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HARD BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT TO COVER AND I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO GET THROUGH IT ALL.

UM, I'M CRAIG

[CALL TO ORDER]

NAZER COMMISSION CHAIR CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:02 PM.

THIS IS THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING AUGUST 9TH, 2021 6:00 PM.

VIA TELECONFERENCING.

UH, SO NOW, UH, I'M GOING TO CALL THE ROLE OF MEMBERS.

GREG NASER IS HERE.

RYAN CLINTON IS HERE.

NANCY NAMER IS HERE.

UH, LISA MITCHELL HERE, KATIE YARROW, UH, PALMER NEW HOUSE HERE.

EDWARD FLORES IS NOT HERE.

DR.

JOHN BRANDIES IS NOT HERE.

MONICA FRIENDED HERE.

JOANNE NORTON YOLANDA RODRIGUEZ.

PACHECO IS NOT HERE.

LOUISE HEDERA IS HERE.

OKAY.

SO THE NEXT, UH, ITEM

[CITIZEN COMMUNICATION: GENERAL ]

IS REGISTERED SPEAKERS, UH, REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND WHAT HAPPENS TECHNOLOGICALLY IS AT THE END OF THREE MINUTES, YOU GET CUT OFF.

SO, UH, IT COULD BE A LITTLE ABRUPT.

SO IF YOU CAN TIME YOURSELF, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

SO YOU CAN WIND UP, UH, RIGHT AROUND THREE MINUTES.

SO THE FIRST SPEAKER IS CHRISTOPHER SUMMONS.

THAT WOULD BE ME.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, I WILL BE VERY BRIEF, UM, AS A FORMER VOLUNTEER OF AAC.

UM, I WANT TO JUST VOICED MY OPINION THAT I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP IS SUITED TO THE TASK AT HAND.

UH, JUST TWO CASES IN POINT THE, UH, ALLOWING FOR THE SITUATION TO BECOME SO OVERCROWDED, UH, THAT IS JUST BURSTING AT THE SEAMS. AND SECOND, I THINK, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT THE RECENT LEADERSHIP MEMO SUGGESTING, UH, THE MERE FACT THAT IT WAS EVEN SUGGESTED IN A NO-KILL CITY.

UH, IT JUST LEADS ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP IS NOT SUITED TO THIS ENVIRONMENT.

AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR EUTHANASIA FOR SPACE REASONS.

I MEAN, THIS IS THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVE A NO KILL POLICY IN PLACE FOR THE CITY IN THE FIRST PLACE, UH, WHICH JUST GOES TO PROVE MY POINT THAT THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP, UM, IS NOT SUITED TO THE TASK AT HAND AND SHOULD BE REPLACED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CHRISTOPHER.

UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER, BEVERLY LUNA FROM AUSTIN LOST AND FOUND PETS FOUR, STILL TELLING PEOPLE TO RELEASE, FOUND DOGS JUST TO LET THEM GO.

AND I KNOW AAC CLAIMS IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT, BUT AAC CONTROLS THEIR SCRIPTS AND CONTROL AND CAN CERTAINLY HAVE AN EFFECT ON THEIR TRAINING.

UM, THE, ALSO THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF TIME TO GET AN APPOINTMENT THESE DAYS, AND APPARENTLY FOR A STRAY IS SEVEN DAYS.

VERY FEW PEOPLE CAN HOLD A DOG THAT LONG.

THE BURDEN THAT AAC IS FORCING ON THE COMMUNITY IS UNACCEPTABLE.

FOUND DOGS THAT ARE CLEARLY OWNED OR BEING REHOMED OR SENT OFF TO RESCUES.

AND OTHER CITIES LIKE WITHIN DAYS, I MEAN, THEIR OWNERS HAVE NO CHANCE OF FINDING THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A SHELTER APPOINTMENT, QUICKLY DOGS, INCLUDING OLD DOGS ARE BEING RELEASED TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES IN THIS HEAT.

UM, HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THE TRANSPORT PROGRAM, TRANSPORT TO OTHER STATES AND JURISDICTIONS TAKES THESE DOGS TO CITIES OR JURISDICTIONS WHERE THEY MAY OR NOT BE AS SAFE AS THEY ARE IN AUSTIN.

IF THE NEW OWNER IS UNHAPPY WITH THEM, TRANSPORT IS GENERALLY USED BY SMALLER SHELTERS AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO EUTHANASIA.

THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE AT AAC.

WE ARE NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THESE OUT-OF-STATE RESCUES AS WE ARE WITH THE TEXAS RESCUES.

I HAVE DEALT WITH SEVERAL OF THESE OUT OF STATE RESCUES WHO HAD DOGS, FOSTER STEER, TWO OF THE THREE WERE UNAWARE THAT THEIR JOBS WERE TOTALLY MISSING FOR MONTHS.

UM, REPUTABLE, REPUTABLE, RESCUES USE TRANSPORT, ONLY TWO CONFIRMED ADOPTERS.

AND ONLY DURING SPECIFIC TIMES OF THE YEAR, THERE WOULD BE NO TRANSPORT FROM TEXAS THIS TIME OF YEAR DURING THE SUMMER.

UM, NO TRANSPORT UP NORTH DURING THE WORST OF THE WINTER IS AAC TRANSPORTING ALL YEAR LONG.

ALSO THE MOST REPUTABLE RESCUES ARE SENDING DOGS TO CONFIRMED ADOPTERS,

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NOT TO RESCUES AND PROBLEMS STILL ARISE.

THE BUS BREAKS DOWN DOGS, ESCAPE AND ARE MISSING FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME IS THE TRANSPORTER HAS TO GO ON WITHOUT THEM.

AND THESE DOGS ARE OFTEN NEVER FOUND TRANSPORTERS THAT YOU THOUGHT WERE RELIABLE, SUDDENLY BECOME EXTREMELY UNRELIABLE.

I PUT A GPS TRACKER ON MY FOSTER BOB THAT WAS HEADED TO AN ADOPTER IN THE NORTHEAST.

THE TRANSPORTER WAS SUPPOSED TO GO DIRECTLY TO DALLAS.

AND THEN UP FURTHER UP NORTH, THE TRANSPORTER TOOK A SIDE TRIP TO EUSTON WITHOUT TELLING THE RESCUE TO PICK UP EVEN MORE DOGS IN A VEHICLE ALREADY STAFFED WITH CRATES WITH ONE DOG ON TOP OF THE OTHER, THE BUS BROKE DOWN IN HOUSTON.

AND ALSO FOR FURTHER ALONG IN THE TRIP, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN TRYING TO CAPTURE DOGS LOST ON TRANSPORT THAT WERE LOST HERE IN AUSTIN.

AUSTIN IS NOT NEW TRANSPORT.

THEY ARE ALSO TAKING UP RESCUE SPACES THAT SHELTERS LIKE LOCKHART BACKDROP OR THE VALLEY NEED TO KEEP FROM EUTHANIZING DOGS.

AUSTIN'S A VERY WEALTHY CITY AND WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS SEARCH FACEBOOK FOR TRANSPORT HORROR STORIES.

IF YOU WOULD NOT LET YOUR OWN DOG GO ON THESE TRANSPORTS TO EVER READING THESE STORIES, YOU SHOULDN'T ALLOW AAC TO PUT AUSTIN DOGS ON THESE TRANSPORTS EITHER.

AND THEY'RE USING A HALF-TIME POSITION FOR THIS, THAT PHYSICIANS SHOULD BE REALLOCATED TO INTAKE OR TO FOSTER COORDINATION OR SOMETHING, BUT THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE REASON TO BE TRANSPORTING DOGS OUTSIDE OF THIS CITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

UH, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KATHY MITCHELL.

HI, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES.

I HAVEN'T BEEN VERY INTERESTED AND SADDENED BY ALL THE COMMENTARY BEFORE MINE.

UH, I AM SITTING HERE WITH MY KITCHEN, WITH MY VERY HAPPY DOG THAT WE ADOPTED FROM THE ANIMAL CENTER.

UH, AND I LOVE THE ANIMAL CENTER AND I WANT IT TO DO WELL, BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA.

UH, I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO NOTIFY YOU ALL ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF A NEW VALID INITIATIVE THAT WILL MAKE IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO FUND OUR EXISTING ANIMAL SERVICES.

UH, THE BALLOT INITIATIVE IS LIKELY TO GET ON THE BALLOT ON WEDNESDAY.

UH, IT WILL GET ON THE BALLOT AND ON WEDNESDAY, AND IT WILL REQUIRE THE CITY TO HIRE HUNDREDS OF POLICE OFFICERS REGARDLESS OF THE COST.

UM, MY AREA IN THE COMPLICATED WORLD IS, UH, POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

UM, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN FRONT OF PEOPLE LIKE JUDGE COHN AND OTHERS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I'M ON THE CURRENT POLICE ACADEMY REVIEW COMMISSION.

