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IT IS 6 0 6 AND WE'RE GOING TO,
[Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order]
UH, BRING THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UM, JUNE 28TH, 2022 TO ORDER.UH, WE'LL GO AND DO A ROLL CALL HERE AND I'LL START.
UM, WE'LL JUST START WITH THOSE ON THE, UH, THE DIET'S HERE.
AND I'LL START WITH YOU MR. ANDERSON HERE.
UH, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHEA PRESENT IS YOUR CHAIR SHAW.
AND, UH, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER SR HERE.
UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND FINISH UP.
WE HAVE THE, UH, JUST ON EXIT TISSUES, UM, FAR LEFT HERE IS A BOARD OF COMMISSIONS CHAIR, JESSICA COHEN.
AND THEN ON THE SCREEN, I'LL JUST GO IN THE ORDER THAT I SEE YOU GUYS.
UH, YOU HAVE VICE-CHAIR OR TEMPLE, UH, AND WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER BUSH TODDLER HERE, UH, COMMISSIONER COX, ERR, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER HERE.
AND SO THAT BRINGS US TO SEE EVENING 2, 3, 4, 5.
SO THAT GIVES US, UM, UH, 10 MEMBERS THIS EVENING, IF I'M COUNTING RIGHT.
AND WE MAY HAVE MORE JOINING US LATER.
UM, UH, REAL QUICK, THIS, UH, FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING.
UH, WE'LL HAVE BOTH COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE HERE ON THE DIOCESE AND ON, UH, ATTENDING VIRTUALLY AS WELL AS SPEAKERS THAT ARE HERE IN CHAMBERS AND PARTICIPATING, UH, VIRTUALLY.
SO, UM, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT, UH, IT'S BEEN STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF, UH, KEEPING ME THESE WORKING AND, UM, THIS EVENING, UH, I HAVE A MISSIONER, UM, SHADE THAT'S GOING TO HELP ME DO THE FIRST READING OF THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA, BUT A FEW HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. UH, JUST WANT TO REMIND COMMISSIONERS, HAVE YOUR RED, YELLOW, GREEN CARDS AVAILABLE TO HELP ME COUNT VOTES AND I'LL BE RECOGNIZING THOSE VOTING AGAINST OR ABSTAINING FROM MEASURES, JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS KIND OF WHAT THE COUNT IS.
AND, UM, WHEN YOU'RE ONLINE, UH, JUST, UM, REMAIN MUTED AND RAISE HER HAND.
I HAVE FOLKS TYPICALLY HERE ON THE DICE THAT HELPED ME, UM, KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO BE NOTICED.
AND LASTLY, UM, WELL LET'S CHECK REAL QUICK.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS COMMUNITY? UH, I'M SORRY.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM THAT I'LL JUST, UM, IT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY, UH, CHANGES, UH, TO THE MINUTES? UH, FROM JUNE 14TH? OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 14TH MEETING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[Reading of the Agenda]
I'LL GO AHEAD, UH, AS, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER SHAVED.YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A FIRST READING OF THE SURE.
SO ITEM ONE IS APPLYING AMENDMENT NPA 2022 DASH 0 0 27 0.01 TO US S H Q WEST 35TH DISTRICT 10 ITEM IS POSTERS FOR DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ITEM TWO IS A REZONING C 14 20 22 0 0 2 1 DASH S H Q W A WEST 35TH DISTRICT 10 ITEMS POSTED FOR DISCUSSION AND IT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ITEM THREE IS A PLANET AMENDMENT NPA 2022 DASH 2 0 20 THREE.ZERO ONE DOT S H 51 0 7 TO 5 1 1 5 LANCASTER DISTRICT FOUR.
THIS IS POSTED AS A STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 12TH AND, UH, IT IS PENDING.
UH, WE HAVE ITEM FOUR, C 14, UH, IT'S A REZONING C 14 20 22 DEATHS.
USUALLY YEAR ONE, EIGHT, D S S H 5107 2 5 51 15 LANCASTER DISTRICT FOUR.
UH, SAME THING, STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 12TH.
AND IT'S GOT A PENDING RECOMMENDATION.
UH, ITEM FIVE, REZONING C 14 20 21 DASH 0 1 9 1 DOMAIN CENTRAL DISTRICT SEVEN.
IT IS, UH, FOR STAFF INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT.
WE HAVE ITEM SIX IS A REZONING C 14 20 22 DASH 0 0 5 7 1 2 1 5 WEST MARY STREET.
ITEM IS FOR CONSENT AND IT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ITEM SEVEN
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IS A REZONING C 14 20 22 DASH 0 0 3 4 SOUTH THIRD STREET.ITEM IS POSTED FOR CONSENT AND IT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
WE HAVE ITEM EIGHT IS A REZONING C EIGHT C 8 1 4 DASH NINE FIVE DASH 0 0 0 ONE.ZERO TWO SOUTH AUSTIN MEDICAL CENTER.
DISTRICT THREE ITEM IS POSTED FOR CONSENT AND IT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ITEM NINE IS HISTORIC ZONING, C 14 H 2022 DASH 0 0 7 TO THE KALUNGA HOUSE DISTRICT.
ONE ITEM IS POSTED FOR DISCUSSION AND IT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ITEM 10, HISTORIC ZONING, C 14 H DASH 2022 DASH 0 0 7 1 BELLAGIO HOUSE DISTRICT THREE.
I MISS POST FOR DISCUSSION AND IT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ITEM 11 IS ANNEXATION INTO WATER DISTRICT C 12 M DASH 2022 DASH 0 0 0 1 DASH 4 3 1 5 DUNNING LANE.
IT'S EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION ITEMS POSTED FOR CONSENT.
AND IT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ITEM 12 IS PRELIMINARY PLAN C EIGHT J DASH 2 0 1 9 DASH 0 0 9 0 STONY RIDGE HIGHLANDS DISTRICT TWO ITEM IS POSTED FOR CONSENT AND IT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ITEM 13 IS A READ SUBDIVISION C 8 20 16 DASH 0 1 6 EIGHT.ZERO EIGHT DASH LOT 10 A BLOCK ONE
THIS IS ITEM IS POSTED AS A STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 26 WITH A PENDING A RECOMMENDATION.
WE HAVE A NUMBER 14 TOTAL PLANT VACATION, C EIGHT DASH 71 DASH FIVE ONE VAC LINDA VISTA SUBDIVISION POSTED FOR CONSENT AND IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
WE HAVE ITEM 15 PRELIMINARY WITHOUT FINAL, WITHOUT PRELIMINARY PLAN C A J DASH 2 0 2 1 DASH 0 1 5 4 DASH ZERO A DASH MAJESTIC AT DECKER LANE.
FINAL PLAT ITEM IS POSTED FOR CONSENT AND IT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
AND THEN WE HAVE ITEM C1, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION, UH, ESTABLISHING THE WORK, THE HOUSING WORKING GROUP TASKED WITH FORWARDING RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THIS IS, UH, THIS WILL BE MOVE FORWARD DISCUSSION AND I THINK THAT'S IT.
AND THEN WE HAVE ITEM D ONE, WHICH IS NOMINATIONS NOMINATING MEMBER OF PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL TO SERVE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE.
AND THAT WILL BE, AND THAT ONE, NO, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TRY TO PULL THAT, UH, JUST PUT THAT ON CONSENT.
IT'S JUST, UM, THERE WAS A CLERICAL ERROR MADE, SO WE'VE ALREADY VOTED IN THAT IN THE PAST.
WE JUST NEED TO, OKAY, SO THAT'LL BE ON CONSENT UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS.
UM, LET ME GO AHEAD AND GET THAT BACK.
AND, UH, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS NEED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM ANY OF THE ITEMS TODAY? UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON CHAIR.
UH, I'D LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM
I DON'T SEE ANY, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO A SECOND READING AND WELL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES? NO OTHER SPEAKERS.
COMMISSIONERS, WISH TO PULL ANY OTHER ITEMS OR DISCUSS THEM BEFORE I READ THE CONSENT AGENDA AGAIN.
LET'S GO THROUGH THIS ONE MORE TIME.
[Consent Agenda]
HAVE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 14TH, 2022, UH, WE HAVE ITEM B ONE, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION CASE, UM, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ITEM B TO REZONING CASE, UM, UH, RESOUNDING, WHICH IS DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.UH, B3 STEP HAS FUNDING TO JULY 12TH, UH, BEFORE REZONING STAFF POSTPONEMENTS TO JULY 12TH, B FIVE STAFF INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT B SIX IS ON CONSENT.
THE NINE IS OUR DISCUSSION CASE.
UH, B 10 IS HISTORIC ZONING DISCUSSION.
B 11 ANNEXATION INTO WATER DISTRICT IS ON CONSENT.
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B12 PRELIMINARY PLAN IS ON CONSENT.B 13 RECEPTIVE VISION IS A STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 26, B 14.
TOTAL PLANNED VACATION IS ON CONSENT AND B 15 IS ON CONSENT.
AND IS IT, UH, EARLIER, UM, WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, UM, RECUSING ON ITEM B 10.
UH, WE'RE ALSO ON C ONE IS DISCUSSION AND D ONE WILL ALSO BE ON THE DISCUSSION.
IT'S TO NOMINATE A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL TO SERVE ON THE CONFERENCE, BUT PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE, UH, THAT IS, UH, COMMISSIONER FLORES.
AND, UM, SO WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? ALL RIGHT.
DO I HAVE A, UM, A MOTION FOR CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, OKAY.
UH, VICE CHAIR HEMPHILL SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER.
THAT'S EVERYBODY THAT WAS VIRTUALLY.
THAT'S UNANIMOUS, UH, 10 OF US TODAY.
[Items B1 & B2]
AHEAD AND MOVE INTO OUR FIRST DISCUSSION CASE, WHICH IS ITEM B.ARE WE TAKING THESE TOGETHER? NOPE.
UH, WE'LL GO AND TAKE THOSE UP TOGETHER AND, UH, GO AND START WITH STAFF ON THE PLAN.
AMENDMENT ITEM NUMBER B ONE IS PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 2 7 0.01 S H Q WEST 35TH STREET.
PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1809 WEST 35TH STREET IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL WEST AUSTIN COMBINED NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING AREA.
THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED JEWS.
WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER IN SUPPORT FROM THE CENTRAL WEST NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM WITH CONDITIONS.
GOOD EVENING, HEATHER CHAFFIN HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON CASE C 14 20 22 0 0 2 1.
UH, THE REQUEST IS TO GO FROM L R N P TO L O M U N P.
IT'S AN 1809 WEST 35TH STREET.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER ACRE PROPERTY STAFF IS SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
UH, THE PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST 35TH STREET BETWEEN OAKMONT BOULEVARD AND JEFFERSON STREET.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A RETAIL STORE AND ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT IS NOT PERMITTED IN LRS OPENING IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY IS L R N P.
LOTS TO THE EAST ARE ZONED L OMP WITH LAST LOT ON THIS BLOCK, S C S N P.
THE LNP PROPERTIES HAVE A MIX OF PERSONAL REPAIR SERVICES.
MEDICAL OFFICE IS A MULTIFAMILY AND OTHER USES.
THE CSMP PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH FINANCIAL SERVICES.
SOUTH OF THE REZONING TRACK IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE SFD MP ACROSS WEST 35TH TO THE NORTH ARE PROPERTIES ZONED, L O L R N.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THE REASON FOR THIS REQUEST, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY A DOWN'S OWNING FROM LR ELO IS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED FAR.
IT WOULD ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL POINT TO, UH, FLORIDA AREA RATIO.
THE FAR UNDER ELO WOULD ALLOW APPROXIMATELY 2300 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL DEVELOPABLE SPACE.
AND OF COURSE, ADDING THE MEU IS INTENDED TO MAKE THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USE OR ANY RESIDENTIAL USE PERMITTED, UH, STAFF SUPPORTS THE REQUEST.
THIS IS A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR, A LEVEL THREE ROAD, AND THERE IS A MIX OF OFFICE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING AND USE IS ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT MS. VICTORIA HUSSEY, MS. HOSTEL, YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
HASI WITH THOROUGH DESIGN ON BEHALF OF THE LANDOWNER, MS. JOSE, IF YOU COULD PAUSE FOR JUST ONE MINUTE AS WE PULL UP YOUR
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PRESENTATION, THE SUBJECT TRACT IS SHOWN IN YELLOW.UH, AS HEATHER MENTIONED, DID IT FRONTS ON WEST 35TH STREET? IT'S A LONG NARROW LOT WITH ABOUT 55 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST 35TH.
SO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE CONVERTED TO COMMERCIAL USE SOMETIME AFTER THE 1960S.
UM, AND THE FRONT STRUCTURE WAS HOME TO THE FIDDLER'S GREEN MUSIC SHOP FOR SEVERAL DECADES.
THE SECOND UNIT IS TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S A UNIT THAT WAS BUILT MAYBE 10 TO 20 YEARS AFTER THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND HAS SERVED AS WHAT YOU WOULD CALL AN ADU, I GUESS, THESE DAYS.
AND, UM, THERE ARE SOME PARKING SPACES IN BETWEEN THE SECOND UNIT AND THE FRONT UNIT.
SO THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT REQUESTS THAT WE'VE MADE IS IN ORDER TO MEMORIALIZE THE LONGSTANDING USE OF THE PROPERTY AS MIXED USE.
UH, AS HEATHER MENTIONED TODAY, THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR SOME TIME WOULD NOT BE, UH, LEGAL.
UH, THEY ARE THE USES THAT ARE, THERE ARE GRANDFATHERED, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, THE LANDOWNER WOULD LIKE TO MEMORIALIZE THE, UM, ABILITY TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ON THE SITE, MOVING FORWARD.
AND THE ACCOMPANIED REZONING REQUEST IS A DOWN'S OWNING AND ON ITS OWN WOULD NOT HAVE REQUIRED A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT.
UM, THE REQUESTED ELO AND THE MIXED USE OVERLAY IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE REZONING REQUEST.
SO THIS IS A TABLE SHOWING THE HIERARCHY OF COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE CURRENT SITE HAS THE COLUMN AND ORANGE SHOWS THE CURRENT SITE, UH, REGULATIONS, ACCORDING TO THE LR ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THE COLUMN IN GREEN SHOWS THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE ARE REQUESTING.
IT IS A DOWNLOADING, UM, AND THERE ARE MANY OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT ARE THE SAME, AND THERE ARE FEW THAT ARE DIFFERENT.
AND I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THOSE IN A MINUTE.
SO WITH THE REZONING, WITH THE DOWN'S ZONING, THERE ARE 17 USES THAT WILL BE LOST FROM THE SITE TODAY.
AND THREE USES THAT ARE GAINED.
UH, ONE OF THOSE USES BEING RESIDENTIAL NEXT SLIDE.
AND THIS IS A COMPARISON OF THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT, UH, SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS BOTH GENERALLY, AND AS THEY APPLY TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO BOTH LR AND ELO HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 57 50 OF WHICH THIS LOT DOES MEET AT 11,767 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 50 FEET.
THIS LOT HAS 55 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 40 FEET AND THREE FLOORS TODAY, AND IT WILL REMAIN 40 FEET AND THREE FLOORS WITH THE DOWNS ZONING THAT WE'VE REQUESTED.
THE FRONT SETBACK IS TYPICALLY 25 FEET, BUT BECAUSE THIS SITE IS A SMALL SITE IN TERMS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS.
AND SO THEREFORE THE FRONT SETBACK WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 TO 25 FEET.
UH, THE INTERIOR SIDE SETBACK WILL CHANGE FROM ZERO FEET TODAY TO FIVE FEET WITH THE DOWNS ZONING THAT WE'VE REQUESTED, THE REAR SETBACK WILL CHANGE FROM 16 FEET AS IT APPLIES, UH, AS COMPATIBILITY APPLIES, UM, AND WILL ALSO REMAIN, SORRY, NOT CHANGE WHAT WILL REMAIN AT 16 FEET WITH THE DOWNS ZONING WE'RE REQUESTING THE BUILDING COVERAGE REMAINS THE SAME BETWEEN WHAT CAN HAPPEN TODAY AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING AT 50%.
AND THE MAXIMUM PERVIOUS COVER ACTUALLY DECREASES WITH THE REZONING REQUEST THAT WE ARE MAKING.
UM, WHAT DOES INCREASE IS THE FLORIDA AREA RATIO, WHICH IS THE DRIVER FOR OUR REZONING REQUEST AS A DOWN ZONING FROM LR TO ELO.
SO ALL OF THIS IS TO PREPARE THE PROPERTY, TO RECEIVE A NEW CONSTRUCTION AT THREE STORIES, 40 FEET, A PODIUM STYLE BUILDING, UH, THE GROUND FLOOR WILL BE PARKING AT 18 SPACES.
SECOND FLOOR WILL BE OFFICE ESTIMATED AT ABOUT 4,300 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE THIRD FLOOR WILL ACCOMMODATE, UH, FOUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS EACH AT ABOUT 800 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE INTENDED TO HOUSE EMPLOYEES OF THE LANDOWNER BUSINESS OWNER THAT WILL, THIS BUILDING WILL BE BUILT FOR.
UM, HIS, SEVERAL OF HIS EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN PRICED OUT OF AUSTIN AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN AUSTIN.
AND SO HE TOOK THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE UNITS TO HIS EMPLOYEES.
AND THIS IS JUST A VERY BRIEF, UH, VERY SIMPLE, UH, DRAWING, SHOWING THE GREEN AREA, BEING THE NO BUILD SETBACK, UH, UH, APPLIED DUE TO COMPATIBILITY.
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UM, THE FRONT, THE BUILDING WILL BE PUSHED TOWARDS WEST 35TH STREET, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE LIGHT BLUE COLOR.THE DARKER BLUE COLOR SHOWS THE BALCONIES THAT WILL BE INSET FOR THOSE FOUR UNITS.
AND THEN, UH, THERE WILL BE SOME PARKING THAT EXTENDS SURFACE PARKING THAT EXTENDS TO THE SOUTH, UH, BEHIND THE BUILDING, TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
NEXT SLIDE WE DID MEET WITH, UH, BRECKER WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ASSOCIATION.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL EMAIL, UH, DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH SINCE JANUARY.
UH, WE HAD A FEW MEETINGS, INCLUDING THE CITY HOSTED MEETING.
THERE WAS SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT CAME FORWARD.
UM, WE DID EMAIL ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT, UH, HOW WE ADDRESS SOME OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS.
MOST RECENTLY, WE ARE CONTINUING TO BE IN DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA, AND WE PLAN TO HAVE, UM, AGREEMENTS, PRIVATE AGREEMENTS FORMALIZED BEFORE WE GET TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S ALL FOR MY PRESENTATION.
I THINK ONE OUT HERE FOR MR. RON THROWER FOR THREE MINUTES.
WELL NOW HERE, MS. MICHELLE ALDRICH, MS. ALDRIDGE, YOU'LL HAVE SIX, FIVE MINUTES.
UM, MY NAME IS MICHELLE ALDRIDGE AND I LIVE AT 1804 WEST 34TH STREET.
I AM ACTUALLY NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY THAT, UM, DIRECTLY BACKS UP TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS MINE AS WELL AS SOME OF MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS OPPOSITION TO THE ROOFTOP DECK THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, FIRST WE FEEL LIKE THIS PLAN FOR THE ROOFTOP DECK HAS BEEN KIND OF KEPT FROM US.
WE JUST RECENTLY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.
UM, AND SO WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S INTENTIONAL OR WHAT, UM, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HIM.
UM, WE DIRECTLY BACK UP TO THAT PROPERTY.
AND MY MAIN CONCERN AS BEING AN EVENT PRODUCER IS THAT THIS SPACE COULD BE USED FOR EITHER PARTIES, EVEN FOR THE TENANTS AND THE RESIDENTS, OR AS A PRIVATE EVENT SPACE THAT COULD BE RENTED OUT.
UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MAJOR CONCERNS WITH SOUND ISSUES WITH EVEN JUST PEOPLE TALKING VERY LOUD MUSIC, WHETHER IT'S LIVE OR PIPED IN, UM, AND OTHER AMPLIFIED SOUND, REGARDLESS OF THE 50 FOOT, NO BUILT BUFFER THAT THEY HAVE OFFERED RESIDENTS LIVING ON 34TH STREET.
I BELIEVE WE'LL STILL BE WELL HERE AND BE DISRUPTED FROM THE SOUNDS OF A PARTY OR AN LIVE EVENT.
UM, I, AS I SAID, I'M AN EVENT PRODUCER AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S AMPLIFIED SOUND ORDINANCE FOR DOING AN EVENT PERMIT SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT STATES AT 600 FEET FOR SPECIAL EVENT VENUES NEAR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FOR ANY KIND OF PERMITTING.
UM, OUR PROPERTIES ARE MOST CERTAINLY WITHIN THAT 600 FEET.
SO I'M DISRESPECTFULLY ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THE CITY'S AMPLIFIED SOUND ORDINANCE AND DENY THE APPLICANT'S PLAN.
THAT INCLUDES THE ROCK ROOFTOP DECK.
UM, THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED FOR A REASON.
AND SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT IT'S BEING CONSIDERED.
THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS A FOREST BLOATY AND COUNCIL.
I'M A RESIDENT OF 1714 WEST 34TH STREET.
I'M REALLY JUST HERE, UH, AND SHOW SUPPORT OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU, UM, AND, AND REALLY ASK FOR YOUR HELP, UH, AND OPPOSING THIS.
I THINK, UM, I COULD DEFINITELY SEE THE VALUE THAT IT PROVIDES THE BUSINESS AND THEIR PROPERTY, BUT IT IS REALLY UNCLEAR THE VALUE THAT IT PROVIDES MY NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY SINCE, UM, THE RESIDENTS IN QUESTION ARE NOT PERMANENT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT KIDS CAN ATTEND THE SCHOOL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND REALLY, UH, I I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR THAT BLOCK.
UM, I THINK IF YOU PUT THIS IN FRONT OF ANY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSTITUENT, NOT JUST OURS AND SHOW THEM WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD OPPOSE IT.
I WOULD, I THINK YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ANYBODY THAT WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW IT CHANGED IT IN ONCE THIS CHANGES.
THERE'LL BE OTHER CHANGES THAT FOLLOW BECAUSE THIS SETS PRECEDENT.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
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OKAY.WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MS. DIRT, GERALD BOLLOCKING.
HI, I'M GERALD VOLOKA AND I LIVE AT 1800 WEST 34TH STREET, AND MY HOUSE IS BEHIND THE PROPOSED REZONING.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT I'M TRYING TO BRING, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR A FEW MODIFICATIONS.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO DOCUMENT SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES IF YOU COULD SHOW SO ON THIS FIRST PHOTO.
SO THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE WITH THE, WITH THE HANDOUT IS THAT 35TH STREET IS THREE AND A HALF FEET HIGHER THAN 34 STREET.
AND FOR THE FIRST FIVE PROPERTIES, THEY'RE ALL SLOPED TOWARDS US.
SO WE GET ALL OF THEIR RUNOFF AND, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN OKAY, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
UM, 35TH STREET WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE SHE WAS SHOWING THEIR ACTUAL HOUSES AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T, IT WASN'T PLANTED TO HAVE PARKING LOTS AND ASPHALT AND OVER TIME, ALL THESE PARKING LOTS WERE ADDED AND THIS IS A RESULT.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY, UM, MY DRIVEWAY IS THEIR DRAINAGE DITCH.
UM, AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY VERIFIED BY THE INSPECTOR FRANKIE, ANDREA.
