Jan 24, 2022 Special Resource Management

AGENDA ITEMS. UH, NUMBER ONE, APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE NUMBER OF, OR 16TH 2021 MEETING OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, PAUL.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

UH, LET'S MOVE INTO OUR

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINISTER WERE DISTRIBUTED? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.

[NEW BUSINESS – CONSENT]

UM, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT, UH, BLOCK OF ITEMS. UM, SINCE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW FOLKS, I THINK THAT HAVE THAT HAVEN'T SEEN THESE BEFORE, UM, BASICALLY ITEMS TWO THROUGH EIGHT.

THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL, UH, RCAS OR REQUESTS FOR COUNCIL ACTION.

UM, ESSENTIALLY THESE ITEMS ARE GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

UM, AND IN THIS CASE, ALL OF THE ITEMS ARE RELATED TO AUSTIN ENERGY'S, UH, SOLAR, UH, INCENTIVE PROGRAM IN THIS CASE, UH, THE, THE SO-CALLED, UH, CBI PROGRAM OR CAPACITY BASED INCENTIVE.

UM, GENERALLY THESE ITEMS ARE NON-CONTROVERSIAL.

UM, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT, THAT THESE ITEMS I'LL SYNERGY HAS A BUDGET, UH, FOR THESE INCENTIVES.

SO THIS IS NOT NEW MONEY.

THIS IS MONEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED.

UM, AS WELL AS ANY OF THE PROJECTS ON THIS LIST HAVE GONE THROUGH THE AUSTIN ENERGY APPLICATION AND REVIEW PROCESS.

AND AUSTIN ENERGY IS NOW TAKING THEM TO, UH, OUR COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN TO COUNCIL ULTIMATELY FOR APPROVAL.

NOW WE CAN VOTE ON ALL OF THEM AT ONCE UNDER A CONSENT AGENDA.

UM, ALTERNATELY, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS, WE CAN PULL THOSE OUT AND HANDLE THOSE INDIVIDUALLY.

UH, SO I WILL ASK NOW, DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS ON ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS IN TWO TO EIGHT? I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION OVERALL.

GO FOR IT.

WHAT A PERCENTAGE MATCH ESSENTIALLY IS AUSTIN ENERGY PUTTING IN COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL OUTLET.

AND SO WE DO HAVE SOME, ALL SYNERGY FOLKS THAT I THINK CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, TIM.

LET'S MAKE SURE, UH, YEAH, PROBABLY.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO TO THE PODIUM.

HELLO, COMMISSIONERS.

I'M TIM HARVEY.

I MANAGE THE CUSTOMER RENEWABLE ENERGY.

OH, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.

UH, CAN, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR TIM? YOU CAN.

UM, GROUP AND, UM, SO THESE RCAS ARE ALL FOR NON-PROFITS.

UM, AND SO FOR NONPROFITS, WE GO A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE FEDERAL TAX CREDITS.

UM, THESE, UM, TYPICALLY REPRESENT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50 AND 70% OF THE COST OF THE JOB.

UM, AND SO YOU SHOULD HAVE DETAILS AND THE RCAS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED THAT, UM, SHOW THE EXACT PERCENTAGE FOR EACH PROJECT.

UM, I THINK THERE IS SOME VARIABILITY THERE DUE TO, UH, VARYING COSTS, UM, UH, ESSENTIALLY COST PER WATT, UM, FOR THE PROJECTS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE MOSTLY WITHIN THAT RANGE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? YES.

COMMISSIONER WHITE.

UH, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT ALL THESE, UM, ONE THING THAT JUST CAME TO MY MIND, UH, I THINK TIM, YOU HAD MENTIONED IN THIS, UH, LOAFING,

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UH, INSTALLATION OF A LITTLE WHILE BACK, AND THEN I ASKED YOU ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE POSSIBILITY OF A BATTERY BACKUP ON THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WASN'T PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT I GUESS JUST KIND OF A GENERAL QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE SOLAR TEAM OR ANYBODY ELSE WITHIN AUSTIN ENERGY CONSIDERING, UH, STRATEGIES THAT MIGHT GO OUT SOME OF THESE, UH, PROJECT X THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, RECEIVING AN ALREADY RECEIVING AN INCENTIVE FOR SOLAR.

GREAT.

UH, PERHAPS ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE STRATEGICS ARE ADDING, UH, BATTERIES AS WELL.

SO WE'RE CURRENTLY, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, SOLAR ARE SORRY, UM, ESS OFFERINGS THAT OTHER UTILITIES ARE, UM, ENGAGING WITH.

AND, UM, WE ARE HOPING TO FORM A PROGRAM, UM, TO INCENTIVIZE BATTERIES AND ALSO INFLUENCE, UM, BATTERY OPERATION SO THAT, UM, THEY CAN DO THAT IN WAYS THAT BEHOOVE ALL RATE PAYERS.

THAT'S GREAT.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU PLAN TO ENGAGE MICHELLE ON? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I GUESS BEFORE I GOT A PROPOSAL COMING TO US FENWAY, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY SEE THAT IN THE FORM OF A PROPOSED PROGRAM, UM, FROM US AND THE TIMELINE ON THAT IS STILL RATHER UNCERTAIN, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT WOULD BE MOST LIKELY TO HAPPEN IN FY 23.

UM, AND THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT NOW IS, UM, LIKELY A PHASED APPROACH WHERE WE WOULD POTENTIALLY GIVE AN INCENTIVE FOR THE BATTERY, UM, AS IT'S COUPLED WITH SOLAR TYPICALLY.

UM, AND THAT WOULD GO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN ALIGNMENT AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CURRENT SOLAR, UM, AND SYDNEY PROGRAM.

AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A SUBSEQUENT, UM, PROGRAM AS PART OF PHASE TWO, WHICH WOULD, UM, ALLOW THE CUSTOMER TO PARTICIPATE IN A WAY SIMILAR TO DEMAND RESPONSE.

YOU ARE NOW OKAY.

CHECK, TEST.

I THINK WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL THE NEW TECHNICAL POSSIBILITIES OF THIS ROOM.

EVERYBODY, IF YOU COULD JUST HANG ON FOR JUST A SECOND.

UH, WE'RE HAVING SOME SOUND ISSUES, CHECK, TEST COMMISSIONER.

THAT WAS NOT .

MY MIC IS HEARING THE SOUND FROM THE SPEAKERS AND IT'S CAUSING A FEEDBACK LOOP CHECK, TEST, TEST CHECK.

THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR TIM TESTING, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, SO WE'RE BACK.

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WE MISSED PROBABLY THE LAST, MAYBE TWO SENTENCES OF YOURS.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THAT'S THE BATTERY INCENTIVES ARE FROM THE AMERICAN FEDERATION.

UM, YOU WANNA LIKE TAKE US TOO OFF TOPIC OF THESE CURRENCIES TODAY, BUT I HAVE EVERYTHING FOR THIS COMMISSION TO ENGAGE ON AND, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH STAFF ON KIND OF DEVELOPING PRIORITIES.

JUST THINKING ABOUT ONLY, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA LATER AT MILLER WORKING GROUPS, IF PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR THAT, THAT ARE DISTRIBUTED SOLAR AND BATTERY STORAGE.

GO FOR IT.

UM, SORRY, MY CAMERA.

I HAVE UH, SO I AM 2, 4, 5, AND SIT THERE.

THERE ARE CABLES AND ON THE TABLE, UM, UH, LINE ITEM, UH, WHERE IT SAYS TOTAL SYSTEM SIZE AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM TOTAL.

SO THOSE NUMBERS DO NOT MATCH, UH, THE ROUNDABOUT AROUND IT NOW.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ITEM TWO FULL SYSTEM SIZE 2, 6, 9, AND THEN 158,906.

UM, SO IF WE CAN COLLECT THAT, BUT I THINK TIM, YOU COULD PROBABLY CORRECT ME IF WHEN SYSTEM SIZE IS MEASURED IN A THAT'S IN WATTS, A DC OR KW DC, SO NOT DOLLARS AND IT'S ROUNDED TO THE NEAREST KW.

SO THAT'S WHY I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO 269 TIMES A DOLLAR, WELL, FOR THOUSANDS OF 59,000, RIGHT? AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE APPLICATION WAS FOR 268.9, SIX KILOWATTS, BUT WE ROUNDED IT ON THE, ON THE RCA TO 2 69.

SO THERE WAS AN UPBRINGING THIS TWO YEARS AGO.

UM, ONE OF THE DIRECTORS HAVE TO TAKE AN ITEM BACK TO THE HOUSEHOLD.

HE SAID IT WAS A 50 CENTS OFF THE LAWYERS THAT, THAT THE, UH, UH, THE CONTRACT AND THE RPA IS NOT MATCH.

SO I'M BRINGING THAT UP.

SO, UM, OKAY.

BUT WE WILL, UM, CHANGE OUR ROUNDING, UM, IN THE FUTURE SO THAT IT'S NOT ROUNDED, UH, OR WE ROUNDED TO THE NEAREST THOUSAND TO WHICH WOULD MAKE THIS DOWN TO THE PENNY.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR TIM? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE.

I WILL, AT THIS TIME, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON ITEMS TWO THROUGH EIGHT, A MOTION IS MADE BY COMMISSIONER WHITE, UH, ALL IN FAVOR.

WE'RE GOING TO DO VOTING, UH, VIA RAISE OF HANDS.

UH, SO ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND KEEP THEM UP WHILE I GET ACCOUNTS.

AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER BRENNAMAN, UH, YOU CAN PUT YOUR HANDS DOWN, COMMISSIONER BRENNAN, UH, NO CAMERA, UH, YOUR HAND IS RAISED.

UH, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

UH, AND COMMISSIONER IN GORY IS YOUR HAND RAISED? ALL RIGHT.

GOING TO, I'M GOING TO SWITCH UP ITEMS, UH, NINE AND 10, UH, TO GET TO THE CENTER POINT AND EVEN MORE PRESSING ITEM.

UH, SO BY MY COUNT, THE ITEMS TO THE RIGHT PASS UNANIMOUSLY, NATASHA, DO YOU HAVE THAT AS WELL? YES.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON.

UH, WE ARE

[10. Discussion and possible recommendation to Council on CenterPoint Energy Resources Corporation proposed Energy Efficiency Rate Tariff (Rate Schedule EE- Austin).]

UH, SINCE WE HAVE SOME CENTER POINT FOLKS ON,

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UM, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT BACK AROUND HERE, UH, AS YOU ALL MIGHT RECALL IN NOVEMBER, UH, CENTER POINTS AND, UH, THEIR REPRESENTATIVE SHEA RICHARDSON, UH, PRESENTED THEIR, UH, UH, UH, PROGRAM FOR A PILOT ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UH, PROGRAM FOR, UH, THEIR CUSTOMERS, UH, IN THE CITY'S TERRITORY.

UH, THEY, UH, PRESENTED THE PROGRAM AND, UH, TOOK COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.

AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS THAT THIS PROGRAM IS NOW, UH, GOING TO BE, UH, IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL FOR, UH, FOR THEIR ACTION.

AND, UH, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE PROGRAM, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL, UH, ET CETERA, UH, WHICH IS, UH, REALLY WHAT, WHAT THE, UH, THE GENESIS OF THIS ITEM IS ABOUT.

UM, SO THE WAY THIS IS GOING TO WORK, NATASHA, I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHARE ANY MORE.

CAN YOU RE PROMOTE ME TO A PRESENTER? ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO WORK THIS, THERE'S, THERE'S BASICALLY FOUR OPTIONS THAT WE AS A COMMISSION HAVE, UH, IN TERMS OF ACTION THAT WE CAN TAKE ON, UH, THIS, THE CENTERPOINT PROGRAM AS IT'S BEEN PROPOSED.

UM, ONE, WE CAN APPROVE IT AS IT IS TO, UH, WE CAN APPROVE IT WITH SOME SUGGESTED CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS.

UH, THREE, WE CAN RECOMMEND, UH, THAT IT IS NOT APPROVED OR FOUR.

WE CAN SIMPLY DO NOTHING.

UH, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, THE COUNCIL HAS THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY HERE.

UH, WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR, UH, IF WE CAN CHOOSE TO MAKE, TO NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

UM, SO THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO WORK THIS AGENDA ITEM, UH, I THINK THE FIRST, UH, W WE'RE GOING TO START WITH, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE APPROVE IT.

AND SO THIS IS KIND OF THE DRAFT RESOLUTION THAT WE CIRCULATED A FEW DAYS AGO, UM, THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE UP FIRST.

UH, IF ULTIMATELY YOU THINK THAT THE PROGRAM SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED, THEN, UH, WHEN WE GET TO VOTING ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, UH, YOU SHOULD VOTE NO ON THAT.

UH, BUT JUST FOR KIND OF ORDER SAKE, WE'RE GOING TO START START WITH THIS OPTION.

SO, UM, AT THIS TIME I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO OPEN DEBATE ON, UH, A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE CENTERPOINT PILOT PROGRAM.

UH, SO THAT MOTION, UH, IS, IS NOW ON THE TABLE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

SO, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE ON YOUR SCREEN? UH, THE, THE DRAFT RESOLUTION TEXT, UH, I HAVE INCLUDED SEVERAL, UH, POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS AND BRACKETS, UH, DOWN BELOW.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS FIRST DISCUSS, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, MODIFICATIONS OR CONDITIONS, UH, TO THE APPROVAL RESOLUTION.

WE WILL TAKE EACH OF THOSE IN TURN, UH, INCLUDING VOTING ON ANY, ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES.

UM, ONCE WE HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THE POTENTIAL CHANGES, UH, WE WILL VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION AS A WHOLE.

UM, SO I'LL STOP THERE.

DOES THAT PROCESS ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, UH, EXCELLENT.

UM, SO FIRST UP, UH, IS, UH, ONE OF MY SUGGESTED, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROGRAM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE AS, UH, BULLET NUMBER ONE.

UM, I'VE ALSO INCLUDED A COUPLE, UH, FROM, FROM PAUL AS EXEMPT FAULT, PAUL ROBBINS, AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY, UH, ON THE FLY THAT YOU WANT TO BRING UP TODAY, UH, WE, WE WILL TAKE THOSE IN TURN AS WELL.

UM, BUT FIRST UP, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GET US ROLLING HERE, UH, IS I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, MODIFY THE RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE, UH, BULLET ONE, UH, WHICH IS A COMMENT ON, UH, THE PILOT PROGRAM AS IT APPLIES TO, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION.

UM, SO I JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL MY, KIND OF THE BACKGROUND ON THIS, UM, THE PILOT PROGRAM, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN, AND AS THEY PRESENTED IN NOVEMBER, UH, UH, UH, ALLOWED REBATES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, AFTER, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT NIGHT, UH, CENTERPOINT TOOK THAT BACK AND, UH, HAVE SINCE MODIFIED IT TO, UH, NOT INCLUDE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE IT'S WORTH KUDOS THE CENTER POINT FOR ONE, STAYING THAT LATE OUT OF A VERY LONG AND LATE MEETING, BUT ALSO, UH, PAYING ATTENTION AND REALLY TAKING, UH, THE COMMENTS

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OF THE COMMISSION TO HEART.

NOW, HAVING SAID THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT TECHNICALLY NECESSARY TO INCLUDE A COMMENT THAT, UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN SHOULD, UH, NOT ALLOW REBATES FOR NATURAL GAS, A NEW CONSTRUCTION AS, UH, THAT ALREADY DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS PROGRAM AS THEY'VE PROPOSED IT, BUT I'VE, UH, INSERTED THIS LANGUAGE BECAUSE, UH, JUST LOOKING FORWARD, UH, THIS PILOT PROGRAM WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME A, UH, IT WILL POTENTIALLY EVENTUALLY BECOME A PERMANENT PROGRAM, AS WELL AS, UH, LOOKING AT OTHER, UH, GAS UTILITIES THAT, THAT, UH, ALLOW, UH, GAS REBATES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

CURRENTLY, UH, THOSE PROGRAMS WILL EVENTUALLY BE UP FOR A RENEWAL OR MODIFICATION.

UH, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSION BE, UH, ON THE RECORD, UH, UH, KIND OF, UH, SHOWING THAT, UH, WE SUPPORT THE CITY'S, UH, BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION GOALS AND, AND ESPECIALLY, UH, ONE WAY TO DECARBONIZE THE BUILDING SECTOR IS THROUGH THE RE REDUCED USE OF NATURAL GAS, UH, IN, IN THE SECTOR.

UM, SO HAVING SAID THAT LONG PREAMBLE, UM, I WILL NOW MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, AMEND, UH, THE RESOLUTION TO ADOPT, UH, THE FIRST BULLET ON, UH, A NEW NATURAL GAS, UH, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND NATURAL GAS REBATES.

UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, ANYONE THAT HAS COMMENTS EITHER IN FAVOR OR POST, UH, TO THAT ADDITION, UH, ONCE ALL THOSE COMMENTS ARE DONE, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT ADDITION.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT ALL MADE SENSE.

I FREE WARRANTY THAT I FOUND CONTRACTORS COMING, SO I NEED A HOT, ALL RIGHT, FAIR ENOUGH, MR. SUN.

I WOULD SECOND YOU'RE NOTING ONE BUYER TO THE LANGUAGE AND THE TYPO, I THINK IN THAT SECOND SENTENCE YES.

AND WE CAN ACTUALLY EDIT THIS IN REAL TIME.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

THAT'S A TECHNICAL CORRECTION.

ANY ANYBODY ELSE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? AND I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION, UM, AND, AND BED, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS SPECIFIC POINT, UM, IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU NOTED THAT CENTER POINT HAD ALREADY TAKEN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OUT OF THE IMPROVISE PROGRAM BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING A CHANGE TO THE PROGRAM WAS PROPOSED, BUT THIS IS REALLY JUST AN ADMISSION GOING ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT WE SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF REBATES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

IS THAT, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED TEXT ABOVE.

I PUT AN OBSERVATION AS WELL, UM, UH, SORT OF CENTER POINT HAD THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO US AT THE LAST TIME AND KIND OF, KIND OF BE JUST TO THE PUNCH THERE, BUT I'M REALLY THINKING MY, MY MAIN POINT IS, IS THINKING BEYOND JUST THIS PILOT.

UH, THE ONE THAT COMES TO MIND THAT WE'VE HAD THE MOST ISSUES WITH IS, IS THE TEXAS GAS PROGRAM, WHICH WAS ADOPTED PRIOR TO THE, THE, THE CITY'S CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN.

RIGHT.

BUT THAT EVENTUALLY WILL BE, WILL COME UP FOR RENEWAL.

AND I, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMMISSION TO BE ON THE RECORD, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVING, UH, THE CITY AND ITS, UH, THE UTILITIES THAT IT REGULATES, UH, IN, IN THAT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU, JOHN, THEN THAT IS HELPFUL.

UM, UH, AND THIS RESOLUTION IS SPECIFICALLY FOR CENTER POINTS, THE PILOT PROGRAM.

SO W WE EFFECTIVELY WROTE REALLY ONLY GOING ON THE RECORD FOR THIS PROGRAM.

UM, BUT BASICALLY SETTING PRECEDENT WITH THIS, WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION.

THAT WAS MY INTENTION.

NO, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS THEN.

UM, UM, NEVER, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM.

UH, YOU KNOW, INSULATION, THAT KIND OF THING IS A GOOD ONE.

ANYBODY ELSE? I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANKS.

I DO THINK THIS IS A GOOD FOR US TO HAVE ON THE RIGHT RECORD AND THE THINGS WE'RE TAKING, THE EDITS I, AND YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT BOTH OF MY, ABOUT, UH, IS THE TEAM,

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SO I DO SIMPLE.

AND I, SO FOR OTHER OTHER BRACKETED ITEMS OR ANY OTHER ONES, LET'S, LET'S TAKE THOSE AFTER WE'VE W W WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME.

UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON, UH, THIS SUGGESTION? ALL RIGHT.

UH, SEEING NONE, THEN WE DO NEED TO TAKE A VOTE.

UH, THIS ONE, UH, IS A, UH, MAJORITY RULES, SO WE DON'T NEED A QUORUM.

UM, SO SHOW OF HANDS TO, UH, ON THE, UH, MOTION TO INSERT, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE AS A WRITTEN ON, UH, THE RESOLUTION ALL IN FAVOR.

RAISE YOUR HANDS.

UH, SO THE NON CAMERA PEOPLE.

UH, I'M SORRY, THIS IS SHANE I'M VOTING IN FAVOR, BUT I ENDED UP POP OFF ON THAT.

SHOW OF HANDS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 SHANE'S OF FAVOR.

THAT'S SIX.

THAT'S THE MAJORITY.

SO THAT WILL BE ADOPTED.

SO AT THIS TIME, IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER EMOTIONS ON ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE ADDED, UH, YOU WERE WELCOME TO MAKE THEM, UH, I WILL, AGAIN, EMPHASIZE THAT, UH, I'VE INCLUDED A COUPLE OF OTHER EXAMPLES THAT, UH, THAT COULD BE ADDED, UH, BUT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN BRACKETS UM, I GUESS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER TWO, WELL, OR MAYBE JUST A MORE GENERAL QUESTION AND DID NOT SPEAK ANYTHING ABOUT INSULATION IN THE PROPOSAL.

UM, SO IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PROPOSAL CURRENTLY? I DO NOT BELIEVE SO, UH, EITHER, BUT WE DO HAVE A SHAY FROM CENTER POINT ON, SO WE CAN ASK THAT DIRECTLY, UH, NATASHA, ARE YOU ABLE TO, TO GIVE SHAY SPEAKING PRIVILEGES? GOOD AFTERNOON? YEP.

IT WAS LIKE, HOW WAS GOING TO SPEAK? YEAH, JUST TO JUST A QUESTION.

NOPE.

UH, OUR, OUR PLAN DOES NOT, DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A, UH, TWO INSTALLATION COMPONENT.

UM, DOMINICA IS THAT WE HAVE AT OUR CURRENT PLANS FOR, OR REVENUE CUSTOMERS, EARLY INCIDENTS EQUIPS OUR PLAN.

WE LOOK AT THINGS THAT WE SAW, UM, IMPACT AND , UM, SMALL BUDGETS, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, INSTALLATION, SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE PILOT YEARS.

I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE, UH, UH, UH, WEATHERIZATION LIKE THAT, WHETHER IT'S INSULATION OR, UH, I BELIEVE THE OTHER, UH, THINGS ROBINSON MENTIONED MOST DUCKS CEILING, UM, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY BE FROM THE TEACHER, BUT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE OUR BEST OPTION IN TERMS OF THE SMALL STARTUP PILOT IN THE FIRST YEAR AND DELIVER THESE PROGRAMS. AND ALSO, SO NO SHORT ANSWERS.

YOU'D BE, UM, IT'S, COST-EFFECTIVE IN TERMS OF THE SAME NEEDS OR VALUE FOR DOLLAR SPENT AS, UH, AS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU DID SOME ANALYSIS AND THE, THE ONE BIG COST EFFECTIVE OR WITH, WELL, WHAT'S YOUR EFFECT? IS THERE, YEAH, I THINK BETWEEN THAT, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT EXACTLY THE TOP SECOND, THIS WOULD BE BEFORE WE KIND OF HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH AND REWORK THAT PLAN.

UM, BUT IN TERMS OF, UH, ULTIMATELY YES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE ANSWER IS, IS YES FOR THAT RIGHT NOW THAT IT WOULD BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE, UM, IN TERMS OF OUR, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ACTUALLY DELIVER THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING INTO MORE HOME WEATHERIZATION, AGAIN, WALKED THROUGH THESE, UM, I THINK IT'D BE VERY, IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT AND IT'S KIND OF A QUICK START PLAN.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE, AS WE LEARN FROM IMPLEMENTATION, WHETHER IT'S A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE ADDING AS OUR POTENTIAL FOR CUSTOMER BASE GROWS.

WE'LL DO THAT IN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

UM, BUT I DON'T THINK

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SO, UH, WALT BROWN OPPOSED TO THOSE.

SO LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS, I JUST DON'T, UH, IT DIDN'T REALLY SEEM TO ALIGN VERY WELL WITH, WITH A FIRST YEAR IMPLEMENTATION WITH.

UM, WELL, I, I WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN STAYING IN ANY ANALYSIS THAT I'M NOT, UM, IT DOES SURPRISE ME GENERALLY INSTALLATION AND WHETHER IT CAN SHOW UP AS THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE, UH, STRATEGIES FOR REDUCING ENERGY USE.

UM, SO IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT PUTTING MONEY INTO EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT WOULD BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE.

UM, AND BECAUSE I'LL ALSO JUST FLAG THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THE WAY IT WORKS WITH TEXAS GAS, UM, IS THAT THEY, UM, KIND OF PARTNER WITH AUSTIN ENERGY AND EACH PROVIDE A PIECE OF, YOU KNOW, EACH PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THERE'S A WAY TO DO THE SAME AND, AND WHEN I SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE ON A WHOLE LOT OF WORK, IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAGGING ON THE PROGRAM, POTENTIAL COST SHARING FROM A WRETCHED VERSUS THE GAS SIDE OF THINGS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

SO I DO, I DO CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE THIS SUGGESTION AND WE CAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL TAKE BACK AND LOOK AT, UH, HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT EVEN THE SECOND POINT AROUND THIS WAS KIND OF PARTNERSHIPS WITH OTHER UTILITIES.

UH, I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD SUGGESTIONS AGAIN, JUST, UM, SO, SO IT CAN BE, UM, INSULATION, IS IT, UH, I THINK IT COULD BE A CHALLENGE TO TRY TO DO THAT, UH, NICOLETTE PURE AS EARLY AS 2020.

UTTERLY, FAIRLY HEALTHY INCENTIVES.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR SHEA OR COMMENTS ON, UH, THE RESOLUTION, UH, ADDED QUESTIONS? UM, SO IS TO ELIMINATE THAT, UH, THIS IS THAT NEW MOMS ALSO, BECAUSE EARLIER IN THAT ITEM ONE, SO WELL-KNOWN, UM, AND THEN, UH, FELICIA, I WAS WONDERING, OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF REPORT AFTER THE PILOT PROGRAM.

UH, WOULD THERE BE SOMETHING TO KIND OF, UH, IT'S MY WHILE IF PETE ALUM IN A, JUST WE MADE CERTAIN THINGS HAPPENS, OR IF NOT, WE WOULD HELP.

UH, I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT ELIMINATING.

WE MADE FOR THAT FACT, UH, THE LONELINESS, UM, PROMPTS.

SO I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH ANYTHING BE ELIMINATING, THE RESINS REBATES FOR CENTRAL PHARMACY IS A WATER HEATER.

AND I THINK THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, I, I THINK THAT'S, THOSE REBATES ARE VERY FUNDAMENTAL TO HOW OUR, OUR, OUR PROGRAM AND PILOT SHIRTS.

SO, UM, UH, CERTAINLY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, UM, WE THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF KIND OF MOVING FORWARD THIS PILOT, AND THAT'S REALLY A COMPLETE CHANGE IN OVERHAUL KALTURA PLAN TO, TO JUST ABSOLUTELY, UH, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, REBATES FOR DIFFERENCES AND MORE HUGHES, UH, IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON THE, UH, LOW INCOME COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU JUST BASED ON HEARING THAT RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS I CAN IMPACT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SITUATION TO WHERE THAT'S, UM, WHERE YOU HAVE A CUSTOMER WHO POTENTIALLY HAS NEW EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WANT TO DELIVER TO APPOINT A REPLACEMENT, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEY, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THAT WATER HEATER OR GET A NEW TRUCK.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR, OUR REBATES ARE, UM, WELL BEING COST-EFFECTIVE ARE

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AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, TAKING AWAY FROM, UH, IS, IS, IS NEGATIVE, NOT JUST FOR LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS, GOOD FOR OUR CUSTOMERS WHO ARE LOOKING TO BUILD, WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO GIVE THOSE CUSTOMERS OPTIONS, TO BE AS FIT, AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.

AND THAT'S REALLY HOW THIS IS DESIGNED FOR.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE, UH, BUT IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE UP THAT, THAT INCREMENTAL COST AND GOING THROUGH AN HIGHER EFFICIENCY MODEL.

UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, SO I GUESS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION IS I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY TAKING AWAY SOME TOOLS THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR ALL OF OUR ROADS WITH CUSTOMERS, UM, LOW-INCOME AND OTHERWISE TO TRY TO PROMOTE THE HIGHEST EFFICIENCY POSSIBLE AND ULTIMATELY IN THE LONG RUN, YOU KNOW, STAGE, UH, SAVE THEIR MONEY ON GAS AND SAM THEN TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION, I, UH, I WILL APOLOGIZE FOR NOT EXPLAINING THIS VERY WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING.

SO ITEM TWO AND THREE.

SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF MODIFICATIONS THAT WE COULD MAKE TO THIS RESOLUTION, BUT, UH, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, SOMEONE WOULD NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, INSERT, UH, EITHER ONE OF, EITHER OF THESE OR A NEW ONE.

UM, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, UH, ONLY ONE WOULD BE INCLUDED, UH, NOT TWO OR THREE OR ANY OTHER OTHERS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS WE'RE AT NOW.

IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO INSERT ANOTHER CONDITION OR ONE OF THESE I'LL REMOVE THE BRACKETS, IF IT PASSES VERY, VERY CONFUSING.

AND NOW I'LL OWN THAT CHAIRMAN, THIS IS MANY, AND I'LL MOVE TO ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO ADOPT THIS SUGGESTION FROM PAUL ROBBINS IN, UH, ELIMINATING REBATES FOR CENTRAL FURNACES AND WATER HEATERS, SO THAT MOTION'S ON THE TABLE.

WE'LL OPEN THAT FOR DEBATE.

MANY.

YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO TAKE THE FIRST SHOT HERE? I THINK, UH, PAUL MAKES A COMPELLING CASE, UM, THAT, UH, NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS COST-EFFECTIVE.

UM, AND WE'VE HEARD THE DATA READ THE DATA, UM, AND I THINK IT'S THE DATA THAT I'VE EXAMINED MAKES ME THINK THAT IT FOLLOWS THROUGH JUSTIN.

THE ESTIMATES FOR SAVINGS ARE BASED ON EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH USAGE WITH THE POTENTIAL EXCEPTION OF ABOUT A WEEK LAST YEAR AND THE CASH SYSTEM, UH, CONTINUED TO FUNCTION THANKFULLY, BUT NOT FOR EVERYBODY, IF THE ELECTRIC SYSTEM FAILED WELL.

UM, THOSE OF US THAT WERE LUCKY TO HAVE VERY HIGH GAS BILLS, EVERYBODY ELSE AT WORK.

UM, SO I THINK I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS BENEFIT IS AND, UH, WE BE BETTER OFF ELIMINATING, ELIMINATING RESIDENTIAL REBATES FOR CENTRAL VERSUS ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER HAS ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.

UM, THIS IS PAVER.

I WOULD SECOND THE MOTION, UM, UH, THOUGH SUGGEST THAT WE DO RECOMMEND, UM, ADDING IN, UM, INSULATION AS A PROGRAM OFFERING, UH, BECAUSE I DO THINK THIS OBVIOUSLY TAKES OUT A BIG CHUNK OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

UM, I THINK FOR THE REASON, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE COST ISSUES, I DO THINK THAT THIS ONE IS, IS ALSO, UM, TO AN EXTENT, NOT EXACTLY ALIGNED WITH THE CLIMATE PLAN GOALS.

IT'S NOT QUITE AS CLEARLY COMPOSITIONAL TO THOSE GOALS, BUT, UM, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T AID IN THE TRANSITION TO BILLY CARBON-FREE, UM, YOU KNOW, OPERATION OF THE HOME.

UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S BENEFICIAL THERE AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER HEALTH BENEFITS, UH, ALSO TO ACTUALLY SWITCHING TO ELECTRIC CRE FOR SOME OF THESE, UH, UM, PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.

SO I DO, I DO SUPPORT NUMBER TWO.

I JUST LIKE TO ADD PROGRAM OFFERING FOR,

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FOR INSTALLATION AND MAYBE IT'S JUST LIKE INSTALLATION AND WEATHERIZATION.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT SOUNDS LIKE NONE OF THAT IS CURRENTLY INCLUDED.

JACQUELINE MAY, MAY COME IN, PLEASE.

UM, UM, I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF INCLUDING INSTALLATION AND WEATHERIZATION, UM, AS PART OF THE PILOT PROGRAM.

UM, I THINK THERE ARE REALLY COMPELLING ARGUMENTS TO DO SO.

UM, I, I HAVE HEARD IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF SPECIFICALLY, WHICH, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF SPECIFIC, UH, EQUIPMENT READINGS VERSUS THE ENTIRE PORTFOLIO.

AND I KNOW WE HAD A GOOD, HEALTHY DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT THAT IN OUR DECEMBER MEETING.

UM, I'M A BIT CONCERNED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS PRECEDENT TO BRING SHADES OR WERE LIKE THE TICK THEM BACK ON.

I HEARD YOUR COMMENT A MOMENT AGO SAYING THAT THE, UM, CENTRAL FURNACES AND WATER HEATER REBATES WERE KIND OF CORE TO THE PROGRAM, TO THE PILOT PROGRAM.

UM, AND I I'M, I'M, UH, IN SUPPORT WITH MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS OF, UH, ADDING, UM, INSTALLATION AND WEATHERIZATION BACK IN IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IF YOU SAY, I FORGET THE WORDS THAT YOU USE EXACTLY SHAY, BUT IF YOU SAID THAT IT KIND OF GOT US THE PROGRAM, IF WE TAKE THESE RAPISTS REBATES AWAY, CAN YOU MAYBE EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU MEAN? AND IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR AN EFFECTIVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAM, UM, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD KIND OF WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE EFFECTS? SURE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT OR ARE APPROPRIATE, THIS IS A VERY SMALL MODEL, RIGHT? SO IT'S LOOKING AT ABOUT A $20,000 BUDGET.

THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND POLITICS, AND HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, IS THOSE EQUIPMENT REBATE.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE, THE OFFERING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO THAT PROGRAM, UM, ESSENTIALLY IT'S A FORCE THEY'RE FROM INSIDE THEIR FIRMS, UH, REBATE LEVELS, ROTATE WITH, YOU KNOW, AS A TOOL FOR EVEN THOSE CUSTOMERS IS A SMART THERMOSTAT.

UM, SO IT'S THAT, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAM AND TOLD THEM TO THIS EFFICIENCY EQUIPMENT REBATES, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S ELIMINATING 80% OF WHAT WE HAVE, UM, FOR THAT PROGRAM.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE COST, THE SECOND IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, NO, WE, WE, WE HAVE THAT ANALYSIS, I ASSUME WHEN YOU'VE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, UM, PART OF CONCERNS, I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE COST EFFECTIVENESS, UH, LOOKING AT OUR, OUR PLAN THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AND THEN DETAILED THE CALCULATIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER HEARING CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS AROUND THAT, BUT I JUST DID WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT, UM, WE DON'T FEEL THAT ALL OF THESE MEASURES, UH, EQUIPMENT MEASURES, UH, ARE NOT COST-EFFECTIVE.

WE DO CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT TOO, AS THE PRO PROGRAM OR PORTFOLIO LEVEL BEING COST-EFFECTIVE AND MAYBE INDIVIDUAL MEASURES AREN'T, BUT WE REALLY DID TRY TO, UM, SET REBATE LEVELS AND, AND LOOK FOR, UH, HIGHER EFFICIENCIES THAT, YOU KNOW, ITEMS FOR THOSE SERVICES, WATER HEATERS THAT WOULD BE COST EFFECTIVE.

SO, UH, IF ANYBODY HAS NOT SEEN A DETAIL ON THAT, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, A WRITTEN PLAN, OR I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH ANYONE ON THE CALL, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT, BUT, UM, BACK TO YOUR POINT COMMISSIONER, IT'S, YOU'RE REALLY ELIMINATING ALMOST THAT ENTIRE PROGRAM.

UM, AND WE DO THINK IN TERMS OF A QUICK OF REBATES AND THINGS THAT WE CAN DO FOR THOSE OF YOUR CUSTOMER, UH, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE, UH, THE BEST OFFERINGS.

I THINK THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN DO.

I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO GO BACK AND WE'LL GET TO EVALUATE MAYBE HOW WE CAN IMPLEMENT MORE WEATHERIZATION INSULATION, BUT, UH, AGAIN, THIS REALLY IS FUNDAMENTAL TO, UH, THAT FIRST EQUIPMENT REBATE PROGRAM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

SO THE QUESTION

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THEN SOMEBODY, ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS RAISED, UM, WAS IT WOULD BE BETTER OFF JUST TAKING THE MONEY AND PUTTING IT INTO THE AUSTIN ENERGY PROGRAM AND WANTING TO THROW THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE AND IT'S GOING TO GET THE COMMISSIONERS THING MAYBE, ARE YOU, DO YOU SEE THE TRANSFER OR, UM, OR JUST A COST SHARE FOR CERTAIN PROGRAMS LIKE TEXAS GAS HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT IT THROUGH, BUT SO I'M PASSING IT TO YOU TO I WOULD GUESS, AND TRANSFER BONDS, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME VALUE THERE.

I THINK YOU'RE MORE LIMITED THAT SO THEY COULD HAVE RODMAN, WELL, I GUESS I JUST GOTTA UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO REALLY NOT WANTING TO TRANSFER FUN HUMAN OTHER.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE, THE KIND OF COST SHARING, UM, PROGRAMS WHERE THERE'S A KIND OF A MUTUAL MUTUAL BENEFIT.

UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT COME TO MIND ARE THE, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL, UM, WEATHERIZATION, DUCT CEILING, UH, ATTIC INSULATION, UM, THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT JUST REDUCES ENERGY USE, UH, BOTH FOR HEATING AND COOLING, REGARDLESS OF THE FUEL TYPE, UM, LEND THEMSELVES WELL TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, A COST THE COST SHARING.

UM, SO IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THE EASIER PATH.

EXPLORATION OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND I MEAN, I THINK PART OF THAT IDEA IS KIND OF EMBODIED IN THIS, UH, ENCOURAGE THE, THE, THE ITEM THAT ENCOURAGES THEM TO WORK WITH, UH, LOCAL UTILITIES TO, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CASE WATER UTILITIES, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE EXPANDED AS WELL.

I THINK IT, THIS SEEMS LIKE, I MEAN, TO ME, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE EXPLORED IN THE FUTURE.

UH, MAYBE IT'S NOT QUITE THE TIME FOR SUCH A SMALL SCALE PILOT.

I BELIEVE IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE FERRETS THAT THERE'S A PRECEDENT WHERE THE COOPERATIVE, UH, ARRANGEMENT ALREADY WITH AUSTIN ENERGY, TEXAS GAS SERVICE CROCODILE ON THESE PREFERENCES IS THAT, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DETAILS, BUT I KNOW, UM, WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOME, UH, WE PUT IN AN INSTALLATION AMONGST OTHER THINGS.

UM, AND I'M PRETTY SURE WE GOT A REBATE FROM AUSTIN ENERGY AND FROM THE GAS I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS MUCH IN THE WAY OF PAPERWORK TO DO WITH TEXAS HAS THAT RECALL.

AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I WISH, UM, I WISH WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY ON IT, BUT I MEAN, RECOLLECTION IS THAT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE ONCE YOU APPLIED AND GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, APPROVED THROUGH AUSTIN ENERGY, THEN YOU WERE ALSO APPROVED THROUGH TEXAS GAS.

UM, SO IN, IN A WAY MIGHT BE A PATH TO REDUCE THE, YOU KNOW, THE BURDEN OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WERE LIKE TWO INSPECTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO LIKE REALLY CREATE A LITTLE PROGRAM WHERE THE WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE RIGHT WORK WAS DONE UNTIL YOU JUST SAY THAT, OKAY, THESE THINGS WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO AN ADDER.

UM, BASICALLY, AND THAT'S, I THINK HOW TEXAS AND TEXAS GAS PROGRAM WORKS, THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.

IT, THANKS, KAY.

BUT I, I WONDER, I APPRECIATE THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION IS REALLY FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM ITSELF.

UM, AND I ALSO APPRECIATE JAY'S COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS WILL TAKE TIME TO FIGURE OUT, AND THIS IS KIND OF INTENTIONALLY BY A VERY SMALL SCALE PILOT AT $20,000, BUT ARE, IS THIS COMMISSION OPEN TO, IN THIS RECOMMENDATION, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING, I GUESS, ENCOURAGING

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SO EVEN IF YOU KNOW THAT FULL PROGRAM, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE CO-OP THE COORDINATION WITH THE OTHER UTILITIES DIDN'T MAKE IT IN THE PILOT, WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE ON THE RECORD AS ENCOURAGING EXPLORATION OF, OF JOINT PROGRAMS FOR WEATHERIZATION AND INSTALLATION OF THE FUTURE.

UM, I, I GUESS I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS AN OPTION FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER HARMON.

I AGREE WITH THAT TAKE, I, I THINK AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THE PROGRAM'S GOING TO COUNCIL IN A FAIRLY, FAIRLY SOON, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO INCORPORATE COMPLEX MODIFICATIONS IN THAT TIMEFRAME.

WHEREAS, I MEAN, CENTERPOINT HAS ALREADY DEMONSTRATED A WILLINGNESS TO TAKE FEEDBACK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, RUN WITH IT.

AND I THINK, YEAH, HAVING SOME TYPE OF, UM, ENCOURAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING THE UTILITY TO LOOK AT A STATEMENT COULD BE, IT COULD BE EFFECTIVE, UH, FOR ANY, I THINK YOU'VE GOT UNIT AFTER YOU SAID YOU HAD A 4 0 4 O'CLOCK IF YOU NEED ME TO JUMP BACK ON.

WE'LL DO SO GO, GO AHEAD.

UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE, WHAT THE, UH, UH, DURATION IS FOR THIS PILOT.

UH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL, IT SAYS 22 PROPOSAL.

SO, UM, IS, IS A TIMEFRAME IS, UH, THIS YEAR OR FOR THE PILOT TO BE COMPLETED? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

MISSIONARY HAS A 20, 22, UM, PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THIS PILOT, WHICH AGAIN, PUT A COUNCIL MEETING ON THURSDAY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE THERE AS WELL.

AND, UH, SO WE, WE DO HAVE IN OUR PLANNING AND ACTUALLY, UM, LOOKING AT AN 11 MONTH PERIOD RELIEF WHERE HE WE'RE IN THIS TO BE APPROVED, UH, FROM FEBRUARY THROUGH THE END OF 2022, FEBRUARY, DECEMBER.

UM, ONE OF THEM IS PILOT SO DANA, IF WE WERE TO GO WITH KIND OF YOUR SUGGESTION, UH, AS MORE OF LIKE AN ENCOURAGING STATEMENT, I MEAN, IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE ENCOURAGED CENTER POINT, SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND THAT'S RIGHT.

WHILE I, I AM IN FAVOR OF DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO GET, YOU KNOW, IN FAVOR OF THE EMISSIONS REDUCTION TARGETS.

I'M, UM, I GUESS BRIEFLY, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMENTS ABOUT STRIPPING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ALL OF THE, REALLY THE VALUE OF THE PROGRAM, UM, BY ELIMINATING THESE TWO SPECIFIC REBATES AND REALLY WHEN HE LEFT THE SMART THERMOSTATS, WELL, THERMOSTATS ARE VALUABLE.

UM, AND I MEAN, I DO SEE KIND OF TWO AND THREE IN MY MIND, THINK A LITTLE BIT TOGETHER.

I APPRECIATE THAT WE NEED TO, UH, W WE SHOULD PROBABLY VOTE ON THEM AND DISCUSS THEM SEPARATELY.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TO YOUR POINT, THAT CENTER POINT HAS, YOU KNOW, BEEN CLEARLY TAKING FEEDBACK FROM THERE, THIS COMMISSION, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT WE'D LIKE TO, TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CENTER POINT AND SAY, HOW CAN WE GET THERE KNOWING THAT'S WHERE HE WANTS TO GO? UM, I'M, I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF A IT ENCOURAGEMENT, UH, THERE FOR NUMBER TWO PERSONALLY.

I ALSO APPRECIATE IT.

I MEAN, THAT'D BE, AS FAR AS FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO GO, SO WE DON'T BOTH OPEN TO DISCUSSION.

BE THE REVOLUTION, BUT A NEW THING WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE COULD GET SOME DATA BACK ABOUT, UM, THE EFFICIENCY OF THE WEATHERIZATION PROGRAMS. IF WE COULD COMPARE THAT TO, UM, THE PROGRAM THAT WE WANT TO ELIMINATE AND MAYBE HAVE A DEADLINE TO HAVE WENT BACK IN FRONT OF THAT, WITH THAT DATA AT HAND, SO THAT WE'RE NOT FRIENDLY AND BARE NOW TO, YOU KNOW, RENEWAL AND ENTIRE PROGRAM.

I'LL JUST GO ON THE RECORD SAYING, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THERE AS WELL, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NERVOUS ABOUT ELIMINATING AT A BULK OF, UH, ONE OF THEIR, ONE OF THEIR PROGRAMS OR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, MAKING A STATEMENT TO THAT EFFECT.

UM, SO WE'VE HEARD THAT OPINION OR OPINIONS FROM, I THINK ME COMMISSIONER ARMY COMMISSIONER, WHITE, MR. SMITH, UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO WEIGH IN ON, ON THAT? I HAVE THE QUESTION FOR ME, SORRY.

UM, I GUESS IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF COULD

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AND I, UH, I THINK THAT THIS PROBABLY WAS DISTRIBUTED AFTER YOU JOINED THE COMMISSION, BUT A CENTER POINT DID, UH, SEND OVER KIND OF A WORD DOC OUTLINING THE PROGRAM AS WELL AS A BACKUP ON THE COST OF BENEFIT STUFF, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, UH, THAT WILL, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET, UH, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON RECORD AS ALSO BEING SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, LOOKING INTO WEATHERIZATION INSULATION, UM, TO REDUCE ENERGY USAGE REGARDLESS OF THE FUEL.

I THINK THAT'S PRUDENT TO DO.

UM, IN ADDITION, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT PRIOR COMMISSION MEETING AROUND THE, UM, THE VALUE OF INCENTIVIZING REPLACEMENT OF A TANK WATER HEATER WITH ANOTHER TANK, WATER HEATER, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, REPLACING IT WITH A TANKLESS.

UM, AND THAT TO ME WOULD SEEM TO BE, UM, POSSIBLY LOW HANGING FRUIT.

IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET CLOSER TO THE CLIMATE EQUITY GOALS, UH, CLOSER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DE-CARBONIZATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, I THINK REPLACING THE TANK WITH A TANK IS PROBABLY ONE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, LESS IN MY MIND AS, AS SOMETHING VALUABLE TO LOOK AT.

UM, JUST KNOWING THAT THESE EQUIPMENT INCENTIVES, YOU KNOW, DO RESULT IN A PRETTY LARGE EXT, YOU KNOW, FIXED COSTS, CAPITAL, UM, ELEMENT BEING, BEING INSTALLED.

AND THAT ALSO LEADS TO, YOU KNOW, A 10 OR 15 YEARS ESSENTIALLY OF ENSURING, UM, A NEED FOR NATURAL GAS IN THOSE PILOT HOMES.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES GET EXPANDED INTO THE REST OF THOSE AS WELL.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M THINKING ABOUT HERE.

I'LL JUST SAY, CAN WE NOT DO THIS? THAT, THAT IS THAT, UH, THAT KIND OF 10 TO 15 YEAR LOCK IN IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, UM, I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE LARGE PURCHASES.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SET POINT HAS DONE SOME GOOD WORK HERE, OR THEY RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

UM, HOW SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, NOW WHEN IT STARTING OFF WITH THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO THE EASIEST TIME TO SET IT IN A DIRECTION THAT WE WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.

AND EVEN IF IT MEANS THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE DELAY, I DO THINK, UM, IT MIGHT BE WORTH IT IF EVEN IF THEY NEED TO DELAY IT BY A COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK.

UM, IS I, I DIDN'T THINK THAT, UM, I DUNNO, CALCULATIONS SHOWING THAT BASIC EFFICIENCY, OTHER MEASURES LIKE WEATHERIZATION AND INSULATION ARE COST EFFECTIVE THAT HEARING THE START OF OUR MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST DOES MAKE ME THINK THERE'S STILL A BIT OF WORK TO BE DONE BECAUSE THAT, UH, THAT WAS ALL, IT WAS NOT IN LINE WITH OTHER STUDIES.

NEW CONSTRUCTION IS, UH, EXPRESSLY NOT ALLOWED FOR, UH, THE, THE EQUIPMENT PORTION.

UH, WELL, TO KEEP THINGS MOVING, THE, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO INSERT THAT WAS FROM SMITTY, WAS TO INSERT THE LANGUAGE, TO CONSIDER ELIMINATING RESIDENTIAL REBATES FOR CENTRAL FURNACES AND WATER HEATERS.

UH, THAT, THAT WAS THE MOTION THAT WAS ON THE TABLE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO RESOLVE, UH, FIRST.

UH, SO IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON THAT, THAT SPECIFIC PORTION.

I'M WONDERING EITHER FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR ALL WITH DENTAL, UH, THIS IS NOT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

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SO THIS WOULD BE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION.

UM, I'M SORRY, IT'S THE MOTION ON THE TABLE WITH THE, THE AMENDED LANGUAGE AS YOU'RE SHARING THERE ON THE SCREEN NOW, OR THE KIND OF STRONGER LANGUAGE, UM, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED? UM, WELL, I THINK WE GOT TO TAKE IT ONE AT A TIME.

SO I THINK THE EMOTIONAL AND THE TABLE IS JUST FOR ELIMINATING JONATHAN AND NOT THE SMITHY IS, UH, GONE NOW.

UNFORTUNATELY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ONES YOU'VE MADE A MOTION AND COMES THE MOTION OF THE BODIES.

SO IF WE WANT TO AMEND THAT MOTION, WE COULD JUST AMEND THE MOTION FIRST VOTE TO AMEND THE MOTION, TO INCLUDE WHATEVER WE WANTED TO INCLUDE, AND THEN TAKE A VOTE ON ACTUALLY INCLUDING IT OR NOT IN THE RESOLUTION.

WE CAN DO THAT.

UH, I AM AFRAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO START CONFLATING THE ISSUE THAT THE ISSUES THOUGH, UM, FIRST ISSUE IS ELIMINATING THE REBATES FOR CENTRAL FURNACES, A WATER EATERS.

THE SECOND ISSUE IS, UH, ENCOURAGING THEM TO, UH, LOOK AT DUCKS CEILING, UH, INSTALLATION AND COORDINATE WITH OTHER UTILITIES.

SO WE COULD COMBINE THOSE INTO ONE BIG ONE.

BUT, UH, I MEAN, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, I AGREE WITH ENCOURAGING THEM TO LOOK AT DUCKS CEILING AND CEILING INSTALLATION AND COORDINATION WITH LOCAL UTILITIES.

UH, BUT I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS PORTION OF IT.

SO IF WE, IT JUST SEEMS LOGICAL THAT IF THAT IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS SHARE, UH, SIMILAR OPINIONS, THAT IT'D BE EASIER TO JUST SPLIT THEM OUT.

SO DOES THAT ALL RIGHT THEN HAVING SAID THAT THEN LET'S, UH, SPLIT THEM OUT LIKE THIS.

SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO ELIMINATE THE REBATES FOR CENTRAL FIRST FURNACES OF WATER HEATERS.

UM, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE'RE READY TO TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

HEARING NO COMMENTS TO THAT.

LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THAT THEN.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF ELIMINATING OR, WELL, TO BE CLEAR, WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO ELIMINATE THE PROGRAM.

SO THIS WOULD BE A SUPPORT WE WOULD BE SUPPORTING OR RECOMMENDING ELIMINATING, UH, RESIDENTIAL REBATES FOR CENTRAL FURNACES AND WATER HEATERS.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

UH, HOLD ON.

I'M HAVING SOME, KEEP YOUR HANDS UP FOR JUST A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE, UH, MR. BRENNAMAN WAS YOUR HAND UP? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER AND GORY.

UH, ALL OPPOSED HANDS UP.

UH, ONE OF THE POSITIONS, SO THAT IS A TIE, A TIE GOES TO THE RUDDER, SO THAT IS NOT ADOPTED.

UH, YEAH, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A MAJORITY, SO THAT, THAT DOES NOT PASS.

NUMBER THREE, PLEASE SHOP AND THANK YOU.

UM, SO THEN GOING BACK TO THE BROADER POINT, DANA MADE, UH, DANA, THERE IS NO MOTION ON THE TABLE.

PERHAPS YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION, UH, WITH YOUR LANGUAGE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

SURE.

AND YOU'RE VA A, UM, AN ON BACKPEDALING AND NOT ABLE TO SEE THE, UM, THAT'S MY FAULT.

I, UH, I GOT TO RESHARE IT GREEN.

CAN YOU MAYBE SCROLL DOWN TO THE

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UM, SO, UM, FORGIVE ME, I SHOULD HAVE GOT THIS AHEAD OF TIME, BUT, UM, I THINK OUR MOTION HERE IS TO ENCOURAGE, UH, SORRY, ACTUALLY, JONATHAN, NOW, NOW I'M KIND OF CONFUSED.

ARE WE, ARE WE BASICALLY SOFTENING THE LANGUAGE FOR THE RESOLUTION THAT JUST DID NOT PASS FOR THE 0.2 THAT DID NOT PASS? ARE WE GOING ON TO THE, UM, COOPERATING WITH OTHER UTILITIES? WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COOPERATING, I THINK WE CAN INCLUDE THAT.

I MEAN, THERE'S ONE, THERE'S THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS KIND OF THE ENERGY STUFF.

AND THE SECOND ONE, THAT'S, THAT'S MORE WATER RELATED, BUT THEY'RE BOTH VERY SIMILAR.

UM, THE ONE I THINK THAT YOU HAD COMMENTED ON REALLY WAS, WAS THIS AND W MINUS THAT PART.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, SO, UH, TO, UM, ACCORDING TO OTHER UTILITIES TO INCLUDE REBATES FOR DEBT CEILING AND THAT FOR A TAXI LINE CEILING INSTALLATION, UM, AND WE MAY EVEN NOTE THAT TO JUST OTHER WEATHERIZATION MEASURES THAT COULD MAKE SENSE.

UM, AS PART OF THAT, NOW I ALMOST LIKE I HAD A NUMBER TWO.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD WANT TO POINT OUT NOT TO JUST, UM, UH, BELABOR THE POINT WE MADE A MOMENT AGO.

UM, AGAIN, I AM IN FAVOR OF, OF LOOKING FOR WAYS TO BEGIN TO ELIMINATE, UM, THE EQUIPMENT REBATES WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING, BUT I, MY CONCERN IS, IS STRIPPING THE PROGRAMS, OR IF THERE'S A WAY TO SOLVE THEM THAT LANGUAGE TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO ENCOURAGE THEIR POINT, TO EXPLORE WAYS TO DO THAT IN THIS, UH, ITEM, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT OR, OR CREATING ANOTHER, UM, SINCE THE KIND OF HARD ELIMINATION LANGUAGE THAT WE JUST, UH, DESCRIBED, I PASS.

UM, BUT LET ME NOT CONFLATE THE TWO, AND MAYBE I CAN JUST PROPOSE THIS ONE.

UH, THERE'S YOU HAVEN'T READ THE JONATHAN ENCOURAGED ME TO POINT TO COORDINATE WITH OTHER UTILITIES, DOING FOOD REBATES FOR DUCT CEILING AND CEILING INSTALLATION AND OTHER COST EFFECTIVE WEATHERIZATION MEASURES.

YOU WOULDN'T MIGHT NOT EVEN WORK BY THE IRRITATION PLEASE.

UH, THAT MOTION IS NOW ON THE TABLE.

UH, WE'LL OPEN IT FOR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER WHITE.

UM, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE COORDINATING WITH UTILITIES.

UM, I GUESS THE HOPE IS THAT WE COULD MAYBE MAKE THIS A LITTLE STRONGER BY RECOMMENDING THAT THEY INCLUDE THESE MEASURES AND THEN, AND COORDINATE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF THEY DON'T COORDINATE, THEY DON'T DO THESE PROGRAMS. UM, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

HOW YOU BET, UM, THAT THEY, I THINK THEY, THE, UM, INTENT IS TO INCLUDE THOSE BADGERS AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO COORDINATE WITH THE OTHER UTILITIES, UM, ON THEM.

SO DANA, THIS IS YOUR EMOTION, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TO PUT THAT THERE AND TO COORDINATE WITH OTHER UTILITIES FOR PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

BUT YES, I GUESS, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE NEED THE WORD ENCOURAGE, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL, DO WE WANT COUNCIL TO ENCOURAGE, OR DO WE WANT COUNCIL SAY INCLUDE THESE BECAUSE IF WE WANT THEM TO SAY INCLUDE THESE, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST WE JUST A BEAT INCLUDE THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY INCLUDED.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

IN FACT, I ENCOURAGE YOU.

DAN, ARE YOU YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THIS AS IT'S WRITTEN? YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

SORRY.

WE RANDOMLY, AND THEN HE SAYS HE'S BACK, BUT I DON'T SEE HIM STUDIES THAT'S FOR WHOEVER'S CONTROL IN THE

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UM, ALRIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONER IS ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS MOTION, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER TWO? ALL RIGHT.

HEARING NONE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

SO ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, ADOPTING THAT AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, A THAT'S A MAJORITY.

SO THAT ONE WILL BE ACCEPTED.

I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE ON THE ELIMINATING THE EQUIPMENT.

UH, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS EMOTION, WHICH IS WILD.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ANYBODY WHO VOTED FOR A MOTION CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO BE ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION, THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

UH, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER ROBERT'S RULES.

UH, I HAVE ALSO INCLUDED AN ADDITIONAL ITEM FROM PAUL ROBBINS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ONE.

UH, PAUL'S POINT HERE IS THAT TWO OF THE, THE CENTER POINT PROGRAMS INCLUDE REBATES FOR, UH, ESSENTIALLY WATER SAVING MEASURES AND THAT, UH, THOSE WOULD BE BEST HANDLED IN COOPERATION WITH, UH, THE LOCAL WATER UTILITIES.

SO, UH, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT OR MAKE A MOTION? WAS THAT, WAS THAT YOU? YEAH.

AND ARE GOTCHA.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT AS IT'S WRITTEN? IS THAT, IS THAT THE MOTION? YEAH.

UH, SO WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION ON INSERTING AN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION.

HEARING NO COMMENTS, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE OKAY TO TAKE THAT ONE TO VOTE, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF MODIFYING THE RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE, UH, THE LANGUAGE ON COOPERATING WITH LOCAL WATER UTILITIES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

UH, AND THAT PASSES.

AND I, AND I DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS, BUT WHILE BASICALLY, WHILE MEETING THE GOALS PROGRAM, UH, OR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, SAVINGS TARGETS, UM, I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF.

UH, SO THAT'S ALL OF THE TEMPLATE MODIFICATIONS WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ONES FROM THE FLOOR? UM, DAMON, YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF EMOTION THAT WAS LESS A DEFINITIVE OR ELIMINATE.

I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY OF PHRASING THAT YOU, WHEN SUPPORT? I THINK THERE IS.

UM, AND AGAIN, MY, MY CONCERN WITH THE IDEA OF ELIMINATING THOSE EQUIPMENT REBATES IS AGAIN, THE REALLY TAKING THE TEETH OUT OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AT THAT.

UM, REALLY THE TIME TO, UH, YOU KNOW, INFLUENCE PROGRAM DESIGN IS IN THE BEGINNING, UM, AND THIS IS THE BEST TIME TO DO SO.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I WORRY ABOUT THE EFFECT OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, WE THINK THOSE OUT, SO, UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GIVEN OF POINTS, YOU KNOW, EARLY, UH, MOODS TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THIS COMMISSION, UM, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE, UM, UH, BASICALLY IT IN ENCOURAGING CENTER POINT TO EVALUATE WAYS TO ELIMINATE RESIDENTIAL REBATES FOR CENTRAL PREGNANCIES AND WATERKEEPERS, UM,

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UM, YEAH.

SO MAYBE IN, MAYBE WE COULD EVEN ADD TO THAT, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, ENCOURAGE, ENCOURAGE CENTER POINT TO, UH, THE WORD ELIMINATE IS, IS DIFFICULT SINCE IT DOES NOTHING EXISTS YET.

MAYBE JUST ENCOURAGE THAT OUR POINT TO, UM, RECONSIDER THE INCLUSION OF A CENTRAL FURNACE AND WATER HEATER REBATES IN FAVOR, UM, USING THOSE FUNDS OR WHETHER AS THE DUCT CEILING AND INSULATION, THEN DO YOU THINK WE DON'T WANT TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOSE ACCESS TO THAT POT OF MONEY, BUT IT COULD BE MAYBE PUT TO BETTER USE WHERE WE ALL SEEM TO AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE FOCUS.

I KNOW THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY TO GIVE, IF WE CAN SAY CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES TO THE REBATES FOR FURNACES AND WATER HEATERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT CAN ACHIEVE SIMILAR SAVINGS TARGETS.

UM, AND FORGIVE ME, I'M TERRIBLE AT WORD SPENDING ON THE FLY.

SO THIS IS WHAT I'VE GOT SO FAR.

UH, THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY A MOTION ON THE TABLE, SO IF YOU WANT ANY OTHER WORD SMITHING, LET'S DO IT NOW AND THEN MAKE A MOTION MAYBE TO CONSIDER EXCLUSION.

I'M JUST NOT REALIZING THAT LIKE, UNLESS YOU AND THIS CONVERSATION, THIS IS MAYBE CONFUSING.

CONSIDER EXCLUSION.

UM, YEAH.

OH, THE WAY IT'S UM, OH, ON AND THE LIVE, THE ALBUM MOVE OR PRO BONO NUMBER FOUR.

I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE, I THINK IT'S BACKWARDS MAYBE RIGHT WHEN THAT GUY AND ALSO, OH, CAN YOU HAVE, YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.

I LIKE THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING NOW.

SO DOES THAT WORK YEAH, HE'D PROBABLY TAKE IT INTO THE HAND.

DOES THAT MIRROR WILL BE ADOPTED IN NUMBER TWO DUCKS CEILING SEEING INCISION COST-EFFECTIVE WEATHERIZATION MEASURES.

GREAT.

APPROVAL NUMBER FOUR.

I'M SORRY, CAN WE JUST HAVE THE COST-EFFECTIVE LANGUAGE BACK INTO NUMBER FOUR AS WELL? UM, OH, LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO LOSE, I CAN PHONE THAT.

DOES THAT WORK? YES.

UH, OKAY, SO COMMISSIONER WHITE, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE? ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE IT TO A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

THAT'S THE MAJORITY.

ALL RIGHT, SO THAT ONE WILL BE ADOPTED AS WELL.

UH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE FOUR?

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HEARING NOTHING ELSE.

UH, SO WHAT WE WILL DO NOW IS WE'VE CRAFTED THIS RESOLUTION.

UH, WE WILL NOW TAKE THE, THE RESOLUTION AS A WHOLE TO A VOTE.

UM, AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND COUNCIL NOT APPROVE THE PROGRAM, OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO TAKE NO ACTION HERE, THEN YOU SHOULD VOTE NO AGAINST THIS.

UM, OTHERWISE, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE RESOLUTION ON THE TABLE.

SO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE OVERALL RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR CENTER POINTS, PILOT EFFICIENCY PROGRAM WITH, UH, THE FOUR MODIFICATIONS AS WRITTEN.

IS ANYONE NOT READY TO PROCEED TO A VOTE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT.

HEARING ON, UH, WE WILL VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION AS IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

THIS IS A QUORUM VOTE, SO PLEASE KEEP THEM UP.

I MEAN, COUNT.

I'M GOOD FOR THOSE WITH VIDEO, UH, COMMISSIONER BRENNAMAN OKAY.

COMMISSIONER BRENNAN MIGHT BE ON MUTE.

IS, UH, UPDATED ON DISTRIBUTED COMMUNITY SOLAR, UM, FROM COMMISSIONERS, UH, WHITE AND JOHNSON, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE.

AND COMMISSIONER AND GLORY.

UH, THAT RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED, UH, UNANIMOUSLY.

ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT WAS VERY LONG AND DRAWN OUT PROCESS.

MAYBE WE'LL GET MORE EFFICIENT WITH THAT AS WE DO THESE MORE OFTEN.

UH, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND APOLOGIES FOR THE CONFUSING MANNER IN WHICH I MAY HAVE PRESENTED IT.

UM, ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE ON.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WRAP UP THE MEETING PRETTY, PRETTY QUICKLY.

UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA

[9. Update on Distributed Community Solar. (Sponsors: White; Johnson)]

DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS ONE? UM, AND THEN, UM, SO IT, IT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD, ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE THAT THIS COMMISSION, UH, STARTED ENGAGING WITH AUSTIN ENERGY, UH, ON THE ISSUE OF EXPANDING ACCESS TO DISTRIBUTED SOLAR AND, UM, DID, UH, MEET WITH STAFF A NUMBER OF TIME AND DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PILLAR STRATEGIES.

AND IN THE END, THE ONE THAT WAS, UM, FOUND TO BE ACCEPTABLE BY, BY AUSTIN ENERGY WAS, UH, AN ORTHOPEDIC PROCESS, UM, TO TRY TO, UH, ALLOW THE SOLAR INDUSTRY TO IDENTIFY, UM, LOCAL, UM, SOLAR OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD BE, UH, ON RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL OR, UM, KIND OF STANDALONE, UH, SOLAR FIRMS, BUT THEY HAD TO BE ON THE DISTRIBUTION GRID.

AND THERE WAS THE FALL OF 20 19, 20 20, I GUESS IT WAS IN THE FALL OF 2020 THAT RFP WENT OUT.

UM, BUT, UH, NO PROJECTS WERE SELECTED.

UM, AND THAT DECISION WAS MADE OVER THE SUMMER THAT NONE OF THE PROJECTS WERE GOING TO BE SELECTED.

AND SO WE DID, UM, RECONVENE, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO NOW.

UM, MAYBE IT WASN'T THAT LONG TIME, TIME IS DIFFICULT, BUT IN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, ANYWAY, WE RECONVENED WITH AUSTIN ENERGY THAT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UM, CHALLENGES THAT THEY SAW IN THE RESPONSES TO THAT RFP AND PART OF IT WAS COST.

AND, UH, PART OF IT WAS, UH, PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, NOT SHOWING THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD SITE CONTROL AND ED AMONGST OTHER THINGS.

UM, SO THE, THE WORKING GROUP, UH, DOES PLAN TO MEET AGAIN.

UM, I DIDN'T WANT THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST ON THE AGENDA, BUT JUST SO FOLKS KIND OF HAVE A HEADS UP THAT THE IS MEETING AGAIN AND, AND I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH AUSTIN ENERGY TO, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

AND I THINK AUSTIN ENERGY STOCKS SEEM TO WANT TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, UM, THAT THAT DOES ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE PROGRAM, UH, USING SOLAR ON THE DISTRIBUTION GRID, UM, WHICH IS IT'S THE, UM, I, YOU KNOW, AND

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I DON'T THINK THERE ARE THERE'S, UM, JUST ONE STRATEGY.

IT SEEMS THAT AUSTIN ENERGY IS CONSIDERING, UH, FIRST FOCUSING ON MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT, UM, UH, SCHOOL COLLEEN'S AS WELL, BUT ALSO WILLING TO CONTINUE WORKING, UH, WITH THE WORKING GROUP TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES TO ACTUALLY USE YOU KIND OF PUT THEIR PRIVATE BUILDINGS, WHICH WAS THE INITIAL KIND OF PROPOSE OF THE WORKING GROUP WAS TO EXPAND ACCESS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST, UH, TO EXPAND THE COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAM, WHICH WAS PART OF IT, BUT ACTUALLY EXPAND ACCESS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ROOFTOP SOLAR FOR, UM, A WIDER ARRAY OF AUSTIN AIDS.

UH IT'LL WE'LL CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

UM, THE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT I THINK IS, UH, DEFINITELY RELEVANT TO THIS MISSION IS THAT, UH, STAFF IS CONSIDERING, UM, TRYING TO, UH, KIND OF ROLE THE, UH, PFLUGERVILLE.

NOW, I THINK IT WAS CALLED BLACK LANDS.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PROJECT'S CALLED NOW, BUT THERE'S A, I THINK 144 MEGAWATT, UH, SOLAR FARM THAT AUSTIN ENERGY HAS OUR PURCHASE AGREEMENT OR INFLUENCE BLOOPER RENTAL.

