Oct 27, 2021 Special Ethics Review Commission

SO, UM, I'LL LET, UH, ACTUALLY, LET ME LET, UH, LYNN CARTER FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT KIND OF LAY OUT THE ITEM A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY.

SO GO AHEAD.

SO THE, UM, IF YOU WANT TO CURRENTLY WE ARE STILL UNDER OUR, OUR SCHEDULE THAT WE ADOPTED A YEAR AGO.

SO WE'RE SET FOR THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF NOVEMBER AND THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF DECEMBER, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A HYBRID MEETING, YOU WILL HAVE TO GO WITH THE MEETING CLOSE TO THE HOLIDAYS, BUT, UM, IF WE STICK, NO ACTION IS NEEDED.

IF YOU WANT TO STICK WITH THE REGULAR SCHEDULE AND MEET IN PERSON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER LOCATION TO BE DECIDED, WE HAVE RESERVED A SPOT AND WE HAVE EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK ON LOCATION.

SO WE'LL DO THE BEST TO ACCOMMODATE YOU, BUT, UM, WE'LL BE GETTING BACK TO YOU ON SPECIFIC LOCATION.

AND TO CLARIFY, THOSE WOULD BE FOR FULL IN-PERSON MEETINGS, NOT HYBRID MEETINGS.

EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO ATTEND IN PERSON.

SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US ARE PROPOSED SCHEDULES FOR NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE DOING HYBRID MEETINGS, UM, IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.

IF THERE'S NO MOTION AND THEN WE, YOU WILL BE MEETING IN PERSON ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.

GOT IT.

LET'S SAY COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION OR EMOTIONS, THOUGHTS? I HAVE MINE, BUT I LIKE TO LET EVERYONE TALK FIRST.

WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T TRAVEL ANYWHERE.

BUT IF IT'S THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST PROBABLY NOT GONNA WORK FOR MOST PEOPLE THAT EITHER HAVE PEOPLE OVER ARE GOING SOMEWHERE AND DECEMBER THE 22ND IS ALSO GETTING A LITTLE CLOSE AND PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING OR DOING SOMETHING ELSE, MAYBE GETTING READY FOR THE HOLIDAYS SINCE IT DOESN'T MATTER TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE SCHEDULE FOR NOVEMBER THE 18TH AND DECEMBER THE NIGHT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORKABLE.

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UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK IT'S DECEMBER 8TH, IS THAT RIGHT? THE WEDNESDAY.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THE RUM.

SO IT'S THIS HANDOUT HERE.

UM, WHICH IT'LL BE, I THINK IT'S IN YOUR PACKET RIGHT BEHIND THE AGENDA.

UM, YEAH, THEY DID 22 SCHEDULE.

UH, SEE COMMISSIONER DANBURG GO AHEAD.

20, 21.

THE WEDNESDAY IS THE EIGHTH, EVEN THOUGH THIS SAYS, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

THE CALENDAR.

IT'S DECEMBER 8TH DID IT THE NIGHT.

SO I CAN SPEAK FOR MY DECEMBER 8TH IS WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 9TH IS THURSDAY.

CORRECT.

I WAS THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS DELIBERATELY THAT THURSDAY, BUT ACTUALLY I'M LOOKING AGAIN.

WOULD IT BE WHERE IT, SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WEDNESDAY? SURE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT OUR UNAVAILABILITY OR WHAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I, I CAN'T MAKE EITHER DECEMBER MEETING.

I'LL BE ON TRAVEL.

AND I LIKED ON, ABOUT, I THINK ASKING PEOPLE TO DO THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING IS PROBABLY ASKING A LOT.

ISN'T NOVEMBER 10TH, NOVEMBER 8TH.

AS IT'S GETTING CLOSER TO THE HOLIDAYS, I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE STUFF TO DO.

UH, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, THE NOVEMBER DATE, NOVEMBER 18TH IS ALSO A THURSDAY.

SORRY.

IT'S IT.

I BELIEVE THAT'S A TITLE.

OH, SORRY.

IT SHOULD BE NOVEMBER EIGHT.

NOT 18 NOVEMBER.

NO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

IT'S NOVEMBER 10.

AND THIS DECEMBER, HERE WE GO.

SO ONE MORE TIME FOR THE RECORD.

WE'VE GOT POTENTIALLY DATES THAT ARE NOVEMBER 10TH, WEDNESDAY AND DECEMBER 8TH, WEDNESDAY.

AND THAT IS ALREADY ON YOUR SCHEDULE THAT YOU VOTED ON A YEAR AGO.

SO NO ACTION IS NEEDED.

IF YOU WANT TO STICK WITH THOSE DATES, WE'LL JUST BE SENDING YOU LOCATION INFORMATION.

SO, AND THESE WOULD BE FULLY IN PERSON THE EIGHTH AND THE 10TH AND THE EIGHTH? YES.

SO CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE ON THE NOVEMBER MEETING AT LEAST, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT OR DO WE NEED TO DO THAT? IS THAT THE THAT'S OKAY.

WE, WE CAN, UH, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION NOW ABOUT JUST THE AGENDA ITEM.

GENERALLY, IF WE'RE READY FOR EMOTION, WE CAN DO, I THINK NOVEMBER 10TH IS REASONABLE.

I'M GOING TO BE ON INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL ON THE, I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.

I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DECIDING? I HEARD THIS WAS ALREADY DIS THE DATES WERE ALREADY DECIDED A YEAR AGO OR SOMETHING, AND WE'RE JUST DECIDING ON THE LOCATION.

WHAT? WELL, SO, RIGHT.

SO IF WE DON'T, SO IF WE DO NOTHING, NO MOTION, NO NOTHING.

THEN WE'RE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO MEET ON THE 10TH OF NOVEMBER AND THE 8TH OF DECEMBER.

UM, SO OUR DISCUSSION NOW IS IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE HAVING HYBRID MEETINGS, AND THAT'S ONLY WHAT CAN ONLY BE DONE IF THAT'S IN PERSON THAT CAN'T BE HYBRID.

SO WE WANT TO HAVE A HYBRID MEETING.

WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE DATE.

AND THE, AND THE AVAILABLE DATES FOR THE HYBRID MEETING ARE NOVEMBER 24TH AND DECEMBER 22ND.

SO WE NEED TO KNOW FROM OUR, OUR VIRTUAL PEOPLE ARE REMOTE PEOPLE, RIGHT? SURE.

COMMISSIONER TENDER UK.

I'M GOOD WITH COMING IN CARSON FOR THOSE TOO, JUST TO MAKE IT EASY.

AND, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT CAUSE I, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO MEET CLOSE TO THE HOLIDAYS.

GOT IT.

ANY, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, COMMISSIONERS? UH, BECAUSE WE, WE, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE SCHEDULE, THAT WOULD TAKE A MOTION, BUT THE CURRENT PATH HAS THIS MEETING NOVEMBER 10TH AND DECEMBER.

IS GENDER ITEM, ONE B MORE MEETINGS.

SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR WE CAN MOVE ON? NOPE.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON.

SO NEXT

[1B. Adopting a meeting calendar for 2022.]

LET'S TALK ABOUT 20, 22.

YOU SHOULD HAVE ALSO RECEIVED, UM, A HANDOUT THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS AND ATTACHMENT IN AN EMAIL FOR OUR VIRTUAL ATTENDEES.

UM, SO OUR CHOICES BASICALLY, UM, WE NORMALLY MEET ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AND WE'VE GOT THOSE DATES LISTED HERE.

UM,

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AND THEN THE FOURTH, WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH IS ANOTHER OPTION WE CAN CONSIDER LISTED IN THAT SECOND COLUMN.

SO FLOOR IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR MEETINGS IN 2022.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

UM, I WOULD FAVOR SWITCHING TO THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY SO WE CAN STAY IN STUDY HALL AND HAVE HYBRID MEETINGS, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, 2022.

DO WE HAVE THE OPTION TO JUST SAY THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY IN THE FIRST 10 MONTHS, BUT NOT, AND THEN CHOOSE THE SECOND WEDNESDAY FOR NOVEMBER 9TH AND NOVEMBER 14TH IN 2022 IS THAT I HAD THE EXACT SAME QUESTION.

UM, LIN.

SO WE BASICALLY, WHAT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE DOES IS THE FIRST ONE THAT SAYS, THESE ARE THE DATES WE WANT.

THEN THEY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, THERE ARE SOME SOVEREIGN BOARDS THAT HAVE TO BE ON ATX N AND YOU KNOW, HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN ROOMS. SO, UM, BUT YES, YOU CAN, WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, SECOND, WEDNESDAY, EXCEPT FOR THESE SPECIFIC DATES.

UM, I, I MEAN FOR FOURTH, WEDNESDAY, EXCEPT FOR NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, AND, AND WE WANT THOSE TWO DATES, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT, THAT THE HYBRID OPTION WILL BE OFFERED.

WE SIGNED UP FOR IT FOR JANUARY.

SO WE ARE ALREADY, UH, WE'VE ALREADY RESERVED A SPOT FOR THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY FOR JANUARY, UM, IN AUGUST.

BUT, UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE THE HYBRID MEETING OPTION.

I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TECHNOLOGICAL CAPABILITIES ARE YET.

WELL, THAT'S MY MOTION THAT WE CHOOSE THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY FOR THE FIRST 10 MONTHS AND NOVEMBER 9TH AND DECEMBER 14TH.

THAT IS A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND TO SEE COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK? IS THAT A SECOND? YES.

SO MOTION AND SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION FOURTH, WEDNESDAY FOR MONTHS, ONE THROUGH TEN SECOND, WEDNESDAY FOR MONTHS, 11 AND 12, SEEING NO DISCUSSION.

I'M GOING TO JUST ASK, I KNOW I'VE BEEN DOING A VERY RIGOROUS ROLL CALL, UH, BUT I'M GOING TO JUST ASK ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

RAISE YOUR HAND AND I'LL COUNT.

I SEE COMMISSIONER DANBURG COMMISSIONER, MCCORMICK, GREENBERG, KALE, MYSELF, LERNER, AND STANTON.

SO THAT IS UNANIMOUS COUNTING FOR OUR ACT ABSENCES.

SO THAT IS GREAT.

CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURE IN THE AGGREGATE MEET OR EXCEED $500 SHALL REPORT.

THAT IS ONE BE DONE.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM,

[1C. Timing and process for evaluating and making recommendations to Council on dollar limits established in Chapter 2-2 (Campaign Finance) in accordance with City Code subsection (A)(5) of Section 2-7-30 (Duties).]

ONE C.

SO IT'S, WE'RE DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT MORE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW THE DOLLAR LIMITS UNDER CHAPTER TWO DASH TWO, CAMPAIGN FINANCE.

SO I'LL BRIEFLY, UH, INTRODUCE KIND OF THIS TOPIC.

SO WE DISCUSSED IT BRIEFLY AT OUR LAST MEETING.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN CITY CODE AS ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION TO ANNUALLY.

LOOK AT THE DOLLAR LIMITS UNDER TWO DASH TWO.

UM, SO WE HAD DISCUSSED IN LAST MONTH'S MEETING, SIMPLY GIVING IT KIND OF TO THE ALREADY EXISTING WORKING GROUP.

THAT'S LOOKING AT THE SORT OF BROAD POWER SANCTIONS, ET CETERA OF THE COMMISSION.

UM, WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

WE DEVELOPED A VERY NICE SPREADSHEET THAT, UM, I WAS HOPING TO MAKE LOOK NICE AND HAVE A PDF VERSION READY FOR THIS MEETING.

UM, DID NOT GET TO THAT, BUT, UH, JUST TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WHAT THE THOUGHTS OF THE COMMISSION ARE AND HOW WE WOULD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, THE, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT IT WILL BE, UH, IT WILL BEHOOVE US TO, UH, MOVE IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US TO TAKE ACTION AT OUR NEXT MEETING, THAT EARLIER WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDS IF WE'RE RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES TO CODE OVER THESE DOLLAR LIMITS THAT ARE IN TWO DASH TWO, UM, IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, GIVEN THAT THE 2022 ELECTION SEASON IS UPON US.

UM, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF AN ELECTION RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO FLOOR IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

THE ONE NUMBER I, WE SHOULD CHANGE IS THE $500.

THE TRIGGERS REPORTING REQUIREMENTS LIKE IN TWO DASH TWO DASH 32, THAT A DIRECT

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UM, YOU CAN'T DO MUCH IN THE CAMPAIGN FOR ONLY $500.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD RAISE TO EITHER 1500 OR 2000, JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A, UM, A TRIGGER THAT GETS ACCIDENTALLY MISSED KIND OF OFTEN WE'VE SEEN CASES WHERE THE REPORTING WASN'T EITHER TIMELY OR AT ALL.

UM, SO I I'D LIKE TO RAISE THAT TRIGGER IN HOPES OF SEEING FEWER SORT OF ACCIDENTAL CASES, SECRETARY LEARNER, AND CLARIFICATION.

UM, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WHEREVER IT SAYS 500 TO RAISE THAT? I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF DOLLAR FIGURES HERE, BUT WOULD YOU, I THINK THEY'RE ALL RELATED THE TWO DASH TWO DASH 32 2 DASH TWO, THE S 33.

UM, BUT I THINK MAYBE THE WORKING GROUPS SHOULD STUDY THAT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF, AND MAYBE EVEN TWO DASH TWO DASH 34 OF THOSE, THOSE ARE TRANSFERS.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

UM, SO I WOULD SAY I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT.

AND THE SPREADSHEET THAT I REFERENCED, UH, THAT I WAS HOPING TO HAVE READY FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT IT AS A SPREADSHEET WHERE WE TOOK EVERY DOLLAR SIGN UNDER TWO DASH TWO, UM, HAVE HYPERLINKED CODE CITATIONS AND A DESCRIPTION OF LIKE WHAT IT IS QUOTING THE CODE.

UM, AND IT'S ABOUT, UH, I WANT TO SAY, UM, COMMISSIONER STANTON, YOU'VE SEEN IT TOO.

AND COMMISSIONER TEND TO, HOW MANY, HOW MANY LINES OF SPREADSHEET IS IT WHERE WE, LIKE, HOW MANY DOLLAR LIMITS ARE THERE IN THE CODE? IT'S ABOUT 29 ISH, I THINK, OR MORE, MAYBE THERE WAS A LOT.

UM, AND SOME OF THOSE MAY NOT BE DOLLAR LIMITS APPROPRIATELY.