UH, AND I SPEND A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT POLICING AND WE ARE AT A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE REFUNDED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UNDER A MANDATE FROM HOUSE BILL 1900 FULLY IN FACT, MORE THAN REQUIRED.

AND THERE ARE CADETS COMING IN AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT INTERRUPTING THE CURRICULUM REFORM THAT IS MUCH NEEDED IN THIS TOWN.

ON TOP OF THAT.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO ADD HUNDREDS OF POLICE OFFICERS.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO PASS.

I HOPE IT DOESN'T PASS, BUT IT WILL IMPACT THINGS I CARE ABOUT.

YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WAS.

KEEP, KEEP GOING.

OKAY.

SORRY.

UM, ANYWAY, I THINK I'M FINISHED.

I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

TO KNOW THAT IT IS GOING TO IMPACT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO FUND THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, LIKE OUR ANIMAL SERVICES.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU, CATHY, FOR TALKING TO US ABOUT THAT.

UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PAT VOWELS TRAYS.

THANK YOU, CRAIG AND COMMISSIONERS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE WORK DONE BY THE SHELTER SPACE COMMITTEE AND THE MANY RECOMMENDATION.

HOWEVER, I AM OPPOSED TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SHELTER DIRECTOR TO RELEASE PETS, TO ADOPTERS WITHOUT THE PET BEING STERILIZED.

IF THE VETERINARY STAFF IS NOT ABLE TO STERILIZE A PET WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 96 HOURS, BUT I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.

IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.

THE IMPORTANT THING IS I AM OPPOSED TO THAT BEING A RECOMMENDATION.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE

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PROPOSALS SUCH AS IF THE VETERINARY STAFF CANNOT GET THE ANIMALS WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED STERILIZED WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER ADOPTION.

PLEASE SEND THE PET TO A VETERINARIAN WHO WILL STERILIZE THE PET AND USE THE DONATIONS FUNDS TO COVER THE COST.

SO DONATIONS FUND HAS A FUND BALANCE OF $325,000.

LET ME REPEAT THAT THE DONATIONS FUND HAS A FUN BALANCE OF $325,000.

THERE IS NO REASON THAT DONATIONS CAN NOT BE USED TO STERILIZE A PET INSTEAD OF US SENDING UP PET OUT IN PACKS.

A SIMILAR THOUGH SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT OPTION IS TO REQUIRE A REFUNDABLE STERILIZATION DEPOSIT OF A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH AMOUNT, SUCH AS A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO ENSURE THAT THE ADOPTER GETS THE PETS STERILIZED.

YET.

A THIRD OPTION IS A COMBINATION OF THESE TWO.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD REQUIRE A $100 STERILIZATION DEPOSIT, BUT LOWER IT.

IF THE PERSON ADOPTING IS LOW INCOME OR HAS A HARDSHIP REQUIRING A SUBSIDY, AND THEN YOU WOULD USE THE DONATIONS FUNDS TO PAY A VET TO SUBSIDIZE THE STERILIZATION.

IN OTHER WORDS, THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE CREATIVE OPTIONS INSTEAD OF SENDING A PET OUT IN TACK, THEN I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER ONE OF THESE OPTIONS.

IF I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL TIME, I WOULD URGE YOU TO PLEASE OPPOSE THE CUT OF A CRUELTY OFFICER.

UM, AS KATHY MITCHELL SAID, UH, THERE IS A MOVE RIGHT NOW TO RESTORE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS OR, OR TO FULLY FUND THEM.

AND YET WE ARE CUTTING ONE CRUELTY INVESTIGATOR THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

WE NEED AT LEAST TWO CRUELTY INVESTIGATORS, IF NOT MORE IN A CITY, THE SIZE OF AUSTIN.

AND PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE HOWEVER, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

THEY HAVE TO FUND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT NOT HAVE TO CRUELTY INVESTIGATORS.

I THINK I'VE USED UP MY TIME, SO I WILL STOP.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU, PAT.

UH, AND THE LAST SPEAKER, UH, TONIGHT IS RITA CROSS IS READ ACROSS HERE.

SURE.

I DON'T THINK SHE'S ON STILL.

EVERYONE'S ON MUTED AND I DON'T, THE NUMBER WENT DOWN FOR THEM.

I DO NOT SEE.

OKAY.

SO, WELL THEN WE'LL GO ON IF READ ACROSS IS NOT HERE.

SO, UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

THE MINUTES.

THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN EMAILED OUT AND THEY'RE POSTED, UH, ONLINE.

SO, UH, WHAT I WOULD, THESE ARE FOR OUR SPECIAL CALL MEETING, JULY 19TH.

THEY'RE RATHER SHORT.

UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SPECIALIST.

OKAY.

KATIE MOVES TO APPROVE.

DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND, A LOT OF SECONDS.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

UM, IS THERE ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY.

THEN THAT LOOKS TO BE UNANIMOUS FOR ME WHEN I COULD SEE.

OKAY.

SO THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

OKAY.

NOW WE COME TO STAFF BRIEFINGS.

UH, THE FIRST BRIEFING IS AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER AND ANIMAL SERVICES REPORTS,

[2a. Austin Animal Center and Animal Services Reports]

THE CONVENTION STATIONS.

UH, SO I'LL TRY TO BE REALLY BRIEFLY UP AND GET BACK TO THE AGENDA.

THE LIVE OUTCOME PERCENTAGE OF JULY WAS 96.6%.

WE HAD A TOTAL 1,336 ANIMALS BROUGHT TO THE SHELTER, UH, WHICH INCLUDED DOGS, CATS, WILD ANIMALS, AND SEVEN BIRDS.

UM, THE, WE ACTUALLY HAD A TOTAL OF 865 ANIMALS OVER ABOUT THIS.

THERE WERE 850 DOGS AND CATS WERE ABOUT THAT AND WE HAVE 15 FULL-TIME.

WE HAD 126,000 CATHETER RETURNED TO THE OWNER THAT IS THEIR RETURN 200 PROGRAM, OR THOSE THAT WERE RPO WITHOUT, UM, IN THE FIELD OF ANIMAL PROTECTION WAS ABLE TO TAKE 39 HOURS OR GET 39 HOURS BACK TO THEIR OWNERS.

UM, WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS ARE ABLE TO GIVE OUT 38, 15, UH, WE IMPOUNDED 180 900 ANIMALS AND DELIVERED 110, UH, WILDLIFE, AND ALSO OFTEN WILDLIFE SERVICES.

UM, OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS, WE HAD

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105 VOLUNTEERS DONATE 1,895 HOURS IN JULY.

WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO HAVE OUR, UH, FIRST ORIENTATION SESSION FOR THOSE WHO SIGNED UP, UM, YOU KNOW, 10TH OF PANDEMIC.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REALLY OFFER THAT.

SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS IN FIBER.

IT'S ACTUALLY BRINGING PEOPLE IN TO START THEM, GET THEM INTO THE PROCESS.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 1,205 APPROVED FOSTERS AND GILT PULSE.

UM, WE HAVE 374 ANIMALS IN FOSTER HOMES.

UH, THIS LAST MONTH WE HAD 250 ANIMALS THAT WERE TRANSFERRED TO 21 RESCUE PARTNERS.

UM, THE PRC WAS ABLE TO HAND OUT A LITTLE OVER 1900 ITEMS TO PEOPLE, PHYSICALLY FOOD, DEAD LEASHES, AND DEFERRED 19 DOGS WITH BEHAVIOR ISSUES.

WE HAD 159,000 REPORTS BEHIND 10 LOCKED DOWN WE'LL REPORT.

AND WE HAVE HAD 142 NEW SUBSCRIBERS.

LOTS OF SOUNDS.

IT'S THE X PROGRAMS. THAT'S ALL.

I'LL KICK IT OVER TO DON TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON,

[2b. COVID Update]

AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS MOVED TO STAGE FIVE NOW.

SO WE ARE ASKING ALL OF OUR STAFF AND VISITORS TO WEAR A MASK, UH, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BASKET NATION STATUS.

AND, UH, WE HAVE INCREASED OUR DISINFECTANT PROTOCOLS.

SO, UH, THE BUILDING STAFF IS HIS CLAIM OR OFTEN AND MISTING AND SANITIZING MORE OFTEN TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYONE AS SAFE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

UH, WE HAVE HAD SOME, UH, ISSUES WITH SOME STAFF WITH COVID THAT HAS LEFT THOSE SHORTHAND IN SOME AREAS, BUT, UM, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN, AND WE HAVE STILL GOT OUR DOORS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT THIS POINT.

UH, SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE FIRST STAGE FIVE AND THE FIRST STAGE FIVE, WE WERE MANDATED TO CURBSIDE HOME LATE, AND WE HAD NOT GOT THOSE DIRECTIONS YET.

SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD AS SAFE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JASON BEFORE WE MOVE TOO MUCH FURTHER ON, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE HAVE GOTTEN ANIMAL SERVICES REPORTS WITH DATA.

