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ALL RIGHT.

UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

THEY NOW, CAN YOU CONFIRM, YOU CAN HEAR ME ALL RIGHT.

PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER IT IS TUESDAY, JUNE 21ST AT 6:07 PM.

UH, FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

UH, PLEASE TURN THE CAMERAS ON COMMISSIONERS.

UH, WE'LL GO STRAIGHT DOWN THE LIST.

MR. BLACKBURN IS HERE.

COMMISSIONER WHITE.

I'M HERE PRESENT MR. DAVIS.

HERE IS PRESENT IN THE ROOM.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AND GORY, MR. JOHNSON.

UH, MR. ROBBINS IS HERE IN THE ROOM.

MR. STONE PRESENT IS HERE IN THE ROOM, CHRIS, YOUR HARMON I'M HERE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BRENDA, MAN.

IT'S NOT HERE.

COMMISSIONER CHEVERIA IS NOT HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND AGAIN, UH, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

NATASHA, DO WE HAVE ANYONE? ALL RIGHT, SO NO CITIZEN COMMUNICATION TONIGHT.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO

[1. Approve minutes of the May 17, 2022 Meeting of the Resource Management Commission.]

ITEM NUMBER ONE, PROOF MINUTES OF THE MAY 17TH, 2022 MEETING OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION.

UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, UH, PREVIOUSLY BY NATASHA HEARING? NONE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM

[2. Austin Energy Green Building Presentation.]

NUMBER TWO, AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BUILDING PRESENTATION, AND I BELIEVE KURT IS HERE.

UM, SO I'LL JUST ASK YOU TO ADVANCE.

BEAUTIFUL, GOOD EVENING.

I'M CURTIS DOGVILLE I'M MANAGER FOR GREEN BUILDING AND SUSTAINABILITY FOR AUSTIN ENERGY.

I'M ALSO JOINED BY, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? THANK YOU.

LET ME START OVER AGAIN.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

I'M CURTIS DOGVILLE I'M MANAGER FOR GREEN BUILDING AND SUSTAINABILITY FOR AUSTIN ENERGY.

I'M ALSO JOINED BY HEIDI CASPER.

SHE'S OUR RESIDENTIAL MANAGER.

SHE'S HERE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.

AND I THINK I'M ALSO JOINED REMOTELY BY SARAH TALKINGTON, WHO WAS ON VACATION.

AND SARAH, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME PLEASE LEAVE AND GO ON VACATION.

OKAY.

THAT ABSOLUTELY ENJOY.

THANK YOU.

UH, SO HERE THIS EVENING, UH, THE RMC PASSED, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF A WORKING GROUP DEDICATED TO LOOKING INTO TOXIC MATERIALS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS BASED UPON TOXIC MATERIALS.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BRING FORWARD TO THE COLLECTIVE RMC, A SERIES OF POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

COULD YOU MUTE YOURSELF? CAN YOU PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? HEY, COMMISSIONER.

BRENNAMAN COULD YOU PUT YOURSELF ON MUTE NEXT? SO UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING

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AT CONSIDERING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COME FORWARD OUT OF THIS GROUP.

UH, WE NEED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER AND TO HELP YOU WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, INCLUDING INFORMATION ABOUT OUR RATINGS PROGRAM, UH, THINGS THAT INFLUENCE, UH, THE DECISIONS WE MAKE AND CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WEIGH AS WE MAKE PROGRAMMATIC DECISIONS, AS WELL AS SOME TIMELINE CONSIDERATIONS.

SO THIS SAME PRESENTATION THAT WAS BEING DELIVERED TONIGHT WAS DELIVERED TO THE WORKING GROUP AS THEIR KICKOFF, UH, TO START THAT OFF.

SO, UH, WITH THAT NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROGRAM DRIVERS FOR WHAT WE DO.

UH, WE'VE GOT THE AUSTIN RESOURCE PLAN GENERATION RESOURCE PLAN THAT DICTATES A LOT OF OUR DECISIONS FROM AN ENERGY PERSPECTIVE, UH, DRIVEN HEAVILY BY THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN.

UH, WE ALSO SHARED A ROLE IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE CLIENT OF AN EQUITY PLAN.

WE HAD TEAM MEMBERS THAT WERE, UH, TEAM LEADS ON THE SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS TEAM AND THE TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION TEAMS, BOTH IN CONCERT WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY, UH, PROJECT CONNECT, UH, WATER, UH, WATER FORWARD AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERIES, A ZERO WASTE MASTER PLAN ALL HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON WHAT WE DO OVERALL FROM A PROGRAMMATIC STANDPOINT.

NEXT SLIDE.

WE'RE ALSO MISSION DRIVEN.

UH, WE'VE GOT AUSTIN ENERGY'S GREEN BUILDINGS MISSION UP HERE.

UH, WHAT WE DO FROM A HEALTH PERSPECTIVE IS, IS A HEAVY DRIVER OF A LOT OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS FROM A PROGRAM PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT I HAVE LISTED HERE IS WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT TRADITIONALLY.

UH, THESE INDICATORS, OBESITY, CARDIOVASCULAR, CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE, DIABETES, MENTAL HEALTH, ALL OF THESE ISSUES WERE SPELLED OUT AS SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND HIGHLIGHTED THROUGH IMAGINE AUSTIN AND CONTINUE TO BE HIGHLIGHTED AND TRACKED BOTH BY TRAVIS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

SO HEALTHY BUILDINGS.

AND IN PARTICULAR, THESE INDUSTRIES ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN TRACKING.

UH, AS YOU LOOK AT TOXIC MATERIALS, THEY MAY NOT TOUCH QUITE AS MUCH ON SOME OF THESE AND MAY HAVE SOME OTHER DRIVERS FROM A HEALTH PERSPECTIVE.

SO WE'LL LOOK TO BROADEN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE LOOK TO CONSIDER MAKE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.

CLIMATE IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG DRIVER, NOT JUST CARBON, BUT THE FACT THAT WE LIVE IN A HOT HUMID CLIMATE HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON BUILDING DESIGN MOLD IS AN INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL AREA OF TOXICITY THAT WE LOOK TO AVOID.

UH, IT ALSO HAS SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FROM A VENTILATION PERSPECTIVE, AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, BUT HOW YOU HANDLE THE AIR THAT'S IN THE BUILDINGS ALSO IMPACTS THE OVERALL ULTIMATE TOXICITY AND EXPOSURE THAT YOU MAY HAVE FROM THOSE MATERIALS.

EQUITY IS A BIG DRIVER OF WHAT WE LOOK AT.

UH, TRADITIONALLY WE'VE LOOKED A LOT AT COSTS AND IN PARTICULAR UPFRONT COSTS A BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE BETTER MEASURES TO LOOK AT.

AND B BECAUSE THE UPFRONT COST WAS OF PARTICULAR INTEREST TO A LOT OF OUR VERY VESTED STAKEHOLDERS.

I THINK THAT WE'LL LOOK, BE ABLE TO LOOK MORE BROADLY AT DRIVERS AROUND EQUITY, AS THE CITY BEGINS TO BETTER DEVELOP THINGS.

THEY'VE ALREADY BEGUN TO DEVELOP THAT.

IN ADDITION, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THE CITY HAS ALREADY BEGUN TO LOOK AT SOCIAL COST OF CARBON.

SO THESE WILL BE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE CONSIDERING MOVING FORWARD.

BUILDING CODES OBVIOUSLY IMPACT WHAT WE DO, AND THEN JUST GENERICALLY TRENDS, BUILDING INDUSTRY TRENDS, SOCIAL TRENDS, REGULATORY TRENDS, ALL IMPACT THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE AND WEIGH IN ON THE PRIORITIES THAT WE DECIDE TO, TO EMPHASIZE WITHIN OUR RATINGS.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO I'D LIKE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE PURPOSE OF GOALS OF OUR RATINGS, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO ADVANCE THE COMMUNITY'S UNDERSTANDING AND APPLICATION OF SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES.

UH, THE BETTER EDUCATED OUR COMMUNITY IS PARTICULARLY OUR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY IS IN THESE SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES.

THE BETTER ABLE THEY ARE TO UNDERSTAND A, THE IMPACTS ON THEIR BUSINESS IN, IN IMPLEMENTING THEM AS WELL AS ULTIMATELY THE IMPACTS ON THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES AND THE TENANTS, ULTIMATELY THE TENANTS THAT LIVE IN THEM.