LIKE SOME OF THEM ARE OFFENSIVE, LIKE PENALTIES, UM, LIKE FINES, IF YOU VIOLATE THE CHAPTER AND THAT'S NOT, MAYBE THAT'S NOT A DOLLAR LIMIT, ALTHOUGH THE, THE CODE IS VAGUE ENOUGH THAT IT COULD, IT COULD BE.

UM, BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU RAISING THAT.

UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSION, UM, BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, UH, IS JUST HAVE EVERYONE KIND OF ON NOTICE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE WORKING GROUP'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT BEFORE OUR NOVEMBER MEETING.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KIND OF WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT AS WELL.

UM, IN THE HOPES THAT ANY ACTION THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD WANT TO TAKE COULD BE TAKEN AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, TELLING RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL THAT THEY CHANGED, THE RULES MADE GAIN, SO TO SPEAK.

SO ANY, ANY, UH, COMMISSIONER DANBURG.

YEAH, IT, UM, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT WHILE WORKING ON SOMETHING LIKE A SPREADSHEET LIKE THAT, IT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO HAVE A ONE PAGER LIKE CHEAT SHEET THAT ANY CANDIDATE WHO REGISTERS ANY PACK WHO CROSSES THE LIMIT AND BECOMES AN ACTIVE REPORTER WHERE YOU HAVE A SHEET THAT SAYS, IF THIS, THEN THAT, IF THIS, THEN THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

UM, ARE YOU VOLUNTEERING TO MAKE THAT MR. GREENBERG ASKED IF YOU WERE GOING TO VOLUNTEER THAT? UM, NO.

I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

NOW, COMPUTER TALENT.

I HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW ADOBE VERY WELL IN MY NEW JOB.

UM, BUT I WILL NOT VOLUNTEER MYSELF IMMEDIATELY.

UH, YOU BASED YOUR CASE.

I'M GOING TO JUMP IN, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE AS WE'VE EVALUATED SOME OF THESE, UM, COMPLAINTS THAT COME BEFORE US, I'M ALWAYS STRUCK BY IF I WERE IN THAT POSITION, THE TYPES OF DIFFICULTY I WOULD HAVE FOLLOWING SOME OF THESE GUIDELINES.

SO I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA TO JUST MAKE IT EXTREMELY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND THAT WAY EVERYBODY'S ACCOUNTABLE.

MUCH LARGER ONES AS WELL, BUT MAYBE IF THEY COULD BE SORT OF ALL THE TWO HUNDREDS COULD CHANGE THE FONT JUST TO MAKE THINGS EASIER.

I WOULD SAY LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, IF THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT ONES, IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THIS ONE'S $50, THIS ONE'S $200, THIS ONE'S $500, AND THEN THERE'S

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BUT I THINK WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO GO OVER ALL THE NUMBERS BY THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT, I, WELL, IDEALLY WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, ROBUST AND WELL-INFORMED OPINIONS ON EACH DOLLAR FIGURE.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PLAUSIBLE, BUT I DO LIKE, KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU DID EARLIER, WHERE YOU POINTED OUT ONE OF THE DOLLAR LIMITS, SPECIFICALLY THE DIRECT CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURE TRIGGER FOR THE REQUIREMENT TO FILE A REPORT.

UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT THE MEETING.

MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE IT WITHIN OUR CAPACITY TO GO THROUGH EVERY DOLLAR FIGURE AND SUGGEST A COMPLETE REVAMP OF TWO DASH TWO, BUT, UM, AT A MINIMUM WE CAN HAVE SOME GOOD DISCUSSION AND IDEAS ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO RECOMMEND AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A MORE, A MORE THOROUGH HOLISTIC MODERNIZATION OF TWO DASH TWO WOULD BE IN ORDER.

BUT FOR NOW IT'S JUST OUR, JUST OUR CODE DESIGNATED DUTY AND FUNCTION TO LOOK AT TWO DASH $2 LIMITS.

I SAW COMMISSIONER DANBURG SAND, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET TO HER GO AHEAD.

WOULD JUST BRIEFLY, I THINK, I THINK THAT IF WE DECIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT FORWARD A CHART, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, IF THIS, THEN THAT, THAT WE WOULD ALSO WANT TO PUT A NEXT COLUMN SAYING, SEE ALL THESE CODES, YOU KNOW, CITATIONS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I KNOW BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES AND SOME OF THESE INDEPENDENT GROUPS ARE DOING A WHOLE LOT OF RECRUITING OF, UH, INTERNS AND STAFF AND THOSE KIDS WOULD JUST EAT UP, BEING ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT.

NO, THAT'S ALL TAKEN IN THE, IN THE SPREADSHEET THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT, I THINK IS GOING TO BE A GREAT START TO THAT ONE PAGER.

UM, BECAUSE THE FIRST COLUMN IS WHAT SECTION OF CODE IS THIS AND IT'S HYPERLINKED.

UM, SO BEFORE THE NEXT SPEEDING, WHAT I'M HOPING TO HAVE AS BACKGROUND MATERIAL FOR EVERYONE IS A PDF VERSION OF THE SPREADSHEET THAT KEEPS THOSE HYPERLINKS.

SO THAT ON YOUR COMPUTER, BEFORE THE MEETING, YOU COULD JUST READ THE LINE, SAYS, OH, THIS IS A CONTRIBUTION LIMIT.

HERE'S THE CODE SECTION, HERE'S THE TEXT HERE'S, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THEY MEET WHATEVER REQUIREMENT THE DOLLAR LIMIT IS IMPOSING.

SO, UM, BUT I THINK A SIMPLER FORMULATION OF IT COULD BE USEFUL AS LIKE A ONE-PAGER CHEAT SHEET, AS OPPOSED TO THE, AS OPPOSED TO THE 30 SOMETHING ROW, UH, DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE GOT GOING RIGHT NOW AS SIMPLE, IF THEN IF THIS, THEN THAT FORMULATION, I THINK IS A REALLY GREAT IDEA.

SO ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TWO DASH $2 LIMIT REVIEW COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER NUMBERS THEY WANT TO CHANGE, THEY SHOULD LET LYNN KNOW.

SO LYNN CAN UP THE COMMISSION THOUGH.

UM, IF OUR MEETING IS NOVEMBER 10TH, BABY, BY NOVEMBER 3RD, I THINK, YEAH, IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY SOON.

CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, IT'S $400 THIS YEAR.

IT IS SOON GIVEN, GIVEN WHERE WE ARE NOW.

UM, BUT I THINK, UH, WHAT, WHAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE IS, UM, IF WE ASK LYNN TO AFTER THIS MEETING, KIND OF PUT A CALL OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT, UM, SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING PRETTY SOON.

WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS, PLEASE BE UP TO SPEED ON IT.

AND MAYBE, MAYBE A FRIENDLY REQUEST THAT THEY DON'T COME TO THE COMMISSION MEETING WITH LIKE A SURPRISE.

UM, I WANT TO CHANGE EVERY DOLLAR LIMIT KIND OF PROPOSAL, BUT MAYBE TO GIVE LYNN A HEADS UP SO THAT SHE CAN KIND OF CIRCULATE ACCORDINGLY.

HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE IDENTIFIED IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T GET A WALKING QUORUM ISH.

UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

SO AS A COURTESY, UH, A HEADS UP, UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE TWO DASH $2 LIMITS? CAN I JUST JUMP IN? SO, UM, I, WHERE NOVEMBER 10TH, WE'LL BE PAST THIS ELECTION AND STARTING A NEW ONE.

SO THERE'S A YEAR OF FUNDRAISING PRIOR TO, UH, THE NEXT ELECTION.

SO THE CHARTER SETS THE LIMITS FOR COUNCIL CANDIDATES.

AND, UM, SO I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.

I'LL SEND YOU THAT WHAT IT IS ON THE

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UM, AND THEN I'LL SEND YOU THE AGGREGATES, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR OUT OF STATE CONTRIBUTIONS.

UM, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE GOOD THAT NOVEMBER IS NOT A HARD DEADLINE.

IT'S JUST THE SOONER, THE BETTER SINCE WE'RE, WE WILL BE IN THE CAMPAIGN PERIOD, IF YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, IF NOT NOVEMBER, THEN DECEMBER.

AND THEN I WOULD THINK AT THE LATEST JANUARY, BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL, UM, AND COUNCIL WOULD, UH, HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO CHANGE CHAPTER TWO DASH TWO.

DOES IT GO FIRST TO THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE OR SOME OTHER COMMITTEE? GOOD QUESTION.

I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT.

UM, WE HAVE NOT MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CODE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON BOARD, BUT I WILL CHECK ON THAT, UH, ONCE THE FILING DEADLINE OR CANCEL THE FILING DEADLINE IS NOT UNTIL AUGUST, BUT THEY CAN STILL FIND RES A YEAR OUT.

UM, SO THAT THIS ACTUALLY THE CITY CODE PROVIDES FOR, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THE CITY CODE OR THE CHARTER PROVIDES FOR A SIX MONTH PERIOD OF FUNDRAISING, BUT THAT WAS CHALLENGED IN A LAWSUIT.

UM, DO YOU REMEMBER FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS ZIMMERMAN AND THE COURT RULED IT A YEAR THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO THE COURT RULED THAT WAS TOO SHORT AND THEN COUNCIL VOTED AND CHANGED IT TO A YEAR.

SO, UM, SO THAT GOT CHANGED BY COURT ORDER AND IT WENT UP TO THE FIFTH CIRCUIT LEVEL.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK IT, UH, LOOKING AT THE CITY CODE, I THINK THAT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WE MAKE ON TWO DASH TWO WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL AS OPPOSED TO THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMISSION SAYS THAT WE AMONG OUR DUTIES, WE SHALL REVIEW THE PROVISIONS OF THE, UH, WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S JURISDICTION, MAKE APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL CONCERNING PROVISIONS AND PERFORM AN ANNUAL REVIEW AND EVALUATION OF THE DOLLAR LIMITS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS TO THOSE LIMITS.

THAT'S, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT, BUT YEAH, THEN PLEASE, CORRECT ME.

WELL, THE COUNCIL SET UP THAT AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE IS A COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL.

AND SO COUNCIL RIGHT AFTER 10, ONE WAS ADOPTED COUNCIL DECIDED THEY WOULD TRY TO STREAMLINE BY HAVING ISSUES GO TO COMMITTEES BEFORE COUNCIL.

BUT, UM, BUT I'LL HA I WILL CHECK ON IT.

ONE D AND THAT'S CONSIDERING WHETHER TO ADD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE AGENDA FOR FUTURE MEETINGS.

ANY OTHER TWO DASH $2 LIMIT DISCUSSION DON'T NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION.

SO IF NOT MOVING RIGHT ALONG, SO NEXT UP WE HAVE

[1D. Content of the agenda for future meetings.]

THIS IS FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

UM, COMMISSIONER STANTON, UH, WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING POSSIBLY DISTRICT NUMBERS, UM, TO NEXT TO THE COMMISSIONER'S NAMES ON THE AGENDA.

SO THAT THE PUBLIC WHO LOOKS AT THE AGENDA CAN IDENTIFY WHO OUR APPOINTING COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE.

UM, UH, AND JUST ADDING INFORMATION TO THE AGENDA ABOUT THE COMMISSION'S JURISDICTION.

JUST A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THE AGENDA.

UM, SO HAPPY TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO DISCUSSION HERE.

UM, I THINK THAT, UH, MAYBE NOT SEEING ANY, ANYONE CHAMPIONED AT THE BIT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, FROM OUR, UH, LIAISON, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN OPEN READINGS RULE, OPEN MEETINGS RULES, OR OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE AGENDA THAT WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF AS WE TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES TO IT.

SO THE, THE, UH, TEXAS OPEN MEETING LAW JUST REQUIRES THAT ANY SUBJECT MATTER THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DISCUSS AT A MEETING, YOU GIVE REASONABLE NOTICE OF, UM, I WOULD CAUTION YOU, UM, THERE'S NO RULE THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT ADD DISTRICT NUMBERS.

I LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF, UM, OTHER COMMISSIONS DID NOT FIND ONE.

I LOOKED AT IT ABOUT 20 THAT HAD DISTRICTS ON IT, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR THE CITY SERVED SERVE.

YOU'RE NOT ELECTED BY A SPECIFIC MEMBERS IN YOUR DISTRICT.

YOU'RE NOMINATED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER IN YOUR DISTRICT, AND YOU WERE APPROVED BY THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

YOU CAN ONLY ACT AS A BODY, SO

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YOU CANNOT TAKE ACTION INDIVIDUALLY.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION PRIVILEGE.

SO IF YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT BEFORE YOU, AND, AND YOU HAVE A PARTY THAT THINKS, OH, THIS IS MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY MIGHT THINK THAT THAT MEANS THEY CAN CONTACT THEIR PERSON.

SO I, I WOULD, THERE'S NO RULE FOR AGAINST, I WOULD JUST CAUTION THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST IDEA.

THAT'S COOL.

AND, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, UH, MY, MY THOUGHTS AFTER LAST MEETING ON THAT SPECIFIC, THAT SPECIFIC THING ABOUT PUTTING DISTRICT NUMBERS NEXT TO COMMISSION COMMISSIONER NAMES, UM, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, YOU KNOW, THINK MY APPOINTED COUNCIL MEMBER IS A FINE GUY.

UM, BUT I DON'T, I HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S A FRIEND, BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK OF MYSELF AS WORKING FOR HIM OR IN, FOR, EVEN FOR HIS DISTRICT WHEN I SERVE ON THE COMMISSION.

UM, AND I THINK THAT, UH, ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS WE KIND OF NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF AS WE CONSIDER COMPLAINTS, THAT WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY PASSIONATE ON BOTH SIDES AND HAVE DIVERSE IDEOLOGIES, IS THAT WE MAINTAIN, UM, THE SORT OF CORE INDEPENDENCE THAT OUR COMMISSION IS SUPPOSED TO KIND OF EMBODY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, IF I DON'T THINK ABOUT WHAT MY APPOINTED COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING TO THINK WHEN I'M DECIDING ON A CASE, AND I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE READING THE AGENDA TO THINK LIKE, OH, HE'S THAT GUY'S LACKEY.

THAT'S WHY HE RULED THAT WAY.

UM, SO, BUT, UM, ON COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK, YOU ALSO DO NOT HAVE TO BE APPOINTED BY YOUR, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

I FEEL APPOINTED BECAUSE EITHER YEAH.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER, YOU KNOW, JUST WHO APPOINTS YOU.

UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WHEN YOU ARE A PRECINCT CHAIR YOU'RE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN YOUR PRECINCT, BUT THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

SO YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

FAIR ENOUGH.

