WEEKENDS.
AND AGAIN, OUR HIGHEST DEMAND IS IN PRC RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN, AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS IS THE OVER-THE-COUNTER STRAY ISSUE.
SO WE'RE SCHEDULING BOTH THOSE OVER THE COUNTER STRAY AS A FEW DAYS OUT AND OVER THE COUNTER OWNER'S SURRENDER APPOINTMENTS ARE OUT FURTHER.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THOSE OWNERS, RENTERS, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THEM WITH ANY KIND OF NEEDS THEY MIGHT BE, WHETHER IT BE INTERIM TRAINING, UH, CREATING FOOD, MEDICAL ISSUES, STUFF LIKE THAT, IF THEY NEED VOUCHERS.
SO WE HAVE, UM, POSTED FOR, FOR SOME FULL-TIME TEMPS WE'RE WE DON'T GET A LOT OF APPLICANTS.
I THINK THE LAST TIME, UH, WE HAD MAYBE SEVEN, UM, WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT THE MOTHER TEMPORARIES WHEN OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE HAD HIRING GOING ON.
WE'VE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THEY LOOKED AT THAT DIDN'T MAYBE GET, YOU KNOW, FIT INTO THEIR DEPARTMENT AND WERE JUST NOT HAVING A GOOD CONNECTION THERE, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION TO BE IN.
AND IT'S, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOT VERY DELICATE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE.
AND IT'S JUST NOT EVERYBODY'S CUP OF TEA PALMER, I THINK MARK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU SAID THAT THE NEED IS GREATER DURING THE WEEK, RATHER THAN ON THE WEEKEND.
YOU SHARED DATA FOR THE WEEKEND.
DO YOU HAVE DATA FOR DURING THE WEEK? YEAH, OUR HIGHEST, OUR PEAK DAY FOR INTAKES IS TUESDAY AND THURSDAY.
WHAT YEARS WAS THAT DATA CAPTURED? AND DO YOU HAVE THAT DATA? THEY CAN SHARE IT WITH US.
UH IT'S WE WATCH IT EVERY DAY.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ON, WE HAVE A POWER BI PROGRAM.
IT'S BUT THESE ARE DATA THAT WAS CAPTURED BEFORE COVID THAT THOSE WERE THE PEAK DAYS, OR HAS IT BEEN CAPTURED AFTER COVID WHEN THE PRC HAS BEEN CLOSED ORIGINALLY? IT WAS BEFORE COVID, UH, RIGHT NOW I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT A LIVE.
UM, SATURDAY WAS OUR HIGHEST ORIGINALLY FOR OWNER SURRENDERS, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE WERE SCHEDULING THEM PRIOR TO COVID.
MOST OF THE EMOTIONAL PART OF WORKING THE PRC IS OWNER SURRENDERS.
AND YOU'RE SCHEDULING THAT NEGATIVE.
NO, IT'S THE OVER-THE-COUNTER STRAYS ARE THE HARDEST BECAUSE PEOPLE, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE PUBLIC'S EMOTIONAL TOO, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING SUPPORT.
WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A BALANCE.
IN MY MIND, WE TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT, YOU'VE GOT TWO DAYS ON THE WEEKEND CLOSED.
ARE THERE NO SUPERVISORS AND NO LEADS FOR THAT DEPARTMENT OVER THE WEEKEND? COULDN'T IT BE SHIFTED
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WHERE THERE'S SOME TIME OPEN DURING THE WEEKEND.AGAIN, I HAVE ONE SUPERVISOR, ONE LEAD AND THREE FULL-TIME STAFF.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO PUT, I'M NOT GOING TO PUT ANY OF THEM IN THAT DEPARTMENT BY THEMSELVES ON THE WEEKEND.
AND WE KNOW STATISTICALLY, WHEN WE WERE OPEN, WE TOOK IN MORE ANIMALS.
BUT COULD YOU SHIFT FROM ANOTHER DAY DURING THE WEEK? YOU MEAN TO BE CLOSED ANOTHER DAY OF THE WEEK AND NOT, AND NOT ON WEEKENDS, NOT, NOT BE CLUB, NOT HALF PRC CLOSED THE TWO WEEKEND DAYS OF THE WEEK.
I DON'T, I THINK IT'S EASIER TO THE PUBLIC TO JUST KNOW WORKLOADS SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
I THINK THROWING A DAY IN THE WEEK AND HAVING ONE DAY IN THE WEEKEND, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
SO IF I WAS TO CLOSE, LET'S SAY THURSDAY AND BE OPEN SATURDAY.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE SERVING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING UP.
NOBODY'S WALKING UP TO THE PRC AND KNOCKING ON EMPTY DOOR, NOT GETTING SOMEBODY TALKING TO THEM.
THE OTHER STAFF FILL IN, WE HAVE SUPERVISORS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS THERE AND LEADS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SO NOBODY'S GETTING TURNED AWAY AND WALKING AWAY, EMPTY HANDED.
WE'RE STILL TAKING ANIMALS IN ON A LOT OF PEOPLE WORK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY POLICE.
THEY HAVE NO RESOURCE ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY RESOURCE? WELL, THE PRC, IF IT'S OPENED AND STUFF, ISN'T THAT WHERE THEY GET FOOD OR CRATES OR HANDOUTS OR ASSISTANCE OR PAMPHLETS OR CENTER? NO, THAT'S NOT OUR MAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT, WHAT THE PRC DOES FOR NOMINALLY.
THE MONTH OF JULY, I BELIEVE WE HAD SEVEN APPOINTMENTS FOR RESOURCES.
MOST OF OUR RESOURCES ARE DELIVERED VIA, UH, OUR OUTREACH STAFF AND OUR FENCING ASSISTANCE PERSON, OUR, UH, FENCING AND NEGLECT OFFICER HANDS OUT WITH FENCING RESOURCES, UH, SHELTER, RESOURCES, DOG, FOOD RESOURCES, AS WELL AS, UM, MY NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL PROGRAM GUY, BRENDAN GOES AROUND THE HANDOUT STUFF MOSTLY TO THE HOMELESS, BUT ALSO TO OTHER REQUESTS.
IF OFFICERS KNOW SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS HELP, OR IF THE PRC HAS SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE WAY TO TRANSFER OR TRANSPORT, YOU KNOW, DOG FOOD TO AND FARMER CAN'T GET TO THE SHELTER WE DELIVERED TO THEM THAT WAY WE KNOW IT'S GETTING TO THEM AND IT'S, IT'S GETTING TO THEM IN A TIMELY MANNER.
PLUS OUR OFFICERS CAN ALSO DELIVER RESOURCES AS NEEDED.
WE GET VERY FEW WALK-UPS FOR RESOURCES.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, COMPLAINTS I HEAR IS FROM PEOPLE WHO SAY THE SHELTER IS AN OPEN, OR THEY WON'T TAKE THIS, OR THEY WON'T TAKE THAT ANIMAL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TRY AND CLEAR THESE UP.
AND, AND I, AND MARK, YOU GOT SOME GOOD POLICIES.
I THINK SOME OF THE MANY WAY SEEM TO BE GOOD IDEAS.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS IS PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY, AND, AND, AND THEY'LL CHANGE.
AND THERE'S NOT A GOOD WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE CHANGED.
I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS ASIDE FROM THE ARGUMENT OF WHAT THE POLICIES ARE.
THAT IS WHAT ARE ONE THING TO DISCUSS.
BUT THE OTHER THING TO DISCUSS IS, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, COVID MAKES IT TOUGH, BUT I JUST, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD THINK OF SOME GOOD WAY TO GET THESE POLICIES, UH, OUT THERE.
SO PEOPLE WOULD BE MORE SURE OF WHAT THEY ARE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP.
SO ONE OF, ONE OF THE WAYS WE GET INFORMATION OUT OF, IF YOU FIND A PILOT OR YOU LOST A PET, OR YOU NEED REHOME OF PET, UM, WAIT, FIRST OFF WE HAVE THE TEXTBOOK PROGRAM, WHICH IS YOU CAN TEXT LOST ATX OR FOUND ATX TO 4,777.
THAT IMMEDIATELY SHOOTS YOU INFORMATION BACK, WHETHER YOU FOUND A DOG OR LOST A DOG OR A CAT, AN ANIMAL, AND IT GIVES YOU A WHOLE BUNCH OF RESOURCES AND VIA THESE TEXTS, AND YOU KEEP GETTING TEXTS FROM US UNTIL YOU OPT OUT OF IT.
SO YOU GET, YOU GET A LINK TO OUR RESOURCE GUIDE, OR IF YOU FOUND A PET OR LOST A PET.
SO THAT TELLS YOU WHERE TO POST A PET, HOW TO POST A PET, WHAT KIND OF THINGS WORK IN OUR AREA? AND THEN WE JUST RECENTLY STARTED SHELTER OR HOME TO HOME, WHICH IS, UH, BACKED BY MADDIE'S FUND.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A REHOMING SITE WHERE WE UPLOAD THE INFORMATION FOR THEM.
SO THEY SEND US THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ANIMAL AND THEY NEED TO REHOME, WE PUT IT ON OUR SITE FOR THEM.
SO WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF VERBIAGE IS ON THERE.
THAT WAY, IF IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT, WE CAN HELP THEM WITH THAT.
AND WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE DATA AS TO HOW HOMED HOME IS WORKING.
AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S WORTH CONTINUING AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, THE FIRST YEAR MADDIE'S FUND PAID FOR IT.
SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SHOW ITS EFFICACY AFTER A YEAR, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES
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OUT THERE.AND THAT'S ALSO WHY WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON THE SPANISH RADIO STATIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ON THE NUMBER ONE SPANISH RADIO STATION IN AUSTIN, WHICH IS SUPER EXCITING TO ME, OF WANTING TO BE ON IT FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, I'VE BEEN ON KLBJ THE LAST ON FM, THE LAST TWO SATURDAYS OR A COUPLE SATURDAYS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT.
WE'RE SPENDING SOME MONEY IN WAYS WE HAVEN'T SPENT IT BEFORE.
AND WE'RE ALSO CONSTANTLY TRYING TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH THE GROUP THAT WE NEED TO MOST, YOU KNOW, BE IN TOUCH WITH.
SO IT IS DIFFICULT AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE, WE'VE TOWED THE LINE ON KEEPING THE HOURS KIND OF WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH THE PRC.
I AM CURRENTLY TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY TO WORK WEEKENDS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON, ON WATCH OUR INTAKE.
SO THE BIGGER THING AND A PALMER KIND OF RELATED TO IT, WHAT TAKES TIME AND THE PRC IS WE'RE NOT TRANSACTIONAL.
LIKE WE WERE, WHEN IT WAS AN INTAKE, WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
AND SOME OF THOSE OWNERS RENDER CONVERSATIONS ARE HARD TO HAVE AND THEY TAKE LONGER.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, EVERYBODY THAT MAKES AN APPOINTMENT, WE'RE TALKING TO THEM, WE DON'T JUST SAY SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT AND THEY NEVER HEAR ANYTHING.
WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.
NOW, ONE OF THEM IS A, UH, AN OFFICER THAT'S ON LIGHT DUTY.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING OVER THERE.
SO IT'S BEEN REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE TWO SPANISH SPEAKERS ON STAFF THAT ARE ABLE TO TALK TO SOME OF THESE OWNERS, RENDER PEOPLE THAT WE HADN'T HAD TIME TO IN THE PAST.
SO I DON'T, THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE WITH THE WEEKENDS.
IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO TRAIN A PERSON UP.
AND, AND IT'S TOUGH TO SAY, NO, WE ALWAYS WANT TO DO WHAT'S IN THE RIGHT, THE BEST INTEREST OF THE ANIMAL IN FRONT OF US.
SOMETIMES WE WANT TO SAY NO, BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER ANIMAL, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PLIGHT OF THAT ANIMAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN ONE HAND WE HAVE A SPACE ISSUE, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I DON'T EVER WANT TO TURN AWAY AN ANIMAL THAT TRULY NEEDS SHELTERING.
SO THAT'S HARD TO TEACH PEOPLE BECAUSE THE, THE EMOTIONAL PART OF THEM IS THEY WANT TO TAKE THAT ANIMAL IN AND TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL IN THIS LINE OF WORK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DO CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS AND WE WANT THEM TO SURVIVE.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY, JUST HIRE PEOPLE FOR THE PRC, I MIGHT GET, YOU KNOW, UH, OPTION A IS A GUY THAT, THAT TAKES EVERYTHING IN BECAUSE HE FEELS BAD.
