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[00:00:08]

OKAY,

[CALL TO ORDER]

WE'RE GONNA CALL THE MEETING OF THE MUSIC COMMISSION TO ORDER AT 6 43.

AND WE HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE, UH, TONIGHT, AND THEN ONE MORE ARRIVING IN PERSON.

I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE EVEN SO COMING, SO, BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

UH, SO WE'RE GONNA

[MUSICAL PERFORMANCE (Part 1 of 2)]

START OFF WITH MUSICAL PERFORMANCES THAT ARE FROM DISTRICT SIX.

SO THAT'S COMMISSIONER, UH, METTA CHARLA'S DISTRICT.

SO I'LL LET YOU DO THE INTRODUCTIONS.

YEAH.

ARE WE READY TO GO? GREAT.

UM, WELL, I, I, I WANTED TO INTRODUCE, UH, UM, TWO ARTISTS, UM, IN THIS FORM HERE.

UH, NITA, THE FIRST ARTIST IS NITA TRAVELER.

UM, SHE GOES BY ANITA, SHE'S NEWER TO AUSTIN, UH, BORN IN MISSISSIPPI OF EAST INDIAN ORIGIN AND, UH, WAS RAISED JUST OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON, D C UH, SHE'S UM, FABULOUS, UH, CLASSICAL PIANO PLAYER AND A SINGER SONG WRITER AND HAS RELEASED TWO ALBUMS IN SEVERAL SINGLES.

SHE HAD ONE OF HER SONGS FOR GET ME FEATURED ON THE VOICE.

UM, SHE HAS BEEN IN LA FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS, FROM 2015 TO 20, AND, UH, IS NOW IN AUSTIN AND CONTINUING TO CONNECT WITH THEIR FANS THROUGH, UH, MOSTLY LIVE STREAMS AND RELEASING SOME NEW MUSIC AT THIS POINT.

SO, UH, TO NEED THAT EVEN BABY, IT'S HARD TO BE WHO YOU, YOU FEEL.

SO SCOTT STAY BABY.

IT'S TOUGH WHEN YOU'RE JUST IN YOUR OWN WAY.

DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY TRY TO THEIR BEST WAS

[00:05:12]

THAT THEY DO THAT IN THERE.

THIS WAS, THIS WAS INTRODUCTION IN AUSTIN.

THAT'S BETTY SUE.

I, UH, WANTED TO, UH, PRESENT HER HERE.

SHE WAS ONE OF THE, UH, UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN VIDEOS LIKE THIS BEFORE THE BIG SECRET.

YOU MAY ONE SECOND.

THERE'S A PROBLEM GOING ON.

SORRY.

YOU MIGHT THINK THE PROFESSIONAL ANIMATOR OR TO LEARN SOME FANCY EDITING PROGRAM, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

IN FACT, WE KNOW YOU CAN MAKE A PRO THAT WE GOT IT STOPPED.

I APOLOGIZE.

GO AHEAD.

OH, NO WORRIES.

UH, SO IT, IT WAS FOR ME, UM, SHE WAS, UM, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST STATION, AMERICAN FEMALE ARTISTS THAT I KIND OF SAW PROMINENTLY ON THE, ON THE SCENE WHEN I CAME, UM, TO AUSTIN, UH, SEEING HER ON THE COVER OF SOME, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PUBLICATIONS AND WHATNOT.

AND THAT WAS QUITE, QUITE INSPIRING.

UH, UH, JUST TO SEE THAT FOR ME, UH, BETTY SUE WAS RAISED OUTSIDE OF HOUSTON BY FIRST-GENERATION KOREAN IMMIGRANT PARENTS.

UH, SHE SAID YOU GATED AT UT AND, UH, GREW UP LISTENING TO THE GREAT AMERICAN SONGBOOK AND COUNTRY RADIO.

UH, SHE HAS WON SEVERAL AWARDS, UM, INCLUDING NEW FOLK AT KERRVILLE AMONGST OTHERS.

AND IT'S PLAYED SEVERAL FESTIVALS, INCLUDING MANY SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST, UH, KERRVILLE, ET CETERA.

UM, DURING COVID I'VE REALLY SEEN BETTY SUE KIND OF, UH, GO BAKE ON A LIVE STREAM AND A LOT OF EVENTS THAT SHE'S BEEN RUNNING AND CONNECTING TO AUDIENCES THROUGH LIVE STREAMS. AND, UH, UH, JUST BEFORE THAT, UM, I ALSO KNOW THAT BETTY SUE IS, UH, ONE OF THE TRIO WITH REBECCA LOBBY AND GRACE PETTIS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN TOURING QUITE NONSTOP WITH, UH, NOBODY'S SERVED WITH THE NOBODY SKILL PROJECT.

SO THIS IS BETTY SUE, UH, RECORDING AT, UH, OWN, UH, 5 1, 2 STUDIOS HERE IN AUSTIN.

FOR THE NEXT ONE SHOULDER RANDOM.

MOST OF GETS YOU NOWHERE DONATE.

MY CONSCIOUSNESS HAS NO LUXURY I'M HOLDING.

I HOPE THAT THINGS DON'T MAKE ME FEEL AS OPEN, LIKE EVERYDAY IS LOOKING EVEN HOPELESS.

I HOLD MY HEAD UP LIKE A KINGDOM RIGHT.

IT LOOKS LIKE I'M PLAYING THE WRONG VIDEO.

GIVE ME A SECOND

[00:10:31]

WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR BETTY SUE'S VIDEO, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

TO, UM, ITEM, WANT APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? SO EVERYBODY CAN TAKE A MOMENT.

HOPEFULLY, UH, LAST MEETING WAS COMPLICATED, SO I JUST WANT TO COMPLIMENT STAFF ON DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB OF CAPTURING THE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION AND THE, UM, THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONERS ON, UM, ONE ITEM IN PARTICULAR.

SO, BUT YES, I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE.

SO ALL IN FAVOR ORANGE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

SORRY, WHO MADE THE MOTION? OKAY, THANKS.

YEAH, I WILL.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE CHAIR'S REPORT

[2. CHAIR’S REPORT]

AS WELL.

CAUSE THAT'S BRIEF.

UM, JUST WHILE WE'RE SORTING OUT THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE, UM, WHICH IS LIKE THE THEME FOR THIS MEETING, I THINK THAT THERE WAS CAR TROUBLE AND ELEVATOR TROUBLE AND EVERYTHING TONIGHT.

SO THIS IS JUST PAR FOR THE COURSE.

SO I APPRECIATE STAFF TURNED TO SORT THIS OUT.

UM, BUT YEAH, SO THIS, THIS IS OUR DECEMBER MEETING.

I WANTED TO THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S AHEAD FOR US IN 2022.

UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY BE WRAPPING UP IS THE FUNDING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, FOR THE LIVE MUSIC FUND, BUT THERE'S ALSO A WORKING GROUP FOR A JOINT WORKING GROUP WITH ARTS, LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES.

SO WE WORK A LOT WITH CITY FUNDS AND PUBLIC FUNDS.

UM, THE LIVE MUSIC FUND IN PARTICULAR DEALS WITH HOT FUNDS WITH THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES IS EVERYBODY HERE, UH, BESIDE ME KNOWS, UH, BUT THE JOINT ARTS AND MUSIC, UH, ALTERNATE FUNDING SOURCE WORKING GROUP IS LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE PRIVATE PHILANTHROPY, CORPORATE PARTNERSHIPS, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN, UH, SOME PARTNERSHIPS POSSIBLY WITH AIRBNB, ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE ANYTHING, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT GROUP IS REALLY JUST AN, A BRAINSTORMING MODE.

SO THAT'S, UM, DEFINITELY AHEAD, BUT ANOTHER BIG ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UM, BUT NOT REALLY COMPLETELY TACKLED, UM, AS A GROUP, AS A, AS A COMMISSION IS THE AFFORDABILITY OF REAL ESTATE.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOWER REAL ESTATE PRICES IN AUSTIN, BUT WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT WAYS TO THAT WE CAN BE A VOICE FOR AFFORDABILITY IN AUSTIN, SO THAT, UM, WOULD INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS AFFORDABLE VENUE AND PERFORMANCE SPACE, UH, THE AUSTIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THEY INDICATED TO US LAST TIME WHEN THEY WERE HERE.

