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ALRIGHTY, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CONVENE THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION HERE ON TUESDAY, JULY 26TH, 2022.

THE TIME IS NINE 11.

UM, THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION AND TEST IN ANTICIPATION OF OUR COUNCIL MEETING ON, ON THURSDAY COLLEAGUES.

WE HAVE A CHOCK FULL AGENDA, ALMOST 200 ITEMS ON THURSDAY.

UM, THERE'S A BEDDING LINE DEVELOPING ON WHEN OUR END TIME WILL BE ON THURSDAY.

I THEN I HOPE WE SURPRISED THE WORLD.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT DEPENDS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE ON BEING ABLE TO WORK THROUGH OR IDENTIFY ISSUES.

UH, TODAY WE HAVE A CHOCK FULL WORK SESSION AGENDA TODAY, AND WE HAVE A HARD STOP AT FIVE O'CLOCK, UH, BECAUSE WE'LL LOSE THE, THE SYSTEM THAT'S NECESSARY TO, UH, BROADCAST THIS TO THE COMMUNITY IN GOING THROUGH THE, UH, AGENDA.

I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE BEGIN WITH A DISCUSSION ON THE BUDGET WRITER PROCESS, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A RELATIVELY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES, UH, ON THAT, UH, WITH WHAT THE STAFF PROPOSED.

SO I WANT TO TEE THAT UP FOR CONVERSATION, EVEN IF WE DON'T RESOLVE IT TODAY, UH, TO GIVE STAFF A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION ON THAT, THEN I PROPOSE WE GO IMMEDIATELY THEN INTO THE POLL ITEMS, UH, THAT ARE GOING TO BE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED ON THURSDAY.

WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER A FIRST THE, UH, HOUSING BOND.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE LONG JUST TO TOUCH BASE ON THAT AS IT'S COMING UP, UH, UH, GOING THROUGH AN ORDER, THE LIVE MUSIC VENUE ITEM THAT COUNCIL, THE MAYOR PRO TEM POLLED, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY PULLED THE LICENSE PLATE, A READER MADE COUNCIL MEMBER.

CUENTAS PULLED THE LICENSE PLATE READER, UH, ISSUE TO TOUCH BASE ON THAT YOU'LL RECALL.

WE HAD SET THAT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION THIS WEEK, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT THIS WEEK, WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.

UH, ITEM NUMBER 1 32 HAS BEEN PULLED.

IT'S A STATESMEN POD COUNCIL MEMBER TOVAR.

I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE THAT UP WITH THE STATE SPUD ITEM, UH, BRIEFING WHEN WE'LL HAVE THE STAFF HERE TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'LL BE THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, THE STAFF IS NOT GOING TO BE HERE TO LODGE THERE WITH THE COUNTY NEAR WHAT TIME? UM, AFTER LUNCH ARE WE DOING EXECUTIVE SESSION OVER LUNCH AND THE HOPE IS TO DO EXECUTIVE SESSION OVER LUNCH.

SO IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE UNTIL WHAT DO YOU THINK? ONE O'CLOCK TWO O'CLOCK.

THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS, AT LEAST TWO O'CLOCK.

I JUST WANT TO LET THE STAFF KNOW SO THAT THEY'RE OKAY.

YEAH.

MY GUESS IS NOT SOCCER BEING ANY EARLIER THAN ONE O'CLOCK TWO O'CLOCK IS PROBABLY MORE REASONABLE GIVEN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, THEY'RE OVER THAT STAFF IS OVER, UH, BRIEFING THE COUNTY THIS MORNING.

UH, I HAVE US DISCUSSING HEALTH SOUTH, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO, UH, PULLED, UH, IT'S REAL BRIEF, UH, ON THE AIRPORT, UH, EXPANSION, UH, A CONSULTANT CONTRACT, THE COUNCIL MEMBER WENT THIS BOLD AND THEN THE ARCH CONTRACT WITH, UM, UM, UH, URBAN, UH, ALCHEMY, UH, WHICH IS, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER.

TOBO PAUL ALSO TO BE DISCUSSED.

WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THOSE PULLED ITEMS. UH, IF WE CAN, UH, WE HAVE THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION.

UH, AS I POSTED ON THE BOARD, DON'T ANTICIPATE ACTION ON THE PARKLAND DEDICATION, UH, UH, ITEM TODAY.

UH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SET IT SO THAT IT CAN BE ACTED ON AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS WHEN WE'RE SETTING THE, UM, SETTING THE B'S.

UH, BUT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT TODAY AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY THE CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT WITH US ON THURSDAY.

UM, SO, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN JUST A MIRROR DISCUSSION ITEM BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE GIVEN HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.

THEN I HAVE IS TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICT ON

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THE STATESMEN POD BRIEFING TALKING REALLY QUICKLY ABOUT THE UPDATE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE RESOLUTION.

THERE'S A MEMO THAT I THINK IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'LL TAKE, BUT JUST A SECOND, UH, MOSTLY TO JUST SEE IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

UH, AND THEN, UH, I HAVE US, UH, HOPEFULLY DURING LUNCH, AT LEAST STARTING WITH THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE COULD COME BACK AND FINISH WITH EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, BUT WE HAVE THE SALE OR TRANSFER OF THE, UH, SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPONS, UH, HEALTH SOUTH, UH, THE 96, 11 MCNEIL ROAD AND, AND, UH, REAL PROPERTY, UH, THAT COULD BE USED TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT I SEE THAT HAS THE SCHEDULE OR TRY TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH, AGAIN, A LOT OF THINGS FOR US TO GET THROUGH.

SO IF CAN PUSH, UH, TO GET THROUGH ALL THIS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT, EVERYBODY.

OKAY.

YES, KATHY.

YEAH, SOUTH, BUT IT'S MY INTENTION TO DISCUSS THAT IN OPEN SESSION, IF WE DISCUSS IT IN OPEN SESSION TODAY RATHER THAN THURSDAY TO DISCUSS IT AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION.

OKAY.

AND I WAS GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD RESERVE SOME OF TODAY JUST TO TALK THROUGH THURSDAY AND KIND OF HOW WE MIGHT MANAGE THAT AGENDA AND, AND GET THROUGH IT AT A REASONABLE TIME TO DO THAT AT THE END.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UH, LET'S TOUCH BASE REAL REAL BRIEFLY HERE, BUT FIRST ON THE, UH, BUDGET WRITER PROCESS DISCUSSION, UH, THIS IS THE BUDGET RIDER ISSUE.

UH, THE STAFF HAS INDICATED TO US SOME CONCERN THAT A LOT OF WRITERS ARE COMING UP, UM, UM, UM, WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON THEM QUICKLY, UH, STAFF HAS INDICATED, UH, NOT HAVING THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO SUFFICIENTLY VET THEM OR LET LEGAL VET THEM AND SUGGEST WORDING TO US, UM, AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, AS IN RECENT YEARS WE'VE LOOKED LIKE WE'RE DOING MORE AND MORE WITH, UH, WITH A BUDGET RIDERS.

UH, SO WE NEED SOME KIND OF PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT IN THE, IN A DELIBERATE AND REASONED WAY.

UH, THE STAFF HAD PROPOSED THAT, UM, UM, THE BUDGET RIDERS NOW BECAUSE BUDGET IFCS, UM, AND TO ADOPT A PROCESS THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE IFCS, MEANING THAT IT TAKES FOUR PEOPLE TO SIGN THEM AND TO BRING THEM FORWARD AND THAT THEY BE BROUGHT FORWARD A WEEK BEFORE THE, UH, COUNCIL BUDGET MEETING, WHICH IS ON THE 17TH, SO THAT THEY WOULD BE, UH, NEEDING TO BE FILED BY THE, BY THE 10TH.

