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AND I'D LIKE TO CALL

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THE ORDER,

[ Independent Citizen's Redistricting Commission]

THE INDEPENDENT CITIZENS REDISTRICTING COMMISSION MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH.

MATT, CAN YOU PLEASE DO ROLL CALL? UH, SOME MEMBERS WANT TO CALL YOUR NAME, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY HERE TO NON MORRIS.

PARDON? SCHNEIDER.

AND THEN IF WE COULD TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE AND THEN TURN IT OFF.

DEMPSEY GONZALEZ HERE, LANDS HERE.

CAMBO CALLED THEIR OWN ONE.

TEZ BLANK HERE ABOUT CONE.

OH, LET ME CORRECT THAT WE HAVE 11 COMMISSIONERS PRESENT ONE VIRTUAL 10 IN PERSON, RIGHT? OKAY.

CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE US THROUGH TODAY'S AGENDA MAP? OKAY.

THE MEETING GOAL, DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC FORUM FEEDBACK, RECEIVE UPDATES FROM WORKING GROUPS AND COMMITTEES, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY SIGNED OUT ON EMAIL OR THE MEETING? NO.

OKAY.

I DON'T WANT APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

ITEM TWO POSSIBLE EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH LEGAL COUNCIL ITEM THREE NEW BUSINESS.

THE ICRC MAY DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS. A DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC FORUM, FEEDBACK B UPDATES FROM WORKING GROUPS SUBCOMMITTEES, THE ONE SOCIAL MEDIA PRESS RELEASE WORKING GROUP B2 ADVERTISING WEBSITE, WORKING GROUP B3 PUBLIC FORUM WORKING GROUP BEFORE FINANCE COMMITTEE, THE FIVE FINAL REPORTS OF COMMITTEE AND THEN C HOUSEKEEPING.

AND THEN LAST ITEM DON'T FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. THANK YOU, MATT.

SO CITIZENS, UM, I'M SORRY, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION IS THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA, BUT YOU SAID WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS APPROVAL OF MINUTES ON, UH, THE SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2021 MEETING.

PLEASE REVIEW THE MINUTES.

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? OKAY.

IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.

SO THE COMMISSION WILL NOW GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.07.

ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION HEARING NONE? THE COMMISSION WILL NOW GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

MATT, PLEASE PAUSE THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.

THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THREE, A DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC FORUM FEEDBACK.

DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMUNICATION ON THIS ITEM? I'M ASSUMING NOT.

NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE ELSE JOIN IN THIS TIME.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO, UM, ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY OPEN FORMAT THIS EVENING.

UM, I WILL JUST REITERATE WHAT I SAID IN THE EMAIL TO YOU ALL THIS AFTERNOON, WHICH IS THAT, UH, WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE 14 DAY WINDOW OF ACCEPTING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRELIMINARY MAPS.

SO WE ARE NOT AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THE MAP, BUT WE WILL NEXT WEEK AND HOPEFULLY ADOPT OR APPROVE THE FINAL PLAN NEXT WEEK ON OCTOBER 6TH.

UH, BUT FOR TONIGHT WE CAN DISCUSS EVERYTHING WE HAVE HEARD OUT OF THE LAST FOUR PUBLIC FORUMS, UM, AND, UH, EMAILS THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN SEEING COME IN FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

SO, UM, MR. KORBEL, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN? I THINK THAT THE PLAN IS FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, RAISE THEIR HAND, JUMP IN AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.

UH, WHAT IF WE MOVED, YOU KNOW, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMMENT ON IT, UM, PRECINCT TWO 50 BACK INTO DISTRICT NINE, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THAT MR. CORBELL COULD SHOW US ON THE SCREEN AND TALK US THROUGH, UM, THE IMPACT OF A CHANGE LIKE THAT.

AND THEN WE CAN JUST TALK THROUGH IT LIKE THAT.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD WITH EVERYONE? OKAY, GREAT.

SO THE FLOOR IS OPEN,

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UH, COMMISSIONER FALCON.

YEAH.

I'D LIKE TO JUST POSE A GENERAL QUESTION.

SO I HAVE LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IS ABOUT KEEPING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS TOGETHER.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE KIND OF 2 52 14, WHICH ALSO COMES INTO THAT.

AND AS I WAS REVIEWING OUR, UM, OUR MANDATE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT TALKS ABOUT COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST AND THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY COVER A, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO ABSOLUTELY A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COULD BE CONSIDERED A COMMUNITY OF INTERESTS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY LIKE MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THAT JUST BASED ON OTHER REDISTRICTING RESEARCH I'VE DONE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT LIKE ONE COUNCIL PERSON IS NOT VOTING AGAINST PART OF ITS POPULATION BECAUSE THEY'RE SO DIFFERENT.

UM, SO I JUST WOULD LOVE TO GET OTHER PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ON THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THAT.

SO, AND I'M A LITTLE DIVIDED ON THE ISSUE OF LIKE HOW MUCH DO WE PRIORITIZE KEEPING TOGETHER, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, YOU KNOW, VIS-A-VIS OUR OTHER MANDATES OR OTHER THINGS, OBVIOUSLY IT HAS A PLACE IN THE PRIORITIZATION, BUT JUST WOULD LOVE TO HEAR PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS GENERALLY BEFORE WE GET INTO SPECIFICS.

UM, JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION COMMISSIONER FALCONE IS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WHETHER WE CONSIDER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UM, COMMUNITIES.

YES.

THAT'S PART OF IT.

AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIKE HOW, WHERE, LIKE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A PRIORITY FROM OUR CHARTER AND WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NUMBER FOUR, JUST LIKE HOW MUCH TIME OR CREDENCE, LIKE HOW MUCH PRIVATIZATION ARE WE GOING TO GIVE TO THAT IF WE DO DECIDE? YEAH, I GUESS IT'S JUST GOOD TO START WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE WHERE I'M CONFLICTED IS LIKE HOW MUCH, UM, EFFORT OR LIKE HOW MUCH PRIORITIZATION DO WE GIVE TO THOSE, GIVEN OUR OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BALANCE, RIGHT.

YEAH.

I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS A LOT FROM A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE TOO, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY AND USUALLY FROM PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, IF NOT HOA IS, IS SORT OF THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE KEEPING A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST TOGETHER ON THE ONE HAND OR WHETHER THAT COMMUNITY OF INTEREST IS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, REQUIRED TO BE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, UNANIMOUS SORT OF LIKE REPRESENTATION IN SOME WAY.

AND THAT'S KIND OF IMPOSSIBLE.

I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF THE FIRST THING IS ALL THESE COMMUNITIES ARE SMALL AND ULTIMATELY NO SINGLE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO GET THEIR OWN REPRESENTATIVE, BUT IT DOESN'T.

I MEAN, FOR THE MOST PART, IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, WORKS THAT WAY IN SOME CASES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DICTATES A LOT OF THE MAP.

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

MOST OF THE CASES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, THESE ARE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO'VE SHOWN UP TO TESTIFY HAVE REPRESENTED SOME FORM OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WHETHER THAT BE, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC HOA, A SPECIFIC ANNEXED AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ULTIMATELY THAT'S LIKE MOST OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING IS TERMS OF LIKE WHAT WE THINK OF AS COMMUNITY HAS INTERESTS.

AND SO I'M PRETTY LOW TO NOT TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY ENOUGH, BECAUSE, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE WHOLE HOA VERSUS NEIGHBORHOOD THING.

BUT EVEN THAT TO ME IS LIKE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEMATIC DISTINCTION THAT I UNDERSTAND.

WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T PRIORITIES TIES, HOS PEOPLE HAVE COME AND TALKED, YOU KNOW, LIKE AT THESE MEETINGS ABOUT, UH, KIMBER, WHAT THEIR COMPS OR SOMEBODY DOES, LIKE THE FLOMS THE OLD NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE THE, THE SETUP THAT THE CITY DID, WHERE THEY DESIGNATED SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THAT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL AND IT STILL IS VERY CONTROVERSIAL IN CITY PLANNING.

AND SO TO ME, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THERE'S NOT REALLY AN ANSWER THIS IN TERMS OF LIKE, WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

LIKE HOW MUCH WEIGHT SHOULD WE GIVE TO AN HOA VERSUS LIKE A RECOGNIZED NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS A BROADER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT AMALGAMATES THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT WE HIT ANY JUSTIFICATION TO IGNORE IT, GIVEN THAT LIKE, THIS HAS BEEN THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND MOST OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE HEARD UP UNTIL THIS POINT.

