Aug 23, 2021 Design

YOU DO HAVE A QUORUM WITH SIX CHAIR.

FIRST OFF, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

WAS THERE ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK TO THEM? I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP OR ON NOTICE TO SPEAK FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

OKAY,

[1a. Discussion and possible action on recommendations whether the Elisabet Ney Museum Building Restoration and Site Improvements, addressed at 304 E. 44th Street, complies with the City Design and Sustainability Standards, for the City of Austin; Nick Faust The Lawrence Group, Christina Bies City of Austin Parks and Recreation Department, George Maldonado City of Austin Parks and Recreation Department.]

THEN WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO NEW BUSINESS ITEM ONE, A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RECOMMENDATIONS, WHETHER THE ELIZABETH NAME, MUSEUM BUILDING RESTORATION AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS ADDRESS AT 3 0 4 EAST 44TH STREET COMPLIES WITH THE CITY DESIGN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS.

SEE APPLICANT READY? ISN'T UH, THIS IS NICK FAUST WITH FLORENCE GROUP.

UM, I AM READY.

UH, I CAN SHARE THE PRESENTATION UNLESS IT'S SHARED ON YOUR END.

CITY HALL SHOULD HAVE IT.

THERE WE GO.

AND FUNDING WAS OBTAINED FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.

UM, CHRISTINA, I BELIEVE SOMEBODY FROM, UH, PARD WAS GOING TO LEAVE WITH AN INTRODUCTION, BUT PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THAT'S CHANGED.

UM, NO, THAT SHOULD BE ELLEN.

SHE IS HERE.

I SEE THAT SHE'S ON MUTE, RIGHT? HI, GOOD EVENING.

I, THIS IS ELLEN COLFAX.

I'M ASSOCIATE PROJECT MANAGER AT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT DIVISION.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE THE SITE AND PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS THAT PROTECT THIS AMAZING PLACE, THE ARCHITECTURAL AND HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE ELIZABETH NAME MUSEUM, AS WELL-ESTABLISHED BUILT IN 1892 AS THE STUDIO AND HOME OF THE CLASSICALLY TRAINED GERMAN BORN SCULPTOR ELIZABETH NAY.

THE ORIGINAL LIMESTONE STUDIO WAS EXPANDED IN 1902 WITH A TWO STORY ADDITION AND STAIR TOWER HERE.

AND THEY LIVED AND WORKED FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS OF HER LIFE, LARGELY UNCHANGED AND STILL DISPLAYING A COLLECTION OF HER SCULPTURES AND SPACES WHERE THEY WERE CREATED.

THE BUILDING ITSELF ARCHITECTURALLY EXPRESSES HER IDEOLOGY AND LOVE FOR THE RUSTIC AND ROMANTIC NATURE OF THE SITE.

NOW TWO AND A HALF ACRES BISECTED BY WALLER CREEK.

THE SITE IS A PORTION OF THE ORIGINAL FOUR ACRE.

YOU CALL IT PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK OPPOSITE.

THE MUSEUM SITS AS SIMPLE BUNGALOW MOVED TO THE PROPERTY IN THE EARLY 1930S AND USED FOR PROGRAMMING AT THE SITE.

THE REMARKABLE SITE IS DESIGNATED AS CITY OF AUSTIN, HISTORIC LANDMARK, OR RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK, A STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARK, AND IS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

IN THE 2007, COMPREHENSIVE RESTORATION MASTER PLAN IS FUNDED BY A SAVING AMERICA'S TREASURES GRANT FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE OF THE U S DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR.

THE GRANT CREATED A HISTORIC PRESERVATION EASEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY HELD BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, WHICH REQUIRES HIGH LEVEL REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF ANY WORK PLANNED FOR THE PROPERTY.

LIKEWISE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN, HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, ALSO REVIEWS AND APPROVES ANY PROJECTS PROPOSED FOR THE SITE.

NOW, CHRISTINA BRIET B'S PROJECT COORDINATOR AT PARD WILL, WILL SPEAK ABOUT THE CURRENT CIP PROJECT.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINA BEES.

I AM A PROJECT COORDINATOR WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WORKING ON THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT STARTED IN 2012 WITH THE MAIN INTENTION TO UPGRADE THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM.

SINCE THEN, THE SCOPE HAS INCREASED

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THE CURRENT BRIDGE IS IN POOR CONDITION AND UTILIZES STAIRS DUE TO THE CHANGE IN GRADE ACROSS THE BANKS OF THE CREEK.

THE CURRENT BRIDGE IS NOT EASILY TRANSFERS BY ANY MOBILITY MEANS CONTAINING WHEELS OR TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WITH MOBILITY IMPAIRMENTS.

THE LOCATION OF THE PRO PROPOSED BRIDGE IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE NOW PROPOSED LOCATION REQUIRED APPROVAL BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

AS ELLEN ELLEN MENTIONED EARLIER, THE PROJECT THEN PROCEEDED WITH A BRIDGE DESIGN THAT WAS APPROVED BY STAKEHOLDERS AND THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

HOWEVER, AFTER PRESENTING TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, THE BRIDGE REQUIRED REVIEW DESIGN TO OBTAIN THEIR APPROVAL.

A NEW DESIGN WAS CREATED IN LINE WITH THEIR COMMENTS AND WAS SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED BY STAKEHOLDERS, THE THC AND THE HLC.

AND SINCE THAT LAST HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVAL ATLAS 14 REQUIREMENTS WERE PUT INTO PLACE.

AND THIS REQUIRED A SUBMISSION TO THE DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE CENTER FOR A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

UM, AFTER MUCH STEP, MUCH TIME SPENT ON RE-ANALYSIS, THE EXISTING BRIDGE WAS FOUND TO NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW ATLAS 14 REQUIREMENTS.

SO THE NEW PROPOSED BRIDGE IS JUST SHY OF MEETING ONE OF THOSE NEW REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY OBTAINED PRELIMINARY APPROVAL DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE NEW BRIDGE POSES MUCH LESS OF A THREAT IN TERMS OF WATER THAN A THREAT THAN EITHER THE EXISTING BRIDGE OR NO BRIDGE AT ALL.

THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPROVAL IS ONGOING AND ENTERING THE THIRD ROUND WITH VERGES EXTENSIVE APPROVALS HAVE THUS BEEN OBTAINED IN RESPECT TO THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.

WE WELCOME FEEDBACK ON THIS DESIGN PRIOR TO ENTERING THE 90% SET OF DRAWINGS, BUT OUR ABILITY TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS IS LIMITED DUE TO THE EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF APPROVALS REQUIRED.

THE PROJECT TEAM REGRETS, NOT BEING ABLE TO PRESENT TO THE DESIGN COMMISSION AT THE 30% SET OF DESIGN, BUT THE APPROVAL OF OTHER ENTITIES AND COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE REGULATIONS WAS PERTINENT.

SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE BRIEF PROJECT INTRO.

AND I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO NICK FAUST, WHO WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE DESIGN.

THANKS CHRISTINA.

UM, MY NAME IS NICK FAUST AND I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH THE LAWRENCE GROUP.

I'VE BEEN ON THIS PROJECT SINCE, UH, LATE 2018.

UM, AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ITEMS AND FOR WHOEVER'S CONTROLLING THE PRESENTATION.

UM, WHEN I SAY NEXT, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST MOVING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, AND I CAN KIND OF DO SOME VISUALS, UH, WITH MY SPEAKING.

UH, SO NEXT, UH, SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTH END OF THE, UH, HISTORIC HYDE PARK, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IT HAS NOTABLE VALUE FOR BOTH, UH, THE HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS THE GREATER AUSTIN COMMUNITY.

IT'S LOCATED BETWEEN EAST 45TH STREET IN EAST 44TH STREET, AS WELL AS AVENUE G AND AVENUE H UH, NEXT, UH, IT'S A UNIQUE PUBLIC SPACE.

UM, IT PROVIDES AREAS OF GATHERING, UH, FOR THE HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS THE GREATER AUSTIN COMMUNITY.

UH, IT'S ONE, UH, PIECE KIND OF, OF A LARGER NETWORK OF AMENITIES IN THE AREA, UH, INCLUDING THE SHAQ NEIGHBORHOOD PARK TO THE WEST.

UH, IT BISECTS A WATER CREEK RATHER WALNUT CREEK BISECTS IT.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ACCESS ALONG EAST 45TH STREET.

UM, A NEW ACCESSIBLE BRIDGE AND ACCESSIBLE PATHWAYS ARE GOING TO ALLOW USERS TO ACCESS BOTH SIDES OF THE SITE.

UH, AND AS CHRISTINA MENTIONED CURRENTLY, UH, THERE'S NOT AN ACCESSIBLE BRIDGE OR PATHWAYS AT THAT LOCATION.

UH, THE SITE IS, UM, CURRENTLY ACCESSED BY, UH, A SERIES OF STAIRS, UH, TO GET ACROSS THE CREEK FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.

UM, AND SO THE BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE EXISTING BRIDGE, WHICH WILL ALLOW, UM, A MODERATE AMOUNT OF, OR A MINOR AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION TO, UH, EXISTING TREES AND VEGETATION.

UM, AND IT WILL, UH, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF IMPACTS FROM CONSTRUCTION, UH, NEXT PLACE.

AND IT'S, AS CHRISTINA MENTIONED, UH, THE 2007 MASTER PLAN HAD PROPOSED A BRIDGE ON WHAT IS THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE PLAN SOUTH IN THIS DRAWING.

UH, AS I MENTIONED, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO MITIGATE, UH, DESIGN IMPACTS, UH, THE NEW BRIDGE WILL BE IN APPROXIMATELY THE SAME LOCATION IS THE EXISTING BRIDGE, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT PLAN'S CENTER, UH, OF THIS DRAWING, UH, AND THAT WILL PROVIDE BETTER ACCESS TO THE SITE AS A WHOLE AND MITIGATE CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS.

SO DURING THE ENTIRE DESIGN PROCESS, THE PROJECT TEAM HAS CONDUCTED THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE NEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS FROM EROSION FLOOD AND A WATER QUALITY STANDPOINT, UH, AND

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CONSIDERATION, UH, FOR THE IMPACTS TO WALLER CREEK, UH, WHICH IS BISECTING THE SITE.

ADDITIONALLY, A RE UH, REVIEW OF THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING BRIDGE HAS BEEN CONDUCTED, AND THAT IMPACT, UH, ON THE EROSION FLOOD AND WATER QUALITY MEASURES HAS BEEN STUDIED.

AND, UH, AS CHRISTINA MENTIONED, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN MINOR IMPACTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED, UH, BUT WE ARE TAKING EFFORTS TO MITIGATE THAT.

UH, THE PROJECT HAS ALSO ASSESSED THE ATLAS 14 IMPACTS AND REQUIREMENTS AND INCORPORATED THOSE INTO THE DESIGN, UH, NEXT PLACE.

SO THIS IS THE EXISTING BRIDGE THAT'S LOCATED ON THE SITE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT IMAGE, UH, THERE'S A SERIES OF STEPS ON WHAT IS THE SOUTH END OF THE EXISTING BRIDGE.

THOSE ARE STONE STEPS, THEY'RE NOT HISTORIC, UH, AND THE TOP RIGHT IMAGE.