UM, AND IN VERONICA PRESENTED TO US AND TALKED ABOUT HOW THE ADC IS GOING TO BE REALLY FOCUSED ON INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN EVERY DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF ABOUT IN EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY TAKE ON.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE OUR COMMISSION TO PAY ATTENTION TO YOU AND ADVOCATE FOR.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO FORM A WORKING GROUP OR WHATNOT, WE WILL LOOK FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S A BIG ONE TO TACKLE, BUT REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL AGAIN, UM, EVEN WITH, AS I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, UH, TO, TO FILL THAT FUNDING GAP AND DO SOME REALLY VISIONARY THINGS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE VENUE SPACE HERE.

UH, AND ALSO ON THAT NOTE TOO, WITH VENUE SPACE, UH, LAST, LAST THING ABOUT THIS.

SO WEDNESDAY MORNING AT 9:00 AM AT THE LONG CENTER, THERE'S GOING TO BE A Q AND A ON THE CULTURAL TRUST RFP THAT HAS JUST OPENED.

SO, UH, THERE'S 16.9 MILLION AVAILABLE AND FUNDING FOR, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S MORE LIKE VENUE SPACE.

I WON'T GO OVER ALL OF THAT.

AND

[00:15:01]

GATLING HANES SPOKE ABOUT ALL OF THAT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, BUT REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE WITH, UH, SOME INTEREST IN THOSE PROJECTS TO ATTEND THAT INFORMATION SESSION AND BRING QUESTIONS.

THERE'S ALSO A ZOOM LINK FOR THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, AS A MUSIC COMMISSION, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO POST THAT.

UM, AND THE AEDC HAS A CULTURAL TRUST WEBSITE AS WELL.

SO, BUT, UM, I I'LL FORWARD THAT INFO TO, UH, TO OUR STAFF LIAISON KIM, AND SHE CAN SHARE IT WITH THE OTHER MUSIC COMMISSIONERS.

AND I JUST ENCOURAGE ALL THE MUSIC COMMISSIONERS TO PLEASE SHARE THAT WITH YOUR NETWORKS.

UM, AND THAT'S IT FOR CHAIRS REPORT.

SO WE'LL PUT THE PRESSURE BACK ON STAFF TO SEE IF THEY CAN PULL UP BETTY SUE'S VIDEO AND STAFF, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED MORE TIME TO WORK WITH THAT WEEKEND, WE CAN POP BACK INTO THAT AT ANY MOMENT.

YEAH.

I FEEL GIVE US SOME TIME TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL TROUBLESHOOTING.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PLAY THAT.

NO WORRIES.

OKAY.

UM, OKAY.

YEAH.

WELL, WHY DON'T WE, SINCE LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO OLD BUSINESS.

OKAY.

SO I'LL MOTION TO MOVE, UH, FOR A UP TO NOW.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO THAT'S DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

UM, OH, FOUR EIGHT.

DO YOU WANT TO START? WELL, I FIGURED WORKING GROUPS IS, UH, NOT SO HEAVY A TOPIC OF SOME OF THE ONES WE'RE DEALING WITH.

SO IT'S EASIER TO JUMP IN AND OUT OF WORK FORAYS.

I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN OLDEST.

IS THERE A SECOND?

[3b. Discussion and Possible Action on which working groups are still active and which are dissolved.]

OH, I NEED THREE B.

SORRY.

I SAW, I SAW WORKING, SORRY.

THREE B SECOND, SECOND.

YEP.

OKAY.

WE HAVE TO VOTE JUST TO MOVE IT UP TO, WE HAVE TO VOTE.

OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR JUST IN CASE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO OUTLINE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, SO WE CAN, UH, KNOW WHERE WE ARE AND, AND CONFIRM THAT WE, THE ONES THAT HAVE SORT OF QUIETLY DISSOLVED, WE WANT DISSOLVED, AND WHETHER WE WANT TO CHANGE ANY OF THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, UH, 14 WORKING GROUPS ON THE LIST.

UH, THREE OF THEM ARE MUSIC COMMISSION ONLY.

I KNOW FOUR OF THEM ARE MUSIC COMMISSION ONLY AND ARE CURRENTLY TECHNICALLY ACTIVE.

UH, THREE ARE WITH THE JOINT WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION.

AND SOME OF THEM I THINK ARE ACTIVE IN SOME OF THEM ARE TECHNICALLY ACTIVE, BUT I'M NOT SURE ANYTHING'S ACTUALLY, ANYTHING'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

AND THEN WE GOT SIX THAT ARE, HAVE TECHNICALLY DONE THEIR WORK AND MADE THEIR REPORT OR THEIR NOMINATION OR WHATEVER IT IS.

AND, UH, IN THEORY THAT THAT LETS THEM DISSOLVE.

SO, UH, UH, THE FIRST THREE ARE THE MUSICAL ONLY ONGOING ONES, WHICH ARE SYSTEMIC RACISM, FINANCE, WORKING GROUP, AND, UH, STAFF.

WASN'T CLEAR ON WHO'S ON THAT ONE.

THAT'S FLED BY YOU RN ESTABLISHED APRIL 5TH THIS YEAR.

YES, THAT IS, UH, JUST ME AND GAVIN ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO'VE BEEN IN THE FINANCE.

WE MADE A REPORT.

UM, WE COULD MAKE OTHER REPORTS, BUT WE MADE THAT ONE REPORT.

SO I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND RE DISSOLVE THAT ONE FOR NOW.

OKAY.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND, UH, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MOTION TO REMOVE ON THAT BECAUSE ONCE YOU MAKE A FINAL REPORT, THREE IN THREE AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN, ALL RIGHT, NEXT ONE IS GENDER EQUITY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ONGOING.

IT'S ONGOING.

WE'VE BEEN ON A LITTLE BIT OF A HIATUS BECAUSE THE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN VERY CONSUMED WITH LIVE MUSIC FUN.

BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT HAS A PROGRAM THAT SHE'S WORKING ON THAT, UM, SHE WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION SUPPORT ON, AND IT IS RELATED TO THE GENDER EQUITY WORKING GROUP.

SO THERE WILL BE SOME SOMETHING NEW FORTHCOMING SOON.

RIGHT.

GREAT.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE THAT'S MUSIC COMMISSION ONLY, AND CURRENTLY ACTIVE IS THE ONE WE ESTABLISHED LAST TIME, WHICH IS THE LIVE MUSIC FUND GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF STAKEHOLDERS AND THAT SCOTT SHAKA STEWART AND NOT KABALE.

YEAH.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THAT GROUP, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY A LIST OF THOSE FOR THE RECORD.

OH YEAH.

KNOCK A BALL.

LIKE, DO YOU WANT TO, UM, I CAN, UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I CAN EMAIL OVER? I THINK SO.

YEAH, I CAN AND I CAN SPEAK TO IT.

YEAH.

GREAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO I THINK THOSE ARE ONES THAT, UH, OTHER THAN DISSOLVING FINANCE, WE WANT TO KEEP GOING FOR THE MOMENT.

OKAY.

WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION, WE HAVE THREE CREATIVE SPACE, BOND, JOINT

[00:20:01]

ARTS AND CREATIVE SPACE BOND.

THAT'S FROM 2018, WE HAVE A LAND DEVELOPMENT AND PERMITTING WORKING GROUP.

WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE, THE FUNDING EX EXPLORE PRIVATE PHILANTHROPY TO FUND ARTS AND MUSIC.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S ONE THAT STAFF WASN'T SURE WHO WAS ON THAT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN ACTIVE WITH THAT ONE.

SO LAUREN, A WARRANT AND ORRIN AND, UM, AND MYSELF, OR, OKAY, GREAT.

GREAT.

AND, AND WHO'S ON FROM THE ART SIDE IS SALINA SUSSMAN.

AND, UM, HI.

HI, MAY.

OKAY.

AND HEIDI SMALL BLOCK, I THINK IS HOW HER LAST NAME IS PRONOUNCED, BUT YEAH.

AND LULU AND LULU.

YEAH.

SO, UH, SO THAT ONE'S ONGOING ACTIVELY, THE CREATIVE SPACE BOND HAS THAT MET IN AWHILE.

THERE'S A, THAT STUART ORIN, LOU CRUCEY BRETT AND SHAKA, MY GUESS IS HADN'T MET IN A WHILE.

WE KIND OF FINISHED UP ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

GEE.

OKAY.

SO WE CAN LET THAT ONE DISSOLVE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO CREATIVE SPACE, BOND, JOINT DISSOLVE.

GREAT.

UH, THEN, UH, I'VE BEEN, WAS INVOLVED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING GROUP AND WE HAVE NOT MET IN A LONG TIME EITHER.

AND DOG WAS THE OTHER PERSON ON THAT FROM US.

PART OF ME WONDERS IF WE ESTABLISH A LIAISON GROUP WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION THAT, UH, JUST IS ONGOING AND TAKES ON EVOLVING ISSUES THAT INVOLVE BOTH SIDES RATHER THAN CREATING A BUNCH OF MICRO GROUPS.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, OR, OR WE MAY, I MEAN, IF WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, AS IS MY HOPE THAT WE'RE TAKING ON SPACE ISSUES, I THINK LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS, IS, AS IT RELATES TO ZONING IS DEFINITELY GOING TO FALL UNDER THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS MAYBE I PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER, SO THAT'S THE CASE WE'LL NEED SOMETHING.

COULD DOUG IS NO LONGER ON THE COMMISSION.

RIGHT.

SO WE BE IDEAL IF WE HAD AT LEAST ONE MORE PERSON FROM THE MUSIC COMMISSION, JOIN ME ON THAT ONE.

AND WE COULD REACTIVATE IT.

I MEAN, WE WERE HAVING MEETINGS ALL THE TIME AND THEN CODE NEXT, WENT AWAY.

AND THEN LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE LAST IS, THE LAWSUIT THAT KIND OF SHUT DOWN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, THEN IT CHANGED ACRONYMS. UM, AND THEN THAT LAWSUIT IS COMING IS LIKE THERE'S STUFF HAPPENING WITH THAT NOW.

SO I DO THINK LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS GOING TO COME BACK, IS GOING TO RESURFACE IN 2022.

OKAY.

SOUNDS GOOD.

WHO IS INTERESTED IN JOINING THAT PARTY? THIS IS A MUSIC AND ARTS DISGUSTING, THE VERY SEXY LAND DEVELOPMENT AND PERMITTING, UH, CODING.

ALL RIGHT.

SO GREAT.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, SO KIM, DID YOU GET THAT? OKAY, GREAT.

UM, WELL THEN I'M GONNA MAKE MYSELF A LITTLE ACTION ITEM TO EMAIL US ALL AND GET THAT GOING AGAIN.

OH, HERE WE GO.

WE'RE FAR ENOUGH.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.

I'M SORRY.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

UH, DO WE WANT TO TABLE THIS, DO BETTY SUE AND COME BACK OR WE WANT TO FINISH THIS UP AND THEN DO BASIC.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO THE END BECAUSE THE REST ARE TANGLY DISSOLVED.

SO WE'LL WRAP UP THIS ITEM REAL QUICK AND THEN WE'LL ALL RIGHT.

WILL YOU MOVE ON? CAN I JUST, UH, STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT I'M ALSO A PART OF THAT, UH, LIVE MUSIC FUND GUIDELINES WORKING GROUP.

YES.

UM, THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, LAUREN AND I, AND I ALSO WANTED TO JUST SAY THAT, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING UP, UH, AFFORDABILITY AND LAND USE PERMITTING STUFF IN THE FUTURE, UM, MAYBE THIS LIVE MUSIC FUND, UH, GUIDELINES WORKING GROUP WILL BE WRAPPED UP AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT AREA.

AND THEN THAT MIGHT FREE SOME OF US UP, UH, TO SWITCH OUR FOCUS TO A DIFFERENT WORKING GROUPS THAT ARE NOT ON YOUR OWN GRANT WITH THAT.

SO THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN.

YEAH.

AND WE'VE GOT, I THINK TWO OF US FROM EACH COMMISSION IS PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD.

AND THEN WE REPORT BACK AND HAVE THE FULLER CONVERSATION.

SO THAT'S GREAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

[00:25:01]

SO THE LAST LIST, THESE ARE ALL ONES THAT HAVE MADE REPORTS OR NOMINATIONS AND ARE CONSIDERED DISSOLVED SINCE WE NEVER ACTUALLY DISCUSSED IT.

JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT NO ONE IS ACTUALLY STILL MEETING OR THINKS THAT THIS IS, SHOULD BE AN ONGOING GROUP.

SO THERE'S LIVE MUSIC FUND WORKING GROUP.

I GAVE A FINAL PORT.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN, BUT, UH, THAT WAS A WHOLE LOT OF FOLKS THAT'S CON DISSOLVED.

OKAY.

THE CREATIVE SPACE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, UH, JOINT ARTS AND MUSIC, AND THAT DISSOLVED AND JUST SPEAK UP IF THERE YOU'RE LIKE, OH NO, NO, WE'RE STILL MEETING A ADVISORY GROUP TO GUIDE THE DISTRIBUTION OF DISASTER RELIEF FUNDS.

THE PROGRAM ENDED.

SO THAT, THAT ONE DISSOLVE VENUE PRESERVATION WORKING GROUP PROGRAM ENDED IN THAT ONE DISSOLVED THAT A WORKING GROUP FOR A D NOMINATION, THE NOMINATION WAS MADE DISSOLVED.

AND FINALLY, UH, THE WORKING GROUP TO DEVELOP GUIDELINES, RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND CRITERIA FOR THIRD PARTY FOR LIVE MUSIC FUND AND AUSTIN MUSIC, DISASTER RELIEF FUND, UM, THAT, THAT ALL, THEY ALSO Y'ALL ALSO REPORTED BACK.

UM, THAT WAS SHAKA YOU GAVIN, LAUREN, BALI AND SCOTT.

YEP.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO THAT JUST A QUICK SUMMARY, THE ACT OF ONES THAT LEAVE THOSE WITH SYSTEMIC RACISM, GENDER EQUITY, LIVE MUSIC FUND GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF STAKEHOLDERS, AND THEN JOINTLY WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN, UH, ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES THERE.

WE GREAT.

AWESOME.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS FOR HELPING US WITH THAT.

HOUSEKEEPING.

I KNOW YOU AND I WILL BOTH SLEEP BETTER TONIGHT KNOWING THAT WE FINALLY WORKED THROUGH THAT IDA.

ALL RIGHT.

[MUSICAL PERFORMANCE (Part 2 of 2)]

WELL, NOW WE GET BACK.

NOW, IT'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE A REAL TREAT, UH, AFTER THAT, UH, IT GETS TO WATCH THIS VIDEO PERFORMANCE FROM BETTY SUE

[00:30:40]

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THAT WAS TOTALLY WORTH WAITING FOR HER OF, UH, AWESOMELY TALENTED LADIES FROM DISTRICT SIX.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD, LIKE WALLY ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS? NO.

JUST THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TO THE MUSIC COMMISSION FOR ACTUALLY CREATING THIS FORM HERE FOR REPRESENTING ARTISTS.

THAT'S THAT'S JUST WONDERFUL.

UM, BETTY SUE, UH, SHE'S.

SHE'S JUST HAS, UH, SHE PLAYS A WHOLE RANGE OF, UH, MUSIC.

UH, SHE'S GOT SOME REALLY SOFTER BALLADS THAT ARE JUST AMAZING.

AND THEN SHE HAS THIS, THIS END OF THE SPECTRUM WHERE SHE'S PLAYING A MORE HEAVIER MUSIC.

SO IT'S, IT'S AN ARTIST THAT I REALLY ADMIRE.

UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, EVERYBODY BE SURE TO GO CHECK THOSE LADIES OUT.

THEY'RE AMAZING.

AND THEIR BANDS ARE GREAT, SUPER TALENTED.

UM, OKAY, SO CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TONIGHT.

UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ON TO, UH,

[3a. Discussion and Possible Action regarding process for nominating board representation for the Austin Economic Development Corporation (AEDC).]

OLD BUSINESS THREE, A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING PROCESS FOR NOMINATING BOARD REPRESENTATION FOR THE AUSTIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

THE AEDC.

SO WE HAVE MUSIC HAS OUR OWN REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD AND CURRENTLY THAT'S EMMETT BELIVEAU, BUT, UM, THE WAY THE CALENDAR RUNS ON THAT APPOINTMENT, IT'S A ONE-YEAR APPOINTMENT AND THAT'S WRAPPING UP.

UM, SO EMMA, I WAS IN TOUCH WITH EMMETT AND HE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE AND THE WAY WE, HE WAS NOMINATED.

