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          YES, LET'S GO AHEAD. 
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OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
ATX ANY READY? GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME IS ALISON ALTER AND I'M CHAIR OF THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, UM, ALONE ON THE DAYAS HERE IN CITY HALL AND JOINED BY THREE OF MY COLLEAGUES, VIRTUALLY COUNCIL MEMBER POOL KELLY, AND TAVO. 
          UM, THE MAYOR HAS LET US KNOW THAT HE WILL NOT BE JOINING US. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO CONVENE THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          IT IS 9 34 ON DECEMBER 15TH. 
          SO I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, UM, THIS MORNING, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE UP EACH ITEM AS POSTED IN ORDER FOR A CHANGE. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO COVER ALL OF OUR ITEMS THIS MORNING. 
          HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU BACK A LITTLE BIT OF OF TIME. 
          UM, WE HAVE A DRILL IN THE BACKGROUND, SO, AND NO, ONE'S UP HERE ON THE DIASTAL. 
          I HAVE TAKEN MY MASK OFF SO YOU CAN HEAR ME. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING AND, UH, HOPE EVERYONE WILL BEAR WITH US IF YOU'RE HEARING THAT NOISE AS WELL. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UH, I HAVE DOWN FOR SPEAKERS FOR CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TAKE UP THE SPEAKERS WITH THE ITEM BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL MAKE IT MORE COHERENT AND LESS PEOPLE HAVE TO LEAVE. 
          IS THAT OKAY WITH THE FOUR OF YOU? OKAY. 
          UM, SO PLEASE REMIND ME TO DO THAT IF I FORGET. 
          SO FIRST ITEM 
          [1. Approve the minutes of the Audit and Finance Committee meetmg of November 10, 2021.]
OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES. 
          UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? COUNCIL MEMBER POOL MAKES THAT MOTION SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR UNANIMOUS ON THE DIAS COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          TOVO DO YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES? ARE YOU OFF THE DIOCESE? SO FOR NOW WE WILL HAVE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO CONSIDERED OFF THE DYESS FOR THAT VOTE. 
          UM, 
          [2. Briefing on City Pension Systems.]
THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE ARE TAKING UP IS A BRIEFING ON THE CITY PENSIONS. 
          THIS IS OUR ANNUAL BRIEFING ON THE THREE PENSION SYSTEMS PROVIDED BY STAFF AT THE END OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR. 
          IT COVERS OUR ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTIONS, OUR INVESTMENT RETURNS AND THE IMPACTS OF RECENT LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. 
          I'M HAPPY. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE LONGTERM HEALTH OF APRS THAT WILL BE, UM, DISCUSSED DURING THIS, UH, PRESENTATION. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO HAS JOINED ME ON THE DIOCESE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          TOVA WE JUST VOTED ON THE AMENDMENT AMENDMENT MINUTES. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE US TO RECORD YOU AS VOTING? YES, PLEASE DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR THE MINUTES WE WILL NOTE COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO AS VOTING. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND WE ARE NOW ON ITEM TWO, BRINGING UP THE PENSIONS. 
          UM, IF IT IS TOO LOUD ON YOUR END, FEEL FREE TO MOVE OVER HERE. 
          THEY COULDN'T HEAR ME TOO WELL WITH THE DRILLS. 
          I HAVE MY MASK OFF. 
          IF IT BOTHERS YOU, LET ME, LET ME KNOW. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO DO WE HAVE NOT SURE WHO'S PRESENTING BELINDA. 
          GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          UM, I HAVE A PRESENTATION YOU GET THAT PULLED UP. 
          WHAT'S THE NAME OF YOUR PRESENTATION? UM, IT IS VERSION TWO OF THE, UM, THE PENSION UPDATE. 
          GIVE US ONE SECOND. 
          SURE. 
          SHARE. 
          I MIGHT RECOMMEND MOVING ONTO ANOTHER ITEM IF YOU'D LIKE WHILE THEY GET THAT PRESENTATION READY FOR ME. 
          SURE. 
          EXCEPT THE NEXT ITEM ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, FOR ITEM THREE IS THE ABEL SHE'S TRYING TO BE QUICK AND ME A SECOND. 
          I SAW IT ON OUR AGENDA DOCUMENTS THIS MORNING, IF THAT'S HELPFUL. 
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GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, MS. BELINDA WAVER. 
          SORRY FOR THE DELAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GOOD MORNING, UH, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS AGAIN FOR CITY TREASURER AND I AM HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE ANNUAL UPDATE FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S PENSION PLANS FIRST, UM, AS I ALWAYS DO, I'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE THREE PLANS AND THEN WE'LL PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE FINANCIAL AND ACTUARIAL METRICS FOR EACH OF THE PLANS. 
          AND, UM, WE'LL END THE PRESENTATION WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE RECENT LEGISLATION PASSED IN THE 87TH LEGISLATURE FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S POLICE RETIREMENT SYSTEM. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS THREE EMPLOYEE BASED PENSION PLANS. 
          ALL THREE OF THE PLANS ARE DEFINED BENEFIT PLANS AND ALL THREE PLANS WERE CREATED BY STATE LAW. 
          SO STATUTE DOES GOVERN THE BENEFIT AND CONTRIBUTION PROVISIONS AMONG OTHER THINGS, AND ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE LAW CAN ONLY BE MADE BY THE LEGISLATURE. 
          EACH OF THE PENSION SYSTEMS HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND EACH BOARD HAS A DIFFERENT COMPOSITION OF ELECTED OFFICIALS, MANAGEMENT, APPOINTEES, EMPLOYEES, AND RETIREES. 
          IN ADDITION, UM, EMPLOYEES, RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND, AND THE POLICE RETIREMENT SYSTEM, EACH HALF CITIZEN AT LARGE TRUSTEES, UM, REGARDING CITY REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARDS FOR THE EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM. 
          IT IS COUNCIL MEMBER POOL, ALONG WITH DEPUTY CFO, DIANA THOMAS FOR POLICE. 
          IT IS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO ALONG WITH DEPUTY CFO, DIANA THOMAS AND MYSELF AND FIRE BY STATUTE HAS THE MAYOR AS THE CHAIR AND, UH, THE CITY TREASURER. 
          SO MYSELF IS ON THAT BOARD AS WELL. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS JUST LISTS THE PENSION SYSTEM ELIGIBILITY FOR THE THREE SYSTEMS FOR THE EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM. 
          IT'S ALL REGULAR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, EXCLUDING CIVIL SERVICE POLICE AND FIRE, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE EMS EMPLOYEES. 
          THERE ARE TWO GROUPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM GROUP, A ARE EMPLOYEES HIRED BEFORE JANUARY 1ST, 2012 AND GROUP B AS EMPLOYEES HIRED ON FOR AFTER THAT DATE FOR THE AUSTIN POLICE RETIREMENT SYSTEM. 
          IT IS ALL COMMISSIONED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND CADETS UPON ENROLLMENT IN AUSTIN'S POLICE ACADEMY. 
          I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WILL BE TWO GROUPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AUSTIN POLICE RETIREMENT SYSTEM EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2022. 
          AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER WHEN WE DISCUSS THE LEGISLATION FOR THE FIRE SYSTEM, IT'S ALL COMMISSIONED CIVIL SERVICE IN TEXAS STATE CERTIFIED FIREFIGHTERS WITH AT LEAST SIX MONTHS OF SERVICE EMPLOYED BY THE AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS JUST DETAILS THE CONTRIBUTION RATES FOR THE THREE SYSTEMS. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS AS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020, UM, AND IT IS INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED BY THE CITY'S ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT SAID FOR THE EMPLOYEE SYSTEM, THERE IS A TOTAL CONTRIBUTION OF 26%, AGAIN, AS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020, BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2021 CITY CONTRIBUTIONS DID INCREASE BY 1%. 
          SO THOSE ARE CURRENTLY AT 19% FOR A OF 27% FOR THE EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM. 
          UM, THE POLICE TOTAL CONTRIBUTION IS, UH, RIGHT AT 34% WITH 13% FROM EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION AND A LITTLE OVER 21% FROM THE CITY. 
          UM, THERE WERE CONTRIBUTION CHANGES AS PART OF THE RECENT LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. 
          AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER AS WELL. 
          UM, FOR FIRE, THE TOTAL CONTRIBUTION IS RIGHT AT 40.75% WITH EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION AT 18.7 AND THE CITY CONTRIBUTION A LITTLE OVER 22%. 
          UM, I DO ALWAYS MENTION THAT FIREFIGHTERS ARE THE ONLY SYSTEM WITH THE CITY THAT DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN SOCIAL SECURITY AND LISTED HERE ON THE BOTTOM ROW ARE CITY CONTRIBUTIONS EXPRESSED IN DOLLARS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, FOR PLAN MEMBERSHIP, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE EMPLOYEE'S RETIREMENT, THAT SIM IS BY FAR THE LARGEST OF THE THREE SYSTEMS WITH OVER 20,000 MEMBERS POLICES ALMOST AT 3000 AND FIRE AS THE SMALLEST OF THE PLANS WITH A LITTLE OVER 2000 MEMBERS. 
          AND THIS IS ALL AS 
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OF DECEMBER 31ST, 2020 NEXT POINT FOR RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY FOR THE THREE SYSTEMS. AGAIN, THIS IS AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, 2020 EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, HAVE, UH, TWO GROUPS GROUP AND GROUP B, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY IS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE TWO GROUPS FOR GREEN BAY. 
          IT'S 20 YEARS OF SERVICE AT AGE 55, 23 YEARS OF SERVICE AT ANY AGE AND ANY NUMBER OF YEARS AT AGE 62 AND FOR GROUP B, UM, IT IS 30 YEARS OF SERVICE AT AGE 62 AND FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE AT AGE 65 FOR POLICE. 
          UM, AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, THEY ARE RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY AND MIRRORS BRIEF A OF EMPLOYEES. 
          BUT AS I STATED EARLIER, THERE WILL BE TWO TIERS, UM, EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2022, AND IT WILL BE REFLECTED NEXT YEAR. 
          AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT LATER FOR FIRE. 
          THE RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY IS 10 YEARS OF SERVICE AT AGE 50 AND 25 YEARS OF SERVICE AT ANY AGE. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS CERTAIN KEY ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTIONS YOU USE IN THE CITY'S PENSION PLANS, MOST RECENT ACTUARIAL VALUATIONS, AND WHAT THIS IS ACTUARIES ACTUALLY USE THIS, THESE ASSUMPTIONS TO ESTIMATE THE OFFENDING AMOUNT THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO PAY FUTURE BENEFITS FOR EACH OF THESE SYSTEMS. YOU CAN SEE LISTED HERE. 
          I HAVE INFLATION RATE, PAYROLL GROWTH AND INVESTMENT RETURN. 
          THOSE ARE THREE MAJOR ASSUMPTIONS. 
          THE INFLATION RATE IS GENERAL UNDERLYING ANNUAL INFLATION. 
          AND THIS RATE IS A COMPONENT OF SEVERAL OTHER ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTIONS. 
          THE PAYROLL GROWTH RATE, THIS VARIES BY PENSION FUND AND IT'S ACTUALLY CALCULATED BY HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE AND ALSO PROJECTED FUTURE GROWTH. 
          AND THE INVESTMENT RETURN RATES IS THE INVESTMENT RETURNS EXPECTED ON THE ASSETS OF EACH SYSTEM. 
          AND THIS DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE PLANS, LIABILITY, CALCULATION, AND CONTRIBUTION REQUIREMENT. 
          THE INVESTMENT RETURN RATE IS AN ASSUMED RATE THAT REFLECTS A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD OF SMOOTHING, AND THAT SMOOTHING IS USED IN ORDER TO REDUCE VOLATILITY IN THE ACTUARIAL CALCULATION. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE INFLATION RATE IS CONSISTENT AMONG THE THREE FUNDS. 
          THEY'RE ALL A 2.5% PAYROLL GROWTH VARIES FROM 2.5 TO 3.5% OF MINE. 
          THE FUNDS AND INVESTMENT RETURN IS 7% TO 7.3%. 
          I'M GOING TO THREE FUNDS. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO FOLLOWING UP ON THE ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTIONS, WE JUST DISCUSSED THIS, UH, THIS SLIDE DETAILS, THE ACTUARIAL CALCULATIONS FROM THE MOST RECENT ACTUARIAL EVALUATION FOR EACH OF THE PENSION FUNDS, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OVER ALL OF THEM, BUT THE KEY ONES IN MY OPINION TO FOCUS IN ON ARE, UM, THE UNFUNDED ACCRUED LIABILITY. 
          AND THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PENSION PLANS, LIABILITIES, LESS THEIR ASSETS. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S THE AMOUNT OF BENEFITS ACCRUED IN WHICH NO FUNDING HAS BEEN SET ASIDE AND HAND IN HAND WITH THAT. 
          UM, WHEN AN UNFUNDED LIABILITY DOES EXIST IN ACTUARY, UM, DETERMINES THE NUMBER OF YEARS OR THE AMORTIZATION PERIOD, IT WILL TAKE TO FUND THAT INVENTED LIABILITY. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN FIRES CASE, IT HAS AN INFINITE ACCRUED LIABILITY OF 154.5 MILLION AND AN AMORTIZATION PERIOD OF 23.3 YEARS. 
          SO THE ACTUARIES HAVE CALCULATED THAT IT WILL TAKE THE 23.3 YEARS TO FULLY FUND THAT UNFUNDED LIABILITY OF 154.5 MILLION SHERIFF GOT A QUESTION FOR MS. REED SWEEPER. 
          YES. 
          BELINDA, CAN YOU, ARE YOU ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT ACTIONS THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN AS A PLAN SPONSOR FOR, FOR THE, UH, CO-CHAIRS AND APRS SPECIFICALLY TOOK LAST YEAR IN ORDER TO IMPROVE SOME OF THESE, THE AMATORIZATION PERIOD AND THE FUNDED RATIO? YES. 
          AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AND THEY, AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. 
          SO THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY, JUST THE FUNDED RATIO, UM, THIS IS JUST A STANDARD PENSION BENCHMARK, AND THAT IS THE RATIO OF ASSETS TO LIABILITIES. 
          THIS RATIO INDICATES THE EXTENT TO WHICH EACH OF THE PLANS HAS ENOUGH ASSETS SET ASIDE TO PAY FOR THOSE ACCRUED BENEFITS. 
          AND IT'S SIMPLY JUST A MATHEMATICAL COMPUTATION WHERE THE ACTUARIAL VALUE OF ASSETS ARE DIVIDED BY THE ACTUARIAL ACCRUED LIABILITY LIABILITY. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO HERE WE HAVE DETAILED THE PENSION SYSTEMS, UM, INVESTMENT RETURNS AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, 2020. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THREE SYSTEMS, UM, HAD GREAT RETURNS AND EMPLOYEES, UH, WAS AT 10.7, 8% FOR 2020 POLICE AT 11.44 AND FIRE AT 12.9%. 
          UM, ALSO LISTED ARE THE THREE-YEAR OR, AND TEN-YEAR RETURNS. 
          AND THESE ARE WEIGHTED AVERAGE RETURNS, AS WELL AS THE SAME ACTUARIAL INVESTMENT RETURN RATE FOR EACH OF THE SYSTEM. 
          JUST AS A REFERENCE POINT, UM, 
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REGARDING EVERYTHING LISTED ON THIS SLIDE, THERE'S REALLY TWO TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS FIRST IS JUST KNOWING IT IS PRUDENT TO MONITOR PORTFOLIOS ON THE SHORT TERM, BUT NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THESE PENSION FUNDS ARE LONG-TERM INVESTORS. 
          AND THEN ALSO KNOWING THAT ALL PORTFOLIOS DO GO THROUGH CYCLES WHERE THEY PERFORM REALLY WELL AT TIMES, I THINK 2020 IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. 
          ALL THREE OF THE FUNDS PERFORMS REALLY WELL FROM AN INVESTMENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER TIMES WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LAG THEIR PEERS AND OR BENCHMARKS NEXT FLIGHT. 
          SO FINALLY, I WANTED TO TOUCH ON RECENTLY PASSED LEGISLATION FOR OUR POLICE RETIREMENT SYSTEM. 
          PRIOR TO THIS YEAR, THIS SYSTEM HAD SIGNIFICANT FUNDING DEFICIENCIES, INCLUDING AN INFINITE FENDING PERIOD. 
          AND AS YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, AND IT'S CURRENTLY AT A 30 YEAR AMORTIZATION PERIOD NOW DUE TO THESE RECENT LEGISLATIVE CHANGES AND THE CITY AND POLICE RETIREMENT SYSTEM DID WORK TOGETHER TOWARDS A SOLUTION TO ENSURE THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THE SYSTEM. 
          AND I HAVE LISTED HERE A HIGH LEVEL AND DETAILS OF THAT APPROVED LEGISLATION. 
          SO FIRST, UM, THERE WAS CREATION OF A NEW ROUTE VA REAP THE BENEFITS HERE, AND THIS IS FOR POLICE OFFICERS AND CADETS HIRED ON OR AFTER JANUARY 1ST, 2022. 