THAT'S BEEN, UM, LIKE, UM, IT'S IN THE SAME FORMAT MONTH TO MONTH, WHICH MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO COMPARE MONTHS TWO MONTHS.

AND WHAT'S GONE ON BEFORE AND PAST, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED RECENTLY.

WE'VE BEEN GETTING DATA IN DIFFERENT FORMATS.

IS, IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE SPREADSHEET? YES.

YEAH.

SO WE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON GETTING THOSE, THOSE APPROVED, UH, FEDERAL MANDATED REPORTS DONE WHEN COVID SORT OF DECREASED.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT IC SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE FROM APH.

CAUSE NOW THAT 80, NOW THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY IT HAS SORT OF RAMPED UP AGAIN.

WE'VE LOST THAT PERSON.

IT'S REALLY JUST ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

AND, AND THOSE REPORTS WERE ABOUT 90, 95% DONE.

SO WE WERE HOPING TO GET THOSE OUTFIELD.

THIS WAS JUST SORT OF MY INTERIM UNTIL WE GET, SO ARE THOSE CONSISTENT REPORTS TO TRY TO GIVE YOU ALL SOMETHING TO COMPARE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS ON, ON THE SPECIFIC MONTHS THAT YOU WERE REPORTING ON? AND SO IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE CRYSTAL REPORTS THAT Y'ALL USED TO GET.

WE WEREN'T DOING THOSE, BUT WHEN WE HAD HIM, WE'VE HAD, IT'S A LONG STORY, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHEN WE TRIED TO INSTALL NEW SOFTWARE WITHIN CHAMELEON, IS IT SORT OF MESSED UP OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR DATABASE.

AND SO THE REPORTS, WE WEREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT THE DATA WAS CORRECT.

AND SO WE WORK WITH HLP AND OUR, OUR STAFF TO TRY TO FIX THAT.

BUT THEN AGAIN, HE LOST BOTH TO COVID.

SO AS A MEANS TO TRY TO GET Y'ALL SOMETHING TO, TO LOOK AT, IF YOU HAVE A TANGIBLE IN YOUR HANDS, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER IN A MONTH.

SO I KNOW IT'S NOT CONSISTENT OR AT LEAST THE FORMAT WASN'T.

AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAD THE GRAPHS AND WHATNOT, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL THE RAW DATA IS WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO DO.

OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S A PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH REASON.

UH, I, MY POINT JUST BEING AS THAT, UH, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO TRACK.

ONE THING IS COYOTE REPORTS, WHICH I DIDN'T SEE, UH, THIS TIME, I JUST KIND OF LIKE TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT.

CAUSE I GET, YOU KNOW, BY A PEER BY WALNUT CREEK, METROPOLITAN PARK, I GET INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THE RABIES REPORTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE OVERSIGHT OF BY THE STATE.

SO, UH, IF YOU CAN INCLUDE THOSE IN THE FUTURE, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.

AND I THANK YOU FOR WORKING THROUGH THAT.

I'M KNOW IT'S NOT EASY, BUT THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

AND SARAH, WE HAVE JUST TIDBITS OF INFORMATION OR THE, THE HIGHLIGHT FOR THE INFORMATION IN THE ACTUAL SERVICES REPORT, BUT WHAT IT, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS A SPREADSHEET THAT WAS PROVIDED YOU ALL IN THE PAST, BECAUSE LIKE WE HAD, I DIDN'T GO OVER IT RIGHT NOW THIS TIME, BUT LIKE WE HAD THIS LAST MONTH, WE HAD 247 RABIA SOLDIERS REPORT AND SUBMITTED

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THAT SPECIMENS FOR RABIES TESTING.

WE HAD 30 TOTAL COYOTE RELATED ACTIVITIES.

IT'S IT'S IN THE NARRATIVE, BUT, UM, IT WAS THERE SOMETHING WHERE SUBSTANCE IN THAT YOU WANT THE DAD OR I CAN WORK WITH OUR WILDLIFE OFFICER, YOU'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT.

OKAY.

UM, MAYBE, YEAH, MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE THE NARRATIVE ON THE, I DOWNLOAD THE STUFF OFF THE WEB, BUT ANYWAY, WELL THAT, I THAT'S JUST WE'LL GO ON, BUT, BUT THOSE ARE JUST, JUST ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRACK.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION TOO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO PALMER'S NEXT.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ON JASON ON THE DATA.

WERE YOU ABLE TO GET ANY HELP HILL AND COULD THEY HELP WITH SOME OF THIS BACK DATA THAT IT'S STILL SAYING, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MATTER TO YOUR NEW SYSTEM, BUT MAYBE ON PROVIDING STUFF? YEAH.

IT'S CRITICAL TO WORK WITH THEM ON, ON TRYING TO BUILD OUT SOME OF THE REPORTS.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DID GET PULLED AWAY, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH HE'S BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH IT, UM, WITH THEM AS A FOLLOWUP AND TO GET A FINAL PRODUCT.

I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE PARTS WE WERE WORKING ON, LIKE WITH THE MATH STUFF.

BUT WHEN I, I CHECKED IT, THERE WAS STILL DATA MISSING.

AND SO YOU HAD TO GET BACK WITH THEM JUST TO, JUST TO SEE WHAT, WHAT DID IT OCCUR AT LEAST IN BUILDING THAT REPORT OUT.

UM, AND IS THIS YOUR, IS THIS THE CITY'S DATA PERSON OR OUR, WELL, OUR PERSON IS BILLING IT ON OUR SIDE.

HE'S CONSULTING WITH HLP ON, ON WHAT SPECIFIC HE'S ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO LEARN IT AS WELL.

THAT HE'S, THEY, THEY HAD SAID THEY COULD COME DOWN OR LOG ONTO THE SYSTEM.

HAVE WE TRIED TO TAKE THEM UP ON ANY OF THAT? AS FAR AS I KNOW YES.

THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON HOW TO BUILD BUILDERS REPORTS INTO LOGIN AS NEEDED.

UM, OKAY.

AND THEN ONE OTHER, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION IS, UM, WAS THE SHELTER WAS ADOPTIONS CLOSE TODAY? AND COULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT? UH, YES.

WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN, UH DOBSON'S THIS MORNING WE HAD A STAFF SHORTAGE, ESSENTIALLY, IF WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ADOPTION STAFF.

AND SO WE HAD TO, UH, MOVE PEOPLE AROUND AND CALL PEOPLE IN.

SO THAT WAY WE COULD PROCESS ADOPTIONS THAT WERE LEAVING THE PLANES AND ANY ADOPTIONS THAT, THAT WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE ABLE TO COME IN.

UM, WE WERE ABLE TO WALK A FEW OF THEM THROUGH, BUT OVERALL YES, WE HAD, WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY BACK AND SECRETARIES.

WE HAD TO PULL PEOPLE OFF AND TRY AND PROCESS AS WELL.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S, SO THAT'S UP HERE TO RESOLVE BY THE END OF THE DAY OR? YES, WE'RE HOPING SO, YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

DID LOTTA HAVE A QUESTION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

UH, JASON, WHAT IS THE SPECIES BREAKDOWN FOR LIVE RELEASE RATE, UH, IN THE FACT THAT SPREADSHEET? SO AT LEAST FOR NEONATES, WE HAD 88.8% FOR KITTENS.

WE WERE AT 96.9% ARE AT 93.3% NEONATE FOR DOGS.

83.3 PUPPIES ARE 99.1 AND DOGS ARE AT 98.4 AND MAY HAVE BEEN IN AN OUTCOME, UH, THAT SHOW LINDA SENT LATER THIS AFTERNOON.

SHE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE OUTCOME PARKER TO GO INTO THE WAS SENT OUT EVERY, THE ONLY THANK YOU.

WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE STAFF SHORTAGE THIS MORNING? WAS IT COVID OR WHAT, WHAT, UH, HOW DO I THINK I MIGHT LIVE HYBRID? I'M NOT SURE.

I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT CALLED IN AND SAID THAT, THAT WE REALLY CAN'T GO INTO MUCH, BUT YES, THEY, THEY, UM, YEAH, YOU JUST HAVE THEM NOT SHOW UP.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS RYAN.

I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS SOME SORT OF PROTEST OR STRIKE.

UM, IS THERE ANY ACCURACY TO THAT NOW? WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, KATIE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY, ONE MORE QUICK ONE.

JASON, WHAT WAS THE LIVE RELEASE RATE ON POPPY'S NAME? YOU WANT A PUPPY OR NEONATE FOR 83.3 AND PUPPIES WITH 99.4.

IF THESE WERE 1991 AND NEONATES WERE 88.

THREE.

YEAH.

WE HAD 12 NEONATES ALTOGETHER AND WE, AND WE HAVE THE EUTHANIZED.

SO WE WERE AT 83.3%, 83.1 FOR NEONATES KIP.

OH.

UH, HE EVEN MADE PITONS WITH 88.8 IN ADULTS.

SO NEONATES PUPPIES WERE 83.3.

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OKAY.

HOW MANY WERE YOU? OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WELL, LET'S GO ON THEN.

I GUESS WE'RE NOW UP TO UPDATE

[2c. Update on Austin Animal Center Rescue and Transport Program]

ON ANIMALS CENTER, RESCUE AND TRANSPORT PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S UP TO YOU, SARAH, DO YOU HAVE THIS BRACKET? UM, I SAID BELINDA SLIDES, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHARE THAT.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, I CAN SPEAK TO IT.

THAT'S FINE.

SO LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF.

THIS IS MY FIRST AND ADVISORY LIVE FIVE COMMISSION MEETINGS.

SO THAT'S EXCITING.

UH, I'M SARAH MURPHY, THE TRANSPORT COORDINATOR FOR THE AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER.

UM, MY BACKGROUND IS ACTUALLY IN SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT.

I WAS APPLIED TO YOUR DEGREE, UM, FIVE YEARS OF WORKING EXPERIENCE AND THAT OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY AND ANALYTICS, SALES, AND MARKETING, UM, AND ALSO A YEAR OF VOLUNTEER EXPERIENCE WITH A BIG, BIG, BIG, UH, RESCUE TRANSPORTER OUT OF HOUSTON.

AND YEAH, I'M EXCITED TO TELL YOU GUYS ABOUT OUR MOOD TRANSPORT PROCESS.

AND I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT SINCE WE'RE BUILDING THIS PROCESS FROM THE GROUND UP, IT'S, IT'S NEW, IT'S EVER EVOLVING, AND I HAVE LIKE A MENTALITY ABOUT IT TO CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE IT AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY ADDRESSING, ESPECIALLY THE SPACE PROBLEMS HERE AT THE AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER.

SO, UM, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE AAC, UM, BECAUSE TRANSPORT IS A MUCH MORE MATURE INDUSTRY THAN IT WAS A FEW, JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

UM, I'VE SPENT THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I STARTED HERE IN MAY, UH, REACHING OUT TO OVER 200 RESCUES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND, UM, RESEARCHING AND CONTACTING 60 ROUND TRANSPORTERS.

PRIMARILY THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE OF, UM, ABO TRANSPORTERS AS WELL THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO.

I HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT I ASK THEM.

I TRY TO GO THROUGH, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALIGNED WITH AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER'S MISSION, UM, FOR NO KILL AND KIND OF ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITS OF THE TRANSPORT PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LATE TO THE GAME.

A LOT OF THE PARTNERS THAT I'VE BEEN CONTACTING ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH TRANSPORTS AND THEY ALREADY RECEIVED THEM AND THEY TEND TO BE PRETTY PARTICULAR ABOUT THE DOGS THAT THEY WILL AGREE TO TAKE.

SO THERE'S A PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UM, BACK AND FORTH THERE AND THEY WILL ONLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE USUALLY NON-PROFITS SO THEY'RE USUALLY MUCH SMALLER THAN WE ARE.

SO THEY TEND TO KNOW WHAT THEIR LIMITATIONS ARE AND THEY ONLY WANT TO TAKE DOGS THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN GET ADOPTED AND THAT THEY KNOW THAT WON'T COME BACK AND THEY KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE FIVE OUTCOMES.

SO THE RISK OF SOMETHING HAPPENING TO TRANSPORT I THINK IS PRETTY, PRETTY NEGLIGIBLE.

AND IT OPENS UP A WHOLE NEW AVENUE FOR US TO MOVE DOGS OUT A LOT QUICKER.

AND SO WE CAN FOCUS OUR RESOURCES HERE, UM, ON OUR ONSITE POPULATION DOGS THAT UNFORTUNATELY MOST LIKELY WILL NOT HAVE AN OUTCOME AND THE TRANSPORT CHANNEL, UM, FOR MULTITUDE OF REASONS.

AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN BECAUSE, UM, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'VE SPOKEN TO MULTIPLE TRANSPORTERS AND, UM, RESCUE PARTNERS THAT HAVE ALSO CHATTED WITH CLAIRE CARLTON AND WORKED WITH HER, UM, AT AMERICAN PETS ALIVE.

SO I THINK I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND WE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED OUR FIRST TRANSPORT LAST, UM, FRIDAY, THEY, THEY WENT TO WISCONSIN, UH, LOVELY SHELTER IN WISCONSIN, EIGHT DOGS AND OF THE, OF THE EIGHT, THREE OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED.

UM, SO THAT'S AMAZING NEWS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL OF OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER TRANSPORT OF SEVEN DOGS, UM, GOING TO COLORADO THIS FRIDAY AND, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MORE THINGS IN THE WORKS, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE, WE'RE IMPROVING, LEARNING AND GETTING BETTER AT IT EVERY TIME.

UM, YEAH.

SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW? I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES.

GO AHEAD.

UH, WHAT CITIES IN WISCONSIN AND COLORADO, UM, THAT WAS GONE.

SOMEONE IS HAYWARD, WISCONSIN.

IT'S LIKE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND FORT COLLINS, COLORADO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HI, WELCOME TO YOUR FIRST ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING.

UM, DO WE CON DOES AAC CURRENTLY HAVE A CHALLENGE ADOPTING THE DOGS THAT YOU DESCRIBED OUT QUICKLY OR TRANSFERRING THEM TO LOCAL PARTNERS? UH, YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DOGS HERE.

UM, VERY OFTEN THERE'S PERFECTLY ADOPTABLE DOGS

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THAT OFTEN GET OVERLOOKED HERE IN THE SHOW.

UM, AND I DO, I CREATED, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT MAYBE, UM, THIS DOGGY DATABASE THAT I SHARE WITH HERS AND I TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO LOOK AT SOME OF OUR LONGER STAY DOGS.

I HIGHLIGHT LIKE A LIST OF DOGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR TRANSPORT.

MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE FOR WEEKS IF NOT MONTHS, BUT THEY'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, SOLID TEMPERAMENTS, GOOD WITH PEOPLE, UM, BUT TEND TO BE OVERLOOKED BY OUR SHELTER.

SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THESE RELATIONSHIPS HAVE TO BUILD OVER TIME AND ONCE THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH PROCEEDING DOGS FROM US AND KNOW THAT IF I RECOMMEND A DOG, UM, THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN TRUST THAT THEY CAN MOVE IT.

THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY FIND AN ADOPTER FOR IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SENSE IN ME SENDING A DOG FROM OUR SHELTER TO JUST SIT IN THEIR SHELTER, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WHOLE TRANSPARENCY THAT I'M TRYING TO BUILD WITH MY PARTNERS.

AND I I'M, I'M HOPING OVER TIME WE CAN ONE SEND MORE DOGS, UM, TWO FEWER PARTNERS SO THAT THEY CAN KIND OF CONCENTRATE THEIR POLES, UM, FROM US AND THEN TO TRY TO MOVE SOME OF OUR LONGER STATE DOGS AND OUR MORE FULLY AGREED, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS SEASONAL THINGS, OVERLAYING IT, LOTS OF RESCUE PARTNERS, UM, ARE PRETTY FULL FROM THE SUMMER, STILL, EVEN UP NORTH.

SO I'M HOPING TOWARDS THE FALL, IT'LL, IT'LL START PICKING UP AND WE CAN START MOVING SOME MORE.

COOL.

SO THEY WENT TO HAYWARD AND FORT BEN, COLORADO FORT COLLINS, FORT COLLINS.

ALSO, WE HAD A 96.6% LIBRARY LEASE RATE LAST MONTH.

WHAT WERE THE LIVE RELEASE RATES FOR HAYWARD AND FORT COLLINS? I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN ASK THEM.

OKAY, COOL.

THANK YOU.

GREAT.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

YEAH, GO AHEAD, RYAN.

UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE, I MEAN, I I'VE, I'VE NOT BEEN, I'VE NOT HIDDEN MY BELIEFS THAT I THINK THIS IS, UH, UH, A TERRIBLE PUBLIC POLICY DECISION, BUT, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IT IS, UM, INTAKE PER CAPITA, THAT THERE'S SOME, UM, ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN DONE.

THAT'S DETERMINED THAT THESE OTHER CITIES THAT WE'RE SHIPPING OUR ANIMALS TO HAVE A HIGHER INTAKE OR A LOWER INTAKE PER CAPITA THAN WE DO.

SO I WAS WONDERING IF, UH, WHAT IS THE INTAKE PER CAPITA OF HAYWARD AND FORT COLLINS AS COMPARED TO AUSTIN? UM, SO I DIDN'T LOOK ON THE CITY LEVEL ON WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING PARTNERS, UM, WHERE I REALLY STARTED WAS, UM, THE AMERICAN PETS ALIVE FACEBOOK GROUP ALL ACTUALLY HAS LIKE A LIST OF SHELTERS THAT ARE RECEIVING, UM, THAT ARE RECEIVING TRANSPORTS FROM OUT OF STATE.