AND INITIALLY THERE WAS A NOMINATING COMMITTEE, A WORKING GROUP THAT HANDLED THAT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, I GUESS A CHOICE, UH, IN FRONT OF US, WE CAN EITHER, YOU KNOW, RE REAPPOINT, UH, AN ELBOW, OR WE COULD GO BACK INTO A, A NOMINATING PROCEDURE AND LOOK AT OTHER CANDIDATES.

AND SO WE'RE, I'M LOOKING AT YOU BECAUSE YOU HAD HANDLED THE, THE LOGISTICS OF THAT BEFORE.

AND IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS ON THE PROPER PROCESS.

WELL, UM, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE A CHOICE BEFORE US, RIGHT? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST GONE BY, IN A FLASH.

YEAH.

NOW WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN AND, UH, AND, AND RECON RECONSIDER PEOPLE, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST I WOULD LIKE TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW THE REST OF US, UH, FEEL ABOUT ENIN.

DO WE FEEL WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO CONTINUE THE WORK THAT HE'S DOING? IF SO, I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY OKAY FOR US TO SAY, HEY, WE EXTENDED ANOTHER YEAR AND THEN WE'LL RESUME THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION AGAIN, EITHER HE MIGHT WANT TO LEAVE, OR WE MIGHT WANT SOMEONE NEW AND THEN WE CAN BEGIN A NEW PROCESS, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A WHOLE LOT SIMPLER IF HE WANTS TO STAY.

AND WE WANT HIM TO STAY JUST TO HAVE HIM STAY.

SO I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE WE SATISFIED WITH HIS, WITH HIS PERFORMANCE SO FAR? YEAH.

I MEAN, IT'S INDICATED THEY'VE, I MEAN, SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO DO IN 2021.

THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION IS A NEW AND FLEDGLING ORGANIZATION.

UM, SO HE, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY SOUNDS LIKE KEY WANTS TO, UM, DIG IN AND DO MORE WORK.

THERE'S A LOT AHEAD OF THEM.

UM, HE DID SEND AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF THE ADC, WHICH IS THAT THERE'S BEEN AN AD HOC WORKING GROUP FORM TO LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF THE AEDC ADMINISTERING THE LIVE MUSIC FUND AT SOME POINT.

UM, AND SO HE'S A MEMBER OF THAT WORKING GROUP, SO, UM, HE'S DEFINITELY COMMITTED TO PARTICIPATING GOING FORWARD.

I DON'T, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH HIM CONTINUING, UH, AND I KNOW OUR OTHER, THE OTHER PERSON THAT WE HAD CONSIDERED WAS LIKE A TOP CONTENDER AT THE TIME BECAME THE, THE ARTS APPOINTEE.

SO, UM, HE'S, HE'S THERE AND REPRESENTING, UM, THE COMMUNITY WELL, SO I'LL THROW IT OUT TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS, IF ANYBODY HAS FEELS LIKE WE WANT TO, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER CANDIDATES OR, OR JUST A ROLE WITHIN IT, THE SCHOOL, YEAH.

FOR TERESA.

YEAH.

I, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW,

[00:35:01]

THINKING BACK ON WORKING ON THAT GROUP, UM, AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE ALL HAD, AND ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE, UH, OTHER, UH, CANDIDATE WHO IS, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT POSITION ELSEWHERE, KNOWING ALL THE WORK THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING TO DEVELOP THAT AND THAT IT'S NEW.

IT FEELS LIKE ALL THE TIME WHEN WE'RE IN THESE POLITICAL SCENARIOS AND SUDDENLY THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE IF IT'S HASN'T DEVELOPED AS FAR, THEN YOU HAVE TO START ALL OVER, UH, WHICH PROBABLY WOULDN'T SERVE VERY WELL.

AND ALSO JUST REMEMBERING, UM, EMITS A RESUME AND ALL THE WORK THAT HE'S DONE, UM, IN THE PAST, EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE FELT LIKE HE WAS VERY STRONG CONTENDER, SO I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT HIM STAYING ON.

OKAY.

I I'D LIKE TO ASK, UM, COMMISSIONER MAHONE'S THOUGHTS BECAUSE, UH, YOU WERE ON THE, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU WERE WITH THIS CHOCOLATE.

UH, IF I RECALL, WE WERE LOOKING AT BOTH, UH, CARL AND EMMETT, AND WE SAID IF ONLY THEY COULD BOTH BE ON THE BOAT ON, ON THE AEDC AND POOF THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, BUT I I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS, UH, ON, ON THE, ON THE MATTER.

UM, I MEAN, I THINK JUST IN TERMS OF THE TIMEFRAME AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, SEEING THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOW THROUGH INTO THE NEXT YEAR.

I HAPPEN TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH HIM REALLY ONE-ON-ONE FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, HIS PRESENTATIONS TO THE MUSIC COMMISSION I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THOROUGH AND, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE RHYTHM OF, OF WHAT'S AND TO KEEP THEM ON AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR AND REVISIT, REVISIT.

GREAT.

WELL, I MEAN, UNLESS, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE, UH, YOU KNOW, EMMETT WANTS TO STAY, WE WANT EMMA TO STAY, SO THEREFORE I MOVE THAT WE REAPPOINT EMMETT BELIVEAU AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THE AEDC FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL INSIDE HERE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

GRAHAM SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR.

OKAY.

IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY AT HOME AGREES.

OKAY, GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

FANTASTIC.

WELL, I'LL LET HIM KNOW, AND I KNOW HE'LL BE PLEASED AND, UH, HE'LL HOPEFULLY BE JOINING US AT THE JANUARY MEETING AND I'LL HAVE AN UPDATE ABOUT WHAT THE WORK, I THINK THAT THAT WORKING GROUP I MENTIONED, UM, IT WILL BE BEING THIS MONTH AND THE AEDC SHOULD BE MEETING NEXT MONDAY.

SO HE'LL HAVE UPDATES FOR US IN JANUARY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WATCH OR ATTEND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN WATCH, YOU CAN DEFINITELY ATTEND ADC MEETINGS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE RECORDED, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, AS, AS MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, STAY UP TO DATE WITH THAT.

UM, BUT YEAH, LOTS GOING ON WITH THE ADC IN 2022, AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY INVOLVED, UM, AND THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GIVING OUR INPUT AS A COMMISSION.

OKAY, AWESOME.

SO WE ALREADY DID THREE B AND SO

[3c. Discussion and Possible Action after update from Systemic Racism Working Group.]

ITEM THREE C IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AFTER UPDATE FROM THE SYSTEMIC RACISM WORKING GROUP.

SO, UH, PITCH IT TO COMMISSIONER MY HOME.

UM, WE'RE STILL ON PAUSE THAT GROUP.

I THINK WE CAN, UH, TAKE THAT OFF THE AGENDA FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH OR SO TO GO THROUGH WITH THE LAB MUSIC, UH, FARM WORKING GROUP.

WE'RE KIND OF ON A HIATUS RIGHT NOW.

IT'S THE MAIN FOCUS, SO.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

SO I'LL JUST CHECK WITH YOU LATER IN DECEMBER AND SEE IF YOU WANT TO DO HAVE IT ON THE JANUARY AGENDA.

I KNOW WITH THE HOLIDAYS, IT MIGHT NEED A LONGER PAUSE, BUT I'LL JUST SAY WE'LL PROBABLY BE LOOKING MORE LIKE THE SPRING, IF I'M BEING HONEST WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, MY BABY COMING IN AND EVERYTHING.

SO, UM, YEAH, SO JUST TO BE REAL, I DON'T SEE ANY MOVEMENT SINCE LIKE A LOT OF IT IS INVOLVED WITH THE POLICE.

THAT'S COMING FROM THE MUSIC COMMISSION.

WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING INVOLVED, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME ORGANIZATION ON MY END, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO, YEAH, I'M THINKING MORE OF THE SPRING FOR THE PICK UP THAT.

I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE IN THE, UH, HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE SYSTEMIC RACISM WORKING GROUP THAT ARE NOW WORKING ON LIVE MUSIC FUND? UM, SO THERE'S LIKE MUSIC FUND IS TAKING A LOT OF ENERGY FROM A LOT OF FOLKS, SO THAT'S A BIG FOCUS RIGHT NOW.

EXACTLY.

AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON.

SO YEAH, I THINK, UH, WE'LL JUST TAKE A LITTLE COST.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE GOT ON THE TABLE THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME MORE, UM, FOLKS WITH A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SKILL SET THAN THE FOLKS THAT WE HAD IN OUR INITIAL GROUP.

OKAY, COOL.

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ALL RIGHT.