AND OPTION B IS SOMEBODY OUT THERE BEING REALLY HARD AND HARD NOSE SAYING, NO, NO, NO, NO.
AND ACTUALLY THERE'S STUFF THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN IN.
SO THAT'S WHERE, AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT, UH, IT'S JUST A FINE BALANCING ACT AND TRYING TO FIND THOSE RIGHT PERSONALITIES.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OWNER SURRENDER TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND IT CAN BE EMOTIONAL.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S DIFFICULT TAKING US TO NOT HOLD ONTO AN ANIMAL.
HOW IS THAT UPSETTING AND TAKING A LOT OF TIME? SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY TAKE A TON OF TIME IT'S THAT THEY, THE PUBLIC CAN BE VERY DEMANDING WHEN THEY WALK UP AS, AND I MEAN, THEY'LL, THEY'LL RING THE BELL AND EXPECT US TO JUST WALK OUT AND TAKE THE DOG.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LITERALLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO TELL US WHERE THEY FOUND THE DOG.
AND ALL WE WANT IS WE WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE DOG CAME FROM SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING IT BACK HOME.
UM, DO WE HAVE SIGNAGE OUT FRONT EXPLAINING TO THEM? I'M I THINK PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED AND THEY KIND OF NEED THAT INFORMATION BEFORE THEY WALK IN THE DOOR.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UH, MICROCHIP SCANNER.
THERE'S ALL THE FORMS ARE CLEARLY LABELED OUTSIDE THE DOOR.
THERE'S A, UH, A VERY, VERY WELL-WRITTEN EXPECTATION CHART.
WE'VE, WE'VE ADDED INFORMATION.
WE'VE TAKEN INFORMATION AWAY WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN A HURRY.
THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO DO IS READ YOUR SIGN, BUT, BUT THEY'RE UPSET.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE UPSET BECAUSE SOMETHING, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAVE GOTTEN PICKED UP ANIMALS AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET HELP WITH THEM.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THE ANSWER IS THEN TO SHUT THEM FURTHER OUT.
I THINK THAT THIS, I, I THINK THAT I AM TOTALLY AGAINST THAT, THAT, THAT WE ARE FORCING PEOPLE TO KEEP THE ANIMALS.
AND IF THE DOOR'S CLOSED, YOU ARE NO, THE DOOR IS PARTLY CLOSED BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT YOU COULDN'T JUST HAVE THE PUBLIC WALKING IN TALKING.
NOW I'M NOT TALKING NOW WITH STAGE FIVE, I'M TALKING AT THE DOORS CLOSED.
YOU ARE FORCING THEM TO KEEP IT.
AND IF THE SIGN AND THE WEBSITE SAY YOU'RE CLOSED ON WEEKENDS FOR INTAKE, I MEAN, YOU ARE, UM, UNLESS THEY FIND A LOOPHOLE OR THEY WEASEL THEIR WAY IN, YOU ARE KIND OF FORCING THEM TO KEEP IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED.
SO, I MEAN, I, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE PRC IS NOT PROVIDING THE SUPPORT FOR THE PUBLIC THAT IT SHOULD.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A DISSERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF AUSTIN.
AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHILE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS THE PRC RESOURCE CENTER HANDOUT.
YOU ALL RECENTLY SENT OUT THE POWERPOINT, Y'ALL QUOTED ALL OF THE ANIMALS THAT HAD BEEN REPORTED, LOST, OR FOUND, AND NOW THEY MADE IT HOME.
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ONCE.AND THERE'S NO MENTION OF YOUR TEXT BOT OR ANY OF THE PROGRAMS THAT AAC IS OFFERING.
IT MENTIONS, WELL, UNLESS YOU SAY MY PURCHASE, BUT IT MENTIONS MICROCHIP, FACEBOOK, NEXT DOOR, WALKING IN NEIGHBORHOOD AND FLYERS.
IT DOESN'T MENTION THE TEXT THING THAT THAT WORD BEING TOLD PEOPLE ARE TEXTING.
IT DOESN'T MENTION ANY OF THOSE PROGRAMS. SO THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A SURVEY THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY KELSEY CLER.
THAT STARTED ACTUALLY IN 2019 BEFORE COVID, THIS WAS FOUND ANIMALS HAVE REPORTED FOUND BEFORE COVID HIT.
AND WE HAVE ADDED THINGS SINCE THAT STARTED.
WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT SHUTTING THAT DOWN BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE HAVE ENOUGH IT'S IT'S WHAT PARK AS IN IT'S MARCH 16TH, 2020 THROUGH 2020.
BUT WE DIDN'T, WE HAVE NOT UPDATED THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO STOP USING IT.
SO WE HAVEN'T UPDATED SOME OF THE, HOW PEOPLE FIND THINGS, ALMOST EVERYTHING I'M FOLLOWING IN THE PRC MODEL, INCLUDING SCHEDULING APPOINTMENTS IS, IS THE SAME AS WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IN HAAS.
I WAS BEFORE TH YOU KNOW, WE DECIDED TO NOT TO BE PART OF HOTH.
WHOEVER DECIDED THAT I WAS IN EVERY MEETING ABOUT HAAS, I'VE BEEN PART OF THE GROUNDWORK FOR THAT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALK ABOUT IS NOT MAKING IT SIMPLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BRING PETS.
WHAT I KNOW IS THE DATA THAT WE HAVE THAT SHOWS 43% OF THE DOGS.
MY OFFICER'S RUN INTO FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS ARE IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
SO THAT TELLS ME THAT THE CITIZENS THAT BRING US THOSE DOGS ARE BRINGING US THEIR NEIGHBOR'S DOGS OR THE DOG IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
NOW THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
SOMETIMES THEY PICK THEM UP ON THEIR WAY TO WORK OR THEIR WAY TO SCHOOL.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T TURN PEOPLE AWAY IF THEY CAN'T KEEP THE DOG, WE TAKE THE DOG.
AND EVEN ON WEEKENDS, WE TAKE THE DOG, MARK, THE DATA IS SUPER CONFUSING.
SO 43% OF THE JOBS, U R T O IN FEET ARE CLOSE TO THEIR HOME.
IS THAT CORRECT? IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE? THAT'S THREE YEARS OF DAY NUMBER IS 43% OF THOSE RTO, CORRECT.
SO WE CAN ONLY ASSUME SINCE WE, SINCE WE KNOW, AND THIS IS A NATIONALLY ACCEPTED STANDARD, THAT IF YOU KEEP THE ANIMALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY'RE FOUND, THEY HAVE A VERY HIGH PERCENT CHANCE OF GOING BACK.
I TAUGHT IN MADDIE'S FUND CLASSES FOR THREE YEARS OR TWO YEARS, HOWEVER LONG WE TAUGHT THEM THAT IF YOU CAN GET YOUR INTAKE TO HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND, INSTEAD OF JUST BEING AN OPEN VALVE, TO BRING THE DOG TO A SHELTER AND ACTUALLY HELP THE PUBLIC, UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN HELP THESE ANIMALS EITHER GET HOME OR STAY HOME.
THAT'S NATIONALLY ACCEPTED, BEST PRACTICE, NATIONALLY ACCEPTED, BEST PRACTICE OF, I UNDERSTOOD IT.
IT WAS TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND ASK FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE, WHICH WE DO.
BUT AGAIN, THAT GOES WITH OUR FOUNDRY PARTS ARE OUR TEXTS BACK PROGRAM FOR FOUND, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T USE THAT STUFF, OR THEY DON'T WANT TO.
I SAID, WE DON'T TURN PEOPLE AWAY.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE RECENT FACEBOOK POST ABOUT CALLING 9 1 1 AND BEING TOLD, I MEAN, 3, 1, 1, AND BEING TOLD TO RELEASE THE DOG AND THEY DID BECAUSE THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEX DIDN'T ALLOW IT.
I'VE S I SEE ANECDOTAL STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'LL TELL YOU IF, IF YOU HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT 301, THEY NEED TO GET THE SR NUMBER.
I WILL GLADLY RESEARCH IT AND GET THE RECORDING OF THE CALL, BECAUSE WE, WE DO STRUGGLE WITH COMMUNICATION WITH THREE ON ONE, AND I'M HAPPY TO HELP WITH THAT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, DO YOU AT THE SR NUMBER OR A TELEPHONE NUMBER OR AN ADDRESS WHERE IT HAPPENED? I CAN REACH OUT TO THROW IN ONE, THEY ACTUALLY SEND US THE RECORDED CALLS SO WE CAN HEAR THE EXACT VERBIAGE.
CAN WE ALL SEND US A COPY OF THE SCRIPT? THAT 3, 1, 1 HALVES I'D HAVE TO GET IT FROM THRONE ONE.
I DON'T KNOW THEIR EXACT SCRIPT.
I KNOW IF THEY GO OFF SCRIPT, IT'S NOT HELPFUL.
COULD WE GET A COPY OF WHAT THEY DO HAVE, UM, OKAY.
THERE'S AC NOT PROVIDE THE SCRIPT.
WELL, WE DO, BUT IT'S, AGAIN, THE STRAY, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCRIPTS THEY HAVE, AND THEY'RE ALL DROPPED DOWN BOX.
IT'S NOT AS EASY AS GETTING A PARAGRAPH FORM.
IT'S, IT'S A BUNCH OF DECISION TREES THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS, THEN THAT, IF THAT, THEN THIS, AND IT JUST GOES BACK AND FORTH.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UH, SURE.
BUT IT'S CRAFTED AND PROVIDED BY AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER.
CAN WE GET A COPY OF THAT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I JUST TOLD HER.
UM, I, I HAVE A COMMENT, UH, BECAUSE ONE, UH, THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU JUST SAID, THE POLICY IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T TURN A DOG AWAY, IF SOMEONE REALLY HAS A DOG AND THEY HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE AND THEY CAN'T, YOU TAKE IT WELL, THAT GETS BROADCAST OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
SO WHAT GETS BROADCAST ON SOCIAL MEDIA? WELL, JUST INSIST THEY TAKE IT, AND THAT MIGHT BE PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRANKY PEOPLE YOU'RE
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GETTING DURING THE WEEK.I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT POLICY AND UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING IT AND YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE'S CRANKY PEOPLE DURING THE WEEK, COMING IN, INSISTING THAT YOU TAKE THESE ANIMALS, THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE A PART OF IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN RE PHRASE THAT OR RESELL THAT, OR I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEAL WITH THAT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO.
SO, SO WE ACTUALLY, IF I CAN ADD, WE ACTUALLY ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO EVEN THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE A BIT CRANKY, WE TRY TO GET, WE TRY TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY GOT INFORMATION.
AND THERE ARE THOSE THAT GET BAD INFORMATION OFF SOCIAL MEDIA.
BUT THE NUMBER ONE REASON WE GET DROP-OFFS IS BECAUSE PEOPLE GOOGLE.
WHERE'S THE ANIMAL, WHERE'S THE IMPOUND FOR AUSTIN.
WHEREAS THE IMPOUND FOR TRAVIS COUNTY, WHERE DID, WHERE DOES STRAY DOGS GO? THEY DON'T NECESSARILY RESEARCH ANYTHING.
THEY JUST KNOW THEY FOUND A DOG THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S LOOSE IN THE STREETS SOMEWHERE, OR THEY THINK IT'S ABANDONED.
THEY LOOK AT THE HOURS, WE'RE OPEN AND THEY BRING IT TO US.
SOMETIMES THOSE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY FIND OUT THEY GET THERE AND WE HAVE TO, CAUSE WE CAN ONLY HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING, THEY GET A LITTLE UPSET.
UM, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A HORRIBLE SITUATION.
MOST PEOPLE, ONCE THEY REALIZE WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING ARE OKAY WITH IT.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
YOU STILL HAVE TO BE OUT THERE DIRECTING THAT TRAFFIC AND SETTING EXPECTATIONS.
WE KEEP USING THE TERMS. WE DON'T FORCE PEOPLE TO KEEP THESE DOGS.
AND I WANT TO ECHO PALMER'S SENTIMENT THAT WHEN THE DOOR IS CLOSED AND WE ARE CLOSED AND NOT LETTING PEOPLE IN THAT IS A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE THAT WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING THE DOG.
BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE ONLY TIME THE ANIMAL CENTERS CLOSE IS WHEN WE'RE CLOSED SUPER STATISTICS.
