Sep 28, 2021 Parks and Recreation Board

BOARD MEMBER, BERNARD BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR, PRESIDENT AND BOARD MEMBER COTTON SEIBEL PRESENT.

IS CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

AND I BELIEVE BOARD MEMBER DECARLO WILL BE JOINING US A LITTLE BIT LATE.

SO, UM, OKAY.

SO THE FIRST ITEM

[CITIZEN COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

SO I'M ASSUMING VICE-CHAIR THAT YOU HAVE SOME, ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

WE ONLY HAVE A ONE INDIVIDUAL FOR GENERAL ASSISTANCE COMMUNICATION, AND THAT IS KEVIN REYNA'S WITH THE AUSTIN ROWING CLUB STURDINESS.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

HI, KEVIN RAINEY IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE AUSTIN ROWING CLUB.

I FEEL LIKE I'M GOING TO CONCERT WITH THE FEEDBACK, BUT THERE YOU GO.

SO FIRST OF ALL, AS I TOLD KIMBERLY, IT'S GREAT TO SEE EVERYBODY IN PERSON HAVING A DONE ANYTHING REMOTE FOR A WHILE.

I JUST WANTED TO GET A COUPLE UPDATES AND NOT WITHSTANDING THE IMPACT COVID-19 HAS HAD ON OUR NORMAL REGULAR PROGRAMMING IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO THOSE IN NEED.

WE DID HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENT LAST WEEK WITH THE REGIONAL VETERANS ASSOCIATION TO HOST A HEALTH AND WELLNESS FAIR AT THE BOATHOUSE ACROSS A BROAD RANGE OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES FOR VETS AND THEIR FAMILIES AS PART OF THEIR SUICIDE PREVENTION MONTH INITIATIVE.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT WITH THE BA, UM, EARLIER THAN A MONTH, WE ACTUALLY LAUNCHED A NEW INITIATIVE FOR SPINAL CORD REHAB OR WORKING WITH OCCUPATIONAL THERAPISTS.

AND, UH, IT, IT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED IN TERMS OF GETTING PEOPLE IN THAT TUFTS SITUATION OUTSIDE IN NATURE, OUT IN THE WATERS, UH, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE'RE LAUNCHING OUR 37TH ANNUAL REGATA OF THE HEAD OF THE COLORADO AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.

SO IT'S 37 YEARS.

IT'S PRETTY LONG ATHLETIC IT'S OFF THE FESTIVAL BEACH.

SO THAT'S JUST A QUICKIE FYI.

UM, AND ALSO I'M VERY PROUD THOUGH.

I'M A LITTLE PREMATURE KIMBERLY OF SAYING THAT FINAL RESULTS IN THE PARK CONCESSION REPORT, BUT THE BOATHOUSE CROSSED 2 MILLION IN GROSS REVENUE FOR THE FIRST TIME.

UH, AND THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT.

AND SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT FACT AND UM, WE THINK WE'LL BE THE SECOND EVER CONCESSION TO DO THAT.

SO WE'RE THAT WE HAVE GREAT STAFF, GREAT BUSINESSES.

THEY'RE GREAT INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN, UH, AS I MENTIONED IN THE LAST TIME I SPOKE TO ALL OF YOU, WE'RE CELEBRATING OUR 40TH YEAR.

SO THAT'S A, AN AMAZING MILESTONE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT 40 YEARS.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTION ON CERTAINTY AS TO THE FUTURE OF THE BOATHOUSE, RELATIVE TO PROJECT CONNECT.

I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH KIMBERLY AND THE OTHER, UH, AGENCIES INVOLVED TO ENSURE WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UH, THERE'S NO MORE GENERAL CITIZENS COMMUNICATION.

THE NEXT ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE, UM, THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING THAT WE HAD ON SEPTEMBER 14TH.

[A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? AND IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL JUST BOARD TAYLOR AS AN SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND BOARD TAYLOR AND THE SECOND FROM BOARD OR SPOUSE.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A QUICK CHANGE TO THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT, UM, TOOK THE TIME TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE AT THIS TIME OF DAY TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH,

[B.4. Presentation, discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation to the Parks and Recreation Director supporting the naming of the ballfield at Oswald A.B. Cantu/Pan American Neighborhood Park in honor of Rosalio “Rabbit” Duran.]

THE BALL FIELD AT ALL SWELLED AB CAN TO PAN-AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AND THEY HAVE PUT FORTH A, UM, APPLICATION TO NAME IT AFTER IT ROZALIA RABBIT DURAN.

I WILL.

AND WE WILL GO AHEAD.

I KNOW THAT THAT WON'T TAKE THAT MUCH TIME AND WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THEM TAKING THE TIME TO COME AND SHARE THAT WITH US.

SO I DO THINK THAT WE, UM, WE'LL HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT.

AND I, UM, I THANK YOU FOR COMING.

I, I DO WANT TO SAY REALLY

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QUICKLY AND, UH, DIRECTOR MCNEELY CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, BUT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER APPLICANT THAT IS INTERESTED IN, UM, HAVING THAT BLOFELD NAMED AFTER ANOTHER PERSON.

SO WE NEED TO BEAR THAT IN MIND SO WE CAN BE FAIR AND OUR DECISION.

SO, UM, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK BEFORE? DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH CITIZEN COMMUNICATION FOR THIS ITEM? YOU CAN PROCEED.

SO THIS IS FOR AGENDA BEFORE THAT'S BEEN MOVED FORWARD.

UH, WHAT WE HAVE IS CITIZENS' COMMUNICATION LEADING TO WELL RELATED TO THAT AGENDA ITEM.

SO WE'RE ALL OUT OF A LITTLE RUSTY RIGHT NOW.

SO THE FIRST SPEAKER IS LISA MORA, JR.

I HAVE IT NUMBERED AS FAR AS THE PREFERENCE.

I HAVE IT NUMBERED ON HERE UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY WANTS TO CHANGE AS FAR AS THE ORDER, BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE A SENATOR GONZALO, BARRY ANTOS GO FIRST.

MAY IT PLEASE? THE BOARD, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS GONZALO BARRIENTOS.

I'M APPEARING IN FAVOR OF NAMING THE PAN-AM BALLPARK, THE RABBIT DURAN FIELD.

UH, BUT MAY I YIELD TO THE DURAN FAMILY AND THE COMMUNITY FIRST AND, UH, ALLOW ME TO CLOSE AND I WON'T FEEL THE BUSTER.

THANK YOU, SENATOR.

AND SO, UH, OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE ORDER THAT YOU ALL HAD, I HAD LISA MOORE, A JUNIOR, BUT IS THERE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? ALL RIGHT, GREAT.

UH, YES.

I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME.

AND, UH, JUST TO SAY, I'M A LIFETIME FRIEND OF RABBIT, UH, DURAN.

UH, I WORKED FOR ONE OF THE BEER COMPANIES AND, UH, FOR 40 YEARS I SERVED HIS ESTABLISHMENT.

AND THROUGHOUT THOSE YEARS RABBIT, IT'S NOT JUST TO HELP THE BALLPLAYERS AT THE SOFTBALL PARKS.

THERE HAD PAN-AM.

HE WAS ALSO VERY INVOLVED IN THE CHURCH COMMUNITIES, WHICH WAS CRYSTAL RAY.

AND WHILE THE LUPA, UH, CHURCHES, UH, WHILE THE LOOP, HE WOULD, UH, GET HIS BEER LICENSE, PURCHASE THE BEER HIMSELF, GET PEOPLE TO MAN AND SELL THE BEER, TURN AROUND AND DONATE ALL THE MONEY TO THE CHURCH TO HELP THE CHURCH, CRISTO REY.

HE WOULD ASK US BEER COMPANIES TO DONATE TURKEYS AND THE CHURCH WOULD GET THE FIXINGS FOR THE CHURCH.

BUT RABBIT WOULD GATHER YEAR AFTER YEAR HUNDREDS OF TURKEYS FOR NEEDY FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY.

ANYBODY THAT HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, UH, MEDICAL, UH, EXPENSES, THEY COULDN'T COVER.

WE'RE ALWAYS WELCOME AT RABBITS TO COME HAVE A BENEFIT, SELL PLATES OF FOOD TO THE COMMUNITY AND RABBIT.

A LOT OF TIMES WOULD COOK ALL THE MEAT HIMSELF AND EVERY, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILIES WOULD PUT, PUT THE PLATES TOGETHER, SELL THE FOOD, AND HE NEVER EVER CHARGED ANYBODY TO USE THIS ESTABLISHMENT.

AND IT WAS THE PLACE TO GO TO IF YOU NEEDED ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE RABBIT WAS THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, AND IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT BALL TEAM IT WAS.

THEY WERE ALL WELCOME TO, TO USE, UH, THE END OF THE ESTABLISHMENT TO HAVE BENEFITS OR CELEBRATIONS AFTER, YOU KNOW, AFTER TOURNAMENTS AND STUFF.

AND HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOWN THERE AT THE FIELDS THEMSELVES TOO.

SO, UH, I REALLY THINK HE DESERVES TO HAVE HIS NAME ON THEM ON THAT BALL FIELD.

HE HAD FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE FARRELL, CATHERINE FARRELL.

THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS ANGELA DURAN.

YEAH, WE'RE SISTERS.

AND HE PLAYED IN THOSE FIELDS, UM, HE, UM, DONATED HIS, ONCE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOU.

MY NAME IS CATHERINE FARRELL.

I'M ALSO LEO DAUGHTER.

UM, MY SISTER'S HERE WITH ME.

UM, OUR FATHER GREW UP, UM, ANY STARSTONE.

HE GREW UP RIGHT NEAR THE BALL FIELDS.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, HE WENT TO SCHOOL AT AND HE PLAYED THERE AND HE PLAYED SPORTS IS AS A YOUTH.

HE WAS, UM, HE WAS LITTLE, BUT HE WAS FAST AS A RABBIT.

SO THAT'S HOW HE GOT HIS NICKNAME RABBITS.

UM, HE JOINED THE NAVY AF NAVY AFTER GRADUATION, AND HE SERVED ON THE USS ORISKANY.

HE WAS THERE FOR THE KOREAN WAR.

HE WORKED HIS WHOLE LIFE.

IT CAME BACK TO EAST AUSTIN, HIS FAMILY OWNED A BUSINESS THERE.

HE WORKED THERE, UM, AND THEN OPENED HIS OWN BUSINESS.

ON THE EAST SIDE.

HE IS SERVED THE COMMUNITY, UM, SINCE HE WAS A LITTLE BOY

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HE OPENED HIS, UM, BUSINESS THERE AT THE CORNER OF V6 IN CHICAGO.

HE HAD FUNDRAISERS, HE DONATED HIS SPACE FOR POLITICAL LEADERS TO COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HAVE THEIR, UM, AND YOU KNOW, DO, DO THEIR POLITICAL FUNDRAISING THERE.

HE COOKED AND HE SERVED THE COMMUNITY.

HE WOULD GO DOWN TO THE GROCERY STORE AND JUST BUY FOOD AND TAKE IT TO PEOPLE THAT HE KNEW WAS, WERE STRUGGLING.

SO HE WAS JUST ALWAYS, ALWAYS SERVING THE FAMILY, BUT HE LOVES SPORTS.

AND SO HE DONATED, I MEAN, HE SPONSORED SO MANY SOFTBALL TEAMS AND BASEBALL TEAMS AND LITTLE LEAGUE TEAMS. WE USED TO JOIN HIM TO GO PICK UP ALL THE JERSEYS.

SO, UM, BEN, AS YOU HEARD FROM LIZA MODA, UH, HE, HE DID A LOT OF WORK WITH THE CHURCHES, DONATED HIS TIME, DONATED MONEY, DONATED FOOD, UM, AND VISITED EVERYBODY.

UM, IF THEY WERE IN NEED OF HELP, HE HELD FUNDRAISERS FOR THEM.

THEN HE WOULD GO SEE THEIR LOVED ONES IN THE HOSPITAL.

AND THEN IF YOU KNOW, APPLICABLE, I MEAN, HE MUST HAVE GONE TO HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FUNERALS.

SO I THINK HE TOUCHED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AS YOU WILL SEE BY ALL OF THE, UM, COMMUNITY SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM, UM, SIGNATURES AND PETITIONS.

UM, AND I JUST THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL WAY TO HONOR HIM, BUT I WOULD LIKE MY SISTER TO KIND OF CLOSE UP FOR US IF THAT'S OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, ANGELA DURAN.

HI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AS WELL.

YEAH, JUST TO PICK UP WHERE MY SISTER LEFT OFF RABBIT LEFT US LAST YEAR.

UM, IN AUGUST IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TIME AND IT HIT NOT JUST OUR FAMILY, BUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, UM, REALLY HARD.

AND IN MAY HIS FRIENDS RECOMMENDED THIS TO US.

IT WASN'T OUR IDEA.

UM, BUT OF COURSE WE LOVED IT.

WE WERE DOING A MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR HIM AT THE, UM, BUSINESS THAT ON THE PROPERTY THAT HE OWNED FOR SO MANY YEARS, WELL, WE STILL OWN THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT BUSINESS NOW.

UM, AND SO OF COURSE WE WERE SUPER EXCITED AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE BEEN GATHERING SUPPORT OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

UH, WE'VE HAD PETITIONS IN BUSINESSES AND, UM, WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, AT LEAST ONE THAT WE KNOW OF, FOR SURE, AS WELL AS DINA CANTU, WHO IS ON THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE PARK ITSELF.

UM, AND THE DAUGHTER OF US WALDO AB CANTU WHO THE RECREATION CENTER IS NAMED AFTER.

AND, UM, ALSO MR. AL DUARTE, WHO IS THE FORMER MUSIC COMMISSIONER OF DISTRICT THREE IS HERE WITH US TODAY.

AND, UM, OF COURSE YOU ALREADY HEARD FROM SENATOR BARIANN TEST.

YOU'LL HEAR FROM HIM AGAIN AS WELL.

SO JUST, UH, JUST A FEW OF THOSE, BUT, UM, WE REALLY THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL WAY TO HONOR HIM.

WE MISS HIM AND, AND, UH, IT WILL BE JUST A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR US TO GATHER AND HONOR HIS MEMORY AND EAST AUSTIN WAS JUST HIS HOME.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO HIM AND WE LISTEN, ANYTIME WE GO ANYWHERE, WE ARE REGALED WITH STORIES OF PEOPLE THAT RABBIT TOUCHED AND MAYBE IT WAS JUST ATTENDING THEIR FUNERAL BECAUSE HE NEVER MISSED A FUNERAL.

IF HE EVEN MET YOU ONCE, HE WOULD PROBABLY GO TO YOUR FUNERAL.

HE, UM, CONNECTED PEOPLE.

HE WAS A MAN OF RIGHT ACTION.

ANYTIME HE HEARD THAT THERE WAS A NEED, HE DIDN'T JUST SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

HE GOT ON HIS PHONE AND HE CALLED PEOPLE AND HE SAID, HEY, THERE'S A NEED HERE.

CAN YOU HELP FILL IT? AND EVERYONE WOULD RALLY TO WHATEVER THAT PAUSE WAS.

UM, HE DID THIS FOR HIS WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE.

AND, UH, WE, WE THINK HE'S SUPER DESERVING ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT HE WAS VERY, HAD A GREAT LOVE OF SPORTS AND, UM, SUPPORTED ALL OF THE SPORTS TEAMS THAT HE DID OVER THE YEARS.

HE ALSO WENT TO THE GAMES.

AND IF YOU HAD A CHILD THAT PLAYED SPORTS AND THEY NEEDED SOME KIND OF BELT, HE WOULD NOT ONLY PROVIDE THE SUPPORT YOU WERE ASKING FOR.

HE WOULD ALSO SHOW UP TO WATCH HIM PLAY.

SO I COULD GO ON FOR A LONG TIME, BUT I WON'T HOLD YOU UP ANY LONGER.

WE NEED PERFECT PARTICIPATION.

THANK YOU FOR RIGHT SENATOR BARRY AT THIS

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MAY IT PLEASE.

THE BOARD, AS I SAID EARLIER, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IN ABOUT MARCH OR APRIL OF THIS YEAR, I WAS APPROACHED BY, UH, UH, SOME COMMUNITY ADVOCATES, FRIENDS, AND BY THE DURAN FAMILY ASKING HOW TO GET, UH, A BALL FIELD NAME, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR REVENUE RUN.

UM, SO I, UH, DEVELOPED THE PROCESS FOR THEM.

AND THIS IS WHAT YOU DO.

YOU COME IN AND YOU ASK THE PEOPLE, THIS BOARD AND THE CITY GOVERNMENT TO HELP YOU DO THAT.

SO, VERY BRIEFLY AS YOU'VE HEARD, UH, ROSA LEO RABBIT DURAN AND RABBITS IS, UH, I THINK A CULTURAL AND COMMUNITY TREASURE RABBIT PASSED AWAY THIS LAST YEAR.

HE WAS 87 YEARS OLD.

HIS BUSINESS HAD OPERATED SOME 40 YEARS AND THE PLACE I CAN'T EXACTLY DESCRIBE IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A HISPANIC, CHICANO CHEERS, WHERE EVERYBODY KNOWS YOUR NAME, RABBITS AROUND.

IT WAS A PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY.

HE HELD HUNDREDS OF FUNDRAISERS FOR PEOPLE, ALL CLUBS THAT YOU'VE HEARD TEAMS TURKEYS FOR THANKSGIVING, FOR THE POOR NEEDY PEOPLE IN MEDICAL NEED.

UM, THOSE WITH SERIOUS ILLNESSES.

AND, UH, EVEN ONE TIME THERE WAS A FELLOW WHO HAD LOST AN EYE AND HAD A FUNDRAISER TO GET HIM A GLASS OF WINE.

UH, NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT.

SO IT WAS A POLITICAL HUB, UM, FOR CANDIDATES, BARBECUE TACOS, OTHER PLATES, AND, UH, RAISING MONEY.

FOR THOSE OF US WHO DID NOT HAVE MONEY, BIG MONEY FROM THE LOBBIES TO, TO RUN FOR OFFICE UPSTAIRS.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, HAD BEEN A CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS FOR NUMEROUS PEOPLE.

I FOR ONE HAD, UH, UPSTAIRS, THIS WAS WAY BACK, UH, MAYBE BEFORE SOME PEOPLE WERE BORN, BUT, UH, BOB PERKINS, A JUDGE, UH, JOHN RAVINO, RICHARD MOYA, I WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.

THERE IS A MURAL SLICE OF CHAVEZ AND IT SAYS, WE DO NOT NEED PERFECT POLITICS.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY.

UH, ROBERT SUDAN, A NAVY BET, A, A COMMUNITY TREASURE HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THAT DISTRICT, UH, FIELD RENTERIA, THE AB CANOE FAMILY, A WENT OVER WITH OVER A THOUSAND NAMES.

SO THAT WOULD SUFFICE.

UM, WE WILL NOT FORGET RABBIT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE DECISION IS OR RABBIT RUN OR THE FAMILY AND WHAT THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS FAMILY AND TO THIS COMMUNITY AND TO OUR STATE AND OUR COUNTRY THANKING THEM.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER.

I MEAN, SENATOR, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I DO, I REMEMBER IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT IT'S MORE OF A MEMORY AND IT'S JUST THE FACT OF YOU AND ME.

AND I THINK IT WAS IF ALASKA AS, AND DEFINITELY BOB PERKINS, JUDGE PERKINS AND RABBIT, AND MAYBE EVEN RICHARD MOYA, UH, BEING OUTSIDE AND YOU, YOU SHARING YOU ALL SHARING THE HISTORY OF RABBITS AND WHAT IT MEANT TO BUILD THAT POLITICAL VOICE FOR LATINOS IN AUSTIN.

AND THAT IF NOT FOR THIS LOCATION, IF NOT FOR THAT PARTICIPATION, THEN A LOT OF THE VOICES THAT WE HAVE RELIED ON FOR, TO MAKE AUSTIN MORE INCLUSIVE TO, TO BRING OUR VOICE FORWARD, NOT WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE AT LEAST UNDER THE TIMELINE THAT IT DID.

SO I THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

THANK YOU TO THE DURAN FAMILY FOR BEING HERE.

UM, THANK YOU BOARD MEMBERS AND THANK YOU AND, UH, BE PROUD OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

WE CAN NOT PARTICIPATE AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO IN THIS CITY BECAUSE OF SO MANY THINGS LIKE COVID, BUT BLESS YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE HOW, HOW GRATEFUL WE ARE THAT YOU GUYS TOOK THE TIME TO COME DOWN HERE AND SHARE THE STORIES ABOUT YOUR FATHER AND ABOUT RABBIT.

AND HE SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL PERSON AND, AND CHAIR, WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS OF THE AGENDA ITEM.

I THINK THAT WAS THE BLOCK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR GROUP.

AND SO, UM, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE NEXT SPEAKER, UH, IS DEREK CASTILLO.

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ALSO, THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR OUR CITY.

I'VE BEEN A BENEFICIARY OF A LOT OF PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS. UH, I'M A BORN AND RAISED AUSTINITE AS IS MY FATHER WHO I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR, FOR THE RENAMING OF THE SOFTBALL FIELD IN HIS HONOR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE DURAN FAMILY.

MR. ROBERT DEAD-ON IS DESERVING AS WELL.

THESE ARE TWO OUTSTANDING GENTLEMEN IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT REALLY IS.

UM, YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH EITHER.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT I WILL ADVOCATE FOR MY FATHER BECAUSE I DO THINK, UM, HE IS MORE, HE IS MORE FITTING AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHY BRIEFLY, BECAUSE I DO THINK WE, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS TO SPEAK, HOPEFULLY AT ANOTHER MEETING.

UH, AT LEAST THAT'S MY HOPE.

UM, BUT LIKE, LIKE RABBIT, MY DAD GREW UP IN EAST.

AUSTIN WENT TO ISABELLA ELEMENTARY RIGHT NEXT TO THE PAN-AMERICAN CENTER.

ONE OF 11 KIDS.

HE LITERALLY GREW UP AT PAN-AM.

THAT WAS HIS MOM AND DAD BECAUSE HE WAS BUSY PLAYING SPORTS THERE AT THE FACILITY.

UH, WHEN HE GOT OLDER, HE VOLUNTEERED AS A COACH THERE.

UM, AFTER HE WAS IN COLLEGE AT UT, HE EVEN W UH, WORKED AT THE REC CENTER.

UM, AND THEN HE WENT ON, UH, AFTER COLLEGE AND EARNING HIS GRADUATE, HIS, HIS DEGREE TO, UM, WORK, UH, OR BE A SERVE ON THE PAN-AM BOARD.

IN FACT, HE SERVED FOR IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, NEARLY A DECADE WITH SEVERAL OF THOSE YEARS AS PRESIDENT OF THE PAN-AM BOARD.

SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND, MY DAD'S CLEATS WERE ON THE GROUND, SO TO SPEAK AT, AT PAN-AM.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, HE HELPED BUILD THE SOFTBALL, UM, COMMUNITY THERE, UH, ANY STAUNTON IN PARTICULAR PAN-AM THAT WAS THE HOME FIELD OF THE JOKERS AND ASKING THESE FOLKS, THEY KNOW THE JOKERS AND THE JOKERS WOULD END UP AT RABBITS, USUALLY AFTER A GAME, TAKING THE KIDS WITH THEM.

AND I ENJOYED THAT AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU TO RABBIT FOR LETTING US PLAY POOL AS FIVE YEARS OLD, BUT WE DID IT.

WE PROBABLY SCUFFED UP THE FELT, BUT HE STILL LET US DO IT.

UM, BUT BACK TO MY FATHER'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO EAST AUSTIN, HE HELPED THE JOKERS THERE, UH, SOLIDIFIED THE SOFTBALL COMMUNITY, BROUGHT IN TONS OF TOURNAMENTS.

UM, IN THE, IN THE SUMMERTIME, YOU WOULD SEE TONS OF FAMILIES OUT, OUT IN THE, IN THE YARD OR OUT IN THE, UH, IN THE OUTFIELD WATCHING THE GAMES.

IT WAS A TRUE COMMUNITY EFFORT.

AND MY DAD LED, UH, LED THAT EFFORT FOR MANY YEARS.

IN ADDITION, HE WAS A, UH, A LONG TIME TEACHER AND COACH ANY STOCKTON AT JOHNSTON HIGH SCHOOL.

SO MANY OF HIS KIDS THAT HE TAUGHT WOULD COME BACK AND PLAY ON THAT SOFTBALL FIELD.

UM, I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT I JUST WANT TO USE THIS TIME TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DO PLAN TO, TO, WE HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION FOR THE RENAMING, UM, AND WE WILL LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY LIKE THE DURAN FAMILY HAS TO, UM, TO LET YOU HEAR FROM OUR SUPPORTERS AS WELL.

UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, UM, I APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO.

THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE.

AND OUR LAST SPEAKER ON THIS AGENDA ITEM IS SEMI BRONCO.

YOUR TIME'S UP.

THAT QUICK.

YOU MEAN BOARD MEMBERS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

MY NAME IS SAN JUAN FRANCO, PROUD CHICANO AND PROUD AUSTIN RESIDENT.

UM, JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AS WE ALL KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, EAST AUSTIN HAS BEEN THE CENTER OF GRAVITY FOR LATINOS, FOR LATINOS IN AUSTIN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UM, HOPEFULLY WILL CONTINUE TO BE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AS WELL, BUT CHANGE IS INEVITABLE.

AND WHILE CHANGE IS INEVITABLE, UM, NOT HONORING OUR PAST OUR HISTORY IS UNACCEPTABLE.

SO I'M COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF RENAMING, UM, THE BALL FIELD AFTER MR. GOODEN, AS YOU'VE HEARD, MR. DON WAS AN AMAZING MAN PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, PROUD LATINO HIMSELF.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHILE NOT ALL LEADERS ARE NECESSARILY ELECTED OFFICIALS OR EVER GET A CHANCE TO SERVE IN THE DIOCESE THEY'RE LEADERS, JUST THE SAME OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RESPECT AND HONOR THAT HERITAGE AND HISTORY THAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

UM, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK MR. O'DONNELL WAS JUST AN AMAZING, AMAZING MAN, UM, WHO DID A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY LEADER HIMSELF AND ESPECIALLY IN WHAT IS THIS RIGHT NOW, HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH, HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH.

IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WE HONOR OUR HISPANIC COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND RENAME THIS BALL FIELD AFTER MISS OODA.

EXPLANATION OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NAMING A FEATURE AND NAMING A PARK, RIGHT? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU ALL TOOK TIME TO CONSIDER, UM, UH, YOU GOT TO WORK IN GROUP AND YOU WERE CONSIDERING THE NAMING PROCESS, BUT HERE HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE.

AND FOR THE RECORD, I'LL NEVER GET HERE LATE AGAIN, CAUSE I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO WANT TO SPEAK AFTER A STATE SENATOR.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AND JUST REAL QUICK, JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR A RABBIT, COULD I JUST GET A SHOW OF HANDS OF EVERYBODY WHO THE AUDIENCE WHO JUST, WHO SUPPORTS RABBITS ARE A SMART RABBIT AND JUST KIND OF JUST KIND OF VISUALLY SHOW THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, I GUESS, BRINGING THE SNAKE BACK NEXT MONTH.

SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT? I THINK THAT WELL, BOARD MEMBERS, I HAVE A VERY QUICK PRESENTATION AND I WANTED TO PROVIDE, UM, UH,

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IF, IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE PRESENTATION AND I'LL EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE.

SO IN ORDINANCE OR IN CODE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NAMING A PARK OR FACILITY VERSUS NAMING A FEATURE.

AND SO A PARK OR FACILITY REQUIRES COUNCIL ACTION.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, NAMING A FEATURE IS AT THE, UM, IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION, DIRECTOR'S ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY.

HOWEVER, CUSTOMARILY I HAVE BROUGHT ALL PARK NAMING, I'M SORRY, PARK FEATURE NAMINGS TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION SO THAT YOU ALL COULD, WE COULD HAVE A COMMUNITY PROCESS AND THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ME.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HEARING THIS TODAY.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT I DID RECEIVE A MR. DURAND'S APPLICATION OR THE FAMILY.

I RECEIVED THE APPLICATION FROM THE FAMILY FOR MR. DURAN, UM, ON, UH, AUGUST 20TH.

AND, UM, I WAS ABLE TO, UH, HAVE A FULL TIME, A FULL OPPORTUNITY TO VET THE APPLICATION, TO REVIEW, TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE FAMILY, TO GET CLARIFICATION'S AND, AND TENTS I PRESENT CREATED THIS PRESENTATION.

HOWEVER, UM, I ALSO DID RECEIVE, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I DID RECEIVE, UM, MR. CASTILLO'S APPLICATION, BUT I RECEIVED AN ONSET TIMBER 20TH.

I WAS NOT BACK IN THE OFFICE UNTIL LATER THAT WEEK, AND I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE FULL OPPORTUNITY TO VET THE APPLICATION.

AND I HAD MADE THE COMMITMENT TO THE DURAN FAMILY THAT I WOULD BRING THIS FORWARD.

UM, AND I WANTED TO HONOR THAT COMMITMENT, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ALSO SHARE WITH YOU THINGS ABOUT MR. CASTILLO.

BUT THE REASON WHY YOU'RE HEARING ONE TODAY IS BECAUSE THAT'S ALL I HAVE THE CAPACITY TO COMPLETE IN THIS TIMEFRAME.

SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU, UH, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE NAME OF THE PARK IS ACTUALLY THE PAN-AM NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, BUT IT IS OFTEN CALLED THE AB CHANTEUSE PAN-AM AMERICAN PARK, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY THE NAME OF THE RECREATION CENTER.

SO PEOPLE JUST CALL IT THE NAME THAT THEY'RE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION FOR YOU.

SO WITHIN THAT PARK IS THE AB CANTU PAN-AMERICAN RECREATION CENTER.

UH, ALSO IT IS, UM, WELL, LET ME JUST TELL YOU IT'S ON 3 0 7 CHECON STREET, NEXT SLIDE.

IT IS 5.25 ACRES, AND IT'S IN DISTRICT THREE.

IT IS THE HOME.

IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 19 55, 19 56.

IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE RECORDS THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAS, UM, THERE IS A THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TIMEFRAMES, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED DURING THOSE TWO YEARS.

IT'S THE HOME OF THE AB CAMP, THE US WILD AB CANTU PAN-AM RECREATION CENTER.

AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A PLAYGROUND, A COMMUNITY GARDEN THERE'S TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS, I BELIEVE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE BALL FIELD, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

IT IS ALSO THE HOME OF THE HILLSIDE THEATER WHERE THERE'S CONCERT SERIES, THERE'S POLITICAL RALLIES AT THAT PARTICULAR SPACE.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME SMALLER EVENTS.

IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ALL OF THIS ABOUT MR. DURAN, AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT THESE WERE THE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD WITH THE FAMILY.

AND I TOOK FROM THE, FROM THE APPLICATION.

AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO S TO READ THEM TO YOU, BUT IT'S JUST THE ECHOING, UM, THE DIFFERENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT MR. DURAN MADE TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, AGAIN, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HEARD THIS, BUT JUST TO REITERATE THAT THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT, I REVIEWED THAT APPLICATION.

I HAVE 932 INDIVIDUALS THAT I HAVE CAN LEGIBLY SEE THE, UM, AND I CAN LEGIBLY UNDERSTAND WHOSE NAME IT IS, RIGHT? BUT THERE ARE OVER A THOUSAND SIGNATURES.

I JUST WASN'T ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT ACTUAL NAME WAS.

SO I, I DON'T WANT TO IN ANY WAY, UM, SAY THAT THE SENATOR IS INCORRECT, HE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

BUT NINETY THREE, NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO OF THEM, I WAS ABLE TO DISCERN WHO THEY WERE.

UM, THE CANTU FAMILY SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT, OBVIOUSLY, MR. OR SENATOR BARRIENTOS IS HERE AND COUNCIL MEMBER RENTERIA, HIS OFFICE DID EXPRESS SUPPORT AND COUNCIL MEMBER RENTER.

HIS OFFICE ALSO SAID THAT HE, HE, UM, HE IS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO WHATEVER THAT, WHATEVER THAT MEANS, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW HE, HE BELIEVES THAT THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL.

WHO'S CERTAINLY WORTHY OF NAMING, BUT, UM, HE DID EXPRESS SUPPORT HERE TODAY.

UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN HONOR OF ROSARIO RABBIT DURAN, THAT IS WHAT'S ON THE MO THAT NOT A MOTION.

AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD BE ASKING THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, AND YOU CAN CONSIDER, YOU CAN MAKE WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER EMOTION IT IS THAT YOU WANT, KNOWING THAT WE ALSO HAVE A SECOND APPLICATION, BUT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY HAD THE RECOMMENDATION WAS DO YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ME, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR, TO SUPPORT THE NAMING OF THE BALL FIELDS AT THE PAN-AM,

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THAT'S A SUGGESTION, BUT YOU AS BOARD MEMBERS CAN DO MAKE WHATEVER MOTION YOU BELIEVE IS APPROPRIATE.

THANK YOU DIRECTOR.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER ABOUT ANY OF THAT? I DIDN'T CATCH THE NAME OF THE, THE OTHER CANDIDATE FOR NAMING, UM, TONY AND TC AND QUOTES CASINOS, TONY TC CASTILLO.

AND YOU, YOU GOT TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIM FROM HIS FAMILY.

WELL, I, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT PRESENTATION.

WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL.

I, IN ALL FAIRNESS, I, AND I KNOW WE W THAT'S CERTAINLY HOW I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD TRY TO ADDRESS THINGS WE SHOULD.

IF THERE ARE TWO CANDIDATES WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER ONE IS THE OTHER APPLICANT AS WELL, UNLESS SOMEBODY DISAGREES WITH ME AND WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO, TO VOTE ON THIS RIGHT AWAY.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION INTO MOVE BY OUT OF RISK.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT TO THE, UH, FAMILY IS, IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO LET THE PROCESS PLAY OUT.

