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OKAY.

IT IS 6:32 PM.

[Independent Citizen's Redistricting Commission]

WE HAVE NINE OUT OF 14 COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW THE ORDER OF THE INDEPENDENT CITIZENS REDISTRICTING COMMISSION MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST, NOT ME.

PLEASE DO MORRIS.

PARDON? SNYDER.

DEMPSEY.

IT'S ALL THOSE PLANS.

THE CAMBA HOLD THE WRONG ONE DOES.

AND HE'S THERE.

CAN YOU TAKE US THROUGH TODAY'S AGENDA? OKAY.

SO THE THREE DISTRICT COMMISSION, THE MEETING GOAL DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC FORUMS AND MAPPING PROCESS RECEIVE UPDATES FROM BROOKLYN GROUP SUBCOMMITTEES VACATION.

WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP MR. LEWIS, NUMBER ONE, ATTRIBUTE TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS STAGE MAY DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY.

DISCUSSION ON MAPPING PROCESS MAPPING SPECIALIST PRESENTATION ON CITY DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, EIGHT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER CONVERSATIONS TO BE UPDATE FROM PUBLIC FORUM.

WORKING GROUP DISCUSSION OF CALENDAR CHANGES BE TO DISCUSSION ON BETTER WAY TO INTEGRATE.

AND THE TRUST QUESTIONS ASKED BY PUBLIC AND PUBLIC FORUMS TO SEE UPDATE DISCUSSION IDEAS, TO UTILIZE SURPLUS OF FUNDS BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2021 ITEM THREE NEW BUSINESS ICRC BEING DISCUSSED TO TAKE ACTION ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS, A REVIEW OF THE ICRC VALUES AND NORMS UPDATE FROM COMMUNICATIONS WORKING GROUP SAY UPDATE FINAL REPORT.

SO COMMITTEE THE HOUSEKEEPING AND THEN FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, RIGHT? SO WE'LL BEGIN TO CITIZEN AND MATT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER.

YOU SAID JUST A REMINDER.

IF THE SPEAKER COULD JUST CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND WHICH DISTRICT YOU RESIDE, WE WELCOME ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OUR MEETING TONIGHT.

AND WE JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT CITIZEN COMMUNICATION IS RESERVED FOR THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA, AND IT'S NOT INTERRUPT LATER.

AGENDA ITEMS. IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE HOLD THEM TILL THE END.

IT'S REALLY LOUD.

SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR.

YES, I'M SPEAKING AS LOUD AS I CAN AND TO FIND MASK OFF SO YOU CAN HEAR ME.

OF COURSE, I THINK THERE'LL BE YELLING.

GO AHEAD, MR. LEWIS, UM, FRED LOUIS, I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE REPRESENTING, UH, NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION.

I HAVEN'T BEEN AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN FINANCE EXPERT FOR 20 YEARS AND LAWYER I'M HERE AS A RESOURCE BECAUSE I WROTE THE INDUSTRY CHARTER WOMEN WITH HEALTH PROFESSOR THICKER STEP AND THE COMMUNITY VERY INVOLVED AS I THINK THAT'S TRUE OF BEFORE.

THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO WRITE BOOKS, WROTE THE LINES THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN SELF-INTEREST REASONS.

SO I'M WANTING TO TELL YOU WHAT THE TWO MAIN PURPOSES OF THE COMMISSION ARE.

THE MOST IMPORTANT WAS TO PROTECT THE VOTING RIGHTS OF HISTORICALLY MINORITY COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE OF COLOR.

AND THERE IS A LONG HISTORY IN AUSTIN, DISENFRANCHISE IN VARIOUS MECHANISMS, UH, PEOPLE OF COLOR.

THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE GOAL.

AND I'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU WHERE THAT IS IN THE STATURE OF THE CHARTER.

THE SECOND, HOWEVER, IT WAS THROUGH ENSURE FAIR REPRESENTATION AND VOTING RIGHTS FOR ALL PEOPLE.

AND WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT IS MANY PARTS OF ALL OF WHATEVER ETHNICITY, RACE, OR INCOME EITHER HAD ONE COUNCIL MEMBER OF OVER

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FIFTH YEARS OR NONE PLACES DOWN SOUTH PLACES UP NORTH.

UM, AND IT WAS TO ENSURE THAT THEIR VOICE IN COMMUNITY ALSO REPRESENTED REVEREND LANE.

SO ARE YOU, UM, SO THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO IN BOTH THAT THOSE ARE IMPORTANT.

SO THE FIRST THING ABOUT HOW IT WORKS IS GET IMPARTIAL PEOPLE ON WHO ARE NOT A HOLDEN, BUT THE SECOND ONE IS CRUCIAL, WHICH IS WHAT I REALLY WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT HERE IS VERY STRICT CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW BASED ON THE CHARTER, ACTED BY THE VOTERS.

SO WHAT ADVICE STAYED UP THIS? I DON'T KNOW IF I PASSED OUT IT'S PAGE TWO AND THE ONE I UNDERLINED IS THE ONE ABOUT YOUR IMPARTIALITY, BUT A SECTION OF MANAGERS AND PARTIALS, AND THEN BRINGING THE FORCES OF PUBLIC COMPETENCE IN THE INTEGRITY OF THE REDISTRIBUTE AND OTHER WORDS THAT YOU WILL PICK YOUR BEST OFF OF THIS CHARTER AND ENHANCE DEMOCRACY IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN AUSTIN.

AND LET ME SAY THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF DUDES OF OUR DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS.

WHEN I WROTE THIS BEFORE, WHAT IS HAPPENING? DEMOCRACY IS VERY FRAGILE AS WE WANT IT.

THE SECOND THING THOUGH, IS THE CRITERIA, WHICH IS DEEP.

IT SAID YOU MUST FOLLOW THEM.

AND IT SAYS THE LORD AND WANTING TO, OR THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, THE CONSTITUTION, AND THAT IS THERE PROTECT HISTORICAL MINORITIES.

YOU HAVE VERY FINE LAWYERS.

UH, I KNOW MR. RICHARDS, WELL, WELL, IT DOESN'T REMEMBER ME BECAUSE I WAS ABOUT 20 YEARS OLD WHEN HE LAST MET ME, BUT YOU HAVE VERY FINE LAWYERS WHO CAN HELP YOU ON WHAT THOSE THINGS BE.

BUT THEY'RE THERE IN THE HIGHEST ORDER IN ORDER TO PROTECT MINORITIES AND PEOPLE OF COLOR AFTER THAT, THE CRITERIA ARE REQUIRED IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER.

AND THIS IS IF YOU DON'T LIKE DIVIDE IT UP, SO YOU CAN JUST TAKE LITTLE POCKETS, EXTERIOR ART, AND THEN YOUR LAWYERS CAN DISCUSS WHAT LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR LOCAL COMMUNITY INTERESTS.

BUT IT'S THINGS LIKE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY GENERALLY HAVE AN AFFINITY, WHETHER IT'S ON TOP LIST, ALLENDALE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE STANDARDS.

THE OTHER THREE ARE BASED ON WHETHER THEY'RE PRACTICAL.

THERE IS ONE LAST ONE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

IT WAS THE MOST CONTENTIOUS ONE, WHICH WILL TELL YOU IT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT YOU COULDN'T CONSIDER WHERE THE INCUMBENT RESIDED A POLITICAL CANDIDATE, POTENTIAL CANDIDATE OR POLITICAL GROUP.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR GOAL IS NOT IN THE HANDS OF ANY POLITICAL AGENDA.

IT IS TO ENSURE MINORITIES ARE REPRESENTED IN FAIR REPRESENTATION FOR EVERYONE.

UM, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THESE CRITERIA OR WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW.

SO THE WHOLE HOPE WAS WE WOULD GET AN IMPARTIAL MICHIGAN BECAUSE HE WAS PICKED AT BLOT IN PART REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE, COULD HAVE CERTAIN POLITICAL CONNECTIONS.

AND THEN THOSE IMPARTIAL PEOPLE FOLLOW RIGHT HERE.

SO THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN SUMMARY COMMISSIONS ARE.

SUPPOSEDLY THEY HAVE INDEPENDENT PEOPLE, BUT THEY HAVE NO CRITERIA.

WELL, TO BE HONEST, WE DID THAT DID NOT WORK THAT WELL.

UM, AND I WANT TO SAY THIS, I REALLY WOULD SUGGEST, OR SOME BIAS THAT YOU REALLY LISTENED CAREFULLY NAACP AND THE HISPANIC COALITION.

I THERE'S A DEMOCRATIC REESE OPEN.

