SINCE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION
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MEETING THIS[Independent Citizen's Redistricting Commission]
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH, MATT, CAN YOU PLEASE DO ROLL CALL? YEAH.DID YOU WANT ME TO START OVER? OKAY.
WE HAVE 10 OUT OF 14 COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE INDEPENDENT CITIZENS REDISTRICTING COMMISSION MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH, MATT, CAN YOU PLEASE DO ROLL CALL COMMISSIONER KANAAN MORRIS HERE.
HARDEN SCHNEIDER DEMPSEY GONZALEZ LANDS LEE.
KAMBO CALLED THEIR OWN BLANK AND FELL CONE HERE.
CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE US THROUGH TODAY'S AGENDA? OKAY.
SO MEETING GOALS FOR TODAY, DISCUSSION ON PRESENT PRESENTED PRESENTATION OF DRAFT MAPS, DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC FORUM STRUCTURE, RECEIVE UPDATES FROM WORKING GROUPS, SUBCOMMITTEES ALL THE ORDER OR SOCIAL COMMUNICATION.
UH, NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP FOR A CITIZEN COMMUNICATION UNLESS SOMEBODY SIGNED UP AS THEY CAME IN.
UM, I DON'T WANT APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
I DON'T REMEMBER TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
THE SERC MAY DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS, A DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC FORUMS, STRUCTURE AND PROTOCOLS B UPDATES FROM WORKING GROUPS SUBCOMMITTEES, THE ONE COMMUNICATIONS WORKING GROUP B TO PUBLIC FORUM WORKING GROUP B THREE FINANCE.
SO COMMITTEE BEFORE FINAL REPORT COMMITTEE ITEM THREE, NEW BUSINESS, THE ICRC MAY DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS, A PRESENTATION OF MAP FROM THE NAACP HISPANIC COALITION B PRESENTATION OF DRAFT MAP BY GEORGE KORBEL ICRC MAPPING SPECIALIST, SEE DISCUSSION OF DRAFT MAP PRESENTED BY KORBEL D HOUSEKEEPING, UH, AND THAT FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
MA'AM SO WE GET ANY FURTHER THIS EVENING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW THINGS, UM, A FEW HOUSE KEEPING ITEMS, FIRST OF ALL, PLEASE KEEP YOUR MASKS ON UNLESS WE'RE SPEAKING OR, UM, IN COMMISSIONERS CASES, EATING.
UM, AND THEN WE JUST WANT TO PUT THE MASK RIGHT BACK ON.
I WILL CALL A 10 MINUTE BREAK EVERY HOUR AND A HALF OR SO, AND I PROPOSE AN END TIME OF ABOUT 11:00 PM TONIGHT.
IT MAY NOT NEED TO GO THAT LATE, BUT I WOULD SAY LET'S NOT DO IT LATER THAN THAT.
I'M ALSO OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS FROM THE GROUP.
UM, I WILL CHECK IN WITH YOU AGAIN AFTER A BREAK TO SEE WHERE WE ALL ARE.
AND I ALSO WANT TO HAVE JUST A FEW ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT TO JOIN US.
AS WE EMBARK ON THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS OF DRAWING OUR CITY COUNCIL BOUNDARIES.
UM, PLEASE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF SEVEN MORE WEEKS OF VOLUNTEER WORK BY THE ICRC AND TO THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION.
THANK YOU FOR COMING TO US TONIGHT WITH YOUR IDEAS FOR DISTRICTS ONE THROUGH FOUR, AND THANK YOU TO OUR ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGER, CHRISTINE GRANADOS FOR HER WORK ON THE DOCUMENT THAT HAS COMPILED ALL OF THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY UP TO THIS POINT BECAUSE OF HER WORK, WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT WE HAVE HOSTED 105 ATTENDEES IN ICRC.
PUBLIC FORUMS LISTENED TO 48, SPEAKERS COLLECTED 50 MAPS, 87 EMAILS, AND TWO VOICE MESSAGES FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND THANK YOU, MATT FOR SECURING THIS MEETING SPACE AND OUR DINNERS SO THAT WE HAVE THE ENERGY TO CARRY US THROUGH THIS IMPORTANT MEETING.
SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A FEW GROUND RULES FOR DISCUSSIONS THIS EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
WHEN MAKING A SUGGESTION ABOUT THE MAP, PLEASE REFER TO SECTION THREE OF THE CHARTER.
UM, WHAT HAPPENS TO ELECTIONS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS AS A RESULT OF OUR WORK THAT IS NOT UNDER OUR CONSIDERATION AS AGREED UPON.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO ABIDE BY ROBERT'S RULES AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE.
AND IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT A PARTICULAR ISSUE, JUST GIVE
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ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THIS COMMISSION.IF WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THEM YET.
UM, AND YOU CANNOT, WELL, SOMEONE ELSE IS STILL SPEAKING SIGNAL THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK NEXT.
PLEASE ADDRESS THE CHAIR WHEN YOU WANT TO SPEAK AND YOU WILL BE RECOGNIZED.
AND FINALLY, IN TERMS OF PROCESS, LET ME SAY THAT TONIGHT IS ONLY A FIRST PASS AT PRELIMINARY MAPS.
THE WORK WILL CONTINUE INTO THE NEXT WEEK FOR PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
I'LL POINT OUT THAT THE DOCUMENTS YOU SEE IN THE MEETING TONIGHT WILL SOON BE AVAILABLE AS BACKUP DOCUMENTS ON THE CITY SITE.
UNDER ICRCS MEETING DOCUMENTS, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THE MAP CHANGES NEXT WEEK ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15TH, BASED ON DISCUSSIONS HELD THIS EVENING AND, UM, IN RECORDED INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH MR. PORTAL THAT WILL OCCUR LATER THIS WEEK, THE GOAL IS TO ENTER NEXT.
WEEK'S MEETING WITH AN IDEA OF TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION THAT WILL BE LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE AND PREPARE ANY TESTIMONY THEY MAY HAVE ON THAT TOPIC.
WE DO ALL OF THIS STRIVING TO MAINTAIN FULL TRANSPARENCY WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE MAPPING PROCESS FOR OUR 10 CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
WE MAY ALSO MEET ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH.
IF WE HAVE NOT APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY MAPS ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15TH, WE WILL HOLD THE FIRST OF FIVE PUBLIC FORUMS FOR THE PRELIMINARY MAP ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH, ONCE ADOPTED, UM, OR RATHER APPROVED, UH, THE MAP WILL GO UP ON OUR WEBSITES AND WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT FEATURE AVAILABLE AS WELL ON SPEAK OF AUSTIN.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT IN MIND, WE WILL BEGIN CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.
UH, BUT MATT, YOU SAID THAT NO ONE HAD SIGNED UP TODAY BEYOND OUR, UM, PLANNED PRESENTATION.
SO IS IT WHO'S ON THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE.
SO I HAVE, UM, MR. BRAD PARSONS FROM DISTRICT 10, JUST TO REMINDER, UM, EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND JUST CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME.
WE WELCOME ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK RIGHT.
I TOLD HER FIRST, UM, AND THAT'S FINE FROM SCHOOL, BUT, UH, UM, I WANT TO MAKE TWO POINTS.
UM, THE FIRST THREE CAN BE RESPECTED AND STILL RESPECT PRECINCT.
AND THIS IS A PART OF ALLEN SLID OFF.
I DON'T THINK THAT ALSO, UM, THE OTHER ONE IS 2 46.
OUR AREA RIGHT NOW IS BLANCA MIDDLE WHERE ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL IS.
AND ALL OF THE AREAS IN THE AREA THEY'RE THERE TOGETHER.
THERE WAS, UM, 2 46 AND THEN IN THE MILWAUKEE AREA OR THE BCA AREA FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE SPLIT OFF FROM THE TRUTH OF MATTER IS THE REVERSE.
THOSE TWO MIGHT ACTUALLY LET'S DO A BALANCED CORRECTIONAL.
MAYBE WE CAN STILL WORK ON SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS.
ONE OF THE THINGS, THE OTHER IS ONE OF THEM.
I LIVE IN TOWN, BUT I KNOW OTHERS WHEN THEY SEE THIS, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT ADDED TO 10 WEST.
I DON'T NECESSARILY MIND THAT, BUT, UM, THAT'S THE, THERE IS ROOM FOR BIG NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER IS WHERE ALL THE CHANGES ALSO HAPPENING
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OUR WEST.AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS I FIND IT KIND OF INTERESTING, CAUSE I'M THINKING WAS TENSION.
SHIT'S BEEN SAID TO YOU THAT, OH, TIM IS LIKE PERFECTLY BALANCED ALREADY.
IT DIDN'T GAIN MUCH COME UP AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO CHANGE IT.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS WORKING DRAFT MAP, DISTRICT THAT'S MOST CHANGED.
IT'S PROBABLY EITHER SIX OR 10 OR NINE.
AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO WAGER ACTUALLY THIS FIRST WORKING DRAFT MAP.
IT WAS THE ONE THAT SAID, AND YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE LEAST.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS ON THAT FOR NOW.
OTHERS ARE TOO WHEN THEY SEE THE OFFICIAL.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JERRY PATTERSON FROM DISTRICT FIVE.
I JUST THOUGHT I WAS SIGNING IN TO ME, BUT I'LL GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY.
I APOLOGIZE, KIND OF LATE GAME AND NOT VERY WELL INFORMED, BUT IS THERE A PROPOSED MAP AVAILABLE BASED ON DATA? THAT IS WHAT WE'LL BE DOING TOGETHER TONIGHT.
SO, AND WHEN IT IS AVAILABLE, WILL IT BE AVAILABLE? YES, SIR.
SO ONCE THE MAPS HAVE BEEN APPROVED NEXT WEEK, THOSE WILL BE UPLOADED.
OF COURSE, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE REVIEWING TONIGHT, UM, WILL ALSO BE UPLOADED AS BACKUP DOCUMENTS TO THE CITY SITE UNDER ICRS.
AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS TO IMPROVE SOME ONLINE PORTAL ON THAT MAP.
AND OUR EMAIL ADDRESS IS ICRC DOT COMMISSIONERS AT AUSTIN, TEXAS.GOV.
YOU CAN ALSO COMMENT ON, SPEAK UP, AUSTIN.
YOU JUST LOOK UP THE ICE FIRST.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION EVENING? IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS JUST QUICKLY.
UM, AGENDA ITEM ONE, APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 1ST MEETING.
YEAH, ON PAGE THREE AT THE TOP, IT SAYS COMMISSIONER CALLED IT ON REQUESTED FUNDING FOR A LARGER ADVERTISING BUDGET.
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WAS COMMISSIONER E I'M NOT SURE IF A FORMAL MOTION WAS MADE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ONLY FOUR EMOTIONS ARE REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED? THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THREE B THE PRESENTATION OF THE DRAFT MAP BY GEORGE KORBEL, OUR ICRC MAPPING SPECIALIST.
AND MR. CORBELL, DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN MICROPHONE WHERE YOU ARE A MICROPHONE? I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE YOU INTO A MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORDING.
YES UM, I LOOKED AT THE LOOK OF THE MAPS.
I ATTENDED ALL THE HEARING SO FAR AND I'VE READ THROUGH THE SUMMARIES AND MOST OF THE EMAILS AND IT TOOK YOUR EXISTING MAP, WHICH, UM, FROM THE TESTIMONY DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF FOLLOWING WHAT THE CHARTER IN KENYA.
THEN I LOOKED AT THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE FROM THE DISTRICT MOST IMPORTANT PRIORITY IS POPULATION.
AND THE NEXT, THE NEXT REALLY IMPORTANT PRIORITY IS BEING FAIR.
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THIS WHOLE PLAN AND ON THE LEFT ON THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE CURRENT MAP AND ON THE RIGHT DEALS, THE MODIFICATIONS YOU COME TO A POPULATION AND FALL.AND, UM, ONE THING I MIGHT POINT OUT IN THIS CAGE THAT, UM, THERE IS THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE VTV, WHICH IS VOTING TABULATION DISTRICT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS A THREESOME.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE REFERRED TO, I REFER TO THEM, REFER TO THE EXISTING PLAN IS THE CURRENT PLAN ELECTIONS.
UM, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER MAP COMPARING THE OLD MAP WITH SOME ARROWS ON WHAT THE NEW MAP IS.
JUST THE, HOW AS THE, HOW THE NEW MAP CAME INTO EXISTENCE.
WHEN YOU GO THROUGH EACH, EACH ONE OF THOSE ARROWS TO SHOW EXACTLY WHAT I DID.
AND, UM, MAYBE IT'LL ALLOW YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OTHER IDEAS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS MAP IS DRIVEN BY THE, BY THE POPULATION IN SIX SIXES IN SIGNIFICANTLY.
WELL, WE HAVE TO DROP POPULATION FROM SIX INTO 10, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT 10 BECOMES, UM, CHANGE HAS TO CHANGE.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THAT, WE WOULD RAPPING FOR VOTING, PLEASE, ACTUALLY PUTTING PRECINCTS FROM, UM, FROM FIXING 10 AND PARTS OF A COUPLE MORE.
AND THEN WE'LL DROP, YOU'RE DROPPING YOUR VOTING PRECINCT FROM SIX IN THE SEVENTH THAT DRIVES THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PLAN, THAT MODEL POPULATION STARTING WITH DISTRICT NUMBER ONE, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE WITH DISTRICT NUMBER ONE, HERE'S ONE, HERE'S, ONE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DISTRICT NUMBER ONE, ONE.
NOW I'M PROPOSING THAT WE WILL, WE'RE SAYING 3 25 AND PART OF PRECINCT 2 0 6, UM, INTO, INTO NINE NINE IS, UM, AND THOSE PRECINCTS ARE THE, UM, BLACK POPULATION OF ALL PRECINCT IS 20% SEE VAP AND, UM, BLACK POPULATION OF THE PARTIAL IS 13%.
UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THIS IS OTHER CHANGES THAT COULD GO ON WITH DISTRICT NUMBER ONE, MOVING PRECINCT ONE 18, WHICH IS 51% HISPANIC AND 19% BLACK IN THE DISTRICT FOUR AND MOVING PART OF PRECINCT 1 33
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INTO, ALSO INTO FOUR.AND THAT IS 8% BLACK AND 22% HISPANIC.
AND, UM, ALL THE PRECINCT ONE 30 AND THAT IS 12%, 4% BLACK AND 40% HISPANIC.
WHEN WE DO THAT, THAT LEAVES THE BLACK DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT NUMBER ONE WITH THE LARGEST BLACK POPULATION, WE USE IT, I THINK ONE 10TH OF 1% VOTING AGE POPULATION BELOW WHAT IT IS.
NUMBER TWO IS WITHIN POPULATION RANGE AND I'M SENSING IT ONLY BORDERS TO OTHER DISTRICTS.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO USE IN ANY WAY.
AND SO WE PROPOSED, OR I PROPOSE TO LEAVE THIS EXACTLY NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS DISTRICT NUMBER FIVE AND IT'S SLIGHTLY OVERPOPULATED.
AND DISTRICT NINE IS UNDERPOPULATED.
SO I PROPOSE MOVING ONE, UM, VOTING PRECINCT OR 3 45 TO NINE, AND THAT IS 5,000 PEOPLE.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS I'M READY TO ANSWER.
UM, THIS IS A, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT I DID, UM, BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO BE OUT OF PLACE.
DISTRICT NUMBER EIGHT HAD THIS NEW ARM WENT UP, WENT UP HERE, LOOKING LIKE THIS.
AND, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS SO FAR FROM THE CENTER OF DISTRICT EIGHT.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IN DISTRICT CAMP.
AND SO I PUT THAT IN, IT'S A VERY SMALL POPULATION, 417 PEOPLE IN ONE PARTIAL PRECINCT AND 55 PEOPLE IN ANOTHER PARCEL, BUT IT SEEMED TO MAKE MORE SENSE.
LET'S GO TO THE NEXT, THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, DISTRICT NINE NOW.
UM, YOU ARE, YOU'RE AT THE, IN DISTRICT NINE, THERE ARE TWO BOARDING PRISONS THAT ARE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND THEY'RE BOTH SPLIT.
AND WHEN I PROPOSED IN ORDER TO BRING THE POPULATION BETTER, I PROPOSED PUTTING, PUTTING BOTH PARTS OF THESE TWO PERSONS TOGETHER AND INTO NINE.
AND THAT'S PRECINCT 2 74 AND PRECINCT TWO 14.
UM, THE NEXT SLIDE THEN I PROPOSED, UM, MOVING, UM, 36, THERE IS A PART OF PRECINCT FOR 24 36 CITY BLOCKS.
I PROPOSE MOVING THAT INTO THREE AND, UM, THERE IS A PART OF 13 BLOCKS OF PRECINCT, 4 33, AND I WOULD PROPOSE TO MOVE THAT ALSO INTO THREE POPULATION BALANCE.
AND THEN THERE'S FULL PRECINCT FOR 22.
AND I WOULD ALSO PROPOSE MOVING THAT INTO DISTRICT THREE.
THEN THERE'S A PARTIAL PRECINCT, UM, FOUR 20, WHICH IS 25 CITY BLOCKS.
AND I WOULD PROPOSE MOVING THAT INTO THREE.
IT MAKES IT MAKES FOR A MORE COMPACT DISTRICT AND IT USING THE REPOPULATION OF DISTRICT OF THIS DISTRICT, UM, WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO DO IS WE'RE ABLE TO UNCUT FOUR, FIVE, ACTUALLY FIVE PREVIOUSLY PUT THEM TOGETHER.
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YES.THE NEXT, THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS SHOWS THE, UM, THE, UM, THE MOVEMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE IN DISTRICT NUMBER NINE, THE TOP TWO WERE ADDED TO NINE AND THE BOTTOM FOUR WERE TAKEN AWAY.
WHAT THIS DOES IS SHOWS CURRENT DISTRICT NINE AND THE WAY I WOULD CHANGE DISTRICT NINE, IT HAS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, SAME SHAPE.
UM, WHY DO YOU IS INCREASED IN POPULATION? LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, NEXT SLIDE SHOWS I WOULD MOVE A PRECINCT FOR 28, FROM SEVEN IN THE FOUR FOR POPULATION QUALITY REASONS.
AND I WOULD MOVE A SMALL, SMALL, WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH THESE, THESE PIECES FROM NUMBER ONE INTO NUMBER FOUR.
SO THERE'S DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR WOULD MAINTAIN THE SAME SHAPE, UM, THEN HAVE POPULATIONS FAULT, MR. YES.
NUMBER 15, NUMBER 15 SHOWS WHAT NUMBER ONE LOOKED LIKE IN THE CURRENT PLAN AND WHAT WOULD NUMBER ONE WOULD LOOK LIKE UNDER THIS SPECIMEN PLAN? AND YOU CAN SEE, THEY LOOK VERY, THEY LOOK VERY SIMILAR, SLIGHTLY MORE COMPACT.
THERE STILL SEEMS TO BE SOME WHITE SPOTS OR THOSE UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF IT PRETTY, OR THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE AREAS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE CITY.
THEY'RE EITHER UNINCORPORATED OR IN SOME SITUATIONS IT MAY BE A CITY OR A CITY THAT'S INSIDE THE CITY.
I KNOW WE HEARD THAT AT THEIR PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE DO? WELL, I SUSPECT A LOT OF THOSE ARE BUSINESS DEALS WITH THE CITY HAS WITH THE EMPLOYER TO BUILD BACK JOBS WITH THE CITY AND WHERE THEY MAY BE, OR THEY MAY BE SOME OTHER REASON THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THEORETICALLY, ALL OF THOSE AREAS, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT ANOTHER CITY, THAT'S GOING TO THE NEXT, THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS, THIS LOOKS AT THE TOP, THE CLOSER YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE PLAN, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT AND THE SPECIMEN PLAN, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT AGAIN, YOU SEE THE, THEY ESSENTIALLY MAINTAIN THE SAME SHAPES.
AND, UM, I TRIED TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE POPULATION MIX SIMILAR AREAS AND I ADDED THE NUMBER FOUR NUMBER NINE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT DISTRICT NUMBER 10, THIS GIVES YOU A, A, WHICH IS THE GREEN ONE TO THE UPPER LEFT-HAND CORNER.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH POPULATION THAT HAS TO USE TO, UM, COME INTO POPULATION QUALITY.
I ORIGINALLY, I THOUGHT OF TAKING THE POPULATION FROM, UM, THE OTHER SIDE OF 10 AND MOVING IT INTO SEVEN, BUT BOTH
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OF THOSE, THOSE PRECINCTS ARE VERY HEAVILY ASIAN POPULATION.AND THAT DISTRICT IS GENERALLY DEVELOPING AS ASIAN INFLUENCES.
AND SO I TOOK THE POPULATION FROM THE TOP OF NUMBER SIX.
AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO IS THAT UNLESS THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH IT, I WOULD JUST INCLUDE ALL OF THAT GREEN AREA FROM NUMBER SIX, RIGHT ABOVE THE PURPLE AREA, PINK AREA IN 10.
I THINK THAT PROBABLY WOULD SIMPLIFY THE MAP A LOT.
AND THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE LIVE IN THOSE, IN THAT AREAS THAT ARE MORE AT THE CURRENT TANNINS, EXCUSE ME, NORTH AND WEST.
THE NEXT SLIDE IS LOOKING AT THE LOWER LOWER PART OF THE MAP.
PRECINCT IS REMOVED FROM FIVE AND PUT IN NINE.
AND ONE, ONE, ESSENTIALLY ONE PRECINCT IS REMOVED FROM EIGHT PUT INTO 10, AND THAT'S THAT SMALL AREA THAT I SHOWED YOU THAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF UNMANAGED AREA AND, UM, POPULATION.
THESE ARE THE POPULATION NUMBERS ON THE SPECIMEN PLAN.
UM, WE RUN FROM A MINUS 3.5% DEVIATION TO EIGHT UPWARD UPWARD DEVIATION OF 2.9.
AND IT'S A TOTAL DEVIATION OF 6.55.
AND THAT'S WELL WITHIN, UH, THE NUMBERS THAT THE COURTS HAVE PERMITTED.
IN FACT, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE COULD MAKE CHANGES AND INCREASE THAT DEVIATION AS LONG AS WE HAVE GOOD REASONS FOR THE CHANGE.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, FOR THIS EVENING IS TO HEAR FROM THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION, GO THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION Q AND A WITH THEM, AND THEN WE CAN RETURN TO THIS WITH SOME MORE IN DEPTH CONVERSATION, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
I DO HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION I NEED IS THAT, UM, I HEARD REFERENCE TO, AND THIS IS ABOUT EQUITY.
I HAD HEARD REFERENCES TO AN AGENT INFLUENCED DISTRICT, WHICH, UM, WHICH LED ME TO WONDER WHAT OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS HAD INFLUENCED DISTRICTS AND WHAT WAS THE PRIORITY AS IT RELATES TO, UH, EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTION, AS OPPOSED TO JUST POPULATION.
WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS I TRIED TO MAINTAIN THE POPULATION, NEW PLAN SPECIMEN PLAN, MAINTAIN THE POPULATION AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE OPEN SO THAT THE SPANISH INFLUENCE THIS BIG BLACK INFLUENCES WERE ALL TREATED THE SAME.
YEAH, JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
SO WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS.
IS THAT A DIFFERENT NAME TO REFERENCE THE SAME THING BECAUSE I'M USING INFLUENCE DISTRICT, IS SOME, IS THAT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? UM, WELL THE ASIAN POPULATION IS SMALLER THAN THE SOMEWHAT SMALL AND, UM, BUT NEVER BLACK INFLUENCE HISPANIC.
AND THE REASON THAT I MENTIONED IS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN TESTIMONY ABOUT THAT AND THERE HAS BEEN ELECTED,
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I THINK THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD MAINTAIN NATURE.I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T GIVE ME CLARITY.
WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS MAINTAIN, MAINTAIN AS MUCH AS I COULD, IF I CAN HELP CLARIFY.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ON MR. KORBEL IS ASKING IF YOUR USE OF THE TERM, UM, INFLUENCE DISTRICT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT OPPORTUNITY DISTRICT.
IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS MOMENT, PROMISE WE WILL RETURN TO MR. PEBBLE'S PRESENTATION.
WE ARE GOING TO GO ON TO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.
AND DO WE HAVE ALL OF THAT READY TO GO? MR. YANG, LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE A MICROPHONE.
YOUR WALLET, DRESS COMMISSION.
THE FIRST PERSON I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE FROM MY COALITION NELSON LINDER, PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP AND WITH MY COOLERS.
AND CO-CHAIRS THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M A CULTURE OF A CITYWIDE COALITION FROM RODEO AFRICA AS HISPANICS AND OUR PRIMARY GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT WE MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY.
HOW ABOUT FOR DISTRICTS? I WANT TO MAKE A, WHEN WE SAY OPPORTUNITY DISTRICT, THAT TERM REFERS TO VERY IMPORTANT LANGUAGE.
AND I GUESS IN THE PAST, OF COURSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
AS FAR AS THE HISTORY OF THIS PROCESS IS SO IMPORTANT.
WHEN YOU SEE HISTORY HERE, IT WAS ILLEGAL AND VALIDATION.
SO I THINK WE TERM INFLUENCES IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.
SO I'M GOING TO STICK WITH OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S ILLEGAL CONNOTATION.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
I'M HERE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE AWESOME NAACP.
I MUST BEAR A LOT OF HISTORY BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, BUT HOW WE GOT HERE.
UM, 2012, IT WAS A MASSIVE STATEWIDE COALITION THAT PRODUCED TIM WON.
THERE WAS NO DOUBT THAT THIS COALITION HAD SIMILAR IDEAS AND ASSISTS THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING FOLKS VOTE AND ELECTORAL REPRESENTATION.
AND AS A RESULT, THEY CRUSHED OPPOSING PROPOSITIONS.
THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL, THAT THERE WAS A STRONG DESIRE TO HAVE A FAIR SYSTEM THAT AFFORDED LIKE THE VOTE, BUT ALSO TO ELECT REPRESENTATIVES, WE TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT VOTER RIGHTS AND THE SYSTEM IS KEEPING AROUND ALSO THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID ANYTHING THAT WOULD DILUTE THESE POPULATION AND THEREFORE USE OPPORTUNITIES TO REDEVELOP DISTRICTS THAT THAT'S CRITICAL AS WELL.
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IN A WORST NIGHTMARE IS WHAT WE CALL GERRYMANDERING.WE TREAT A PROCESS THAT DOES EXACTLY THAT.
SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE MAPS AND LANGUAGE IS VERY IMPORTANT, THE HISTORY IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
AND ALSO BEING CONSCIOUS OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS PROBABLY EVEN MOST IMPORTANT IN THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE THINK ABOUT A CITY, UH, AT ONE POINT YOU HAD NO BLACK REPRESENTATION OR HISPANIC.
AND THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT WAS YOU GOT A LACK OF RESOURCES, NO AREAS WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SHORT, THE OPPORTUNITY WAS NOT THERE.
IT HAS A VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE EARTH FOLKS WHO WERE TRYING TO REPRESENT THE FIRST PLACE BASED ON THAT NEXT ACT.
WE KNOW THAT BASED ON WHAT THE COURT HAS DONE, SURELY DIMINISHING IT SINFUL.
AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND.
I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THIS AS WELL TODAY THAT YOU HAVE AMERICAN DISTRICT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.
WE'VE SEEN THE NEW SETS OF CHALLENGES.
AND SO WE HAVE TO GET THIS RIGHT, BECAUSE IN THESE TIMES NOW DESCENDING EXPANDS AGAIN, THE ISSUE OF EQUITY, THAT'S DIRECT CONNECTION TO WHO REPRESENTS YOU AND SENDING YOU ISSUES.
AND ALSO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE THE PEOPLE.
SO IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHY THIS PROCESS HERE, THERE'S A CERTAIN KIND OF URGENCY NOT UNDERSTANDING.
WE MADE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT MR. YACHT HAS ABOUT, ABOUT THE FIGHT THAT, THAT THESE DISTRICTS CAN BE PRODUCED.
UM, OF COURSE HAS BEEN DIFFICULT GIVEN AUSTIN'S POPULATIONS CHILLS, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET THAT DOWN.
WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS ONE, THE NEXT ACT, WHICH HAS BEEN DIMINISHED, BUT STILL EXISTS.
IT'S NOT, THERE'S A LEGAL, LEGAL UMBRELLA HERE AS WELL.
SO THE MOUSE WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THE DAY, WE'LL MOVE OUT A BLANK OPPORTUNITY DISTRICT AS WELL AS THREE HISPANIC DISTRICTS WILL, YOU WILL SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF, UM, GENUINE MINORITY REPRESENTATION.
THE CITY HALL ADOPTED THE PLAN THAT PROPOSED.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOU WORK, UH, YOUR TIME INVESTMENT.
AND ALSO JUST ONE FINAL DECISION YOU MAKE IS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE CITY.
WE INHERIT JOSEPH LIGHT BROWN AND THEN ALSO ASIAN PEOPLE AS WELL.
SO WHAT YOU, BESIDE HERE IN THIS PROCESS, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A VERY IMPORTANT STAMP ON THE MOST OBSERVED CITY NATION, AUSTIN, TEXAS, BECAUSE OF THE TINY BLACK POPULATION AND THE HISTORIC INEQUITY HERE ON FARES.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A BURDEN THAT WE CARRY AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, WE'RE WATCHING FROM EVERY ANGLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE BEEN USE THE BEST POSSIBLE WITH MINIMAL DILUTION.
ABSOLUTELY NONE, AND A FAIR PROCESS FOR THESE FOUR DISTRICTS.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND APPRECIATE YOU SACRIFICE.
BARRIENTOS JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND IN YEARS IN THE TEXAS HOUSE, 20 YEARS IN THE TEXAS SENATE.
AND BY THE WAY, I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CITY CHARTER COMMISSION, WHICH PUT FORTH ONE DISTRICT PRESENTLY THE WELL, I WAS A FORMER CHAIR OF THE AUSTINITES FOR GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION.
AND NOW THE CURRENT CULTURE OF THE NAACP ON HISPANIC COALITION.
SO FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND FIELD REDISTRICTING, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
WE THINK THAT THE CENSUS NUMBERS OF THE, OF THAT, UH, JUSTIFY REPRESENTATION IN 2013, UM, WE LIKE YOUR MATH CONSULTANT HAVE FOLLOWED ALL CONSTITUTIONAL AND VOTING RIGHTS GUIDELINES.
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THIS BODY WILL GIVE CAREFUL AND THOROUGH CONSIDERATION OF OUR PROPOSAL WITH THAT.UH, YOU HAVE MUCH BUSINESS TO DO SO I WILL CONCLUDE THERE UNLESS THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS, GOOD EVENING CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
AT FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR THE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING FOR THE PEOPLE OF AUSTIN.
JUST SOUTH OF HERE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES WILL BE REDRAWN BY ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE NOT INDEPENDENT.
UH, INDEPENDENCE MAKES A DIFFERENCE, ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY VOTERS AND NON-VOTERS ALIVE LAW, PUBLIC SERVANTS TO HAVE INTEGRITY, HONESTY, AND OBEY CONSTITUTION, THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS OF THE LAND.
IT WAS MY PRIVILEGE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF DISTRICT ONE AND THE CITY CITIZENS OF AUSTIN AS THE FIRST AMERICAN OF AFRICAN DESCENT, ELECTED TO THE MODERN CITY COUNCIL, AS ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THE NAACP AND THE HISPANIC COALITION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FEW POINTS REGARDING THE WORK OF THIS CONDITION.
THE CHARTER PROVISIONS PASSED BY THE VOTERS IDENTIFIED IN THE CHARTER, THE PRIORITIES ALL COMMISSIONS MUST FOLLOW TO ESTABLISH AND REDRAW THE BOUNDARIES OF COUNCIL DISTRICTS SPECIFICALLY SECTION THREE, HE IDENTIFIES TWO TOP PRIORITIES DISTRICTS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT SHALL HAVE REASONABLE EQUALLY POPULATION WITH OTHER DISTRICTS EXCEPT WHERE DEVIATION IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
THE SECOND ONE IS THAT THE DISTRICT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT IN HAND.
THE OTHER REQUIREMENT OF FEDERAL AND STATE.
IT IS OUR POSITION THAT THE MAPS FOR THE FOUR DISTRICTS PRESENTED TONIGHT COMPLY WITH THESE SECTIONS OF THE CITY CHARTER, WHICH GOVERN REDISTRICTING, AS YOU WILL SEE FROM THE PRESENTATION, THE MAPS ARE SPECIFIC TO ETHNIC GROUPS PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION AND THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
THE MAPS ALSO ALIGNED WITH CURRENT AND DISTORT OBJECTIVES.
THE MAPS ENSURED THAT THE EASTERN WE'LL HAVE GEOGRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION.
PEOPLE WILL BE REPRESENTED BY A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO LIVES IN THE SAME GEOGRAPHICAL AREA.
AND THE DISTRICTS ASSURE THAT THE UNIQUE VOICES OF PEOPLE IN THE EASTERN QUESTION ARE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL.
THESE DISTRICTS WILL RECOGNIZE THE DISTRICT OF OUR FAMILIES AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATION.
AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INTEREST AND YOUR FOCUS ON THIS ISSUE AND, UM, TAKE CARE.
IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN, AND IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT, UH, YOU'VE BEEN MAKING GREAT PROGRESS.
UH, I MIGHT ADD THAT I WAS ACTUALLY THE, THE THIRD CO-CHAIR OF AUSTINITES FOR GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION, AND IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE THIS PROCESS GOING THROUGH SO WELL, THE SECOND TIME THROUGH, I THINK IT WORKED WELL THE FIRST TIME.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE AN EVEN BETTER PRODUCT.
SO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR WORK AND YOUR EFFORT, UH, AS COUNCIL MEMBER OF HOUSTON SAID, UH, IN WHICH YOU WOULD READING DIRECTLY FROM THE CHARTER OF THERE'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE.
IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE ADOPTING WEEDMAPS AND THAT'S THE ISSUE OF VARIANTS.
HOW MUCH ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW THE DISTRICTS TO VARY FROM YOUR IDEAL POPULATION? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOOD REASONS, LEGAL REASONS, VALID REASONS TO VARY.
THERE'S SOME NOT SO GOOD REASONS TO VARY, BUT YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THINGS JUST AS THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN, OR BECAUSE IT IS FAVORABLE TO SOME OR OTHER, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, WE REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT WE CARE ABOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO VARY THE DISTRICTS, WE'RE DOING IT FOR VERY GOOD REASONS.
ONE VERY GOOD REASON IS TO COMPLY WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
I BELIEVE THE MAPS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE IN A MINUTE, UH, DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF DOING THAT.
AND THE AMOUNT OF VARIANCE OF THE 2013 WAS, UH, ALLOWED TO BE, I BELIEVE WITH PLUS OR MINUS 5%, THE MAPS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TONIGHT, THE MAXIMUM VARIANCE THAT WE SEE IS RIGHT AT 2%.
SO IT'S NOT MUCH VARIANCE AND IT GETS US A VERY, VERY GOOD MAPS THAT WOULD BE PROTECTIVE OF OUR EXISTING OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP ALL OF THAT IN MIND, AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING MAPS.
AND AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING VARIOUS PROPOSALS WITH YOUR MATES HAVE MODIFY THEM AND TAKE THEM OFF
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OF THE IDEAL POPULATION.THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE.
THE OTHER PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS AREAS SIMPLY NOT IN THE BIG ENOUGH CONCENTRATION YET OF ASIAN VOTERS TO CREATE ANY KIND OF DISTRICT, NOR HAS THERE BEEN A FINDING THAT ASIANS ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST SUFFICIENTLY TO BE ABLE TO BE FOUND AS A PROTECTED CLASS UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT MAJORITY STATUS AND OPPORTUNITY STATUS DISTRICTS ARE TERMS OF ART.
THESE ARE LEGAL TERMS. WE DON'T FOLLOW THEM AROUND BECAUSE IT MAKES US FEEL GOOD.
UH, GEORGE IS A EXTREMELY EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY IN THIS FIELD.
YOUR OTHER COUNSEL IS EVEN MORE EXPERIENCED.
THE REASON I KNOW THAT IS THAT WHEN I WAS IN LAW SCHOOL, I WAS HIS CLERK IN THE AREA OF REDISTRICTING.
AND HE TRAINED ME IN THAT AREA.
I LEFT LAW SCHOOL BECAUSE I NEEDED TO MAKE MONEY DOING SOMETHING ELSE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE DONE IS REDISTRICTING FOR 45 YEARS.
SO I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND I TALK ABOUT TERMS OF ART AND LAW.
LET ME BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO PRESENT TO YOU.
UH, WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE FIRST TWO ITEMS UNDER YOUR LIGHT LEFT PRIORITY LIST.
UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE CHARTER WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU, WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU THREE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS.
I GEORGE, WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND ARE WORKING ON THE FOUR DISTRICTS.
WE HAVE NOT WORKED AT VTD, WHICH IS A LARGE BLOCK OF VOTERS.
WE'VE GONE TO THE BLOCK LEVEL AND WE HAVE WORKED AS HARD AS WE CAN ON AT THE BLOCK LEVEL TO TRY TO CREATE AS MANY MAJORITY MINORITY OR MINORITY OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS AS WAS POSSIBLE.
UH, THE, UH, YOU HAVE OUR LIST OF BULLET POINTS, BUT LET ME GO OVER BRIEFLY WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AND WE AGREE WITH GEORGE ON THIS FOR CHANGING TOO.
IT IS IT'S VERY, ANSWER'S NOT SIGNIFICANT.
AND IT IS A MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICT.
IT IS, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CREATE A MAJORITY OR, UH, SO MAJORITY MINORITY, MAJORITY BLACK DISTRICT IN AUSTIN, IT WAS, THAT WAS SO EIGHT YEARS AGO, OR WE COULDN'T DO IT THEN, OR SEVEN YEARS AGO, THERE IS SIMPLY NOT A LARGE ENOUGH CONCENTRATION OF BLACKS IN THIS TECH COMMUNITY.
I'LL ALSO TELL YOU THAT THE FACT IS, IS IT BECAUSE OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY BEING DRIVEN OUT OF AUSTIN BY HOT, BY HIGH PRICES AND A CONSCIOUS POLICY OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THERE IS EVEN LESS OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
OUR GOAL WAS TO TAKE WHERE BLACKS WERE CONCENTRATED.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER YOUR SCATTER CHARTS THAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN SHOWN THAT IS STILL IN EAST AUSTIN, OUR EFFORT WAS AT THE BLOCK LEVEL TO CONCENTRATE AS MANY AFRICAN-AMERICANS AS POSSIBLE IN A DISTRICT.
IT CREATED A BLACK OPPORTUNITY DISTRICT, WHICH WE'LL SHOW YOU IN JUST A MINUTE.
WHAT WE ALSO DID AS, AS WE, WE ALSO MADE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO CREATE THE TWO OTHER HISPANIC DISTRICTS AND NOT THREE TO GIVE THE BLACKS AND MAJORITY BASE BAGS AND MAJORITY, AND ALSO THE AMOUNT OF DEVIATION FROM IDEAL IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
UM, AND THAT'S, AS YOU CAN SEE OUR SUMMARY PAGE, UH, WE THEREFORE WE MADE NO CHANGES IN INTUIT ALL, UH, LET'S LET'S GO TO THE MAPS SHIT YOU HAD, THAT'S AN EX THAT'S AN X SLIDE.
WHOEVER'S PLAYING WITH THE SLIDES OVER THERE, OUR NEXT BIN, DEREK'S THE NEXT OURS.
AND THAT WASN'T THAT, WHATEVER THE NEXT THING IS, JUST GO THROUGH.
YOU HAVE TO GO TO OTHER STATISTICS, THE OTHER STATISTICS, WHATEVER THE NEXT SLIDE IS, GO TO IT.
WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THE THREE DISTRICTS WE DID TARGET.
AND WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH WAS A DEVIATION OF 0.8, NINE, 2.02 AND POINT AND POINT 0.25 UNDER IDEAL.
WELL, WE ENDED UP WITH DISTRICT ONE AS A DISTRICT THAT A DISTRICT, WHICH IS NOW, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S 26, APPROXIMATELY 26% AFRICAN-AMERICAN IT WAS STILL, I STILL 28% HISPANIC.
I CAN ASSURE YOU HAVING WORKED ON THIS.
PERSONALLY, WE LOOKED, WE FOUND EVERY AFRICAN-AMERICAN ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE CITY.
THE ONLY WAY WE'VE HAD GOTTEN THIS NAME, MORE AFRICAN AMERICANS THAT WE DIDN'T ANNEX MANNER.
UM, THE OTHER TWO DISTRICTS, AS YOU WILL SAY, UH, ARE, ARE, UH, FOUR IS
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A MAJORITY, UH, HISPANIC OR HISPANIC DISTRICT.AND THREE IS, IS A HISPANIC OPPORTUNITY DISTRICT.
THERE IS A THING IN HERE YOU WILL SEE CALLED VOTING AGE POPULATION.
SO IT WASN'T VOTING AGE POPULATION THAT BECAME AVAILABLE TO US.
GOSH AFTERNOON, IT IS NOT POPULATION.
IT IS A SURVEY DONE BY A SEPARATE ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS USED IN THIS SORT OF THING.
THE PROBLEM FOR HISPANICS IS IT CITIZEN VOTING AGE, DIMINISHES THEIR NUMBERS, BUT FOR TWO REASONS, ONE HIGH BIRTH RATES AND TWO IN THIS PART OF THE UNITED STATES FACT THAT THEY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR COMMUNITY WHO ARE NOT CITIZENS.
WHAT WE CAN TELL YOU IS IT THREE AS AN OPPORTUNITY DISTRICT, WE BELIEVE FOR AS A SOLID, UH, AS A SOLID HISPANIC DISTRICT, FOUR WAS AN OPPORTUNITY DISTRICT BEFORE THESE ARE OUR INITIAL NUMBERS.
WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR TWO DAYS WHEN WE GOT FOR TWO SOLID DAYS, WHEN WE GOT ACCESS TO THE NECESSARY CENSUS DATA.
AND WE BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS ARE AS GOOD AS WE CAN DO IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, WE ARE NOT ANNOUNCING THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE.
UH, WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING AND HAPPY TO MEET WITH MR. KORBEL AND TO WORK WITH HIM ON TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS EVEN BETTER THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TONIGHT, BECAUSE FRANKLY ACCESS TO OUR DATA DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL 48 HOURS AGO OR 72 HOURS AGO.
BUT WHAT WE DO THINK WE HAVE DONE IT MADE OUR INITIAL CHARGE, WHICH IS WE HAVE CREATED FOUR DISTRICTS, WHICH HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD ELECT A MINORITY AND THE CASES, AS WE SAY, IN OUR OLDER PIT, WE SAID AND TOLD OUR OVERVIEW, THE ISSUE WE HAVE IS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAS BEEN THE NUMBER OF BLACKS THAT HAD BEEN DRIVEN OUT OF AUSTIN AND EAST, NORTHEAST AUSTIN.
AND THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY IS A CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION ISSUE.
AND WE NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THEIR DATA, BUT WE CAN CREATE DISTRICTS THAT ARE EITHER OPPORTUNITY OR MAJORITY IS MANAGED BY POPULATION.
WE DO HAVE A STRONG OPINION, AND MY LEADERSHIP MAY WANT ME TO EXPRESS THIS CLEARLY TO YOU.
WE BELIEVE THE MAPS WE ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT SHOULD BE THE ANCHOR FOR THE MAPS THAT YOU WERE PRESENTING.
SEE WHY YOU SHOULD DRAW THE OTHER SIX MAPS IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS IN YOUR BROWNIES, BUT BECAUSE THE MINORITY COMMUNITY OBLIGATION TO DRAW MAPS AND GIVE THEM THE MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITY OR BASE VOTE IS YOUR FIRST TWO PRIORITIES.
WE BELIEVE THAT MAPS THAT WE CAN, WE ARE PRESENTING OUR MAPS, THAT WE WILL WORK WITH YOU TO FINALIZE SHOULD BE THE, SHOULD BE THE ANCHOR FOR A TEN ONE SYSTEM.
IT WAS SO LAST TIME MAPS PUT TOGETHER FOR THE MINORITY DISTRICTS.
WE BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY WERE TOP PRIORITY AND BECAUSE THEY ARE PROTECTED UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND THE CONSTITUTION NEED TO BE THE BOTTOM LINE ANCHORED WITH ANY SYSTEM OF 10 DISTRICTS, WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST TO PRESENT TO YOU.
WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE THE BEST MAPS AT THE BLOCK LEVEL THAT WE KEPT.
WE COULD, WE HAVE THE ACTUAL MAPS THEMSELVES AND OUR SLIDESHOW, BOTH THIS VERSION, WHICH YOU COME IN HANDY, BUT SHOWS THE ACTUAL DISTRICTS THEMSELVES.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE ACTUAL MAPS AT THE STREET LEVEL OF THE FOUR DISTRICT OF THE THREE, THE THREE DISTRICTS I REPEAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO HAVE A MAP.
A TWO, YOU ALREADY HAVE ONE IN THE SEAT.
NOW, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? JOIN ME.
I ASSUME YOU COULD HANDLE THEM TOGETHER.
THIS IS NOT BY THE WAY BETWEEN GEORGIA AND MY PEOPLE, AN ANTAGONISTIC PROCESS.
WE ARE SIMPLY TAKING THE POSITION THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY, THE SAME WAY YOUR CHARTER PROVISION IS STRUCTURED.
OURS IS A PRIORITY ABOVE DOING THINGS LIKE WORRYING ABOUT THE DISTRICT AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
WE JUST THINK OURS IS MORE IMPORTANT.
THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIR, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING SHE DIRECTS ME TO.
I THINK I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH HOW THIS DATA IS BEING PRESENTED.
IF WE'RE AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION, I THINK IT FEELS LIKE IT'S FORCEFUL.
AND IF THERE'S A TEAM COLLABORATIVE, WE ARE OPEN TO NEGOTIATION.
THOSE ARE STRONG TERMS TO USE.
AND I JUST WANT TO CALL OUT THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM IN WAYNE OF WHAT AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION SHOULD BE DOING.
YOUR, YOUR MASS MAKES ME BETTER UNDERSTAND ABOUT EVERY THIRD WORD.
AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA HEAR IT.
LANGUAGE BEING USED SEEMS A LITTLE NON-COLLABORATIVE
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FOR AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION.WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE ORGANIZATION MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE OFFER TO HELP, BUT, BUT IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE.
WE WILL TAKE THE LANGUAGE ITSELF SEEMS STRONG, AND THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS MADE AROUND.
THIS IS NOT AN IMPORTANCE FOR YOU.
THIS SHOULD BE AN IMPORTANT, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL INVADED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
I'M SORRY IF IT DOESN'T FEEL FRIENDLY, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH GEORGE OVER DETAILS.
BUT AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, WE REPRESENT PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTED BY STATE LAW, FEDERAL LAW, BY BEING ASSURED OF THEIR REPRESENTATION.
AND WE HAVE MADE GOOD FAITH EFFORT AND DONE A GREAT DEAL OF WORK, PROVIDE YOU WITH A REWORK OF MAPS THAT DEAL WITH THAT PART OF TOWN, WHERE THOSE PEOPLE LIVE IN A MANNER THAT ASSURES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, OR IN THE CASE OF WHERE THEY'RE A MAJORITY, THE GUARANTEE OF THE ABILITY TO ALEXA, BEYOND THAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO DICTATE, AND WE THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO DICTATE ANY OTHER DISTRICTS, HOW YOU, WHAT YOU DO TO RESPOND TO THE MAPS WE'VE LAID OUT IN TERMS OF HOW YOU DRAW OTHER DISTRICTS.
WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T THINK WE EVER SHOULD HAVE.
NO, IT JUST FEELS LIKE I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE STRONG OPINIONS.
I THINK OUR JOB AS AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION IS TO REPRESENT ALL OF AUSTIN IN ALL OF THAT WORK IS IMPORTANT, NOT JUST THIS DISTRICT OR THAT DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S ALL I WANT TO CALL IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE CONCERN TO ADDRESS, UH, SIMILAR STATEMENTS, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PRESENTATION AND THE FACT THAT WE FORM LOCKS THAT ARE DRAWN SO THAT WE'RE NOT GUESSING.
I HATE THE IDEA THAT WE MIGHT BE SITTING AROUND A TABLE TRYING TO TRY AND TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT SOMETHING AND HAVE TO GUESS THE DETAILS.
SO I APPRECIATE, UH, THIS TYPE OF APPROVAL OF A PRESENTATION.
I'M ONLY SAYING THIS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AT LEAST MORE THAN ONE SIDE OF THIS DISCUSSION.
I RESPECT WHAT THE, WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER JUST SAID, BUT I ALSO WANT TO GO ON RECORD SAYING THAT I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PRESENTATION.
I THINK THAT, UH, I'VE SEEN COLLABORATIONS OVER THE LAST 70 YEARS, AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, MOST OF IT WAS AROUND A TREAT.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT LEGALLY, AND I THINK GORD CAN DIRECTLY BY MS. MS. REPRESENTED BY ATTORNEY AN OPPORTUNITY DISTRICT IS CREATED AS A DISTRICT THAT CREATES A MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITY OR A PROJECTED MINORITY GROUP TO ELECT SOMEONE FROM THAT AREA.
IT DOES NOT GUARANTEE IT, BUT IT CREATES A MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DO SO.
AND THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW HIM NOT BEEN WITH YOU THROUGH EVERYTHING SINCE THE BEGINNING, THAT WAS IT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY TO WORK WITH YOU.
BUT OUR POINT IS VERY SPECIFIC.
WE BELIEVE THIS VERSION OF THESE MAPS.
WE'RE NOT STUCK WITH FOURTH STREET OR THIRD STREET IS THE ANCHOR FROM WHICH YOU'VE DONE FOR ALL THE REST OF THE MAPS, BECAUSE THESE ARE PROTECTED MINORITY GROUPS WE'RE DEALING WITH.
THAT'S THE POINT WE'RE TRYING.
NO PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING BELLIGERENT ABOUT IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, OH, THE COMMISSIONERS NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU HAVE ANY FRIENDS FOR 40 YEARS.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE POINT HERE.
I JUST, UM, I'D LOVE MORE INSIGHT ON USING THE, I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU DREW YOURS OR USED BLOCKS AND THAT MR. CORBELL USED THE, UM, 13 DISTRICTS.
SO JUST IF YOU COULD GIVE A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT ON HOW THAT HELPED YOU IT, AND IF I KNOW THE COUNTY ALSO HAS SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT USING SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC THAN THE PRECINCT, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT MY QUESTION IS, BUT JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT OKAY TO BE AT THAT GRANULAR LEVEL? NO, YOU'RE OKAY.
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BETTER.UH, MR. CARBO MAY HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THIS, THIS CYCLE VGD IS HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH PRECINCTS.
THEY HAD NO RELATIONSHIP TO AUSTIN PRECINCTS WHATSOEVER.
UH, NUMBER TWO, IF YOU REMEMBER THE TESTIMONY FROM THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR, YOU HAD BREE SINKS, IT LOOKED LIKE SOMEBODY HIT HIM WITH A HAMMER.
SO TRYING TO USE ELECTION PRECINCTS, UNLESS SHE'D BEEN ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM IS NOT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL.
NOW I DID NOT LOOK AT BTDS BECAUSE OF MY HISTORY WITH THEM IN THE LAST CYCLE.
WHEN I DID WITH CONSULT, MY HEAD IS I SAID, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED SPECIFICALLY WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
AND HE USED TO AUSTIN, WE NEED TO GO WITH THE PRE, WE NEED TO GO TO THE BLOCK LEVEL AND TRY TO ASSEMBLE AS MUCH OF A BLACK COMMUNITY AS WE CAN ASSEMBLE YOU.
AIN'T GOING TO ASSEMBLE THAT AT ANY POLICING, WHICH PDDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENT IN ANY PRECINCT.
I SUPERVISE WITH METOPROLOL DEALING WITH AN ENTIRE CITY OF THIS SIZE.
BTDS I HAVE DONE OTHER CITIES AND HAVE MADE THE SAME DECISION IN OTHER CENSUS AREAS WHERE THE BTDS AND OTHER YEARS OF CORRESPONDED TO SOMETHING FLOATING PRECINCT, BUT THE EXPERIENCE FROM 10 YEARS AGO AND WHAT I WAS, WE WERE TOLD BY THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT HER OWN REASONS.
NOW I LOOKED AT AND SAID, WE MIGHT GO BY MUMBLY PAGE IS TRYING TO USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN FOX.
I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE USED BLOCKS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS TO RESIGN.
YOU KNOW, IF I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE, THEN BTDS ARE FINE.
I MEAN, IF YOU KNOW, 80% BLACK IN EVERY DIRECTION CARES, BUT AT THE EDGES I HAVE EVEN IN AREAS THAT ARE CONSPICUOUSLY PROTECTED, I HAVE GONE AND GOTTEN A BLOCK HERE AND DUMPED A BLOCK THERE BECAUSE THE MOVEMENT OF MINORITY GROUPS AND THE MOVEMENT OF WHITES VERSUS MINORITY OFTEN DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH EVERYBODY IN A PRECINCT GETTING SHUT DOWN.
THIS BLOCK TURNS WHITE, THIS BLOCK DOESN'T SO YOU DON'T THIS BLOCK AND YOU MOVED THAT BAR IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL.
AND SO THAT'S HOW YOU DO WHAT GEORGE AND I HAVE BEEN DOING.
MOST OF OUR ADULT LIVES THIS TIME, WE DIDN'T BOTHER TO CHECK.
WE JUST STARTED THERE AND WENT FROM THERE TO TRY TO FIND AS MANY AFRICAN AMERICANS AS WE POSSIBLY COULD.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MAP AND HERE IS YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THERE ISN'T TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCES BECAUSE THERE JUST AREN'T THAT MANY BLACK PEOPLE LEFT.
AND HE USED TO AUSTIN, WHAT WE DID FOR INSTANCE, AS WE LEFT THE LBJ SCHOOL, BECAUSE OUR LEADERSHIP THANKS TO THE LBJS MUSEUM AND SCHOOL OR IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, WE TOOK ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE SOUTH OF THERE.
AND JUST LIKE THEM, WE GAVE IT TO THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING YOU DO AT THE BLOCK LEVEL.
I DON'T, I DOUBT THERE'S A BGP MAYBE, BUT THAT'S THE SORT OF THING YOU DO LAST TIME WHEN YOUR PREDECESSOR, IT THEY'VE KNOWN A LOT OF BLACK PEOPLE LIVING EAST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN AUSTIN.
SO THIS LEFT THE BANK UP AND SAID, WE'LL JUST THROW IT IN.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S THOSE KINDS OF VARIATIONS AND THOSE KINDS OF DIFFERENCES IN APPROACH, HIS APPROACH IS NOT SOME NEFARIOUS PLOT.
CHRISTIAN, ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT IN RESPONSE? YES.
WE MOVED SOMETHING AND WE HAD TO EXPAND FOR WORK TO MAKE IT SOMETHING LESS THAN 20% UNDER SIZE.
AND GEORGE TOOK A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH.
I THINK IT'S THE SAME APPROACH, THE SAME PROBLEM WE DID RESOLVE IT.
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WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH GEORGE AND TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT, OUR OFFICIAL POSITION.I THINK STRESS IS IT? YES, MA'AM THIS THE FOUR DISTRICTS AND THE REST OF WHAT YOU DO NOT MEAN THAT THIS WAS BUILDING NATURE PYRAMID AND SAYING, THIS APPROACH NEEDS TO BE THE, WHERE YOU START.
WE REALLY WORK MOUNT BAKER TO MOUNT BAKER TO GET CARDS, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE BLACK DISTRICT, IF ANYTHING, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME WAX.
AND AS FAR AS THE OTHER DISTRICTS ARE CONCERNED, WELL, WE CAN WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS TO MAKE THOSE.
SO WHAT WE DO NOT WANT TO DO IS SACRIFICE ANY BLACKS OR ANY HISPANICS IN THESE FOUR DISTRICTS.
AND MY COALITION HAS OFFERED ME TO SAY THAT WE WOULD OBJECT, BUT WE WOULDN'T JACK ANYTHING THAT DIMINISHERS AND NUMBERS THAT WE WILL COME UP WITH REAL SUPPORT, ANYTHING, PLEASE.
THAT'S JUST A STRAIGHTFORWARD LINE, BUT WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR JOINING THE CITY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DEFENDING MINORITY REPRESENTATION.
THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UM, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR CAUSE IT'S DIRECTLY, I THINK IT WAS DIRECTED AT THE ENTIRE CONDITION.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. YOUNG, DO WE HAVE ANY CONTROL AS IN MOVE ON TO ANY QUESTIONS? I APPRECIATE YOU, MR. YANG.
UM, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE REST OF THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER YOU HI, MR. YOUNG.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, AND, AND PLEASE, EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE.
UM, I KNOW OF COURSE YOU REPRESENT THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION AND, UM, I'M JUST, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED WAS THAT ASIAN POPULATIONS IS RATHER SMALL.
UM, IT'S, IT'S RATHER SMALL AND NOT CONCENTRATING.
IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT WHERE YOU TO BE FOUND TO BE IN THIS GROUP, DISCRIMINATED AGAINST PARTY ROOM.
I'VE DONE THIS, HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH AGENCY LEADERS REPRESENT THE COUNCIL.
YOU ALL ARE NOT CONCENTRATED ENOUGH FOR US TO JOIN A DISTRICT.
UH, I'M NOT, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT MY QUESTION, BUT I, UH, APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I'M JUST, UM, I DO FEEL LIKE I, I AM A MINORITY, UM, IN ONE OF YOUR, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A WHOLE DISTRICT, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE MINORITY, UH, DISTRICTS, WOULD IT, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO DUMP US IN HERE TOO, TO KIND OF ADD TO YOUR NUMBERS? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW HAS TO DO WITH REGULATIONS ABOUT REPRESENTATION.
I WORKED WITH THE COAST, VIETNAMESE FISH, GEORGE, AND MIRACO WHEN BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST SOMEWHERE, PHYSICALLY THE SOLUTION SEGREGATION DISCRIMINATION AS A GEOGRAPHIC ASPECT.
I THINK THAT THE GENDER OCCASION PROCESS DEALING WITH DEALING WITH DETERMINATION THAT HAS TO DO WITH SEGREGATION.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT AGENTS ARE NOT TERRIBLY TREATED SO FAR.
WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT YOU CREATE.
YOU DO, BRITTANY YOU IN THE PROCESS OF GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION IS EXTREMELY GUILTY BECAUSE OF THE WAY.
AND I TRIED TO FIX IT, BUT THAT'S NOT TERMINATING CLASS,
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BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH.OH, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT.
I WAS WONDERING IF, IF, UH, I THINK WHAT, LET ME TRY TO PARAPHRASE WHAT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO ME TO SEE IF I UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT POPULATION, THE ASIAN POPULATION CAN'T BE CONSIDERED IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ANALYSIS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONSIDERED TO BE A POPULATION THAT, THAT HAS BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN TERMS OF, UH, GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION.
IS IT A POPULATION THAT IS NOT FOUND TO BE HAVING BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, TO BE FOR YOU TO BE EXCLUDED? OKAY.
I'M IN SUBSETS, BUT THE ASIAN COMMUNITY IS TOO LARGE TO HAVE BEEN FOUND.
SORRY, IT'S JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS, MAYBE A SPLIT NUMBER DIFFERENCE ON A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS.
SO ONE THING I'M WONDERING THIS WORKS IN GENERAL, I'M PUTTING THIS OUT HERE.
I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION MAPS IN THEIR ENTIRETY, WHAT EFFECT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THE REST OF OUR MAPS.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED BEFORE WE CAN REALLY ADDRESS THIS, AND WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND ANSWER FOR OURSELVES.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS THE CORNERSTONE FOR THE REST OF THE MATH, WHAT THE DOWNSTREAM CONSEQUENCES ARE AS WE GO AHEAD, BEFORE WE EVALUATE THESE AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SORT OF OBSERVATIONAL, LIKE IS YOUR, WHY APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH MATT?
SO YES, THANK, BUT THERE'S AN ASPECT OF THAT THAT I THINK SOME MYSTERIES HAVE MADE POINTED OUT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC WHEN OUR JOB IS TO CREATE 10 DISTRICTS THAT REPRESENT THE CITY BLOCK.
SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BRING OUT AS A STARTING POINT IS MY INCLINATION WOULD BE TO BEGIN BY ACCEPTING THE NAACP COALITION MAPS AS A STARTING POINT TO BEGIN WITH, AND THEN WORK WITH THE CONSEQUENCES AND SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE NEGOTIATED, BUT YOUR OFFER TO HELP ON THE MAPS RINGS HOLLOW, GIVEN THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING PRESENTED TO US, THAT THE OTHER SISTERS ARE NOT YOUR CONCERN, BUT THEY ARE OUR CONCERN.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
MY POSITION IS I'VE REPRESENTED PEOPLE REALLY TO WORK WITH YOUR MAPMAKER TO MAKE HER PROCESS AS RATIONAL AS POSSIBLE.
BUT I CARE AS A PERSON, WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WAITING FOR COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE OF MY CLIENT, RIGHT? AND I APPRECIATE THAT WILLINGNESS, BUT IT'S ONLY, IT ONLY MEANS SO MUCH.
AND THAT'S THE OBSERVATION I'M MAKING AIRPORT, THE REST OF THE CITY.
AS I SAID, I MIGHT PUT MY PR OR 93 YEARS.
BUT BEYOND THAT, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, NOT MAKE HER TO MACRAME FOR YOU GUYS, GOING BACK AND WORKING ON SOMETHING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED IT TO US.
IT DOESN'T LET US, I DIDN'T LIKE IN 1971 HAVING ELECTED THE FIRST BLACK JUDGE IN 93 YEARS.
I DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT SIX YEARS LATER, TWO WHITE MEN TOLD BLACKS.
THEY COULD HAVE THEM HERE WITH WHITE MEN, WHITE.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS I DON'T LIKE ABOUT STUFF.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO DO A CITY.
I'M TAKING THE POSITION OF THE MINORITY COMMUNITY AS A RIGHT TO STAY TO CLAIM.
WHAT'S JUST FOR THEM, MENTAL WHITE PEOPLE WERE CHANGED.
SO THEY NEED TO FIX THEIR OWN.
WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A SYSTEM AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE BEAT ON THE DETAILS.
WHITE FOLKS GET TO FIX THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN MAPS WE CAN LIVE WITH.
WE COULD LIVE WITHOUT EVER HAVING A VOICE IN OUR GOVERNMENT.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE PASSION THAT EVERYONE IS BRINGING TO THIS CONVERSATION.
I JUST WANT, JUST TO STEP BACK IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN BROUGHT A RECOMMENDATION AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AND IT IS OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR MISSION, SORRY, I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER WORD, UH, TO DECIDE HOW TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD IN LIGHT OF THAT RECOMMENDATION.
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SO, UM, I, I PERSONALLY APPRECIATE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU ARE PRESENTING TO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR PROCESS.SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND ALSO JUST REMIND EVERYBODY IN THE LARGER PICTURE OF THINGS WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
SO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS, SORRY, LET ME JUST DO THIS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD GIVEN THIS RECOMMENDATION AND THANK YOU SO MUCH ALSO FOR BRINGING THE PRONOUNCE BECAUSE THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL.
YOU'RE RECOMMENDING MR. HARDEN HAS THE FLOOR COMMENT.
I, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, THE EXTREMELY DETAILED WORK YOU'VE DONE IN HAVING YOUR DATA.
I ALSO LIKED TO, UH, SHARE MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY IT'S CRITICAL TO FOCUS ON FARMING, UH, UH, MINORITY OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS FIRST BECAUSE OF THE COST AND A SECT ANALYSIS THAT MIGHT OCCUR.
IF WE DRAW EVERYTHING ELSE FIRST AND DRAW OUR EXTRACT MINORITIES FROM WHERE THEY'RE MOST CONCENTRATED, WE WILL LESSEN THE OPPORTUNITY POSSIBLY WITHOUT KNOWING IT.
UM, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE BLOCK LEVEL DATA BECAUSE YOU REALLY CAN LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN WHAT BLOCK OF WHAT AVENUE AND WHAT ZIP CODE AND UNDERSTAND THE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION THAT'S AT THAT BLOCK LEVEL.
UH, AS WE FUNCTION IN AN AGE OF GENTRIFICATION, UM, YOU CAN HAVE A WHAT'S CALLED AND QUAINT URBAN COTTAGE IN CENTRAL EAST.
THAT IS A 600 SQUARE FOOT WOOD FRAME HOME SITTING NEXT DOOR TO FREE BLOCKS OF MCMANSIONS WITH A NEW DEMOGRAPHIC.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE PRIORITY, THE URGENCY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF LOOKING AT AND FRAMING UP THE OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS FIRST AND USING THAT AS A CORNERSTONE FOR BUILDING OUT THE REST OF OUR MAPS.
HERE'S THE THING BASED ON RACE DEMOGRAPHICS, NO MATTER HOW WE CARVE UP THE REST OF THE CITY, PEOPLE OF THAT DEMOGRAPHIC WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LIKE THEM AND IDENTIFIES WITH THEM AND HAVE SOCIAL NORMS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, REPRESENTING THEIR INTEREST ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
IF WE DO THE OPPOSITE, CHANCES ARE PEOPLE IN THE OPPORTUNITY.
DISTRICTS WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE ON THE CITY COUNCIL WHO LOOKS LIKE FAM HOW SOCIAL NORMS AS THEM ECONOMIC INTEREST, ENVIRONMENTAL INTEREST, OR ANYTHING ELSE.
AND SO I, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE PASSION IN WHAT YOU PRESENTED.
I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE SIXTH OR APPROACH TO STATE THE URGENCY.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT TIME AND JUST SHARE THAT WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT I, I GET IT.
I WANT TO JUST ECHO OR SAY THAT I AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER HAS EXPRESSED, AND I THANK YOU AND EVERYONE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION FOR COMING TO US TODAY WITH THOSE MAPS THAT YOU PRODUCED SO QUICKLY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THIS GIVES US A STRONG STARTING POINT AS WE MOVE FURTHER INTO THE PROCESS.
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OKAY.THE MEETING STANDS FOR ASSESSED FOR 10 MINUTES.
WELL, WE'RE MAKING GOOD TIME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT MAY NOT COME TO 11:00 PM, BUT, UM, ARE WE ALL FEELING A CERTAIN WAY ABOUT, OR WE'RE ALL FEELING GOOD? ARE WE ALL READY TO KEEP GOING? YEAH.
SO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THREE C DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT MAP PRESENTED BY KORBEL.
WE WILL BE TAKING A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM MR. CORWELL ABOUT THE PRELIMINARY MAPS.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, UH, ALL OF THE SLIDES THAT HE HAS PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT.
SO WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THOSE A LITTLE FURTHER IN DEPTH.
NOW, PLEASE WRITE DOWN ANY TOPICS OF INTEREST OR PRIORITIES THAT YOU HAVE AS WE MAKE OUR WAY THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AT THE END OF OUR MEETING, I WILL GO AROUND THE ROOM AND ASK WHAT MAP YOU WANT COVERED IN NEXT WEDNESDAY'S MEETING, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF PROCESS FOR NEXT TIME.
UM, IF WE CAN PROCEED WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON CONSENSUS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, WHEN IT COMES TO A SUGGESTION MADE BY A COMMISSIONER, UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS IF A MOTION FAILS.
I THINK WE SHOULD AGREE TO MOVE ON AS THERE WILL BE MUCH MORE GROUND TO COVER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF STATE THAT NOW I WILL RESTATE THAT NEXT WEEK, BUT JUST KIND OF GOING INTO THIS MAPPING CONVERSATION WITH THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE WRITE THAT OUT IN ADVANCE AND SOMETHING MIGHT EVEN COME TO MIND TONIGHT THAT YOU WANT TO PRESENT TO US NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND I JUST WANT THAT IN WRITING TO REDUCE ANY MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS.
I THINK THAT'S JUST BEST PRACTICE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
UH, AND IT'S ALSO JUST A PERSONAL FLAVOR OF MINE BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO PROCESS WHEN SOMETHING IS IN WRITING.
