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SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER TODAY'S CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON NOVEMBER 16TH, 2021.

UH, THE TIME IS NINE 16.

WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT, UH, COLLEAGUES, A WORK SESSION TODAY,

[A. Pre-Selected Agenda Items]

UH, THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD START WITH, UH, PULLED ITEMS, GET THROUGH THOSE.

UH, AND THEN, UH, SINCE IT'S NOT SET FOR US ALSO TO TALK ABOUT, UH, ON THURSDAY, THAT WE WOULD TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO, UH, UH, ADDRESS THE, KIND OF THE COUNCIL MEETING EFFICIENCY ISSUE THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND, AND MADE SURE WAS ON OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.

IF WE HAVE TIME BEFORE NOON, WE'LL START THE STORM PRESENTATION.

UH, THE ANTICIPATION IS THAT, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL RUN THROUGH QUESTIONS KIND OF LIKE AT A CIRCULAR WAY SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE, UH, MANAGER, UH, FOR, FOR ME, I REALLY LIKE TO HEAR KIND OF PROSPECTIVELY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE NOW DOING TO ENSURE THAT THIS, IF IT WAS A WINTER STORM TOMORROW, WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT TOMORROW.

AND I'D LIKE TO GET A BETTER FEEL FOR THAT.

AND I HAVE WATCHING THE, THE TAPE SO FAR, BUT HOW DO THE STORM STAFF, UH, FIGURING A AN HOUR AND A HALF, TWO HOURS ON THAT TAKING A LUNCH BREAK BETWEEN 12 AND ONE COMING BACK AT ONE, FINISHING THE STORM, DOING THE AUSTIN, UH, ENERGY, UH, MEETING, UH, BOY, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ON THAT AGENDA TO TRY TO GET THEM TO KIND OF BLOW THROUGH IT AS BEST THEY CAN, BUT TO BE SO INFORMATIVE AND THEN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, WE DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THE CLERK, THE OTHER TWO ITEMS I THINK ARE JUST REPORTING TO US, NOT REAL ACTION ITEMS. I THINK WE CAN MOVE THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY.

THAT GETS US BACK OUT HAVING DONE THAT FOR THE, FOR THE FINAL TWO PRESENTATIONS, WE HAVE A HARD STOP AT FIVE, UH, BECAUSE WE LOSE THE CAPACITY OR LOSE THE ROOM AND WE LOSE THE CAPACITY TO GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

SO IF THAT'S OKAY, WE'LL PROCEED THAT WAY.

UH, AND, UH, THAT MEANS THAT, UH, AND, AND ALICE SAID, UH, UH, TEXTED ME THAT SHE, UH, IS, IS OUR, THE WAY, AND THIS URGE US TO, TO, TO START IN HER, UH, ABSENCE, UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THE TWO ITEMS THAT SHE, THAT WE HAVE PULLED IS SHE'S PULLED THOSE ITEMS. UM, KATHY, DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE THEM

[D1. Council discussion regarding Council meeting procedures.]

THE, THE, THE KIND OF THE MEETING EFFICIENCY DEAL? LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT JUST KIND OF, AS WE TRANSITIONED BACK FROM, FROM WHOLLY VIRTUAL INTO THE VIRTUAL SLASH IN-PERSON HYBRID, I WANTED TO JUST BE VERY, VERY INTENTIONAL AND KIND OF TALK THROUGH HOW WE'RE HANDLING SPEAKERS.

UM, BOTH THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP ONLINE, BUT THOSE WHO ARE, ARE HERE IN PERSON.

AND, AND I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PROCLAMATION.

SO THE PROCLAMATIONS HAVE NOW SWITCHED TO THURSDAY MORNINGS AT NINE 30.

AND I, I WASN'T, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHETHER THAT'S A TEMPORARY FIX OR IF THAT'S THE INTENTIONAL.

AND I WANTED, I WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AMONG OUR DIOCESE ABOUT WHETHER THAT'S THE RIGHT FIT.

I THINK THAT SOME OF THE APPEAL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, UM, EXCITEMENT AND APPEAL FOR PEOPLE WAS COMING DOWN AND BEING PART OF THE COUNCIL MEETING AND HAVING IT IN THIS SPACE.

UM, IT MAKES IT REALLY CHALLENGING IN THOSE SMALLER SPACES FOR MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE.

AND SO YOU'RE REALLY JUST AN AUDIENCE NOW OF THOSE WHO ARE RECEIVING THE PROCLAMATION AND THOSE WHO ARE DELIVERING IT IN A WAY THAT'S NOT, THAT'S JUST VERY DIFFERENT.

SO, I MEAN, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE BACK TO ITS REGULAR TIME AND PLACE, BUT WANTED TO, AGAIN, WANTED TO ENGAGE IN THAT CONVERSATION HERE WITH Y'ALL.

YEAH, I'M NOT.

AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT IT, THAT IT MOVED THAT WAY IN PART BECAUSE OF THE COVID RESPONSE.

AND I THINK THAT WAS INITIALLY, WE JUST WEREN'T DOING IT AT ALL, AND THAT DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT.

SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING I KNOW THAT THEY RECORDED AND IT PLAYS, AND THERE'S A VIDEO THAT, THAT ORGANIZATIONS MAKE, UH, MAKE USE OF, UH, I'M AMENABLE FOR IT BEING DIFFERENT TIMES, THE DOING IT IN THE EVENING AS WE'VE BEEN RUNNING OUR MEETINGS, WE'VE BEEN HAVING MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ENDING SOMETIMES EARLIER THAN, THAN, THAN FIVE HAD BY SETTING IT ON THE AGENDA AND HAVING PEOPLE COME THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE'D BE COMING BACK JUST TO DO THE PROCLAMATION WORK, WHICH IS CERTAINLY ALLOWABLE TO, FOR PEOPLE THAT WOULD WANT TO COME BACK AND DO THAT.

BUT I DON'T HAVE A STRONG

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FEELING ANYWAY ON IT, BUT I THINK THAT JUST THE EVOLUTION OF IT, YES, CATS OVER KELLY.

I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ON THURSDAY START AT 10, WOULD IT BE AMENABLE TO MAYBE START AT NINE ON COUNCIL WORK DAYS TO ALLOW FOR EXTRA SPACE TO DO THOSE PROCLAMATIONS? WE COULD, IF I WAS THE RULE OF THE COUNCIL, I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THAT HOUR IN THE MORNING FOR A LAST MINUTE KIND OF WORK IN PREPARATION FOR THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE SHAKING THEIR HEAD, NO, ON THE DESK, BUT HEY, YOU KNOW, ONE IN 10, ONE FOR A REASON I GET IT IS THIS IS, THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE WE'RE ALLOWED TO THROW OUT IDEAS.

YEAH.

IT'S GOT SWIMMING POOL.

I THINK THE POINT THERE ABOUT THE 10:00 AM IS THAT IT'S NOT US 11, THAT THAT 10:00 AM START TIME IS ABOUT, IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE STAFF WHO ARE SUPPORTING THE MEETING AND ORGANIZING THEMSELVES AND GETTING THE MEETING ORGANIZED IF THAT'S A QUESTION THAT RECURS REGULARLY.

SO, UM, YEAH, IT, IT, IT REALLY ISN'T ABOUT US.

IT'S ABOUT THE STAFF.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE PROCLAMATION? UM, I, UH, I ADMIT THAT I REALLY DID LIKE THAT NICE BREAK THAT WE HAD AT DINNER TIME AND, UH, KIND OF THE, THE PROTOCOLS AND THE CELEBRATION AND THE CEREMONY THAT WENT AROUND IT.

AND I WOULD BE PLEASED TO RETURN TO THAT, TO THAT APPROACH.

I ALSO WONDER IF THERE MIGHT BE SOME BENEFIT TO DOING THEM IN CHAMBERS, WHETHER WE DECIDE MORNING OR AFTERNOON, BUT I ALSO MISS THE MUSIC.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MUSICIANS WHO WOULD LOVE TO COME AND PLAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE CAN BRING THAT BACK, BUT I MISS IT.