          THE MULTIPLIER WAS LOWERED FOR THIS BENEFIT TIER, UM, FROM 3.2% TO 2.5%, THE RETIREMENT ELIGIBILITY WAS CHANGED AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, IT MOVED FROM 2023 YEARS OF SERVICE AT ANY AGE TO 25 YEARS OF SERVICE AT AGE 50. 
          AND THEN ALSO THE AVERAGE FINAL COMPENSATION FOR BENEFIT CALCULATIONS ARE NOW BASED ON THE HIGHEST 60 MONTHS OF SALARY INSTEAD OF 36 MONTHS. 
          IN ADDITION MEMBER CONTRIBUTIONS DID INCREASE. 
          UM, THEY INCREASED FROM 13 TO 15% OF EARNINGS AND MEMBER CONTRIBUTIONS CAN ALSO INCREASE BY AN ADDITIONAL 2%, WHICH WOULD TOTAL 17% OF EARNINGS. 
          IF THE ADA CORRIDOR MAXIMUM IS REACHED AND I'LL GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW, UM, REGARDING WHAT THE ADA IS AND THIS FOUR-DOOR NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO ONE HUGE COMPONENT OF THIS LEGISLATIVE CHANGE IS MOVING APRS FROM A FIXED RATE CONTRIBUTION MODEL TO AN ACTUARIALLY DETERMINED CONTRIBUTION MODEL, WHICH WE REFER TO AS THE DECK MUCH EASIER TO SAY. 
          UM, SO WITH THE FIXED RATE CONTRIBUTION MODEL, AND IT'S WHAT OUR EMPLOYEE SYSTEM IS UNDER. 
          IT'S WHAT FIRE IS CURRENTLY UNDER A MULTITUDE OF OTHER FUNDS THROUGHOUT THE STATE ARE UNDER THIS FIXED RATE CONTRIBUTION, REALLY CONTRIBUTIONS ARE STATIC. 
          THEY'RE FIXED AT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF EARNINGS AND THEY DON'T CHANGE AS FUNDING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SYSTEMS CHANGE. 
          HOWEVER, THIS EIGHT F MODEL, UM, CONTRIBUTIONS DO CHANGE, THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE, AND IT'S BASED ON ACTUARIAL ANALYSIS, THAT'S DONE BY THE SYSTEM'S ACTUARIES AT THE END OF EACH YEAR TO DETERMINE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SYSTEM. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THAT AND TO PROVIDE SOME VOLATILITY CONSTRAINTS, THE CITY, UM, FOR CITY CONTRIBUTIONS, THERE IS A COURT OR BUILT INTO LEGISLATION REGARDING, UM, THE ABILITY OF THE, UM, CONTRIBUTIONS TO GO NO HIGHER THAN 5% OF A COURT OR MID POINT AND NO LOWER THAN 5% OF A PORT OR MID POINT. 
          NOW THIS PORT OR MIDPOINT IS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED, UM, BY THE SYSTEM ACTUARY. 
          AND IT'S DONE THROUGH ACTUARIAL ANALYSIS THAT WAS BASED ON DECEMBER 31, UM, NUMBERS FOR 2020. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION, IN RELATION TO THIS ACT, THERE WAS ALSO, UM, A LEGACY LIABILITY CARVE-OUT. 
          AND WHAT THAT IS IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, W WE, THE CITY CARVED OUT THE UNFUNDED ACTUARIAL APPROVED LIABILITY AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, 2020, AND PUT IT ON A PAYMENT PLAN FOR PAYOFF IN A 30 YEAR PERIOD. 
          SO I KIND OF EQUATE IT TO A MORTGAGE. 
          THE UNFUNDED ACCRUED LIABILITY WAS CALCULATED. 
          THOSE FUNDS WERE THEN SEPARATED FROM THIS ADA CALCULATION AND PUT ON A 30 YEAR AMORTIZATION TO BE PAID OFF WITHIN THAT 30 YEAR PERIOD. 
          AND THIS IS PAID FOR FULLY FROM CITY CONTRIBUTIONS AND THEN CITY INVOLVEMENT. 
          AND THE EXPERIENCED STUDY PROCESS FOR APRS IS A HUGE COMPONENT OF THIS LEGISLATION. 
          SO EXPERIENCED STUDIES ARE PERFORMED AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS BY THE PENSION SYSTEMS, IS THIS DICTATED BY STATE LAW. 
          AND THESE STUDIES DETERMINE IF ANY CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE TO ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED BY THE SYSTEM. 
          AND AS DISCUSSED EARLIER, THESE ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTIONS HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE SPENDING STATUS OF THE PENSION SYSTEM. 
          SO IN THE APRS LEGISLATION, THE CITY DOES HAVE INVOLVEMENT IN THAT EXPERIENCE STUDY PROCESS. 
          AND THIS INCLUDES REVIEW OF THE EXPERIENCE STUDY CONDUCTED BY THE 
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SYSTEM, THE ABILITY TO, UM, HIRE A SEPARATE ACTUARY FOR THE CITY TO CONDUCT ITS OWN EXPERIENCE STUDY, AND ALSO REQUEST THAT A THIRD PARTY ACTUARY COME IN. 
          IF THERE ARE MAJOR DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE TWO EXPERIENCE STUDIES THAT ARE CONDUCTED, AND FINALLY THE INCREASED CITY CONTRIBUTIONS ARE BEING PHASED IN OVER THREE YEAR PERIOD. 
          THIS IS INCORPORATED FOR BUDGETARY PURPOSES. 
          AND, UM, THAT IS KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL, THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE EIGHT ACT, UM, THAT ACTUARIAL DETERMINED CONTRIBUTION MODEL AND MOVING ON TO GOVERNANCE, THERE WAS A ONE ACTIVE MEMBER SEAT THAT WAS REPLACED WITH ONE CITIZEN SEAT APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          THIS WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER AND MICHAEL TRADE-OFF WILL BE STARTING HIS TERM ON THE APRS APRS BOARD IN JANUARY. 
          AND THEN FINALLY I'M BENEFIT ENHANCEMENTS AND MEMBER ELIGIBILITY AT PREVIOUSLY, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE BENEFIT ENHANCEMENTS, COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS, AS WELL AS MODIFIED MEMBER ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. 
          THIS HAS BEEN REMOVED AS PART OF THIS LEGISLATION. 
          SO ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES WILL NOW NEED TO GO THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE FOR APPROVAL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MS. WEAVER, IF YOU COULD, UM, CLARIFY, UM, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THE MORE DESERTION RATE FOR APRS AFTER THE CHANGES WAS WHAT WAS ON THE LIST FOR THE CHART THAT LISTED IT, UM, AS 32 ON SLIDE EIGHT, UM, WAS THAT ACCURATE OR BECAUSE THE SLIDE SAYS ALL OF THE OTHER SLIDES WERE AS OF 12, SO IT'S 12 30, 1, 20 20. 
          SO THAT ACTUARIAL CALCULATION, UM, IT DOES CARVE OUT THE UNFUNDED ACTUARIAL ACCRUED LIABILITY AS OF 12 30, 1 20 20. 
          THE CAMERA PERIOD IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO FUND THAT UNFUNDED LIABILITY AS OF THAT DATE. 
          AND AS OF THAT DATE, THE LEGACY LIABILITY IS BEING PARKED OUT AND PUT ON THAT 30 YEAR AMORTIZATION PERIOD. 
          SO, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE 32 YEAR AMATORIZATION PERIOD THAT'S ON SLIDE EIGHT IS NOT THE ONE THAT IS OPERATIONAL NOW BECAUSE WE MADE THE CHANGES. 
          SO THE 32 YEARS IS FOR THE EMPLOYEE SYSTEM. 
          THE 30 METERS IS FOR THE, I GUESS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS IT WAS INFINITE AT THE TIME THAT WE WENT INTO THIS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO, UM, THE REASONING BEHIND THIS IS, AGAIN, THAT, UM, AS PART OF THE LEGISLATION, THE ORGANIZATION, OR I'M SORRY, THE UNFUNDED ACCRUED LIABILITY THAT WAS PARKED OUT AS PART OF THIS LEGACY LIABILITY CARVED OUT WHAT ALL DEFENDED ACCRUED LIABILITY AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, 2020, WHICH IS THE DATE OF THIS ACTUARIAL VALUATION. 
          SO THAT UNFUNDED ACCRUED LIABILITY HAS BEEN HARMED OUT AND IS PUT ON A 30 YEAR AMORTIZATION PERIOD, WHICH IS SO IN THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE 12 31, 20 20, IT IS ALREADY PACKED. 
          I JUST CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU'RE PRESENTING IT BEFORE THE CHANGES, AND THEN YOU'RE PRESENTING IT AFTER THE CHANGES. 
          AND I, AND I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHICH ONE HAS THE CHANGES IN WHICH ONE DOESN'T GIVEN THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING GIVEN THE WAY THAT YOU ARE PRESENTING IT. 
          SO, AND I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT CONFUSION. 
          SO YES, AND THE 30 YEAR AMORTIZATION PERIOD IS REFLECTIVE OF THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES AND WAS PART OF THAT ACTUARIAL EVALUATION THAT WAS DONE BY SOME ACTUARY FOR THE PERIOD THAT ENDED DECEMBER 31ST, 20, 20. 
          OKAY. 
          SO EVERYTHING, BUT THE, UM, CONTRIBUTION STUFF THAT YOU PRESENTED IS WHAT IT IS MOVING FORWARD, NOT WHAT IT WAS PRIOR TO THE CHANGES. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE RETURN OVER THE YEARS AND WHAT THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ARE. 
          UM, SO ONE QUESTION IS, DID WE CHANGE THE RETURN? UM, I THOUGHT WE HAD ALSO CHANGED THE RETURN ASSUMPTIONS THROUGH THE LEGISLATION FOR APRS. 
          DID WE DO THAT OR WAS THAT THOSE ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTIONS ARE SET BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES? IT'S NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN, UM, RELATED TO THAT, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE ASSUME DOCTOR OR RETURN, BUT NOT A LOT ABOUT HOW THE INFLATION RATE MIGHT IMPACT THE PENSIONS. 
          AND NOW THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING, UM, SOME INFLATION THAT WE HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED RECENTLY, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT WILL IMPACT RETURNS? 
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SO, UH, REGARDING THE INVESTMENT RETURNS IN AND OF THEMSELVES. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE INVESTMENT RETURN RATE, FROM AN ACTUARIAL PERSPECTIVE, IT IS A COMPONENT OF THAT INVESTMENT RETURN RATE. 
          SO THERE IS ACTUALLY THE INFLATION COMPONENT ALONG WITH THE REAL RETURN RATE. 
          SO LOOKING FORWARD AND THE IMPACT FROM AN ACTUARIAL PERSPECTIVE THAT WILL BE FACTORED IN, IN ANY SORT OF, UM, INVESTMENT RETURN ASSUMPTION RATE, MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF INFLATION GOES UP, THAT IMPACTS IT, HOW WITH ALL I DIDN'T HAVE TO, BECAUSE IT IS A SEPARATE COMPONENT. 
          SO AGAIN, THE INVESTMENT RETURN RATES, I MEAN, MAYBE I'M NOT STATING THIS CORRECTLY OR CLEARLY THAT THE INVESTMENT RETURN RATE THAT IS USED AS AN ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTION, IT HAS TWO COMPONENTS. 
          IT HAS THE ASIAN RATES, AND THEN IT HAS THE REAL RETURN RATES. 
          SO IT, IT DOES FACTOR IN BOTH COMPONENTS. 
          UM, SO THE 7%, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR EMPLOYEES, IT HAS A 2.5% INFLATION RATE COMPONENT, AND THEN A 4.5% REAL RATE. 
          SO WHICH COMBINED MAKES THAT INVESTMENT RETURN RATE OF 7% FOR THE ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTION. 
          AND I GUESS I'M ASKING IT IS HIGHER. 
          HOW IS THAT IMPACTING? SO I THINK HIGHER THAN THE ASSUMPTION, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT HOW WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE RETURNS FROM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL REALIZED RETURNS FOR, FOR THE SYSTEM? YES. 
          SO WE HAVE A CHANGE IN OUR ECONOMIC CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE RISING INFLATION, AND I'M ASKING HOW DOES THAT RISING INFLATION IMPACT HOW WE NEED TO BE UNDERSTANDING OUR PREJUDICES AND THEIR STATUS? SO FROM AN INVESTMENT RETURN RATE PERSPECTIVE, THOSE INVESTMENT RETURNS ARE REVIEWED MONTHLY BY, OR EXCUSE ME, QUARTERLY BY THE INVESTMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, BY THE PENSION SYSTEMS. UM, HAVING THE INFLATIONARY RATE HIGHER AT A SPECIFIC POINT IN TIME, I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO IMPACT THE SYSTEM IMMEDIATELY. 
          BUT WHEN LOOKING, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS MORE FROM AN ACTUARIAL PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE IF IT'S SUSTAINED INFLATION, AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR EXPERIENCE STUDIES THAT ARE CONDUCTED EVERY FIVE YEARS, WE'RE LOOKING AT HISTORICAL INFLATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THAT ASSUMED ACTUARIAL RATE IS GOING TO BE A COMPONENT OF THAT INVESTMENT RETURN RATE, MOVING FORWARD FOR THE SYSTEM AND USED IN THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE FUNDING STATUS OF THE SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND HOW IT PLAYS IN THE CALCULATIONS. 
          WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS IF THERE ARE RISKS THAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IN A, IN A PERIOD OF HIGHER INFLATION, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO, UM, AS I STATED EARLIER, RISKS, I'M JUST ASKING WHETHER I NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A CONCERN. 
          UM, IT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK, THINK THAT IS BEING MONITORED BY ALL OF THE, UM, THE PENSION SYSTEMS, AS WELL AS THE INVESTMENT CONSULTANTS. 
          UM, SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER POOL. 
          DID YOU WANT TO, WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO OFFER THAT BECAUSE OF THE SMOOTHING, THE SEVEN-YEAR SMOOTHING THAT DOES MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS, WE'RE IN A UNIQUE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO THAT EVEN IF WE WERE TO SAY, WELL, LOOK BACK AT HYPERINFLATION AND ITS IMPACTS ON PENSION FUNDS SAY TWO DECADES AGO THAT STILL WOULDN'T APPLY. 
          I DON'T THINK, UH, TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE ACTIVE AND THE PASSIVE MONITORING BY EACH OF THE THREE PENSION BOARD TRUSTEES AND THEIR EXCELLENT STAFF TO KIND OF KEEP. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE A PRETTY HIGH POWERED CONSULTANTS WHO ARE HELPING ADVISE US FINANCIALLY ON, ON OUR STATUS AND OUR CHOICES OF PURCHASES. 
          WHENEVER WE, WE, UM, WHENEVER WE EXPAND OUR INVESTMENTS, THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST BELINDA, UM, BASED ON, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER'S QUESTIONS WERE ON THE CHANGES TO THE, UM, CRITERIA FOR THE THREE PENSION PLANS. 
          MAYBE IF YOU HAD A SLIDE THAT SHOWED WHAT THEY WERE A YEAR AGO, LIKE TAKE THAT SLIDE FROM THE PRESENTATION A YEAR AGO, AND THEN YOU CAN SHOW THE SHIFT AFTER THE, THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND WHERE THE CONTRIBUTIONS CHANGED BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE LAST YEAR, RATHER THAN SIMPLY SHOWING US WHAT THEY ARE GOING FORWARD. 
          YES, I CAN, I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT IN NEXT YEAR'S PRESENTATION, OR MAYBE SEND US THAT, THAT SLIDE FROM LAST YEAR AND THEN 
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WE COULD LINE IT UP OURSELVES. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD HELP, UM, EXPLAIN WHERE WE WERE A YEAR AGO. 
          THANKS COLLEAGUES, OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          UM, SO MS. WEAVER FOR THE COERCE INCREASED TO 19%, AGAIN, THE WAY THIS IS PRESENTED MAKES IT REALLY CHALLENGING TO, TO FOLLOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME THINGS WHEN IT'S ELIGIBLE AT THIS POINT, AND THEN YOU'RE CHANGING IT BACK AND FORTH, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CHANGES. 
          UM, SO YOU MENTIONED, UM, LET ME JUST FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS. 
          SO ON SLIDE FOUR, YOU HAVE THE OLD CONTRIBUTION RATES BECAUSE NOW WE WERE LOOKING BACK AT SEPTEMBER, BUT THEN THE DECEMBER CALCULATIONS ARE BASED ON, I MEAN, THERE'S SOMETHING WEIRD ABOUT HOW THIS IS PRESENTED IN TERMS OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING, BUT YOU SAID THAT THE COLORS WENT UP TO 19%. 
          CAN YOU DID JANUARY 1ST, 2021, THE CITY CONTRIBUTION RATE DID GO UP TO 19%. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT IS A PART OF THE CALCULATIONS, UM, AS OF, UH, DECEMBER 31ST, 20, 20 FORWARD, UM, THE, WHEN THE ACTUARIES ARE REVIEWING AND DOING THEIR CALCULATIONS FOR THE, UM, FOR THEIR EVALUATIONS, THEY DO PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THAT 19% IS FACTORED IN FOR THE EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM. 
