Jul 26, 2022 City Council Work Session

THE STATESMEN POD BRIEFING TALKING REALLY QUICKLY ABOUT THE UPDATE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE RESOLUTION.

MY GUESS IS NOT SOCCER BEING ANY EARLIER THAN ONE O'CLOCK TWO O'CLOCK IS PROBABLY MORE REASONABLE GIVEN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, THEY'RE OVER THAT STAFF IS OVER, UH, BRIEFING THE COUNTY THIS MORNING.

UH, I HAVE US DISCUSSING HEALTH SOUTH, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO, UH, PULLED, UH, IT'S REAL BRIEF, UH, ON THE AIRPORT, UH, EXPANSION, UH, A CONSULTANT CONTRACT, THE COUNCIL MEMBER WENT THIS BOLD AND THEN THE ARCH CONTRACT WITH, UM, UM, UH, URBAN, UH, ALCHEMY, UH, WHICH IS, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER.

TOBO PAUL ALSO TO BE DISCUSSED.

WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THOSE PULLED ITEMS. UH, IF WE CAN, UH, WE HAVE THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION.

UH, AS I POSTED ON THE BOARD, DON'T ANTICIPATE ACTION ON THE PARKLAND DEDICATION, UH, UH, ITEM TODAY.

UH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SET IT SO THAT IT CAN BE ACTED ON AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS WHEN WE'RE SETTING THE, UM, SETTING THE B'S.

UH, BUT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT TODAY AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY THE CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT WITH US ON THURSDAY.

UM, SO, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN JUST A MIRROR DISCUSSION ITEM BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE GIVEN HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.

THEN I HAVE IS TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICT ON

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THERE'S A MEMO THAT I THINK IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'LL TAKE, BUT JUST A SECOND, UH, MOSTLY TO JUST SEE IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

UH, AND THEN, UH, I HAVE US, UH, HOPEFULLY DURING LUNCH, AT LEAST STARTING WITH THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE COULD COME BACK AND FINISH WITH EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, BUT WE HAVE THE SALE OR TRANSFER OF THE, UH, SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPONS, UH, HEALTH SOUTH, UH, THE 96, 11 MCNEIL ROAD AND, AND, UH, REAL PROPERTY, UH, THAT COULD BE USED TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT I SEE THAT HAS THE SCHEDULE OR TRY TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH, AGAIN, A LOT OF THINGS FOR US TO GET THROUGH.

SO IF CAN PUSH, UH, TO GET THROUGH ALL THIS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT, EVERYBODY.

YES, KATHY.

YEAH, SOUTH, BUT IT'S MY INTENTION TO DISCUSS THAT IN OPEN SESSION, IF WE DISCUSS IT IN OPEN SESSION TODAY RATHER THAN THURSDAY TO DISCUSS IT AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND I WAS GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD RESERVE SOME OF TODAY JUST TO TALK THROUGH THURSDAY AND KIND OF HOW WE MIGHT MANAGE THAT AGENDA AND, AND GET THROUGH IT AT A REASONABLE TIME TO DO THAT AT THE END.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UH, LET'S TOUCH BASE REAL REAL BRIEFLY HERE, BUT FIRST ON THE, UH, BUDGET WRITER PROCESS DISCUSSION, UH, THIS IS THE BUDGET RIDER ISSUE.

UH, THE STAFF HAS INDICATED TO US SOME CONCERN THAT A LOT OF WRITERS ARE COMING UP, UM, UM, UM, WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON THEM QUICKLY, UH, STAFF HAS INDICATED, UH, NOT HAVING THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO SUFFICIENTLY VET THEM OR LET LEGAL VET THEM AND SUGGEST WORDING TO US, UM, AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, AS IN RECENT YEARS WE'VE LOOKED LIKE WE'RE DOING MORE AND MORE WITH, UH, WITH A BUDGET RIDERS.

UH, SO WE NEED SOME KIND OF PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT IN THE, IN A DELIBERATE AND REASONED WAY.

UH, THE STAFF HAD PROPOSED THAT, UM, UM, THE BUDGET RIDERS NOW BECAUSE BUDGET IFCS, UM, AND TO ADOPT A PROCESS THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE IFCS, MEANING THAT IT TAKES FOUR PEOPLE TO SIGN THEM AND TO BRING THEM FORWARD AND THAT THEY BE BROUGHT FORWARD A WEEK BEFORE THE, UH, COUNCIL BUDGET MEETING, WHICH IS ON THE 17TH, SO THAT THEY WOULD BE, UH, NEEDING TO BE FILED BY THE, BY THE 10TH.

AND YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT AT ALL FIRST? UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND, UH, OUR BUDGET OFFICER, CARRIE LANG IS WITH US VIRTUALLY TODAY.

SO SHE MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOME, SOME CONTEXT AS WELL, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY WE UNDERSTAND THE, AND APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BUDGET RIDER PROCESS COUNCIL PROVIDING US DIRECTION SPECIFIC TO THE BUDGET.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE'VE NOTICED IN THE PAST EVERY YEAR WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE TOUCH BASE WITH COUNCIL AND WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD FROM A VARIETY OF VIEW THAT IT'S KIND OF A CHAOTIC PROCESS, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO ARE COMING IN NEW AND THE FIRST YEAR THEY'RE DOING IT, IT'S LIKE A CHAOTIC PROCESS, HARD TO FOLLOW.

UM, I'VE HEARD SIMILAR COMMENTS DURING THE PROCESS FROM BOTH THE MEDIA AND THE COMMUNITY LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON.

THIS IS LIKE, THIS SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SO MANY YELLOW PIECES OF PAPER FLYING AROUND UP ON THE DIAS.

UM, CERTAINLY STAFF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO VET THE VARIOUS CONCEPTS AND THE RESOLUTIONS BOTH FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.

UM, THE TRANSPARENCY IS A, IS AN IMPORTANT GOAL THAT WE HAD.

UM, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN IMPORTANCE ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE POSTING LANGUAGE.

REMEMBER THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE POSTED TO ADOPT A BUDGET.

AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THE BUDGET WRITERS ACTUALLY DO PERTAIN ARE GERMANE TO THE BUDGET, OR PERHAPS THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES WHERE THERE'S DIRECTION COMING.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY TIED TO THE BUDGET.

THE BUDGET IS VERY BROAD.

UM, BUT I THINK THOSE WOULD BE STAFF'S THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT.

CERTAINLY NOT, UM, WANTING IN ANY WAY TO, UM, UM, RESTRICT COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THE BUDGET, BUT REALLY JUST SEEKING AN ORDERLY PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HOPE WOULD WORK BETTER.

UM, NOT ONLY FOR STAFF, UM, AND THE, AND THE COMMUNITY WHO'S WATCHING, BUT ALSO FOR THE COUNCIL.

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AND CARRIE IS WITH US VIRTUALLY IF SHE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD.

UM, MAYBE GIVE HER A SECOND AS WELL.

CARRIE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? CARRIE? CAN YOU WEAR IT? APPARENTLY SHE CAN'T HEAR US RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL WORK THROUGH THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, BUT I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

OUR CO-SPONSORS? UM, I THINK IT'S THE, IT'S THE LADDER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS GOING ON DURING BUDGET.

COLLEAGUES, UM, NATASHA, CAN YOU HEAR US? SO IT'S AN ISSUE WITH BOTH.

LET'S TAKE A SECOND AND SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT, OKAY.

I CAN HEAR YOU.

SORRY.

I WAS HAVING SOME TROUBLE WITH MY MUTE BUTTON, BUT I CAN HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

COLLEAGUES HAS TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION OF KARI JOINS US, LET US KNOW, UH, THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.

[D1. Budget rider process.]

UH, VANESSA, THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING.

UM, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE, THE NEED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO VET OUR BUDGET WRITERS AMENDMENTS WITH STAFF IN ADVANCE.

SO I'M CURIOUS, IS THERE, UM, CAUSE I KNOW FROM MY EXPERIENCE LAST YEAR WAS HAVING OUR, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE SUBMIT THROUGH THE Q AND A PROCESS, IS THERE A BUFFER TIME THERE? AND WHEN WE GET STAFF RESPONSES, UM, WHEN WE RECEIVE STAFF RESPONSES FROM WHEN WE SUBMIT IFCS OR THE BUDGET WRITER LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT HELP IN PROVIDING US WITH THAT SUFFICIENT TIME, UH, FOR US TO FORMULATE AND DRAFT OUR AMENDMENT, OUR WRITER, UM, BASED ON THE RESPONSE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM STAFF, AND TO HAVE TIME TO SHARE THAT DRAFT LANGUAGE WITH STAFF IN ADVANCE, I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE, WHAT'S THE BUFFER TIMEFRAME THERE? SO OUR GOAL IS TO GET RESPONSES BACK TO COUNCIL IN FIVE DAYS, AND I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE EXAMPLES AND FRUSTRATIONS ARE WHERE IT'S TAKEN FAR LONGER THAN FIVE DAYS.

SOMETIMES THE QUESTIONS ARE VERY IN-DEPTH AND TAKE A LOT OF TIME.

AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS THESE BOTTLENECKS IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND SO THAT WEEK OR TWO LEADING UP TO BUDGET ADOPTION, WE MAY GET AN WELL IN EXCESS OF A HUNDRED QUESTIONS OVER THAT TWO WEEK PERIOD.

AND IT'S HARD TO HIT FIVE DAYS WHEN THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS COMING IN.

UM, BUT FIVE DAYS IS OUR GOAL.

I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, TWO-THIRDS OF THE TIME THREE QUARTERS OF THE TIME, WE'RE ABLE TO GET OUR RESPONSES OUT WITHIN THAT FIVE DAY WINDOW UM, I SEE THIS AS TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT DON'T HAVE TO GO TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM IS THE TIMELINE, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND TO ME THAT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE ESTABLISHED DEADLINES.

UM, THE SECOND ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE FOUR PEOPLE.

SO, AND I DON'T THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE DEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER.

SO JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH SETTING DEADLINES.

I THINK IT CAN BE HELPFUL.

UM, AND MAYBE WE THINK OF THEM AS TARGETS THAT WE REALLY TRY TO REACH, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN VET THINGS AHEAD OF TIME.

I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

AND SO WE JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT WHAT THAT IS.

UM, THE SECOND ITEM IS, IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE FIRST.

UM, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A, QUITE A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

I, I DON'T SUPPORT REQUIRING FOR PEOPLE TO AND USING AN IFC PROCESS BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR BUDGET IS WE'RE AMENDING IT.

SO IT'S MORE AKIN TO AMENDMENTS AND I THINK ANYBODY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT AND, UM, WHICH, WHICH HAS BEEN FINE IN THE PAST.

I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT ISSUE CAUSES DIFFICULTIES AS LONG AS WE'RE MEETING DEADLINES AND BEDDING WHAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, SO I WOULD SAY, AND I, I DON'T REALLY CARE WHETHER WE CALL IT A RIDER OR AN IFC, THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW WE'VE DONE A WRITER AND I HAVE C IS JUST THE FOUR PEOPLE VERSUS NOT THE FOUR PEOPLE, BUT WE CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT.

THE, THE, THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT, UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT REQUIRING FOUR PEOPLE AND TREATING IT LIKE AN IFC FOR WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY AN AMENDMENT PROCESS.

SO, BUT, UM, BUT LET'S DO DEAD DEADLINES.

I'M HAPPY TO DO DEADLINES AND HELP STAFF WITH THAT.

HOW MUCH DETAIL WOULD BE HELPFUL IN, IN THESE IFC BUDGET WRITERS? I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE LONGER AMOUNTS OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO VET THEM FOR OUR NORMAL COUNCIL AGENDAS, SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE THEM FOR WEEKS OR EVEN MONTHS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THEM WITH OUR COLLEAGUES STAFFS, BUT, UM, FOR THE BUDGET WRITER PROCESS, DO WE NEED A LOT OF, WHEREAS IS, DO WE NEED TO KIND OF MAKE OUR CASE OR DO WE JUST SEND YOU A BE IT RESOLVED AND GET

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I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE, BE RESOLVED.

THIS IS THE DIRECTION, UM, WITHOUT ALL THE WHEREAS IS SO I THINK WE, I THINK I WANT TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHAT EXACTLY THE CHALLENGES, I THINK THE VETTING PART IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK WE TEND TO TAKE UP, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE LACK OF IT.

UM, ONE IS TAKING THEM UP AT THE VERY END OF THE BUDGET PROCESS WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, PASSED THE OTHERS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MONEY AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO FLY THROUGH QUITE A FEW BUDGET WRITERS.

SO I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH HAVING EARLIER DEADLINES FOR THEM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ANY OF US, AS I, I THINK WE ESTABLISHED A FEW BUDGET CYCLES AGO.

UM, ANY OF US HAS A LEGAL RIGHT TO BRING AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET AT ANY POINT IN THE PROCESS.

AND JUST AS YOU KNOW, OUR COLLEAGUES, UM, HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY, NO, THIS IS TOO LATE.

WE CAN'T CONSIDER IT.

WE NEED TO TAKE IT UP AT A DIFFERENT MEETING, BUT I MEAN, SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO GET BUDGET WRITERS IN EARLIER FOR VETTING AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THERE'S ONE THAT EMERGES AS AN NEED AFTER THAT DEADLINE, WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT, A LEGAL RIGHT TO BRING IT FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ASK OUR COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER IT.

AND GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED CO-SPONSORS FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE, THE BUDGET.

YOU NEED A SECOND.

AND, AND THEN FOLKS CAN INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT BY VOTING IT UP OR DOWN.

SO I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE FOUR CO-SPONSORS.

I ALSO KNOW THAT IN THE YEARS WHERE WE DID, WHAT WAS IT CALLED? LIKE THE CONCEPT LIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, WE, IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE BUDGET APPROVAL, WE WERE RUNNING INSTEAD OF LIKE DIVING INTO THE ISSUE.

I MEAN, WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE DIVING INTO THE ISSUES AND LOOKING AT THE ISSUES AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS WITH RUNNING AROUND AND TRYING TO GET THE NECESSARY NUMBERS.

AND THEN PEOPLE WOULD FEEL LIKE IF THEY WEREN'T ON SOMETHING, THEY SUPPORTED THAT THEY NEEDED TO CONTACT THAT OFFICE AND TRY TO GET THEIR NAME ON IT.

IT WAS JUST, IT WAS UNNECESSARY BUREAUCRACY AND CHAOS.

AND, AND I THINK THAT WE JUST INDICATE OUR SUPPORT BY VOTING IT UP OR DOWN.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE AS A STRONG GOAL SLASH, UM, DEADLINE, THE BUDGET, GETTING OUR BUDGET RIGHT.

OR RESOLUTIONS IN OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL THEM.

UM, BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE, ONE DON'T NEED SPONSORS, AND IF THERE'S A PRESSING NEED THAT EMERGES, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A RIGHT TO BRING SOMETHING AFTER THAT POINT.

AND IT IS, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD DAWNING REALIZATIONS VERY LATE IN THE BUDGET AND, UM, AND HAVE HAD, AND HAVE HAD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER, I MEAN, THERE WAS A NEED, A COUPLE, MANY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND PUBLIC RESTROOMS. AND IN LITERALLY THE NIGHT BEFORE BUDGET APPROVAL, I FOUND A FUND THAT WHAT HAD A BUNCH OF MONEY IN IT THAT WAS RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE INTERSTATE THAT COULD FUND A PUBLIC RESTROOM OVER THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT ANY OF US TO BE PREVENTED FROM, FROM FINDING INFORMATION AT THE LAST MINUTE AND BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR, FOR OUR BUDGET AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THANKS.

UM, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT STAFF TO BE HINDERED BY SOME OF THE LAST MINUTE CHANGES THAT WE TEND TO MAKE UP HERE ON THE DAY.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A MORE ORDERLY PROCESSED.

AND SO THE DEADLINES I THINK ARE GREAT.

I'M NOT SURE I COULDN'T SUPPORT THE FOUR.

CO-SPONSORS JUST KNOWING HOW DIFFICULT IT CAN SOMETIMES BE TO, TO FIND CO-SPONSORS FOR THINGS SPECIFIC, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEIR DISTRICT NEEDS.

UM, SO I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE YOU COULD HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAME TO THAT CHANGE IN THAT CONCLUSION, SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS LIKE THERE'S GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT THE, THE BUDGET ADOPTIVE PROCESS CAN BE A BIT DISORDERLY AND CHAOTIC.

AND SO LET'S TRY TO BRING SOME ORDER TO IT.

AND TIMELINES OF STAFF HAD THIS SAME CONVERSATION.

HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO COUNCIL ABOUT HOW TO BRING A MORE ORDERLY PROCESS TO BEAR? AND AS WE WERE DISCUSSING IT, WE JUST CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT, WELL, THERE'S ALREADY A WELL-ESTABLISHED IFC PROCESS THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF AND FAMILIAR WITH.

LET'S JUST USE THAT, BUT TOTALLY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE, UH, STILL DON'T HAVE KERRY ON THE LINE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS, UH, ANY REAL CONCERN ON STAFF'S PART ABOUT NOT DOING THE CO-SPONSORS, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IS WE HAD A WELL-ESTABLISHED EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH IT, UNDERSTANDS IT, LET'S JUST BRING THAT TO THE BUDGET WAS OUR THINKING.

IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, UM, TO TRY TO, UM, MAYBE STREAMLINE AND MAKE MORE ORDERLY THE EFFORT.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, UM, THE OFFICIAL IFC PROCESSES PROBABLY TOO CUMBERSOME BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED, WHEREAS IS, UM, SO IT'S REALLY A TRUNCATED VERSION OF THAT.

I THINK HAVING FOUR SPONSORS IS PROBABLY TOO MANY.

I KNOW FOR THE AUSTIN ENERGY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AGENDA, WE HAVE THREE.

UM, I DO THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OTHER PERSON ON THERE WHO EFFECTIVELY FUNCTIONS AS A SECOND.

UH, THE

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PIECE THAT REALLY STRIKES ME AS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN ALL OF THIS THOUGH, IS GETTING THE INFORMATION OF THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR BUDGET COMING FROM ALL OF US ON THE DAYAS TO ONE ANOTHER EARLIER, AS WELL AS TO STAFF.

SO I THINK THAT THAT BENEFITS ALL OF US AS WELL.

SO, UM, EVEN IN THOSE INSTANCES, LIKE KATHY HAS MENTIONED AT THE LAST MINUTE WE, OR THE NIGHT BEFORE WE, WE ARE ABLE TO FIND SOME FUNDING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE DOESN'T PRE, UH, DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT FROM HAPPENING.

BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING US THE INFORMATION EARLIER.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY BITS AND PIECES OF, OF ALL OF THIS THAT, UM, I THINK WE COULD PULL TOGETHER TO STRUCTURE A REALLY HOPEFULLY, UM, STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE PROCESS GOING FORWARD.

MAYBE FEWER THAN FOUR PEOPLE WILL GET THE INFORMATION EARLY.

UM, IT CAN LAY OUT THE ELEMENTS OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DIG REAL DEEP INTO, WHEREAS IS AN EXPLANATIONS.

I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I WOULD EXPAND ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A BITS AND PIECES AND PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE RULE IS THEN WE COULD FASHION HERE.

UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNCIL TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE DIRECTION TO ANYTHING THAT'S PUT IN THE BUDGET.

AND AS CATHY SAID, SOMEONE COULD COME WITH AN AMENDMENT THE WAY WE DO IT RIGHT NOW, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY.

WE COULD SAY NO AMENDMENTS COME WITHOUT BEING POSTED SEVEN DAYS AHEAD OF TIME.