UH, WE ALSO LOOK AT OUR RATINGS TO POSITION NEW PRINCIPLES FOR CONSIDERATION AND CONCEPTS TO BE ADOPTED AS STANDARD PRACTICES, EITHER THROUGH BEST PRACTICES OR POTENTIALLY ULTIMATELY IT CODES.

SO WE REALLY LOOK AT OUR RATINGS AS KIND OF A, AN INTRODUCTORY

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OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO VET PROCESSES AND PRACTICES THAT ULTIMATELY ARE GOING TO BE SEEN IN CODE AND HELP US WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND CHALLENGES.

SO IF WE SEE CHALLENGES, WE CAN HELP THROUGH THE CODE ADOPTION OR CODE DESIGN PROCESS AND LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO HELP OFFSET POTENTIAL CHALLENGES THAT WE MAY HAVE ENCOUNTERED.

AS WE EXPLORED SOME OF THESE PRACTICES BEFORE THEY BECAME CODIFIED.

WE ALSO LOOK TO BE BALANCED IN WHAT WE OFFER AS A TOTAL OFFERING FOR OUR, THROUGH OUR RATINGS.

WE LOOK TO ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE SPECTRUM OF SUSTAINABILITY.

WE DON'T LOOK TO BE TOO HEAVY HANDED IN WHAT WE PRESCRIBE OR WHAT WE DIRECT FOLKS TO DO THROUGH THE RATINGS.

EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES.

EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT GOALS AROUND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE.

UH, WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOO HEAVY HANDED IN WHAT WE DO FROM A RATINGS PERSPECTIVE.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR RATINGS ARE NOT AS WELL AS WHAT THEY ARE.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN, UH, DESIRE EXPRESSED TO BE IMPACTFUL WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH TOXIC MATERIALS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TOO HEAVY HANDED.

THERE IS THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES.

IF WE ARE TOO HEAVY HANDED WITH OUR RATINGS PRODUCT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, DECREASES IN, IN, UH, PROGRAM PARTICIPATION.

WE COULD EVEN POTENTIALLY SEE LEGISLATIVE AND POLITICAL FALLOUT.

UH, SO WE HAVE BEEN VERY CAREFUL TO WORK PROACTIVELY WITH OUR PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS AND STAKEHOLDERS, TO BRING THEM ALONG, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND TO GET THEIR BUY-IN.

UH, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO ALIENATE OUR PARTICIPANTS.

SO, UH, IT, IT IS VERY MUCH A PARTNERSHIP AND A COLLABORATION PROCESS WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS NEXT GOAL, OR THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO SPECIFIC TO OUR RATINGS, WE'VE GOT THREE AREAS THAT WE LOOK TO ADDRESS.

UH, WE'VE GOT A RESIDENTIAL WHICH LOOKS AT, UH, CUSTOM AND, AND PRODUCTION HOMES.

UH, RESIDENTIAL ALSO TOUCHES ON MULTI-FAMILY THERE'S, UH, AN ERROR IN THIS SLIDE.

IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, BELOW EIGHT STORIES IS CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL FROM OUR, FOR OUR PROGRAMS. AND THEN FOR OUR COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION, OUR COMMERCIAL GROUP TOUCHES NOT ONLY ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, BUT ALSO ON HIGH-RISE RESIDENTIAL.

SO ANYTHING, EIGHT STORIES AND ABOVE IS CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL FOR US.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND ON OUR RATINGS AND HOW WE LOOK TO, TO WEIGHT THINGS.

UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, REALLY A VIEW OF OUR RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TONIGHT.

THERE ARE SOME SUBTLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OUR RESIDENTIAL AND OUR COMMERCIAL PROGRAM.

THIS WILL GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF BOTH, BUT THIS IS SPECIFIC JUST TO RESIDENTIAL THIS EVENING.

UH, SO WE'VE GOT A TIERED RATING SYSTEM, HIGHER LEVELS OF ACHIEVEMENT, MORE STARS, IT'S ONE TO FIVE STARS.

UH, SO FOR A ONE-STAR BUILDING, WE HAVE A SERIES OF BASIC REQUIREMENTS.

ONE OF THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS IS THEY HAVE TO MEET CODE.

WELL, THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, THINGS LIKE ENERGY CODE, SOME OF THE MECHANICAL CODE, THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FROM A SUSTAINABILITY PERSPECTIVE, WE MAKE SURE THEY GET LOOKED AT INTENTIONALLY THROUGH OUR REVIEW PROCESS.

SO IF WE FIND THINGS THAT AREN'T, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WITH CODE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THEM FORWARD.

SO BIG, BIG REQUIREMENT THERE.

UH, AS YOU MOVE UP TO TWO STARS, THEN YOU HAVE STILL HAVE TO MEET THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS FOR A ONE-STAR BUILDING, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, TWO-STAR BASIC REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A SERIES OF POINTS THAT YOU'RE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE, AND IT KIND OF BUILDS CUMULATIVELY.

THE HIGHER UP YOU GO FROM A STORAGE PERSPECTIVE, THE MORE REQUIREMENTS, AND THE MORE POINTS YOU NEED TO RECEIVE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO YOU'D ASK US WHERE WE WERE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT TOXIC MATERIALS IN THE RATINGS, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT TOXIC MATERIALS IN A NUMBER OF AREAS WITHIN THE RATINGS ALREADY.

UH, A LOT OF ATTENTION, AGAIN, TO THIS IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DOING FROM A VENTILATION PERSPECTIVE.

IF YOU HAVE BAD AIR AND YOU MOVE THAT BAD AIR OUT, YOU CERTAINLY ARE, ARE MITIGATING THE EXPOSURE, POTENTIAL, UH, EDUCATION, THE HOME MANUAL, REALLY TO THAT, THE BETTER WE CAN EDUCATE FOLKS AS TO WHAT'S GOING INTO THEIR HOMES OR WHAT IS LIKELY TO BE GOING INTO THEIR HOMES.

THEY CAN INFLUENCE THAT AND UNDERSTAND HOW TO IMPACT

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ANY NEGATIVE OR MITIGATE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS, UH, PVCS AND .

THESE ARE MATERIALS THAT WE SPECIFICALLY, UH, ADDRESS THROUGH POINTS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE AN INNOVATION INNOVATION CREDITS WHERE IF THEY BRING IN IDEAS THAT AREN'T SPECIFICALLY OUTLINED WITHIN OUR RATINGS, THEY CAN POTENTIALLY GET CREDIT FOR THOSE IDEAS.

AND CERTAINLY TOXIC MATERIALS WILL CALL A FIRE FOR THAT NEXT SLIDE.

SO THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE A LISTING OF THE CATEGORIES OF SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES AND POINTS THAT THEY, THAT OUR PARTICIPANTS CAN GET IN THEIR RATINGS.

YOU GO OVER TO THE NEXT COLUMN, YOU'VE GOT SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE POTENTIAL POINTS, RANGE OF POINTS THAT THEY CAN GET TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN ON THE FAR RIGHT, I'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT MAY BE RELEVANT TO TOXIC BUILDING MATERIALS THEMSELVES.

AND THEN I'VE GOT DOWN HERE IN THE BOTTOM, RIGHT, AGAIN, JUST FOR REFERENCE AN IDEA OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STARS REQUIRED FOR THE DIFFERENT RATINGS LEVELS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST PAGE, THERE'S NOT A LOT THERE, UH, SPECIFIC TO TOXIC MATERIALS SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEY DO GET POTENTIALLY CREDIT FOR EXPANDED HOMEOWNER EDUCATION.

UH, THERE IT'S A LIST OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE INCLUDED, UH, ANY, ANY KIND OF PESTICIDE TREATMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE GIVEN.

THOSE ARE DISCLOSED THERE.

NEXT SLIDE.

AS WE MOVE TO THE SECOND GROUP, THOUGH, YOU GOT A LOT MORE POTENTIAL AREAS WHERE TOXIC MATERIALS COULD BE ADDRESSED.

IF YOU MOVED DOWN TO MATERIALS AND RESOURCES, THE SECOND ONE SPEAKS TO DURABLE FINISHED FLOORS THAT CAN GET TWO TO FOUR POINTS FOR NO VINYL FLOORING OR VINYL COMPOSITE TILES.

IF YOU LOOK AT PEST CONTROL, UH, IT SPEAKS TO A BORE EIGHT TREATMENT OR A TERMITE BARRIERS.