          SO I DID WANT TO MENTION IT, BUT SO THAT'S FACTORED IN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, THE STATUS AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, 2020 IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THAT GOES INTO EFFECT INTO THE CALCULATIONS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT AT THAT TIME IT WAS NOT THESE NUMBERS, THESE WERE THE PERCENTAGES, BUT NOW WE'RE LOOKING BACK AT 12 30, 1 20 AND PROJECTING IT BASED ON THE NEW, WELL, IT'S PROJECTING IT FORWARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S PROJECTING IT. 
          SO WE'RE, YOU'RE PRESENTING US OUR PENSION RESULTS A YEAR, A YEAR AGO, BUT THEY ARE BASED ON PROJECTIONS FROM THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK, UM, MS. WEAVER FOR, FOR BEING HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APRS CHANGES THAT MAY GET REALLY COMPLICATED REALLY QUICKLY. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, EVERYONE ON THIS COMMITTEE WAS INVOLVED IN THE PENSION WORKING GROUP AND WAS VERY INVOLVED IN SUPPORTING EFFORTS, UM, TO MAKE THESE CHANGES AT THE LEGISLATURE. 
          I WANT TO, UM, GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO REPRESENTATIVE RODRIGUEZ WHO REALLY HELPED US, UM, MOVE THIS LEGISLATION THROUGH AND HELPED US, UM, IN WORKING WITH APRS TO COME TO A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE SOLUTION THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE FISCAL HEALTH. 
          IT GETS TECHNICAL REALLY QUICKLY. 
          UM, BUT IT, BUT IT, UM, HELPS US ADJUST THE RISK AND HELPS US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THE BENEFITS PROMISED, UM, TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR, FOR WORKING ON THAT. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN W YEAH. 
          I, UM, UH, AGREE WITH YOU WITH, WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE ROLE THAT REPRESENTATIVE RODRIGUEZ PLAYED. 
          UH, HE REALLY MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE LEGISLATION TO PASS AND THE REFORMS WERE IMPERATIVE, UM, AND, UH, IT ALLOWED THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND APRS TO CONTINUE TO CONTROL, UH, ITS DESTINY, UH, WITH REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR PENSION FUND, AS OPPOSED TO SHIFTING INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, INTO ANY OTHER HANDS. 
          SO, UH, I THINK THAT ALSO WAS CLEARLY NECESSARY. 
          I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE HAVE, UM, GOOD RESULTS FROM OUR WORK ON CONTINUING THE REFORMS AT CO-CHAIRS, UH, UH, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AS WELL. 
          YEP. 
          AND ALSO WANT TO THANK THE APRS LEADERSHIP AND BOARD, UM, FOR JOINING US IN THESE EFFORTS, UM, TO MAKE EVERYTHING, UH, FISCALLY SOUND IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT AND WE'RE PARTNERS IN ENSURING, UM, THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE RETURNS TO PROVIDE, UM, THE RETIREMENT TO THOSE WHO SERVED OUR CITY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE NEXT ITEM 
          [3. Briefing on Austin-Bergstrom Landhost Enterprises, Inc. (ABLE) and the operations and financial information of the Hilton Hotel at Austin-Bergstorm International Airport.]
IS ITEM THREE, A BRIEFING ON ABEL AND THE OPERATIONS AND FINANCIAL INFORMATION OF THE HILTON HOTEL AT AUSTIN BERGSTROM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. 
          WHO'S MAKING THEIR PRESENTATION. 
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PRESENTATION THREADY, WHENEVER OTHER PRESENTERS YOU'LL HEAR ME. 
          MY NAME IS, CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO HEAR YOU SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          IT'S JUST A LITTLE, UH, QUIET. 
          UM, I KNOW TRACY THOMPSON IS ALSO SUPPOSE TO, IF YOU JUST SPEAK UP JUST SLIGHTLY LOUDER, WE CAN, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          YOU HAVE, WE HAVE SOUNDS JUST NOT SUPER LOUD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, I'M WAITING FOR MY COLLEAGUE TRACY THOMPSON TO, I CAN GO AHEAD AND ADD TRACY FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          TRACY THOMPSON, GIVE ME ONE SECOND. 
          THANK YOU, MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          AND WHEN YOU'RE READY. 
          THANK YOU, MS. THOMPSON. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS TRACY THOMPSON, AND AS WE PROMISED YOU LAST MAY, WE WERE, UH, COMING TO BRING YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR WONDERFUL HILTON HOTEL AT THE AUSTIN BERGSTROM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. 
          UM, IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO BRIEF INTRODUCTIONS AGAIN, I AM TRACY THOMPSON. 
          I'M WEARING A COUPLE OF HATS AS TODAY. 
          I AM THE CHIEF OFFICER AT THE AIRPORT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE AND EXTERNAL AFFAIRS. 
          I'M ALSO THE INTERIM AIRPORT, CHIEF OFFICER FOR OUR CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AND ALSO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF AUSTIN BERGSTROM LANTOS ENTERPRISES. 
          THE ACRONYM IS ABEL JOINING ME TODAY IS MY COLLEAGUE, UH, RAJEEV THOMAS HE'S THE AIRPORT, DEPUTY CHIEF OF FINANCE, AND ALSO JOINING US TODAY IS OUR, IS JACKIE AFT, OUR DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION AND THE CEO FOR AUSTIN BERTRAM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INVITING US BACK TO GIVE YOU THIS UPDATE. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE TO YOU TODAY IS A VERY, UM, SHORT UPDATE. 
          AND WE'RE WELCOME TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOTEL OR WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A FINANCIAL UPDATE, UH, AS WE PROMISED THAT WE WOULD ON A QUARTERLY BASIS REGARDING THE, UH, PROGRESS OF THE HILTON HOTEL, AS IT TRANSITIONS OUT OF THE PANDEMIC AS THE AIRPORT IS TRANSITIONING OUT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL ALSO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF SLIDES ON THE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS TO OTHER AIRPORT HOTELS. 
          SO AS INDUSTRY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AND REGIVE WILL PRESENT THE FINANCIAL UPDATE. 
          UH, GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS RICHARD THOMAS, DEPUTY CHIEF OF FINANCE DEVIATION DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, LIKE EXPLAIN PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, BACK IN MAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAME TO THE COUNCIL TO ASK FOR AN APPROVAL OF THE OPERATING LOAN, AND, UH, WE HAD STATED AT THAT TIME THAT WE WILL COME BACK AND GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ON THE FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE OF THE HOTEL AND HOW IT IS PROGRESSING, UM, YEAR TO DATE. 
          SO WHAT THIS, WHAT THESE RESULTS PRESENT IS FROM JANUARY THROUGH SEPTEMBER, HOW THE HOTEL HAS BEEN PERFORMING. 
          AND I'VE INDICATED ABOUT THREE COLUMNS HERE, WHICH IS JANUARY, JUNE, AND SEPTEMBER TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT HOW THE PERFORMANCE OF THE HOTEL HAS PROBABLY PROGRESSED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY BACK IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, YOU CAN SEE OUR OCCUPANCY RATES WERE VERY LOW AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN BEGINNING OF, OUT-STATE SORRY, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, WE, OUR OCCUPANCY RATES THROUGH JANUARY, FEBRUARY, IT WAS AROUND 20 TO 30%. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WERE IN THE RED ALL THOSE MONTHS. 
          AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ASKED FOR THE OPERATING LOAN TO PAY BACK ALL THOSE, UH, PAST THE PAYABLES THAT WE HAD ACCUMULATED. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE CHARTS, UM, STARTING IN MARCH AS THE VACCINATIONS BECAME MORE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, UM, THE, THE TRAVEL INDUSTRY STARTED TO RECOVER AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OCCUPANCY RATES IMPROVED, 
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UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, 20 TO 30% TO 51% AND STAYED AT ABOUT 50% TILL JUNE. 
          IT TOOK ANOTHER LEAP UP TO ABOUT 60 TO 70% AND CONTINUED THROUGH SEPTEMBER. 
          SO THE PERFORMANCE REALLY IMPROVED OUR AVERAGE DAILY RATES. 
          ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, STEADILY MADE A CLIMB UP TO, ALONG WITH THAT SAME TIMEFRAME. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TO REALIZE ABOUT $130, $240 IN AVERAGE DAILY RATES FROM JUNE TO SEPTEMBER AND OUR OPERATING REVENUES, YOU KNOW, UH, FOLLOWED THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO, AND YOU CAN SEE IN SEPTEMBER, UH, WE ACTUALLY EXCEEDED $1 MILLION IN OPERATING REVENUES. 
          UM, WELL THAT MONTH AND OUR EBITDA ALSO RECOVERED, UM, IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, WE WERE IN THE RED, AS YOU CAN SEE. 
          AND THEN MARCH, APRIL, MAY, WE STARTED TO GET SOME EXCESS REVENUES THAT STARTED FLOWING AFTER PAYING ALL THE, UM, THE OPERATING OBLIGATIONS FOR THOSE CURRENT MONTHS. 
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
          AND ALSO IN THIS TIMEFRAME, WE ALSO GOT FORGIVENESS FOR OUR PPP ONE LOAN, WHICH WAS 907,555. 
          WE GOT A HUNDRED PERCENT FORGIVENESS ON THE WHOLE LOAN A MONTH. 
          NO, MR. THOMAS, BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN FOR THOSE ARE WATCHING SINCE IT'S NOT ON THE SLIDE, WHAT THE EBI TDA STANDS? OH, YES. 
          IT'S EARNINGS BEFORE INTEREST TAXES, DEPRECIATION AND AMORTIZATION. 
          SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT EARNINGS BEFORE INTEREST TAXES, DEPRECIATION AND AMORTIZATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS SLIDE SHOWS HOW THE HOTEL HAS BEEN PERFORMING VERSUS THE OVERALL AUSTIN MARKET. 
          AND ALSO OUR COMPETITIVE SET. 
          OUR COMPOSITE COMPETITIVE SET IS A LIST OF HOTELS THAT HAVE THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS, UM, AS THE, THE AIRPORT HILTON. 
          AND, UH, THIS, THESE COMPETITIVE SET WAS CHOSEN BACK IN 2017 WHEN WE DID THE BOND RESTRUCTURING. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPANCY RATES FOR THE HILTON AUSTIN WAS 55%. 
          OUR AVERAGE DAILY RATE YEAR TO DATE IS A HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX NINETY FOUR. 
          AND OUR REVENUE PER AVAILABLE ROOM IS 69, 84 COMPARED TO THE OVERALL AUSTIN MARKET. 
          IT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPANCY RATE, AS YOU CAN SEE A SLIGHTLY BELOW, BUT AVERAGE DAILY RATE IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER BECAUSE THEY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL AUSTIN MARKET, THIS INCLUDES ALL CLASSES OF HOTELS. 
          SO, UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOWER RATE HOTELS, YOU KNOW, TWO STAR, THREE STAR HOTELS, ET CETERA. 
          AND, UH, AND THE, THE, THE REVENUE PER AVAILABLE ROOM ALSO UNDERPERFORMED A LITTLE BIT, BUT VERSUS THE COMPANY THAT'S COMPETITIVE SET, WE OVER-PERFORMED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPANCY RATES WERE BETTER AT 55% VERSUS 49.4. 
          OUR AVERAGE DAILY RATE WAS $127 VERSUS ABOUT $117 AND HOUR, YOU KNOW, ROUGH POWER OR THE ROOMS PER AVAILABLE, UH, REVENUE PER AVAILABLE ROOM WAS $69 AND 84 CENTS VERSUS 57 62. 
          SO IN THE COMPETITIVE SET, WE HAVE, UH, FIVE HOTELS IN THE COMPETITIVE SIDE. 
          UH, ONE IS THE DOUBLETREE AT TWO 90, UH, THE MARRIOTT SOUTH, THE AUSTIN SOUTH PARK HOTEL IN THE RADISSON HOTEL. 
          THERE WAS ALSO THE, UM, ONE OF THE HOTELS THAT CLOSED IN MAY. 
          THAT WAS ALSO A PART OF THIS COMPETITIVE SET, BUT, UH, THAT WAS THE, I BELIEVE THE CROWN, UH, PLAZA HOTEL THAT WE'VE, UH, NO, I'M SORRY. 
          THE WYNDHAM, THE WYNDHAM HOTEL CLOSED IN MAY. 
          THAT USED TO BE PART OF THIS COMPETITIVE SECTOR, BUT THE TRAVEL TREE, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, DURING THIS TIME PERIOD DURING COVID WAS HOUSING, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AND, UH, THE SOUTH PARK, THE AUSTIN SOUTH PARK HOTEL USED TO BE KNOWN AS THE OMNI HOTEL, AND THEY REBRANDED AT AUSTIN SOUTH PARK, SOUTH PARK HOTEL IN AUGUST, AND THE RADISSON HOTEL WAS PREVIOUSLY THE CROWN PLAZA. 
          SO THAT IS OUR COMPETITIVE SET. 
          AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE WYNDHAM CLUBS, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO REGARDING THE LOAN, UM, THIS LOAN WAS STRUCTURED 
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IN TWO WAYS. 
          ONE WAS, THERE WAS A BASE LOAN, WHICH WAS THE 1.35 MILLION, WHICH WAS THE INITIAL DRAW THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE TO PAY ALL THE PAST FEW INVOICES. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS A CONTINGENCY LINE OF CREDIT FOR 1.2, 5 MILLION THAT WE WOULD DRAW ON IN CASE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T SEE THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY, UH, UH, COME SOONER AND, YOU KNOW, THE HOTEL WAS STILL IN THE RED, UH, IN THE COMING MONTHS. 
          UH, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS, THIS, UH, OPERATING LOAN ON JUNE 3RD, 2021, UH, NEXT YPO. 
          AND TH THE LOAN WAS FUNDED ON AUGUST 9TH, 2021. 
          SO THAT IS WHEN ABEL RE RECEIVED THE FUNDS AND HAVE TO BE APPROVED. 
          WELL, UH, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE, THE APRIL BOARD APPROVAL. 
          IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO SET UP A MASTER AGREEMENT, ET CETERA, UH, ONCE WE HAD THE FINAL OPERATING AGREEMENT. 
          SO THE LOAN WAS FUNDED AS OF AUGUST 9TH, 2021 FOR 1.3, 5 MILLION. 
          SO OUT OF THAT LOAN AMOUNT, WE USE ALMOST 800 AND I MEAN, $825,000, UH, TO PAY ALL THE PAST DUE INVOICES. 
          AND WE HAVE ABOUT $525,000 FROM THAT INITIAL DRAWS STILL LEFT. 
          UM, BASED ON WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THE HOTEL, WE REALLY DON'T THINK, UM, THAT WE WOULD NEED ANY MORE OF THAT OPERATING LOAN TO MEET ANY OBLIGATIONS GOING FORWARD, AT LEAST NOT THE OPERATING OBLIGATIONS, SO GOING FORWARD. 
          SO OUR INTENT RIGHT NOW IS TO TAKE THOSE UNUSED LOAN PROCEEDS AND TRANSFER IT BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION. 
          UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ALWAYS THE 1.2, 5 MILLION LINE OF CREDIT THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE HOTEL IF IT NEEDS TO DRAW THROUGH DECEMBER, 2022. 
          UH, SO THAT IS RIGHT NOW THE PLANS, UH, WITH THE LOAN PROCEEDS AND, UH, UH, THAT, THAT WAS THE STATUS OF THE LOAN THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK ME IF, UH, IF THERE IS NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND IT OVER TO TRACY, UH, TO, TO PRESENT, UH, THE, THE COMPARISONS OF HILTON HOTEL TO OTHER FEAR, AIRPORT HOTELS, UH, THAT WAS REQUESTED MY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, CATHEDRAL, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AND THEN THE ONE AFTER THAT, AS WELL AT SEE, YES, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO COMPARING, UH, THE HILTON PERFORMANCE AT THE AIRPORT AGAINST OTHER AUSTIN-BASED COMPETITIVE SET AIRPORTS, WE ALSO LOOK AT OTHER AIRPORT HOTELS, HOTELS THAT ARE LOCATED ON AIRPORT PROPERTIES, AND THAT COMPETITIVE SET THAT WE LIKE AND THE HILTON HOTEL AT THE AUSTIN BERGSTROM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT TOO, IS THIS LIST OF HOTELS ON THE LEFT, PLEASE, PITTSBURGH ST. 