I SWEAR KALE, THE INFORMATION IS PUBLIC.

ANYWAY, ASSUMING YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, YOU CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION SO GOOD IN THE WAY, BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND AS WELL, SO THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DO.

OH, COMMISSIONER STANTON, GO AHEAD.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY EXCELLENT PERSPECTIVE THAT I DID NOT HAVE, AND WITH THAT INFORMATION, I COMPLETELY AGREE.

UM, I ALSO SEE YOUR POINT AND SO THANK YOU FOR ENLIGHTENING ME.

UM, I WOULD NOT BE RECOMMENDING AT THIS POINT THAT WE PROCEED WITH THAT INITIAL RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE THE NO, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP AND, UM, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO THROW THINGS ON THE AGENDA THAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE, IT'S HOW WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.

UM, THE OTHER THING THOUGH, THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS, UH, ADDING INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMMISSION'S JURISDICTION.

I LIKE THAT IDEA.

UM, AND I DO THINK THAT, UH, EVEN JUST, UM, UH, ONE TO TWO SENTENCE, UH, YOU KNOW, BRIEF DESCRIPTION THAT HAP, SO I'M HOLDING UP THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S NO CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION HERE, UH, KIND OF UNDER THE SORT OF LIKE PREFACING MATERIAL AND, OR THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, JUST THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION CONSIDERS, UH, COMPLAINTS UNDER THESE OR CONSIDERS ETHICS COMPLAINTS ABOUT CITY OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES, CERTAIN CITY OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES, UH, COMPLAINTS ABOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE AND ELECTION RELATED ISSUES AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL ON THOSE THINGS.

SOMETHING, UH, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE PRECISE WORDS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK A BRIEF ONE, MAYBE TWO SENTENCE LINE THERE, I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, COMMISSIONERS? UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PRETTY LONG STATEMENT IN THE CODE THAT I THINK IT'S TOO LONG TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, THE FULL, UM, WHERE WE COULD MAYBE HYPERLINK THE COMMISSION'S WEBPAGE TO THE AGENDA.

BUT I FEEL LIKE ANYONE WHO'S GETTING THE AGENDA IS GETTING IT FROM THE WEB COMMISSION'S WEBSITE ANYWAY.

I THINK, AS DOES THE WEBSITE HAVE SOMETHING.

WHICH HAS THE,

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THEN I, I THINK IT'S KIND OF UNNECESSARY FOR IT TO BE ON THE AGENDA AS WELL.

WHERE ELSE DOES THE AGENDA, IS THERE A PHYSICAL PLACE THE AGENDA ENDS UP, UM, RIGHT.

AND, AND LOOKING, THANK YOU.

WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, UM, GO LIKE LANDING PAGE FOR OUR COMMISSION.

IT SAYS THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ESTABLISHED BY CHAPTER TWO DASH TWO, CAMPING FINANCE IN TWO DASH SEVEN, ETHICS AND FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE.

UM, C-SECTION ONE, ONE, UH, ONE DASH ONE DASH ONE, FOUR OR FIVE OF CITY CODE.

UM, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS IT.

UM, AND WHILE I'M NOT GOING TO KNOCK, WHOEVER WROTE THAT, UM, DOES DOESN'T GIVE THE CLEAREST PICTURE OF WHAT WE DO, MAYBE.

SO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER OPTION, UM, THAT WE CAN CONSIDER IS MAYBE JUST ASKING THAT, THAT BE THAT WEBSITE LANDING PAGE HAVE A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT I THINK MAY HAVE, MIGHT'VE BEEN A SENTENCE FRAGMENT, UM, UH, THAT JUST KIND OF POINTS TO CODES THAT WE HAVE JURISDICTION OVER.

UM, YEAH.

COMMISSIONER STANTON.

I'D LIKE TO, UM, ON THIS ONE, I'M GOING TO HOLD TO MY RECOMMENDATION TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT PRINTED.

I, I AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTION OF A BRIEF, BECAUSE I THINK WE, THE WORKING GROUP, WE LOOKED AT I'M A FAN OF NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL AND, AND RESTATING THINGS AND JUST COPYING IT.

BUT WE LOOKED AT THE, I THINK IT WAS THE BYLAWS AND IT WAS JUST TOO LONG AND WORDY.

I SEE YOUR POINT.

I AGREE THAT, THAT STATEMENT, I WAS HOPING FOR LIKE A ONE SENTENCE STATEMENT.

SO I WAS GOING TO DEFER TO OUR LANDING PAGE, BUT THAT'S THE STATEMENT YOU JUST READ OFF THE LANDING PAGE, RIGHT.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS VALUE IN REPEATING OUR JURISDICTION, UM, IN PRINT ON THIS, I THINK IT'S, UM, NAIVE OF US IN ANY COMMISSION TO EXPECT THAT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN HAS ACCESS TO THINGS ELECTRONICALLY AND CAN ACCESS THAT INFORMATION RIGHT THERE ON THE FLY.

UM, IT, IT, IT IS SIMILAR TO WHY I RECOMMENDED, UM, AND WHY I THINK IT'S GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE THE LIST OF, UM, CURRENT COMMISSION MEMBERS HERE, BECAUSE WE CAN SAY, WELL, THAT INFORMATION IS ON THE WEBSITE TOO, BUT THERE IS VALUE IN HAVING THAT INFORMATION RIGHT THEN AND THERE AS YOU'RE.

AND I'M JUST THINKING OF, AND IT MAY NOT HAPPEN OFTEN, BUT THERE, BUT I BELIEVE IN ACCESSIBILITY AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAYBE ATTEND THESE MEETINGS, WHO HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO LOOK UP THE INFORMATION.

I LOOK AT THE AGENDA ONLINE BEFORE COMING TO THE MEETING AND THEY SHOW UP AND I'D LIKE, FOR THAT INFORMATION, JUST TO BE AVAILABLE, WHETHER THEY USE IT OR NOT, IT'S AVAILABLE.

NO.

AND I, AND I'VE ONE QUESTION THAT I DID HAVE, UH, SIMILAR TO THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION FOR, UM, LOT DEPARTMENT OR LIAISON.

UM, UH, IF THERE IS, I'M THINKING BACK, UH, TO THE LEGISLATURE, THERE IS A, THERE ARE PHYSICAL BOARDS THAT THE NOTICES FOR COMMITTEE MEETINGS GET POSTED ON.

IS THERE SUCH A THING FOR CITY MEETINGS? IS THERE A PLACE LIKE MAYBE EVEN IF IT'S AROUND THIS BUILDING, UM, THANK YOU, UH, PLACE AROUND THIS BUILDING WHERE IT'S PHYSICALLY POSTED THAT SOMEONE CAN WALK BY AND SEE, UM, I WILL LYNN CARTER LAW DEPARTMENT.

I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE ABOUT THAT.

WE USED TO HAVE THAT, BUT I THINK IT IS A, UM, I THINK IT MAY BE ON THIS MONITOR WHEN THERE'S NOT A MEETING IN SESSION THAT IT FLIPS UP THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.

BUT I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY, YOUR AGENDA IS ALWAYS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT A PHYSICAL POSTING AND I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT.

UH, NOT A PROBLEM.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT IN ANY EVENT, UH, I THINK A ONE SENTENCE OR ONE LINE DESCRIPTION HERE IS PERFECTLY FINE.

AND MAYBE THAT'S THE SENTENCE THAT WE USE FOR THE WEBSITE AS WELL, GIVEN THAT THE WEBSITE WASN'T FANTASTIC.

COMMISSIONER.

DANBURG I KNOW YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP AND I APOLOGIZE.

GO AHEAD.

AND CAN'T YOU, I THINK WYNN'S IDEA IS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE IF YOU PUT IT IN JUST REGULAR HUMAN WORDS, NOT CODE CITATIONS, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE WELCOMING TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO, WITH WHOM WE SHOULD BE

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INTERACTING.

AND IT WOULD BE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A NUDGE THAT WE'RE NOT THE RIGHT ONES TO BE INTERACTING WITH BEFORE THEY COME AND GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YEAH, THEY'VE GOT A REAL PROBLEM, BUT WE AREN'T THE ONES WHO CAN DEAL WITH IT.

AND SO I THINK HAVING A ONE OR TWO SENTENCE, SENTENCE THING THERE, AND THEN SAYING FOR MORE INFORMATION, SEE THE WEBSITE OR WHATEVER.

YEAH, NO, I AGREE.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSION? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, WE MAY COMMISSION SOMEONE TO DO THIS AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO FIND THE MAGIC WORDS RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN CONSIDER POTENTIALLY ADOPTING IT AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

UM, CAUSE WHAT I COULD, I COULD TRY TO WORKSHOP SOMETHING, BUT I WOULD ALSO WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR TIME AND OUR OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. I SEE, I'LL GO MCCORMICK LEARNER THEN STANTON.

SO COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S BEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE, IF YOU HAD MANY DECADES THAT THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE SOMETHING BEFORE YOU WENT IN THE DOOR WITH SOME, A PAGE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT OR WHAT'S ON, BUT THAT WAS A LONG, LONG TIME.

AND WE DO, UH, I MEAN HERE PHYSICALLY, WE DO HAVE COPIES OF THE AGENDA THAT ARE SITTING, UH, WHEN PEOPLE WALK IN.

SO IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THERE'S AND WE'VE HAD MEETINGS IN THE PAST THAT ARE VERY WELL ATTENDED, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO HAVE A COPY WITH A VERY SIMPLE EXPLANATION OF TOP, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT THIS COMMISSION HERE TO DO AND, UH, POTENTIALLY IT'LL, HERE'S THE SPEED DIAL WHEN YOU GOT A SPEED DAUGHTER SHOW UP HERE BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN THERE'D BE INFORMATION OUT EITHER PUT OUT BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING ELSE DECADES AGO.

AH, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, THAT'S THE BYLAWS.

OUR BYLAWS SAY THAT IT IS MY JOB AND I DO, I DO THIS.

UM, BUT I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THEN, SO THE BYLAWS SAY THAT ONE OF THE DUTIES OF THE CHAIRS TO PROVE EACH FINAL MEETING AGENDA, UM, WHICH I THINK MEANS THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND PUT IT IN THE AGENDA.

I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE INPUT BEFORE DOING THAT ON MY OWN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE KIND OF MAYBE FORMAL ACTION, UM, TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO OUR AGENDA.

BUT I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU COULD ASSIGN A WORKING GROUP OR, UM, I WILL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS NEEDS A FULL WORKING GROUP.

UM, I WILL.

HOW ABOUT THIS? UM, IF ANYONE FEELS INSPIRED ON OUR COMMISSION, PLEASE BY ALL MEANS, SEND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO LYNN.

UM, AND THEN AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WE CAN DISCUSS, UH, THE VARIOUS OPTIONS TO HAVE AS KIND OF THE FINAL SENTENCE OR TWO THAT IS IN OUR AGENDA AS OPPOSED TO CREATING A NEW WORK IN GROUP TO COME UP WITH, UH, MAYBE 15 TO 20 WORDS.

UM, VICE-CHAIR KALE.

IT MAY BE, THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING AN INTERN SUPPORT USE SUPPORTING US.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, THIS IS ACTUALLY TIED TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, THE OP-ED, WHICH DOES INCLUDE SOME OF THAT MORE VERNACULAR LANGUAGE FROM THE ORDINANCE.

AND SO WHOEVER DECIDES TO WORK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE APPROVE THIS OP-ED OR THE WORDING IN THAT WE COULD JUST USE THAT.

SO IT'S CONSISTENT ACROSS DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. THAT IS A GREAT POINT.

VERY GOOD POINT.

UM, SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT, THE CS SECRETARY LEARNING AND THEN, YEAH, THIS IS KIND OF AN, I MEAN IT'S RELATED, BUT NOT DIRECTLY PERTINENT, BUT IT JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S, UM, PRECEDENT FOR HAVING AN INTERN ASSIGNED TO THE COMMISSION, MAYBE THROUGH THE LAW DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

CAN WE, CAN WE GET INTERNS WHEN I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT.

AND THAT'S ALSO A SEPARATION OF POWERS ISSUE.

UM, YEAH, I CAN, WELL, YOU COULD I ON, UH, ON THE TEAM'S JOB BOARD BECAUSE I HAVEN'T ENTERED YOU KIDDING.

UM, AS A FORMER INTERN MYSELF, AND AS SOMEBODY WHO'S LOVED ENTRANCE, I HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR THEM AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO, UH, GET AN INTERN FOR A MONTHLY MEETING.

KNOW, I MEAN, I'M SERIOUS.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU DO ALL THIS WORK TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSION AND ALL THIS ADDITIONAL TASKS COME UP AS A VOLUNTEER BOARD AND PEOPLE HAVE OTHER FULL-TIME JOBS, IT'S,

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AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT SEPARATION, BUT MAYBE, I MEAN, IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE, UH, AT LEAST EXPLORED.

NOPE.

MAYBE ADD IT AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

HM.

ME, UH, TO A, I BELIEVE, YES.

I MEAN, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW WE WOULD.

COMMISSIONER STANTON, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE? CAUSE I'M JUST THINKING, COULD YOU JUST ASK OR DELEGATE THE WORK IN GROUP ONE? WHAT IS IT? PROCEDURES AND SOMETHING AND OTHER ISSUES TO, TO EVERYTHING WORKING SANCTIONS.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

SANCTIONS PROCEDURES AND OTHER ISSUES.

WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE TO, TO HAVE THAT BE A PART OF THAT WORKING GROUP AND I'M IN THAT WORKING GROUP AND I'LL, I'LL TAKE THAT ON AS COMING UP WITH SOMETHING AND THEN SENDING IT TO LYNN OR, OR, UM, CAUSE I'D LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP, BUT I COULD DEFINITELY COME UP WITH, UH, START, START US OFF WITH SOMETHING AND THEN GET FEEDBACK FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP AND DO IT THAT WAY.

UM, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN LEAVE THE DOOR.

WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK TO ASSIGN SOMEONE TO DO THIS.

UM, AND I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS KIND OF HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EQUITY STATEMENT AND THE OP-ED, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE GONNA BE USEFUL GUIDES AND HOW WE THINK ABOUT THE LANGUAGE WE WOULD USE.

UM, AND I THINK IF, UH, IT, AS PART OF THE WORKING GROUP, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, COME UP WITH A SUGGESTION FOR A SENTENCE OR TWO, THAT WOULD GO IN THE AGENDA, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP I'LL SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF WOULD LOVE TO BE A SOUNDING BOARD FOR YOU.