AND, UM, AND SO I'LL, I'M GONNA RESPECT, RESPECT THAT.

AND, UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, SO, BUT THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE BOARD MEMBER FAUST HAS THE QUESTION.

UM, IT'S LESS OF A QUESTION, MORE OF A COMMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HEAR THE, THE C THE APPLICATION FROM THE CASTILLO FAMILY.

I'M PERSONALLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH RABBIT DURAN, AND, UM, I'M REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THAT THEY CAME FORWARD.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO BOTH FAMILIES, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.

AND I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT IN AUSTIN WITH ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE ALL SEE, THAT WE TAKE THE TIME TO DO THESE NAMINGS AND TO RESPECT OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE SO MUCH TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY WHAT IT IS.

AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE PEOPLE THAT DONATE A BUNCH OF MONEY AND BUILD THINGS, BUT THEY BUILD COMMUNITY.

AND SO I KNOW THIS TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT, AND SO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND, UM, AND SPEAKING AND FOR DOING THE PETITION.

AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT WAY TO HONOR, UM, A LOT OF COMMUNITY LEADERS.

AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THESE ARE VERY SPECIAL AND IMPORTANT.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO DO I NEED TO MOVE TO, UM, TO LIVE? YOU CAN, YOU CAN SAY THAT, WELL, YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT YOU COULD MOVE TO, UM, TO MAKE, TO MAKE NO RECOMMENDATION TO THE, TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AND REQUEST THAT THE SECOND APPLICATION, UM, BE A PRESENTATION ON THE SECOND APPLICATION AT THE NEXT, THE EARLIEST MEETINGS OR THE NEXT STEP AND THE OCTOBER MEETING.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO I WILL MOVE TO DO THAT.

YOU, OR MAYBE WE'LL HAVE, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE WHERE IT'S AT, AT STANCE AT THAT POINT TO ALSO VOTED ON IN THE OCTOBER MEETING.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

SO I'LL, I'M IN FAVOR.

THANK, THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME.

AND IT WAS JUST AN HONOR TO HEAR FROM YOU AND HEAR ABOUT RABBITS.

SO, AND WE WILL, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL PLAN TO ADDRESS THIS IN OCTOBER, SO HOPEFULLY COULD COME BACK AND, OR AT LEAST LISTEN TO US TO HEAR WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO.

SO THANKS AGAIN SO MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR BOTH, BOTH FAMILIES.

MOVING ON TO, UM, TO NEW BUSINESS, WE'RE DONE, RIGHT.

DISCUSSING AN IMPOSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RELATED TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF WINE AND BEER AT THIS ZILKER CAFE.

THIS IS ROUND THREE WITH, UM, PRESENTATION

[B.1. Presentation, discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation to the Planning Commission related to a Conditional Use Permit for the sale of wine and beer at the Zilker Cafe.]

I THINK EVERYBODY IS PROBABLY FAIRLY AWARE THAT I'M A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATED WITH THE, THIS PROCESS AND HOW IT'S BEEN DEALT WITH, BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE.

I APPRECIATE THE BOARD'S TIME WITH THIS ISSUE.

I KNOW WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND WE LIVE VERY FULL LIVES, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE COME OUT ONCE AGAIN TO, UM, ENGAGE IN CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO I APPRECIATE

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IT.

AND LET'S REMEMBER TO BE RESPECTFUL TO DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW, BECAUSE I'VE HAD SOME VERY AGGRESSIVE, UH, EMAILS.

SO WITH THAT SAID, WE SPEAKERS HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THE FIRST SPEAKER IS ERIC, UH, ROME.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THANKS.

MY NAME'S ERIC.

I'M A AUSTIN RESIDENT, NOT PART OF A, UH, ORGANIZATION THAT HAS WEIGHED IN ON THIS.

I'M STRONGLY AGAINST ALLOWING, UH, ALCOHOL SALES NEAR THE ENTRANCE OF, UH, BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

I THINK IT'S A VERY BAD IDEA.

AND HENCE AGAINST THE PROVISIONAL ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW THIS, I THINK THE FIRST AND FOREMOST ISSUE IS SAFETY.

UH, ALCOHOL USE DEFINITELY DECREASES, UH, SAFETY OF, UH, SWIMMERS, THE BARTON SPRINGS BY VIRTUE OF THE TYPE OF POOL THAT IT IS.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE SWAM THERE, IT'S LARGE EXPANSE, BIG THING TO, UH, UH, FOR THE LIFEGUARDS, UH, TO, UH, GUARD.

AND, UH, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB.

IT'S CHALLENGING HAVING ALCOHOL USE IN THIS SETTING WOULD, UH, WOULD INCREASE THE PROBLEM ALREADY.

BARTON SPRINGS HAS MORE, UH, EPISODES OF SWIMMERS IN DISTRESS, UH, THAN ANY OF THE OTHER CITY POOLS.

AND, UH, SOME OF IT'S THE SIZE, BUT IT'S ALSO BY VIRTUE OF THE NATURE OF THE POOL.

UH, I THINK THERE'LL ALSO BE, UH, A SPILLOVER EFFECT FROM ALLOWING THE LEGAL USE OF ALCOHOL, RIGHT BY THE ENTRANCE OF BARTON STRINGS POOL.

I MEAN, YES, ALCOHOL USE WITHIN THE PARK WILL STILL STAY, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL RIGHT, THE SIGN SAYS DON'T BRING IN ALCOHOL, BUT I THINK THERE'S A PERCEPTION DIFFERENCE, PARTICULARLY AROUND, YOU KNOW, A YOUNGER CROWD OF THE TWENTIES AND 30 YEAR OLDS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SELLING ALCOHOL HERE, IT'S FINE TO SELL WELL, THIS DOESN'T REALLY SEEM LIKE, YOU KNOW, A PLACE THAT, THAT ALCOHOL USE ISN'T APPROPRIATE.

AND I THINK THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT MORE POOL PATRONS WILL DECIDE TO BRING THEIR OWN ALCOHOL.

DESPITE WHAT THE ENTRANCE SIGN SAYS.

UH, I THINK ALLOWING ALCOHOL SALES AT ZILKER PARK, EXCUSE ME, PARK, UH, WILL BE, UH, A STEP TOWARDS MAKING BARTON SPRINGS BE PERCEIVED AS A DRINKING DESTINATION.

THERE'S BEEN A DIFFERENT POINT.

THERE'S BEEN AN ANALOGY.

WELL, THE ALTO CAL CAFE, UH, THE WALLER BOATHOUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ALCOHOL SALES THERE, YOU KNOW, WILD, ISN'T THIS A WORKOUT? WELL, I JUST HAPPENED TO BE TALKING TO A FORMER BOARD MEMBER OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S RUN THAT, UH, THAT BOAT HAS FOR A LONG TIME.

AND, AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT ANALOGY DIDN'T SEEM APT AT ALL TO HER.

AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE ALCOHOL USE THERE AT THE BOATHOUSE OCCURS AFTER THEY'D BEEN ROWING, YOU KNOW, THEY GO UP, YOU KNOW, UH, WHOEVER GOES UP, MAY HAVE A DRINK OR TWO, BUT IT IS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU DO BEFORE YOU GET OUT IN THE WATER BEING LOADED BEFORE YOU GO OUT AND ROW IS NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, AN APPEALING ACTIVITY.

UH, YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, SWIMMING AT BARTON SPRINGS.

I MEAN, NO, ONE'S GOING TO DRINK A WHOLE LOT AND THEN GO OUT AND SWIM LAPS.

THAT'S TRUE, BUT BURTON SPRINGS, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SETTING.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE GO AND ENJOY THE LOUNGING IN A BEAUTIFUL SETTING.

THAT'S THE PERFECT SETTING FOR DRINKING ALCOHOL.

AND SO I THINK IT'S THE, UH, THE ANALOGY, UH, THE ALTA CAFE DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE TO ME, OR IT DOESN'T SEEM VALID.

THEN FINALLY DENSITY APPROPRIATELY BARTON SPRINGS POOL ATTRACTS MANY, MANY PEOPLE THERE BECAUSE BY VIRTUE OF THE GREAT NATURAL, EXCUSE ME, GREAT NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE PLACE, THE PARKING IS RELATIVELY LIMITED.

UH, AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE AREA'S QUITE CROWDED.

DO WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT INCREASES THE DENSITY OF THIS ALREADY? UH, UH, THIS AREA IT'S ALREADY QUITE DENSE WITH PEOPLE, NOT THAT DENSITY ITSELF IS BAD, BUT DENSITY WHERE, UH, PARKING IS OVERLOADED, WHERE ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE WEEKENDS, THERE'S LONG LINES TO GET INTO, UH, WEEKENDS IN THE SUMMER LONG LINES

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TO GET INTO THE POOL.

I THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA ON MULTIPLE REASONS, BUT I'LL GO BACK AGAIN.

I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, SAFETY TALK TO LIFEGUARDS THERE.

THAT POOL IS HARDER TO HARDER TO, UH, TO, UH, UH, LIFEGUARD.

THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF IT, BUT HAVING PEOPLE, EH, ANYTHING THAT WILL INCREASE ALCOHOL USE THERE IS GOING TO DECREASE HER SAVING SAFETY, UH, OF THE INDIVIDUALS USING THAT MAY LEAD TO TRAGEDY.

SO THAT'S MY VIEWPOINT.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MEGAN MASON BOX THERE YOU GO.

I'M MEGAN MEISENBACH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO AUSTIN BY BEING HERE TONIGHT AND ARE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THIS AFTERNOON, BARTON SPRINGS VISITORS WERE LAUGHING.

IT WAS SO WONDERFUL.

THERE'S SO MANY WONDERFUL THINGS TO LOVE.

DO WE REALLY NEED SOMETHING MORE TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE? NOT FOR ME AND NOT FOR MANY PEOPLE.

AND SPEAKING OF ALL THE PEOPLE, IF THE CUP IS APPROVED, THERE IS A LARGE AREA, UM, THAT HAS A LOT PEOPLE IN IT.

PEOPLE GETTING TICKETS TO GO IN, WAITING IN LINE TO GO IN, UM, MEETING PEOPLE, RUNNERS ARE GOING THROUGH THERE.

AND WHEN THE TRAIN IS OPEN, PEOPLE GOING TO THE TRAIN WILL GO THROUGH THERE.

UM, AND THEN THERE USED TO BE PICNIC TABLES THAT WERE FREE AS FAR AS I KNOW TO EVERYONE.

WELL, IF IT'S FENCED OFF, THEN THAT WON'T BE FREE TO EVERYONE.

AND THERE'S ALSO THE FENCE.

THE WAY I CAN SEE IT, THERE'S A VIEW OF THE POOL FROM THAT AREA.

AND THAT WILL BE EXCLUDING IT FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE, WHO AREN'T PATRONS, WHO WILL BE THE PATRONS.

WILL THEY BE THE PEOPLE WHO SCRIMP A LITTLE BIT TO PAY THE POOL ENTRANCE AND THE PARKING, AND NOW THEY HAVE TO PAY EXTRA MONEY TO SIT IN THE PICNIC AREA.

THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A FAIR THING RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S A WONDERFUL VARIETY OF PEOPLE, OF ALL DIFFERENT PERSUASIONS IN THIS AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE CUT IN HALF BY THE CUP.

UM, AS FAR AS I COULD RESEARCH THE POOL HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY SAFE PLACE TO BE.

AND I JUST THINK THAT, UH, ASKING THE YOUNG LIFE GUARDS TO JUDGE SOBRIETY IS MAYBE NOT A GOOD THING TO DO SO I HOPE YOU'LL VOTE NO ON THE CUP ONCE AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS HEIDI ARMSTRONG.

HEIDI ARE THERE FIRST AND FOREMOST.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE.

YOU HAVE A REALLY DIFFICULT AND THANKLESS JOB, AND YOU'RE ALL VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

I'M HERE TODAY TO OPPOSE ALCOHOL SALES OUTSIDE BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

I ALSO SPOKE AT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, MEET AGAINST THE CUP AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING ON JUNE 17TH AND THE PARD MEETING ON JUNE 22ND CITY IS PROPOSING A GALACTICALLY BAD IDEA TO SELL ALCOHOL 30 STEPS FROM THE POOL ENTRANCE, NOT TO MENTION 35 FEET FROM THE TRAIN AND 200 FEET FROM THE PLAYGROUND.

BARTON SPRINGS IS A THREE ACRE POOL ON ANY GIVEN SUMMER DAY.

THERE ARE POTENTIALLY 3000 PEOPLE FOR THE ALREADY OVERWORKED AND UNDERPAID LIFEGUARDS TO LOOK AFTER AND ALL TOO OFTEN RESCUE THAT'S WITHOUT ALCOHOL SALES, 30 STEPS FROM THE POOL ENTRANCE DROWNINGS HAPPEN FAST AND SILENT REQUIRE A SPLIT-SECOND DECISION MAKING FROM LIFEGUARDS.

IMAGINE DELAYS IN THEIR RESPONSES.

IF THEY WERE MENTALLY WORN DOWN BY PLAYING BOUNCER TO DRUNK PEOPLE ALL DAY.

ACCORDING TO THE CDC WEBSITE, ALCOHOL'S INVOLVED IN 70% OF DROWNING DEATHS.

THERE ARE SCIENTIFIC DATA THAT CONCLUDE ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION CONTRIBUTES TO DROWNING.

ADDITIONALLY, THE LIFEGUARDS DO NOT HAVE ADEQUATE TRAINING TO DEAL WITH INTOXICATED PATRONS, NOR HAVE THEY BEEN CONSULTED ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.

WHAT WILL WE ASK TO THEM AS UNSAFE AND UNFAIR? I'VE OBTAINED THE CITY OF AUSTIN LIFEGUARD TRAINING MANUAL AND CONFIRMED LIFEGUARDS RECEIVED NO TRAINING TO IDENTIFY OR DEAL WITH INTOXICATED PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

I SEE POOL PATRONS SCREAM AND YELL AT LIFEGUARDS FOR ENFORCING RULES.

IMAGINE HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH WORSE THAT WOULD BE WITH MORE INTOXICATED PATRONS.

I SPOKE WITH SEVERAL LIFE GUARDS AND DESPITE NOT BEING ABLE TO SPECIFICALLY PUBLICLY OPPOSE THIS PROPOSAL ON THE JOB, THEY MADE THEIR FEELINGS, CRYSTAL,

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CRYSTAL PERIOD.

THEY WERE ANGRY, STUNNED, AND AGHAST.

WHY WOULD THE CITY MAKE AN IMPORTANT DECISION TO CREATE A NEW BURDEN FOR THE LIFEGUARDS STICK WITH ME HERE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE PARKS DIRECTOR, KIMBERLY MCNEALY, ALONG WITH STAFF, CHRISTINA BIAS, AND JUSTIN SNYDER HAD STATED DURING RECORDED MEETINGS THAT THEIR PROPOSAL TO SELL ALCOHOL NEAR THE POOL ENTRANCE IS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO A PUBLIC INPUT.

IN A SURVEY.

I HAVE OBTAINED THAT SURVEY.

IN FACT, THE PUBLIC INPUT WAS AMIR 16, OUT OF 450 OR 3% OF RESPONDENTS INDICATED THEY WOULD LIKE ALCOHOL SERVED AT THE CAFE.

I QUESTIONED KIMBERLY MCNEILLY'S JUSTIFICATION FOR PUSHING A PROPOSAL FORWARD WHERE 97% OF 450 PEOPLE DID NOT INDICATE THEY WOULD PURCHASE ALCOHOL FROM THE CAFE POLLS ARE TO PUT IT MILDLY A POOR BASIS FOR PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY.

DON'T YOU THINK W LISTENED TO THE TWO COMMUNITY AND PARD MEETINGS.

I MENTIONED FROM START TO FINISH, NOT A SINGLE BARTON SPRINGS SWIMMER IS IN FAVOR OF THE CUP PART BOARD MEMBER, RICH DEPALMA COMPARED BARTON SPRINGS TO CONEY ISLAND OR GALVESTON SAYING THE ALCOHOL IS SERVED AT THOSE LOCATIONS WITH NO INCIDENTS.

NEXT SPEAKER, MARK GENTLE.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

I KNOW FIRSTHAND THE COMMITMENT AND THE SACRIFICE YOU MAKE BY FIELDING THE CALLS, THE EMAILS, AND PARTICIPATING IN THESE MEETINGS.

UH, I'LL BE BRIEF.

I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY, MY WIFE AND MYSELF, WE'RE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO ALCOHOL SALES FOR THE SAFETY REASONS THAT YOU'VE HEARD FOR THE OVERALL CHANGE OF CHARACTER THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED WHEN YOU BALANCE THE POTENTIAL PUBLIC BENEFIT OF ALCOHOL SALES AND THE POTENTIAL HARM THAT YOU WOULD BE DOING TO THAT ICONIC LOCATION.

IT'S NOT EVEN A CONTEST.

THERE ARE SO MANY NEGATIVES, BOTH REAL AND POSSIBLE.

AND WHAT IS THE COUNTERBALANCE TO THAT? I CAN FRANKLY THINK OF NONE I'VE BEEN AT AND MY WIFE HAVE BEEN SWIMMERS THERE REGULARLY AT BARTON SPRINGS.

AND WE USE THE, THE GREENBELT AND THE PARK GENERALLY FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, OUR LIFESTYLE HAS CHANGED OVER THAT TIME.

OUR USE OF THE PARK HAS CHANGED OVER THAT TIME.

IT NEVER OCCURRED TO US THAT WHAT'S MISSING IS A BEER.

IT JUST, IT JUST NEVER CAME UP BECAUSE YOU BECOME SO, I MEAN, IT, WE, WE LIVE JUST ABOVE THE PARK.

WE'RE A HALF A MILE AWAY.

I'VE PARTICIPATED IN MEETINGS, BEEN ON GROUPS, COMMITTEES, APPOINTED, NOT APPOINTED.

THIS IS JUST, IT STRIKES RIGHT AT THE HEART TO US.

PEOPLE LOVE THAT PLACE.

WHAT A CHANGE OF CHARACTER AND WHAT A RISK YOU WOULD BE TAKING BY ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN.

SO PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS APPLICATION.

KNOW, WE, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, PRIVATE FACILITIES NEAR WATER THAT SERVE ALCOHOL WE'VE.

NEXT SPEAKER IS DAN, UH, UPDIKE.

GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

MY NAME IS DAN UPDIKE.

I'M A FREQUENT SWIMMER AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

I'M OPPOSED TO THE ALCOHOL SALES NEAR BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

AND I SPOKE AT, AT YOUR MEETING IN JUNE.

SO I'LL BE BRIEF.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TOLD THAT THE ALCOHOL WILL STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE SERVING AREA.

UH, BUT WE WERE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE RULES THAT ARE, ARE ROUTINELY BROKEN AT ZILKER PARK, UH, LEAFY DOGS BEING I'M PROBABLY THE MOST VISIBLE.

I, I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE VENDOR'S GOING TO DO THE BEST JOB THAT THEY CAN.

AND I ALSO HAVE NO DOUBT THAT MANY OF THE PATRONS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30 FEET FROM A VERY BUSY POOL WITH, AS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, VERY BUSY LIFEGUARDS, LOTS TO DO LOTS TO WORRY ABOUT, AND IT DOESN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF MISTAKES TO HAVE A REAL PROBLEM.

AND SO I'M OPPOSED ON SAFETY GROUNDS.

I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT WE, YOU

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WE KNOW OF SOME PUBLIC FACILITIES THAT ALSO SERVE ALCOHOL IN HERE, WATER, UH, BUT IT IS A DANGEROUS COMBINATION AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO OTHER OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ENJOY A PLACE LIKE BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

IT IS A UNIQUE TREASURE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S, UH, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT SETTING, AN ALCOHOL SERVED, YOU DON'T WANT ALCOHOL.

MAYBE YOU CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT BARTON SPRINGS POOL, THERE IS NO PLAN B.

THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE TO GO.

AND FOR THAT REASON, I'D LIKE, UH, TO YOU TO OPPOSE THIS PERMIT OR THIS, THIS CUP AND, AND KEEP IT AS THE TREASURE THAT IT IS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL FOR SO MANY YEARS, UH, FOR THE CITIZENS.

ALL RIGHT, MR. SCOTT, COBB.

HELLO EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS SCOTT COBB AND I CURRENTLY WORK AS A LIFEGUARD AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

I'VE BEEN SO FOR SEVERAL SUMMERS, 2018.

UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK FIRST OF ALL THIS BOARD FOR ITS CONSIDERATION, AND YOU'RE ALREADY NEGATIVE VOTE ON THIS PROPOSAL.

I'VE REALLY NEVER ATTENDED THESE BOARD MEETINGS BEFORE, BUT I'VE REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THIS AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE DECISION-MAKING AND THE, YOUR CONTEMPLATIONS.

UM, I AM A LITTLE, UM, CONCERNED.

UH, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE AN ELEMENT OF, UH, FLIMFLAMMERY GOING ON HERE WITH CONTINUING TO PUSH THIS PROPOSAL AFTER IT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED DOWN.

I THINK WE'LL SEE THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

UH, BUT FIRST I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE.

I THINK MOST OF YOU ALREADY CAN, UH, CONVINCED ABOUT, AND THAT IS THE INDISSOLUBILITY OF ALCOHOL AND SWIMMING.

WE OFTEN, UH, CATCH ALL DAY LONG IN THE SUMMERTIME.

WE CATCH PEOPLE AT ARDEN SPRINGS WITH, WITH ALCOHOL, THEY BRING IT IN AND CANS.

THEY CAN SEAL IT.

WE CATCH A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IF WE CAN SEE THE CAN AND SEE THE BEER, SEE THE WHITE CLAW A BOTTLE, THEY ALSO BRING IT IN ANOTHER CONTAINER THAT WE CANNOT SEE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO SEARCH THAT YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE ARE, SOME PEOPLE ARE OR ANY RAID IT.

IF THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NEVER ATE IT, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY KICK THEM OUT, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE TO BE OBVIOUSLY A NUMERATOR TO BE A DANGER TO YOURSELF.

AND TO OTHER SWIMMERS, BARTON SPRINGS IS, CAN BE A DANGEROUS PLACE.

THERE HAVE BEEN DEATHS AT BARTON SPRINGS, WHETHER OR NOT ALCOHOL WASN'T DIRECTLY INVOLVED.

I CANNOT SAY 2013, SOMEONE WAS SWIMMING ACROSS THE POOL, WENT UNDER, WAS FISHED OUT.

AND, UH, THEY DIED SINCE I'VE BEEN WORKING IN 2018.

AND I KNOW OF THREE INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE PERFORMED CPR AT THE POLE AND WE PERFORM OVER 200 RESCUES OF PEOPLE IN THE WATER EVERY YEAR DURING THE BUSY PRE COVID YEARS, IT CAN BE DANGEROUS.

PEOPLE MAKE POOR DECISIONS WHEN THEY DECIDE TO SWIM ACROSS THE POOL, WE WATCHED THEM.

WE CAN USUALLY TELL WHEN THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE IT, AND WE CAUTION THEM NOT TO DO IT, BUT YOU CAN'T CATCH EVERYONE.

THEY DO SWIM ACROSS AND THEN SOME START TO DROWN AND WE SAVED THEM.

WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME OF OUR 20 MINUTE DOWNTIME, BUT IN BETWEEN STANDS, PATROLLING THE GROUNDS.

WE CATCH A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH ALCOHOL.

IT IS A SERIOUS DISTRACTION FROM OTHER DUTIES.

PEOPLE CAN BE ARGUMENTATIVE.

THEY CAN BE, THEY CAN REPEAT THAT, UH, THE QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WELL, CAN I JUST POUR IT OUT? I DIDN'T KNOW.

UH, NOW HE CAN'T, I'M SORRY.

YOU CAN COME BACK ANOTHER DAY.

JUST DON'T BRING ALCOHOL TO THE POOL.

NOW WE CAN'T SEE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

WE CAN ONLY DO THAT WITH PEOPLE.

WE SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUYING ALCOHOL, UH, OUTSIDE THE POLE AND THEY DRINK IT.

WE CAN'T SEE IT.

GREAT, MR. COBB, WE APPRECIATE IT.

AND THANK YOU FOR ADDING YOUR VOICE NEXT SPEAKER.

UH, DORA HANSARD.

HI EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS, UH, DARRA HANSARD, AND I'M A CURRENT CASHIER AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

I AM TASKED WITH MEETING EVERYONE THAT COMES INTO THE POOL.

I AM TAKING EACH AND EVERY PERSON'S TICKET AND ENFORCING OUR RULES.

BE IT, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE FOOD IN HERE.

TO ME AND I HAVE TO REFUSE THEM ENTRY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'VE PAID.

YOU CAN'T BRING YOUR COOLER.

AND, UM, MOST COMBATIVELY NO, YOU CAN'T DRINK ALCOHOL IN HERE.

PEOPLE WAIT 30 MINUTES.

SOMETIMES EVEN UP TO AN HOUR ON BUSY SUMMER DAYS WHERE THEY'RE HOT, THEY WANT TO GO SWIMMING AND THEY MAY JUST HAVE ALCOHOL IN THEIR HANDS.

THEY MAY NOT BE FROM AUSTIN.

THEY MAY BE FROM AUSTIN, BUT NOT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF OUR ALCOHOL POLICY.

AND SOMETIMES THEY'LL WAIT THAT 30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR.

THEY'LL GET UP

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WE HAVE A NO REFUND POLICY AND EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE WAITED THAT LONG, UM, IN THAT KIND OF HEAT IS DIFFICULT.

PEOPLE CAN GET QUITE UPSET.

I'VE HAD MANY INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE YELLED AT ME, THREATENED ME, BECOME AGGRESSIVE WITH ME, NOT EVEN A MONTH AGO.

I HAD A GENTLEMEN BARRICADE HIMSELF AT OUR FRONT ENTRANCE AND REFUSE TO MOVE FOR OVER 10 MINUTES.

IT TOOK MY MANAGER, UM, THREATENING TO CALL THE POLICE FOR HIM TO ACTUALLY LEAVE THE FACILITY.

WE COMMONLY EXPLAINED TO HIM, NO, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK ANOTHER DAY, BUT WE SIMPLY JUST DON'T ALLOW ALCOHOL HERE TO THINK THAT ALCOHOL WOULD BE SOLD SO CLOSE TO THE POOL FOR PERIMETER AS SOMEONE WHO IS TASKED WITH TELLING PEOPLE, NO, YOU CAN'T BRING THAT IN HERE.

UM, WAS VERY DAUNTING.

UH, I THINK IT'S A POOR IDEA AND I THINK WE SHOULD PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE POOL AND KEEP IT A SACRED PLACE FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY.

ALCOHOL IS NOT NECESSARY FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY OUR PARK SPACES.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, MR. DENNIS MARINO.

HELLO.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, UM, I WORKED AT THE POOL FOR FOUR YEARS.

UM, AND DURING THAT TIME I'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE COME AND GO.

UM, I'VE HAD A LOT OF, UH, ALTERCATIONS WITH PATIENTS THAT DO THE ALCOHOL POLICIES THAT WE DO HAVE AT THE FACILITY.

UM, AND DURING THE, UH, COVID TIMES, WE ALSO CLEANED UP A LOT OF LITTER FROM THE, UH, PARK SPACES.

AND MOST OF THAT LITTER WAS, UH, DUE TO THE ALCOHOL, UH, BEING LEFT, UM, AND THRONE AND NOT THE TRASH CANS.

AND WE'VE ALSO HAD ALTERCATIONS WITH PEOPLE JUST BRINGING ALCOHOL INTO THE PARK ITSELF AND, UH, JUST BEING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HELPING CLEAN UP THE PARKS AND, UM, TRYING TO KEEP THE AREA CLEAN AND SAFE.

UM, WHILE WORKING AT THE POOL, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF SAVES DUE TO ALCOHOL BEING CONSUMED AND, UM, HEATSTROKE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UM, WITH THE COMBINATION OF ALCOHOL, UM, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF HARASSMENT, UH, DUE TO THE ALCOHOL POLICIES AS WELL.

UM, SO I DON'T, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, UM, SELLING ALCOHOL INSIDE OF THE FACILITY WOULD MAKE, UM, ANY OF THAT, ANY EASIER.

UM, I'VE ALSO SEEN A LOT OF ABUSE TOWARDS, UM, THE CASHIERS AND THE LIFEGUARDS DUE TO THE ALCOHOL POLICIES.

UM, WHETHER THAT BE THE PATRONS, NOT KNOWING, UM, THE RULES OF THE FACILITY OR WHETHER THAT BE THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE, OF THE POLICIES.

UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I FEEL LIKE ADDING ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER PART TO THAT BATTLE WOULD SEEM KIND OF POINTLESS AND A LITTLE FRUSTRATING AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONCESSION STANDS WILL PROBABLY TRY THEIR BEST TO, UM, KEEP THE ALCOHOL WHERE IT IS AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T LET HER OR BRING IT TO THE FACILITIES.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, ONCE THE ALCOHOL HAS BEEN CONSUMED, UM, THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT WE, UM, AS POLL WORKERS COULD DO TO, UH, MAKE THE ISSUES ANY SIMPLER OR EASIER.

UM, SO I BEG THAT YOU GUYS DON'T, UH, APPROVE FOR THIS MOTION TO CONTINUE.

UM, IT'S JUST BETTER TO KEEP LESS, UH, RULE BREAKERS OUT OF THE FACILITY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR ALL THE WORKERS THERE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

NEXT SPEAKER, JENNIFER RUBBING.

GOOD EVENING.

HI.

UH, BEFORE I START, THERE'S QUICK QUESTION.

CAN I GUILD SOME OF MY TIME BACK TO SOMEBODY ELSE? IS THAT OKAY? OKAY.

SO, UM, CAN I START NOW? OKAY NOW.

PETITION AGAINST THE USE OF ALCOHOL AND THE, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR SERVICE.

UM, MY NAME IS JENNIFER ROBYN ALT.

I AM A YEAR LONG ACTIVE SWIMMER OF BARTON SPRINGS.

I'M A NATIVE AUSTINITE.

I'VE BEEN SWIMMING AT THE SPRINGS SINCE I WAS A LITTLE GIRL.

UM, I'M VERY CLOSE TO MANY OF THE LIFEGUARDS.

UM, IT IS A PLACE I GO TO AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX TIMES A WEEK, AND I'VE TAKEN MY SON TO BARTON SPRINGS SINCE HE WAS A BABY.

HE'S 15.

UM, I'D LIKE TO GO OVER JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS, SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN PAST MEETINGS, AND I AM A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT WHY WE'RE HAVING TO VOTE ON THIS AGAIN WHILE YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A VOTE ON THIS AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE TIMES WE, YOU GUYS NEED TO VOTE, BUT, UM, LET'S TONIGHT BE THE LAST TIME THAT'D BE GREAT.

UM, BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF GIVING UP MY EVENINGS TO COME TO THESE THINGS AND TO GO ON ZOOM, UM, FEELING SHARED BY US.

YES, I STARTED A CHANGE.ORG PETITION WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, FIFTH 555 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED THAT PETITION

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UM, THE OPPOSITION HAS SAID THAT THIS WOULD REGULATE IT ALCOHOL AND MAKE IT SAFER.

SO PEOPLE AREN'T SNEAKING IT IN.

I THINK THAT'S INSANE.

UM, I THINK THAT HAVING ALCOHOL SALES CONTRIBUTES TO A CULTURE OF DRINKING AND THESE ARE PUBLIC PARKS IN PUBLIC POOLS.

FOR-PROFIT ENTERTAINMENT, VENUES.

SO THESE ARE NOT ENTERTAINMENT.

THESE ARE FOR ALL PEOPLE IN ALL COMMUNITIES ACROSS ALL OF AUSTIN.

SO I'M REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS TREND OF NORMALIZING DRINKING AND FAMILY SPACES, NORMALIZING DRINKING AROUND CHILDREN, NORMALIZING DRINKING AS A PART OF A WAY TO EXPERIENCE A PUBLIC SPACE.

I'M REALLY SICK OF IT.

AND I REALLY WANT THIS TO STOP AND I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE BEHIND ME.

I THINK THE VENDOR'S GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB WITH THE MENU.

I LIKE THE MENU.

I THINK IT'S COOL.

UM, PEOPLE DRINK ANYWAY.

SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL IS ANOTHER ARGUMENT.

UM, IT IS A BIG DEAL.

IT'S ABOUT CULTURE AND NORMALIZING THIS BEHAVIOR.

SO I'M GOING TO HEAL MY TIME BACK TO HEIDI.

HOW MUCH TIME IS THIS REMAINING MORTY? GREAT.

SO, UM, I WAS SAYING RIPS DIPLOMA COMPARED BARTON SPRINGS TO CONEY ISLAND OR GALVESTON SAYING THAT ALCOHOL SERVED THERE.

BARTON SPRINGS IS A CITY AND A NATIONAL TREASURE, NOT AN AMUSEMENT PARK.

IT'S A UNIQUE AND PUBLIC ECOLOGICAL RESOURCE.

SELLING ALCOHOL IS CONSISTENT, NOT A CONSISTENT MESSAGE THAT WE WANT TO SEND OUR CHILDREN ABOUT THE DELICATE NATURE OF THE SPRINGS.

LASTLY, PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A DRINK WHILE THEIR KIDS ARE AT THE PLAYGROUND.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SAFELY WATCH CHILDREN FROM THE CAFE.

CAN'T SEE THEM.

THERE'S NOT EVEN A LINE OF SIGHT THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO WATCH THE CHILD.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROY HALLEY.

YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? I DON'T HAVE ONE FROM HIM.

SO WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD.

IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK UP, THEN SOMEBODY CAN HAND ME THE COMMUNICATION FORM FOR MR. BUNCH.

MR. WALEY GOT THREE MINUTES.