I LIKE THAT TRADITION TOO.

DO WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SCHEDULE WE HAD BEFORE WITH MUSIC AND PROCLAMATIONS RUNNING IT THE WAY THAT WE BASICALLY HAD RUN IT BEFORE MAYER, CAN YOU JUST GO OVER WHAT IT USED TO BE LIKE? JUST SO THAT WE, UH, SO, UM, UH, WE, UH, DURING THE, THE, THE DINNER BREAK, UM, AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN PROCLAMATIONS BECAUSE IT WAS A DINNER BREAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT ME, UH, DURING DINNER BREAK, UH, WE, UM, UH, INVITE A, UH, UH, ARTISTS FROM THE COMMUNITY FROM DIFFERENT GENRES AND THEY COME IN AND PLAY KIND OF A, UH, MUSIC INTERLUDE, A SONG OR TWO IT'S RELATIVELY SHORT, BUT IT DOES GIVE PEOPLE SOME, UH, VISIBILITY, BUT IT ALSO, WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME, SOME, UH, WELL-KNOWN ARTISTS PERFORM JUST A WAY TO BRING MUSIC INTO THE CHAMBER WHEN THE MUSIC IS DONE, THEY, THEY CLEAR THE STAGE HERE QUICKLY, AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE THEN INTO PROCLAMATION.

UH, AND, UM, UH, IT'S, DOESN'T STOP THE PRACTICE OF BEING ABLE TO DELIVER PROCLAMATIONS INDEPENDENT OF THOSE MEETINGS OR DELIVER THEM AT MEETINGS.

UH, BUT SOME PROCLAMATIONS, UH, USUALLY TWO TO FIVE PROCLAMATIONS, UH, WE WOULD DO FROM THE, UH, PODIUM, UH, AND PEOPLE WOULD SOMETIMES INVITE OTHERS TO COME IN AND, AND WATCH.

SO IT HAPPENS DURING THE LUNCH BREAK.

UH, USUALLY THE LUNCH BREAK THEN GOES FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, UH, AND THE FIRST, UH, HALF AN HOUR TO 40 MINUTES OF IT, UH, FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE HERE, UH, A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE RETIRING TO DO WORK AND TO DO OTHER KINDS OF THINGS, BUT THOSE THAT WANT TO BE HERE CAN BE HERE FOR THE MUSIC AND THE PROCLAMATIONS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO IF THAT'S THE WILL A MANAGER, IS THAT OKAY IF WE CAN DO THAT? UH, I KNOW IT TAKES TIME TO KIND OF SET THAT UP AND SCHEDULE THAT.

SO, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT AS THIS RARELY HAPPENS TO HAVE PAM AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT, UH, IF, IF THEIR CLERK'S OFFICE COULD, UH, GET US BACK TO THAT PRACTICE.

OKAY.

ARE THERE ISSUES THAT YOU THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO TALK ABOUT? UH, YOU HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT GROUPING SPEAKERS, UM, THE WAY THAT IT'S HAPPENING NOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE SIGNING UP, WE TAKE THE IN ROOM SPEAKERS FIRST THAT WE TAKE THE PEOPLE THAT CALLED IN, UH, AND, AND WE'LL CONTINUE.

THE PRACTICE THAT WAS SET UP FOR US LAST WEEK DID THAT WE DID IN ZONING, BUT DID NOT, UH, CARRY OVER TO, I DIDN'T PICK UP ON IT FOR THE FIRST PART, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAD A LIST THAT BROKEN OUT BY NUMBERS.

AND I DIDN'T FOLLOW THAT.

SO WE'LL CALL THE SPEAKERS IN GROUPS, UH, BY THE MATTER THAT THEY'VE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON.

YEAH.

AND I THINK, I THINK FROM THE TIME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THIS CONVERSATION HERE AT WORK SESSION TO NOW, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF RIGHTED ITSELF A BIT.

UM, I'M

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SORRY.

I'M STILL HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE FOLLOWING YOU THOUGH.

SO WHEN, SO LET'S, LET'S KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE DAY.

IF WE COULD, WHEN WE TAKE UP THE CONSENT AGENDA, YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE, UM, SO WE PULL, SAY WE HAVE SPEAKERS WHO ARE MORE THAN TWO SPEAKERS ON A CONSENTED AGENDA ITEM, AND THEY'VE CALLED IN, ARE THEY GOING TO COME UP IN THE SAME WAY? I THINK WHERE IT GETS CONFUSING IS LIKE, HOW ARE WE, HOW ARE WE FALLING BACK ON OUR FORMER PROCESS WITH THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS? SO IN ORDINARY PRACTICE, WE WOULD PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THEN WE WOULD TAKE UP SAY NUMBER NINE, BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN PULLED BY SPEAKERS.

THOSE, THOSE TWO SPEAKERS ARE BOTH ONLINE.

DO THEY GET TO SPEAK AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE DAY BEFORE WE PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA? OR DO WE HEAR FROM THEM WHEN WE TAKE UP ITEM NINE AFTER WE PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE THEM UP IN THE MORNING AS WE HAVE BEEN, UH, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SHOW UP AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK.

AND THEN TO LEAVE.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME SPEAKERS THAT LIKE TO SPEAK WHEN THE ITEM JUST COMES UP.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO'VE SAID THAT THEY LIKED BEING ABLE TO SPEAK IN THE MORNING.

CAUSE THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE ALL DAY.

AND SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAT HERE FOR NINE, 10 HOURS WAITING TO SPEAK, WHICH BECOMES ITS OWN KIND OF PROHIBITIVE THING.

AND WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW EXACTLY WHEN WE CALL THE CONSENT SPEAKERS.

WHAT'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY END UP ON CONSENT OR NOT END UP ON CONSENT.

I MEAN, WE, WE PULL THINGS, BUT OFTENTIMES WE'LL PULL THINGS JUST BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.

SO, UH, ABSENT, UH, THE ROLE OF THE COUNCIL BEING DIFFERENTLY, I WOULD KEEP THAT PART THE SAME.

I WOULD INVITE PEOPLE TO SPEAK IN THE MORNING, UM, UH, HAVE THE MORNING CALL FOR SPEAKERS, THEN HAVE THE AFTERNOON CALL FOR ZONING.

SORRY.

I'M STILL NOT FALLING.

SO I, I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU.

I MEAN, IF PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK, GET IT DONE WITH AND LEAVE, THEY GET TO DO THAT.

WHETHER THEY'RE ON THE PHONE OR HERE IN PERSON, THEY CAN SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY AND LEAVE IF THEIR PREFERENCE IS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

WHEN, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SAY IT CONTINUES TO BE, I THINK MORE IMPACTFUL IF PEOPLE SPEAK AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING THE ITEM, BECAUSE THEN IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN ASK THEM.

BUT ALSO IT JUST, IT'S VERY, I THINK, I MEAN, AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, I WOULD PREFER ALWAYS TO SPEAK AT THE TIME AT THE TIME THAT'S HAPPENING.

BUT I, I GET THAT.

I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT OPTION TO HAVE FOR PEOPLE WHO, WHO DON'T WANT TO WAIT AND WHATNOT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND LEAVE, BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE WHO ARE THEY'VE, THEY'VE SIGNED UP TO TALK ABOUT CONSENT.

THEY'RE NOT IN THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO JUST TALK BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE DAY GOES ON, THEY ARE GOING TO STAY AND SPEAK TO ITEM NINE.

DO THEY SPEAK IF IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, DO THEY SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY? OR DO THEY SPEAK WHEN WE PULL IT? WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING IT UP HERE ON THE DIOCESE IT'S BEEN PULLED FROM CONSENT, NUMBER NINE IS PULLED FROM CONSENT.

RIGHT.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

HAVE WE ALREADY HEARD THOSE SPEAKERS OR DO THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF SPEAKING AT THAT TIME? IF THEY'RE ON THE PHONE? WELL, THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT HERE BEFORE, IF THEY DIDN'T, WE GOT PULLED, THEY DON'T SPEAK TILL THE ITEM ACTUALLY GETS CALLED.

UM, THERE ARE THERE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF THAT TOO.

IT'S A LOT EASIER TO TIME MANAGE A MEETING WHEN EVERYBODY SPEAKS IN THE MORNING AND THEN YOU CAN SET THEM AGENDA AND WORK THROUGH ITEMS. AND I THINK THAT'S IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RUN MEETINGS MORE EFFICIENTLY AND, AND MEANINGS SOONER.

SO I THINK AGAIN, THERE ARE TRADE OFFS.

UM, I THINK AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, I WOULD ALWAYS PREFER TO SPEAK JUST BEFORE AN ITEM GETS CALLED.

UH, BUT I ALSO, UH, AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, I'VE ALSO HAD MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT ARE UPSET WITH HOW LONG OUR MEETINGS GO.

AND THAT BECOMES ITS OWN BAR TO PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.

I UNDERSTAND THE CHOICE ISSUE, UH, BUT THERE'S ALSO FOR ME, I THINK WE DO BETTER WHEN WE RUN A MEETING THAT, THAT GETS US OUT EARLIER THAN, THAN LATER, I THINK WE MAKE BETTER DECISIONS AND WORK BETTER FOR ME.

I WOULD KEEP DOING IT THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW IS I WOULD HAVE PEOPLE SPEAK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT WOULD BE TO GO TO THE PHONE BETWEEN NUMBERS AND TO MAINTAIN THAT SYSTEM.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

CERTAINLY WE COULD SAY, IF YOU DON'T, IF THAT PRESENTED AN ISSUE, WE COULD SAY, WE'LL ASK PEOPLE WHO ARE PHYSICALLY PRESENT IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK DURING THE DAY, IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE PHONE.

I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE HAVEN'T ASKED THAT QUESTION, UH, OR WE CAN STAY WITH THE PRACTICE OF JUST SAYING, LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY TALK, UH, IN, UH, IN THE MORNING.

OKAY.

SO

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I THINK WHAT, WHERE IT GETS CONFUSING FOR ME, I MEAN, IT'S SIX MINUTES, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

IF WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON NUMBER SIX, THEN WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THAT SIX MINUTES, REGARDLESS OF WHEN IT IS.

I THINK, I THINK THE, THE EFFICIENCY OF THE MEETING IS JUST HAVING A CLEAR, HAVING A CLEAR PLAN AND THEN KIND OF FOLLOWING IT THROUGH.

AND SO WHAT I WOULD, I THINK I NEED TO UNDERSTAND, AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND IS IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, IF THEY BELIEVE IT'S MOST IMPACTFUL FOR THEM TO SPEAK AT THE TIME WHEN WE CALL UP THE ITEM, DO THEY ONLY HAVE AN OPTION TO DO THAT? IF THEY'RE HERE IN PUBLIC, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BECOME, RIGHT? IF, IF ALL OF OUR VIRTUAL SPEAKERS HAVE TO SPEAK IN THE MORNING AND DON'T HAVE AN OPTION, MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPTION OF SPEAKING WHEN THAT ITEM GETS PULLED UP.

THEY ONLY HAVE AN ITEM, AN OPTION OF SPEAKING IN THE MORNING.

THEN I THINK WE NEED TO BROADCAST THAT.

LIKE, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU ARE A VIRTUAL SPEAKER, THESE ARE YOUR TIMES THIS TIME AND YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY THIS TIME, ROUGHLY THIS TIME, BUT YOU WON'T HAVE AN OPTION OF SPEAKING WHEN THE ITEM GETS PULLED UP.

YES.

I THINK THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS.

I THINK THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS, DO WE JUST SAY THE RULE IS THAT EVERYBODY SPEAKS VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON DO YOU SPEAK IN THE MORNING? THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, IF WE'RE GOING TO LET PEOPLE SPEAK ON ITEMS, OTHER THAN JUST IN THE MORNING, IS THAT AN OPTION THAT'S AVAILABLE BOTH IN PERSON AND BY PHONE, OR IS IT AN OPTION THAT'S ONLY AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN PERSON? I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS I WOULD FOR ME.

I WOULD SAY EVERYBODY SPEAKS IN THE MORNING, UH, IN PART, BECAUSE IT'S HARD SOMETIMES TO PREDICT HOW LONG THINGS ARE GOING TO TAKE IN THE AFTERNOON TO TURNING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP TO SPEAK OR STAY TO SPEAK, OR COME TO SPEAK.

WE USED TO HAVE A RULE THAT LED PEOPLE COME AND SIGN UP TO SPEAK.

UM, UM, UNTIL THE MOMENT THAT AN ITEM GETS CALLED, UH, WE ALSO, HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT.

UM, UH, HERE LATELY, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SIGNING UP AHEAD OF TIME.

I LIKED THAT PRACTICE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADJUST OUR MEETINGS BASED ON PEOPLE SIGNING UP AHEAD OF TIME TO, TO SPEAK.

UH, AND I THINK THAT'S HELPED US RUN MEETINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE ORDERLY AND A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENTLY.

SO FOR ME, WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD KEEP THAT RULE THAT YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP AHEAD OF TIME.

YOU CAN SIGN UP EITHER VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON, BUT ALL THE MORNING PEOPLE SPEAK IN THE MORNING.

AND THEN, THEN WE KNOW THAN HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE REST OF THE DAY LOOKS LIKE.

IF WE WANTED TO HAVE PEOPLE SPEAK BEFORE EVERY ITEM, UH, THEN WE COULD FIND OUT FROM THE CLERK, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH ENGAGING PEOPLE ON THE PHONE OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY HAS BERBERINE.

ALICE.

I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS ON IT.

UM, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN WITH FOLKS WHO ARE ABLE TO BE HERE ALL DAY.

UM, NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT ORDER WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THINGS UP IN THAT THAT GET A DIFFERENT PREFERENCE THAN FOLKS WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO.

I KNOW OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, WE'VE HEARD SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE JUGGLING THEIR KIDS, THEY'RE JUGGLING THEIR WORK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TAKE THE DAY OFF TO COME AND BE HERE WITH US FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW LONG THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE SOME PREDICTABILITY, ESPECIALLY FOR FOLKS IN DISTRICT A, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING HERE AND NOT KNOWING HOW LONG YOU'RE GOING TO SIT HERE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AT THAT MOMENT, UM, WOULD, WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE.

AND I THINK BE DIFFICULT FOR SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS TO COMMIT TO.

UM, SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT OF HEARING THE COMMENTARY RIGHT WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THE ITEM.

BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT PEOPLE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW HOW TO EMAIL US.

WE KNOW EVERY MORNING BEFORE A MEETING, I GET A RUNDOWN OF ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S COME IN AND, AND WHAT PERSPECTIVES PEOPLE ARE TAKING.

SO WE CERTAINLY WANT THAT FEEDBACK AND VALUE IT.

BUT I JUST KNOW THAT A LOT OF MY DISTRICT CONSTITUENTS CAN'T BE HERE FOR AN UNKNOWN PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE, WHEN THEIR ITEMS GOING TO COME UP.

OR IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, I WANT TO SPEAK UP WHEN THE ITEM COMES AND THEN THEY END UP HAVING TO GO GET THEIR KIDS FROM SCHOOL OR RUN SOME OTHER AREA THAT THEY JUST HAVE TO GET COMPLETED THAT DAY.

SO I THINK THAT DOING THEM IN THE MORNING HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL SO THAT WE CAN HEAR ALL OF IT, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT UP FRONT.

SO WE UNDERSTAND PERSPECTIVES BEFORE WE TAKE IT UP.

BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ON THE IN-PERSON VERSUS REMOTE.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR EARS OPEN TO OUR CLERK'S OFFICE TO UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS AND HOW MANY PEOPLE MAY HANG UP BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY MAY NOT WANT TO CALL IN AT NINE 30 OR 10 O'CLOCK WHEN THEY NEED TO CALL IN.

AND THEN BY ONE 30, THEY JUST BEEN ON HOLD FOR HOURS.

SO I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S PREPARED TO SPEAK ON IT.

I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I JUST KNOW YOU HAVE MUCH MORE WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF THAT SYSTEM THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING UP HERE.

UH, JEANETTE GOODALL, CITY CLERK FOR A FEW MORE DAYS.

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UM, I WILL TELL YOU THE REMOTE IS THE TRICKIER PART BECAUSE OF JUST BEING ABLE TO KNOW WHEN TO CALL THEM WHEN TO TELL PEOPLE, UM, WE WILL BE CALLING THEM, UM, AND JUST KEEPING THEM ON THE PHONE BECAUSE MANY OF THEM ARE ON THEIR CELL PHONES, UM, AND RECEPTION DROPS WITH THE CELL PHONES.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CUTTING WHAT YOU ALL DON'T SEE BEHIND THE SCENES IS EVEN DURING THAT WINDOW THAT WE HAVE FOR MORNING AND AFTERNOON, WE ARE CALLING PEOPLE CONSTANTLY AND, OR EMAILING THEM, UH, HELPING THEM GET BACK IN BECAUSE THEIR CALL HAS DROPPED.

AND SO THE MORE YOU MAKE THAT MORE COMPLICATED, THE MORE, IT BECOMES MORE FRUSTRATING, NOT ONLY FOR THEM, BUT FOR US AS WELL.

UM, NOW THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CANNOT ADD ADDITIONAL BATCHES, THAT IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR ITEM THAT YOU ALL DISCUSS, LIKE ON TUESDAY, SO THAT WE CAN PLAN, IT'S HARDER TO ADD BATCHES ON THE FLY, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS SOME PROGRAMMING AND SOME RECORDING, UM, SO THAT WHEN THE PEOPLE ANSWER THEIR PHONE, THEY KNOW WHO THE CALL IS FROM.

UM, SO, BUT IF WE KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE, AND IF THERE'S AN ITEM THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE SEPARATELY, BECAUSE YOU, YOU WANT TO SET IT FOR A TIME, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS.

WE CAN ADD BATCHES IN ADDITION TO THE 10 AND 2:00 PM REMOTE MEETINGS, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE SO WE CAN PLAN.

AND SO THAT WE CAN LET THE RESIDENTS KNOW WHEN THAT ITEM WILL BE TAKEN UP.

UM, AND SO IT DOES MAKE IT EASIER IF WE, UH, IF WE TAKE THEM IN THE BIGGER BATCHES SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE THEM, UM, AT ONE TIME, BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT TAKES AT LEAST THREE STAFF MEMBERS TO MANAGE THAT REMOTE PIECE AND KEEP EVERYBODY, UM, IN THE QUEUE.

I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.

I KNOW IN MY PERSPECTIVE OF HOW PEOPLE ENGAGE WITH US PUBLICLY, I WANT TO KNOW THAT THE PERSON NAVIGATING THIS FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT THEY NEED OF THEIR SCHEDULE, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO DATE TO PLAY ON DAYS IN ADVANCE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE RIGHT CHILDCARE OR TO HAVE A DIFFERENT SPOUSE OR GRANDPARENT PICK UP THE KID FROM SCHOOL.

AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ARE RE NAVIGATING, GETTING THINGS, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, BACK TO NORMAL THAT WE'RE DOING SO WITH A MINDSET OF SOMEONE NAVIGATING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE CLERK COULD TELL THEM WHAT TO EXPECT.

AND SO THAT IS, THAT IS GOING TO BE THE EXPECTATION MOVING THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

SO I DO APPRECIATE HOW MUCH MORE ACCESSIBLE THIS HAS BEEN TO THE PUBLICS.

I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD BENEFIT FOR US.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT WORK.

I KNOW A LOT GOES INTO IT, TWO ITEMS. UM, I LIKE THE BATCH IDEA.

UM, AND MAYBE WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT.

UM, I HAVE A DIFFERENT ISSUE THAT I WANT TO JUST LAY ON THE TABLE FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND THAT IS WHEN WE ARE GOING TO POSTPONE, LIKE IN ZONING CASES.

NORMALLY THE CONVERSATION THEN FROM THE PUBLIC IS WHETHER OR NOT TO POSTPONE THAT'S THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF THEM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ALLOWING THEM TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO THE MERITS OF THE, OF THE CASES.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO RETURN BACK TO THE MORE, YES, NO, ON POSTPONEMENT.

IT DOES MEAN THAT PEOPLE COME BACK OR RE-ENGAGE WITH US AT A LATER TIME WHEN AN ITEM IS POSTPONED, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MORE PROXIMATE TO THE ACTUAL DECISION-MAKING.

SO, UM, IF, IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ALSO VERY HELPFUL, PARTICULARLY.

OKAY.

AND IF, IF WE KNOW IN ADVANCE, THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW A LOT OF TIMES IN ADVANCE WHEN A CASE IS GOING TO GET POSTPONED.

UM, BUT IF I KNOW IN ADVANCE, UM, WHEN WE SEND OUT THE NOTICE TO THE RESIDENTS, WE HAVE AT LEAST BEEN, UH, INFORMING THEM THAT, UM, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THIS CASE IS GOING TO BE POSTPONED.

UM, BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T GET THOSE NOTICES UNTIL, YOU KNOW, LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT, WHICH I'M ALREADY ASLEEP, UM, OR, UM, ON THURSDAY.

AND SO WE CAN'T PASS THAT ALONG, BUT IF WE KNOW WE DO RIGHT, UM, WELL, AND I THINK THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE LAYERS TO THAT TOO, BECAUSE THE DYESS CAN CHOOSE TO POSTPONE AND YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT, BUT, UM, JERRY RUSS TOBIN COULD CERTAINLY COPY YOU ON HIS JERRY'S GUESTS.

WE GET 'EM, IT'S JUST A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T GET THEM UNTIL LATE IN THE EVENING BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN JERRY SENDS THEM OUT.

AND SO THAT'S THE PIECE THAT I KIND OF WANTED TO MAYBE MASSAGE A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS THE MESSAGE.

THEN WHEN WE DO INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND MARY, YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT THIS ITEM HAS BEEN POSTPONED.

UH, BUT THEN WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY START TALKING,

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UM, I, I DO THINK WE NEED TO REMIND THEM THAT THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF THEM IS YES OR NO ON POSTPONEMENT, NOT CAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LISTENING TO THE MERITS.

PART OF IT IS, IS, IS THE CHAIR AND MAINTAINING THAT KIND OF DISCIPLINE.

IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, I NEED SUPPORT FROM THE DANCE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP.

SO, UH, SOMETIMES PEOPLE SHOW UP AND THEY SAY, LOOK, I'M HERE.

I KNOW YOU'RE POSTPONING FOR TWO WEEKS.

I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK.

I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE HAD TO DO A LOT OF THINGS.

SO IF I'M HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO SPEAK.

UH, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IN THAT INSTANCE, IF SOMEONE'S COME DOWN AND SAYING, OKAY, YOU CAN SPEAK THAT, BUT YOU CAN'T SPEAK LATER.

BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS SOMETIMES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IT CHANGES AND WHAT THEY WANT TO SPEAK TO CHANGES.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ENFORCE WHATEVER KIND OF RULE YOU YOU WANT TO DO.

UH, SO LONG AS WE'RE TOGETHER ON THAT.

AND AS A DIOCESE, IF SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, ACTUALLY I'M HERE.

I'D REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON IT.

NOW WE SAY, SORRY, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THE MATTER HAS BEEN POSTPONED SO THAT THERE'S SOLIDARITY ON THE DESK.

AND SOMEONE DOESN'T SAY WELL, WHILE YOU'RE, I THINK THE ANSWER IS RIGHT IN HOW YOU DESCRIBED IT.

THE FACT IS ON POSTPONEMENTS ISSUES AND DETAILS MAY CHANGE BETWEEN THE FIRST DATE AND THE POSTPONED TO DATE.

AND THAT IS THE RESPONSE BACK TO THE RESIDENT, AS THINGS ARE INFLUX.

AND SO HOLD YOUR FIRE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU, BUT LET'S FIRM THINGS UP AND SEE WHAT THE CHANGES MAY BE.

THE REASON IT'S BEING POSTPONED HAS TO DO WITH ELEMENTS OF THE CASE THAT ARE BEING, THAT ARE INACTIVE, CONTINUE YOUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICES, AND IT WILL BE RESET.

AND WE WELCOME YOU TO RETURN WHEN WE HAVE A, UM, A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THE ISSUES IN FRANCE AND IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL IS, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT SO LONG AS WE'RE TOGETHER IN THAT.

CAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK, WE HAVE THIS KIND OF AWKWARD MOMENTS ON THAT DAY.

AS WITH SOMEONE SAY, WOW, I'LL RECOGNIZE THEM TO, TO, TO SPEAK.

UM, SO TO, TO ISSUES THAT ARE ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, THE FIRST ISSUE IS THE FIRST ONE THAT KATHY BROUGHT UP ABOUT SPEAKERS.

AND THE QUESTION IS FIRST WE WANT ALL THE SPEAKERS TO SPEAK IN THE MORNING TO SPEAK IN THE MORNING, OR DO WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AS THEIR ITEM IS CALLED IF IT WAS NOT HANDLED ON CONSENT? UM, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ONE QUESTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW, UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SPEAK AS ITEMS ARE CALLED, UH, THEN, UH, UM, WE, WE, WE HAVE THE KIND OF, UH, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE COULD, WE COULD DO IT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT IS THAT IT WOULD BE CALLED.

SO YOU'D BE CALLING PEOPLE ON THE PHONE AND SAYING, UH, YOU HAD SIGNED UP ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, WE'RE NOW CALLING ITEM NUMBER NINE.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK ON THIS ITEM NUMBER NINE? OR WOULD WE DO, OR DO PEOPLE CHARGED WITH WATCHING IT AS THEY HAD IN THE PAST? AND THEY COULD CALL IN AND SAY, I'VE, WE'RE NOW CALLING IT NUMBER NINE.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S CALLING IN TO, TO, TO, TO SPEAK TO US? SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN COMPLETELY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

UM, WE ARE TALKING WITH THE VENDOR ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL WAYS OF KEEPING A BATCH OPEN AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S POSSIBLE AND HOW WE COULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME BACK INTO A BATCH.

BECAUSE TYPICALLY ONCE WE TAKE THE REMOTE SPEAKERS, WE CLOSE THAT BATCH SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE JUST CALLING IN AND HANGING AROUND FOR NOTHING.

UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE GOING FORWARD.

UM, I JUST KNOW THAT CREATING A BATCH TO THE DAY OF THE MEETING FOR SOMEONE TO CALL IN FIVE MINUTES BEFORE YOU TAKE UP THE ITEM WOULD BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

OKAY.

I MEAN, FOR ME, WITHOUT STOPPING YOUR MEETING AND GIVING US 15, 20 MINUTES TO GET EVERYTHING RIGHT, I'M HEARING, I'M HEARING LOTS OF POSITIVE KUDOS FOR HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.

UH, AND HAVING THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS IN THE MORNING, KNOWING WHAT NUMBERS THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOR HAS REALLY HELPED US SET KIND OF THE, THE MEETING AND THE ORDER THE DAY BEFORE IS WE'RE FIGURING OUT.

AND EVEN TO BE ABLE TO COME WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL ON HOW MUCH TIME SPEAKERS SHOULD HAVE RELATIVE TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE, HAVE SIGNED UP.

UM, SO I, I, MY PERSONAL, I WOULD KEEP WHAT WE HAVE NOW, CAUSE I THINK IT'S WORKING WELL, KATHY.

UH, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE MCKELLY.

YEAH, I THINK AT SOME POINT IT JUST ALSO BECOMES, UM, I'M NOT SURE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING PEOPLE SPEAK AT THE TIME OF THE ITEM OUTWEIGHS WHAT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY CHALLENGING LOGISTICAL

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PROCESS AND ONE THAT ALREADY REQUIRES A LOT OF STAFF TIME.

SO I AGREE, I THINK IN, IN LESS THAN UNTIL WE HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF PORTAL, IT MAKES BEST SENSE IF YOU'RE CALLING IN VIRTUALLY ON CONSENT ITEMS, I GUESS, OR ANY OTHER ITEM ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, THAT'S NOT ZONING ALLOWING THOSE FOLKS OR REQUIRING THOSE FOLKS TO TALK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY, MAKES SENSE.

IF YOU'RE HERE IN PERSON, YOU HAVE AN OPTION, IS THAT ACCURATE? YOU HAVE AN OPTION OF DOING IT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY OR LATER WHEN THE ITEM IS PULLED, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT.

AND WE COULD DECIDE THAT THAT'S EXACTLY THE PRACTICE WE DID BEFORE.

YEAH.

IT'S NOT THE PRACTICE WE'VE BEEN DOING, UM, HERE FOR THE LAST, YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST WE KEEP THAT OPTION.

HAVE THAT BE AN OPTION? I MEAN, I AGREE.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE, ARE, UM, HAPPY ABOUT THE ABILITY TO CALL IN.

INSTEAD OF COME DOWN, I DO WANT TO PRESERVE THE OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO TALK AT THE TIME THE ITEM COMES UP.

I JUST, I MEAN, AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, I HEARD LOTS OF CRITICISM ABOUT ANOTHER BODY IN TOWN THAT ONLY ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TALK IN THE BATCHED WAY IN THE BEGINNING AND IT DISCONNECTS IT SOMETIMES FROM THE CONVERSATION.

SO I THINK PRESERVING THAT OPPORTUNITY MAKES SENSE TO ME.

I ALSO HAVE, UM, WOULD LIKE TO TALK AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GO ON AND ON TOO MUCH TODAY, BUT I DO, LIKE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN UP LATER THAN WE HAVE BEEN.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY OF DOING IT WHILE WE'RE VIRTUAL, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT CUTOFF TIME.

AND I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK VIRTUALLY THAT, THAT CUTOFF TIME, THAT PRE-REGISTRATION NEEDS TO APPLY, I THINK IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO COME DOWN HERE AND TALK, YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SIGN UP BEFORE WE TAKE UP THE ITEM ON THE DIOCESE.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE TIMES.

COULD I EXPLAIN BEFORE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE NODDING THEIR HEAD NOW, UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY TALK ABOUT AN ISSUE ON TUESDAY AND IT HITS THE NEWSPAPERS ON WEDNESDAY.

AND SO THEY MAY BE ONLY FINDING OUT ABOUT THAT ISSUE FOR THE FIRST TIME ON WEDNESDAY.

AND I KNOW POSTING OUR AGENDAS EARLIER HAS HELPED, BUT, BUT IT JUST IS THE CASE THAT THERE MAY BE THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO WILL HAVE MISSED THAT SIGNUP DEADLINE ON WEDNESDAY AND WANT TO COME ADDRESS THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THURSDAY.

AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT IF THEY ARE WILLING TO COME DOWN HERE AND DO SO, BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY MISSED THE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION.

I THINK ALL OF THESE CHANGES HAVE WORKED TOWARD PROVIDING MORE ACCESS FOR THE PUBLIC.

AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT PIECE OF IT CURTAILED THAT WE, THAT WE HAD IN PLACE PREVIOUSLY.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE OF THE VIRTUAL.

I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT NECESSARY FOR, UM, THE WAY WE RUN OUR IN-PERSON MEETINGS.

MY QUESTION GOT ANSWERED.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO YEAH.

UH, WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

I, WHEN WE, WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE, THAT WAS ALSO CREATING A PROBLEM WAS WHEN WE HAD PEOPLE GOING, THEY COULD SPEAK TO AN ITEM WHEN THE ITEM WAS PULLED, WE THEN HAD STARTED HAVING PEOPLE THAT WERE TRYING TO SET FOR TIME CERTAIN THEIR ITEMS, BECAUSE THEY HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO BE SHOWING UP TO SPEAK AND THEY WANTED TO GIVE THEM A TIME WHEN THEY COULD SHOW UP TO SPEAK, WHICH I UNDERSTOOD TOO, BUT THAT ALSO JUST REALLY MAKES IT SO HARD TO BE ABLE TO, TO RUN AN EFFICIENT MEETING BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE WORKING AROUND, UM, A TIME WHEN, WHEN, WHEN SPEAKERS GET CALLED AND PEOPLE WERE DOING THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD SHOW UP TO SPEAK AND THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHEN THEIR ITEM WAS GOING TO GET CALLED.

AND THEN FOR THAT, WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE, WERE, WERE SITTING OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY AND SOME PEOPLE CAN DO THAT.

AND SOME PEOPLE CAN'T AND THAT NEVER SEEMED FAIR TO ME.

SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UH, KATHY, AND CERTAINLY THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD GOVERN.

I, I WOULD HAVE PEOPLE SIGN UP AHEAD OF TIME.

WE POST OUR AGENDAS TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE AS WE'VE BEEN DOING IT THAT LETS US REALLY BE ABLE TO, TO SET A MEETING.

AND I WOULD HAVE EVERYBODY SPEAKING IN THE MORNING, UH, THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT HAS ENABLED US TO, TO REALLY JUGGLE AND DO THE ITEMS THAT WE COULD DO QUICKLY.

AS PEOPLE WERE WORKING THINGS OUT OVER THE, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE DAY IS IT'S A SYSTEM.

I THINK THAT'S WORKED WELL FOR US HERE, OR LAST 20 MONTHS, I WOULD I'D RECOMMEND KEEPING IT.

UH, BUT THERE ARE NO GOOD CHOICES MEANS THERE'S THERE'S ADVANTAGES OF DISADVANTAGES TO, TO ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO BECAUSE REMEMBER ELLIS, I JUST, AGAIN HAVE PRETTY SERIOUS RESERVATIONS ABOUT ONE METHOD OF COMMUNICATING WITH US ONLY BEING AVAILABLE TO FOLKS THAT CAN BE HERE FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME.

I THINK WE'VE DONE GREAT WORK OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO HEAR FROM ALL PEOPLE.

UM, ONE OF THE SILVER LININGS OF HAVING TO DO THINGS REMOTE WAS THAT WE FIGURED OUT THE CLERK'S OFFICE FIGURED OUT A SYSTEM SO THAT PEOPLE WHO CAN'T TAKE OFF A WHOLE DAY OF WORK TO COME SPEAK TO US, UM, AREN'T HERE

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ALL DAY.

AND SO I JUST WOULD LIKE THE OPTIONS TO BE THE SAME FOR ANYONE, NO MATTER IF THEY CAN TAKE THE DAY, THE FULL DAY OFF OR NOT.

SO I REALLY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND COMMUNICATION WITH THAT.

YES.

CAN, CAN I ASK YOU TO EXPLAIN HOW ALLOWING PEOPLE TO REGISTER AFTER WEDNESDAY CURTAILS SOMEONE ELSE'S ABILITIES TO PARTICIPATE? I JUST DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE WRONG ABOUT THAT.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION.

AND, AND I JUST THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS FORECLOSING AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT AN ISSUE ON WEDNESDAY.

IT WAS LESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF PEOPLE SIGNING UP AND JUST MORE ABOUT WHEN WE HEAR THAT INFORMATION.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CLERK IS ABLE TO DO THINGS MORNING OF IF WE'RE STILL ALLOWING THE REMOTE PARTICIPATION PROCESS AS WELL.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE FOLLOWING, WE'RE DOING IT THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS CAN'T COME SIGN UP THAT MORNING AND CAN'T COME SIT HERE ALL DAY.

AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR MAKING SURE, HOWEVER WE'RE DOING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS SOMETHING THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE CAN HANDLE AND THAT EVERYBODY'S GETTING THE SAME ACCESS TO US.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL WANT TO MAKE THE MEETINGS AS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE AS POSSIBLE.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACTUALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT THIS, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE VIRTUAL SIGNUP BE BY THE DAY BEFORE AS THE CURRENT PRACTICE, UM, AND THAT WE COULD ALLOW FOLKS TO COME IN ON THE DAY OF IF THEY'RE IN PERSON TO SIGN UP.

AND THEN THE MAIN QUESTION NOW IS WHETHER THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP IN PERSON CAN COME AND SPEAK ON A PARTICULAR ITEM AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO STAY ALL DAY, UM, I'M FINE WITH EITHER WAY, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHATEVER WE DO DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SET IN STONE.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE GETTING USED TO HAVING TO ITERATE AND HAVING TO SEE WHERE THINGS ARE.

UM, SO WE COULD CHOOSE ONE WAY AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.

UM, AND IF IT SEEMS TO BE PROBLEMATIC IN SOME WAY, THEN WE COULD SWITCH IT AGAIN.

I DON'T THINK WHAT WE DO AS OUR NEXT ITERATION IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL AND PERFECT ITERATION.

UM, CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST TO THINGS.

I THINK IT'S GREAT IF WE CAN CONTINUE THE VIRTUAL, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN, SIGN UP, UM, THAT WILL AFFECT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF MINUTES THAT PEOPLE GET.

IF WE GET A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SHOWING UP IN PERSON.

UM, BUT I DO AGREE THAT PEOPLE SOMETIMES ONLY FIND OUT ABOUT THE ITEM THE DAY BEFORE OR THE DAY OF, AND SO I'D LIKE THERE TO BE A MECHANISM, UM, EVEN IF BOTH ARE NOT POSSIBLE.

UM, AND I WOULD SUPPORT EITHER ONE FOR THE IN-PERSON.

UM, BUT I, BUT I, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CHOOSE ONE AND TRY IT.

THANK YOU.

THANKS.

I JUST WANTED TO ECHO, UM, SIMILAR SENTIMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS AND SHARING THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE SAME PLAYING FIELD FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.

AND SO IF WE'RE, IF I WOULD SUPPORT US GOING DOWN THE STRATEGY OF, IF THEY'RE IN-PERSON THAT THEY SPEAK AT ONE TIME VERSUS PULLING IT UP BY ITEM UH, YEAH, I, UM, I AGREE WITH A LOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, THE THING THAT I ALWAYS HAVE CONCERNED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ALLOW SPEAKERS TO, UH, WHEN WE MADE SPEAKERS TO SPEAK AT THE ITEM WAS PULLED, THEY WERE IN AND ATTENDED IN PERSON AND WE WOULD GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE WERE SPENT HOURS IN THERE BEFORE COMING BACK OUT.

AND NOW WE HAVE MADE PEOPLE WAIT.

AND IF WE HAD, UH, OUR MUSIC AND POP DONATION, THEN THEY HAD TO WAIT TILL NIGHT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE CONCERNED THAT WE SHOULD ALSO GIVE THE PEOPLE AN OPTION TO SPEAK IN THE MORNING, UM, ON ITEMS, WHETHER IT'S CONSENT OR NOT.

AND, UH, SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ALL DAY IF THEY WANT TO THAT THERE'LL BE FINE.

WHEN DIANE COMES UP, THEY WILL BE ALLOWED, WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK.

SO WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL AT DIFFERENT PLACES.

UM, THE, UH, THAT'S OKAY.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF WHO WE ARE.

UM, WELL WE, WE COULD DO, UM, I WOULD PROPOSE

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THAT WE HAVE EVERYBODY SPEAK IN THE MORNING RATHER THAN PULL UP HER INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, BUT THEN WE CHANGED THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK.

WE KEEP IT THE DAY BEFORE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SIGNING UP TO SPEAK REMOTELY SO THAT YOU CAN PROGRAM THAT AND AT WORK ON THAT.

BUT IF SOMEBODY SHOWS UP DAY OF AND WANTS TO SPEAK IN THE MORNING BATCH, WE WOULD LET THEM DO THAT.

THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP.

I WOULD STILL SUGGEST THAT WE CUT THAT OFF, LIKE AT NINE, 15 OR SOMETHING DAY OF THAT'LL GIVE US THEN 45 MINUTES TO TRY TO, WELL KNOW THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS.

SO WE CAN THEN BETTER PROGRAM THE, THE REST OF THE DAY.

I WOULD PROPOSE THAT AS KIND OF THE NEXT ITERATION OR COMPROMISE THAT WE TRY.

PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WHAT WOULD WE, UM, I, I THINK THE EASIEST WAY FOR US RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW ONLINE REGISTRATION FORM THAT MIGHT ASSIST GOING FORWARD, BUT WITH OUR CURRENT PROCESS, IF WE HAD EVERYONE REGISTER ONLINE FROM WHEN IT OPENED UNTIL NOON ON WEDNESDAY AND WE CLOSED THE ONLINE AND SO THEY COULD REGISTER LIKE THEY DO NOW FOR IN-PERSON OR REMOTE, RIGHT? AND THEN AT NOON ON WEDNESDAY, WE COULD OPEN THE SPEAKER KIOSK HERE AT CITY HALL AT NOON ON WEDNESDAY OR SHORTLY AFTER ONCE WE HAVE IMPORTED THE LIST OF IN-PERSON SPEAKERS INTO THE SYSTEM.

UH, AND THAT WAY WE DON'T RUN INTO ANY CONFLICTS WITH TRYING TO IMPORT THE INFORMATION.

AND WE STILL ALLOW ANYONE WHO WAS IN-PERSON COMING DOWN ON THURSDAY AND OPTION OF REGISTERING REMOTELY.

SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME DOWN TWICE, ONCE TO REGISTER AND THEN ONCE TO SPEAK, BUT THEN WE COULD OPEN IT UP FOR LATE IN-PERSON REGISTRATIONS ON WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND THEN CLOSE IT WHENEVER YOU WANTED ON THURSDAY.

SO, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE JUST DESCRIBED.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

SO THE ONLINE REGISTRATION ENDS AT NOON, EITHER IN PERSON OR REMOTE, AS SOON AS YOU CAN IMPORT THE DATA INTO THAT, THAT YOU OPEN UP THE KIOSKS, WHICH REQUIRES SOMEONE TO BE PHYSICALLY HERE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SIGN UP, RIGHT.

SOMEONE COULD COME DOWN WHATEVER TIME IT IS ON WEDNESDAY WHEN THE KIOSK IS UP AND RUNNING AND THE KIOSKS WOULD BE UP AND RUNNING ON THURSDAY MORNING UNTIL SOME POINT YES.

AND WHERE I WANT TO LEAVE ENOUGH TIME.

BUT BEFORE 10 O'CLOCK TO CLOSE THAT, SO THAT AGAIN, YOU COULD GET THE NUMBERS TO, UH, OUT SO WE COULD SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE.

THERE'S NINE, 15, GIVE US SUFFICIENT TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

I BELIEVE SO, BUT I WILL NOT BE HERE WHEN WE DO THIS.

SO WHERE DOES THAT SOUND GOOD TO YOU? RIGHT.

SO THE KIOSKS WOULD BE OPEN TILL NINE 15, BUT THEN THE KIOSKS ARE CLOSED.

YES.

UH, AND THEN OTHER SPEAKERS ARE SET FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE DAY.

OKAY.

LET'S RUN WITH THAT FOR THE NEXT SIMON AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY, WELL, I'M UP HERE AND I HAVE YOUR EAR, UM, FOR LIVE MUSIC AND PROCLAMATIONS, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU NOT SET TIME CERTAINS OR COME BACK AT SIX 30 BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES THAT MEAN THE MAYOR DOESN'T GET A BREAK, THE ATX IN THE CTM AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE ALSO DO NOT GET A DINNER BREAK, UM, WITH MUSIC AND PROX.

CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY CAN LAST A WHILE.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

SO I, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIVE MUSIC, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO SEVEN PROCLAMATIONS, SOMETIMES THAT CAN GO UNTIL SIX 30.

UM, AND IF STAFF STAFF HAS TO BE HERE FOR THOSE.

UM, AND SO IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK AT SIX 30 STAFF HAS TO BE BACK HERE AT SIX 30 IN PREPARATION FOR YOU RETURNING, WHICH MEANS THEY DO NOT GET A BREAK.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE EVENING, YOU BUILD IN TIME FOR STAFF TO HAVE A BREAK IN BETWEEN WHEN PROX WILL END AND WHEN YOU RETURN.

SO LET'S ALSO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PROXIES TO FIVE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE FIRST FIVE ON GET CALLED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE RUNNING AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ALWAYS AT LEAST 45 MINUTES FROM THE CLOSE OF MUSIC AND PRODUCTS BEFORE WE COME BACK SO THAT STAFF CAN, HAS A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO, TO MEET, TO EAT AS WELL.

IS THAT OKAY? YEAH.

I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH THAT TIME.

SO IF WE SAY FIVE PROX AT FIVE MINUTES, THAT'S 25 MINUTES ADDING 45 MINUTES KIND OF PUTS US AT A WEIRD TIME.

I MEAN, BUT WELL, I WAS THINKING, WELL, WE HAVE FIVE

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PRODUCTS AT FIVE MINUTES AND THEN WE HAVE MUSIC WE'RE REALLY 6 45.

THAT'S 30.

SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WHENEVER IT STOPPED AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE FEWER PROXIES, SOMETIMES THE BAND GETS A HOT AT ALL MORE QUICKLY.

SO WHATEVER WE STOP, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE NOT SAYING IT WILL NECESSARILY START EXACTLY 45 MINUTES AFTER WE STOPPED.

BUT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT WE WILL GIVE STAFF AT LEAST A 45 MINUTE BREAK AFTER PROCTOR OVER AND AFTER MUSIC IS OVER.

SO IF IT ENDS AT SIX 30, WE CAN'T START ANY EARLIER THAN SEVEN 15.

IF IT ENDS AT 6 45, WE CAN'T START ANY EARLIER THAN SEVEN 30.

OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

I MEAN, WE USED TO HAVE A RULE OF 15 MINUTES AFTER, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TIME.

SAY THAT AGAIN.

I SAID THERE USED TO BE A RULE OF 15 MINUTES AFTER PRODUCTS, WHICH NEVER GAVE ANYBODY ENOUGH TIME.

45 IS FINE.

I JUST THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO LAND US AT A MID, AT A MIDMARK, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SEVEN 30, IT WILL BE SEVEN 15, IT'LL BE 6 45.

IT JUST, IT JUST IS.

I JUST KNOW WHEN WE AREN'T COMING BACK, WHEN WE'RE COMING BACK AT A MIDPOINT BETWEEN AN HOUR AND A HALF HOUR, WE TEND NOT TO COME BACK ON TIME.

SO IT JUST, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT JUST TAKES A LITTLE THOUGHT OFF THE DIET.

MAYBE IT'S A 30 MINUTE, 30 MINUTES AFTER PROXY IN, BECAUSE THAT GETS US BACK AT AN EVEN NUMBER.

BUT I THINK THE PRINCIPLE OF HAVING, HAVING A LIMITATION ON PRODUCTS, UNLESS THERE'S AN, UH, YOU KNOW, A REAL, UH, WILD SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY NEEDS A PRODUCT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT'S THE LIMITING FACTOR THAT I THINK GETS US BACK ON TIME AND WHICH IS 30 MINUTE BREAK WOULD BE FINE.

OKAY.

SO LET'S TRY AND DO 30 MINUTES.

WE WON'T START ANY EARLIER THAN 30 MINUTES AFTER WE DO THAT.

LET'S SEE IF WE RUN INTO PROBLEMS WITH THE FIVE PRODUCTS, BECAUSE I REALLY WANT US TO TRY TO BE DONE AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO 6 45.

UH, CAUSE THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING TIME ON THE BACK OF THAT.

SO IT'S TRY FIVE PRODUCTS.

LET'S SEE IF WE RUN INTO PROBLEMS WITH THAT, WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE A 30 MINUTE BREAK THAT STAFF KNOWS, UH, AT THE END OF APPROXIMATE MUSIC WORLD LIVE MUSIC.