THE WHOLE PRINCIPLE OF DEMOCRACY IS THAT PEOPLE KNOW THEIR SELF-INTEREST BETTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE.

THE TWO BEST EXAMPLES IN HISTORY THAT PROVED THAT IS WHEN ANGLOS TOLD PEOPLE OF COLOR.

THEY DIDN'T NEED TO HAVE THIS REPRESENTATION BECAUSE ANGLOS WOULD THINK THE OTHER EXAMPLE IS MEN TAKE CARE OF WOMEN.

WELL, THAT DIDN'T REALLY WORK OUT BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE A WAY OF RASH.

WHAT IS THE IMMERSE? SELF-INTEREST IS WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE WE THINK WE WANT IS IN THERE.

SO, SO MY POINT SIMPLY IS DO NOT IN MY VIEW, DO WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO, WHICH IS TELL PEOPLE OF COLOR PINK IS IN YOUR BEST INTEREST, UNLESS YOU'RE A PERSON OF COLOR, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO

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KNOW WHAT IT IS IN THEIR DEMOCRATIC, IN VOTING MY PARTICIPATION, BEST INTEREST THAT SOMEBODY IS NOT PART OF THAT.

AND, UH, IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT TO REPRESENT THAT, TO REALIZE THAT IN DEMOCRACY, WE, WE ASSUME ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL.

PEOPLE KNOW THEIR SELF-INTEREST BETTER THAN SOME OTHER GROUP.

AND WHILE THAT'S NOT ALWAYS TRUE IN THIS SITUATION, I THINK IT IS.

AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, AND I'M HERE AS A RESOURCE.

I MEAN, I WROTE THIS THING, UH, VETTED IT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UH, I CAN TELL YOU WHY THINGS WERE IN THERE BY THEY'RE NOT THERE.

UM, BUT I'M JUST THE RESOURCE.

YOU WILL NOT SEE DOWN HERE ADVOCATING FOR SOME NEIGHBORHOOD PARTY.

THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S, UH, I WOULD SAY, UH, PEOPLE HAVE, SELF-IMPROVEMENT LITERALLY REDRAWING BUYS FOR WAYS AND THAT SOMETHING YOU JUST GOT TO SEE MAY BE QUESTIONS.

WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.

THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS AGENDA ITEM ONE, APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 25TH.

UH, THOSE WERE SENT TO YOU IN AN EMAIL REVIEW THE MINUTES FOR JUST A MOMENT, SIR, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES I'LL GIVE YOU ALL JUST A MOMENT TO PULL THEM UP.

YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US, ACTUALLY.

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, VICE CHAIR, IF THAT CAN JUST PULL THEM UP ON THE SCREEN.

NOW, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES HEARING? NONE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO A DISCUSSION ON MAPPING PROCESS WITH MAPPING SPECIALIST, GEORGE.

THIS INCLUDES FIRST HIS PRESENTATION ON CITY DEMOGRAPHIC DATA AND TO FOLLOW UP ABOUT INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER CONVERSATIONS.

SO MR. , YOU CAN HEAR US AS WE CAN HEAR YOU, AND THEN WE'LL SHARE OUR SCREEN SHOW, THE PDF DOCUMENT YOU HAD SENT IN TODAY.

UM, AND YOU CAN JUST TALK THROUGH THAT WITH US.

AND THEN I WILL GO OVER A FEW THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REVIEW PRIOR TO MEETING IN OUR INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS.

UM, SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS THE, UM, OR HERE IS THE MAP OF THE CITY AND, UH, WITH THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND IN, IN, UH, TWO THOUSANDS IN 13, THE DISTRICTS WERE DRAWN ON THE BASIS OF THE 2010 CENSUS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS THE MOST RECENT CENSUS.

AND THE COURTS REQUIRE THAT WE USE THE MOST RECENT CENSUS OR SOMETHING THAT IS AS SOPHISTICATED AS THE CENSUS, UM, RETAKING IT A CENSUS IN AUSTIN REQUESTS, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

AND SO, UM, WE NORMALLY WOULD RELY ON THE MOST RECENT CENSUS.

UM, SINCE THEN THE CITY POPULATE, THE CITY POPULATION WAS 790,000, UM, IN, UM, UH, 2010.

AND, UH, THE IDEAL SIZE OF THE DISTRICT WAS 79,000.

WE WERE NOW AT 962,000.

AND

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THE IDEAL SIZE OF THE DISTRICT IS, UM, NINE 90, 6,185 OR 86.

UM, WHAT, WHAT I NORMALLY DO IS IF YOU LOOK IN THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF THIS, OF THIS MAP IS I TAKE THE POPULATION OF THE CITY, WHICH IS 9 61, 8 55, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT A 10% DEVIATION WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THE REASON THAT I DO THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, SOME YEARS AGO THE COURTS SAID THAT 10% WAS AN, WAS AN ACCEPTABLE OR INDICATED THE 10% WAS AN ACCEPTABLE DEVIATION.

THEY HAVE, SINCE THEY HAVE SINCE MODIFIED THAT AND SAID THAT THEY NEVER SAID IT WAS AN ACCEPTABLE DEVIATION, BUT THAT, UM, WE OUGHT TO BE TRYING TO GET TO ZERO DEVIATION, PARTICULAR, SOME JUSTIFICATIONS FOR GOING OUTSIDE ZERO DEVIATION.

AND WHAT THE DECISIONS SEEM TO FOLLOW AFTER THAT IS THAT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A REASON FOR DEVIATION FROM THE IDEAL DISTRICT, UM, THAT, AND YOU STAY UNDER 10%, YOU'RE PROBABLY IN A PRETTY SAFE PLACE.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE START FROM THIS POSITION.

AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'VE GOT, THEY'D GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THE MAP AGAIN, AND THIS IS A, UH, PRINTOUT OF THE, UM, POPULATION ON, UM, THAT I D I HAVE DETERMINED FROM THIS MAP.

AND THERE ARE, YOU HAVE 10 DISTRICTS, FIVE OF THEM PROBABLY WOULD BE OKAY TO EVEN JUST LEAVE ALONE BECAUSE THEY'RE WITHIN A 10% DEVIATION.

AND BECAUSE THERE WAS A REASON THAT THEY WERE DRAWN, WHICH WAS FOLLOWING THE, UM, UH, STRUCTURES OF THE CHARTER.

NOW THERE ARE FIVE DISTRICTS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY ARE, ARE TWO DISTRICTS REALLY, THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY ONE OVERPOPULATED AND ONE UNDER POPULATION FOUR AND A SIX, SIX IS, IS OVERPOPULATED.

I THINK WE ALL EXPECTED THAT THERE ARE A VERY SMALL PURSE PORTION OF SIXES IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, AND THERE'S 71,000 PERSONS IN THAT, IN THAT PART OF THE DISTRICT.

SO WE EXPECTED THAT.

AND, UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER DISTRICT THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERPOPULATED IS SIX OR EXCUSE ME, OTHER DISTRICT IS SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERPOPULATED IS, UM, UM, UH, YES, JUST BEFORE AND, UM, UH, WE HAVE TO ADD 10, AT LEAST 10,000 TO GET WITHIN THE 10%, UM, UH, DEVIATION.

UM, AND WHEN I MEET WITH YOU, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE DISTRICT YOU'RE REPRESENTING, UM, AND START THE CONVERSATION OFF BY ASKING YOU WHAT IDEAS DO YOU HAVE.

AND I PRESUME THAT YOU WILL HAVE LISTENED TO, UM, MUCH IF NOT ALL OF THE TESTIMONY AND READ MUCH, IF ALL, IF NOT ALL OF THE LETTERS, UM, THAT I'M GOING THROUGH.

AND, UH, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT RELATE TO YOUR DISTRICT, AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT YOUR IDEAS ARE.

I'M NOT GOING TO DRAW ANY MAPS.

WHEN I MEET WITH YOU, IF YOU WANT TO MEET WITH ME, I WON'T DRAW ANY MAPS.

I WILL JUST, UM, GET YOUR IDEAS.

AND WE MIGHT SKETCH OUT, UH, SOME, UH, SOME OF THE IDEAS, BUT THEY WON'T BE DRAWING THE MAPS, BUT THEY'LL ALL THEY'LL BE AS DEMONSTRATING TO YOU THAT IF WE MOVE, UM, UH, POPULATION FROM THIS STREET TO THE OTHER STREET, UM, WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE RESULTS ARE GOING TO BE.