83% OF THE PUBLIC WORKS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND CANNOT ACCESS THEIR TAXPAYER FUNDED PEP RESOURCE CENTER WHEN IT IS CLOSED ON THE WEEKENDS.
UM, AND I STRUGGLE WITH, WE'VE GOT A, UM, MUNICIPAL ORGANIZATION WITH A 17, NEARLY $17 MILLION YEAR BUDGET THAT CAN'T SEEM TO STAFF IT ON THE WEEKENDS.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT IS THE FRUSTRATION THAT WE ARE SEEING AS COMMISSIONERS ALL DAY LONG ON FACEBOOK, ALL DAY LONG IN OUR EMAILS, THAT THE COMMUNITY, UM, WHAT I FEEL, WHAT I TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR MESSAGES IS VERY MUCH, WE ARE FORCED INTO THIS.
UM, WHETHER IT'S BEING TOLD DIRECTLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE A DOG OR WHETHER IT'S BEING TOLD INDIRECTLY OF THEIR LOCK, NOT ANSWERING A PHONE.
I CAN'T GET, UH, CAN I HAVE A COMMENT? YES.
I, MY COMMENT FOR, FOR THE
AND I THINK WE LEAD IN AND INVITE YET THE COMMUNITY TO PLAY WITH US.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE TROUBLES, BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE, UH, INVITE TO THE COMMUNITY AS WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW AND WE SHOW HOW WAS THE PROCESS NOW WITH THE NO KEEL? BECAUSE IN MY IDEA, MOST OF THE NO-KILL SHELTERS IS THE SAME BY APPOINTMENT.
I THINK WHAT'S, UH, INITIATIVE BY MASON WINO WARD TO MAKE THE SHELTERS BY APPOINTMENT TO SO THE OWNERS CAN, CAN RESOLVE THEIR DISTRESS.
UM, THE, UM, UM, BUILDER SURRENDERS, DIFFICULT DIFFICULTIES TO CHANGE THE WORDS FROM NO KILL KILL RATE, BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND NO KEEL, I CAN SAY THAT PEOPLE NO MATTER WAIVER WHERE THEY FIND THE ANIMAL, THEY BRING TO THE SHELTER, BUT WITH THE WORDING, LOW KEEL PEOPLE IS GOING TO THINK TWICE BEFORE THEY BRING TO THE SHELTER AND THEY CAN FIND THE RESOURCES BEFORE THEY CAME TO THE SHELTER.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT TRAIN LEFT THE STATION A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE, UH, NO KILL ACTUALLY MEANS NO KILL THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT ANYWAY, IS WE DON'T KILL ANIMALS BECAUSE WE RUN OUT OF SPACE.
I MEAN, BUT THE WAY I SEE IT AND I ACTUALLY, UH, IS IT, IT'S NOT REALLY, IT IS A NO KILL SHELTER, BUT IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.
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THE THING IS IF PEOPLE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW HOW, HOW IS THE PROCESS IS WHEN, WHEN THE COMPLAINTS BEGIN OR WHEN PEOPLE IS DRIVING FROMTHAT IS A BIG, A BIG ISSUE THAT WE AS COMMUNITY WE HAVE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH EATS THE WAY THAT RESCUE PARTNERS CAN HELP US REACH THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THE COMMUNITY BEGIN TO SURRENDER THEIR ANIMALS, OR BEFORE THEY BEGIN TO BRING THE ANIMALS TO THE SHELTER.
I THINK WE NEED TO WORK AS COMMUNITY AS, AS ZOMBIELAND SAY, THIS IS AN EQUATION FOR AN OLD HEALED CITY, YOU KNOW, IT'S PARTNERS AND SHELTER AND COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY ON, ON, ON BOARD, BECAUSE I'LL BE IN THE SHELTER THAT WE HAVE IS A LOW RISK.
IF WE'LL RECEIVE AN ANIMAL WHO CAN BE A PROBLEM FOR OUR SOCIETY, ALMOST SURELY IS GOING TO RUN FOR THE LEASE OF EUTHANASIA.
UH, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD, RYAN.
UM, WELL I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I MAY TAKE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIEW, UM, WHICH IS THAT, UH, WELL, PART PART, I THINK THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING IS CRITICAL AND AMAZING.
AND, UM, I, THAT MAYBE I'M JUST FALSELY READING BETWEEN THE LINES, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS PRESSURE BECAUSE OF OUR SPACE CRISIS TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH INTAKE.
AND, AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT ARE THE REASON THAT WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE THAT, THAT THE PEOPLE EXPECT OF US, UH, IS THAT WE HAVE THIS SPACE CRISIS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THIS SERVICE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FTE YET.
WE'RE ALSO SPENDING AN FTE ON SOMEONE WHO'S SHIPPING OUR ANIMALS TO COMMUNITIES WITH HIGHER KILL RATES THAN OURS.
SO, AND WE'RE PAYING TO SHIP THOSE ANIMALS, HER ANIMAL TO SHIP THOSE ANIMALS, TO COMMUNITIES WITH HIGHER KILL RATES THAN OURS.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF THESE EMPLOYEES ARE THE PROBLEM.
IT SEEMS TO ME, WE HAVE A POLICY PROBLEM, WHICH IS THAT WE ARE, UH, MAKING DECISIONS THAT LAYS ENORMOUS PRESSURE, UM, ON ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, INCLUDING THOSE, UH, IN THE CENTER AND AN INTAKE, UM, WHERE WE'RE ALLOCATING EMPLOYEES TO ITEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE OUR SPACE CRISIS WORSE, NOT BETTER.
IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE SENDING THEM TO, UM, COMMUNITIES WITH HIGHER KILL RATES THAN IRON.
AND BY THE WAY, CRAIG, YOU SAID EARLIER THAT WE'RE STILL NO KILL, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE ARE SENDING OUR ANIMALS TO COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT NO KILL COMMUNITIES, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT NO-KILL ANYMORE.
IN FACT, I WILL NOT THAT WE'RE NO KILL SO LONG AS WE'RE SENDING OUR ANIMALS TO COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT NO KILL THAT, UH, THAT IS A, AN ENORMOUS PROBLEM.
SO, UM, I WILL SAY THAT I AGREE COMPLETELY THAT WHEN YOU SEE A SIGN THAT SAYS INTAKE CLOSED, THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC WILL CONSIDER INTAKE TO BE CLOSED.
UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY HOW I WOULD TAKE IT.
UH, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO CAN READ WOULD, WOULD CONSIDER THE, THE SIGN THAT SAYS INTAKE CLOSE TO MEAN THE INTAKE IS CLOSED.
UM, I AGREE THAT, UM, I'M CERTAIN THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL BLAST PAST IT ANYWAY, BUT THE MESSAGING IS THAT INTAKE IS CLOSED.
IF YOU DON'T MEAN IT, THEN TAKE THE SIGN DOWN.
UM, IF IT'S BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE, WE CAN'T HAVE MORE INTAKE BECAUSE OF OUR SPACE CRISIS, THEN STOP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST EITHER THE HIGHEST OR, OR, OR THE TOP TWO OR THREE, UH, GOVERNMENT FUNDED SHELTERS, THE HIGHEST BUDGET.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST INTAKE IN THE HISTORY OF AUSTIN BY A WIDE MARGIN.
WE HAVE, WHAT'S SOMETHING LIKE 85, 90% OF THE VET STAFF IS WHAT THE WORKING GROUP SAID.
AND YET HERE WE ARE SAYING, WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT WHERE WE DON'T,
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HE CAN'T DO IT.WE GOT TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO CAN, BECAUSE WE'RE AT WE'RE.
I THINK WE'RE ALL AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB ON THE COMMISSION.
IF WE SIT BACK AND SAY, THIS IS OKAY, I MIGHT AS WELL NOT BE ON THE COMMISSION.
IF WE'RE GOING TO SIT BACK AND SAY, THIS IS OKAY, I HAVE COUNCIL OFFICES SAYING, WHY ARE YOU GUYS SITTING BACK AND SAYING, THIS IS OKAY.
AND I'M MAD AT MYSELF OR TAKING THIS LONG TO BE THIS MAD ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? HISTORICALLY LOW INTAKE.
THIS SHELTER USED TO HAVE A 35,000 AND ONLY PAY FOR A YEAR AND A SH IN A CITY THAT HAD A MUCH LOWER, UH, CUBAN POPULATION.
NOW WE HAVE, I GUESS I JUST LOOKED IT UP IN TRAVIS COUNTY, 1.2 MILLION IN TRAVIS COUNTY HUMAN POPULATION AND AN INTAKE OF WHAT SIX OR 8,000 IS HERE.
IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, I THINK HE'S RIGHT.
I THINK IF YOU LINED THAT UP, BASED ON OUR BUDGET, OUR INTAKE AND OUR HUMAN POPULATION, I DON'T KNOW THE DUDE, ANY CITY, THAT'S A BETTER RESOURCE THAN I THAN US.
SO WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? I'M NOT AT OUR COMMISSION, FRANKLY.
I'M MAD AT ME MAD AT ALL OF US, BUT I'M SORRY, MARK.
COULD I JUST, I WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT.
WE, WHEN WE OFFICIALLY HAD TO GO NO-KILL, THAT WAS JUST PRIOR TO ME STARTING, WE CONTINUED IN A DOWNWARD TREAD OF INTAKE.
WE CHANGED, WE MADE MAJOR CHANGES IN ANIMAL PROTECTION, JUST STOP TAKING IN PETS.
WE STOPPED DOING CONTAINMENT SWEETS, WHERE WE JUST PICKED UP ANIMALS.
WE STOPPED WITH REQUIRING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ANIMALS TO BE PICKED UP BY AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER PRIOR TO THAT, EVEN.
AND I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT, ALL OF THAT.
SO WE, WE CHANGED HOW WE JUDGE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS SUCCESS.
AND THERE'S THEN THERE SSPR IS, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT A SUCCESSFUL SOMETHING PLAN.
UH, THEY ARE JUDGED ON HOW MANY RTOS ARE DO IN THE FIELD.
THEY'RE JUDGED ON ANY RESOURCES THAT THEY GIVE IN THE FIELD OR RESOURCE, UM, REFERRALS THAT THEY MAKE SUCH A SPAY, NEUTER, FENCING, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANYTHING SOMEBODY MIGHT NEED.
WE ALSO DO MICROCHIPPING IN THE FIELD.
WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST MUNICIPAL SHELTERS IN TEXAS, THAT THE APS WERE OUT THERE DOING MICROCHIPS.
NOW, NOT ALL OF THEM DO IT, AND WE DON'T ALWAYS DO IT CAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS SAFE.
WHEN WE ONLY DO DOGS, WE DON'T DO CATS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INTAKE, PART OF OUR PROBLEM IS PRIOR TO COVID, WE SUDDENLY HAD SHOT UP THE LAST TWO YEARS TO OVER 17,000 OF OUR INTAKE.
AND WHEN WE CHANGED THE INTAKE TO PRC, UH, WE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT BETWEEN MYSELF, APRIL MARTIN LAND KIND OF FELL.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON OWNER SURRENDERS BECAUSE THAT SEEMED LIKE A THIRD OF OUR, OF OUR INTAKE.
AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD BE EASY TO MANAGE BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE PEOPLE.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE MORE CONTROLLABLE TO SOME DEGREE THAT WORK, BUT NOT AS WELL AS WE WOULD HAVE LIKED.
THAT WAS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE, UH, QUOTE MANAGED INTAKE PLAN OF SETTING APPOINTMENTS.
WHEN I THEN BECAME IN CHARGE OF THE PRC, WE WERE ALL OVER THE BOARD.
WE HAD APPOINTMENTS OUT MONTHS AND OUR STRAY INTAKE HAD GONE UP EVEN HIGHER.
SO I SAID, OKAY, STOP ALL APPOINTMENTS.
LET'S JUST TAKE WHAT WALKS UP SUDDENLY ARE OWNER SURRENDERS WENT UP AND OUR THREE INTAKE WENT DOWN ALMOST TO THE NUMBER.
SO THAT TOLD ME THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE GETTING FRUSTRATED WITH THE APPOINTMENT SYSTEM AND MANAGE INTAKE.
IT WASN'T REALLY A LEVELING OUT THE FLOW IS WHAT A BEST FRIENDS AND OTHERS CLAIMED IT WOULD.
AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY DEMANDING PUBLIC THAT EXPECTS US TO TAKE CARE OF ANIMALS, WHICH IS FINE.
BUT AS LUKE SAID, WE HAVE SET UP, WE HAVE SET THE STANDARD WITH OUR PUBLIC, THAT, THAT WE SHOULD TAKE EVERYTHING THEY FIND.
AND OUR BIGGEST SURGE WAS IN OVER THE COUNTERS.
THE STRAY AT-LARGE LARGE DOG FOUND RUNNING LOOSE.
I LIKE TO TELL THEY'RE LOOSE, NOT LOST, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT MESSAGING OUT TO TELL PEOPLE LIKE, HEY, WE JUST FOLLOW THEM HOME.
WE'LL YELL AT THEM AND THEY'LL GO HOME.
SOMETIMES WE CATCH THEM, THEY GOT A MICROCHIP.
SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL THE PUBLIC TO TURN AWAY FROM THAT DOG THAT THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.
BUT WHEN WE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, EITHER VIA THE PHONE, WHEN THEY CALL IN A REPORT OR AT THE PRC, THEN WE CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT.
THOSE STATISTICS I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE CAN SEND THEM INFORMATION THAT IF THEY CHOOSE IT, YOU KNOW, TO READ OR WHATEVER, WE CAN USE THE FOUND ATX AND THAT STUFF,
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THAT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE COMING IN ON SATURDAYS THERE, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM WALK AWAY WITH THE DOG AND TRY TO FIND HIS HOME AND SOME DON'T.BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T TAKE IT AWAY, BUT WE ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING NEW THINGS.
WE'RE NEVER SITTING, STILL LOOKING AT OURSELF WONDERING WHY THINGS AREN'T WORKING.
WE HAVE TWO PROBLEMS AT THE SHELTER.
A LOT OF THE DOGS THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN HAVE STAYED THERE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF BEHAVIOR DOGS.
WE HAVE ABOUT 23% OF OUR DOGS RIGHT NOW HAVE BITE HISTORY.
THOSE ARE HARD TO ADOPT OUT WHEN THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THEY ENDED UP TAKING A LOT OF KENNEL SPACES THAT WE DIDN'T USE TO HAVE TO HAVE.
AND EVEN OUR MAIN PARTNER IN TOWN HAS SAID THEY, THEY DON'T PULL THE SAME BEHAVIOR DOGS THAT THEY USED TO PULL BECAUSE THEY ALSO STRUGGLE WITH THEM.
IT'S JUST, THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
SO IF I CAN DO ANYTHING TO KEEP THESE PETS OUT, THAT ALREADY HAVE A HOME AND GET THEM BACK INTO THAT HOME, EITHER WITH MY HELP OR THE PUBLIC'S HELP, THEN WE'RE WINNING.
BUT WE HAVE TO GET, OUR OWNERS ARE, WE HAVE TO GET OUR LOOSE STRAY DOGS DOWN AND, AND WHERE WE'RE STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE FIVE OPENINGS IN ANIMAL PROTECTION.
SO YOU GUYS ALL TALK ABOUT BUDGET.
IT'S HARD TO BE PROACTIVE WHEN, WHEN WE'RE CONSTANTLY BEING REACTIVE IN THE FIELD, OUR BITES ARE UP THROUGH HIGHER THAN THEY'VE BEEN ARE SERIOUS.
BODILY INJURY BITES ARE MUCH HIGHER.
WE'RE S WE'RE HAVING INVESTIGATIONS THAT TAKE LONGER.
SO AGAIN, IF I CAN GET OUT AND DO SOME TARGETED INTAKE REDUCTION, IF THIS DARN COVID STUFF WOULD PASS, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE HAVE HIGH INTAKE AND LOW RETURN TO OWNER RATES LIKE DOVE SPRINGS AND THOSE AREAS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HIT THEM HARD.
AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THE RATE DOWN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SPACE ISSUES BECAUSE OF DOGS THAT ALREADY HAVE HOMES.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE NEED HELP FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT'S SOME OF OUR MESSAGING AND THE RADIO STATIONS IS LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOUR DOG DISAPPEARS.
YOU NEED TO COME TO US TO LOOK FOR IT.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT MESSAGING OUT ABOUT NOT LETTING YOUR DOG RUN THOSE, MAKING SURE IT HAS A MICROCHIP, SPAY, NEUTER, EVERYTHING.
UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE KNOW STATISTICALLY ON NEUTERED, MALES RUN MORE THAN NEUTERED MALES.
SO IT'S JUST, THERE'S SO MUCH MESSAGING TO GET OUT THERE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF IT FALLS ON DEAF EARS AND TELL, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THEY NEED US UNTIL THEY NEED US.
SO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE SHOWING UP THE PRC PISSED OFF BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY NEEDED US.
AND I UNDERSTAND IF THEY GET THERE AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CLOSED, BUT UNDERSTAND IT.
AND HERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF INFORMATION SO THAT THERE IS RESOURCES THERE FOR THEM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TECHNICALLY NOT OPEN IN THAT PART OF THE DEPARTMENT ON THAT DAY, SINCE THE TIME THAT I WAS THERE, THERE WAS JUST A SIGN OUT A FRAME SIGN INTAKE.
BUT THEN THERE IS SIGNAGE ON THE DOOR.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE CHANGED THE SIGNAGE AND WE'RE WILLING TO CHANGE IT AGAIN.
I KNOW AGAIN, STATISTICALLY PEOPLE DON'T READ SIGNS, SIGNAGE PERIOD.
SO I AM TRYING TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO WORK THERE ON WEEKENDS.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOCUS HARDER ON IT AND TRY TO FIND THAT RIGHT PERSONALITY.
BUT AGAIN, ARE, WE WANT TO KEEP THESE DOGS THAT ALREADY HAVE HOMES IN THE HOMES THEY HAVE.
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HELP KEEP US NO-KILL.
IF WE ARE ONLY SHELTERING ANIMALS THAT NEED SHELTERING, WE ALL WIN.
MARK THAT'S THAT THAT'S THAT'S
BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE
SO WE, WE PARTNERED WITH AUSTIN, LOTS OF FOUND PETS TO SEE IF THEY COULD TAKE THE INFORMATION OF OUR RECENTLY IMPOUNDED DOGS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY IDENTIFIERS, LIKE COLLARS TAGS, MICROCHIPS, AND WE ELECTRONICALLY SEND THOSE TO LEADER THAT GROUP.
THEY THEN WENT OUT AND TRIED TO CANVAS THE AREAS WHERE THESE DOGS WERE SUPPOSEDLY FOUND.
NOW, HERE'S THE OTHER PART OF THAT? WE ARE GETTING DOGS IN FROM AREAS OTHER THAN CITY OF AUSTIN AND TRAVIS COUNTY.
IT IS WELL KNOWN ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT IF YOU JUST GIVE US A STREET OR A BLOCK RANGE OR AN INTERSECTION, YOU CAN SAY, THAT'S WHERE YOU FOUND THE DOG.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN GETTING DOGS FROM BASS DROP.
WE'VE HAD MICROCHIPS THAT GO BACK TO DOGS FROM BACKDROP.
UM, WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM BASTROP LOOKING FOR THEIR DOGS IN OUR PAGE BECAUSE BASS IS CURRENTLY CLOSED.
AND, UH, WHAT ABOUT, HAVE YOU TRIED TO ENGAGE, UH, AAC, VOLUNTEERS TO TRY TO HELP FIND THESE HOMES OR, AND WHAT ELSE IS INVOLVED WITH THE PARTNERSHIP OF AUSTIN LOST AND FOUND THE CATS? HOW ARE WE HELPING THEM? WELL, WE GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION.
UM, IT HASN'T, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SUPER SUCCESSFUL.
THEY'VE NOT, SHE HAS NOT GOTTEN THE, UH, THE BUY-IN THAT SHE THOUGHT SHE WOULD.
AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT STARTING A PET DETECTIVE
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TEAM WITHIN OUR OWN VOLUNTEERS.WE'VE HAD SOME VOLUNTEERS IN THE PAST.
UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN SET IT UP SO THEY CAN DO IT REMOTELY.
SO WHETHER WE HAVE COVID OR NOT, IF WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE DON'T WANT TO GO OUT OR CAN'T GO OUT PHYSICALLY, WE CAN SET THEM UP SO THEY CAN DO SOME OF THIS DETECTIVE WORK AT HOME.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S SOME OF THAT'S, UH, DEPENDS ON WHAT JASON AND DON FIND OUT WHAT I CAN LET THEM HAVE ACCESS TO.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT JUST LOOKED AT OUR RECENT IMPOUNDS, OUR FOUND REPORTS IN OUR LAST REPORT, AND JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE SCRUBBING THAT DATA, TRYING TO GET ANIMALS OUT OF HERE, BACK TO THE HOMES THEY ALREADY HAVE.
UH, YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS A 50% RTO RATE BETWEEN THE FIELD AND THE SHELTER.
ARE YOU COASTING ON THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR? NO, WE'RE LIMITED AS TO WHAT WE CAN POST ON NEXT DOOR AS A CITY ENTITY, BUT WE DO ASK PEOPLE TO POST ON THEIR OWN NEXT DOORS.
SOME PEOPLE DO HAVE MULTIPLE NEXT DOORS.
I HAVE, I CAN POST ON FIVE IN MY AREA, SO I DO THAT OUT HERE.
BUT AS A CITY ENTITY, THEY THEY'RE KIND OF CONTROLLING IS WHAT WE PUT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T, THEY'VE ACTUALLY TOLD NEXT DOOR.
THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM MUNICIPALITIES A LOT.
UH, SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH YEAH.
UM, SO, UM, JUST TO CONFIRM, UH, IN THE DOC, IN WHAT'S BEING PER, UM, SUGGESTED, UH, PROPOSED BY THE WORKING GROUP, UM, DOES THIS FAR, THE AAC TEAM, UM, WILL THIS COST ANY MONEY, UM, OR WILL IT TAKE AWAY FROM ANY SERVICES THAT ARE, UM, HAPPENING NOW TO PUT PEOPLE ON OTHER SERVICES ONLY DURING A TIME OF CRISIS? AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A SPACE CRISIS PROBLEM.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FOREVER PROBLEM.
IT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT SPACE, CRISIS AHRQ.
COULD WE, WHEN THERE'S A SPACE CRISIS, CAN WE JUST IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE THINGS IN A MORE ACCELERATED WAY, WHICH IS, UM, PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING TO WHOM WE'D BE DIRECTING THAT QUESTION TO THE ANIMAL CENTER? SORRY, DIRECTOR BLAME.
NO, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT US PUTTING THE FOSTER TO ADOPT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE SET UP AND WORKING TOWARDS TO BE ABLE TO DO IN A SPACE ISSUE.
LANG CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT FOR US TO MOVE SURGERIES AHEAD OF EMERGENCIES, THAT WOULD TAKE MORE VETS TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE EMERGENCIES WOULD BE THE SURGERIES, OR IT WOULD ALLOW OUR, WE WOULD HAVE TO POSSIBLY LOSE SOME ANIMALS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM EMERGENCIES, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE VET STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE.
IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? CORRECT.
WE GET, I MEAN, JUST THIS MONTH, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN 193 EMERGENCIES, SO, AND MO UH, 81 ARE FROM THE EDC AND 112 OR JUST FROM WALKING IN THE DOOR.
AND SO WE'RE A MINI EMERGENCY CLINIC.
AND SO WE CAN'T, IF OUR FOCUS IS ON SPAY-NEUTER, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO GIVE, AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EMERGENCIES.
HE, UM, SPAY NEUTER, UM, IS KIND OF A BASIC SERVICE PROVIDED OF THE SHELTER.
I'M GUESSING THAT ASIDE FROM ME EMANCIPATE CONTRACT AND I HAVEN'T, UM, GOT ALL OF THE NUMBERS YET REQUESTED ON HOW MANY SURGERIES THEY DO FOR ANIMALS IN FOSTER, BUT YOU HAVE OTHER RESOURCES TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE MEDICAL, CORRECT? NO.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? LIKE RESCUE LIKE AUSTIN PETS ALIVE WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE MEDICAL.
THEY DO NOT HELP WITH MUCH, MUCH, UH, THEY, WE SEND VERY FEW OF THEM OTHER THAN PARVO AND NEONATES AND PANLEUK TO DECLINE ON OTHER MEDICAL, YOU ASK THEM TO PAY.
WE HAVE, UM, OFFERED THEM THINGS.