UM, AND YOU ARE OF COURSE, WELCOME TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS BEYOND WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN OUT, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, UM, COMING INTO NEXT WEEK'S MEETING, JUST HAVE THAT IN WRITING QUESTION BLANK, I GUESS THE POINT OF ORDER.
SO, SO ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE TO THIS MAP THAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED IS GOING TO HAPPEN THROUGH MOTION IN THESE, I'M SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR YOU.
I CAN HEAR THAT YOU GOT MAD LAST TIME.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR SO THAT ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE TO THIS MAP ARE GOING TO HAPPEN THROUGH MOTIONS IN OUR FULL MEETINGS, RIGHT? EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST POINT BASICALLY.
SO WE HAVE OUR ONE-ON-ONES, THOSE ARE JUST FOR POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.
AND IN SOME CASES IT MIGHT JUST BE CONSENSUS AND EMOTION IS NOT REQUIRED, BUT IF THERE IS NOT CONSENSUS, THEN THAT WOULD BE EMOTIONAL, BUT EVEN ON A CONSENSUS CHANGE THAT WILL STILL HAPPEN IN THIS FULL FORUM.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, AND THAT, THAT I THINK IS GONNA MAKE LIFE A LOT BETTER AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, UH, AND I I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO A COUPLE OF WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE CHANCES OF OUR BEING ABLE TO, UM, MAKE BETTER USE OF OUR TIME IF WE PERHAPS COULD GET, UM, MR. CORBO, UM, TO MEET WITH, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO MEET WITH THE, UM, UM, MR. YOUNG AND SEE, SINCE THE MAPS ARE SO CLOSE AND SEE WHAT DIFFERENCES THEY COULD MAKE DISAPPEAR, AND THEN PRESENT IT TO THE GROUP.
AND THEN THE GROUP WOULD HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF COURSE, OF FINALIZING AND IN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE IT OR NOT, THEN JUST BECAUSE IT PRESENTED TO ME, WE HAVE TO GO WITH IT, BUT AT LEAST THERE WILL NOT BE A DIFFERENCE OF WHAT'S PRESENTED BY EACH OF THESE EXPERTS.
AND I WAS JUST, UH, I, IT'S NOT EMOTION, UH, OR I COULD MAKE A MOTION, BUT I'M NOT, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO NOW.
I WAS JUST THINKING THAT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE OUR, THE USE OF OUR TIME MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE.
I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER LANDS.
I SAW COMMISSIONER BLANK AND COMMISSIONER KANAAN.
UH, YEAH, I, I SORT OF, I WOULD SAY SHARE THE SAME.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CONCERN, BUT, UH, IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DISCREPANCIES AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE MINOR DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE MAP THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH.
THE NAPS THAT THE NAACP HISPANIC COALITION HAS PRESENTED IS A, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M THINKING ABOUT IN THIS DISCUSSION IS ARE WE IT'S AGAIN, IT'S ONLY GONNA AFFECT CERTAIN DISTRICTS WHERE CERTAIN DISTRICTS MEET, BUT I
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JUST WONDER IF THERE ISN'T A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO INCORPORATE THAT INFORMATION INTO THE DISCUSSION.BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT A SET OF MAPS THAT WE THEN CHANGED TO SATISFY THE COALITION CHRISTIAN AND FALCON.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION, SO THAT IT STILL FITS WITH THE PROCESS THAT YOU LAID OUT, IS THAT WHY DON'T WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE IS AND BRING THAT AS THE FIRST MOTION NEXT WEDNESDAY.
SO THEN WE'RE STARTING WITH THAT TO BUILD ALL FURTHER MOTIONS ON TOP OF, BY LETTING THE TWO EXPERTS MEET WITH EACH OF THEIR TOP AND THEN PRESENT THE WAS WHAT THEY RETWEET YOU CREATE TOO.
SO WE CAN PASS EMOTIONAL THAT WAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MOST OF US ARE CLEAN.
I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT TO RECONCILE WITH ANY COMPANY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF IT'S APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT, UM, WE, UM, UH, DIRECT OR INSTRUCT, UM, MR. CARBO TO MEET WITH, UM, MR. YOUNG AND THOSE INVOLVED AND WORK OUT WHATEVER THE DIFFERENCES ARE.
SINCE HE'S ALREADY SAID, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO US AS A PRESENTATION.
IF THERE'S A SECOND, I'M TYPING OUT WHAT YOU SAID.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEEN A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.
AND SECOND IS DIRECT MR. POURABLE TO MEET WITH MR. YANG AND THOSE FAULTS TO WORK OUT THE DIFFERENCES ON MAPS FOR DISTRICTS ONE THROUGH FOUR, AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AS A PRESENTATION.
MAY I ASK MR. CORBELL OR A MAPPING EXPERT FOR HIS THOUGHTS ON THE MOTION? THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WE WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ME WHEN I WAS THINKING I WOULD TRY AND DO WITH CONVERSATIONS.
WE CAN PUT TOGETHER PROPOSALS FOR THE WEEK AND THE MATH CHANGE, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS, SOMEBODY SAYS.
I'D RATHER HAVE A LINE ON THE STREET MIX, MICHELLE CAMPBELL.
UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION MADAM CHAIR.
SO WOULD YOU, UM, AND MR.
AND I GOT A SCHEDULE MEETINGS THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE DOING THIS WEEK, BRUCE AND DAVE, ARE WE STILL HAVING ANY OF THAT SCHEDULED? YES.
CAN YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON? YOU JUST TAP THE, THERE IS NO FURTHER COMPLICATION OR QUESTION I BY CALL FOR THE QUESTION.
SO THE QUESTION IS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE MOTION THAT WE DIRECT MR. CORBELL TO MEET WITH MR. YOUNG AND THOSE INVOLVED TO WORK OUT DIFFERENCES IN MAPS FOR DISTRICTS ONE THROUGH FOUR, AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AS A PRESENTATION, THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, AYE, OKAY.
ARE WE CONTENT TO MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT MR. KORBEL SNACKS, THEN TWO POINTS FOR THE WORKPLACE.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, A RECONCILIATION OF THE MAPS, THEN THE INVESTMENT OF OUR TIME TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS SURELY GOING TO CHANGE OR NO MORE THAN SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS MIGHT BE BETTER IF WE WOULD PUT THIS OFF AND ADDRESS THIS.
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AND WHEN WE HAVE THE FINAL PRODUCT TO, UH, TO TALK ABOUT JUST THAT THOUGH, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT THEN NOW THAT I'VE HEARD THE CONVERSATION PLOW THE WAY I THINK I UNDERSTAND THIS JUST FITS INTO THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING HERE, WHICH IS THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MAPS, WE'RE ALL WE ALL MIGHT DO.ALL MY PROPOSAL, A BUNCH OF CHANGES.
AND THEN NEXT WEEK, WHERE WAS GOING TO BRING US A VERSION THAT INCORPORATES THOSE VARIOUS CHANGES FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, INCLUDING THE CHANGES PRESENTED BY THE NAACP.
SO I THINK JUST FOR THE SAKE OF BACK SQUANDERING THIS OPPORTUNITY, IF PEOPLE WANT TO START THE PROCESS, I THINK WE STILL PROBABLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MAPS AS IS TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S STILL ALSO, I MEAN, DISTRICT ONE FOR, IF YOU THINK ABOUT AS CLUSTERS HERE, RIGHT? 2, 3, 1, 4, 9, AND SEVEN ARE ALL ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
AND I GUESS FIVE TO SOME EXTENT, BUT A LOT OF THE MOVEMENT IS ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE IN SIX AND 10, WHICH WE SHOULD PROBABLY STILL DISCUSS THIS EVENING AT THE VERY LEAST I'LL THROW MY DISTRICT IN AIDS.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE CAN STILL GET SOMETHING DONE, I THINK THIS EVENING.
IS IT POSSIBLE, ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT THE MAPS ON THE SCREENS? IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO FOLLOW ALONG FOR ME PERSONALLY.
IS THERE LIKE, IS IT, CAN WE LOG INTO THE ZOOM OR COULD WE MOVE THE SCREEN CLOSER OR IS THERE ANYTHING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT IT WAS JUST HARD TO FOLLOW ALONG DURING THE INITIAL PRESENTATION? WELL, TO MAYBE TURN DOWN THE LIGHTS.
SO THERE'S MORE CONTRAST WITH THE SCREENS.
IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE FROM HERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THESE TVS ARE MOBILE NOW.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE PRESENTATION OUT.
MA'AM ALL RIGHT, MR. KORBEL FLORES, IT'S ALL YOU, AS I SAID, UM, MAPS THAT ARE POSED BY THE NAACP ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE MAPS AND NOT BE DIFFICULT AND MAKE SOME CHANGES SO THAT IT WOULD FIT INTO THE OVERALL SCHEME.
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IF THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK IS FAST, MR. PEBBLE, I'M ALSO WONDERING IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO THE COMMISSION, UM, HOW THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT APPLIES TO THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING SINCE IT IS IN THE CITY CHARTER.WELL, IT WAS, AND IT WAS THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS WE CREATED, WE CREATED SEVERAL DIFFERENT VISION.
THERE'VE BEEN A NUMBER OF OTHER PROVISIONS BY AND LARGE.
WHAT IT DOES IS CREATES A ACTION UNDER THE 14TH AMENDMENT.
SO THE STATE BOARD FULL BOARD POLICY THERE, I THINK THAT PRESENTED THE MAP THAT I PRESENTED FOR BLACKS AND HISPANICS, AND I DO THE MOST, MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
THE MOST PEOPLE CAN DO THAT IF YOU DO THIS MATH DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, AND THAT WAS THE ONE CONTROL THAT HAD ON GROUPS WITH A STATE, AS LARGE AS TEXAS, ALL THESE THINGS IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, I COULD NO LONGER DO THAT.
SO I'M SAYING THAT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT HAS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LARGE CITIES, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AS MUCH PRESIDENCY ANYMORE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PRESENCE FOR THE BIG CITIES WHERE, WHERE THERE ARE NUMBER OF LAWYERS? OOPS.
IT STILL IS A SERIOUS POSITIVE ACTION I CONSIDERED AND WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL JUST SAYING THAT WE GOT SECTION FIVE RELEVANCE TO THE RURAL AREAS ALMOST TOTALLY AND ALLOWED US TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I LOVED THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INFORMALLY.
COULD I ASK MR. CORBO IF HE COULD EXPLAIN? WELL, ACTUALLY I'LL LET THEM
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OKAY.YEAH, WE CAN TAKE A QUICK BREAK IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THE MEETING STANDS FOR ASSESSED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THE MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER.
THE TIME OF RECESS HAS EXPIRED.
IT SOUNDS LIKE DURING OUR BREAK, WE GOT THE MAPS SENT TO EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION.
SO YOU CAN OPEN IT UP ON YOUR OWN DEVICE, IF THAT IS EASIER.
UM, DURING THE BREAK, MR. CORBELL ALSO IS ABLE TO PULL UP HIS MAPPING SOFTWARE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CLOSER LOOK AT THESE MAPS.
UM, I'M GOING TO INVITE COMMISSIONER BLANK TO JUMP IN HERE WITH A COUPLE OF IDEAS FOR HOW TO GET THIS CONVERSATION GOING ABOUT THE MAPS.
I MEAN, I WAS SITTING HERE AND TRYING TO THINK LIKE, WHAT SHOULD THIS CONVERSATION LOOK LIKE AT THIS POINT, AS WE'VE JUST BEEN PRESENTED WITH THESE MAPS.
AND I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DIGEST A LOT OF INFORMATION.
UH, AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO KICKSTART THIS CONVERSATION AND I'M GOING TO JUST PROVIDE SOME SUGGESTIONS, DO WHAT WE WANT DISCRETION HERE.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF POSSIBILITIES.
I MEAN, ONE, I THINK ONE QUESTION WE HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED, AND THAT SEEMS LIKE A WISE ONE TO ADDRESS NOW IS TAKEN AS A WHOLE.
HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THESE MAPS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION OF THE MAP? THIS IS BASED ON OBVIOUSLY THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS THAT THE LAST ICRC CREATED THAT'S THE BASIS UPON WHICH THIS MAP WAS BUILT.
I THINK ONE GENERAL QUESTION, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE GO DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN, TO REALLY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC LINES WITHIN INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS IS WHETHER AS A GROUP, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE BROAD OUTLINES OF THIS MAP AS A STARTING POINT OR WHETHER WE THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE.
AND THAT COULD BE ON THE WHOLE, IT COULD BE WITH INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS COULD SAY, I'M JUST MAKING UP AN EXAMPLE, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS DISTRICT IS TOO LONG OR THIS IS, THIS INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES ARE TOO SPREAD OUT.
UH, BUT THEN FURTHER, I THINK THAT ADVICE, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF JUMPING IN, I THINK ONE QUESTION AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT THE FINAL POINT.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE PLENTY OF TIMES TO DISCUSS THIS, BUT AGAIN, IT IS A FIRST PASS.
IT'D BE USEFUL TO MY MIND TO KIND OF GO AROUND THE ROOM EACH DISTRICT AND ASK, ESPECIALLY THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THOSE DISTRICTS, WHETHER THIS MAKES GENERAL SENSE OR WHETHER YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU PAUSE OR CREATE SOME SORT OF RETICENCE FOR YOU, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC AT THIS POINT.
CAUSE I THINK WE'RE STILL ALL TRYING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THESE MAPS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK HAVING SPOKEN TO A NUMBER OF YOU KIND OF IN BETWEEN, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE SEEM TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT OVERWHELMED MAYBE BY THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION AND SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LIKE A REALLY AFFIRMATIVE COMMENT AT THIS POINT, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN REALLY SPECIFIC STATEMENTS ABOUT CHANGES THAT YOU SUGGEST FOR THE DISTRICT.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK NUGGET IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY, CAUSE I'M, I'M DOING DISTRICT AID AND THERE WAS ONE CHANGE AT THE SAME, SO UNDERSTOOD.
UH, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD START AT THE GENERAL LEVEL AND KIND OF JUST ACKNOWLEDGE AS A GROUP THAT THIS ISN'T, IF YOU SAY AT THIS POINT, LIKE, I THINK I'M BASICALLY OKAY WITH THIS DISTRICT, BUT I NEED TIME TO LOOK MORE INTO IT THAT AT LEAST TELLS US THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK OR NOT.
SO THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION FOR MAYBE HOW WE COULD START AS A LOW, LOW BAR, LOW PRESSURE, JUST, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS FEEL RIGHT TO YOU? DOES THIS LOOK LIKE YOUR DISTRICT THAT YOU LIVE IN? DOES IT MAKE SENSE? ARE THERE SOME AREAS THAT MAYBE YOU'RE NOT SO SURE ABOUT? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE JUST KIND OF A WAY TO START.
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE PEOPLE TO HAVE REALLY SOPHISTICATED, DEEP INPUT AT THIS VERY EARLY POINTS.
SO IT'S JUST AN IDEA ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED.
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WITH, WITH COMMISSIONER BLAKE, BUT I, I THINK AT LEAST I'M MISSING SOMETHING AND PERHAPS, UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHERE BURIED IN OUR MATERIAL.NOW WE HAVE THESE STATS HERE FOR, UH, FOR DISTRICTS ONE, THREE AND FOUR.
UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE NAACP HISPANIC CORRELATION, WHICH IS GREAT INFORMATION WHERE OUR STATS, I MEAN LIKE HOW DO WE KNOW? AND I'M SURE THAT MR CORBELL PROPER HAS THIS, BUT WHAT'S THE TOTAL ANGLO POPULATION OF EACH ONE OF THE DISTRICTS AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL HISPANIC TOTAL POPULATION FOR EACH ONE OF THE DISTRICTS.
AND, AND THEN WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE, UM, TO GET IMBALANCED AND, AND AT WHAT PERCENT ARE EACH ONE DALLAS, I WAS JUST, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH MY NUMBERS AND I JUST COME UP WITH A CONCLUSION.
I HAVE NOTHING TO COMPARE IT TO.
SO, UM, AND I KNOW THAT THAT IS OUR EXPERT IN IS OUR CONTRACTOR.
SO I THINK THAT BEFORE WE CAN HAVE A, AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION, WE NEED DATA AND YOU CAN DRAW ANYTHING FROM THOSE MAPS, THOSE MAPS DON'T TELL US A THING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL YOU CAN'T TELL WHERE THE LINES ARE.
ALL WE CAN DO IS SEE THE PICTURES AND THE PRETTY COLORS, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF WHAT IS IN WHERE THIS IS THE LAST.
SO MATT RECENTLY, AS IN A FEW MINUTES AGO, SHARED A COUPLE OF POWERPOINTS WITH US.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MR. POURABLE IS PRESENTING THIS EVENING.
AND SO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR EMAIL INBOX.
NOW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE DATA ON YOUR OWN DEVICE.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ON COMMISSIONER BLINK SIDE, BUT BEFORE THAT DISCUSSION, I WAS JUST HOPING TO ASK MR. CORBO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS PRESENTATION, IF THAT WILL BE ALL RIGHT.
MR. KORBEL, BASED ON YOUR PRESENTATION, BASED ON THE SUGGESTED MAP, I BELIEVE IS THE TERM YOU USED, WHAT WENT, WHAT FACTORS WENT INTO, UM, THAT MAP AS YOU WERE DRAWING, WHETHER IT BE THE CITY CHARTER OR PUBLIC INPUT COMMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING, HISTORICAL PRECEDENT, UH, WHAT W WHAT WAS, UM, THE JUSTIFICATION OR THE BASIS FOR THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED US TODAY, AND SO, AND SHOWED YOU THE AMOUNT OF POPULATION WE HAD TO PULL OUT OF DISTRICT SIX QUALITY THAT BEGINS THE STORE, THE OTHER DISTRICTS.
AND, UM, I STARTED PICK STARTED ON SOUTHERN AND THE DISTRICT, AND I STARTED FLYING TO THEM IN THE MORNING.
AND MR. MITCHELL CAME UP WITH HER ONES THAT COALITION IS INTERESTED IN ARE VIRTUALLY THE SAME.
SO, UM, AFTER, AFTER POPULATION, IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM EQUALLY POPULATED, EITHER MOVE AREAS OUT MOVER.
AND WHEN WE MOVED THERE,
NEVERTHELESS, IT IS PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION THEN IF IN FINDING IT AND FINDING A PLACE TO PUT THE POPULATION THAT CAN PUT PRECINCTS TOGETHER.
AND I ALSO, UH, TRIED TO, TRIED TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE TESTIMONY AND ALL OF THE EMAILS AND TO THE EXTENT THAT I COULD BUILD WITH POPULATION.
I TRIED TO DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS, BUT I AM IN HOPES THAT WHEN I MEET WITH THE COMMISSION ON THAT, YOU'VE GOT OTHER IDEAS AND SHARPEN THIS UP, THAT'S FINE.
OR IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO START ALL OVER, YOU CAN START.
I THINK THAT IF WE STARTED ALL OVER, PROBABLY WOULD END UP WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THIS, BUT
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SO, SIR, THANK YOU, MR. CORWELL.SO JUST FOR MORE CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SAID YOU WERE LOOKING AT POPULATION AND YOU, AND YOU DID PRESENT TO US IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT LET'S SAY DISTRICT SIX WAS OVERPOPULATED BY ABOUT 15%, THE ONLY PLACE TO QUOTE UNQUOTE QUOTE UNQUOTE TAKE POPULATION FROM WOULD BE IT'S NEIGHBORING DISTRICTS, DISTRICT 10 OR SEVEN, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU PRECINCTS WERE ABOVE THAT HEAVILY VERITABLY TESTIMONIAL, MY MEMORY GROUPS, THE REST OF THE PRECINCT RANDOM DISTRICT POPULATION.
THANK YOU, MR. CORWELL ASKING HAS A REPRESENTATIVE AND A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 10.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, BUT I KNOW COMMISSIONER FOCALIN WAS RECOGNIZED.
I, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT POPULATION AND SO IS THE CENSUS THE ONLY RECOGNIZED MARKER OF POPULATION, BECAUSE GIVEN THAT WE KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, UNDER COUNT THAT HAPPENED AND OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE HISTORICALLY UNDER COUNTED, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC, UM, HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO, UM, SECTION E ONE WHERE IT SAYS EQUAL POPULATION? SO THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.
AND A QUICK UP IS JUST WITH YOUR MATH AS PROPOSED, WHAT IS THE CURRENT VARIANCE FOR EACH OF THE DISTRICTS FROM BEING EQUAL? CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ABOUT 26% AND THAT'S WELL, WITHIN RANGES BOOKLET, I WOULD BE WILLING TO GO MUCH HIGHER THAN I HAVE.
UM, AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO, I GUESS, CLARIFY SOMETHING YOU SAID, SO YOU SAID CURRENTLY THE VARIANCE IN YOUR MATH IS 2.5, BUT THEN I ALSO HEARD SIX, SO I'M SORRY.
YOU ASKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING, YES, IT'S PROBABLY TRUE CENSUS BADLY DONE.
UM, BUT I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST USING ANYTHING, BUT THE SENTENCES, BECAUSE THE COURTS HAVE BEEN PRETTY, UM, STRONG ABOUT ONLY USING SOMETHING THAT IS, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO, BUT WE CAN USE THE DEVIATION.
IF YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU GOT AN IDEA WHERE THE MISTAKES WERE.
I JUST WAS, CAUSE I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR POPULATION IN THIS CLAUSE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS THE BEST PROXY, BUT WE COULD ACCOUNT FOR DIFFERENCES BY CHANGING THE VARIANCE.
SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME CLARIFY
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WISE.DO YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE ANY SENSE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE WORK COSTS IN RELATION TO SINCE DATA? IS IT OH, OKAY, SORRY.
UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE THINK THE CENSUS DATA IS WRONG, UM, ARE THERE FORECASTS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT RELIABLE THAT WE THINK ARE RELIABLE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT KIND OF IN RELATION TO CENSUS DATA TO KIND OF INFORM US AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD SUGGEST CERTAIN VARIATIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS.
FISHER LANDS, COMMISSIONER HARDEN, MR. CORBELL.
YOU MENTIONED THAT WHEN YOU WERE DRAWING THE SUGGESTED MAP THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US, THAT YOU DID TAKE IN SOME OF THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY COMMENT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED OVER, YOU KNOW, UH, CHAIR, PUENTES MENTIONED THAT THE 12 FORUMS, UH, THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THE NUMBER OF EMAILS TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITIES, WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU TOOK INTO ACCOUNT WITH THIS MAP OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY? IF YOU CAN PROVIDE A NUMBER? I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE, NO PROBLEM.
I'M A SCARBOROUGH ON, UM, ON, ON THE LAST PAGE WHERE, UM, ON THAT PAGE, UM, THERE IS A LINE THAT SAYS TOTAL POPULATION AND THERE'S ANOTHER LINE THAT SAYS TOTAL, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT TOTAL IS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S ABOUT A 20,000, UM, NUMERIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM.
SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FAR LEFT? UH, THE 94 0 1 AND THE 73 8 7 8.