SO BY ALL MEANS, UM, BUT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OUR OTHER AGENDA ITEMS OKAY.

HEARING AND SEEING NONE, AND I'M LOOKING AT A REMOTE, THEN WE'LL GO INTO AGENDA ITEM TWO B WE'RE IN THE OLD BUSINESS NOW.

UM, EXCUSE

[2A. Draft Op-Ed by the Working Group on Race, Identity, and Equity]

SO THIS IS THE GRAFT OP-ED BY THE WORKING GROUP ON RACE, IDENTITY AND EQUITY.

SO I'M GOING TO PASS IT TO VICE-CHAIR KALE TO LAY THIS OUT.

I'M GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN.

UM, SO ACTUALLY AS Y'ALL CAN SEE, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS AND I WANT TO SORT OF GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE TWO DOCUMENTS OR JUST ONE DOCUMENT THAT WE SEND THE SECOND DOCUMENT BEING

[2B. Draft Commission Statement on Equity, Access, and the Need for Reform by the Working Group on Race, Identity, and Equity.]

TO BE.

SO WHAT I, THE THINKING WAS, SO OUR WORKING GROUP, LUIS DRAFTED AN OP-ED SO THAT WE CAN GET THE WORD OUT TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT WE DO IN MORE USER-FRIENDLY LANGUAGE, WHICH WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

SO, AND LAN HAS GIVEN US, GIVEN US FEEDBACK TO IT.

AND I'VE INCORPORATED YOUR COMMENTS FROM A MEETING OF TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO.

AND SO I WOULD ASK YOU, UM, THEY'RE BOTH DESIGNED TO CREATE PARTICIPATION FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEY'RE BOTH ALSO DESIGNED, UM, AT LEAST IN WHATEVER WE END UP WITH TO DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO ONE OF THE LITTLE SIDE PROJECTS I DID WAS TO CREATE A SPREADSHEET OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT OUTLETS AROUND TOWN AND CITY VENUES AND PLACES WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY GET THE WORD OUT.

I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH, UM, CITY STAFF ON WHAT OUR RESOURCES ARE AND KIND OF WHAT THE PLAN IS.

AND OF COURSE IT'S ALL PENDING ON WHAT WE END UP WITH.

SO I'LL TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STATEMENTS.

MINE IS THE FIRST ONE TO A, IS THIS, I GUESS OP-ED IS NOT REALLY THE RIGHT WORD ANYMORE, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THAT SUGGESTS IT'S AN OPINION PIECE.

IT'S MORE OF A, WHAT WE DO.

AND IT'S JUST BULLET POINTS ABOUT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT WE DO AND HOW THE PUBLIC CAN USE US.

UM, THE STATEMENT BY COMMISSIONER LAURIE IS IN, I TALKED TO HER PRIOR TO THE MEETING ABOUT THIS AND THE WAY SHE SEES IT AS IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE, UM, SIGN OFF ON IT, WE WOULD, UM, POTENTIALLY SEND IT UP TO CITY COUNCIL AS SORT OF A STATEMENT OF WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.

HERE'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

HERE'S WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.

AND, UM, WE HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT US IN THIS EFFORT.

BOTH DOCUMENTS HAVE THE GOAL OBVIOUSLY OF INCLUDE OF, UM, INCREASING PARTICIPATION IN THE PUBLIC.

AND SO, UM, I GUESS NEXT STEPS ARE FOR Y'ALL TO GIVE ME FEEDBACK, IF IT'S CONFUSING TO HAVE TWO DOCUMENTS AND IF WE WANT TO SOMEHOW COMBINE THEM, WHICH I'M

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HAPPY TO DO, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH LOTS OF CRITICAL FEEDBACK ON, ON WRITING.

UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE TWO DOCUMENTS OR ONE, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC POINTS YOU WANT TO MAKE ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT WE'VE WRITTEN.

SO, AND I THINK THAT ONCE WE DO THAT, A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE COULD BE USED FOR ULTIMATELY THE AGENDA.

AND IN FACT, I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE USER-FRIENDLY IF WHATEVER WE USE ON THE AGENDA ALMOST IS VERBATIM FROM WHATEVER WE ADOPT ON THIS.

BECAUSE IF, IF, IF SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING AT ONE THING AND THEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE AGENDA AND THEY'RE GOING WELL, THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE THE SAME THING OR NOT.

SO IF WE CAN MAKE THEM VERBATIM, IT'S MUCH, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.

SO YES.

UM, ANY, ANY STRONG INITIAL FEEDBACK I HAVE, I HAVE, UH, THOUGHTS FIRST.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IN THE WORK ON THIS.

NO, THAT, UH, I AM, I THINK I'M A MEMBER OF THIS WORKING GROUP IN NAME ONLY, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN MORE ACTIVE.

UM, UH, I ONE THOUGHT THAT I DO HAVE ON THE QUESTION OF TWO STATEMENTS AND I'M HAPPY TO KIND OF BROADEN THIS TO TALKING ABOUT, UH, I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ITEM BY ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT TO A AND T B.

UM, I THINK THAT IT MAY MAKE SENSE AND I'M HAPPY TO HEAR IF THERE'S A STRONG OPINION AGAINST THIS.

UM, BUT TO INCLUDE, UM, IN THE, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING, UH, A STATEMENT THAT IS CIRCULATED ON EQUITY ACCESS AND THE NEED FOR REFORM AND, UH, THIS EXPLAINER, UM, MAYBE INCLUDING IN THE, OP-ED A STATEMENT OF SOME OF OUR VALUES ABOUT THINKING CRITICALLY, UH, AND SYSTEMICALLY ABOUT WHAT THE COMMISSION DOES.

UM, NOT THE ENTIRETY OF THE STATEMENT IN THE OP-ED OBVIOUSLY, BUT TO SORT OF TAKE THE, WHAT THE STATEMENT IS TRYING TO DO TO KIND OF THAT LIKE SPEAKS TO OUR VALUES ON THIS SUBJECT AND INCLUDED IN THE OP-ED.

SO WE HAVE ONE DOCUMENT THOUGHTS, SO FOLDED IN KIND OF ANOTHER WORDS.

I ECHO THE CHAIR'S THANKS FOR DOING THIS.

I ALSO THOUGHT THE SAME THING THAT OP ED DIDN'T, UM, SEEM TO MY MIND TO KIND OF TRIVIALIZE IT.

AND I THINK THIS IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN JUST AN OPINION PIECE.

SO, UM, LET'S CHANGE THAT, THAT WORD.

I'M USUALLY A FAN OF COMBINING AND JUST HAVING ONE, UM, DOCUMENT.

AND I LOVE, I LOVE HOW IT'S WRITTEN IN, UM, NON LAWYER TERMS. I LOVE THAT.

AND I STARTED THINKING IF WE GO THE TWO, THE TWO SEPARATE DOCUMENT ROUTE, I BELIEVE THAT FOR THE, UM, STATEMENT ON EQUITY ACCESS AND NEED FOR REFORM WOULD, UH, CARRY MORE WEIGHT OR SEEM MORE OFFICIAL IF IT WERE A RESOLUTION.

AND THEN, BUT, UH, BUT IF WE GO THE ONE DOCUMENT ROUTE, WHICH, WHICH I LIKE, I THINK WE CAN INCLUDE IT JUST AS PART OF IT AND PERHAPS, UM, HAVE CATEGORY HEADINGS W WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE BELIEVE I'M LISTENING TO YOU, AND I'M TAKING NOTES AT THE SAME TIME.

SO IF YOU SEE ME LOOKING DOWN, NO, THAT'S FINE.

UM, I LIKE THAT.

SO I'M, AND, AND WHO, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE BOTH WHERE WE HAVE THIS ONE DOCUMENT AND IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE BELIEVE AND STILL HAVE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION OF THE RESOLUTIONS REQUIRE MORE, I THINK, MORE EFFORT IN WRITING IT OUT AND THEN REVIEW.

SO I AM FINE WITH, UM, COMBINING IT INTO ONE, BUT ADDING IT AND, AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO SEPARATED AND CALL IT OUT.

THEN I, I LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO WHAT WE BELIEVE.

THANK YOU, SECRETARY LEARNER.

UM, SO GOSH, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ARTICULATE WHAT I'M THINKING HERE.

SO FIRST OFF THAT THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING FOR A BODY LIKE THIS TO DO IS TO SIGNAL OUR, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT IN WHICH WE SERVE.

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AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON IN THE PAST 18 MONTHS IN ADDITION.

SO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY DOES NOT IN ANY WAY, NEGATE THAT ISSUES OF, UM, OTHER TYPES OF INEQUITY ALSO ARE AN ISSUE FOR THIS COMMISSION.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COME BACK TO A RECENT CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE LAWYERS, PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD LAWYERS, PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO NOT HAVE THE MEANS OR ABILITY TO BE ONLINE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT HAVING ACCESS TO THE INTERNET.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BACK TO PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD ABOUT HOW COMPLEX IT IS TO INTERACT WITH US.

AND SO, SO I GUESS I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO SAY, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT I DON'T WANT IN ANY WAY FOR THAT TO OVERSHADOW THAT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE EFFORTS TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE OTHER CHALLENGES.

I, I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UH, I, UH, I'LL SECOND THAT THOUGHT.

UM, AND I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE AXES ON WHICH WE, I THINK ONE REASON I LIKE THE NAME OF THE WORKING GROUP IS BECAUSE IT SEEMS ENCOMPASSING OF THAT AS THINGS THAT SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.

UM, AND I THINK THAT ANY, ANYTHING WE DO WITH THE STATEMENT ITSELF, IF WE TURNED IT INTO A RESOLUTION SEPARATELY, I THINK IT'D BE WHO BEST TO THINK ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY AND EQUITY AND INCLUSION ON DIFFERENT AXES INTERSECTION OR AT THE CONCLUSION THAT CONCLUDES YOUR SENTENCE, SAYS, AS THIS COMMISSION EVALUATES HIS ROLE IN RACIAL JUSTICE, WE ENCOURAGED COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO SHARE THEIR FEEDBACK EXPERIENCES, OR IS IT, AND NOW YOU CAN REALLY SAY NO, BECAUSE THIS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO NOW BECOME LIKE THIS GRAB BAG WHERE IT DILUTES, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO SAY, YEAH, THIS COMMISSION EVALUATES ITS ROLE IN RACIAL JUSTICE AND EQUITY WRIT LARGE.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN SAY EQUITY ACROSS, ACROSS AUSTIN'S POPULATION AND RACIAL JEW.

I DON'T KNOW.

OTHERWISE, I THINK WE CAN'T HAVE A PROLIFERATION OF LIKE THESE STATEMENTS, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN JUST THINK ABOUT IT, RIGHT.

THE DRAFT.

THAT'S WHY IT'S A DRAFT.

CAUSE WE, WE WORK ON IT AND CHANGE IT AND GET TO, UH, IDEALLY I WANT TO GET SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY SIGNS OFF ON.

AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE POSSIBLE SUGGESTION IS FOR THAT SENTENCE TO SAY, AS IT, AS THE COMMISSION EVALUATES ITS ROLE IN RACIAL, UH, SYSTEMS OF SOCIAL RACIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE, MAYBE NOT SYSTEMS, BUT TO INCLUDE, UH, WORDS LIKE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC GIVEN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ACCESS, ACCESS TO COUNSEL IN A COURTROOM IS AN ISSUE OF ECONOMIC JUSTICE.

ARGUABLY, AND I THINK IT WOULD APPLY A LOT HERE TOO, GIVEN THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US.

UM, SO, BUT YES, WELL TAKEN, UM, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

SO THE ONE THAT WAS DATED 10 27, I TOTALLY CAN SEE PUTTING THIS ON OUR LANDING PAGE, THE ONE FROM APRIL 16TH, IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE AGREE.

BUT WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH THIS STATEMENT? AND WHAT, HOW WOULD PEOPLE INTERPRET IT? I JUST DON'T.

I MEAN, IN SOME WAYS I FEEL LIKE WHAT IT SAYS ALMOST OUGHT TO GO WITHOUT SAYING RIGHT.

OUGHT TO.

UM, BUT W WHERE WOULD WE PUT THIS? LET'S WHAT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.

UM, YES, WE BELIEVE THESE THINGS, BUT THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION.

AND I WOULD TOTALLY SUPPORT PUTTING THE FIRST ONE, THE LONGER STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT WE DO ON THE LANDING PAGE FOR OUR COMMISSION, IF THAT'S ALLOWED.

I HAD THAT THOUGHT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THIS IS LESS OF AN OP-ED, I'M MORE OF A KIND OF OUTREACH PIECE AND DESCRIPTION.

YEP.

UM, I SEE COMMISSIONER DAN BERG'S HAND.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER DAN BERGAN.

A CASE THAT WE HAD WHERE THE ACCUSATION WAS THAT SOMEONE WAS MISUSING CITY SERVICES BY GETTING BABYSITTING FROM GOD, BY GETTING BABYSITTING FROM AN, A PERSON UNDER HER IN THE CHAIN.

UM, ON THE ONE HAND, I DON'T WANT TO, IN ANY WAY, WATER DOWN THE RACIAL JUSTICE ASPECT OF THIS, ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EQUITY AND OTHER 10 INCHES TO ACCESS, UM, I'M THINKING BACK TO

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AND MY PIVOTAL QUESTION WAS, WOULD YOU ALSO ASK, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR BABYSITTING THE OTHER DIRECTION THAT JUST THINGS LIKE ACCESS BE, BEING ABLE TO DO YOUR JOB WHILE YOU HAVE, UH, A CHILD OR AN ELDERLY PERSON WHILE YOU HAVE PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS? UH, NOT JUST PHYSICAL, BUT ALSO ECONOMIC LIMITATIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PARITY ISSUES THERE, AND THAT WAS PIVOTAL FOR ME IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, WAS THAT IT WENT BOTH WAYS FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER UP AND THE PERSON DOWN THE CHAIN.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT EVERYBODY IS, UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF INEQUITY AND PARODY ISSUES THAT AFFECT PEOPLE IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT WAYS WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT.

AND SOME THAT WE PROBABLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

UH, COMMISSIONER STANTON, AND THEN SECRETARY LINER.

I AGREE.

AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AND, AND THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS YES, I AGREE.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT.

UM, BUT SPECIFIC TO, AS IT IS VERY RELEVANT TO OUR COMMISSION IN PARTICULAR IS THE ACCESS TO COUNSEL.

THAT IS THE BIGGEST, UM, INEQUITY THAT WE, THAT WE'VE SEEN.

AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMEONE CAN ARGUE THAT THERE WAS A CORRELATION OBVIOUSLY BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC, AND IT COULD BE SOME CORRELATION BETWEEN THE ECONOMIC INEQUITY AND THE RACIAL, BUT THE, THE MAIN IMPORTANT THING IS THE ECONOMIC INEQUITY AND LACK, OR VERY LITTLE ACCESS TO COUNSEL AND, UM, RESOURCES, LEGAL RESOURCES.

SO I'D, I'D LIKE THAT HIGHLIGHTED MORE, MORE SO THAN, UH, THE RACIAL AGAIN, I THINK EVERYBODY'S SAYING THE SAME THING AS WE DON'T, WE DON'T MEAN TO, AND THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO DOWNPLAY THE RACIAL INEQUITY, BUT PERTINENT TO WHAT WE DO AS THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION.

IT'S THE ECONOMIC INEQUITY THAT IS PARAMOUNT.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG'S STATE POINT, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT? SO MAKING A STATEMENT IS ONE THING I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO, THIS IS LIKE ONE OF THOSE COMMENTS THAT I'M SURE WILL BE VERY APPRECIATED, UM, SARCASTICALLY, UM, THAT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I THINK, UM, I THINK ONE, ONE THING THAT I WOULD, UH, ONE MOTIVATOR FOR ME AND SUGGESTING KIND OF THE FOLD IN, UM, TO THE, THIS OUTREACH PIECE, UM, WAS SORT OF ALONG THOSE LINES AS WELL, THAT WE CAN, UH, DISTILL THIS STATEMENT INTO A POTENTIALLY BROADER KIND OF VALUE STATEMENT, UM, OR VALUE SENTENCE, OR SET OF SENTENCES THAT LIKE REFLECTS WHAT COMMISSIONER DANBURG WAS REFERRING TO WAS A PRIOR CASE, UM, WHERE THE RESPONDENT, UM, CAME FROM A VERY SPECIFIC CULTURAL CONTEXT AND, UH, MEMBERS OF HER COMMUNITY CAME TO HER DEFENSE, UH, OUTSPOKENLY, AND THERE WAS MORE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION ON THAT ITEM.

THEN THERE WAS, AND OTHERS PUT IT THAT WAY.

UM, AND IT WAS AN ISSUE OF, UH, CHILDCARE THERE, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE WAS, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AN INTERSECTIONAL CASE THAT WE HAD, THAT WAS ONE OF THEM, THERE WERE GENDER ISSUES AND RACIAL ISSUES AND, UM, ECONOMIC ACCESS ISSUES BOUND UP IN THE COMPLAINT ITSELF, LIKE THE SUBJECT OF THE COMPLAINT, SO TO SPEAK.

UM, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, MORE RECENTLY, WE'VE SEEN CASES WHERE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO KIND OF MAKE YOUR CASE IN THE FIRST PLACE ON THE COMPLAINANT'S SIDE HAS ALSO BEEN AN ISSUE.

SO I THINK SORT OF DISTILLING WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THIS SORT OF LIKE A COMMISSION STATEMENT ON EQUITY ACCESS AND THE NEED FOR A FORUM, I THINK COULD BE A BROADER VALUE STATEMENT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT AXES, THERE ARE ISSUES AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO, I'M COMMITTED TO, UH, WORKING ON THEM AND ENGAGE, ENCOURAGING THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT AND HOW, HOW THE COMMISSION WORKS ON IT.

UM, SECRETARY, SO ON ALL THAT, I MEAN, I MEAN, JUST GOING BACK TO

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TO, TO ACTUALLY DO THAT, TO, TO ENACT THESE THINGS.

SO IT, IT, I THINK IT WOULD, I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ANALYZED FOR CHANGE, UH, WOULD BE GOOD TO, UM, I GUESS IN THE, IN THE MEDIA PIECE, NOW MY THINKING ABOUT THE MEDIA PIECE AND I'M CALLING IT NOW IMMEDIATE PIECE, CAUSE IT IS LIKE AN OUTREACH OR COMMUNICATION.

SO IT FEELS TO ME LIKE MAYBE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE AUTHORIZED WOULD BE RATHER THAN A BLAND, NOT BLAND.

SO, BUT, BUT MORE DRY STATEMENT IS TO HAVE A CHAT WITH CHAIR SOBER WITH A REPORTER THAT SORT OF LIKE THAT IS IT'S ESTABLISHED IN ADVANCE.

LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE IT'S LIKE A Q AND A KIND OF LIKE A FIRESIDE CHAT.

LIKE LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION ACTUALLY WORKS.

AND, UM, AND I, AND I IMAGINE THAT THIS MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO GET PAST.

AND IF THIS IS LIKE, IT'S TOO HARD TO GET THIS APPROVED, BUT YOU CAN, AND YOU CAN CONVEY THE INFORMATION THROUGH MORE OF LIKE AN INTERVIEW WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY THE, A REPORTER SORT OF LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AS WE GO INTO ELECTION SEASON, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME FOR OUR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF BODIES IN THE CITY THAT, THAT WORK TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY.

SO THAT'S POTENTIALLY NO, THAT'S A GREAT THOUGHT.

AND I DON'T THINK, UM, THERE IS, THERE'S A NEED TO, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK IF WE WANT TO LIKE, BLESS SOMEONE TO BE A SPOKESPERSON, WE CAN DO THAT.

UM, I KNOW THAT I'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM REPORTERS, UH, AND HAD TO, HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT AND HOW I RESPOND.

UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT WE KEEP OUR MOUTH SHUT ABOUT WHAT WE DO ON THE COMMISSION, UNLESS IT IS AN ACTIVE COMPLAINT AND WE HAVE OUR EXPERT TAKE PROHIBITION.

UM, BUT I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, IF WE WANT TO HAVE, HAVE, UH, ELECTED SPOKESPERSON, PRESS SECRETARY, SECRETARY LEARNERS, UH, COMMISSIONER STANTON, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND, UM, AS AN OFFSHOOT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING IN THIS DIRECTION, UM, COULD WE DO, INSTEAD OF JUST ON PAPER ONLY, COULD WE DO A SHORT VIDEO? LIKE THESE DAYS VIDEOS ARE, YOU KNOW, SHORT VIDEOS AND IT COULD BE THE CHAIR, OR IT COULD BE EACH ONE OF US TAKING, TAKING A STATEMENT AND JUST KIND OF READING IT, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO? OH, I'LL SAY WE REVIEW COMPLAINTS FILED WITH THE CITY CARC ALLEGING DAH, DAH, DAH, DAH, SECRETARY LEARNER CAN SAY THE NEXT ONE, WE REVIEW COMPLAINTS ALLEGED, JUST SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SO STALE AS IT, AS ON PAYPAL PAPER.

BUT WE STILL HAVE THIS TO DISTRIBUTE RIGHT.

AS AN OFFICIAL, BUT I THINK LIKE VIDEO FORMAT THESE DAYS, UM, IT'S THE ATTENTION, RIGHT? EVERYTHING IS JUST, YOU KNOW, TIK TOK VIDEOS, RIGHT.

HEARING IT.

I'M SEEING A TIK TOK VIDEO.

WE'LL ALL LEARN A DANCE AND IT WILL, IT'LL BE GREAT.

UH, COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK, THIS IS VERY GOOD BECAUSE IT'S IN BULLET POINTS AND THAT'S HOW MOST PEOPLE JUST WILL READ A SENTENCE AND THEY CAN FILL IN, YOU KNOW, BULLET POINTS.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT OR NOT, BUT I'VE BEEN CALLED BY THE PRESS MORE THAN ONCE.

AND I DON'T TALK TO THE PRESS.

THEY CAN TALK TO LYNN.

THEY CAN TALK TO LOUIS, NOT ME.

UH, I'M NOT AN OFFICER.

I'M NOT THE CHAIR OF, I'VE TALKED TO THE PRESS ENOUGH IN MY CAREER.

AND THAT'S FAR SOMEBODY ELSE TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE, THERE'S THE CHAIR AND THE LEGAL COUNSEL AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THE PRESS IS GOING TO ANSWER AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO WRITE IT, WHAT THEY ASK AND WHAT THEY WRITE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

I MEAN, I THINK, UH, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE FINE WITH, UM, RELATIVELY LOW PRODUCTION VALUE, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUDGET FOR LIKE A DRONE SHOT OF THE CONDITION.

THERE WAS ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF LIKE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION MAYBE IF LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SUNDAY I, BUT I, I, I VERY MUCH LIKED THE IDEA.

UM, I SEE COMMISSIONER DANBURG AND THEN I SAW, I THOUGHT I SAW ANOTHER HAND, BUT COMMISSIONER DANBURY, GO

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AHEAD.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DO NEED TO REMIND YOU ALL ABOUT SOMETHING.

CAUSE IT'S COME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES FOR ME, IF ALL THE PRESS IS ASKING IS WHAT DID Y'ALL DO? HOW DID Y'ALL RULE? THAT'S ONE THING, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PRESS DOES.

THE PRESS IS ALWAYS ASKING.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS CASE? THAT'S STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION AND WE REALLY CAN'T EVEN TALK WITH THEM AND SAY, THERE'S NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION LOUD.

THIS IS ON THE AGENDA.

SO I CAN'T WAIT.

ANYTHING YOU SAY IS GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH A VIOLATION OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

IF IT, EVEN IF IT'S JUST, I CAN'T TALK TO YOU, THEY'RE GOING TO REPORT IT AS SO-AND-SO REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

I I'LL SAY THAT WHENEVER I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, THE PRESS AND THEY WANT TO ASK ABOUT A VERY SPECIFIC COMPLAINT THAT IS PENDING AND LIKE EITHER SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BEEN FILED, SOMETHING WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO A FINAL HEARING ON, UM, I WILL, I WILL CITE THE CODE.

LIKE I LOOK IT UP ON MY PHONE IN THAT MOMENT AND I'M LIKE PURSUANT TO THIS CODE.

I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND I JUST OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IF THEY KEEP ASKING, UM, THAT'S ONLY HAPPENED ONCE WHERE THEY WERE LIKE KEPT ASKING AND I HAD TO GIVE THE SAME ANSWER, NOT A PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION.

UM, BUT COMMISSIONER STANTON, GO AHEAD.

I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF VEERING OFF INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE SPEAK TO THE PRESS.

UM, I RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE A MORE, UH, INTERACTIVE OR MORE ENGAGING, UH, MESSAGE WAY TO DELIVER THE SAME MESSAGE.

RIGHT? THE MESSAGE DOES NOT CHANGE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A VIDEO.

THE MESSAGE IS THE SAME.

WE'RE JUST DOING IT IN A DIFFERENT MEDIUM, WHICH PROVIDES MORE, UM, PAZAZZ TO, TO OUR MESSAGE.

THIS IS NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS FROM THE PRESS AND THAT'S SO THAT WE HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT WE SAY, RIGHT? SO WHEN IT'S SCRIPTED AND THIS IS BASICALLY WHEN IT'S FINALIZED, THIS IS OUR SCRIPT.

SO I'M JUST RECOMMENDING AN AGREED CHAIR, NO HIGH PRODUCTION VALUE DO THAT RECORDED ON AN IPHONE, ON A SMARTPHONE AND, AND YOU KNOW, EACH PERSON TAKE EM, WE, WE CAN SCRIPT THIS OUT AND I CAN CERTAINLY HELP WITH THAT, BUT I'M JUST OFFERING, I'M JUST SUGGESTING THIS AS ANOTHER WAY TO, TO REACH PEOPLE, RIGHT? UM, AUDITORY AND VISUALLY THE VISUAL STIMULATION RATHER THAN READING YET ANOTHER DOCUMENT.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE REGULATIONS AGAINST THAT, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE LIKE A QUICK VIDEO, EVEN IF IT'S JUST YOU CHAIR SAYING, HI, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSIONS.

THIS IS WHAT WE DO.

BOOM, THAT'S IT.

AND THEN THAT'S, AND THEN THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF CLICKING ON THAT VIDEO.

AND I ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT THAT'S MORE ENGAGING THAN, THAN READING A DOCUMENT.

I I'M, I'M A VERY MUCH LIKE A KIND OF PERSON.

SO LIKE WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT BOTH.

I DO.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT WE'RE VEERING A LITTLE OFF TOPIC TALKING ABOUT THE VIDEO.

UH, I THINK IT'S A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT HAVING A LITTLE VIDEO STATEMENT THAT ACCOMPANIES THIS FOR NOW, THOUGH.

I'M GOING TO ASK VICE-CHAIR KALE.

DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH TO WORK WITH IN, UH, CONTINUING YOUR HEROIC EFFORTS ON THIS? NOT OP-ED IMMEDIATELY THE, THE MEDIA PIECE I HAVE PLENTY TO WORK ON AND I WILL FOLD IT INTO ONE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

TWO C, WHICH IS A UPDATE FROM OUR WORKING GROUPS.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR FEEDBACK.

NO, THANK YOU.

GOT UP HERE.

YEP.

UM, ALL RIGHT, THEN I THINK WE CAN MOVE DOWN OUR LIST.

WE'VE GOT AGENDA ITEM

[2C. Working group status reports and/or recommendations on the following.]

UM, I'M GOING TO SAY SO TO C I AND T C I R TO WORK IN GROUPS.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT TO CII, WHICH IS THE WORKING GROUP ON RACE, IDENTITY AND EQUITY.

WE HAVE UPDATED.

SO WE'LL JUST JUMP INTO THE WORKING GROUP ON SANCTIONS PROCEDURES AND OTHER ISSUES, THE EVERYTHING WORKING GROUP, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

I'M HAPPY TO LET YOU GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE, WHICH IS, UH, PROBABLY GOING TO BE BRIEF.

I'VE GOT THINGS I'D LIKE TO SHARE AS WELL, AND I'M OPEN TO ANYONE ON THE WORKING GROUP TO KIND OF CHIME IN, BUT GO AHEAD.

I'LL LET YOU KICK IT OFF.

CONSIDERING THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE WE'RE READY WITH A SURVEY, UM, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO POST ON SOME CITY

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WEBSITE, PERHAPS OUR LANDING PAGE, AND ALSO EMAIL TO, UM, FORMER COMMISSIONERS CHAIRS.

AND I HATE TO SAY FREQUENT FLYERS, BUT THE FLYERS.

UM, AND AS FAR AS A NEW FORM FOR THE, UM, COMPLAINT PROCESS, WE'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE READY AT THE NEXT MEETING TO PRESENT OPTIONS.

NUMBER IN THE COMPLAINT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY JUST A CHAPTER.

UM, THAT, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE ABOUT WHERE WE ARE, UM, AT, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS I'D LOVE TO LIKE, KIND OF, UH, JUST SHARE OUT LOUD ABOUT THAT FORM PIECE SPECIFICALLY AND JUST COLLECT ANY FEEDBACK THAT ANYONE HAS.

UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS, UH, I THINK THERE ARE TWO PLAUSIBLE PATHS.

SO JUST TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY, UM, THE IDEA WAS TO THE FORUM CURRENTLY SAYS THAT YOU NEED TO SPECIFY THE SECTION THAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE VIOLATED.

AND THE PER THE COMPLAINANT HAS TO WRITE ON THE FORM.

THIS IS SECTION TWO DASH TWO DASH 32 J.

AND IF THEY PUT 32 K UM, POTENTIALLY THEN THEY'RE FORCED, YEAH.

FORCED TO PROSECUTE, UH, UNDER A DIFFERENT SECTION OF CODE, LIKE WE'VE RUN INTO THE KIND OF TECHNICALITY ISSUE IN THE PAST.

UM, SO THE THING THAT WE'VE RUN INTO AS WE'VE LOOKED INTO IT AS A WORKING GROUP, UM, AND I KIND OF TOOK IT ON AS THE THING I WAS GOING TO DO, AND I WAS GOING TO MAKE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THESE FORMS. AND I REALIZED THAT ALL, BUT ONE OF THE VERSIONS OF THE FORMS THAT I WAS COOKING UP PROBABLY VIOLATED THE CITY CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT COMPLAINTS BECAUSE THE CITY CODE ITSELF SAYS THAT THE COMPLAINT NEEDS TO SPECIFY THE SECTION OF CODE.

SO THE TWO PATHS FORWARD ARE ONE, WE MAKE THE FORM SIMPLY AS USER-FRIENDLY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.

SO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE KICKING AROUND IS THAT WE INCLUDE ON THE COMPLAINT FORM UNDER WHERE IT SAYS SPECIFY SECTION, RIGHT UNDER IT SAYS, SEE APPENDIX A AND APPENDIX SAY, WE'LL SAY, HERE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS AND WHERE YOU CAN FIND THEM IN THE CODE.

UM, LIKE MAYBE NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF EVERY POSSIBLE OR CONCEIVABLE OR THEORETICAL VIOLATION UNDER TWO DESKS, SEVEN AND TWO DASH TWO AND FOUR DASH EIGHT FOR LOBBYISTS.

BUT, UM, A REFERENCE GOT A REFERENCE PAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE COMPLAINT FORM TO HELP PEOPLE FIND THE RIGHT SECTION OF CODE THAT THEY BUY.

OTHER SEPARATE CODE THAT THE TWO DASH 741 I THINK HAS TO BE IN THERE.

ALTERNATIVELY, WE CAN RECOMMEND A CHANGE TO THE CITY CODE THAT SAYS SPECIFY THE SECTION OF CODE.

AND THAT CHANGE COULD TAKE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FORMS, SAY SPECIFY THE SECTION OF CODE IF KNOWN, BUT THAT FUNCTIONALLY REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO SPECIFY THE EXACT SECTION, OTHER THOUGHTS WHERE SPECIFY THE ARTICLE.

UM, BUT THAT'S A VERY HUGE NET TO CAST.

ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT I'VE HAD IS TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT ALTOGETHER, BUT SIMPLY SAY THAT TO PROCEED TO A FINAL HEARING, UH, THE COMPLAINANT HAS TO SPECIFY WHICH SECTION OF CODE, BECAUSE AT A PRELIMINARY HEARING, IF WE'RE JUST FIGURING OUT WHETHER OR NOT, IF THERE'S REASONABLE GROUNDS TO BELIEVE THAT MAY BE A VIOLATION OCCURRED, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE FORCED THE COMPLAINANT TO SAY WHICH ONE, LIKE PICK NOW, BUT AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING, WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING EVIDENCE AND GATHERING INFORMATION.

AND MAYBE AT THAT POINT, THE COMPLAINANT AFTER HEARING WHAT THE RESPONDENT HAS TO SAY AS A BETTER IDEA, OH, REALLY IT'S GOING TO BE THIS KIND OF VIOLATION.

SO JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT UP AS THINGS WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT STRUGGLES THAT I'VE HAD AS I'VE TRIED TO, UH, WRESTLE WITH THE ISSUE.

UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ANY FEEDBACK THAT ANYONE'S GOT.

UM, I SEE GREENBERG WITH HER HAND UP DAN BERG WITH HER HAND UP AND I SEE SECRETARY LEARNER COMING AND PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A HAND UP SOON.

SO COMMISSIONER GREENBERG THEN DANBURG UM, WELL MY QUESTION FOR OUR LAWYER, UM, AND MAYBE YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IS, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO JUST HAVE CHECK BOXES SO THAT THE CHECK BOX IS MERELY TWO DASH TWO AND TWO DASH SEVEN AND MAYBE OTHER PLEASE SPECIFY, BUT, UM, SINCE MOST OF THEM ARE TWO DASH TWO OR TWO DASH SEVEN, OR IS THAT JUST NOT GOING TO BE CONSISTENT ENOUGH WITH CITY CODE MINUTES? THE SECTION, WELL, THE COMPLAINT THAT WOULD NOT, THE CITY CODE WOULD HAVE TO BE REVISED TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SECTION

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SO YEAH, THE CHAPTER IS NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH.

UM, THE, IT WOULD REQUIRE FAIR NOTICE.

I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER LEVIN'S SPOKE ON AT THE LAST MEETING WAS DUE PROCESS, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY MORE AN ISSUE OF FAIR NOTICE.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT HE MEANS BY DUE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE CHARGES AGAINST YOU.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE FAIR NOTICE.

THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THE DUE PROCESS.

UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND, UH, AGAINST THOSE CHARGES.

SO I DON'T THINK THE CHAPTER IS SUFFICIENT TO GIVE YOU FAIR NOTICE.

UM, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE SECTION NUMBER BE IN THERE.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I TOTALLY HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

YOU KNOW, THE LAW DEPARTMENT IS ASSIGNED AS YOUR LIAISON, BUT WE CANNOT ADVISE, WE CAN ADVISE YOU, BUT WE CAN'T ADVISE PARTIES, UM, AS TO HOW TO FILL OUT COMPLAINT FORMS. SO I'M NOT, DON'T REALLY, UM, IT'S A CONUNDRUM AND I DON'T HAVE, UM, A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU.

UH, AND GIVEN THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FILE OUR OWN COMPLAINTS, UM, DO WE POSSIBLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND THE COMPLAINT? I MEAN, IT'S JUST DISMISSING A COMPLAINT FILED BY A LAY PERSON BECAUSE OF A TECHNICALITY IT'S SIMPLY NOT JUSTICE.

AND THERE HAS TO BE A WAY THAT WE CAN FIX THIS.

UH, YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO FILE YOUR OWN COMPLAINTS.

UM, SO, UM, AND THEN HOW WOULD IT WORK? W I MEAN, IT'S, WE'RE NOT PROSECUTORS IF THERE'S REALLY A COMPLAINT.

I MEAN, WE REFER TO CITY LEGAL TO PROSECUTE.

UM, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY THE PROSECUTOR JUST BECAUSE WE FILED THE COMPLAINT.

WE'D STILL ACT AS THE COMMISSION, BUT STILL SOMEONE SORT OF SAYS, HERE'S, WE, WE HEAR FROM THE PERSON FILING THE COMPLAINT AND WE HEAR FROM THE PERSON WHO'S, UM, THE RESPONDENT.

SO THE COMMISSION WOULD BE THE ONES IN THAT CASE.

IF WE FILED A COMPLAINT THAT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE COMPLAINT, LIKE, HOW WOULD IT WORK? WELL, I TH SO I THINK YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS.

YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF DISMISSING THE COMPLAINT AND RECOMMENDING THAT THE COMPLAINANT REFILE UNDER, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC, UNDER SPECIFIC, I RECOMMENDED THAT THEY SHOULD DO.

I GOT ADMONISHED THAT, THAT I WOULD HAVE TO, UM, I, THAT I WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AND DISCUSS WITH OTHERS IN THE LAW DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE PROPRIETY OF THAT.

UM, AND WHILE I AM NOT AWARE OF AN INSTANCE WHERE, AND MAYBE COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK IS WHERE THE, WHERE THE COMMISSION HAS ACTUALLY FILED ITS OWN COMPLAINT.

UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE ISSUE OF IF, IF THERE WERE AN ETHICS VIOLATION, THERE ARE LOTS OF OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE, ET CETERA, BUT WHERE CAM GOT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION, UM, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A NEUTRAL PARTY AND YOU'RE A DECISION MAKER ON THAT.

AND SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD NEED SOME DISCUSSION INSIDE THE LAW DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE PROPER ROLE FOR THE COMMISSION IN THAT SCENARIO, WHETHER IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY YOU HAVE SPECIFIED THIS SECTION NUMBER, UH, WE REJECT THAT YOU WERE DISMISSING AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFILE.

AND THEN THE QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU CAN GIVE THEM FURTHER GUIDANCE ON WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.

SO SECTIONS, I JUST CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

I MEAN, WE SAW CASES WHERE A CLEAR VIOLATION OCCURRED.

IT JUST WASN'T THE VIOLATION THAT WAS ALLEGED.

AND IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD REFER THAT TO THE, UM, CITY LEGAL FOR PROSECUTION.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, BUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A HEARING ON THE SPECIFIC ALLEGATION, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE VIOLATION OCCURRED, CAN WE RECOMMEND PROSECUTION? I MEAN, WHAT, I FEEL LIKE OUR HANDS ARE TIED,

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OR MAYBE WE'RE JUST TYING OUR OWN HANDS ON NECESSARILY.

SO I SAW COMMISSIONER DANBURG SAND, AND I WANT TO JUMP TO HER.

AND THEN LEARNER'S STANTON.

SO COMMISSIONER DAMPER, THANK YOU.

THERE.

I VERY MUCH LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER GREENBERG WAS SAYING ABOUT A CHECKLIST.

WE SEE THE REASON THAT CITY LEGAL CANNOT TAKE THOSE CASES IS THAT CITY LEGAL IS REPRESENTING THOSE PEOPLE COMPLAINED ABOUT AS PART OF THEIR DUTY.

UM, SO THAT'S IN MY HEAD, YEAH.

TO CLARIFY, UNDER TWO DASH SEVEN CASES, CITY LEGAL, UH, CAN'T UM, HELP US OUT BECAUSE THE PERSON, THE RESPONDENT IN THOSE CASES IS EITHER A CITY OFFICIAL OR AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY AND CITY LEGAL IS REPRESENTING THEM.

SO TWO DASH TWO CASES, CAMPAIGN FINANCE STUFF, DIFFERENT STORIES, RIGHT, RIGHT.

DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT STORY, BUT NOT THE STORY THAT THAT COMMISSIONER GREENBERG IS, IS CONCERNED ABOUT IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE, I HAVE WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE A CREATIVE SOLUTION FOR THIS.

AND THAT IS THAT THERE BE AN OMBUDS PERSON.

I I'VE BEEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAW DEPARTMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, COULDN'T REPRESENT STUDENTS IN STUDENT HOUSING DISPUTES, BUT OF COURSE THEY COULDN'T GET THEIR OWN LAWYER.

AND HOW DO YOU GET THIS RESOLVED AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND SO THE UNIVERSITY APPOINTED AN OMBUDS PERSON BACK THEN THEY WERE OMBUDSMEN, BUT AN ODD BIRD, AN OMBUDS PERSON TO HELP THOSE STUDENTS PRESS THEIR CASE AGAINST THE INSTITUTION, WHICH WAS THEN THE UNIVERSITY HOUSING DEPARTMENT.

BUT IN THIS CASE IT MIGHT BE A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO I APPRECIATE, I, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT REALLY LOVES THAT SUGGESTION.

UM, I, UH, I THINK THE CASE THAT COMMISSIONER GREENBERG WAS REFERRING TO THOUGH, WAS IT SPECIFICALLY A CAMPAIGN FINANCE CASE, UM, WHERE IT WAS A LAY PERSON BRINGING A CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION, UH, AND IN THAT INSTANCE, THERE'S NO, THE REASON WE ACTUALLY HAD OUTSIDE COUNSEL ON THAT CASE WAS A VERY PECULIAR SITUATION.

DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE WEEDS OF IT.

BUT, UM, IT'S, IT KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW THOSE CASES OFTEN PROCEED WHERE LIKE, UH, TWO DASH SEVEN VIOLATION WHERE THERE'S AN ALLEGATION THAT CITY OFFICIAL OR CITY EMPLOYEES DONE SOMETHING WRONG.

THAT IS, THERE IS A TIP THAT GOES TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.

THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE KEEPS THAT TIP ANONYMOUS, AND THEN THE RESOURCES OF THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AS AN INDEPENDENT, UM, PART OF CITY GOVERNMENT PRESSES THE CASE LIKE A PROSECUTOR DOES AND HAS ALL THE TIME AND, UH, SALARIED EMPLOYEES TO LIKE DO THE INVESTIGATIONS AND THE INTERVIEWS TO COLLECT THE EVIDENCE BEFOREHAND, WHEREAS FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE CASES, UH, UNLESS, UNLESS IT IS A SOPHISTICATED COMPLAINANT, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, FULL-TIME OFFICE AND STAFF TO PRESS CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS.

SO THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT REALLY LOVES THE IDEA OF AN OMBUDSMAN, UM, OR A NAVIGATOR OF SORTS.

UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS THAT, THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY WELL FLESHED OUT THOUGH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY NOT JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO TWEAK CURRENT CITY CODE, BUT RECOMMENDATION TO WHAT TO DO A NEW ORDINANCE, SAY, THIS IS A NEW POSITION IN CITY GOVERNMENT, AND IT WORKS THIS WAY AND HERE'S THE PROCESS.

UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE IDEA OF A NON-BLACK PERSON OR SOME KIND OF LIKE CAMPAIGN, UH, OR LIKE CALL IT AN ETHICS NAVIGATOR, MAYBE.

UM, UH, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT IDEA THOUGH.

UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT I HAD, BUT IT'S ESCAPING ME, I'M GOING TO GO TO SECRETARY LEARNER.

UM, AND IF YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP COMMISSIONER STAMPED THE NEXT, YEAH.

I THINK, I THINK BETSY ADDRESSED A LOT OF THIS, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS, WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS.

AND I THINK ACTUALLY, LYNN MIGHT'VE SAID THIS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMMISSIONER LEVIN'S, BUT, UM, WE, WE DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT BRINGING A RESPONDENT UP HERE WITH A VERY UNCLEAR KIND OF CHARGE AGAINST THEM.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S THE REALITY.

SO I THINK IF THERE'S, IF WE'RE,

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IF WE, IF, IF PART OF THIS IS LIKE REFORMING OUR PROCESS, RIGHT.

I MEAN, IF, IF IT'S, UH, UM, UH PRE-SCREENING AND WE'RE JUST TALKING, TRYING TO GLEAN FACTS, UM, WHICH IS OUR PRE OUR PRE HEARING ANYWAY, WHERE THE RESPONDENT ISN'T REQUIRED TO COME, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS NOT BURDENSOME ON THEM, BUT WE WOULD THEN BE MAKING A DETERMINATION WHETHER TO GO FORWARD.

AND IF PART OF THAT DETERMINATION TO GO FORWARD IS US KIND OF GETTING TO WHAT THE SPECIFIC VIOLATION WILL BE.

THEN I IMAGINE THAT RESPONDENTS WILL ALL WANT TO COME TO THAT.

SO, UM, THAT'S ALL THAT WAS JUST, I MEAN, I WAS, I REALLY APPRECIATE LOUIS LIKE YOUR THINKING ON ALL OF THIS AND TRYING TO GET THERE, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL REALLY STRUGGLING WITH IT.

SO I THINK DONBASS IS THE BEST I'VE HEARD SO FAR.

I JUST WONDER WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT.

AND WHETHER IT COUNCIL'S GOING TO PAY FOR A NON-BINARY PERSON FOR CASES THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BE AGAINST THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.

IT CAN GO ON THE BALLOT, UH, HAD A, HAD A THOUGHT I'M GOING TO KEEP IT TO MYSELF ON THINGS ON THE BALLOT.

SO THE ONE THING THAT, UM, I I'M ACTUALLY, I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER STANTON, AND THEN I'LL HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS.

GO AHEAD.

SO THREE THINGS ON THE OMBUDSMAN ROLE, DO WE, CAN WE NOT MAKE BUDGET REQUESTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS TO BUDGET? AND SO REQUESTS THAT POSITION, THE NEXT BUDGET, IT'S QUITE A PROCESS.

AND I KNOW THIS FROM MY TENURE AT, UH, WITH ANOTHER COMMISSION, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE A VIABLE, AT LEAST IT'S WORTH A TRY.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE IT IN MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION BUDGET STUFF, BUT LYNN CARTER, GO AHEAD.

NOPE.

WE HAVE NOT REQUESTED ITEMS THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET BEFORE, BUT THIS COMMISSION CAN DO THAT.

AND I USUALLY GET AN, A NOTICE ABOUT IT AROUND FEBRUARY.

AND, UM, SO THAT CERTAINLY, AND, AND BY THE WAY, THAT ALSO MAY BE REQUIRED FOR THE SURVEY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE STAFFING TO DO THE SURVEY, UH, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, IT IS REALLY HARD TO FIND, TO HIRE, AND WE ARE SHORT HANDED IN THE LAW DEPARTMENT.

AND SO I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO, UH, HANDLE THE SURVEY.

UM, WHEN WE DO THE SURVEY ON OUR OWN, WE ALREADY HAVE IT.

I'M JUST SENDING OUT THE LINK TO THAT WILL, I WILL, CAN CHECK WITH CTM.

I MEAN, IF IT'S A MATTER OF YOU WANTING TO HANDLE THE RESULTS YOURSELF, I CAN SEE IF CTM CAN DIS-AGGREGATE MEANING SEPARATE OUT IF YOU'RE WANTING AN ANONYMITY, UH, SO THAT THE ANSWERS ARE NOT CONNECTED TO WHOEVER RESPONDED.

I THINK CTM HAS A PROGRAM TO DO THAT.

UM, BUT IN TERMS OF, UM, COMPILING ALL THE RESULTS AND PREPARING A REPORT, I, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.

YEAH, WE WOULD.

MAYBE JUST ON OUR TIME DO THAT WORK.

HOW, WHERE, HOW CAN WE ENSURE THAT THE BUDGET REQUEST TOPIC IS NOT LOST? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD AS A FUTURE AGENDA TOPIC, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DELEGATED TO ONE OF THE WORKING GROUPS? SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE DELEGATED TO A WORKING GROUP.

UM, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT LIVES ON THE AGENDA.

UM, NORMALLY, UH, NORMALLY I'LL BE JUST BEHIND THE CURTAIN, HOW AGENDAS ARE MADE.

LYNN WILL SAY THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST MEETING AND SHE WILL PREPARE A DRAFT AGENDA AND RUN IT BY ME.

AND I WILL LOOK AT IT.

AND, UH, ON OCCASION, I WILL SAY, LET'S CHANGE HOW THIS SOUNDS ON THE AGENDA.

OTHERWISE.

UM, LYNN IS THE KEEPER OF THE RECORDS.

SHE IS OUR LOYAL SCRIBE.

I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE LOST.

UM, SO, UH, BUT YES, I THINK IT CAN LIVE AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, SO THAT, UH, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO BUDGET TIME, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HAVING THE BUDGET PROCESS PROPERLY AGENDIZED.

AND IN THE MEANTIME, UM, I SEE, UH, IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN ALSO HAVE POTENTIALLY THE WORKING GROUP THAT DOES EVERYTHING, UH, KIND OF HAVE A DRAFT, LIKE PLAN FOR THE PROCEDURES AND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REVAMPING OR IMPROVING.

OKAY,

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I JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF IT.

AND THEN I HAVE TWO MORE.

UM, SO I'M, I'M READING THE COMPLAINT REQUIREMENT AND IT SAYS, WRITE THE COMPLAINT SHALL SPECIFY EACH CODE SECTION.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO ME HAVING A CHECK BOX AND HAVING THE PERSON CHECK AND A CHECK BOX FOR EACH SECTION AND HAVING CHECKED DOESN'T THAT FULFILL THAT REQUIREMENT OF SPECIFYING EACH SECTION.

IT COULD.

AND THE, SO HERE'S ONE THOUGHT THAT I HAVE ON THE CHECKBOX IS YOU CAN HAVE A POTENTIALLY A LIST UPENDED TO THE COMPLAINT FORM THAT IS 10 BOXES OF MAYBE LIKE THE MOST COMMON AND OBVIOUS, LIKE CLEARLY STATED THESE ARE VIOLATIONS IN THE CODE AND THEN HAVE A BLANK THAT SAYS IF YOURS OTHER, YEAH, WE DON'T WANT IT FOR CLOTHES.

SOMEONE SAYING, THIS IS A THING THAT WAS VIOLATED.

IT'S NOT UNDER CHECKBOX, PLEASE SPECIFY RIGHT.

OR OTHER PLEASE SPECIFY.

BUT, UH, THE HESITATION THAT I HAVE THERE IS THAT THERE IS, UM, IT'S NOT, UH, THERE IT'S, THERE'S NOT A HARD NUMBER FOR HOW MANY VIOLATIONS WE HAVE JURISDICTION OVER.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD VIOLATE THIS ONE SECTION.

UM, AND THERE ARE, UH, POTENTIALLY THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T NORMALLY THINK OF.

IT'S A VIOLATION THAT, LIKE, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU COULD VIOLATE THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THE DOOR, UH, RIGHT.

UH, TO SOME, LET'S CALL THEM A THOUGHTFUL, UH, COMPLAINANT THAT FINDS A VIOLATION THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT TO A CHECKBOX.

I WOULD AGREE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE ENTIRE CODE, IF IT'S AN APPENDIX OR KIND OF THINK OF IT AS AN IRS WORKSHEET, RIGHT.

HERE'S A WORKSHEET AND SEPARATE, AND THEN YOU CAN TRANSFER THE SECTION NUMBERS.

I MEAN, THAT THEN KNOW THAT OPENS UP ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS, OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, HUMAN ERROR AND TRANS AND, AND TRANSLATING AND WRITING IT AND TRYING TO MAKE THE FORM VERY EASY.

BUT THE POINT IS WHY LIMIT TO, I MEAN, IF EVERYTHING, ALL THE, ALL THE SECTIONS THAT IS WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION HABIT THERE AND A CHECKBOX FOR EACH ONE.

SO THERE'S NOT A, SO W WE DON'T DECIDE FOR THE PERSON, WHAT ARE THE MOST COMMON ONES, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO, UM, I DON'T WANT TO INTRODUCE ANY BIAS ON OUR PART AT ALL.

IT SHOULD BE A COMPLETELY OPEN FORM WHERE IT'S HERE, HERE IS THE CODE AND IT'S ENTIRETY, EXCEPT THERE IS A CHECKBOX FOR EACH SECTION.

AND AS YOU READ IT THROUGH AND TRY TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT SECTION IS SAYING, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT'S BEEN VIOLATED, YOU CHECK, YOU CHECK ALL THAT, APPLY.

I, THE, THE HESITATION THAT I HAVE WITH A CHECKBOX THAT IS SO LIKE WE HAVE ONE OF OUR HANDOUTS IS TWO DASH TWO.

UM, AND IT IS A 25 PAGE DOCUMENT, UM, RIGHT.

OF 65 SECTIONS, NOT COUNTING THE SUBSECTIONS AND SUBDIVISIONS.

UM, SO IT, AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER HESITATION I HAVE WITH PUTTING CHECK BOXES NEXT TO EVERY ENTRY AS WELL IS THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT LIKE THE, THE ENTIRETY OF CHAPTER TWO DASH TWO IS WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION, BUT THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT CANNOT BE VIOLATED, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DEFINITION OF A RUNOFF ELECTION, HOW DOES ONE VIOLATE THE DEFINITION OF A RUNOFF ELECTION? UM, AND SO, BUT THERE ARE GRAY AREAS IN THE CODE WHERE LIKE, MAYBE YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY FIND A WAY TO VIOLATE THIS, UM, INTREPID CODE VIOLATOR.

UH, SO THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE IS I THINK IN ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT I WAS WORKING ON AND THAT I HAD CIRCULATED WITH THE WORKING GROUP WAS HAVING AN APPENDIX THAT IS SIMPLY A KIND OF, HERE'S THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU COULD PUT IN THIS BOX, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO SAY, HERE'S A CHECKLIST OF LIKE, UM, YEAH, IT WOULD BE A CHECKLIST THAT WOULD BE VERY LONG IF I TRIED TO AGREE.

ON THE FORM, BUT SO DID THEY HA NOT HAVE IT IN THE CODE TO ACTUALLY SAY YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY, RIGHT.

I AGREE.

COMMISSIONER, DID YOU HAVE ONE OTHER AND SOLVE THIS TONIGHT AND THAT WE MOVE IT BACK TO THE WORKING GROUP AND GO ONTO THE NEXT AGENDA? YES.

AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT THIS WAS, I WAS BASICALLY BEGGING FOR GOOD INPUT, UM, AND I'VE GOTTEN IT AND I APPRECIATE IT, BUT YOU HAD ANOTHER THING YOU WANTED TO OFFER.

WELL, THE LAST THING IS, AND THIS WILL DEFER TO THE WORKING GROUP AS WELL, BUT HOW, HOW ARE OTHER CITIES HANDLING THIS? I THOUGHT SAN ANTONIO DIDN'T REQUIRE IT

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BUT SAN ANTONIO IS UNIQUE, BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER.

AND WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE NOTICE SENT TO, UM, UH, RESPONDENT DOES HAVE THE SECTION OF CODE.

SO THE DUE PROCESS IS HANDLED CORRECTLY, RIGHT? THAT'S YEAH.

UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO GRAPPLE THERE.

AND I, I DO THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS, WHERE WE, WE APPROPRIATELY BALANCE THE LAY COMPLAINANTS ACCESS TO RE-ADDRESS THEIR GRIEVANCES AND THE FAIR NOTICE AND DUE PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE AFFORDED TO SOMEBODY WHO'S THAT ON THE RECEIVING END.

I THINK THERE'S A WAY IT'S TURNED OUT TO BE TRICKIER THAN WE INITIALLY THOUGHT, BUT THERE'S A WAY, AND IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT ADDRESSING THE GRIEVANCE OF SOMEONE MAKING A COMPLAINT.

IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE CODE IS IT HERE TO RIGHT, RIGHT.

BECAUSE YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

TWO DASH TWO IS ENFORCED BY CITIZENS.

UH, BY AND LARGE, THERE ARE CRIMINAL THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN HERE, BUT FOR THE RUN OF THE MILL, YOU DIDN'T FILE A REPORT ON TIME.

AND SO PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO IS FUNDING THIS CAMPAIGN, OR YOU NEVER FILED.

THAT IS, THAT'S ENFORCED BY PEOPLE BRINGING THOSE COMPLAINTS.

THERE'S NO PROCESS, THERE'S NO CAMPAIGN FINANCE PROSECUTOR, BUT RIGHT.

FOR THE CIVIL THINGS HERE, UM, UNLESS WE REFER IT UNLESS WE REFER A CRIMINAL.

UH, YEAH.

JUST SAYING THAT THIS EFFORT IS, IS AN EXAMPLE, THOUGH, I THINK OF OUR EFFORTS TO, ON EQUITY AND ACCESS.

SO I JUST, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT CAN FEED IT BACK INTO KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

UM, WHICH I, I ACTUALLY JUST, IT WAS OUR LAST AGENDA, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, I ACTUALLY DO THINK THERE'S A WAY TO TALK TO SOMEBODY IN MEDIA ABOUT THIS, THAT TO COMMISSIONER DAN BERG'S POINT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T RESPOND BEFORE TO THAT, BUT I, I THINK THAT THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT.

AND, UM, WE CAN, WE JUST HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TALK IT OUT AND PLAN FOR IT.

UM, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE D EVERYTHING WORKING GROUP, THE KITCHEN SINK WORKING GROUP? UM, OKAY.

WELL, UH, WE WILL GET BACK TO IT IN OUR WORKING GROUP AND WE WILL GET ON WITH OUR AGENDA.

I THINK THE LAST THING THAT WE HAVE

[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: APRIL 14, 2021, JULY 14, 2021, and SEPTEMBER 22, 2021 COMMISSION MEETINGS]

IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UM, SO WE HAVE THREE MINUTES THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED PRIOR TO OUR MEETING.

THEY ARE JULY, APRIL, JULY, AND SEPTEMBER MEETINGS.

UM, ANY, ANY, HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE MINUTES, THOUGHT ABOUT THE MINUTES.