THAT IS ALL OF OLD BUSINESS.

SO, UM, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS AND WE HAVE, UM, SOME SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.

I THINK ONE OF THE SPEAKERS IS ACTUALLY HERE FOR ITEM FOUR B UH, BRUCE .

OKAY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.

I'LL JUST, UH, WE'LL PAUSE ON THAT.

AND THEN, UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH OUR FIRST

[4a. Discussion and Possible Action following update from the Working Group on the Live Music Fund Eligibility Requirements/Stakeholders.]

SPEAKER FOR ITEM FOUR, A AND THAT'S EILEEN BRISTOL.

UH, WHO'S REPRESENTING THE SAHARA LOUNGE.

HELLO? WOO.

I'M EILEEN BRISTOL AND I, UH, ON AND MANAGE, UH, SAHARA LOUNGE, WHICH IS THE EAST SIDE VENUE.

WE'RE PRETTY WELL KNOWN FOR HAVING A DIVERSE LINEUP OF BANDS.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE'LL, WE'RE KIND OF WHERE WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF AUSTIN GO.

SO I HAD SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS, UM, ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON NOW.

UH, WE DO, UH, LIKE I SAY, WE'VE BEEN GOING FOR 10 YEARS.

WE HAVE EVERY SATURDAY AFRICA NIGHT, WHICH IS OUR ONGOING RESIDENCY.

WE WON THE 2020 MUSIC AWARD FOR BEST ONGOING RESIDENCY.

WE WERE SO EXCITED BY THAT.

WE STARTED OUT MAYBE WITH EIGHT PEOPLE SHOWING UP ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AND NOW ON A GOOD NIGHT, WE MIGHT HAVE 200 PASSED THROUGH THERE.

SO IT'S, UH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF IT.

UM, WHEN I THINK SO, AND I PLAY BASS IN FOR THE FOB BAND.

SO I AM APPROACHING THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNDING FOR ARTISTS OF COLOR, THROUGH THE EYES OF A VENUE OWNER AND A BOOKER AS WELL AS A BAND MEMBER.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY I'M WHITE, BUT I ALSO THINK ABOUT THE BANDS THAT I PLAY WITH.

UM, SO ONE THOUGHT I HAD IS IT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE FUNDS GO TOWARD ONCE THE BANDS ARE DEVELOPED AND ARE IDENTIFIED.

AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT'S A TRANSPARENT PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE CAN OPENLY SUBMIT.

AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT A COMMITTEE COMES UP WITH A LIST OF BANDS, BUT ONCE THEY'RE IDENTIFIED, LIKE A LOT OF THE BANDS THAT I KNOW WOULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT, PROFESSIONAL RECORDINGS, PROFESSIONAL VIDEOS, UM, PERHAPS SOME BOOKING SUPPORT, HELPING THEM GET CONNECTED WITH FESTIVALS TO GET THE NAME OUT AROUND THE COUNTRY, UH, DOING THINGS SO THAT WHEN TOURISTS DO COME TO AUSTIN, THAT THEY WANT TO GO HEAR A CERTAIN BAND CAUSE THEY'VE HEARD OF THEM AND IT'S NOT LIKE, CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'RE A DESTINATION VENUE.

SO PEOPLE MIGHT HEAR ABOUT SAHARA FROM A FRIEND, BUT WE'RE NOT DOWNTOWN.

SO PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO RANDOMLY GO IN THERE.

UM, WHICH IS FINE.

WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHO WE ARE, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF PROMOTING SOME OF THE BANDS, UH, TO JUST TO GET THEM BETTER KNOWN SO THAT PEOPLE DO COME OUT AND ALSO KNOW AS A PERSON WHO RUNS A VENUE AND DOES BOOKING AND HAS TO PAY THE BILLS THAT WE CAN HAVE A FANTASTIC BAND.

THAT'S JUST AMAZING MUSIC AND THERE MIGHT BE 10 PEOPLE THERE.

SO IT'S THE NOTION OF MAKING SURE THAT ARTISTS OF COLOR GET A FEE, A FAIR PAY IS IMPORTANT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME GETTING THEM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, I DON'T KNOW.

WE CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ELSE DID YOU HAVE TO SAY TO US? SO, UH, I SEE THAT IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO GET THE BANDS PROMOTED AND IT'S NOT JUST TO GET MONEY INTO THE HANDS OF THE MUSICIANS.

THAT'S BASICALLY BECAUSE THEN IT'S A WIN-WIN AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO VENUES ARE GOING TO WANT TO BOOK THEM BECAUSE THEY GOT A CROWD OUT BECAUSE IF I DON'T SELL ENOUGH TOPO, CHICO, I'M OUT OF LUCK, EVEN IF I LOVE THE BAND, YOU KNOW, SO, AND I BROUGHT A LIST OF BANDS.

I JUST TYPED THIS UP RIGHT BEFORE I CAME THIS LIKE 30 BANDS THAT WE BOOKED IN THE PAST YEAR THAT I THINK WOULD QUALIFY.

UH, WE HAVE AFRO JAZZ AND MUNCHIE GIDDY EGG BEKO, UH, IN THE CREWS SAY HARA ALL-STARS MOSES AND THE SUBWOOFERS, THE MADNESS KIKO VM IS OUR MALA NOTA SYSTEM, POSITIVE, CRUCIAL PROFIT, MEGA 10, JEFF LOFTON, EASY COMPADRE SUNDAY, RAY FREDERICO, SEVEN

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BLUE VINYL CRATES ON THE STEREO, LATIN DUKES, LOS ARCOS, LOS PATTERN, DARROW, STELLA CUMBIA, EXTRA MANTICA EXECUTIVE STEEL BAND LEDDY GARZA, SUGAR WILLIAMS, PAULA MAYA, HAIL MARLEY, AFRO FREAK AND RICA.

LEGORRETA IVY ROOTS AND RAY ARTIEGA.

SO THE, THE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THOSE VANS TO ANYBODY.

SOME OF THEM GOT A CROWD OUT, SOME OF THEM NOT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M JUST HOPING THAT IT WILL BE REALLY TRANSPARENT.

HOW DO PEOPLE APPLY? AND ALSO THAT THERE'S SUPPORT, NOT JUST THAT PEOPLE THAT MUSICIANS CAN TAKE HOME MONEY IN THEIR POCKET, BUT THAT THERE'S SUPPORT SO THAT CUSTOMERS COME OUT.

SO THAT IT'S MORE SATISFYING, FRANKLY, AS A BASS PLAYER, WHEN THERE'S A DANCE FLOOR FULL OF PEOPLE, IT'S A LOT MORE FUN THAN WHEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 10 PEOPLE THERE.

SO, SO THERE'S THAT SIDE, BUT ALSO FROM THE VENUE SIDE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SELL BEVERAGES.

SO THANK YOU.

I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND YEAH, SO YOUR EARS SHOULD TOTALLY BE BURNING BECAUSE EVEN THIS LADY AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU TODAY.

UM, SO I, I AGREE AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THE, THE NEED FOR PROMOTION AND STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR ARTISTS BEING PART OF THIS, BUT JUST, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA ABOUT THIS OR NOT, IF I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE PROMOTION FUNDING FOR THAT, ARE YOU SEEING THAT IS JUST AS A SEPARATE SLICE OF THE FUND THAT THE CITY MANAGES AND PROMOTE SPANS, OR WOULD THAT BE IN INCLUDED IN THESE GRANTS, THESE FIVE TO 10 POTENTIAL FIVE TO $10,000 GRANTS? LIKE WHAT ARTISTS SPEAK IN BE ASKED TO USE A CHUNK OF THAT FOR PROMOTION, OR IF YOU, CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW YOU THINK THAT COULD WORK I'M FRANKLY, PLAYING CATCH UP ON HOW THE WHOLE THING WILL WORK AND I'VE HEARD THIS AND THAT.

UH, SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WERE POTENTIAL GRANTS, BUT I KNEW THAT THERE WANTED TO BE SUPPORT FOR ARTISTS THAT WERE EITHER BLACK, UH, LATIN OR ASIAN.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

SO BY POCK, UH, ARTISTS AND PROMOTERS RIGHT NOW, AS THE, AS THE GUIDELINES ARE WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP DISCUSSING ELIGIBILITY, BUT AS THE GUIDELINES ARE WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, UH, BIPAP ARTISTS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SCORE MORE POINTS.

AND THEN ALSO WOMEN IDENTIFYING LGBTQ AND ARTISTS WITH DISABILITIES.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY SUPPORT FOR THOSE.

SO THEN IT WOULD, SO IT'S POSSIBLE.

IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE A ONE-TIME GRANT AND NOT LIKE AN ONGOING, LIKE IT'S NOT FOR EVERY TIME SOMEBODY, LIKE IF SYSTEM POSITIVE PLAYS A, A GIG, THEY DON'T GET NECESSARILY GET SUPPORT FOR THAT, BUT IT'S MORE FOR THE BAND.

UM, SO I THINK THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME LATITUDE FOR CREATIVITY.

DEFINITELY.

SO IT COULD, THERE'S BEEN TALK OF HOW IT COULD BE USED TO ESTABLISH A RESIDENCY, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE USED TO PARTIALLY FUND LIKE A TINY FESTIVAL.

I MEAN, IT REALLY, I THINK, UM, IT REALLY IS GOING TO DEPEND ON THE PEOPLE APPLYING, LIKE HOW, WHAT IDEAS THEY HAVE FOR HOW THEY USE THIS, THOSE GRANTS.

UM, AND IF THEY CAN FIT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF THIS, THIS OVERLAY THAT WE'VE VOTED ON FOR PRESERVATION INNOVATION AND ELEVATION.

UM, SO I MEAN, IT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE WOULD LOVE FROM, I GUESS, FROM THE VENUE OWNERS PERSPECTIVE, LIKE HOW, HOW YOU SEE, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY WHY YOU CAME HERE, BUT SINCE YOU'RE HERE, UM, FROM THE VENUE OWNER PERSPECTIVE, LIKE HOW DO YOU SEE YOURSELVES FITTING INTO THIS PROGRAM? WELL, I GUESS I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A PORTION OF THE HOTEL TAX THAT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE.

RIGHT.

SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN THE PACKAGE.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT, I MEAN, EITHER THERE IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY TO SAY IT DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TO SAY THAT, OKAY, IF YOU BOOK THIS, UH, BAND LGBTQ BAND OR THIS, UH, ASIAN BAND OR LATINO BAND, THAT IF YOU BOOK THEM THAT YOU WILL GET THIS MUCH MONEY, IT'S JUST FEELS FUNNY.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD RATHER SEE THE SCENE EXPLODE AND EXPAND AND YOU KNOW, I'M SO HAPPY AT SAY HARA, WHEN WE HAVE A REALLY RACIALLY MIXED CROWD, I LOVE IT.

YOU KNOW, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE FUTURE.

IT'S LIKE, IF YOU JUST GOING TO GO TO BLACK SHOWS OR WHITE SHOWS OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FUTURE IS WHEN PEOPLE MINGLE AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE SITTING ON OUR PATIO AND THEY'RE TALKING AND YOU GO OUT THERE AND THERE'S A LONG TABLE

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AND YOU SEE, OH, THERE'S THREE LATINO PEOPLE THERE.

AND THEN HERE'S A COUPLE OF BLACK GUYS AND SOME WHITE GIRLS OVER THERE AND THEY'RE ALL TALKING.

THEN I FEEL LIKE, WELL, THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD IN OUR SOCIETY BY MINGLING AND NOT BY ISOLATING.

AND SO TO ME, GETTING THE PUBLIC GENERAL PUBLIC INTERESTED IN EXPLORING SOME RNB OR EXPLORING SOME AFROBEAT MUSIC OR EXPLORING SOME COLUMBIA, OH MY GOD.

IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT COLUMBIA, THEY SHOULD FIND OUT ABOUT IT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I FEEL.

I MEAN, FOR ME, SAHARA IS LIKE, IT'S A BUSINESS, BUT IT'S REALLY A SOCIAL MISSION.

IT'S A, IT'S A MISSION.

IT'S, IT'S A SPIRITUAL THING TO ME.

AND, AND SO I, I, YOU KNOW, MUSIC IS SPIRITUAL.

SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE COMMUNITY, TO GET PEOPLE, TO TALK TO EACH OTHER, TO, UH, DEVELOP ARTISTS, YOU KNOW, I'LL TALK TO PEOPLE AT THE CLUB I'M LIKE, SO DO YOU PLAY AN INSTRUMENT YET? NO, I'M TOO OLD.

I'M LIKE, NO, YOU'RE NOT.

YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, AUSTIN IS SUCH A FRIENDLY PLACE.

IT REALLY HAS A REPUTATION OF THAT.

AND, AND I FEEL LIKE WE CAN THROUGH SOMEHOW THROUGH THE FOND SUPPORT ARTISTS AND GET MORE DIVERSITY IN THE VENUES IN A WAY THAT'S HEALING AND IS NOT JUST THROWING MONEY AT SOMETHING, BUT REALLY GETTING PEOPLE INTERESTED IN IT.

UH, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT WORKING GROUP.

UM, I JUST WANT TO SEND A SHOUT OUT TO A SAHARA LOUNGE AND EILEEN ALL THE GREAT STAFF THAT HAVE WORKED THERE THROUGH THE YEARS.

UM, SARAH LOUNGE WAS VITAL TO MY CAREER AS A MUSICIAN ARTISTS IN AUSTIN.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, UM, GAVE US A PLATFORM AND OBVIOUSLY WE BUILT IT INTO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS LASTED FOR OVER 12 YEARS, BUT I'LL NEVER FORGET GET GOING IN AND SITTING DOWN.

AND I LAND LIKE, WHO ARE YOU? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU'RE GOING TO BRING PEOPLE IN LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE THERE FOR OVER FOUR YEARS AND BROUGHT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THROUGH THAT VENUE IN A VERY UNSAFE WAY.

IT WAS ALWAYS A LOT OF MAGIC AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIVERSE PARTIES IN AUSTIN EVER.

YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE THE PLACE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA FIND IT WAS PEOPLE LIKE EILEEN, UM, THAT ALLOWED US TO CREATE THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO SEND A SHOUT OUT TO EILEEN AND SARAH LOUNGE FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE, UH, WITHOUT BODY ROCK, YOU KNOW, BODY ROCK WAS LIKE A BIG PART OF OUR ABILITY TO TAKE RISKS IN AUSTIN AND TRY OUR OWN, OUR OWN EVENTS AND OTHER, OTHER VENUES, OTHER PLACES TO THROW THINGS AT, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO WHEN WE GOT HERE.

SO THANK YOU, SARAH LAOS, TAKE YOU OUT LANE.

BUT, UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR CREATIVITY, EILEEN WITH THIS, AND, UM, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME PERSONALLY, BUT I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, THOSE BANDS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED COULD ALL COME TOGETHER AND CREATE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AS THE HAIRLINE HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THEM CAN, YOU KNOW, APPLY FOR A GRANT AND, AND, AND FOCUS ON SAHARA LOUNGE THAT THEY WANT TO CREATE A WHOLE SCENE AND ENVIRONMENT AROUND THAT AND FIGURE OUT HOW THEY COULD COOPERATE AND CREATE PROMOTIONS TOGETHER OR, OR WORK AND FIGHT OR FIND SOMEONE TOGETHER TO, TO, TO, TO JUST DO PROMOTION FOR THAT ENTIRE COLLECTIVE OF ARTISTS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT.

THIS IS REALLY, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, THOSE BANDS TO HELP EACH OTHER OUT, TO, TO WORK TOGETHER WITH VENUES, TO WORK TOGETHER WITH PROMOTERS, TO WORK TOGETHER WITH, UM, WHO THEY CHOOSE, UH, TO THROW EVENTS THAT THEY, UM, DREAM OF FILMING, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, AN EVENT LIKE BODY ROCK.

CAN YOU IMAGINE A BODY ROCK STARTED OUT WITH $10,000? YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WITH NOBODY REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ONLY HAD A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE COMING UP GOING AND WHAT DIFFERENCE THAT COULD HAVE MADE.

SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS THAT OPPORTUNITY.

SO I LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, TALK TO ME MORE ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO SEND YOU A SHOUT OUT, SEND YOU SOME LOVE CAUSE, UM, YOU WERE CRUCIAL NON-DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH.

WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UH, SINCE I HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY HERE, THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO AT SAKARA LOUNGE AND CREATING THIS, UM, REALLY A REAL MUSIC HUB FOR US, UM, AT YOUR VENUE.

UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF WISDOM IN, IN WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THIS BEING A SOCIAL MISSION AND THE SPIRITUALITY AROUND MUSIC COMING FROM THE CULTURE THAT I COME FROM THAT IS, THAT IS FUNDAMENTALLY IT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MUSIC, IT IS SPIRITUAL.