THEY CANNOT GET TO THE ORTHOPEDIC SURGERIES AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
UM, WE, THEY HAVE DECLINED ON STUFF AND SAYING, I DON'T HAVE ROOM EITHER.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE MEDICAL CASES DO THEY DECLINE ON? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
COULD YOU PROVIDE THAT FOR US? PROBABLY NOT.
IT IS NOT TRACKING CHAMELEON, BUT CAN WE TURN THAT FROM A, SOME OF THOSE DOGS, IF WE HAD TO TRANSPORT THEM? I MEAN, DR.
LEN WOULDN'T THEY BE IN KIND OF CONSIDERABLE
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PAIN HAVING TO BE IN THE BACK OF HIS TRUCK AND BOUNCED AROUND TO GET SOMEPLACE, UM, WHEN YOU COULD, SOME OF THEM ARE ME.I SEE PEOPLE WALK IN WITH DOGS AND, UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE, WE COULD LOSE A DOG OR MAKE THE DOG SUFFER BY TRANSPORTING THE DOG.
I MEAN, WE GET INTO SEVERE, SEVERE EMERGENCIES.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN, UM, CONTROL, REALIZE HOW SEVERE WERE MANY EMERGENCY CLINICS BASICALLY, AND THESE ARE SEVERELY INJURED.
AND SO YES, TRANSPORTING THEM ONCE YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO STABILIZE THEM, TAKES A LOT OF THAT TIME.
AND A LOT OF THESE, MOST OF THE STUFF AT THE ECC IS TAKEN UP.
WE'RE GETTING A HUGE INCREASE IN OWNER SURRENDERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO TREAT THEM AND STILL THEY OWNER SURRENDER THEM.
AND THEN THEY STABILIZED THEM AT THE SEASON.
WE GET THEM HERE AND WE HAVE TO TREAT THEM SO STABILIZE THAT THEY SEE IN THEIR OWNER SURRENDER, THEY OFFER TO RESCUE PARTNERS, CORRECT.
SAY THAT AGAIN, THEY'RE STABILIZED AT THAT AGENCY CLINIC AND THEIR OWNER SURRENDERS, THEY COULD BE OFFERED TO PARTNERS.
IS THAT CORRECT? MANY OF THESE HAVE FRACTURES THAT NEED ORTHOPEDIC SURGERY AND APA HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET THE WORKER PEDIC SURGERIES DONE.
WE HAVE ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THEM DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION, EXCUSE ME.
I JUST WANT TO ASK TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER MY HOUSE ASKED.
IF WE, IF THE NUMBERS OF THE PERCENTAGE OF MEN FACE ANIMALS, THAT APA REFUSES, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ALSO GET THE PERCENTAGE OF ANIMALS THAT ARE SO INJURED? IT WOULD BE BAD TO TRANSPORT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I DIDN'T KNOW EXAMPLES, LIKE LARGE NUMBER.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON ANOTHER NUMBER, UM, DIRECTOR BLAND OR JASON, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SPACE CRISIS? AND WHAT'S THE EXACT METRIC YOU USE TO KNOW YOU HIT THAT THRESHOLD.
WHEN WE'RE HAVING TO PUT WHERE ALL OUR KENNELS ARE FULL, ALL OUR PERMANENT KENNELS ARE FULL AND WE HAVE TO PUT, UH, ANIMALS AND ROLLING GRAPES IN THE HALL.
THAT'S CONSIDERED A SPICE CRISIS.
ACCORDING TO THE VIRTUAL KENNEL REPORT TODAY, I COUNTED LIKE 20 OPEN KENNELS.
IS THAT STILL THE CASE? WELL, IF IT'S INCLUDING, I THINK IT HAD, WE HAD THE DECALS OR THE, HE KIND OF WAS OUTSIDE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DRAINAGE, BUT WE PUT THEM IN THERE OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THE DOG THERE AND WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT WE GIVE OUT, ESPECIALLY DURING SUMMERTIME FOR THE GUESTS STAY OUT THERE THAT LONG.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, WE HAVE KENNELS ON THE 600, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY PUBLIC CHANNELS.
SO THE MORNING EMAIL THAT GOES OUT WHEN IT SAYS MIKE IT'S NEGATIVE 30TH BECAUSE WE LACKED PUBLIC PANELS.
AND SO THAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE TO FIND SPACE WITHIN THE PUBLIC PHENOLS IN ORDER TO, TO PUT THEM OUT FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL USUALLY RESORT TO PUTTING THEM IN, IN RABIES, QUARANTINE IN ROLLING, UH, STAGES IN HALLWAYS.
AND THEN WE PUT THEM OUT IN THE FEED PANELS.
THOSE ARE USUALLY OUTDOOR FILMS, UM, THAT WE REALLY CAN'T UTILIZE THAT LONG.
SO I KNOW THAT THEY'RE ALL IN VIRTUAL, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE OUTDOORS.
JASON, IF YOU, JUST TO CLARIFY, SINCE YOU HAVE APPOINTMENTS FOR OWNER SURRENDERS INSIDE TO ALSO HAVE TO KEEP A CERTAIN NUMBER OF KENNELS AVAILABLE TO TAKE THOSE ANIMALS IN.
I MEAN, WE TRY TO ONLY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE STUFF AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN YOU HAVE TO PUT THOSE IN THE HOLDING AREA.
SO THOSE ARE TYPICAL KENNELS THAT WILL SHOW UP IN VISUAL CANDLE, BUT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY JUST FOR ANYTHING THAT MAY COME IN, ANYTHING THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT BRINGS IN OVERNIGHT, AND THEN ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE PLATED FOR AN OWNER TO RENDER THE NEXT DAY AND, AND, AND FOSTERS WHO, UM, HAVE TO RETURN THEIR DOGS EITHER TEMPORARY DURING VACATION, OR JUST RETURN THEM.
AND SO, UM, DEPENDING ON HIS FACE CRY, WHAT MIGHT BE GOING HOME AT LEAST FOR SURGERY, THEN THEY MAY, UM, AS SOON AS WE GET HERE, I MEAN, WE'LL TRY TO PUT THOSE ANIMALS INTO THE SURGERY CALC AND THEN START MAKING THE MOVEMENTS FROM WHATEVER TO HOLDINGS, WHATEVER THEN FROM PUBLIC KENNELS INTO THOSE CHANNELS, BECAUSE THOSE ANIMALS WILL STAY ON THEIR PROPERTY UNTIL THEY'RE FIXED UP.
WE'LL DO A QUICK DO THE CLEANING AND THEN MOVE THAT DOGS OVER TO THAT KENNEL DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'LL BE, EVEN GETTING WHERE TERMINIX, KENDALL.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL FOR THE DAY TO HANDLE FOR YOU GUYS? SORRY.
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TO CIRCLE BACK TO, UM, TO DR.LON, NUMBER ONE, I THINK YOU AND YOUR STAFF DO A FABULOUS JOB WITH WHAT YOU HAVE THERE, AAC.
UM, COULD YOU HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND? CAUSE I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING, UM, IF YOU HAVE YOUR VET, THEY'RE DOING SPAY AND NEUTER SURGERIES IN YOUR ONE SURGERY ROOM, CORRECT? THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE AC WE HAVE ONE SURGERY ROOM IN ONE PREP TABLE.
SO IF, IF THEY'RE DOING IT, IF YOU'RE DOING THE HIGH NEUTER SPAIN OR HIGH VOLUME SPAY NEUTER IN THERE, YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY COME IN.
THAT ROOM HAS TO GET THAT ROOM WOULD GET TURNED OVER TO HANDLE THAT EMERGENCY CASE.
SO SPAY AND NEUTER SURGERIES WOULD STOP.
WE, WE HAVE A ROOM THAT WE TREAT THE EMERGENCIES IN AND UNLESS WE HAVE TO GO IN AND DO AN EMERGENCY SURGERY AND THEN WE TAKE UP THE OTHER TRIBAL.
SO THAT WOULD IMPACT THE NUMBER OF SPAY AND NEUTERS BEING DONE ON THE DAYS THAT YOU GET THESE EMERGENCIES.
AND THEN MARK, I HAVE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION.
I SEE AAC INTAKE CLOSED SATURDAY AND SUNDAY POSTING VERY BIG RED SIGN, WHITE LETTERS OUTSIDE THE DOOR.
WHAT I DON'T SEE IS A LITTLE EIGHT BY 10, SHE HATES TO THE DOOR.
SO WITH ALL THE OTHER RESOURCES AND INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO IS IT POSSIBLE TO EITHER MOVE THE AAC INTAKE, SIGN CLOSER AT THE DOOR SO THAT AS EVEN WHEN PEOPLE SEE THAT, THEN THEY SEE THOSE OTHER SHEETS OF PAPER THERE OR MAKE SOMETHING EQUALLY AS LARGE, IS THAT AAC INTAKE CLOSED WITH RESOURCES FOR YOU SO THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GIVING EQUAL IMPORTANCE TO THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAN TO THE AAC INTAKE CLOSE.
WE DID AT THE BEGINNING OF COVID, WE HAD A MUCH LARGER, A LITTLE INFORMATION BOARD ON THE DOOR.
IT DID NOT LAST THROUGH THE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SNOWMAGEDDON, SOMETHING CAUSES DEMISE.
UM, I AM LIKE YOU, ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT READ SIGNS.
SO I I'M HAPPY TO HEAR SOMEBODY WHO READS SIGNS, BUT WE WILL CHANGE SIGNAGE.
AND AGAIN, IF I CAN GET STAFF HIRED, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T TAKE THAT LONG ANYWAY.
UM, AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, IT JUST TAKES A WHILE TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST COMMON KNOWLEDGE LIKE, HEY, IF YOU FIND A DOG TEXT FOUND, ATX, HERE'S ANOTHER INTERESTING THING.
WE ALL LIVE IN A WORLD OF ANIMAL WELFARE.
SO WE HAVE CERTAIN TERMS WE'RE ENDEARED TO, AND THAT WE KNOW I HAD SOMEBODY ON NEXT DOOR IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONFUSED.
AND THEN PEOPLE ON THE, ON THE FORUMS SAID, WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT POSTING YOUR DOG, THAT'S A DOG.
YOU FOUND, HE SAID, I KNOW IT'S A LOST DOG.
SO EVEN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T LIVE IN OUR WORLD, YOU KNOW, A DOG WALKS UP INTO SOMEBODY'S YARD, IT'S A LOST DOG TO THEM.
SO FOR THEM TO TEXT LOS ATX, THEY'RE GOING TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR DOG THAT GOT LOST.
THIS IS HOW CONFUSING AND HOW COUNTING FOUNDING.
SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE WHAT WE THINK SHOULD BE A SIMPLE FIX, ENDS UP BEING, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S ALWAYS THAT OUTLIER AND THAT, THAT RULE, THAT NOT EVERYTHING FOLLOWS THE SAME PATH SO WE CAN CHANGE SIGNAGE.
WE CAN PUT SOME MORE, YOU KNOW, BIGGER VERBIAGE OUT THERE WITH SOME ARE BIGGER LETTERS, UH, BIGGER SIGNAGE ABOUT WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THE, THE, THE CLOSED SIGN WAS DONE PURPOSELY BECAUSE ESPECIALLY DURING THE HEIGHT OF COVID, WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE DOOR.
UM, BUT, UH, WE'RE WILLING TO TRY THINGS AND SEE WHAT WORKS.
LISA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, JUST SORT OF AN OBSERVATION, UM, BECAUSE EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY ELSE'S ART DOES THAT THINGS BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT I MAY BE NOT VERY BRIGHT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE SHIPPING ANIMALS TO OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE LESS SUCCESS IN ADOPTING THEM OUT, WE'VE GOT SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS. AND I, AND, AND THE THINGS I HEARD TONIGHT, MAKE ME A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED, CAUSE WE'RE KIND OF BLAMING THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT, CALLING PEOPLE CRANKY THAT COME INTO THE PET RESOURCE RESOURCE CENTER DURING THE WEEK WHEN WE ALL KNOW, AS WE'VE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, AND MONICA CITED A STATISTIC ABOUT THE FACT THAT MANY PEOPLE WORK ON THE WEEKENDS.
AND SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE FALLING SHORT, PROVIDING THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY NEED.
AND YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THIS, THIS CANDOR TONIGHT.
AND I APPRECIATE THE CIVILIZED DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSIONER A REALLY LONG TIME.
AND I WAS HERE PRE NO-KILL AND I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT WE WERE SLIPPING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE WE PASSED NO KILL.
