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LET'S GO AHEAD AND CONVENE.

TODAY'S A WORK SESSION OF THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL.

TODAY'S JUNE 14TH, 2022.

UH, IS NOW NINE 10 COLLEAGUES.

WE HAVE, UH, UM, THREE PULLED ITEMS, 52, ALSO 80, 81 AND ALSO 95.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT, UH, FOLKS WANTED TO HAVE ON SPEAKERS, RIGHT? HUMANIZING SPEAKERS.

WE HAVE, UH, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, WITH, UH, FOUR ITEMS, WE HAVE TWO BRIEFINGS.

UH, I THOUGHT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD DO THE POLL ITEMS, MAKE SURE WE DISCUSS ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HELP US ON THURSDAY, GO FROM THE POOL OF ITEMS, TO DISCUSSION OF SPEAKERS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

UM, MAYBE TALK TO OUR CLERK AND ALSO BE READY AS WE COME BACK AFTER THE, UH, UH, THE RECESS, UH, WORK GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, IN AND AROUND LUNCH, UH, COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, FINISHED ANY PULLED ITEMS WE STILL NEED TO DO.

UM, AND THEN GO STRAIGHT INTO BRIEFINGS AS CLOSE TO COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AS WE CAN.

AND IF WE WANT TO FINISH THE DAY, FINISHING THE CONVERSATION ON SPEAKERS, WE COULD DO THAT.

OKAY.

SO LET'S

[A. Pre-Selected Agenda Items]

BEGIN THEN WITH, UH, PULL ITEMS. UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE HERE IN THE, UH, BOARD AND COMMISSION ROOM.

WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT.

I SEE ON A TASHA ON THE SCREEN.

I SEE HER HER BOX, BUT I DON'T SEE HER.

AND, UH, UH, CATHERINE WENT IS NOT FEELING WELL THIS MORNING.

UH, NOT WITH US, UH, PROBABLY TODAY.

CAN I SEE THE CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER IS ALSO ON SCREEN.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, LSU PULLED YOUR, UM, TRAFFIC, UH, RESOLUTION.

I DID.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I, I PULLED MY OWN ITEM CAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DAYLIGHT THOSE TODAY.

UM, AND I SEE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, JIM DALE IS WITH US IN CASE WE HAVE ANY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LAY OUT WHERE THIS CONVERSATION CAME FROM.

THIS IS ABOUT NARROWLY TARGETING TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, SPECIFICALLY WHERE FATAL CRASHES ARE OCCURRING.

AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE WERE HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH NOT ONLY OUR PRECINCT THREE COUNTY CONSTABLE, UM, BUT ALSO THE VISION ZERO PROGRAM AND REALIZING THAT ALTHOUGH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS FULLY FUNDED, WE ARE AWARE THAT THEY ARE STILL TRAINING UP CADETS TO FILL THE VACANCIES THEY HAVE IN THE DEPARTMENT.

OFTENTIMES THE RESOURCES HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED SPECIFICALLY TO WHERE CRIMES ARE OCCURRING OR 9 1, 1 CALLS AND YOU KNOW, MORE HIGH-PROFILE SITUATIONS.

UM, AND THAT DOESN'T LEAVE THEM AVAILABLE TO NECESSARILY, UM, JUST BE PRESENT AND BE VISIBLE AND TO PULL PEOPLE OVER FOR SPEEDING ON HIGHWAYS, UM, DRUNK DRIVING, OTHER RECKLESS THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, UM, SPECIFICALLY IN REGARD TO MY DISTRICT AREAS THAT KIND OF OVERLAP CLOSER TO THE EDGE OF THE CITY LIMITS, WHERE WE KNOW THE CONSTABLES ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UM, PATROLLING OVER THERE.

AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT WANTED TO ADD ANY, UM, ELEMENTS TO THIS THAT THEY THINK NEED TO BE DAYLIGHTED IN THIS.

SO IT JUST SAYS, UM, TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO GO AND LOOK AT OPTIONS WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS, UM, WITH OUR VISION ZERO PROGRAMMING AND ICY LOUIS LEFT IS NOW ON THE SCREEN AS WELL.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, LOUIS, I KNOW WE, UM, MY OFFICE TALKED WITH YOU EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THIS.

UH, THANK YOU, DON SMITH LEWIS LEFT THE AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION SAFETY OFFICER.

WE'RE BASICALLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE ANY CONTEXT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN DISCUSSION TODAY.

SO THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY JUST TO REITERATE WHAT LEWIS SAID.

YES.

WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH APD AND CONSTABLES, LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED FOR A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, AND WE'VE MET WITH EACH OF THE COUNCIL OFFICES TO TALK ABOUT A POTENTIAL, UM, AGREEMENT WITH TRAVIS COUNTY, BUT THIS RESOLUTION IS A LITTLE BIT BROADER TO LOOK AT NEAR TERM STRATEGIES AND LONG-TERM STRATEGIES.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

AND IT'S A RESOLUTION TO EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITIES.

OKAY.

MAY I PRETEND? THANK YOU.

UM, I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS FOR DRAFTING THIS UP AND I'M PROUD TO CO-SPONSOR.

UM, THIS IS, UH, A QUESTION OF TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND REALLY SAFETY, UM, THAT IS LONG STANDING.

AND I THINK AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY IS REALLY IMPORTANT,

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UM, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A FUNCTION OF CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN 2020 AND A FUNCTION OF THE STAFFING CRISIS.

WE WERE ALREADY DROPPING IN OUR ENFORCEMENT LEVELS PRIOR TO WHEN I CAME ON TO COUNCIL IN 2017.

AND REMEMBER IN, UM, 2017, UM, THERE'S A, YOU, THERE WAS A HUGE JUMP, I THINK WAS 2017.

THERE WAS A HUGE JUMP IN THE RECEIPTS THAT THE MUNICIPAL COURT WAS HAVING FROM TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.

UM, THE, UH, SO THE, THE ISSUE OF HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE SPENDING DOING TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, HOW MUCH TIME WE NEED TO BE SPENDING THAT, UM, IS A LONGSTANDING ONE.

UM, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR, FOR CONTEXT.

I THINK THAT THE APPROACH MOVING FORWARD ALSO IS IMPORTANT AND THAT IT RECOGNIZES THAT THIS IS ABOUT SAFETY.

IT'S NOT ABOUT RAISING MONEY.

IT'S ABOUT HOW DO WE KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT ARE OBEYING THE SPEED LIMITS SO THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE? BECAUSE THOSE CHANGES OF, YOU KNOW, YOU START GETTING 15 MILES ABOVE THE SPEED LIMIT, WHICH WE DO SEE FIVE MILES EVERY, EVERY LITTLE BIT MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE, UM, THAT HISTORY.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A LONG STANDING PROBLEM.

I THINK THIS IS AN INNOVATIVE SOLUTION.

I APPRECIATE OUR STAFF AND I APPRECIATE, UM, THE CONSTABLE'S, UM, CREATIVITY AND THINKING ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THIS IN A WAY THAT TARGET US ON, UM, OUR MOST PROBLEMATIC AREAS.

THANK YOU.

LET'S GO.

THE HISTORY IS HELPFUL BECAUSE WE'RE IN PULLING, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD RESOLUTION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING IT.

I WANTED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED ITEM THAT TALKS ABOUT CONTRACTING WITH THE CONSTABLES, UM, AND NEGOTIATING AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH TRAVIS COUNTY.

I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UM, TAXPAYERS PAY TAXES TO TRAVIS COUNTY AND, UH, THE ENFORCEMENT IS HISTORICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.

SO WE ARE EFFECTIVELY FUNDING THE CONSTABLES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY GETTING AS MUCH SERVICE FROM THOSE RESOURCES.

AND I REALLY WOULD URGE OUR STAFF TO NEGOTIATE THAT ITEM VERY CAREFULLY.