          LOUIS, UH, NEW ORLEANS AND OUR PERFORMANCE, UH, FOR OCCUPANCY AVAILABLE, UM, AVAILABLE DAILY RATE AND REV PAR REVENUE PER AVAILABLE ROOM, THE AVERAGE DAILY RATE AND REVENUE PER AVAILABLE ROOM, OR IN THE CHARTS ABOVE AND AUSTIN HILTON AIRPORT IS, UM, HOTEL IS REFLECTED IN THE ORANGE LINE. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE, AND, UM, THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH AND OUTPERFORMING SOME OF OUR COMPETITIVE SET AIRPORTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 
          SO WE CONTINUE AS NOT ONLY THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION, BUT ALSO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE ABL CORPORATION, CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THESE METRICS AND, UH, ADDRESS ANY ISSUES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT ONLY PROVIDING THE BEST SERVICES FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, BUT MAKING SURE AND OUR VISITORS AND GUESTS THAT COME TO AUSTIN, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PERFORMING RELATIVE TO OTHER AIRPORT HOTELS, UM, JUST ANECDOTALLY, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS OUR LAST SLIDE, BUT JUST ANECDOTALLY A LOT OF THE, UH, THE ABILITY OF THE AIRPORT HOTEL TO PERFORM WELL IS BASED UPON HOW WELL YOUR AIRPORT PERFORMS. IT'S THE CITY OF AUSTIN AIRPORT PERFORMS THAT GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC BASED UPON THE PERFORMANCE AND THE, UM, OF THE AIRPORT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF CREW CONTRACTS FOR OUR AIRLINES THAT, UM, OPERATE HERE AND AS THEIR FLIGHTS INCREASE, THEIR CREW NUMBERS INCREASE, WHICH ALSO HELPED SUPPORT THE, UM, THE HOTEL. 
          SO THE BEST WAY TO SUPPORT THIS HOTEL IS TO SUPPORT THE AIRPORT. 
          IT ALL IS LINKED TOGETHER. 
          AND WE THANK YOU IN THE PAST AND IN THE FUTURE FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF BOTH OF THESE ENTERPRISES, UH, RAJEEV AND JACKIE AND I ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR TO TAKE DOWN NOTES FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ABOUT THE HOTEL MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, IF YOU CAN TAKE THE PRESENTATION DOWN, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR JOINING US TODAY TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION. 
          COLLEAGUES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, 
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CUSTOMER TYPICAL? I DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS REALLY USEFUL AND INTERESTING INFORMATION. 
          I LIKELY WILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BEYOND TODAY, BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK ONES. 
          UM, COULD WE GO BACK TO SLIDE FOUR AND YOU DON'T NEED TO PULL IT UP NECESSARILY, BUT I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON HERE. 
          UM, AND WHEN EMPLOYEES STARTED TO BE HIRED BACK, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT, UM, WHEN AND HOW THAT HAPPENED, UM, WHEN THAT HAPPENED AND WHAT ITS IMPACT WAS IN TERMS OF THE REVENUES AND OPERATING EXPENSES. 
          SURE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK BACK, THE EMPLOYEES REALLY STARTED TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STARTED TO SEE THE OCCUPANCY RATES INCREASE, YOU KNOW, MARCH, APRIL, MAY, AND WE HAD SOME CHALLENGES INITIALLY IN GETTING EMPLOYEES BACK AND HIRING. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH CONTRACT LABOR TO SUPPLEMENT A LOT OF THE HOUSEKEEPING STAFF. 
          UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO LIKE THE MAY ACTUAL PERFORMANCE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT PARTICULAR MONTH, UM, COMPARED TO HOW THE AIRPORT DID, UM, WE HAD CHALLENGES IN GETTING HOUSEKEEPING STAFF AND MAKING THE ROOMS AVAILABLE AND READY FOR THE, THE, THE NEXT MORNING. 
          UM, SO THIS, THIS HOTEL IS VERY DEPENDENT ON WHAT WE CALL THE OVERNIGHT STAY, UM, PASSENGERS THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKE EARLY MORNING FLIGHTS. 
          SO THE, THE TURNOVER IN ROOMS IS JUST LIKE USUALLY JUST ONE DAY, YOU KNOW, MOST THE AVERAGE, UM, THE CUSTOMER STAYS THERE JUST A LITTLE OVER ONE DAY. 
          I THINK IT'S LIKE 1.2 DAYS OR SOMETHING IS WHAT WAS GOING TO, UM, UH, MENTIONED TO ME. 
          SO WE HAVE A NEED TO HAVE A LOT MORE HOUSEKEEPING STAFF THAN OTHER TYPICAL HOTELS WHERE THE AVERAGE DAY MIGHT BE TWO TO THREE DAYS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE CHALLENGES, HIRING STAFF THAT AFFECTS THE ROOMS THAT WE CAN HAVE READY FOR BOOKINGS. 
          SO THAT AFFECTED JUST THE MONTH OF MAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID A GREAT JOB OF GETTING CONTRACT LABOR AND HIRING UP FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE GOING FORWARD. 
          AND, UH, WE ALSO, UH, INCREASE THE HOURLY WAGE TO $14 AN HOUR. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE, UH, THAT GOES HIGHER FROM $14 AN HOUR FOR HOUSEKEEPING STAFF, UH, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO THE GENERAL MANAGER THERE, WE STILL HAVE CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, AS MOST BUSINESSES ARE FACING, UM, IN HIRING UP. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. 
          AND DURING THAT EARLY PERIOD, THE HOTEL MANAGEMENT WAS, UH, MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE GOING AND CLEANING THE ROOMS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, CHANGING THE BED SHEETS ON GETTING THE HOTEL ROOMS READY. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST, IT'S A TEAM EFFORT AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE AS MANY ROOMS AVAILABLE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE? THANK YOU. 
          THAT IS REALLY VERY INTERESTING. 
          AND YOU'VE HIGHLIGHTED A FEW ELEMENTS OF, OF, UM, WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT THE HILTON THAN SOME OTHER HOTELS. 
          I THANK YOU FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF HOW MANY EMPLOYEES RETURN TO THEIR JOBS VERSUS OUR NEW HIRES? OR COULD YOU MAYBE GET THAT INFORMATION TO US? WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT IN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MAY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT FOR NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COLLEAGUES, I DID WANT TO JUST TOUCH BASE IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE PRESENTATIONS, UM, IN PERSON DURING THE MEETING, OR IF WE THINK THAT MEMOS MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, UH VICE-CHAIR POOL. 
          I THINK YOU HAD REQUESTED THESE BRIEFINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          I THINK, UM, WE WERE LOOKING TO CATCH EVERYBODY UP AND MAKE US MUCH MORE CONVERSANT WITH, UM, ACTIVITY GOING ON WITH THE VARIOUS ASSOCIATED ENTITIES WITH THE CITY. 
          SO I'M, I'M GRATEFUL TO HAVE THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE STAFF IN PERSON AND, AND HAVE THEM, UM, HAVE THEM PERIODICALLY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S USEFUL AS OPPOSED TO SIMPLY A MEMO. 
          OF COURSE, WE GET THE INFORMATION ALSO IN PAPER FORM AS PART OF OUR BACKUP, AND I APPRECIATE THE CHAIR MAKING ROOM FOR, UM, THESE UPDATES A FEW TIMES A YEAR. 
          OKAY, WELL THEN WE WILL, UM, WE WILL CONTINUE, UM, TO INVITE YOU TO JOIN US. 
          UM, THERE IS NOT A, UH, BODY MORE BROADLY THAT DOES OVERSIGHT OVER THE AIRPORT FROM COUNCIL. 
          SO I WOULD JUST, UM, INVITE MISS YAPHET IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU THINK THAT THIS COMMITTEE, UM, OUGHT TO BE MORE CONVERSANT IN, UM, OR KNOW ABOUT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE, UM, FURTHER 
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COUNCIL ENGAGEMENT TO PLEASE REACH OUT TO I OFFICE, UM, THAT IS NOT NECESSARY, BUT IT IS AN OFFER IF IT WOULD BE, UM, USEFUL, UM, TO YOUR WORK LEADING OUR AIRPORT, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL AIRPORT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THE INFORMATION, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU WON'T NEED ALL THE LOAN AND THAT THINGS ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAPPY HOLIDAYS. 
          HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO 
          [4. Briefing on the Fiscal Year 2021 City Auditor's Integrity Unit Report]
THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE WILL TAKE UP IS THE INTEGRITY UNIT REPORT. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
           GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHILE WE'RE WAITING WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR OUR NEXT PRESENTATION, I JUST WANT TO, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE AIRPORT THAT I'M GOING TO GET TO THEM AFTER I'M TRYING TO HOW THAT $14 AN HOUR COMPARES TO OUR WAGE FLOOR THAT WE HAVE FOR OTHER CITY JOBS FOR REGULAR CITY OF AUSTIN JOBS. 
          UM, SO JUST COLLEAGUES, WE MAY HAVE FOLLOW UP ON THAT, ON THAT POINT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND PRESENT BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TODAY. 
          MY NAME IS BRIAN MILLER. 
          I AM THE CHIEF OF INVESTIGATIONS OF THE INTEGRITY UNIT AT THE OFFICE OF THE CITY AUDITOR. 
          THE INTEGRITY UNIT IS MADE OF FOUR, UH, MADE UP OF FOUR INVESTIGATORS. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND HERE'S A QUICK AGENDA OF WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN THIS PRESENTATION, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER SOME ALLEGATION TRENDS FROM FISCAL YEAR 21, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE INVESTIGATIONS WE COMPLETED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND THEN BRIEFLY TOUCH ON WHAT INVESTIGATIONS ARE ONGOING. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, LARGE SCALE INFORMATION HERE. 
          THERE WERE 242 ALLEGATIONS THAT CAME INTO MY TEAM OVER THE COURSE OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          THAT IS A DECREASE FROM THE YEAR BEFORE, AND WE'RE ON ABOUT A TWO YEAR TREND OF DECREASES, BUT THAT DOES LINE UP PRETTY WELL, UH, WITH THE COVID PANDEMIC IN A LARGE, UM, SWATH OF EMPLOYEES MOVING TO WORKING FROM HOME. 
          AND THAT JUST TENDS TO DIMINISH THE AMOUNT OF RED FLAGS THE EMPLOYEES CAN SEE THAT WOULD THEN LEAD TO ALLEGATIONS REPORTED TO OUR OFFICE. 
          WE DON'T ACTUALLY THINK FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE IS DECREASING BY THOSE NUMBERS. 
          WE'RE JUST HEARING ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT LESS BECAUSE OF THE WORKING ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GETTING FEWER ALLEGATIONS IN, IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT A LARGER PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ALLEGATIONS ACTUALLY FIT WITHIN THE FRAUD WASTE AND ABUSE FRAMEWORK THAT IS WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. 
          SO MY TEAM ACTUALLY HAD MORE ALLEGATIONS WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION THAT WE HAD TO TAKE INVESTIGATIVE STEPS FOR THIS YEAR THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          SO OVERALL FEWER ALLEGATIONS, BUT AN INCREASE IN THE ONES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING YEAR OVER YEAR CHANGES IN THE ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE COMING IN ON THE LEFT SIDE. 
          THERE, WE HAVE THE MOST COMMON OUTSIDE JURISDICTION ALLEGATIONS AND, UH, THE BIGGEST HUNK OF THAT GROUP IS HR RELATED CONCERNS THAT REPRESENTED 30%. 
          UM, NOW THAT WAS, IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG INCREASE OVER FISCAL YEAR 20 WHEN THEY WERE 19%. 
          UH, BUT A LOT OF THAT WAS DRIVEN BY COVID RELATED CONCERNS THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD IN PREVIOUS YEARS, ESPECIALLY AS EMPLOYEES START TRANSITIONING BACK INTO WORKING CONDITIONS, WE SAW A LARGE UPTAKE IN ALLEGATIONS THAT WE HAD JUST NEVER SEEN BEFORE ABOUT A PLACE CONCERNED ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY, HOW, HOW THEIR NEW WORK ENVIRONMENTS CAN BE SET UP, HOW, UM, POTENTIAL EXPOSURE ISSUES ARE REPORTED AND HANDLED. 
          AND I THINK THAT COVERS A LOT OF THE INCREASE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THERE. 
          THE OTHER LARGEST AREA WAS DEPARTMENT OPERATIONAL ISSUES, UM, THAT ACTUALLY DECREASED, UM, BUT NOT IN A WAY THAT, UM, B CAN EXPLAIN BY JUST YEAR OVER YEAR FLUCTUATION, THOSE OPERATIONAL ISSUES GO TO THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO HANDLE, UM, MOVING OVER TO THE ITEMS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION OF FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE. 
          WE DID SEE A BIG UPTAKE IN CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          I THINK THAT'S MOSTLY TIED TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD THREE CONFLICT OF INTEREST CASES LAST YEAR. 
          UM, WHENEVER WE HAVE HAVE A CASE THAT PRODUCES A PUBLIC REPORT, IT GENERATES SOME, UM, UH, ATTENTION OR INCREASED ATTENTION TO THAT TYPE OF ISSUE. 
          AND SOMETIMES WE HEAR ABOUT A SIMILAR ISSUES A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE EMPLOYERS ARE NOW MORE AWARE OF IT. 
          ADDITIONALLY, WE WORK WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT IN THEIR ANNUAL ETHICS TRAINING AND, UH, THE ISSUES WE SEE IN A GIVEN YEAR GET FACTORED INTO THE TRAINING THEY GIVE THE NEXT YEAR. 
          SO THE MOST RECENT ETHICS TRAINING HAD AN EMPHASIS ON CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          AND I THINK THAT CAN HELP EXPLAIN WHY WE SEEING MORE CONFLICT OF INTEREST ALLEGATIONS. 
          UH, MISUSE ALLEGATIONS ALSO WENT UP, UH, ABUSE ALLEGATIONS WENT UP A LITTLE BIT 
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AND THEN OUR THEFT AND WASTE ALLEGATIONS BOTH WENT DOWN. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, MOST OF THIS IS EXPLAINED BY JUST YEAR TO YEAR FLUCTUATION, NEXT SLIDE, UH, MOVING ON TO HOW PEOPLE REPORT TO OUR OFFICE, UH, IT'S BEST PRACTICE TO LET PEOPLE REPORT ANONYMOUSLY. 
          YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE CONCERNS THAT ARE OUT THERE IF THEY DON'T. 
          SO WE REALLY PRIORITIZE EASY WAYS TO REPORT TO OUR OFFICE ANONYMOUSLY. 
          WE HAVE AN ONLINE REPORTING FORM. 
          THAT'S ANONYMOUS. 
          WE HAVE, UH, EMAIL THAT PEOPLE CAN USE ANONYMOUSLY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A PHONE LINE. 
          WHISTLEBLOWER HOTLINE IS WHAT THEY USUALLY CALL IT IN THE INDUSTRY WHERE PEOPLE CAN REPORT TO US ANONYMOUS ANONYMOUSLY IF THEY CHOOSE. 
          AND 64% OF ALL OF OUR REPORTERS CHOSE TO BE ANONYMOUS. 
          THAT'S AN UPTICK FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, AND IT JUST MATCHES EXACTLY WHAT WE READ ABOUT IN BEST PRACTICES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE ANONYMOUS. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THINGS, YOU GOT TO LET THEM BE ANONYMOUS. 
          THE MOST COMMON REPORTING METHODS WERE THE ONLINE REPORTING FORM. 
          62% OF OUR REPORTERS USE THAT NEXT. 
          THE MOST COMMON WAS, UH, THE WHISTLEBLOWER HOTLINE AT 13. 
          AND I JUST THREW IN THAT LAST ONE THERE, THAT 5% OF OUR ALLEGATIONS CAME FROM DIRECT CONTACT TO THE INVESTIGATORS. 
          AND I THINK THAT GOES TO SHOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD POSITIVE EXPERIENCES WITH MY INVESTIGATORS AND, UH, THEY THEY'VE LEARNED TO TRUST THEM. 
          THEY LEARNED THAT THEY ACTUALLY DON'T NEED TO BE ANONYMOUS, THAT THEY CAN JUST CALL THE INVESTIGATOR DIRECTLY AND REPORT A CONCERN THEY HAVE. 
          UM, SO I'M PROUD THAT AT LEAST 5% OF OUR REPORTERS FELT THAT WAY AND REACHED OUT TO THE INVESTIGATORS DIRECTLY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AS FAR, UH, THIS SLIDE IS MOSTLY JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT SORT OF INFORMATION WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO TRACK. 
          I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE, UH, BETTER TRENDING UP OR TRENDING DOWN ARE, ARE NECESSARILY ANY, ANY CONCERNS JUST YEAR OVER YEAR FLUCTUATION, BUT IT IS DATA THAT WE KEEP IN, IN CASE WE DO SEE A TREND THAT BECOMES CONCERNING. 
          SO WE HAD THREE DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEIR, UH, UM, THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THE ALLEGATIONS WE RECEIVE, UM, MOVED UP, UH, IN A REPORTABLE FASHION, OR THESE WERE THE THREE LARGEST. 
          ANYWAY, IT'S AUSTIN WATER, AUSTIN CODE AND CITY OFFICIALS ALL HAD MOVED UP TO 8% OF OUR INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH WAS AN INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN THREE, JUST SHOWING YOU, WE HAVE THREE THAT MOVED DOWN. 
          UH, AUSTIN ENERGY ACTUALLY WENT DOWN FROM 17% IN FISCAL YEAR 20 TO 10% OF OUR ALLEGATIONS. 
          UH, CTM ALSO DROPPED AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DROPPED AGAIN. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S YEAR OVER YEAR FLUCTUATION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN TRACK OVER THE LARGE SCOPE TO SEE IF ANYTHING IS ACTUALLY CONCERNING NEXT SLIDE. 
          ALL RIGHT, MOVING ONTO THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE FULLY COMPLETED THIS YEAR, AND EITHER PRODUCED A PUBLIC REPORT, OR IF IT DIDN'T HAVE A SUBSTANTIATED VIOLATION, JUST, UH, PRODUCED A CLOSE-UP MEMO THAT WE SHARED WITH THE RELEVANT DEPARTMENT IN THE CENTER. 
          THERE ARE THE ONES THAT GET THE MOST ATTENTION. 
          THOSE ARE OUR SEVEN SUBSTANTIATED CITY CODE VIOLATIONS. 
          UM, BUT WE ALSO HAD FOUR CASES THAT HAD AN UNSUBSTANTIATED RESULT, MEANING WE COLLECTED ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SAY, WHAT WAS ALLEGED, DEFINITIVELY DID NOT HAPPEN. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS ONE CASE WHERE WE HAD EVIDENCE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. 
          WE HAD HAVE AN INCONCLUSIVE RESULT. 
          UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T LIKE THOSE, BUT THEY HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          BUT, UH, LUCKILY DUE TO THE, UM, INVESTIGATORS, UH, WORKING VERY HARD AND BEING DEDICATED, WE WERE ABLE TO SUBSTANTIATE HER ON SUBSTANTIATE 11 OF THE 12 NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND HERE'S A QUICK SUMMARY OF THOSE SEVEN INVESTIGATIONS THAT TURNED INTO PUBLIC REPORTS, UH, OF NOTE HERE. 
          UH, THEY SPAN FIVE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          AUSTIN ENERGY DID POP UP THREE TIMES. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PARTICULARLY CONCERNING. 
          THEY ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY AND NONE OF THE THREE CASES WERE RELATED TO THE OTHER. 
          SO THEY INVOLVE THREE DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES IN DIFFERENT JOBS, DOING VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO, UM, NO INDICATION OF ANYTHING SYSTEMIC GOING ON. 
          THE OTHER THING WORTH NOTING HERE IS THAT THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, ALL TOOK CORRECTIVE DISCIPLINARY ACTION. 
          IN THESE CASES, THEY, THEY TOOK OUR RESULTS. 
          THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE, THEY WERE WELL SUBSTANTIATED AND, UM, THE VIOLATIONS WERE SERIOUS ENOUGH. 
          AND IN A MAJORITY OF THE CASES, SIX OUT OF SEVEN, IT ACTUALLY RESULTED IN EMPLOYEE SEPARATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          ALL RIGHT, MOVING ONTO THE ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. 
          MY TEAM'S STILL LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE EIGHT OPEN INVESTIGATIONS, THEY'RE ACROSS SEVEN DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF DISPERSED ACROSS THE CITY AND THEY INVOLVE A LOT OF THE SIMILAR ISSUES THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, INCLUDING GIFT SOLICITATION, FRAUD, CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND MISUSE OF CITY RESOURCES. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH COLLEAGUES, ANY QUESTIONS? UM, YOU DO A GREAT JOB, APPRECIATE, UM, INFORMATION AND THE REPORTS THAT WE GET FROM YOUR OFFICE. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOURSELF. 
          WE'LL DO, UH, CHAIR. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY HAD A QUESTION. 
          COULDN'T SEE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANT TO THANK THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE FOR THEIR THOROUGH AND THOUGHTFUL REPORTS. 
          UM, I'M JUST ALWAYS AMAZED AT HOW WELL THEY PUT THEM TOGETHER AND HOW EASY THEY ARE FOR US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND. 
          AND SO I WANTED TO THANK THEM FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SURE. 
          I ALSO WANTED TO JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK. 
          I JUST THINK THIS IS A KEY COMPONENT TO REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE GOVERNMENT THAT'S ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE AND IT IS, IT IS 
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REALLY AN BUILDS CONFIDENCE AND ALL OF OUR PROCESSES TO KNOW THAT THE WORK IS BEING THE WORK TO INVESTIGATE. 
          UM, THESE KINDS OF ALLEGATIONS IS BEING DONE SO CAREFULLY AND SO THOROUGHLY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, 
          [5. Discussion and possible approval of proposed bylaws amendments for the Planning Commission, Zoning and Platting Commission, and Board of Adjustment.]
OUR NEXT ITEM HAS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UM, WHICH IS PROPOSED BY LAW CHANGES FOR THREE LAND USE COMMISSIONS. 
          UM, WE HAVE CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. 
          UM, AND SO I AM GOING TO CALL UP, UM, THOSE WHO SIGNED UP FIRST AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE PRESENTATION, UM, FROM THE CLERK. 
          AND WE CAN THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF, UM, AS, AS APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, SO OUR FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE, UM, JESSICA COHN AND OUR SECOND SPEAKER WILL BE, UH, JOLENE GIL BASA. 
          SO YOU WILL EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          DO YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE ORDER? HI, IT WAS GOING TO ASK IF I COULD SPEAK FIRST AND THEN COMMISSIONER GREENBERG SECOND, AND THEN, UH, AND WE HAD ALREADY AGREED ON THAT. 
          IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF WHEN WE SIGNED UP. 
          I HAVE FOUR PEOPLE. 
          I HAVE, UM, JESSICA CONE, JOLENE, BETSY, AND TODD. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO JUST STATE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU COME UP, I'M FINE. 
          IF YOU WANT TO SET A PARTICULAR ORDER. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          AND YOU HAVE MY PRESENTATION. 
          I SEE THAT. 
          AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I AM JOLENE KOBASA THE VICE CHAIR OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING, ZONING AND ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND THIS, UM, THE APPROPRIATE PLACE CITY HALL IS THE SYMBOL OF DEMOCRACY AND POLITICAL DISCUSSION. 
          IT'S ALSO A LANDMARK BUILDING. 
          IT'S EASY TO FIND PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER IS WHERE DEVELOPERS GET PERMITS. 
          IT IS NOT NEUTRAL GROUND. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          CITY HALL IS DESIGNED FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          THIS IS FROM THE CITY'S OWN WEBSITE. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND THE MEMO THAT COUNCIL TO COUNCIL REINFORCES THE IDEA THAT THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER IS DESIGNED FOR THE BENEFIT OF CUSTOMERS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, SAFETY AND SECURITY AT CITY HALL, UM, METAL DETECTORS AND SECURITY OUTSIDE CHAMBERS AT ALL TIME SECURE PARKING OUTDOOR LIGHTING BUS STOPS ARE THE BUSIEST IN THE CITY AND THE DOWNTOWN IS FULL OF PEDESTRIANS. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND, UM, THE, THIS IS HERE'S THE PDC, NO LIGHTING, NO SIDEWALKS, NO CARS, NO PEOPLE. 
          AND THIS WAS TAKEN AT ABOUT EIGHT 15 AT NIGHT. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, AND TRAVELING TO CITY HALL AND IS GENERALLY AGAINST RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. 
          AND FOR SOUTH AUSTIN NIGHTS, THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT FOR RESIDENTS AND APPLICANTS. 
          I MEAN, THERE, ONCE THEY HIT CITY HALL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRAVELING WITH RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC AND WE KIND OF DON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT SOUTH AUSTINITES ALREADY HAVE TO CONTEND WITH CROSSING THE RIVER. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          CITY HALL IS DEFINITELY AT THE CENTER OF TRANSIT TOO. 
          IT'S A 0.2 MILE WALK, WHICH I CAN ATTEST TO TODAY WAS VERY PLEASANT AND THE HIGH FREQUENT EIGHT HIGH-FREQUENCY BUS ROUTES. 
          AND WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO DO TAKE THE BUS IN ADDITION TO COMMISSIONERS, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, AT LEAST HALF A MILE WALK FROM THE BUS STOPS AND ONLY TWO HIGH FREQUENCY BUS ROUTES. 
          AND, UM, AND THERE'S NOBODY GETTING ON AND OFF THE BUSES, BUT SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE, D TWO BUS RIDE, NO TRANSFER 40 MINUTES, AND THEN PDS. 
          AND YET GOING TO THE PDC WILL REQUIRE A TRANSFER THAT INCLUDES A FIVE MINUTE WALK FROM ONE BUS, STOP TO ANOTHER, AND IT WILL MORE THAN DOUBLE THE TIME. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND THIS IS MY BEST RIDE, PRETTY EASY. 
          UM, AND IT'S AND GOING TO PDC WOULD REQUIRE ONE TRANSFER. 
          AND THAT WOULD MEAN ACTUALLY CROSSING CANEY FROM ONE BUS. 
          STOP TO ANOTHER NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND PERSONAL SAFETY IS AT RISK. 
          THIS IS ADJACENT TO THE PDC. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND THE HERE'S THE CITY RATIONALE DOES SACRA REPORT DID MAKE SUGGESTIONS ON ASSISTING COMMISSIONS, UM, INCLUDING MAKING SURE THAT LEGAL IS IT LEGAL IS AVAILABLE AND NOW, UM, AND THEY DID PROMOTE 
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THEIR PARKING. 
          AND THEN I WILL, I WILL FOR COMMISSIONER GREENBERG. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THE PIECE, JUST STATE YOUR NAME SINCE WE DID, SORRY, I'M BETSY GREENBERG AND I'M GOING TO FINISH HER PRESENTATION. 
          UM, THE PDC MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS OR SPECIFICALLY FOR THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS. 
          THERE'S NO DYESS, THERE'S AN AWKWARD LAYOUT. 
          IT'S BASICALLY MOVABLE TABLES AND STACKABLE CHAIRS. 
          THERE'S NO COMPUTERS AVAILABLE ON THE DYESS, UM, OR THERE'S NO DYESS, UM, FOR US TO LOOK AT OUR CASE MATERIALS IT'S BEEN USED IN THE PAST AS A POLLING PLACE. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, THE CHAIRS, THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE, THEY'RE STACKING CHAIRS, DOES THE CITY REALLY EXPECT THE PUBLIC STAFF APPLICANTS AND COMMISSIONERS TO SIT FOR HOURS ON THESE STACKABLE CHAIRS? AND WE APPRECIATE THE MEMO THAT WAS SENT LAST NIGHT, I GUESS THAT SAYS, OKAY, WE'LL LOOK AT GETTING MORE COMFORTABLE CHAIRS AND BETTER SIGNAGE. 
          UM, BUT ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO COST BUNNY AND THEY CAN'T FIX THE THINGS LIKE THE LIGHTING AND THE ISOLATION AND THE DISTANCE TO THE BUS STOP. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT THEY WILL SPEND MORE MONEY TO CHANGE THE THINGS THEY CAN CHANGE. 
          UM, LIKE POSSIBLY THE STACKABLE CHAIRS. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, SO MOVING THE MEETINGS TO PDC JUST REALLY SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE ABOUT WHO SHOULD PARTICIPATE. 
          AND, UM, WHAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          THE LAND USE IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT FUNCTION OF CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, THE LOCATION THAT THEY'RE WANTING US TO MOVE TO IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF APPLICANTS WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC OR VOLUNTEER COMMISSIONERS TRANSIT DEPENDENT, UM, INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE A MUCH HARDER TIME PARTICIPATING RESIDENTS. 
          SOUTH OF THE RIVER WILL HAVE A MUCH HARDER TIME PARTICIPATING AND IT REALLY IS FORCING PEOPLE TO RELY ON CARS. 
          THE VOTERS JUST APPROVED TRANSIT IMPROVEMENTS, AND YET THE CITY WANTS TO MOVE COMMISSION MEETINGS TO A LESS TRANSIT ACCESSIBLE LOCATION, BUT EMPHASIZES THAT THERE'S LOTS OF PARKING AVAILABLE. 
          IT JUST REALLY SAYS THAT AUSTIN IS NOT SERIOUS ABOUT EQUITY OR FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE USING TRANSIT. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO THE LAND USE COMMISSION SERVE THE PUBLIC AND OF COURSE THE COUNCIL, UM, IT'S A FORUM FOR COMMUNITY INPUT. 
          IT'S AN INDEPENDENT BODY. 
          UH, WE LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE UNPAID VOLUNTEERS. 
          AND WHAT WE DO IS PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER IS DESIGNED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CUSTOMER. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO FINALLY, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU RECOMMEND THE CHANGE OF THE BYLAWS FOR THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS SO THAT THE CITY CLERK WILL SCHEDULE LAND, USE COMMISSIONS TO MEET AT CITY HALL. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING BYLAWS, BUT THE CITY CODE 25 DASH ONE DASH 1 53, SORRY, ALLOWS FOR THESE, UM, LOCATIONS TO BE CHANGED. 
          UM, I DO THINK EVENTUALLY AS HIGHLAND MALL DEVELOPS AND TRANSIT AND IMPROVES, THIS SITE MIGHT BECOME A MORE, UM, DESIRABLE LOCATION. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW IT REALLY MAKES SENSE FOR THE SOVEREIGN BOARDS TO CONTINUE TO MEET AT CITY HALL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU WANT YOUR COMPUTER BACK? GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, JESSICA COHEN CHAIR, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          AND THIS MORNING, 9 24, YOU RECEIVED A MEMO FROM CITY STAFF ADDRESSING SOME OF OUR CONCERNS. 
          I'M GOING TO TAKE A FEW SECONDS TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS THOSE ITEM TO CONCERN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND WAYFINDING WANTED TO SHARE MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND THE EXPERIENCE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO FIND THE PDC OURSELVES AND WENT TO THE PDC, DROVE IN MY CAR JUST TO GO SEE THE SIDE EXTREME EXPERIENCE AND SEE IF IT WAS REALLY GOING TO BE AS MUCH PROBLEM AS EVERYONE THOUGHT IT WAS. 
          I USED GOOGLE MAPS, WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY COMMON FOR MOST FOLKS, GOOGLE OR APPLE MAPS. 
          AND I GOT LOST. 
          IT TOOK ME AN EXTRA 10 MINUTES JUST TO FIND THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING GARAGE, GET IN MY CAR, GET OUT AND GET TO THE FRONT DOOR. 
          IF YOU'RE RUNNING LAST MINUTE, TRYING TO GET SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR AN AGENDA ITEM, DEFINITELY NOT CONDUCIVE TO BEING ABLE TO DO IT EASILY. 
          THE CITY STUFF ADDED A LINK WITH A WAYFINDER MAP ON THE PDC WEBSITE AND IT SHOWS EXACTLY THE SAME THING THAT MY GOOGLE MAPS DID. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO ALLEVIATE 
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ANY OF THESE TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS ON ITEM FOUR, THE ABILITY OF COMMISSIONERS IN PUBLIC TO TRAVEL TO THE PDC AND PARTICIPATE IN MEETINGS. 
          I STILL HAVE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT CITY STAFF WANTS TO ADDRESS A LOT OF OUR SECURITY CONCERNS, BUT IF YOU'RE A BUS RIDER, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM THE CITY, THERE'S ONLY ONE STOP THAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP AT BEFORE YOU WALK TO THE PDC. 
          AND AS YOU WALK THERE, YOU ARE FROM A MEANING WHICH MIGHT END, YOU KNOW, LIKE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION, 11, 15, 11 30 AT NIGHT. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WALKING RIGHT NEXT TO AN ADULT NIGHT CLUB WHERE A SHOOTING TWO YEARS AGO. 
          BUT WE'LL JUST LET THAT SLIDE, I GUESS IT'S, IT'S NOT A SAFE ROUTE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A WOMAN WALKING ALONE, WHICH I WOULD BE, UM, ITEM FIVE, CONCERNED FOR THE TIMELINE. 
          I'M A BIT DISCONCERTED BY THE WORDING IN THE MEMO. 
          IT FEELS LIKE A THREAT TO US, ESSENTIALLY SAYING GUYS, GET WITH THE PROGRAM, GET ON BOARD ARE, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO SCHEDULE YOU FOR MEETINGS. 
          I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT DISCUSSING THIS MOVE. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR PUBLIC THING, WHETHER OR NOT THEY AGREE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT IDEA OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY FEEL THAT THESE IMPORTANT COMMISSIONS IN FORGE STAY AT CITY HALL, WHICH IS OUR SEAT OF POWER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS TODD SHAW. 
          I'M THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, MANY OF, MUCH OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY HAS BEEN ALREADY SAID, BUT, UH, I'LL PUT MY TAKE ON IT AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE ACTIVITIES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THUS FAR. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, UM, WE ALL, WE VOTED UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY TO, UH, CHANGE OUR RULES, SPECIFYING CITY HALL AS A LOCATION FOR OUR MEETINGS. 
          WE UPDATED OUR 2022 SCHEDULE INDICATING AS THIS BEING THE MEETING PLACE. 
          UH, THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY, UH, THERE IS A VOTE, UH, TO, UH, RECOMMEND CHANGES TO THE BYLAWS, UH, LIKE THE OTHER LAND COMMISSIONS HERE, UM, TO LOCATE OUR MEETINGS HERE AT CITY HALL. 
          THE NEXT SECTION WE TOOK A UNANIMOUS VOTE AGAIN, WAS TO INITIATE A CODE CHANGE, UH, TO SPECIFY A CITY HALL AS THE LOCATION FOR THE LAND USE COMMITTEES. 