WELL, THAT'S THE VOTING AGE POPULATION PERSONS OVER EAT.
THAT'S A 70, THAT'S OVER THE MIDDLE SECTION OF THE, OF THE YEAR WE'RE USING POPULATION TO SET UP THE POPULATION.
I'M USING A VOTING AGE POPULATION TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT VARIOUS GROUPS WOULD HAVE AND JUST BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND SO THE, UM, MAY I CONTINUE? SO, UM, THE, THE NUMBERS THAT ARE SHOWN UNDER THE POPULATION OBVIOUSLY INCLUDES THOSE WOULD BE LOW VOTING AGE IF I UNDERSTOOD IT.
AND, AND SO, UM, IT, IT JUST STRIKES ME THAT, UM, THERE'S A LEAN OR A BET HERE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A, UH, DEMOCRATIC, UH, COLUMN AND A REPUBLICAN COLUMN AND AN OTHER COLUMN, I THINK I PROBABLY FIT IN THE OTHER COLUMN.
BUT, UM, SO, SO WHAT'S THAT BASED ON THE PARTISAN INDEX IS BASED ON STATEWIDE ELECTIONS.
ONLY REASON THAT I HAVE THAT I HAVE THAT IN THERE DOES, IT DOES TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT POLARIZATION.
WE SEE, WE SEE LESS POLARIZATION AMONG DEMOCRATS.
AND SO THAT TOGETHER WITH LOOKING AT THE VOTING AGE POPULATION, RATHER THAN THE POPULATION GIVES ME A LITTLE BETTER IDEA OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN WITH HAVING DISTRICT HISPANIC, AS YOU CAN SEE AUSTIN.
AND FINALLY, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THE DEMOGRAPHICS, UM, UH, I HEARD, UH, WE ALL HEARD EARLIER ABOUT BLOCK LEVEL, UH, VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT YOU DIDN'T USE BLOCK LEVEL, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU
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DID.SO WHAT IS VAP VOTING AGE POPULATION? SO THESE DEMOGRAPHICS IN STRICTLY FOCUS ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE.
OUR EXPERIENCES THAT HISPANICS ARE SOMEWHAT THEY'RE POWERED SOMEWHAT LESS THAN BLACKS AND WHITES ARE SOMEWHAT MORE JUST AVAILABLE AS CITIZENS.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HISPANICS AND BLACKS AND WHITES ARE LESS BLACK, THE BLACK, THE BLACK PAGE AND BLACK BLACK GROUPS.
UM, MR. CALDWELL, UM, MY QUESTION IS WITH REGARDS TO VARIANTS OF VARIATION IN THE, UH, SIZE, UH, POPULATION OF A DISTRICT, UH, WOULD IT BE A DEFENSIBLE, UH, METHOD TO HAVE A DISTRICT THAT HAS A SMALLER OVERALL POPULATION IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE MINORITY PERCENTAGE IN THAT DISTRICT? WELL, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY YES, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE DEVIATION AND I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
I THINK THOSE ARE WHEN I SAY THAT AS SOMEONE, I THINK WE HAD A PLAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ADVICE.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY RICHARD.
UM, I JUST HAD A TECHNICAL QUESTION BEFORE I MEET WITH YOU ON SUNDAY.
UM, IS IT POSSIBLE? I SEE THAT THIS IS A FREE SOFTWARE.
IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO SORT OF SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INTERRUPTED COPY OF THIS, UM, AND MAYBE ONE WHERE WE CAN SEE THE COMMENTS OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH OR WHAT, WHAT IS LIKE THE EASIEST WAY FOR US TO MAKE HER COMMENTS? DO YOU HAVE A SEPARATE COPY OF MATH? DAN? JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
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UM, IT'S GOING THROUGH THE MOP IS GOING THROUGH REAL QUICK.JUST LIKE WHAT WE'VE SEEN UPDATED MAP.
JUST TO GET TO THE SPECIFIC, THANK YOU, MATT, FOR SENDING THIS OUT.
I SEE THAT WE SPLIT SOME OF DISTRICT, I GUESS, I GUESS WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS HAVING DISTRICT 10 ON ONE SIDE OF THE LAKE AND THEN DISTRICT SIX ON THE OTHER, MAYBE THE COMMISSIONERS FROM THAT DISTRICT CAN COMMENT.
I'M LOOKING AT PAGE THREE, IF THAT'S HELPFUL, ARE YOU OPENING THE FLOOR FOR SURE.
JUST IN RESPONSE TO MR. POLK WHEN I SAW THAT AS WELL, UM, AND WILL LIKELY NOTED IN A ONE-ON-ONE WITH MR. MR. CORNWALLIS, MR. UH, AS SOMEONE WHO RESIDES IN DISTRICT 10, UH, JUST IN TERMS OF OPTICS AND THE WAY WE LOOK UP A MAP, IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE FUNKY.
THAT'S A GOOD AREA OF DISCUSSION.
I JUST, UH, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE, UM, CURRENT NOW OPERATES.
YEAH, THIS ISN'T THE PROPOSED.
NO, ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, GIVE YOU THE POPULATION ONE SECOND, MR. CORBO UM, MATT, CAN YOU MOVE THE, UM, VIDEOS ACROSS THE SCREEN SO WE CAN VIEW WHAT'S ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE? NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
DO YOU RECALL IN THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, I HAD NUMBERS FOR EACH ONE, BUT THIS IS RIGHT-HAND SIDE.
DOES GIVE YOU THE POPULATION IN THE MINORITY BREAKDOWN, DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN PRECINCT, FOR EXAMPLE.
WELL, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
IS IT BLOCK OR PRECINCT? BOTH.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF OUR HOVERING OVER IT AND WE WOULD SEE THE BLOCK AND THEN WE CAN COMPARE THAT TO THE PRECINCT.
WE DO WE HAVE THAT TYPE OF A ANIMATION?
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WELL, I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU ON THE PHONE.WELL, YOU'VE BEEN DONE WITH THIS PROGRAM GLOBAL.
IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SEND US THE LINK TO THE INTERACTIVE MAP SO THAT WE CAN CLICK DRA? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY WHAT I THINK COMMISSIONER LANDS CAME TO IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY HOVER OVER IT IN THE SOFTWARE THAT MR. CORWELL HAS NOT ON WHAT HE SENT US, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THERE'S THE CALL-OUTS THAT YOU PUT.
SO ALSO APPRECIATE THE LEARNING CURVE WE HAVE GOING ON HERE.
DEFINITELY NOT SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU.
I ACTUALLY DID A REAL QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT, NOT TO DERAIL THIS CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, I NOTICED THAT THE MAPS PRESENTED BY THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION IF CAME FROM THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.
AND, UM, AND I, IF I AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT YOU WILL ALSO BE PRODUCING WRAPS USING THAT SAME SOFTWARE.
SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR DISTRICT 10 AND SIX? MAKES SENSE.
SO I'M SEEING BOTH ON YOUR MAP AND ON THE MAP FROM THE NAACP AND I MAYBE I'M READING THIS WRONG, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ALL HAVE MOVED THE LBJ LIBRARY OUT OF DISTRICT ONE.
SO WAS, IF I INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY, IS THAT FROM TESTIMONY? OH, OKAY.
I JUST HAD, UH, IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER PAUL COHEN, IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT, I BELIEVE THAT THE NAACP MAP DOES, I LIKE THE LBJ LIBRARY, IF THAT, IF I'M SEEING THAT IT IS CAMPUSES ACROSS RED RIVER STREET, IT'S KIND OF SMALL, BUT IF YOU BLOW IT UP A BIT IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, IT DOES EXTEND OVER 35 A BIT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE LBJ LIBRARY.
SO EVEN THOUGH MR CORBELL DID NOT INCLUDE IT, I BELIEVE THE NAACP MAP DOES INCLUDE IT.
AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW, I DID GET A HEAD SHAKE FROM MR. PECK IN THE BACK.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN IF I MAY, JUST TO RESPONSE TO THE CHAIR'S POINT ABOUT LOOKING AT DISTRICT 10 RIGHT NOW, UM, I THINK BASED ON WHAT MR. CORDELL SAID, IN TERMS OF POPULATION SHIFTS, I DO AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT I SEE, UM, FOR POTENTIAL CHANGE FOR DISTRICT 10, UM, BASED ON POPULATION.
UM, AGAIN, WHEN WE HAVE OUR, ONE-ON-ONES, THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS MAYBE THE LINES OF THE DISTRICT COURT, MR. KORBEL.
AND THEN WE PROPOSE CHANGES THAT WE WILL THEN BRING INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, NEXT WEDNESDAY.
BUT BASED ON THE FACT THAT SIX
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WAS THE LARGEST, UM, THE ONLY PLACE TO S TO, TO MOVE POPULATION, TO, TO GET SIX TO A DESIRED, UH, DEVIATION WAS EITHER GOING INTO 10 OR SEVEN.SO 10 EXPANDING JUST MAKES SENSE BASED ON THIS CRITERIA AND THE SHIFTS THERE.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAD ABOUT 10, IF WE WANT IT TO GO TO COMMISSIONERS BLANK IDEA OF GOING DISTRICT BY DISTRICT THIS EVENING AND SEEING IF WE AGREED WITH THE DIRECTION WE WERE, WE WERE HEADING, UM, COULD SPEAK ON DISTRICT TENANT.
I UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES, NO COMMISSIONER LANDS.
UM, I'M I'M I WAS JUST TRYING TO COMPARE, UH, THE, UM, THE, THE NAACP HISPANIC COALITIONS OF DATA WITH OUR DATA.
AND I WAS, UH, ABOUT TO, UM, UH, STATE THAT I, I DO SEE A, UM, AN AMAZING SIMILARITY, BUT I NOTICED THAT, UM, WHEN WE, IF I LOOK AT THE DATA ON THE BACK OF THE, UH, OF OUR CHARTS, THAT FOR, UM, UH, FOR, FOR DISTRICT FOUR AND I, I SUSPECT THAT I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, UM, THE VARIATION IS, APPEARS TO BE MINUS 1.35.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I THINK, UH, I HOPE I'M READING IT RIGHT.
UH, BUT THAT THAT'S REALLY THAT MY, MY QUESTION, THE QUESTION IS THAT, UM, IT SEEMS TO BE, IF WE GOT IT DOWN TO THE, UM, UM, TO WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE, UH, DISTRICT FOR DATA, FOR THE COALITION, IT'S A MINUS 0.25, WHICH MEANS THAT IT'S EVEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN, A TWEAKING AREA.
NOW I KNOW THAT WE WE'VE ALREADY MOVED TO, UM, HAVE YOU WORKED WITH, UM, WITH THEM TO TRY AND COME UP WITH A CONSOLIDATED PICTURE? THE QUESTION IS WHEN WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO REVIEW? OKAY.
AND WHEN WOULD THAT BE? OH, AT TONIGHT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW, MADAM CHAIR.
I THINK THAT THAT WILL INFORM US, UH, AND, AND THIS BECOMES A BUSINESS THAT'S FINISHED AND, AND FOR THE REST OF THE CONVERSATION, THEN WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE OTHER SIX PLUS ONE, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO, TO, UM, HOLD HOLDING A BEDS, ANY CONVERSATIONS ON ONE, THREE AND FOUR, AND, UH, AND, UH, AN ALTERNATE TO ONCE THEY HAVE COME TO SOME AGREEMENT AND PRESENT THAT TO US AS PART OF THE OVERALL PRESENTATION, IT THEN BETTER INFORMS OUR DECISIONS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE OTHER SIX, I BELIEVE.
AND I HEAR YOU ON THAT COMMISSIONER LANDS, IF ANYONE WHO LIVES IN DISTRICTS, ONE THROUGH FOUR WHO ARE PRESENT IN OUR MEETING, HAVE QUESTIONS THOUGH.
I THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE TASK RIGHT NOW.
UM, I, TO YOUR POINT, UM, WHEN WILL WE SEE THE, UM, OUTCOME OF THE MEETING BETWEEN MR. KORBEL AND MR. YOUNG'S PEOPLE? UM, I THINK THAT NEXT WEDNESDAY IS AS SOON AS THAT WE CAN MEET AT THIS POINT, UM, AND WE WILL VIEW THE PROPOSED CHANGES FROM THEM AS WELL AS THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, FROM THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS.
AND WE WILL DO ALL OF THOSE NEXT WEDNESDAY.
UM, AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED, UM, THE, THE DATA COMMISSIONER LANDS.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE DATA, WHAT WE HAVE FROM THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION, UM, LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE DATA THAT WE HAVE FROM YOU.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES IN A SENSE.
I WONDER IF WE CAN GET COMPARABLE DATA, UM, BEFORE US.
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SO NO, SOME, SOME WAYS.SO JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN YOU'RE DRAWING THESE DISTRICTS, YOU'RE USING THE 2020 CENSUS DATA TO CREATE THE DISTRICTS, BUT THEN YOU'RE EXAMINING ONCE YOU'VE CREATED THAT DISTRICT, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION, THE VOTING AGE POPULATION, UM, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
UM, BUT THAT DATA IS THREE YEARS OLD.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY, BECAUSE MAY I CONTINUE WITH YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? SO, UM, THE, THE TOTAL POPULATIONS OF THE DISTRICTS, UM, WHICH ARE SHOWN ON THE, ON THE COALITION'S DOCUMENT THAT THAT'S REPRESENTED BY WHAT, ON OUR, ON OUR DOCUMENT, IS IT THE SAME LEFT COLUMN THAT SAYS TOTAL POPULATION? YES.
SO THEN WE'RE NOT TALKING APPLES AND ORANGES, WE'RE TALKING APPLES AND APPLES, SO, OKAY.
I JUST WANT TO, BECAUSE WE DID, WE WERE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION EARLIER, SO WE'RE NOT BASING ANYTHING ON THE VAP OTHER THAN GIVING INFORMATION, BUT ALL OF OUR LINES OF BEING DRONE BASED ON TOTAL POPULATION.
SO I KNOW WE WERE LOOKING AT DISTRICT 10.
DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH COMMISSIONER BLANK, SUGGESTION OF TAKING THIS DISTRICT BY DISTRICT THIS EVENING WITH OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ASK QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BLANK.
I SEE SOME, I SEE SOME RETICENCE HERE.
AND AGAIN, THE POINT IS NOT, THE ANSWER COULD BE, WE GOT DOWN THE DISTRICT SAY, I THINK AT THIS POINT, THIS LOOKS OKAY BEYOND, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE REQUIRES FOR THE REVIEW.
AND THAT COULD BE FINE, BUT IT ALLOWS US AT LEAST TO GET SOMEWHERE HERE, WHICH IS, I THINK, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM AND KIND OF CENTRALLY, YOU KNOW, NO, I MEAN, LET'S JUST, I MEAN, AND SO IT COULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD SAY, I HAVE NO COMMENT ON THIS DISTRICT REVIEW IS A PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE ANSWER.
I THINK FOR ANY, UH, COMMISSIONER FROM THE DISTRICT COULD SAY, THIS LOOKS BASICALLY FINE, PENDING FURTHER REVIEW AND DISCUSSION.
OR IF YOU HAVE SOME ISSUES OR SOME QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO BRING UP RIGHT NOW, BRING THEM UP, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN KIND OF CHECK OFF THE LIST AND FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOTTEN SOMEWHERE HERE AND, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEP.
JUST TO BE SUPER GOAL ORIENTED HERE, I GUESS.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE GET FROM THAT DETAILED CONVERSATION.
UM, I PROPOSE THAT WE DO A GENERAL CONSENSUS AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO DEEP DIVE INTO A DISTRICT, WE DO THAT.
BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION.
SO I'M NOT FEELING LIKE WE'LL GET MORE JUICE OUT OF HAVING A DISCUSSION HERE.
NOW, I SURE CAN TELL US, I AGREE WITH BOTH KIND OF BOTH METHODS, AT LEAST FROM THIS EVENING, IT'S ARE WE AT LEAST COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIRECTION THAT MR. KORBEL PRESENTED AND THEN ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIRECTION OF LAYERING, THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITIONS INFORMATION ON TOP OF THAT AND USING THIS, OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING INTO ONE IN ONE-ON-ONES OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS IN THIS HORRIBLE, ARE WE EVEN COMFORTABLE TO BE DISCUSSING JUST, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE MR. KORBEL IS NOT AVAILABLE.
SO TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BASE OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ON THIS MAP OR WAIT UNTIL
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THE OTHER MAP.SO, I MEAN, AT LEAST THAT IS THE CONSENSUS I WANT.
LIKE, ARE WE ALL AT LEAST AGREEING ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE MOVING HERE? LIKE IN ONE-ON-ONES AND WHEN YOU SAY THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE MOVING, DO YOU MEAN, YOU MENTIONED IN REFERENCE TO THE MAP THAT MR. KORBEL IS GONE? EXACTLY.
WELL, THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT RIGHT NOW, JUST CAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE AS WE HAVE A DEADLINE, WE PUT STUFF OUT THE WAY THAT I ENVISIONED GOING INTO THE ONE-ON-ONES WITH MR. CORBELS TO DISCUSS THE MAP THAT HE WAS PRESENTING THIS EVENING.
NOW WE'VE MADE A MOTION AND WE WANT THEM TO WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M LAYERING THE DATA AND THEN GIVE HIM INPUT.
I GUESS, THE WAY I SEE IT FORWARD IS THAT WE NEED TO GO INTO THESE ONE-ON-ONES BEFORE THAT WORK BIND.
ARE WE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT? LIKE, ARE WE, ARE WE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH CONSENSUS OF GIVING FEEDBACK TO MR. COLDWELL JUST ON HIS MAP ALONE AND MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING, BUT NO, YOU'RE FINE.
I THINK, I THINK THAT, THAT, YEAH, THAT IS THE PLAN.
THAT WAS THE PLAN GOING INTO THIS MEETING AND WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE ONE-ON-ONES USING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT MR. PORTAL'S MAP WITH HIM.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN SPEAK TO THE CHANGES THAT WILL HAPPEN, UM, UNTIL NEXT WEEK, BUT WE CAN STILL MEET WITH MR. CORBELL ABOUT HIS MAPS, UM, SPECIFICALLY, AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME INPUT OR INSIGHT THAT WE GAIN FROM VIEWING THE COALITION'S MAP THAT WILL ENHANCE THE CONVERSATION AND THE ONE-ON-ONES WITH MR. CORBELL.
I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THE ORDER.
UM, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP A MINUTE AGO.
DID YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY MADAM CHAIR, LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WILL LOOK AT THE CRANE MAPS, UM, AND THEN WE CAN ALSO LOOK, YOU KNOW, SORT OF JUXTAPOSE WHAT THE NAACP DID WITH MR. CARVILLE'S WORK AND, UH, SORT OF SAY, OKAY, WE, UH, WE'LL SORT OF LIKE VERIFY WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THE CHANGES, LIKE LET'S SAY FOR ME DISTRICT NINE, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE AND NINE REGARDING THE LBJ LIBRARY.
SO WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL, I AGREE WITH THIS CHANGE THAT THE NAACP PROPOSED, OR MAYBE LOOK AT LIKE WHAT ANOTHER, UM, MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SAID.
SO WAS THAT A GOOD WAY TO GO FORWARD? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SORT OF CERTAINLY, YES.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU CAN ENGAGE WITH MR. KORBEL ON THE MAPS.
SO I SAW CONCERN, LANDS AND BLANK.
I THINK COMMISSIONER I WAS BEFORE ME, BUT I'M SURE MORE THAN WILLING.
I THINK, I THINK I SAW MANY HANDS KIND OF AT ONCE IN THE CORNER OF MY EYE FISHER CANNON.
I THINK PROPER LENS MOTION WAS EXACTLY THAT THAT WAS ALREADY PASSED.
I WAS GOING TO SORT OF REMIND THAT STUFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO DO THIS, BUT AS IT RELATES TO ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SIX DISTRICTS THAT ARE NOT BEING THAT, THAT, UH, IS NOT PART OF THE COALITION.
SO YOU GOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT NOW.
ONE W THE, BEFORE THAT, OR UP FOR DISCUSSION, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PICTURE AND WE'VE ALREADY HEARD MR. CARVILLE SAY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, VERY SIMILAR.
SO I, I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE GET BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, THAT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE WHEN WE GET BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE A CONSENSUS MAP TO TALK ABOUT, TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AGREED WITH.
SO I, MY NEXT MOTION WAS GOING TO BE A GENTLEMAN, BUT I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO WAIT.
WELL, YOU STILL HAVE SOME MORE AGENDA ITEMS, COMMISSIONER LANDS, BUT THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLANK.
UM, I THINK ONE THING IS WE'RE MAKING THIS SORT OF DISTINCTION HERE BETWEEN THE NAACP MAPS.
THEN THAT'S WORKING, ULTIMATELY WE'RE WORKING ON ONE SET OF APPS.
WE'VE INVITED THE NAACP INTO THIS PROCESS VERY DIRECTLY THROUGH MOTIONS AND OTHERWISE.
SO MY HOPE IS, IS THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSION, IF YOU WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT DISTRICTS ONE THROUGH FOUR OR AN ADJACENT DISTRICT, THE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE OKAY.
HERE WAS THE MAP THAT I PRODUCED FOR WEDNESDAY.
HERE ARE THE CHANGES THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOMETHING WE ALL AGREE BASED ON THE NAACP HISPANIC COALITION SUGGESTIONS.
THAT BECOMES PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT TAKES PLACE IN THAT ONE-ON-ONE.
SO IT'S NOT AS THOUGH IT'S ALL ONE PROCESS.
I THINK, I DON'T THINK MAYBE HELPS MR. CARMEL.
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OKAY.ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU WOULD MEET WITH MR. YOUNG TOMORROW? OKAY.
SO I HEAR THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MEET TOMORROW.
WELL, KEEP THE APPOINTMENTS AS THEY ARE.
UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT SUGGESTION, MR. KORBEL, WERE THERE OTHER HANDS ON THIS? I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF VALUE ADDED, UH, VALUE ADDING ACTIVITY.
AND IS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THESE MAPS THAT WE CAN DISCUSSING FURTHER TONIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME VALUE FROM, AND IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE CLOSE OUT DISCUSSION ON THE MAPS AT THIS TIME.
I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HARDEN.
ACTUALLY, I'LL ASK REALLY QUICKLY.
DOES ANYONE NEED JUST A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? WE CAN JUST KEEP GOING.
THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO A, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE NEW BUSINESS HERE.
DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC FORUM, STRUCTURE AND PROTOCOLS.
VICE-CHAIR CONSOLE IS THEY'LL PROVIDE THE UPDATES.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT I HAVE ONE SUGGESTION THOUGH, THAT I WANTED TO PROPOSE TO THE GROUP.
UM, SO WE HAVE GOTTEN THE, OKAY.
MATT DUBIN HAS SHARED WITH ME THAT THE PROTOCOL OF REQUIRING PEOPLE TO SIGN UP TO TESTIFY IN OUR GENERAL MEETINGS THE DAY AHEAD BY NOON.