I DO THINK THAT THERE IS THE ABILITY FOR TRAVIS COUNTY TO STEP UP ITS ENFORCEMENT WITHIN, UM, CITY OF AUSTIN CONFINES, NOT ONLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S, UM, BOUNDARY LINES.

SO I REALLY LIKED THAT PARTICULAR, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED IN, AND I WILL POINT TO THE FACT THAT I WORKED FOR, UM, CONSTABLE FIVE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL.

SO I HAVE A SENSE OF THE KIND OF WORK THAT IS DONE IN THOSE OFFICES.

AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE BUDGETING, UH, STRUCTURES THAT THEY'RE UNDER AND, UM, HOW THEY GO ABOUT CRAFTING THEIR BUDGETS.

SO THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO GO IN AND HAVE THOSE CON THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH CONSTABLE THREE, CERTAINLY, BUT I WOULD URGE IT TO BE EVEN BROADER SPECIFICALLY CONSTABLE FIVE, WHICH HAS THE JURISDICTION FOR ALL OF THE CENTRAL PART OF THE CITY.

SO THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS.

I APPRECIATE THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND I KNOW, UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, PRECINCT FOUR.

AND SO I KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING ON ALL OUTSKIRTS AND WOULD ABSOLUTELY WELCOME THE CONVERSATION BEING ABOUT ALL, ALL OF THE PRECINCTS.

AND WE ALSO WROTE IT TO BE VERY NARROWLY CRAFTED SO THAT IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT PULLING PEOPLE OVER FOR TAILLIGHTS OR OTHER MINOR INFRACTIONS, VERY, VERY FOCUSED ON THE HIGH RATE OF SPEEDING AND THE FATALITIES AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF CRASHES.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND SIMPLY HAVING A VISIBLE PRESENCE WILL GO A LONG WAY TO DETERRING PEOPLE, TO REMIND THEM THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN AT PLAY AND THERE ARE FOLKS WALKING AND OTHER PEOPLE DRIVING.

SO JUST TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF AWARENESS OR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE DRIVING AND POTENTIALLY BREAKING LAWS WITH THEIR SCREENING.

ABSOLUTELY.

SOME OF Y'ALL MAY REMEMBER, UM, IT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, BUT THERE WAS A CAR GOING DOWN A STREET IN MY DISTRICT AT A VERY HIGH RATE OF SPEED, ABOUT 80 OR 90 MILES AN HOUR.

I THINK THE INDIVIDUAL WAS MAYBE 19 YEARS OLD.

UM, IT JUMPED THE CURB AND ENDED UP IN A TREE OVER THE SIDEWALK THAT PEOPLE HAPPEN TO USE TO WALK TO THE NEIGHBORING MIDDLE SCHOOL.

AND SO IT WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, UM, IMPACTED THE COMMUNITY GREATLY.

AND I KNOW EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE SLOW DOWN, BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFUL WITH THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DRIVING.

THAT'S WHERE COUNTY THANK YOU.

I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY SAY THE SAME POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER POOL SAID THAT THE CONSTABLES CAN AND WILL STOP YOU FOR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.

AND THIS REALLY AMPLIFIES THAT PRESENCE AND FOR SAFETY, WE'RE GOING TO GO A LONG WAY TO REALLY GETTING THAT TO OUR GOAL EFFICIENCY ROASTS.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS ITEM COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD.

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THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, AND IT'S GOOD THAT AS WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLORE ALL DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO DO PUBLIC SAFETY AS EFFECTIVELY AS WE CAN.

UH, I NOTICED IN THE MEDIA YESTERDAY THAT DALLAS IS NOW MOVING TOWARD THE SAME KIND OF INCREASED REPORTING, UH, OF, UH, EVENTS OVER THE INTERNET RATHER THAN HAVING, UH, POLICE OFFICERS, UH, UH, UH, RESPONDING TO TAKE REPORTS, UH, FOR, FOR MANY OF THE REASONS THAT OUR POLICE CHIEF SAID, HE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER USE OF PEOPLE'S TIME.

UH, IT'S INTERESTING THAT NOW THAT THAT'S BEING PICKED UP IN, UH, IN, IN OTHER PLACES.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, WHAT ABOUT, UH, NEXT ITEM, UH, ITEM 80 AND 81 COUNCILOR TOVO YOU PULLED THIS ONE, THE STATESMAN TRIAL.

THANKS MAYOR.

UM, I CAN BE REALLY QUICK ON THIS.

I AM ASKING STAFF, OR I WILL REQUEST A POSTPONEMENT ON THIS.

WE DON'T YET HAVE AN ORDINANCE.

THIS IS A VERY BIG, VERY COMPLEX, UM, REZONING PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT REZONING, AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT, THAT BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY REVIEW THAT, THAT, UM, ORDINANCE PRIOR TO VOTING ON IT ON SECOND READING.

UM, REMEMBER IF I, IF I MAY ADD, UM, WE DO HAVE A POSTPONE REQUEST THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UH, SOUTH RIVER CITY, UM, CITIZENS ASSOCIATION.

UM, SO IT'S FROM WENDY PRICE.

TODD.

IT IS THE FIRST REQUEST FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A POSTPONEMENT TO THE NEXT MEETING OF JULY 28TH.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, I WOULD HAVE REQUESTED A POSTPONE IN ANY WAY SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD REGARD IT AS A POSTPONEMENT, OTHER FROM STAFF OR COUNCIL.

YEAH.

UM, I REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS, ONE OF THE ONLY REASONS I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WAS TO INITIATE THAT ORDINANCE TO STAFF HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHEN WE MIGHT HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW.

UM, THE ORDINANCE, I JUST SPOKE TO A LOT OF PARDON ME ABOUT THIS MORNING.

UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A DRAFT POSSIBLY BY TOMORROW, BUT IT'S A VERY LENGTHY COMPLICATED ORDINANCE.

IT'S 20 PAGES LONG IT'S AND I WOULD APPRECIATE TIME TO REVIEW THAT.

SO I BELIEVE A POSTPONEMENT IS APPROPRIATE.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER TOVA YES, CATHERINE.

AND JUST TO CONFIRM THE POSTPONEMENT IS AT THE COUNCIL'S REQUEST.

OKAY.

UH, ON THURSDAY, WE'LL SEE WHO MAKES A MOTION, BUT YES, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW MIRROR.

UM, WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WHO WANT TO KNOW, KIND OF GET A SENSE OF THE COUNCILS WILL ON THIS SIDE, APPRECIATE HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES, BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST ASK OUR STAFF.

WE'VE HAD VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS, INCLUDING MOST EXTENSIVELY AS A COUNCIL LAST FALL IN DECEMBER, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT, WE ALSO REQUESTED TO HAVE, UH, THE, THE FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS PROVIDED TO ALL THE COUNCIL, THE DIFFERENT ANALYSES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLAN, UM, TAX INCREMENT, REFINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE.

AND SO I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT MY OFFICE HAS NOW GOTTEN THOSE FILES.

I'M NOT SURE IF EVERY COUNCIL OFFICE HAS GOTTEN THOSE FILES, BUT I DO THINK AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BALANCE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PARTICULAR AND THE OTHER KINDS OF AMENITIES THAT ARE PART OF THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A COUNCIL DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

I DID REQUEST A MEETING, UM, WITH ECO NORTHWEST AND WAS TOLD THAT THERE WE REQUESTED IT.

UM, I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT WHEN, BUT WE WERE TOLD THEY COULDN'T MEET BEFORE THURSDAY.

UM, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION HERE AS WELL ABOUT THOSE FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPERS IS REFERENCING AS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE PERCENTAGE.