AND YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT AT ALL FIRST? UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND, UH, OUR BUDGET OFFICER, CARRIE LANG IS WITH US VIRTUALLY TODAY.

SO SHE MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOME, SOME CONTEXT AS WELL, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY WE UNDERSTAND THE, AND APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BUDGET RIDER PROCESS COUNCIL PROVIDING US DIRECTION SPECIFIC TO THE BUDGET.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE'VE NOTICED IN THE PAST EVERY YEAR WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE TOUCH BASE WITH COUNCIL AND WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD FROM A VARIETY OF VIEW THAT IT'S KIND OF A CHAOTIC PROCESS, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO ARE COMING IN NEW AND THE FIRST YEAR THEY'RE DOING IT, IT'S LIKE A CHAOTIC PROCESS, HARD TO FOLLOW.

UM, I'VE HEARD SIMILAR COMMENTS DURING THE PROCESS FROM BOTH THE MEDIA AND THE COMMUNITY LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON.

THIS IS LIKE, THIS SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SO MANY YELLOW PIECES OF PAPER FLYING AROUND UP ON THE DIAS.

UM, CERTAINLY STAFF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO VET THE VARIOUS CONCEPTS AND THE RESOLUTIONS BOTH FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.

UM, THE TRANSPARENCY IS A, IS AN IMPORTANT GOAL THAT WE HAD.

UM, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN IMPORTANCE ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE POSTING LANGUAGE.

REMEMBER THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE POSTED TO ADOPT A BUDGET.

AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THE BUDGET WRITERS ACTUALLY DO PERTAIN ARE GERMANE TO THE BUDGET, OR PERHAPS THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES WHERE THERE'S DIRECTION COMING.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY TIED TO THE BUDGET.

THE BUDGET IS VERY BROAD.

UM, BUT I THINK THOSE WOULD BE STAFF'S THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT.

CERTAINLY NOT, UM, WANTING IN ANY WAY TO, UM, UM, RESTRICT COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THE BUDGET, BUT REALLY JUST SEEKING AN ORDERLY PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HOPE WOULD WORK BETTER.

UM, NOT ONLY FOR STAFF, UM, AND THE, AND THE COMMUNITY WHO'S WATCHING, BUT ALSO FOR THE COUNCIL.

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THANK YOU.

AND CARRIE IS WITH US VIRTUALLY IF SHE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD.

UM, MAYBE GIVE HER A SECOND AS WELL.

OKAY.

CARRIE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? CARRIE? CAN YOU WEAR IT? APPARENTLY SHE CAN'T HEAR US RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL WORK THROUGH THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, BUT I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY.

COLLEAGUES, UM, NATASHA, CAN YOU HEAR US? SO IT'S AN ISSUE WITH BOTH.

LET'S TAKE A SECOND AND SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT, OKAY.

I CAN HEAR YOU.

SORRY.

I WAS HAVING SOME TROUBLE WITH MY MUTE BUTTON, BUT I CAN HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

GOOD NEWS.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

COLLEAGUES HAS TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION OF KARI JOINS US, LET US KNOW, UH, THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.

[D1. Budget rider process.]

UH, VANESSA, THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING.

UM, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE, THE NEED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO VET OUR BUDGET WRITERS AMENDMENTS WITH STAFF IN ADVANCE.

SO I'M CURIOUS, IS THERE, UM, CAUSE I KNOW FROM MY EXPERIENCE LAST YEAR WAS HAVING OUR, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE SUBMIT THROUGH THE Q AND A PROCESS, IS THERE A BUFFER TIME THERE? AND WHEN WE GET STAFF RESPONSES, UM, WHEN WE RECEIVE STAFF RESPONSES FROM WHEN WE SUBMIT IFCS OR THE BUDGET WRITER LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT HELP IN PROVIDING US WITH THAT SUFFICIENT TIME, UH, FOR US TO FORMULATE AND DRAFT OUR AMENDMENT, OUR WRITER, UM, BASED ON THE RESPONSE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM STAFF, AND TO HAVE TIME TO SHARE THAT DRAFT LANGUAGE WITH STAFF IN ADVANCE, I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE, WHAT'S THE BUFFER TIMEFRAME THERE? SO OUR GOAL IS TO GET RESPONSES BACK TO COUNCIL IN FIVE DAYS, AND I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE EXAMPLES AND FRUSTRATIONS ARE WHERE IT'S TAKEN FAR LONGER THAN FIVE DAYS.

SOMETIMES THE QUESTIONS ARE VERY IN-DEPTH AND TAKE A LOT OF TIME.

AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS THESE BOTTLENECKS IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND SO THAT WEEK OR TWO LEADING UP TO BUDGET ADOPTION, WE MAY GET AN WELL IN EXCESS OF A HUNDRED QUESTIONS OVER THAT TWO WEEK PERIOD.

AND IT'S HARD TO HIT FIVE DAYS WHEN THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS COMING IN.

UM, BUT FIVE DAYS IS OUR GOAL.

I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, TWO-THIRDS OF THE TIME THREE QUARTERS OF THE TIME, WE'RE ABLE TO GET OUR RESPONSES OUT WITHIN THAT FIVE DAY WINDOW UM, I SEE THIS AS TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT DON'T HAVE TO GO TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM IS THE TIMELINE, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND TO ME THAT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE ESTABLISHED DEADLINES.

UM, THE SECOND ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE FOUR PEOPLE.

SO, AND I DON'T THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE DEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER.

SO JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH SETTING DEADLINES.

I THINK IT CAN BE HELPFUL.

UM, AND MAYBE WE THINK OF THEM AS TARGETS THAT WE REALLY TRY TO REACH, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN VET THINGS AHEAD OF TIME.

I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

AND SO WE JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT WHAT THAT IS.

UM, THE SECOND ITEM IS, IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE FIRST.

UM, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A, QUITE A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

I, I DON'T SUPPORT REQUIRING FOR PEOPLE TO AND USING AN IFC PROCESS BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR BUDGET IS WE'RE AMENDING IT.

SO IT'S MORE AKIN TO AMENDMENTS AND I THINK ANYBODY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT AND, UM, WHICH, WHICH HAS BEEN FINE IN THE PAST.

I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT ISSUE CAUSES DIFFICULTIES AS LONG AS WE'RE MEETING DEADLINES AND BEDDING WHAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, SO I WOULD SAY, AND I, I DON'T REALLY CARE WHETHER WE CALL IT A RIDER OR AN IFC, THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW WE'VE DONE A WRITER AND I HAVE C IS JUST THE FOUR PEOPLE VERSUS NOT THE FOUR PEOPLE, BUT WE CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT.

THE, THE, THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT, UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT REQUIRING FOUR PEOPLE AND TREATING IT LIKE AN IFC FOR WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY AN AMENDMENT PROCESS.

SO, BUT, UM, BUT LET'S DO DEAD DEADLINES.

I'M HAPPY TO DO DEADLINES AND HELP STAFF WITH THAT.

HOW MUCH DETAIL WOULD BE HELPFUL IN, IN THESE IFC BUDGET WRITERS? I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE LONGER AMOUNTS OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO VET THEM FOR OUR NORMAL COUNCIL AGENDAS, SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE THEM FOR WEEKS OR EVEN MONTHS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THEM WITH OUR COLLEAGUES STAFFS, BUT, UM, FOR THE BUDGET WRITER PROCESS, DO WE NEED A LOT OF, WHEREAS IS, DO WE NEED TO KIND OF MAKE OUR CASE OR DO WE JUST SEND YOU A BE IT RESOLVED AND GET

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OUR CO-SPONSORS? UM, I THINK IT'S THE, IT'S THE LADDER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS GOING ON DURING BUDGET.

I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE, BE RESOLVED.

THIS IS THE DIRECTION, UM, WITHOUT ALL THE WHEREAS IS SO I THINK WE, I THINK I WANT TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHAT EXACTLY THE CHALLENGES, I THINK THE VETTING PART IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK WE TEND TO TAKE UP, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE LACK OF IT.