THERE'S A SERIES OF WOODS STEPS ON THE NORTH END OF THE BRIDGE, UH, THAT ARE ALSO, UM, UH, PROHIBITING KIND OF ACCESSIBILITY, UH, FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE FOR THE SITE.

AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING AGAINST.

UM, NEXT PAGE, PLEASE.

SO IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING AN ACCESSIBLE BRIDGE, WE'LL ALSO BE PROVIDING ACCESSIBLE PATHWAYS, UH, THROUGH, THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

UM, MOST NOTABLY TO THE SOUTH OF THE BRIDGE, WHICH WILL CONNECT THE BRIDGE TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC, UH, NAME, MUSEUM, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY, UH, PLAN SOUTHWEST, UH, IN THIS IMAGE.

UH, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THERE WILL BE NEW, UH, NEW ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE LOCATED OFF OF EAST 44TH STREET THAT WILL PROVIDE A GREATER ACCESSIBILITY TO THE SITE, UH, NEXT PAGE.

SO THE DESIGN OF THE BRIDGE AS A WHOLE HAS BEEN GOVERNED BY A HISTORIC EASEMENT, UH, THAT PROTECTS THE SITE.

UH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE OVERRIDING, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR DESIGN ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT.

UH, THE DESIGN IS GOING TO HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE MUSEUM, UH, FROM AN AESTHETIC PURPOSE.

UH, THE ELEVATION OF THE BRIDGE IS JUST OVER 50 INCHES ABOVE THE WALKING PATH.

UH, SO IT'S RATHER LOW PROFILE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE GUARDRAILS ARE SIMPLE OUT OF TUBE STEEL AND PLATE STEEL WITH STEEL CABLES, UH, AND THEIR SIZING HAS BEEN, UH, ENGINEERED IN SUCH A WAY THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MINIMIZE THEIR SIZE, UH, THERE'S HANDRAILS THAT ARE MADE OUT OF ONE AND A HALF INCH STEEL TO PIPE.

AND THE BRIDGE WAS DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT COULD BE, UH, FABRICATED OFFSITE, UH, IN THREE PIECES AND THEN BROUGHT TO THE SITE AND ASSEMBLED, UH, IF THAT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, THE CLIENT TO HAVE BETTER EFFICIENCY WITH SCHEDULE OR TIME, UH, NEXT PAGE, PLEASE.

AND YOU CAN SKIP AHEAD TWO PAGES IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AND SO, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS A PLAN AND AN ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED BRIDGE.

UH, THE BRIDGE HAS BEEN, UM, DESIGNED WITH SIMPLE MATERIALS, UH, IT'S BEEN DESIGNED SO THAT THERE ARE TWO ELLIPTICAL CONCRETE PLINTHS, UH, SUPPORTING THE BRIDGE.

AND THOSE ARE LOCATED IN THE CREEK BASE IN ITSELF, UH, IMPACTS TO THE ATLAS 14, UH, REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN STUDIED BASED ON THIS.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE BRIDGE MADE OUT OF, UH, UH, STEEL.

THAT'S GOING TO BE PAINTED WHITE, UH, TO REDUCE VISUAL IMPACT.

AND THEN THE BRIDGE SURFACE, UH, FOR THE WALKING PATH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OUT OF WOOD.

UH, NEXT PAGE, PLEASE.

UH, THIS IS A SECTION OF THE BRIDGE, UM, AS WELL AS A PLAN DETAIL.

AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THE GUARD RAILS WILL BE MADE OUT OF A TUBE STEEL THREE BY THREE, UH, AS WELL AS HALF INCH DIAMETER STEEL, UH, UH, STEEL CABLE, UM, HANDRAILS WILL BE ONE AND A HALF INCH TUBE STEEL, AND THE WOOD DECKING IS THERE AS WELL, NEXT PAGE.

AND SO HERE'S SOME ARTIST'S RENDERINGS OF WHAT THIS BRIDGE WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE MUSEUM, WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH OF THE BRIDGE.

UH, SO THE MUSEUM SITS UP ON A HILL AND THE BRIDGE MOVES FROM HIGH GROUND TO LOW GROUND.

UH, AS YOU MOVED FROM SOUTHEAST OR SOUTH TO NORTH, UH, UNDER THE BRIDGE, YOU CAN SEE THE TWO ELLIPTICAL CONCRETE PLINTHS, THE WHITE PAINTED STEEL OF THE GUARDRAILS AND STRUCTURE, AND THEN THE WOOD, UH, WALKING PATH AS WELL.

UH, NEXT PAGE, THIS IS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE LOOKING DOWN.

UM, YOU CAN SEE, UH, TWO STEEL HANDRAILS AS WELL AS THE STEEL CABLE, UH, GUARDRAILS.

UH, AND ONE MORE PAGE, PLEASE.

AND THEN AS YOU GET FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, UH, WHERE THERE'S NEW ACCESSIBLE PATHS LEADING TO THE BRIDGE, THE BRIDGE THEN EMPTIES THAT THE NORTH SIDE, UH, WHERE THERE WILL

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BE A LANDING, UH, THAT TAKES YOU DOWN TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE EXISTING, UH, SITE RETAINING WALLS AND A HISTORIC DAM THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE SITE, AND THE BRIDGE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN SUCH A WAY TO PRESERVE THOSE ELEMENTS AS WELL AS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC, UH, VEGETATION THAT'S ON THE SITE.

AND ANY IMPACTS TO, UH, VEGETATION, UH, WILL BE REVIEWED WITH THE 2007 MASTER PLAN.

UH, PREPARERS WILL BE DONE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT MASTER PLAN.

AND THE PROJECT WILL WORK TO, UM, MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO NATIVE TREES.

UH, THE PROJECT MEETS IMPERVIOUS COVER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE, AND REALLY ONLY ADDS IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE INTERNET ACCESSIBLE PATHWAYS.

UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND ACCESSIBLE PATHWAYS, UH, AS WELL AS THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, UH, ARE GOING TO ALLOW THE ELIZABETH NAME MUSEUM TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE HIGH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE GREATER AUSTIN COMMUNITY.

UH, THIS IS A SITE AND A FACILITY THAT IS FREE TO THE PUBLIC, AND IT PROVIDES CULTURAL AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TO A VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT SOCIOECONOMIC CLASSES.

UH, THE BRIDGE AS A WHOLE WILL CONNECT THE PARK SUCH THAT, UH, THERE'S GREATER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROGRAMMING FOR NEW ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION.

AND IT WILL ALLOW VISITORS TO GATHER, UM, ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, UM, FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE WALKING TO THE SITE, BICYCLING TAKING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR SOMETHING ELSE, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE, UH, WHETHER IT BE ABOUT DESIGN OR THEY SHOULD PROJECT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

COMMISSIONERS, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE I REALLY DO LIKE THAT, UH, THAT DAM, I MEAN, THAT IS HISTORICAL LOOKING.

DAMN.

I COULDN'T TELL REAL QUICK.

IS IT UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM OF YOUR BRIDGE? SURE.

UH, THE DAM IS ACTUALLY DOWNSTREAM OF THE BRIDGE.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO LOOK AT THAT.

IT'S PRETTY COOL.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION IN THE EXHIBITS ON AGE THREE AND FOUR SUGGESTS THAT THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK ALONG 44TH, BUT IN THE DRAWINGS, THERE'S NO INDICATION OF THIS SIDEWALK.

COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT PLEASE? SO THE THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT WILL BE LEADING FROM A NEW ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE ONTO THE SITE.

UH, I THINK LONG TERM, UH, CITY PLANS, UH, HAVE, UH, THE INTENT TO IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG 44TH STREET, UH, SUCH THAT, UH, THERE MAY BE SIDEWALKS IN THE FUTURE THAT EXTEND ALONG THE, THE LENGTH OF EAST 44TH.

BUT AT THIS TIME WE ONLY HAVE A SIDEWALK LEADING FROM OUR NEW ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE TO THE SITE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, I WOULD SAY THAT CONCERNS ME A BIT, AND THAT YOU'VE TALKED A LOT IN YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY, BUT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NO ACCESSIBLE PATH UNLESS YOU DRIVE IN PARKING, THE ONE PARKING SPOT THERE'S ACCESSIBILITY FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, UH, WHERE THE EXISTING LODGE BUILDING IS.

UM, THAT'S ON THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE SITE.

UH, THERE'S A RATHER LEVEL AREA THERE THAT HAS, UM, AN ACCESSIBLE, UH, DECOMPOSED GRANITE PATHWAY THAT LEADS TO THE BRIDGE.

AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU CAN THEN CONTINUE UP, UM, OVER THE ACCESSIBLE BRIDGE, THROUGH THE ACCESSIBLE PATHWAYS TO THE FRONT OF MUSEUM, IS THAT IT'S NOT SHOWN ON ANY OF THE EXHIBITS.

UH, I WILL NEED TO, UM, REVIEW THAT, UH, IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SUGGESTING THE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE WOULD BE FOR SOMEONE TO WALK THROUGH THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT NEXT TO THIS BUILDING ALONG 45TH TO THEN GET TO THE PATH THAT TAKES YOU ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY AT THIS TIME.

TO PROVIDE THAT SIDEWALK.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK THE CITY TO RECONSIDER THIS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STREET ON AVENUE G, UH, AND THAT SIDEWALK THAT WAS BUILT FOR SHY PARK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

AND WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WORKED WITH THE CITY TO ASK THEM TO,

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AND I THINK IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND I THINK IT COULD PROVIDE SOME ACCESSIBILITY TO THIS, UH, PROPERTY AS WELL.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE PROVIDING AN ACCESSIBLE BRIDGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, BUT THERE'S NO ACCESSIBLE PATH TO ACTUALLY GET TO THE SITE THAT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR ME.

SO I WOULD REALLY STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY FIND, UM, A LITTLE MORE MONEY TO AT LEAST CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK ALONG AVENUE G TO BRING YOU TO THAT PARKING SPACE.

SO YOU CAN HAVE SOME ACCESSIBILITY THAT'S, WHAT'S SHOWN IN YOUR EXHIBIT.

UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO ME.

UM, AND I ALSO, IT ALSO JUST STRESS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST FROM A PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS MISLEADING WHEN YOU'RE SHOWING AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE AND TWO OF YOUR EXHIBITS, BUT YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY PROVIDING IT.

SO JUST MOVING FORWARD, THINK ABOUT THAT AS YOU PRESENT TO US.

THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENTARY.

I MEAN, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROJECT TEAM, I WOULD DEFINITELY ADVOCATE FOR A PATHWAY ALONG EAST 44TH STREET.

AND I THINK THAT CONNECTING IT TO THE NEW PATHWAY THAT EXTENDS ALONG AVENUE G UH, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTARY JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT, THERE IS A PUBLIC WORKS SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

SO THAT IS SCHEDULED ON THAT SIDE OF 44TH STREET IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE ARE COORDINATING WITH THEM FOR THAT INSTALLATION OF THE ADA PARKING STALL.

UM, EITHER WE INSTALL IT FOR FIRST OR THEY'RE ALSO LATER, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE YET, BUT THAT IS THE PLAN AND THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE SCHEDULED INSTALL AS FAR AS WE KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TOUCHED BASE WITH THEM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? YEAH.

CHEER.

I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT.

I'M SORRY.

I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER, BUT, UH, YOU SPOKE ABOUT, UM, PAINTING IT WHITE, SO IT KIND OF BLEND INTO THE ENVIRONMENT OR WHATEVER.

I KIND OF THINK IT'D BE KIND OF COOL.

IF EVERYTHING WAS GALVANIZED, IT WOULD HAVE MORE OF THIS HISTORICAL FIELD RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THAT WHITE MAKES IT LOOK PRETTY MODERN AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT OUT.

SO WHAT WAS DONE IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID ANY SORT OF REFLECTANCE OR AN ADDITION OF COLOR THAT WOULDN'T BE WHITE? SO TO HAVE A PRIMARY COLOR OR SOMETHING THAT MAY DISTRACT FROM THE MUSEUM BUILDING, WHICH IS, WHICH IS STONE, UH, WHITE WAS, WAS DETERMINED IN CONSULTATION WITH OUR DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WOULD PROVIDE A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF, OF DISTRACTION.

SO IT WAS GALVANIZED DISCUSSED AT ALL.

UH PRISTINA YOU MAY RECALL SOME OF THE MORE, UH, UH, SOME OF THE OLDER CONVERSATIONS RELATED TO THOSE DECISIONS, BUT, BUT I DON'T RECALL THAT, UH, IN MY TIME, CHRISTINA, I DO, I DO KNOW THAT THE INTENT WITH, UM, THE PRIMARY CONDUCTORS IS, AS NICK MENTIONED TO NOT DISTRACT FROM THE APPEARANCE OF THE MUSEUM, BUT WE, BUT IT'S ALSO A GOAL TO NOT MAKE THINGS LOOK HISTORIC.

WE NEED TO MAKE THEM INTENTIONAL, UM, MODERATE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THAT IT'S OBVIOUS IT WASN'T SOMETHING REFLECTING BACK OF A TIME BEFORE IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

OTHER COMMENTS.

UM, WELL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND, OKAY.

THERE'S A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE SEEDS ZIONIST SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS.

IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND, SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? WELL, I WILL CALL OUR COMMISSIONER'S NAMES IF YOU LET ME KNOW HOW YOU LIKE TO VOTE COMMISSIONER WEAVER.

I SHOULD TAKE A GUCCI.

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AND I AM A YES.

SO THAT MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

UH, ITEM TWO, A APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 28TH AND AUGUST 5TH MEETING MINUTES.

HEY, THAT WAS THE ONLY NEW BUSINESS.

UH, SO WE WILL GO TO MISSION SPECIFIC BUSINESS,

[2a. Approval of the June 28th and August 5th meeting minutes.]

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY.

WE'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE COMMISSIONER WEAVER FOR SURE.

AN HOUR LATER.

NOT ASSESSING OTHER FEES.

YOU GOT ME COMMISSIONER MINORS.

I CAN REFER A TAN OF GUCCI FOR SURE.

WILDLY I I'M AN IO.

SO THAT PASSES.

[2b. Discussion and possible action on recommendations related to the Downtown Density Bonus Program.]

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO B DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

IF YOU RECALL, IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE DID PASS TWO RESOLUTIONS ON THIS AND WE POSTPONED A THIRD THAT A THIRD ONE WAS REWORDED WITH A GREAT EFFORT FROM COMMISSIONER WEAVER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND, UH, INCLUDED IN THE BACKUP TONIGHT.

UM, I KNOW, UH, THERE WAS TWO EDITS THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE AND THIS THE COMMISSIONER CAN, A GUCCI HAD POINTED OUT.

UM, SO I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE AWARE OF THAT AS WE BEGIN DISCUSSION, THE FIRST ONE WAS IN THE FIFTH, WHEREAS WHERE WE SAY CRE, YOU RIGHTLY PROPOSED IT.

WE ADD A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.

SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND THEN IN THE FIRST BE IT RESOLVED AFTER, UM, BEST OF EFFORTS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO ADD THE LANGUAGE, INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION FEES AND ASSURANCE THAT UNITS ARE ACTUALLY OCCUPIED.

LIKE, DID I GET ALL THAT CORRECT? WE SHOULD OBTAIN A GUCCI.

YES, YOU DID.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ADDICTS, UM, TO THE PROPOSED BACKUP, BUT WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE, WHAT OTHER COMMENTS THEY HAVE ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT.

I HAVE A COMMENT CHAIR AND THE IDEA IDEAS THAT, UH, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE COMMISSIONER WILDLY COULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN OUR FIRST MEETING, OUR FIRST, A WORKING GROUP MEETING, BUT I DID APPRECIATE HIS FOLLOWING UP LATER WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, HE INTRODUCED.

AND, AND I, I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S TOO LATE IN THE GAME OR HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE WHAT HE SAID AND I, BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE WHAT SHE INPUT INTO THIS RESOLUTION TOO.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.

WE JUST SAW, BUT I THINK JUST CAN'T GO THROUGH UNTIL WE DO ADDRESS A COMMISSIONER OR AT LEAST CONCERNS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARROLL.

AND I HAD A CONVERSATION BY EMAIL, WHICH I THINK KIND OF IS A REPEAT OF THIS DIALOGUE.

UM, SO I THINK, UH, INITIALLY I WAS ALSO TRYING TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER WATLEY IS, UM, KIND OF INCLUSION OF, UH, REDUCING FEES FOR NOVEL BUILDING TYPES OR THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, INCREASE HOUSING.

HOWEVER, COMMISSIONER CAROL RIGHTLY POINTED OUT THAT UNLESS YOU'RE EXCEEDING THE FAR, YOU WOULDN'T BE PAYING THE DENSITY BONUS FEES.

SO, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY WRITING ABOUT THE DENSITY BONUS.

UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER CAROL WANTED TO KEEP OUR FOCUS ON THE DENSITY BONUS AND NOT OTHER,

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AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT WAS THAT THE, THE, ONE OF THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE PASSED BEFORE WAS, WAS THE TIERED PROGRAM.

AND ESSENTIALLY THAT IDEA, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THEORY, THE WAY WE PROPOSED IT COULD BE LOWER COSTS FOR SMALLER PROJECTS, UM, THAT ARE PERHAPS ONLY OPTING INTO THE FIRST YEAR OR, OR NOT OPTING INTO THE DENSITY BONUS AT ALL.

SO I UNDERSTAND IT.

I APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE.

UH, I'D LIKE TO IT WILDLY TO KIND OF RESPOND TO THIS ALSO, GO AHEAD.

IMPORTANT THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BURDEN, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT TO THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T GET NEW DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE DO NEED THESE PROJECTS TO PROVIDE HOUSING.

THANKS.

I, I, I GUESS I, I SEE THAT THE CURRENT RESOLUTION HAS BEEN REWORDED SOME AND IT'S SOUNDING BETTER TO ME.

UM, I MEAN, UH, THE MAIN THING I REALLY FOCUSED ON THE FIRST TIME WAS WHAT I RECALL ON OUR WORKING GROUP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, HAVING KIND OF INHERENT BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE UNIQUE PROJECT TYPES THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SCALE OR SEEK A SMALLER SITE.

AND MAYBE THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, DO NEED TO SEEK SOME ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS AND GET OVER THEIR FAR AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, AND THEIR OWN SMALL SITE.

AND, UM, THEY SHOULDN'T BE UNDULY PENALIZE, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, SO I REALLY LIKED THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, BASED ON PROJECT SIZE, NOT CANNIBALIZING SOME OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS CAUSE IT'S CAUSE THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION DID SEND US, TEND TO SAY TO ME, THE WAY I WRITE IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME UNIQUE SITUATIONS WITH SOME UNIQUE PROJECT TYPES, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, TH THESE ARE SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR FINDINGS FOR THE WHOLE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

AND, UM, IT JUST FELT LIKE A LITTLE BIT AT TIMES MAYBE THE, SOME OF THESE THINGS WHILE THEY'RE IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T DICTATE, UM, THE FULL DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, SEEM TO BE, UH, I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY, I THINK SOME OF THE ITEMS TO BE MAYBE EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT ON, OR MAYBE THEY'RE A LITTLE TOO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS A LITTLE TOO SPECIFIC ABOUT, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UM, IT SAID HERE INCREASING COSTS THROUGH CITY FEES, CAUSES DEVELOPERS TO CHARGE HIGHER RENT OR SELL AT A HIGHER COST.

UM, I GUESS ONE THING, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IT'S EASY TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE.

IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE.

UM, BUT IT SEEMS TO KIND OF ADD A BIAS INTO THIS THING WHERE WE DON'T TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CITY FEES, YOU KNOW, TO REALLY GET A GOOD RETURN, YOU KNOW, ON, AS A COMMUNITY, WHAT CITY FAITH FEES MAKES SENSE AND WHAT WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE OUR LAST MEETING, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY FEES NOW AND THEY'RE GETTING TOO HIGH.

SO, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE BONUS FEE IS KIND OF CRAZY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT'S ONE MORE FEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE, THE FINAL FEE THAT, YOU KNOW, BROKE, BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER FEEDS THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, PROJECTS ONLY BE PAYING THOSE FEES.

UM, IT MAY BE THE DENSITY BONUS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN DRAINAGE OR TRANSPORTATION AND STREETS.

FOR INSTANCE, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPETING FEES AND FEES ARE GETTING HIGHER.

I DO REALIZE THAT BECAUSE I DO A LOT OF WORK FOR DEVELOPERS.

SO I DO SEE THE IMPACT OF THESE FEES AND THAT CAN BE QUITE DRASTIC.

BUT ANYWAY, I THINK BY SAYING INCREASING FEES CAUSES A PLACE TO SERVE RENT FOR A HIGHER AMOUNT OR SELL IT TO HER.

ALSO, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, IN MY OPINION IS NOT A, THAT'S NOT DIRECT CAUSE AND EFFECT.

I THINK THE HIGHER RENT AND THE HIGHER COSTS FOR PRETTY MUCH CHARGING, CHARGING, WHATEVER THE MARKET CAN GET AWAY WITH.

UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE CAN ECONOMIZE ON A PROJECT, BUT THEY CAN CHARGE A HIGHER RENT, THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DIRECT CORRELATION.

UM, AND I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS COULD, UH, DEAL WITH, UH, SOME INCREASED FEES FOR LIKE AFFORDABILITY, SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY BY NEGOTIATING A LOWER LAND COSTS, UM, OR ECONOMIZING ON BUILDING MATERIALS OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REDUCING AMENITY AREA INTO THE BUILDING, DESIGNING FOR MORE EFFICIENT BUILDINGS.

SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY FLUID DYNAMIC PROCESS.

I WOULD THINK AS FAR AS FEES COST TO DEVELOP COST, TO CONSTRUCT, YOU KNOW, COST OF MATERIALS GOING UP, UH, UH, LABOR GOING UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND WHAT THINGS FINALLY SELF OR, UM, SO I JUST HATE TO KIND OF, KIND OF, I SAY SOME REAL VALUE TO THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

I GUESS I'LL JUST HAVE TO SAY, UM, IN GENERAL, BECAUSE I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SUCH AN

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I THINK AT THE SAME TIME TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE FEE IS TOO MUCH AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REFERRING TO SOME SMALLER PROJECTS, SO MAYBE LET'S RETHINK, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM FURTHER STUDY.

SHE KNOWS, UM, POTENTIALLY WE GOT LOSE SO ABILITY TO DO SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY.

AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF TWO RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT JUST THIS RESOLUTION, BUT ALL THE RESOLUTIONS, UH, THEY'RE GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING FORWARD STAFF HASN'T TO MY KNOWLEDGE COME UP YET WITH HOW THESE, HOW THE FEE IN BLUE IS BEING USED AND HOW EFFICIENT, HOW IT DOES BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.

I SAW QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEN I ULTIMATELY, UM, CHANGE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE PROGRAM IF WE KNEW ABOUT HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S CHICKEN, HOUSING VOUCHERS OR HOW MUCH, AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER HOUSING VOUCHERS, YOU KNOW, FEES GO TO THAT AND UNIVERSITY NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAY AND, YOU KNOW, SOME SUCCESSES THAT PROGRAM.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONER WALLIN, UM, WOULD YOU WANT TO REWORD THAT, WHEREAS, OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IS ELIMINATED? OH, I'M SORRY.

THAT WAS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A RAMBLE AND NOT A SPECIFIC EDIT, UM, TO PHOTOG PAYMENT.

BUT THAT IS, UM, I THINK IF I HAD ANY SUGGESTED EDITS, IT WOULD BE ONE, MAYBE IT'S BEEN REWORDED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE PREVIOUS ONE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TEXAS DOESN'T DISCLOSE SALES PRICE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED TO SUGGEST WE REALLY CAN'T.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TAKE ANY STUDY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AND IN SOME OF THESE PREVIOUS STUDIES DON'T DON'T MEAN MUCH BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE SALES PRICE IS.

UM, AND, AND I MEAN, NO LOWER RESOLUTION, BUT I BACKING UP A SECOND.

UM, I WAS SAYING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE AS A, OF A DEVELOPER, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS, REASONS THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH LUXURY PRODUCT DOWNTOWN.

SO LIKE WHEN YOU'RE A DEVELOPER AND YOU'RE KIND OF SIZING OUT DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT'S YOUR PROGRAM AND IF YOU'RE GOING FOR A LUXURY, YOU NEED THIS FINISH AND THAT'S THIS COSTING, THIS AMENITY, UM, WHEN THE FEES GET SO HIGH, YOU HAVE TO SAFELY CLEAR THE DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE RATIO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET YOUR LOW AND YOU CAN'T GET FINDING AND SEEING IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAFELY CLEAR THE HURDLE.

AND WHEN WE RAISED THE CLASS SO MUCH, IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH LUXURY AND WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, MARKET RATE AFFORDABLE.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE HERE.

UM, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE PEOPLE KIND OF TRYING TO GET THE BARE MINIMUM OFFERING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE A SAFE MARGIN OF ERROR WITH ALL OF THE FEES THAT ARE CHARGED.

SCALE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK NATURALLY, YOU KNOW, THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IS PROBABLY GOING TO GO ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ON THE SAME SIDE SO THAT THE LUXURY HIGH RISES ARE GOING ON IN GENERAL.

AS OUR WAY TO INCENTIVIZE WORKFORCE HOUSING AMOUNT OF BELIEF.

I REALLY AM EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME OF THE CO-HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECTS AND THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT PROJECTS LIKE THE AUSTIN AREA AND, YOU KNOW, CAN BEAR A LITTLE BIT OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

UM, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I REALLY WANT, I WANT SOME OF THESE HIGHER END PROJECTS THAT DEVELOP MOST DEVELOPERS GRAVITATE TOWARDS MAYBE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE PROFIT TO BE MADE IN THEM TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF THEM FOR THE PUBLIC AND TO NOT BURDEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE UNIQUE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECTS.

AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED.

I JUST SEEMED LIKE THE RESOLUTION POTENTIALLY CAN DAMAGE OUR ABILITY TO USE SOME OF THESE LUXURY PRODUCTS AS A WAY TO MAKE SURE WE GET SOME, YOU KNOW, MONEY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DEEPER AFFORDABILITY LEVELS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY NOT, NOT BURDEN WORKFORCE HOUSING AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY HARD TO MAKE ENDS MEET ON, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

I THINK THE FEEDBACK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE GROUP WAS THAT UNLESS IT'S CAPITAL A AFFORDABLE, WE CAN'T REALLY DIFFERENTIATE, UH, BETWEEN DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOODNESS AND LUXURY, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE CHALLENGE THERE.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I FEEL SIMILARLY, BUT I APPRECIATE HOW THAT'S REALLY CHALLENGING TO KIND OF SET UP IN A RESOLUTION.

IT ALMOST, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, COULD THERE BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ABOUT THE, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, THAT'S NOT SINGLING OUT DIFFERENT PROJECT TYPES, BUT REALLY SAYING IF IT'S A SMALLER

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SO I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THE WORKING GROUP, AND I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, I DON'T WORK FOR DEVELOPERS.

I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, BUT ONE OF MY PROBLEMS WAS NOT PROBLEM, BUT CONCERN WAS HOW DO YOU INCREASE RACIAL DIVERSITY THROUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING? UH, AND HOW CAN YOU INCENTIVIZE THAT? BUT APPARENTLY IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

LIKE JEN JUST TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE FINANCING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, KIND OF EXCLUDES DEVELOPERS FROM INCLUDING THAT IN THEIR PACKAGES.

AND THAT'S A BIG CONCERN OF MINE BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LESS PRIVILEGE IS GOING TO BE LEFT OUT OF ALL THIS.

AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITERALLY WHITE DOWNTOWN OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT WAS MY CONCERN.

BUT DAVID IN JAN ACTUALLY EXPLAINED THAT TO ME.

AND IF THEY COULD TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT TO EXPLAIN TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, HOW THAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T WORK, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

DID YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT JEN OR, UH, WELL, DEVELOPERS HAVE TO FOLLOW FAIR HOUSING GUIDELINES, WHICH DON'T REALLY ALLOW FOR KIND OF ANY, ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE OR KIND OF TARGETING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT I THINK THE BEST WAY TO INCREASE RACIAL DIVERSITY IS INCOME DIVERSITY.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT, IMAGINE AUSTIN AND THE VARIOUS, UM, THE STRATEGIC PLANS FOR THE CITY, WE SEE, UM, A RANGE OF HOUSING, UM, REALLY TALKED ABOUT AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, IN PRACTICE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS CAPITAL A FORDABLE IN LUXURY.

UM, SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO SOMEHOW COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, HOW, HOW TO TALK ABOUT THAT MISSING METAL AND HOW TO GET RANGE OF HOUSING.

SOME CAN DO CO-OPS SMALL SCALE.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN NECESSARILY SET UP A WHOLE NEW GROUP AND IN THIS, IN THIS CRITIQUE FOR THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, UM, YEAH, BUT LET'S SAY LUXURY, LUXURY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THOSE ARE THE TWO TERMS. IT JUST COLLIDE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S SAD IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LUXURY WITHIN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING VOCABULARY.

OH YEAH, NO, I DON'T SORRY.

LUXURY.

AND SO IT'S LIKE, WE CAN, WE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH DOWNTOWN IS LUXURY, RIGHT? AND THEN WE HAVE LIKE THIS BEST OFFER AFFORDABLE.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TRYING TO CALL OUT AND THIS, UM, RESOLUTION IS THAT, AND SOME OF THE BEST EFFORTS FOR ON-SITE AFFORDABLE, THE WAY THE PROJECT IS SET UP OR THE WAY THE FINANCING IS SET UP, UM, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THOSE HOUSING UNITS WILL ACTUALLY BE USED.

SO WE USE THIS SPECIFIC EXAMPLE FOR THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH TAKING THE TIME TO SEE IS THAT AN EFFECTIVE PROGRAM.

AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE THING IS, UH, INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF REQUIRING SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO INCORPORATE IT, MAYBE THE BEST THING TO DO IS SET ASIDE FUNDS WHERE IT'S SOMEONE WHO DOES DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN, CAN, UM, ALLOCATE THOSE FRIENDS AND DEVELOP PROJECTS APPROPRIATELY WITH PROPER DEMO, PROPER MONITORING OF THE SYSTEMS AND, UM, SETTING UP SYSTEMS THAT DO SUPPORT CAPITAL A AFFORDABLE.

UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT EVERY DEVELOPERS PRODUCT TYPE, LIKE THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC, EVERYONE WILL DO ONE THING AND ITERATE, ITERATE, ITERATE.

WHEN YOU ASK THEM TO CHANGE ANYTHING FROM THAT, THEY LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE TO DO.

SO.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION KIND OF THAT THE TERM LUXURY JUST KIND OF REALLY BOTHERS THEM RIGHT NOW.

OH, SURE.

WE ARE EXPECTING TO HAVE A BRIEFING OR A PRESENTATION ON THAT NEXT MONTH, RIGHT.

MAY SORRY.

MAY I INTERRUPT FOR ONE MOMENT? UM, AND COLEMAN IS A LISTENER, BUT SHE CAN'T, SHE JUST TEXTED ME.

SHE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY HALL.

IF YOU GUYS CAN HELP US.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM OTHER THAN INTERRUPTING, BUT THANKS.

SORRY, JEN.

EVAN.

OH, NO PROBLEM.

CHAIR OUT A QUESTION.

IF HAS CITY STAFF EVER GOTTEN BACK TO IT SOMEWHERE, THE CURRENT DENSITY BONUS FEES? HOW THERE, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE BEING USED FOR, UM, HOUSING VOUCHERS, I BELIEVE, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN A DETAILED REPORT ABOUT HOW THEY'RE BEING USED OR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THEM GOING TOWARDS HOUSING VOUCHERS VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE.

NO, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING BACK ON THAT THERE, IF I, IF I CAN SPEAK TO THAT, UM,

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BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT SEEMS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OVERALL, WHAT CHARITON, I MEAN, UH, COMMISSIONER CHANTING PUCCI SAID, YOU KNOW, I REALLY IT'S A BIG ISSUE FOR ME AS WELL.

I MEAN, I DO SEE SO MUCH LUXURY HOUSING GOING ON DOWNTOWN.

THERE'S SUCH A GREAT DEMAND FOR HOUSING BY YOUNGER TECH WORKERS, YOU KNOW, MAKING $200,000 A YEAR OR WHATEVER, AND YOU KNOW, MORE POWER TO THEM.

I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE AUSTIN SLIP FURTHER INTO A DOWNTOWN FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PRIVILEGE, YOU KNOW, TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OF THAT DOWNTOWN, BUT THERE HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMPLETE COMMUNITY.

AND, AND I THINK WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER WEAVER BRINGS UP AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LUXURY DEVELOPER AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON SITE MAYBE, OR HOW IT'S MANAGED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THE EFFECTIVENESS THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE.

AND CERTAINLY I THINK PROJECTS LIKE, UH, FOUNDATIONS, COMMUNITY DOWNTOWN, UM, ARE REALLY EFFECTIVE PERSONA.

I LOVE ABOUT THE FOUNDATIONS COMMUNITY COMMUNITY DOWNTOWN IS BEFORE THAT PROJECT HAPPENED, PEOPLE ARE SAYING YOU CAN'T DO ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THE LAND VALUES ARE TOO HIGH AND WE JUST NEED TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, UH, WHICH ECONOMICALLY THE ARGUMENT MADE SENSE, BUT IT BOTHERED ME BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S NOT A BALANCED, COMPLETE COMMUNITY.

AND, UH, AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS PROVEN WRONG.

WE CAN DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN, AT LEAST SOME SUBSIDY.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO USE SOME, WE NEED TO USE SOME DOLLARS THAT WE GET FROM OTHER PROGRAMS OR OTHER PROJECTS TO MAKE THOSE THINGS POSSIBLE.

AND COMMISSIONER WAIVER.

I THINK THE PROJECT YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, REALLY EXCITING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE OF THESE PROJECTS THAT COULD BE EFFECTIVE WAY TO PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OR SOLUTIONS FOR MYSELF.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WHICH IS PRETTY COMPLICATED AND WE'RE MISSING A WHOLE BUNCH OF DATA FROM THE CITY, I THINK ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM WHERE THE MONEY IS BEING USED.

BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, SAY OR DO ANYTHING THAT KIND OF THROWS THE BABY OUT, THE BATH WATER, SO TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I DO GET THAT THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS ARE CHALLENGED BY FEES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO EXTRACT SOME OF THE PROFITS AND THE IN THE, IN THE MARKET IS TENDS TO WANT TO GO IN THE HIGH END AND KIND OF FORCE THE MARKET TO, YOU KNOW, HOPE A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME FUNDS TO SUBSIDIZE AND MAKE SOME REALLY BRAVE, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE PROJECTS DOWNTOWN MORE.

I REALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS.

AND I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE ON THIS ISSUE IF IT'S BEEN LOOKED INTO OR IF THERE WERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, FROM THEIR END.

SO IT'S, CAN SOMEBODY GIVE US KIND OF A UPDATE ON WHAT Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE RACIAL DIVERSITY ISSUE, SOMEBODY FROM STAFF VERIFY ME.

GO AHEAD.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, CHAIR COMMISSIONER, TRYING TO QUESTION.

WE HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO THE ISSUE OF RACIAL DIVERSITY IN THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

IT'S PRETTY HARD SUBJECT TO LEGISLATE FROM AN ORDINANCE POINT OF VIEW.

UM, HOWEVER, WE ARE EXPLORING HOW SIMILAR CITIES ARE DOING OR DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT FOUND IN ANY PARTICULAR RESEARCH IN TEXAS WHERE RACIAL DIVERSITY IS A COMPONENT OF TITLE ENTITLEMENTS IN THE STATE.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO RESEARCH IN.

IF THERE'S ANY INFORMATION WE CAN PROVIDE, WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMISSIONER.

WELL, CAN I ASK HER, HEY, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF BEING THE PIONEERS ON THIS? I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS, I THINK OUR LIMITING FACTOR HERE IN TEXAS IS THAT, UH, THE INCLUSIONARY ZONING PORTION OF IT, OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T BE A, UH, WOULD BE A NON-STARTER IN OUR STATE.

HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE HOW LEGALLY WE COULD CRAFT SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE RACIAL DIVERSITY.

IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ABILITY TO PROVIDE SPECIFICS ON RACIAL DIVERSITY, IN WHAT LEGAL IMPEDIMENTS, IF ANY EXISTS.

THAT HAPPENS HISTORICALLY, AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED HERE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE GREAT CITIES THAT I'VE TRAVELED TO NEW YORK CITY, SAN FRANCISCO AND LA, THEY SEEM TO HAVE THEIR LITTLE BREAK RACIAL COMMUNITIES, RACE COMMUNITIES THERE OF DIVERSITY.

AND I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW

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SO SOME OF THOSE DATES COMMISSIONER DO HAVE INCLUSIONARY ZONING AND THEY HAVE IN THEIR TOOLBOX THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THE, HOW IT'S COMPRISED IN TERMS OF THE RACIAL DIVERSITY.

UM, BUT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IN SOME OF THOSE STATES THAT YOU MENTIONED THERE IS ZONING THAT REQUIRES THAT THANK YOU.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

AND I BELIEVE MS. ERICA LEE CAN ALSO ADDRESS PART OF THAT GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, ERIC LEAK, I'M THAT DEVELOPMENT OFFICER WITH THAT HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND ONE THING THAT I WOULD NOTE IS THAT, UH, AS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, ONE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WAS TO REQUIRE AFFIRMATIVE MARKETING OF DENSITY BONUS UNITS, UM, IN BASICALLY TWO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.

SO, UM, WHEREAS THERE ARE FAIR HOUSING LIMITATIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU CAN SAY A PARTICULAR GROUP HAS PRIORITY, UM, AND THAT DOES GET INTO SOME, SOME COMPLEXITY THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT, BUT, UM, BUT YOU COULD REQUIRE AFFIRMATIVE MARKETING, UM, IN PARTICULAR AREAS, WHICH, WHICH WAS PROPOSED AS PART OF THE LDC REWRITE.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IS THERE ANY COMPONENT OF RIGHT TO RETURN OR THE WORK THAT WAS DONE HISTORICALLY TO LOOK AT DISPLACEMENT IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY APPLY TO DOWNTOWN, PARTICULARLY RAINY STREET? SO THE, THE CITY HAS LOOKED AT, UM, A POTENTIAL PREFERENCE POLICY, UH, WHICH IS SORT OF SIMILAR TO A RIGHT TO RETURN.

UM, AND IN THAT THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF IT IS THAT, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE POTENTIALLY BEEN DISPLACED WOULD HAVE, UM, A HIGHER PREFERENCE FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS AND THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS ACTUALLY GETTING READY TO PILOT THAT PREFERENCE POLICY FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, UM, THAT, THAT WE OWN.

UM, BUT WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO TEST AND MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICY, YOU KNOW, IS ACTUALLY IN BEFORE IT'S EXPANDED.

CAUSE I KNOW, I MEAN, JUST WITH DOWNTOWN HISTORICALLY, THERE HASN'T BEEN ALL THAT MUCH HOUSING.

SO CLEARLY WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE FULLY REPLACING, UM, UH, OLD STOCK WITH NEW STOCK, BUT IT SEEMS IF YOU COULD, UM, QUALIFY, UM, FOLKS WHO WERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN, UH, TO POTENTIALLY HAVE A RIGHT TO RETURN TO SOME OF THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS DOWNTOWN THAT WOULD HELP HOPEFULLY RESTORE SOME OF THAT RACIAL BALANCE.

UM, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T BE AS OVER, UM, I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA RELY ON COMMISSIONER WATLEY AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD MOVE THIS RESOLUTION RESOLUTION FORWARD WITHOUT ADDRESSING SOME OF HIS CONCERNS.

I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BART.

I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN KIND OF HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR ONE PROJECT TYPE AND SORTED OUT FROM A DIFFERENT PROJECT TYPE.

WELL, I'M OFF, I'M ON THE SPOT, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, AND UH, YOU KNOW, OVERALL I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S GONE ON TO THIS RESOLUTION AND THE WAY IT'S BEEN EDITED MAKES ME MORE COMFORTABLE.

I'VE ALWAYS AGREED WITH THE FINAL RESOLUTION OF THIS THIRD RESOLUTION PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE TIME WHAT'S MADE ME PRETTY UNCOMFORTABLE.

SOME OF THE WHEREAS IS, UM, THEY SEEMED A LITTLE TOO SPECIFIC TO CERTAIN SITUATIONS AND I THINK THEY'D BEEN REWORDED IN A WAY THAT'S BETTER.

YOU KNOW, I STILL THINK THAT ANYBODY COULD CHERRY PICK ONE OF THOSE, WHEREAS IS, AND SAY, SEE THE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN COMMISSION AGREES THAT THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM IS, IS CRAP, YOU KNOW, AND THESE GET IN THE WAY OF, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF TWIST THINGS, YOU KNOW, OUT OF CONTEXT AT THE TIME.

BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE I WAS ALWAYS HESITANT WITH A LOT OF THE WHEREAS IS, AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE BETTER AND

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SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF TREAT THIS GLOBALLY.

AND I MEAN, OVERALL BEYOND THE, WHEREAS AS A RESOLUTION, IT STATES A GOOD RESOLUTION.

UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME FACTORS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, UM, BY CITY STAFF AND, UH, AND THEN WHEREVER IT WAS, AND MY SCREEN I'VE LOST IT NOW, I WAS GOING TO REREAD THAT RESOLUTION AT FINAL RESOLUTION, BUT IT'S A GOOD ONE.

I THINK, UM, LIKE I SAY, IT'S JUST, I JUST, I JUST DON'T LIKE ANY, WHEREAS IT JUST SAYS SOMETHING, A BLANKET STATEMENT, LIKE MORE FEES ALWAYS INCREASE THE COST OF HOUSING.

CAUSE I THINK IT JUST SETS IT UP FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, SEE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE'VE GOT TO GET RID OF ALL FEES AND ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOP DEVELOPERS AND LET THE FREE MARKET OPERATE ON ITS OWN BECAUSE THE FREE MARKET OPERATING SONG IS THE ONLY WAY TO EFFICIENTLY PRODUCE HOUSING IN ANY KIND OF INTERVENTION.

AND GOVERNMENT REGULATION IS ONLY GOING TO INCREASE COSTS.

AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT A GUY FOR HUGE, BIG CUMBERSOME THE GOVERNMENT, BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, TO REALLY GET THE RIGHT LEVEL.

SO THESE DEEPER LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY WE NEED SUBSIDY, WE DO NEED A PROGRAM.

DO YOU NOT THINK MY PERSONAL OPINION, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE MARKET JUST BY ITSELF IS GOING TO GRAVITATE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, UH, DIVERSE, UM, BOTH ECONOMICALLY AND RACIALLY COMMUNITIES.

AND SO I THINK WE JUST DO HAVE TO TAKE SOME ACTION AND WHAT THE RIGHT FEE AMOUNT IS AND THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM AND THE RIGHT FAR CAPS OR WHATEVER.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

BUT I THINK THIS RESOLUTION IS ASKING STAFF TO STUDY THESE ISSUES.

AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I'D SAY I WAS GOOD WITH THE FINAL TWO SENTENCES ON, UH, ON THAT THIRD RESOLUTION.

WELL, THE ONE, THE ONE THAT I HAD A LITTLE PROBLEM WAS IT'S WHEREAS DEVELOPERS WILL NOT DISCLOSE PROJECT COSTS DUE TO POTENTIAL EXPOSURE.

AND THEREFORE THIS IS NOT THAT LIKELY AN ACCURATE COST BASIS ANALYSIS.

WELL, TO ME, IF THEY WANT, IF THEY WILL FUND AN INCREASE IN FAR, IF THEY WANT THE DENSITY BONUS, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY COULD BE JUST HONEST AND UPFRONT AND, AND KIND OF GIVE US THEIR INFORMATION.

AND I, AND I DO THINK THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY DISCLOSE, UH, TRANSACTION COSTS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, PEOPLE KIND OF SHARE WHY NO, MAYBE NOT EXACTLY, BUT THEY HAVE A GOOD IDEA, UM, ABOUT WHAT THE LAND COST IS AS A RATIO TO OTHER, OR JUST REALLY WHAT THE LAND COSTS WAS.

AND I THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, OTHER CITIES ARE DIFFERENT THAN AUSTIN, THERE ARE SOME PROBABLY, UH, UM, THERE'S A WAY TO KIND OF COME UP WITH A FORMULAS PRETTY EFFECTIVE, YOU KNOW, AND IT MAY NOT BE EXACT SO.

RIGHT.

I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU, IT KIND OF STATEMENT JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE SALES COST OF LAND MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF ANALYSIS ON, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF FEES IS REALLY KIND OF INVALID, YOU KNOW, IT, WELL, LET ME ASK JEN THE QUESTION.

I MEAN, I MEAN, THIS KIND OF IS SAYING THAT MAYBE THE DEVELOPERS, NOT MY BEACH, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE TRUTHFUL IS, IS THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION, THE INTENTION AND THE RESOLUTION GENERALLY WAS TO JUST KIND OF STEP BACK AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE, WE'RE RECALIBRATING BASED ON THIS STATEMENT FROM ECO NORTHWEST.

AND LET'S KIND OF, LET'S KIND OF EXAMINE THESE, THESE, THESE THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE BEING SAID IN THIS.

AND THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I HAVE MYSELF.

UM, AND THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT ARE NOT TRUE.

AND THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW ARE NOT BEING IMPLEMENTED CORRECTLY.

AND SO I TRIED TO GATHER A SHORT LIST THAT WOULD CATCH ATTENTION TO LIKE SOME OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT I THINK REALLY WE SHOULD BE EXPLORING.

AND AS FAR AS LIKE A DEVELOPER, NOT BEING HONEST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE IT'S EXPOSED OR LIKE I HAVE A SECURITIES ATTORNEY.

I, YOU KNOW, HE TELLS ME THINGS I'M ALLOWED TO SAY AND NOT SAY, AND THAT MY PARTNERSHIP THAT I PUT TO PROTECT MY INVESTORS, THERE'S A LOT MORE, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM, BUT I CANNOT BECAUSE THEY ANSWER JUST CASE STUDIES, BUT I HAVE TO PROTECT MY PARTNERSHIP.

SO IT'S NOT ABOUT NOT BEING HONEST, BUT, UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE CARRYING THE SAFETY OF AN ORGANIZATION, YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT LIKE I'M A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY WHERE YOU HAVE PUBLIC STATEMENTS, THESE ARE PRIVATE ENTITIES, THERE ARE PRIVATE AGREEMENTS GOING OVER IN AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S KIND OF BE PROTECTED IN HONOR.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE,

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BUT THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE WORD I SAID I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WAS I PREFACE IT BY SAYING I DON'T WORK FOR DEVELOPERS, BUT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO MAKE THE MOST MONEY FOR THEMSELVES.

AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY AND WE TALK ABOUT THE RACIAL DIVERSITY, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ON THERE.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S OUT IN THEIR MIND WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS.

SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP.

SO, SO CHAIR I'M WITH YOU, IF PERMISSION, WILDLY IS OKAY WITH THIS, I'M OKAY WITH IT TOO.

I'LL SECOND IT, IF HE, UH, IF HE, YEAH, YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW, TO BE HONEST ON MY, WHAT TO DO, IT'S LIKE, CAUSE I DO, LIKE, I THINK IN ONE SENSE, IT REALLY MAKES SENSE.

LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THESE UNIQUE ISSUES, LIKE THE CONDO PROJECT, HAVING HOTEL FINANCING, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE PROJECT LIKE THAT, THAT I KNOW OF DOWNTOWN AND YOU'RE MAYBE THERE'S MORE OF THESE TO COME AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THAT PROJECT.

UM, IT'S NOT A REASON TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT CHARGE A FEE, UH, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, DO A DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.

THERE'S SOME NEW PROJECT TYPES LIKE THAT.

SO I GUESS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, IT'S WHERE DOES THIS TAKE, YOU KNOW, STAFF OR WHERE DOES THIS TAKE US AS A CITY? YOU KNOW? AND IF THESE THINGS ARE ANALYZED AND SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THIS HAPPENS, THERE'S A WAY WE GET COMMUNITY BENEFITS STILL AND WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE OF IT.

THEN MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD THING.

BUT IF THIS IS KIND OF, IF THIS KIND OF SETS UP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL SAY, SEE, WE, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, ASKING ANYTHING OF DEVELOPER AND SIMONE KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLE STUFF.

I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW THE RESOLUTION WOULD THEY USED.

UM, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, REALLY SPECIFIC INSIGHTS AND COMMISSIONER AND WEAVER IS PUT INTO THIS.

AND THESE ARE REAL THINGS THAT DO NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT IT JUST MAKES US STRONGER.

DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM HELPS US ACHIEVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, DOWNTOWN AUSTIN AND GREATER DIVERSITY, RIGHT? IF THIS IS ADOPTED CHAIR, CAN I ASK YOU, I MEAN, HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT THAT? WHAT STAFF HAS DONE ALREADY? I MEAN, IS THIS A LIVING DOCUMENT OR THIS GOING TO BE A SET DOCUMENT? WELL, THIS IS A SEPARATE ASK FROM WHAT STAFF IS CURRENTLY DOING IN A WAY.

I MEAN, THEY, THEY ARE, THEY HAVE BEEN DIRECTED BY COUNCIL TO, TO RECALIBRATE THE FEES.

UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY I THINK WHAT, WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION? AND WHAT I APPRECIATE IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST SAYING, HOW DO WE GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN? IT'S SAYING EVEN WHEN WE BUILD AFFORDABLE UNITS, DOWNTOWN ARE LOW INCOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY MOVING INTO THOSE UNITS.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT, WHY ARE THEY NOT? THERE'S BARRIERS TO THAT? SO BUILDING IT IS NOT ENOUGH IF THEY'RE UNOCCUPIED AND CORRECT GONNA BE UNOCCUPIED LIKE IN THIS SCENARIO.

AND PERHAPS IT'S JUST BETTER TO GET THE FEE AND USE THAT TO BUILD HOUSING SOMEWHERE ELSE, INSTEAD OF REQUIRING THAT PROJECT TO DO ONSITE AFFORDABLE, THAT WILL NEVER BE OCCUPIED AND THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, IN THIS.

AND THAT'S WHY I ADDED MY LITTLE PARAGRAPH ABOUT, BECAUSE I HEARD THAT SOME OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ARE NOT BEING OCCUPIED FOR SOME KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES.

AND THAT THAT'S REALLY SAD.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GO TO THE, THEY GO TO THE POINT OF BUILDING THESE UNITS AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO AFFORD THE PEOPLE THAT NEED AFFORDABLE UNITS CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY I ADDED THAT SENTENCE THAT I DID.

AND THEN, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT I WROTE.

UM, SO THERE'S A CONDO PROJECT THAT HAS ONSITE AFFORDABLE THAT WAS MADE THROUGH BEST OFFER.

IT'S, ON-SITE AFFORDABLE.

IT HAS PERMITTED AS A CONDO AND IT HAS HOTEL FINANCING IN THE BYLAWS OF THE CONDO TO COMPLY WITH THE HOTEL FINANCING.

THAT MUST BE A SECOND HOME.

HOW CAN SOMEONE BE INCOME QUALIFIED AND ALSO HAVE A SECOND HOME IF THEY'RE NOT BEING USED? SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.

AND SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S A CALL FOR EFFICACY OF THE PROGRAM LIKE COMMISSIONER CARROLL SAID.

UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT OF THAT ONE, MAYBE THIS SOLUTION REALLY NEEDS, UM, KIND OF ADDED TO IT IS, IS OVERALL.

THIS IS WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE THE DESIGN COMMISSION RECOMMENDS.

WE GO, LIKE WE'RE COMMITTED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ALL COMMUNITIES, EVEN DOWNTOWN, OR IF OUR ATTITUDE IS MORE FOR SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN REALLY JUST DOESN'T BELONG

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THERE.

I THINK SOMEONE COULD TAKE THIS RESOLUTION AROUND EITHER DIRECTION, WHETHER THEY CAN SAY, SEE, HERE'S SO MANY EXAMPLES OF WHY WE CAN'T REALLY BE DOING IT DOWNTOWN.

AND SOMEONE ELSE COULD SAY, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF THINGS WE REALLY NEED TO TACKLE TO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE PROGRAM AND TO GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T ADDED ANY KIND OF ATTITUDE INTO THIS DOCUMENT OTHER THAN JUST PRESENTING, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME REAL SPECIFIC EXAMPLES THAT ARE GOOD EXAMPLES, AND THEN ASKING THE CITY MANAGER TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO IT.

YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS RESOLUTION IS SAY NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BELONGS DOWNTOWN, THERE'S TOO MANY CHALLENGES THAT I'M KIND OF, I DON'T LIKE THE RESOLUTION, BUT IF IT SAYS THERE'S SOME REAL CHALLENGES AND THE NEED TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL TYPES OF HOUSING FOR ALL TYPES OF PEOPLE AND ALL TYPES OF PLACES, BUT I'M FOLLOWING THE RESOLUTION.

OH, YOU KNOW, I WAS AFTER OUR MEETING LAST TWO WEEKS AGO, I READ WHAT THE BUSINESS JOURNAL AND WHAT THE AUSTIN MONITOR AND AUSTIN TOWERS SAID ABOUT OUR RESOLUTIONS.

AND THEY PRETTY MUCH UNIFORM WE STATED, OR AT THE DESIGN COMMISSION, UH, DUMPED ALL OVER THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND SO THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION WE'LL GET RID OF WE'LL GET, GET REPORTED IN THE JOURNAL IN THE MONITOR AND AUSTIN TOWERS THE SAME WAY.

SO I'M REAL LEERY ABOUT OUR ONE STEPPING OUTSIDE OUR DESIGN PER VIEW, BUT SECOND GIVING, GIVING PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHERRY PICK SOME OF THESE WHERE AS-IS, AND I'M JUST REAL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

OH, I'M JUST KIND OF SHOOTING FROM THE HIP HERE, BUT WHAT IF WE WERE TO ADD AWARE AS IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, WHEREAS PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN IS ESSENTIAL TO CREATING A VIBRANT AND DIVERSE COMMUNITY AS AN INQUIRY TO THAT, TO, TO, TO, TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN.

UM, AND I MEAN, WE COULD ALSO ADD LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE SUPPORT THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

I THINK EVERYONE HERE SUPPORTS THE PROGRAM.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER.

IT CAN BE BETTER.

I LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'M READING THE SAME NEWS ARTICLES.

THEY'RE SAYING DESIGN COMMISSIONERS IN FAVOR OF LIFTING ALL FAR CAPS AND DEVELOP TO THE MAX EVERYWHERE.

AND YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE BUILD HOUSING, THE MORE IT CAN TRICKLE THE LUXURY UNITS CAN TRICKLE DOWN TO THE POOR.

AND I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IN TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, BEING, THERE'S NO CONFUSION.

WE ARE FOR, YOU KNOW, A STRONG DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM THAT'S PROPERLY CALIBRATED.

WE ARE FOR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, EVEN DOWNTOWN AREAS.

AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF NIP IT IN THE BUD.

SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE GETTING REAL EXCITED TRYING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON THEIR SIDE AND THEIR SIDE, YOU KNOW, LUXURY ONLY DOWNTOWN AND OTHER PARTS OF TOWN TRICKLE DOWN TO THOSE IN NEED.

WOW.

YEAH, I AGREE WITH WHAT ART JUST SAID.

YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE WE COULD HAVE THAT CHAIR PROCESS AND WE COULD ALSO MAKE DOWNTOWN A SEPARATE ENTITY TO WHERE THEIR FEES MIGHT BE HIGHER.

SO WE COULD GO INTO A LAND BANK THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE LAND BANKS, YOU KNOW, LAND BANK AND, AND HOUSING OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, WHERE WE COULD GET THAT DIVERSITY AND THAT, THAT, THAT MIX THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA FOR IT IF THEY CAN'T PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT, UH, MOST OTHER RACES CANNOT AFFORD BECAUSE THAT'S MY BIG ISSUE IS JUST RACIAL THOUGH.

I DON'T WANT DOWNTOWN JUST SPEEDING, LITERALLY WHITE PLACE.

LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THAT JUST BECOMING, AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY AT ALL THAT WE CAN KIND OF INCLUDE THAT IN AND PUT IT ON THE DEVELOPERS TO KIND OF INCENTIVIZE THEM.

OKAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT EXTRA, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BUY SOME LAND OUT THERE IN EAST AUSTIN OR WHEREVER THEY THINK ELMAN, WHEREVER IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE TO PRODUCE.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SAD SITUATION TO ME.

CAUSE I LIKE TO SEE OUR DOWNTOWN BE RACIAL DIVERSE, BUT IF THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, AT LEAST WE CAN GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK AND DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE OR WE CAN AFFORD TO DO IT.

THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF IT.

I'M SURE I DO LIKE YOUR, WHEREAS YOU ADDED, UM, YEAH, I CAN, I JUST QUICKLY,

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AGAIN, JUST SHOOT FROM THE HIP HERE ADDED A SECOND ONE.

WHEREAS THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM IS AN ESSENTIAL TOOL FOR SUPPORTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO SOME, SOME STATEMENT TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM ITSELF.

WHAT ABOUT ADDING A LINE? THAT'S KIND OF JUST NOTING THAT THIS IS INTENDED TO ASSESS AND IMPROVE THE PROGRAM IT'S INTENDED TO TEST, ASSESS AND IMPROVE THE PROGRAM.

UM, AND THEN MAYBE SOMETHING ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND IMPLEMENTATION, W W WHICH, UH, ISSUE WHICH SHOW, WHEREAS IS THAT, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION RIGHT NOW? UM, YES.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ADDING, ADDING SOME RESOLUTIONS TO CLARIFY SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.

UM, I DIDN'T QUITE GET THE LAST ONE THAT PARISHIONER WEAVER SAID.

UH, UH, SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION ON THE CONDO PROJECT AND WE WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING AT THE END, UH, THAT, UM, ASSESSING IMPLEMENTATION IS CRITICAL TO EFFICACY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT OF POINTING THAT OUT? WHAT'S YOUR OUTLOOK? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF WE WANT TO VOTE ON THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK I HOPE THAT MAYBE WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER DRAFT THAT KIND OF INCORPORATES.

SO WILDLIFE COMMISSIONER, WHILE LEAST TOM ANTS IN MY COMMENTS TOO, AND THEN PASS IT ON, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT AS IT IS, UM, TIMELINE TO GET THIS OVER.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS SOMEWHAT TIME SENSITIVE.

I MEAN, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

IF, IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS OVER TO COUNCIL, UH, BEFORE STAFF COMES BACK WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS STAFF IS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, UM, AROUND THE TIME OF OUR NEXT MEETING.

SO IF WE WAIT UNTIL NEXT MONTH, THEN IT'S PROBABLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I SAY IT'S TOO LATE, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY NOT IDEAL, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, ERIC LEEK, AGAIN, JUST AS AN UPDATE, UM, COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING CONSIDERING THE RECALIBRATION OF THE FEES AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 30TH COUNT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S A FEW DAYS AFTER OUR NEXT MEETING.

SO, I MEAN, WE CAN PUSH IT UNTIL THEN, BUT, UM, IT JUST MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO GET IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BEFORE THEY HAVE THAT MEETING, TRYING TO FIND ME.

YES, JORGE, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

JUST TO REMIND THE COMMISSION, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME TO PROVIDE BACKUP TO THE COUNCIL.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST DOING IT THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE COUNCIL BECAUSE IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET BACK UP TO COUNCIL.

WE'D HAVE TO BE LAID BACK UP AND THERE WAS A LOT OF LOGISTICAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.

OBVIOUSLY IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THIS TILL NEXT MONTH, THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE.

HOWEVER, IT WILL MAKE IT CHALLENGING FOR US TO PROVIDE THAT WITH SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME FOR CO FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REVIEW THAT BACKUP.

YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY GIVING THEM ABOUT TWO DAYS TO REVIEW.

THE, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO HAVE ANOTHER SPECIAL CALLED MEETING LIKE WE DID BEFORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NEED A COMMITMENT OR A QUORUM OF THE COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK, BUT I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO THAT.

THAT'S THE ROUTE WE WANT TO GO.

IS IT POSSIBLE SHARE THE SCREEN TONIGHT

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TO JUST SEE IF WE CAN SEE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THEN IF WE CAN ALL GET ONBOARD? YEAH, BECAUSE I DO FROM TIMING, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS RESOLUTION ASKS SOME REALLY KEY, IMPORTANT QUESTIONS TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HIS STAFF.

AND I HONESTLY DON'T THINK IF, YOU KNOW, EVEN A MONTH IS ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY PUT TOGETHER A THOUGHTFUL STUDY OR TAKE IT, HAVE A THOUGHTFUL STUDY AND PUT TOGETHER A THOUGHTFUL RESPONSE AND HAVE COUNSEL BE ABLE TO DIGEST IT AND THINK ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A LOT IN HERE.

UM, AND, UH, SO, UM, I'M ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO WORK ON THE SCREEN FOR A LITTLE BIT, I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR ME PERSONALLY, THESE WERE ASSETS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED THAT WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, ASSESS AND IMPROVE THE PROGRAM AND ADD ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE PREMISE OF THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM IS SOMETHING WE BELIEVE IN, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS HAS BEEN OFFERED, MAKE ME FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE, UM, WITH IT.

AND, AND I REALLY LIKED THAT BECAUSE IN MY MIND, A LITTLE BIT, WHAT I SEE IN THE COMMUNITY IS THERE'S REALLY KIND OF TWO BASIC CAMPS.

ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE MOST EFFICIENT AND LOWEST PRICES BY GETTING THE WAY UP, GETTING, GET OUT OF THE WAY OF THE FREE MARKET, YOU KNOW, ON ANOTHER WIZ THAT YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF A GUIDING HAND, UH, IN THE MARKET FROM TIME TO TIME, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, SO I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS KIND OF HOW DOES THE DESIGN COMMISSION FEEL? YOU KNOW, DO WE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, ANY RULE OR REGULATION, JUST A STUMBLING BLOCK FOR, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE MOST DIVERSE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR DO WE FEEL LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A HAND AS NEEDED, YOU KNOW, TO KINDA GUIDE, UM, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AT TIMES AND ASSIST WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, RAISING SOME FUNDS, IT COULD BE USED TO SUBSIDIZE SOME DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

AND SO IF THAT COULD BE CLEANER RESOLUTION, WHICHEVER WAY WE FEEL IS THE DESIGN COMMISSION.

I THINK THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT AND COMMISSIONER WALLY, I THINK MY, MY THOUGHT WASN'T THAT, UM, THE STAFF WOULD BE TO DO THIS ASSESSMENT BEFORE THE END OF NEXT MONTH.

IT WAS IT'S JUST TO GET IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, THAT BY THE TIME THEY HAVE THAT MEETING NEXT MONTH, COUNCIL CONVENED, DIRECT STAFF.

EAT A TEST GRADE AND POSTPONE THE CALIBRATION AND DO THIS ASSESSMENT AS PART OF THAT, UH, THIS BEFORE THE DECISION IS MADE ON THE CALIBRATION.

NOT NECESSARILY TO DO THIS WORK IN A MONTH BECAUSE I KNOW IN A MONTH, YEAH.

THERE'S, THERE'S AT LEAST SIX MONTHS WORTH OF WORK BY MULTIPLE STAFF MEMBERS TO, UH, RESPOND TO THIS RESOLUTION.

AND, UH, THE QUESTIONS THAT IT RAISES ARE THAT GOOD.

AND, UH, I LIKE TO DO IT RIGHT AS CAN TAKE SOME TIME.

SO WHERE DID WE LAND ON THIS? DO, DO WE WANT TO TRY TO HAVE THIS MOTION IF HE MAKES A MOTION TO PROCEED? YEAH.

THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY VERY ACCURATE INPUTS AND THEREFORE THE RESULTS ARE SKEWED BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I GET THAT RIGHT.

CHARITY, DID YOU, DID YOU JOT DOWN, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AWARE AS, AND COMMISSIONER WEAVERS SO SUGGESTED, WHEREAS THAT YOU COULD READ AGAIN OR SURE.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT PERFECT, BUT THE THREE THAT I HAVE SCRIBBLED DOWN IS WHEREAS PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN IS NEEDED TO CREATE A VIBRANT AND DIVERSE COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM IS AN ESSENTIAL TOOL OR SUPPORTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND WHEREAS ASSESSING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ON-SITE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NEEDED TO IMPROVE THE DOWNTOWN BUSY BONUS PROGRAM.

I LIKE ALL THREE OF THOSE.

AND I HAD THE ONE ABOUT DEVELOPERS WILL NOT DISCLOSE PROJECT COSTS.

AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE THAT SOUND A LITTLE BIT LIKE MAYBE THEY SHOULD.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

THAT JUST MAKES IT SOUND SO THIS, I MEAN, THIS JUST ADDS THIS FACTORY IN HERE THAT I CAN'T TRUST DEVELOP FOR SETS OFF.

NO, I MEAN, THE POINT IS WE'RE BASING FEES AROUND A STUDY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT, I WAS JUST QUESTIONING THE BASIS.

NOT THAT I, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMPARING IT TO SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK IS NECESSARILY REAL, NOT REAL.

AND SO THAT'S THE POINT OF, OF SAYING NOT OKAY, WELL, MY SON, IT IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? PROJECT COSTS ARE THAT THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE.

SO WHY CAN'T THEY DISCLOSE US? RIGHT? THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL CALIBRATION, UH, WAS BASED ON CERTAIN INPUTS INTO THE MODEL AND THOSE INPUTS INCLUDED PROJECT COSTS.

AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS

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COMMISSIONER WEAVER, IF THAT IS JUST KIND OF POINTING THAT OUT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT YOUR MODEL IS ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR INPUTS, RIGHT.

IT'S JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE AN ENERGY MODEL OR ANYTHING ELSE.

SO NOBODY SHOULD BE BASED ON TRUE INFORMATION.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BEST YEAH.

UH, BOTHERS THAT STILL BOTHERS ME THE WEEKEND.

MOVE ON FROM THAT.

THE ONLY OTHER ONE I WOULD CHANGE, UM, IS THE THIRD, WHEREAS IT SAYS INCREASING COSTS THROUGH CITY FEET ALLOWS US DEVELOPERS TO CHARGE OUR RENT IMPLIES THAT IT JUST ALWAYS HAPPENS.

SO MAYBE IT SHOULD BE SAYING, WHEREAS INCREASING COSTS THROUGH CITY FEES CAN CAUSE DEVELOPERS TO CHARGE MEANING THAT IT MAY HAPPEN, BUT IT MAY NOT.

WELL THEN ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT? I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MOVE FOR ADOPTION, UH, AS, AS AMENDED.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? WE'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE.

THAT'S IT? WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE THAT JOINED US, UH, COMMISSIONER LUKINS I, FOR SURE.

HER COLEMAN, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.

THAT, AND I SURE YOUR CALL COMMENT.

ARE YOU STILL THERE? YES.

CAN I, I CAN HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

SORRY, JUST UNDER AN HOUR LATER, I MISS YOUR MINORS.

SURE, SURE.

TANA GUCCI.

HI, HOLLY.

AND I AM AN EYE THAT PASSES.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

YOU WILL MOVE ON TO NEXT ITEM TO SEE UPDATE FROM REPRESENTATIVE ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION REGARDING LAST MEETING.

AYE.

NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST MEETING.

MY APOLOGIES.

UH, THEN TWO D UPDATE FROM REPRESENTATIVE ON THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY MITTY REGARDING LAST MEETING, WE HAVE NOT MET SINCE OUR LAST DESIGN COMMISSION MEETING.

UH, OUR NEXT MEETING IS ACTUALLY THIS WEDNESDAY, SO I'LL UPDATE EVERYONE NEXT MONTH.

ITEM TWO E UPDATE FROM REPRESENTATIVE ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD.

DON'T BELIEVE, UH, COMMISSIONER OF YEAR.

SO NO UPDATE ON THAT, EITHER.

CLARIFY ME.

UH, YES, GO AHEAD.

JUST A SUGGESTION TO CONSIDER.

WOULD YOU LIKE US TO RESTRUCTURE THESE AGENDA ITEMS? JUST TO HAVE UPDATES FROM APPOINTED COMMISSIONER MEMBERS TO VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE AND THERE'S NO NEED TO SINGLE OUT MEMBERS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE A MEETING OR NOT MAKE A MEETING, JUST MAKE IT GENERAL SO THAT ANY COMMISSIONER WHO WISHES TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE, MAYBE HE ABLE TO DO SO.

YEAH, THAT WORKS.

WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE.

NEXT SECTION.

THEN MOVING ON, ITEM THREE, A CHAIR ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[3a. Chair Announcements;]

I DO HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT AND IT'S JUST

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AN UPDATE FOR EVERYONE ON THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

I HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT RECENTLY, BUT FOR THE UP FOR THE UPDATE, THE PLAN THAT WE DID, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID APPROVE IT AND IT IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK.

SO, UH, FINGERS CROSSED.

THEY ADOPT THAT NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

SO EXCITING ITEM THREE,

[3b. Items from Commission Members;]

B ITEMS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS BARELY HAVE ANY CHAIR.

QUIET.

I HAVE A QUESTION I SAW IN THE AIA MEETING, WE HAD THE BOARD MEETING.

YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE, UH, THE REGULATION WITH AUSTIN ENERGY ABOUT THERE'S SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT SETBACK FROM THEIR LINES.

AND I WAS PERSONALLY, UH, PERSONALLY INTERESTED BECAUSE I I'VE BEEN HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME WITH THAT.

AND CAN YOU GIVE ME, CAN YOU GIVE THE COMMISSION A UPDATE ON WHAT THAT MEANS? UM, YEAH, THE, THE SHORT OF IT IS THE, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY HAD A, UH, UH, A RULE IN PLACE THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAD A SETBACK OF SEVEN AND A HALF FEET FROM THEIR ENERGIZED LINE AND S AND THEN JULY, MAYBE I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT EFFECTIVE DATE.

THEY CREATED A NEW RULE RULE THAT INCREASED THE, THE SETBACK TO 15 FEET.

AND, UM, BECAUSE IT'S AUSTIN ENERGY, THEY JUST SORT OF MADE THE RULE AND ENFORCED IT.

AND THERE WAS NO PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS.

UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS BEEN A COALITION OF THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, AND I BELIEVE RICA WAS INVOLVED IN, UH, APPEALING THAT RULE.

AND THAT'S THE LAST I'VE HEARD OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPEAL HAS HAPPENED.

UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YEAH, THE RULES BEING ENFORCED, AS FAR AS I KNOW, ON ALL PROJECTS, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, 15 FEET OR SEVEN AND A HALF FEET, 15 FEET.

OH GOSH.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S DRASTIC.

AND ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THINKING OF, UH, ESPECIALLY LIKE 80 USE ON ALLEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IT PRETTY MUCH WIPES OUT, UM, THAT THOSE PROJECTS.

BUT THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS IS THAT IT'S USUALLY RIGHT WHERE THE POWER LINE IS.

RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN'T BUILD UNDER A POWER LINE.

AUSTIN ENERGY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST AND WENT TO THE SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT RULE.

AND THAT'S REALLY AFFECTED ONE OF MY PROJECTS EXCLUSIVELY BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT CLEAR WHERE THAT SEVEN AND A HALF FEET IS.

THEY HAVE IT'S 15 FEET.

I THINK THAT'S A REAL CONSTITUTIONAL, I MEAN, YOU'VE TAKEN OVER WITHOUT HAVING A REAL SETBACK.

RIGHT.

SET OFFICIALLY.

YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T BILL WITHIN 15 FEET OF WHERE THE POWER LINE IS NOW.

SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL ARE GOING THROUGH, BUT I THINK THE SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT THING IS KIND OF RIDICULOUS IN ITSELF.

I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER PIECES TO THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE ARE LIKE OSHA SETBACKS AS WELL, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SAFETY ISSUES.

AND THERE HAVE BEEN EXAMPLES WHERE, UM, FRANKLY PEOPLE IN AUSTIN HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES, UH, BEING ELECTROCUTED, WORKING TOO CLOSE TO THESE LINES.

SO IT DEFINITELY SETBACKS ARE NEEDED.

UM, BUT YES, THEY'RE THERE.

THE, I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE WAS THERE WAS NEVER ANY DISCUSSION, UM, ABOUT HOW THIS AFFECTS, UH, HOUSING SUPPLY AND AFFORDABILITY AND WHERE 15 FEET COMES FROM SINCE IT'S EXCESSIVE TO OSHA REQUIREMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE.

UH, SO THERE'S A LOT FOR ME, BUT FOR ME, IF IT'S SEVEN AND A HALF FEET OR 15 FEET, ALSO AN ENERGY HAS TO GO IN, CREATE AN EASTMAN FOR THAT.

THEY CAN'T ASSUME THAT ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING ON THEIR LOT WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT RULE MEANS.

AND I'VE REALLY GOTTEN SCREWED BY THAT IN THE LESS ON MY LAST PROJECT.

SO YEAH, AUSTIN D SCHOOL MAN, THEIR EASEMENT, AND MAKE THAT CLEAR AND NOT JUST LEAVE IT UP TO THE LANDOWNER, JUST SAY, HEY, SEVEN AND A HALF TO SEVEN AND A HALF FEET, YOU KNOW, AND HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT? SO I, I WAS GLAD TO HEAR AI.

IT WAS DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A FOOLISH RULE THAT YOU CAN JUST PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE AND NOT JUST HAVE, UH, AMANDA HAVE A SITE PLANS THAT SAY, THIS IS THE EASEMENT FOR YOU PER AUSTIN ENERGY.

THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO TELL YOU.

THEY'RE SORT OF RETROACTIVELY ENFORCING IT THAT IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND YOU SUBMIT A PERMIT, UH, FOR A PROPERTY, THEN THEY MAKE YOU, UM, BRING THAT STRUCTURE UP TO COMPLIANCE, WHICH HAS MEANT, IN SOME CASES I'VE HEARD OF DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, TO, TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.

I AGREE.

AND I'M ACTUALLY HEARING NOW

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SO YEAH, I'M, I'M HEARING A LOT OF, A LOT OF HORROR STORIES.

UM, SO WE'LL SEE HOW IT, HOW IT WORKS OUT.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ISSUES TO DISCUSS, UM, AND A QUESTION ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY, UH, COMMISSION SLASH GENERAL URBAN, UM, HAS THERE BEEN MUCH CONVERSATION AROUND RESILIENCE AND HOW ARE WE INCORPORATING THAT INTO KIND OF THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN? IS, HAS THERE BEEN MUCH DISCUSSION OR, OR NOT SO MUCH? UH, AS FAR AS ON THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION.

AND I KNOW THAT, UM, THE CITY ITSELF IS KIND OF WORKING ON THAT.

UM, IT'S, I WOULDN'T CALL IT A TOP PRIORITY, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY BECOME ONE OF THE PRIORITY, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE WINTER STORM.

DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S A TIMELINE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESILIENCE HUB PROGRAM AND THE RESILIENCE BUILDING PROGRAM? I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I COULD FIND OUT.

[3c. Items from City Staff;]

THREE C ITEMS FROM CITY STAFF, UH, REAL QUICK CHAIR.

I JUST WANT TO DISCUSS BRIEFLY THE, UH, AT FORD, AN EMAIL TO YOU FROM CITY CLERK'S OFFICE REGARDING THE IN-PERSON MEETINGS STARTING NEXT MONTH, AS OF NOW, UH, PER THE ORDER OF THE GOVERNOR MEETINGS WILL BE OCCURRING IN PERSON.

UM, THAT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS, UH, NEWS CONTINUES TO UPDATE WITH REGARDS TO THE PANDEMIC.

UM, BUT THERE IS AN OPTION AND I WOULD NEED TO READ IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT THIS OPTION, BUT I WANTED TO CALL IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS FAR AS THE HYBRID MEETING, UH, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE EMISSION, WHERE ESSENTIALLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MEMBERS WOULD ATTEND IN PERSON.

AND THEN A PORTION OF THE COMMISSION CAN DO IT REMOTELY.

UM, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A QUORUM IN ORDER FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.

WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A QUORUM IN PERSON OR THAT MEETING TO ACTUALLY COUNT.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

I DID SEND AN EMAIL FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE THAT DETAILS, UH, LED WITH THAT HYBRID MEETING IS, AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME.

I'LL I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

I IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO BE A COMPLETE MESS AS THE CITY TRIES TO SCRAMBLE, TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.

UM, ESPECIALLY FINDING DAYS AND TIMES.

UM, THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, UH, ENSURING THAT, THAT WE COULD EVEN GET A QUORUM AND ENSURING THAT, UM, WE HAVE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO, TO HAVE A QUORUM IN TWO.

SO YEAH.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I HOPE THEY GIVE PRIORITY TO HIGH RISK STANDARD DISLIKE ME.

I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE ON THE COMMISSION, BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO DENY THE, OH, MAYBE DAN, BUT, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO OPEN A BIG PUBLIC MEETING WHEN I'M A HIGH RISK CANDIDATE, BUT YEAH, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT EMAIL AND, UH, AND THEN CIRCLE BACK AND CHAT ABOUT IT.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL FOR ME.

AND AS I SAID, AS, AS I'M SURE WE WILL CONTINUE TO GET UPDATES, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER IN ANY UPDATE THAT I GET WITH REGARDS TO WHERE AND HOW WE'LL BE MEETING, I'LL BE SURE TO, UM, SHARE THAT WITH YOU GUYS.