WE CAN ADOPT THAT RULE AS A BODY IF WE WANT TO.

UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED THAT AND CONSCIOUSLY NOT ADOPTED THAT.

UH, SO AS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO BRING AMENDMENTS AT THE END, BUT IF SOMEONE HAS THE ABILITY TO BRING IN AN AMENDMENT AT THE END, I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROPOSE A DIRECTION ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THAT AMENDMENT.

THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND THAT IS THAT THAT PERSON WHO'S BRINGING THAT AMENDMENT OR BRINGING THAT DIRECTION IS ASKING, UM, UH, HIS OR HER COLLEAGUES TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVEN'T SEEN FOR VERY LONG AND MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO VAT WITH THEIR COUNCIL STAFFS OR WITH THEIR COMMUNITY OR THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT BALANCES THAT, THAT SAYS THAT AN AMENDMENT AND, OR, UM, UH, A DIRECTION THAT'S PUBLISHED TO THE MESSAGE BOARD SEVEN DAYS IN ADVANCE, UM, IS SUFFICIENT TIME FOR US ALL TO BE ABLE TO READ IT AND VET IT.

AND IF YOU COME WITH A DIRECTION, UH, THAT IS NEW, UH, THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO VET RECOGNIZING IS COMING AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO AMENDMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT IT TAKES A SUPER MAJORITY TO BE ABLE TO PASS.

AND, AND I CAN'T, CAN'T WE, AFTER THE FACT OF THE BUDGET, BRING A DIRECTION AND PASS IT AS A COUNCIL NOW, WHEREAS WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PASS THE BUDGET ON, ON A CERTAIN DAY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THE COUNCIL TWO WEEKS LATER FROM ADDING A DIRECTION IN THE FORM OF AN IFC.

UH, SO I THINK YOU COULD ADOPT A RULE THAT SAYS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR DIRECTION PASSED ON THE 17TH, AS PART, AT THE SAME TIME THE BUDGET IS PASSED, THEN, THEN, UH, A SUPER MAJORITY HAS TO BE READY TO CONSIDER IT, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT VOTING FOR IT.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE, EVEN IF YOU HAVE THREE OR MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT READY TO VOTE ON A DIRECTION, THEN THAT'S A DIRECTION THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TWO WEEKS LATER, UH, WHERE IT ONLY REQUIRES A SIMPLE MAJORITY.

UH, AND THAT WAY, IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT MINORITY OF THE COUNCIL THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE READY TO, TO ABODE YET, CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO VET IT.

THEY HAVE SOME MEASURE OF, OF RELIEF.

UM, I'M TRYING TO, TO, TO BLEND BOTH AND TO PROVIDE MULTIPLE PATHWAYS FOR THE, FOR THE COUNCIL TO, TO ACT, BUT NOT PUTTING THE MINORITY OF THE COUNCIL IN A POSITION WHERE SIX PEOPLE COULD BASICALLY PUT UP A DIRECTION AND GET IT PASSED WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THE COUNCIL FEELING LIKE THEY REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO, TO, TO VET IT OR TO CONSIDER IT AT TIME MY COMMENTS ON THE BROADER

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ISSUE, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY OR RECOMMENDATION.

SO, UM, I AGREE THAT WE NEED MORE STRUCTURE AND DEADLINES.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMELINE AS LAID OUT, GIVEN WHEN WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WHEN WE HAVE OUR WORK SESSIONS, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND THE SCHEDULE, WE WILL NOT HAVE OUR FIRST WORK SESSION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER UNTIL THE NINTH.

AND YOU'RE TELLING US THAT OUR DEADLINE IS THE 10TH AND I DON'T SEE THAT AS REALISTIC.

AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON THE 11TH.

UM, SO IN THEORY, I LOVE THE IDEA OF US HAVING THIS STUFF DONE EARLIER, BUT, UM, I MEAN THIS PROCESS IS REALLY TRUNCATED THIS YEAR.

WE USUALLY HAVE WAY MORE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER AND TO GO IN DEPTH ON PARTICULAR PARTICULAR THINGS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ON THE SECOND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SHOW UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE, UM, SOME CONVERSATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN SOMEBODY WILL POST SOMETHING.

WE WON'T HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND THEN LIKE WE COULD HAVE SUGGESTIONS OR KNOWLEDGE AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

AND I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AGREEING THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BRING SOMETHING AFTER THE 11TH.

IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING THE SECOND DAY ON THE 11TH, THERE'S USUALLY A RAMP UP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME BROAD QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT WE HAVE PROPERLY ADDRESSED OUR WORKFORCE INVESTMENTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE A 200 AND SOME ITEM AGENDA THIS WEEK.

SO I IMAGINE THAT VERY OF US ARE GETTING BUDGET WORK DONE THIS WEEK.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR WHERE WE GET SUCH LITTLE TIME TO REVIEW SUCH A LARGE BUDGET AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE OF THERE'S SO LITTLE INFORMATION IN THE BUDGET.

I MEAN, I'M ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS I'M ASKING EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN THE BUDGET.

YOU COULD LITERALLY GO BACK AND SEE THAT I'M ASKING QUESTIONS.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS FUNDED FOR AISD THIS YEAR? WHAT WERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT GRANTS WERE WERE ENDED THAT WE HAVE OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT INFORMATION IS JUST NOT THERE AND WE NEVER GET THE ANSWERS IN FIVE DAYS.

I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER GOTTEN AN ANSWER FOR ANYTHING IN FIVE DAYS THAT I'M AWARE OF.

UM, GRANTED I DON'T LOVE THE BUDGET Q AND A INTERFACE, SO I'M NOT ON THERE PERHAPS TIMELY, BUT I, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE IT'S UNREALISTIC.

UM, JUST REMIND US OF A, ANOTHER DYNAMIC.

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR IT, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, HAPPENS WITH DIRECTION IS A LOT OF TIMES THAT BUDGET RIDER DIRECTION IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE AMENDMENT.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING SEPARATE, IT GOES WITH IT.

SO TO, I, I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO SEPARATE, UH, AN AMENDMENT PROCESS FROM A, FROM A BUDGET DIRECTION PROCESS.

UM, SO THERE THERE'S THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING TO, TO, TO GIVE YOU JUST A, A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE LAST YEAR, I DID A BUDGET RIDER RELATED TO AUSTIN CARES, WHICH IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE 9 1 1, UM, CLINICIAN.

BUT, UM, AND SO IT HAD SOME DOLLARS IN IT, BUT IT ALSO HAD SOME SPECIFIC USE FOR THOSE DOLLARS.

AND BRINGING THAT LATER WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED BECAUSE BRINGING THE AMENDMENT AMENDMENT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THOSE KINDS OF DIRECTIONS.

SO WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE AND I'M SURE MY EXAMPLE IS NOT THE ONLY EXAMPLE THAT THAT'S A DYNAMIC THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF TOO, WITH REGARD TO THE DIRECTIONS.

SO I JUST, I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.

UM, I WOULD, UM, SO MAYOR, I REALLY, REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO THINK OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOME, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK TOGETHER, BUT, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE, UM, I'D BE REALLY RELUCTANT TO DO THE SUPER MAJORITY THING ALSO BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I'D RATHER DO IS JUST SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES, DO YOUR ABSOLUTE BEST TO GET SOMETHING BY WHATEVER WE DECIDED TO INAPPROPRIATE DEADLINE, UH, BUT NOT INTRODUCE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE VIEWED AS MORE, MORE OF A BARRIER OR PERHAPS EVEN PUNITIVE.

ALTHOUGH I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY, BUT, UM, BUT TO MY MIND, IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE KIND OF A BARRIER, YOU KNOW, UH, TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, IF YOU DON'T GET SOMETHING IN, BY A CERTAIN DATE, YOU HAVE TO DO A SUPERMARKET MAJORITY.

I'D RATHER JUST RELY, TRUST MY COLLEAGUES TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO, TO MEET THE, MEET THE DEADLINE AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE OTHER DYNAMIC WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF IS SOMETIMES WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND I LIKE THE WAY YOU'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST MAYOR IS THAT,

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YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETIMES WITH DIRECTION WITH THEM.

AND, UH, THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO WORK BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE'RE WORKING WITH.

SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM AND, AND THEN KIND OF RANK THEM IN OUR MIND.

UM, BUT THAT'S AN EXERCISE THAT I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT WE CAN DO AHEAD OF TIME.

UM, AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE'VE DONE THAT THAT'S REALLY BEEN HELPFUL IS, IS KIND OF THE RUNNING LIST AND THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE FOR US TO SAY, OR SOMETIMES MAYBE I'M NOT REMEMBERING EXACTLY HOW YOU'VE DONE IT, BUT SOMETIMES WE'VE ADOPTED EVERYTHING.

AND THEN WE'VE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE OVER XML.

WE NEED TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.

I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW YOU'VE DONE IT, BUT ANYWAY, MY POINT IS THAT THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THEM.

SO I WANT TO JUST PRESERVE THE, PRESERVE OUR ABILITY TO WORK THROUGH THAT, UM, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SO KATHY, YEAH.

AND JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST PROPOSED, I WOULD SUGGEST TOO, INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF KIND OF ADOPT APPROVING, I'M TRYING TO SWITCH US TO APPROVING I'M ADOPTING, BUT INSTEAD OF APPROVING, INSTEAD OF APPROVING, UM, AT A HIGHER THRESHOLD AND KIND OF CHANGING OUR THRESHOLD OF, OF APPROVAL, I WOULD SUGGEST WE JUST KIND OF KEEP IT SIMPLE AND, AND HAVE, UM, A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, PROACTIVELY ASK THE STAFF TO LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE BUDGET WRITERS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT OR FEEL NEED MORE VETTING OR NEED MORE TIME.

UM, THIS ISN'T DIFFERENT REALLY FROM WHAT WE DO ON EVERY COUNCIL AGENDA.

I MEAN, SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT HURT OUR AGENDA IS RESOLUTIONS.

THAT FOR PEOPLE MAY FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH ABOUT TO PUT ON AN AGENDA, BUT THEY'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL NEED BEDDING AND THE COUNCIL MAJORITY MIGHT DECIDE TO POSTPONE IT.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE PROACTIVELY ASK OUR STAFF TO LET US KNOW WE CAN HAVE AN EARLIER DEADLINE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING.

SOME MIGHT COME IN AFTER ABOUT ALL OF THEM.

WE PROACTIVELY HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME CARVED OUT IN THE BUDGET WHERE WE SAY STAFF, DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ANY OF THESE? ARE THERE ANY THAT YOU FEEL NEED MORE INFORMATION, MORE DETAIL? UM, ALL OF OUR DIOCESE CAN HEAR THAT INFORMATION AND ACT ON IT AS THEY WILL.

AND THAT WE SCHEDULE, UM, A PERIOD OF TIME ON OUR NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA WHERE WE'LL TAKE UP ANYTHING.

WE POSTPONED ANY OF THOSE BUDGET RIDERS WE POSTPONE.

SO WE'LL CARVE OUT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THAT NEXT AGENDA.

WE MAY NOT BE READY TO PASS THOSE THEN THAT EITHER, BUT AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE.

PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE READY TO DEAL WITH IT TODAY, OR THEY'RE NOT READY TO DEAL WITH IT.

AND IT GOES ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

KANZI THANK YOU.

UM, SO IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME AND I MEANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF ON THIS.

UM, DURING THIS PROCESS, WHEN IT WAS FIRST LAID OUT TO MY OFFICE, IT IS OUR, THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS OR INITIATIVES THAT ARE NOT FUNDED IN THE BUDGET.

AND I WAS HOPING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A LIST OF THOSE AHEAD OF TIME AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES ARE GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAYBE WORK THOSE INTO THE AMENDMENT PROCESS, BUT WE WILL NEED THAT LEAD TIME TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPECIFICALLY.

THAT'S NOT BEEN FUNDED.

SO DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATED TIME WHEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THAT TO US? UM, YEAH, WE HAVE THAT.

OH, GO AHEAD, GARY.

I'M SORRY.

NO, ONE'S READY TO HAVE LIKE AN ENFORCEABLE RULE, UH, THAT WE FOLLOW.

UM, I SENT OUT A MEMO, I BELIEVE LAST EARLY LAST WEEK WITH, UM, UH, EMAIL WITH THE IFC, THE UNFUNDED IFC AT THIS POINT, AS WELL AS, UH, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE, THAT WE RECEIVED AS PART OF THE PROCESS.

SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT.

I CAN MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR OFFICE TO SEE IF YOU WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION I CAN.

AND I'LL ASK YOU ABOUT BILLY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SORRY.

I MISSED IT.

DO WE HAVE GENERAL AGREEMENT AND TRYING TO GET THE BUDGET WRITERS EARLIER? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THE ISSUE THAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM RAISED THAT WE WERE HAVING A WORK SESSION ON THE 11TH AND THEN THE AMENDMENTS ARE DUE THE FOLLOWING DAY.

AND SO I THINK WE NEED MORE TIME THE PRIOR DAY, THE PRIOR DAY.

SO IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO MEET THAT DEADLINE WHEN WE'RE STILL RECEIVING PUBLIC FEEDBACK.

SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ENTIRELY THE CASE BECAUSE WE GET INPUT.

WE'VE BEEN GETTING INPUT SINCE ALMOST THE FIRST OF THE YEAR FROM SOME ADVOCATES.

UM, I THINK THOSE RIDERS THAT ARE READY TO GO SHOULD DEFINITELY BE PUT OUT THERE.

AND THEN, AND THEN THERE ISN'T ANY BAR TO US BRINGING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MIGHT.

MY WHOLE POINT IS, AND I THINK I, I JOINED STAFF ON THIS ONE.

I'M PROBABLY ALL OF US FEEL THE SAME WAY IT WOULD.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THE INFORMATION AS SOON AS WE CAN, AS SOON AS IT'S AVAILABLE.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUSH ALL OF US TOWARD, UM, GETTING INFORMATION.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT UP ON THE MESSAGE BOARD? MY SENSE IS AT THIS POINT,

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I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SPEAK, UH, IN FAVOR OF, OF THAT, UH, OTHER THAN A GENERAL ADMISSION TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL TO POST AS EARLY AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING THUS FAR.

AND WOULD IT BE TO THE MESSAGE BOARD OR ARE WE USING A DIFFERENT FORUM? CAN I SUGGEST THESE GOT YOUR HAND UP? I THINK THE MESSAGE BOARD ENABLES US TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER, RIGHT? SO THAT, AND THE STAFF COULD PULL ANYTHING OFF THE MESSAGE BOARD INTO WHATEVER LIST IT'S COMPILING, BUT IF WE POST THEM TO THE MESSAGE BOARD, THEN WE CAN AT LEAST ENGAGE ONE ANOTHER.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST AT LEAST ESTABLISH THAT WE'VE GOT AGREEMENT ON MAYBE ONE OR TWO DETAILS BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS TO BE PRETTY FREE FLOATING AT THIS POINT.

SO CAN I SEARCH, THANK YOU.

I WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF A BUDGET WRITER THAT HAS PROVEN PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M, I MEAN, I, I APPRECIATE THE NEED TO HAVE THINGS BETTER THAN I WANT THEM VETTED AND I WANT THEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO DO THAT.

UM, I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

I WANT TO HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND I WANT TO HEAR ANSWERS TO MY BUDGET QUESTIONS, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HEAR ON THE 11TH.

SO I DON'T THINK THE 10TH IS VIABLE, BUT I, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND A BUDGET WRITER THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, PROVED PROBLEMATIC, UM, IN TERMS OF INTERPRETATION.

SO THAT, THAT WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF A BUDGET WRITER THAT HAS PROVED PROBLEMATIC BEYOND THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MORE TIME TO VET IT, WHICH I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH.

UM, AND THEN, YEAH, SO WE'LL START THERE.

I'LL ASK MATT.

CARRIE'S TRYING TO SPEAK.

I WAS MUTED.

UM, I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND WITHOUT, UM, REALLY HAVING A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR'S PROCESS IN GENERAL, UM, SEVERAL OF THE WRITERS THAT CAME IN, IT TOOK THE STAFF, UM, BOTH BUDGET AND THE CLERK STAFF AND, UM, DEPARTMENT STAFF SEVERAL MONTHS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE WRITER WAS AND WHAT, UM, HOW WE SHOULD PUT THAT INFORMATION INTO THE SYSTEM.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, UM, WRITERS THAT WERE PUT INTO THE CIU ARE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT MANY OF THOSE WRITERS WERE NOT ACTUALLY ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER BUDGET ADOPTION.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE DOING A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH OF REALLY TRYING TO GO BACK AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT OF THE WRITER WAS.

AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC WRITER IN FRONT OF ME TO SAY THIS SPECIFIC ONE, BUT WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AND LET YOU KNOW WHICH ONES WERE THE, UM, BROUGHT THE MOST CHALLENGES IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE ENTERED IT CORRECTLY AND HAD THE RIGHT INFORMATION AND THE POOR AND 10 OF THE COUNCIL.

ONCE WE STARTED GOING BACK AND REVIEWING THE DATA AND DOING A LIMITS TO .

SO IS IT MORE OF A PROBLEM OF LIKE, HOW DO YOU CAPTURE THIS IN THE BUDGET AND MOVING FORWARD AND MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE, OR IT A PROBLEM OF THE POSTING LANGUAGE? I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WHAT PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO STOP FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT MORE TIME TO VET THINGS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HEAR THINGS FROM, FROM THE STAFF, BUT ABSENT AN EXAMPLE OF A BUDGET WRITER THAT WAS PARTICULARLY, UM, PROBLEMATIC.

I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT TROUBLE.

THERE, UM, LATER WRITERS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT WRITING IS AS WE WERE GOING BACK AND REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTATION.

WHAT I CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE SEEN WRITERS IN VERY VARIOUS FORMATS, SOME HAVE BEEN MORE IN THE, YOU KNOW, UM, BE IT RESOLVED, WHEREAS SOME HAVE BEEN HERE, THE FORMAT HASN'T BEEN ALWAYS STANDARDIZED.

UM, AND SO PULLING FROM WHAT THE INTENT IS, IS GOING TO CHALLENGE.

UM, AND SO THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT OVER THE LAST YEAR OR WHEN WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR THAT THAT MADE IT A CHALLENGE.

AND IT WAS SOMEWHAT THE LACK OF STANDARDIZATION, UM, THE DIFFERENT FORMATS THAT WE RECEIVED, THE INFORMATION IN, AND THEN THE, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE LAST MINUTE WAS MAKING SURE WE CAPTURED THE INTENT, THE WAY THAT IT WAS CAPTURED, THE, THE RIGHT OR THE WAY THAT IT WAS INTENDED IN THE DISCUSSION.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, REVIEWING OF THE MINUTES REVIEWING ALL THE CONVERSATION.

SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S ON BOTH ENDS.

IT'S THE FORMAT THAT'S COMING IN INITIALLY AS WELL AS WHEN

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SO PERHAPS WE SHOULD, UM, AIM TO GET OUR BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND BUDGET MINERS, AS MANY AS WE CAN IN BY THE 12TH.

SO, WHICH HAS BEEN OUR STANDARD PRACTICE.

IT WAS THE FRIDAY BEFORE, AND THAT WE TAKE UP THOSE AMENDMENTS AND THOSE WRITERS BEFORE WE TAKE UP OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING AFTER THAT POINT, UM, AND THAT WE ASK OURSELVES WHEN WE'RE DOING A BUDGET RIDER FOR IT TO BE AN, A BE IT RESOLVED FORMAT, UM, AND THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE RUNNING THEIR BUDGET WRITERS BY LEGAL, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONCE BEFORE IT GETS SUBMITTED.

