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UH, WELCOME TO THE AUSTIN

[CALL TO ORDER ]

HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.

THIS IS MAY 4TH, 2022.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY.

I'VE BEEN DRIVING DOWN LOOP PAST CAMPUS FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS WITH NO TRAFFIC.

AND APPARENTLY ALL THE STUDENTS CAME BACK FOR FINALS.

THAT WAS A LITTLE DICEY.

I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER TAKE THE ROLE.

I'M TERRY MYERS.

I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION.

BEN-HAIM SETH PRESENT, AND IT'S THE CASTILLO SHE'S ON VIRTUALLY.

THANK YOU.

WHIT FEATHERSTON, I BELIEVE IS ABSENT.

KEVIN COOK, CARLA ROCHE KELLY, LITTLE HERE, TREY MCWHORTER, BLAKE.

TULLOCH PRESENT THAT FELONS.

WILLA WILL BE ABSENT AND CAROLINE, RIGHT? I SEE YOU.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE AGENDA A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER.

FIRST.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE TO SPEAK TO, UM, AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

THIS IS OUR REGULAR, UM, PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS.

WE WILL APPROVE THE MINUTES.

WE WILL GO ON.

WE HAVE TWO BRIEFINGS.

THEN WE WILL START THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH ITEMS D FOUR AND D FIVE BEFORE GOING ON TO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON, UH, APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK.

SO THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT DOES NOT HAVE THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? IF SO, COME ON DOWN.

OKAY.

SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL GO ON

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]

TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

ITEM AIM ONE A THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 28TH, 2022 IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT APPROVAL AND ITEM B MARCH 28TH, 2022 IS ALSO OFFERED FOR CONSENT APPROVAL.

CAN WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THE ACCEPTANCE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AT THIS TIME? SOME OF, OKAY.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? OKAY.

OKAY.

IT WAS MOVED BY COMMISSIONER.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COOK.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THESE MINUTES, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OR RAISING YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

WE WILL THEN GO ON, UM, STAFF.

WAS IT YOUR, WAS IT YOUR PREFERENCE TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA FIRST? OKAY.

WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA FIRST.

THIS IS JUST GOING DOWN THE AGENDA, PULLING ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION, UM, IDENTIFYING ITEMS THAT WILL GO ON CONSENT.

IF YOUR ITEM IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND IT IS LATER APPROVED.

WHEN WE GET BACK TO THAT POINT, THEN YOU MAKE YOUR ITEM.

THEN YOUR PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU MAY GO FORTH WITH WHATEVER STIPULATIONS THERE ARE.

IF THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, THAT INCLUDES EIGHT BY 10, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS OF EACH FACADE, UH, ON PHOTOGRAPHIC PAPER, A SKETCH PLAN AND A NARRATIVE HISTORY OF, UH, THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE, UH, FOR OUR CAVING AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER.

BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BRIEFINGS TO A, HAS TO DO WITH FLATTOP FENCES, TO BE AS PROPOSED REHABILITATIONS IN SIXTH STREET, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT GOING ON TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AS I SAID, WE WILL FIRST TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION ITEMS D FOUR AND D FIVE, WHICH WILL BE DISCUSSION ITEMS. THEN UNDER A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC ZONING.

A 1 15 0 5 FOREST TRAIL WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

A 2 16, 17 NEW YORK AVENUE.

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IT'LL BE A CONSENT POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 1ST.

IT WAS, UM, THE POSTPONEMENT WAS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, A 3 14 0 3 EAST CESAR CHAVEZ WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

A 4, 3 0 1 WEST SIXTH STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM UNDER B DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.

AGAIN, IF YOUR ITEM IS A CONSENT ITEM AND IT'S APPROVED WHEN WE GET TO THAT VOTE, YOU MAY LEAVE, UH, WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE GIVEN BY STAFF OR THE COMMISSION ITEM B ONE 14 OATH, I'M SORRY.

43 14 AVENUE, H IS A CONSENT ITEM IT'S OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

2001 ROSEWOOD AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM B3 2300 WINDSOR ROAD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT ANYONE MAY PULL AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION WHETHER ON THE COMMISSION OR FROM THE AUDIENCE, IT WILL THEN GO OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE DISCUSSED IN THE ORDER.

IT APPEARS ON THE AGENDA UNDER SEA DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS WITHIN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS ITEM C 1 14 11 ETHERIDGE AVENUE WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM ITEM C 2 8 0 4 REFERRED PLACE.

THAT WILL BE A CONSENT POSTPONEMENT.

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 1ST ITEMS C3 FIVE 12 EAST MONROE STREET IS ALSO A CONSENT POSTPONEMENT ITEMS. SEE 4 18 0 3 KENWOOD AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

WE HAVE A SPEAKER REGISTERED IN OPPOSITION FOR ITEM C4.

OKAY.

THEN WE WILL PULL THAT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION I DIDN'T SEE 5, 13, 15 AND 13, 17 MOONING AVENUE WILL BE A CONSENT POSTPONEMENT.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT TO THE JUNE 1ST MEETING ITEMS, C6 1205 ALTA VISTA AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

WE HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION FOR ITEM C6.

OKAY.

WE'LL PULL THAT FOR DISCUSSION ITEMS. C7 3 0 3 EAST LIVE OAK STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEMS. C 8 17 0 7.

ALTA VISTA AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEMS. SEE 9 15 0 3 ALTA VISTA AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT GOING ON TO ITEMS UNDER D DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION ITEM D 1 34 12 FOOT HILL PARKWAY IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM D TO 2002 SCENIC DRIVE.

IT WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM ITEM D 3 9 0 2 EAST SEVENTH STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM ITEMS D FOUR AND D FIVE.

AS I SAID, AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA WILL BE MOVED TO THE FRONT OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THEY WILL BOTH BE DISCUSSION ITEMS, ITEM D M D 6 2 0 9 AND TWO 13 WEST FIFTH STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM D SEVEN 1100 EAST FIFTH STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM ITEM D 8 29 0 5.

STRAP FOR DRIVE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

WE WILL THEN GO ON TO E DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.

WE HAVE NO ITEMS AT THIS TIME.

F IS A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR TAX ABATEMENT.

F1 IS 42 11 EAST AVENUE, C AND F TWO IS 1,105 CASTLE COURT.

BOTH OF THESE ITEMS ARE OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

WE WILL THEN GO ON TO COMMISSION AND STAFF ITEMS, OFFICER ELECTIONS, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON COMMITTEE REPORTS AND FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SO THAT IS OUR

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COMPLETE AGENDA GOING BACK.

UM, DO I

[Consent Agenda]

SHARE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE, THE AGENDA ITEMS, THE CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY.

ALL SECOND.

OKAY.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE AND RAISING YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

THE, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA PASSES.

WE HAVE NO DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENTS, BUT WE HAVE CONSENT POSTPONEMENTS FOR ITEM EIGHT, TWO ITEM C TWO ITEM C3 ITEMS, C4.

I'M SORRY.

ITEM C FIVE.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT ITEMS ALSO.

OKAY.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT, SAY I RAISE YOUR HANDS.

OKAY.

THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT AGENDA PASSES.

OKAY.

IF YOUR ITEM WAS ON CONSENT POSTPONEMENT, YOU MAY LEAVE AND COME BACK TO THE DATE THAT IT'S POSTPONE TO ALL OF THEM BEING JUNE 1ST.

AND IF YOUR ITEM WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE CONTACT STAFF ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE OR ANY OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.

WE WILL NOW GO ON TO OUR BRIEFINGS ITEM TO

[2.A. Flat Top Fences – City of Austin Community Engagement Office]

A FLAT-TOP FENCES.

THANK YOU FOLKS.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS AND I WORK AT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL FOR B.

UH, WELCOME TO THE SAME AS A SAFE OFFENSIVE REGULATIONS, UM, ENGAGEMENT MEETING WITH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK MISSION, UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 21 11 0 4.

YOU MAY MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 21, 11 0 4 DASH 39.

INITIATED THE COURT AMENDMENTS PROCESS TO ADDRESS ON FA UH, UNSAFE FENCE DESIGN, INCLUDING SPITE ELEMENTS THAT PROTRUDE ABOVE THE TOP RAIL OF THE FENCE.

WE HAVE BEEN DIRECTED BY THE CITY MANAGER TO EVALUATE REQUIREMENTS FOR FLATTOP STYLES ON NEW FENCES OF ALL LENS.

ALSO APPLYING THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO FLATTOP FENCE FENCES OF, UH, ANY LENT AND ALSO THE ONES THAT ARE SIX FEET TALL OR SMALLER THAN SIX FEET, AND ALSO APPLYING FLATTOP FENCE REQUIREMENTS TO SUBSTANTIAL FENCE REPAIRS, UH, UH, THAT ARE AT LEAST 50% OR MORE OF THE EXISTING FENCE.

NEXT, THE CITY CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS US SPIKE FENCE STYLES THAT CAN POSE A SIGNIFICANT RISK TO HUMANS AND ANIMALS, INCLUDING ENTRAPMENT AND IMPAIRMENT OF CHILDREN.

UH, ALSO IMPOSE A, UM, DANGEROUS TO WORKERS, PERFORMING ROOF REPAIRS AND PET SOME WILDLIFE IN GENERAL.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS TO OBTAIN THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS NEXT.

OKAY, SO THE OPTIONS ARE REQUIRING A FLAT TOP STYLES ON NEW FENCES OF ALL LENS, APPLYING THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO ALL NEW FENCES THAT ARE SIX FEET OR LESS, AND APPLYING THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO SUBSTANTIAL REPAIRS OR REMODELING THAT ARE AT LEAST 50% OR MORE OF AN EXISTING FENCE OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WILL BE GATHERED AND MAYBE INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS, UH, UH, ENGAGEMENT, UH, PROCESS NEXT.

OKAY.

UH, WE ARE HAVING A SERIES OF INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS.

UH, THIS IS THE LAST ONE THAT I SEE THAT IS AN INTERNAL MEETING AND THE NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE ON SATURDAY, UH, AT 9:00 AM

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AT THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER.

AND, UH, ONCE THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESSING, UH, CONCLUDES, UM, WE WILL DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK THAT HAS BEEN GATHERED AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH AMENDMENTS AND, AND PRESENT THEM, UH, FOR BOARD COMMISSION AND COUNCIL REVIEW.

THIS IS A LIST OF, UH, OF, UM, THE TARGETED AUDIENCES THAT HAS BEEN GATHERED BY THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE.

AND THESE ARE THE PARTIES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY HAVE REACHED OUT, UH, AS PART OF THESE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

AND THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU.

UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? YES.

COMMISSIONER HEMOSTAT, GO AHEAD.

UH, MS. RIVERA, I, I UNDERSTAND, UH, IMMEDIATELY WHAT THE POTENTIAL CONCERN WOULD BE.

HOWEVER, ALSO HISTORICALLY THERE ARE MANY ORNAMENTED FENCES THAT ARE IN FACT HAVING EXPOSED TOPS.

YOU JUST WALKED BY THE VERMONT BLOCK.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN THAT WHOLE CHARACTER IS DEFINED BY A VERY PARTICULAR TYPE OF FENCE, A VERY PARTICULAR STYLE.

I DON'T SEE YOU'RE MAKING ANY PROVISIONS FOR HISTORIC, UH, REPLACEMENTS OR IN SOME CASES, UH, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE EVEN NEW FENCING I CAN, I CAN SEE WHY IT WOULD NOT BE RECOMMENDED, BUT EVEN A CONSIDERATION OF NEW FENCING IN CERTAIN CASES WHERE WE WOULD BE REPRODUCING, UH, THE HISTORIC STYLES.

UM, SO IS THERE SOME PROVISION THAT YOU HAVE FOR THIS TYPE OF A SITUATION? UH, WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING.

UH, RIGHT NOW, NOTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE.

UH, SO WE WILL GATHER ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK AND THAT WHAT YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE POINTS THAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED HERE ARE VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.

UH, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF OFFENSES ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

WE'LL CONSIDER ALSO RISK FACTORS AND SAFETY, AND THAT WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF THERE.

UH, ULTIMATELY WHAT GETS, UH, WHAT GETS THE OTHER, IT'S GOING TO BE PUTTING IN THE FORM OF, UM, OF A DRAFT AMENDMENT THAT WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO PASS, UH, YOUR APPROVAL.

UM, WE DO HAVE OTHER DSD, UH, STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE LOOKING ONLINE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THEM HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

WELL, AND WHILE, WHILE THEY'RE WEIGHING IN, THOUGH, UM, IT DOES BEG THE SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS THIS OBVIOUSLY IS MOTIVATED FOR SOME PARTICULAR REASON, UM, AT THE RISK OF BEING GRUESOME, BECAUSE I HAVE HITCHCOCK MOVIE IMAGES IN MY HEAD, AS SOON AS THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA.

DO WE HAVE ANY STATISTICS IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, NOT ACROSS THE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE AREAS WHERE THESE TYPES OF FENCES WOULD BE COMMON, BUT WITHIN OUR AREA, DO WE HAVE ANY STATISTICS OF WHAT KINDS OF INJURIES WE'RE ACTUALLY PREVENTING? WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM, UH, THAT WE CAN DOCUMENT UP TO THIS POINT? THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION TOO, IS THIS INNER PROBLEM AS SOMEONE WHOSE SON CLIMBED ON A PILE OF BRICKS TO CATCH A LIZARD, AND THEN THE BRICKS TUMBLED AND THE FENCE CAUGHT HIM ON HIS NECK.

UM, I AM SYMPATHETIC AND I, I AGREE WITH THIS IN GENERAL.

I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME PROVISIONS FOR HISTORIC EXISTING HISTORIC FENCING OR RESTORATION PROJECTS WHERE A HISTORIC FENCE IS BEING RECREATED.

BUT IN GENERAL, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF NOT HAPPENING.

UH, I, I HAD NEVER HEARD OF, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAD NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE.

AND I WONDERED BECAUSE THERE ARE, IS THE CAPITOL FENCE, THE, OF THE FENCE SURROUNDING THE CAPITAL, NOT A SPIKED FENCE, IT'S TOPPED WITH STARS WITH STARS.

OKAY.

UM, YEAH, I, DO YOU HAVE STATISTICS FOR AUSTIN? I PERSONALLY DO NOT HAVE STATISTICS THAT I CAN PRESENT TO YOU.

UH, BUT WE DO HAVE TONY HERNANDEZ HERE WHO IS ONLINE AND, UH, I, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE, UH, THAT CAN EXPAND ON THAT.

OKAY.

UM, WELL I THINK WE HAD OUR OWN PERSONAL, OR I GUESS COMMISSION, UH, TESTIMONY TO THAT, UM, UH, IS, UH, MR. OR MS. HERNANDEZ ON THE LINE? YES.

THIS IS TONY HERNANDEZ.

WE HAVE ABOUT JULIET.

NOW, DAVID ON THE LINE ALSO WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO SPEAK UP.

JULIE, DO YOU WANT TO GO, JULIE? I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE

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BEEN DOING RESEARCH.

SO MY SON DIED ON THE SENSE THAT THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM.

THAT'S NOT JUST A LOT OF YOUR ENTAILMENTS HAVE HAPPENED.

AND THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN HOA THAT HAVE BANNED AND OUTLAWED LIKE POP FENCES AND OPEN EXPOSED PICKUP TICKET FENCES, UM, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND IN CANADA, EVEN I'VE FOUND SEVERAL PLACES THERE BECAUSE IT'S IMPALEMENT OF DEER, BUT THERE ARE NUMEROUS DIFFERENT KINDS OF INJURIES.

IF YOU JUST LOOK UP FENCE INJURIES, YOU CAN FIND IMPALEMENTS THEY'RE KIDS THAT ARE CLIMBING ON A FENCE AND THEY FALL.

I'M NOT SURE WHO SAID ABOUT THE LIZARD, BUT THAT'S A VERY COMMON INJURY.

UM, A LOT OF THEM DON'T GET REPORTED.

THEY JUST WIND UP BEING LIKE ESPECIALLY DEER.

SO I HAVE HAD A HARD TIME FINDING STATISTICAL DATA.

UM, BUT IF YOU ASK LIKE THE, UM, GAME WARDENS AND THE, UH, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED, LIKE, SORRY, THE GUYS THAT TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS ANIMAL CONTROL, UM, THEY HA YOU CAN PULL RECORDS AND THEY'LL PULL THE RECORDS FOR ANY KIND OF SENSE ANIMAL RELATED INJURIES, WHERE YOU, BUT FINDING A DATABASE WITH FULL INJURIES HAS BEEN DIFFICULT.

UM, AND MY NAME IS DAVID KING.

AND IF I MIGHT ADD, UH, ME, I HAVE BEEN ALSO SEARCHING.

AND IT'S JUST HARD TO FIND THAT ALTHOUGH YOU CAN FIND STORIES ARE AROUND THE COUNTRY, UH, THE UNITED STATES AND IN CANADA ABOUT INJURIES, THE IMPAIRMENTS OF THE SKULL AND HAVING TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND PEOPLE DYING FROM THAT.

AND OF COURSE, UH, INJURIES TO ANIMALS.

AND IN FACT, SUNSET CITY LAKEWAY ENROLLING WOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED SIMILAR FENCE REGULATIONS AS THOSE THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT FOR, FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT, THAT THIS IS BEFORE YOU TO HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, TO HELP WITH A MINIMAL CHANGE TO THE BENZ REGULATION, BUT TO HELP PREVENT INJURIES AND SAVE LIVES.

SO THAT THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S HARD TO FIND ANY COMPILED DATA ON THIS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUDY'S SON DIED FROM, FROM THE SPIKE FENCING.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT WE, WE CAN HELP WITH IN A, IN A MINIMAL WAY.

IT'S, IT'S LOOKING FORWARD, IT'S NOT RETROACTIVE.

IT ONLY APPLIES TO FENCES SIX FEET IN LOWER AND ALL, AND, UH, ALSO KNEW IF YOU'RE GOING TO REMODEL YOUR FENCE OR REPAIR YOUR BEST 50% OR MORE OF IT.

AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR MAYBE SOME CARVE-OUTS FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES, HISTORIC BUILDINGS BACK KIND OF THING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN FIND A WAY THAT WILL HELP, HELP PREVENT INJURIES SAVE LIVES, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, BALANCE THIS WITH OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION GOALS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER MS. RIVERA OR OF THE, UH, FOLKS WHO WEIGHED IN, UM, VIRTUALLY? NO, I, I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, I JUST ECHO COMMISSIONER LITTLE SENTIMENT THAT I THINK FOR FENCES IN GENERAL, THIS MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

I DON'T HAVE, I HOPE YOU'RE SAYING RECOVERED IS BETTER.

NO, HE'S FINE.

HE DID NOT CATCH THE LIZARD, BUT HE, HE'S FINE.

UH, AND, AND CERTAINLY, UH, TO OUR SPEAKERS, UH, SON, OUR CONDOLENCES, UH, WHAT A HORRIFIC EXPERIENCE THAT MUST HAVE BEEN.

SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO CERTAINLY TO SUPPORT, UH, WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS SITUATION, BUT JUST GIVEN THAT THIS TYPE OF FENCING IN VERY PARTICULAR AREAS IS VERY DISTINCTIVE IN THE HISTORIC PERIODS AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE PERIOD, UH, OF IMPORTANCE TO MANY OF THE STRUCTURES, IF THERE WAS A, UH, AN APPROPRIATE WAY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO ADD THAT TO YOUR MOTION WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOUR RESOLUTION, WHEN IT COMES BACK, WE'D APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY.

CAN I ADD SOMETHING REAL QUICK? WE NEED TO GET ON, BUT PLEASE MAKE IT VERY BRIEF.

UM, AFTER KAY DIED, THE PEOPLE ASKED US ABOUT THE CAPITOL FENCE, AND I KNOW SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT THE SENSE OF K DIED ON WAS THREE AND A HALF INCHES WIDE.

THE TICKET.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAPITAL SENSE, IT'S LOWER.

IT ALSO HAS VERY LARGE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE PICKETS.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NOTICED RIGHT AWAY, AND IT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT SEPARATELY AS WELL.

BUT THERE ARE HISTORICALLY DECORATIVE SENSES STYLES THAT ARE FLATTOPS ALSO, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.

THANK YOU.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS, BUT, UM, WE WELCOME YOU COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION OF WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, A DRAFT, UM, RESOLUTION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ITEM

[2.B. Proposed rehabilitations in Sixth Street National Register district]

TWO, B PROPOSED REHABILITATIONS IN SIXTH STREET, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT RICHARD SUBTLE, AND I'M CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME'S RICHARD SUTTLE.

I'M HERE ON

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BEHALF OF STREAM REAL ESTATE.

THEIR STREAM HAS MADE A, UH, AN INVESTMENT IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT ON EAST SIX AND IS BECOME, UM, EVEN MORE CRITICAL THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

AESICS.

NOW, SINCE OCTOBER OF 21, 26, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EITHER KILLED OR INJURED IN SHOOTINGS IN OUR NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.

THINK ABOUT THAT SINCE OCTOBER 26, PEOPLE KILLED OR INJURED, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

UH, UH, MANY OF YOU ON THE DIOCESE, REMEMBER WHAT SIXTH STREET USED TO BE, WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN AND, AND HAVE A MEAL AND SEE A SHOW OR LISTEN TO MUSIC.

AND YOU DO, AND YOU WEREN'T WORRIED ABOUT BEING BOXED IN ON A STREET, CLOSED AND SHOT AT WE'VE DONE AN ANALYSIS.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING IT BACK TO WHAT IT USED TO BE.

AND WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS WITH SOME STRUCTURAL CHANGES.

AND I DON'T MEAN WIPING OUT THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT PRESERVING THE NATIONAL REGISTERS DISTRICT, BUT MAKING SOME CHANGES, FOR INSTANCE, WIDEN THE SIDEWALKS A LITTLE BIT AND OPEN THE STREETS BACK UP.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, UH, SOUTH CONGRESS, WEST SIX RAINEY STREET, THE TRAFFIC STILL MOVES.

THE FOLKS ARE ON THE SIDEWALK.

IT, IT WORKS.

WE ALSO HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE MIX OF USES NEEDS TO CHANGE.

SIXTH STREET HAS TURNED INTO A LA A LOT OF SHOP BARS AND A LOT OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE UNDER AGE CAN COME AND HANG.

THEY CAN GO PARTICIPATE.

THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DRINK, BUT THEY COME GATHER BECAUSE THE STREETS ARE BLOCKED OFF AND IT'S A BIG STREET PARTY.

SO WE THINK THE STREETS NEED TO BE OPENED UP.

WE THINK THE USE IS ON THE PROP ON, ON SIXTH STREET.

YOU NEED TO BE MIXED BACK IN TO WHERE IT'S MORE OF A 24 7 INSTEAD OF A THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY SHOOTING GALLERY.

WHAT GOING TO SHOW YOU, I'M GOING TO GO REAL QUICK.

CAUSE YOU GOT A LONG NIGHT AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING TONIGHT, OTHER THAN JUST TO OPEN THE CONVERSATION ON OUR THOUGHTS.

WE'VE GOT EMILY LITTLE HELPING US WITH IT.

THERE'S NO MASS DEMOLITIONS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING IT ALL UP COMPLETELY, BUT THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE MAIN ONE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESSING SOON.

CURRENTLY THERE IS A 45 FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION IN THE SIXTH STREET, NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT.

AND THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE OLD BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE.

THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN THERE ON TWO BLOCKS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO INITIATE A CODE AMENDMENT TO LIFT THAT, NOT TO DO HIGH RISE, BUT TO HAVE A STEP BACK FROM THE FACADES AND ADD A LITTLE BIT OF DENSITY BECAUSE WITH, WITH, UH, WE THINK THAT WITH AN OFFICE AND A HOTEL USE IN, IN THE TWO BLOCKS THAT ARE THE MOST PROBLEMATIC, WE CAN ADD MORE USES TO DO THE 24 7 USE AND NOT THE THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.

WE THINK WE CAN DO IT, UM, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, HISTORICALLY ACCURATELY.

AND, AND I THINK WE CAN DO IT RIGHT, BUT WITHOUT THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE DESTINED TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN ANOTHER 26.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET SHOT OR KILLED OR INJURED IN THE NEXT SEVEN MONTHS.

I THINK.

SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING RADICAL.

SO LET ME RUN THROUGH HERE QUICKLY AND WE'LL, AND I KNOW IT, IT'S KIND OF A SHOCKER AT FIRST, BUT LET ME RUN THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION REALLY QUICK.

AND THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

AND BY THE WAY, THIS, THIS PRESENTATION IS STILL IN DRAFT FORM, BUT THE BACKSTORY IS WE START IN 1839 AND WE'D COME ALL THE WAY UP TO 1979, UH, WHEN IT WAS CREATED, THE, WHEN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT WAS CREATED.

AND SO WE UNDERSTAND, AND EMILY HAS HELPED US UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF EACH AND EVERY BUILDING.

SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS BY THE WAY, ARE MERELY FACADES TODAY.

IF YOU LOOK BEHIND THEM TODAY, THEY'RE GONE.

UM, THE GOAL IS TO REVITALIZE OUR, OUR BELOVED SIXTH STREET, SOMETHING THAT AUSTIN IS KNOWN FOR.

THIS SLIDE THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE, IS THE ASSEMBLAGE SO FAR, WHAT STREAM HAS ASSEMBLED AND WHAT THEY OWN ON SIXTH STREET.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S BASICALLY 60% OF THE PROPERTIES BETWEEN BRAZZES AND WITH THE BULK OF THEM, CLOSER TO 35, UM, DOWN THERE IN THE TIER FOUR OR 500 AND 600 BLOCK ALONG RED RIVER.

PART OF OUR ANALYSIS, IT'S HARD TO SEE THIS, BUT, BUT BASICALLY GREEN IS, IS WHAT WE HAVE SURVEYED YELLOW IS THE CITY OF AUSTIN LANDMARK STATUS.

AND THESE ARE THE COLORS UNDERNEATH EACH BUILDING.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE CHART VOICES, THE TEXAS, UM, LANDMARK STATUS, AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE, WE'RE STUDYING THIS A LOT TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING SOMETHING YOU CAN SEE IN THE FIVE AND 600 BLOCK.

THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING.

THEY DON'T EVEN CARE.

THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.

WE CAN GO ON EACH AND WE'VE ANALYZED THESE IN EAST BLOCK, AND I'M SURE YOU, SINCE WE'VE MADE THIS PUBLIC, NOW YOU CAN HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS, BUT

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WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS BLOCK.

AND IF WE CAN GET TO THE 200 BLOCK, I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH JUST VERY QUICKLY, THE OVERVIEW.

THIS IS THE, THE CORNER THERE AT BRAZZES AT THE 200 BLOCK.

NEXT SLIDE.

IT'S BUFFALO BILLIARDS GROVE.

UM, AND I'M GOING TO TURN TO CAITLIN TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE CAITLIN YOU STAY THE SAME, RIGHT? THESE, THESE, THESE STAIN, YOU GET TO THE 500 BLOCK ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THAT'S WHAT THESE BUILDINGS REPRESENT HERE.

NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE RHYTHM AND THE ARCHITECTURE, AND THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS HERE.

NEXT SLIDE.

THAT'S AN AREA THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT, BUT THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE TELLING THEM, WHEN YOU LOOK, THE, THE ALAMO SHAPED BUILDING IS NOT EVEN A CONTRIBUTORY TRIBUTING STRUCTURE, NOR IS FIVE 16 AND 5, 5 18.

THE OTHERS ARE THEY'VE EITHER BEEN SURVEYED MAR LANDMARKS, OR IT'S STILL B TO DO, TO BE DETERMINED ON WHAT WE DO WITH THEM.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS A CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS THE, THE EXISTING, UH, HISTORIC CORNICE.

YOU SEE THE 45 FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION THAT WE CAN DO TODAY.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU SEE THE CAPITOL VIEW CORRIDOR, WHICH WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT INTEND TO, TO BLAST THROUGH, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, WE'RE NOT TALKING HIGH RISE BUILDINGS HERE.

WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT GETTING A LITTLE MORE SPACE TO HELP PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO OCCUR ON SIXTH STREET.

NEXT SLIDE IS THE 500 BLOCK.

THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS.

UM, THOSE STAY THE SAME.

THOSE STAY THE SAME 600 BLOCK, THE OTHER SIDE OF RED RIVER STREET, LARGER BLOCK.

NEXT SLIDE.

YOU CAN SEE YOU ALL WILL RECOGNIZE THOSE BUILDINGS.

NEXT SLIDE.

THAT'S THE AREA THAT I INTENDED TO TALK ABOUT ALL THESE IN DETAIL, BUT YOU GOT ALONG NIGHT.

NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SURVEYING THESE.

AND WE KNOW WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT THEM.

WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION, UH, TONIGHT, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE SOME ARE CONTRIBUTING, UM, BUT NO LANDMARKS YET.

AND AGAIN, THE MASSING IS THIS WHAT WE'RE IS THE SAME THING? THIS ONE, YOU, YOU BASICALLY HAVE A 122 FEET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING UP, UM, ABOVE STEPPING BACK FROM THE BUILDINGS AND THEN GOING UP TO 122 FEET, AND THEN THE 700 BLOCK, YOU KNOW, THE BILL, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE BUILDINGS AND THEN 700 BLOCK SOUTH.

AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE BUILDINGS, THOSE STAY THE SAME SEPT.

THAT IS A CONCEPT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW TO GO UP AND OVER THAT WITH AN OUTDOOR SPACE.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET THE SIDEWALKS WIDER SO THAT THE TRAFFIC AND STILL GO UP OR DOWN SIXTH STREET, BUT HAVE PEOPLE WALKING IN AND JOIN, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDINGS, YOU CAN SKIP TO THE NEXT ONE.

AGAIN, THIS IS AN IDEA THAT WE'RE HAVING, UH, OF, UH, WIDENING THE SIDEWALKS, CREATING STREET TREES AND LIMITING IT TO BASICALLY THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC.

AND THAT IS THE PRESENTATION.

THE FINAL, THE FINAL SLIDE IN THE PRESENTATION TALKS ABOUT ITS RELATION TO WALLER CREEK AND HOW THIS CAN ACTUALLY BECOME MIXED IN WITH THE WALLER CREEK, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THAT IS OUR IDEA FOR THE REVITALIZATION, SPEEDING THROUGH A PRESENTATION, SPEEDING THROUGH, AND TONIGHT WE WANTED TO BE ON YOUR AGENDA JUST TO, SO YOU DIDN'T HEAR IT ON THE STREET BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING MORE AND MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS.

THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME ARE CRYING OUT FOR HELP.

UH, THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE WRINGING THEIR HANDS AND PULLING THEIR HAIR OUT.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, BUT WE ALL AGREE.

YOU'VE GOT TO CHANGE THE MIXES OF USES AGAIN, BACK TO WHERE IT USED TO BE.

YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND MAKE IT TO WHERE FOLKS THAT AREN'T LOOKING TO GET IN TROUBLE ARE COMING TO SIXTH STREET, AND YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? AND THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT.

AND WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU AS WE GET CLOSER ON OUR PLANS, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO COME BACK AT EVERY ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS AND GIVE YOU A STATUS REPORT.

IF YOU'LL HAVE US,

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LET ME ASK, UM, IF I COULD THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE OVERVIEW.

UM, IT, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE, THE EARLY STATUS OF SIXTH STREET, THERE ARE SOME OF US WHO REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS KIND OF A LIGHT BULB AT THE VERY END OF THE STREET WHERE ESTHER'S FOLLIES WAS AT NIGHT.

AND THAT WAS IT.

WE CAN GO BACK EVEN FURTHER.

UH, BEN WE'RE GETTING OLD.

AND ONE POINT IN ITS HISTORY THOUGH, IT WAS A RED LIGHT DISTRICT.

AND, UH, UM, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WAS BEFORE MOST OF US, UH, FREQUENTED SIXTH STREET, BUT, AND WE GO BACK FAR ENOUGH.

WE CAN PROBABLY FIND WHEN THEY WERE SHOOTING PEOPLE AGAIN, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

AND I, MY HUSBAND'S GREAT-GRANDFATHER WAS A DEPUTY SHERIFF AND HE DID SHOOT SOMEONE, UH, ON, ON SIXTH STREET.

AND IT WAS BECAUSE IT HAPPENS IN THE BEST OF FAMILIES.

WE'RE NOT MARRIED ANYMORE.

SO LET THE RECORD REFLECT, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

AND MY QUESTION REALLY JUST HAS TO DO WITH YOUR TIMING.

UH, OBVIOUSLY THESE EARLY CONCEPTS, YOU'RE SOUNDING OUT FOR RESPONSE.

UM, ARE WE IN THIS POSITION WHERE IN SOME TIMEFRAME WE SHOULD BE STARTING TO SEE SOMETHING MORE DEVELOPED? YES.

SO WHAT WE'RE WE'RE WRESTLING WITH RIGHT NOW IS WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST SHOW UP WITH DEMO PERMITS OR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH, WITHOUT THE BACKGROUND WITH YOU, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE NEXT STEP.

SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR DEMOLITION.

SOME MAY BE FOR, UH, CHANGES.

SOME OF THEM JUST REHABILITATION.

THOSE WILL COME BEFORE YOU.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO CATCH YOU BY SURPRISE.

UM, THIS ALL HINGES UPON THE CODE AMENDMENT.

IF WE CAN'T LIFT THAT HEIGHT, I THINK WE'RE CONDEMNING SIXTH STREET TO ANOTHER LONG TIME OF MORE OF THE SAME, BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN MAKE THIS WORK IS IF YOU CAN MAKE IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR TENANTS TO COME DOWN THERE AND WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO DO THEIR IMPROVEMENTS.

AND RIGHT NOW, MOST OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE VACANT.

AND WHEN YOU GO TO A PROSPECTIVE TENANT, THE GOOD ONES ARE SAYING, YEAH, THAT'S STILL A LITTLE SHAKY FOR ME.

I WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE I COMMIT MONEY.

THE ONES THAT ARE JUMPING ON IT ARE THE ONES WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE OF WELL.

AND I CAN JUST ADD FOR THE RECORD, THE, UH, CONCERNS THAT I'VE EXPRESSED IN MEETING AFTER MEETING AND AS I'M A MEMBER OF THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION IN THAT BODY AS WELL, THAT, UH, NO MATTER HOW FIRM WE THINK THESE REGULATIONS ARE, AT SOME POINT, THE ECONOMIC PRESSURES HAVE TURNED MANY OF THESE INTO AN ALL OR NOTHING, PROSPECT WHERE AT SOME POINT A BUILDING THAT WE THOUGHT ABSOLUTELY WAS GOING TO BE SAFE AND WOULD BE RESPECTED, HAS COME IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION FOR EITHER TOTAL DEMOLITION OR A SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT.

THAT IS WAY BEYOND ANYTHING THAT WOULD KEEP ITS HISTORIC INTEGRITY.

AND WE'VE WRESTLED WITH THAT.

BUT I KEEP SAYING THAT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS WOULD ALLOW IS TAKING A STEP BACK AND PERHAPS BY MORE COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, OFFER SOME WAYS TO BE ABLE TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE AND ACTUALLY HARNESS IT FOR SOMETHING POSITIVE.

IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

STREAM DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO STEP UP, MAKE A BIG INVESTMENT AND DO IT AS A, AS A HOLISTIC DISTRICT-WIDE APPROACH.

AND THEY HAVE THE SUPPORT OF MANY OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS DOWN THERE.

RICHARD, UM, I, I HEARD YOU SEVERAL TIMES, UH, PUT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF CLOSING THE STREETS.

DO YOU, DO YOU EQUATE THE STREET CLOSURES WITH INCREASED VIOLENCE? I'M NOT A POLICE OFFICER AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT I DO BECAUSE I CAN REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE A KID.

IF I'VE GOT A CROWDED AREA WHERE I CAN GO, AND I KNOW THERE'S NOT POLICE MOVING THROUGH AND CARS MOVING THROUGH AND I WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE.

THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO GO.

AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE OTHER, OUR OTHER ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS THAT HAVE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH IT, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SHOOTING GALLERY EFFECT THAT WE HAVE DOWN THERE.

I, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE WE NEED TO OPEN THE TR THE STREET UP COMMISSIONER WRIGHT HAS HER HAND RAISED, SORRY, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

WE'LL KEEP IT.

I, YEAH, IT'S HARD TO, IT'S HARD TO BE A WING, UM, AND SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, BUT ALSO PAST THIS AREA HEALTH WISE, UM, THIS IS NOT MY FIRST TIME SEEING A PRESENTATION ABOUT, ABOUT THIS CONCEPT.

UM, THE LAST PRESENTATION THAT I HEARD WAS MUCH LESS PRESERVATION IN FRONT OF YOU LOOKING THEN THIS ONE WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT.

UM, THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT PREVIOUSLY, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE DEVELOPERS REALLY HADN'T BEEN CONSIDERING THAT AS SOMETHING THAT THEY NEEDED TO LOOK AT.

AND SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT HERE TO HER, TO CHUCK BADMOUTH OF PROJECTS WHERE THEY THINK, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF, I HAVE MORE SUSPICIONS LET'S SAY, UM, ABOUT WHERE THIS MAKE-OUT BASED ON THE PREVIOUS

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PRESENTATION THAT I'VE HEARD.

SO I DO HOPE THAT THERE IS, UM, A CLOSER LOOK BEING GIVEN TO SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY LOOK AT A BUILDING AND THINK, OH, THAT'S REALLY UGLY.

UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING TO A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S LESS IMPORTANT THAN A BUILDING THAT, THAT MAYBE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN BETTER SHAPE.

AND I JUST, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT SINCE I HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO SEE SOME OF THE PRESENTATION PREVIOUSLY, THANK YOU.

OR THAT IS POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING IF ONLY A FEW, UM, COSMETIC THINGS HAD CHANGED ON THE BUILDING AND BROUGHT IT BACK TO CONTRIBUTING STATUS.

I GUESS.

UH, MY, MY QUESTION IS I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS, UH, WHEN IT DID SEEM SAFE, I DIDN'T HEAR THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

UM, I USED TO GO TO SIXTH STREET.

WE WOULD TAKE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN TO KIND OF PEOPLE WATCH AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO, EVEN DURING SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST, YOU COULD WALK DOWN THE STREET AND GO INTO ANY PLACE WITH LIVE MUSIC.

NO, THIS IS BEFORE WRISTBANDS AND STUFF.

AND SO IT WASN'T UNKNOWN TO ME.

UM, AND I, BUT I WONDER WHY WE COULDN'T INSTITUTE A CHANGE OF USE IN THE AREA WITHOUT ADDING A LOT OF HIGH RISE OFFICE SPACE.

UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE? SURE.

IT'S ALL ZONE CBD.

SO THE USES ARE WIDE OPEN.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND ESSENTIALLY ZONE SIXTH STREET, SOMETHING OTHER THAN CBD, YOU'D BE LIMITING THE USES, BUT CONSTRAINING FOLKS BY OLD BUILDINGS THAT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO REHABILITATE.

AND OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE FOLKS THAT DON'T WANT TO SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY, BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO BE OPEN THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AND YOU MIGHT GET THE OPPOSITE EFFECT YOU LIMIT THE USES, AND YOU MIGHT END UP WITH MORE VACANT BUILDINGS.

YOU, YOU MENTIONED HIGH RISE.

WHEN I THINK OF HIGH RISE, I THINK OF 300 FEET, TALL HUNDRED AND 20 FEET IS PRETTY TALL FOR THOSE OF US IN THE PRESERVATION LAND.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT I MEAN, RIGHT AT THE OTHER END OF THE DISTRICT, WE'VE GOT THE DRISCOLL AND, AND THOSE OTHERS, WHICH ARE HIGHER THAN THAT.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S A FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION TO BE ABLE TO MIX THOSE USES AND, AND, AND GET THE INVESTMENT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BRING THIS BACK.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND IT'S ON TWO BLOCKS.

OKAY.

I HAD A QUESTION.

UH, WHAT KIND OF SETBACKS ARE Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING UP EXISTING FACADE, STEP BACK, 15 FEET, AND THEN GO UP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, RICHARD.

I WAS, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THIS WOULD BE A, WHEN YOU MENTIONED OFFICE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AN OFFICE WOULD BE A 24, 7, AND MOST, MOST OFFICES ARE NINE TO FIVE, FIVE DAYS A WEEK.

IF THAT Y Y THE MORE THERE A FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL, AND THIS WOULD SEEM A VERY IDEAL PLACE TO TRY TO PUT, EVEN AT, TOWARDS THE BACK OF SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS, YOU PUT IN SOME SEMI AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THAT AREA OR DO ABLE TO HAVE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THE AREA AND THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, REDUCE TRAFFIC? I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF, THERE'S LOTS OF UPSIDES TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RESIDENTIAL.

WELL, I THINK IT'S, WE VIEW IT AS STILL GOING TO BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

NOT MAYBE AS WE SEE IT TODAY, BUT IT'LL STILL BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

AREN'T THAT ENTERTAINING? NO, BUT IN ANSWER TO BLAKE'S QUESTION, IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO INVEST AND LIVE ON AN ENTERTAINMENT STREET.

THE OFFICE IS KEY BECAUSE DURING THE DAY WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO OPEN UP THE RESTAURANTS FOR LUNCH.

AND AN OFFICE IS A DRIVER FOR RESTAURANT USE DURING THE DAY.

AND THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE STREET DURING THE DAY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THERE IN A WHILE, NOT MANY, NOT MANY FOLKS ON SIXTH STREET DURING THE DAY AND AN OFFICE DOES THAT.

SO IF YOU HAVE THE OFFICE, THE RESTAURANTS, A HOTEL, AND THE MUSIC, YOU GET WHAT WE THINK, AND THIS IS ALL STILL A WORK IN PROCESS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS GOING TO MAKE, MAKE IT WORK.

I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT THAT I NOTICED THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION FOR THIS DISTRICT IS AS OLD AS I AM.

SO YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES.

AND I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY HAVE BEEN CHANGES TO THIS DISTRICT OVER THE YEARS THAT YOU SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THERE MIGHT BE PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT CONTRIBUTING THAT TODAY.

IF THEY CUT THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE OFF AT 1925, WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN, PROBABLY

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BECAUSE OF THE 50 YEAR CUTOFF, THERE ARE PROBABLY PROPERTIES THAT THESE DAYS WE WOULD CONSIDER CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT, UM, OR VICE VERSA.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME THAT HAVE CHANGE.

UM, THE ASSESSMENT EVALUATIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE BACK IN THOSE DAYS.

IT WAS MORE OF A HIGH STYLE LANDMARK, KIND OF, UM, CONTRIBUTING, HAD TO MEET A MUCH HIGHER BAR THAN, THAN MOST PEOPLE IN PRESERVATION, UH, IN THE PRESERVATION WORLD CONSIDER TODAY.

IT'S A MORE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE EMILY HELPING US, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

THERE ARE SOME BUILDINGS THOUGH THAT ARE, UM, THEY'RE JUST FLAT, NOT MODERN, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY NEW.

WELL, THE CUTOFF NOW FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS 1972 RICHARD IN THAT WEIRD, AND IT FREAKS ME OUT, BUT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, I'M COMMITTING TO YOU TONIGHT.

WE'RE LOOKING VERY CAREFULLY AT ALL THAT.

AND THE FOLKS WE HAVE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT ARE THE FOLKS THAT YOU ROUTINELY TURN TO ON THESE KINDS OF ISSUES, AND WE'RE TURNING TO THEM AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION, UM, SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT SIXTH STREET.

IT, IT HAS BEEN SOMETHING, IT HAS BEEN A TOURIST DRAW.

IT'S BEEN A FUN PLACE TO GO IN THE PAST, AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IT DETERIORATE, UM, AND HAVE, HAVE PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO HAVE A GOOD TIME, UH, GO BE FEARFUL OF GOING THERE.

SO THANK YOU.

UM, OKAY.

FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO VARIOUS GROUPS.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THE CODE AMENDMENT INITIATED.

THAT'LL GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, AND I'M SURE THAT WILL IN FACT BE BACK TO YOU BECAUSE THEY'LL LOOK TO YOU FOR A RECOMMENDATION ON IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM

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THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THE FIRST ITEM WILL BE, UM, D FOUR ITEM D FOUR.

I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER.

YEAH, CHAIR MYERS.

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT, UH, WHY DON'T WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO TAKE ITEM D IS IT D FOUR AND D FOUR AND D FIVE OUT OF ORDER.

AND I'LL MAKE THAT RIGHT NOW.

OKAY.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECONDARY TO TAKE ITEMS ITEMS D FOUR AND D FIVE OUT OF ORDER.

ONE REASON IS BECAUSE WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE PRESENT TO HEAR THAT, UM, THOSE CASES, AND WE WANT TO HEAR THEM.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF SPEAKERS AND WE SORT OF WANT TO GET THROUGH THAT.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL LATER IN THE AGENDA.

AND THIS IS THE, UM, RETURNING, UH, IT'S, IT'S GONE TO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S COME TO THE, UH, LARGER COMMISSION.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TAKING THESE TWO ITEMS OUT, OR IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? UM, OKAY, SO I'M LOOKING AT YOU, CAROLINE.

OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

OKAY.

IT PASSES, LET'S TAKE ITEMS D FOUR AND D FIVE WHEN IN ROME.

OKAY.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UH, THIS IS THE STAFF PRESENTATION, FOUR ITEMS, D FOUR AND D FIVE TOGETHER, UH, AS THIS IS PART OF AN ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

UH, THAT'S ON TWO SEPARATE PARCELS CURRENTLY, UH, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS GIVEN TWO DIFFERENT ITEM NUMBERS ON THE AGENDA.

UH, HISTORICALLY, UM, THIS ENCOMPASSES MULTIPLE SEPARATE BUILDINGS.

SO FOR CLARITY AND THE STAFF REPORTS, IT WAS BROKEN UP INTO MULTIPLE SUBSECTIONS.

UH, SO JUST, UH, TO READ, READ INTO THE RECORD, WHAT CASES WE ARE DISCUSSING IT'S , WHICH IS THE BUILDINGS ON THE SCREEN THREE, 10 TO 3 12, 12 COLORADO STREET, D FOUR B THE CORNER BUILDING CURRENTLY ADDRESSED AT THREE 18 COLORADO STREET, D FORESEE TWO 11 WEST FOURTH STREET, UH, AND, UH, EXCUSE ME, D FIVE FOR TWO 13 WEST FOURTH STREET NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY, WHICH ENTAILS RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOURTH STREET FACADES BETWEEN 2 0 7 AND TWO 13 WEST FOURTH STREET IN CONJUNCTION WITH CONSTRUCTION OF A HIGH RISE TOWER, UH, BY WAY OF BACKGROUND.

THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR SOME TIME.

THE APPLICANT TEAM MATE, WITH KNIT, EXCUSE ME, MET WITH

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LATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, STEVE SEDOWSKY, UH, FOR A YEAR BEFORE BRINGING THIS FORWARD, I WAS ABLE TO JOIN THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH THE TEAM AND ALSO DISCUSS THE PROPOSAL WITH MR. .

SO I AM, UM, BRINGING THIS TO YOU TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY BASED ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF HIS DIRECTION.

UH, MR. CONDUCTED AN IN-HOUSE HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY WITH BACKGROUND RESEARCH ON BUILDINGS IN THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT IN 2009, BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE NEVER FINALIZED.

THERE'S CERTAINLY AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT'S ELIGIBLE WITHIN THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT.

UM, BUT THAT'S NOT THE LENS THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION NEEDS TO APPLY WITH THESE TYPES OF CASES.

UH, AND SO FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, YOU ARE CONSIDERING WHETHER THESE BUILDINGS ARE INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

MR. SEDOWSKY WAS CLEAR IN OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT HE DID NOT FIND ANY OF THE BUILDINGS WITHIN THIS PROJECT AREA TO INDIVIDUALLY MEET THE CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION AS SUCH.

HE FELT THAT RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FACADES WAS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC STREETSCAPE APPEARANCE AND THIS BLOCK.

UH, SO WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE BACKGROUND RESEARCH ON EACH BUILDING, AND THEN I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

THE BUILDING SET THREE 10 TO THREE 12 COLORADO STREET, OR SINGLE-STORY BRICK WAREHOUSES WITH STEPPED PARAPETS MODIFICATIONS INCLUDE A CENTRAL TILED SECTION WITH A RAISED PARAPET THAT INTERRUPTS THE HISTORIC DESIGN CHANGES TO FINISHED RATION PATTERNS, NON-ORIGINAL AWNINGS AND ROOFTOP ADDITIONS, INCLUDING RAILINGS, A SHED ROOF PAVILION, AND A TENT.

THE BURKHALTER GARAGE BUILDING AT THREE 10 TO THREE 12 COLORADO STREET WAS BUILT IN STAGES BETWEEN 1930 AND 1933.

THE BUILDING AT THREE 10 COLORADO WAS OCCUPIED THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC PERIOD BY BEAR CULTURE, SPRING AND BUMPER SERVICE PER YEAR IN CASWELL RELOCATED THEIR OKAY GARAGE FROM THE 200 BLOCK OF COLORADO TO 3, 3 12, COLORADO BY 1935 BURT CULTURES SPRING AND BUMPER SERVICE OCCUPIED BOTH BUILDINGS BY 1937.

AND THE REMAINDER IS IN THE 1970S WHEN IT BECAME CAPITAL SPRING AND BREAK BY THE MID 1980S, THE BUILDING HAD BEEN CONVERTED TO RESTAURANT USE.

UH, THE BUILDING HAS LOW TO MODERATE INTEGRITY AND STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT IT DOES NOT MEET TWO CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

THE BUILDING'S A MODEST EXAMPLE OF WAREHOUSE BUILDING WITH MODIFICATIONS.

THE HISTORIC USE OF THE BUILDING FOR AUTOMOTIVE SURFACE AND REPAIR IS TYPICAL OF BUILDINGS WITHIN THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT AND DOES NOT HAVE INDIVIDUALLY SIGNIFICANT ASSOCIATIONS.

UH, THE PROPERTY DOES POSSESS A UNIQUE LOCATION AND PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS AS PART OF THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT, WHICH CONTRIBUTES TO THE CHARACTER IMAGE AND CULTURAL IDENTITY OF THE CITY.

BUT THIS ASSOCIATION, AND THEN OF ITSELF IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THIS BUILDING TO INDIVIDUALLY QUALIFY FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, AMBER, IF WE CAN SWITCH TO THE NEXT ONE, UH, THE BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF WEST FOURTH AND COLORADO STREETS IS A SINGLE STORY.

BRICK WAREHOUSE.

THE BUILDING HAS THREE BAYS OF STOREFRONT, WINDOWS AND DOORS BETWEEN BRICK PIERS ON THE COLORADO STREET ELEVATION AND FIVE BAYS ON THE WEST FOURTH STREET ELEVATION.

SOME OF THE PEERS ALONG WEST FOURTH STREET ARE TILED AND MAY NOT BE AT ORIGINAL LOCATIONS WHEN THERE'S INDOORS ARE INCONSISTENT IN THEIR DESIGN AND APPEARED TO BE, HAVE BEEN REPLACED AT DIFFERENT TIMES, WRAPPING THE BUILDING AS A ROLL-UP COURSE OF BRICK AT THE WINDOW HEADERS ABOVE WHICH THE BRICK WORK IS PUNCTUATED BY REGULARLY SPACED VERTICAL FANS, ROOFTOP ADDITIONS INCLUDE A BARREL VOLTAGE STRUCTURE IN THE TENT.

THE JIM'S CAFE BUILDING OR RAINBOW BREAD WAREHOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1936.

UH, JIM AT GREEK AMERICAN RESTAURANT TOUR HAD JIM'S CAFE AND THE CORNER SPACE OF THE BUILDING FROM 1936 THROUGH THE MID 1940S JIM'S CAFE WAS REPLACED BY PAPES GRILL BY THE LATE 1940S.

AND THEN LATER THERE WAS A J AND J CAFE HERE AND THE LATE 1950S, ESPERANZA IS ITALIAN CAFE OPENS AT THE SPACE IN THE LATE 1970S AND THE BUILDING, UH, THIS CORNER SPACE WAS CONVERTED INTO A SALON IN THE MID 1980S.

UH, THE PORTION ADDRESS AT THREE 16 COLORADO STREET WAS INITIALS INITIALLY SAMUEL ROBINSON'S AUTO REPAIR SHOP.

UH, SO THIS IS THE SPACE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THOSE OTHER AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE, UM, BUILDINGS, A FAIR BAKING COMPANY, A SAN ANTONIO BASED REDNECK MANUFACTURER USE THE SPACES OF WAREHOUSE BEGINNING OF THE EARLY 1940S.

THAT COMPANY LATER BECAME PART OF THE RAINBOW BAKING COMPANY BY THE MID 1960S.

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THE BUILDING BECAME A WAREHOUSE FOR THE ADJACENT AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE BUSINESS AT THREE 10 TO THREE 12 COLORADO STREET.

UH, IN 1984, IT WAS CONVERTED TO OFFICE USE AND SUBSEQUENTLY HOUSED ANTIQUE AND FULL ARCH SHOPS.

UH, THE PORTION ADDRESSED AT 2 0 9 WEST FOURTH STREET HOUSED A VARIETY OF OCCUPANTS, INCLUDING A GOVERNMENT PROPERTY STOREROOM FOR THE U S BUREAU OF MINES, THE HOME SERVICE DELIVERY COMPANY, DEAN SIGNS, AND ADDITIONAL STORAGE FOR THE FAIR AND RAINBOW BAKING COMPANIES.

UH, THE BUILDING HAS A MODERATE DEGREE OF ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY AND AS A MODEST EXAMPLE OF A WAREHOUSE BUILDING WITH MODIFICATIONS AS WITH THE PRIOR STAFF REPORTS, UM, THESE ARE TYPICAL BUSINESSES FOR THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT.

AND SO THERE DO NOT APPEAR TO BE SIGNIFICANT INDIVIDUALLY SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS.

OKAY.

THE NEXT ONE, THE BUILDING AT TWO 11 WEST FOURTH STREET, AS A SINGLE STORY, BRICK WAREHOUSE WITH A CURVILINEAR STEPPED PARAPET THAT EXHIBITS MODEST MISSION REVIVAL, STYLISTIC INFLUENCES, DECKER DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDE DIAGONAL TILES AT THE RACE CENTRAL PORTION AND ENDS OF THE PARAPET AND A ROLL-UP COURSE AS COPING THE BUILDING RETAINS ITS ORIGINAL WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS WITH SOLDIER COURSE, HEADERS AT THE LEFT ENDS OF THE FACADE IS AN ORIGINAL MULTILINE STEEL WINDOW WITH A CENTRAL AWNING SASH.

THE ADJACENT DOOR OPENING HAS BEEN INFILLED WITH A FLAT PANEL AND AT THE RIGHT END OF THE FACADE PEAR DOORS, FLANKED BY WINDOWS FILL AND OVER, UH, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY AN OVERHEAD DOOR OPENING.

THE BRICK HAS BEEN PAINTED AND THE BLACK TILE WAYNE SCOTT ADDED, UH, THE LIGHT SEE CAROL FIRESTONE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1936 AS THE HOME OF LEGGETT, W CAROL'S LIGHTSEY CAROL COMPANY, LOCAL DISTRIBUTORS OF MAGNOLIA BEER.

THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITY HAD AN OFFICE IN THIS BUILDING IN THE EARLY 1940S AND EXPANDED INTO THE ADJACENT BUILDING AT TWO 13 WEST FOURTH STREET BY 1942.

THE FIRESTONE RETREAD SHOP OPENED HERE AROUND 1946.

THE BUILDING SERVED AS A TIRE RETREAD BUSINESS SHOP UNTIL THE EARLY 1960S BUSINESSES SERVICING AUTOMOBILE, UM, TRANSMISSIONS.

WE'RE LOCATED HERE IN THE MID 1970S AND THE BUILDING WAS CONVERTED TO NIGHTCLUB USE AND THE LATE 1980S, WELL CAN, HARRY'S EXPANDED TO ENTER THE SPACE FORMERLY KNOWN AS TWO A NINE WEST FOURTH STREET WHEN IT OPENED AT THIS LOCATION IN 1990, GAY BARS ARE BROADLY ACKNOWLEDGED AS A PLACE FOR GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION AND SAFE SPACE FOR THE LGBTQ PLUS COMMUNITY.

WITH OVER 30 YEARS IN OPERATION OIL CAN HARRY'S IS AUSTIN'S OLDEST GAY BAR FOR MANY YEARS, THE BAR, UH, HOSTED FUNDRAISERS, UH, TO BENEFIT A NON-PROFIT PROVIDING SERVICES FOR THOSE WITH HIV AND AIDS.

THE BAR WAS NAMED BY OUT MAGAZINE AS ONE OF THE WORLD'S 50 BEST GAY BARS IN 2008.

UH, THIS BUILDING RETAINS A RELATIVELY A HIGHER DEGREE OF INTEGRITY, UH, THAN THE, THE TWO WE'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY.

IT'S A PARTICULARLY INTACT EXAMPLE OF A UTILITARIAN WAREHOUSE WITH A MODEST MISSION REVIVAL, STYLISTIC INFLUENCES.

UH, THE HISTORIC USES OF THE BUILDING ARE TYPICAL WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN WAREHOUSE DISTRICT.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO OIL CAN HARRY'S AND THE SENSE DENSE.

UM, THIS IS, UH, AUSTIN'S OLDEST CONTINUALLY OPERATED, UH, GAY BAR.

THAT'S STILL IN EXISTENCE.

UM, IT'S REALLY FORMED THE NUCLEUS OF THE, UH, THE GAY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ALONG WEST FOURTH STREET.

UM, ARGUABLY IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE IMAGE AND CULTURAL IDENTITY OF A PARTICULAR GROUP AND TO THE CITY, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF A PROPERTY MUST HAVE ITS BASIS AT LEAST 50 YEARS AGO, UNLESS THERE IS AN ARGUMENT FOR EXCEPTIONAL SIGNIFICANCE FOLLOWING THE NATIONAL REGISTER CRITERIA AND, UH, CRITERIA AND CONSIDERATION G UH, THEY FIT TO YOUR BENCHMARK FOR EVALUATIONS AND TENDED TO GIVE SUFFICIENT PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT IS HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT IN ORDER TO ADEQUATELY EVALUATE MORE RECENT SIGNIFICANCE.

THERE NEEDS TO BE RESEARCH OR OTHER ASSESSMENT OF A PROPERTY'S HISTORIC IMPORT, AS WELL AS COMPARISON WITH RELATED PROPERTIES TO IDENTIFY, WHICH WOULD BEST REPRESENT THOSE HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS.

WELL, OIL CAN HARRY'S IS NOT 50 YEARS OF AGE IT'S STATUS AS A, AGAIN, AS THE OLDEST OPERATIONAL GAY BAR MAY MEET THE THRESHOLD TO DEMONSTRATE EXCEPTIONAL SIGNIFICANCE.

OKAY.

AND FINALLY, WE HAVE, UH,

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TWO 13 WEST FOURTH STREET.

THIS IS A ONE-STORY BRICK COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH A SYMMETRICAL FACADE

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SURMOUNTED BY A STEPPED PARAPET BRICK COLUMNS DIVIDE THE BUILDING INTO FIVE BAYS, FOUR OF THE COLUMNS APPEAR ORIGINAL WITH A NARROWER SECOND BAY FROM THE LEFT.

AS THE BUILDING ENTRANCE, A SECONDARY ENTRANCE TO THE RIGHTMOST BAY APPEARS TO BE A MODIFICATION.

STOREFRONT WINDOWS AND DOOR DOOR OPENINGS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED INCLUDING TO RECESS PHASE TO CREATE OUTDOOR SEATING.

TRANSOM WINDOWS APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL DECORATIVE BRICK WORK INCLUDES A SOLDIER COURSE ABOUT THE TRANSOM RAISED FREEZES AND CRUMBLING AT THE PARAPET.

THE BUILDING HAS A GLASS ENCLOSED ROOFTOP STRUCTURE.

THE PATENT I CAN BOND BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1928 AS THE SOUTHLAND RED BALL MOTOR MOTOR BUS COMPANY, OFFICES AND GARAGE PATENT TRANSFER COMPANY USE THIS BUILDING AS A GARAGE IN THE EARLY 1930S.

AND BY THE MID 1930S, IT WAS A BUS GARAGE AGAIN FOR THE BOAT OR MO MO EXCUSE ME, BUT WHEN MOTOR COACHES AND KERRVILLE BUS COMPANY, THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITY USE THIS BUILDING AS OUR OPERATIONS DIVISION AND THE EARLY 1940S DILLS AND MANUFACTURER OF, UH, BLINDS AND WINDOW SHADES MOVED HERE FROM FOUR, FOUR COLORADO.

BY THE END OF 1944, HAROLD, I CAN BOMB WHO CRAFTED WINDOW DISPLAYS HAD THIS BUSINESS HERE FROM THE LATE 1940S THROUGH THE EARLY 1980S, HAROLD, I CAN BOMB DISPLAYS THE LARGEST DECORATIONS MANUFACTURING FIRM OF ITS KIND IN TEXAS WAS NO EXCUSE ME, KNOWN FOR ITS FLOCKED CHRISTMAS TREES.

THE BUILDING WAS CONVERTED TO COCKTAIL LOUNGE USES BEGINNING IN 1995 WITH THE OPENING OF KANSAS, A GAY BAR, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY HOUSED BOYS SELLERS, QUA AND SELLERS.

UM, THIS BUILDING HAS A MODERATE DEGREE OF INTEGRITY WITH THE MAIN CHANGES BEING THOSE CHANGES TO THE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS.

IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A SMALL-SCALE COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH DECORATIVE BRICK WORK.

UM, BUT AS WITH THE EARLIER BUILDINGS, UH, IT'S THE USES THAT WERE THERE HISTORICALLY ARE TYPICAL OF THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT.

AND AGAIN, AN ASSOCIATION WITH THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT AND THEN OF ITSELF IS NOT ENOUGH TO QUALIFY A BUILDING INDIVIDUALLY FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

SO WITH