I MEAN, THE THING ABOUT BITE HISTORY DOGS, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM.
UM, A LOT OF THESE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ISSUES THAT ARE FACED BY THE SHELTER.
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AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SUDDENLY WE, THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THEY'D BECOME SUCH A PROBLEM.YOU KNOW, THESE WERE THINGS THAT WERE KIND OF MANAGEABLE AND THE SHELTER HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE CAME TO SHELTER FREQUENTLY.
IT MAKES DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO GET DONE VERY HARD, BUT IT STILL HAS TO GET DONE.
I MEAN, ALL OF US IN OUR DAILY JOBS STILL DO OUR JOBS.
AND I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE SHORT-STAFFED AND YOU HAVE LACK OF FUNDS, IT'S HARD, BUT SHUTTING DOWN THE SHELTERS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP AND YOU CAN'T TELL US WHY IS IT LEAVES ME WANTING MORE IN TERMS OF THE EXPLANATION, BECAUSE IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO MY COUNCIL MEMBER, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX ALL THESE PROBLEMS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THOSE OBSERVATIONS OUT BECAUSE I'M SCARED.
WE'RE GOING TO START PICKING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS AGO.
AND I JUST, I REALLY HOPE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AS VIXEN.
UH, WE HAVE A, UM, SO A FEW MORE ITEMS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO TONIGHT AND I DON'T WANT TO STAY TOO LATE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UH, ONE THING WE CAN DO, WE CAN CONTINUE DISCUSSING THIS.
WE CAN TAKE SOME KIND OF ACTION OR WE COULD, UH, CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE COULD DO, AND I JUST KINDA WANNA KNOW WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO DO HERE, PALMER.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL ON FOUNDATIONS FIRST, UM, ON WAYS TO HELP, UH, RESTRUCTURE AND MAYBE MOVE THROUGH SOME OF THESE SPACE CRISISES.
I SECOND THAT, UH, SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, LET'S GET THIS CLEAR IS, IS THE BACKUP THAT YOU SUBMITTED, YOU WANT TO SUBMIT THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS WHAT YOU THINK THE SHELTER SHOULD BE DOING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE? YES.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.
WHAT I, I, CAN YOU EXPLAIN PLUMBER? UM, THE ISSUE WITH LONG STAY, UM, MEDIUM AND LARGE DOGS.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF QUALITY OF LIFE FOR DOGS, UM, THAT, UM, IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO BE, UM, IN A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS.
AND I THOUGHT THE SHELTER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECLINING POLES FROM PARTNERS IS ALSO WORTH TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF WE VOTE ON THIS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UM, AS YOU EXPLAINED TO US WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE AND HOW THE GROUP WILL CONTINUE? OH, GOOD QUESTIONS.
SO ON HERE, WE, IN THE INTRODUCTION, WE HAD SAID THAT INITIAL RECOMMENDATION PATIENTS, WE ASKED TO BE IMPLEMENTED IMMEDIATELY, WHY WE CONTINUE TO ANALYZE THE DATA AND ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS MAY FOLLOW IN THE WORKING GROUP.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE ALL OF THE DATA WE HAD ASKED FOR REGARDING FOSTER BEHAVIOR, LOCKED ANIMALS AND BEHAVIOR.
WE NEEDED TO DO MORE IN DEPTH, LOOK AT THE BIG DOGS AND THE BIG DOGS WITH BEHAVIOR, AND WHAT'S CAUSING THEM TO GET STUCK AND WOULD LIKELY HAVE MORE RECOMMENDATIONS IN PARTICULAR REGARDING THAT POPULATION.
UH, BUT SINCE WE DIDN'T GET THE DATA, WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT ON IT.
WE WANT TO ASK THAT THIS WORKING GROUP CONTINUE AND THAT THIS FIRST INITIAL RECOMMENDATION BE SENT TO COUNCIL CAN STAY ON THE AGENDA OR ON, ON THE AGENDA WITH THE SAME MEMBERS, IF THEY WANT TO.
THERE'S A BIT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK.
UH, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, UH, ISN'T IN YOUR REPORT OR REQUEST FOR DATA WEEKLY, CERTAIN DATA TO BE DELIVERED WEEKLY.
UM, YEAH, I'M WONDERING IF THAT SHOULD BE IN, IN WHAT WE SEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT'S JUST A REQUEST.
UH, WELL, THEY NEED TO CREATE THE REPORTS.
SO WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CREATE THEM AND SO, AND USE THEM FOR OVERSIGHT.
SO IT'S, I DON'T WITH THE DATA ISSUES THEY'VE HAD AS FAR AS GETTING THOSE REPORTS READY TO BE REVIEWED ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY COULD BE SENT TO COUNCIL AFTER, BUT I DO NOT THINK THIS RECOMMENDATION SHOULD WAIT FOR THOSE GIVEN THE TIME, THE DELAY TIME THAT'S BEEN TAKING PLACE ON REQUESTED DATA.
IT'S JUST THAT YOU THINK THAT THAT REQUESTS SHOULD BE PART OF WHAT WE SEND THE CITY
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COUNCIL? YES.I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND WITHOUT THOSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO PIECE IT TOGETHER AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO BE SIT TOGETHER.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, HOMER? THIS IS RYAN.
UM, I, I WAS WONDERING IF, UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE ALL HAD TONIGHT.
UM, AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU WOULD ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR SOMETHING LIKE, UM, AND MAYBE IT'S TOO DIFFICULT TO DO IT FROM HERE.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WHICH ANIMALS, UH, HAVE BEEN PLED TO APA FOR MEDICAL REASONS AND DECLINED UPON.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHICH ANIMALS HAVE, HAVE GONE TO OTHER, UH, ANIMAL CLINICS, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE COME INTO THE SHELTER AND GONE TO OTHER ANIMAL CLINICS, UM, THAT WERE NOT PLED TO APA.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE TO ADD THAT TO YOUR, I WOULD ACCEPT THAT.
I THINK THAT, THAT, UM, GIVEN THE DISCUSSION THAT'S TAKEN PLACE TODAY, I THINK, AND THE CONCERNS WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME OF THESE, I, I STOPPED ADDING THOSE REPORTS.
I THINK THOSE COULD BE USEFUL AS WELL, BUT DIDN'T THE CITY SAY THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT DATA.
AND ALSO THEY CAN STILL BE IMPACTED.
I MEAN, WOULDN'T, THAT SERVICES STILL BE IMPACTED BY A DOG VET SO BAD THAT THEY JUST COULDN'T EVEN OFFER IT.
THEY JUST HAD TO TRY, THEY JUST HAD TO FIX IT OR EUTHANIZE IT.
I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE CAPTURED IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING TO SAY IS THE REASON WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING.
I THINK WE NEED TO CAPTURE THE DATA.
AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE NOT TRACKING IT.
NOW, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ASK THEM TO TRACK IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT HARD IF THEY ARE PLEADING THEM.
IF THEY'RE PLAYING THEM, THERE'S A RECORD OF IT SOMEWHERE.
UM, IT GOT WRITTEN DOWN, UM, I MEAN, MAYBE THEY'RE DOING IT BY TEXT.
UM, BUT, BUT IT'S PRETTY, IT IS EMINENTLY TRACKABLE TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU HAVE PLED A METAPHOR.
SO WHAT WOULD THE EXACT WORDING OF THAT AMENDMENT SOMETHING QUICK AND SIMPLE, OR IF Y'ALL WOULD ALLOW, UH, UH, ME TO WORK WITH RYAN ON THE VERBIAGE, BUT THAT WE'RE WE'RE, I WANT TO CAPTURE ENOUGH SPECIFIC IN THE REQUEST OF THE REPORT THAT IT CAPTURES THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED.
UM, CAN WE DO IT THAT WAY OR DO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THE VERBIAGE RIGHT NOW? I THINK WE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET EVERYBODY TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT SAYS, THE MIC, MY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE INFORMATION THAT IS ALREADY IN THE BACK BACKUP MATERIALS, THAT WE ALSO ASK FOR A MONTHLY REPORT OF THE ANIMALS THAT ARE LED TO APA MEDICAL FOR MEDICAL REASONS AND DECLINED AND, UH, THE ANIMALS THAT ARE, UH, NEVER PLED TO APA FOR MEDICAL REASONS.
SO YOU WANT TO CAPTURE DATA ABOUT THE, THE ANIMALS THAT ARE PLED TO APA AND DECLINED, AND YOU WANT TO CAPTURE THAT? I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT, THAT SECOND ONE BETTER.
THE SECOND ONE IS ANIMALS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE TRANSFERRED TO OTHER HOSPITAL CLINICS FROM AAC, UH, OTHER THAN APA.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR AND SIMPLE.
WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND JUST DO A COMPREHENSIVE MEDICAL REPORT, MONTHLY REPORT OF ANIMALS WITH MEDICAL REASONS AND TRANSFERRED TO OTHER, UH, HOSPITAL CLINICS.
AND THEN ALSO MAYBE A NUMBER OF ANIMALS HOSPITALIZED AND LINK THE POT HOSPITALIZATION.
CURRENTLY AT AAC, I WILL SUPPORT YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IS WE DO NOT SEND OUT ANY MEDICAL ANIMALS TO OTHER CLINICS.
THAT ANSWERS THAT, BUT I THOUGHT YOU
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DID.WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, HOLD ON.
I THOUGHT IN THE PAST I'VE SEEN EXPENDITURES FOR, UH, SURGERIES AT OTHER CLINICS.
THE CTV IS ORTHOPEDIC SURGERY, SURGERY, SURGEONS COME IN HERE TO DO THOSE, BUT WE DO, WE DO SEND SOME TO CTV.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, WE'RE NOT.
SO I GUESS I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS THE, UH, THAT THE INFORMATION ON THE ANIMALS THAT ARE, UM, THAT WE'RE USING OUR RESOURCES FOR PAYING SOMEBODY ELSE, WHETHER IT HAPPENS ON SITE OR WHETHER WE'RE SENDING THEM TO THEM AND KEEPING OWNERSHIP OF THE ANIMALS OURSELVES.
SO MONTHLY REPORT OF ANIMALS PLED TO APA WITH MEDICAL RE UH, ISSUES AND DECLINED.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MONTHLY REPORT OF OUTSIDE VENDORS OR EXPENDITURES REGARDING MEDICAL CASES CURRENTLY HOUSED AT AAC.
AND THEN NUMBER OF ANIMALS HOSPITALIZED AT AAC AND NUMBER OF DAYS OF HOSPITALIZATION.
AND I THINK THAT, BUT, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD THAT SOME ARE PHYSICALLY TRANSFERRED, BUT CUSTODY STILL BELONGS TO AAC.
SO WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT CAPTURED THE ANIMALS THAT GO TO THE CTVS H ARE NOT THERE TO SURGERY AND COME RIGHT BACK.
THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT PHYSICALLY STAYING AT THE CLINIC.
THERE'S UH, WELL, RIGHT NOW THERE'S BEEN ONE, IT MAY BE AN OLD ONE THAT WAS SHOWING UP AS AT CLINIC FOR AWHILE.
I MEAN, MENTORING, BUT I DIDN'T HOLD A RECORD ON IT.
WE HAVE, UH, WE DO SEND SOME, OUR ORTHOPEDIC SURGERIES TO, UH, CTVS H FOR PHYSICAL THERAPY IN THE UNDERWATER TREADMILL.
WELL THEN I GUESS WE'D LIKE TO CAPTURE THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE MEDICAL SERVICES AS A PROVIDER.
AND I GUESS THAT INFORMATION ON THE CASES THAT THEY PROVIDED SERVICES FOR.
AND I GUESS THE COST OF THE SERVICES.
SO LIKE THE BREAKDOWN OF WHICH ANIMALS RECEIVE SERVICES AND BY WHOM, AND I GUESS THAT THE COST, SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT IS THIS IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, TO THE AAC SPACE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THAT CORRECT? EFFECTIVELY? WE'RE JUST AGREEING ON WHAT SO, SO, SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE COST OF A DOG GETTING PHYSICAL THERAPY AND HIS OTHER CLINIC HAVE TO DO WITH THE SPACE ISSUE? WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS WORKING GROUP? WELL, THE WORKING GROUP, THE REASON THAT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADD THE PIECES THROUGH, OF THE KENNELS IN THE MEDICAL AREA.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE OVERSIGHT AND THE REWORKING OF THE MEDICAL MIKE, READY? THAT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, BIG PICTURE.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A RESTRUCTURING AND MEDICAL MAKE READY, AND THESE CASES ARE WHAT AAC HAS SAID MAY MAKE SOME OF IT DIFFICULT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT AND WE NEED TO CAPTURE DATA ON, AS I SAID, IF WE'RE SAYING WE CAN OR CAN'T DO SOMETHING, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DATA IS THAT THAT DECISION IS BEING BASED ON.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT DATA IS NOT BEING CAPTURED.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
UH, JOANNE, BUT THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S ALSO, THERE COULD BE A TIME WHERE DR.
