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YEP.

OKAY.

WELL,

[CALL TO ORDER 4:00pm-4:05pm]

UM, WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING.

I'M COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ.

I'M SITTING IN FOR COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, WHICH WASN'T ABLE TO JOIN US TODAY.

UM, WE HAVE QUORUM, UM, AND I THINK, UM, MS. JACKSON, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS? OKAY.

OKAY.

UM,

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – November 1, 2021 4:20pm-4:25pm]

BARRING THAT, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE MINUTES REALLY QUICKLY.

UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES BARRING NONE AND JUST ACCEPT THEM AS IS DEEMED APPROVED THEMED APPROVED AS IS.

OKAY.

AND THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

WE HAVE A PACKED AGENDA TODAY.

UM,

[2.a. Public Safety Organizations Quarterly Report – Austin Travis County EMS (sponsors: Commissioner Hausenfluck and Gonzales) 4:25pm-4:40pm]

THE FIRST WILL BE, UM, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ORGANIZATION, QUARTERLY REPORT FROM EMS. UM, THERESA GARDENERS HERE.

HI, THE HECK.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M TERESA GARDNER.

I'M THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WITH THE EMS DEPARTMENT.

AND THIS IS, IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE ALL OF YOU TODAY.

I'M STARTING WITH OUR, UH, QUARTERLY REPORT.

UM, WE HAVE OUR RESPONSE PERFORMANCE, UM, BY MONTH THAT HAS THE DISTRICTS RIGHT DOWN WITH THE PARTY ONE INCIDENTS AND OUR RESPONSE TIME FOR THE 90TH PERCENTILE IN THAT, AND ALSO OUR OVERALL RESPONSE PERFORMANCE IN ALL COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE, UM, IN THIS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

CAN YOU JUST PROVIDE US ON THE PRIORITY ONE? WHAT MAKES IT IN COMPLIANCE ON PRIORITY ONE? WHAT MAKES IT IN COMPLIANCE? WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? UM, THE TIMEFRAME FOR A PARTY ONE CALL IS NINE FIFTY ONE, THESE 9 59.

THOSE ARE OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY INCIDENTS THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CARDIAC ARREST, UH, SEVERE RESPIRATORY, OUR FRIDAY ONE TRAUMA.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE OR IN PERSON? OKAY.

THAT WAS EASY AND QUICK.

AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THIS INFORMATION A DIFFERENT WAY OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

UM, OUR NEXT, UM, DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE IS OUR STAFFING.

OKAY.

UM, AS WE HAVE HERE, OUR AUTHORIZED STRENGTH BEFORE THE LAST PAY PERIOD WAS 664 SWORN FTES, UH, 540 OF THOSE ARE OUR CURRENT WITH 109 CURRENT VACANCIES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL VACANCIES THAT, UH, BECOME AVAILABLE THREE DIVISION CHIEFS IN JANUARY, UH, CAPTAIN CLINICAL SPECIALISTS AND MEDICS IN SEPTEMBER, WE JUST HELD A TESTING FOR PERMISSION TO CLINICAL SPECIALIST ON DECEMBER 1ST OR 28TH HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THAT TEST.

THAT'S IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, THE FINALIZING OF THE TEST SCORES SO THAT WE KNOW HOW MANY FROM THAT LIST, WE'LL BE PROMOTING INTO THOSE PHYSICIANS.

BEGINNING IN JANUARY, WE WILL START TESTING EVERY 90 DAYS TO START INCREASING THE TESTING FREQUENCY SO THAT WE CAN INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.

WE STARTED AN ACADEMY TODAY WITH 14 CADETS.

TWO OF THOSE ARE FOR OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER, 12 ARE FOR THE FIELD, AND THEN OUR NEXT ACADEMY DAYS WILL BE IN MARCH, JULY AND OCTOBER FOR ENTRY-LEVEL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

SO OF THE 61 CLINICAL SPECIALISTS THAT ARE OPEN, UM, SO YOU'VE TESTED FOR 28 OF THOSE, AND YOU THINK THAT THROUGH THE 90 DAY CYCLE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FILL ALL THOSE.

WE, WE HAD 28 THAT SIGNED UP FOR THIS PARTICULAR TEST.

WE HAVE, UM, APPROXIMATELY 90 THAT ARE ELIGIBLE WITH THEIR CERTIFICATION TO BE ABLE TO TEST AS WE HAVE MORE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO STUDY, TAKE THE PROMOTIONAL TEST AND THEN GET INTO THE TRAINING PROCESS.

WE DO EXPECT THAT THAT WILL INCREASE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER BARNHART.

UM, DO YOU ANTICIPATE, OR WHEN DO Y'ALL ANTICIPATE, UM, BEING ABLE TO FILL ALL THE CURRENT VACANCIES, WE ARE THE TIMELINE TO FILL THOSE, UM, IS GOING

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TO BE A LITTLE EXTENDED, UM, BASED ON THE TESTING PROCESS, THE NUMBER OF VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE TRAINING, UH, TIME THAT IT TAKES TO GET THOSE FILLED.

UM, SO WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT OVER THE YEAR THAT WE WILL CLOSE THE GAP.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE COMPLETELY FILLED, BUT WE ARE ACCELERATING SOME OF OUR PROCESSES TO TRY TO CLOSE THAT GAP.

WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE TO GETTING EVERYTHING THE POSITIONS FILLED? THE, UH, OUR BIGGEST GAP IS AT THAT CLINICAL SPECIALIST FOR THE FIELD POSITION.

UM, AND SOME OF THOSE OBSTACLES ARE HIRING PEOPLE IN THAT ALREADY HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION.

WE HAVE AN INTERNAL PARAMEDIC PROGRAM THAT WE CAN PUT PEOPLE THROUGH THAT TAKES TIME TO DO.

AND THE OTHER OBSTACLES ARE JUST THE, THE, THE TRAINING PROCESS.

ONCE YOU GET INTO THAT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN OBSTACLE, IT'S JUST TAKES TIME TO GET THROUGH, UM, THE CLINICAL CREDENTIALING PROCESS FOR THOSE PHYSICIANS.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH WHAT THOSE PROCESSES LOOK LIKE, HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY OF THEM? HOW CAN WE MAKE THEM MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE TO PROMOTE INTO? YEAH, I GUESS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT WAS IF IT, IF COMPENSATION OR BENEFITS OR ANYTHING HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, OR IF IT WAS JUST PURELY A TIMING ISSUE, THERE, THERE COULD BE SOME OF THAT COULD BE THE COMPENSATION PIECE OF IT.

WE JUST STARTED BARGAINING IN NEGOTIATIONS IN THE PAST WEEK.

UM, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, WORKING THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES TO, UM, I HAD ONE QUICK FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.

UM, I NOTICED THERE WERE 14 CADETS THAT WILL, THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT CLASS.

WHAT'S THE CAPACITY FOR THE CADET CLASS, HOW WE CAN HAVE UP TO 30 PEOPLE IN A CLASS TO 30 PEOPLE.

OKAY.

AND IS IT NORMAL FOR YOU GUYS TO BE AT HALF CAPACITY FOR CADET CLASSES? YEAH, IT'S VARIED.

WE'VE HAD, UM, CLASSES THAT HAVE BEEN AT CAPACITY AND WE'VE HAD CLASSES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, THIS AT THIS LEVEL.

UM, SOME OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A TIMEFRAME TO THE HOLIDAYS STARTING IN DECEMBER IS NOT A GREAT START DATE.

WE OPEN ANOTHER HIRING PROCESS, SO THAT JUST CLOSED THE END OF NOVEMBER.

SO THEY'RE REVIEWING APPLICATIONS FOR THAT TOO, SO THAT WE CAN START LOOKING INTO FILLING THAT NEXT ACADEMY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

EXCUSE ME, NELLIE.

YEAH, COMMISSIONER RUBBER.

GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER WEBER.

I THINK WE CAN HEAR YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

ROCKY IS TRYING TO GET INTO THE MEETING.

OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M IN.

THANKS.

GREAT.

UM, JUST CHECKING IN WITH EVERYONE ONLINE TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

ROCKY, GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER LANE.

HELLO.

HI.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

I JUST WAS CURIOUS WITH US COMING INTO ANOTHER REALLY TOUGH WINTER SEASON.

