* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] UM, LET'S GO AHEAD [CALL TO ORDER] AND GET STARTED. UH, TODAY IS MARCH 7TH, 2022. AND, UM, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING OF THE CPRC TO ORDER. UH, I AM COMMISSIONER ERICA FLORES CO-CHAIR OF THIS COMMISSION. AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE ATTENDANCE, UH, SILKY LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO TO YOU. JUST SAY YOUR NAME THAT YOU'RE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCMANN PRESENT AND, UH, RICHARD COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ PRESENT SARAH COMMISSIONER MCCREARY PRESENT. GREAT. AND WE'RE GOING TO START THINGS OFF. [a. Presentation by the Austin Office of Police Oversight on Body-Worn Cameras & Dashboard Cameras – Policy Review and Recommendations] THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS A PRESENTATION FROM OPO. DO WE HAVE OUR PRESENTER HERE AND READY TO GET STARTED? GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WHILE WE WERE GETTING SET UP, I AM READY. HEY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OKAY. UM, SO AGAIN, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANI MICHELLE EVANS, AND I LEAD THE QUALITY AND RESEARCH DIVISION FOR THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, UM, AND Q4 INVITING OPO TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR MOST RECENT POLICY PROJECT, WHERE WE ANALYZED EPDS CURRENT POLICIES RELATED TO BODY WORN AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. YEAH. SO AS YOU MAY KNOW, I'M THE POLICY PROJECT THAT I'LL BE PRESENTING ON TODAY IS PART OF A LARGER PLAN AND PROCESS TO REWRITE APS POLICY MANUAL, THE GENERAL ORDERS. AND THAT BEING SAID, THE FIRST THING THAT I'D LIKE TO DO TODAY IS BRIEFLY GO OVER THE PROCESS THAT OPO HAS ADOPTED TO FACILITATE THE GENERAL ORDERS REWRITE. AND THE SECOND THING I'LL DO IS GIVE SOME BRIEF INFORMATION ABOUT BODY WORN AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS. AFTER THAT I'LL DISCUSS OUR RESEARCH METHODOLOGY AND FOLLOWING THAT I'LL DISCUSS EACH OF OUR NINE FINDINGS AND THE RELATED RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I'LL CLOSE THINGS OFF BY TALKING BRIEFLY ABOUT WHERE IN THE REWRITE PROCESS WE ARE NOW, AS IT RELATES TO THE TOPIC, AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE WAYS THAT FOLKS CAN GET INVOLVED AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON EPDS CURRENT POLICIES AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. SO AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL PASSED SOME KEY RESOLUTIONS IN JUNE OF 2020 IN RESPONSE TO THE EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE DURING THE 2020 PROTESTS HERE IN AUSTIN. AND TWO OF THOSE RESOLUTIONS CALL FOR OPO TO FACILITATE A REWRITE OF APDS GENERAL ORDERS. SO RESOLUTION 96 THERE ON THE LEFT TALKS ABOUT FUNDING AND BUDGET AND DIRECTS THE CITY MANAGER TO PROPOSE A BUDGET THAT INCLUDES FUNDING FOR A PROCESS TO REWRITE THE GENERAL ORDERS. COUNSEL ALSO STATED THAT THIS REWRITE SHOULD BE FACILITATED BY OFFICES LIKE OPO AND MAKE CHANGES THAT REFLECT NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES AND COMMUNITY INPUT RESOLUTION 95 WEIGHED OUT COUNCIL AND THE CITY BOSTON'S OFFICIAL POSITION ON SEVERAL TOPICS RELATED TO THE USE OF FORCE BY POLICE, UM, RESOLUTION 95, ALSO CALLED FOR OPO TO REVIEW AND REVISE THE GENERAL ORDERS TO IMPLEMENT POLICY DIRECTIVES RELATED TO THOSE USE OF FORCE TOPICS OUTLINED THE COUNCIL. SO I HIGHLIGHTED RESOLUTION 96 IN RED ON THE LEFT BECAUSE IT IS IN THAT RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY CALLED FOR OPO TO REVIEW APDS POLICIES RELATED TO BODY WORN AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS LIKE FIVE, PLEASE. SO TAKING THESE DIRECTIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND LPO WORKS TOGETHER TO DEVELOP A THREE PHASE PLAN TO REWRITE THE GENERAL ORDERS IN PHASE ONE, OPO CONDUCTS A PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS OF SPECIFIC AP POLICIES AND ISSUES RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW THE POLICIES CAN BE IMPROVED IN A PHASE TWO OPO SEEKS INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON APS, CURRENT POLICIES AND OUR PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS. AND IN PHASE THREE, WE SYNTHESIZE THAT COMMUNITY INPUT DATA AND RELEASE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH THEN GO TO THE CITY MANAGER. SO THE COUNCIL AND EAP, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THIS PRESENTATION IS A SUMMARY OF OUR PHASE ONE REPORT, [00:05:01] AND WE'LL JUST START RIGHT IN DIVING INTO THE TOPIC OF BODY-WORN AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS, BODY WORN CAMERAS ARE THE CAMERAS THAT ARE WORN BY POLICE OFFICERS AS PART OF THEIR UNIFORM. AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY WORN IN THE CHEST AREA. APDS BODY WORN CAMERA PROGRAM STARTED IN 2015 AND LIVE WITH ALL OFFICERS EXCEPT FOR CHIEFS AND COMMANDERS BEING ISSUED CAMERAS BY 2019. AUDIO AND CAMERAS ARE DISCUSSED IN APD GENERAL ORDER 3 0 3 AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS. THOSE ARE THE CAMERAS THAT ARE INSTALLED IN POLICE VEHICLES. SO THESE CAMERAS CAPTURE WHAT'S GOING ON OUTSIDE THE FRONT OF THE POLICE VEHICLE, AND THEY ALSO CAPTURE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BACK SEAT OF A PATROL VEHICLE. DASHBOARD CAMERAS ARE DISCUSSED IN AP GENERAL ORDER 304. SO BOTH BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS CAN CAPTURE AUDIO AND VIDEO AND CAMERAS TYPICALLY START RECORDING BASED ON A TRIGGERING EVENT. SO THIS COULD BE THE OFFICER TURNING ON THE VEHICLES, EMERGENCY LIGHTS OR SIREN THE DRIVER'S SIDE DOOR OPENING, THE VEHICLES CRASH SENSOR BEING TRIGGERED. I'M EXCEEDING 90 MILES AN HOUR ACTIVATION DURING THE BODY-WORN CAMERA. AND IT CAN ALSO BEGIN RECORDING WHEN THE OFFICER MANUALLY PRESSES THE RECORD BUTTON ON THE CAMERA OR THE OFFICER'S COMPUTER BODY-WORN CAMERAS CAN ALSO START RECORDING BASED ON A TRIGGER EVENT. AND THIS IS GENERALLY THE OFFICER OPENING, THE DRIVER'S SIDE DOOR. THEY CAN ALSO BEGIN RECORDING MANUALLY WHEN THE OFFICER PRESSES THE EVENT BUTTON. SO THESE CAMERAS HAVE A 32ND PRERECORD FEATURE, WHICH RECORDS EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE 30 SECONDS BEFORE THE RECORDING FUNCTIONS ACTIVATED. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO IN TERMS OF OUR RESEARCH METHODOLOGY FOR THIS PROJECT, ONE OF THE MAJOR PARTS OF OUR RESEARCH INVOLVE THE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS IN WHICH WE COMPARED AP POLICIES TO THOSE OF 15 OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THERE'S A LIST THERE AT THE BOTTOM FOR YOUR REVIEW. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS, WE ALSO DID FURTHER RESEARCH, INCLUDING LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE CASE LAW STATUTES, ACADEMIC WRITING REPORTS FROM OTHER OVERSIGHT AGENCIES, UM, NEWS ARTICLES, POLICING MANUALS, AND REPORTS AND TRAINING RESOURCES, INCLUDING SOME THAT ARE APD SPECIFIC. AND BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF THAT INFORMATION, WE IDENTIFIED AREAS WHERE APDS CURRENT POLICIES COULD BE IMPROVED AND WE FORMULATED RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WHAT DID OUR RESEARCH TELLS US WELL, UH, WE CAME AWAY WITH FINDINGS THAT COVER NINE TOPICS. THE FIRST IS USING PUBLIC FEEDBACK TO MAKE POLICY. THE SECOND IS ALIGNING PURPOSE WITH PRIORITIES. THE THIRD IS MAKING CLEAR POLICIES THAT ALIGN WITH THE LAW. THE FOURTH IS RELATED TO STARTING AND STOPPING RECORDING AND ISSUES RELATED TO DEFINITIONS WITHIN CURRENT POLICY. THE FIFTH IS ALSO STARTING AND STOPPING A RECORDING, BUT ISSUES RELATED TO OFFICER DISCRETION, THE SIXTH IS KEEPING WRITTEN RECORDS OF CAMERA USE. THE SEVENTH IS TELLING FOLKS WHEN THEY'RE BEING RECORDED, THE EIGHTH IS INSPECTIONS OF BODY OR EXCUSE ME, INSPECTIONS OF CAMERA RECORDINGS, AND THE NINTH IS ENFORCEMENT AND DISCIPLINE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO OUR FIRST FINDING IS, AS I SAID, RELATED TO THE USE OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK TO MAKE POLICY, UH, OPO FOUND THAT APD USES A PRIVATE CORPORATION CALLED LEXICAL TO HELP WRITE IT'S POLICY MANUAL AND LEXICAL CREATES UNIFORM STATE TEMPLATES, WHICH THEN USES TO CRAFT A LOCAL POLICY. AND UNFORTUNATELY WE FOUND NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT THERE'S ANY INPUT FROM COMMUNITY ON THE FRONT END OF THIS POLICY. MAKING RATHER IT'S LEFT UP TO THE DEPARTMENTS TO MODIFY THE POLICIES AFTER THE FACT WHILE LEXIPOL MARKETS ITSELF AS A TIME-SAVING SOLUTION FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS, PARTICULARLY SMALLER DEPARTMENTS, UM, TO HAVE A MANUAL THAT SQUARES WITH CURRENT CASE LAW, UM, AND A STATUTORY LAW OPO FOUND THAT LEXIPOL HAS TAKEN STANCES AGAINST COMMON SENSE REFORMS THAT ARE ENDORSED BY LEADING VOICES IN POLICING. SO PLACES LIKE THE POLICE EXECUTIVE RESEARCH FORUM, AND THAT'S BEEN WHEN THOSE REFORMS RESTRICTED OFFICER DISCRETION. SO LEXIPOL IS MARKETING AND BUSINESS MATERIALS DEMONSTRATE THAT LEXIPOL PRIORITIZES RISK MANAGEMENT FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS. AND AS PART OF THIS LEXICAL HAS SAID THAT THEY PURPOSELY AVOID USING TERMS LIKE SHELL IN THEIR POLICIES [00:10:01] TO DIRECT OFFICER BEHAVIOR, UM, AVOIDING THAT KIND OF TERMINOLOGY, UM, ALLEGEDLY SHIELDS DEPARTMENTS FROM LIABILITY. SO THAT'S WHY THEY TEND TO DO THAT. AND WE SAW THIS REFLECTED THROUGHOUT THE GENERAL ORDERS AND IN THE BODY-WORN CAMERA AND DASHBOARD CAMERA POLICIES SPECIFICALLY. AND ON THE OCCASIONS WHEN IT IS USED, IT'S LARGELY RELATED TO WHEN NOT TO USE THE CAMERA OR ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS. OPO FOUND THAT APS RELIANCE ON POLICIES FROM LEXIPOL LEADS TO VAGUE GUIDELINES AND REMOVES COMMUNITY FROM THE POLICY MAKING PROCESS ON THE FRONT END. AND AS IT RELATES TO THIS TOPIC, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APD TO SHIFT ITS FOCUS, TO PRIORITIZE TRANSPARENT AND COMMUNITY INFORMED POLICY MAKING. AND WE WERE NOT PRESCRIPTIVE WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE WANT TO HEAR FROM COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT FOLKS WOULD WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE IN PRACTICE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. YEAH. SONY REAL QUICK. I JUST WANT TO STOP. I KNOW RICHARD ARNAR MENTIONED THAT HE HAD A QUESTION. RICHARD, DID YOU WANT TO ASK THAT NOW? YES. SORRY. I WAS DOUBLE MUTED. UM, THE CUP ACTUALLY, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE TRIGGERS ON THE, UM, BODY CAMERAS. WE CAN GO BACK, UH, SUPPLY. UH, YOU MENTIONED WHEN WE WENT BEFORE THAT, I'M SORRY. YOU MENTIONED WHEN THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE ACTUALLY EXITING AN ENEMY IN THEIR CAR, UM, THAT TRIGGERS IT. WHAT ARE THE TRIGGERS FOR THE ONES ON THE BODY ITSELF? HOW'S THAT AUTOMATICALLY ACTIVATED? SO BODY-WORN CAMERAS CAN BE TRIGGERED BY THE DRIVER'S SIDE DOOR OPENING AS WELL. AND I THINK IT'S ON OUR REVIEW. IT'S NOT JUST, UM, IT'S ANY SORT OF CAMERA THAT'S LINKED TO THAT CAR, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. SO AS SOON AS THE DOORS OPEN, UM, THE OTHER QUESTIONS ON YOUR KEY FINDINGS FIRST OFF, HOW LONG HAS THE, HAS APD BEEN USING LEXIPOL? SO BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, UM, AND THIS IS THROUGH THE FINANCIAL, UM, UH, CITY OF AUSTIN FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT, UM, THE EARLIEST, UM, UM, REPORTED SORT OF CONTRACT WITH LEXIPOL, I BELIEVE WAS IN 2009. AND THAT WAS FOR TRAINING MATERIALS. UM, PART OF OUR PHASE THREE RESEARCH IS GOING TO BE DELVING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THAT AND SEEING IN PARTICULAR, UM, SORT OF MORE, UM, RELATED TO THOSE CONTRACTS. OKAY. UM, SO WE'RE STILL USING THEM, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. UM, ONE OF THE KEY FINDINGS, UM, COULD YOU EXPAND A LITTLE ON THE STANCE AGAINST COMMON SENSE REFORMS? ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, IN RECENT YEARS, I THINK WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE POLICE EXECUTIVE RESEARCH FORUM AND ANOTHER, UM, UH, ORGANIZATION CALLED THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, BOTH OF WHICH APD USES FOR ITS TRAINING PURPOSES. UM, THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, BASE THEIR TRAINING MATERIALS OFF OF, UM, UH, UM, MATERIALS FROM THOSE GROUPS. UM, THEY CAME OUT AND, UM, IN FAVOR OF REQUIRING THINGS LIKE DEESCALATION FOR USE OF FORCE ENCOUNTERS, AND LEXIPOL HAS COME OUT AGAINST, UM, REQUIRING DEESCALATION AND USE OF FORCE ENCOUNTERS. OKAY. AND APD, HIS POSITION IS APD, UM, TENS. WELL, THAT'S A QUESTION. SO APD REQUIRES THAT OFFICERS ATTEMPT TO DEESCALATE, BUT IT'S STILL NOT A COMPLETE REQUIREMENT. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IN OUR USE OF FORCE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS LAST YEAR. OKAY. SO ARE THERE PLANS, OR MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IS COMMISSION TO, UM, STRONGLY OFFER THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY DO UTILIZE THE ESCALATION PROCEDURES OR POLICIES, UM, GOING FORWARD? I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS THE QUESTION TO THE COMMISSIONERS OR TO ME, BUT WE DID IT ACTUALLY TO YOU GUYS, BUT IT WAS ALSO A COMMENT ERIC, FOR US TO TABLE IT FOR A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON OUR PART. SO YES, WE, UM, REALLY START PHASE THREE REPORT RELATED TO THE FORCE POLICIES. UM, LAST YEAR, OCTOBER, I BELIEVE. AND, UM, WE REITERATED THE RECOMMENDATION THAT APB REQUIRED DEESCALATION YOU AND I RATED THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED AS POLICY TO DATE CORRECTLY. APD HAS CORRECT. APD HAS NOT RESPONDED TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS FOR NOW. SO SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL THE END TO ASK FURTHER QUESTIONS SO YOU CAN GET THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION? IS THAT THE BEST WAY YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THIS? [00:15:01] HOW IS THAT THE CURRENT PAY POLICY OR SO, UM, THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW I'VE EXPERIENCED IT IN THE PAST, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S PROTOCOL FOR THE COMMISSION AS TO, TO THAT PROCESS. I'M HAPPY TO DO IT EITHER WAY. I'LL HOLD OFF. JUST GO AHEAD. I DID SEE THERE WAS ONE OTHER HAND UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT NOW, OR IT WAS, IT WAS ME. I WENT TO THE END. THAT'S ABOUT WHAT RICHARD WAS ASKING ABOUT, ABOUT LEXICAL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND I THINK WE'RE ON THE SLIDE THAT FOLLOWS THIS ONE. THERE WE GO. UM, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE TOUCHING ON THE SECOND FINDING, WHICH, UM, IS RELATED TO ALIGNING PURPOSE WITH PRIORITIES. SO, UM, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS ALIGNING THE PURPOSE OF A POLICY WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND AGENCY PRIORITIES. SO MOST, IF NOT ALL APD POLICIES BEGIN WITH A SECTION CALLED PURPOSE OF SCOPE, AND THAT SETS OUT THE PURPOSE OF THE POLICY AND DESCRIBES WHAT IT COVERS. SO PURPOSE STATEMENTS, AS WE KNOW, SET THE TONE FOR A POLICY AND AN UNFOCUSED PURPOSE STATEMENT CAN LEAD TO CONFUSING AND CONTRADICTORY POLICIES. AND WE SAW THIS PLAY OUT IN APS, CURRENT POLICIES FOR CAMERA USE. SO OPO FOUND THAT THE PURPOSE STATEMENTS FOR APDS BODY-WORN CAMERA AND DASHBOARD CAMERA POLICIES, LACK, FOCUS, AND DON'T ALIGN WITH CITYWIDE PUBLIC SAFETY GOALS. SO THE BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY FOCUSES ON CAPABILITIES, NOT REALLY PRIORITIES. IT SAYS THINGS LIKE THE SYSTEM PROVIDES X, THE RECORDINGS CAN BE USEFUL FOR X AND THE DASHBOARD CAMERA POLICY REALLY FOCUSES SOLELY ON THE BENEFITS TO OFFICERS. THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS COMMITTED TO REDUCING THE UNNECESSARY USE OF FORCE, ELIMINATING RACIAL DISPARITIES IN POLICING, AND, UM, THOSE SORTS OF METRICS AND, UM, USED CORRECTLY. WE FOUND THAT BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS CAN POTENTIALLY HELP THE CITY ACHIEVE THESE METRICS BY ENSURING MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND BY NOT PROVIDING A FOCUSED PURPOSE, EPDS CURRENT POLICIES, DON'T HAVE A WHY TO GUIDE HOW AND, UM, HOW BODY-WORN CAMERAS IN DASHBOARD CAMS ARE USED. AND THE RESULT IS OFTEN UNCLEAR GUIDELINES. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, OPO RECOMMENDS THAT AP REVISE THE CURRENT PURPOSE STATEMENTS TO MAKE THEM CLEAR AND IN LINE WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN INITIATIVES AND GOALS, AS IT RELATES TO THOSE PUBLIC SAFETY METRICS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OUR THIRD FINDING IS AGAIN ABOUT MAKING CLEAR POLICIES, BUT ALSO IN THIS CASE, ENSURING THAT THOSE POLICIES ALIGN WITH THE LAW. SO HERE APPEAL FOUND THAT AP POLICY NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO ALIGN WITH RECENT STATE LEGISLATION AND PROVIDE MORE CLARITY WHERE THE LAW IS LACKING. AND IN PARTICULAR, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE PASSED HOUSE BILL 9 29, WHICH IS THE BUFFUM JOHN ACT IN 2021. AND IT TOOK EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2021, THE LAW AMENDED SECTIONS OF THE TEXAS OCCUPATIONS CODE, WHICH DISCUSSES BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND UNDER THE NEW LAW OFFICERS THAT ARE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN AN INVESTIGATION MUST KEEP THE BODY-WORN CAMERA ACTIVATED FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THEIR ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN THE INVESTIGATION. UNLESS THE CAMERA HAS BEEN DEACTIVATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICY. THE BILL ALSO STRUCK OUT THE PROVISION OF THE LAW THAT PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED OFFICERS TO DISTANCE WHEN YOU ARE RECORDING BASED ON WHETHER THEY'RE IN A QUOTE UNQUOTE NON-CONFRONTATIONAL ENCOUNTER. SO INSTEAD OFFICERS MAY CHOOSE TO DISCONTINUE A RECORDING FOR ANY ENCOUNTER WITH A PERSON THAT IS NOT RELATED TO AN INVESTIGATION. A COUPLE OF IMPORTANT THINGS TO NOTE HERE THAT BALL FROM JOAN ACT DOES NOT DEFINE KEY PHRASES LIKE ACTIVE PARTICIPATION OR INVESTIGATION. AND WE FOUND NO DEFINITIONS FOR THOSE TERMS IN OTHER OLD LAWS AS WELL. AND TO DATE, UH, APD HAS NOT, UM, REVISE ITS POLICY TO ALIGN WITH THIS NEW LAW. AND SO, AS A RESULT, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS BEGIN WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO UPDATE THE BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY, TO ALIGN WITH THE BOSTON JOHN ACT. AND WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT SINCE IT APPEARS THAT TEXAS LAW DOES NOT DEFINE PERTINENT TERMS USED THAT APD DEFINE THOSE TERMS TO PROVIDE CLARITY. SO TERMS LIKE ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN INVESTIGATION OPO ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT APS ARE HARNESS POLICY REMEDY THE WEAKNESSES OF THE STATUTE SPECIFICALLY IT'S SOMEWHAT CYCLICAL NATURE. SO AS YOU MIGHT'VE HEARD, WHEN I WAS READING AS YOUR, EXCUSE ME, AS YOU MIGHT'VE HEARD WHEN I WAS SPEAKING, WHEREAS YOU'VE BEEN READING [00:20:01] YOURSELF ON THE SLIDE, THE NEW LAW LAYS OUT A RULE ABOUT WHEN OFFICERS MUST ACTIVATE THEIR CAMERA. AND THEN IT SEEMS TO SORT OF UNDERMINE THAT RULE BY SAYING, UNLESS THE CAMERA HAS BEEN ACTIVATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICY. SO THIS WORDING WOULD SEEM, UM, BY SOME READINGS TO ALLOW EACH POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE SORT OF THE PARAMETERS OF ITS ACTIVATION POLICY, DESPITE WHAT THE LONG WAYS OUT AND BUS KIND OF IMPACT IN A NEGATIVE WAY. THE EFFECTIVENESS AND WE ASK HERE FROM OUR OFFICE IS FOR APD TO LAY OUT CLEAR PARAMETERS ON RECORDING. DON'T CONTRADICT THIS NEW LAW. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE FOURTH FINDING IS RELATED TO HOW APDS CURRENT POLICIES DEFINE TERMS RELATED TO STARTING AND STOPPING AND RECORDING. OPL FOUND HERE THAT IN MANY CASES, TURNS ARE NOT DEFINED AT ALL. SO TERMS THAT HAVE A UNIQUE MEANING SUCH THAT THEY ARE DEFINED IN THE RELEVANT USER MANUALS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, CONSENSUAL OR EXCUSE ME, POWER ON POWER OFF DEACTIVATION DISCONTINUE TERMS LIKE THOSE SHOULD ALSO BE DEFINED IN POLICY. AND THE POLICY ALSO USES TERMS LIKE CONSENSUAL CONTACT AND, UM, BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PERMIT OFFICERS TO RECORD IN CERTAIN INSTANCES. BUT THOSE TERMS ARE NOT DEFINED AS EITHER CURRENT POLICY POLICY ALSO DOES NOT PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO SUPERVISORS IN AUTHORIZING THE DEACTIVATION OF DASHBOARD CAMERAS AND BODY-WORN CAMERA AUDIO. AND YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING WHY DOES THIS MATTER? WELL, UM, OFFICERS MAY DEACTIVATE AUDIO, UM, OF EITHER OF THOSE CAMERAS FOR QUOTE UNQUOTE ADMINISTRATIVE REASONS AND UNDER POLICY AND ADMINISTRATIVE REASON CAN BE A PERSONAL CONVERSATION, UM, EMPLOYEE TO EMPLOYEE TRAINING, OR ANY REASON AUTHORIZED BY A SUPERVISOR. AND UNFORTUNATELY IN POLICY, THERE'S NO FURTHER GUIDANCE GIVEN FOR WHAT REASONS ITS SUPERVISOR WOULD BE PERMITTED TO AUTHORIZE DEACTIVATION OF THE AUDIO AS A RESULT HERE. THEN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THE AP POLICY REVISED TO DEFINE THOSE TERMS NECESSARY TO UNDERSTANDING WHEN RECORDING IS REQUIRED NEXT TIME. SO I FIT FINDING IS ALSO RELATED TO STARTING AND STOPPING RECORDING, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE AMOUNT OF OFFICER DISCRETION PERMITTED UNDER CURRENT POLICY OPO FOUND HERE THAT CURRENT POLICY ALLOWS OFFICERS TOO MUCH DISCRETION IN OUR OPINION, IN DECIDING WHEN TO ACTIVATE OR DEACTIVATE THEIR BODY ON CAMERAS. WE JUST DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF DEFINITIONS FOR TERMS LIKE CONSENSUAL AND BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND BY NOT DEFINING OR PROVIDING PARAMETERS HERE, APD POLICY, IT REALLY LEAVES IT TO OFFICERS TO DECIDE WHETHER TO ACTIVATE THEIR CAMERA. THEN BEGIN RECORDING IN THESE INSTANCES, OFFICERS ARE ALSO LEFT TO DECIDE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE ACTIVATION AND HERE APD POLICY PROVIDES THAT OFFICERS CAN STOP RECORDING WHEN AN INCIDENT HAS CONCLUDED. UM, SO APD IS DEFINITION OF A CONCLUSION IS A TIME WHEN ALL ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND ARRESTEES HAVE BEEN TRANSPORTED AND WHEN NO FURTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS LIKELY TO OCCUR, BUT USING THESE DEFINITIONS, IT REALLY IS LARGELY LEFT TO OFFICERS TO DECIDE WHETHER THE CONCLUSION OF INCIDENT HAS OCCURRED, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE NO ARRESTS MADE AS A RESULT. UM, OUR, UH, ON THIS POINT ARE THE APD POLICY BUREAU ADVISED TO LIMIT OFFICER DISCRETION IN ACTIVATING AND DEACTIVATING BODY-WORN CAMERAS, UH, AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS. AND WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT POLICY REQUIRE OFFICERS TO ACTIVATE THEIR VOLUME AND CAMERAS, UM, TO EVERY, FOR EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERACTION. AND WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS BASICALLY ANY INTERACTION WHEN THEY'RE HAVING, UM, UH, AN INTERACTION WITH COMMUNITY WHILE ON DUTY. AND THAT WOULD BE UNLESS A SPECIFIC EXCEPTION APPLIES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT WOULD CONTRADICT STATE LAW, AND IN THAT WE'RE THINKING SPECIFICALLY HERE ABOUT THINGS LIKE PRIVACY CONSIDERATIONS, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OUR SIXTH FINDING IS RELATED TO THE WRITTEN RECORDS OF KIMRA NEWS. OPO FOUND THAT APDS CURRENT POLICIES DO NOT REQUIRE OFFICERS TO REPORT ONE THAT AN INCIDENT WAS RECORDED ON BODY-WORN OR DASHBOARD CAMERAS. AND TO THE FIFTH, THERE WAS A FAILURE TO RECORD ON BODY-WORN OR DASHBOARD CAMERAS. SO, AND IMPORTANTLY, THE SECOND POINT, UH, TIES BACK TO OUR THIRD FINDING ABOUT POLICIES THAT ALIGN WITH THE LAW. SO TEXAS LAW REQUIRES THAT OFFICERS WHO DO NOT ACTIVATE THEIR BODY-WORN [00:25:01] CAMERA IN RESPONSE TO A CALL FOR SERVICE, UM, DOCUMENT THE REASON FOR NOT ACTIVATING THE CAMERA AND APDS CURRENT POLICY REQUIRES THAT OFFICERS DOCUMENT, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, DELAYS IN RECORDING, BUT NOT A COMPLETE FAILURE TO RECORD. AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DELAYS HERE, DOES IT DO THE WORK OF BROADENING THE SCOPE OF THE POLICY WHEN COMPARED TO STATE LAW? SO THE PLANE MEANING AS WE KNOW OF, OF THE WORD DELAY, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS LATER OR IT OCCURS MORE SLOWLY THAN NORMAL. AND THE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION HERE IS THAT A DELAYED RECORDING MEANS THAT THE RECORDING'S STILL OCCURRED. AND WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES IS THAT THE OFFICE OF DOCUMENTED REASON FOR NOT ACTIVATING THE CAMERA AT ALL. AND WE SAW WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT OTHER, UH, TEXAS POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICIES THAT THEY REQUIRED OFFICERS TO RECORD BOTH DELAYS, UH, AND COMPLETE FAILURES TO RECORD, OR THAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING. THEY REQUIRED OFFICERS TO DOCUMENT BOTH DELAYS IN REPORTING AND COMPLETE FAILURES TO RECORD. SO IN THAT WE FOUND THAT IN SOME WAYS THAT SUPPORTS OUR READING OF THE LAW AND THE SHORTCOMINGS OF APDS, CURRENT POLICY, UH, WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT APD POLICY BE REVISED TO REQUIRE OFFICERS TO REPORT THE USE OF BODY-WORN IN DASHBOARD CAMERAS. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS RESPOND TO ALL KINDS OF INCIDENTS AND VIDEO FOOTAGE PROVIDES REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC PROSECUTORS, APD AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. AND HAVING A WRITTEN RECORD OF WHETHER THIS FOOTAGE EXISTS IS IMPORTANT. IF FOR EXAMPLE, FOOTAGE IS MISCATEGORIZED OR IT'S NOT UPLOADED, UM, IN THE CADENCE THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE UPLOADED APPEAL ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THE POLICY BE REVISED TO REQUIRE OFFICERS TO REPORT AND EXPLAIN REASONS FOR DELAYS AND RECORDING FAILURES TO RECORD AND ANY STARTS AND STOPS AND RECORDING DURING A SITUATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE IT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO OUR SEVEN FINDING IS RELATED TO TELLING FOLKS THAT THEY'RE BEING RECORDED APS CURRENT POLICY ON THIS TOPIC IS TITLED ADVISEMENT AND CONSENT AND THE POLICY ADVISES, BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE OFFICERS TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE BEING RECORDED. IT ALSO DOES NOT DISCUSS CONSENT AT ALL. THE POLICY ALSO DOES NOT GIVE GUIDANCE ON HOW OR WHEN OFFICERS SHOULD GIVE AN ADVISEMENT. UM, OPO DID NOT TAKE A POSITION ON WHETHER AN ADVISEMENT SHOULD BE REQUIRED. WE ARE INTERESTED IN SEEKING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON THIS POINT. HOWEVER, IF OFFICERS ARE ADVISED TO DELIVER NOTIFICATION THAT THEY'RE RECORDING, WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY BE REQUIRED TO GIVE IT IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES TRANSPARENCY AND YOU'RE RESPECTFUL AND COURTEOUS. WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE ADVISEMENT BE GIVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE INTERACTION, IDEALLY AS PART OF AN OFFICER'S INTRODUCTION. AND WE SIMILARLY RECOMMEND THAT THE POLICY PROVIDE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE FOR OFFICERS TO USE SEPARATELY HERE. WE RECOMMEND THAT THE WORD CONSENT BE REMOVED FROM THE TITLE SINCE THE POLICY DOES NOT DISCUSS IT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OUR EIGHTH FINDING IS RELATED TO THE INSPECTIONS OF CAMERA RECORDINGS HERE. OPO FOUND ABOUT THE GENERAL ORDERS DO NOT HAVE A POLICY REQUIRING OFFICERS TO CONDUCT INSPECTIONS OF DASHBOARD CAMERA RECORDINGS. UM, BUT THEY DO HAVE A POLICY REQUIREMENT, SUPERVISORY INSPECTIONS OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA RECORDINGS. YOU RECOMMEND THAT THE GENERAL ORDERS BE UPDATED TO INCLUDE A POLICY THAT REQUIRES THE INSPECTION OF BOTH BODY-WORN CAMERA AND DASHBOARD CAMERA RECORDINGS. AND THIS IS BECAUSE DASHBOARD CAMERAS CAN CAPTURE THINGS THAT BODY WORN CAMERAS MAY NOT OR CANNOT. AND SINCE THEY CAPTURE DIFFERENT THINGS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT DASHBOARD CAMERAS ARE WORKING PROPERLY. AND SO INSPECTIONS OF DASHBOARD CAMERA RECORDINGS WOULD ALLOW SUPERVISORS TO CONFIRM THAT OFFICERS ARE TESTING THE EQUIPMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR SHIFTS AS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO AND IDENTIFY TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES OR POTENTIAL MISCONDUCT SLIGHTLY. SO OUR LAST FINDING IS RELATED TO ENFORCEMENT AND DISCIPLINE, AND HERE OPO FOUND THAT CURRENT POLICIES DO NOT SUPPORT CONSISTENCY OR TRANSPARENCY AND ENFORCEMENT AND DISCIPLINE. AND WHILE APD HAS THE OPTION TO INVESTIGATE THE CURRENT POLICIES DON'T REQUIRE INVESTIGATIONS INTO POTENTIAL MISCONDUCT AS IT RELATES TO BODY WORN AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS. UM, AP CAN CLOSE CASES WITHOUT DISCIPLINE OR DISCIPLINE OFFICERS WITHOUT AN INVESTIGATION. THIS MATTERS BECAUSE POLICIES, AS WE KNOW, DON'T REALLY MEAN MUCH IF THEY'RE NOT ENFORCED AND PROPER ENFORCEMENT REALLY REQUIRES CONSISTENT AND TRANSPARENT [00:30:01] APPLICATION AND DISCIPLINE, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN SEEING AS IT RELATES TO VIOLATIONS OF THESE CAMERA POLICIES. UM, MOREOVER, UH, GIVEN THAT BODY-WORN AND, UH, DASHBOARD CAMERA VIOLATIONS ARE SOME OF THE FEW POLICIES THAT ARE DISCIPLINED DIFFERENTLY BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE AN INTENTIONAL OR UNINTENTIONAL VIOLATION. IT'S ALL THE MORE REASON, UM, TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION, TO INQUIRE AS TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE VIOLATION, LIKE FIVE THINGS. SO THAT SUMMARIZES WHAT WE COVERED IN OUR PHASE ONE REPORT. UM, THE REPORT ALSO DID, DOES INCLUDE BROTHER, UH, AN APPENDIX WHERE WE PROVIDED EXAMPLES OF OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS, POLICIES THAT CAPTURED SORT OF THE ESSENCE OF OUR RECOMMENDATION. UM, AND FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE EXAMPLES, BUT THEY ARE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL IN OUR REPORT AND WE PUBLISHED THE REPORT IN THE END OF JANUARY. AND SO WE ARE NOW IN PHASE TWO OF OUR THREE PHASE PROCESS AND THAT'S OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CAMPAIGN. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THERE ARE A FEW WAYS THAT WE'RE COLLECTING COMMUNITY INPUT AND WE INVITE EVERYONE TO GET INVOLVED AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON BOTH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THESE CURRENT POLICIES AND YOU CAN DO SO BY FIRST, BY TAKING OUR SURVEY, THE DIGITAL VERSION IS AVAILABLE AND SPEAK UP AUSTIN AND THE PRINT VERSION IS AVAILABLE AT AUSTIN PUBLIC LIBRARY BENCHES. WE ALSO INVITE EVERYONE TO ATTEND OUR TWO REMAINING VIRTUAL EVENTS ON MARCH 9TH AND MARCH 16TH AT 6:00 PM. WE PROVIDE ASL AND SPANISH INTERPRETATION AS A DEFAULT AND THE INTERPRETATION, UM, FOR OTHER LANGUAGES BY REQUEST, YOU CAN REGISTER FOR THE EVENTS, UH, VIA THE LINK PROVIDED THERE ON THE POWERPOINT SLIDE. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'LL JUST JUMP IN. UM, HI, I'M SARAH. AND THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DID PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. UM, I CAN TELL THAT TOOK A LOT OF WORK. UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SLIDE, ABOUT THE LEXIPOL AND THE COMMON SENSE KIND OF REFORM THAT YOU MENTIONED. AND SO IS THE COMMON SENSE REFORM. I THINK THAT'S THE PHRASE YOU USED, SO THAT'S WHY I'M USING IT. UH, IS THAT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE OR WITH THE DEESCALATION? IS THAT THE MAIN DIFFERENCE OR ARE THERE OTHER DIFFERENCES AS WELL WITH LEXICAL? SO, UM, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE ESCALATION, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THE FACT THAT THOSE TWO, UM, SORT OF YOU THING, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I WANNA USE FORCES THE POLICE EXECUTIVE RESEARCH FORUM AND THE ISCP. THEY BOTH HAVE COME OUT AND RECOMMENDED THAT THE ESCALATION BE A REQUIREMENT DURING, UM, UM, USE OF FORCE EVENTS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY USE OF FORCE EVENT IS GOING TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL, UM, USE OF DEESCALATION, RIGHT. IT JUST MEANS THAT OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO TRY TO USE THOSE, THOSE, UM, TACTICS AND TOOLS. UM, WHEREAS FLEXIBLE HAS COME OUT AND SAID, YOU SHOULD NOT MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OF SORT OF THE RISK MANAGEMENT LENS THAT THEY HAVE. SO FOR DEESCALATION, YES, I THINK THAT THAT IS THE MAIN, UM, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE. UM, THERE'S ALSO, AND I, AT THIS HOUR, I'M HAVING TROUBLE KIND OF PULLING IT FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THERE'S OTHER DIFFERENCES ALSO BETWEEN LIKE SUPPOSE APPROACH AND THE APPROACH OF THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY KIND OF AT ODDS, BECAUSE AS I SAID, APD, UM, YOU KNOW, PAUL'S TRAINING MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM ISEP AND FROM PERF AND YET THEIR POLICIES ARE, UM, LARGELY INFORMED BY THESE FLEXIBLE TEMPLATES. AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT THERE THAT IS TROUBLING. SO THAT KINDA LEADS ME TO MY OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS THAT, ARE THERE OTHER, IS LEXIPOL THE MAIN KIND OF MANUAL WRITING COMPANY OUT THERE? ARE THERE OTHER ONES THAT ALIGN WITH THE COMMON SENSE REFORM THAT APD COULD BE USING? MAYBE THEY JUST NEED TO SHOP THIS AROUND A LITTLE BIT, UH, OR AS LEXIPOL LIKE, IT THAT'S A GREAT POINT. UM, LEXAPRO, NOT ALL DEPARTMENTS USE LEXIPOL THEY DO HAVE A PRETTY WIDE CLIENT BASE. UM, BUT, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO FOR PHASE THREE, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. UM, WE DO KNOW THAT THE CURRENT CONTRACT WITH FLEXIBLE IN THE CITY, I THINK GOES TO 20, 22 OR 2023, I BELIEVE 2022. UM, SO IT'S CURRENT. UM, AND SO, UM, OH, IT'S ONE POINT I WAS GONNA TOUCH ON THAT. UM, BUT WE, SO WE DO KNOW THAT OFTEN, LIKE WHEN, UH, WHEN A POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, [00:35:01] HAS GONE THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, A FEDERAL CONSENT DECREE BAY AND THEY EMPLOY, UM, A MORE, UM, COMMUNITY INFORMED POLICYMAKING PROCESS WHERE THEY PROPOSED DRAFTS OF POLICY LANGUAGE TO COMMUNITY FIRST, BEFORE IMPLEMENTING THEM, AND THEY TAKE COMMON THE SORT OF THOSE THINGS ON THE FRONT END. AND THAT'S SORT OF THE THING WE'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING, UM, WHAT COMMUNITY'S THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THAT KIND OF A PROCESS COMPARED TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S REWRITE PROCESS, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE RETROACTIVE, BUT SORT OF TO BRING IT BACK HOME AND TIE UP THE POINT. UM, LEXIPOL IS, UH, SORT OF A BIG PLAYER IN THE POLICY MAKING, WRITING PROCESS, BUT IT'S STILL LARGELY DOES MARKET TO SORT OF SMALLER POLICE DEPARTMENTS. UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IN PHASE THREE IS KIND OF QUERYING THE OTHER LARGE DEPARTMENTS, NOT JUST IN, UH, TEXAS, WHAT ARE THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING OUR POOL OF 15 TO SEE WHAT ELSE FOLKS ARE USING. GREAT. I CAN'T, I WANT TO, UM, FOLLOW SARAH'S QUESTION BECAUSE THAT WAS, WAS KIND OF WHAT I WAS WONDERING AS WELL. SO, UM, I IMAGINE THAT, THAT THIS IS A WHOLE INDUSTRY, RIGHT? AND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES CONSULTANTS AND THINGS THAT, THAT MAKE CAREERS OUT OF MAKING, YOU KNOW, BOILER PLATE TEMPLATES AND SUCH. UM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS SAY, WELL, WHAT WOULD BE LIKE THE ROADBLOCKS, UM, OR INCENTIVES FOR DEPARTMENTS FOR APD TO, UM, DEVELOP THEIR OWN TEMPLATES WITH THE COMMUNITY INPUT INSTEAD OF OUTSOURCING, UM, FOR BOILERPLATE TEMPLATES, UH, OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN BEST PRACTICES OF LIKE GETTING IT, YOU KNOW, UH, INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WOULD BE LIKE AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO WANT TO DO THAT? I THINK, UM, I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE ROBOTS FIRST. I THINK THE, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ROADBLOCK WOULD BE TIME. UM, AND THAT'S SORT OF HOW LIKE THE WHOLE MARKETS ITSELF IS TIME-SAVING. SO THEY UPDATE THEIR, YOU KNOW, TEMPLATES TO CLIENTS, UM, AS THEY'RE MADE AWARE OF CHANGES IN THE LAW, UM, AS IT RELATES TO AP FORMULATING ITS OWN POLICY, WE KNOW FROM LOOKING AT THE VOLUME AND CAMERA POLICY AND DASHBOARD CAMERA POLICY IN PARTICULAR THAT, UM, AND OTHER POLICIES IN THE GENERAL ORDERS THAT APD ALREADY DOES SORT OF MODIFY ITS POLICIES TO SOME EXTENT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY, UM, SEEMS TO BE AN AGAIN FOR PHASE THREE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO DO LIKE A SORT OF LINE BY LINE COMPARISON. UM, IT SEEMS TO BE A COMBINATION OF LEXIPOL APD AND THEN THE, UM, T COLE, TEXAS COMMISSION ON LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEIR MODEL POLICY. UM, AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S, UM, OR I HAVEN'T BEEN MADE AWARE RATHER OF A BARRIER AS IT RELATES TO SORT OF, UM, BEYOND TIME, WHAT WOULD CAUSE APD TO NOT WANT TO, UM, EMPLOY A DIFFERENT PROCESS? I THINK IT'S A CONVENIENCE THING. UM, LEXICAL ALSO LIKE ALONG, YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO SORT OF DIFFERENT PRODUCTS. UM, AND ONE OF THE OTHER ONES THAT YOU COULD USE SUBSCRIBES TO A SORT OF, UM, UH, I FORGOT THE ACTUAL TERM USE, BUT LIKE UPDATES TO, UH, WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. SO UPDATES ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE LINES. SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE A, UM, CONSISTENT, OR LIKE CONSTANTLY, UM, MESSAGE OUT OF LIKE WHAT DIFFERENT POLICIES MEAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S LOOKING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THOSE CONTRACTS AS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WANT TO DO IN PHASE THREE, BUT, UM, THOSE, THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER AT THIS POINT. OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I SEE SYLVIA HAS A QUESTION. UM, SO I'M NOT SURE IF I MISSED IT IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON, OR LET ME SPEAK FOR MYSELF THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS ON KIND OF LOOKING AT GENERAL ORDERS AROUND A BODY-WORN CAMERA IS THE ISSUE ABOUT IF THERE'S A, UM, AN ISSUE WITH TECH TECHNICAL ISSUES OR BATTERIES BECOMING DEPLETED THAT, UM, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO NOTIFY SUPERVISORS? UM, I DON'T THINK I SAW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT IN THE, UM, IN THE SLIDES. WAS THERE, DID YOU GUYS FIND ANYTHING ABOUT THAT OR, OR ADDRESS THAT IN YOUR FINDINGS ABOUT, UM, ABOUT TECHNICAL ISSUES OR BATTERY ISSUES AND ADDRESSING THAT? UH, YEAH. SO, UM, AS IT RELATES TO BODY WORN CAMERAS, UM, I BELIEVE ABOUT SORT OF WHEN THE BATTERY ISSUE WOULD COME INTO PLAY, UM, FOR THE MOST PART. AND IT DOES TALK ABOUT, UM, SORT OF, UM, ISSUES RELATED TO MALFUNCTIONING EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE THERE'S JUST A CONSTANT ISSUE WITH THE CAPACITY OF, OF THE CAMERA AS IT RELATES TO THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY A SUPERVISOR OF THOSE ISSUES BEFORE THEY, UM, GO OUT INTO THE FIELD WITH THAT DEVICE. YEAH, I THINK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE HAD [00:40:01] FOUND IS THAT THESE TECHNICALLY IN GENERAL ORDERS, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF WE WERE SEEING A CONSISTENCY IN THAT BEING THE CASE OR BEING FOLLOWED THROUGH AND THE DISCIPLINE MATRIX. I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT, UM, SO YES, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MISSING FROM THESE POLICIES AND FROM A LOT OF AP POLICIES IN GENERAL IS SORT OF THE SUPERVISOR COMPONENT AND, UM, HOLDING SUPERVISORS ACCOUNTABLE AS IT RELATES TO THAT, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THE CAMERA IS BEING USED PROPERLY. THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING THEIR 10 41 CHECKS AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR SHIFT, UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND SO, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ACCOUNTABILITY, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TIE SUPERVISORS INTO THAT LOOP. AND TO, AS I SAID, UM, REALLY HAVE CONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT THAT'S PREDICTABLE. SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IF THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, UM, FOUND TO HAVE VIOLATED A POLICY. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UM, SYLVIA SPEAK. I THINK I WAS JUST ADDING A POSSIBLE, UH, REASON IT, WHICH I PUT IN THE CHAT THERE FOR APD NOT MAYBE WANTING TO, UH, CHANGE POLICIES AND JUST MAYBE TO REDUCE LIABILITY OR RISK OF LITIGATION. THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS I'M SORRY. OH, NO, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT WAS ONE OF THE PIECES THAT YOU HAD POINTED OUT. YES. UM, I WILL SAY TOO, UM, BASED ON THE RESEARCH WE DID, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND WAS THAT, UM, LEXIPOL APPARENTLY DOESN'T, UM, IN ITS CONTRACTS LIST ITSELF AS THE POLICYMAKERS, THAT TITLE REMAINS WITH THE DEPARTMENT, EVEN THOUGH THEIR LEXIPOL POLICIES, UM, YOU KNOW, OFFENSIVELY THAT ARE BEING USED BY THE DEPARTMENT. UM, AND TO TIE INTO THAT, THE CONTRACTS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEN GO ON TO SAY THAT, UM, IF THE, YOU KNOW, IF THE DEPARTMENT FINDS ITSELF IN LITIGATION RELATED TO THE POLICIES, THAT LEXICAL IS NOT RESPONSIBLE, SO IN TERMS OF RISK MANAGEMENT, UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TOO. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S ALL RIGHT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST BRINGS TO MIND THIS FAIRLY RECENT REPORT FROM CRO, UH, WHERE THEY IDENTIFY SOME TROUBLESOME TRENDS AND USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AND ONE OF THEM IS AROUND BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND WHICH IN THOSE INCIDENTS, 15 OF THEM, UH, OR, UM, INVOLVING A FAILURE TO ACTIVATE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, UM, WHICH I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ALSO SPEAKS TO THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE POLICIES, ARE YOU ALSO THINKING ABOUT DISCIPLINARY MATRIX CHANGES OR RECOMMENDATIONS, OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE IN LINE WITH, UM, THIS ISSUE, ESPECIALLY AS IT REACHES THIS LEVEL WHERE OF, YOU KNOW, THE 112 BOTHERSOME TROUBLESOME CASES THAT 15 OF THEM HAVE TO DO SPECIFICALLY WITH BODY QMS? UM, SO I THINK AS A WHOLE APPEAL TENDS TO TAKE ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT THE DISCIPLINE MATRIX ISN'T REALLY EXPANSIVE. IT COVERS SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COMMONLY USED, UH, NOT ALL OF THEM. UM, AND IT'S NOT APPLIED CONSISTENTLY. SO IN OUR REPORT, WE TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UM, THE DEPARTMENT'S PAST USE OF THE, UH, SUPERVISOR FOR A MINOR POLICY VIOLATION CLASSIFICATION. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE DISCIPLINE MATRIX AT ALL. AND SO YES, AS PART OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, I THINK I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LIKE THE SORT OF, UM, LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE THAT'S, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND ALSO LIKE WHO IS INVOLVED IN THAT DISCIPLINARY PROCESS? CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THEY IDENTIFIED THAT THE SUPERVISORS WEREN'T ADDRESSING THESE AS WELL, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT JUST THE OFFICER, BUT IT'S ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T IDENTIFY THEM. AS YOU SAID, THERE ARE SUPERVISORY ISSUES AT PLAY HERE TOO. SO, UH, IS THE MATRIX MORE EXPANSIVE IN THAT WAY? UH, IN THE SAME WAY, LIKE A FAILURE TO INTERVENE WOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST INCLUDE THE OFFICER WHO IS POSSIBLY DOING SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE, BUT THE OFFICERS WHO STAND BY, I THINK IT SHOULD. YES. THERE'S POLICIES THAT, [00:45:01] THAT, UM, ASSIGN OBLIGATIONS TO SUPERVISORS EITHER IT RELATES TO THE REVIEW OF BODY-WORN CAMERA RECORDING. SO AS I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN THE, UM, I THINK THE EIGHTH, UM, FINDING, UM, THOSE INSPECTIONS OF, OF CAMERA RECORDINGS FOR BODY-WORN CAMERAS FOR DASH AND WHAT SHOULD BE FOR DASHBOARD CAMERAS AS WELL, PROVIDE ANOTHER LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY. UM, AND SO, BECAUSE THERE ARE POLICIES THAT REQUIRE THEIR SUPERVISOR, OFFICERS, SUPERVISORS TO DO THESE INSPECTIONS, THERE SHOULD BE IN THE DISCIPLINE MATRIX AND ASSOCIATED DISCIPLINE FOR SUPERVISORS, UM, AND BEING THAT THERE'S NOT. AND WE SEE SORT OF IN PRACTICE, UM, THAT SUPERVISORS ARE OFTEN NOT THE SOURCE OF, YOU KNOW, A COMPLAINT OR, UM, A DIRECT DIRECTLY A COMPLAINT OR, UM, A SOURCE OF, UM, A SUBJECT OF DISCIPLINE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOES, THERE IS SORT OF A GAP THERE. UM, AND THE BUCK SEEMS TO STOP WITH THE OFFICER, WHICH IN MANY CASES MAY BE YOUR CASE, BUT SUPERVISORS HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY IN THIS TOO. AND, UM, THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I'M SORRY THAT I KEEP ASKING YOU, UH, SO YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR, IN YOUR POWERPOINT ABOUT FOCUS POLICY, LIKE THE POLICY WASN'T FOCUSED, YOU SAID THE, I THINK YOU USED THE WORD. WELL, I WROTE DOWN LACK FOCUS. AND SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I WASN'T EXACTLY TRACKING WITH WHAT Y'ALL MEANT BY THAT. SO CAN YOU KIND OF EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE MORE, LIKE WHAT THAT MEANS OR WHAT IT MEANS TO, I MEAN, I DON'T WRITE POLICY, SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS I DON'T QUITE GET IT, BUT COULD YOU EXPAND ON IT A LITTLE MORE? ABSOLUTELY. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE SAW WITH BOTH THE DASHBOARD CAMERA AND PROBABLY WITH THE CAMERA STATEMENTS WAS A LIST OF SORT OF ALL THE THINGS THAT THE EQUIPMENT CAN DO. AND HE CAN, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE AN OBJECTIVE VIEW BECAUSE THEY ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, RECORDING WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY CAN HELP OFFICERS SUPPLEMENT THEIR REPORTS, THEY CAN DO SO LISTING ALL SORTS OF THE CAPABILITIES OF THE CAMERAS AND NOT REALLY EXPLAINING. HERE'S WHY APD HAS, THIS HAS IMPLEMENTED THIS PROGRAM. HERE'S WHY WE CARE ABOUT THIS. HERE'S WHY WE WANT OFFICERS TO USE THIS EQUIPMENT. HERE'S WHY WE'RE SPENDING THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON IT, BUT WE'RE SPENDING, SO, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, I WAS, SO YOU WANT THE POLICY TO INCLUDE THE MISSION AS WELL, OR, OR BE INCORPORATED INTO THE LIGHT. THIS IS WHY WE BELIEVE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. SO WE CITED, UM, SOME, SOME PURPOSING FROM, I BELIEVE HOUSTON AND MEMPHIS AND MY FOOT IN PARTICULAR HAD A REALLY GOOD ONE. UM, HOUSTON ALSO IT ENFORCED SOME, UH, OR LAID OUT SOME SORT OF, UM, OBLIGATION AND CREATED OBLIGATION ON THE PART OF THE DEPARTMENT. WE ARE USING THESE CAMERAS FOR THIS PURPOSE HERE AS OUR FOCUS IN USING THEM. AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM APD IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, JUST, UH, NOT CLARITY. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, JUST A PURPOSEFUL, UM, SOME MEANING BEHIND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF THE SCOPE OF THE POLICIES AND THE SCOPE OF THE PROGRAM. YEAH. BECAUSE THE WAY YOU'RE DESCRIBING IT, IT SOUNDS KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A, LIKE, THEY COPIED IT FROM THE USER MANUAL FOR THE, FOR THE CAMERA, LIKE THESE DO THIS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT Y'ALL ARE WANTING IS FOR, TO BE A LITTLE BIT, AND I'M NOT, I AGREE. I THINK, I THINK IT'S TRUE. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS LACKING IN VISION. IT'S MOSTLY LIKE WE COPIED AND PASTED THIS FROM THE USER MANUAL. SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR READING OF IT. AND AS I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE CITY OF GOLD, AS IT RELATES TO THINGS RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, LIKE DECREASED, YOU KNOW, UNNECESSARY USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT REALLY CAN BE, UM, UM, GUIDED OR, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, ACHIEVED, HELPS TO ACHIEVE BY, UH, THE PROPER NATION OF BODY-WORN CAMERA AND DASHBOARD CAMERA. AND SO, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU KNOW THIS, SO DO YOU HAVE, EXCEPT TO BE DIFFERENT TO SUPPORT THOSE, UM, GOALS OF THE CITY AND USE THE EQUIPMENT THAT EVERYONE'S PAYING FOR SO THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THOSE METRICS? UM, REALLY QUICK, FIRST OFF, I AGREE WITH SARAH GREAT WORK TOOK A LOT OF, YOU CAN TELL A LOT OF EFFORT WENT INTO THIS, A LOT OF THOUGHTS BEHIND IT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PULLING THAT TOGETHER. MY QUESTION IS WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT RECOMMENDATIONS [00:50:01] GOING FORWARD. WHAT HAS BEEN THERE? HOW, HOW WELL HAS THE, HAS IT BEEN RECEIVED, UH, OR HAS IT BEEN RECEIVED AND WHAT ARE THE, WHERE DO WE SEE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR HOW MANY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS BEING INGESTED INTO THEIR POLICIES? I, UM, DO NOT HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT APDS RESPONSE TO THIS REPORT OR OUR USE OF FORCE REPORT AT THIS POINT. UM, PART OF THE PHASE THREE AND PHASE THREE IS THAT THE POLICIES ARE MEANT TO BE REVIEWED AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MEANT TO BE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, UM, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THEN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL BEFORE ANY SORT OF CHANGES ON THOSE TOPICS ARE IMPLEMENTED. THAT'S, WHAT'S LAID OUT IN THE, UH, RESOLUTION. UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION RELATED TO VP'S RESPONSE ON THIS, UH, OR THE, OR THE USE OF FORCE POLICIES. HELLO. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE POLICY MAKING PROCESS PRIOR TO CONTRACTING WITH LEXAPRO AT APD? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK MORE INTO FOUR THINGS, THREE. UM, I DO KNOW THAT THE POLICIES, UM, THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS POLICY IN PARTICULAR STARTED TO BE, UM, REVISED IN 2015, ONCE APD, UM, STARTED GETTING THEIR CAMERAS. SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT IS THERE WAS SORT OF A POLICY BEFORE, WHICH I'M NOT CLEAR ON. UM, IF THE DEPARTMENT WASN'T ACTIVELY USING THE CAMERAS BEFORE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK INTO MORE IN PHASE THREE. ARE YOU ALL, YOU MENTIONED, UM, INCONSISTENCIES, UH, NEED FOR BETTER DEFINITIONS OF THINGS. SO THOSE, UH, THE POLICIES AND THE, THE INTRODUCTION TO THOSE ARE, UH, JUST AS MUCH ABOUT, UM, ALIGNING WITH PURPOSE AND SPECIFICITY. I'M GUESSING, BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, UH, IN THEIR CONTRACT, LIKE THEIR DRUG TESTING POLICY, AND THEY DON'T HAVE CLEAR DEFINITIONS ABOUT WHAT DRUGS ARE. LIKE, WE DON'T LIKE ILLEGAL DRUGS. WE DON'T LIKE, UM, INHALANT OR, UH, BANNED DRUGS, BUT THEY DON'T SPECIFY IN, AND THAT'S LIKE A THING THAT SHOULD CHANGE, BUT OUR, YOUR, YOUR FINDING THAT IS ALSO ECHOED IN THEIR GENERAL ORDERS WHERE IT WAS LIKE, LET'S JUST PUT IT IN BLACK AND WHITE. ABOUT WHAT SPECIFICALLY, YOU MEAN? UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE LPS DEESCALATION POLICY REALLY GETS INTO THOSE SPECIFICS AND RICHARD, UH, WE ALMOST ALWAYS RECOMMEND, UH, THAT THE, THE, UM, THE CHIEF TAKE THE OPIOIDS, DEESCALATION POLICIES CAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE FOR THE TAKING. UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSTANTLY DRIVING THAT HOME, BUT, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FOR ME. RIGHT. IS THAT, UM, IT'S JUST ABOUT AS MUCH ABOUT PURPOSE AND LIKE REALLY BEING CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE. YEAH. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE TEMPLATES HAVE Y'ALL GOTTEN, OR SORRY, I'M TRYING TO USE THE PROPER ENGLISH HAVE Y'ALL RECEIVED THE TEMPLATE. LIKE Y'ALL HAVE THOSE, THE TEMPLATES AND BE ABLE TO COMPARE THAT LIKE, ARE THEY ACTUALLY BULKING OUT THE TEMPLATE? LIKE THE POLICIES ARE THEY BASICALLY, ARE, ARE THEY DOING ANY MODIFICATIONS? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT ARE TEMPLATES. OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO LIKE CHANGE NAMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT LIKE HOW MUCH, I MEAN, HOW, HOW MUCH WORK CAN YOU TELL THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY USING AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, BULKING THESE UP OR MAKING THEM UNIQUE TO AUSTIN? THAT'S A GREAT POINT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS REALLY, AS I WAS SAYING, LIKE, I GUESS, UM, A CONCERN WITH LIKE SUPPOSE SORT OF THEIR, UM, STANCE ON COPYRIGHT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF ARTICLES ACTUALLY THAT SORT OF TALK ABOUT SOME CONCERNING PRACTICES THAT, THAT THEY HAVE AS IT RELATES TO COPYRIGHT LAWS. UM, AND I MENTIONING THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH SORT OF REQUESTING CERTAIN THINGS FROM THE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PROPRIETARY. I DON'T EXPECT THAT THAT WILL BE THE CASE WITH THE POLICIES. UM, AS, I MEAN, BEING THAT WE'RE THE OVERSIGHT ENTITY, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE REALLY AN ISSUE THERE. UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I HAVEN'T SEEN SORT OF A BLANK TEMPLATE AND THAT IS, AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE REQUESTING IN PHASE THREE. SO WE CAN DO LIKE A LINE BY LINE COMPARISON, BUT I HAVE SEEN OTHER DEPARTMENT POLICIES THAT ARE VERY [00:55:01] SIMILAR TO APS ARE MADE BY LEXICAL. I HAVE SEEN THE T COLE, UM, MODEL POLICY, WHICH, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S DIFFERENCES APS POLICY SEEMS TO PULL FROM THAT ONE QUITE A BIT. UM, AND THEN AP DOES, UM, MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO ITSELF. SO, UM, AS WE'RE DOING THE GENERAL ORDERS, REWRITE APD IS SIMULTANEOUSLY DOING PERIODIC REVISIONS, NOT WITH ANY SORT OF LIKE PARTICULAR CADENCE, I DON'T THINK. AND NOT SORT OF IN A, UM, UM, LIKE A, UH, WHAT'S STARTING LINK FOR LIKE A CHRONOLOGICAL WAY, UM, THROUGH THE GENERAL ORDERS, BUT THEY DO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WHILE THE STERNAL ORDERED REWRITE PROCESS GOING ON. SO I BELIEVE IN JANUARY THEY MADE REVISION SMALLER REVISIONS, UM, TO THE BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY. UM, AND THOSE I BELIEVE WERE JUST BASED ON SORT OF LOCAL, UM, OR DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC NEEDS OR, UH, CHANGES. AND SO, UM, BECAUSE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. I ACTUALLY HAVE, HOW ROBUST IS THE ACTUAL POLICY TEAM THAT WORKS FOR EIGHT FOR APD? I MEAN, IS IT ONE PERSON, TWO PEOPLE, IS IT A TEAM? IS IT ONE PERSON IS A ONE MEMBER OF A DIFFERENT TEAM? LIKE WHAT KIND OF LIKE, DO THEY HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO THE RECOMMEND? I MEAN, NOT THAT THAT'S, SHOULDN'T STILL BE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT LIKE WHAT THE CURRENT MANPOWER, WHAT IS LIKE, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO IN MY EXPERIENCE IN MEETING WITH AP ON DIFFERENT POLICIES, UM, IT'S INVOLVED WITH CHIEF OF STAFF, IT'S INVOLVED, UM, SOMEONE AT THE COMMAND LEVEL AND ANYBODY REALLY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, IF THEY CAN MAKE, AND THIS IS, UH, LAID OUT, I THINK IN THE GENERAL ORDERS CAN MAKE A POLICY RECOMMENDATION. AND SO, UM, I THINK IT OFTEN INVOLVES THAT UNIT OR PERSON WHO'S MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN SOME FOLKS AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A BIG DEPARTMENT. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD WANT CLARIFICATION ON NOW, SINCE THERE'S BEEN THE TRANSITION IN, UM, UM, EXECUTIVE STAFF, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT MAY CHANGE THE THOUGHT WITH CHIEF CHECON. UM, BUT WHEN, UM, BEFORE CHIEF CHECK ON, UM, BECAME THE CHIEF, THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE. AND SO IT SEEMED TO BE A SORT OF SMALL OPERATION, BUT THERE IS REVIEW BY CITY LEGAL. UM, AND, UM, UM, THAT'S SORT OF THE EXTENT THAT I CAN SPEAK TO THIS POINT WITHOUT, WITHOUT CHECKING IN ON CHANGES, MAYBE IT'S, UH, COME ABOUT IF I MAY. UM, YEAH, IT DOES SEEM PRETTY AD HOC THAT THEY CHANGED THEIR, UH, THEIR POLICIES. SO WITH LEXICAL, UH, THEY'RE CREATING THESE TEMPLATES, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE USED QUITE RIGHT WIDESPREAD THESE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE POLICIES. UM, ARE YOU ALSO SENDING YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO EXPO? IS THERE ANY KIND OF MOVEMENT OR DESIRE ON Y'ALL'S PART TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THEM SINCE THEY HAVE SUCH A WIDESPREAD IMPACT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M SMILING BECAUSE I THINK I MIGHT BE ABOVE MY PAY GRADE TO MAKE THAT KIND OF A DECISION. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED AS AN OFFICE. UM, BUT I CAN SAY THAT OUR OFFICE AS A WHOLE DOES TAKE ISSUE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS, THE PART ABOUT LEXIPOL AND ITS, ITS OPERATIONS HERE WITHIN THE CITY. AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION THAT STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN. UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY, UM, BUT PERHAPS IT IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T RELATE DIRECTLY TO, TO SORT OF APD OPERATIONS. SO MAYBE THE MEET AND CONFER WOULDN'T HINDER THAT, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE ACTIVELY DISCUSSED AT THIS POINT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND CLEARLY ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU AND EVERYONE AT OPO PUT INTO THAT. SO THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONERS, I KNOW I'M DEFINITELY GONNA CONTINUE TO SPREAD THE, ABOUT THE REMAINING, UM, COMMUNITY INPUT SESSIONS. UM, YOU KNOW, PLEASE DO THE SAME AND LET'S TRY TO GET AS MANY FOLKS TO, UM, SHARE SOME IDEAS AND INPUT WITH OPO AS POSSIBLE. SO THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND UM, I BELIEVE NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP. DO, UM, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP AND DOUBLE CHECK? NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP. OKAY, GREAT. WELL I THINK THAT IS IT. UM, YEAH, SO I GUESS I WILL GO AHEAD AND [01:00:01] CALL THIS MEETING. IT IS, UH, 7 0 4 AND THE MEETING WILL ADJOURN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, EVERYONE AND ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR MONDAY NIGHT AND A GOOD ONE TAKE CARE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.