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EVERYONE.

GOOD TO GO.

YEP.

GREAT.

[CALL TO ORDER]

OKAY.

SO GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS LOUIS SOBRO AND I AM CHAIR OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION.

I CALL THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER IS SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2021.

IT IS 6:10 PM.

WE'RE AT CITY HALL ROOM 1101, THE BOARDING COMMISSION'S MEETING ROOM.

UM, AND WE HAVE ONE OR MORE COMMISSIONERS THAT MAY BE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.

SO I'M ABOUT TO CALL THE ROLE.

WHEN I SAY YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY HERE, IF YOU COULD UNMUTE YOUR UNMUTE, THE ZOOM WORLD IS STILL INFECTING MY DAILY LIFE.

UH, YOU COULD PRESS PUSH TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE TO SAY HERE AND THEN TURN IT BACK OFF WHEN YOU'RE DONE TALKING.

UM, SO CHAIR SOBER ON HERE SO THEY CAN SEE IN DISTRICT TWO SECRETARY LEARNER.

YES.

COMMISSIONER DANBURG HERE.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, COMMISSIONER KALE HERE.

COMMISSIONER LAURIE IS NOT HERE.

COMMISSIONER.

NO, LEVIN'S HERE.

COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK HERE.

COMMISSIONER STANTON HERE.

AND COMMISSIONER TENANT YUCA, I BELIEVE VIRTUALLY EASIER.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO WE HAVE A QUORUM.

SO NEXT WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

UM, DO WE HAVE, UH, MEREDITH, DO YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION? THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WILL JUMP STRAIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA ITEMS. AND THE FIRST

[1.a. Election of a Commission vice chair due to Vice Chair J. Michael Ohueri’s resignation from the Commission.]

ON THE AGENDA IS OUR NEW BUSINESS ITEM ONE, A ELECTION OF A NEW VICE CHAIR.

UM, SO THIS IS A RESULT OF A COMMISSIONER FORMER VICE CHAIR.

OH, HURRIES RESIGNATION AND STEPPING DOWN.

UM, SO NORMALLY THE FLOOR IS JUST OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO EXPRESS INTEREST IN, UH, APPLYING QUOTE UNQUOTE FOR THE JOB, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOO, BUT IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

UH, I'M NOT BURNING.

DO WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND IS INTERESTED IN RUNNING? THAT'S BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR AWHILE BECAUSE SHE NEEDED TO HAVE THAT BACKGROUND.

DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS AGAIN? VERY KALE, LOUISE, OR COULD YOU GO OVER THE RESPONSIBILITIES REAL QUICKLY? I THINK IT'S A LOT TIMING.

SURE.

SO, UH, I MEAN, IN A NUTSHELL, IT IS WHENEVER THE CHAIR IS UNABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING OR IS CONFLICTED OUT OF PRESIDING OVER AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR A COMPLAINT, THE VICE-CHAIR WOULD ASSUME THE ROLES OF THE CHAIR, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY PRESIDING OVER THE MEETING.

UM, MAKING JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATIONS WHEN THERE'S A NEW COMPLAINT, MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT THE TIMING OF HEARINGS.

IF WE HAVE TO POSTPONE A HEARING FOR SOME LEGITIMATE REASON, UM, I CAN POINT TO THE, UH, ARTICLE FIVE OF OUR BYLAWS SAYS BASICALLY WHAT I SAID IN FANCIER LANGUAGE.

UM, SO THAT, IS IT IN A NUTSHELL, ANY, ANY INTEREST, ANY TAKERS, ANY DISCUSSION? UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I AGREE THAT IN A PERFECT ROLE, IT'S SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, BUT I DO HAVE SOME THAT MAYBE WOULD BE INTERESTED.

SO IS IT NOT? WELL, THE REASON I MENTIONED SOMEONE THAT HAD SOME VARIANCE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET INTO PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW THAT DON'T KNOW QUITE EVERYTHING.

AND MARY HAS DONE THIS BEFORE.

SHE'S INTERESTED IN DOING IT.

OH YEAH.

BUT I WOULD ADD TO THAT TOO.

I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST DID IT, YOU LEARNED, I LEARNED YOU LEARN ON THE SPOT.

SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN DOING IT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO STEP FORWARD.

IF NOT, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT IT IS A GREAT LEARNING OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

BUT YEAH, AND, BUT FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN TO A FEW MEETINGS, I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A ONE OR TWO MEETINGS IS NOT GOING TO TELL YOU REALLY WHAT WE DO.

SURE.

UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION THE LONGEST, RIGHT? WELL THEN I LEAVE THAT LEAVES YOU DONNA, BETH, BETSY AND DON AND DEBRA.

WELL, MARY ARE, YOU SAID I'M HAPPY.

I'M HAPPY TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AWAY FROM SOMEONE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, I'M REALIZING THAT NORMALLY ON ZOOM, THE MUTANT UNMUTE IS HOW I MANAGE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.

SO I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE DILIGENT ABOUT RECOGNIZING FOLKS, BUT EITHER WAS

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A NOMINATION BY DONNA BETH MCCORMICK AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

SO DISCUSSION, I DON'T WANT TO ROLL OUT SOMEBODY ELSE FROM BEING PUTTING THEMSELVES FORWARD, OR I DUNNO IF COMMISSIONER LEVIN'S IS INTERESTED, IT'S A GREAT WAY TO GET INVOLVED IN WHAT WE DO.

GO AHEAD.

UM, I'M NOT UNWILLING, BUT I'M, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO RAISE CAMPAIGN MONEY AND CAMPAIGN MONEY.

I'M, I'M JOKING.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT UNWILLING, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME WISDOM TO SAYING SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ON THE COMMISSION A LITTLE LONGER.

UM, I, I WOULD DEFER TO THAT UNLESS THERE ARE NO MORE EXPERIENCED MEMBERS WHO ARE WILLING AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS SO FAIR ENOUGH.

I'M HAPPY TO DO IT.

BUT IF SOMEBODY, I MEAN, THERE'S NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LAW THAT SAYS IF WE, WE, WE DO HAVE ELECTIONS ONCE A YEAR, BUT THERE'S, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING SAYING THAT WE COULDN'T CHANGE MID-YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

AND I MEAN, IT'S UM, SO, AND TO BE KIND OF CLEAR ABOUT HOW OPERATIONALLY THIS IS HAPPENING, UM, VICE-CHAIR OR HURRY TECHNICALLY IS A HOLD OVER COMMISSIONER.

SO HE IS STILL AN APPOINTEE TO THE COMMISSION.

UM, BUT HIS RESIGNATION THAT BROUGHT US HERE AS HIS RESIGNATION AS VICE CHAIR.

UM, AND SO UNTIL THERE IS AN APPOINTMENT IN DISTRICT TWO, UM, WHICH I THINK WAS HIS, SORRY.

YEP.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT ONE, WHICH WAS HIS APPOINTING COUNCIL MEMBER.

UM, HE IS STILL TECHNICALLY TECHNICALLY A COMMISSIONER, BUT WE HAVE TO FILL BECAUSE OF THE RESIGNATION FOR VICE-CHAIR.

SO MID-YEAR, THERE WAS AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST IN SOMEONE ELSE WANTING TO BECOME VICE CHAIR, UM, NOT WITHSTANDING THE KIND OF INCUMBENCY THAT WOULD HAPPEN AFTER TODAY.

THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ALSO ENTERTAIN AT THAT POINT.

UM, YES.

COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK.

WELL, AND THERE'S GOTTA BE A LOT OF CHANGES BECAUSE OF THOSE THAT ARE GOING OFF THE COUNCIL AND IN A FEW MONTHS, SO THERE'LL BE A LOT OF CHANGES AND WE'LL HAVE NEW PEOPLE IN.

AND SO WE NEED TO KEEP THE EXPERIENCE PEOPLE UPFRONT AND BECAUSE IT COULD GET A TED HARRY, WHEN WE HAVE SOME OF THE CASES THAT WE MAY HAVE LATER ON.

SURE.

NO, I I'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER MY FIRST RODEO, UH, CHAIRING A HEARING WAS ONE WHERE THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE SHOWED UP AS WITNESSES.

AND I FELT LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING.

UM, AND IT GOT A LITTLE, GOT A LITTLE TENSE THAT DID, UM, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, THE MID-YEAR APPOINTMENT.

SO WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT TAKING IT ON FOR A FULL YEAR.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY.

RIGHT.

YES.

I'M HAPPY TO DO IT.

OKAY.

WELL, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? WE HAVE A NOMINATION AND THE SECOND, AND I THINK THEN WE'LL PROCEED TO A VOTE AND WE'LL DO IT THE SAME WAY.

OH YES.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

I'M READY FOR ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL IN FAVOR.

WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.

WE HAVE OUR COMMISSIONER WHO'S REMOTE.

SO WE'LL DO THE SAME WAY WE ROLL CALLED ROLL FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

I'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LIST AND UNMUTE OR PUSH YOUR MIC TO SAY AYE OR NAY.

AND WE'LL PROCEED THAT WAY.

SO CHAIR SOBRANTE VOTES.

AYE.

SECRETARY LEARNER.

OH, GREAT.

COMMISSIONER.

DANBURG COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, COMMISSIONER KALE.

AYE.

COMMISSIONER LEVIN'S AYE.

COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK.

AYE.

COMMISSIONER STANTON OR YES.

COMMISSIONER .

HI.

OKAY.

THAT IS UNANIMOUS WITH AN ABSENCE IN VACANCY.

SO CONGRATULATIONS, VICE CHAIR, KALE COURSE.

THAT IS, UM, I DUNNO IF THAT'S THIS, THIS MAY BE UNPRECEDENTED.

SO CONGRATULATIONS ON SOMEONE COMING BACK FROM CHAIR TO VICE CHAIR, WHATEVER ELSE.

OH, SURE.

YES.

FAIR ENOUGH.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

NEXT

[1.b. Parliamentarian training available to Chair and Vice Chair and option of electing a parliamentarian.]

ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS NEW BUSINESS, ONE B AND IT IS A PARLIAMENTARY TRAINING AVAILABLE TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND THE OPTION OF ELECTING A PARLIAMENTARIAN.

SO NOW THAT YOU'RE VICE CHAIR, IF YOU WANT TO BE TRAINED IN THE WAYS OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, THE OPTIONS THERE.

UM, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS OUR BYLAWS TECHNICALLY HAVE, UM, AN OPTION IF WE WANT TO HAVE A PARLIAMENTARIAN AS AN ADDITIONAL OFFICER, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO,

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UH, THEN WE COULD DO IT RIGHT NOW SINCE WE'RE AGENDIZED FOR IT.

UM, NORMALLY THE KIND OF RULES, THE PERSON WHO WOULD BE SORT OF ENFORCING THE RULES OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE IS SIMPLY THE CHAIR OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER.

PARLIAMENTARIAN WOULD BE SOMEONE TO KIND OF HELP ENFORCE THOSE RULES AND TO KIND OF BE THE PERSON TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT, IS THIS A PROPER MOTION? HOW DO WE SECOND IT, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO FLOOR IS OPEN TO DISCUSS IF WE WANT TO GIVE ME A CENTER GREENBERG IN PARLIAMENTARIAN BEFORE ON OTHER COMMISSIONS AND WOULD VOLUNTEER FOR THAT.

IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO HAVE ONE, BASICALLY THE PARLIAMENTARIAN JUST STEPS IN IF THERE'S A QUESTION, RIGHT? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS, MR. GREENBERG? DANBURG SORRY.

OTHER BURGERS.

WE USED TO HAVE THE BIRD CAUCUS IN THE LETTER.

UM, I DON'T, I DON'T WISH TO BE PARLIAMENTARIAN, BUT, UH, IF THEY WOULD MAKE THAT TRAINING AVAILABLE TO ANY OF US, IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS SINCE I WAS DOING IT EVERY DAY.

SO IT WOULD BE FUN TO HAVE A REFRESHER, I THINK.

WOW.

OKAY.

NO, I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY PUT THE QUESTION FOR IT.

I MEAN, IT WAS VERY PRETTY EXPLICITLY FOR THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AT THIS TIME, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE IF WE EXPRESSED INTEREST, WE COULD SEE IF THERE'S, OF COURSE I'LL PASS THAT ON TO LYNN WHEN SHE GETS BACK.

BUT I THINK THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAD SAID THAT THIS ONE IS LIMITED IN SPACING AND THAT WHEN THEY OFFER IT AGAIN, THEY WILL LET US KNOW.

OKAY.

I I'M CURIOUS.

UH, SO BETSY, CAN YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW I'VE ALSO BEEN PLACES WHERE THERE'S A PART OF THE ENGINEERING, BUT I CAN'T REALLY IMAGINE KIND OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

LIKE IF, IF WE WERE DOING THE WRONG PROCEDURE AND THEY WOULD STEP IN AND SAY, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, THIS IS THE INCORRECT PROCEDURE.

OR EVEN JUST, WE KNOW WE NEED A MAJORITY VOTE.

IS THAT A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE HERE IS THAT SIX COMMISSIONERS, JUST TO ANSWER A SORT OF QUESTIONS THAT DO SEEM TO COME UP.

ALL RIGHT.

I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AGAINST IT.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE MY CHAIR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING IF THERE'S YEAH, I KIND OF, I KIND OF LIKED THE IDEA, FRANKLY.

I THINK IT'S A NICE BACKUP BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS CHAIR, I WOULD HAVE TO PERIODICALLY LEAN OVER AND SORT OF DISCUSS OFF THE, YOU KNOW, IN HUSHED TONES, UM, WHAT TO DO NEXT KIND OF A THING.

UH, EVEN THOUGH I'D READ THROUGH ROBERT'S RULES MULTIPLE TIMES AND EVERYTHING, I THINK IT'S, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE A NICE RESOURCE FOR US TO HAVE, PLUS I WOULD LOVE TO DO THE TRAINING.

SURE.

YEAH.

I KNOW, I KNOW I AM GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THE TRAINING.

I WENT TO THE TRAINING, UM, MUST HAVE BEEN THREE, MAYBE FOUR YEARS AGO NOW.

UH, I REMEMBER GOING TO A TRAINING ON PARLIAMENT ON ROBERT'S RULES.

BASICALLY.

I FOUND IT TO BE REALLY USEFUL AND INTERESTING, AND THERE'S A LITTLE YELLOW SLIP THAT I KEPT WITH ME AND I USED TO CARRY AROUND WITH ME EVERYWHERE.

AND IT WAS A PERFECT LITTLE CHEAT SHEET OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DEBATABLE MOTIONS, LIKE WHAT NEEDS A SECOND AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO I FOUND IT TO BE REALLY USEFUL.

UM, YES, COMMISSIONER DANBURG.

YEAH.

I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY MIGHT HAVE A LIMITED GROUP, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WITH ZOOM, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE THE PRINCIPLES IN, IN PERSON, BUT THEN THEY COULD MAYBE SHARE IT ON ZOOM.

THAT WOULD BE REALLY A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, I THINK.

SURE.

YEAH.

SO, UM, IS THERE ANY, LET'S SEE IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION OF THE PARLIAMENTARIAN YES.

COMMISSIONER STANTON.

I WAS WONDERING, IS IT POSSIBLE OR, OR FEASIBLE TO HAVE THAT ROLE OF PARLIAMENTARIAN BE ABSORBED BY STAFF LIAISON THAT CURRENTLY SUPPORTS EACH COMMISSION? SO THEN THERE WOULD BE A PARLIAMENTARIAN ROLE FOR, FOR EACH COMMISSION, WHICH I THINK IS VERY HELPFUL.

SO, SO THAT'S A, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND I'LL SAY FUNCTIONALLY FOR PARLIAMENTARY QUESTIONS.

UM, WE'VE BASICALLY RELIED ON, UH, STAFF LIAISONS OR THE KIND OF, UH, CITY ATTORNEY THAT'S SITTING NEXT TO US OR OUTSIDE COUNSEL ON OCCASION, IF IT'S A CON DURING YOUR COMPLAINT WHERE WE HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

UM, AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE TOOK A PASS ON THIS AND DECIDED WE DIDN'T NEED A SPECIFIC PARLIAMENTARIAN AMONG

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MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THAT WOULD LIKELY STILL BE THE PRACTICE WHERE JARED VICE-CHAIR WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF ATTENDING A MEETING OR TRAINING RATHER ON PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, UM, CONTINUE TO ENFORCE ROBERT'S RULES AS BEST AS WE CAN, UM, WITH THE OCCASIONAL ADVICE OF, UH, LYNN OR LENS, UH, YOU KNOW, COUNTERPART SUCCESS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

YEAH.

SECRETARY LEARNER.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, SINCE WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER AND WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE ONE ON COMMITTEE, OUR COMMISSION, I SAY, WE'D GO FOR IT AND TAKE THE TRAIN.

AND SINCE WE HAVE THE OPTION AND THE OFFER AND THE OPPORTUNITY, AND FOR NOW, WHAT IS IN THE REALM OF OUR DECISION AS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A TRAINING AND HAVE ONE.

SO LET'S SAY WE JUST DO THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T DECIDE THINGS FOR THE CITY, WHETHER THEY CAN OFFER MORE THOUGHTS OR WHETHER THE STAFF ATTORNEY CAN DO IT.

WE CAN JUST MAKE A DECISION TODAY ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE ONE AND HAVE SOMEBODY TRAINED.

SO IF IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S MY, SO MY TAKE IS WE, WE ACCEPT THE OFFER AND GO FOR THE STUFF FROM THE COMMISSION.

SURE.

ONE, ONE QUESTION THAT I DO HAVE, AND, UH, SPEAKING OF MAYBE WE NEED A PARLIAMENTARIAN.

UM, SO MEREDITH I NOTICED THAT ON HER AGENDA, UM, IT SAYS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON THE OPTION OF ELECTING A PARLIAMENTARIAN IN CONTRAST TO ITEM ONE A, WHICH IS THE ELECTION OF VICE CHAIR.

UM, WOULD IT BE YOUR, I THINK WE'RE PERFECTLY AGENDIZED TO ELECT, UH, TO NOMINATE AND ELECT A PARLIAMENTARIAN, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS A FAIR UNDERSTANDING.

IF I'M BEING TOO TECHNICAL, YOU CAN SAY CHAIR, SO BROWN YOU'RE BEING TOO TECHNICAL HERE.

UM, OH, SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

I WAS GOING TO, TO CAROLINE.

SHE'S ACTUALLY ON, ON NOT ON CAMERA.

UM, IS SHE ON NO, YEAH.

I DUNNO HOW TO GET MYSELF ON CAMERA.

THIS IS CAROLINE WEBSTER WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT AND, UH, I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT'S WORDED, UH, DOES ALLOW YOU TO IN FACT, ELECT SOMEONE TODAY, IF THAT'S YOUR DESIRE TO DO SO.

GREAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. WEBSTER.

UM, ALL RIGHT THEN.

OH YES.

COMMISSIONER DAN BURKE MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION FOR KARA WHEN YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, IF, UH, THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE THAT TRAINING AVAILABLE TO MORE OF US, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND PARLIAMENTARIAN.

IF WE DO THAT, UH, BUT THEN ALLOW OTHERS OF US TO PARTICIPATE BY ZOOM.

UH, YEAH, I'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK.

IF IT WAS SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO DO AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S CAROLINE WEBSTER SPEAKING.

IT WAS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO POST IT AS A MEETING, OR IT MAY BE THAT THE TRAINING COULD BE RECORDED AND YOU COULD EACH WATCH IT ON YOUR OWN TIME.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S VARIOUS METHODS AS TO HOW THAT COULD GO, HOW THAT COULD TAKE PLACE.

I MEAN, LEGALLY, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO TAKE THE TRAINING AND I THINK IT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS IF YOU ALL FIND WOULD FIND IT BENEFICIAL, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR OPTION TO DO SO IT JUST BE, WOULD BE A QUESTION OF HOW EXACTLY IT WAS IMPLEMENTED.

LIKE I SAID, IF IT WAS ALL YOU TOGETHER, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO POST IT AS A MEETING.

UH, BUT THERE'S THOSE OTHER OPTIONS TO LOOK AT.

THANK YOU.

YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER REFORMS, CAROLINE, UH, COULDN'T THE CITY DO IT.

LIKE THEY DO THE ETHICS TRAINING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE.

AND SO YOU COULD GO AND SIGN IN AND THEY CAN DO IT.

UH, YOU DO IT VIRTUALLY.

YEAH, I THINK CAROLINE, YES.

I THINK YOU, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

IT'S WOULD BE TOMA KICKS IN WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ORGANIZED BY YOU ALL AS A COMMISSION.

AND IF YOU ALL ARE HOSTING IT, UH, THEN IT, IT BASICALLY MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A MEETING.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, ANNOUNCED A DIFFERENT TRAINING THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR SOME OTHER ENTITY IS HOSTING, AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE ATTENDING AND NOT ACTUALLY DISCUSSING OR MAKING ANY DECISIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN YEAH.

IT COULD PROBABLY BE SET UP THAT WAY.

SO, YEAH, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AS WELL.

THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT CAN USE IT TOO SHORT.

I'VE BEEN THERE TO TWO IN THE MORNING.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER, YES.

COMMISSIONER STANTON.

CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OR THE QUESTION AT HAND FOR BIZ, UH, FOR NEW BUSINESS ITEM ONE B I'M UNCLEAR WHETHER WE IS THE QUESTION.

DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE OFFER OF TRAINING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND, OR DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE OPTION OF ELECTING A PARLIAMENTARIAN OR IF WE TAKE THE TRAINING TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, IS IT GOING TO BE EXTENDED TO THE PARLIAMENTARIAN? SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO ELECT ONE? I THINK SO.

UM, ALL OF THE ABOVE, UH, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR TAKING THE TRAINING, I

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DON'T THINK PRECLUDES OUR ELECTION IN OR NOMINATION AND ELECTION OF A PARLIAMENTARIAN.

UM, I ASSUME THAT WHEN WE DO SO, UH, I WOULD HOPE AT LEAST THAT THE PARLIAMENTARIAN WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND THAT TRAINING.

UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S INITIALLY KIND OF OFFERED TO THE PRINCIPALS OF EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION THE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR, UM, MAYBE THAT IS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR EITHER MEREDITH OR CAROLINE.

IF WE ELECT A PARLIAMENTARIAN, IT WOULD BE PRETTY NICE IF THEY COULD ATTEND THE PARLIAMENTARY TRAINING.

IS THAT THE CASE I WOULD NEED CLARIFICATION FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

UM, I'M READING THE EMAIL THAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY SENT AND THEY, THEY SPECIFICALLY STATE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR HOWEVER WE CAN GET MORE CLARIFICATION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND EVEN IF THAT PARLIAMENTARIAN WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THAT TRAINING, UM, I THINK SOMEONE WHO'S AT LEAST FAMILIAR WITH HOW MEETINGS RUN AND PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, GENERALLY HAVING SOMEONE DESIGNATED AS THAT PERSON, UM, WOULD STILL BE HELPFUL IN SOMEONE WHO'S ALSO NOT JUST FAMILIAR WITH ROBERT'S RULES, BUT OUR BYLAWS, HOW ARE SPECIFIC RULES OF PROCEDURE WORK FOR HEARINGS ON COMPLAINTS, UM, AND JUST OTHER THINGS THAT ARE VERY UNIQUE TO THIS COMMISSION, AS OPPOSED TO ALL PARLIAMENTARY SETTINGS.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE? THEN I THINK WE HAVE SOMEONE WILLING TO BE A PARLIAMENTARIAN AND THE FLOOR IS OPEN, I THINK FOR NOMINATIONS.

AND THERE WE GO.

COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK.

SO NOMINATE BETSY GREENBERG.

WE HAVE A NOMINATION SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DANBURG IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION FOR SPEECHES FOR THE NOMINEE.

IF THE NOMINEE IS SO INCLINED TO GIVE A SPEECH, I'LL TRY TO BE QUIET AND HELP THE MEETING GO MORE EFFICIENTLY, PERSUASIVE CASE, CERTAINLY, RIGHT.

LIKE A GOOD PARLIAMENTARIAN SPOKEN LIKE A GOOD PARLIAMENTARIAN.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN I WILL CALL THE ROLE IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION IN THE SAME WAY THAT I DID BEFORE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, SAY YOUR VOTE AND THEN MUTE YOURSELF AGAIN.

SO STARTING FROM THE TOP CHEER.

SO BROWN VOTES.

AYE.

SECRETARY LEARNER, COMMISSIONER DANBURG COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, COMMISSIONER KALE COMMISSIONER.

LAURIE IS ABSENT.

I'M SORRY.

COMMISSIONER LEVIN'S AYE.

COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK, COMMISSIONER STANTON OR YES.

COMMISSIONER ATTENDER.

YUCA.

HI.

OKAY.

THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

WELCOME TO THE CLUB.

ALL RIGHT, THEN MOVING DOWN.

NEXT ITEM

[1.c. A working group to review, evaluate, and make recommendations on dollar limits established in Chapter 2-2 (Campaign Finance) in accordance with City Code subsection (A)(5) of Section 2-7-30 (Duties) and to review and make recommendations related to the Campaign Finance Brochure for the 2022 elections. ]

IS ONE C WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE A NEW WORKING GROUP, UM, TO EVALUATE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON DOLLAR LIMITS ESTABLISHED UNDER TWO DASH TWO IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE, SECTION A SUB SECTION EIGHT FIVE OF SECTION TWO DASH SEVEN DASH THREE ZERO, AND TO REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE FOR THE 2022 ELECTIONS.

SO, UH, WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND.

WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, I BELIEVE SOMETHING RIGHT.

NOT PHYSICAL COPIES, BUT AT LEAST AHEAD OF THE MEETING, UM, GOTTEN AN EMAIL, UH, WITH SOME BACKGROUND MATERIAL ON AGENDA ITEM ONE C UM, SO I WILL GIVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE IT.

SO THE CITY CODE ACTUALLY CALLS ON OUR COMMISSION TO ANNUALLY REVIEW THE DOLLAR LIMITS IN OUR CAMPAIGN FINANCE CODE, UM, AND TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE LIMITS.

UM, AND HISTORICALLY, UH, WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE ON AND OFF ABOUT DOING IT ANNUALLY.

I THINK MAYBE WE'VE DONE IT MORE BIANNUALLY.

UM, SO THIS IS, UH, THE, THE WORKING GROUP THAT IT WAS, IS KIND OF CONTEMPLATED BY AGENDA ITEM.

ONE C WOULD TAKE THE WORKING GROUP THAT NORMALLY DOES THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE FOR THE ELECTIONS AND ALSO TASKS THAT WORK IN GROUP, UM, WITH REVIEWING THE CAMPAIGN, UH, FINANCE DOLLAR LIMITS.

UM, AND SO THAT WORKING GROUP, FOR EXAMPLE, LAST TIME, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK AND KALE THAT DID THE, BOTH THE FORUMS AND, UH, REVIEWED THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

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OKAY.

UM, SO THIS WOULD BE A WORKING GROUP THAT WOULD DO THAT SAME THING, AND ALSO KIND OF TAKE ON A REVIEW OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN OUR CITY CODE.

SO COMMISSIONER GREENBERG RELATIVELY RECENTLY, THE MAXIMUM CONTRIBUTION PER PERSON WENT FROM THREE 50 TO 400.

DID WE AS A COMMISSION SIGN OFF ON THAT, OR THAT JUST HAPPENS BECAUSE OF INFLATION? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M AN ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO PITCH THAT TO CAROLINE WEBSTER.

I UNDERSTAND THAT SHE IS, UH, AN ELECTION LAW XTRORDINAIR.

SO, UM, MS. WEBSTER, UH, IF YOU WANT TO TACKLE THAT ONE, GO FOR IT.

UH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK UP THE SPECIFIC VERBIAGE, BUT IT IS BASED ON A CERTAIN INDEX.

UM, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL REALLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DISCRETION OVER.

I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST SUDDENLY MAKE IT $10,000, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, UM, SO IT'S BASED ON A, ON A, ON A PARTICULAR INDEX AND YOU HAVE TO KIND OF HAVE IT WITH A RE REASONABLE RANGE OF THAT.

UH, IF, IF I KNOW THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN SETTING THAT NUMBER IN THE PAST, UH, IF, IF YOU ALL HAVEN'T BEEN, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY, IN THE PAST, THEY'D ALWAYS BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH YOU ALL TO GET THAT INFORMATION, BUT I CAN, UH, GIVE ME A SECOND.

I CAN PROBABLY LOOK UP WHAT THE INDEX IS, BUT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE YOU GET, UM, COMPLETE LEEWAY TO CHOOSE ANY SORT OF NUMBER THAT YOU WANT TO ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT USUALLY GOES UP A SPECIFIC AMOUNT AND IT IS TIED TO INFLATION AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, YEAH.

COMMISSIONER 11TH.

UM, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS ATTACHED TO THE EMAIL, OR WE RECEIVED THE LIMITS ON CONTRIBUTION TO CANDIDATES.

IT DOES STATE THAT THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX IS USED, AND THERE'S AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE NEAREST $50.

THAT IS, THAT IS KEYED TO INFLATION.

AT LEAST THE CPI IS MEASURE OF IT.

SO I WOULD PRESUME THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT INCREASE CAME FROM.

AND IT IS IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO WHAT ARE WE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT? WELL, THAT IS A FAIR QUESTION.

UM, AND I'LL APOLOGIZE.

I'VE HAD TECHNICAL ISSUES IN GETTING MY EMAIL.

SO SOME OF THE SAME THING FOR THE FIRST DAY, UM, SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION THEN, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER GREENBERG AND, UM, I HAVE, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD ACCOMMODATE ME, I AM, UM, HARD OF HEARING.

SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK LOUDLY, I KNOW WE HAVE THE MICROPHONE MAYBE SPEAK INTO IT.

I APPRECIATE THAT I WILL MOVE.

I WILL MOVE MINE CLOSER.

HAPPY TO DO SO.

SO COMMISSIONER GREENBERG'S QUESTION, IF WAS, I THINK, AND FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF THE CAM, IF THE CONTRIBUTION LIMIT, UM, IN OUR CAMPAIGN FINANCE CODE IS TIED TO AN INDEX AND WILL AUTOMATICALLY GO UP AND DOWN ACCORDING TO THAT INDEX, AND WHY ARE WE REVIEWING THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS OR THE DOLLAR LIMITS? AND THAT IS A QUESTION THAT, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO ANSWER.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PROVISION OF OUR CITY CODE.

THE SHORT ANSWER, I THINK, IS THAT THERE'S A PROVISION OF OUR CITY CODE THAT ASKS THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION TO REVIEW IT.

UM, BUT IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

IF THE CONTRIBUTION LIMITS MOVE ON THEIR OWN, THEN WHAT ARE WE REVIEWING? THERE ARE OTHER, UM, DOLLAR LIMITS IN THE CODE THAT ARE NOT CONTRIBUTION LIMITS THEIR EXPENDITURE LIMITS OR THRESHOLDS RATHER.

UM, BUT I'LL LET CAROLINE WEBSTER, I SAW HER, UH, SQUARE BLINK AS THOUGH SHE WERE ABOUT TO JUMP IN.

SO CAROLINE WEBSTER, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD BY ALL MEANS, I DO.

YES.

THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS CAROLINE WEBSTER.

SO, SO ALTHOUGH IT'S CORRECT, YOU CAN'T ARBITRARILY SET THE NUMBER IT IS BASED ON THAT CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

IT DOESN'T, THE CHANGE DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN.

YOU ALSO HAVE A ROLE IN REVIEWING THAT, YOU KNOW, SEEING WHAT IT WAS BEFORE SEEING IF BASED ON THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, A CHANGE IS APPROPRIATE.

AND IF YOU ALL DETERMINED THAT A CHANGE, EITHER AN INCREASE, OR I GUESS, CONCEIVABLY A DECREASE THOUGH, IT'S USUALLY AN INCREASE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE, THEN YOU MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO THERE IS A ROLE THAT YOU PLAY.

IT DOESN'T SORT OF HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY.

THAT RECOMMENDATION HAS TO COME FROM YOU ALL AFTER TAKING THE LOOK AND MAKING A DETERMINATION, WHETHER A CHANGE IS APPROPRIATE AT THAT TIME.

MR. GREENBERG, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER DOING THAT, BUT MAYBE I WAS ABSENT.

UM, BUT ONE THING, UM, OUR WORKING GROUP IS LOOKING AT IS THE TRIGGER FOR WHEN YOU HAVE TO FILE AFTER EXPENDITURE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THE WORKING

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GROUP IS ANY WAY LOOKING AT.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED A SEPARATE WORKING GROUP FOR THIS.

MAYBE WE SHOULD TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

YEAH, THAT'S AN, SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT I HAD, UM, AS, UH, LYNN AND I WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT TODAY'S AGENDA.

UM, I WANTED TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE AS AN OPTION, THE OTHER WORKING GROUP.

UM, AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT ON OUR AGENDA, BUT IT'S SCOPE AND IT'S, UH, I GUESS CHARGE IS BROAD ENOUGH TO ENCOMPASS THIS FUNCTION OF REVIEWING THE DOLLAR LIMITS.

UM, GIVEN THE SCOPE, I FIGURED THAT MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, DISTRIBUTION OF THE WORKLOAD MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING ON THE PART OF THE COMMISSION, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO APPROPRIATE POTENTIALLY TO SILO THINGS INTO ONE, ONE PLACE, AS OPPOSED TO HAVE DIFFERENT WORKING GROUPS WORKING ON THINGS THAT ARE TOO SIMILAR.

UM, COMMISSIONER DANBURG, AM I MISREMEMBERING THIS, OR IS THAT GROUP ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, ADEQUACY OF THE FINES THAT WE CAN LEVY? YES.

YES, IT IS.

THANKS.

SO I'M HAPPY TO, UM, UH, TABLE THIS, IF WE CAN.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE A DEADLINE FOR PRODUCING A KIND OF A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

I DON'T THINK, UH, ON THIS SPECIFIC ITEM, BUT SECRETARY LEARNER, GO AHEAD.

SO THIS IS ALSO THE CANDIDATES FORUMS, SO THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE UNTIL AFTER THE PRIMARY IS CORRECT.

THE CANDIDATE FORUM CANDIDATE.

I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY UPDATES ON THE CANDIDATE FORUMS, SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE IMMINENT PIPELINE.

DO YOU DOCTOR, BUT TYPICALLY WHAT IS, WHEN IS THAT TIME? IT'S AFTER THE PRIMARIES, RIGHT? YES.

YEAH.

OKAY.

UH, NOTHING COMING UP AT ALL.

IT WON'T BE UNTIL 22, RIGHT? RIGHT.

THIS IS, THIS IS CAROLINE WEBSTER.

SO THE DEADLINE FOR FOLKS TO FILE FOR A PLACE ON THE BALLOT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IS AUGUST.

I BELIEVE 22ND OF 2022.

AND THE CANDIDATE FORUMS WOULD TAKE PLACE.

UH, ONCE THAT APPLICATION PERIOD IS OVER.

SO, SO YOU HAVE ALMOST A YEAR, WELL ABOUT A YEAR, PROBABLY BEFORE THE FORUMS WOULD USUALLY BE HELD.

IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE CANDIDATE PACKET THAT IS PREPARED USUALLY HAS INFORMATION ABOUT THE CANDIDATE FORMS. AND SO THE CANDIDATE PACKET IS USUALLY READY, STARTING ABOUT A MONTH BEFORE THAT DEADLINE.

UH, SO, SO PROBABLY AROUND MID JULY, WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A DECISION FROM YOU ALL ABOUT THE CANDIDATE FORUMS OF 2022 CANDIDATE FORUMS USUALLY STARTED SEPTEMBER, UH, NOT VERY LONG AFTER THEY HAVE FILED, AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW MANY WE NEED, UH, TO FIT THEM IN BEFORE THE ELECTION.

AND WE DIDN'T HAVE SOME BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY CANDIDATES.

IF WE JUST HAVE ONE CANDIDATE POSITION, SOMETIMES WE DIDN'T THE MOST WE EVER HAD AT A CANDIDATE FORUM WAS 12 GOOD TIMES, UM, 12 CANDIDATE CANDIDATE FORUM.

UH, SO ONE, ONE QUESTION THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE FOR CAROLINE WEBSTER, UM, THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE, IS THAT THE ONE THING THAT I THINK MIGHT BE TIME SENSITIVE IS HAVING A CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE, UM, IN TIME FOR THE OPENING OF FILINGS, OUR FILINGS CURRENTLY OPEN FOR, UM, UH, POSITIONS ON THE CITY BALLOT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE FIRST DAY TO FILE THIS CAROLINE, THE FIRST DAY TO FILE AN APPLICATION FOR THE BALLOT IS 30 DAYS BEFORE THE FILING DEADLINE.

SO IT'S ON OR ABOUT JULY 22ND, 21ST, 22ND, 23RD, RIGHT AROUND THERE.

AND I KNOW THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE WILL BE BUSY WORKING ON THOSE CANDIDATE PACKETS BECAUSE THEY DO START GETTING REQUESTS FOR THEM, UM, AROUND THAT TIME.

BUT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHEN THAT'S WHEN THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS GOING TO BE BUSY WORKING ON IT IS IN, UH, KIND OF JUNE AND JULY, REALLY, ESPECIALLY JULY OF 2022.

SO, SO THAT'S REALLY THE TIMEFRAME.

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO, UM, FILE A PLACE FOR AN APPLICATION FOR PLACE ON THE BALLOT AT THIS POINT.

RIGHT.

AND SO THE, THE REAL QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS HOW, HOW QUICKLY WOULD WE NEED TO KIND OF REVIEW AND APPROVE A CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE BEFORE THE ELECTION? CAUSE, UM, IF SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE CANDIDATES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SETTING UP EXPLORATORY COMMITTEES OR, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN ANNOUNCING CANDIDACY AND APPOINTING TREASURERS, IT MIGHT BE WHO OF US TO HAVE AN UPDATED OR AT LEAST A REVIEWED CANDIDATE BROCHURE, UM, OR CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE RATHER.

SO IS THERE, YEAH.

IS THERE A TIME SENSITIVITY

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TO HAVING A CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE? UH, YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO WAIT TO START LOOKING AT IT UNTIL JULY OF NEXT YEAR.

I THINK THE CLERK'S OFFICE USUALLY WANTS TO GET THOSE THINGS IN HAND EARLIER, AND YES, THERE WILL BE INTEREST FROM CANDIDATES, AS YOU SAID, WHO ARE FORMING EXPLORATORY COMMITTEES, OR MAYBE THINKING ABOUT MAKING A RUN, ET CETERA.

UH, WE ARE ALSO RIGHT NOW, STILL IN A LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SO IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD STILL SEE SOME CHANGES TO THESE LAWS.

UM, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'D NEED TO LOOK AT RIGHT NOW ANYWAY, BUT I, I WOULD THINK THE WANT TO BE LOOKING AT IT, UH, MAKING ACTUAL CHANGES, I WOULD THINK AROUND SORT OF JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, SO THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE CAN GET THOSE PREPARED AND PRINTED AND, AND ON THEIR WEBSITE AND READY FOR CANDIDATES WHO ARE ASKING ABOUT THEM.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, UH, GREENBERG THEN MCCORMICK.

I JUST WONDER IF IT REALLY SHOULD BE SOONER BECAUSE THE FUNDRAISING IS ALLOWED A FULL YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION, RIGHT.

WHICH IS NOVEMBER, RIGHT.

AND IT IS NOW SEPTEMBER AND THERE ARE ALREADY EXPLORATORY COMMITTEES BEING FORMED.

AND HENCE MY QUESTION IN REFERENCE, UM, I MEAN PROBABLY THE EARLIER THE BETTER, MOST LIKELY, BUT I DON'T THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT REALLY DROP DEAD DEADLINES, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STILL IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SO THEORETICALLY SOMETHINGS COULD CHANGE.

I'M NOT SEEING REALLY BILLS FILED ON IT RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THE SOONER, THE BETTER ONCE WE KNOW FOR SURE THE LAWS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE, I THINK IS PROBABLY A GOOD APPROACH.

SURE.

WELL, IF, UH, IF WE HAD A CRYSTAL BALL OR A WINDOW INTO THE MIND OF THE GOVERNOR AND WHAT HE'S GOING TO ADD ON A SPECIAL SESSION CALL, THAT WOULD BE, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS THAT.

UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES, NOT WITHSTANDING, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO AT LEAST SET UP THE GROUP.

THAT'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT.

UM, SO THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING, UM, WE CAN MAYBE START DISCUSSING, UH, CHANGES WE MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO MAKE TO THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE.

SO SECRETARY LEARNER.

OKAY.

SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT WE CAN CHANGE.

IF IT'S THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE IS GOVERNED BY THE CODE OR THE FEC, RIGHT? LIKE THE EXPLORATORY COMMITTEES ARE SET UP BY THE FEDERAL LECTURE ELECTIONS COMMISSIONER.

YEAH.

WELL, SO THERE ARE, I MEAN, IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

THE, I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS, UH, BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD USE A WORKING GROUP THAT LOOKS AT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE.

CAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE SAME WORKING GROUP THAT EVENTUALLY IS GOING TO LEAD TO THE CANDIDATE FORUMS. BUT I MEAN, WHAT DOES THE FINANCE BRUSH IS THAT JUST COLLECTING THE INFORMATION THAT IS OUT THERE IN THE WORLD AND PUTTING IN A BROCHURE FOR OUR CANDIDATES SO THAT THEY KNOW WE'RE NOT MAKING OUR, OR IS IT ASKING US TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT IT'S JUST, IT, WOULD IT BE A BROCHURE THAT TELLS YOU WHAT THE LAW IS, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO, UH, MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT CORRECT.

CORRECT.

YEAH.

UH, WELL WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON CAMPING FINANCE, BUT WE DON'T CHANGE THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE CODE DIRECTLY.

UM, AND I THINK IN REVIEWING THE BROCHURE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, INTELLIGIBILITY, IS IT IN PLAIN ENGLISH? UM, ARE THERE ANY RECENT CHANGES TO CAMPAIGN FINANCE RULES, UM, THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE BROCHURE? OKAY.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UPDATING SOMETHING THAT EXISTS AND THEN, OKAY.

SO, AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS IS WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO GET THAT UPDATED BEFORE PEOPLE START GETTING IN MOTION, SO THAT IT'S A MODERNIZED, UPDATED BROCHURE.

YES.

OKAY.

THAT IS THAT OKAY? SURE.

I SAW COMMISSIONER DANBURG AND I THINK I SAW COMMISSIONER STANDS.

AND SO DAN BURKE FIRST, AND IF YOU, IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW, IS, IS THERE ANYTHING, WHEN SOMEONE IS CHOOSING TO RUN AS A CANDIDATE, UM, GET A CAMPAIGN TREASURER, ET CETERA.

AND WHEN THEY'RE CHOOSING TO PUT PROPOSITIONS ON THE BALLOT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THOSE CANDIDATES OR, OR TREASURERS HAVE TO SIGN SAYING I'VE BEEN GIVEN THIS I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THAT I WILL, YOU KNOW, ABIDE BY IT, ET CETERA, BECAUSE LESS WITH CANDIDATES, BUT VERY OFTEN WITH PROPOSITIONS, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO SAY, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE I WAS TAKING SOMEBODY'S ADVICE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.

AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T FORM NEGATIVE INTENT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

UH, WELL, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

WE'RE NOT GETTING OFF THE AGENDA HERE.

I MEAN, I CAN JUST QUICKLY RESPOND THAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO,

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THERE IS.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE USING THE CLERK'S SYSTEM, THERE'S AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT YOU KIND OF READ THE INSTRUCTIONS WITHIN THAT SYSTEM, BUT WE DON'T GIVE LEGAL ADVICE TO FOLKS OUTSIDE WHO ARE NOT CITY EMPLOYEES OR CITY OFFICIALS.

SO, AND WE DON'T GIVE CAMPAIGN ADVICE TO CITY OFFICIALS, UH, BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE ACTING LIKE CANDIDATES, NOT LIKE CITY OFFICIALS.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T GIVE THEM ANY LEGAL ADVICE.

WE'LL REFER THEM TO THEIR OWN ATTORNEY OR TO THE TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSION.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER STANTON.

YES.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY THE ITEM ONE C IT IS TO REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE.

CORRECT.

BUT WITHIN THIS BROCHURE COULD BE RECOMMENDATION TO REVISE THE DOLLAR LIMITS.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO THEY SEPARATE SEPARATE OH YES.

SO IT IT'S, UH, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND AND, UH, I'M REALIZING THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME GRAMMATICAL SYNTACTICAL AMBIGUITY, BUT IT WOULD BE A WORKING GROUP THAT WOULD DO TWO THINGS.

ONE IS TO REVIEW THE DOLLAR LIMITS AND ANOTHER IS TO DO REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING IS WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS NECESSARY TO HAVE A WORKING GROUP LOOK AT THE DOLLAR LIMITS, GIVEN THE THINGS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.

AND SO NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE WORKING GROUP BEING TASKED TO REVIEW THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE.

UM, SO SECRETARY LEARNER, YES.

OKAY.

AND SO CAROLINE WEBSTER, THE, THE, WHAT I HEARD OUR TASK IS, IS TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS PEGGED TO THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

BUT WE TAKE, WE HAVE A ROLE TO SORT OF LIKE SAY YES OR NO, RIGHT? LIKE THAT.

YES OR NO.

YEAH.

THIS IS CAROLINE.

SO YOU HAVE A ROLE IN SAYING, YES, THIS NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.

AND THIS IS WHAT, BASED ON THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, WE RECOMMEND A NEW CAMPAIGN FINANCE LIMITS ARE.

AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE BROCHURE, THERE ARE VARIOUS THINGS IN THE BROCHURE, BUT IT WILL INCLUDE, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LIMITS.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

OKAY.

WELL, I CHAIR SOVEREIGN.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE, I THINK, A SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE COMMITTEE TO DO BOTH, BUT THAT'S JUST PERSONALLY I FEEL THAT WAY.

SURE.

LEN THAT IS THAT I THINK THAT'S OR THE EXISTING WORKING GROUP.

I JUST MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE A NEED FOR TWO SEPARATE ONES, UNLESS IT'S EASIER BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST MORE DISTINCT.

RIGHT.

UM, I AM PERSONALLY FINE EITHER WAY.

UH, IF WE WANT TO HAVE, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE A DEDICATED GROUP OF COMMISSIONERS LOOK AT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE.

UM, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE, THE ONE THAT WE'VE HAD, AND THAT WE'VE BEEN RELYING ON, I HAVE, I HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT WAYS THAT MIGHT BE, UH, UPDATED, UH, FOR AESTHETIC AND CLARITY PURPOSES.

UM, SO I THINK THAT, UH, UH, DISTINCT WORKING GROUP LOOKING AT THAT WOULD BE USEFUL.

AND PART OF MY THINKING IN CRAFTING THIS AGENDA ITEM WAS THAT IF THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE AND GETTING UP TO SPEED ON CAMPAIGN FINANCE RULES, LIMITS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY MIGHT AS WELL LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

BUT THEY'RE BEING KIND OF THE OTHER THING THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A WORKING GROUP.

THAT'S LOOKING AT THE KIND OF BIG PICTURE, WHAT'S THIS COMMISSION DOING WHAT IT'S OUR JURISDICTION, UM, SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES POTENTIALLY TO CODE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO RECOMMEND.

UM, SO IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO ALSO KIND OF CONDUCT THAT REVIEW THERE.

UM, SO I THINK, UH, IF I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, IF ANYONE HAS ONE EITHER TO CREATE THE WORKING GROUP AND TO HAVE IT BE ON BOTH OF THESE TOPICS, THE REVIEWING THE DOLLAR LIMITS AND THE BROCHURE, AND WE CAN KIND OF PROCEED WITH DISCUSSION VOTE ON THAT MOTION.

SO COMMISSIONER DAN BERG, I MOVED THAT WE, UH, HAVE THE WORKING GROUP, UH, AS IT EXISTS, LOOK AT THOSE TWO THINGS.

UM, AND I THINK THAT SINCE THIS IS A, UH, RECENT RE UPPING OF THAT WORKING GROUP, WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO BE IN THAT WORKING GROUP TO S LOVE IT, LET US KNOW.

SURE.

SO THAT IS THE MOTION.

I SECOND THAT MOTION SECONDED

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BY COMMISSIONER STANTON.

SO DISCUSSION, MAY I ASK A QUESTION ON THE MOST YES.

COMMISSIONER ELEVEN'S, UM, DAN, YOU REFERRED TO THE WORKING GROUP AS IT EXISTS.

IS THERE A WORKING GROUP THAT EXISTS THAT HAS MEMBERS? SO THE WORKING GROUP? YES.

SO ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, I'M SORRY.

SO NOT ON THE NARROW ISSUE OF DOLLAR LIMITS.

THE WORKING GROUP THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS IS THE, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER OLD BUSINESS ONCE WE GET TO IT.

AND IT'S THE KIND OF BIG PICTURE, LIKE LOOKING AT THE SUBSTANTIVE CODE THAT WE HAVE JURISDICTION OVER, UM, BECAUSE INTERPRET, YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT WORK IN GROUPS CHARGED TO INCLUDE THE SUBSTANTIVE DOLLAR LIMITS THAT ARE EXIST IN TWO DASH TWO OF THE CITY CODE.