UM, WE HAVE GOTTEN THE OKAY TO REMOVE THAT, UM, DAY AHEAD, NOON DEADLINE FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION IN OUR GENERAL MEETINGS.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY HOW WE ARE TAKING CITIZEN INPUT, UH, STARTING NEXT WEEK AS WE ADDRESS THESE SUBJECT MATTER, UH, ITEMS RELATED TO THE MAPS.
SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA JUST FOR GENERAL PURPOSES, BUT THEN CITIZENS CAN ALSO SIGN UP TO TESTIFY UP UNTIL, UM, 10 MINUTES AFTER THE MEETING HAS STARTED.
AND IT WILL BE MUCH IN THE SAME WAY AS THEY HAVE SIGNED UP AT THE PUBLIC FORUMS. THEY WILL NEED TO IDENTIFY ON WHICH WE CAN HEAR YOU UNLESS THEY GET OUT OF THE MUD.
MR. KORBEL AND MR. YOUNG, YOUR MIC IS HOT, PERHAPS Y'ALL WOULD BE COMFORTABLE MOVING A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THE ROOM SO THAT WE'RE NOT INTERRUPTING THE CONVERSATION HERE ON THE FLOOR.
UM, LET ME, LET ME START OVER.
SO, UM, I WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE'RE TAKING CITIZEN COMMUNICATION IN OUR GENERAL MEETINGS.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING SUBJECT MATTER ITEMS RELATED TO THE MAP NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND I WANT CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THOSE SUBJECTS AS WE WORK THROUGH THEM.
UH, OF COURSE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION WILL ALSO CONTINUE TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA, UH, FOR GENERAL PURPOSES.
SO CITIZENS CAN TESTIFY OR SORRY, SIGN UP TO TESTIFY UP UNTIL 10 MINUTES AFTER THE MEETING HAS STARTED.
UH, SO IT WILL BE VERY MUCH IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY HAVE SIGNED UP AT OUR PUBLIC FORUMS WHEN THEY WALK IN THERE'S THE SIGN UP SHEET.
IN FACT, IT WAS KIND OF IN PRACTICE TODAY.
UM, AND THEN THEY WILL IDENTIFY ON WHICH AGENDA ITEM THAT THEY'RE TESTIFYING, OR THEY CAN SIMPLY WRITE IN GENERAL, IF THEY WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT IN THE FIRST ROUND OF CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN HEAR FROM CITIZENS AT THE START OF EACH AGENDA ITEM AS IT RELATES TO THE MAPS.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD? I WOULD LOVE JUST THE CONSENSUS ON THAT.
IF THAT'S POSSIBLE COMMISSIONER BLANK, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, COULD WE EXTEND THE TIME A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO 30 MINUTES AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MEET AT THE TIME IS KIND OF ARBITRARY.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT'S NEGOTIABLE.
SO COMMISSIONER BLANK, YOU SAID 30 MINUTES.
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ALSO ARBITRARY? OH, TOTALLY, BUT NOT, NOT CAPRICIOUS.UH, WHY DON'T WE CALL IT A COMPROMISE AND MAKE IT 20? OKAY.
SO FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, LET'S HAVE CITIZENS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN COME IN UP TO 20 MINUTES AFTER THE MEETING HAS STARTED TO SIGN UP TO TESTIFY ON A PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.
THEY JUST NEED TO SPECIFY WHAT THAT IS SO THAT WE KNOW.
NOW I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER HARDEN ALSO HAS PRESENTED, UM, A FEW SUGGESTIONS TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP ABOUT MEETING PROTOCOLS, WHICH YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
MR. HARDEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPAND ON THESE POINTS? SURE.
AND SO THESE ARE REALLY JUST IDEAS TO HELP FACILITATE ENGAGEMENT AND INTERACTION FOR THE PUBLIC.
UM, FIRST ITEMS FOR WHEN WE HAVE GUESTS PRESENTERS, AS WE DID THIS AFTERNOON, OR THIS EVENING, WHAT WE WITNESSED THE GUEST PRESENTER ACTUALLY INTRODUCED EACH PERSON THAT WAS HERE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR PRESENTATION, VERY METHODOLOGY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST TWO BULLETS ARE ADDRESSING IS HOW DO WE DO THAT? SO WE DON'T HAVE A SURPRISE EXTRA PRESENTER AS WE DID IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY, AS WE GET MORE INVOLVED IN MAP DISCUSSIONS, THREE MINUTES CAN GO PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO WANTED US TO BE MORE, SEE IF WE CAN FACILITATE MORE SPEAKING TIME IF IT BECOMES NECESSARY FOR PRESENTERS OR SPEAKERS.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SIGNED UP LEMONADE MIM TO THREE MINUTES, THIS IS NOT THE BEST USE OF TIME AND PROPOSING THAT WE LOOK AT ALLOCATING AN AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO THE PUBLIC INPUT COMPONENT OF OUR MEETINGS.
SO THE, BY THAT, BY THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS THAT ASSIGNED IN AND ALLOCATE THE TIME, THAT WAY, UH, HAVE THREE MINUTES AS A MINIMUM, UH, AND THE OTHER COMPONENT, SECOND BULLET SECOND SECTION, AND THAT IS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO YIELD TIME THAT THEY'VE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, ALLOW THEM TO REAL TIME TO THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WITH SIGNED UP SO THAT A MORE EFFECTIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION CAN BE MADE BY PEOPLE WITH A COMMON INTEREST, UH, BUT NOT TO EXCEED 12 MINUTES.
AND THEN ONCE THE LAST PERSON IS SPOKEN, ASK QUESTIONS AND TO HAVE A FORMAL MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, PERIOD.
I, UH, I RECOMMEND THAT, SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT SEGMENT OF OUR BUSINESS HAS CLOSED OUT, UH, SO THAT IF SOMEONE SIGNS IN LATER TO SPEAK OR WANT TO COME BACK WITH A REBUTTAL OR SHARE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT IS CLEAR THAT THE PUBLIC INPUT SEGMENT OF THE MEETING, AS OPPOSED, UM, WE HAVE A TIMEKEEPING COMPONENT, UH, AND TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT, UH, WHEN A SPEAKER NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN FINISHED, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES AND ALLOW THEM TO FINISH IT.
UH, AND THEN WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT QUESTIONS DURING THE PUBLIC FORUM AND HOW TO RESPOND TO THOSE.
AND SO I TRIED TO CAPTURE THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF BULLETS IN GENERAL, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK ON WHO SHOULD, WHEN WE SHOULD, WHEN STAFF SHIFTING, WELL, THIS IS JUST SOME IDEAS I'M SHARING WITH THIS BODY FOR CONSIDERATION TO HELP US AS WE NAVIGATE, UH, VOLUME, POTENTIAL VOLUME OF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC COMING FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER HARTMAN, VICE CHAIR, GONZALEZ, AND THEN COMMISSIONER BELCONNEN.
I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER HARDIN FOR THIS DOCUMENT.
SO THIS IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO ACTUALLY SEE IT IN
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WRITING AND TO FOLLOW THE THOUGHTS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING IN THE LAST WEDNESDAY MEETING.I WANT TO FOCUS MAYBE ON PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ONE TO TWO, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE AND TWO.
UM, I WANT US TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT FOLKS YIELDING TIME, AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH 12 MINUTES.
I'M IN FAVOR THOUGH, OF MAYBE THE IDEA THAT EACH PERSON KNOWS WHAT TIME, LIKE AT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY HAVE.
SO INSTEAD OF MAYBE THREE MINUTES THAT WE'VE DONE IN PREVIOUS FORUM, MAYBE THERE'S THE, MAYBE WE COULD AGREE ON MAYBE DOUBLING THAT AND IT COULD BE SIX MINUTES.
UM, AND IF THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS GETS TOO LONG PER FORUM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OPTION THERE TO MAYBE REDUCE THAT A LITTLE BIT, JUST THAT WE'RE NOT IN FORUMS FOR FOUR OR FIVE, SIX HOURS, UM, FROM, FOR THE PRECEDENT, IT DOESN'T SEEM, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING MORE FOLKS TURN OUT, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE HAVE MAPS.
SO I JUST W I DON'T WANT US TO USE MAYBE THE TURNOUT IN THE PREVIOUS FORUMS, UM, AS A WAY TO GAUGE TIME ALLOTMENT.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
UM, AND THEN FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, I THINK WE, I FEEL THAT WAS ALREADY THERE IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, CHRISTINE GRANADA IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGER IS MANAGING THE KIND OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY PART.
AND SHE DOES INFORM THE CHAIR OF WHEN THERE'S NO MORE SPEAKERS COMING UP.
SO I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A SIGN THAT IT'S BEEN CLOSED OUT, BUT I THINK THIS IS SAYING THAT FORMALLY FROM THE CHAIR TO CLOSE IT OUT.
SO THAT CLARIFICATION, UH, APPRECIATE THAT.
I, I GUESS, UM, ONE, I HAVE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION AND THEN A COMMENT ON THIS IS, SO FOR AGENDA ITEM TWO A, ARE WE DISCUSSING WHAT THE STRUCTURE WILL BE OVERALL FOR OUR SEPTEMBER FORUMS, BECAUSE THOSE WILL BE DIFFERENT FROM THE PAST ONES, CORRECT.
IS THAT PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM? YES.
SO I GUESS ONE THING IS JUST, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION FIRST.
UM, BUT ON THESE, UM, AGAIN, VERY RESPECTFULLY, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, IDEAS FOR NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO, I WOULD JUST SAY WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE, UM, THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE AT EACH FORUM, AND IT CAN'T BE INEQUITABLE FROM FORUMS, A FORUM.
SO IF WE SPLIT AND THAT MEANS AT FORUM, TWO PEOPLE GET EIGHT MINUTES AND AT FOUR AND FOUR PEOPLE GET THREE, THEN THAT'S AN UNEQUAL, YOU KNOW, REPRESENT TIME FOR THEM TO REPRESENT THEIR THOUGHTS.
UM, I PERSONALLY REALLY LIKE THREE MINUTES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE, THEY CAN COMPILE THEIR THOUGHTS AND SHARE FORWARD.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE QUESTION OF THE PROBLEM WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE WAS THAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER LIKE REALLY STRAIGHT FORWARD QUESTIONS.
LIKE, IS THAT A BLUE LINE OR AN ORANGE LINE, OR ARE WE ON PAGE 12? ARE WE ON PAGE 13? AND OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE DIDN'T ALLOW FOR THAT.
SO I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SUGGESTIONS AND THE LENS OF THAT.
AND I WOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT ONE OF OUR ITEMS ON THE NEW PROTOCOL IS THAT WE HAVE A Q AND A PORTION, UM, FOR QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED THAT ARE DEEMED APPROPRIATE AND DO NOT IMPACT, UH, THE MAPS.
UM, OTHERWISE I DON'T, I'M NOT REALLY SEEING, WHICH I THINK IS YOUR NUMBER SIX, BUT I WOULD JUST TAKE IT A LITTLE FURTHER INTO PUT THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM ON OUR FUTURE PUBLIC FORUMS. SO THAT'S MY MOTION.
OTHERWISE, I WOULD JUST ARGUE THAT THESE ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
NUMBER FOUR IS IN PLACE, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? CAN YOU CLARIFY MOTION, SHARE THE MOTION IS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR FUTURE PUBLIC FORUMS, A SECTION FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS WHERE WE CAN ANSWER LOGISTICAL QUESTIONS.
SO IS THE IDEA THEN I'M SORRY.
SO IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE BUILD IN A SECTION OF THE PUBLIC FORUMS FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS OF TECHNICAL NATURE, TACTICAL RELIGIOUS DECAL, NATURE, COMMISSIONER LANDS, CLARIFICATION.
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HERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE TESTIMONY.AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD DO IT BACK AND FORTH.
SO THEY'D GO, THEY FINISHED THEIR TESTIMONY.
THEY MIGHT ASK A QUESTION THAT WE WOULD ANSWER IT.
NOW, IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE SECTION OF THE AGENDA WHERE WE ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT HAD BEEN ASKED PREVIOUSLY, I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE SECTION OF THE AGENDA AND THAT IT SHOULD BE COME BEFORE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, BECAUSE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION MAY INFLUENCE THEIR TESTIMONY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE WRONG MAP, UM, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE ON PAGE 13, INSTEAD OF PAGE 12, THEY MAY GIVE INVALID TESTIMONY.
THE, IS THAT THE QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD WOULD BE AN ACTUAL, LIKE VACANT APP, IS THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK US QUESTIONS AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF DECIPHER IN FROM THE COMMENTS, WHETHER THIS IS A QUESTION WE SHOULD ADDRESS REAL TIME.
NOW, I WILL SAY THAT I BROUGHT THIS TO MR. RICHARDS, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL'S ATTENTION, BECAUSE IT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW, AND HE ADVISES AGAINST HAVING A QUESTION AND ANSWER PORTION OF THE PUBLIC FORUMS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UM, A DEEPER EXPLANATION, I CAN REQUEST THAT OF HIM IN WRITING SO THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT HIS RATIONALE IS, BUT HE DID EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING A Q AND A PORTION OF THE PUBLIC FORUMS, JUST, JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS TO SPEAK AS A SECOND FISHER AND LAST, AND THEN USHER.
A COUPLE OF THINGS I SEE Q AND A AS BEING A NORMATIVE PART OF ANY PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION, I REALIZED THAT WE USE A COUPLE OF DESCRIPTIVES LIKE TECHNICAL, AND I'LL JUST WHICH I, YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND IT, BUT W WHEN WE ARE, AS A, AS A, AS A COMMISSION, WE'RE ALWAYS ATTENTIVE.
I BELIEVE TO WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY AND, AND THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE, BUT EQUALLY.
SO IN ORDER TO COLLECT INFORMATION, MUST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND, OR, UH, DISCUSS AMONG OURSELVES.
NOW, MAY I REMIND YOU THAT IN THE ROBERT ROOSEVELT, OR WE CAN ACTUALLY, UM, MAKE A MOTION AT ANY TIME WE CHOOSE TO EITHER EXTEND TIME OR LIMIT TIME.
SO HAVING IT WRITTEN DOWN IS GREAT, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A REHASH IN WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW IN THE, IN THE RULES.
UM, HOWEVER, SHOE IN A IS IT'S EMOTION, BUT WE DON'T REALLY NEED A MOTION FOR THAT BECAUSE IT BECOMES PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THE LEGAL OBJECTION IN THAT IT COULD APPEAR TO BE SOMEWHAT, UH, UH, BIAS, OR IT COULD APPROVE TO BE PRESIDENTIAL.
BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING AND WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS, TRYING TO GET TO A PARTICULAR END, THEN, UM, WHETHER THE MOTION GOES OR NOT, WE, WE'RE NOT LIMITED IN ASKING QUESTIONS.
THAT IS IN LINE WITH, UH, NUMBER SIX ON THIS DOCUMENT, COMMISSIONERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN A SCOPE OF THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY OF THE SPECIFIC SPEAKER.
UM, THAT IS A PORTION THAT I COULD ABSOLUTELY, AND SHOULD BE PROMPTING AT FOR EACH SPEAKER, UM, WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO TESTIFY, AN OPENING THE FLOOR TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR THIS SPEAKER? YES.
UH, COMMISSIONER KANAAN, UM, I GUESS MY POINT OF SIMILAR TO COMMERCIAL LANDS, AND THAT SHOULD INCLUDE IN THE AMENDMENT SIX AS AN ITEM FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS, PLEASE CHECK AND TELL US, I'M WONDERING, UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE COMMISSIONER FARRAKHAN BROUGHT THE MOTION TO THE FLOOR, IF IT WOULD BE MAYBE, UM, SOME, SOME MIDDLE GROUND, IF WITH NUMBER FIVE, UM, COMMISSIONER HARDIN'S, UM, DOCUMENT HERE, IF FOLKS WERE, WOULD BE ABLE TO ASK THOSE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS WITHIN THEIR TESTIMONY, BUT NOT BE DOCKED FOR TIME, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THEIR FULL AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF A WHOLE Q AND A SECTION THAT FOLKS MAY BE ABLE TO ASK TO BE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS WITHIN THEIR PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
WE PAUSE THE TIME WE DON'T DOCK THEM.
AND THEN THE SHARE WE'LL BE ALLOWED TO OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR IF ANYONE WANTS TO RESPOND AS OPPOSED TO A SEPARATE Q AND A SECTION.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF THAT MIGHT BE AGREEABLE.
I THINK JUST ANYTHING THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE GOAL OF HAVING PEOPLE GET INFORMATION THAT AIDS THEM IN UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS AND PROVIDING ACCURATE TESTIMONY.
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THANK YOU ALL FOR DISCUSSING THIS.UM, MY OBJECTIVE AND PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION IS TO SHARE, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE GAINED FROM SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS, CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, CREVICE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S MEETINGS ON THE MEDS THAT THEY USE TO KEEP THE MEETING MOVING, FACILITATE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC WHO SHOW UP, SIGN UP TO PARTICIPATE.
AND, UM, I THINK THE Q AND A SHOULD BE ONGOING AND SLOWING THROUGHOUT THE ENGAGEMENT WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO THE MIND.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO A QA SECTION EARLY ON AND SAY, AND WE'RE DONE WITH UNA THAT SHUTS THEM OUT OF THE PROCESS FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
SO AS LONG AS THERE'S FLEXIBILITY FOR IT TO BE INTEGRATED THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PERIOD ON TIME WITH IT, AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME IDEAS FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
CAN YOU PLEASE TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON COMMISSIONER FALCO AND JUST A MINOR QUESTION? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TECHNICAL AND LOGISTICAL QUESTIONS? YEAH, I GAVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES.
IT JUST, UH, A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE JUST LIKE, IS THIS THE MATH I'M SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT? AND I THINK MY COMFORT IS BECAUSE THROUGH MY WORK WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, I GET ASKED A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS DAY-TO-DAY AND SO, UM, JUST BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE JUST, RE-EXPLAINING SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED, UM, ARE USUALLY THE QUESTIONS THAT WE GET SO WE CAN WORK ON A DEFINITION, BUT, UM, I JUST THINK HELPING PEOPLE, MAYBE A GOOD DEFINITION IS AIDING PEOPLE IN THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS AND ALLOWING THEM TO GIVE, UM, INFORMED TESTIMONY.
SO I'M WONDERING IF GIVEN THIS DISCUSSION, IF WE COULD MAYBE, CAUSE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A LOT OF WHAT IS IN YOUR EMOTION.
YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY HINGE ON A CERTAIN WAY TO DO IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF THIS WORK WITH HEALTH COMMISSIONER HAS DONE FOR THIS TOGETHER.
SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU WOULD HOLD DOWN THAT MOTION AND THEN WE COULD REESTABLISH A MOTION BASED ON JUST DOCUMENT.
WE CAN MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO MAYBE AROUND THE FIRST TWO ITEMS. I HAD SOME ALSO HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT YOU HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT, BUT THEN WE CAN JUST WORK OFF THIS AS THE MAIN MOTION UNLESS PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL ON YOUR MOTION QUESTIONS.
WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, OR WHAT DO WE WANT TO POINT A POINT OF ORDER? YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THAT AS AN AMENDMENT.
AND IF SHE ACCEPTED AS A SECOND YEAR, I WOULD ALSO, WELL, I WOULD AMEND, UH, THE CURRENT MOTION, UH, STRIKE ALL THE LANGUAGE IN IT TO BE REPLACED WITH, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US ALL IN WRITING HERE AS OUR PROCESS FOR FORUMS, BUT IN, SO DOING I'M OPEN TO, TO THAT.
BUT I THINK SHE WOULD HAVE TO SAY WHAT HER SHE'S FRIENDLY TO THE AMENDMENT.
SO IS THE AMENDMENT TO ADOPT ALL OF THIS LANGUAGE OR JUST PART OF IT.
SO MY MENTOR RIGHT NOW WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE CURRENT MOTION WITH THIS AS THE MOTION FOR WHAT WE WOULD ADOPT AS A BEGINNING POINT.
AND THEN I WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE MENTORS TO THIS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THAT ACCEPTABLE.
UM, CAN I, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD PUSH FOR IS TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT THAT WE STRIKE MY ORIGINAL AMENDMENT AND ADOPT 0.5 UNDER PUBLIC TESTIMONY, COMMISSIONER LAMBS.
SO LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS.
UM, IT HAS MOVED AND SECONDED TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION ABOUT HAVING A Q AND A PORTION TO INSTEAD ADOPT 0.5 ON THIS DOCUMENT, WHICH IS RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS DURING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
WHEN QUESTIONS ARE ASKED DURING TESTIMONY, WHEN A SPEAKER IS SEEKING INFORMATION CLARITY, RATHER THAN SEEKING TO DEBATE, THE CHAIR CAN ANSWER A COMMISSIONER, CAN ASK THE CHAIR TO ADDRESS THE SPEAKER OR THE CHAIR CAN DIRECT STAFF TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
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THE TIME SHOULD STOP.WHEN WE ARE ANSWERING A QUESTION, THE QUESTIONS CAN HELP INFORM IT SPEAKER TO BETTER FRAME THEIR THOUGHTS.
I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE ADD POINTS FIVE AND SIX TO THE AMENDMENT FOR CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY AGREEING TO.
SO IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? DO WE HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER LANCE, THIS IS GETTING LONG.
LET ME, LET ME TRY MY BEST TO SAY THIS.
SO OUR AMENDMENT IS NOW THAT WE WILL ADOPT POINTS FIVE AND SIX FROM THIS DOCUMENT SIX IS THAT COMMISSIONERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY OF THE SPECIFIC SPEAKER.
I SAW A COUPLE OF OTHER HANDS.
WERE YOU ALSO GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION? OKAY.
SO THE QUESTION IS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE MOTION THAT WE ADOPT POINTS FIVE AND SIX OF THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, SO THIS IS TO, UH, RESPOND TO QUESTIONS DURING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
WHEN QUESTIONS ARE ASKED DURING TESTIMONY, WHEN A SPEAKER IS SEEKING INFORMATION CLARITY, RATHER THAN SEEKING TO DEBATE, THE CHAIR CAN ANSWER A COMMISSIONER CAN ANSWER, CAN ASK THE CHAIR TO ADDRESS THE SPEAKER OR THE CHAIR CAN DIRECT STAFF TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WHEN WE ARE ANSWERING A QUESTION, QUESTIONS CAN HELP INFORM A SPEAKER TO BETTER FRAME THEIR THOUGHTS AND 0.6 COMMISSIONERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY OF THE SPECIFIC SPEAKER.
THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO, THE AYES HAVE IT.
SO, UM, IF THIS IS ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYONE, I'M GOING TO INVITE VICE CHAIR GONZALEZ NOW TO SHARE HIS PROPOSAL FOR HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR, UM, PUBLIC FORUM STRUCTURE STARTING SEPTEMBER 18TH, I GET SHAREPOINT DOES.
AND THIS IS KIND OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN OPEN DISCUSSION HERE AS WELL.