SO IT TAKES FROM OUT OF STATE.

UM, I LOOKED AT THE BEST FRIEND'S WEBSITE.

I RESEARCHED LIKE IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES TO FIND SHELTERS SPECIFICALLY.

UM, I WAS ALSO LOOKING AT SHELTERS WHO WERE LIKE IN THE GEOGRAPHIES THAT MY TRANSPORTER SHIP TO, WHICH TENDS TO BE COLORADO, THE MIDWEST, UM, AND THE EAST COAST.

SO IT HADN'T BEEN LIKE THAT TYPE OF FOCUSED, UM, RESEARCH.

IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SPRAY AND PRAY, AND I TRUST THAT IF THEY'RE RESPONDING TO ME AND THEY WANT TO TAKE IN DOGS, THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL RESPOND BACK.

AND OFTENTIMES THEY WILL SAY, HEY, THANKS.

BUT NO DAYS WE'RE FULL RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S FINE TOO.

SO I'M JUST, JUST TO BE SURE, JUST TO CONFIRM THERE'S BEEN NO ANALYSIS DONE OF, UM, THE PET POPULATION, STATISTICS OF THE CITIES THAT WE'RE SENDING ANIMALS TO AS COMPARED TO TRAVIS COUNTY.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ALTOGETHER NECESSARY BECAUSE I MEAN, HEURISTICALLY, WE KNOW THAT THE SOUTH IS OVERPOPULATED IN NORTHERN STATES TEND TO HAVE LESS POPULATIONS, SO, RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO I'VE ACTUALLY DONE A LOT OF ANALYSIS ON THIS STATISTICAL ANALYSIS.

SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, RATHER THAN JUST ASSUMING THAT THESE COMMUNITIES ARE, UH, UNDERPOPULATED AND THAT WE'RE OVERPOPULATED AS ANY ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE TO, UH, ANALYZE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE COMMUNITIES, I'M HAPPY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT ANALYSIS.

AND MAYBE WE CAN FOCUS OUR EFFORTS IN UNDERPOPULATED AREAS.

OKAY.

AND, AND, AND AGAIN, NO, NO ANALYSIS WAS DONE.

WHETHER THE, TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE OPEN ADMISSION ANIMAL SHELTERS THERE ARE KILLING MORE OR FEWER ANIMALS THAN OURS FROM A PERCENTAGE BASIS.

UM, I MEAN THE GOAL WAS TO FIND RESCUE PARTNERS WHO COULD RECEIVE ANIMALS.

AND LIKE I SAID, THROUGH OUR PROCESS, IT'S PRETTY SLOW AND DELIBERATE.

AND THEREFORE, I DON'T THINK OUR ANIMALS ARE AT RISK, RIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE ANIMALS THAT WE'RE SENDING THAT ARE AT RISK.

IF THERE'S, IF WE'RE EVER SENDING ANIMALS TO A COMMUNITY THAT HAS A HIGHER KILL RATE THAN OURS, THEN WE'RE DISPLACING ANIMALS THAT THAT WOULD HA WOULD, MIGHT HAVE BEEN SAVED.

BUT FOR THE FACT THAT WE'RE SENDING HOURS THERE.

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UM, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF, IF WE, IT DOESN'T JUST MATTER.

IF WE FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL ACCEPT THEM, IT MATTERS FROM A, FROM A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE, HOW THE ANIMALS ARE TREATED THERE.

WE CERTAIN MANY YEARS AGO, WE TRIED TO SHIP 50 OF OUR DOGS AND CATS TO HOUSTON, WHICH HAD, UH, TO THE HOUSTON SPCA, WHICH HAD A, SOMETHING LIKE AN 80 SOMETHING PERCENT KILL RATE AT THE TIME.

UM, SO, UH, THAT WAS NOT SMART AND, UH, AND ENDED UP BEING STOPPED.

AND SO MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT, UH, IF WE'RE CAREFUL, WE COULD ACTUALLY END UP DOING FAR MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

UH, AND IN THE PROCESS SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT TO, UM, SAY THE ANIMALS IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE A, AN EXTREMELY LOW INTAKE PER CAPITA RIGHT NOW IN TRAVIS COUNTY.

WE HAVE WHAT, SIX OR 8,000 ANIMALS IN HERE AND, UM, ARE ON PAYS FOUR AND 2 MILLION PEOPLE.

UM, THAT'S AMONG THE LOWEST INTAKE PER CAPITA.

I WOULD IMAGINE IF ANY LARGE CITY IN THE COUNTRY, MUCH LESS, UM, ONE THAT'S ALREADY SAVING 90, ROUGHLY 97% OF THE ANIMALS NOW, UM, IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT ON YOU.

AND I, AND I'M SORRY TO, TO, TO BRING IT DOWN ON YOU.

IT IS, YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DOING IT VERY WELL.

UM, BUT FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS IN MY OPINION AND DREADFUL IDEA AND RESOURCES, AND WE'LL GET TO IT LATER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SPACE CRUNCH.

BUT, UM, BY HOLDING ANIMALS THAT ARE HIGHLY ADOPTABLE AND PUTTING HOLDS ON THEM, WE'RE ALSO CREATING THE SPACE CRUNCH THAT WE'RE THEN USING TO JUSTIFY EUTHANIZING.

AND THAT'S JUST A WRETCHED PUBLIC POLICY DECISIONS, BUT I'LL MOVE ON.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUICK UP QUESTION.

WHAT KIND OF CONTRACT DO WE HAVE FOR THESE AUTO STATE RESCUES TO ENSURE THAT ONCE THE ANIMAL GETS THERE, UM, HE OR SHE IS SAFE AND NOT EUTHANIZED FOR LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, SOME SURPRISE, WHOOPS.

IT'S RINGWORM OR WHOOPS.

IT REALLY DOES HAVE HEART OR WHAT KIND OF CONTRACT WE HAVE THAT, THAT, UM, ENSURES THAT THAT ANIMAL IS SAFE.

AND WHAT KIND OF OUTCOME METRICS ARE YOU TRACKING ON THE ANIMALS THAT ARE SENT ON THEIR, ON THEIR OUTCOMES AND FINAL DISPOSITION? WHERE ARE YOU BREASTFEEDING PARTNER? ANYBODY WITH ANY BREASTFEED? THERE'S NO SPECIAL CONTRACT AT ALL? NO.

ARE WE TRACKING THEIR FINAL DISPOSITIONS OR OUTCOMES IN ANY WAY? THERE'S BEEN EIGHT DOGS SENT OUT.

THREE OF THEM ARE ADOPTED OVER THE, YEAH.

OKAY.

SO WE ARE TRACKING THAT.

YES.

YES.

AND IT'S BEING REPORTED THUSLY AND CHAMELEON AS TRANSFER.

OUT-STATE RIGHT.

THEY'RE BEING TRANSFERRED.

THEY'RE BEING RECORDED IN CHAMELEON THAT THEY'RE BEING TRANSFERRED OUT OF STATE, BUT THEIR FINAL OUTCOME THAT IS BEING RECORDED, WHETHER THEY WERE ADOPTED OR RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO RAMP THIS UP.

I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE, BUT THAT'S WHY THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF MAKE SURE, MAKING SURE TO WORK, PLACING THEM AT PARTNERS WHERE WE CAN FEEL CONFIDENT IN THEIR OUTCOME DECISIONS.

THAT'S THE STANDARD CONTRACT THAT ALL RESCUE PARTNERS GET TO CONFIRM.

WE ARE NOT IN ANY WAY TRACKING WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE ANIMALS ONCE THEY LEAVE OFFICIALLY.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR FACEBOOK GROUP, THAT'S THE OUTCOME.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING US AN OVERVIEW OF IT.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON IF WE'RE USING AGREEMENT, I HAVEN'T SEEN A RECENT COPY.

SO ISN'T THERE SOMETHING IN THERE REGARDING PROVIDING MEDICAL CARE FOR THE ANIMALS.

SHOULD IT BE NEEDED? JASON, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT ON THIS ONE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE WAY THE BURDEN SENT TO Y'ALL WAS BY OUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

AND, UM, AS FAR AS YES, THEY WOULD, ONCE THEY, ONCE THEY TAKE OWNERSHIP, THE ANIMAL THERE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL MEDICAL CARE, ANYTHING REGARDING TO THIS POSITION AND HOW TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR, ANY LOCAL STATE LAWS WITH THE CARE AND DISPOSITION OF THE ANIMAL.

WELL, WHAT, AND I GUESS THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION IS I, AFTER LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION ON THE SHELTER THAT WAS TRANSFERRED TO ON THEIR WEBSITE, THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR EUTHANASIA RATE IS USUALLY LESS THAN 4%, BUT THEY SAY IT ONLY TAKES PLACE IN CASES OF AGGRESSION, TERMINAL

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ILLNESS, AND AN ILLNESS THAT THREATENS THE HEALTH OF OTHER SHELTER, ANIMALS, FOR EXAMPLE, PARVO OR BEHAVIORAL ISSUE THAT MAKES AN ANIMAL AND ADOPT UNADOPTABLE.

HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY SPECIFICS REGARDING THAT? AND, UH, CONTAGIOUS, THAT COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE URI, PARVO, DISTEMPER, RINGWORM ARE ALL OF THOSE CONSIDERED TO BE YOUTH AND ILLNESSES THAT THE ANIMAL COULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR.

NO DOGS GO ON TRANSPORT THAT HAVE COMMUNICABLE DISEASES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

UM, AND WE HAVEN'T SENT YOUNG ENOUGH DOGS, I THINK, TO BE LIKE PARVO, DISTEMPER RISKS.

UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION, BUT THEY COULD CATCH IT THERE, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TRANSPORTED, BUT THEY COULD CATCH IT THERE.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY WOULDN'T? NO, BECAUSE MOST OF THE SHELTERS WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MEDICAL CARE ONCE THEY RECEIVE IT.

THAT'S WHY IT'S BENEFICIAL BECAUSE TYPICALLY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN VETTING CAPABILITIES OR LOCAL EVENTS, BUT IT SAYS THIS ON THEIR WEBSITE.

OKAY.

UM, I DON'T, I DOUBT THEY WOULD EUTHANIZE FOR A CURABLE DISEASE, BUT I CAN PASS THEM.

BUT THIS IS KIND OF LIKE WHAT I WAS DESCRIBING BEFORE, WHERE WE DO GO INTO PRETTY EXPLICIT BEFORE THE DOGS ARE EVEN TAGGED AND MADE UNAVAILABLE.

UM, AND THEY LOOKED THROUGH THEIR HEALTH RECORDS.

THEY WILL PROVE THE RED PAGE, YOUR RECORDS I'LL SEND THEM VIDEOS.

THEY CAN SEE PICTURES AND THEY SELECT THE DOGS THAT THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN GET ADOPTED.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO KNOWINGLY ACCEPT THE DOG THAT THEY THINK THAT I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE HEALTH OF THE ANIMAL WHEN THEY ACCEPT IT.

WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT IF THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE HEALTH OF THE ANIMAL ONCE IT ARRIVES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OR IF IT BECOMES WHAT THEY CALL BEHAVIORAL ISSUE THAT MAKES IT UNADOPTABLE, IS IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES AND THINGS THAT WE'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE SENDING ANIMALS TO, UM, A PLACE THAT HAD A SIMILAR, UH, POLICY AND OUTLOOK ON EUTHANASIA AS AUSTIN.

SO I PULLED UP MY DOCUMENT WHERE I SPOKE TO THE NORTHWOODS ANIMAL OR HUMANE SOCIETY ORIGINALLY.

UM, I ASKED THEM TO DESCRIBE THEIR, YOU NEED FOR EUTHANASIA POLICY.

AND THEY SAID THAT THEY ONLY EUTHANIZED IN EVENTS OF VERY AGGRESSIVE ANIMALS.

THAT WOULD BE A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC.

AND THOSE ARE NOT DOGS THAT WE WOULD EVER SEND ON TRANSPORT BECAUSE OF FEAR OF THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE ON THE TRANSPORT.

SO THAT'S PART OF IT.

AND I, YOU KNOW, HEALTH WISE, I MEAN, THESE ARE NONPROFIT RAISED SOCIETIES, USUALLY PRETTY MUCH ON BOARD WITH TRYING TO HAVE AS MANY LIVE OUTCOMES.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE VERY UNIQUE IN THAT SENSE.

I THINK THIS IS, I APPRECIATE THAT THIS WAS INFORMATION I GOT FROM THEIR WEBSITE, WHICH RATES.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

LET ME MAKE A COMMENT.

YEAH, LOUISE, GO AHEAD, KATIE.

I WANT TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE AND TEAM FROM THE AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER TO DO.

WE SHOULD TAKE TO DO THESE TRANSPORTS.

I CAN SEE IN A LOT OF SHELTERS AROUND THIS COUNTRY HAVE HUGE, HUGE TRANSPORTS.

I CAN SEE HOUSTON COULD HAVE A LOT OF TRANSPORTS AND I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSPORT.

IT LOOKS NICE FOR THE CONCRETE ELEMENTS AND, UH, FROM BREASTFEED PARTNERS, CENTER, BEGINNING TO CLIMB IS HOW TO SOLVE THESE, UH, FROM RESCUE PARTNERS LIKE TRANSPORTS BECAUSE THAT NUMBER IS LIKE 7.6 ANIMALS PER WEEK.

DURING ONE YEAR LOOKS LIKE ALMOST MY PREMISE HIGH PERCENT OF THE PETS.

I DON'T KNOW.

AND MOST OF THEM HAVE BULK HISTORY IN TRANSPORTS BECAUSE I CAN TRANSFER SEATS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BIG INDIES.

I KNOW THAT ALL THE PROGRAMS, THE BEGINNING IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT, BUT, UH, I THINK CAN BE A PERFECT, UH, MOVE FROM THE AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER.

UM, SO

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THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, BUT PLANNING TO TRANSPORT BECAUSE RESCUE PARTNERS IS POOL FOR A CARD WITH ANIMALS.

AND IF YOU TRANSPORT 7.6 PER WEEK, IT'S ALMOST THESE 400 ANIMALS PER YEAR.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC NUMBER YET OF ANIMALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO SINCE THEY'RE SO NEW.

UM, I DO SEE THE POTENTIAL TO GROW.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE TRANSPORTED OUR FIRST EIGHT LAST WEEK.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TRANSPORTING SEVEN THIS WEEK.

MY HOPE IS THAT DEFINITELY RAMPS UP, ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE S THE LINKER SEASON OR COLDER BUNKS COME AROUND.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ACTUAL BIG CONSTRAINTS ON THE PROGRAM IS LIKE PHYSICAL TRANSPORT OR CAPACITY BECAUSE THEIR SERVICES ARE SO IN DEMAND.

UM, AND IN TERMS OF LIKE TAKING DOGS OUT THAT ARE MORE OF OUR LONG ISN'T OUR BEHAVIOR CASES.

UM, THIS WEEK, WE ACTUALLY ARE SENDING OUT PRIM, WHO HAS BEEN AT OUR SHELTER FOR 375 DAYS.

UM, A COUPLE OF, MOST OF THE DOGS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR LONGER THAN TWO WEEKS BEFORE, UM, AND ALMOST A MONTH, WHICH IS MUCH SOONER THAN I ACTUALLY TRANSPORT OR SORRY.

WE TAG THEM FOR TRANSPORT.

UM, FIVE OF THEM RIGHT NOW ARE IN FOSTER, AND MY GOAL IS TO BUILD UP THE SHORT-TERM FOSTER NETWORK.

SO WE ARE ALLEVIATING SHELTER SPACE MUCH MORE QUICKLY.

AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS NUMEROUS BENEFITS OF KEEPING THE ANIMAL HEALTHY, HELPING IMPROVE ITS BEHAVIORS BEFORE TRANSPORT.

UM, AND THAT FOSTER NETWORK WILL REALLY BE CRITICAL TO THIS PROCESS.

I THINK IN THE LONGER RUN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO PLACE OUR MORE LONG STAY DOGS THAT TEND TO HAVE MORE SHELTER, STRESS, AND THEREFORE BEHAVIORS.

BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THAT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE A RELATIONSHIP THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT BETWEEN US AND THE RECEDING PARTNERS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN STILL FEEL CONFIDENT, EVEN THOUGH THIS DOG HAS SOME BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS THAT THEY CAN MANAGE THE PROBLEMS AND IT IS GOING TO HAVE A LIVE OUTCOME.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL PERIOD.

END OF STORY.

UM, BUT YES, I WILL TRY TO FOCUS ON LONG STAYS.

I CONSISTENTLY DO.

I CONSISTENTLY RECOMMEND BULLY BREEDS TO THESE SHELTERS.

UM, BUT I DO HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF WHAT THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN ADOPT OUT, WHICH IS JUST REALISTIC.

YOU WOULDN'T INTAKE THAT WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T IMPORT DOGS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WE COULD GET ADOPTED OUT, NOT THAT WE WOULD EVER NEED TO, BUT IT'S JUST, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND, AND ALMOST SOLD.

YOU ARE DOING THIS ALREADY.

AMERICAN PIPE HAVE A VERY NICE AND NEAT LOGISTIC TRANSPORTING 90 MONTHS.

I KNOW THE SHELTER FROM THE RADAR, AND I THINK THEY TRANSPORT 70 ANIMALS TWO TIMES IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, UH, MAY BE A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE CONTACT WITH BEES, WITH THESE, UH, DIRECTOR ON AND JUST CROSSING FORMATION FOR THE WELLBEING OF ALL THE, ALL THE PETS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WATER WHEN CLAIRE CALLISON AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES.

AND, UM, I REACHED OUT TO HER IN THE PAST, LIKE TWO WEEKS OR SO TO TRY TO MAYBE FOR MORE OF A COLLABORATION, UM, NO RESPONSES YET, BUT THAT'S, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY TOO.

UM, TODAY I SPOKE WITH THE SPCA TRANSPORT PROGRAM MANAGER, AND THAT'S ALSO, UH, AN OUTFIT THAT WE'RE PURSUING.

SO, LIKE I SAID, LIKE, I AM, I'M SUPER OPEN TO THINKING ABOUT THIS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS WITH THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF IT BEING SAFE, LIFE OUTCOMES FOR, FOR OUR DOGS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT BREAKS MY HEART THAT THEY'RE SITTING UP HERE, KATIE.

I DO, I'LL MAKE IT REALLY QUICK.

THANKS FOR ANSWERING ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.

UM, THE MAIN QUESTION IS, CAN YOU SEND US THE CENSUS OF THE ANIMALS THAT ARE BEING TRANSPORTED, UM, BOTH ON THE FIRST TRANSPORT AND THE UPCOMING TRANSPORT.

AND THEN MY SECOND PART TO THAT QUESTION IS, DOES THAT CENSUS INCLUDE LENGTH OF STAY FOR EACH OF THOSE ANIMALS, UM, AT THE SHELTER? UM, YES, I CAN INCLUDE LENGTH OF STAY.

OKAY, AWESOME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY.

LET'S GET NANCY, UH, OR NO, UH, IS JOANNE AND THEN A LOT IS NEXT JOANNE AND THE LOT.

AND THEN WE'LL GO TO RYAN.

SARAH, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TREMENDOUS HARD WORK.

I KNOW IT'S A LOT, I'M THRILLED ABOUT PRIM.

UM, SHE'S

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ONE OF THOSE ADOPTABLE DOGS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND AS AN ADOPTED.

UM, AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE GETTING SHORT-TERM FOSTER AS I WAS GOING TO PICK UP HOPING TO GET A DOC ONE OF THEM TOMORROW.

AND I CHECKED TODAY AND IT'S ALREADY IN FOSTER, SO, UM, THAT'S GREAT.

UM, I JUST WANT TO JUST THROW OUT, UM, WHATEVER VOLUNTEERS CAN DO TO, UM, HELP YOU, UM, ESPECIALLY MAKE VIDEOS OF THE LONG STAYS, UM, THAT THEY WELL, UM, PLEASE REACH OUT TO THEM AND, UH, UH, POST ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE THE GOPRO, I'VE DONE SOME FOR THE LONG STAYS, BUT, UM, ANYTHING WE COULD DO WITH PHOTOS OR, UM, THE VOLUNTEERS CAN DO IT PHOTOS OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING JUST PLEASE KEEP IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.

CAUSE THEY'RE DEFINITELY WILLING TO HELP YOU MAKE THIS A SUCCESS.

THANKS, JOANNE.

AT LEAST SOME OF THE ONES I KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY A COUPLE OF DAYS OUT NOW, BUT IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN PICKING UP THIS D POTENTIALLY FOR SHORT TERM FOSTER, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HER? UH, NO, BUT I'LL CHECK ON HER.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T THINK SHE'LL FIT IN MY HOUSEHOLD, BUT I'LL CHECK.

OKAY.

UM, IF NOT, I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE, SO I'LL, WE'LL TAKE THE PHONE LINE.

UM, YEAH, BECAUSE I'LL LET YOU KNOW, JOANNE, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR DOG WALKERS TO GET MORE VIDEOS REPORTED.

THEN THAT TENDS TO BE LIKE A BIGGER SELLING POINT TO, UM, A RESCUE PARTNER THEN LIKE ONE PICTURE ALONE OR JUST THE NOTES OF CHAMELEON.

SO YES, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY FROM THE REPORT AND I AM TRYING TO PUT A PLEA OUT ON OUR FACEBOOK FOR SHORT-TERM FOSTERS TO SIGN UP, BUT WE NEED TO FIX OUR, OR CHANGE OUR APPLICATION FIRST.

AND THEN I'M TRYING TO BRING THAT CAPACITY INTO LIKE FORT ROLL SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF CLOSE THE LOOP ON SHORT-TERM FOSTERS AND GET IT LIKE FOR ONE STRAIGHT LINE.

OKAY.

YES.

THANK YOU.

HI SARAH.

UM, LOT OF SMUGGLER HERE.

UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

ONE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THESE DOGS ARE, I GUESS TH THE DELAY IN THE DOG BEING TAGGED TO GO TO RESCUE AND IT LEAVING THE SHELTER.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON CONDENSING? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, TO ME, THAT IS NOT HELPING THE SPACE CRISIS.

WHEN YOU HAVE AN ADOPTABLE DOGS AND IT'S UNAVAILABLE AT THE SHELTER AWAITING TRANSPORT, THAT'S TWO WEEKS AWAY.

IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT DOG COULD HAVE BEEN ADOPTED IN THOSE TWO WEEKS IN THAT SHELTER TURNED OVER FOR ANOTHER DOG IN NEED.

SO ARE YOU WORKING ON SOMETHING TO CONDENSE THAT TIME BETWEEN IDENTIFICATION OF THE DOG TO BE TRANSPORTED AND THE ACTUAL TRANSPORT DATE YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD? A LOT OF THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE GOAL, UM, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY REALIZE IT'S HELPING NO ONE TO HAVE THE DOCKABLE DOGS SITTING HERE FOR LONGER THAN THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

UM, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS, TWO MAIN THINGS THAT I'M DOING TO FOCUS ON THAT.

AND THAT'S TO TRY TO WORK WITH A TRANSPORTER, HOPEFULLY THE ASP CA GROUP WHO CAN HELP HAVE A MORE CONSISTENT SCHEDULE FOR LIKE WHEN OUR TRANSPORTS ACTUALLY LEAVE.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S REALLY HARD TO HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT FACTORS AND LIKE MUCH SPACE.

THE TRI-QUARTER HAS WHAT LOCATION THEY'RE GOING TO, HOW MANY DOGS CAN THEY RECEIVE? THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT MISSING PIECES.

SO IT'S VERY HARD TO DO IT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT LIKE ONCE WE HAVE A BIT MORE MOMENTUM WITH LIKE OUR RESCUE PARTNERS AND OUR TRANSPORTER, THAT WE CAN NARROW THAT DOWN TO LIKE DEFINITELY LESS, DEFINITELY TWO WEEKS OR LESS.

UM, AND IDEALLY EVEN SHORTER THAN THAT, AND THEN HAVING THEM A HUNDRED PERCENT PLACED IN SHORT-TERM FOSTER, SO THAT WE'RE FREEING UP THAT SPACE IMMEDIATELY.

THE DOG GETS TO DECOMPRESS.

AND A LOT OF SHELTERS ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE IF THE FOSTER OR SORRY, IF THE DOG IS IN A FOSTER FOR ABOUT A WEEK, BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE A QUARANTINE PERIOD.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE DOG GETS A LITTLE BIT LESS STRESSED.

THEY CAN GET SOME BETTER NOTES AND THEY'RE JUST, EVERYBODY LOVES FOSTERING.

SO, UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR SHORT-TERM FOSTERS FOR ESPECIALLY YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE, UM, LESS FLEXIBILITY OR ANYBODY REALLY, UM, WHO JUST WANTS A SHORTER TERM COMMITMENT.

SO I THINK WE CAN BUILD UP THAT CAPACITY PRETTY WELL.

OKAY.

AND THEN MY, MY, UM, SECOND AND FINAL QUESTION ON THIS IS, UM, IS, IS SOMETHING BEING PUT INTO THE TRANSPORT PROGRAM PROCEDURE.

UM, THAT'S GOING TO IDENTIFY WHAT YOU WILL OR WILL NOT DO IN A SPACE CRY IF THAT, IF THERE'S ANOTHER SPACE CRISIS AGAIN, MEANING, UM, IF AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER IS IN A SPACE CRISIS, ARE YOU GOING TO PAUSE A TRANSPORT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HOLDING

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AVAILABLE ANIMALS IN KENNELS AS ARE UNAVAILABLE BECAUSE THEIR TRANSPORT IS, YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS, HOWEVER MANY DAYS AWAY.

SO IS THERE SOMETHING BEING CONSIDERED FOR THAT IN YOUR PROGRAM? UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.

UM, BUT YEAH, LIKE I SAID, JUST BECAUSE THIS PROCESS IS SO NEW, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY IT PROBABLY DOESN'T CAUSE OR CONTRIBUTE TO THE SPACE CRISIS.

I WOULDN'T SAY CAUSED BUT CONTRIBUTE.

UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT.

YEAH.

AND I, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB FROM, FROM NOTHING TO WHERE WE'RE ALREADY AT A, SHE'S ALREADY OUT WITH THIS IT'S UM, IT'S PHENOMENAL.

SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

THANK YOU.

YOU BEEN A LOT OF PARTY.

YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

YEAH, I COMMENT IN THE QUESTION.

THE FIRST THING IS THAT IT, WASN'T HARD TO FIND OUT THE NUMBERS, UM, WHICH I DID WHILE WE WERE PULLING WHILE WE WERE ON THE CALL.

UM, LARIMER COUNTY, UH, APPEARS TO TAKE IN ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT WE DO AND HAS A POPULATION OF ABOUT, UH, A QUARTER OF, UH, TRAVIS COUNTY'S POPULATION OF QUARTER TO A THIRD.

UM, SO AT BEST THEY HAVE THREE TIMES THE QUOTE OVERPOPULATION OR, UM, PERCENTAGE OF ANIMALS PER CAPITA NUMBER OF ANIMALS PER CAPITA THAN WE DO.

UH, I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND THE SAME NUMBER FOR, UM, FOR THE WISCONSIN SHELTER, BUT THE LERMA COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY, WHICH IS, I ASSUME THE SHELTER THAT WE SENT THE ANIMALS TO HAS A, UH, 85 REPORTS IN 85% SAVE RATE IN 2020, WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE SENDING DOGS FROM A 96%, SAY 97%.

IT'S NOT WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

THEY'RE GOING TO ANIMAL FRIENDS ALLIANCE IN FORT COLLINS, COLORADO.

OKAY.

WELL, THE LYRIC CLERMONT COUNTY HUMANE IS, IS, IS THE, I GUESS, BIGGEST SHELTER IN FORT COLLINS.

AND THAT'S, UM, THAT'S THE NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE REPORTING.

SO AT LEAST THE QUOTE UNQUOTE OPEN ADMISSION SHELTER AND THIS IN THE COMMUNITY, IT HAS AN 85%, UH, SAVE RATE, UM, WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY LOWER THAN OURS OBVIOUSLY, AND WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED NO-KILL UNDER ANY NATIONAL STANDARD.

UM, THOUGH IT WAS THE, I LOOKED UP NORTHWOODS.

IS THAT THE SHELTER IN WISCONSIN? YES.

YEAH.

THEY STAYED ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT THEY, THAT THEY, THAT MOST YEARS THEY HAVE UNDER A 4%, UH, YOUTH RATE, ASSUMING THAT'S A ACCURATE REFLECTION OF ALL ANIMALS.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW AT, AT BEST.

AND ON, IN MOST YEARS WORSE THAN WE ARE, UM, THAT THAT GENERALLY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NO-KILL SHELTER, UM, AND NATIONAL STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY ARE OVER, YOU KNOW, 90, 90, 90 5%, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING AS WELL AS WE ARE.

UM, IT'S JUST SEEMS INSANE TO ME THAT WE'RE SENDING ANIMALS TO COMMUNITIES WITH LOWER SAVE RATES THAN OURS.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.

IT'S HORRIBLE PUBLIC POLICY.

MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE PAYING, UH, TO TRANSPORT THE ANIMALS AND HAVE WE OFFERED THESE SAME ANIMALS TO OUR LOCAL RESCUES FOR MONEY IF WE'RE DOING SO FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, YES.

WE'RE PAYING FOR THE PHYSICAL TRANSPORT.

NO, WE HAVE NOT OFFERED MONEY TO LOCAL SHELTERS.

HOW MUCH PER, UH, ANIMAL ARE WE PAYING FOR THE TRANSPORT? THIS IS JUST INSANE.

THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING TO IMAGINE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, EVERY MAJOR CITY IN TEXAS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DALLAS, DOES IT FORT WORTH, DOES IT, SAN ANTONIO, ALL THE MAJOR CITIES THAT HAVE TRANSPORT IN THEIR WHEELHOUSE OF LIFESAVING AND YOU KNOW, PART OF THEIR NO-KILL EQUATION.

SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY HAS DONE WELL, HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE.

AND I WAS INVOLVED IN OUR EFFORTS AND ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS TOO.

AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY ARE USING IT AS A STOP GAP MEASURE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE POLICIES IN PLACE LIKE WE DO TO HELP TO HAVE A 95% SAVE RATE.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ANIMALS OUT THE DOOR, ESPECIALLY HOUSTON, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT KILLING THEM IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES.

UH, THAT IS A WAY TO PREVENT THE ANIMALS FROM BEING KILLED.

THESE ANIMALS ARE NOT AT RISK OF DEATH IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE, IF NOT THE BIGGEST OF THE TOP FIVE, PROBABLY TALKED TO A SHELTER BUDGETS IN THE COUNTRY FOR A MUNICIPAL SHELTER.

WE HAVE A FRACTION OF OUR HISTORIC INTAKE, A TINY FRACTION OF OUR HISTORIC INTAKE AND THE LARGEST BUDGET WE'VE EVER HAD.

AND THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THAT.

THEY HAVE MUCH

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LARGER INTAKES THAN WE DO.

SO, UH, YEAH, THEY DO SHIP ANIMALS OUT AS FAST AS THEY CAN BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE THERE IS TO KILL THEM.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS SHIPPING ANIMALS OUT TO COMMUNITIES THAT DO KILL MORE ANIMALS THAN WE DO.

I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, I CAN'T GET THEM ADOPTED HERE.

AND I'LL JUST USE THIS QUOTE THAT, UH, I'VE HEARD MANY, MANY TIMES, WHICH IS IF SOMEBODY TELLS YOU THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING, BELIEVE THEM.

I WANT TO JUMP IN JUST FOR A REALLY QUICK SECOND AND SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE COMMISSION IS A WORD THAT YOU WERE DOING.

YOU'RE NEW TO THIS POSITION.

YOU WERE DOING YOUR JOB AS INSTRUCTED.

AND I VIEW THIS PERSONALLY AS A POLICY OF LEADERSHIP AT AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER.

UM, AND APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT PERHAPS LEADERSHIP SHOULD BE.

THANK YOU, UH, NAN, UM, JOANNE, UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT OUR LOCAL RESCUE PARTNERS GET REPORTS DAILY TO SHOW HOW FULL THE SHELTER IS? A C IS OUR, UM, THE NEGATIVE KENNELS WE HAVE AND THEY CAN, FROM THOSE REPORTS, TRY TO HELP US BY COMING IN AND PULLING ANIMALS.

YEAH.

JULIA AND REBECCA MONTE.

YES.

MA'AM YOU ARE CORRECT.

THERE IS A REPORT THAT GOES OUT DAILY TO A RESCUE PARTNER TO HAVE OPTED IN, TO GAIN THAT REPORTS, THAT SHOW THE SPACE COUNT AND THE ANIMALS THAT ARE ON THERE.

AND, AND IT'S TRUE THAT WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING RESCUE PARTNERS WHO ARE, UM, ARE ALSO FULL TO PULL ANIMALS LOCALLY.

AND IN FACT, ON ANOTHER HANDOUT FROM AAC, IT LOOKS LIKE IN JULY, 2019 TRANSFERS WERE 6 53 IN JULY AND LAST YEAR ARE, AND THIS YEAR THERE ARE TWO 70.

SO OUR LOCAL, OUR LOCAL SHELTERS ARE NOT STEPPING UP.

I ARE NOT ABLE TO HELP US, CORRECT? YES MA'AM.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THE ANIMALS OUT BEFORE THEY'RE SITTING IN THE SHELTER AND START TO HAVE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AND SEND THEM TO PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT THEM SCANNED.

AND WE'RE ALSO SENDING THEM TO SHELTERS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID THESE TWO WHO ARE, HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED BY AMERICAN PETS ALIVE AND BY BEST FRIENDS.

UM, EITHER ONE OF THOSE, I'VE DONE VARIOUS TYPES OF RESEARCH, BUT I HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHERE THEY CAME ACROSS THEM.

UM, BUT I TEND TO JUST BELIEVE THEM WHEN THEY THINK THEY CAN TAKE DOGS.

AND WHEN THEY TELL ME THEY GET 10 PLUS APPLICATIONS ON DOGS AND PEOPLE KNOCKING DOWN THEIR DOORS, THAT'S GOING TO BE A QUICKER PATH TO A HOME THEN THAT HERE, WHEN, WHEN WE DON'T SEE THAT MUCH DEMAND, WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE THREE OF THEM WERE ALREADY ADOPTED INCLUDING ONE WHO WAS A WONDERFUL, A WONDERFUL HOUNDY DOG, WHO I WALKED FOR TWO WEEKS AT A, A, AT AAC WHO HAD A PRIME LOBBY KENNEL, AND