UM, SO I JUST

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WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

I, I JUST, UM, I HAVE PLAYED THERE AND I JUST HAVE SO MANY FRIENDS THAT PLAY AT YOUR VENUE, UH, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

I'D LIKE TO SHARE JUST FOR A SECOND TOO, BECAUSE IT CONNECTS TO THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH ANOTHER COMMISSIONER TODAY.

I LEANED THAT.

I MEAN, I LOVE AFRO FREAK.

I LOVE DEE MADNESS HAVE SINCE I FIRST MOVED TO AUSTIN IN 1992, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES UP FOR ME RIGHT NOW IS THAT SOME OF OUR VENUES, UM, ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT I CAN THINK OF DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE PANDEMIC AND WAS REALLY BOOKING ONE OF THE MORE DIVERSE COMPARED TO OTHER CLUBS IN THIS TOWN.

UM, AND NOW THE PREVIOUS OWNERS ARE HAVING TO WORK OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF BOSTON.

UM, THAT WAS A REALLY HURTFUL EXPERIENCE FOR THEM TO LOSE THEIR SPACE.

YOU KNOW, THERE WERE EVERYBODY FROM, UH, GOD REST, HIS SOUL MC OVERLORD, THE VALLEJO GUYS, THEY HAD SALSA NIGHT.

THEY BOOKED A LOT OF THE BIPAP ARTISTS THAT, THAT I PERSONALLY LOVE.

AND I DISCOVERED OTHERS.

I WENT TO DANCE SALSA WHEN I NEVER, I'M NOT, I DON'T DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, AND YOU TURN ON PEOPLE TO OTHER THINGS, JUST LIKE YOU'RE DESCRIBING THAT IT IS NOT ONLY YOUR DREAM, BUT AS YOUR REALITY THAT YOU'RE CREATING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND PART OF THIS CONVERSATION TODAY WAS ABOUT HOPING THAT WE CAN COME TO A COMPROMISE IN SOME WAY IN THIS WAY THAT EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT BEING CREATIVE, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE IN ORDER TO HELP BOTH THE ARTISTS THAT ARE WORKING IN THE VENUES AND THE VENUES REMAIN, UM, SUSTAINABLE TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER.

HOWEVER, THE GRANTS FLOW IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ECOSYSTEM THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IS HEALTHY.

AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, SEPARATION AND DIVISIVENESS ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT OF HOW DO WE DO IT.

AND A LOT OF FEAR AROUND IF WE GIVE IT TO THE VENUE, THEY MAY NOT DO THE RIGHT THING.

IF WE GIVE IT TO THE ARTISTS, THE CLUBS MAY FAIL.

IF THEY GO AND BOOK THEIR FESTIVALS AND THEIR SHOWS AND PUBLIC SPACES OTHER RATHER THAN THE VENUES.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT BECAUSE IT ALSO GIVES FOOD FOR THOUGHT TO THAT FOR THAT.

AND I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM THE NEWS AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF MORE VENUES WOULD COME OUT AND YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT WAS VERY IMPORTANT AND THOUGHT PROVOKING.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

SO, ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SWEET.

THANKS, EILEEN.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM TOMORROW.

WILLIAMS, I THINK TOMORROW YOU HEAR A BUS TIME, YOU HERE REPRESENTING EKU.

YES.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, BASICALLY, UM, MY NAME IS TOMAR WILLIAMS AND, UM, I AM A MEMBER BOARD MEMBER.

RBQ AUSTIN, AND ALSO I'M IN A BAND CALLED TOMORROW.

UFC'S, I'M NOT SOME OF Y'ALL I'VE HEARD OF THAT BAND AND, UM, I'LL SHAKE A LEG OR TWO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO SAY EILEEN, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE I, WHEN I FIRST CAME TO AUSTIN IN 1985 WITH MY BROTHERS, IT WAS CALLED TC LOUNGE AND I WAS LIKE 15 YEARS OLD WHEN MY BROTHER'S PLAYING THAT SPOT.

AND THE COOL THING IS SHE KEPT THE SAME NOSTALGIA, THE SAME FIELD FROM TCS LOUNGE, AND I PLAYED SAHARA LOUNGE A FEW TIMES.

SO THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE SAME BIBLE HE SHARED IT.

UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON IS BASICALLY, UM, I AM ALSO INVOLVED WITH THE WORKING GROUP AS WELL AND, UM, ON THE LOUD MUSIC FUND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME BEING A MUSICIAN IN THE CITY SINCE 85, MY BROTHERS AND I, WE REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, PLAYING SHOWS, I MEAN, LIBERTY LUNCH, RIGHT OVER HERE, SOMEWHERE STEAM BOATS.

THAT'S NO LONGER HERE.

UH, UH, ANTONE'S UM, THE CONTINENTAL CLUB, WE WERE SO FORTUNATE TO COME IN AND DO THOSE SHOWS, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE REALIZED THAT, UM, WHEN YOUR FAN BASE STARTS TO FALL OFF, BECAUSE IT DOES HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WE DECIDED TO GET INTO THE PRODUCTION SIDE OF ACTUALLY SUSTAINING OUR, YOU KNOW, MUSIC CAREERS IN THE CITY, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY LEVELS OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO SUSTAIN YOURSELF IN THIS CITY.

UH, SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS GO INTO THE STUDIO AND START PRODUCING A BUNCH OF MUSIC.

AND THAT BEING SAID, OR MAKING THAT HAPPEN, WE HAD SOME PRETTY COOL REGIONAL SUCCESS BACK IN THE LATE NINETIES.

AND THEN LO AND BEHOLD, GOD BLESS THAT WE, WE HAD A REALLY COOL HIT BY MY JONES TO, UH, 2005 OR 2004, UH, STEEL CHIP AND PAUL WALL, SLIM THUG.

I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

AND SO WE GOT A CHANCE NOT ONLY TO JUST BE ABLE TO PLAY LIVE.

SO WE JUST STARTED PRODUCING MORE.

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SO MY WHOLE TAKE IS THAT BASICALLY THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT ENTITIES WHEN THINGS SLOWS DOWN IN THE LIVE MUSIC SECTOR, WHAT IS THAT OTHER THING YOU CAN DO TO HELP SUSTAIN YOURSELF? SO I WANT TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THEM, SOME POINTS THAT Q AUSTIN STANDS FOR OR STAND ON WHEN IT COMES TO THE LIVE MUSIC FUNDING, RECORDINGS THROUGH YOUR PRODUCTION.

UM, IF YOU ARE AN AMAZING BAND IN AUSTIN AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PRODUCT, AND YOU'RE NOT IN THE STUDIO RECORDING, BASICALLY YOU CUTTING YOURSELF SHORT TO SUSTAIN YOUR CAREER IN THE CITY.

AND, UM, AND ALSO NEW PEOPLE MOVING LIKE A 117 20 PEOPLE MOVING TO THE CITY.

SO SOMETIMES HOW DO THEY HEAR ABOUT YOU? SOMETIMES IT'S NOT BY THE CLUBS.

IT'S ABOUT HAVING YOUR SONG ON THE RADIO MUSIC, VIDEO PRODUCTION, MY BROTHERS AND I, WE DECIDED THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S GET INTO THE VIDEO PRODUCTION PART OF THIS INDUSTRY.

SO WE PRODUCE OUR OWN VIDEOS, UM, MUSIC PUBLISHING IN 2005, BEING THAT WE HAD THAT AWESOME SUCCESS, WE WERE ABLE TO SIGN AND I'M SORRY.

YES, SIR.

WE WERE ABLE TO SIGN WITH UNIVERSAL MUSIC PUBLISHING, UM, AN EXCLUSIVE DEAL WITH UNIVERSAL MUSIC PUBLISHING.

AND TO THIS DAY, WE'RE STILL WORKING.

IN FACT, ON MY WAY DOWN HERE, I GOT A EMAIL FROM UNIVERSAL ASKING US TO USE OUR MUSIC FOR A SHOW COMING UP THIS WEEKEND.

AND IT'S GONNA BE A LACK OF CONTINUING CONTINUATION SHOW.

SO BASICALLY WE TALKING ABOUT SYNC IN LICENSING AND ALL THAT MAJOR STUFF AND ALSO DISTRIBUTION.