UM, THAT MIGHT ADDRESS THAT MIGHT ADDRESS, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ISSUES.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY THAT IF WE DON'T THINK A BUDGET RIDER BELONGS IN THE BUDGET THAT WE SAY, WE'D LIKE YOU TO BRING AN IFC.

SO WE CAN LOOK AT THIS MORE AND YOU KNOW, THAT IS ON US TO TAKE THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF MAKE THOSE KINDS OF CALLS AS, AS YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT.

UM, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE UNFUNDED RIGHT BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GO THERE JUST REAL QUICKLY.

I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS MAKE SENSE, AND WE HAVE PRECEDENT FOR THAT.

WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, WE'VE SET A DATE LIKE THAT, AND WE'VE CONSIDERED THOSE THINGS THAT WERE FILED BY THOSE DAYS.

AND WE'VE CONSIDERED ALL THOSE BEFORE WE'VE CONSIDERED THAN THE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE INITIATED THE WORD TRAUNCH WAY BACK WHEN, UH, AND WE CONSIDER, UH, AND THEN WE CONSIDER THEM THOSE THINGS THAT WERE NOT FILED BY THAT DAY, BUT WE CONSIDER THEM AFTER THE OTHER.

SO THE OTHERS GET CONSIDERED FIRST.

AND I THINK THE NEW PART IS REALLY MAKING SURE THAT LEGAL IS LOOKING AT THOSE BUDGET WRITERS AND THAT WE'RE BRINGING LEGAL IN AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THOSE, YOU KNOW, AT AN EARLIER STAGE.

AND THAT WE HAVE TO BE OPEN IF LEGAL IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY BELONGS AS A SEPARATE IFC.

IT'S FINE TO SURFACE IT AND BRING IT FORWARD, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU NEED TO BRING THAT AS AN IFC AND NOT PART OF THE BUDGET FROM A POSTING STANDPOINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S A CONVERSATION.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN ALWAYS GO AHEAD AND STILL BRING IT, BUT THAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE SHARED WITH THE WHOLE COUNCIL, IF THAT'S THE REVIEW.

UM, SO THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TO RAISE IS, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT UNFUNDED, UM, IFC LIST IS ACCURATE.

I KNOW THAT, UM, FOR INSTANCE, AUSTIN, CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORPS IS MISSING STAFFING TO BE ABLE, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PATHWAYS THAT, THAT STAFFING AND THAT OTHER, YOU KNOW, FULL BUMP BUDGET STUFF WAS IN THE ORIGINAL IFC.

WE HAVE, UM, UNFUNDED PIECES WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ASSAULT.

UM, THE PERF RECOMMENDATIONS WE'LL BE COMING BACK SORT OF THE WEEK OF BUDGET.

AND THERE'S NO PROVISION IN THERE TO BE ABLE TO, TO FUND THE SEXUAL COMPREHENSIVE SEXUAL ASSAULT RESPONSE.

EVEN THOUGH WE PROMISED IN THE SETTLEMENT TO THE SURVIVORS THAT WE WOULD BE, UM, FUNDING THAT.

UM, SO I THINK THERE ARE, AND THOSE ARE JUST THE TWO THAT CAME TO MY MIND THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO ME.

I'M SURE THAT MY COLLEAGUES, UM, HAVE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, INCLUDED IN THERE.

UM, SOME OF THEM ARE, I KNOW THAT OF UMBRELLAS IS ITEM THAT I CO-SPONSORED WITH RESPECT TO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT WAS ON THAT LIST.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SOME THAT ARE, AND SOME THAT ARE NOT.

UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHEN WE WILL HEAR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT ADDITIONAL SALES TAX OR THINGS COMING IN FROM THE NEXT MONTH? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION.

DO YOU KNOW WHEN WE WILL BE HEARING ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL RECEIPTS OF TAX REVENUE THAT MIGHT CHANGE? WE GAVE THAT INFORMATION FORWARD, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WHEN WE WERE PREPARING FOR THE BEDROOM, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT UPDATED INFORMATION TO DRAW PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION DATES.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OKAY.

BUT WILL WE HAVE THOSE PRIOR TO THE 12TH? SO THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE HERE IS IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH, I BELIEVE WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME UPDATE BEFORE THE 12TH.

UM, DURING OUR WORK SESSION, WE'LL BE ABLE TO BUY SOME INFORMATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHO HAVE THE FINAL DATA, UM, AT THE 11TH WORK SESSION, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVE THROUGH THAT DAY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, AND THEN ON THE SECOND, WOULD WE BE POSTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY CONVERSATION IF THERE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE BUDGET HEARING DOESN'T GO ALL DAY, WILL THERE BE TIME FOR US TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION TO CLARIFY,

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YOU KNOW, WHAT TOPICS WILL BE COVERED AT THE OTHER WORK SESSIONS OR, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO SURFACE, BEGIN TO SURFACE THINGS FOR OUR COLLEAGUES, SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN COLLABORATING ON THINGS THAT WE CAN FACILITATE, SOME OF THAT, THAT PROCESS ON THE SECOND, IT'S REALLY UNUSUAL TO ME THAT OUR ONLY TWO WORK SESSIONS ARE THE SAME WEEK AND THE WEEK BEFORE BUDGET.

UM, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE POSTING LANGUAGE FOR DISCUSSION.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS.

UM, AND OKAY.

BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS COSTING LANGUAGE FOR DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.

IN FACT, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST POST IT THAT WAY POSSIBLE DISCUSSION AMONG COUNCIL.

THAT WAY WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, WE CAN DECIDE BASED ON TIMING, WHETHER WE WANT TO DO IT OR NOT.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S TIME THAT'S SET ASIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME SPEAK TO US, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY SPEAKERS THERE ARE, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, TO BE COLLABORATING ON THE BUDGET.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, KELLY, KINSEY, YOUR LIGHTS ON NO, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER KITCHEN AND THAT'S.

SO I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LIST OF, UM, UH, OF RESOLUTIONS THAT WERE NOT FUNDED.

UM, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT A LOT OF THOSE JUST HAVE SOME TERMS THAT SAY UNDER DEVELOPMENT, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS TO ME IS I'VE GOT TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT THAT MEANS, WHETHER UNDER DEVELOPMENT UNDER WHETHER UNDER DEVELOPMENT MEANS IT'S IT'S COMING OR WHETHER IT NEEDS, I DON'T HAVE ANY THAT, THAT DOESN'T GIVE ME ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT I NEED TO, UM, BRING ANY KIND OF BUDGET, UM, AMENDMENT OR A WRITER ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE IT'S INTRODUCING SOME MORE TIME INTO, IN MORE BACK AND FORTH IN THE PROCESS THAT I'M HAVING TO DO SOME RESEARCH TO CHECK.

SO THAT'S JUST THE LIST.

THE LIST IS HELPFUL.

I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT PERHAPS IT'S NOT COMPLETE, BUT ALSO I WANT TO, I WANT TO NOTE THAT EVEN THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON IT, DON'T, DON'T GIVE ME ENOUGH INFORMATION.

AND SO IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE MORE TIME.

SO ADD AND, AND AIRY THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.

I THINK IT KIND OF THE CONSENSUS ON THE DIES, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION.

THE SEDIMENT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE ADOPT A POLICY THAT ENCOURAGES EVERYONE TO GET THEIR BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND THEIR DIRECTIONS OUT, UH, PRIOR TO THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE 12TH, UH, BY WAY OF MESSAGE BOARD POST, UH, AND THOSE WILL BE THE THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED, UH, FIRST WE'RE ENCOURAGING EVERYBODY TO, TO, TO, TO DO THAT.

UM, WE'RE ASKING, UH, YOUR OFFICE TO ADVISE US ON THOSE THINGS, CAUSE THERE'LL BE POSTED AND LEGAL TO ADVISE US, UH, INCLUDING THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT THINGS WITH RESPECT TO DIRECTION, UH, MAYBE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, AN IFC.

UM, BUT WHATEVER ADVICE OR COUNSEL YOU WOULD GIVE COLLEAGUES, WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM COUNCIL MEMBER.

TOVA.

UM, WHAT ABOUT MY IDEA? I DON'T THINK YOU CAPTURED THIS MAYOR OF, OF SCHEDULING A PERIOD OF TIME ON OUR NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA TO COVER THE THINGS AS BUDGET WRITERS.

LET'S, LET'S DO THAT.

IF WE CAN, OUR NOTICES, IF WE JUST PUT THE BUDGET PROCESS DISCUSSION OR BUDGET DISCUSSION, LET'S JUST START PUTTING THAT ON THE AGENDA WHENEVER WE GET TOGETHER COUNCIL.

AND IF WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES OR MORE, IF PEOPLE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THINGS, LET'S JUST PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.

MARY, I'M SORRY.

I, I WASN'T BEING CLEAR.

I GUESS I MEANT HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME HAVE A ON OUR VERY NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA AFTER THE BUDGET APPROVAL, HAVE A SECTION OF TIME WHERE WE COULD TAKE UP BUDGET WRITERS THAT WE DECIDED NEEDED MORE TIME, NOT AS IFCS, JUST AS BUDGET WRITERS.

FOR THE PUBLIC TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES IN PLAY? UM, SO IF WE, IF WE SUBMITTED THEM ON THE MESSAGE BOARD SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS, BUT ALSO SUBMITTED THEM TO, TO THE AGENDA, WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE SET OF ONE SET OF THEM VERY EASILY ACCESSIBLE IN THE BUDGET POSTING.

ARE YOU, I DIDN'T HEAR MUCH FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT, BUT IF I THINK THAT WOULD FACILITATE IT, THEN THEY DON'T NEED TO BE FULLY FLESHED OUT RESOLUTIONS NECESSARILY THOUGH.

YOU ALWAYS, YOU'RE ALWAYS IN A BETTER, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF PASSING IT WITH MORE INFORMATION.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SUGGEST IS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE SUBMIT OUR BUDGET WRITERS, IT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL.

I THINK IF WE ALSO SUBMITTED THEM TO THE AGENDA OFFICE FOR POSTING IN THE BACKUP RIGHT AWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS ON THE MESSAGE BOARD IS THAT PEOPLE START DISCUSSING IT.

AND THEN IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A CLEAR SENSE, OR WE HAVE A REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT DELIBERATIVE PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO POST THEM ON THE MESSAGE BOARD, BECAUSE OTHERWISE PEOPLE POST, SOME PEOPLE START DISCUSSING BUDGET AMENDMENTS, THEN SOME PEOPLE POST THEIR AMENDMENTS TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S THREAD.

AND IT JUST, IT BECOMES WILDLY CHALLENGING, I THINK FOR US AND FOR THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY

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I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO, I THINK THE LAST PIECE IS, ARE WE BACKING AWAY FROM HAVING FOUR PEOPLE SUPPORTING AN ITEM? I THINK SO.

AND IF SO, DID WE GO FROM FOUR TO NINE OR FOUR TO TWO? I MISSED THAT PART.

AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ESTABLISH ANY NUMBER AT ALL? I DON'T THINK SO.

SO AS TO NOT HAVE A, AN ADDITIONAL HURDLE WHILE THERE'S SO MUCH HAPPENING AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND, OH, JUST, JUST ONE LAST THOUGHT.

I, UM, I AGREE WITH PUTTING, UM, AN ITEM ON THE FOLLOWING, UM, UM, COUNCIL AGENDA, SO WE CAN DISCUSS RIDERS THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE READY FOR, BUT I DO WANT TO CAUTION THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH WRITERS AS PART OF THE BUDGET, BECAUSE WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT I HAVE IN MIND IS THOSE KIND OF DIRECTIONS THAT ARE REALLY PART AND PARCEL OF PASSING THE AMENDMENT.

SO, UM, SO I WOULD NOT WANT TO USE THAT UNLESS WE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO, SO, OKAY.

NATASHA, AND THEN I'LL COME TO CANCEL.

UH, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I THINK I MIGHT'VE MISSED SOMETHING.

UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, LESLIE ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION THERE.

I MIGHT'VE WALKED AWAY WHEN, UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THERE WAS THAT THERE WAS A, UH, UH, I GUESS, CRITICAL MASS AROUND HESITANCE TO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE CO-SPONSORS SO TO SPEAK.

UM, I PERSONALLY APPRECIATED STEPH REALLY TAKING THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL AFTER OUR LAST, UM, BUDGET ADOPTION AND RETOOLING THAT AMENDMENT PROCESS JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, ANECDOTALLY, UM, WHEN I HEARD, UM, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION FROM STAFF ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD APPROACH PRESENTING OUR BUDGET, ASK, UM, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT REALLY BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW MUCH WE BROUGHT FORWARD, HOW MUCH WE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, WORK OUT THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE BASE BUDGET PROCESS AND HOW TO TALK TO OUR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINKING THROUGH THAT NEXT YEAR, WE'RE REALLY ALL TRYING TO ACTIVELY COLLECTIVELY NOT BRING TOO MUCH FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND THEN WHEN IT DOESN'T GO LIKE THAT, IT'S LIKE, WELL, SHOOT, I, I COULD HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD A BUNCH OF STUFF TOO.

UM, BUT I THOUGHT COLLECTIVELY, WE HAD DECIDED THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN OUR FINITE TIME OUR FINITE ACCESS TO RESOURCES AND STAFF'S FRANKLY, FINITE OPPORTUNITY TO VET OUR ASK WHEN I THOUGHT THE ASK WAS, DON'T BRING TOO MUCH STUFF, REALLY BE DELIBERATE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD.

CERTAINLY DON'T BRING ANYTHING LAST MINUTE AND DON'T BRING ANY MORE THAN YOU HAVE TO GIVEN THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT ALL THE COUNCIL IS BRINGING FORWARD.

I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY, IF WE'RE NOT MOVING AT A SIMILAR PACE, THEN IT DEFINITELY FEELS LIKE SOMEBODY CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROCESS OF STREAMLINING MORE THAN OTHERS.

AND THAT IS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO COME FROM.

I DON'T THINK IT FEELS GOOD.

AND SO I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO SOME ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF, HEY, JUST SAY OVERSIGHT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY, I DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND PUNITIVE TO YOUR POINT.

AND, BUT I DO APPRECIATE SOME ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF OVERSIGHT TO REALLY KIND OF, UH, REGULATE HOW MUCH WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD, THE TIMING OF US BRINGING IT FORWARD.

UM, AND IT FEELING DELIBERATE AND NOT WHIMSICAL, YOU KNOW, COMING LAST MINUTE WITH SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE ALLOCATE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS GENERAL BUDGET, IT FEELS LIKE IT SHOULD BE THE MOST DELIBERATE POSSIBLE.

AND IF IT CAN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR, THEN THINK ABOUT NEXT YEAR, BUT DON'T BRING STUFF LAST MINUTE AND DON'T BRING TOO MUCH STUFF.

UM, ALL THAT TO SAY, I THOUGHT THE NEW PROCESS WAS GOING TO RESULT IN MORE TRANSPARENCY, MORE CLARITY, UM, AND REALLY HELPED THE PROCESS RUN MORE SMOOTHLY BETWEEN STAFF AND COUNCIL.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY ELSE RECOGNIZE, BUT I ALSO THINK IT HELPS TO REMOVE SOME OF THE MYSTICISM FOR NEWER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THE BUDGET PROCESS IS DIFFICULT AND THERE'S SOME SORT OF BUILT IN ADVANTAGES TO THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE IT LONGER, WHICH IN ADDITION TO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK ARE NOT FAIR FOR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.

SO, UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I'M ULTIMATELY ASKING IS, DID WE DECIDE AS A BODY THAT BACK IN A WAY FROM HAVING MULTIPLE PARTIES, YOU KNOW, UM, SPONSOR, SO TO SPEAK AND ITEM GOING FORWARD?

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CAN, CAN YOU REITERATE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED THERE FOR ME? WELL, CERTAINLY WE COULD DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT IS THE, THE WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, THE DESK.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT SPOKE IN FAVOR OF A NUMBER OTHER THAN THE SUGGESTION BY, BY ONE OF US, LESLIE HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONE PERSON I THINK, UH, BUT IT DIDN'T GET PICKED UP BY OTHERS.

THE, UM, UH, THE DISCIPLINE IS THERE, NO ONE REALLY SPOKE IN FAVOR OF A RULE, UH, TO, TO, TO IMPOSE SOME MEASURE OF DISCIPLINE AND NOTICE.

SO I THINK THAT WHERE WE CAME DOWN TO WAS, WAS SAYING, HEY, EVERYBODY TRIED TO DO THIS BY THE 12TH, UH, POST TO THE MESSAGE BOARDS AND TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

AND WHEN WE ACTUALLY START CONSIDERING THESE ITEMS, WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER FIRST THOSE ITEMS, WHICH WERE POSTED, UH, UH, BY THE 12TH, UH, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY, IT GIVES THEM SOME MEASURE OF ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING CONSIDERED WHILE EVERYBODY HAS A LOT OF ENERGY EARLY IN THE PROCESS AND THEY GET MORE OF THE OXYGEN IN THE, IN THE ROOM AND A CHANCE BUILD A, A CONSTITUENCY.

UH, BUT THAT GIVES THE, THE STAFF THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO VET THOSE, UH, AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT WE CONSIDER ANY PASSED AFTER THAT DATE, UM, WILL BE DECIDED BY AGAIN THE DAY IS, AND CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE A, A VIABLE ARGUMENT FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, THIS CAME TOO LATE FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER.

UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, THERE DIDN'T QUITE SEEM TO BE A DESIRE TO, TO SUGGEST SOMETHING ELSE, BUT A WEEKEND PAUSE FOR A SECOND TO SEE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SUGGEST SOMETHING ELSE AT THIS POINT.

AND, AND, AND PEOPLE COULD SUGGEST STUFF LATER ON, UH, THE TASHA.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUGGEST SOMETHING ELSE.

I VERY MUCH LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING UPWARDS OF FOUR PEOPLE, UM, CONFIRM THAT AN ITEM GO FORWARD FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.

I THINK IT WILL JUST HELP EVERYBODY, UM, THE LENGTH OF TIME, STRESS STAFF, TIME, STAFF EFFORT, ALL OF THE VARIABLES THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ARE EFFECTED BY HOW MANY THINGS PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD.

I THINK HAVING FOUR PEOPLE SIGN ON AND SAY, I ALSO AGREE YOU SHOULD BRING THIS ITEM FORWARD, MAKES IT SOUND SERIOUS, MAKES IT FEEL SERIOUS, MAKES IT FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THE CONSIDERATION AROUND THE ITEM.

I DON'T LIKE, UM, THE THOUGHT OF US, JUST ALL BEING ABLE TO WILLY NILLY BRING THINGS FORWARD, EVEN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, A WINK AND A NOD AGREEMENT TO, TO DO OUR BEST, TO BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER'S TIME.

AND THAT OF THE STAFF AND OUR CONSTITUENTS CAN GET LOST.

UM, YOU KNOW, OUR JOBS IS, ARE RATHER, UH, DEEPLY EMBEDDED AND US DOING WHAT, YOU KNOW, BY WAY OF DISCRETION, WHAT WE THINK IS THE BEST THING TO DO.

SO IF SOMETHING SHOULD OCCUR TO YOU AFTER THAT DEADLINE, BUT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE THAT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND YOUR IDEAS TO BRING THAT THING FORWARD.

YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THAT THING FORWARD.