UH, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO THINK, JUST GET REALLY QUICK UPDATE FROM YOU ON WHAT OTHER THINGS WE'RE SEEING THAT MIGHT NEEDED, OR IF YOU'RE FEELING LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH FOLKS FOR ANY, ANY CALL VOLUME CHANGES WE MIGHT SEE COMING THROUGH THE WINTER AND ANYTHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK ON ON THAT.

AND ALSO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK MORE ON WHAT MIGHT BE BEING ASKED FOR AS FAR AS COMPENSATION CHANGES, UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO AT LEAST KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN KNOW THAT NOW, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IT EVENTUALLY THINKS YEAH.

FOR THE COMPENSATION ISSUE.

I, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO A LOT OF THAT SINCE WE JUST STARTED NEGOTIATIONS, UM, THIS PAST WEEK.

UM, THOSE ARE CERTAINLY ITEMS THAT WE'RE ALL INTERESTED IN IN TERMS OF RECRUITING AND RETENTION.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS THAT I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT AT THIS TIME.

UM, TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION ABOUT STAFFING THROUGH THE WINTER, WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY EVALUATING WHAT THAT STAFFING LOOKS LIKE, WHAT OUR STAFFING PATTERNS LOOK LIKE.

UM, WE JUST DECIDED TO ELIMINATE THE SECONDARY OCP LIST THAT WE'VE HAD.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME THAT WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO WORK DURING THIS TIME, TOO.

SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO EVALUATE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BASED ON WHAT OUR CURRENT

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STAFFING IS.

THANK YOU.

SORRY, I CAN'T UNMUTE ON THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT IS IT FOR THIS ITEM.

UM, MOVING ON, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED

[2.b. Legislative update (sponsors: Commissioner Ramirez and Gonzales) 4:40pm-5:10pm]

ON OUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATE.

UM, I THINK BRONCO IS JOINING US ONLINE TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT.

AND, UM, JUST GO AHEAD.

GOOD EVENING.

A BRIEF BRONCO INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

I WAS ASKED BY THE CHAIR TO REALLY PRESENT SPECIFICALLY ON THREE BILLS.

UM, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT REAL QUICKLY HERE, UM, AND JUST GIVE YOU THE VERY HIGH LEVEL, UM, ANALYSIS OF THOSE BILLS.

WELL, LET ME PULL UP.

OH, GREAT.

THANK YOU, CITY HALL.

I, UH, IT, DO YOU HAVE MY PRESENTATION OR I CAN PULL IT UP IF YOU DON'T, WE'RE PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW.

PERFECT.

WONDERFULLY PREPARED AS ALWAYS GOING TO BE.

NOT THAT THERE YOU GO.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THE FIRST BILL I WAS ASKED TO PRESENT ON AND ALL OF THESE BILLS DID PASS, SO THEY ARE NOW LOT AND THEY ARE NOW OFF.

THIS IS SB 69 BY REPRESENT MY, UH, MY SANDRA MILES AND REPRESENTATIVE WHITE ABOUT EXCESSIVE FORCE AND DUTY TO INTERVENE.

IT'S SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THOUGH, TO CHOKEHOLD BANDS AND PROHIBITED THE USE OF A CHOKE HOLD OR SIMILAR NECK RESTRAINT, UNLESS IT WAS NECESSARY TO PREVENT SERIOUS BODILY INJURY OR DEATH OF THE OFFICER, TO THE OFFICER AT ANOTHER PERSON.

UM, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER DURING THIS TIME THAT THE, THERE WERE AS A GROUP OF DEMOCRATS AND SPECIFICALLY THE BLACK LEGISLATIVE CAUCUS IN THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT FORWARD.

SO A SERIES OF REFORMS OUT OF THE GEORGE FLOYD, UM, INCIDENTS, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW THAT ACTUALLY MADE IT THROUGH, UM, TO APPLY STATEWIDE.

SO THIS IS NOW INTO THE IT, WHEN YOU THINK OF THESE BILLS TOO, THIS IS NOW STATE POLICY, UM, FOR EVERY, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY BRANCH IN THE STATE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

OKAY.

THE NEXT PIECE OF LEGISLATION COMES FROM OUR OWN DELEGATION.

SO REPRESENT HOWARD, WHO MANY OF YOU DO KNOW AS A MEMBER OF THE AUSTIN DELEGATION CENTER IS F MAURINE IS, UH, ALSO HOLDS A PART OF AUSTIN AND, UH, WITH SENATOR ECKHARDT.

SO THIS IS ABOUT ASSISTING VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND THAT THEY NOW ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN ADVOCATE FROM THE SEXUAL ASSAULT PROGRAM PRESENT DURING THEIR INTERVIEW WHILE THEY ARE PROVIDING, UM, THEIR CLAIM AND PROVIDING, GOING ON RECORD WITH A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

UM, AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVE HOWARD HAS DEFINITELY AS PART OF OUR DELEGATION, UM, REALLY WORKED EVERY SESSION ON SOMETHING RELATED TO ASSISTING VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT CENTER.

ZAFA RENIA OF COURSE ALSO A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THAT.

SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING VERY VALUABLE TO VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT COMES FROM OUR OWN DELEGATION.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND THE THIRD BILL I WAS ASKED TO PRESENT ON IT, W THIS WAS CONSIDERED PRIORITY LEGISLATION.

I THINK I, WHEN I PRESENT TO YOU ALL BEFORE WITH THE LOWER THE BILL NUMBER, THE HIGHER, THE MORE LIKELY IT'S BEEN, UH, NAMED EITHER AN EMERGENCY ITEM BY THE GOVERNOR, WHICH THIS ONE WAS, AND, OR A PRIORITY ITEM BY THE SET RIGHTS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, WHICH THIS WAS AS WELL.

AND SO WHAT THIS BILL DID AS BETWEEN TWO BY, UH, SENATOR SPRINGER AND REPRESENTATIVE PATTERSON DID, WAS SAY THAT THERE WAS A PRESUMPTION THAT IF A FIRST RESPONDER HAS CONTRACTED COVID-19, UH, WHILE THEY'RE EMPLOYED WITH THEIR, UM, ENTITY, THAT IT IS IT'S PRESUMED, IT WAS AS A SCOPE OF EMPLOYMENT.

UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY WAS ALREADY FOLLOWING YOU, WEREN'T LARGELY AFFECTED BY THIS BILL.

UM, BUT I ALSO AM GOING AT THIS POINT, I HAVE A VERY, I CAN GIVE YOU THE ANALYSIS, THE DEPARTMENT'S PROVIDED TO ME, BUT AS FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE BILLS, I WILL DEFINITELY DEFER TO THE DEPARTMENTS NOW AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, BUT THESE WERE THE THREE BILLS.

YOUR CHAIR ASKED ME SPECIFICALLY TO SUM UP FOR YOU ALL TODAY, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

[00:15:01]

AND I THINK IF WE CAN JUST, WE CAN GO BACKWARDS.

WE CAN START WITH THE COVID PRESUMPTION, IF WE COULD JUST ALL HAVE YOU GUYS SPEAK UP AND LET US KNOW ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION AND ANY CHALLENGES, ALL RIGHT.

FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, AS BRIE FRANKLIN TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WE TREATED ALL OF THIS AS PRESUMPTIVE FROM THE BEGINNING.

UH, SO THE, THE, THE ACTUAL PASSING OF THE SENATE BILL HAD NO EFFECT ON HOW HE PROCESSED FOLKS AS THEY, UH, TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID AND AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO THERE'VE BEEN NO CHANGES.

ALL IT DID WAS CLARIFIED THAT CUT OFF AND FOR EMS THE SAME, WE WERE PRACTICING THAT WAY BEFORE WE PUSHED INFORMATION OUT TO THE WORKFORCE, AFTER THE BILL WAS PASSED.

UM, WE ONLY KNOW OF TWO CASES THAT WERE DENIED INITIALLY.

THEY WERE RESUBMITTED WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO FOLLOW THAT PRACTICE.

I THINK WE'LL TAKE IT JUST A BILL AT A TIMING SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR BILL CHECKING IN ONLINE AS WELL? JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD.

OKAY.

LET'S GO BACK ONE TO HB 1172 VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.

WE CAN JUST HAVE, UM, I THINK WE'LL START WITH APD, BUT I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM EMS AND FIRE AS WELL.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY CHANGES, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND START, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, JOSEPH CHUCK ON CHIEF OF POLICE.

I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THESE TWO, UH, BILLS IN PARTICULAR, MYSELF.