          AND THE LAST CHANGE WAS, UM, IGNORED BY STAFF, BUT WE WENT AHEAD, PASSED A RESOLUTION, ASKING THE CITY CLERK TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SCHEDULING OUR MEETINGS HERE IN THIS ROOM FOR THE 2022 CALENDAR, BECAUSE WE WERE FEARFUL THAT IF WE DIDN'T GET IT ON THE CALENDAR, BY THE TIME THAT THIS, UH, THE BYLAW WERE HEARD BY ANF AND CITY COUNCIL, WE MIGHT LOSE OUR SPOTS HERE. 
          UM, THOSE THAT RESOLUTION WAS PRETTY MUCH IGNORED. 
          THE CITY CLERK REFUSED TO SCHEDULE OUR MEETINGS IN THIS LOCATION. 
          UM, SO WHY SHOULD WE STAY HERE? PLACE MATTERS. 
          UH, THIS IS CITY HALL. 
          IT WAS BUILT AS A PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS. 
          UH, MY FELLOW LAND COMMISSIONERS HERE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPENT HOURS IN THIS BUILDING. 
          I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN PASSIONATE DISCUSSIONS YOU HAVE ALL THE TIME. 
          WE DO ALSO, WE'VE HAD PROTESTS OUTSIDE. 
          WE'VE HAD PROTEST INSIDE. 
          IT'S A PLACE THE PUBLIC COMES TO MEET, TO DISCUSS THESE ITEMS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND, AND THEIR INDIVIDUAL LIVES, A PERMITTING CENTER, UH, AS WE HEARD IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THAT IT, IT REALLY DOES MATTER WHERE WE MEET AND HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. 
          AND I WOULD SAY, UH, FOR THAT MATTER, YOU KNOW, HEAR US OUT, WE ASK FOR YOUR VOTE OF APPROVAL. 
          UH, WE ASKED THAT ALSO THIS, I GUESS IT'S NEXT STEP IS TO GO TO COUNCIL, UM, TO REVIEW THIS, BUT PLEASE, UH, WHAT WE DO IS SIGNIFICANT AND THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK A FAILURE ON STAFF WAS REALLY ADEQUATE NOTIFICATION. 
          I TALKED TO SO MANY PEOPLE THERE. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE MOVING. 
          UM, THERE HAS NOT BEEN THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT NEEDED TO REALLY INFORM THE PUBLIC AND GET THEIR INPUT ON THIS MOVE. 
          UM, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WILL GET AT LEAST SOME MINIMAL PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT WHEN THE CODE CHANGE OCCURS. 
          SO WE'RE DOING OUR PART TO TRY TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND GET THEIR INPUT ON THIS CHANGE. 
          BUT THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU KEEP US HERE IN THIS, IN THIS BUILDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING DOWN AND JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, ALL OF US UP HERE AND EVERYONE ON CONSOLE REALLY APPRECIATES 
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YOUR SERVICE. 
          UM, YOU'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS ON SOME OF THE MOST ONEROUS BOARDS. 
          AND SO WE DON'T ALWAYS GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT OUR APPOINTEES. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TODAY. 
          UM, WANTING TO INVITE, UH, I THINK THE CLERK'S OFFICE WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO THE BYLAW CHANGE PROPOSAL. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          I'M STEPHANIE HALL WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE BYLAW CHANGES. 
          WE RECEIVED THREE BYLAW AMENDMENT PROPOSED BYLAW AMENDMENTS FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THEY ALL ARE EDITING THE SAME ARTICLE SEVEN D MEETINGS. 
          THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, UH, EDIT IS TO INCLUDE THE TIME THE DATE AND THE LOCATION OF AUSTIN CITY HALL, BOTH PLANNING AND COMMISSION AND THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE THE SAME WORDING. 
          IT IS TO EDIT THAT SAME ARTICLE TO READ EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY ACTION OF THE BOARD. 
          THE BOARD SHALL MEET THE FIRST AND THIRD, TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH AT AUSTIN CITY HALL. 
          THE INTENT THAT WE, THE BUSINESS REASON THAT WE RECEIVED WAS THAT THE INTENT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO INCLUDE THE LOCATION OF THE AUSTIN CITY HALL IN THE BYLAWS. 
          UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THESE PROPOSED BYLAW AMENDMENTS. 
          WE BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THE AMENDMENTS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY OTHER METHODS, THE SPECIFIC OF A LOCATION, AS WELL AS THE SPECIFIC DATE AND TIME IN THE CASE OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAS NOT HISTORICALLY BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BYLAWS. 
          OUR CONCERN ABOUT THE PROPOSED BYLAWS IS THE RESTRICTIVE NATURE OF THE INCLUSIONS, WHICH MAY RESULT IN PROBLEMS WITH FUTURE MEETINGS. 
          IF FOR SOME REASON, THE LOCATION OR DATE AND TIME WOULD BE NOT AVAILABLE. 
          WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT WITH SUCH CHANGES. 
          WE ANTICIPATE IF THESE ARE ACCEPTED, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ALSO WANTING TO DESIGNATE A SPECIFIC LOCATION FOR THEIR MEETINGS IN THE BYLAWS. 
          AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, DID THE CLERK TO SPEAK? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THE MAYOR WASN'T ABLE TO JOIN US. 
          HE SHARED SOME QUESTIONS WITH ME FOR STAFF, UM, THAT I THINK ARE PERTINENT QUESTIONS FOR US JUST TO HAVE ON THE TABLE. 
          UM, AS WE MOVE INTO THIS DISCUSSION, GOING TO KIND OF TRY AND ASK THEM VERY QUICKLY AND THEN, UM, WE'LL OPEN IT UP UNLESS OTHER FOLKS WANT TO GO FIRST. 
          DOES ANYONE WANNA ASK QUESTIONS FIRST? HAVE STAFF GO AHEAD. 
          UM, THANKS. 
          I WAS LOOKING OVER THE MEM MEMO THAT WE RECEIVED THIS MORNING, AND I'M WONDERING, DO WE HAVE ANY COST ESTIMATES, UM, FOR ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BEING CONTEMPLATED THAT STAFF TALKED ABOUT? LET ME SEE IF I CAN BE MORE SPECIFIC. 
          THE MEMO TALKS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FROM CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
          OH, UH, LET ME SEE. 
          I'M GONZALEZ. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          IT'S, THERE'S SO MANY PLACES TO LOOK THESE DAYS. 
          UM, THANKS VERY MUCH. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THESE FIGURES, NOW, IF YOU COULD GET THEM TO US, I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW, UH, WHETHER THERE IS AN ESTIMATE FOR THE COST OF THE STAFF MEMBER THAT'S DESCRIBED IN TODAY'S MEMO. 
          I WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WAS AN INTENT TO HIRE. 
          I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THEIR NAME WAS, AN EVENTS COORDINATOR FOR THE BUILDING, A FULL-TIME EVENTS COORDINATOR FOR THE PDC. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING I REMEMBER KNOWING BEFORE. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WASN'T IN THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION THAT WE GOT ABOUT THE, UM, PDC, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT. 
          SO IF WE COULD GET INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN, WHEN THAT BECAME PART OF THE PLAN AND WHAT THE ESTIMATED COST IS, I SEE THAT YOU'RE RESEARCHING THE COST FOR DIFFERENT CHAIRS. 
          UM, BUT CERTAIN CERTAIN OF THESE ELEMENTS, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WILL, WILL RESULT IN ADDITIONAL COSTS. 
          THE ADDITIONAL SECURITY AT THE TIME OF THE PLANNING AND LAND USE MEETINGS SOUNDS AS IF, AT LEAST FROM THE MEMO SOUNDS AS IF IT WAS PROBABLY OUTSIDE OF THE CONTEMPLATED COSTS OF OPERATIONS FOR THIS, UM, FACILITY. 
          AND THERE MAY BE OTHER, OTHER ELEMENTS IN HERE I'M ALSO INTERESTED TO KNOW, AND I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR OUR CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROCEDURE FOR SCHEDULING MEETINGS IS GOING TO CHANGE AND THAT THERE WILL BE, UM, THAT THE, THE AMOUNT OF STAFF SUPPORT OF CLERK, STAFF SUPPORT FOR COMMISSIONS MEETING OFFSITE IS ALSO CHANGING. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT CITY CLERK 
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AND CONGRATULATIONS. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REFER TO YOU AS CITY CLERK. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING YELLS FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          UM, YES, SO WE ARE BASED ON THE MEMORANDUM THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED BY THE DSD AND, UM, HP D UH, BACK IN OCTOBER, UM, THAT ALL LAND AND COMMUNITY LAND USE COMMISSIONS WOULD BE, UH, TRANSFERRED OR TRANSITIONING OVER TO THE PDC. 
          UM, THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAS DEFAULTED TO THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN. 
          SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE, UM, CODE SECTION TO ALLOW BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR, UH, TO CONTINUE TO, TO CONDUCT HYBRID MEETINGS. 
          SO WITH THAT, THAT TAKES EFFECT FEBRUARY 28TH. 
          SO OUR OFFICE, ALL OF THE CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO, UM, BE IMPLEMENTED BY MARCH 1ST, 2022, MEANING THAT, UM, EACH FACILITY, NOT JUST THE PDC, BUT OTHER FACILITIES LIKE AUSTIN ENERGY AT MILLER ARE GOING TO BE EQUIPPED TO CONDUCT, UM, HYBRID MEETINGS. 
          AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THOSE TWO, WE'VE GOT CITY HALL. 
          SO THE CITY, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WILL REMAIN THE POINT OF CONTACT FOR CITY REQUIRE A CONTACT FOR THE PDC BUILDING AND A CONTACT FOR THE AUSTIN MILLER BUILDING, WHERE LIAISONS, WHOEVER SCHEDULE WHENEVER THEY DECIDE, OR IF THE DECISION IS MADE FOR EACH, UM, BOARDING COMMISSION TO MEET AT THESE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS THAT STAFF LIAISON FOR THAT BOARDING COMMISSION WILL COORDINATE WITH THE BUILDING POINT OF CONTACT, BE IT THE CLERK'S OFFICE PDC, OR, UM, A EMAILER. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          SO ACM GONZALEZ, CAN YOU, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD ANSWERS TO ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE EVENT COORDINATOR, WHETHER THAT WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED AS A, AS A NECESSARY ADDITION TO THE PDC OPERATIONS COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          WE HAVE ANGELA MAINS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR DSD WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT QUESTION. 
          AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT BURGER SPOTS, WE CERTAINLY WILL PROVIDE THAT TO ANGELA THAT'S ON THE CALL AS WELL. 
          GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS ANGELA BEANS. 
          I'M THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. 
          WE WERE CONTEMPLATING HIRING AN EVENT COORDINATOR AS A TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE, NOT A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, AND THAT A BUDGET SALARY IS AROUND $23 PER HOUR. 
          UM, MS. MOONS, WHEN YOU SAY YOU WERE CONTEMPLATING IT AS A TEMPORARY MEASURE, WHEN WAS THAT IN THE, WHEN WERE, WHEN WERE YOU CONTEMPLATING IT AND WAS THAT AT THE TIME WHERE THE COUNCIL WAS ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT? AT WHAT POINT DID THAT BECOME A POSSIBILITY? I WOULD SAY IT BECAME A POSSIBILITY WHEN THE DEPARTMENT MOVED INTO THE PDC. 
          UH, WE MOVED IN, IN JUNE OF THIS LAST YEAR, UM, AND WE OPENED TO THE PUBLIC IN JULY AND WE SHORTLY AFTER THAT RECEIVED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, UH, INTEREST IN BOOKING THE EVENTS CENTER FROM OUR PUBLIC. 
          AND SO AS CURRENTLY, WHAT WE DO IS WE UTILIZE A PERMANENT BUSINESS PROCESS CONSULTANT THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, TO ASSIST WITH THAT COORDINATION AND COMMUNICATION WITH OUR CUSTOMERS. 
          BUT WE KNEW THAT AT THAT TIME, BUT IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO EXPAND JUST BASED ON THE, UH, EXCITEMENT THAT WE RECEIVED WHEN WE MOVED IN. 
          I SEE. 
          SO THERE IS A REGULAR STAFF MEMBER WHO HAS BEEN HANDLING THOSE BOOKINGS BECAUSE OF THE UNEXPECTED DEMAND FROM THE PUBLIC TO RENT THAT SPACE. 
          UM, UM, YOU HAD MOVED FORWARD WITH GETTING A TEMPORARY PERSON. 
          IS THAT PERSON ON STAFF OR NO, WE ARE RECRUITING FOR THAT CURRENTLY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT POSITION IS ALREADY POSTED. 
          AND SO WE AS WELL WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE USAGE OF THE, AND SO IT'S POSTED AS A TEMPORARY POSITION, OR IT'S POSTED NOW AS A REGULAR POSITION AS A TEMPORARY POSITION, IS IT PART-TIME OR FULL-TIME AT THIS POINT, WE'RE BRINGING SOMEONE IN FOR 30 HOURS PER WEEK. 
          AND I THINK YOU GAVE ME THE HOURLY RATE, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK 30 HOUR A WEEK POSITIONS ALSO CARRY BENEFITS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO IF YOU COULD FOLLOW UP PLEASE WITH, UM, WITH, UH, JUST SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, BOTH THE ESTIMATED COSTS FOR THAT POSITION, AS WELL AS, AS THE REVENUES TO DATE ON THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'D LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND 
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WHAT, UM, WHAT THAT INCREASED DEMAND LOOKS LIKE, AND IS IT HIGH ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN THAT POSITION? SO, UM, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU ALSO HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT BUILDING A SECURITY AND DARRYL ALEXANDER. 
          OUR BUILDING SECURITY OFFICER IS PRESENT AT THIS MEETING AS WELL. 
          NOT GREAT. 
          HI, GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS ALEXANDRA. 
          I'M THE BUILDING SERVICE OFFICER FOR BUILDING SERVICE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS WHAT CAME UP ABOUT SECURITY THAT SECURITY COST IS MINIMAL MA'AM CAUSE WHAT WE'LL DO IS RESTRUCTURE SOME HOURS, SO THAT EXTRA SECURITY CARD WILL BE AVAILABLE. 
          WE DO THIS WHEN, UH, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, AND, UH, MAYOR GO TO, UH, SOME OF THESE COMMITTEE, UM, UH, AND OR COMMISSIONS. 
          SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD BE MINIMUM IMPACT AS FAR AS COST GOES TO AT THIS POINT, I SAY, GOOD. 
          THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. 
          SO YOU'RE SHIFTING SECURITY PERSONNEL FROM OTHER TIMES DURING THE WEEK TO THESE TIMES FOR, FOR THESE COMMISSIONS HERE AT THE PDC NOW. 
          SO WHEN, WELL, I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO ASK YOU IN A PUBLIC MEETING WHEN THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE AS A RESULT, BUT, UM, OKAY. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR THE, THANKS FOR THE ESTIMATE OR THE THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY AN INCREASED COST. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM COUNCIL MEMBER, KELLY, OR COUNCIL MEMBER POOL. 
          DID YOU WANT TO ASK ANYTHING OR I HAVE SOME COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY, GO AHEAD. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER COUNTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD SPEAK MORE TO WHAT THE SCHEDULING CONFLICTS AT CITY HALL WHERE THAT CONFLICT WITH THE PRESENT MEETINGS I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          UM, I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          THEY ARE THE ONES WHO BOOK, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS FROM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST LIKE SOME MORE CLARITY ON THAT. 
          UM, SURE. 
          SO THE PROBLEM WE FACE IS THAT WE CAN'T SUPPORT ALL OF THE BOARD AND COMMISSION HYBRID MEETINGS HERE AT CITY HALL. 
          UM, SO ONCE THE AMENDMENTS ARE IN EFFECT, THEN, UM, THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE UTILIZING PDC AND OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO KEEP THESE THREE BOARDS AT CITY HALL, WE KNOW OTHER COMMISSIONERS OR COMMISSIONS WILL REQUEST THE SAME. 
          AND SO WE WILL NEED DIRECTION ON WHO WILL REMAIN AT CITY HALL AND WHO RELOCATE, WHO RELOCATES TO OTHER FACILITIES, UM, THAT ARE ALSO EQUIPPED TO HANDLE HYBRID MEETINGS. 
          SO ARE YOU JUST TO BE CLEAR, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE GORDON COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT TAKE THE SAME TIME AND PLACE AT CITY HALL? AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONFLICT IS. 
          THAT IS NOT THE CONFLICT. 
          NOW THAT THE ORDINANCE, UM, ALLOWING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO PROCEED WITH HYBRID MEETINGS WILL TAKE EFFECT. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE OVER 70 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND IF THEY ALL DECIDE TO PROCEED WITH HYBRID MEETINGS, CITY HALL CANNOT ACCOMMODATE ALL 70. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A CONFLICT, UM, AT THE MOMENT, UM, SINCE IT HAS NOT TAKEN EFFECT, WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE SEVERAL, UM, HERE AT CITY HALL, BUT THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL THAT'S THROUGH JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. 