IF, IF WE COULD WAIT UNTIL THE JANUARY MEETINGS TO IMPLEMENT ANY OF THOSE CHANGES, BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO GET WITH THE MUSIC OFFICE AND START SCHEDULING.

I THINK THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

ALISON, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, UM, JEANETTE NOT MYRNA, IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE FUNCTIONING OF THE DAY THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT OR THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO US.

OH, WELL PUT ME ON THE SPOT.

UM, I WILL SAY ONE OF THE, UH, PROBABLY THE THING THAT WE HEAR THE MOST IS, UM, IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK AT SEVEN 30, UM, AND IT'S EIGHT O'CLOCK BY THE TIME YOU GET BACK AND GET STARTED, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IF IT'S RIGHT BEFORE WE HAD TO CALL THEM, THAT'S AN EXTRA 30 MINUTES THAT THEY'RE ON THE CALL HANGING.

UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT AS YOU GO FORWARD, YOU KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF, UM, AND MONITOR A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

IF YOU SAY YOU'RE COMING BACK AT SEVEN 30, YOU'RE BACK AT SEVEN 30, IF POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU.

AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION ALSO FOR THOSE OF US ON THE DIOCESE.

UM, I WAS AT A PRESS CONFERENCE AND SO IT WAS LATE TODAY.

SO I WILL SAY THIS RECOGNIZING THAT I WAS LATE THIS MORNING, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE SOME TIME WHEN WE'RE COMING A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT WHEN NOT A QUORUM IS HERE, WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO START, I MEAN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CHANGE OURSELVES BY JUST SHOWING UP ON TIME WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AND STARTING, IF THERE'S SIX OF US, UM, YOU KNOW, AS APPROPRIATE OR GETTING WHATEVER WE CAN GET DONE.

UM, WITH SIX OF US, THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, A STRAGGLER TOO.

WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF COMMITMENTS, BUT IF THERE IS A QUORUM ON THE DIOCESE, THEN WE GET MOVING AND THEN THAT BECOMES THE NORM.

UM, AND I THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT ALL THE TIME, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL CAPABLE OF, OF DOING.

IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, UH, MOVING IN SYNC AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD SAVE US A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

WE COULD PROBABLY SAVE AT LEAST A HALF AN HOUR, EVERY MEETING.

UM, IF WE ALL SHOWED UP AT THE TIME, UM, THAT WE SAID WE WOULD BE BACK, IT SOUNDS RIGHT.

HI COLLEAGUES.

LET'S MOVE.

DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WE HAVE, UH, UH, TWO POOLED ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS ITEM NUMBER TAN.

UM, YOU DIDN'T NEED TO PULL THAT.

NO, WE HAD A LITTLE

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BIT OF A MISCOMMUNICATION.

OKAY.

THAT GETS US TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

WE CONVEYED IT TO THE STAFF.

OKAY.

SO THEN

[35. Approve an ordinance amending City Code Chapter 2-10 (Municipal Court) to establish the City Marshal Office as a division of the Austin Municipal Court; repealing sections 2-6-1 through 2-6-14 of the City Code related to the former Public Safety and Emergency Management Department to remove obsolete sections of the City Code, renumbering remaining sections accordingly, and renaming Chapter 2-6 (Public Safety and Emergency Management Department).]

ITEM NUMBER 35, UM, WHICH IS TO ESTABLISH THE CITY MARSHAL OFFICE CLERK, MARSHALL OFFICE.

UM, I, WE, THIS WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

TOBO ALTER, UH, AND I PULLED THAT AS A AS WELL.

UM, LET'S REAL QUICKLY, KATHY, WHY DON'T YOU SAY WHY YOU PULLED IT OR WHAT YOUR CONCERN WAS OR WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE ADDRESSED, THEN ALISON, YOU CAN DO THAT, THEN I'LL DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL GO TO STAFF.

SO I THINK IN TERMS OF THE BIG PICTURE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, UM, THEY RANGE FROM WHAT ARE THE FI WHAT WOULD BE THE FINANCIAL EFFICIENCIES? LET ME BACK UP AND SAY, I KNOW WE ONCE HAD A MARSHALL PROGRAM AND IT WAS DISCONTINUED AND I'M INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING BETTER.

WHY, WHY THE SHIFT? UM, I, I KNOW THAT PART OF THIS IS AT LEAST I THOUGHT PART OF IT WAS ABOUT FINANCIAL EFFICIENCIES AND OTHER KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS IN LINE WITH OUR RE-IMAGINING, UM, POLICING CONVERSATION YET.

I, I, I KNOW FROM TALKING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FROM, FROM REVIEWING SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THESE WOULD, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THIS FUNCTIONS WITHIN THAT.

IT WASN'T.

UM, AND I GUESS I ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS OF VETTING THIS AND HOW MUCH OF A COMMUNITY PROCESS IT'S BEEN.

IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT OUR, OUR RE-IMAGINING TASKFORCE HAS DISCUSSED.

AND SO MY, MY QUESTIONS RANGE FROM, YOU KNOW, REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE, HOW IT WOULD FUNCTION, WHAT THE TRAINING IS, WHAT DOES OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY LOOK LIKE, UM, WHAT KINDS OF, WHAT KINDS OF RESPONSIBILITIES THEY WOULD HAVE AND, AND HOW IT WOULD FIT INTO OUR EXISTING SYSTEM, INCLUDING STATE REGULATIONS FOR PEACE OFFICERS.

SO, IN MY MIND, THIS IS A PRETTY BIG SHIFT AND THERE WERE A LOT OF COMPONENT QUESTIONS, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT, THAT I WILL BE READY BY THURSDAY TO TAKE THIS BIG JUMP, UM, WITHOUT, WITHOUT REALLY FULLY UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY HOW IT'S GONNA WORK.

ALISON GOOD MORNING.

UM, SO FIRST I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE COURTS HAVE AN UNDENIABLE NEED FOR SECURITY, UM, FOR THE SAFETY OF EVERYONE.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO GRAPPLE WITH AND UNDERSTAND IS WHETHER THE BEST WAY TO MEET THOSE NEEDS IS BY CREATING A NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS SEEMS TO BE DOING.

UM, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY, THE TRAINING, THE ACCOUNTABILITY, UM, THE EFFICIENCY, AS I MENTIONED, UM, AS COUNCIL MEMBER, TOBO MENTIONED ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS FITS IN WITH THE RE-IMAGINING.

UM, WE WOULD BE SPENDING OVER $2 MILLION TO CREATE THIS, AND I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM AND WHAT THOSE BUDGETARY COMMITMENTS LOOK LIKE IN LIGHT OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SECURITY AT OUR MUNICIPAL COURTS, WHICH WE MOST DEFINITELY DO, UM, I'M JUST NOT SURE IF, IF THERE ARE BETTER WAYS, UM, TO ADDRESS THAT.

AND IF THE TIME AND ENERGY THAT WOULD BE PUT INTO CREATING THIS NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY MIGHT BE BETTER PUT INTO MAKING SURE THAT THE ACADEMY IS RUNNING SMOOTHLY AND WE GET, UM, APD RECRUITS THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU CAN SERVE IN THIS ROLE, UM, BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME UNDERLYING ASSUMPTIONS.

SO I HAVE QUESTIONS, UM, ALONG THOSE LINES ABOUT HOW A NEW CHIEF WOULD BE SELECTED, ET CETERA.

UM, AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE JUST TO ASK THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN APPROPRIATE.

OKAY.

AND THEN I PULLED THIS, UH, IN PART, BECAUSE I ALSO THINK IT'S A BIG CHANGE, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, OF SIGNIFICANT ISSUE, UH, IN, IN SEVERAL OF THE, THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN KIND OF RE-IMAGINING, UH, POLICING.

UM, SO I PULLED IT BETTER UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE ELEMENTS.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE INCREASED SECURITY NEEDS THAT THAT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED.

QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, IN, IN FIRST BLUSH ON THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DESIRE FOR US TO TRY AND DOWNLOAD FROM OUR APD OFFICERS.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO