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UNTIL ORDER.

[Call to Order]

AND IT TONIGHT'S TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 20, 21 ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT SIX, SO EIGHT, BUT I CAN'T READ THAT FAR.

AND THE, AND GOING OVER ROLL COMMISSIONER ACOSTA CHAIR.

BERRERA RAMIREZ HERE.

COMMISSIONER BRAY HERE.

COMMISSIONER DINKLER HERE.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, COMMISSIONER KING HERE.

COMMISSIONER COLE OR VICE-VERSA CABASA THAT'S ME.

I'M HERE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HERE.

COMMISSIONER WOODY HERE.

GREAT.

AND COMMISSIONER BOON.

OKAY.

FIRST THE

[Consent Agenda ]

APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

AND I'LL READ THE AGENDA APPROVAL OF MINUTES, A ONE, UH, FROM NOVEMBER 2ND, 2021.

AND THEN B B ONE PUBLIC HEARINGS, B B ONE, REZONING C 14 DASH 2021 DASH 0 1 5 0 MANTECH SOUTH DISTRICT FIVE.

AND THAT IT'S A REZONING.

AND THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM B TO C 14 DASH 2021 DASH 0 1 5 5 LINDHURST REZONING APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO JANUARY 4TH, 2022.

AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

B3 REZONING, NO ACTION TO BE NOTICED FOR, UH, RE NOTICE FOR A FUTURE MEETING DATE BEFORE ZONING C 14 DASH 2021 DASH 0 1 4 6 DASH ONE FOUR DASH 1 46 EAST SLAUGHTER LANE.

AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

B FIVE SITE PLAN C S P C THAT'S 2021 DASH 0 0 1 7 8.

THE TRAINING KITCHEN THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, B SIX SUBDIVISION OUT OF PRELIMINARY APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN C EIGHT DASH 2020 DASH 0 0 3 7 POINT OR 0.1, A MARSHALL RANCH SUBDIVISION APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS AS IN, I BELIEVE EXHIBIT C, BUT I COULD BE CORRECTED ON THAT.

B SEVEN SUBDIVISION OUT OF APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN C EIGHT, J DASH 2 0 0 8 DASH 31 6 8 0.0 1.4 A AND TRY TO PHASE THREE, A SMALL LOT SUBDIVISION.

AND THAT IS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS AS I BELIEVE ALSO IN EXHIBIT C, BUT I COULD BE CORRECTED ON THAT.

AND SO THE CONSENT AGENDA IS THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 2ND AND B TO THE APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO JANUARY 4TH, APPROVALS FOR BEFORE AND B FIVE B6 WITH CONDITIONS B SEVEN WITH THE CONDITIONS AND B3 IS NOT ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

NO ACTION TO BE NOTICED IS THEIR EMOTION.

OH, COMMISSIONER BENKLER.

OKAY.

I THINK IT'S WORKING NOW.

UM, THE, ON THE MINUTES, UM, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT ON CONSENT, BUT I HAD TWO AMENDMENTS, ONE RELATED TO, UM, THE APPROVAL OF ATTRACT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT, BUT WE, UH, APPROVED, UH WITH A CEO THAT LIMITED TO THREE PARCELS.

UM, PERHAPS WE SHOULD JUST POSTPONE IT.

AND I ALSO THOUGHT THERE WAS A CORRECTION IN RELATING TO THE ACTIONS WE TOOK, UM, ON THE BYLAWS.

I UNDERSTOOD, WE HAD ONLY SUGGESTED THE MEETINGS BE HELD AT CITY HALL, UM, THAT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THERE OF CLAUSE THAT I DIDN'T REMEMBER US VOTING ON.

SO PERHAPS WE SHOULD JUST POSTPONE THE MINUTES TILL THE NEXT MEETING OR NOT.

I DON'T EVEN POSTPONE.

I'LL JUST TAKE IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, I GUESS.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL JUST PASS THEM ON THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT MEETING.

OKAY.

I'LL CHECK CONDITION WAYS ON ANDREW.

THE COMMISSIONER'S CORRECT.

UH, THE, UH, HERBIE ONE, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THERE'S A MAXIMUM JOLENE IN UNITS OF THREE, UM, DWELLING UNITS FOR THE ENTIRE LOT.

OH YEAH.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S ONE CORRECTION TO THE MINUTES.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, WHEN WE ADDRESSED THE BYLAWS,

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MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WE ALL, WE VOTED TO ADD CITY HALL, UH, TO THE LANGUAGE.

UH, THERE'S A INITIAL CLAUSE THAT I DON'T HAVE IN MY NOTES ANYWAY, UH, THAT WE, WE DID CHAIR COMMISSIONER LAYS ON EVERYWHERE.

SO THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ON THE DIOCESE OF, UM, THE COMMISSION BEING TIED TO THE LOCATION.

SHOULD THERE BE, UM, UNEXPECTED CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO THAT COVERS THAT, BUT WE DIDN'T, IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE MOTION.

IT WAS DISCUSSION.

UM, SO, UM, WELL I'M UM, AND SHE COULD TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER THAT, TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE MINUTES OR OKAY.

WHY DON'T WE JUST, WHY DON'T WE JUST POSTPONE AND COME AND MAYBE EVEN COME BACK? AND SO THE CONSENT HAS BEEN DONE? NO, THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

SO THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ALL OF THAT, THAT I SAID BEFORE, MINUS THE MINUTES.

SO IS THERE A MOTION COMMISSIONER SMITH.

OKAY.

AND IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY.

CHAIR FOR RAMIREZ, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

ANY AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? OH MY GOSH.

YES.

BEFORE WE ACTUALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER SMITH.

YES.

YEAH.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER KING.

DID THAT MOTION INCLUDE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS? IT DOES NOW.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANKS.

OKAY.

SO IF ANYBODY WAS HERE FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS THAT I MENTIONED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE SPEAK NOW AND IF NOT.

OKAY.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AGAIN, RAISE YOUR HAND AND MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

NOW TO BEGIN, WE'LL GET TO THE MINUTES LATER OR MAYBE EVEN NEXT TIME AND WHY DON'T WE GO

[B.1. Rezoning: C14-2021-0150 - Menchaca South; District 5]

TO B ONE? THE REZONING AND WENDY RHODES IS THE CASE MANAGER, EVEN COMMISSIONERS MADAM CHAIR.

MY NAME IS WENDY RHODES WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS KC 14, 20 21 0 1 50.

UH, THE ZONING AREA CONSISTS OF THREE PLATTED LOTS.

THEY HAVE, UH, SF THREE ZONING AND A W FOR CONTEXT, THE, THERE IS A SCHOOL AND A OFFICES AND A CHURCH TO THE NORTH THAT'S HAS LOC O ZONING KEEL BAR LANE HAS A UNDEVELOPED LAND AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND MANUFACTURED HOMES.

UM, AND SPECIFICALLY THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES IN MANUFACTURED HOMES TO THE EAST THAT HAVE DRM ZONING.

THERE ARE UNDEVELOPED LOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KEEL BAR, UM, AND PARTICULARLY AT THE CORNER OF KEELE BAR AND MAN CHECK.

UM, THERE ARE, UH, 23 TOWNHOUSE STYLE UNITS PLANNED FOR THOSE TWO ADDRESSES.

UM, THERE IS A DETACHED CONDOMINIUM COMMUNITY, UM, THAT FURTHER SOUTH THAT HAS ZONING AND TAKES ITS ACCESS TO MANSHACK ROAD.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE MF TWO, A ZONING DISTRICTS IN ORDER TO BUILD ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.

THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST BASED ON THE FOLLOWING CONSIDERATIONS.

IT IS LOCATED.

IT HAS FRONTAGE ON MANSHACK ROAD, AN ARTERIAL AND KEEL BAR, WHICH IS A LOCAL STREET.

THE PROPERTY IS SUITABLE FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MFT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT OFFICES TO THE NORTH AND THE EXISTING RESIDENCES ON KYO BAR AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT I JUST MENTIONED TO THE SOUTH.

AND, UM, MF TWO IS A REASONABLE OPTION FOR PARCELS, UH, TO BE DEVELOPED OR REDEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL INFILL.