UM, ONE IS TAKING THEM UP AT THE VERY END OF THE BUDGET PROCESS WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, PASSED THE OTHERS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MONEY AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO FLY THROUGH QUITE A FEW BUDGET WRITERS.

SO I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH HAVING EARLIER DEADLINES FOR THEM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ANY OF US, AS I, I THINK WE ESTABLISHED A FEW BUDGET CYCLES AGO.

UM, ANY OF US HAS A LEGAL RIGHT TO BRING AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET AT ANY POINT IN THE PROCESS.

AND JUST AS YOU KNOW, OUR COLLEAGUES, UM, HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY, NO, THIS IS TOO LATE.

WE CAN'T CONSIDER IT.

WE NEED TO TAKE IT UP AT A DIFFERENT MEETING, BUT I MEAN, SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO GET BUDGET WRITERS IN EARLIER FOR VETTING AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THERE'S ONE THAT EMERGES AS AN NEED AFTER THAT DEADLINE, WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT, A LEGAL RIGHT TO BRING IT FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ASK OUR COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER IT.

AND GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED CO-SPONSORS FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE, THE BUDGET.

YOU NEED A SECOND.

AND, AND THEN FOLKS CAN INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT BY VOTING IT UP OR DOWN.

SO I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE FOUR CO-SPONSORS.

I ALSO KNOW THAT IN THE YEARS WHERE WE DID, WHAT WAS IT CALLED? LIKE THE CONCEPT LIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, WE, IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE BUDGET APPROVAL, WE WERE RUNNING INSTEAD OF LIKE DIVING INTO THE ISSUE.

I MEAN, WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE DIVING INTO THE ISSUES AND LOOKING AT THE ISSUES AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS WITH RUNNING AROUND AND TRYING TO GET THE NECESSARY NUMBERS.

AND THEN PEOPLE WOULD FEEL LIKE IF THEY WEREN'T ON SOMETHING, THEY SUPPORTED THAT THEY NEEDED TO CONTACT THAT OFFICE AND TRY TO GET THEIR NAME ON IT.

IT WAS JUST, IT WAS UNNECESSARY BUREAUCRACY AND CHAOS.

AND, AND I THINK THAT WE JUST INDICATE OUR SUPPORT BY VOTING IT UP OR DOWN.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE AS A STRONG GOAL SLASH, UM, DEADLINE, THE BUDGET, GETTING OUR BUDGET RIGHT.

OR RESOLUTIONS IN OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL THEM.

UM, BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE, ONE DON'T NEED SPONSORS, AND IF THERE'S A PRESSING NEED THAT EMERGES, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A RIGHT TO BRING SOMETHING AFTER THAT POINT.

AND IT IS, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD DAWNING REALIZATIONS VERY LATE IN THE BUDGET AND, UM, AND HAVE HAD, AND HAVE HAD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER, I MEAN, THERE WAS A NEED, A COUPLE, MANY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND PUBLIC RESTROOMS. AND IN LITERALLY THE NIGHT BEFORE BUDGET APPROVAL, I FOUND A FUND THAT WHAT HAD A BUNCH OF MONEY IN IT THAT WAS RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE INTERSTATE THAT COULD FUND A PUBLIC RESTROOM OVER THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT ANY OF US TO BE PREVENTED FROM, FROM FINDING INFORMATION AT THE LAST MINUTE AND BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR, FOR OUR BUDGET AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THANKS.

UM, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT STAFF TO BE HINDERED BY SOME OF THE LAST MINUTE CHANGES THAT WE TEND TO MAKE UP HERE ON THE DAY.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A MORE ORDERLY PROCESSED.

AND SO THE DEADLINES I THINK ARE GREAT.

I'M NOT SURE I COULDN'T SUPPORT THE FOUR.

CO-SPONSORS JUST KNOWING HOW DIFFICULT IT CAN SOMETIMES BE TO, TO FIND CO-SPONSORS FOR THINGS SPECIFIC, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEIR DISTRICT NEEDS.

UM, SO I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE YOU COULD HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAME TO THAT CHANGE IN THAT CONCLUSION, SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS LIKE THERE'S GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT THE, THE BUDGET ADOPTIVE PROCESS CAN BE A BIT DISORDERLY AND CHAOTIC.

AND SO LET'S TRY TO BRING SOME ORDER TO IT.

AND TIMELINES OF STAFF HAD THIS SAME CONVERSATION.

HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO COUNCIL ABOUT HOW TO BRING A MORE ORDERLY PROCESS TO BEAR? AND AS WE WERE DISCUSSING IT, WE JUST CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT, WELL, THERE'S ALREADY A WELL-ESTABLISHED IFC PROCESS THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF AND FAMILIAR WITH.

LET'S JUST USE THAT, BUT TOTALLY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE, UH, STILL DON'T HAVE KERRY ON THE LINE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS, UH, ANY REAL CONCERN ON STAFF'S PART ABOUT NOT DOING THE CO-SPONSORS, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IS WE HAD A WELL-ESTABLISHED EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH IT, UNDERSTANDS IT, LET'S JUST BRING THAT TO THE BUDGET WAS OUR THINKING.

IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, UM, TO TRY TO, UM, MAYBE STREAMLINE AND MAKE MORE ORDERLY THE EFFORT.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, UM, THE OFFICIAL IFC PROCESSES PROBABLY TOO CUMBERSOME BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED, WHEREAS IS, UM, SO IT'S REALLY A TRUNCATED VERSION OF THAT.

I THINK HAVING FOUR SPONSORS IS PROBABLY TOO MANY.

I KNOW FOR THE AUSTIN ENERGY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AGENDA, WE HAVE THREE.

UM, I DO THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OTHER PERSON ON THERE WHO EFFECTIVELY FUNCTIONS AS A SECOND.

UH, THE

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PIECE THAT REALLY STRIKES ME AS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN ALL OF THIS THOUGH, IS GETTING THE INFORMATION OF THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR BUDGET COMING FROM ALL OF US ON THE DAYAS TO ONE ANOTHER EARLIER, AS WELL AS TO STAFF.

SO I THINK THAT THAT BENEFITS ALL OF US AS WELL.

SO, UM, EVEN IN THOSE INSTANCES, LIKE KATHY HAS MENTIONED AT THE LAST MINUTE WE, OR THE NIGHT BEFORE WE, WE ARE ABLE TO FIND SOME FUNDING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE DOESN'T PRE, UH, DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT FROM HAPPENING.

BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING US THE INFORMATION EARLIER.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY BITS AND PIECES OF, OF ALL OF THIS THAT, UM, I THINK WE COULD PULL TOGETHER TO STRUCTURE A REALLY HOPEFULLY, UM, STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE PROCESS GOING FORWARD.

MAYBE FEWER THAN FOUR PEOPLE WILL GET THE INFORMATION EARLY.

UM, IT CAN LAY OUT THE ELEMENTS OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DIG REAL DEEP INTO, WHEREAS IS AN EXPLANATIONS.

I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I WOULD EXPAND ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A BITS AND PIECES AND PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE RULE IS THEN WE COULD FASHION HERE.

UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNCIL TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE DIRECTION TO ANYTHING THAT'S PUT IN THE BUDGET.

AND AS CATHY SAID, SOMEONE COULD COME WITH AN AMENDMENT THE WAY WE DO IT RIGHT NOW, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY.

WE COULD SAY NO AMENDMENTS COME WITHOUT BEING POSTED SEVEN DAYS AHEAD OF TIME.

WE CAN ADOPT THAT RULE AS A BODY IF WE WANT TO.

UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED THAT AND CONSCIOUSLY NOT ADOPTED THAT.