LUNN DECIDES THE CASE IS SO SEVERE.
THEY JUST CAN'T EVEN ASK ANYBODY.
THEY JUST HAVE TO STOP AND DO IT, OR THE ANIMAL COULD DIE.
WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO OR ASKING THEM TO REPORT WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND WE AGREE, JOANNE, WE AGREE WITH THAT.
OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO, IT JUST CAME FOR A REPORT ON IT WITHOUT EVEN TAKING WINDOWS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THE INFORMATION.
OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THOSE CASES.
AND OF COURSE THEY CAN'T PLEAD THEM TO PLEAD THEM TO ANYBODY.
THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT OUR VIEW.
THAT'S JUST REPORTING DATA THAT I THINK SHOULD BE CAPTURED AND IT'S NOT.
SO, SO WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS THE, UH, THE SHELF SPACE USE THESE WORKING
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GROUPS REPORT TO SEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, PLUS THE DATA THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT CAPTURING AS WELL.ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS? OKAY.
WELL THEN LET'S CALL FOR A VOTE.
YEAH, WE CAN'T SEE SOME PEOPLE.
SO CRAIG SAYS, I PALMER SAYS, I, RYAN SAYS I, UH, NANCY NAMER, MONICA, UH, KATIE, UH, WE D LISA, WE DON'T KNOW LOUISE, I GUESS IS, IS OKAY.
ALTHOUGH IT WAS OPPOSED, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY, I SAY NO, I GUESS.
AND WHAT ABOUT MAYBE LISA JUST CALLED AND SAID YOU CAN'T HEAR HER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL, BUT FOR NOW WE'LL SAY LISA SAYS, I, CAUSE IT IT'S APPARENTLY LEGAL.
UM, SO JOANNE SAYS NO LOT OF SAYS NO, LOUIE SAYS NO.
UH, I THINK THAT'S IT THAT I CAPTURED IT ALL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS WORKING GROUP ON THE AGENDA, CORRECT FOR NEXT.
[4a. Update, Discussion and Possible Action regarding Austin Police Department’s Animal Cruelty Division]
TO NEW BUSINESS, A UPDATE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENTS, ANIMAL CRUELTY DIVISION, UH, I, YOU ALL GOT SENT A LETTER.UM, THE POLICE HAVE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH DECIDED TO, UM, CUT ONE OF THE ANIMAL, CRUELTY APD OFFICERS AND SEND THEM ELSEWHERE.
UM, AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE THIS NOW, DESPITE NOT KNOWING HOW THIS ROAD'S GOING TO END UP IN NOVEMBER.
UH, SO, UH, UM, I, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE SOME KIND OF ACTION ON THIS AND JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THIS.
ANYBODY HAVE SOME COMMENTS? I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION.
I GOT SOME BOOTS FOR EMOTION, BUT I CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION, GREG.
YES, I WOULD, UH, IS AS LONG AS YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT AND SUBJECT TO WHATEVER, UM, AMENDMENT YOU GIVE TO ME FOR LEHMAN THAT YOU OFFER, I WOULD, I WOULD REC I WOULD VOTE FOR US TO RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL THAT THE CITY OF BOSTON CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, RETAIN, UH, IT'S A FULL LOAD OF OFFICERS AND THE ANIMAL CRUELTY DIVISION.
SO MY WORDING FOR THAT WOULD BE LOST ANIMAL VIRUS COMMISSIONED STRONGLY RECOMMENDS THAT APDS ANIMAL CRUELTY PROGRAM NOT BE CUT AND ANY CUTS MADE RE YOU RESTORED.
I WILL ACCEPT YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
THE OSS ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION STRONGLY RECOMMENDS THAT APDS ANIMAL CRUELTY PROGRAM NOT BE CUT AND ANY CUTS MADE RECENTLY BE RESTORED.
SO, UH, THAT'S, WE'VE HAD A FIRST BY RYAN.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? I THINK THIS IS REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED.
UM, AS RYAN IS UPSET ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS, I'M UPSET THAT IT HAS TAKEN US THIS LONG TO GET TO THIS NEW BUSINESS AS IT'S DOWN THE AGENDA FOR MONTHS.
UM, AND WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO IT.
UM, I THINK HAD WE GOTTEN TO IT IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER, PERHAPS IT MIGHT'VE HAD SOME EFFECT ON THE CUT THAT WAS MOST RECENTLY MADE.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, AS A WHOLE BODY, WE NEED TO, UM, TRY TO ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THE BUSINESS ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA AT EACH MEETING, IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM ON THERE.
UH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A REASON THEY WERE PUT ON.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD ATTEMPT TO DO OUR BEST TO ACCOMPLISH THEM AND GET THEM TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, SO ANYWAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
AND JUST TO ADD A LOT OF THIS, WE ALL NEED TO BE AWARE OF OUR DINNER TIME
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RESTRAINTS.FORTUNATELY, THEY DECIDED TO ALLOW US TO MEET TILL 10 O'CLOCK.
AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE THAT.
WE HAD SO MANY STUFF BUILT UP.
I WAS GOING TO GET TO THIS TONIGHT PERIOD.
HOW MANY SUPPORT THIS EMOTION? I AGREE.
LISA JUST CALLED ME AND SAID HERE, BUT CAN'T, CAN'T SEE.
YOU CAN'T SEE OR HEAR AT LEAST.
SO LOUISE LOUISE, YOU SUPPORT AND LISA DOES, AND RYAN DOES, SO, OKAY, SO IT'S UNANIMOUS.
CRAIG, CAN I JUST ADD ONE MORE THING? AND YES IT IS.
AND, UH, LISA BELIEVES THAT SHE'S BEEN BLOCKED BY THE HOST.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY, UH, IT DEPARTMENT IS LISTENING, UH, BUT LISA MITCHELL IS ON OUR COMMISSION AND, UH, SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT SHE'S BEEN BLOCKED.
ARE YOU LISTENING? I WAS JUST ON YOUTUBE.
UH, THE ITEM IS DISCUSSION, UPDATE AND
[Extra Item 4B]
POSSIBLE ACTION ON AUSTIN PETS, ALIVE FUTURE AT THE TIME, LIKE ANIMAL CENTER AND THE MAINTENANCE OF NO KILLING AUSTIN.AND WE HAVE, UH, UH, WE HAVE ELLEN JEFFERSON WITH US.
AND, UH, SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE DIDN'T KNOW, UH, THAT MAYBE SHE CAN INFORM US ABOUT.
CAN I, CAN I INTERRUPT WITH, WELL THAT RYAN GO, GO AHEAD.
UM, FOR, FOR THIS TOO, I HAD ASKED THE CITY TO, UH, TO ALLOW COMMISSIONERS, TO ASK DR.
JEFFERSON QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE, UM, THE ITEM ON THE STAFF AGENDA ON THE STAFF UPDATE.
AND, UM, THE CITY LAW DEPARTMENT SUGGESTED TO CRAIG AND I, THAT THE WAY TO DO THAT WAS JUST TO PUT IT AS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM.
SO WE DID NOT ASK, SHE MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT WE DID NOT ASK, UH, DR.
JEFFERSON TO PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION.
UM, WE JUST WANTED, UH, CRAIG AND I FELT THAT WE OWED IT TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, TO THE EXTENT THAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF APA RELATED TO THE, UM, UH, THE BUILDING AND THE LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT A REPRESENTATIVE APA BE AVAILABLE FOR THE COMMISSION.
SO I THINK SHE SAT THROUGH IT THIS WHOLE TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE FELT THAT WE OWED IT TO YOU, UH, TO MAKE HER AVAILABLE.
AND SHE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY IN ADDITION, BUT WE FELT LIKE WE OWED IT TO YOU TO MAKE HER AVAILABLE.
UH, SO, UM, I HAVE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER IT ELLEN, BUT LET'S, LET'S JUST, UM, TAKE A FOR INSTANCE, UM, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY THAT YOU CAN'T COME TO AGREEMENT THE CITY AND YOU ARE NO LONGER AT A T LACK.
UM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR NEW RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY? WE ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE NEGOTIATIONS AND THE CITY, AS DON MENTIONED, THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED A THREE-MONTH EXTENSION.
AND SO OUR, OUR PLAN A IS TO STAY AT TOWN LAKE AND TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO ACHIEVE, UM, A NEW LICENSE AGREEMENT.
THAT MAKES SENSE FOR BOTH PARTIES.
UM, OF COURSE OUR, OUR JOB AS AN ORGANIZATION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE THINKING OF ALL EVENTUALITIES AND, UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, VETTING PLAN B OPTIONS, BUT I'M NOT AT LIBERTY AT THIS TIME TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THEM.
BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THE PLAN A IS TO CONTINUE TRYING TO GET TO THE PLACE WHERE WE CAN AGREE.
UH, I ALSO, UH, UNDER THIS, THIS IS KIND OF A, UH, A LARGE ITEM.
UH, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I DID A SHELTER TOUR AND I THINK ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES WITH, UH, KEEPING AUSTIN, NO KILL IS LARGE DOGS WITH BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS, I THINK.
AND, UM, I MEAN, OKAY, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT.
I BINGED WATCHED, UH, THE, OH, WHAT'S THE CESAR MILAN, AND THEY HAVE A NEWS SHOW ON THERE WITH THESE, THESE, YOU KNOW, TELEVISION GUYS WORKING WITH BEHAVIOR DOGS JUST TO GET MY
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HEAD AROUND.I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH BEHAVIOR DOGS.
I MEAN, I LOVE DOGS AND I GET ALONG REALLY WELL WITH DOGS AND I CAN GET ALONG BETTER WITH DOGS AND SOME PEOPLE CAN'T GET ALONG WITH, BUT IT'S JUST TOTAL INSTINCT.
UM, AND WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME IS THERE IS A LOT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS AND PEOPLE CAN BE GOOD AT THIS.
IF PEOPLE CAN GO OUT AND DO IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT.
THE IDEA WITH NO KILL, ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS TO HIRE A BEHAVIOR IS FOR AUSTIN.
AND SO NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT DONE WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
AND I KNOW PART OF THAT HAD BEEN, UH, APA, BUT THERE'S ALSO WHAT FINAL FRONTIERS.
UH, AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL FILLED UP NOW.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PANDEMIC IS AFFECTED EVERYBODY AND MONEY AND EVERYTHING.
SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A KEY ISSUE.
AND AS FAR AS APA CAN HELP US OUT WITH THAT OR ANY PARTNER THAT FRANKLY THAT CAN HELP US OUT WITH THAT IS ABSOLUTELY VITALLY IMPORTANT.
PLUS THE POSSIBILITY MAYBE SOMEDAY HIRING SOMEONE IN A HOUSE.
WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS THAT TRY TO HELP WITH THIS.
WHAT'S THE GROUP CALLED JOANN THE, UH, LIKE THE ORANGE.GROUP.
THE ORANGE DOG CREW, UM, UH, AND, AND THERE'S ISSUES WITH, UH, WITH THAT IN THE SHELTER.
I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM.
IF WE WANT TO KEEP NO KILL, I THINK THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE OVERCOME.
AND, UH, I MEAN, I WAS TALKING TO DON ABOUT IT AT THE SHELTER.
UH, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THESE DOGS? THIS IS, AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH IDEAS.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE ON IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND, AND RYAN, UM, OFFERING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT NOT KNOWING WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, WE COULDN'T REALLY PREPARE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, IT SEEMS, UM, A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO DO.
SO IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD PREPARE FOR AND DO NEXT MONTH, UH, WOULD, UH, WOULD JOANNE WANT TO DO THAT OR NO, NOT WOULD ALAN WANT TO DO THAT? WOULD YOU WANT TO, WE CAN PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND YOU COULD COME NEXT MONTH SINCE WE HAD A REALLY HARD TIME GETTING THE AGENDA TOGETHER AT THE LAST MINUTE, PART OF THE REASON BELINDA HA HAD A VACATION AND WE HAD SOME DISAGREEMENT ON HOW ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE WORDED AND IF, WHAT SECTION THEY WERE IN AND WHO COULD SPEAK IN WHICH SECTION.
SO THIS WAS A LITTLE LAST MINUTE.
I WISH IT HADN'T BEEN, I TRIED TO MAKE IT NOT A, UM, BUT IT, IF, UH, WE COULD DO THAT, IF YOU'D LIKE, OR WE COULD, WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS OR, OR START A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS STUFF, BECAUSE I THINK WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING PEOPLE I REALLY DO.
I AGREE WITH RYAN'S FRUSTRATION SOMETIME WE NEED TO.
SO WELL, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THIS, IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, WE CAN, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAY BE DONE IN A MONTH.
IT MAY BE THAT THE, THEIR LICENSE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN SIGNED.
IT MAY BE THAT NEGOTIATIONS HAVE BROKEN OFF.
JEFFERSON WOULD BE WILLING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AGAIN IN A MONTH IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE.
UM, BUT THAT'S W WE DID FEEL LIKE IT.
WE WANTED TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR QUESTIONS.
AND IF FOR SOME REASON IT'S, UM, NOT FIGURED OUT BY NEXT MONTH, AND WE'RE IN THE SAME POSITION THAT WE WANT TO ASK FOR QUESTIONS, I'M SURE WE CAN PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA AND INVITE HER BACK.
UM, I WILL, I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE, THE ITEM, UH, THE FIRST IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE AND NOT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN IN IT FOR AS LONG AS I AM, I'M, I'M OLD BY, UH, BY AUSTIN, UH, ANIMAL, UH, ADVOCATE STANDARDS.
UM, BUT, UH, THE REASON THAT, UH, THERE IS A SHELTER, UH, STILL AT T LACK IS BECAUSE, UH, ON THE EVE OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE TO THE NEW FACILITY.
UM, A COUPLE OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MADE THE COMPROMISE, WHICH WAS THAT THE CITY WOULD MAINTAIN 10, LIKE ANIMAL CENTER HAS A, UM, ADOPTION FACILITY.
AND THAT, BECAUSE THE FEAR WAS, UM,
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THAT IF YOU PUT THE SHELTER, UH, IN A PLACE THAT'S REALLY CONFUSING TO GET TO, AND IT REMAINS THAT WAY, UM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE FEWER ADOPTIONS.UM, AND SO THEY, THE CITY DIRECTED CITY STAFF TO MAINTAIN, UM, THE, THE, THE T LACK AS AN ADOPTION CENTER, UM, AFTER TIME WENT BY, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT CITY STAFF WAS SIMPLY NOT GOING TO DO IT.
THEY JUST CHOSE NOT TO IMPLEMENT THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE.
AND SO, UM, WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE THEN WENT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAID, OKAY, WELL, IF THE CITY STAFF IS NOT GOING TO DO IT, THEN CAN YOU ASK THAT A NONPROFIT OPERATED AS, UH, AS AN ADOPTION CENTER.
AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT LED TO APA BEING THERE NOW.
UM, AND I THINK THE REASON THAT MATTERS IS BECAUSE MY, MY, MY FEAR IS THAT IF WE, IF, IF THE, IF THEY CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND AUSTIN PETS ALIVE, DOES WE, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS A VERY, VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE TAKING VERY SERIOUSLY AS A POSSIBILITY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PROBABILITY POSSIBILITY OR A PLAUSIBILITY, BUT IT'S A REAL, AND, UM, WHAT IS CLEAR TO ME FROM THE NON-ANSWERS EARLIER IS THAT AGAIN, WE'RE IN THE POSITION WHERE THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO, UH, GO ALL OUT AND OPERATING THAT AS AN ANIMAL SHELTER, AS A, AS AN ADOPTION CENTER, UM, SIX STAFF IS NOT GOING TO ADOPT OUT 2000 ANIMALS AND APA IS NOT GOING TO, UH, PULL ALL OF THE MEDICAL CASES AND HARD ONES THAT THEY PULL WITHOUT A FACILITY LIKE THAT.
UM, SO WE'VE PUT OURSELVES NOW IN A POSITION WHERE I THINK THAT, UH, NO KILL IS AT RISK, UM, THAT ARE, UH, THAT THE FUTURE OF WHAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER IS AT RISK, UM, THAT WE HAVE, UH, I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY WHO'S ON THIS CALL THAT, UH, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE, THE NO-KILL COMMUNITY AND THE SHELTER HAS DETERIORATED.
UM, AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SHELTER AND APA IS OBVIOUSLY DETERIORATED TO AN EXTENT WHERE IT'S, IT'S NOT A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP AND, UM, THAT'S GOING TO COME WITH IMMENSE, UH, IMPLICATIONS.
AND, UM, I, UH, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT NOT SAYING THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT, THAT THERE HAS, THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION PAST AND PRESENT WHO BELIEVED THAT IT'S THEIR JOB TO PICK AND POKE AT APA.
UM, AND, AND CLEARLY STAFF IN THE LAST SIX TO 12 MONTHS HAS BELIEVED THAT IT'S PART OF THEIR JOB TO PICK AND POKE AT APA.
BUT APA IS A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION.
THEY'RE INVOLUNTARILY SAVING THOUSANDS OF LIVES AT OUR SHELTER.
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE SAME PEOPLE DON'T PICK AND POKE IT.
EVERY OTHER ORGANIZATION THAT SAVES A LOT LESS AND THEY DON'T PICK AND POKE AT THE VOLUNTEERS AT THE ANIMAL CENTER, BUT YET THEY PICK AND POKE AT THE VOLUNTEERS AT APA.
AND THAT HAS, I THINK, UH, ENCOURAGED THE SHELTER TO TAKE A HARD LINE ON APA, TAKE A HARD LINE AND NEGOTIATIONS, AND TO SAY, WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE YOU WALK.
AND THAT WILL BE THE LEGACY OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE TAKING THAT STANCE.
AND THAT WILL BE THE LEGACY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LINING UP TO CRITICIZE APA.
THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO SAY IT, BUT I'M WILLING TO SAY IT.
THE SAME PEOPLE WERE ALL OVER TANI, HAMMOND WHEN SHE WAS HERE.
AND I TOLD THEM THEN, AND I WAS RIGHT.
THE LEGACY OF THAT GROUP IS GOING TO BE THAT WE GOT RID OF THE BEST ANIMAL SHELTER DIRECTOR IN THE COUNTRY.
AND I WAS RIGHT, AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE LEGACY THAT EVERYONE RISKS NOW.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S, WHAT IS AT STAKE.
I'M JUST SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
THIS IS JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE IT DEPARTMENT.
I WAS TOLD THAT IT SUPPORT WILL ACTUALLY CUT OFF FOR THIS MEETING AT NINE 30.
AND I WAS JUST ASKED TO MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT 12, 13 MINUTES FROM NOW, JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL WERE AWARE.
WELL, I THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UH, TELLING ME, I WISH THEY'D TOLD ME.
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AND I WAS TOLD SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BY, UH, ANOTHER OFFICE AND I CHECKED IT AND I WAS TOLD, SO, UH, APPARENTLY I'M SO SORRY.I HATE TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS.
I JUST GOT THE MESSAGE AND WAS ASKED TO SHARE IT.
AND I TRUST YOU AND I THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY BE DONE, BUT THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM COMMUNICATION.
AND LET ME JUST SAY THAT I HAVE NEVER WORKED FOR APA AND I ACTUALLY, UH, I'VE BEEN OUT OF THE SHELTER NUMBER OF TIMES, I'VE UNFORTUNATELY BEEN ABLE TO VOLUNTEER DOWN THERE BECAUSE, UH, WELL NOW THE 180 3 IS GETTING BETTER.
IT'S A LITTLE BETTER, BUT YOU KNOW, I, IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP NO KILL MY OPINION, WE NEED TO ALL GET ALONG.
WE NEED EVERYBODY IT'S I, THIS IS NOT A, NO, IT'S NOT JUST A NO KILL SHELTER.
AND WE ALL HAVE TO GET TOGETHER ON THIS.
WE ALL HAVE TO GET TOGETHER ON THE IDEAS THAT MAKE IT, THAT AND WORK TOGETHER.
SO ANYBODY ELSE'S, IT'S YOUR CHANCE? YOU GOT 15 MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES POWER.
ARE WE READY TO, UM, MAKE, UH, YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE TO GO? IF, IF, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ON THIS, UH, FOR B WE CAN GO STRAIGHT TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE THING.
JEFFERSON, UM, EARLIER, UM, THRUXTON BLAND STATED THAT IT WAS, UH, LIKE 12 JULY, THAT THERE WAS THE LAST COMMUNICATION FROM YOU GUYS.
IS THIS A LEGAL HOLDUP? THAT'S DELAYING THE RESPONSE.
UM, FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE, WE SENT TWO COMMUNICATIONS AFTER THAT, UH, THREE COMMUNICATIONS AFTER THAT, AND THAT WENT UNRESPONDED TO, WE, UM, HAVE BROUGHT NEGOTIATIONS, UM, TO THE TABLE OF WHAT WE NEED.
AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD NO ON EVERY SINGLE ITEM.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS A SOLUTION, BUT IT'S NOT AN EASY SOLUTION.
SO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, THE, THE STAFF, UH, PRESENTATIONS.
WE CAN WORRY ABOUT THAT COMING UP TO IT.
I THINK UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY SPECIFIC STAFF PRESENTATIONS THEY WANT, UM, OKAY.
[5. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]
BUSINESS, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THREE A, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THREE B, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THREE C UH, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THREE D UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE BACKUP FOR THREE E AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.AND, AND I JUST THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND COMMENT THAT'LL BE QUICK.
YOU SAID F WAS GOING TO BE THE SPACE WORKING GROUP WILL CONTINUE.
YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE SPACE WORKING GROUP.
AND THE NEW BUSINESS UPDATE DISCUSSION ABOUT, WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE CAN DROP FOR A, UM, CAUSE WE'VE TAKEN ACTION AND DONE OUR THING.
AND SO FOR B, UH, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP FOUR B WOULD BECOME OLD BUSINESS AT V3? G DO YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT ON THERE OR NOT? I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD, IF WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR ALAN JEFFERSON, FOUR WEEKS, FOUR B YES.
SO, AND THAT WILL BECOME THREE G.
SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY NEW ITEM, EVERYTHING.
WHAT'S YOUR NEW ITEM I'D LIKE TO, UM, PROPOSE THAT WE, UM, ADD THE ITEMS TO DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON AMENDING OUR BYLAWS TO ALLOW FOR THE FORMATION OF A COMMITTEE FOCUSED ON MAINTAINING NOKIA.
I WILL SECOND ADDING THAT ITEM TO THE AGENDA ON, ON MAKING A, WHAT WAS THAT DISCUSSED? ALLOW FOR THE FORMATION OF A COMMITTEE FOCUSED ON MAINTAINING, MAINTAINING NO KILL.
SO A COMMITTEE IS DIFFERENT THAN A WORK GROUP.
UH, BYLAWS HAVE TO BE AMENDED.
CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE COMMITTEES IN OUR BYLAWS.
AMENDING THE BOT WILL THEN ADJUST IS AMENDING THE BYLAWS TO ALLOW COMMITTEES.
NO, ACTUALLY I'D LIKE THE YES I WOULD.
SO MAKING ONE SPECIFIC COMMITTEE AMENDING THE BYLAWS TO MAKE ONE SPECIFIC COMMITTEE
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YEAH.DISCUSSING TYPE POSSIBLE ACTION ON AMENDING THE BYLAWS.
WELL FOR THE FORMATION OF A COMMITTEE FOCUSED ON MAINTAINING NO KILL.
SO THAT IS, WOULD BE FOR A, IT WOULD BE NEW BUSINESS.
AND AS WE'VE HAD TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT WANT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, SO IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
WELL, IF THERE'S NO MORE BUSINESS, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR, FOR COMPANY.
AND FOR SITTING THROUGH THIS MEETING, I THINK IT WAS A DIFFICULT MEETING, BUT A GOOD MEETING.
I THINK WE, WE GOT A LOT OF THINGS MOVING DOWN THE LINE AND WE THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD COMMISSION.
SO ANYWAY, I JOURN THE US ANIMAL VISOR COMMISSION ON AUGUST 9TH AT 9:23 PM.