NOBODY'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP ANY OF US FROM DOING WHAT WE THINK IS THE BEST THING TO DO FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO BY WAY OF PROTOCOL, I WOULD LIKE FOR THERE TO BE LESS LOOSEY GOOSEY EXPECTATION, I WANT IT TO BE BURNED BY X DAY.

YOU GET TO DO THIS THING.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALL GUILTY OF DOING THE THING THAT MAKES IT LESS, UM, CLEAN.

UM, BUT, BUT MY, MY, MY ASK WOULD BE THAT WE MAKE IT AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE AND HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE SUPPORT THE ITEM BEFORE WE BRING IT BEFORE THE BODY AND STAFF FOR CONSIDERATION AS POSSIBLE.

AND I WOULD ASK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER COLLEAGUES, UM, WHO HAVE A SIMILAR ASK OR SERIES OF CONCERNS, PLEASE VOICE HIM NOW.

UM, I'M NOT THAT I MIGHT BE AN OUT HERE ON AN ISLAND ALL ALONE, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M IN.

MINUTE AMENDMENTS THAT FOUR PEOPLE HAVE HAD THEIR EYES ON IT.

COLLEAGUES, UM, PAGE, I THINK IN YEARS PAST WE USED TO HAVE TO HAVE THREE CO-SPONSORS TO GET THE AMENDMENTS AND THE WRITERS EVEN BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

SO I FEEL LIKE HAVING NO THRESHOLD KIND OF TAKES US THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THREE.

I COULD ALSO BE COMFORTABLE WITH FOUR.

UM, THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE INCENTIVE OF GETTING THEM OUT THE DOOR EARLIER IS THAT YOU ONLY NEED THREE CO-SPONSORS AND THE LATER IT GETS, THE MORE VETTING NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEHIND THE SCENES.

SO THAT WE KNOW BY THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING THOSE LAST

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AND THAT'S, TO ME, KIND OF THE INCENTIVE OF TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THINK OF THINGS EARLY SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE PROPER VETTING.

UM, I WILL ALSO SAY THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN USE THE MESSAGE BOARD WOULD BE REALLY ADVANTAGEOUS.

I KNOW WHEN WE'RE DOING THINGS HYBRID AND THERE'S FOLKS WHO ARE REMOTE AND THERE'S PAPERS COMING OUT LAST MINUTE, AND YOU KNOW, THE DIALOGUE IS MOVING, THAT IT GETS REALLY DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'RE HAVING IT STOP THE SHIP AND SAY, I DON'T HAVE IT.

I CAN'T READ IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT CAUSES A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THE PUBLIC TOO.

SO I JUST WANT TO REEMPHASIZE USING THE MESSAGE BOARD, WRITING THINGS DOWN AND POSTING THEM AS GOOD.

AND I DO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF HAVING A FIRST DEADLINE TRUNK SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE THE CONVERSATION'S GOING TO START.

UM, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY LAST YEAR, I THINK WE GOT THROUGH THE ENTIRE FIRST DAY AND WE'RE BASICALLY JUST OUTLINING WHAT IS ALL ON THE TABLE AND WHAT ORDER WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM IN.

AND WHAT'S IN WHAT'S OUT.

AND THEN WE REALLY GOT TO WORK THE SECOND DAY.

AND SO I REALLY WANT TO BE MORE EXPEDITIOUS IN THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE TIME TO REHASH OUR PROCESSES, HOW ELSE DO OTHERS FEEL ABOUT HAVING, UH, TWO, THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE HAVE TO SIGN ON TO AN AMENDMENT OR A DIRECTION BEFORE IT CAN BE CONSIDERED BY THE BODY? AND, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I REALLY DON'T SUPPORT THAT AND WE'VE NOT DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

YOU WILL NOT REQUIRE IT.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD REQUIRE THREE IN PREVIOUS YEARS NOW AS A PRACTICE, A LOT OF US HAVE DONE THAT, BUT IT WASN'T REQUIRED.

AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS, YOU KNOW, DOING THE BUDGET IS LIKE ONE OF THE BIGGEST RESPONSIBILITIES I HAVE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND SO I DON'T WANT TO SET BARRIERS OR LIMITATIONS OR PUT BOXES AROUND, UH, THAT RESPONSIBILITY.

SO I, I, I WOULD RATHER JUST TRUST MY COLLEAGUES TO TRY TO MEET THIS DEADLINE AND DO THE BEST THEY CAN, BUT I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN, IN PUTTING BARRIERS OR REQUIREMENTS AROUND PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY SINCE THERE IS A CERTAIN FLUIDITY THAT IS NECESSARY WHEN WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

SO, UM, WHAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE DOING IS IF WE'RE REQUIRED TO GET FOUR, WOULD JUST BE PUTTING OUR NAMES ON.

SO THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED, IT'S NOT AN INDICATION OF WHETHER WE'LL VOTE FOR IT IN THE END, BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING TOGETHER IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO US WITH THE BUDGET.

SO I JUST THINK THAT ADDS AN EXTRA PART TO THE PROCESS THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.

SO I BELIEVE LAST YEAR I HAD, UM, FOUR CO-SPONSORS ON PRETTY MUCH ALMOST ALL OF MY AMENDMENTS.

UM, AND, AND I TRY AND DO THAT.

AND I THINK THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT PRECLUDES US FROM THAT.

AND PERHAPS WE ASK PEOPLE TO INCLUDE A LINE FOR CO-SPONSORS AND IF THEY HAVE FOUR CO-SPONSORS, THEN WE WILL KNOW THAT THAT PERHAPS MEANS A LITTLE BIT, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE SUPPORT, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO GET IT TO BE, UM, TO BE DISCUSSED.

I THINK IT DOES MEAN SOMETHING, WHICH IS WHY I'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST.

UM, I'M CONCERNED THIS YEAR ABOUT THE, WHAT FEELS TO ME LIKE A MORE CONCENTRATED, UM, SCHEDULE ABOUT HOW THINGS, UM, HAVE THINGS PLAY OUT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON THE DIETS.

AND, AND I WOULD ASK STAFF THAT FOR NEXT YEAR, WHEN WE DO THE CALENDAR, THAT WE DON'T MAKE OUR ONLY WORK SESSIONS JUST THE WEEK BEFORE BUDGET, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S A REALLY SOLID WAY.

UM, FORWARD COUNSELOR.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US? I'M SORRY.

AMEND THE BUDGET IN A WAY THAT WOULD IMPACT WHAT YOU'VE COMMITTED TO TAX, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU ADOPT THE BUDGET, YOU VERIFY THAT IT WILL NEED MORE TAXES THAN THE PRIOR YEAR, AND THEN YOU ADOPT THE TAX RATE.

MAYOR LEILA FIRESIDE FOR THE LAW DEPARTMENT, I JUST WANTED IN REGARDS TO CONSIDERING BUDGET WRITERS AFTER BUDGET ADOPTION, THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE.

AND SO THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT PROCESS.

AND SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU.

AND I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE ANY OF YOU WHO HAVE IDEAS FEEL FREE TO NOT ONLY BRING THEM TO THE BUDGET OFFICE, BUT ALSO REACH OUT TO US FEES, TAXES, WHATEVER YOUR CONCEPTS ARE PLEASED.

THE MORE TIME WE HAVE TO RESEARCH THEM AND GIVE YOU THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK TO GO FORWARD, THEN THE BETTER ADVICE CAN BE TO YOU.

WHAT ARE THE SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SOMEONE WANTING TO ADD AN ESSENCE OF BUDGET DIRECTION TO THE BUDGET THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED TWO WEEKS EARLIER? UM, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS AMENDING THE BUDGET AND UNDER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, ONCE YOU ADOPT THE BUDGET, YOU HAVE TO SPEND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BUDGET, UNLESS THERE IS A CITY EMERGENCY, OR UNLESS THERE IS A MUNICIPAL PURPOSE AND YOU CAN'T

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SO YOU HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE, THE MONEY THAT YOU'RE BRINGING IN, AND THEN THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK FOR WHATEVER IT IS.

IT BASICALLY IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

SO I ASSUME THE SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE SPENDING LEVELS OR LIMITS, YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE SPAN.

SO THE RATE DOESN'T CHANGE, THE REVENUE DOESN'T CHANGE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING, GET THE BUDGET.

WE SAID, SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON, ON THIS EFFORT.

AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO FURTHER DESCRIBE WHAT WE MEANT WHEN WE SAID ON THIS EFFORT, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE GREATER SPECIFICITY, ARE THERE SPECIAL RULES FOR THAT, OTHER THAN JUST A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL VOTING TO PROVIDE GREATER SPECIFICITY, UM, ONLY PROCUREMENT RULES.

SO IF YOU GET TOO SPECIFIC, AS FAR AS COUNCIL, OR AS FAR AS COUNCIL SAYING TO THE STAFF, WE WANT YOU TO SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS ON AN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS ON HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.

AND IF YOU COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO GO TO THESE SPECIFIC ENTITIES AND NOT GO THROUGH PROCUREMENT THAT YOU ALL, AS A BODY HAVE SET UP, YOU JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, OR LET'S SAY YOU WANTED, UM, A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF ENERGY, EFFICIENT VEHICLES.

YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY SPECIFY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE VEHICLES IN YOUR NEXT DIRECTION WITHIN THAT KIND OF CONFINES.

IT'S VERY, BUT OTHERWISE IT WOULD JUST BE A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL TAKING ACTION.

SORRY TO TAKE US OFF TRACK THE QUESTION THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER, MADISON, UH, HAS ASKED FOR A DISCUSSION ON IS WHETHER OR NOT, UH THERE'S UM, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, CAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS HERE, BUT WHETHER THERE'S A GENERAL WILL TO HAVE TWO, THREE OR FOUR, UM, SPONSORS BEFORE SOMETHING CAN BE, UH, CONSIDERED EITHER AMENDMENT OR A DIRECTION THAT WAS PROBABLY VELA.

I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN, UH, THIS IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF AN AMENDMENT THAN, YOU KNOW, AN IFC, UH, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WOULD BE LEAVING THE PROCESS THE SAME AS IT HAS BEEN IN PRIOR YEARS.

I WOULD GENERALLY SUPPORT LEAVING THE PROCESS THE SAME AS IT HAS BEEN IN PRIOR YEARS.

I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS MY FIRST BUDGET.

I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE, BUT MY SENSE WOULD BE TO KIND OF KEEP THE SAME, UNLESS THERE'S A COMPELLING NEED TO CHANGE IT.

AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, HEARING I GUESS, A COMPELLING, OKAY, VANESSA.

YES, I AGREE.

I MEAN, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE BUDGET IS THE IFC AND SO WE'RE OFFERING AMENDMENTS TO IT.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT WE WOULD HAVE A REQUIREMENT ALSO, YOU KNOW, FOR COMMUNITIES LIKE MINE, HAVING THIS TO ME, HAVING THE REQUIREMENT OF OF FOUR CO-SPONSORS IS JUST ANOTHER INSTITUTIONAL BARRIER TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

AND SO I WOULD PREFER NOT TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE AND TO BE ABLE TO OFFER AMENDMENTS AS NEEDED.

AND I MEAN, AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR PRETEND LAST YEAR, I DID MAKE IT A POINT TO AT LEAST HAVE ONE CO-SPONSOR ON ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT I OFFERED.

SO I THINK, AGAIN, MY READ OF THE GENERAL WILL OF THE DAY AS IS TO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT FOR CO-SPONSORS.

UH, BUT I THINK THE MAYOR PRO TEM HIS POINT IS REALLY GOOD.

I MEAN, LET'S INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE SPONSORS, UH, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE PROBATIVE.

IF YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR SPONSORS, UH, ON SOMETHING THAT MEANS EVERYONE'S GOING TO SEE THAT OTHER OFFICES HAVE SEEN IT AND LOOKED AT IT AND APPROVE IT FOR ME, AT LEAST THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE MORE WEIGHT THAN SOMETHING THAT'S COMING AS AN AMENDMENT WITHOUT ANY OTHER SPONSORS, OR AT LEAST IT'LL TELL ME THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT, I'M NOT CONTROLLING, BUT IT WILL BE PROBATIVE OF, OF THAT ISSUE.

SO I GUESS I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WHO SPOKE, INDICATED THAT THEY WANTED A SYSTEM WITHOUT CO-SPONSORS.

NOW WE'RE SETTING AN EXPECTATION THAT IF YOU WANT TO DEMONSTRATE SUPPORT, YOU'LL HAVE CO-SPONSORS.

SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO THIS SITUATION THAT I DESCRIBED EARLIER, WHERE WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE IN THOSE LAST DAYS OF BUDGET, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE SURE JUST AS A MATTER OF, UM, THE PROCESS SHOWING THAT THERE ARE CO-SPONSORS.

I JUST, IT IT'S, I GUESS I'LL SAY HERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT, UM, AND IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND LESS ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO, TO GET CO-SPONSORS ON A BUDGET

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RIDER.

I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME THAT ANY OF US HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE BIG ISSUES AND, AND SOME OF THE BUDGET WRITERS ARE REALLY SMALL ISSUES.

AND SO WE'RE JUST SIMPLY NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE.

UM, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PROBATIVE FOR ME.

UM, I DID ALSO WANT TO JUST ASK STAFF THE QUESTION AND LOOKING THROUGH THAT LIST OF UNFUNDED ITEMS. I ALSO NOTICED A FEW THAT WERE NOT ON THEIR HALO.

CAMERA'S AMONG THEM.

I THINK HALO CAMERA'S MAYBE BEING FUNDED THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 22, AND THAT MAY BE WHY IT'S NOT ON THE LIST, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL MY COLLEAGUES TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE BROUGHT FORWARD AND CHECK THAT LIST BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME GAPS, BUT I, I JUST NEED TO KNOW, I THINK GOING INTO TOMORROW'S WORK SESSION, WHAT UNDER, UNDER, WHAT WAS THE PHRASE, UM, AND THAT YOU MENTIONED UNDER DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'VE THIS IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

I ASSUMED A COUPLE OF MINE, UM, ARE NOTED AS UNDER DEVELOPMENT.

I'M ASSUMING THAT MEANS THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUDGET, THEY'RE NOT FUNDED IN THE BUDGET, BUT I WANTED TO VERIFY THAT WITH CARRIE AS WE GO INTO TOMORROW'S WORK SESSION.

CAUSE I, IF THAT IS THE CASE, I DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHY SOME ELEMENTS WERE FUNDED AND SOME ARE, ARE NOT FUNDED.

COUNCIL MEMBER, OTHER DEVELOPMENT MEANS THAT THERE, THOSE ITEMS WERE NOT FUNDED IN BUDGET OR NOT ARE STILL BEING REVIEWED OR RESEARCHED FOR FUNDING OPTIONS.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

CAUSE WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS, SOME IMPORTANT THINGS THAT ARE NOTED AS UNDER DEVELOPMENT, THAT THAT MEANS THEY WON'T GO FORWARD WITHOUT OUR IDENTIFYING FUNDING AND LEILA IN YOUR DESCRIPTION ABOUT WHAT IN ANSWER TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION, YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT PROCUREMENT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THE SAME IS TRUE.

WHETHER WE TALK ABOUT THOSE ISSUES PRIOR TO BUDGET APPROVAL OR AFTER BUDGET APPROVAL, RIGHT.

WE STILL CAN'T.

WE STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

BUT HE HAD ASKED SPECIFICALLY WHETHER THERE WAS ANY PARTICULAR FRAMEWORK FOR THINGS THAT WERE BEING CONSIDERED AFTERWARDS.

AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT DOESN'T GO AWAY.

GOTCHA.

BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T URGE.

I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME SET OF RULES.

WHETHER WE DO IT PRIOR TO APPROVING THE BUDGET OR AFTER APPROVING THE BUDGET WITH THERE STILL HAS TO BE A MUNICIPAL PURPOSE.

WE STILL CAN'T IDENTIFY PEOPLE IN VIOLATION OF OUR PROCUREMENT POLICY.

AND THERE ARE NO NEW THRESHOLDS.

UM, I MEAN, I THINK THERE IS COUNCIL DIRECTION THAT SAYS WE CAN'T, WE SHOULDN'T CONSIDER A BUDGET AMENDMENT ABSENT, A, YOU KNOW, UH, EMERGING NEW, THERE, THERE IS SOME BUDGET LANGUAGE, UM, ABOUT WHAT THE THRESHOLD IS FOR BUDGET DIRECTION.

BUT I THINK GIVEN, I MEAN, IF WE ALL AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AFTER BUDGET, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S OUR AGREEMENT.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO MEET THE SAME THRESHOLD THAT IT WOULD BE FOR A MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT.

I THINK THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS NOW.

SO, OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY NO NEW, THERE ARE NO NEW ROLES, NO NEW THRESHOLDS, WHETHER OR NOT WE TAKE THE BUDGET DIRECTION UP BEFORE OR AFTER.

IT'S JUST ONCE YOU'VE ADOPTED THE BUDGET, IT IS BASICALLY A BUDGET AMENDMENT, UNLESS IT'S, AS YOU SAID, POLICY DIRECTION WITHOUT CHANGING THE DOLLARS, WHICH IS ALL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BECAUSE IT'S A DIRECTION TO H TO A CHANGE IN DOLLARS SPAN PROBABLY.

BUT THAT'S THE UNIVERSE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING, SPENDING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE BUDGET ADOPTION.

THIS IS JUST A POLICY DIRECTION OR HOW TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS OR SOMETHING RELATED TO THE SPEND OF THOSE DOLLARS.

AND I CAN'T THINK OF A SITUATION WHERE THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM, BUT OF COURSE, PLEASE DO FEEL FREE IF YOU HAVE THOSE IDEAS, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT AS FULLY FLESHED OUT AS YOU WOULD LIKE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THEM READY BY BUDGET, PLEASE.

IF THERE ANY KIND OF LEGAL FRAMEWORK ISSUES THAT WE CAN HELP YOU WITH DO REACH OUT TO US.

YES, MARY, JUST TO CONFIRM, SO ON THE, UH, BUDGET WORK SESSIONS, DO YOU WANT US TO PUT AN ITEM ON FOR JUST GENERAL BUDGET? I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD SO THAT THE COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER, IF THAT OPPORTUNITY ARISES.

A WILL TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN, UH, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO FILE BY THE POST, BY THE 12TH AND, AND THE PEOPLE WHO THOSE THINGS THAT ARE FILED BY THE 12TH WILL BE THE THINGS WE CONSIDER FIRST OR POSTING THEM TO THE MESSAGE BOARD.

UM, SO I THINK THERE'S NOT

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WE'RE SENDING THEM TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

WE'RE ASKING, UH, STAFF AND, AND BUDGET STAFF, LEGAL BUDGET STAFF TO GET BACK TO US AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN ON THOSE THINGS.

AND EVERYBODY GETS TO INDIVIDUALLY DECIDE

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THE PROBATIVE WEIGHT OF ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS EXERCISE.

WAS SUFFICIENT TIME FOR COUNCIL TO ACT, UH, TO PLACE A 300 MILLION CAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS FILED.

THANK YOU, COLLEAGUES.

LET'S GO THROUGH SOME OF THE, UH, POOLED, UH, ITEMS, THE FIRST, UH, POLLED, UH, ITEM THAT WE HAVE, UH, IS THE CONSIDERATION, UH, THIS WEEK, UH, OF THE, UM, UH, POTENTIAL.