UM, A CONCEPT CONCEPT PLAN WAS NOT PROVIDED WITH THIS APPLICATION AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT, UM, IT HASN'T ONE HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED YET.

UH, HOWEVER I HAVE ESTIMATED THAT UP TO 20 UNITS COULD BE ACHIEVED ON THIS 1.1 TO SEVEN ACRE PROPERTY.

UH, JUST A COUPLE UPDATES I DID, UH, ADDITIONAL BACKUP HAS BEEN UPLOADED TO THESE APP, A WEBSITE TODAY.

THERE WAS ADDITIONAL CORRESPONDENCE THAT CAME IN, I THINK, UM, AS OF YESTERDAY AND I ALSO, UH, TONIGHT DID RECEIVE PETITIONED INFORMATION FROM, UH, ADJACENT RESIDENTS.

I JUST RECEIVED THE ORIGINALS TONIGHT, BUT BASED ON MY INITIAL CALCULATIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, BASED ON THE SIGNATURES.

IT'S ABOUT 15% OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN 200 FEET, UM, HAS, HAS SIGNED AN OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING CHANGE.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL AS, UM, RESIDENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, WENDY.

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AND THEN, UM, I AM JUST PULLING UP THE LIST OF SPEAKERS AND LAURA BERKHART.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES.

HI, UH, MY NAME IS LAURA BERKHART, I'M THE MANAGER OF THE OWNER OF THESE PROPERTIES.

MANSHACK A SOUTH, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO CONSIDER OUR ZONING REQUEST.

AND I THINK WENDY DID A GREAT JOB OF LAYING OUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ARGUMENT FOR IT.

UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT POINTS.

UM, SO COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO, UM, Y GRANT MF TWO ZONING, SO I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT AND NEARBY USES IT ACHIEVES, UM, IMAGINE AUSTIN GOALS AND IT TAKES A STEP IN ADDRESSING AUSTIN'S HOUSING SHORTAGE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE COLOR CODED MAP THAT SHOWS YOU, UM, THE NEARBY USES, UH, THE YELLOW IS OTHER , UM, OR PROPERTIES.

UM, AND THE TWO THAT HAVE WERE APPROVED IN 2014, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, A WHILE AGO, UH, WHEN THE HOUSING CRISIS MAYBE WAS NOT AS SEVERE AS IT IS NOW.

UM, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE, THERE IS SORT OF A VARIETY OF USES, INCLUDING SF SIX AND SS THREE.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THE IMAGINE AUSTIN GOALS, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT ALONG, UH, CORRIDORS, UM, SO THIS PROPERTY WILL HAVE ACCESS FROM ROAD.

UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED ANY, UM, ACCESS ON KEEL BAR.

AND, UM, ANOTHER IMAGINE AUSTIN GOAL IS TO, UH, CREATE, UM, COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A MIX OF USES.

AND THE PREVIOUS SLIDE SHOWED, UM, THAT THE S THIS FITS WITH THE MIX OF USES IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT, PLEASE.

SO, UM, , UH, ZONING FOR THE SITE TAKES A STEP IN ADDRESSING AUSTIN'S HOUSING, HOUSING SHORTAGE.

AS YOU KNOW, IN YOUR OCTOBER 19TH MEETING THE S THE CITY DEMO, DEMOGRAPHER SHOWED THAT WHILE THE POPP AUSTIN POPULATION IS SURGING, THE RATE OF GROWTH OF NEW HOUSING HAS ACTUALLY DECREASED FROM 2010 TO 2020 NEXT.

AND THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEVELOPMENT OFFICER SAID THAT $11 BILLION WAS NEEDED TO ACHIEVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOALS AND COMMISSIONER SMITH RESPONDED BY SAYING, WE NEED TO BE PROVIDING MORE HOUSING EVERYWHERE FOR EVERYBODY, UM, AS A WAY OF, OF, UM, ADDRESSING THE HOUSING NEEDS NEXT.

AND AS YOU ALSO KNOW, IN THE OCTOBER MEETING, UM, THE, THE OFFICER SAID THAT THERE'S ALMOST NO UNDEVELOPED LAND.

AND SO IN FILL OPPORTUNITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE USED TO CREATE MORE HOUSING.

AND THIS SITE PROVIDES A PERFECT INFILL, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, CREATE MORE HOUSING NEXT.

AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR , UH, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE SAYS IT'S UP TO 23 ACRES PER ACRE, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR IT WITH NO CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST USE AND THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE HOUSING IN AUSTIN.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE, OF THE ZONING? AND IF NOT, THEN WE'LL GO TO THE PRIMARY SPEAKER AND OPPOSITION EUGENE SUTTON, AND YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS EUGENE SUTTON.

I'M PRESIDENT OF THE MATTHEWS LANE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

WE HAVE BEEN ASSISTING, CONCERNED NEIGHBORS OF THE REZONING CASE AT 1902 KILLED OUR LANE AND 76 0 2 AND 75 15 MEN CHECK A ROAD SIGNATURE COLLECTION TOWARDS A GOAL OF A VALID PETITION.

AS WENDY MENTIONED, WE'RE ABOUT 15%.

WE HOPE TO ACHIEVE THE THRESHOLD OF 20%.

THIS 1.127 ACRE PROPERTIES, SIMILAR TO OTHER REZONING CASES IN THE AREA.

HIGH UNIT DENSITIES APPEAR TO BE A COMMON TREND IN PART DUE TO CITY GROWTH AND CITY COUNCIL FOCUS, NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY, TRAFFIC ISSUES, DRAINAGE CONCERNS, OUTDATED, AND NON-EXISTENT INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE DISCUSSED WITH A LITTLE EFFECT.

HOWEVER, WHEN A VALID PETITION IS OBTAINED, THERE'S A STRONG LIKELIHOOD OF DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPERS CONSOLE.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH A DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT, AND WE AGAIN SPOKE THIS EVENING AND THE UNIT NUMBER IS 20.

OUR PETITION ASKS FOR 10 WE'RE, BOTH IN AGREEMENT

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OF TWO STORIES, SEPARATE HOMES AS ALWAYS DRAINAGE ISSUES WILL BE SUPPOSEDLY RESOLVED BY RETENTION PONDS AND TRAFFIC ISSUES AND ROAD NOISE OF MINDJACK ERODE ARE INCREASINGLY EFFECTIVE OF LIFE WITH NO EASY SOLUTION.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN WORKING ON SEVERAL REZONING PROJECTS AS WELL.

AND SINCE KIEL BAR EXTENDS TOWARDS THE RAILROAD TRACKS THAT HAS DAMON ROAD.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE ARE CONCERNED WITH NEARBY DEVELOPMENT.

THE MOST RECENT REZONING CASE WAS FOR US WAS NINE 11 AND NINE 15 DITMAR.

THE DEVELOPER WAS SEEKING 34 UNITS, TWO ROWS OF, OF ATTACHED HOUSES ON 1.48 ACRES AFTER LENGTHY NEGOTIATIONS NEGOTIATIONS, AND A VALID PETITION.

THE UNIT NUMBER WAS REDUCED TO 10 DUPLEXES, TWO CASES ON MATTHEWS LANE, ALSO INVOLVED PETITIONS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY THE ONE WITHOUT 20% ENDED UP WITH A MAXIMUM OF 10 UNITS ON SIX TENTHS OF AN ACRE.

THE OLDER CASE HAD UNIT NUMBERS REDUCED TO FOUR ON ONE ACRE AFTER INITIALLY AFTER INITIAL REQUESTED NUMBERS OF 12, THE MEN CHECKER KILL BY REZONING ALSO IS COMPLICATED WITH A SITE PLAN AT 1903 IN 1905 KEEL BAR.

THIS LESS THAN ONE ACRE AREA WILL HAVE 23 CONDOMINIUM CONDOMINIUM UNITS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM 1902.

AND THERE'S ALREADY A SITE PLAN FOR THAT TOSSING IN 20 UNITS ON 1902 KEEL BAR MEN CHECK, I SUCCESS.

EVEN WE FEEL THAT 10 IS MUCH MORE REASONABLE AND CERTAINLY WOULDN'T REWARD THE OWNER.

THE COMBINATION OF MEN CHECK A RACEWAY AND MULTIPLE UNITS ON AN UNIMPROVED NARROW ROAD FRAMED BY LIVE OAKS.

