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WE'VE GOT EVERYONE, OUR GRILL.

UM, GOOD MORNING.

WELCOME EVERYONE.

THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, AUTHOR ENERGY, 2022 BASE RATE REVIEW TECHNICAL CONFERENCE.

I'M THOMAS .

I'M AN ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY.

UH, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED TODAY BY INTRODUCING THE, UH, OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF AUSTIN ENERGY.

UH, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT LOGISTICS A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE CAN JUMP IN AND BEGIN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO I'LL JUST START WITH MY LEFT.

HELLO EVERYONE.

I'M TIM HARVEY.

I MANAGE THE CUSTOMER RENEWABLE SOLUTIONS TEAM.

GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS RUSTY MANGUS.

I AM THE, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF FINANCE HERE AT AUSTIN ENERGY.

MY NAME IS GRANT RAVEN WITH NEW GEN STRATEGIES AND SOLUTIONS.

THE CONSULTANT HIRED ON BEHALF OF AUSTIN ENERGY TO HELP WITH THIS RATE REVIEW, BRIAN MURPHY, WITH THE RATES TEAM, UH, ANYONE ELSE WITH AUSTIN ENERGY THAT WANTS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, IF NOT THEN, UH, I WOULD NOTE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO TECHNICAL CONFERENCES THAT WE'VE PLACED ON THE PROCEDURAL SCHEDULE.

THE NEXT ONE WILL BE MAY 18TH FROM NINE TO NOON IN THIS SAME ROOM.

SO, UM, FEEL FREE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT ONE AS WELL.

IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UM, ALSO JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, UM, WE WILL BE HANDING OUT SOME DOCUMENTS TODAY.

UM, WE HAD RECEIVED SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE ICA, UH, IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS, UM, CONFERENCE, AND WE HAVE SOME MATERIALS, ANYTHING THAT WE HAND OUT, WE WILL POST THOSE TO THE CLERK'S WEBSITE.

SO OTHER PARTIES WILL BE ABLE TO GET, UM, ACCESS TO THOSE DOCUMENTS AS WELL.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO, UM, PREPARE FULL RESPONSES TO, UH, IN THE SHORT TIME THAT WE'VE HAD.

UM, BUT WE WILL FOLLOW UP.

AND AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT WE PROVIDE, WE WILL POST THOSE ON THE WEBSITE.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GET ACCESS TO THOSE DOCUMENTS, FEEL FREE TO, UM, GO TO THE CLERK'S WEBSITE, IF YOU NEED HELP IN, IN, UM, LOCATING THAT WEBSITE, UM, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME.

I'M HAPPY TO HELP YOU ALL WITH THAT.

SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER, UM, PRELIMINARY MATTERS, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED? UM, LET ME ASK, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, WHO HAS QUESTIONS, UM, TODAY FOR AUSTIN ENERGY.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE SEVERAL, UM, WE'VE RECEIVED THE QUESTIONS FROM, UM, THE ICA.

WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND START WITH THOSE QUESTIONS IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL TO HAVE QUESTIONS, UM, CLARENCE, YOU WANT TO COME AND HAVE A SEAT AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE AND JOHN, YEAH, YOU AS WELL.

I KNOW THIS FEELS REAL FORMAL, BUT WHAT THE INTENTION WAS THIS TOO WAS FOR THIS TO BE A PRETTY INFORMAL BACK AND FORTH.

YEAH.

CLARENCE JOHNSON.

UM, OKAY, GREAT.

UM, THEN WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED? UM, SO YOU ALL PROVIDED US THE LIST OF 16 QUESTIONS PLUS SOME, UM, SUB-PARTS UM, AND WE CAN JUST DIVE IN, UM, THE FIRST QUESTION, UH, DEALING WITH THE COST OF SERVICE MODEL, UM, BRIAN, YOU WANNA TAKE A SHOT AT RESPONDING TO THAT? SURE.

UM, SO AS FAR AS ADDING NEW, UH, CLASS ALLOCATION FACTORS, OUR MODEL WORKS, IT WORKS A LOT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL BOTTLES HE'D SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILT, BUILT BY STAFF AND ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION AND A LITIGATED CASE, OR THAT YOU SEE FOR A LOT OF OTHER UTILITIES.

I GUESS ONE OF THE ONLY DIFFERENCES WE, WE USE DROPDOWN MENUS FOR THE ALLOCATION FACTORS.

SO, UH, WHAT'D SHE'D HAVE TO DO IS GO TO THE WORK PAPER THAT HAS THE CLASS ALLOCATION DATA, AND THAT IS IT'S IN THE F SERIES OF SCHEDULES.

UM, SO SCHEDULE F SIX HAS ALL THE CLASS ALLOCATION PROPORTIONS AT, AND THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED IS FIRST, YOU'VE GOT THE NICKNAME OF THE CLASS ALLOCATION FACTOR IN COLUMN B.

THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO SHOW UP IN THE DROPDOWN MENU WHEN YOU GO TO CHANGE

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AN ALLOCATION FACTOR.

AND IF YOU LOOK TO THE, TO THE LEFT OF THE ROW NUMBERS, I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING FEEDBACK HERE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S LITTLE SUBTOTAL PLOT, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE PLUS SIGN INDICATES A SUBTOTAL IN THE, IN THE MARGIN.

AND IF YOU CLICK ON THOSE, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A BUNCH OF BLANKS IN HERE.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU KNOW, THAT THE WORKPAPERS STRUCTURED SO THAT THE, UH, THE LOOKUP FORMULAS TO FIND THE PROPORTIONS I'VE IDENTIFIED A CERTAIN RANGE.

AND WITHIN THAT RANGE ARE A BUNCH OF BLANKS, RIGHT? SO THE WAY YOU ACCESS THOSE BLANKS IS BY CLICKING ON THESE LITTLE SUBTOTAL LINES.

THE FIRST ONE I SEE FOR EXAMPLE IS IN MICROSOFT EXCEL ROW NINE, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, BLANK FOR THE NAME.

AND THEN THE DESCRIPTION SAYS NOT IN USE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS ALL ON SCHEDULE F SIX.

AND IF YOU JUST SCROLL OVER TO THE RIGHT AND PAST ALL THE PROPORTIONS, YOU'LL GET TO THE ALLOCATION DATA SECTION THAT THE PROPORTIONS ARE BUILT OFF, THAT BEGINS IN COLUMN V.

UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TYPE DATA IN HERE.

AND, UH, I MEAN, I WISH I HAD A SCREEN.

I COULD SHOW YOU, BUT IF YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CHANGING ALLOCATION, ALLOCATION DATA AND ALLOCATION TABLE THAT, THAT CALCULATES THE PROPORTIONS, YOU JUST TYPE IN WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU WANT IN THERE.

AND THEN IT WILL SHOW UP AUTOMATICALLY CALCULATE THE PROPORTIONS.

AND THEN IF YOU RENAME IT AND, UM, COLUMN B CHANGE THE NAME IN COLUMN B TO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO NAME IT, AS IT SHOULD SHOW UP.

THEN WHEN YOU GO INTO THE CLASS ALLOCATION SECTION OF THE MODEL, WHICH IS G SIX, THAT NEW NAMED FACTOR WILL THEN APPEAR RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK IN THE SCROLL DOWN MENU, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A BUNCH OF THEM THAT ARE CALLED BLANK, RIGHT? WELL THAT THE NEW NAME WILL APPEAR AUTOMATICALLY.

AND THERE, THE MACRO AUTOMATICALLY REFRESHES THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, UH, ALLOCATOR NAMES.

SO I PUT THE NEW NAME IN COLUMN B, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? RIGHT.

AND THEN IT'LL SHOW UP IN THE DROPDOWN MENU.

WE'LL SHOW UP IN THE DROP DOWN.

OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT TO ADD THE ALLOCATION DATA STARTING IN COLUMN V AND THEN GOING OUT, SO SHOULD BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

THERE'S PROBABLY 20 OR 30 BLANKS IN HERE.

I'M GUESSING THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO.

BUT IF YOU, IF YOU NEED TO ADD MORE THAN THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW, AND I'LL WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH HOW TO DO THAT.

OKAY.

AND THE ONLY REASON I ASKED THIS QUESTION, I, I USE THIS MODEL THE LAST TIME IN THE LAST CASE.

BUT, UH, AT THAT TIME THEY HAD JUST THE, YOU KNOW, BLANK, UH, BLINDS FOR OTHER ALLOCATION FACTORS.

AND DIDN'T HAVE THE DROPDOWN MENU, I GUESS.

BUT, UH, SO THE DROPDOWN MENU, HOW DO I ACCESS THAT AGAIN? WHAT DO I CLICK ON? UH, SO IF YOU GO TO SCHEDULE G SIX AND YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T JUST TRUE OF CLASS ALLOCATION, IT'S ALSO TRUE FOR THE FUNCTIONALIZATION AND THE SUB FUNCTIONALIZATION CLASSICS SLASH CLASSIFICATION.

AND YOU CLICK ON, UM, THE COLUMN, IT SAYS ALLOCATOR.

SO IN G SIX IT'S COLUMN G YOU SEE A LITTLE GRAY ARROW TO THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHENEVER EXCEL'S BUILT WITH A MACRO THAT HAS A DROPDOWN MENU AND YOU JUST CLICK ON THAT, AND THEN ALL THE FACTORS ARE LISTED.

THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SCROLL TO, TO WHEREVER YOU PUT THE, UH, THE NEW ONE, WE GET STUCK AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON THIS.

IS IT, WOULD IT BE, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE PROTOCOL.

CAN WE CALL AND JUST ASK A COUPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION OR CONCERN IF THEY WANT TO WORK TOGETHER DIRECTLY, THERE MAY JUST BE ONE LITTLE GLITCH AND SOMETHING WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT.

SURE.

OKAY.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON ONE? THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WAS GOING TO MAKE IS IT'LL BE IMPORTANT THAT YOU CREATE A UNIQUE, UM, NAME FOR ANY NEW ALLOCATORS.

UH, IF YOU CAN'T NAME IT, THE EXACT SAME THING THAT ALREADY EXISTS, OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO THE, MODEL'S NOT GOING TO KNOW WHICH ONE OF THOSE YOU'RE INTENDING TO REFER TO, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PRETTY SURE TO BE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

OKAY.

UH, W DID YOU DO SOME ADDITIONAL SUB-PARTS HERE ON THIS QUESTION ONE? UH, AND YES, SIR.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GOING TO GET TO THOSE OR NOT.

SO, ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

UM, SO PART B, PLEASE EXPLAIN OR IDENTIFY THE DATA, WHICH IS PROTECTED AND CANNOT BE MODIFIED.

SO THERE'S NO PROTECTED DATA IN THE MODEL.

OKAY.

THE ONLY HARD DATA THAT COMES IN, YOU CAN FIND IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DIG DOWN INTO THE WORK PAPERS, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S HARD CODED INPUTS FROM

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THERE.

OF COURSE, IT'S ALL FORMULAS.

SO EVEN THOUGH THE FORMULAS ARE NOT PROTECTED, YOU CAN OVERWRITE THEM.

YOU WILL BREAK THE MODEL.

IF YOU, YOU KNOW, TYPE INTO A CELL THAT HAS A FORMULA, YOU KNOW, AND IT, AND IT DOESN'T FLOW THROUGH TO THE REST OF THE MODEL.

UM, SO WITH THAT CAVEAT, I GUESS WHEN YOU SAY, UH, SO IN ORDER, SO IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE ALLOCATION FACTOR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE FORMULA OR, OR NOT.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

ONCE YOU'VE BUILT THAT ALLOCATION FACTORS, IF YOU SELECT THE DROPDOWN MENU, YOU SHOULD BE GOOD.

OKAY.

OKAY.

IS THAT, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP ON SUBPART B? OKAY.

SO PART C PLEASE IDENTIFY THE CELL OR CELLS, WHICH SHOW HOW THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER CHARGE IS CALCULATED.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE IT MIGHT BE HARD TO FOLLOW, I GUESS I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DIRECT YOU TO IT.

UM, IT IS THE UNIT COSTS ARE SHOWN IN SCHEDULE G EIGHT AND THE CUSTOMER CHARGE IS DESIGNED BASED ON THE UNIT COSTS.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY SET DIRECTLY TO THE UNIT COST OF THE UNIT COSTS CAN BE FOUND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CLASS C SCHEDULE G SIX.

YOU HAVE TO SCROLL QUITE A WAYS DOWN SCHEDULE G SIX.

I'M STILL, I'M STILL SCROLLING.

OH, I'M SORRY.

IT'S ON SCHEDULE GA THE, UH, THE CLASS ALLOCATIONS ON GSX AND IT IS MICROSOFT EXCEL CELL J 4 36 AND SHOWS $24 AND 66 CENTS PER CUSTOMER PER MONTH.

SO I GUESS WE'VE ROUNDED UP TO 25.

YEAH.

I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY.

SO WE DO HAVE METERS, WHICH ARE FUNCTIONALIZED TO DISTRIBUTION, BUT THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS CUSTOMER.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A SMALL PIECE THAT GETS PULLED IN FROM THE DISTRIBUTION FUNCTION.

AND THAT IS, UM, IF I CAN FIND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR YOU, IF I REMEMBER IT'S SOMETHING LIKE $10 MILLION, AND WHILE BRIAN'S DOING THAT, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THAT WORKSHEET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THE VALUE, AND THEN YOU CAN JUST CLICK ON THE CELL AND LOOK AT THE VALUE AND IT'S A FORMULA, AND YOU CAN JUST GO BACK TO THE SOURCE, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW IT UP THE WORKSHEET TO SEE WHERE EVERY NAME NUMBER CAME FROM, UH, ULTIMATELY, UM, INCLUDING WHERE THEY ORIGINALLY CAME OFF OF ANOTHER SCHEDULE G SIX.

SO THAT'S THE TRACE PRECEDENCE THING.

YEP.

YEAH.

SO CELL J 1 27 SCHEDULED GA SHOWS THE METER COSTS ASSIGNED TO THE RESIDENTIAL CLASS.

THAT'S $10.9 MILLION.

AND IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY THE NUMBER OF THE, OR, SORRY, I SHOULD SAY THE GET ADJUSTED NUMBER OF CUSTOMER MONTHS, ABOUT 5.7, THAT GIVES YOU AN AMOUNT OF $1 91 CENTS PER CUSTOMER PER MONTH FOR METER COSTS.

AND THEN ALL THE REST OF IT IS THE, ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRETY OF THE CUSTOMER FUNCTION IS CLASSIFIED AS CUSTOMER.

AND IF YOU ADD THAT UP AND DIVIDE BY CUSTOMER A MONTH, YOU GET $22 AND 76 CENTS PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE.

YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD, UH, CLASSIFY THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LET'S SAY NINE ACCOUNT NINE 20 OR 9 21 BY, YOU KNOW, A CUSTOMER COMPONENT OR NOT.

UH, YEAH.

SO THE, THE AAG ACCOUNTS, I I'D SUGGEST YOU START WITH A SCHEDULE G ONE.

AND SO G ONE IS GOING TO BE A LISTING OF HOLISTIC LISTING OF ALL THE FERC ACCOUNTS AND ALL THE EXPENSES IN TOTAL, WHICH THINK IT FUNCTION IT FUNCTIONALIZED, UM, TO PRODUCTION, TRANSMISSION, DISTRIBUTION, AND CUSTOMER.

SO ON THAT WORKSHEET, YOU WILL SEE EVERY DOLLAR THAT ENDS UP IN THE CUSTOMER

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FUNCTION, WHICH THEN GOES ON TO A SUBSEQUENT WORKSHEET TO BE ALLOCATED OUT TO, TO CUSTOMER CLASSES.

BUT IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THE DOLLARS INVOLVED IN BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THE CUSTOMER FUNCTION, THAT THAT WORKSHEET WOULD, WOULD TELL YOU THOSE DOLLARS AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW, I JUST GOT SOME MORE, I NEGLECTED TO TELL YOU GUYS GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S PROTECTED AND WHAT'S NOT.

AND I MENTIONED THE HARD-CODED VALUES.

WE IDENTIFY THOSE WITH LIGHT BLUE SHADING IN THE MODEL.

SO WHEREVER YOU SEE, LIGHT BLUE SHADING, THAT INDICATES A HARD-CODED VALUE.

OKAY.

I THOUGHT I SAW SOME LIGHT BLUE SHADING SOMEWHERE.

SO THAT'S THE REASON I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION MINISTRY MYSTERY IS SOLVED.

OKAY.

LET'S SEE.

THERE'S MORE, THERE'S ANOTHER SUBPART, RIGHT? SO SOME PART D DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT SUBPART C? NO, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.

OKAY.

SO PART D SAYS AND USING THE MODEL, IS THERE A WAY FOR THE USER TO MOVE MORE QUICKLY BETWEEN SHEETS I'M CHUCKLING? BECAUSE I WISH THERE WERE, UH, THERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF WORKSHEETS IN THE MODEL.

I MEAN, THE ONLY WAY I KNOW REALLY IS TO DO THE THING WHERE YOU, RIGHT.

CLICK ON THE ARROW, THAT, THAT, THAT SCROLLS, THE SH THE WORKSHEETS AND THAT YOU COULD JUMP INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT ABSENT THAT NO, WE DIDN'T BUILD ANY KIND OF, UH, HYPERLINKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

I THOUGHT MAYBE IN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, YOU MIGHT HAVE A HYPERLINK TO GET TO THE SCHEDULES, BUT, UH, OKAY.

UH, THE, THE ONLY OTHER OBSERVATION THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A FORMULA, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PRAY, UH, TRACE PRECEDENCE.

SO YOU CAN FIND WHERE ALL THE VALUES THAT ARE REFERRED TO IN THAT FORMULA, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY BE TAKEN TO THOSE CELLS AND IN THE WORKSHEET.

UM, AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH, WE CAN CERTAINLY SHOW YOU HOW THAT WORKS AND MAY OR MAY NOT BE HELPFUL TO YOU.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN LET'S MOVE ON.

WE'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT OUTSIDE CITY RATES, UH, GRANT.

YEAH.

SO THE THAT'S A CITY RATES.

THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SUB PORTIONS OF THIS QUESTION, BUT, BUT THE, THE, THE FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION IS ESSENTIALLY DOES AUSTIN ENERGY PROPOSED TO, DOES, CAN YOU DISCONTINUE THE, UH, DIFFERENT RATES THAT ARE ASSESSED TO CUSTOMERS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AS COMPARED TO INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS? AND THE ANSWER IS LARGELY YES.

AND FOR BASE RATES, THE ANSWER IS YES, THERE, THERE WILL STILL CONTINUE TO BE A DIFFERENCE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE SOUTH SERVICE AREA, LIGHTING PA PASS THROUGH, WHICH IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO CUSTOMERS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

BUT, BUT WHEN LOOKING AT THE BASE RATE COMPONENTS OF THE, OF THE OVERALL PROPOSAL, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE CYLINDERS CUSTOMERS SHALL BE, UH, CHARGED THE EXACT SAME BASE RATES.

UM, THERE, THERE WAS THEN A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THAT THEN WOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE BILL IMPACT TABLES THAT ARE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE MODEL ITSELF.

AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WORKSHEET AND THE QUESTION YOU REFERENCED, THE SPECIFICALLY A WORKSHEET THAT LOOKS AT BILL IMPACTS FOR CUSTOMERS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

AND SO THAT WORKSHEET IS REFLECTIVE OF THOSE OF THE STARTING POINT, UH, BEING DIFFERENTIATE RATES, THE CURRENT RATES, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT BETWEEN INSIDE AND OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS, YOU KNOW, ARE REFLECTED IN THAT WORKSHEET.

UM, SO IN OTHER WORDS, CUSTOMERS OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS ARE STARTING FROM A DIFFERENT BILL THAN CUSTOMERS INSIDE CITY LIMITS, BUT THEN FOR THE PROPOSED RATES, UM, FOR AT LEAST FOR THE BASE PORTION OF THE BILL, IT WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING AT INSIDE OR OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS CUSTOMERS.

AND I'M NOT SURE IT WAS, THAT WAS THAT IN DEIDRE QUESTION.

YES.

YES.

WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT SHOWS A PERCENTAGE SAY FOR A RESIDENTIAL TIER, DOES, YOU KNOW, OFF, DOES THAT INCLUDE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO, FOR THE OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS MOVING FROM A RATE THAT INCLUDED THAT 5%, UH, REDUCTION AND THEN TO THE POST RATE.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, IS THERE ANOTHER BUILDING? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE WAS A BILL IMPACT SCHEDULE THAT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE CITY.

IS THERE, YOU MEAN COMBINED TOGETHER? NO.

THAT EVERYTHING IS SEGREGATED OUT BETWEEN INSIDE AND OUTSIDE AND IN THE PRESENTATION.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE FINAL PORTION OF YOUR QUESTION, UH, ASKED FOR A QUANTIFICATION OF, UH, THE, THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE DIFFERENCE REPRESENTED BY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INSIDE AND OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS.

AND I GUESS I WILL CLARIFY JUST BRIEFLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT AS

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FAMILIAR WITH THIS TOPIC.

IT IS NOT A DISCRETE 5%, I GUESS THE QUESTION COUCHED THE DISCOUNT AS BEING A 5% DISCOUNT.

IT'S NOT EXACTLY THAT.

I MEAN, IT, THERE ARE DIFFERENT RATES, IT'S NOT FORMULAICALLY, YOU KNOW, 5%.

SO JUST FOR ANYONE ELSE, THAT'S LISTENING, BUT NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT SET UP.

UM, AND SO WE, WE HAVE A CALCULATION THAT IDENTIFIES, YOU KNOW, WHAT BASE RATE REVENUES FOR CUSTOMERS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, UH, WOULD BE UNDER THE CURRENT RATES, IF THEY WERE PAYING THE RATES THAT INCITES THEM, ITS CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING.

UM, AND SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MECHANISM IS, BUT WE HAVE THAT NUMBER.

WE CAN PROVIDE IT TO YOU.

UM, IT IS, UM, PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL CLASS, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME SMALL DIFFERENCES FOR A COUPLE OF THE COMMERCIAL CLASSES, THE DOLLARS INVOLVED ARE PRETTY DIMINIMOUS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN MOVING ON TO THREE.

YEAH.

WE'VE GOT A MULTIPLE PART QUESTION ADDRESSING LOW DISPATCH, DISPATCH EXPENSE, UH, GRANT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE? ABSOLUTELY.

SO, UM, I GUESS THE, THE OVERALL QUESTION IS ASKING ABOUT LOAD DISPATCH AND ALL OF THE FORMS WHERE IT SHOWS UP IN THE ANALYSIS.

AND I GUESS I'M GOING TO START WITH, UH, THE LOO DISPATCH THAT SHOWS UP WITHIN THE PRODUCTION RELATED ACTIVITIES.

UM, AND SO THAT'S, UH, THAT WOULD BE IN FORK ACCOUNT 5, 5, 6.

SO, AND I GUESS THE BEGINNING OF THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINED IT TO HOW THE, THERE IS A, WHAT IS LABELED RECOVERABLE AND NONRECOVERABLE, UH, EXPENSE IN THAT, IN THAT FORK ACCOUNT.

AND SO UNIVERSALLY, AND IT'S NOT JUST IN THIS PERK ACCOUNT, BUT IT SHOWS UP IN A COUPLE OTHER PLACES AS WELL, BUT UNIVERSALLY IN THE RATE FILING PACKAGE, THE REFERENCE TO RECOVERABLE IS IN REFERENCE TO RECOVERABLE THROUGH THE PSA, THE POWER SUPPLY ADJUSTMENT, AND SO DOLLARS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE RATE VOLUME PACKAGE AS BEING RECOVERABLE ARE DOLLARS THAT END UP BEING RECOVERED THROUGH THE PSA.

AND SO THEREFORE NOT IN, IN BASE RATES.

SO THAT TAKES THAT, THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE DOLLARS THAT ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR ACCOUNT FOR 5, 5, 6, THERE ARE SOME DOLLARS IN A FERC ACCOUNT, 5, 5, 6, UM, BETTER NONRECOVERABLE AND ABOUT, UH, AND THIS IS AN ESTIMATE, BUT AROUND 70% OF THOSE DOLLARS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, RELATED TO ERCOT ADMIN FEES.

AND THOSE, THOSE DOLLARS END UP IN A DIFFERENT PASS THROUGH, THEY END UP IN THE REGULATORY CHARGE.

SO THOSE DOLLARS HERE, AGAIN, DO NOT END UP IN, IN BASE RATES.

THERE'S THEN A VERY SMALL ROW RELATIVE.

THE OTHER NUMBERS IN THAT ACCOUNT, THERE'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT ARE THEN ASSOCIATED, UH, WITH, UH, NONRECOVERABLE, UH, 5, 5, 6 THAT IS DOESN'T END UP IN THE REGULATORY CHARGE.

AND THAT DOES END UP IN REC BASE RATES.

AND THOSE ARE PREDOMINANTLY COSTS, UH, THAT ARE RELATED TO, UM, EMO THE, THE PEOPLE, THE PERSONNEL AND AUSTIN ENERGY THAT ARE THEIR ENERGY MARKET OPERATIONS FOLKS.

AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT PIECE OF, UH, OF, OF, OF THAT OVERALL ACCOUNT DOES END UP IN BASE RATES.

OKAY.

NOW, AS I RECALL, UH, ON, I LOOKED AT THE SCHEDULE WITH 5 56, IT ON, UH, FOR THE, UH, RECOVERABLE, IT WAS A NEGATIVE NUMBER AND THEN, OR EXCUSE ME FOR THEM.

YEAH.

I THINK FOR THE RECOVERABLE, IT WAS A NEGATIVE NUMBER AND THEN A POSITIVE NUMBER FOR NONRECOVERABLE.

I WAS ASSUMING THAT THE POSITIVE NUMBER WAS WHAT, WHEN IT WENT INTO THE BASE RATES, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S MOSTLY DID NOT GO INTO BASE RATES.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO, UM, THE, THE, THE POSITIVE NUMBER THAT'S SMALLER, THE TWO, UH, NUMBERS THERE AND ABSOLUTE TERMS, UM, THE MAJORITY OF IT, 70% OR SO APPROXIMATELY ENDS UP AT A REGULATORY CHARGE.

SO, UH, ONLY A SMALL SUBSET OF THAT OVERALL FORK ACCOUNT ENDS UP IN, IN BASE RATES.

AND IT'S RELATED TO PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF PEOPLE THAT DO THE, UH, ENERGY MARKET OPERATIONS FOR AUSTIN ENERGY.

OKAY.

AND, UM, I ASSUME THERE'S A SCHEDULE THAT WOULD SHOW ME WHAT THAT PAR PORTION IS, OR YOU CAN, YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN FIND THAT ON SCHEDULE G OVER

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TO PROBABLY TO, UM, YEAH.

PRODUCTION, IF YOU, IF YOU'LL REFER TO SCHEDULE G2, UM, AND GO DOWN TO THE RELEVANT, UH, FERC ACCOUNT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, $8.4 MILLION APPROXIMATELY IN A COLUMN LABELED OTHER, AND IT'S OTHER, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ENDED UP, IT ENDS UP IN A PASS THROUGH CHARGE.

UM, AND THEN THE REMAINDER, THE ROUGHLY $2.6 MILLION THAT, THAT IS LEFT IN THAT BURKE ACCOUNT ENDS UP IN, UM, IN BASE RATES.