          UM, SO BEGINNING MARCH, WE WILL, THERE WILL BE COME, WE WILL HAVE CONFLICTS AND WE NEED DIRECTION ON WHO TAKES PRECEDENTS IF WE GO THAT ROUTE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, I PERSONALLY DROVE THROUGH THE PDC AREA AT NIGHT AND I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS RELATED TO THE LIGHTING LACK OF SIDEWALKS AND THAT SORT OF THING THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TODAY. 
          SO MY HOPE IS THAT CITY STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO MITIGATE OR ADDRESS THOSE THINGS WITH REGARDS TO THE BUS ROUTE. 
          I KNOW THAT THE CMOS OFFICE IS HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH CAPITAL METRO AND THERE WILL BE SECURITY ON SITE. 
          UM, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ALL REMEMBER THAT THIS IS AN ALL VOLUNTEER BOARD. 
          THE COMMISSIONERS INPUT IS VALUABLE AND OUR TIME IS VALUABLE. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE IS THAT THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE MOVE STARTED AS FAR BACK AS 2017, WHICH WAS LONG BEFORE MY TIME ON COUNCIL. 
          AND BEFORE MANY OF THESE COMMISSIONERS WERE APPOINTED. 
          I'M NOT ENTIRELY CONVINCED THAT A MOVE OR EVEN A CHANGE IN THE BYLAWS WOULD BE THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO UNTIL THERE'S A BROADER DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CHANGE IN LOCATION. 
          UM, I AM CONCERNED THAT IF CITY HALL WERE TO BE TORN DOWN BY TORNADO, OR THERE WAS SOME OTHER NATURAL DISASTER, IT WAS INACCESSIBLE. 
          THE CHANGE IN BYLAWS WOULD BE TOO RESTRICTIVE. 
          I THINK THERE COULD BE A HAPPY COMPROMISE HERE. 
          UM, BUT THE LAST THING I WANT IS AN UNEQUITABLE. 
          SO, UM, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OR GONZALEZ, 
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COULD YOU MAYBE EXPLAIN THAT THE PLANS FOR LIKE THE PHASED APPROACH TO THIS OR, OR THAT SITUATION SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THAT MIGHT WORK? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AS A STAFF HAD HEAD AND SENT A MEMO OUT EARLY THIS MORNING, WE HAD WANTED TO GET THAT OUT EARLIER. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT MEMO, UM, FIRST THERE ARE A LOT OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO GO AHEAD AND UTILIZE THE PDC, UM, AS A NEW FACILITY AND BECAUSE OF THE AVAILABILITY OF NUMEROUS ROOMS, INCLUDING OF COURSE THE EVENT CENTER, UM, AND WITH REGARD TO FACING WHAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING RIGHT NOW IS AS, UH, WE SENT OUT A MEMO IN OCTOBER TO THE BOARD AND BOARD AND COMMISSION CHAIRS OF THE LAND USE RELATED COMMISSIONS, IDENTIFYING THAT THE MOVE, UH, THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE, UH, IN NEXT YEAR AND THAT WE WANTED TO MEET WITH THE CHAIRS AS WELL AS THE LIAISONS TO BEGIN TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          SO IT'S THERE, IT'S OUR, UM, GOAL TO TALK WITH THE LIAISONS AND THE CHAIRS ABOUT THE TIMING FOR EACH OF THOSE COMMISSION MOVES. 
          UM, SO THAT WAY WE CAN GET THEM SCHEDULED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WILL DO IS FOR THOSE COMMISSIONS THAT ARE READY TO GO AND READY TO MOVE, UM, WE WILL ACCOMMODATE THEM IMMEDIATELY. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE THREE COMMISSIONS HAVE CONCERNS AND WE TAKE THOSE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY, UM, WHICH IS WHY WE PROVIDED THE RESPONSES THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, AND, AND I HOPE THAT WE DO ADDRESS ALL THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN MARY SARAH SAID THERE ARE GOING TO BE LONGER TERM IN NATURE AS YOU POINTED OUT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND THAT IS REALLY BEYOND OUR CONTROL THAT IS WORKING WITH CAPITAL METRO. 
          UM, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY FOR IDENTIFYING THE SIDEWALKS AND WE'VE GOT OUR PROJECT MANAGER HANDY MORE HERE. 
          WHO'S ALSO TAKING NOTES. 
          SO THAT WAY, UM, HE CAN LOOK AT THAT SITUATION AND WORK FOR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND WORK WITH THE, UM, DEVELOPER FOR THAT NEW DEVELOPER, FOR THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT TO IDENTIFY, UH, THE SIDEWALK ISSUES THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED AS WELL. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S REALLY, IT IS WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THESE FOUR COMMISSIONS, UM, COLLABORATIVELY TO GET THEM SCHEDULED, TO MOVE OVER TO THE PDC AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          NOW, DEFER TO ANDY MORE TO SEE IF HE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING MORE TO THAT. 
          UH, THANK YOU, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND SOLACE AND, UM, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANDY MOORE WITH FINANCIAL SERVICES. 
          UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE AND, UM, THE PROGRESS OF THE, OF THE RE REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS THAT ACC IS UNDERTAKING. 
          UM, THERE ARE OTHER PATHWAYS THROUGH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT TO GET TO, UH, TO GET TO THE BUS, THE BUS STOPS AND THE RED LINE STOP RIGHT, GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE CAMPUS, A VERY, UH, SAFE AND, UM, UM, WITH, WITH WHITE SIDEWALKS AND ALL WELL LIT, IT JUST DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW UP ON, ON THE, UH, ON THE MAP. 
          SO THERE, THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AS THE SITE REDEVELOPS, THAT WILL MAKE IT MUCH MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND SAY FOR, FOR VISITORS TO THE BUILDING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT IT'S UNDERWAY. 
          IT'S GOING TO TAKE TAKE SOME TIME AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. 
          UH, BUT THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD, UH, MAKE IT COME MUCH MORE, UM, ENJOYABLE AND, UH, EASIER ACCESS THAN, UM, THEN IT APPEARS, I THINK ANDY, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE FACING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY HAD ASKED ABOUT JUSTINO THE FACING THAT WE'RE DOING, UH, WITH THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO MOVE OVER TO THE PDC. 
          UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING MORE THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD OTHER THAN WHAT I PROVIDED, UH, NOTHING IN ADDITION TO THE PHASING. 
          UM, YEAH, WE, WE DO HAVE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE, IN THE, THE EVENT CENTER FOR ATX N TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE ALL OF THE, THE, THE MEETINGS, UH, REMOTELY. 
          SO THOSE WILL BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. 
          THERE'LL BE OPERATIONAL, UM, IN THE NEW YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE MORE THING. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH COMMISSIONERS OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS THAT THEY HAVE FELT BLINDSIDED BY THIS CHANGE, WHICH IS THE LAST THING I WOULD'VE WANTED TO HAVE HAPPEN. 
          I WONDER IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR ME TO REQUEST DIRECTION, TO FOR UPDATES RELATED TO RESOLVING THE CONCERNS AND THE PHASED APPROACH BACK TO THIS BODY OR THIS COMMITTEE AS THEY'RE COMPLETED. 
          I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS WHO CAME TO SPEAK HERE TODAY AND THE TIME THAT THEY'VE GIVEN TO THE CITY FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, DULY NOTED. 
          AND, UM, IT'S OUR INTENT TO CONTINUE TO SEND UPDATES TO MARIN COUNCIL, AS WELL AS THE CHAIRS OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS REGULARLY, UM, AS WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE MEMO THIS MORNING. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME COST COMPONENTS SAID THAT WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH, UM, AND AS, 
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AS OTHER ISSUES ARE, UM, PRESENTED TO US OR CONCERNS, WE CERTAINLY WILL LOOK INTO THOSE AND PROVIDE UPDATES TO COUNCIL AND TO THE BOARD CHAIRS AS WELL, COUNSEL MEMORABLE. 
          THANKS. 
          AND THANKS TO THE STAFF AND TO OUR COMMISSIONERS FOR COMING OUT AND TALKING ABOUT THIS TODAY. 
          I REMEMBER WHEN, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY, THE, THE, UM, THE UC HAD TO RELOCATE WHEN WE LOST THAT BUILDING. 
          RODNEY, CAN YOU REMIND US HOW THAT, HOW THAT PLAYED OUT WHEN THE EDC MEETINGS WERE SHIFTED, THE LOCATION? UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THAT TOPIC. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER WE'D HAVE TO HAVE, UH, JACKIE SERGEANT, UH, I BEAT SPEAKING OUT OF THE TERM COMPLETELY BECAUSE I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THAT TOPIC, BUT THE POINT THOUGH IS THAT, THAT BOARD, BECAUSE THEY LOST THAT BUILDING, THEY HAD TO MOVE. 
          AND I IMAGINE THEY'RE NOW MEETING AT THE NEW AUSTIN ENERGY HEADQUARTERS UP IN MILLER. 
          IS THAT WHAT THEY EAT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THERE IS A, THERE'S A RED LINE STOP, UM, ON AIRPORT, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MAIN, I GUESS THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF ISLAND. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT IS FROM, UH, BY, UH, ON FOOT MAYBE. 
          UM, MR. MOORE CAN ANSWER IF YOU KNOW, THE DISTANCE, UH, IF YOU'RE ON THE TRAIN TO GET FROM THE ISLAND STATION TO THE PDC, IT'S A 12 MINUTE WALK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DOWNTOWN, IF YOU WERE WALKING FROM THE RAIL STOP AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, UM, I WOULD SAY IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR THAT INFORMATION. 
          I KNOW WE'VE GOT, CONTINUE TO HAVE GROWING PAINS IN THIS CITY IN MANY, MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          I AM, UH, AS I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS OVER THE WEEKEND, UM, I TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH THESE ISSUES, POTENTIALLY ALTERNATING THE LOCATION FOR THE MEETING. 
          SO PEOPLE COULD, UM, GET A SENSE OF WHAT, UH, IS INVOLVED IN, UH, TRAVEL TO THE PDC. 
          UM, I FIND FRANKLY GETTING DOWNTOWN PRETTY DIFFICULT COMING DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, AND FROM MY MANY YEARS ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, I ALWAYS HAD TO FACTOR IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET TO CITY HALL FOR THE MEETINGS THAT I WAS HAVING THERE. 
          UM, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US ALL KIND OF WORK TO FIND A COMPROMISE. 
          I, UH, AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT THE CONCERNS RAISED ON CHANGING BYLAWS TO CEMENT IN A LOCATION. 
          I DON'T THINK I'M NOT SURE IF THE CODE, IF OUR CHARTER SAYS CITY COUNCIL HAS TO MEET AT CITY HALL, POTENTIALLY IT DOES. 
          BUT THERE ARE INSTANCES LIKE WHEN CITY HALL WAS BEING BUILT AND MOVED THAT THE COUNCIL WAS OVER AT THE LCRA FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS, I THINK A COUPLE OF YEARS EVEN, AND HAD MEETINGS OVER AT THE LCRA ON LAKE AUSTIN BOULEVARD. 
          AND SO EVERYBODY HAD TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE CHANGES, UM, DURING THAT TIMEFRAME FOR THE GREATER GOOD AND THE LARGER BENEFITS THAT WE ALL ENJOYED, UH, AT THE END OF THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT AT THIS POINT. 
          I KNOW, UH, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND AUDIT AND FINANCE TAKING ANY PARTICULAR ACTION AT THIS POINT, EXCEPT TO MOVING THE ISSUE POTENTIALLY ONTO THE FULL DYESS FOR, UH, TO REVIEW AND HEAR FROM, FROM OUR CITIZENS ON THE MATTER, AND ALSO OUR STAFF CHAIR. 
          THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE I ENTERTAIN MOTIONS, I HAVE, UH, A COUPLE, UH, QUESTIONS MYSELF. 
          SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THERE WILL STILL BE COMMISSIONS MEETING AT CITY HALL. 
          UM, SO SOMEBODY WILL STAY HERE. 
          IT'S A QUESTION OF WHICH FORD'S MOVE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NO BOARDS AT CITY HALL THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THERE WILL BE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO MEET YOUR, OR WILL BEGIN TO MEET HERE, BUT WE WILL NEED DIRECTION ON WHO IS GOING TO GO WHERE, OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU HAVE, UM, ANY ANALYSIS OF THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS THAT ARE COMING BY BOARD OR COMMISSION THAT IN FACT DATA IS NOT CAPTURED? UM, WE, THE BOARDS BOARDING COMMISSION LIAISONS ONLY TRACK, UH, MEMBER ATTENDING ATTENDANCE, AND, UM, THOSE SPEAKERS WHO REGISTER 
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TO SPEAK THE DAY OF THE MEETING, THEY DON'T TRACK. 
          UM, SO WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO RUN ANYTHING ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS ON AVERAGE PER COMMISSION? UM, THAT INFORMATION IS MAINTAINED BY EACH LIAISON SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SEND THAT INFORMATION BY EMAIL TO US, IT'S NOT, UM, KEPT IN A SYSTEM OR ANY TYPE OF APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE COULD GET A ROUGH ESTIMATE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ALL HAVE, OUR COMMISSIONS ARE NOT EQUAL. 
          WE HAVE SOVEREIGN BOARDS, WE HAVE HIGHER LEVELS OF PARTICIPATION. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IF WE HAD THE INFORMATION ON THAT COULD FACTOR INTO A DECISION ABOUT WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY SHOULD BE LOCATED. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL IF YOU CAN SEND A MESSAGE TO THE LIAISONS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PERFECT EXACT SCIENCE, BUT I THINK A LIAISON CAN TELL YOU ON AVERAGE, WE HAVE X NUMBER OF FOLKS SIGNING UP TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONS. 
          AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A REALLY WIDE, UM, SPAN WITH THE THREE LAND USE COMMISSIONS AT THE TOP. 
          WELL ABOVE I SERVED ON THE PARKS BOARD AND, AND I DON'T REMEMBER EVER HAVING LIKE MORE THAN FIVE PEOPLE, UM, SHOW UP AT A MEETING. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S BOTH THE, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE COMMISSION AND WHAT'S HAPPENING FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE COMING TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION THAT WE WOULD WANT TO FACTOR INTO AN ANALYSIS. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL INFORMATION, UM, MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT, UM, THE MAYOR SHARE THAT I WANT TO JUST QUICKLY ASK THAT I THINK STAFF ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER. 
          UM, DOES THE HIGHLAND LOCATION HAVE LIMITED BUS ACCESS MR. MOORE? UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED EARLIER BY, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER CABASA IS ACCURATE. 
          THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE ARE FOUR CURRENT BUS ROUTES SERVING A HIGHLAND MALL. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE PROJECT CONNECT MAP OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, IN THE FUTURE, THERE WILL BE A, A BRT SERVICE THAT WILL BE GOING TO HIGHLAND MALL AS WELL. 
          AND AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT IS AN ACTIVE REDEVELOPMENT SITE. 
          THERE ARE MORE APARTMENT, UM, APARTMENT UNITS BEING CONSTRUCTIVE CONSTRUCTED, ACTUALLY, UH, RIGHT NOW. 
          SO AS, AS THE RIDERS POTENTIAL RIDERSHIP INCREASES CAP METRO, UM, DOES CHANGE THEIR SERVICE TO THE SITES. 
          AND, UM, WE WERE CERTAINLY, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, UH, THEIR PLANNING FOLKS TO, TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND PREVIOUSLY, UM, WHEN WE WERE MOVING THE EMPLOYEES OVER. 
          SO THERE WILL BE, UM, UH, IT IS HIGHLY LIKELY THAT THE, UH, THE SERVICE TO HAVE THEM ALL WILL, WILL INCREASE AND, UH, AS THE SITE REDEVELOPS, AND CERTAINLY WITH PROJECT CONNECT AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THIS COMING YEAR. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP ANYBODY FROM REVISITING ANYTHING AS CONDITIONS CHANGE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          UM, IS THERE AN EXTENDED WALK FROM THE TRANSIT STOPS TO THE PDC AND IS THERE A SUFFICIENT LIGHTING? UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE LIGHTED PATHWAYS THAT YOU CAN GET FROM THE BUS STOPS TO THE PDC, AS I WAS MENTIONING EARLY, EARLIER THROUGH THE, THE CAMPUS ITSELF, UH, ACC IS AS, UM, MAY I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO OUT AND CHECK OUT THE CAMPUS IT'S REALLY, UM, UH, REALLY AMAZING WHAT THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE. 
          AND THEY HAVE MADE SOME, UH, GREAT PEDESTRIAN PLAZAS AND, UM, AND, UH, WALKWAY THROUGH THE CAMPUS ITSELF THAT YOU CAN GO WELL, THAT WAS SIDEWALKS FROM, UH, THE PDC TO, UH, AIRPORT BOULEVARD AND THE TRANSIT STOPS THERE, OR THEY EXTENDED, UH, YOU KNOW, MENTIONING EARLIER. 
