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GOOD EVENING.

[CALL TO ORDER]

THIS IS THE MEETING OF THE AUSTIN HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.

IN CASE YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE TO LIVE MUSIC VENUE OR SOMETHING, I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER CALLED THE ROLE.

TERRY MYERS CHAIRMAN I'M HERE.

BEN-HAIM SETH VICE CHAIR.

I SEE YOU'RE VIRTUALLY.

YEP.

THANK YOU.

AND IT'S THE CASTEEL YEAH, THANK YOU.

WAIT FEATHERSTON HERE.

KEVIN COOK HERE.

CARLA ROCHE HERE.

KELLY HAS LEFT THE BUILDING.

THERE WILL BE, UM, THERE'S ALREADY AN APPOINTMENT FOR HER POSITION, BUT SHE'S STILL GOING THROUGH TRAINING.

SHE'LL BE HERE NEXT TIME TREATMENT QUARTER BLAKE TILL IT BETH ON SUELA.

I SEE.

AND CAROLINE RIGHT HERE.

I WANT TO JUST STATE, UH, JUST UPFRONT THAT BECAUSE WE ARE MISSING, UM, A SEAT ON THE COMMISSION.

OUR SUPER MAJORITY IS BASED ON A COMMISSION OF 10.

WE NEED EIGHT VOTES TO BE A SUPER MAJORITY IN ANY CASE, UM, IN ANY ACTION THAT WE TAKE TONIGHT, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT? ANYONE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, NUMBER ONE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE AGENDA AND OF CERTAIN ITEMS WILL BE PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.

THERE'LL BE CONSENT ITEMS. THAT MEANS IF NO ONE ON THE COMMISSION OR FROM THE PUBLIC HAS ASKED TO ONCE TO SPEAK TO THESE, THEY WILL BE PASSED ON CONSENT.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN TO AN ITEM THAT IS LISTED FOR CONSENT, PLEASE GET MY ATTENTION.

UH, RAISE YOUR HAND, UM, SHOUT NICELY, AND WE CAN PULL THAT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.

UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DISCUSSION ITEMS ALREADY ON OUR AGENDA, UM, BUT WE WILL TAKE ANYTHING.

UM, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT POLLED THAT IS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

WE ALSO HAVE, UH, SEVERAL POSTPONEMENTS THAT ARE APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENTS AND WE WILL VOTE ON, UM, ON THEM AS WELL.

THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM MAY 4TH, 2022.

THAT'S OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

WE HAVE NO BRIEFINGS TONIGHT UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS, A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC ZONING OR DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING AND REQUEST TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF HISTORIC ZONING.

IT WILL BE THE FIRST ITEMS NUMBER A 1 16 17 NEW YORK AVENUE.

THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM, EIGHT TO 1403 EASTER EASTER EAST CESAR CHAVEZ STREET WILL BE DISCUSSION A 3 9 0 2 EAST SEVENTH STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

A 4, 3 10 TO THREE 12 COLORADO STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM, A 5,000 316, 3 8 TO THREE 18 COLORADO AND TWO, A ONE TO 2 0 9 WEST FOURTH STREET WILL BE DISCUSSION ITEM A SIX TO 11 WAS FOURTH STREET WILL BE DISCUSSION AND A SEVEN TO 13 WEST FOURTH STREET DISCUSSION BECAUSE THESE LAST FOUR ITEMS, UM, ARE ASSOCIATED UNDER ONE DEVELOPMENT, UM, INITIATIVE.

WE WILL DISCUSS THESE TOGETHER UNDER BEAD DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS B 1 44 0 2 SPEEDWAY.

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT B 2 5 0 4 EAST FIFTH STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

IT'S ON OUR AGENDA AS CONSENT, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED, UM, UH, TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FOR CLARIFICATION ITEM B3 1100 EAST

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EIGHTH STREET WILL ALSO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM IT'S LISTED FOR CONSENT.

BUT STAFF HAS ASKED TO PULL THIS UNDER, SEE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS WITHIN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS.

SEE 1 14, 11 ETHERIDGE AVENUE WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

C2 8 0 4, RATHER FOR THIRD PLACE, WE'VE RECEIVED REVISED PLANS FOR THIS BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN YOUR BACK UP.

THIS WILL BE OFFERED FOR CONSENT APPROVAL ITEMS. C3 FIVE 12 EAST MONROE STREET.

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT ITEM, C 4 18 0 3, KENWOOD AD AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

WE HAVE SPEAKERS REGISTERED IN OPPOSITION OF ITEM C FOR, OKAY.

WE WILL PULL THAT FOR DISCUSSION ITEMS, C5 13, 15 AND 1317 NOONAN AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT ITEM, C 6, 12 0 5.

ALTA VISTA AVENUE IS LISTED, UM, AS FOR CONSENT.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A SPEAKER ON THIS AS WELL.

SO THIS WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

ITEM C7 9 0 6.

MALLORY STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT APPROVAL ITEM C 8 14 0 6.

ALTA VISTA AVENUE IS ON OUR AGENDA AS A CONSENT ITEM.

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ALSO NO.

OKAY.

THIS REMAINS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

I'M SORRY.

ITEM C 9 31 0 4.

HARRIS BOULEVARD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT UNDER SEAT 10 18, 10 MOLAY DRIVE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

SEE, 11 14 0 7 HARTFORD ROAD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM C 12 19 0 9.

KENWOOD AVENUE IS LISTED AS A CONSENT ITEM.

WILL THIS ONE BE POLLED? OKAY.

THIS WILL NOW BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

UNDER D DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION ITEM D ONE, 2002.

SCENIC DRIVE WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE ON OUR AGENDA.

IT HAS THE, UM, PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED OR BEING BUILT IN 1929.

I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE 1923.

MADAM CHAIR.

DID WE SKIP C 12 DEADLINE? NO, THAT'S BEING PULLED FOR DISCUSSION AS THERE AS A SPEAKER AND OPPOSITION 1909 KENWOOD.

YES, THAT'S ALL THAT WAS OFFERED FOR CONSENT, BUT IT HAS BEEN PULLED BY A SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION.

SO IT'LL BE DISCUSSION.

SO D ONE IS DISCUSSION D TO 1100 EAST FIFTH STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

D 3 7 0 7 WEST SLAUGHTER LANE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT D FOR EIGHT 14 EAST 45TH STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT AND D FIVE 17 OH NEWTON STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT UNDER ITEM E DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON DEMOLITION.

BY NEGLECT CASES.

WE HAVE NO ITEMS. WE HAVE NO ITEMS UNDER F DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE APPLICANT ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR TAX ABATEMENT UNDER FOR COMMISSION AND STAFF ITEMS. UH, WE HAVE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON COMMITTEE REPORTS, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OPERATIONS COMMITTEE GRANTS COMMITTEE, AND THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE ITEM B AS THE DISCUSSION OF OUR COMMISSIONER SUMMER TRAINING AND SEE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, AND ADJOURNMENT.

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

ARE THERE ANY, UM, ARE THERE ANY CASES THAT WERE OFFERED FOR THE CONSENT APPROVAL THAT WOULD LIKE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION? OKAY.

MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

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DO I HEAR A SECOND? NO SECOND.

OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

OKAY.

WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL CASES FOR CONSENT POSTPONEMENT.

DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THAT ON THEM? WAS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER LAROCHE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, AGAIN, UH, COMMISSIONER LAROCHE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COOK, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND.

THANK YOU.

IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

OKAY.

WE'LL GO BACK TO THE FRONT OF OUR ITEM.

THOSE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE HAD THEIR ITEMS PASSED ON CONSENT, YOU MAY LEAVE THE ROOM UNLESS YOU'D LIKE TO STAY AND LISTEN TO OUR MANY DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE PULLED FROM THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION OR WERE ALREADY ON FOR DISCUSSION, WE WILL GO FORWARD WITH THOSE AT THIS TIME, GOING BACK TO THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THIS IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC ZONING DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON APPLICATIONS FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING AND REQUEST TO CONSIDER ZONING.