SO MY REQUEST IS ALSO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERY COUNCIL OFFICE HAS THOSE DOCUMENTS, UM, IF THEY WANT TO REVIEW IT, BUT ALSO THAT WE MAKE SPACE WHEN, WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO US BEFORE THIS COMES BACK TO US, THAT WE MAKE SPACE IN OUR JULY MEETING TO TALK ABOUT, TO TALK ABOUT THOSE FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS, PERHAPS WITH THE CONSULTANTS.

AND I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL CONSULTANTS NOW WHO HAVE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS FOR THIS AREA.

THERE IT IS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, RODNEY GONZALES.

YES, COUNCIL MEMBER WILL FROM THAT.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS RECEIVED THOSE FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS.

NOW WE'LL GET WITH TIERING ROSIE AS TO HOW WE CAN CARVE OUT THAT TIME THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING FOR COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THOSE ANALYSIS.

THERE'S ALSO A BROADER CONVERSATION TOO.

I AGREE.

WE NEED TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ANALYZE THOSE.

UH, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE NUMBERS FOR THE DISTRICT AND LOOKED AT THE TERS FUNDING, IT WAS APPARENT THAT STAFF WAS COMING BACK AND SAYING, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE IN HERE, THERE'S NOT THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO GET TO.

UH, AND, UM, PART OF THIS, I THINK, RELATES TO

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THE, THE, THE REGULATING PLAN IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE AREA.

BUT I KNOW GOING BACK TO ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED WHEN THE PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED, GOING BACK FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO, UM, THERE WERE CERTAIN, UH, HEIGHT THAT WERE PROPOSED FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE IN THIS AREA.

AND I THINK IT WAS LIKE 200, 300, 400 FOOT OF HEIGHT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE INCREASED THE HEIGHT OF THOSE BUILDINGS, GENERALLY IN THIS AREA, WHICH I SEE AS AN EXTENSION OF DOWNTOWN.

AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP THAT WAY.

AND I THINK THAT OVER THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS IS QUITE A FEEL THAT WAY.

BUT IF THE HEIGHT WE'RE NOT 200, 300, 400, BUT 300, 400, 500 OR 400, 500, 600, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT DOES TO THE TERS FINANCING.

AND WHETHER THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO RAISE THE MONEY ON A TERM THAT WOULD FUND ALL OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE WANT IN THAT AREA.

AND IF IT DOES, THEN I THINK THAT'S A CHOICE THAT OUGHT TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO SEE RATHER THAN BEING LOCKED INTO AN ASSUMPTION THAT THAT IS, IS OLDER AND PERHAPS MADE IN A DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO THROW THAT INTO THE MIX.

CAN YOU HELP WITH THAT? SURE.

IF I COULD, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE ISSUES ARE REALLY INTERTWINED.

YOU'VE GOT, OF COURSE THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLAN, YOU'VE GOT THE TERS, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, YOU'VE GOT THE REGULATING PLAN AND OF COURSE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF COUNCIL IS THE STATESMAN PUD.

UM, IT MAY BE THAT WE COLLECTIVELY GET TOGETHER WITH, UH, FINANCE AND OF COURSE, WITH ROSIE AND JERRY, TO TALK ABOUT THE TERMS IN GENERAL, JUST KIND OF LIKE A COUNCIL REFRESH THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WENT INTO THE TOURIST ANALYSIS, INCLUDING THE HEIGHT.

UM, AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE MOST RECENT ANALYSIS WAS UPDATED BY CHARLES .

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE REGULATING PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS IS, WHAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING IN THAT REGULATING PLAN.

AND THEN OF COURSE, TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL ANALYSES ASSOCIATED WITH STATESMAN PUD.

SO I CAN GET WITH STAFF ABOUT JUST HOW THAT COLLECTIVE, UH, BRIEFING WOULD LOOK AHEAD OF THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE STATESMEN PUD.

UM, VERY LIKELY IT WOULD BE AT THAT SAME COUNCIL MEETING.

AND SO WE'D WANT TO OF COURSE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION FIRST.

UM, BUT I CAN GET WITH STANFORD ABOUT ALL THOSE, UH, MATTERS THAT UN COUNCIL MEMBER TOBO HAD BROUGHT, HAD BROUGHT UP TWO TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND ALSO TO LAY OUT A CALENDAR FOR WHEN IS ANTICIPATED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO RESOLVE AND HEAR THOSE ISSUES, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.

COUNCIL, OUR POOL.

YEAH.

I HAD TALKED WITH, UM, UM, ACM GONZALEZ AND THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT REQUESTING A BRIEFING ON BOTH THE ECO NORTHWEST AND THE, UM, EPS OR ESP CPS, RIGHT.

UPS.

YES, YES, YES.

IT HAD HE ASKED, UM, SO THAT WE COULD ALL GET A SENSE OF WHAT WAS CONTAINED IN THOSE REPORTS, SEE WHAT ANY, WHERE THEY ALIGN WITH ONE ANOTHER, WHERE THE DIFFERENCES MAY FALL SO THAT WE COULD GET A, UH, MORE, UH, IN-DEPTH UNDERSTANDING OF THE FINANCIALS, WHICH IS AN UNKNOWN, UNUSUAL PLACE FOR US TO BE, TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF DATA AND INFORMATION.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE, AND IT WILL TAKE US DIGGING INTO THE DETAILS IN ORDER TO RENDER THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND POSITIVE, UM, RESULT, I THINK FOR THE, FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CITY.

UM, AND IF I COULD COUNSEL REMEMBER THAT ANALYSIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE THE COMPARISON OF THE ECON NORTHWEST FROM 2020 TO THE RECENT APS ANALYSIS.

SO THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES THAT IS EXCELLENT.

I THINK THAT'LL BE REALLY HELPFUL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN TODAY BECAUSE THE PRINCIPALS WEREN'T AVAILABLE, BUT IT MAYBE COULD HAPPEN WHERE YOU SAYING IN JULY, WE ANTICIPATED IN JULY.

AND OF COURSE THE PRINCIPALS AREN'T, UH, HERE AS WELL.

UM, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE FINAL DRAFT.

THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYTHING THAT THEY PUT INTO THE DRAFT IS AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO WE WANT TO WORK WITH THEM IN BETWEEN NOW AND THAT DISCUSSION TO FINALIZE THAT, THAT DOCUMENT.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANKS.

IN TERMS OF OUR KITCHEN.

YES.

I WANT TO RESPOND TO COUNCIL MEMBER TOVA IS QUESTION.

I, I ALSO SUPPORT, UM, POSTPONEMENT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THE DOCUMENTS SO THAT WE CAN READ THROUGH THEM AND ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID.

I THINK UNDERSTANDING THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IMPORTANT.

AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THAT INFORMATION.

YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON MY PREVIOUS QUESTION ABOUT THE ORDINANCE WHEN IT MIGHT BE READY.

IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD SEND THAT TO COUNCIL WHEN IT IS READY SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT? OR IS THERE A PLACE ONLINE WHERE WE CAN PUT ALL OF THIS INFORMATION SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT AND REVIEW IT AS WELL? AND WE CAN GET FEEDBACK.

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YES, WE CAN DO THAT AHEAD OF THE POSTING.

OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL MOVE OFF THIS AND JUST ASK IF ANYBODY HAS A CONCERN ABOUT IT, ABOUT A POST-MOMENT.

I DON'T, IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE TO ME THAT THERE WOULD BE A POSTPONEMENT.

UM, I HAD HEARD THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF POSTPONEMENT, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU DON'T WANT TO CHARGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE THE ORDINANCES AND BACK, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

ONE OF OUR PRESENTATIONS IS STILL ON THAT IS OKAY.

YOU'RE SORRY.

YOU'RE STILL GETTING A PRESENTATION TODAY ON THAT.

IT'S A DIFFERENT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT HAS A DIFFERENT ONE.

OKAY.

OKAY, NATASHA, THANK YOU, JERRY.

APPRECIATE IT.

UM, I DON'T IN FACT HAVE, UH, ANY PROBLEM WITH THE POSTPONEMENT.

IN FACT, I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

I, I SUPPORTED, I AGREE THAT THIS TIMELINE HAS BEEN RELATIVELY CONFUSING.

I FEEL LIKE WE ABSOLUTELY NEED MORE TIME TO REALLY TRULY WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND THIS VERY COMPLEX PROPOSAL AND THE POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

LONG-TERM I ALWAYS, ALWAYS TRY TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MY BABY SAID, WHAT, WHAT WILL AUSTIN LOOK LIKE IN 2080? SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE APPROACH THIS COMPLEX PROPOSAL, WE REALLY RECOGNIZE HOW IT FITS INTO THE LARGER SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISION, UM, FUTURE FACING AUSTIN.

UM, SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUMP THE BRAKES.

I THINK WE REALLY NEEDED TO.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP COUNCIL MEMBER TBA.

SO RODNEY, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT PRESENTATION, I HAD ONLY PRESENTATION ON WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN, BUT, BUT WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE IF WE INCREASE THE HEIGHT, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT ON THOSE ISSUES, UH, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A GENERAL FEEL TO GET A FEEL FOR THAT, I'LL GET WITH AND KIM AND LUVATA IS THEY'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH CHARLES THOMPSON TO DO THOSE ASSUMPTIONS.

UM, AND WE, IF THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, WE'LL CERTAINLY RELAY THOSE TO COUNSEL AHEAD OF THE PRESENTATION.

OKAY.

THANKS.

BUT JUST TO BEGIN, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS PRETTY MEATY, COMPLICATED FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.

AND SO I REALLY WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'RE, THAT THAT IS GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION BECAUSE JUST LOOKING THROUGH, I THINK, INDEPENDENTLY LOOKING THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT, THESE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL ANALYSIS IS PRETTY CHALLENGING TO TRY TO TRY TO GO FROM THAT, TO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING ISN'T IS NOT POSSIBLE.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IT'S FINE TO LOOK AT OTHER SCENARIOS, BUT COULD WE PLEASE FIRST START BY JUST REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT SCENARIOS THEY'VE MODELED AND, AND HOW THAT, WHAT THAT SUGGESTS IN TERMS OF, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PARKS AND OTHER THINGS CERTAINLY.

AND IF I COULD OFFER A DISTINCTION, WHAT THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT WITH REGARD TO HIGH AS OVERALL ALTERS ANALYSIS, WHICH IS NOT THE ONE THAT EPS IS DOING FOR US, THAT'S A SEPARATE ONE THAT KIM AND AD ARE WORKING WITH CHARLES HEINZ HEAD-ON, UH, FOR THE ANALYSIS SPECIFIC TO THE STATESMAN.

THAT'S ONE THAT ROSIE AND JERRY ARE WORKING WITH APS ON.

AND, AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT AS A SEPARATE ANALYSIS FROM WHAT THE MAYOR HAS BEEN ASKING FOR.

SEE THAT I THINK TOO, THOUGH, SOME OF THE EARLIER ANALYSES, SOME OF THE EARLIER FINANCIAL ANALYSES THAT FORMED THE BASIS FOR THE SOUTH CENTRAL ASSUMPTIONS ARE ALSO BEING CITED AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PLANNED UNIT.

SO IT'S ALL IT ALL IS INTERMIXED, BUT I JUST WANT TO SORT OF START BY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE ANALYSIS FOR, FOR WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THAT IN THE PLANNING PLANNING, AND WE'LL DO OUR VERY BEST, UH, COME THAT BRIEFING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE DISTINCTIONS SO THAT OUR COUNCIL CAN HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION ON THOSE MATTERS THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT.

YEAH.

AND, AND THEY ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY ARE INTERRELATED.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT I WANT THIS DEVELOPER TO DO WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO, ABSENT THAT DEVELOPER DOING THEM.

CAUSE THAT MIGHT PRIORITIZE WHAT IT IS I WANT THIS DEVELOPER TO DO.

IF WE'RE OTHERWISE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS, THEN THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, THAT I MIGHT WANT TO BE ASKING THE DEVELOPER TO DO.

IF OUR TERRORS ENABLES US TO HAVE THE PUBLIC, DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PUBLIC BENEFIT.

SO I BOTH INFORMING THEIR DIFFERENT INFORMATION, BUT IN, FOR ME, THEY'RE, THEY'RE INTERRELATED ON THIS QUESTION.

THAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW.

YES.

MAYOR PRO TEM.

SO, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN ON THIS PART, I THINK IT'S STILL VERY FAR FROM BEING READY FOR US TO VOTE ON NOT JUST FOR THE POSTPONEMENT.

UM, THERE'S NOT ONLY THE FINANCIAL SIDE.

UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT'S IN THE PUD.

UM, I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKLAND AND WHAT WE'RE DELIVERING WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKLAND AND, AND WHAT IS EXPECTED OF HIM.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY UNCLEAR

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IN THE MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE SEEN.

UM, AND I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS, WHICH MAY BE APPROPRIATE HERE, UM, THIS SHOULD NOT BE A FLY BY THE NIGHT, UM, 12:00 AM DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO WE SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED TO SCHEDULE SOME DEDICATED TIME TO LOOKING AT THIS.

I THINK IT RISES TO THAT LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE FOR OUR CITY.

UM, AND, AND WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED NOT ONLY DEDICATED TIME IN THE WORK SESSION, BUT A COUNCIL MEETING THAT IS FOCUSED ON THAT.

SO THE COMMUNITY CAN COME SPEAK TO US IN A CLEAR WAY AND THAT WE CAN FOCUS IN ON THE CHANGES.

THE JULY MEETING IS TRADITIONALLY A VERY HEAVY MEETING AS IS THE AUGUST MEETING.

UM, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T DEAL WITH IT AT ALL.

AND THEN, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO GIVE OUR SPACE TO HAVE A PROCESS THAT LEADS TO GOOD DECISIONS.

OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK IT MIGHT VERY WELL BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

I PULLED THE NEXT ITEM COUNCILOR TOVO, UH, AND I, AND I PULLED IT, UH, JUST TO, BECAUSE I WAS IN YOUR QUORUM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ELEVATE THE CONVERSATION.

YOU AND I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND I FULLY EXPECT US TO BE ABLE TO, TO AGREE TO LANGUAGE, TO ASSUAGE MY CONCERN.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY HISTORIC AREA AND NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH INITIATING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AT THE SAME TIME WE PASSED A RESOLUTION LAST WEEK THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER, MADISON BROUGHT, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, WAS PERHAPS TAKING A LOOK AT, UM, UM, OTHER ISSUES THAT, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, CONTAINED WITHIN THE, THE INITIATED HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T SUPERSEDING OR LOSING TRACK OF THAT EARLIER RESOLUTION.

AND THAT BY DOING THIS, WE WEREN'T LIMITING THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT CAN BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION, RECOGNIZE THE BENEFIT OF US ACTUALLY INITIATING SOME SOMEWHERE, BUT NOT PREDETERMINING WHAT THE ULTIMATE CONCLUSIONS WOULD BE.

UM, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO YOU HAD SUGGESTED SOME LANGUAGE THAT THAT WOULD HAVE ADDED IN, UM, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT IT'S NOT SUPERSEDING OR DISPLACING IT, UH, AND THAT IT'S INITIATING A BROADER CONVERSATION.

AND I HAD INDICATED, UM, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE.

UM, I, WHERE YOU AND I NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME TALKING IS ABOUT THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, BECAUSE I DO, I DO THINK THAT THIS IS THE VEHICLE BY WHICH WE ACHIEVE WHAT WAS DESCRIBED IN LAST WEEK'S, UM, RESOLUTION.

THERE WAS A PASSAGE I'LL CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO TALKING ABOUT IN THE SECOND VIET FURTHER RESOLVED, IT DIRECTS THE MANAGER TO PREPARE A CODE AMENDMENT, AND THEN POINT A OF THAT TALKS ABOUT ALLOWING A STRUCTURE TO HAVE A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF ONE 40 FEET, UM, OR WHATEVER IS ALLOWABLE UNDER THE CAPITOL VIEW CORRIDOR.

AND THEN THE NEXT PASSAGE TALKS ABOUT CREATING DESIGN STANDARDS WITH SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FACADES ON HISTORIC STRUCTURES TO ENSURE ANY REDEVELOPMENT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES GET GET CREATED THROUGH A LOCAL HISTORY PERSPECTIVE.

AND SO, AND THEN WHEN I LOOKED BACK AT THE LETTER THAT WE HAVE FROM, FROM THE, I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST GIVE ME ONE MINUTE, I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN SOMETHING IN IN ONE OF THE LETTERS, BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, OH YEAH, IT IS IN THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCES LETTER THAT THEY SENT US ON JUNE 7TH, UM, ADVOCATING IN SUPPORT OF THESE CODE AMENDMENTS.

THEY, THEY KNOW TO, FOR THE STRUCTURES TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC SIXTH STREETS DISTRICT, THEIR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOULD COMPLY WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS.

AND THEY TALK ABOUT MAINTAINING THE STEP, THE STEP BACK.

SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, I'M GLAD YOU'RE IS HERE IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS IN THE MAIN, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE, IN THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTING A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT AREA, UM, HAVE A GREAT ROLE IN HELPING SHAPE AND SUGGEST WHAT THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE GOING TO BE.

THERE'S A PRETTY STANDARD SET THAT THAT CAN BE MODIFIED.

BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S VERY MUCH IN CONCERT WITH WHAT, WITH THE, WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU ADDED THAT WAS QUITE GENERAL ABOUT PLANNING.

I THINK THIS IS THE VEHICLE THROUGH WHICH WE ACHIEVE THAT KIND OF PLANNING AND HISTORIC AREA.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M STILL IN YOUR CORE.

I THINK YOU AND I HAVE COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT, THAT, THAT WORKS ON THIS.

I DON'T EXPECT IT TO REALLY BE AN ISSUE ON THURSDAY.

GREAT.

THANK YOU,

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JERRY, WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEEDED TO ADD OR ANYTHING THAT I SAID THAT WASN'T ACCURATE ABOUT THE LOCALIST DIRECT DISTRICT? NO.

THE, UH, THE PURPOSE OF A LOW, WELL, WHAT ARE THE MAIN FUNCTIONS OF LOCAL STORE DISTRICT IS TO ESTABLISH DESIGN STANDARDS? UM, IN THE PAST, I SUPPOSE, COMMONLY BEEN RESIDENTIAL DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT, UH, THERE'S NO REASON IT CANNOT BE COMMERCIAL.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT THE, UH, THERE IS OVERLAP BETWEEN THE RESOLUTION THAT PASSED YESTERDAY AND WHAT A LOCAL STORE, I MEAN, LAST WEEK AND WHAT A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT DOES.

HOW DOES THAT WORK WHEN IT'S INITIATED BY THE COUNCIL VERSUS WHEN IT'S INITIATED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, FRANKLY, UM, THE ONLY WAY I THINK THAT THE WAY I WOULD TAKE THIS RESOLUTION AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS A, IS FOR THE STAFF TO GO OUT AND DO THE WORK RELATED TO A LOCAL STORE DISTRICT.

BUT THE WAY THE CODE IS SET UP AT EXTRA REQUIRES THE 51% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS PETITION FOR THE CREATION OF A DISTRICT.

SO WE WOULD WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS IF THIS RESOLUTION WERE TO PASS ON, UM, WHAT A DISTRICT MEANS AND TO SEE IF THEY SUPPORT IT.

UH, WE REALLY CAN'T INITIATE.

WE CAN, YOU CANNOT ENCOURAGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK YOU CAN START THE PROCESS OF THE STAFF WORKING ON IT, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD TAKE THIS RESOLUTION TO DO.

BUT THE ACTUAL CREATION OF A DISTRICT REQUIRES THE CONSENT OF THE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND WE WOULD BRING THAT TO ONCE WE HAD THAT CONSENT, WE WOULD BRING IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

OKAY.

BUT IT, BUT IT IS THE STRUCTURE THROUGH WHICH THE DESIGN STANDARD, I MEAN THAT IT USUALLY YIELDS A SET OF DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH IS ALREADY WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS INITIATED, OR, YOU KNOW, IN LAST WEEK'S INITIATION, IT CALLED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO IT ALWAYS RESULTS INTO THE ESTABLISHMENT.

I MEAN, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IT'S ALL THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE, HAVE TO BE CREATED, BUT THAT, BUT THAT WOULD ASSUME.

AND THEN IN THIS CASE, I DON'T THINK IT MAY BE AN ISSUE, BUT SINCE WE CAN'T DO IT IN A, REQUIRES THE NEIGHBORHOOD 50 PLUS 1% OF THE AREA TO DO IT, IF 50 PLUS 1% OF THE AREA DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT, THEY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WE CAN'T AGREE ON STANDARDS.

SO WE JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

WE CAN'T FORCE THAT OR OTHERWISE INITIATE THAT OURSELVES.

NOW, THE ONLY WAY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO ATTACH HEIGHTS OR OTHER STUFF WOULD BE THROUGH A DIFFERENT INITIATED PROCESS THAT WE CAN INITIATE.

YES.

IT COULD BE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT UP CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE TO CREATE A SPECIAL AREA FOR SIXTH STREET THAT HAS ITS OWN SET OF REGULATIONS.

IT COULD ALSO BE DONE THROUGH A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT CREATES, YOU KNOW, DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH ARE BASICALLY THE SAME THING.

A SIMILAR THING HAPPENED MAYOR IN CLARKSVILLE MANY YEARS AGO, RIGHT.

THE COUNCIL CREATED THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEN IMMEDIATELY SAY, NOW GO, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ONE IN CLARKSVILLE.

AND WE HAD TO EXPLAIN THE CITY COUNCIL DID THE PROCESS THAT THEY CREATED ACTUALLY BACK THEN, IT REQUIRED MORE THAN 51%.

UM, UM, SO WE HAD TO TELL COUNCIL BY RIDICULED AT THE TIME THAT THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE THAT THE COUNCIL HAD JUST PASSED ACTUALLY WAS A, UM, COME FROM BELOW I PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO A COME FROM ABOVE.

UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, SO THIS, TO ME, THIS RESOLUTION WOULD SAY, STAFF GO WORK WITH THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA ON THE, UH, THE IDEA OF THE CREATION OF A DISTRICT AND SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE.

OKAY.

YOU'RE RIGHT, THOUGH, THERE IS TWO WAYS THAT WE COULD HAVE DESIGN STANDARD OR WE COULD HAVE THESE, THE REGULATIONS THAT COULD BE THROUGH THE CODE.

IT CAN BE THROUGH A DISTRICT.

THEY COULD BE THROUGH, FRANKLY, BOTH THAT WOULD BE RUN PARALLEL SIDE BY SIDE.

OKAY.

AND IT'S JUST THAT VARIATIONS THAT I WANTED TO ALLOW FOR RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS A REALLY HISTORIC AREA AND I'M REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH US NEEDING IN THAT PROCESS.

THANKS.

AND I'M GOING TO LOOK BACK AT THE LANGUAGE, UM, ABOUT INITIATION.

OKAY.

BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, WHAT I THINK I HEAR AS SUPPORT FOR MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU.

I ALSO WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW IF, HOW THIS MIGHT AFFECT THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED LAST WEEK.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS, UH, TRADITIONALLY AT LEAST FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, IT'S NOT BEEN THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO FORCE A BUSINESS OWNER INTO A HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

AND SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS TO COME UP WITH THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.

THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT PROCESS.

MY QUESTION HERE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO IS, IS THERE ANYTHING WRITTEN IN THE LANGUAGE OF YOUR RESOLUTION AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING IT UP HERE TO LOOK AT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES STAFF TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN THE EVENT THAT THE OWNERS DECIDE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO GET A REPORT BACK FROM STAFF.

SO THESE COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

SO IN ASKING STAFF TO GO DO THIS WORK, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL BEFORE, BEFORE WE COULD EVEN CONSIDER OR VOTE ON THE DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ATTACH THEMSELVES.

OKAY.

I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IF THE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE NOT WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WILL CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO REPORT BACK TO US ON THAT? UM,

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NOT SPECIFICALLY.

SO I GUESS IT WOULD BE HELPFUL SO THAT WE COULD CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS FOR, FOR MAKING SIXTH STREET HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED IF THAT'S THE ROUTE THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO.

UM, SURE.

I'LL THINK ABOUT, I'LL THINK ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, CURRENTLY IT IS, IT IS A NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO THERE IS, THERE IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO PUT UP A SIGN, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND GET CERTAIN, UM, CERTAIN PROVISIONS.

AND THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A HOST OF, OF HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT APPLY THAT STANDARDS THAT APPLY IN THAT AREA.

THE CONVERSATION NOW IS ABOUT WHETHER THOSE SHOULD BE ADAPTED BASED ON LAST WEEK'S.

I MEAN, THE COUNCIL VOTED TO SAY WHERE WE'RE WILLING TO INITIATE CHANGES TO THOSE, FOR THIS, FOR THIS REDEVELOPMENT, FOR THIS PROPERTY OWNER.

SO I GUESS IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT IN THERE SOMETHING THAT ASKS FOR A REPORT BACK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT STREAM REALTY, WHAT STREAM REALTY DISPOSITION IS TOWARD IT, SINCE THEY'RE A 61% PROPERTY OWNER NOW ALONG SIXTH STREET, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR OUR KNOWLEDGE.

AND I'LL GO DOWN TO THE COUNSEL OF A HOPPER MADISON, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT HER RESOLUTION LAST WEEK IN THE EVENT THAT HAPPENED MIGHT ALLOW THE SAME THING TO BE DONE BY JUST MAKING AMENDMENTS TO THE, UH, UH, THE COMBINING DISTRICT OVERLAY, UH, THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

THAT MIGHT BE IN AN ADDITIONAL ROUTE THAT MIGHT BE SET UP FOR WHAT WAS DONE LAST WEEK.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY, MIGHT BE AN ALTERNATIVE WAY, BUT REMEMBER HARPER, MADISON, DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY.

I DID.

I AM.

YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO FORGIVE ME.

UH, HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY IN THE ROOM CAN IDENTIFY WITH TOOTH PAIN.

IT'S, UH, MAYBE THE WORST FEELING EVER.

SO I'M GOING TO BE RELATIVELY QUIET TODAY, BUT I DO WANT TO PIPE IN AND JUST ASK, HOW WILL THIS RESOLUTION AFFECT THE PROGRESS OF THE ONE THAT WE INITIATED LAST WEEK IS MY ONLY QUESTION I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER TABLEAU'S RESOLUTION, AND MAYBE YOUR SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE TAKE THE NECESSARY STEPS MOVING FORWARD FOR PRESERVATION OF, YOU KNOW, A SPECIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, UH, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTIONS INCLUDE HOW DOES THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT COMPARE TO THE NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE? UM, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS, WHAT INFORMATION SHOULD WE BE SHARING WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHEN THEY ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? UM, WHAT DOES THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT IMPLY? UH, I ESPECIALLY, UM, WANT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO FOLKS IN MY DISTRICT FOR HOME.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MULTIPLE NATIONALLY REGISTERED AND ACKNOWLEDGED ASSETS, UM, AND DISTRICT ONE, BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I WON'T GO INTO THAT.

I WILL ASK.

SO IF WE COULD JUST FIND OUT WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION IN COMPARISON TO THE ONE WE PASSED LAST WEEK, UH, BY WAY OF TIMELINES WITH PROGRESS, AND THEN WHAT INFORMATION SHOULD WE BE SHARING WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS WHEN THEY ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT WOULD DO.

AND THEN LASTLY, UM, THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN IT IS A QUESTION.

UM, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT I TRY TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT SAYING, UM, AND THIS WAS SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND I CAN'T SAY THAT I DISAGREE WITH THEM.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CHANGED MULTIPLE, UH, THINGS THAT WE SAY, SO WE DON'T CALL IT.

UM, UH, WHAT, WHAT DID WE USED TO, BUT NOW I JUST REFERRED TO IT AS, UM, PUBLIC COMMUNICATE.

OH, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

SO WE CHANGED THAT WE WERE PHASING OUT THE USE OF THE WORD MASTER IN TERMS OF PLANNING AND OTHER THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, AS A BODY RECOGNIZING THAT.

UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE RECEIVING THE SAME FEEDBACK, BUT I'M RECEIVING FEEDBACK THAT WHEN WE USE EXPRESSIONS, LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CODE FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, AND I CAN'T SAY THAT I ENTIRELY DISAGREE.

SO I JUST LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE AS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER AS A BODY, IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO SAYING, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER OR THE PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER, I THINK FOR A LOT OF FOLKS THAT TRANSLATES INTO SOMETHING OFFENSIVE.

UM, BUT ALL THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED BEFORE.

AND I THINK THE FOURTH QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T GET THAT 51%, UH, OF THE, THE BUSINESSES, UM, THAT THIS WOULD AFFECT.

WHAT IF WE DON'T GET THAT 51% OF THEM THAT WANT THIS DESTINY NATION, IN WHICH CASE I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTARY FROM COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY.

I THINK IT'S SUMMED UP WHAT I'M WONDERING ALSO.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED CONVERSATION, BUT ON ITS FACE, I DON'T SEE, UM, I DON'T SEE WHY THIS WOULD BE, UH, IN CONFLICT WITH THE RESOLUTION WE BROUGHT FORWARD.

JERRY,

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DO YOU WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS? SURE.

CAN I ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT I THINK WAS DIRECTED TOWARD ME ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS IN CONFLICT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, HARPER, MADISON, I DON'T SEE IT AS IN CONFLICT, YOUR RESOLUTION SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR THE CREATION OF DESIGN STANDARDS THAT NOT TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT I, IF I SAID THAT, THEN THAT, WASN'T WHAT I MEANT TO ARTICULATE.

WHAT I WAS ASKING WAS HOW DOES IT WORK IN COMBINATION WITH WHAT IT IS THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINE FOR PROGRESS, NOT CONFLICT.

THAT, WASN'T WHAT I MEAN.

UM, I THINK, I THINK OF THE STAFF, IF WE CAN INITIATE IT THIS WEEK, I SEE IT AS IN SYNC IN TERMS OF TIMELINE.

THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY HOPE.

I THINK THE OTHER QUESTIONS ARE PROBABLY BETTER FIELDED BY, UM, DIRECTOR, BY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, REST OF HIM, BUT IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT IS IN SYNC IN TERMS OF, UM, FOCUS, I THINK IT, I THINK IT IS A MECHANISM FOR DOING WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED HERE IN TERMS OF DESIGN GUIDELINES, CUSTOMER.

RIGHT.

I AGREE.

I THINK THAT WE CAN DO BOTH OF THESE BECAUSE WE'RE BOTH TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE SAME GOAL.

WE CAN DO THEM SIDE BY SIDE AND I DON'T SEE ONE SLOWING DOWN THE OTHER.

OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON.

I HAVE A QUESTION AND I'M TRYING TO FORMULATE MY WORDS CORRECTLY, BUT IF THERE IS A BOTTOM UP APPROACH WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE STRUCTURES CAN INITIATE THIS PROCESS ON THEIR OWN, WHY WOULD WE AS A COUNCIL CREATE OUR OWN AND THEN GO ASK THEM TO LIKE, IT, I'VE NEVER DONE A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF THE OWNERS COULD DO THIS ON THEIR OWN, WHY ARE WE NOT LETTING THEM KNOW OF THAT OPPORTUNITY AND JUST ADVISING THEM THAT THEY CAN COME REQUEST IT? UM, I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT'S COME SUBURB THOUGH, IS THEY HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE IN THE RESOLUTION FROM LAST WEEK, DIRECTING US TO GO WORK ON, UM, NEW SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR SIXTH STREET.

UM, BUT ALSO, UM, CONSIDER DESIGN IN THAT, IN THAT PROCESS, UM, THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, THEIR HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND, UM, UM, HOW TO SET STANDARDS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OR IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE STRUCTURES.

UM, SO I THINK THAT BOTH OF THESE THINGS, THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP, FRANKLY, IN BETWEEN THESE TWO THINGS.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE COULD GO ABOUT IT FRANKLY, EITHER WAY OR BOTH.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE COULD, COULD BE AN APPLICATION FOR A LOCAL STORE DISTRICT THAT COULD COME FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS AGAIN, WOULD I TAKE THIS RESOLUTION TO DO IS NOT ACTUALLY CREATE THE DISTRICT BECAUSE AS, UH, AS HAS BEEN STATED THAT EXTRA REQUIRES CONSOLE APPROVAL, UM, AND IT DOES REQUIRE THE EQUITY ESSENCE OF THE PROPERTY OURS IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

SO I SEE THIS AS DIRECTION TO GO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO, UM, SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN LOCAL STRUCK DISTRICT AND EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT THAT MEANS.

SIDE-BY-SIDE TO THAT WE HAVE THE RESOLUTION TO POST PASS LAST WEEK THAT SAID, GO LOOK AT NEW SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR, UM, YOU SIXTH STREET AND CONSIDER DESIGN IN THAT.

SO I, I FRANKLY SEE THIS AS BEING, IT COULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH.

AND SO WHAT I SEE THIS AT THIS PAST IS GIVEN WHAT PASSED LAST WEEK.

THIS IS DIRECTION FOR US TO CONSIDER BOTH AND CONSIDER WHAT THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES ARE TO, UM, HAVING SOME, UM, TWO PROCESSES OR TWO THINGS HAPPEN SIDE BY SIDE.

OKAY.

SO IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THE ONE THAT WE PASSED LAST WEEK SEEMED MORE IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, GOING TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND FIGURING OUT WHAT DESIGN STANDARDS MIGHT WORK.

AND MAYBE THEY'RE THE SAME THING, AND THIS IS A MOOT POINT, BUT I WOULD JUST HATE FOR US TO END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE YOUR STAFF HAS PUT IN HOURS AND HOURS OF WORK.

AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T BUY INTO IT AND DON'T NECESSARILY WANT, THEY DON'T WANT TO GET OVER THAT 50 PLUS 1%.

AND I JUST, IN, IN THIS DAY AND AGE WOULD HATE FOR STAFF TO BE WORKING ON THINGS THAT JUST DON'T PAN OUT IN THE LONG RUN, BECAUSE I JUST KNOW EVERYBODY'S GOT A LOT ON THEIR PLATE RIGHT NOW, AND I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT.

WELL, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.

TRUST ME.

I DO.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF THIS WORK WOULD BE DONE EITHER WAY, GIVEN WHAT PASSED LAST WEEK.

SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD NOT RESULT IN A, UH, UM, UH, UH, DUPLICATION OF WORK IF YOU CAN'T REMEMBER HARPER MANAGEMENT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE THAT TRANSFER OVER.

YOU JUST BROUGHT ABOUT ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I'VE FORGOTTEN.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTARY.

I WAS ALSO WONDERING, UM, SO THIS WAS WHEN I WAS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT I WAS THINKING EARLIER.

WE HAVE SOME ASSETS IN DISTRICT ONE THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED THE DISTRICT AND, OR THE FACILITY HAS BEEN DESIGNATED HISTORIC, AND THAT OPERATED AS A BARRIER FOR FORWARD PROGRESS FOR SOME OF OUR OWNERS, PRIVATE OWNERS OF BUILDINGS THAT HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED HISTORIC AND WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN DISTRICT WITHIN NCCD.

I I'M RECOGNIZING THAT WE ARE MORE AND MORE HAVING TO SORT OF HELP CONSTITUENTS NAVIGATE THROUGH, UH, THE IMPLICATION OF THE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS.

AND THAT'S, THAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE,

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YOU KNOW, UM, HOW DO WHEN WE RECEIVE, BECAUSE INEVITABLY WE WILL RECEIVE, UH, QUESTIONS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE SIXTH STREET, UH, DISTRICT, IF IT DOES BECOME A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHAT ARE THE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS? UM, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER THAT TODAY, MR. RUSSELL, BUT I WAS JUST ADDING THAT TO MY LIST.

SO THAT MAKES FIVE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THERE'S ONE REALLY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.

I THINK HERE BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS WEEK AND WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, LAST WEEK'S CODE AMENDMENTS ARE SPECIFIC TO THE TWO BLOCKS THAT WOULD FURTHER THE REQUEST OF STREAM REALTY.

UM, THIS WOULD BE A MORE HOLISTIC.

THIS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THIS RESOLUTION MAY, OR YOU HAD LANGUAGE ABOUT LAST WEEK'S, UM, ABOUT ADDITIONAL SMALL AREA PLANNING OR PROCESS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR INITIATING THE COUNCIL HAS INITIATED CHANGES TO THOSE TWO BLOCKS.

I THINK THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES GOING TO BE FOR THAT DISTRICT MORE GENERALLY? AND SO THIS IS MAYBE WHAT IS HAPPENING AS PART OF LAST WEEK'S RESOLUTION IS NOT, IS NOT A PLANNING EFFORT FOR THE WHOLE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, IT ASKS FOR DESIGN GUIDELINES, BUT THOSE GUIDELINES REALLY NEED TO BE FOR THE WHOLE SIXTH STREET DISTRICT, NOT JUST THOSE TWO BLOCKS.

SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, I MEAN, IT WAS DESIGNED, THOSE WERE DESIGNED TO GET AWAY FROM THE KIND OF INVESTMENT THAT IT TOOK FROM THE CITY STAFF IN WORKING THROUGH INDIVIDUAL LANDLORD CASES.

AND SO I THINK THERE ARE, UM, ADVANTAGES TO IT.

I ALSO WANT TO GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE INITIATION BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S EXACTLY TRUE THAT THE COUNCIL CAN'T, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY TRUE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE COOPERATION, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER, MADISON, YOU JUST ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE INSTITUTING A SET OF REGULATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CUMBERSOME? THE PROPERTY OWNERS THEMSELVES ARE INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCT AND THE CONVERSATION AROUND THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THERE ARE SET DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE MODIFIED, AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE AN ACTIVE ROLE.

AND FRANKLY IT WOULD BE ALMOST CERTAINLY UNLIKELY TO PASS.

IF, IF THERE'S NOT STRONG, BUY-IN FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

I REMEMBER KELLY.

UM, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS NOW I'M WONDERING COUNCIL MEMBER TOVA HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ANY OF THEM AND TO WHAT EXTENT AND WHAT FEEDBACK HAVE YOU GOTTEN? SO THE MAJOR PROPERTY OWNER, AS I MENTIONED IS STREAM REALTY.

THEY OWN 61%.

AND, AND THAT, AND I HAVE TALKED WITH MR. SUTTLE, UM, ABOUT IT.

AND I ALSO REACHED OUT TO CAITLYN RYAN THOUGH.

SHE'S NOT LAST WEEK, BUT SHE'S NOT RESPONDED.

AND COULD YOU MAYBE SHARE WITH US SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU GOT SURE I'M GOING TO DO THIS CAREFULLY.

SO I'M GOING TO READ BACK THE TEXT THAT I GOT FROM YOU, MR. SUTTLE, LAST WEEK BEFORE I POSTED IT, WE'VE HAD SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS AND I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T USUALLY HAVE SPEAKERS AT HERE AT THE WORK SESSION, SO I WON'T INVITE THEM TO SPEAK, BUT THIS IS LAST FRIDAY BEFORE POSTED INITIAL REACTION IS IF IT CAN GO FAST AND DESIGN STANDARDS MAKE SENSE, IT MAY BE OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I MEAN, AFTER MY DISCUSSION, I'LL CHARACTERIZE MY DISCUSSION WITH MR. SUTTLE THIS MORNING.

I, IN MY CONVERSATIONS, I'LL GIVE YOU MY IMPRESSION IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH STREAM REALTY.

UM, I SENSED THAT THEY, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE VERY COMMITTED TO THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF SIXTH STREET AND SUPPORT, UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HAVE RESPECT FOR IT AND, AND DESIRE TO ENHANCE THAT'S.

THAT'S THE IMPRESSION I GOT FROM MY, FROM MY MEETINGS WITH THEM, THAT THEY DESIRE THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO REALLY ENHANCE THE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOT TO KIND OF PROMPT A MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT OF SIXTH STREET THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD RESULT IN, IN A LOSS OF HISTORIC, UM, STRUCTURES AND HISTORIC AND THAT HISTORIC LANDSCAPE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS I SEE THIS ACTION, I THINK IT'S VERY MUCH IN CONCERT WITH, WITH WHAT I UNDERSTOOD TO BE THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THAT AREA.

THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

BUT AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO CHOOSE MY WORDS CAREFULLY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CHARACTERIZE THEIR DISPOSITION ON IT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S HOW THOSE THINGS ALIGN.

HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH CONSTITUENTS AND GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM THEM IN THE AREA? YEAH, I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS OUT IN THE PUBLIC, UM, I CERTAINLY HAVE HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS AND OTHERS WHO ARE, UM, FRANKLY WONDERING, WONDERING HOW THE REDEVELOPED, THE PRETTY MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THOSE TWO BLOCKS COULD IMPACT THE REST OF IT AND WHETHER, WHETHER WE WILL NEXT SEE, UM, REQUESTS TO,

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YOU KNOW, DEMOLISH ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES, UM, UH, UP AND DOWN SIXTH STREET.

AND, AND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS DISPOSITION TOWARD THAT NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS YET, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE OUT THERE FROM MEMBERS OF THE PRESERVATION COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF OTHERS WHO, WHO WANT TO SUPPORT THIS REDEVELOPMENT, BUT DO WANT TO BE SURE THAT IT HAPPENS WITHIN A STRUCTURE THAT, THAT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THIS AREA IS A, IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NEEDS TO BE TREATED DIFFERENT, BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN, YOU KNOW, GREENFIELD.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANKS.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTIONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I THINK THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING CONVERSATION.

SO I JUST WOULD SAY ON, ON THURSDAY WHEN PEOPLE ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF, IF THERE'S ANY FOLKS THAT ARE IN FAVOR OR HAVE CONCERNS, JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE WAY THAT THIS IS BEING COUNCIL INITIATED WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE TYPICALLY IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, OH, OWNER INITIATED.

SO I WOULD JUST, SINCE IT'S MY FIRST TIME THROUGH THIS, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO HAVE THAT FOR ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN SPEAKING TO THAT.

AND MY HOPE IS WITH THE ITEM BEING POSTPONED, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

IT WILL BE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, W WHICH ITEM POSTS THEN MAYOR I DIDN'T INTEND TO POST AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

OKAY.

SORRY.

I WAS CONFUSED.

ALL RIGHT.

SO YEAH, AND I WOULD JUST SAY IN ANSWER TO MY COLLEAGUE COUNCIL MEMBER LS ONE, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE CODE BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN STRONG, IF NOT, UM, ACTUAL INITIATIONS, STRONG PROACTIVE ACTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL THAT HAVE RESULTED IN, IN, UM, LOCAL HISTORIC WORK HAPPENING.

I ALSO SEE THIS AS VERY DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS BECAUSE WHAT THE ACTION THE COUNCIL TOOK LAST WEEK WAS INITIATING, UM, CODE AMENDMENTS FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER.

AND SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT IS, UM, I THINK IT IS IN LINE AGAIN IN LINE WITH, WITH THE GENERAL PROCESS THAT'S BEEN SET IN PLACE HERE FOR THE COUNCIL TO TAKE AN ACTION.

ALL RIGHT, GUYS, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING MADISON, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, ONE LAST QUESTION.

I JUST HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER TOBO AND HER LAST COMMENTARY JUST BEFORE COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS HAS I USED THE WORD DEMOLITION.

AND SO WHILE WE'RE ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO SPECIFIC POINT ON THURSDAY, I'D LIKE VERY MUCH FOR SOMEBODY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF OUR USE OF THE WORD DEMOLITION.

I THINK WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THAT THEY HEAR US CLEAR AND OUT ALL THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ON SIXTH STREET.

SO I WANT TO BE VERY SPECIFIC AND EXPLICIT ABOUT OUR USE OF WORDS THAT SCARE PEOPLE.

UM, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEMOLITION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY THAT.

SO DOES THAT MEAN, UM, WE ARE DEMOLISHING A BUILDING THAT'S CONDEMNED, OR, YOU KNOW, CAN'T BE BUILT AROUND AND WE'RE PRESERVING THE FACADE AND WE'RE GONNA REINTRODUCE THAT TO NEW CONSTRUCTION.

DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT EXIST NOW AND BUILD ABOVE AND AROUND THEM AND PRESERVE THE HISTORIC BUILD? I'D LIKE FOR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE SPECIFIC IMPLICATIONS ABOUT OUR USE OF THE WORD DEMOLITION.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

AND MERRILL, JUST SAY THAT IS, UM, I MADE AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR RESOLUTION LAST WEEK THAT ASKS FOR THAT, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO JUST THAT VERY WORK AS THE CODE AMENDMENTS PROCEED.

UM, I'VE GOT A LIST OF PROPOSED DEMOLITIONS AND THAT'S THEIR LANGUAGE THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED TO ME IN TERMS OF ADDRESSES OF THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED DEMOLISHING.

AND SO, UM, THERE IS LIKELY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS WITH THEIR REDEVELOPMENT, BUT, BUT THAT IS IN ESSENCE WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED DOING.

AND AS WE LOOK AT THE REST OF THE STREET, UM, YES, I THINK, I THINK WE DO NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, WHEN AND HOW THOSE WOULD BE DEMOLITIONS WOULD BE, UM, CONSIDERED.

YEAH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WOULD JUST ADD TO YOUR LIST, ANY TAX IMPLICATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALREADY COVERED UNDER THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE WITH THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT ABOUT A TAX REVENUE, I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF NOW ALL OF THE, UH, POLE ITEMS PARANTHETICALLY, UM, COUNCILMEMBER, THIS WANTED ME TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THE REASON SHE'S NOT HERE, IT DOESN'T FEEL IT'S BECAUSE SHE HAS COVID.

UH, SO, UH, SHE WANTED ME TO ANNOUNCE THAT JUST BECAUSE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE OUT IN THE PUBLIC A LOT, UH, AND, AND, AND, AND SHE JUST WANTS EVERYBODY TO, TO, TO KNOW THAT