UM, IS THERE A RESOLUTION ASKING STAFF TO COME BACK WITH, UM, AN ORDINANCE, UH, SETTING A BOND ELECTION IN NOVEMBER FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, UM, A PRETTY WIDE AND BROAD AND DEEP COALITION OF THE COMMUNITY HAS APPROACHED US, UH, ASKING US TO DO, UH, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL TOOLS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

WHAT IS A HUGE ED, PERHAPS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CRISIS WE HAVE IN THE CITY, UH, WHICH IS A HOUSING THAT'S AFFORDABLE.

UH, AND THIS REACHES TO THAT PART OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT'S MOST DIFFICULT TO, TO MEET THE CHALLENGE.

UH, IT IS A RESOLUTION THAT IS POSTED AT, UH, 300.

UH, WE HAD BEEN ASKED BY THE, THOSE GROUPS TO DO AT LEAST, UH, 300.

UH, I THINK THE INTENT NOW IS TO, UM, UH, UH, AMANDA, THAT RESOLUTION WHEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL ON THURSDAY TO SET IT AT $350,000, UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 300 AND $350,000 IS ABOUT 50 CENTS A MONTH TO THE, UM, IS ABOUT 50 CENTS.

YEAH, 350 300 MILLION.

THE DIFFERENCE I GOT YOU, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 300 MILLION AND 350 MILLION IS OBVIOUSLY 50 MILLION THAT THE IMPACT TO THE, UH, UH, AVERAGE, UH, HOMEOWNER TAXPAYER, UH, IS ABOUT 50 CENTS A MONTH.

IT'S, UH, BETWEEN THREE AND $4, UH, IS THE, UH, THIS, THE, UH, THE IMPACT.

UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE EVERYBODY A HEADS UP ON THAT CONSIDERATION.

STAFF HAD GIVEN US NUMBERS ON THE TAX IMPACT AT 300 MILLION.

WE HAD ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE US THE SAME INFORMATION AT THREE 50.

THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR HAVING DONE THAT.

THEY ALSO GAVE US THE STAFF THE IMPACT OF 400, UM, UM, UH, MILLION, UH, AT, UH, UH, 400 MILLION.

UH, WE GET UP TO SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A DOLLAR A MONTH INCREASE.

UH, BUT AGAIN, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO CONSIDER $350 MILLION ON THURSDAY.

THAT WAS HURTFUL.

I'M A CO-SPONSOR ON THIS ITEM.

AND, UM, A LOT OF, OF WHY I'M, UM, REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS EFFORT GOES TO OUR INTEREST IN ENSURING THAT HOMES THAT MAY BE IN NEED OF REPAIRS AND, UM, UH, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS, UM, SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE DEMOLISHED AND BE REPLACED BY LIKE CLASS A RIGHT, UM, BUILDINGS, UH, IS TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES.

AND THAT IS A THREAD OF, OF OUR POLICYMAKING, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

AND I THINK THIS IS A REAL DISTINCT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SPECIFICALLY TARGET THE HOME REPAIRS, KEEPING PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES AND, AND HELPING PEOPLE FIGURE OUT WAYS WHERE THEY CAN MANAGE TO STAY IN AUSTIN.

AND SO THAT WE DON'T INADVERTENTLY, UM, RUN THEM OUT OF TOWN BECAUSE OF THE INCREASES IN THE COST OF LIVING HERE, MAYOR, YOU HAVE THAT, UM, UH, UH, RESOLUTION PROBABLY OPEN IN FRONT OF YOU ON WHICH, WHICH LINES HAS THE INFORMATION ON THE SPECIFIC, UH, TARGETS, WHICH IS THE REPAIRS AND THE PRESERVATION OF EXISTING HOMES.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO READ THAT OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE.

I THINK, OF THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROPOSAL TO HELP FOLKS STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

I, ON PAGE TWO OF THREE, UH, LINE 43, UH, SAYS, UM, IN ABOUT AS SIMPLE LANGUAGE AS A CAN CAUSE IT'S LISTED IN BULLET POINTS, IT SAYS HOME REPAIR, UM, THAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS DIRECTED TO COORDINATE WITH THE CLERK TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE

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AFFORDABLE HOUSING GENERAL OBLIGATION PROPOSITION ON NOVEMBER TO FUND HOUSING PRIORITIES, SUCH AS FIRST BULLET POINT LOW-INCOME HOUSING OWNERSHIP, HOME REPAIR, SECOND BULLET POINT THIRD BULLET POINT IS PRESERVATION OF EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO THAT ALSO COVERS AN AREA THAT YOU HAVE FOR A LONG TIME, UH, LED ON AND CHAMPIONED LOW INCOME RENTAL HOUSING, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

AND THE LAST BULLET POINT LAND ACQUISITION ARE BOTH VACANCY AND IMPROVED PROPERTY.

THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE PART AND PARCEL OF THE 2018, UM, UH, BOND PROPOSALS.

SO WE'VE LISTED THEM.

UM, THE DECISION WAS MADE AFTER A LOT OF DISCUSSION, NOT TO SPECIFICALLY, UH, UH, BUDGET BY CATEGORY, UH, SO THAT IT CAN BE MORE NIMBLE THAN THAT AND REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE PRESENTED, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE EACH OF THE AREAS, UH, THAT, UH, WERE COVERED IN THE 2018 BOND BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL, SO SUCCESSFUL THAT ALMOST ALL THE MONEY IS GONE, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO DO THIS AGAIN.

THANKS FOR READING THAT OUT FOR EVERYBODY.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I AM SO SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ADDITIONAL EFFORT AND, AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO MOVE THAT FIGURE UP TO THREE 50.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

FIRST.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR STRONG LEADERSHIP ON HOUSING AND FOR BRINGING THIS ITEM FORWARD.

CERTAINLY OUR COMMUNITY IS DEMANDING FOR US TO DO MORE ON AFFORDABILITY, AND THIS IS PART OF IT.

UH, THIS MORNING I WAS AT A MEETING WITH A CONSTITUENT WHO SHARED WITH ME THAT HER RENT IS GOING UP $300.

I HAVE ABOUT 40 FAMILIES AT THE CONGRESS MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY THAT ARE ACTIVELY BEING DISPLACED AND ARE WITHIN TWO MONTHS OF HAVING TO RELOCATE WITHIN AUSTIN.

IT IS VERY HARD RIGHT NOW TO IDENTIFY HOUSING OPTIONS.

UM, SO KNOWING HOW SUCCESSFUL THE 2018 BOND WAS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, CERTAINLY PRODUCE MANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, UM, HAS HELPED OUR SENIORS AND OUR MOST VULNERABLE STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

UM, THIS IS NEEDED AND CERTAINLY AT THE SCALE OF 350 MILLION.

SO I'M, I'M REALLY PROUD TO BE A CO-SPONSOR ON THIS ITEM.

AND, UM, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING OUR COMMUNITY LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS EFFORT AND, UM, AND WE'LL BE SUPPORTING IT MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

AND, UM, AS WELL AS MY COLLEAGUES, ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO'VE SUPPORTED, UM, ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE COALITION OF MANY GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK, UM, TO, UH, TO, UM, DEVELOP SUPPORT FOR THIS CONCEPT AND TO, UH, BRING IT TO US.

UM, I ALSO WILL SUPPORT THE 350, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER POOL THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HELP PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOMES, BUT I'M ALSO GLAD TO SEE THAT, UM, THAT ALL OF THE RANGE, ALL OF THE, UM, SUBJECT AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN PREVIOUS BONDS ARE INCLUDED HERE ALSO THEY'RE ALL PART AND PARCEL OF, UH, OF AN EFFORT THAT WORKS FOR ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, LIKE THE LAND ACQUISITION, FOR EXAMPLE.

UM, I ALSO WANT TO LET MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THAT I HAVE ASKED, UM, OUR STAFF TO PROVIDE US INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, UH, ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TAKING A LOOK AT OUR SENIOR TAX EXEMPTION AND THE POTENTIAL FOR, FOR RAISING THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WOULD, COULD BE HELPFUL TO THAT SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD, NOT ONLY WITH THIS BOND, BUT ALSO WITH, UM, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO WITH OUR BUDGET.

SO JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT, UM, AND AS SOON I KNOW THAT MR AND STAFF IS WORKING ON THAT AND SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR US, UH, SHORTLY.

AND, UM, I, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WITHIN OUR, OUR, UM, ABILITIES TO, TO, UM, TO RAISE THE SENIOR TAX EXEMPTION, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME LEVEL.

SO, BUT, UM, I THINK THIS IS, IS NEEDED.

IT ALSO HELPS SENIORS, YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, OUR BOND PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, THE HOME REPAIRS AS YOU KNOW, IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR SENIORS TO HELP THEM STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS AND I WOULD SUPPORT IT GOING TO THREE 50 IF THAT'S WHAT, UM, MY COLLEAGUES OR AMENABLE TO.

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OF SEEING NOT JUST THE CITY, BUT ALSO AISD AND OTHER ENTITIES BUILD ON THEIR OWN UNDERUTILIZED LAND AND CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ANYTHING ELSE? VERY PRO TIME? UM, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO INDICATE, UM, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY WE'VE SPENT MOST OF THE BOND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM 2018 AND, AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING TO MAKE THE GAP BETWEEN NOW AND 2024 WHEN WE SHOULD BE DOING A BOND.

UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT I'M GOING TO BE ABSTAINING ON THIS ITEM BECAUSE MY TOWN HALL FOR MY BUDGET IS ON AUGUST 4TH.

UM, THIS WAS JUST PLACED ON OUR IFC AND WHILE THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS, THERE WAS NOTHING CONCRETE TO SHARE WITH MY CONSTITUENTS.

I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING IN SUPPORT OF IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITHOUT HAVING A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH AND, UM, COMMUNICATE WITH MY CONSTITUENTS ABOUT, UM, THIS POTENTIAL BOND ISSUE.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO.

AND SINCE THIS IS A TWO STEP PROCESS WHERE WE VOTE TO HAVE IT COME BACK TO US, AND THEN WE HAVE A VOTE ON WHETHER TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.

UM, AND I HAVE OPPORTUNITIES COMING UP IN MY DISTRICT.

I WANT TO DO THAT BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION ON THE MERITS.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE SPENT OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONDS WELL, UM, IN THE PAST.

UM, AND WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDS, UM, BUT THERE IS AN IMPACT ON THE TAXPAYER AT A TIME OF HIGH INFLATION.

AND, AND I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO JUDGE THAT, THAT IMPACT WITHOUT HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW, UH, WE'LL BE SUPPORTING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND.

UH, ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I KNOW ANECDOTALLY WHAT THE 2018 BOND MONEY WENT TO, BUT IT WOULD BE A GREAT, AND THERE MAY BE ONE OF THEM.

I MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT, BUT HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT OF WHAT THAT MONEY WENT TO BUILD SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND, UH, BECAUSE IT IS A DIFFUSE AMOUNT OF MONEY OR WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME GOING HERE AND SOME GOING THERE.

AND SO SOMETIMES THERE CAN BE SOME SKEPTICISM ABOUT ITS EFFECTIVENESS.

UH, I, A MORE KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF WHAT THAT MONEY WENT TO SO THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE FUNDING WHEN WE PASS THESE BONDS.

I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

THERE'S ALSO AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, THAT, UH, I THINK IT WAS DONE BY, UM, UH, HOUSING WORKS, UH, THAT SHOWED THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT.

NOT ONLY DO WE DO THIS, BUT THIS MONEY THEN DRAWS DOWN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF ADDITIONAL DOLLARS AND HAS A, UH, REALLY LARGE ECONOMIC POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

AND THAT INFORMATION SHOULD ALSO BE MADE AVAILABLE.

SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP.

I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU TO FOLLOW UP, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.

YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA A LOT.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER OF VILLA, DID YOU SAY ALL OF THE BONDS OR JUST THE LAST ONE? CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE IT FOR 20 2006.

UM, WHAT WAS THE NEXT ONE? 2013? I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT HOUSING UNITS THAT WE MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH, BUT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THAT'S CONNECTED TO, YOU KNOW, THE 2013, THE 2018 BOND OR, YOU KNOW, HOW IT GOT TO BE.

SO I JUST WANT FOLKS TO KNOW THAT THE HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING MONEY THAT WE PASS HERE IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF GETTING THESE, YOU KNOW, A FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES, PROJECTS SET UP THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS SET UP, WHICH I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF AND, AND GENERALLY VERY SUPPORTIVE OF.

YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE ALL OF THEM IN A LINEUP AND, YOU KNOW, IN PREPARATION FOR LAST WEEK'S KICKOFF, I, I DID SOME OF THAT AND KIND OF WENT.

AND SO SOME OF IT IS ON OUR CITY WEBSITE.

UM, AND SOME OF IT IS ON HOUSING WORKS AND OUR CITY STAFF HAS DONE SOME OF THE SAME ANALYSIS OF SAYING, I BELIEVE OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY SOME OF THE PROJECTS BROUGHT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK SOME OF THAT IS THE CITY WEBSITE, BUT JUST KIND OF AT LEAST, UM, HAVING A, MAYBE EVEN BEFORE THURSDAY, IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, JUST HAVING A LIST OF ALL THE PROJECTS AT A MINIMUM FOR ALL OF THE BONDS WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL AND THEN MAYBE WORKING IN THE WEEKS AHEAD TO GET THAT FULLER INFORMATION.

BUT I THINK A LOT OF IT, I THINK A LOT OF IT EXISTS, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE PULLED.

UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ITEMS, UM, AND I, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT IT'S THE SAME KIND OF PRIORITIES BEING OUTLINED HERE.

LOW-INCOME OWNERSHIP, HOME REPAIR PRESERVATION OF EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAND ACQUISITION.

WE'VE TALKED FOR A LONG WHILE AND ARE FINALLY STARTING TO BUILD ON SOME OF OUR PUBLICLY OWNED TRACKS, INCLUDING OUR CITY ON TRACKS.

IT IS CERTAINLY IT IS CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE.

AND, AND THE STAFF HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT OUR GENERAL BOND CAN BE ONE SOURCE OF FUNDING TO BUILD ON OUR, TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON OUR CITY ON TRACKS.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THAT OUT IN A SEPARATE BULLET SAYING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON PUBLICLY OWNED LAND.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE

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AND I'D LIKE, OF COURSE WE CAN USE AGAIN.

I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY WITHIN, WITHIN HOW THE PREVIOUS BONDS HAVE PASSED, USE THAT FUNDING FOR THAT PURPOSE, BUT I THINK CALLING IT OUT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER AS A ADDITION? I BRING IT AS AN AMENDMENT.

UM, LET ME TALK TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS, MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT SOMEBODY THERE THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S, I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING AND NEED TO BE CONSIDERING.

AND HAVE YOU USED IT? I'M PRETTY SURE WE'VE USED GENERAL, UM, BOND FUNDING TO, FOR SOME OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW, ACTUALLY, MAY I ASK THAT QUESTION OF DIRECTOR TRUE LOVE IF SHE KNOWS THE ANSWER, HAVE WE USED GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND FUNDING FOR, FOR, UM, I KNOW WE'VE USED IT TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES, HAVE WE USED IT TO HELP FUND SOME OF, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE LAST, THE KIND OF PARTNERSHIP TO PURCHASE THE HOUSES THROUGH HAKA? ARE WE USING GENERAL BOND FUNDING FOR, FOR THE REHAB OF THOSE LITTLE UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOTTERIED OFF? YES WE ARE.

SO WE CAN DO, I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE THE ABILITY AND WE'RE JUST STARTING WITH, UM, THE SERIES OF RFPS THAT WILL BUILD ON THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED WITH THE 2018 AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE, UM, STARTING ON THE AGENDA TOMORROW AS WORKING THROUGH, STARTING TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED, THAT'S GREAT.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO USE FOR FUNDING TO, TO, UM, GET THOSE PROPERTIES BUILT OUT? ARE WE GOING TO USE BOND FUNDING FOR THAT AS WELL? IT, EACH, EACH ONE WILL LIKELY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BASED ON WHAT THE NEEDS ARE OF THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, BUT HAVING A STABLE SOURCE OF FUNDING THROUGH AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND HELPS TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT, THAT GAP FINDING SCENE THAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED ON MOST DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE SEE.

YOU, AND I THINK YOU SEE US DOING THAT IN THE, UH, UH, UH, RENTAL HOUSING, UH, DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THE OWNERS OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE FROM THAT IS THE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE WOULD BE USING FOR, UM, FOR FUNDING.

SO A PROPERTY MAY HAVE BEEN BOUGHT WITH THE LAND ACQUISITION, UM, BUCKET FROM THE 2018 BONDS.

AND THEN AS WE MOVE INTO DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL BE TAPPING INTO EITHER THE RENTAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE OR THE OWNERSHIP, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE POCKETS FOR THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THAT HOUSING.

SO I THINK IT'S COVERED IN THE FIRST.

YEAH, I MEAN, SO I THINK IT'S COVERED IN THAT FIRST BULLET AND IT'S COVERED IN THE LOW-INCOME RENTAL HOUSING BULLET.

UM, I JUST THINK IT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO CALL IT OUT SO TO WORK ON THAT TOGETHER, GET THAT IN.

YES, MARY PRETENDING, UM, SINCE YOU'RE WORKING WITH A COALITION AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESOLUTION IS REFLECTING, THAT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER, UM, ADDING THE FOLLOWING KINDS OF, UM, AMENDMENTS ONE WOULD BE A WHEREAS CLAUSE THAT INDICATES HOW MUCH OF THE 2018 BOND HAS BEEN SPENT SO THAT WE KNOW HOW MUCH IS, HOW MUCH IS LEFT ON THAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER WOULD BE, UM, UH, BE IT RESOLVED THAT MAKES SURE WE GET UPDATED DATA FOR $350 MILLION BOND IN TERMS OF THE FISCAL IMPLICATIONS FOR THE TAXPAYER ALONG THE LINES OF THE MEMO THAT WE RECEIVED FOR THE 300 MILLION, WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, UM, TO BE CONSIDERED AT THAT TIME.

AND, AND I WILL JUST ASK THAT YOU PLEASE INCORPORATE IT AS YOU SEE APPROPRIATE AS A, AS A, BE IT RESOLVED OR AS DIRECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, SO THAT I CAN BE RESPECTFUL OF THE COALITION THAT WE GET THAT INFORMATION BACK.

SO THAT WE GET THE UPDATED.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE NOT ONLY HAVE WHAT THE INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN AND WHAT THE SUCCESSES ARE, BUT ALSO WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS MIGHT BE FOR THE TAXPAYERS.

SO THAT GOING INTO PUTTING THIS ON A BALLOT THAT, THAT IS TRANSPARENT FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.

AND THAT SOUNDS GOOD IF THERE'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE MEMO THAT JUST CAME OUT FROM STAFF, AND IF THERE'S HOLES IN THAT WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING ALERTING, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE THAT AS WELL.

I THINK THE MEMO IS JUST FOR THE 300 MILLION.

AND SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE, THEY JUST UPDATED WITH BOTH THREE 50 AND 400, BUT, BUT IT'S JUST COME OUT.

UM, MUSIC VENUE, DESIGNATION, LIVE MUSIC VENUE DESIGNATION.

THAT IF I, IF THAT'S ALREADY THERE, I WOULD JUST ASK THEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, DELIVERED BACK WHEN THE OTHER COMES TO US AS WELL.

I HADN'T, I HADN'T SEEN THAT ONE.

ANYTHING BEFORE WE MOVE ON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON THIS.

YOU PULLED, I THINK THE NEXT, UH, WHICH WAS THE, UM,

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I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE SPONSORS TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS DOES.

SO THEN I MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING AND THAT STAFF UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS SETS OUT TO DO.