SO THAT'S KINDA MY, MY VIEW OF IT.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THE SORT OF THING LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NOT GOING TO GO AND MAKE A MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY WHITE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP, YOU KNOW, AN HOA TOGETHER.

BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE FINISHING TOUCHES HERE, I DO THINK IT'S A RELEVANT CONSIDERATION SINCE THIS, IS THERE.

THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO US AS A, AS A COMMISSION, SORRY.

I HAD TO FIND THE UNMUTE BUTTON.

UM, YEAH, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO GO IN ORDER, WHICH NUMBER TWO IS THE VOTING OPPORTUNITY DISTRICTS AND NUMBER FOUR IS THE COMMUNITY OF INTEREST.

SO WE CAN'T VIOLATE THAT.

BUT I THINK THAT EVEN THE FACT THAT MOST OF

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OUR TESTIMONY HAS COME FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS HAS ANY THINKING TOO, BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING LIKE, SO JUST FOR BACKGROUND, I HAD TO MISS A SESSION, BUT I WAS THE ONE WHO REQUESTED TO HAVE, UM, SOMEONE COME TALK TO US ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND THEM MORE.

AND I'M NOT SURE I REVIEWED THE VIDEO OF THAT MEETING AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE GOT THE INFORMATION THAT I WAS HOPING WE WOULD GET.

BUT MY THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF JUST TO USE A COMPLETELY FOR LEGAL PURPOSES, THIS IS A COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY SAY ON TIK TOK, A COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION.

BUT LIKE IF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BECOMES SO LARGE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARE NOT GETTING THEIR REPRESENTATION BECAUSE, UM, THEIR VIEWS ARE COUNTER TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING LIKE, OBVIOUSLY I THINK IF WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT, WE CAN, BUT I'M ALSO JUST WONDERING IF WE, IF WE TAKE SOME OF THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AND OUR VIEWPOINTS IN REPRESENTING, YOU KNOW, THINK, KNOWING THE DISTRICTS SO WELL TO THINK ABOUT LIKE, WELL, IS THIS REALLY WHAT'S BEST FOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN A PARTICULAR DISTRICT OR NOT? I THINK WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS, UM, COMMISSIONER FALCON IS THAT, UM, AND, AND KIND OF JUST TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT COMMISSIONER BLANK SAID TOO.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST KIND OF, UH, UM, COMING TO AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE SHOULDN'T TAKE IT WHOLESALE BECAUSE IT IS JUST ONE PERSPECTIVE.

AND THEN WE, AS THE COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S SOME ON US AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THESE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, UH, TO, TO KIND OF USE OUR OWN BEST JUDGMENT TO, UH, HELP GUIDE US, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW WE SHOULD TAKE THIS PUBLIC TESTIMONY INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION IT'S JUST BE TRYING TO PROCESS WHAT BOTH OF YOU GUYS ARE SAYING.

THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, UM, AT LEAST THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKEN ARE CLEAR ON WHAT A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST OR WHERE THAT STANDS, UM, IN, IN OUR ORDER OF PRIORITIES.

UM, AND WHAT CREDENCE WE GIVE TO, UM, TO THOSE COMMENTS IS ANYONE IN, IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT HAS HAPPENED HERE ABOUT COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST, BECAUSE YOUR BLANK, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? OH, OKAY.

UM, GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

SO JUST, YOU KNOW, ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, RIGHT? MOST OF THE COMMENTARY WAS ON THE PARTS OF DISTRICT NINE THAT WERE MOVING TO DISTRICT 10.

UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH UNIT UNANIMOUS AND IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

SO I DON'T REALLY SEE, I MEAN, TO MY MIND, I SAY I WOULD BE PRETTY OPEN TO MOVING THOSE DISTRICTS BACK INTO A DISTRICT NINE, OBVIOUSLY THAT CREATES A POPULATION PROBLEM TO SOME DEGREE WITH DISTRICT 10.

SO THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE ADD POPULATION PRACTICE FOR 10? I SUGGESTED DURING THE LAST MEETING, HAP HAS SOMEWHAT HAPHAZARDLY, NOT ENTIRELY HAPHAZARDLY THERE'S REASONS.

IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT SOMEWHAT HAPHAZARDLY MAKING, UH, THE COLORADO RIVER, THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN DISTRICT 10 AND DISTRICT EIGHT.

I HAD SOME REASONS FOR THAT, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO MOVING SOME OF THOSE PRECINCTS BACK INTO DISTRICT 10, EQUALIZE THE POPULATION SO WE CAN DEAL WITH THE DISTRICT NINE ISSUE.

AND THEN I THINK AT THAT POINT, THAT'S PROBABLY, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, NOT SURE THAT THERE'S ANOTHER SOLUTION.

LUIS HAS ONE, SO SORRY.

VICE-CHAIR GONZALEZ HAS ONE, SO THAT'S JUST ONE, POSSIBLY I'M OPEN TO IT.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR OTHER POSSIBILITIES, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AROUND, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT OTHER FIXES THERE ARE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

GIVEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE NINE IS BORDERED BY 4 1, 3 AND TWO, AND THAT FIVE IS BASICALLY ALREADY PRETTY HIGH IN POPULATION.

SO I'LL PUT THAT ON THE TABLE.

THANKS FOR YOUR GONZALEZ.

GO AHEAD.

YEAH.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MOTION OF VTD TWO 50, THAT CAUSED A LOT OF OUR FEEDBACK.

IT WAS GREAT.

IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY GOOD TO SEE.

UM, THERE, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN AT OUR FORUMS WHO CAME INTO ONE OF OUR FORUM WITH ONE PERSPECTIVE AND THEN CAME BACK TO ANOTHER FORUM WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

AND IT REALLY DID HELP ME SEE THE ISSUE AT HAND HERE.

SO I REALLY DID APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I'VE BEEN MESSING AROUND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT TWO 50 SPECIFICALLY AND SEEING SOME COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST, SPECIFICALLY BRECKER WOODS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN RE WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAIL ABOUT, AND THE OLD INFIELD NEIGHBORHOOD OR ASSOCIATION THAT THIS GENTLEMAN AT THESE TWO FORUMS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED WANTING TO BE KEPT TOGETHER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF TARRYTOWN BECAUSE THEY SHARE SOME MORE INTERESTS.

I WAS LOOKING AT SPLITTING VTD TWO 50 AT ENFIELD, UH, NORTH OF ENFIELD ENCOMPASSES

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THE OLD ENFIELD NEIGHBORHOOD AND BRECHER WOODS IN VTD TWO 14, UM, PUSHING THOSE INTO D 10 SOUTH OF ENFIELD.

WE'VE HEARD THAT IT REALLY SHARES SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS AND QUALITIES WITH DOWNTOWN THAT WOULD REMAIN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND DISTRICT NINE.

UM, SO AGAIN, THE BREAKER WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD VTD TWO 14 WOULD SHIFT TO D UH, FROM D NINE AND OUR PRELIMINARY MAP TO D 10.

AND THIS WOOD IS A POPULATION OF 3,611 RESIDENTS, AND THEN SPLITTING VTD TWO 50 AT ENFIELD, NORTH OF ENFIELD, WHICH AGAIN ENCOMPASSES THE OLD ENFIELD NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S ABOUT 1,100 RESIDENTS, AND THAT WOULD BE PAIRED WITH BRECKER WOODS, UM, IN D TAN, THEN SOUTH OF ENFIELD WOULD SHIFT BACK INTO DENINE AND THAT'S 6,300 RESIDENTS, UM, THAT BALANCES SOMEWHAT THE POPULATION BETWEEN THE NINE AND THE 10, AND THEN COMMISSIONER BLANK HAD MY SECOND IDEA IN TERMS OF BALANCING POPULATION BETWEEN AND D EIGHT.

UM, ALTHOUGH THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC I WOULD HAVE BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THERE.

UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF EXPLORE THAT WITH THE COMMISSION HERE AS WELL.

UM, BUT I THINK WITH MY, YOU KNOW, HOW I'M LOOKING AT VTD TWO 50 NOW, AND IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO RESEARCH IT AND LOOK AT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AT ENFIELD NORTH AND SOUTH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ACCOMMODATION FOR SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING AND KEEPING NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER YET.

I'M HEARING, UM, THAT THE MAJORITY OF BTD TWO 50 FEELS LIKE THEY BOTH, THEY RIGHTFULLY BELONG IN D NINE.