UM, AND ONCE I'VE MET WITH ALL OF YOURS, MANY OF YOU IS THAT WANT TO MEET WITH ME, AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TRY AND COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT MELTS ALL OF YOUR TESTIMONY TOGETHER AND ALL OF YOUR LETTERS AND ALL OF YOUR IDEAS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A MEETING AND WE CAN BEGIN TO, UM, MAKE ADDITIONAL CHANGES OR START FROM SCRATCH.

UM, NOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CHAIRMAN ASKED ME TO DO WAS WHETHER OR NOT WAS TO EXPLAIN WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD, UH, START FROM SCRATCH OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD MAKE MODIFICATIONS ON THE EXISTING DISTRICTS.

NOW, UM, I

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THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THIS, AND MY IDEA, ESPECIALLY AFTER LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY IS THAT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT THAT WENT IN MUCH MORE ACTUALLY THAN I EXPECTED THAT WENT INTO, UH, FOLLOWING COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST.

UM, AND SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DO IS YOU TAKE THE EXISTING MAP, AND THEN WE MAKE THE CHANGES THAT ARE, THAT ARE NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE POPULATION QUALITY OR SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO POPULATION WITH QUALITY, AND THEN MAKE, UM, WHATEVER, WHATEVER ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT YOU SEE AS APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE TESTIMONY OR UPON YOUR EXPERIENCE LIVING IN, UM, IN AUSTIN CHAIRMAN ALSO ASKED ME TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF REDISTRICTING.

AND I SEE IT THIS WAY, UH, ABOUT THE ONLY THING ANYMORE THAT WE ALL DO IS WE VOTE.

OTHER THAN THAT, UM, OUR, OUR SOCIETIES AND OUR POLITICS HAVE DIVIDED US SO MUCH THAT, UM, VOTING IS REALLY THE LAST THING THAT WE HAVE IN COMMON.

AND, UH, THE DISTRICTS REQUIRE POPULATION EQUALITY.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE DOING MAINTENANCE ON WHAT I HOPE WILL BE THE PRESERVATION OF DEMOCRACY.

NOW, WE USED TO ALL, EVERY PERSON IN TEXAS USED TO LIVE IN CITIES OR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, CITIES, AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS ELECTED ONLY AT LARGE AND ALMOST EVERY CITY IN ALMOST EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD AN EDIT WHAT'S CALLED A SLATING GROUP THAT ACTUALLY MADE THE DECISIONS AS TO WHO WAS GOING TO BE ELECTED AND, UM, PUT TOGETHER CAMPAIGNS.

AND, UM, IN DALLAS, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WAS CALLED THE DALLAS COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT IN SAN ANTONIO.

IT WAS CALLED THE GOOD GOVERNMENT LEAGUE.

UM, AND, UH, EACH ONE OF THESE CITIES HAD THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN, UM, UH, DESCRIPTION OF, AND, UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE ESSENTIALLY VENDORS FOR THE CITY SOLD INSURANCE, OR, UM, DID PAVING, OR DID THAT SORT OF WORK.

AND THEY WOULD ALL GET TOGETHER AND RAISE SOME MONEY, AND THEN THEY WOULD DECIDE WHO THEIR SLATE WAS GOING TO BE.

AND THEN THEY WOULD PASS THE MONEY OUT TO THEIR SLAVES.

AND, UM, IN SAN ANTONIO, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK WE WENT FOR, UM, ALMOST 25 YEARS AND THEY ONLY LOST TWO ELECTIONS TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, THE GOOD GOVERNMENT LOST GOOD, GOOD GOVERNMENT LEAGUE LOST IN 25 YEARS.

AND I DON'T MEAN, UH, I MEAN TO INDIVIDUAL CITY COUNCIL, UH, THAT WERE ENDORSED BY THE GOOD GOVERNMENT LEAGUE WERE DEFEATED.

AND SO THEY HAD TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE CITY AND, AND MANY OF THEM WERE, WERE WEALTHY AND THEY WERE ALMOST LIKE BRAHMINS.

THEY, UM, THEY SAT BACK AND, AND SORT OF LEFT THE WORLD PAST SAN ANTONIO BY WITH THE ADOPTION OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

SAN ANTONIO CHANGED A LOT.

UM, WE ALMOST, ALMOST, UM, UH, IMMEDIATELY, UH, ELECTED A HISPANIC MAYOR AND, UH, WE'VE ELECTED A BLACK MAYOR NOW.

AND, UM, THE MAJORITY BASKET, MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL ARE, UM, NOW, UH, HISPANICS OR BLACKS, WHEREAS IN THE PAST, UM, USUALLY ONLY ONE OR TWO WOULD HAVE BEEN, UM, BLACKS OR HISPANICS.

SO I REALLY THINK IT'S A, I REALLY THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD THING AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT.

AND, UM, UM, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

DO FISHERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. PORTAL THIS EVENING? I REALLY APPRECIATED THE, UH, THAT INFORMATION YOU PUT TOGETHER FOR US.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THAT.

THAT WAS REALLY COMPREHENSIVE AND HELPS ME UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS.

SO SAY THAT I MIGHT ALSO ADD, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THERE IS A, UH, INDEX CALLED PARTISAN MEAN, AND I, UH, I SHOULD COVER THAT AS TO WHY I PUT IT AS A WHY IT'S IN THERE.

AND THAT SAID A LOT OF, A LOT OF, UM, UM, EVEN CITY COUNCILS THAT AREN'T ELECTED BY, UM, UM, UH, PARTISAN MAY, AREN'T IN TEXAS, THEY'RE REAL, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN THE PARTISAN LEAN, AND I PUT IT IN HERE BECAUSE

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I WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOU THAT ALL THE DISTRICT THERE IS NO, UM, UH, WAY THAT WE COULD DRAW THE, UM, CITY OF AUSTIN THAT WOULDN'T HAVE A, UH, DEMOCRATIC, PARTISAN LEAN.

SO FROM NOW ON FOR ALL THE REST OF THE, UM, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'LL SEE FROM ME, I WILL NOT HAVE THAT PERSON LEAN IN THERE, BUT I DID WANT TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOU THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE USING WELL, MR. KORBEL, I LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS THAT IS OVERPOPULATED AND THE DISTRICTS THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS TO IT ARE ALSO OVERPOPULATED WITH KIND OF A SOLUTION IS AVAILABLE FOR EVEN IN THOSE DISTRICTS OUT IN TERMS OF POPULATION.

WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO ADD AS WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE TO, UM, MODIFY YOUR DISTRICT, WHICH ONE IS THAT MR. SIX, I LIVE IN JUST BARELY AND DISTRICT 10 AND DISTRICT SEVEN, OR ALSO OVERPOPULATED.

YES.

WELL, UM, WHAT, WHAT WILL LIKELY HAPPEN IS THAT POPULATION WILL BE ADDED FROM SIX INTO, INTO SEVEN AND 10, AND THEN SEVEN AND 10 ARE GOING TO SH WE'LL END UP SHEDDING POPULATION INTO FOUR AND NINE AND THREE, WHICH ARE THE UNDER FIVE EIGHT.

OKAY.

BUT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

SIX IS GOING TO LOSE AN AWFUL LOT OF ITS GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

MICHELLE CAMPBELL, MY APOLOGIES.

UM, I'M WONDERING, I THINK YOU SENT US A PDF AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS OTHER, THESE OTHER NUMBERS ARE IN AN EXCEL FOR US TO GET THIS TO YEAH.

YES.

SO THIS DOCUMENT, UH, HE JUST SHARED SHORTLY BEFORE THIS MEETING, AND THIS WILL BE SHARED WITH ALL OF US.

YOU'LL HAVE A COPY OF THIS.

AND THEN, UH, I'M SORRY.

SO MY ACTUAL QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH TESTIMONY.

UM, SO, UH, I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD GIVE US ANY ADVICE ON THE CONSIDERATION OF TESTIMONY FROM PUBLIC, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TESTIMONY, RIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I, WE WANT TO BE FAIR AND WE WANT TO TAKE EVERYONE'S, UH, PERSPECTIVE INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT HOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ASK THIS QUESTION.

SOMETIMES SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE VOCAL THAN OTHERS.

UM, JUST HOW, HOW DO WE NEED TO, HOW SHOULD WE CONSIDER ALL THIS TESTIMONY? JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE'S MORE VOCAL, DOESN'T MAKE THEM MORE, RIGHT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING, BUT WE CAN ONLY HEAR VOICES, THEIR OPINION.

WELL, UM, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IS TO, IS TO REREAD THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE CHARTER.

THEY'RE NOT VERY LONG AND THEY'RE PRETTY, UH, PRETTY DETAILED.

AND, UM, UM, IF THE TESTIMONY WAS, UM, NOT INVOLVED WITH THOSE STANDARDS, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE A PRETTY SECONDARY, UH, SUGGESTION.