SO WHEN YOU DECIDE TO RECORD YOUR ALBUM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GOT YOUR PRODUCT OUT THERE, UM, SOMETIMES YOU NEEDED A DISTRIBUTOR TO ACTUALLY HELP GET YOUR PRODUCT TO THE MASSES.

AND SOME DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS SIMPLE, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY INVOLVE, CAUSE MY BROTHERS AND I, WE, WE FORMED OUR OWN RECORD LABEL.

SO WE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.

WE SIGNED OUR FIRST ARTISTS TO SOUTHWEST DISTRIBUTION OUT OF HOUSTON, TEXAS.

THEY'RE NO LONGER IN BUSINESS, BUT IT ACTUALLY HELPED MOVE THE PRODUCT AND REPLICATION OF VINYL AND CASSETTES.

YOU KNOW, IT TAKES MONEY BECAUSE IF YOU RECORD AN ALBUM IN THE STUDIO AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO PRINT A PRODUCT, IT'S JUST A PRODUCT THAT'S GOING TO BE DEAD IN THE WATER.

SO THAT IS IMPORTANT.

AND THEN ALSO BROADCASTING TB.

WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO FIND A REALLY COOL PUBLICIST THAT WAS ABLE TO GET US ON SHOWS LIKE 1 0 6 IN PARK.

I'M JUDGING HIP HOP FRIDAY WITH CHAMELEON AND, AND THINGS TRL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO BASICALLY FINDING PEOPLE THAT CAN ACTUALLY HELP, YOU KNOW, SUSTAIN YOUR CAREER AS A MUSICIAN.

BUT THEN IN 2012, WE DECIDED TO COME BACK TO THE ACTUAL MUSIC SCENE AND START WRITING AND PERFORMING ON STAGE AGAIN.

CAUSE I WAS BORN ON STAGE.

I WAS, I WAS 11 YEARS OLD WHEN I WAS PLAYING.

SO UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT ON MANY ASPECTS.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THE CITY WAS ALWAYS SEEMED TO LIKE GET THE LAST HANDOUT OR JUST BE, IT WOULD JUST, THE PLAYING FIELD WAS NOT LEVEL AND WE WILL ALWAYS SEEM TO BE OVERLOOKED.

AND LIKE I SAID, BEEN HERE SINCE 85 AND I'VE SEEN MANY ASPECTS OF THE, OF THE CITY CHANGE FROM 85 TO 2021.

SO MY TAKE ON IT IS BASICALLY LEVELED THE PLAYING FIELD, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THERE ARE SOME AMAZING LATIN ARTISTS, SOME AMAZING ASIAN ARTISTS, AMAZING BLACK ARTISTS THAT NEVER GET A CHANCE TO BE HEARD OR SEEN JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE PLAYING FIELD IS NOT LEVEL AND BEING THAT SAYS HARA LOUNGE, BUT SHE SPOKE ON ARLENE.

SHE GIVES CERTAIN PLATFORMS. CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT IT ALL WORKS IN THE ECOSYSTEM.

IT ALL PLAYS OFF ONE ANOTHER.

SO I DO BELIEVE IF WE DECIDE TO GIVE THE MUSICIANS A CHANCE TO CHOOSE WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE MONEY TOWARDS, BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY PLAYS FOUR NIGHTS A WEEK OR FIND A, SOME MUSICIANS IN THE CITY SOMETIMES PLAY ONLY TWO NIGHTS IN A MONTH.

AND MAYBE THAT ONE PERFORMANCE MAY NOT BE THE MONEY TAKE HOME OR YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND THEN IT MAY BE THAT ONE IN ONE MONTH THEY MAY BE THE ONE THAT JUST SAY, OH, THAT WAS A GREAT ONE, BUT IT MAY BE ANOTHER TWO MONTHS BEFORE YOU GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT AGAIN.

SO I'M LOOKING AT, IF YOU WANT TO SUSTAIN YOURSELF AS A MUSICIAN IN THIS CITY, THE ECOSYSTEM IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT I FEEL AS THOUGH IF WE GIVE THE ARTISTS A CHANCE TO CHOOSE WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO PLACE THEIR MONEY, BECAUSE YOU PUT THE POWER BACK INTO THE MUSICIANS HANDS SO THEY CAN BE VALUABLE AND TO CREATE WITHOUT STRESS AND SAN I'M GOING TO GET THE LIGHTS TURNED OFF, BUT I DO HAVE A GRANT THAT'S COMING THAT I CAN ACTUALLY WORK IN THE STUDIO AND RECORD THIS ALBUM BECAUSE WHEN MY BAND TOMAR NEAR SEAS IN 2021 IN FEBRUARY, WHEN EVERYTHING WAS SHUT DOWN, IT WAS AWESOME THAT WE, WE LANDED A SONG, ONE OF OUR SONGS ON THE SHOW, RIVERDALE AND

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BUDDY HEARD A RIVERDALE ON THE CW NETWORK AND EVERYTHING WAS SHUT DOWN IN FEBRUARY, BUT THAT WAS AN AMAZING PAYDAY FOR US WHILE WE WERE JUST SITTING ON THE COUCH.

I WAS WATCHING THAT WITH MY MOM AND DAD, BUT I KNEW THERE WAS A PAYCHECK COMING IN THE MAIL.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THAT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OURSELVES A VERY VALUABLE IN ALL ASPECTS ASPECTS OF THIS INDUSTRY, ESPECIALLY AUSTIN, TEXAS, WE ARE THE LIVE MUSIC CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

LET'S KEEP THAT ROLLING.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING TO THAT SIDE OF THINGS.

UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. WILLIAMS? OKAY.

WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THOSE THAT THIS WORKING GROUP IS TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING ELIGIBILITY.

SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PRODUCTION SIDE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND TO HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON IT AS A, I WANT TO JUST MENTION, I'VE SEEN TAMARA A NUMBER OF TIMES AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS SO RIGHT ON, IT IS NOT JUST PLAYING AND BEING UP ON STAGE.

IT IS THE HUB, THE WHOLE ECONOMIC WORLD OF MUSIC THAT YOU PARTICIPATE IN.

AND THAT'S HOW YOU ARE HERE TOMORROW, A YEAR FROM NOW 10 YEARS FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW BY DOING JUST WHAT HE SAID, SO RIGHT ON MAN.

THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU TO BE, UM, ANOTHER, UH, ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION I HAD, UH, SHARED TODAY, UM, OR I LISTENED TO TODAY CONTRIBUTED TO, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION WITH A GROUP OF WOMEN MUSICIANS, VERY DIVERSE GROUP ON ZOOM.

WE'VE BEEN LIKE A SUPPORT GROUP FOR EACH OTHER OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND ONE OF THE WOMEN'S WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE FROM LIVE MUSIC PLAYING, CAUSE WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT, HAVE EVERYTHING'S SHUT DOWN.

WE, A LOT OF US PIVOTED TO LIVE STREAMS. WE COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT THAT ACTUALLY WORKED.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A LIVING, SOME OF US DOING THAT.

AND UM, BUT ALSO SOMEONE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS CONCERN THAT STREAMING, UH, PLATFORMS ARE MOVING IN A DIRECTION POTENTIALLY WHERE WE MAY BE ACTUALLY HAVING AS ARTISTS TO PAY, TO HAVE OUR STUFF RELEASED.

CAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND SO WHEN I'M LISTENING TO YOU, I'M THINKING MY THOUGHTS TODAY.

AND A LOT OF WHAT WAS SHARED WAS THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH PLAY LIVE BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE INTRODUCING YOURSELF TO OTHERS IN, IN A, IN A, IN A REAL TIME SPACE AND HOW MUCH YOU LOVE PLAYING ON STAGE AND THAT YOU WERE BORN ON STAGE FEELS LIKE, BUT ALSO, UM, IN THE RECORDING IN REGARD TO RECORDING, WE HAVE THE STREAMING, BUT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT CREATING ACTUAL PRODUCT TO OFFER TO NEW FANS AND OLD, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE SPACES AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.

AND, AND THAT SPEAKS TO, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SAYING SIMILAR THINGS, AS FAR AS THE ECOSYSTEM, IT'S GOTTA BE LIVE, BUT IT CAN'T ALWAYS BE LIVE AND IT'S GOTTA BE RECORDING AND IT'S GOTTA BE EXPRESSING.

AND THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO EXPRESS YOURSELF.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN A RECORDING SCENARIO WITH, WITH, WITH YOUR FAMILY, YOUR BAND FAMILY, WITH PEOPLE YOU WORKING