AND LONG-TIME NEIGHBORS IS ALREADY BEING EXCESSIVELY OVERDEVELOPED BY THOSE 23 CONDO UNITS, LET'S LIMIT THE NUMBER TO 10 AND TRY TO PROVIDE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY.

WE RECENTLY, I RECENTLY SPOKE REGARDING, UH, THE MOST RECENT ZONING CASE ON KEEL BAR, WHICH IS AT 1,809, I THINK, AT THE 1807 KILL BAR.

AND THE FINDING WAS SF THREE, UH, MR. CARR, WHO IS THE AGENT AND THE DEVELOPERS FINDING TO PUT TWO UNITS ON EACH PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WHEN WE SPEAK OF DENSITY, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE SPROUTED UP ON BOTH, UH, UH, MEN CHECK OUR 77 13, WHICH IS IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING IS HAVING PROBABLY OVER 250 UNITS.

UH, THERE'S A FIVE-STORY UNIT GOING IN, OR FIVE STORIES, 340 UNITS GOING IN ON TURTLE CREEK AND SOUTH FIRST, AND ALSO THERE'S CONSIDERATION OF 290 UNITS ON SOUTH FIRST AS WELL.

SO I THINK DENSITY IS BEING RESOLVED FAIRLY WELL AND RECOMMEND, AND THE PETITIONERS RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE 10 UNITS VERSUS 20.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND IS RUBIN PARIS HERE AND YOU'LL HIDE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

UH, HELLO.

I AM SPEAKING ON THIS, ON THIS SAME UNIT AND I'M, UH, I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS DOWN THE HILL FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I'VE SPOKEN WITH SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS TOO, AND THEY'RE CONCERNED JUST LIKE I AM ABOUT, UH, FLOODING ON THIS UNDERDEVELOPED UNSTANDARD ROW, WHICH IS IN SOME CASES, JUST 15 FEET WIDE, AND THERE IS NO PARKING ANYWHERE.

AND WE ARE CONCERNED THAT, THAT, UH, WITH ALL THESE UNITS, 23 TOWN HOMES ON ONE SIDE OF THE CUBE BAR AND 20 UNITS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT PARKING IS GOING TO, TO BE BLOWN OUT, MAYBE NOT IN THE FIRST FEW YEARS, BECAUSE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SMALLER FAMILIES ARE MOVING IN, BUT AS THEY GROW OLD, EVERYONE WANTS A CAR.

EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WANT A PARK SOMEWHERE.

THERE'LL BE DOWN OUR STREET AND THE ROAD CAN'T HANDLE IT.

UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR MAIN CONCERN DOWN AT THE HILL.

I RECOMMENDED, UH, TO, UH, JIM IS, UH, WENDY.

I FORGOT HER LAST NAME, UH, IN MY LETTER, UM, TO AT LEAST, UH, THE SAME ZONING AS THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH WAS SF SIX.

UM, UM, UH, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT ALL THE, UH, THE RUNOFF WILL BE CONTAINED IN THOSE PROPERTIES AND, UH, THAT THE STREET WILL BE IMPROVED IN THOSE AREAS, BUT I'M NOT HAVING GOTTEN ANY ASSURANCES OF THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR LOT, OR, UM, DOESN'T HAVE RIGHT NOW A PLAT.

SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE, BUT IF IT'S INITIALLY WAS THOUGHT TO BE THREE STORIES, BUT I HEARD NOW IT'S GOING TO BE TWO, BUT IT'S STILL RIGHT THERE.

THAT CORNER WOULD BE, UH,

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KIND OF BLOCKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HAVE IS JUST ONE STREET THAT ENDS WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC.

AND, UH, I THINK 20 UNITS IS WAY TOO MUCH, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR COMING HERE.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AND IF NOT, THEN THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL PERIOD.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL WINNINGHAM.

I'M WORKING WITH LAURA, BERKHART THE OWNER OF A PROPERTIES HERE ON CHOCOLATE AND KILL BAR.

AND SO JUST AS KIND OF A, JUST TO GIVE A COMPLETE RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE I THINK WE ALL HAVE CONCERNS AND WE ALL HAVE OBJECTIVES, AND WE WANT TO PRESENT A FULL AND COMPLETE CASE, UM, TO YOU GUYS.

UM, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A VALID PETITION, UM, UH, FOR, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN CONTRAST THIS ZONING.

AND WE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF A 10 OR 12 UNITS HERE.

UM, AS EUGENE MENTIONED, IT'S JUST NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT THEIR STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND MF TO, UM, AND IS NOT EVEN IN LINE WITH THE KIND OF HOUSING AND ZONING NEEDS THAT WERE ACCOMPLISHED IN 2014 NEXT DOOR TO THESE PROPERTIES.

UM, AND WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, OUTLINING, UH, THIS, THE HOUSING NEEDS AND, AND, AND CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE HOUSING NEEDS AND HAVING STANDARDS THAT ARE NOT EVEN MEETING 2014, UH, WE DON'T THINK ARE, ARE ACCURATE AND IN LINE WITH THE OBJECTIVES FOR THIS PROPERTY.

SO, UH, WE ARE JUST, UM, WANTING TO LOOK AT THIS FROM THE LENS OF 2021 AND THE NEEDS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, UTILIZING THE FULL ZONING CAPABILITIES OF MF TWO FOR THESE LOTS, BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S WHAT'S NEEDED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

NOW, IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE? OH, YES.

HUH.

IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.

BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND IT IS UNIQUE.

IT'S ALL NINE OF US.

OKAY.

AND COMMISSIONER KING, IS THAT A QUESTION? AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO ALTERNATE FROM SCREEN TO YES, IT IS.

AND IF I MIGHT START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION, IF THAT'S OKAY.

YES, PLEASE DO.

AND IT'S IN YOUR DISTRICT TOO.

SO YES, I VISITED THE SITE TODAY AND I WAS VERY FORTUNATE TO MEET A GENTLEMAN NAMED PETE MARTINEZ AND HE LIVES AT A 1902 CAL BAR LANE, AND HE LIVES IN A MOBILE HOME AND HE'S GOING TO BE DISPLACED FROM THIS PROJECT.

AND, UH, SO WHAT HE ASKED ME ABOUT WAS, UH, IF, YOU KNOW, IF HE WOULD BE GETTING ANY HELP, IF HE COULD GET ANY HELP TO RELOCATE HIS MOBILE HOME, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S HIS HOME.

AND, UH, SO, AND HE'S APPARENTLY RENTING THIS SIDE HERE BECAUSE HE'S NOT THE OWNER OF THE SITE, AS I UNDERSTAND.

SO HE'S RENTING, UH, I, I GUESS LEASING AND NOW THE SITE HAS BEEN PURCHASED AND BEING REDEVELOPED W POTENTIALLY BEING REDEVELOPED.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION AND CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS, IS THAT GENTLEMAN AND HOW IS HE GOING TO BE HELPED IN RELOCATING? AND I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED BY ANY OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT TONIGHT OR THE AGENT TONIGHT.

SO I HOPE WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT AND SOME SUPPORT AND HELP FOR MR. MARTINEZ.

UH, HE, HE MOWS LAWNS.

HE DOES, UH, WORK, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WORK AROUND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED HELP AROUND THE HOUSE OR HELP AROUND YOUR YARD, HE'S THAT KIND OF HANDYMAN, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.

AND SO IT, NOW HE SAYS, HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE IN CREEDMORE.

SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR RENTERS HAVING TO BE RELOCATED, TO PUSHED OUT INTO THE CITY.

AND HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T, HE WASN'T COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.

HE DID NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT.

HE WAS NOT, I AM THE ONE RELATING THIS CONCERN ABOUT DISPLACEMENT.

OKAY.

UM, SO MY QUESTION, UH, AND THAT, THAT CAN HELP, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T, THE APPLICANT IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD, BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT

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THE 1902, UH, IT WAS ON THE WATERSHED, UH, PROTECTION DEPARTMENT, PLOT PROBLEM, VIEWER MAT FOR LOCALIZED FLOODING IT'S AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE 1903 AND 1905 KILO BAR, WHICH WERE, WHICH WERE REFERENCED EARLIER TONIGHT, THAT DEVELOPMENT OF 23, UH, TOWN STOP TOWNHOUSE STYLE UNITS, RIGHT, RIGHT.