UM, SO THAT IS HOW I'M INTERPRETING COMMISSIONER DAN BRIGGS MOTION.

IS THAT THE EXISTING ALREADY EXISTING WORKING GROUP.

THAT'S LOOKING AT THESE BIG PICTURE QUESTIONS LISTED UNDER OLD BUSINESS.

UH, C WOULD YOU JUST, WOULD YOU JUST COME OUT AND EXPLICITLY NAME IT? CAUSE THERE ARE TWO EXISTING WORKING GROUPS.

UH, THIS IS THE WORKING GROUP ON SANCTIONS PROCEDURES AND OTHER ISSUES.

THANK YOU, RICHES.

UH, CHAIRMAN SOVEREIGN HAS BEEN VICE CHARO HEARING AND COMMISSIONERS GREENBERG, LERNER AND STANTON.

I THINK I MIGHT UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE TWO SEPARATE WORKING GROUPS WERE COMBINED INTO ONE.

YES, THERE THERE'S A, THERE IS ANOTHER WORKING GROUP ON RACE EQUITY AND IDENTITY, SO THEY DID NOT.

SO THERE'S STILL A SEPARATE, DISTINCT WORKING GROUP ON RACE, IDENTITY AND EQUITY.

THERE WERE TWO WORKING GROUPS THAT WERE VERY SIMILAR PRIOR TO THAT.

THIS IS MAYBE WHY IT'S ADVISABLE TO JUST HAVE A ONE WORKING GROUP BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN POPULATED WITH WORKING GROUPS LATELY.

SO THERE WERE FORMERLY TWO WORKING GROUPS.

ONE WAS ON THE SUBSTANCE OF THE CITY CODE THAT WE HAVE JURISDICTION OVER.

UM, AND IT INCLUDED THINGS LIKE THE SANCTIONS WE CAN LEVY.

THEN THERE WAS A SEPARATE WORKING GROUP THAT WAS THE PROCEDURES, BYLAWS, UM, HOW THE COMMISSION OPERATES, BUT ALSO TALKED ABOUT SANCTIONS.

THERE WAS OVERLAP.

SO THOSE WERE MERGED INTO ONE WORKING GROUP.

SUBSEQUENTLY THERE WAS ANOTHER WORKING GROUP ESTABLISHED ON RACE THAT IDENTITY AND EQUITY GOT THAT NAME WRONG.

SO THIS WAS TO THINK OF MAYBE ANOTHER WORKING GROUP COMMISSIONER DAN BURKE SUGGESTION IS THAT WE JUST PUT IT WITH THE EXISTING ONE.

THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD OR FOURTH WORKING GROUP WE'VE HAD INVOLVED WITH THIS OVER THE YEARS.

IT STARTED OUT YEARS AGO WITH JUST TWO OF US.

AND WE REPORTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE AND THEN THERE WAS LIKE THREE OR FOUR OF US.

AND ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONE NOW, HERE IS ANOTHER ONE NOW.

SO OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD, WE'VE DONE IT ALL ONE WAY.

SURE.

YEAH.

COMMISSIONER DANBURG IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY.

UH, WHEN WE STARTED AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE TWO WORK IN GROUPS THAT GOT COMBINED, IT WAS BECAUSE A NUMBER OF NEW COMMISSIONERS WERE NOT UNDERSTANDING AND WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, UH, SOME OF THE HISTORY, NOT EXACTLY PRECEDENT BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT, BUT, BUT BASICALLY HOW IT'S WORKED AND WHY IT HAS WORKED THOSE WAYS.

UM, AND TO THAT EFFECT, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT, UM, PRESUMABLY VICE-CHAIR HEARING WOULD NOT BE STILL ON THERE.

AND SO IF SOMEONE WANTED TO JOIN, IT WOULD NOT BE A CORPORAL THAT'S.

RIGHT.

UM, SO THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT TOO, THAT WE CAN, UH, KIND OF RECONSIDER THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT WORKING GROUP WITH THE VACANCY, UH, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG AND THEN SECRETARY LEARNER.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SECRETARY LERNER RESIGNED FROM THAT WORKING GROUP AND THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER TEND TO YUCA IS ON THE, UM, YES, THAT I THINK IS, UH, A SLIGHT TYPO.

OKAY.

AND THAT WAS AN ADJUSTMENT.

I THINK WE MADE IT THE LAST MEETING.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN SECONDED IS STILL BEFORE US, UM, THINK I'M GOING TO DO A QUICK ROLL CALL UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON CREATING AN ASSIGNING TO THIS WORKING GROUP, THESE TWO THINGS, THE DOLLAR LIMITS AND REVIEWING THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BROCHURE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WITH THAT, GOING DOWN THE ROLL CALL CHEER.

SO ON VOTES.

AYE.

SECRETARY LEARNER.

AYE.

SECRETARY LEARNER VOTES.

AYE.

SORRY.

LOST MY, HERE WE GO.

COMMISSIONER DANBURG YES.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

NO, NO, I'M STAYING JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT WORKING GROUP HAS ALREADY GOT A LOT TO DO, BUT IF EVERYBODY ELSE VOTES YES, THEN, THEN WILL DO IT.

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OKAY.

SO COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, ABSTAINS COMMISSIONER, KALE COMMISSIONER, KALE VOTES.

AYE.

COMMISSIONER LEVIN'S AYE, MR. LEVIN'S AYE.

COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK STANTON OR YES.

THANK YOU.

AND COMMISSIONER .

HI.

SO WITH ONE ABSTENTION AND THE REMAINING, I'S GOING TO DO A QUICK COUNT 1, 2, 3, 8 EYES, AND WHAT ABSTENTION IT PASSES.

OKAY.

THEN

[1.d. The Candidate Forum Working Group for candidate forums for the 2022 city council elections.]

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM ONE D AND THAT IS TO CONSIDER WHETHER MEMBERS WANT TO BE PART OF THE CANDIDATE FORUM, WORKING GROUP, SPEAKING OF WORKING GROUPS.

UM, SO COMMISSIONERS MCCORMICK AND CALEB SERVED ON IT SINCE 2019.

AND IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN, OR IF THERE WOULD LIKE TO BE A RESHUFFLING UPSET WORKING GROUP, CAN I, CAN YOU GUYS, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE JOB TO BE DONE THIS? UM, SO IT'S PRETTY LIGHT WORKLOAD.

I WILL SAY THAT FIRST WE MEET WITH CITY COUNTY, UH, CITY STAFF TO LOOK OVER POTENTIAL DATES AND LOCATIONS TO HOST THE CITY COUNCIL FORUMS. AND THEN WE WORK, SEND THE DRAFT BACK AND FORTH TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS GOOD THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO WORK OUT AND TO TROUBLESHOOT ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES.

DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? DONNA BETH.

YEAH.

AND THEN WE ALSO ENCOURAGE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION TO SHOW UP.

YES.

AND THEIR FORUMS ARE ANY THAT THEY WANT TO, UM, DID.

AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE A FEW LITTLE ISSUES TOO, THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS ON THE FORUMS. THERE WAS ONE THAT PREDATES ME AND I'M KIND OF DRAWING A BLANK ON IT.

SOMETHING LIKE THE ONE OVER, UM, AT THE EAST AUSTIN CENTER, THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME KIND OF SNAFU, BUT I THINK THEY RESOLVED, IT WAS A REQUEST THAT, UH, NOT FROM ANY OF THE CANDIDATES AND NOT, IT WAS JUST A REQUEST FROM SOMEBODY ELSE TOO, SHALL NOT BE NAMED THAT WE HAVE, UH, SECURITY POLICE OF WHICH THEY CAME.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE REALLY WASN'T A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT COME UP FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO ADDRESS.

AND IT DOES THAT THE CITY DOES PUBLISH THE INFORMATION IN THE, IS IT IN THE UTILITY BILL DOORBELL THAT THEY PUT THE INFORMATION IN THE UTILITY? YES.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE THE FIRST THING THAT CAME OUT AND THE UTILITY BILL WAS WRONG AND THAT'S THE SNAFU I WAS THINKING, RIGHT.

PEOPLE SHOWED UP INCLUDING ME.

AND THERE WASN'T A, THERE WASN'T A FORM THAT NIGHT.

RIGHT.

BUT THEY GOT THAT IRONED OUT.

I THINK WE REALLY HIT HOME WITH HOW IMPORTANT THAT WAS.

AND SO ANYWAY, WE PROOF IT BEFORE IT GOES OUT IN THE CITY UTILITY BILL, MAKE SURE IT ALL LOOKS GOOD.

YEAH.

SECRETARY LEARNING THE MOTHER, HAPPY TO VOLUNTEER TO WORK ON THAT.

OKAY.

SO WORKING GROUP NOW OF THREE.

YEAH.

USUALLY IT'S JUST THE LEAGUE, RIGHT? THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS.

YEAH.

WE WORKED WITH THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS.

THEY PRETTY MUCH RUN THE SHOW.

THEY RUN THE FORUMS. SO THIS IS, I THINK COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK, THIS WORKING GROUP HAS TRIPLED IN THE PAST.

IN SO MANY YEARS.

IT WAS A CONVENIENCE, A WORKING GROUP OF ONE FOR A LOT OF YEARS, FOR A LONG TIME.

THIS WAS A WORKING GROUP OF ONE.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE ADDITIONS.

I'M HAPPY TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP IF IT'S NEEDED.

IF NOT, IT'S FUN.

IT'S NICE TO YOU GO AND SEE AND SEE WHO THE CANDIDATES ARE, WHAT THEY SAY, WHAT THE AUDIENCE IS.

AND WE HAVE HAD TO HAVE SOME, A SERGEANT AT ARMS DEALS, BUT THE LEGAL WOMEN VOTERS ARE VERY GOOD ABOUT THAT.

THEY RUN A TIGHT SHIP.

I DON'T, I ASSUMED IF YOU, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THEM, THEN BY ALL MEANS, OKAY, GREAT.

THEN WE'LL MAKE A NOTE.

I DON'T THINK WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION TO ADD SOMEONE TO A WORKING GROUP.

YOU JUST KIND OF SIGN UP AND DROP OUT AS YOU, NOBODY ELSE WANTED TO DO IT FOR YEARS.

BUT ERIC CAME ALONG AND THEN WAS GETTING POPULAR.

WELL, WHEN WE WENT TO TEN ONE, IT GOT TO BE MORE

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INVOLVED WITH, UH, MORE LOCATIONS AND MORE CANDIDATES.

SO THIS ONE, WE HAD 12 AT ONE MONTOPOLIS.

THAT'S WHERE IT WAS OVER IN EAST AUSTIN, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK.

YOU SEEM TO BE THE DEFACTO CHAIR OF THIS WORKING GROUP.

UM, SO I'LL JUST STATE MY WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE.

IF IT'S NEEDED.

IF MORE PEOPLE, IT BECOMES TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN, I'M HAPPY TO, TO, WE REALLY NEED IS FOR PEOPLE TO SHOW UP THAT ARE COMMISSIONED MEMBERS AT THAT YOU GUYS SHOW UP.

WE REALLY LIKED FOR YOU TO SHOW UP AT YOUR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS POSSESSION, BUT SOME OF US GO TO ALL OF THEM.

OKAY.

YEAH.

I CAN HANDLE THAT.

YEAH.

IS THAT, UM, OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON, UH, THIS ITEM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT.

YES.

GO AHEAD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OR REQUEST THAT WHEN THAT DOES COME UP, I'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN MY DISTRICT AT LEAST IF ANYTHING.

SO IF YOU GUYS COULD JUST REMIND ME, I'D LIKE TO REPRESENT, BE A REPRESENTATION OF A DISTRICT TO YOU.

YEAH.

WE'LL PUT OUT A SCHEDULE AND AT THE MEETING AND THEN THERE'S A SCHEDULE AND THE, UH, ELECTRIC BILL.

OKAY.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU.

SO YES, THE MORE THE MERRIER.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

COOL.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT,

[2.a. Draft Op-Ed by the Working Group on Race, Identity, and Equity]

WE'RE GOING TO GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS OUR OLD BUSINESS STARTING WITH TWO EIGHT, THE DRAFT UP ED BY THE WORKING GROUP ON RACE, IDENTITY AND EQUITY.

UM, THAT BEING THE WORKING GROUP THAT IS COMMISSIONER KALE, COMMISSIONER, LAURIE, WHO'S ABSENT TODAY AND MYSELF, AND I WILL APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING NOT BEEN TERRIBLY ACTIVE IN THE WORKING GROUP.

THAT'S BEEN A TERRIBLY BUSY TIME.

I CAN ONLY IMAGINE, BUT, UM, I WILL GIVE YOU ALL A STATUS.

I HAVE A DRAFT OUT WITH THE WORKING GROUP AND ALSO LYNN CARTER HAS GONE OVER IT AND MADE SOME UPDATES TO IT.

I INCORPORATED ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS FROM OUR LAST MEETING, BUT I STILL ENVISION, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DRAFT, YOU'LL HAVE MORE COMMENTS IN THE MEANTIME.

UM, I, UH, COMPILED A LIST OF AGAIN, USING YOUR INPUT OF MEDIA OUTLETS AND WAYS TO GET THE WORD OUT, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE CITY BUSES, UTILITY BILLS, ET CETERA, COMPILED A SPREADSHEET THAT I SENT TO LYNN.

SHE FORWARDED IT TO CITY STAFF AND THEY'RE REVIEWING IT FOR US.

AND, UM, WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR GOAL REALLY IS TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT WHAT WE DO TO AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS POSSIBLE.

SO IT'S ALL IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW.

YEAH.

GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LEADING THE CHARGE ON THAT TOO.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UM, ANY, ANY COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS, DISCUSSION? I WELCOME INPUT ON, I DID MY BEST TO GATHER INFORMATION ON PRESS OUTLETS IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND TOWN.

I WAS GOING INTO GROCERY STORES AND OTHER PLACES AND PICKING UP RANDOM NEWSPAPERS EVERYWHERE I WENT.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ONE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY THAT I MIGHT'VE MISSED, WHICH IS TOTALLY POSSIBLE, I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU.

SURE.

AND ANOTHER, AND ANOTHER THING THAT JUST OCCURRED TO ME ARE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD NEWSLETTERS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I DUNNO, CIRCULATIONS BACK A BIG PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OWN NEWSLETTERS.

SO THAT'S AN OBVIOUS ONE.

UM, UH, THINGS LIKE, WELL, CITY STAFF IS WEIGHING THIS AND WHAT THE VARIOUS COSTS ARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND OBVIOUS WHEN THAT DONNA BETH TOLD ME IS THE CITY UTILITY BILL.

SO, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VETTING THAT FOR US AND HAVE HAD A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK.

THAT IS AWESOME.

WELL, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

AND COMMISSIONER STANTON, GO AHEAD.

YES.

I CAN'T RECALL IF THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE, BUT IS THERE A CONSIDERATION OF HAVING THIS, UM, OP ED PIECE TRANSLATED INTO AT LEAST SPANISH AND PERHAPS CHINESE OR VIETNAMESE AS THE THIRD LANGUAGE? YES.

YES.

THAT IS IN OUR NOTES.

THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, BUT RIGHT.

UM, ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU.

I CAN FORWARD YOU THIS STUFF FROM ALLEN.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

WE HAVE LOTS OF STUFF.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS?

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CAUSE WE WILL JUST MOVE RIGHT ALONG OTHERWISE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO

[2.b. Draft Commission Statement on Equity, Access, and the Need for Reform by the Working Group on Race, Identity, and Equity]

THEN ITEM TWO, B IS THE, LET'S SEE DRAFT COMMISSION STATEMENT ON EQUITY ACCESS AND THE NEED FOR A FORM.

UM, SO THIS IS YOU, THIS IS COMMISSIONER LAURIE'S KIND OF PROJECT.

I THINK WE'LL TABLE THIS, UM, AGAIN, UNLESS, UH, COMMISSIONER KALE, YOU HAVE AN UPDATE.

I KNOW THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING COMMISSIONER LAURIE HERSELF WAS WORKING ON AND KIND OF CIRCULATED AMONG US BEFORE, BUT UM, SHE SENT OUT A DRAFT TO, TO US.

RIGHT.

AND, UM, QUITE WELL-WRITTEN.

UM, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD WHETHER SHE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEXT FOR HER ON THAT AHEAD.

WELL, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW, BUT SHE HAS A NEW TAKEN ON A NEW JOB I'M NOT ABLE TO THAT'S.

YES.

SO, UH, UH, I GUESS A RELATED UPDATES, SINCE WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE WORKING GROUP, UM, I WANT TO STAY ON TOPIC WITH THE AGENDA, BUT