UM, CAUSE IT'S, THERE'S PARTS OF IT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND THERE ARE PARTS OF IT THAT WE HAVEN'T.

AND SO I WANTED TO INVITE YOU TO SPEAK TO THE, TO SPEAK TO THE RESOLUTION AND WHAT YOU SEE IT ACCOMPLISHING AND THE MECHANISMS. OKAY.

AND LET ME QUICKLY CORRECT SOMETHING.

I SAID, IT'S THE SECOND GUY SAID THAT THE MEMO HAD BEEN UPDATED.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

IT WAS ANSWERED IN THE Q AND A, WHICH IS WHY IT WOULD BE EASY TO MISS.

SO THE INFORMATION ZAP, AND LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S OUT IN A FORM THAT, THAT MORE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO, TO SEE AN ANSWER TO YOUR LAST QUESTION.

UM, THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER 94, WHICH IS A LIVE MUSIC VENUE THAT DESIGNATION DEFINES, OR WHAT A, WHAT A LIVE MUSIC VENUE IS.

THIS WAS THE, THE, THE MAIN INTEREST OF, UH, THE LIVE MUSIC, UH, FOLKS, UH, AS PART OF, UH, THE EARLIER, UH, CODE, UH, UH, REVIEW PROCESSES WE WERE IN.

AND THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DEFINE A LIVE MUSIC VENUE BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THEY FELT THAT, AND I BELIEVE IS TRUE THAT THE CITY WANTS TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT, UH, AND, AND, AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, HAVE, HAVE THOSE PLACES IN OUR CITY, THE LIVE MUSIC CAPITAL OF THE WORLD, IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO DO.

UH, THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE MIGHT INSENT THOSE USES THE SAME WAY WE INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING USES AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE, UH, UH, DESIRED, UH, IN THE CITY.

UH, BUT IT'S A HARD THING TO DO WHEN THERE'S NOT A STATUTORY DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT USE IS.

SO YOU CAN CREATE A PLACE FOR A LIVE MUSIC, MUSIC VENUE, MOSTLY USING A COCKTAIL, UH, ZONING USE.

UH, BUT COCKTAIL ZONING USE, UH, IS BROADER THAN JUST A LIVE MUSIC VENUE.

UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME CONNOTATION THAT A LIVE MUSIC VENUE HAS.

UM, THIS, UH, RESOLUTION JUST CREATES THE DEFINITION AND IT ASKS STAFF TO COME BACK WITH TOOLS THAT MIGHT BE EMPLOYED THAT NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, COULD ADOPT, OR THIS COUNCIL COULD APPROVE, UH, TO, TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT, UH, OUR, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE OF LIVE MUSIC VENUES, UH, CONTINUES AND IS STRENGTHENED.

UM, SO I THINK MY QUESTION WAS LESS THAN THE DEFINITION AND MORE ON THE SECOND BIT RESOLVED AND THE INCENTIVES, AND AS I'M READING THIS HERE, ESTABLISHING THE DEFINITION, AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING WE ALSO WANT TO DO, UM, THESE INCENTIVES, BUT GO AHEAD AND PUT THE DEFINITION IN FIRST AND THEN WORK ON THE INCENTIVES, BUT I DIDN'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPTION OF THE INCENTIVES.

SO WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE, FOR EXAMPLE? UH, WELL, I THINK IT ASKS THE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH INCENTIVES.

UH, SO IT CREATES THE DEFINITION, UH, BUT THERE COULD BE INCENTIVES THAT COULD BE CREATED, UM, THE SAME WAY WE HAVE INCENTIVES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE SAME WAY WE HAVE AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DIFFERENT KINDS OF INCENTIVES.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT CENTERS FOR HER RENTAL ASSISTANCE, RENTAL UNITS AND OWNERSHIP UNITS, DIFFERENT KINDS OF ASSISTANCE FOR DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES.

AND I THINK THIS GIVES OUR STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE, UH, STAKEHOLDERS, UM, TO, TO COME UP WITH WAYS THAT, UH, THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR CITY COULD BEST BE PRESERVED AND, AND, AND, AND FLOURISHED, UH, BUT IT BEGINS WITH DEFINING IT.

SO WE'RE DEFINING IT AND THEN WE'RE ASKING THEM TO SEE IF THEY CAN DEVELOP INCENTIVES THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ENCOURAGE, UM, THE BUILDING OF THAT'S.

UM, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT FOR A WHILE AND WE'VE, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY BEEN DOING ONE-OFF KINDS OF, UM, CONVERSATIONS WITH DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, ASKING THEM TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER CREATIVE SPACE.

WE'VE DONE THAT AS PART OF PUDS, FOR EXAMPLE,

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AND OTHER THINGS.

SO I THINK THAT ASKING FOR SOMETHING MORE, MORE FORMAL PROGRAM IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS REALLY EXACTLY WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, IF YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO, UM, ADDING ANOTHER, BE IT RESOLVED THAT WOULD ASK STAFF TO CONSIDER A SEPARATE PROGRAM FOR CREATIVE SPACES AND BY CREATIVE SPACES, I'M THINKING OF OUR ARTS COMMUNITY, LIKE OUR, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, GALLERY SPACES AND WORKSPACES FOR, UM, FOR ARTISTS, UM, NOT INSTEAD OF LIVE MUSIC ALONGSIDE OF LIVE MUSIC.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT FUNDING THIS, IT'S SETTING UP A MECHANISM THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FOR DEVELOPERS TO CONSIDER THIS AS PART OF THE LAND CODE.

I WOULDN'T SEE THAT AS TAKING AWAY ANYTHING AND A LOT OF LIVE MUSIC VENUE ASPECT.

IT'S JUST ALSO OPERA CONSIDERING THE SAME KIND OF ARE SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE THE SAME KIND OF INCENTIVES, BUT A SIMILAR STRUCTURE FOR, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO AN AMENDMENT OR DO YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT OR TALK TO YOUR, I WOULD SAY LET'S, LET'S YOU AND I TALK ABOUT IT HERE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING, OKAY.

I'M NOT SURE YET EXACTLY HOW TO GET THAT.

UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME, UH, AND DISCUSSIONS WITH RESPECT TO LIVE MUSIC VENUES.

SO I KNOW THAT THEY'VE MOVED THAT BALL FORWARD.

I'VE HEARD SOME QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO, UH, UH, CREATIVE SPACES AND, AND REALLY HOW TO DEFINE THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THIS ONE UP.

SO, SO IF THIS ONE IS NOT THE RIGHT VEHICLE FOR IT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT LET'S, LET'S EXPLORE THAT ISSUE OVER THE NEXT TWO DAYS, BUT IF IT'S NOT, I WILL JOIN YOU AND SUPPORT YOU IN A SUBSEQUENT, UH, IFC, UH, THAT THAT MIGHT SOLVE THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.

I'M HAPPY TO BRING IT AS A SEPARATE RESOLUTION.

I, THE BACK WHEN WE WERE, GOSH, MAY OF 2019, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE PUTTING OUR CONCEPTS TOGETHER OF THE, THE CONCEPTS RELATED TO CREATIVE SPACES WAS INCLUDED IN THAT.

UM, AND THERE WERE ALSO RECOMMENDATIONS MADE AS PART OF THE WHOLE LDC PROCESS IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT RELATED TO CREATIVE SPACES.

SO I, I SEE THESE AS ANALOGOUS KINDS OF THINGS, SO THAT HAPPY TO BRING IT, UM, AS A SEPARATE RESOLUTION, IF THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.

SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? YES.

JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO-SPONSOR IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO WRITE.

IF THE CLERK COULD MAKE NOTE OF THAT, BUT THANK YOU.

READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY HAS PULLED THE, THE LICENSED COUNSELOR WENT, THIS HAS PULLED COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY'S ITEM ON LICENSE PLATE READER.

THAT WAS THIS I THINK YOU, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ITEM ITEM 1 0 3 IS POSTED FOR DISCUSSION ONLY THIS WEEK.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

WE HAD PLANNED ON BRINGING IT BACK DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSION AS A WRITER, AS A WRITER.

UM, WELL I HAVE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS.

AND I SUBMITTED THEM IN THE Q AND A IN STAFF DID SEND ME THIS MORNING, UM, RESPONSES, BUT I HAVE SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

I'M NOT SURE.

I COULD DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO THESE LICENSE PLATE READER RECORDS, THEY COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THIS DATABASE IF THEY WERE PART OF VIGILANT ON OUR PRIOR SYSTEM? YES.

UM, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS UNDERSTANDING WHERE ARE THE DATA FROM THE LICENSE PLATE READER WILL BE STORED? UM, I ASKED IF THIS DATABASE WE'LL HAVE, WILL BE ACCESSIBLE TO STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES AND THE RESPONSE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME.

UM, WELL, FIRST, I GUESS I'D LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT.

AND THEN I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, RAY ARIANO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OVER THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS.

WE SHOULD BE HAVING A CHIEF OF STAFF, ROBIN HENDERSON, AND THE ASSISTANT CHIEF, UH, UH, JASON STANISLAVSKI, ABLE TO, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE COMING ON NOW CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

IT WOULD YOU JUST REPEAT THAT ONE AS THEY'RE NOW COMING ON? SURE.

IS THE DATABASE THAT WOULD STORE THE RECORDS FROM THE LICENSE PLATE READER.

WOULD THAT BE ACCESSIBLE TO STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES? UM, I, I CAN ANSWER THIS AS A SYSTEM TO STAND CHESKY.

THE CURRENTLY ON OUR PAST CONTRACT, IT WAS THROUGH VIGILANT.

SO IF A, THE OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, WAS PART OF THE VIGILANT NETWORK WORDS, THEY CONTRACTED AND PAID FOR THE SERVICE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THE, UH, HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA.

SO IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE

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AND WHAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE PART OF VIGILANT? UH, THERE THERE'S A MULTIPLE, UM, SINCE WE STARTED IN 2016, UM, AND WITH THE CANCELLATION, I HAVEN'T KEPT UP WITH HOW MANY DEPARTMENTS IS, BUT WE AS APD, UM, CONTROL THE DATA.

SO IF THERE IS A CERTAIN AGENCY THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO HAVE THAT DATA, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE GIVE PERMISSION TO THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, THAT ARE REQUESTING THE DATA.

SO WE CAN, UH, WE HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S GATHERED, HOW LONG IT'S KEPT AND WHERE IT GOES.

SO, AND HAVING THAT COMPLETE CONTROL, THERE WOULD BE AN INSTANCE WHERE YOU WOULD RECEIVE A REQUEST FROM, FOR EXAMPLE, IMMIGRATION, CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, AND APD WOULD THEN HAVE THE OPTION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

AND IS IT SPECIFIC TO THAT RECORD OR WILL ICE HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE DATABASE CONTAINING RECORD INFORMATION? UH, OF COURSE I'M GOING BACK ON 2016 WHEN, UH, I WAS THE LIEUTENANT OVER THIS PRODUCT PROJECT.

UM, I THINK THAT THAT IS AN OPTION.

ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS THAT YOU JUST STATED ARE AN OPTION MOVING FORWARD AND COUNCIL MEMBER FONTEZ.

I WANT TO POINT YOU TO PAGE FOUR OF FIVE OF MY RESOLUTION LINE 68.

I BELIEVE I ADDRESSED THAT AS BEST I COULD, BASED ON PRIOR DISCUSSIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS HAD RELATED TO THIS PROGRAM.

UM, BULLET TWO SAYS DATA SHARING WILL ONLY OCCUR FOR INVESTIGATING AND OR PROSECUTING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY UNLESS THE CIRCUMSTANCE ARISES WHERE THE CITY IS REQUIRED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW TO SHARE THE INFORMATION AT THE REQUEST OF A STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCY FOR ANOTHER LAWFUL PURPOSE.

I WAS VERY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN IN THE PAST THAT WAS RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY.

AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ADDRESSED PROPERLY.

GOTCHA.

AND SEE THAT TO ME, THAT WHAT'S CONCERNING TO ME IS THAT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE DATABASE THAT WE'LL HAVE RECORDS BASED ON THE SCANS FROM THE LICENSE PLATE READERS.

UM, AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE CONTROL ON WHAT THEY WOULD DO WITH ONCE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THIS DATABASE.

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION, AND, AND TO, UM, GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE STATE OF ABORTION IN TEXAS, WE HAVE STATE LEADERS WHO HAVE ALREADY PUBLICLY COMMENTED THAT THEY WOULD BRING FORWARD LEGISLATION, UH, ALLOWING COUNTIES TO PROSECUTE, UH, ABORTION PROVIDERS OUTSIDE OF THEIR JURISDICTION.

AND SO THERE'S ANOTHER OPENING AND I HATE TO EVEN BRING THIS UP, BUT THAT IS A REAL THREAT.

IT'S A REAL RISK THAT WE FACE TO NOT KNOWING, UM, WHERE THE STATE WILL LAND ON, UM, PROSECUTING ABORTIONS, UH, BOTH ABORTION PROVIDERS AND OF COURSE, WHAT THAT DOES TO ABORTION SEEKERS.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

THE QUESTION, ANOTHER QUESTION I ASKED WAS ABOUT IF THERE WERE OTHER PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANIES THAT SCAN LICENSE PLATES IN TRAVIS COUNTY, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE IS A PATHWAY HERE FOR WHEN THERE ARE INSTANCES, UH, OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, COULD APD CONTRACT OUT WITH ANOTHER VENDOR WHO HAS THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, UH, TO HELP IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE.

SO RATHER THAN HAVING OUR ENTIRE FLEET, UM, EQUIPPED WITH LICENSE PLATE READER, COULD WE CONTRACT OUT WITH A PRIVATELY-OWNED COMPANY THAT COULD PROVIDE THIS IN FOR THE SITUATION THAT IS OCCURRING? OH, YOU'RE MUTED.

I KNOW REAL QUICK COUNCIL MEMBER FONTEZ.

UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY ON IT.

THE ACTUAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT WOULD BE FOR THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE TO BE ABLE TO SCAN THE LICENSE PLATES AND HAVE THE INFORMATION COME BACK QUICKLY.

UM, IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FUNDING IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET AND SIGN.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A CONCERN OF SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE RAISING THE BUDGET OF APD, BUT WE ARE ALLOCATING THE FUNDING FOR THIS PURCHASE PURPOSE, WHICH IS ALREADY EXISTING.

UM, SO IT'S JUST FOR THE SUBSCRIPTION TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THE VEHICLES.

AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE ARE TWO TRAILERS THAT WE ALSO HAVE AT APD THAT ALLOW FOR THE STANDING OF, OF PLATES.

UH, IT SEEMS LIKE THE OFFICER WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE QUESTION ON WORKING WITH A PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANY ON LICENSE PLATE READING.

I BELIEVE THAT IT, WE WOULD END UP HAVING TO, UM, IDENTIFYING ALL THOSE DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND THEN TRY TO GET A CONTRACT THROUGH ALL THOSE COMPANIES.

UM, IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS INSTEAD OF GOING TO VIGILANT, THERE ARE PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT CONTRACT OUT WITH OTHER COMPANIES TO COLLECT LICENSED BY READERS ON THEIR OWN.

FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION,

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I DON'T THINK, UH, VERY MANY OF THEM WILL JUST BE WILLING JUST TO GIVE US THE DATA WITHOUT HAVING, UM, SOMETHING GOING THEIR WAY.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS? SO THERE IS.

SO THERE IS A POTENTIAL WHERE WE COULD WORK WITH A PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANY TO, FOR THAT SURVEILLANCE SERVICE, DEPENDING THAT IS SPECIFIC TO A SITUATION.

SO IF THERE IS A SUSPECT AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MONITOR THEIR ACTIVITY WHEN THEY ENTER THE COUNTY OR THE CITY, UM, BUT YOU COULD TAILOR THEIR EQUIPMENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR.

CAUSE AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS THESE LICENSE PLATE READER HA STORING INFORMATION ON THIS DATABASE IS CLOUD THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES COULD ASK FOR ACCESS AND HAVE THE ENTIRE DATABASE, UM, AT THEIR DISPOSAL.

BY WAY OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OF THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH THE CHIEF THIS WEEKEND.

DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT WHAT INDIVIDUAL PRIVATE COMPANIES DO AND DO NOT WITH THEIR DATA AND THE AVAILABILITY TO US.

UM, I THINK THERE'S JUST, THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS THERE TO GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE ANSWER.

AND THEN, UM, MY LAST QUESTION IS HOW MANY VEHICLES DO WE HAVE WITH APD THAT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE LICENSE PLATE READERS CURRENTLY BELIEVE WE HAVE AROUND 14 AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE, UH, THE TRAILERS AND HE EACH, UH, UH, CAR HAS MULTIPLE CAMERAS BECAUSE OF THE, THE ANGLE.

AND WHEN THEY COLLECT THE LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION, THANK YOU.

WHY ARE WE SAVING THE DATA THAT WE'RE COLLECTING? AND JUST TO THESE ARE JUST RANDOM VEHICLES THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE SWEEPING UP THEIR LOCATION AT RANDOM TIMES, THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE SUSPECTED OF ANY TYPE OF, OF CRIMINAL VIOLATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? I ASKED THAT QUESTION TO THE CHIEF THIS WEEKEND, UH, AND THE CHIEF SAID THAT, UM, FREQUENTLY, OR THIS USAGE OF THIS TOOL, UH, THEY WON'T KNOW WHICH AREAS OR WHICH PLACES THEY WANT TO USE THE TOOL UNTIL AFTER THERE'S BEEN A CRIME COMMITTED OR SOMETHING HAPPENS.

AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO THAT AREA AND SAY TO A, AN ANALYSIS OF THIS AREA DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

SO IT'S BEING SAVED SO THAT THEY CAN GO BACK WHEN, WHEN THE NEED HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.

SO, AND I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT.

THEN I CANNOT SUPPORT THE CREATION OF DATABASE THAT THEN CAN BE LATER FISHED THROUGH FOR POTENTIAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, UH, THAT HAS MAJOR CIVIL LIBERTIES IMPLICATIONS.

AND WE KNOW WE'VE SEEN IT WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY.

WE'VE SEEN IT JUST AMOUNT WITH EVERY, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR INTELLIGENCE AGENCY THAT HAS EVER COLLECTED THIS INFORMATION, THAT THE INFORMATION WILL THEN BE FISHED THROUGH FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

UH, I THINK ABOUT THE, UM, THE TELECOM COMPANIES AND THE LIABILITY BILL THAT WAS PASSED AT THE END OF THE GEORGE BUSH PRESIDENCY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE OBAMA PRESIDENCY, WHERE, YOU KNOW, NSA WAS ESSENTIALLY SWEEPING UP ALL OF THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFORMATION IN THE COUNTRY.

AND, UH, IT WAS REALLY SCANDALOUS WHAT FOLKS WERE DOING, YOU KNOW, FISHING THROUGH THE INFORMATION, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR LIKE THEIR GIRLFRIEND'S INFO, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, JUST CREATING THOSE KINDS OF DATABASES WHERE, OH, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TRACK.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VEHICLES GOING THROUGHOUT AUSTIN, FISHING UP ALL THE LICENSE PLATE READER INFORMATION, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT INTO A DATABASE THAT THEN WE'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH OTHER POLICE AGENCIES.

AND SO ANYBODY CAN JUST KIND OF BE LIKE, OKAY, WHERE'S THIS CAR BEEN OVER THE LAST, I, I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT.