UM, IF THEY WERE ABOVE THOSE STANDARDS, I THINK I WOULD TRY AND PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE.

AND, UM, I, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE TESTIMONY AND I'VE LOOKED THROUGH MOST OF IT NOW, AGAIN, UH, THERE IS, UM, UM, SOME OF THE TESTIMONY IS CONFUSING BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHAT THIS AND THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO.

UM, AND SOMETIMES THE, UM, THE TESTIMONY IS CONTRADICTORY.

UM, ONE PERSON SAYING SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE ONE WAY, AND THE OTHER PERSON SAYING SOMETHING, SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE THE OTHER WAY.

IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO YOU TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS AS TO WHAT YOU THINK BEST REFLECTS WHAT'S IN THE CITY CHARTER.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, CHRISTIAN, YOUR CAMPER.

UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME, MR. CORBO UM, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY ASK, UM, YOU WOULD PREFER FOR US AS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE DISTRICT TO FOCUS ON OUR DISTRICT WHEN WE'RE ASKING YOU QUESTIONS, OR WOULD YOU LIKE US TO, CAN WE HAVE INPUT ON SURROUNDING DISTRICTS AS WELL? UM, WELL, UM, YOU CAN ASK ANYTHING AND I'M GLAD TO, I'M GLAD TO, UM, RESPOND.

I FOUND THAT OVER THE YEARS, MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN MAKING THE DECISIONS, UM, IS HELPFUL BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE QUESTIONS THAT

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THEY, THAT THEY WOULD RATHER NOT ASK IT, UM, OUT IN THE OPEN IN PUBLIC AND, UM, BEING CONCERNED THAT THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT BE, UM, UM, THEY MIGHT SAY SOMETHING WRONG OR THEY MIGHT, UM, UM, BE MISUNDERSTOOD AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EASIER TO MEET WITH ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND, UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO, UM, WE'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE YOUR SUGGESTIONS ON ANY DISTRICT, UM, BUT I'M PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN THE ONES WHERE YOU LIVE BECAUSE YOU WERE CHOSEN TO REPRESENT THOSE DISTRICTS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. POURABLE? OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. KORBEL, AND, UM, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN ON THIS SECTION.

UM, YOU ALREADY MENTIONED THAT BEFORE NEXT WEDNESDAY, AND BEFORE WE MEET WITH YOU, THAT WE SHOULD REVIEW ALL OF THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I HAD IN MY NOTES, AS WELL AS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL, YOU KNOW, JUST DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.

LOOK THROUGH THE DOCUMENT THAT CHRISTINE SHARED WITH US LAST WEEK, THAT EMAIL SUBJECT LINE IS PUBLIC FORUMS SUMMARIES TO VIEW.

SO IF YOU JUST TYPE THAT INTO THE SEARCH BAR, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL UP THE EMAIL FROM CHRISTINE AGAIN, THAT WAS PUBLIC FORUM SUMMARIES TO VIEW.

AND SHE ALSO SENT US THE LATEST, UM, PUBLIC FORUM SUMMARY, BECAUSE WE'VE ALSO CONTINUED TO GET EMAILS AND, UM, OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONTACT FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC.

AND SO THAT WILL GET TO US BY MONDAY MORNING, SEPTEMBER 6TH, IF NOT SOONER THAN THAT, FOR US TO VIEW PRIOR TO NEXT WEDNESDAY'S MEETING.

UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT WE SHOULD REVIEW IS THE LATEST DATA FROM THE CITY.

SO WE WILL GET THIS FROM MR CORBELL, BUT THE CITY ALSO HAS ON THEIR WEBSITE, UM, A GIS INTERACTIVE MAP, AND YOU CAN VIEW THE POPULATIONS FOR ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, CENSUS TRACKS ACROSS THE CITY.

AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LINKS THERE THAT YOU CAN FIND ONLINE, AND I CAN HAVE CHRISTINE SHARE THOSE WITH ALL OF US, JUST FOR EASY ACCESS.

SO JUST BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THAT DATA GOING INTO NEXT WEEK.

UM, AND FINALLY WE ARE GOING TO SEND OUT, OR MAYBE ALREADY DID SEND OUT THE SIGN UP GENIUS LINK.

SO IF YOU WISH TO MEET WITH MR KORBEL, PLEASE SELECT A TIME THROUGH THAT LINK THAT CHRISTINE HAS SENT.

UM, AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU GET THAT DONE BY TUESDAY, END OF TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK, SO THAT SHE HAS WEDNESDAY TO CREATE ALL OF THE UNIQUE ZOOM LINKS TO MEET WITH MR PORTAL.

AND ALL OF THOSE WILL BE RECORDED, UM, OF THE VIDEO RECORDING THROUGH ZOOM, BUT ALSO, UM, NOTES TAKEN ON ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS THAT THOSE CAN BE SHARED AMONG US AT NEXT WEEK OR THE FOLLOWING WEEK'S MEETING.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, AWESOME.

UM, MR. PURPLE, DID YOU WANT TO JUMP IN THERE? UM, REAL QUICK QUESTION HERE, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE ARE THESE NOTES AND CONVERSATIONS GOING TO BE PART OF PUBLIC RECORD? YES, BECAUSE THEN THAT CONTRADICTS THE ABILITY THAT MR. PORTAL IS SAYING TO ASK QUESTIONS.

WE MAY NOT WANT TO ASK OTHERWISE.

SO I GUESS THOSE TWO THINGS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

UM, WE WANT TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WITH THE PROCESS, WHICH IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND RECORDING.

AND SO WHAT IS DISCUSSED IN THOSE VIDEO CALLS, MR. PORTAL? UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW TO RECTIFY THAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY SAD, A REQUIREMENT I CHARTER OR LONG.

NO, IT'S JUST BEST PRACTICE ON OUR PART THAT PUBLIC SEES WHAT DISCUSSION WENT INTO THE MAPPING PROCESS.

AND THEN, UH, CHRISTIAN SCHNEIDER, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU IF MR. KORBEL MIGHT HAVE MEETINGS WOULD ALLOW FOLKS TO NON-CONFLICT THOSE TWO ITEMS. UM, WELL, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECORDED, UM, UM, THAT MAY INHIBIT PEOPLE FROM ASKING QUESTIONS, I SUPPOSE ANYBODY CAN CALL ME.

AND I'M GLAD TO GLAD TO ANSWER ANY, ANY, UM, QUESTIONS THAT THEY'VE GOT, NOT DEALING SPECIFICALLY WITH THE, UM, WITH THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS, WITH THE ACTUAL REDISTRICTING, BUT MAYBE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS OR THE PROCEDURE OR THE TERMS OR WHAT ONE THING.

UM, BUT ONE THING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS, AND MAYBE I COULD DISCUSS

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THOSE WITH THEM ON PHONES.

THEY WANT TO TALK, I SUPPOSE, UM, PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL UNDER THE RUBRIC OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, PERHAPS WHERE THE BILL ACTION CAN BE TAKEN DISCUSSION CAN BE HELD AND IT'S NOT RECORDED IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WELL, IT COULD LOOK LIKE A, WHAT THEY CALL A, UM, MOVING, UM, UM, QUORUM.

UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, NOT QUESTIONS I'M NOT INTERESTED IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, ACTUALLY DRAWING THE DISTRICTS ACTUALLY, UH, UM, DEALING WITH THEM ON DRAWING THE DISTRICTS.

UM, BUT I AM, I AM WILLING TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS, WHAT THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS.

UM, ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, WHICH SEEMS TO ME WOULD NOT NECESSARILY, UM, UM, CREATE A PROBLEM AS FAR AS YOUR BEING OPEN, BUT, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU ALL.

UM, I JUST FEEL THAT IN SOME, WHEN SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LAWYER, SOME PEOPLE FEEL LIKE A FISH OUT OF WATER, AND I WANT TO MAKE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT I CAN MAKE YOU COMFORTABLE, UM, WITH THE PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

YEAH.

UH, YES, UH, CHAIR, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE OPEN OURSELVES TO SOME, SOME CONTEXTUAL LITIGATIONS, IF WE ARE PROCEEDING AS HAVING CONVERSATIONS THAT RELATE TO OUR IN PRODUCT AND WE DID NOT MAKE IT PUBLIC AT THE SAME TIME.

HOWEVER, I THINK THAT, UH, INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO EXPRESS AN OPINION THAT IS NOT DIRECTED.

THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO NECESSARILY WITH.

SO PERHAPS THE, THE ANSWER COULD BE THAT, UH, ANY CONVERSATION THAT'S DIRECTED HAS TO BE ANY THAT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING BETTER.

THAT'S JUST LIKE A CONVERSATION.

AND THERE'S NO REAL REASON FOR DOING THAT.

AND IN MY HAS, I'VE SEEN WHERE EVEN THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS, IF THE COMMUNITY IS UPSET WITH SOME OUTCOME, THAT BECOMES A POINT, IT STARTED THIS ACTIVITY.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT DOESN'T HAVE UNDERSTANDING IF SOMEONE ON THIS COMMISSION DOES GET INTO A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, AND THEN THEY GIVE DIRECTIVES THAT APPEAR TO BE FLOWERING.

IT CAN BE CONTESTS.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

I MEAN, AS, I'M SORRY, IF IT WAS MR. LEWIS SAID, LIKE WE HAVE A DIRECTIVE TO BE IMPARTIAL AND LIKE, JUST AS SOMEONE WHO'S WORKED IN GOVERNMENT, I JUST DON'T, I FEEL LIKE A SENSE OF GUARDEDNESS THAT WHEN I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ON THEIR RECORD, THAT WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO BE AS UNGUARDED AS I WOULD BE.

LIKE, WE WERE SELECTED A FAR IN FIRST PARTIALITY AND B FOR OUR KNOWLEDGE OF OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND SO I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW, LIKE, IF WE'RE ACTING AT THOSE BEST INTERESTS, HOW WE ARE DOING ANYTHING NEFARIOUS BY HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH OUR LAWYER.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WAS DECIDED, BUT I JUST DON'T REALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

SURE.

IT ISN'T ONE OF OUR WEDNESDAY MEETINGS.

THEY WOULDN'T BE PUBLIC.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

OH, SO WHY DO WE HAVE THE ONE ON ONE CONVERSATION THAT WE WILL BE RECORDED AT? SO LIKE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE PUBLIC FORUMS SO THAT PEOPLE, AND WE ALREADY HAVE THAT FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND ASK QUESTIONS, BUT THERE'S JUST LIKE A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT WAY TO PREPARE FOR THAT.

AND I THINK THAT I WAS ALSO GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT THE QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER, HE ASKED EARLIER AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, LIKE SEEKING ADVICE, SHE ASKS IN A PUBLIC FORUM, BUT I CAN ALSO SEE THAT BEING AFFECTIONATE THAT LIKE, WE JUST DON'T NEED EVERYBODY WEIGH IN ON.

UM, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M KIND OF, I'M WONDERING, ARE YOU SAYING WE SHOULD NOT HAVE LIKE ONE-ON-ONE

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CONVERSATIONS, SO YOU'RE NOT AGAINST THEM.

OKAY, COOL.

CAUSE AT THE END DANCE PART OF PUBLIC RECORD, I THINK THAT IT'S IN OUR INTEREST TO BE TRANSPARENT JUST TO COVER OURSELVES, BUT THESE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER I DO, THEY CAN HELP US ADVANCE.

UM, OUR DECISION-MAKING BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A SHORT TIMEFRAME, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE ACCESS TO MR. KORBEL OUTSIDE OF JUST WEDNESDAY.

FIRST, I THINK THIS IS OPTIONAL.

SO NOBODY HAS TO HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION.

HORRIBLE.

YOU WANT TO HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION BEFORE? I THINK, YEAH, THIS IS KIND OF, WE'RE GETTING TO THE MEAT OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE ACTUALLY HERE TO DO.

SO THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD GET TO THIS POINT AND HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT UP UNTIL THIS POINT, AND THEN PEOPLE WOULD GO AND HAVE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WITH SEEMS TOTALLY CONTRARY TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FEEL HERE.

UH, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONFLICT HERE BETWEEN THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THESE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I MEAN, PRIVATE IN THIS CASE SEEMS TO BE, TO MY MIND IS ACTUALLY JUST NOT WITH THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.

SO I, YOU KNOW, IF I WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A HORRIBLE ABOUT MY DISTRICT, THE IDEA IS IT'S MORE ABOUT ATTENTION.

IT'S NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PRIVACY PER SE, FROM THE PUBLIC IT'S ABOUT THE ABILITY TO HAVE.

SO THE ABILITY TO HAVE DEDICATED AMOUNT OF TIME TO SORT OF MAKING SURE THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE TESTIMONY AND OF YOUR DISTRICT IS JUST REPORTABLE.

SO YOU CAN USE THAT INFORMATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO BE ON THE PUBLIC RECORD THAN THAT FROM US, BECAUSE YES, WE KNOW WE WERE SELECTED THROUGH A PROCESS TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO NEFARIOUS AIMS, BUT THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD SAY, WELL, THAT PROCESS WORKED AND NOW YOU CAN SEE THE OUTCOME AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS BLACK BOX HERE.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT I'M FREELANCING.

I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S PROBLEMATIC, ESPECIALLY WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO, I MEAN, PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO DO, YOU'RE NOT COVERED.

I WAS JUST SAYING LIKE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

I JUST DON'T SEE THE NEED OF LIKE HAVING, I JUST AM LIKE REALLY ON MY SIDE.

I DON'T WANT THIS ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION RECORDED FOR POSTERITY.

SO I WOULD PREFER TO DO THAT, NOT ON PUBLIC RECORDS SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO BE LESTER ABOUT HAVING A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION AND BRING THAT DISCUSSION TO OUR FORUM PART, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT LIKE WE'RE GIVING YOU INPUT INTO THE PROCESS AND SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT WAS OUTLINED.

AND THEN THAT WILL BE TAKEN, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION THAT WE ALL BRING TO THE PUBLIC TO DISCUSS.

SURE.

CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT HE VOTE TO PROCEED WITH OPTIONAL ONE-ON-ONES THAT ARE RECORDED? WHERE DO YOU MAKE THAT MOTION? ACTUALLY, UM, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS BACK THE HEADS OF GREED ON THIS AS A VOLUNTARY MEASURE.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO TAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME AS CHICKEN SALADS, BUT THANK YOU.

UH, JUST START ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES PRELIMINARY SO WE CAN OPENLY DISCUSS THEM.

SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT ON THE DISTRICT ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN ADDITION TO THE ONE-ON-ONE SUPPORT, BUT ALSO OUR WEDNESDAY.

YES.

AND, UH, MR. CORBELL, YOU WILL HAVE THOSE MAPS READY FOR US TO VIEW NEXT WEDNESDAY, CORRECT? WELL, IF WE CAN GET THROUGH THE MEETINGS.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

QUESTION I'LL ANSWER CHAIR.

I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND ALL OF US THAT WHATEVER ONE PERSON DOES AFFECTS ALL OF US, SO YOUR BEST INTENTIONS AND STILL ENDED UP BEING A PROBLEM IF IT IS FANTASTIC.

SO I THINK OUR INTENTIONS MUST BE AS TRANSPARENT AS THE ACTUAL ACTION OR ACTIVITY.

AND, UM, WE JUST HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE ALL REPRESENT THE ONE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I WOULD LIKE US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UM, THAT MOTION THAT WAS MADE ABOUT THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORDING OF THOSE MAYBE IS A COMPONENT OF THAT MOTION, SO THAT IF IT IS NOT, WE CAN MAKE THAT, UH, HAVE A MOST OF THAT INCLUDED TONIGHT.

IS THERE A QUICK WAY TO REVIEW? YOU KNOW, I THINK IT MIGHT BE IN OUR MEETING MINUTES IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES.

UH, CHRISTINE GRANADOS, CAN YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES FROM WHEN WE MADE THE MOTION ON ONE-ON-ONES

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TO CHECK IF IT HAS RECORDINGS AND A THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO IF EVERYONE IS CONTENT TO MOVE ON, WE WILL GET TO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.

OKAY.

THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO BE AN UPDATE FROM THE PUBLIC FORUM WORKING GROUP.

THIS INCLUDES FIRST A DISCUSSION OF CALENDAR CHANGES, AND SECOND, A DISCUSSION ON HOW TO INTEGRATE AND ADDRESS QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE PUBLIC AT PUBLIC FORUMS, VICE CHAIR, GONZALEZ WILL PROVIDE THE UPDATES.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UM, I JUST WANT TO FIRST SAY THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER UP ON COMMISSIONER KAMBO COMMISSIONER E AND CHAIR FRONT DESK FOR THE SUPPORT AND OUR WORK IN THE FOLLOWING UPDATES.

I WANT TO RESTATE THAT DATES TIMES AND LOCATIONS FOR THE THREE PREVIOUSLY CONFIRMED PUBLIC FOREST SHARED AND OUR AUGUST 25TH GENERAL MEETINGS THAT WERE A MOTION VOTED AND APPROVED.

THOSE WERE SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH, FROM 11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM.

THAT'S SEATTLE RECREATION CENTER.

AND THIS VENUE IS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF TRAVIS COUNTY PRECINCT ONE TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST, FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM AT THE MAYFIELD PRODUCT ON 35TH STREET.

THIS VENUE IS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF TRAVIS COUNTY FOR TO SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 25TH, FROM ONE TO 3:00 PM AT THE TOWARDS MEDALLIA'S, UH, DOVE SPRINGS FEDERATION CENTER.

AND THIS VENUE IS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF TRAVIS COUNTY, PRECINCT FOUR, THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM FOR BEING QUICK WITH THEIR PROMOTION OF EVENTS OVER THE PAST WEEK.

I ALSO WANT TO SHARE THAT I SAW AN ICRC ADVERTISEMENT AND RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY IMPACT.

SO THAT WAS REALLY GREAT TO SEE THIS MORNING.

NOW I WANT TO SHARE PROPOSED NEW DATES TIMES AND LOCATIONS, OR TO NEWLY, UH, TO, UM, I USE THE WORD CONFIRMED, BUT THEN NOT TO CONFIRM MOTION, BUT TO, UH, NEWLY WORKED ON FORUMS. UH, THOSE ARE FINDING LOCATIONS AND CONFIRMING DATES FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH, FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM.

THIS WILL BE VIA ZOOM AND THIS WILL SERVE OUR AS OUR ADDITIONAL FIT OUR, OUR VIRTUAL OPTION, UM, FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TO TUNE IN AND PROVIDE TESTIMONY DURING THIS ROUND OF FORUMS, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SHARE THAT SATURDAY, OCTOBER 2ND, FROM 11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM HAS BEEN RESERVED AT THE TRAVIS COUNTY COMMUNITY CENTER AND OAK HILL.

AND THIS VENUE IS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF TRAVIS COUNTY PRECINCT THREE, MADAM CHAIR, UH, FOLLOWING THESE UPDATES, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE AND POTENTIALLY APPROVE THIS NEW SCHEDULE FOR OUR UPCOMING FORUM.

IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLANK HERE THAT WE WILL APPROVE THE ADDITIONAL FOUR UPDATES.

AND THOSE ARE TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH, FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM ON ZOOM AND SATURDAY, OCTOBER 2ND, 11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM AT OAK HILL COMMUNITY CENTER.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DEBATE WE'RE GOING TO BE MORE VIRTUAL INTERESTING.

UH, THERE, THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY VIRTUAL FOR THIS ROUND.

AND THEN THE PLAN IS WHEN WE DO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL THIRD.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DEBATE COMMISSIONER? NOT, OR JUST SORRY.

SO WE HAD THE 28TH, SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WILL BE OKAY.

YOU SAID THIRD SITE.

SO THE QUESTION IS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

TWO NEW FORUM DATES, ONE ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH, FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM ON ZOOM.

SECOND ONE ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 2ND, 11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM AT OAK HILL UNITY CENTER.

THOSE IN FAVOR OF PROMOTION.

RAISE YOUR HAND THOSE OPPOSED.

I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE IT AND THE MOTION IS ADOPTED.

THAT'S YOUR CONSOLIDATES.

AND THEN I JUST WANT TO JUST AGAIN, SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK FROM BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 18TH AND OCTOBER 2ND, YOU HAD ANOTHER ROUND TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR OUR AUDIENCE, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY CENTERS, COUNTY COMMUNITY CENTER, TRAVIS COUNTY COMMUNITY CENTER.

IT IS THE OAK HILL COMMUNITY CENTER AND IT'S A COUNTY RUN.

GOT IT.

NOT TOO COMPLICATED, BUT YOU, IF

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YOU DO GROUP, IF YOU DO GOOGLE IT THAT IT WILL POP UP.

THE OFFICIAL NAME IS AS SHAREPOINT.

THIS IS LATER.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, THE NEXT ITEM HERE IS A DISCUSSION ON A BETTER WAY TO INTEGRATE AND ADDRESS QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE PUBLIC AT PUBLIC FORUMS. AND I'M GOING TO MS. SHARON TO COME IN HERE WITH, IF YOU PREPARED SUGGESTIONS TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP, UM, TO ADDRESS THE STUDENT.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SO, UM, ONE, UM, SUGGESTION FOR CONSIDERATION IS TO, UM, ALLOCATE A TIME SLOT FOR PUBLIC INSECTS, AND THEN BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE SIGNS UP, THEN WE CAN DIVIDE THAT TIME SLOT BY THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, RATHER THAN HAVING A MANDATORY THREE MINUTES.

LIMITATION ALSO ALLOW FOR PROVISION TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO WHATEVER THEIR TIME ALLOTMENT IS WITH ANOTHER SPEAKER.

SO THAT IF YOU HAVE 1 41 ROOM THAT IS, THEY HAVE THE SAME OR COMMON INTEREST THAT WE DON'T HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE SPEAKING THREE MINUTES IN A FIVE MINUTE, WAIT, WHAT THEY COULD DO.

YOU HAVE THEIR TIME, ONE PERSON TO TELL THE WHOLE MESSAGE FOR THE GROUP.

UM, I THINK BY DOING THIS, WE CAN HAVE A MORE EFFECTIVE INPUT OR INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD BE MORE MEANINGFUL THAN MORE.

SO WHAT ELSE DID THAT SAYS, OH, AND THEN HOW TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS? WHAT ARE RECOMMENDED? THERE'LL BE DO THAT.

IF A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS SPEAKING TO US AS A PART OF THEIR SPEAKING, THEY HAVE A QUESTION TO BE INFORMED THAT WE ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WE STOPPED THE CLOCK WHILE YOU'RE ANSWERING THEIR QUESTIONS SO THAT OUR ANSWERING DOES NOT FEED INTO THEIR ALLOCATED TIME FOR SPEAKING.

AND THAT WE, UH, IN OUR LISTENING SKILLS, WE DISCERN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN QUESTIONS THAT IS WHERE THEY'RE SEEKING INFORMATION TO BE BETTER VERSUS THE QUESTION THAT IS TO STIMULATE AND I'M GOING TO PAINT.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WANTED TO OFFER TONIGHT FOR US TO CONSIDER, TO HELP US BETTER ENGAGE AND FACILITATE.

IT'S SO LOVELY TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

I WASN'T LOOKING TO MAKE THAT AS A FORMAL MOTION.

I LOVE YOUR IDEAS.

UM, THE SECOND PART ABOUT ANSWERING PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS.

I THINK IF WE PUT SOME PARAMETERS AROUND IT, LIKE HE'S DONE, THEN THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS LIKE, IF SOMEBODY ASKS, WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE WORKSHEET, WE'RE GOING TO FIND THEM THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR THAT QUESTION.

BUT IF SOMEBODY SAYS, ASK THE QUESTION THAT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY ANSWER, LIKE, WHY WAS IT DRAWN THIS WAY? OR LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO NOT ANSWER IT.

OKAY.

YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT.

PART OF IT IS THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS THAT OUR STAFF WILL BE BETTER PREPARED TO ANSWER.

SO THE CHAIR OR THE VICE CHAIR KIND OF FACILITATE THE FLOW OF THOSE QUESTIONS ON WHO IS BEST AND MOST APPROPRIATE TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION.

BUT ALSO IF WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT HAS MORE INTENDED TO BE COMBATIVE, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY SEEKING INFORMATION, BUT REALLY WANTING TO EXPRESS AN OPINION, THEN WE CAN JUST ACKNOWLEDGE

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ON, BUT NOT MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO ANSWER AND THEN INVITE THEM TO USE OTHER MEANS TO GIVE THAT FURTHER OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF TESTIMONY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION.

AND THEN THESE ARE GREAT SUGGESTIONS.

UH, IF WE DO GO AND MAKE THIS A FORMAL MOTION WHERE I WOULD SAY ON THIS POINT ABOUT STOPPING THE CLOCK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND INFORMATION, AS OPPOSED TO SIMULATION TO DATE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE LEAVE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS TO WHOEVER THE PRESIDING CHAIR, EITHER THE CHAIR OR THE VICE CHAIR, WHOEVER HAPPENS TO BE THERE JUST TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM SIX TO NINE PEOPLE TO SHOW UP, TO DECIDE WHETHER A QUESTION IS A FACTOR OF OPINION, UM, AND LIKE ANY STOPPING THE CLOCK TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

THOSE ARE THE WORST PARTS OF THE FORUMS. WHEN PEOPLE ASK US BASIC QUESTIONS AND WE STARE AT THEM.

SO I LIKE THAT, UH, DIVIDE THE TIME BY THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, I THINK IS INTERESTING TO JUST ADD, BUT NO LESS THAN THREE MINUTES, JUST ADD THAT I'M A LITTLE LESS COMFORTABLE ABOUT ALLOWING FOR SORT OF THE ALLOTMENT OF TIME FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL TO ANOTHER, IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS DOES GIVE ADVANTAGE TO ORGANIZE GROUPS.

YOU CAN GET PEOPLE TO SHELL UP AND WE HAVE A PROCESS IT'S A GROUP WANTS TO GIVE US A PRESENTATION ALREADY, AND WE'RE PRETTY OPEN TO THAT.

IT SEEMS SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A PROCESS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A LONGER PRESENTATION FOR HIS OR GROUP DOES WANT TO USE 10 OR 12 MINUTES TO PRESENT US.

BUT I THINK THESE ARE GREAT IDEAS AND I WOULDN'T MIND MOVING FORWARD ON SOME OF THEM.

YEAH.

I KNOW THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION AROUND IT.

AND I THINK I AGREE THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ANSWER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS.

AND TO ME, THE DISTINCTION WOULD BE LIKE, IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS PUBLIC? LIKE, LIKE I THINK BECAUSE I WORK IN A COMMUNICATIONS GROUP, LIKE IT'S VERY CLEAR TO ME, LIKE WHEN IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT WE'RE JUST RESHARING BECAUSE THAT PERSON DIDN'T SEE THE FIVE OTHER PLACES WE PUT IT VERSUS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE NOT PUBLIC OR HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.

SO WE'RE NOT AT LIBERTY TO SHARE IT JUST YET, LIKE PERHAPS SO PUBLIC FORUM DATE THAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.

SO, UM, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR US HAVING YOU IN A SESSION BEFORE THE TESTIMONY, BECAUSE MY BELIEF IS STILL THAT HAVING PEOPLE'S FACTUAL QUESTIONS ANSWERED WILL HELP INFORM THEIR TESTIMONY AND HELP THEM TO DISCERN WHAT INFORMATION IS HELPFUL TO PRESENT OR NOT.

IF WE ARE TRYING TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTION AND THEN LIKE STARING AT THEM, WAITING FOR THEIR PUBLIC TESTIMONIES, THAT'S JUST TOO MUCH PRESSURE IN THE MOMENT TO, YOU KNOW, ANALYZE IT AND THEN REFLECT BACK ON THAT.

SO I WOULD MOVE TO A Q AND A PORTION TIME BOUND AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND, YOU KNOW, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE THEY CAME LATE AND DIDN'T SEE THE BEGINNING SLIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

I THINK HE HAS A RESPONSE OR NOT QUITE YET.

THANKS FOR THAT.

AND THEN THERE WAS ONE OTHER COMPONENT.

WE DON'T FIND OURSELVES.

WE A PIGGYBACK INTERACTION WHEN WE HAVE IT SCHEDULED GUEST SPEAKER.

AND THAT IS FOR ANY SCHEDULED GUEST SPEAKER THAT WE ASK THEM, WILL THERE BE ANY OTHERS, ANYONE ELSE PRESENTING? SO WE KNOW THE FRONT END.

AND THEN IF THAT IS A YES, THEN WHEN THEY, THEIR PORTION OF THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEY INTRODUCE THEIR CONTINUE THE PRESENTATION, IF THEIR ANSWER TO OUR QUESTION IS NO, THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS, GUEST PRESENTATION BECAUSE THAT ADDITIONAL SPEAKING IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT WAS RECOMMENDED I'M ON BOARD.

I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE BARRIERS SO THAT PERHAPS YOU HAVE SOME RISK AND LET'S TAKE THE LAST POINT ABOUT IF THERE'S A PERSON REPRESENTING A PARTICULAR ISSUE AND THEN IT'S MORE THAN ONE OF THEM.

AND SO THE ANSWER, YES.

SO THAT, THAT TELLS US THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, BUT IF THEY ANSWERED, NO, BUT THERE'S A QUESTION FROM BEFORE FROM SOME OF THE BONES, I BELIEVE WE'RE ALMOST COMING TO THEM.

DON'T LET THEM AT LEAST

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ASK THE QUESTION.

THEY CAN MAKE PRESENTATIONS, BUT THEY CAN ASK THE QUESTION TOO, IS I BELIEVE THAT OUR STRONGEST SUIT IS GOING TO BE WHEN WE ARE, WHEN WE ASK QUESTIONS, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

WHEN QUESTIONS ARE ASKED OF US, WE SHOULD DEFER TO THE EXPERT ATTORNEYS, WHEREVER EXPERTISE, BUT WE DON'T TRY TO BECOME ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE BECAUSE INVARIABLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME EXPERTISE OR EXPERIENCE SATISFYING, WHATEVER THE PUSH, IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR EXPERTS, THEN THAT'S A TIME THAT WE CAN SAY, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU WITH AN ANSWER, BUT WE DON'T WANT THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T COMPUTER.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW.

THEN THE THIRD ITEM IS THAT WHEN SOMEONE IS MAKING A PRESENTATION, I'VE SEEN THIS WORK ON A NUMBER OF BOARDS.

I DON'T WANT ME PUTTING IN ARGUMENTS THAT COULD BE SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH WITHOUT IT BECOMING COMBATIVE.

BUT THE MOMENT IT BECOMES COMBATIVE SHARE HAS TO STEP ON THE JOURNEY AND SHUT THAT DOWN.

ALL WE'LL SPEND THE REST OF THE EVENING, TRYING TO DISCERN IS DOING WHAT WHO'S ON FIRST AND SECOND.

SO I WOULD WITH THESE SUGGESTIONS, I JUST THINK THAT THOSE, THOSE COMPONENTS IN FEAR YOU'RE HERE.

I'M SO SORRY.

LIKE I, I'M TRYING TO THINK LIKE HOW BEST TO ASK THIS QUESTION.

CAUSE I VERY INTERESTED IN HOW YOU SAID IT.

IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO ASK QUESTIONS.

AND I THINK THAT'S SUCH A NEAT IDEA BECAUSE I HEARD MR. KORBEL SAY THAT A LOT OF THE TESTIMONY HAD CONFLICTING IDEAS OR THEY DIDN'T PRESENT USABLE IDEAS.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A STANDARDIZED WAY FOR US TO ELICIT USEFUL TESTIMONY FROM SOMEONE THAT'S TRYING TO GIVE TESTIMONY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT'S IN OUR SCOPE OR WHATEVER.

IT'S JUST A THOUGHT IT'S THERE.

DO YOU WANT THIS TO BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC LANDS COMMISSIONER? UM, WE COULD USE THE STATUS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN YOUR EXTENDED GROUP AND THAT'S GOING TO KEEP IT VERY FOCUSED OR WE COULD GO BACK AND ADDRESS IT AMONG OURSELVES TO, TO TRY AND DISCERN WHAT'S BEEN SAID.

AND THEN ONCE WE'VE CONCLUDED THAT WE, THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, OR WE KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, BUT YET IT DOESN'T JIVE WITH WHAT WE REPLAY.

SO FIRST OF ALL, I THROW UP BECAUSE THAT'S AN EXCELLENT APPROACH, BUT SECONDLY, BOUNCE BOUNCE.

THE BALL AROUND JUST COMES THROUGH.

I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE A COUPLE OF THINGS FIRST IS THAT WE DO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, WHICH WE SEE IN OUR EMAILS EVERY DAY THAT CHRISTINE IS ASKING THOSE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

AND I JUST SENT HER ONE TODAY.

SO LIKE THAT EXISTS ALREADY.

UM, I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT, LIKE WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TO SOLICIT THAT INPUT.

AND IF THOSE QUESTIONS, PERHAPS WEREN'T AS SUCCESSFUL AS WE BOOKED THEM TO BE, THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO REVISIT THOSE.

SO IF PEOPLE HAVE INPUT INTO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING AT THE PUBLIC FORUM, LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING TO BE SENT IN.

SO I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS ANSWERING THE FACTUAL QUESTIONS THAT COME UP IN THE EXPERIENCE OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN AT THE 11 FORUMS WE'VE HAD, IT'S BEEN VERY FACTUAL.

SORRY, THAT WAS THE WRONG NUMBER.