THESE ARE LOWER IMPACT MITIGATION STRATEGIES FOR, FOR, FOR PEST CONTROL ON THE PVCS AND ALLIED SIDE SIDE OF THINGS YOU CAN GET FROM ONE TO FIVE POINTS THAT INCLUDES PVC FREE WIRING, UH, SUPPLY SIDE PVC BEING, OR A SUPPLY SIDE, UH, WATER BEING PVC FREE.

UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT SUPPLY SIDE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WATER YOU'RE GOING TO BE DRINKING.

UH, ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, UH, WINDOWS AND, AND, UH, AND FLOORS THERE.

UH, IF YOU GO DOWN TO IMPROVED AIR QUALITY, WE SPEAK AGAIN A LOT TO VENTILATION AC FILTRATION, UH, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT INNOVATION POINTS.

IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THIS COLLECTIVELY, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR UP TO 36 POINTS THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, UH, IN THE AREAS OF, OF SPECIFIC TO TOXIC MATERIALS THAT ARE IN OUR CURRENT RATINGS.

SO WE DO PAY SPECIFIC AND SIGNIFICANT ATTENTION TO TOXIC MATERIALS IN OUR CURRENT RATINGS.

BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

WE ALSO PROVIDE CREDIT FOR OTHER RATINGS AND OTHER CERTIFICATIONS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN AN AGB, UH, IN PARTICULAR LEAD AND WELL, OR A COUPLE OF THEM.

WE LOOK AT NEXT SLIDE, MEANING THAT IF A LEADER, WELL, SPELT SPELLS OUT CREDIT FOR TOXIC MATERIALS, YOU CAN APPLY AND GET CREDIT FOR THEM WITHIN OUR RATINGS AS WELL.

IF YOU LOOK AT TRENDS RELATED TO RATINGS ADMINISTRATION, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT WHERE OUR PROGRAM WAS WHEN IT WAS INITIATED BACK IN 19 92 93, UH, THERE WAS A LOT MORE ART THAN SCIENCE APPLIED TO GREEN BUILDING AND SUSTAINABILITY BACK IN 1992, THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT MIGRATION TO A MUCH MORE HIGHLY TECHNICAL SCIENTIFIC BASE DATA-BASED APPROACH, ANALYTICAL APPROACH TO SUSTAINABILITY, AND AS SUCH, OUR STAFFING NEEDS HAVE CHANGED.

AND WE HAVE A LOT HIGHER DEGREE OF TECHNICAL APTITUDE ON OUR STAFF THAN WE DID.

UH, BACK IN 1992, WE ALSO LOOK TO ADDRESS WHAT'S TIMELY IN OUR RATINGS.

UH, EQUITY FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF A LOT OF WHAT WE DO.

UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS WE COME FORWARD WITH FUTURE RATINGS UPDATES, WE'LL AGAIN, LOOK TO ADDRESS WHAT'S TIMELY.

YOU CANNOT ADDRESS EVERYTHING SUSTAINABILITY COMPREHENSIVELY IN YOUR RATINGS, OR YOU'RE GOING TO GET DILUTION SUCH THAT YOU REALLY DON'T IMPACT ANYTHING SIGNIFICANTLY.

WE REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO VERIFY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS EFFECTIVE.

UH, AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS LESS EFFECTIVE THAN WE ANTICIPATED, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE IMPACTS IS THE IDEA OF GETTING OUT OF PAINTS.

WELL, WE WERE ABLE TO GET VOC,

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FREE PAINT OPTIONS.

WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THE ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE COME OUT ARE BETTER OR WORSE.

WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.

WE JUST KNOW THAT THEY DON'T SPECIFICALLY HAVE VOC.

IF YOU'VE GOT A MEASURE THAT YOU'VE IMPLEMENTED, THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T VERIFY ITS EFFICACY, IT'S HARD TO SUPPORT FROM A SUSTAINABILITY PERSPECTIVE.

SO WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MEASURE AND VERIFY THE MEASURES THAT WE'RE TAKING HAVE AN IMPACT, HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT.

WE WANT TO GET AWAY FROM BEING OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE.

THE IDEA OF MASSIVE CHECKLISTS OF THINGS.

UH, THERE ARE 80,000 SOMETHING TOXIC MATERIALS OR 80,000 SOME CHEMICALS OUT THERE, UH, TO, TO TRY AND TRACK.

IT GETS TO BE A PRETTY LABORIOUS CHECKLIST.

SO, AND, AND IT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE OVERALL ADMINISTRATIVE LOAD.

WE, WE LOOK TO REDUCE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH OUR, WITH OUR RATINGS.

WE USE PREEXISTING CERTIFICATIONS WHERE WE CAN, IF YOU LOOK OVER TO THE RIGHT, YOU'VE GOT UL'S GREENGUARD CERTIFICATION, IT'S A, A TOXIC MATERIALS CERTIFICATION THAT UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES HAS.

UH, AND BACK AGAIN TO THIS IDEA OF, OF STREAMLINED ADMINISTRATION.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS.

UH, THESE PROGRAMS DO NOT COME WITHOUT A COST TO OUR PARTICIPANTS TO ADMINISTER OR FOR US TO ADMINISTER.

AND ONE OF THE COSTS IS BANDWIDTH.

IF WE SPEND TIME ADMINISTERING THINGS THROUGH OUR, OUR RATINGS PROGRAM, THAT IS TIME THAT WE CAN NOT SPEND PUSHING THE ENVELOPE IN OTHER AREAS, MOVING THINGS FORWARD.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS SLIDE SPEAKS AGAIN TO THIS BANDWIDTH ISSUE, UH, IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPH ON THE LEFT, IT SPEAKS TO WORKLOAD THAT WE HAD IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, FROM A CONSTRUCTION PERSPECTIVE, AUSTIN ENERGY, GREEN BUILDINGS, RATINGS, PROJECT LOAD, AND WORKLOAD IS ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY DRIVEN BY NEW CONSTRUCTION IN AUSTIN.

IN 2015, WHEN I BECAME MANAGER OF THIS PROGRAM, WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 15 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OUR RATINGS PIPELINE BEING ACTIVELY MANAGED BY STAFF BY 2022.

TODAY WE'RE UP TO 35 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF SPACE ACTIVELY BEING MANAGED WITHIN OUR PROJECT PIPELINE.

SO MORE THAN DOUBLE THE PROJECT LOAD THERE.

IN ADDITION, THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS ARE MORE COMPLEX THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN.

WE ALSO HAVE A RAPID RAPID RATE OF RETURN AS THE INDUSTRY HAS GOTTEN BETTER AT PUTTING UP BUILDINGS AND GETTING THEIR CAPITAL WORKING AND ACTUALLY WORKING FOR THEM ACTIVELY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT, IT SPEAKS TO THE STAFFING LEVELS THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT.

AND I POINT THIS OUT, NOT AS AN ASK FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

OUR STAFFING NEEDS ARE DRIVEN THROUGH OUR BUDGET PROCESS AND ARE LOOKED AT HOLISTICALLY ACROSS THE ENTERPRISE.

I WORK WITH MY BOSS THROUGH ALL OF CUSTOMER ENERGY SOLUTIONS TO IDENTIFY APPROPRIATE STAFFING LEVELS.

THIS IS VERY MUCH THOUGH, TO, TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THAT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE WILL CAUSE US TO LOOK AT PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE, AND POTENTIALLY HAVE TO, TO JUGGLE THOSE, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD.

WE DO NOT HAVE SLACK WITHIN OUR WORK GROUP TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL WORK.

SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING TO DROP OFF THE TABLE TO THAT END.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

JUST WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE SPENT SUBSTANTIAL TIME LOOKING AT TRYING TO WEED OUT THIS ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN AND WORKLOAD.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, UH, AS MUCH SLACK OUT OF THAT AS WE THINK WE CAN, UH, WE'VE SUSPENDED OUR INTEGRATED MODELING PROGRAM AND MOVE SOME RESOURCES OVER TO HELP SUPPORT THAT.

UH, WE'VE CUT OUR EDUCATIONAL SEMINARS DOWN FROM 12 PER YEAR TO SIX PER YEAR, UH, DELAYED SOME PROGRESS ON SOME, SOME NEW WORK THAT WE HAVE NEW PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST UNDERSTAND THAT AS YOU COME FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY DO COME AT A COST AND, AND W WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TELL YOU WHAT THOSE TRADE OFFS MAY BE, BUT, BUT, BUT THEY WILL COME AT A COST.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SPEAK TO STAFF EXPERIENCE, UH, AS YOU COME UP WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKING US WHAT THE IMPACT IS.