OKAY.

[3.A.1. PR-2021-195456 – 1617 New York Ave. – Discussion (postponed May 4, 2022) Council District 1]

ITEM A 1 16 17 NEW YORK AVENUE.

THIS IS A COMMISSION INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING CASE.

RIGHT? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, UH, ITEM A ONE IS AN APPLICATION TO ADD A CHIMNEY TO A TURN OF THE 20TH CENTURY BUILDING.

UM, AND THE COMMISSION INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING AS TARA MEYER SAID BACK IN JANUARY AS WELL.

UM, ON THIS CASE, STAFF CAN RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING, UH, BASED ON THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN SURVEY FINDINGS.

UM, BUT SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE NOT TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING AGAINST THE OWNERS WISHES STAFF RECOMMENDS ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO IMP IMPLEMENT COMMITTEE FEEDBACK ON THE CHIMNEY DESIGN AND THEN RELEASING THE PERMIT.

THE 2016 SURVEY RECOMMENDS THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, FOR ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS AND ELIGIBLE FOR INDIVIDUAL LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

THE BUILDING IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF FOLK VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURE.

IT'S A ONE-STORY HOUSE WITH A PARTIAL WITH PORCH SUPPORTED BY CLASSICAL COLUMNS, ONE OVER ONE SCREENED WINDOWS, CROSS GABLED ROOF CAPPED WITH REPLACEMENT STANDING SEAM METAL DECORATIVE SHINGLES AT THE GABLE END OR ZANTEL WOOD SIDING AND AN ENTRANCE WITH A TRANSOM INSIDE LIGHT.

THE 2016 SURVEY DETERMINED THAT THE BUILDING IS ASSOCIATED WITH HISTORIC AFRICAN-AMERICAN SETTLEMENT PATTERNS IN AUSTIN.

THE CURRENT PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE YOU AND THAT'S IN THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION IS TO ADD A BRICK CHIMNEY TO THE WEST ELEVATION, UM, FOLLOWING SOME DISCUSSION FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE EARLIER THIS YEAR.

ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR THIS CASE? OUR DISCUSSION AT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, CENTERED ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE CHIMNEY AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS THIS, UM, INITIATION, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK STATUS IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE OWNER'S WISHES.

UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE? I'M HEARING THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

OH, I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

IS THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME DOWN.

WE KEPT THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN FOR THAT VERY REASON.

I'M SORRY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS HOLLY ARTHUR.

AND THANKS AGAIN FOR SEEING US TO DISCUSS THIS.

UM, AND THANK YOU CULLEN FOR YOUR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, WE CAME TO YOU, UH, IN JANUARY DISCUSSING THE OVERALL PROJECT, UM, HOUSE RENOVATION AND ADDITION, AND TOGETHER, WE DECIDED THAT THE CHIMNEY NEEDED FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SO WE TABLED IT AND WENT BEFORE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REVIEW COMMITTEE IN FEBRUARY, DURING THAT MEETING, THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE CLIENT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO PURSUE LANDMARK STATUS.

THE CLIENT, AS YOU MENTIONED, TERRY HAS STATED THEY DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE PLANS TO DO SO.

WE THEN SPOKE ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE CHIMNEY AND ITS LOCATION.

UH, THE, THE DESIGN DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY LED TO US, UM,

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TO KEEP AN AESTHETIC OF, UH, OF THE CHIMNEY THAT LENDED OR TENDED MORE TOWARDS THE FOLK VICTORIAN, AS OPPOSED TO A MODERN ADDITION, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE CHIMNEY.

YOU CAN SCROLL THROUGH THE SLIDES, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, HAS BEEN, UH, LOCATED SUCH THAT IT IS NOT ON THE PRIMARY FACADE.

AND, UM, JUST TO REMIND YOU, THIS IS A CORNER LOT.

UM, WE ALSO DID NOT PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO WE HAVE STEPPED IT BACK 15 FEET FROM THE PRIMARY FACADE.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMITTEE, UH, ASKING IF THE CLIENT WOULD BE WILLING TO SAVE THE WINDOW THAT WE ARE REMOVING FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

AND THE CLIENTS HAVE AGREED THAT THEY WOULD KEEP THE WINDOW.

UM, IF, YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE PURPOSES OF RETURNING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION.

UM, SO AS, AS YOU'VE STATED BEFORE, UM, THIS, UH, THIS, THIS HOUSE IS UP FOR, UM, A POSSIBLE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN A POTENTIAL FUTURE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND WE DO FEEL THAT THE LOCATION AND DESIGN IS RESPECTING THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY HAD WITH THE COMMITTEE AND YOU COMMISSIONERS AND THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, COMMISSIONERS VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER HIMSELF? YES.

THE, THE OWNER OBVIOUSLY, UM, IS DOING A LOT TO BE VERY RESPECTFUL, UH, WITH THIS HOUSE HEADS.

HAS THERE BEEN FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES WHERE THEY TO, UH, ACCEPT THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION IF WE RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING TO ACCEPT THAT AND, UH, GO AHEAD AND ADD THIS PROGRAM, UH, ADD THEIR STRUCTURE TO THIS PROGRAM.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION DURING THE REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND AGAIN, UH, AT THIS TIME THEY'RE JUST NOT INTERESTED IN REVIEW OR, UM, GETTING AN, A LANDMARK STATUS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER LAROCHE.

I NOTICED ON THE LAST SHEET THERE, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE BRICK BEING USED TO CLAD THE NEW CHIMNEY, THE EXISTING MATERIALS THAT'S THERE'S ENOUGH BRICK THERE TO DO THAT? NO, SIR.

WE WOULD DO OUR BEST TO FIND A BRICK TO, UH, COME CLOSE TO MATCHING.

AND IN FACT, I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME BRICK YARDS AROUND TOWN AND WE THINK WE'VE COME CLOSE TO ONE THAT IS SIMILAR, NOT THE SAME, BUT VERY SIMILAR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS.

IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS HERE TONIGHT? OKAY.

IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE CASE? THANK YOU.

YES, AMBER.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND? OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COOK.

CAUSE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

SAY AYE.

I CAN.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CASE, BUT QUICK QUESTION OF STAFF, MADAM CHAIR MEYER, QUESTION STAMP.

YEAH.

THIS, THIS CAME TO US ORIGINALLY BECAUSE OF A APPLICATION FOR A PARTIAL DEMOLITION.

IS THAT HOW THIS GOT TRIGGERED? YEAH, SHE'S COMING.

UH, YES.

COMMISSIONER HAIM SAID THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, THE APPLICANT CAME TO US WITH AN ADDITION AND, UM, THIS, UH, REAR ADDITION, AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE CHIMNEY EDITION THAT'S HERE BEFORE US TODAY.

RIGHT.

BUT WE'RE NOT IN ANY DISTRICT OF ANY KIND.

SO WE REALLY, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.

UH, THERE WAS REVIEW ABOUT THE CHIMNEY AND, UH, WE THEN PICKED THIS UP AND SAID, IT WAS AT LEAST EXPLORING, EXPLORING IS A AS A POTENTIAL LANDMARKS DESIGNATION.

AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE 2016 SURVEY.

UM, IT'S IN A POTENTIAL DISTRICT.

THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER HOUSES SIMILAR TO IT AND THE AREA, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST, UM, MOST INTACT.

UM, I MANAGED SHARE A CHAIR MYERS, I'M READY FOR EMOTION, IF

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YOU WILL.

UH, I WILL, UH, MY MOTION WILL BE TO APPROVE THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION REQUEST OF HIS, UH, APPLICANTS AND TO, UM, WITHDRAW THE, UH, HISTORIC DESIGNATION, UH, THE HISTORIC PROCEEDINGS FOR, FOR REZONING AS A HISTORICAL LANDMARK.

OKAY.

WHAT ABOUT THE CHIMNEY? NO.

AND THAT WOULD, UH, WELL, UH, APPROVING THE DEMOLITION REQUEST WOULD THEN APPROVE THE CHIMNEY.

OKAY.

UH, IN IT'S IN THE LOCATION THAT IT DOES.

OKAY.

YEAH.

I WOULD SAY IT INCUMBENT UPON, THIS IS THE OWNER'S WILLINGNESS TO, UH, FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE REVISED CHIMNEY, UH, AND THE WAY IT'S BEEN, UH, PRESENTED THE, IT IS ON OUR AGENDA.

IS THERE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION? I WOULD SUPPORT AND SECOND THAT MOTION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION REQUEST.

I'M ASSUMING THIS, THIS INCLUDES THE, UH, THE ADDITION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY AND THE CHIMNEY.

UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, LET ME JUST QUICKLY SPEAK TO MY MOTION.

I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY AWARE THAT WE HAVE LIMITED TOOLS AND, UM, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF THIS OWNER WERE, UH, ACCEPTING THIS, UH, DESIGNATION, BUT SINCE THEY'RE NOT, I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD QUIBBLE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, THAT CHIMNEY, IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT.

UH, IF WE ACCEPT THE CHIMNEY, UH, THIS, THIS STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE INTEGRATED INTO WHAT IS PRETTY MUCH INAPPROPRIATE TYPE OF ADDITION AND WILL BE PRESERVED.

SO IT MAY NOT BE IN OUR PROGRAM, BUT AT LEAST OUR OBJECTIVES WILL HAVE BEEN MET.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A, A WORTHY, UH, UH, OUTCOME.

I, I FEEL, UM, I AGREE.

I FILLED THAT THE, I FEEL THAT THE OWNERS ARE RETAINING, UM, THE PRIMARY FACADE AND, UH, UH, THE SIDE TO, UH, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WITH THIS ADDITION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN RECEIVED FAVORABLY.

AND THE, THE MAIN, UM, POINT OF CONTENTION WAS THE CHIMNEY COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA SAW YOUR HAND UP.

I, UM, WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF WE COULD ADD A CITY OF BOSTON DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE TO THE MOTION AS WELL TO DOCUMENT, ESPECIALLY THAT GABLE END WE'RE WE'RE LOSING A WINDOW.

OKAY.

ABSOLUTELY.

LET ME HAVE THAT ATTITUDE MOTION PLEASE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, WOULD YOU, UM, SECOND THAT, UM, AMENDMENT, GREAT SUGGESTION.

OKAY.

THE, UH, THE CITY OF DOCUMENTATION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE INCLUDES, UM, EIGHT BY 10, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALL FACADES, UM, IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DO ALL FACADES, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S MINIMAL, MINIMAL CHANGE TO THE PRIMARY, UH, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, BUT WE HAVE AN ADDITION, A SMALL PORCH ON ONE SIDE NOW, THE CHIMNEY ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOSE A PART OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

SO WE NEED PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALL FACADES AND, UM, WHAT ELSE IS INCLUDED? THEY SHOULD BE PRINTED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC PAPER.

AND I THINK THAT THE NARRATIVE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE HOUSE AT THIS POINT, SINCE IT'S NOT BEING DEMOLISHED IS PROBABLY SUFFICIENT FOR ARCHIVING AT THE CITY OF AUSTIN AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER.

DOES STAFF HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? OKAY.

OKAY.

THE, SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE, NOT INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING, BUT APPROVE, UM, THE PLANS AS PRESENTED TONIGHT AND GET THAT DOCUMENTATION OF THE FACADES.

OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

IT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU.

YOUR APPLICATION IS APPROVED

[3.A.2. PR-2022-014784 – 1403 E. Cesar Chavez St. – Discussion (postponed May 4, 2022) Council District 3]

ITEM EIGHT TO 1403 EAST CESAR CHAVEZ.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

UM, I'LL HAVE TO ASK THE COMMISSION THAT THEY BEAR WITH ME FOR SOME OF THESE CASES, UH, AS THEY ARE RELATIVELY NEW TO MEET.

UNFORTUNATELY, OUR OTHER CASE MANAGER, UH, KIM COLLINS COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.

UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF HERS.

UM, ADAM H TWO IS THE TOFI AND BIRTH OF BELLAGIO HOUSE AT 1403 EAST CESAR CHAVEZ.

UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER RECOMMENDING THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FROM M U C O N P TO SEE US ONE,

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M U C O H N P A, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING BACK IN FEBRUARY AND THE 2016 AUSTIN EAST AUSTIN SURVEY REPORT RECOMMENDS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE AS A LOCAL LANDMARK, AND IT CONTRIBUTES TO A POTENTIAL LOCAL DISTRICT.

THIS HOUSE EMBODIES THE DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS AND IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF CRAFTSMAN STYLE ARCHITECTURE.

IT IS A SINGLE-STORY RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WITH A CROSS GABLED ROOF LINE, AND IT WAS BUILT IN 1925 THROUGH A PAST ONE TRIANGULAR KNEE, KNEE BRACE, AND THE APEX OF EACH CABLE OR SUPPORTS ARE COMPOSED OF BRICK, MASONRY PIERS WITH SLOPING SIDES.

A TOP APPEARS RUSS THE DECORATIVE WOODEN SUPPORT COLUMNS THAT APPEAR TO TAKE CUES FROM ORIENTALIST DESIGN PRINCIPLES.

THE WOODEN PORCH RAILING IS CONSTRUCTED WITH A WESTERN STICK INFLUENCES AND THE STRUCTURE HAS HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING.

ITS FACADE, UH, COMPRISES A SINGLE ENTRY DOOR AND TWO MATCHING WINDOW ASSEMBLIES, EACH COMPOSED OF TWO SINGLE HUNG, VERTICAL WOOD WINDOWS.

THE HOUSE RETAINS A HIGH DEGREE OF INTEGRITY WITH FEW ALTERATIONS.

THE PROPERTY HAS LONG STANDING SIGNIFICANT ASSOCIATIONS WITH THE FAMILY BEHIND BELLAGIO PRODUCE, WHICH CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO COMMERCE IN AUSTIN FROM 1925 TO 1959.

THIS HOME WAS OWNED AND OCCUPIED BY MEMBERS OF THE BELLAGIO FAMILY, CHARLES AND TOFI BELLAGIO OWNED THE PRODUCE COMPANY CO-OWNER TOFI AND HIS WIFE BERTHA PURCHASED THIS HOUSE IN 1927 WITH THEIR FAMILY HOME, OR THEY CONTINUED TO LIVE AT THIS HOUSE IN INTO 1959.

THE PRODUCE COMPANY WAS ALREADY ONE OF THE OLDEST IN THE AUSTIN AREA BY 1939, UH, THIS A BUSINESS WHERE MANY WOULD GO TO ORDER THEIR HOLIDAY TURKEYS AND MEATS.

AND I HELD THE STATE CONTRACT FOR PROVIDING ME TO INSTITUTIONS FOR MANY YEARS.

THEY CONTINUE TO SERVE THE CITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS ONE OF THE LARGEST SUPPLIERS OF MEAT AND PRODUCE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

GREAT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, PLEASE COME DOWN.

STATE YOUR NAME.

YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WITH YOU, UM, THEY SHOULD PREPARE THEMSELVES TO, UH, COME DOWN AND QUICKLY, UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL ANTA, NORA.

I'M A ARCHITECT WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER.

BRADLEY HARRISON.

UH, BRADLEY WAS ACTUALLY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

UNFORTUNATELY, HE'S ON A TARMAC, STUCK ON AN AIRPLANE RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M USING HIS TIME TO READ A LETTER THAT HE HAD PREPARED AND WAS GOING TO, UH, PRESENT TO YOU.

UM, IN ADDITION TO, AND, AND, AND, UH, IN LIEU OF A BRADLEY.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER PRESENTATION NOW I'M NOT GIVING A PRESENTATION.

OKAY.

SO VICTORIA, UH, FROM THROWER DESIGN IS ALSO HERE TO SPEAK.

UH, AFTERWARDS I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS IS THE, UH, ENGINEER JERRY GARCIA AS WELL.

SO THIS LETTER IS FROM MR. HARRISON, DEAR HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS BRADLEY C HARRISON.

I'M A GRADUATE OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY AT WEST POINT AND MIT SLOAN SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT.

I SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY AS AN AIRBORNE RANGER, AND I'M A 100% SERVICE DISABLED VETERAN.

I'M APPEALING TO THE COMMISSION TODAY TO RECOMMEND AGAINST HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY AT 1403, CESAR CHAVEZ.

I OWN SCOUT VENTURES, A SERVICE DISABLED VETERAN OWNED BUSINESS THAT INVESTS IN MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER, SAFER PLACE BY CULTIVATING FRONTIER TECHNOLOGIES BUILT BY VETERANS OR THE MILITARY INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AND NATIONAL LABS.

MY BUSINESS MADE THE DECISION TO RELOCATE TO AUSTIN, TEXAS, AND THE PROPERTY AT 1403 EAST CESAR CHAVEZ WAS PURCHASED AS A FUTURE LOCATION FOR OUR NEW OFFICES.

THE PURCHASE WAS MADE KNOWING THAT THE PROPERTY WAS NOT AT THAT TIME, A HISTORICAL LANDMARK AND WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE THAT IT COULD HAVE ANY POTENTIAL FOR BEING DESIGNATED AS SUCH EVEN.

SO OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO TRY TO PRESERVE THE FIRST FLOOR AND BUILD A NEW SECOND FLOOR.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS PLAN WAS NOT FEASIBLE.

FIRST.

THE PROPERTY DID NOT APPRAISE THAT THE PURCHASE PRICE, THIS REQUIRED ME TO INVEST SIGNIFICANTLY MORE MONEY TO COMPETE, TO COMPLETE THE PURCHASE, WHICH REDUCED OUR ABILITY TO REUSE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.

SECOND THREE INSURANCE CARRIERS, INCLUDING USA, A AN INSTITUTION THAT SPECIFICALLY SERVES THE FINANCIAL INSURANCE NEEDS OF MILITARY MEMBERS, VETERANS, AND THEIR FAMILIES REFUSE TO INSURE THE PROPERTY BASED UPON THE CONDITION.

ONLY ONE INSURANCE COMPANY PROVIDED A POLICY WHICH WAS CANCELED UPON INSPECTION OF THE STRUCTURE.

I WAS THERE FOR A REQUIRED TO GET A SPECIAL POLICY THAT WOULD ONLY ENSURE UNTIL THE DEMOLITION HAS TAKEN PLACE.

THIRD AFTER A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN ARCHITECTURAL AND STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENTS LEARNED THAT THE HOUSE HAD IRREPARABLE FOUNDATION DAMAGE, SIGNIFICANT TERMITE DAMAGE, ROOF, DAMAGE, UNSAFE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, AND SIGNIFICANT WATER DAMAGE TO THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE.

DUE TO DECADES OF NEGLECT.

THE SEVERITY OF THE DAMAGE HAS MADE REUSE OF THE STRUCTURE COST PROHIBITIVE AND UNREALISTIC.

PREVIOUS CONSULTATIONS WITH THE, HIS HISTORIC

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PRESERVATION OFFICE INDICATED THE PROPERTY WOULD RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION.

HOWEVER, SEVERAL WEEKS LATER, WE WERE INFORMED THAT STAFF MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR DESIGNATION AND THAT THE COMMISSION VOTED TO INITIATE THE INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATION BASED UPON ONE, THE CRAFTSMAN DESIGN OF THE HOUSE, AND TWO THAT THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN THE HOME OF THE BELLAGIO FAMILY WHO OWNED BELLAGIO PRODUCE.

WE ENGAGED IN HISTORIC EXTENSIVE HISTORIC RESEARCH OF THE PROPERTY, THE BELLAGIO PRODUCE COMPANY AND THE BELLAGIO FAMILY TO FIND THE FOLLOWING ONE, THE SANBORN MAPS SHOW, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS MUCH SMALLER.

THEREFORE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS NOT ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL EXPLORATION AND STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENTS RULE.

THE HOUSE HAS MANY MODIFICATIONS, EVEN WITH ALMOST NO PICTORIAL EVIDENCE.

THAT'S THE STRUCTURE IS THE ORIGINAL CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE.

RATHER THE HOUSE HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO APPEAR LIKE A CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE OVER THE DECADES.

AND WITH MOST RECENT RENOVATION IN 1983 TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAD NO CONCERN OR PAUSE FOR CONSIDERATION OR SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BELLAGIO PRODUCE COMPANY.

WHEN THEY DEMOLISHED THE MOST HISTORICALLY RELEVANT PROPERTY.

I E THE STORE BUILDING ITSELF WHERE THE PRODUCE COMPANY EXISTED FOR SEVERAL DECADES IN ORDER TO BUILD THE AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL, FURTHER OTHER HOMES OF THE BELLAGIO FAMILY MEMBERS WERE GRANTED DEMOLITION PERMITS IN THE RECENT PAST ALL THINGS IN COMMON.

IT IS AN EQUITABLE TO APPLY A DIFFERENT STANDARD TO THIS PROPERTY AT 1403 EASTERS EAST CESAR CHAVEZ.

THIRD JACK MALACIA WAS AN AVIATOR IN THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE.

HE AND I SHARE AN UNSPOKEN CAMARADERIE OF BROTHERHOOD THROUGH SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY.

IT JACK WERE ALIVE TODAY.

I'M CONFIDENT THAT HE WOULD AGREE THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE TO SUPPORT A DISABLED VETERAN OWNED BUSINESS, THEN EMPLOYEES, VETERANS IS OF GREATER SIGNIFICANCE THAN THE INDIRECTS ASSOCIATION WITH MANY OF THE EARLY GROCERY PRODUCE STORES IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

I BELIEVE HE WOULD SUPPORT OUR DECISION, DEMOLISH THE HOUSE AND BUILD A NEW FACILITY TO SERVE THE MISSION OF MY BUSINESS.

I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE COMMISSION, NOT TAKE ACTION ON RECOMMENDING HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY ARISE RESPECTFULLY BRADLEY C HARRISON.

THANK YOU.

IS THAT YOUR PRESENTATION? OH, YEAH, VICTORIA.

OKAY.

UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, VICTORIA.

GOOD EVENING.

COMMISSIONERS VICTORIA.

HASI WITH THROWER DESIGN, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE LANDOWNER.

SO WE, WE GAVE OUR PRESENTATION AT THE LAST HEARING AND IT IS AVAILABLE TO Y'ALL.

WE HAVE MADE THAT AVAILABLE TO Y'ALL AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN TODAY.

UM, I'M JUST GOING TO TOUCH ON THE LAST FEW POINTS OF THE PRESENTATION, JUST TO SAY THAT THE BELLAGIO PRODUCE COMPANY WAS ONE OF MANY IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT PROVIDED EARLY AUSTIN RESIDENTS WITH PRODUCE GOODS.

UM, THEY WERE ALSO ONE OF MANY TO SERVE THE STATE OF TEXAS, UM, IN THEIR, THEIR PRODUCE GOODS AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE.

THEY'RE NOT THE FIRST AND THEY'RE NOT THE LAST, UM, THIS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE DOES NOT EMBODY THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PRODUCE COMPANY LIKE THE STORE WOULD HAVE.

AND AS YOU HEARD IN THE LETTER, THE STORE WAS DEMOLISHED BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WITHOUT ANY CAUSE FOR CONCERN THAT THERE WAS ANY SIGNIFICANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSINESS THAT, THAT OCCUPIED THAT SPACE FOR SEVERAL DECADES.

UM, THIRD, IT IS AN EXTREMELY POOR CONDITION.

UH, I KNOW Y'ALL HEAR THAT A LOT, BUT THIS, THIS HOUSE IS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.

UM, AND TO UNDERTAKE A PROJECT AND TRY TO RESTORE THE STRUCTURE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE BUILDING A NEW, A NEW HOUSE TO LOOK LIKE IT ONCE DID.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WOULD WANT.

UM, AND THEN FOURTH RESTORATION WOULD ABOUT TO BECOME WELL, LIKE I SAID, WHAT AMOUNT TO COMPLETE REBUILD, IT WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE AND VERY CHALLENGING TO DO WITHOUT FINANCING TO DO SO, AS YOU HEARD, MR. HARRISON HAS HAD A HARD TIME GETTING THE FINANCING AND INSURANCE POLICIES TO BE ABLE TO RESTORE THIS STRUCTURE.

SO WITH THAT, WE DO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT Y'ALL RECONSIDER DESIGNATING THE STRUCTURE AS A INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC LANDMARK.

AND AS, UM, MICHAEL SAID, HE, THE ARC HE'S THE ARCHITECT HE'S HERE AS WELL AS THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE DURING THE DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION OF THIS CASE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. SASSY? THANK YOU, MR. GARCIA.

HELLO.

UH, I'M NOT REALLY SCHEDULED TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS JERRY GARCIA.

I AM HERE THOUGH, AS THEY MENTIONED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY RELATE TO THE STRUCTURAL OR LACK OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS

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THEM.

UM, UH, AND IF YOU CARE FOR ME JUST TO EXPAND ON THE, UM, NATURE OF THE HOME, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO.

OKAY.

I THINK WE'VE HEARD AN OVERVIEW.

UH, DOES DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR MR. GARCIA? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

IF IN OUR DELIBERATIONS, IF YOU'RE STILL IN THE, IN THE AUDITORIUM HERE, WE MAY CALL ON YOU.

I'LL BE AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION? IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION? I BELIEVE THE, ALL OF THE SPEAKERS WERE IN OPPOSITION OF HISTORIC ZONING.

UM, THEY'RE IN OPPOSITION OF HISTORIC ZONING.

OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE IN FAVOR OF HISTORIC ZONING? OKAY.

UH, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE COMMISSIONERS? SHOULD WE LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN OR CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? DO I HEAR A MOTION? I THINK AT THIS POINT WE SHOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF NEEDED WE'LL WE CAN OPEN IT.

WE CAN VOTE TO OPEN IT AGAIN.

OKAY.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? OKAY.

UM, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COOK SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CASE TO START THE DISCUSSION SAKE? GOOD DISCUSSION.

I WILL MOVE TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY.

OKAY.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

THE MOTION.

UM, AS FAR AS I WANT TO JUST SAY ONE THING, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PRESENTATION, UH, THAT WE HAD IN OUR BACKUP, I HAD TO LOOK AT IT SIDEWAYS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FLIP HIM OVER, UH, HOW TO TATE, THE SCREEN.

AND, UM, BUT IN ANY EVENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.

IT PROBABLY ISN'T THE ORIGINAL HOUSE ON THIS SITE.

THE IN 19, IN 1900, THERE WAS A SMALLER HOUSE WITH THE FULL FRONT FACADE PORCH ON IT.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN USED TO BUILD THE CURRENT HOUSE IN SOME PART, BUT THE CURRENT HOUSE IS, UH, FULLY DESIGNED WITH THAT, UH, SLIGHT WRAPAROUND PORCH.

UM, THAT IS THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A 1900 HOUSE HERE, WE'RE TALKING.

UM, I HEARD STAFF SAY 1925.

I WAS SURPRISED AT THAT.

I, I WOULD DATE THIS HOUSE TO ABOUT 19 16, 19 18, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S AN EXCEPTIONAL EXAMPLE OF A CRAFTSMAN STYLE BUNGALOW IN AUSTIN.

AND WHILE I I'M SYMPATHETIC, SHE, THE, UM, UM, TO THE CAUSE THAT THE APPLICANT SERVES, UM, THIS IS THE, I COULD UNDERSTAND, UM, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE PERHAPS USED FOR THAT, UH, FOR HIS PURPOSES.

BUT THIS IS A RESIDENCE IN, IN AUSTIN.

IT WAS OUTSTANDING ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR, UM, BOTH CRITERIA TO BE AT THE EXTRAORDINARY LEVEL.

SO IT DOESN'T, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE LARGEST PRODUCE COMPANY OR THE MOST IMPORTANT, OR THE EARLIEST OR THE LAST, BUT ITS ASSOCIATION WITH THE BELLAGIO FAMILY OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, UM, DECADES, UH, ON THIS SITE, UM, IS SUFFICIENT TO ADD THE CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC ASSOCIATION.

MADAM CHAIR MAY PRESENT A FEW COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION TO THE MOTION I GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE DETERIORATION AND THE, AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT.

I DON'T THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WOULD BE A RESTORATION IN, IN THE SPIRIT OF PRESERVATION.

I BELIEVE BY THE TIME ALL THESE DEFICIENCIES ARE CORRECTED, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE A NEW BUILDING.

I DO HOWEVER, WANT TO STATE TO THE APPLICANT THAT I CERTAINLY, AS I SIT ON THE DIOCESE, I'M NOT BOUND BY THE CITY'S PAST POSITIONS.

I DON'T PERCEIVE THAT AS PROGRESS.

SO I WANT, I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

AND SECONDLY, I ALSO

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TAKE EXCEPTION TO A SIDING CURRENT CODE STANDARDS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

SO ALL THAT SAID, IT'S JUST MY OPINION THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S TOO MUCH DAMAGE FOR A SIGNIFICANT RESTORATION, IN MY OPINION.

OKAY.

FURTHER COMMENTS.

I WANNA SAY I WASN'T SO MOVED BY THE STRUCTURAL REPORT THAT THE DAMAGE IS MUCH WORSE THAN YOU'LL FIND IN MANY HISTORIC STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT AUSTIN.

UM, THERE IS SOME DAMAGE, THERE IS SOME WORK TO BE DONE.

I AGREE APPLYING MODERN CODE TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS OPENS UP ANY HISTORIC BUILDING TO, UH, BEING SUBJECT TO BEING DEMOLISHED.

UM, I WASN'T MOVED BY THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, ALL THE CHANGES, THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES WERE ALL MADE IN THE PERIOD OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.

UH, SO THAT SEEMED TO BE THE LARGEST PORTION, UM, OF THE ARGUMENT.

UM, USUALLY I'M MOVED BY PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING CONDITION RATHER THAN, UH, A, UH, DESCRIPTION OF THE EXISTING CONDITION, WHICH AGAIN, WOULD DESCRIBE MOST HISTORIC, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN AUSTIN.

UH, BUT PRIMARILY I WANT TO SUPPORT THE 2016 AUSTIN HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY, WHICH IS A TOOL THAT REALTORS AND BUYERS CAN USE TO IDENTIFY PROPERTIES, WHICH HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED, UM, IN AN OFFICIAL SURVEY, HAS A RANKING, UH, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK STATUS.

AND I THINK IF WE DID NOT, UH, SUPPORT THAT SURVEY, THAT WE WOULDN'T BE DOING OUR JOB HERE SHORT OF SOME PRETTY, UH, SOME STRONGER EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY OF ITS ABILITY TO BE SAFE.

I AGREE.

UM, I THINK THE, UH, THE FIRM THAT DID THE SURVEY, THE EAST AUSTIN SURVEY, DID A VERY THOROUGH AND, AND CONSCIENTIOUS JOB, AND THEY IDENTIFIED THIS AS A HIGH PRIORITY, UM, FOR PRESERVATION.

UM, I AGREE WHEN I, WHEN I BOUGHT MY HISTORIC BUNGALOW 32 YEARS AGO, THEY TOLD ME I WOULD HAVE TO, UM, PUT IN A NEW FOUNDATION AND I'M STILL LIVING WITH IT, UM, 32 YEARS LATER.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

THE PEOPLE THAT THE GROUND SHIFTS ONE WAY AND THEN IT SHIFTS BACK AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THAT IT NEEDS NEW PEERS OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT TO, UH, TO CONDEMN A HISTORIC RESOURCE, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT IS SO, UM, DETAILED AS THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

SO I'M CURIOUS IF ANY OF THE SPEAKERS HAVE DETAIL ON WHAT MADE IT UNINSURABLE? I THINK THAT WAS A, THAT'S AN ARGUMENT THAT WE DON'T OFTEN HEAR, BUT AS A, AS A VETERAN WHO USES USAA, THEY DENIED THAT THE INSURANCE ON MY OWN HOUSE, BECAUSE IT HAD 70 AMP SERVICE AND THEY WERE, I MEAN, THEY'RE A GOOD INSURANCE COMPANY.

THEY HAVE THE MOST, THE HIGHEST OF STANDARDS.

SO I JUST WENT TO A DIFFERENT INSURANCE COMPANY, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT HAS HER HAND UP AND SHE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING PERTINENT TO SAY ABOUT IT.

I DO.

UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN IN THE PRESERVATION FIELD IN GENERAL, A NUMBER OF INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT HAVE CEASED TO ENSURE DESIGNATED HISTORIC PROPERTIES.

AND I SPECIFICALLY SAY DESIGNATED BECAUSE THAT'S OFTEN WHERE THIS CONVERSATION COMES OUT WITH, ONCE IT HOUSES DESIGNATED, UM, INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL OFTEN SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO INSURE IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE, UM, THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE A FULL REPLACEMENT VALUE, UM, OR PRESUMABLY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PROVIDE A FULL X-MEN VALUE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN A LOT.

UM, TO THAT END, I WAS GOING TO REFERENCE FOR THIS CURRENT OWNER OR FOR ANY OTHER PROPERTY OWNER, IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH INSURANCE, THE COMMON RECOMMENDATION THESE DAYS IS TO SPEAK WITH THE NATIONAL TRUST INSURANCE COMPANY, WHICH IS A SPECIALTY INSURANCE COMPANY OFFERED BY THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE AND, AND ADVICE THERE ALSO, UM, IF A PROPERTY IS, UH, UNDERGOING CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATIONS, YOU CAN ALSO GET AN INSURANCE, UM, AS LIKE A CON LIKE INSURANCE FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES.

UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD COVER THE BUILDING WHILE RENOVATIONS ARE, ARE ONGOING.

UM, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER COOK.

THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO OTHER ITEMS THAT, THAT FURTHER INFORM MY DECISION IS THE, THE PROMINENT LOCATION ON CESAR CHAVEZ HAS ABILITY TO TELL THE STORY OF, OF THIS, UH, UNDERSERVED NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ALONG A MAJOR STREET AND ITS ADJACENCY TO SEVERAL OTHER HIGH INTEGRITY HISTORIC PROPERTIES,

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UH, WHICH WOULD MAKE FOR A VERY HIGH INTEGRITY, HIGH QUALITY WELL-PLACED HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO THAT ALSO INFORMS MY DECISION.

I THINK IT'S LOST WOULD BE, UM, WOULD REALLY BE A SHAME.

UM, COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON.

IT SEEMS THAT ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE HOUSE FALL WITHIN THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, THEY'RE ALL.

UM, EXCEPT FOR, THERE'S A MENTION OF A ROOF IN 1983 IN THE MATERIAL.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE LAST MONTH, IF THIS IS A RETREAD, BUT WHAT WAS THE, WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WITH THE ROOF IN 1983? IT WAS CALLAN.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WITH THE ROOF IN 1983, IT'S ON IT, MIGHT'VE NEEDED TO BE RE ROOFED.

UH, OKAY.

I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE SORT OF THE AIR, THE AREA THAT'S THAT'S BEING OF CONCERN, I GUESS, IS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, IS VIEWING THE CHANGES THAT HAVE, THAT THEY SEE HAVE OCCURRED TO A 1900 HOUSE.

THIS IS NOT THAT HOUSE, THIS, THE, THE WRAPAROUND PORCH, THE EXTENDED, THE RAFTER ENDS, THE CAR, UM, RAFTER ENDS THE PORCH, THE BRICK PIERS, ALL OF THAT IS ORIGINAL TO THIS HOUSE.

YES.

UH, IF YOU WOULD PERMIT IT, MAYBE MR. GARCIA CAN HELP PINE ON THE EXTENT OF TERMITE DAMAGE AND DRY ROT.

MR. GARCIA OPINE.

OH, PINE AWAY.

UH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING IS STILL THERE.

IT'S JUST BEEN RENOVATED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND AMENDED ADDED ONTO ET CETERA.

UH, AS FAR AS THE BUILDING, AS A WHOLE, THERE ARE A GREAT AMOUNT OF SHORTCOMINGS FOUNDATION.

PRIMARILY IT'S SITTING FAR TOO CLOSE TO THE GROUND.

THERE IS VIRTUALLY NO CRAWL SPACE.

IT'S APPEARANCE BEAM HOME IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE ORIGINAL CEDAR POSTS.

THAT THERE'S NO WAY OF TELLING THE CONDITION OF THOSE POSTS AND HOW DEEP THEY ARE, HOW DEEP THEY AREN'T, IF THEY'RE PENCIL POINTS OR THEY'RE EVEN DOING ANYTHING.

UM, THE PORCH HAS CONCRETE PORCH, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A SUBSEQUENT ADDITION TO THE BUILDING, UH, APPROPRIATELY THE BUILDING SHOULD BE LIFTED TO AN APPROPRIATE ELEVATION TO ALLOW FOR, FOR VENTILATION UNDER THE HOUSE.

UH, IF THAT'S DONE, YOU HAVE TO LIFT THE CONCRETE PORCH, WHICH YOU CAN'T DO CAUSE IT'S CONCRETE.

YOU'D NEED TO DEMOLISH IT AND REBUILD IT.

UM, AS COMMISSIONER ROCHE SAID, AT SOME POINT THERE'S A DIMINISHING RETURN ON WHAT YOU'RE REALLY KEEPING, UH, AND YOU'LL END UP REBUILDING THE ENTIRE HOUSE.

RAFTERS ARE OVERSPEND UNDERSIZED.

YES, THEY ARE OLDER MATERIALS AND A LOT OF MATERIALS CAN BE REUSED WITHIN ANY PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION.

BUT, UM, THERE'LL BE, UH, A GREAT DEAL OF AMENDMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH HAVING TO GET THIS TO A LEVEL OF APPROPRIATE PERFORMANCE.

UM, AND THE BIGGEST ONE, AGAIN, IS THE FOUNDATION.

THE BUILDING SHOULD BE LIFTED APPROPRIATELY.

IT'S FAR TOO CLOSE TO THE GROUND.

THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCESS IT.

THERE'S NO WAY TO EVEN GET A DEAD ROAD AND OUT OF THERE FOR THAT MATTER.

UM, AND NO TELLING HOW BAD OFF THE JOISTS ARE.

CAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T SEE THEM.

MR. GARCIA, MY, MY QUESTION WAS MORE POINTED TOWARDS THE DETERIORATION AND TERMITE DAMAGE PRESENT.

AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU COULD CHARACTERIZE THAT IN TERMS OF PERCENT OF LOSS, IS IT 2%, 3%, 30% THAT DREW MY ATTENTION IN THE TWO REPORTS? SO IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT TO ME, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO DETERMINE EXACTLY TO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF DAMAGE THERE IS.

IT IS EXTENSIVE, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE SHIPLAP ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING IS STILL IN PLACE.

SO WITHOUT REMOVING IT, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW ANY EXPOSED AREAS, DO SHOW A GREAT DEAL OF TERMITE DAMAGE AND A COMPROMISE TO THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE.

UM, I THINK ONCE WE START TO PULL AWAY SOME OF THE SKIN OF THIS BUILDING, IT'S GOING TO, UH, REVEAL EVEN WORSE CONDITIONS.

AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S JUST BEEN COMPLETELY IGNORED, UNFORTUNATELY FOR FAR TOO LONG.

I MEAN, I'M PRESERVATION AS PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY.

I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR OLDER, OLDER BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES, BUT AT SOME POINT THERE IS

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A POINT WHERE YOU KIND OF HAVE TO CUT BAIT ON A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS.

UNFORTUNATELY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW ORIGINAL THIS ARCHITECTURE IS.

IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT LOOKS VERY NICE FROM THE STREET, BUT AS THEY SAY, IT'S A GOOD FROM FAR, BUT IT'S FAR FROM GOOD.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

IF THERE, YES.

COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH.

YEAH.

UM, THIS IS ONE THAT I'M REALLY TORN OVER AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE IMPORTANCE ARCHITECTURALLY OF THIS PARTICULAR GIRA AND THIS HOUSE REPRESENTING IT IN THIS LOCATION, I THINK HAS BEEN STATED VERY WELL.

UM, EVEN THAT, UH, PORCH COLUMN DETAIL, UH, I WAS SO TAKEN BY THAT THAT, UM, I'VE REBUILT AN OLD HOUSE, UH, FOR MY OWN HOUSE AND I'VE RECREATED THAT VERY DETAIL FROM MY PORCH COLUMNS.

SO I REALLY LIKED THEM, BUT, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE EVEN A VERY EAGER OWNER WOULD HAVE A BIG JOB ON THEIR HANDS IN TRYING TO MAKE THIS HOLE.

AND I'M ALSO WONDERING IS THIS, YOU KNOW, MINDFUL OF WHAT IT TAKES AND WE'LL HAVE A SERIES OF THESE, UH, TO HAVE PROPERTIES THAT WILL GO TO THE HIGHER AUTHORITIES OVER, UH, AN OVER SUBJECTIONS.

UH, IT WILL THIS IN THIS CONDITION WITH THIS KIND OF PROPERTY WAS PAINT THE PICTURE THAT WILL BE OBVIOUS ENOUGH TO, UH, THE NON-EXPERT THAT WE'VE DONE OUR JOB.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHOULD BE, UH, USING OUR, OUR FULL EXTENT OF OUR, UH, HISTORIC ZONING, UH, POTENTIAL TO COMPEL AN OWNER TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO.

SO I, UM, AS I SAY, I'M TORN, I DON'T HAVE AN EASY ANSWER HERE.

OKAY.

IF JUST REAL QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT, THE OWNER IS NOW ON THE LINE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE OWNER HE IS NOW AVAILABLE.

OKAY.

I, UH, UNLESS HE HAS SOMETHING, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE OWNER, UH, YES.

COMMISSIONER LAROCHE.

I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION TO THE HONOR, BUT, BUT I, I DO HAVE A RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER COOK, WHICH IS THAT KEVIN AND ACTUALITY, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DETERIORATION AND TERMITE DAMAGES HAS, MAYBE YOU CAN TELL FROM MY QUESTIONS IS, IS FAR MORE CONCERNING THAN THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE, WHICH I THINK IS A FAIRLY EASY REMEDY.

AND SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I GOT THERE EITHER WAY, SO I DIDN'T, I DON'T HAVE A REAL GOOD FEEL OTHER THAN THE TEXT ON THE PAGE AS TO THE, THE AMOUNT OF DETERIORATION.

SO, BUT I, I MAY HAVE IMPROPERLY CHARACTERIZED IN MY PREVIOUS REMARKS AND THAT I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FOUNDATION THAN I AM THE ACTUAL INTEGRITY AND DEER DEER ROTATION AND TERMITE DAMAGE.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I'M JUST, UM, AS YOU KNOW, INSPECTIONS OF HISTORIC HOMES ARE VISUAL AND TACTILE AND YOU SEE, AND YOU FEEL, AND YOU CAN MEASURE DEGRADATION AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PORTRAY IT AND JUST SAYING THERE'S TERMITE DAMAGE WITHOUT KNOWING HOW MUCH THAT DAMAGE.

THERE IS A SAYING THAT THE FOUNDATION HAS SHOT WITHOUT SAYING HOW MUCH OUT OF SQUARE APPLY THEM, WHERE THEIR SEPARATION SHOWING PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, ALL THE PHOTOS.

I SEE, EVERYTHING SEEMS SQUARE AND TRUE.

AND, UH, YEAH, THE, THE PORCH LOOKS A LITTLE ROTTEN PORCHES LOOK A LITTLE ROTTEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF OVER 10 OR 15 YEARS.

UM, IT'S NOT A LOAD BEARING SOLID CONCRETE PORCH.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SKIMMED MAYBE WITH A DECK ON TOP THAT COULD BE REPLACED, BUT, UM, GIVEN THE QUALITY OF THE FINER WOODWORK ON THE PORCH AND GIVEN THE INTEGRITY TO FIND HER WHAT WOULD WORK ON THE PORCH, IF YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TO GO WITH THE HOUSE, WE'RE REALLY FALLING TO PIECES.

AND I'M JUST NOT ADEQUATELY CONVINCED THAT IT'S, THIS COULDN'T BE SAVED WHEREVER A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY BY SOMEONE WHO, WHO WANTED TO SAVE IT, NOT TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD A NEW, UH, TWO-STORY OFFICE BUILDING ON CESAR CHAVEZ IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

CHEER MYERS.

YES.

YES, YES.

SINCE THE OWNER IS AND HAS GONE TO THE EFFORT OF, OF, UM, CONVEY A CONNECTING ONLINE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF HIM AND I LIKE HIM TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT, UH, ON WHAT HE TOLD US IN HIS LETTER, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE HIS ORIGINAL APPROACH WAS IN FACT TO TRY TO USE THIS HOUSE OR

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ADAPTED TO HIS, UH, PROGRAM.

AND HE DOCUMENTED AT LEAST A FEW REASONS WHY THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT, BUT MAYBE HE COULD GO INTO SOME MORE DETAIL ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS DONE ALREADY TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF RESTORING THE HOUSE.

SO THAT'S MY QUESTION.

OKAY.

AND, UH, IF THE, IF THE OWNER IS ON THE LINE RIGHT NOW, UM, I WANTED TO LET HIM KNOW, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER WRIGHT SAID ABOUT, UH, CONTACTING THE NEST NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ABOUT GETTING INSURANCE FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

ALL RIGHT, BRAD HARRIS, YOU MAY SPEAK, UH, TO COMMISSIONER HIMSELF THE QUESTIONS.

HI, THIS IS BRAD HARRISON.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

UM, AS I MENTIONED IN OUR LETTER, OUR ORIGINAL INTENT AFTER DRIVING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME ORIGINAL BUILDINGS WHERE THEY BUILT UP ON A SECOND STORY.

I HAVE BEEN RENOVATING PROPERTIES WITH MY FAMILY SINCE I WAS A KID.

AND SO OUR INITIAL THOUGHT WHEN WE WENT INTO THAT HOUSE WAS WE WOULD GO UP A SECOND STORY STORY.

WE WOULD RENOVATE EVERYTHING.

WHEN WE THEN STARTED TO HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS COME IN AND SPEC, THERE WAS ASBESTOS THERE.

TERMITE DAMAGE IS EXTREMELY SEVERE.

ALL OF THE WOOD HAS WATER DAMAGE.

NOTHING IS STRAIGHT.

THE ROOF IS CO-CREATED.

ALL OF THE BEAMS ARE CROOKED.

ALL OF THE WALLS ARE CROOKED.

THE FLOORS ARE SAGGING.

THE FOUNDATION IS CRUMBLING, EVERY SINGLE ASPECT AND AT A MINIMUM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE KERN ACTOR ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT IS, UM, IS, UM, COST PROHIBITED.

WE DIDN'T GET ANY DEED TO JUST SAVE THE STRUCTURE FOR UNDER $3 MILLION, WHICH IS COST PROHIBITED.

LIKE THAT'S JUST TO LIKE TRY TO SAVE THIS BUILDING.

ALL OF THE ELECTRICITY IS OUT OF CODE.

IT'S ALL HAD TO BE REMOVED.

ALL OF THE ASBESTOS HAD TO BE REMOVED.

ALL OF THE SHEET ROCK HAD TO BE REMOVED.

IF YOU WERE TO GO TO THE HOUSE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE FLOOR, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE MOLDS, YOU CAN FEEL ALL OF THE DAMAGE.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, BUT I CAN NOT AFFORD THIS.

IF YOU HEARD MY LETTER ON THE SHOULDERS DISABLED, GET YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.

I HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE FAMILY IN AUSTIN.

SO ANYWAY, THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT IS JUST COST PROHIBITED.

I'VE BROUGHT IN THREE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS.

I BROUGHT IN TWO SHEPHERD ARCHITECT.

I'VE PAID FOR A TERMITE INSPECTION ON A PROPERTY THAT I'M TRYING TO DEMO.

I'VE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SOCIETY THAT WE HAVE MADE EVERY ATTEMPT AND EXPLORED EVERY OPTION.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER FURTHER QUESTION AND APOLOGIZE FOR THE BACKGROUND NOISE.

OKAY.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION COMMISSIONER? I'M SETH.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER RYAN, GO AHEAD.

YES.

AT ONE POINT, UM, WHICH I, I KIND OF THINK OF A LOT IN A NUMBER OF PROJECTS AND I'LL BRING THIS UP LATER TONIGHT.

UM, IF THE BUILDING IS THAT DETERIORATED, WHY DON'T BE HOUSE PHOTOS SHOWING THAT? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S ON THAT.

I'M JUST A FACT OF THE OWNER TO SUBMIT THAT, BUT I THINK IF THEY, IF THEY WANT TO REALLY PROVE TO US THAT THE BUILDING IS DETERIORATED TO THAT EXTENT, UM, ADDITIONAL PHOTOS WOULD BE USEFUL RATHER THAN SORT OF RECAPPING THE NUMBER OF ADDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, MADE TO THE HOUSE OVER TIME.

THAT'S ME.

IT'S IT'S UM, IS IT GETTING, IT'S JUST MUCH MORE INFLUENTIAL THAN THAT, UM, UNDERSTANDING THE, THE CONCERNS OF THE CORNER MOVING FORWARD? UM, IT'S DEFINITELY A QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

KIND OF A MS. CONTRAREZ CALLEN, UH, KAELIN.

CAN WE, DO WE, ARE WE STILL IN A TIMEFRAME WHERE WE

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CAN POSTPONE AGAIN TO GET SUCH PHOTOGRAPHS OR TO HAVE A SITE INSPECTION BY COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

OKAY.

I COMMISSIONERS I'M ASKING, UH, IF WE CAN POSTPONE THIS YET AGAIN, SO THAT WE CAN DO A SITE VISIT, UM, AND OBTAIN PHOTOGRAPHS, I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY.

OKAY.

COMMIT CALLAN.

I'M GOING TO LOOK UP THE, UH, THE TIMEFRAME TO SEE WHERE WE ARE.

UM, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, TEAM SAID THAT THE PHOTOS WERE INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, I THINK FROM LAST MONTH.

UM, SO THEY SHOULD BE ONLINE IN THE BACKUP.

UM, BUT FOR NOW I'M GONNA SEE WHERE WE ARE ON TIME.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PORCH, SAME PORCH, UH, BROKEN PORCH THEME DOES NOT REPRESENT THE LEVEL OF DETERIORATION THAT'S BEING DESCRIBED OTHER ONES.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I JUST BELIEVE ANYONE'S DESCRIPTION.

I'M JUST DEFINITELY THIS TYPE OF WORK.

AS, AS, AS COMMISSIONER COOK SAID, YOU KNOW, WE EAT TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND TO REALLY UNDERSTAND, YES, I'VE, I'VE DEALT WITH SERIOUS TERMITE INFESTATION BEFORE IN HISTORIC RENOVATIONS OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DEGREES TO WHICH, UH, DAMAGE CAN BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED.

UM, AND I'D MAKE A COMMENT FOR ANYONE LISTENING, FUTURE APPLICANTS.

IF, IF YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF TRYING TO EXPLORE RENOVATION AND GONE SO FAR AS TO GET QUOTES FOR RENOVATION, THOSE WILL BE REALLY USEFUL TO SEE, TO PROVE THE, THE, UM, THE HARDSHIP OF THE COST OF RENT OF A RENOVATION.

OKAY.

UM, IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION, MAY MS. HASSEY ADDRESS THE, THE COMMISSION.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE MORE EXTENSIVE PHOTO PACKAGE WAS EMAILED DIRECTLY TO COMMISSIONERS PRIOR TO THE MAY HEARING.

UM, THAT WAS A PRESENTATION THAT PROBABLY HAD SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK OF 50 SLIDES.

SO IT HAD A LOT MORE PHOTOS.

AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS EMAILED DIRECTLY TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS.

UM, SO I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T RECALL IF STAFF WAS INCLUDED IN THAT, BUT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE ALL THAT FULL PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT FIVE MINUTES WASN'T SUFFICIENT TO GO THROUGH, UM, ALL OF THE PHOTOS THAT WE WERE PROVIDING.

I, I DID NOT SEE SUCH AN EMAIL.

YOU HAVE COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE'VE DONE THE MATH AND THE CLOCK TIMES OUT ON THIS ONE ON JUNE 20TH.

SO THIS WAS THE LAST MEETING IT WILL BE HEARD.

OKAY.

AND I, I DO HAVE THE PHOTOS PULLED UP HERE IN THAT ATTACHMENT TO THE EMAIL.

AND, UH, IT SEEMS TO BE FOCUSING ON ORIGINAL VERSES 9, 19 35, MORE SO THAN ANY, ANY OPENINGS OR OUT OF SQUARE OUT OF PLUMB.

THERE IS SHIPLAP ON THE WALLS AND ON THE CEILING, UH, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT OTHER PROPERTIES WHERE THE WALLS ARE TEARING APART AND YOU CAN SEE OUTSIDE.

UM, I DON'T REALLY SEE IT.

IT'S NOT IN GREAT SHAPE.

I'M NOT GONNA DENY THAT THE FLOORBOARD TO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE, THEY ARE WATER WARPED.

UM, IT'S WOULD NOT BE AN EASY RENOVATION.

IT WOULD NOT BE, IT'S NOT MOVING READY FOR SURE.

UM, SO, BUT I SEE PHOTOS OF SCENES BETWEEN NEW AND OLD, WHERE EVERYTHING SEEMS ALIGNED.

I SEE APRONS AT THE FOUNDATION THAT ARE IN DECENT SHAPE.

UM, SO IT'S SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.

GREAT AND AWFUL.

BUT I, IF I WERE TO SEE THIS, I WOULD SEE QUITE A PROJECT IN RENOVATION TO BRING IT TO A QUALITY STATE, BUT, BUT NOT A TEAR DOWN.

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IT'S AN INTERESTING PROBLEM THAT WE'RE FACED WITH ALL THE TIME THAT WE HAVE THESE VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA OF, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS PROPERTY MEET HISTORIC LANDMARK STATUS OR NOT? AND THEN WE OFTEN GET OFF ON THIS OTHER SUBJECT OF LIKE, IS IT SALVAGEABLE? UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME NOT DISCUSSING THE ARCHITECTURAL MERITS OR THE HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, I FELT, I FELT THE STAFF HAD PRESENTED A PRETTY GOOD CASE.

AND IN, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS WHAT I DO.

I'M AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN.

I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS WORK FOR 34 YEARS.

AND TO ME, THIS