HOW DO Y'ALL? MY NAME IS ROY WHALEY AND I AM NOT ONLY SPEAKING FOR YOURS, TRULY DENIED, BUT ALSO AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE AUSTIN SIERRA CLUB CONSERVATION COMMITTEE, AND SAY BARTON CREEK ASSOCIATION, BOTH ORGANIZATIONS DEEPLY OPPOSE THE IDEA OF ALCOHOL SELLS AT ZILKER PARK.

NOW I'M NOT ANTI BEER.

IN FACT, WHEN I WAS STILL DRINKING, I WAS VERY PRO BEER.

IN FACT, I PROBABLY APPRECIATED BEER MORE THAN ANY TWO OF Y'ALL COMBINED, BUT THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT I AGREE THAT YOU DON'T NEED BEER TO ENJOY ZILKER PARK.

AND IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THE ZOOM MEETING, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT LINED UP BEHIND THE, THE LICENSE HOLDER, UH, TO SAY THAT WE'RE JUST MAKING THIS ABOUT THE POOL INSTEAD OF THE PARK.

NO, ONE'S, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE SAY THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO THE CAFE AND HAVE A COUPLE OF BEERS AND THEN GO OUT TO THE SUN BLASTED POLO FIELDS THAT'S BEING USED FOR A PARKING LOT.

ALSO, I AM KEEPING UP WITH THE ZILKER MASTER PLAN.

THEY ARE DEFINITELY SAYING EVERY MEETING, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS ALCOHOL AT THE CAFE, NONETHELESS SPEAKERS AGAIN AND AGAIN, SPEAK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE HOW CAN YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT ALCOHOL IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THAT PLAN? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE NOT IN ONE PLANT.

UH, I, I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIFEGUARDS ARE, ARE TEENAGERS.

AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT MIGHT GET A LITTLE PUSHY WITH A TEENAGER THAT DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO STAND UP TO A BELLIGERENT ADULT.

AND THEN WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO FEEL IF THEY GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD AND GO IN AND THE LIFEGUARDS AND THEN SOMEONE DROWNS.

AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO A YOUNG PERSON EMOTIONALLY AND FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

NOW, THEN I'VE LOOKED OVER THE PLANS AND THERE IS A DEFINITE AREA OR ALCOHOL AND FOOD CAN BE CONSUMED, BUT IT'S JUST THE LINE

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ON THE GROUND.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONTAINMENT AREA, AND THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A GATE.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE RESTAURANTS AND BARS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL IN AUSTIN, THEY HAVE SOMEONE AT THE DOOR SAYING, YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT OUT.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT AS PART OF THIS PLAN, IF THEY WANT TO FILL THAT THERE.

AND I'M AGAIN AGAINST THAT, THEY NEED TO PAY TO HAVE SOMEONE POSTED AT THAT GATE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALCOHOL DOES NOT COME OUT.

AS SOON AS IT'S ORDERED.

ALSO DURING THE MASTER PLAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING PARKING.

THIS HAS BEEN PITCHED AS A DESTINATION.

THANK YOU, MR. WHALE, THE PART IN THE POOL OR THE DESTINATION.

LAST SPEAKER, UNLESS THERE'S ANYMORE.

SO WE'VE GOT MR. BILL BUNCH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, I'M BILL BUNCH.

I'M EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SAVE OUR SPRINGS ALLIANCE.

I AM BLESSED ENOUGH TO LIVE IN ZILKER AND IN FREQUENT SUMMER AT THE SPRINGS FOR 30 PLUS YEARS NOW.

UM, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM MOST OTHER POOLS.

IT'S A WILD PLACE.

IT'S A HUGE PLACE AS YOU'VE HEARD EARLIER.

UM, THE LIFEGUARDS ARE NOT JUST SITTING THERE BORED.

THEY'RE SAVING PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND THIS WOULD CLEARLY ADD A MUCH HIGHER, UH, DANGER FACTOR TO THEIR JOB AND, AND TO THE POOL SITUATION.

UM, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY VOTED SEVERAL TIMES AGAINST THIS.

PLEASE DO IT ONCE MORE.

UM, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE STAFFS OR CITY LEGAL OR WHOEVER'S READING THAT Y'ALL ARE SIMPLY ADVISORY.

I THINK IF YOU RECOMMEND AGAINST THIS, I BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE IS THAT IT'S DEAD AT THAT POINT.

UM, AND CAN'T GO FORWARD WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM THIS BODY.

UM, I DON'T SEE, I KNOW THAT THIS SORT OF ISSUE WAS OVERLOOKED AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE HOW WE SORT OF STUMBLED INTO IT WITHOUT HAVING A REAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS ON THE FRONT END THAT COULD HAVE BEEN, UH, PERHAPS LESS CONTENTIOUS, BUT I REALLY HOPE THAT WE'LL DEVELOP A COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY WANTS IT, THAT NOT JUST AT BARTON SPRINGS, BUT ACROSS OUR PARK SYSTEM, THAT IF IT'S A SPECIAL EVENT AND PEOPLE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE SELLING ALCOHOL, THEN PEOPLE CAN GO FOR THAT OR THEY KNOW IT'S THERE.

BUT THE OTHER TIMES OUR PARKS REALLY SHOULD BE A REFUGE FROM THE INSANITY OF OUR CITY.

UM, FUN, INSANITY, UH, BRAWLING, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

AND THAT WE REALLY THROUGH SIGNAGE THROUGH A PARKS COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO BE CONVEYING THAT THESE PLACES ARE FOR RECREATION OF A DIFFERENT KIND.

THAT'S HEALTHY, AND THAT'S FUN FOR ALL FOR CHILDREN, ESPECIALLY, BUT FOR FAMILIES AND FOR EVERYONE.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU NEED A BEER, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO ABOUT 600 YARDS DOWN ON BARTON SPRINGS ROAD.

SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS.

THAT CONCLUDES SPEAKER COMMUNICATION.

ALL RIGHT, CHAIR.

THAT, UH, I HAVE HAD WITH A LOT DEPARTMENT AND THAT WE'VE HAD HAD WITH THE BOARD.

I KNOW IT'S ON THE CHAIR.

NOPE.

BY NOW I HAVE MASTERED THE RED LIGHT, BUT OKAY.

AND IT WAS A HOPE, EVERYBODY HEARD WHAT I HAD TO SAY.

IT WAS BASICALLY THANK YOU FOR COMING.

IT WAS BRILLIANT.

ANYWAYS, MOVING ON TO DIRECTOR MCNEELY.

DID YOU WANT TO DO A PRESENTATION? I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO, UM, I WILL GO THROUGH IT, UM, EXPEDITIOUSLY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY ON BEHALF OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT I DO APPRECIATE OUR STAFF THAT CAME OUT TONIGHT TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES.

AND I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

AND I HOPE THAT, UM, POST THIS, I WILL TAKE SOME VISITS OVER TO BARTON SPRINGS AND BEING ABLE TO MEET YOU PERSONALLY.

UM, UH, THAT IS THE WORK THAT OUR TEAM DOES, RIGHT? WE CAN'T SERVE THE PUBLIC IF WE DIDN'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE HERE.

AND SO WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ALWAYS IN AGREEMENT ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AS TO POLICY THAT DOESN'T NEGATE, NOR IN ANY WAY, TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORK THAT, UM, THAT OUR LIFEGUARDS DO AND THAT OUR CASHIERS DO.

AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY ARE WE HERE AGAIN TODAY? WE ALREADY VOTED THIS DOWN.

UM, THAT WAS, UM, A CONVERSATION

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AND THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT IN ORDER FOR THE VOTE TO BE AS SUCCINCT AND AS, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS, I'M LOSING MY WORDS, BUT FOR IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION AS TO WHAT THIS BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION WAS, RIGHT.

THAT THERE WAS NO QUESTION AS TO WHAT THE BOARD RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT WE WOULD, UM, BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR, FOR A VOTE SO THAT WE COULD, UM, HOPEFULLY HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS AFFIRMATIVE SIX TO SOMETHING, RIGHT, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.

IT'S NOT AN INTENTION TO, FOR A LONGEST, IT'S NOT AN INTENTION TO, UM, TO MAKE FOLKS LIKE YOURSELF, HAVE TO COME OUT AGAIN, BUT IT IS AN INTENTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS BOARD FELT VERY COMFORTABLE, THAT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WERE BRINGING FORWARD, UM, WAS FLAWLESS.

IF THAT, IF I COULD SAY IT THAT WAY.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

UM, I ALSO WANT TO APPRECIATE OR GIVE APPRECIATION TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO SPOKE BECAUSE SOMETIMES LIKE, UM, BOARD MEMBER, DAVE ALMA SAID, THINGS WERE A LITTLE BIT, UH, HEATED LAST TIME.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT FOR THOSE WHO SPOKE THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING, UM, IN, IN KINDLY ABOUT OUR VENDOR, BECAUSE OUR VENDOR IS SOMEBODY WHO WAS COMING FORWARD.

IT WAS NICE TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU APPRECIATED THEM, THAT YOU THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD DO A GOOD JOB, BUT THAT THE ISSUE HERE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE INDIVIDUALS HAS TO DO WITH THE SALE OF ALCOHOL.

IT'S NOT PERSONAL TO THE VENDOR.

AND THAT THE VENDOR IS SOMEONE WHO, UM, WHO, WHO YOU COULD ACTUALLY APPRECIATE AND BELIEVES WOULD DO, WOULD DO AN APPROPRIATE JOB.

SO THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.

SO WITH THAT SAID, THIS IS THE LAST TIME.

NEXT, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

JUST IN SUMMARY.

UM, I WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE CAFE RENOVATIONS WERE COMPLETED, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED TO COME FORWARD WITH THE FOOD CONCESSION, OR THERE WAS A FOOD CONCESSION HERE PRIOR TO US BRINGING THIS FORWARD RIGHT NOW.

BUT BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN A LONGTERM RENOVATION OF THAT HISTORICAL SPACE, IT TOOK US SOME TIME TO GET IT TO THE PARKS BOARD.

THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS A, IS A PERMIT THAT ALLOWS IT'S A SPECIAL CONDITION, RIGHT? SO THIS IS STILL REMAINS, UH, UM, UH, PARK ZONE, RIGHT? IT STILL REMAINS IT'S OWNED PARK, WHICH MEANS THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU COULD SELL BEER ALCOHOL FOR A PERMANENT TIME WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT PHRASE SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT OFF, RIGHT? BECAUSE A PERMIT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S TEMPORARY, BUT THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN IN CODE.

SO THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING A SPECIAL OVERLAY THAT ALLOWS FOR THE SALE IN A VERY SPECIFIC LOCATION WITHIN THIS PARK.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

UM, I, WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PREVIOUS ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN BY THE PARKS BOARD AND BY THE CONTACT AND CONCESSIONS COMMITTEE THAT WERE TAKEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

AND SO, LIKE I SAID, IT TOOK SOME TIME TO GET THIS HERE TODAY.

SO I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME DIFFERENCES OF OPINION THREE YEARS AGO, OR TWO YEARS AGO THAN THERE ARE TODAY.

WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION OF THE BOARD AND WE HAVE A DIFFERENT MINDSET, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO BELIEVE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT THE STAFF WAS PUSHING THIS THROUGH BECAUSE WE ARE, WE FAILED TO LISTEN TO WHAT IT IS THAT WE WERE W WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO US.

WE WE'VE HEARD YOU.

AND WE'VE ALSO HEARD OTHERS SAY THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN IDEA THAT WOULD ENHANCE, UM, SOME PEOPLE'S OPPORTUNITIES AT THE PARK.

I'M HEARING YOU TODAY, THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT FROM A PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE, AND FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE ONLY HERE TODAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HEARD THAT THIS WAS AN ENHANCEMENT.

UM, I UNDER, I HEARD WHAT MR BUNCH SAID, AND HE DOESN'T AGREE NECESSARILY WHO HAS THE SOVEREIGN ENTITY, BUT WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT AFTER THIS, IT WILL GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR IT TO GO TO THE OCTOBER 12TH PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION THAT DATE MAY CHANGE.

AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THOSE INDIVIDUALS INFORMED OF THAT DATE.

UM, THAT THERE ARE OTHER SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE THAT HAVE TO DO WITH T T A B C LICENSING, AND THAT OUR CONCESSIONAIRE IS FULLY CAPABLE OF THOSE.

UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T SET THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DATE, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME, SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT KEEP IT FROM BEING ABLE TO GO THERE ON THE 12TH THAT WE WERE JUST RECENTLY TOLD ABOUT NEXT SLIDE CLARIFICATIONS, PLEASE KNOW THAT THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDED PUBLIC COMMENT FROM 2018 AND 2019, AND IT WAS INCLUSIVE OF AN ACTION TO INCLUDE BEER AND WINE.

AND IT WENT THROUGH THE STANDARD SOLICITATION PROCESS.

PLEASE KNOW THAT, UM, THAT WE DO HAVE SOME OPERATIONAL CONTROLS IN PLACE AS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

THOSE OPERATIONAL CONTROLS ARE NOT MEANT TO KEEP THE PUBLIC OUT.

THEY'RE MEANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MANAGING, IF THERE IS ALCOHOL SALES, BEER, AND WINE, THAT WE ARE MANAGING THAT WITHIN THE PERIMETER OF, OF THAT SPACE.

UM, WE DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT,

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AND WE ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A MISNOMER ABOUT, OR AT LEAST SOME FOLKS HAD SAID THAT PERHAPS THE REASON WHY, UH, WE WERE SO INTERESTED IN THIS IS BECAUSE WE WERE SOMEHOW GOING TO GENERATE ALL THIS REVENUE THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH ZILKER PARK, BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT THIS REVENUE GOES RIGHT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO THERE'S NO DIRECT BENEFIT TO ZILKER PARK.

AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I CLEAR UP SOME OF THOSE, THOSE MISCONCEPTIONS.

UM, I THINK THAT WE DID HEAR ABOUT THERE BEING A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AS TO WHETHER SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES THAT SELL ALCOHOL, WHETHER THOSE ARE SIMILAR TO THIS OR DIFFERENT THAN THIS.

BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THERE ARE OTHER SUCCESSFUL LOCATIONS THAT ARE FAMILY FRIENDLY THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN THE PARK, BUT THROUGHOUT, UM, THE CITY.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC.

THERE ARE ALSO SPACES ON PUBLIC LAND THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS, WHERE, WHERE THERE IS A SUCCESSFUL ABILITY TO HAVE ALCOHOL IN A FAMILY-FRIENDLY SPACE.

WE JUST RECENTLY AS A BOARD, NOT NEW DANIMALS, BUT AS A BOARD, WE DID RECENTLY HEAR FROM THE BOARD THAT THEY, THAT THEY DID APPROVE, UM, RECOMMENDING MOVING FORWARD A CUP FOUR FOR WATERLOO PARK.

AND AS OTHERS HAD MENTIONED THAT WE DO HAVE ALCOHOL SALES AT REPUBLIC SQUARE, AND WE DO HAVE ALCOHOL SALES AT THE BOAT HOUSE.

AND WE HAVEN'T HAD, UH, INCIDENTS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THAT HAVE BEEN RECORDED THAT HAVE BEEN, THAT HAVE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED THOSE OPERATIONS.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE OUR EXPERIENCES WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM.

UM, I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE FEEL AS THOUGH THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS INTO A DESTINATION SPACE.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, BARTON SPRINGS IS ALREADY A DESTINATION.

ZILKER PARK IS ALREADY A DESTINATION.

UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST BARTON SPRINGS, BUT IT'S THE, IT'S ALSO THE TRAIN THAT WOULD MAKE IT A DESTINATION LOCATION.

IT'S ALSO THE, UM, THE ZILKER, UM, DISC GOLF THAT MAKES IT A DESTINATION.

IT'S THE GREAT LINE WHERE YOU CAN BRING YOUR DOGS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, AN OPEN AREA FOR DOGS TO PLAY THAT ALL, MAKE IT A DESTINATION.

SO BRINGING A CONCESSION HERE IS NOT AN INTENTION TO MAKE IT MORE OF A DESTINATION.

IT'S AN INTENTION TO ALLOW THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY COMING TO THE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A CONCESSION.

AND THERE WAS A CONCESSION HERE BEFORE, AND THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER SELLING BEER AND WINE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN WHAT PEOPLE HAD BEFORE.

UM, NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS JUST A LIST OF ALL THE, THE, UM, WORK THAT WENT INTO THE SOLICITATIONS PRIOR TO THE SOLICITATION.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOLICITATION PRE SOLICITATION MEETINGS AND THAT THERE WERE PUBLIC MEETINGS ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2018 AND 2019.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS ALL TO YOU.

IT DID COME BEFORE THE PARKS BOARD, WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK, THE PARKS BOARD AT THE TIME DID SAY THAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CONSIDER THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE IN A SCOPE OF WORK.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THAT ENDED UP IN THE SCOPE OF WORK.

AND THAT'S WHY THERE WAS A VENDOR THAT CAME FORWARD.

AND SO LASTLY, ON THE LAST PAGE, WE ARE HERE TO ASK THE, OOPS, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE LAST PAGE, BUT I'M NOT MY APOLOGIES.

THESE ARE ALL THE BASIC TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, AND THERE'S BEEN THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THE VENDOR CONTRACT.

AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO THE PARKS BOARD MEMBERS AND TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BASICS OF THE CONTRACT WERE, BECAUSE THOSE WERE THINGS THAT, UM, WERE QUESTIONS DURING THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC MEETING.

AND MAYBE THEY WERE QUESTIONS THAT CAME THROUGH TO THE DEPARTMENT, UM, AS TO WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE BASE TERMS OF THIS CONTRACT? SO WE'VE OUTLINED THEM HERE.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THESE BASE TERMS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE CONTRACTS THAT I NAMED EARLIER, UM, THAT ARE ALSO, UH, CURRENTLY HAVING CONCESSIONS.

AND CURRENTLY I'M ABLE TO SELL BEER AND WINE.

THIS IS THIS NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS THE SITE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE PART IN GREEN WOULD BE THE, UM, THE OUTLINED AREA IN WHICH THE CONCESSION, UH, WOULD CORDON OFF THE AREA, AGAIN, NOT TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT, BUT TO KEEP, IF THERE WERE TO BE, UM, BEER AND WINE SALES, TO KEEP THE BEER AND WINE IN THIS AREA, THERE HAD BEEN SOME CONCERNS THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE BEVERAGE CARTS AND THAT THEY WOULD BE DRIVING THROUGHOUT ZILKER PARK.

THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS CONTRACT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THERE WILL NOT BE, UM, CARTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING THROUGHOUT ZILKER THAT WOULD SERVE ALCOHOL.

I THINK THAT THAT WAS A MISCONCEPTION, AT LEAST THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS.

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UM, WE KNOW THAT THE VENDOR HAS THAT WELL-DEFINED AREA.

WE KNOW THAT, UM, THERE'S A DEMARCATION WITH RAILS AND FENCING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THE, THE ALCOHOL IN THIS SPACE.

AND WE KNOW THAT THE AREA IS JUST OVER 6,500 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS LESS THAN 0.4% OF ZILKER PARK.

SO WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE ASKING THE PARKS BOARD TO, UM, VOTE JUST LIKE YOU HAD BEFORE, UH, WITH THE SAME INFORMATION AND WITH A LITTLE BIT OF NEW INFORMATION AS TO WHETHER YOU WOULD DENY OR RECOMMEND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, UM, FOR THIS SPACE.

AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR CONTRACT MANAGER HERE AND CHRISTINA HERE, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT I'M UNABLE TO ANSWER.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MCNEELY.

GIVING THE IMPRESSION THAT ALCOHOL AND SOCIALIZING MUST GO HAND IN HAND.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU BOARD MEMBER, COTTON SEIBEL.

I JUST WANT TO COMMENT.

I GAVE A LONG SPEECH LAST TIME.

I THINK EVERYBODY REMEMBERS.

UM, BUT I WANTED TO READ A COUPLE OF LETTERS.

I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL SPEAKING ABOUT THIS, BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT THE EXPERTS HAVE TO SAY.

ONE OF THEM COMES FROM DELL CHILDREN'S ESSENTIAL HOSPITAL AND THE, UM, ERIC HIGGINBOTHAM N D F A P F A C P DIVISION, CHIEF AND MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF PEDIATRIC EMERGENCY MEDLINE AT DELL.

AND THEIR LETTER SAYS DATED AUGUST 19TH, 2021, DEAR AUSTIN PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEMBERS AND PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ON BEHALF OF DELL CHILDREN'S DROWNING PREVENTION AND WATER SAFETY PROGRAM.

WE ARE WRITING IN OPPOSITION TO ALLOWING ALCOHOL SALES AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL IN AUSTIN, TEXAS MIXING ALCOHOL USE AND WATER ACTIVITY HAS SEVERAL POTENTIAL RISKS THAT INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF A SEVERE DROWNING EVENT, ESPECIALLY IN DEEP COLD WATER, SUCH AS BARTON SPRINGS, DROWNING IS A TERRIBLE BUT PREVENTABLE TRAGEDY.

THAT TAKES THE LIVES OF NEARLY 340 TEXANS A YEAR IN CENTRAL TEXAS, DELL CHILDREN'S MEDICAL CENTER TRADES, APPROXIMATELY 40 PEDIATRIC PATIENTS EACH YEAR FOR DROWNING RELATED INCIDENTS AS AN EMERGENCY MEDICAL MEDICINE PHYSICIAN REPRESENTING THE ONLY LEVEL ONE PEDIATRIC TRAUMA HOSPITAL IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.

I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THESE FACTORS, RISK FACTORS.

IT IS HEARTBREAKING TO TELL PARENTS THEIR CHILD HAS DIED OR IS SUFFERING A MASSIVE, MASSIVE NEUROLOGICAL INJURY THAT WILL CHANGE THEIR LIFE AND THEIR CHILD'S LIFE FOREVER.

CHILDREN ARE PARTICULARLY AT RISK AS DROWNING IS THE LEA AS DROWNING IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF UNINTENTIONAL INJURY DEATHS FOR CHILDREN.

ONE TO FOUR YEARS OLD, WHO NEEDED TO BE CLOSELY AND ATTENTIVELY SUPERVISED AROUND ALL TYPES OF WATER.

SEVERAL FACTORS INCREASE THE RISK OF DROWNING, INCLUDING LACK OF SUPERVISION AND ALCOHOL USE WITH THE PHYSIOLOGICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPAIRMENTS OF ALCOHOL SUPERVISION.

BEHAVIORS MAY BE AFFECTED PUTTING CHILDREN AT HIGHER RISK FOR DROWNING, EVEN WITH ADEQUATE LIFEGUARD COVERAGE AT BARTON SPRINGS, FULL SUPERVISION IS THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CAREGIVER.

THE RISK INCREASES FOR CHILDREN.

IF THAT CAREGIVER IS SLIGHTLY IMPAIRED, DUE TO ALCOHOL USE, ADDITIONALLY ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION AROUND WATER, ALSO DROWNING RISK FOR ADULTS DUE TO THE IMPAIRED MOTOR ABILITY COORDINATION AND INCREASED RISK TAKING BEHAVIOR IN A STUDY OF DROWNING DEATHS AMONG ADOLESCENTS AND ADULTS, ALCOHOL WAS DETECTED AND UP TO 70% OF INDIVIDUALS ASSOCIATED WITH DROWNING DURING A WATER RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY.

IN CONCLUSION, WE STRONGLY DISCOURAGED SELLING AND CONSUMING ALCOHOL WHILE SWIMMING AND DURING OTHER RECREATIONAL WATER ACTIVITIES, DROWNING IS 100% PREVENTABLE AND WE ENCOURAGE OUR COMMUNITY TO ENGAGE IN SAFE AND HEALTHY BEHAVIORS, ESPECIALLY AROUND BODIES OF WATER, ANYTHING, AND EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT DROWNING.

AND THE ATTENDANT MORTALITY AND MORBIDITY IS NEEDED AT EVERY LEVEL.

ANYONE CAN DROWN, BUT NO ONE SHOULD REGARD ERIC.

HIGGINBOTHAM ALL THOSE THINGS I SAID BEFORE.

AND ELIZABETH BOREALIS MPH, DROWNING PREVENTION COORDINATOR, DELL CHILDREN'S ESSENTIAL.

I HAVE ONE OTHER LETTER, UM, THIS IN ADDITION TO MORE THAN 300 LETTERS, WE GOT AN OPPOSITION OF THIS, UH, DON LEWIS ID, DEAR CHAIR LEWIS.

MY NAME IS NICOLE HOLT, AND I SERVE AS THE CEO OF TEXANS FOR SAFE AND DRUG-FREE YOUTH, THE LATE STATES LEADING ORGANIZATION, WORKING TO END UNDERAGE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, AND OTHER DRUG USE.

I WRITE TO YOU TODAY ON BEHALF OF OUR ORGANIZATION AND AS AN AUSTIN RESIDENT AND OPPOSITION TO AUSTIN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT'S PROPOSAL TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT A CONCESSION STAND AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

THIS PROPOSAL WILL HAVE SEVERAL NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY POOL PATRONS.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR YOUTH, WHILE MEDIA MIGHT LEAD US TO BELIEVE A MAJORITY OF ADULTS DRINK REGULARLY AND HEAVILY DATA ACTUALLY SHOW MOST PEOPLE ARE MODERATE DRINKERS.

IF THEY DRINK AT ALL, ALCOHOL IS NOT AN ORDINARY COMMODITY LIKE MILK JUICE, MILK, OR JUICE OR ICE CREAM.

ALCOHOL IS AN IMPAIRING SUBSTANCE, AND THAT IS WHY WE DON'T NEED IT AVAILABLE EVERYWHERE WE GO.

KIDS AND FAMILIES ESPECIALLY NEED PLACES THAT ARE ALCOHOL FREE.

THE PROPOSED SALE OF ALCOHOL LOCATED NEAR A PLAYGROUND AND A TRAIN, AS WELL AS THE POOL.

ALSO PERPETUALLY SIZES.

THE NORMAL PERPETUATES THE NORMALIZATION OF DRINKING,

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THIS IS THE WRONG MESSAGE TO SEND OUR CHILDREN AND EVEN FURTHER ERODES THE UNIQUE, SAFE CULTURE AND ENVIRONMENT BARTON SPRINGS POOL HAS SUSTAINED FOR DECADES.

RESEARCH SHOWS THAT A YOUNG PERSON'S ENVIRONMENT INFERENCE INFLUENCES THEIR DECISION TO DRINK OUR BEHAVIOR.

AS ADULTS SEND THE MOST POWERFUL MESSAGES TO OUR CHILDREN, RATHER THAN SIGNALING TO THEM THAT ALCOHOL IS NECESSARY.

A NECESSARY COMPONENT OF A PARK VISIT.

PEOPLE CAN EASILY WALK INTO AN ESTABLISHMENT ON BARTON SPRINGS ROAD TO HAVE A DRINK AND A LOCATION THAT IS NOT RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAYSCAPE WHERE THE KIDS ARE PLAYING.

WHILE SOME MAY CLAIM HIS PROPOSAL POSES, LITTLE TO NO RISK OF UNDERAGE DRINKING.

THIS IS SIMPLY NOT THE REALITY.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOUNG PEOPLE TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE TO OBTAIN ALCOHOL AND PROVIDING ALCOHOL AT A VENUE KNOWN TO BE FREQUENTED BY YOUTH SIMPLY CREATES NEW EASY ACCESS FOR THEM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALCOHOL IS BY FAR THE MOST WIDELY USED DRUG BY YOUTH.

ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE ON ALCOHOL ABUSE AND ALCOHOLISM.

ALCOHOL IS A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN A WIDE RANGE OF, FOR PEOPLE UNDER THE AGE OF 21 IN THE UNITED STATES EACH YEAR.

THIS INCLUDES VEHICLE CRASHES, FALLS, SEXUAL ASSAULTS, OVERDOSES, AND DEATHS, SUCH AS DROWNINGS AND SUICIDES.

EXCESSIVE USE ALCOHOL USE HAS ALREADY A CONCERN IN TEXAS.

AUSTIN IS NO EXCEPTION.

SADLY, OUR REGION OF THE STATE RANKS SECOND ON THE LIST WITH THE MOST KIDS AGE 12 TO 20 THAT CURRENTLY USE ALCOHOL THAT IS CITED AS THE NATIONAL SURVEY ON DRUG USE AND HEALTH.

THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR THAT UNDERAGE DRINKING PRESENTS IMMEDIATE AND LONGTERM HEALTH CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUNG ADULTS, LIMITING BRAIN DEVELOPMENT TO INCREASING THE LIKELIHOOD OF ADDICTION OR SUBSTANCE USE PROB ABUSE PROBLEMS AND FEELING RISKY DECISIONS AND BEHAVIOR AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL RISKY DECISIONS AND BEHAVIOR IS PARTICULARLY CONCERNING MIXING ALCOHOL INTAKE WITH SWIMMING AS A SCENARIO RIPE FOR HARM.

IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY DEADLY.

ALCOHOL IS PROVEN TO IMPAIR BALANCE JUDGMENT AND COORDINATION AND PEOPLE EVEN MORE SO IN YOUTH AND ON-SITE INJURY AND DEATH INCREASES EXPONENTIALLY WITH ALCOHOL AND CLOSE PROXIMITY.

WE MUST NOT CHANGE THE EXISTING CULTURE AND INTEGRITY OF BARTON SPRINGS BY SELLING ALCOHOL BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

A CROWN JEWEL OF OUR CITY IS WELL KNOWN AS A SPACE THAT IS WELCOMING AND SAFE FOR FAMILY HERE.

VISITORS OF ALL AGES KNOW THEY CAN ENJOY NATURE COOL OFF FROM THE TEXAS HEAT AND HAVE AN ESCAPE WITH THE DOWNTOWN SKYLINE, RIGHT IN VIEW, ALLOWING THIS PROPOSAL TO MOVE FORWARD WILL CREATE DANGEROUS RISKS AND DIMINISH ONE OF AUSTIN'S GREATEST TREASURE.

PLEASE VOTE NOW.

SINCERELY NICOLE HOLTZ, CEO, TEXANS FOR SAFE AND DRUG FOR YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH GORDON MEMBERS.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I RESPECT EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THOSE LETTERS AND CERTAINLY THOSE ARE HIGHLY CREDENTIALED INDIVIDUALS, BUT I, I NEED, I FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY THAT ON BEHALF OF THE VENDOR.

I DON'T THINK I KNOW.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY, I DON'T THINK I KNOW THERE WAS NO INTENTION FOR THAT VENDOR TO SELL ALCOHOL TO UNDERAGE INDIVIDUALS.

AND I KNOW THERE WERE OTHER POINTS IN THOSE.

I KNOW THERE WAS OTHER POINTS IN THOSE LETTERS, BUT I JUST FEEL COMPELLED TO BE ABLE TO SAY, I WANT TO REGISTER IN RESPONSE TO THAT, KIMBERLY, THAT I DON'T DOUBT THAT ALL, BUT THEY HAVE ALL THE PROPER CREDENTIALING, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IN THE WORLD WILL STOP SOMEBODY FROM GETTING THE ALCOHOL IF THEY WANT IT.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE PLANNING TO GO AND OVERSEE THEIR CHILDREN AFTER THEY'VE HAD A DRINK, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS ADDRESSING.

IT IS NOT AT ALL A CRITIQUE OF THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

THIS IS A CRITIQUE ABOUT THE ALCOHOL YOUTH NEAR THE POOL.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BOARD MEMBER.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO SOME OF OUR VIRTUAL BOARD MEMBER HAGMAN.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTAND.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

AND I THINK YOU MAY HAVE HEARD FROM SOME INDIVIDUALS IN THE LAST BOARD MEETINGS, AND I KNOW YOU WEREN'T WITH US BOARD MEMBER HAD MEN WHERE PEOPLE SAID, YEAH, I WOULDN'T MIND GOING FOR A JOG AND THEN BEING ABLE TO STOP AND HAVE A BEER.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE MOTIVATION IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK THERE'S EXCELLENT ARGUMENT PRESENTED.

UH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW WELL THOUGHT OUT ALL THESE COMMENTS AND LETTERS ARE, AND I'M KIND OF A NEWCOMER, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT THE MOTIVATION IS.

I UNDERSTAND THE PROFITS GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO, SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH THE CITY, WHAT IS THE COMPELLING REASON WHY WE WOULD WANT TO SELL ALCOHOL? IS IT JUST FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF PATRONS OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THERE? REALLY GREAT.

SO, UM, THANK YOU, UM, BOARD NUMBER HUFFMAN FOR THE QUESTION.

SO WHILE I REALIZED THAT THERE ARE MANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE OR WHO MAY, UM, DISPUTE THIS, THAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE HAD THIS ORIGINAL CONVERSATION BACK IN 2018 AND 2019, THAT THERE WAS AN EXPRESSED DESIRE FOR US TO EXPLORE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THAT HAVING THIS AVAILABLE OPTION TO OUR PATRONS OF THE PARK MIGHT BE AN EXPERIENCE THAT INDIVIDUALS MIGHT WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO EXPLORE AND TO, UM, CON HAVE WHILE THEY GO TO A PARK.

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AND I, I FEEL LIKE I CAN DRINK RESPONSIBLY.

AND I WOULDN'T MIND BEING ABLE TO HAVE A FAMILY DAY OUT AND GET SOMETHING TO EAT AT THIS PARTICULAR CONCESSION.

THEN ALSO GRAB A GLASS OF WINE WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE HAVING, UM, WHILE WE'RE HAVING OUR MEAL, UM, SIMILAR TO MAYBE SOME EXPERIENCES THAT ARE IN OTHER PLACES.

AND I REALLY DO ENJOY ZILKER PARK, AND THIS MIGHT BE AN OPERA.

THIS MIGHT BE AN ACTIVITY THAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INCLUDE IN MY EXPERIENCE THERE.

AND I RECOGNIZE NOT EVERYBODY SAID THAT, BUT THAT IS THE MOTIVATION BEHIND IT IS THAT THERE WAS AN EXPRESSION THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN EXPERIENCE PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE WHEN THEY GO TO ZILKER.

THANK YOU, KIMBERLY.