UH, SO AS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO BRING AMENDMENTS AT THE END, BUT IF SOMEONE HAS THE ABILITY TO BRING IN AN AMENDMENT AT THE END, I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROPOSE A DIRECTION ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THAT AMENDMENT.

THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND THAT IS THAT THAT PERSON WHO'S BRINGING THAT AMENDMENT OR BRINGING THAT DIRECTION IS ASKING, UM, UH, HIS OR HER COLLEAGUES TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVEN'T SEEN FOR VERY LONG AND MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO VAT WITH THEIR COUNCIL STAFFS OR WITH THEIR COMMUNITY OR THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT BALANCES THAT, THAT SAYS THAT AN AMENDMENT AND, OR, UM, UH, A DIRECTION THAT'S PUBLISHED TO THE MESSAGE BOARD SEVEN DAYS IN ADVANCE, UM, IS SUFFICIENT TIME FOR US ALL TO BE ABLE TO READ IT AND VET IT.

AND IF YOU COME WITH A DIRECTION, UH, THAT IS NEW, UH, THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO VET RECOGNIZING IS COMING AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO AMENDMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT IT TAKES A SUPER MAJORITY TO BE ABLE TO PASS.

AND, AND I CAN'T, CAN'T WE, AFTER THE FACT OF THE BUDGET, BRING A DIRECTION AND PASS IT AS A COUNCIL NOW, WHEREAS WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PASS THE BUDGET ON, ON A CERTAIN DAY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THE COUNCIL TWO WEEKS LATER FROM ADDING A DIRECTION IN THE FORM OF AN IFC.

UH, SO I THINK YOU COULD ADOPT A RULE THAT SAYS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR DIRECTION PASSED ON THE 17TH, AS PART, AT THE SAME TIME THE BUDGET IS PASSED, THEN, THEN, UH, A SUPER MAJORITY HAS TO BE READY TO CONSIDER IT, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT VOTING FOR IT.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE, EVEN IF YOU HAVE THREE OR MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT READY TO VOTE ON A DIRECTION, THEN THAT'S A DIRECTION THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TWO WEEKS LATER, UH, WHERE IT ONLY REQUIRES A SIMPLE MAJORITY.

UH, AND THAT WAY, IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT MINORITY OF THE COUNCIL THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE READY TO, TO ABODE YET, CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO VET IT.

THEY HAVE SOME MEASURE OF, OF RELIEF.

UM, I'M TRYING TO, TO, TO BLEND BOTH AND TO PROVIDE MULTIPLE PATHWAYS FOR THE, FOR THE COUNCIL TO, TO ACT, BUT NOT PUTTING THE MINORITY OF THE COUNCIL IN A POSITION WHERE SIX PEOPLE COULD BASICALLY PUT UP A DIRECTION AND GET IT PASSED WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THE COUNCIL FEELING LIKE THEY REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO, TO, TO VET IT OR TO CONSIDER IT AT TIME MY COMMENTS ON THE BROADER

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ISSUE, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY OR RECOMMENDATION.

SO, UM, I AGREE THAT WE NEED MORE STRUCTURE AND DEADLINES.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMELINE AS LAID OUT, GIVEN WHEN WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WHEN WE HAVE OUR WORK SESSIONS, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND THE SCHEDULE, WE WILL NOT HAVE OUR FIRST WORK SESSION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER UNTIL THE NINTH.

AND YOU'RE TELLING US THAT OUR DEADLINE IS THE 10TH AND I DON'T SEE THAT AS REALISTIC.

AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON THE 11TH.

UM, SO IN THEORY, I LOVE THE IDEA OF US HAVING THIS STUFF DONE EARLIER, BUT, UM, I MEAN THIS PROCESS IS REALLY TRUNCATED THIS YEAR.

WE USUALLY HAVE WAY MORE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER AND TO GO IN DEPTH ON PARTICULAR PARTICULAR THINGS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ON THE SECOND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SHOW UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE, UM, SOME CONVERSATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN SOMEBODY WILL POST SOMETHING.

WE WON'T HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND THEN LIKE WE COULD HAVE SUGGESTIONS OR KNOWLEDGE AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

AND I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AGREEING THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BRING SOMETHING AFTER THE 11TH.

IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING THE SECOND DAY ON THE 11TH, THERE'S USUALLY A RAMP UP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME BROAD QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT WE HAVE PROPERLY ADDRESSED OUR WORKFORCE INVESTMENTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE A 200 AND SOME ITEM AGENDA THIS WEEK.

SO I IMAGINE THAT VERY OF US ARE GETTING BUDGET WORK DONE THIS WEEK.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR WHERE WE GET SUCH LITTLE TIME TO REVIEW SUCH A LARGE BUDGET AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE OF THERE'S SO LITTLE INFORMATION IN THE BUDGET.

I MEAN, I'M ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS I'M ASKING EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN THE BUDGET.

YOU COULD LITERALLY GO BACK AND SEE THAT I'M ASKING QUESTIONS.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS FUNDED FOR AISD THIS YEAR? WHAT WERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT GRANTS WERE WERE ENDED THAT WE HAVE OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT INFORMATION IS JUST NOT THERE AND WE NEVER GET THE ANSWERS IN FIVE DAYS.

I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER GOTTEN AN ANSWER FOR ANYTHING IN FIVE DAYS THAT I'M AWARE OF.

UM, GRANTED I DON'T LOVE THE BUDGET Q AND A INTERFACE, SO I'M NOT ON THERE PERHAPS TIMELY, BUT I, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE IT'S UNREALISTIC.

UM, JUST REMIND US OF A, ANOTHER DYNAMIC.

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR IT, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, HAPPENS WITH DIRECTION IS A LOT OF TIMES THAT BUDGET RIDER DIRECTION IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE AMENDMENT.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING SEPARATE, IT GOES WITH IT.

SO TO, I, I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO SEPARATE, UH, AN AMENDMENT PROCESS FROM A, FROM A BUDGET DIRECTION PROCESS.

UM, SO THERE THERE'S THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING TO, TO, TO GIVE YOU JUST A, A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE LAST YEAR, I DID A BUDGET RIDER RELATED TO AUSTIN CARES, WHICH IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE 9 1 1, UM, CLINICIAN.

BUT, UM, AND SO IT HAD SOME DOLLARS IN IT, BUT IT ALSO HAD SOME SPECIFIC USE FOR THOSE DOLLARS.

AND BRINGING THAT LATER WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED BECAUSE BRINGING THE AMENDMENT AMENDMENT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THOSE KINDS OF DIRECTIONS.

SO WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE AND I'M SURE MY EXAMPLE IS NOT THE ONLY EXAMPLE THAT THAT'S A DYNAMIC THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF TOO, WITH REGARD TO THE DIRECTIONS.

SO I JUST, I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.

UM, I WOULD, UM, SO MAYOR, I REALLY, REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO THINK OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOME, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK TOGETHER, BUT, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE, UM, I'D BE REALLY RELUCTANT TO DO THE SUPER MAJORITY THING ALSO BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I'D RATHER DO IS JUST SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES, DO YOUR ABSOLUTE BEST TO GET SOMETHING BY WHATEVER WE DECIDED TO INAPPROPRIATE DEADLINE, UH, BUT NOT INTRODUCE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE VIEWED AS MORE, MORE OF A BARRIER OR PERHAPS EVEN PUNITIVE.

ALTHOUGH I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY, BUT, UM, BUT TO MY MIND, IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE KIND OF A BARRIER, YOU KNOW, UH, TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, IF YOU DON'T GET SOMETHING IN, BY A CERTAIN DATE, YOU HAVE TO DO A SUPERMARKET MAJORITY.

I'D RATHER JUST RELY, TRUST MY COLLEAGUES TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO, TO MEET THE, MEET THE DEADLINE AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE OTHER DYNAMIC WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF IS SOMETIMES WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND I LIKE THE WAY YOU'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST MAYOR IS THAT,

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YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETIMES WITH DIRECTION WITH THEM.

AND, UH, THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO WORK BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE'RE WORKING WITH.

SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM AND, AND THEN KIND OF RANK THEM IN OUR MIND.

UM, BUT THAT'S AN EXERCISE THAT I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT WE CAN DO AHEAD OF TIME.

UM, AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE'VE DONE THAT THAT'S REALLY BEEN HELPFUL IS, IS KIND OF THE RUNNING LIST AND THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE FOR US TO SAY, OR SOMETIMES MAYBE I'M NOT REMEMBERING EXACTLY HOW YOU'VE DONE IT, BUT SOMETIMES WE'VE ADOPTED EVERYTHING.

AND THEN WE'VE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE OVER XML.

WE NEED TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.

I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW YOU'VE DONE IT, BUT ANYWAY, MY POINT IS THAT THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THEM.

SO I WANT TO JUST PRESERVE THE, PRESERVE OUR ABILITY TO WORK THROUGH THAT, UM, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SO KATHY, YEAH.

AND JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST PROPOSED, I WOULD SUGGEST TOO, INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF KIND OF ADOPT APPROVING, I'M TRYING TO SWITCH US TO APPROVING I'M ADOPTING, BUT INSTEAD OF APPROVING, INSTEAD OF APPROVING, UM, AT A HIGHER THRESHOLD AND KIND OF CHANGING OUR THRESHOLD OF, OF APPROVAL, I WOULD SUGGEST WE JUST KIND OF KEEP IT SIMPLE AND, AND HAVE, UM, A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, PROACTIVELY ASK THE STAFF TO LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE BUDGET WRITERS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT OR FEEL NEED MORE VETTING OR NEED MORE TIME.

UM, THIS ISN'T DIFFERENT REALLY FROM WHAT WE DO ON EVERY COUNCIL AGENDA.

I MEAN, SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT HURT OUR AGENDA IS RESOLUTIONS.

THAT FOR PEOPLE MAY FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH ABOUT TO PUT ON AN AGENDA, BUT THEY'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL NEED BEDDING AND THE COUNCIL MAJORITY MIGHT DECIDE TO POSTPONE IT.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE PROACTIVELY ASK OUR STAFF TO LET US KNOW WE CAN HAVE AN EARLIER DEADLINE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING.

SOME MIGHT COME IN AFTER ABOUT ALL OF THEM.

WE PROACTIVELY HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME CARVED OUT IN THE BUDGET WHERE WE SAY STAFF, DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ANY OF THESE? ARE THERE ANY THAT YOU FEEL NEED MORE INFORMATION, MORE DETAIL? UM, ALL OF OUR DIOCESE CAN HEAR THAT INFORMATION AND ACT ON IT AS THEY WILL.

AND THAT WE SCHEDULE, UM, A PERIOD OF TIME ON OUR NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA WHERE WE'LL TAKE UP ANYTHING.

WE POSTPONED ANY OF THOSE BUDGET RIDERS WE POSTPONE.

SO WE'LL CARVE OUT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THAT NEXT AGENDA.

WE MAY NOT BE READY TO PASS THOSE THEN THAT EITHER, BUT AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE.

PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE READY TO DEAL WITH IT TODAY, OR THEY'RE NOT READY TO DEAL WITH IT.

AND IT GOES ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

KANZI THANK YOU.

UM, SO IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME AND I MEANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF ON THIS.

UM, DURING THIS PROCESS, WHEN IT WAS FIRST LAID OUT TO MY OFFICE, IT IS OUR, THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS OR INITIATIVES THAT ARE NOT FUNDED IN THE BUDGET.

AND I WAS HOPING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A LIST OF THOSE AHEAD OF TIME AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES ARE GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAYBE WORK THOSE INTO THE AMENDMENT PROCESS, BUT WE WILL NEED THAT LEAD TIME TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPECIFICALLY.

THAT'S NOT BEEN FUNDED.

SO DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATED TIME WHEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THAT TO US? UM, YEAH, WE HAVE THAT.

OH, GO AHEAD, GARY.

I'M SORRY.

YEAH.

UM, I SENT OUT A MEMO, I BELIEVE LAST EARLY LAST WEEK WITH, UM, UH, EMAIL WITH THE IFC, THE UNFUNDED IFC AT THIS POINT, AS WELL AS, UH, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE, THAT WE RECEIVED AS PART OF THE PROCESS.

SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT.

I CAN MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR OFFICE TO SEE IF YOU WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION I CAN.

AND I'LL ASK YOU ABOUT BILLY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SORRY.

I MISSED IT.

DO WE HAVE GENERAL AGREEMENT AND TRYING TO GET THE BUDGET WRITERS EARLIER? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THE ISSUE THAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM RAISED THAT WE WERE HAVING A WORK SESSION ON THE 11TH AND THEN THE AMENDMENTS ARE DUE THE FOLLOWING DAY.

AND SO I THINK WE NEED MORE TIME THE PRIOR DAY, THE PRIOR DAY.

SO IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO MEET THAT DEADLINE WHEN WE'RE STILL RECEIVING PUBLIC FEEDBACK.

SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ENTIRELY THE CASE BECAUSE WE GET INPUT.

WE'VE BEEN GETTING INPUT SINCE ALMOST THE FIRST OF THE YEAR FROM SOME ADVOCATES.

UM, I THINK THOSE RIDERS THAT ARE READY TO GO SHOULD DEFINITELY BE PUT OUT THERE.

AND THEN, AND THEN THERE ISN'T ANY BAR TO US BRINGING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MIGHT.

MY WHOLE POINT IS, AND I THINK I, I JOINED STAFF ON THIS ONE.

I'M PROBABLY ALL OF US FEEL THE SAME WAY IT WOULD.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THE INFORMATION AS SOON AS WE CAN, AS SOON AS IT'S AVAILABLE.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUSH ALL OF US TOWARD, UM, GETTING INFORMATION.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT UP ON THE MESSAGE BOARD? MY SENSE IS AT THIS POINT,

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NO, ONE'S READY TO HAVE LIKE AN ENFORCEABLE RULE, UH, THAT WE FOLLOW.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SPEAK, UH, IN FAVOR OF, OF THAT, UH, OTHER THAN A GENERAL ADMISSION TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL TO POST AS EARLY AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING THUS FAR.

AND WOULD IT BE TO THE MESSAGE BOARD OR ARE WE USING A DIFFERENT FORUM? CAN I SUGGEST THESE GOT YOUR HAND UP? I THINK THE MESSAGE BOARD ENABLES US TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER, RIGHT? SO THAT, AND THE STAFF COULD PULL ANYTHING OFF THE MESSAGE BOARD INTO WHATEVER LIST IT'S COMPILING, BUT IF WE POST THEM TO THE MESSAGE BOARD, THEN WE CAN AT LEAST ENGAGE ONE ANOTHER.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST AT LEAST ESTABLISH THAT WE'VE GOT AGREEMENT ON MAYBE ONE OR TWO DETAILS BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS TO BE PRETTY FREE FLOATING AT THIS POINT.

SO CAN I SEARCH, THANK YOU.

I WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF A BUDGET WRITER THAT HAS PROVEN PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M, I MEAN, I, I APPRECIATE THE NEED TO HAVE THINGS BETTER THAN I WANT THEM VETTED AND I WANT THEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO DO THAT.

UM, I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

I WANT TO HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND I WANT TO HEAR ANSWERS TO MY BUDGET QUESTIONS, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HEAR ON THE 11TH.

SO I DON'T THINK THE 10TH IS VIABLE, BUT I, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND A BUDGET WRITER THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, PROVED PROBLEMATIC, UM, IN TERMS OF INTERPRETATION.