THAT'S ALREADY OPERATIONAL, UM, IN HARDY PART OF THEIR ENERGY PORTFOLIO.

CURRENTLY, IT'S JUST PART OF THEIR REGULAR, YOU KNOW, IT, IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE, THE REGULAR PEOPLE CHARGE.

UM, SO IT'S NOT PERFECT COMMUNITY.

SOLAR WAS NOT PURCHASED AS PART OF COMMUNITY SOLAR, AND THERE'S NO CONSIDERATION OF ROLLING THAT INTO THE COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAM.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S, THERE ARE SOME PROS AND CONS TO THAT.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME HERE.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S RELEVANT TO THIS COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, ROLLING PENNIES IN SPAIN, PARSCALE, UH, SOLAR FARM INTO THE COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE, WHETHER THERE'S THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE, THE DOWNSIDES OR NOT.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN THIS TO ASK QUESTIONS, SPEAK UP AND ALSO ACCOMMODATE, UM, WITHOUT GETTING INTO QUANTUM PROBLEMS, ANOTHER PERSON ON THE WORKING GROUPS.

SO IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHANE'S STILL HERE, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD IS TRYING TO SEND THEM HER, YOU DID A GREAT JOB, KARINA.

UM, I ONLY HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS, I GUESS THE FIRST IN OUR PACKET THERE WAS THE, UH, RESOLUTION, UM, TO ESTABLISH THE WORKING GROUP, WAS THAT AS A REMINDER TO GROUP, OR DO WE NEED TO RE ESTABLISH OURSELVES? SO, UH, ACTUALLY PUT THAT TOGETHER BACK IN NOVEMBER AND THEN IT DIDN'T GET ON THE AGENDA.

AND THEN IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT TECHNICALLY THE PROJECT HAD NOT ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION.

IS THERE A REASON WHY THE WORKING GROUP WAS DISSOLVED? BECAUSE USUALLY THAT'S LIKE WHEN THE WORKING GROUP DISSOLVES.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, WE NEED ACTION ON THAT.

UM, SO NO, I THINK THAT'S JUST A GHOST DOCUMENT IF YOU WILL.

FOCUS FOR THAT PARTICULAR WORKING GROUP NARROW FOR NOW.

UM, THEY, UM, I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH JUST THANKS TO AUSTIN ENERGY TO THEM AND MARY AND THE STAFF OVER THERE, UM, IT WAS THE WILLINGNESS TO KEEP THE WORKING GROUP UPDATED AND TO, TO WORK WITH US, TO INCORPORATE OUR FEEDBACK.

UM, AND ALSO TO YOU, FOR YOUR, YOUR LEADERSHIP, UM, WITH, WITH THIS WORKING GROUP AND MOVING THIS FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, IT'S, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING.

UM, AND, BUT I DO THINK IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, A PROCESS THAT IS WORKING.

UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, AND IT, MY, MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION WAS HOW YOU MIGHT, THAT YOU MADE SOME GOOD COMMENTS EARLY ON IN THE MEETING ABOUT, UM, STORAGE AND ADDING RESILIENCE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE, THE, UM, CLASSMATES INCENTIVES THAT WERE, UH, ON OUR AGENDA EARLY ON.

AND I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANY, UM, INTEREST OR APPETITE TO INCLUDE SORT OF RESILIENCE AS PART OF THIS WORKING GROUP, OR SHOULD WE JUST KEEP IT, KEEP THE FOCUS NARROW FOR NOW? UM, AND I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR THE GROUP.

I WILL SAY THAT I, I WOULD THINK MAYBE KEEP YOUR

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UM, ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT THIS, THIS ISSUE OF STORAGE AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, BROADER DEMAND RESPONSE, UH, TECHNOLOGIES, ESPECIALLY AS IT APPLIES TO AUSTIN, ENERGY IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST NUMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP ARE INTERESTED IN, BUT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL, UH, AS DEMONSTRATED BY A COUPLE OF PAST PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO, UH, UH, TO EXPLORE WITH, WITH AUSTIN ENERGY.

ALRIGHT, BUT FAIR ENOUGH.

THANKS, JONATHAN.

YEAH, AND I, I GUESS I'LL SAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN THE, UM, PURVIEW, UM, THAT WORKING GROUP BASED ON HOW WE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE ADOPTED, I'M SURE WE CAN GO BACK AND FIND ON THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION, UH, EITHER WAY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE POSTAGE TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT ON THIS AGENDA.

UM, I, I WOULD SUPPORT CREATING MAYBE A SEPARATE WIFI GROUP TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT ONE AND IT DOES OF CONNECT TO OTHER THINGS.

SO SEE YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TOPIC DOES CONTINUE TO COME UP WITH THIS COMMISSION AND THERE'S CERTAINLY NOTHING THAT PREVENTS US FROM DISCUSSING IT AS THE COMMISSION WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE POSTED UP.

SO THAT TOTALLY FAIR, BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT WILL KEEP THE WORKING GROUP SCOPE FOCUSED.

UM, AND, AND CAN YOU COMPARE YEAH.

AS THINGS EVOLVE, IF AT A FUTURE MEETING, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO EXPAND THAT OR JUST CREATE A SEPARATE ONE, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS IT, UH, AT THAT TIME.

UH, BUT AS COMMISSIONER WHITE MENTIONED, UH, NO ACTION ITEM ON THAT TODAY.

FAIR ENOUGH.

FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, A COUPLE OF ITEMS FROM OUR LAST MEETING THAT WAS CANCELED LAST WEEK, UH, HAVE ROLLED FORWARD TO FEBRUARY AS WELL AS WE HAVE.

UH, SO MOVING ON AND WE CAN WRAP UP PRETTY QUICK, UM, POTENTIAL

[11. Discuss potential future agenda items.]

UM, I THINK OUR, OUR NORMAL UPDATES FROM TEXAS GAS AND AUSTIN WATER.

SO FEBRUARY IS GETTING PRETTY FULL.

UM, WE'RE JUST A REMINDER.

IF ANYONE DOES HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE AGENDA REQUIRES TWO COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE SEND, UH, MYSELF AND NATASHA AND EMAIL AND, UH, AS FAR IN ADVANCE AS POSSIBLE, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL, UH, JUST TO, TO PLAN MEETING EFFICIENCY HERE.

UM, SO WITH THAT, JUST A COUPLE OF, OF LAST MINUTE THINGS, SHEA, ARE YOU STILL ON? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO TELL YOU, THANKS FOR JOINING.

WE APPRECIATE YOU, UH, YOUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMISSION, UM, AND YOUR COMMENTS TODAY.

UH, AS WELL AS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT TO WORKING YOU IN THE FUTURE.

UM, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF UP WHAT, GO AHEAD.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

UM, CERTAINLY FROM PAYING YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY, WE TAKE THAT TO ALL THAT WE CAN AND ENCOURAGE YOU IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, FROM ME OR ANY OTHER FEEDBACK RECOMMENDATIONS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME.

AND, UH, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HEAR THOSE.

SO, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANKS AGAIN, SHEA.

UM, AND LASTLY, WE, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF, UH, VACANCIES COMING UP ON THE COMMISSIONER ON THE COMMISSION, UH, ONE, UH, COMMISSIONER DAVIS, AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER SMITH, UH, SMITTY.

I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE A PRETTY BIG HOLE HERE.

ANY FINAL FINAL WORDS FOR US LOOKS LIKE HE MIGHT BE ON A STAFF MEETING.

UH, WELL WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN ONLY THAT I AGREED THAT, THAT CINDY'S DEPARTURE WILL LEAVE A REALLY BIG HOLE FOR US.

UM, AND JUST IF, AND WHEN HE HEARS JUST THANK YOU SPENDING, IT'S ALL YOU DO FOR, FOR OUR CITIES FOR UNIT EIGHT, AND WE SURE APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR LEADERSHIP AND IT, SORRY.

YOU ALSO SAID, UM, JONATHAN COMMISSIONER DAVIS, WHO HAD, HAS JUST JOINED.

SO WHERE ARE YOU? TH TH TO DAVIS'S? UH, THE, UH, KELLY DAVIS.

I DID MESSAGE, UH, MANY AND ASKED HIM IF HE WANTED TO SAY GOODBYE.

UM, SINCE HE WASN'T RESPONDING,

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AND HE SAYS HE HASN'T BEEN REPLACED YET.

SO IT MIGHT BE THAT HE IS WITH US AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S, UH, RESIGNING CAN BE REPLACEMENT.

THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

UH, SORRY IF I WAS PREMATURE THERE.

UM, OKAY.

UH, NICE TO MEET YOU CHARLOTTE, WHILE YOU'RE QUIET GUYS, I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY MEETING AND TALKING WITH YOU ALL IN PERSON ONE DAY SOON.

SO, SO ON THAT, UH, CHARLOTTE, UH, THE IT FOLKS ARE ASKING ME DUE TO TECHNICAL AUDIO ISSUES.

CAN YOU, UH, REPEAT YOUR BRIEF INTRO FROM THE BEGINNING FOR THE RECORD? UM, CHARLOTTE DAVIS, I AM A NEW COMMISSIONER JUST JOINING I'M ORIGINALLY FROM AUSTIN HAVE LIVED HERE MOST OF MY LIFE.

UH, ALTHOUGH NOT ALL OF IT.

I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN, UM, MARKETING AND A LITTLE BIT IN ENGINEERING, AND I'M RECENTLY RETIRED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SERVING ON THE COMMISSION AND SERVING THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

SO THANKS EVERYONE FOR JOINING, UH, BEARING WITH US THROUGH THE TECHNICAL ISSUES.

WE'LL, WE'LL WORK IT OUT GOING FORWARD.

WE APPRECIATE, UH, EVERYONE'S PATIENCE.

UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL GLAD TO BE BACK TO THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS, OR AT LEAST I'M SURE ALL OF YOU ARE, UH, AND WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL ADJOURN.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR JOINING, AND WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN IN A FEW WEEKS.

UH THAT'S THE TIME, THE TIME IS 4 44.