UM, IT WAS PLANTED IN THE 1930S.
IT WAS SINGLE-FAMILY AND, YOU KNOW, SUDDENLY OVER, OVER TIME, GRADUALLY ALL THESE PARKING LOTS WERE ADDED IN.
UM, SO THE DIRECT IMPACT ON ME IS THAT IT HAS ERODED MY DRIVEWAY.
UM, I CANNOT PAVE MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE I WOULD BE OVER IMPERVIOUS COVER.
AND IF I BRING IN ANY MORE, UM, IT'S, IT'S ERODED WHAT'S THERE.
AND IF I BRING IN ANY MORE GRAVEL, IT'S ALL GOING TO END UP IN SHOAL CREEK.
SO, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T ADDRESS THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS THAT I MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THIS ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT POINT OUT THAT THE SLOPE IS A LITTLE TO THE SOUTHEAST.
IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER THESE FIRST FIVE PROPERTIES, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS ACTUALLY SHOWS THE FIRST FIVE PROPERTIES AND THE WATER FLOW.
AND SO WHETHER IT GOES TO THE SOUTHEAST OR TO THE SOUTH, I MEAN, IT ALL COMES TO US.
UM, AND THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.
WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FOR A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL.
UM, SO JUST TO TOUCH ON A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD, SO ROOFTOP DECK IS IMPORTANT TO THIS LANDOWNER.
UM, IT WAS NOT ANYTHING THAT WAS INTENTIONALLY LEFT OFF AS FAR AS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WELL OVER 10 YEARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESS.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS AND I KNOW THEIR CONCERNS, AND I KNOW THEY'RE VERY SAVVY.
AND SO I WOULD NEVER HAVE TRIED TO HIDE SOMETHING LIKE THIS FROM THEM OR ANY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WAS TRULY THAT WE, WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THERE WAS A ROOFTOP DECK BEING PROPOSED.
WE KNEW THERE WERE BALCONIES, BUT NOT A ROOFTOP DECK.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST A BY-PRODUCT OF THE LANDOWNER IS NOT A DEVELOPER.
HE DOESN'T HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF AWARENESS OF ROOFTOP DECKS BEING A CONCERN.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE CAME FROM.
IT WAS, IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL BY ANY MEANS.
UM, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO HIM BECAUSE IT IS, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER FOR HIS EMPLOYEES.
THIS IS A SMALL SITE, THERE ARE COMPATIBILITY SETBACKS, AND THIS ROOFTOP DECK HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE HIS EMPLOYEES AND THE, THE TENANTS THAT LIVE THERE IN THE THREE UNITS, A SPACE WHERE THEY CAN BE OUTSIDE PRIVATELY WITHOUT BEING IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOTS OF PARKS IN THE AREA TOO, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PRIVATE SPACE.
UM, AS FAR AS CONCERNS FOR SOUND, THERE WAS A SOUND ORDINANCE PASSED.
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BE FOLLOWED.UM, AND IN TERMS OF CONCERNS FOR, UM, OUTDOOR VENUES, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE OR REALLY ANY KNOWLEDGE OF HOW OUTDOOR VENUE SPACE IS PERMITTED.
BUT WHAT I, WHAT I DID LEARN FROM ONE OF THE SPEAKERS IS, YEAH, SHE MENTIONED THERE'S 600 FEET.
THE CITY WON'T ALLOW AN OUTDOOR VENUE PERMIT WITHIN 600 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
SO WE DO KNOW THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ARE WITHIN SICK WELL WITHIN 600 FEET.
AND SO MY SENSE IS THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT PERMIT AN OUTDOOR VENUE SPACE HERE BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THAT 600 FEET OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERN BROUGHT FORWARD WITH THAT ELEMENT.
UM, FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SHOWN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS BUILDING FORM CAN BE BUILT TODAY WITHOUT A REZONING, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING, THE ONLY THING THAT THAT CHANGES IS MAYBE THE BUILDING WOULDN'T BE QUITE AS BIG IN TERMS OF INTERNAL SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE, WHAT THIS DOWN ZONING GIVES US IS A POINT TO, UH, INCREASE IN FLORIDA AREA RATIO.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE IF WE DON'T GET THE DOWNS ZONING THAT WE'VE REQUESTED, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE FORM OF THIS BUILDING CAN BE BUILT TODAY.
COMMISSIONERS, A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS ARE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE PLUS HEARING.
SO, UH, WHO HAS THE FIRST QUESTION THIS EVENING? UH, COMMISSIONER YANIS.
DO YOU HAVE THE, UH, UH, THE CURRENT IMPERVIOUS COVER? I KNOW FOR THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED WOULD BE GOING DOWN FROM, FROM 80 TO 70, WITH THE CURRENT STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.
DO YOU KNOW, UH, ACCORDING TO THE CITY DATA, IT SHOWS TO BE AT ABOUT 72% TODAY.
SO IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY OVER THE AMOUNT.
SO YOU ALL WOULD NOT BE ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS COVER? NO, MA'AM.
UH, CHAIR, COLIN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH, AND THEN COMMISSIONER CUTS AFTER CHOKING ALSO FOR THE APPLICANT MS. HASI, YOU KNOW, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER, WOULD THE APPLICANT ARE, DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO INSTALL SOME SORT OF RATING WATER MITIGATION, LIKE CAPTURE RAIN, WATER, INFRASTRUCTURE, ANYTHING? I, I KNOW THAT, UH, I MEAN, WE'VE NOT GOTTEN TO A FULL DESIGN OF THE SITE.
I DO KNOW THAT THE CITY WILL REQUIRE US TO, TO ADDRESS ISSUES OF STORM, WATER, DETENTION, WATER, QUALITY, THOSE MATTERS.
UM, I KNOW THE LANDOWNER HE WANTS TO MAKE THIS PROPERTY NICE.
UM, AND SO IF THERE'S WAYS BETTER WAYS, GREENER WAYS TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE MATTERS.
I DO THINK HE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.
IT MIGHT OFFSET SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND THIS IS CONCERNING THE TOPIC OF DRAINAGE.
AGAIN, I KNOW, UH, DETENTION, WATER QUALITY.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE REQUIRED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ADDING IMPERVIOUS COVER TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, BUT I'M CURIOUS IF, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY IS GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO BASICALLY DRAIN THE SITE TOWARDS 35TH, OR AT LEAST THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT TOWARDS 35TH AND, AND DEFLECT SOME OF THAT WATER FROM CONTINUING TO GO TO THE BACKSIDE TOWARDS THOSE HOMES, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY TYPICALLY REQUIRES HEATHER CHAFFIN HOUSING AND PLANNING? THE DRAINAGE WILL BE REVIEWED AT TIME OF SITE PLAN.
AND ONE OF THE BASIC, UH, DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS IS TO NOT INCREASE OFFSITE FLOW.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE, THERE IS A SITUATION RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT CODE AND REGS TOTALLY INFORMALLY AS A ZONING PLANNER.
I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT TO DRAIN TOWARD 35TH, PARTICULARLY SINCE THAT'S
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A PILL.UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD MANAGE THAT.
UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE REVIEWED AT, AT TIME OF SITE PLAN.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO INCREASE OFFSITE FLOWS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY, THEY'RE ALREADY AT THEIR MAXIMUM PREVIOUS COVERS.
SO, UM, I'M JUST HOPING THAT THE APPLICANT, THE CITY CAN FIND A WAY TO IMPROVE THAT AND, AND DRAINING, DRAINING THAT BUILDING UP AGAINST 35TH, UH, TOWARDS 35TH INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, THERE WOULD NOT BE A HARD THING TO DO.
THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE DRAINING TO WHERE IT GOES.
BUT, UM, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THE ROOFTOP DECK, UM, THE, THE STAIRWELL THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO ACCESS THE ROOFTOP DECK, DOES THAT NOT CONFLICT WITH THE 40 FOOT THREE FLOOR TYPE THING? WHAT, HOW, HOW ARE ROOFTOP DECKS CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF FLOORS AND HEIGHTS? I HAVE NOT SEEN, UH, THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE USUALLY REVIEW AT TIME OF ZONING.
I HAVE TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT AND ASKED IF THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE ISSUES OF BUILDING HEIGHT, BECAUSE THE BUILDING HEIGHT DEFINITION, YOU CAN HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A, A RAILING AROUND YOUR, YOUR BALCONY, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO, UH, COME AGAINST YOUR BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
I WASN'T AWARE OF THE, UH, STAIRWELL, UH, AND I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY'VE REVIEWED THE STAIRWELL IN TERMS OF IF IT STILL WORKS WITHIN THEIR BUILDING HEIGHT.
YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT IF I COULD, IF WE COULD HEAR FROM, UH, MS. NAZI ON, ON THAT SUBJECT, BECAUSE THE LAST SLIDE THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IN THE PRESENTATION SHOW, A CROSS SECTION OF THE BUILDING AND THE STAIRWELL TO ACCESS THE ROOFTOP DECK WAS WELL ABOVE THE 40 FEET, THREE STORY LIMITATION.
AND CAN THE APPLICANT SPEAK TOWARDS TWO TO THAT COMMISSIONERS RUN THROWER, UM, COMMISSIONER COX, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES ALLOW FOR 15% OVERRUN BEYOND THESE ZONING CAP OF ALLOWABLE HEIGHT.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IF THE BUILDING IS CAPPED AT 40 FEET, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIX FOOT OVERRUN THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THE BUILDING IS EVEN AT 39 FEET, THEN YOU COULD GO UP TO, UH, 46 FEET IN THAT CASE.
CAUSE YOU'RE ONLY 15% ABOVE THE BASE DISTRICT HEIGHT.
AND SO, UM, THAT THAT'S TRUE WITH THE PROPERTY TODAY, AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY AFTER THE REZONING.
SO, SO RON, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BETTER THAN ALL OF US SITTING ON THIS COMMISSION, WHAT, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ROOFTOP DECK DOESN'T TURN INTO A RENTABLE PARTY SPACE AND THEN IT'S REALLY JUST RESERVE OR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THOSE FOUR UNITS AS, AS KIND OF A LITTLE PERSONAL, PERSONAL BACKYARD? IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO LIMIT THE POTENTIAL OF THAT BECOMING A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE ZONING CODE? I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE IS A, WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS FOR PRIVATE, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON SEVERAL ASPECTS.
AND THE ROOFTOP DECK IS ABOUT THE ONLY REMAINING ITEM LEFT.
UM, WHAT THIS COMMISSION CAN DO.
I THINK HE CAN ELIMINATE OR PROHIBIT, UM, OUTDOOR MUSIC, UM, THAT MAY BE ALL THAT THE COMMISSION COULD BE ALLOWED TO DO AT THIS STAGE.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE HAVE BEEN, UH, TO TRY AND FIND A SOLUTION FOR THIS.
IS THERE, IS THERE A PARTICULAR SOLUTION YOU'RE LEANING TO RELATED TO THE PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT? IS THERE A WAY TO PREVENT THAT AND THROUGH THAT MECHANISM THERE, UH, REPEAT THE LAST PART OF THAT QUESTION AGAIN.
WE'RE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT, BUT IS THERE, DO YOU SEE A SOLUTION TO THIS SUBJECT, TO THIS TOPIC OF, OF, OF THE ROOFTOP DECK WITHIN THAT PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT? THAT IS WHERE WE PLAN ON ADDRESSING IT? YES.
AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT'S EQUITABLE FOR ALL PARTIES.
I GOT COMMISSIONER SHAY AND THEN COMMISSIONER ANDERSON NEXT.
DID YOU RAISE HER HAND? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
SO I'M GOING TO CONTINUE, UM, THE KIND OF WHERE, UH, UH, GRAYSON WAS, UH, ABOUT THE RESTRICTED COVENANTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON.
CAN YOU SHARE SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THAT WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT? I MEAN, ANYTIME YOU GUYS START WORKING OUT DIFFERENT THINGS AND COMPROMISING AND DISCUSSING THINGS, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
IT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S ABLE TO DISCUSS AND, YOU KNOW, AND COMPROMISE AND STUFF.
CAN YOU SHARE SOME OF THE RESTRICTED COVENANT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT PRIMARILY CAME ABOUT IN TERMS OF, UM, ADDRESSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY TO ACHIEVE ANY
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HEIGHT BONUSES, UTILIZING A CITY, UM, A CITY PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A GREATER HEIGHT THAN THE, WHAT THE BASE DISTRICT ZONING ALLOWS.AND WHILE THAT IS NOT, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE LANDOWNER HERE.
AND SO WE BROUGHT FORWARD A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT SAYING THAT WHATEVER NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES NEXT, WHETHER IT'S THIS LANDOWNER OR IF, FOR SOME REASON, SOME OTHER LANDOWNER THAT ANY NEW, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE 30 FEET, FOUR STORIES.
UM, AND THERE WOULD BE A SUNSET PROVISION THAT THAT RESTRICTION WOULD GO AWAY.
ONCE THE CITY OF AUSTIN ISSUES, A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUILDING AT 30 STORIES OR THREE 30 FEET, 4 43.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY WE DID THAT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO ENCUMBER THE PROPERTY DECADES DOWN THE ROAD FOR, UM, POTENTIAL FOR HOUSING, UM, MUCH LATER.
AND JUST ANY OTHER DETAILS IN THERE, RICHARD, TO COME TO YOU GUYS WORKING ON.
SO AS YOU HEARD MOST RECENTLY, WE, IN ORDER TO, UH, THERE'S AN IDEA THAT WE'VE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO INCLUDE A PROVISION, UH, THAT WOULD BE A 50 FOOT SETBACK FOR ANY HABITABLE STRUCTURE FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY TRIGGERING PROPERTIES.
CURRENTLY TODAY WITH COMPATIBILITY, THERE COULD BE A TWO-STORY STRUCTURE AS CLOSE AS 16 FEET FROM THOSE RESIDENCES.
UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LANDOWNER WANTS TO DO.
AND, UM, SO ORDER TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOME ASSURANCE THAT THE BUILDING, INCLUDING, UH, THE THREE STORIES, 40 FEET AND THE POTENTIAL FOR ANY ROOFTOP DECK WOULD BE PUSHED AWAY.
SO 50 FEET, THE ROOFTOP DECK WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE NON HABITABLE.
AND THAT WOULD BE 50 FEET AWAY FROM CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE OUTLINED IN THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, UM, AS, AS AN OFFER AND THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT CURRENTLY.
ANYTHING ELSE, OR THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT? UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE FOR THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.
AND THEN ON THE USES, I KNOW IT'S A DOWNED ZONING, BUT PRETTY MUCH IT'S A PRETTY BLANKET ELO THAT YOU GUYS ARE AT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN I S I WAS LOOKING AT, THERE WAS A, IN ONE OF YOUR SLIDES, YOU HAD A TOP VIEW AND IT SHOWED THE WHATEVER NON-BILLABLE AREA YOU SHOWED THE BUILDING.
SO HOW FAR IS THIS BUILDING REALLY FROM THAT BACK PROPERTY LINE? CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT YOU WERE BUILDING UP TO THE, UM, THAT SETBACK, BUT IS IT NOT, IS THE WHOLE BUILDING PUSH TOWARD 35TH? THE WHOLE BUILDING IS PUSHED FORWARD TOWARDS 35TH STREET.
SO WITH THE CURRENT ZONING TODAY AND WITH THE PROPOSED ZONING, ONLY 50% OF THE SITE CAN BE COVERED BY BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
AND BECAUSE COMPATIBILITY DOES APPLY, IT JUST NATURALLY OCCURS THAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE PUSHED TOWARDS WEST 35TH.
SO THE DISTANCE FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING TO THE BACK PROPERTY LINE IS APPROXIMATELY WHAT, UH, GOSH, UM, LET ME LOOK.
AND IF YOU CAN PULL UP THAT SLIDE, THAT'D BE GREAT.
CAUSE I WAS KINDA LOOKING AT THAT MAYBE THAT CAN HELP.
CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT BACK PROPERTY LINE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHERE THE SINGLE FAMILY WOULD BE.
SO THERE'S A BIG, VERY LAST SLIDE.
IS THAT THE LAST, THAT ONE? OKAY.
SO THAT ACCURATELY REFLECTS WHERE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WOULD GO.
SO THE BALCONIES AREN'T FACING THE BACK EITHER AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE A ROOFTOP DECK BACK.
I THINK THAT'S, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR MY QUESTIONS.
UH, NEXT HAD A COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
YEAH, I THINK I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO IN THIS AGE OF COVID, I'M NOTICING A LOT OF NEW CLASS SAY OFFICE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING KIND OF OPEN AIRSPACE AND ROOFTOP DECKS AND, AND A SPACE ON EVERY FLOOR.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THESE SPACES THAT WAVE THE SOUND? NO.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR MS. HASI.
I SEE THEM IN THE DRY GROUND, BUT I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, SO WILL EVERY ONE OF THOSE FOUR UNITS HAVE A BALCONY? YES, CORRECT.
SO THE WAY IT IS CONFIGURED, SO THERE WILL JUST NOT BE AT THE BACK.
THEY WILL BE ON THE SIDE, BUT EVERY UNIT WILL
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HAVE ACCESS TO ITS OWN BALCONY.THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS, UM, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL ARE THINKING AROUND FLOODING OR MITIGATION? I KNOW AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS WILL BE HANDLED WITH AROUND SITE PLAN, BUT I KNOW IF YOU'RE, IF THE APPLICANT HAD PUT IN ANY THOUGHT ON THAT AT THIS TIME AND I SEE MR. TORRES GETTING UP, SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN HELP US KEEP IT BETTER.
THE BETTER, THE BETTER ONE TO ANSWER THAT.
ON THE DRAINAGE ISSUE, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A DRAINAGE ISSUE OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY BEHIND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT EXACERBATED OVER TIME, BUT WE DO PLAN ON TRYING TO DEAL WITH IT THE BEST WAY WE CAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DIVERT WATER TO, UH, 35TH STREET, AS COMMISSIONER COX SAID, HAD SUGGESTED MAINLY BECAUSE THERE'S NO DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE IN 35TH STREET TO EVEN TIE INTO.
UM, THERE ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, RAIN GARDENS WOULD BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER WAY TO HELP ATTENUATE THE FLOWS AND EVEN GET SOME OF THAT TO INFILTRATE.
UH, THERE'S A LEVEL OF PARKING LOT DETENTION THAT WE COULD LOOK AT JUST TO TRY AND SLOW THE WATER DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO AN OPTION OF PUTTING IN, UM, UH, SOME SORT OF A RAIN GARDEN ALONG WITH, UH, GREEN STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE, IN THE 25 FOOT COMPATIBILITIES THAT BACK.
BUT WE'RE CONSTRAINED A LITTLE BIT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF COMPATIBILITY.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY SORT OF OUTLET ASSOCIATED WITH ANY SORT OF POND THAT WE MAY PUT BACK THERE, THEN WE'D HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR VARIANTS.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE CONSTRAINED ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A SITUATION THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT.
SO IF I'M HEARING THIS CORRECTLY, IT'S THAT YOU WILL ALREADY BE REDUCING, UM, THEN BERBERE SCORE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT IT IS ALLOWABLE, BUT FROM WHAT EXISTS THERE TODAY.
AND IN ADDITION, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR WHAT CAN BE DONE AT THE TIME OF CYCLIN, RIGHT? YES, WE DO PLAN ON REDUCING IT FOR WHAT IT IS TODAY.
I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MS. HASI OR WHOEVER CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT DUKE.
AND CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HEARD AROUND THE BALCONIES? UM, I KNOW THAT IN THE COMMUNICATION WE RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DID HEAR ABOUT THE CONCERNS WITH THE ROOFTOP, BUT I JUST WANT TO HEAR WHAT WERE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON THE BALCONIES? LIKE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD ABOUT BALCONIES WERE PRIMARILY FOR LOSS OF PRIVACY, FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS.
UM, THAT, THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH PRETTY MUCH THE ISSUE.
I'M GOING TO GO AND JUST, UM, TAKE, UH, LET ME, I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS, UM, OR OBSERVATIONS BOTH.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I GUESS ON THE, UM, WHAT I'VE SEEN WITH A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, THAT'S GOING UP, A LOT OF THEM ARE PUTTING, YOU KNOW, ROOFTOP DECKS INCORPORATING THOSE INTO THESE TALLER BUILDINGS.
SO I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF SEEING, THIS IS A TYPICAL DESIGN FOR A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
SO WHAT I THINK IS HAPPENING IS YOU'RE GOT FOUR RE YOU KNOW, UNITS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN ROOFTOP DECK, SIMILAR TO LOTS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO I DON'T SEE IT AS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
UM, ALSO I THINK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE GETTING REDUCED AND PERVIOUS COVER, WHICH IS A GREAT THING.
AND, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT KIND OF THE DIRECTION COUNCIL IS GOING, THIS IS A VERY NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY DEVELOPMENT COMPARE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ON A TRANSIT, UM, UH, MAIN TRANSIT ROAD.
UH, THERE ARE PROPOSALS TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW LESS, UM, COMPATIBILITY IMPACTS ALONG THESE ROADWAYS.
SO I THINK, UH, THIS LOOKS LIKE A REALLY SOLID, SO WHEN I'M SEEING A GOOD DEAL FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD, AS FAR AS WHAT'S ALONG 35TH STREET.
SO, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, BUT JUST, I DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE WHAT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WHAT HE POINTED OUT IS THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO ORDINANCE ISSUE CURRENTLY WITH PUTTING THIS FRUIT TUCK DECK.
UM, THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH THAT WITH REGARDS TO THE ORDINANCE.
UH, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? UH, COMMISSIONER COX.
DO ANY OTHERS HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE ANY OTHERS BEFORE WE ALLOW, UH, COMMISSIONER COX? ONE MORE QUESTION.
CAN I JUST ASK A VERY QUICK QUESTION? CAUSE I ASKED A VERY QUICK QUESTION BEFORE I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE ABOUT THE STR OR CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WAS LIKE COMMISSIONER COX MIGHT BE IN LINE THERE.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD CONCERNS ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, FOR THIS SITE AND
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IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE LANDOWNER HAD INITIALLY THOUGHT OF UNTIL THE NEIGHBORHOOD BROUGHT IT FORWARD.AND, UH, ONE OF THOSE UNITS, UM, HE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THE ABILITY TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL YEARS.
HE DOESN'T KNOW IF HE WILL USE IT, UH, THAT ONE OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE SET ASIDE PRIMARILY TO HOUSE HIS FAMILY MEMBERS THAT COME TO STAY FROM OUT OF TOWN.
BUT IN TIMES WHERE HIS FAMILY MEMBERS ARE NOT STAYING, HE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THE ABILITY TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THAT UNIT.
UM, AND WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS, UM, MAYBE THERE, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES MOST SENSE TO HAVE THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNIT BE ONE OF THE UNITS THAT'S FOR THE STAY AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE LANDOWNER, THE LANDOWNER THOUGHT THAT THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE TO HIM AS WELL.
SO THERE IS A, UM, AN AGREEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THAT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IT, BUT HE DOES WANT TO RETAIN THE ABILITY FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THIS WOULD BE A TYPE THREE SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND AS SUCH, UH, CODE PROVISIONS, UM, WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY MORE THAN ONE UNIT TO BE USED FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, JUST ROUND IT OUT, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER COX REGARDING TO THE STR JUST ONE, ONE THING ON TOP OF THAT, THAT THE CONTACT TEAM LETTER, I THINK REQUESTED SOME SORT OF CEO RELATED TO A MINIMUM STAY OF TWO WEEKS FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
AND I WASN'T SURE IF THE APPLICANT HAD AGREED TO THAT OR NOT.