AND IT'S ALLOCATED TO IT ON A DIFFERENT WORKSHEET ON, ON A SCHEDULED .

IT IS THEN ALLOCATED TO CUSTOMER CLASSES BASED OFF THE ERCOT 12 CP.

OKAY.

YOUR NEXT QUESTION, UM, WAS ABOUT, UM, OTHER POWER EXPENSES THAT SHOW UP IN, UH, ANOTHER WORK ACCOUNT AND THEN FOR ACCOUNT 5, 5, 7.

UM, AND MY, MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, IS THAT THOSE ARE PREDOMINANTLY LABOR RELATED EXPENSES, UM, OF AUSTIN ENERGY.

AND WE CAN GIVE BACK TO YOU ON EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE.

OKAY.

AND IT LISTS ANY, IF ANYBODY HAS, UM, SOME FURTHER EDIFICATION ON THAT.

YEAH.

JUST GOING TO GET BACK ON THAT.

UH, SO THE, THE, THE WHY THE OTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, AND HOW ARE THOSE COSTS THAT ARE QUOTE UNQUOTE, OTHER POWER EXPENSES, UH, HOW ARE THEY ALLOCATED? AND THEY ARE ALLOCATED TO CUSTOMER CLASSES BASED OFF ERCOT 12 CP.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE, I GUESS THE SECOND HALF OF THE QUESTION IS ABOUT LOW DISPATCH EXPENSES, UM, THAT ARE MORE RELATED TO THE, THE WIRES, THE, THEIR TRANSMISSION AND THE DISTRIBUTION FUNCTION.

AND SO THOSE, THOSE EXPENSES ACTUALLY SHOW UP IN, IN DIFFERENT, UH, FOR ACCOUNT NUMBERS THEN, AND THEN THE 5, 5, 6 THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THUS FAR.

AND SO THERE, THE, THE PR THE ONES THAT ARE RELATED TO TRANSMISSION WIRES SHOW UP IN FERC 5 61 AND DISTRIBUTION SHOVAN 5 81.

AND SO, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN SEPARATE FERC ACCOUNTS, THEY ARE ALREADY, UM, IN A SENSE FUNCTIONALIZED TO THOSE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS.

NOW, AS YOUR QUESTION SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, ARE THESE THE SAME PEOPLE? SO FOR THE WIRES, UH, PORTION, SO MEANING THE TRANSMISSION, THE DISTRIBUTION PORTION, THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE MAKING THOSE, UM, UH, MONITORING THE SYSTEM, MAKING, UH, THOSE, UH, ADJUSTMENTS OVERALL ARE THE SAME PEOPLE, UM, IN THE SAME CONTROL ROOM, PRESUMABLY, UM, IT'S BUT, BUT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, SEPARATED OUT IN TERMS OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'RE PERFORMING BETWEEN TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION.

THEY'RE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT, THAT SHOW UP IN, IN THE PRODUCTION RELATED, UM, LOW DISPATCH.

THE, THAT IS, UH, THAT'S A SEPARATE GROUP OF PEOPLE.

OKAY.

AND I THINK THERE WAS THEN A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE, THE, THE, THE T AND D THE TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION, UH, COSTS END UP BEING ALLOCATED TO CUSTOMER CLASSES.

UM, THE TRANSMISSION, UM, RELATED LOAD DISPATCH COSTS ARE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE REGULATED, UH, REGULATED BY THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION OF TEXAS.

AND SO THEY, THEY DON'T GET ALLOCATED TO CUSTOMERS AND, AND THIS ANALYSIS, BECAUSE TH TH THOSE COSTS AREN'T RECOVERED, UH, IN BASE RATES, UM, FOR THE DISTRIBUTION RELATED LOW DISPATCHING, THOSE ARE ALLOCATED TO CUSTOMER CLASSES BASED OFF THE, UH, 12 NCP ALLOCATOR.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, ON, UM, SCHEDULE G SIX

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I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW CLEARANCE, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SEPARATE ACHY.

I USED TO CALL THAT EITHER A SUB FUNCTIONALIZATION OR A CLASSIFIED SUB FUNCTIONALIZATION DISTINCTLY FOR LOW DISPATCHING, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF UNUSUAL.

SO IT HAS ITS OWN DISTINCT, UH, LINE ITEM IN THE CLASS ALLOCATION IT'S, UM, IT SAYS G SIX ROW 20 MICROSOFT EXCEL ROW 27 AND I, I DON'T S I BELIEVE I MAY HAVE COVERED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS IN THAT LOAD DISPATCH SECTION, BUT IF YOU THINK I'VE MISSED SOMETHING, FEEL FREE TO POINT THAT OUT TO ME.

UM, I THINK THE ONLY THING YOU SAID YOU MIGHT NEED TO GET BACK TO ME ON WAS THE OTHER POWER EXPENSES I HAVE TO, UM, OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR THREE.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO FOUR.

YOU'RE ASKING WHERE THE PROOF OF REVENUES IS, UM, BRIAN.

SURE.

SO YOU GO TO WORK PAPER H DASH FIVE, THAT WHOLE SERIES OF THE PROOF OF REVENUE STATEMENTS FOR EACH CLASS.

AND, UM, I AM TEMPTED TO WALK YOU THROUGH ONE OF THEM AND GIVE YOU THE LAY OF THE LAND, BECAUSE OUR PROOF OF REVENUE STATEMENTS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED THAN WHAT YOU'D TYPICALLY SEE.

UM, SO YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT, I GUESS, A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFUL, UH, IN, IN TRYING TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT INSIDE CITY AND OUTSIDE CITY BROKEN OUT SEPARATELY FOR THE PRESENT BASED REVENUES CALCULATIONS.

AND THEN, UM, OF COURSE WE ALSO HAVE A CHANGE TO THE TIER STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

SO THE TIER STRUCTURE FOR THE CALCULATION OF PRESENT BASED REVENUES IS DIFFERENT THAN THE TIER STRUCTURE FOR THE CALCULATION OF PROPOSED SPACE REVENUES IN EACH TIER.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE A SEPARATE SECTION FOR RESIDENTIAL CAP CUSTOMERS.

SO YOU HAVE TO ADD A KIND OF ALL THE KWH AND ALL THE REVENUES, UH, TOGETHER, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE I GUESS, LOOKING TO DO.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE CAVEAT, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE PASS THROUGH STUFF DOWN BELOW, AND IT STARTS, THERE'S A HEADER THAT SAYS OTHER CHARGES WHEN YOU GET TO THAT, YOU'RE NOT, IT'S NOT BASE RATES ANYMORE.

NOW YOU'RE INTO THE PAST THROUGH STUFF.

SO I'M SURE I'VE MADE THE MISTAKE OF ACCIDENTALLY PULLING IN STUFF THAT'S PASSED THROUGH STUFF.

AND THEN IF YOU GO PAST, IF YOU SCROLL TO THE RIGHT ON THESE PROOF OF REVENUE SCHEDULES, THERE'S LIKE A COST TO SERVICE SECTION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, JUST PULLS IN THE UNIT COSTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CLASS, WE'VE GOT THE UNIT COST SHOWN STATED AS A DOLLARS PER, UH, KWH, UH, C IS THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A UNIT COST IN HERE.

THERE'S AN ENERGY UNIT COST IN HERE AND THE COST OF SERVICE SECTION.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS IN THAT.

AND FRANKLY, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO JUST SPEAK OFF THE CUFF.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WE NOT, WE HAVEN'T CLASSIFIED ANY OF THE COSTS THAT ARE FEEDING THAT AS ENERGY RELATED.

UH, AND THEN IF YOU KEEP SCROLLING YOU YET AND YOU GO OUT TO RATE EACH YEAR, THERE'S A SEPARATE SECTION FOR INSIDE AND OUTSIDE CITY FOR RATE YEAR ON THAT CORRESPONDS TO PR REVENUES UNDER PROPOSED RATES.

AND IT'S THE SAME THING AS FAR AS REVENUE AS CAP AND ANOTHER NON CAP, RESIDENTIAL BEING BROKEN OUT SEPARATELY.

AND THEN THE CAUTIONING ABOUT THE TIER OF THE CHANGE TO THE TIER STRUCTURE.

YOU CAN SEE THE NEAR THE NEW TIER STRUCTURE, UH, IN COLUMN N FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROOF OF REVENUES, YOU KNOW, ZERO TO 300, UH, AT 300 TO TWO FA UH, 1200 AND ABOVE 1200.

AND THEN IT ALSO SHOWS SHOW THE KW AGENT INSIDE THAT'S RIGHT.

AND IT ALSO SHOWS THE NUMBER OF KWH IS THERE THAT ARE IN KIND OF THE, UH, THE MARGINS BETWEEN WHERE THE NEW PROPOSED TIERS ARE AND THE OLD AND THE OLD TIERS WHERE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, CURRENT TIER ONE IS ZERO TO 500 NEW PROPOSED TIER ONE TO ZERO TO 300.

SO IN THE PROPOSED RATES,

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YOU ALSO HAVE AN INCREMENT FOR THREE TO 500.

SO IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET TO APPLES, TO APPLES WITH ZERO TO 500, YOU'D ADD THOSE, ADD THOSE TWO TOGETHER.

AND THE SAME THING AS THEN, WE'VE GOT 500, 1000.

YOU CAN SEE THE UNITS AND THE REVENUES FOR THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A THOUSAND KWH BREAK POINT IN THIS CASE.

SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK SO.

I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT, UH, I, I DON'T RE PART OF THE REASON I ASK THIS QUESTION IS I THINK I HAD NOT REVIEWED WORK PAPER H FIVE.

SO, UH, BUT I'LL LOOK AT THAT.

I HAVE A RELATED QUESTION, JUST, JUST FOR MY CURIOSITY, I ASSUME WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR PROPOSAL, YOU TAKE, YOU'RE TAKING THE, UM, THE ACTUAL REVENUES THAT YOU HAD AND JUST APPLYING THEM TO THE NEW YOU'VE TAKEN THE SAME KWH, OR YOU'RE NOT, UM, ASSUMING THAT THERE'S GOING TO, OR ARE THERE ANY CHANGES THAT YOU ARE, THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IN THE WAY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONSUME UNDER THE NEW PROPOSED, UH, TIERS AND PROPOSED? NO, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY ADJUSTMENTS SAY FOR A PRICE RESPONSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PRICE ELASTICITY OF DEMAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF KWH IS OF THE SAME UNDER CURRENT AND PROPOSED RATES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO QUESTION FIVE, QUESTION FIVE HAS THREE PARTS, UM, GRANT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS? SOME PART A AND B.

SURE.

UM, SO THE FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION IS DID THE AVERAGE BILLS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE BILL IMPACT SHEETS, AND THERE'S A REFERENCE TO A SCHEDULE INCLUDE PASSER REVENUES OR ONLY BASE RATE REVENUES.

IT IS INCLUSIVE OF THE WHOLE BILL.

SO THERE IS AN, A PASS THROUGH REPRESENTATION IS, IS IN THAT NUMBER IS NOT JUST THE BASE RATE PORTION OF THE BILL.

UM, AND THEN THE QUESTION GOES ON TO ASK, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN, HOW COULD YOU SEE JUST THE BASE RATE PORTION? AND SO THERE IS NOTHING ALREADY SET UP IN THE MODEL, UM, TO SHOW YOU JUST THE BASE RATE PORTION OF THE BILL IMPACTS, BUT YOU COULD VERY EASILY, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE PASS-THROUGH RATES THAT ARE BEING REFERENCED TO CALCULATE THE BILLS THAT ARE ON THAT WORKSHEET ARE ALL OFF TO THE RIGHT ON THE WORKSHEET ITSELF ON THE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SCROLL OVER TO THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE, THE WORKSHEET, ALL THE COMPONENT PIECES ARE, ARE LISTED OUT THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN A HIDDEN COLUMN.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO UNHIDE THE COLUMN.

UH, IT WAS JUST FOR PRINTING PURPOSES, IT WAS GOING TO BE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PRINT THAT.

UM, BUT YOU CAN GO IN AND JUST DELETE ALL OF THE PAST THROUGH, UH, COMPONENTS OF THE BILL AND THE WORKSHEET WILL THEN DISPLAY, YOU KNOW, ONLY THE, THE BASE RATE PORTION OF THE BILL IMPACT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE WAY THAT THE, THE WORKSHEET WAS DESIGNED.

UH, BUT, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT IS THE ANSWER THAT YOU'LL GET OUT OF THAT PROCESS.

I WOULD JUST CAUTION YOU, IF YOU DO DELETE THOSE, YOU KNOW, EITHER SAVE THAT AS A SEPARATE VERSION OR DON'T SAVE IT, IF YOU'RE INTENDING TO GO BACK AND WANTING TO SEE THE FULL BUDGET BILL IMPACT.

SO IS THERE A ROUGH PERCENTAGE THAT THE BASE RATES REFLECT OF THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL BILL? I WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT.

I DON'T WANT TO GET BOTH OF THESE FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER.

THE, UM, YEAH.

SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT PROPORTION OF THE, OF THE, THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL BILL OR THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL BILL IS, UM, IS BASE REVENUES AND HOW MUCH IS EVERYTHING ELSE? I BELIEVE IT'S ROUGHLY 50, 50.

UH, THAT'S IT, THE REST OF YOU, DOES THAT SEEM RIGHT TO YOU? YEAH.

IN OUR PRESENTATIONS, UM, WE ASSERT THAT BASE REVENUES MAKE UP ABOUT HALF, BUT THAT IS BASED ON ALL THE SYSTEM SYSTEM-WIDE.

SO WE LOOKED AT SYSTEM WIDE BASED REVENUE AND SYSTEM WIDE PASS THROUGHS, AND I THINK THAT'S A 52 48 SPLIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND I JUST WONDERED HOW THAT APPLIED TO THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, I, I HAVEN'T, WELL, WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

THANKS.

BUT, BUT CERTAINLY THE DATA IS IN THE COST OF SERVICE TO CALCULATE IT.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

ANYTHING MORE ON AMB? WELL, I DIDN'T ANSWER B YET.

UM, BUT THE PART B WAS, UM, IF AUSTIN ENERGY HAD DONE ANY ANALYSES OF ALTERNATIVE RATE TIERS AND THE ANSWER'S, NO.

AND WITH RESPECT TO SUBPART C UM, AUTHOR, ENERGY'S NOT, UM, CREATED ANY SPREADSHEET OR EXCEL WORKSHEET, UM,

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TO, TO BE USED TO EVALUATE BILL AND PACKS.

UM, I'M NOT EVEN CERTAIN HOW THEY WOULD GO ABOUT DOING THAT, FRANKLY.

UM, WELL, UH, UH, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF LIKE DOING A PROOF OF REVENUES, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, MICROPHONE.

YEAH.

I GUESS MY THOUGHT WAS THAT IF ONE WERE TO PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE TIERED RATE STRUCTURE AND GIVEN WHAT WE'VE GOT, WHICH IS A HUGE COST OF SERVICE STUDY THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S ATTACHED TO THAT, THAT THOSE SCHEDULES, UH, BILL IMPACTS WERE ATTACHED TO THAT.

UM, WELL, I, IT JUST SEEMS DIFFICULT, UH, WITHOUT HAVING THAT, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU HAD A SEPARATE SPREADSHEET THAT WAS JUST A SIMPLER, YOU KNOW, A SIMPLE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE, HERE ARE OUR RATES, HERE ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, KWH IS BY, YOU KNOW, INCREMENTS OF USAGE.

AND, UH, THAT ONE COULD USE THAT TO TRY TO EVALUATE AS OPPOSED TO USING THE MODEL, WHICH FOR ONE THING, I MEAN, ASSUMING EVEN THAT I, FOR INSTANCE, I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT IN THE MODEL.

UH, IT MEANS LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO SAVE A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THE MODEL EACH TIME I DO IT.

AND, UH, SO I GUESS THAT'S, I WAS, THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

I, I WAS KIND OF HOPING MAYBE, UH, THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD ONE LAYING AROUND THAT YOU'D USED YOURSELF, UH, TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT DIFFERENT RESULTS MIGHT COME FROM DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT TIERS OR DIFFERENT, UH, UH, RATES FOR THE TIERS.

BUT ANYWAY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ANY CONSOLATION, BUT WE DO.

I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD NEED, IF YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, WERE TO FILE A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, WITH A DIFFERENT BREAK POINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN PROBABLY GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.

OKAY.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

OKAY.

YEAH.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE SORT OF THE GENERIC LAYING AROUND AS YOU PUT IT.

UM, OKAY.

UM, THEN MOVING ON TO SIX, UM, ASKING ABOUT THE TREATMENT OF TRANSPORTATION COSTS AND REVENUES, UM, UH, BRIAN.

SURE.

SO I GUESS MAYBE YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THIS SOMEWHAT, BUT JUST TO GET A KIND OF SENSE OF THE LAY OF THE LAND, UH, AND MAPPING IT TO FAMILIAR TERRITORY IN TERMS OF HOW, HOW IT'S DONE WITH TD USE OR WITH VERTICAL OTHER VERTICAL UTILITIES IN TEXAS THAT ARE REGULATED BY THE PUC, UM, WHOLESALE T COST IS IT'S JUST LIKE FOR ANY OTHER TSP IN THAT THE DOLLARS ARE ASSIGNED TO THE TRANSMISSION FUNCTION AND, UH, BY VIRTUE OF FUNCTIONALIZING THOSE COSTS OF TRANSMISSION THEY'RE OUT OF THE BASE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, RETAIL BASE RATE REVENUE REQUIREMENT, AND THERE'S NO NEED TO FIDDLE WITH THEM AFTER THAT.

RIGHT.

UM, SO THAT'S THE WHOLESALE TRANSMISSION COST PIECE FOR AUSTIN ENERGY AS A TSP.

THEN I BELIEVE ALSO IN THE TRANSMISSION FUNCTION, WE SHOW RETAIL TRANSMISSION EXPENSES, RIGHT? SO OUR SHARE OF THE COSTS OF TRANSMISSION GRID SERVICE THAT AUSTIN ENERGY HAS TO ACQUIRE TO SERVE ITS NATIVE LOAD, RIGHT? SO PAYING EVERYBODY ELSE FOR TRANSMISSION SERVICE.

SO THE ENCORES AND THE CENTER POINTS AND ALL THAT, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THAT IS NOT RECOVERED IN AUSTIN ENERGY'S BASE RATES.

THAT'S AN IRREGULATORY CHARGED PASS THROUGH COST RECOVERY MECHANISM.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF LIKE A TDU AND ERCOT THAT RECOVERS ALL OF THEIR RETAIL TRANSMISSION EXPENSES THROUGH THE TCRF.

RIGHT.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER STUFF IN THERE.

I THINK GRANT MENTIONED OR ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.

THERE'S SOME, SOME STUFF IN THERE AS WELL, AND THE REGULAR AND THE DETERMINATION OF THE REGULATORY CHARGE, BUT THAT'S WHERE RETAIL TRANSMISSION EXPENSES GO.

RIGHT.

SO THE ONLY PIECE LEFT IS WHAT ABOUT, UH, REVENUE CREDITS? SO THERE'S, IF YOU LOOK AT SCHEDULE WORK PAPER, SORRY, WORK PAPER, RATHER E 4.2, THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE THE, UH, LET'S SEE.

NO, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ONE

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PAPER, SORRY.

A WORK PAPER E 5.1 SO THERE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, TOWER USAGE FEE REVENUES, AND, UM, LOOKS LIKE CELL ARE 37.

IT'S ABOUT 820,000 TOWER APPLICATION FEES, $30,000.

SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MISCELLANEOUS STUFF FOR YOU.

SO THE TOWERS INFRASTRUCTURE, MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE TRANSMISSION IS ABOUT 600,000 THAT'S ON CELL R 62, AND THIS IS ALL IN WORK PAPER, EFI 0.1.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DETERMINING THE, YOU KNOW, MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE CREDITS, BUT THAT'S CREDITS TO WHOLESALE T COSTS.

NONE OF THAT AFFECTS THE, UH, RETAIL BASE REVENUE REQUIREMENT.

YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, YOU KNOW, A NORMAL PDU OR CO TDU AT THE COMMISSION.

AND MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT, UH, EVEN THOUGH THE TRANSMISSION COSTS ARE DEALT WITH SEPARATELY, THE, IN DETERMINING THE REVENUE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TDU, THERE IS BASICALLY A, AN ADJUSTMENT OR REVENUE ADJUSTMENT.

THAT'S THE, BASICALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, WHAT THEY HAD TO PAY, WHAT THE UTILITY HAD TO PAY, UH, FOR ITS OWN USE OF TRANSMISSION BUYING, I GUESS, ESSENTIALLY TRANSMISSION FROM ERCOT VERSUS THE, YOU KNOW, UH, AMOUNT OF REVENUE IT RECOVERED, UH, FROM THE ERCOT, YOU KNOW, AND AT THAT ADJUSTMENT BECOMES AN ADJUSTMENT TO REVENUE REQUIREMENT IN BASE RATES, YOU KNOW, ON I'M SAYING, OR IS THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT.

I, YOU KNOW, THE TD USE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND THAT THEY ARE ACQUIRED BY THE COMMISSION TO COME IN AT THE SAME TIME, BOTH FOR THEIR WHOLESALE T COSTS AND THEIR RETAIL RATES, RETAIL DELIVERY RATES, AND, UH, TO BE SET SO THAT THE TOTAL COMPANY REVENUE REQUIREMENT IS A CONSTANT, UM, IN THAT PROCESS, I DON'T RECALL EVER HAVING PARTICIPATED IN A CASE WHERE THE TD USE ACTUAL WHOLESALE TRANSMISSION REVENUES WERE USED IN ANY WAY, UH, IN, UH, IN THE DETERMINATION OF THE WHOLESALE T COST OR RETAIL DELIVERY REVENUE REQUIREMENT.

NOW IT CAN GET CONFUSING BECAUSE I KNOW CENTER POINT AND ENCORE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.

AND ACTUALLY, YOU MAY REMEMBER I TOOK ISSUE WITH HOW CENTERPOINT TREATS IT AND 4, 9 41.

UM, SO IT, IT CAN GET CONFUSING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S CORRECT THAT WHOLESALE, ACTUAL WHOLESALE TRANSMISSION REVENUES ARE USED IN ANY WAY, AT LEAST NOT IN ANY TDU RATE CASE THAT I'VE EVER PARTICIPATED IN.

WELL, OKAY.

I, I THINK THEY ARE, THEY HAVE BEEN, BUT LET ME JUST ASK THIS QUESTION THEN IF SUPPOSING THE AMOUNT, UH, THAT LET'S SAY, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY TAKES IN MORE REVENUE, WHOLESALE REVENUE THAN IT PAYS IN RETAIL FOR EAT FOR RETAIL, UH, UH, TRANSMISSION COSTS, UH, WHERE IS THAT REVENUE DEALT WITH OR THAT DIFFERENT DEALT WITH, IS IT DEALT WITH IN A PASS THROUGH RATE OR IS IT, UH, WELL, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PUC HAS JURISDICTION OVER AUSTIN, ENERGY'S WHOLESALE T COSTS, RIGHT? AND AUSTIN ENERGY FILES AND EARNINGS MONITORING REPORT WITH THE COMMISSION EVERY YEAR.

AND DURING EVERY YEAR, SINCE WE

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LAST HAD A FULL T COSTS, SHANIQUA'S 2006, THE COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED OUR EARNINGS MONITORING REPORT EVERY YEAR AND HAS NOT FOUND THAT AUSTIN ENERGY IS OVER EARNING AND HAS NOT CALLED AUSTIN ENERGY IN, FOR A FULL T COSTS.

BUT THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY WHOLESALE TRANSMISSION THAT ARE ABOVE THE LEVEL OF WHOLESALE TRANSMISSION COSTS THAT AUSTIN ENERGY'S INCURRING, THAT'S A DETERMINATION FOR THE COMMISSION TO MAKE.

RIGHT.

SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A DETERMINATION THAT WOULD BE THE END RESULT OF A FULL T COST PROCEEDING.

RIGHT? I'M AN OVERDOING HERE IS WE'RE JUST SEGREGATING OUT WHOLESALE COSTS AND WE'RE SEGREGATING OUT WHOLESALE REVENUES.

AND WE'RE SAYING THOSE ARE NOT RELEVANT TO SETTING RETAIL RATES IN THIS CASE.

OKAY.

SO ARE, IS THERE ANOTHER PASS-THROUGH THAT, UH, WOULD RECOGNIZE THIS, THE REVENUES AND THE COSTS, OR IS THERE A PASTOR RATE? YEAH.

SO UNDER THE REGULATORY CHARGE, THERE'S A TRUE UP, I'M GOING TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

SO IN TERMS OF THE RETAIL TRANSMISSION EXPENSES, IT'S DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, AND THERE'S A RECONCILIATION, THERE'S A TRUE OP OF, YOU KNOW, BILLING UNITS AND COSTS.

SO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS EXACTLY LIKE THE TCRF IN ARCATA.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.

SO THE RETAIL SIDE IS, IS TRUED UP ON AN ONGOING BASIS ANNUALLY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I SEE PROBABLY SOMETHING I NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOME MORE, SO I CAN'T REALLY ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON IT.

SO I THINK WE CAN GO TO SEVEN OTHER THAN, WELL, I GUESS THERE IS A SUB-PART C HERE IS RIGHT.

OH, I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

LET ME GO HELP YOU WITH THE DOCKET NUMBERS HERE.

SO I BELIEVE THE MATRIX DOCKET THAT WE USED TO CALCULATE THE LEVEL OF RETAIL TRANSMISSION EXPENSE THAT'S SHOWN IN THIS MODEL IS DOCKET NUMBER 5 1 6 1 2.

SO THAT WOULD BE BASED ON HER COT LOAD IN 2020.

AND THE MOST RECENT ONES IS SUBPART C DOCKET NUMBER 5, 2 9, 8 9 WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.

I HAVE 2 8, 9, 9.

IS IT 8, 909? I BELIEVE IT'S 9, 8, 9.

OKAY.

UM, SO THAT'S, UH, OR CAUGHT LOAD DURING CALENDAR YEAR, 2021.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

QUESTION SEVEN.

ASK ABOUT NON NUCLEAR DECOMMISSIONING FUNDING, UM, GRANT.

YEAH.

UM, SO THERE IS, UM, WELL, THERE'S TWO RELEVANT, UM, DOCUMENTS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO YOU IN THAT REGARD.

UH, ONE I'LL POINT YOU TO AUSTIN ENERGY'S FINANCIAL POLICY NUMBER 21, WHICH HAS A REQUIREMENT THAT AUSTIN ENERGY, UM, BEGIN TO SET ASIDE FUNDS FOR A MINIMUM OF FOUR YEARS PRIOR TO THE EXPECTED PLANT CLOSURE DATE.

UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF QUANTIFYING THE, THE, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH DECOMMISSIONING, THE VARIOUS PLANTS, UM, THERE WAS A STUDY CONDUCTED, UM, IN 2015, UM, THAT THAT DOES CONTAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, QUANTIFICATION OF THAT OBLIGATION.

UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAKE AVAILABLE.

YES.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

YEAH.

LET US PULL THOSE AND WE'LL GET THOSE TO YOU.

ONE MOMENT.

I, I JUST LIKE TO ADD, ADD TO THAT, THAT THOSE DECOMMISSIONING COSTS WERE AN ISSUE IN THE LAST RIGHT CASE.

UM, AND, UH, CONSEQUENTLY, AFTER THE LAST RIGHT CASE, WHICH WAS SETTLED, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY HAS, UM, FOUR FULL YEARS, UM, CONTRIBUTED $8 MILLION.

SO WHAT, UM, WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS COST OF SERVICE IS A HISTORICAL COST GOING BACK THREE, FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER THE, SINCE THE 2017 CASE BECAME EFFECTIVE.

WELL, DID YOU CHANGE THE, UH, THE AMOUNT AS A RESULT OF THE CASE, OR IF MEMORY SERVES WHAT WE REQUESTED WAS, UH, MORE THAN THE $8 MILLION, ALTHOUGH

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IT WAS SETTLED, UM, UH, AT SOMETHING LESS, UH, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

THE REDUCTION TO BASE REVENUES WAS MUCH GREATER THAN, UH, THE REDUCTION AUSTIN ENERGY HAD REQUESTED.

AND SO WE FOUND AN AMOUNT THAT WE COULD AFFORD.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

QUESTION EIGHT HAS THREE PARTS, A, B, AND C AND UNQUOTE ON A SUB PARTS, A AND C.

AND THESE DEAL WITH FAYETTE AND STP EXPENSE INFORMATION.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET BACK ON THAT.

I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION MAY BE COMPETITIVE.

AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT BEFORE WE RESPOND TO IT, SUBPART B HOWEVER, ADDRESSES, UM, LABOR EXPENSES AND, UM, ALL I CAN GONZALEZ, UM, BELIEVE IS CAN, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

WE CAN, WE CAN GIVE YOU FPP AND STP LABOR BY FARC.

OKAY.

AND IT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG FOR ME TO GET CONFIRMATION ON PARTS A AND C JUST WASN'T ABLE TO DO THAT YESTERDAY.

CLARENCE AND THE SAME IS TRUE ON, UH, I THINK OF MELBOURNE COMING UP, BUT WE'LL GET TO IT.

UM, SO QUESTION NINE, DEALING WITH GAS GENERATION PLANTS, UH, BY THE WAY, I'M ON EIGHT, UH, SEE, YEAH.

YOUR ANNUAL CAPACITY FACTOR FOR EACH POWER PLANT.

I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS CONSIDERED CONFIDENTIAL, BUT I THOUGHT I SAW SOMEWHERE ON AES WEBSITE WHERE THERE WAS A REPORT THAT SHOWED THE CAPACITY FACTORS FOR THE UNITS.

BUT, UH, AND MAYBE I'LL JUST ASK THIS CLARIFYING QUESTION.

ARE YOU ASKING FOR NAMEPLATE CAPACITY OR ARE YOU ASKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT? NO, JUST NAMEPLATE.

OKAY.

I MEAN, NOT THE, I MEAN, THE CAPACITY FACTOR THOUGH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ANNUAL, UH, ENERGY USE OR ENERGY SUPPLY, YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE, A NAMEPLATE NAMEPLATE CAPACITY NAMEPLATE WOULD NOT, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT'S ON THE WEBSITE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING, UH, ANNUAL COULD BE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CONFIRM.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE IS ON THE WEBSITE, UH, SOME REPORTS THAT ARE, UH, UH, REPORTS FOR POWER PLANTS AND SO FORTH.

HOWEVER, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE THE MOST RECENT DATES.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I ASKED THE QUESTION.

I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU MIGHT HAVE AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT'S MOST CURRENT.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

AGAIN, LET ME JUST GO BACK AND CHECK IT.

SHOULDN'T TAKE VERY LONG AND WE'LL SEE WHAT'S ON THE WEBSITE AND THEN WE'LL CONFIRM, UM, IF THERE'S NO CONFIDENTIALITY CONCERNS, WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY PROVIDE IT, UH, ABOUT THE ANC.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

NOW, MOVING ON TO NINE, UH, GRANT.

YEAH.

SO QUESTION NINE IS ASKING FOR THE PLANT BALANCES FOR DIFFERENT GENERATION UNITS.

AND SO LET ME START BY THE EASY PART OF THIS.

UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THE RATE FILING PACKAGE ITSELF, THE TOTAL ORIGINAL COST GROSS PLANT, UH, BY FARC ACCOUNT AND SCHEDULE B AS IN BOY, ONE FURTHER, YOU CAN SEE THE ACCUMULATED DEPRECIATION BY BURKE ACCOUNT FOR ALL GENERATION, UM, AND SCHEDULE B FIVE.

SO IF YOU SUBTRACT ONE FOR THE OTHER, YOU'LL GET THAT PLANT BALANCE.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING THAT BREAKS THAT OUT BY UNIT.

SO THE INFORMATION THAT I, THAT I'M SEEING AND THAT IS AVAILABLE IN THE RATE FILING PACKAGE IS AT THAT LEVEL AT THE FORK ACCOUNT LEVEL, NOT BY GENERATION STATION OR, OR UNIT, UM, HM.

IN TERMS OF THE GAS GENERATION, THAT'S IN THE COST OF SERVICE.

AS I RECALL THAT THERE WERE S THERE IS GAS GENERATION COSTS THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE STUDY BECAUSE IT'S, UH, RETIRED, UH, CORRECT, UH, RETIRED THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR, TH THERE WERE SOME DECKER, UH, UNIT, UH, OPERATING EXPENSES, UH, THAT, THAT WERE REMOVED, UH, FROM, FROM THE ANALYSIS.

THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.

AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF UNITS ARE LEFT AT DECKER THAT, UH, MERCEDES

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YEAH, THE, THE REMAINING UNITS AT DECKER OR COMBUSTION TURBINES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ANYTHING MORE ON NINE? NO.

OKAY.

UM, ONE MOMENT.

ALRIGHT.

UM, QUESTIONS, UH, TENANT DEALING WITH UNCOLLECTABLE EXPENSE.

UM, OKAY.

THANKS RUSTY.

SO THE QUESTION IS PROVIDE THE ANNUAL UNCOLLECTABLE EXPENSE FOR EACH OF THE THREE YEARS PRIOR TO 2020.

UH, THOSE AMOUNTS COMMENCING WITH 2017 ARE $4,862,275 2018, $4,504,989 2019 $44,326,336.

AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH 2020 $4,893,724.

SO THE FIRST YEAR YOU GAVE ME WAS, UH, 2017.

OKAY.

OKAY.

HI THERE FOR PART B ELAINE, THE SILCA VICE PRESIDENT OF CUSTOMER ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT.

UM, WE TRACK BANKRUPTCIES BY RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL.

SO WE DON'T HAVE DATA AVAILABLE TO THAT.

THE REQUESTED LEVEL OF SPECIFY THE CITY.

OKAY.

I GUESS, I GUESS THAT'S ALL ON ALL COLLECTIBLE.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO 11, UH, ADDRESSING METER READING.

UM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO APPROACH THOSE? WELL, I BELIEVE I CAN ADDRESS A QUESTION.

A PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW METER READING COSTS ARE DIVIDED BETWEEN WATER WASTEWATER, UTILITY AND AUSTIN ENERGY METER READING COSTS ARE ALLOCATED TO AUSTIN WATER BASED ON THE NUMBER OF MANUAL METER READS.

UM, AND, UH, ABOUT 99.4, 4% GOES TO AUSTIN WATER AND WASTEWATER.

OKAY.

SO BASICALLY VERY LITTLE METER READING COSTS, UH, IS ASSIGNED TO, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

UH, QUESTION BE ASKED FOR AN ANALYSIS OF THE SAVINGS AND METER READING EXPENSE ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE OF DIGITAL SMART METERS.

UM, AUSTIN ENERGY DOES NOT HAVE ANY STUDY OR SUCH ANALYSIS I GATHER, UH, IS IT SINCE, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY LITTLE OF THE MA THE METER READING EXPENSES ALLOCATED TO AUSTIN ENERGY THAT, UH, THAT'S DUE TO THE FACT THAT, UH, UH, YOU HAVE DIGITAL METERS, RIGHT.

THAT CAN BE, UH, NOW I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW THAT, HOW THEY READ, READ THOSE IS THAT GO IN BY RADIO TO, UH, OR BY CELL OR CELL PHONE OR SOMETHING TO, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE LOCATION OR IS THAT JUST BY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY PERSONNEL DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND PICKING UP THE DATA? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S, IT'S FULLY, IT'S FULL AMI, SO IT, UH, THE READS COME OVER A NETWORK INTO OUR SYSTEM.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, AND THEN ON C YEAH.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET BACK TO YOU ON, SEE OKAY.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

THEN ON, UH, 12, UH, DEALING WITH ELECTRIC METERS PART A, UH, SO OPT OUT OF OUR AMI PROGRAM IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

UM, THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE OPTED OUT.

UM, SO THEY HAVE A NON AMI METER IS LESS THAN ONE

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10TH OF 1%.

IT'S LIKE 0.09%.

OKAY.

AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY ELECTROMECHANICAL METERS.

AND, UM, OKAY.

WE'LL NEED TO, BACK TO YOU CLEARANCE ON PART B THAT, UM, AND I'M PART C UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE THAT'S THE SAME INFORMATION THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IN, UM, RCA ONE DASH SIX, AND THOSE RESPONSES ARE DUE ON MONDAY.

AND SO WE'LL, UM, ANSWER IT THEN IF FOR SOME REASON YOU FEEL LIKE, UM, SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS BEING ASKED IN THIS ONE, ONCE YOU GET OUR RESPONSE, LET US KNOW, AND WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT.

I, I THINK I JUST REPEATED THE REQUEST PROBABLY CAUSE I WAS UNDER THE SAME TOPIC, BUT, UH, AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GET THE RESPONSE OR YOU DO LOOK AT IT CLOSELY AND, AND FEEL LIKE WE'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, JUST LET US KNOW AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP.

OKAY.

UM, UH, ON MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES, UH, OFTEN ENERGY DOESN'T MAINTAIN, UM, THIS INFORMATION BY CLASS.

OKAY.

UH, IS THE, YOU KNOW, I LIST HERE AS A SEPARATE ITEM CHARGED FOR REACTIVATION OF SERVICE AFTER DISCONNECTION.

IS THAT PART OF THE SERVICE INITIATION FEE? I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I SHOULD BREAK THAT OUT AS A SEPARATE ITEM OR NOT, UH, SEPARATE, SEPARATE.

OKAY.

UH, AND EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, MY CLASS, IS IT, UH, IS THERE A SCHEDULE WHERE I COULD SEE THESE ITEMS IN THE REVENUES FOR THEM, OR JUST, EVEN IF IT'S NOT BY CLASS, LOOK FORWARD HERE.

IT'S LIKE WORK PAPER E DASH 5.1, ITEMIZES THOSE, UH, THE TOTAL AMOUNTS.

OKAY.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

THEN QUESTION 14, DEALING WITH 3, 1, 1 EXPENSE, UM, THAT HAS TWO PORTIONS.

UM, SO PART A BRIAN.

SURE.

SO WORK PAPER, E DASH 4.2 SHOWS THE, UH, COMPONENTS OF THE AMOUNT THAT'S GOING IN TO BASE RATES.

BEAR WITH ME HERE.

I'M GOING TO GO THERE.

SO THIS WORK PAPER CAN BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.

UM, WHAT THIS WORK PAPER IS SHOWING IS HOW NON ELECTRIC EXPENSES ARE DETERMINED AND REMOVED.

BUT IN ADDITION TO NON-ELECTRIC THREE, ONE, ONE CALL CENTER STUFF ALSO GETS PULLED IN HERE.

SO THE AMOUNTS THAT ARE BEING USED HERE TO BACK THIS BACK, 3, 1, 1 OUT, IF YOU REVERSED THE SIGN, YOU CAN CONSIDER THOSE TO BE THE, UM, THE AMOUNTS THAT ARE GOING TO THE REVENUE REQUIREMENTS.

SO IT SHOWS A TOTAL OF $2.8 MILLION, AND THERE'S A BREAKOUT OF VARIOUS ACCOUNTS UNDER AN HOUR.

AND YOU'RE JUST IN THAT BREAKOUT CLEARANCE.

YES.

OKAY.

SO, UM, 3, 1, 1 REIMBURSEMENT SERVICES.

SO THIS, I GUESS WOULD BE AMOUNTS WERE THAT THE THREE, ONE, ONE CALL CENTER RECEIVES, UH, AS, AS REVENUE OFFSETS, THAT'S $9,066,618.

AND THEN THERE'S THREE, ONE, ONE CALL CENTER OPERATIONS, 7 MILLION, $210,591.

THAT'S ON THAT SCHEDULE.

RIGHT? I SHOULD NOTE THAT THAT 9 MILLION, THAT WOULD BE AN ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE OPPOSITE SIGN AS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSE AMOUNTS THAT ARE GOING IN.

AND THE NEXT ACCOUNT IS 3 1, 1 TECHNOLOGY AND SUPPORT OPERATIONS.

THAT'S 2 MILLION, $200,000, SORRY, 2 MILLION, $200,710, 3, 1, 1

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CLIENT RELATIONS, OUTREACH AND CRM SYSTEMS, $1,871,414.

AND FINALLY, 3, 1, 1 CITY-WIDE INFO CENTER, $589,289.

AND A, THE, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ALL THOSE IS 10 MILLION, 800, $5,385.

SO THAT WOULD BE, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST THAT'S GOING INTO THE REVENUE REQUIREMENT? WHAT WAS THE NUMBER AGAIN YOU GAVE FOR THE TOTAL 2,805,385? UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, UH, UH, MEMPHIS, WE MISSING SOMETHING.

MAYBE I NEED TO LOOK AT THAT WORK PAPER, BUT, UH, IT, UH, THOSE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP TO, TO 2.8 MILLION, RIGHT.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS, IS IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, OPPOSITE SIGN VALUE.

SO THE EXPENSE SIDE IS 11 MILLION, $872,003.

AND THEN THE REVENUE SIDE IS THAT FIRST VALUE I GAVE YOU 9 MILLION.

OKAY.

YEAH.

ALRIGHT.

AND YOU SAID THIS WAS G UH, EXCUSE ME, E 4.2.

IS THAT WORK PAPER 4.2? OR IS THAT JUST THE SCHEDULE? YES, SIR.

WORK PAPER E 4.2.

OKAY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH.

YES.

YEAH.

AND THE, FOR THE SECOND PART, WE DO TRACK THE DURATION OF EVERY SINGLE CALL THAT WE TAKE AT THREE ONE, ONE.

AND, UH, THAT IS, UH, THAT TIME.

UH, THAT'S WHAT WE USE TO, UM, TO SEGMENT, UH, THE BUDGET AND ALLOCATED BACK TO EACH CITY OF BOSTON DEPARTMENT.

OKAY.

UH, SO IT'S A TIME DURATION OF CALLS.

AND IS IT A TIME DURATION OF CALLS BY PARTICULAR TYPES OF ISSUES? I ASSUME YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE ISSUE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DEPARTMENT, SO W WE TRACK IT BASED ON THE DEPARTMENT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THEY CALL FOR A SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT AND YOU'LL GET A LIST OF, UM, THE, THAT BUDGET ALLOCATION BACK TO EACH DEPARTMENT.

OKAY.

SO THERE'S SOME YOU'RE GETTING DOES TO US LATER ON THIS.

YEAH.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO, UH, I GUESS WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION.

ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT QUESTION DEALS WITH, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AND IT'S, UM, ASKING FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS.

THE FIRST PORTION OF THAT QUESTION ASKS FOR, UM, DETAILS REGARDING THE PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT.

UM, THE OTHER PIECES OF THAT QUESTION, UH, GRANT YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT? ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SO THE, THE SPECIFIC, UM, AMOUNTS, UH, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH ARE CAPTURED IN FOLK ACCOUNT 9 1, 1 CAN BE SHOWN, OR IT CAN BE SEEN ON SCHEDULE .

AND THEN IF YOU THEN LOOK AT SCHEDULE G SIX, IT'LL SHOW YOU HOW THAT IS BEING ALLOCATED TO CUSTOMER CLASSES.

AND IT'S BEING ALLOCATED BASED OFF A KEY ACCOUNTS ALLOCATED THAT'S DEVELOPED IN THE RIGHT AND PACKAGE.

SO THE KEY ACCOUNT ALLOCATOR IS USED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I GUESS WE HAVE, I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION, I GUESS, I GUESS.

UM, UH, CAUSE I RECALL SEEING THE KEY ACCOUNT ALLOCATION FACTORS IN THE STUDY.

SO THEN I, I HAD THOUGHT THOSE KEY ACCOUNT ALLOCATIONS CAME FROM THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE PERSONNEL WHO HANDLE KEY ACCOUNTS SPEND ON VARIOUS CUSTOMER CLASSES.

IS THAT CORRECT? OR, YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WORK PAPER IN THE RE-POTTING PACKAGE ITSELF THAT, THAT SHOWS THE PROPORTION OF KEY ACCOUNT STAFF, UM, EFFORT, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THE VARIOUS CUSTOMER CLASSES THAT THEN LEADS TO THAT ALLOCATOR.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

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THEN LASTLY, UH, QUESTION 16 DEALING WITH CALL CENTER, UH, JERRY, MAYBE NOT HERE.

YEAH.

SO I CAN HELP YOU WITH THE FIRST PART OF THIS CLARENCE.

UM, SO FIRST PART IS PLEASE IDENTIFY THE AMOUNT OF AES CALL CENTER COSTS AND THE SCHEDULES, WHICH CONTAIN THE COST.

SO THE, THOSE AMOUNTS ARE CONTAINED IN FERC ACCOUNTS, 9 0 3 9 0 8 9 29, 21 AND NINE 30.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING NOW.

IT'S NOT THE FULL AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE IN THIS WORK ACCOUNTS.

IT'S A COMPONENT OF THE TOTAL THAT'S INCLUDED IN THOSE ACCOUNTS.

AND WE ARE WORKING ON, WE HAVE KIND OF A SENSE OF, OF HOW THAT BREAKS OUT, BUT, UM, IT HASN'T SORT OF GONE THROUGH FULL QUALITY CONTROL.

SO ONCE WE'RE DONE CLEANING THAT UP AND VETTING IT, WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE PART B YOU WILL GET A BREAKDOWN OF THE MAJOR CALL TYPES THAT WE HANDLE IT.

THE UTILITY CONTEXT CENTER FOR ALL CITY OF BOSTON UTILITIES AT A HIGH LEVEL IS ABOUT A THIRD STAR