OH, SURE.

OH YEAH.

LOVE ME SOME PARLIAMENTARY HANDOUTS.

I'M HANDING OUT, UH, WHAT CAME FROM THE REALLY, I GOT BROUGHT MY ROBERT'S RULES JUST IN CASE.

OH, SORRY.

YOU CAN, AS WELL.

UH, THE, THE MOTION CHEAT SHEET IS PARTICULARLY USEFUL.

UM, SO BACK TO THE MINUTES MINUTES, UH, WE COULD ADOPT THEM ALL IN ONE MOTION.

WE CAN ADOPT THEM SEPARATELY.

UM, I'M HERE FOR A MOTION.

I SEE COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK.

THAT IS THE MOTION SURE.

AND AGAIN, I, I PUT MUCH FAITH IN MY, AND OUR LOYAL SCRIBES.

UM, UH, I THINK I MIGHT'VE HEARD COMMISSIONER DAN BERG WITH A SECOND.

BUT WE COULDN'T HEAR THAT.

OH, THE, SO, YEP.

I DIDN'T EVEN CATCH THAT.

SO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK WAS TO APPROVE ALL THREE MINUTES IN ONE MOTION, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DANBURG FROM AT HOME.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO ASK ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HANDS AND SAY AYE.

TO APPROVE ALL THREE MINUTES.

SO IT'S THE MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED DISCUSSION.

I READ THE ROOM WRONG.

GO AHEAD.

DISCUSSION.

DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

IS THAT, WHAT WAS THE MOTION TO APPROVE? ALL THREE MINUTES.

I REQUEST THAT WE NOT APPROACH IT THAT WAY, JUST BECAUSE FOR THE APRIL MINUTES I WAS NOT ON BOARD.

AND SO I WOULD, UM, ABSTAINED FROM THAT.

SO JUST REQUEST THAT WE DO IT ONE BY ONE, OR WE CAN JUST NOTE THAT YOU ARE, YEAH.

YOU CAN MAKE A NOTE THAT YOU'RE ABSTAINING FROM THE APRIL BECAUSE

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YOU WERE NOT PRESENT.

GOTCHA.

SO IF WE, IF WE DO IT AS ONE MOTION, IT'D BE ABSTAINING FROM, OH, OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

OH YEAH.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE A FORUM.

NOPE.

FAIR ENOUGH.

SO LET'S, UH, HOW ABOUT WE DO IT ONE AT A TIME, AND THEN IF WE DO THAT, THEN WE'RE GONNA, UH, UH, HAVE MAYBE TABLE THE MOTION.

HOW DO WE DO THAT? SPEAKING OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, I MOVE, YES.

WE APPROVED THE MINUTES FROM APRIL THE 14TH, 2021 SECOND.

BUT DON'T, YOU HAVE TO RETRACT YOUR RE YOUR PREVIOUS.

LET'S MAKE A SUBSTITUTE.

A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

I WILL CONSIDER THAT AS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

AND, UH, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A SECOND THAT TECHNICALLY.

UM, SO WE'VE GOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO, INSTEAD OF ADOPTING ALL THREE MINUTES, UM, AT THE SAME TIME WITH ONE MOTION TO SEPARATELY ADOPT EACH ONE.

AND I THINK WE'RE DOING THE APRIL ONE FIRST, CORRECT? THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS TO ADOPT THE APRIL MINUTES.

YEP.

SO DISCUSSION ON YES.

MOVED ANY DISCUSSIONS KNOW JUST IN CASE WE NEEDED THAT SECOND.

WE GOT IT.

AND ANY DISCUSSION ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION, SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, AND RAISE YOUR HANDS.

DISCUSSION MISUNDERSTANDING.

I'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, A UNANIMOUS FOR THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

NOW WE'RE ON THE MAIN MOTION, WHICH IS THE ADOPTION OF THE APRIL MINUTES.

ANY DISCUSSION ON ADOPTION OF THE APRIL? MITCH'S THIS IS THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FROM THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT WAS ADOPTED ALL THREE IN ONE, WE JUST DID THAT.

NO, WE JUST, WE JUST MOVED.

WE JUST SUBSTITUTED THE MOTION.

THAT WAS THAT.

SO THIS IS THE VOTE ON THE APRIL MINUTES, AND THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THERE MIGHT BE AN ABSTENTION.

SO I WILL ASK FOR THE EYES TO ADOPT THE APRIL MINUTES.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND I'LL SAY THEM AS I SEE THEM ON ADOPTION OF THE APRIL MINUTES, THE MOTION TO ADOPT.

I SEE DAN BERG, MCCORMICK, GREENBERG, KALE, SOBER ON LEARNER, AND ANY NAYS, THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES CALLING FOR THE NAYS, SEEING NONE, ANY ABSTENTIONS, LET'S SEE, COMMISSIONER STANTON AND COMMISSIONER TENDER, YUCA ABSTAINING.

UM, AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT TWO MINUTES.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE JULY MINUTES? CAN WE COMBINE THE JEW? IS THERE JULY AND SEPTEMBER? DOES ANYONE ORALLY MAKE THAT MOTION? I'M JUST GONNA DO A QUICK, QUICK GLANCE AROUND AND WHENEVER PROBLEM WITH COMBINING JULY AND SEPTEMBER MINUTES INTO ONE MOTION GOING ONCE GOING TWICE, I'M READY FOR A MOTION BECAUSE THE SECRETARY LEARNER OKAY.

THAT IS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, YES.

REQUESTING, UM, CORRECTION ON THE JULY 14TH MINUTES CORRECTING THE SPELLING OF MY FIRST NAME.

OH, IT HAS AN EXTRA E CORRECT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

JUST THE SECOND E.

SO IT SHOULD BE N G U Y E N.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, I THINK, UH, LYNN WE'LL MAKE THAT CORRECTION.

I SEE HER MAKING THAT NOTE RIGHT NOW, SO THAT WILL BE CORRECTED.

ITEMS, THINGS WE WANT TO ADD, WE'VE GOT TO WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING OURSELVES FULL PLATES AT THESE MEETINGS, BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED YET TONIGHT THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IS INCLUDED, BY ALL MEANS, YOU CAN ALSO, UH, REACH OUT TO, TO LYNN WHO CAN REACH OUT TO ME WHERE YOU COULD REACH OUT TO ME A ONE-ON-ONE WE WON'T BREAK QUORUM THAT WAY.

WE CAN ON SUBSTANCE, WE CAN STILL VOTE ON THE SUBSTANCE.

SO I SEE NO OBJECTION TO MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE.

I'M GOING TO CALL FOR THE EYES.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

I SEE.

I'M JUST GOING TO GO AROUND THE ROOM.

STANTON LEARNER, SOBER ON KALE, GREENBURG, MCCORMICK DANBURG AND TENA YUCA AS EYES, MEANING IT'S UNANIMOUS ZERO NATHAN ABSTENTIONS.

SO WE HAVE MINUTES FOR JULY, SEPTEMBER ADOPTED WITH THAT MOTION, WITH THE CORRECTION THAT WILL BE MADE.

SO, UH, FUTURE AGENDA

[4. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]

IF YOU WANT TO SEE, SHOOT ME AN EMAIL WITH SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE AGENDA, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE IT THAT WAY.

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SO THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE'VE NOTED THROUGHOUT THE MEETING, THANK YOU.

AND AGAIN, THE SCRIBE OF THE ERC, THE LAWYER, THE SCRIBE, THE, THE, EVERYTHING, UH, WE HAVE, UM, POSSIBLE VIDEO, UH, EXPLAINING THE ERC FUNCTIONS, UH, IN SORT OF IN THE SAME SPIRIT AS THE MEDIA PIECE, UH, AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT GETTING ANSWERS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE COULD BE AN INTERN THAT WORKS WITH THE ERC.

UM, THE SECOND ONE WAS A POSSIBLE INTERN WHO COULD HELP WITH SOME OF THESE TASKS THAT THE ERC IS KIND OF ASKING LIKE, MAN, YOU KNOW, HAD A CONVERSATION.

WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE TOPIC OF THE BUDGET REQUEST? IS THAT GOING TO BECOME OLD BUSINESS FOR THE NEXT AGENDA OR WHAT? NO.

SO THIS IS, THESE ARE AGENDA ITEMS. I MEAN THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS IS NORMALLY, I THINK WHAT WE MAKE SURE IS ON THE NEXT AGENDA, UM, AS NEW BUSINESS, AS NEW BUSINESS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE TOPICS OF LIKE THE BUDGET REQUEST THAT IS GOING TO BE WHERE YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THAT AS AN OLD BUSINESS ITEM AT THE NEXT MEETING IS THAT THESE WERE, SO THE THINGS THAT WE JUST, I JUST KIND OF MENTIONED AS NOTES THAT WE TOOK, THOSE WOULD BE NEW BUSINESS ITEMS AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

SO THE, I, THE IDEA OF HAVING AN INTERN HELP WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSION'S TASKS OR REQUESTS AND THE IDEA OF HAVING A VIDEO TO ACCOMPANY THE MEDIA PIECE, THAT EXPLAINS WHAT WE DO.

THOSE ARE GOING TO BE NEW ITEMS IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, OLD BUSINESS.

UM, SINCE THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE THE FIRST TIMES WHERE GEN DIES TO REALLY DIG INTO VET STUFF AND TALK ABOUT IT.

UM, SO THE BUDGET, UH, ISSUE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WILL BE NEW BUSINESS AT A FUTURE MEETING.

IF, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS PART OF THE NEW BUSINESS AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE READY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

YOU COULD INCLUDE IT.

UM, I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE DEVELOP THE IDEA A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, AND IF IN THE COURSE OF LIKE OUR WORKING GROUPS WORK, WE COME UP WITH LIKE A FULL FLEDGED PROPOSAL.

THAT'S READY FOR PRESENTATION AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

THEN THE FRIDAY BEFORE THAT MEETING, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE SURE IT GETS ON THE AGENDA, BUT THIS IS FOR, THIS IS FOR THE OTHER, OTHER STUFF, OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE GET ADDRESSED AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO I, I STILL HAVE THE CONCERN OF LOSING SIGHT OF THE TOPIC IF IT DOESN'T APPEAR SOMEWHERE ON THE AGENDA, WHICHEVER, SO DO WE HAVE A MECHANISM FOR A RUNNING LIST OF TOPICS, WHETHER WE GET TO IT OR NOT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THESE TWO TOPICS, WHICH IS THE, THE BUDGET REQUESTS.

AND ALSO THE OTHER ONE WAS, UM, ADDING A STATEMENT TO THE AGENDA.

CAUSE THAT ACTUALLY, THAT ACTUALLY APPEARED THAT WAS A NEW FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE MET? SO IT WAS REFERENCED.

SO I GUESS I'M SEEING TOPICS LIKE THEY SHOULD MOVE UP.

THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S MY JOB TO KIND OF SET THE AGENDA.

UM, THERE, THERE, THE MECHANISM HERE, IF TWO COMMISSIONERS BOTH SAY, YES, LET'S HAVE THIS ON NEXT MEETING'S AGENDA RIGHT AWAY.

THEN IT GOES ON THE AGENDA.

I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

UM, BUT GENERALLY LIKE IF I WANTED, UH, OUR AGENDA IN NOVEMBER TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE US TALK ABOUT, UH, DOGS AND CATS AND HAVE A THOROUGH DEBATE ABOUT IT, UM, I HAVE, UH, MAYBE IT WOULD BE A RESPONSIBLE, BUT TECHNICALLY THE POWER TO LIKE PUT AN ITEM LIKE THAT ON THE AGENDA.

HAVE, IF WE DON'T MAKE MUCH PROGRESS, IT CAN BE, WE DIDN'T MEET.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE CHANCE TO BASICALLY, YEAH, WELL GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

UH, MS. CARTER, ACTUALLY, IT HAS TO BE POSTED 72 HOURS AHEAD OF TIME.

SO THE NEXT MEETING IS NOVEMBER 10TH.

SO IF YOU WANT SOMETHING ADDED, JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BY THE FIFTH, LET ME REALLY, UM, I NEVER MEMBER THIRD OR FOURTH.

UM, THEN IT HAS TO BE POSTED ON THE AFTERNOON OF NOVEMBER 5TH, THE AGENDA.

UM, AND WE CAN'T CHANGE IT AFTER THAT.

SO CHAIR, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE THEN TO HAVE A GENERIC STATEMENT, TOPICS SUCH AS STATUS UPDATE ON THIS TOPIC? AND THAT WAY, IF WE DON'T

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THERE'S NOT, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PROGRESS, BUT AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND SAID, OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE, RIGHT? I'M NOT SAYING, OH, THIS COMMISSION, BUT IT'S VERY EASILY DONE WHERE WE DISCUSS THINGS.

OH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT WE DON'T TRACK IT.

IT GETS LOST.

AND THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, DIDN'T WE DISCUSS THAT AT ONE TIME? WHAT DID WE, WHAT DID WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO? RIGHT.

SO I, SO I AM HAPPY TO HAVE AS OLD BUSINESS, UM, POTENTIALLY REVIEW OF, UH, THE STATEMENT OR AMENDING THE AGENDA EASY, UM, AND MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.

THE OTHER, UM, WAS THE BUDGET BUDGET PROCESS.

UH, I THINK LET'S DO THIS.

LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT AGENDA, AND WE'LL SAY THIS ON THE RECORD FOR THOSE LISTENING AT HOME, UH, THE NEXT AGENDA, UH, REFLECTS THAT THE WORKING GROUP ON SANCTIONS PROCESS AND KITCHEN SINK, UM, INCLUDES IN ITS DESCRIPTION, UH, POTENTIAL, UM, FOR, UH, AN OMBUDSMAN OMBUDS PERSON OF SOME KIND.

SO COOL.

SO WE HAVE IT MOVING FORWARD.

ANY, YES.

I FEEL LIKE THIS BRENTON'S, IT'S CALLED OTHER DUTIES AS ASSIGNED.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

WELL, IF THERE'S NO OTHER FUTURE ITEMS OR BUSINESS ANNOUNCEMENTS, WELL, YES, WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE ANY MORE FOR THAT.

WE CAN JUST, WE CAN JUST ADJOURN AND LET ME, CAN WE PUT THESE HANDY-DANDY LITTLE THINGS IN THE NOTEBOOKS? SO WE HAVE IT WHEN WE'RE AT OUR MEETINGS.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME BRIEFLY JUST SAY THAT, UH, THIS HAS BEEN THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION.

IT IS 8:09 PM.

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 27TH.

THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.