AND I, IN FACT, WHEN I READ THE LETTER, I WENT BACK AND LISTENED TO THE, THE MEETING THAT THE CITY, THE CITY HOSTED MEETING, BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE, I DIDN'T REMEMBER AGREEING TO THAT.
AND SO WHEN I WENT BACK AND LISTENED TO IT, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY MENTION OF THAT IN THE MEETING EITHER.
UH, AND WHEN WE POSED IT TO THE LANDOWNER, UM, HE WOULD PREFER TO NOT, NOT KEEP, UM, ANY ENCUMBRANCES OF THAT NATURE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THERE'S NOT AN, NOT AN AGREEMENT TO HAVE THAT PUT IN PLACE.
UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UM, OKAY.
I'LL THROW ONE OUT SO WE CAN GET STARTED HERE, BUT I'M GONNA, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, SUPPORT THE REZONING FROM ELO FROM LRN P TO L O M U N P.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, UM, ITEM TWO.
SO THAT IS, THEY'RE BOTH THE RIGHT STAFF RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THIS CASE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON SECONDS THAT MOTION.
SO, UH, DO YOU WANT TO SEEK YOUR MOTION, COMMISSIONER SHANE? I THINK I'M CHAIR.
I THINK YOU'VE SUMMED IT UP REALLY WELL.
YOU KNOW, ABOUT BEING IT ON A TRANSIT CORRIDOR.
WELL, AS I'M ON THE EDGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLOSE TO TRANSIT, AND, UM, AS WE'VE SEEN ALSO WITH THE BUFFER OF IT BEING PUSHED AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY QUITE A BIT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE HANDLING, KEEPING NON-HOSPITAL SPACE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT RESTRICTED COMPONENT, 50 FEET AWAY, THAT'S GOING TO PRETTY MUCH STAY WITH IT.
THEY'RE REALLY WORKING WITH TRYING TO MAKE THIS FIT INTO THIS AREA RIGHT NEXT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, THE ISSUE WITH THE FLOODING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IS IMPERVIOUS COVERS GOING DOWN.
SO IT'S IMPROVING THAT SITUATION THERE.
WE GOT CONFIRMATION ABOUT THE SOUND ORDINANCE.
I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
UM, SO I, I, AND THE PART THAT I REALLY LIKE IS THAT THING, THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPER, I ASSUME THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE ON AS WE GO TO, TO COUNCIL.
SO I THINK THIS IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I THINK THE CONCERN WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I MEAN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO HAS TO WRITE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS WELL.
AND THIS BEING AN TECHNICALLY AN OWNER OCCUPIED SHORT-TERM RENTAL IT'S, IT'S ALMOST KIND OF LIKE A TIGHT ONE, RIGHT? LIKE, LIKE THE, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE BUILDING ARE ALSO THE HOSTS OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE SOME RANDOM, UM, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MESS UP THE PLACE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THERE IT'S LIKE, THIS IS MY PLACE.
SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S WHY I'M, UH, I'M SUPPORTING THIS.
ANY COMMISSIONERS SPEAK AGAINST THE MOTION? OKAY.
SO AGAIN, I THINK JUST BUILDING ON WHAT
I REALLY ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE THE SORT OF TODD FULLNESS
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AND EFFORT THAT HAS GONE INTO LOOKING AT THE, UM, ISSUE AROUND, UM, BERBERIS COVER AND LOOKING AT THIS FLOODING.AND I APPRECIATE THE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WILL SAY THIS MUCH, I'M SUPPORTING THIS TODAY BECAUSE THE BALCONIES ARE INCLUDED.
IF THOSE HAD NOT BEEN INCLUDED, I WAS NOT GOING TO WARD IN FAVOR OF THIS.
IT IS REALLY HURTFUL TO ME ON A PERSONAL LEVEL THAT NEIGHBORHOODS CONTINUE TO ASK FOR BALCONIES AND ROOFTOP DECKS AND ANY OUTDOOR SPACE FOR TENANTS TO BE REMOVED FROM OUR CITY.
I'VE BEEN A TENANT ALL MY LIFE, ALL THE TIME.
I LIVE WITH MY PARENTS, THEY WERE DENTISTS.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THE BALCONIES THAT I HAVE, I DON'T USE THEM TO STARE AT PEOPLE'S CHILDREN OR TO STARE INTO THEIR YARDS, OR TO LOOK INTO PEOPLE'S PERSONAL LIVES.
AS I DID THIS MORNING, I ENJOY THEM TO DRINK A CUP OF COFFEE OR TEA IN THE MORNING.
I ENJOY THEM TO ENJOY A MOONLIT NIGHT.
IT IS OBSCENE THAT WE WOULD ASK TENANTS, NOT HAVE BALCONIES 25 SQUARE FOOT OR SLIGHTLY MORE OF PERSONAL SPACE IN THE CITY, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID OF THEM LOOKING INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES, GET, WE WILL NOT LIMIT HOW BIG SOMEONE'S YARD CAN BE FROM WHICH THEY CAN EQUALLY STRAY INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES OR HOW BIG SOMEONE'S BOARD, YOUR BALCONY OR DECK OR SECOND FLOOR DECK OR BALCONY CAN BE.
WE CONTINUE TO LIMIT TENANTS AND THEIR, AND THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES AS A COMMUNITY, ARE WE FINE WITH IMPACTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF TENANTS IN THE CITY, OR ARE WE WILLING TO SUPPORT AN EQUITABLE SOCIETY HERE IN OUR CITY WHERE EVERYONE HAS EQUAL ACCESS TO OPEN SPACE, EQUAL ACCESS TO THE AIR, EQUAL ACCESS TO THE ENVIRONMENT, THESE THINGS MATTER.
AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT THOSE BALCONIES ARE IN HERE.
AND I HOPE WE CONTINUE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO SEE OUR TENANTS LOSE OUT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, ANY COMMISSIONERS, ANOTHER CHANCE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS MOTION? OTHERWISE WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, SPOT FOR SPEAKING IN FAVOR.
I'LL JUST BE REAL QUICK AND FAVOR.
SO WE HAVE TO, I WILL GRANT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND, UM, GO AHEAD AND START AND LET'S SEE WHERE WE GO.
OH, WELL WE HAVE TO, I DIDN'T SEE WHOSE HAND WAS UP FIRST, COMMISSIONER COX OR COMMISSIONER MUCH TALLER.
UH, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU BOTH CHANCES IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKING AGAINST, BY THE COMMISSIONER MITCHELL TODDLER.
UM, I, I WANTED TO PUT A PLUGIN FOR THE ROOFTOP DECK.
UM, I THINK GIVEN THE WAY THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING THE PROPERTY, I THINK THEY CAN ALSO GIVE THOUGHTFUL CONSTRUCTION TO THE ROOFTOP DECK, NOT TO DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL AND TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SPACE.
UM, I THINK ROOFTOP DECKING IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO INCREASE GREEN SPACE AND TO REDUCE HEAT ISLANDS.
SO, UM, I THINK IN THE WAY IT'S BEING DONE, IT CAN BE DONE VERY THOUGHTFULLY AND IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE SEE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD UPON, TO INCREASE OUR OUTDOOR AREA AND REDUCE OUR HEAT ISLANDS THINKS THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COX.
AND IF WE, UH, IF WE'RE BRIEF ENOUGH, WE CAN FIT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SUPPORTING THIS FOR A FEW VERY SPECIFIC REASONS FIRST AND FOREMOST, IS THAT THE DEVELOPER, THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE DEVELOPER HAS SHOWN A WILLINGNESS TO TRY TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY IMMEDIATELY STARTED TALKING ABOUT A PRIVATE, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED FROM DEVELOPERS TO, TO ACTUALLY ENGAGE IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY TO TRY TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO, TO THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES THAT THAT COMMUNITIES HAVE.
UM, THE, THE, THE SOUND ISSUE IN MY VIEW IS NOT SOUL BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T BE RELYING ON APD TO DO THIS.
I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THEIR JOB, BUT THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO SOUND COMPLAINTS TO THEY'VE GOT OTHER BETTER THINGS TO DO.
UM, AND THE, THE ISSUE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL IS, IS NOT THE BALCONIES.
IT'S NOT THE ROOFTOP DECK, IT'S THE POTENTIAL FOR THE ROOFTOP DECK TO BE COMMERCIALIZED.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S WORRIED ABOUT SOMEONE ENJOYING COFFEE ON A ROOFTOP DECK FOR, I'M SORRY TO SAY, READ WHAT THEY WROTE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LETTER.
THE, THE ISSUE IS I SEE IT AS THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS TO BE COMMERCIALIZED IN A WAY.
AND SO I KNOW OUR HANDS ARE TIED WITH WHAT WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF CEO'S.
I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING IN TERMS OF A CEO WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WOULD PASS MUSTER WITH STAFF ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
SO I'M REALLY HOPING THAT BEFORE IT HITS COUNCIL, UH, THE APPLICANT DOES MAKE AN EFFORT TO, TO, TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ROOFTOP DECK TRULY IS USED AS A RESIDENTIAL SPACE AND NOT A COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT'LL BE OUR FINAL ASSIGNMENT.
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I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT.I JUST FEEL THAT IT'S MINDBLOWING THIS CASE ISN'T BY RIGHT.
A LITTLE BIT OF OFFICE, A FEW HOMES ON A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR, A BLOCK AWAY FROM MOPAC, AND WE'RE MAKING THESE FOLKS GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS.
THIS IS BUILDING HOUSING IN AUSTIN, TEXAS AT ITS FINEST DIFFICULT.
COMMISSIONER'S LET'S GO AHEAD.
AND SO THE MOTION, UH, BY COMMISSIONER SHAY SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IN, UH, REBUTTING ON V1, THE PLAN AMENDMENT AND B2 REZONING.
IT'S, UH, BOTH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF.
UM, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE THOSE ON THE DAYAS IN FAVOR.
UH THAT'S EVERYONE AND THOSE, UM, VIRTUALLY IF I CAN SEE YOUR CARDS.
[B9. Historic Zoning: C14H-2022-0072 - Colunga House; District 1]
MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.SO WE'LL START WITH, UM, SO IN THIS CASE, UH, HELP ME FOLKS, THIS, THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN COMMISSIONERS? I'M CALLIN CONTRAREZ WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
UM, AND I WILL BE PRESENTING OUR HISTORIC ZONING CASES THIS EVENING.
UM, UH, C4 TEENAGE 22 0 0 7 2.
UM, THE CARLSON COLUMBIA HOUSE IS AN OWNER OPPOSED HISTORIC ZONING CASE AT 9 0 2 EAST SEVENTH STREET INITIATED AND RECOMMENDED BY THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UH, AFTER A RELOCATION PERMIT CAME BEFORE THEM.
AND MAY STAFF SUPPORTS THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FROM TOD NP TO TOD AND P H ON THE BASIS OF ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS AS IDENTIFIED BY THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY 9 0 2 EAST SEVENTH IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF FOLK VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURE.
AND THIS ONE STORY, EL PLAN HOUSE RETAINS A GOOD DEAL OF ITS ORIGINAL DETAILING, INCLUDING TRANSOM, WINDOWS, AND DOORS TURNED, PORCH POSTS AND GITXSAN AND SPINDLE WORK TRIM IT'S TERRORIST, LOT A STONE STAIRCASE MATCHING THE FOUNDATION SKIRTING THAT LEADS DOWN TO CONCRETE STEPS AND TO THE STREET, THE HOUSE IS BUILT AROUND 1903 BY SWEDISH CONTRACTORS, VICTOR, AND CARL CARLSON.
THEY OCCUPIED THE PROPERTY, THEN RENTED IT TO ANOTHER SWEDISH IMMIGRANT, AUGUST LINDELL BY 1914, A CONTRACTOR JASPER SHIP, AND HIS FAMILY HAD MOVED IN IN THE 1930S.
UH, THE HOMES LONGEST TERM RESIDENTS, NO, I MEAN, SHANA NOEMI GENOVIVA AND LIBERATA COLUMBA OCCUPIED THE HOME.
UM, DAUGHTERS TENNOVA AND NOEMI LIVED THERE UNTIL AT LEAST 1970, THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY RECOMMENDS THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AS A LOCAL LANDMARK INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AND CONTRIBUTING TO POTENTIAL LOCAL AND NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
I'LL WAIT HERE FROM MR. NICK CASTELLO.
I'LL TRY AND GET THROUGH THIS KIND OF QUICK.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND LISTENING TO OUR CASE.
UM, I REPRESENT THE OWNER WHO, UH, IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE HISTORIC ZONING DESIGNATION, AND I WANT TO GO OVER THE PROPERTY EVALUATION AND A DESIGNATION CRITERIA FOR THE HISTORIC LANDMARK THAT IS BASED ON THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY AND SHOW THAT OUR PROPERTY, UH, DOES NOT MEET THAT CRITERIA.
UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE LANDSCAPE FEATURE, WHICH, UH, THE SURVEY STATES THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT NATURAL OR DESIGNED LANDSCAPE WITH ARTISTIC AESTHETIC CULTURAL OR HISTORICAL VALUE TO THE CITY.
SO FIRST, UH, IN THE EAST AUSTIN SURVEY, IT STATES THAT THE LANDSCAPE HAS ACTUAL NO, UH, FEATURE OF, OF SIGNIFICANCE.
THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, COMMUNITY VALUE.
UH, THE SURVEY STATES THAT THE PROPERTY DOES NOT POSSESS A UNIQUE LOCATION, PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTIC OR SIGNIFICANT FEATURE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE CHARACTER IMAGE OR CULTURAL IDENTITY OF THE CITY, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR A PARTICULAR DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP.
UH, SO ALL IN ALL THE PROPERTY HAS NO COMMUNITY VALUE TO THE CITY IS WHAT THE EAST AUSTIN HISTORIC SURVEY, UM, ALSO SAYS THE NEXT ONE IS ARCHEOLOGY.
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THE SURVEY ALSO STATES THAT THE PROPERTY WAS NOT EVALUATED FOR ITS POTENTIAL YIELD TO SIGNIFICANT DATA CONCERNING THE HUMAN HISTORY OR PREHISTORY OF THE REGION.UH, SO THERE WERE NO ACTUAL ARCHEOLOGICAL FINDINGS OF WHO WAS THERE.
UM, HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION, UM, IS ANOTHER PART OF THIS DESIGNATION, ACCORDING TO THE EAST AUSTIN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY, BACK IN 2016, THE PROPERTY WAS ASSOCIATED WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE AREA.
UM, IF YOU, UH, I LOOK AT ACTUALLY GO TO THE NEXT ONE CAUSE YET WE'VE BEEN GRAFFITIED ON THE FRONT.
SO WE LOOKED SIMILAR TO THE ONE NEXT DOOR.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RIGHT HERE, IT'S A DRONE SHOT THAT, UH, OF THE BLOCK THAT IT'S ON.
AND IF YOU, UM, LOOK, UH, JUST IN THE TOP SECTION, THERE'S A 24,000 SQUARE FOOT DEVELOPMENT BOUTIQUE OFFICE SITE.
THAT'S GOING UP ALONG WITH VARIOUS OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALL ALONG THE EAST SEVENTH STREET.
THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT IS RELATIVELY SIMILAR IS ACTUALLY OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS NOW A TEAR DOWN.
AND, UM, IT HAS BEEN GIVEN AN R 6, 4, 5 DEMOLITION PERMIT.
UM, SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S UH, IN THE PROCESS OF BEING, UM, COMPLETELY TAKEN DOWN, UH, BACK IN 2016, WHEN THE SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED, UH, MAYBE THERE WERE REMNANTS OF HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION, BUT SINCE THAT SURVEY WAS DONE, SIX YEARS AGO, TIME HAS PASSED AND THE CITY HAS CHANGED AND THERE WAS NO LONGER ANY HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PROPERTY IN THE SPECIFIC AREA.
UM, THEN GOING DOWN TO THE NEXT DESIGNATION, WHICH IS ARCHITECTURE, ACCORDING TO THE EAST AUSTIN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY, THE BUILDING IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF FOLK VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURE, BUT IN 1970, WHICH IF YOU LOOK ON THE MLS, THAT'S WHAT THE TAX RECORDS SAY.
WE KNOW IT DATES BACK FURTHER, BUT THERE WERE MANY ADDITIONS AND CHANGES TO THE HOUSE THAT NO LONGER MAKE IT A GOOD EXAMPLE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE INTERIOR, WHICH THE, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME YEARS AGO, THE KITCHEN AND BATHROOM WERE, WERE RENOVATED.
AND HALF OF THE HOME NO LONGER HAVE THE, HAS THE SAME FLOORING, UH, THE BRICK AND THE CHIMNEY IS CRACKING.
THE SHUTTERS ARE FALLING OFF, WHICH THE SURVEY SAYS THAT THE SHUTTERS ARE OPERABLE, WHICH I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT THEY ARE NOT, UH, THERE IS VISIBLE WATER DAMAGE THROUGHOUT THE HIDDEN SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND LOTS OF WOOD ROT.
UH, IT'S SAFE TO SAY TO ME THAT IT DOESN'T ANYMORE, UH, SEEMED LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF FOLK VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURE.
UM, UH, ANOTHER DESIGNATION JUST CAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS AND THEN HAVE ENOUGH TIME AS THE BUILDING APPEARS TO RETAIN, TO HAVE A HIGH INTEGRITY.
AND AFTER GOING THROUGH THESE POINTS, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPE FEATURES, NO COMMUNITY VALUE, NO ARCHEOLOGY, NO HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION ANYMORE, AND LITTLE TO NO RELEVANT ARCHITECTURE LEFT.
UM, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T HA RETAIN HIGH INTEGRITY.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING IS THAT THE BUILDING IS MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD, WHICH IN FACT, UH, THE ONLY DESIGNATION CRITERIA THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS IS THAT IT IS OVER 50 YEARS OLD.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I AM REPRESENTING THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE HISTORIC ZONING AND FEEL THAT THERE IS REALLY NO CASE FOR IT.
WE'LL KNOW IF YOU'RE FROM PROMO.
THE APPLICANT WILL FORGO REBUTTAL CHAIR.
THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S IN THE DIOCESE AND THAT WAS ON THE SCREEN.
UM, SO WHO WANTS TO START WITH THE QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE ANY, UH, VICE CHAIR AND FULL HI, I HAD A QUESTION FOR, I, I THINK IT'S THE APPLICANT, UM, AND IN READING THROUGH, OR, OR, UM, STATING YOUR POSITION, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS ONCE HISTORY, BUT SIX YEARS LATER, THE, THE, UH, THE HISTORICAL SURVEY THAT WAS DONE, ISN'T VALID.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A STORY OF A FAMILY AND HISTORY HAPPENING ON THIS SITE, THAT DOESN'T QUITE GO AWAY.
I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTIES WITH RENOVATING, BUT IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, VICE-CHAIR OF THE APPLICANT YOU WANT THIS CITY, UH, THE CITY IS
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THE APPLICANT OF THE OWNER'S REP.UH, WELL WHAT'S BEING STATED IS THAT THERE, THERE IS SOME HISTORY OF PEOPLE LIVING THERE, BUT THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT, UH, ARCHEOLOGY WITH, WITH IT.
LIKE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY THAT LIVED THERE AND WE KNOW THEIR NAME, BUT WE DON'T KNOW MUCH OTHER THAN THAT.
SO THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT ARCHEOLOGY IS WHAT ESSENTIALLY, UH, IT ACTUALLY STATES IN THE, THE EAST AUSTIN SURVEY.
DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THAT AT ALL? IF YOU DON'T IT'S OKAY.
YEAH, IT SAYS THAT THE SURVEY STATES THAT THE PROPERTY WAS NOT EVALUATED FOR ITS POTENTIAL, UH, TO YIELD SIGNIFICANT DATA CONCERNING THE HUMAN HISTORY OR PRE-HISTORY OF THE REGION.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE KNOW THEIR NAMES, BUT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THEM.
AND THEN FOR THE CITY, UM, MS. CONTRAREZ, UM, IS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, ANY RESPONSE TO THAT? UM, YES, VICE CHAIR.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THE, UH, THE CRITERIA A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN SURVEY, UM, SAID THAT THIS BUILDING MEETS TWO CRITERIA ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS, UM, FOR HISTORIC LAND MARKING, UM, A PROPERTY MUST MEET TWO OUT OF FIVE.
UM, SO THOSE WERE THE TWO THEY CHOSE.
UM, THE HISTORIC ASSOCIATION CRITERIA, UH, CRITERIA IS, UM, IN THIS CASE, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF HOW THE RESIDENTS MOVED THROUGH, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PART OF EAST AUSTIN AND THE ROLE THAT THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE AND THESE PARTICULAR FAMILIES, UM, PLAYED IN THAT.
UM, SO THIS HOUSE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE OVERARCHING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE EARLY SCANDINAVIAN IMMIGRANTS GIVING AWAY TO, UM, LATER MEXICAN AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS, UM, WHICH OCCURRED ALONG THESE, UM, LARGE STREETS IN EAST AUSTIN.
DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? YEAH.
AND IF I HAVE TIME LEFT, CAUSE I CAN'T HEAR THE BUZZER, BUT, UM, THE, THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR GOT A DEMO PERMIT IT, BUT IS THAT, WAS THAT ONE ON THE HISTORIC, UM, STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2016? OR IF NOT, WHY, WHY WAS THAT ONE NOT INCLUDED? IT WAS, UM, AND I DON'T HAVE THE, UH, THE SURVEY FOR THAT PROPERTY TO HAND.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS FLAGGED AND, UM, I THINK, AND I CAN CHECK ON THIS FOR YOU.
UM, IT WAS AN ERROR THAT, UH, KEPT IT FROM GETTING TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION IN A TIMELY MANNER.
UM, SO WE WERE NOT ABLE TO TAKE THAT PROPERTY, UH, WITHIN THE 60 DAYS ALLOTTED.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER.
UH, AND, UH, I THINK THIS QUESTION IS FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT CITY STAFF, UM, THE, UM, THE OWNER TALKED A BIT ABOUT, UH, THE 2016, THESE TALKS IN SURVEY.
SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, UH, IS THE BASIS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, THE SURVEY, OR WAS THERE ADDITIONAL, UM, TESTIMONY OR DISCUSSION TO, UH, SORT OF FURTHER FLUSH OUT WHAT WAS IN THE SURVEY OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT? LIKE WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION? IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH COMMISSIONER.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, FROM THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, UM, WAS TO CONCUR WITH THE, UM, THE SURVEY RESULTS.
UM, SO THEY AGREE WITH BOTH THE CRITERIA THAT THE, UH, THAT THE SURVEY IDENTIFIED, UM, AS MEETING THE, UH, THE DESIGNATION REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO THE COMMISSION, UM, AGREED THAT THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY, UM, AND THEY AGREED THAT THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT IT EXEMPLIFIES ARE, UM, VALUABLE AS A HISTORIC ASSOCIATION.
AND, UH, I GUESS I CAN ASK YOU, OR THE, UM, THE OWNER'S REP IS THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY OCCUPIED
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IT IS I'M RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A RESTAURANT CALLED GABRIELA'S DOWNTOWN AND THEY USE IT AS STORAGE SPACE ACTUALLY.SO RECENTLY, WHICH I DIDN'T BRING THE PICTURES.
UM, IT WAS, UH, LOTS OF IT'S, IT'S NOT OCCUPIED, IT'S OCCUPIED WITH THINGS.
SO THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO CONSTANTLY SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I HATE TO BRING THE TENANT IN TO THIS SPECIFICALLY, BUT, UM, WHEN WE WALKED THE PROPERTY, IT DIDN'T LOOK AS GOOD AS IT DID BEFORE.
UM, AND SO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT A LOT OF THIS DATA WAS BROUGHT BACK IN 2016, SIX YEARS LATER, A WHOLE LOT HAS CHANGED WITH THE PROPERTY AND CHANGE WHAT THEY AREA.
I THINK I KNOW THAT I'M PRETTY SURE I'VE BEEN BY THE HOUSE A MILLION TIMES.
UM, AND FROM THE PICTURES, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE SHUTTERS AREN'T WORKING, BUT IN REASONABLE SHAPE, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S READY TO BE DEMOLISHED.
AND YOU GUYS, AREN'T ASKING FOR DEMOLITION PERMIT, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT, AND, AND TOOK IT IN AND TO CLARIFY A LITTLE, WELL, ORIGINALLY WE WERE GOING TO RELOCATE IT.
ONCE WE STARTED DIGGING INTO THE NUMBERS, THERE ARE A LOT OF COSTS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT AND TAKING IT ON THE BACK OF A SEMI SOMEWHERE.
IT COULD POSSIBLY FALL APART, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT A RISK WE WERE WILLING TO TAKE.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY BY ANY MEANS, BUT, UH, MAKING IT HISTORIC WOULD TIE OUR HANDS IN, IN MANY WAYS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE POSSIBLE SALE OF THE ENTITY OR NEW RENOVATIONS, IF WE DID WANT TO MAKE THIS THING LOOK BETTER, UH, BUT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ASSET WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD LIKE TO BE, UH, WORKED FOR US AND NOT AGAINST US, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND, AND THERE JUST ISN'T ENOUGH DATA HERE, SIX YEARS LATER TO MAKE A CASE TO DEEM IT HISTORIC IS HOW WE FEEL.
UH, IF, IF, IF COUNCIL WORKED TO DENY THIS MOTION, THOUGH, THEN YOU COULD JUST DEMOLISH IT.
I CAN EITHER, YOU'RE A LITTLE MUFFLED.
IF, IF CAMP COUNCIL WERE TO ULTIMATELY DECIDE AGAINST HISTORIC DESIGNATION, YOU COULD SIMPLY DEMOLISH IT, RIGHT.
YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING FOR IT.
I MEAN, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO DEMOLISH IT OFF TOP.
AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE IF, IF WE WERE GOING TO DEMOLISH IT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS SOMETHING POSSIBLY TO BE SALVAGED THERE IN MANY WAYS.
SO I DON'T SEE IT AS A TEAR DOWN, BUT IT DOESN'T, THERE ARE ISSUES IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
IT'S PAST ITS PRIME IN MANY WAYS, BUT, BUT THOSE ARE NOT OUR, THOSE, AREN'T OUR INTENTIONS.
LOOKING AROUND, UH, LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER SHAY, AND THEN IF THERE IS, ARE I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THE CITY SO, UM, I GUESS IT'S NICE TO HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, HIS ATTITUDE IS NOT TO, HEY, THIS IS A TEAR DOWN, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THERE IS A DESIRE TO FIND AND SEARCH FOR SOME TYPE OF VIABILITY ECONOMIC VULNERABILITY AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE WITH, UM, THIS PROPERTY AND POSSIBLY MANY OTHERS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS.
AND I KNOW WITH, UM, UNDER THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND WORKING WITH THE CITY ON IT, I MEAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD HELP EVERYBODY KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN BE DONE UNDER, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, UM, YOU KNOW, ON STUFF LIKE THIS.
I'VE I HAVE PERSONALLY DONE PROJECTS THAT ARE HISTORIC LANDMARKS AND WE'VE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE VIABLE PRODUCTS, YOU KNOW, AND BEAUTIFUL PROJECTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO BE PART OF A COMMUNITY.
BUT I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FEARFUL WHEN THEY SEE THAT WHAT AN H MEANS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ADDED SECOND STORIES, WE ADDED MODERN TOUCHES.
AND IF YOU CAN HELP KIND OF EXPLAIN SOME OF THAT.
SO, UM, THOSE OF US WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT CAN, CAN HELP UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, SO, UH, PARTIAL DEMOLITION IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY CONSIDER, UM, AT STAFF AND COMMISSION LEVEL, UM, ADDING ONTO THE REAR OF A HISTORIC BUILDING IS AN ABSOLUTELY VIABLE WAY, UM, TO MAINTAIN THE FRONT, UM, THE FACADE, THE, UH, EXISTING FORM OF A PROPERTY WHILE ALSO, UM, EXPANDING ON A LOT OR MAXIMIZING ITS POTENTIAL FOR OTHER USES.
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SO WITH H ZONING, UM, THERE WOULD RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT YOU COULD DO, UM, AS FAR AS ALTERING THE HISTORIC APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN WORK AROUND IT.UM, AND WE'D BE WILLING TO WORK, UM, WITH THE OWNERS ON THAT TOO.
AND WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE FRONT, I MEAN, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE, UM, ESPECIALLY ON ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES IN THESE, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL AREAS, CORE, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT QUARTERS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN IF YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL PARKING BECOMES AN ISSUE.
SO WHEN, LIKE, WHEN YOU SAID WE COULD ADD ONTO THE BACK, LIKE, AND CHANGE UP THE BACK, KEEP THE FACADE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHERE'S THAT LINE, LIKE, WHERE CAN YOU ADD ON A SECOND FLOOR? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT FIGURE IT OUT? YOU KNOW, CAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS MAYBE YOU GOT TO MAKE ROOM FOR PARKING, POP IT UP.
I MEAN, HOW HAS THAT WORKED OUT WITH, THROUGH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AS WELL AS THROUGH THE CITY, BECAUSE YOU TECHNICALLY WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE, MOVE UP, GET MORE OPEN SPACE.
IT'S REALLY CASE BY CASE, UM, IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS KIND OF A LESS RESTRICTIVE ZONING DESIGNATION, UH, 15 FEET BACK IS KIND OF THE RULE OF THUMB WITH HISTORIC LANDMARKS.
UM, GENERALLY WE LIKE TO SEE THINGS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK, UM, SO THAT THEY DON'T OVERPOWER THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE, UM, THE TRIGGER POINT IS THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO DECIDE WHAT DOES AND DOES NOT OVERPOWER.
UM, WHAT'S THERE, UM, AND KIND OF TAKE AWAY FROM THAT HISTORIC APPEARANCE.
SO IT'S CASE BY CASE, DEPENDING ON THE BUILDING.
IT DEPENDS ON THE BUILDING FORM YOUR LOT.
AND THEN THE INTERIOR DOES IT'S FREE FOR ALL, IS THAT CORRECT? OH, YES.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WINDOWS, UM, WHICH RECONSIDER EXTERIOR, UM, AND DOORS.
UM, BUT THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.
I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO COME BACK.
YOU JUST SHARED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SORT OF THE AGE ZONING NEXT DOOR.
CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DOING HISTORIC ZONING FOR OTHER PARCELS NEARBY OR WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THIS PROPERTY? UM, YES, COMMISSIONER, UM, THE AGE ZONING WOULD APPLY ONLY TO THE, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, THIS ONE PARCEL, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYTHING AROUND IT.
AND DO WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES NEARBY THAT ARE ALREADY HAD THE H DESIGNATION? I THINK WE DO THERE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW I'M IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO I GUESS WHAT, AND THIS IS PART OF LIKE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS YOU SAID, IT'S PART OF THE SURVEY, THE SURVEY IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA, WHICH WERE CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT.
UM, ONE FOLLOWUP QUESTION THAT WE'LL ASK IS, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT, WHAT HAPPENED IN THE TIME THIS SURVEY WAS DONE TO BRINGING THE CASE FORWARD WITH THE H DESIGNATION? UM, YOU KNOW, I READ IN THE STAFF BACKUP VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME LOSS OF LIKE THE WINDOWS, SOME OF THE SHUTTERS.
UM, CAN YOU SPEAK A BIT ABOUT THAT SORT OF DELAYING COMING FORWARD AS AN H UM, ZONING? UM, SURE.
I THINK, UM, SO SINCE THE SURVEY THERE'S BEEN, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF FABRIC LOSS FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, THERE'S ONE WINDOW THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN CHANGED OUT.
UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WEIGH, UM, WITH WHAT'S THERE.
UM, IN THIS CASE, GIVEN HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING IS STILL INTACT.
UM, WE WERE CONFIDENT THAT, THAT IT STILL MET THE INTEGRITY THRESHOLD.
I THINK I'VE JUST RUN OUT OF MY TIME, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS LOOKING AROUND, UH, COMMISSIONER TUFTS? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION AGAIN FOR STAFF, SORRY.
I GUESS I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW THE WHOLE PROCESS GOT STARTED IN THE SENSE OF IF IT WASN'T NO ONE'S ASKING FOR A DEMOLITION AND NO ONE'S ASKING FOR, UH, AND IF IT'S NOT OWNER INITIATED, SO THIS CASE CAME BEFORE THE HISTORICALLY MARK COMMISSION HAS A RELOCATION.
I'M SURE IT WAS ORIGINALLY A RELOCATION AND IT JUST THAT THE OWNER SAYING THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT NOW.
UM, THE COMMISSION SAID THAT LOSING THIS BUILDING WOULD BE NEGATIVE IMPACT BECAUSE IT MEETS THESE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
AND JUST GIVE ME A, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE EAST AUSTIN SURVEY RIGHT NOW AND THE LAND MARK RECOMMENDATIONS, LIKE PER BLOCK IN THIS AREA.
HOW MANY PROPERTIES DO YOU THINK THERE ARE? NO, PROBABLY A LOT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO HAND, BUT ABOUT A GOOD PERSON.
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WOULD YOU BE YOUR GUESTS OF EAST SEVENTH STREET FOR INSTANCE WOULD BE HOW MANY, HOW OH, QUALIFY.UM, GOSH, WITHOUT HAVING THE INTEGRITY, UM, ASSESSMENTS IN FRONT OF ME, I'M NOT SURE IT'D BE ABLE TO ESTIMATE THAT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT AND I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE SEVERAL ON EVERY BLOCK, UM, THAT THE CITY WOULD OPPOSE DEMOLITION OF.
I MEAN, IF THEY SERVE, I SAID IT YOU'RE BASICALLY GONNA, IT'LL DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH, BUT IF THE SURVEY CAME OUT IN 2016 SAYING WE RECOMMEND THESE AS RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT THE CITY WOULD FIGHT FOR THOSE, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WE TRY AND USE THE INFORMATION GIVEN TO US IN THE SURVEY, BUT IT IS FROM 2016.
SO, UM, WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL EACH YEAR AS, UM, AS TIME GOES ON.
UM, AND, UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO WHETHER OR NOT THE, UH, THE CRITERIA, UM, ARE, ARE THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE JUST TAKE A LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE SURVEY RECOMMENDATION AND SEND IT ON THROUGH.
UM, THEY'RE ALL VETTED FIRST BY STAFF AND THEN THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY TAKES A VOTE TO SEND IT ON TO YOU ALL AND COUNCIL.
UM, WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF SPOTS IF, UH, IT'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, INSTRUMENTS, TODDLER FOR THE OWNER.
UM, WHEN DID THE OWNER ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY? WHAT YEAR IF YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE? UH, 2019, I WASN'T WITH THE COMPANY AT THE TIME, SO I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE PURCHASE ALONE, BUT I DO KNOW IT WAS ROUGHLY AROUND 2019.
UM, IN THE OWNER WAS LOOKING TO RELOCATE THAT HOME, DECIDED AGAINST IT DUE TO CONCERNS, COSTS DAMAGE TO THE HOME, ET CETERA.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE, AND IT'S NOT OWNER OCCUPIED AT THE MOMENT.
ARE THERE ANY CARE PLANS FOR THIS SITE THAT THE OWNER HAS AT THE MOMENT OR JUST SITTING ON? THE FIRST THING IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY IS VERY POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A FRONT RUNNER, UM, MAKE IT LOOK NICER AND BE ABLE TO, TO, TO SELL IT MORE THAN LIKELY.
UM, WE, UM, YEAH, THAT'S THE THING, THAT'S THE MAIN OBJECTIVE RIGHT NOW.
AND TO HAVE THE HISTORIC ZONING, WE FEEL LIKE CAN VERY DEVALUE AND LIMIT THAT MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE OUR HANDS TIED AND MANY MORE WAYS MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE, THE RESTRICTIONS ARE, ARE A LOT MORE STRINGENT THAN JUST, HEY, UH, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU.
YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF A WHOLE, ANOTHER COMMISSION AND SPENDING MAN HOURS OF RESEARCH FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, SPEECHES AND, AND GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND IT, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS.
SO WE WILL WORK WITH YOU AS VERY FEELS A LITTLE TOO FAR OUT THERE AS FAR AS A RISK STANDPOINT GOES.
SO THAT'S WHY WE FEEL LIKE IT WILL HURT US AND, AND, AND THE DATA FOR US SHOWS IT'S OUTDATED AND IT DOESN'T HOLD UP.
UM, AND THEN FOR CITY STAFF, IF I HAD ANY TIME LEFT, CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE INTERIOR CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY? DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE INTERIOR CONDITION AND REHAB ON THE PROPERTY OR ORIGINALITY ON THE INSIDE? UM, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
WE DON'T ASSESS INTERIORS AT ALL.
UM, JUST EXTERIOR, THE INTERIOR DOES NOT WEIGH IN TO OUR, UM, DETERMINATION.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
AND I HAVE WALKED THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE INTERIOR, DO WE WANT TO LET HER KNOW THAT APPLICANT MIGHT HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF CONDITION? OH, COMMISSIONER MOOSE TODDLER, I GUESS.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO CHECK THAT THE APPLICANT CITY HAS MORE INFORMATION ON THE INTERIOR CONDITION, UM, FROM THE OWNER OF THE CITY? I'M SORRY, THE CITY, THE APPLICANT.
OH, I'M SAYING WE'RE GETTING SWITCHED HERE.
UH, EITHER, UH, I GUESS THE OWNER'S REP, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY MORE INFORMATION TO HELP COMMISSION? UH, THE BATHROOM HAS GONE THROUGH IT, MAINLY IT'S FLOORING.
THE FLOORING HAS BEEN CHANGED AND THE KITCHEN HAS GONE THROUGH A COMPLETELY
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NEW RENOVATION.SO IF YOU WERE TO SEE A PICTURE OF THE WHOLE KITCHEN, THERE'S A BRAND NEW DISHWASHER IN THERE, BRAND NEW FRIDGE, THE CABINETS HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY CHANGED AND THE ENTIRE ASSET IS 860 SQUARE FEET.
AND ABOUT, I WANT TO SAY 400 SQUARE FEET OF THE FLOORING HAS BEEN CHANGED TO TILE.
SO THE KITCHEN IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT ONCE WAS.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED ON THE INTERIOR.
AND THERE IS A PORTION OF THE BACK PART THAT WAS AN ADD ON IN 1970, WHERE YOU WALK THROUGH THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT, I WANT TO SAY 50 SQUARE FEET OF AN ENTRANCE THAT WAS ADDED ONTO, SO THAT'S ALSO NOT ORIGINAL.
TWO MORE SPOTS IF WE WANT TO USE THEM.
UM, I DO HAVE A ONE QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF IS, UM, WE HAVE THE RIGHT STAFF HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT I NOTICED THIS IS IN A TOD.
UH, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL? IS IT JUST, IS THERE ONLY, UH, THE ABILITY TO BUILD ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OR IT CAN MORE BE DONE ON THIS LOT IF THEY, UH, WERE TO, WHAT ARE THE LIMITS ON DEVELOPMENT? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, BUT, UM, THAT IS NOT MY, UH, MY WHEEL HOUSE.
SO I CAN, I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T ANSWER IT FOR YOU, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING I NOTICED.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS THERE.
UH, THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS.
YOU'RE GOING TO PUT PERMISSIONS THE MOTION, MR. SHAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION AND AGAIN, WILL AT LEAST GET THE DISCUSSIONS GOING, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT, UM, HISTORIC ZONING STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE MOST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
UH, SECOND BY, I'M NOT SURE WHO THAT'S.
I THINK THAT'S NOT COMMISSIONER COX.
AND FIRST I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER SHANK.
SO WHEN I SAW THE PICTURE OF THIS HOUSE, I WAS LIKE, OH, I KNOW THAT HOUSE BECAUSE WHEN I DRIVE DOWN SEVENTH STREET, THAT WAS LIKE ONE OF THE NICE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST BUILDINGS I SEE IT.
I MEAN, I USED TO WORK ON SEVENTH STREET ON AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM, AND THEN I WOULD KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE ON THAT LEFT SIDE, I WAS LIKE GOING UP TO THE OFFICE OF EACH OF THESE HOMES.
AND THAT'S HOW I KNOW THIS HOUSE.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HISTORIC ZONING, A LOT OF IT IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC? I MEAN, DOES IT PRESENT SOMETHING TO ALL OF US? I MEAN, IT HAS TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK AND THROUGH ALL THE YEARS OF MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER, I'VE BEEN WORKING AT THIS, STARTING WORKING AT THIS ARCHITECTURE FIRM.
THIS WAS MY FIRST INTRODUCTION OF WALKING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET, GOING TO THE GREEN AND WHITE LOOKING AT THESE HOUSES.
IT DID GIVE ME THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
IT DID GIVE ME THAT SENSE OF PLACE AND HISTORY.
AND SO TO ME, I'M LIKE, THIS IS ONE THAT, THAT IS MEANINGFUL ALREADY TO THE PUBLIC, UH, AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR, EVEN FROM THE APP, UH, EVEN TO THE, FROM THE OWNER THAT HE SAID, THIS IS NOT A TEAR DOWN.
AND IF THIS IS NOT A TEAR DOWN, THEN THIS IS AN, THIS BECOMES AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND FOR ME, HAVING HAD DONE, UH, HISTORIC PROJECTS WITH HISTORIC LANDMARK AND BEEN ABLE TO TURN IT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, YOU KNOW, I CAN ATTEST, YES, YOU'VE GOTTA WORK WITH THE COMMISSION.
YOU GOT TO WORK WITH THE CITY, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WAS ECONOMICALLY VIABLE WITH HISTORIC LANDMARK.
WE HAD, YOU KNOW, NEW ADDITION ON THE BACK, WE ADDED A SECOND FLOOR TO IT AND WE TURNED IT INTO OFFICES.
AND THAT'S WHERE I COME FROM ON THIS THING.
AND, UM, AND AGAIN, IN OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, IN THE HISTORIC, WE SAY, WHO IS THAT? IS THAT ONE PERSON HISTORIC WAS, HE WAS THAT ONE PERSON, THE SPECIAL PERSON TO GIVE THEM TO, TO MAKE THIS HISTORIC, BUT THE, BUT WE FORGET THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT THIS THING HAS STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOW IT HAS THE IDENTITY TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, VERSUS JUST A SINGULAR, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I AM WITH MY MOTION ON THIS.
YOU MENTIONED HER SPEAKING AGAINST THE MOTION.
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.
UM, LET'S START WITH THOSE IN FAVOR ON THE DYESS.
UH, AND THOSE IN FAVOR ON, UH, VIRTUALLY.
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ARE THE DIETS THAT ARE AGAINST THIS MOTION.SO THAT MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO TWO.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SIDE.
UM, UH, WELL LET'S REAL QUICK.
DID SYDNEY, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK COMMISSIONERS? IT'S JUST, I THINK LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
TRY TO GET BACK HERE BY 7 46 AND DID BY
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THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION AFTER A DEMOLITION PERMIT CAME BEFORE THEM EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, STOPPED SUPPORTS THE LANDMARK COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDED ZONING CHANGE, UM, FROM CSM U C O M P TO SEE US M U C O N P H.UM, AND THAT'S A CORRECTION OF DCS ONE THAT'S LISTED IN YOUR BACKUP.
UM, AND THAT'S ONLY CHANGE WAS RECOMMENDED ON THE BASIS OF ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AND HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS.
UM, AND THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN SURVEY, UM, AGREED OR IDENTIFIED IT AS SUCH, UM, THIS HOUSE EMBODIES THE DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
IT IS ONE STORY BUILT AROUND 1925, AND IT RETAINS A NUMBER OF CRAFTSMAN DETAILS SUCH AS TRIANGULAR BRACKETS, DECORATIVE BRICK, PEER SUPPORTING TAPER COLUMNS, A UNIQUE WESTERN STICK STYLE PORT TRAILING AND EXPANSIVE WOOD WINDOW ASSEMBLIES.
THE PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH BIRTH AND TOFI PALASHA WHOSE LONG STANDING BUSINESS CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO AUSTIN COMMERCE.
FALASHA PRODUCE WAS AN ESTABLISHED BUSINESS BY THE TIME THE FAMILY OCCUPIED THIS HOUSE IN 1927, AND IT LATER PICKED UP STATE CONTRACTS AS A MEAT AND PRODUCE PROVIDER, UH, BECOMING ONE OF THE LARGEST IN TEXAS.
THE BUILDING APPEARS TO RETAIN INTEGRITY, UM, AND IS RECOMMENDED ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL DESIGNATION, UM, BY THAT 2016 SURVEY.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS VICTORIA.
HASI ON BEHALF OF THE LANDOWNER.
UM, SO THIS CASE IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, BECAUSE OF ITS ASSOCIATION WITH THE BELLAGIO PRODUCE COMPANY, UH, THE BELLAGIO PRODUCE COMPANY WAS ONE OF MANY THAT SERVED AUSTINITES WITH PRODUCE AND OTHER HOUSEHOLD GOODS.
I'M WAITING FOR THE PRESENTATION.
YOU CAN GO IN ADVANCE TO THE SECOND SIDE OKAY.
SO THIS 19, THIS 1894 STATESMAN ARTICLE LISTS, MANY PREDECESSORS SUPPLIERS AND GROCERS THAT WERE AWARDED GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS, SERVING STATE INSTITUTIONS OF THE TIME.
THEREFORE, THEREFORE BELLAGIO PRODUCE COMPANY WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE FIRST NOR THE OLDEST TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF AUSTIN OR THE STATE OF TEXAS.
NEXT SLIDE, AS PER THIS 1910 ARTICLE AND ATTEMPT TO GIVE ANY ONE AGENCY SOLE CREDIT FOR THE PROGRESSIVE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MARKED AUSTIN GROWTH IN AUSTIN WOULD BE UNFAIR.
EVEN IF NOT THE PRODUCE COMPANY IS THE DRIVER OF SIGNIFICANCE.
AND THEREFORE THE MOST MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESERVATION OF THE STORE BUILDING AT 5 0 5 EAST FIFTH STREET.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS ZERO REGARD OR CONCERN FOR PRESERVATION WHEN THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS TO MAKE WAY FOR THE AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL, UNDERSTANDABLY IT IS UNREALISTIC AND EVEN IRRESPONSIBLE TO MANDATE PRESERVATION OF ALL BUSINESSES AND HOMES, INSTRUCTORS THAT PLAYED A PART BECAUSE IN REALITY, EVERY STRUCTURE PLAYS A PART TO SOME DEGREE.
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DEGREE DOES THIS CASE HOLD AND ARE THE PIECES QUALIFYING THIS PROPERTY? GOOD EXAMPLES THAT WEREN'T PRESERVATION.
THE SUBJECT TRACT FIRST APPEARED ON THE 1900 SANDBORNE MAP LATER VERSION SHOWED THE EVOLUTION OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT THROUGH THE DECADES.
AND WITH ABSENCE OF HISTORIC PHOTOS, UH, ARCHITECTURAL EXPLORATION PROVIDED THIS CURL CHRONOLOGICAL SUMMATION OF THE VARIOUS ADDITIONS WITH THE WHITE BOX BEING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
THE STRUCTURE SEEN TODAY DWARFS THE ORIGINAL 1900 STRUCTURE IN COMPARISON, WHICH WAS ONCE A SHOTGUN STYLE HOUSE, SIMILAR TO NEARBY PROPERTIES THAT SEEM TO HAVE GREATER INTEGRITY.
NEXT SLIDE, ONCE EXTERIOR WALLS, THE REAR AND WESTERN ELEVATIONS BECAME INTERIOR WITH THE FIRST BIG EDITION.
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NEXT SLIDE, THE CONCRETE PORCH SCENE TODAY IS UNCHARACTERISTIC OF 19 HUNDREDS CONSTRUCTION AND IS ESTIMATED TO HAVE BEEN ADDED IN THE 1930S OR LATER.UH, IT IS A, UH, CONCRETE FOUNDATION THAT, OH, AS I MENTIONED, UNCHARACTERISTIC IN ANY ATTEMPT AT RESTORATION WOULD REQUIRE THE PORCH TO BE COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCTED WITH NEW MATERIALS.
NEXT SLIDE, THE FINAL AND MOST RECENT RENOVATION WAS NECESSITATED BY SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION IN THE EARLY 1980S, UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF FRANCIS ON SALVADOR RODRIGUEZ, THANKS TO FUNDING FROM THE AUSTIN BOARD OF REALTORS AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THE CITY'S FUNDING OF THE RENOVATION WAS NOT PREDICATED ON ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, BUT RATHER ON THE VERY POOR CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE CHARGE FOR COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS THE ONLY PICTURE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RECOVER IN OUR RESEARCH.
NEXT SLIDE, THE ROOF WAS PART OF THE 1983 RENOVATION AND IS NOW ONE OF MANY ELEMENTS IN COMPLETE DISREPAIR.
THESE ARE SOME IMAGES THAT PROVIDE VISUAL REFERENCE TO THE ADDITIONS OVER TIME.
THE LANDOWNER ACHIEVED TWO INDEPENDENT STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENTS, BOTH DOCUMENTING THE SEVERE STATE OF DETERIORATION.
AND BOTH REPORTS SURMISE THAT DUE TO DECADES OF NEGLECT AND ATTEMPT AT RESTORATION WOULD REQUIRE REPLACEMENT OF MOST OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC AND UNDERTAKING OF THIS MAGNITUDE WOULD NOT ONLY BE COST PROHIBITIVE, BUT WOULD RESULT IN NEARLY A COMPLETE REBUILD OF WHAT ONCE WAS.
SO IS IT WORTH THE EFFORT TO REQUIRE PRESERVATION WHEN THE END RESULT WILL BE A RECREATION? NEXT SLIDE, FINALLY TOUCHING ON ECONOMICS AND FEASIBILITY, THE LANDOWNER HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE FINANCING FOR SUCH AN ENDEAVOR, MUCH LESS AN INSURANCE POLICY DUE TO CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE.
THEY WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE A VERY TEMPORARY INSURANCE POLICY JUST TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DEMOLITION AND WERE RECENTLY DROPPED BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION FORCING LANDMARK DESIGNATION IS LIKELY TO RESULT IN AN OUTCOME WHERE NO ONE WINS.
HOWEVER, THE LANDOWNER IS WILLING TO SALVAGE AND REUSE THE SHIPLAP WALLS OF THE INTERIOR, WHICH IS ABOUT ALL THAT IS SALVAGEABLE FURTHER.
THE OWNER IS AGREEABLE TO INCUR THE COST OF PRODUCING HABS DOCUMENTATION FOR ARCHIVE AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER.
AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS COMMISSION NOT RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING DESIGNATION OF THE SITE BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE IS NOT A ROBUST CANDIDATE FOR INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THE BELLAGIO PRODUCE COMPANY WAS ONE OF MANY, NOT THE OLDEST, THE FIRST OR THE LAST TO SERVE AUSTIN OR THE STATE OF TEXAS INSTITUTIONS.
THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE DOES NOT EMBODY THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PRODUCE COMPANY AND ISN'T IN EXTREMELY POOR CONDITION.
RESTORATION WOULD AMOUNT TO A COMPLETE REBUILD, WHICH IS COST PROHIBITIVE, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT FINANCING AND INSURANCE.
DID YOU, SO THE ARCHITECTS AND THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS ARE HERE AND AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE DURING THE DISCUSSION.
WE'RE NOT HERE FOR MR. RON THROWER, MOVING ALONG ONE OUT HERE FROM MR. JERRY GARCIA, MR. GARCIA, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES COMMISSIONERS.
I'VE BEEN PRACTICING IN AUSTIN SINCE I ARRIVED HERE IN 78.
SO I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY, I AM A PRESERVATIONIST.
I DO LOVE OLD, OLD BUILDINGS, AND I'M ASKED COUNTLESS TIMES TO ASSESS THESE STRUCTURES.
I WAS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD ON PENFIELD SEAHOLM POWER PLANT ST.
AND I JUST FINISHED A PERSONAL PROJECT IN CLOSE COORDINATION WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE ON A RENOVATION OF A BUILDING IN ELGIN, TEXAS ON MAIN STREET.
SO I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE WITH THESE THINGS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT APPEARS THE ONLY TIME I COME TO PEER BEFORE COMMISSION IS WHEN I HAVE BAD NEWS.
UM, SO I, I TOOK A FIRSTHAND LOOK AT THIS BUILDING, UM, AND IT, IT, FROM THE STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE A SWEET, CHARMING STRUCTURE, BUT UPON CLOSER INSPECTION IT'S FAR, FAR FROM THAT, UM, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DETERIORATION, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INFESTATION, TERMITES, AND SUCH.
THE BUILDING SITS PRACTICALLY ON THE GROUND.
IT'S IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE GROUND.
THERE'S NO MEANS OF, UM, VENTILATION, NO MEANS OF ACCESS, NO MEANS OF REPAIR.
NO MEANS OF ASSESSING HOW POOR THE, THE FLOOR SYSTEM IS.
UM, I SUSPECT THAT THE FLOOR SYSTEM IS FAR WORSE THAN THE WALLS THAT WE ARE VISIBLY ABLE TO SEE, UH, IN PLACE, BUT THERE'S NO WAY OF ASSESSING IT UNLESS YOU REMOVE THE DECKING OF THE FLOOR TO
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FROM THE INSIDE.UM, THE BUILDING IS A SERIES OF ASSEMBLIES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN ADDITIONS OVER THE YEARS.
UM, CEDAR POSTS, UH, ORIGINAL PROBABLY, UH, TWO PORTIONS OF IT, UM, UNDER SIZED BEAMS, UNDER SIZED RAFTERS, UNDERSIZED, JOISTS, UM, SHAKER BEAMS AT THE FOUNDATION THAT, UH, THAT ARE IN SOME AREAS AND NOT OTHERS.
I WAS RECOMMENDING THAT THE BUILDING BE ELEVATED NO LESS THAN A FOOT OFF GRADE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ACCESS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE WELL TO MEET CODE, UM, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE VENTILATION.
UM, AND, AND TO HAVE IT PERFORM ADEQUATELY, THERE'S TWO PROBLEMS WITH THAT ONE.
I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE BUILDING COULD SURVIVE THE LIFT.
IT IS IN SERIOUSLY POOR SHAPE.
THE OTHER THING BEING IS IF INDEED IT SURVIVED THE LIFT, IT WOULD BE A FOOT ABOVE THE ABOVE.
THE CONCRETE PORCH, CONCRETE PORCH CAN CERTAINLY, IT'S BARELY HOLDING ITSELF TOGETHER AS IT IS.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETELY, UH, DEMOLISHED AND RECONSTRUCTED.
SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE IN THE WAY OF STRUCTURAL FABRIC THAT REMAINS IN THE BUILDING.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ARCHITECT, I'M STAYING IN MY LANE, BUT FOR PURPOSES OF ASSESSING THE BUILDING AS HAVING BONE SUFFICIENT TO BRING IT BACK TO LIFE, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IT EXISTS.
SO IF, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER.
WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MR. BRAD HARRISON, MR. HARRISON, SELECT STAR SIX PER HI, THANKS COMMISSIONERS FOR TAKING YOUR TIME.
I'M I SUBMITTED A LETTER WHICH I'LL I'LL CLICK QUICKLY SUMMARIZE FOR YOU TODAY.
UM, I'M A GRADUATE OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY AT WEST POINT, UM, SERVED THE UNITED STATES ARMY AS AN AIRBORNE RANGER.
AND THEN I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SERVICE DISABLED VETERAN, THE BUSINESS, WHICH I PURCHASED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT SERVICE DISABLED VETERAN OWNED BUSINESS.
WHEN I ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THIS BUILDING, IT HAD NO HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND WAS ALREADY IN FACT, UM, DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL, WHICH WAS THE, YOU SAY, INTENDED TO USE IT FOR I'VE MADE A BUSINESS DECISION TO RELOCATE MY FAMILY.
AND SO WE DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO USE THIS BUILDING AS OUR HEADQUARTERS.
UNFORTUNATELY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE PROPERTY DID NOT APPRAISE.
I WAS REJECTED BY THREE INSURANCE COMPANIES INCLUDE USA.
I FINALLY GOT A SPECIAL POLICY FROM AMERICAN MODERN WHO DROPPED IT UPON INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY.
I WAS ABLE TO GET TRAVELERS TO UNDERWRITE, A SPECIAL POLICY TO COVER ME THROUGH DEMOLITION.
THEY HAVE DROPPED MY POLICY AGAIN IN CHECKING THE THING.
I'M AN OLD CAR GUY, AN OLD MOTORCYCLE GUY, NOTHING WOULD HAVE MADE ME HAPPIER THAN TO BE ABLE TO SAVE THIS BUILDING.
BUT AS YOU'VE HEARD, THE BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN TAKING CARE OF IT HAD ASBESTOS.
IT HAD BLACK MOLD, ITS ELECTRICAL IS OUT OF CODE IT'S PLUMBING OUT OF CODE.
THE FOUNDATION IS TOTALLY GONE.
THE WHOLE THING HAS BEEN EATEN BY TERMITES.
THE PORCHES CRACKED, EVERYTHING IS CRACKED.
AND SO IT'S A BIT FRUSTRATING THAT, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH HAS ALREADY GRANTED THE DEMOLITION OF TWO PREVIOUS BELLAGIO PROPERTIES CAN INCLUDE THE, THE, THE MOST HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT THE BLASIO HAS PRODUCE.
THEY DEMOLISHED THAT BUILDING.
SO TO STRETCH AND SAY THAT THEIR ASSOCIATION WITH THE BELLAGIO MAKES THIS HISTORIC, I THINK IS ONE DISCRIMINATORY, NOT TREATING ALL OF US EQUAL AND TO, UM, IT'S UNFAIR.
AND SO I JUST COME FORWARD TODAY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE BELLAGIO IS WE'RE A FAMILY OF VETERANS.
I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD OPPOSE A VETERAN, TAKING A PROPERTY THAT CANNOT BE SAVED AND PUTTING SOMETHING THERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANOTHER VETERAN BUSINESS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, THOSE ARE MY REMARKS FOR TODAY.
WE'LL ALL HEAR FROM MR. MICHAEL AND TO NORA AND MR. HUDSON ARIA.
SO LIKE STAR SIX, PROCEED WITH YOUR REMARKS.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES GETTING ME.
NORA I'M WOULD BE OKAY, ARCHITECTS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I THINK BRAD AND JERRY YOU'VE COVERED MOST OF THE POINTS.
I JUST WANT TO RE REITERATE A COUPLE LIKE JERRY, I HAVE ALSO WORKED ON A NUMBER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UH, HERE IN AUSTIN AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS, INCLUDING, UH, UH, RENOVATED A HOUSE IN THE RAIN STREET DISTRICT.
I RENOVATED A BUILDING IN THAT SIXTH STREET, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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JERRY WORKED ON PENN FIELD, UM, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE FORT CONCHO, NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK, UH, AND, UH, SAN ANGELO.SO I DO, UH, FEEL LIKE I HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE TO ASSESS THE FABRIC OF THIS BUILDING.
THAT IS VERY TRUE, UH, AS, AS JERRY AND, AND BRAD HAD POINTED OUT.
BUT I THINK ALSO WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THIS IN DISCUSSION THAT I HEARD IN THE PREVIOUS PROJECT ABOUT HOW ONE CAN POSSIBLY USE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, THAT ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WITH THIS IS ITS LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY.
IT IS SET FAIRLY WELL BACK FROM THE STREET IT'S ON THE DEAD CENTER OF THE LOT IN ALL FOUR DIRECTIONS.
SO TO ACTUALLY USE THIS FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT AS JERRY POINTED OUT.
IF YOU COULD LIFT THIS BUILDING, THAT MIGHT BE A CHANCE TO SLIDE OVER, CREATE PARKING, USE IT FOR THE PURPOSES THAT BRAD IS INTENDING.
BUT I AGREE WITH JERRY THAT I THINK IF YOU ATTEMPT TO PICK THIS UP, IT'LL SHATTER, UH, THE SHIPLAP IS IN VERY, VERY POOR CONDITION.
WE CAN'T SEE UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, BUT AS ANY OF YOU WHO WORKED ON HISTORIC STRUCTURE WOULD KNOW THAT IF IT'S WITHIN 12 INCHES OR OF THE GROUND, UH, WITH A LOT OF THIS BEING ALONG THESE PINE OR OTHER PINE PRODUCTS, IT IS GOING TO BE ROTTEN AND, AND PROBABLY, UH, STRUCTURALLY INSIGNIFICANT TO THE POINT WHERE YOU COULDN'T EVEN SLIDE BEAMS UNDER IT TO GET UP OFF THE GROUND.
THE OTHER MAIN POINT IS JERRY POINTED OUT IS RIGHT NOW THE FLOOR LINE OF THE CONCRETE PORCH, WHICH TO ME IS VERY OBVIOUSLY POURED AT A LATER DATE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE BUILDINGS NOT BEARING ON THE CONCRETE, IT'S THE BUILDING'S PORT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY RAISE THE PORCH, TAKE THE ROOF OFF REPORT ALL THE CONCRETE, WHATEVER AMOUNT OF YOU RAISED THE BUILDING, WHICH AT THAT POINT YOU'VE, YOU'VE ESSENTIALLY RECONSTRUCTED THIS BUILDING AND PER THE STANDARD THAT I KNOW THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS THEIR OWN STANDARDS, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR SECRETARY OF DEPARTMENT, INTERIOR STANDARDS, RECONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING LIKE THIS IS ONLY DONE IN THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF HISTORIC ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, UH, ULYSSES S GRANT HOPE, WASHINGTON BOYHOOD HOME, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THIS IS HOW IT SIMPLY DOES NOT, UH, DOES NOT, UH, IS NOT CONCURRENT WITH THOSE TYPES OF, UH, SIGNIFICANCE IS SO WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, UH, FINISH UP.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
THE TENANT WELFARE, GO WITH THE REBUTTAL THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
UH, DON'T HAVE MUCH CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
CAUSE SCHNEIDER SECOND EVENT COMMISSIONERS ARE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A VOTE.
THAT'S ON THE DICE AND THAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
UH, IT'S BEEN START QUESTIONS.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, STAFF, SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
SO, UM, THIS ONES SEEMS A LOT DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER ONE.
I MEAN, MY CONCERNS OF THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT ADS ADD-ONS OVER THE YEARS, RIGHT? I MEAN, LIKE WE GET TO THE POINT, WHICH ERA DO WE RESPECT, RIGHT.
WHICH AREA OF WHAT SIGNIFICANT FEATURES.
I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO LOOK AT.
AND SO I'M QUESTIONING, IT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU EVALUATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? BECAUSE SOMETHING, I ALWAYS REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, STEVE SADOWSKY UP HERE, YOU GUYS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND IT RETAINS ITS ORIGINAL FEATURES AND I'M HERE.
I'M LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO CONSIDER.
AND, AND THEN EVEN THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S GOING TO CONFUSE EVEN US AND IT'S GOING TO CONFUSE THE OWNERS, I MEAN, THEN WE HAVE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.
I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO TO A POINT, UM, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, UM, AND JUST KIND OF GENERAL PRESERVATION PRACTICE CAN CONSIDER ACCRETIONS THAT OCCURRED DURING THE HISTORIC PERIOD AS SIGNIFICANT IN THEIR OWN.
UM, SO I APOLOGIZE THAT I DON'T HAVE DATES ON HERE.
I INHERITED THIS CASE FROM, UM, A CASE MANAGER.
WHO'S NO LONGER WITH THE CITY.
UM, BUT, UM, IF THESE CHANGES AND THESE ADDITIONS TOOK PLACE DURING THE HISTORIC PERIOD, UM, AND WERE PERHAPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BELLAGIO FAMILY, UM, THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO CONVEY, UM, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT FAMILY AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PROPERTY.
UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT'S MORE ASSOCIATED TO SPECIFIC, LET'S SAY A PERSON TO WHICH YOU WOULD TIE IT TO.
I GUESS IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER CASE WE TALKED ABOUT IT HAD TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE MOVING THROUGH AND NOW THIS, THE SIGNIFICANCE IS NOT THE PEOPLE MOVING THROUGH.
IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON, YOU KNOW, SO I FIND A LITTLE CONFUSING AND, AND, AND DIFFICULT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO, TO ASSESS.
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UM, AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTIONS FOR MR. GARCIA.SO, UM, IN YOUR ASSESSMENT, I GUESS, CAUSE I, I WENT AHEAD, I WALKED THE SITE, I WALKED AROUND IT AND I LOOKED AT THIS THING AND UM, I MEAN, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, IT, AND YOU'RE, LIKE I SAID, I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH YOU GUYS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, ON HISTORIC PROJECTS AND I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR INSIGHT TO THIS.
BUT I GUESS THE CONCERNS I SEE IS, I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE THE DIFFICULTY OF MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ADDITIONS, RIGHT, YOU HAVE THIS FOUNDATION, THEN YOU HAVE THIS FOUNDATION, YOU HAVE THIS FOUNDATION.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE ENGINEERING IS, IS THIS LIKE ONE OF THE ULTIMATE NIGHTMARES? AND THEN IF WE WERE GOING TO EVEN ADD A TWO STORY TO MAKE IT ECONOMIC VIABLE, I MEAN, HOW MANY FOUNDATIONS DO WE HAVE? AND IF WE ADD ANOTHER ONE, TELL ME ABOUT THE PERFECT STORM OR IS THIS A PERFECT STORM OF WHAT, AS YOU MOVING FORWARD, IT'S RELATIVELY A PERFECT STORM.
YOU WANT THE BUILDING TO BEHAVE AS A WHOLE.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE COMPONENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO NOT KNOWING HOW THEY WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT INDIVIDUALLY AND EXPECT THEM TO PERFORM IN KIND THAT'S MORE THAN ANYONE CAN, CAN HOPE FOR.
SO YES, IT IS A PERFECT STORM.
SO, UM, THAT HAPPENS A GREAT DEAL IN, UH, OLDER HOMES, OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE TRAVIS HEIGHTS OR PEMBERTON OR WHEREVER WE'RE PART OF IS ON SLAB AND PARTS, PIER AND BEAM.
AND IT'S A VERY, VERY, UM, SERIOUS CONCERN THAT STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS HAVE.
AND THIS ONE IS NO EXCEPTION, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING HIS AGE.
UM, LET ME TRY TO THINK IF I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME FOR NOW.
I THINK THIS IS FOR THAT APPLICANT CITY STAFF.
UM, SO, UH, WE JUST HEARD ANOTHER CASE THAT IT WAS ALSO BASED ON A HISTORIC ASSOCIATION OR ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO BOTH ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH, I THINK LIKE EVERYBODY'S SEEN THESE HOUSES, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF STUCK IN OUR MINDS.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD DO A LITTLE COMPARE AND CONTRAST, UM, AND TALK ABOUT, UH, A BOOK ACTUALLY BOTH HAD UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM HISTORIC LANDMARK.
SO I WONDER IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE HISTORIC ASSOCIATION AND THE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS HOUSE VERSUS THE ONE WE JUST HEARD IS BETTER WORSE, MORE SIGNIFICANT PEOPLE ARE HISTORIC, UH, ASSOCIATION.
UM, I CAN TRY MY BEST COMMISSIONER.
UM, I, UH, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THIS CASE AS I AM WITH THE LAST ONE.
UM, BUT, UM, THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT, UM, ASSOCIATION TYPES FOR SURE.
UM, THIS ONE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A PARTICULAR FAMILY, UM, AND THE ASSOCIATION KIND OF HINGES ON THEIR CONTRIBUTION, UM, TO AUSTIN.
UM, AND THE ARCHITECTURE IS OF COURSE A MUCH LATER STYLE, UM, WITH DIFFERENT DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS.
UM, SO THIS ONE'S CRAFTSMAN, THE OTHER ONE WAS POPE VICTORIAN.
UM, THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, UH, THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IS, IS NOT WHAT THE OTHER ONE WAS, UM, IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY'D BE ABLE TO MOVE IT.
UM, SO, SO, SO JUST ALONG THAT LINE, UM, I THINK I GO, UH, ON THE BENIGN CASE, UM, YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE THE EXTERIOR FABRIC IS IN TACTICS AT, FOR A WINDOW.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THAT CLOSELY AT THIS PROPERTY IS THE EXTERNAL, UH, FABRIC OF THE, UM, OF THE HOME IN AS GOOD SHAPE OR WORSE SHAPE.
UH, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE SITE ON THIS ONE, UM, AND I DON'T HAVE THE DATES FROM THE PREVIOUS CASE MANAGER OF THE, UH, THE ADDITIONS AND ACCRETIONS UM, SO I DON'T WANT TO, UH, TO MISLEAD YOU THERE.
I DON'T HAVE A CONCRETE, UM, UH, OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH.
UM, SO, UH, I KNOW LIKE NORTH OF THE EAST SEVENTH PROPERTY THERE'S FIT FRENCH OBLIGATION AND A LOT OF HISTORIC HOMES BACK THERE.
WOULD YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SOUTH OF, UH, CESAR CHAVEZ, THERE'S SORT OF AN EQUAL NUMBER, OR WE SORT OF HAVE A, MORE OF A HISTORIC DESERT, UH, AROUND THE
UM, AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INTEGRITY OF INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD START WITH THE 2016 SURVEY AND KIND OF GO THROUGH WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED
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AND SEE IF THEY STILL HOLD UP, UM, INTEGRITY WISE.UM, BUT EAST AUSTIN IN GENERAL HAS FEWER H DESIGNATED PROPERTIES THAN THE REST OF THE CITY.
UM, I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD, UH, I DON'T KNOW MR. GARCIA OR SOMEBODY ELSE FROM, UH, THE OWNER SIDE COULD TALK ABOUT THE US STATE OF THE EXTERNAL FABRIC, HOW INTACT IT IS.
I KNOW WE'VE HEARD ABOUT SORT OF A STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS WITH THE PLACE AND THE INTERIOR PROBLEMS, BUT, UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT REMAINS THAT'S THE EXTERNAL FABRIC COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER.
I'M GOING TO, UH, QUEUE UP OUR ARCHITECT.
UM, MICHAEL, AND TO NORA TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, YOU'LL JUST SELECT STAR SIX AND PROCEED.
UM, THAT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THE, THE FABRIC OF THE OUTSIDE THE WINDOWS IN PARTICULAR ARE NOT ORIGINAL.
THERE ARE SOME, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE FRONT, UH, WAS ADDED AT A LATER TIME.
UH, AS YOU'VE NOTED IN THE PACKET THERE, YOU CAN SEE JUST FROM THE SANBORN MAP THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING, UH, HAS GROWN SEVERAL TIMES.
SO WHAT WAS ONCE ON THE OUTSIDE BECAME ON THE INSIDE AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT POINTS.
UH, IF YOU WOULD LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THE PICTURES OF THE PORCH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF CONCRETE.
SO THAT PORCH BEEN POURED AND POURED AND POURED SEVERAL TIMES.
AND THEN THE ONLY PICTURE WE HAVE OF THAT BUILDING, UH, ACTUALLY FROM 1983, WHEN IT WAS RENOVATED.
SO AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE LIKED THAT OTHER CRAFTSMAN HOUSE DOWN THE STREET.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DID THAT, BUT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PROJECTS WHERE THAT HAD BEEN THE CASE.
UM, THE SIDING IS THERE'S PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIDING.
UH, THE, THE COMMISSIONER THAT WALKED AROUND AND THAT WILL BE SOLVED THAT THERE ARE VERTICAL STRIPS OF TRIM THAT ACTUALLY, UH, ARE BASICALLY A THEME WHERE ONE RENOVATION STARTED AND ANOTHER ONE ENDED.
AND THE, AND THE, THE, THE SIDING DOES NOT LINE UP WITH EACH OTHER CAUSE THEY WEREN'T FROM THE SAME PERIOD.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IN SOME CASES YOU COULD GO BACK AND FIND THE ORIGINAL KNIVES FROM THE KALKA SHOE LUMBERYARD, AND ACTUALLY RUN THE SAME EXACT PATTERN OF SIDING.
AND IN THIS CASE, THEY OBVIOUSLY COULDN'T FIND IT OR DIDN'T BOTHER WITH IT.
AND SO THE SIDING IS DIFFERENT.
THE VERY BACK OF THE HOUSE ACTUALLY HAD
UM, IF YOU GO UP IN THE ROOF, ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE ROOF IS NEW.
UH, THAT ROOF IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE ORIGINAL.
THERE MAY BE SOME FRAMING THAT WAS REUSED, BUT IT ALL HAS MODERN PLYWOOD ON IT.
IT'S ALL BEEN NAILED WITH NAIL GUNS.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THE FABRIC IS NOT THERE.
UM, THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT WE DID, UH, THAT WE ASSESSED.
UH, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THE OLD, UH, UNHEALED, UH, FUNERAL HOME THAT WAS ON SOUTH CONGRESS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UH, THAT ACTUALLY HAD A VERY HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO IT IN THE, IN THE PERSONS THAT OWNED IT LIVED THERE.
BUT OVER TIME WHEN IT WAS RENOVATED FROM A HOUSE TO A FUNERAL PARLOR, UM, MANY OF THE PIECES, UH, WERE NOT THERE.
AND THIS MODEL THAT WE SHOWED YOU WAS A SIMILAR ILLUSTRATION FOR YOU TO SEE WHAT WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION IN 1900, AND THEN HOW MANY PIECES WERE ADDED LATER.
AND, UM, JERRY, JERRY GARCIA'S ASSESSMENT IS, UM, A GOOD ONE IN THAT EVERY TIME YOU ADD IT ON, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY CREATING ANOTHER JOINT IN THE BUILDING STARTED TO TRY TO PICK THIS THING UP.
YOU'RE RELYING ON, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEAR OLD NAILS AND INADEQUATE TRAINING.
UM, SO IT, IT IS, UH, IT IS PROBLEMATIC.
UM, EXTERIOR FABRIC IS, IS MINIMAL.
AND I WOULD QUITE FRANKLY, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT THE ORIGINAL FABRIC IS HIGHLY INTACT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE, OH, THANK YOU, JERRY.
I'LL JUST, UH, IT'S SHORT QUESTIONS.
I THINK ONE WAS, UM, UM, GOING THROUGH SCHNEIDER YOUR QUESTION, AND I'M HOPING IT STAFF DOESN'T SEEM TO BE OVER AND IF THE APPLICANT CAN HELP US AS WELL, BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION ON HOW MANY OTHER HISTORIC ZONE PROPERTIES THERE ARE NEARBY.
AND I, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOKED UP INITIALLY AS WELL.
AND I FOUND THAT A NUMBER OF AGE ZONE PROPERTIES ACTUALLY EXIST SOME EXIST ACROSS THE BLOCK.
THERE'S LIKE ONE SIX HOUSES DOWN AND SO ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS A BETTER RESPONSE TO WHAT MR.
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SCHNEIDER WAS ASKING IN RELATION TO THIS AND OTHER QUESTIONS.I KEEP ON SAYING, I MEANT TO SAY, UM, NOT THE APPLICANT, BUT THE RESPONDENT IN THIS CASE, MS. SASSY, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE A BETTER ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
I KEEP MIXING IT IN THESE CASES.
YOU MAY HAVE TO REPEAT SOME OF IT, BUT THE, THE ONE, THE PART THAT IS ON MY MIND IS, UM, THERE IS A PROPERTY, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT TRACT IS A HISTORICALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT COMES TO MIND.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T ACTUALLY SPEAK FURTHER BEYOND THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, I DIDN'T STUDY IT AS CLOSELY.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROPERTY IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK.
AND ACTUALLY, AS FAR AS I HAD LOOKED AT IT, AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE CAN SAVE IT, I HAD LOOKED IT UP.
AND I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF HOUSES, SOME DOWN THE STREETS, SOME ACROSS A NUMBER OF THE SIGNIFICANT BLOCKS.
I HOPE THAT IT HELPS YOU BECAUSE YES, THAT QUESTION CAME TO MIND FOR ME AS WELL.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS WITH THE BOARD, WE CAN SORT OF SEE SIGNIFICANT AND SOME SEVERE FOUNDATION ISSUES.
I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT FROM Y'ALL AS WELL HAS TO BE DONE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT PERVADES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE HOUSE AS WELL, OR THE STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THE STRUCTURE, WHAT OTHER PARTS OF THE HOUSE HAVE TO BE HAVE STRUCTURAL ISSUES AND FOUNDATION ISSUES.
I MEAN, JERRY MIGHT BE THE BEST ONE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
CAN YOU PLEASE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AS WELL? I KNOW YOU ALREADY TOLD US, BUT IF YOU CAN GO INTO SOME DETAILS, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
CERTAINLY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE FOUNDATION, UM, YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE STRUCTURAL ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.
UM, AGAIN, UM, THE LIMITED AREAS THAT WE COULD SEE HAD CEDAR POSTS, WHICH IS VERY COMMON FOR THE TIMES.
UM, AND, AND WE ASSUME THAT THE REMAINDER OF IT IS CONSIDERING IS OF THE SAME VINTAGE OR, OR OLDER IS ALSO CEDAR POSTS AND NOT KNOWING HOW DEEP THEY ARE, UH, MORE THAN LIKELY IF EVER YOU PULL ONE OF THOSE UP THERE, BASIC PENCIL POINTS THAT YOU CAN NOT KEEP THEM, THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
UM, THE BEAMS THAT SPAN BETWEEN THEM ARE PROBABLY DOUBLE TWO-BY-SIXES NOWADAYS WOULD BE EIGHT ARE TENS DEPENDING ON THE SPANS.
SO EVERYTHING WAS, UM, THAT WAS UTILIZED WAS BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION EFFORTS AT THE TIME, UM, WHICH DON'T MEET CURRENT STANDARDS AND GIVEN THIS AGE AND NEGLECT, IT LOSES INTEGRITY QUICKLY.
AND I GUESS WHAT I'VE HEARD VERY CLEARLY FROM Y'ALL AND FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO HAVE EXPERTISE IN THIS IS THAT THE HOUSE CAN BE SORT OF RAISED OR PICKED UP TO WORK ON THE FOUNDATION OR THERE, CAUSE IT WOULD LEAD TO SORT OF SEVERE DETERIORATION MAYBE EVEN COLLAPSED, RIGHT? UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY WAY TO ADDRESS THOSE FOUNDATIONAL ISSUES IN A REASONABLE WAY OTHERWISE, UM, IT'S BEST CERTAIN WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE EFFORT OF REPLACING THE FOUNDATION, PETE APPEARS IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THE BUILDING, MOVING THE BUILDING IN ANY DIRECTION IS A RATHER PRECARIOUS NOTION AT THIS POINT.
UM, NOT KNOWING IF IT WILL HOLD ITSELF TOGETHER OR NOT.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO ROLL THE DICE, NO, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT.
I TRULY WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT.
I JUST DO NOT THINK IT WOULD SURVIVE THE MOVE.
I REACHED IT THAT IN MY MINOR ARCHITECTURAL KNOWLEDGE, I WENT TO ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL.
IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ADDING DIFFERENT PIECES OVER TIME.
IT'S SORT OF, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO JOIN TOGETHER.
SO IF YOU'RE LIFTING IT, THEY MIGHT MOVE DIFFERENT WAYS AND ESSENTIALLY COLLAPSE INTERNAL.
CORRECT? NORMALLY IF THEY MOVE A BUILDING LIKE THIS, THEY SLIDE LARGE STEEL BEAMS UNDER IT AND TRY TO LIFT IT UP, YOU KNOW, LIKE A POLE BEARERS MIGHT, BUT YOU ARE REALLY YOU AND YOU NEED TO GET DOWN THERE.
YOU HAVE TO CRAWL UNDER THERE TO GET PROPER, PROPER PLACE.
AND IT'S, THERE'S NO PLACE TO CRAWL.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR THE QUESTIONS OF, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL TONIGHT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, SINCE I MADE THE MOTION ON THE OTHER ONE AND THIS IS DIFFERENT THAT I, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THIS GIVES ME A CHANCE TO KIND OF GIVE MY REASONS WHY, BUT MY MOTION IS TO DENY, UH, APPLICANT ON THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
UH, WE'LL CHANCE IT IT TO REMOVE THE TODDLER WITH THE SECOND, UH, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR EMOTIONS? UM, AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF START AT THE TOP KIND OF GO DOWN, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, I MEAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE HEARD FROM STEVE
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PINPOINT IT.SO EVEN THE WORDS OF STEVE SADOWSKY, I CAN'T QUITE HEAR IT IN THAT RESPECT, MAYBE ANOTHER PART.
BUT THEN IN, AS I REMEMBER WITH BETTY BAKER, SHE'D ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WITH HISTORIC.
IT HAD TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS ONE COMPARED TO THE OTHER, I, YOU KNOW, AS I DRIVE BY, IT'S NOT ONE THAT I SEE AS SIGNIFICANT THAT'S MEMORABLE.
AND EVEN AS I WALK AROUND IT, WHEN I WENT TO VISIT IT TODAY, IT WAS, IT WAS AWKWARD EVEN WITH THE, AND NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE FROM THE PRESENTATION WE SEE THE SH ALL ADDITIONS AND IT KIND OF SHIFTED THE LAYOUT ON THE SITE.
THE, THE PORCH THAT WAS ADDED ON THE SIDE WAS SHIFTED OFF TO THE SIDE MORE SO THAN I THOUGHT PROPORTIONALLY.
AND I'M LIKE, THERE'S SOMETHING OFF ABOUT IT.
AND THE PRESENTATION I SAW FROM MS. HALSEY EXPLAINS THIS BECAUSE OF THE, ALL THE PIECES THAT WE'RE ADDING ON.
UM, SO, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS BEING THAT HODGEPODGE THAT EXP YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW, AS I WAS TALKING TO, UH, UH, JERRY GARCIA ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS, IS THAT IT IS, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT WHEN WE DO ADDITIONS OR WHEN WE, UH, ASSESS RENOVATIONS, UM, TO PIECE TOGETHER A BUILDING THAT HAS SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF FOUNDATIONS ON THAT, AND ONE'S GONNA DETERIORATE QUICKER THAN THE OTHER.
ONE'S GONNA BE SLIGHTLY OFF FROM THE OTHER.
AND ONCE YOU PUT TWO STORIES ON IT TO MAKE IT VIABLE, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
AND, UM, AND I KNOW JERRY'S BECAUSE WE WORKED TOGETHER ON HISTORIC, UH, LANDMARK PROJECT UP THE STREET ON EAST CESAR CHAVEZ AT 2205.
AND I KNOW HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, AND WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE THAT, HE TRIES, JERRY REALLY DOES TRY IT.
HE'S NOT JUST MAKING THIS STUFF UP.
SO, UH, APPRECIATE YOU TAKING YOUR TIME TO COME DOWN HERE AND GIVE US YOUR INSIGHT.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE VIABILITY, RIGHT? I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND THESE THINGS.
I MEAN, THE CONCERN I HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC VIABLY, I LOOK AT THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO, WHAT ELSE CAN YOU ADD ON TO IT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO MAKE IT MORE FIT THE TIMES THE USES OF WHAT WE NEED, BUT IN OF ITSELF, BECAUSE IT'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT PIECES, IT LACKS ITS OWN INTEGRAL VIABILITY JUST TO SAVE ITSELF.
IT'S ALREADY A CONFUSION OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S LIKE ON THIS ONE.
I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I LIKE TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THINGS AND, UH, GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO, FOR PRESERVATION, BUT THIS ONE IS JUST, IT IT'S JUST TOO DIFFICULT ON SO MANY DIFFERENT FRONTS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M, THAT'S MY MOTION.
ANY OF THOSE WANT TO SPEAK AGAINST THE MOTION? ALRIGHT.
IN FAVOR, COMMISSIONERS ARE, THANK YOU, JERRY.
I DON'T NEED TO BUILD A LOT ON WHAT COMMISSIONER SHE HAS ALREADY SAID, BUT I THINK WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IS THE DISTINCT DIFFERENCE FROM THE BV SCAPE, WHICH REALLY IS THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.
SO EVEN IF WE ALL AGREED THAT THIS WAS TRULY SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED, WE WANTED TO PRESERVE THE ISSUE HERE IS REALLY THAT THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT HAVE THE INTEGRITY TO SURVIVE, BRINGING IT UP TO CODE, MAKING IT SAFE AND HABITABLE, MAKING SURE THAT IT MEETS OUR REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR LIFE.
SO REALLY AT THAT POINT, WE DON'T HAVE AN OPTION EXCEPT FOR REALLY RECREATING THE HOUSE A NEW, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IS THE SAME AS PRESERVATION NOR DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND MAKE THE NECESSARY REPAIRS.
SO I THINK IN THIS CASE, A REALLY THE ISSUE IS WITH STRUCTURE AND WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER TIME, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SUPPORT THIS CASE.
UM, SO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF ONE MORE SPOT? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE ON THIS SIDE AND WHICH IS MOST OF MY COMMISSIONERS, SHAY SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOOSE, TODDLER TO DENY APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR HISTORIC ZONING.
UH, LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE THEN IT'S ON THE DICE IN FAVOR.
UH THAT'S EVERYONE AND THOSE ON THE VIRTUAL AND IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4.
SO WE HAVE, UM, LET'S SEE, THAT'S EIGHT, UM, IN FAVOR AND COMMISSIONER YON, POLITO IS, UH, ABSTAINING.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL OUR DISCUSSION CASES UNDER ITEM D MOVING ON TO ITEM
[C1. Discussion and possible action establishing the Housing Working Group tasked with forwarding recommendations regarding the development of housing to the Planning Commission. (Co-Sponsors Commissioner Shieh and Anderson)]
C ONE.UH, WE WERE CONSIDERING THIS ON CONSENT, BUT, UH, WE WANTED TO PULL IT BECAUSE, UM, WE HAD A FEW, WE HAD LINED UP, I GUESS, THOSE THAT WERE INTERESTED.
AND WE WERE AT, I GUESS, OUR MAX, AS FAR AS THE WORKING GROUP TOTAL, BUT I WANTED TO REVISIT JUST THE MAKEUP OF THE GROUP
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JUST CAUSE WE HAD OTHERS THAT, UM, EXPRESSED INTEREST AFTER THE FACT.AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SURE THIS IS TRUE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE AT THE MEETING.
SO, UM, BUT THIS EVENING WE'RE MISSING.
LET'S GO AND GO OVER TO THE, UM, ONE MORE TIME.
SO, UH, THE MEMBERSHIP AND LET'S ROLL THIS BACK, UH, PROBABLY START, SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THE, THE REASON WE DID NOT PASS THIS LAST TIME IS THERE WAS JUST SOME, WE WANTED TO BRING MORE CLARITY TO THE SCOPE OF THE WORKING GROUP.
I THINK THERE WAS A WORDING THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSING.
UH, SO, UM, AND I'M GOING TO, SO WE HAVE OUR TWO SPONSORS, WHICH ARE COMMISSIONER SHANE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE TASK AND THE ITEM JUST, OKAY.
WE WANT TO, UH, CHECK UP OUR, SHOULD WE GO AND TAKE IT THE SPEAKER FIRST? OKAY, LET'S GO AND DO THAT.
ALASKA'S THAT'S THE KIDS YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
I AM A 7 8, 702 EAST AUSTIN, CHICANO NATIVE.
I'M RIDING THAT GENTRIFICATION WAVE NOW AND I'VE BEEN DISPLACED TO 7 8 7 4 4.
IN THE EAST SIDE, I WAS SURROUNDED BY STREETS NAMED LIKE ROBERT MARTINEZ, BETTER KNOWLEDGE AS R CHAVEZ, MATAMOROS.
AND NOW I'M LIVING IN ONE OF THE MOST, ONE OF THE BIGGEST FLOOD ZONES IN AUSTIN.
I HAVE TO ENTER A BIG SIGN THAT SAYS ONION CREEK PLANTATION, AND IT'S QUITE A CHANGE MOVING FROM ONE ZIP CODE TO THE OTHER.
SO IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I'VE SEEN Y'ALL IN A PLANNING MEETING, I THOUGHT I'D HIT Y'ALL UP BECAUSE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS MADE IN YOUR LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ABOUT AISD.
SO VERY BRIEFLY I WAS A AISD EMPLOYEE FOR ALMOST 18 YEARS.
UM, I LEFT A SCHOOL DISTRICT IN 2018 AND FOUND THAT I WORK MUCH BETTER OUTSIDE OF SOME SYSTEMS. AND SO I WAS CURIOUS AS TO THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT, PARDON ME, LET ME LOOK AT MY NOTES.
IT SAYS, AND WE'VE HAD HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS OF EMAILS FROM AISD TEACHERS AND STAFF WHO EARNED BETWEEN 80 AND 80 AND 120% MFI WHO ARE REQUESTING HOUSING.
I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE TEACHER THAT MAKES BETWEEN 83,000 AND 113,000.
SO I'M VERY CURIOUS TO KNOW WHICH TEACHERS ARE ADVOCATING FOR THIS MFI RATE AT 80% PLUS, UM, TEACHERS ARE TYPICALLY CAPPED AT ABOUT 63,000.
SO AFTER 17 AND A HALF YEARS WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, Y'ALL I WAS LUCKY TO BRING HOME $1,500 NET.
SO IF, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO BRING ABOUT A HUNDRED PEOPLE TOGETHER, I'M WILLING TO BRING ANOTHER HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO NEEDED AT LESS THAN 50% MFI.
IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE PROGRAMMING THAT'S CREATED BASED ON EQUITY, WE GET, IT GETS MUDDLED DOWN, RIGHT? LIKE THERE'S STILL A POPULATION OF CLASSIFIED WORKERS IN AISD AND TEACHERS WHO ARE NOT LIVING AT THAT 80% MFI.
I CHALLENGE YOU TO PRODUCE SOME OF THOSE TEACHERS THAT ARE MAKING 83,000 IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, BECAUSE THOSE ARE TYPICALLY CENTRAL OFFICE EMPLOYEES.
THEY'RE NOT FRONTLINE WORKERS.
I'M CURRENTLY CONNECTED TO MANY ASE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE LIVING IN 7, 8, 7 0 2 AND ONE PAYCHECK.
ISN'T ENOUGH TO MAKE $1,100 RENT THAT THEY'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO STILL HAVE IN 7, 8, 7 0 2.
AND Y'ALL ARE READY TO JUMP TO THAT 80% MFI.
WHY DO Y'ALL KEEP DISAPPEARING US? STOP IT.
THERE IS STILL A LARGE POPULATION OF US THAT HANG, EVEN WITH THE INCOME THAT WE'RE BRINGING RIGHT NOW.
MR. ANDERSON, YOU GRADUATED FROM, WHERE DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL OVER THERE IN THE EAST SIDE? UM, SOMEBODY HERE WHO FINISHED HIGH SCHOOL AT, AH, AT GARZA, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE? RIGHT.
SO HOW MANY GRADUATES DO YOU KNOW FROM GARZA THAT ARE NOW MAKING 83,000? LIKE HOW MANY GRADUATES IS THAT REALLY HELPING? BECAUSE I AM CONNECTED TO ANYBODY IN THAT 83%
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MFI, NOT PEOPLE THAT I'VE GRADUATED WITH FROM GARZA.I ALSO ATTENDED GARZA, BUT I FINISHED UP AT LIFEWORKS BECAUSE I HAD TO HURRY UP AND MAKE MONEY AT 16 YEARS OLD.
SO I'M INTERESTED IN BRINGING A CREW OF PEOPLE TOGETHER TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT AISD THING, BECAUSE EVEN THE FACT THAT Y'ALL ARE PRODUCING YOU BOASTED ABOUT WE ARE WORKING ON SEVEN HOMES FOR AISD TEACHERS AND STAFF WHO EARNED BETWEEN 80% AND ONE 20%.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR HABITAT, FOR HUMANITY OR THE TARGET MFI RATE FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
SO, UM, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
AND I REALLY, REALLY HOPE THAT Y'ALL ADHERE TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKING GROUP, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE INITIAL CONVERSATION.
I DON'T GET TO TUNE IN ALL THE TIME Y'ALL, BUT I'LL BE CHECKING OUT THESE HIGHLIGHTS AFTER THE MEETINGS.
AND Y'ALL SAID AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKING GROUP, THAT SHIT SWITCHED UP TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY KEEP DISAPPEARING US.
I JUST TALKED TO THIS LADY AT THE SECURITY GATE.
SHE'S LIKE, OOH, IS ANYTHING COOL HAPPENING IN THERE? I SAID, GIRL, YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE WHAT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING IN THERE.
I SAID, DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN THERE ADVOCATING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SALARIES OVER 83,000? AND SHE'S LIKE, WHAT? THAT'S NOT AFFORDABLE.
I SAID, ACCORDING TO SOME PEOPLE I'M PLANNING, IT IS SO THAT'S EMPLOYEES RIGHT OUTSIDE THIS DOOR THAT Y'ALL ARE DISAPPEARING.
SO PLEASE STOP BE SPECIFIC WITHOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
CAUSE IT'S CONFUSING AS SHIT TO SOME OF US OUT THERE.
AND I'VE BEEN HANGING WITH THIS WORK FOR JUST FIVE YEARS.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DEVELOP REGULAR, REGULAR, OLD RESIDENTS TO EVEN HANG IN CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS? IT TAKES A LONG TIME AND I'LL GIVE YOU ONE, ONE EXAMPLE.
I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO REGISTER FOR THIS SHIT WHEN Y'ALL ASKED ME FOR MY ADDRESS ON THE SPEAKER REGISTRATION PROCESS OR Y'ALL KIDDING ME.
Y'ALL WANT ME TO PUT MY ADDRESS ON THERE SO Y'ALL CAN GO CHECK MY SHIT OUT.
MAKE IT TO JUST NAME OUR DISTRICTS, JUST LIKE CITY COUNCIL.
THEY JUST ASKED FOR A DISTRICT NUMBER.
CAUSE SOME OF US AIN'T ON THAT LEVEL.
I AM READY TO GIVE NOBODY MY ADDRESS.
SO PLEASE ADHERE TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, STOP DISAPPEARING US.
AND SIR, AS FLABBERGASTED AS YOU REACTED TO THE, TO THE PATIO, LIKE WHY WOULD WE QUESTION THAT SOME OF US ARE JUST AS FLABBERGASTED AS WHY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THAT WE SMELL THE BS, JUST SITTING HERE AND LISTENING TO THAT CASE.
OF COURSE, THAT STR IS GOING TO BE THAT ROOFTOP MODEL.
Y'ALL UH, SO THE FORMAT FOR THIS, UH, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GO OVER KIND OF THE, UM, THE SCOPE AND KIND OF THE, THE MISSION OF THIS WORKING GROUP AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THE PARTICIPANTS, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE HAD TO COME BACK FOR.
DO WE HAVE, I'VE GOT THE, THE TASK DESCRIPTION AND LET'S SEE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOUR EMAIL.
SO THIS IS WHAT'S POSTED EXHIBIT A, IS THE BACKUP RIGHT? THAT HAS, OKAY.
SO I'M GOING TO READ THIS, UM, UH, FOR PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERATION, DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WILL INCREASE HOUSING AVAILABILITY IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN CONFERENCE TO PLAN TO BETTER MEET THE GOALS OF AUSTIN, STRATEGIC HOUSING BLUEPRINT AND AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN.
UM, SO YES, THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT HAVE BEEN KIND OF AMEND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE TASK OF THE WORKING GROUP.
IT'S VERY BROAD AND IT'S THAT WAY, UH, TO ALLOW THIS WORKING GROUP, A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY TO COME UP WITH IDEAS.
SO THAT IS A PURPOSE, UM, CHAIR.
I KNOW WE JUST HAD A SPEAKER SPEAKING TO AISD NUMBERS AND I HAVE INCOME LIMITS FROM AISD STAFF THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE AISD BOARD.
AND AS LOOKING AT LAST YEAR'S MFI NUMBER, SO NOT UPDATED TO THIS YEAR'S MFI NUMBERS.
ONE TEACHER WAS QUALIFYING FOR UNDER 60%.
THE REST WERE BETWEEN 80 AND 120%.
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THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO TALK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE JUST LOOK AT BELOW 60%, WHO ARE WE EXCLUDING? WE'RE EXCLUDING TEACHERS, WE'RE EXCLUDING NURSES, WE'RE EXCLUDING A LOT OF DIFFERENT GROUPS.AND SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE OR DOESN'T IT, A LOT OF FOLKS WOULD SAY THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, SO I'M EXCITED TO BE WORKING ON THIS.
UM, SO I THINK I WANT TO JUST SAY THIS WORKING GROUP IS THERE'S FLOOR, YOU KNOW, ALL OPTIONS.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE BROADENED IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER COX, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON, GO AHEAD.
WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? WELL, I, I GUESS I'M JUST GOING TO BE THE CONTRARY IN HERE AND ELABORATE ON WHAT I SAID LAST TIME.
I THINK, I THINK THIS GROUP IS TOO BROAD.
I UNDERSTAND THE STRATEGY OF MAKING IT BROAD, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE PITFALLS OF MAKING IT BROAD.
AND SO WHY DON'T WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP THAT FOCUSES ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR, OR FINDING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING? WHY DON'T WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP, BUT THAT KIND OF DIVES INTO SOME OF THE TECHNICAL DETAILS OF COMPATIBILITY.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A MORE PRODUCTIVE USE OF OUR TIME.
AND I ALSO THINK THE STRENGTH OF THIS COMMISSION IS, IS THE, UH, THE, THE, THE DIVERSITY OF OUR VOICES AND OUR BACKGROUNDS AND OUR EXPERTISE.
AND PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU'VE GOTTEN SO MUCH INTEREST IN COMMISSIONERS WANTING TO BE PART OF THIS GROUP IS BECAUSE IT'S SO BROAD.
I'LL BE HONEST, I'M INTERESTED IN BEING IN THE GROUP, BUT I HAVEN'T EXPRESSED THAT TO THIS POINT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN BEING IN THIS WORKING GROUP AND I'VE BEEN IN A WORKING GROUP.
SO I WANT TO, AND I AM IN A WORKING GROUP.
AND SO I WANT TO GIVE OTHER PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
PLUS I'M A LOUD MOUTH AND I WANT TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS IN THE WORKING GROUP FORMAT.
SO IF WE WERE TO ACTUALLY TRY TO BOIL SOME OF THESE ISSUES DOWN AND BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC AND HAVE WORKING GROUPS FOCUS ON SPECIFIC THINGS, I THINK WE COULD BE UTILIZING OUR EXPERTISE AND BACKGROUNDS MORE EFFECTIVELY RATHER THAN JUST HAVING ONE BIG CATCH, ALL OF EVERYTHING, HOUSING, UH, AND THEN, AND THEN POTENTIALLY LOSING OUT ON, ON, YOU KNOW, THE DIVERSITY OF VOICES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMISSION.
I'M NOT GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT CAUSE, UH, IT WOULDN'T MATTER ANYWAYS, BUT I DO THINK HOPEFULLY MAYBE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO TAKE THIS WORKING GROUP AND BREAK IT UP INTO ACTUAL SPECIFIC TOPICS, UM, TO DIVE INTO THE DETAILS.
WE HAVE KIND OF KEEPING WITH THE FORUM.
WE HAVE EIGHT SPOTS WHERE WE CAN EXTEND IT.
SO WHO WANTS TO SPEAK NEXT TO THIS ITEM? DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS IT? I MEAN, ONE OF US SHOULD, BUT IF YOU WANT IT, I GUESS I, I CONCUR WITH THE IDEA OF BREAKING IT UP TO, TO ME.
I WASN'T HERE LAST TIME, BUT I HEARD, HEARD SOME OF WHAT WAS SAID.
AND TO ME THAT THE IDEA OF A WORKING GROUP IS TO BRAINSTORM WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET MORE HOUSING, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET MORE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, BIG A AND LITTLE, A AFFORDABLE.
AND TO ME, MORE PEOPLE WORKING ON IT MEANS MORE IDEAS.
AND SO IF WE WANT TO BREAK IT UP, WHETHER WE WANT TO BREAK IT UP, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TOPICS WE WANT TO DO IT, THIS ONE HAS THIS SCOPE AND THIS ONE HAS THIS SCOPE, YOU KNOW, BIG, A AFFORDABLE, LITTLE, A AFFORDABLE OR MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY MISSING MIDDLE.
I MEAN, WHAT, YOU KNOW, COMPATIBILITY VERSUS MISSING MIDDLE.
I DON'T CARE HOW WE BREAK IT UP, BUT I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE WORKING ON IT GETS GENERATES MORE IDEAS.
WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS SCHNEIDER AND THEN CHE.
SO, UH, I NOTICED A CHANGE IN THE, UM, THE MISSION STATEMENT, UH, THE WORD CONSENSUS IS OUT AND THAT'S FINE.
UM, BUT JUST THINKING BACK TO THE LAST MEETING, I, I DO AGREE WITH THIS SORT OF CONCERNED ABOUT W HOW BROAD WE'RE GOING TO BE OR HOW NARROW WE'RE GOING TO BE, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT US LOOKING FOR THE, THE, THE STUFF THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE RELATIVELY SIMPLE TO DO WOULD LIKELY HAVE BROAD SUPPORT, UM, COULD GO TO COUNCIL WITHOUT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, A LOT OF PROBLEM AND THIS IDEA OF BREAKING THINGS DOWN INTO COMPONENTS THAT MAY BE, UH, UH, UH, WAY TO GO.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HEADED DOWN A PATH WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVERY IDEA THAT'S EVER BEEN SURFACED BEFORE.
IT'S JUST GOING TO GET SURFACED AGAIN, AND IT'S GOING TO GET PACKAGED UP AND GOT, YOU KNOW, THREE VOTES OR FOUR, YOU KNOW, AND NOT MOVE US FORWARD IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY COUNCIL CAN, CAN PASS.
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UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT.I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT.
AND MAYBE THE CO-SPONSORS CAN COMMENT ON THAT.
DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND MR. SHEA? SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IN, IN, IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON I'VE TALKED AND, UH, THOSE THAT EXPRESS INTEREST ALSO, YOU KNOW, VOICE CONCERNS, IDEAS, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO THE IDEA OF FINDING A WAY TO ORGANIZE, UM, EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, WE WERE REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST.
AND THE GREAT THING IS THAT WE SHOULD ALL HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE NEED.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS AND WE NEED TO SOMEHOW GET IT OUT ON THE TABLE.
AND, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, TELL ME, IT'S LIKE, I MEAN, IF WE'RE DEALING WITH HOUSING RIGHT.
AND TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO GET IT OUT THERE, NO, IDEA'S A BAD IDEA.
WE JUST, AT THIS POINT, JUST GET IT OUT THERE.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE ONCE WE CAN GET THESE ALL TOGETHER, THEN IT COMES TO THE LARGER COMMISSION TO DECIDE, UH, WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
IS THIS A VIABLE PIECE OR IS IT NOT A VIABLE? IS IT, IS IT TOO CONTROVERSIAL? IS IT, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE WE FIND A WAY TO CATEGORIZE THIS.
LIKE WE HAVE ONES THAT ARE NO BRAINERS, YOU KNOW, ONES THAT LET'S SAY COMMISSION ALWAYS ENDS UP APPROVING BECAUSE WE, I DON'T KNOW, IT COULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH SOME ADMINISTRATIVE OR WE COULD JUST TURN IT INTO CODE BECAUSE WE APPROVE IT ANYWAY.
UM, SO ANYWAY, SO FINDING A WAY TO BREAK UP THE GROUP, I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA.
HAVE DIFFERENT GROUPS FOCUS ON DIFFERENT THINGS, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU MENTIONED AFFORDABLE OR IN MY, IN MY MIND, I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
LIKE THERE'S THE HORIZONTAL AND THERE'S THE VERTICAL, AND THEN THERE'S THE USE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A GROUP THAT MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ZONING WISE AND ENTITLEMENTS WISE COULD BE TWEAKED THERE'S ONES THAT COULD BE LOOKING AT ALL THE HORIZONTAL, WHICH IS ANYTHING THAT'S SITE RELATED, WHICH COULD BE ENVIRONMENTAL TOO.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PART.
AND THEN THERE'S THE VERTICAL ASPECT, WHICH COULD BE, UH, ANYWHERE FROM MCMANSION TO FORMS, UH, ALSO BRIDGES INTO COMPATIBILITY.
BUT IF WE HAVE THE GROUPS SPLIT UP LIKE THAT, COME UP WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS FROM THAT, AND THEN BRING IT TO THE GREATER COMMISSION.
AND AT THAT POINT WE COULD THINK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONES DO WE TAKE TO THE NEXT STEP? BUT, UM, WE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT A WAY TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE TO HAVING MORE PEOPLE, TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WERE THINKING TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO, TO BREAK IT UP, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO THE ANSWER, YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST GLAD WE'RE GETTING THE TRACTION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO JUST FOR PROCESS, UH, HELPED ME AS A PARLIAMENTARIAN, MR. RIVERA.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.
HOW MUCH LATITUDE DO WE HAVE THIS EVENING TO ALTER, UH, TO BREAK THIS INTO MULTIPLE WORKING GROUPS OR TO CHANGE KIND OF THE SCOPE, UH, IN ANY WAY, UM, WHAT, WHAT FLEXIBILITY TO DO WE HAVE TO SEE IN ME
BUT WE COULDN'T TONIGHT CHOOSE TO FORM TWO WORKING GROUPS.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE, CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WAS POSTED.
SO WE ONLY HAVE TONIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO WORK.
UM, WELL, SO JUST GO AHEAD AND START COX, JUST A SUGGESTION.
I MEAN, COULD, COULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WORKING GROUP AS DESCRIBED, BUT INFORMALLY TASK THEM WITH THE FIRST THING IS TO DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO STRUCTURE THIS TOPIC VIA WORKING GROUPS IN THE COMMISSION.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A PART OF THAT, MAYBE MAYBE DISCUSS THE BEST WAY THEY THINK TO, UH, TO, TO, TO MAKE THOSE DIVISIONS BETWEEN THE WORKING GROUP.
UH, I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY WITHIN THE SCOPE AS IT'S WRITTEN THAT, AND WE COULD ASK THAT IT BE DONE THAT KIND OF THEIR FIRST, THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS KIND OF, UH, COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE BREAK THIS THING UP.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING SO FAR.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, STAN? I THINK THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, SO LET'S SAY WE DETERMINE AN ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE AND IF THAT ORIGINAL GROUP DECIDES THAT, OKAY, WELL, I WANT TO BE LOOKING AT THE HORIZONTAL, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT VERTICAL.
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DO WE BREAK THAT GROUP INTO TWO AND THEN ADD OTHERS? YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? WE COULD, AND I'M CHECKING HERE.WE COULD DISBAND THAT GROUP ALMOST AND THEN REFORM NEW GROUPS OR KEEP THAT ONE GOING AND REFORM A SECOND.
I THINK, UH, YEAH, WE WOULD TAKE ANOTHER MEETING THOUGH.
RIGHT? AND SO WHAT WE COULD DO, I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT WHAT WE COULD DO IS CHARGE.
WHOEVER WANTS TO BE ON THIS FIRST GROUP.
AND IF YOU WANT TO JUMP OFF OR NOW YOU CAN JUMP OFF FOR NOW AND THEN JUMP BACK IN ONCE WE FIGURE OUT, UM, WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TH TH WHAT THE DIFFERENT GROUPS TASKS MIGHT BE.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO JUMP IN LATER VERSUS ON THIS BIG PICTURE, HOW TO ORGANIZE IT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THIS CONVERSATION, UM, BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUMP ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO NUTS AND BOLTS.
UH, BUT MINIATURES ARE, THANK YOU, JERRY.
I REALLY JUST HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE IS CAN EVERYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN THE WORKING GROUP SHARE THEIR INTEREST.
I KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER PRAXIS AND HOWARD HAVE BOTH EXPRESSED INTEREST WHO ARE NOT THERE OF ALL THE PEOPLE PRESENT HERE, WHO ALL IS INTERESTED, JUST SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE OVERALL NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO THAT'S, WHY DO THEY GET THIS RIGHT? THAT'S 10 PEOPLE.
SO WE HAVE CLARITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 FOLKS HERE, SO IT COULD EASILY BE DO GROUPS.
UM, MY SECOND QUESTION WAS, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, THAT I THINK THE WORKING GROUP THAT WE'RE FORMING RIGHT NOW IS NOT LOOKING AT BALLSY, BUT LOOKING AT THE PROCESS FOR HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, IN WHICH CASE I WOULD GLADLY STEP OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DECIDE PROCESS.
OR I WOULD SAY THAT WE DON'T FORM THIS GROUP TODAY.
AND ESSENTIALLY LET, IF COMMISSURE, UH, UH, COX, I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS.
MAYBE JUST YOU COMMISSIONER SHAKE, MICHELLE ANDERSON AND ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED IN THE PROCESS, GO OFF, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND FORM THESE WORKING GROUPS.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE CREATING A HOUSING WORKING GROUP.
WHO'S ONLY LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING, NOT ABOUT HOUSING ITSELF.
SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, LET ME JUST, WELL, I THINK THERE INITIALLY YES.
PROCESS, BUT IT MAY BE, UM, AFTER THAT DISCUSSION THAT THEY JUST CARRY ON.
I MEAN, IT MAY BE THAT THEY ARE THE GROUP.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST BROAD ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN START BRINGING BACK THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN WE CAN HEAR WHAT THEY RECOMMEND.
UM, I, I WOULD, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND I'D LIKE TO GET SOMETHING STARTED AND APPROVED.
SO AT LEAST WE FORMALIZED THE GROUP AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND REFORM TWO GROUPS AND LET'S DIVIDE IT LIKE THIS.
OR THEY MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE SHOULD JUST HAVE ONE, ONE GROUP.
AND, UH, THIS IS WHY WE MAY NOT AGREE.
UH, BUT JUST TO GET SOME DISCUSSION GOING.
AND I THINK THIS, LIKE, I THINK IT JUST STARTS THE CONVERSATION.
UM, BUT I HEAR YOU WOULD RATHER, SO THERE'S, WELL, I GUESS IN THAT CASE, I'M STAYING ON, I'LL STAY ON.
I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT IT TO DO ANY WRENCHES AND DO THIS.
IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO IGNORE EVERYTHING I SAID, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR NO, IT'S GOOD CONVERSATION.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY BRIEFLY THAT I'M, I SHARE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER COX RAISED.
I THINK THIS IS FAR TOO BROAD, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S, WITHOUT NAMING IT, THERE'S AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMPTIONS, DEPENDING ON WHO'S COMING TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS ABOUT CAPACITY, AFFORDABILITY, QUALITY SUSTAINABILITY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS TO HOUSING BESIDES CAPACITY THAT ARE ACTUALLY REALLY, REALLY CRITICAL WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLANNING.
AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, THERE, I EXPRESSED THIS LAST TIME, SO I WON'T GO ON TOO MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S AN, A REALLY IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF TRANSPARENCY ABOUT KEEPING THE BROAD AND THE SPECIFIC THAT'S POSTED IN THESE PUBLIC CONVERSATIONS.
UM, SO I DO SUPPORT OUTSIDE WORK IN THE WORKING GROUPS, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT IT BEING MORE SPECIFIC.
AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IF THIS GROUP IS CREATED TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON IT.
BUT I WOULD ALSO, UH, I'M PRIMARILY IN FAVOR OF NOT CREATING THIS GROUP AT THIS MOMENT AND SPECIFYING MORE CLEARLY WHAT WE WANT OUR WORKING GROUPS TO WORK ON, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT ALSO MAKES ME, UM, DEDICATE MY ENERGY MORE.
I'VE MADE MISTAKES OF, YOU KNOW, SIGNING ONTO A WORKING GROUP AND NOT BEING ABLE TO BE THERE.
UM, SO I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SIGNING UP FOR.
I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST BECAUSE I MAY WANT TO BUILD ON WHAT YOU SAY.
FIRST I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY WHAT I SAID A MINUTE AGO, AS FAR AS, UH, THE, THE INFORMATION PRESENTED TO THE ASD BOARD ABOUT AISD TEACHERS, AND IT'S LESS THAN 1% ARE EARNING BELOW 60% AND THE REST ARE EARNING
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ABOVE 60%.SO OF COURSE, ANY PROGRAM THAT IS ONLY SERVING FOLKS EARNING BELOW 60%, THAT EXCLUDES 99% OF SCHOOL TEACHERS.
AND I, THERE WAS A SPEAKER HERE AND I HATE THE IDEA OF ANYONE HEARING US TALK ABOUT THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO, THINKING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PRODUCE FEWER HOMES AT 60% AND BELOW, OR FOR ANYONE ELSE, I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR GOAL HERE WOULD BE EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING AND MORE AND MORE AND A WHOLE LOT MORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PRODUCING ENOUGH HOMES FOR PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY IN THE CITY.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FROM THIS GROUP AND THEN MOVE OVER HERE.
IT'S NOT THAT IT'S, WHAT ARE, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TO GROW IS WHAT I'M HOPING TO SEE US DO.
AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT THERE'S 10 FOLKS IN THIS COMMISSION THAT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS.
AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED A WORKING GROUP TO THINK ABOUT BREAKING THIS UP.
I WOULD JUST HOPE WE POSTPONE FOR TWO WEEKS AND POST CORRECTLY AND HAVE TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT COME BACK WITH GREAT IDEAS FOR US TO START MOVING THE NEEDLE ON HOUSING.
I, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, UH, DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO WHO IS TASKED WITH GOING TO COME UP WITH THESE, THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIDS WHEN WE POST FOR THE WORKING GROUPS, IT'S GOTTA BE PRETTY SPECIFIC.
SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY MEETING TO KIND OF COME UP, YOU KNOW, BACK TO COMMISSIONER SARS SUGGESTION.
I MEAN, A WORKING GROUP HAS JUST SAID, IT'S PEOPLE JUST GETTING TOGETHER TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
SO I THINK, UM, WHAT WE'VE KIND OF AGREED TO HERE IS THAT, UH, MOSTLY WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW IS THAT ANSWER KIND OF HOW A RECOMMENDATION.
WE NEED PEOPLE TO START TALKING ABOUT HOW WE BREAK THIS UP, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, UNLESS WE ASK PEOPLE TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT IT.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO COME BACK HERE AND TALK MORE LIKE WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW.
SO WE NEED MORE SPECIFICS TO THEN PUT ON THE AGENDA AND POST AND, AND, AND CONSIDER.
SO I NEED SOME PEOPLE TO GET TOGETHER, UH, TO JUST HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE BREAK THIS THING UP.
UM, COMMISSIONER COX, COMMISSIONER SHAY, AND THEN LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DECIDE ON WHAT TO DO WITH THIS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION, CAUSE IT'S REALLY FUNNY LISTENING TO THIS.
HEY, THIS ITEM CAME FROM COMMISSIONER SHEA AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, RIGHT? AND WE'VE HEARD BOTH COMMISSIONERS SAYING COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, TALKED ABOUT THIS WORKING GROUP, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
THIS IS JUST MY PERSPECTIVE THAT WHEN I LISTENED TO COMMISSIONER SHADE, DESCRIBE THE WORKING GROUP.
LIKE HE WANTS TO PLAY WITH THE PIECES AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE, CHANGE THINGS LIKE SPECIFICALLY IN THE CODE, TWEAK THINGS HERE OR THERE TO MAKE THINGS EASIER OR BETTER, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WHEN COMMISSIONER ANDERSON SPEAKS TO IT, IT'S MORE ABOUT JUST THE PRINCIPLES OF, OF EXPANDING HOUSING.
HE'S STARTING TO TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MISSING MIDDLE CLASS CATEGORY THAT WE'RE NOT ACHIEVING FOR SOME REASON.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S, IT'S A BIT LESS ABOUT THE TECHNICALS AND MORE ABOUT THE SOCIETAL IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TALK.
AND SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE JUST AS AN IDEA THAT MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S BASIS FOR HAVING A MORE TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP.
UM, AND THEN ONE THAT'S LESS TECHNICAL.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO FORMULATE THAT.
I Y'ALL ALL KNOW THAT I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER.
WE ALL KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER SHAY IS AN ARCHITECT.
AND SO WHEN WE GET INTO THIS, WE'RE TALKING TECHNICAL, UM, WHEREAS YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE HERE ON THIS COMMISSION ARE PART OF OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR PART OF, UH, UNIONIZING AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
AND SO, AND SO THEY HAVE THE CONTEXT TO TALK MORE ABOUT KIND OF THE HUMANITY PART OF HOUSING.
UM, AND SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE CAUSE THAT MAY SPARK SOME IDEAS ON HOW WE CAN PROCEED WITH YEAH.
UH, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO BEFORE ME, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK, UH, THING TO JUST REMIND US ALL THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CAN ONLY MAKE CHANGES TO THE CODE.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH I TALK ABOUT LOW WAGE JOBS OR REPRODUCTIVE JUSTICE OR ANYTHING AT THE END OF THE DAY, I CAN ONLY DEFINE WHAT IS IN THE GOLD AND THAT'S MY CHARGE AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
SO I GUESS THAT'S ONE THING TO JUST REMEMBER.
AND I COULD, I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I HOPE THAT THAT'S PART OF THIS SPACE, THAT EVEN IF YOU FORM A WORKING GROUP, ANYONE AND EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO BRING ANY ITEM, DO THIS, UH, DYESS FOR DISCUSSION AS INITIATING A GORDON MANDMENT, UM, AND ALL IT NEEDS IS DO PEOPLE TO BRING IT TO THE AGENDA.
AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT ANYONE BECAUSE I THINK ALL CONVERSATIONS ARE IMPORTANT.
SO BEYOND THE WORKING GROUP, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING ANYTHING, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT AND WHAT THAT ON OUR AGENDA.
UM, AND QUICKLY I WOULD ADD THAT KIND OF THAT, THAT DIVERSITY IN THAT KIND OF THE WAY PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S TECHNICAL OR MORE BROADLY, AS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED ALL THOSE FOLKS KIND OF AT THE TABLE BECAUSE IT TEND TO, I'M VERY TECHNICAL TOO.
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MISSING THE BIG PICTURE, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK WE NEED BOTH THOSE KIND OF FOLKS IN THE ROOM TO HELP, HELP GUIDE THE CONVERSATION AND LEAD US TO THINGS THAT WILL GET THE CONSENSUS THAT WE WANT ON A NUMBER OF THESE.UM, AND YOU KNOW, COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO THIS TO, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, UM, THAT PROBABLY ARE, THEY GOT IDEAS THAT MAYBE WE CAN TAKE ON SOME OF THOSE AS WELL.
SO I JUST THINK THERE'S PEOPLE ARE, I THINK THE DESIRE TO HELP AND GET STARTED.
UM, AND WHEN I HEAR IS REALLY IF YOU GUYS, THIS GROUP, IF WE CAN JUST FORM A GROUP TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT BRINGING BACK IDEAS ON HOW WE NEED TO TACKLE THIS SAME WITH MORE SPECIFICS, I HEAR PEOPLE WANT MORE DETAIL AS FAR AS KIND OF WORKING GROUP AND WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY CHARGED WITH AND BREAKING IT UP INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
SO THAT FOLKS ARE A LITTLE MORE, UM, WELL THEY KNOW WHERE TO COMMIT THEIR ENERGY CAUSE, UH, RECOGNIZING, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE, ON ITS PALITO, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT AM I DOING? YOU KNOW, AM I REALLY GONNA SPEND ALL THIS TIME? I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON, SPECIFICALLY BRINGING SOME OF THAT DETAIL BACK.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE GET STARTED AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I THINK THAT HAVING NO FIVE PEOPLE GO OFF, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO AND JUST KIND OF SCOPE OUT WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE CAN BRAINSTORM IDEAS IN.
SO ONE AREA MIGHT BE, CAN WE LOOK FOR PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND COME UP WITH SOME RULES AROUND THAT.
AND THAT'S JUST LIKE, THAT'S A BRAINSTORM.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN MAYBE SORT OF ASSIGN THAT TO LIKE THREE DIFFERENT TEAMS OR, OR TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS. AND THEN SAY THESE, THESE IDEAS GO HERE, THESE IDEAS GO HERE AND THEN, BUT IT'S ALREADY STARTING TO BRAINSTORM THE IDEAS.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE BREAK UP INTO TWO SMALLER TEAMS THAT ARE TWO LARGE TEAMS WITH MORE PEOPLE THAT CAN PUT SOME FLESH ON THOSE IDEAS, A COMMISSIONER SHEDDING.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER COX, I MEAN, UM, WHERE I COME FROM, MY STANDPOINT IS, IS YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SO I'M MY STARTING POINT WAS ON, THIS WAS REALLY TO LOOK AT THE NUTS AND BOLTS FOR THOSE OF US THAT DESIGN AND TWEAK INSIDE OF THE INSIDE, INSIDE OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS TO CREATE HOUSING.
THOSE ARE ONES AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE KNOBS WE CAN WORK WITH.
AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S THE NUTS AND BOLTS, RIGHT? AND, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS I'M WANTING TO BREAK.
CAUSE IT'S, IF YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING WITHIN THE CODE AND WE'RE JUST TURNING THE KNOBS, THEN THAT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MORE EASILY COME AND POSSIBLY BRING UP TO COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY RESOLVED QUICKER, MAYBE ADOPTED A LOT EASIER, BUT THERE'S ALSO LARGER TOPICS.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN THE LARGER TOPICS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, CHEMISTRY, TOM, JUST TALKING ABOUT, FOR INSTANCE, AISD SCHOOLS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN THAT'S A LARGER TOPIC WITH THE DEEPER PLANNING ASPECT TO IT, SO THAT WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND MAYBE, MAYBE WE DO FIND A WAY TO BREAK INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUTS AND BOLTS GROUP AND ANOTHER ONE WHO LOOKS AT THE BIGGER PICTURE GROUP, UM, AND WHERE THAT BIGGER PICTURE COMES, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE TALK ABOUT, IS IT EQUITABLE, YOU KNOW, DRIVEN THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT BECOMES THE PLACE LIKE, UM, LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS TALKING ABOUT IS WE CAN SUPPORT BRINGING UP FOR DISCUSSION ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
AND I THINK THOSE THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE ON THE DYESS, THAT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT.
THOSE THINGS, UM, OF WHAT THE IDEA IS, WHAT THE TOOLS THAT WE RECOMMEND, HOW DOES THAT FIT IN THE LARGER BALANCE OF THINGS? AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE PART OF VERSUS THEN JUST A FEW SMALL PEOPLE.
SO I FEEL LIKE THE IDEA IS TO BRING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NUTS AND BOLTS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FOR ME, YOU KNOW, AND I'D SAY COMMISSIONER COX, TO ME, YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HIT KIND OF YOUR OBSERVATION WAS CORRECT ON WHAT I WAS SAYING VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ARE, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, MICHELLE ANDERSON, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOKING AT THE BROADER PICTURE OR ARE YOU LOOKING ALSO NUTS AND BOLTS? I JUST SEE HOUSING AS BEING VERY BROKEN IN THE CITY.
AND SO THE FEWER CONSTRAINTS WE HAVE ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE, I THINK THE BETTER, CAUSE LET'S JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT AND SEE WHERE WE CAN MOVE THE NEEDLE THE MOST AND BRING THOSE IDEAS FORWARD.
I KNOW I DON'T TALK OFTEN, BUT, UM, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS STAY SORT OF A BROADER PICTURE WORK GROUP FOR NOW AND SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE SINCE CODE NEXT, ISN'T MOVING FORWARD.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE OF HONESTLY, THE CODE BEING A HARDSHIP, WHICH ISN'T A HARDSHIP AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DOCTOR THE HARDSHIP TO SAY, WELL, THE CODE IS BROKEN, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
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IF WE LEAVE IT BROADER, WE COVER ALL THESE DIFFERENT AREAS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'RE SEEING, MAYBE IF WE MAKE IT TOO NARROW, IT'LL IT'LL, IT'LL CAUSE US TO MISS SOMETHING OVERALL.AND I MEAN, THAT'S NOT EVEN ADDRESSING LIKE THE BIG AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR EVEN DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH GETS MISSED SO OFTEN ON ALL OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, IN MY OPINION, BUT BROAD, BROADEST, I THINK THE WAY WE SHOULD BE GOING WITH THIS, UM, LET'S A FEW MORE COMMENTS AND I THINK WE'RE, AND I THINK I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OBJECTIONS WE'VE GONE WAY OVER EIGHT SLOTS.
SO I THINK THIS IS BORNE IT'S, UM, UH, SO GOING THE, UH, COMMISSIONING AND AS PLATO, AND THEN LET'S SEE IF WE CAN, UM, KIND OF HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD.
WELL, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF THOSE SPECIFIC ISSUES ARE COMING UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM INTRODUCED HERE, UM, TO BE DISCUSSED AS A COMMISSION, IF THERE, UM, SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP BECAUSE I, I THINK THEY WARRANT A DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION.
UM, OR MAYBE SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC IDEAS COULD INFORM THE WAY WE CREATE MORE SPECIFIC WORKING GROUPS TO ACTUALLY DIG DEEP ON, ON THOSE ISSUES RATHER THAN CASTING A NET SO WIDE THAT IT COULD ENCOMPASS THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS, BUT HAS THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING REALLY UNRULY.
OKAY, I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO THAT CAUSE I'M SORRY, FOLKS.
I'VE BEEN HERE YEARS AND MAYBE I'M GUILTY OF THIS TOO.
WE HAVE ISSUES COME UP AND TO COMMIT YOUR, AS OURS POINT, ALL OF US HAVE THE ABILITY TO START A CODE AMENDMENT.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY SIMPLE AND WE HAVE DONE IT ON A FEW OCCASIONS, BUT I MEAN, WHEN WE SEE A SPECIFIC DETAIL LIKE AN ISSUE AND WE'LL BRING IT UP AND I HEAR, WE, WE SOMETIMES COMPLAIN ABOUT ONE THING OR ANOTHER, BUT THE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY WE ARE THAT COMMISSION THAT CAN INITIATE A CODE AMENDMENT AND IT'S, AND WE SHOULD DO MORE OF THAT.
IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC DETAIL THAT WE CAN ATTACK AND GO AFTER AND CHANGE AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE, LET'S DO IT.
UM, SO I THINK THIS IS, WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT ODD ZONE, WE ALL WANT TO DO SOMETHING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE JUST NEED TO, AT THIS POINT, LET'S START THE CONVERSATION.
THERE'S NOTHING, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT AND JUST BRING YOU SOME IDEAS BACK, BREAKING IT UP TO SMALLER GROUPS AT THAT POINT.
THAT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
AND I'D SAY THE GUARD RAILS ON THIS THING ARE REALLY, LET'S BE CLEAR.
WE'VE GOT AN EXISTING, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT ARE OUR GUARD RAILS.
WE SHOULDN'T GO OUTSIDE OF THOSE THINGS IN COMING UP WITH OUR IDEAS, THE CODE NEEDS TO BE INFLUENCED BY THOSE, UH, BY THOSE PLANNING, UM, CONFERENCE, THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS, COMMISSIONER, COS I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ONE MORE CHANCE AND LET'S, LET'S TRY TO DECIDE ON HOW TO MAP I WAS GOING TO DO YOU NEED A MOTION? I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION WHERE IT'S PRETTY.
LET'S GO SAY, CAN I JUST THROW OUT A MOTION AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED? YEAH.
SO I WONDER WHAT, UH, WE CAN'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DEVIATE TOO MUCH WITH THE SCOPE IT'S POSTED, BUT GO AHEAD.
I THINK, UM, W WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, CAUSE I, I GENERALLY AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENTS CHAIR.
UM, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS THAT WE MAKE A MOTION TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE HOUSING WORKING GROUP AS DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A WITH ADDED INSTRUCTION FROM THE COMMISSION TO PRESENT TO THE FULL COMMISSION ON, I'M JUST PICKING A DATE SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2022, UM, OF THESE SPECIFIC TOPICS THAT THE WORKING GROUP HAS IDENTIFIED AS THEIR INITIAL TASKS AND THEN THE INITIAL TASK THAT THEY WANT TO LOOK AT.
AND THEN AS A FULL COMMISSION, WE CAN THEN DECIDE WHETHER THERE'S A NEED OR NOT TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL WORKING GROUPS TO TACKLE THOSE TASKS.
OR IF THE WORKING GROUP AS FORMS IS PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DOING THEM, DID SOMEONE GET THAT MOTION? UM, LET'S I DON'T THINK WE, SO LET ME MAKE THEM SIT FOR, I THINK WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO.
IT'S NOT THINK ABOUT HOW TO BREAK UP THE, THE TEAMS IS REALLY WHAT I HEARD.
AND I WOULD SAY, WE WANT TO DO THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY, UH, ANY RESPONSE TO THAT.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT INSTRUCTIONS TO THIS GROUP THAN WHAT YOU PROPOSED.
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THOSE INSTRUCTIONS, BUT KIND OF IN TWO WEEKS.I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE NICE, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT IS SOBER.
AND, AND AS FAR AS FOR THE MAKEUP OF THIS GROUP FOR THE SPECIFIC INITIAL TASK, RIGHT.
UM, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO BE ON IT FOR THIS FIRST PART OF THE DISCUSSION, THEN PLEASE BE ON IT.
BUT WHEN WE COME BACK, THEY'LL WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, SHUFFLE THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOTTA BE POSTED OR WHATEVER, BUT, UM, SO WHOEVER'S INTERESTED IN THIS FIRST CONVERSATION, PLEASE BE ON THIS WORKING GROUP.
IF YOU WANT TO BE IN THE LATER PART TO GEEK OUT ON THAT, THEN GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THIS LARGER CONVERSATION.
FIRST, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE ON IT AND THE MOTION WASN'T INTENDED TO, TO LEAD TO THE BREAKUP OF ANYTHING AND THE MOTION WASN'T INTENDED TO MAKE YOUR FIRST CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PROCESS EMOTION WAS INTENDED TO, TO SEE WHAT THE INITIAL THOUGHTS ARE RELATED TO HOUSING THAT, THAT, THAT WE, THAT THE WORKING GROUP WANTS TO TACKLE AND JUST PRESENT THAT TO THE COMMISSION.
AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AT THAT TIME IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.
I'M STILL WORKING ON KIND OF THE LANGUAGE.
SO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON MR. RIVERA IS JUST KIND OF, UH, THE, WE HAVE THE TASK THINK WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, UH, THE SCOPE OF THE GROUP, BUT MAYBE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE WORKING GROUP ON THEIR FIRST ACTION AND THE DATE FOR THAT ACTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COVER TOGETHER HERE.
SO, UM, AS, UH, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO GIVE ANOTHER SHOT AT TRYING TO SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'RE CAUSE I'M HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS.
I WASN'T GOING TO TRY TO REFRAME IT.
I WAS JUST SECONDING ED, SO, OKAY.
SO WE NEED TO, CAN WE CLEARLY STATE THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE WORK GROUP AND THE DATE THAT WE WANT THEM TO HAVE SOMETHING BACK TO ME.
UH, SOMEBODY WANTED TO GIVE AN ATTEMPT TO THAT BASED ON THE DISCUSSION CAUSE, UH, CAN WE HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER SHAY AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WHAT THEY FEEL IS A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME TO COME BACK TO THE CONDITION WITH TOPICS? SO, UM, I MEAN, I, TO ME IT'S LIKE EVERY WEEK WE, WE DON'T REALLY GET IN THE NUTS AND BOLTS.
I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE LOSING TIME.
SO I THINK IN TWO WEEKS, THE GROUP SHOULD COME BACK WITH THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW TO ORGANIZE, UM, THE TASK, YOU KNOW, AND I REALLY, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT, I HOPE IT'S GOING TO COME OUT ON WHAT THE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS ARE INTERESTED IN DOING.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED TO MY MIND, MY IDEAS TO GEEK OUT ON THE NUTS AND BOLTS, YOU KNOW, AND DIVE INTO THOSE THAT WORK WITHIN THE TOOLS, YOU KNOW, ON AN EVERY DAY BASIS, LIKE THE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS, OTHERS MIGHT BE LOOKING AT MORE LARGER CONCEPTS, BUT AT LEAST IT WILL BE FLESHED OUT, YOU KNOW, BY THAT GROUP TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO SEE WHAT NATURALLY COMES ABOUT THAT MAYBE IT'S BROKEN UP OR MAYBE THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE IN IT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE TAKE OUR GROUP AND YOU SAID, ARE YOUR TWO TEAMS WITHIN OUR GROUP? ONE TEAM GOES THIS WAY.
THE OTHER TEAM GOES THAT WAY AND WE COME BACK, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, BUT AT LEAST WE'D HAVE A LARGER DISCUSSION WITH, WITH JUST THOSE OF US THAT, UM, WANT TO BE, UH, TASKED WITH THIS INITIAL PART IS, UM, BUT I MEAN, THE MAIN THING IS JUST SO YOU KNOW, TO CHERISH AWE IS THAT WHEN WE COME BACK TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE THAT WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
WE HAVE A WAY TO RE REASSEMBLE, OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER MITCHELL TODDLER, YOU HAVE BEEN, YOU HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE, SO, BUT I HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO SOMEBODY HAS TO ANSWER THEM.
I'M GOING TO TRY AND MAKE THEM PRETTY EASY AND CLEAR.
UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO VOTE ON? WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, OH, YOU DID HAVE A SECOND.
YEAH, I GUESS I WASN'T CLEAR ON THE INSTRUCTIONS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY.
KEN, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RESTATE THE MOTION.
UH, THE MOTION I BELIEVE ON THE TABLE IS TO APPROVE THE HOUSING WORKING GROUP AS DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A, WHICH OUTLINES THE TASK IN THE MEMBERSHIP WITH SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION FROM THE COMMISSION THAT THE WORKING GROUP PRESENT
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TO THE COMMISSION ON THE JULY 26 MEETING THE SPECIFIC INITIAL TOPICS THAT THE WORKING GROUP WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OR REVIEW OR TACKLE, WHATEVER VERB IT'S IN THERE.SO MAY I OFFER A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CHANGE AMENDMENT OR ADDENDUM.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS FOR AN AMENDMENT.
I WILL OFFER TO AMEND THAT, TO SAY THAT THE WORKING GROUP WILL RETURN WITH A PLAN FOR THE SPECIFIC ACTION ITEMS. SO WE WILL HAVE CLEAR WORDING FROM THAT WORKING GROUP ON WHAT THEIR DIRECTIVES WILL BE, AND WE CAN ASSIGN DIFFERENT MEMBERS TO THOSE SPECIFIC DIRECTIVES.
WELL, I I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT THAT'S PROPOSED.
UH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PLAN? OKAY.
WE, UH, SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A SECOND TO THAT AMENDMENT YET.
SO COMMISSION IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTS TO SECOND THAT, SO, SO DO WE, UM, AGAIN, WE NEED, UM, WAIT, WHAT WAS THE MOTION? WELL, IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO CLARIFY THE INSTRUCTION LANGUAGE BY COMMISSIONER MOVES COLOR SO THAT THE WORKING GROUP IS APPROVED AND THEY'RE TASKED WITH LISTING OUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT WILL BE WORKED ON AFTER IT COMES BACK ON THE JULY 26TH, THEY WILL PRESENT US.
HERE ARE AS THE THREE ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON ARE THE FOUR ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON.
THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE BROKEN INTO SEPARATE WORKING GROUPS IF NEEDED CHAIRMAN READY TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE, HELP ME MAKE A SUBSTITUTE, BUT JEREMY'S GOING TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE THAT WE BOTH BOMBED THIS ITEM.
IT IS VERY OBVIOUS THAT WE ALL DO NOT AGREE OR UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING MEANS.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO OFF, HAVE A CONVERSATION AND COME BACK.
UM, AND I THINK BECAUSE OF WORKING GROUP AS A SUB QUORUM, ANYWAYS, I THINK WE HAVE A SUB QUORUM HERE.
WHO'S INTERESTED IN SHAPING WHAT THE WORK GROUPS LOOK LIKE.
I THINK IT MAKES SENSE THAT THEY GO OFF HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM FOR TWO WEEKS AND COME BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
OKAY, I'M GOING TO SECOND THAT CAUSE THAT I WAS GONNA SAY SORT OF THAT, BUT NOT AS WELL.
AND I, AND I, AND I'M SORRY TO DO THIS, BUT I'M WALLEN TELLING PEOPLE AND Y'ALL CAN IGNORE ME, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER GAWKS COMMISSIONER SHAKE MR. ANDERSON, AND MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHER FOLKS SHOULD HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR POST YOU'RE THE SECOND, OKAY.
UM, DO, UH, ANYBODY WANT TO TALK TO THIS? WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT IN TWO WEEKS.
SO I'VE GOT PEOPLE COMMITTED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
UH, SO DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE REALLY QUICK.
DOES THAT MEAN WE NEED TO TELL STAFF TO CHANGE THE POSTING LANGUAGE BECAUSE ISN'T THE LANGUAGE THAT'S GOING TO BE POSTED AGAIN, JUST GOING TO LOCK US INTO THIS SAME CONVERSATION.
UH, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION.
UH, WELL, IT'LL JUST BE AN OPEN DISCUSSION LIKE WE DID JUST UNLESS THEY GET SOMETHING TO ANDREW BEFORE THE MEETING, WHICH IS SORT OF LIKE WHAT WE DID THIS TIME.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE DETAILED AS TO WHAT THE WORKING GROUP OR WORKING GROUPS WILL CONSIDER AND UH, AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED MULTIPLE WORKING GROUPS.
AND CAN I KINDA GAUGE I AM THE SUB NON CORUM GROUP THAT I CAN COUNT ON? I MEAN, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON MAY, UM, COMMISSIONER COX, MAYBE I MISS.
AND THEN IF ANYBODY ELSE, THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW, JUST KIND OF THIS BIG PICTURE APPROACH OF HOW TO GET STARTED.
SO I W I JUST WANT TO CHECK, UM, ANDREW, ARE WE THIS SUB FORUM? IT'S JUST A GROUP GETTING TOGETHER.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE ALL, WE'RE GOOD.
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LOWER QUORUM NUMBERS.SO, UH, I'M GLAD I JUST WANTED THE CONVERSATION TO BE HAD IF THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO DO IT, THEN THAT'S GREAT.
SO LET'S VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION QUICKLY.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM SO THAT IT'S ON THE DIOCESE IN FAVOR OF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION, AND THOSE ARE VIRTUALLY OKAY.
UM, SO WE, UH, DISPOSE OF ITEM D ONE.
NOW WE'RE JUST UPDATES IN EACH.
OH, WE HAVE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? ALL RIGHT.
[F. BOARDS, COMMITTEES & WORKING GROUPS UPDATES]
UPDATES, UH, CODES AND ORDINANCE JOINT COMMITTEE.UM, VICE-CHAIR DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE THERE? YEAH.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, FLOOD PLAIN REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY, UM, WITH REBUILDING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UM, IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
SO I THINK THAT ONE IS MAKING ITS WAY TOWARDS THIS BODY.
UM, AND WE GOT AN UPDATE ON A GENERAL UPCOMING AND CURRENT CODE AMENDMENTS, UM, FROM, UH, MR. GREG DENTON.
COMPETENT CONFERENCE TO PLANT JOINT COMMITTEE.
UH, MR. COX, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU CAN ADD? WE, YEAH.
UH, CHRISTOPHER FLORES GAVE THE UPDATE AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAVEN'T MET SINCE THE LAST TIME.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE COMMISSIONER PRACTICES HERE FOR JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, A SMALLER PLANNING, NO MEETING.
SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT, ANY ACTIVITY THERE NEXT WEEK.
SO, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM COMMISSIONERS BEFORE? UM, UH, WE HAD TURNED OKAY.
IF THERE'S NO OPPOSITION, WE'LL GO AHEAD.
AND, UH, DURING THIS MEETING AT NINE 20, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.