UM, BUT WE ARE GOING INTO ANOTHER ERA OF OUR FORUMS AND THE PREVIOUS FORUM, WE KIND OF INFORMED THE COMMISSION, UH, THE PUBLIC, HOW WE WERE ESTABLISHED, WHY WE WERE ESTABLISHED, WE TOUCHED ON WHY REDISTRICTING MATTERED AND THEN IT WAS THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY PORTION.
SO I'M JUST THINKING OF A WAY TO STRUCTURE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PRESENTATION THAT WE SHOW AT THE FORUMS, I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS ON AND ELABORATE ON WHY REDISTRICTING MATTERS.
UM, THERE WAS SOME SLIDES IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DEALT WITH FUNDING AND ITS REPRESENTATION.
I THINK WE CAN EXPAND ON THAT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHY THEY ARE ATTENDING OUR FORUMS. UM, AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THE INFORMATION, THE SLIDES THAT EXPLAIN THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, UM, THE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, THE POPULATION CHANGED FROM 2010 TO 2020, ET CETERA.
THEN WE CAN GO INTO AN EXPLANATION OF BASICALLY WHAT WE HEARD FROM MR CORBELL AND THE NAACP TODAY IS LIKE THE, HOW THE 20, 20 CENSUS DATA IMPACTED, UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN IN REGARDS TO US ADJUSTING OR, YOU KNOW, REDRAWING THE LINES, THE METHODOLOGY BEHIND THOSE CHANGES, WHATEVER WE ADOPT WILL BE IMPORTANT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT INTO A PRESENTATION AND THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE METHODOLOGY BEHIND OUR, BEHIND OUR APPROVED MAP OR APPROVED PRELIMINARY MAPS.
THAT'S WHETHER IT WAS IN REGARDS TO THE CITY CHARTER OR POPULATION CHANGES THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, ET CETERA.
AND THEN IN KIND OF CONNECTION, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ABOUT HOW FOLKS COULD PARTICIPATE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA FOR ORGANIZATIONS TO COME INTO OUR PUBLIC FORM SPACE.
UM, SO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AS THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION DID, UH, TO SPEAK AS AN ORGANIZATION.
SO IN ADDITION TO INDIVIDUAL PUBLIC TESTIMONY, WE'D BE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF A SECTION FOUR ORGANIZATION, PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE WE A LOT 10 MINUTES FOR THAT.
AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ORGANIZATIONS CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP.
SO IT'S A 30 MINUTE SECTION AGAIN, OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THEN THE CLOSING PART WILL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE WE INFORM FOLKS HOW TO, UM, COMPLETE THE MAP HOMEWORK THAT WE WILL HAVE AGAIN FOR THE FORM.
AND THIS TIME IT WILL BE THE NEW MAP WITH A LOT OF SPACE FOR OPEN COMMENTS, SO THEY CAN SUBMIT THAT TO US.
AND THEN FINALLY JUST ADVERTISE UPCOMING PUBLIC FORUMS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, SEPTEMBER 18TH FORUM, WE ADVERTISE THAT WE'LL BE BACK SEPTEMBER 21ST,
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UM, ET CETERA.SO THAT'S JUST A, UM, A SKELETON OF A PRESENTATION THAT I HAD IN MIND, UM, AND OPENING THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION OF THINGS SHOULD BE ADDED.
I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, ANY FEEDBACK OR INPUT HERE, SORRY, WE'RE UP AGAINST A TIGHT DEADLINE WITH, UH, SEPTEMBER 18TH, THE NEXT SATURDAY, RICHARD GONZALES, TWO ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDE IN ADDITION TO THE NAACP AND THE HISPANIC COALITION, SUCH THINGS AS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, I WOULD THINK SO.
AND IN THAT CASE, IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE INVITING NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN, BUT THAT WE'RE OPENING FOR THEM COMING IF THEY WANT TO.
AND THEY JUST NEED TO SHOW UP AT OUR PUBLIC FORUMS AND HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION THERE.
UM, BUT STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS THAT, THAT CONCEPT.
YEAH, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE RATIONALE FOR THAT, BECAUSE I WOULD FEEL THAT MAYBE IT, I GUESS WHERE MY MIND GOES IS ORGANIZATIONS ARE USUALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIKE THE TIME AND ENERGY TO DEVOTE TO PARTICIPATING IN THAT.
AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT IS TRUE FOR EVERY LIFE SITUATIONS.
SO I JUST WONDER IF THAT UNFAIRLY REPRESENTS THAT VIEWPOINT.
SO JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, UH, IN GENERAL, I WOULD SAY THAT THE WAY THAT YOU ALL HAVE RUN OUR PUBLIC FORUMS, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY TWEAKS.
WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE, I THINK THE, THAT THE PUBLIC FORUMS AND PARTICULARLY PRESENTATIONS LEADING UP TO AND ERIC HAS BEEN REALLY EXCELLENT.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO DEVIATE STRONGLY FROM THAT OR NOT PROCEED, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED AS FAR AS ORGANIZATIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO LIMIT, THE NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE.
I UNDERSTAND THE POINT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DONATING THEIR TIME TO THE ORGANIZATION ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T.
BUT THE IDEA I THINK IS WITH THE NAACP IS WITH NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO EVERYBODY ELSE'S THROUGH THERE, PRESUMABLY SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF A LARGER GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO HAVE SEATED SOME REPRESENTATION TO SOME GROUPS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE PROCESS OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO HERE, I WOULDN'T LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO REALLY WANT TO PRESENT OR WHATEVER AT THIS POINT IS I THINK OUR JOB IS TO TAKE AS MUCH INPUT AS PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GIVE EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR AS GROUPS.
IT'S UP TO US, NOT TO OVERWEIGHT CONTEXT, BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED, WHAT ELSE, WHAT OTHER FEEDBACK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? THAT SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD TO ME.
AND THEN MY SEARCH CONSOLE, THIS, I HAD A QUICK CLARIFICATION.
SO ARE THE FEATURE PUBLIC FORMS GOING TO BE VIRTUAL OR ARE THEY PHYSICAL? VIRTUAL VIA OPTIONS? IS THAT WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC FORUM IN PERSON EACH OF THE FOUR PRECINCTS AND THEN ONE VIRTUAL OPTION.
THANK YOU FOR THAT FIRST ACTION.
I'D LIKE TO ADD TO MY COMMENT BASED ON THE, THANK YOU.
UM, I THINK THE PHYSICAL FORUMS, AN AGREEMENT ON THE JOSH, I DON'T THINK IT CHANGED ANYTHING.
UM, IT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT FOR THE BURSAL FORUMS, I DO THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD EXTEND THE ZOOM WORKS WELL OPTION TO HAVE BREAKOUT ROOMS WHEN WE DO THOSE.
UH, AND I'M HAPPY TO DONATE MY TIME OR TALK TO THE CONSULTANT.
WE'VE HIRED TO RUN THESE, TO HELP SET THOSE UP BECAUSE I THINK THAT WILL MAKE THESE MORE INCLUSIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME EQUITABLE SPACE WHEN YOU'RE PHYSICAL, THEY CAN COME UP AND TALK TO US AND MAKING SOMETIMES HAVING A BREAKOUT ROOMS WILL HELP THAT ORGANIC CONVERSATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONE SUGGESTION TO ADD TO THE, THE UP, BUT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE WORKLOAD, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
UM, I DO RECALL THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, BEFORE WE HAD OUR FIRST PUBLIC FORUM, UM, WE WERE ALL AGREEABLE TO HAVING BREAKOUT SESSIONS, EVEN IN PERSON THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE AT STAGE TWO.
AND THEN WE, UH, DID AWAY WITH THAT OPTION.
ONCE WE REACHED STAGES FOUR AND FIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PANDEMIC FOR THE IN-PERSON FORUMS. UM, HOWEVER, I, I DO LIKE THE IDEA BRINGING THAT BACK SINCE IT IS SOMETHING WE HAD DISCUSSED ALREADY AS A COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S, UM, THAT AS AN OPTION FOR THE VIRTUAL FORMS.
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YES.I DO REMEMBER THAT I HAD CALLED ON BY STROOP GONZALEZ A MOMENT AGO, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, SORRY FOR A MINUTE, BUT KIND OF BLANKED ON WHAT I HAVE RAISED MY HAND FOR IT, BUT IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER BLANK AND WHAT ELSE WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
UM, SO AGAIN, I JUST PROVIDED A SKELETON OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE SHOULD BE INFORMING THE PUBLIC OF, AND I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY AGAIN, WHY REDISTRICTING MATTERS, JUST FOCUS ON THE METHODOLOGY, UH, PROVIDE THE INFORMATION ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE CITY MAPS.
IF ANYTHING ELSE, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO EMAIL ME.
UM, AND WE CAN KIND OF BUILD SKELETON FROM THERE, BUT I APPRECIATE Y'ALL KIND OF HEAD NODDING OR AN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE ON A RIGHT TRACK, BUT I JUST WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN.
UM, AS COMMISSIONER BLINK SAID, THERE WERE SOME, MAYBE SOME KINKS, UM, AND THEY WERE POINTED OUT IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
I JUST KIND OF WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FORMS GUYS REACT JUST TOUCHES TINY ONES, JUST TINY, TINY FIX.
SO I APPRECIATE, UM, JUST ANY FEEDBACK AND IT COULD BE VIA EMAIL.
UM, AND THEN IF I MAY JUST IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER CANNON, COMMISSIONER CANON, I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA FOR THE VIRTUAL FORUM.
AND I KNOW YOU BROUGHT IT UP IN A PREVIOUS MEETING.
UM, THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON YOUR SUPPORT OR YOUR, YOUR EXTENSION OF YOUR SUPPORT.
UH, I WOULD LOVE TO CONNECT YOU WITH OUR EXPERT, UH, IN OUR ZOOM EXPERT, JOHN
SO, UM, I WILL CONNECT THE TWO OF THEM.
IT'S YOUR PHONE? I HAVE TWO QUICK POINTS.
SO FIRST IS THAT, UM, WE MIGHT JUST NEED TO CHECK THAT WITH COUNSEL, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT OFTENTIMES YOU CANNOT DO BREAKOUTS BECAUSE IT CAN NOT BE RECORDED.
LIKE EACH SESSION CAN NOT BE RECORDED.
SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND OF OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE ARE SIMILAR RULES.
UH, THE SECOND THING IS THAT I'D LOVE TO LEND MY SUPPORT TO DOING THE PRESENTATION AS SOMEONE WHO PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY COMMUNICATES VIA SLIDES IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, THANK YOU.
AND SHE HAD DONE SEE, OH, I ONLY HAD ONE COMMENT RELATING TO THE GROUPS.
UM, WE WOULD NEED TO WORK ON DEFINING A GROUP, RIGHT.
AND THEN I WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF GROUPS.
IT JUST WORRIES MY LAWYER HATS ON.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT A LITTLE MORE.
MADAM CHAIR, JUST REGARDING, UH, UH, GROUPS COMING IN SPEAK, UH, THINK IS IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, AS WE'RE LISTENING AND THAT A GROUP FROM DISTRICT 10 IS NOT FOCUSED ON AN INITIATIVE OR INFLUENCING SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN DISTRICT TWO, THAT THEIR VOICE DOES NOT OVERSHADOW THE INPUT OR THE ABSENCE OF THE INPUT OF SOMEONE, A POPULATION FROM ANOTHER DISTRICT.
UM, I'LL ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT
I KNOW THAT WITH OUR LAST ROUND OF PUBLIC FORUMS, WHEN WE WENT INTO THE, UM, WORKSHEET PORTION OF OUR, UH, FORUM, I THINK THE CAMERA HAD TURNED OFF FOR THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO TURN THE CAMERA OFF FOR CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE FORUM.
I WOULD LIKE CLARITY ON THAT TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER FALCON'S CONCERN.
UH, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN CHECK ON THAT.
AND THEN MR. RICHARDS AS WELL, UM, MYRA SAID AS LONG AS THE NO ACTION IS TAKING PLACE FROM THAT PART WITH THE DEAL CAME BACK AND I CAN TALK WITH TREVOR.
I WAS NEVER A BIG FAN OF THE BREAKOUT GROUP MODEL AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAILS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I'M OKAY WITH IT, FOR THE DIGITAL VERSION OF THIS, FOR THE GYM FORM.
I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE I THINK IN THAT FORMAT, IT MAKES UP, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE THOSE TO BE RECORDED IF POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE IDEA OF IT'S KIND OF GET CITIZEN INPUT AND ONCE WE DIVIDE IT OUT AND DIVIDE THE TASK UP AMONGST EVERYBODY, THEN IT CAN TAKE SOME PROCESS TO THE REST OF US TO GO AND FIND OUT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE LEARNED.
I THINK WE HAVE RECORDINGS OF THAT.
THAT'S THE MOST FATEFUL WAY TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE.
SO I'M, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NOT NO HARD REACTION TO THAT IDEA AND IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO THAT, AND THEN THEY'RE ON RECORDED BREAK, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I DO THINK IT KIND OF CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF A INFORMATION DISCONTINUITY BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE FEEDBACK WHEN WE GET A DIGITAL FORM, IF WE END UP GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THE FORUM, WHICH IS STILL SAY, SO THE PROCESS
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LAST TIME AROUND, UM, THE WORKAROUND FOR THAT WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE, UM, COMMISSIONERS IN EACH BREAKOUT SESSION.AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE FACILITATING THE CONVERSATION WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN THAT THERE WOULD BE, UM, A SHARE OUT WHEN WE ALL RETURNED FROM THE BREAKOUT SESSIONS AS A WHOLE GROUP, UH, REPORTING WHAT HAD BEEN SHARED IN THAT BREAKOUT SESSION.
UM, SO THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD AGREED UPON INITIALLY THAT WE DIDN'T END UP GOING THROUGH WITH THE FIRST ROUND OF PUBLIC FORUMS. JUST, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION FROM A FEW MONTHS BACK, I DISAGREE.
UM, I SAW COMMISSIONER FALCON AND THEN IT'S REALLY, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ANSWER TO THIS, BUT MY INCLINATION IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A ZOOM AND YOU BREAK OUT, YOU CAN NOT RECORD EVERY ROOM.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO CHECK THAT FROM A LEGAL AND LOGISTICAL STANDPOINT.
I'D LIKE TO GO ON RECORD SUPPORTING COMMISSIONER BLANK.
I'M NOT A FAN OF THE BREAKOUT CONCEPT EITHER, PARTICULARLY FOR THIS TYPE OF PUBLIC COMMISSION.
SHERIFF GONZALEZ, JUST, UM, APOLOGIES MR. COMMISSIONER CAMBRA, WHO HAS, UH, UH, SOME INPUT ON THIS SECTION, BUT I WOULD JUST MAYBE ASK IF WE COULD, MR. COMMISSIONER KANAAN HAS EXPRESSED, UH, SUPPORT TO MAYBE LOOK INTO THIS WITH THEIR EXPERT.
MAYBE HE CAN REPORT BACK ON WHETHER WE CAN BREAK OUT INTO ROOMS, WHETHER THEY CAN BE RECORDED, UM, AND THEN REPORT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S AN AGREEABLE JUST TO SEE IF IT'S A POSSIBILITY.
DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON AS WELL? UM, I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, THE BREAKOUT ROOMS IN PERSON, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, WE AREN'T REALLY RECORDING THOSE INDIVIDUALLY.
AS YOU SAID, WE'RE GOING TO ALL COME BACK TO ME.
SO HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN JUST A QUESTION? OKAY.
UM, JUST TO HELP MOVE THE CONVERSATION ALONG THE WAY THAT CHAIR GONZALEZ HAS LAID OUT THE PUBLIC FORM STRUCTURE, ARE WE GENERALLY CONTENT WITH THAT BECAUSE THEN WE CAN START WORKING ON THE SLIDE DECK FOR THAT AND MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON THE BREAKOUT ROOM.
A POSSIBILITY COMMISSIONER KANAAN WILL CONNECT WITH, UM, OUR ZOOM MANAGER ON THAT, AND MAYBE REPORT BACK NEXT WEEK OR EVEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK BECAUSE, UH, THE VIRTUAL FORUM WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL OCTOBER, SEPTEMBER 28.
SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WORK ON THAT.
THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO BE THE UPDATES FROM WORKING GROUPS AND SUBCOMMITTEES FIRST AND UPDATE FROM THE COMMUNICATIONS WORKING GROUP.
SO, UM, OUR UPDATE, WHICH IS EMOTION, I GUESS I'LL SAY IT AFTERWARDS IS THAT, UM, THE COMMUNICATIONS WORKING GROUP MET FOR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME THIS PAST WEEK.
AND WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD BEST UTILIZE OUR STRENGTHS, THE, OF EACH OF THE MEMBERS AND CREATE AN EVEN MORE EFFECTIVE PRODUCTS BY DIVIDING INTO TWO GROUPS.
SO THE TWO GROUPS WOULD BE ADVERTISING AND THEN ADVERTISING AND WEBSITES.
AND THEN THE SECOND GROUP WOULD BE SOCIAL MEDIA AND PRESS RELEASES.
SO THIS RECOGNIZES THE DIFFERENCE IN APPROACH THAT EACH OF THE MEDIUMS REQUIRE AND THE TWO GROUPS WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER ON AN AS-NEEDED BASIS FOR PROOFREADING AND EDITING, UM, AS WE HAVE BEEN DOING BEFORE.
SO MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE COMMUNICATIONS WORK IN GROUPS, SPLITTING INTO TWO, UH, GROUPS, ADVERTISING AND WEBSITES, AND THEN SOCIAL MEDIA AND PRESS RELEASES.
SO IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLANK THAT WE APPROVE THE COMMUNICATIONS WORKING GROUP SPLITTING INTO TWO, ONE ADVERTISING AND WEBSITES, AND SECOND SOCIAL MEDIA AND PRESS RELEASES.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DEBATE? OKAY.
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IS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE MOTION THAT WE FLIPPED THE COMMUNICATIONS WORKING GROUP INTO TWO ADVERTISING AND WEBSITES, AND THEN SOCIAL MEDIA AND PRESS RELEASES THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO.
IS THAT ALL FROM YOUR UPDATE? THAT'S IT.
SO, UM, I WILL QUICKLY SAY SINCE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE WORKING GROUPS, UM, CAN WE ESTABLISH OR RECOGNIZE WHO THE MEMBERS OF THOSE GROUPS WILL BE AT THIS TIME? GO AHEAD, FINISH YOUR FALCON.
SO RIGHT NOW THE AD, SO FIRST, JUST TO MENTION THAT BOTH WILL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM CHRISTINE.
WE HAVE OUTLINED HER DUTIES AS WELL.
UM, THE ADVERTISING AND WEBSITE GROUP WILL BE COMMISSIONER YE I'LL LEAVE IT TO HER TO ADD OR SOLICIT MEMBERS AS APPROPRIATE AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND PRESS RELEASES WILL BE MYSELF, COMMISSIONER
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, CHRISTINE GRANADA WILL CONTINUE TO WRITE THE PRESS RELEASES AND SENDING THOSE OUT.
COMMISSIONER, YOU, DO YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF YOUR NEWLY FORMED WORKING GROUP ON ADVERTISEMENTS AND WEBSITE? SO I APOLOGIZE.
COULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE TAKING YOUR MASK OFF OR GETTING CLOSER TO THE MIC? SORRY.
UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, CAMMO AND HARDEN HAVE, UH, AGREED TO HELP, UM, MR. BLANK WILL HELP, BUT NOT BE PART OF WORKING GROUP.
ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED IN, IN, UH, IN THIS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
YE CRUSHER HARDEN AND THEN FRESHENER CABO AS WELL.
THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO BE TO THE PUBLIC FORMS WORKING GROUP.
DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES BY SHERIFF AND TELL US, THANK YOU.
MA'AM TURN NOT MUCH OF AN UPDATE THIS TIME AROUND, BUT I JUST, FOR THE RECORD, I WILL STATE AGAIN, THE DATES AND TIMES OF OUR UPCOMING PUBLIC FORUMS. UH, THE FIRST ONE COMING UP WILL BE SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH.
UM, AND THAT ONE WILL BE AT THE GUSCOTT SARA RECREATION CENTER.
WE THEN FOLLOW THAT UP TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST WITH, UH, SIX TO 8:00 PM, UH, FORUM AT THE MAYFIELD COTTAGE THAT PUMP 35TH STREET.
UM, THE FOLLOWING SATURDAY, THE 25TH OF SEPTEMBER, WE WILL BE AT THE DUB SPRINGS RECREATION CENTER, FOLLOWING THAT WE HAVE THE VIRTUAL OPTION, WHICH WE NOTED, WHICH WILL BE TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH, FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM VIA ZOOM.
AND THEN FINALLY WE KIND OF KEPT THIS, UM, ERA OF PUBLIC FORUMS ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 2ND.
AND THAT WOULD BE AT THE TRAVIS COUNTY COMMUNITY CENTER AT OAK HILL.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT ACTUAL NAMING OF IT.
THAT'S THE NAME OF I'M ABOUT TO SO THANK YOU CHAIR.
THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO BE FREE UPDATE FROM THE FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE.
DO WE STILL HAVE COMMISSIONER MORRIS WITH US? COMMISSIONER MORRIS? UH, YEAH.
SO JUST A FEW QUICK THINGS TO MENTION EXPENSES YOURS TODAY.
UH, SO FAR ARE ACTUALLY WE'RE ABOUT, UM, JUST DOING SOME QUICK, UH, ESTIMATED ENCUMBRANCES FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER ARE AROUND 22 K DIFFERENT TAKE, UH, WHICH LEAVES US WITH A SURPLUS OF ABOUT, UH, 80 K.
UH, I HIGHLY DOUBT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEND THAT THIS MONTH.
SO, UM, BUT UH, THAT BEING SAID, UM, I TALKED TO, UH, TARA QUANTA'S ABOUT POSSIBLY PUTTING A $3,000 LIMIT ON, UH, ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE SPEND OVER $3,000, UH, WITH THE UPPER ABOUT, UH, FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, BUT I WASN'T QUITE
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SURE, UH, THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR MATT.UM, DO WE HAVE TO FALL, DO WE FOLLOW THE CITY PROCUREMENT, UM, GUIDELINES, LIKE ANYTHING OVER $3,000, WE HAVE TO GET A MINIMUM OF THREE QUOTES FOR, YES.
SO, UM, I GUESS, YEAH, THE $3,000 LIMIT ON OUR SPENDING, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO PUT THAT UP FOR A VOTE OR WHAT, I'M SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE TAKE A VOTE ON THAT? YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS LIKE, DO WE NEED TO VOTE TO PUT A CAP ON AT $3,000 AND ANYTHING OVER $3,000? UH, WE'D HAVE TO PUT UP FOR A VOTE, UM, DURING OUR MEETINGS, I THINK WE CAN AGREE TO THAT.
UM, THE $3,000 LIMIT IS FOR CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS.