I, I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT, UH, YOU OPEN THE FLOOD GATES WITH THIS DECISION AND EVERY PARK IN AUSTIN GOING FORWARD IS GOING TO HAVE JUSTIFICATION FOR WANTING ALCOHOL SALES IN THEIR PARK.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU PAINT THE PICTURE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, A CITY THAT SELLS ALCOHOL AND ALL OF ITS PARKS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT HER AUSTIN.

IT'LL BE HARD TO TELL PEOPLE NO, IN THE FUTURE.

BOARD MEMBER HUG, MAN.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE REMEMBER HAGMAN DID FOR ME.

UM, HOW ABOUT VICE? GO AHEAD.

DID YOU WANT SHE'S? I THINK SHE'S, SHE'LL BE HERE AND THERE SHE IS.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE SHE WAS, SHE WAS GOOD.

GO REMEMBER THE, CARLA, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, SIR? UM, YEAH.

UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION DIRECTOR, MCNEELY.

THANK YOU FOR, UM, EVERYONE COMING AND VOICING YOUR OPINIONS IN MORE THAN ONE TIME.

UM, I, AND, UM, REMAIN MY, MY POSITION HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT WE VOTED ON THIS ISSUE.

I'M STILL OPPOSED TO THE ALCOHOL SALES AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION AT THE ZILKER PARK CAFE.

UM, THERE ARE MANY POINTS OF ARGUMENTS, UH, BEFORE, UH, FOR AND AGAINST.

UM, BUT I, I WON'T BORE EVERYONE AND GO INTO IT ALL HERE.

UM, I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS, HAS SPOKEN ON THIS ISSUE.

UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE VAST MAJORITY OF, OF RESIDENTS, UM, WHO HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH US DO NOT WANT THE ALCOHOL SALES AT THIS LOCATION.

AND SO I WANT TO SUPPORT, UH, WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID.

AND, UM, I, SO I REMAIN AGAINST THE SALE OF ALCOHOL AT THIS LOCATION, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

PARKS, WE HAVE FOLKS AND WE'VE DEALT WITH IT ON THE GREENBELT, WHETHER IT IS LOUD MUSIC, EXCESSIVE ALCOHOL, AND THE FACT THAT THAT OUR STAFF MEMBERS ARE IN HEARING THEIR FIRST HOUSE COUNTS, HOW THEY'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.

THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBER TO CARLA, UH, VICE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.

I LET YOU GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR COM.

SURE.

CAUSE I COULDN'T WAIT.

NO, GO AHEAD.

I THINK WE CAN HEAR A DIFFERENT VIEW OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID, ALL PEOPLE, ALL COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, ALL OF AUSTIN.

AND THAT IS WHAT MY GOAL IS BECAUSE OFTEN WE HAVE ONE DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP THAT INFLUENCES HOW WE ENJOY OUR PARKS AND IT'S WHAT THEY ENJOY, HOW THEY USE OUR PARKS.

IT'S NOT WHAT THEY, DON'T THE OPTICS, YOU KNOW, THAT LENS ON EQUITY COMES ON ONLY WHEN THEY TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, PUT THE GLASSES ON, BUT THEY CAN TAKE THE GLASSES OFF.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO PROTECT BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER VOICES OUT THERE, BUT THERE'S NO DOUBT THE SOS COMMUNITY IN THE SIERRA CLUB COMMITTEE COMMUNITY COM CAME OUT STRONG AND THE, THE, THE FORM EMAILS WERE GREAT.

AND THEN THE PERSONALIZED EMAILS WERE, WERE WONDERFUL.

MY CONCERN IS THIS WHOLE NATURE ABOUT KIND OF LIKE BRINGING BACK THE 18TH AMENDMENT AND THE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE WHAT WE BELIEVE, THEN THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG THERE.

NOW HAVING SAID ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS COMPELLING TO ME WAS OUR STAFF MEMBERS, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH MY PERSPECTIVE IS, AND THOSE SHARED BY SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE NOT AS VOCAL, BECAUSE FRANKLY THEY'VE BEEN SCARED AWAY AND THAT'S THEIR CHOICE TO BE SCARED AWAY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT PERSPECTIVE SHARED BY WITH ME, PARTICULARLY AFTER THE LAST VOTE WAS, HEY MAN, I JUST WANT TO, AFTER A SWIM WITH MY BUDDY TO GO HAVE A GLASS OF WINE, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, AFTER TAKING THE KIDS OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GRAB SOMETHING TO EAT OVER AT THE CAFE, HAVE A BEER.

AND I GET THE FACT THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS THAT WAY.

I TOTALLY GET THAT.

NOBODY'S FORCING YOU TO DRINK.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I DO APPRECIATE THOUGH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BAD BEHAVIORS IN OUR

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SO THAT'S MEANINGFUL.

SO ONE, I GOT TO SAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO ADD TO THAT LOAD.

WE REALLY DON'T.

UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC.

THAT'S COMING TO HAVE THIS VOICE BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE.

THE DECISION MAKING, GOING BACK TO, WE SAID EARLIER, BE MORE INCLUSIVE TO DECISION-MAKING.

IT IS MOSTLY THE SAME FOLKS THAT I SEE FOR THE LAST SIX AND A HALF YEARS.

I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.

AND WHEN IT'S THAT LENS, IT INFORMS EVERYTHING.

BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE EQUITY.

I'M SURE, PARTICULARLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD WAS ON OTHER AGENDA ITEMS IN THE FUTURE.

SO I DO WANT TO STRAIGHTEN THE RECORD ON SOME THINGS, OR ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF ELABORATE MORE BECAUSE WHEN ANOTHER MEMBER HAD TALKED ABOUT MY BRINGING UP A CONEY ISLAND AND I DON'T SEE, OH, THERE'S BRIGHTON BEACH AT CONEY ISLAND, WHERE THE FIRST EXAMPLE I USED WAS SAND CASTLE AT LAKE NICOLE MIS RUN BY MINNEAPOLIS PARKS AND BOARD.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE INCIDENTS OF SAFETY, EVERY SINGLE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD TO DATE HAS HAD TO DO WITH EITHER THE POOL BEING OVERCROWDED OR A POOL BEING OVERCROWDED OR AN UNDERTOW, IF IT'S NOT ACTUALLY IN A TRADITIONAL POOL.

SO IF WE ARE GOING TO TRULY, AS ONE SPEAKER SAY, TAKE ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, SAFETY FIRST LET'S CARRY ON THE DISCUSSION.

LIKE I REQUESTED THAT THE LAST TIME AND TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY OVER AT BARTON SPRINGS.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF POOLS.

LET'S LOOK AT THE EQUITY QUESTION AS FAR AS HOW POOLS ARE USED AND WHO ARE USING THEM THEM AS WELL.

LET'S LOOK AT THE BUDGET.

LET'S LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY MEMBERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE MEMBERSHIPS.

LET'S LOOK AT THOSE FEES.

SO THIS IS UNDER THAT WHOLE UMBRELLA.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A HOLISTIC LOOK, LET'S DO IT.

LET'S JUST NOT USE SOME LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS THIS ONE ITEM.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO BOTHER ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S VOICE.

I APPRECIATE THE STAFF MORE THAN ANYTHING BECAUSE I KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS.

AND I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND.

I'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO INTERVENE ON FEW OCCASIONS OVER THE YEARS IN DIFFERENT SPOTS.

AND SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING THE PALMER.

REMEMBER, UH, OH, MAYBE COME BACK.

WE'RE MEMBER OF HEALTH.

A REAL RISK FOR THOSE, THOSE CHILDREN.

UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS IS OUR THIRD VOTE, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE PRESENT FOR THE VOTE ON THE MERITS.

I WAS ABSENT FROM THE JUNE 22ND MEETING, UM, FOR MY MOTHER-IN-LAW'S MEMORIAL SERVICE.

UM, AND SO I DID TONIGHT PREPARE, UH, A SHORT PRESENTATION THAT I'D LIKE TO RUN THROUGH.

I FELT LIKE THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH DISCUSSION AND I HAVE DONE SO MUCH RESEARCH AND SPOKEN TO SO MANY PEOPLE AND RECEIVED SO MANY COMMUNICATIONS THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO COLLECT ALL OF THAT INTO ONE PRESENTATION ALSO BECAUSE THERE WILL BE OTHER, UH, AT LEAST ONE OTHER BOARD VOTING ON THIS MATTER I WANTED TO HAVE IN THE RECORD, JUST KIND OF A COLLECTION OF WHAT I AS A BOARD MEMBER HAVE LOOKED INTO, UM, AND, AND LEARNED ABOUT THE ISSUE.

UM, I WANTED TO START BY SAYING TO THE BARTON SPRINGS, LIFEGUARDS AND CASHIERS, WE'VE RECEIVED SOME, A LOT OF EMAILS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT USE THE POOL ON THIS ISSUE.

AND I WISH THAT YOU, I COULD PICK OUT AND FORWARD TO THE STAFF, EVERY EMAIL THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU ARE APPRECIATED AND, UM, WHAT YOU DO FOR OUR CITY, THAT YOU HAVE A HARD JOB AND YOU DO A GREAT JOB.

AND WHEREVER PEOPLE ARE ON THIS ISSUE, THERE WAS A LOT OF APPRECIATION FOR THE AQUATIC STAFF AT THE POOL AND THE LIFEGUARDS.

AND SO I KNOW YOU GUYS, AREN'T GETTING THOSE EMAILS AND I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD.

IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL, EVERYBODY THAT USES THE POOL DOES.

UM, AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO EVERYBODY THAT WROTE IN OR CAME TO A MEETING.

UM, WE, WE APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT

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SO MUCH.

AND I, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN A LONG HAUL, IT FEELS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST AN ENDURANCE RACE WITH THIS, BUT IF YOU CAN TAKE TIME TO REACH OUT AND SHARE YOUR COMMENTS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, IF THAT MEETING GOES FORWARD ON OCTOBER 12TH, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT NEXT STEP, REGARDLESS OF HOW WE VOTE TONIGHT.

UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

UM, SO I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AS TO WHAT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS BECAUSE IT HAS THE WORD PERMIT IN IT.

SO I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND READ SOME OF THE LAND CODES.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S AN ALLOWED USE WITHIN A ZONING DESIGNATION.

SO IT'S NOT A PERMIT.

WE'RE NOT ISSUING IT TO THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR.

IT'S ABOUT THE ACTUAL LAND THAT SITS THERE.

AND SO THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S THE BUILDING AND THE SEATING AREA THAT WILL BE FENCED OFF THAT WOULD BE DESIGNATED AS APPROPRIATE FOR ALCOHOL SALES WITHIN THE PARK.

UM, THIS DESIGNATION DOES NOT EXPIRE.

AND I ASKED HOW IF, IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT BECAUSE I DID SOME OF THE EMAILS SAID, CAN WE JUST TRY IT? UM, IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, IF IT'S CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT, THAT'S WE AGREE IS NOT COMFORTABLE OR SAFE, HOW DO WE UNDO IT? UM, SO I JUST ASKED, HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO IT STUFF? THE RESPONSE WAS, THEY'RE NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION.

THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY PRECEDENT.

UM, IT WOULD BE A REZONING PROBABLY, AND THEY LAID OUT A PROCESS THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD IN THE PROCESS.

IF IT GOES THROUGH THAT REZONING PROCESS, I MEAN, I'LL SAY THEY WEREN'T SURE, BUT JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, VOTING, WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW HOW WE DIDN'T DO IT.

UM, SO, AND THEN I WOULD JUST SAY THAT ZONING, YOU KNOW, UH, WE DON'T REALLY DO ZONING HERE.

THIS IS A LAND USE DESIGNATION WITHIN ZONING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING CODE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT COMPATIBILITY.

WHAT USES OF LAND ARE COMPATIBLE WITH EACH OTHER, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, A RESTAURANT WITH BEER AND ALCOHOL, WITH THE PLAYGROUND, WITH THE CHILDREN'S TRAIN, WITH THE POOL, WE ALL KNOW THAT.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR SOMETHING I CAN HELP YOU? I THOUGHT, WOULDN'T, WE CONTROL IT THROUGH A CONTRACT OUTSIDE OF THAT, AND JUST BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS IN THE CONTRACT.

CERTAINLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT AUTHORITY, ONCE THE CONTRACT IS ISSUED THE LANGUAGE, ALLOWING BEER AND WINE, RIGHT? I'M NOT, AT THIS TIME AWARE OF WHAT AUTHORITY THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD WOULD HAVE IN INTO WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND CHANGE THAT CONTRACT.

IT'S A 10 YEAR CONTRACT WITH TWO FIVE-YEAR EXTENSIONS.

SO, YOU KNOW, STAFF MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT BETTER, BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT VOTING ON A CONTRACT TONIGHT, WE'RE VOTING ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS AN ALLOWED USE WITHIN A ZONING DESIGNATION.

SO YOU ARE CORRECT.

THERE WOULD BE A CONTRACT WITH WHOEVER IS THE VENDOR ON THE SITE, BUT WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT TONIGHT.

THAT WAS AS DIRECTOR MCNEELY EXPLAINED THAT'S WAS ADDRESSED IN OTHER MEETINGS.

YES, NO.

AND I CAN APPRECIATE, I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, BUT IF THE INTENT IS TO BE ABLE TO RESTRICT THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE IN A FUTURE, IF THAT WAS, IF THIS WAS GRANTED, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

THE OVERALL QUESTION, THE WAY I THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS AS IF I'M NOT ON THIS BOARD, WHAT WOULD THE PROCEDURE BE? WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING? HOW WOULD THIS TAKE PLACE? AND I WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT I'M VOTING ON TONIGHT.

I WASN'T ON THE BOARD WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS VOTED ON, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT.

BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THIS IS REALLY, BECAUSE IT'S AN UNUSUAL THING.

SO THIS IS WHAT I LOOK FORWARD TO.

YOU'RE ON THE BOARD WHEN THE CONTRACT HAS NO SEPTEMBER, NO, SEPTEMBER OF 2019.

I'M GOING TO CONTINUE.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME THAN I HAVE TO.

CAN YOU NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? UH, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SAFETY, SO I WON'T, UM, I WON'T ADD TO IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH TO EVERYBODY THAT CAME IN AND TAUGHT US MORE ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A LIFEGUARD AT BARTON SPRINGS.

I WILL ADD THERE'S A VIDEO ON YOUTUBE THAT KAREN COKER MADE, WHERE SHE INTERVIEWED SOME LIFE GUARDS AND THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR DAY.

THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR TRAINING AND IT IS REALLY A WONDERFUL EDUCATIONAL VIDEO.

I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, BECAUSE OF THE RISKS FROM DROWNING.

WE DID ALSO HEAR FROM ALYSSA MANGRUM, WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF COLIN'S HOPE, AND THAT IS OUR PREMIER LOCAL WATER SAFETY AND ANTI DROWNING ORGANIZATION.

UM, AND SHE TALKED ABOUT, AGAIN, THE RISKS OF ADULTS WATCHING THEIR CHILDREN, UM, UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL IS

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CONTRACTS MEETING, THEY SAID, WILL THEY BE ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE CAFE OTHER THAN PROVIDING TABLES? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.

SO THIS IS MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS AS FAR AS I'VE RESEARCHED IT.

UM, THERE'S A TYPO RIGHT THERE.

SO THE, THE CAFE'S BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 60 YEARS.

I HAVEN'T FOUND ANY EVIDENCE OF, UM, BEER AND WINE BEING SERVED THERE BEFORE THAT, UH, AT ANY TIME IN ITS HISTORY.

UM, SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A CHANGE FROM AN EXTENDED HISTORY.

THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PARD PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN ON JUNE 26, TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, PART'S INTENTION WAS THAT THIS BE A DESTINATION, NOT ONLY A CONVENIENCE TO PARK USERS, BUT A DESTINATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT FOR ME WAS, AS I SPOKE ABOUT THE OTHER MEETING, KIND OF SET OFF THESE LIGHT BULBS, LIKE, BUT WE'RE DOING A MASTER PLAN.

WE'RE DOING A VISION LAND FOR ZILKER PARK, IF NOT ONLY A CONVENIENCE, NOT ONLY TO PARK USERS, BUT A DESTINATION MEANS THIS IS NOT JUST TO SERVE FOOD TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SWIMMING.

UM, I'M SORRY TO SERVE BEER AND WINE TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SWIMMING OR USING THE PARK THAT WERE LIKE ENCOURAGING THEM TO COME THERE, JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF GOING TO THE CAFE.

AND TO ME, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S ANYTHING RIGHT OR WRONG WITH THAT.

I'M SEEING LET'S DEAL WITH THAT IN THE VISION PLAN, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT USES AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

AND IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT TO THE CONTRARY, THE COMMUNITY VISION, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS I'VE ATTENDED ABOUT THE VISION PLAN, HAVE A SPECIFIC DISCLAIMER AT THE BEGINNING THAT SAY, DO NOT TALK ABOUT THIS.

UM, I ALSO LOOKED UP THE COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WAS REFERENCED IN THE PREVIOUS PART PRESENTATION.

THERE WAS ONE OPEN-ENDED QUESTION THAT SAID, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE AVAILABLE AT THE ZILKER CAFE? WHICH I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.

THEY DID AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION AND LET PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN SUGGESTIONS.

I COUNTED 425 PEOPLE RESPONDED 20 OF THOSE ARE 4.7% MENTIONED, BEER, BEER, AND WINE OR WINE, 95% DIDN'T MENTION BEER AND WINE.

AND, UH, IT'S, UH, IT SAID ON THE DEPARTMENT PRESENTATION EARLIER REQUESTS FOR BEER GARDEN.

AND THAT WAS TWO OUT OF 400.

AND TWENTY-FIVE PEOPLE MENTIONED THAT, UH, 30% OF THEIR RESPONSES DID MENTION FRESH JUICE AND MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE A JUICE LAND OR SMOOTHIES THERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BE REAL CLEAR ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SURVEY AND INPUT THAT HAS BEEN CITED THAT WAS TAKEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND I DID ALL THIS AS RESEARCH BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO SORT THROUGH IT ALL.

UM, AND THEN AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF EMAILS.

I WAS TRYING TO COUNT, UM, IT GOT MIXED UP BETWEEN THE THREE MEETINGS, BUT, AND THIS NUMBER IS OLD, BUT I'D SAY I'VE PERSONALLY GOTTEN MORE THAN 200 AGAINST AND SIX IN FAVOR.

AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL EMAILS WRITTEN, NOT FORM LETTERS, AND THEY ARE VERY COMPELLING.

THERE'S SOME REALLY, UM, PEOPLE PUT THEIR HEART INTO THOSE COMMUNICATIONS.

CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? OKAY.

SO I, I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR WHO THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE BEFORE ME AND THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE.

AND I DON'T COME IN HERE TRYING TO JUST UNDO THINGS, WILLY NILLY.

AND SO I REALLY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD GONE ON.

UM, I LISTENED TO THE RECORDINGS OF THE APRIL 9TH, 2019 CONTRACTS AND CONCESSIONS COMMITTEE MEETING.

AND THAT MEETING THE STAFF SAID THAT THEY NEEDED TO GET CLARIFICATION AS TO ALCOHOL.

AND THEY, THERE WAS RESEARCH ONTO THE, INTO THE ALCOHOL AND PARKS POLICY THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW IF ALCOHOL WOULD BE ALLOWED THE SEPTEMBER 10TH CONTRACTS AND CONCESSIONS COMMITTEE MEETING.

THE ISSUE OF ALCOHOL WAS NOT RAISED OR DISCUSSED AT ALL THE SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2019 PARKS AND RECREATION MEETING.

THE ISSUE OF ALCOHOL WAS NOT RAISED OR DISCUSSED AT ALL.

UM, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 3RD, UH, WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

NO QUESTIONS, NO DISCUSSION, NOTHING.

THE ONE MENTION OF ALCOHOL YOU COULD HAVE FOUND WAS ON OCTOBER 3RD ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.

IF YOU WENT THREE LINKS INTO THE BACKUP, YOU WOULD'VE GOT TO THE SCOPE OF WORK, WHICH HAS THE PARAGRAPH STATING THE DIRECTOR MAY DECIDE THAT THERE COULD BE ALCOHOL THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST IF THERE WAS OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, OTHER MEETINGS, I KNOW THERE WAS THE RFP VENDOR MEETINGS WHERE THEY TOOK FEEDBACK FROM THE VENDORS.

THERE'S NO PUBLIC RECORD OF THOSE.

UM, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THAT RESEARCH.

SO I ALSO WANT IT TO SAY THAT THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE AROUND THIS AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT GRAVEL COURTYARD IN FRONT OF THE POOL THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED.

THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED WAS AT THAT APRIL 9TH

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SO NO DISCUSSION OF FENCING AT ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS.

AND THE FENCING IS A REAL ISSUE TO ME.

IT'S LIKE AT THE LAST MEETING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE SOME PLANTERS AND WAY TO DIVIDE IT.

NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIX FOOT NON CLIMBABLE FENCE, WHICH I THINK IS THE SAME BLACK FENCE THAT GOES AROUND THE POOL CURRENTLY.

AND, UH, THAT IS FOR ME, UH, A REAL, A REAL PROBLEM WOULD BE, UM, I GET THAT.

IT'S NOT TO KEEP THE PUBLIC OUT.

IT'S JUST AESTHETICALLY, IT'S JUST WELCOMING.

IT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE THE WRONG THING IN THIS SPOT.

AND IF WE DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL AND BEER, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.

WE CAN HAVE A COURTYARD WITH TABLES WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK BY AND TALK TO EACH OTHER.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LET YOUR KIDS RUN AROUND THAT AREA.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE REVENUE ESTIMATES, YOU KNOW, NO, ONE'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT IT, THE MAP THAT I'VE DONE BASED ON THE INFORMATION, IT'S LIKE A PRETTY NEGLIGIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD COME TO THE CITY, WHETHER OR NOT WE DO ALCOHOL.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY.

UM, WE WOULD GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS WITH SO MUCH, SO MUCH VOCAL COMMUNITY OPPOSITION FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I THINK IS POSSIBLE.

UM, SO, AND THE, THE FIRST MEETING, UH, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? UH, AND THE JUNE 22ND MEETING, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT WAS ABOUT, UM, SITTING AT THE CAFE WHILE YOUR KIDS ARE AT THE PLAYGROUND AND HOW NICE IT IS TO GO TO CENTRAL MARKET OR HAT CREEK OR SOME OF THOSE PLACES WHERE THAT'S AVAILABLE.

I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND I DID VISIT, YOU KNOW, AND WALKED IT OUT MYSELF AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO VISIBILITY TO THE PLAYGROUND FROM THE CAFE SEATING AREA.

IT'S JUST NOT AN OPTION.

UM, OTHER RESTRICTING FACTORS ARE THAT THE PLAY SCHOOLS, THE STRUCTURE THERE IS ACTUALLY DESIGNED FOR KIDS AGED TWO TO FIVE YEARS OLD.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON THE SIGN OF THE PARK.

THIS SIGN IS FROM THE FIRETRUCK.

UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO BE SUPERVISED BY AN ADULT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT, I WOULD THINK FROM THE CAFE TO THE PLAYGROUND, I'M THINKING AN 11 OR A 12 YEAR OLD COULD BE OVER THERE BY THEMSELVES.

AND THEY'RE TOO OLD FOR THIS PLAY STRUCTURE.

ALSO, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT PATH THAT PEOPLE COMING TO IN FRONT OF THAT AREA, BELOW THE DAM, UM, AND ALL OF THE THINGS THEY BRING WITH THEM, MAYBE FINISHING OFF SOME BEERS BEFORE THEY LEAVE.

SO IT'S NOT A SAFE AREA FOR CHILDREN TO BE BY THEMSELVES ALSO FROM A, UM, I'M ALSO THINKING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO FENCE AROUND THAT PLAYGROUND WHEN IT'S NOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THERE'S OPEN WATER RIGHT THERE AT BARTON CREEK.

SO I WOULD HATE FOR US TO VOTE ON SOMETHING AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BE SITTING IN AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN'T SEE THEIR KIDS.

AND THERE'S ALL OF THESE RISKS.

FINALLY, I FOUND THE ULTA'S CAFE NOT TO BE AN APPLIQUE FULL COMPARISON.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO SWIMMING ALLOWED AND LADY BIRD LAKE.

SO THE DROWNING FACTOR IS NOT THERE.

AND ALSO IF YOU'RE COMING OR GOING FROM THERE, YOU'RE ON A BOAT OR A STANDUP PADDLE BOARD, ALL OF WHICH FLOAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE SWIMMING IN A POOL THAT HAS SAFETY RISKS, A BOARD MEMBER DEPALMA, AS FAR AS US TALKING, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE POOL.

I THINK WHAT, UM, I HEARD ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAY IS BURN SPRINGS IS WILD AND NATURAL.

AND THAT'S PART OF, WHAT'S AMAZING ABOUT IT.

AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE HERE SAYING IT'S TOO DANGEROUS FOR SWIMMING.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS OUR STAFF IS DOING IS THE BEST THEY CAN.

LET'S NOT ADD ANY, ANY MORE DANGERS TO WHAT IS A NATURAL SWIMMING.

UH, AND, AND JUST TO REITERATE, I'M SAYING, IF WE'RE THERE, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T SWIM AT BARTON SPRINGS ANYMORE.

I SAID, IF IT IS THE, THE AMOUNT OF FOLKS SWIMMING B CREATES THE HAZARD, WHICH IS WHAT THE DATA SHOWS, NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE BOTTOM, HAVING TO COMPACT DIDN'T BLITZ, LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF FOLKS WE LAID IN THROUGH THE GATE BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE FROM PAST DROWNINGS.

AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT ALLOWING ALCOHOL IN ONE AREA, BUT NOT IN OTHERS CLOSE BY THE POOL.

UM, IT'S DEFINITELY A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.

UM, SO I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I JUST WAS THINKING ABOUT SOME EXAMPLES, P TERRY'S JUICE LAND, CASA DELIS, ALL PLACES THAT ARE ALCOHOL FREE, SUCCESSFULLY ON LOCALLY OWNED RESTAURANTS, VERY CLOSE TO THE POOL.

YOU KNOW, P TERRY'S IS PROBABLY THE DEFACTO CONCESSION STAND FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS WHILE THE CAFE HAS BEEN CLOSED.

UM, FINALLY I JUST, I DON'T THINK THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING USES.

UM, AS MENTIONED ALCOHOL AND DRUG USE BELOW THE DAM IS JUST REALLY GETTING INTENSE.

IT'S KIND OF, YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT IF YOUR LITTLE KIDS SHOULD BE IN THE DEEP END OF THE POOL SIDE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE SO MUCH, UH, WAFTING AND ALSO JUST IN THE OPEN ALCOHOL USE.

UM,

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I JUST THINK IT'S CONFUSING AND IS GOING TO FURTHER DISCOURAGE COMPLIANCE WITH THE RULES WHEN WE'RE HAVING SIGNIFICANT ISSUES RIGHT NOW WITH COMPLIANCE.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE, THE SENTIMENT AND THE EMAILS.

THERE'S SO MANY REFERENCES.

I WISH I KNEW HOW TO DO THAT WORD CLOUD THING.

UH, SO MANY REFERENCES TO NATURE, KIDS, RECREATION, HEALTHY FAMILY ACTIVITY, PHYSICAL TRAINING PEACEFULNESS.

AND, AND WHILE I, I, I GET THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING EXAMPLES TO OTHER PARKS PARKS, UM, THAT SERVE ALCOHOL, OR WE VOTED ON ONE RECENTLY.

I THINK WHAT, WHAT I READ IS WE'RE BEING ASKED TO RECOGNIZE THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS AREA AND THE WAY THIS AREA IS USED IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS AND LOCATIONS.

AND, UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE IT IF THE PARKS BOARD WOULD, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY, INSTEAD OF COMPARING IT TO SAY A PARK IN A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME FEATURES AND, AND, AND EXISTING USES NEARBY.

SO WE CAN ENHANCE, UH, CREATE, ENHANCE A WELCOMING AND FAMILY FRIENDLY ATMOSPHERE BY KEEPING THIS CAFE ALCOHOL FREE.

ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS, I, YOU KNOW, I IT'S, THIS IS SUCH AN INTERESTING ISSUE TO ME.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS CUP THAT, UM, I REGULARLY MEET SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE FOR A BEER OR WINE YET, AS SOMEBODY SAID, NONE OF US EVER THINK, HAVE THOUGHT LIKE THAT THIS WOULD BE THE PLACE TO DO THAT.

SO I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO USING THIS CAFE, UM, AND HAVING THE HEALTHY FOOD OPTIONS AND HAVING, LIKE, I THINK IT'S SO EXCITING TO HAVE THIS NEW PLACE TO MEET AFTER A SWIM, TO GET A SNACK AND TO VISIT WITH OLD, OLD FRIENDS AND NEW FRIENDS AND TO WELCOME MORE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY COMING.

AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN AN ALCOHOL FREE ENVIRONMENT.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR, UM, LETTING ME DO THIS PRESENTATION AND FOR YOUR TIME.

NO, THANK YOU FOR, UM, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE PRESENTATION AND ALL YOUR RESEARCH ON THAT BOARD MEMBER FILE.

SO THAT WAS, WE APPRECIATED IT.

WE'RE MOVING BERNARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? UM, I DON'T HAVE MANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WENT INTO THANK YOU BOARD MEMBER FALSE FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

AND I WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING DOWN TONIGHT AND GIVING THEIR COMMENTS AND ALSO FOR ALL THE EMAILS.

UM, I PERSONALLY JUST THINK THAT, UM, SELLING BEER AND WINE JUST POSES TOO MUCH OF A POTENTIAL RISK.

UM, AND SO AT THIS TIME I HAVEN'T CHANGED MY POSITION.

I STILL PLAN ON OPPOSING IT.

THANKS.

REMEMBER, RINALDI? SURE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THIS VULGAR CAFE.

I JUST WANTED TO ECHO THE, THANKS THAT MY OTHER, UH, MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD HAVE SHARED FOR EVERYONE THAT TOOK THE TIME TO COME AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS WITH US AND, UM, AND ALL THE EMAILS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, THAT'S REALLY DEEPLY APPRECIATED.

AND ESPECIALLY THANK YOU TO THE BARTON SPRING STAFF FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCES WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING THE PUBLIC FACE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS, UH, LOCAL AND NATIONAL TREASURE THAT WE HAVE AND HELPING, HELPING, UH, OUR PARK USERS AND THE PUBLIC ENJOY THAT SPACE.

UM, I STILL THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MY, MY THOUGHTS REMAIN THE SAME.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS, I THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS STILL AN APPROPRIATE IDEA TO PURSUE.

UM, YOU KNOW, ZILKER PARK IS IT'S A BIG LIVELY METROPOLITAN PARK WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, A REALLY DIVERSE ARRAY OF USES AND PEOPLE THAT COME THERE FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

AND I THINK THAT A RESTAURANT, UM, AT THE PARK THAT SERVES BEER AND WINE AS PART OF A COMPLETE MENU OF FOOD AND REFRESHMENTS, UM, IN, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, RESPONSIBLY, PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED SETTING IS, UH, I THINK THAT WILL ENHANCE THE PARK EXPERIENCE FOR, UM, FOR ALL USERS.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, UH, UH, UH, THE INCIDENTS AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE EXPERIENCE OF THE STAFF AT, UM, BARTON SPRINGS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M REALLY GLAD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF WAS ABLE TO SHARE, UM, SOME OF THOSE REALLY, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE AND TROUBLING EXPERIENCES THAT THEY'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH ON BEHALF OF, UM, VISITORS TO THE POOL.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT, UM, THAT BEHAVIOR ON PART OF POOL PATRONS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SAFETY ISSUE THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK INTO, UM, REGARDLESS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE AN EXISTING PROBLEM THAT THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED REGARDLESS OF, UM,

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SO, UM, THAT'S, WE NEED OUR STAFF TO BE SAFE AND WE NEED THE OTHER PATRONS AT THE POOL TO FEEL SAFE SO THAT, UM, UH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT AND MAYBE A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER TIME, BUT, UM, UH, YEAH, I APPRECIATE, UM, EVERYONE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS ON THIS ISSUE AND, UH, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR NOW.

THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR, FORGOT ABOUT YOUTH.

SO GO AHEAD.

UM, I WANT TO, I WOULD JUST WANT TO BE HONEST HERE.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE COME TO, UM, GIVE US YOUR OPINION THIS EVENING ABOUT THIS ISSUE, AND, UM, REALLY APPRECIATE IT IN PARTICULAR.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF, UM, APART IN SPRINGS POOL AND, UH, AND KNOW THAT YOU ARE APPRECIATED AND, UH, REALLY, UM, IT SADDENS ME TO HEAR HOW PEOPLE ARE TREATING YOU ALL AS PUBLIC SERVANTS.

SO, UM, AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO THANK, UH, IN PARTICULAR, MY, UH, MY COLLEAGUES, UH, BOARD MEMBER CALLED HIM SEIBEL AND A BOARD MEMBER FAUST FOR YOUR RESEARCH AND YOUR, UM, COMMENTS AND YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, THIS IS THE ZILKER PARKS IN MY DISTRICT.

UM, I, AND THAT THE LAST ONE, I OPPOSED THIS, UH, PERMIT AND I I'VE GONE FULL CIRCLE.

I'VE I'VE.

I TRIED TO LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE, I'VE SPOKEN TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF IT.

AND, UM, I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT REALLY THE STAFF TODAY, YOUR TESTIMONY, YOUR TESTIMONY, BUT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UM, TALKING POINTS ABOUT HOW YOU'RE BEING TREATED CURRENTLY, UM, REALLY HAVE MOVED ME AND I, YOU KNOW, I POTTY TRAINED MY KIDS USING THE ZILKER ZEPHYR TRAIN.

I, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THEM WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE THERE AND IT WOULD NEVER HAVE OCCURRED TO ME EVER, LIKE, OH, I'M GOING TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A DRINK WHILE MY KIDS ARE ON THE TRAIN OR IN THE PLAYGROUND.

IT'S NOT, AND I KNOW THAT'S ANECDOTAL, BUT I JUST FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT THE PARK IS.

LIKE.

I KNOW WE'RE DOING A LOT OF NEW AMENITIES AND THERE'S A NEW TRAIN, AND I'M REALLY VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, I JUST DON'T REALLY SEE A COMPELLING REASON TO SELL ALCOHOL THERE.

TWO, WHICH IS THE PRESENTATION DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE DIRECTOR FOR APPROVAL OF TEMPORARY USE WORK IN STAGING AREA ON THE LOWER, UH, LOWER, UH, BULL CREEK GREENBELT.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK AND TIME THAT THE BOARD PUT INTO IT, ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT CAME OUT AGAIN AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF HAS DONE.

AND I I'M LIKE NOW THAT IT'S NOW AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK AND WE HAVE QUITE A LOT MORE TO DO ON THE AGENDA.

I AM NOT GOING TO, TO MAKE A LOT OF COMMENTS.

I JUST DO WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT.

I THINK THAT LISTENING TO THE STORIES, LISTENING TO STUFF IT'S, IT'S REALLY SAFETY IS THE ISSUE THAT I THINK THAT WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN VIGILANT ABOUT THE PANDEMIC AND KEEPING EVERYBODY SAFE IN THAT INSTANCE.

AND I, I, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU HAVE STAFF MEMBERS AT THE POOL AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE USED THE POOL ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT STILL AN ALCOHOL RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR, BARTON SPRINGS, THAT WE ARE EVEN CONSIDERING IT.

SO I, UM, SO I DEFINITELY, UM, IN HAVE NOT CHANGED MY MIND SINCE THE LAST VOTE, I PROBABLY FEEL MORE STRONGLY ABOUT IT THAN I DID BEFORE.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK A BOARD MEMBER FAILS TO MAKE A MOTION.

I MOVE THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD RECOMMEND, UM, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF WINE AND BEER AT THE ZILKER CAFE BE DENIED.

I FURTHER MOVE THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION APPLIES TO ANY OTHER CITY COUNCIL OR BOARD THAT CONSIDERS THE, OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THAT MOTION.

AND, UH, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.

SO WE HAVE, UM, AND ALL OPPOSED.

SO DO YOU HAVE THAT SEMI? SO WE OFFICIALLY, NOW HAVE, ARE MORE THAN QUORUM TO SEND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT HERE TONIGHT, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBERS.

THANK

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YOU.

CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK.

RANDY WILL BE READY FOR YOU WHEN WE COME BACK.

I THINK, UM, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RECONVENE THE MEETING SO WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE AT SOME POINT.

SO I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE, UH, ITEM

[B.2. Presentation, discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation to the Director for approval of Temporary Use Work and Staging Area (7,204 sq. ft.), not to exceed 30 Calendar Days on parkland located at Lower Bull Creek Greenbelt (7806 N Capital of Texas Hwy). Total Mitigation Value is $2,251.]

SO WHO DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE GREGORY MONTES.

OH, THERE HE IS.

OF THE LINER AND THE CONSTRUCTION METHOD ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR THE US FISH AND WILDLIFE PERMITS.

HE JUST POPPED UP IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD, MR. MONTES.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

SO WE COULD GET MOVING.

NO PROBLEM.

UH, GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS, GREGORY MOUNTAINS WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

UM, BUT YOU STATED THE AUSTIN WATER DEPARTMENT IS, UM, REQUESTING THE TEMPORARY USE OF A PORTION OF THE, UH, LOWER BULL CREEK GREEN BELT IN ORDER TO REPAIR AN EXISTING WASTEWATER LINE THAT IS LOCATED IN THE BELT.

UH, JOINING ME IS JENNIFER MASSEY BORE SUPERVISING ENGINEER WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

UH, JENNIFER WE'LL RUN THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, UM, AND KNOW THAT BOTH OF US ARE AVAILABLE, UM, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRESENTATION.

SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT? I'LL GO AHEAD AND HAND IT OVER TO JENNIFER.

ANYTHING, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT.

UM, I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE PARKS STAFF FOR HELPING ME THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

MY NAME IS JENNIFER MASSEY, OR AS GREG MENTIONED, I WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING SERVICES DIVISION.

AND I'M HERE AT YOUR REQUEST TONIGHT, THE TEMPORARY USE OF PARKLAND FOR CONSTRUCTION STAGING.

UH, THIS WOULD BE PART OF, UM, A BIGGER PROJECT OF THE SPICEWOOD SPRINGS ROAD, REGIONAL MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS.

AND IT'S PART OF THE BOND 2016 REGIONAL MOBILITY PROJECT.

UM, THE SPICEWOOD SPRINGS ROAD PROJECT STARTS FROM LOOP 360 AND GOES TO MESA DRIVE THE OVERALL REGIONAL PROJECT.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO IN THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING PHASE OF THE PROJECT AND DURING THE DESIGN PHASE, THE AUSTIN WATER UTILITY IDENTIFIED A DETERIORATED CONCRETE WASTEWATER PIPE NEARING THE END OF ITS SERVICE LIFE.

SO THEY IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY 779 LINEAR FEET OF 18 INCH PIPE.

IT WAS BUILT IN 1972, RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY IT'S INCURRENT CRITICAL CONDITION, AND IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A FAILURE WHICH MAY IMPACT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY.

THERE'S A POSSIBLE OBSTRUCTION IN THE PIPE THAT COULDN'T BE DETERMINED AT THE TIME THAT THEY TV THE LINE.

RIGHT NOW, THE PIPE IS IN THE BED OF THE TURBO, THE TWO REAR CARRIER, THE BULL CREEK, THE LOCATION CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS LOCATION IS THAT IT'S OVER THE EDWARDS OPERABLE RECHARGE.

THEN WHEN, ACCORDING TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GOLDEN CHEAP WILBUR A ZONE ONE, AND IS ALSO IN THE AREA OF THE ENDANGERED SPECIES HABITAT CARTS ZONE ONE.

AND IT'S ALSO, UM, IN THE EROSION HAZARD ZONE, IT IS PART OF THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE IS PART OF THE BULK COUNTIES CANYON CONSERVATION PLAN.

AND THERE'S BEEN IDENTIFIED SOME THREATENED JOLLYVILLE PLATEAU SALAMANDERS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SPICEWOOD SPRINGS ROAD.

IT'S ALSO PART OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITICAL FEATURES OF THIS AREA, AND ALSO THE NEED TO REHABILITATE THE WASTEWATER LINE, THE DESIGN TEAM DETERMINED THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WAS TO HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT MINIMAL EXCAVATION AND OUR TRENCHLESS SOLUTION.

AND THAT WOULD BE TO HAVE A CURED IN PLACE PIPE REHABILITATION.

SO THEY APPROXIMATELY IT'S APPROXIMATE 779 LINEAR FEET OF PIPE.

THEY INSTALL WIENER FROM ONE MANHOLE UP TO THE, THE NEXT MANHOLE.

AND IT'S HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW.

IT DOES HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S VERY LITTLE EXCAVATION.

THE ONLY EXCAVATION WOULD BE TO ACCESS THE DOWNSTREAM MANHOLE, BUT THE LINE ITSELF WOULD NOT BE EXCAVATED.

THERE'S A PROPOSED BYPASS LINE, TEMPORARY BYPASS LINE THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED JUST DURING THE INSTALLATION

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SO THIS ALSO INCREASES THE LIFE OF THE, OF THE PIPE WITH MINIMAL DISTURBANCE TO THE CREEK.

SO THE PROJECT DETAILS, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO USE THE EXISTING, UM, GRAVEL PARKING LOT.

IT HAS A SMALL CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND ADJACENT GRAVEL PARKING LOT.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1000 SQUARE FEET FOR WORK AREA AND REQUESTING APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE MORE THAN 6,000 SQUARE FEET OR THE STAGING AREA RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO GO THROUGH TEMPORARY TRAFFIC CONTROL PLANS FROM TEXTILE.

WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO PERMIT FROM THE BELL COUNTY'S CONSERVATION CANYON PRESERVE AND A WATER POLLUTION, STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN.

CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'RE ANTICIPATING APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS TO GET THE PERMIT, BUT WE'RE THE INSTALLATION OF THE WASTEWATER LINER.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS INSTALLATION, BUT IT'S ONE MONTH TOTAL CONSTRUCTION TIME.

THAT INCLUDES THE STAGING AND THEN THE INSTALLATION, THE TESTING, AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK ONLINE, THE TREE IMPACT THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GONE OUT ON SITE TO INVESTIGATE AND INSPECT THE TREES.

THERE'S ONLY A TRIMMING OF THE TREES TO GET CLEARANCE VERTICAL CLEARANCE TO THE MANUAL.

SO THE PUBLIC IMPACT FOR THIS REQUEST IS TO, JUST TO BLOCK IS TO BLOCK A SECTION OF THE TRAIL IN THE PARKING LOT WHILE THE REHABILITATION SEGMENT AND THE PARKLAND AND DURING THE SPOILS REMOVAL.

SO WE'VE ALSO, UM, COORDINATED WITH PARK STAFF SO THAT WE CAN, UM, RESTORE THE PARKING LOT, UM, TO BETTER CONDITIONS THAN IT IS TODAY.

I THINK THAT SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CYNTHIA? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, THANKS.

I WASN'T CLEAR JUST ON THE LAST SLIDE, UM, IT TALKED ABOUT SPOILS REMOVAL AND I WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT WOULD BE FROM, WITH THE CURE IN PLACE PIPE PROCESS, RIGHT? SO THE SPOILS REMOVAL IS, UM, THE EXISTING GRAVEL PARKING LOT IS KIND OF ROUGH.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A GRADED IT PAWNS WHEN IT RAINS.

UM, AND SO THE SPOILS REMOVAL WOULD JUST BE TO REMOVE THE EXISTING GRAVEL, UM, INSTALL, CONSTRUCTION, UH, GRAVEL WHILE CONSTRUCTION IS TAKING PLACE AND THEN REMOVING THAT CONSTRUCTION GROVEL, AND THEN REINSTALLING, UM, A, A MORE, UM, CEMENT STABILIZED BASE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE SPOILED, THERE'S NO OTHER EXCAVATION HAPPENING.

IT WOULD JUST BE THE RESTORING OF THE PARKING LOT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.

IT'S MOSTLY FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS STAFF.

WHO'S GOING TO BE, UM, WORKING WITH THE CURE IN PLACE PIPE CONTRACTOR.

AND THAT IS, I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THIS PROCESS RECENTLY.

UM, I'M INVOLVED IN A CASE IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE IT'S VERY SIMILAR, THEY'RE DOING A CURE AND CURE IN PLACE.

PIPE REHABILITATION ON A WASTEWATER LINE IS PASSING ADJACENT TO A PRESERVE THAT HAS A LARGE CAVE.

IT'S THE LONGEST CAVE IN BEAR COUNTY.

AND IT IS ALSO ENDANGERED SPECIES HABITAT FOR SOME CARS, SPECIES, THOSE INVERTEBRATES.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, PROJECT, THE CONTRACTOR DISCHARGED FLUID, IT'S UNCLEAR YET IF IT'S DISCHARGED FROM THE BYPASS LINE OR DISCHARGED FROM THE PROCESS WATER FOR THE CURE IN PLACE PIPE, THAT FLUID, UM, ENTERED THE, THE SINK HOLE AND THE CAVE ENTRANCE AND AFFECTED THE ENDANGERED SPECIES HABITAT.

UM, AND I'VE SEEN THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR THIS DOCUMENT AND THEY SAY VERY CLEARLY DO NOT DISTURB THIS PRESERVE PROPERTY HABITAT.

AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY TO PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T TELL YOUR CONTRACTOR ENOUGH HOW SENSITIVE THIS AREA IS.

UM, YOU KNOW, PUT IT IN THE PLANS, TALK TO THEM, BE ON SITE.

WE'RE STILL REALLY UNCLEAR HOW THIS HAPPENED, OTHER THAN A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

UM, AND EARLY IN THE MORNING.

AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW WASN'T CLEAR TO THE PEOPLE ONSITE THAT NIGHT, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS A INAPPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THE FLUIDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, UH, KAREN PLACE PIPE PROJECT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, BE EXTRA CAREFUL AND, AND YOU CAN'T COMMUNICATE ENOUGH WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR ON THAT ISSUE.

MOVE A BOARD MEMBER? I MEAN, VICE CHAIR DEPALMA MOVES TO, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE TEMPORARY USE WORK.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR, UM, OKAY THEN, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND FOR THE APPROVAL

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I WILL SECOND THAT ALL IN FAVOR AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

GOOD LUCK WITH THE, WITH THE PROJECT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, UM, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RELATED TO THE SUPERIORITY OF THE 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS STATEMENT PER THE AMENDMENT, AS IT RELATES TO PARKS.

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[B.3. Presentation, discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation to the Planning Commission related to the superiority of the 305 S. Congress "Statesman" PUD Amendment as it relates to parks.]

AND WE DO HAVE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, VICE CHAIR, CHAIR LEWIS.

WE DO, WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS PERSISTENCE COMMUNICATION, AND THE FIRST ONE IS BILL BUNCH.

AND WHILE WE LOOK FOR MR BUNCH W UH, WE WILL CALL MR. ROY WHALEY, MR. WHALEY, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS ROY WHALEY.

I'M ON THE CONSERVATION COMMITTEE FOR THE OFTEN SIERRA CLUB.

AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I HAD SET ASIDE TO DIG INTO IN MORE DEPTH.

AND I WASN'T ABLE TO, BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN, WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR THIS IS THAT THERE BE ABUNDANT SETBACK FROM LADY BIRD LAKE, AND THAT WE HAVE NO PESTICIDES, NO INSECTICIDES USED ANYWHERE ON THE SITE THAT WE KEEP ALL OF THOSE SORT OF POLLUTANTS OUT OF LADY, BIRD LAKE, AND THEN ALSO THAT THE PARKS THAT ARE A PART OF THIS PUD, THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT BRODY OAKS, THERE'S SOME, SOME TALK ABOUT BEING PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARKS THERE.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PARKS SYSTEM IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY.

I HOPE THAT WE WILL SEE HOWEVER THAT THIS BECOME A TRANSIT HUB AND THAT WE ARE ABLE TO USE MULTIPLE, UH, OF TRANSIT OPTIONS FROM THIS SITE BECAUSE WE ABSOLUTELY, EVERY PROJECT NEEDS TO HAVE A CONTRIBUTION TO SUSTAINABILITY AND CLEAN AIR AND PUBLIC TRANSIT, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

I LOVE IT AS A CONTRIBUTOR TO OUR AIR QUALITY ISSUES.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME HAVE A FEW MINUTES OF TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. WHALEY, AND LAST CALL FOR MR. BUNCH.

OUT THERE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR THIS AGENDA.

AND THEN I SAW, UM, MS. GHETTO.

SO, UM, MS. LINDEN GUERRERO, SHE JUST LEFT HERS WITH ME AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH HER COMMENT WAS PLEASE REDUCE THE LENGTH OF THE PIER TO 30 FEET.

WELL WITH THAT, WE WILL, UH, ARE READY FOR OUR PRESENTATION.

WE HAVE RANDY SCOTT AND SCOTT GRANUM.

SO BOARD MEMBERS, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS THIS TIME AROUND, RIGHT? YOU WILL BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND YOU'LL BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON SUPERIORITY AS IT RELATES TO PARKS AND PARKLAND FEATURES, RIGHT.

OR THINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO PARKS.

UM, THIS PART AT THIS TIME FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE IS OKAY, IT'S FAIR.

IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE 6.87 ACRES OF PARKLAND THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE.

UH, IT IS NOT, WE'RE NOT YET, OR AT LEAST UP TO THIS POINT.

WE'RE NOT YET AT SUPERIOR, BUT WE DO HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM OUR TEAM AND A COMMITMENT FROM THE APPLICANT TO WORK THROUGH THAT.

AND SCOTT'S PRESENTATION IS GOING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT HAS DEVELOPED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE WITH YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S IN YOUR, IT'S UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU WOULD RECOMMEND SUPERIORITY OR WHETHER YOU WOULD NOT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY.

SO I'LL HAND IT OVER TO SCOTT.

OH, WAIT, ONE SECOND.

ANY DECISION YOU MAKE IS GOOD.

BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO SCOTT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

IF THERE, FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE CLARITY THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND ALSO JERRY RESTO VIN FROM PLANNING AND HOUSING IS HERE TO BE ABLE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PRED PUD PROCESS IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THAT WE'RE UNABLE TO ANSWER.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COMPILED THE LARGEST GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS TO GIVE YOU THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION TONIGHT, OR ANY DECISION.

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I DON'T WANT TO QUALIFY WHETHER THE DECISION YOU MAKE IS GOOD OR BAD, SO YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.

AND, UM, SCOTT GRANT THEM AS IN GRANT THEM, GRANT THEM THREE WISHES.

UH, MOST PEOPLE GET IT RIGHT, BUT, UM, FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, PARKS AND RECREATION, UM, GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS, I WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, KNOWN INFORMALLY AS THE STATESMAN PUD.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO TECHNICALLY THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING PUD, WHICH WAS FROM 1989 AND PERMITTED THE EXISTING STATESMAN OFFICE BUILDINGS.

A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS A KIND OF CUSTOMIZED ZONING, WHICH ALLOWS THE CITY AND APPLICANTS TO COLLABORATE.

THEY MAY RECEIVE ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS TO BUILD TALLER BUILDINGS, MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER, AND OTHER CODE MODIFICATIONS IN EXCHANGE.

THE PUD MUST BE DEEMED SUPERIOR TO CURRENT CODE IN ORDER TO RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM THE CITY COUNCIL PARKS BOARD IS ONE OF SEVERAL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT THE PUD MUST GO TO.

AND IT WILL ULTIMATELY GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL APPROVAL.

THE PUD NEED NOT BE DEEMED SUPERIOR IN EVERY CATEGORY TO RECEIVE ULTIMATE APPROVAL.

HOWEVER, IT IS INCUMBENT UPON EACH INDIVIDUAL BOARD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL REGARDING THE PUD PROPOSAL AND HOW IT RELATES TO THEIR RESPECTIVE SUBJECT AREA.

SO THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

THE SLIDE IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PRESENTATION.

WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT OF THE PUD SITE, GEOGRAPHICAL AND HISTORICAL, AND LOOK AT THE PUD THROUGH SOME SUGGESTED CATEGORIES.

PARKS BOARD WILL BE ASKED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS TONIGHT.

THE HISTORY OF THE SITE IS FAIRLY COMPLICATED AND THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL PLANNING TOOLS IN THE TOOLKIT WHICH HAVE BEEN USED AND MAY BE USED IN THE FUTURE TO DEVELOP THE SITE.

HOWEVER, FOR THIS DISCUSSION, WE WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE PUD ZONING REQUEST.

SO HERE'S A, UM, THE EXISTING SITE SOUTH OF LADY BIRD LAKE, JUST EAST OF THE SOUTH CONGRESS BRIDGE, THE EXISTING SITE OF THESE, UH, AUSTIN AMERICAN STATESMAN OFFICE BUILDINGS.

JUST THE SOUTH ARE A SERIES OF TECHSTOP BUILDINGS AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, UH, MULTI-FAMILY NOTE THAT BARTON SPRINGS ROAD TEES INTO CONGRESS ON THE WEST SIDE AND DOES NOT EXTEND EAST OF CONGRESS, UH, AS IT STANDS TODAY.

UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE EXISTING SITE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE IMAGE IS VERY, HAS A LOT OF DETAIL ON IT, BUT THE ORANGE IS, UM, THE EXISTING BUTLER HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL.

THAT IS THE ONLY EXISTING PARKLAND ON THE SITE AND IT IS WITHIN A PARK EASEMENT TODAY.

SO, UM, IT'S AN, IT'S A PARK EASEMENT, NOT DEEDED PARKLAND, UM, AS IT STANDS TODAY.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST OF SEVERAL, UM, LENSES THAT WE'LL LOOK AT THE PUD THROUGH, UM, AND LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL THROUGH.

UM, SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, UH, WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR RIGHT AWAY THAT THIS IS, THIS IS THE LATEST, THIS IS THE LATEST, UH, PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PUT FORWARD.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER SLIDES HERE THAT, THAT ARE KIND OF AN OLDER VERSION, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO THIS ONE.

IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THINGS, UM, LOOK AT, UM, THE SPECIFIC LAND, LOOK AT PROPOSALS.

SO HERE'S A SLIDE THAT SHOWS A CONCEPT FOR THE PARK AREAS AND ELON ILLUSTRATE IT ILLUSTRATES AN IMPORTANT CONCEPT THAT ALL THE STREETS AND RIGHT AWAY ARE CONNECTED TO THE PARK.

UM, THE DEEDED PARKLAND WOULD BE A DARKER GREEN ON THE TOP OF THE SLIDE AND THE PARK EASEMENTS WOULD BE MORE OF THE OLIVE GREEN SHADE THAT ARE TOWARD THE BOTTOM NOTE THAT, UM, THAT THE EASEMENT THAT YOU HAVE EASEMENTS HERE THAT CONNECT THE PUBLIC TO THE PARK FROM ALL AVAILABLE ROADS AND PUBLIC STREETS.

THIS ONE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO READ, BUT IT DOES COME FROM THE APPLICANT.

AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A PURPLE SHADING THAT THAT KIND OF IS ON THE LOWER, UH, PART, UH, PURPLE HATCH.

AND THE PURPLE HATCH WOULD BE THE PARK EASEMENT, AND THE OTHER COLORS WOULD BE FULLY DEEDED PARKLAND.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THOSE, UM, THE OTHER, THE PURPLE WOOD WOOD IS OFFERED UP AS, AS EASEMENT AND THE OTHER COLORS WOULD BE FULLY DEEDED PARKLAND.

UM, THE DIFFERENT COLORS ARE, UH, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CREDIT, WHICH ARE GIVEN TO SAY THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE AND OTHER ZONES,

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UH, NEXT, UH, ADVANCE.

SOMETHING LIKE AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.

UM, THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING TO, TO CLARIFY SOME OF THESE, THESE IDEAS HERE, BUT, UM, THE RED BOXES HERE ARE WHAT, WHAT I DEEMED TO BE OR WHAT PART STAFF DEEMED TO BE MISSING FROM THIS.

UM, AND, AND REALLY THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THEY, THAT THESE CONNECTIONS EXIST FROM THE PRIVATE STREETS TO THE PARKLAND.

UM, I'VE, I'VE BEEN REASSURED BY THE APPLICANT THAT THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE, ARE GOING TO THE, TO THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND ON THE RIGHT ARE GOING TO EXIST.

AND THAT THOSE, UM, THOSE EASEMENTS ARE GOING TO EXIST IN SOME FORM.

UM, THE ONE ON THE FAR, RIGHT, THE SORT OF THE TRIANGLE LIKE PIECE THERE MAY HAVE, THERE MAY BE THAT THERE ARE AREAS NOT FULLY PLANNED YET, BUT THAT THERE, THAT MIGHT BE KIND OF LIKE A TWO-PART EASEMENT THAT, THAT GOES, UM, THAT REACHES THE TRAIL PERPENDICULAR, UH, UP INTO THE RIGHT, UM, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

UM, AND, AND REALLY WHAT MIGHT BE LACKING THERE WAS THAT THE ROAD WASN'T SHOWN GOING ALL THE WAY, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN EASEMENT THAT CONNECTED THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE ONE THAT IS, IS KIND OF UNCERTAIN BECAUSE, UM, WHAT IS PROPOSED NOW IS THAT, THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW WHERE, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE CONGRESS BRIDGE, WHERE PEOPLE START TO, TO, IT STARTS TO GRADE SEPARATE, AND PEOPLE START TO MAKE THEIR WAY TO OUT TO THE VIEWING AREA THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME UP AND SO THAT IT WILL, IT WILL ACTUALLY BE AT GRADE.

AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFUSION THAT I HAD ON THE DESIGN.

UM, HOWEVER, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POINT OF THIS SLIDE WAS THAT THAT CONNECTION BE PRESERVED, IT EXISTS TODAY, AND THAT IT SHOULD BE PRESERVED.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GIVEN ME SOME OTHER INFORMATION, BUT, UM, I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND STICK TO THAT NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO HERE'S A, HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE, UM, THE CREDITING.

SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, YOU'VE GOT RAW ACREAGE.

UM, YOU'VE GOT A FACTOR.

SO BASICALLY FOR, UM, FOR AN INUNDATED LAND, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 0% CREDIT.

SO THAT'S LAND THAT'S UNDERWATER.

UM, UNDER THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE IS, IS COMING IN AT 50% CREDIT AND UNENCUMBERED LAND THAT'S DEEDED WOULD BE FULL CREDIT.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU'VE GOT THE EASEMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN AT HALF CREDIT.

SO ALL TOLD, UM, WELL, FULLY DEEDED LAND IS 6.78 ACRES.

THE MAJORITY OF THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE SHORELINE OF LADY BIRD LAKE.

UM, AND THEN THE 1.59, NINE ACRES IS, WOULD BE CONSISTING OF EASEMENTS.

AND SO ALL TOLD, UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 8.37 ACRES, INCLUDING FULLY DEEDED AND EASEMENTS AND CREDITED THAT'S 4.35 ACRES.

UM, AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT SORT OF THE BREAKDOWNS HERE OF, UM, THE GROSS PERCENTAGE OF THE SITE, 44% AND CREDITED PERCENTAGE 23%.

SO I'LL JUST LET THOSE NUMBERS STAND ON THEIR OWN, UM, ADVANCED PLEASE.

AND, UM, HAD THIS DISCUSSION ALSO WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THE DEED SHOULD HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS ON IT.

SO IT SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULDN'T BE ACCEPTING THE LAND WITH, UM, RESTRICTIONS OF THIS, THIS OR THAT.

IT SHOULD BE FULLY DEEDED NOW, UM, IN TERMS OF PROGRAMMING.

SO THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION OF, OF SHOULD.

UM, WHAT TYPE OF, WHAT TYPE OF, UM, UH, WHAT TYPE OF INPUT OR, UM, FEEDBACK SHOULD THE APPLICANT HAVE ON THE PROGRAMMING OF THE SITE? UM, THESE TYPES OF THINGS, WE DO TALK ABOUT A LOT AND THEY LIVE IN PARKLAND IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENTS.

SO FOR INSTANCE, IF, UM, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A, LIKE A LARGE YOGA CLASS OR A CONCERT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE THE, UM, PEOPLE WHO, UH, PARKS DOES NOT WANT TO, TO JUST UNILATERALLY SAY, WE'RE GOING TO RUN THIS PROGRAM ON RIGHT NEXT TO, UM, THIS BIG DEVELOPMENT.

WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT THE DEV, WE WOULD WANT THE DEVELOPER AND THE EVENTUAL OWNERS TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THIS EVENT GOING TO LOOK LIKE, UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S IT GOING TO INVOLVE? UM, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO, UH, CUT THEM OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION.

SO, UM, HOWEVER, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE CONDITIONS IN THE DEED THAT SAID THAT THEY WOULD HAVE VETO POWER OVER

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SO PARK DEVELOPMENT, THIS, I THINK IS ADMITTEDLY SOMETHING WHERE, UM, I WAS CONFUSED.

I MIGHT'VE HAD SOME, UH, I'VE HAD SOME DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT OVER TIME.

AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS NOW AND WHAT, WHAT IS, UM, WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE PUD, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THIS, THIS IS A PARK PLAN AND IT INCLUDES DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS A BOARDWALK, UM, PEER GREAT STEPS, UM, AND A PLACE PLAY AREA.

THESE AREAS ARE, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND, THESE ARE BEGINNING AREAS OF, OF A PARK PLAN.

HOWEVER, UM, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THESE ARE NOT ELEMENTS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO AS PART OF THE PUD.

THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD BE, THAT ARE PROPOSED SEPARATELY, AND THEY'RE PROPOSED AS PART OF A TAX INCREMENT FINANCE DISTRICT THAT THAT IS, UM, CURRENTLY PROPOSED.

SO, UM, JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT, UH, THAT THERE IS A LOT OF BACKGROUND IN HISTORY ON THIS AREA PLANNING THIS AREA.

AND, UM, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, WE MIGHT HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, UM, AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND FROM SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THESE, UM, THERE IS A VERY GRAND VISION FOR THIS AREA.

AND, UM, IT'S MOSTLY EXPRESSED IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLAN.

THIS, THESE ARE SOME PARTS OF IT.

UM, HOWEVER, JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THESE ARE NOT ELEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS PUD THAT ARE CONNECTED TO ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PUD.

AND I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE IT ON THE SLIDE, BUT IN YOUR BACKUP, THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT I HIGHLIGHTED FROM THE PLAN.

SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT IS PART OF CURRENT CODE, ALL DEVELOPMENT HAS BOTH A PARKLAND, UH, REQUIREMENT AND A DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT.

AND THE REASON AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAN ANYBODY ELSE THAT THE, UM, PARKLAND REQUIREMENT, UM, OR FEE AND LU IS USED TO EITHER OBTAIN PARKLAND OR TO PURCHASE PARKLAND.

SO THAT IS, UM, THAT'S THE BASIS OF THAT.

AND THEN THE SECOND REQUIREMENT IS DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S EITHER TO BUILD A PARK OR TO PAY INTO A FUND, WHICH WOULD THEN BE USED TO DEVELOP A PARK.

AND SO FOR SUPERIORITY OR FOR ANYTHING THAT IS BEYOND CURRENT CODE, WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR IS NOT ONLY THAT LAND REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT.

AND IN THIS, IN THIS ASPECT, IN THIS REGARD, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, UM, HERE $50 MORE PER UNIT, UM, THAN IS IN CURRENT CODE.

I EXPLAINED EARLIER THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THIS, THIS MODEL GOING FORWARD IS, IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE AS OPPOSED TO JUST GIVING LIKE A SPECIFIC DOLLAR FIGURE, WE NEED TO SAY THAT IT IS X AMOUNT ABOVE CURRENT CODE OR X PERCENTAGE ABOVE CURRENT CODE.

SO, UM, I'VE ACTUALLY KNOW AS PART OF MY PRESENTATIONS, I'VE REQUESTED A HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE THAN PER CURRENT CODE, AND THAT WAS BASED ON OTHER PUDS.

AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THAT.

PLEASE DID WANT TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT THAT, UM, TWO RECENT ONE WAS AUSTIN GREEN, WHICH WENT THROUGH PARKS BOARD, BUT WAS NOT ULTIMATELY APPROVED.

UM, THE INVESTMENT HERE WAS A HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE PER UNIT, BUT I DID WANT TO SAY THAT THERE WERE OTHER COMMITMENTS BEYOND THAT, UM, APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

SO, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS QUITE A BIT MORE, UM, AND THEN THERE WAS CAMELBACK, WHICH, UM, THE PARK INVESTMENT WAS NOT, IT, IT DIDN'T SAY A PER UNIT, BUT THE MINIMUM WAS, UM, THE MINIMUM INVESTMENT WAS $1.5 MILLION AND THEY WERE ALLOWED ONLY A MAXIMUM OF 200 UNITS.

SO DOING THE MATH THERE, IT SPLITS OUT

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TO QUITE A BIT PER UNIT.

UM, THIS IS PART OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLAN.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, UM, KNOWING WHAT I KNOW TODAY, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THIS IS, UM, THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THE MONEY WOULD GO.

SO, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IF THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE BUILDING THIS, THIS IS WHERE THE S YOU KNOW, THE CITY WOULD BE PUTTING SOME OF THE MONEY THAT THEY WOULD BE OBTAINING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND, UM, IT, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY FOLKS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PERUSE THE PLAN, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF THAT GRAND VISION.

SO TRIGGERING PHASING, NEXT SLIDE.

SO PART OF THE PUD ONE THAT INVOLVES PARKLAND IS, IS WHEN, WHEN AND HOW THAT PARKLAND WOULD BE DEDICATED.

SO THE APPLICANT, UM, CREATED THIS SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND, UM, THEY EACH HAVE, THEY PROPOSED TO DEDICATE THE PARKLAND IN CHUNKS AT THE END OF EACH PHASE.

UM, AND CLEARLY, UH, PART WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE IT AT THE BEGINNING.

SO, UM, THE THING IS THAT WE, WE DO WANT TO BE REASONABLE, AND I TH THERE, THERE'S SOME ELEMENT HERE OF YOU, UH, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DEDICATING A PARK AND YOU'RE BUILDING UNITS AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S SOME CONSTRUCTION CONSTRAINTS AND PRACTICALITIES THERE, AND THEY RELATE TO HOW YOU, HOW YOU ARRANGE YOUR CONSTRUCTION SITE, HOW YOU, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, UH, THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME GRADING THAT, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THE PARKLAND.

SO, UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE THEY PROBABLY REALISTICALLY COULD DEDICATE IT ON DAY ONE.

SO CLEARLY PART WOULD WANT TO RECEIVE THE PARKLAND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE WHERE IT WAS COMING IN THE MIDDLE, THE PARKLAND DEDICATION WAS COMING, UM, TRIGGERED ON, ON A SPECIFIC UNIT.

SO FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 500 UNITS PER PHASE, UM, WHAT I'VE SAID PRETTY CLEARLY IS THAT WE'D WANT TO GET IT IN THE FIRST HALF FOR EACH PHASE.

UM, SO, AND IN, IN A PUB, YOU CAN BE VERY SPECIFIC LIKE THAT.

YOU CAN SAY, WE WANT IT ON THE 200TH UNIT.

WE WANT THE PARKLAND TO BE DEDICATED ON THE 200 UNIT, AND THEN THEY, IF THEY, IF FOLKS WANT A PERMIT FOR UNIT NUMBER 201, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT PARK DEDICATED BY NUMBER 201.

CIRCULATION THROUGH THE SITE, UM, ADVANCED PLEASE.

SO BASICALLY, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT MIGHT HAVE SOME, UH, COMMENTS ON THIS SLIDE.

LIKE THEY, MAYBE THIS WAS NOT COMPLETELY UP TO DATE, OR MAYBE IT DOESN'T REALLY TELL THE STORY THAT WE WERE HOPING FOR, OR THAT THEY WERE HOPING FOR, BUT ACTUALLY, UM, I THINK WITH A FEW ADJUSTMENTS, IT, IT COULD TELL THAT STORY, UH, PLEASE ADVANCE.

SO THAT'S THE GREAT STEPS.

AND SO THAT'S AN ACCESS THAT'S PROPOSED TODAY.

AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD BE A VERY BEAUTIFUL CONNECTION AND IT SHOULD BE, UH, IT, IT WILL INCLUDE STEPS AND A RAMP I'M TOLD SO THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT THESE ACCESS POINTS TO ALL BE ADA.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A KEY FACTOR THERE.

UM, NEXT ONE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE EXISTING ACCESS TODAY.

UM, AND ACTUALLY IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE STEPS THAT GO FROM, UM, NORTH ON CONGRESS, DOWN TO THE BAT VIEWING AREA.

AM I SUPPOSED TO BE SEEING SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE CIRCULATION MAP HERE? YES.

YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE LITTLE YELLOW ARROWS? OH, YES, YES, SIR.

CAN YOU GO BACK ONE OR TWO LISTS? LET'S SEE THEM FLY ON AGAIN.

THERE YOU GO.

I SEE THAT LOOK COOLER ON THE ANIMATION THAT I MADE.

SO, UM, AND THEN THERE'S ONE MORE.

THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO LOSE.

SO, UM, I'M TOLD THAT THESE AREAS THAT THE, ALL THE CONNECTIONS WILL EXIST EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT'S ON THE FAR LEFT.

AND I THINK THAT THE, UM, THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE SOME, UM, SOME COMMENTS ON THAT, BUT, UM, THE IDEA IS THAT THE ONE ON THE FAR LEFT IS AN EXISTING ACCESS CONNECTION

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UM, THAT THAT IS, IS A NICE ONE.

UH, MAYBE NOT DELUXE, BUT VERY FUNCTIONAL.

AND SO HERE'S SOME IMAGES OF THAT ONE TOO.

UM, I, I'VE HAD VERY FEW IMAGES OF THE ACTUAL AREA, BUT HERE'S SOME FROM GOOGLE MAPS TO KIND OF SHOW Y'ALL TO REMIND YOU, UH, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

I'VE TAKEN THIS STAIRWAY MANY TIMES NEXT, AND THEN HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE COMING OFF OF THE CORNER OF, UM, THE DRIVEWAY, THE FIRST DRIVEWAY, WHERE YOU DRIVE INTO THE STATESMAN.

SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING NORTH, UM, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SEE THIS ON YOUR RIGHT AS YOU'RE JUST ABOUT TO CROSS THE BRIDGE.

AND THEN THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM IS YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PARKING LOT SEEING THE TRAIL.

SO IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S A VERY FUNCTIONAL CONNECTION AND WE'D WANT SOMETHING THAT DOES THAT.

I, I SUPPOSE THAT, THAT THEY WILL PROBABLY SAY THAT THE GREAT STEPS DOES THAT.

AND, UM, JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THAT, THAT FOLKS CAN REALLY GET THERE EASILY.

WATER, UH, ADVANCED PLEASE.

UM, SO THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT I FEEL THAT, THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY, UM, VERY RECEPTIVE, UH, TO, TO ME PERSONALLY, ON THIS AND TO, TO, TO PARKS BOARD, I THINK ALSO IS THAT THERE'S A POND IN THE VIEWING AREA, AND THERE'S SOMETHING, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE REALLY FOCUSED ON AND SAID THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN THE, IN THE BAT VIEWING AREA.

UM, AND, AND A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS.

UH, ONE, ONE THING TO SAY IS THAT THE PONDS ARE, UH, FOR WATER QUALITY AND DETENTION ON, UM, THAT IS RELATED TO THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH IS SIMILAR.

IT, THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLAN ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A BIG ASK OR A BIG, UM, UH, I GUESS BONE OF CONTENTION TO SAY THAT THIS, THIS, UH, POND IN THE VIEWING AREA WAS NOT MEETING THE INTENT.

SO THEY ARE PROPOSING NOW TO PUT THIS UNDERGROUND IN A SISTER.

SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A, UH, IT, IT, IT DOES, IT HAS NOW THEY HAVE MET THIS REQUEST.

SO I SAY GOOD ON THEM FOR THAT.

UM, ARE WE DONE WITH THE POND DISCUSSION? ARE WE DONE WITH THE WATER? NOT NECESSARILY.

UM, WE, WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE ASSURANCE THAT THE PONDS ARE, UM, THE PONDS ARE DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT DOES NOT LIMIT THE USAGE OF THE PARKLAND, THAT THEY'RE NOT FENCED, AND THEY'RE NOT DEEP, SO THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THEY'D BE DANGEROUS TO ANYBODY.

SORRY, CAN YOU CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THE CYST, THE SISTER IS INSTEAD OF ANY OF THE PONDS ON THE SLIDE, OR IN ADDITION, INSTEAD OF THE ONE SPECIFICALLY, WHICH IS IN THE BAT AREA, THE ONE NEXT TO THE BRIDGE, CORRECT.

SO THAT ONE IS GOING OKAY.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CISTERN? THEY CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

HOW'S IT GOING, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, THE SOUTH CENTRAL, THE REGULATING PLAN THAT WOULD GO WITH THE APPROVED SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN, THOSE REGULATIONS WERE PROPOSED AS A PART OF THEIR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE.

AND IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S AMAZING THAT THIS IMAGE WAS TAKEN OFF OF GOOGLE MAPS.

IT'S JUST A LOVELY PICTURE OF THE EXISTING BAT VIEWING AREA.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY LOVELY TODAY AND HOPEFULLY EVEN MORE LOVELY, UH, FROM THE DESIGN THAT THAT IS DONE.

SO DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE BEAUTY HERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR, YOU KNOW, REQUESTING TO, TO MOVE THAT, UM, OR TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT, THAT POND, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, UM, SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISION PLAN, UM, IT, IT IS APPROVED, UM, BUT, AND IT IT'S A GRAND VISION.

IT LACKS AN ACCOMPANYING ZONING, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT VISION, THE, THE, THE REGULATION PART, I DON'T THINK SO.

I DON'T THINK SO.

I MEAN, THAT WAS THE REGULATING PLAN.

SO I THINK THAT THIS, THIS IS WHAT HAS TAKEN THAT PLACE.

AND I MEAN, I WANTED TO HAVE SOME, SOME FOLKS, UM, SOME STAFF FROM, UM, THAT WERE, THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN AN URBAN DESIGN HERE, BUT MISSPEAK TO THAT SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT REGULATING PLAN.

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UM, AS I'M SURE YOU ALL HEARD THAT, UH, CODY WRIGHT WAS SUBJECT TO A RECENT LAWSUIT OF THE CITY IS APPEALING THAT LAWSUIT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE APPEAL WILL BE HEARD, I THINK, IN EARLY NOVEMBER.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S ON HOLD.

UH, THERE ARE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS GOING ON ABOUT POSSIBLY, UM, EITHER WAITING FOR, TO SEE WHAT COMES TO THE APPEAL OR RESTARTING PORTIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE, BUT NOT THE ENTIRE THING.

AND, UH, IT IS BEING DISCUSSED TO POSSIBLY INCLUDE THE REGULATING PLAN AS A PART OF THAT EFFORT.

SO IT IS STILL UNDER DISCUSSION, BUT THERE'S NOT A FINAL ANSWER JUST YET W WHILE YOU'RE THERE, IF THERE WAS A REGULATING PLAN IN PLACE, WHICH I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL ACTION WAS ORIGINALLY THAT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT TASK FORCE OR FORCE COMMISSION WAS DOING.

WOULD IT MAKE THIS PROCESS EASIER? YES, IT WOULD ACTUALLY PRECLUDE THE NEED FOR THIS PROCESS.

UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN GAVE DEVELOPERS GREATER ENTITLEMENTS, AND YOU HAVE ON THE GROUND TODAY, OKAY.

OR ARE EVEN ALLOWED TO UNDERSTAND ZONING, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, GREATER HEIGHT.

AND THEN OF COURSE REQUIRED THAT THEY DO CERTAIN THINGS IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PARKLAND, DEDICATION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

UM, SO IN AN IDEAL WORLD WHERE YOU HAD TO REGULATE AND PLAN THE METRO PLAN, THIS WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND NEITHER YOURSELF NOR THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE INVOLVED.

IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE FILING A SITE PLAN AND MOVING FORWARD.

BUT, BUT TO THAT NOW, CONSIDERING WHERE, WHERE THE DIRECTION WAS GOING.

SO HE GOT BROUGHT UP IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR GOT CAUGHT UP IN THAT.

WOULD THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO MORE OR LESS RELATING TO PARKLAND? THE PARKLAND DEDICATION HAS PROPOSED RIGHT NOW MATCHES THE EXTERNAL CENTRAL REQUIREMENTS.

IS, YOU KNOW, NORTH OF THE LAKE, OF COURSE I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE TUNNEL IS GOING, BUT TO ME, IT IS THE SOUTH OF THE LAKE IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT TRANSACTS, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHERE THE TRANSIT IS GOING TO BE THE TRANSIT.

THIS HOUSE, THAT REQUIREMENT.

SO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, UM, AND IT DOES REALLY, MOST OF THESE WEIGHED INTO TERRITORY THAT, THAT I'M LESS FAMILIAR WITH THE AUSTIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHICH HAS FORMED, AND WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN.

THE TAX IMPLEMENT TAX, IT SHOULD SAY TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICT.

UM, IT'S A FINANCING TOOL WHICH CAN BE USED IN THIS CASE.

AND THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE SOME ITEMS TO BRING UP ON THAT PROJECT CONNECT, UM, AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS EARLIER.

BUT THE THING ABOUT PROJECT, SO PROJECT CONNECT WOULD COME THROUGH THE EASTERN, THE FAR EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, LIKE THE BLUE LINE BRIDGE WOULD LITERALLY COME THROUGH AND HAVE SOME, UH, HAVE SOME AT LEAST POSTS.

AND IT'S, IT'S THE BRIDGE COMING ACROSS LADYBIRD LAKE.

THERE'S A STATION THAT'S PROPOSED THAT'S JUST TO THE SOUTH.

HOW WOULD THIS BE HANDLED IN THE PUD? WE'RE NOT GOING TO HANDLE IT IN THE PUD.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING IT IN THE PUD.

RATHER PARKLAND TAKING WOULD BE HANDLED SIMILAR TO OTHER AREAS.

SO WHEN, WHEN THAT DOES HAPPEN, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE, IT WOULD BE HANDLED SIMILARLY TO THOSE.

AND WE, WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE HOW THAT WILL BE DONE RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, I HAVE SOME IDEAS I CAN DISCUSS THEM IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, PROBABLY NOT GERMANE TO THIS DISCUSSION.

WELL, I MEAN, I'M VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE AUSTIN ROWING CENTER.

I MEAN THE ROW HOUSE AND YES, AND BEING ABLE TO USE THAT INNER MODALITY COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT LINE RIGHT OVER THERE, THAT TRANSIT CENTER.

SO WHAT WE CAN SAY TODAY IS THAT THE DESIGN IS PROPOSED TO COME THROUGH THERE.

THE 15% DRAWING SHOW THAT LINE COMING THROUGH, AND IT'S EVEN SHOWN ON SOME OF, SOME OF THEIR DRAWINGS.

UM, THE STATION IS PROPOSED TO BE JUST TO THE SOUTH.

AND THEN THE, REALLY THE QUESTION I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THE PARKLAND WAS HOW WOULD IT RELATE TO THE PARKLAND AND THE CREDITING? AND THE IDEA IS THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE, WE WERE PROPOSING A CREDIT BASICALLY AS IF IT WERE PARKLAND TODAY.

AND THEN THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY AT SUCH A TIME THAT THAT TAKING OCCURRED.

AND THEN THEY WOULD NOT RECEIVE THAT CREDIT ANYMORE.

AND YOU JUST CONFUSED EVERYBODY.

I DID MY BEST.

WELL, LET ME, LET'S, LET'S TRY AGAIN ON THAT.

AND THEN LET'S TRY AGAIN ON THE, UM, THE BOATHOUSE DISCUSSION, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT

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UH, SO BEING ABLE TO, HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THAT? SO WE CAN KEEP ROWING ON THE LAKE WITH A PART OF THIS PLAN.

SO IF WE CAN GET, WELL, CURRENTLY THERE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED THAT ARE PART OF PART OF THIS PLAN.

AND FOR THE PROJECT CONNECT, IT'S NOT, THAT'S PR THAT'S PROPOSED, BUT THE, THE LAND IS NOT BEING THE LAND IS NOT BEING TAKEN.

NOW IT MAY BE TAKEN IN THE FUTURE AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN OTHER PLACES IN AUSTIN, TOO, LIKE AUDITORIUM SHORES.

FOR INSTANCE, WE COULD ADD TO WHAT SCOTT IS SAYING.

I THINK WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS IS THAT PROJECT CONNECT IS NOT FAR ENOUGH, ALONG FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE REAL DEFINITIVE INFORMATION.

WE HAVE CONCEPTUAL IDEAS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE DESIGN.

WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE OF THE EXACT AMOUNT OF SPACE.

UM, WE'RE NOT SURE IF THINGS ARE GOING TO, UM, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SHIFT RIGHT.

LEFT UP DOWN THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE, WE VERY MUCH WILL BE KEEPING IN MIND THAT PROJECT CONNECT WILL NEED SOMETHING AND WE'LL ADDRESS IT APPROPRIATELY AT THAT TIME.

BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE TIME IN WHICH PROJECT CONNECT WILL ACTUALLY BE NEEDING THAT SPACE.

SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO, IT'S HONESTLY HARD FOR US RIGHT NOW TO TALK DEFINITIVELY ABOUT IT.

WE KNOW IT'S COMING, WE'RE IN CONSTANT CONVERSATIONS.

UM, THERE ARE STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE PART OF REGULAR MEETINGS.

I HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT IN A PLACE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER AS TO WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THIS SPACE, BUT THE TAKING AND THE CALCULATION.

SO THEY GET THEIR CREDIT, BUT WE LOSE PARKLAND DOWN THE ROAD WE GAVE CREDIT FOR BECAUSE IT'S THE CITY OR IT'S THE TRANSIT PARTNERSHIP THAT IS DOING THE TAKING.

AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD CLAW BACK THAT CREDIT AT THAT TIME.

SO WE WOULD BASICALLY, THEY, THEY WOULD NOT RECEIVE CREDIT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS ON THAT INSIDE THIS POD, THOUGH.

THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, THE, JUST THE RAIL LINE ITSELF.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT NOT THE STATION, WHAT HAPPENS.

YOU SAID THEY DON'T RECEIVE CREDIT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.

SO BASICALLY RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE SITTING AT A 6.6 0.78 ACRES CREDIT, NOT CREDITED, BUT 6.78 ACRES.

IF LET'S SAY FOR A SECOND THAT THEY TAKE AWAY HALF AN ACRE, BASICALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOSING THAT, THAT ACREAGE OF CREDIT FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS WOULD THEN BE, UM, THEY WOULD PAY THE REMAINING FEE IN LIEU.

NOW LET'S, LET'S BE CLEAR FOR THIS AMOUNT OF UNITS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING OUR FEE A HUGE AMOUNT OF FEE IN LIEU ANYWAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE UP ALL OF THEIR, ALL OF THEIR, UM, PARKLAND, DEDICATION NEEDS WITH LAND.

IN ORDER TO GET TO SUPERIORITY PARD STAFF.

UM, READY TO CONTINUE.

OKAY, THANKS.

UM, LET'S GO ON THE LAST ONE IS THE IMPORTANT DON'T ADVANCED YET.

THE LAST ONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT BULLET HERE.

THE PUD IS ZONING AND IT HAS REGULATORY AUTHORITY REGARDLESS OF THE ENTITY THAT IS BUILDING OR HOW FINANCING OCCURS.

SO BASICALLY THE IDEA HERE IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS THERE'S MANY, THERE ARE MANY COMPLICATED THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS AREA.

THE PUD IS THE ZONING.

AND SO IT IS GOING TO HAVE THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY, REGARDLESS OF THAT ENTITY THAT IS BUILDING, WHETHER IT BE ENDEAVOR OR ANOTHER GROUP, OR HOW THAT FINANCING OCCURS.

SO WHETHER THAT BE A TIFF OR THROUGH SOME OTHER MEANS.

SO BASICALLY WHAT IT, WHAT IT DOES IS IT TIES THE ENTITLEMENTS HEIGHT, IMPERVIOUS COVER COULD MODIFICATIONS TO THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE ACTUAL PARKLAND IN THIS CASE.

SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO I WANT TO SAY IT, READ THE STATEMENT WITH REGARDS TO PARKLAND STAFF FINDS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO BE FAIR OR OKAY.

NOT SUPERIOR.

WE HAVE CREATED A LIST OF ITEMS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED

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AND I PERSONALLY WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ACHIEVE THESE ITEMS AS PART OF THE PUD, AS THIS MOVES FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

THE FOLLOWING IS A CHART THAT SHOWS THE VARIOUS AREAS.

WE HAVE TWO SYMBOLS ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN, THE CHECK MARK, WHICH SHOWS COMMITMENT AND AN ASTERISK, WHICH SHOWS PART PARTIAL COMMITMENT.

SO DEDICATE BY DEED AS PUBLIC PARKLAND, AT LEAST 6.7, EIGHT, EIGHT ACRES ALONG LADY BIRD LAKE.

THAT'S A CHECK MARK REMOVED FROM DEED, ANY CONDITIONS REGARDING PARK PROGRAMMING.

THAT'S AN ASTERICK.

AND WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT, UM, IT'S NOW A CHECK MARK AND THAT, THAT IDEA THAT, THAT PARK PROGRAMMING COULD LIVE IN AN AGREEMENT, UM, NEXT DEDICATE BY PARK EASEMENT, GRANTING PUBLIC ACCESS, AT LEAST 1.5, NINE ACRES OF PLAZAS AND CONNECTIONS.

UM, THIS MAY NEED TO INCREASE, I, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN THIS EVENING FROM THE APPLICANT, I THINK IF IT INCREASES, IT WILL ONLY BE SLIGHTLY.

SO I THINK WE, WE CAN PROBABLY SAY THAT THAT'S A CHECK MARK, UM, PARK DEVELOPMENT INCLUDE INVESTMENT OF AT LEAST A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER UNIT BEYOND CURRENT CODE.

NOT EXPRESSED ENOUGH AS A FIXED AMOUNT THAT I BELIEVE IS NOW A CHECK MARK.

I WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, INCLUDE IN THE CODING, ASKED TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, RIGHT.

BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TH THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT IF, ALRIGHT, WELL, THAT'S ALIGNED TO PLANNING.

THAT'S WHY WE WORK.

IT'S BEING FAST TRACK.

SO IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

IT'S ALSO, I JUST WANT TO SAY, LIKE, WHEN YOU SAY WE'D HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, I MEAN, TO ME, IT'S LIKE, I NEED TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT THAT IT'S IN WRITING.

THIS IS RIGHT.

THIS IS AGREED TO RIGHT.

BUT THAT KIND OF GIVES A SENSE OF VAGUENESS AND UNCERTAINTY.

SO, SO WHEN YOU SAY CHECK MARK, BUT THEN IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE'RE WORKING.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO A CERTAIN WHAT YOU MEAN.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND IF, IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A CONSERVATIVE, IF IT'S SORT OF A CONSERVATIVE TACK, THEN WE HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S EITHER, IF IT HAS TO BE A CHECK MARK OR NO, THEN IT'D BE A, IT'D BE A NO.

SO, SO BOARD MEMBERS, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE ASTERIX THERE ARE BECAUSE WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO GET TO THIS, RIGHT.

WE KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN FAST-TRACKED.

WE KNOW THAT THIS HAS ALLOWED US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE TALKED TO BE ABLE TO, UM, GET US TO A DIFFERENT PLACE.

RIGHT? SO SCOTT IS ACTIVELY WORKING WITH THEM AND THERE ARE ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS, BUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAD WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS TO DO SOME CONFIRMATION OF THINGS, RIGHT.

AND PUT THINGS A HUNDRED PERCENT IN WRITING HASN'T HAPPENED.

BUT THAT'S WHY WE INVITED THE, THE APPLICANT TO COME HERE TODAY SO THAT YOU COULD ASK THE QUESTIONS AND THEY COULD GIVE YOU THEIR ANSWERS AND THEY COULD PROVIDE YOU THE CONFERENCE.

THEY WERE WILLING TO WRITE THEM DOWN AND SIGN IT.

THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE HERE ON TRACK.

THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.

I'M OKAY.

IF WE JUST ASK THEM QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM TOO, THAT WORKS, BUT JUST FOR THIS STUFF, I MEAN, I THINK NOT AGREED TO AT THIS TIME WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL TO US.

IT'S JUST HARD TO, WE'RE JUST, IT'S HARD FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT'S AN ASTERISK.

WE COULD, I THINK IT'S A CHECK AT THIS POINT IS LIKE, WE'RE NOT CLEAR WHAT THAT MEANS MOVING FORWARDS.

AND IT READS HOW THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

AND IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE, I WOULD SAY, NOT AGREED TO, AT THIS TIME WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

I NEED THAT.

I NEED TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT THAT WE ARE REALLY WORKING HARD AS IT SCOTT AS IS THE APPLICANT.

THAT WAS NOT AGREED TO WHERE IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE TO, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE LOOKED AT BY KATE AND OTHERS TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT IS PART OF THE FINAL PUD LANGUAGE.

SO WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT FOR US, BECAUSE THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.

AND SO IT'S JUST COMING TO US AND IT'S NOT SOLIDIFIED.

AND SO WE'RE LIKE MAYBE WE'RE WORKING ON IT OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO BE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU, YOU HAD THE CONFIDENCE IN KNOWING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING.

YEAH, NO, I, I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT FOR AN UPDATE, BUT YOU KNOW, MY KID IS ACTIVELY STUDYING RIGHT NOW AND HE'LL GET MONEY IF HE GETS AN A, BUT I'M NOT GIVING HIM THAT, THAT A, I'M GOING TO GIVE HIM THAT MONEY UNTIL HE GETS IT.

SO THAT'S WHERE, UH, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY AS WELL IS THAT, UM, THAT I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH THE CASE MANAGER, UM, KATE CLARK, WHO'S HERE TONIGHT.

AND, AND BASICALLY THE IDEA IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A CHECK MARK HERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE LOOKED AT THIS, THIS ENTIRE LIST AND THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE STAFF BACKUP.

AND, UM, IF, IF SOMETHING, IF FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A CHECK MARK, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS,

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SO I DON'T WANT FOLKS TO FEEL THAT IF WE HAVE A CHECK MARK, THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE, UM, IGNORED.

SO, UM, AND CAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE TOO, IS THAT, THAT WE, WE WOULD JUST KIND OF HAVE ALL CHECK MARKS AT SOME POINT AND THEN, UM, IT WOULD MOVE ON.

BUT, UM, LOOKING AT PARK DEVELOPMENT, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE SAID IT, WE INCLUDE AN INVESTMENT OF AT LEAST A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER UNIT, THAT SECOND BOX, INCLUDING THE, PUT A PARK PLAN THAT COMMITS TO SPECIFIC SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY, I WOULD TAKE THAT ASTRICK OUT BECAUSE THAT IS NOT AGREED TO, AND THAT IS NOT EVEN PARTIALLY COMMITTED TO.

SO BASICALLY THE, UM, THAT'S FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT, THE COMMITMENT IS TO THE INVESTMENT, NOT TO ACTUALLY BUILD THEM.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE TRIGGERING, SET A TRIGGER FOR FULL DEDICATION OF PARK SEGMENTS.

THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO PUT THAT TRIGGER AT THE END OF EACH PHASE, BUT NOT IN THE FIRST HALF.

SO THAT'S, THEY GET A CHECK FOR THE FIRST, BUT NOT THE SECOND.

AND FOR CIRCULATION PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM SOUTH CONGRESS TO, TO A TRAIL AND BAT VIEWING AREA.

SO REMOVE PAWN FROM BAT VIEWING AREA.

I THINK THAT'S A CHECK MARK NOW, UH, DEMONSTRATING AN AMENITIZED DESIGN FOR PONDS AND RAIN GARDENS.

UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, SO I, UM, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THAT'S AN ASTERISK, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOWARDS, INCLUDING THE PUD, A CAP ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF POND AREAS.

AND, UM, JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS IN THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT INITIALLY IT WAS 50,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO THAT, THAT IS A LARGE AREA.

AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE WITH THAT SISTER AND DESIGN, UM, LAST PIECE, UM, HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT THEY HAD A SECTION FOR LAND USE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE FOLLOWING LAND USES PERSONAL SERVICES, PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT SERVICES AND PET SERVICES.

UM, THE IDEA THAT IF IT'S FULLY DEDICATED PARKLAND, WE HAVE, WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SOME SECURITY IN THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY IN WHAT ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THAT WOULD HAPPEN THERE.

SO, UM, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS IS THE PARKS BOARD ACTION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING THE SUPERIORITY OF 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS, STATESMEN PUD AMENDMENT, AS IT RELATES TO PARKS.

UM, I DO WANT TO SAY OUR, I APPRECIATE THE BOARD MEMBERS IN SAYING THAT THIS HAS BEEN A VERY ADVANCED TIMELINE.

THIS HAS BEEN A MOOD VERY QUICKLY AT THE END.

AND, UM, I'M COMMITTED TO WORK WITH YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE INTO THE ULTIMATE, UH, THE ULTIMATE PUD PROPOSAL.

SO, UM, I DON'T PUT IT ON THEIR SHOULDERS AT ALL, BUT THAT ACTIVATION MEANS THAT WE HAVE DECISIONS THAT ARE, ARE DONE AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE BEFORE THEY COME TO US.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH IT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY I HAD A CONFERENCE DURING THE SPECIAL, SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, BUT I ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER ONE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE IS A URGENCY TO DO SOMETHING, THEN I ALSO ADD FOR US TO MAKE AN ACTION.

I FIGURED THAT URGENCY IS CARRIED BEFORE US, BY THE PARTIES INVOLVED TO MAKE DECISIONS AND TO GET THINGS FINALIZED.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT, THAT BREAK AND URGENCY IS.

AND IF YOU, I MEAN, IF, IF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS TO, TO GET IT DONE AND LET'S, LET'S SETTLE IT BEFORE IT GOES TO A VOTE WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS OR DIPLOMA HIS STUFF.

MY AT OUR SPECIAL MEETING, I SHOULDN'T SAY THEY SAID THAT THERE WAS SOME SIGN, IT KIND OF PROCESS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAD ACTIVATED THAT NO, I GET THAT.

NO, NO, NO.

I BELIEVE ME.

I I'M, I'M A BIG FAN OF, OF BOTH THESE FOLKS AND ALL OUR STAFF.

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AND NOT THAT OH YEAH.

WELL, I GUESS IN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I THINK SOMETIMES I'M WILLING TO MAKE A STRETCH ON THAT.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT RECOMMENDATION, IF THAT, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF A, B AND C IS DONE, THIS IS A LOT OF, I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE GOING THROUGH THE ALPHABET, GOING THROUGH IT, IF A, B, C, D E F G H I J K L M N O P.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE I ULTIMATELY DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M AGREEING TO.

I'M ASKED TO, TO RECOMMENDING SUPERIORITY ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FULLY BAKED.

IT'S LIKE ASKING, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THE TURKEY TASTE WHEN IT'S ALREADY ONLY BEEN IN THE OVEN FOR TWO HOURS? SO, I MEAN, I, I GUESS I'LL GO TO THE ACTUAL, THE SUBSTANTIVE QUESTIONS.

BOARD MEMBERS, IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, THE APPLICANT HAS SOME INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO SHARE WITH YOU PRIOR TO ASKING QUESTIONS.

I CAN'T SAY THAT.

THE APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE SIGNED AGREEMENTS THAT, THAT, UH, GO AHEAD AND, AND PUT THESE ALL INTO COMMITTED AS FAR AS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM FIRST WHILE I HAD A QUESTION, THE APPLICANT.

I, ALL I'M PROPOSING IS, IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SOME INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR IT PRIOR TO YOUR QUESTIONS, BOARD MEMBER DIPLOMA, IT'S CERTAINLY, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE WE NEED TO DO THAT FIRST.

THEN, THEN WE CAN COME BACK AROUND TO THE BOARD AND THAT, THAT, AND THAT WORKS FOR ME.

DO WE NEED TO NOTICE THAT THERE'S A HARD STOP AT 10? DO WE NEED TO MAKE NOTE THERE'S A HARD STOP AT 10 FOR THE ROOM? THE BOARD NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION TO GO BE ON 10 O'CLOCK.

WE DON'T HAVE THE HARD, THE NINE 30 HARD STOP THAT WE HAD AT REMOTE MEETINGS, BUT WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ONCE IT GETS CLOSER TO 10 O'CLOCK OKAY.

SO IS IT THE BOARD'S WILLED TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? OKAY.

THERE WE GO.

CALL THE CROCKET SITE, WHICH IS THE SITE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF US.

SO WEIRD WITH THESE MASS, UH, OR RUMORS OF THE PARKS, BOARD AND CHAIR.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

MY NAME IS RICHARD SUTTLE AND, UM, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THIS FOOT APPLICATION THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ON FILE WITH THE CITY FOR TWO YEARS.

UM, SOME OF YOU MAY FEEL THAT THAT'S RUSHING IT UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'VE, WE FEEL LIKE AFTER TWO YEARS, WE IT'S TIME TO START THE HEARING PROCESS.

UM, WE SHARE BOTH PARKS STAFF AND, AND YOUR ZEAL FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OR FOR THE PARKS FACILITIES.

UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE WE, WE ARE TRYING TO ADHERE TO THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLAN, BUT THERE IS NOT A MECHANISM TO DO IT.

WE WAITED FOR A WHILE FOR CODE NEXT TO COME AROUND, REGULATING PLAN DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, BUT, UM, THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER PET IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN THAT WAS DONE.

WE CALLED IT THE SNOOPY PUD.

MANY PEOPLE KNOW IT AS THE HOOTER'S PUB BECAUSE IT'S WHERE THE OLD HOOTERS WAS.

BUT THE REASON I RAISED THAT ONE IS BECAUSE EACH TRACT WITHIN THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN IS DIFFERENT AND HAS DIFFERENT BURDENS THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COVER THE SNOOPY PUD, BECAUSE IT WAS IN THAT TRIANGLE ACROSS FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

IT DIDN'T HAVE ROADS THAT COULD BE BUILT OR NEEDED TO BE BUILT.

IT DIDN'T HAVE PARKLAND BECAUSE IT WAS AN OFFICE BUILDING.

AND SO THE BURDENS WERE MET DIFFERENTLY IN THAT BED, THROUGH, UH, BEARING OF, OF, OF UTILITY LINES AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, CONTRIBUTIONS TO OTHER, OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS IN OUR CITY.

WHEN YOU MOVE OVER TO THE STATESMAN SITE, THE STATESMAN SIDE IS UNIQUE BECAUSE OUT OF ROUGHLY 18 ACRES, WHEN YOU BACK OUT ALL OF THE LAND, THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE PUBLIC REALM.

AND YOU BACK ALL THAT OUT, IT BASICALLY LEAVES ABOUT SIX ACRES FOR BUILDINGS, WHICH IS FINE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR INCREASED HEIGHT ON THOSE SIX ACRES.

BUT WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET FROM 18 TO SIX? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN ORIGINALLY CALLED FOR THE EXTENSION OF BARTON SPRINGS ROAD TO GO THROUGH WHAT I

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BUT THE CROCKETT FAMILY IS NOT READY TO PARTICIPATE IN SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN.

SO WHAT WE HAD TO DO IS MOVE THE ENTIRE CROSS SECTION OF BARTON SPRINGS ROAD WITH THE BIKE FACILITIES AND ALL ONTO THE STATESMAN SITE.

SO IF YOU, IN A MINUTE, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME, SOME, SOME DIAGRAMS, BUT BASICALLY, SO YOU'RE SQUEEZED FROM THAT DIRECTION WITH THE ROAD.

AND THEN THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN PUT THE MAJOR BURDEN ON THE STATESMAN SIDE OF A LOT OF PARKLAND, WHICH IS COOL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PARKLAND SHOULD BE.

SO THEN YOU SQUEEZE IT FROM THE RIVER AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD SOME, SOME ACCESS POINTS THROUGH THE SITE TO GET TO THE PARKLAND.

AND, UM, PRETTY SOON YOU'RE DOWN TO SIX ACRES.

SO I'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN IN THIS PROCESS FOR TWO YEARS AND THE REASON IT'S RUSHED UP NOW IS THERE IS A REMEDY IN THE CODE THAT IF YOU'RE JUST, IF YOU'RE JUST GOING ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND TALKING ABOUT STUFF, I CAN WRITE A LETTER TO THE CITY SAYING I'M READY TO HAVE HEARINGS, WHETHER THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION OR NOT.

AND AFTER TWO YEARS WE DECIDED IT WAS TIME.

AND I WROTE THE LETTER AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

NOW I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE PLANET.

THE FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION AVAILABLE TO US.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PUSHING THIS AND WE'RE NOT IN A HURRY IN THAT SENSE.

AND THIS PROBABLY WON'T GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION UNTIL PROBABLY WHAT, OCTOBER 26TH.

SO IN THE EVENT THAT YOU WANTED TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME WITH THIS BEFORE THE 26, YOU'VE GOT THE TIME, WE'RE NOT HERE TO PRESSURE YOU INTO A DECISION TONIGHT, BUT I DO WANT TO, I DO WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME THINGS THAT SCOTT SAID, BECAUSE HE'S, THERE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE REASONABLE MINDS CAN DIFFER.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SUPERIORITY, UM, CURRENTLY ON THIS SITE, THERE IS NO PARKLAND REQUIREMENT.

AND CURRENTLY THE ONLY PUBLIC ACCESS THAT ANYBODY HAS TO DECIDE IS A 15 FOOT, UH, TRAILER EASEMENT THAT GOES FROM WEST TO EAST ALONG, UH, THE SHORELINE.

THAT IS THE ONLY PUBLIC REALM THE CITY HAS.

THERE IS NO BAT VIEWING AREA.

THERE IS NO ACCESS EASEMENT DOWN FROM CONGRESS AVENUE TO THE TRAIL.

THERE IS NO ACCESS THROUGH THE SITE, TO THE TRAIL.

THAT'S THE CURRENT POSITION TODAY.

THE CODE SAYS THAT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, YOU CAN ONLY REQUIRE UP TO, TO REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO DEDICATE UP TO 15% OF THEIR LAND FOR PARKS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY THE PARKLAND FEE OVER THAT.

WELL, 15% OF OURS WOULD BE ABOUT 2.8 ACRES.

SO IF WE WEREN'T A PUD, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT THE CITY COULD GET WOULD BE 2.8 ACRES WITHOUT A FIGHT, I GUESS THERE COULD BE A ABOUT IT, BUT THE 15% IS IN CODE.

AND IF WE DON'T DO ANY RESIDENTIAL OR DON'T DO ANY HOTEL, THERE IS NO PARKLAND REQUIREMENT.

SO IF YOU START WITH THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THE LAND OWNER STARTS WITH AND LOOKS AT IT LIKE THERE'S NO ACCESS, THERE'S NO PARKLAND REQUIREMENT.

AND EVEN IF THERE WAS, YOU COULD ONLY GET 2.8 ACRES, BUT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DO THE ACREAGE IS WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE PONDS ARE NOT BEFORE YOU COULD GO ON MIND.

IF I ASK YOU A QUESTION RELATING TO WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT.

SO UNDER BY, RIGHT? SO IF YOU COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND DO BY, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT FOR WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS.

SO WHY DOESN'T THE, WHY DOESN'T THE OWNER GO AHEAD AND GO THAT ROUTE WELL BY RIGHT, WHAT WE'D BE STUCK WITH IS THE EXISTING PUD AND THE EXISTING PUD HAS SOME EXPANSION RIGHTS TO IT.

BUT BASICALLY, WELL, LET ME, LET ME GO AHEAD AND PULL UP.

CAN YOU, CAN WE PULL UP, CAUSE I'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF THE, THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE SITE.

THIS IS THE SITE TODAY.

UM, WHAT YOU SEE IN GRAY IS EXISTING BUILDING AND EXISTING SURFACE PARKING LOTS.

YOU CAN SEE IT NEARLY IMPINGES ON THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, WATER THERE.

AND NEXT SLIDE, THAT IS THE ONLY, THE RED IS THE ONLY PUBLIC ACCESS TO THIS SITE TODAY.

THAT'S IT? 15 FOOT TRAILERS, EASEMENT.

UM, THERE'S NO OTHER ACCESS.

THERE'S NO OTHER PARKLAND.

AND THE, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT TODAY.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED PARK.

THAT IS OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLAN.

IT'S GOT THE PUBLIC PLAZA AREA THAT YOU SEE THAT'S ACCESS.

AND THEN THE ADDITION OF OTHER TRAILS AND ACCESS POINTS.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THOSE ALL FIT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT A MINUTE, BUT THOSE ARE THE ADDITIONAL TRAILS AND PARKLAND THAT WE'RE SHOWING.

AND THAT'S GOING TO END UP SHOWING THERE'S, THERE WILL BE FIVE ACCESS POINTS IN ADDITION TO THE TWO THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THAT YELLOW THING AT THE BOTTOM IS THE PROPOSED BARTON SPRINGS ROAD EXTENSION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO OUR PROPERTY OR OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, BUT BECAUSE IT'S ON US, IT, IT KIND OF SQUEEZES, UH, THE PROPERTY, BUT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

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WE'VE WORKED AROUND IT.

THAT IS THE INTERNAL, UH, ROADWAY SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN, UH, REFERENCED.

AND IT'S GOING TO BECOME IMPORTANT TO YOU BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO SHOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET ACCESS TO THE PARK.

THESE ARE THE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE NECK NETWORKS THAT ARE PROPOSED, UM, TO GET TO THE PARK AND GET IN AND AROUND THE, THE, THE PROJECT.

AND YOU CAN SEE IF IT'S TOO SMALL FOR ME TO SEE WITHOUT MY GLASSES, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BIKE LANES THAT GO AROUND AND THE PEDESTRIAN WAYS YOU CAN COME OFF CONGRESS AVENUE, NOT EXACTLY IN THE SPOT THAT SCOTT WOULD LIKE, BUT IN A, IN A GRANDER SCALE, COMING OFF CONGRESS AND DOWN THROUGH THE PLAZA AREA OR THROUGH ONE OF THE INTERNAL ROADS OR TO THE EAST THERE, WHERE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ACCESS TODAY TO, UH, GET TO THE TRAIL DOWN THERE, UM, ON, ON THE EASTERN EDGE, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND THAT BASICALLY LEAVES US THOSE, THOSE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PARCELS, WHICH IS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LAND USE, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT, BUT THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE BUILT, WHAT I WOULD CALL THE BUILDING PADS.

NOW, ANOTHER INTERESTING THING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS SUPERIOR TO PARKS, ALTHOUGH IT'S KIND OF UNRELATED IS UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THIS IS TO DO THE PARKING SITUATION WHERE YOU DON'T GO UNDERGROUND.

YOU BUILD YOUR PARKING UP THE FIRST SIX OR EIGHT LEVELS, AND THEN YOU PUT YOUR BILLING ON TOP OF THAT.

IF YOU DID THAT ON THIS SITE, THAT WOULD CREATE BASICALLY A WALL AND WOULD WALL OFF THE RIVER.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO AND IS TO PUT ALL OF OUR PARKING UNDERGROUND, WHICH IS QUITE A FEAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING SEVERAL THOUSAND PARKING SPACES UNDERGROUND.

SO THAT THEN YOU, WHEN YOU PUT YOUR BUILDINGS ON TOP, YOU'VE GOT AIR AND LIGHT THROUGH THEM.

SO YOU'RE NOT WALLING OFF THE PARKLAND.

AND I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER FROM HERE, WHAT OTHER SLIDES WE HAVE, BUT LET ME SEE WHAT'S IS THERE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S A COMPARISON OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN ON YOUR LEFT? IT SHOWED THE BARTON SPRINGS ROAD WAS GOING ACROSS US ON THE CORNER AND THEN CUT ACROSS THE CROCKET SIDE TO THE SOUTH AND SHOWED THE INTERNAL ROADS BECAUSE WE HAD TO SHIFT IT ALL OVER.

UM, WHAT, WHAT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS IS THE PROPOSED BARTON SPRINGS ON OUR LAND AND PLUS THE INTERNAL ROADS, PLUS THE PLAZA AREAS THAT GET YOU DOWN TO THE PARK.

AND LET ME SEE, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THIS, THIS HAS SHOWN JUST BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS, THIS IS ONE RENDITION.

IF, IF, IF WE DIDN'T, IF WE WERE LIMITED TO THE 15% DEDICATION, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE, IF WE HAD APARTMENTS AND HOTELS AND WE HAD TO DEDICATE UNDER CONVENTIONAL ZONING, THAT DARK GREEN IS ALL THE CITY COULD ASK FOR ANOTHER SLIDE WOULD SHOW IT IF YOU WANT TO DO A LINEAR PARK, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT REPRESENTS 2.8 ACRES OF 15% OF THE LAND.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE LAST SLIDE.

AND HOW HIGH COULD YOU, HOW HIGH COULD YOU BUILD UP WITH THAT? UM, UNDER, UNDER THE EXISTING POT, IT'S LIKE 96 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 90, 96 FEET.

AND WE'RE ASKING FOR QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN THAT.

SO THE TRADE IS MORE PART, I THINK, TO BE CLEAR THE QUESTION, IF YOU COULD BUILD A PARK, YOU CAN'T BUILD APARTMENTS UNDER THE EXISTING PUD.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO WHAT HYPE WOULD IT BE IF YOU'VE GOT A ZONING CHANGE TO BUILD APARTMENTS? CAUSE WOULDN'T, IF YOU DIDN'T GET A PUD AND WERE NOT, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET A ZONING CHANGE TO BUILD APARTMENTS AND HOTELS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

WITH JUST STIPULATING THOSE CONDITIONS IN BOARD MEMBER.

SO WHAT WILL YOUR HEIGHT TO BE DONE? 96 FEET UNDER THE CURRENT ONE? I'M PROBABLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AND THIS WOULD BE A DISASTER, BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD GO IN AND ADD THE EXTRA FEET THAT WERE ALLOWED TO ON THIS BUILDING.

AND THEN THE BUILDING WOULD NEVER BE PULLED BACK AWAY FROM THE WATER AND THERE WOULD BE NO HOTELS AND NO RESIDENTIAL.

SO THERE WOULD BE NO PARKLAND REQUIREMENT.

AND YOU'D BASICALLY GET THAT WITH SOME MORE BUILDING ON TOP, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

AND I, I KNOW IT'S NOT WHAT I WANT EITHER, BUT SO HAVE YOU CONTINUED, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO, HOW WE'RE GOING TO SURE.

AND WE ARE GOING TO GET THERE.

I PROMISE WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.

WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE, UM, EXCUSE ME, BUT HAVE, IN THAT TWO YEARS, I THOUGHT THAT IT HAD COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE YOU WERE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS.

WELL, I HAVE SOME OF THESE THINGS NOT BEEN RESOLVED, UM,

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IN THE PUD PROCESS.

EACH DEPARTMENT WANTS YOU TO BE SUPERIOR IN THEIR DEPARTMENT.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE PARKS PULLING ON YOU.

YOU HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION GUYS PULLING ON YOU, YOU HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL GUYS PULLING ON YOU, YOU HAVE THE UTILITIES PULLING ON YOU, BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S A PUSH PULL THING WITH THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

AND SO WHAT WAS THE PUSH RIGHT NOW TO RUSH US, TO RUSH THIS RUSH? WELL, THERE IS IN A SENSE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, WE WERE TOLD THAT TONIGHT IS OUR CHANCE TO VOTE ON THIS AND IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND A MONTH BEFORE WE CAN MEET AGAIN.

WELL, AND I, I, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU'VE MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.

I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE, UM, HAVE Y'ALL HAD A PRESENTATION OR WAS THAT AVIALABLE? NO, WE HAVEN'T.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS BEFORE.

YOU HAVEN'T.

I GUESS IT WENT TO UVA BOARD.

WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IF WE WERE INVITED TONIGHT.

UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN IN THE PROCESS FOR TWO YEARS.

THIS, THIS COULD HAVE, WE, WE COULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU EARLIER, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT, BUT IT'S NOT REASONABLE TO KEEP SOMEBODY IN THE PROCESS.

I DON'T THINK MY OPINION.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS LISTENING TO YOU TALK, UM, HOW MANY UNITS ARE YOU PLANNING? IT'S ABOUT 15.

LET'S SEE, RIGHT NOW WHAT'S PROGRAMMED IS ABOUT 1,378 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND ABOUT 275 HOTEL ROOMS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WAS THE SECOND NUMBER? 275.

REMEMBER THOSE ARE, THOSE WOULD BE CAPSULE.

THE, THE WAY THE PUTT ORDINANCE WOULD SAY IT WAS, IT WOULD SAY UP TO THAT MANY ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? OKAY.

I WANT EVERYBODY I'VE GOT COMMON.

YEAH, I, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER SOMETHING.

UM, MY THOUGHTS TO OFFER TO THE BOARD ABOUT WHY WE, UM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT WANT TO PURSUE THIS TAKING ACTION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT STAFF AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HELPING TO MAKE THIS, WHATEVER PARKLAND IS HERE, THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IT, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD, UM, IF WE ACCEPTED THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON.

SO THE, THE QUESTION AT HAND ISN'T, UM, DO WE AGREE THAT, UM, STAFF HAS CORRECTLY, YOU KNOW, SIGNED OFF ON OR NEGOTIATED ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS? IT'S SAYING THE, WE AGREE THAT THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MET FOR SUPERIORITY.

SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE COULD, WE STILL, IT'S STILL WORTHWHILE TAKING ACTION NOW.

UM, OR, YOU KNOW, WHILE, EVEN THOUGH THESE NEGOTIATIONS ARE STILL PROGRESSING, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST, WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR WHAT, WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE THINK IT TAKES TO ACHIEVE SUPERIORITY? NOT NECESSARILY LIKE CHECKING THE WORK OF STAFF ON THIS, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYONE? I, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE, IT WOULD STILL BE RELEVANT HERE AND THAT WE, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH.

THANK YOU EVEN THOUGH, WELL, YOU WANT TO SUPPORT STAFF IN THEIR ENDEAVORS AND THE FRAUD PROCESS THROUGH EVEN, UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOLIDIFIED AND WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD TO SUPPORT STEPH'S EFFORT.

IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT'S YOUR WELL, SO I, I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITE STANCE ON THIS, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UH, IT, IT'S STILL WORTHWHILE FOR US TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.

UM, BECAUSE THE, THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE HERE IS THAT WE SUPPORT SUPERIORITY.

IF ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS ARE MET, SAY THAT WE SAY THAT WE CHOOSE TO TAKE ACTION ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UM, THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE'RE STILL PLAYING A ROLE IN GETTING IT TO THAT SUPERIORITY, BUT MAYBE I'M NOT CORRECTLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT KIND OF ROLE OF PARKS BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE.

LIKE, DO YOU TYPICALLY, ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT, DO WE TYPICALLY TAKE ACTION ON THESE THINGS AFTER EVERYTHING HAS ALREADY BEEN AGREED TO, OR IS IT TYPICAL FOR US TO KIND OF WEIGH IN LIKE MIDWAY? IT DOESN'T SEEM WEIRD TO ME TO, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THIS LIST OF CONDITIONS THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MUTE SUPERIORITY, I FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING

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AND I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND WE HAVE DONE CONDITIONAL APPROVALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PAST.

I THINK MY HESITATION HERE IS ONE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PROPERTY AND TO THE, THE AMOUNT OF CONDITIONS OF THAT STILL EXISTS.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S MY, MY HESITATION, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT YEAH, YEAH, NO, AND I, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO ALONG WITH WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH, IF WE WANT TO DEFER IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE HAVE MORE TIME.

THAT'S FINE.

BUT I THINK THAT IT IS I'M, I FEEL COMFORTABLE, UM, PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, VOTING TO TAKE ACTION WITH THAT KIND OF CONDITIONAL, UM, LIST OF STIPULATIONS.

WELL, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UM, FOR SARAH AND THAT I'M GOING TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SETTLE BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY, NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.

DID YOU WANT TO ASK SOME MORE QUESTIONS? VICE CHAIR? NO, NO QUESTIONS.

JUST, I MEAN, I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS.

UM, WHY DON'T, I, I, THERE ARE PROBABLY QUESTIONS THAT OTHER, THAT OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE.

WELL, I, I, I THINK BOARDMAN MERCON SEIBEL HAS WORKED ON THIS.

SHE PROBABLY HAS A LOT TO ADD TO IT FOR SURE.

YEAH, LET'S DO.

AND, AND TO BE, SHOULD I JUST SIT REAL QUICK ON MY CONDITIONS TO QUALIFY? IT'S JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH.

I MEAN, MY QUESTION TO HAVE QUESTIONS ON, CAN I ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND ABOUT THE STAFF FIRST? YES, OF COURSE THERE ARE SO MANY, OH, I WOULD JUST SAY IN MY OPINION, THAT A LOT OF THE CONDITIONS ARE A LITTLE VAGUE AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD DETERMINE IF THE CONDITION WAS MET OR NOT.

AND SO THAT'S.

AND GET THE STUFF OUT OF IT.

YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, SO CAN WE PULL UP THE, I THINK LIKE SLIDE 22 MIGHT BE A HELPFUL ONE.

I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S THIS WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT THE STORMWATER PONDS IN THE PARK AREAS.

THERE WAS MENTION OF USING AN UNDERGROUND CISTERN INSTEAD OF LIKE A MORE TRADITIONAL STORMWATER, UM, POND.

IT FEEL, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD EXAMPLES IN AUSTIN RECENTLY WHERE WE ARE INCORPORATING STORM WATER INTO, UH, PARKS USING WET PONDS GO, MUELLER'S GOT SOME REALLY GOOD EXAMPLES.

THERE'S THE BIG POND IN THE MIDDLE.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT ARE USED AS FIELDS WHEN THERE'S NOT A LARGER RAIN EVENT.

AND I CAN'T DETERMINE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN.

I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A SENSE AT ALL FOR LIKE WHAT TYPES OF PONDS THESE ARE, IF THEY'RE THEY'RE LINED, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE EERIE.

I MEAN, ALSO, LIKE I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT LIKE REUSING WATER FOR IRRIGATION ON SITE FOR THE PARK AREAS AND WHAT I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT AN UNDERGROUND SYSTEM.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME THAT WE'D SHOVE ALL THAT WATER OUT OF SIGHT AND OUT OF THE WAY, AND THEN DISCHARGE IT.

AND SURE, I CAN ADDRESS THAT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CONCISE WAY.

THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN CALLED FOR GREEN WATER INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE PLACED WITHIN THE PARKLAND AND THOSE THAT CAN BE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS.

WHAT WE PROPOSED WERE SOME RAIN GARDENS, WHICH ARE VERY SHALLOW.

UM, WATER GOES IN, WATER, GOES OUT, THERE'S PLANTING, RIPARIAN PLANTINGS, AND, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A WATER TREATMENT FACILITY.

IT ALMOST LOOKS IT'S, IT'S NOT A POND.

AND, BUT IT'S PART OF THE PARK SITUATION, THE POND OVER BY UNDER CONGRESS, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

THAT WAS A, A BIOFILTRATION POND.

AND THAT IS ONE THAT'S DEEPER, REQUIRED A FENCE AROUND IT.

IT'S, UH, PROBABLY MORE SIMILAR TO THE ONE OVER NEAR CESAR CHAVEZ AT LAMAR.

AND WE WERE CONVINCED BY THE PARK STAFF THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD WALL YOU OFF FROM THE PARK BECAUSE THAT'S AN AREA THAT JUST ABSOLUTELY COULDN'T BE USED.

SO WE WENT BACK TO OUR GUYS AND SAID, HOW COULD WE REPLACE THE CAPTURE VOLUME OF THAT POND? AND PUT THAT BACK INTO BASICALLY PLAY SPACE.

AND THE IDEA CAME TO BUILD A VERY LARGE UNDERGROUND RAINWATER CAPTURE TANK.

THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU, IT'S A, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET LONG BY FIVE FEET, DEEP BY SEVEN IT'S, IT'S BIG.

YOU, YOU RUN YOUR STORMWATER INTO IT.

IT SETTLES OUT YOU PUMP THE WATER BACK OUT FOR IRRIGATION NEEDS WITHIN THE PARK.

AND THEN IT DOES COME WITH A MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU GOT TO GO IN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE

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BUT IT IS ALL UNDERGROUND.

WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT ENABLES US TO OPEN UP THAT AREA NEXT TO CONGRESS AVENUE AS IS MORE OPEN SPACE.

PEOPLE WILL PLAY ON DOGS TO RUN ON THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED TO SEE IF WE COULD DO ANY OF THE RAIN GARDENS IN AN UNDERGROUND, UM, RAINWATER CAPTURE SYSTEM.

AND WE WERE NOT CONVINCED YET THAT WE HAVE THE ROOM TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY THE STRATEGY IT'S HELPFUL.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BE NICE IF THERE IS A LESS MECHANICALLY ENERGY AND ENERGY INTENSIVE WAY TO MANAGE THAT STORMWATER.

UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS ABOUT THIS BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE BRIDGE.

UM, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW HIGH THAT BUILDING WOULD BE? WELL, WE DON'T NOTHING'S BEEN APPROVED YET, BUT THAT ONE IS SLATED TO BE POTENTIALLY 365 FEET TALL.

NOW AGAIN, NO.

AND SO THE AREA BETWEEN IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AS THE ENTRY TO THE PARK.

SO WE'LL ACTUALLY KNOW, UM, THE AREA BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.

YES, YES.

BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ALONG CONGRESS RIGHT NOW IS, IS RAISE THAT GRADE UP SO THAT THE BUILDING IS MORE MEETING CONGRESS AT THAT POINT.

AND WHAT SCOTT IS SAYING, IS IT RIGHT WHERE SCOTT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ACCESS IS WHERE WE'RE RAISING THAT GRADE UP.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE BUILDING PAD, BUT, BUT JUST, YOU JUST MOVE OVER.

AND I DON'T, WITHOUT MY SIDE'S UP THERE, BUT I CAN'T REALLY SHOW THIS, BUT INSTEAD OF GOING RIGHT AT THE BRIDGE, YOU WOULD COME IN THROUGH THE STAIRS AND DOWN, BUT THE STAIRS ARE GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 360 FOOT TALL BUILDINGS.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE INVITED TO GO IN THERE AND THEN GO DOWN THESE STAIRS.

AND THEN THERE'S AN, WHAT IS THE HYPE PROPOSED FOR THE OTHER BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT UNDER THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN, THERE WERE MULTIPLE HEIGHTS.

WELL, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT? PARDON ME? I'M JUST WANTING TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.

WELL, THEY RANGE FROM THE TALLEST RIGHT NOW IS 525 FEET TALL.

AND AS YOU GO EAST, THEY GET DOWN TO ABOUT 150 FEET TALL.

SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WE WERE ON EARLIER? CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO, I DON'T.

WELL I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE TRYING TO ENTER AND GO BETWEEN THESE REALLY TALL BUILDINGS, EXTREMELY TALL TO GET DOWN TO THE PARK, UM, IS VERY CONFUSING TO ME.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S, UH, AN ACCESSIBLE AND WELCOMING PARK.

AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO SCOOT THAT BUILDING NEXT TO THE BRIDGE OVER AND PROVIDE AN ACCESS RIGHT NEXT TO THE BRIDGE.

UM, AND EVEN IF YOU COULD PUT THAT HOPE OF THAT WHOLE STAIRCASE NEXT TO THE BRIDGE, BUT, BUT AN ACCESS NEXT TO THE BRIDGE, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WOULD GO A LONG WAYS TOWARDS IMPROVING SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE HERE.

I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT WE DO NEED TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT NINE 50 ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO CONTINUE PAST 10 O'CLOCK.

SO I MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE.

I HAVE.

SO WE MADE THAT.

WE CAN THEN DO WE NEED TO SET UP A SPECIFIC TIME TO YOU TILL 10 30? OKAY.

LET'S PLAN TILL 10 30.

I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT WHILE YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT PONDS.

I THINK THAT'S AVA IN THE BACK.

AND THEN, UM, I NEED TO VOTE ON THIS FIRST AND THEY'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF EXTENDED UNTIL 10 30.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ONE? OH, A SECOND.

SHE'S SECONDED.

AND ARE YOU SAYING NO BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR? I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH BEFORE THEN.

I WAS GONNA POINT OUT, UH, IF WE COULD GET, SORRY, I I'M SO SORRY.

I WANTED TO SEE A BOARD MEMBER DECARLO IF SHE WANTED TO VOTE.

CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE HER.

DID WE START THE VOTE? NO, WE'RE BUDDY.

NOT BINDING TO WHETHER WE EXTEND THE 10 30 OR NOT.

ON, BUT I STILL THINK YOU NEED THE ACCESS NEXT TO THE BRIDGE.

THANKS CHARLOTTE.

JUST ONE COMMENT.

THE SCALE ON THAT IS DECEIVING.

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH SOME NARROW WALKWAYS AND DOWN SOME NARROW STEPS TO GET TO THE PARK, BUT THE SCALE IS DECEIVING.

IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'LL BE VERY CLEAR WHERE YOU CAN GET THROUGH THERE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I STILL THINK THAT ACCESS TO THE BRIDGE WOULD BE MUCH MORE DESIRABLE AND UM, MAYBE YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME BETTER SCHEMATICS AND DESIGNS THAT WE COULD SEE A LOT OF THE SLIDES WITH JUST THE HATCHING AND THE, THE HAND MARKS WERE HARD TO TELL WHAT WAS GOING

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THANKS.

I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY TO OFFER IN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PONDS.

I THINK EVA IS HERE FROM ENVIRONMENTAL ED.

IF SOMEBODY BACK THERE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

SOMEBODY FROM WATERSHED LOW COMMISSIONERS EIGHTH, THE PHILIPS WITH WATERSHED PROTECTION.

UM, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEW POND PLAN.

WE'VE TALKED INFORMALLY ABOUT, UH, IF IT WOULD BE ALLOWED, IT IS ALLOWED BY CODE DOES NOT ALLOW THEM THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.

AND SO IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO PUT THE OTHER PONDS UNDERGROUND, THEY'D HAVE TO MOVE THEM OUT OF THE PARKLAND ENTIRELY.

AMENDMENT APPLICATION ASKS FOR SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPERS YET GIVES BACK LESS, UM, MORE LIKE SEVEN RATHER THAN THE UN ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED IT WAS NINE ACRES OF PARKLAND, DEDICATION THAN PRESCRIBED IN THE CITY'S APPROVED PLAN.

DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? WELL, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK REALLY THAT MY PATIENTS IS SORT OF OUT WITH THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN IN THESE DISCUSSIONS AND WE'VE LISTENED AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN ON THE SCHWAB COMMITTEE AND LOOKING AT THINGS AND STUDYING AND READING.

AND THIS IS STUFF THAT HAS COME UP OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED.

AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THERE'S A REALLY CLEAR, OBVIOUS ANSWER.

AND THAT IS, THIS PUD IS NOT NAILED DOWN YET.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT NAILED DOWN.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE CONCERNED THAT THE STAFF HAS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.

AND A PUD IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HIGHLY SUPERIOR.

IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FIGHTING A LITTLE BITTY THINGS LIKE, UH, PLEASE GIVE US ACCESS.

THAT WAS PART OF THE VISION PLAN.

THIS VISION PLAN.

LET ME REMIND YOU WAS WORKED ON FROM 2012 TO 2015, HAD TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF STAKEHOLDER INPUT.

IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY SUNK INTO IT, A LOT OF VOLUNTEER HOURS.

I THINK WE GOT THE NOTE FROM SOMEBODY TODAY THAT WAS ON THAT COMMISSION AND SAID, PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ALL THE TIME WE PUT INTO THIS AND THE EFFORT AND THE CITY DEPARTMENTS WERE INVOLVED IN THIS WATER, AUSTIN WATER, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AUSTIN, ENERGY CONSULTANTS, LANDOWNERS.

THERE'S A HUGE, HUGE SECTION OF THE PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED.

AND I THINK THIS IS NOT LIKE WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK IF THIS LAND OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT IN THIS PUD THAT YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT, I'M SORRY, I LIKE YOU GUYS, BUT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT COULD BUY THIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS A DESIRABLE PARCEL.

AND I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE VISION PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS THE LAST ACCESS THAT WE HAVE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN FOR THE PUBLIC TO REACH THE BEACH, TO REACH THE LAKE, TO REACH THE TRAIL.

IT'S NOT TRUE THAT THERE ARE NOT ACCESSES BEYOND JUST THE GETTING THERE FROM THE TRAIL.

THERE IS AN ACCESS FROM CONGRESS AVENUE BRIDGE AND PEOPLE DO ALREADY THINK OF THAT AS A PARK.

AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THIS AS THAT WE ARE TAKING AWAY THE LAND.

THAT IS THE PARK, THAT'S JUST PUBLIC PERCEPTION.

AND SO I FEEL LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PET AMENDMENT, I, I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS DAY AND NIGHT FOR WEEKS AND TRYING TO GET UP TO SPEED WHEN I STARTED IN THE SPRING ON THAT, ON THE SCHWAB BOARD.

AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE GETTING THIS RUSH THROUGH.

THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN DO IS SAY THAT WE DENY THIS AND GIVE SOME OF THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS AND I HAVE SENT TO YOU SOME OF MY THOUGHTS AND I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE ANY INPUT.

UM, SAMMY SENT THE SAM OUT TO YOU THIS EVENING.

I DIDN'T DO THIS AHEAD OF TIME, BUT I CAN READ IT TO YOU AND JUST SEE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE, OR IS THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE THIS, THIS WAS A DRAFT THAT I WAS WORKING ON.

SO WHEREAS THE CITY OF AUSTIN RECOGNIZES SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING LOCATIONS NEAR DOWNTOWN THAT OFFERS PUBLIC ACCESS TO LADY BIRD, LAKE AND BUTLER HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL.

WHEREAS CONSIDERABLE TIME AND EFFORT BETWEEN 20 28, 12 AND 2015 WAS SPENT GATHERING INPUT FROM STAKEHOLDERS, NEIGHBORS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPONENTS, ENVIRONMENTALIST, WATERSHED SPECIALIST, CITY STAFF, WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, AUSTIN WATER, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AUSTIN ENERGY TRANSPORTATION'S CONSULTANTS, LANDOWNERS TO ENVISION THE BEST USE OF THIS PARCEL FOR THE RESIDENTS OF AUSTIN.

WHEREAS THE STAKEHOLDERS CREATED A BEAUTIFUL WELL-DOCUMENTED AND VETTED VISION PLAN PROVIDING A SIGNATURE PUBLIC PARK AND TRAIL.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE WORD FROM APPROVED TO ADOPTED BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE OF 2016.

WHEREAS THE GOAL SET FOR THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATER FLAT AND INCLUDE ESTABLISHING A LIVELY, ATTRACTIVE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT, EXPANDING OPEN SPACE AND CREATING GREAT PUBLIC SPACES AND ENHANCING CONNECTIONS TO, AND ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

WHEREAS THE CITY HAS APPOINTED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION INTENDED TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS IRREPLACEABLE TRACT OF LAND IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO BENEFIT THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY.

WHEREAS THE 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS PEDIMENT IS BEING REQUESTED AHEAD OF THE SEAS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT RULES AND REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CODIFIED.

WHEREAS THE 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT

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WHEREAS A PUD AMENDMENT MUST PROVE SUPERIORITIES TO THE ESTABLISHED GOALS AND PROVIDES SPECIFIC DETAILS, WHICH I THINK IS THE REAL FAULT HERE.

THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC DEAL.

IT IS NOT IN WRITING.

AND IF WE GIVE THIS PUD RIGHT NOW, OUR APPROVAL, WE'RE GIVING CARP LAUNCH, NOT, NOT ONLY TO THEM, BUT IF THEY SELL THE LAND TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO ARGUE THESE DETAILS ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SUPPORT FOR CHARITIES TO THESE STREETS.

WHEREAS THE SOUTH CONGRESS PUD AMENDMENT HAS NOT RESPONDED TO A NUMBER OF KEY CONCERNS FROM STAFF.

WHEREAS THE 305 SOUTH CONGRESS PET AMENDMENT DOES NOT ALLOW THE CITY OVERSIGHT OR CONTROL OVER PUBLIC PROMPT PROGRAMMING IN THE PUBLIC PARKLAND AND THE TRAIL.

WELL, SORRY.

THIS IS SO LONG.

WHEREAS THE 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS PEDIMENT DOES NOT IDENTIFY THE TRIGGER OR TIMING OF THE DEEDING PARKLAND IN A CLEAR AND PRECISE MANNER AND COULD PRECIPITATE CLOSURE OF THIS LAND DURING CONSTRUCTION.

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD DENIES THE SUPERIORITY OF THE 305 SOUTH CONGRESS PET AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED.

THAT COULD IT'S BECAUSE IT'S FOUND TO LACK CRITICAL PARKLAND.

SUPERIORITIES BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE ISSUES LISTED BELOW INDICATE SOME WAYS THIS PUD AMENDMENT COULD BE RESOLVED.

SIGNATURE PARKLAND MUST BE PROPERLY DATED TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN RATHER THAN LEFT AS EASEMENT IN THE PET AMENDMENT.

AND THE DEEDING OF THAT PARKLAND MUST BE TRIGGERED BY SPECIFIC DEADLINES AND PROGRESS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT PARKLAND DEDICATED TO THE CITY MUST BE APPROXIMATELY NINE ACRES.

SIX OF THE ACRES OFFERED BY THE PUDDLE AMENDMENT ARE ON LAND.

THAT'S ALREADY UNBUILDABLE DUE TO WATERFRONT OVERLAY CONTROL OVER PROGRAMMING OF THE PUBLIC PARKLAND AND TRAIL MUST BE AWARDED TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN FOR PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY.

THE GRAND STAIRCASE, WHICH IS THE AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE ADA COMPLIANCE SHOULD REMAIN LOCATED NEXT TO THE ANN RICHARDS CONGRESS AVENUE BRIDGE FOR PUBLIC VISIBILITY AND ACCESS TO THE PARKLAND RETENTION PONDS WITH RUNOFF FROM THE DEVELOPMENT MUST BE MITIGATED.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT IN WRITING YET AS CURRENTLY SHOWN ONE LARGE POND UNDER THE BAT WOULD BE DEEP ENOUGH TO REQUIRE FENCING, BUT WE CAN FIX THIS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND ALL THREE RETENTION PONDS, LOCATE RUNOFF FROM THE DEVELOPMENTAL PUBLIC LAND, TAKING VALUABLE LAND AWAY FROM SIGNATURE PARKLAND.

THE PROPOSED 70 FOOT LANDING MUST BE MOVED AWAY FROM THE SENSITIVE AREA BELOW THE BATS AND SHORTENED TO 30 FEET, WHICH IS THE LENGTH REQUIRED BY AN ORDINANCE GOVERNING BUILDING ON LADY BIRD LAKE, AND THE TRAIL MUST BE ADJUSTED ACCORDING TO RECOMMENDATIONS SET BY THE RECENTLY COMPLETED SAFETY AND MOBILITY STUDY PARKLAND DEDICATION MUST INCREASE BY 20% PER UNIT AS DEVELOPERS PROPOSE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT AND DENSITY.

IN ADDITION TO THE NINE ACRES DESIGNATED IN THE VISION PLAN, THE PEDIMENT MUST PROVIDE FOR APPROPRIATE PARKLAND AMENITIES, SUCH AS PLAYSCAPES AND THE POD MUST COMPLY WITH THE UPDATED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE CODIFIED RULES AND REGULATIONS OF SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT.

SO I KNOW THAT'S PRETTY HARSH, BUT I THINK, I THINK SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN ONGOING.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT GETTING RESOLVED OR THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RESOLVED IN THESE OTHER TIMES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEM.

AND SO IF WE ARE TO BE ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS MOTION, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DENY THIS POD.

IT IS NOT FINALIZED.

IT'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME.

SO ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION RIGHT NOW OR ARE YOU JUST, IF I WAS GOING TO LEAVE THAT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, IF THERE ARE ANY THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OR SOMETHING, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT AS A MOTION.

IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A TIF IS, IT IS A, UM, MONETARY INVESTMENT BY THE CITY SO THAT THERE IS LEVERAGE SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE DEVELOPERS MAKING THINGS THERE'S SOME GIVE AND TAKE WITH THE CITY.

AND THAT IT IS A WELL-WRITTEN RECOMMENDATION.

IT'S IT'S LONG.

AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE IF EVERYBODY COULD LOOK AT IT, IT'S ONLINE.

SAMMY SENT IT, OH, CAN WE PULL IT UP? IT WAS SENT, IT WAS SENT THIS EVENING TO YOU.

DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO MAKE EDITS TO IT? OR DO YOU WANT TO, IF THERE ARE, I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE, APPROVE TO ADOPTED IN THE LANGUAGE THERE I'VE WRITTEN IT ON MY PAPER.

AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU GUYS THINK THAT ARE TOO THERE, THERE MAY BE CHANGES BECAUSE OF SOMETHING WE SAID TONIGHT, I'M WILLING TO LISTEN.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

ONE OF THE, WHERE YOU, WHEREAS THE PET AMENDMENT IS BEING REQUESTED AHEAD OF THE CITY'S IMPLEMENTATION TO SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT BULLS AND REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CODIFIED.

DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF A TIMELINE AROUND THAT? SORRY, WE DON'T, LIKE HE SAID, WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE CASE THAT IS BEFORE THE JUDGE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MOVING INTO PLAY THAT THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS A CORPORATION SET UP BY THE CITY IT'S BEING STAFFED AND ITS WHOLE INTENT WAS TO HELP GUIDE THIS PROPERTY.

SO THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE FOLLOWING THE VISION PLAN.

AND ALONG WITH THAT, IF SOME LIKE SCOTT HAD MENTIONED THE TIF,

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THAT'S BASIC.

I MEAN, THAT'S A REALLY, THAT'S A REALLY SHORTHANDED VERSION OF WHAT A TIP IS, BUT THAT'S, IT, IT WOULD BE CITI PUTTING MONEY INTO THE POT FOR THAT AREA TO HELP WITH SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WELL, IT'S THE, THE OWNERS IN THE TIF, RIGHT? SO THAT TAXING THIS, THAT TAXING DISTRICT.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CITY.

WELL, IT IT'S A FINANCING MECHANISM THAT CAPTURES THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE OF THE VALUE CREATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND PART OF THAT IS CAPTURED AND THEN POURED BACK INTO THE DISTRICT.

IT'S PART OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN TO BE USED FOR SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A LOT IN THAT RESOLUTION AND IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S SOME IN THAT RESOLUTION, IT'S EITHER INCORRECT OR NOT FACTUAL, BUT OUR WHOLE POINT, HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT THAT IS.

WELL, IT IT'S, IT'S LONG.

WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.

BUT WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S ACCESS, THERE IS THERE'S NO LEGAL ACCESS OTHER THAN THE EASTERN WEST ON THIS THING.

BUT ANYWAY, THE OTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THIS PROPERTY.

I, IF YOU LOOK UP ON T CAT WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY, YOU'LL FIND MY NAME AS TRUSTEE FOR THE COX FAMILY, THE COX FAMILY OWNS THE STAIR OWN THE STATESMAN.

IT'S NOT FOR SALE AND THEY WANT TO DO AUSTIN.

RIGHT? AND THAT'S OUR WHOLE GOAL HERE.

OUR WHOLE REASON FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND WORKING WITH EVERYBODY IS AFTER TWO YEARS, IT'S TIME TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE THESE HARD CONVERSATIONS.

NEITHER SIDE IS GOING TO GET IT ALL.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE HERE.

I MEAN, WE WANT YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

IF, IF YOU TOLD ME TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE, VOTE THIS THING AND VOTED NOT SUPERIOR.

I MEAN, I VIEW THAT AS A DISAPPOINTMENT, RIGHT? I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK FOR US, I KNOW YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, BUT YOU'RE FOR THE PARK SUPERIORITY, WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS.

WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY SOLID.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

THIS IS WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

WE'RE JUST GETTING, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO SAY, YES, THIS WOULD QUALIFY AS SUPERIOR.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ASSURANCES DOCUMENTED THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO THE REASON WHY I THINK SHE PROBABLY DRAFTED THIS RECOMMENDATION, THE WAY SHE DID IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE IMPORTANT POINTS THAT WOULD MAKE IT SUPERIOR ARE SENT TO SEND TO THE NEXT ENTITY THAT SEES THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE.

IF WE HAD, IF YOU'D WORKED ALL THIS OUT BEFORE YOU CAME TO THE BOARD, I THINK WE'D BE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE RIGHT NOW.

NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING.

LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

DO WE GET ANY CREDIT FOR SUPERIORITY, FOR THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED THAT TODAY YOU HAVE NO PARKLAND.

WE, WE, AS A CITY HAVE NO PARKLAND AND THAT AFTER THIS YOU'LL HAVE THE NINE ACRES IS GREAT, BUT THAT WAS BEFORE WE WERE REQUIRED TO PUT THE WHOLE ROAD ON OUR LAND, THE CITY PAID FOR THE ROAD, THEY DIDN'T SAY, OH, IT'S OUR LAND.

IT'S THE DATE.

I THINK THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS IN YOUR WHOLE THING.

IT'S THE, THE ROAD MOVED OVER ONTO OUR LAND, WHICH MEANS THAT IT, SOMETHING HAD TO GIVE SO AN ACRE OF PARKLAND GAY.

BUT WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAN AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE WITHIN AN ACRE OF WHAT OF WHAT'S THERE.

BUT I, BUT I WILL TELL YOU DON'T FEEL RUSHED TONIGHT.

IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED MORE TIME, TAKE MORE TIME.

WE DON'T GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNTIL THE 26 MR. SUTTLE.

AND I CAN APPRECIATE ALL THAT.

UM, AND I DO LIKE THE CURRENT AS-IS CONDITION VERSUS WHAT'S BEING WORKED ON, I THINK IS EXCITING.

I CAN'T VOTE ON IT TONIGHT, BUT I'M HOPING THAT IN THE OVEN THAT YOU KNOW, THIS TURKEY IN THE OVEN WILL CONTINUE TO BAKE AND COME BACK TO US.

AND SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE ON ANYTHING CAUSE, AND, AND, AND BOARD MEMBER, UH, COTTON SEIBEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DRAFTING SOMETHING.

YOU READ A LOT.

I'M NOT, UNFORTUNATELY NOT ABLE TO PULL IT UP ON HERE.

AND SO I REALLY KIND OF NEED ABSORBED.

WE CAN JUST FOR THE SAME REASON, JUST BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH IMPORTANT PROPERTY, IT NEEDS TO SPEND THE TIME WITH IT.

AND I CAN PRE, I MEAN, I COULD TELL YOU AT 10 0 5, I'M JUST NOT GOING TO REALLY DO IT, THE CARE THAT IT NEEDS TO.

SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN IT NEXT TIME.

UM, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE FEEL FREE TO DO THE MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE PERSONALLY JUST TO, TO NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW AND LET STAFF WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UH, AND, UH, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR CONSULTANT

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THAT FINALLY MAKE THE TURKEY.

I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT IT'S NOT A MOTION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I JUST THINK WE'RE GOING TO FEEL THE SAME WAY.

I, I'M NOT READY TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MISS OUR CHANCE TO HAVE ANY INPUT AS A BOARD.

I MEAN, HOW'S THAT POSSIBLE BECAUSE WAS OUR NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER 26TH, AND THIS IS ALREADY GOING TO BE GONE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALL ITS READY TO CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? PLANNING, MAVEN VOTES AND ACCELERATED US ON TOP OF HEARINGS.

I MEAN I THINK A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR THIS IMPORTANT PROPERTY WOULD MAKE THIS MAY BE, YES, MA'AM, THIS MAY BE HELPFUL THAT, UM, AND IT'S KIND OF A PROCEDURAL THING, BUT UM, THE BOARD MAY REQUEST TO COUNCIL THAT TO, TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD.

NOW I'M SPEAKING WITH JERRY RUSS TOBIN ON THIS, THEY'RE INVOKING THIS, THIS, UM, CODE PROVISION.

THERE MAY BE LEGAL, MAY NEED TO WEIGH ON WEIGH IN ON THIS, ON WHETHER THIS, THIS COULD HAPPEN.

BUT IT CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE THE BOARD COULD REQUEST TO HAVE THIS COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO MAKE THIS REQUEST TO COUNCIL UNDERSTANDING, UM, HEARING WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE SAYING ABOUT THAT, THAT THINGS STILL NEED TO BE WORKED OUT.

THINGS BLANK STILL NEED TO BE FILLED IN.

SO THAT IN EFFECT COUNCIL COULD DO WITH THAT, UH, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY WOULD, BUT AT LEAST THE REQUEST WOULD BE THERE, BUT THAT WOULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE WOULD HAVE INPUT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD GUARANTEE IT, BUT IT WOULD AT LEAST COUNSEL WOULD THEN KNOW THAT THAT, THAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR IT AGAIN THAT YOU, YOU WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE, THE IDEA THAT THERE WERE STILL THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO, TO REGISTER YOUR THOUGHTS ON AND WORK OUT DETAILS OF.

CAN I HAVE A QUESTION OF, UM, BOARD MEMBER, HIM SEIBEL YOU'VE BEEN ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT ADVISORY GROUP.

AND WAS THERE, IS THAT THE, THE GROUP YOU'VE BEEN REPRESENTING PARP ON, THAT'S BEEN LOOKING AT THE STATEMENT PUD, WAS THERE ANY OTHER KIND OF WORKING GROUP OR YES, THERE WAS ALSO AN ADDITIONAL WORKING GROUP THAT'S CALLED THE WORKING PROJECTS, ACTIVE, ACTIVE WORKING PROJECT, ACTIVE, ACTIVE PROJECT WORKING GROUP.

SORRY THAT I PARTICIPATED ON WHERE WE WERE TALKING INDIVIDUALLY WITH STAFF MEMBERS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE JUST TO GATHER INFORMATION.

AND WE SPOKE ALSO WITH SIX MEMBERS, I THINK IT WAS OF, UM, OF THE, OF THE APPLICANT'S TEAM.

UM, AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THOSE GROUPS? APRIL, ACTUALLY SINCE MARCH.

SO ROUGHLY SIX MONTHS.

SO, I MEAN, I ASKED HER BECAUSE I THINK THE RESOLUTION SHE WROTE AS LONG, IT'S A LOT TO DIGEST, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK SHE'S BEEN, BEEN IMMERSED IN THIS MATERIAL AND IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT AND HAS REALLY DONE HER BEST.

SHE'S SHE HAS BEEN RAISING AN ALARM.

THIS IS COMING, THIS IS COMING.

UM, AND I THINK SHE'S REALLY JUST DONE HER BEST TO CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING SHE'S LEARNED AND PUT IT INTO THIS MOTION.

UM, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PIECES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE SHE COULD HAVE DONE IT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SWAB FOR LONG BEFORE THESE MEETINGS ON BEFORE MARCH AND APRIL, WE'VE BEEN HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THEM, TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET THE REGULATING PLAN IN PLACE, TRY TO GET THE TIFF IN PLACE.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HISTORY PRIOR TO MS. COTTON DISABLES WORK AS WELL.

BUT SHE'S OUR CURRENT BOARD MEMBER.

THAT'S BEEN ABLE TO LOOK INTO THIS MORE THAN THE REST OF US.

I JUST WANT TO DISPEL THE RUMOR THAT WE'RE RUSHING THIS CAUSE.

AND YOU CAN VOTE TONIGHT TO TAKE, IF YOU VOTE TO DENY TONIGHT, YOU TAKE YOURSELF OUT OF THE GAME, MY OPINION, BECAUSE YOU VOTE TO DENY IF I DON'T VOTE ON SOMETHING, WE TAKE OURSELVES OUT OF THE GAME, SIR.

UM, BUT YOU'VE, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE US MORE TIME TO GET WITH SCOTT AND GET WITH YOU.

AND THEN I SAY, I I'M OKAY.

EITHER WAY.

I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED IF, IF HE CAME UP AND SAID TONIGHT THAT YOU DON'T, THAT YOU RECOMMEND AGAINST THIS, BUT IT'S OKAY.

I MEAN, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE OUR OPINION TO COUNCIL AND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THIS IS OUR WAY OF COMMUNICATING.

THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT JUST READING THROUGH THIS, UM, FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK THAT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR AT THIS TIME.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BOARD MEMBER CAUGHT HIM.

CYBIL I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING TOGETHER THIS RESOLUTION AND IT ARTICULATES A LOT OF THE DETAILS THAT, UM, UH, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE BROUGHT UP IN THE LIST OF CONDITIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN THE PRESENTATION BY STAFF.

THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT, I'M JUST,

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UM, BUT I THINK THAT THIS COULD CERTAINLY BE THIS CONTENT HERE COULD BE A BASIS FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE.

AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT FUTURE CONSIDERATION.

THE CASE I'M WORKING, I'M MORE COMFORTABLE THAN GOING WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND DOING THE, AGAIN, QUALIFYING EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH THERE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S WHAT CAN I ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION? CAUSE YOU JUST MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT IF WE VOTE DENIED, WE TAKE OURSELVES OUT OF THE GAME.

UM, THE DRAFT RESOLUTION ACTUALLY HAS ISSUES THAT IT SAYS AND, UM, THE ISSUES LISTED BELOW INDICATES SOME WAYS THE PUT AMENDMENT COULD BE RESOLVED AND THEN IT HAS A LONG LIST OF THINGS.

SO IT DOES GIVE GUIDANCE, BUT MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE WERE ABOUT TO DENY, WOULD THAT TERMINATE STAFF'S NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT? I MEAN, HOW WOULD, DOES IT MEAN NO MORE PARKS IS OUT OF IT? IT'S NOT SUPERIOR.

THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSIONS.

AND I WANTED DIRECTOR MCNEELY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WELL, I ASKED JERRY RESTHAVEN TO HELP ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WELL, I'LL ANSWER IT FURTHER FROM THE APPLICANT STANDPOINT, THE APPS, THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

THIS TRACT IS TOO IMPORTANT TO OUR PARK SYSTEM TO NOT CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THE STAFF WILL BE DISCUSSING, UM, ALL SORTS OF POSSIBILITIES WITH THE APPLICANT UP TO THE MOMENT OF THE CONSOLE OUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY COMMON BEYOND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR US TO KEEP WORKING ON THINGS, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, THE PARKS BOARD.

SO YES, WE WILL BE WORKING IN THIS, A VOTE TO DENY WITH CONDITIONS OR A VOTE TO RECOMMEND WITH CONDITIONS EITHER WAY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE.

I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PARTS FOR HER TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE STAFF IN GENERAL.

THAT'S NOT IN COMMON AND YES WE WILL.

SO, SO THANK YOU, JERRY.

AND YES, ON BEHALF OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, WE WOULD, YOU HEARD SCOTT'S, UM, PERSONAL COMMITMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT'S COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS, UM, THE BEST, THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME.

RIGHT? SO THE, BUT I GUESS THE ISSUE FOR, FOR ME IS THERE'S NO GUARANTEES AT THIS POINT BECAUSE NOTHING SAID, IT'S JUST LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

SO HOW IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO, TO JUDGE THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT.

SO YOU ARE, WE'LL HAVE TO, SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.

YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND, UM, TO HANG ON A SECOND, RIGHT? YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE, YOU GUYS CAN MAKE MOTIONS, HOWEVER YOU FEEL APPROPRIATE.

BUT, UM, ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, WELL, KIMBERLY'S DOING THAT.

I REALLY THINK WE'RE DOWN TO THE DETAILS.

SO I KNOW WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU CAME HERE FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT IT ALL IRONED OUT.

I MEAN, YOU DIDN'T GET THAT IRONED OUT FIRST BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR, FOR US.

WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS PLACE CAUSE WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE GETTING.

THE TIMING OF DEDICATION.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME THROW BOTH ME AND SCOTT UNDER THE BUS AND SAY, UM, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A LITTLE SOONER, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS TODAY AND MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS EVEN THOUGH THAT'S GREAT.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MADE PROGRESS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAW ON A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND TODAY, AND THAT'S MY OPINION IS WE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THAT PROGRESS TODAY, EXCEPT WE HAD A DEADLINE OF TONIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ASKED, WE'VE ASKED TO GO AHEAD AND START THE PROCESS.

CAUSE WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA HAVE SOME, SOME DEADLINES.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH SCOTT, RANDY, KIMBERLY, AND THIS IS GOING TO GET WORKED OUT AND THERE, THE ANCHORAGE IS THERE THE DETAILS? LET ME JUST TELL YOU ONE, ONE EXAMPLE, THE PROGRAMMING, THIS PROGRAM IS GETTING SUCH BIG ATTENTION, BUT THE PROGRAMMING IS IMPORTANT TO US.

NOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO COMMANDEER THE PARKLAND.

THE PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT IF A FUTURE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT IT'S OKAY FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE TO CAMP IN PARKS.

AND WE'VE PROVIDED ALL OF THIS ACCESS THROUGH THE PROJECT NOW TO GET TO A CAMPGROUND.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO SAY, WHOA, WHEN WE DID THIS PARKS DEAL, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE A CAMPGROUND OR WE DON'T WANT TO WAKE UP ONE DAY WHEN WE'VE GOT RESIDENTS AND HOTELIERS AND OFFICES THERE.

AND WE WAKE UP ONE DAY AND A FUTURE PARKS DIRECTOR SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE PREMIER STAGE OF ACL IN YOUR BACKYARD FOR TWO WEEKS AND NOT A THING YOU CAN SAY ABOUT IT, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE ACCESS THAT YOU PROVIDED TO THE PARK.

WE JUST WANT TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT PROGRAMMING.

THAT'S ALL.

THAT MEANS

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WE CANNOT DEDICATE THE PARKLAND AND HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE PLAYING WHILE WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUILDING A 4,000 CAR PARKING GARAGE.

IT'S JUST NOT SAFE.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE, ONCE WE DEDICATED THE EXERCISE, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO AVOID, IT'S JUST LITTLE DETAILS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S ALL IT IS.

WELL, I MEAN, WHAT'D, YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE? ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OUT? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY AND I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD PUT THIS FORTH.

I READ IT ALREADY.

I HATE TO BOTHER YOU GUYS AGAIN, BUT, BUT I THINK WE DON'T HAVE A BIG CHICKEN.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS WE DON'T HAVE A BIG CHICKEN.

IT'S NOT SAYING WE WON'T WORK WITH YOU.

IT'S NOT SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT LATER.

WE ARE GIVING ALL KINDS OF RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.

WE CAN STRIKE SOME LANGUAGE OR ADD SOME LANGUAGE, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A STATEMENT.

I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, HAVING SPOKEN TO SOMEBODY IN MY COUNCIL PERSON'S OFFICE, THEY NEED TO HEAR FROM US BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS COMING AND THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE WAY UP FROM ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION THEN PROGRESS.

AND SO I THINK, UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, OTHERWISE I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

I THINK THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY, I KNOW, BUT BOARD MEMBER, THE PALMA AND BLUE MEMBER RINALDI WERE NOT AT THE MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

AND SO THEY DIDN'T GET TO HEAR THE INITIAL PRESENTATION.

AND SO THEY'RE STILL IN A COMPANY IT'S NOT EVEN THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S THE FACT THAT WE WOULD'VE GOT AN, A UPDATE AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME.

AND NOW WE'RE STILL GETTING THE OTHER, ANOTHER UPDATE VERSUS IT BEING FINALIZED.

BUT FOR ME, WHAT I'M WANTING IS I DON'T LIKE, I, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW VOTING FOR THE, WHAT THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED.

UM, I THINK I DON'T, I'M REALLY AGAINST ABOUT, I'D RATHER PUSH OFF TO ANOTHER MEETING OR HAVE IT, UH, SEND THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE MOTION IS THAT THEY'RE TO COME BACK AND WE'RE REQUESTING COUNCIL PER SCOTT'S RECOMMENDATION OR LANGUAGE.

SO THAT'S ME PERSONALLY, BUT I RESPECT EVERYBODY ELSE'S THIS IS KINDA HOW I FEEL LIKE OUR CHOICES ARE.

WE CAN EITHER HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING AND ADDRESS THIS AGAIN, AND MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE MADE PROGRESS AND GOTTEN THINGS SOLIDIFIED.

WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR, UH, LAURA'S RECOMMENDATION OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO ONE PERSONALLY, I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR A PROMISES.

I I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

I CAN NOT GOING TO SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE SUPERIOR WHEN I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT IT IS BECAUSE NOTHING'S DOCUMENTED.

SO IT MAKES FOR ME IT'S, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN VOTE FOR A SUPERIOR PROJECT.

I HAVE NO IDEA IF IT'S REALLY GOING TO REACH THAT STATUS OR NOT.

I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME IN WRITING AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HEARD EARLIER.

WE HEARD THAT, THAT WE NEVER HEARD THAT IT WAS DOCUMENTED THE COMMITMENTS GIVEN VERSUS WHAT'S STILL BEING WORKED ON.

I CARE ABOUT WHAT'S STILL BEING WELL, I CAN'T EVEN JUST IN TERMS OF EMOTION, YOU'RE SAYING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE LIST WE WENT THROUGH WAS CHANGED VERBALLY TONIGHT FROM ASTERISK TO CHECKS TO MAYBE NOT A CHECK, MAYBE NOT AGREE TO IT THIS TIME.

SO LIKE, I AM NOT EVEN, I DIDN'T WRITE ALL THAT DOWN.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT OF THESE HAVE BEEN SORT OF A REVIEW SO THAT I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS EITHER IS THE PROBLEM.

NO, NO.

AND I GET IT AND FOR ME, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT COME BACK WELL.

THAT'S GOOD.

I MEAN, I CAN'T REALLY, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH EITHER.

SO IF I'M HAVING TO DO THE FLIP OF THE COIN, I'M GOING TO GO WITH, WITH STAFF BECAUSE AT LEAST THEY HAVE THEIR EYEBALLS ON IT, BUT I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT.

SO THEY'VE COME A LONG WAY FROM JUST EVEN THE PRESENTATION WE HAD TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE'S STILL OBVIOUSLY SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WHY DON'T WE JUST VOTE ON HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THERE'S THERE IS PLANNING.

THEY'RE NOT PLEASED.

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO PLAY? YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY ON OCTOBER 28, 26, 26.

SAMMY, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF US GETTING A SPECIAL MEETING WE'D HAVE TO, OR PUTTING THIS MEETING EARLIER AND HAVING THE, HAVING THE DECISION MADE.

CAUSE THAT SHOULD BE THE SAME DAY AS THAT PARK'S BOARD MEETING.

RIGHT? BECAUSE PLANNING.

SO IF WE'VE MET EARLIER FIRST AGENDA ITEM.

YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.

WE CAN WALK OVER TO CITY, WALK OVER THERE,

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SAMMY.

WHAT WHAT'S THE REALITY OF, OF PULLING TOGETHER? WELL, WE WILL CERTAINLY TRY WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU ALL WANT.

I JUST KNOW OUR HISTORY OF TRYING TO GET SPECIAL MEETINGS OUTSIDE OF THE, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SIX VOTES ON ANYTHING TONIGHT.

SO I, UM, NO SIR.

WELL, I TRY WHATEVER.

UM, YOU ALL DECIDE, WE'LL TRY AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING COULD BE IN THIS ROOM TELEVISED.

SO THAT'S THE PART I HAVE TO CHECK WITH.

EVEN IF IT'S THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM AT SIX O'CLOCK THROUGH STARTING THE SAME TIME THEY PUSH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

I'M GOING TO MAKE MY MOTION.

I I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION.

DO I NEED TO READ THE WHOLE THING AGAIN? BECAUSE I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS OUT THERE AND LET'S VOTE ON IT.

AND WE CAN VOTE ON IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX VOTES.

WE NEED SIX VOTES TO MAKE FORWARD.

WE'LL SEE.

LET'S SEE.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY TO YOU, WE DON'T KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE SPECIAL MEETING.

THIS IS NOT SAYING WE WILL NEVER WORK WITH THEM.

THIS IS SAYING, THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW THAT WE SEE, WE DO NOT HAVE A COOKED CHICKEN.

I THINK IF WE DON'T MAKE A STATEMENT TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO LOSE THE CHANCE TO MAKE A STATEMENT.

AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE LAST SPRING AND TWICE IT GOT KICKED OFF THE AGENDA AND THEN OUR MEETING GOT SCUTTLED.

THIS IS IMPORTANT.

AND I'M TELLING YOU, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.

AND I, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BOARD MEMBER, THE CARLA DIDN'T WANT TO ADD ANYTHING BECAUSE I KNOW SHE'S KIND OF OVER THERE ON THE TELEVISION SCREEN AND WE'RE IGNORING HER.

SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

MY POWER WENT OUT.

OH, FOR A LITTLE WHILE AS, AS, UM, I MIGHT'VE MISSED SOME THINGS.

UM, YEAH.

UM, YEAH, UH, BASICALLY, UM, I I'M IN FAVOR OF A BOARD MEMBER, COTTON SEIBEL MAKING THE MOTION.

I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE RISK AND, AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.

OKAY, SO PLEASE GO AHEAD.

DO I NEED TO READ THE WHOLE NO, NO, NO, PLEASE.

I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH THE MOTION THAT I READ EARLIER THAT WE DENY THE PUD AND GIVE THE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

A SECOND, THE MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR.

WE HAVE 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, BUT AGAINST TWO AGAINST AND ONE ABSTENTION.

SO THAT'S NOT AS, SO IT'S NOT AN EFFECTIVE ACTION, CORRECT? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE SIX VOTES.

SO, SO WE CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION.

WE WERE GIVEN AN OPTION OF ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO SEND THIS BACK TO US.

SO WHAT I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS MOVE THAT THIS BE RESET AT A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING PRIOR TO THE PLANNING SCHEDULE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND IF THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, WE INVOKE THE PROVISION REQUESTING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL RETURNED THIS ITEM TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.

SO I DON'T KNOW MORE SPECIFICS.

COULD WE ADD ONTO THAT A STATEMENT OF WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE? I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT, SORRY.

I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT, UM, THE REQUEST TO COME BACK TO PARKS BOARD WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE THAT AND YOUR, YOUR REQUEST.

SO JUST TO SAY THAT, THAT THE, THE REQUEST TO COME BACK TO PARKS BOARD COULD INCLUDE OTHER ITEMS AS WELL.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE NEED TO SEPARATE, I'M SORRY.

I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

SHE SAID, SORRY.

MY, MY THOUGHT IS THAT.

AND I MEAN, I'M GOING TO CHECK IN WITH MY OTHER STAFF MEMBERS HERE, BUT THE, JUST THE THOUGHT IS THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD PASS A MOTION THAT, THAT, THAT MOVED A BOARD MEMBER, COTTON SEIBEL'S MOTION, AND A REQUEST TO COME BACK TO, TO PARKS BOARD TO, TO SEE THAT THOSE ITEMS HAD BEEN FULFILLED.

SO MOVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

I'VE I WAS FEELING THAT, THAT, THAT IT WAS MY SUGGESTION WAS BEING TREATED AS SOMETHING THAT WAS A STANDALONE THAT, THAT NEED THAT, THAT COULD ONLY BE INVOKED BY ITSELF.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.

THE BOARD IS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE TONIGHT, INCLUDING HER LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

THAT'S THE SENSE I GOT FROM THE BOAT.

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WE JUST TOOK.

IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT SENSE IN THE ROOM, PLEASE SHARE.

SO BOARD MEMBERS, I HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER JUST COME SIMPLY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

YOU CAN WRECK, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE STATESMEN PART AMENDMENT AT 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS IS NOT SUPERIOR.

AS FAR AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, OR AS FAR AS THE PARKS BOARD IS CONCERNED IS NOT SUPERIOR.

AND YOU FURTHER RECOMMEND THAT STAFF CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO NEGOTIATE THE ITEMS LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION.

SO MOVED.

SO WHAT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS THOUGH.

NOT, I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT SUPERIOR, BUT SO SHE'S, I THINK, AND THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OUR INPUT.

WE'RE ASKING THEM TO GO, WE'RE ASKING THEM TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH STAFF.

WE'RE SAY NO, BUT WE WORK WITH STAFF AND THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

CONTINUE TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAYS.

I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND DENIED.

IT'S NOT APPROVED.

SO DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING OR THIS IS IT.

THIS IS THE, THIS, I THINK THE POINT IS THAT WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO GET THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT LIST OF ALL THE THINGS WE WANT TO HAVE DONE AND THEY WOULD, SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT.

AND WE COULD ALSO GET A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD THE INTENT BOARD NUMBER OF FILES THAT YOU ARE SIGNALING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TO THE COUNCIL THAT THIS BOARD DOES NOT FIND THE PUD SUPERIOR.

AND YOU ARE FURTHER RECOMMENDING THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT BOARD MEMBER COTTON SEIBEL HAS PUT TOGETHER IN HER RESOLUTION.

AND THAT, SO YOU'VE HAD TO SAY, YOU'VE SAID, WE DON'T THINK THIS IS SUPERIOR.

WE THINK YOU NEED TO DO MORE WORK.

NOW THAT DOESN'T BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD, BUT IT GIVES A AFFIRMATIVE, AN AFFIRMATIVE, UM, RESPONSE AS TO HOW THIS BOARD IS FEELING ABOUT THE, THE, OKAY.

I WOULD TAKE HER ITEMS AND EVERYTHING IN THE STUFF LIST ALSO.

AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME, AND THERE'S SOME OVERLAP.

AND SOME OF THEM OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S, SO THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE THIS STUFF.

SO WE PROBABLY DO.

WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ALL TOGETHER NOW, OR CAN WE, IF WE JUST SAY BOARD MEMBER OR COTTON AND POOL, I CAN'T EVEN TALK WHATEVER TIME IT IS.

WORD CUT.

AND SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO.

YOU WANT ME TO GIVE ME YOUR WORDING? THANK YOU.

SO THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE STATESMAN PUD, THE 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS STATESMAN POD IS NOT SUPERIOR WITH FURTHER RECOGNITION.

WE WOULD, WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, SORRY TO NEGOTIATE THE ITEMS LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION AND ON THE STAFF'S LIST OF CONCERNS.

THAT WORKS.

THEY'LL HAVE A SECOND.

AWESOME.

HERE WE GO.

AGAIN, ALL IN FAVOR AND ALL OF THE POSTS AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT FORMULA TO CARLA, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO I'LL PUT IN NINA, I'M SORRY.

I CAN GIVE STEIN.

SO ONE ABSTENTION, ONE OPPOSED.

AND THAT, THAT GIVES US SIX.

I CAN'T EVEN COUNT.

WE'VE GOT ALL THESE THAT APPEARED TO BE SIX.

UM, IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, ONE INDIVIDUAL ABSTAINING, ONE INDIVIDUAL VOTING AGAINST, UM, BOARD MEMBER HUG MEN, NOT HERE.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT WAS BECAUSE I WANT THE CONDITIONS.

I WANT THE CON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT CONTINUE, AND I WANTED IT TO COME BACK TO US TO HEAR WHAT THE RESULT WAS AND HOPEFULLY SAY, YES, YOU KNOW, REWARD THE EFFORT WITH PARKLAND SUPERIORITY.

THAT WAS THE GOAL.

AND SO, UM, BUT NOW WILL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THAT'S A WORTHY GOAL, BUT I DON'T THINK WE, THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE SPECIAL MEETING.

THERE WAS, THERE WAS JUST TOO MANY WHAT IFS.

SO, AND I DO REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.

I APPRECIATE IT BOTH FROM THE DEVELOPER.

I APPRECIATE THE STAFF, YOU, YOU KNOW, AND I, UM, I WISH WE COULD HAVE COME TO A BETTER OUTCOME.

I FEEL LIKE IF YOU, IF WE, YOU JUST KIND OF BEEN ABLE TO, AS A VICE-CHAIR DIPLOMAS HAD KIND OF GET THIS FULLY BAKED, WE, WE MAY HAVE COME OUT WITH A DIFFERENT RESULT, BUT THAT IS KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED, GIVEN THAT WE JUST DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH INSURANCE IS TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SUPERIOR.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE TIME.

WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE AT 10 30 AT NIGHT AND, AND, UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND, AND LAND IN A GOOD PLACE.

WE, UM, YEAH, YOU WOULD ADJOURN THE MEETING BOARD MEMBERS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN YOUR PACKET IS THE, IS THE, UM, DIRECTOR'S REPORT FOR YOUR REVIEW.

AND GIVEN THAT IT'S 10 30, DOES THAT MEAN WE,

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