JUST WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR FURTHER RESEARCH.

OKAY.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE DISCUSSING CURRENTLY, UM, WHAT TO DO WITH VTD.

JUST A IDEA THAT I HAD OPEN DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING AT, UM, FINALLY GOT DISTRICT R BY THE WAY, DISTRICT R.ORG IS A GOOD MAPPING TOOL FOR THIS COMMISSION.

AND NOW IT'S BEEN POPULATED WITH THE UPDATED 20, 20 CENSUS DATA.

IT'S A REALLY GOOD TOOL TO USE.

SO JUST READING THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD, IT'S A SUGGESTION THAT I SEE FOR THAT REMINDER ABOUT DISTRICT ARE, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ON ONE TOPIC FOR NOW.

WE'RE DISCUSSING VTD.

TWO-FIFTY OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER.

YES.

UH, MY SHARE, COULD YOU GIVE US THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN ON THAT NORTH SOUTH SPLIT? I GOT THE 6,300 FOR DISTRICT NINE SOUTH.

WHAT WAS THE NUMBER FOR, YEAH, THANK YOU.

AND SORRY FOR BEARING THE LEAD THERE.

UM, NORTH OF NORTH OF ENFIELD BTB TWO 50, THAT IS COMPRISED OF EXACTLY 1093 RESIDENTS.

AND FROM THE THAT WE RECEIVED AT THE FORUM, I BELIEVE THAT ENCOMPASSES THE OLD ENFIELD ASSOCIATION.

AND THEN IF YOU'D GO ONE BTD NORTH OF THAT, THAT'D BE VTD TWO 14.

IT IS CURRENTLY IN DISTRICT NINE ON OUR PRELIMINARY MAP.

BUT IF WE SHIFT THAT TO D 10, THAT IS ALSO A POPULATION OF 3,611 RESIDENTS.

AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING, UM, IN THE EMAIL TESTIMONY THAT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS DO FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD REMAIN TOGETHER, UM, OLD INFIELD WRECKER WOODS, AND THEN THEIR NEIGHBOR IN TARRYTOWN ACROSS MOPAC.

SO IT KIND OF, IT KIND OF MEETS THESE FOLKS IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR EMAIL REQUESTS AND IT BALANCES THE POPULATION A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN NINE AND 10.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME, MR. CORBELL.

OH, I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO ASK MR. KORBEL WHAT HIS THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT REALLY QUICK.

I'M GOING TO HAVE COMMISSIONER FALCO ON, UM, RESPOND JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION.

SO BY SHARP GONZALEZ, YOU DON'T, YOU WOULD STILL LEAVE PART OF DISTRICT TWO 50 IN DISTRICT 10, BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE ALSO HEARD TESTIMONY, WHICH WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION WHEN WE DECIDED MOVING IT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF PART OF TWO 50 FROM LAMAR AND MOPAC IS VERY DOWNTOWN'S.

SO ARE YOU PROPOSING TO MOVE ALL OF TWO 50 BACK INTO NINE? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, OF COURSE.

IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT VTD TWO 50 SPLIT IT, UH, USE ENFIELD AS A NEW DIVIDING LINE, THERE IS A, THERE IS A SMALL PORTION OF VTV 50 THAT WOULD GO INTO THAT WOULD STAY IN DISTRICT 10, BUT A MAJORITY OF IT SOUTH OF ENFIELD WOULD REMAIN IN DISTRICT NINE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

I JUST, I DIDN'T HAVE THE MAP UP THE FIRST TIME, SO NO PROBLEM, MR. CORBELL, UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHOW US WHAT GONZALEZ IS PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD LOOK LIKE AND YOU'LL HAVE TO LET ME SHARE THE SCREEN THOUGH.

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IT SAYS HOST IS DISABLED PARTICIPANTS SCREENINGS.

SURE.

GIVE US JUST A MOMENT, MATT.

WE'LL FIX THAT CAN MAKE THEM CO-HOST MAP.

MR. CORBELL.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN NOW AND NOW I THINK HE'S ON MUTE THAT.

CAN YOU SEE IT NOW? OH, YES, WE CAN.

OKAY, HERE YOU GO.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THIS AREA IN HERE? THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE MOVED.

WE MOVED INTO 10, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPLIT THAT, Y UM, UH, YOU COULD SPLIT IT ALONG THIS HIGHWAY LINE.

IF WE MOVE ANY POPULATION OUT OF 10 INTO, UM, INTO NINE, UM, NINE IS GOING TO BECOME OVERPOPULATED.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE POPULATION CIRCULATE BY PATIENT BACK IN 10, UM, EITHER CUT CLOCKWISE OR COUNTER-CLOCKWISE.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW, MR. CORBELL.

UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE MAP IN REAL TIME TO SHOW? SURE.

NO, I CAN, UM, LET ME, LET ME TAKE THE BLOCKS OFF.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO THIS IS THE AREA YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK, AND IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THIS, MOVE THIS AREA INTO NINE, DO THAT.

IF, IF WE DO THAT, UM, NINE, NINE BECOMES OVERPOPULATED.

ARE WE ABLE TO SEE THE UNDER, OVER ON THE POPULATION? YES.

I'M TRYING TO PULL THAT UP JUST A MINUTE.

THANK YOU.

IT'S UNFORTUNATELY IT'S BEING, IT'S BEING COVERED BY THE SCREEN-SHARING.

OH, WE'RE SEEING, UM, YEAH, WE SEE IT.

THE, YEAH, NO, I'VE GOT IT NOW.

UM, SO IF WE DID THIS NINE WOULD BECOME 102,000, WHICH IS, UM, ABOUT A THOUSAND, ABOUT A THOUSAND, MORE THAN A CURRENT HIGH POPULATION, AND 10 WOULD GO DOWN TO 90,000.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE POPULATION PROBABLY FROM NINE, EITHER CLOCKWISE, OR COUNTER-CLOCKWISE EITHER CLOCKWISE OR COUNTER-CLOCKWISE INTO 10 FROM, UM, UH, FROM 9, 7, 4, UM, OR EIGHT.

AND ABOUT ANY OF THE POPULATION THAT YOU'D BE MOVING OUT OF, YOU'D BE MOVING OUT OF NINE, WOULD PROBABLY HAVE

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THE SAME CONCERN THAT, UM, ANY ONE OF THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAVES AND NOT BEING IN OUR SUBURBAN DISTRICT, BUT BEING IN A DISTRICT THAT IS DOWNTOWN MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS POPULATION.

AND, UM, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO COME INTO A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, PROBLEMS. IF, IF THE PROBLEMS COULD BE SOLVED WITH, UM, A VERY SMALL DEVIATION, UM, MAYBE EVEN ABOVE 10%, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH IT.

BUT, UM, ANYTIME YOU'D GET ANYWHERE NEAR THAT 10%, UM, UM, MARGIN, EVEN THOUGH THE COURTS SAY THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LAW IS, ALL THE JUDGES TALK ABOUT 10% AND, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIABLE TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IT.

SO I SUSPECT WE'VE GOT TO GET SOMEBODY, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET SOME POPULATION OUT OF NINE.

AND, UM, UM, MR. CORBELL COMMISSIONER HAS A QUESTION.

YES, REALLY.

IT'S JUST TO CLARIFY THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT VICE-CHAIR GONZALEZ SAID WAS THAT WE PUT TWO, 14 AND 10 WHEN WE MOVED TO 50 BACK IN A NINE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YEAH.

SO WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND UNDO THAT.

YES.

I WANT, I WANT TO HEAR FROM VICE-CHAIR CONSULTANTS ONE MORE TIME, WHAT THE CHANGE WAS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS ACCOUNTING FOR, UM, KEEPING THE POPULATIONS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY WELL.

SO, YEAH.

SO IN ADDITION TO KEEPING SOME OF 50, AGAIN, MR. CALDWELL MAY BE DIFFICULT ON HERE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S NO ROADS ON THE SOFTWARE OR, OR STREET NAMES THAT YOU WERE SEEING ON YOUR SOFTWARE HERE.

UH, I AM RECOMMENDING THAT WE SPLIT TWO 50 AND FIELD, UM, THAT WOULD SOUTH END FIELD.

AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN HEARING AN EMAIL TESTIMONY THAT THEY FEEL CLOSER AND CONNECTED TO DOWNTOWN.

THEY WOULD REMAIN IN DISTRICT NINE AND THEN NORTH OF D UH, OF VTD TWO 50 ON NORTH OF ENFIELD.

UM, THAT IS THE OLD INFIELD ASSOCIATION.

UM, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BETTER CONNECTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF TARRYTOWN.

UM, THAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN DISTRICT 10 PER EMAIL TESTIMONY.

AND THEN MR. CORBELL THE VTD RIGHT ABOVE THIS ONE TO 50 YEARS HERE IS ENVIED BY THE WAY, RIGHT ALONG HERE.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

THAT VISUAL.

SO AS YOU'LL SEE IN THAT LINE, THAT MR. GORBACHEV POINTED OUT FOR VTD TWO 50, I'M TRYING NOT TO JUMP BETWEEN TWO VTS AND MY DISCUSSION HERE, BUT SOUTH OF ENFIELD WOULD REMAIN RED WITHIN DISTRICT NINE.

ARE WE ABLE TO SEE THAT CHANGE, THAT DICE YOUR CONSULTANTS IS TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT'S SPLIT AT ENFIELD AND PUT INTO 10, NINE.

SO SOUTH OF ENFIELD WOULD STAY IN DISTRICT NINE WITHIN BTD TWO 50.

OKAY.

WE CAN DO THAT THINK, OKAY.

THAT WOULD MAKE 10 90 1009.

UM, MR. KORBEL, I BELIEVE THAT VISALIA GONZALEZ IS REFERRING TO SOUTH OF ENFIELD AND EAST OF MOPAC, NOT WEST OF MOPAC.

OKAY.

SO YOU WANT TO PUT UP SOUTH OF OLD AND, AND, UM, UM, LAMAR, IS THAT AS THE LINE OR, OR WHERE, WHERE WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE THE LINE? I WOULD MAKE THE LINE MR. CORBELL AT ENFIELD ROAD.

OKAY.

YEAH, BUT, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT INTO, IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT INTO 10, WE NEED, YOU WOULD PUT IT, WE WOULD PUT IT INTO NINE.

WELL, BUT NOT ACCORDING TO OUR, UM, PRELIMINARY MAP.

SO I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEARLY STATED HERE.

UM, SO THE SOUTH SOUTH OF ENFIELD DO T TWO 50 IS CURRENTLY IN DISTRICT NINE RIGHT NOW, BUT NOT IMPORTANT TO OUR PRELIMINARY MAP.

OKAY.

AND THE SECOND CHANGE, SIR, NORTH OF INFIELD, TWO 50 STILL, THAT WOULD GO THAT LITTLE PIECE, THAT LITTLE JACKERD AREA THAT WOULD GO INTO DISTRICT 10.

THIS AREA HERE.

YES, SIR.

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UH, COMMISSIONING CONSULTANT ASKS YOU A QUESTION, JUST SO, OKAY.

SO I UNDERSTAND JUST A THOUGHT, CAUSE WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FALL LONGER.

SO EAST OF MOPAC, SOUTH OF ENFIELD, THE PART THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE POLARITY MAP AND 10, WE MOVED TO NINE AS THAT SHOWN THERE AND THEN NORTH OF ENFIELD BORDER TO THE EAST, BY LAMAR AND AS FAR NORTH AS WHAT? 35TH.

SO ENCOMPASSING BOTH OF THESE TWO.

YES.

IT WOULD BE 30, 35TH STREET.

SO IT'D BE FROM NORTH OF ENFIELD WITH LAMAR BORDERING ON THE EAST UP TO 38.

MOST OF WHICH RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY A NINE.

WE WOULD SHIFT THAT TO 10.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

SO BASICALLY ALMOST WHAT WE HAVE THERE MINUS THAT SOUTHERN PART CAR ALMOST.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

SO YOU WANT IT TO LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS, EXCEPT MR. KORBEL, THE SOUTHERN PART OF VTD TWO 50 AT ENFIELD WOULD BE IN DISTRICT NINE.

SO IT'D BE COLORED RED, BUT DO NOT GO PAST MOPAC, SIR.

WELL, NOT TO ASK OPEC, IF I MAY, I MAY TRY TO SHOW MY SCREEN ON ZOOM TO SHOW A MAP IF POSSIBLE, MR. CORBELL, UM, IT'S JUST AS ALL RIGHT WITH YOU.

IT SOUNDS LIKE VICE-CHAIR GONZALEZ HAS CREATED A MAP THAT HE CAN SHOW US IF THIS PROPOSED CHANGE AND HE JUST NEEDS TO LOG INTO THE ZOOM CALL AND THEN SHARE HIS SCREEN.

OKAY.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT? OKAY, GREAT.

SO JUST STOP THE SHARE OF YOUR SCREEN AND, UM, AND VICE-CHAIR GONZALEZ WILL SHOW HIS COMMISSIONER FALCON.

YEAH, I GUESS I, I WOULD, I GUESS I'M JUST AT THE RISK OF BEING THE EFFICIENCY PERSON AT ALL MOMENTS.

ARE WE KIND OF JUST TRYING TO PUT OUT POTENTIAL CHANGES? I'M NOT SURE THAT LIKE LOOKING AT A MAP WILL HELP US, LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TODAY.

SO JUST KIND OF LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH RIGHT NOW? WE'RE TRYING TO PUT OUT ALL PROPOSE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THEM OVER THE NEXT WEEK AND RESEARCH THEM.

ARE WE OKAY? SO I DON'T, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT, LIKE WE JUST MAKE NOTE OF YOUR PROPOSAL AND THEN RESEARCH THAT ON OUR TIME.

UM, AND THEN MAYBE ALSO GET THE CIRQUE HORRIBLE TO WEIGH IN.

I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD GET A BETTER FORM, A BETTER OPINION, UM, BY TRYING TO LOOK AT A MAP, THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMISSIONER FALCON.

I THINK THE ONE BENEFIT TO VIEWING THE MAPS WAS THAT WE WOULD SEE THE POPULATION, UM, AND HOW THAT SHIFTS FROM THE PRELIMINARY MAP TO, UH, A PROPOSED CHANGE.

UM, BUT I'M OPEN TO HEARING FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD COMMISSIONER LANDS.

I I'D LIKE TO AGREE WITH, UH, WITH COMMISSION FUCK ON.

I THINK THAT W W WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING A CHANGE.

WHAT WE'RE DOING, I THINK IS JUST CONSIDERING WHAT SOMETHING WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AS YOU'VE DONE.

AND THEN LET MR. CARVILLE GO BACK AND WORK OUT THE DETAILS AND THEN PRESENT IT TO US.

SURE.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION? THE COMMISSIONER AND CAMPBELL? UM, THANK YOU.

UM, JUST BY SHARE THEM JEALOUS.

UM, CAN YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW, IS IT NOT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE.

THAT'S ALL THE WAY YOU HEAR ME BETTER.

OKAY.

UM, CAN YOU JUST AT LEAST LET ME KNOW WHAT SOFTWARE YOU BE USING FOR THIS? LIKE, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST TO, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE EASIER BASED ON LIKE HOW YOU VIEW IT VERSUS WHAT MR. CORBELL HUB HAS AN M IF YOU HAVE THAT IN WRITING, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

UM, MY MEMORY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO, UH, BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK, UM, YOUR IDEAS ARE PRETTY GOOD.

I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN.

THANK YOU.

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YEAH.

HAPPY TO SHARE, UH, SOFTWARE AGAIN, DISTRICT R.ORG IS A GREAT TOOL AND I'LL SEND YOU A LINK AND IT'S FINALLY POPULATED WITH 2020 CENSUS DATA.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR US TO USE AND AN INTERACTIVE MAP I'VE BEEN USING, UH, SPECIFICALLY DRA THAT'S WHAT MR. CORBELL WAS USING EARLY ON BEFORE HE SWITCHED THE STATE DATA.

UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE POPULATION NUMBERS ARE RIGHT.

SO I WILL, I WILL WARN, OR FOR WARREN FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THEIR CITY POPULATION THAT IS WHAT'S IN THESE SYSTEMS. AND THEN THERE IS THE DATA FROM THE STATE THAT MR CORBELL WAS USING.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE CAN RESEARCH AND WE CAN LOOK AT SUGGESTIONS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE RUN THEM ALL BY MR. CORBELL BECAUSE HE MIGHT HAVE MORE UPDATED DATA.

FOR EXAMPLE, I MIMIC THE MAP AND DRA AND THE POPULATION FOR DISTRICT ONE FOR EXAMPLE, WAS LIKE SEVEN FOLKS OFF, BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT ANYBODY.

SO EVEN IN THE SOFTWARE, IT'S SHOWING A SEVEN PERSON LOWER COUNTS.

WE NEED TO RUN THEM ALL BY MR. CORBELS.

SO, OKAY.

SO JUST, IT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GOOD TOOL.

IT'S 1990 8% THERE, BUT I'M NOTICING SOME, THERE'S SOME TINY POPULATION THAT WE SHOULD RUN THROUGH OUR MAPPING SPECIALIST.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE TOOLS WITH YOU.

AND MAYBE AFTER THE MEETING CHAIR, IF IT'S AGREEABLE, WE CAN COMPILE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE AND HAVE THEM IN WRITING.

SO FOLKS CAN DO THEIR RESEARCH OVER THE NEXT COUPLE.

ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.

SO, SO FAR WE'VE DISCUSSED VTD TWO 50 AND TWO 14.

UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE ALSO SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR DISTRICT EIGHT.

UH, MAYBE WE SHOULD REVIEW THOSE IF EVERYONE'S CONTENT TO MOVE ON.

OKAY.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU.

SO COMMISSIONER BLINK KIND OF NOTED TOO.

AND, UM, I WAS ABLE TO, IT CAME IN TODAY, BUT I WAS ABLE TO SEE, UH, AN EMAIL SPECIFICALLY ABOUT OUR SWITCHES OR CHANGES BETWEEN D 10 AND B EIGHT.

AND THESE WERE THE PRECINCTS THAT KIND OF BORDERED, UM, THE RIVER.

AND THEN WE DECIDED IN OUR PRELIMINARY MAP, THOSE PRECINCTS THAT WERE SOUTH OF THE RIVER IN DISTRICT 10 HAVE BEEN SHIFTED TO DISTRICT EIGHT.

THAT WAS FOR OUR POPULATION BALANCE.

I THINK WE STILL NEED SOME OF THOSE PRECINCTS TO REMAIN IN DISTRICT EIGHT AS PROPOSED, BUT I WAS ALSO CONSIDERING MAYBE USING HIGHWAY 360 AS A IDENTIFIABLE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THAT.

IT LOOKS, IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE WEIRD ON THE MAP, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU RESEARCH, UM, I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY, UM, ABOUT BTDS 3 18, 3 38 AND 2 21 REVERTING BACK INTO D 10 FROM DA.

AND I GET I'LL HAVE THIS ALL IN WRITING FOR Y'ALL TO RESEARCH, BUT THAT THOSE WOULD BE THE PRECINCTS, UM, WEST OF 360, BUT ARE STILL SOUTH OF THE RIVER.

WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

WE KEEP, UM, DISTRICTS ARE VTD 3 0 7 AND TWO 12 IN DISTRICT A AND IT GIVES US A PRETTY SOLID, UH, EQUAL POPULATION BETWEEN DISTRICTS 10 DISTRICT EIGHT AND DISTRICT NINE BLANK IS SO IS THAT AFTER THESE OTHER CHANGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I THINK IF I MAY, I THINK THE PRESSING ISSUE WAS THE US, US DECIDING IN OUR LAST MEETING TO KIND OF SHIFT VTD TO 50, BETWEEN NINE AND 10 FOR POPULATION BALANCE.

I THINK THAT'S OUR GREATEST CONCERN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING MOST OF THE FEEDBACK FROM.

SO THAT WAS MY STARTING POINT FOR ALSO A SUGGESTED CHANGE BETWEEN BA AND D 10.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, CONSIDERATIONS BASED ON PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE HAVE ALL HEARD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS OR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC INPUT THAT YOU ALSO WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE? I SHARE GONZALEZ.

I WILL ALSO NOTE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK INSIDE OUR FORUMS ABOUT THE LBJ LIBRARY.

WE'VE GOTTEN SPECIFIC, UM, STREET NAMES OF WHAT, UH, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO INTO .

AND THAT IS, AGAIN, THE NORTH PART IS DEAN KEATON.

THE WEST IS ROBERT DEADMAN ROAD, SOUTH IS CLYDE LITTLEFIELD ROAD.

AND THEN THE EAST PART OF COURSE IS 35.

THAT IS ENCOMPASSES THE LBJ LIBRARY AND THE PUBLIC SCHOOL.

THERE'S NO POPULATION IN THERE.

AND BASED ON TESTS TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW SYMBOLIC IT IS TO DIJUAN AND THAT IT WAS IN THE 2013 MAP, I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, UM, PUBLIC TESTIMONY SUGGESTION.

SO THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE I WANTED TO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION HERE.

MR. HARDEN, THANK YOU, UH, REGARDING, UH, THAT, SORRY, UH, REGARDING THAT SPECIFIC REQUEST REGARDING, UH, , UH, IT WAS, UM, WITH REGARDS TO LOOKING FORWARD ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE OLD BRACKENRIDGE, UH,

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AREA THAT WE INCLUDED, AND IT SOUND RATIONALE FOR, UH, SHRINKING THAT COMPONENT TO JUST THE IMMEDIATE CAMPUS OF THE LBJ LIBRARY AND SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS, BECAUSE, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THERE IS GOING TO BE DOWNTOWN, URBAN IN A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC.

AND SO, UM, I FULLY SUPPORT, UH, TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND MOVING INTO THAT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HARDEN, OTHER CHANGES, COMMISSIONER FALCON.

YEAH.

I ALSO WENT THROUGH THE MOTIONS THAT WE MADE AND I HAD TWO THAT I DIDN'T THINK HAD BEEN CAPTURED APPROPRIATELY.

SO THE FIRST ONE WAS, UM, DISTRICT 3 25, WHICH IS THAT FORMAL BRACKENRIDGE AREA.

IT'S UNCLEAR IF THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE NAACP, UM, PROJECTION, BECAUSE IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE MOTION, BUT ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH, WE DID NOT ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY MOVE 3 25.

UM, SO WE, IF WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE IT AND, UM, DISTRICT NINE AND THAT'S ACCORDING TO MY RECORDS, THAT'S WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.

UM, THE OTHER ONE THAT I HAD IS THAT WE DID NOT MOVE VTD 3 25.

WE DID NOT MOTION TO MOVE IT BACK, UM, TO DISTRICT NINE.

SO, UH, THOSE WERE TWO THINGS JUST BASED ON MY REVIEW OF OUR EMOTIONS THAT, UM, WE NEED TO REVISIT.

CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, BOTH OF THOSE WERE REFERRING TO THREE TO FIVE? NO, THE FIRST ONE LET'S SEE, THERE ARE TWO PLACES.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS THREE TO FIVE.

I'M SORRY.

THE SECOND ONE WAS 360 4.

THANK YOU.

APOLOGIES.

I'M SORRY IF I MAY, BASED ON YOUR RESEARCH 360 FOR THAT DISTRICT IS WHERE, UM, I SENT THIS TO YOU IN EMAIL, SO SORRY, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT IN A WHILE, BUT I THINK THAT WE CHANGED IT FROM, UH, MOVED 10 BLOCKS FROM 3, 6, 4 IT'S BETWEEN DISTRICT 10 AND DISTRICT EIGHT.

COOL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY CHECK, UM, COMMISSIONER FARRAKHAN.

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE, UM, SOME OF THIS INFORMATION ABOUT THE MOTIONS.

I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF WE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF HAD A RUNNING DOCUMENT WITH ALL THE MOTIONS SINCE WE'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGES AS WE GO ALONG, LIKE NEXT MEETING.

UM, SO CAN YOU JUST VERIFY WHERE YOU'RE FINDING THIS INFORMATION FOR THE MOTIONS? ARE THERE YOUR OWN NOTES OR SOMETHING THAT WAS SENT OUT TO US? OKAY.

SO YOUR EMOTIONS THAT WERE MADE OR SHOULD BE IN OUR MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 15TH.

OKAY.

OKAY.

YEAH, I WAS GOING THROUGH IT.

UM, SO YEAH, JUST, JUST ON A POINT, LIKE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US ALL TO LIKE REVIEW THOSE BEFORE NEXT TIME, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REVISE THEM AS WE GO ALONG AS SHE WAS SAYING.

SO ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS I WAS MADE AWARE OF A POTENTIAL CHANGE BETWEEN DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE, UM, COMMISSIONER FALCONE.

DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ONE? I'M SORRY, NOT TWO AND THREE.

UM, MY MISTAKE, UH, THREE AND NINE, I BELIEVE.

NO.

OKAY.

AND YEAH, ACTUALLY, MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT.

UM, I REMEMBER FAINTLY ABOUT, UH, THE SOUTH RIVER COALITION TALKING ABOUT MAYBE BETWEEN NINE AND THREE OR MAYBE TWO AND THREE.

I, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S WHAT I DID WAS THAT I TOOK JUST FOR FISHER COMBO WAS LIKE, I TOOK THE CHAIN, ALL THE CHANGES THAT MR. CORBELL BROUGHT TO OUR MEETING ON THE LIKE DRAFT MAP.

AND THEN I REVIEWED ALL THE MOTIONS TO MAKE CHANGES.

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SO THAT DRAFT MAP, AND IF MY RECOLLECTION, IF MY LIKE CALCULUS DIDN'T MATCH WHAT WE GOT IN THE PRELIMINARY MAP, I HIGHLIGHTED THOSE CHANGES.

SO YEAH, YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE MINUTES.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ABOUT, UH, DISTRICTS THREE.

AND IT WAS IF IT WAS AT SOUTH RIVER, UM, IS THAT THEY SENT SOME PROPOSALS AND I SENT THAT TO COMMISSIONER CAMBO AS IT'S HER DISTRICT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

MR. KORBEL DID DO THE ANALYSIS FOR THAT.

SO IF ANYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THAT, OR IF COMMISSIONER CANBERRA, YOU WANT TO BRING A MOTION WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE.

UM, SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? YOU'RE ASKING ME IF I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THE INFORMATION, OUR NEXT MEETING.

SO WE HAD, WE TALKED TO THE SOUTH RIVER COMMUNITY, DISTRICT CITY, CITIZENS SRC, AND THEY SENT A PROPOSAL.

AND SO I, I SENT THAT PROPOSAL TO MR. KORBEL TO ASK, AND I COPIED YOU ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S YOUR DISTRICT TO ASK FOR ANALYSIS.

AND I SENT THAT BACK TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S YOUR DISTRICT TOO.

I MEAN, NOT LIKE WE CAN'T WEIGH IN ON EITHER OTHER PEOPLE'S DISTRICTS, BUT I JUST FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR EXPERTISE WOULD BE VALUABLE THERE.

MADAM CHAIR, CAN I GO AHEAD? UM, YES.

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH IT IN DETAIL.

UM, BUT I WILL, UM, REVISIT THAT.

UM, I CAN'T PROMISE THAT, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION ON IT, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO SPEAK WITH, UM, THE DISTRICT RESIDENTS.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THEN, OR ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS, THEN I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR THEM.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT SHARED THE DISTRICT NINE AND DISTRICT THREE, BUT IF THAT'S INCORRECT, I TAKE BACK ALL MY CODE 20 COMMISSIONER, MR. CORVEL'S NODDING.

SO I THINK IT IS IT'S REALLY DARK.

I CAN'T SEE, I WAS JUST RELYING ON HIM, BUT LET ME PULL UP MY MAP REALLY QUICKLY AND I'LL TELL YOU, UM, APOLOGIES.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THERE WERE THREE PROPOSALS.

UM, AND TWO OF THEM WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO MAKE BECAUSE OF THE PROJECT, BUT WE COULD MAKE THE, UM, THE ONE IN WITH, WITH THE MOVING PART OF A FOUR 20 FROM THREE INTO NINE.

AND IT IMPROVES SLIGHTLY THE, UM, THE, UM, UM, HISPANIC POPULATION IN THREE.

AND IT REDUCES THE, OBVIOUSLY REDUCES THE NUMBER OF VOTERS THAT, UM, THE CANDIDATES WOULD HAVE TO APPEAL TO, OR HAVE TO GO DOOR TO DOOR WITH.

SO, AND MR. CORWELL, WHAT WERE THE OTHER TWO THAT YOU SAID WERE NOT VIABLE? UM, I KNOW I'M, DIDN'T SAY THEY'RE NOT VIABLE.

I THINK IT WAS LIKE THESE REST OF THESE.

IF WE MAKE THOSE, WE MAKE THOSE MOVES, WE GOT TO MAKE A LOT OF OTHER MOVES.

UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU ON THE, ON THE MAP? SURE.

OKAY.

IF WE, LET ME GO BACK TO SCREEN SHARING.

YEAH.

AND ALSO JUST TO ADD THAT, THAT PART PORTION OF FOUR 20, WHICH SEEMED MOST DOABLE WAS THEIR HIGHEST PRIORITY.

SO, UM, SIMILAR TO HOW WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THINGS WITH THE NAACP HISPANIC COALITION LIKE THAT, THEY KIND OF GAVE US SOME PROPOSALS AND THEY SAID THAT ORDER OF PRIORITY WOULD BE MOVING THAT PORTION OF FOUR 20, WHICH SEEMS THE MOST VIABLE BASED ON THE ANALYSIS MR. CORBELL DID RIGHT HERE.

THIS WILL SEE THAT THE OTHER TWO WERE HERE AND HERE, AND BOTH OF THOSE WERE LARGE ENOUGH TO WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT MOVES FROM OUT OF NINE INTO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

BUT, BUT THANK YOU.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS COMING FROM THE SRC DC THAT THEY REQUESTED THIS, UM, SPLIT IN VTD 4 24, 24 20 WAS THE SPLIT, UM, BEFORE, UM, AND IT WAS, UH, BUT NOW IT'S BEEN PLACED IN THREE FOR POPULATION,

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BUT WE DO, WE DO HAVE ENOUGH, UM, PLAN THE JOINTS TO WHERE WE COULD STILL MOVE PART OF FOUR 20 BACK INTO NINE.

AND, UM, UM, STILL MAKE THE, A REASONABLE DEVIATION.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD, I'M SORRY.

CAN'T SEE YOU ANYMORE.

COMMISSIONER FALCON, BUT GO AHEAD.

OH, SORRY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT YEAH, JUST TO GIVE THE BACKGROUND ON THIS IS THAT AT THE MEETING, THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT WE HAD AT THE GUST GARCIA REC CENTER, I SPENT TIME WITH THEM TO EXPLAIN WHY WE COULD NOT ACCOMMODATE THEIR REQUESTS AND OUTLINED THE APPROPRIATE PROVISIONS OF THE CHARTER.

AND SO THEY TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND CAME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION, WHICH, UM, LIKE I SAID, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO EXPLORE.

SO I ASKED MR. KORBEL IF HE COULD RUN THE ANALYSIS.

UM, AND I WAS GOING TO SAY ONE OTHER.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE BACKGROUND THERE.

IT WOULD REQUIRE BECAUSE IT CONCERNS DISTRICT THREE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE TALKED TO THE NAACP HISPANIC CHARTER TO GET THERE.

I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD COURTESY TO DO THAT.

NOT RECOMMEND IT LIKE NOT REQUIRED, BUT A GREAT THING TO DO, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT GIVEN THAT IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH DISTRICT THREE, UM, STATUS AS A VOTING OPPORTUNITY TO DISTRICT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FALCON.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THE CHANGE HAS BEEN OKAYED.

UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, GO AHEAD.

UM, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, UM, COMMISSIONER FARRAKHAN AND MR. CORVEL, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT I AM MAKING A MOTION NEXT TIME.

IS IT OKAY IF I COPY YOU ALONG WITH, UM, CHEER PRINTERS? UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE LANGUAGE IS ALL OKAY BEFORE NEXT TIME.

SURE.

AND I'LL PUT TOGETHER A, UM, UM, YOU AND I CAN TALK AND I'LL PUT TOGETHER A, UM, UM, A SHORT POWERPOINT THAT YOU CAN HAVE FOLLOW OR TO OFFER INTO THE EVIDENCE.

YEAH.

COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.

AND I DON'T WANT TO THIS TO STOP ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION ON MAP CHANGES, BUT COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, UM, KIND OF MADE ME THINK OF HOW WE COULD ORGANIZE KIND OF THE NEXT ROUND OF THESE MOTIONS WITH, UH, GEORGE, OUR MAPPING SPECIALISTS.

THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS, IT'S ABOUT 14 HOURS OF HIS TIME.

I'M THINKING THAT IF WE CREATED A MAPPING SUBCOMMITTEE OF SORTS, A WORKING GROUP, AND THERE WAS A FEW INDIVIDUALS ON THERE AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH MR. UM, MR. CORBELL IN A MEETING CAPTURE ALL OF THESE POTENTIAL EMOTIONS IN WRITING.

SO IT'S JUST HOW WE HAD LAST TIME, KIND OF AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET AS A GUIDE FOR US.

I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE WAS KIND OF TO STREAMLINE A PROCESS AND TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS READY FOR US ON THE SIXTH.

THE IDEA OF CREATING A SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, MIGHT BE USEFUL.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WELCOME FOLKS.

UM, IF THEY WERE, THEY WERE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE SUBCOMMITTEE, OF COURSE, KEEPING IT AT A LOWER NUMBER.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO MEET WITH MR. CORBELL.

AFTER WE'VE TALKED SOME ABOUT OUR POTENTIAL CHANGES OR SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU CAN DO THE ANALYSIS, YOU CAN GIVE US THE POPULATION BALANCE, ET CETERA.

WE CAN PUT THAT INTO A DOCUMENT.

WE CAN HAVE A SPREADSHEET OF MOTIONS AND WE CAN COME PREPARED TO SEND THAT OUT.

SO EVERYONE HAS IT BEFORE OCTOBER 6TH MEETING, ANYONE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD ON A POTENTIAL SUB COMMITTEE.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

CHRIS, YOUR CAMPBELL.

UM, YEAH, I'M VICE-CHAIR GONZALEZ.

SO I'M NOT AGAINST THE IDEA.

I THINK THAT WITHIN ONE WEEK, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD JOIN.

UM, AND ARE WE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE AS IN IT'S OPEN TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE DISH, UM, MISSION, ARE WE KEEPING IT THROUGH A WORKING GROUP? WELL, MY INITIAL, MY INITIAL THOUGHT WOULD, WOULD BE, WOULD BE FOR IT TO BE A SUBCOMMITTEE.

SO IT IS COMMISSIONERS.

THE ICRC AS A WORKING GROUP WOULD ALLOW KIND OF OUTSIDE, UM, INDIVIDUALS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION.

BUT MY, MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS A SUBSIDY BASED ON THE DEFINITIONS THAT I'VE LEARNED ON THIS COMMISSION, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ACTIVITY AND OUR WORKING GROUP COMMISSIONER BLINK.

I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

SO WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A MOTION MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE CREATE A MAPPING WORKING GROUP THAT CAN, UM, CONSISTS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INTERESTED.

I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO BE, UM, ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, REALLY QUICK.

IS THAT A WORKING GROUP OR A SUB COMMITTEE, A SUBCOMMITTEE WORKING GROUP? YES.

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MADAM CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE CREATE A MAPPING SUBCOMMITTEE THAT CONSISTS OF INTERESTED COMMISSIONERS TO WORK WITH MR. KORBEL ON PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY THE RECENT PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

SO WE CAN COME TO THE OCTOBER SIX MEETING PREPARED.

OKAY.

A SECOND.

IT HAS BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED, UH, THAT WE CREATE A MAPPING SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, FOR ALL INTERESTED COMMISSIONERS, UM, TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED MAP CHANGES, UM, FROM PUBLIC TESTIMONY, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DEBATE.

UM, THE QUESTION IS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE MOTION THAT WE CREATE A MAPPING SUBCOMMITTEE, A COMMISSIONER LANDS, WE ARE OPEN FOR QUESTION DISCUSSION.

YES.

UM, IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION AT LARGE IS THE NAPPING COMMITTEE AND I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN THAT, UM, BY MOVING IT TO A SMALLER GROUP THAT IN THE LONG RUN, IT'S GOING TO SERVE OUR COLLECTIVE INTEREST WHEN VIEWED BY THOSE WHO ARE NOT PART OF THE COMMISSION, WHICH WILL BE MANY IN THE PUBLIC.

AND I WAS JUST THINKING THAT, UM, RATHER THAN MAKING IT A FORMAL COMMITTEE, WE MAY HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO WORK ON THIS AND DON'T MAKE IT FORMAL.

YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD, UH, COMMISSION OF BLANK.

SECOND R I HEARD, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, LEWIS AND THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF OTHERS, BUT RATHER THAN MAKING IT SOMETHING THAT IS A HARD COMMITTEE, WHICH IS OPEN FOR CRITICAL REVIEW IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE JUST HAVE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO WORK ON IT, WORK ON.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER LANDS.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? SORRY.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE COULD SEE ME.

I CANNOT, BUT GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

SO I WAS JUST GOING TO MAYBE SEEK CLARIFICATION.

SO LAST TIME WE REVIEWED THE MAP, UM, I DID A PRELIMINARY PASS AT REVIEWING ALL THE NOTES FROM THE ONE-ON-ONES AND PULLING OUT, UM, POTENTIAL MOTIONS THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

AND THEN I KNOW THAT MORE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, I SUBMITTED THAT TO THE CHAIRS AND I THINK YOU ALL ALSO FURTHER CLARIFIED AND ALSO ADDED MOTIONS THAT YOU PERSONALLY HAD.

SO, UM, TO ME, IT'S NOT SO MUCH EXCLUDING ANY FEEDBACK.

IT'S MAYBE TASKING THIS SUB COMMITTEE, I'M MAKING SURE I'M USING THE RIGHT TERMS WITH, UM, COMING TO THAT, COMING TO NEXT, WEEK'S MEETING WITH A LIST OF MOTIONS LIKE WE DID THE LAST TIME WE REVIEWED THE MAP AND I SEE THAT, I THINK THAT THAT WAS A VERY EFFICIENT WAY TO GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE WE HAD THE LIST OF MOTION AND WE COULD CONSIDER THEM, WE COULD REFERENCE OUR OWN NOTES AND THEN DECIDE IF IT WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO WORK ON OR NOT.

SO I THINK IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, WE LOSE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A FORMAL WAY TO GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS FOR AN ORGANIZED WAY.

SURE.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER KAMBO DID YOU STILL WANT TO JUMP IN HERE? UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED 'EM BY SHERIFF GONZALEZ.

CAN YOU CLARIFY, LIKE, I MEAN, I'M JUST LIKE, SORT OF LOOKING THROUGH ROBERT'S RULES AND SO IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE DOING SORT OF A SPECIAL OR AD HOC, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DISSOLVE AT ONE POINT IN TIME.

CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY, LIKE, IS THIS GOING TO BE OPEN TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND FOR HOW LONG OR JUST LIKE THE DETAILS JUST SO WE CAN.

YEAH.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DETAILS OF A SUBCOMMITTEE IS WE CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS, UM, A SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THIS WOULD BE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST MORE BACKGROUND OF MY REASONING FOR THIS AS ECHOING WHAT COMMISSIONER GORDON SAID.

THIS IS FOR TO TASK SUB COMMITTEE, AS OPPOSED TO ONE INDIVIDUAL MAYBE, UM, TO DO SIMILAR WORK THAT WE HAD LAST TIME THAT REALLY HELPED THE PROCESS AND HELP STEER THE SEPTEMBER 15TH MEETING.

SO LIST OF MOTIONS THAT WE'VE SHARED ARE OPENLY DISCUSSED TODAY, WHETHER THAT'D BE THE LBJ LIBRARY OR VTD TWO-FIFTY.

UM, AND WE, WE JUST COMPILE THAT INFORMATION.

WE HAVE IT HANDY, WE HAVE IT IN A EASILY TO READ DOCUMENT, UM, AND SUPPORTED BY JUSTIFICATIONS.

UM, BUT AS OPPOSED TO ONE PERSON DOING IT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOLK ON MAYBE A SUBCOMMITTEE TEST WITH THAT WORK.

SO NO MORE THAN A QUORUM COMMISSIONER HARDENED.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UM, AND HEARING THE ORIGINAL MOTION

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AND THEN HEARING THE COMMENTS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER LANCE, UM, UM, WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AND THAT, UM, THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE THAT, UH, WE MOVED THAT A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS, LESS THAN A QUORUM WORK TO SYNTHESIZE THE, UM, CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT NIGHT TO PREPARE MOTIONS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.

OKAY.

UM, SO, UM, IS THAT SECONDED? DOES THAT NEED TO BE SECONDED? THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER KAMBO HAS SECONDED.

UM, SO THE AMENDMENT TO VICE-CHAIR GONZALEZ'S MOTION IS THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS LESS THAN A QUORUM TO PREPARE THE MOTIONS BASED ON TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION CHAIR.

MAY I GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER FALCON? THAT IS JUST NOT TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, BUT ALSO ANY THAT COME IN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SATURDAY'S TESTIMONY, WE MAY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.

SO, YEAH.

YES.

OKAY.

UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL REPEAT THAT.

UH, SO THE AMENDMENT IS FOR A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS, LESS THAN A QUORUM TO PREPARE MOTIONS BASED ON TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, AS WELL AS, UM, EMAILS THAT WE GET BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT WEEK, AS WELL AS THE SATURDAY'S FORUM.

RIGHT.

JUST ANY, ANY INCOMING, UM, INPUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.

UM, YEAH, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, I THINK I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, LIKE WHEN WE ARE WITH REGARD TO AN AMENDMENT, WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS VOTE, IT'S JUST FOR THE AMENDMENT FIRST, BEFORE WE VOTE FOR THE MOTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER AMENDMENTS, THEN WE CAN DEFINITELY JUST HURRY UP AND GO AHEAD.

UM, WHEN THINGS ARE LANGUAGES OKAY.

MR. BLINK.

AND I ALSO THINK AT THE AMENDMENTS FRIENDLY THE AUTHOR, I THINK WE CAN JUST ACCEPT WITHOUT VOTING ON AND THEN VOTE ON THE AMENDED, UH, ORIGINAL MOTION.

I WAS JUST SAYING, I THINK THE POINT OF THIS ALSO, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

AND I THINK PART OF THE IDEA HERE IS LET US LET THE, WHATEVER WE CALL THIS GROUP.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MILLION WAYS TO SKIN A CAT, OBVIOUSLY, WHICH IS SILLY WAY TO DESCRIBE ANYTHING.

BUT THE POINT IS, IS THE STUFF THAT WE'RE NOT DOING.

TONIGHT'S SITTING THERE WITH MR. KORBEL CLICKING POINTS ON MAPS, OR WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE BEFORE.

I WAS THE THING THAT THIS SUBCOMMITTEE GROUP, WHATEVER IS GOING TO DO.

SO WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE LITIGATING CHANGES THAT WE CAN'T MAKE.

THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS, RIGHT? JUST WANT TO SAY IT CLEARLY.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU CALL IT A COMMITTEE, SUB COMMITTEE, SPECIAL COMMITTEE, IT'S GONNA EXIST UP UNTIL THE POINT THAT WE HAVE THE SPREADSHEET, SO WE CAN COME BACK IN AND WE CAN ALL SIT HERE AND KNOW THAT THESE ARE VALID, WORKABLE CHANGES THAT WE CAN THEN VOTE ON AND MOVE, MOVE FORWARD.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT? OKAY, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST.

SO THE QUESTION IS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE AMENDMENT THAT, UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS, LESS THAN A QUORUM TO PREPARE, UH, MOTIONS BASED ON ALL OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION AND FUTURE PUBLIC INPUT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MEETING.

SO THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT AMENDMENT, RAISE YOUR HAND.

I CAN REPEAT THAT.

SO THE QUESTION IS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE AMENDMENT THAT WE CREATE A GROUP, A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS, LESS THAN A QUORUM TO PREPARE MOTIONS BASED ON ALL OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION AND FUTURE PUBLIC INPUT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MEETING.

SURE.

UH, THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT, RAISE YOUR HAND, THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO.

OKAY.

THE AYES HAVE IT.

AND THAT AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED.

UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO RETURN TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION NOW, WHICH WAS TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED MAP CHANGES, UM, FROM PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

AND THAT WILL WORK WITH MR. KORBEL.

SO THE QUESTION IS, IS ON THAT, UH, THE ADOPTION OF, UM, THE MOTION THAT WE CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, TO WORK WITH MR. KORBEL ON THE PROPOSED MAP CHANGES BASED ON PUBLIC INPUT.

SO, UH, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND.

I'M CONFUSED.

I'M SORRY.

YES.

SO LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN

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MY, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

WE HAVE THAT AMENDMENT, UM, AND THE AMENDMENT WAS JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT WE CREATE A SUB COMMITTEE.

SO I THINK THAT REALLY AT THIS POINT, AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE, UM, TECHNICAL CONCERNS IT'S THAT WE WANT TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK WITH MR. KORBEL, UM, ON THOSE PROPOSED MAP CHANGES.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY.

THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND, THOSE OPPOSED.

SAY NO.

OKAY.

UH, SO WE DO NOT HAVE, UH, THE NINES, THE NO'S HAVE IT, AND THE MOTION IS LOST.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM FOR IT TO PASS.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? OKAY.

YEAH.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE NINE VOTES FOR A MOTION, THE MOTION FAILS, KRISHNA HARDEN.

THANK YOU.

JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THERE.

THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT WAS SO WE WOULD NOT BE PIGEONHOLED INTO HAVING AN OFFICIAL SUB-COMMITTEE RIGHT.

THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BE, UH, TO CARRY OUT THE SAME SCOPE OF WORK WITHOUT IT BEING AN OFFICIAL SUB-COMMITTEE.

SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT.

SO WE'LL STILL BE DOING WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO.

IT JUST WON'T BE A SUBCOMMITTEE.

RIGHT? MADAM CHAIR, ACTUALLY, UM, THE AMENDMENT IS DIES ALSO BECAUSE THE AMENDMENT WAS TO THE MOTION MOTION.

HOWEVER, UM, ACCORDING TO, TO THE ROBERT RULES, UM, UH, WE COULD HAVE MADE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION WOULD HAVE, WHICH WOULD HAVE CLEANED THAT WHOLE THING UP, BUT NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE YOU NEED TO MAKE AN ANOTHER MOTION IN ORDER TO GET THAT JOB DONE.

THANK YOU, MR. LANDS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE ALLOW A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS LESS THAN A QUORUM SYNTHESIZE THE INFORMATION DISCUSSED THIS EVENING AND CONSIDER FUTURE PUBLIC INPUT TO DRAFT PROPOSED, UM, PROPOSED MOTIONS FOR OUR OCTOBER SIX MEETING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HARDEN.

LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THAT.

UM, AND ALSO, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT SECOND BLANK, SECOND, IT IS MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE ALLOW A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS LESS THAN A QUORUM TO SYNTHESIZE THE INFORMATION FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING AND ALL A FUTURE PUBLIC INPUT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MEETING TO DRAFT PROPOSED MOTIONS FOR OUR OCTOBER 6TH MEETING.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DEBATE CHRISTIAN AND CAMPBELL? UM, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED COMMISSIONER.

DIDN'T I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO? I JUST DIDN'T PICK THAT UP.

I'M SORRY.

THE DIFFERENCE IS TO AVOID ANY UNNECESSARY TECHNICALITIES THAT WOULD BE IMPOSED ON HAVING AN OFFICIAL SUB COMMITTEE.

UM, IT WOULD, AND SO IT'S JUST AN EASIER WAY TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS WITHOUT IT BEING AN OFFICIAL COMMITTEE.

THAT'S ALL.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DEBATE MR. SCHNEIDER, TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE? OKAY.

THE QUESTION IS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE MOTION THAT WE ALLOW A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS, LESS THAN A QUORUM TO SYNTHESIZE THE INFORMATION FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING AND I'LL FUTURE INPUT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MEETING TO DRAFT PROPOSED MOTIONS FOR OCTOBER SIX.

THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

THOSE OPPOSED.

SAY NO.

OKAY.

THE AYES HAVE IT.

AND THE MOTION IS ADOPTED.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE MAP BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM

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OF BUSINESS? OKAY.

SO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THREE B UPDATES FROM WORKING GROUPS AND SUBCOMMITTEES.

UH, FIRST COMMISSIONER DEMPSEY WITH THE SOCIAL MEDIA PRESS RELEASE WORKING GROUP.

AND WE ACTUALLY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY UPDATES FROM LAST NAME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

NEXT COMMISSIONER, YOU WITH UPDATES FROM THE ADVERTISING AND WEBSITE WORKING GROUP? UH, NO REAL UPDATES HERE, EITHER JUST UPDATING CREATIVE FOR THE ADS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RUNNING.

THANK YOU.

NEXT VICE CHAIR, GONZALEZ WITH UPDATES FROM THE PUBLIC FORUM WORKING GROUP.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I DO HAVE AN UPDATE.

UM, FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER FOR SUPPORT IN HIS WORK IN, UM, THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC FORUM UPDATES FOR OUR THIRD ROUND.

AS WE APPROVE A FINAL MAP, WE NEED TO GO BACK OUT FOR THREE MORE PUBLIC FORUMS. WE'RE DOING TWO, ONE NORTH OF THE RIVER, UH, LADYBIRD LAKE AND ONE SOUTH.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DO A THIRD VIRTUAL OPTION AS