* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] CORUM PRESENT. I NOW CALL THIS MEETING [Call to Order] OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER IT IS 6 0 2 ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 17TH. AND FIRST I'M GOING TO TAKE ROLE AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE COMMISSIONER ACOSTA IS HERE. OH, THERE HE IS. COMMISSIONER KOSTA. I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. UM, I'M HERE COMMISSIONER BRAY. ISN'T IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER DINKLER UNMUTE IS WORKING ON IT. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO ON TO COMMISSIONER GREENBERG HERE AND COMMISSIONER KING HERE. I'M GOING TO SKIP KIELBASA COMMISSIONER RAY. YEAH, COMMISSIONER SMITH, THOMPSON, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER WOODY SAID THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO BE HERE TODAY. UM, AND I SEE COMMISSIONER CLOSE HAS JOINED US. DO YOU WANT TO TEST YOUR AUDIO PRESENTING? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO REMIND YOU GUYS TO, LET'S SEE IF FOR THE PARTICIPANTS ON THE PHONE, PLEASE SELECT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. AND IF YOUR ITEM IS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION, WE DO NOT HAVE TO REMAIN ON THE LINE. YOU WILL RECEIVE AN EMAIL WHEN WE ARE ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM TAKING UP THE ITEM. UM, IS THERE, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS COMMUNICATION, ANDREW? OKAY. [Consent Agenda] SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE WILL REVIEW THE AGENDA AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I WILL READ EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM AND IDENTIFY THOSE THAT ARE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FOR CONSENT APPROVAL, WHICH INCLUDE CONSENT POSTPONEMENTS AND NON-DISCUSSION ITEMS. UM, SO FIRST IS A ONE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 3RD. DOES ANY COMMITTEE DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE CORRECTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER KING. THANK YOU, CHAIR. IT'S A MINOR CORRECTION ON, UH, ITEM FIVE, B FIVE. UH, THE, UH, VOTE WAS, UH, EIGHT TO TWO WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH AND RE UH, VOTING A, THE ONLY THING IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TWO INSTEAD OF ZERO. IT SHOWS EIGHT TO ZERO. IT SHOULD SHOW EIGHT TO TWO. THAT'S IT? JUST THAT MINOR CHANGE. AM I CORRECT? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, SO NOW B WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND SO FIRST WE HAVE B ONE, WHICH IS C 14, 20 21 0 0 9 4 FOX HOLLOW AND MULTIFAMILY. AND THAT ONE IS UP FOR DISCUSSION B TWO IS C 14 20 21 0 1 0 0 LUBY SITE. UH, ALSO UP FOR DISCUSSION B THREE IS C 14 20 21 0 0 4 0. AND IT SOUNDED LIKE COMMISSIONER DINKER DINKLER WOULD LIKE TO PULL B3. YES. FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE IS C 14, 20 21 HOLT CAT SITE IMPROVEMENTS. I DO WANT TO NOTE ANDREW, IT SEEMED AS THOUGH IN THE BACKUP, THERE WAS A LETTER FOR THE WRONG CASE. THE OPPOSITION SEEMED TO BE IN REGARDS TO B ONE. I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT BRANT ROAD AND WHILE THE HOLT CAT SITE IS NEAR A BRANDT ROAD, IT'S NOT THE SAME CASE. UM, MOVING ON B FIVE, C 14, 20 21 0. OH, SORRY. THAT ONE IS UP FOR CONSENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE B FIVE IS C 14 20 21 0 1 0 7, PARKSIDE APARTMENTS. THAT'S ALSO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SIX IS C 14 20 21 0 0 9 0 6 20 HILL COUNTY HILL COUNTRY CENTER. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS ONE SPEAKER THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND OTHERWISE ALL OTHER ISSUES. UM, WE WOULD BE INCLUDING THE CONDITIONS AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A OF OUR BACKUP. AND SO WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANT THE PERSON TO SPEAK NOW, OR IF WE'D LIKE TO HEAR IT AFTER, UM, THE OTHER ISSUES, THE OTHER, UH, ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION. YES. COMMISSIONER KING. YES. CHAIR. IS THAT, IS THAT ITEM B SEVEN? NO, WE'RE ON B SIX, B SIX. OKAY. THAT'S THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD THEN BE ON CONSENT X. IT WILL. IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. IS THAT, UH, COULD YOU, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? I, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD. UM, AND MAYBE I'M HAVE IT WRONG. ANDREW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO, UM, HELP ME FILL IN THE BLANKS, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE COULD, UM, THAT IT'S OTHERWISE UP FOR CONSENT, EXCEPT FOR ONE SPEAKER THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. IS THAT CORRECT? [00:05:01] SO IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE COMMISSION, BUT WHAT YOU COULD DO IS IF THERE IS NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, YOU CAN NOTE THE CONDITIONS PER THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ADD THOSE TO THE RECOMMENDATION. AND YOU CAN ADD THIS TIME HERE FROM THE INDIVIDUAL IN OPPOSITION AND THAT THE ITEM COULD REMAIN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. SO, SO CHAIR, MAY I JUST CLARIFY, I, COULD WE GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE SPEAKER NOW? AND THEN IF WE WANT MORE THAN PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION THAT'S RIGHT. OH, WE CAN DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, THAT WAY WE COULD DECIDE TO KEEP IT ON CONCERN. IF, IF ALL OF OUR CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED. YES. CAN I SHARE GREENBERG AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR THAT THE MEU IS BEING REMOVED FROM WHICH TREK TRAPPED. OKAY. BOTH, BOTH TRACKS SOUNDING VERY COMPLICATED. MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT. YEAH. WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT IT IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE? OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. SO MOVING ON TO 20 21 0 0 1 2 RECENT RESEARCH OF REZONING THERE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REQUESTING A POSTPONEMENT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 7TH, B EIGHT IS C 14 20 21 0 1 1 4 12 1 8 3 WINDY RIDGE ROAD. AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BEF UH, B NINE IS C 14 20 21 0 0 9 2 REZONING OF 1901 WEST WILLIAM KEVIN DRIVE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, B 10 IS A SITE PLAN. ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCE ONLY IS SP 20 20 0 2 2 3 DIAZ NORRIS BOOK, DOC ON CONSENT. AND THEN B 11. SO FINAL PLOT OF AN APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN, C H J 20 17 0 2 7 7 0.1 A BARTON CREEK'S SECTIONS, K L N O UH, PHASE ONE FINAL PLAT. AND IT'S ON CONSENT DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS AS EXHIBITED IN EXHIBIT E. SO FOR REVIEW, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS, UM, B FOUR B FIVE B SEVEN THROUGH 11. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE STATE, THE CONSENT AGENDA. MAY I JUST CLARIFY THAT ITEM ITEM 10 IS ON CONSENT RECOMMENDED WITH CONDITIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INCLUDED. THANK YOU. YES. AND B SEVEN AS A POSTPONEMENT. THAT'S RIGHT. I SURE DIDN'T CLEAR. YOU'RE ON MUTE WAS THE APPLICANT'S AGENT. OKAY. WITH THAT RESPOND MUCH ON SEVEN CHECK MICHELINS ON HANOVER. YES, EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER RAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL AS THE MINUTES OR SECOND. UH, I SAW DINGLER FIRST. SO, UM, SECOND, IF THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED WITH A CORRECTION, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THE APPROVED MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTIONS THAT LOOKS UNANIMOUS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE WE GO. WE'RE MOVING [B.1. Zoning: C14-2021-0094 - Fox Hollow Multifamily; District 5] ON TO B ONE. OH, IF THERE'S ANYONE ON THE PHONE, WE DIDN'T DO THIS. UM, I HOPE THERE'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SPEAKERS. CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE IN OPPOSITION TO, SO LET'S JUST KEEP MOVING ON. OKAY. SO WE'RE ON TO BE ONE AND WE WILL HEAR THE STAFF. YEAH. MS. ROSE, ARE YOU THERE? HELLO, THIS IS AM. AND D THIS IS WENDY RHODES. UM, I'M SORRY. I WAS ON MUTE. I DID. IT'S THAT? UH, THIS IS WENDY ROSE CASE MANAGER WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS CASE NUMBER C 14 20 21 0 0 94, KNOWN AS FOX HOLLOW MULTIFAMILY. THIS IS A 13.92 ACRE TRACK LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRANT ROAD. IT'S A TWO LANE ROADWAY EAST OF 35 AND ABOUT SIX TENTHS OF A MILE SOUTH OF SLAUGHTER LANE. THIS PROPERTY SLOPES TOWARDS SLAUGHTER CREEK AND GENERALLY FOLLOWS E WHICH GENERALLY FOLLOWS THE WEST PROPERTY LINE. IT HAS SEVERAL GROUPINGS OF TREES AS WELL AS, [00:10:01] UM, BUT IS OTHERWISE UNDEVELOPED EXCEPT FOR A BARN. UH, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ZONED IN RURAL RESIDENTS SINCE ITS ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY LIMITS IN DECEMBER OF 2003, UH, FOR THERE IS A TXDOT OFFICE AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY, AS WELL AS THE CHURCH AND THE CROSSING AT ONION CREEK, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH TO THE EAST IS COUNTY LAND UNDEVELOPED THERE TO THE SOUTH IS THE PARKSIDE AT SPOTTER CREEK, SINGLE FAMILIES OF DIVISION. AND THEN THERE ARE COMMERCIAL USES AT BRANDT AND 35. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ZONE THE PROPERTY TO THE MULTIFAMILY FOUR, WHICH IS MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE, MODERATE HIGH MF, FOUR DISTRICTS MAYBE DEVELOP APPROXIMATELY 200 APARTMENT UNITS. AND THE, THE APPLICANT IS AMENABLE TO A 50 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT ON THE PROPERTY. I HAVE ATTACHED A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN SHOWING THAT THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE LOCATED ON A 10 ACRE DEVELOPABLE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, ADJACENT TO THE LAND IN TRAVIS COUNTY. UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS THAT'S MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY. AND OUR RATIONALE FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS, WE BELIEVE THIS PROPERTY IS SUITABLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND F TWO WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS THAT I MENTIONED. UH, THERE ARE COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD SERVE THE RESIDENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF AGE 35 AND BRENT ROAD, AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTERS ACROSS AGE 35 TO THE WEST, LIKE SOUTH PARK MEADOWS, AND AS WELL, THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, UH, MEMO THAT WAS COMPLETED FOR IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ZONING CASE THAT RECOMMENDS RECONSTRUCTING BRANT ROAD TO URBAN STANDARDS ALONG THE PROPERTY FRONTAGE. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR MF . I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAD A FEW MEETINGS WITH, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. I'M SURE THEY WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT. AND, UH, THAT, AND AS WELL, THERE WAS A COUNCIL RESOLUTION ADOPTED ON JULY THE 29TH, UH, RELATED TO THE ALLOCATION OF HOUSING TAX CREDITS AND PRIVATE ACTIVITY BONDS. AND THAT'S ALL ATTACHED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MS. RHODES. AND NOW, UM, ANDREW WILL HELP US WITH THE SPEAKER IT'S ORGANIZED THAN I AM. SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE APPLICANT, MR. DRE, SECURA YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES SELECT STAR SIX. MY NAME IS JASON GRIS, CIVIL ENGINEER WITH DUNAWAY ASSOCIATES. I'M REPRESENTING THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT TONIGHT. THE PRESENTATION WAS QUITE THOROUGH. MY COMMENTS WILL BE BRIEF. UH, THE RESIDENTS OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE. HOWEVER, THOSE PROBLEMS ARE EXISTING PROBLEMS THAT HAVE SOLUTIONS BEYOND WHAT A SINGLE PROJECT CAN ADDRESS. UH, THE CASE BEFORE YOU IS SIMPLY FOR LANDINGS AND THE PROJECTS MITIGATION FOR TRAFFIC INCREASE ON GRANT ROAD WILL BE WORKED OUT WITH THE STAFF AT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT STAGE, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER DETAILS REQUIRED FOR CODE COMPLIANCE, UH, ZONING BEING SOUGHT AS IN BEFORE, JUST TO GET THE 50 FOOT HEIGHT FOR ONE OF THE BUILDINGS IN ORDER TO GET AS MANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AS POSSIBLE. UH, SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT IS PUSHED TO THE NORTH CORNER AND SPACE IS LIMITED, UH, TONIGHT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR MYSELF AND OTHER STAFF FROM DUNAWAY THAT'S WEATHER, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPER. AND WITH THAT, I'LL END MY REMARKS AND I'LL WAIT YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MRS. TOGETHER. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. JAKE BROWN. SO LIKE START A SIX. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? OKAY. PROCEED JAKE BROWN I'M WITH LDG DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY. UM, MS. RHODES GAVE HIM A PRETTY THOROUGH PRESENTATION, SO ON OUR APPLICATION. SO I WON'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT JUST KIND OF IN, IN RECAP, IN SUMMARY, WE'RE PROPOSING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT TO ACTUALLY A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN. UH, THIS ROAD'S DETAILED AT THE RESOLUTION AND NO OBJECTION FOR THE TAX CREDIT FINANCING WAS APPROVED BY THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 29TH, A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE ARE IN FACT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM IRR TO MF FOUR. AND REALLY THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT IS JUST KIND OF A FUNCTION OF REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHTS. AND WE HAVE IN FACT HAD THREE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH THE PARKSIDE AT SLAUGHTER CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD. I BELIEVE AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE MEETINGS, UH, ALSO HAD PARTICIPANTS FROM THE CROSSING AND ONION CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE'VE ALSO ACTUALLY HAD ONE COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE, UH, PERKIN VALLEY COMMUNITY. SO I'M AVAILABLE. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT THERE MAY HAVE. UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. . NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM JOHN NOEL SELECT STAR SIX. YOU'LL HAVE THREE [00:15:01] MINUTES. OKAY. WE'LL HEAR FROM MIKE MALONE. MR. MALONE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES SELECT STAR SIX. YES. THIS IS MIKE MALONE. UM, UM, UH, THE DONE IT WITH DUNAWAY. UH, I'M UH, ONE OF THE ENGINEERS THAT WAS WORKING ON THE PROJECT, UH, MY STATEMENT WILL BE VERY BRIEF. UH, I'M MAINLY, UH, HANDLING THE DRAINAGE AND THE FLOODPLAIN FOR THIS SITE, UH, WITH IT BEING DEVELOPED AND THE SITE WILL BE DEVELOPED SUCH THAT WE WILL NOT BE IMPACTING THE FLOOD PLAIN. UM, NEITHER THE TRIP NOR ONION CREEK. UM, THE FLOODPLAIN THAT YOU SEE THAT IS SHOWN ON ME CAUSE IN THE PACKAGE IS ACTUALLY BACKWATER EFFECT FROM ONION CREEK. UM, AND THAT IS, UH, EFFECTIVELY WHAT IS GOING ON. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE WILL BE BUILDING EVERYTHING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TWENTY-FIVE SEVEN DRAINAGE CODE FROM THE LDC, UM, AS WELL AS ANY OTHER, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CODES THAT WE WILL HAVE TO BUILD TO COMPLIANCE. AND THAT IS IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MR. . OKAY. MOVING ON TO MYTH, SUZANNE SHORTENER, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS SUZANNE SCHWERTNER AND I'M WITH AUSTIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CORPORATION, WHICH IS THE REAL ESTATE ARM OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN. OUR MISSION IS TO PRESERVE AND INCREASE THE STOCK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES. IN AUSTIN. TODAY, WE HAVE PRESERVED AND CONSTRUCTED A PORTFOLIO OF 11,500 UNITS IN THE 2017 AUSTIN STRATEGIC HOUSING BLUEPRINT ADOPTED BY THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT AN ADDITIONAL 60,000 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS NEEDED BY THE YEAR 2025, TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH IN AUSTIN. THE BLUEPRINT ALSO STATED THAT 25% OF THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT ARE CREATED OR PRESERVED SHOULD HAVE TWO OR MORE BEDROOMS AND A SYSTEM TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. WE BELIEVE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH LDG DEVELOPMENT ON THE FOX HOLLOWS PROJECT, BOTH FURTHERS HOKAS MISSION AND THE STRATEGIC HOUSING BLUEPRINT GOALS, LDG AND HACA ARE BOTH LONG-TERM OWNERS OF OUR PROPERTIES. WE ACCEPT SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS AND ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES IN A CITY WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE LANDLORDS DO NOT. AND WE HAVE SEEN THE VOUCHER HOLDERS HAVE THE GREATEST NEED FOR TWO, THREE, AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS. ALSO IN THE PAST WHEN FAMILIES OUTGREW A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT, THEIR NEXT STEP WAS HOMEOWNERSHIP. THE REALITY IN AUSTIN, TEXAS TODAY IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF RENTERS CANNOT AFFORD THIS NEXT STEP TO HOME OWNERSHIP, WHICH THEN CREATES THE DEMAND FOR THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS AS SUBMITTED FOX HOLLOW IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ADD 203 AFFORDABLE UNITS WITH 156 TO THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS WITH AMENITIES AND RESOURCES THAT WILL SERVE FAMILIES. WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL APPROVE THIS STONING REQUEST SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO A DEMOGRAPHIC IN GREAT NEED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. ONE WE'LL HEAR FROM THE OPPOSITION BEGINNING WITH MR. JOHN, I CAN MR. IKE AND YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES SELECT STAR SIX AND AND BEAR WITH ME JUST ONE SECOND. WE'RE LOADING YOUR PRESENTATION. CAN YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN THE PRESENTATION IS FULL SCREEN BEFORE MY TIME BEGINS, MR. ARKIN, PLEASE PROCEED. HELLO, MY NAME IS JOHN IKE AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE PARKSIDE AT SLAUGHTER CREEK HOA. I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF ABOUT HOW THIS IS THE RIGHT CAUSE, BUT THE WRONG LOCATION. NEXT TO SLIDE TWO, PLEASE. THERE'S AN EXHIBIT OF LVGS SITE PLAN AND THE ZONING INFORMATION FOR TODAY, WHICH HAS NO MENTION ABOUT WAS 14. WE REQUESTED A SITE PLAN TO SHOW ATLAS 14 FROM THE DEVELOPER, WHICH THEY SHARED ON JULY 22ND ABOVE LEFT IN BLACK AND WHITE CIRCLED IN RED IS THE TINY MENTION ABOUT WAS 14 LG WITHHELD. THIS SITE PLAN THAT MENTIONED THAT WAS 14 FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN. THE DIAGRAM TO THE RIGHT ABOVE IS THE OVERLAY I CREATED PROPERLY DEPICTING THE FLOOD PLAN WITH AN ENTIRE FOUR-STORY BUILDING AND PARKING LOT. ANY 100 YEAR KEVIN SCHUNK WITH WATERSHED. CONFIRM THIS NEXT TO SLIDE THREE, CONFIRMING WITH WATERSHED. [00:20:01] IF THAT 500 YEARS TO BE THE 100 YEAR, YOU CAN SEE THAT AN ENTIRE BUILDING AND PARKING STRUCTURE. ISN'T IT REFERRING TO MY OVERLAY? THAT'S TRUE. KEVIN SHRUNK CONFIRMED WITH DIVISION MANAGER WITH WATERSHED ASKING LDG. KEVIN SAID IT WAS 100 YEAR. SO ARE YOU DISAGREEING WITH THE WATERSHED DIRECTOR? I'M DISAGREEING, NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE WATERSHED DIRECTOR. I'M ONLY STATING BASED ON WHAT PDH CA REQUIREMENTS ARE BASED ON NEXT TO SLIDE FOUR, WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY SAVVY ENGINEERS. HONESTLY, LG HAS REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE FLOOD PLAN GOING SO FAR AS TO DISAGREE WITH THE WATERSHED DIVISION MANAGER. LDG IS PLAYING A DANGEROUS GAME WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES AND HOMES. IN FACT, DURING SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE FLOOD PLAIN LTG CAN BE HEARD LAUGHING ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN SUBJECT MATTER. THIS IS INEXCUSABLE AT LEFT OR 26 HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN, WE DO NOT NEED A REPEAT OF THE ONION CREEK BUYOUTS. NEXT TO SLIDE FIVE. THIS AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL CREATED A FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE. THIS WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON BUYING STRUCTURES ALREADY FLOODED IN THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN CONSIDER PURCHASING UNDEVELOPED LAND IN FLOOD PLANS TO PREVENT THE INCREASE OF IMPERVIOUS COVER WHILE MITIGATING FUTURE FLOODING RISKS AND KITCHEN SAID FLOOD MITIGATION AS A CITY, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN FOCUS ON SOLUTIONS. THEY'RE NOT SIMPLY BUYING OUT HOMES. OUR FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE MADE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND AS A CITY, I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS NEXT TO SLIDE SIX. THIS IS BRENT ROAD THIS PAST SUNDAY, AFTER A MILD RAINSTORM NOTE, THE FLOODING IMAGINE A PEDESTRIAN TRYING TO NAVIGATE THIS. THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE AT LEAST EIGHT ACRES OF IMPERVIOUS COVER. LDG WOULD ADD LVG IS OKAY WITH THIS, BUT IT IS NOT OKAY. NEXT TO SLIDE SEVEN, THE AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN CATEGORIZES BRENT ROSE AS A SUBSTANDARD STREET. BRENT ROAD IS A DETERIORATING ROADWAY IS ONLY 20 FEET WIDE WITH UTILITY POLES LOCATED AS CLOSE AS THREE FEET FROM THE ACTUAL, THE WAY HAS MULTIPLE CURVES HILLS AND BLIND SPOTS HAS DENSE TREES, GRADING POOR VISIBILITY AND HAS NO SHOULDERS, SIDEWALKS, GUTTERS, BIKE LANES, MEDIAN, AND NEARLY ZERO LIGHTING AT NIGHT, MAKING IT PITCH BLACK LEG HAS ENGINEERS DID NOT INCLUDE IN THEIR TIA. ANY ADJUSTMENT FOR BEING CONDUCTED DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC INCREASED WORK FROM HOME INCREASED UNEMPLOYMENT. AND WHEN SCHOOL IS NOT IN SESSION, ONE MUST CONCLUDE THAT GE IS INTENTIONALLY DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO MISREPRESENT THE TRUTH. NEXT TO SLIDE EIGHT. THIS IS AN IMAGE TO THE LEFT OF GRANT ROAD DURING THE DAY, AND AN IMAGE OF IT AT NIGHT ON THE RIGHT NEXT TO SLIDE NINE, LG HAS REPEATEDLY STATED THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH BRENT ROAD. HAVE YOU DRIVEN ON THE ROAD YOURSELF? AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE? THEY SAID, YES, I HAVE DRIVEN ON IT. IS THAT ROAD SAFE FOR A CHILD ON A BICYCLE TO RIDE? THEY SAID, I DO NOT FIND A SAFE. DOES LDG FEEL THAT YOU ARE TAKING IN THE SAFETY AND CONSIDERATION OF THE POPULATION YOU ARE HOPING TO SERVE AT THIS LOCATION REGARDING TRANSPORTATION? THEY SAID, YES, I DO. IMPORTANTLY, IF THE CITY IS UNABLE TO HELP FACILITATE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, REPAIR SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA, NOW THAT YOU CLAIM TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH WITH THIS. YES. NEXT TO SLIDE 10. LTG SAID THAT THEY CITY OF BOSTON ARE GOING TO REQUIRE US TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK ALONG GRANT ROAD. IT IS PROPOSED TO ONLY BE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, SEEN ABOVE AND BLUE. HOW DOES THIS HELP ANYONE NEXT TO SLIDE 11? ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED CHANGE MAY SUPPORT THE POLICY GUIDANCE REGARDING HOUSING, THE LACK OF PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES AND WALKABLE DESTINATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE NARROW AND UNIMPROVED CHARACTER OF BRENT ROAD, MAKE THIS PRODUCT OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH IMAGINE AUSTIN AND NOT SUPPORTED BY THE PLAN. NEXT TO SLIDE 12, AS FOR SAFE ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THE SITE, TWO MAJOR ISSUES ARE ONE. THE WALKABILITY SCORE WAS A BISMAL RATED CAR DEPENDENT TO THE BUS STOP IS LOCATED 0.7 MILES AWAY. A TENANT WILL HAVE TO WALK OVER HALF A MILE, LITERALLY ON A DANGEROUS TO END ROAD TO GET TO THE BUS STOP. WE ASKED LDG IF THERE WAS NO SIDEWALK, HOW A PEDESTRIAN WOULD LITERALLY HAVE TO WALK. AND BRENT ROAD ITSELF, LDTS DEPLORABLE ANSWER WAS SIMPLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE AVENUES THAT THEY COULD TAKE NEXT TO 13. OUR COMMUNITY GAVE LDG THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL US WHY WE SHOULD TRUST THAT THEY CAN COMPLETE THIS PROJECT. THE VERY LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS PUT A DEVELOPMENT ON THE GROUND, OR EVEN PROPOSE TO PUT A DEVELOPMENT ON THE GROUND. THAT'S GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO ANY OF THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN. LET'S TAKE ONE MORE. LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL TO THE RIGHT BASED ON LDG STATEMENT. THEY BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS NOT DETRIMENTAL IN ANY WAY NEXT TO 14. ZAP DOES LDG TRULY CARE ABOUT THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF THE PEOPLE THEY HOPE TO SERVE AT THIS PROPOSED SITE? OR DOES LDG CARE ABOUT THEIR FINANCIALS AS IT RELATES TO THE VIABILITY OF THE PROJECT AND DOING THE BARE MINIMUM, UNLESS THE CITY OF AUSTIN REQUIRES IT. IF THIS ZONING REQUEST IS APPROVED, IT SAYS THAT A CHILD WALKING ON BRENT ROAD FOR OVER HALF A MILE TO THE BUS STOP WITH A POTENTIAL TO GET RUN OVER IS OKAY. FLOODING OF HOMES, ROADWAYS, RENTERS, AND WILDLIFE IS OKAY. INCREASE HOUSING, OUTWEIGHS THE SAFETY OF THOSE BEING HOUSED AND A DEVELOPER WHO HAD DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO BUILD THAT THIS COMPLICATED LOCATION IS OKAY. NEXT TO 15, THE CONS CLEARLY OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS OF FLOODING FATALITIES IMAGINED OFTEN NON-COMPLIANCE UNSAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND ACCURATE STUDIES, FURTHER SCHOOL OVERCROWDING, NO SAFE BUS, STOP ACCESS AND ADEQUATE PARKING DISPLACE, WILDLIFE CAR DEPENDENT AND SUBSTANDARD ROADWAY NEXT TO 16, IF IT WERE , THIS DOES NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE ISSUES NEXT TO SLIDE 17 ELEGIES DEVELOPER BIO STATES THAT THEY WERE FOUNDED BASED ON THEIR BELIEF THAT EVERYONE DESERVES A QUALITY PLACE TO LIVE. IS THIS QUALITY FLOODING, A DANGEROUS ROAD, RAVAGED WILDLIFE AND HIGH POTENTIAL FOR FATAL ROAD ACCIDENTS. PLEASE GO ON THE RECORD AND AGREE. THIS IS NOT QUALITY AND OPPOSE THIS ZONING REQUEST. LAST SLIDE. I HAVE A VIDEO OF BRIEF OF DRIVING GRANT ROAD AND VARIOUS CONDITIONS BELOW. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THIS [00:25:01] VIDEO IF DESIRED ALL CITATIONS AND SOURCES OF QUOTES AVAILABLE AT YOUR REQUEST, I'LL REMAIN FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ICAHN. WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM DEBBIE MANER. MS. MANOR. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO LIKE STAR SIX. MY NAME IS HI, I'M. MY NAME IS DEBBIE MANER. I'M HERE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARKSIDE SIDE STARTER CREEK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM B ONE. I SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET AND IT'S PAGES 35 THROUGH 50, WHICH PROVIDE DETAILS OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE MS. FOUR ZONING STAFF IS NOW RECOMMENDED IMAGE TWO AND HAS INCLUDED RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE INCLUDED. AS ZONING IS APPROVED, WE STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ZONING. THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS FLOODING. WHILE THE CHANGE TO MF TWO REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS PER ACRE. WE ARE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT FLOODING RISKS. WE ARE ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMES IN OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED TO BE IN A FLOOD PLAIN PAST EXPERIENCES IN THE AREA WITH FLOODING, INCLUDING THE FLOODING THAT HAS INCURRED IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA, GIVES OUR HOMEOWNERS UNDENIABLE APPREHENSION AND CONCERN ABOUT WHAT MAY OCCUR WITH INCREASED IMPERVIOUS COVER AND RUNOFF RESULTING FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. BRANT ROAD IS ANOTHER CONCERN. BRANT ROAD HAS PLACES WHERE IT CURRENTLY WITH HEAVY RAINFALL, THIS NARROW AND UNIMPROVED ROAD WITH NO SIDEWALKS OR DEDICATED BIKE LANES MEANS TRAVEL IS ONLY FEASIBLE VIA CAR AND MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT INCREASES. TRAFFIC ONLY INCREASES THE NEED FOR IMPROVEMENTS. THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, MEMOS AND CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS THE RECONSTRUCTION OF BRANT ROAD TO URBAN STANDARDS, BUT ONLY ALONG THE PROPERTY FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS TO BRANT ROAD ARE DEFINITELY NEEDED, BUT THE IMPROVEMENT SHOULD INCLUDE AT A MINIMUM WORD INTERSECTS WITH 35 TO THE INTERSECTION WITH SLAUGHTER ROAD. BUT ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO BRENT ROAD BRINGS UP THE QUESTION, WHERE IS THIS FUNDING COMING FROM? AND DOES THE CITY BUDGET HAVE FUNDS SET ASIDE TO PAY FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION ON BRENT ROAD? THE CITY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT A PARKLAND DEDICATION BE REQUIRED FOR AN AREA OF THE PROPERTY NOT PLANNED TO BE DEVELOPED AT THE TIME THE DEVELOPER SUBMITS THE SUBDIVISION OR SITE PLAN. THIS COULD ADDRESS OUR COMMUNITY CONCERNS REGARDING THE DISRUPTION TO THE NATURAL HABITAT FOR THE WHAT, FOR THE AREA WILDLIFE. HOWEVER, THERE'S A STIPULATION IN CITY CODE THAT ALLOWS TO REQUIRE DEDICATION TO BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THESE IN LIEU OF ACTUAL DEDICATED LAND. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT IF THIS BUILDING MOVES FORWARD, THAT THESE, THE LIEU OF PARKLAND DEDICATION NOT BE AUTHORIZED IN REVIEWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MF TWO, WITH CONDITIONS FOR THE ZONING, WHILE THIS DOES ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS PRESENTED IN MY ORIGINAL WRITTEN DOCUMENT, THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH FLOODING AND INCREASE UTILIZATION OF A SUBSTANDARD BRANT ROAD CONTINUE TO BE A CONCERN. MEMBERS OF THE PARKSIDE IS FLOATER CREEK HOA OR NOT SUPPORT OR RINGING IS REZONING THIS PROPERTY TO MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND REQUEST THAT YOU DISAPPROVE THIS REQUEST FOR REZONING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, NOT SURE IF WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING TWO INDIVIDUALS ON THE TELECONFERENCE, BUT MR. MARK MILLER, MR. MARK MILLER, MR. LEILA BUCCO, MISS LEILA BUCCO. OKAY. WE'LL HEAR FROM MS. MEGHA MURPHY. MS. MURPHY, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES SELECT STAR SIX TO PROCEED. HELLO. MY NAME IS MEG MURPHY. I'M A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER AND CONCERN NEIGHBORHOOD. A MEMBER. I PROTEST THE FOX HOLLOW DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE IMPACT PUBLIC SAFETY. FIRST I DRIVE BRENT ROAD DAILY. ORIGINALLY A COUNTRY BACK ROAD. TWO LANE ROAD IS CURVY WITH MULTIPLE BLIND SPOTS, NO SHOULDERS AND OFTEN OVERGROWN VEGETATION INTRUDING INTO THE ROADWAY SECTIONS. AND THIS ROAD ALSO EXPERIENCED FLOWED FLOODING. THE ROAD IS DANGEROUS AND ALREADY NEEDS INVESTMENT TO WIDEN AND STRAIGHTEN TO SUPPORT THE CURRENT TRAFFIC. THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD MAKE SUPPORTING BOTH SCHOOL AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES EVEN MORE CHALLENGING DURING DRIVING HOURS, ANY INCREASE IN TRAFFIC WITHOUT SERIOUS UPGRADES TO BRANT ROAD POSES, A SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD. IN ADDITION, I PROTEST THE FOX HILL HOLLOW DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE OF SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH OVER TIME FOUND THEMSELVES AT RISK FOR FLOODING ON THE AUSTIN, TEXAS.GOV WEBSITE. [00:30:01] THE CITY STATES ONION CREEK IS AUSTIN'S LARGEST WATERSHED IN IS PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE TO FLOODING BOTH TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, MATURE COMMUNITIES AND HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES IN AND AROUND ONION CREEK AND OTHER CREEKS EXPERIENCED FLOODING TO THE EXTENT THAT LARGE-SCALE HOME BUYOUTS WERE REQUIRED AND WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE DEMOLISHED TO THE SOUTH OF THE FOX SOLAR DEVELOPMENT IN THE UPPER ONION CREEK PROJECT AREA LOCATED IN THE ONION CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR PINEHURST DRIVE. AND WHILE DUNES DRIVE MORE THAN 138 HOMES WERE DEMOLISHED, THE RESULTING VACANT LOSS AND ABANDONED STREETS ARE DANGEROUS AND NOTHING CLOSE TO BEING A USABLE PARK. THE LOWER ONION CREEK PROJECT AND BUYOUT AREAS ARE NEAR WILLIAM CANNON DRIVE AND SOUTH PLEASANT VALLEY ROAD. AGAIN, WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WELL-ESTABLISHED WHO LATER EXPERIENCED FLOODING RESULTING IN THE DEMOLITION OF 815 HOMES OVER A 21 YEAR PERIOD FROM 1999 TO 2021 ON A RECENT DRIVE TO THE ONION CREEK METROPOLITAN PARK. LAST SUNDAY, I PHYSICALLY OBSERVED THE AREA WHICH STILL RESEMBLED A DOOMSDAY AFTERMATH WITH SIDEWALKS, COMPLETELY OVERGROWN VEGETATION, REACHING UP TO 12 FEET AND HEIGHTS, ABANDONED VEHICLES AND UNAUTHORIZED CAMPING, ALL PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE COMMISSION, NOT IGNORE THE REAL HAZARDS OF IMPERVIOUS CONSTRUCTION IN AND AROUND OUR CREEKS AND THE RISK OF FLOODING, WHICH IN THE FUTURE COULD LEAD TO THE DEMOLITION OF MORE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE IMPACT TO HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES. THIS CONCLUDES MY REMARKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO STEP BACK. UM, MS. MICHELLE ICON, ARE YOU AVAILABLE MS. MICHELLE ICON. OKAY. MS. LIZ DIAZ, MS. LIZ DIAZ STUFF. YOU'RE ON THE LINE. OKAY. MOVING TO MS. CINDY MURPHY, MS. CINDY MURPHY. HI. THANK YOU, PLEASE PROCEED. YEAH. HI, MY NAME IS CINDY MURPHY. I YIELD TO MY SISTER MAG THAT JUST SPOKE VERY ELOQUENTLY AND EVERYTHING THAT JOHN AND DEBBIE SPOKE OF EARLIER. I AM ADAMANTLY AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. AARON THORPE, SELECT STAR SIX AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. HE WAS THERE. PROCEED MY NAME'S AARON THORPE. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF PARKSIDE AT SPOTTER CREEK. I AM AS WELL AS POSED TO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT. UH, I LIVE ON PETRIFIED FOREST, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE, UH, PROPOSED PROPERTY. AND I AGREE WITH JOHN AND, UH, THE LIKES OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS ON THIS CALL IN REGARDS TO THE EXTREME SAFETY ISSUE. I HAVE SEEN THE ROAD FLOOD MULTIPLE TIMES. I'VE SEEN BUSINESSES THAT HAVE TRIED TO BE ON THAT SIDE OF BRANT ROAD FLOOD. UH, ONE OF WHICH WAS VITAL FARMS, WHICH HAD A CHICKEN FARM THERE, WHICH FLOODED SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND THEY LOST SEVERAL OF THEIR CHICKENS AS WELL AS MANY PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. SO IT'S A PRETTY APPALLING TO THINK THAT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED INTO MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND THINK THAT THROUGH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE FACT THAT THE FLOODING IS EXISTENCE IN THE FLOODPLAIN HAS INCREASED ONLY THAT, BUT AS MENTIONED, THE ROADWAY IS EXTREMELY WINDY. I'VE TRIED TO WATCH PEOPLE NAVIGATE THE ROAD AND THERE WAS NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO. I MEAN, IT IS NOT MAINTAINED WELL, I BELIEVE IT'S MAINTAINED BY THE TRAVIS COUNTY AND IT DOES NOT MAINTAIN ITS OVERGROWN BRANCHES POWER LINES. I CAN'T SEE HOW ANYBODY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP PROPERTY ON THERE, NOT INCREASE TRAFFIC AND CONCERNS FOR FLOODING. THANK YOU FOR Y'ALL'S TIME. THANK YOU, MR. TOM, MR. TOM, THIS IS HELLO. THIS IS TOM ON MR. HAVEN. 2,400. YES, I LIVE AT 2,400 MOSELLE LANE. AND THIS IS IN ZIP CODE 44. THIS IS THE PERKINS VALLEY AREA, AN AREA THAT HAS A 40 YEAR HISTORY OF FLOODING. THE FLOODING, THE FLOODING TO THE HOMES GETS MORE SERIOUS WITH EACH PASSING DECADE. IN THE RECENT PAST, WE HAD, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE EIGHT TO 10 INCHES OF RAINWATER. UPSTREAM ARE AT THE HIGHER ELEVATION TO THE WEST. NOW THREE INCHES IS A VERY BIG THREAT. THE NEW APARTMENTS WEST OF THIS, OR THE REASON THEY ALREADY HAVE THREE GROUPS OF APARTMENTS THAT ARE A THREAT. [00:35:01] UH, THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS EVACUATION BECAUSE ONCE BLUFF SPRINGS ROAD FLOODS, THE, THE PEOPLE ON THREE STREETS ARE CUT OFF, WHICH INCLUDE BOVELL CECIL AND BURKINS. AND UH, IF, IF, IF, IF WE WERE BOUGHT OUT IN CANOLA, WE CAN NO LONGER STAY IN AUSTIN AND THIS, THIS WOULD NOT BE AFFORDABLE FOR MYSELF AND MY WIFE. UM, SEEING THAT THE HOUSING MARKET IS BOOMING BEYOND BELIEF. WE'RE NOT SURPRISED BY ALL THE SURROUNDING APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT AND APPLICATIONS. THE ONION CREEK AREA IS NOT THE SLAUGHTER CREEK AREA, IT'S ONION CREEK, AND IT HAS UNIQUE FLOOD CHALLENGES. UH, LEARNING FROM THE PAST LONG TIME RESIDENTS HAVE EXPERIENCED THE HALLOWEEN FLOODS OF 2013 AND 2015 AND MASSIVE LIVESTOCK LOSSES AND DESTRUCTIVE HOME FLOOD LOSSES. LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAD TO BUY OVER 500 HOMES IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND MANY MORE IN SOUTHEAST TRAVIS COUNTY IN OTHER 138 HOMES IN THE UPPER ONION CREEK WATERSHED WERE DESIGNATED. LET'S BE CLEAR. THIS IS NOT SLAUGHTER. THIS IS NOT FATHER CLIQUE. THIS IS ONION CREEK. AND THE PERKINS VALLEY WAS CHANGED FOREVER, BUT THE FLOODS, UH, AFFECT THOSE WHO DON'T RESIDE IN THE AREA. TWO HOMES IN ONION CREEK, FOREST YARRA, B BEND SILVERSTONE, AND OTHERS WERE DESTROYED AND BROUGHT OUT. BUT BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND AN IMMENSE COST TO THE TAXPAYERS FEMA OR THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY PEOPLE IS THE FEDERAL AGENCIES ASSIST, BUT TENDS TO BE VERY SLOW MOVING. PEOPLE HAD TO WAIT TWO MORE YEARS TO GET THEIR LIVES BACK TO NORMAL. AND BASICALLY IT NEVER DID GET BACK TO NORMAL BECAUSE THEY HAD TO MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTY. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. HEAD-ON. WHEN I HEAR FROM MS. ANA AGAIN, BEAR WITH ME JUST ONE SECOND. LET ME PULL UP YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, BUT AT, AT A MEET US AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS IMMEDIATE. PAST CHAIR OF THE STOCK IS COMBINED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM. THE CONTACTING MADE ON AUGUST THE NINTH AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL. HERE'S A PICTURE UP OF SIPPY NAMED JUDE RODRIGUEZ. I WILL TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THEM AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. NEXT SLIDE. OUR CONCERNS ARE FLASH FLOODING AND PUBLIC SAFETY. NEXT SLIDE. THE ONION CREEK WATERSHED STARTS IN BLANCO COUNTY AND ENDS IN TRAVIS COUNTY IN 2013. BY THE TIME HABER WINGS, IT STARTED IN BLANCO COUNTY REACHED THE MOVER ONION CREEK AREA AT EAST WILLIAM CANNON. THE QUICK CREEK WAS SLOWING AT TWICE THE FORCE OF NIAGARA FALLS. NEXT SLIDE. THE GRAPH SHOWS YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RUNOFF RATES IN AREAS WITH URBAN VERSUS UNDEVELOPED AREAS. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS ANN CREEK FLOODING UNDER NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS DAMAGE TO THE UPPER ONION CREEK AREA. CLOSE TO . NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS DAMAGE TO THE LOWER AND YOUR CREEK AREA CLOSE TO EAST WILLIAM CANNON. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE COVER OF THE FLOOD MITIGATION TASKFORCE REPORT IN DEPICTS A PICTURE OF THE LOWER END CREEK FLOODWATERS GOING OVER IS WILLIAM CANNON HOMES AND THE HOMES CLOSE BY HAD ONLY THEIR ROOTS VISIBLE. NEXT SLIDE DEBRIS TAKES THEM TO BE REMOVED AND CREATES A FIRE HAZARD OR WORSE A DAM. IF THERE IS A NEW FLOOD EVENT BEFORE EIGHT IS CLEARED. NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S ALSO EROSION. NEXT SLIDE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CAPITA FILAMENT UPSTREAM, ESPECIALLY AS IT IS ADJACENT TO INDIAN CREEK LOSS OF LIFE OR LARGE DEBRIS GETTING WASHED DOWN IT'S ALARMING NOTE, A PROPOSED BAN SINCE SURRENDERING THIS PROPERTY POSES THE HAZARD TO PROPERTIES THAT STREAM. NEXT SLIDE IMAGINED THE PUPILS AND DUMPSTERS BEING SLAMMED BY THE FLOODWATERS AGAINST THESE PILLARS. SUPPORTING THIS EAST SLAUGHTER BRIDGE. THE BLIP SPRINGS BRIDGE IS DOWNSTREAM AND FAIRLY CLOSE. NEXT SLIDE. WHAT ABOUT EQUITY? NEXT SLIDE, LOWER INDIAN CRICKET OVER 800 HOMES. HOME BUYOUTS, ANY TAR COMMUNITY WAS DISPLACED BY CATASTROPHIC FLOODS. AND I KNOW YOU HAD THE HANDFUL GET DOWN THE HOME IN AUSTIN. NEXT SLIDE. I CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT LOT, TWO LOT, OR GET UPSTREAM ADVERSITY IMPACT WE IN THE LOWER EASTERN CRESCENT OR AT A MAJOR DISADVANTAGE. NEXT SLIDE WE'RE ASKING FOR EQUAL PROTECTION, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, AND SAFE AFFORDABILITY, ESPECIALLY FOR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS. [00:40:01] NEXT SLIDE, PUBLIC SAFETY INCLUDES PROTECTING STUDENTS AT BATES ELEMENTARY, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS IN OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE INFRASTRUCTURE. NEXT SLIDE, DURING THE 2013 HALLOWEEN FLOOD, WE LOST EDWARD JACKSON, 32, HOPEFULLY IT'LL TAKE US AND HER EIGHT MONTH OLD SON, JAY SHOWN HERE, TWO UNIDENTIFIED MALES, 200 STUDENTS WERE HOMELESS. 1200 HOMES WERE DAMAGED DURING THE 2015 OCTOBER FLOOD. WE LOST EDWARD EDMOND, JR. 30 SEPARATE FROM W HE WAS WITH TWO OTHER MALES THAT WERE RESCUED AND THERE'S ENOUGH, OR THESE GARSA 67. SHE WAS WITH HER HUSBAND WHEN SHE WAS RESCUED, WHO WAS RESCUED. PLEASE DON'T FORGET THEY WERE ON THE BLESSED BRIDGE WHEN THEY WERE SWEPT AWAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, MR. GETTY. NOW WE'RE HERE FOR THE, UM, WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. CIGARETTE OR THE APPLICANT REBUTTAL. MR. SEGA. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, UH, COMMISSIONER. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THAT. UM, THE RESIDENTS ALL HAVE SOME VALID CONCERNS, BUT AS I MENTIONED IN THE OPENING REMARKS, UH, A LOT OF THE DETAILS FOR THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, UH, ARE ADDRESSED. I'M SORRY, THERE, THE DETAILS ARE ADDRESSED AT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT STAGE. UH, THE CODE DOES NOT ALLOW US TO INCREASE, UH, THE, UH, THE CODE DOES NOT ALLOW US TO CONSTRUCT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, UNLESS WE MITIGATE, UH, BY PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL CONVEYANCE AND SOME OF THE LOCATION, UH, THE CODE, UH, REQUIRES THAT SIDEWALKS BE CONSTRUCTED. UH, YES, IT IS TRUE THAT THEY ONLY HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, OR CONSTRUCTED ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROJECT. UH, BUT BRANT ROAD IS MORE THAN JUST THIS ONE PROJECT. UH, WE, UH, WORKED CLOSELY. THE DEVELOPER HAS WORKED CLOSELY, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER KITCHEN KITCHENS OFFICE, UH, TO TRY AND DETERMINE AHEAD OF TIME WHAT MIGHT BE DONE. UH, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY A LONGER TERM, UH, GREATER IN SCOPE PROJECT THAT WOULD INVOLVE TECHSTOP SUBDIVISIONS AND, UH, NUMEROUS OTHER ENTITIES, UH, AS FOR FUNDING ON THESE IMPROVEMENTS. I'M SORRY, AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING WOULD BE FOR, FOR BRAND ROGUE, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S BEYOND OUR ONE PROJECT, UH, AS THE SUBDIVISIONS WERE DEVELOPED, UH, THAT THESE RESIDENTS LIVE IN, UH, FISCAL WAS POSTED FOR THEIR SIDEWALKS ALONG BRANT ROAD. NONE OF THOSE SIDEWALKS HAD BEEN BUILT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE POLICIES WERE DONE AT THOSE TIMES. I'M SURE THE FISCALS HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN RETURNED. UH, SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN WHAT THIS ONE PROJECT IS. MANY OF THEIR CONCERNS ARE CERTAINLY VALID AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. SURE. THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, UM, I GUESS WE SHOULD VOTE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KING AND I CAN BY COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT LOOKS UNANIMOUS AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION. UM, IS THERE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO GO FIRST OR I CAN GO IN A CIRCLE MISSIONARY GREENBERG? UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK JOHN CAN TO, UM, SHOW THE VIDEO OF THE ROAD COMMISSIONER DANCLER AND I DROVE THAT ROAD ON SUNDAY AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO DRIVE THAT BECAUSE I'VE FOUND IT SCARY. CAN HE SHOW THAT VIDEO? I MEAN, SURE. I WATCHED IT, BUT, AND I'M SURE IF, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. HOW LONG IS IT, IS THAT CRAZY TO ASK? I'M SURE WE CAN. I THINK IT ILLUSTRATES WHAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING. I WOULD SUPPORT HER REQUEST. YES, YES. THAT'S WHAT I IS. UM, ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR IT'S COMING UP NOW IN THE MEANTIME WHILE THEY'RE PULLING IT UP? OH, IT WAS FASTER THAN I THOUGHT. HERE WE GO. [00:46:39] THIS IS A DIFFERENT VIDEO OR WE'RE JUST GOING TO WATCH THE BICYCLE. OKAY. UH, YEAH, THAT SHOULD PROBABLY, I THINK WE GOT IT. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M FROM PFLUGERVILLE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I KNOW WHAT A, OF COUNTRY LIVE ROAD LOOKS LIKE. UM, SO THIS ONE HAS ASPHALT ON IT, SO IT'S NICE. I GUESS IT'S STILL SUBSTANDARD, RIGHT? UM, OKAY. WHO'S NEXT? YES. COMMISSIONER, DINKLER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, I SAW MISS, UH, GIVEN HIS, UH, PRESENTATION, UM, THAT, UH, SCHOOL SAFETY ISSUES. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WENDY, YOUR, MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES CAN SPEAK AS TO THE SCHOOL, UH, CROWDING. I DIDN'T PAY QUITE ENOUGH ATTENTION TO THAT. ARE WE UNDER ENROLLED OR OVER ENROLLED IN ANY OF THE LOCAL SCHOOLS, MR. ICON, WOULD YOU BE THE BEST PERSON? DO YOU KNOW THAT MPO OR SHOULD I GO TO MS. RHODES AND THEN THAT INFORMATION? MAY I SHARE IT? UH, YES. OKAY. SO THE, UH, PEREZ MIDDLE SCHOOL FOR 2020 TO 2021 POPULATION IS ALREADY AT 114% CAPACITY. THE, UH, AKINS HIGH SCHOOL POPULATION FOR 20 TO 21 POPULATION IS ALREADY AT 139% CAPACITY. THIS WILL FURTHER INCREASE THAT AND DECREASE THE RATIOS WORSE THAN THE RATIOS AND, AND, UH, SUBJECT THE EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TO A WORSER EXTENT. OKAY. RIGHT. AND I THINK, I THOUGHT I NEEDED A BUS, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'M REMEMBERING THAT ONE OF THE SCHOOLS WOULD NEED A NEW BUS TO SERVE THE STUDENTS. IS THAT IN THERE TO BACK UP THAT, THAT I'M NOT SURE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE THOUGH. OKAY. AND THEN ONE IS WINDY. OKAY. THAT THERE WAS AN EDUCATIONAL IMPACT STATEMENT THAT WAS PREPARED LAST WEEK, UM, FOR BLOWSIER, UM, THEY BLESS THEIR CAMPUS. IT'S 90% OF CAPACITY. UH, WELL IT'S BETWEEN 80, 83 AND 90% CAPACITY FOR PEREZ. THAT'S A WEST OF 35 MIDDLE SCHOOL. IT'S UH, BETWEEN 61 AND ONE OH 4%. AND THEN FOR AIKEN HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS ACROSS, UM, ACROSS AGE 35, IT'S BETWEEN 102 AND 131%. I KNOW YOU TOO. AND 131%. YES. THERE WAS A WITH MOBILITY RATE AND THEN WITHOUT MOBILITY RATE. GOTCHA. [00:50:02] AND THEN I HAD ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION. IT WAS FOR HOUSING. UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE HOUSING CORPORATION STAFF. UM, HOW MANY WE, WE HA WE SUBSIDIZE 11,000 UNITS. IS, ARE WE CONCENTRATING A LOT OF OUR, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AREAS LIKE THIS, WHERE WE'VE GOT FLOODING PROBLEMS AND SUBSTANDARD ROADS. UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS, UH, PROJECT HAD, UM, ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS AND THE LIKES. I ALSO WASN'T CLEAR IF YOU WERE SUPPORTIVE THAT THE MF TWO OR MF FOUR. SO, UH, LIKE TO GET YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONCENTRATION OF UNITS AND AS WELL AS, UM, UH, WHETHER YOU WERE SUPPORTING MF TWO OR MFR. YES. THIS IS SUZANNE WITH THE, UM, AUSTIN HOUSING AUTHORITY. OUR PORTFOLIO IS ALL OVER AUSTIN. IT'S NOT CONCENTRATED IN THE SOUTH. IT'S ALL OVER NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST. UM, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF OUR ACQUISITION, PROPERLY PROPERTIES ONLY HAVE ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE EXCITED ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD WITH, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE AND FOUR BEDROOMS. UM, I KNOW THAT THIS ONE IS CLOSE TO GOODNIGHT. RANCH, BLAZER ELEMENTARY IS, IS OVER THERE. THEY ARE, UM, LOOKING AT BUILDING A MIDDLE SCHOOL IN A HIGH SCHOOL RELATIVELY SOON, THIS PROJECT, IF IT'S BUILT, UM, IT WON'T EVEN CLOSE UNTIL NEXT YEAR, 2022, AND IT'LL TAKE TWO YEARS TO BUILD IT. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THAT TIMEFRAME, BUT, UM, WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THIS PROJECT AND OF THE UNIT COUNT. UM, I, I DO NOT KNOW, UM, HOW THE, IF I CHANGED TO MF TWO IS MADE HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR UNIT COUNT. IT'S MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO CUT IT QUITE A BIT. UM, WE ARE STILL SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE WE NEED AFFORDABLE UNITS AND AUSTIN, TEXAS. UM, OBVIOUSLY I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE DESIGNATION, BUT, UM, WE DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, IF, IF WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GO WITH AN MF TWO, WE, WE WOULD GO WITH AN MF TOO, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. GREAT. THANK YOU. THIS IS, THIS IS WENDY ROSE AGAIN WITH THE ZONING STAFF AND THEY APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A CONCEPT PLAN SHOWING APPROXIMATELY ACRES THAT WERE DEVELOPABLE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS PART OF THE BACKUP MATERIAL. UM, THE APPLICANT, THE TWO DOES ALLOW FOR 23 UNITS PER ACRE. HOWEVER, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, INCLUDING THE TRIBUTARY OF ONION CREEK AND SLOPES AND FLOODPLAIN AREA THAT COULD POSE A CHALLENGE IN ACHIEVING THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED NUMBER OF UNITS AND, AND THE DESIRED UNIT SIZE AND UNIT MIX. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS COMMISSIONER, DECKLER WENDY, IF I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, MR. RHODES. UM, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE ZONING, IF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE SITE CONDITIONS, EVEN IF WE WERE TO GRANT , IT WOULD RESTRICT THE AMOUNT OF THE, IT WOULD RESTRICT THE FOOT, THE CONDITIONS WOULD RESTRICT THE FOOTPRINT, RIGHT? SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY LIKELY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ON THE EIGHT ACRES THAT THEY'VE OUTLINED IN THEIR BACKUP, RIGHT. WE'VE SEEN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN, ET CETERA. AND YOU KNOW, THE STATEMENT FROM MR. SHUNK, I THINK IS PROBABLY VALID. SO MY QUESTION IS, I GUESS, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GRANT EMMA FOR ZONING AND THEN THEY WOULD BE, UM, LIMITED BY THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE OF WHERE THEIR FOOTPRINT COULD BE. UM, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. THAT THAT'S CORRECT THERE AND THEREFORE ALLOWS FOR A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. HOWEVER, IT'S ALWAYS A, ONCE YOU GET TO SITE PLANNING, WE HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT YOU ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO THROUGH A SITE PLAN APPLICATION, UM, THE, IT, THE DEVELOPMENT ALL IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WANT TO BE FURTHER CONSTRAINED BY THE FLOOD, PLAIN TRIBUTARIES, CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES TREES, UH, AND PROBABLY, AND MAYBE IT SLOPES. RIGHT? YEAH. AND THEN MY, MY FOLLOWUP QUESTION IS ABOUT REQUIREMENTS OF TRANSPORTATION-RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE TCM HAS BEEN FINALIZED YET, BUT AS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REQUIREMENTS [00:55:01] FOR SIDEWALK WOULD REQUIRE IT'S LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BUILD A PIPE AND END AT THE LIMITS OF THE PROPERTY, YOU WOULD BUILD A PIPE THAT CONNECTS TO THE ADJACENT WATER LINE, JUST LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BUILD A SIDEWALK THAT IS JUST THE LIMITS OF THE PROPERTY. SO ARE WE ABLE TO REQUIRE, OR IS THAT IN THE, IN THE TCM OR OTHER, UM, MANUALS THAT THE, THAT THE CITY HAS, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SIDEWALK TO BE CONNECTED? IS AMBER MITCHELL OR JUSTIN GOOD IS ON THE LINE IF YOU COULD ASSIST WITH THAT QUESTION. YEAH. THIS IS AMBER HUTCHENS WITH THE AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. UM, THE CURRENT CODE REQUIRES THAT THE SIDEWALK BE BUILT ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, WHEN WE ASSESS, UM, WHAT THE FULL EXTENT OF THE MITIGATION THAT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED. CAUSE WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE ROADWAY ALONG THEIR SITE BE UPGRADED TO URBAN STANDARDS. WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE SITE PLAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO WHAT KIND OF CONNECTIVITY WE CAN PROVIDE ON THAT ROAD, BUT IT'S REALLY GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT THE SITE PLAN PROPOSES AND, UM, HOW WE CAN ASSESS BALANCING THEIR IMPACT ON THAT ROADWAY WITH WHAT WE CAN ASK OF THEM. SO WE WILL DEFINITELY TRY TO CREATE A CONNECTED NETWORK, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED BY WHAT THE UNIT COUNT ON THE SITE IS. OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE SMP REQUIRES THEM TO REVERT, TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH MEANS THEY WOULD, IF THEY WERE TO BUILD A SIDEWALK, IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY STEPPED BACK FROM THE EXISTING ROADWAY OR LIKE 20 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. YEAH. THERE'LL BE DEDICATING RIGHT AWAY PER THE ASN P ROADWAY PLAN. UM, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 66 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY. RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN IS ASKING FOR 78 FEET. UM, AND WE WILL HAVE IT, WE'LL HAVE THE SIDEWALK SET BACK A CERTAIN AMOUNT, NOT ONLY JUST FOR THE SIDEWALK, BUT WE'LL ALSO BE HAVING THEM CONSTRUCT BICYCLE FACILITIES IN A CURB AND GUTTER. OKAY. AND THEY'LL HAVE, IT'LL BE PROTECTED BY SCHOOL FACILITIES PROBABLY. YEAH. SO THEY WILL BE BUILT TO AUSTIN STREET DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO THE, UM, BICYCLES, THE BICYCLE NETWORK WILL BE BEHIND THE CURB LINE. YES. ALL RIGHT. WHO ELSE HAS QUESTIONS? OH, I DON'T HAVE MY HAND THING. I'M SO SORRY. UH, COMMISSIONER TOSTA AND THEN KING. AND I'M GOING TO PULL UP MY HAND THING. I'M ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER SMITH, BRAY AND KIELBASA HAD THEIR HAND. OKAY. WE'LL GO WITH SMITH FIRST. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UH, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A SITE PLAN IN THE BACK OF THAT SITE PLAN MAY SHOW DEVELOPMENT OF THE FLOODPLAIN DURING THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD ANYTHING IN THE FLOODPLAIN. IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE NOT IN TILING. THAT'S CORRECT. MR. SMITH. UM, AND SO NONE OF THEIR PROJECT DREAMT DOES THEIR PROJECT DRAIN. THE BRYANT ROAD HAS ALL OF IT DRAINED DOWN TO ONION CREEK, ONION CREEK. OKAY. SO THAT WON'T BE ADDING ANY FLOW TO BRANT ROAD. THEY WON'T BE DEVELOPING IN THE FEMA FLOOD LINE. THEY'LL BE PROVIDING DETENTION. I'M ASSUMING. AND WATER QUALITY IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, SO THEY WON'T BE CONTRIBUTING TO FLOOD. THEY WON'T BE BUILDING IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND WILL BE CONTRIBUTING FLOW TO BRENT LANE. I, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT MF FOUR, UM, THAT IS A LOT OF DENSITY AND A LOT OF HEIGHT, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT AREA. I'M MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH MF TWO. UM, THE ZONE INTERIM ARE, WE GOT ITS OWN THEM SOMETHING, BUT I AM AT FOUR, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DENSE. AND IN MY PERSPECTIVE MAY UP TO MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I'M GOING TO GO WITH LASA NEXT BECAUSE SHE'S NEXT ON MY LIST. OH, OKAY. THANKS. THIS PROJECT JUST MAKES ME JUST MAKES ME QUEASY BECAUSE I THINK THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE, SHOULD MEET THE BAR IN CERTAIN AREAS. IN MANY AREAS, PROBABLY ALL AREAS LIKE NOT BEING ON A SUBSTANDARD ROAD. THAT'S ACTUALLY CLASSIFIED AS A SUBSTANDARD ROAD, NOT BEING NEAR OR ADJACENT TO A BUYOUT AREA WHERE PEOPLE WERE FLOODED OUT. AND ALSO I NOTICED THAT THOSE DRAINS, THOSE ARE THE OPEN DRAINS. UM, THE, THE HANDLING OF THE WASTEWATER IS ALSO VERY PROBLEMATIC. SO I, UM, IT JUST, SO I JUST WANTED, I DON'T EVEN HAVE A QUESTION. I JUST [01:00:01] WANTED TO STATE THAT I THINK THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DESERVES TO HAVE BETTER HOUSING AND A BETTER LOCATION THAN THIS MISSIONARY BRAY. OKAY. UH, I THOUGHT ABOUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, UM, FORCED FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STAFF. I THINK WE HAD SOMEONE ON THE LINE, I'M SORRY. STARTED TO TRACK PEOPLE WHEN IT'S JUST OVER THE PHONE. UH, BUT IN TERMS OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, RIGHT NOW, HOW MUCH OF A BOTTLENECK IS IT FINDING SITES TO USE THAT MONEY TO BUILD SITES? MAYBE WHEN DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? BECAUSE I I'M SORRY. I, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. I WAS GOING TO ASK IF, IF HAKA STAFF WAS ON THE LINE. YEAH. SORRY. I JUST KIND OF FORGET WHO IT WAS, BUT YES, THIS IS SUZANNE WITH THE AUSTIN HOUSING AUTHORITY. UM, WE ARE NOT USING CITY MONEY TO BUILD THIS PR THIS PROJECT. I, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. SO I GUESS, I GUESS, WHAT IS IT STATE OR FEDERAL MONEY? WHAT'S THE MONEY SOURCE? WELL, THE MONEY SOURCE WOULD BE A FEDERAL TAX CREDIT FOR THE EQUITY. UM, BUT, BUT NO CITY MONEY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU, I MEAN, THERE IS A LIMITED AMOUNT. UM, BUT WITH THE, THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GOING IN, IT'S KIND OF A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROJECT HAS TO PENCIL OUT. SO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHERE YOU BUILD, UM, LAND PRICES HAVE, HAVE, UH, A LOT TO DO WITH WHERE YOU BUILD, UM, I WOULD REALLY HAVE TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER WEIGH IN ON THIS IF WE WANT TO GET ANY DEEPER THAN THAT. UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, AS FAR AS SITTING MONEY, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT USING ANY CITY MONEY. OKAY. UM, I WANT TO, IT'S STILL, UM, FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, IS THERE LIKE, IS THERE A POOL IS LIKE DONE FOR THAT FEDERAL MONEY? IS THAT LIKE A POOL THAT GOES TO AUSTIN? IS IT JUST KIND OF LIKE, HOW, HOW IS THAT LIKE ANY FIRST COMFORT, LIKE NATIONALLY STATE LEVEL LOCAL? YEAH. THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS ACTUALLY DISTRIBUTES THAT, UM, THE, THE, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THEY DISTRIBUTED TO THE STATES AND THEN THE STATES SPLIT IT UP BETWEEN THE, THE, UM, CITIES. SO THERE IS, THERE IS AN AMOUNT FOR THE CITY. SO, UM, IS HAVE WE, UM, BEEN ABLE TO FIND ENOUGH SITES TO THAT NEED, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, TO USE THAT MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE. UH, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M KIND OF GETTING AT HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE PUT HOUSING AND I'M KIND OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS LIKE, IS, IS THE NUMBER OF SITES THE BOTTLENECK, OR IS IT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AVAILABLE? BECAUSE I THINK FOR TALKING ABOUT LIKE, WHERE WE THINK THIS KIND OF HOUSING SHOULD GO, IF WE'RE LIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF HEIGHTS SITES AND, YOU KNOW, THIS HAPPENS TO BE A VERY VIABLE SITE THAT WE HAVE VERY RARELY, I THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF SENSE AVAILABLE, BUT LESS MONEY THAN WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH. I THINK IT'S MORE OF A, UM, A SITE BASED THING. LIKE I SAID, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO GO FAR WEST, YOU KNOW, THE LAND PRICES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, SO YOU'RE MORE THAN LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT TO PENCIL OUT. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH, UM, ENOUGH CAPACITY IN THE FEDERAL FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THE SITES THAT, THAT WE HAVE FOUND AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE. UH, BUT IT'S MORE OF, IT'S EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. OKAY. AND THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT TO ME, UH, BECAUSE WHAT I'M MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT IS THAT IF WE DON'T BUILD THIS HERE, IT IS NOT GETTING THOSE IN AUSTIN. AND THAT 200 FAMILIES THAT AT THIS INCOME LEVEL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 60% OF MY FI UH, WE WERE TALKING PREVIOUS MEETINGS. WE, YOU KNOW, 80% OF THAT FIVE, 10% OF THE UNITS, THIS IS 60% MFI FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE UNITS WITH A VERY LARGE PROPORTION OF MULTI BEDROOM HOUSING. SO IT'S A VERY INCREDIBLE TO ME, LIKE VERY IMPORTANT TYPE OF HOUSING AND NOT SOMETHING TO PASS UP LIGHTLY AT ALL. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY, [01:05:01] YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE THE, THE EXCHANGE WE'RE MAKING CARE, I GUESS ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS IS 200 FAMILIES HAVING A CHANCE TO LIVE IN THIS IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UM, BECAUSE THEY WILL DO, WE WILL NOT REALLY GET THAT HOUSING ELSEWHERE IS MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH AUSTIN'S HOUSING MARKET AS IT'S GOING. UM, SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY GOT ENOUGH ATTENTION AND MAYBE THE TESTIMONY AND DISCUSSION SO FAR. SO I JUST REALLY WANTED TO, UM, I LIKED THAT, UH, I ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION STAFF. UM, WHAT IS THE, ARE THERE LIMITATIONS ON BEING, SO WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH VISIBILITY. UH, WHAT ARE THE LIMITATIONS, AS FAR AS WHERE THE ALONG THE ROAD THAT WOULD MAKE IT HARD OR MAKE IT, IS IT, WOULD WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIKE EXPAND THE ROADWAY TO IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS ON THE ROAD? IT'S EASIEST IF THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING WE HAVE THE MONEY, IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN BASED ON THE CURRENT, LIKE CONSTRAINTS OF THE ROAD? THIS IS APPREHENSIONS THAT THE ATD, CAN YOU, ARE YOU ASKING ME IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY CONDITIONS? YEAH. WELL, I KNOW IN SOME CASES IT'S LIKE, BECAUSE OF, UM, LIMITS ON HOW FAR YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BUILDING OR, UH, OTHER LIMITATIONS ON, ON ABILITY, YOU KNOW, BRIDE OR MATTER OF RIGHT AWAY, YOU HAVE LIKE, IS THERE ENOUGH RIGHT AWAY AVAILABLE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, IMPROVE THE ROAD? OKAY. YEAH. I THINK ESPECIALLY ALONG THIS SECTION, UM, WE HAVE SUFFICIENT RIGHT AWAY, WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY WITH THE DEDICATION THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE WITH THEIR SITE PLAN. YES. WE WOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE TO UPGRADE THE ROAD, UM, AND PROVIDE A SAFER CONDITION. AT LEAST ALONG THIS SEGMENT. WE'LL ALSO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY DO SUBMIT THEIR SITE PLAN, THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC LOCATION FOR THEIR ACCESS POINT AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE PLACING THEIR DRIVEWAY. AND THIS SITE IS, PARDON ME, THE SAFEST PLACE POSSIBLE FOR ACCESSING THE SITE. IS THERE SPACE ALONG THE ENTIRE STRETCH OF THAT ROAD BETWEEN SLAUGHTER AND THE 35 ACCESS ROAD TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY? YES. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I LOOKED AT THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THIS SUBJECT TRACK. UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE HAVE, UM, ON EITHER SIDE OF IT. OKAY. THIS, I WISH, I, I GUESS I SHOULD'VE ASKED THAT AHEAD OF THE MEETING, CAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT. UM, UH, MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISIONS DID, DID DEDICATE. I JUST, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME. I'M SORRY. OKAY. AND IF YOU COULD FIND THAT, LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK AT FOR LIKE A FEW MINUTES. UM, MAYBE ANSWER THAT QUESTION LIKE 10, 15 MINUTES. UM, CAUSE I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW THAT, UM, UH, ANOTHER QUESTIONNAIRE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE, I'M ASSUMING IT'S PART OF LIKE THE THEY'LL HAVE THE MITIGATION, UH, WHAT KIND OF MONEY, UH, YOU KNOW, W IS THERE A ROUGH RANGE OF LIKE HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS TRAFFIC MITIGATION ALONG THE STREET? I KNOW THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET, BUT MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A BALLPARK YOU COULD GIVE US. NO, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO THAT UNTIL THEY SUBMIT THERE'S LIKE PLAN. I'M SORRY. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND I'M ASSUMING ALSO THAT THERE'S LIKE WHEN, WHEN THE CITY IS DECIDING HOW TO SPEND TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS, IF THEY LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, LIKE WHEN YOU WERE IDENTIFYING GREATEST NEEDS FOR ROADWAYS, THAT, UM, IF THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT THAT WOULD INCREASE ITS PRIORITY IN TERMS OF FUNDING FOR A ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, IS THAT ACCURATE? I HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE. I, YES, I'M SURE THAT THAT IS PART OF THE RUBRIC IN TERMS OF HOW THEY CALCULATE THAT. BUT, UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD TO TELL YOU HOW THEY ARE PRIORITIZED FROM A BOND PERSPECTIVE. YES. CERTAINLY THAT SAFETY GOES INTO IT CRASHED DATA, UM, FROM A DEVELOPMENT CONTRIBUTION, WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT IS HAVING ON THE ROADWAY AND ANYTHING THAT WE ASK OF THEM HAS TO BE PROPORTIONATE TO THAT IMPACT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN I ALSO HAVE SECOND. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN I WANTED TO ASK, UH, THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, THE MFR VERSUS TWO IS ENTIRELY ABOUT HEIGHT. UM, IT'S NOT ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER OR, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF UNIT COUNTS THAT THEY JUST WANTED EXTRA HEIGHT TO POSSIBLY INCREASE ONE OR TWO BUILDINGS, UM, AND GET, UH, SOME EXTRA UNITS THAT WAY. CAN THEY CONFIRM THAT OR COMMENT ON THAT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS JAY SICKER WITH DUNAWAY. UH, YES, THAT IS THE CASE. UM, IT WOULD WORK PRETTY WELL. UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, JAKE IS ONE OF THE DRESS MORE ABOUT THAT. YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS IT AND I COULDN'T GET OFF MUTE. CAN [01:10:01] YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, YES. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY, IT JUST THE FUNCTION OF THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD EARLIER AND THIS DISCUSSION JUST ABOUT LACK OF AVAILABLE SITES. I MEAN, REALLY FOR US, YOU KNOW, WE SEE, WE KIND OF SEE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DEVELOP THIS SITE AND, YOU KNOW, PUT APPROXIMATELY 200 FAMILIES AND GIVE THEM A QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT THEY OTHERWISE MAY NOT HAVE. AND THE REQUESTS FOR THE FOUR IS REALLY JUST A FUNCTION OF HEIGHT, UM, REQUEST IS TO JUST GET THAT HEIGHT. SO MAYBE WE CAN DO A LITTLE EXTRA DENSITY ON THE SITE AND PUSH IT OVER 200 UNITS. UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY ALL IT WAS. OKAY. UM, AND I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT IF FOR CAN IMPROVE F TWO, WE SHOULD APPROVE HIM AT FOUR, UH, THAT THE, THE HEIGHT WILL MOSTLY BE AWAY FROM, UH, ANY NEIGHBORHOODS IN TERMS OF THE CONCERN ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. LIKE MOST OF THE FLOOD PLAIN IS BETWEEN IT AND OTHERS WHERE THE BUILDINGS WILL BE IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND IF THAT ALLOWS 20 OR 30 MORE FAMILIES, PEOPLE WILL LIVE IN AUSTIN. UM, I WOULD STRONGLY WANT TO DO AND MY FLOOR. AND I THINK WE CAN, EVEN IF WE WANT TO ADD, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS THAT BRING IT DOWN TO MF TWO FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT HEIGHT, UM, SOPHIA, YOU KNOW, UNIT COUNT AND PREVIOUS COVER, WE CAN DO THAT IN MF TOO, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A LOT OF THEM TO HAVE THEM AFFORDABLE HEIGHT. SO MY COMMENTS, THANK YOU. ARE MY THOUGHTS ARE AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. SO I'M GOING DOWN THIS LIST OF HANDS RAISED. SO I HAVE COMMISSIONER KING GREENBERG, AND THEN RAY ON MY LITTLE LIST. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE THIS, THIS, UH, INCOME OF LOW-INCOME HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR, UH, FOR OUR FAMILIES THAT NEED IT, BUT, UH, IT STILL IS NOT GOING TO GO DEEP ENOUGH TO HIM TO REALLY HELP THE LOW INCOME BLACK AND LATINO FAMILIES IN AUSTIN, BELIEVE IT OR NOT BECAUSE THEIR INCOME LEVELS ARE HALF OF WHAT THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME LEVEL IS FOR WHITE FAMILIES IN AUSTIN, HALF LESS THAN HALF. AND SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE SAY AFFORDABILITY, AND THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THESE LOW INCOME TAX CREDIT FINANCING. IT SEEMS LIKE THESE PROJECTS ALWAYS END UP OR MOSTLY END UP IN EAST AUSTIN. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW I'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS BEFORE ALL THE LAND IS CHEAPER. WELL, DOES THAT MAKE IT OKAY TO JUST IGNORE EQUITY BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER AND THEN THIS LOCATION, I AGREE. I WANT TO MAKE AS MANY PLACES AS I CAN FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES, AS MANY PLACES AS WE CAN, BUT NOT IN HARM'S WAY. SO TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO PUT MORE FAMILIES IN HARM'S WAY. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO BE TAKING AS MUCH CONCERN ABOUT THE LOW INCOME FAMILIES, THEIR ACCESS TO TRANSIT, WHICH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE GOOD ACCESS AT THIS LOCATION AND NOT FOR AWHILE AND MASS TRANSIT. DID HAVE YOU SEEN THE ROUTE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WALK? AND YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE CONCERN ABOUT THE SAFETY WALKING ON BRANT ROAD TO GET TO THE BUS STOP. THESE ARE LOW INCOME FAMILIES THAT ARE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE RICH TRANSIT AVAILABLE FOR THESE FAMILIES SO THEY CAN USE MASS TRANSIT. WE CAN ALL USE MASS TRANSIT, NOT JUST LOW INCOME FAMILIES. SO I'M CONCERNED IN MANY ASPECTS ABOUT THIS. ALTHOUGH I WAS VERY, VERY INITIALLY HAPPY ABOUT HAVING ALL OF THE UNITS, INCOME RESTRICTED, ALL OF THEM. THIS IS THE KIND OF PROJECT I WISH WE COULD DO IN WEST AUSTIN MORE. AND IN FACT, WE HAVE ANOTHER CASE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT I WISHED WE WERE AT THIS THERE, ANOTHER LOCATION IN AUSTIN, THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT LOCATION. WHY NOT THERE? SO IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THESE LOCATIONS NEAR FLOODPLAINS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WANT TO PUT THIS LOW INCOME HOUSING ON BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER. AND WHEN IT SQUEEZES MANY UNITS, AS WE CAN TO MAKE IT VIABLE FOR THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THOSE ARE RIGHT WRONG PRIORITIES HERE. AND I'M NOT SPEAKING AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE THAT'S MORE COMMITTED TO THAT. THEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO COMPARE MYSELF TO ANYONE ELSE, BUT I AM STRONGLY COMMITTED TO THAT. AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT, BUT WE NEED, I THINK SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY, THEIR SAFETY SHOULD BE A PRIORITY. AND YOU KNOW, WHY NOT LOOK AT MF TWO AND GO WITH THE AFFORDABILITY UNLOCK PROGRAM. MAYBE THERE ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS TO GET SOME, UH, LONG-TERM INCOME, RESTRICTED QUALITY HOUSING HERE, MAYBE FEWER UNITS, QUALITY HOUSING. SO I'M MORE INCLINED TO GO WITH AN MF ONE OR TWO AND, AND LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS THERE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON SITE. I'M [01:15:01] JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. AND THE, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE EIGHT DEVELOPABLE ACRES HERE OUT OF, OUT OF THIS SITE. IS THAT CORRECT? ROUGHLY EIGHT DEVELOPABLE ACRES. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAID BEFORE, ROUGHLY, AND I CAN CONFIRM THAT OR STAFF, UH, THIS IS WENDY ROSE AT 10 DEVELOPABLE ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. 10 DEVELOPABLE ACRES. AND SO IF WE DID, I DID JUST GIVE SOME ROUGH NUMBERS. IF WE DID AND AFFORDABILITY UNLOCKED, THEY COULD GET 240 UNITS, A 204 UNITS. THEY'RE 204 UNITS UNDER MF ONE. AND YES, THAT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT. BUT IN THIS CASE, I'D RATHER HAVE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND LESS IMPERVIOUS COVER. SO WE COULD USE THIS. SO I'M TRYING TO SEEK WAYS TO GET, TO CHECK ALL THE BOXES, SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY, TRANSIT ACCESS FOR RICH TRANSIT ACCESS FOR THESE FAMILIES AND QUALITY HOUSING. THAT'S SAFE FOR THEM. I THINK WE CAN WORK MORE AND GET THERE, GET THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET ON THIS. THANK YOU, MICHELLE GREENBERG, AND THEN RAY. UM, SO FIRST I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. RHODES. UM, IT'S KIND OF SURPRISING WHEN WE SEE A RECOMMENDATION THAT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH IMAGINE AUSTIN, UM, ISN'T IT REQUIRED AREN'T ZONING REGULATIONS REQUIRED TO BE ADOPTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND IF THIS IS OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH IMAGINE AUSTIN, ARE WE VIOLATING? WOULD WE BE VIOLATING THE TEXAS STATE LAW? UH, NO. THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT IS THE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING SECTION THAT WAS WRITTEN BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR MF FOUR ZONING. UH, HOWEVER, THE, UH, THE OVERALL STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR MSU, BUT I'M SORRY, THAT'S NOT CLEAR IN THE BACKUP. HOWEVER, THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT MAKE IT OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH, IMAGINE AUSTIN ARE STILL TRUE, EVEN IF IT'S MF TOO, IS THAT RIGHT? I WILL HAVE TO TAKE THIS BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING GROUP, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, FOR PERHAPS A MODIFICATION OF THESE COMMENTS, LIKE I SAID, THEY WERE WRITTEN FOR THE ADVOCATES INITIALLY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST OF MF FOUR. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO I'M KIND OF WITH COMMISSIONER KING IN THAT I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE FAMILIES LOW-INCOME OR NOT PUT IN HARM'S WAY. THIS IS A DANGEROUS ROAD AND A SITE THAT'S BASICALLY SURROUNDED BY THE FLOOD FLOODPLAIN ON THREE SIDES. THERE'S BEEN BUYOUTS. I'M NOT GOOD WITH DIRECTION. SO I'LL SAY THERE'S BEEN BUYOUTS TO THE LEFT AND BUYOUTS TO THE RIGHT OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE , YOU'RE PUTTING PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY. IF YOU ALLOW HOUSING HERE, THE, THE PROPOSAL IS GREAT, UM, TO USE THOSE TAX CREDITS, BUT I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE FIRST SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION, IT'S THE WRONG PLACE. SO I'M GOING TO OPPOSE THIS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER RAY, AND THEN ACOSTA. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WILL BE POSSIBLE IN THE FALL VERSUS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF HIM OF TWO. OKAY. YES. OKAY. NOW WE'RE LOSING YOU START OVER. CAN YOU HEAR ME? IS THE JAKE AT ALL THE JAY? CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. YEAH. SO, UM, SO IF WE DID THE MF FOUR DESIGNATION, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE JUST OVER 200, WHICH IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A ROUGH CONCEPTUAL PLAN AT 203 UNITS. I [01:20:01] THINK IF WE, IF WE WENT IN UP TO ARE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE 180 5, 1 90 RANGE, UM, TO BE HONEST, I, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR OF US VERSUS IN THAT TWO IS NOT, IT'S NOT A DEAL BREAKER FOR US BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. UH, YOU KNOW, IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO LOOK UPON IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE THINK MF TWO IS MORE APPROPRIATE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE HAPPY WITH THAT AND COULD MAKE IT WORK. IT WOULD NOT BE A DEAL BREAKER. OKAY. THANKS FOR THAT. UM, SO HEARING THAT AND ALSO TALKING ABOUT LOCATION, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UM, FIRST IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD ENOUGH AND WHAT AN IDEAL SITE WOULD BE. AND I WISH THAT AUSTIN WAS A BLANK CANVAS. UM, AND I WISH THAT WE COULD SAY THIS IS OKAY, BUT LET'S DO BETTER. UM, THE REALITY IS WE'RE WORKING IN LIKE A VERY CHALLENGING REAL ESTATE MARKET WHERE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS AVAILABLE AND WHAT IS THE BEST WE CAN DO THERE. UM, SO TONIGHT I'M IN FAVOR OF EITHER MS OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, IF WE NEED THAT, UM, TO GET VOTES GIVEN THAT, UM, IF WE DON'T BUILD THIS HERE, THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE GOING TO GET CONSTRUCTED IN WEST AUSTIN. AND THAT JUST MEANS THAT THIS WILL REMAIN INTERIM RURAL RESIDENTIAL. UM, I THINK THE OTHER BIG PICTURE POINT ABOUT LOCATION EFFICIENCY HERE IS THAT, UM, THIS IS A TAX CREDIT PROJECT. SO, UM, THE FUNDING COMES DOWN THROUGH THE STATE, THROUGH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. UM, THAT MEANS THESE ARE TAX CREDITS THAT AREN'T JUST LIKE DESIGNATED FOR AUSTIN. UM, LDG COULD BUILD A PROJECT IN HADOOP IN BASTROP. UM, WHEN WE SAY THERE'S NO SPACE TO BUILD AN AUSTIN, OR WE CAN DO BETTER THAN WE'RE DOING THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE END UP WITH A PROJECT IN WEST AUSTIN, MORE LIKELY IT MEANS THAT WE GO SOMEWHERE CHEAPER AND WE PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AREAS THAT ARE EVEN FURTHER FROM THE CITY'S CORE, FROM OPPORTUNITIES AND FROM SERVICES. AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE MORE IMPORTANT TRADE-OFF HERE. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S ALL THE MORE IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. UM, WE KNOW IT'S NOT PERFECT. I SHARE MANY OF THE CONCERNS, BUT I THINK, UM, WE DO BETTER BY DOING THIS YEAR. AND I THINK ALSO THAT, UM, WE HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE A SAFER ROADWAY ENVIRONMENT, UM, THROUGH MITIGATION AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN, UH, COMMISSIONER KOSTA. AND THEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, WE'LL BE READY TO GO. NOPE, RAISE YOUR HANDS. CAN YOU PUT YOUR LITTLE HAND GUY ON IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, WOW GUYS, THIS IS A, THIS IS AN INTENSE ONE. HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ADD JUST TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD. IT'D BE GREAT IF WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE TO FOLLOW THE, IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS FAR AS HOW THINGS ARE DEVELOPED, BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE A LOT DENSER DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS THAT WE DID ALL THE TIME. I THINK THE REASON WE DON'T SEE A GREATER VARIETY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS COMING UP IT'S BECAUSE WE KEEP DENYING THEM. HONESTLY, IT'S, IT'S FRUSTRATING TO HEAR THEM COME UP AS OFTEN AS THEY DO AND FINDING REASONS FOR WHY THEY SHOULDN'T EXIST OR WHY WE CAN DO BETTER, BUT THEN DON'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL. AND THIS IS MORE JUST PERSONAL FRUSTRATION THAN AN OBJECTIVE LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE THE REASON THIS WASN'T WITHIN THE ALIGNMENT OF THE NATIONAL ACTION PLAN IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT QUITE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF A, OF A, OF A KANSAS STYLE. IT'S A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF THAT. AND IT IS A ROAD THAT IS SUBSTANDARD. IT IS AN AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING TO GET A LOT OF BIKERS OR A LOT OF WALKERS ALONG IT, EVEN WITH THE SIDEWALK. SO NO DISAGREEMENTS ON THAT. HOWEVER, WHAT WOULD GO THERE IN ITS PLACE WOULD BE A COUPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR NOTHING AT ALL. AND IN BOTH OF THOSE INSTANCES, YOU DON'T REACH ANYONE TRYING TO GET A PLACE IN AUSTIN AND PROVIDING THEM A PLACE TO LIVE. YES, WE NEED TO BUILD HOMES FOR PEOPLE MAKING 50% OR 30% OF THEM MFI, BUT, YOU KNOW, SHOW ME, SHOW ME WHERE THAT FUNDING COMES FROM AND WE SHOULD VOTE FOR IT NOT DENIED BECAUSE IT ISN'T THAT I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT PEOPLE CLOSER INTO THE CITY WHO OTHERWISE WILL NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO LIVE HERE, PERIOD. AND SO IT IS A VOTE OF WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE SHOULD GET A CHANCE TO LIVE HERE. OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AND IS IT GOING TO BE SAFE FOR THEM? IS IT THE BEST QUALITY FOR THEM? WE ARE GETTING, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AS MR. SMITH SAID WITH HIS QUESTION IS WE'RE NOT PUTTING THEM IN HARM'S WAY. WE'RE NOT PUTTING THEM IN, IN A DANGEROUS SPOT. WE'RE PUTTING THE DEVELOPER IN A POSITION WHERE HE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS NOT THE CASE AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AROUND OR WHO ARE ALREADY AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND PARTICIPANTS WHO HAVE CALLED IN TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT THIS HERE, THEY LIVE IN THE SAME AREA. AND THEY, [01:25:01] I IMAGINE, DO NOT FEEL THE NEED TO MOVE. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE FUTURE WILL BRING US, AND IT WILL BRING US FAR MORE PEOPLE LIVING HERE AND IT'S DECIDING WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE WE ALLOWING TO LOOK IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THIS WILL GET DEVELOPED SOME WAY DOWN THE ROAD. AND I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS FOR A GREATER DIVERSITY OF FOLK. AND AGAIN, IS THIS A CONTENTIOUS THING, AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET EVERYONE ON BOARD FOR EVERYTHING. BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S COMPROMISE TO BE STRUCK. I THINK MF TWO ACTUALLY IS THE BETTER, IS THE BETTER WAY TO GO WITH THIS. EVEN IF MFR WAS THE BEST, WAS THE BEST, HIGHEST, UH, WAY TO GET ACROSS IT. I THINK THAT THIS AREA ISN'T DEVELOPED ENOUGH AND THERE ISN'T ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA TO BENEFIT EMMA FOR. SO I THINK IS THE BETTER WAY TO GO. SO I WOULD ASK US TO GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I FEEL IT IS A WAY TO GET THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA AT THE MOST APPROPRIATE LEVEL, WITHIN THE BEST ENVIRONMENT AND IN A WAY THAT GIVES THE, A DEVELOPER MORE FLEXIBILITY TO PROVIDE THE SAFETY AND ABILITY TO AVOID FLOODPLAIN RISKS AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE THERE SAFELY AND INEQUALITY DAY ONE. SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE. YEAH, NO, SUPER DONE. JUST THE ONE THING I HAVE, ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT I THINK WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN WOULD BE LIVING IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, AND WE SEEM TO BE LACKING IN THAT QUALITY OF ALL OVER THE PLACE I'M DONE NOW. SO THAT'S OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. I HAVE RAY HAS SPOKEN, SO I'M GOING TO GO THOMPSON DINKLER OR DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND STILL UP OR DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE? OKAY, SO THOMPSON THINKER. YEAH, I'LL BE QUICK AND I'M REALLY MOVED AND I HATE TO FOLLOW THAT SPEECH BECAUSE IT WAS VERY ELOQUENT. AND, UM, I JUST WANNA MENTION THOUGH, THE OTHER THING WE KNOW IS COMING TO AUSTIN IS MORE FLOODING AND, UM, CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL AND, UH, THE MODELS ARE PREDICTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE KINDS OF FLOODS. WE USED TO SEE EVERY HUNDRED YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO SEE THEM EVERY 10 YEARS. AND, AND, UH, THE INTENSITY IS, UM, PROBABLY BEYOND WHAT WE CAN IMAGINE RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S ONE THING TO PLAN FOR THE CURRENT FLOODPLAINS. IT'S ANOTHER TO PLAN FOR THE REALITY OF WHAT'S COMING. AND, AND I ACTUALLY CHANGED MY OPINION LISTENING TONIGHT, AND I THOUGHT THIS PROJECT WAS REALLY, UM, I WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT, BUT NOW UNDERSTANDING A LITTLE BIT MORE, HOW IT'S POSITIONED. I DON'T FEEL IT'S A RESPONSIBLE PLACE TO DEVELOP, AND I DON'T FEEL AT THE RESPONSIBLE PLACE TO SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS, UH, THAT ARE SET ASIDE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, AND COULD BE PUT IN A PLACE THAT, UM, COULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND SAFE. AND, AND SO ANYWAY, I JUST, I WANTED TO, UH, SHARE THAT PERSPECTIVE ALSO ON THE MODELING FOR FLOODING. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DINKLER AND THEN RAY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UH, I HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT HOW THE 4% TAX CREDITS WORK, UM, WHILE, UM, IS I CAN RELAY HIS CONVERSATION AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO ASK HIM IF, UM, ANYONE, IF I'M NOT ANYONE THINKS I'M NOT RELAYING IT ACCURATELY, BUT HE WAS INDICATING THEY'RE LESS COMPETITIVE. AND WHAT I'M SEEING ON THE LIST AT THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IN THE MONTH OF JUNE, THERE WERE 75 APPLICATIONS. AUSTIN HAD EIGHT OR NINE OF THEM, AND IT LOOKED LIKE GOING BACK THAT THOSE MADE IT ON THE LIST AND THEY JUST FUND AS EVERYTHING WORKS ITSELF THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE RISKING LOSING THE 4%. I DON'T THINK AUSTIN IS NECESSARILY LOSING THE 4%. UM, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON THE ROAD, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, THE, THE FLOODING AND I APPRECIATE, UM, COMMISSIONER SMITH'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE DRAINING DRAIN PATTERNS, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REAL TOUGH TO GET THAT ROAD ADDRESSED AND WIDENED. UM, PRIMARILY BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL HAVE THE DENSITY AT TO MAKE IT TO THE CIP LIST, UM, EVEN WITH THE LOCALIZED FLOODING THAT IT, THAT IT HAS. UM, AND I THINK IT'S A BAD SETUP, UM, AS IT [01:30:01] IS THE NO STREET LIGHTING, NO, UM, SIDEWALK BEYOND, UM, THE LIMITS OF THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE DEVELOPED BEFORE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, HE WILL TAKE PLACE. AND I DID LOOK AT THE CIP LIST AND BRANDT WASN'T ON IT. UM, SO I HAVE TO ADMIT I'M LEAVING NO MF ONE. I'D LOVE TO HEAR A LITTLE MORE ABOUT AFFORDABILITY A LOT, BUT I'M, I EVEN AM HESITATING ABOUT THE MF TWO. UM, UH, AND THE ONE OTHER THING I WILL TELL YOU, UM, THE LIST I WAS LOOKING AT WITH TAKATA IS IT WAS SHOWING THAT, UH, IT WASN'T ALL JUST, UM, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THE LOCATIONS WERE EVERYWHERE, BUT I COULDN'T TOTALLY TELL, UH, NO ADDRESSES ON THE LIST. THAT'S IT FOR ME? OKAY. COMMISSIONER RAY. UM, THE FLOODING CONVERSATION IS KIND OF FRUSTRATING TOO, BECAUSE WE AREN'T FLOODING EXPERTS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF US MAKE A SOLID EFFORT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL STAFF. UH, THIS ISN'T THE END OF THE PROCESS SAYING THAT WE THINK THIS SITE IS, UM, NOT GOING TO HAVE FLOODING PROBLEMS OR LIKE WE WERE APPROVING IT FOR THIS LEVEL OF DENSITY, REGARDLESS OF FLOODING. LIKE, THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR JOB IS. OUR JOB IS TO FIGURE OUT THE ZONING. UM, AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE IF YOU HAVE THE ZONING AND YOU MEET ALL THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, AND PART OF ALL THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS IS A VERY THOROUGH AND EXTENSIVE, UH, PROCESS FOR LIKE THE CHECKING WITH FLOODING AND, AND WHEN STAFF, AND THEY CAN VETO IT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GRANT THE ZONING AND IF THE FLOODING DOESN'T WORK, IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT SAFE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T BUILD, LIKE, IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY CAN BUILD, REGARDLESS. WE'RE SAYING THAT THE ZONING IS APPROPRIATE, IF YOU CAN BEAT ALL THESE OTHER CONDITIONS. AND ONE OF THOSE OTHER CONDITIONS IS STAFF HAS VERY EXTENSIVE REQUIREMENTS ON NOT BUILDING IN FLOOD PLAINS AND PROVIDING MITIGATION FOR FLOODING. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE, I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, JUST CAUSE THERE'S FLOODING IN THE AREA GENERALLY DOES NOT MEAN THIS SITE IS RISKY OR, UM, MORE, MORE LIKELY TO GET FLOODED, UH, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MORE REGULATIONS NOW. LIKE OUR REGULATIONS NOW ARE A LOT STRICTER THAN THEY USED TO BE 30, 40 YEARS AGO ABOUT FLOODING. UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING NOW THAT'S IN PLACES THAT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW TO BE BUILT NOW. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BY ALLOWING MORE HOUSING TO BE BUILT NOW IS ESPECIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING LIKE THIS, OR LIKELY EVEN HELPING MAYBE BRING SOME PEOPLE OUT OF THAT HOUSING. MAYBE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE DISPLACED FROM THOSE FLOOD BIAS WILL BE ABLE TO BUY, UH, YOU KNOW, GET A HOUSING IN THIS THAT THEY WOULD NOT ABLE TO OTHERWISE THEY WOULD BE COMPLETELY GONE FROM AUSTIN. UM, SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE US TO NOT TO TRUST STEP STAFF ON THE, ON THE, THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE. UM, AND NOT JUST, UH, UH, KIND OF VAGUE GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT FLOODING. I MEAN, I DEFINITELY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T CARE ABOUT FLOODING, BUT IT MEANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT OBJECTIVELY. UM, UH, I ALSO REALLY LIKE WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER RAY HAD TO SAY ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING IN DIFFERENT COUNTIES. AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE CENSUS NUMBERS, UM, AND IT HAZING WILLIAMSON COUNTY, UM, TO TWO OF THE FIVE, FIVE FASTEST GROWING COUNTIES IN, UM, UH, TEXAS, UH, TOP FIVE CURRENT COUNTIES LIKE AUSTIN'S TRAVIS COUNTY IS AROUND 30%, BUT HAYES AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY ARE BOTH AT 50% GROWTH RIGHT NOW. SO, AND IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE A LITTLE BRIEF GLANCING AT SOME OF THE CENSUS NUMBERS ON A WINDOW WHERE PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE MOVING. UM, AND A LOT OF IT IS TOO LIKE WILLIAMSON COUNTY OR, OR EVEN IN PLACES LIKE, UH, PFLUGERVILLE WITH TRAVIS. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S MOST OF THE GROWTH FOR OUR PEOPLE OF COLOR, YOU KNOW, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IS, YOU KNOW, NOT IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN. UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, IN MY IDEAL WORLD, IT WOULD BE THIS KIND OF HOUSING WOULD BE ALL OVER CENTRAL AUSTIN. UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY OUR POLITICS, OUR CURRENT ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW THAT WE RESERVE MOST OF AUSTIN FOR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, AND FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO KEEP THAT WAY. AND THIS IS NATURAL CONSEQUENCES. WE ARE STUCK WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF AUSTIN LIKE THIS, UM, OR IN ANOTHER COUNTY. UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, THIS OBVIOUSLY IS NOT PERFECT, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD. UM, AND I WOULD, DON'T WANT TO MAKE PERFECT THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD HERE. UM, CAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A CRISIS. UH, HOUSING IS Y'ALL, WE'VE SEEN HOUSING CRISIS GROW INCREDIBLY THE LAST YEAR. UH, THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, I FEEL SOMETIMES I EVEN FEEL LIKE AUSTIN ZONING CASES OR REARRANGING DECK CHAIRS ON THE TITANIC, UM, WITH HOW BAD IT IS. IT KNOW VERY DEPRESSING WHERE AUSTIN JUST RIGHT NOW, TERESA HOUSING. SO, UM, I SEE AS 200 PEOPLE, FAMILIES [01:35:01] GETTING HOUSING THAT ARE NOT LIKELY TO GET HOUSING OTHERWISE. UM, SO, UH, I DID HAVE ONE, I DID WANT TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND WITH TRANSPORTATION STAFF AND SEE IF YOU DID HAVE A CHANCE TO GLANCE AT, UM, ROAD EXPANSION HERE. UM, THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE? UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK I'VE TRUST STAFF AT THE FLOODING. UM, I UNSURE ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION, NOT BECAUSE I DON'T TRUST STAFF, BUT BECAUSE I KNOW IT JUST KNOWING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AND SOMETIMES CONSTRAINTS AND WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON ROSEANNE BRENT TO EXPAND OR FIX THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THEY'RE ABLE TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. HI, THIS IS AMBER HITCHINS, I'M NOT CAPABLE OF COLLECTING THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO YOU LATER AND GIVE YOU A REPORT. OKAY. AND THEN MAYBE THAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR IF THIS GOES TO COUNCIL, UM, WOULD HELP INFORM THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ISSUE. SO ANYWAY, WITH ALL THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL PASS, BUT I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD. I WANT TO OFFER THIS ANYWAY, AS I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION FOR, UM, NF FOR, UH, ZONING, UH, WITH, UH, CONDITIONS. I'M NOT SURE IF IS A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, BUT LIKE LIMITING WITH THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IN, UH, UM, IN PREVIOUS COVERING OTHER LIMITS OR SAY LIMITING IMPERVIOUS COVER AND, UH, THE, UH, UNIT COUNT TO MF TWO LEVELS, BUT ALLOWING A HEIGHT FOR HIM AT FOUR. SO I GUESS I'M AT FOUR WITH, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD LIKE TO LIMIT THEM, HAVE TO WIN OPEN IT THAT, BUT THAT'S MY MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RAY AND I STILL HAVE SOME OTHER FOLKS WITH THEIR HANDS UP. YEP. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER. UH, VICE CHAIR. COLOSSAE YEAH. HEY, I WAS WONDERING IF FORMER COMMISSIONER AND FORMER, UM, FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE MEMBER, UM, ON A GEARY IF SHE'S STILL ON, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE, AND EXCUSE ME, MY NEIGHBOR'S DOG IS BARKING, UM, IS THIS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE HER INSIGHT WOULD COME IN HANDY BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT I LEARNED ABOUT FLOOD MITIGATION IS AN FLOOD PLAINS IS FROM HER. SO ANA, ARE YOU THERE OR IS IT ANDREW? IS ANA THERE? OR I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. DO PEOPLE HANG ON? THINK SO, ANDREW, IS SHE THERE? YEAH, I WAS WONDERING WHAT SHE, I ACTUALLY WAS JUST WONDERING, I WOULD LIKE HER TO EXPAND MORE ON THE WATER, UH, ON THE FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT SHE THINKS SHOULD BE DONE WITH THIS SITE. AND AS IT FITS INTO THE WHOLE FLOOD MITIGATION, UM, FINDINGS THAT THEY ALL DISCOVERED. YEAH. SO OUR EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, ONION CREEK, AND THIS IS A MASSIVE WATERSHED AND FEES UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS AT IN BLANCO. SO WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS YOU NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT EVERYTHING, THE BUILDUP OF RAIN STARTS IN BLANCO COUNTY GO THROUGH HAYS COUNTY AND INCEPT IN TRAVIS COUNTY. BY THE TIME THAT THAT LEVEL OF WATER REACHES US. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IN 2013, WHEN I WAS LEAVING MY HOME AT SIX 40 IN THE MORNING, THAT WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY SO THAT I COULD BEAT THE TRAFFIC. THERE WAS NO INDICATION OF ANY HAZARD. THERE WERE NUMEROUS POLICE VEHICLES THAT WERE DRIVING, NOT TOWARDS ME, BUT THEY WERE DRIVING TOWARDS THE LOUVER ONION CREEK AREA. I DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING, BUT THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT. I HAD NO IDEA THAT AT THAT TIME WE WERE BEING FLOODED PEOPLE WHEN THEY WOKE UP AND STEPPED, PUT THEIR FEET ON THE FLOOR, THEY STEPPED INTO WATER. THERE WAS NO INDICATION THAT THERE WAS A FLASH FLOOD AND THERE WAS ABOUT TO BE A LOSS OF LIFE. I CAN ALSO SHARE WITH YOU AND I NEED TO PLEASE LISTEN. THOSE OF US THAT ARE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, WE'RE TIRED OF BEING COMPROMISED. WE SHOULDN'T NOT HAVE TO PICK BETWEEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR LIVES. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PICK [01:40:01] BETWEEN BEING ABLE TO AFFORD MY RENTAL PAYMENT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD RENTER'S INSURANCE, TO COVER THE LOSS OF ANYTHING OR THE LOSS OF THE LIFE OF MY CHILD OR THE LOSS OF MY OWN LIFE. THAT SHOULD NOT BE NEGOTIABLE, PLEASE. I AM A PERSON OF COLOR AS A SINGLE WOMAN. WHEN I MOVED TO AUSTIN, I HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE WAS FLASH FLOODING AHEAD AT THAT TIME, EIGHT TO FOUR AND A SIX-YEAR-OLD. TELL ME HOW I AM GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING RENTER'S INSURANCE, OR IF I AM LUCKY TO BUY A HOME AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, I WAS NOT ABLE TO BUY A HOME. AS WHEN I MOVED HERE, THE ONLY OPTION I HAD WAS IN SOUTHEAST AUSTIN. WHEN I SERVE ON THE FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE, THE MOST INFURIATING, IF NOT HEARTBREAKING, COMMENT THAT WAS MADE TO ME WAS BY ANOTHER COLLEAGUE ON THE FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE THAT SAID, AT LEAST I HAD THE SENSE TO BUY UP APPEAL JUST BECAUSE WE'RE POOR IN ALL THEIR RISK LIFT OR SUBSTANDARD LOCATIONS, SUBSTANDARD HOUSING, WE SHOULD NOT BE SUBJECTED TO THAT. I'M GETTING VERY EMOTIONAL. I NEED TO SHARE WITH YOU. WHEN 2013 HAPPENED, I WAS DRIVING AROUND KNOWING ACQUAINTED OCCURRED, ASSISTING THE DAMAGE. AND I DROVE UP ON THE BLUFF SPRINGS ROAD. I KNEW A MOTHER AND CHILD WERE MISSING. I ALSO SAW VEHICLES THAT WERE NO LONGER RESPONDING WITH SIRENS. THEY WERE RESPONDING WITHOUT ANY SIRENS. AND YOU HIT THAT POINT IN CASE WE'RE NO LONGER A RESCUE. THEY WERE NOW A RECOVERY, PLEASE, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE POOR DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD BE TREATED POORLY. PLEASE PUT US IN SAFE LOCATIONS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE POOR. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WALK ON ROADS WITH SOD SIDEWALKS. YES. ONE PORTION MAY HAVE A SIDEWALK, BUT THE REST DOESN'T, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE SUBJECTED TO THAT. I CANNOT SPEAK ANYMORE ABOUT PLEASE LISTEN TO US. WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME ACCESS. I GOT LUCKY, BUT THERE'S STILL MANY PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT WHEN THEY STARTED, WHEN I STARTED, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION. THEY WERE STUCK WITH WHAT THEY HAD. AND ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR EQUAL PROTECTION. PLEASE, WE'RE ASKING FOR EQUAL PROTECTION, WHETHER IT'S FLOODING, WHETHER IT'S TRANSPORTATION. I KNOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IMPORTANT. BELIEVE ME, I TRIED TO FIND IT. I WAS STUCK WITH WHAT I HAD, BUT PLEASE PROTECT US. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. SO, UM, I SERVED ON THE FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. I HAD TO LEARN A LOT OF THINGS. UM, WE HAD TO LEARN SOME THINGS ABOUT THE WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT. THEIR MISSION IS PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT MONEY SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING. THIS HOUSING SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING IT. WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT PROTECTION. THE PROTECTION APPLIES SHOULD BE DRIVING THIS SO I CAN ONLY EMPLOY YOU TO PLEASE TAKE CARE OF US. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? KOBASA NO. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. LET'S HEAR FROM DANGLER AND THEN SMITH. THAT'S HOW I HAVE YOU ON MY LIST. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT MY HAND WAS DOWN SO I MUST'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG. SO COMMISSIONER SMITH? YES. ALL RIGHT. YOU WOULDN'T KNOW ME. I KNOW I WAS TRYING TO, BUT I ALSO PUT ON THE FLOOD MITIGATION WITH COMMISSIONER. AGREE. ALL RIGHT. LET ME TELL ME FROWN. WE GOT A MAP BUDDY, IN HARM'S WAY WITH PEOPLE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE NOT IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN COMMISSIONER SMITH AND CHEMISTRY LIAISON. IF YOU CAN SPEAK LOUDER INTO YOUR MICROPHONE, [01:45:01] WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AS BETTER. OKAY, PERFECT. OKAY. SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAVE THE SCREEN OVER HERE AND THE MICROPHONE OVER HERE. UM, I, HAVEN'T GONE TO FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE WITH COMMISSIONER GARY, UNDERSTAND WHERE HE'S COMING FROM. THE CITY OF AUSTIN STAFF WILL NOT PUT PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY AND THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT. THE HOMES THAT FLOODED ARE IN THE CURRENT FLOODPLAIN, UM, THEY WERE NOT, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN WHEN THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT. SO TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND STAFF WILL NOT PUT PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. THIS WON'T BE DEVELOPED IN THE FEMA FLOOD, PLAIN, WE'RE ONLY SIDE OF ONION CREEK. UM, IF THERE'S LIKE BETTER SIDE, TO BE HONEST, THE IRD CLASS FIVE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO HIGH 35, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ACROSS ANY BRIDGES OR ALL WATER CROSSINGS TO GET AN EXCAVATE DIRECT EVACUATE OUT OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, WE DESPERATELY NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THESE PROJECTS. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY, BUT WE NEED TO TRUST OUR STAFF TO DO THEIR JOB AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DEVELOP PROJECTS THAT PUT PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY. THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT. I THOUGHT I'VE GOT TO SAY, WELL, I HAVE A COMMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE THAT WE SHOULD VOTE ON. BUT MY COMMENT IS, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO WHAT, UM, BOTH COMMISSIONER SMITH AND FORMER COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY. WE ARE, OUR JOB IS TO NOT ONLY, UM, APPROVE ZONING. THAT MAKES SENSE. GIVEN THE CONTEXT SURROUNDING LAND, USE THE IMAGINE AUSTIN PLAN FOR COMPACT AND CONNECTED COMMUNITIES. MY MAJOR CONCERN IS THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE, UM, PLACING PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A LITTLE OVER HALF A MILE AWAY FROM THE NEAREST BUS STOP WITHOUT A WAY TO GET THERE, BESIDES WALKING IN THE, AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONNECTED SIDEWALK AS PART OF THIS. AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT CAN'T BE, AND WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD, UM, WOULD THEN QUALIFY OR HELP QUALIFY OR, UM, TRANSLATE TO THE TRANSIT IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WOULD THEN TRANSLATE TO THE AMOUNT OR THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, PROPORTION IN AMOUNT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GIVE MORE AND TO BUILD THOSE SIDEWALKS THAT WE NEED. SO THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS DIRECTLY TIED TO THE NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN GET FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE IT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING. UM, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND I DON'T, I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR WHAT IT IS BECAUSE I THINK COMMISSIONER RAY WAS STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT IN THAT HE RE HE REALLY IS PASSIONATE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, AND, AND WANTING TO, TO PROVIDE THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS TO FOLKS. AND I, AND I KNOW THAT HE WANTS THEM TO BE SAFE. AND I KNOW THAT LIKE COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID THAT HE WANTS, HE BELIEVES THAT STAFF WILL FOLLOW THE CODE AND REQUIRE, AND WON'T ALLOW BUILDINGS TO BE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN OR PARKING TO BE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. UM, AND SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF ALL I'M GOING TO SAY FOR NOW, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER KING, AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON THE MOTION. THAT'S ON THE TABLE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO, AS, AS A SECRETARY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT THE MOTION DOWN CORRECTLY. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. SO I THINK THE MOTION WAS, UM, MF FOR, WITH, WELL, ACTUALLY I'LL LET YOU DO IT CROSS YOUR BRAIN, CAUSE I'M NOT SURE. YEAH. AND SO MFR WITH THE, UM, MF TWO LIMIT ON IMPERVIOUS COVER, WHICH I BELIEVE IS SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THE MFT LIMIT ON UNIT COUNT. UM, ACREAGE. UM, AS I SAID, UH, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY REASON THAT THE DEVELOPER HERE WAS LOOKING FOR, UM, AND BEFORE WAS HEIGHT. AND SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING THAT I DON'T THINK THAT YOU, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S TWO THINGS GOING AGAINST EACH OTHER, SO YOU REALLY WANT THE UNITS. SO YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UNITS. RIGHT. I GUESS, I GUESS IT DOESN'T REALLY, I'M NOT SURE ACTUALLY THAT IT REALLY MATTERS BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS ON THE SITES. SO FLEET, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WENT MF FOR, WITH, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVER REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO PEOPLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ANY LIMITS ON IT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET, THAT YOU REFRAME IT TO, EXCEPT FOR OTHER THAN HEIGHT, LIKE, THIS IS THE, THE ONLY REASON WE'RE GOING BEFORE HERE OR I'M, I'M PUSHING FOR HIM AT FOUR. OKAY. SO DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? DOES THAT SOUND LIKE WHAT YOU SECONDED? COMMISSIONER RAY? YES. OKAY. AND THEN I SEE HANDS FROM DINKLER TARA. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I'M SORRY. THE SECRETARY HERE. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT THAT. UH, SO IT'S MF FOR, UH, WITH, UH, EMF TO IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. YES. WE'RE SHORT AND CLEAR. I HOPE I DID IT RIGHT. AM I LEGIBLE? WOULD I, WHEN I RETIRE, I'LL HAVE THIS DOWN. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF BECAUSE MF TWO HAS A [01:50:01] UNIT REQUIREMENTS, UH, IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE EFFICIENCIES FIRST SPREADER IN A SECOND BEDROOMS, UH, TWO BEDROOMS. WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY THOSE BEDROOM COUNTS. SO IF WE'RE TALKING, UM, IF I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, RIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SIZE UNITS OF MF FOR, FOR THE BEDROOM SIZES, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, MR. BROWN WAS SET YOUR INTENTION. OKAY. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO THE DENSITY, RIGHT? HE WANTS THE NUMBER OF UNITS. SO HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE GETTING IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS NOT THE MAXIMUM UNITS PER ACRE IS NOT THE LIMITING FACTOR HERE BECAUSE IT'S MOST OF THE ACRES ISN'T DEVELOPABLE. UM, UH, SO IT'S LIKE MEXICO UNITS. WELL, I'M LOOKING AT, I HAVE TO STANDARDS UP RIGHT NOW, MAXIMUM USE PER ACRE AND MF TWO IS 23 AND AN MF FOUR. IT IS, UH, 35, 6 TO 54. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THOSE ACCOUNTS, UM, UH, BUT I MEAN, I'M WILLING, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER, I'M SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THE LIMITS BETTER THAN I DO. AND THEY SAID IT WAS PURELY HEIGHT. SO, UM, I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD, UM, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, AND I DON'T, I, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE BUDGET THING. JUST MAYBE STACKING COMING ON THAT, BUT YEAH. AND YOU WANT MFR ON THE ENTIRE SITE. WHAT ABOUT IF WE REVERTED THEN MF TOO, WITH THE HEIGHT AS ALLOWED IN MF FOUR OF 'EM THAT WAY. YEAH. AND THEY CLEANED IT UP A LITTLE, BUT I THOUGHT WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. NEVERMIND. YOU CAN GO TO THE HIGHER ZONING AND THEN BACK OFF ON CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THAT HIGHER ZONING OR, OH, BUT YOU CAN'T GO TO A LOWER ZONING IN UP ZONE COMPONENTS OF THAT LOWER ZONING OR INCREASED COMPONENTS OF THAT LOWER ZONING. OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING WITH THE MOTION IS MF FOR, FOR THE, THE DENSITY OF MFR IS 54 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THEN WE ARE ASKING FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER, WHICH I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, WHAT THE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMIT IS, BUT WE'RE ASSUMING THAT IT'S LESS THAN FOR 60% AND THEN BEFORE 70%. OKAY. YEAH. WHEN DO YOU TRY TO SAY ANYTHING? I DID IT'S YES. MF PROBABLY IS COVERED IS 60%. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? YES. JUST ONE LAST THING. IS THAT A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY? IT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT IT CON OR WORDED PROPERLY. WOULD THAT BE IN WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY TO LIMIT THE IMPERVIOUS COVER TO 55%? YES. COMMISSIONER KING THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEN EMOTION IS A MF FOUR WITH A CEO TO LIMIT THE IMPERVIOUS COVER TO 55%. MIGHT NOT BE 60%. I'M SORRY. 60% NOW. APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT. YES. THANKS. 60%. THERE WE GO. OKAY. JUST TO MAKE SURE WITH A CEO TO LIMIT IMPERVIOUS COVER TO 60%. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO WITH IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS OF 50% BY APOLLO, THOSE AGAINST. OKAY. SO THAT'S EVEN SPLITS. UM, DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY? LET ME TRY. JUST STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF MS. STRAIGHT UP. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND COMMISSIONER KOSTA, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION OF AFRICAN MANDATION AND ALL THOSE AGAINST THAT WAS FIVE. OKAY. AND SO ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO CRY? NO. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S MOVE ON TO, THANK YOU. WE DID RELY ON STAFF. AND ONCE THAT COMES UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION, WE NEED TO BELIEVE THAT THEY THINK THAT THAT IS A LEGITIMATE, HONEST WAY TO PROCEED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND NOT GO AGAINST STAFF EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES UP THERE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THAT, THAT WE WENT PRETTY FAST THERE, SO ON THOSE VOTES. SO THE LAST ONE WAS MS. TWO STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND IT WAS FIVE TO FIVE. AND COMMISSIONER SMITH MADE THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER, [01:55:01] UH, KOSTA. SECOND. IT IS THAT RECORD. THANK YOU. SURE. [B.2. Rezoning: C14-2021-0100 - Luby's Site; District 10] OKAY. MOVING ON TO B2. YES. CHAIR COMMISSIONER. HE'S ON ANDREW RIVERA. SO, UM, IF YOU, UH, RECALL, UM, THIS ITEM WAS PERSONALLY HEARD, THE PRESENTATIONS WERE HEARD STAFF PRESENTATION. SO BEFORE HEARING, UM, FROM THOSE, UH, PROVIDING TESTIMONY, IF THE COMMISSION CAN, UM, DECIDE ON HOW MANY MINUTES, UH, TESTIMONY EACH INDIVIDUAL SHOULD BE PROVIDED FOR TESTIMONY. OKAY. HOW MANY SPEAKERS ARE THERE? I BELIEVE WE HAVE FOR SURE. OKAY. SO HOW DO WE, DO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO VOTE OR DO WE JUST, DO I JUST SAY THREE MINUTES SOUNDS REASONABLE. AND EVERYBODY GOES, YES. THEN WE, HOW DO WE DO THAT? THERE'S A, WE HAVE A MOTION. IT'D BE BEST TO HAVE A MOTION. OKAY. COMMISSIONER KING, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS GOING TO GO FOR ALLOWING THEM THE MOST TIME FOR, FOR SPEAKER. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR THREE MINUTES. OKAY. THERE'S A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREENBERG. YES. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. OKAY. THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH UNANIMOUS. COMMISSIONER. BRIAN DINKLER ARE EATING DINNERS. NO, NO. I WAS WRITING NOTES. UM, OKAY. SO, UH, WAS THERE ANY AGAINST THREE MINUTES OR YOU SPRAY AND DINK? ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER? YEAH. WAS SORRY. MY MOM WAS HANDING YOU TINDER. OH, NICE. OKAY. SO YES, BSI BEFORE I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THAT. THE APPLICANT HAD MADE A PRESENTATION. I, UNLESS HE'S HAD NEW INFORMATION. AND THEN WE HAD HEARD FROM MR. HIGGINS BEFORE. SO UNLESS HE HAS NEW INFORMATION, A LITTLE WEIRD WHEN WE, WE CLOSED AND THEN CONTINUED. SO, UM, MY THOUGHT WAS, UH, THOSE TWO, UNLESS THEY HAVE NEW INFORMATION, UM, SURE. SHORT THAT'S JUST PERFECT. NO LIMIT THE DISCUSSION TO ONLY NEW ITEMS. UM, IF WE COULD, YEAH. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS ON. I NEVER, SO UNDER TOMA, UM, AND IT'S A, YOU'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING. THE CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK. SO YOU HAVE TO TREAT THEM EQUALLY WITH EQUAL AMOUNT OF TIME. OKAY. SO THERE WE GO, MATE. YOU VOTE? NO I'M STILL GOING TO VOTE. NO, I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE I, I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK. UM, BUT SO WE'LL MOVE ON AHEAD, UH, WITH, UH, IF THERE'S STILL A STAFF PRESENTATION, DO WE NEED TO REOPEN THE HEARING? HOW DOES THIS WORK? OH, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE. SO WE'LL BEGIN HEARING TESTIMONY. UM, WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE ZONING CASE. SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH MR. MICHAEL WHALEN, MR. WHALEN, IF YOU'LL SELECT STAR SIX AND WE'LL UPLOAD YOUR PRESENTATION SHORTLY. UM, MR. OLAND, PLEASE PROCEED. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MICHAEL WHALEN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE LUBY'S REZONING CASE AT THE INTERSECTION OF MOPAC AND STACK THAT WE PRESENTED TWO WEEKS AGO. AND TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, THAT CAME UP DURING THAT DISCUSSION. FIRST THOUGH, I'D LIKE TO RECAP OUR PRESENTATION FROM LAST WEEK IS YOU RECALL THE CITY HAS SET GOALS FOR HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY AND HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS LIKE NORTHWEST HILLS, EXACTLY THE TYPE OF PLACE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, IN, UH, THE FIRST CASE, HOWEVER PROGRESS IS NEEDED IN DISTRICT 10, WE'RE ALREADY 1,667 UNITS SHORT OF OUR CITY'S GOALS AND FALLING FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND WITH EACH PASSING YEAR. THIS SITE OFFERS A KEY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEXT INCREMENT OF GROWTH. IT IS LOCATED ON THE MOPAC CORRIDOR AT ONE OF ITS EAST-WEST CONNECTIONS ON ONE OF THE FEW CAPITAL METRO ROUTES, IN-DEPTH INDUSTRY 10, AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES, A COMPATIBLE DISTANCE FROM SINGLE-FAMILY. OUR REQUEST FOR MSX WOULD ALLOW THIS NEXT INCREMENT OF GROWTH PROVIDING 275 UNITS AND 28 AFFORDABLE UNITS AT 80% MFI. AND IT IS SUPPORTED BY BOTH STAFF AND THE NORTHWEST AUSTIN CIVIC ASSOCIATION. THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS THIS CASE. NEXT I'D LIKE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT ZAP DISCUSSED ON THIS CASE RELATED TO HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY, THE ENVIRONMENT AND TRANSPORTATION AND NEIGHBORHOOD ITEMS. FIRST STEP, HOW WILL THE AFFORDABILITY COMMITMENTS BE ENFORCED? AND WHAT DOES 80% MFI MEAN? IN REAL TERMS, WE [02:00:01] HAVE ALREADY RECORDED A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH HOMEBASE, WHICH IS AN ARM OF HABITAT FOR HUMANITY THAT'S IN YOUR BACKUP. AND THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO PROVIDE 10% OF OUR TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS AT 80% MFI PER 40 YEARS. THIS RESTRICTIVE COVENANT HAS BEEN RECORDED FULLY ENFORCEABLE AND WILL RUN WITH THE LAND TO PUT ALL THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE. ACCORDING TO HOUSING WORKS, THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IN DISTRICT 10 IS $159,523 FOR OUR PURPOSES. HOWEVER, INCOME RESTRICTED MFI IS BASED ON A REGIONAL FIGURE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE IS MUCH LOWER THAN THE DISTRICT 10 AVERAGE INCOME. THIS MEANS THAT A FAMILY MAKING 80% MFI AND DISTRICT 10 IS ACTUALLY EARNING ABOUT HALF OF THE DISTRICT 10 AVERAGE INCOME. FURTHERMORE RENT LEVELS FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE SET BY HUD AND THE CITY LIMITING, UH, FOR ALLOWABLE RENT INCREASES THEIR FIT. THEY'RE LIMITED IN TERMS OF THEIR INCREASE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE AVERAGE 12 MONTH RENT INCREASE IN THIS SUB MARKET WAS 13% COMPARED TO AVERAGE ANNUAL RENT INCREASES FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS IN AUSTIN. ABOUT 5%. NEXT, I'M GOING TO HAND THIS OVER TO MICHAEL GAUDINO. WHO'S GOING TO DISCUSS THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. MR. MULLIGAN. EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES, PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU, MICHAEL. YEAH. DANIELLE, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UH, YOUR LAST MEETING, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS RAISED REGARDING NEARBY CAVES AND POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. AND THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE IS THAT OUR PROPOSAL WOULD NOT INCREASE THE LABILE IMPERVIOUS COVER. AND ACTUALLY IT WOULD TAKE A SITE DEVELOPED DECADES AGO UNDER OUTDATED REGULATIONS, AND INSTEAD REDEVELOP IT UNDER MODERN REGULATIONS AND WITH A LOWER COVER THAN EXISTS THERE TODAY AND IMPROVEMENT FOR DRAINAGE AND FOR WATER QUALITY OUTCOMES. ALSO, AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, WE ENGAGED IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY OF THE AREA PRIOR TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS CASE, THAT STUDY IDENTIFIED SEVERAL CAVES IN THE AREA, TWO OF WHICH TOUCH THE SITE, THOSE TWO KNOWN AS THE LUBY'S CAVE AND DEAD DOG CAVE. NUMBER TWO ARE SHOWN HERE, AND WHILE THEY DO TOUCH THE SITE, THEY ONLY DO SO AT THE FAR EDGE OF THE SITE AND NO BUILDING WILL OCCUR OVER THEM. ADDITIONALLY, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE REPORT, EXCERPTS PROVIDED HERE DEAD DOG CAVE. NUMBER TWO HAS ALREADY BEEN ENTIRELY PAVED OVER WITH CONCRETE FOR 40 YEARS. AND THE LUBY'S CAVE DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE, UH, PROVIDE HABITAT FOR ENDANGERED TERRESTRIAL, KARST INVERTEBRATES, ACCORDING TO THE STUDY IN WHICH, UM, UH, UH, PROFESSIONAL, UM, GEOGRAPHIC SCIENTISTS WENT INTO THE CAVE TO, UM, DETERMINE THAT THE LAST GROUP OF QUESTIONS WE'LL COVER RELATE TO HOW SITE ACCESS IS ENVISIONED TO WORK AND WHAT TYPES OF COMMITMENTS WE'VE MADE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE'VE SOUGHT TO CONSOLIDATE DRIVEWAYS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORING SITE ABOUT AN IDEA TO CONSOLIDATE VEHICULAR ACCESS THROUGH THEIR DRIVEWAY, UH, TO DATE, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INTERESTED IN ALLOWING OUR SITE VEHICULAR ACCESS THERE EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES ONLY. AND SO WE'VE HAD TO THINK THROUGH OUR SITE, UH, CIRCULATION ACCORDINGLY. SO TODAY THERE ARE THREE DRIVEWAYS ACCESSING THE SITE TWO ON STACK AND ONE ON MOPAC. AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE BY ELIMINATING THE SEC DRIVEWAY, THAT'S CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION, WHICH WE BELIEVE WILL HELP IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW. OVERALL. SOME QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED AS TO WHETHER ANY ACCESS SHOULD BE ALLOWED ON STACK AT ALL, BUT WITHOUT ACCESS TO STACK, YOU CREATE LONGER ROUTES FOR EASTBOUND NORTHBOUND AND WESTBOUND TRAFFIC ADDING HALF A MILE TO A MILE FOR EACH TRIP, WHICH WOULD MEAN WORST TRAFFIC OVERALL, AND TENS OF THOUSANDS, MORE GRAMS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EACH DAY. IN OTHER WORDS, DECK ACCESS IS CRITICAL FOR SITE CIRCULATION AND FOR BETTER TRANSPORTATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL OUTCOMES. AND FINALLY, THIS CASE HAS NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT. IT'S LOCATED OVER 300 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY, AND THE APPLICANT HAS FULLY RECORDED A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH NUHAKA REGULATING LABILE HEIGHT, ACCORDING TO MEAN SEA LEVEL SETTING SCREENING STANDARDS FOR THE GARAGE REQUIRING A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRY, MONUMENT SIGN AND MORE PERMISSION. UH, SO TO RECAP, THIS PROJECT OFFERS KEY AFFORDABILITY BENEFITS THAT WOULD RESERVE HOUSE UNITS FOR HOUSEHOLDS EARNING FAR BELOW THE DISTRICT 10 AVERAGE, AND WITH LOWER AVERAGE RENT INCREASES, THE APPLICANT HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND IN PROVIDING ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS APP ZONING STAGE, WHICH IS NOT OTHERWISE REQUIRED. IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD REDUCE THE EXISTING COVER FROM NPR, FROM REDUCING IMPERVIOUS COVER FROM THE EXISTING LEVELS AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS ACCESSING STACK AND BOTH A STAFF AND THE MILWAUKEE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORT REQUESTS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. BRITTON, DENTON CHAIR, UH, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. I'M BRETT DENTON WITH ARDEN RESIDENTIAL, THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ZONING CASE. FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK NORTHWEST AUSTIN CIVICS ASSOCIATION FOR THEIR HARD WORK ON THIS CASE. AND FOR THEIR SUPPORT, WE MET WITH THEM EARLY ON TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEY WORKED WITH US SO WE COULD ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS AND EARN THEIR SUPPORT. A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH NOVAKA HAS BEEN FILED AND RECORDED. [02:05:02] WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED OUR ZONING CASE FOR INTAKE IN APRIL, BUT WHEN WE LEARNED ABOUT POTENTIAL NEARBY CAVES, WE IMMEDIATELY PUT THE CASE ON HOLD AND ENGAGED IN HORIZON ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES TO INVESTIGATE WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH DUE DILIGENCE WORK IS TYPICALLY DONE WELL AFTER THE ZONING STAGE, IN ORDER TO GET THE CLEAREST PICTURE, WE CAN SEE OF THE SITE, THE HORIZON STUDY ON OF THE CAVES. IT WAS PERFORMED BY JAMES KILLIAN, LICENSED PROFESSIONAL GEOSCIENTIST WITH OVER 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS FIELD, HE ALSO HAS A PERMIT WITH US FISH AND WILDLIFE TO CONDUCT STUDIES RELATED TO ENDANGER TAPE AND VERTEBRATES. HE FOUND THAT THERE WERE NO THAT THERE WERE TWO CAVES TOUCHING OUR SITE KNOWN AS THE LUBY'S CAVE AND DEAD DOG CAVE. NUMBER TWO, IN HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THE LUBY'S CAVE QUOTE DOES NOT PROVIDE HABITAT FOR ENDANGERED CARSON VERTEBRATES. AND HE ALSO NOTES THE DEAD DOG CAVE. NUMBER TWO HAS, AND I QUOTE, BEEN ENTIRELY PAVED OVER WITH CONCRETE FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS. NO FURTHER ACTION IS RECOMMENDED FOR EITHER CAVE. WE THEN SHARED THIS REPORT WITH WATERSHED DEPARTMENT STAFF AND WAS EVEN GUARDS ZONING CASE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OUR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES WILL NOT TOUCH EITHER K. THEY WILL BOTH REMAIN IN THEIR CURRENT STATES IN THE EVENT THAT ANY INTERSTITIAL VOIDS ARE DISCOVERED DURING CONSTRUCTION. THAT IS VOIDS THAT ARE COMPLETELY SEALED AND WAS NOT CONTAINED BY A DIVERSITY CITY AND STATE GUIDELINES REQUIRE THAT WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY HALT CONSTRUCTION AND ALERT THE CITY FOR INVESTIGATION. FINALLY, IN TERMS OF WATER QUALITY AND WATER RUNOFF, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO COMPARE OUR PROPOSED IMPACT TO CURRENT SITE CONDITIONS. THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED DECADES AGO UNDER OUTDATED ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS. AND ACCORDING TO THE CITY IS CURRENTLY BUILT WITH 85% IMPERVIOUS COVER. OUR PROJECT WOULD REDUCE THIS EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVER DOWN TO 80% AND WE WOULD REDEVELOP AND COMPLIANCE IS THE CITY'S CURRENT REGULATIONS, THEREBY IMPROVING DRAINAGE AND WATER QUALITY. OUR GOAL THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN TO MANAGE THIS CASE THE RIGHT WAY. WE MET EARLY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EARN THEIR SUPPORT. WE HALTED OUR OWN CASE TO ANALYZE KS IN THE AREA, EVEN THOUGH SUCH STUDIES ARE NOT DONE AT THE ZONING STAGE, WE THEN SHARE THESE FINDINGS WITH CITY STAFF AT EACH STAGE. WE'VE WORKED HARD TO DO THE RIGHT THING, AND I BELIEVE THOSE EFFORTS HAVE HELPED US PUT FORWARD. A ZONING IS DESERVING OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND I HOPE WE CAN COUNT ON YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MR. JEN. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. HUGH HIGGINS, MR. HIGGINS, SELECT STAR SIX, PROCEED WITH THE REMARKS. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I WON'T TAKE VERY MUCH OF YOUR TIME. I, I SIMPLY WOULD CALL YOUR ATTENTION ONE MORE TIME. I WISH THIS WAS NEW, BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SEE ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ON THIS SIDE. I JUST CALL YOUR ATTENTION THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, I GUESS, HAS PUT UP POLES DOWN THE MIDDLE OF STACK IN ORDER TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM TURNING, RIGHT, PARDON ME, FROM TURNING LEFT OFF, IT STARTED GOING EASTBOUND WESTBOUND. AND IN OTHER WORDS, TRAFFIC OUT OF, FROM A LOOPY SITE FROM USING THE NORTH, THE NORTH SIDE OF STICK, BECAUSE THAT STATE SICK IS ABOUT A 25 DEGREE ANGLE. AT THAT POINT, THE LINE OF SIGHT IS VERY SHORT. AND IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO, IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENT WHO'S COMING UP TO GO IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE INFERENCE HOME STACK, THEY'RE GOING TO GET UP THERE AND TRY TO TURN LEFT ACROSS A BUSY STACK, A TRAFFIC LANE. AND, AND UNLESS THE CITY'S GOING TO PUT UP A LIGHT THERE, IT'S, THEY'RE GOING TO JUST HOLD UP TRAFFIC. AND THAT MEANS THAT THEY'VE GOT ABOUT, THEY'VE GOT ROOM FOR ABOUT FOUR CARS BEHIND THEM BEFORE THEY START BLOCKING THE MOPAC INTERSECTION. IT, I JUST WISH THAT SOMEBODY IN THE CITY, AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S THIS COMMISSION'S JOB TO DO THIS WOULD WAS APPROVED THIS, THIS REZONING CONDITION, THE PHONE PUDDING, SOME PANNED UP TRAFFIC BARRIER DOWN THE MIDDLE OF STICK TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM USING THE NORTH SIDE EFFECT. THAT'S IT? I THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. OUTMAN, I'LL ENTER YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THAT CONCLUDES [02:10:01] ALL THE SPEAKERS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. UM, SO THEN WE'LL HAVE A, SO THEN WE NEED TO VOTE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN. SO, UM, THAT WAS COMMISSIONER SMITH AND SECONDED BY KING, MAYBE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING EX PRETTY MUCH UNANIMOUS THOMPSON AND DANCLER. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. PUT UP YOUR LITTLE HANDS SO I CAN SEE THEM. OKAY, GO AHEAD. DINKLER AND THEN KIELBASA, UH, UH, AM I HERE? WELL, YES. UM, DID WE, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. RADIOS. DID WE GET ANYTHING FROM TECH STOCK IN WAY OF COMMENT? UM, AT ALL, UH, COMMISSIONER VANCO, THIS IS SHERIFFS OR WITNESS WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY INFORMATION FROM TEXTBOOKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, UM, ONE LAST QUESTION. UM, PLEASE EXPLAIN THE HEIGHT TO ME. UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK FOR YOUR HELP ON THAT. UM, WE'VE GOT A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IN THE BACKUP, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A LETTER SUPPORTING CONDITIONS. I DON'T SEE YOU FILED RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET BOGGED DOWN ON IT. UM, BUT THEY WERE LOOKING THERE PARTICULAR, ONE OF THEIR PARTICULAR ISSUES WAS FIGHT AND THEY WANT EVERYTHING AT SIX 80 MEDIAN SEA LEVEL. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SLOPE IS PRETTY SEVERE ON THIS SITE, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CUT AND FEEL VARIANCES. UM, WE'RE PRETTY DARN SURE. THERE'S KARST UNDER GROUND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING TO THE CADES, UH, IF YOU SAW THE SUPPLEMENTAL BACKUP, SO WHERE DOES 680 FALL IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, GIVEN THAT THE APPLICANT BEING GO UP NINE STORIES, UM, AND THE TOP LOOKS LIKE AN ELEVATION OF 7, 8, 10. SO, UM, CAN YOU HELP WITH THAT AT ALL? UM, IS THIS A QUESTION I SHOULD ALSO GIVE THE APPLICANT, PLEASE TALK TO ME. YES. AS THIS IS A QUESTION THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN. WE'LL SEE IF THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED IN THE MS. SIX DISTRICT WOULD BE 90 FEET. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THEIR CALCULATIONS WOULD EQUATE TO. OKAY. UH, CHAIR MICHAEL WHALEN. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RESPOND? YES, IT WAS MY QUESTION. UH, YES, MICHAEL WHALEN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. SO, UH, AS WE'VE REPRESENTED IN LETTERS, BY THE WAY, THE RECORDED, UH, FULLY ENFORCEABLE, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH NOVAKA IS IN THE BACKUP IT'S WITH THE ADDITIONAL, THE ADDITIONAL RECORDED, UH, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. I THINK IT WAS PUT WITH THE ONE TO HOMEBASE IN THE BACKUP. SO BOTH OF THEM ARE RECORDED AND BOTH OF THEM ARE IN THE BACKUP. THE, UH, YEAH, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, I'M SORRY. THE, THE, WHAT WE'LL BE SHOWING, BECAUSE REMEMBER THERE'S 40 FEET OF FALL FROM THE, UH, MOVING FROM THE WEST PROPERTY LINE TOWARDS MOPAC. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF FALL THERE. SO WHAT WILL BE SEEN ON THE EAST SIDE WOULD BE FIVE STORIES ABOVE GRADE. AND, UH, THE PLAN IS THEN ANY PORTION OF THE GARAGE THAT WOULD SHOW IS YOU'RE FALLING TOWARDS MOPAC WOULD BE SCREENED, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SCREENED PRIMARILY BY THE WAY, WITH ADDITIONAL UNITS, WHICH MEANS ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE UNITS, UM, IN THIS HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA. SO IT WOULDN'T BE NINE STORIES. IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UH, UH, FIVE STORIES THAT WOULD BE SHOWING ON THE SIDE CLOSEST TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU WILL, WHICH IS THE, UH, WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, UH, AGAIN, MORE THAN A COMPATIBLE DISTANCE FROM THE CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY HOME PURSUANT TO THE COMPATIBILITY PROVISIONS IN THE CITY CODE. OKAY. UM, AND QUITE, UH, MR. WADE IS WHEN I LOOKED [02:15:01] AT THE BACKUP, WHAT I SAW WAS A FILED RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH THE, UM, FOLKS THAT WILL SERVE AS THE PROPERTY AGENTS FOR, UM, OR, UM, THE APPLICANT WITH A COUPLE OF PAGES FROM, UM, THE WALKER. I DON'T SEE A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, UH, THE SIGNATURE LINE FOR NO WAKA ON THERE. I DON'T SEE ME THAT THEY HAVE, UM, SIGNED ANYTHING IN THE FILE DOCUMENT. IS THAT FINAL PAGE MISSING OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, HAS SEEMED A LITTLE LOW. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE HARD TO FOLLOW. SO ARE WE MISSING A FINAL PAGE THERE? I, THE INFORMATION WAS UPLOADED AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE BACKUP, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT THAT WAS PROVIDED. AND I DO NOT SEE ASSIGNED KEVIN THAT'S IN THE BACKUP. I DO SEE ONE IN THE ORIGINAL BACKUP MATERIAL WITH THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS SIGNED AND EXECUTED, BUT IT HAD NOT BEEN RECORDED. RIGHT. SO THEY MAY HAVE UPDATED INFORMATION. I KNOW. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE, UM, UNCLEAR WHEN YOU HAVE AN UNEXECUTED DOCUMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, YOU HAVE DRAFT, THAT'S NOT FILED, AND NOW WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL PAGE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET TOTALLY BOGGED ON THAT. THE HYPE IS A BIG QUESTION HERE. UM, BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE W NEIGHBORHOOD IS SAYING, THEY WANT IT AT 680 MEDIAN, C-LEVEL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO UNDERGROUND. IS THAT TRUE? AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. CONSTRUCT UNDERGROUND. YEAH. YES. IT'S 60 MINUTES, CORRECT. MR. WAYLAND, DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSE ABOUT, UM, UNDERGROUND STRUCTURES? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THE HI WE'RE, WE'RE ALL BASING THIS ON WE'RE THE LITTLE, UH, FEELS LIKE WALNUT SHELLS TO ME IS THE ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO THE HEIGHT WILL BE, UM, NOT AS NOTICEABLE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO CUT AND FILL, WHICH IT'S PRETTY CLEAR GIVEN THE GRADE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCE FOR, AND IT AM I ASSUMING THAT THE PARKING IS SEPARATE FROM THE FIVE STORIES? ARE WE PARKING UNDERGROUND POTENTIALLY IN THE KARST, OR IF THEY FIND KARST, ARE WE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO DO A PARKING, UH, UNDERNEATH HER AND TOP OF THE, THE APARTMENTS? DO YOU, AM I MAKING SENSE HERE? UH, MICHAEL WHALEN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UH, THE PLAN HAS BEEN TO HAVE A BELOW GRADE PARKING AND TO, UH, DO EXACTLY WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CITY, WHICH INCLUDES GEO-TECH BORING, UH, TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE ARE ANY VOIDS, UH, IN THE SOIL, AS YOU ENGAGE IN REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE FOR CONSTRUCTION ON ANY SITE, WHETHER IT'S FOR UTILITIES OR OTHERWISE. OKAY. SO YOUR PROPOSAL IS UNDERGROUND PARKING AND A VISIBILITY OF FIVE STORIES IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING. BUT IF CARS AVOIDS ARE FOUND, UM, ARE TQ, UC DOESN'T ALLOW YOUR LAO, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO UP IN HEIGHT. AM I, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, WELL, WE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, THE, UH, MICHAEL WAYLON BY WAY OF THE ZONING RULES RE UH, LIMIT US TO THE 90 FEET OF HEIGHT, WHICH IS MEASURED BY THE CITY TO BE THE AVERAGE, UH, TH TH THE STARTING POINT FOR THAT IS THE AVERAGE OF THE NATURAL GRADE NEXT TO YOUR BUILDING. BUT IN A, AS A MEASURE OF ADDITIONAL ASSURANCE, NOVAKA HAD ASKED US TO USE MEAN SEA LEVEL IS AN ABSOLUTE CAP. UH, IF YOU WILL, KIND OF A CEILING ABOVE WHICH WE ABSOLUTELY CANNOT GO ABOVE, WHICH IS WHY WE ENTERED INTO THE RECORDED RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. AND WE DID SO BY THE WAY, NOVAKA IS WITH , UH, REVIEW AND APPROVAL. UH, THERE WE, THE, THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT DID NOT REQUIRE THEIR [02:20:01] SIGNATURE, UH, SINCE THEY ARE THE BENEFICIARY, NOT THE ONE GRANTING THE RE THE, UH, THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS, THE OBLIGATIONS. OKAY. IT'S ON PAGE 80, ONE OF THE BACKUP. OKAY. UM, PROBABLY MISSED IT. UM, LET ME CLOSE. CAUSE I KNOW THERE MIGHT BE OTHERS WITH QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER AND THEN BRAY, AND THEN RAY, I, YEAH, THANKS. AND I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAVES AND THE CAVES REPORT, ESPECIALLY SINCE ONE OF MY FORMER, SINCE A FORMER FAVORITE FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE SENT US AN EMAIL ABOUT THE DEAD DOG CAVES OR DID CAVE NUMBER TWO. AND, UM, I WAS WONDERING, IS THE APPLICANT PLANNING TO DO ANY MORE, UM, ANY MORE SURVEYING, UM, AND FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PERSON POINTED OUT THAT THERE SHOULD BE, UM, UH, OTHER KINDS OF GROUND PENETRATING RADAR AND DONE BY AN EXPERIENCED GEOPHYSICIST. IS THERE ANY OTHER RESEARCH I'M PLANNING TO BE DONE BEFORE THIS GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL? MICHAEL WHALEN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, THE, UH, CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE ARE OPEN TO DISCUSSING, UH, IF, UH, I THINK YOU SAID SYLVIA, POPE, FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE, UH, OTHERS, UH, I THINK WHERE I THINK WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UH, MEET WITH ANYBODY AND TALK ABOUT THE CAVES AND, AND ORGANIZE, UH, SUCH A COLLECTION OF PEOPLE SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONCERNS. CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT, UH, IMPACTS THE INTEGRITY OF THE SITE AND THE INTEGRITY OF, UH, OF, UH, WHERE WE'RE HEADING, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BREE, SORRY. UH, YEAH, I'VE ALSO BEEN LOOKING AT A LOT OF THE CASE STUFF AND LEARN MORE ABOUT CAVES AND I THINK I'VE EVER LEARNED IN MY LIFE, UM, AND STILL, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF PEOPLE KNOW MORE THAN I DO. UH, AND YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING, DEFINITELY HOPING TO SEE SOME MEETINGS BETWEEN PEOPLE IN THE CAVING COMMUNITY, UH, AS A PERSON OR TO REACH OUT TO ME ABOUT IT. I'M HOPING THERE'LL BE MEETINGS WITH A DEVELOPER, UH, ON THAT. UM, UH, I DID, I HAD ANOTHER THOUGHT. I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS. OH, COME BACK TO ME. OKAY. RAYMOND THOMPSON, I'LL BE BRIEF. UM, MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS ONE HASN'T CHANGED A TON. UM, GIVEN THE INFORMATION WE'VE SEEN, I FEEL MORE CONFIDENT, UM, THAT THIS IS AS BEST TO PROJECT AS WE'LL SEE AT THIS STAGE. UM, THE THING THAT I'M MOST COMPETENT ABOUT IS THAT THIS PROJECT IS THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS PART OF TOWN. UM, WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS AND SHORT OF GETTING. UM, SO WE, IN OUR PREVIOUS CASE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 4% TAX CREDITS. SO THOSE ARE NON-COMPETITIVE. UM, IF IT'S MORE CHALLENGING TO FINANCE A PROJECT, YOU HAVE TO GO AFTER 9%, WHICH ARE SO COMPETITIVE, THAT PROJECTS WILL SIT ON THE SHELF, YOU AFTER A YEAR UNTIL THE STATE ENTITY APPROVES THOSE. UM, SO SHORT OF GETTING ONE OF THOSE MORE COMPETITIVE DEALS DONE, HAVING A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, THAT'S WILLING TO INCORPORATE THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS INTO A PROJECT IS THE MOST SENSIBLE WAY TO GET THOSE IN THIS TYPE OF A LOCATION. UM, SO FOR THAT REASON, AND BECAUSE I FEEL COMPETENT IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESSES THAT WE DO HAVE IN PLACE AND LESS COMPETENT IN MY ABILITY TO ASSESS THESE THINGS AS, UM, A HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNER, UM, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ONE TONIGHT AND HOPE THAT Y'ALL WILL AS WELL. IS IT ME? I'M SORRY. CHAIR, DID YOU CALL ME? YES. OH, I APOLOGIZE. THANKS. AND I, UM, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS, UH, COMMISSIONER RAY AND I, I ALSO REALLY, UM, LIKE THE PROJECT AND AGAIN, FEEL REALLY UNEASY ABOUT THE LOCATION. AND, AND SO I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AND, AND ALSO SORT OF REBUT THE INFERENCE THAT, UM, ANY [02:25:01] SORT OF, UH, CONCERNS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT STAFF EXPERTISE OR THEIR INTEGRITY, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE CASE WHATSOEVER. SOME OF OUR STAFF PROCESSES ARE SEVERELY LIMITED. IT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN LEARNING OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, AS I TRY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF UNDERSTANDING WHY THESE ENVIRONMENTAL QUESTIONS ARE EVEN COMING TO US, THAT THE ZONING COMMISSION AND WHAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT STAFF HANDS ARE TIED AT ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, OF REVIEW. AND SO I DID WANT TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION. I, I DID AN INQUIRY WITH THE TEXAS FIELD GEOLOGICAL SOCIETY AND DID CONFIRM THE, UM, HISTORIC COLLECTION OF SENSITIVE SPECIES FROM THESE CAVES, INCLUDING SPECIES THAT ARE BELIEVED TO BE THE ENDANGERED BONE CAME HARVEST MEN. UM, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT INFORMATION IS NOT IN THE HORIZON REPORT. AND SOME OF THE OMISSIONS ARE WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE BEING ASKED TO HAVE AND WHY I FEEL LIKE I'VE HAD TO DO ALL OF THIS INQUIRY. AND, UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT TOO, THAT BECAUSE OF THE CODE, THE LDC CODE IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND I HOPE STAFF WILL CORRECT ME BECAUSE I JUST GOT THIS INFORMATION THIS AFTERNOON. BUT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE TERMS OF THE CODE STAFF ARE ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED TO INQUIRE OR COORDINATE ANY SORT OF REVIEW REGARDING ENDANGERED SPECIES. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, THIS IS NOT GOING BEFORE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, SO THAT DOES LEAVE IT IN OUR HANDS, UNFORTUNATELY. AND IT DOES HAPPEN TO BE AN AREA OF EXPERTISE OF MINE. AND SO I DO FEEL COMPETENT IN THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD THE EXPERTS I'VE TALKED TO IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT THIS PROJECT ISN'T APPROPRIATE. I DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY IF THOSE SPECIES ARE STILL THERE, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THE APPLICANT ALSO DOES NOT KNOW. AND WE'RE NOT HEARING ABOUT WHAT ADDITIONAL REVIEW MIGHT HAPPEN. AND I'VE BEEN TOLD PRETTY EXPLICITLY IT WILL NOT BE OCCURRING IN THE SITE PLANNING REVIEW AS FAR AS THE TYPICAL PROCESS GOES FOR THE CITY REVIEW. SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT WE CAN HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT STEPS THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO TAKE TO DO DUE DILIGENCE REGARDING THE KARST HABITAT AND THE HISTORIC, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND IN THESE CAVES. AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TOO, THAT THE EXPERTS, THE CAVE EXPERTS SUSPECT THAT THIS IS, THESE ARE NOT DISTINCT, SEPARATE CAVES. LIKE THE REPORT INDICATES THEY ARE CONNECTED SYSTEM OF CAVES. AND JUST BECAUSE THE OPENING LAYS OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE DOESN'T MEAN THE SYSTEM IS NOT IMPACTED BY WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS PARCEL. AND SO I JUST WANT FOLKS TO HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE. SO WHAT DOES SHARE THAT, WHAT I'VE LEARNED AND, AND IF I'VE MISSTATED ANYTHING, I HOPE STAFF WILL CORRECT ME. UH, MICHAEL WHALEN, UH, SHOULD I RESPOND, UH, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF THE CHARACTER IN ADDITION TO, YEAH, THAT'D BE TERRIFIC. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO, SO AS, UH, MR. DENTON INDICATED, UH, WITH ARDEN RESIDENTIAL, THE PERSON THAT WE HAD GO INTO THE LUBY'S CAVE, WHICH IS ACCESSIBLE, DOES HAVE THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE CERTIFICATION, UH, TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE ARE INVERTEBRATE AND OTHER BIOLOGICAL SPECIES IN THERE AND DID NOT SEE ANY. AND AS I'VE INDICATED, UH, I THINK TO YOU AND TO OTHERS WHERE I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION, UH, OUR CLIENT ARE IN RESIDENTIAL AS BEEN VERY PROACTIVE, MORE PROACTIVE THAN ANYBODY I KNOW OF, UH, IN THE ZONING PHASE OF A REDEVELOPMENT TO INVESTIGATE, UH, A SITE THAT HAS CAVES. AND WE DID SO, SO THAT WE COULD BE PROACTIVE. AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT TYPE OF CONDUCT GOING FORWARD THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. I THINK WORDS ARE ONE THING. I THINK ACTIONS ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL AND THE ACTIONS WE'VE TAKEN BY PAUSING THE ZONING CASE ON OUR OWN VOLITION TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION, UH, DEMONSTRATES THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO SPEND THE TIME AND MONEY TO, UH, INVESTIGATE AND ADDRESS, UH, THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS. AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT CONTINUING AS WE PROCEED, UH, TO COUNCIL, I'VE ALREADY INDICATED WE'RE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND MEET WITH, UH, FOLKS AND THAT YOU CONNECT US WITH. AND SECOND, UH, WHEN WE GET THROUGH IN COUNCIL [02:30:01] AND ONTO THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, UH, AS YOU HAVE ALREADY NOTED, ALL OF YOU HAVE NOTED. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T FIND THE PERFECT SITE IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, AND SOMETIMES WE LET THE PERFECT GET IN THE WAY OF THE EXCEPTIONAL. WE HAVE AN EXCEPTIONAL SITE ON A TRANSIT CORRIDOR WITH BUS LINES AND, UH, IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA, THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE WE WANT TO BE MORE EQUITABLE. AND, UH, WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AN EXCEPTIONAL SITE AND NOT LET THE PERFECT GET IN THE WAY ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON UM, NOT RIGHT NOW, NO. OKAY. UM, I HAVE SMITH AND THEN KING NEXT THIS IS SHERRY TO WITNESS THE CASE MANAGER. I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ANDREW, THERE HAS GUIDED ME ONLINE TO THE EXECUTED PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE CABINET, WHICH IS THE FIRST ITEM LISTED BEFORE THE BACKUP MATERIAL FOR THIS CASE ON THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING PAGE FOR THIS MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND IT. UM, IT IS LISTED AS ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED BY THE OPPOSITE ITEM. D TWO. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. I MEAN, THAT'S ON PAGE 81 OF YOUR BACKUP, UM, IN REGARD TO THE CASE, HORIZON ENVIRONMENTAL IS REQUIRED BY THEIR LICENSE WITH US SPATIAL WILDLIFE. IF THEY GO INTO THE CAVE AND, AND SEE THAT THE CAVE HAS SPECIES, OR HAS THE ABILITY TO SUPPORT SPECIES, THEY HAVE TO REPORT THAT THEY'RE THERE. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE. UM, THAT IS THEY'RE UNDESERVED. WHAT LICENSES THEM TO DO THIS? THEY ALSO DETAINED MICHAEL WHARTON. SHE'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOP CAVE EXPERTS IN THIS WHOLE AREA TO GO IN AND CONSULT ON THIS. THEY'VE HIRED TWO OR THREE AT THE TOP. PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, THEY WENT INTO THESE CAVES. UM, THEY DIDN'T JUST GO FROM MEMORY OR GO FROM RECORDS. THEY WENT INTO THE CAVE, THEY LOOKED AROUND THIS CAVE AND NOT HAVE THE BIO MASS TO SUPPORT SPACE NAMES, NOR DID IT HAVE ANY SPECIES IN THE KIT. UM, AND SO TO ME, THAT'S THE ACTION THEY TOOK. THEY DIDN'T JUST GO BACK AND TALK WITH FEW PEOPLE WHO HAD HEARD RUMORS WHO WOULD TALK ABOUT STUFF. THEY WENT INTO THE CAVE AND LOOK, THE CAVE DID NOT HAVE SPECIES THAT CAME, DID NOT HAVE ADEQUATE BIOMASS TO SUPPORT SPECIES. UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF, DID THEY DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE? YES, THEY DID. THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. THE KEG DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT. AND THAT IS WHAT THE REPORT AND OUR BACKUP SAYS, UM, DOES NOT NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER THAN THAT. STAFF CAN REVIEW THAT THEY CAN TALK TO THESE PEOPLE, BUT THESE ARE THE PREEMINENT EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD WHO THEY'VE GOT TO DO THIS REPORT FOR THEM. WE HAVE TO RELY ON STAFF. WE HAVE TO RELY ON EXPERTS WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THESE REPORTS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT IN FRONT OF US. UM, THERE'S NO ONE BETTER THAN MIKE WHARTON TO GO IN AND TELL YOU WHETHER IT WAS IN DANGEROUS SPECIES, IN A CAVE OR NOT. UM, AND THAT'S WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS REPORT, SCOTT AYERS, WHO WANTS ANY BOSTON STAFF CONCUR, UM, SO STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THIS DEGREE, THE TOP EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD HAVE LOOKED AT THIS. THEY'VE WRITTEN A REPORT. THEY PUT THEIR SEAL ON IT. UM, AND THERE'S NO SPACES IN THESE CAKES. THERE WILL LIKELY ENCOUNTER OTHER CAKES. I WOULDN'T BE SHOCKED IF THEY DON'T ENCOUNTER OTHER TAGS. WHEN THEY GO THROUGH AND DO THIS CONSTRUCTION, EVERY PROJECT I'VE WORKED ON PRACTICALLY FOR 40 YEARS OVER THE EDWARDS, WE ENCOUNTER CAVES. AT SOME POINT IN TIME. IT IS NOT UNUSUAL. IT'S DEALT WITH ON A DAILY BASIS BY EVERYBODY IN THE BUSINESS. UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING UNUSUAL IS IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CANNOT BUILD AROUND. HIGHWAYS IN TEXAS ARE BUILT ON TOP OF CASE. INTERSPACE CAMERAS WAS FOUND BECAUSE WHEN I 35, UM, IT IS A VERY COMMON PRACTICE TO FIND THESE FEATURES AND DEAL WITH THEM. WHEN YOU'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, YOU DON'T DEAL WITH THEM AT THE ZONING THINGS. ZONING PHASE IS THIS, THIS SYKES FIT TO HAVE THE ZONING THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED. THAT'S THE SIMPLE QUESTION BEFORE US STAFF, BUT I GETS IT IS I AGREE THAT YES, IT IS. THIS IS A PERFECT PLACE TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF ZONING, THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR WE'RE AT, IN THE PROCESS, WHICH IS A ZONING TEXT, NOT A SITE DEVELOPMENT CASE, NOT A CONSTRUCTION CASE, A ZONING TEST. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER KING. THANK YOU. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE THAT THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR RESIDENTIAL AND I'M, YOU KNOW, SAD THAT FLOOD RECORD HAS, UH, THAT LUBY'S ACTUALLY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE ANYMORE. I REALLY LOVE THEIR, THEIR, AND PLATTER. THAT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES. SO I'M GOING TO MISS THAT. UM, BUT, UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO, TO, TO GET UP SOME MORNING AND NO ONE HAS SAID THAT ON THIS COMMISSION, I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY'S IMPLYING [02:35:01] THAT, BUT NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO GET ANY UP ZONING THERE. ANYBODY CAN COME IN AND REQUEST OF ZONING. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ALL THESE PROCESSES SET UP. SO WHEN WE DO GET A REQUEST FOR TO ADD MORE DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS, AND I THINK IT IS FAIR TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS THAT THE PUBLIC'S GOING TO DERIVE FROM THIS? AND WE'VE DISCUSSED ALL OF US ON THE COMMISSION HAVE DISCUSSED VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THOSE BENEFITS, VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THOSE BENEFITS AND PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT'S THAT THAT REALLY SEEMS TO GET THE SHORT END OF THE STICK ON BENEFITS ARE OUR LOW INCOME FAMILIES ARE VERY LOW INCOME FAMILIES AND OUR FAMILIES OF COLOR. SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE ASKED FOR A BIG UPZONING TO MSX THE MAXIMUM MULTIFAMILY ABSORBING INTENSITY THAT YOU CAN GET UNDER OUR CODE, THEN WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THAT ARE, WILL THE COMMUNITY GET FROM THIS? AND WHICH COMMUNITIES WILL BENEFIT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES COMING, COMING IN HERE TO AUSTIN. WE HAVE HIGH INCOME FAMILIES MOVING HERE. WE HAVE WEALTHY FAMILIES MOVING HERE. WE HAVE LOW INCOME FAMILIES GETTING DISPLACED FROM OUR CITY. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY AND SAYING, THIS IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR AFFORDABILITY, AND THEN WE USE SMOKE AND MIRRORS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, OH, LOOK HOW GREAT THIS 80% MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IS OVER IN DISTRICT 10. ISN'T THIS WONDERFUL IT'S 80%. MFI IS $80,000 PER YEAR, ROUGHLY WELL THAT'S D ALMOST, THAT'S NOT QUITE DOUBLE THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME FOR BLACK AND LATINO FAMILIES IN AUSTIN. HOW MANY BLACK AND LATINO FAMILIES WILL LOW INCOME VANS WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IF IT WERE TO OCCUR. AND I TELL YOU THE NUMBERS, TELL ME VERY, VERY FEW, IF ANY. AND SO I DON'T SEE EQUITY WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS PROJECT, I SEE THAT WE CAN HAVE CONTINUED IN EQUITY AND YOU ALL HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, UT HAS ALREADY DONE SOME STUDIES ON LOW INCOME. THIS IS NOT LOW INCOME TAX CREDIT FINANCED HOUSING. NEVERTHELESS, IT IS CONSIDERED A LOW INCOME PROJECT BECAUSING PROJECT BECAUSE IT HAS A COMPONENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT INTO IT THAT THE MARKET IN THAT STUDY THAT UT DID SAID THAT ARE 80% MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME HOUSING IS BEING SUPPLIED BY THE MARKET TODAY. IT'S BEING ADEQUATELY SUPPLIED BY THE MARKET TODAY. SO ALL OF THIS REALLY IS, IS MARKET. THIS IS A EFFECTIVELY MARKET RATE. IT'S NOT REALLY PARADING AND PRETENDING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IT'S MASQUERADING. AND, YOU KNOW, I D I AM JUST VERY DISAPPOINTED IN, IN THIS, THIS LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY AT THIS LOCATION. SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I ALSO DO SHARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. THIS IS NO DOUBT. THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA. SO WHY DIDN'T IT GO TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION? AND IN THE PAST, I'D KNOWN THAT WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE THE STAFF SAID, WE SHOULD ASK THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE ZAP. THEY'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. SO IF WE HAD ASKED IN THE LAST MEETING, WHAT IS THE CRITERIA THAT'S USED FOR THESE KINDS OF CASES TO GO TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION BEFORE THEY COME TO ZAP, OR BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BEFORE THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS ACT ON ZONING, THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED AND, AND ADDRESS BEFORE WE, WE, WE CHIME IN ON THIS KIND OF ZONING. SO YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL FROM MY COMMENTS, I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH WHERE WE ARE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THIS PROJECT HERE. AND I DON'T THINK THE ABSORBING JUSTIFIES THE PUBLIC BENEFITS, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS JUSTIFY THIS LEVEL ABOUT ZONING AT THIS SITE. SO I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT PARTICULAR, UH, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION BAND. AND I AM NOT QUESTIONING STAFF'S INTEGRITY. I AM NOT. AND I WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD. I'M NOT DOING THAT. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE IMPUGNING STAFFS, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR WORK OR THEIR, THEIR HANDS ARE TIED AS COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HAS SAID EARLIER. AND WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THINGS ARE LIMITED, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY CAN DO, WHERE THEIR, WHERE THEIR, THE, THE CONSTRAINTS ARE PUT ON THEM. SO IT'S NOT A STAFF ISSUE. IN MY OPINION, THIS IS MORE OF A PROCESS ISSUE AND OTHER ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED AT DIFFERENT LEVELS. SO I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THIS KIND OF ZONING WITH A HOPE THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL EVENTUALLY LOOK AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, ANYWAY, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. I ASKED ONE QUESTION TO CLARIFY WITH STAFF ABOUT WHAT DATA IS THIS AN ABSORBING IN CASE I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS. UM, ACTUALLY THIS WOULD BE A YES, COMMISSIONER SMITH. THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A DOWN'S RUNNING FROM A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THIS IS NOT ENOUGH ZONING CASE. SO LET ME JUST CHIME IN MS. GOODMAN COMMISSIONER SMITH. WHEN I CONSIDER UP ZONING, I DON'T LOOK AT IT FROM TECHNICALLY COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. I LOOK AT IT FROM WHAT IS THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE GRANTED. [02:40:01] SO THERE ARE BIG ENTITLEMENTS BEING GRANTED. WE ALL KNOW, AS WE SIT HERE THAT THESE RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE ARE GOING TO BE TOP OF THE MARKET RATE UNITS. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENTITLEMENTS AND THE VALUE OF THOSE ENTITLEMENTS, THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IN TERMS OF UP ZONING, NOT A TECHNICAL, JUST A TECHNICAL, YOU KNOW, CHANGE FROM ONE ZONING CATEGORY TO ANOTHER. SO ZONING THAT MAY I ASK, BUT, UH, AND I'M, I'M SORRY, I SHOULD NOT HAVE DIRECTED THAT YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH. UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, YOU WERE, YOU WERE BRINGING UP THIS POINT AND I'M JUST TELLING THE QUESTION WELL, AND, AND WILL, BUT MY POINT IS THAT THIS IS NOT THAT TO ME, IT IS A FORM OF UP-ZONING. OKAY. I SEE A LOT OF HANDS. UM, I'M GETTING A LITTLE SLEEPY, SO, SORRY. UM, OKAY. SO I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF PUT YOU AT THE END OF THE STACK, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER GREENBURG YET, AND THEN I'LL GO TO A KOSTA AND THEN BACK TO DANGLER AND THEN BACK TO THOMPSON. UM, SO I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KING, THAT THIS IS, UM, WHETHER YOU WANT TO CALL IT AN EPISODE OWNING OR A DOWN'S OWNING A LOT OF ENTITLEMENT FOR RELATIVELY LITTLE, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFIT. THERE IS, AS HE POINTED OUT, PLENTY OF MARKET RATE HOUSING IN, UM, THAT 80% MFI LEVEL. UM, I WOULD SAY EVEN THOSE APARTMENTS ON, UM, OH, SHOOT. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE STREET, BUT RIGHT THERE IN NORTHWEST HILLS, THERE'S LOTS OF APARTMENTS THAT I WOULD BET OUR MARKET RATE AT 80% MFI. UM, AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MEDIAN IN NORTHWEST HILLS, YOU'RE JUST NOT EVEN INCLUDING THE RENTERS BECAUSE THE, UM, HOMEOWNERS ARE SO PREVALENT IN THAT AREA. SO, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE SORT OF IDEAL TO ME IS TO STILL HAVE SORT OF THE SAME PROJECT, BUT IF WE GRANTED WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT USING AFFORDABILITY ON LOCK TO STILL GET THE 90 FEET, AND YOU CAN SAY THAT GOING TO MF SIX IS A DOWNSIDE ZONING, BUT IF WE SAID, HOW ABOUT WE GIVE THEM THE CURRENT ZONING THEY HAVE AND ADD AN AMU THAT WOULD FOR SURE BE AN ABSORBING AND ADDING OF ENTITLEMENT AND ADDING, AND IT'S QUITE A BIT LESS THAN MF SIX. IT'S MORE LIKE . SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY DON'T SEE THIS AS, UM, A DECREASE IN ENTITLEMENT. IT'S JUST A CHANGE OF USE AND CERTAINLY AN INCREASE IN THE HEIGHT THAT'S ALLOWED AN INCREASE IN WHAT'S ABLE TO BE BUILT. UM, THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY. OKAY, ACOSTA DINKLER AND THEN THOMPSON, THANK YOU FOR THE APP, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT. CAN YOU ANSWER, IS THE MFI A FOR AN INDIVIDUAL OR FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR OR WHATEVER? YEAH. THIS IS MICHAEL WHALEN. UM, BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, THE NUMBERS WE SHARED WITH YOU WERE FOR FAMILIES OF FOUR, HOWEVER, THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT THAT'S IN YOUR BACKUP RECORDED AND ENFORCEABLE WOULD APPLY TO ANYBODY, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL OR A FAMILY. SO, YEAH, YEAH. OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE AT THE LOWER LEVEL, SORRY, I'M NOT SURE. I UNDERSTAND. SO EARLIER IN YOUR SLIDE, IT SHOWED THAT IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE MAKING ABOUT 80,000, WHICH IS, I THINK YOU SAID WAS THE 80% OF THE REGION. SO IS THAT 80,000 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR OR IS THAT 80% OR IS THAT 80,000 FOR A SPRINT INDIVIDUAL? I'M SORRY, I JUST, I'M TIRED AS WELL. THAT'S FOR MICHAEL WAY ON BEHALF OF THE OUTFIT, THAT'S FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR THAT'S FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL. THANK YOU. DOES THAT ANSWER OKAY. THAT DOES THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE ENOUGH. I DON'T THINK IT'S ACCURATE TO SAY THAT THERE'S ENOUGH 80% MFI HOUSING IN ANY DISTRICT. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HOUSING ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER DINKLER AND THEN THOMPSON, CAN YOU STILL HAVE YOUR HAND UP TOO? YOU ALSO WANT TO SPEAK? NO, YOU'RE DONE. OKAY. YEAH. UM, UH, I, I FEEL LIKE THE CALM ONE HERE, WHICH IS UNUSUAL. UM, I, UM, AM A LITTLE TROUBLED BY THE [02:45:01] MF SIX ZONING. IT'S THE ONLY ZONING, UM, IN THE AREA. I THINK YOU COULD CONSTRUE THIS AS SPOT ZONING. UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A HUNDRED UNITS ON TO, UH, UH, PER ACRE ON THIS SITE. THERE IS NOTHING COMPARABLE IN YOUR BACKUP OR ANYWHERE IN THE AREA FOR THAT MATTER. UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT DENSITIES OF MF TWO AND MF THREE IN THE AREA, ALL OF WHICH HAVE LOWER IMPERVIOUS COVER LEVELS HAVE LOWER HEIGHTS. AND BY THE WAY, I HAVE MADE, UH, JUST STARTED MAKING A LIST OF APARTMENTS IN THE AREA, WHICH MIGHT HELP YOU, UM, FINISH YOUR CODE STUFF. IT'S NOWHERE COMPLETE. I WENT JUST FROM FAR WEST TO STACK. UM, I'M MISSING SOME, UM, USE MESA IS MY BOUNDARY, AND I'M ALREADY AT 4,125 APARTMENTS. AND I AM TELLING YOU, THERE ARE RENTAL RATES AT 60% MFI. UM, AND I WILL BE SHARING THAT WITH, UH, UH, MY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, LATER. UM, SO IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO GET EXCITED ABOUT 80. I THINK WE NEED MORE, UM, MIXED USES IN THIS AREA, LESS APARTMENTS. THE HEIGHT CONCERNS ME WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, AND I DON'T THINK WE REALLY ARE GETTING THE GREAT BENEFIT OF THE 60% MFI. IT, NOT EVERYTHING IN THE AREA IS EITHER 60% MFI OR 80% MFI. AND WE'RE RELYING ON A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR A ENTITY, UM, THAT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY, DO ENFORCE, SO MAY RUN WITH THE LAND. BUT IF THAT APPLICANT IN PAID, OR IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DOESN'T WANT TO RAISE 40,000, UH, TO ENFORCE THAT DEED RESTRICTION AND BELIEVE ME, I HAVE SOME SENSE OF WHAT THE COSTS ARE ON THAT. HAVING, UM, BEEN THE ZONING CHAIR FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, AND WE ARE ONE THAT TOOK APPLICANT TO COURT. UM, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING ANYBODY DOES LIGHTLY. SO I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH AN INSTRUMENT WHERE YOU HAVE PRIVATE PARTIES ENFORCING THE AFFORDABILITY, AND WE'RE ALL DOING THIS THINKING. WE'RE GOING TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH FEELS MORE LIKE MARKET HOUSING. NOW, UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, UH, FOR NOW GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON OR YOUR, YEAH, I'LL BE QUICK. UM, I JUST WANTED TO, TO MENTION BACK TO COMMISSIONER SMITH, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE, UM, I WASN'T PRIVY TO MIKE WHARTON'S REPORT. I ALSO WANT TO JUST SHARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GROUP THAT GEOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT AND A BIOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED BEFORE ANYONE CAN SAY THAT A CAVE DOES NOT HAVE BIOTIC LIFE. AND WE HAVE HAD, I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE, NOT JUST RUMORS AND MYTHS, BUT EXPERTS ON THIS CAVE AND ON THESE SPECIES THAT, UM, SAY THERE IS REASON TO DO FURTHER EXPLORATION. SO I JUST WANTED THE GROUP TO HEAR THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE, UM, KIELBASA AND THEN RAY, OKAY. TOBACCO, BUT COMMISSIONER THOMPSON SAID BECAUSE, AND THIS HAS JUST BEEN A REALLY FRUSTRATING CASE BECAUSE OF TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER INFORMATION. AND I, UM, IN TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT CAVES ABOUT ALL THIS, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE AGAIN BEEN REALLY NICE TO HAVE HAD A THOROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. AND I DO THINK THE APPLICANT FOR DOING THIS, BUT, UM, HAVING TO ACTUALLY DO OUR OWN RESEARCH ON THIS AND FINDING OUT AND GETTING INFORMATION THAT INDICATES THAT THIS MAY BE INCOMPLETE, ESPECIALLY FROM AFOREMENTIONED CITY STAFFER. AND I, AND ALSO EVEN FINDING OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE MAPPING [02:50:01] DOES NEED TO BE, SHOULD BE DONE. I MEAN, THIS HAS JUST BEEN AN EXERCISE IN FRUSTRATION. AND I ALSO THINK IT'S PROBABLY AN EXERCISE IN FRUSTRATION, MAYBE FOR DEVELOPERS TOO, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD JUST BE MORE CLEAR PROCESSES ABOUT WHO DOES WHAT AND WHAT IS COVERED AND WHAT IS PROVIDED IN OUR REPORT. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR THIS CASE AGAIN. AND I MEAN, I EVEN TALKED TO SOMEBODY, I FOUND OUT A FRIEND OF MINE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN IN THAT CAVE. AND HE HAS, HE SAW THE SKELETON THAT CANINE SKELETON, UM, AND SAID IT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY SCARY. AND IT WAS AFTER THE KIDS HAD BEEN RESCUED FROM THERE THAT IT BECAME A BIG DRAW BECAUSE THERE, IT WAS IN THE PAPER AND EVERYBODY WENT THERE AND HE DID TOO. AND SO IT'S JUST, I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN, EVEN THOUGH I LIKE THE IDEA OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I DO HAVE CA I DO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. MY NEIGHBORHOOD ACTUALLY DID GET BURNED AND NOT ENFORCING A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT BECAUSE PEOPLE FORGOT ABOUT IT. AND IT, IT, IT, IT, IT DISAPPEARED. UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY ONLY LASTS THAT LONG, BUT IF SOMETHING WAS DONE 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO, IT MAY NOT BE AROUND. SO, BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO DO. AND I ALSO APPRECIATE ALL THE EXPERTISE THAT EVERYBODY BRINGS TO THIS. AND THIS IS JUST A SUPER TOUGH CASE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IN THE RESTRICTED COVENANT, THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE ABOUT HOW THE BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED. SO IT DOES THE, THE LONG-TERM THINGS SEEM TO BE THE AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE COMPONENT, RIGHT. THE 40 YEARS, AND THEN THE MAINTAINING THE ENTRANCE SIGN, EVERYTHING ELSE IS LIKE HOW, YOU KNOW, THE BRICKS AND HEIGHT. UM, OKAY. COMMISSIONER RAY, AND THEN WAIT. DANCLER, DID YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE YOUR HAND UP? NO. OKAY. RAY, AND THEN BREE, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN US A LOT OF TIME OVER THE PAST FEW MEETINGS, AND I KNOW THERE'S STILL A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY AND I, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYONE'S DILIGENCE HERE, BOTH AMONGST COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE NEED TO CALL THE QUESTION THOUGH, AND I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND GO FOR AT THIS SITE, THE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SMITH, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, UH, COMMISSIONER BRAY. SO I DID HAVE A THING ABOUT THE CAVE THAT I THINK IS SIGNIFICANT. UM, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CAVES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. UH, THE CAVE THAT WAS EXPLORED AS LUBY'S CAVE, UH, THAT WAS WHEN THEY FOUND THAT I DON'T, IT'S NOT LIKE THE MAIN CAVE THAT PEOPLE LIKE. SO THE MAIN CAVE, UH, THAT EVERYONE'S BEEN KIND OF LIKE THE KIDS WERE LOST IN AND HAS A LOT OF UNIQUE FEATURES, UM, IS DEAD, DARK CAVE. AND THAT ONE IS CURRENTLY SEALED. AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, IT'S KIND OF AN OPEN QUESTION IS IF IT'S SEALED, IF IT'S EVEN GOOD TO REOPEN IT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE. UM, AND SO THAT ONE HAS NOT BEEN ASSESSED, UM, ENTERED INTO, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE ENTERED INTO THAT'S ABOVE MY EXPERTISE TO SAY, UH, WHAT LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY SHOULD GO IN AND DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT. UM, I WOULD WANT THE, YOU KNOW, I, IF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER, UM, I, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS FOR THAT. UM, I WOULD LET YOU KNOW, IF THE DEVELOPER COMMIT TO LETTING ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT TAKE PLACE BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL EARLY, YOU KNOW, LETTING SOMEONE INTO THAT CAVE, IF, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S RESPONSIBLE. UM, I, I WOULD HOPE FOR THAT. UM, AND, BUT THERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT CAMPS JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO, UH, TH THAT ALSO MAY CAVE ALSO GOES MOSTLY UNDER OPAC. THERE MIGHT BE A BIT OF IT, UH, THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, THE ENTRANCE, THE FIRST KIND OF CHAMBER, UH, IS MAYBE 10 FEET INTO THE PROPERTY. UM, AND SO THERE'S POSSIBLY SOME POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE DIGGING DOWN DEEP, LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE MIGHT HIT PART OF IT. UM, SO, UH, I, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT STILL IS EVALUATED THERE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN DANGER NOW THAT MAIN CAVE DOESN'T GO, LIKE, THERE'S A HUGE CHAMBER IN THERE. THAT'S UNUSUAL, UM, THAT IS UNDER THE SERVICE ROAD. UM, AND SO THAT ONE, WE'RE NOT IN DANGER OF LIKE, CAVE IN THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, BUT, UH, I KNOW COMMISSIONER TALKING TO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY? YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO, UM, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I GOT FROM CITY STAFF TODAY THAT MANAGED THE BALCONIES PRESERVE AND THAT BOTH THE ECOLOGISTS AND THEIR CAVE EXPERT, [02:55:02] BOTH SUSPECT THAT CAVES ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME CAVE AND, AND JAMES RODEL, ALSO THE, THE, UH, UM, CAVE INVERTEBRATES SPECIALISTS. AND THEY SUSPECT THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY DEAD DOG CAVE IS LUBY'S CAVE, AND THEY ARE LIKELY CONNECTED IF NOT THE SAME CAVE. AND THEY'RE THERE. I CAN SHARE THE, THE, UM, EMAILS WITH EVERYONE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION THAT I GOT LIKE AN HOUR BEFORE OUR MEETING, THAT THERE, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE CONSENSUS AMONG THE EXPERTS THAT IT'S LIKELY THE SAME CAVE SYSTEM, IF NOT THE SAME EXACT CAVE, UM, BECAUSE OF GRAFFITI, AGE OF GRAFFITI AND JUST THEY'RE 50 FEET APART. AND TYPICALLY KARST IS, IS CONNECTED. SO JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE WERE GIVEN INFORMATION IN OUR LAST MEETING, THAT LUBY'S CAVE IS THIS LIKE BRAND NEW CAVE, IT'S ALL ITS OWN. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE PORTRAYAL. AND SO FOLKS SHOULD CONSIDER THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT LIKE, CHANGES THE ASSESSMENT HERE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE VALUE, I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF GIVING MYSELF. DEFINITELY NOT AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DO A LOT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU RUN INTO POINTS WHERE IT'S, THAT YOU CAN'T GET IT TO ONCE A DIRECTION WE CAN GET TO ANOTHER. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO LIKE, BE ABLE TO MAGICALLY TRANSPORT PAST BARRIERS OR THINGS ARE CAVED IN. I SAID, THIS THERE'S A LOT, YOU KNOW, AS I WAS READING THROUGH A LOT OF THE RULES ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR YOU GO AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HIT ROCK, REDUCE INACCESSIBLE BY HUMANS, BUT THERE COULD BE MORE PAST THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE IN FRONT OF BRITS. AND I THINK THAT'S MY POINT, IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THE CAVES NOT PASSABLE BY US, IT STILL COULD BE HABITAT AND THAT, AND THAT DESERVES TO BE EXAMINED. YEAH. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION IS FROM ENVIRONMENT WHEN I WAS HEARING, IS THAT LIKE, DO YOU WANT TO DISTURB IT? YOU KNOW? UH, CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO ACTIVELY LIKE DRILL DOWN TO GET INTO IT AND MAYBE THE ACT OF DOING THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND I WOULD DEFER, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING TO THE EXPERTS ON THAT. YEAH. UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND THIS WAS A PROJECT AND THE DESIRE DEVELOPMENT ZONE IN THE URBAN WATER SHED THAT ACIDOSIS MOPAC ACCESS IN A STACK AVENUE. IT'S A REDUCTION IN PERVIOUS COVER. THEY'RE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT SOME LEVEL, NOT THE LEVEL OF, OF BUDDING LAWS, UM, AND PROMOTING HOUSING FOR AUSTIN. AND WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, ARE THERE ANY OTHER FINAL QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK BEFORE WE VOTE? WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY LIKE ALSO THE TCQ THING, UM, YOU WERE SAYING THE STAFF DON'T EVALUATE IT, BUT THEY DO REQUIRE TO TCEQ TO EVALUATE IT. UM, AND THAT IT LOOKS OKAY, BUT TO BE CLEAR, THE TCQ DOESN'T EVALUATE BIOTA. AND THAT'S JUST BEEN, MY POINT IS THAT NINA, NONE OF THE PROCESSES IN PLACE, UH, HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT. SO IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE TCQ DOESN'T DO THAT. THE CITY OF AUSTIN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WILL NOT DO THAT. I WAS MISSTATING MY TO TCQ THE FISH, AUSTIN FISH AND WILDLIFE FOR THE BUCK COUNTY, KENNY LAND RESERVE. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. FROM WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID, LAST MEETING THAT CITIES CONSULT WITH THEM, BUT THEY REQUIRE THE PEOPLE THERE'S PART OF SITE PLANS. YOU ARE REQUIRED TO CONSULT WITH THE CUNY CUNY TCEQ. SO IT'S NOT THE CITY DIRECTLY DOING IT, BUT IT IS REQUIRED. SO THE ACU DOES NOT REGULATE THIS PART OF TRAVIS COUNTY. THE EDWARDS PROGRAM DOES NOT EXTEND. AND IN TRAVIS COUNTY, IN THIS AREA, THE MAPPING STOPPED AT THE COUNTY LINE. I ONLY REGULATE WILLIAMSON COUNTY DOWN TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY INDUSTRY TCQ. WOULDN'T BE INVOLVED WITH US FISH AND WILDLIFE WOULD BE INVOLVED IN DANGEROUS BASICS. UM, ONLY IF PROMPTED BY THE APPLICANT. AND I THINK LIZ, JOHNSON'S ON THE PHONE. IF WE WANT TO ASK HER FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE PROCESS. WELL, THAT'S YOUR OPINION, SIR. THERE ARE OTHER BOOKS ON CALLING THE QUESTION THAT REQUIRES A TWO THIRDS VOTE, JUST FLOODING THE TWO THIRDS VOTE IT'S GETTING LATE. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, WHICH IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND WEIGHT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A VOTE TO CALL THE POLICE TO CALL THE CALL. I'M SORRY. SO IT'S TWO THIRDS TO EVEN CONSIDER VOTING. UH, SO WHAT IS THAT? SEVEN SOMEBODY'S MATHEMATICIANS. ANYONE THOUGHT WE HAVE A STATS PROF HERE 10 OF US AND 70% WILL BE 2 37. AND THAT WAS THAT WE ASKED LIZ WHAT THE, YOU JUST CALL THE COPS TRYING TO CALL. I'M TRYING TO GET A VOTE. IT'S NOT GOING TO . ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF VOTING RIGHT NOW? JUST CALLING THE QUESTION. THAT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, JUST FOUR OF US. OKAY. [03:00:01] WE HAVE ANOTHER FIVE TO FIVE THOUGH. YES. SO, UM, LET'S HEAR FROM MS. JOHNSTON. IS THAT A YES. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD THING, COMMISSIONER. THIS IS LIZ JOHNSTON. UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT THE QUESTION? I WAS JUST ASKING THAT, UM, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY THE PROCESS FOR THE ENDANGERED SPECIES, UM, INTERACTION WITH THE BCP AND OUR FISH AND WILDLIFE, OR IF YOU COULD CLARIFY THE ROLE OF THAT LEVEL OF REVIEW. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, THIS IS OKAY. MS. JOHNSON. I'M A DEPUTY ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER WITH WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT AND, UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE SECTION OF CODE THAT SPEAKS TO THE CITY OF AUTHORITY WITH REGARDS TO ENDANGERED SPECIES. AND THAT REQUIRES, UM, REQUIRED STAFF IN CERTAIN AREAS TO, UM, NOTIFY OR REQUEST THE APPLICANT NOTIFIED CERTAIN, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE AUTHORITIES AND EITHER THE FISHING WILDLIFE OR BALCONY CAN LAND PRESERVE. UM, AND THAT IS ONLY FOR CERTAIN SITES. UM, SO NOT EVERY SITE IN THE AREA. AND SO, UM, THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 ACRES THAT ARE ILLEGALLY PLANTED. THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY A TOAD REQUIREMENT THAT THE, UM, UH, THE STAFF REQUIRE THAT NOTICE TO OCCUR NOW, WATERSHED PROTECTION AND HYDROGEOLOGY STAFF, AS THEY ARE CONCERNED, THEY CAN CERTAINLY COORDINATE, UM, ON THEIR OWN, BUT THERE'S NOT A TUDE REQUIREMENT AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, UM, HOLD UP OUR, UH, WE COULD NOT MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT OF OUR THREE VIEW. UM, BUT, BUT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, USING OUR OWN PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, REACH OUT TO THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES. UM, IF, IF WE HAD DONE SOME OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SO, AND I'M JUST READING THIS EMAIL FROM MIKE MACDOUGAL THAT WAS SENT TO, UH, SOME OF US TODAY AT 4:39 PM. AND IT SAYS LDC 25 DASH EIGHT DASH 6 9 6 A AND B STATE THAT ON SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR SUBDIVISION OR SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN AN AREA DESCRIBED IN SECTION 25, 8 DASH 6, 9 3 BIRDS CASE VC'S SALAMANDER SPECIES. THE APPLICANT SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF THE APPLICATION TO THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITY, INCLUDING US FISH AND WILDLIFE, TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE ABOUT KONY. HE FORGOT THE BEAT, BUT ABOUT KONA'S CANYON LAND CONSERVATION PLAN, COORDINATING COMMITTEE, SECRETARY, AND THE TRAVIS OR WILLIAMSON COUNTY AS APPLICABLE. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR SITE PLAN, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT NOTICE TO ALL THESE FOUR DIFFERENT ENTITIES. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICABILITY OF THAT SECTION, SO TWENTY-FIVE 8, 6 91, AND I'M SORRY, I'M KIND OF QUIET. I HAVE TO LIKE PUSH IT TO MY EAR TO HEAR YOU. OKAY. SORRY. IS THIS A LITTLE BETTER? I'M HOLDING IT RIGHT UP TO MY PHONE. OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICABILITY OF THAT SECTION 25, 8, 6 91 B IT SAYS THIS ARTICLE DOES NOT APPLY TO DEVELOPMENT OF, AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THREE ATTRACTIVE LAND CONTAINING NOT MORE THAN 10 ACRES, IF THE TRACTOR LEGALLY PLANTED. SO ASSUMING THAT THIS LOT IS LESS THAN 10 ACRES AND LEGALLY PLANTED, THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO THAT BLOCK. I SEE. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. MR. KING, I SAW YOUR HAND. I JUST WANTED TO GET, UH, THE, THE VOTE ON THAT, IN THAT QUESTION. UH, CALL THE QUESTION THAT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH, UH, YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER ACOSTA AND COMMISSIONER RAY. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT VOTED FOR THE, OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE MY NOTES, RIGHT. IT WENT BY SO FAST. SURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WHERE ARE WE? LET'S SEE COMMISSIONER BRIGHT WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT PLEASE MAKE IT BRIEF. OKAY. UM, YEAH, LIKE THAT, MY POINT THAT, SO, UH, ON THE, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT THE HABITAT ON THE, UH, WE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, REGULAR DATA. NOW WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT. UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE, UH, THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS BEING ADMINISTERED BY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, OR THERE'S A, THERE'S AN AGREEMENT WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. SO WE'RE NOT RELYING ON NEIGHBORHOOD WE'RE, UH, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS IN CHARGE OF ADMINISTERING THAT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN TRUST HABITAT FOR HUMANITY TO NOT MAKE ELECT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT. IT'S NOT HABITAT. YEAH, IT'S NICE. IT'S A DIFFERENT WORK. IT'S A DIFFERENT NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. IT'S BREAD, WHICH IS AN AFFILIATE OF HABIT. MICHAEL WHALEN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, [03:05:01] HOMEBASE IS, UH, AN AFFILIATE, AN AFFILIATE OF HABITAT. THEY ARE, UH, IT'S THEIR ARM THAT, UH, DOES THE, UH, RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THEM. AND, UH, THE 80% NUMBER IS EXACTLY WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THIS AREA UNDER VERTICAL MIXED USE, WHICH IS WHY THAT 80% NUMBER WAS SELECTED. OKAY. DINKLER, THAT'S A QUICK QUESTION FOR LIZ AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER LOOKED AT THIS SITE, UM, AND HERE'S, HERE'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M WRESTLING WITH ON THIS. I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST IT. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S EVEN CLOSE TO BEING GOOD. UM, IT'S WHERE I WORRY IS SALAMANDER. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WERE STUDIES SAYING WE WERE ALREADY EXCEEDING THE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS FOR THEM. AND WE HAD SALAMANDER NORTH OF SPICEWOOD. UH, THIS CAME UP WITH THE OSNOS POD CASE, AND THERE MAY BE QUESTIONED THAT THERE ARE SALAMANDER HERE. SO WE ARE BASING A DECISION ON 80% IMPERVIOUS COVER, WHICH IS MUCH MORE THAN THE PERVIOUS COVER AND OTHER PROPERTIES. IT'S 55, 60, 65, I THINK IN SOME OF THE OTHERS ZONING CATEGORIES. I HOPE I'M SPEAKING CORRECTLY. UM, SO IT'S, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO ASK THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER TO WEIGH IN ON A ZONING CASE THEY HAVE BEFORE A LOT OF, UM, SORRY, YOU DID. AND TRYING TO GET BACK. UM, THIS IS LIZ JOHNSON, DEPUTY ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER. UM, SO THE PREVIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER CHRIS HARRINGTON DID KIND OF DO A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, BUT OF COURSE HE WAS HESITANT TO MAKE ANY PRONOUNCEMENTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UH, WITHOUT A SITE PLAN, HE WAS, UM, TYPICALLY VERY, UH, RELUCTANT TO DO SO BECAUSE WE NEED TO SEE ALL THAT PERTINENT INFORMATION, WHICH WE WOULD NOT HAVE IT AS ZONING CASE. UM, WE DO HAVE AN INTERIM ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER, UM, UM, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, SARAH HARTLEY, UM, AND WE COULD BRING THAT TO HER, BUT SHE WILL ALSO RELY VERY HEAVILY ON, ON STAFF. UM, I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE TO, TO, UM, FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR, UM, GESTURES, BUT AGAIN, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RELEVANT INFORMATION AT THIS TIME BEING ZONING. AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION THEN FOR MR. REDA. SO I'LL BE BRIEF. I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THE TRAMMELL CROW CASE WHERE THERE WERE, AND THIS WAS RIGHT BY THE ARBORETUM. UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAD A SITE PLAN ON THAT ONE EITHER. AM I REMEMBERING IT RIGHT? I I'M, I'M THINKING AT LEAST WE NEED TO GET AN ENHANCED ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT. UM, I'M TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO SKIN THE CAT, YOU KNOW, SHALL WE, CAN WE REFER IT TO, TO GET FEEDBACK FROM FISH ON AN, YOU KNOW, IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THE CARS, EVEN THOUGH, UH, THEY DON'T, THIS IS A CITY PROCESS WHEN WE SEND IT TO, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER. I'M NOT SURE I'M TOTALLY AGREEING WITH YOUR COMMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF US. LIKE I SWEAR THEY'VE COME IN WITHOUT A SITE PLAN. UM, YOU KNOW, GENERAL COMMENTS WOULD HELP A LOT ON THIS ONE. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING IS IF WE WANT TO GET A RECOMMENDATION OUT THAT MAY BE THE WAY TO HANDLE THIS, UM, COMMENTS, SHERRY, LIZ COMMISSIONER GENTLER. I MEAN, BUT YOUR PURVIEW HERE TONIGHT IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING. I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SEND IT TO AN OUTSIDE AGENCY FOR THEIR COMMENTS. OKAY. AND WE DO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON THE APPLICATION. YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE ANY USE CONDITIONAL THROUGH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT I'M HEARING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IF I'M, UH, CRYSTALLIZING THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT WE, THERE IS GENERAL CONCERN THAT, THAT TO ME, IF, MM, SIX DOESN'T BELONG NEXT TO A FREEWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT BELONGS. SO, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE VERY CONCERNED. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN [03:10:01] ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF DELICATE, CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES UNDERNEATH THE PROPERTY. AND THE IDEA OF DIGGING THREE STORIES BELOW A PROPERTY FOR PARKING SEEMS DANGEROUS FOR THE WATER AND THE OTHER FEATURES THAT COULD BE UNDERNEATH. AND THERE'S ALREADY BEEN AN AGREEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THERE ONLY BE FIVE STORIES ABOVE GROUND OR 90 FEET, WHICH IS THE LIMIT. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE WOULD, WE COULD IN SOME WAY, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GO WITH THE ZONING AND PROVIDE THE LIMIT. AND, UM, AND JUST SAY THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE AN UNDERGROUND PARKING, JUST CAN'T DIG. I DON'T KNOW. YES. GIVE US YOUR GREENBERG. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THAT LETTER THAT CAME AT 5 53 FROM SYLVIA, POPE SAYS, SEEN IT RECOMMENDED THAT THE EXCAVATION DEPTH SHOULD BE RESTRICTED TO A MAXIMUM OF FOUR FEET. SHE SAID, SO THAT'S AN OPTION TO GO MF SIX WITH THE, THEN MAYBE THEY CAN, WE CAN DO SOME KIND OF DEAL WHERE THEY'RE ON THE TRANSIT ROUTE. SO MAYBE EVERYBODY TAKES THE BUS AND THEY DON'T NEED PARKING. IS THAT EVEN ALLOWABLE? THAT IS NOT SORRY. I'M JUST BEING OPTIMISTIC. I MEAN, COMMISSIONERS, THE TOAD IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT CAN, CAN, AND CANNOT BE IN A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. WE CAN RESTRICT SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND WE CAN RESTRICT PERMITTED USES, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LIMITED. RIGHT. BUT DOES THAT INCLUDE, UM, ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CUTTING INTO THE, INTO THE PROPERTY? UH, NO. THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN. OKAY. LET'S SEE. I HAVE BRAY AND THEN DINKLER. OKAY. SO SORRY. I HAD A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS BEFORE WE GOT SIDETRACKED BY THE CONVERSATION. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN ZONING, 80, 85% IS A LOT NOW, UM, OR 80 IS 85% NOW. AND WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS ZONED ALLOWS 80%. SO WE ARE NOT ABSORBING ON THE PREVIOUS COVER, JUST ADDRESSING THE POINT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ZONINGS. UM, THERE, UH, I, GOING BACK TO THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT STUFF, EFFICIENT WILDLIFE, OR, YOU KNOW, SAFE STAFF, OR JUST AS EFFICIENT WILDLIFE AND BACKBONE OR THE BACKBONE IS PLANET AND RESERVE AND THEY FIND SOMETHING WRONG. THEY CAN STOP DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? IT'S THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ENFORCED, OR I GUESS LIKE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS. LIKE THEY'RE NOT RELYING ON THE CITY. IT'S JUST THAT THERE IS NO MECHANISM FOR STAFF TO REACH OUT TO THOSE ENTITIES. WELL, I'M HERE. THERE'S NOT LIKE, OKAY. MY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT'S DONE IN AN OFFICIAL WAY, LIKE, OR THERE'S NOT LIKE A LIKE CHECKBOX THAT THEY HAVE TO LIKE TO REQUIRE TO, BUT THEY STILL COULD UNOFFICIALLY, LIKE, IT'S, IT'S MORE AT THE DISCRETION. IT'S JUST NOT LIKE IT'S NOT CODIFIED, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING PREVENTING THEM. IS THAT ACCURATE, WENDY? WELL, THE STAFF, I BELIEVE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SITE PLAN REVIEW. YES. THAT CAN NOT BE A CONDITION OF THE ZONING CASE. SO IT WOULD BE, I'M ASKING ABOUT THE QUESTION OF THE CASE I'M ASKING ABOUT. SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HERE AND I APOLOGIZE, THIS TAKES A LOT OF TIME, BUT I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO THOROUGHLY DISCUSS THIS, UM, IS THAT I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A TRICKY CASE. IT TRICKY BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THINGS DO WE FEEL NEEDED? WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVALUATING WHAT WE CAN SAY. THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE HANDLING IT. LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DETERMINED THAT THAT'S WHAT CYCLING IS FOR. UM, AND SO I THINK KNOWING WHAT THE SITE PLAN PROCESS IS, IS IMPORTANT TO HELPING US MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION HERE. UM, AND SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS LIKE, AND THEN IT COMES UP THAT LIKE, WELL, THE SITE PLAN PROCESSES AND REVIEWS FOR A NATURE SPECIES ACT. BUT IF THE, YOU KNOW, PART OF SITE PLANNING, THEY'RE ASKING IF THEY'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE OTHER AGENCIES TO GET INVOLVED IN THOSE OTHER AGENCIES HAVE THEIR OWN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. I THINK WE CAN TRUST THAT, BUT I'M TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S THE CASE. I WONDER IF WE CAN GET A VERBAL COMMITMENT FROM THE APPLICANT ON KIND OF WHAT THEIR PROCESS APPROACH IS GOING TO BE, HAVING LEARNED, WHAT THEY'VE LEARNED TONIGHT, WOULD THAT HELP? I DON'T KNOW. CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK, LIKE, WENDY'S LIKE, OR JUST, IF SOMEONE KNOWS, LIKE, CAN FISH AND WILDLIFE OR BACONE LINES, OR THEY'RE CONTACTED BY STAFF, UH, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ENFORCEMENT TALK TO DEVELOPMENT OR FINES, YOU KNOW, LIKE [03:15:01] THAT WE CAN TRUST THAT. AND I, AND MR. DICKLER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THAT? OKAY. I, I JUST WANT TO BE, UH, I WANT TO MAKE WHEN YOU'RE DONE. ALL RIGHT. SO CAN YOU, SORRY. I'M TIRED OF BLANKING ON NAMES STILL WENT IN THE ENVIRONMENTALS. YES. YES. COMMISSIONER BRAY. I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS BECAUSE I DON'T REVIEW SITE PLANS AT ZONING. SO, UH, I THINK THAT LIZ JOHNSON OR DEPUTY ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER HAS ALREADY ADDRESSED WHAT THEY WILL LOOK AT AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION THOUGH. LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, I GUESS LIKE AROUND, AND MAYBE SHE DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT BEING A DYSREGULATED, I SUSPECT THAT SHE MIGHT MAYBE ANOTHER EVEN MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION OR SOMEONE ELSE, BUT, UM, TC OR, SORRY, NOT TCQ. I KEEP GETTING THAT WRONG FISH AND WILDLIFE HAS RECOMMENDED CANYON LAND. THEY'RE CONTACTED BY THE CITY. THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR OWN REVIEW PROCESS AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. LIKE THAT'S WHAT I STRONGLY SUSPECT NOW, TRYING TO SEE IF SOMEONE CAN CLARIFY THAT OR PROVIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IS THAT A PROCESS THAT WE CAN TRUST THAT EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE CITY DOING IT, IT WILL BE DONE. AND WE INITIATED THE APPLICANTS. THAT'S THE CITY, CANADA, THE CITY CAN'T CONTACT THEM AND THEY CAN INITIATE IT. THIS IS LIZ JOHNSON, THIS IS LIZ JOHNSON. HOPEFULLY I CAN HELP ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. UM, WE, WE, IF, IF WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES ON THIS SITE, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY REACH OUT TO OUR COLLEAGUES AND EITHER THE FISHING WILDLIFE OR BOCCONI CANYONLANDS PRESERVE, AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ENFORCE AS THEY ARE ABLE, I CANNOT SPEAK TO WHAT THEIR ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM MIGHT, MAY OR MAY NOT BE. AND I CAN'T ALSO SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD HAPPEN ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT AT THIS TIME, BUT IT IS A FRIENDLY REMINDER. WE HAVE 40 MINUTES LEFT FOR TWO MORE CASES. SO LET'S SORRY. OKAY. OH, WAIT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO, WE WANT TO VOTE ON THE MOTION. THAT'S ON THE TABLE, WHICH IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I WANT TO MOVE A SUBSTITUTE. OKAY, GREAT. I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS CASE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN GET INFORMATION FROM OUR, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER, UM, MISS HARTLEY, NOT THE NAME, UH, WHERE SHE CAN GIVE SOME, UH, GUIDANCE RELATING TO THE POSSIBLE ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES THAT MIGHT COUNT ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESSES THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY, UH, WHEN THEY WOULD COME AND PLAY. UM, ANYTHING THAT SHE CAN SAY ABOUT, UH, UM, THE POLLUTION PLANS, UH, WATER POLLUTION, ABATEMENT PLANS THEY MIGHT BE REQUIRED TO DO OR TEACH YOU EDC. ANYTHING SHE CAN SAY ABOUT KARST, ANYTHING SHE CAN SAY ABOUT SALAMANDER. WE HAVE A SALAMANDER PERSON ON STAFF. UH JOLLYVILLE AND I'M SURE SHE CAN TALK TO FISH. I JUST WANT A BRIEFING MEMO UM, UH, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT, UM, MF SIX. I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE SIX MONTHS TO DO IT IS MY GUEST. AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP RAISE SOME COMFORT LEVELS. UM, IF THEY NEED MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT, I'M SURE THEY CAN REACH OUT. UH, BUT THAT'S MY MOTION AND I REALLY HOPE WE HAVE A SECOND. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. UM, MR. COOK, ARE YOU SECONDING THE POST-MOMENT OH, YOU'RE ON MUTE. I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS THE, TO POSTPONE TO OUR NEXT MEETING, UM, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE IN SEPTEMBER THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE IN PERSON GUYS. RIGHT. AND TO GET INFORMATION TO IT AND TO GET, WAS IT A MEMO FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER? CORRECT. SO YOU WOULDN'T BE THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER. SHE WILL BE THE, WHAT IS IT? REAL TERM ACTING ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER. YEAH. AND, AND, AND DO YOU AND MS. JOHNSON MAY TELL ME IF SHE THINKS THAT WOULD BE TWO WEEKS WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR IT'S THREE WEEKS, THREE WEEKS, THREE WEEKS. OKAY. THAT'S REASONABLE THEN. UM, SO MY, WHAT, I, I'M JUST GOING TO INTERJECT HERE BECAUSE I HAVE KNOWN MS. HARTLEY FOR OVER A DECADE. AND, UM, I LOVE HER TO DEATH. SHE'S AN AWESOME WOMAN, BUT SHE IS GOING TO TALK TO HER STAFF ABOUT IT. THERE MIGHT BE TIME FOR THEM TO DO MORE RESEARCH, BUT [03:20:01] SHE'S GOING TO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL GET A DIFFERENT RESPONSE. YEAH. I'M HOPING WHAT SHE CAN DO IS, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW ALL THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES THAT MIGHT COME INTO PLAY BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS CLEAR THERE'S CUT AND FILL ALREADY, UH, THAT THERE MAY BE VOID REQUIREMENTS, WHICH MAY AFFECT THE, THE HEIGHT ISSUES. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? UH, ALL THE POTENTIAL SCENARIOS THAT I I'D LIKE TO HEAR HER WEIGH IN ON JUST A BRIEFING MEMO. UM, AND, UM, SO CHAIR I'M SECONDING THAT MOTION. OKAY, GREAT. UM, OKAY. SO JUST, UH, AN ENVIRONMENTAL BRIEFING, UM, MS. THOMPSON, IF HE CAN HELP ME, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. POTENTIAL VARIANCES. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO WALK INTO A SITUATION LIKE WE DID WITH THE, UH, SPICE WOOD CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED THE REZONING ON THE ROOF, 11, 17 ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES. IT WAS HORRIBLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S NEAR THAT SITUATION. I DON'T, BUT I AM REALLY TRYING TO KNOW WHAT POTENTIAL VARIANCES THERE ARE, WHO WOULD BE INVOLVED BY LAW. AND WHEN DOES THAT HELP CLARIFY IT AND ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THEY CAN MAKE ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER? UM, OKAY. WELL, THEY CAN CERTAINLY, UH, I THINK THEY CAN GET GENERAL INFO AND WE'RE ALL KIND OF FLOUNDERING HERE. DO WE NEED TO QC, DO WE NOT, UM, REGULATE THIS AREA? I WROTE, I KNOW THEY DO NOT REGULATE THIS. I BELIEVE YOU. OKAY. SURE. YES. YEAH. AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO WHY I'M THE SUPPORTING OUR SECONDING, THE MOTION IN THAT BRIEFLY. AND THAT IS BECAUSE SHE'S JUST ASKING FOR MORE TIME TO GET MORE INFORMATION THAT'S RELEVANT TO THE ZONING BEING REQUESTED. AND I SAID, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF GETTING, HAVING MORE TIME TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WILL INFORM OUR DECISION. SO THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DEBATE BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE SECONDARY MOTION? YES. GREENBERG. I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE WE DID THIS ONCE WITH A POSTPONEMENT TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND STAFF PRETTY MUCH TOLD US YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING MORE FROM US. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS. AND THREE MORE WEEKS DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. NOPE. I UNDERSTAND. IT JUST COSTS THE DEVELOPER MORE MONEY. UM, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES AND THIS WILL GO TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND SOMETIMES THOSE COME BACK TO US THAT WE VOTE ON ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IF YOU KNOW, THIS GOES FORWARD AND COUNCIL APPROVES IT. YEAH. I'M RELUCTANT TO VOTE FOR THIS MOTION JUST BECAUSE OF HOW HARD I HAD TO WORK TO GET VERY, YOU KNOW, TO GET INFORMATION AT ALL OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS. SO I, I JUST FEAR WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DELAY WITHOUT ACTUALLY ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO HELP US MAKE A DECISION. SO YEAH, GO AHEAD, DEAN CLAIRE. OH, YOU PUT YOURSELF ON MUTE. I ALMOST HAD IT ALMOST. UM, THE OTHER THING I WAS LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO GATHER INFORMATION IS I WENT TO THE TRAFFIC. UM, THIS IS NOT A SITE THAT'S REALLY WALKABLE. BIKEABLE IT'S GOING TO BE A DRIVE SITE AND YOU'RE RIGHT, RIGHT. I AM NO, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO RIDE YOUR BIKE. OKAY. OKAY. BYE. I PULLED UP FOR THE SITE. IT WAS 41% WALKABILITY, UM, TRANSIT, NOT SO MUCH. AND IF YOU WANT TO BIKE FROM STACK TO THEIR RANDALL'S TO GET YOUR GROCERIES OR TO THE HGB ON FAR WEST OR THE RANDALL'S ON SPICEWOOD, YOU'RE REALLY GONNA TAKE HER CAR. SO IT DOMINATED. LOOK AT THE, IT GOT ME TO LOOK AT THE OSS MIX PAD. UH, TIA A STACK IS A MESS. IT'S ALREADY AN F NOW, UH, GOING EAST WEST. THIS IS NOT A TRANSIT QUARTER. SO I THINK IT WOULD HELP JUST TO HAVE A BRIEFING FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT THOSE ADDITIONAL THOUSAND TRIPS MEAN, COUPLED WITH THE AUSTIN POTE AS PET, IF IT WAS FULLY DEVELOPED. ALSO IF THE FROST PROPERTY, UH, ON FAR WEST IS REDEVELOPED, YOU HAVE A LOT OF F AT MOPAC BASED ON THOSE TWO CASES ALONE. AND I'M TALKING FIVE MINUTE DELAYS, UM, IN 2018. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IF FOLKS DON'T WANT TO GO GET MORE INFORMATION, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THAT WAS ANOTHER BASIS [03:25:01] FOR GETTING IT RIGHT. MY BASIS IS I WILL, I WOULD VOTE FOR A POSTPONEMENT IF WE CAN'T RECOMMEND IT. UM, I WANT TO VOTE FOR SIX. I'M PREPARED TO VOTE FOR MF SIX AND HOPING THAT MORE INFORMATION THAT SOME OF THESE POINTS GET BROUGHT UP BEFORE COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, USING THAT AT THE TIME IN BETWEEN COUNCIL, THAT COUNCIL CAN CAUSE THEY GET TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THE FINAL ARBITER HERE, IT'S COUNCIL. SO I THINK THEY CAN DIG INTO THAT MORE. AND THIS IS BEEN A GOOD POINT TO LIKE BRING UP SOME OF THAT. SO IN THIS, FOR THE SAKE OF MOVING THE PROCESS ALONG AND NOT HAVING ARE OVER ALREADY OVERLY CONVOLUTED LAND USE CODE PROCESS, WELL, LET ME WITHDRAW MY MOTION. YEAH. BUT I WOULD VOTE FOR A POSTPONEMENT IF WE CAN'T, DON'T GO FOR BUT THAT'S OKAY. I GOTCHA. OKAY. THAT'S I DON'T THINK YOU CAN WITHDRAW A MOTION. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED. TARA COMING FROM LIAISON, ANDREW VERA, IF THERE'S NO OPPOSITION, THE I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING WITH THE HIT. I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER RAY'S ORIGINAL MOTION SECONDED BY SHERIFF SMITH FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION I'VE AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND ABSTENTIONS COMMISSIONER KING. I DIDN'T, IT WAS KIELBASA GREENBERG AND THOMPSON ABSTAIN. LIKE ADD ME AS AN ABSTAIN, MAKE THE INTERSTATE TO ME ENDING THERE ALSO ABSTAINING. OKAY. OKAY. ON TO B THREE. I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU PLEASE? SO THE, THE VOTE WAS FOUR EXTENSIONS. YES, SIR. UH, WHERE DID YOU REPEAT THOSE KIELBASA? DICKLER THOMPSON AND GREENBERGER ABSTAINING. IT'S THE DINKLER THOMPSON AND GREENBERG. YES. OKAY. SO DO, UM, AND, UH, SO, UH, YEAH, SO, SO I'VE GOT, SO THAT'D BE FIVE, ONE AND FOUR, THEN 5, 4, 1, NO VOTE IN FOUR EXTENSIONS. IT WAS THE NO VOTE MEAN, MICHELLE, SORRY. OKAY. DO MORE. AND WE GOT 30 MINUTES. SO TWO YES, B THREE AND B SIX, OUR DISCUSSION. SO, UH, LET'S SEE. LOOKS LIKE IT IS IT'S ROADS. THANK YOU. DO WE NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK OR DO YOU WANT ME TO PROBABLE ON, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO ON, SORRY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. MS. RHODES, WENDY, ARE YOU THERE? DID YOU FALL ASLEEP? CHAIR? COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ANDOVER. SO WE MAY NEED THAT FIVE MINUTE RECESS OR MAY BE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES ON OUR LINES, SO, OKAY. LET'S DO A STRETCH. YOUR LEGS. WE'LL BE BACK AT 9 35. DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT? NO, JUST TIME CERTAIN GIMPO. ELLEN, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR HAND? MOUNTAIN BIKING. OH MY GOD. YEAH. OH, GEE. BUT IN CAVING. WELL, NO, IT WAS, IT WAS UP IN IDAHO, LIKE SOME VERY BEAUTIFUL TRAILS, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO THE CITY TOO. IT'S LIKE A VERY COOL, UM, CHAT NETWORK THEY HAVE THERE. UM, SO FORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE CITY, SOME PEOPLE FOUND ME AND IT ENDED UP BEING OKAY, BUT, UM, YEAH. OH YES. OH, WE'RE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES ON THE LINE. IF WE CAN RECESS PLEASE. OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE RECESSED. WE'LL COME BACK AT 9 35. YES. YEAH, YOU'RE THERE. CAN YOU GIVE US A [B.3. Zoning: C14-2021-0040 - 1501 Crozier Lane Zoning; District 2] PRESENTATION FOR ITEM B3 PLEASE? YES. THIS IS WENDY ROADS. THIS IS CASEY 14 20 21 0 0 4 0 1 1 5 0 1 CROSIER LANE. THIS IS AN IRREGULAR SHAPE, UNDEVELOPED TRACT ANNEXED IN 2001, ASSIGNED INTERIM RURAL ZONING. UH, CARSON CREEK FLOWS THROUGH THE WESTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY TOWARDS THE CALL RIVER AND THE COLORADO COLORADO RIVER FORMS. THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY LINE. THERE IS A DRIVEWAY TO THIS TRACK FROM THE INTERSECTION OF CROSIER AND THORNBURY ROAD [03:30:01] TO THE EAST. CROSIER IS A BREWERY. THERE IS A COMMERCIAL PARKING FACILITY TO THE SOUTHEAST THAT TAKE BACKS UP TO 71. THERE'S THE CAPITOL MAINER MOBILE HOME PARK TO THE SOUTH. AND THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE THREE, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL USE TO OCCUR. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ZONE THE PROPERTY TO C S C O THAT'S GENERAL COMMERCIAL SERVICES, CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, SO THAT IT MAY BE DEVELOPED WITH LIMITED WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION USE. IT IS INTENDED FOR THE STORAGE AND WINE COLLECTIONS. THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY WOULD LIMIT THE PROPERTY TO WAREHOUSING LIMITED WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION PERMITTED USE IN THE GR DISTRICT, EXCEPT FOR AUTO-RELATED USES AND SEVERAL OTHERS AND REQUIRE THE APPLICATION OF THE CITY'S COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS ADJACENT TO THE MANUFACTURED HOME PARK. THE STAFF IS SUPPORTING CSCO BELIEVING THAT LIMITED WAREHOUSING IS A LOW INTENSIVE, LOW TRAFFIC GENERATING YOU. THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY PROHIBITS MORE INTENSIVE USES AND CS AND GR UH, DUE TO THE SITES LIMITED ACCESS ON CROSIER LANE. AND THIS IS A UNIQUE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE, UH, WHICH INCLUDES A SEGMENT OF CARSON CREEK AND THE COLORADO RIVER. THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANKS WENDY. AND THEN ANDREW, IT SOUNDED LIKE WE JUST HAD ONE SPEAKER. SURE. THAT IS CORRECT. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY MS. BROWN, MS. BROWN SELECT STAR SIX PROCEED. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AMANDA BROWN WITH KIMBERLY HORN. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. UM, I DIDN'T REALLY REPEAT ANYTHING. WENDY SAID SHE CAN LOST HER MS. BROWN. I APOLOGIZE. YOU WERE ACCIDENTALLY MUTED. YOU CAN BEGIN YOUR REMARKS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AMANDA BROWN. I'M WITH KIMLEY-HORN REPRESENTING THE, UM, POTENTIAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 1501 CROZIER LANE. UM, THE SITE IS THAT, UM, I'VE BEEN CALLING THIS THE JACKALOPE SITE DUE, DUE TO THE, THE SHAPE OF IT. UM, I'M NOT GOING TO REALLY REPEAT ANYTHING THAT WENDY HAS ALREADY SAID. SHE KIND OF COVERED IT PRETTY WELL. I THINK IN THE PRESENTATION, UM, EXHIBITS THAT I PROVIDED, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE COMPATIBILITY IS GOING TO BE IMPOSED ON THE SITE. UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH IS NOT, UM, IT ZONED INTERIM, RURAL RESIDENTIAL AS WELL, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY. SO WE'RE, UM, KIND OF SHOWING, SHOWING THAT SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE COMPATIBILITY WILL BE TRIGGERED. IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, PROHIBITED USELESS. UM, I DID WANT TO UPDATE THE COMMISSIONERS ON, UM, OUR MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE HAD ONE MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY, UM, AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE AND POSTING ANOTHER ONE ON SATURDAY. THIS COMING SATURDAY AT 11, UM, COMMISSIONER WOODY IS GOING TO BE ATTENDING WITH ME. SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE HOW THAT GOES. GENERALLY, WE'VE RECEIVED VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK. UM, MAIN CONCERNS THE NEIGHBOR HAVE HEARD HAVE BEEN THAT THE FLOODPLAIN IS, UM, IT'S GOT TRASH AND MATTRESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO GENERALLY THE IDEA OF A DEVELOPMENT KIND OF CLEANING UP THE CREEK. UM, AND WITH THAT, I AM, UH, OH, ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMERCIAL SITE AND THERE'LL BE, UM, A WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT, NO PARKLAND DEDICATION WILL BE REQUIRED. HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING THE PROPERTY DOES ACCESS, UM, ADJACENT TO THE COLORADO RIVER PARK HAS APPROACHED THE, UM, OWNER FOR A POTENTIAL EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A FUTURE TRAIL. SO WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS NOW WITH PARK TWO TO GIVE THEM THAT EASEMENT OR PERHAPS TEED THE LANDOVER. UNFORTUNATELY WE COULD NOT PUT THAT IN A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, UM, DUE TO THE LIMIT ALLOWED IN THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS, BUT WE ARE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH PARD. UM, AND, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL BE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANKS THIS COUCH. UM, IT'S A QUICK QUESTION FOR WINDY. WHY DIDN'T WE LOOK AT WAREHOUSE LIMITED, UM, ELO WOULDN'T THAT ALLOW WINE STORAGE IT'S A SMALLER, HIGH, LESS USES. UM, IT'S THROWING ME THAT IF WE HAD TO GO TO SEE US TO DO THIS, UH, JUST A MOMENT, BANKLER IT? THAT A YOUTH IS ALLOWED IN WLO, UM, THE LIMITED WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION. UM, BUT YEAH, WE, I GUESS, GIVEN THE PRESENCE OF, YES, YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET AND THE LLI, UH, TO THE EAST ON CROSIER LANE. UM, THAT WAS WHY WE CHOSE THE CSCO [03:35:01] HERE. OKAY. BUT WITHIN THAT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, UM, WAREHOUSE SOLO. UM, LET ME JUST PULL UP THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS VERY QUICKLY, I THINK IN TERMS OF USE. ABSOLUTELY. YES. THAT WOULD BE JUST FINE. I THINK THE ONLY, UM, I THINK IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COMMISSION WANTS TO GO, I MIGHT REQUEST A POSTPONEMENT. SO WE CAN GO LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT, THAT STILL WORKS FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT WOULD WORK, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE SITE. YEAH. UM, AND, UH, IS THAT GOING TO PROVIDE, BE ANY HARDSHIP FOR YOU IF WE POSTPONE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING? UM, NOPE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE JUST FINE WITH US. OKAY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE CIVIC USES CONCERNED ME. UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL THERE BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT NOISE. SO WHY WOULD WE ALLOW POTENTIALLY PRIVATE SCHOOL OR DAYCARE, ET CETERA. SO I'M JUST KIND OF LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT MY THINKING WAS ON IT. SO I'LL MOVE WE POSTED ON THERE. OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. SORRY. COMMISSIONER DEAN DINKLER. UM, THERE'S, UH, UH, PROHIBITED, USELESS THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AOC THREE DISTRICT THAT DOES PROHIBIT A LOT OF THOSE USES. OH, OKAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT. YEAH. AND I'M HAD IN SAM LISTED, UM, I'M SORRY, I JUST DON'T DIDN'T HAVE THAT BEFORE THE MEETING. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT AN AIRPORT OVERLAY. NO, THAT'S OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO JUST READ THE ADDITIONAL PROPOSED USES FOLKS AND I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE FOLKS' TIME. CAUSE I DIDN'T CATCH THIS UNTIL LATE TODAY. IS IT FROM THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WHERE IT SAYS THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY PROHIBITS THE FOLLOWING USES? YEAH. THERE'S NO SIN. THERE'S NO CIVIC USES IN THERE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'VE HAD SCHOOL DAYCARE. IF WE'RE PROHIBITING RENT AT ANY ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES UNDER A OVERLAY, WHY ARE WE ALLOWING A SCHOOL WHICH WOULD HAVE A PLAYGROUND OUTSIDE POTENTIALLY? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC SCHOOL. WHY WOULD WE ALLOW A DAYCARE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM OUTSIDE? IF, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THE PEOPLE MOVING INTO NOISY AREAS? UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING THOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROHIBITED, UH, THAT HADN'T FRANKLY, I THOUGHT, UH, W L A WOULD HAVE COVERED THIS. SO I DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST OF TABLE. I DON'T WANT TO CRAFT ONE OF THOSE MOTIONS AGAIN. SO, UM, IF IT DOESN'T HARM YOU, UM, WHY DON'T WE POSTPONE IT FOR TILL THE NEXT MEETING? IS THAT OKAY? AND I APOLOGIZE, MS. BRAMLETT I'VE BEEN CONTACTED EARLIER. UM, NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FINE. AND I'LL, I'LL BE SURE THAT YOU GET THE, UM, THE, THE PROHIBITED USELESS THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH AAO THREE, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT WENDY'S REPORT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE, UM, MENTIONED. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY, THIS IS WENDY RHODES AGAIN, UH, FOR THE WLO, THERE IS A 25 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT WIDTH ISSUE, UM, BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A HUNDRED FEET AND THIS HAS SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT. SO THIS ONLY HAS MY, MY ESTIMATIONS, IT HAS LESS AROUND 60 FEET BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED ACCESS. IF DAY, IF THE DAYCARE USES CHILDCARE USES AND THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOL USES ARE ON THAT LIST, WE DON'T NEED TO POSTPONE IF WE CAN JUST ADD THEM IN TO THE CEO, MY MAKING SOMEBODY WOULD BE GOOD WITH THAT. SO WENDY, ARE THEY ON THAT LIST? THEY AR WHATEVER. I KNOW WHAT NUMBER, THIS IS, B3, SOME NUMBERS AIRPORT BERGSTROM OVERLAY ZONE THREE. IT HAS AN R FOR SCHOOLS. YEAH. THEN THAT'S THAT'S FOR RESTRICTED USES. UM, SO IF I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UH, JUST TO BE SURE THAT WHETHER THEY'RE LOCATED ON, ON THAT USE OR NOT, I WANT TO DO SOME RESEARCH, BUT I'M NOT COMPLETELY PRESSED FOR TIME. YEAH. OKAY. LET'S JUST POSTPONE THEM. I'M SO SORRY. BUT, UM, YEAH. CHILDCARE IS THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. SECOND, [03:40:01] UH, COMMISSIONER KING IS SECOND TO THE POSTPONEMENT. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING, SEPTEMBER 7TH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR KOSTA. NO, I DIDN'T CLEAR. I'M ASSUMING WERE OKAY. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SMITHS AND ABSTAINING KOSTA. OKIE DOKE. NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU, MRS. BROWN. THANK YOU. I'LL TOUCH BASE. OKAY. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. YEAH. MOVING ON TO B6. [B.6. Zoning and Rezoning: C14-2021-0090 - 620 Hill Country Center; District 6] HELLO AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS SHERRY WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS ITEM D SIX, WHICH IS KC 14 20 21 0 0 9 0, WHICH IS THE SIX 20 HILL COUNTRY CENTER. IT'S LOCATED AT 1, 1 6 TO FOUR AND A HALF ANDERSON MILL ROAD. THE REQUEST IS FROM INTERIM RR, L O C O L R C O. AND GRC IS ZONING TO G RMU ZONING. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS GR UCA ZONING. THE CONDITIONAL LIGHT OVERLAY WILL PROHIBIT THE FOLLOWING USES ON THE PROPERTY. AUTOMOTIVE RENTALS, AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SERVICES THOUGHT ABOUT A SALES AUTOMOTIVE WASHING DROP-OFF RECYCLING COLLECTION FACILITY, EXTERMINATING SERVICES, FUNERAL SERVICES, SERVICE STATION, OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, AND OUTDOOR SPORTS AND RECREATION. AND ADDITION, THE OWNER SHALL MAINTAIN A 50 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY. RESIDENTIAL LOTS FOR A QUICK OVERVIEW OVERVIEW. THIS PROPERTY IS AN UNDEVELOPED AREA THAT TAKES US TO THE ANDERSON MILL ROAD. THE LOTS IN THE NORTH ARE DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE SOUTH ACROSS THE ANDERSON MILL ROAD. THERE'S A COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTER. TO THE EAST. THERE IS A WATER TOWER AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS THE ANDERSON MILL NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST FRONTING FM SIX 20 ROAD IS DEVELOPED WITH A PHARMACY AND GENERAL RETAIL SALES CONVENIENT TO USE TWO FINANCIAL SERVICES USES TWO BANKS, A FOOD SALES YOUTH, AND AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR BUSINESS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO ZONE THIS PROPERTY TO GR AMU TO DEVELOP RETAIL USES ON TRACK ONE AND A MAXIMUM OF 72 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON TRACK TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDS GR ZONING COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL MIXED USE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY DISTRICT ZONING BECAUSE THE PROPERTY MEETS THE INTENT OF THE GR MEW COMBINING DISTRICT, AS IT IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED WITH A COMBINATION OF OFFICE RETAIL AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES THAT WILL PROVIDE SERVICES TO MEET THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY NEEDS. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHWEST INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR ARTERIAL ROADWAY, NORTH FM SIX 20 AND ANDERSON MILL ROAD. THIS TRACT OF LAND WILL TAKE IT TO ANDERSON MILL ROAD AND IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL USES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST BESIDE UNDER CONSIDERATION IS 1.5 LINEAR MILES FROM THE LAKE LINE REGIONAL CENTER AS DESIGNATED IN THE IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND AS LESS THAN 525 LINEAR FEET FROM FM SIX 20, WHICH IS A MAJOR ARTERIAL HIGHWAY. AND THAT IS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I DID WANT TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAS DISCUSSED THE CASE AT LENGTH, AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO A LIST OF CONDITIONS FOR THE PROPERTY HE HAS MET WITH THE ANDERSON MILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE CANYON CREEK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND BOTH HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS STATING THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CASE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THE APP, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVE THE MEU OVERLAY DISTRICT FROM THEIR REQUEST THAT THE PROHIBITION OF AUTOMOTIVE WASHING BE REMOVED AND ALLOW THAT AS A PERMITTED USE ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THE REZONING OF LOT SIX, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TRACKED TWO ON THE PROPERTY, ON THE ZONING MAP FROM GR TO MS. TWO IN THE FUTURE. IF THE RESIDENTIAL RESTRICTION ON THE FINAL PLOT IS REMOVED. SO WITH THAT, UM, I WILL FORWARD THIS TO THE APPLICANT FOR HIS COMMENTS. HEY CHAIR. SO WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. MATTHIAS. UM, MR. MATTHIAS, YOU'LL SELECT STAR SIX, YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES. THIS IS RICHARD MATTHIAS REPRESENTING ME IN APPLICANTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONERS FOR HEARING THIS CASE. AND I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO, UM, SHERRY'S COMMENTS. SHE COVERED IT VERY WELL. I'LL JUST MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR [03:45:01] TO REBUT ANY, UM, COMMENTS THAT MIGHT BE MADE. I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION, UM, AND I'LL JUST RESERVE MY TIME TO DO REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MATTHIAS. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. RANDY LAWSON. YEAH. MY NAME IS RANDY AND DIRECTOR ON THE KENYON FREE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD. UH, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS LOCATED IN NORTHWEST AUSTIN AND WE HAVE 1,292 HOMES. UM, MY HOA WAS INITIALLY OPPOSED TO THIS, UH, REZONING CASE, UH, WHICH WAS G R N U ON BOTH TRACKS. HOWEVER, AFTER HAVING A PROTRACTED NEGOTIATION WITH, UH, UH, TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE APPLICANT MR. RICHARD MATTHIAS, UH, WE HAVE NOW AGREED TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO MEN TO AMEND REZONING APPLICATION ON BOTH THE TRACKS, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY ELIMINATE THE M U OVERLAY. SO BASED ON THAT, UH, W MY HOA BOARD, UH, NO LONGER OPPOSES THIS PARTICULAR REZONING, IF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET. SO DOCTOR THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR, FOR COMMISSION AND TIME FOR ME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, SIR. WORRIES. WE'LL HEAR FROM MS. SUPPORTER, MS. PORTER, UH, SELECT STAR SIX. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MICHAEL AND PORTER. I OPPOSE REZONING THIS AREA OF THE ANDERSON MILL NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR HOME HERE 13 YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE BIG DRAWS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THE QUIET. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A NATURE PRESERVE WITH ALL THE WONDERFUL OLD TREES, NATIVE PLANTS AND ANIMALS THAT WE GET TO EXPERIENCE IN OUR OWN BACKYARD. OUR SEVEN YEAR OLD LOVES TO SEE AND IDENTIFY ALL THE WONDERFUL CREATURES AROUND US. WE'VE SEEN POSSUMS, SQUIRRELS, CARDINALS, MOCKINGBIRDS, BLUE JAYS ROBINS, YGRITTE HAWKS NIGHT, HERONS BATS, AND EVEN WOODPECKERS AND ANIMALS WITHOUT THE GREENSPACE BEHIND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. MANY OF THESE WONDERFUL CREATURES WOULD BE DRIVEN OFF BATS AND OWLS, ESPECIALLY NEED DARK QUIET AREAS FOR THEIR HOMES. VANCE CAN EAT SIX TO 8,000 INSECTS, SUCH AS MOSQUITOES EVERY SINGLE NIGHT AND EAT RATS, MICE, AND OTHER PESTS. KEEPING THEM OUT OF OUR HOMES AND YARDS LOSS OF ANIMALS. WON'T BE THE ONLY PROBLEM. IF CONSTRUCTION STARTS, THOSE DISPLACED ANIMALS WILL MOVE INTO ANDERSON MILL YARDS AND HOMES TO ESCAPE. ONCE THEIR HOMES ARE DEMOLISHED. SO WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO SNAKES, SCORPIONS, SKUNKS, MICE, RATS, AND ROACHES FLOODING OUR HOMES. WE COULD ALSO EXPERIENCE ACTUAL FLOODING, MORE BUILDINGS, CONCRETE, AND PARKING LOTS MEAN LESS LAND AND LESS TREES TO ABSORB EXCESS RAINWATER. SOME PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH FLOODING, AND THIS WOULD EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM. LESS NATURAL RAIN ABSORPTION ALSO MEANS LESS DRINKING WATER IN THE EDWARDS AQUIFER, AND MORE STRAIN ON THE STORM DRAINS AND SEWER SYSTEM. MANY OF US HERE HAVE LIVED THROUGH ENOUGH DROUGHTS AND BOIL WATER NOTICES TO KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE RAIN ABSORPTION IS. MORE CONCRETE ALSO MEANS MORE STANDING WATER, WHICH BREEDS EVEN MORE MOSQUITOES. AND SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION WILL DRIVE AWAY THEIR PREDATORS, THE BATS, WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO A MASSIVE INCREASE IN MOSQUITO NUMBERS, CROWDING BUSINESSES. THERE MEANS THAT RESIDENTS WILL BE EXPOSED TO EXHAUST FUMES, CAR NOISE, DUMPSTER STINK. PLUS THE RACCOONS AND RATS THAT THRIVE IN DUMPSTERS. PLUS ROACHES, WE WILL LOSE PRIVACY. ANYBODY WHO WALKS BY CAN LOOK INTO OUR YARDS AND HOMES, WE WILL LOSE SAFETY DUE TO RECKLESS DRIVERS. THE CONCRETE SENSES ON ANDERSON MILL ROAD ARE CONSTANTLY BEING JUST BASICALLY EXPLODED WHEN CARS RUN INTO THEM ABOUT EVERY SIX MONTHS DUE TO NEGLIGENT DRIVERS. SO IF I CONCRETE FENCE, CAN'T KEEP CARS OUT. I DON'T SEE HOW OUR WOODEN FENCES WOULD DO ANY BETTER TREES AND GREEN SPACES REDUCE SURROUNDING AREA TEMPERATURES BY ABOUT THREE DEGREES, BUT ALL THAT NEW CONCRETE WILL RETAIN HEAT IN THE SUMMER. MAKING THOSE OF US NEARBY HAVE TO PAY MORE TO COOL OUR HOMES. THE NEW BUSINESSES THEMSELVES WILL GENERATE MORE HEAT AND USE EXTRA ELECTRICITY. AS WE SAW THIS WINTER, THE POWER GRID IS STRESSED ENOUGH. WE DO NOT NEED TO ADD STRAIN TO PER ANALYSIS ELECTRIC. BASICALLY THOSE OF US IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH LONG-TERM PROBLEMS AND EXPENSES JUST AS SOMEONE CAN SQUEEZE BUSINESSES INTO A WEIRD LITTLE PLOT OF LAND THAT HAS NO ROOM FOR THEM. THE GREENSPACE HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL LITTLE COCOON, KEEPING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD INSULATED FROM ALL THE NOISE AND POLLUTION OF SIX 20, WHICH IS ABOUT TO GET WORSE WHEN IT EXPANDS COMING UP, REDUCING THE BARRIER TO ONLY 50 FEET IS LAUGHABLE. AND WON'T BE ENOUGH FOR THE ANIMALS THAT LIVE THERE. HOMEOWNERS WILL BEAR THE BRUNT OF THE ADDITIONAL FLOODING. THANK YOU, MS. PORTER. WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MR. MATTHIAS FOR A REBUTTAL THREE MINUTES. THANK [03:50:01] YOU, RICHARD. I RICHARD, MR. MATTHIAS, I BELIEVE I'M DELIGHTED. I THINK I'VE GOT, YES. I THINK I'M UNMUTING NOW. I KEEP HITTING STAR SIX. THANK YOU, RICHARD MATTHIAS FOR THE APPLICANT. JUST A LITTLE HISTORY HERE. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. HOWEVER, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF TWO SUBDIVIDED, LOTS OUT OF AN EIGHT LOT COMMERCIAL RETAIL SUBDIVISION THAT WAS PLANNED AND PLOTTED IN 1999. THIS IS THE REMAINING TWO UNDEVELOPED PARCELS OF WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED AS A RETAIL CENTER. THE CITY STRIP ANNEXED ALONG 6, 20, 19 84, WHICH INCLUDED MOST OF THE PROPERTY IN 1996, THE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION WAS ZONE G R L R AND L O INCLUDING MOST OF LOT SIX, WHICH IS ONE OF THE SITES BEING REZONED. THE REMAINDER PROPERTY, THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WERE ANNEXED IN 2008. WHEN THE ZONING APPLICATION WAS FILED IN 96 FOR THE PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS IN THE CITY LIMITS AT THAT TIME, THE DEVELOPER AND THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS ENTERED INTO A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. THAT LIMITED LAND USES ESTABLISHED A 50 FOOT LANDSCAPE AND FENCED BUFFER ALONG THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE WITH THE SINGLE HOMES, LIMITED BUILDING HEIGHTS, PROHIBITED CERTAIN LAND USES AND LIMITED. THE FAR THIS COVENANT IS STILL IN PLACE AND WILL BE HONORED. THIS COVENANT INCLUDED ALL EIGHT LOTS, EVEN THOUGH PORTIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION FOR WHICH IT WAS TIED TO WERE NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS AT THE TIME AS RANDY INDICATED, WE SPENT TWO OR THREE MONTHS WITH THE ANDERSON MILL NEIGHBORHOOD AND CANYON CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, AND WE'VE EARNED THEIR SUPPORT. UM, THIS APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUBDIVISION PLANT, THE RESTRICTED COVENANT THAT WAS AGREED TO BY THE APPLICANT AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, THE ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED IN 1996 AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE MINOR MODIFICATIONS. I MENTIONED BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THE HIGHEST CHAIR THAT HAS ALL THE SPEAKERS I GOT TO INTERRUPT REAL QUICKLY. YOU'VE GOT TWO MINUTES TO TAKE A VOTE. WE HAVE, I'M GOING TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO EXTEND THE MEETING TO 10, 15, 20, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE EXTENSION. OKAY. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. . YEP. YEP. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE, WE NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, AS WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE VOTED ON THAT TOO, ALTHOUGH AS THEIR MOTION, YES. THOMPSON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECONDED BY RAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WE HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, GO AHEAD. ARE YOU UNMUTING? OH, ME, I MOVE THAT. WE ACCEPT THE AGREEMENT THAT THE NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO NAMELY THE G R C O WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDED RESTRICTIONS, EXCEPT FOR OUR WASH AUTOMOTIVE WASHING. YEAH. AUTOMOTIVE WASHING. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORS FOR WORKING THIS OUT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO. AND I SEE DAN HAS HER HAND UP AND KING HAS THEIR HAND UP AND KIELBASA I SECOND. OH, CABASA SECOND. THANK YOU. YEAH, SHE SECONDED. UM, WITHDRAWN MY HAND AND KING, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING OR ACTUALLY I, AFTER WE TOOK IT, I NEED TO JUST GO BACK ON THE LAST TWO MOTIONS. MAKE SURE I GOT EVERYTHING, BUT WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THIS FIRST. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION ON THE TABLE. HEY, THAT LOOKS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, GREENBERG FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. SO SUCCINCTLY, UM, I WILL MOSEY ON DOWN TO THE REST OF THE AGENDA CHAIR. MATT, MAY I JUST QUICKLY JUST VERIFY THAT LAST MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER GREENBERG AND SECONDED BY MISSIONARY KIELBASA? I SHARE KIELBASA. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAD THE CLOSE, THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RAY, BUT I DIDN'T GET THE MOTION. THE MOTION MAKER. I THINK IT WAS SMITH. NO, IT WAS THOMPSON THOMPSON. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, TO EXTEND THE MEETING TIME AT SMITH [03:55:01] WAS THE MOTION AND THE WHO DID THE SECOND. OKAY. IT WAS GRAY. I DON'T REMEMBER. I THINK IT WAS ME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SORRY. IT WENT SO FAST. I JUST COULDN'T WRITE IT FAST ENOUGH. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. SO NEXT WE [C.1. Discussion and possible action regarding matters related to any proposed revisions to the Land Development Code including but not limited to staff updates, presentations and scheduling. (Sponsors: Chair Barrera-Ramirez and Vice-Chair Kiolbassa)] HAVE C ITEMS FOR THE COMMISSION. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ITEMS? I DO WANT TO SAY, I MENTIONED THIS BRIEFLY THAT, UH, AN ANDREW CAN ELABORATE IF HE'D LIKE, BUT THAT WE WILL BE, UH, I THINK THE GOVERNOR'S EMERGENCY ORDER HAS ENDED. AND SO, AND AN AUGUST 30TH. AND SO SEPTEMBER WILL BE OUR FIRST MEETING IN PERSON. WE CAN DISCUSS SOME TYPE OF HYBRID OPTION OR SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW. AND I KNOW THAT I HAVE UNVACCINATED PEOPLE IN MY HOME BECAUSE THEY'RE UNABLE TO BE VACCINATED. AND SO I'M VERY NERVOUS, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE TO BE THERE TO RUN THE MEETING. UM, PULL ME BACK TONIGHT. AND I DON'T MIND GOING IN I'LL CAN BE ONE OF THE ONES THAT GOES IN I'M FULLY VACCINATED. MY WIFE HAS PULLED ME BACK FROM THAT. AND SO I CAN BE A PERSON THAT GOES IN. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. YOU NEED SIX IN PERSON TO DO. OKAY. I CAN GO IN. AND IF WE HAVE THE OPTION FOR HYBRID, I THINK WE MIGHT AS WELL KEEP THAT OPTION. SO WE'RE NOT POSTED FOR THIS ITEM. IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT, UM, I CAN DISSEMINATE THAT EMAIL WITH THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE A MAYBE DISCUSSION OVER EMAIL. WE SAY THAT THERE'S PEOPLE WILLING TO GO IN. OKAY. OKAY. [D. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] NEXT IS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH YOU NEED TO PUT THE HYBRID MEETING OPTION ON THE AGENDA. SO I WOULD LIKE TO BE THE SPONSOR. AND THEN DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPONSOR THAT WITH ME? COMMISSIONER KINGS LOOKS LIKE HE WOULD SPONSOR IT WITH ME OR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. I BRED MEETINGS. DID ANY COMMITTEE MEET? I KNOW THAT CODES AND ORDINANCES DID NOT. I'M SORRY. CHAIR, CAN WE JUST COME BACK? I'M HOPING WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT BECAUSE IT, UP AGAIN, THE SORT OF CLAIM ALL IMPACTS ARE MITIGATED, WHICH YES. RIGHT. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS THINGS LIKE 25 DASH 2 69 DASH 85 OR WHATEVER IT IS, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS ARE ONLY LOOKED AT WHEN THE SITE IS 10 ACRES OR LESS. AND MAYBE THAT'S CRAZY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME, YEAH, THERE IS A LOOP. YEAH. I WANT IT, I WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT AND HOW WE CAN FACILITATE, LIKE, I'VE TALKED INDIVIDUALLY WITH A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS. UM, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL. AND ALSO JUST LIKE, KIND OF STEPPING BACK AND LIKE GETTING INFORMATION, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS TALKING WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND, UM, THEY USED TO MEET WITH STAFF INFORMALLY AT VARIOUS POINTS. AND I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT AND WHAT TOMA IMPLICATION, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO, IF WE WANTED TO MEET WITH STAFF, WE WOULD HAVE TO POST SOMETHING. RIGHT. THEN IT WOULD BE IT'S LIKE WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE JUST AS LIKE A DISCUSSION FOR NEXT WEEK. YES. DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DISCUSSION FOR NEXT WEEK DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DISCUSSION. BUT YES, HOW WE CAN, UM, ENGAGE MORE WITH STAFF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE AGENDA. IS THAT CLEAR AS MUD? DEFINITELY CLEAR AS MUD. OKAY. UM, ANDREW GAVE ME DATES FOR WHEN, OH, OCTOBER 5TH, WE'RE HAVING DR. VALENCIA FROM HOUSING AND PLANNING, THE CITY DEMOGRAPHER COME TO SPEAK WITH US. AND THAT, UH, WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT BRIEFING IS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. UM, YES. I MEAN, I JUST CLARIFY ON THAT. WHAT DO WE HAVE A SECOND FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? UH, I KNOW WE HAD THAT FIRST IN THE HYBRID MEETINGS, BUT WAS THERE A SECOND AT A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? THE SECOND FEATURE AGENDA ITEM IS TO DISCUSS A WAY TO ENGAGE STAFF IN A MORE CASUAL MANNER THAT STILL MEETS TOMA REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. SO I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SMITH TALKED ABOUT A LUNCH OR THAT THEY DID WITH ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION OR PEOPLE OUTSIDE AND THE PARK. I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING WOULD BE NICE. MAYBE WE'RE GOING CAVING. I'LL GO. CAN I BE A SPONSOR FOR THAT? NO. NO. WHO WOULD THE SPONSORS ON THAT ITEM? OH, UM, I THINK IT WAS MYSELF AND MR. AND COMMISSIONER BRAY. AND CAN I JUST INTERJECT [04:00:01] THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE CITY LEGAL IN, UM, HELP WITH THE PRESENTATION OR BE THERE TO ADVISE US AND IN-PERSON NOT ON THE PHONE. YES. OKAY. OKAY. FOR THAT, FOR THAT, FOR THAT AGENDA ITEM, THEN WE WOULD LIKE SIT CITY LEGAL TO BE OKAY. YES. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. OKAY. [E. COMMITTEE REPORTS & WORKING GROUPS] SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM E, WHICH IS COMMITTEE REPORTS AND WORKING GROUPS AND THE CODES AND ORDINANCES DURING COMMITTEE DID NOT MEET. DID ANYONE ELSE MEET SINCE OUR LAST MEETING? GREAT COMMISSIONER KING. TELL US ABOUT IT. OH, YOU'RE ON MUTE. NO, MY MOM WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE A MUTE BUTTON FOR ME. WELL, OKAY. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT AS PROBABLY SOME OTHER PEOPLE TOO, BUT NO, BUT WE DID MEET YESTERDAY. THE SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE DID MEET YESTERDAY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TOOK ACTION ON A, UH, A CASE, THE DEVELOPING THREE L THREE TRACKS OF THE THREAT ON PRESSLER STREET THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OFF OF, UH, UH, FIRST STREET, CESAR CHAVEZ AND MOPAC THAT, THAT INTERSECTION THERE, SO WAS, UH, RECOMMENDED TO, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND INTO COUNCIL. AND, AND REALLY, THAT'S AN INTERESTING AREA THERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ROADWAYS ARE BEING BUILT OUT. IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN CESAR CHAVEZ THERE AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS VERY KIND OF DIFFICULT SIDE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO REALLY DO SOME GOOD WORK IN PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND, UH, AND ALSO, UH, PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS AND PROVIDE SOME MORE HOUSING THERE THAT WE NEED. SO IT'S REALLY, SINCE I WAS LIKE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT. SO IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY, UH, IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE, BY THE SMALL AREA COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. WILL THEY BE PROVIDING A CROSSING OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS? YES. THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GOING TO, AND I'M NOT SURE THEY GOT ALL THE DETAILS WORKED OUT, AS I UNDERSTAND, THEY MAY, YOU HAVE TO GO UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACKS. SO I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IF ALL THOSE DETAILS HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO FACILITATE SAFE ACCESS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, W TWO. SO FOLKS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS CAN GET TO THIS AREA AND THEN BE CONNECTED TO THE PARKLAND. THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAIL CONNECTIVITY, UH, CONNECTIVITY TO THE TRAILS THERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM TO TRY TO, UH, CONNECT THOSE TWO AREAS TOGETHER AND TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT RAILROAD TRACK BARRIER THERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO AREAS. SO ANYWAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY OTHER REPORTS? I BELIEVE WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 10:08 PM. THANKS EVERYONE FOR A LIVELY, ANOTHER LIVELY DISCUSSION. THANK YOU ALL ON THE SEVENTH BABY SHARA AND GO HOME. DON'T EVER LET GO DELIVER FIVE OUT THE CAMP TO THE BLACK BELOW, WAITING TO DO WHAT YOU DO WITH THE BAG I WANT TO DO IS TAKE CARE OF YOU. NOTHING SWEETER THAN MONEY . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.