UM, AND SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT IF THE, A SINGLE TRANSACTION IS MORE THAN $3,000, THAT WE SHOULD BRING THAT TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION.
IS THAT FINE WITH EVERYONE? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER MORRIS, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, JUST, UM, REMINDER TO CC ME, UH, LISA, UH, SHAREPOINT DOES AND, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, GONZALEZ ON THE, ANY INVOICE THAT YOU RECEIVE.
AND, UH, LAST QUESTION FOR MATT IS, UM, DO YOU HAVE A POL A CITY POLICY ON REIMBURSEMENTS FOR ANY OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSES FROM COMMISSIONERS? UH, YEAH, THAT IS, UM, UH, FOUND OUT TO GET REIMBURSED, UH, SINCE YOU'RE NOT CITY STAFF THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TO REGISTER AS A CITY VENDOR, UM, SUBMITTED INVOICE, AND THEN WE WOULD PROCESS THE INVOICE AND PAY YOU BACK.
SO MAYBE IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN SEND US MORE INFORMATION ON THAT? SURE.
UM, ON THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD.
COMMISSIONER MORRIS, COMMISSIONER FALCON.
I WAS JUST GOING TO OFFER I'M SURE LIKE, UM, COMMISSIONER HARDEN.
WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT AND REGISTERING AS A VENDOR.
SO IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS OR NEEDS A QUICK ANSWER, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT.
YOU'RE CAMPBELL JUST REAL QUICK.
UH, AT THIS TIME, CAN WE MAKE AN ADDITIONAL SUGGESTION FOR SOMETHING, UM, EATING THE SUGGESTION FOR SURE.
UM, SO THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO SHOOT AN EMAIL AND THEN THAT COULD BE A DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING URGENT.
THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO BE FOR THE FINAL REPORT SUBCOMMITTEE AND A CONDITIONER BLANK.
OUR REPORT SUB COMMITTEE MET YESTERDAY TO DISCUSS THE FINAL REPORT.
WE CAME TO CONCLUSIONS ON WHAT WE WANT TO KEEP FROM THE OLD REPORT AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO JETTISON.
THEN WE DISCUSSED AMONGST WHAT WE ARE KEEPING FROM THE OLD REPORT CHANGES WE WANT TO MAKE FOR CLARITY CHANGE AND WANNA MAKE, BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT CONTEXT FROM WHICH WHEN THE OLD REPORT WAS WRITTEN, UH, AND SORT OF SET, SET SOME GOALS AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
UH, THE IMPORTANT THING I THINK FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW IS FOR OURSELVES, I SHOULD SAY, THIS IS THE SAME DEADLINES OUT LOUD SOMETIMES.
SO WE SET A DEADLINE FOR OURSELVES THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK BACK FROM A BASIC TO JUST BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
SO I'VE DONE FOUR THINGS TO ME IN TERMS OF WRITING THE DRAFTS.
WE DON'T GO CRAZY THING THAT I WANT TO PUT SORT OF OUT INTO THE ETHER.
SO YOU ALL KNOW IS THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF POINTS AS WE GET DOWN IN THE PROCESS.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEND YOU INDIVIDUAL PIECES OF THE REPORT FOR YOU TO POTENTIALLY REVIEW.
SO THERE'S TWO, TWO PIECES THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ONE, I'M GONNA TAKE ALL OF THE BIO'S AND EVERYBODY'S PROVIDED THEM AND PUT THEM IN THE BIO SO I CAN DOCUMENT THE CORN, BUT I THINK WE AGREED AS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITIZENS TO SEE THAT WE'RE NORMAL PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THIS.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY COULD SEE THE, YOU KNOW, BOWS CONTEXT UNTIL THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH ANOTHER ONE.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE A REVIEW OF THE BIOS ONE P STATISTIC.
THE OTHER PIECE, IF YOU ALL HAVE REVIEWED THE FILE AND THE WHAT THE PREVIOUS FINAL REPORT IS, THERE'S A, BASICALLY THE TWO PAGES, DESCRIBE EACH DISTRICT, THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF THE DISTRICT AND THEN REALIZE REALLY THE KIND OF MIRRORS, WHAT IS IN THE CHARTER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, MAKING SURE
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THAT WE EXPLAIN HOW THOSE CONSIDERATIONS HAVE MORE IMMIGRATION DISTRICT AND A MAP OF THE DISTRICT.AT SOME POINT, WHAT I'M PROBABLY GONNA WANT TO DO IS TAKE THAT PICTURE OF THE TWO PAGES OUT OF THE REPORT, EACH DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE, OR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE YOU ALL REVIEW THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES SENSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON FOR EXAMPLE, PENN.
AND SO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANDMARKS DON'T MAKE SENSE BASED ON THE TABS, MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES SENSE BASED ON THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE RECEIVED PREVIOUS TO SAY I'M GOING FORWARD.
AND SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE ARE THE EXPERTS ON CORE DISTRICTS, FIVE FINAL SET OF EYES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FABRIC LOOKS.
IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I CERTAINLY LEARNED DURING THE SO FAR AS IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS EVEN SLIGHTLY WRONG.
YOU KNOW, ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE LANDMARK THAT'S ACTUALLY NOW NOT IN THAT DISTRICT.
SOMEONE IS GOING TO NOTICE CRAWLS JOBS EXPERTS, OR SHOULD IT BE LIKE THAT TO BECOME ECONOMICAL? UM, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLANK.
THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS I'M SKIPPING DOWN TO THREE D THIS IS HOUSEKEEPING.
UM, SO JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE RESERVED THE ROOM, THIS ROOM FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, CORRECT? YES.
UM, IN THE EVENT THAT WE NEED A THIRD DAY TO WORK THROUGH ALL THE PRIORITIES TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY MAPS.
SO I REQUEST THAT YOU ALL, PLEASE SET ASIDE THAT DATE IN YOUR CALENDARS.
AND THAT IS FROM FIVE TO NINE THAT WE HAVE THIS ROOM, CORRECT MAP.
SO WE WILL BE STARTING AN HOUR EARLIER IF WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE THE TIME THAT WE HAVE THIS ROOM, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK, ACTUALLY GET AN EARLIEST AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF EARLY TO SET IT UP BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING BEFORE THAT WE COULD START AT FIVE, BUT IF THERE'S SOME BEFORE THAT, WE'D HAVE TO PUSH THAT BACK.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THIS ROOM FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY.
SO WE WILL HAVE THIS ROOM FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY AS WELL.
I JUST, WASN'T SURE WE WERE MEETING TWICE NEXT WEEK.
SO WE MAY BE MEETING TWICE NEXT WEEK.
THE GOAL IS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED PRELIMINARY MAPS BY THE END OF THE WEDNESDAY MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 15TH.
UM, IF WE DO NOT REACH THAT OUTCOME AT THE END OF WEDNESDAY, TURNED 15TH, THEN WE HAVE THIS ROOM AVAILABLE FOR US TO MEET THE FOLLOWING DAY THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH.
AND AT THIS MOMENT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE HAVE THE ROOM FROM FIVE TO NINE.
SO A MESSAGE WILL GO OUT TO EVERYONE, UM, TO A CONFIRMED TIME THAT WE START ON THURSDAY, IF IT, IF IT COMES TO THAT.
UM, SO THAT WAS MY MATTER OF HOUSEKEEPING.
THE FINAL ORDER OF BUSINESS IS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, I DO KNOW THAT WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM MR. RICHARDS, DAVE RICHARDS ABOUT, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, HOW WE SHOULD BE NAVIGATING THESE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, AT TIMES THERE CAN BE DELICATE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH HERE, AND WE, WE DON'T WANT TO STEP IN HOT WATER WITH WHAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING, UM, IN THESE PUBLICLY HELD MEETINGS.
SO, UM, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM MR. RICHARD, UM, I NEED TO CONFIRM WITH HIM WHETHER THAT WILL BE, UH, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR NOT.
UM, BUT I WILL CERTAINLY KEEP Y'ALL POSTED ON THAT.
AND THAT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE TIME THAT WE POST THIS AGENDA ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON, UM, AS VU EVERY FRIDAY AFTERNOON.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO GO AROUND THE ROOM AND ASK WHAT NAP ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS NEXT TIME.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, NOW THAT IS FINE.
I THINK THAT WE WILL ALSO, UM, FIND THESE ORGANICALLY THROUGH THE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING THIS WEEK.
UM, BUT THESE WILL BE ORGANIZED AS BEST WE CAN INTO THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY.
MR. BLANK KNOW, I COULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO SPEAK, I GUESS, BUT I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, HOW WE RECONCILED, UH, THE ISSUE OF JUST FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, HOW WE RECONCILE THE ISSUE OF ANNEXED AREAS.
I KNOW EARLY ON IN OUR PROCESS, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACCURACY, UH, OF OUR MAPS AND WHICH ONES WE WERE DRAWING FROM.
AND I ASSUME IT'S AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER AS PART OF PART OF THE RECORD.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THOSE ISSUES NOTED.
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I THINK AN AREA THAT WILL COME UP FOR DISCUSSION NEXT TIME AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH ONE-ON-ONES MR. CORBO, MR. YOUNG THROUGH THEIR COLLABORATIVE WORK IS THE LINES BETWEEN EACH DISTRICT.AND THAT SHOULD BE AN AREA OF FOCUS ON THE AGENDA.
SO IF SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC SEES THAT THEY CAN SPECIFICALLY, MAYBE THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE MAP, THEY SEE THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE, THEY MIGHT WANT TO ADVOCATE OR SPEAK ON A SPECIFIC LINE BETWEEN DISTRICTS, MAYBE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WENT INTO A NEW DISTRICT OR WHATEVER.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION NOTED.
I THINK SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COME UP IS THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE COULD NOT HONOR FROM OUR PUBLIC OF PLENTY.
SO I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT MR. SCHNEIDER CONCERN, WHICH I WILL EXPRESS TO GEORGE KOBO CORNWELL, IS THAT WE HAVE A, AT LEAST AT THE DISTRICT LEVEL WAY MORE GRANULAR MAP THAT SHOWS A STREET NAME VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THESE LINES MEAN.
IF THERE ARE NO STREET NAMES AND HE'S SURE AS ME THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT.
SO WHAT I'LL PUT ON THE AGENDA IS THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO VIEW THE MAPS FROM MR. CORVEL, UM, AND INCLUDING WHATEVER THE RESOLUTION IS BETWEEN HIM AND THE COALITION AND ALSO THE, UM, WHATEVER NAP IDEAS COME OUT OF THE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO VIEW ALL OF THOSE.
UM, NEXT WEDNESDAY, MR. CAMPBELL
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF ADJUST THAT, LIKE, WHAT DO WE DO WITH ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF NOT
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD, CORVO WAS SUPPOSED TO SEND THIS TRACKER LINKS TO THE MAPPING SOFTWARE HE'S USING, BUT I DO, UM, I HAD A QUICK CLARIFICATION ONCE HE'S HAD A CHANCE TO CONNECT WITH MR. YOUNG, WILL THAT VERSION BE IN THE SAME SOCCER OR WILL IT BE IN THE WE'LL ALL BE UP INTO THE SAME LANE, I GUESS IS MY PERFECT.
SO I KNOW WHICH ONE TO GO TO AS THE SOURCE FOR TRUTH, MR. CLARK.
SO I JUST REALIZED YOU DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE, SIR, BUT SO LET ME, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU, UM, YOU WILL HAVE, SO YOU WILL HAVE TWO SEPARATE MAPS THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US.
UM, AND THESE WILL BE TWO SEPARATE.
IS THAT TO THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENT OR IS THAT JUST PLAYING AROUND WITH NUMBERS? YES.
I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ONCE, UM, MR.
DID I JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET TWO MAPS AND BE PRETTY MUCH AT THE SAME PLACE WE WERE TONIGHT? SO THERE'S A TWO, OR IS IT A CONSOLIDATED MAP THAT REFLECTS
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THEIR COLLECTIVE INPUT? AND I GUESS I'M DIRECTING THAT QUESTION TO MR. KORBEL, BUT SURE.I JUST THOUGHT THIS WILL BE HEARD RIGHT.
SO YOU WILL PRESENT A CONSOLIDATED MAP TO THE COMMISSION, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT CONSOLIDATED MAP.
ANYHOW, I'M SURE THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M STRIVING TO SAY.
AND IT MIGHT BE THAT I'M JUST, IT'S GETTING LATE AND I'M JUST GETTING FOGGY.
BUT WHAT I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD HIM TO SAY IS THAT HE WILL HAVE ALL THE COMMENTS AND A MAP AND THEN, UH, AND THEN YOU'LL PRESENT THAT AND THEN FIT IN AT SOME LATER DATE OR WHATEVER HE AND MR. YOUNG HAD COME UP WITH THAT.
SO YOU'LL START OFF THOUGH, WITH THE MAP, THAT IS A JOINT MAP THAT YOU AND YOUNG HAD WORKED WITH, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER MAP WITH ALL OF THE OTHER INPUT AND THEN WE'LL DECIDE WHAT TO INCLUDE AND WHAT NOT
AND WE, WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN DO THIS BY ZOOM, RIGHT.
THIS WILL BE A, BUT MEETING WHICH PART, ALL OF IT.
I MEAN, LIKE WE'RE DOING A HYBRID MEETING TONIGHT.
ALTHOUGH NINE PEOPLE MUST BE PRESENT HERE FOR
I DON'T WANT TO S I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH WHAT WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH WITHOUT HAVING A DEFINITE PLAN.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A DEFINITE INDEFINITE PLAN AND THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE MAKING A LOT OF TRACKS.
WELL, I'LL JUST REMIND EVERYONE OF MOTION THAT WE APPROVED, WHICH IS, UM, THAT MR. PEBBLE AND MR. YOUNG WILL WORK TOGETHER, WORK OUT THOSE DIFFERENCES IN DISTRICTS FUNDS REPORT, AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO US AS A COMMISSION TO PRESENT.
SO I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE APPROVED TONIGHT.
I MEAN, WE'RE SORT OF TALKING AROUND, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
I THINK WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THESE GENERAL THINGS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S A LOT OF SPECIFIC CHANGES WE'RE GOING TO DO ADDRESS.
SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP BY COMMISSIONERS IN THEIR MEETINGS.
SOME OF THEM MAY BE BROUGHT UP WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
SOME OF THOSE CHANGES ARE MADE TO CHANGES BROUGHT BY THE NAACP HISPANIC COALITION AND THE POINT THAT I THINK IT'S A HORRIBLE THING.
AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE, OH, WE ALL REGIONS, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THOSE CHANGES.
CAN'T JUST HAVE THE HORRIBLE BOSS.
AND LIKE, HERE'S THE NEW MAP GUYS ENJOY IF WE HAVE TO AGREE TO THOSE CHANGES.
SO THAT'S PART OF, I THINK, WHAT THE PROCESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EITHER, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THE NAACP CHANGE, POTENTIALLY ONE OF THE TOPICS FASHION, AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACCEPT THE CHANGES? AND THEN I THINK ONE OTHER QUESTION IS, DO WE JUST WANT TO SAY, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WANT TO DO THIS BASED ON TONIGHT, BUT LIKE, DO WE JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH DISTRICT AND SAY, OKAY, HERE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN DISTRICT ONE.
DO WE ACCEPT THESE CHANGES? DO
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WE NEED TO MAKE DIFFERENT CHANGES? YES, NO.I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN AFFIRMATIVE STAMP.
WHAT CHANGES WE MAKE TO THE MAPS TO THIS COMMISSION GENERALLY, AS OPPOSED TO THIS IDEA THAT YOU HAVE NO OFFENSES VERBAL, THAT WE JUST SEND HIM OFF TO MAKE A HAPPY, HE COMES BACK.
THOSE WERE KIND OF SOME BLACK GRADES.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
SOME PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS AND WANTED TO DO THIS PUBLICLY AND LET'S DO IT.
LET'S LET'S, LET'S UH, FROM THESE CHANGES FOR MAKING WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD SAY.
WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE DISTRICTS.
HOPEFULLY THEY'RE SHORT THE SESSIONS, HOPEFULLY, HEY.
UNTIL WE HEAR MORE FROM THE PUBLIC, THIS IS OKAY, BUT ARE WE JUST GOING TO RUBBER STAMP THE MAP OR ARE WE GOING TO LIKE DRESS THESE INDIVIDUAL PARTS? I WOULD ALMOST SAY LET'S GO THROUGH EACH DISTRICT AND IT COULD BE A SIMPLE THING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM? NO.
AN AGENDA ITEM IS THAT WE GO THROUGH DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD TAKE SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER THAN TALKING GENERALLY ABOUT TOPICS.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO THE PATH.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING TO DRESS UP.
DID YOU STILL HAVE A COMMENT NOW? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL DISCUSS IT NEXT WEEK.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, THERE'S NO MOTION FOR THIS, BUT IT'S A CONCEPT THAT WE UP PUBLIC STANCE ON THIS.
CAUSE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE REPRESENTING FOR THEM TO KNOW HER.
SO, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE EITHER BETWEEN GOING THROUGH ISSUE BY ISSUE OR DISTRICT BY DISTRICT AND YOU'RE PROPOSING DISTRICT PREJUDICE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S EITHER OR I JUST DON'T.
I, I, I THINK OUR POINT IS TO BE HERE AND TO AFFIRMATIVELY SAY, WELL, WE'RE DOING.
AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE DISTRICT LINES, WE SHOULD AFFIRM THAT WE'RE MAKING THOSE CHANGES FOR THESE PRELIMINARY MAPS, BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE TALKING ABOUT GENERAL ISSUES, TALKING ABOUT ANNEXATION, OTHER ISSUES THAT PEOPLE BROUGHT UP.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT AND NOT DISCUSS THIS AND NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A BIG DISCUSSION.
IT COULD BE A VERY SHORT DISCUSSION, BUT NOT AT THE VERY LEAST FROM THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLANK ON THE IDEA OF GOING THROUGH EACH DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO START.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE STARTING POINT WILL BE THE PLACE AT WHICH MR. COLVIN AND MR. YOUNG ARE AGREED.
AND THAT BECOMES A PLACE THAT WE START THE CONVERSATION.
NOW IT'S PLACE, WE START, PERIOD, BECAUSE THIS WEEK ONE THROUGH FOUR, THE OLD IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN CONTENTION RIGHT NOW.
SO ONCE IT'S PLACE, THEN WE'LL HAVE A PLACE TO START THE WHOLE CONVERSATION.
IT JUST WANT TO MAYBE ATTEMPT TO CLARIFY THE PROCESS.
CAUSE IT'S, I THINK I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE SEEING DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO WE HAVE OUR MAP AS IT STANDS TODAY, AND WE CAN NOT OFFICIALLY MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT MAP UNTIL WE COME TOGETHER NEXT WEDNESDAY AND VOTE ON IT.
SO BETWEEN TODAY AND NEXT WEDNESDAY, WE HAVE ASKED MR. KORBEL AND TO MEET WITH MR. YOUNG AND COMPILE A MOTION FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY TO, UM, BRING THEIR MAPS TO MEET.
SO THAT IS WHERE WE WILL START NEXT WEDNESDAY, BUT WE CAN NOT OFFICIALLY HAVE THAT BE THE MAP UNTIL WE APPROVE IT NEXT WEDNESDAY.
SO BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT WEDNESDAY, CONCURRENT TO THAT PROCESS, UM, WE WILL EACH GO TO OUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH MR. CORVEL AND WHETHER YOU AND YOUR MIND WANT TO CONSIDER THAT AS DONE AND USE THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION AS THE MAPS FOR DISTRICT ONE THROUGH FOUR, AND THEN MR. CORBELS MAPS.
AND I'M USING THAT, LIKE, IT'S ALL OUR MAPS FOR FIVE THROUGH 10, THEN THAT'S FINE.
MR. KORBEL IS GOING TO COMPILE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS
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OR DISCUSS WITH US WHY THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS MAKE SENSE OR NOT FROM HIS EXPERTISE.AND SO ON NEXT WEDNESDAY, WE WILL HAVE THE MOTION TO INCLUDE, UM, THE NAACP AND HISPANIC COALITION WORK THAT HAS BEEN GOING MR. KORBEL, IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER MOTIONS THAT WE AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE DISCUSSED WITH MR. KORBEL AND SOUGHT HIS ADVICE WITH.
SO TO SUM OF ALL THOSE CHANGES WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE MEETING NEXT WEEK.
AND AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT MEETING, WE WILL HAVE THE ICRC PRELIMINARY MAP VERSION TWO, WHICH IS THE MAP THAT WE WILL TAKE INTO OUR PUBLIC FORUM.
IS THAT, DOES THAT HELP CLARIFY? I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MIND BEND BECAUSE OF THE RULES THAT WE HAVE, BUT I THINK IF YOU TRUST THE PROCESS, IT'LL WORK OUT IN THE WAY THAT YOU ARE ENVISIONING MAY I? YES, YES, IT DOES WITH ONE CAVEAT.
AND THAT IS UNLESS I MISSED IT.
I DON'T REMEMBER THAT WE VOTED ON THE MAP TONIGHT, SO WE DON'T HAVE A BOAT, A MAP THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO THAT HAS NOT COME BEFORE US.
SO IF WE CAN THAT WHATEVER WE GET THE NEXT TIME WE'RE TOGETHER, WHICH REFLECTS WHAT MR. CORBIN AND MS. YOUNG HAVE DONE THAT BECOMES GROUND ZERO.
AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH CONDITIONAL CONCEPT.
AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THE DESCRIPTION THAT, UM, THAT KUSHNER FELT CON HAS PRESENTED BEFORE THE OUTCOME AND THE PROCESS AND THE OUTCOME OF, OF NEXT WEDNESDAY FISHER BLANK.
I CLARIFY, I DON'T THINK THE MOTION THAT WE AGREED TO WITH RESPECT TO THE WORK THAT MR
SO THEY COME BACK SLOWLY CLARIFY.
I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT IN OUR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS SECTION.
UH, SO I THINK I HAVE EVERYTHING.
I JUST WANT TO READ OUT WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN, AND THEN WE WILL GO ON TO CONCLUDE OUR MEETING ANNEXED AREAS, APPROVING THE MAPS FROM THE COLLABORATION, WITH THE COALITION AND MR. PORTAL, UM, BOUNDARY LINES BETWEEN DISTRICTS SUGGESTIONS.
WE CANNOT HONOR FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, GRANULAR MAP WITH STREET NAMES AND HOW TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT CAME IN LATER, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE GO THROUGH DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
THAT IS WHAT I HAVE FROM OUR CONVERSATION.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS? YEAH, JUST ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM, JUST IN LIGHT OF OUR APPROVED MOTION.
IF WE CAN REPLACE THE COMMUNICATIONS MARKETING GROUP WITH THE TWO, IF WE DO HAVE UPDATES NEXT WEEK ON THE AGENDA.
SO UPDATES FROM, UM, THE SOCIAL MEDIA GROUP AND THE ADVERTISING GROUP.
ARE THERE, UM, ANY FURTHER BUSINESS? OKAY.