ACROSS THE STREET.

THAT'S ALSO IN A, UH, LOCALIZED FLOODING AREA, ACCORDING TO THE WATERSHED PROBLEM OF YOUR MAP.

SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE LOW, UH, ISSUES WITH LOCALIZED FLOODING HERE.

AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND WE NEED MORE CAPACITY HERE.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE.

THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT THERE ARE HERITAGE TREES ON THIS.

THERE'S AT LEAST ONE MASSIVE HERITAGE TREE.

AND THEN THERE ARE MULTIPLE WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD BELIEVE TO BE PROTECTED, UH, TREES, AND THEN OTHER TREES I COULDN'T GET ON THE SIDE.

I DIDN'T GO INTO THE SITE, UH, AND, AND MEASURE THE TREES, BUT THERE ARE MANY OF THEM ON THIS SIDE, IT'S VERY HEAVILY WOODED.

SO, AND THEN THE BACKUP SAYS THAT, UH, ATDS PREFERENCE WILL BE FOR THE SITE TO TAKE ACCESS, UH, TO THE LOWER CLASSIFICATION STREET, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE KILL BAR.

SO NOW INSTEAD OF, UH, YOU KNOW, EXIT, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS GOING TO MANCHAC, IT WOULD GO TO CAL BAR.

SO, AND KILGORE IS A SUBSTANDARD STREET, AS YOU KNOW, AND, UH, FROM THE BACKUP.

SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

SO I WONDER IF THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

APPARENTLY IT DID NOT REGISTER TO BE A SPEAKER.

SO, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

IT'S STILL DOING THAT HERE.

UM, SO YEAH, JUST TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AS THEY'RE REALLY, UM, THEY'RE REAL CONCERNS.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WHEN A PLACE IS THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED OR PURCHASED OR ACQUIRED, UH, WE HAVE, UH, AT TIMES WE HAVE TENANTS THAT ARE LIVING ON THOSE PROPERTIES.

UM, MR. MARTINEZ, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG MR. MARTINEZ HAS BEEN THERE, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, FOR MR. MARTINEZ TO HAVE SOME TIME, UH, TO FIGURE OUT HIS NEXT MOVES WITH A LEASE BACK TO HIM.

WE ALL KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, UM, PROPOSED UNDER, UH, MF TWO WOULD TAKE TIME.

I MEAN, JUST TO, UH, PLAN, UH, AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, BEST SUITS, UH, THE PROPERTY WOULD TAKE TIME.

SO, UM, WHILE MR. MARTINEZ IS PART OF THIS, UH, CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP, UM, UH, HE WILL, UH, HAVE TIME TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET ARE AFFORDABLE.

HOUSING IS A AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.

AND SOME OF THESE GROWING, UM, DENSITY OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TO FIND SOMETHING FOR MR. MARTINEZ.

UM, BUT, UH, IT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM OF, UH, OF JUST A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP.

AND SO I RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, AS FAR AS THE FLOODING, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF DEFER TO WENDY ON THAT, UH, ISSUE I'M NOT AS WELL-VERSED OR, OR SCHOOLED ON THAT.

UM, COULD YOU REPEAT EXACTLY, UH, SOME OF THE STATISTICS AND THE HISTORY ON THE FLOODING, UM, THAT EXISTS THERE ON, ON GILBAR? YES.

UH, THANK YOU.

AND THE WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT HAS A PROBLEM VIEWER MAP THAT SHOWS DIFFERENT KINDS OF FLOODING ISSUES, CREEK FLOODING, OTHER KINDS OF ISSUES.

AND THEN ONE OF THE ITEMS THEY HAVE IS LOCALIZED FLOODING, WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS OF LOCALIZED FLOODING AROUND, YOU KNOW, PER LOT OR SEVERAL LOTS.

AND THOSE WERE THE THREE SITES, 19 0 2, 19 0 3 AND 1905 KILL BARR LANE, WHERE THOSE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS LOCALIZED FLOODING AREAS.

SO, UH, THAT, THAT DOES CONCERN ME WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER GOING IN.

CAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT ANY IMPERVIOUS COVER IN THAT A LOT ON 19.

OH, AS YOU, AS YOU REFERENCED 19 0 3 9 205, WOULD THAT NEW HOUSING IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

IT'S NOT DEVELOPED YET.

IT'S VACANT AND A MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER WILL BE GOING THERE AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY ON THIS SIDE HERE.

SO THAT'S JUST WONDER HOW THAT ISSUE IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED WITH MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER COMING INTO AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH LOCALIZED FLOODING.

RIGHT.

AND I'M JUST WITH A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, EXPERIENCE ON THE SIDE OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.

UM, A GREAT, GREAT EFFORTS AND LINKS GO INTO, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, HERITAGE TREES IS YOU ALSO MENTIONED, UH, MR. KING, UM, AND THAT IS PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS AND WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT,

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UM, YOU KNOW, W W WHEN A DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, IS, UH, IS, IS IN THOSE STAGES.

SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A CONCERN.

UM, AND I THINK YOU HAD THREE OR FOUR QUESTIONS IN THERE, THE FLOODING I'M MAYBE GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF SPEND SOME TIME WITH, CAUSE I'M NOT AS, UH, WELL, UH, ACQUAINTED WITH, UH, THE HISTORY THERE.

UM, BUT, UH, THE, THE TREES WOULD BE PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS.

AND I THINK MR. MARTINEZ, UH, WOULD HAVE SOME TIME TO MAKE SOME DIFFERENT DECISIONS AS, UH, AS PLANNING GOES UNDERWAY FOR, FOR A PROJECT, UH, ON THESE PROPERTIES.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE DEFINITELY A CONSIDERATION THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THE LAST POINT I MADE WAS ABOUT TAKING ACCESS FROM THIS SITE, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO, TO, UH, KEEL BAR AS SUBSTANDARD STREET ALREADY.

I JUST HAVE CONCERNS.

DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT OR MAYBE WHEN YOU DOES? YEAH, WE BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE ACCESS ON MEN CHAKA, SO WE WOULD NOT NEED TO TAKE ACCESS FROM, FROM KEEL BAR.

WE COULD TAKE DIRECT ACTIVES FROM MINNETONKA.

THANK YOU.

AND MAYBE, UH, WENDY COULD MAYBE RESPOND TO THAT POINT ABOUT, UH, IT, IT WAS IN THE BACKUP THAT ATD PREFERS THAT THE SITE TAKE ACCESS FROM THE LOWER CLASSIFICATION STREET.

IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT, WENDY? UH, YES, THAT IS, UH, ATD PREFERENCE.

OKAY.

THAT, THAT ACCESS COME FROM, FROM THE LOWER CLASSIFICATION STREET, WHICH IS KEEL BAR.

UH, IF THERE HAD BEEN A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, A BETTER EVALUATION OF IT, BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT THEY, THEY PREFER IT TO COME FROM KIA VARGAS.

IT IS, IT IS THE LOWER CLASSIFICATION STREET.

IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE SITE DOESN'T MEET THE CITY REQUIREMENTS FOR DRIVEWAY, SPACING OR SPACING TO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE INTERSECTION OR FROM ANOTHER LOT, THEN ON MAN CHECK AND IT RESULTS IN A WAIVER TO THE CITY CODE, THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME FROM FROM KEEL BAR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RHODES.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INFORMATION.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN REGARDING FLOODING, UM, THE, THE PLANTS IN THIS AREA, DATE TO THE 1970S, AND RIGHT NOW, THIS IS AN SF THREE ZONE LOT.

SO ANY IF, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING IT'S REDEVELOPED OR THAT IT IS ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED UNDER A HIGHER ZONING CLASSIFICATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AND ABIDE BY CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS IT RELATES TO DRAINAGE, AS WELL AS HERITAGE TREES.

THANK YOU, MR. LTR.

APPRECIATE YOU INFORMATION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH.

I WAS GOING TO GO TO THE DYESS ANYWAY, LOOKING AT THE FLOOD MAP.

THIS IS NOT IN A LOT LESS BLOOD FLOW FRONT LAYER.

THERE'S NO CREEK, NO FEMA FLOOD PLANNING, THEIR WHOLE LOCALIZED FLOOD PLAIN AREAS ON THIS TRACK.

CAN YOU VERIFY THAT? SO I'M NOT COMMISSIONER KING SAID IT IS, BUT MAP I'M LOOKING AT, WHICH IS THE LOCALIZED MAP DOES NOT SHOW IT AS A LOCALIZED FLOODING AREA.

THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK UP.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD DO A LOCALIZED FLOODING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACK, BUT NONE ON THIS ACTUAL TRACK ARENA WHERE NEAR THIS ACTUAL TRACK, THERE WAS A WATER QUALITY TRAINING JURY, BUT NO LOCALIZED FLOODING AREAS.

SO I JUST WANT TO GET ON THE RECORD KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.

I CAN LOOK THAT UP, BUT I'M NOT SURE I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT TONIGHT.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND ACTUALLY IT BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT THAT I HAVE FELT THAT THESE REPORTS, AND I KNOW IT WOULD ALWAYS BE GOOD IF WE COULD GET THE LOCALIZED FLOODING INFORMATION AND THAT INSTEAD OF ALL OF US LOOKING IT UP, BUT THAT'S JUST A COMMENT.

AND HERE YOU SEE IT IN ACTION RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M GOING TO NOW GO TO, UM, UM, WHERE EVERYBODY'S DOING THEIR OWN RESEARCH, BUT, UM, NEXT I WILL GO ONTO LOOKING AT THE SCREEN IF ANYBODY HAS A HAND UP AND CHEER BARRERA RAMIREZ, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO Y'ALL.

I MEAN, I THINK JUST STRUGGLING AND I APOLOGIZE I'M A LITTLE SICK, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING LAND USE MF TWO MAKES COMPLETE SENSE FOR ME.

I MEAN, THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY IMF TOO.

THERE'S SOME VR, THERE'S SF TWO AND THREE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MANSHACK.

AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MAD CHECK OVER HERE, IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED FEET WIDE.

IT'S A HIGHWAY.

UM, I KNOW THAT I HEARD THE, ONE OF THE GENTLEMAN, THE NEIGHBORS SAY THAT HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING, WHICH I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, BUT I IMAGINE THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A METRO RAPID ROUTE.

WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE 10 MINUTES SERVICE COMING DOWN THIS WAY.

I MEAN, THIS IS, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A BUS STOP.

UM, I IMAGINE THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO BUILD SOME KIND OF SIDEWALK ON KILL BAR.

IF I, THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT'S TEXTED HIM RIGHT AWAY.

SO I AM SERIOUSLY DOUBT.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO POP A DRIVEWAY ON MEN

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SHAKKA, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THOSE ARE SORRY.

I'M KIND OF, UM, UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS IS THAT IT'S, IT'S MAKES SENSE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND YEARS.

LOOKING AT THE, I LOOKED AT THE FLOOD PRO MAP TWO, AND I LOOKED AT THE TOPO MAP AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A VERY GRADUAL, UH, CHANGE TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'D BE A PROBLEM I'M IN SUPPORTIVE, UH, MF TWO STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND COMMISSIONER BRAY, UM, WENDY, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS FOR FLOODING AND HERITAGE TREES, THOSE WOULD BE THE SAME REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING CATEGORY, CORRECT? CORRECT.

YEAH.

AT THE TIME IT WAS LIKE PLAN.

THEY WILL NEED TO SHOW THAT THEIR SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH CITY DRAINAGE, THE CITY DRAINAGE CRITERIA, AND AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, ABIDES BY THE HERITAGE TREE REGULAR AND THE, AND THOSE RULES LIKE REQUIRE THAT THERE'S LIKE NO ADVERSE IMPACTS NO INCREASE FLOODING AS A RESULT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF W WASN'T DEVELOPED UNDER THAT BEFORE THEY COULD ACTUALLY BE IMPROVING THE SITUATION, IF THEY'RE ADDING, YOU KNOW, UH, THE TYPE OF WATER RETENTION THAT DIDN'T ALREADY EXIST.

YEAH.

UH, AS I MENTIONED, THESE, SOME OF THESE LAWS WERE PLANTED IN THE 1970S AND THEIR DRAINAGE STANDARDS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME AS WHAT THEY ARE TODAY.

OKAY.

UM, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UH, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE, WOULD THERE BE A PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IF IT WAS LIKE 10 UNITS, AS OPPOSED TO 20 UNITS, WOULD THE PRICE PER UNIT BE EFFECTED BY THAT? UH, IS THERE LIKE ESTIMATES WHAT THAT WOULD BE VERSUS WITH 10 USERS VERSUS WHAT THE PRICE YOU WOULD, YOU HAVE 20 UNITS SO IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, RIGHT, YOU'RE ASKING THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE BUILD-OUT OR JUST EACH, I MEAN, THE, EACH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE UNIT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE 10 UNITS, WHAT WOULD BE A LIKELY PRICE PER UNIT VERSUS 20 UNITS WITH WHAT THAT PRICE DIFFERENCE MIGHT BE? UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 VERSUS 20 UNITS COSTS WOULD BE COMPARABLE.

I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A SQUARE FOOTAGE AND IT JUST, IT DOES DEPEND ON BATHROOMS AND BEDROOM COUNTS.

AND W AND YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF THREE OR FOUR THAT ARE STAYING THERE, THAT IS A, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, UM, UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT COST VERSUS HAVING A SERIES OF A ONE BEDROOM, SO EFFICIENCIES.

SO THE UNIT MIX DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON ALL OF THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ONE BATHROOM FOR EVERY BEDROOM THAT'S GONNA MAKE, THAT'S GONNA MAKE THE COSTS GO UP.

IF YOU HAVE ONE BATHROOM FOR THREE BEDROOMS, THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT IS GOING TO KIND OF GO DOWN.

SO IT KIND OF UTILITIES PLAY A ROLE IN THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IN TERMS OF SITE DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT TO IT THAT COULD BE AS WELL, UH, A DIFFERENTIAL, YOU HAVE MARKET RATE UNITS OR AFFORDABLE UNITS.

THOSE CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHAT KIND OF PLANNING AND COSTS GO INTO THAT.

SO, UM, UH, WELL, I GUESS I, IF SOMEONE ASKING ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD OUT PROBABLY WHAT YOU CAN WITH THE ZONING, AND IF YOU HAVE MORE UNITS ALLOWED, YOU MIGHT HAVE SMALLER UNITS OR THEY HAVE LIKE SMALLER YARDS.

AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S LIKE A KIND OF A NUMBER YOU COULD ATTACH IT.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S 20 UNITS ARE LIKELY TO BE A LOWER PRICE RANGE INDUSTRY, 10 UNITS, BECAUSE YOU JUST MIGHT HAVE SMALLER KNOW, DIVIDED THE LAND IN ONE MORE UNITS, YOU'RE DEFINING SOME OF THE COST AROUND.

OH, RIGHT.

UH, YEAH, IT REALLY, IT GETS REALLY COMPLICATED ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE TYPES OF UNITS.

SO IT'S KIND OF A HARD TO, HARD TO ANSWER EXACTLY AT THIS STAGE.

I JUST KNOW THAT THOSE BEDROOM, TWO BATHROOM COUNTS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROVIDE TO YOU THE NUMBER OF BATHROOMS AND UTILITIES AND ELECTRICITY, THAT ALL HAS A BIG IMPACT ON IT.

SO IT'S KIND OF A, IT REALLY, IT REALLY, IT NECESSITATES A MORE KIND OF A CLEANER, I KNOW SOMETIMES PEOPLE COME TO WITH THAT ESTIMATES THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET, WE CAN DO THIS, WE'LL DO THIS PRICE RANGE.

IF WE CAN DO THIS OTHER THING, WE'LL DO THIS OTHER PRICE RANGE, LIKE ROUGHLY OF UNITS.

SO YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S FINE.

I'VE JUST IN CASE YOU DID.

I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION.

OKAY.

I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION, IF, IF WE CAN BUILD, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR 50,000 SQUARE FEET, AND WE'RE SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE, UM, IF, IF THE ZONING ALLOWS US TO BUILD, FOR EXAMPLE, 50,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT'S DIVIDED INTO 10 UNITS, THEN EACH UNIT IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET.

WHEREAS IF IT'S 20 UNITS, EACH UNIT IS 2,500 SQUARE FEET.

AND SO NECESSARILY IF IT'S 10 UNITS, THE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE SMALLER UNITS.

IF THEY'RE 20 UNITS, NO.

IF YOU HAD ATTACHED A NUMBER TO THAT AT ALL YET, OR ESTIMATES, ESTIMATES

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FOR WHAT THE PRICE OF THE UNITS WOULD BE NOW, I HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET.

OKAY.

AND IS THERE A MOTION, UM, SINCE I DON'T SEE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, UM, I SEE, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER DANGLER.

I'M GOING TO LOOK THIS WAY.

YEAH.

I ACTUALLY HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HAND UP.

UM, WHEN DO YOU ASSIST LOCATED ON THE ACTIVITY QUARTER? WHICH MEANS HIGHER DENSITY.

I'M LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMENTS AND IT IS NOT LOCATED ON AN EXISTING ACTIVITY CENTER OR ACTIVITY CORRIDOR.

OKAY.

AND I, UM, I'M SO SORRY IN MY HASTE TO GET OUT.

I DIDN'T TAKE GOOD NOTES, BUT I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT ONE OF THOSE SUB THE SUBDIVISION PLAT ON KILL BAR STATED IT WAS THE C UH, SUBDIVISION CASE IN 1971.

IS THERE, UM, ANY ISSUE ABOUT WHO PAYS FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS? IS IT ON THE PART OF THE DEVELOPER FOR THE ROAD OR, OKAY.

YEAH.

I MEAN, IT WAS PLANTED AND AS, AND THEY'VE HAVE S3 ZONING, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO USE THOSE PLATS, BUT THEY'RE CHANGING THE USE.

THEY WOULD BE CHANGING THE USE OF THE PROPERTY FROM SF THREE.

SO THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CURRENT CODE.

OKAY.

AND I NOTICED ON THE MAP, IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING CAUSE WE WERE SEEING A LOT OF, UM, WHEN WE LOOK, I LOOKED AT THE MAP, I WENT, WAIT A MINUTE.

WE DID THAT SF THREE CASE.

AND IT WENT THROUGH.

SO THE ZONING HERE IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN MAYBE PORTRAYED IN THE MAP.

UM, WHEN WE APPROVE THE SF SIX, FOR EXAMPLE, I REMEMBER THE S THE ESTIMATE BEING 11 UNITS.

AND I WENT BACK AND CHECKED.

UM, AND BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS APPLYING NOW FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT IS JOB MOBILE.

UH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I APPROVED, IT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE 11 UNITS THAT MF TWO WITH THE CEO WAS LIMITED TO, UH, 17 UNITS.

IT WASN'T DOING THE FULL PARADE.

UM, AND THAT'S A MUCH LARGER TRACK.

THEN THIS CORNER TRACK IS, THIS IS 1.2.

AND THAT MF CEO, I THINK WAS WHAT, FIVE ACRES, 70 PER SPILLOVER.

YES.

THE, THE MF TWO IS THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY 17 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT WAS SO, WHICH IS AN DENSITY.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING I NOTICED ABOUT THE MAP IS SHE HAD A LOT OF M AGES ON IT.

HOW MANY MOBILE HOMES DO WE HAVE ACTUALLY LOCATED ON THIS STREET? WE UP THE ZONING TO THE SSF SIX, AND IT'S BEING DEVELOPED MORE DENSELY AND GOING TO BE DEVELOPED MORE DENSELY.

AND I DON'T THINK WE, I REALIZED HOW MANY MOBILE HOMES WERE ACTUALLY ON THIS, THIS STREET.

SO ARE THOSE LITTLE MH NOTICES ALL INDICATIVE OF WHERE A MOBILE HOME IS LOCATED, THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOCATED IN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE? YEAH.

YES.

YEAH.

THERE THEY'RE MOBILE HOMES LOCATED IN, IN DEVELOPMENT RESERVED.

THERE WAS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE THREE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF KEOUGH BAR.

THERE WAS ONE TO THE SOUTH THAT WAS REZONED TO SF THREE RECENTLY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER IF, IF I THINK THERE WAS A FIRE ON THAT, HOW ON THAT MOBILE HOME, BUT, BUT IT, IT WAS REZONED TO MFC AND THERE WASN'T ANY, THERE WAS, IT WAS VACANT WHEN IT WAS REALLY, AND THE LAST THING, IT WAS A COMMENT ABOUT HOW MANY UNITS SHE COULD CREATE AND DOESN'T MF TO REQUIRE LARGER SIZED APARTMENT.

UM, UNITS ARE NOT HA HOW DOES THAT WORK? DON'T, DOESN'T THE EFFICIENCY HAVE TO BE LARGER THAN SAY MP3 OR MP4.

DOESN'T THE ONE BEDROOM HAVE A LARGER SIZE.

DOESN'T THE TWO BEDROOMS HAVE A LARGER SIDE.

I THINK SO, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THROUGH THAT.

THAT'S WHERE THE CODE.

OKAY.

UM, SO THE EFFICIENCIES, I REMEMBER BEING PRETTY, PRETTY LARGE TOO.

OKAY.

AND IN TERMS OF THE SIDE AREA REQUIREMENTS YEAH.

AND CAN WE SUGGEST NO ACCESS TO A KILL BAR? EVEN IF IT WOULDN'T.

I LOOKED AT THE SPACING, THE SPACING WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET, BUT FOR A TYPE TWO DRIVEWAY, A LOT OF DETAIL ON THE BACKUP.

THANK YOU.

IT WOULDN'T MEET REQUIREMENTS.

THEY WOULD NEED 120, UM, AND WHO, AND AGAIN, TECH STOCK, UH, DOESN'T ALWAYS WEIGH IN, UM, MAY NOT APPROVE IT, IT'S THEIR CALL.

SO I VERY WELL CONCEDE THAT THIS, THE

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ACCESS BE TAKEN FROM HEEL BAR.

AND I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

YEAH.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT AS A CONCERN, UH, YOU COULD PROHIBIT IT BY WAY OF ORDINANCE.

AND THEN AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN, IF IT DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULDN'T TAKE ACCESS TO MANCHESTER BECAUSE OF SPACING REQUIREMENTS THROUGH TXDOT OR THE CITY, THEN THAT MAY REQUIRE A WAIVER OR A VARIANCE THAT WOULD THEN HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, COME TO THE COMMISSIONER BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD COME TO THE COMMISSION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

W WHAT THE, I MEAN, AS, AS THE SITE PLAN, SORRY, IT WOULDN'T BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE SITE PLAN.

I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A WAIVER FOR DRIVEWAY SPACING ON IT.

I DO REMEMBER ONE OFF OF SLAUGHTER LANE AND CHISHOLM LANE WHERE WE PROHIBITED ACCESS TO CHISHOLM, AND THEN IT RESULTED IN A VARIANCE TO A VARIANCE AT THE TIME OF, OR IT WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANKS.

AND COMMISSIONER SMITH.

YOU HAD A QUESTION? NOPE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

GO AHEAD.

UM, DAVID HAS GOT A QUESTION.

OH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER KING? I'M SORRY.

YES, CHAIR.

UH, AND, UH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID HE COULDN'T FIND THAT DATA THAT I REFERRED TO, BUT I HAD IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.

IT'S ON THE MAP.

IF YOU CAN SHARE THE SCREEN, I CAN SHOW YOU THOSE THREE SITES ARE SHOWN AS AREAS THAT HAVE IDENTIFIED AS, AS LOCALIZED FLOODING.

THOSE THREE ADDRESSES.

I SAID 1902 KALE BAR, 19.

OH, UH, FIVE KILO BAR AND, UH, 1,903 THERE ON THE MAP.

I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU.

I WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD THAT I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.

I DID NOT JUST PULL THIS OUT OF THIN AIR.

AND, UH, SO I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD AND WE MIGHT HAVE SOME CONTRADICTIONS.

YEAH.

DO YOU MEAN, UM, DO YOU MEAN THE GREEN ON THE, UM, DOTS THEY'RE BLUE DOTS COMMUNITY, ARE YOU USING, YOU'RE NOT USING A WATER PROTECTION MASTER PLAN, PROBLEM SCORE VIEWER.

OH, I KNOW WHAT HE'S USING.

YEAH.

YES.

AND IT'S THOSE THREE, THOSE THREE, THERE ARE BLUE DOTS AND IT SAYS THAT THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED PROBLEM FOR COMMUNITY TO REPORT IT.

FLOODING LOCATIONS.

THAT'S YES.

YES.

THAT'S HOW THE CITY TRACKS LOCAL, THESE LOCALIZED FLOODING ISSUES.

THEY COMMUNITY CALLS, INTERVIEWS.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT MAP FROM WHAT I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT.

YES.

OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD THAT I'M NOT, I'M NOT, YEAH.

THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE LIKE A WATERSHED, A LITTLE LOCALIZED FLOODING THING, BECAUSE I CAN'T CALL IT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO CALL UP THAT MAP.

SO, BUT WE WILL JUST SAY, SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT MAPS OUT THERE AND NOW IS THERE GOING TO BE COMMISSIONER GREENBERG GREENBERG? WELL, UM, ONE SUGGESTION IS THE COMMISSIONER KING COULD, UM, TAKE A SCREENSHOT AND EMAIL THAT TO THE STAFF LIAISON WHO COULD FORWARD IT.

ANOTHER IS PERHAPS WE SHOULD JUST POSTPONE UNTIL WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SAME KNOWLEDGE.

I MEAN, THE ZONING IN FLOOD IS NOT AN ISSUE.

THE TIED TOGETHER, UM, THE ZONING IS WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE LAND.

USE THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THE ORDINANCES ADDRESS, FLOOD PLAIN TREE ORDINANCES, ALL THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME OF THE SITE PLAN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ZONING IS.

WELL, THAT'S A POINT OF VIEW.

YES.

THAT IS MY POINT OF VIEW.

THE LAND DID NOT INCLUDE , THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

THAT'S OUR BYLAWS.

UM, CAN I GET ONE MORE POINT OF INFORMATION? UM, COMMISSIONER DANGLER, MS. RHODES, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE SUBDIVISION CASES, ONE OF THE LOTS WAS ADS DRESSED AS, UM, THAT THE 7 5 1 5 MEN CHECK ROAD SUBDIVISION PLAT SET.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ADDRESSED AS SEVEN, FIVE TO ONE MEN CHECK ROAD.

IS THAT A NOTIFICATION ISSUE AT ALL? OKAY.

I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING.

I WENT INTO YOUR SUBDIVISION CASES CAUSE I'M CRAZY.

UH, AND I AM TRYING TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SITE PLANS.

SO, UM, WHAT I NOTICED ON ONE OF THOSE FILE PLANTS IS THAT THAT 75 1 5, UM, MANCHESTER ROAD WAS, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ADDRESSED AS 75 TO ONE.

SO THE REASON I'M ASKING

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THIS IS IF WE DIDN'T NOTIFY CORRECTLY, UM, IT MIGHT MERIT A POSTPONEMENT, BUT IF, IF THIS IS THE ACTUAL ADDRESS, THAT 7 5 1 5.

OKAY.

EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON THE PLAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND THEN COMMISSIONER KING, UH, CHAIR, UH, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GET THE DISCUSSION STARTED TO GET US STARTED ON THE DISCUSSING THE EMOTION.

OKAY.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

I ACTUALLY, I KNOW COMMISSIONER SMITH WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, SO WHY DON'T I GO TO HIM? CAUSE HE WAS FIRST.

YEAH.

I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR MF TWO FOR THIS TRACK.

I LIKE ALL THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC AND TREES WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE SITE PLAN PHASE.

AND I DO SEE THE MAP YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DAVID.

UM, SO I DO, IT'S NOT IN A COLORED AREA, BUT THERE ARE DOTS ON THOSE TRACKS.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT, AND I, THAT IS SOMETHING, OH, FIRST IS THERE A SECOND FOR ME? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER BRAY.

AND ACTUALLY, I WANT TO POINT OUT THANK YOU FOR BOTH OF YOU FOR POINTING OUT MAPS AND ALSO FOR COMMISSIONER KING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT IS A MAP THAT I HAVE RELIED ON BEFORE, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW I, I STUMBLE ACROSS IT, BUT I KNOW THAT WATERSHED DID SH SHARE IT WITH ME.

IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT MAP BECAUSE IT'S, SELF-REPORTING FLOOD LOCALIZED FLOODING AND ESPECIALLY, CAUSE I NOTICED ON THE OTHER MAP THAT THIS AREA HAS NOT BEEN MODELED FOR FLOOD PLAINS.

SO, UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND TOO.

AND I'LL SAY I'M GONNA OPPOSE, OR I WOULD EITHER OPPOSE OR I WOULD, UM, PREFER TO SEE, UM, UH, THE CEO THAT IS GIVEN FOR THE OTHER PROPERTIES OR THE SF OR SF SIX.

BUT, UM, BECAUSE I JUST BELIEVE IN CONSISTENCY IN THIS AREA.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SO I'LL JUST BE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER GREEN.

I WOULD ALSO OPPOSE THE MOTION.

UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING USES, I DON'T REALLY SEE SUPPORT FOR MF TO, UM, EVEN THE, THE PROPERTY THAT SEEMS MOST INDICATIVE OF WHAT THE ZONING SHOULD BE HERE IS THE ONE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS SF SIX.

UM, AND THEN FURTHER SOUTH, THE HAS A CEO, WHICH EFFECTIVELY PUTS THE DENSITY THE SAME AS .

SO I DON'T REALLY SEE SUPPORT WITH THE SURROUNDING USES FOR ME TO SAY MF TO, UM, GIVEN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

I'M GOING TO OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, NOT FOR SF SIX, BUT FOR SFI FIVE SIMPLY BECAUSE SF FIVE ALSO TRIGGERS COMPATIBILITY AND THERE IS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FOR SF FIVE I'LL SECOND.

ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DO WE JUST WANT TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION? AND I SEE, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, TAMARA QUESTION.

WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT? UM, THAT'S TRUE.

SINGLE FAMILY.

A COUPLE OF LOTS.

NO YOU'RE ALLOWED, UM, TOWNHOUSE AND CONDOMINIUMS UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BECAUSE IT LOOKS JUST LIKE SF SIX EXCEPT FOR THE COMPATIBILITY, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE ON MISSING SFI HAS AN H HAS A MAXIMUM OF 10 UNITS ON THE PROPERTY PERIOD, PERIOD.

NO, NO MATTER WHAT THE SIZE AND THEN IT ALSO SFI DOES NOT TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY WITH SF SIX DOES, BUT NOT SFI.

OH, THAT'S A CONDITION.

OKAY.

I'M GOOD.

OKAY.

OR LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.

SFI DOESN'T RESULT IN COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT HOUSES ON GILBAR IT'S UP TO 10 UNITS.

SF SIX DOES TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT HOUSES ON KEEL BAR, BUT NOT SO FAR TO TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY.

YES.

YES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

TRIGGERS, BUT IT WON'T BE GET COMPATIBILITY PROTECTION ITSELF.

W I'M SORRY.

W W FOR WHICH DISTRICT ARE YOU SPEAKING? YEAH.

TO THE, IN WHAT SENSE ARE YOU SAYING MF TWO TRIGGERS, COMPATIBILITY ZONING OR PROJECT

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WOULD TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY OR WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE COMPATIBLE WITH COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS TO THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY AND NON SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON KYO BAR, RIGHT? UM, YEAH.

MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF, BUT UM, NOW, WELL, I ALREADY MADE A MOTION, SO I THINK IT'S JUST WITH THE EMPHASIZING AGAIN, THAT THIS IS LIKE GOING TO HAVE A RAPID BUS ROUTE IT'S ON A PRETTY MAJOR SIGNIFICANT STREET THAT LOW DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS WHAT MF TWO IS, SEEMS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE ON A PLACE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE 10 MINUTE RAPID BUS SERVICE.

YEAH, I AGREE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER WOODY.

HEY, HEY, SORRY.

YEAH, I THINK MICROSOFT IS JUST THAT STREET.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT ACROSS FROM, UH, KIBERA, RIGHT? YES.

UH, SO BOTH OF THOSE, I GUESS BOTH OF THOSE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO BE MAKING, UH, DEVELOPING BEST STREET IN ORDER FOR THE TRAFFIC TO COME OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

RIGHT.

SO WOULDN'T LIKE AN SF SIX, UH, YOU KNOW, AS IN THE OTHER ONE, SF SIX.

YEAH.

I WOULD CHANGE MY MOTION, BUT THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A SECOND, SECOND CALL SUPPORT.

IF YOU WANT TO JUST CHANGE IT TO SF SIX, I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE KSF SIX TO MATCH, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

FIRST OF SF SIX AND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

HEY, COMMISSIONER, DINKLER COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, COMMISSIONER.

KOBASA GREENBERG KING AND WOODY, ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

COMMISSIONER BRAY, COMMISSIONER SMITH AND CHAIR BURRELL RAMIREZ.

SO THE MOTION PASSES FOR SF SIX.

AND SO WE ARE, SO THAT IS THAT.

AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY WHO SHOWED UP.

I KNOW THAT IT'S A REAL HASSLE COMING HERE DURING RUSH HOUR, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL BE SCHEDULING THIS CASE FOR JANUARY THE 27TH.

OKAY.

THANKS CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY.

AND NEXT ON IS THE WATERSHED PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE BEEN ALL WAITING FOR AND

[C.1. Watershed Protection Department’s Environmental and Floodplain Review Process. ]

C1, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, REBECCA MCKAY FOR DOING IT.

AND I SAW YOU POPPING UP A REVIEW, YOUR NAME POPPING UP AND REALLY SUPER APPRECIATED OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

I'M LIZ JOHNSTON, DEPUTY ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER WITH THE WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT.

AND JOINING US VIRTUALLY IS REBECCA MCKAY AND RECENTLY APPOINTED SUPERVISING ENGINEER OVER OUR FLOODPLAIN REVIEW STAFF, HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY.

UM, UH, THIS CAME ABOUT AS SOME, UH, OVER TIME WITH SOME QUESTIONS RELATED TO ZONING CASES THAT HAVE COME UP BOTH TO MY GROUP AND THE FLOOD PLAIN REVIEW GROUP.

AND WE JUST WANTED TO COME HERE AND HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL BRIEFING, BUT IT REALLY JUST HAD THAT AS A STARTING OFF POINT FOR EXPLAINING WHERE WE ARE, HOW DO WE FIT IN TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS AND START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW CAN WE BEST ANSWER QUESTIONS AND HELP YOU OUT WITH, WITH, UH, ZONING CASES, ESPECIALLY.

SO NEXT SLIDE, ALL RIGHT.

UM, JUST A BASELINE.

SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO.

WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT.

WE PROTECT LIVES PROPERTY AND THE ENVIRONMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY BY REDUCING THE IMPACT OF FLOOD EROSION AND WATER POLLUTION.

SO THOSE THREE MISSIONS, FLOOD EROSION, WATER QUALITY GET KIND OF DRAINED, UH, DRUMMED INTO OUR HEADS.

THOSE ARE OUR THREE MISSIONS.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND, UM, I DID WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME EXPLAINING WHAT THE REALIGNMENT THAT THE DEPARTMENT WENT UNDERWENT OVER THE SUMMER, UM, AND HOW THAT AFFECTED

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THE WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT IT'S DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

UM, SO, UH, WE HAVE FIVE BRANCHES, UM, UNDER THE DIRECTOR, OF COURSE, OUR HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE, UH, SUPPORT SERVICES, UM, AND THEN, UM, FIELD OPERATIONS GROUP WHO, UM, GO OUT EVERY DAY IN THE FIELD, UM, AND, UH, UH, FIX STORM DRAINS, UH, REMOVE DEBRIS FROM WATERWAYS.

WE HAVE PROJECT DESIGN AND DELIVERY BRANCH.

NOW THIS IS A NEWLY CREATED BRANCH FOCUSING ON, UM, GETTING PROJECTS DONE AND COMPLETED.

AND THEN IN THE GROUP OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TODAY, WE ARE IN THE PLANNING, MONITORING AND COMPLIANCE BRANCH.

THIS IS ALSO A BRAND NEW BRANCH.

THAT WAS PART OF THE REALIGNMENT THAT STARTED IN JANUARY, SORRY, JULY OF THIS YEAR.

UM, WE ARE ALL UNDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER SLASH ASSISTANT DIRECTOR NOW.

SO IN THE PAST, UH, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER MAY HAVE HAD FEWER PEOPLE REPORTING TO THEM.

NOW WITH THIS NEW REALIGNMENT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER HAS ALL THE PLANNING AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY AND REVIEW, WHICH IS MY DIVISION, ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE AND MONITORING.

THOSE ARE LIKE THE SPILLS RESPONSE.

UM, ALL OF THE SCIENTISTS ARE THERE, UM, POND INSPECTIONS, UM, AND THEN THE FLOOD PLAN OFFICE.

SO WE ARE ALL UNDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER.

UM, AND SO THE, MY POSITION DEPUTY ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER WAS CREATED BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER WILL, UH, THERE'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE TOO BUSY, COMPLETING THE, THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE TRADITIONALLY WITH, UH, WITH, UH, WITH RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT CASES AND PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, AND BY VARIANCE REVIEW FOR ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCES.

UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S MY, MY ROLE IS HANDLING A LOT OF THE, KIND OF THE DAY-TO-DAY IN THE WEEDS, TECHNICAL, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE WITH, WITH DEVELOPMENT CASES.

AND SO IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU USED TO SEE MAYBE CHRIS HARRINGTON SHOW UP AT THESE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, IT WILL LIKELY BE ME.

UM, IN THE FUTURE, WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE AN INTERIM, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN, UH, SARAH HARTLEY.

UM, WE DO HAVE A NEW ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER WHO HAS BEEN APPOINTED.

I'M EXCITED TO SAY KATIE COIN WILL BE JOINING AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN DECEMBER.

UM, I THINK DECEMBER 5TH AND THEN SARAH WILL BE, WE'LL GO BACK TO HER ASSISTANT DIRECTORSHIP OVER, UH, SUPPORT SERVICES WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

UM, WE ARE FUNDED PRIMARILY BY THE DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE AND EXCITING NEWS.

THE DRAINING DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE TURNS 30 YEARS OLD THIS WEEK, WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL THIS WEEK.

AND, UM, THERE'VE BEEN VERY NERDY EMAILS GOING OUT ABOUT THAT AND OUR DEPARTMENT, SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO US.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT, LIKE MOST OF OUR PROJECT DESIGN AND DELIVERY AND MOST OF OUR EVERYTHING IS PAID FOR BY THE DRAINAGE UTILITY FUND, EXCEPT FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WHICH IS NOW IN THE RECENT YEARS, A FEE FOR SERVICE.

AND SO ALL OF THE REVIEWS THAT WE DO, WE GET PAID FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UM, THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

UM, AND I WILL SAY WITH THE DUFF FUNDING, THERE'S LIMITED, UM, LIMITED IT'S LIMITED, WHAT WE CAN SPEND THAT MONEY ON.

IT HAS TO BE REALLY DIRECTLY RELATED TO STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, EROSION, WATER QUALITY, UM, ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE.

OKAY.

NEXT SLIDE.

OH, AND I FORGOT TO MENTION ON THAT LAST SLIDE, WE ARE STARTING OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS AS WELL.

SO I IMAGINE YOU'LL HEAR A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT IN THE COMING MONTHS AND YEARS.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF JUST LAY OUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHAT THE ORDER OF PROCESS IS.

SO IT SAYS THE ORDER PROCESS NEEDS TO BE, YOU NEED TO HAVE ZONING FIRST, THEN SUBDIVISION, THEN SITE PLAN, AND THEN BUILDING PERMIT.

I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY THERE ALWAYS NEEDS TO BE INSPECTIONS AS WELL ONCE, ONCE THE, UH, THE PROJECT IS UNDERWAY AND BEING, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTED, UM, AND THAT ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE YOU CAN GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UM, WATERSHED PROTECTION.

OUR AREA OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS 25 7 FOR DRAINAGE, 25 8.

SUBJECTOR A FOR WATER QUALITY, UM, 25 8 SUBJECTOR B UM, THERE'S A