AND WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT STAFF EXPERIENCE.

WE HAVE NEARLY 300 YEARS OF RELEVANT STAFF EXPERIENCE ON HAND, UH, SPEAKING TO THE TECHNICAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN NATURE OF OUR WORK.

NOW WE HAVE SIX TEXAS STATE OF TEXAS LICENSED PES, AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ENGINEERING DISCIPLINES ON STAFF.

WE HAVE THREE REGISTERED ARCHITECTS.

WE HAVE A

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WHOLE SLEW OF LEEDY AND WELL ACCREDITED PROFESSIONALS ON OUR WORK GROUP.

WE EVEN HAVE A MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCILS CONSENSUS COMMITTEE.

SO SHE'S WORKING ON DEVELOPMENT OF THE RESIDENTIAL ENERGY CODE AT, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

WE HAVE GREAT EXPERTISE TO BRING TO BEAR AND GREAT INFORMATION TO BRING YOU, ASK US, WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE THINK, AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK ON THAT NEXT SLIDE.

AND I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT SOME OF THE INNOVATIVE WORK WE HAVE UNDERWAY, AND WE REALLY ARE STILL PUSHING THE NEEDLE.

AND SOME OF THIS IS, UH, A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE ON OUR PART.

WE HAVE NOT COME TO YOU RECENTLY AND TOLD YOU WHAT WE'RE UP TO.

AND THAT'S A FAILURE ON MY PART.

UH, I THINK ALSO SOME OF THAT AS A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC AND NONE OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WERE OPERATING AT THE SAME LEVEL WITH ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAD, UH, WE WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD MORE INFORMATION ON THESE IN THE COMING MONTHS, BUT JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA OF CARBON, CARBON MITIGATION, YOU REALLY HAVE THREE ELEMENTS OF CARBON THAT REALLY MOVED THE NEEDLE.

YOU'VE GOT ELECTRICITY GENERATION, YOU'VE GOT TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A THIRD, WHICH IS EMBODIED CARBON AND EMBODIED CARBON IS THE CARBON THAT GOES INTO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING, BOTH IN DEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, MINING PROCESSING OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS THEMSELVES, AS WELL AS THE PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING.

TWO OUT OF THOSE THREE AREAS IN THAT PUZZLE OR THAT PIE ARE ALREADY BEING ADDRESSED, UH, THROUGH OTHER CITY PLANS, THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN, OTHER SUSTAINABILITY PRINCIPLES EMBODIED CARBON HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT BEEN TACKLED YET BY THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMUNITY.

IT'S REALLY KIND OF THE NEXT FRONTIER FROM A CARBON PERSPECTIVE.

THIS IS REALLY WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING SPECIFIC TO THAT.

WE HIRED AN INTERN TWO YEARS AGO THAT HAD A VERY STRONG CONCRETE BACKGROUND AS AN ENGINEER.

AND WE HAD HIM DO SOME BASELINE WORK, LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A LOW CARBON STANDARD FOR LOCAL CONCRETE MANUFACTURERS.

HE HAS SINCE APPLIED TO BE A GRAD STUDENT AND IS GETTING HIS MASTER'S DEGREE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO.

AND HE'S WORKING UNDER DR.

WEIL SHREW BARR WHO RUNS THE LIVING MATERIALS LAB AT COLORADO UNIVERSITY.

SO HE'S A, A LEADING MATERIAL SCIENCE EXPERT.

WE ARE FUNDING HIS, UH, PARTICIPATION IN, UH, THAT PROGRAM.

AND THEN AS A RESULT, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY GETTING IN HIS INPUT, HIS OUTPUT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS IN DEVELOPING THIS LOW CARBON STANDARD.

WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IS BREAK DOWN DIFFERENT BUILDING MATERIALS BY SEGMENT, LOOKING AT THE HIGHEST CARBON IMPACT SEGMENTS FIRST.

SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH CONCRETE.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT STEEL MOVE FROM THERE AND CONTINUE TO ADDRESS SYSTEMATICALLY THE, THE EMBODIED CARBON ELEMENTS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, LOOKING TO REDUCE AND DOCUMENT THE LEVELS OF CARBON IN EMBODIED CARBON FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR AUSTIN.

NEXT ONE, I'VE GOT SPEAKS TO GRID OPTIMAL, UH, U S GBC AND LEAD HAD A RATING FOR ELECTRIC UTILITIES FOR SUSTAINABILITY, BUT IT REALLY IGNORED THE ROLE THAT THE BUILDING AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT PLAYS IN GRID IMPACTS.

AND WE WENT TO THEM AND SAID, HEY, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE A HOLISTIC APPROACH WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT MEASURES TO DETERMINE LOOKING AT BOTH THE INCUMBENT UTILITY STRUCTURE AND THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, AND THE BUILDINGS ABILITY TO INTERACT WITH THE GRID TO RATE THAT BUILDING FOR GRID FRIENDLINESS.

WE WENT OUT AND WE GOT A GRANT $50,000 GRANT FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC POWER ASSOCIATION THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED THEIR, THEIR DEED PROGRAM.

UH, IT'S AN R AND D UH, PROGRAM THROUGH APA AND GOT A PART-TIME RESOURCE DEDICATED TO THE NEW BUILDINGS INSTITUTE, WHICH IS PART OF U S GBC.

AND THEY DEVELOPED A NEW STANDARD, A NEW RATING STANDARD FOR GRID FRIENDLINESS.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THAT.

AND WE WERE PART OF, OF THE WORK GROUP THAT ESTABLISHED THAT NEW RATING ON THE EQUITY FRONT CONTINUE TO DO A TON OF WORK THERE.

WE'VE WORKED VERY ACTIVELY WITH THE NAACP, WORKED WITH US GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL AND LEAD, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS THERE AS WELL.

AND ON THE TOXIC BUILDING MATERIALS FRONT, WE ALSO HAVE SOME EFFORTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE.

SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE MONEY IN THE 23 BUDGET.

SO THE COMING BUDGET, WHICH THIS GROUP ACTIVELY APPROVED, LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A TOOL

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TO ALLOW A PROJECT TEAM, TO EVALUATE THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF THEIR MATERIALS DECISIONS, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR DECISIONS IMPACT THE, THE HEALTH OF THE BUILDING IN THE BUILD ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S REALLY HARD GETTING BACK TO THIS IDEA THAT YOU'VE GOT 87,000 CHEMICALS OUT THERE TO TRY AND LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE BAD FOR YOU, HOW THEY'RE BAD FOR YOU, BUT HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THOSE? YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GREAT INFORMATION OUT THERE.

IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE PIECES INDEPENDENTLY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A CALCULATOR, WHICH WILL ALLOW A BUILDING DESIGN TEAM TO UNDERSTAND THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF THEIR MATERIALS DECISIONS SO THAT THEY CAN WEIGH THE COSTS AND BENEFITS AND OPTIMIZE THEIR DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE BASED OFF OF THIS INFORMATION.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO WE HAVE SOME OTHER AREAS THAT INFLUENCE WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE CAN DO THINGS, PARTICULARLY FROM A RATINGS PERSPECTIVE, UH, SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT BUILDING CODES.

THAT'S A BIG DRIVER FOR WHAT WE DO.

UH, SO INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL IS THE GROUP THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR D FOR DEVELOPING, UH, THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES.

THEY COME OUT WITH NEW CODES EVERY THREE YEARS.

IT'S A CONSISTENT CYCLE.

UH, THEY PASS LAST CODES IN 21.

THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS SINCE ADOPTED THOSE CODES.

SO THE 21 CODES BECAME EFFECTIVE IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, THEY'RE BASICALLY ON A CONSTANT ITERATIVE CYCLE.

I'VE HEARD THAT WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, UH, YELLOW GATE BRIDGE OR THE BRIDGE OVER, UH, SAN FRANCISCO, THAT THEY CONTINUE TO PAINT IT.

AND THAT TEAM JUST TURNS AROUND WHEN THEY FINISH IT.

AND THEY TURNED BACK AROUND AND STARTED ALL OVER AGAIN, SAME THING WITH THE CODES.

UH, ONCE THEY DEVELOP A NEW SET OF CODES, THEY IMMEDIATELY START DEVELOPING THE NEXT SET OF CODES.

SO THEY'RE WORKING CURRENTLY ON WHAT THE 24 CODES LOOK LIKE.

THE CITY ADOPTS THESE NEW CODES, WHENEVER THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT THEY FEEL NEED TO BE ADOPTED.

BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THEY NOW LOOK TO ADOPT CODES, AT LEAST EVERY TWO CODE CYCLES.

SO EVERY SIX YEARS, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK TO ADOPT NEW CODES.

A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, INSURANCE RATES ARE AFFECTED NEGATIVELY IF THE CITY ISN'T UP-TO-DATE WITH THEIR CODES, UH, WE EXPECT TO KNOW THE BULK OF RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THE 24 CODES WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FEEL WITH WHERE WE ARE IN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

THERE'S A LITTLE MORE UNCERTAINTY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

SO AS SUCH, THAT IMPACTS WHAT WE DO FROM A RATINGS UPDATE PERSPECTIVE.

WE LOOK TO COINCIDE OUR RATINGS UPDATES WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE NEW CODE CYCLE AND BE AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THE NEW CODES COMING FORWARD.

UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE LOOK TO MOVE CODE AND PROMOTE NEW CODES WITH OUR RATINGS.

SO WE LOOK FOR GENERALLY A RATINGS UPDATE CYCLE OF EVERY THREE YEARS, WE TRY TO MINIMIZE MID CYCLE CHANGES.

UH, SO IF, IF WE GET RECOMMENDATIONS, DID THAT INCLUDE RATINGS UPDATES AS PART OF THESE, OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME FORWARD? WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THOSE TO SYNC UP WITH OUR RATINGS UPDATES.

UH, IT'S REALLY HARD TO COME UP WITH A VERSION 2.1 AND THEN TO ADMINISTER WHAT PROJECT CAME IN UNDER VERSION 2.0 VERSUS 2.1.

AND IT'S ALSO HARD FOR OUR, OUR PARTICIPANTS TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT.

SO WE REALLY TRY TO MINIMIZE THE MIDSTREAM CHANGES THAT WE DO TO OUR RATINGS.

WE'RE CURRENTLY UPDATING THE COMMERCIAL RATINGS, UH, EXPECT TO HAVE THAT DONE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

WE'RE LOOKING AGAIN, THE RESIDENTIAL RATING UPDATE CYCLE IS LAGGING BACK A LITTLE BIT.

UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO INITIATE THE RESIDENTIAL RATING TO UPDATE PROCESS THIS FALL AND LOOK TO HAVE IT EFFECTIVE SOMETIME NEXT CALENDAR YEAR.

SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF KIND OF THE WINDOW OF IF YOU MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT INVOLVE RATINGS, UH, INVOLVEMENT WITH THAT.

THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE TIMEFRAME YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THINGS TO BECOME EFFECTIVE.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO YOU, YOU CREATED THE WORKING GROUP, UH, THE NAMES OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE PARTICIPANTS WAS ARTICULATED DURING THE MEETING WHERE YOU, YOU DEVELOP THE WORK GROUP.

THERE WAS SOME TO BE DETERMINED WORK AS FAR AS OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN NETWORK GROUP.

UH, SO WE'VE GOT THE THREE COMMISSIONERS LISTED HERE.

WE ALSO HAD GAIL VITTORI, UH, WITH CENTER FOR MAXIMUM POTENTIAL BUILDING SYSTEMS AND GAIL BORST THAT WERE PARTICIPANTS IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU HAD HERE ON THE DIOCESE, UH, THEIR PARTICIPANTS.

WE'VE ALSO ADDED RAY TAAN JESS.

HE IS A GREEN HOME BUILDER HERE IN AUSTIN, HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN, IN WORKING WITHIN OUR RATING SYSTEM.

WE'VE GOT MEGAN MATTHEWS, SHE'S THE DIRECTOR OF DESIGN FOR FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES.

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SHE CAN BRING BOTH A MULTIFAMILY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS AN AFFORDABLE PERSPECTIVE AND AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE TO REVIEW OF, OF THIS WORK AND PARTICIPATION IN THIS WORK.

UH, AS WELL AS TREY FARMER, HE'S A LOCAL ARCHITECT.

IT'S VERY VESTED IN THE TOXIC MATERIALS DISCUSSION.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS ADVISORY GROUP, ARE THESE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, NOT JUST TO SUPPORT THE WORK OF THE WORKING GROUP, BUT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE BROADER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OUT OF THE COMMISSION.

SO YOU AS COMMISSIONERS WILL BE ABLE TO CALL ON THEM AND ASK FOR THEIR FEEDBACK.

YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WERE MADE? HOW DOES THIS POTENTIALLY IMPACT US? BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO REFLECT A BROADER VOICE IN, IN THESE CONSIDERATIONS, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT AUSTIN ENERGY STAFF IS NOT LISTED ON HERE.

WE ARE FACILITATORS IN THIS PROCESS.

WE CAN NOT BY, BY A COVENANT AS, AS THE, THE BYLAWS ARE WRITTEN, BE ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS, AS FAR AS THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A CONSENSUS THAT COMES OUT OF THIS WORKING GROUP THAT SAYS, WE AGB ARE FULLY ON BOARD WITH THIS.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S GOING TO STAND ON THIS LOAN FROM ON ITS OWN.

FROM THIS WORKING GROUP, WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO WORK WITH THE, WITH THE GROUP TO PROVIDE INPUT IS WHAT DO WE AGREE WITH AND WHAT WE DON'T ANY KIND OF CONSENSUS THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE AGREED TO WOULD BE WITH THE BROADER COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION AS A WHOLE BEING ACTING AS A, AS A WHOLE BODY TO THAT END AS WELL.

UH, I'M REPORTING ON STATUS OF THAT WORKING GROUP TONIGHT AS A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE BECAUSE I'M HERE, BUT YOU WILL EXPECT TO GET UPDATES ON THE COMMITTEE STATUS FROM YOUR COMMISSIONER PARTICIPANTS MOVING FORWARD AS PART OF THIS AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO PROPOSED SCHEDULE MOVING FORWARD, WHAT IT IS THIS WORKING GROUP REALLY PLANS TO DO, UH, HAD THE FIRST MEETING MAY 24TH, UH, REVIEWED THIS VERY SAME PRESENTATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN HERE THIS EVENING.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WORK GROUP COMPOSITION YOU'VE SINCE SEEN THAT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY SOLID ON THAT.

ALTHOUGH THAT MAY CHANGE SOME AS, AS NEEDS CHANGE MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO DO A LEVEL SETTING ON THE FUNDAMENTALS OF TOXIC BUILDING MATERIALS.

UH, WE'VE GOT ONE MEETING DEDICATED TO THAT WE REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND OR GET EVERYBODY ON A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOPICS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

WE NEED TO DO AN ECOSYSTEM OVERVIEW.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST TWO MEETINGS.

WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND ALL THEIR PARTICIPANTS THAT ARE LOOKING AT TOXIC BUILDING MATERIALS.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT LEAD AND WELL W THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN, A NUMBER OF OTHERS, UL, THERE'S OTHER RATINGS THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS, THERE ARE OTHER, ALSO OTHER WORK GROUPS.

UH, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND COMPREHENSIVELY WHAT WORK IS BEING DONE OUT THERE.

WHAT WE CAN PULL UPON, PULL FROM WHAT WE CAN ACTIVELY APPLY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND ALSO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE HOLES ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE IT IS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

ALSO WANT THIS GROUP TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WHAT LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT POSITION YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE WITH REGARDS TO TOXIC BUILDING MATERIALS, MOVING FORWARD, UH, AGAIN, UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS AND THE DRIVERS, AND AS RECOMMENDATIONS BEGIN TO BE, UH, DEVELOPED, UH, UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, GET INPUT FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND YOUR KEY STAKEHOLDER SEGMENTS, TO BE ABLE TO BOUNCE THESE IDEAS OFF OF THEM INFORMALLY BEFORE YOU MAKE FORMALIZED RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN HAVE A MEETING TO DEVELOP THE FORMALIZED RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND I THINK WITH THAT, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU GOT.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

UH, COMMISSIONER HAS ANY QUESTIONS? UM, COMMISSIONER WHITE.

YEAH, THANKS.

UM, I, I DID, I HAD A COMMENT, UM, I GUESS FIRST AND, AND I GUESS SORT OF A QUESTION, UM, THE COMMENT BEING THAT, UM, NOR A RESOLUTION DID, UH, SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT CONSIDERING THE, UM, LIFECYCLE IMPACTS OF MATERIALS.

AND, UH, SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS, UH, REMAINING, YOU KNOW, AS A, A PIECE OF WHAT IS BEING CONSIDERED.

UM, AND, AND I GUESS QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THAT PART OF WHAT, WHAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, FALLING UNDER THE WORK OF, OF THIS GROUP GOING FORWARD THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE, UH, A CONSIDERATION, UH,

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OBVIOUSLY HOW LONG THESE MATERIALS ARE PRESENT AND WHAT THEIR IMPACTS ARE CUMULATIVELY IS, IS A SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT OF, OF DEVELOPING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO IT WILL ABSOLUTELY BE A PART OF WHAT'S GOING DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED.

GREAT.

GREAT.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

CAUSE YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MENTIONED EQUITY AS A PRINCIPAL A FEW TIMES, AND THAT'S GREAT.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FOR A BINDER THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK DOES REQUIRE LOOKING OUTSIDE THE WALLS OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE OF COURSE, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, ESPECIALLY IN THIS STATE, UM, BUT IN GENERAL ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, MOST IMPACTED BY THAT MANUFACTURING AND A LOT OF THE, THE MORE TOXIC MATERIALS THAT WE, THAT WE USE IN BUILDINGS AND ELSEWHERE.

SO JUST, YEAH, THANK YOU.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WASN'T GETTING LOST.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE A VIEW INTO THE VERY FIRST THING THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED BY THIS GROUP, UH, OUR HOMEWORK GOING FORWARD WAS TO LOOK AT A SERIES OF VIDEOS BY DR.

ARLENE BLOOM OUT OF BERKELEY.

UH, SHE'S GOT A SERIES OF VIDEOS CALLED SIX CLASSES WHERE SHE BREAKS DOWN, UH, CHEMICALS INTO SIX BASIC CLASSES, UH, AS A WAY TO BETTER GET A GRASP ON IT.

AND SHE SPEAKS EXTENSIVELY ABOUT LIFE CYCLE IMPACTS AND IMPACTS ACROSS THE GLOBE THAT ARE EXPERIENCED FROM THIS.

IF YOU GO TO AND LOOK UP ARLENE BLOOM, BLOOM SIX CLASSES, THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, SEVEN VIDEOS, THERE'S AN INTRO.

AND THEN THE SIX CLASSES IT TAKES ABOUT 30 MINUTES TO VIEW ALL OF THEM.

THAT'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD PRIMER INTO THE FIRST THING THAT THIS, THIS WORK GROUP IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERING TOMORROW.

THAT'S AWESOME.

UM, ACTUALLY I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT LINK.

UM, IT'S COULD YOU SEND THAT AROUND TO THE CONVENTION? I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US IF IT ONLY TAKES 30 MINUTES, PROBABLY A BUNCH OF US CAN TAKE THE TIME TO EDUCATE OURSELVES A LITTLE MORE.

YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO.

THANKS.

UH, THANKS.

AND I GUESS THAT SORT OF ADDRESSES MY QUESTION, UM, WHICH WAS, I, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.

UM, AND I SEE THAT YOU'VE ADDED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE INDICATED INTEREST IN JOINING, UH, THE WORKING GROUP.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

UM, I DON'T SEE ANY HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND I, AND I WILL SAY I DID REACH OUT TO PHYSICIANS FOR, UH, PHYSICIANS FOR RESPONSIBILITY IN THE HOPE THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY AND THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT HAD CAPACITY.

UM, BUT SO I DON'T SEE ANYBODY THAT KIND OF CHECKS THAT BOX THERE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ARE GETTING SOME CONTENT, UM, FROM SOMEBODY WITH THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND, BUT JUST WONDERING, HAS ANYBODY BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT, UM, CAN PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL CONSULTING FOR THE US, FOR THIS WORK, FROM THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MEDICAL STANDPOINT? WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED THEM SPECIFICALLY YET.

UH, EITHER WE, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHO WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK TO FROM A CONTENT PERSPECTIVE.

UH, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND CANNED CONTENT TO BRING FORWARD.

UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE BANDWIDTH TO PROVIDE A BUNCH OF, OF ORIGINAL CONTENT.

UH, AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF MANAGING THE SIZE OF, OF THIS WORKING GROUP TO BE MANAGEABLE.

UH, SO I WOULD LEAVE IT TO THEM IF THEY WANNA, IF THEY WANT TO ADD MEDICAL, UH, MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT'D BE UP TO THEM, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF, OF HAVING A MANAGEABLE SIZE GROUP AS WELL.

CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? UH, YES.

COMMISSIONER ROBBINS.

UM, I REALIZED THAT I REALIZED THAT IT'S, UH, NOT, UM, STAFF'S JOB TO, UM, PROMOTE THE NEED FOR MORE STAFF AND MORE SUPPORT, BUT INFORMALLY IT'S OUR JOB.

AND WE SHOULD, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, BE ADVOCATING FOR MORE STAFF SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, OVEREXTENDED.

WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT EVEN INFORMAL FORMAL.

IT IS FORMALLY PART OF OUR, I AGREE.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

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COMMENTS FOR KURT? I HAVE A QUESTION SLASH COMMENT OR MAYBE ONE OF EACH CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? OKAY, GREAT.

UM, YEAH, SO A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE SLIDES UNDER DRIVERS, Y'ALL MENTION EQUITY AND, AND TALKS A LOT ABOUT COST AND AFFORDABILITY.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, A KEY COMPONENT OF EQUITY IS ALSO UNDERSTANDING THE DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS ON PEOPLE OF COLOR.

AND SO I'M CURIOUS, UH, IF THERE'S DEMOGRAPHIC DATA IN ADDITION TO COST OR AFFORDABILITY DATA THAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT, UM, THERE, UH, AND THEN THAT'S ALSO A KEY COMPONENT THAT THE WORKING GROUP I THINK SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IS, IS THAT IS, UH, RACE AND OTHER DEMOCRAT DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, SOMETHING Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE DRIVERS.

UM, WE HAVEN'T YET.

UH, BUT ALSO, UM, I'M GOING TO ASK SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THIS, AS WELL AS TO SOME OF THE AREAS THEY WANT TO HEAD SHANE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY, BUT IT IS HIGHLY LIKELY THAT, UH, POOR PEOPLE ARE MORE ADVERSELY AFFECTED SIMPLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE TOXIC ARE LESS EXPENSIVE AND THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO BE USED IN APARTMENTS AND TRACT HOMES THAN IN UPPER SCALE HOMES.

THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

UM, MAYBE I'LL, I'LL CLARIFY THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY LOW INCOME.

AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN OVERLAP WITH, IN TERMS OF DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS ON RACE FOR ANY ISSUE, BUT IT'S FORTUNATELY IMPACTS, UH, LOW-INCOME PEOPLE.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD.

UM, BUT YEAH, I, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GRANTS AT ALL, I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A QUICK OVERVIEW OF, UH, OF, OF A LARGE PROGRAM AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT KIND DATA AND PROCESSES Y'ALL USE TO, IN TERMS OF THE DRIVERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY TO LOOK AT FROM AFAR DEMOGRAPHIC DATA CAN BE BROUGHT IN, I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY POWERFUL FROM AFAR.

UH, WE PROBABLY HAVE ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL ALLIES ON THIS ISSUE THAT WE COULD ASK FOR IN AUSTIN, WHICH WOULD BE FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES.

UH, THEY, WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEIR REPUTATION SHANE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW MUCH THEY WORK ON SUSTAINABILITY, UM, AS WELL AS AFFORDABILITY.

SO, UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, THEIR PARTICIPATION WILL, UM, UH, ASSUAGE SOME OF YOUR, UH, CONCERNS.

YEAH.

THANKS FOR UPLIFTING THAT, UM, OF ALL.

UM, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ADDING, ADDING ADDITIONAL X IN AN IDEAL WORLD WHERE WE COULD ADD A LOT MORE ADDITIONAL EXPERTISE AND CAPACITY TO THE, TO THE WORKING GROUP, I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERTISE IN RACIAL EQUITY AND ANALYSIS THERE IN ADDITION TO, TO, UH, A HEALTH EXPERT OR HEALTH PRACTITIONER.

UM, SO JUST SEEING THEM ADD THAT TO THE, AT LEAST TO THE WISHLIST, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S, IF IT ENDS UP NOT BEING POSSIBLE TO ADD TO THIS WORKING GROUP, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, UH, UH, THAT PERSPECTIVE IS COMMUNICATED.

THANKS.

Y'ALL ALL RIGHT.

FINAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

UH, MR. HARMON.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KURT FOR THE THOUGHTFUL PRESENTATION.

THIS WAS REALLY HELPFUL FOR ME, UM, PERSONALLY, AND, UM, APPRECIATE YOU TAKING US THROUGH IT ALL.

UM, I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THE MENTION OF THE EQUITY FOCUS AT SEVERAL POINTS IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I'LL, I'LL ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF THE COMMISSION.

YOU KNOW, CLEARLY IT IS A TOPIC THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US.

AND, UM, I'M PERSONALLY HAPPY TO HEAR YOU ALL GOING BEYOND AFFORDABILITY, KIND OF RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THAT.

AND, UM, EITHER IN YOUR UPDATES TO THE COMMISSION OR TO, OR FROM THE, THE, UM, WORKING GROUPS UPDATES

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I MADE UP OF OUR COMMISSIONERS TO THE COMMISSION WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE TO HEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT METRICS YOU'RE TRACKING, UM, WHAT ORGANIZATIONS ARE INVOLVED.

I KNOW YOU, YOU MENTIONED NAACP AND SEVERAL OTHERS AND, AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, UM, WILL BE GREAT TO HEAR, UM, WHO, WHO ALL YOU HAVE INVOLVED, UH, IN, IN, AS, AS YOU'RE ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THAT RESPECT.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUICK COMMENTS WHILE I'VE GOT, UM, THE, THE MIC.

UM, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE PARTNERSHIPS.

I THINK THE, THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO, OR EXCUSE ME, COLORADO UNIVERSITY, IS REALLY INNOVATIVE AND, UM, COOL TO, TO, TO HEAR, UM, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING IN, UH, ACADEMIC RESEARCH, UH, INTO YOUR PROGRAM.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES, UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF CON UH, COMMENTS REGARDING PULL LIFE CYCLE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT RESEARCH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO, TO HEAR ABOUT, UM, AS, AS WELL.

UM, I GUESS MY, MY, MY REAL QUESTION HERE, UM, NEXT IS MAYBE MORE TO THE WORKING GROUP THEN TO KURT, YOU AND YOUR TEAM.

AND THAT IS FOR THE WORKING GROUP, UM, PAUL OR OTHERS ON THE WORKING GROUP WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW, YOU KNOW, AS THIS WORK PROCEEDS, AND YOU GO THROUGH THE, THE MEETINGS THAT, UM, THAT CURRENT OUTLINED FOR US, HOW DO YOU EXPECT THE KIND OF COMMUNICATION BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION TO GO, AND HOW CAN WE BE MOST SUPPORTIVE TO YOU ALL IN YOUR WORK AND TO AGB IN KIND OF HELPING TO ADVANCE THE MISSION OVERALL? UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT FOR A MINUTE OR TWO PLEASE? UM, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP THE SPOT.

PAUL JUST WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR I'LL JUST I'LL, I'LL ECHO WHAT I SAID A FEW MOMENTS AGO, WHICH IS THAT, UM, WE NEED, WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED MORE STAFF TIME, UH, DEDICATED TO A PROGRAM, UH, IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN ORIGINATING ONE, UH, UH, IT'S NOT MY INTENT, UH, TO, UH, ADD ONE MORE BURDEN TO THE GREEN BUILDING PROGRAMS STAFF.

UH, I'M HOPING THAT IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING SUCCESSFUL, WE CAN ALL ADVOCATE FOR, UH, THE WHEREWITHAL TO GET IT DONE.

UM, AND, AND IF, IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT, UH, I WOULD ASK HELP FROM, UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS, IT WOULD BE TO GET MORE STAFF IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL.

UH, AND THE OTHER THING WOULD BE TO GO TO YOUR RESPECTIVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT APPOINTED YOU AND TELL THEM, SAY WE NEED THIS OR THAT THAT'S COME OUT OF THE WORKING GROUP.

THANK YOU.

THAT THAT'S HELPFUL.

AND PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE STAFF POINT SPECIFICALLY, UM, AS, AS THE WORK PROGRESSES AND WE GET CLOSER TO RECOMMENDATIONS.

I KNOW I'VE HEARD KURT SAY THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE STAFF SPECIFICALLY.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMMISSIONER WILL BE VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT YOU MAY BE ASKING FOR IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OUT OF THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WOULD BE A WORKABLE PATH.

UM, SO I KNOW I, FOR ONE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT AS, AS THIS COMMISSION GOES THROUGH ITS, UM, ITS EXERCISES.

UM, BUT I GUESS PAUL, MAYBE WHAT I MEANT MORE SPECIFICALLY WAS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SERIES OF MEETINGS, COULD WE EXPECT LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW, A REPORT OUT TO THE, TO THE FULL COMMISSION, UM, OF THE PROGRESS OF EACH OF THE MEETINGS AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JUST A, BASICALLY AN UPDATE OF THE, THE WORK OF THE GROUP.

YEAH.

YES.

BUT DON'T EXPECT TOO MUCH QUICKLY.

UH, MY GUESS IS THAT THIS IS, UH, GOING TO, UH, TAKE SEVERAL MEETINGS TO CRYSTALLIZE, BUT HAVING SAID THAT IT'S NOT MY INTENTION TO KEEP ANY COMMISSIONER OR ANY, UH, NON COMMISSIONER FOR THAT MATTER IN THE DARK, IF I'M ASKED, UH, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO UPDATES, BUT I I'M, I DON'T WANT TO OVER PROMISE EXCITEMENT.

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UH, IT MAY TAKE THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS BEFORE WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT, UH, WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

UNDERSTOOD, BUT TO TOTALLY GET THAT.

AND WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS TO TELL US WHEN, WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOPEFULLY GET THEM PAST THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IN ADVANCE OF A BUDGET PROCESS BY, YOU KNOW, JUST WORKING IN THE TIMELINE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST WOULD HELP TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, TH THOSE EVENTS AND, AND REALLY AT THE END, I THINK MY, MY, MY INTENT YEARS TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO REALLY, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC THAT THERE'S THIS COLLABORATIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE WORKING GROUP AND AUSTIN ENERGY STAFF.

THAT'S MANAGING IT.

UM, I LOVE TO HEAR THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP.

UM, YOU KNOW, MY HOPE IS THAT AS A RESULT OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, GOOD THINGS WILL HAPPEN MEANINGFUL IMPACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTINUES TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE, BUT AVOIDS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL GOING TOO FAST AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SEEING SOME OF THE NEGATIVE FALLOUT, THE CURT MENTIONED THAT THE STAFF IS AWARE OF.

UM, SO I GUESS MAYBE WHAT I'M SAYING IS JUST LET US KNOW WHAT YOU NEED FROM US, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO UPDATES, UM, AS, AS THEY'RE AVAILABLE.

RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER SIR.

YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO, SORRY, LET ME BRING THAT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.

JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, PUT A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR AROUND THINGS HERE.

UM, IT HAS BEEN MORE OR LESS OUR INTENT THAT IS PART OF THIS COLLABORATION WITH AUSTIN ENERGY ON THIS PROJECT, THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMISSION.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT OUR LANGUAGES HERE, BUT, UH, OF THIS WORKING GROUP ARE TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AUSTIN GREEN BUILDING TO INCORPORATE INTO ITS EXISTING PROGRAM.

UM, SO IT WILL BE SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO BASICALLY REACH A CONSENSUS ALONG WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL REACH A CONSENSUS AND KURT WILL SIT ACROSS THE TABLE AND KIND OF GIVE US THE NOD.

LIKE, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

OR YES, YOU CAN DO THAT.

AND WE'LL KIND OF KNOW WHAT OUR PATH FORWARD IS GOING TO BE THERE.

SO IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADD INTO THE EXISTING PROGRAM AS PART OF THEIR REGULAR REVIEW.

SO WE DON'T REALLY SEE THIS AS BEING SOMETHING WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE.

WE HOPE ANYWAY, A MUCH BIGGER BURDEN ON THEM OTHER THAN BASICALLY HAVING TO SIT THERE AND PLAY BABYSITTER FOR US DURING THESE MEETINGS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

UM, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? KURT? ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAD THAT CORRECT.

UM, AND THEN, UH, I FORGOT WHAT THE OTHER THING WAS IN THE MEANTIME, SO I'LL JUST SHUT UP AGAIN.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HI, THIS IS REBECCA.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, MY, MY IDEA OF THIS WORKING GROUP AND THE TOXIC MATERIALS, UM, ISSUE IS MORE TO JUST CONTINUE PUSHING, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO CONTINUALLY UPDATE AS THINGS CHANGE BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS DON'T STAY THE SAME AND AUSTIN PRIDES ITSELF ON BEING, UM, A FORWARD-THINKING CITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT TOXIC MATERIALS IS JUST ONE WAY TO KIND OF CREATE MAYBE A METHOD FOR, UM, OR MAYBE JUST, UH, JUST A WAY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO UPDATE AS THINGS COME UP.

UM, SO THE TOXIC MATERIALS IS JUST THE FIRST EXAMPLE, BUT OTHER THINGS ARE GONNA COME UP.

AND SO, UM, EVEN IF SOMETHING DOESN'T COME UP WHERE LIKE THEY NEED EXTRA STAFF, WHICH HOPEFULLY NOT, IT, IT BECOMES PART OF THEIR PROCESS TO JUST LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, LOOK AT WHAT, UM, THEY COULD BE DOING BETTER.

AND, UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M EXPECTING FROM THIS.

AND SO AS THINGS, UM, DEVELOP FROM THE WORKING GROUP, UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY LET THE REST OF THE COMMISSION KNOW, DOES THAT, IS THAT HELPFUL? CAUSE THAT, THAT'S HOW I SEE IT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME OF IT.

HOPEFULLY THEY JUST INCORPORATE THESE THINGS LIKE THEY NORMALLY DO EVERY SIX YEARS OR, YOU KNOW, UM, SO IT'S JUST A PART OF US TO PUSH THEM TO DO BETTER.

THAT WAS ALL HELPFUL TO ME.

THANK YOU GUYS.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER SEWN.

UM, YEAH, THE OTHER THING THAT I, I KIND OF FORGOT

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A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT, UM, UH, IN REGARDS SPECIFICALLY TO THE SIZE OF THE COMMISSION, UM, KURT CAN TELL YOU JUST BY OUR LAST DOODLE POLL, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO AGREE UPON A SIMPLE MEETING TIME TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR SECOND MEETING, HOW MUCH OF A CHORE THAT IS.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING DELIBERATELY TO KEEP THE GROUP RELATIVELY SMALL.

WE HAVE EIGHT STANDING MEMBERS PLUS THREE HELPING US.

SO WE'RE ALREADY UP AT 11.

SO THAT'S PART OF WHY I AM NOT CONCERNED NECESSARILY ABOUT HAVING STANDING MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FROM OTHER CONSTITUENCIES, AS LONG AS WE CAN FIND PEOPLE TO ACT AS A RESOURCE FOR US AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND CAN BOUNCE INFORMATION OFF OF THEM ON A ONE-OFF OR A REGULAR BASIS ON A CONSULTATIVE BASIS, RATHER THAN ACTING AS MEMBERS OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE.

SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON BUILDING MATERIAL, LET'S SAY THAT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY, NEVER BE USED AGAIN.

AND SO WE WILL NOW GO TO THE BUILDING COMMUNITY.

WE'LL TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE TRADES THERE AS WELL TO SECURE THEIR BUY-IN SAME THING.

YOU WOULD ALSO BE TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT, UH, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND YOU WOULD GET THEM, YOU WOULD GET BUY IN FROM THEM AS WELL ON SOME OF THESE PLANS.

BUT THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO KEEP THE ACTUAL WORKING GROUP SOMETHING THAT'S MORE MANAGEABLE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF SETTLED ON THE SIZE THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT.

FINAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THANK YOU, KURT.

APPRECIATE IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I COULDN'T THINK OF THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE, BUT THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S RECORDED FOR POSTERITY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, MOVING ON

[3. Austin Energy Resiliency as a Service (RaaS) Program Development Update.]

TO ITEM THREE, AUSTIN ENERGY RESILIENCY AS A SERVICE PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT UPDATE.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS ERIC .

I'M VICE PRESIDENT ENERGY MARKET OPERATIONS AND RESOURCE PLANNING HERE AT AUSTIN ENERGY.

AND, UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL GO OVER A BACKGROUND ON, UH, THIS PROGRAM AND A PROGRAM OVERVIEW AND THEN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.

OKAY, GOOD.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU.

UM, UM, SO FOR SOME TIME, UM, GROCERY STORES, CRITICAL LOAD HAVE, UH, GROCERY STORES LIKE HEB.

THEY'VE BEEN PARTNERING WITH GENERATION COMPANIES, UH, INSTALLING DISTRIBUTED GENERATION, UM, ON THEIR SIDE OF THE METER ON CUSTOMER, ON CUSTOMER, UH, AT THE CUSTOMER LOCATION.

AND, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, BACKUP GENERATION ANYWHERE FROM THAT LOWER LEVEL, THE 2,250 KILOWATTS UP TO UP TO 10 MEGAWATTS AND THIS KIND OF RESILIENCY, THIS, THIS GENERATION IS, IS BEING SOUGHT AFTER, UM, BY CUSTOMERS, UH, TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FROM HURRICANES, FROM STORMS AND OTHER TYPES OF OUTAGES GENERATION COMPANIES ACTUALLY OPERATE THE GENERATORS AND THEY SELL INTO THE ERCOT MARKET DURING WINTER STORM, UH, URI, UH, GROCERY STORES WITH BACKUP GENERATION MAINTAINED POWER THROUGHOUT THE STORM.

UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR, UM, SB 3 98 ACTUALLY, UM, ALLOWED GROCERY STORES, FOOD SUPPLY CHAINS TO CONTRACT WITH GENERATION COMPANIES TO INSTALL BACKUP GENERATION AND ACCESS THE WHOLESALE MARKET IN NOEY SERVICE TERRITORIES.

SO NOAH'S DO HAVE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL, UH, TO EITHER BUY THE GEN OR ACT AS A QUEASY.

UM, BUT THE BILL DOES REQUIRE NON-OPEN ENTITIES, UH, TO ALLOW INTERCONNECTION AND TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS, UH, TO THE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM ON A NON-DISCRIMINATORY BASIS.

AND THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT TO DO THIS, UH, IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER.

SO A STOP STOP, UH, CLOCK, UH, DOES START ONCE THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO, TO TURN THAT AROUND WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME GO TO THE NEXT.

SO, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY, UM, MOVED, UH, TO BE PART OF, UH, THIS SOLUTION FOR, DO YOU HAVE, OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO ONCE THIS BILL WAS PASSED, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY, UM, WORKED TO, UH, DEVELOP A PROGRAM, UH, THAT WOULD MEET THEIR CUSTOMER NEEDS.

THIS PROGRAM IS, UM, TO MEET, UM, OUR CUSTOMER'S RESILIENCY NEEDS, UM, BUT ALSO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

UM, UH, SO THEN WE CAN BE PART OF THAT, UH, CONTROL AND MANAGE THAT GENERATION IN OUR SERVICE TERRITORY DOES, YOU CAN SEE HERE,

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UH, YOU HAVE A HOST CUSTOMER THAT'S DRIVING THIS, UM, THIS NEED OR THIS WANT, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY IS, UH, PROVIDING A PLATFORM THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THEM TO, UM, MEET WITH A QUALIFIED VENDORS, UM, AND, UH, DETERMINE WHAT A RESILIENCY PROGRAM BEST FITS THE SOLUTION THEY REQUIRE.

UH, AND THEN, UH, WE WILL WORK WITH OUR CUSTOMERS, UM, TO, UH, DEVELOP THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH, UH, THOSE, UH, VENDORS ON OUR, UM, VENDOR REQUIRED LIST.

WE HAVE A CERTAIN LIST THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.

UM, AND THEN, UM, WE WILL WORK WITH THEM, UH, IN THAT, UH, RELATIONSHIP.

SO THEN OUR CUSTOMER HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BEST PRODUCT POSSIBLE.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT PROGRAM.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THE PROGRAM HAS, UM, WE, WE WORKED, UH, TO DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM.

SO THEN IT WOULD REALLY OPTIMIZE, UM, THE, UM, THE BENEFITS THAT THIS CAN BRING OUR CUSTOMERS.

SO FIRST OF ALL, IT PROVIDES IMPROVED RELIABILITY AND RESILIENCY, UM, UH, TO, TO THE HOST SITE, TO THE HOST CUSTOMER.

UH, IT PROVIDES THEM BUSINESS CONTINUITY AND AN AFFORDABLE WAY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS RELIABILITY.

THIS ALSO, UH, CAN BRING THIS ALSO BRINGS VALUE TO OUR CUSTOMER'S PORTFOLIO AS FAR AS HEDGE VALUE, PRICE PROTECTION FOR CP REDUCTION,