UM, I CAN SUPPORT LIMITED USE IN A INVESTIGATION.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY, LET'S SAY DOWN ON SLAUGHTER, THERE'S BEEN REPORTS OF, YOU KNOW, A CAR AND THEY'VE GOT A LICENSE PLATE OR A PARTIAL LICENSE PLATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE TRAILER UP THERE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A SERIES OF ROBBERIES THAT HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO THIS CAR.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GETS A HIT, WE KNOW THAT CAR IS THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THAT, THAT I CAN SUPPORT, BUT SAVING THE DATA, EVEN IF IT'S GOING TO BE FOR A YEAR FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF LIMITED TIMEFRAME.

I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THAT JUST

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I ASKED HIM ABOUT WHY YOU NEEDED THE DATA FOR A YEAR.

UH, AND, UH, HE, UH, ALOUD TO ME THAT, UM, THAT HE WOULD, UH, BE OKAY IF IT WAS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO SHORTEN IT AS FAR AS 30 DAYS.

UM, AND THAT, UH, YOU'RE THE AUTHORIZED AND THEN A BOWL TO ME, AS LONG AS IT HELPS WITH SOLVING CRIMES.

I MEAN, WE DID A COMMUNITY MEETING MY OFFICE, HOSTED IT, AND IN 2017, APD OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY LOCATE A KIDNAPPED TWO YEAR OLD CHILD FROM ST.

ANTONIO AFTER LICENSE PLATE READERS, ALERTED TO THE VEHICLE TRAVELING NORTHBOUND ON 35.

AND SO FOR ME, THIS IS A MATTER OF, OF LIFE SAFETY FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

IF WE CAN SAVE ONE CHILD WHO IS ABDUCTED, OR IF WE COULD HELP ONE VICTIM OF A HEINOUS CRIME GET JUSTICE, THEN, THEN THAT'S WORTH IT TO ME.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS DATA IS PROTECTED AND THAT IT'S UTILIZED IN A WAY THAT WILL REALLY BE OKAY WITH ALL OF US AND, AND BE RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND THEN I'LL PASS THE FLOOR.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF GIVING THIS TOOL TO APD.

CAUSE I THINK IT SERVES AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER.

UH, I THINK THAT, UH, 30 DAYS IS MUCH MORE REASONABLE THAN A YEAR TO, TO KEEP THE DATA I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING THE DATA WITHOUT HAVING AN INVESTIGATION.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE MOST FREQUENT USE OF THIS IS ACTUALLY AFTER THE FACT OF A CRIME, UH, WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY WE ARE A CRIME IN THESE THREE AREAS, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S A CAR THAT WAS IN ALL THREE OF THESE AREAS, UH, TO TRY AND IDENTIFY IT.

I AM CONCERNED WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WITH US RAISED AND SOME THAT YOU RAISED AS WELL.

UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VELA.

AND I WOULD LIKE US TO FIGURE OUT, UM, BEFORE WE CONSIDER THIS AND IN AUGUST, HOW TO SOLVE FOR THOSE, UH, AND THAT'S THE, THE USE OF THE DATA OR INFORMATION OUTSIDE OUR APD.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT OUR APD WILL LOG IN, REQUIRE WHOEVER USES THIS TO LOG IN, UH, AND TO EXPLAIN WHY IT WAS, THEY WERE USING IT.

UM, AND, AND WE'LL GIVE THOSE REPORTS TO THE, TO THE COUNCIL, UH, SO THAT WE CAN SEE HOW FREQUENTLY AND WHAT FOUR PEOPLE WERE HAVING ACCESS.

BUT ONCE WE LEAVE OUR APD, I DON'T THINK WE CAN EXPECT THE SAME KIND OF REPORTING FOR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT MIGHT HAVE ACCESS.

UH, AND IF OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WERE USING IT FOR IMMIGRATION PURPOSES OR ARE USING IT FOR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, UH, ISSUES, I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT.

AND, UH, IF THE ONLY STANDARD IS, UH, WE CAN SHARE WITH OTHER AGENCIES, IF THEY HAVE ALLEGED, OUR CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG CATCH BASIN, UH, THAT, THAT WE DON'T PARTICIPATE IN.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, TO NOT HAVE THAT HAPPEN IN THOSE INSTANCES, OR TO GIVE, UH, OUR CITY THE ABILITY TO SHUT IT DOWN.

UH, IF WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE IF WE GET IT, WE HAVE TO TURN IT OVER, BUT IF WE DON'T GET IT, THEN THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO TURN OVER, BUT TO BE ABLE TO SUMMARILY SHUT DOWN THE SYSTEM, UH, IF USE IS OUTSIDE OF US, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE.

I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO TRY TO FIND SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THIS FORCE MULTIPLIER TOOL TO, TO ABD.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, WOULD CONSIDER A COUNCIL MEMBER TOVA THEN COUNSELOR KITCHEN.

UM, ON YOUR LAST POINT, I WONDER IF THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHAT KIND OF LEGAL MECHANISMS WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO, JUST WHAT YOU SAID EITHER TO SHUT THE PROGRAM DOWN OR WITHHOLD THE INFORMATION, IF, IF THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT IT'S BEING USED IN WAYS THAT, THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT ANTI WERE NOT INTENDED.

AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE BETWEEN NOW AND BUDGET, IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE SOME REALLY STRONG LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT THOSE GUARDRAILS ARE GOING TO BE, THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON ABOUT HOW IT SHOULD GET USED TO ADDRESS THE REALLY PELLET CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FRONTEX AND BELLA RAISED TO THE TIME PERIOD.

I WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND KIND OF HOW IT'S BEEN USED IN THE PAST.

WHEN WE HAD LICENSE PLATE READERS, WHAT WAS THE RETENTION TIMEFRAME IN THE PAST, IN THE PAST, IT WAS 365 DAYS.

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AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT STRIKES ME THAT PROBABLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE ROCK THROWING INCIDENT, THAT LONGER PERIOD WAS NECESSARY.

BUT FOR THE KINDS OF INCIDENTS THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, COUNCILOR MEMBER KELLY, A SHORTER TIME PERIOD, LIKE 30 DAYS WOULD WORK.

UM, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE LENGTH OF TIME? I MEAN, I KNOW THE ROCK THROWING WENT ON FOR A LONG WHILE AND SEVERAL PEOPLE, AT LEAST ONE PERSON IS REALLY CRITICALLY INJURED.

WHAT WAS THE TIME PERIOD THAT YOU WERE DRAWING FROM WHEN YOU WERE ACCUMULATING? THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT LED YOU TO THAT PERSON? I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT INVESTIGATION.

I WAS ACTUALLY BACK ON PATROL.

UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THAT THE DATA THEY LOOKED AT WAS FROM THE ENTIRE FRAME OF WHEN THE FIRST INCIDENT WAS REPORTED OR DISCOVERED ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THE TIME, UH, HE WAS APPREHENDED.

I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER.

I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS.

MAYBE YOU COULD FILE, MAYBE YOU COULD FOLLOW UP WITH US.

I MEAN THAT, BUT THAT WAS A REAL BIZARRE CIRCUMSTANCE.

AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, I MEAN, I KNOW IT WAS A LONG PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, HE, HE WAS HERE AT COUNCIL TALKING ABOUT TOWING AND STUFF.

I MEAN, FOR, HE WAS A, KIND OF A REGULAR INDIVIDUAL HERE AT COUNCIL.

SO IT WAS A LONG, IT WAS A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

BUT IT, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS I'M THINKING IT THROUGH, I MEAN, WHILE THAT, WHILE HE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN APPREHENDED, BUT FOR THAT INFORMATION, I THINK GIVEN THE BALANCE, GIVEN THE PRIVACY CONCERNS, I THINK THE BALANCE, UM, LEADS ME TO WANTING, UH, A MUCH SHORTER TIMEFRAME TOO.

AND SO WILL, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE USEFUL IN THE KINDS OF ABDUCTION INCIDENTS THAT YOU'RE TRYING AND NOT NECESSARILY BE HELPFUL IN THOSE OTHER ONES, BUT THOSE OTHER ONES ARE REALLY ODDBALL ONES THAT HOPEFULLY WON'T WELL, AND IF I CAN ADD REAL QUICK, JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RATIONALE FOR THE ONE YEAR THAT WAS BECAUSE OF OUR DATA AND RETENTION POLICY HERE AT THE CITY, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS FOLLOWING HIS GUIDANCE WHEN I DRAFTED THE RESOLUTION.

SO I'M A MEDICAL TENT, ANY CHANGE THAT IS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO PROTECT THAT DATA.

UM, YES.

AND, AND SO I WANTED TO ASK A LITTLE DIFFERENT QUESTION THAT THE COUNSELOR MICHELA, YOU MAY HAVE ADDRESSED.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE IT IN THERE NOW, BUT, UM, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE PROCESS FOR ARTICULATING AND DEVELOPING WHAT THE SAFEGUARDS ARE AGAINST THE ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM.

YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE HAS TO BE A YOUTH POLICY.

SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS WHETHER WE HAVE ADOPTED A YOUTH POLICY AT THIS POINT, BUT I WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT USE POLICY IS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, DEVELOPED, UH, IN A MANNER THAT, UM, THAT, UM, THAT THE PUBLIC HAD SOME INPUT ON OR PARTICIPATED IN AND PERHAPS HAS DONE THROUGH THE OPO, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, BUT BY USE POLICY, I MEAN THE SPECIFICS OF ACCESS AND USER ROLES.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT ARE THE SECURITY SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO ESTABLISH ACCESS TO DATA AND USER ROLES? ALLOWABLE USES DATA, SHARING LIMITATIONS, THE POTENTIAL OF ACTUALLY NOT MAKING DATA AVAILABLE TO OTHER AGENCIES, BUT INSTEAD PARTICIPATING IN THE INVESTIGATION WITH THEM INSTEAD OF HANDING DAVID DATA OVER TO THEM, UH, JUST A RANGE OF THINGS, UH, TO HAVE THE TIGHTEST SECURITY POSSIBLE.

AND, AND, UM, SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR SETTING THOSE, UM, PARAMETERS IN THOSE SAFE CARDS, UH, COUNSELOR KELLY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S WRITTEN INTO, UM, THE RESOLUTION OR NOT, THAT THAT WOULD BE A PROCESS THAT THERE'S SOME OVERSIGHT AND PARTICIPATION, RIGHT? SO LINES ON PAGE TWO OF FIVE, STARTING AT LINE 35, IT TALKS ABOUT THE TEXAS PENAL CODE, PROVIDING CRIMINAL PENALTIES, IF AN OFFICER OR OTHER PUBLIC SERVANT, INTENTIONALLY, OR KNOWINGLY MISUSES INFORMATION FROM THE LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM.

IT ALSO DISCUSSES APDS GENERAL ORDERS, WHICH, UM, PROVIDE THE RULES AND SECURITY OF THE RELEASE OF RECORDS AND INFORMATION.

AND THEN ALSO ONLINE 48, PAGE THREE OF FIVE, IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, SECTION 1 43 DOT OH FIVE, TWO OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH ALSO PROVIDES PENALTIES TO SOMEONE WHO MISUSES INFORMATION.

I DO LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT PROVIDING INPUT BECAUSE YES, AND PERHAPS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SPEAK TO THIS, THERE WAS A POLICY ON THE USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY, BUT IT WAS REMOVED WHEN THE ABILITY FOR OFFICERS TO UTILIZE THE TECHNOLOGY WAS REMOVED IN 2020.

SO PERHAPS WE WRITE IN AN AMENDMENT THAT INCLUDES PUBLIC INPUT RELATED TO THE FUTURE POLICY BEING CREATED.

I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA.

DEPARTMENT THAT MIGHT BE THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT.

AND I'D LIKE TO INVOLVE, UM, THE APPROPRIATE, UM, BUT

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UH, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, UM, VERY DELIBERATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, UH, POLICY AND DEVELOPMENT IN A WAY THAT'S FULLY TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN WOULD BE NECESSARY.

SO, UM, SO THAT MAY BE LANGUAGE THAT WE NEED, UH, NEED TO WRITE IN IF I MAY COMMENT.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS INFORMATION, WHICH I'LL JUST GENERALLY SAY IS VERY HELPFUL.

I KNOW THE CHIEF, UH, WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT FOR THE COMMITMENT THAT HE HAD TO GO TO OUR SISTER CITY AND BACK TO HE'S TRAVELING BACK TODAY.

AND, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY I THINK, UH, FOR COUNSEL AND FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IN THIS INFORMATION, UH, AND BETTER BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS.

SO, UH, AS COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY MENTIONED, UH, THERE WAS A POLICY THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE WITH SIGNIFICANT, UH, PUBLIC INPUT PRIOR, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO OPERATE THE LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM UNTIL, UH, WE STOPPED USING IT GOING FORWARD, BASED ON WHAT DIRECTION COUNCIL MIGHT PROVIDE, UH, IN TERMS OF THIS BEING PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UH, POLICY, UH, AND INCORPORATE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO MEET COUNCILS AND TASKS.

YEAH, MY THOUGHT IS THAT, THAT IT MAY TAKE A BIT OF TIME AND IT MAY BE A MORE CONCENTRATED WORK GROUP KIND OF EFFORT TO SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS SITTING AT THE TABLE, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PUBLIC ARE SITTING AT THE TABLE AND THE VELUM OF THAT POLICY.

I WOULD LIKE AN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THIS OR NOT CONFORM TO KELLY, BUT IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH US ALL THE PREVIOUS POLICY THAT WOULD GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF HOW IT WAS SCOPED OUT BEFORE AND THEN, UM, SO I THINK THAT SOME ASSURANCES OF WHAT THE PROCESS INVOLVES WOULD BE NECESSARY AND THEN SOME OVERSIGHT OF IT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD EMAIL COUNSEL, UH, I BELIEVE AS PART OF THE COUNCIL Q AND A, THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED FOR, WE HAVE BOTH THE POLICY AS WELL AS I THINK, EXAMPLES OF HOW LPRS WERE USEFUL.

I ASKED FOR IT AS WELL.

OH, CAN YOU SHARE IT WITH US JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO LOOK FOR IT.

CERTAINLY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

SO I ALSO ASKED FOR THE COPY OF THE POLICY, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF NOW IS THE PROBATE OR TIME.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE RAISED AND, AND THE WORK THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY HAS DONE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE IMPROVE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.

UM, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR STAFF AND WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING DIRECTLY, AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF MEDIATED THROUGH, THROUGH COLLEAGUES IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WOULD, WOULD PLAN TO CHANGE THE BALLSY.

WELL, AGAIN, A MAYOR PRO TEM, I BELIEVE BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION, WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLICY AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT ADDITIONAL CHANGES ARE REQUIRED.

I THINK THE, AS I'M UNDERSTANDING, AND AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER TO THE POLICE CHIEF ON THIS, THE POLICY, WHAT TOOK SIGNIFICANT INPUT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO TRY TO MEET THE CONCERNS MUCH OF WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY EXPRESSING HERE.

UH, AND CERTAINLY, UH, BASED ON THIS INFORMATION AND WANTING TO CREATE TRUST, NOT ONLY AMONGST THE, UH, YOU, BUT CERTAINLY THE COMMUNITY, WE WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AND REVIEW THAT POLICY BEFORE WE PUT IT.

UH, BUT THE LPRS BACK IN PLACE, WHICH, UH, CERTAINLY WE CAN DO, UH, PRI SHOULD COUNCIL, UH, APPROVE LPR USE IN THE BUDGET.

BUT IT JUST, IT'S CONFUSING TO ME GIVEN THE SETUP.

I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL IF WE GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE, WHERE THIS SUBSCRIPTION WOULD BE MOST USEFUL AND WHERE ITS ABSENCE HAS IMPACTED, UM, POLICE ACTIVITY.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE THAT, THAT FULLER PICTURE.

UM, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND GOING BACK TO OUR EARLIER BUDGET CONVERSATION BETWEEN BUDGET WRITERS AND AMENDMENTS AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY.

IT WAS INTERESTING TO LEARN THAT IT WAS ALREADY IN THE BASE BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE TO, THE AMOUNT IS IN THERE, BUT IT HAS TO BE ALLOCATED.

AND I JUST, AND YOU WERE SAYING THIS WAS A BUDGET WRITER.

AND SO I JUST, I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE IS HOW WE ARE, HOW YOU'RE DOING THIS.

AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT, THIS IS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLARITY AND SO THAT HOWEVER WE PROCEED, COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY HAS CLARITY ON THAT AND WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT AND HOW THAT THANK YOU, HOW THAT WORKS, BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMS, I MEAN, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THERE'S EXTRA MONEY IN THE BUDGET OF APD THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO APPROPRIATE IT FOR THIS.

UM, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO GO PURCHASE THAT WITHOUT THEY'D STILL HAVE TO COME TO US FOR A CONTRACT.

SO HAVING, HAVING THESE RULES, ET CETERA,

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SO IF, IF YOU OR SOMEONE FROM BUDGET CAN EXPLAIN HOW THIS SHOULD IDEALLY WORK IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WHICH I THINK IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN OUR PAST, UM, SITUATIONS WITH BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND BUDGET WRITERS, I WOULD APPRECIATE, UM, THE CLARITY AND THEN THAT MAYBE YOU CAN HELP GUIDE COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY ISSUE MS. FORWARD.

YEAH, BECAUSE I'M DEFINITELY NOT THE BEST AT USING THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY SOMETIMES AND STILL BEING NEW.

I GET A LITTLE CONFUSED MYSELF.

UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US HOW THE FUNDING IS, IS WORKING ON THIS AND THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT THAT APD HAS THE FUNDING AVAILABLE.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED.

SO APD, UH, BASED ON THE SUBSCRIPTION LEVEL, I THINK IT'S UNDER 50 K IT'S UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

AND SO CERTAINLY THEY HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO IT.

HOWEVER, GIVEN COUNCIL'S ACTION, UM, 2016, I THINK, WHATEVER IT WAS CERTAINLY, UH, APD IS NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROCURING THIS KIND OF SERVICE WITHOUT CHECKING IN WITH COUNCIL AGAIN.

AND SO THAT IS THE ITEM I THINK, AND NOT NECESSARILY TO SPEAK FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY, BUT IN ORDER TO BRING THIS BACK AS A USEFUL TOOL FOR APD, CERTAINLY COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION.

AND IN THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD EARLIER, I BELIEVE, UM, THE MAYOR IS SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE THIS AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND SO AGAIN, HOPEFULLY NOT TO SPEAK TOO MUCH FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBER.

THAT'S HOW IT'S ENDING UP HERE, UH, AS A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

SO, SO I MIGHT SUGGEST FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, SO THAT THERE'S MORE SORT OF WEIGHT TO IT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE RESOLUTION DRAFTED THAT, UM, IT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT ALLOCATES THE MONEY AND A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM THAT IS THIS IFC, SO THAT IT'S NOT LIKE THAT THE RULES GOVERNING HOW THIS PROCEDURE WORKS ARE NOT BURIED WITHIN A BUDGET BRIGHTER.

UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE IMPORTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY OF THIS TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IS SUCH AN IT'S ALREADY DRAFTED AS AN IFC.

ANYWAY, IT WOULD JUST NEED TO BE, YOU JUST NEED TO CHANGE TO BE A RESOLVED SO THAT IT WAS, UM, NOT ABOUT PROSPECTIVELY IN THE BUDGET, BUT LIKE WE DID IT IN THE BUDGET AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO GOVERN THAT, UM, THAT THAT MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE WAY TO HANDLE IT.

I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING A BUDGET RIDER AND THEN NOBODY BEING ABLE TO GO BACK AND SORT OF REFERENCE IT AND THINK ABOUT IT.