BUT THE QUESTION IS, I THINK WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, OR THAT I AM CONSIDERING AND GIVING IT IS, ARE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE MAPS OR WHAT TIME IS THE NEXT FORUM? OR, UM, JUST TRYING TO THINK OF ANOTHER EXAMPLE, LIKE, CAN YOU PUT UP YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AGAIN? LIKE THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

AND THOSE THINGS WOULD BE LIKE, ARE THEY LOGISTICAL AND PUBLIC INFORMATION? AND THAT'S NO RESPONSE AGAIN.

SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP US FOCUSED ON WHAT I, I AM INTERPRETING COMMISSIONER PARDOT'S GOAL IS WHICH IS TO GIVE PEOPLE THE VERY BASIC INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR

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WHEN THEY ASK FOR IT.

SO JUST TO KEEP KIND OF PUT SOME RAILS AROUND THAT.

YEAH.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT ALSO KIND OF RAISES AN ISSUE I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT, WHICH IS SORT OF SOLVING THE LAST PROBLEM.

RIGHT? I'M GOOD.

I DON'T MIND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M THINKING ABOUT LISTENING TO THIS CONVERSATION FOR SORT OF SOLVING THE LAST SET OF PROBLEMS, RIGHT? WHEN WE GO INTO OUR NEXT SET OF MEETINGS, THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP WILL BE REACTING TO MAPS THAT WE HAVE PRODUCED.

AND WE'RE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO GET POINTED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE DID SOMETHING.

I THINK THAT'S THE SORT OF THING WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO REALLY THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS AND WHAT THAT PRIDE AND WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.

SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO A DEBATE WITH PEOPLE WE'RE TAKING IN INFORMATION.

WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS CLARIFIED.

SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO US, BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET INTO A SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THEIR OPINIONS OF THE MAP.

WE'RE TRYING TO LEARN WHAT THEY UNDERSTAND IS I THINK THAT'S GOING TO JUST PROBABLY THAT JUST STRUCK ME WAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE SETS OF QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC FORUMS THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.

MAYBE THOSE AREN'T THE RIGHT QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE PAST THAT NOW.

RIGHT.

AND SO IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE PROCESS.

THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T GETTING A LOT OF THAT.

SO THIS IS THE DON'T REFERENCE.

WE HAVE A PROCESS ALLOWED US TO THEN FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING TO.

THEY'RE RESPONDING TO THE ACTUAL MAPS, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.

AND THEN I JUST GOT LANCE.

THANK YOU.

UM, WELL I APPRECIATE YOU FOR ME IN THIS REALLY GOOD POINT.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOW IN CURSIVE IS INCORRECT ROUTE.

WE WON'T HAVE ANY VIRTUAL OR OVER THE PHONE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

CORRECT.

SO, UM, I GUESS WE, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY TRY TO SPECIFY BEFORE PEOPLE COME IN AND BE SURE TO KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE COMING IN AND YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK.

UM, I THINK IT IS A WAY WE CAN SPECIFY THAT BEFORE THEY COME IN, BUT, UM, IT IS LISTED ON OUR AGENDA EACH WEEK, BUT MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO HIGHLIGHT THAT MORE, UM, ON ANY OF OUR WEBSITES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

JUST, JUST SO THAT INFORMATION IS VERY CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT AGAIN, IT IS LISTED ON EACH OF THE PLANS.

YES.

UM, WE HAVE NOT EVEN BEGUN WORK.

SO IF A PERSON WALKS INTO HERE AND SAY THAT YOU MOVED OUT OF MY AREA AND I WANT TO KNOW THAT'S A SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THAT PERSON, IT NEEDS TO BE SERIOUS, BUT WE SHOULDN'T TRY TO ANSWER IMMEDIATELY UNTIL WE GET THE EXPERTS FISHING OR LANCE, JUST SO I CAN CLARIFY.

UM, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IN THAT INSTANCE WE WOULD CALL HIM MR. HORRIBLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE WOULD GET BACK.

I WOULD SAY, LET HIM ANSWER THE QUESTION I'M GOING TO BE KIND OF, OF COURSE, BECAUSE HE WORKS FOR US.

AND THEN IF THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION, LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S NOT JUST POINTING RHETORIC, BUT IT'S REAL DISCUSSION.

AND THEN IT, MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION THAT'S NEEDED FROM HIM LATER.

I JUST WANT TO DISTINGUISH LIKE THAT THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF QUESTIONS AND WERE, SO WHEN THIS DISCUSSION STARTED, IT WAS ABOUT THE GARY, LIKE, YES, NO, HERE'S THE EMAIL.

IT'S LIKE LOGISTICAL INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET IN THE BUSINESS OF ANSWERING IN THE MOMENT.

LIKE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PROCESS SET UP.

SO MAYBE IF THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, WE CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

UM, SORRY, I'M GONNA, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO COMMISSIONER BLANK, COMMISSIONER.

PARDON? FRENCH LANCE.

I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

AND IF THE CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE KIND OF PREPARED FOR ONE TYPE OF QUESTION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER TYPE OF QUESTION AND WE DON'T WANT TO ANSWER, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT OURSELVES IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S CLEAR IS THAT ANY PART OF THIS ISN'T THE SETUP FOR THESE NEXT SET OF FORUMS IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY STATEMENTS OF OPINION, BUT WE WILL RESPOND TO QUESTIONS ABOUT FACTS.

BUT I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY THINGS OR SOMEBODY SAYS, WHY DIDN'T YOU HAVE A THOUSAND PEOPLE ANSWERS ON THE CHART? WE KNOW WHY WE MOVED A THOUSAND PEAKS.

WE MOVED IT OUT WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HIRED EXPERTS

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TO FOLLOW A PROCESS.

RIGHT? BUT I THINK THAT THE, AND THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES FROM OUR SIDE TO SAY, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO DIFFERENTLY? AND I MEAN, REALLY PART OF IT IS JUST TURNING IT BACK TO THEM, TO PROVIDE US WITH WHAT THEY THINK THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO GET TO A DISCUSSION WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT WE DID.

WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

WE HAVE A CLEAR SET OF RULES AND WE'VE HIRED EXPERTS TO HELP US.

BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS THE PUBLIC, THE WHOLE POINT IS FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND SAY, WHAT YOU DID HERE WAS WRONG.

AND OUR ANSWER IS TO SAY, NOT TO SAY, NO, I DISAGREE.

IT'S TO SAY, WHY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY? AND THEN THAT BECOMES INFORMATION THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE BACK.

BUT I THINK I GET, I WOULD REALLY YOU, FOR, FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, I WOULD WANT TO DISTINGUISH THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS AT THE OUTSET FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT I'D ALSO WANT TO LEAVE IT AGAIN.

WHEREVER THE PRESIDING OFFICER IS AT THOSE MEETINGS TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS IS A FILTERING MECHANISM FOR OURSELVES.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I WANT TO QUICKLY POINT OUT.

I WANT TO QUICKLY POINT OUT THAT ACCORDING TO ROBERT'S RULES, YOU CANNOT, WHILE SOMEONE IS STILL SPEAKING SIGNAL THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

OKAY.

JUST A REMINDER TO EVERYONE, PUSH NO HARDEN.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

AND SO TO BE MORE CLEAR, I BELIEVE THERE ARE LEVEL QUESTIONS THAT IF WE KNOW THE ANSWER SUCH AS PATIENT, BOTH TYPES OF THINGS, UM, THE CHAIR CAN FACILITATE THE PERMISSION, RESPONDING TO THOSE QUESTIONS, THE CHAIR THAT HAVE TO KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT ANY MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER AND CAN BE RECOGNIZED WHEN WE GET INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS PROCESS, PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ASK US IN A MEETING A QUESTION ABOUT THE THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT MOVED FROM DISTRICT SIX INTO THIS DISTRICT.

THAT'S NOT A QUESTION FOR WE AS COMMISSIONERS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION TO THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, TO ANSWER ON ARMY.

UM, THAT WAY PEOPLE ARE BEING INFORMED REAL TIME.

AND AGAIN, JUST THE FRAMING OF THE QUESTION THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DISTINGUISH IT AS A PRO FOR UNDERSTANDING FIRST VERSUS AN OPINION.

AND AGAIN, CHAIR TO FACILITATE, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT MOMENT? THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN'T ANSWER.

COMMISSIONERS SUBJECT MATTER.

EXPERTS CAN ANSWER WHETHER IT'S OUR ATTORNEYS OR OUR SPECIALISTS, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ANSWER AT THE TIME THAT WE WILL DEFER AND GET BACK TO THE PERSON WITH THE QUESTION? IS IT A COMMENT THAT'S MORE NOT SOLICITED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD DEFER AND NOT ANSWER.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THERE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME EXPECTATION ON BEHALF OF