SO THAT, THAT WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF A BUDGET WRITER THAT HAS PROVED PROBLEMATIC BEYOND THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MORE TIME TO VET IT, WHICH I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH.

UM, AND THEN, YEAH, SO WE'LL START THERE.

I'LL ASK MATT.

CARRIE'S TRYING TO SPEAK.

I WAS MUTED.

OKAY.

UM, I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND WITHOUT, UM, REALLY HAVING A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR'S PROCESS IN GENERAL, UM, SEVERAL OF THE WRITERS THAT CAME IN, IT TOOK THE STAFF, UM, BOTH BUDGET AND THE CLERK STAFF AND, UM, DEPARTMENT STAFF SEVERAL MONTHS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE WRITER WAS AND WHAT, UM, HOW WE SHOULD PUT THAT INFORMATION INTO THE SYSTEM.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, UM, WRITERS THAT WERE PUT INTO THE CIU ARE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT MANY OF THOSE WRITERS WERE NOT ACTUALLY ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER BUDGET ADOPTION.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE DOING A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH OF REALLY TRYING TO GO BACK AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT OF THE WRITER WAS.

AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC WRITER IN FRONT OF ME TO SAY THIS SPECIFIC ONE, BUT WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AND LET YOU KNOW WHICH ONES WERE THE, UM, BROUGHT THE MOST CHALLENGES IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE ENTERED IT CORRECTLY AND HAD THE RIGHT INFORMATION AND THE POOR AND 10 OF THE COUNCIL.

ONCE WE STARTED GOING BACK AND REVIEWING THE DATA AND DOING A LIMITS TO .

SO IS IT MORE OF A PROBLEM OF LIKE, HOW DO YOU CAPTURE THIS IN THE BUDGET AND MOVING FORWARD AND MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE, OR IT A PROBLEM OF THE POSTING LANGUAGE? I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WHAT PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO STOP FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT MORE TIME TO VET THINGS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HEAR THINGS FROM, FROM THE STAFF, BUT ABSENT AN EXAMPLE OF A BUDGET WRITER THAT WAS PARTICULARLY, UM, PROBLEMATIC.

I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT TROUBLE.

OKAY.

WHAT I CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE SEEN WRITERS IN VERY VARIOUS FORMATS, SOME HAVE BEEN MORE IN THE, YOU KNOW, UM, BE IT RESOLVED, WHEREAS SOME HAVE BEEN HERE, THE FORMAT HASN'T BEEN ALWAYS STANDARDIZED.

UM, AND SO PULLING FROM WHAT THE INTENT IS, IS GOING TO CHALLENGE.

UM, AND SO THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT OVER THE LAST YEAR OR WHEN WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR THAT THAT MADE IT A CHALLENGE.

AND IT WAS SOMEWHAT THE LACK OF STANDARDIZATION, UM, THE DIFFERENT FORMATS THAT WE RECEIVED, THE INFORMATION IN, AND THEN THE, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE LAST MINUTE WAS MAKING SURE WE CAPTURED THE INTENT, THE WAY THAT IT WAS CAPTURED, THE, THE RIGHT OR THE WAY THAT IT WAS INTENDED IN THE DISCUSSION.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, REVIEWING OF THE MINUTES REVIEWING ALL THE CONVERSATION.

SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S ON BOTH ENDS.

IT'S THE FORMAT THAT'S COMING IN INITIALLY AS WELL AS WHEN

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THERE, UM, LATER WRITERS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT WRITING IS AS WE WERE GOING BACK AND REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTATION.

SO PERHAPS WE SHOULD, UM, AIM TO GET OUR BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND BUDGET MINERS, AS MANY AS WE CAN IN BY THE 12TH.

SO, WHICH HAS BEEN OUR STANDARD PRACTICE.

IT WAS THE FRIDAY BEFORE, AND THAT WE TAKE UP THOSE AMENDMENTS AND THOSE WRITERS BEFORE WE TAKE UP OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING AFTER THAT POINT, UM, AND THAT WE ASK OURSELVES WHEN WE'RE DOING A BUDGET RIDER FOR IT TO BE AN, A BE IT RESOLVED FORMAT, UM, AND THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE RUNNING THEIR BUDGET WRITERS BY LEGAL, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONCE BEFORE IT GETS SUBMITTED.

UM, THAT MIGHT ADDRESS THAT MIGHT ADDRESS, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ISSUES.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY THAT IF WE DON'T THINK A BUDGET RIDER BELONGS IN THE BUDGET THAT WE SAY, WE'D LIKE YOU TO BRING AN IFC.

SO WE CAN LOOK AT THIS MORE AND YOU KNOW, THAT IS ON US TO TAKE THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF MAKE THOSE KINDS OF CALLS AS, AS YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT.

UM, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE UNFUNDED RIGHT BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GO THERE JUST REAL QUICKLY.

I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS MAKE SENSE, AND WE HAVE PRECEDENT FOR THAT.

WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, WE'VE SET A DATE LIKE THAT, AND WE'VE CONSIDERED THOSE THINGS THAT WERE FILED BY THOSE DAYS.

AND WE'VE CONSIDERED ALL THOSE BEFORE WE'VE CONSIDERED THAN THE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE INITIATED THE WORD TRAUNCH WAY BACK WHEN, UH, AND WE CONSIDER, UH, AND THEN WE CONSIDER THEM THOSE THINGS THAT WERE NOT FILED BY THAT DAY, BUT WE CONSIDER THEM AFTER THE OTHER.

SO THE OTHERS GET CONSIDERED FIRST.

AND I THINK THE NEW PART IS REALLY MAKING SURE THAT LEGAL IS LOOKING AT THOSE BUDGET WRITERS AND THAT WE'RE BRINGING LEGAL IN AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THOSE, YOU KNOW, AT AN EARLIER STAGE.

AND THAT WE HAVE TO BE OPEN IF LEGAL IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY BELONGS AS A SEPARATE IFC.

IT'S FINE TO SURFACE IT AND BRING IT FORWARD, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU NEED TO BRING THAT AS AN IFC AND NOT PART OF THE BUDGET FROM A POSTING STANDPOINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S A CONVERSATION.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN ALWAYS GO AHEAD AND STILL BRING IT, BUT THAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE SHARED WITH THE WHOLE COUNCIL, IF THAT'S THE REVIEW.

UM, SO THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TO RAISE IS, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT UNFUNDED, UM, IFC LIST IS ACCURATE.

I KNOW THAT, UM, FOR INSTANCE, AUSTIN, CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORPS IS MISSING STAFFING TO BE ABLE, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PATHWAYS THAT, THAT STAFFING AND THAT OTHER, YOU KNOW, FULL BUMP BUDGET STUFF WAS IN THE ORIGINAL IFC.

WE HAVE, UM, UNFUNDED PIECES WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ASSAULT.

UM, THE PERF RECOMMENDATIONS WE'LL BE COMING BACK SORT OF THE WEEK OF BUDGET.

AND THERE'S NO PROVISION IN THERE TO BE ABLE TO, TO FUND THE SEXUAL COMPREHENSIVE SEXUAL ASSAULT RESPONSE.

EVEN THOUGH WE PROMISED IN THE SETTLEMENT TO THE SURVIVORS THAT WE WOULD BE, UM, FUNDING THAT.

UM, SO I THINK THERE ARE, AND THOSE ARE JUST THE TWO THAT CAME TO MY MIND THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO ME.

I'M SURE THAT MY COLLEAGUES, UM, HAVE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, INCLUDED IN THERE.

UM, SOME OF THEM ARE, I KNOW THAT OF UMBRELLAS IS ITEM THAT I CO-SPONSORED WITH RESPECT TO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT WAS ON THAT LIST.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SOME THAT ARE, AND SOME THAT ARE NOT.

UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHEN WE WILL HEAR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT ADDITIONAL SALES TAX OR THINGS COMING IN FROM THE NEXT MONTH? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION.

DO YOU KNOW WHEN WE WILL BE HEARING ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL RECEIPTS OF TAX REVENUE THAT MIGHT CHANGE? WE GAVE THAT INFORMATION FORWARD, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WHEN WE WERE PREPARING FOR THE BEDROOM, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT UPDATED INFORMATION TO DRAW PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION DATES.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OKAY.

BUT WILL WE HAVE THOSE PRIOR TO THE 12TH? SO THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE HERE IS IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH, I BELIEVE WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME UPDATE BEFORE THE 12TH.

UM, DURING OUR WORK SESSION, WE'LL BE ABLE TO BUY SOME INFORMATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHO HAVE THE FINAL DATA, UM, AT THE 11TH WORK SESSION, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVE THROUGH THAT DAY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, AND THEN ON THE SECOND, WOULD WE BE POSTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY CONVERSATION IF THERE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE BUDGET HEARING DOESN'T GO ALL DAY, WILL THERE BE TIME FOR US TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION TO CLARIFY,

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YOU KNOW, WHAT TOPICS WILL BE COVERED AT THE OTHER WORK SESSIONS OR, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO SURFACE, BEGIN TO SURFACE THINGS FOR OUR COLLEAGUES, SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN COLLABORATING ON THINGS THAT WE CAN FACILITATE, SOME OF THAT, THAT PROCESS ON THE SECOND, IT'S REALLY UNUSUAL TO ME THAT OUR ONLY TWO WORK SESSIONS ARE THE SAME WEEK AND THE WEEK BEFORE BUDGET.

UM, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE POSTING LANGUAGE FOR DISCUSSION.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS.

UM, AND OKAY.

BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS COSTING LANGUAGE FOR DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.

IN FACT, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST POST IT THAT WAY POSSIBLE DISCUSSION AMONG COUNCIL.

THAT WAY WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, WE CAN DECIDE BASED ON TIMING, WHETHER WE WANT TO DO IT OR NOT.

RIGHT.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S TIME THAT'S SET ASIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME SPEAK TO US, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY SPEAKERS THERE ARE, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, TO BE COLLABORATING ON THE BUDGET.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

THANK YOU.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, KELLY, KINSEY, YOUR LIGHTS ON NO, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER KITCHEN AND THAT'S.

OKAY.

SO I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LIST OF, UM, UH, OF RESOLUTIONS THAT WERE NOT FUNDED.

UM, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT A LOT OF THOSE JUST HAVE SOME TERMS THAT SAY UNDER DEVELOPMENT, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS TO ME IS I'VE GOT TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT THAT MEANS, WHETHER UNDER DEVELOPMENT UNDER WHETHER UNDER DEVELOPMENT MEANS IT'S IT'S COMING OR WHETHER IT NEEDS, I DON'T HAVE ANY THAT, THAT DOESN'T GIVE ME ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT I NEED TO, UM, BRING ANY KIND OF BUDGET, UM, AMENDMENT OR A WRITER ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE IT'S INTRODUCING SOME MORE TIME INTO, IN MORE BACK AND FORTH IN THE PROCESS THAT I'M HAVING TO DO SOME RESEARCH TO CHECK.

SO THAT'S JUST THE LIST.

THE LIST IS HELPFUL.

I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT PERHAPS IT'S NOT COMPLETE, BUT ALSO I WANT TO, I WANT TO NOTE THAT EVEN THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON IT, DON'T, DON'T GIVE ME ENOUGH INFORMATION.

AND SO IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE MORE TIME.

GOT IT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO ADD AND, AND AIRY THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.

I THINK IT KIND OF THE CONSENSUS ON THE DIES, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION.

THE SEDIMENT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE ADOPT A POLICY THAT ENCOURAGES EVERYONE TO GET THEIR BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND THEIR DIRECTIONS OUT, UH, PRIOR TO THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE 12TH, UH, BY WAY OF MESSAGE BOARD POST, UH, AND THOSE WILL BE THE THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED, UH, FIRST WE'RE ENCOURAGING EVERYBODY TO, TO, TO, TO DO THAT.

UM, WE'RE ASKING, UH, YOUR OFFICE TO ADVISE US ON THOSE THINGS, CAUSE THERE'LL BE POSTED AND LEGAL TO ADVISE US, UH, INCLUDING THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT THINGS WITH RESPECT TO DIRECTION, UH, MAYBE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, AN IFC.

UM, BUT WHATEVER ADVICE OR COUNSEL YOU WOULD GIVE COLLEAGUES, WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM COUNCIL MEMBER.

TOVA.

UM, WHAT ABOUT MY IDEA? I DON'T THINK YOU CAPTURED THIS MAYOR OF, OF SCHEDULING A PERIOD OF TIME ON OUR NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA TO COVER THE THINGS AS BUDGET WRITERS.

LET'S, LET'S DO THAT.

IF WE CAN, OUR NOTICES, IF WE JUST PUT THE BUDGET PROCESS DISCUSSION OR BUDGET DISCUSSION, LET'S JUST START PUTTING THAT ON THE AGENDA WHENEVER WE GET TOGETHER COUNCIL.

AND IF WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES OR MORE, IF PEOPLE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THINGS, LET'S JUST PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.

MARY, I'M SORRY.

I, I WASN'T BEING CLEAR.

I GUESS I MEANT HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME HAVE A ON OUR VERY NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA AFTER THE BUDGET APPROVAL, HAVE A SECTION OF TIME WHERE WE COULD TAKE UP BUDGET WRITERS THAT WE DECIDED NEEDED MORE TIME, NOT AS IFCS, JUST AS BUDGET WRITERS.

GOT IT.

ARE YOU, I DIDN'T HEAR MUCH FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT, BUT IF I THINK THAT WOULD FACILITATE IT, THEN THEY DON'T NEED TO BE FULLY FLESHED OUT RESOLUTIONS NECESSARILY THOUGH.

YOU ALWAYS, YOU'RE ALWAYS IN A BETTER, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF PASSING IT WITH MORE INFORMATION.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SUGGEST IS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE SUBMIT OUR BUDGET WRITERS, IT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL.

I THINK IF WE ALSO SUBMITTED THEM TO THE AGENDA OFFICE FOR POSTING IN THE BACKUP RIGHT AWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS ON THE MESSAGE BOARD IS THAT PEOPLE START DISCUSSING IT.

AND THEN IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A CLEAR SENSE, OR WE HAVE A REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT DELIBERATIVE PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO POST THEM ON THE MESSAGE BOARD, BECAUSE OTHERWISE PEOPLE POST, SOME PEOPLE START DISCUSSING BUDGET AMENDMENTS, THEN SOME PEOPLE POST THEIR AMENDMENTS TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S THREAD.

AND IT JUST, IT BECOMES WILDLY CHALLENGING, I THINK FOR US AND FOR THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY

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FOR THE PUBLIC TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES IN PLAY? UM, SO IF WE, IF WE SUBMITTED THEM ON THE MESSAGE BOARD SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS, BUT ALSO SUBMITTED THEM TO, TO THE AGENDA, WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE SET OF ONE SET OF THEM VERY EASILY ACCESSIBLE IN THE BUDGET POSTING.

I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO, I THINK THE LAST PIECE IS, ARE WE BACKING AWAY FROM HAVING FOUR PEOPLE SUPPORTING AN ITEM? I THINK SO.

OKAY.

AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ESTABLISH ANY NUMBER AT ALL? I DON'T THINK SO.

SO AS TO NOT HAVE A, AN ADDITIONAL HURDLE WHILE THERE'S SO MUCH HAPPENING AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND, OH, JUST, JUST ONE LAST THOUGHT.

I, UM, I AGREE WITH PUTTING, UM, AN ITEM ON THE FOLLOWING, UM, UM, COUNCIL AGENDA, SO WE CAN DISCUSS RIDERS THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE READY FOR, BUT I DO WANT TO CAUTION THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH WRITERS AS PART OF THE BUDGET, BECAUSE WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT I HAVE IN MIND IS THOSE KIND OF DIRECTIONS THAT ARE REALLY PART AND PARCEL OF PASSING THE AMENDMENT.

SO, UM, SO I WOULD NOT WANT TO USE THAT UNLESS WE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO, SO, OKAY.

NATASHA, AND THEN I'LL COME TO CANCEL.

UH, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I THINK I MIGHT'VE MISSED SOMETHING.

UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, LESLIE ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION THERE.

I MIGHT'VE WALKED AWAY WHEN, UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THERE WAS THAT THERE WAS A, UH, UH, I GUESS, CRITICAL MASS AROUND HESITANCE TO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE CO-SPONSORS SO TO SPEAK.

UM, I PERSONALLY APPRECIATED STEPH REALLY TAKING THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL AFTER OUR LAST, UM, BUDGET ADOPTION AND RETOOLING THAT AMENDMENT PROCESS JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, ANECDOTALLY, UM, WHEN I HEARD, UM, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION FROM STAFF ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD APPROACH PRESENTING OUR BUDGET, ASK, UM, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT REALLY BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW MUCH WE BROUGHT FORWARD, HOW MUCH WE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, WORK OUT THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE BASE BUDGET PROCESS AND HOW TO TALK TO OUR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINKING THROUGH THAT NEXT YEAR, WE'RE REALLY ALL TRYING TO ACTIVELY COLLECTIVELY NOT BRING TOO MUCH FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND THEN WHEN IT DOESN'T GO LIKE THAT, IT'S LIKE, WELL, SHOOT, I, I COULD HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD A BUNCH OF STUFF TOO.

UM, BUT I THOUGHT COLLECTIVELY, WE HAD DECIDED THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN OUR FINITE TIME OUR FINITE ACCESS TO RESOURCES AND STAFF'S FRANKLY, FINITE OPPORTUNITY TO VET OUR ASK WHEN I THOUGHT THE ASK WAS, DON'T BRING TOO MUCH STUFF, REALLY BE DELIBERATE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD.

CERTAINLY DON'T BRING ANYTHING LAST MINUTE AND DON'T BRING ANY MORE THAN YOU HAVE TO GIVEN THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT ALL THE COUNCIL IS BRINGING FORWARD.

I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY, IF WE'RE NOT MOVING AT A SIMILAR PACE, THEN IT DEFINITELY FEELS LIKE SOMEBODY CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROCESS OF STREAMLINING MORE THAN OTHERS.

AND THAT IS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO COME FROM.

I DON'T THINK IT FEELS GOOD.

AND SO I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO SOME ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF, HEY, JUST SAY OVERSIGHT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY, I DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND PUNITIVE TO YOUR POINT.

AND, BUT I DO APPRECIATE SOME ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF OVERSIGHT TO REALLY KIND OF, UH, REGULATE HOW MUCH WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD, THE TIMING OF US BRINGING IT FORWARD.

UM, AND IT FEELING DELIBERATE AND NOT WHIMSICAL, YOU KNOW, COMING LAST MINUTE WITH SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE ALLOCATE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS GENERAL BUDGET, IT FEELS LIKE IT SHOULD BE THE MOST DELIBERATE POSSIBLE.

AND IF IT CAN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR, THEN THINK ABOUT NEXT YEAR, BUT DON'T BRING STUFF LAST MINUTE AND DON'T BRING TOO MUCH STUFF.

UM, ALL THAT TO SAY, I THOUGHT THE NEW PROCESS WAS GOING TO RESULT IN MORE TRANSPARENCY, MORE CLARITY, UM, AND REALLY HELPED THE PROCESS RUN MORE SMOOTHLY BETWEEN STAFF AND COUNCIL.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY ELSE RECOGNIZE, BUT I ALSO THINK IT HELPS TO REMOVE SOME OF THE MYSTICISM FOR NEWER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THE BUDGET PROCESS IS DIFFICULT AND THERE'S SOME SORT OF BUILT IN ADVANTAGES TO THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE IT LONGER, WHICH IN ADDITION TO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK ARE NOT FAIR FOR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.

SO, UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I'M ULTIMATELY ASKING IS, DID WE DECIDE AS A BODY THAT BACK IN A WAY FROM HAVING MULTIPLE PARTIES, YOU KNOW, UM, SPONSOR, SO TO SPEAK AND ITEM GOING FORWARD?

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AND IF SO, DID WE GO FROM FOUR TO NINE OR FOUR TO TWO? I MISSED THAT PART.

CAN, CAN YOU REITERATE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED THERE FOR ME? WELL, CERTAINLY WE COULD DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT IS THE, THE WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, THE DESK.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT SPOKE IN FAVOR OF A NUMBER OTHER THAN THE SUGGESTION BY, BY ONE OF US, LESLIE HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONE PERSON I THINK, UH, BUT IT DIDN'T GET PICKED UP BY OTHERS.

THE, UM, UH, THE DISCIPLINE IS THERE, NO ONE REALLY SPOKE IN FAVOR OF A RULE, UH, TO, TO, TO IMPOSE SOME MEASURE OF DISCIPLINE AND NOTICE.

SO I THINK THAT WHERE WE CAME DOWN TO WAS, WAS SAYING, HEY, EVERYBODY TRIED TO DO THIS BY THE 12TH, UH, POST TO THE MESSAGE BOARDS AND TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

AND WHEN WE ACTUALLY START CONSIDERING THESE ITEMS, WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER FIRST THOSE ITEMS, WHICH WERE POSTED, UH, UH, BY THE 12TH, UH, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY, IT GIVES THEM SOME MEASURE OF ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING CONSIDERED WHILE EVERYBODY HAS A LOT OF ENERGY EARLY IN THE PROCESS AND THEY GET MORE OF THE OXYGEN IN THE, IN THE ROOM AND A CHANCE BUILD A, A CONSTITUENCY.

UH, BUT THAT GIVES THE, THE STAFF THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO VET THOSE, UH, AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT WE CONSIDER ANY PASSED AFTER THAT DATE, UM, WILL BE DECIDED BY AGAIN THE DAY IS, AND CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE A, A VIABLE ARGUMENT FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, THIS CAME TOO LATE FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER.

UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, THERE DIDN'T QUITE SEEM TO BE A DESIRE TO, TO SUGGEST SOMETHING ELSE, BUT A WEEKEND PAUSE FOR A SECOND TO SEE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SUGGEST SOMETHING ELSE AT THIS POINT.

AND, AND, AND PEOPLE COULD SUGGEST STUFF LATER ON, UH, THE TASHA.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUGGEST SOMETHING ELSE.

I VERY MUCH LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING UPWARDS OF FOUR PEOPLE, UM, CONFIRM THAT AN ITEM GO FORWARD FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.

I THINK IT WILL JUST HELP EVERYBODY, UM, THE LENGTH OF TIME, STRESS STAFF, TIME, STAFF EFFORT, ALL OF THE VARIABLES THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ARE EFFECTED BY HOW MANY THINGS PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD.

I THINK HAVING FOUR PEOPLE SIGN ON AND SAY, I ALSO AGREE YOU SHOULD BRING THIS ITEM FORWARD, MAKES IT SOUND SERIOUS, MAKES IT FEEL SERIOUS, MAKES IT FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THE CONSIDERATION AROUND THE ITEM.

I DON'T LIKE, UM, THE THOUGHT OF US, JUST ALL BEING ABLE TO WILLY NILLY BRING THINGS FORWARD, EVEN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, A WINK AND A NOD AGREEMENT TO, TO DO OUR BEST, TO BE RESPECTFUL