          IT'S ABOUT A 12 MINUTE WALK FROM THE PDC TO AIRPORT AND, UH, UM, THE BUS STOPS THERE AND THE RED LINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO COLLEAGUES, UM, I THINK AS WITH MANY PROBLEMS THAT ARE BEFORE US, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE TO REALLY FOCUS IN ON SORT OF WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. 
          UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A CHANGE IN THE BYLAWS IS THE APPROPRIATE MECHANISM TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGE THAT'S BEFORE US. 
          SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT A CHANGE TO THE BYLAWS. 
          I AM THOUGH WITH AUDIT AND FINANCE WITH FOUR OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES, ALL REPRESENTING NORTH OF THE CITY, MAKING A DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THAT WOULD DETERMINE THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT DOES MOST EFFECT THOSE WHO ARE SOUTH OF THE RIVER, 
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UM, OR, OR, UM, POTENTIALLY EAST IF GIVEN THE WAY THAT CONNECTIONS WORK TO, TO THE, TO THE PDC. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE. 
          I WANT TO ALSO VERY MUCH RECOGNIZE THAT OUR STAFF ARE TRYING TO SOLVE SOME PARTICULAR PROBLEMS AS WELL. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER COVID CONDITIONS. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN UP THE VIRTUAL OPTION TO MANY, UM, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHO, WHO WANT IT. 
          UM, WE WERE OVERCROWDED AT CITY HALL EVEN BEFORE COVID HIT AND NOT EVERY COMMISSION CAN MEET, UM, AT CITY HALL. 
          IT'S JUST A REALITY. 
          UM, WE DO NOT HAVE, UM, ALTERNATE, UM, SITES AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN CENTRAL AREA, UM, WHERE WE CAN SEND FOLKS. 
          UM, AND IF WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THE GOALS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK CAREFULLY AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME DECISIONS. 
          SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. 
          I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE FOLKS WHO HAVE BROUGHT, UM, THE CONCERNS TO OUR ATTENTION FROM, FROM THESE BOARDS WHO ARE ADMITTEDLY OFTEN THEY'RE MUCH LONGER AND LATER, UM, THAN OTHER BOARDS. 
          SO IF YOU COULD ALSO, WHEN YOU PROVIDE THAT CHART WITH THE NUMBERS, ALSO THE LENGTH OF THE MEETINGS ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY TEND TO END. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK I WOULD ALSO WANT TO ERR ON HAVING MORE ACCESS FOR FOLKS WHO ARE HAVING MEETINGS THAT ARE GOING, UM, LONGER AS A POTENTIAL, UM, SETUP. 
          I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PDC, UM, EVENT MEETING ROOM. 
          IT IS NOT THE CHAMBERS, BUT NOT EVERY, NOT EVERY COMMISSION CAN MEET IN THE CHAMBERS OR THEN THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT MEET AS IT IS. 
          WE KEEP BUMPING UP TO THINGS WITH ALL OF YOUR COMMISSIONS, WHERE WE HAVE TO, WE CAN'T EXTEND OUR MEETINGS AND OTHER THINGS. 
          SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES AT PLAY. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES HAS A PARTICULAR MOTION THAT, UM, WOULD ALLOW THIS TO GO TO THE FULL CONVERSE COUNCIL WITHOUT, UM, EXPRESSING A SUPPORT FOR THE BYLAW CHANGE PIECE, WHICH FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, I CANNOT SUPPORT HIS CHAIR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER TOBA. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER PULLS IDEA OF HAVING THIS GO TO THE FULL COUNCIL FOR CONVERSATION MAKES SENSE. 
          IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME SORT OF HOW WE REROUTE THE MOVE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I DIDN'T START OUT IN THIS POSITION, BUT AFTER HEARING LOTS OF, LOTS OF THE CONCERNS AND REALLY WORKING THROUGH IT, I, I NOW SHARE THEM AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING OUR LAND USE COMMISSIONS REMAIN HERE AS WE'VE DISCUSSED. 
          SOME COMMISSIONS NEED TO, I THINK THIS HELPS RESOLVE THE STAFFING, THE, THE, UM, SPACE CHALLENGES TO HAVE MANY OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MOVING TO DIFFERENT SITES, BUT HAVING, HAVING THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT I SUSPECT THE STATS ARE GOING TO SHOW DRAW THE MOST NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, REMAIN IN CITY HALL MAKES SENSE TO ME, AT LEAST IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, IT MADE THAT MAY CHANGE OVER TIME AS, AS PEOPLE BECOME MORE ACCUSTOMED TO GOING TO THE HIGHLAND SITE AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. 
          UM, AND THANKS TO, TO THE STAFF FOR, FOR YOUR, FOR WORKING TO RESOLVE THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU HEARD. 
          I THINK THAT'S REALLY RESPONSIVE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THAT ONGOING WORK, UM, THANKS TO OUR COMMISSIONERS FOR RAISING THESE CONCERNS. 
          BUT TO ME, I DO THINK THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THOSE COMMISSIONS THAT TEND TO HAVE THE BIGGEST AUDIENCES, THE LONGEST HOURS, UH, REMAIN HERE IN PART, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE CONCERNS THEY RAISED FOR OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS, BUT ALSO FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          I THINK PEOPLE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO COMING HERE OVER TIME. 
          UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK THEM TO SHIFT TO ANOTHER BUILDING, BUT HAVING THE PUBLIC COME TO THIS SPACE FOR THOSE, UH, ISSUES THAT, UM, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE IN MAKES, MAKES THE BEST SENSE TO ME. 
          SO WHAT IS, I MEAN, WHAT IS THE DEFAULT AND HOW, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF COUNCIL AND INTERVENING IN THAT DEFAULT BEYOND JUST THE BYLAWS? I MEAN, DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED AN ITEM FROM COUNCILS SAYING THAT THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS WILL REMAIN AT CITY HALL FOR THE NEXT YEAR? IS IT ENOUGH FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT COUNCIL AND PROVIDE THAT DIRECTION TO STAFF? WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PATH FORWARD, UM, BEYOND JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION? WHAT IS THE PATH FORWARD TO HAVING SOME LEVEL OF, UM, SENTIMENT EXPRESSED THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD CLARIFY THIS ISSUE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? I MEAN, I THINK AT THIS POINT IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, SO WE JUST NEED, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT DECISION IS OF COUNCIL AND HOW, AND IN WHAT MANNER WE'RE GOING TO DELIVER IT. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PULL, YOU HAD MENTIONED, AND IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE MAYBE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL. 
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WHAT IS, WHAT'S YOUR VIEW OF THE PATH? I THINK, UM, THE WHOLE DIOCESE SHOULD HEAR FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AND MAKE A, A JOINT, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE A DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST FROM AUDIT AND FINANCE WITH REGARD TO THE MEETING LOCATION. 
          UM, AND I THINK BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE, UH, TAKE IT UP, UM, NEXT YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR, MAYBE IN FEBRUARY, MAYBE NOT THE FIRST MEETING, UH, THAT'S AT THE END OF JANUARY, BUT IN FEBRUARY, UM, THAT THE MEETINGS, I THINK THEY'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON CITY CLERK. 
          DO WE HAVE THE MEETINGS FOR THE LAND USE SPORTS IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY CONTINUING TO BE SCHEDULED AT CITY HALL? IS THAT CORRECT? AND IT'S IN MARCH WHEN THE CHANGE WAS ANTICIPATING. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND, UM, ONE CONCERN THAT WE DO HAVE IS WE WOULD LIKE, UM, ANY TYPE OF DIRECTIONS SO THAT THE LAND USE COMMISSION AND STAFF CAN PREPARE THEIR NOTICES IN TIME. 
          SO WE NEED TO DETERMINE, UM, WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE, WHAT IS THOSE FIVE FRAME FOR THE NOTICES? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THE NOTICE? NOT POSITIVE, BUT I WANT TO SAY MAYBE SIX WEEKS, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS SIX WEEKS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IT'S 10 WEEKS, 10 DAYS. 
          WELL, BUT IT, IT DEFINITELY, WE, WE FELT THEM UP JUST NOT TO RE WE, WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION AT COUNCIL TO ALLOW THE HYBRID MEETINGS, WE ACTUALLY PUT THEM IN A BIND BECAUSE OF THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK IT IS, IT IS A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME THAN CONTEMPLATED, UM, FOR THE STAFF SIDE OF THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING THE ADDRESSES THAT NEED TO BE NOTIFIED AND THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND THINGS. 
          SO COULD I SUGGEST, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION OR WHETHER IT COUNCIL MEMBER PAUL WANTS TO MAKE IT, BUT IF I COULD SUGGEST THAT WE SCHEDULE THIS FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS, I THINK JANUARY 27TH. 
          AND IF THAT DOESN'T AFFORD THE STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO DO NOTIFICATIONS OF WHERE THOSE LAND USE COMMISSIONS ARE GOING TO ATTEND, IF THE STAFF COULD, COULD PUT IT ON OUR SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON MONDAY. 
          WELL, THAT WOULD BE REALLY A CHALLENGE. 
          IT'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION. 
          NO, I GUESS IT HAS TO BE ON THE 27TH AND WE'LL HAVE TO REJIGGER THINGS IF, UM, IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, IF THAT'S NOT HAVE ENOUGH NOTIFICATION TIME, I THINK WE COULD JUST PLAN RIGHT NOW TO SAY THAT THEY WOULDN'T MOVE IN MARCH. 
          AND THEN THAT, THAT NO MOVE WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE APRIL FOR THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT WAS, THAT YOU HAD SAID THAT THEY WOULD, THE PLAN WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR THEM TO MOVE IN MARCH. 
          AND I'M SAYING, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          THIS IS CAROLYN WEBSTER WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT WE'RE STRAYING PRETTY FAR FROM THE POSTED AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS IT'S ABOUT APPROVAL OF THE BYLAWS. 
          AND, UH, AND SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE STRAYING A LITTLE FAR FROM THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, ABSOLUTELY IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION TO MAYBE POST IT, UH, FOR A FUTURE MEETING. 
          SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE PASSED THIS ISSUE ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FULL DISCUSSION AND ACTION, AND TO MAKE NO RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT MOTION HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD BY COUNCIL MEMBER POOL, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY. 
          UM, I WOULD ADD DIRECTION TO STAFF TO ADDRESS ANY, UM, TIMING OF THE PROPOSED MOVE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS AS APPROPRIATE SO THAT COUNCIL CAN MAKE IT AN APPROPRIATE DECISION IN JANUARY OR THE FIRST WEEK IN FEBRUARY. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO BE NOT JUST THE ISSUE THAT'S BEFORE US TODAY, WHICH IS STRICTLY ABOUT BYLAWS, BUT THE ISSUE MORE GENERALLY ABOUT THE LOCATION OF LAND USE COMMISSION MEETINGS. 
          SO THAT ON THAT 27TH WERE POSTED TO DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON WHERE THE, WHERE THE MEETINGS MIGHT TAKE PLACE, NOT JUST BYLAWS CHANGES TO AFFECT THAT CHANGE. 
          AND I SEE THAT AS FRIENDLY AND THAT IS REALLY THE NUB OF THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF US. 
          UM, UM, AND THAT IS THE LOCATION FOR THE LAND USE COMMISSION MEETINGS. 
          UM, I SEE THE, THE BYLAWS PIECE AS, UM, AN EFFORT TO SHOW THE EMPHATIC REQUEST OR THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS THAT THEY BE ABLE TO REMAIN AT CITY HALL. 
          I DO NOT, AS, AS I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T SUPPORT CHANGING THE BYLAWS TO MAKE THAT, UH, KIND OF A FORMAL, UH, FOREVER CHANGE. 
          UH, BUT I 
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DO SEE AS FRIENDLY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TOBO SUGGESTION THAT WE PASS ALONG WITH NO RECOMMENDATION, THE ISSUE OF THE LOCATION OF THE MEETINGS FOR THE LAND USE CONDITIONS. 
          CAN WE PASS THAT ALONG WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION, NOT TO CHANGE THE BYLAWS TO ADDRESS IT? I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT OUR COLLEAGUES WILL GO OFF ON A TANGENT OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE SHOULD CHANGE THE BYLAWS, WHICH I THINK WE ALL AGREE. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE BYLAWS. 
          I THINK IT WAS A, A WAY OF GETTING OUR ATTENTION AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A REAL REQUEST. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE OTHER FOLKS SPINNING THEIR WHEELS. 
          SO MS. WEBSTER, CAN WE, UM, IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? YES, I THINK THAT'S FINE BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING ON A, ON DISCUSSING SOMETHING IN A, OKAY. 
          SO THE MOTION WOULD THEN BE WHAT MS. . 
          OKAY. 
          SO DOES SOMEONE WANT TO STATE WHAT THE MOTION IS THAT WE'D BE VOTING ON FOR CLARITY? I THINK WHAT IT IS IS WE ARE SENDING THIS QUESTION TO THE FULL COUNCIL FOR DELIBERATION AND ACTION WITH, UH, AS TO THE LOCATION FOR THE MEETINGS, THE ONGOING MEETINGS OF THE LAMP, UH, USE COMMISSIONS AND WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS BODY, NOT TO CHANGE THE BYLAWS, TO REFLECT A PERMANENT, UH, MEETING LOCATION AT CITY HALL FOR LAND USE EMISSIONS AND WITH DIRECTION TO ADJUST THE SCHEDULE, IF NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN NOTIFICATIONS, UM, DURING THE PERIOD WHEN WE ARE ADJUSTING WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          OKAY. 
          I REMEMBER TOBA AND I'D LIKE TO REQUEST, UM, I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM, UH, MARTHA SALINAS WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT COMES FROM, UM, LEE, UH, ANDREW RIVERA. 
          AND IT INCLUDES THE FIVE-YEAR REVIEW OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR THE ZONING AND PLANNING AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND SHOWS KIND OF THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF PUBLIC PARTICIPANTS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ABOUT 65 PER MEETING. 
          AND THE AVERAGE DURATION WAS FOUR HOURS AND ZONING AND PLATTING HAD AN AVERAGE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OF ABOUT 38 WITH AN AVERAGE DURATION OF TWO AND A HALF. 
          UM, AND THEN IT HAD, I THINK THE TOP FIVE MOST ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS AT PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT MEASURE WAS, WHAT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WENT INTO THAT MEASURE, BUT IT WAS ALLENDALE EAST MLK MONTOPOLIS, SOUTH CONGRESS, SOUTHEAST COMBINED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, CONTACT TEAMS. SO I THINK PROBABLY THAT WAS DONE IN PREPARATION FOR THIS CONVERSATION. 
          AND I THINK IT IS RELEVANT TO THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO ANSWER, UM, AT CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO IF THAT CAN BE PART OF THAT, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK THAT DOCUMENT IS NOW IN THE BACKUP AS WELL. 
          THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. 
          OH, IS THAT IN THE BACKUP FOR TODAY? I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED IT IN ANY CASE, IF THAT COULD CARRY OVER THEN TO THE BACKUP FOR CITY HALL, UH, FOR A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THAT INFORMATION ON ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? W WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO REQUEST INFORMATION PRE COVID OR BOTH PRE COVID AND CURRENT ATTENDANCE, BECAUSE THAT WILL FLUCTUATE MAYBE THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT I WAS SAYING MAYBE THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW, SO THAT WE COULD GET KIND OF A SENSE OF THE ARC. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I HADN'T TRIED, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR A BALLPARK, SO I THINK IT'D BE FINE TO ASK THEM PRE COVID AND DURING COVID. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT EVERY MEETING. 
          I THINK THE LIAISONS HAVE A SENSE OF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE GENERALLY THERE, THAT THEY, THAT THEY ANTICIPATE. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT A SENSE OF. 
          WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A MAJOR DATA EXERCISE HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION COMING, SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE? BOTH THAT CHAIR. 
          OH YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET'S TAKE A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS ON THE DIAS WITH MAYOR ADLER OFF. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER POOL. 
          [6. Identify items to be discussed at future meetings.]
AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT WE HAVE IS OUR FUTURE ITEMS. AND I WANT TO FLAG THAT IN JANUARY AT OUR MEETING, WE WILL HAVE THE SMB, OUR UPDATE AND UPDATE ON EMS BILLING IMPROVEMENTS AND A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION ON DISASTER PREPAREDNESS. 
          SO THIS WILL BUILD OFF OF THE AUDIT. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE ON THE COMMITTEE AND YOU HAVE, UM, SOME PARTICULAR AREAS YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON, IF YOU CAN LET MY OFFICE KNOW SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE STAFF THERE FOR THE DISASTER PREPAREDNESS CONVERSATION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          UM, IN FEBRUARY, WE WILL LOOK AT THE FIRE EMS STUDY, THE NON BILLING ASPECTS, UM, AND WE WILL ALSO LIKELY TALK ABOUT HOW THE BOND PROCESS WORKS. 
          UM, 
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MS. STOKES, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR MR. VINO FOR FUTURE ITEMS? OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING. 
          IT IS DECEMBER 15TH AND IT IS 1139. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE FOR STAYING A LITTLE BIT LATER. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THE PROCLAMATION, WE WILL GET STARTED IN JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
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