UH, SO FIRST WITH REGARDS TO HOUSE BILL 1172, UM, THIS WAS A BILL THAT, UH, WE HAD ANTICIPATED WAS GOING TO PASS AND HAVE ALREADY, UH, IMPLEMENTED POLICY CHANGES TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE BILL.

UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS AS JUST A MATTER OF PRACTICALITY AND WE'VE ALREADY CLEARED IT THROUGH, THROUGH LEGAL, UM, THE INTERPRETATION OF THE BILL IS SUCH THAT BECAUSE THE BILL IS VERY SPECIFIC, IT SAYS THAT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAS TO, HAS TO ASK AND THEN RECEIVE THE DIRECTION FROM THE SURVIVOR OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.

AND, UM, AND REALLY WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS THAT MANY TIMES HAVING A VICTIM SERVICE COUNSELOR, UH, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IS A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THEM TO HAVE, AND, AND THEY'VE ALREADY DEVELOPED A RAPPORT WITH THE VICTIM AND, AND IT JUST MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

AND SO BEING A, A MEMBER OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE AUTHORIZED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND TO, TO RECEIVE THE DIRECTION FROM THE VICTIM.

UH, WE PARTNERED WITH SAFE ALLIANCE AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PROVIDE THE CONFIDENTIAL ADVOCATE TO THE VICTIM THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN ON THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.

UM, THEY, OF COURSE, UH, JUST LIKE MANY OF US ARE PRETTY RESOURCE STRAPPED AND DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE AN ADVOCATE THAT'S AVAILABLE.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS, UH, IF, IF THERE IS NO ADVOCATE THAT'S AVAILABLE OR THE VICTIM DECIDES THAT THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, UH, HAVING A VICTIM SERVICES COUNSELOR, SIT IN ON THAT INTERVIEW, THEN WE PROVIDE THAT AS KIND OF THE BACKUP, UM, AND THAT CONFORMS WITH THE BILL AS WELL.

UM, THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE PROVISIONS ON, UM, ON THE TRAUMA INFORMED INVESTIGATIONS, UH, AGAIN, OUR POLICY CONFORMS WITH, UH, THE PART THAT SAYS THAT, UM, THE, THE MEDICAL EXAMINATION CAN BE PERFORMED WITHIN 120 HOURS OF THE ASSAULT, UM, THAT, UH, THERE IS NO EXCEPTION TO THAT PROVISION BASED ON, UH, ANY, ANY HISTORY THIS INDIVIDUAL MAY HAVE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN GENERAL.

UM, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY IF IT'S REQUESTED THAT IT WILL BE PERFORMED.

AND, UH, W YOU KNOW, OUR POLICY IS NOT TO POLYGRAPH, UH, ANYONE THAT'S INVOLVED IN THESE TYPES OF INVESTIGATIONS.

UH, AND, AND, UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL CODIFIED NOW INTO OUR POLICY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER, SHE HAD A DEVELOPED, UH, CHIEF, IT MENTIONS HERE THAT THERE WAS THE REMOVAL OF TWO PROVISIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW AN AGENCY TO REFUSE TO REQUEST FOR A FORENSIC EXAM.

ARE THERE ANY PROVISIONS REMAINING ON THE BOOKS THAT WOULD ALLOW AN AGENCY TO REFUSE THAT EXAM? NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ANY PROVISIONS THAT WOULD PREVENT OTHER THAN IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE TIMEFRAME, WHEN WE THINK THAT, UM, THE 120 HOURS, WHEN YOU THINK THAT ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO RECOVER, UH, EVIDENCE AS PART OF THAT EXAM.

UH, AND EVEN THEN

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WE'VE STILL AUTHORIZED EXAMS, UH, BASED UPON THE CIRCUMSTANCES, IF WE THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S EVIDENTIARY VALUE IN IT.

THANK YOU.

UH, YEAH, BEFORE THIS BILL IS PASSED, UM, WHAT WAS APDS POLICY REGARDING HAVING SOMEONE WITH THE VICTIM, UM, DURING AN EXAM OR DURING QUESTIONING? UM, TYPICALLY THEY DID NOT, UH, IT W IT WAS JUST THE, UH, THE INVESTIGATOR, UH, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST KIND OF GOING BACK IN HISTORY, RIGHT? IT WAS THE INVESTIGATOR AND, AND THE VICTIM WOULD SIT IN THERE.

UH, OVER TIME, WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES IN OUR SEX CRIMES UNIT, UH, INCLUDING, UH, DOING WORD CALLS, SOFTENING THE INTERVIEW ROOMS, STEVE, THAT KIND OF COLD, STERILE ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU WOULD IMAGINE IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'VE ACTUALLY CREATED SOME, SOME ROOMS THAT ARE MUCH MORE WARM AND INVITING, UH, FOR THE VICTIMS TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN, UH, AS WELL AS ADDING THE VICTIM SERVICE COUNSELOR INTO, UH, INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT PRIOR TO THIS LEGISLATION.

SO WHAT DID THE CHANGE THAT WE HAD TO MAKE WITH THE LEGISLATION WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER OPTION FOR THE VICTIM TO HAVE A SAFE, IN THIS CASE, A SAFE ALLIANCE ADVOCATE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO COME INTO THE INTERVIEW IF THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED THAT PERSON, INSTEAD OF THE COUNSELOR COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, UM, CHIEF, I'M JUST NOT INFORMED ABOUT THIS.

W WAS THERE EVER A USE OF POLYGRAPHS IN THE PAST? UH, SO THIS, THIS LEGISLATION OBVIOUSLY IS NOT WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY FOR APD WE'VE, YOU KNOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVE NEVER POLYGRAPHED, UH, THE VICTIM OF A, OF A SEXUAL ASSAULT.

UH, SO, BUT I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT OTHER AGENCIES MIGHT'VE DONE.

SURE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ONLINE? OKAY.

UM, AND ALSO, UM, COMMISSIONER LEWIS JUST SAID THAT SHE'S ATTEMPTING TO, SHE'S GOING TO ATTEMPT TO LOG IN ONLINE.

UM, SO IF WE COULD JUST LOOK FOR HER, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES TO SIGN IN.

THANK YOU.

UM, DOES FIRE EMS HAVE ANY, UM, ANYTHING TO ADD WITH REGARDS TO HB 1172 FROM FIRE DEPARTMENT, NOTHING TO ADD, AS FAR AS ON SCENE CARE, ANYONE THEY WANT TO HAVE IN THE ROOM WITH THEM, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THAT FOR THEIR COMFORT.

THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR US.

THESE CALLS ARE THERE PATIENT DRIVEN FROM OUR STANDPOINT, AND WE WOULD COOPERATE WITH WHATEVER THE VICTIM PATIENT AND FACILITATE THAT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WANTED TO GIVE A SECOND FOR AMANDA LEWIS TO THINK SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SIGN IN RIGHT AWAY.

SO, UM, WE CAN GO ON AND MOVE ON TO SB 69, THE EXCESSIVE FORCE AND DUTY TO INTERVENE.

SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND START ON THIS ONE AS WELL.

UM, SO WITH REGARD TO THE CHOKE HOLD BAND, UM, FOR SOME TIME PRIOR TO THIS LEGISLATION PASSING, UH, APD HAS HAD A PROHIBITION ON CHOKE HOLES BEING USED, UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, MAKING AN ARREST OR TO RESTRAIN A SUBJECT.

UM, IT, THE ONLY TIME THAT ONE OF OUR OFFICERS IN THIS IS CODIFIED IN OUR POLICY, UH, CAN USE A VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINT, A CAROTID NECK RESTRAINT, OR ANY TYPE OF STRANGLEHOLD IS IN CASES WHERE DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE AUTHORIZED.

SO IF AN OFFICER IS IN A FIGHT FOR HIS LIFE, THERE'S NOTHING TO PROHIBIT HIM, UH, FROM, FROM USING IT.

BUT SHORT OF THAT, UH, AND I KNOW THERE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT DO USE, UM, THE QUOTE UNQUOTE HOLD AS A, UH, A METHOD TO SUBDUE, UH, PEOPLE, UH, APD DOES NOT DO THAT HAS NOT DONE THAT.

WE DON'T TEACH THE CHOKE HOLD.

UM, WE, WE ARE INSTITUTING AS WELL, CHANGES IN OUR, UH, TRAINING AT THE ACADEMY WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, CHOKE HOLES IN GENERAL, UH, SO THAT, SO THAT OUR CADETS, AS THEY'RE COMING OUT HAVE FAMILIARITY WITH THEM AND ARE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY IF THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN A CHOKE HOLD, BEING ABLE TO GET OUT OF IT EFFECTIVELY.

UM, BUT, UH, AGAIN, WE DO NOT, WE DO NOT TRAIN THE CHOKE HOLD TO BE USED AS, UH, AS ANY KIND OF A METHOD FOR SUBDUING SOMEONE.

UH, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PROVISION IN THERE THAT DOES NOT IN THE CASE WHERE DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE AUTHORIZED.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE IN A FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN LIFE OR THE FIGHT THEY'RE FIGHTING, UH, FOR THE LIFE OF A THIRD PARTY, UH, THAT IT WOULD BE THAT IT COULD BE USED IN THAT.

AND THAT'S THAT COMPORTS WITH THE LAW AS WELL.

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YEAH.

COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT, AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT APD, BUT THAT THERE ARE DEPARTMENTS IN TEXAS THAT USE, UM, SORT OF A KNEE WHEN, UH, WHEN SOMEONE IS ON THEIR STOMACH, ON THE GROUND, A KNEE TO THE BACK, UH, TO RESTRAIN PEOPLE.

AND THAT, THAT HAS CAUSED A CONSTRAINT TO THE ABILITY TO BREATHE.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT APD UTILIZES THAT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM A CHOKEHOLD? YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CHECK WITH OUR, OUR, OUR TRAINING, UH, YOU KNOW, SPECIALISTS TO SEE, BECAUSE CERTAINLY WHEN I CAME THROUGH THE ACADEMY THAT WAS TAUGHT AND, UH, BUT WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS FOLLOWING UP, NOT JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A KNEE ON THE NECK OR ANY TYPE OF RESTRAINT ON THE NECK, BUT OVERALL, UH, THE PLACEMENT OF THE KNEE AS PART OF THE HANDCUFFING PROCESS, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE GROUND AND SO FORTH.

SO I WOULD HAVE TO GET A UP WITH YOU COMMISSIONER ON THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MY, I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING AND THIS, I GUESS IS A QUESTION FOR, UM, UH, MS. FALCO IS THAT THIS, THIS BILL DOESN'T ADDRESS, UM, ANY KNEE TO THE BACK, THAT, THAT IMPAIRS THE ABILITY TO BREATHE FROM THE CHEST.

IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE, THE NECK.

LET ME LOOK THROUGH, SEE HOW THE BILL IS WRITTEN A LITTLE CLOSELY WITH THAT QUESTION IN MIND, AND THEN GET BACK TO YOU.

OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER , UH, CHIEF, I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH AN OFFICER IS REQUIRED, DOES HAVE A DUTY TO REPORT AN INCIDENT OF EXCESSIVE FORCE THAT THEY WITNESS IN CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THEY DO NOT HAVE A DUTY TO REPORT THAT, UH, THAT WITNESSED INCIDENT OF EXCESSIVE FORCE.

CERTAINLY.

AND WHAT I'LL DO IS GO AHEAD AND GO OVER THE, THE SECOND PART HERE, THE DUTY INTERVENE.

AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

AND THEN CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN FOLLOW UP.

SO THE SECOND PART HERE IS THE DUTY TO INTERVENE AND, AND, UH, THE WAY THAT OUR POLICY, UH, HAD BEEN WRITTEN IS, UH, WE CALL IT A DUTY TO INTERCEDE.

UM, AS WE HAVE BEEN REVAMPING THIS POLICY IN COORDINATION WITH THIS, UH, NEW STATUTE, UH, WE ARE CHANGING THE LANGUAGE TO DUTY, TO INTERVENE.

IT'S STRONGER LANGUAGE, AND REALLY, UH, IS, IS MORE ABOUT INTERVENTION AS, AS OPPOSED TO INTERCESSION.

SO, UM, BUT, BUT THE, THE, UM, BUT THE LANGUAGE ESSENTIALLY WILL BE THE SAME.

OTHERWISE IN THAT AN OFFICER WHO SEES ANOTHER OFFICER, UH, USING UNREASONABLE FORCE HAS A DUTY, UH, TO, TO INTERVENE, UH, IF THEY HAVE A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

SO, UH, THE, THE REASON IT'S WRITTEN THAT WAY IS THAT, UH, SOMETIMES THE, UM, THE USE OF FORCE HAPPENS SO QUICKLY BY THE TIME THAT AN OFFICER SEES IT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERPRET WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

UH, THE, THE FORCE HAS ALREADY CONCLUDED AND THERE'S NO LONGER AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERVENE.

UM, BUT IF THEY DO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, THE EXPECTATION, UH, IS THAT THEY WILL INTERVENE, UH, IN IT.

AND THAT CAN BE BY THE USE OF WORDS OR BY, UH, PHYSICAL, UH, INTERVENTION TO PREVENT WHATEVER FORCE IS BEING USED, UM, IN EITHER CIRCUMSTANCE, UH, WHETHER THEY SAW IT AND DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, OR THEY ACTUALLY DID THERE, THERE IS A PROVISION IN OUR POLICY, UH, TO REPORT IT TO A SUPERVISOR.

UM, AND, AND SO THAT THE, BOTH OF THOSE PIECES HAVE BEEN IN OUR POLICY LONG BEFORE, UM, THIS, I THINK GOING, I THINK WE PLACED THIS IN POLICY IN 2017, SO WELL, BEFORE THIS LAW GOING INTO EFFECT, UM, AND WE ARE, OF COURSE, KIND OF, AS WE DO IN ALL PARTS OF OUR POLICY, WE WILL STRENGTHEN LANGUAGE, PROVIDE CLARIFYING INFORMATION IN THERE TO HELP GUIDE OFFICERS, GIVE THEM THE BEST, UM, GUIDANCE THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN IN THEIR DEALINGS OUT IN THE FIELD.

UH, BUT IF THERE'S EVER ESSENTIALLY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF THERE'S EVER A QUESTION IN AN OFFICER'S MIND ABOUT WHETHER SOMETHING WAS LAWFUL OR NOT, THEN THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REPORT IT TO A SUPERVISOR AND A SUPERVISOR.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IN-CAR CAMERAS, BODY-WORN CAMERAS.

UH, AND CERTAINLY ANYTIME THAT WE USE FORCE, WE HAVE SUPERVISORS WHO RESPOND TO THE SCENE THAT CONDUCTED, UM, ON SCENE INVESTIGATIONS AND INTERVIEWS, UH, WITH WITNESSES, WITH THE PERSON WHOSE, WHO FORCE WAS USED UPON, UH, AND WITH THE OFFICERS TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED AND, AND TO MAKE THAT AT LEAST, UH, ON-SCENE DETERMINATION, UH, AND DO

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AN INVESTIGATION.

AND THEN IT SENT TO OUR FORCE REVIEW UNIT, UH, FOR A REVIEW BY SERGEANTS THAT ARE IN THAT UNIT TO DETERMINE, UH, AND ENSURE THAT IT WAS REASONABLE AND PROPER.

I JUST HAVE A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT.

UM, IF AN, IF AN OFFICER DID NOT STOP OR PREVENT ANOTHER OFFICER, WHAT WOULD BE THE DISPLAYER NET DISCIPLINARY ACTION THEY WOULD FACE? UM, WELL, I CAN CERTAINLY, UH, GIVE YOU EXAMPLES OF A RECENT DISCIPLINE THAT I ADMINISTERED UNDER THIS POLICY.

UH, WE HAD TWO OFFICERS THAT, THAT WITNESSED WHAT WAS CLEARLY UNREASONABLE FORCE, UM, AND THEY RECEIVED A SIGNIFICANT, UH, SUSPENSIONS.

UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE A SUSPENSION LEADING UP TO INDEFINITE SUSPENSION OR TERMINATION, UH, AND CHIEF ONE, AN OFFICER REPORTS THIS PRESUMABLY TO A LINE LEVEL SUPERVISOR OR SERGEANT OR LIEUTENANT WHAT EXISTS IN POLICY THAT DICTATES WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT INITIAL REPORT IS MADE.

IS THERE DISCRETION ON THE PART OF THE SUPERVISOR TO INVESTIGATE THE INCIDENT? IS THERE A COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWS ALL INCIDENTS THAT ARE REPORTED TO SUPERVISOR, CAN YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT HAPPENS? SO, UM, WHAT HAPPENS ON ALL OF OUR USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS, OR AS WE REFER TO THEM, RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE INCIDENTS IS A REPORT IS WRITTEN.

UH, THERE IS AN ON-SCENE, UH, INVESTIGATION THAT OCCURS WITH A, NOT WITH A SUPERVISOR THAT RESPONDS TO THE SCENE AND CONDUCTS THOSE INTERVIEWS.

AND THEN, UM, THE ENTIRE, UH, PACKET IS SENT TO OUR FORCE REVIEW UNIT.

THIS IS A GROUP OF SERGEANTS THAT ARE ASSIGNED FULL TIME TO REVIEW ALL OF THE RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE INCIDENTS THAT OCCUR IN THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S HEADED BY A LIEUTENANT AND THEN A COMMANDER WITHIN OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS, UH, DIVISION.

AND, UM, THAT, UH, THE FACT THAT WE HAD SOMEBODY STEP FORWARD AND SAY, I THINK THIS MIGHT'VE BEEN UNREASONABLE WOULD BE RELAYED AS PART OF THAT ON SCENE REPORT BACK TO THE FR YOU, AND THEN THEY WOULD, UH, REVIEW THAT.

AND ULTIMATELY IT GOES BACK TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO DETERMINE, TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE COMMANDER AND ASSISTANT CHIEF ON WHETHER THAT FORCE WAS REASONABLE OR NOT, UH, AND OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE REFERRED TO EITHER INTERNAL AFFAIRS OR TO OUR SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT FOR FOLLOW-UP.

YEAH.

HI CHIEF.

UM, I WAS WONDERING, DO YOU HAVE ANY OPTIONS WHERE PEOPLE TO REPORT THINGS ANONYMOUSLY IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL SAFE OR COMFORTABLE GOING TO THEIR SUPERVISORS OR ANOTHER PERSON THAT THEY COULD SPEAK TO ABOUT THAT? I TAKE IT THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES.

YES.

SO, UH, GENERALLY, NO, THERE IS NO OPTION INSIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT TO REPORT ANONYMOUSLY.

UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS AN ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT PROCESS THROUGH THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT.

THAT'S OPEN TO ANY AUSTIN CITIZEN, INCLUDING OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, HAVE THE OPTION TO DO THAT, BUT GENERALLY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT FOR WHAT WE WOULD DEEM TO BE AN INTERNAL COMPLAINT, UM, THERE IS A NAME ATTACHED TO THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS ONLINE COMMISSIONER, UM, LANE, HEY, CHIEF, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANY THING THAT, UM, THAT DISCUSSES ANY POLICY THAT DISCUSSES HOW WE WOULD HANDLE IF OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES ARE SUPPORTING IN THE ACT OF, UM, UM, UM, RESTRAINING A PERSON.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMETIMES THAT CAN INCLUDE FIRE OR IT CAN INCLUDE EMS FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS.

SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF APPLYING SOME OF THIS TRAINING AND UNDERSTANDING, UH, TO ALL GROUPS AND HOW IS THAT PROCESS SUPPOSED TO BE HANDLED IF SOMEONE HAS A COMPLAINT FOR OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE ASSISTING POLICE IN THIS WORK.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT ANYONE WHO WERE TO COMPLAIN FOR INSTANCE, TO, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT THEY FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, UNREASONABLE FORCE WAS USED BY, UH, ANOTHER AGENCY, WHETHER THAT'S ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR IT'S ANOTHER, UH, CITY AGENCY, UH, WE WOULD REFER THEM BACK TO THAT AGENCY TO MAKE THAT COMPLAINT AS OPPOSED TO TAKING THE COMPLAINT, UM, OURSELVES, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD STAND READY TO INVESTIGATE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE OF A CRIMINAL NATURE.

UH, SO IF SOMETHING WERE DEEMED TO BE CRIMINAL, UH, THEN THAT WOULD BE REFERRED OVER TO OUR SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT, BUT IF IT'S STRICTLY ADMINISTRATIVE, WHICH MOST OF THESE ARE, UH, THOSE ARE HANDLED BY, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIONS OF THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, DEPARTMENTS.

AND

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I'M SURE THEY COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN ME, MS. FRANCO, I THINK YOU HAD SOME FOLLOWUP COMMENTS AS WELL.

I DID.

AND LOOKING AT THE LAW AND RESPONDS TO THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION ABOUT THE KNEE ON THE, ON THE CHEST.

THE LAW IS TO SB 69 DIVIDED INTO TWO PARTS.

AND THE FIRST PART IS ABOUT THE, UM, INTERVENTION REQUIRED FOR EXCESSIVE FORCE AND LAYS OUT WHEN AN EXCESSIVE FORCES RE INTERVENTION FOR EXCESSIVE FORCE IS REQUIRED.

AND SO IT COULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE THAT SCENARIO, ALTHOUGH DON'T TAKE MY LEGAL OPINION FOR THAT.

UM, BUT UNDER THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED THERE, IT COULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE THAT SCENARIO IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT IT'S, WASN'T REASONABLE, IT ISN'T ALLOWED UNDER CO-DEFENDANT PROCEDURE AND SO FORTH.

AND SO ON AS FOR THE CHOKE HOLD, UM, BAN, THAT IS THE SEPARATE SECTION OF THE LAW.

THAT SPECIFICALLY NAMES OUT THOSE THREE WAYS OF A CHOKEHOLD BEING PERFORMED THAT WE PUT THERE.

SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE THREE INCLUDE THE NIECE AND RYO THAT YOU PROVIDED.

THANK YOU.

THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO.

CAN I JUST, OF COURSE SO I JUST WANTED TO, I'M GOING TO ASK, UM, THE CHAIR TO PUT THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA CHIEF, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO GET, UM, DATA, UM, GOING BACK TO 2017 ON THE, UM, UH, I GUESS REPORTING FROM OFFICERS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INCIDENTS OF USE OF FORCE THAT, THAT THEY'VE REPORTED AND, UM, AN OUTCOMES FROM THAT IS THAT A DATA SET THAT EXISTS.

SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT COMMISSIONER TO SEE IF THAT IS EVEN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PULL.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE DISCIPLINE THAT I ADMINISTERED IN THE CASE THAT I TALKED ABOUT WAS THE FIRST DISCIPLINE THIS DEPARTMENT HAS EVER ISSUED, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR POLICY.

UM, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD CERTAINLY LOOK TO SEE WITH OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION TO SEE IF THEY'VE RECEIVED, UH, ANY TYPE OF COMPLAINTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR.

AND, UH, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU SOME GENERAL OUTCOMES.

UH, A LOT OF THAT IS PROTECTED UNDER CHAPTER 1 43 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE, OBVIOUSLY.

SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF, I'M A LITTLE BIT LIMITED BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T ADMINISTERED ANY OTHER FORMAL DISCIPLINE FOR IT.

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THE NAMES OF ANY OFFICERS, EITHER THE ONES WHO HAD MADE A COMPLAINT OR THE ONES WHO HAD BEEN COMPLAINED ABOUT I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, WHETHER COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND ABOUT WHAT SORTS OF INCIDENTS AND THEN SORT OF WHAT THE OUTCOME.

YEAH.

UM, I'M, I'M UNAWARE OF ANY OFFICERS, UH, MAKING A COMPLAINT UNDER THIS PROVISION BEFORE, OR ANY CHAINS OF COMMAND DOING THAT, BUT I WOULD NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

OKAY.

UM, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT WASN'T ABLE TO JOIN US.

THEY WERE GOING TO JOIN US TODAY.

AND THEY, THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME SICK LEAVE, UM, HAPPENING.

UM, SO THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO JOIN US.

I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE HAD A LOT TO OFFER WITH REGARDS TO THIS, UH, THESE ITEMS. UM, AND WE CAN PROBABLY DO A FOLLOWUP WITH THEM AS WELL TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.

UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS WE'VE GOT TIME, UM, IS PROBABLY NOT REALLY ANYTHING, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF FIRE EMS HAD ANYTHING TO ADD ON THIS BILL.

SO GENERAL PRACTICE DOESN'T APPLY TO US, BUT IF A FIRE CREW HAPPENED TO SEE AN OFFICER THAT WAS IN A SITUATION WHERE THE SERIOUS BODILY INJURY OR DEATH COULD TRANSPIRE TO THEM, THEY WOULD STEP IN, I WOULD IMAGINE, AND HELP.

SO TO WHATEVER DEGREE THEY CAN, AND THEN THAT WOULD THEN BE REVIEWED BY US TO SEE WHAT, IF ANY APPROPRIATE INAPPROPRIATE, INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR WAS THERE IN CONJUNCTION WITH CORPORATE HR AND CITY LEGAL FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS, UH, IF THERE WAS ANY INAPPROPRIATE ACTIONS TAKEN, OUR PROCESSES ARE VERY SIMILAR.

UM, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, IF AN INCIDENT HAPPENS ON SCENE, IF WE WERE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ALL OF OUR AGENCIES HAVE SIMILAR TO LIKE AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION THAT ALSO KIND OF FACILITATE SOME OF THESE, UM, COMPLAINTS, UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT INVOLVES OTHER AGENCIES SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GATHER INFORMATION AND SHARE THAT WITH THE APPROPRIATE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU ALL.

UM, I THINK THAT IS IT FOR THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

UM, I THINK

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WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS ON APD TRAINING.

UM, WE HAVE ANNE CRINGING AND, UM, CHIEF HENDERSON JOINING US, UM, TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON IT.

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YES MA'AM AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SLIDE DECK THAT CORRESPONDS WELL, THEY'RE GETTING THAT CUTE.

I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE ASSISTANT CHIEF JOHNSON.

SHE IS OUR CURRENT ASSISTANT CHIEF OVER THE TRAINING DIVISION.

UM, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE COMMANDER OF LA AND HE IS THE MANDER OVER OUR TRAINING DIVISION.

SO IF THERE ARE ANY SO WE'LL JUST GOING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON OUR, UH, PILOT CLASS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS THE ONE 44TH CADET CLASS THAT STARTED IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.

AND I BELIEVE WE STARTED WITH ABOUT 100 OR 99 OR 98 CADETS, CORRECT.

98.

OKAY.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE ONE 44TH CADET CLASS, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY SLATED TO GRADUATE ON JANUARY 28, 22.

AND SO JUST GOING OVER SOME OF THE CLASS DEMOGRAPHICS RIGHT NOW, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 72 CADETS REMAINING.

AND THE CLASS OF THAT 10 ARE FEMALE, WHICH IS ABOUT 13.8%.

IF YOU CAN SWITCH TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN ONE MORE SLIDE.

ONE MORE.

OH, YOU MIND CLICKING? SHE HAS A QUICK RECORD.

COOL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT CLICKER WAS AVAILABLE.

AND THEN 62 ARE MALE, WHICH REPRESENT ABOUT 80 TO 86.2.

WE HAVE ONE ASIAN, 10 AFRICAN-AMERICANS, 30 HISPANIC, UM, TWO REPRESENTING OTHER AND 29, WHICH ARE WHITE.

OKAY.

AND THEN FLIPPING TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

JUST SOME ADDITIONAL DEMOGRAPHICS HERE ON EDUCATION, 31 HAVE SOME COLLEGE EDUCATION, 26 HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND FIVE HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE.

AND THEN MOVING ON TO PRIOR MILITARY OR PRIOR IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, 23 HAVE PRIOR MILITARY AND 10 HAVE PRIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE.

UM, WE ALSO KNOW THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY INTERESTED IN, UH, THOSE WHO HAVE LEFT AS WELL AS THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY WITH US, THE ACADEMY CLASS.

UM, SO 28 INDIVIDUALS, UM, HAVE LEFT THE ACADEMY, UM, OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS 20, UM, ARE, WERE MALE 28 FEMALE.

UM, WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS TERMINATED TWO LEFT FOR PT FAILURES, UM, 10 LEFT FOR PERSONAL REASONS, UM, FOR, FOR ACADEMICS FAILURES, UM, FOR, FOR ILLNESS, UM, SIX FOR INJURY AND ONE FOR MEDICAL, UM, IN TERMS OF CURRICULUM CHANGES.

I KNOW THAT THE QUESTION THAT WAS DIRECTLY ASKED WAS, UM, NUMBERS OF HOURS FOR INSTRUCTIONAL TOPICS.

UM, HOWEVER, GIVEN THAT THE POC, UM, KIND OF CONTROLS OR THE CHEEK WHOLE MANDATED CURRICULUM REALLY CONTROLS THE AMOUNT OF HOURS.

RIGHT.

UM, I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE HELPING YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, IF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ANSWERING THE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE REALLY ASKING.

RIGHT.

UM, AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN THIS WERE, UM, THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ADDED.

UM, SO WE HAVE TWICE AS MANY PT HOURS, UM, LOOKING AT AROUND 80 HOURS IN COMPARISON TO THE 40, UM, APPROXIMATELY IN A PREVIOUS ACADEMY CLASSES, UM, WE HAVE OVER 30 HOURS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, WHEN EXPLAINING THIS OUT TO CRAWL, IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT, BUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HOURS ARE HOURS IN WHICH COMMUNITY MEMBERS COME INTO THE ACADEMY DURING THE ACADEMY CURRICULUM.

UM, WE ALSO HAD A TWO-WEEK COMMUNITY CONNECT, UM, PROGRAM, WHICH WAS PRE PRIOR TO THE ACADEMY.

SO CADETS, AND I'M SURE YOU SAW A LOT OF THE PICTURES, UM, IN SOME OF THE MEDIA ON IT.

UM, BUT CADETS WERE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY PRIOR TO THE ACADEMY STARTING.

SO IT WAS 34 WEEKS IN TOTAL, 32 OF THOSE, UM, ARE, UH, ACADEMY CRICK, UH, ACADEMY INSTRUCTIONAL HOURS.

UM, ALSO THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE REALLY CHANGED THIS ACADEMY, UM, AND THAT WE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, UM, CHIEF HENDERSON MENTIONED, THIS IS A PILOT ACADEMY, SO WE'RE BUILDING ON IT, WE'RE LEARNING FROM THE THINGS THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LEARNING

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LESSONS THAT WE'VE HAD FROM THINGS THAT HAVE MAYBE NOT DONE, NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED AS WELL AS WE'D LIKE, UM, IS MAKING SURE WE WEAVE IN THINGS LIKE DEI, UM, ADULT LEARNING AND DEESCALATION THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE COURSES.

UM, SO EVEN IN THE QUESTION OF WHAT ARE THE AMOUNT OF HOURS FOR INSTRUCTION, WE'RE REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME EVEN SORT OF DIS-AGGREGATING THAT, UM, BECAUSE THINGS LIKE DUTY TO INTERVENE, WE COVER IN, IN ACTUAL PRACTICAL COURSEWORK, BUT WE ALSO HAVE ROLE-PLAYS AS WELL.

SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO PARSE OUT HOW MANY TOUCH POINTS WE HAVE.

UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR BEING TRANSPARENT TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD IN FOR THIS ONE 45TH ACADEMY CLASS TO REALLY SAY, HOW MANY TIMES ARE WE TOUCHING THESE TOPICS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY? SO I'LL BE INTERESTED IN, UM, THE INSTRUCTIONAL AREAS THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE MOST, UM, UH, INTERESTED IN.

SO THAT'S ON SOME OF THE CURRICULUM CHANGES AND IT'S CONSTANTLY ONGOING.

UM, AND WE'VE DONE IT WITH A LOT OF INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL INPUT, UM, DURING THE EVALUATION PHASE.

UM, AND THEN ANOTHER ASPECT THAT IS REALLY, UM, IMPORTANT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ACADEMY CLASS HAS BEEN UNDERSTANDING WHERE OUR INSTRUCTORS ARE IN TERMS OF THEIR TRAINING AND THEN BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS LIKE FIRST STEP IS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE WAYS OF GETTING ACCESS TO MATERIALS, BUT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF SOURCING.

UM, AND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD WHAT IS THEIR SORT OF TRAINING AS WE HAVE NEW INSTRUCTORS COME TO THE ACADEMY AND THEN OVERALL, WHAT IS, WHAT IS SORT OF THE MESSAGING ON IT.

SO, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US, AND I'M INTERESTED TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS, OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

HI.

YES.

UM, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE DEI PERSPECTIVES, ARE THE TOPICS COVERED? IS THERE, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONVERSATIONS AROUND RACISM BEING INCLUDED IN THAT AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, AND SO SOME OF THE CURRICULUM ARE, IS SORT OF T COLBY POCK MANDATED HOURS, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE RACIAL PROFILING, MULTICULTURALISM, UM, RIGHT AFTER THEY GRADUATE FROM THE ACADEMY, BUT THERE'LL BE TAKING INTERMEDIATE T COLE CLASS, WHICH IS A CULTURAL DIVERSITY.

UM, BUT ALSO ON TOP OF THAT, UM, ALL OF THE CADETS HAVE GONE THROUGH JAMES JOYCE'S GROUNDWATER ANALYSIS TRAINING, UM, WHERE, UM, WHERE IT'S ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL AND STRUCTURAL RACISM.

UM, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO SORT OF HAVE THAT LENS PRIOR TO EVEN STARTING THE ACADEMY.

UM, AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS.

UM, WE ALSO DID A HISTORY OF RACE AND POLICING, UM, CLASS WITH, UM, DR.

FOSTER AT UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, UM, WHICH WAS EIGHT HOURS OF INSTRUCTION.

UM, BUT I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS IN HOUSE ABOUT WHAT DOES THIS ACTUALLY MEAN, RIGHT.

SO THAT, UM, POLICE ARE NOT SORT OF SILOED FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HAVING THESE DIALOGUES.

UM, SO ALL OF THE INSTRUCTORS HAVE ALSO GONE THROUGH THE GROUNDWATER ANALYSIS AS WELL, UM, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE LEADERSHIP TEAM, UM, AT AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE? UM, COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, I APOLOGIZE.

I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, SO, UM, I, I MISSED A LITTLE BIT OF THE PRESENTATION, SO IF YOU'VE COVERED SOME OF THIS, I APOLOGIZE.

UM, BUT I'M CURIOUS, AND, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO BE PRODUCED IN WRITING AND WE CAN GET AT A LATER DATE.

UM, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE COULD GET A LIST OF THE UNITS THAT WERE REVIEWED, UM, BEFORE THEY WERE TAUGHT AT THE MOST RECENT ACADEMY, THE UNITS THAT, UM, WERE REVIEWED AFTER THEY WERE TAUGHT.

UM, AND THEN ANY UNITS THAT APD BELIEVES DON'T NEED REVIEW, MAYBE BECAUSE THEY'RE TACTICAL OR JUST OTHERWISE, UM, APD DOESN'T THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE RE-IMAGINING PROCESS AND REALLY QUICKLY, UM, COMMISSIONER FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, REVIEWED, REVIEWED BY WHOM I THINK REVIEWED AS, AS PART OF THE RE-IMAGINING, UH, PROCESS, SO REVIEWED BY THE COMMUNITY AND REVIEWED, UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT DOES.

WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO REVIEW VARIOUS THINGS.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M GIVING YOU AN ACCURATE REPORT OUT.

SO, UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, THE CURRICULUM COMMITTEE, AND MAYBE I CAN STYLE IT UP LIKE CURRICULUM COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL AS WHAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY CROLL.

UM, ACTUALLY IF IT COULD BE BROKEN OUT BY BOTH OF THOSE, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SO YEAH, ANYTHING THAT'S BEING, I GUESS, SUBJECT TO OUTSIDE REVIEW OF SOME VARIETY, UM, AND THEN, UH, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW, UM, AND MAYBE Y'ALL ALREADY KNOW THIS, UM, AND CAN ANSWER THIS, UH, THE TIMEFRAME

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FOR THE REPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE REVIEW PANEL IF THAT'S COMING UP SOON.

UM, IS THAT A KNOWN THING? YEAH.

SO WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REPORT OUTS, UM, BECAUSE REPORTS ACTUALLY, AREN'T PART OF, KIND OF THE SCOPE OF WORK OR THERE'S SOMETHING WE'VE IMAGINED, UM, BECAUSE THE CURRICULUM COMMITTEE, UM, IS ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE ONGOING.

UM, AND SO WE'RE SORT OF SETTING THE PROCESS STAGE FOR 2022 TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO COVER.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS, SO YOU CAN SORT OF UNDERSTAND, UM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS UNDERSTANDABLY A LOT OF, UM, KIND OF FEAR BASED ON I'M GOING TO SNAP MY PEN FOR FOREVER.

SO I'M GOING TO PUT IT DOWN.

UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR BASED ON, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GOING TO GET TO REVIEW IT BEFORE INDIVIDUALS GET TO, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE CADETS SEE THE CURRICULUM? UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF COURSE MATERIAL, UM, AND THEN WE'RE REALLY HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, IS IT QUANTITY OVER QUALITY AND ARE THERE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE VERBAL COMMUNICATIONS, DEESCALATION, WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO DEEP DIVE AND WE'LL, WE REVISIT THEM BACK IN 2022.

UM, AND SO I THINK WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING A FORMAL REPORT NECESSARILY, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS KIND OF CURRICULUM REVIEW IS ONGOING AND SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY DEMONSTRATE OUT A PRODUCT, UM, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES TO PRIOR TO THE ONE 45TH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY HAPPY WITH THIS PRODUCT.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW FOR 2022, WHAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE ALL AGREED ON AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO GO COM WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN MOVING FORWARD.

UM, SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.

SO I WOULD SAY JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF 20, 22, THAT MAKES SENSE.

A LOT OF SENSE.

UM, ALTHOUGH MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROCESS IS PRETTY LIMITED.

UM, AND I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANY UPDATE ON, UM, AND IF OTHER FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS LIKE CUT ME OFF, UM, UM, CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO CALL THEM TICKLE.

THAT'S WHAT I CALL THEM T COLE, UM, ABOUT, UH, CHANGES TO THE COURSE, UM, ON THE BASIC POLICE OFFICER COURSE.

YEAH.

IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY WONDERFUL.

UM, AND I'LL LET MAYBE MAYBE NEW CHIEF, UH, FILL IN ON THIS BECAUSE I KNOW SHE'S BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS.

UM, TICO CAME OUT AND VISITED US, UM, MAYBE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING AS THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT HERE IN AUSTIN, UM, BUT ALSO THAT THEY'RE HIRING AND THEY HIRED SOMEONE TO DO A SIMILAR TYPE POSITION RELATED TO CURRICULUM, UH, T COLE, UM, AS WELL AS MAYBE FIVE OR SIX, UM, CONTENT DESIGNERS.

UM, IT'S BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO REVAMP THEIR CURRICULUM.

UM, AND SO WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND WE ARE SHARING, UM, SOME OF THE MATERIAL THAT WE'VE REVAMPED TO SORT OF DEMONSTRATE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF ACTIVE LEARNING AND WHERE ARE WE EMBEDDING QUESTIONS AND WHATEVER THE CHANGE HAS BEEN.

UM, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY INTERESTED.

OKAY.

UM, SO IS THAT KIND OF AN ONGOING PROCESS? HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT? YEAH, I W I WOULD SAY IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, UM, THEY DO SORT OF EVALUATE US AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WITHIN COMPLIANCE.

UM, SO THERE'S THAT ASPECT THAT THEY ARE SORT OF FORCED TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH US.

UM, AND SO WE, WE TEND TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.

THAT'S ONGOING.

UM, WE ALSO KEEP IN THE CURRICULUM SIDE, A SEPARATE SORT OF, UM, LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANT T COLE TO CHANGE, UM, THINGS THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED FACTUALLY INACCURATE OR, YOU KNOW, UM, VERY, VERY OLD, UH, IT'S UP TO DATE, BUT ALSO IN HOUSE BECAUSE, UM, WE CAN ADD TO T COLE, WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY, WE MIGHT JUST ADD MORE MATERIAL, RIGHT.

THAT'S MORE RELEVANT OR CURRENT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, FILL THE GAP, UM, WHEN WE THINK THERE IS SOME FOR, FOR THE MATERIAL.

UM, AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY UPDATE ON THE CADETS WHO WERE SIDELINED BECAUSE OF INJURY OR COVID, OR ANY SHORTCOMINGS OTHER THAN ACADEMIC ONES, UM, IN TERMS OF BEING, UH, INCORPORATED IN A FUTURE CADET CLASS, I APOLOGIZE.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN HERE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET, DO THIS RIGHT.

AND YOU GET READY AND CAN HEAR ME.

UH, YES, MA'AM, THEY'VE ALL BEEN OFFERED, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO BE RECYCLED INTO THE ONE 45TH CLASS, WHICH WE ANTICIPATE STARTING NEXT YEAR.

OKAY.

AND IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE, THE, IS THAT THE FIRST CLASS IN 2022? HOPEFULLY.

YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

UM, AND IS THERE AN, I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS BECAUSE Y'ALL WENT THROUGH THE DIVERSITY STATISTICS.

UM, IS THERE AN UPDATE ON DIVERSITY RECRUITMENT FOR THAT CLASS? ALSO? HOPEFULLY I DON'T HAVE UPDATED NUMBERS, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY GET THOSE TO YOU.

OKAY.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF IT'S OKAY.

UM, WHAT I KNOW THAT THE, THE CITY COUNCIL STILL

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HAS TO APPROVE THE ONE 45TH, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, DO WE HAVE A DATE FOR WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP? WE DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL DATE YET, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO START IN MARCH 28TH, MARCH 20TH.

YES MA'AM.

AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS WITH REGARDS TO JUST TRAINING AND, UM, AND ANY ACCOMMODATIONS AND TRAININGS THAT ARE DONE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR MILITARY EXPERIENCE AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE LIKE DEALT WITH DIFFERENTLY ON THE FRONT END ONE-YEAR TRAINING.

UM, JUST MILITARY BACKGROUND IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM, YOU KNOW, CIVILIAN, UM, YOU KNOW, POLICING BACKGROUND AND JUST, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF, UH, WHAT SORT OF CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE ARE BEING MADE, CAN BE MADE TO SORT OF, UM, SORT OF HELP THOSE, THOSE RECRUITS TRANSITION INTO, UM, KIND AND EMPATHETIC, UM, CIVILIAN SORT OF POLICING.

SO THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

ONE THAT I THINK WE HAVEN'T REALLY TACKLED, I WOULD SAY DIRECTLY IN THAT WAY.

UM, WE OFTEN, UM, ARE DEALING WITH OUR CADETS IN TERMS OF THEY HAVE BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE THAT THEY BRING TO THE TABLE THAT WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO REFLECT ON, UM, AND TO THINK ABOUT, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND.

UM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO NOT SORT OF ESSENTIALLY USE THEM AS BEING MILITARY AND THEREFORE MIGHT HAVE A PERSPECTIVE THAT MIGHT LEAD THEM IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION.

UM, BUT I, I DO TAKE YOUR, UM, COMMENT SERIOUSLY AND SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO, UM, IS THERE A WAY IN WHICH WE'D BE GIVING THESE SORT OF RESOURCES OR, OR WHATNOT TO ALL OF THE CADETS THAT PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM A MILITARY BACKGROUND, IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT.

SO I GUESS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT.

SO OUR, OUR, THE, THE VARYING BACKGROUNDS THAT ALL OF THE CADETS COME FROM, NOT ACCOMMODATED FOR IN THEIR TRAINING, THEY'RE JUST ALL TRAINED EXACTLY THE SAME.

I THINK I'M MIGHT BE CONFUSED ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY ACCOMMODATED FOR, UM, I MEAN, WE, WE ALL COME FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, RIGHT.

AND SO THE, THE, THEY MAY, ALL 100 CADETS MAY BE CADETS, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM COME FROM DIFFERENT EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUNDS.

SO ARE, ARE THOSE DIFFERENCES LIKE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THEIR TRAINING? LIKE, ARE THERE THINGS THAT ARE DONE? IT'S, IT'S LIKE THE WHOLE, YOU DON'T PARENT ALL YOUR KIDS THE EXACT SAME WAY EVEN THEY GREW UP IN THE SAME HOUSE.

IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION ALONG THOSE LINES.

LIKE, ARE THERE ANY SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SMALL VARIATIONS IN TRAINING THAT ARE, THAT ARE DEALT WITH, LIKE, ARE YOU DEALING WITH THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE BACKGROUNDS OF YOUR CADETS IN THAT WAY AS THEY COME IN? OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, I THINK I WAS MORE CONFUSED ON THE FACT THAT WE WOULDN'T DO IT KIND OF PRESCRIPTIVELY IN THE SENSE OF SAYING, WELL, THIS IS A MILITARY CADET, OR THIS IS A FEMALE CADET, AND THEREFORE SHE NEEDS THIS, RIGHT.

IT'S ALLOWING THEM TO BE, TO IDENTIFY MAYBE WHAT A DEFICIENCY IS OR WHAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING IN.

AND THEN THE INSTRUCTORS ALSO DO THAT.

RIGHT.

AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE WAYS IN WHICH WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU HELD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HELD YOUR FIREARM THIS WAY, OR IF YOU DID THIS THIS WAY, OR YOU MIGHT NEED MORE REPS OR PRACTICE IN THIS WAY, HAVE YOU TRIED IT? AND GIVEN THAT OUR INSTRUCTORS HAVE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AS WELL, THEY'RE ABLE TO BRING THEIR EXPERIENCES AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, I DIDN'T LEARN IT THIS WAY.

I LEARNED IT THIS OTHER WAY.

YOU KNOW? UM, SO ABSOLUTELY WE JUST DON'T REALLY SORT OF THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF WHO THEIR BACKGROUND THEN MEANS THEY GET THIS SORT OF TRACK, RIGHT.

WE THINK OF IT AS THEY'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS.

AND THEN WE TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET THEM UP TO THIS TRAINING? UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY CAN BE PROFICIENT IN THEIR, IN THEIR SKILLSET, UM, GIVEN WHATEVER THEIR BACKGROUND IS.

UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS, DR.

CREAGAN, UM, QUESTION IS MORE, IT'S ACTUALLY LESS ABOUT THE ACADEMY GRIP SPECIFICALLY.

I THINK I MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNCLEAR IN MY, IN MY DESCRIPTION FOR TODAY'S MEETING.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, DATA.

THE DEPARTMENT KEEPS ABOUT ONGOING TRAINING THAT OCCURS AFTER THE ACADEMY SPECIFICALLY THAT FULFILLS TICO REQUIREMENTS, UH, WHICH ARE NOT ALWAYS GIVEN BY APD ITSELF.

THEY CAN BE FULFILLED BY THIRD-PARTY TRAINERS.

AND SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT TWO THINGS.

ONE WHAT OUTSIDE TRAINING AGENCIES OR PROVIDERS ARE BEING USED BY THE ACADEMY IN ITS DAY TO DAY ACADEMY TRAINING, UM, AND B OF THOSE HOURS THAT ARE BEING FULFILLED OUTSIDE OF THE APD CONTEXT TO FULFILL T CODE REQUIREMENTS, WHO ARE THOSE TRAINING PROVIDERS, WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? WHAT ARE THE KINDS OF CLASSES THAT OFFICERS ARE TAKING TO FULFILL THOSE HOURS? UM, MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME.

UM, I WAS MORE THINKING OF CADET, UH, CLASSES AND INSTRUCTION AND NUMBER OF HOURS.

UM, BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

AND JUST SO I CAN REPHRASE THE QUESTION TO ENSURE THAT I HAVE THE ACCURATE INFORMATION, UM, YOU'RE THINKING NOT CADET CLASS, BUT MORE WHAT WE CALL CONTINUING EDUCATION

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OR ONGOING.

UM, WHAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE BY-PASS T COLE HOURS.

AND WE CAN GIVE YOU OBVIOUSLY THE LIST OF ALL CLASSES THAT ARE TAUGHT IN CONTINUING EDUCATION, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE TAUGHT BY OTHERS OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHO ARE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO TEACH THAT TRAINING? SO, YES.

SO THE FULL BREAKDOWN, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF HOURS ARE, ARE, UM, ARE ACCOUNTED FOR BY CLASSES, TAUGHT AT THE APD ACADEMY TO FULFILL T COLE AS WELL AS WHICH CLASSES ARE FULFILLING THOSE HOURS FROM OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF APD SPECIFICALLY.

UM, AND ON THE NOTE OF THE HOURS REQUIREMENT, UM, THIS ISSUE OF DEESCALATION RUNNING THROUGH EVERYTHING IS THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE SEEN IN MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE A SENSE OF KNOWING THAT YOU CAN'T ALWAYS INCREASE ON COLE, WHICH THE DEPARTMENT DOES, WHERE ARE THEY CHOOSING TO INCREASE OUR SPECIFICALLY IN THE PAST, THAT TENDS TO BE IN THINGS LIKE DEFENSIVE TACTICS.

IT TENDS TO BE IN THINGS LIKE FIREARMS, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE THOSE HOURS ARE BEING INVESTED IN THE APD ACADEMY.

GREAT.

YEAH, I CAN TAKE IT BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONE.

THANKS.

HELLO.

THIS IS AMANDA SPEAKING.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION JUST SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE, UM, THE GROUNDWATER ANALYSIS PIECE.

UM, I, I DID PARTICIPATE IN ONE OF THOSE TRAININGS, UM, AND IF, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY CHALLENGING SPACE AND I'M HEARING FROM OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS