* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:26] REMINDER, ALL CALL IN USERS. PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. I'M WAITING ONE MORE MINUTE HERE. [CALL TO ORDER] OKAY. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 23RD, 2021 MEETING OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION. UM, LET ME BRING THIS CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND, UH, TAKE ROLL COMMISSIONER HIND SET. ANISSA CASTILLO, NOT HERE YET. UH, WIT FEATHERSTON. THERE YOU ARE. PLEASE, PLEASE INDICATE BY VOICE THAT YOU'RE, UH, THAT YOU'RE ON HERE. SO IT'LL BE ON THE RECORDING AT LEAST. KEVIN. THANK YOU, KEVIN. K FOR ALL OF ROCHE. NOT YET. UH, KELLY LITTLE. THERE SHE IS. TREY MCWHORTER HERE. THANK YOU, BLAKE. TO WHAT WILL NOT BE HERE, BETHEL AND SUELA HERE AND CAROLINE RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION? YES, WE HAVE TWO. UM, THE FIRST IS REBECCA W OH, NEVERMIND. NO, THERE IS NO CITIZEN COMMUNICATION. MY APOLOGIES. OKAY. UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WAITING TO SPEAK, WE WILL GO THROUGH THE AGENDA, UM, AND IDENTIFY ITEMS THAT ARE UP FOR DISCUSSION. THOSE THAT ARE ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. IF THERE'S SOMETHING RED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO POLLED EITHER FROM THE COMMISSION OR, UM, SOMEONE ON THE LINE, PLEASE SAY SO, AND WE'LL PULL UP FOR DISCUSSION. [Consent Agenda: 1A, B1, B4, B5, B6, B8, C6, C7, C8, C9, D3, D4] WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT POSTPONEMENT AGENDA AND SEVERAL DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENTS. THE FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. THAT'S UP FOR CONSENT. SECOND PRESENTATION IS DISCUSSIONS AND POSSIBLE ACTION. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION REGARDING TO, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER APPLICATIONS. THAT'S A ONE ANDERSON STADIUM AND A TWO HOUSTON TILLOTSON COLLEGE, AND THAT'LL BE DISCUSSION. UM, ITEM A ONE, THE REVEREND JOHN AND MADDIE BARKLEY HOUSE. THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM ITEM EIGHT TWO, UM, THE CHRYSLER AIR TEMP HOUSE AND THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM ITEM EIGHTH, 3 10, 6 21 BY IN YOUR FARMS DRIVE. UM, EIGHT FOUR IS ALONG WITH THIS. THESE ARE ON THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT AGENDA. THAT MEANS THE APPLICANTS HAVE CONSENTED TO POSTPONE THIS, AND WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THOSE ON UNTIL THE MOVE IS COMPLETED. AND, UM, AND THE PROPERTY, THE, UM, DECILE LUTHERAN CHURCHES UP, UH, FOR RECONSIDERATION AS A LANDMARK UNDER B DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. WE HAVE ITEM B ONE AT 1805 EAST THIRD STREET, THE HERRERA HOUSE THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. THEY MET WITH THE R UM, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND SHOWED THE PLANS. THE COMMITTEE FELT VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THEM. AND SO IT'S OFFERED FOR CONSENT UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO PULL IT FOR [00:05:01] DISCUSSION ITEM B TO 200 LEE BARTON DRIVE IS ON THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT. THAT'S THE PEGGY HOUSE ITEM B3 53 12 SHELL PREET BOULEVARD THAT IS OFFERED. THAT'S THE CONE HOUSE IT'S OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM BEFORE 8 0 9 EAST NINTH STREET. THE ROOTING ALVAREZ LOPEZ HOUSE IS OFFER RATE UP, OFFERED FOR CONSENT TO TEMPORARILY RELOCATE THE HOUSE TO PROTECT IT FROM A CASING CONSTRUCTION. I WISH I COULD DO THAT WITH MY HOUSE. ITEM B FIVE. THAT ELIZABETH NAME IS DAN. THAT'S ALSO OFFERED FOR CONSENT SHARE WITH MYERS ON THAT ONE. I'M YOUR OKAY COMMISSIONER HAIM. SETH IS ABSTAINING ON ITEM FIVE, 300 FORTIES 44TH, ELIZABETH NAMED MUSEUM ITEM B 6 44 0 9 AVENUE C IS A PROPOSAL TO REPLACE WINDOWS. THAT'S OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM B SEVEN WILL NOT BE HEARD BY US TONIGHT. IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF. THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN. ITEM B 8 39 0 9 AVENUE G IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. UM, THAT IS THE FLANAGAN HYDROGEN HOUSE. THEY WERE ASKING TO REPLACE THEIR, UM, THEIR ROOF WITH A METAL ROOF AND INSTALLED SOLAR PANELS. THEY MET WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, THEY WERE WELL THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE, UH, TO CHANGE THE, UM, TO CHANGE THE ROOFING MATERIAL. AND THEY WERE GIVEN PERMISSION TO ADD SOLAR PANELS TO THE GARAGE AND TO THE NOT UNVISIBLE NONVISIBLE SIDE OF THE ROOF UNDER C DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS IN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS ITEM, SEEING ONE WAS OFFERED FOR CONSENT, BUT IT WILL BE A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ITEM C 2 25 21. JARED AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT APPROVAL ITEM C3 ASSIGN AT 10 0 9. WESTLAND STREET IS A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ITEM C FOR 1104 20TH STREET. AND THE CLARKSVILLE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. MADAM CHAIR, UH, A COUPLE OF UPDATES ON THOSE ITEMS, 1009 WESTLAND. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THAT WE DISCUSS THE CASE TONIGHT AND STAFF IS AMENABLE TO THAT. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT A DISCUSSION ITEM. OKAY. THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. THAT IS ITEM C3, UH, THE REQUEST FOR SIGN, UM, FOR 10 0 9 WESTLAND AND THERE WAS ANOTHER, UH, CORRECTION. YES. ITEM C4. UH, LIKEWISE, WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM MARY REED TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM SO WE COULD TAKE THAT UP AS A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. UM, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. I S I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T READ MY OWN NOTES. SO THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION POSTPONE MAP. OKAY. I DON'T SEE, I'LL BE ABSTAINING FROM THE 1009 WESTLAND. OKAY. PLEASE TAKE NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON WILL BE RECUSING HIMSELF ON THAT AGENDA ITEM C3, AND WE HAVE ANISSA KOSTIA COMMISSIONER CASTILLO IS PRESENT NOW ITEM C 5 11 0 4. CHARLOTTE STREET IS A CONSENT POSTPONE BACK TO THE SEPTEMBER 27TH MEETING. THAT'S IN THE CLARKSVILLE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT ITEM C 6 15 0 4. HARTFORD ROAD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT APPROVAL ITEM C 7 17 10. MOLLY DRIVE IS ALSO OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM C 8 15, 10 ASHWOOD ROAD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM C 9 82 SAN MARCUS STREET IN THE WOOL SPENCE DISTRICT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT APPROVAL. MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A, UH, A REQUEST ON THAT ONE. WE RECEIVED NOTICE TODAY FROM A NEIGHBOR OF THIS PROPERTY THAT SHE DID NOT RECEIVE A NOTIFICATION IN THE MAIL. I HAVE VERIFIED BY LOOKING IN OUR SYSTEM THAT IN FACT, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A VERY, VERY CLOSE PROPERTY, 2 82 SAN MARCUS, [00:10:01] THAT HER ADDRESS WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT WERE MAILED. SO THERE IS A REQUEST FROM HER AND OTHER NEIGHBORS TO POSTPONE THIS, TO ALLOW STAFF TO DO THE PROPER NOTIFICATION FOR THIS CASE. OKAY. UM, DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT ON THAT POSTPONEMENT AGENDA? YES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. JUST TO KIND OF SET POSTPONEMENT OR IT WOULD NEED TO BE A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. I'M SORRY. YES, IT WOULD BE ONE. WELL, UH, MADAM CHAIR, QUICK QUESTION TO STAFF. UH, IF IT, IF THERE WAS, IF IT'S THEN, UM, CONFIRMED THAT THERE WAS NOT PROPER NOTIFICATION, THEN WE REALLY CAN'T PROCEED. ISN'T THAT RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION ITEM, BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN LOOKING PROPERLY, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT IT WASN'T PROPERLY NOTIFIED. SO W WE SHOULD TREAT IT AS IF IT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA. IS THAT CORRECT? USUALLY BEEN THE CASE, UNLESS THIS WAS AN EXCEPTION FOR SOME REASON. I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE IS ON THE LINE AND WANTS TO WEIGH IN, UM, SINCE IT'S POSTED ON THE AGENDA. I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION TO POSTPONE. YEAH. THE, THE FLIP SIDE IS, IS THAT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM PAST, UH, NOTIFICATION PROBLEMS IS THAT WE ACTUALLY COULDN'T TAKE, UH, ACTION IF IT WASN'T PROPERLY NOTIFIED. I DON'T RECALL HAVING THIS COME UP BEFORE IN A COMMISSION MEETING, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT MAY BE BACK FROM THE BACK FROM THE OLD, OLD DAYS THAT I'M STILL REMEMBERING THIS POLICY MAY HAVE CHANGED. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN, UH, GET STEVE, CAN WE GO ONTO THE NEXT, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND COME BACK TO THIS TO DETERMINE IF, WHAT AGENDA SHOULD BE CONSIDERED UNDER IF AT ALL ELIZABETH? YES. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL RETURN TO ITEM C NINE UNDER D DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION ITEM E ONE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. POSTPONE THAT TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AT, AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. OKAY. I AM D 2 37 0 3 MEADOWBANK DRIVE WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM ITEM D 3 3400 HILL VIEW ROAD IS OUT FROM, FOR CONSENT ITEM D FOR 800 WEST 12TH STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM D 5 43 15 AVENUE A ON OUR AGENDA IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT, BUT I WISH TO PULL THAT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. ITEM D 6 25 0 1. INWOOD PLACE IS A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. WE HAVE NEW ITEMS OR DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON CASES OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT AND NO ITEMS UNDER F DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE APPLICATE. UH, ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR TAX ABATEMENT. WE DO HAVE SOME COMMISSIONING STAFF ITEMS AT THE END OF THE AGENDA, AND WE'LL HAVE A MESSAGE FROM THE STAFF ON, UH, LEGISLATION THAT WILL AFFECT HISTORIC ZONING. I WANT TO TELL ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE LINE. NOW, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ON OUR, UM, ON THESE ITEMS. IF YOUR ITEM PASSES ON CONSENT, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO STAY ON THE LINE. UH, IT, IT MEANS YOUR APPLICATION WASN'T APPROVED, BUT IF IT'S APPROVED AND STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKET BE PREPARED, YOU HAVE TO TAKE, UM, EIGHT BY 10 PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALL FACADES AND WRITE A NARRATIVE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE FOR ARCHIVING AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER. SO IF YOUR ITEM IS APPROVED, UM, IF THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY STAFF, UM, OFTENTIMES IT'S TO RECONSIDER, UH, DEMOLITION, UH, CONSIDER RELOCATION OF, OR, UM, OR MAKING AN ADDITION, PLEASE LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT. OKAY. SO ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE THE MINUTES B ONE, B3, B FOUR, B FIVE, B SIX E EIGHT, C TWO, [00:15:01] C6 C7, C EIGHT, C NINE D THREE AND D FOUR. IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL HAVE? YES. COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA, C NINE AS A DISCUSSION, MADAM CHAIR, UH, ITEM C NINE IS THE CASE THAT WAS NOT THE, THE NEIGHBOR WAS NOT, NOT, NOT PROPERLY NOTIFIED. UM, SO ARE WE TAKING IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA? IS THAT GOING TO BE DISCUSSION? WE'RE NOT, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE ADDRESS OF, WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT UP RIGHT NOW, UNLESS AS ANY S STEVE, UH, WEIGHED IN ON THIS. NOT YET. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT IT IS NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'M GOING TO MAKE AN EXECUTIVE DECISION NOW AND SAY THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE UP THIS ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. IN ANY CASE, WE ARE GOING TO WAIT FOR IT TO BE PROPERLY NOTIFIED FOR THE RESIDENTS TO BE PROPERLY NOTIFIED AND RETURNED TO OUR AGENDA. YEAH. MA MADAM CHAIR, THAT DON'T REQUIRE US TO TAKE POSTPONE THAT AS AN ACTION, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WE DO WITH THAT? WELL, AT THE VERY LEAST, IF WE DON'T HAVE A BETTER, REALLY, I THINK IT PROBABLY BEHOOVES US AND WE COULD STILL KEEP IT AS A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT AND THEN MAKE THAT CLEARER WHEN WE MAKE OUR DECISION. BUT I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT TAKE THE CASE IF IT'S, UH, UNCERTAIN, UM, WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT AND WAIT. AND IF IT MEANS LEAD, THEY POSTPONEMENT IS THE ACTION THAT WOULD STILL BE APPROPRIATE. IN ANY CASE, IT'S NO LONGER ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA GOING HERE, HERE, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ONE LESS, UH, SORRY. MADAM CHAIR. ONE LAST THING. ELIZABETH IS ON THE LINE WITH, UM, LEGAL TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THIS EITHER. OKAY, WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HEAR A MOTION COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA. SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM TREY MCWHORTER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE SAY, AYE, RAISE YOUR HAND. YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, AYE. OKAY. IT PASSES BY UNANIMOUSLY MEMBERS PRESENT. OKAY. ITEM D FIVE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND [Postponed Items: A3, A4, B2, C1, C2, C3, C4, C5, D1, D6 ] ON THE CONSENT POSTPONE MAC, WE HAVE THE TWO ITEMS, A THREE AND A FOUR REGARDING THE MOVE OF THE DESALLE LOSER LUTHERAN CHURCH TO PIONEER FARMS, BJ THE PEGGY HOUSE, C 5 1104, CHARLOTTE, AND EIGHT, 12 WEST 12TH STREET. THIS IS CONSENT POSTPONEMENT. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT AGENDA? SO MOVED COMMISSIONER COOK MOVED. DO I HEAR A SECOND COMMIT A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER LITTLE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENTS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. IT'S UNANIMOUS. THAT AGENDA PASSES. SO ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE JUST READ WILL BE POSTPONED, UM, A THREE AND A FOUR WILL BE POSTPONED, UM, AS NEEDED. AND THE OTHER ITEMS WILL BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER 27TH MEETING. NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE DISCUSSION. POSTPONEMENT. HAS THERE BEEN ANY RESOLUTION ON C NINE MADAM CHAIR? WE'RE TRYING TO GET STEVE ON THE LINE. HE'S HAVING SOME ISSUES GETTING THROUGH. HE WILL WEIGH IN AND JUST A MOMENT. YES. AND MADAM CHAIR, HE MENTIONED ANOTHER ISSUE WITH SOMETHING THAT PASSED ON CONSENT. SO IF WE CAN JUST GO ON HOLD FOR A MOMENT UNTIL WE CAN GET STEVE ON, I HATE TO KEEP BARRELING FORWARD AT THIS POINT. THIS IS CITY HALL AB STEVE, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN HEAR YOU, BUT I CAN'T. YOU GOT Y'ALL CAN'T HEAR ME. I CAN HEAR YOU. WE HEARD YOU. WE'VE GOT YOUR STEVE. OH, YOU CAN HEAR ME. YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. WONDERFUL. UH, IT IS THE CASE ON JARED. [00:20:01] THE PLANS CAME IN LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND THEY'RE NOT COMPLETE. SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND ON THAT IS THAT WE DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION PRODUCT, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE. UM, UH, AND THE CLAIMS ARE NOT COMPLETE. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND POSTPONEMENT FOR THE PLAN FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION UNTIL NEXT MONTH. OKAY. UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE WOULD HAVE TO, I THINK, YEAH. AND THE CONSENT MOTION FOR THAT PARTICULAR CASE AND AMENDMENT. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU, STEVE. WE WOULD NEED TO SEND THE MOTION. OKAY. DO I HEAR, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO RESEND THE MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? WELL, WOULD YOU DO IS YOU'D MEET, WE'D BE RESENDING ITEMS C TO THE JARED AVENUE, UM, CASE THAT WAS, WAS ADDED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO WE'D BE RESCINDING AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND STEVE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO RESEND THE WHOLE CONSENT AGENDA AND START AGAIN. WE JUST TAKE THAT ONE ITEM, SINGLE IT OUT AND SAY IT WAS CALLED OFF BASICALLY RESCIND THAT, THAT APPROVAL. YES. OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO RESEND A CONSENT OR APPROVAL FOR C2 25, 21 JARRETT SOMEBODY MAKE MOTION. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I'M SAD. A SECOND COMMISSIONER BORDER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RESENDING CONSENT APPROVAL FOR C2, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IT PASSES. SO NOW WE NEED A NEW MOTION, A NEW MOTION ON THAT TO, UH, APPROVE THE DEMOLITION IF THE DOG SO DESIRE ON CONSENT AND POSTPONE REVIEW OF THE BUILDING PLANS UNTIL NEXT MONTH, MAN CHAIR. YES. I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT, UM, STEVE, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST POSTPONE THE WHOLE THING AND, UH, WE CAN ADD THAT TO OUR CONSENT POSTPONEMENT. OKAY. I CAN'T, WE'VE NOW TAKEN, WE'VE NOW REACHED HERE WITH IT, BUT THE COMMISSIONER BALANCE OIL IS, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA. DO WE HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE APPLICANT TO, UH, DO A CONSENT POSTPONEMENT ON THE ENTIRE PACKAGE? OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE THIS AS A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT, POSTPONEMENT? INSTEAD, WE CERTAINLY COULD DISCUSS IT. I THOUGHT IT WOULD, WOULD BE PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT IF THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO COMPLETE PLANS AND THEY DIDN'T THAT WE COULD PICK IT UP LATER. I INITIALLY THINK COMMISSIONER VILLAINS, WAIT A LOT. I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. UM, SINCE THE APPLICANT HAS NOT REQUESTED A POSTPONE BACK, I'M JUST THINKING IF, IF THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND I GUESS THEY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH DEMOLITION UNTIL WE REVIEW THE PLANS. CORRECT. THAT'S OUR USUAL ORDER OF BUSINESS. OKAY. JUST WONDERING WITH THE APPLICANTS, BUT THAT'S OKAY. BECAUSE WERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? YEAH, THIS IS JOSHUA HOGAN. OKAY. WE'RE DISCUSSING WHETHER TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE CONSENT, THOSE PAWN MAT THAT WOULD BE WITH YOUR CONSENT. AND IT WOULD BE HEARD, UH, AT THE SEPTEMBER 27TH MEETING OR TWO DISCUSSION POSTPONE MET, UH, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD DISCUSS POSTPONING THIS AND, UM, TAKE IT UP THEN WHEN IT GETS TO THAT POINT ON THE AGENDA, WE'LL YOU CAN SEND US PHONING THIS CASE. I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DEMOLITION APPROVED, BUT I GUESS I UNDERSTAND WHY, LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE THE BILL. WE DON'T HAVE THE PLAN FINALIZED BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING PERMIT YET. SOME, A LITTLE CONFUSED WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THE PLANS FINALIZED FOR THE DEMOLITION. YOUR PLANS NEED TO BE REVIEWED BEFORE YOU CAN RECEIVE, UH, [00:25:01] A DEMOLITION PERMIT. OKAY. AND WE SUBMITTED, I GUESS, PLANS AND ELEVATIONS LATE ON FRIDAY. UM, AND THEY WEREN'T, THE AGENDA, UH, WAS ALREADY POSTED. OKAY. YES. COMMISSIONERS. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE IF I, IF I MAY MADAM CHAIR. SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT NECESSARILY SAID HE AGREES TO A POSTPONEMENT SHOULD GO BACK TO OUR REGULAR ORDER, COMPLETE THE, THOSE POSTPONEMENTS, THAT OUR CONSENT, AND THEN TAKE THIS UP IN THE PROPER ORDER WITH DISCUSSION POSTPONE. OKAY. SO IT WILL NOT BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE'RE GONNA, WE DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE TO MOVE IT TO THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT AGENDA? NO, WE DO NOT. MADAM CHAIR. YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT TO THE, TO THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT AGENDA. SO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WE HAVE, DID WE VOTE? WE VOTED ON THAT. THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT DID. WE CAN SET THOSE POMA OKAY. YEAH. THE DISCUSSION I'M CONFUSED. YOU WERE RIGHT. WE WE'RE RIGHT THERE. THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT STARTS, RIGHT? IT DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. WE HAVE C1 WATERSTON C3, UH, 1,009 WEST LINN AND INWOOD. AND NOW C NINE, I'M SORRY. UM, JARED AVENUE, C 2 25, 21 JARRETT. I, I HAD C4 AS WELL. IS THAT CORRECT? C4 20TH. I, UH, I ASKED TO PULL THAT OR IT'S ON OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA. OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. OKAY. UM, MR. UM, OH, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT I'M SHARING THE SIGN ON WETLAND CHANNEL NINE WEST LANE. THAT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM TONIGHT. NOT A POSTPONEMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK WE, I THINK WE SAID THAT, THAT THAT'S ON MINE. I HAVE THAT ON MY NOTES. I THINK WE GOT THAT. OKAY. YEAH. JUST A SECOND WHILE I GATHERED THIS, SO C4 1104 TOYA, I THINK THIS WAS A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. UM, THIS IS, THIS SHOULD BE ON THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT AGENDA. SO THE DISCUSSION POSTPONE THAT IS C1, WATERSTON C4, 1,104 IT'S B TO B 6 25 0 1. ENWOOD. AND I HAD TO SEE TWO AS WELL. IS THAT RIGHT? OH YEAH. JARED. WE JUST HAD THAT ONE. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WAS THE REASON. SAY TO JARED, DO I HEAR A MOTION? NO, NO. WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS EACH ONE OF THESE. WE'LL JUST, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO TAKE IT OFF. WE JUST, IF IT'S NEXT ON THE AGENDA. SO WE JUST TAKE THEM IN ORDER. OKAY. REALLY WELL, BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT HEARING THE CASE. WE'RE ONLY HEARING THE EFFICACY OF THE POSTPONEMENT. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WOULD PREFER IT, NOT TO BE POSTPONED AND SOME WHO THINK IT SHOULDN'T BE POSTPONED AND IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE SURE. WELL, YEAH, WE HAVE TAKEN THE DISCUSSION POSTPONE ITEMS UP AS THEY APPEAR IN THE ORDER ON OUR AGENDA. SO WE'RE ON THE C1. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PEOPLE SPEAK. OH YES. BUT ONLY ADDRESSING WHETHER OR NOT THEY AGREE TO POSTPONE AND IF NOT, WHY? OKAY. IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE ON THE LINE RIGHT NOW? LET ME, LET ME JUST GET THIS STRAIGHT. THERE HAVE BEEN MORE CHANGES IN THIS AGENDA. HOLD ON. YEAH. OKAY. ON OUR AGENDA, WE HAVE C ONE. IS THERE SOMEONE ON THE LINE TO SPEAK TO THAT? UM, NOT TO THE CASE, BUT TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS CAN BE, UH, THIS SHOULD BE POSTPONED. YES. MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE A MS. MARY REED WHO REQUESTED THE POSTPONEMENT. OKAY. MS. REED, ARE YOU ON [00:30:01] THE LINE? VERY REED. OKAY, MARY, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD, UH, UH, POSTPONE THIS. YES. AND I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR WHY IT SHOULD BE POSTPONED. OKAY. I'M ASKING AGAIN THAT YOU POSTPONE RELEASE OF THE DEMO PERMIT TO THE CONTRIBUTING HOUSE LOCATED AT EIGHT GENERAL FIVE WATERSTON IN THE CLARKSVILLE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. AS I'VE EXPLAINED PREVIOUSLY, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE HAVE MET WITH JESSE NOL OF CUSTOM HOMES. UH, WE MET WITH HIM FIRST ON JUNE 3RD, JUNE 3RD. WE KNEW THE ODDS OF CONVINCING HIM NOT TO DEMO THE HOME WHERE JUST MORE SO WE FOCUSED ON SUGGESTING CHANGES TO HIS PLANS THAT WOULD MAKE THE NEW HOME LESS SUBURBAN, MORE CLARKSVILLE. IN FACT, WE ASKED HIM TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE VERY SAME ISSUES THAT KALYN CONTRARES LATER POINTED OUT IN HER STACK REPORT. SINCE OUR FIRST REPORT, FIRST OF MEETINGS, WE HAVE COMMUNICATED REGULARLY WITH JESSE AND ALL OF HIS STAFF. AND THEN WE'RE TOLD REPEATEDLY THAT NEW PLANTS WILL BE FORTHCOMING SOON. HOWEVER, THE PLANS THAT YOU NOW HAVE ARE THE SAME ONES WE SAW ON JUNE 3RD, MORE THAN TWO MONTHS AGO, NOTHING HAS CHANGED EVEN. SO THE MEMBERS OF THE CCDC BOARD OF DIRECTORS ARE OPTIMIST, MAYBE NAIVELY. AND SO WE WANT TO BELIEVE THAT MR. NOL TRULY INTENDS TO DO WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO, AND JUST NEEDS MORE TIME POSTPONING A DECISION ON THE REQUEST FOR A DEMO PERMIT FOR 1805 WATERSTON WOULD GIVE HIM AND HIS STAFF YET ANOTHER CHANCE TO JOHN TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT RESPECTS CLARKSVILLE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. IS THERE ANY ONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO MEDICAL AFFAIRS ITEM. THE APPLICANT IS NOT ON THE LINE. NO. OKAY. UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE? IF THIS WAS POSTPONE PRIOR, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. MADAM CHAIR. UM, ARE WE RUNNING UP AGAINST ANY DEADLINES? I, WE DISCUSSED THAT TODAY. WE'RE NOT RUNNING UP AGAINST A DEADLINE RIGHT NOW, AND WE DID HAVE SIX. WE HAVE 180 DAYS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING IN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. SO WE COULD THEORETICALLY POSTPONE IT AGAIN. DO I HEAR A MOTION? I THINK THE, THE CLARKSVILLE, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COURT, UM, REALLY WANTS TO SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT, ABOUT THEIR DESIGN. THEY JUST, UM, THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY WOULD AND WOULD REVISE THE PLANS AND WE JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO COME TO THE TABLE. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE POSTPONING THAT CASE. THE MISSION WAS THAT EMOTION SEPTEMBER MEETING. OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER WRIGHT? ALL IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING IT TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. IT PASSES. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS C3. OH, NO. WE MOVE C3 TO THE DIS DO WE MOVE C3 TO DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT OR DISCUSSION DISCUSSION? OKAY. IT'S NOT ON THIS AGENDA. I THINK WE OKAY. SEE TOO. WHERE DID IT GO? OKAY. SEE TOO. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE LINE FOR SEAT TOO? YES. MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS ALL IN FAVOR. UM, THE FIRST IS GOING TO BE JOSHUA HOGAN, THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THIS IS ALL WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER TO POSTPONE. YES. OKAY. MR. HOGAN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YEAH. SO WHAT'S THE, UM, I GUESS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DEMOLITION APPROVED AND THE BUILDING PLANS REVIEWED ONCE WE SUBMIT FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. CAUSE WE WERE ORIGINALLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE WE UNDERSTOOD IT. OKAY. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER ON THE LINE HERE? WE HAVE MR. GREG MR. BREAST BREAST CAPICHE. OKAY. YES. [00:35:01] UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, UH, I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. UM, WE HAVE, UM, WE LIVE ACTUALLY THAT NEXT DOOR WE'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 18 YEARS. UH, ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION AND OUR PLANS FOR A NEW HOME. UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING A HOME COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STREET. ALL WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, ALL WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS DISCUSSING WHETHER TO POSTPONE IT. THAT, I MEAN, AT THIS MOMENT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. I, I, I WANT TO, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT. I'D LIKE TO NOT POSTPONE IT. WE WERE POSTPONED LAST WEEK. I MEAN, LAST, LAST MEETING. AND I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GET THIS WITH THIS GOING. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER ON THE LINE, MS. KIM AT GRISCAVAGE OKAY. MS. KIM. YES. GREGORY WISE. I WISH NOT TO POSTPONE IT. LIKE GREG SAID, WE WERE POSTPONED LAST MONTH AND WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, GET APPROVED FOR THE DEMOLITION AND WE'LL TURN IN, UM, HEALTH PLANS TO YOU. AND, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'VE LIVED ON THE STREET NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY FOR 19 YEARS. SO, UM, WE WOULD NOT WANT, WE DO NOT WANT TO POSTPONE THE DEMOLITION. THANK YOU. BUT LIKE YOUR EMOTION ON THE CASE. I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL POSSIBILITIES. WE COULD PERHAPS APPROVE THE DEMOLITION. YES. COMMISSIONER HANDSET, COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH, QUICK QUESTION TO STAFF. UM, IN THE BACKUP, IT WAS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED PLANS OR DID THAT W WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN UNDER SEATS BACKUP? THE BACKUP CONTAINS ELEVATIONS THAT WERE RECEIVED FRIDAY AFTERNOON. SO AS SOON AS THE FULL SET IS RECEIVED, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. SO THE INTENT WOULD BE TO HAVE IT GO TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, AS WELL AS THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT PROJECT. SO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEW IS NOT NECESSARY, UH, BUT COMPLETE PLANS ARE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE GOING TO BE. IT JUST DOESN'T COMPLY WITH IT. SO WHY WAS ? UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY IT WAS OFFERED FOR CONSENT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE COMPLETE PLANS AT THAT TIME. UM, OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE POSTPONE TO DISCUSS, TO PO TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION AND POSTPONE THE REVIEW OF THE PLANS UNTIL NEXT TIME? WHAT IS THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE, UM, TO APPROACH THE DEMOLITION AND POSTPONE THE REVIEW OF PLANS? UH, THE, THE MOTION, A STAFF RECOMMENDATION NOTES THAT THE DEMOLITION IS PENDING REVIEW OF THE PLAN. SO TO SEPARATE THOSE AND MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE, UH, STEPS REQUIRED FOR THE, THE DEMOLITION PERMIT. AND IS THIS POSTPONE MET TO THE NEXT MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 27TH? YES. COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA YOU SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION TONIGHT, AND THEN, UH, POSTPONE THE REVIEW OF THE PLANS TILL THE NEXT MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 27TH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IF TINA ANIMUS, NOT AS PART OF A MOTION, BUT JUST AN INSTRUCTION THAT THE CITY WILL NOT RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT UNTIL THE COMMISSION HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE FULL SET OF PLANS. YEAH. I, UM, I STATED SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT EARLIER IN THIS DISCUSSION, BUT YEAH, YOU HAVE APPROVAL. YOU WILL HAVE APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION, BUT WE STILL NEED TO REVIEW THE PLANS. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND ITEM D 6 25 0 1 INWOOD MAN CHAIR. DID WE SKIP C4? C4 HAS BEEN MOVED TO DISCUSSION. IT'S A REQUEST POSTPONEMENT BY A CITIZEN. WE'RE STILL ON OUR DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENTS. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS [00:40:03] YES. MS. . IS IT A STEPHAN POSTS? COMMENTS? OKAY. C4 10 0 9 WEST LINN C4 IS 1104 20TH STREET. HI, SORRY. I HAVE, I HAVEN'T BEEN DRINKING BEFORE 1,104 TOYA'S STREET. UH, THIS WAS, UM, THE, UM, WE HAVE SOMEONE ON THE LINE, MARY REED, I BELIEVE TO ADDRESS THIS. YES, DO THERE. YES. GO AHEAD. YEAH. SO I'M MARRIED, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CARCERAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. AGAIN, WE WOULD LIKE TO DELAY THE RELEASE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR 1104 TOYA. SO THE APPLICANT PARODIES, THE HOMES CAN RETHINK ITS PLANS AND DESIGN A HOME THAT WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH CLARKSVILLE PARODIES. THE HOME SEEMS TO HAVE COMPLETELY IGNORED THE ARCHITECTURE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ASSUME THAT THE KIND OF HOME IT FEELS IN THE MORE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORS WHERE TYPICALLY WORKS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND CLARKSVILLE. YES. I THINK WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST TAKING UP WHETHER OR NOT TO POSTPONE THIS. SO YOU'RE, YOU WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE SO THAT YOU CAN MEET WITH, UH, THE ISA. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE WHY WE WANTED TO POSTPONE, BUT WE WANT TO POSTPONE. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? YES, WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER. MS. OLIVIA ROULEZ AGAIN, MS. RUTH. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS OLIVIA RUI AND I AM THE SUPPORT OF MARY REED. I REQUEST TO POSTPONE. AND SO WE CAN HAVE MORE TIME TO DISCUSS, I WOULD PAIR DCO. I THINK THEY HAVE A HOME THAT IS ABSOLUTELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, PARTICULARLY THIS BLOCK. AND THEY SEEM TO BE OPEN TO MAYBE COMING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WORKING WITH US. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S THE END OF OUR SPEAKERS. UM, COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CASE? WE HAVE NOT SEEN THIS BEFORE. IT HAS NOT BEEN POSTPONED BEFORE. UM, AS I WAS SPEAKING WITH STAFF EARLIER, UH, WE'RE LOSING CALEXICO AND I THINK I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS, UH, TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN, UH, A CHANCE AT MEETING WITH, UM, THE BUILDERS ON A LESS ENORMOUS DESIGN. YES. COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE POSTPONE THIS CASE TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AND ENCOURAGE THAT WITH KENT TO ATTEND THE NEXT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. LITTLE SETTLED, SETTLED THE MOTION. SECOND, THE MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. THAT'S PAWN. OKAY. ALL THOSE OPPOSED ONE COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON IS OPPOSED. UM, OKAY. WE HAVE EIGHT IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED THIS ISN'T A DENIAL OF AN APPLICATION. THIS IS JUST A POSTPONEMENT. WHAT IS OUR, UM, WHAT IS OUR BAR FOR APPROVING THIS MOTION STAFF? WHAT? SHOULDN'T ONLY BE A MAJORITY HERE. OKAY. NOW I'LL CALL IT THIS MOTION PASSED. IT WILL BE POSTPONED TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, BUT WE, UH, AS WE NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MEETING COMMITTEE. OKAY. AND THE SIX C NINE MADAM CHAIR WE HAVE HEARD FROM, UH, BOTH STEVE SEDOWSKY AND THE LAW DEPARTMENT WHO AGREE THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD TAKE ACTION TO POSTPONE THIS CASE, TO ALLOW STAFF TO ENSURE PROPER NOTICE IS PROVIDED TO NEIGHBOR AND DINERS. AND THIS IS, UH, 82 SAN MARCUS. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. AND THE LAW DEPARTMENT SAYS WE SHOULD POSTPONE IT OR TAKE ANY ACTION, NOT TAKE ACTION. THE LAW DEPARTMENT WOULD PREFER THAT WE POSTPONE SINCE IT IS POSTED ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, I'LL MOVE THE POSTPONEMENT UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER AGENDA. OKAY. SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HIND, SETH. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER PHELAN. SUELA DOESN'T SECOND. IT, I [00:45:01] BELIEVE WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IN ANY ONE ELSE FIRST, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, IS THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER IS, UH, MR. JIM WHITLAM. I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S THE APPLICANT. OKAY. MR. WILLIS, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE LINE? I'VE I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN, UH, NOTICE I'VE BEEN NOTICED AS THE APPLICANT, WE HAVE THAT IN WRITING. SO THE ONLY THING THAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS MISTAKES DO HAPPEN. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT NOTIFICATION NEEDS TO BE CORRECT AND COMPLETE. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE, TO THE POSTPONEMENT. I JUST DO WANT TO SAY THIS FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAS THIS PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT, THIS POSTPONEMENT IS COSTING HIM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN, UH, INTEREST COSTS AND, UH, ADDITIONAL TAXES ON A PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, THIS SORT OF THING COMES UP. IT HAPPENS. BUT I, YOU KNOW, I TOLD HIM TO GO AHEAD AND START THE PROCESS OF PUTTING A PACKAGE TOGETHER, ASSUMING THAT YOU WILL GRANT THE, UH, THE DEMOLITION PERMIT. I TOLD HIM TO START PUTTING THE PACKAGE TOGETHER NOW SAVE AS MUCH TIME AS HE CAN, BUT, UH, YEAH, WE'LL AGREE IF IT COULD BE, UH, IF IT COULD BE ON THE SEPTEMBER AGENDA, I GUESS WE'LL APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO POSTPONE IT OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER HANDSETS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION? OKAY. WELL, THE SAME MOTION IS THAT WE WOULD, UH, POSTPONE UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER AGENDA AND, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO, UH, REMEDY THE NOTIFICATION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. UH, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER DIFFICULTIES WITH THIS CASE. OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING, IT IS RAISE YOUR HAND. IT'S APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR. LET ME JUST SAY, UH, TO ADDRESS MR. WITLESS CONCERN, UH, UH, AS, AS MUCH AS, AS I WISH WE COULD DO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REMEDY THESE WITH THE SNAP OF A FINGERS, I GUESS WE'RE REALLY AN APOLOGY TO YOU ALL. UM, NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN. NOPE, NOTHING, UH, THAT WOULD IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER PREJUDICE, THE CASE, UH, IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE IN THIS SITUATION, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO TRY TO RUSH YOU THROUGH AND THEN FIND OUT THAT THE ACTION WE TOOK WAS IN FACT INVALID. SO, UM, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR JOB PROPERLY FOR YOU. I CONCUR. I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT COULD, UM, THAT MIGHT BE, UH, REALLY COME BACK TO BITE US. UM, NOT JUST US, BUT THE APPLICANT. I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND MAKE PROPER NOTIFICATION, SO, OKAY. HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT LIKE, I'LL DO THE AGENDA. WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR, UH, DISCUSSION ITEMS THE FIRST UP. UM, DO WE HAVE THE PRESENTATIONS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER? YES. COMMISSIONER, SORRY. I, I STILL HAVE THE SIX AS A DISCUSSION POST MOMENT TO THAT CHANGE. NO, IT'S OKAY. I SCRATCHED OUT SO MANY THINGS ON, ON MY PAGE THAT I CAN'T READ IT ANYMORE. D 6 25 0 1 INWOOD STAFF, UH, REQUEST, UM, THAT WE DISCUSS A POSTPONEMENT SO THAT THEY CAN FULLY EVALUATE, UM, THIS PROPERTY. IS THERE ANY ONE TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE ON THE LINE? WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS. THE FIRST IS MR. VINCENT HUBINGER. OKAY. IS HE THE APPLICANT? UH, NO, THAT WOULD BE LAURA BERKHART. OKAY. UM, MR. UH, TUBING, YOU'RE GO AHEAD AND, AND STATE YOUR CASE. WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING WHETHER TO POSTPONE THIS CASE. WE'RE HERE AT TONIGHT, BUT WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO POSTPONE. OKAY. UM, AND THE OTHER SPEAKER, MR. DANE WILKINS, WHO IS THE APPLICANT. OKAY. MR. WILKINS, ACTUALLY, MR. HEATING IS OUT. SO THAT IS A, THAT IS ME, DAN, LOOK INTO VOICING THAT, AND I BELIEVE LAURA BERKHART IS ON HERE. IF SO, UM, AND SHE SIGNED UP, DID SHE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. SHE MIGHT JUST BE AUDIO. WE CAN'T TAKE A SPEAKER WHO HASN'T SIGNED UP BY NOON YESTERDAY. STAFF. CAN YOU RECHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT SHE [00:50:01] ISN'T SIGNED UP? SHE IS NOT REGISTERED MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THEN. UM, SHE'S UNABLE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT TONIGHT. UH, COMMISSION. OKAY. CAN I HEAR FROM STAFF, UM, ANY DETAILS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE TIME TO CONSIDER? OKAY. YEAH, A LOT OF CHAIRS. THIS IS, UH, A VERY INTERESTING HOUSE. UM, AND RESEARCH ON THIS HOUSE, UH, SHOWED THAT IT WAS, UM, IT WAS BUILT BY A COMPANY CALLED CLAN CON, UH, THAT WAS, UH, VERY INFLUENTIAL IN MODULAR HOUSES. UM, SEVERAL HOUSES IN THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE ALSO HAD, UH, COMPONENTS MANUFACTURED BY PLAN CON. AND I THINK THIS HOUSE HAS ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. IT ALSO HAS A HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS HOUSE. OKAY. DO YOU THINK YOU CAN BE THAT, UH, IN TIME FOR THE SEPTEMBER 27TH AGENDA? DEFINITELY. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, UH, STAFF HAS REQUESTED, UM, A POSTPONEMENT SO THAT THEY CAN FULLY EVALUATE THIS PROPERTY, UM, ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION AND, UH, GET SOME ADDITIONAL HISTORICAL INFORMATION. UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CASE? WE'LL MOVE TO POSTPONE DOORS, SEPTEMBER 27TH MEETING AND STAFF REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND FROM A COMMISSIONER? RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IT'S UNANIMOUS. IT'S POSTPONED TO THE SEPTEMBER 27TH AGENDA. MADAM CHAIR, BEFORE WE MOVED TO THE, UH, THE BRIEFINGS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF SOCRATES, THERE IS ONE MORE THING. I, I REALLY APOLOGIZE FOR THIS ONE. UM, ON ITEM B EIGHT, I JUST RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE APPLICANT. UM, I HAD BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH HER SINCE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AND HAD MISUNDERSTOOD THAT SHE WAS, UH, WILLING TO SELECT COMPOSITION SHINGLES. SHE WOULD PREFER THAT THE FULL COMMISSION, UH, CONSIDER WHETHER A, UH, METAL ROOF IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LANDMARK. UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO RESEND THE CONSENT APPROVAL OF ITEM B A 39 0 9 AVENUE G AND MAKE THAT A DISCUSSION CASE MISSIONERS? DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE? THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK, UM, AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK AND THE, UM, THERE WAS JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING, UH, ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION. I MOVED TO RETURN THE CONSENT APPROVAL FOR AN MBA 39 0 9 AVENUE G AND MOVE IT TO A DISCUSSION FOR THIS TONIGHT'S MEETING. CAN I GET A SECOND COMMISSIONER, UM, FEATHERSTON SECONDS, THE MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING IT TO THE DISCUSSION AGENDA, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IF IT'S UNANIMOUS, THAT PASSES THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE EVERYTHING CORRECT ON THE DISCUSSION ITEM. WE HAVE ITEM 81 ON BOWMAN AVENUE, ITEM EIGHT TO, UH, THE CHRYSLER BUILDING AND THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE. UM, 37 0 4 METRO BANK, THE 5 43 15 AVENUE A AND WE'VE MOVED, UH, 10 0 9 WEST LYNN TO DISCUSSION AND 39, UH, B 8 39 0 9 AVENUE G. LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THAT I GET, I'M GONNA PUT THAT IN A ORDER. AND CAN WE GO AHEAD WITH OUR PRESENTATIONS? UH, ALSO MADAM CHAIR, C3 10 OR NINE WESTERLAND DISCUSSION ITEM. I THOUGHT I SAID THAT 10 OR NINE WAS LED. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. I MIGHT HAVE NOT SAID IT. I MIGHT'VE SAID IT TONIGHT. I'M NOT SURE [00:55:02] LET'S GO ON WITH THEIR PRESENTATIONS AND LET ME CATCH MY BREATH. ALL RIGHT. ARE WE PREPARED FOR SPEAKERS? OKAY. YES, WE HAVE A FAIR, UM, AS PART OF OUR CLG REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEWS, UH, NOMINATIONS TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. SO WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUAL NOMINATIONS TONIGHT UP FOR REVIEW AND POSSIBLE DISCUSSION, UH, BUT ALSO A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MAKE TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. SO, UH, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'LL LET THOSE GO. UM, WE ALSO, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY WELL AWARE WE HAD, THERE WAS A NOMINATION FOR THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH THAT'S BEFORE THE STATE BOARD REVIEW, IT'S BEEN SETTING POLICY NOT TO TAKE A POSITION ON HISTORIC DISTRICT NOMINATIONS, HOLDING ON A SINGLE PROPERTY ON INNOVATION. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE NOT EVERY PROPERTY OWNER HIT A HISTORIC DISTRICT ASSIGNED ONTO THE CREATION OF THE DISTRICT. AND ONCE THE DISTRICT HAS CREATED POSSIBILITIES, ADDITIONAL THING, OR REVIEW OF PROJECTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT, UH, DELAYS BECAUSE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEWED THOSE PROJECTS AND THAT IT WOULD BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR THE CITY TO NOT ENDORSE THAT WE WERE WRITTEN MINISTER THOSE ONCE THE, THOSE PROJECTS, ONCE THE DISTRICT IS CREATED, BUT WE HAVE NOT TAKEN A POSITION ON WHETHER A DISTRICT DISTRICT, THE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. SO THE PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT ARE FOUR INDIVIDUAL NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATIONS, SINGLE, UH, SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER IS CONSENTING TO THE DESIGNATION. AND IS THE, UM, IS THE PRESENTER READY TO GO? WE HAVE TWO BRIEFINGS TO START, UM, BRIEFING A ONE IS REBECCA DEBORAH, MOSCOW, I'M SORRY. MADAM CHAIRMAN, STAFF COMMISSIONER HOME. SETH. YES. UM, WE HAVE SIX CASES THAT WE'LL TAKE ACTION ON THAT SHOULD HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS IS OUR PROTOCOL IS STILL BEING, UH, ADMINISTERED WHERE BEFORE WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION WE ACTUALLY HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC STAFF, WOULD THAT BE THE TIME WE SHOULD HEAR THE, FROM THE PUBLIC? IS THAT STILL THE PROTOCOL THEY HAVE IN THE PAST? WE'VE AS A COURTESY, UM, HAVE, HAVE ALLOWED THESE PRESENTATIONS. UM, BUT WE ARE TAKING ACTION ON THEM ARE ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. UH, STEVE, DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? YES. YES. THESE ARE BRIEFINGS TO THE COMMISSION, UH, WHICH GENERALLY DON'T HAVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. UH, DURING THE COURSE OF THE NOMINATION, THE STATE BOARD OF REVIEW HOLDS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WAIT IN THE PUBLIC, UH, WHO WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THESE NOMINATIONS HAS AN OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT TO DO SO, BUT THIS IS REALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMISSION TO, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. I GUESS I WAS SAYING BEFORE WE GET OUR BRIEFING, WOULD WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE CASES, OR I GUESS WE'LL HEAR THE BRIEFING FIRST AND THEN GET HERE. WE'VE DONE IT IN A COUPLE OF OTHER CASES WHERE WE HAD BRIEFINGS, UM, ALLOWED THEM TO GO BEFORE THE, UH, BEFORE THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, MR. SEDOWSKY? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. OKAY. [2.A.1. Anderson Stadium (Yellow Jacket Stadium) – south of the intersection of Hargrave Ave., Rosewood Ave., and Thompson St. Council District 1] ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST BRIEFING AGAIN IS MS. REBECCA, THE BRASCO GOOD EVENING. UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO GIVE YOU THIS BRIEFING. MY NAME IS REBECCA NEBRASKA. I AM A HISTORIAN HERE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, AND I AM THE AUTHOR OF THE NOMINATION OF THE ANDERSON STADIUM KNOWN TODAY AS YELLOW JACKET STADIUM TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. I WROTE THIS NOMINATION AS PART OF MY VOLUNTEER WORK AND ON BEHALF OF THE ORIGINAL LC ANDERSON ALUMNI ASSOCIATION, WHICH WAS FORMED TO TAKE CARE OF, YOU KNOW, BE A VOICE FOR THE ALUMNI OF THE LP ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL AND, UM, TO ADVOCATE [01:00:01] FOR THE PRESERVATION OF ITS HISTORIC PLACES, ITS HISTORIC ARTIFACTS AND ITS STORIES. AS I HOPE, ALL OF, YOU KNOW, LP ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL, THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS, UM, AUSTIN'S ONLY PUBLIC AFRICAN-AMERICAN HIGH SCHOOL. IT, UH, IT WAS ON THE EAST SIDE. UM, IT CAME OUT OF EARLY, EARLY BLACK HIGH SCHOOL. YOU KNOW, IT BECAME KNOWN AS LC ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL AND THE 1930S, THE YELLOW JACKET STADIUM OR ANDERSON STADIUM OPENED IN EIGHT IN 1953 AS PART OF THE THIRD AND THE LAST CAMPUS FOR LC ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL. THE YELLOW JACKET STADIUM IS THE ONLY REMAINING PLACE ASSOCIATED WITH ELSIE ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL IN AUSTIN. ALL OF THE OTHER SCHOOL BUILDINGS HAVE NOW BEEN DESTROYED EITHER THROUGH DEMOLITION, BY NEGLECT THROUGH ARSON OR IN THIS CASE, UM, THROUGH THE RECONSTRUCTION AND OPENING OF A NEW HIGH SCHOOL ON THE 1953 ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL SITE, EAST SIDE MEMORIAL AND INTERNATIONAL HIGH SCHOOLS, WHICH JUST OPENED THIS YEAR. SO THIS STADIUM IS THE ONLY REMAINING HISTORIC PLACE IN EAST AUSTIN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS HIGH SCHOOL. IN ADDITION, UM, I KNOW THAT RARITY ISN'T ALWAYS THE CASE FOR SIGNIFICANCE, BUT IN ADDITION, UM, IT WAS EXTREMELY RARE TO EVEN HAVE A BLACK PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL STADIUM. THE VAST MAJORITY OF BLACK HIGH SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS HAD TO SHARE THEIR STADIUMS EITHER WITH THE WHITE PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL OR AS PART OF THE CITY STADIUM AND THEN HAD TO SCHEDULE THEIR GAMES, UM, AROUND THE WHITE HIGH SCHOOLS, UH, GANG, HOWEVER RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT MAYBE ONLY ABOUT THREE BLACK HIGH SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS HAD THEIR OWN STADIUM AND FURTHER RESEARCH ON MY PART HAS SHOWN THAT THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT STILL REMAINS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO FOR THAT REASON, WE ARE NOMINATING THIS TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, UM, FOR LOCAL SIGNIFICANT, AS WELL AS STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE IN THE, IN THE AREAS OF SPORT AND LEISURE AND AN ETHNIC HISTORY BLACK. I WANTED TO TAKE MOST OF MY TIME IN BRIEFING YOU ABOUT THIS TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE MORE UNUSUAL ASPECTS OF THIS NOMINATION, WHICH IS THE INTEGRITY OF, UM, THE STADIUM, AS YOU'VE SEEN AS, UM, AS WE'RE SCROLLING THROUGH THE PICTURES, THERE WAS, UH, THERE WERE HUGE BLEACHERS THERE THAT HAD, THAT WERE ABLE TO SEE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT CAME TO SEE THESE GAMES TO SEE, UM, ELSIE ANDERSON PLAY. THE YELLOW JACKET WERE HUGE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN BLACK FOOTBALL, THEY WON STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AND WHEN THEY DIDN'T WIN, THEY STILL PLAYED IN STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME. AND, UM, SO IT WAS EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, BUT THE STADIUM ITSELF, THE FACT THAT IT STILL REMAINS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF AN ASTONISHING FACT IN AND OF ITSELF. THE STADIUM CLOSED. UM, THE LAST GAME WAS PLAYED THERE IN 1966. UM, WHEN THE UNIVERSITY INTER SCHOLASTICALLY, UH, INTEGRATED AND ALLOWED THE BLACK HIGH SCHOOLS TO BE PART OF THAT. UM, AND THEN OUT THE ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL ITSELF CLOSED IN 1971 AS PART OF AIS PLAN TO INTEGRATE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THEN BUS HIS KIDS OUT TO THE OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS IN THE STATE, IN THE CITY IN 1982, THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE OPENED ITS FIRST CAMPUS AT THE LP ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL SITE. AND AS PART OF ITS CAMPUS, IT DECIDED TO, UM, PAY THE YELLOW JACKET STADIUM, THE FIELD AND THE TRACK PAVED IT FOR PARKING FOR THE COMMUTER STUDENTS FOR THE NEW CAMPUS. IN THE MEANTIME, THE BUILDINGS AND OTHER THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STADIUM, AS WELL AS WITH THE SCHOOL CONTINUED TO DETERIORATE AISD, TO NOT PUT ANY MAINTENANCE INTO THIS SCHOOL OR INTO THE BUILDINGS AND ALLOWED AND ALLOWED FOR THE FIELD TO BE PAVED. IT WASN'T UNTIL 1993, WHEN, UM, LED BY A FORMER NFL PLAYER, INFORMAL FORMER ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT HOLLYWOOD HENDERSON CAME BACK TO AUSTIN AND HE RECLAIMED THE STADIUM, ENTERED INTO A, AN AGREEMENT WITH AISC AND RESTORED THE FIELD, THE GRASS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE TRACK AROUND IT. THE [01:05:01] STADIUM DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT DID HISTORICALLY THE BLEACHERS ARE GONE, THE BLEACHERS WERE BUILT OUT OF WOOD AND METAL. AND WHEN YOU COMPARE THE STADIUM TO WHAT THE WHITE STUDENTS HAD OVER IT, HOW PARKS, WHERE THE BLEACHERS WERE BILLED SUBSTANTIALLY AND WITH CONCRETE, THEY WERE MADE TO LAST VERSUS THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED HERE IN THIS STADIUM WHERE THINGS WERE NOT MADE TO LAST, IT TELLS A STORY, DOESN'T IT? UM, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ARE GONE AND THEY WERE REMOVED AT SOME POINT BETWEEN THE CLOSURE OF ANDERSON AND REALLY ACC MOVING IN IN 1982. THE FACT THAT, UM, THIS STILL EXISTS AND THAT IT NO LONGER LOOKS THE SAME AS IT DID HISTORICALLY, THAT IT DOESN'T RETAIN SOME OF ITS INTEGRITY IS PART OF THE STORY OF ANDERSON STADIUM. IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT THESE HISTORIC PLACES. AND THE LACK OF INTEGRITY SHOWS THE FACT THAT IT WAS NEVER BUILT TO BE AN EQUAL STADIUM TO THE WHITE SCHOOL IN THE FIRST PLACE THAT CONTINUED POLICIES ABOUT CLOSURES OF THE SCHOOL DISINVESTMENT AND INSTITUTIONAL DISCRIMINATION AFFECTED THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS AND THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS TODAY AND THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND TAKE THINGS INTO ACCOUNT FOR RESOURCES LIKE THIS. LIKE AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY, RESOURCES THAT MAYBE THE NOT HAVE THE SAME FUNDS AND SUPPORT AND RESOURCES AS THE WHITE SCHOOLS DID. AND SO I'VE MADE THAT ARGUMENT ABOUT INTEGRITY THAT IT, IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF INTEGRITY, BUT SOME OF THE SUBSTANTIAL THINGS THAT ARE MISSING ARE ALSO PART OF THE STORY. UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE, UM, THE OPTION TO GIVE A BRIEFING. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE HAPPY TO, BUT I WAS ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT OF THE NOMINATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN THAT ARGUMENT ABOUT INTEGRITY AND WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU FURTHER ABOUT IT. UM, OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION HEARING, I WOULD LOVE TO, BECAUSE THIS IS NOW I'M A DRUM I'M BEATING, SO I WOULD LOVE IT. AND THE TULSA RACE MASSACRE OF 1921, RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE. UM, OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, ABOUT THIS NOMINATION? I THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD STRONGLY, UM, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THIS NOMINATION TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION COMMISSIONER WRIGHT. IS THAT A MOTION? YES. OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HIND HINDSIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STILL RETAINS OWNERSHIP. UH, SO, UH, I WOULD ASSUME IT'S NEBRASKA THAT IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER HOOPS YOU'VE JUMPED THROUGH, YOU'VE ALSO WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT VERY CLOSELY TO MAKE ALL THIS HAPPEN AND HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE BETTER STEWARDS IN THE FUTURE. YES. AND YES, I HAVE WORKED WITH THEM THROUGH, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE ADVOCACY OF THE ALUMNI ASSOCIATION. THEY REALLY ADVOCATED FOR THIS LISTING PROCESS WITH AISD. SO THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE NOMINATION AND I'VE TRIED AS HARD AS POSSIBLE TO DRIVE HOME TO THEM. UM, ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF BEING BETTER STEWARDS. THEY WANT TO, THEY HAVE, THEY'RE BUILDING ACTUALLY A NEW FIELD HOUSE AT THE SITE, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE PICTURES OF IT IN THE NOMINATION. IT'S PRETTY, UM, LOW PROFILE AND LOW IMPACT. SO HOPEFULLY THAT CAN GET, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE BETTER BATHROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT PROPERTY. AND I WOULD HOPE WHEN SOMEDAY THEY DO DECIDE TO BUILD BLEACHERS, UM, BY VIRTUE OF THIS, HAVING A REGISTRATION THAT, UH, IT WOULD LIKELY COME BEFORE US AND WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO RESEARCH THEIR HISTORY AND POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO PUT BACK SOME OF WHAT WAS LOST BY NEGLECT COMMISSIONER COOK. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE INTENT OF HIS, OF THE FUTURE USE, UH, BY THE DISTRICT WHEN IT'S A SITE WITH LOSS OF INTEGRITY, BUT WHAT WAS THERE, IF IT WERE A RESTORATION, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL RESTORATION, YOU'D BE PUTTING BACK SOMETHING THAT WAS POORLY CONSTRUCTED TO BEGIN WITH. AND SO I'M INTERESTED IN HOW THAT'S GOING TO PLAY OUT IN PRACTICE WHEN, WHEN THEY DO MOVE FORWARD TO TRY TO INTERPRET SOMETHING WITH, WITH AN IMPROVEMENT, UH, WHEN IT'S, UH, POSSIBLY MORE LIKE, UH, UH, THE SITE [01:10:01] IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT LESS THAN WHAT WAS GONE, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE REPRODUCTION OF THE POOR QUALITY ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, BUT RATHER MAYBE HONOR IT SOMEHOW. OR THAT, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A COMPLICATION THAT THAT MAY BE DOWN THE ROAD FOR THEM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE A COMPLICATION IN THIS, A UNIQUE APPROACH. I THINK AT THIS, AT THIS JUNCTURE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO RECOMMEND THE NOMINATION AS IT IS. AND, AND INDEED, UM, IF IT IS LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER, IT WOULD COME BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER. AND WE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE TO, UM, UH, TO DISCUSS, UH, ASPECTS OF, UM, A RECONSTRUCTION OR A, UM, OR A REPLICA, UM, OF SOMETHING THAT WAS THERE IN THE PAST. UM, I, I HAVE THAT CASE RIGHT NOW IN MY NOMINATION FOR TULSA. AND, UM, WE, WE HAD A CASE WHERE A PROPERTY WAS BOTH MOVED AND THE STRUCTURE WAS MOVED AND THEN WE HAD TO APPLY NEW BRAKE TO IT. SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IS GIVING SOME LEEWAY ON, UM, FOR UNDERREPRESENTED, UH, COMMUNITIES. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT. I ENJOY HEARING ABOUT THIS NOMINATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO READING IT. I THINK AS PRESERVATION PROFESSIONALS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR SEVERAL YEARS ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS OF HOW THIS WORK RESOURCES HAVE BEEN EVALUATED WHEN THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES, THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF MOVEMENT AND THE STANDARDS FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND INTEGRITY STANDARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THIS WILL BE A GREAT PROJECT TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD AND GET LISTED AND HAVE THAT, THAT DOCUMENTATION AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND THEN THE NATIONAL REGISTER. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THEY'RE GETTING MORE OPEN TO THE PROPERTIES LIKE THIS WITH INTEGRITY ISSUES. AND I THINK MR. NEBRASKA, THAT YOUR POINT OF THE INTEGRITY ISSUES THAT ARE PART OF THE STORY OF WHY THIS IS SIGNIFICANT AND THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITE IS REALLY IMPORTANT COMMISSIONERS. UM, DID WE TAKE A VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION? WE JUST DISCUSSED IT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE, ON THE TABLE AND A SECOND, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING THIS PROPERTY TO THE COMMISSION, IT WILL BE HEARD AT THE SEPTEMBER STATE BOARD REVIEW MEETING ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND ANY OPPOSED? NONE IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT CASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. [2.A.2. Huston-Tillotson College – 900 Chicon St. Council District 1] NOW WE HAVE A CARRYOVER TRON I THINK IS GIVING US A PRESENTATION ON HOUSTON TILLOTSON PROPERTY UP FOR NOMINATION, CORRECT? YES. AND COMMISSIONERS CARE ON HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, AS THE CHAIR JUST MENTIONED, I'M HERE TO SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT NOMINATION FOR HOUSTON TILL IT'S UNIVERSITY, WHICH IS AUSTIN'S OLDEST INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING. THIS NOMINATION WAS COMPLETED AS PART OF THE TRANSLATING COMMUNITY HISTORY PROJECT AND SUPPORTED BY A NATIONAL PARK SERVICE UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITY GRANT. SO HOPEFULLY IT'S SOME OF WHAT I'M SAYING. IT SOUNDS A LITTLE FAMILIAR BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD IT IN BRIEF BEFORE AS PART OF LARGER, UH, UH, PRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE OVERALL PROJECT. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, UH, HOUSTON TILLOTSON WAS FORMED WHEN TWO HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND WHERE EACH SEEMS AT LEAST IN COLLEGE UNTIL IT'S NAMED. SO IT'S AN INSTITUTE. BOTH COLLEGES WERE ESTABLISHED DURING RECONSTRUCTION WHEN CHURCH AFFILIATED ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY REALLY HELPED TO LEAD A PUSH IN THE SOUTH TO EDUCATE FORMERLY ENSLAVED PEOPLE AND INDUSTRIAL SKILLS. AND IN LIBERAL ARTS LIKE OTHER EARLY BLACK COLLEGES, HOUSTON COLLEGE, UNTIL IT'S DONE TILL IT'S AN INSTITUTE INITIALLY FOCUSED ON PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION FILLING IN CRITICAL GAPS OVER THE YEARS, THOUGH, BOTH COLLEGES REFLECTED SHIFTS IN BLACK HIGHER EDUCATION BECOMING ACCREDITED FOR COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES IN THE 1920S AND 1930S, THEY DID ALSO FACE PERSISTENT FINANCIAL STRUGGLES LIKE MOST OTHER HDC USE AS RACIST POLICIES AND ATTITUDES LED TO CHRONIC UNDERFUNDING. SADLY HOUSTON COLLEGE WAS LOCATED AT WHAT WAS EAST AVENUE BETWEEN EASTERN EAST 11TH AND EAST 13TH STREETS. IT WAS DEMOLISHED FROM 5 30, 5 WAS CONSTRUCTED WHEN THE TWO COLLEGES MERGED IN 1952 HOUSTON CLASSES GRADUALLY SHIFTED TO THE TILLOTSON CAMPUS, WHICH IS THE PRESENT DAY CAMPUS LOCATED BETWEEN THESE SEVEN EAST 11 CHECON IN CHALMERS. MOST OF [01:15:01] THE CAMPUSES BUILDINGS, UH, THAT IT STILL EXISTS TODAY WERE BUILT AFTER THE MERGER AND WERE DESIGNED BY A PROMINENT LOCAL ARCHITECTURE FIRM, LUX BAR, GRABER, AND WHITE, OR SOME PERMUTATION OF THOSE ARCHITECTS THAT KIND OF SHIFTED OVER TIME. THIS CREATED A COHERENT CAMPUS AESTHETIC OF LOW SLUNG BUILDINGS LOOK CLEAN LINES AND MODERN MATERIALS. A FEW EARLIER BUILDINGS FROM TILLOTSON INSTITUTE. DO YOU REMAIN INCLUDING TWO THAT ARE BOTH INDIVIDUALLY LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC LANDMARKS EVANS HALL IN THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH MR. TILLOTSON TO RECOGNIZE ITS SIGNIFICANCE UNDER CRITERIA A AND C OVER THE YEARS, HT HAS EDUCATED AND UPLIFTED AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDENTS AND FACULTY, ITS TRAJECTORY HAS REPRESENTED EVOLVING APPROACHES TO BLACK HIGHER EDUCATION, AND IT CONTINUES TO BE AN IMPORTANT COMMUNITY RESOURCE. THE CAMPUS ALSO HAS A REMARKABLE TRACKABLE NUMBER OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES THAT REPRESENT MORE THAN A CENTURY OF HISTORICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL DEVELOPMENT. UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION IN THE NOMINATION. UH, IT INCLUDES SOME CONTEXT ON AFRICAN-AMERICAN EDUCATION IN TEXAS OVER THE YEARS, AS WELL AS HTS DEVELOPMENT. UM, YOU'RE SEEING SOME PHOTOS FROM THE NOMINATION NOW, AND I HOPE YOU'LL CHECK IT OUT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. UM, THAT IS HERE'S MY BRIEF OVERVIEW. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OH, I SHOULD ALSO MENTION THAT, UM, SOME OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE ACTUALLY FROM AN EXHIBIT, UM, THAT THE OAKWOOD CEMETERY CHAPEL HAS ON RIGHT NOW, IT'S ONLINE CALLED TO ELEVATE. AND SO YOU CAN ALSO GO THERE AND EXPLORE THAT RESOURCE IN ADDITION TO THE NOMINATION. THANK YOU, KAREN. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THIS PROPERTY, THIS DISTRICT TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION? DON'T BE SHY. COMMISSIONER HIND, SETH. I KNOW YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE. YES. A MOTION TO, UH, ENDORSE THIS, UH, THIS NOMINATION. DO I HEAR A SECOND COMMISSIONER CASTILLO? I THINK YOU WANT TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CASTILLO'S SECONDS. THE MOTION, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE, ON THE CASE? YES, COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. JUST A QUESTION FOR KARA. UM, I ASSUME THE UNIVERSITY IS AWARE THAT THIS DESIGNATION WOULD QUALIFY THEM FOR STATE TAX CREDITS. YES, YES THEY ARE. AND SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T MENTION, UM, IS THAT THIS IS NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S SPECIFICALLY LINKED TO INCENTIVES, BUT WHEN WE, WITH THE TRANSLATING COMMUNITY HISTORY PROJECT THAT WAS STARTED IN 2018, UM, EARLY 2018, WE HAD ONE OF OUR EARLY MEETINGS ON THE HOUSTON TILLOTSON CAMPUS. AND, UM, PRESIDENT PIERCE BURNETTE COLLECT PIERCE BURNETT HAD, HAD SENT SOME OF HER STAFF AND SHE ACTUALLY ENDED UP COMING TO THE MEETING HERSELF. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOCUS AREAS OF MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO CAMPUS. AND SHE SAID, WHY AREN'T YOU LOOKING AT HOUSTON TILLOTSON? YOU'RE A SU WE ARE HISTORIC. YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE PART OF THIS PROJECT IN A MORE SUBSTANTIAL WAY. SO SHE'S FULLY AWARE OF NATIONAL REGISTER LISTING AND THE BENEFITS THAT COME WITH IT. UM, AND IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY, IT WAS A LOVELY CONVERSATION TO BE PART OF. AND, UH, SHE AND HER STAFF HAD BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS THROUGHOUT. SHE'S REALLY QUITE FANTASTIC. YEAH. THEY'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE, YEAH. LET ME JUST HAVE A, FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS NOT SPENT TIME ON THE CAMPUS, UM, AND OF COURSE I'VE BEEN FASCINATED WITH THAT CHAPEL FOR YEARS, THAT IT IS VERY QUIET, UH, BUT A CONSISTENT ARCHITECTURE THAT DEMONSTRATES SOME VERY HIGH INTEGRITY, MID CENTURY MODERN AS WELL AS, UH, THE TWO EARLIER BUILDINGS, UH, ALL VERY WORTHY, UH, OF OBVIOUSLY MORE ATTENTION. AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP ELEVATE THAT AND BRING MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COLLEGE, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. LET'S TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING THIS, PLEASE SAY, AYE. I THINK WE TOOK THIS VOTE. ANY OF THOSE? NO. IF AS IS WE RECOMMEND IT. IT'S GOOD TO GO. THANK YOU, KARA. DID YOU DO THIS IN YOUR SPARE TIME? NO, I DID IT WHEN I WAS WORKING FOR THIS FOR PRESERVATION OFFICE. OKAY. ALTHOUGH I MIGHT HAVE DONE IT IN MY SPARE TIME, YOUR VOLUNTEER, OR, OKAY. I THINK, UM, WE HAVE THOSE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS. WE CAN GO BACK AND GET THE, UH, TESTIMONY FROM THOSE, THE APPLICATIONS. [01:20:01] I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS HERE. I HAVE ONE ON BOWMAN AVENUE, A TWO ON PART VIEW B A 3,909 AVENUE, G C3, 1,009 WEST WESTLAND AND D TWO, UH, 3,704, UM, METRO BANK AND D 5 43 15 AVENUE C SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER. HOLD YOUR PEACE. OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT ABOUT UNFAIR. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET STARTED WITH SPEAKERS, SPEAKERS? WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS IN THE ORDER THAT I JUST READ THE, UH, APPLICATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SPEAKERS FOR THOSE CASES, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE SPEAKERS AND THEN WE WILL TAKE UP THE ITEMS IN THAT SAME ORDER. SO IS THERE SOMEONE TO SPEAK ON, ON THE FIRST ITEM? UH, A ONE ON BOWMAN AVENUE. YES. WE HAVE A MR. MICHAEL WHELAN, UM, WHO IS AGAINST REZONING OF 3009 BOWMAN. AND, UH, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS. OKAY, MR. WAYLON. OKAY. YES, MA'AM IF YOU COULD PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN THE PRESENTATION'S UP. THANK YOU. UH, MICHAEL WHALEN ON BEHALF OF THE BOWMAN FAMILY. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THAT YOU RECOMMEND AGAINST HISTORIC ZONING FOR 3009 BOWMAN IN WEST AUSTIN, AS YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PRIOR APPEARANCE AT HLC, THAT STORK ASSOCIATION IN THIS CASE IS REVEREND JOHN BARKLEY, WHO SERVED AS PASTOR FOR CENTRAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH. WHEN THEN SENATOR LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON WAS A CONGREGANT AND WHO SPOKE AT JOHNSON'S INAUGURATION AS VICE-PRESIDENT. AND KENNEDY'S FOR PRESIDENT THOUGH, IMPORTANTLY STAFF NOTES THAT REVEREND BARCLAY WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE THE CURRENT BUILDING DUE TO THE EXTENSIVE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO IT OVER THE YEARS, WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE SLIDE THREE. IN STAFF'S OWN WORDS, THESE EXTENSIVE AND MEANINGFUL CHANGES, RAISE A QUOTE, QUESTION OF INTEGRITY AND QUOTE, AS TO WHETHER THE STRUCTURE TRULY MEETS THE ARCHITECTURAL CRITERIA FOR A STORAGE ZONE. NEXT SLIDE. THEY ALSO KNOW THAT THESE EXTENSIVE CHANGES, IT IS UNLIKELY THAT REVEREND BARKLEY WOULD RECOGNIZE THE CURRENT BUILDING AS THE HOME AND HIS WIFE AS THE HOME THAT HE AND HIS WIFE OCCUPIED FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND QUOTE IN EFFECT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE NO LONGER EXISTS, BUT HAS SINCE BEEN MEANINGFULLY MODIFIED AND SUBSUMED INTO A LARGER BUILDING. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, ALLOW ME TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE SITE FOOTPRINT. AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE SIX, YOU CAN SEE THAT MUCH OF THE BUILDING IS EITHER NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE SEEN IN RED OR WAS ONCE ORIGINAL, BUT HAS SINCE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED, SEEN IN PURPLE ONLY THE BLUE PORTIONS INDICATE A FACADE AREA THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT LIKELY EXISTED IN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING ALTO. ALL TOLD, WE ESTIMATE THAT ABOUT 70% OR MORE OF THE FACADE PERIMETER OF THE CURRENT BUILDING IS EITHER NOT ORIGINAL OR HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED. IF WE GO TO SLIDE SEVEN, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN. WHEN I SAY THAT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE NO LONGER EXISTS. THE EXTENSIVE WORK DONE TO THIS HOUSE, WHICH OCCURRED PRIOR TO THE BOWMAN'S PURCHASING. IT HAS MEANINGFULLY CHANGED THE WAY THAT SOMEONE WOULD EXPERIENCE THE STRUCTURE. WE GO TO SLIDE EIGHT, PLEASE, HERE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT IN PRACTICE. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE BOWMAN FACING FACADE IN THE BACKYARD, LOOKING AT IT, YOU GET, YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF HOW SOMEONE TODAY WOULD EXPERIENCE THIS STRUCTURE. AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE NINE, YOU SEE THAT MUCH OF IT CONSISTS OF LATER ADDITIONS, FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THE SPACE. SLIDE 10 HERE ON SLIDE 10, YOU CAN SEE A VIEW FROM THE SIDE, FROM THE SIDE YARD OF THE HOPI TRAIL FACING FACADE. AND WHEN YOU GO TO SLIDE 11, YOU AGAIN, SEE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER TIME. AND THEN FINALLY, NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE 12. ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE AN AREA OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WAS ONCE ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, BUT WHEN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE CAN SEE THAT EVEN HERE, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE THAT ALTER THE SPACE. FOR INSTANCE, THE COMMON COLUMNS YOU SEE ACTUALLY MADE A PERMIT CAST FIBERGLASS, WHICH PEOPLE SMARTER THAN MYSELF HAVE INFORMED ME, INDICATES THAT IT LIKELY DATES TO THE 1990S OR SO. AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM A BUILDER WHO CONDUCTED THIS INVESTIGATION. NEXT SLIDE. THE OTHER CRITERION STAFF IDENTIFIED FOR THIS PROPERTY IS HISTORIC ASSOCIATION WITH REVEREND JOHN BARKLEY, A LOCAL RELIGIOUS LEADER, WHO I APOLOGIZE TO INTERRUPT, BUT WE HAVE MET THE THREE MINUTE MARK AND MUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. OKAY. UM, [01:25:01] CAN YOU WRAP UP IN ONE SENTENCE PLEASE? MR. WHALEN? UH, YES, I CAN. IF WE CAN JUST GO TO THE LAB TO THE SLIDE, UM, EXCUSE ME, SLIDE 17. THE ONE, THE FINAL SENTENCE WOULD BE, I JUST ULTIMATELY, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE TIME WE'VE HAD NOW SINCE THE LAST MEETING TO INVESTIGATE THIS REALLY ISN'T A CASE THAT IS COMPELLING, UH, HISTORIC ZONING, I THINK MORE APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO, UH, UH, FOR YOU TO VOTE, NOT TO REZONE IT HISTORIC, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE EXTENSIVE MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. WHALEN, IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER ON THIS CASE? YES. YES, WE HAVE MR. BELLMEN OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ALSO OPPOSED TO HISTORIC ZONING. OKAY. THAT'S TEEBO BO BOMBING FOR WHOM THE STREET IS IN THE FAMILY FOR WHOM THE STREET IS NAMED. GO AHEAD, MR. BOWMAN, INDEED. UH, Y'ALL CAN HEAR ME, I ASSUME. YES. OKAY. UH, I AM TEEBO BOWMAN. UM, MY WIFE, HEATHER, AND I OWN THE PROPERTY WE'RE DISCUSSING. UH, BUT THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN TODAY ABOUT THIS CASE. UM, AND ABOUT OUR PLAN, UH, TO, TO BUILD A NEW HOME ON OUR PROPERTY, UM, OR OUR FAMILY CAN SAFELY LIVE. UM, I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS ON THIS CASE, BUT ULTIMATELY IT, IT, IT ALL SEEMS TO BOIL DOWN TO ONE THING. UM, AND THAT IS THAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY EXIST ANYMORE. UM, STAFF MAKES THIS POINT THEMSELVES IN THEIR REPORT. UM, LIKE WE'VE SAID, UH, THAT REVEREND BARKLEY, UM, THE MAN AT THE CENTER OF THE ZONING CASE, UM, WOULDN'T EVEN RECOGNIZE HIS HOUSE IF HE WERE ALIVE TODAY, I THINK IS WHAT THEY SAID. UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HEATHER AND I NOTICED WHEN WE WERE FIRST LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, SO SIGNIFICANT WORK HAD BEEN DONE TO IT OVER TIME, IT WAS OBVIOUS. UM, WE KNOW MORE DETAILS NOW, OF COURSE, BUT, UM, BOTH FROM THE LARGE NEW ADDITION AND ALSO THE, UH, EXTENSIVE CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL PARTS OF THE HOUSE WITH THE NEW WALLS, NEW WINDOWS SIDING, FRENCH DOORS, NEW PORCH, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN ALL, ALL THE WORK AND CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. WE, WE ACTUALLY LIKE NEVER IMAGINED THAT WE, WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, THAT WE MIGHT BE HERE AND KIND OF GOING THROUGH WHAT SEEMS TO BE BEING ASKED TO KIND OF ROLL EVERYTHING BACK AND RECREATE THAT THE HOUSE THAT, THAT DOESN'T EXIST, YOU KNOW, PRESENTLY, UM, Y'ALL, I MEAN, Y'ALL HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT MISSION AS A BODY, AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THESE CASES ARE PROBABLY TOUGH, DEFINITELY TOUGH. UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, I JUST THINK THAT IT ENDED UP BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC RECREATION AND NOT HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL. UM, SO AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME OUT AND, UH, AND I WOULD JUST ASK, UM, TO PLEASE NOT ZONE OUR PROPERTY HISTORIC, UM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR FAMILY, AND WE JUST WANT A HOME THAT'S SAFE AND AS, AS OUR OWN, UM, ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, BUT EVEN FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT, IT MAKES SENSE. THIS CASE MAKES SENSE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE TYPE OF CASE THAT IS THAT THE BODY WAS ESTABLISHED TO TAKE ON. SO, UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR HEARING US OUT, UM, AND FOR YOUR SERVICE TO AUSTIN, MR. BOWMAN, UH, AND WE WILL TAKE UP THE CASE, UH, YOU CAN STAY ON, UH, ON THE LINE, UM, IN CASE WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL TAKE UP THE, AFTER ALL THE SPEAKERS ARE HEARD. UM, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON EIGHT? UH, WE STILL HAVE SPEAKERS ON AWAN. MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, WE HAVE ABOUT THREE MORE. OH, ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE HAVE MS. HEATHER BOWMAN. OKAY. THIS IS HEATHER BOWMAN. UM, AT THE LAST HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING, I SPOKE ABOUT HOW THIS CASE WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT OUR LIVES. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CONTINUES TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. UM, FOR US, THIS CASE REALLY BOILS DOWN TO THE ABILITY, UH, FOR US TO HAVE A HOME THAT'S SAFE AND THAT ENSURES OUR HEALTH AND THE HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN. UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD MUCH OF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN CHANGED IN ATTITUDE OVER TIME, BUT PARTS OF THE HOUSE ARE OLDER AND THOSE OLDER PARTS HAVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ONE MIGHT EXPECT IN AN OLDER CONSTRUCTION. BUT THE MOST CONCERNING TO ME IS THE LEAD PAINT. UM, WE HAD ENVIRONMENTAL [01:30:01] TESTS DONE, UM, ON THE OLDER PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE AND THEY CONFIRMED THAT YES, LEAD PAINT IS PRESENT. UM, AND THAT'S NOT A SPACE WHERE I WANT OUR CHILDREN TO LIVE IN PLAY IN. UM, I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE TO LIVE IN A COMPROMISED SPACE. UM, I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A HOUSE THAT WE ARE CERTAIN TO SAFE AND HEALTHY AND WILL LAST FOR A LIFETIME WITHOUT RECURRING PROBLEMS LIKE THIS. UM, AND SO TODAY YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP US DO THAT BY RECOMMENDING AGAINST HISTORIC ZONING. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE THING THING. UM, I'M NOT A HISTORIC POLICY EXPERT AT ALL, BUT, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS CASE AND THE EXTENSIVE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO THE HOUSE AGAIN AND AGAIN, OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL DECADES, UM, AND THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER WOULDN'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THIS HOUSE TODAY, IT SEEMS CLEAR TO ME THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THE CITY'S OWN CRITERIA. UM, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS PROBABLY SEEN A NUMBER OF CASES IN WHICH THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ASKED YOU NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS HISTORIC ZONING. UM, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I JUST CAN'T HELP, BUT THINK THAT THIS ISN'T REALLY THE TYPE OF CASE THAT THE HLC, UM, WAS ESTABLISHED TO HANDLE THERE, THERE MAY BE TIMES WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE TO MOVE WITH HISTORIC ZONING, UM, DESPITE A PROPERTY OWNER'S CONCERNS THAT THOSE SHOULD BE CATERED FOR THE HISTORIC TIES. YEAH. YEAH. UH, I THINK YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE WRAP IT UP RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS, HEATHER. OKAY. THE NEXT SPEAKER. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MR. MICHAEL GARDENY. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST TELL YOU MY TIME BACK. I'LL MEET ME ON THE LINE IN CASE I'M NEEDED FOR QUESTIONS LATER AS ONE OF THE AGENTS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE HAVE A MR. MICHAEL DEAN, MR. DALE, UM, TERABYTES, SHERIFF, MR. SANKEY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU. UM, MY NAME IS MICHAEL DEAN I'M, UH, I'M A HOME BUILDER IN AUSTIN, BUT I'VE, I'VE ALSO BEEN A RESIDENT OF CHERRY TOWN FOR ABOUT 34 YEARS OF MY ADULT LIFE. UM, I WANT TO JUST SPEAK TO JUST WHAT I'VE SEEN IN, IN, IN BEING AROUND TARRYTOWN HOUSES FOR THE LAST 30 PLUS YEARS. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEW ADDITIONS, BUT I'M MORE, UH, GOING TO ADDRESS THE, THE ADDITIONS. UH, HEATHER BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, HEATHER, UM, THAT SHE THOUGHT THE PATIO DIDN'T SEEM ORIGINAL. AND, AND, UH, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THOSE COLUMNS AND STARTED KNOCKING ON AND FIGURED OUT THAT THEY WEREN'T WOOD AND DRILL THE HOLE IN A COUPLE OF THEM. AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE DEFINITELY FIBERGLASS COLUMNS. UH, THEY, THEY WILL DESERT BY THE CATALOG. I FOUND THEIR PERMIT CAST, UM, WHICH IS A BRAND, UH, THAT WAS INTRODUCED IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, BUT REALLY HIT AUSTIN IN THE MID NINETIES. UM, THE BRICK ON THE, ON THE PATIO, IN THE PART OF THE HOUSE, I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE GONE TO WOULD BE THE PATIO. THE FRONT PORCH, THE BRICK IS DEFINITELY NOT ORIGINAL. AND, AND THE THERE'S HALF WALLS THAT THE NEW COLUMNS, UH, SIT ON, WHICH WOULD INDICATE, UH, THAT THE, THE WALLS WERE DEFINITELY, OR THE COLUMNS ARE ALSO NEW. UM, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE WINDOWS. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND THE OLDER PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE, THE PARTS THAT I GUESS WERE, WERE LABELING ALTERED, UM, WHERE THEY, UH, TOOK AWAY SINGLE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS AND REPLACED THEM WITH MODERN, UH, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS, BUT TRIPLE MOLD TOGETHER, UH, FILLING UP THE WHOLE WALL SPACE. AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER BACK PATIOS, WHICH I'M, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS A ROOM THAT USED TO BE THE CARPORT, BUT NOW IT'S AN INTERIOR SPACE THAT PATIO HAS HAD THE ENTIRE WALL TORN DOWN IN A BIG, UM, SQUARE WINDOW INSTALLED, UH, UNTIL MODERN INSULATED GLASS WINDOWS. UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ALSO SEE INDICATIONS THAT THE FRONT PORCH MIGHT EVEN BE ALTERED MORE THAN EVEN IT APPEARS FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AND THAT THERE'S COINS ON EVERY, ON THE OLD PORTION OF THE HOUSE HAS THESE REALLY PRETTY BRICK COINS, BUT YET THE PORCH DOESN'T HAVE COINS. IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. ALSO THE FRONT PORCH, THE WAY THE LAP SIDING IS KIND OF SCABBED ONTO THE BRICK, DOESN'T SEEM VERY AUTHENTIC OR DOESN'T REALLY, I CAN'T, IT LOOKS LIKE A, A KIND OF A QUICK REMODEL TO ME, THE WAY THAT THOSE TWO PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE COME TOGETHER. UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, ALL I CAN SAY IS THERE'S FOLKS, THE ORIGINAL PARKS, THE STRUCTURE, EVEN THEN MOST OF IT, ISN'T ORIGINAL CONDITION. [01:35:01] UM, IT'S BEEN MEANINGFULLY ALL THIRD IN, IN FUNDAMENTAL WAYS. AND LIKE PEABO SAID, IT SEEMS LIKE WOULD IT BE MORE CREATING SOMETHING HISTORICAL THAN PRESERVING? UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND I'LL, I'LL STAY ON THE LINE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. THANK YOU. AND I AM THINKING THAT WAS THE LAST OF OUR SPEAKERS ON THIS CASE. YOU ARE CORRECT. MADAM CHAIR, MOVING [3.A.2. PR-2021-064188 – Chrysler Air-Temp House in the Air-Conditioned Village – 2502 Park View Dr. – Discussion Council District 7] ON TO ITEM A 2 25 0 2 PARKVIEW DRIVE. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE, MR. DOMINIQUE. IN OPPOSITION TO HISTORIC ZONING FOLLOWED BY FIVE MORE SPEAKERS. OKAY. Y'ALL HAVE HEIGHT. OKAY. THIS IS DOMINIQUE OBEY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. UM, I WANTED TO, UM, ADDRESS FROM, UH, THE PROPERTY EVALUATION, UM, UH, DOCUMENTS, UM, FROM THE, UH, STOCK REPORT, UM, THE DESIGN CRITERIA, UM, FOR ONE TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDING BEING MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD, AND IT IS, UH, 67 YEARS OLD. UM, I'VE SUBMITTED A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING LETTER TALKING ABOUT THE CRACK THAT RUNS THROUGH THE ENTIRE SLAB FROM BEGINNING TO END FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, TO THE BACK, UM, BUS, THE SEWER, UM, UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE AND IN WHAT ENTAILS TO REPAIR THAT, UM, IN, IN THE, IN LOT MONTHS, UM, CALLED THERE WAS A NOTE THAT IN THE ITEM A, ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, NOW THERE'S A TRAIN HOUSE UP THE ROAD, UM, WHICH IS AN EXACT COPY, UH, LOCATED AT 27 10 PARKY DRIVE. UM, THE ARGUMENT THAT, UH, 2,502 PARKVIEW IS UNIQUE IS WEAK. UM, WHEN THERE'S AN EXACT, UM, PROPERTY JUST HAPPENS UP THE ROAD, UM, WHERE THE SAME ARCHITECTURE ARCHITECTURE CAN BE SEEN, UM, AND THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE HAD, UM, COMPLETE FREEDOM TO ACTUALLY FIX THE HOUSE UP AND REPLACE THE WINDOWS, WHICH THEY DID LIKE A MONTH AGO, UM, WITHOUT ANY ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE OVERSIGHT. UM, ALL THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE ARE GRANTED DEMOLITION PERMITS, AND THEY HAD MODERN MATERIALS, EASE AND CLEAR STORY WINDOWS THAT PROMOTED DAYLIGHTING. UM, AND TO ME, 25 0 2 RQ IS IN THE SAME CATEGORY. UM, AND IN SECTION B, UM, THE HOUSE HAS NO HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN, UM, TO SUGGEST THAT A DINOSAUR SIZE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT, WHICH PERFORMED POORLY IS THE REASON WE SHOULD KEEP THIS HOUSE, UM, IS, IS A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW. UM, AND THERE'S NO ARCHEOLOGICAL VALUE AND, UM, UNIQUE IS BEING THE ONLY ONE OF ITS KIND, UNLIKE ANYTHING ELSE. SO WITH A TWIN HOUSE UP THE ROAD, UM, I'M CURIOUS IF THIS IS NOT CONSIDERED A PRODUCTION HOME AT THAT POINT, UM, SINCE THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE BASICALLY MINUTE TWICE, UM, AND THE COMMUNITY VALUE, THE STAFF REPORT LEANS HEAVY ON AGAIN, THE AIR CONDITIONING LIKE IS UNITING US ALL. UM, BUT, UH, I THINK THE HOUSE, UH, IT DOESN'T REALLY POSSESS A UNIQUE LOCATION. AND SINCE THERE'S A TWIN HOUSE AFTER DAVE AND, UH, THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS ARE MUCH LIKE MAYBE IF THE HOUSE IS THAT AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE FORMITY, AND HABITED, UH, THAT WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, GRANTED DEMOLITION PERMIT. SO I WAS HOPING TO TAKE A MINUTE AND SHOW THE RENDERINGS ON, UM, THAT I SUBMITTED IN TALKING ABOUT THESE, IF THEY WOULD BE PUT ON THE SCREEN FOR EVERYBODY. I APOLOGIZE, BUT WE'VE MET THE THREE MINUTE MARK. I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. WE'VE MET THE THREE MINUTE MARK FOR THE SPEAKER AND MUST MOVE ON. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE RENDERINGS CAN'T BE SEEN NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ON RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT I'M SORRY. OUR TIME IS LIMITED. UM, CAN WE HEAR THE NEXT SPEAKER? YES. WE HAVE A MS. SUE FLORES, MINNICK, WHO IS ALSO AN OPPOSITION OF HISTORIC ZONING. OKAY, MS. MINUTE. YES. UH, GOOD EVENING. UM, MY NAME IS AND I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION OF THE CREATION OF HISTORIC ACV DISTRICT. I'M ALSO SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF DOMINIQUE AND OF THE VACANT COMPANY REGARDING HIS PLANS FOR THE 25 0 2 PARTNERS. YOU DRIVE. I FEEL EMPOWERED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, BECAUSE UNLIKE OTHERS WHO MAY BE OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT, EITHER IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY AT 2,500 FOR PART D DRIVE AND HAVE LIVED IN AND RAISED A FAMILY IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 20 YEARS, [01:40:01] AND MY OWN HOME WAS BUILT IN THE LATE 1950S. THEREFORE YOU MIGHT WONDER, WILL I BE PERSONALLY AFFECTED AND OR INCONVENIENCE DURING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF 25 0 2 PARTIES? THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT I FIRMLY BELIEVE THE END RESULT WILL BE AN ASSET TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND A PROJECT WORTH THE PRE BEING A NEWLY BUILT HOME NEXT DOOR TO US WILL HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THE VALUE OF MY HOME. WHEREAS THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF 2,502 TO POSSIBLY HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT. DOMINIQUE IS THE UNIQUE DESIGN BUILD PROFESSIONAL. HE'S NOT A BUILDER OF SUBURBAN COOKIE CUTTER HOMES. DOMINIQUE'S ACTUALLY LIVED HERE AND IS RAISING A FAMILY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. HE TAKES PARTICULAR PRIDE IN POSITIVE STEWARDSHIP OF THE PROPERTIES HE HAS WORKED ON HAVING DRIVEN THE AREA AND, UH, TOURED A NUMBER OF OTHER PROPERTIES BUILT BY DOMINIC. I CAN TESTIFY TO HIS COMMITMENT TO BUILDING NEW RESIDENCES ON EXISTING LOTS THAT ADD TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, DOMINIQUE HAS GONE TO GREAT LENGTH TO SAVE EXISTING TREES AND, OR ADD NEW TREES AND PLANTS TO THE LANDSCAPING. HE WILL OFTEN INCORPORATE MATERIALS SAY FROM THE OLD STRUCTURE THINGS THROUGH THE MATERIALS AND STYLES OF OUR AREA, ALL OF WHICH IMBUES A NATURAL FEEL OF PERMANENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TAMIA. FINALLY, I'VE BEEN INSIDE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF 2,502 PARTS YOU DRIVE IN CAN PERSONALLY ATTACK UNLIVABLE LIVABLE CONDITION. THE OWNERS OF THIS ADDRESS DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD SANCTUARY THERE. WE SHOULD NOT DENY THEM OF THIS WORTHY ENDEAVOR. ONCE AGAIN, I OPPOSE THE CREATION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IN MY OPINION, 25 0 2 PARK VIEW IS NOT IN AND OF ITSELF. LANDMARK WORDS. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, JUST THIS PROPERTY. UM, SO THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER ON THIS? WE HAVE FOUR MORE SPEAKERS ALL IN FAVOR OF HISTORIC ZONING. THE FIRST IS MR. KEVIN SMITH. I CAN MR. SMITH. HELLO COMMISSION. SORRY. I WAS A LITTLE BIT DELAYED ON MY TECHNOLOGY THERE. UM, MY NAME IS KEVIN SMITH AND I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY AT 2,500 PARKVIEW DRIVE. THANK YOU, COMMISSION STAFF. AND, UH, MY NEIGHBORS ARE TAKING THE TIME TO BEAT WITHOUT SITTING HERE TONIGHT. I'M HERE OBVIOUSLY TO SPEAK, UM, AGAINST THIS PERMIT. AND I WANT TO SPEAK TO HOW TRADITIONALLY IN THIS KIND OF PLACE I WOULD HAVE KNOCKED ON DOORS AND TRIED TO GET MY NEIGHBORS TO SIGN A PETITION, UM, IN OPPOSITION OF THIS. BUT I JUST PERSONALLY FELT THAT DUE TO THE CURRENT COVID SITUATION, THAT IT WAS NOT PRUDENT TO POTENTIALLY RISK MYSELF ANOTHER SLIDE DOING AN IN-PERSON PETITION GATHERING. SO INSTEAD I PIVOTED, LIKE WE ALL HAVE DONE DURING THE PANDEMIC TO A DIGITAL SOLUTION. SO WE CREATED A CHANGE.ORG PETITION. THE SIGNATURES, DIGITAL SIGNATURES ARE IN YOUR BACKUP. UH, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME HESITANCY. UH, WHEN WE OPEN UP AN ONLINE PETITION TO EVERYONE IN THE DIGITAL WORLD TO SIGN THAT WE DID OUR BEST TO TRY TO HAVE COUCHES ON WHO COULD SIGN PETITION AND HOW WE CAN TRACK WHAT STUDENTS' SIGNATURES CAME FROM. AND WE DID THAT BY ASKING FOR RESPONDENTS TO INCLUDE THERE'S A CODES, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE DATA THAT WE PRESENTED YESTERDAY, AND THAT THEY WILL IN YOUR BACKUP AND OF THE 455 SIGNATURES WE HAVE OUT ARE IN FAVOR OF SAVING THIS STRUCTURE. NEXT DOOR, 25% OF THEM, 116 SIGNATURES COME FROM ZIP CODES THAT ARE WITHIN THE ALLENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARIES, AND THEN A FURTHER 119. SO 51, ALMOST 52% FROM AUSTIN PROPER. SO I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO THE NON-INTIMATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE CITY AS WELL, WANTING TO SAVE THIS HISTORIC HOUSE FOR ITS ARCHITECTURE, ITS RELATIONSHIP TO FRED DAY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE ON A PERSON BY PERSON BASIS. BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT PROVES THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A COMMUNITY AND THEN NEIGHBORHOODS LEAD EVENTS. AND I THERE'S ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. I WILL BE HERE FOR YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AND STAFF FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THE NEXT FIRST OF THE NEXT SPEAKER. YES, WE HAVE, UH, MS. CAROLYN CROOM ALSO IN FAVOR OF HISTORIC ZONING. UH, CANDACE CRIM GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. UH, [01:45:01] I SUPPORT PRESERVATION AS A MID-CENTURY MODERN HOME AT 25 0 2 PART. DO YOU DRIVE AS AN EX AS AN EXCELLENT MODERN RESIDENCE DESIGNED BY A WELL-KNOWN AUSTIN ARCHITECT. THIS HAS A SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL VALUE. IN ADDITION, IT'S THE BEST PRESERVED HOME AND THE PROPOSED AUSTIN AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND IT'S ALSO REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTIRE PROPOSED DISTRICT. THE AC VILLAGE EXPERIMENT WAS THE FIRST LARGE SCALE AND THE LARGEST PROJECT OF TEST HOUSES BUILT IN THE 1950S, THE FEASIBILITY OF AIR CONDITIONING AT HOMES THAT MIDDLE-CLASS BUYERS COULD AFFORD PRESERVATION AUSTIN VIEWS. THIS PROJECT IS NOT ONLY A NATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT STUDY, BUT ALSO AN INTERNATIONALLY RENOWNED EXPERIMENT IN BUILDING INNOVATION AND SOCIAL SCIENCE. THE RESIDENCE IS DEFINITELY THE MOST MODERN IN DESIGN OF THE AC VILLAGE HOUSES, CLOSEST TO THE INTERNATIONAL STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE WITH A NEARLY FLAT ROOF AND A VERY SIMPLE CLEAN EXECUTION. OTHER ELEMENTS OF MID-CENTURY DESIGN INCLUDE SITE-SPECIFIC PASSIVE COOLING STRATEGIES, CLERESTORY WINDOWS EXPOSED, ROOF BEAMS, AND AN ACER ASYMMETRICAL PANELS, FACADE, AND DISTINCTIVE PATTERN BRICK SCREENING WALLS. THE HOUSE IS AN EARLY OUTSTANDINGS EXAMPLE BY ARCHITECT, FRED DE WHO MADE IT A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION TO AUSTIN. ACCORDING TO PRESERVATION AUSTIN, HIS INVOLVEMENT IN HIS HO HIGH PROFILE AND MUCH CELEBRATED PROJECT WAS AN EARLY VICTORY IN HIS 40 YEAR CAREER. HIS CONTRIBUTIONS INCLUDED THE AWARD-WINNING FAULTS CENTRAL LIBRARY, THE TEACHER'S RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF TEXAS BUILDING PRO BONO MASTER PLAN AND DRAWINGS FOR LAGUNA GLORIA NOTABLE BUILDINGS. HE DESIGNED OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN INCLUDED THE VISITORS CENTER AT THE MCDONALD OBSERVATORY AND FINE ART CENTER AT BAYLOR. HE WON MULTIPLE DESIGN AWARDS FROM THE LOCAL AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS AND THE TEXAS SOCIETY OF ARCHITECTS. THIS HOUSE CALLED THE AIR TEMP WHERE IT'S CHRYSLER AIR TEMP AC SYSTEM IS REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTIRE AC VILLAGE EXPERIMENT IN SEVERAL WAYS, ALL THE HOUSES, INCLUDING THIS ONE, EXEMPLIFY TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION IN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION WITH CUTTING-EDGE CLIMATE CONTROL TECHNOLOGIES. THEY SHARED SEVERAL HEAT, REDUCING STRATEGIES AS WELL, SUCH AS LIGHT PAINT, LIGHT ROOFING, GENEROUS OVERHANGS, AND INSTALLATION, ALL THE HOMES FOR STEADY FOR THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS BY UT PSYCHOLOGY DEPARTMENT, BUT SURVEYED THE INHABITANTS OF THE VILLAGE HOUSES AND ALSO AREA HOUSES WITH NO AIR CONDITIONING, COMPARING THE DAILY HABITS OF BOTH GROUPS. THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE. I'M WHAT WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE. UM, WELL, UM, I GUESS I WOULD SAY THE, UH, RESONANCE IS TRULY SPECIAL. FRED DAY PRODUCED A STRIKING MODERN RESIDENCE AS OPPOSED TO OTHER MORE CONVENTIONAL RANCH HOMES AND THE PROJECT THIS EARLY WORK OF FRED DAY EXHIBITING EXCELLENT PER PERIOD ARCHITECTURE SHOULD BE PRESERVED FOR OUR CENTRAL TEXAS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER. NEXT WE HAVE A MR. JOSEPH REYNOLDS AND MR. RENTALS. YES. UH, COMMISSIONERS I'M JOE REYNOLDS. I'M A MEMBER OF THE ALLENDALE ZONING COMMITTEE, BUT SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND I'M ADDRESSING AUTOMATE TO I SUPPORT FULL HISTORIC RECOGNITION AND DESIGNATION OF 25 0 2 PARK VIEW 25 0 2 PARK VIEW WAS ONE OF THE EXPERIMENTAL HOUSES USED TO DETERMINE HOW RESIDENCES COULD AND SHOULD BE AIR CONDITIONED. THE EXPERIMENT HAD SEVERAL OBJECTIVES. IT WAS TO TRY VARIOUS WAYS TO INSTALL AIR CONDITIONING, HOW TO CONFIGURE WINDOWS AND ROOFS, WHICH INSTALLATION WORK TO DETERMINE WHAT LIFE EFFECTS THIS WOULD HAVE TO MEASURE. THE ELECTRICITY USED TO COOL. THE HOUSES AC WAS A CHANGE THAT RESULTED IN HOUSING, BOOMS AND HOT CLIMATE. THE PROJECT HAD NATIONWIDE IMPACT WITH ARCHITECTS AND IMPORTANTLY WITH EQUIPMENT DESIGNED AND MANUFACTURED. LET ME SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE. FIRST I HAVE EXPERIMENT EXPERIENCE WITH EXPERIMENTAL HOUSING THROUGH MY EMPLOYMENT AND EDUCATION. DURING THE MID 1960S, I WAS LEADING A SOFTWARE EVER TO TREYCORE TREKKER WAS AUSTIN'S FIRST TECHNOLOGY STAR. IN FIRST 90 FORTUNE 500 COMPANY, THE PROJECT WAS TO USE COMPUTER GRAPHICS TO SHOW WHAT A FUTURE HOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN INSIDE OR OUTSIDE. AT THE TIME WE HAD, TREYCORE HAD THE ONLY GRAPHICS DISPLAY CAPABLE OF DOING THAT WORK. I WAS TEACHING THE FIRST COMPUTER GRAPHICS COURSE AT THE UT COMPUTER SCIENCE DEPARTMENT. AND TREYCORE HAD PROFESSORS FROM UT ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL CONSULTING. IN MY WRITTEN SUBMISSION, I DISCUSSED HOW WE STARTED THE ICT PROJECT TO 3D PRINT EXPERIMENTAL SPACES USING ICE FOAM AND HOW WE WORKED WITH REACTIVE SPACES AS PEOPLE USE THEM. MY SECOND PERSPECTIVE IS THAT I'M OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE LIVED BEFORE AND AFTER AIR CONDITIONING. I WAS BORN DECEMBER, 1941. OUR MILKMAN IN DALLAS DROVE A HORSE CART TO DELIVER. IN 1945. MOM HAD A SURVEIL BRAND GAS REFRIGERATOR, A LITTLE PILOT, FLAME, AND HEATED, A BUBBLE PUMP TO COMPRESS THE REFRIGERANT TO COOL THE HOUSE BEST AT NIGHT, THERE WAS A BIG FAN IN THE CEILING OF THE HALLWAY THAT SUCKED AIR IN THROUGH THE WINDOWS AND BLEW IT OUT THROUGH THE ROOF. THE ONLY COOL BUILDINGS WERE DEPARTMENT STORES AND MOVIE THEATERS, [01:50:01] SOME STILL BLUE ICE AIR ACROSS BLOCKS OF ICE TO COOL IT, THE STORES AND THEATERS LIKE THE MAJESTIC AND PALACE IN DALLAS HAD AMMONIA, REFRIGERANT, AND WATER COWERS TO COOL IT FOR CONDENSING BACK TO LIQUID. WHAT WORKED FOR NEIMAN MARCUS AND SANGER BROTHERS WOULD NOT WORK FOR HOUSES. ALL THE HOW TO FOR DEMONSTRATE FOR DOMESTIC CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING WAS WORKED OUT IN THE DIFFERENT DESIGNS OF THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE. THE WORK CONFIRMED THAT THERE WOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL MARKET. SO TECHNOLOGY WAS INVENTED AND IMPROVED. FREON WAS THE CHOSEN REFRIGERANT. THE EXPERIMENTAL HOUSES WERE ONGOING TEST BEDS. FAMILIES LIVED THERE AND KEPT THEM. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO PRESERVE THE HOUSES, THEIR PURPOSE, AND THEIR PAST THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO PRESERVE. THEY ARE HISTORICAL. THESE HOUSES ARE ICONS OF A PAST TIME. THEY WERE LIKE CAMERAS FROM THE 1860S LIKE WORKING STEAM LOCOMOTIVES IN THE 1880S, LIKE PRESERVED 1905 AIRPLANES LIKE EDISON RECORDINGS, LIKE TRANSISTORIZED COMPUTERS IN THE LATE FIFTIES. NOW CAMERAS AND LOCOMOTIVES AND AIRPLANES AND RECORDINGS AND COMPUTERS CAN BE KEPT IN MUSEUM. THE VILLAGE IS ITS OWN MUSEUM. IF YOU PRESERVE IT, DO YOUR DUTIES, PROTECT THIS GROUP OF HOUSES, THAT DOCUMENT IT CHANGED THE SOUTH NEW SOUTH POSSIBLE AIR CONDITIONING AND HOW TO USE IT IN RESIDENCES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, HE HAS OUR LAST SPEAKER IS MS. KELLY. KELLY. HELLO? HI. UH, MY NAME IS KELLY SAAVEDRA AND I SUPPORT THE PRESERVATION OF THE PROPERTY AT 25 0 2 PARK VIEW DRIVE MY FAMILY AND I ACTUALLY LIVE IN WHAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS THE TWIN HOUSE AT, UH, OF 25 0 2, UH, LOCATED AT 27, 10 PARK VIEW. THESE TWO HOUSES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME PLANT AND AGE THEY DO HAVE, BUT THEY DO HAVE UNIQUE QUALITIES THAT ARE THERE ALONE. ONE OF THESE DIFFERENCES IS THAT THE HOUSE AT 25 0 2 WAS DESIGNATED AS PART OF THE HISTORIC AIR CONDITIONER VILLAGE. WHEREAS OUR HOUSE SADLY IS NOT. WE HAVE THE SAME FLOOR PLAN WHERE FOOTAGE AND MID-CENTURY DESIGN, BUT NOT THE ABILITY TO CLAIM OURS AS PART OF THIS HISTORIC GROUP OF HOUSES. WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2005. AND AFTER MOVING INTO THIS HOUSE AND RAISED TWO CHILDREN NOW 14 AND 10 YEARS OLD, WE FELL IN LOVE WITH THIS HOUSE. THE MOMENT WE SAW IT BECAUSE THE ARCHITECTURE HAS SUCH A UNIQUE AND BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. THE HOUSE NEEDED A LOT OF WORK, BUT WE WERE WILLING TO PUT IN THE MONEY AND THE TIME TO KEEP THE BONES OF THIS HOUSE IN PAST, EVEN BEFORE WE WILL ABLE TO REMODEL ALMOST EVERY PERSON WHO VISITED OUR HOUSE AND HOW MARVELOUS IT WAS FROM THE MAGNIFICENT NATURAL LIGHT, DEANS BY ALL THE WINDOWS TO THE OPEN LAYOUT. IT WAS SO TREASURED IN MID-CENTURY MODERN HOUSES, EVENTUALLY THROUGH A MUTUAL ACQUAINTANCE, A COUPLE CAME OVER, WHO ARE ARCHITECTS SPECIALIZING IN MID-CENTURY PRESERVATION AND DESIGN. THEY TOLD US THAT THEY BELIEVED OUR HOUSE TO BE ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES OF A TRUE MID-CENTURY MODERN HOUSE THAT THEY HAD EVER SEEN IN AUSTIN. THEY TOLD US TO CALL THEM FIRST. AND IF WE EVER DECIDED TO DO ANYTHING TO THE HOUSE, YEARS LATER, WE DID JUST THAT. AND THEY WERE ABLE TO COME HELP US UPDATE THE HOUSE WHILE KEEPING IT THROUGH TO ITS MID-CENTURY DESIGN. NOW WE LOVE THIS HOUSE EVEN MORE. IT IS STILL THE SAME HOUSE, BUT WITH NEW WINDOWS SIDING AN HVAC SYSTEM TO MAKE IT ENERGY EFFICIENT, THE CLEAN LINES THAT ALREADY EXISTED IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN ARE ACCENTED BEAUTIFULLY WITH OUR UPDATED KITCHEN AND THE OPENNESS THROUGHOUT THE HOME. AND IT DOESN'T ADD ONTO THIS HOUSE OR KNOCK ANY DOWN WALLS DOWN. WE JUST LET THE BEAUTY OF THIS HOUSE SHINE THROUGH. I TELL YOU ALL THIS, BECAUSE IF THESE THINGS ARE TRUE OF OUR HOUSE, THEY CAN BE TRUE OF 25 0 2 PERCU YOU AS WELL. WE HAPPILY RAISED A FAMILY HERE. WE LOVE HAVING PEOPLE OVER TO SEE OUR BEAUTIFUL AND UNIQUE HOUSE AND 25 0 2 PARTS. YOU SHOULD BE PRESERVED EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE IT WAS PARTS OF THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A DISGRACE TO TEAR DOWN THIS WONDERFUL PIECE OF HISTORY WE BOUGHT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE HE LOVED HIS CHARACTER AND CHARM. THIS HOUSE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD STARTED. I'VE SEEN IT ARGUED THAT A HOUSE, THIS SIZE ISN'T SUITABLE FOR FAMILIES ANYMORE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WE ARE LIVING PROOF. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. SOME PEOPLE DO STILL LIKE TO HAVE A YARD FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO RUN. AND WE HAVE NEVER FOUND OUR HOUSE TO BE TOO SMALL FOR OUR NEEDS AS A FAMILY OF FOUR, EVEN WITH OUR CHILDREN ENTERING THEIR TEENAGE YEARS, TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, YOU ALREADY KNOW FOR A DATA HOUSES ARCHITECT HAD SUCH A WONDERFUL CAREER AND PORTFOLIO HERE IN AUSTIN AND AROUND TEXAS, SURELY THIS HOUSE IS WORTH PRESERVING JUST FOR THAT ALONE. PLEASE SERVE THIS PIECE OF ALLENDALE HISTORY. THERE AREN'T VERY MANY OF THESE LEFT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT CHAIR TO REBUT? YES. I WOULD USE THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE RENDERINGS THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT. [01:55:04] YES. UH, YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, ARE THE RENDERINGS UP FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO SEE? OKAY, SO, UM, W WHAT I WAS BASICALLY HOPING TO ADDRESS IS THAT THE IDEA THAT, UM, THIS IS ALL DONE BY, YOU KNOW, EVIL, EVIL DEVELOPER, BUT, UM, WHEN WE, UH, RECEIVED THE DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR 25 OF FIVE PARK VIEW, UM, THE HOUSE THAT YOU SEE IN THE RENDERINGS IS, UM, WHAT WE PROPOSE TO CREATE. IT IS A ONE STORY MID CENTURY STYLE HOUSE, UM, TO COMPLIMENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS AESTHETIC. UM, BUT IT WILL HAVE MODERN AMENITIES AND LASTS FOR MORE THAN 70 YEARS. UH, AND IT WILL HAVE SOLAR POWERED, UH, AND IN, IN JUST BE A COMPLIMENT TO THE ORIGINAL ESSENCE OF AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE, BUT IT'LL ACTUALLY BE HABITABLE, UM, BY SOMEBODY. AND THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE WILL GO WITH, UH, TWENTY-FIVE HUNDRED TO PARKVIEW WHEN GRANTED THE PERMISSION TO OPERATE ON, UH, OUR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY. UH, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ASK, UM, AND GOING CAREFUL WITH CONSIDERATIONS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INVESTMENT DRIVEN HOME THAT WE, THE CITIZENS OF OUR, UH, IMMEDIATE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I'VE GOT 12 SIGNATURES OF ALL THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE, HOME OWNERS WHO ARE, ARE AGAINST THE HISTORIC DONATING ABOUT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL. AND, UM, THEY SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION OF THE 25 0 2 PARTIES. SO I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AN INTERNET CAMPAIGN OR TO LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS, UM, ON THE STREET WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THEIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE HOUSES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, GOING ON TO THE NEXT [3.B.8. HR-2021-114079 – 3909 Avenue G – Consent Flanagan-Heierman House Council District 9 (Part 1 of 2)] CASE WE HAVE 39 0 9 AVENUE, G B EIGHT. YES. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. I MISS HANLEY CALLAHAN. HELLO. HI. UH, GO AHEAD AND, AND, UM, MAKE YOUR CASE. OKAY. HI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UM, ESPECIALLY AFTER MY MISUNDERSTANDING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY AT 39 0 9 AVENUE G. UM, MY REQUEST IS TO REPLACE THE CURRENT ARCHITECTURAL GRADE ASPHALT SHINGLES THAT WERE RECENTLY DAMAGED AND A HAIL STORM WITH A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE DUE TO THE COOLING AND REFLECTIVE PROPERTIES OF METAL ROOFS, AS WELL AS THE VERY LONG LIFESPAN AND RECYCLABILITY. IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS ON THE GARAGE ROOF, AS WELL AS THE BACK PORTIONS OF THE MAIN HOUSE ROOF. WE WANT TO BE DISCREET AS POSSIBLE, BUT CAN NOT GUARANTEE THAT THE PANELS WILL BE FULLY HIDDEN FROM THE STREET. IT IS IMPORTANT TO US TO STEWARD THIS BEAUTIFULLY PRESERVED HOUSE THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY IN AN ECOLOGICALLY SOUND WAY. AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, UM, HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I JUST LIKED THE COMMISSIONERS TO KNOW THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK PROPERTY. UM, THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION. ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS CASE? YES, WE HAVE A MR. MARK FISHERMEN. OKAY. MR. FISHERMEN, GO AHEAD. UM, HERE, UM, UM, WHERE DID THE COMMISSIONERS, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION? UH, OKAY. I AM IN FAVOR OF THE CALLAHAN REQUEST TO INSTALL THE SOLAR SYSTEM ON THEIR ROOF, AS WELL AS APPROVAL OF TO INSTALL A METAL ROOF. AND, UH, I SHOULD STATE THAT. UM, I'M A NEIGHBOR. UH, MY FAMILY, UH, HAS RESIDED AT 39 0 3 AND 39 0 5 AVENUE G FOR 30 YEARS NOW. AND, UM, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, RELATED TO THE, THE, UM, APPROVAL FOR A SOLAR SYSTEM, UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE, UM, UH, WELL, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY A NO BRAINER TO THE EXTENT THAT IT DOES NOT, UM, UM, THE TRACK FROM THE HISTORIC FEATURES OF THE, OF THE HOME. UM, AND, UH, I THINK HANLEY'S JUST MENTIONED, UH, WHAT, UM, HOW, HOW SHE WOULD, UH, UH, HOPEFULLY ACHIEVE THAT IN TERMS OF A METAL ROOF. UM, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD, UH, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, UH, DID NOT HAVE, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES THAT WE'VE [02:00:01] SEEN ON THE HOUSE, UH, TODAY. UH, THEY'RE DAMAGED FROM THE HELL STORM, I GUESS THEY, THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED, UM, SINCE THE ORIGINAL, UM, ROOF WAS, UM, CERTAINLY NOT OF ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT A METAL ROOF WOULD DETRACT IN ANY WAY, UM, FROM THE, UH, CURRENT SITUATION, IN FACT, UM, IT, UM, IT MIGHT, UM, IN, IN SOME WAYS, UM, UH, PROTECT THE BUILDING FOR MANY MORE YEARS, UH, ASSUMING, UH, THAT, UH, OUR WEATHER PATTERNS, GLOBAL WARMING AND ALL THAT IS JUST SO OUT OF HAND, UM, LET'S SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, BALANCING THE, THE BENEFITS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION WITH THE ENERGY CONSERVING UPDATES IS A CHALLENGE. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TRYING TO, UM, UH, MAINTAIN BOTH IS, UH, I THINK THE WORTHY GOAL HERE, UM, IN THE CASE OF THE, UH, HILDRETH FLANAGAN IRONMAN HOUSE, UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE CALLAHAN HAVE IN MIND TO DO ALL OF THE ABOVE, UH, MAINTAIN THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE AND, UM, TO, UH, PRESERVE IT, UM, BY UPDATING IT, UH, SO THAT IT WILL LAST INTO THE FUTURE BEYOND WHAT PERHAPS, UH, UM, WELL, UM, WHAT, NOT A METAL ROOF AND CERTAINLY THE ISSUE OF, UH, OF, UH, SOLAR POWER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PICTURE ITSELF. SO, UH, YES, I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THE KELLER HAS REQUESTS TO, UH, INSTALL THEIR SOLAR SYSTEM AS WELL AS A METAL ROOF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, WAS APPLE WHOLE SPEAKER? YES. MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. UH, [3.C.3. SB-2021-116094 – 1009 West Lynn St. – Discussion postponement West Line National Register District Council District 9 (Part 1 of 2)] NEXT UP IS C3 1,009 WESTLAND. WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THE CASE, MR. CHASE HEARD, OKAY. HEY EVERYONE, MY NAME IS CHASE HURT. AND I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF HOLLER BROTHERS REQUESTS, OR AT LEAST SIGNAGE AT 10 0 9. WHAT LINDSTROM OF THOSE? THESE DON'T KNOW US, HOW BROTHERS IS AN APPAREL COMPANY THAT WAS FOUNDED IN BASED HERE IN AUSTIN. WE PARTNERED WITH MANY OF THE CITY'S CULTURAL ENTITIES, KLR YOU AUSTIN CITY LIMITS FESTIVAL, AUSTIN FC, AND OTHERS. AND WE STRIVE TO SUPPORT AND REPRESENT OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY OF AUSTIN AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, OUR OFFICE AND BRAND HEADQUARTERS HAVE BEEN LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET AT 10, 10 WESTLAND. WE CONSIDER OURSELVES FORTUNATE. IT'S CALLED THIS VIBRANT HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD HOME, AND TO BE AN ACTIVE PART OF THE COMMUNITY HERE, I'M THE FOUNDER AND LEAD DESIGNER AT HALLETT BROTHERS. BUT MY BIGGEST CAREER WITHIN ARCHITECTURE, HAVING RECEIVED MY MASTERS FROM UT WITH THIS BACKGROUND, I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION ISSUES AT HAND. AND WHEN WE SET OUT TO DESIGN OUR SPINE, AS THE FIRST QUESTION WE ASKED OURSELVES, HOW CAN WE PRESERVE AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHARACTER OF OUR CLARKSVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD? WHILE WE WERE AWARE THAT OUR SIGN DOES NOT MEET ALL OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS AS WRITTEN, WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE STREET. RATHER IT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY ALIGNING WITH THE VISUAL AESTHETICS OF THE EXISTING SIGNAGE AND ARCHITECTURE. UH, JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF POINTS. UH, THE COMMISSION BROUGHT UP ONE IS SIGHT AND LIGHTING. THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF THE SIGN THAT IS AN INTERNALLY LIT MARCHESA SIGN. THIS DESIGN ELEMENTS INSPIRED BY CLASSIC SIGNAGE IN AUSTIN AS INTENDED TO FIT IN WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CREATE A SENSE OF WELCOMING AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. UM, I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS THE ONLY OUTSTANDING CONCERN OF THE SIGN WERE AMENABLE TO EMITTING THE INTERNAL LIGHTING OPPONENT AND JUST USING THE MARQUEZ. THE DAYTIME SIGNAGE ONLY, UH, REGARDING THE NEON ON THE SIGN. WE ARE PROPOSING SMALL AMOUNT OF NEON ON THIS SIGN, FUN SHAPE, AND DESIGN WAS INSPIRED BY MID CENTURY. NEON SIGNS FOUND THROUGHOUT AUSTIN AND CLARKSVILLE, ALTHOUGH EXPOSED NEON LIGHTING DISCOURAGED IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF LONGSTANDING NEON SIGNS ON THE STREET. NOW, INFIELD DRUGSTORE, AND ANTHONY'S DRY CLEANING ARE THE MOST NOTEWORTHY EXAMPLES, A FEW DOORS DOWN, AS WELL AS JOSEPHINE HOUSE JEFFERIES AND TALK THE FLATS ACROSS THE STREET. OUR AGENDA IS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CLASSIC AESTHETIC OF THE CLARKSON NEIGHBORHOOD AND TASTES AND NON-INTRUSIVE MANNER. WE'RE WORKING WITH ION ART TO DESIGN AND MANUFACTURE THIS SIGN. THEY'RE TRUSTED A LOCAL SIGN COMPANY WITH 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE CREATING ICONIC SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE LOOKED AT TONS OF VINTAGE NEON SIGNS FOR REFERENCE DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS. AND WE MADE THE DECISION TO REUSE THE EXISTING POLES AND NOT [02:05:01] INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE PREVIOUS L INTERIOR SIGNAGE. ULTIMATELY, WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THESE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR SIGNAGE ARE IN PLACE, BUT WE ARE RESPECTIVELY RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU MAKE AN EXCEPTION IN THIS CASE, SINCE WE BELIEVE THE OVERALL DESIGN OF OUR SIGN IS RESPECTFUL OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND SIGNAGE. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY GUYS, AND REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU APPRECIATE, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING FOR THE CITY. TOUGH JOB. IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER? NO, THERE IS NOT JUST THE ONLY, THE ONLY SPEAKER ON THIS. OKAY. MOVING ON, UM, 37 0 4 MEADOWBROOK MEADOWBANK I'M SORRY. 3,703 MEADOWBANK. UM, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. OKAY. [3.D.5. PR-2021-103869 – 4315 Avenue A – Offered for consent approval Council District 9 (Part 1 of 2)] HOW ABOUT D 5 43, 15 AVENUE SCENE? WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER NATHAN HOBBS. OH YEAH. HI GUYS. THIS IS NATHAN HOBBS. AND I WAS JUST, UH, SPEAKING, UM, AFTER THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, I BELIEVE THIS A LOT IS OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORICAL ZONING, UM, AND THE NATIONAL HISTORICAL ZONING, BUT I HAVE TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, MADE THE FRONT VERY, UH, MODEST WITH THE FORT 16 OUT IN THE SECOND STORY BACK TO KIND OF FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FEEL OF ALL THE BUNGALOW HOUSES. UM, AND, UH, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU GUYS. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, BYE. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, SO THE APPLICANT IS ALSO THE DESIGNER, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. NO. SO MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS, UM, I GUESS, IS THERE ANY PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S GOING ON AT ALL? I GUESS I DON'T SEE IT IN THE, IN THE PLANS, THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, HAS, UH, UH, A ROOF THAT IS FROM THE NINETIES AND THEN THE SIDING WAS DEFINITELY A REMODEL AS WELL. SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO PRESERVE. SO YOU, SO YOU AREN'T PRESERVING IT, YOU'RE DEMOLISHING IT AND BUILDING A NEW BUILDING. WELL, THAT'S YOUR PROPOSAL? WELL, I'M GOING TO USE, UH, SOME OF THE WALLS AND THE PORCH. UH, BUT YEAH, IT'S, MOST OF IT WILL BE A REMODEL OF THE EXISTING, BUT NOT KEEPING, UM, A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS UNABLE TO KEEP FROM THE OF IF YOU GUYS, YEAH, EIGHT YEAR PLAN, IT WASN'T APPARENT THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS BEING REUSED. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT BE USING SOME STRUCTURE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT INTEGRATING ANY OF THE PROPORTIONS OR THE ACTUAL MATERIALS, UH, EXTERIOR, UH, ELEMENTS THAT THERE THAT'S NOT PART OF YOUR DESIGN? UH, NO, JUST CAUSE THERE'S A BIT OF A MISS MATCH OF THE SIDING ALL AROUND THE HOUSE. AND SO I I'M REALLY NOT SURE I WOULD BE ABLE TO MATCH ANY OF THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WE CAN GO BACK AND TAKE EFFORT CASES, RIGHT BACK AT AWAN. MADAM CHAIR, HAVE WE SKIPPED OVER A 3 7400 LB, UM, SHARON LEE, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A CONSENT ITEM WE CAN GET HANDLED. IS THAT THE CONE HOUSE? B3 3,400 HILLVIEW ROAD WAS PASSED ON CONSENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. IT WAS ON OUR KIDS AND AGENDA. OKAY. RIGHT. MY NOTES WERE WRONG. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. UM, [3.A.1. PR-2021-084005 – Rev. John and Mattie Barclay House 3009 Bowman Ave. – Discussion Council District 10] REVEREND JOHN AND MADDIE BARKLEY HOUSE 3009 BOWMAN AVENUE. UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION REVIEWED AND INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING ON THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE. I HAVE LISTENED TO THE PRESENTATION STEEPING, UH, AND, UH, BY RECOMMENDATION OR, UH, HISTORIC ZONING ON THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE STILL STANDS SINCE, UH, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1941, COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE. AND YES, IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED, BUT THE MODIFICATION PRINCIPLE, YOU WERE ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. SO REMOVING THE POSITION THE SOUND WOULD RESOLVE AND THE ARTICULATION THAT THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE. SO IT SATISFIES AND STAFF TIME, THE, UH, CRITERIA FOR ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. IT'S THE NEXT ONE EXAMPLE OF COLONIAL REVIVAL, A ONE STORY, THE PRINCIPAL OWNER, REVEREND JOHN BARKLEY WAS FROM NORTH CAROLINA. [02:10:01] AND THIS IS A FOUND THAT IS VERY PREVALENT THERE. UH, IF YOU CAN'T HELP, BUT THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT HE WAS USED TO AND, UH, BUILT THE SOUTH REMINISCENT UP ITS HERITAGE IN NORTH CAROLINA. JOHN BARKLEY WAS THE PASTOR OF CENTRAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH. WHY DO WE STREAM FOR MEETINGS YEARS? HE MARRIED IN 1941 HERE THAT IF YOU SERVE AS BASTARD CENTRAL CHRISTIAN, AND SO 1969, WELL PASTORED SOCIAL CHRISTIAN. HE WAS A VERY INFLUENTIAL AND PROMINENT MEMBER OF THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY AND ASKED HIM HE WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE AUSTIN COUNCIL OF CHURCHES. AND THEY HAD, UH, COVERED ALREADY. HE WAS, HE SWORE IN WITH THE JOHNSON AFTER THE ASSASSINATION OF JOHN F. KENNEDY. SO, UH, THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT MAN RELIGIOUS LEADER. THE HOUSE CAN BE, UH, RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL APPEARANCE. UH, THE COLLEGE, THE MODIFICATIONS, THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME ARE THE COLUMNS. UH, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT, UH, COLUMN REPLACEMENT MOOD COLUMN REPLACEMENT IS VERY COMMON AND IT'S NOT SCOTT DESIGNATION TO FAST. SO THAT'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING, ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE, UH, AND THEN TO WANT THE DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR BEING EFFICIENT IN THE POOL TO THE SOUTH, UH, AND RESTORING THE HOUSE TO ITS ORIGINAL APPEARANCE AND COMMEMORATE THE LIFE AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF BERBERINE BARKLEY TO THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE CASE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UM, APPROVE, RECOMMEND DISTRICT ZONING FOR THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE, WHICH I THINK WAS OUTLINED, UM, BY THE APPLICANT I'LL OH MAN. I ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND VISITED THE PROPERTY AND WALKED AROUND IT WITH, UH, MR. WHALEN. AND, UM, YEAH, SO MY, MY IMPRESSION IS THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A FAIR AMOUNT OF CHANGE TO THAT PROPERTY, AT LEAST ON THE EXTERIOR. I DIDN'T GO INSIDE. UM, AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE FROM THE APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE, I CAN AGREE WITH THEM THAT THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HAVING TO KIND OF DIAL BACK IN TIME, UH, THE FACADE OF THAT BUILDING OR THAT, THAT HOME TO, UH, TO WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST, BUT THERE'S BEEN PRETTY, PRETTY EXTENSIVE CHANGES. UM, I THINK IT'S NOT JUST THE COLUMNS ON THAT FRONT PORCH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT FRONT PORCH, UH, ALL OF IT IS NOT WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY COMMISSIONER, WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE BEFORE WE CAN DISCUSS IT ON. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. UM, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A MOTION, I'LL INVITE YOU TO MAKE A MOTION? UM, I THINK THAT I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, THAT, UH, THIS IS NOT AN INAPPROPRIATE HOUSE FOR, FOR A HISTORIC ZONING. AND SO, UH, I'D BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN IT. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO, TO RESEND THAT OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE WORD IS AND LET THEM MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PLANS. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER LITTLE, IS THAT A SECOND? OKAY. YEAH. I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER RECORDER'S MOTION. I AGREE WITH STAFF THAT IF THE ADDITIONS, BUT THE ADDITIONS ARE REVERSIBLE AND IF THEY WERE REMOVED THAT THE HOUSE WOULD BE RECOGNIZABLE, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE THE WAY IT IS NOW, AND THE ADDITIONS ARE OVERWHELMING. THE CHANGES I THINK, HAVE REALLY COMPROMISED THE PROPERTY'S INTEGRITY. UM, I ALSO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE CONCEPT OF HISTORIC ZONING ON JUST PART OF THE HOUSE, NOT EVEN PART OF A PROPERTY, BUT PART OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING RE WE HAVE RELUCTANTLY DONE THAT ON A PROPERTY WHERE THE, THE HOUSE ITSELF OR THE BUILDING ITSELF WAS ZONED HISTORIC, AND WE LET PART OF THE PROPERTY GO, [02:15:01] BUT HAVING A HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON PART OF A HOUSE, UM, I THINK ALMOST THE, THE ADDITIONS ON THIS HOUSE, UH, WEIGHED THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. IT, IT APPEARS TO ME, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, FEATHERSTON. YEAH. I I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER LITTLE JUST SAID IT IN A WAY THAT, UM, IT WAS MORE CONCISE THAN HOW I CAN ACTICLATE RIGHT NOW, BUT I WAS FEELING WAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A SWISS CHEESE OF PRESERVATION AND THE ONLY OPTION TO GO FORWARD IS JUST SOME OTHER KIND OF SWISS CHEESE. IT JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING, MAKING IT EVEN BETTER BY, UM, BUT BY, BY MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. SO YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THE EMOTION AND COMMISSIONER LITTLE SORT OF EXPLAINING IT IN A BETTER WAY. SO I'LL SUPPORT. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER COOK. OKAY. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AS WELL, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE IT'S A POINT OF ORDER OR NOT, BUT, UM, THIS, SINCE THIS IS, UH, A HISTORIC ZONING CASE, I'M ASSUMING THAT IF WE VOTED TO NOT, TO NOT RECOMMEND THAT THE DEMO PERMIT IS ISSUED AUTOMATICALLY, AUTOMATICALLY SOME EARLY, AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR US TO AFFIRMATIVELY STATE THAT THE DEMOLITION PERMIT SHOULD BE REALLY RELEASED. AND IF NOT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE NOTE THAT A CITY OF BOSTON DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, IF THIS WERE TO BE RELEASED, UH, SHOULD BE INCLUDED. SO, YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE WE'VE BEEN AT THIS POINT TOO OFTEN IN OUR RECENT HISTORY. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHETHER THIS DEMOLITION SHOULD BE STATED IN ANY, IN ANY FORM AS PART OF THE MOTION. I, UM, I THINK THAT WE CAN, WE ARE ASKED FOR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING IF WE BELIEVE IT QUALIFIES AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK AND REPRESENTS THE ENTIRE PROPOSED HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, OH, I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING. UM, THE COMMAND DISTRICT ZONING FOR THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT WE CAN NOT RECOMMEND IT AND APPROVE THE RELEASE OF THE DEMOLITION PERMIT. UH, COMMISSIONER HINDSIGHT. I THINK THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO PROCEED WOULD BE TO ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON TO, UH, EITHER CLARIFY OR AMEND HIS MOTION TO INCLUDE THE REFERENCE TO, UM, FIRST OFF THE FIRST PART OF THE MOTION, WHICH, UH, HE MADE, WHICH WAS TO, UM, NOT GRANT THE HISTORIC STATUS, BUT THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE, AND TO RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT AS WAS ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR BY THE APPLICANT. AND IF HE AGREES TO THAT, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD TAKE EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT. WAS THAT YOUR INTENTION? COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON? WHY DID MAKE THE MOTION, BUT YES. OH, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER. SORRY ABOUT THAT. IT'S OKAY. BUT, BUT I I'M GOOD WITH THAT TOO. OKAY. IS THE SECONDARY WITH THAT FROM THE SECONDARY COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA? IT'S JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER COOK ALSO ASKED, WHAT'S THE DOME DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE BE ADDED TO THE MOTION AS WELL. SO THE PERMIT IS RELEASED AND THE DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE IS CREATED FOR THE PARTY AND TO YOU COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER. I THINK WE NEED TO ADD THE DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE WITH COMMISSIONER LITTLE. OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS TO, UM, RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT UPON COMPLETION OF DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. THAT WOULD INCLUDE EIGHT BY 10 PHOTOS OF ALL FACADES AND A NARRATIVE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE FOR ARCHIVING AT THE, UM, AUSTIN HISTORIC AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER. UM, WE HAVE THAT IF I'VE RESTATED THAT MOTION PROPERLY, THEN THAT'S, WHAT'S ON THE TABLE. I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING THAT THE IDEA OF WOULD THE REVEREND BARCLAY RECOGNIZE THIS HOUSE. UM, IF YOU WERE TO COME BACK AT THIS POINT THAT HAS BEEN USED AS, UM, AS SORT OF THE BAR FOR, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER PROPERTIES FOR, FOR CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS AND IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, IT IS NOT, UM, IT'S NOT JUST, UH, KIND OF, UH, A FLIPPANT IDEA WOULD THE PERSON WHO LIVED THERE WITH WHOM THEY HISTORIC ASSOCIATION IS BEING MADE, RECOGNIZE THIS AS, AS THAT HOUSE, UM, [02:20:01] THAT HE OR SHE LIVED IN. UH, THE OTHER CRITERIA WAS AS HISTORIAN AMY DAYS SAID WHEN SHE LIVED THERE. UM, AND I THINK THIS DOESN'T MEET THAT AS WELL. SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION YES. COMMISSIONER MINDSET. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MOST OF THE STUDENTS, YOU HAD ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT HISTORIC INTEGRITY ON THE, UM, YELLOW JACKET STADIUM THAT I THINK IN THIS INDICATION, PARTICULARLY MINDFUL OF AN OWNER'S OBJECTION AND THE STATE, UH, IN ITS WISDOM HAS RAISED THAT BAR AND HAS REQUIRED US TO MAKE A VERY GOOD CASE TO THE POWERS THAT BE, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A CASE OVER AN OWNER'S OBJECTION. SO I THINK THAT, UH, THE FACT THAT THE OWNER IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, WHICH IS ALWAYS DISAPPOINTING, BUT, UM, THAT THERE IS SUCH A QUESTION OF THAT, OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, TH THIS ISN'T ONE THAT WE SHOULD TAKE TO THE MAP. I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. AND I, AND I WOULD ALSO JUST SAY IN THE CASE OF THE YELLOW JACKET STADIUM, THAT'S A NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION AND IN THEIR WISDOM AND WISDOM OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET ONE CRITERIA AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ARCHITECTURE. IT CAN BE A STRONG HISTORIC ASSOCIATION. SO INTEGRITY IS NOT, UM, AS GREAT A, UH, A BAR FOR A NATIONAL REGISTER LISTING. IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE CLARIFICATION, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT WAS A VERY INTRIGUING ARGUMENT THAT WAS MADE THAT IN SOME CASES, THE, THE VERY DEGRADATION OF THAT INTEGRITY IS PART OF THE STORY, CERTAINLY IN THIS SITUATION AND IN THIS INSTANCE THAT, UH, WOULD NOT APPLY AT ALL. I, I AGREE. UM, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER, UH, IS IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, SHALL WE TAKE A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU CONDITION. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE HAVE, NOW [3.A.2. PR-2021-064188 – Chrysler Air-Temp House in the Air-Conditioned Village – 2502 Park View Dr. – Discussion Council District 7] WE HAVE, UH, 25 0 2 PARK VIEW DRIVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO HISTORIC ZONING. IF THE COMMISSION BELIEVES THAT IT QUALIFIES AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK AND REPRESENTS, UH, THE ENTIRE PROPOSED HISTORIC DISTRICT. YES, COMMISSIONER IS, THIS IS, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT CASE, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A PROPOSED AND BROUGHT UP A NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, BUT THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT IS UNDER ATTACK. THE TWO HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET HAS PLAYED FOR DEMOLITION. THERE'VE BEEN A NUMBER OF HOUSES WITHIN THE POTENTIAL DISTRICT THAT HAVE BEEN MODIFIED, AND THIS HOUSE REPRESENTS, UH, ARTICULATION OF THE ORIGINAL IDEA. I DON'T THINK I CAN STATE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE AIR CONDITION VILLAGE BETTER THAN THE SPEAKERS CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF HISTORIC ZONING TO THE SOUTH. THE THOUSANDS VERY WELL PRISONER ATTACKED THE AIR CONDITIONED BILL TOWARDS A MONUMENTAL EXPERIMENT THAT SET THE COURSE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUNDOWN. UH, IT WAS AFTER WORLD WAR TWO, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND THIS IN THE SOUTHWEST, BUT THE CLIMATE HERE WAS NOT CONDUCIVE TO MIDDLE-CLASS AND WORKER HOUSING. SO THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE WAS THE FIRST, UH, MANY EXPERIMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, UH, AND SET THE STAGE FOR CONSTRUCTING HOUSES AND EVALUATING THE EFFECT, UH, EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF INSTALLING CENTRAL AND CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING IN HOUSES THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILY. THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS EXPERIMENT, I CANNOT BE OVERSTATED THIS, UH, THIS WAS VERY IMPORTANT. UH, THE DIFFICULTY IN THIS CASES IS THIS HOUSE. THE ONE, UH, AND STAFF BELIEVES THAT IT IS, IT IS, UH, THE BEST PRESERVED WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE PROPOSED DISTRICT. UH, IT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF MID-CENTURY MODERN, BUT ONE OF THE TENANTS OF MID-CENTURY MODERN ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN WAS USING TECHNICAL INNOVATION. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE BOUNCE REPRESENTS. THIS WAS INSTALLING AIR CONDITIONING TO DETERMINE HOW WELL, UH, IT WOULD WORK, UM, IN MIDDLE-CLASS HOUSING. SO, UH, THE STAFF BELIEVES THIS IS THE PRIME EXAMPLE FOR PRESERVATION [02:25:01] WITHIN THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE, DESIGNATING THIS HOUSE AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK WILL HELP MANAGE CHANGE FOR THIS HOUSE. UH, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ANY CHANGES TO THE HOUSE. SO THE ARTICULATION OF THIS HOUSE WILL REMAIN AS PRISTINE AND THE COMMISSION ALLOWS, UH, WITHOUT THIS AGENTS, WITHOUT LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR THE SOUTH, UH, IT IS AN ADVISORY REVIEW OF ANY CHANGES, BUT STAFF BELIEVE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO PROTECT THIS HOUSE THAT IS SUBJECT TO DEMOLITION. UH, THE, THE BIGGEST QUESTION HERE IS MANAGING CHANGE AND ALLOWING FOR A VIOLIN FOR CHANGE, BUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT CHANGE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THIS VERY NOBLE EXPERIMENT AND, UH, RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE AND DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE SUCH AS 25 0 2 PARKING PARK VIEW CHANGES ALL OF THAT. UH, SO SCOTT BELIEVES THIS IS A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. IT SATISFIED THE COMMUNITY VALUE CRITERIA OR REPRESENTATION, UH, THE, UH, GOALS OF THE EXPERIMENT IN THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE, AND IT HAS ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OR ITS EXPRESSION OF MID-CENTURY MODERN IDEALS AND ITS ASSOCIATION WITH PROMINENT ARCHITECT PRESENT DAY. EXCUSE ME. UM, MR. SANDUSKY, COULD YOU, UH, BRIEFLY REMIND US OF WHAT TRANSPIRED WHEN THIS, UH, APPLICATION CAME TO US UNDER A PREVIOUS OWNER? SURE. UH, THIS, THIS HOUSE, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN UP FOR TOTAL DEMOLITION, THERE WAS AN EARLIER APPLICATION, UH, AND IT BE, UH, PRIOR APPLICANT AGREED TO, UH, REHABILITATE THE HOUSE. THERE ARE SOME, THERE WERE SOME, ESPECIALLY THIS ISSUES I BELIEVE, AND MATERIALS THAT ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE. AND THEN THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE PLANS FOR THE REHABILITATION OF THE HOUSE. THEY HAD AN ADDITION ON THE BACK THAT WOULD NOT COMPROMISE THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. UH, SO THAT FROM THE STREET, HIS HOUSE WERE PRESENT AS IT WAS BUILT. SO THAT PRIOR OWNER BED, FOR SOME REASON, DECIDED NOT TO GO THROUGH WITH THE REHABILITATION, SOLD THE HOUSE. AND NOW WE HAVE A NEW APPLICATION FOR TOTAL VENTILATION, BUT STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE DEPLOYMENT, THE ORIGINAL PLANS IT'S STILL BE IMPLEMENTED AND WE'D STILL HAVE, UH, WE'D HAVE, UH, UH, WHEN OUR CORE, THE GAS, WELL, IF MEMORY SERVES ME, RIGHT, UH, WE INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING ON THIS WHEN IT CAME TO US BEFORE. AND PART OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WE CAME TO WAS NOT TO PURSUE WAS TO NOT PURSUE DESIGNATION AT TIME. UM, IF, AS IF THE APPLICANT COULD MAKE THESE, UH, NON-INTRUSIVE CHANGES TO THE HOUSE. AND, UM, AND WE AGREED TO THAT AT THE TIME THAT DID NOT PRECLUDE, UM, GOING BACK, UM, TO SEEK DESIGNATION WITH ANY NEW OWNER. UM, I'M JUST STATING THIS FOR, FOR FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE RELATIVELY NEW TO THIS, THAT, THAT THIS HAD PREVIOUSLY COME BEFORE US AND, AND WAS, UM, AND WAS PROPOSED FOR HISTORIC ZONING. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS CASE? COMMISSIONER HIND, SETH? YEAH. I, I WILL MOVE APPROVAL, UH, OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, UH, AND MINDFUL THAT WE HAVE AN OWNER THAT IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, BUT I STILL HOLD HOPE, HOPE THAT, UH, THAT OWNER WILL BE PERSUADED. OTHERWISE, COMMISSIONER I'M SETH MADE THE MOTION COMMISSIONER LITTLE SECOND TO THAT, UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER SET. I, I THINK, UH, AND THIS IS WHY I HOLD OUT SOME HOPE. I THINK IT WAS, UH, BOTH VERY BEAUTIFUL AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT IRONIC THAT THE RENDERINGS THAT WE WERE SHOWN WERE FOR A SINGLE STORY MID-CENTURY MODERN HOUSE. UM, WHY AND HOW IS IT THAT WE IN OUR CURRENT DAY FIND THOSE HOUSES, WHICH ACTUALLY WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND IN EARLY DESIGN CLASSES, WE KIND [02:30:01] OF THOUGHT ALL THAT WAS OLD AND UGLY. UH, SO WE WERE ONLY INTERESTED IN VICTORIAN HOUSES WHEN IT CAME TO ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH PRESERVATION, GO FIGURE, HOW IS IT THAT THEY NOW HAVE INSPIRED A WHOLE GENERATION OF NEW DESIGNERS AND NEW OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE, THE FRESHNESS WITH NEW MATERIALS, THE EXPERIMENTATION THAT WAS GOING ON DURING THAT ERA? UH, I THINK THAT THAT MAKES THE CASE FOR WHY, WHEN YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE THAT IS SO SPECIAL IS STILL INTACT AND REPRESENTS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS MOMENT IN OUR DESIGN HISTORY SO MUCH SO THAT EVEN NOW ITS REPLACEMENT IS BEING INFLUENCED BY IT. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD GIVE ME PAUSE AS A DESIGNER THAT WORKS REGULARLY WITH EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT I HAVE TO STOP AND ASK, AM I COMPETING WITH THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECT FARM? IN FACT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT I CAN ENTER INTO A DIALOGUE A IS IN FACT, IN SOME WAYS IT'S A DIALOGUE THAT TAKES PLACE OVER TIME. THE CLOSEST THING I COME TO TO ACTUALLY HAVING COMMUNICATION OVER TIME IS TO REALLY GET INTO THE MINDSET OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGNER, PARTICULARLY ONE WHO HAD A LOT OF INTEGRITY AND SHOW THE SKILL AND THE X AND HOW THEY AT THEIR CRAFT. IF I PUT MYSELF AS A CURRENT DESIGNER IN THEIR SHOES, I FIND THAT I'M ACTUALLY ABLE TO HAVE A VERY MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S LONG GONE, BUT WHOSE GENIUS, WHOSE WHOSE EFFORT WHOSE, WHOSE, UH, CREATIVITY IS STILL PRESENT TODAY IN THE EVIDENCE OF THEIR WORK. I CAN ONLY HOPE WHEN I ADD TO THEIR WORK THAT A FUTURE, UH, ARCHITECT WILL ALSO HEAR MY VOICE AS IT IS IN DIALOGUE WITH THE PREVIOUS VOICE AND APPRECIATE WHAT A GOOD STEWARD I WAS IN PASSING THEM BOTH ON FORWARD. I WOULD HOPE THAT MESSAGE COULD BE DELIVERED TO THIS OWNER. CAN I SHARE A MINDSET BEFORE WE GO FURTHER? UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT YOUR MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING UNDER, UH, THE CRITERIA FOR ARCHITECTURE AND COMMUNITY VALUE BECAUSE THAT UNDERSTANDING AND COMMISSIONER LOCAL AND ARCHITECTURAL? YES. YES. OKAY. I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT VERY, UM, WELL, UH, OUTSTANDINGLY MEETS THE CRITERIA AS MANY OF, YOU KNOW, WHO'VE KNOWN ME FOR A WHILE. I'M NOT REALLY A MODERNIST. UM, I USED TO SAY BACK WHEN I WAS JUST A LITTLE PRESERVATION, IS THAT WHEN WE START NOMINATING RANCH HOUSES, I WAS GONNA, UH, TAKE UP ANOTHER, UH, HOBBY, BUT, UM, I'VE COME AROUND ON THIS. AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, MY MIND IS STILL IN THE BUNDLE ERA, BUT, UM, IT IS, IT IS, UH, COMPLETELY EVIDENT TO ME THAT THIS MEETS OUR CRITERIA AND THAT THIS IS, UM, NOT, NOT ONLY THE, THE BEST EXAMPLE IN THE AIR CONDITION VILLAGE, BUT MORE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES OF MID CENTURY, UH, ARCHITECTURE THAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, ON THIS CONDITION COMMISSIONER COOK, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF THE POTENTIAL NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT AND THIS BEING ONE OF SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES. I AGREE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS PRETTY UNIQUE. I'VE BEEN AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEEING THE ONES THAT EXIST AT THE POINT, THIS, THIS HAS A SYNERGY GOING ON FORWARD. THE, THE AMOUNT OF INTEGRITY HERE. I THINK THE PHOTO THAT WAS UP EARLIER, IT JUST REALLY SHOWS HOW REMARKABLY IT IS UNCHANGED OVER TIME AND AMONG ALL THE DESIGNS. I THINK IT IS THE MOST STAR STARKLY MODERN, UH, AND A COMBINATION OF THAT. MID-CENTURY MODERN CLARITY, THE CLARITY OF THE DESIGN, THE STRENGTH OF THE DESIGN COMBINED WITH THE FORWARD LOOKING IDEAS OF THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE MOVEMENT, JUST KIND OF ALL COMES TOGETHER TO, I THINK, MAKE THIS A REALLY UNIQUELY QUALIFIED AMONG ALL THE GOLDISH PROPERTIES FOR LANDMARKING. SO I HAVE NO HESITATIONS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON THE PLATE BEFORE, BUT BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE IT IS AMONG ALL THE PROPERTIES, UH, THE MOST UNIQUELY QUALIFIED AND NOT PART OF OUR DECISION OR OUR CHARGE HERE. BUT AS AN ASIDE, YOU KNOW, AS DISCUSSED, THE OWNERS SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED ABOUT THIS FOR, FOR FUTURE HEARINGS WHERE, UH, HARDSHIPS MAY BE CLAIMED. THIS IS A VERY PARTICULARLY, THE OWNERS SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED, UH, HAVING BEEN AWARE OF THE HISTORY OF THE PREVIOUS HEARINGS. AND AS AN ASIDE, ALSO, THIS, THIS SITE IS UNIQUELY SUITED FOR AN ADDITION TO THE REAR, UH, SENSITIVE ADDITION TO THE REAR THAT COULD COMPLIMENT THE MID CENTURY MODERN DESIGN AND, AND IN NO WAY HINDER FULL ENJOYMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. A LITTLE. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR SECOND? OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I THINK EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY [02:35:01] HAS PROBABLY BEEN SAID, IT FEELS A LITTLE LIKE GROUNDHOG DAY WITH THIS PROPERTY. I FEEL LIKE I'VE ALREADY SAID SO MUCH AND I CAN'T KEEP REPEATING IT, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S RARE THAT WE HAVE LETTERS FROM ALL OF THE MAJOR PRESERVATION GROUPS IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LETTER FROM PRESERVATION AUSTIN ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND THE LOCAL CHAPTER, THAT SOCIETY FOR THE DOCUMENTATION AND CONSERVATION OF THE MODERN MOVEMENT. SO I THINK, UM, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROPERTY, AND I DID WANT TO MENTION IT IN CASE THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LISTENER MEMBERS, RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LISTENING THAT, AS WE'VE SAID, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT SIGNIFICANT TO. AND IF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE INTERESTED IN PURSUING A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. AND THE FACT THAT THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION IS GOING THROUGH THAT DOCUMENTATION, A LOT OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PREPARED, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS REALLY THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. COMMISSIONER VILLAINS, WHITLEY, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. YES. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I WILL BE SUPPORTING, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION OF HISTORIC ZODIAC. I THINK THAT THIS NOT ONLY MEETS, BUT VERY WELL AND EXCEEDS OUR CRITERIA FOR, OR LANDMARK STATUS. AND JUST WANT TO SAY TO ALL OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THERE ARE NINE OF US HERE THIS EVENING. THERE, WE NEED A VOTE OF NINE TO PASS THIS HISTORIC ZONING OVER A OWNER OPPOSITION TO, OR IT TO MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, IF NOT, THEN IT WILL NOT. SO I WILL JUST MAKE A PLEA TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON. WELL, MAYBE I'M THE NINTH. I DON'T, I, I HONESTLY STILL DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS ONE. I HAD MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT IT FROM THE BEGINNING, AND I WAS VERY HAPPY THAT, UH, WE SORT OF CAME UP WITH A FREE MARKET SOLUTION. UM, INITIALLY THAT LED US SORT OF WASH OUR HANDS OF IT. AND WE GOING TO SORT OF GET WHAT WE WANTED WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS. UM, AND, UH, CHAIRPERSON MYERS SAID DURING THE DISCUSSION EARLY ON THAT, UH, THIS WAS, THIS WAS NOT ABOUT THE, BUT TO ME, YEAH, I, I PLEAD COMPLETE IGNORANCE ON WHAT IS THE DISTRICT HERE AND WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE ITS BOUNDS AND WHAT ARE ITS DEFINING FEATURES NECESSARILY? HOW MANY OF THESE HOUSES ARE, ARE IN IT? UH, BUT TO ME, THAT'S SORT OF LIKE THE CRITICAL PIECE THAT, UH, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS IS, UM, THE OCCUPANT OF 27, 10, UH, JUST DOWN THE STREET, UH, SAID THAT, UNFORTUNATELY SHE'S NOT PART OF THE DISTRICT. AND WE HAD, UM, MR. SADOWSKY AND COMMISSIONER HIVES THAT SAY THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAVE? AND, UM, WHEN YOU COME ACROSS ONE OF THESE, IT'S LIKE, WELL, 27, 10, I MEAN TO LOOK AT IT ON GOOGLE MAPS, IT IS THE ONE WHY LIKE WE SHOULD INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING ON IT. IT CLEARLY HAS AN OWNER THAT HAS OVER TIME REINVESTED IN IT AND APPEARS TO BE A BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE OF THIS HOUSE. THIS HOUSE IS TWINNED, EXCEPT FOR THAT POSSIBLY IT IS NOT WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, WHICH ARE WE CONSIDERING THE DISTRICT THIS EVENING OR NOT. AND SO IT SEEMS THAT THIS, THIS HOUSE IS CONTRIBUTION TO THIS DISTRICT IS THE TIPPING POINT TO ME. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DISTRICT WELL ENOUGH AT THIS POINT. WELL, ONE THING I THINK THE, THE OTHER BUILDING, THE, THE OWNER SAID, IT'S THE TWIN, BUT SHE ALSO, UM, DESCRIBE SOME OF THE ALTERATIONS THAT THEY HAD MADE TO IT. UM, AND, AND THIS HOUSE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT, DOESN'T HAVE ALTERATIONS LIKE THAT, UM, THAT IN, IN MATERIALS AND, UH, AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING, UM, THE FACT THAT THE OTHER HOUSES NOT IN THE DISTRICT IS PROBABLY BECAUSE IT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT AND IT'S SEPARATED IN, IN SPACE FROM A DISTRICT, HAS TO BE A COHESIVE GROUP OF LIKE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT, UM, THAT CONVEY A CERTAIN MEANING AND ARCHITECTURE, UH, UH, HISTORY. SO THE DISTRICT, UH, BOUNDARIES WHERE WE'RE DRAWN, UH, TO DESCRIBE A SMALLER GROUP THAT WAS MORE COHESIVE THAT HAD, UM, THAT HAD SUBSTANTIAL INTEGRITY AND HAD THE REQUISITE, UM, NUMBER OF CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES, COMMISSIONER BALANCE, LAYLA. YES. I ALSO BELIEVE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT INCLUDES THE 22 ORIGINAL DEMONSTRATION HOMES. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE OTHER ONE WAS AN ACTUAL DEMONSTRATION HOME OR, OR ANIMALS BUILT ON, ON THIS MODEL. SO THE ONES [02:40:01] WITHIN THAT GROUP ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE FIRST OF THEIR TYPE. YEAH. AND THEY PROBABLY USE THE DESIGN FROM, UM, FROM OF THE, THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TO BUILD THE OTHER HOUSE, THAT THIS IS THE PROTOTYPE FOR THAT HOUSE. OKAY. UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION. I THINK IN THE LAST CASE THAT WE HAD ARE THE, UH, THE FIRST CASE THAT WE HAD ON BOWMAN AVENUE, AS COMMISSIONER HANDSETS SAID, HE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO GO TO THE MAT WITH THIS. UM, I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT WE GO TO THE MAT WITH, UH, THAT CAME INTO THIS EVENING, UH, READY TO GET ALL WORKED UP AND FIGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESSES ON, UH, OVER THERE, OVER THERE ON WEST 12TH NEXT DAY SEC. AND THAT THAT'S THE BACKBONE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT MAKES AUSTIN AUSTIN? AND THEN HERE WE ARE, THE FIRST TWO ONES IS REALLY JUST SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT AUSTIN IS INFATUATED WITH? UM, WELL, THE ADDITION THEY COULD MAKE ON THE BACK COULD BE A DUPLEX AND A SECOND UNIT. OKAY. UM, I MEAN, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. I THINK THAT I'VE SAID WHAT I NEED TO SAY THAT I HOPE THAT PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERS EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SAID AND, UM, AND HOW THEY TAKE IT UP. UH, YEAH. ARE WE GOING TO GO TO THE MATTRESSES FOR HERE? WHAT WE DO WITH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION? I THINK THAT, UH, THE WAY THAT THE MOTION WAS MADE, I, I SUPPORT THOSE TWO REASONS. UM, BUT IT'S TOUGH. UH, YEAH, LET'S JUST REITERATE THAT THERE WAS A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE THAT WAS VIABLE TO THE PREVIOUS OWNER THAT DID NOT INVOLVE HISTORIC ZONING. AND SO LET'S, I CAN IMAGINE THAT THAT, THAT INFORMATION WASN'T CONVEYED TO THE NEW OWNER, UM, UH IT'S ANY, IN ANY CASE, LET'S CALL IT THE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING HISTORIC ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED IT'S UNANIMOUS. ALTHOUGH FEATHERSTON, HIS HAND WAS ABOUT HALFWAY UP. OKAY. MOVING [3.B.8. HR-2021-114079 – 3909 Avenue G – Consent Flanagan-Heierman House Council District 9 (Part 2 of 2)] ON TO, UH, THE 8 39 0 9 AVENUE G. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS ELIZABETH MET WITH CITY STAFF. UH, THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO REPLACE THE ROOF OF THE FLANAGAN HIREMAN HOUSE, WHICH IS A 1986 HISTORIC LANDMARK. UM, THE APPLICANT CAME TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING EARLIER THIS MONTH TO DISCUSS, UH, BOTH THE ROOFING AND INSTALLATION SOLAR PANELS ON THE HOUSE AND ON THE 1981 NON HISTORIC GARAGE THAT YOU SEE TO THE REAR HERE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, ORIGINALLY INVOLVED SOLAR ON ALL FACES OF THE ROOF. THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THAT PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THE SOLAR THAT WOULD BE STREET VISIBLE ON THE FRONT AND THE NORTH FACING ROOF SLOPE OF THE HOUSE. AND TO HAVE IT ONLY ON THE REAR, WHICH IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THE REASON THAT THIS IS UP FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR METAL ROOFING. UH, THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARD TO THAT THE, UH, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, UM, HAS ENDORSED ARE MORE FLEXIBLE ON THE TOPIC OF METAL ROOFING FOR HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAN, UH, FOR HISTORIC LANDMARKS. THE STANDARD FOR HISTORIC LANDMARKS IS THAT, UH, THE ROOFING MATERIAL SHOULD BE THE SAME OR COMPATIBLE WITH THE ROOF THAT WAS ON THE HOUSE. HISTORICALLY, IN THIS CASE, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL ROOFING MATERIAL IS, BUT IT LIKELY WAS A WOOD SHINGLE ROOF. THE, UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, BUILDING PERMIT SYSTEM AT THE CITY, UH, THE, THERE IS ONLY ONE INDICATION OF A PRIOR ROOF REPLACEMENT, UH, FOLLOWING THE PREVIOUS HAILSTORM. UH, SO THAT'S THE EXISTING ROOF. SO THERE IS NOT AN INDICATION THERE, OR, AND THE LANDMARK FILE, UH, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATELY FAIRLY THIN, UH, GIVEN THAT THIS IS A 1986 DESIGNATION. UM, BUT AT ANY RATE, THERE IS NOT ANY INDICATION THAT THIS HOUSE HISTORICALLY HAD A METAL ROOF. UH, SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION REMAINS TO, UM, APPROVE COMPOSITION SHINGLES, UH, TO DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST [02:45:01] FOR A METAL ROOF AND TO APPROVE THE PROPOSAL FOR SOLAR AS REVISED, WHERE IT'S ON THE REAR ROOF SLOPE OF GLAMOUR HOUSE ONLY, AND ON THE NON HISTORIC GARAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE? I THINK, UM, JUST BY WAY OF SOME BACKGROUND, WE DID DISCUSS THIS WITH THE OWNER AND DID DISCUSS, UH, THAT THIS HOUSE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A METAL ROOF TO BEGIN WITH. WE ALSO HAVE DENIED, UH, METAL ROOFS FOR OTHER LANDMARKS IN AUSTIN, UM, AT, AT THE, AT THIS COMMISSION, UH, THIS IS NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE APPROVED IN THE PAST. UM, THE HOUSE LIKELY AS THE STAFF SAID, UH, HAD WOOD SHINGLES, AND IT WAS OUR, UH, OUR VIEW IN THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT A NEW, UH, SHINGLED DRIFT COULD, UM, COULD BE PUT ON THAT HAD THAT ALLOWED FOR GREATER, UH, SHADOWING AND DIMENSION, UH, UH, THAT APPEARED MORE LIKE WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ROOF, A WOOD SHINGLED ROOF? UH, THE METAL ROOF DOES NOT, UM, DOES NOT CONVEY THAT, THAT SORT OF, UH, HISTORIC, UM, MATERIAL AND, AND, UM, DIMENSION. SO, UM, THE REASON WE HAD IT ON THE, UM, ON THE CON ON, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UM, WAS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT THE, THAT THE, THE OWNER UNDERSTOOD THAT AND WAS AMENABLE TO IT. UM, AND WE REALIZED THAT SHE STILL WANTED TO, UH, GO FORWARD WITH THE METAL ROOF MOON CHAIR. YES, I AM TORN ON THIS ONE, AND I KNOW YOU WANT A MOTION ON THE TABLE BEFORE WE GET GOING. SO, UM, I GUESS IN ORDER TO GET THE DISCUSSION GOING, UH, I, I THINK I'M GOING TO PUT A MOTION TOGETHER WHERE I WOULD APPROVE THE OWNER'S REQUEST FOR A METAL ROOF AND LET ME STATE IT IN THIS TERMS. FIRST OFF, I KNOW THAT HOUSE VERY WELL. UH, I'VE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 20 YEARS, UH, VERY FAMILIAR WITH ITS CONTEXT AND ITS IMPORTANCE ON THE CORNER. UM, BUT IT IS A VERY DOMINANT ELEMENT AND THE ROOF IS ALMOST INVISIBLE FROM THE STREET THAT IS NOT A MAJOR FEATURE OF THIS HOUSE. UM, THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I AGREE WITH YOU. IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A WOOD SHINGLE ROOF, BUT IT WAS NOT HAPPENING. THE QUESTION THAT IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A METAL ROOF THAT METAL ROOFS WERE, UH, USED AT THAT TIME. MOST LIKELY NOT FOR THAT TYPE OF HOUSE, BUT THEY, WEREN'T NOT IN A, NOT IN A SUBURBAN ADDITION. I, I, I DID NOT. PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THAT, OH YEAH, METAL ROOFS ARE HISTORIC, THEY'RE HISTORIC AND FARM OUTERS OUT IN THE COUNTRY. THEY WERE NOT, IT WAS NOT SOMETHING IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED A KIND OF LOWER CLASS OR RURAL, YOU KNOW, COUNTRY SORT OF THING TO PUT ON YOUR HOUSE. YEAH. BEFORE THE VERY HIGHEST LEVEL OF VICTORIAN HOUSES, WHICH WOULD HAVE HAD METAL EVEN, EVEN, UH, EVEN A LEAD ROOF. UH, I GREW UP IN A HOUSE THAT HAD A METAL ROOF BECAUSE IT WAS A FANTASTIC HOUSE AND VERY HIGH END FOR HOUSTON. SO YEAH, IT IS AT LEAST DEBATABLE. UH, I AGREE WITH YOU, THE PROPENSITY OF EVIDENCE WOULD SUGGEST OTHERWISE. UH, BUT AGAIN, IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A SOFT SPOT FOR MELROSE TO BEGIN WITH JUST AS A, AS A WONDERFUL MATERIAL. UH, BUT I, I THINK THAT IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT SO MUCH OF THIS HOUSE DOES, UH, AND, AND HAS BEEN WELL TAKEN CARE OF OVER MANY, MANY YEARS OVER SEVERAL OWNERS, UH, I GUESS I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD, WE COULD BE A GOOD, AND IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT THAT THEY WOULD LITERALLY TAKE IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA TO ASK US ONE MORE TIME TO CONSIDER A METAL ROOF, UH, FOR ALL THE ADVANTAGES THAT IT MIGHT HAVE. UH, NOW I'M AT LEAST INCLINED TO PUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND OFFER THAT AS A, AS A DISCUSSION ON, OKAY. UH, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? OKAY. COMMISSIONER FEATHERS, TEN SECOND CMR SECONDS. THE EMOTION, THAT'S A SONG FROM THE SIXTIES. UM, I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION. WE HAVE DENIED MENTAL RISK FOR, UH, AMAZING LANDMARKS AND JUDGES HILL AND DOWNTOWN AUSTIN, UH, UNDER THREAT OF LAWSUITS. AND, UM, IT'S, THIS IS A LANDMARK. WE, WE APPROVED METAL ROOFS FOR CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT [02:50:01] THIS IS AN ACTUAL DESIGNATED LANDMARK. YES. COMMISSIONER COOK. AND I BACK, I, I SHARE THE, THE AMBIVALENCE ABOUT IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SAVING, HAVING A LOWER LIFECYCLE, UH, ENERGY USE ROOF WITH MORE DURABILITY. I THINK THAT'S GREAT, BUT THAT'S NOT IN THE CITYWIDE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE DEVELOPED, UH, IN, IN THE INTEREST OF CONSISTENCY WITH ALL THE PREVIOUS CASES. I JUST DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO ALLOW IT. AND THIS ONE, NOT AND OTHERS DOING A GOOGLE EARTH, GOOGLE MAPS WALK THROUGH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ROOF IS FAIRLY VISIBLE. IT, IT ALWAYS KIND OF BOTHERED ME, BUT I UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONSISTENT APPEARANCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. IF YOU START ALLOWING THE ROOF, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A SACRIFICIAL ELEMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE YOU EVEN WANT TO DO IT, THEN YOU START GOING TO THE WINDOWS AND HE START GOING TO DOORS AND HE STARTED GOING TO THE SIDING. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST, UM, I, I, I HEAR YOUR PAIN. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT, THIS MOTION JUST IN THE INTEREST OF CONSISTENCY AND ADHERENCE TO OUR DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH WE'RE HERE TO, WE'RE HERE TO ENFORCE COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT QUESTION, UM, BEFORE YOU STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THE BRIEF HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO INTRODUCE THE OPPOSITE MOTION TO SUPPORT, UM, THE STAFF'S, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO NOT APPROVE IT. AND I THINK, UM, THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE IN THAT WE WROTE THIS INTO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. UM, THE DESIGN STANDARDS WERE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS. AND I REMEMBER REMEMBER THE DAY THAT WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, UM, DURING THAT PROCESS AND, AND SAID, YOU KNOW, NOTATED THAT THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN BUILDINGS IN A DISTRICT AND INDIVIDUAL LISTED LANDMARKS. UM, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THEY THEY'RE OFTEN TELLS, LEFT BEHIND, IF THE ROOF HAS BEEN REPLACED IN MULTIPLE TIMES, THERE MAY NOT BE MANY, BUT THERE ARE OFTEN TELLS ON A BUILDING. UM, SO THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND POKE AROUND AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN FIND, UM, TO SEE IF THEY CAN THEIR CASE. BUT I THINK WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE WRITTEN FOR DISCUSSION. SO WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION. I'M GUESSING THAT THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE, THE SOLAR PANELS THAT AS OUTLINED, UM, AND APPROVE THE METAL ROOF. THAT'S THE MOTION. OKAY. ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION ON THE TABLE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. COMMISSIONER HAIM, SOUTH COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON. I DON'T SEE. OH, YOU HAVE YOUR, THE LIGHT IS SHINING. I'M I'M LOOKING AT, I GUESS, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IT'S WENT TO THE, I, IT WAS OPPOSED EXCEPT FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON AND COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH, UH, THE MOTION FAILS. DO I HEAR AN ALTERNATE MOTION COMMISSIONER? RIGHT. UM, I MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, UH, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? SORRY. I'M BLANKING NOW. UM, DO WE NEED TO JUST APPROVE THE SOLAR PANELS AND HAVE THEM COME BACK WITH A ROOF OR SAY THEY, THEY BE APPROVED WITH A COMPOSITION SHINGLE AND THE SOLAR PANELS? WELL, I KNOW MY OPINION YOU'RE MAKING, BUT YOU'RE THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, I MEAN, I'M FINE TO APPROVE THE, UM, THE SOLAR PANELS. IT'S MORE, OR THAT THE COMPOSITION ROOF, IT'S MORE OF A, UM, NOW MY BRAIN HAS STOPPED WORKING FOR SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS MORE, IT'S MORE A PROCEDURAL ISSUE. NOT I'M SURE YOU WERE ON TRACK TO MAKE IT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. CAUSE THEY DO SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT THAT COMPOSITION SHINGLE IS THAT AS THEY ROOFING MATERIAL. OKAY. DO I HERE? DO I SEE HERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER COOK, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I, I, I DID HAVE THAT SAME QUESTION. THAT RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED. THE APPLICATION IS REVISED, BUT UP TOP, THE SPECIFICATIONS ARE STILL FOR THE COMPOSITION SHINGLES AND THE SOLAR ROOF PANELS AS THEY WERE, THEY WERE ALTERED FROM WHAT WE SAW. SO, UM, ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT CAME REQUESTING CONSIDERATION OF THE METAL, I THINK STILL THE OFFICIAL APPLICATION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. UH, AND AS I SECONDED, IT IS STILL FOR COMPOSITION, SHINGLES AND STAFF. IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT ON THAT TO CLARIFY, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, STAFF. YES. I HAD MISUNDERSTOOD THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, WASN'T STILL INTENDING TO MOVE FORWARD [02:55:01] WITH A METAL ROOF. SO THE STAFF REPORT IS AN ERROR. UM, BUT IF YOU ARE MAKING A MOTION TO, UM, TO GO ALONG WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT I GAVE VERBALLY, IT WOULD BE TO DENY THE METAL ROOF. UM, I DON'T THINK THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO SPECIFICALLY APPROVE A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF THAT IS SOMETHING STAFF COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE AS A REPLACEMENT IN PINE. UM, BUT IT, WE DO NEED TO APPROVE THE REVISED SOLAR PANEL DESIGN AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT MOTION WOULD SUFFICE. THANK YOU. SO THEN I, I MOVED THAT WE DENY THE REQUEST FOR A METAL ROOF AND APPROVE THE INSTALLATION OF SOLAR PANELS. OKAY. UM, AND THE SECONDARY WAS THAT YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER COOK, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YES. WITH THE CLARIFICATION THAT THE SOLAR PANELS SHOWN IN MORE REVISED FROM WHAT WE SAW IN THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, RIGHT ON THE GARAGE AND THE REAR FACING SLOPE ONLY, I THINK THAT'S, UH, YEAH, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? IT'S UNANIMOUS. [3.C.3. SB-2021-116094 – 1009 West Lynn St. – Discussion postponement West Line National Register District Council District 9 (Part 2 of 2)] OKAY. C3 1009 WEST LAN. OKAY. YES, COMMISSIONERS. UH, THIS IS, UH, FOR HOWARD BROTHERS AND REALLY THE ONLY ISSUE HERE IS THE LIGHTS ON SIDE. IT MEETS ALL OF OUR OTHER, UH, SCIENCE STANDARDS AND COULD BE APPROVED IF THE LIGHTING WAS CHANGED, THE SIGN HAS NEON EXPOSED NEON, WHICH, UH, HAVING LISTENED TO THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION THERE IS EXPOSED ME ON, ON WESTLAND STREET ALREADY. ALL OF IT PREDATED THE CREATION OF THE DISTRICT AND SIGNS. NOW IT'S BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS. UM, BUT OUR SCIENCE STANDARDS DO ALLOW FOR, UH, EXPOSED NEON IN LIMITED AMOUNTS. AND I THINK THAT THIS SIDE PRESENTS LIMITED AMOUNT OF EXPOSE ME ON A STREET THAT HAS A NUMBER OF ME OUTSIDE. SO, UH, STAFF IS WILLING TO FORK OUT ME, UH, PROHIBITION AGAINST EXPOSE ME, UH, WHAT, UH, STAFF STILL HAS A PROBLEM THOUGH, IS THE INTERNALLY LIT COMPANY WITH THE, UH, TWO LINES OF REMOVABLE LETTERS AND WOULD STOP, WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE APPLICANT IS TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING WE DON'T ALLOW ANYWHERE, UH, IN, UM, DOWNTOWN OR AT NITTY THAT HISTORIC DISTRICTS TEND TO EXCHANGE BACK OVER A FLAT METAL SIGN WITH INDIRECT LIGHTING. SO HARD. THE TWO LINES ARE THE LETTERS HAVE TO BE THE SAME AND WOULD CONFORM TO THE SAME STANDARDS IF THE APPLICANT WILL AGREE TO DO THAT, UH, WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION PATIENT. OKAY. UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE STAFF? I JUST WANT, I, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TO APPROVE THE APPROVED THE NE THE LIMITED NEON AS PRESENTED, UH, BUT DENY THE, UM, THE LIGHTING IS, AND THEN WE WENT TO CABINET AND ACTUALLY, IF THE APPLICANT IS, UH, IS STILL ON THE LINE, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT CLOSED. WE COULD ASK HIM IF HE WOULD AGREE TO THAT. YES. I'M STILL ON THE LINE WHEN YOU AGREE TO THAT. UM, I THINK, I, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY THAT THE, UH, THE NEON WOULD BE PERMITTED. AND WHAT WERE YOU PROPOSING? WE, WE CHANGED THE, UH, INTERNALLY LED BASICALLY TO ADMIT THAT PORTION OF THE TIME, BUT, UH, MAINTAIN THE NEON. WELL, JUST CHANGE THAT INTERNALLY WITH CABINET, FOR FLAT METAL, THAT WOULD BE INDIRECTLY WITH, SO INSTEAD OF HAVING AN INTERNALLY WITH CABINET, YOU JUST HAVE A ASSIGNMENT CONFORMANCE WITH OUR SCIENCE STANDARDS AND, UH, GET YOU TO BE ON THAT SOUNDS. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. THE [03:00:03] COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION CAN, UH, UH, RE REFER THAT HE'S DOWN FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UM, ARE YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT, THAT, UH, SIGNS LIKE THIS, THE MARK HE SIGNED WAS NOT PERMITTED IN ANY CITY, WOULD IT, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO US HAVING, UM, UH, BASICALLY, UH, UH, A MARQUEE TYPE SIGN THAT WAS LIT FROM A SPOTLIGHT AS OPPOSED TO INTERNALLY? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROVIDING? THE PROBLEM IS THE INTERNAL ELIMINATION. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT, UH, LIKE HALO LIGHTING OR, UH, A GOOSENECK ABOVE IT, OR SOME SORT OF, UH, LIGHTING ON YOUR KNEE, BUT IT'S THE, IT'S THE INTERNALLY WITH, UH, PORTLAND, CASA SUPPORT ME SCIENCE STANDARDS. GOTCHA. WE'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. OKAY, GREAT. UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION TO ALLOW, UM, STAFF, UH, TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED THE SIGN COMMISSIONER VALANCE WAYLAND? I WAS GONNA, UM, SO MOVES WHO MOVED IT? WHO MADE THE MOTION? COMMISSIONER COOK? SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE COMMISSIONER COOK MADE THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA. SECOND. IT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. STAFF HAS IT. IT'S APPROVED. OKAY. D [3.D.2. PR-2021-092644 – 3703 Meadowbank Dr. – Discussion (postponed July 26, 2021) Council District 10] 2 37 0 4 MEDIBANK. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. UH, THIS IS, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR A PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT IN ADDITION AT 37 0 3 MEADOW BANK. UM, THIS WAS IN 1966 RESIDENTS. UM, PLANS FOR THE ALTERATIONS INCLUDE WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING'S FACADE. UM, AS WELL AS AN ADDITION TO THE SIDE AND REAR, UM, AND SOME MODIFICATIONS TO A, UH, 1987 POOL CABANA, A MATH DEGREE, OR THAT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING TO, UH, TO THIS PROPERTY SIGNIFICANCE. UM, THE BUILDING IS A TWO-STORY SYMMETRICAL COLONIAL REVIVAL HOUSE, BUT THE HIPPED ROOF AND BRICK CLOUDING IT'S FULL WIDTH PORCH AND BALCONY ARE SUPPORTED BY CLASSICAL COLUMNS. IT'S GROUND FLOOR WINDOWS ARE SIX OVER SIX WHILE THE SECOND FLOOR FENESTRATION INCLUDES FRENCH DOORS, WOOD, SHUTTERS, BLANK DOORS, AND WINDOWS OF BOTH FLOORS. HOW WAS BUILT IN 1966 PER FRANKLIN, W DENIUS DECORATED WORLD WAR II, VETERAN AND RENOWNED UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SPONSOR AT AGE 19. DENI HAS FOUGHT IN THE BATTLE OF MORTON IN 1944, AS AN INFANTRY STAFF, SERGEANT HOLDING A VITAL POSITION FOR THE ALLIES AGAINST 40,000 NAZI TROOPS. HIS FORESIGHT AND ACTION CREATED A TURNING POINT IN THE WAR AFTER NORMANDY, AFTER MORE TAT DENI HAS THOUGHT IN OTHER DECISIVE CAMPAIGNS, INCLUDING THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE AND THE CAPTURE OF OKIN AS HONORS INCLUDE FOUR SILVER STARS, TWO PURPLE HEARTS, A PRESIDENTIAL CITATION, THE BELGIUM QUADRIC AIR AND THE FRENCH KNIGHT OF THE LEGION OF HONOR, UH, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST AWARDED IN FRANCE. ACCORDING TO DENIUS HIS OBITUARY, YOUR T SOURCES TOUT HIM AS THE 10TH, MOST DECORATED AMERICAN WORLD WAR II VETERAN. AFTER HIS SERVICE GENIUS GRADUATED FROM UT LAW SCHOOL IN 1949 AND PARTNERED AT LOONEY AND CLARK 1976, WHEN HE OPENED HIS OWN PRACTICE, HE SPECIALIZED IN OIL AND GAS LAW, AND EVENTUALLY BECAME PRESIDENT OF SOUTHERN UNION. HE ALSO WORKED AS A BUSINESS CONSULTANT FOR WINTER JOHNSON STAINS. THE 2018 OBITUARY DESCRIBES HIM AS A TEXAS GIANT, A MAN OF DESTINY AND CIVIC AND COMMUNITY IMPACT AS IT DETAILED HIS LIFELONG CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AROUND OFTEN, INCLUDING ADVOCACY FOR CO-EDUCATION AT TEXAS A AND M AND AS CAMPAIGN TREASURER FOR CONGRESSMAN JAKE PICKLE FOR MANY LONGHORNS GENIUS IS BEST KNOWN AS THE FOUNDER OF THE TEXAS EXES UTS, FAR REACHING ALUMNI ASSOCIATION. HE SERVED AS OFFICIAL COUNCIL TO UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS AND SPEARHEADED, MANY FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGNS. HE ATTENDED EVERY HOME FOOTBALL GAME AND MANY PRACTICES. AND THEN MACK BROWN IS A NOTICING HE'S ATTENDED MORE PRACTICES THAN I HAVE THE TEAMS PRACTICE PRACTICE FACILITY. IT WAS NAMED IN HIS HONOR, UM, AS WELL AS APPLAUSE OUTSIDE THE STADIUM, UM, IN 2008, THE OFFICIAL UT FOOTBALL PUBLICATION NAMED HIM THE ULTIMATE LONGHORN. [03:05:02] UM, SO I WON'T TAKE YOU THROUGH THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN FULL, UM, BUT, UM, OVERALL THE PROPOSED PROJECT REMOVES INTACT HISTORIC MATERIAL FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, REMODELING THE COLONIAL REVIVAL FACADE TO ENCLOSED THE PORCH AND BALCONY. WE WORKING THE ROOF LINE, REMOVING EXISTING WINDOWS TO ADD STEEL SIX AND CASEMENT WINDOWS AND ADDING STUCCO OVER THE EXISTING BRICK. UM, THE ROOF LINE IS ALSO MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONS, UM, AND SEVERAL EXTERIOR PORCHES, CHIMNEYS, ET CETERA, UM, WILL BE MODIFIED. UM, SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF HISTORIC ZONING OR TO REFER THE APPLICANT TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THANK YOU, CAROLYN. THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A MOTION? UH, NOT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE COULD DO TO MITIGATE, UM, OR NEGOTIATE CHANGES FROM THE CURRENT BUILDING TO WHAT THE PROPOSED WILL BE. UM, THE PROPOSED DRAMATICALLY, UM, DIVERGES FROM THE HOUSE THAT DENNIS, UM, LIVED IN AND WOULD HAVE KNOWN. UM, SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING COMMISSIONER COOK. DO I HEAR, UH, A SECOND AND WOULD THAT MOTION BE FOR SIGNIFICANCE OF YOUR ARCHITECTURE AND A HISTORIC ASSOCIATION WITH THE ULTIMATE, UM, LONGHORN? OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER VILLAINS? SUELA WOULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR, UM, YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER COOK? I, I HESITATED TO, TO JUMP ON IT. UH, UM, I DON'T WANT TO POISON BILL THE INITIATION. I THINK IT AT LEAST DESERVES AN INITIATION, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT IT'S, UH, UH, THAT FACADE TREATMENT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE CHANGING THE OVERALL FORM OF THE BUILDING AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETAIN A HISTORIC BUILDING, UH, WITH HAS CLEAR HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS. I KNOW THE THERE'S FIELDS NAMED AFTER, UH, I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW THE DEPENDENCY PRONUNCIATION, DIDN'T HE S UH, FRANKLIN, HE, UH, AT UT, BUT I SUSPECT THERE, IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE. IT'S A PRACTICE FIELD. I SUSPECT HIS NAME WILL LIVE ON, BUT HE IS ACKNOWLEDGED, BUT, BUT NOT IN, IN, AND IN AREAS THAT REFLECTS HIS, UH, CONNECTION WITH THE UT ATHLETIC PROGRAM. SO, YOU KNOW, HE HAS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HIS NAME IS OUT THERE AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PRACTICE FIELDS ARE GOING TO LAST FOREVER, OR IF HIS NAME WILL, THE ARCHITECTURE ITSELF IS AS GRAND. IT SEEMS TO FALL AT 1952, A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE TRADITIONAL ERA FOR COLONIAL VIABLE. AND IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM WOULD BE FOR THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION OF IT. SO I, I DON'T FEEL TERRIBLY STRONGLY ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IT, AT LEAST AS THERE AS INITIATION, THEN IT SORT OF WHAT, WHAT COMMISSIONER, FELONS, LAYLA WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR SECOND? I AGREE. I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S WORTHY OF A CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS AND THE ARCHITECTURE. I, I AGREE. I THINK THE 1966 DATE, UM, FOR THE COLONIAL REVIVAL, UM, IT'S IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THAT TIME PERIOD AS WELL. SO JUST MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ARCHITECT, UM, WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WE CONSIDER A HISTORIC ZONING. BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU CHAIR THAT, UH, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR DISCUSSION ON THE PLANS IT'S PRESENTED, UM, THERE JUST TOO STARK A DIVERSION FROM WHAT'S THERE. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO VERY DIFFERENT FROM ONE ANOTHER. IT WOULD BE HARD TO, UH, COMPROMISE IN A WAY THAT WOULD STILL REFLECT, UM, THE HOUSE THAT DENISE KNEW. UM, AND I, BUT I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANTS TO COME TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, IF THEY FEEL THAT, [03:10:01] YOU KNOW, THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, FORCED THEM TO GO OR, OR MAKE A NATE OUR FUTURE VOTES CONTINGENT ON IT. UM, I THINK THAT INITIATING THE HISTORIC ZONING ACHIEVE ALLOWS STAFF SOME TIME TO RESEARCH THE ARCHITECT, UM, AND MAYBE MORE ABOUT THE BUILDER, UM, AND KIND OF GET THE ZEITGEISTS OF, UH, WHAT WAS GOING ON, UM, WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT. BUT I THINK THAT, UM, SOMEONE, UH, FRANK DENIUS STATURE, UH, IN A CITY THAT REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, THE CAPITAL AND, UH, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, UM, I THINK WE WOULD BE REMISS IN NOT, UM, AND NOT AT LEAST INITIATING HISTORIC ZONING COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH. YEAH. UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AND I, I KNOW WE HAD, UM, A POSTPONEMENT PRIOR ON THIS CASE, BUT, UM, WE HAD A DRAWING THAT JUST SHOWED THE PLAN AS A SKETCH ELEVATION CONCEPT, BUT THEN IT ALSO HAD A TAG IF YOU NOTICE THE PERMIT SET. SO IT, IT DOES SEEM, UM, MAYBE WE MISS SOMETHING OR THE OWNER MISSED SOMETHING IF I HAD GONE THROUGH IT AND READY TO SUBMIT FOR PERMIT ON THIS FULL DEVELOP SET WHEN WE'RE ALSO JUST SHOWING SOMETHING SO DIAGRAMMATIC. UM, SO MAYBE JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, STAFF, AND WAS THE PERMANENT MAYBE JUST SUBMITTING FOR OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. UM, THESE ARE THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE PARTIAL DEMO, UM, THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO DSD AND REFERRED TO US FOR OUR REVIEW, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A PARTIAL DEMO AND IS NOT WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, IT'S BASICALLY TREATED AS, UM, THE PROCESS GOES AS A TOTAL DEMOLITION WOULD GO. UM, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN PLANS. IT'S THE DEMOLITION THAT, THAT TRIGGERED IT. AND THEN THEY, OBVIOUSLY THEY DID A PARTIAL DEMOLITION CAUSE AS BEST AS I CAN TELL THE PROPORTIONS ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME. AND SO THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IN REPLACING ONE CLASSICAL FACADE, ALBEIT DONE VERY DIFFERENTLY WITH A DIFFERENT CLASSICAL FACADE. SO THIS IS ALL TRADITIONAL CLASSICAL ARCHITECTURE. IT'S JUST, WHAT IS THE IMPETUS? WHAT IS THE, THE NEED TO HAVE ONE THAT IS, UH, MORE STYLISTICALLY PERHAPS, UH, HEAVILY MORE HEAVILY MAST AND WITH A CENTRAL FOCUS ON A CENTRAL ENTRY POINT, UH, AND INTRODUCING SOME, YOU KNOW, ARCHWAYS AND OTHER NEW ELEMENTS, AS OPPOSED TO A VERY ELEGANT, OBVIOUSLY A VERY DIFFERENT EMPHASIS WHEN YOU HAVE BASICALLY A HORIZONTAL, UH, EMPHASIS WITH, UH, REPEATED ELEMENTS, UH, VERY, ALMOST A LITTLE MORE, UH, GRAND BUILDING, BUT THE ELEMENTS THEMSELVES SOMEWHAT UNDERSTATED. SO, UM, THERE MUST BE SOME REASON WHY ONE CLASSICAL TYPE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS OWNER, BUT I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY WORTHY OF A DIALOGUE. AND IF, WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THAT, UH, MORE THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION GOING, UH, AND TO GET THEM IN FRONT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION, THIS COMMITTEE IS, UH, IS INITIATING ZONING. LET'S DO IT. UM, THERE AGAIN, WE MAY FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL AND THE ARCHITECT. SO, UH, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE. I I'M, I'M SORRY THAT IT'S TAKEN THIS LONG IN THEIR PROCESS BEFORE THEY WOULD HAVE THIS KIND OF THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION, UH, IF THEY ARE IN FAR IN FACT, UM, ABOUT TO HOPE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT AND READY TO GET GOING WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, COMMISSIONERS, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS INDICATED THAT THIS BUILDING MAY COME BACK BEFORE US AS A FULL DEMOLITION PENDING AN ENGINEER REPORT. UM, I HAVE NOT HEARD, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT RECENTLY REGARDING THAT, BUT, UM, JUST, UH, BE PREPARED, UH, THAT MAY BE IN OUR FUTURE AS WELL, UM, TO SPEAK TO MR. HUDSON'S POINT THERE. GOT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ARE WE READY TO TAKE A VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF INITIATING HISTORIC ZONING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND ANY OPPOSITE IN THE OPPOSITE. ANY OPPOSITION? NO IT'S UNANIMOUS. WE INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING AND OUR LAST [3.D.5. PR-2021-103869 – 4315 Avenue A – Offered for consent approval Council District 9 (Part 2 of 2)] CASE, D 5 43 15 AVENUE C THE NEW ORLEANS ADDITION [03:15:01] TO HYDE PARK. YES, ACTUALLY THIS IS 43 15 AVENUE, ERIC, I'M SORRY, NOT WITHIN ME, EITHER THE HIGH PARK NATIONAL REGISTER OR THE HYDE PARK LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO A PURVIEW TONIGHT IS ONE OF THE HOUSE QUALIFIES AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK. THE APPLICATION IS FOR A PARTIAL DEMOLITION FORMAT, UH, SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN GO IN VERY LARGE EDITION THAT IS GOING TO OVERWHELM THIS LITTLE HOUSE, UH, THE, UH, OUNCES BUILT IN 1941. IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF, UH, ORDINARY CLASS HOUSING, BUT THERE WAS ALSO INFORMATION THAT, UH, SIDING AND WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CHANGED, UH, PROBABLY IN THE 1980S, ALTHOUGH THE, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY SORT OF BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT REFLECTS THAT. BUT, UH, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CURRENT CONSENSUS IS THAT THE CURRENT SIDE OF THE WINDOWS ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. AS I SAID, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT AROUND 1921, THE FIRST OWNER, UH, WHO WAS A CABINET MAKER. AND HE LATER TURNED INTO A FURNITURE SALES FURNITURE SALESMAN. UH, THEY LIVED HERE FROM THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION, 1921 UNTIL ABOUT 1943, WHEN THEY MOVED AWAY. UH, THE NEXT OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS WERE PAUL AND CLARA AND THEY WORKED HERE FROM AROUND 1943, AT LEAST THROUGH THE END OF 1950, MR. CHRIS WASN'T MACHINING, THE HOUSE MAY QUALIFY FOR LEARNERS LIKE DESIGNATION. UH, IF IT COULD BE SHOWN THAT THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS ARE ORIGINAL, UM, FOR ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WORKING CLASS HOUSING, BUT IT DOES NOT QUALIFIED . UH, SO STAFF VERY RELUCTANTLY NOT SAYING THAT THIS HOUSE DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDS RELEASE OF THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION PERMIT UPON COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN ON DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, STAN, UH, ALSO WONDERS IF, UH, IF THE APPLICANT HAS CONSIDERED RELOCATING THE HOUSE, DONATING THE HOUSE TO A FAMILY, UH, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING SOMEPLACE IN THE CITY, PREFERABLY PARK, UH, OR THE HIGH CRITERIA. AND THEN JUST GO WHEN BRAND THE HOUSE ON THE SITE, IT WAS A MUCH BETTER USE OF RESOURCES AND YOU'RE ALLOW TO HAVE A HOUSE, UH, IF THEY COULD AFFORD IN SOMEPLACE IN THE CITY. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I WOULD, UM, COMMISSION, I I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, UH, AFTER THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, MATT, I WENT OUT WITH THE APPLICANT AND WE DROVE AROUND HYDE PARK TO, UM, TO LOOK AT OTHER BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY THESE KIND OF, UM, CLASSICAL BOXES, THE, THE HIP TRUTH. UM, THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING, UM, A LOT OF ROD IRON SIMILAR TO, UM, TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT, UM, THAT HE HAD ADMIRED IN NEW ORLEANS. AND WE LOOKED AT, UH, WE LOOKED AT SOME ROD IRON WORK, SOME WEIGEL IRON WORK, UM, ON TUTOR, REVIVAL HOUSES IN PARTICULAR IN HYDE PARK. AND HE RECOGNIZED THAT MOSTLY THOUGH THE PORCH RAILS AND, UM, AND BALLISTERS OR WOOD, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, WHAT HE WAS PROPOSING TO SAVE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, UM, WAS PRETTY MINIMALLY. HE WAS PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE HIP TREE FALL TOGETHER AND MAKE IT A FLAT ROOF AND TAKE OUT, AS YOU COULD SEE FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THERE'S A HALF PORCH THERE. HE WAS GOING TO TAKE OUT THE, UM, THE, THE OTHER HALF AND MAKE IT A FULL FACADE PORCH, KIND OF A SUNROOM. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT UP. UM, SO THE, THE HOUSE DOES HAVE, UM, A NUMBER OF ITS WHAT LOOKS TO BE ORIGINAL FOR OVER [03:20:01] FOUR, UM, DOUBLE HUNG SASH. UM, BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THIS MODEST HOUSE IS GOING TO BE, UM, PRETTY MUCH SUBSUMED INTO THE LARGER CONSTRUCTION, UM, UNLESS THERE WERE CHANGES TO, UM, THAT HAD BEEN MADE TO THE PLANS SINCE THEY WERE FIRST SUBMITTED. UH, I THINK STEPH TOLD ME EARLIER TODAY THAT THEY HADN'T RECEIVED ANY NEW PLANS. AND AS STEPH SAID, IT'S, IT'S OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF HYDE PARK, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. THERE ARE A LOT A NUMBER OF, UM, 1970S AND EIGHTIES, TWO STORY APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UH, IN THIS PLOT COMMISSIONER HIND HINDSIGHT, HAVE WE HEARD FROM THE ? I DIDN'T SEE ANY IN OUR BACKUP. I DIDN'T SEE ANY EITHER THAT'S SURPRISES ME. UM, THIS IS TYPICAL OF OTHER MORE MODEST HOUSES AS YOU SUGGEST THAT ARE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS AT THE PERIPHERY. UM, I WANT TO COMPARE THIS TO THE HERRERA HOUSE THAT WE SAW EARLIER ON OUR AGENDA, WHERE, UH, SIMILARLY MODEST HOUSE IN SIMILARLY POOR CONDITION, PROBABLY EVEN WORSE CONDITION. UM, WE HAVE AN OWNER WHO WAS VERY AWARE OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL WAS IN INTEGRATING THAT INTO A VERY, UH, I THINK VERY, UH, APPROPRIATE AND THOUGHTFUL ADDITION THAT, UH, BOTH MADE THE HOUSE MUCH MORE USEFUL, BUT ALSO REALLY IN PRESERVING IT MAINTAINED ITS INTEGRITY, UH, THAT HERE, UH, THERE IS NO REAL REASON EVEN FOR KEEPING THE HOUSE IT'S STRICTLY A, A VESSEL FOR STICKING ON NEW SIDING AND PUTTING ON A ROOF DECK. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AN ADVANTAGE TO RETAINING A WALL OR TO, UH, IN TERMS OF GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DID SUGGEST TO THE APPLICANT THAT, UM, IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO REMOVE THE BUILDING ALTOGETHER AND JUST BUILD A NEW DESIGN THAT IS ALL NEW. UM, AND MAYBE, UM, UH, IT'S NOT CLEAR FROM THE DOCUMENTATION, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE EVERYTHING HERE IN THE SET, BUT, UH, IT MAY BE THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, UH, SOME SORT OF NON-CONFORMANCE TO THE SETBACK. UM, THAT, THAT SECTION, YEAH, WE DID. I'M SORRY. WE DID GET AN EMAIL FROM KAREN MCGRAW WHO SAID THAT, UM, WHO MENTIONED THAT? SHE SAID, BASICALLY THIS LOOKS LIKE A TOTAL DEMOLITION, UM, AND THEY NEED TO, UH, THIS IS STILL IN THE NCCD BOUNDARIES AND IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH, UM, WITH SETBACK, UH, ESTABLISHED BY NCCD. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER COOK. YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. HI. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THOUGH, THE ONE SILVER LINING, I WAS ABLE TO FIND THEM OUT RETAINING THE MASSING OF THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AT THE VERY LEAST WAS THAT THE CORNER WOULDN'T BE OVERPOWERED WITH THE TOWERING STRUCTURE, LIKE THE, LIKE THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. BUT, UM, UM, WE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? NO, I'M SORRY. WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION. WE NEED A MOTION. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE, MAKE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER COOK? I COULD THOUGH. YOU PROBABLY, YOU PROBABLY WON'T LIKE IT, BUT WOULD BE TO, UM, RELEASE A DEMOLITION PERMIT PENDING THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE AND ENCOURAGE THE OWNER TO SEEK A RELOCATION SERVICES TO RETAIN THE STRUCTURE. NOT ANOTHER SITE. IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON. YEAH. I, I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT THERE'S NO REAL, UM, I THINK THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HERRERA HOUSE AND THIS HOUSE IS THERE WAS A CLEAR AND STRONG HISTORIC ASSOCIATION WITH A SIGNIFICANT, UM, FAMILY. AND, UM, THE, THE ARCHITECTURE WAS, WAS SECONDARY. UH, IN THIS CASE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, WE, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT ARGUMENT. UM, UH, WE, WE HAVE A MODEST BUILDING THAT, UM, WOULD BE A SHAME TO LOSE. IT'S REALLY, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF HOUSES WITH THE BIG HIPPED ROOFS AND IN HYDE PARK, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY SPEAKS TO, UH, THE TIME PERIOD WHEN THEY WERE ADVERTISING HYDE PARK AS FOR, FOR THE COST OF, [03:25:01] OF TWO BEERS A WEEK, YOU COULD OWN YOUR OWN HOME WOULD THAT, THAT WERE SO NOW. UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, THIS WAS AN APPEAL, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE TURN OF THE 20TH CENTURY, WHEN THE HYDE PARK IS, WAS MORE, UM, ATTRACTING MORE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY ON AVENUES A AND B AND, UM, IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO LOSE IT. THAT WE'RE GOING TO THING THAT I WAS HOPING TO GET OUT OF THAT WAS MAYBE A DESIGN THAT WAS MORE IN KEEPING WITH HYDE PARK FOR THE NEW, YOU KNOW, FOR A LARGE ADDITION, UM, THAT WOULD SATISFY THE APPLICANT'S NEEDS FOR, FOR THE SPACE. UM, I STILL FEEL THAT THE, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS, IS REALLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR HYDE PARK. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, DOES IT HAVE, UM, HISTORIC PRECEDENTS, COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH, I'M HAVING PROBLEMS WITH COACH AND MAYBE THE OWNER CAN HELP ME IF HE'S STILL ON THE LINE. I FIND THE PLANS VERY HARD TO READ, BUT AS I'M REALLY SCRUTINIZING THEM, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE REALLY THE ONLY REASON THAT THIS IS HERE IS SO THEY CAN PUT SQUARE FOOTAGE IN WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE A SETBACK REQUIRED. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT VIOLATES THE SETBACK. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I DON'T LIKE THAT. WE'RE GIVING THEM A PARTIAL DEMOLITION TO BASICALLY RIP APART A HOUSE THAT OTHERWISE MIGHT HAVE MERIT, UH, JUST WHERE THEY CAN GET THAT DONE. UM, YOU KNOW, MA MAYBE THIS OWNER CAN CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE, BUT, UM, UH, OTHERWISE I'M, I'M NOT SURE I'M HAPPY WITH PARTIAL DEMOLITION. I'M, I'M WORRIED WE'RE BEING PLAYED HERE. UM, BECAUSE THE OWNERS, THE OWNER CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. YES. YEAH. SO I WAS TRYING TO BE, UM, JUST COGNIZANT OF MATERIAL AND TRYING TO SAVE THE MATERIAL AND TO PRESERVE THE AREA. BUT THE HIP ROOF JUST DIDN'T FIT IN WITH A STRUCTURE THAT I WAS PROPOSING, BUT IT'S NOT, YEAH, I WASN'T DOING IT JUST FOR THE SETBACK. I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. EXCUSE ME. YOU HAVEN'T MAINTAINED ANY OF THE CITING EITHER. LITERALLY THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE ARE A COUPLE OF WINDOWS AND THAT'S IT. WELL, CAUSE THE SIDING IS, UH, THERE'S ALL HODGEPODGE OF SIDING AND THERE'S NOTHING REALLY I CAN, WELL, I HAVEN'T, I'VE TRIED TO HAVE TO MATCH. I CAN SEE. AND YOU'VE GOT ALL HORIZONTAL SIDING. SO ARE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU VIOLATING THE SETBACK WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT AGAIN, I FIND IT HARD TO READ YOUR DRAWING. NO, THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE TALKING TO. THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE STILL TALKING TO THE ABOUT IS WHAT THE SETBACK IS OF THAT SIDE, BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON THE STREET OR AT THAT SAME, UH, SETBACK LINE WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSES. SO YOUR, YOUR DRAWING INDICATES THE 15 FOOT BUILDING LINE, WHICH WOULD BE A SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEW CITY DEPARTMENT, BUT THE EXISTING HOUSES ALONG, UH, AS 44TH STREET ARE THE SAME, UH, THE SAME SPOT. EVERYTHING IS ENGLAND LINE. WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU TO GET A FULL DEMOLITION IN THIS HOUSE NO LONGER EXISTED? AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO WORK AROUND TREES, YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT SETBACK. AND YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD ON ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF WHERE THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING IS RIGHT NOW. YEAH. THAT'S THE RULE. YEAH, THAT'S THE RULE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO USE THE STRUCTURE AND TRIED TO KEEP SOME OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE LOT. AND MY DESIGN DOES KIND OF FIT INTO HYDE PARK. THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR HAS A VERY DAUNTING TOWERING HOUSE. THAT'S TO THE RIGHT OF ME. AND TO LEFT ME IS A VERY LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND A HOUSE, HUGE HOUSE BEHIND IT. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M FITTING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, UNLESS I, WELL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS YOU GO FURTHER INTO THE, INTO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, BUT AS FAR AS HONORING OR DOING ANYTHING FOR THIS HOUSE IN TERMS OF YOUR ARCHITECTURE, UM, YEAH, I CAN SEE ON THIS SITE A BIG HOUSE, UM, MAYBE JUST KEEPING, CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A BIG HOUSE ON THE CORNER AND THAT MIGHT BE STILL APPROPRIATE, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THIS EXISTING, IT EXISTS. SO YOU CAN PICK UP SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE, ENDLESS SETBACK. THAT'S NOT WHY I'M USING IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING. I'M USING IT TO USE THIS STRUCTURE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL NEW STRUCTURE. I'M SORRY, I'M A DIVORCED DAD WITH TWO CHILDREN BY MYSELF AND I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE MONEY. ACTUALLY. THAT'S THE REAL REASON I, SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO USE SOME OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO SAVE MONEY AND TO BUILD A HOUSE FOR MYSELF. THAT'S ALL AT A PREMIUM COST. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO SAVE YOU MUCH MONEY TO KEEP [03:30:01] THAT STRUCTURE. BUT ANYWAY, I, I, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY BUILD MOST OF THAT WITH MY FATHER WHO ACTUALLY BUILT HOUSES LIKE OUT IN THE COUNTRY, OUR OWN CHILDHOOD HOUSE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. BUT YEAH, IF YOU GUYS THINK I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE, LIKE THE SETBACK OR WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE. I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO BUILD A FAMILY HOME FOR MY TWO CHILDREN. UM, THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM AND THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO. AND I WAS TRYING TO FIT IN WITH A HUGE HOUSE NEXT TO ME AND THE APARTMENTS ALL AROUND ME AND IT'S THAT ARE, DORKING THIS LITTLE HOME. SO I FIGURED THE PROPORTIONS WOULD BE GREAT FOR THIS LOT. I'M SORRY. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT HIS MOTIVATIONS FOR WHY HE'S DOING WHAT HE'S DOING ARE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION. WE NEED TO CHAT, DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO VOTE ON THIS CASE. I APPRECIATE THAT I'VE JUMPED INTO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UH, CONVERSATION. SO LET ME BACK OFF THAT. BUT ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE THE OWNER WILLING TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION WITH ME TO CLARIFY COMMISSIONER. CORRECT? YEAH. I AGREE WITH THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, BUT YEAH, WE'RE HERE TO, UM, SAY WHETHER IT'S A LANDMARK OR NOT, IT'S NOT A LANDMARK. IT CAN BE TORN DOWN IN SOUTH SIDE, THE, THE, UH, HYDE PARK, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY THERE. AND, UH, I THINK THIS IS IN WORSE SHAPE THAN THE HERRERA HOUSE. THE FOUNDATION LOOKS YOU'VE LOOK AT THE FRONT PORCH, SEVERELY COMPROMISED. SO I WOULD RECONSIDER REUSING IT JUST FOR SAKE OF REALITY OF BEING ABLE TO USE THAT STRUCTURE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BRUTAL REBUILD. AND THE SHED IN THE BACK HAS, UH, MORE OF THE HISTORIC, UH, UM, BATTENS WITH, WITH REVEALS ON THE EDGES WHERE THE HOUSE ITSELF LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE WENT DOWN AND JUST BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, ONE BUYS AND RESTORED IT ALL AND THEN THE PATTERNS ARE BROKEN. SO I THINK THE SIDING'S NOT ORIGINAL. THERE'S NO DETAIL THE FOUNDATION SHOT. UH, UM, YEAH. SO JUST IN TERMS OF WHETHER THIS HOUSE SHOULD BE SET, YOU'VE DONE SHIPPING LINE MARKETS. I THINK IT'S A CLEAR NOTE. YEAH. UM, I, I DO WANT TO SAY IF THE VOTE IS IN, UH, IS TO RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT. UM, I, I WANT THE APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT HE WOULD NEED TO DO A CITY OF DOC, UH, CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE EIGHT BY 10 PHOTOGRAPHS INVOLVED WITH SIDES AND THE NARRATIVE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND ITS OCCUPANTS FOR ARCHIVING AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, THE MOTION IS TO RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT, COMMISSIONER VILLAINS, WILLA. DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT? I THOUGHT YOU WERE CALLING THE BOAT NOW. I I'M CALLING THE VOTE NOW. I JUST THOUGHT I SAW YOU RAISE YOUR HAND. YOU ARE ANTICIPATING, OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND ANY OPPOSED IT PASSES. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'VE COME TO THE END OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT, UM, I SAW SOMETHING [4.A. Update regarding fire damage to log cabin at 5613 Patton Ranch Road] THAT I WAS REALLY SURPRISED. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS UNTIL I LOOKED AT THE LAST PAGE OF THE AGENDA. WE HAVE, UM, UNDER, UH, ITEM FOR COMMISSIONER AND STAFF, A, AN UPDATE REGARDING FIRE DAMAGE TO THE LONG HOUSE ON PATTON RANCH ROAD. WHAT FIRE DAMAGE STEVE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE SOME INTRODUCTORY REMARKS? I HAVE THE VIDEO TO SHOW, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LEAD IN WITH THAT, STEVE. YES. SORRY. UH, YES. IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE NEWS COMMISSIONERS. UM, WHEN WE REVIEWED THE FIRE REPORT AND THE CABIN IS A TOTAL LOSS, UM, THERE'S NOT, UH, ANY INDICATION IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S REPORT AS TO WHAT STARTED THE FIRE, BUT, UH, IT WAS ALMOST COMPLETELY CONSUMED AND, UH, WE ARE RELEASING THE DEMOLITION PERMIT. WELL GUYS THAT WAS IN 1870 LUG HOUSE BUILT BY JAMES PATTON ON PATTON RANCH ROAD. IT'S A, IT'S A VERY [03:35:01] UNFORTUNATE LOSS. WE'VE GOT A STATE OF WHEN THIS YEAR, UH, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THIS, THIS IS THE END OF IT, BUT, UH, WE HAD ALL KINDS OF HIGH HOPES IS THE BARN GUN AS WELL. SORRY, IS THE BARN GONE AS WELL? THE BARN IS GONE, THE CORN CRIB REMAINS. OKAY. OKAY. SO, UM, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE WERE GETTING READY TO BE ABLE TO FIND A SUITABLE LOCATION FOR, UH, THE, ON THE SIDE, ON THE SIDE OF THE SCHOOL, ON THAT. BUT WAS WILLING TO MAKE A MOVE ON THE RANCH. YEAH. AND THE SCHOOL WAS, WAS WILLING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT I GUESS IT'S A MOOT ISSUE NOW. UH, OAK HILL JUST LOST ITS MOST HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT CAME. I JUST SAY IT'S, THIS IS PHIL'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE. AND IF, UH, YOU'RE FRUSTRATED IT'S YOU WANT TO LOOK AROUND AND SEE IF YOU CAN POINT YOUR FINGER AT, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO, I DON'T KNOW WHO OUR OPTIONS ARE RIGHT NOW. UH, I DON'T RECALL HOW THIS ALL PROCEEDED. DID WE TAKE ANY BLAME ON OURSELVES FOR, UM, HAVING THIS DRAGGED ON LONGER THAN IT NEEDED TO, BY ANY MEANS? I GOLLY, GOLLY, THIS IS FRUSTRATING. I THINK THAT THE OPTION, THE OPTION TO IT, TO PLAY ON YOUR FARM AND BE INTERPRETED AS A HISPANIC FARMSTEAD WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS BUILDING, FOR THESE BUILDINGS, NO MATTER WHAT. UM, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT COULD HAVE SURVIVED THE, THE MOVE. UM, BUT IT'S GONE, UM, GOING ON [4.B. Discussion of legislative changes in Senate Bill 1585, 87th Legislature (Regular Session), effective September 1, 2021, including supermajority requirement for historic districts] TO ITEM B DISCUSSION OF LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. YES. YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT ENTIRELY IN THAT. UH, I THINK I HAVE EVERY, EVERY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS OWNER, THAT THE SCHOOL, UH, WAS REALLY WORKING HARD ON BEHALF OF THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, UH, UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE, UM, MAYBE SOMEBODY WHO WAS TAKING SHELTER THERE AND STARTED A CAMPFIRE OR SOMETHING, WHICH IS OFTEN THE CASE PROBLEMS WITH VANDALS. ONE THING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SECURE THE SITE AND, AND PROTECT IT WITH FENCING. BUT, UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE TALKED TO CAME TO THE COMMISSION, UM, ON THIS CASE, UH, SEEMED, UM, GENUINE AND, AND WILLING TO, TO WORK WITH US. UM, I WAS EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I, I JUST WANNA WANNA CAUTION, UH, I WAS INVOLVED IN A PROJECT, UM, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, EARLY IN MY CAREER IN SAN ANTONIO, WHERE THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE SUSPICIOUS FIRE WAS, UH, ACTUALLY TO SOMEBODY'S ADVANTAGE. AND THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT SUSPICIOUS FIRE. AND THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. UH, THE LIST TO SAY THAT WE WHO WERE HORRIFIED, EVEN THE THOUGHT WEREN'T ON THAT, UH, SIDE WHATSOEVER. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT AT THE TIME, AND NOW THIS WAS 25, 30 YEARS AGO. UH, THERE WERE SEVERE PENALTIES THAT WERE PASSED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS. IF SOMEBODY ACTUALLY DELIBERATELY, UH, IS INVOLVED IN, CAN BE FOUND TO HAVE, UH, CIRCUMVENTED HISTORIC, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR STRUCTURE BY BURNING IT DOWN. UH, SO I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO SWAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, UH, OWNER WHATSOEVER OTHER THAN TO REALLY BRING IT UP FOR AN INDICATION THAT, THAT, UH, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S A PATTERN, IT IS NOT A PATTERN THAT WE WOULD SAY IS, UH, APPROPRIATE OR THAT ANYBODY WHO'S WANTING TO BE UNDERHANDED SHOULD THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THE, IT JUST COMES TO MIND. IT'S JUST, YEAH. SORRY. I THINK IT'S EITHER. YEAH. I FEEL, I FEEL REALLY BADLY. I, UM, I DOCUMENTED IT FOR THE, FOR TRAVIS COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION, UM, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT WORKED ON PROJECT. UM, I, I WENT TO BAT FOR IT AGAINST TECH STOTT, UM, WITH THE SAILBOAT KILL FOLKS AND, UM, YEAH, YEAH. I REALLY FEEL BADLY FOR THE SCHOOL. I THINK THEY HAD EVERY INTENTION OF DOING THE RIGHT THING. SO I SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BROUGHT IT UP IN THAT CONTEXT OTHER THAN [03:40:01] WHEN, WHEN WE SEE IT AS MORE THAN ONE OF THESE, UH, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO MORE, WELL, THE ONE, THE ONE THAT WAS ON OUR AGENDA FOR 14 YEARS, UH, YOU KNOW, WAS, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE HAD SEVERAL CASES, THE ARMSTRONG ODOM HOUSE, THE SEABORN NEAT HOUSE, MYSTERIOUS FIRES. AND IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED, UH, LIGHT ANOTHER ONE. UH, SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, UH, IT, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF THAT. THAT WOULD HAPPEN. I DON'T THINK, I HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE, BUT, UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING, UM, MORE TO, TO DO ON THIS CASE. UM, DO WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF LEGISLATIVE CHANGES IN SENATE BILL 1585? YES. COMMISSIONERS. SO, UM, AS YOU ALL ARE VERY AWARE IN 2019, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE AMENDED THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSIONS AUTHORITY, UH, THE CITY'S AUTHORITY, UH, THROUGH TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, UH, SECTION TWO 11.0165 TO, UH, DESIGNATE HISTORIC LANDMARKS. THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED IN 2019 WAS HOUSE BILL 24 96, AND IT INTRODUCED THE SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT APPLIED TO THOSE INITIAL TWO, UM, INITIATION OF HISTORIC ZONING CASES ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THAT REQUIREMENT HAS NOW BEEN AMENDED YET AGAIN. UH, SO DURING THIS MOST RECENTLY PAST REGULAR SESSION, UH, THE LEGISLATURE PASSED SENATE BILL 1585, UH, WHICH INTRODUCES TWO CLARIFYING AMENDMENTS THAT GO INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. UH, SO WE WANT IT TO BE SURE THAT WE GOT THIS BRIEFING TO YOU, UH, AND PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE THESE REQUIREMENTS GO INTO PLACE. UM, SO THE FIRST, UH, REQUIREMENT IS, IS NOT A MAJOR CHANGE AND, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE AS A MAJOR CONCERN, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT A SINGLE COMMISSION, UH, APPROVE DESIGNATIONS. UH, SO THE LANGUAGE FROM THE 2019 LEGISLATION REQUIRED A THREE COURT, THREE QUARTERS, MAJORITY VOTE OF THE, UH, ZONING PLANNING OR HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND A THREE QUARTERS MAJORITY VOTE OF THE GOVERNING BODY OF A MUNICIPALITY IN ORDER TO ZONE A PROPERTY AS HISTORIC OVER THE OWNER'S OBJECTION, WHAT THE 2011 LEGISLATION CLARIFIES IS THAT THERE IS ONLY A SINGLE COMMISSION THAT HAS THE EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS. UH, SO OUR PRACTICE UP UNTIL NOW HAS BEEN, UM, IF A PROPERTY HAS A, A RECOMMENDATION OF HISTORIC ZONING AT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION THAT PASSES BY AT LEAST SIX VOTES, BUT FEWER THAN NINE VOTES, IT WOULD STILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE LAND USE COMMISSION. SO TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION, UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CASES WHERE, UM, THOSE COMMISSIONS TOOK A VOTE THAT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION. AND CERTAINLY NONE THAT, THAT NEAR THE THRESHOLD TO SEND THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL. SO IN ACTUALITY, UM, STAFF DOES NOT FEEL THAT THIS REALLY CHANGES THE PROCESS. IT'S SIMPLY, UM, IT'S A BIT OF A CLEANUP. SO IF, UM, FOR THIS FIRST TWO CASES TONIGHT, OR A CASES LIKE THEM, IF THE COMMISSION HAD VOTED BETWEEN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT VOTES, UM, THE, THAT WOULD NOT HAVE ADVANCED FURTHER TO PLANNING COMMISSION, IT'S CLEAR AT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION BASED ON THAT VOTE, WHAT THE ULTIMATE FATE OF THAT PROPERTY IS. SO IT'S, UH, IT JUST REALLY CLARIFIES, IT DRIVES HOME THE POINT THAT IT TAKES NINE VOTES AT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK PERMISSION TO ADVANCE A CASE TO CITY COUNCIL OVER THE OWNERS OF NICE. SO THE, UM, THE SECOND CHANGE IS THE ONE THAT IS MORE CONCERNING TO STAFF, WHICH IS A NEW REQUIREMENT THAT HISTORIC DISTRICTS HAVE THOSE SAME SUPER MAJORITY VOTING REQUIREMENTS AS HISTORIC LANDMARKS. SO IF AN OWNER DOES NOT CONSENT TO THE INCLUSION OF THEIR PROPERTY IN A PROPOSED DISTRICT, A THREE FOURTHS, MAJORITY OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MUST VOTE IN FAVOR OF HISTORIC ZONING FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO BE PUT IN PLACE. UM, BASED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THEY MUST BE CONTIGUOUS AND THEY MUST BE AT LEAST ONE BLOCK FACE. UM, THE, UH, APPLICATION FORM FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FURTHER CLARIFIES THAT BOUNDARIES CAN'T BE DRAWN IN A WAY THAT INCLUDES A DONUT HOLE. SO WE CAN'T CARVE OUT PROPERTIES WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF A DISTRICT. WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION COULD JUDICIOUSLY CONSIDER WHETHER TO REMOVE PROPERTIES AT THE PERIMETER OF A DISTRICT FROM THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, UM, WHICH STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND ONLY IN CASES WHERE THOSE ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING [03:45:01] PROPERTIES, WHERE THERE'S AN OWNER OBJECTING TO BEING INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT. UM, IF THERE IS A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY AROUND THE PERIMETER, THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO VERY CAREFULLY WEIGH, BUT THE COMMISSION COULD NOT SIMPLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF A, AN INTERIOR OWNER TO A DISTRICT OBJECTING BY CARVING OUT A DONUT HOLE. SO IF THERE ARE INTERIOR PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A PROPOSED HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT OBJECT TO THAT DISTRICT BEING FORMED AND THEIR PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THE ENTIRE DISTRICT IS THEN SUBJECT TO THOSE SUPER MAJORITY VOTING REQUIREMENTS AT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION AND AT CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S THE, THE MEMO IN A NUTSHELL, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ONLY HAVE 10 MINUTES LEFT, UH, UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND, UH, WHEN IT SAYS WE HAVE SOME MORE HEARINGS, UM, MAYBE ANOTHER 15 MINUTES, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND A 10, 15 COMMISSIONER COOK, SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING IT TO 10 15, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT IN 10 MINUTES. RAISE YOUR HAND JUST IN CASE, JUST IN CASE. OKAY. ALL THOSE OPPOSED COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON, COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER, COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA ARE OPPOSED I'M TALKING FOR THE NIGHT. I KNOW, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN DO THIS IN 10 MINUTES. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHEN YOU SAY YOUR, YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE DONUT HOLE, UH, HOW, HOW ABOUT COMBS AND YOU WIND UP WITH PENINSULAS THAT THAT'S STILL ACCEPTABLE. I HOPE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ADVISABLE, IT'S SOMETHING. I THINK THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO WEIGH VERY CAREFULLY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND PERHAPS SIMPLY ACCEPTED THAT GOING FORWARD. HISTORIC DISTRICTS WILL REQUIRE A VERY HIGH THRESHOLD OF SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, ALDRIDGE PLACE WOULDN'T HAVE, UM, BECOME A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT LIKELY. UM, IN THIS INSTANCE, I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER DISTRICTS, UM, WOULD HAVE FAILED AT IT CAUSE THERE WAS OPPOSITION, UH, TO ALDRIDGE PLAYS BECAUSE, UM, AT LEAST ONE COMMISSION OF ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, SIGNED ON COMMISSIONER BALANCE WAYLAND. I DID ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE BRIEF, UM, THAT THE THREE QUARTER MAJORITY IS NOT BASED ON PEOPLE WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING, IT'S IT IS OUR BODY. UM, SO WE HAVE 11 MEMBERS OF OUR BODY. SO THREE QUARTERS OF THAT IS NINE. REGARDLESS OF IF, IF THOSE ARE FILTER, THEY DID SAY SOMETHING, THERE WAS SOME KIND OF EXCEPTION. UM, IF THERE'S A VACANCY, YOU SIT THERE. IF THERE IS A VACANCY, THE, UH, DENOMINATOR OF THAT FRACTION IS REDUCED. UM, ALSO IF THERE IS A RECUSAL, SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN AN ABSTENTION BY, UM, A COMMISSIONER WHO DOES NOT WANT TO TAKE AN UP OR DOWN A POSITION ON A CASE, BUT, UH, FOR A COMMISSIONER WHO HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND NEEDS TO, UH, THEY ALSO WOULD NOT BE COUNTED, UM, TOWARDS THE 11 TO CONSIDER WHETHER A THROUGH THREE FOURTHS MAJORITY IS REACHED. THAT'S A GREAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BLOWS AGAINST THE EMPIRE? YEAH, JUST, JUST MORE HAND RINGING, UH, SORT OF DEFIES ANY KIND OF LOGIC AND, UH, DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE WHO'S KNOW A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT READING THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS THAT THERE'S A GENERAL TENDENCY TO, YOU KNOW, KICK AUSTIN IF THEY CAN. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO BE WANTING TO QUEUE UP THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM FOR MORE AUSTIN KICKING. OH YEAH, THIS IS, THIS APPLIES TO ALL THE CITIES IN THE STATE. IT DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO US AND, AND OTHERS. YEAH, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THIS WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE STUCK WITH IT. AND I DO HOPE THAT, UH, AS TIME GOES ON THE IMPORTANCE AND THE INTEGRITY OF OUR WORK WILL BE APPRECIATED AND SUPPORTED. UH, IT JUST, IT DEFIES LOGIC THAT A COUPLE OF FOLKS CAN SLAP A LABEL ON THIS AS SOMEHOW OBSTRUCTIONIST AND THE WHOLE HERD SEEMS TO JUST RUN RIGHT OVER IT. UM, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO BASICALLY THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO GO DO GOOD LAWMAKING. WE'RE STUCK WITH IT OR GOOD CITY PLANNING. JUST MY OPINION. YEAH. [03:50:01] I CAN SEE DISCUSSION [4.C. Discussion and possible action on pilot program for hybrid Commission meetings, with remote participation of select commissioners] AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PILOT PROGRAM FOR HYBRID COMMISSION MEETINGS WITH REMOTE PARTICIPATION OF SELECT COMMISSIONERS, ELIZABETH, THIS, THIS IS A, AN ANOTHER FUN UPDATE. UM, SO AS, AS I HOPE THAT YOU ALL ARE ALREADY AWARE, THIS IS OUR LAST FULLY REMOTE COMMISSIONED MEETING. UM, ALL, ALL SIGNS SEEM TO INDICATE THAT THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO ALLOW THE CURRENT WAIVER OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT THAT ALLOWS, UM, THIS, THIS REMOTE FORMAT TO MOVE FORWARD. WE ARE EXPECTING THAT TO EXPIRE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. SO, UM, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS PREPARING FOR WHAT, UH, OUR FUTURE HOLDS FOR THESE MEETINGS. AND THERE IS A, UM, A PILOT PROGRAM THAT IS AVAILABLE. IF THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING, THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLY TO TELEVISED COMMISSION MEETINGS. SO IT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR ANY OF OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS. UM, BUT IT WILL ALLOW, UM, A SUBSET OF COMMISSIONERS TO PARTICIPANTS TO CONTINUE PARTICIPATING IN THESE MEETINGS REMOTELY. UM, SO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IS THE, UM, IN ORDER TO, TO ENGAGE IN THIS PILOT, WE STILL HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS ARE SET OUT IN CITY CODE AND SET OUT IN THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. UM, THE PRESIDING OFFICER FOR THE MEETING MUST BE PRESENT. UH, THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS RECOMMENDING. THAT MEANS THAT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ATTENDS THE MEETING IN PERSON, BUT THAT COULD ALSO MEAN THAT THE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR COULD HAND OVER THOSE DUTIES TO, UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE PHYSICALLY PRESENT. SO THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT SPECIFICALLY A REQUIREMENT THAT, UM, THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR WOULD NEED TO STEP DOWN IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY. IT WOULD JUST BE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD HANDLE MEETING BY MEETING. UH, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT A QUORUM OF THE BOARD OR COMMISSION MUST BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT. SO THAT MEANS THAT SIX OUT OF OUR 11 MEMBERS NEED TO BE IN THE ROOM AND CITY HALL FOR THE MEETINGS. UM, STAFF IS ALSO EXPECTED TO BE HERE IN PERSON AND, UH, THE PUBLIC IMPORTANTLY, UM, IF ANYONE IS STILL LISTENING, UH, THAT IS THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR FOLKS TO KNOW HOW TO PARTICIPATE GOING FORWARD. IT WILL BE BACK TO THE OLD WAY OF DOING THINGS, UH, TO COME PHYSICALLY TO CITY HALL, TO PROVIDE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. IN-PERSON THE AUDIO TESTIMONY OPTION IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE AVAILABLE. SO IF WE DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UM, THE REMOTE PARTICIPANTS HAVE TO HAVE TWO WAY AUDIO AND VIDEO COMMUNICATION. LIKE YOU HAVE PRESENTLY IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE. UH, THE REMOTE MEMBER MEMBERS' FACES MUST BE CLEARLY VISIBLE. AND IF COMMUNICATION IS LOST AT ANY TIME, THAT PARTICIPANT IS CONSIDERED TO BE ABSENT DURING THAT TIME. SO THAT'S REALLY NOT A CHANGE FROM HOW WE'RE RUNNING THE MEETINGS CURRENTLY, WHERE WE WOULD CONSIDER SOMEBODY TO BE RECUSED FOR A VOTE IF THEY'RE NOT ON SCREEN, WHEN THAT PHOTO'S TAKEN. SO, UM, WHAT STAFF WANTS TO PROPOSE AND WHAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TONIGHT IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE TO GIVE THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE FIVE DAYS. NOTICE IF WE WANT TO HAVE ONE OF THESE, UM, UH, HYBRID MEETINGS. SO WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE THIS TO GIVE US ENOUGH TIME, UM, TO, TO GATHER INFORMATION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. WE'LL SEND AN EMAIL OUT AT THE ONE WEEK MARK, PRIOR TO THE MEETING. SO THE MONDAY BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER HLC MEETING, WE WOULD BE SENDING AN EMAIL ASKING COMMISSIONERS TO RSVP IF THEY ARE ABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON OR ASKING THEM TO, UM, ASK YOU ALL TO REQUEST A REMOTE ATTENDANCE ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVED BASIS AS CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THESE REQUIREMENTS. UM, YEAH, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF DOES NOT NECESSARILY WANT TO INVITE A CONVERSATION ABOUT FOLKS, UM, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL HEALTH SITUATION OR THE SITUATION YOU HAVE YOUR FAMILIES. UM, WE'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS FAIR, AS IMPARTIAL AS POSS AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN FINALLY JUST EMPHASIZE AGAIN, THAT COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE FULLY IN PERSON. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS IF WE DIE IN OFFICE, DO WE GET A 21 GUN SALUTE FROM THE CITY? NOT A SERIOUS QUESTION. COMMISSIONER SETH HAD A QUESTION. YEAH, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE STAFF GIVING US A HEADS UP EITHER. THERE'S A LOT. YOU STILL DON'T KNOW. UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH THIS WHOLE ARRANGEMENT WITH WHAT IS ADVISABLE AND NOT ADVISABLE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES PROBABLY BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER, THERE'LL BE MANY THINGS THAT WILL CHANGE BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. UH, THE QUESTION IS, AS YOU ASKED US, IS, SHOULD WE PURSUE THIS? AND I WOULD SAY WHOLEHEARTEDLY, YES. IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THEN TO ALLOW WHATEVER THE MAXIMUM OPTION IS [03:55:01] FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR COMMISSIONERS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT REQUIRES THE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR TO BE THERE, SO BE IT. BUT I DO THINK THAT, UH, I CAN SEE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE, UH, CERTAIN PEOPLE, EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY MAY BE UNDER QUARANTINE. UH, IF WE DON'T PURSUE THIS OPTION WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE. UH, AND SO BEING ABLE TO JUST GIVE OURSELVES AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AND MAXIMIZE OUR OPTIONS, UH, IS, IS REASON ENOUGH TO, UH, ASK YOU TO GO AHEAD AND PURSUE IT. I WOULD SECOND THAT AS SOMEONE WHO'S UNDER QUARANTINE RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY, WHY WOULDN'T WE GIVE OURSELVES THE, UH, THE OPTIONS TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE IN THE FUTURE? I MEAN, THE ALTERNATIVE IS JUST TO BE UNFLEXIBLE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO, YEAH. OH, NO, I HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL. IS IT BECAUSE OF SOMEONE ELSE OR IS IT SOMETHING YOU'RE WORKING ON? OH, I OBVIOUSLY I'M THE LAST MAN STANDING IN MY FAMILY. IT FINALLY GOT ME, SO, YEAH, BUT IT'S ALL RIGHT. I'M OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. OKAY. I THINK, SHALL WE CONSIDER THAT EMOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HIND, SETH, AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON TO GO AHEAD, UH, W AND, AND TAKE THIS OPTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND. YES. OKAY. IT'S UNANIMOUS STAFF. UH, LET US BE HYBRIDS WILL DO, AND WE'LL BE IN COMMUNICATION WITH MORE INFORMATION AS WE RECEIVE IT. OKAY. I WILL RELUCTANTLY, UH, FIGHT TRAFFIC TO GO TO CITY HALL. UH, I'VE ALMOST AFTER THE FIRST MEETING WHERE I THREW MY PHONE ACROSS THE ROOM, I'VE GOTTEN USED TO THE ZOOM MEETINGS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKED THE BEING ABLE TO WALK OUT OF MY BACK DOOR AND INTO MY OFFICE AND DO THIS, UM, D DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE. WHAT, WHEN YOU'RE IN CITY HALL, YOU CAN'T THROW YOUR PHONE ACROSS THE ROOM ANYMORE. I'VE DONE WORSE, BUT WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT. UM, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE [4.D. Discussion and Possible Action on Committee Reports A.1. Architectural Review Committee A.2. Operations Committee A.3. Grants Committee A.4. Preservation Plan Committee] MET, UM, AND, AND, UH, ARE THREE OF THE CASES WERE HER TONIGHT, THE HERRERA HOUSE WE'RE REALLY PLEASED WITH, UM, THE ONE STORY WE'RE ADDITION ON THE HOUSE. UH, WE DISCUSSED THE, THE ROOFING AND SOLAR PANELS, LIKE AVENUE G, AND THEN THE LAST CASE THAT WE HAD, SOMETHING THAT WAS INTERESTING, THAT CAME UP, UM, WAS THE, THE WATER BAY STORM DRAIN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN HYDE PARK AND ALDRIDGE PLACE WHERE, UM, WE WERE STILL TALKING TO THE CITY ABOUT, UM, RETAINING THE HISTORY BRIDGES AND, AND HOW TO, UH, ACHIEVE, UM, THAT GOAL AT THE SAME TIME. UH, WE DON'T FLOOD OUT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO, UM, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT. HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, COMMISSIONER HAIM SET HAS THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE MET SINCE LAST TIME WE WERE ABOUT TO HAVE A MEETING COMING UP, UH, THE COMMENTS ON WEDNESDAY. AND, UM, SHE'D GIVE US AN UPDATE, UM, WITH STAFF ON, UH, WHERE WE ARE WITH THE, UM, WITH OUR COMMITTEE AND, UH, WHAT THE RESPONSE FROM OUR FIRST MEETING WAS ON THE WORKING GROUP, UM, HAS MET. AND WE'RE GOING TO GET A BRIEFING ON THAT. UM, THE GRANTS COMMITTEE, OPERATIONS COMMITTEE, UM, I DON'T THINK KEVIN, MATT, HE'S ACTUALLY MEETING THIS FRIDAY. OH, OKAY. GOOD. WELL, YOU'LL HAVE TO REPORT TO US NEXT TIME. UM, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS RELATIVE TO THE GRANTS COMMITTEE, IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR STAFF TO MENTION THAT THE GRANTS COMMITTEE IS GETTING A PRESENTATION ON SOME REVISED GUIDELINES AND REVISED SCORING FOR THE HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAM. THAT'S IN RESPONSE TO, UM, FEEDBACK FROM A CONSULTANT. UM, MJR MARTY REESE, UH, WHO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, GRANT PROGRAMS ACROSS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT EQUITY AND TO LOOK AT, UM, HOW THOSE GRANT PROGRAMS CAN BETTER SERVE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES. UH, SO WE'RE, I, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. I DIDN'T MANAGE TO MAKE SOME OF THE, UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF EVENING MEETINGS, UM, I BELIEVE LAST WEEK THAT GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT. UM, BUT COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT MEETING WILL BE RECORDED. THERE'S ALSO INFORMATION ON THE HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAM [04:00:01] WEBSITE, INCLUDING A LINK TO HOW TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE UPDATED PARAMETERS FOR THAT GRANT PROGRAM. UM, SO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS, YOU WOULD BE, UM, MORE THAN WELCOME TO SUBMIT FEEDBACK. IF YOU HAVE ANY THANK YOU FEATURED AGENDA [4.E. Future Agenda Items] ITEMS, I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER REMOVING THE OPTION FOR DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENTS. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH, AND FOR HELPING ME WITH THE AGENDA, UH, IS, IS LIKE MOVE, UM, MUSICAL CHAIRS TONIGHT. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO MOVE SOME OF KEVIN COMMISSIONER COOK, MOVED COMMISSIONER BELL, AS WELL AS SECONDED? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR IT'S UNANIMOUS. AND WE ONLY WENT TO 10 0 4. SO I GUESS WE DID NEED THAT EXTRA 15 MINUTES. THANKS EVERYBODY. GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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