UM, AND WE HAVE THAT DISCRETION.

AND AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER THIS AFTERNOON, WE WILL LIKELY END UP TAKING THE COMMERCIAL PARKLAND AS A SEPARATE, UM, ITEM.

IT WON'T BE AN IFC, BUT AS A ITEM FROM COUNCIL IN ORDER TO PASS THAT WITH THE BUDGET AS WELL.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.

I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

IT DOES ADD AN EXTRA ITEM ALONG WITH THE BUDGET, BUT I AM, I AM, THIS SEEMS TO BE MUCH MORE INVOLVED THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE AS KIND OF BUDGET WRITERS AND RIGHTLY SO.

AND, AND I KNOW THAT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, AS THE COUNCIL ASKED COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY TO WAIT TO DO IT UNTIL THE BUDGET.

UM, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF THAT WOULD BE MORE CLEAR, UM, A MORE CLEAR WAY TO, TO PROCEED FROM MY EAR THERE THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY THE SAME.

UH, SO I COULD GO, I COULD GO EITHER WAY, WE COULD PUT SOMETHING ON THE BUDGET DAY THAT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT, PASSING A RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE THE AUTHORITY TO, TO ENTER INTO THE CONTRACT THAT WE COULD DO IT AS A SEPARATE ITEM.

UH, WE COULD DO IT AS PART OF THE BUDGET.

WHY DON'T YOU DECIDE, UH, HOW YOU'D LIKE TO GO AND, AND, AND LET THE CLERK'S OFFICE KNOW.

DAYS WORKS, UM, THAT ACCESS TO THE TOOL BE LIMITED AND LOGGED AND REPORTABLE TO COUNSEL, UH, AND I, AND A PROCESS THAT LETS THE COUNCIL SEE HOW FREQUENTLY THIS IS BEING USED.

BUT EITHER ONE OF THOSE I THINK WOULD WHERE IT WOULD WORK.

I MEAN, I DO THINK THAT THIS ITEM IS VERY INVOLVED AND WE HAVE TAKEN QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO DISCUSS IT AND TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE AND, AND TO SPEAK WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ENCAPSULATE ALL THAT FEEDBACK.

SO THAT W IF THIS ITEM IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, AND IT IS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO BRING IT BACK, THAT FUTURE COUNCILS HAVE REFERENCES FOR WHAT WE DID.

AND THEY'RE ABLE TO LOOK BACK AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM.

SO, UM, YEAH, AND THAT WOULD, IF I, MY ONLY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, THAT WE NOT GET LOST ON THIS FOR AN HOUR DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, WHICH MEANS ELEVATING AHEAD OF TIME, WHATEVER THE WORKOUT.

SO WHEN YOU TALK TO THE CHIEF AND YOU TALK TO THE, THE SPONSOR AND HER CO-SPONSORS, I THINK THE, THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO GET THE CUMULATION OF DATA, THE HOLDING OF DATA AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS 30

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UM, AND THAT, UH, THERE'D BE CONTROLS ON THIS SO THAT EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW HOW WE BE USING IT IN HOUSE, UM, WHAT ABOUT IF WE CREATE IT, THEN OTHER AGENCIES ARE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THAT TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER.

TOVO HIS POINT? YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY NEED TO PUT THAT ON AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, AGENDA TO TALK THROUGH THAT, THAT ISSUE.

UM, BUT TO WHATEVER DEGREE OTHER AGENCIES MIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO IT, UM, HOW WE SHUT IT DOWN, IF OTHER AGENCIES ARE GETTING ACCESS TO IT, THAT THAT MIGHT USE IT FOR THINGS THAT, UH, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE USED FOR.

UH, AND I'VE HEARD THOSE AS BEING THE ARTICULATED ISSUES, BUT THE SOONER YOU COULD PUBLISH THOSE AND GET THOSE OUT OR GET THOSE TO COUNCIL, MAYBE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK WE CAN BE DOING BETWEEN NOW AND, AND, UH, BUDGET HEARINGS SO THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON BUDGET DAY, MAYOR PRO TEM.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I HAD RECALLED THAT THE AMOUNT OF THE COST WAS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH IS OVER THE CITY MANAGER'S LIMIT.

DO WE HAVE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THIS COSTS, UM, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION.

I BELIEVE THE COST IS A LITTLE OVER $114,114,000 OR $114,775.

SO JUST FOR CLARITY SAKE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN'T DO THIS WITHOUT ALL OF US REGARDLESS.

SO, SO, UM, THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T MANAGE TO GET IT DONE IN BUDGET AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO RESOLVE IT BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE SET IN MOTION, A PROCESS TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS.

UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT PRECLUDES HAVING THAT CLARITY COME AFTER THE BUDGET, IF IT NEEDED TO, UM, IN AN IFC AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PASS, UM, THE, THE ADOPTION OF IT WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL AND A COUNCIL WEIGHING IN ON THOSE, ON THOSE GUARD RAILS.

AND I'D BE AMENABLE TO THAT TOO.

WE JUST, AS A GROUP HAD COMMITTED TO CONSIDERING IT NO LATER THAN THE BUDGET PROCESS, I'M NOT ADVOCATING IT.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO IT.

I UNDERSTOOD, I NEED TO CLARIFY WHICH BUDGET THE MONEY EXISTS IN, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS CAME FORWARD AS AN IFC AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY, UM, TABLED IT UNTIL THE BUDGET.

I WOULD, I, I AGREE, UM, WITH THOSE WHO HAVE SAID THAT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESOLVE IT AND I, I APPRECIATE IT.

I THINK THIS IS A VERY USEFUL CONVERSATION BECAUSE I THINK WE SEE WHAT, WHAT KINDS OF ELEMENTS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BETWEEN HERE AND THERE, SO THAT IT'S, UH, IT RESOLVES AS MANY OF THE CONCERNS AS POSSIBLE.

UM, CAN WE HAVE A, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AS A PORTION OF OUR WORK AT ANY OF OUR BUDGET WORK? I THINK THAT I DON'T ENVISION A SUPER LONG ONE.

I JUST THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO CHECK IN ON, ON A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS.

WHY DON'T YOU PUT IT ON THE AGENDA THE FIRST TIME WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET IT IN A SESSION.

AND THEN MY QUESTION MAYOR, I'M SORRY.

I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHERE THE FUNDING EXISTS.

DOES THE FUNDING EXIST IN FISCAL YEAR 20 TWOS BUDGET, OR YOU'RE SAYING IT EXISTS? THERE'S THAT FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE APD FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET.

SO I WOULD DEFER TO, UM, CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, HENDERSON TO RESPOND TO THAT.

OH, CHIEF.

UM, YEAH, WE MISSED YOUR FIRST THREE WORDS.

UM, I GOT THE TAP ON THE SHOULDER FROM OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICERS THAT SAYS IT'S BOTH IN AND PROPOSED IN THEN WHITE 23 AND APDS BUDGET.

I'M SUPER INTERESTED NOW IN SUBMITTING A BUNCH OF BUDGET QUESTIONS FOR ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT UNSPENT FUNDS ARE IN ANY OF THEIR BUDGETS.

UM, CAUSE I ANYWAY, CAUSE THAT, THAT MEANS THAT THERE ARE UNSPENT FUNDS IN APD AND POTENTIALLY IN SOME OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

AND I HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS ON HOW WE COULD SPEND IT.

COUNCIL NOTIFICATION WHEN THE DATABASE IS SHARED TO ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, WHEN THE FULL DATABASE IS SHARED, UM, THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER SAFEGUARD THAT WE CONSIDER.

SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT I THINK MIGHT BE HELPFUL EITHER AS AN AMENDMENT OR, UM, TO THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, WHATEVER PROCESS WE GO DOWN, UM, WOULD BE REQUIRING

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ONE OF THE LINGERING QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IS DO TRAVIS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OR DPS HAVE ACCESS TO THESE LICENSE PLATE READER, OR DO THEY HAVE EQUIPMENT AND THE SUBSCRIPTION FOR LICENSE PLATE READING? I KNOW BACK IN 2016 T UH, TRAVIS COUNTY DID, UH, DPS I'VE, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN FOLLOW UP THOUGH AND GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

I STILL THINK THAT THERE IS STILL THE POTENTIAL FOR US TO PARTNER WITH ANOTHER ENTITY, UM, AND HAVING THIS TYPE OF SURVEILLANCE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS VERSUS HAVING IT SET UP.

IN-HOUSE WHERE WE HAVE A DATABASE THAT WILL BE SURVEILLING AND COLLECTING HUNDREDS OF RECORDS, UH, FOR A PERIOD OF 30 DAYS OR MORE, THAT COULD BE ACCESSIBLE BY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

UM, AND THEN A LEGAL QUESTION IS UNDERSTANDING THE, UM, IMPACTS OF SENATE BILL FOR THE SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS LAW.

UH, AND I THINK THAT HAS REQUIREMENTS, UM, SET UP BETWEEN IMMIGRATION, CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, UM, HAVING ACCESS TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DATA.

UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

COUNSEL MARTO.

COULD I ASK THAT, UM, ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED THAT STAFF ARE FOLLOWING UP ON, UM, BE POSTED AS, AS QUESTIONS IN THE Q AND A FOR TODAY, JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM ALL IN ONE PLACE, UM, AND THE PUBLIC CAN SEE THE ANSWERS TO THOSE AS WELL.

WE'LL DO THAT.

THANKS.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES, TO ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO OWNS OR CONTROLS THE DATA.

UH, TO ME, I MEAN TO SAY THAT A 30 DAY DELETE, BUT IF OTHER AGENCIES HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA, THEN THEY CAN PRESUMABLY SWEEP IT INTO OTHER DATABASES.

AND IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE DO WITH THE DATA.

IN OTHER WORDS, IS VIGILANT GOING TO DELETE THE DATA AFTER 30 DAYS, OR IS IT JUST INTERNALLY THAT WE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA AFTER 30 DAYS? UH, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL RELEVANT QUESTIONS.

WE, WE CONTROL THE DATA.

UM, SO IF WE SET A 30 DAY, UH, TIME LIMIT, THEN AT 30 DAYS, THE DATA'S REMOVED FROM THE SYSTEM, THAT'S OUR KITCHEN.

UM, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IN MORE DETAIL THE SECURITY PROVISIONS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, VIGILANT IS THE ONE THAT'S DELETING THE DATA I'M SURE RATHER THAN, THAN OUR STAFF.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHO'S DELETING THE DATA.

HOW DO WE KNOW THEY DELETED IT? UM, IS THERE A VERIFICATION PROCESS FOR THE DELETION? IS THAT BUILT INTO OUR CONTRACT? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE OUR, UH, WHAT'S OUR RECOURSE, UH, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.

SO I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CONTRACT WITH VIGILANT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL ALSO TO UNDERSTAND.

UM, AND THEN, AND THEN WE JUST NEED A FURTHER, W WHAT WE NEED IS A AS A LIST OF ALL THE SECURITY PROVISIONS AND IN PROCESSES.

SO THERE'LL BE POLICIES AND PROVISIONS.

SO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THEN I WOULD JUST ASK FOR CONSIDERATION, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU USE THE DATA AND WHETHER THIS IS POSSIBLE.

I'M SPEAKING TO OUR OFFICE OFFICERS NOW, BUT I, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER NOT SHARING THE DATA AT ALL.

UH, IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD, IF IT'S, IF IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, FROM A, FROM A PROCESS HOW POLICE POLICING WORKS, CAN YOU JUST, INSTEAD OF GIVING A, ANOTHER AGENCY ACCESS TO DATA, WOULD IT NOT WORK FOR YOU TO, THEY MAKE A SPECIFIC DATA REQUEST OF YOU? OUR STAFF DOES THE REVIEW OF THE DATA AND THEN MAKES IT AVAILABLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE WITHIN YOUR WORK PROCESSES, BUT I THINK IT WOULD ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF PROTECTION RATHER THAN GIVING ANOTHER USER ACTUALLY ACCESS INTO THE DATA.

WOULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THAT QUESTION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? OKAY.

I'M SURE WE CAN DO IT LEGALLY.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS PART OF THE PROCESS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WORK WITH OTHER POLICING AGENCIES.

I THINK THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE QUESTIONS THEY WANTED TO DO, ADDRESS IT EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM THEN.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, TOVO YOU PULLED THE STATESMAN POD.

UM, IT'S 1138.

LET'S KEEP PLUGGING ALONG HERE.

UM,

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WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT THIS AFTERNOON AS PART OF THE BRIEFING ON THE POD.

HOW SOUTH YOU THEM.

YEAH, AS I INDICATED BEFORE, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION FIRST AND, AND, UM, I DO WANT TO HAVE A COUNCIL CONVERSATION IN PUBLIC ABOUT IT, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO ON THURSDAY.

RATHER THAN TODAY, AIRPORT EXPANSION CONSULTATION, CONTRACT GUZMAN WITH THAT.

AS THOSE TWO PIECES ARE WORKING AND WE'RE START PUTTING PACKAGES ON THE STREET FOR AWARD TO START CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN OR REVERSE DESIGN, AND THEN CONSTRUCTION, OR ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE A PART OF THOSE 60 PROJECTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY IS ALSO WE'RE WORKING ON THE BARBARA JORDAN TERMINAL OF ADDING TO THE ASSETS ITSELF, OPTIMIZING CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THAT TERMINAL TO ADD SOME CAPACITY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AS WE SEE THE NEW GATES OPENING THE NEW HEAD OF THE HOUSE THAT HE ROADWAYS ARE TO CONTINUE MATCHING THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE S WE'RE SEEING.

I THINK, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL TAKE VERY LONG.

UM, COLLEAGUES WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA WAS ADD ON THE ADDENDUM, A CONTRACT AUTHORIZING UP TO 40 MILLION, UM, FOR PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES AND PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, AS WE ALL KNOW, OUR AIRPORT IS GOING THROUGH A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR EXPANSION, AND WE'VE HAD, UM, SEVERAL ISSUES HERE LATELY.

UM, AND TO BE CLEAR, SEVERAL AIRPORTS THROUGHOUT THE NATION HAVE ALL HAD ISSUES WITH TSA SHORTAGES, UM, WITH AIRLINES HAVING ISSUES WITH THEIR SCHEDULING.

UM, BUT WE KNOW THAT IN OUR PARTICULAR AIRPORT THAT WE ARE AT CAPACITY.

AND SO I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR US TO TAKE A MOMENT TO HEAR FROM AVIATION STAFF, UM, TO TOUCH BASE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE PROGRAM EXPANSION, HOW THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT, UM, SUPPORTS THE, THE EXPANSION, UM, AND ANYTHING THAT IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS THE CAPACITY ISSUES.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL STRATEGIES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE TO IMPROVE OUR PASSENGER EXPERIENCE.

SO I THOUGHT WE WOULD, IT WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE TOUCH BASE AT THIS TIME.

AND IF WE HAVE AVIATION STAFF, MISERABLE, WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM.

MAY I TAKE A QUICK MOMENT? I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT MENTIONING THIS BEFORE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HEALTH SOUTH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THAT I DISTRIBUTED.

I JUST DISTRIBUTED SOMETHING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION AND IT'S PREVIOUSLY POSTED, UM, IT'S THE MOTION SHEET THAT I HAD BROUGHT FORWARD WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, RENTERIA ON JANUARY SIX AT OUR JANUARY 26TH, 2021 MEETING.

AND I ALSO HAVE INCLUDED THE MINUTES TOWARD THE BACK.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT GOT INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION.

I BELIEVE ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS, UM, IN ESSENCE, GOT INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION AS DIRECTION TO STAFF OF WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE IN THAT EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT.

AND I APOLOGIZE, COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER MEDICINE.

I DON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO GET THIS TO YOU, BUT IT IS, IT IS THE MOTION SHEET.

THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE BACKUP ON JANUARY 26TH, 2021.

AND AGAIN, JUST THE MINUTES FROM THAT DAY AS WELL.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

I RECEIVED A TEXT WITH THE PHOTOCOPY AND I SEE THAT WE HAVE STAFF ON THE LINE FROM AVIATION.

I'M HAPPY TO TEE UP THE QUESTIONS THAT I PREVIOUSLY ASKED.

UM, SO WHEN I SHARED A DIRECTORY AFT AND MS. THOMPSON IS WANTING TO TAKE A MOMENT TO HEAR FROM OUR AVIATION TEAM TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT FOR, UH, FOR PROGRAM MANAGEMENT CONSULTING SERVICES, UM, IS TIED AND WILL SUPPORT THE AIRPORT EXPANSION.

UM, AND ANY OF THE WORK THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, THAT IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS CAPACITY ISSUES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING AT THE AIRPORT, UH, TO IMPROVE PASSENGER EXPERIENCE.

UM, YES.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY.

UM, DOCTOR IN THE APP, THE CEO FOR, UH, AUSTIN VERSUS AIRPORT, UM, THE CONTRACT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS SPECIFICALLY FOR PROGRAM MANAGEMENT SUPPORT ON CONSULTING SERVICES.

SO THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED INTO, UM, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, PROJECT CONTROL, THE RISK MANAGEMENT, UM, QA, QA, AND QC.

AND THEN OF COURSE, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AS THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS HAPPENING.

I'M ALSO SUPPLEMENTING OUR STAFF MEMBERS WITH THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, DEPENDING ON WHAT PART OF THE PROGRAM WE'RE IN ON THE PLANNING AND DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HIRE ALL THOSE FOLKS AS CITY EMPLOYEES BECAUSE OF THE LIFE OF THE PROGRAM ONLY.

SO THIS ALSO WILL PROVIDE US, UM, THE ASSISTANT TO GET THROUGH THE NEXT FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.

UM, WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WITH THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN FRONT OF YOU IS TO COVER WHAT WE WOULD THINK OF FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR THESE SERVICES, UM, HOW THIS CONTRACT SPECIFICALLY FITS IN THE PROGRAM.

UM, THOSE WHO TH THIS PROGRAM WOULD SUPPORT THE, AS I SAID, THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT PIECE OF IT, WE, AS YOU KNOW, WE RECENTLY HAVE THE MASTER ARCHITECT ON BOARD THAT WOULD BE PUTTING TOGETHER THE DESIGN FOR ALL THE ELEMENTS OF THE DP.

UM, IN THE MEANTIME,

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SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, ADDITIONAL GATES ON, IN THE MAIN TERMINAL TODAY, OUR SCREENING CHECKPOINTS, WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THE BAGGAGE HANDLING SYSTEM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, SOME, UH, UH, TICKET COUNTERS FOR THE AIRLINES.

SO THOSE ARE, WILL BE IN THE WORKS.

WHAT WE CALL THEM ARE SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS WHILE THE MASTER ARCHITECT AND THIS PROJECT MANAGEMENT CONTRACT WORK ON THE LONG-TERM OFF OF THE WHOLE ADP, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

AND I HAVE TRACY ON THE LINE ALSO.

UM, AND ANYTHING THAT A DIRECTORY OPT, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE ABOUT, UM, THE RECENT, UM, YOU KNOW, ISSUES BEEN HAVING AT THE AIRPORT THAT WE KNOW IS NOT UNLIKE MANY OTHER AIRPORTS I MYSELF, UH, FLEW THROUGH DFW, UM, AND, AND HAD A CRAZY LONG LINE IN CUSTOMS. AND SO I KNOW THAT MANY AIRPORTS RIGHT NOW ARE DEALING WITH, UM, WITH DELAYS, UH, BUT ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT SHORT TERM STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS OUR NEED FOR ADDED CAPACITY AT THE BARBARA JORDAN TERMINAL, BUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTIVELY DOING TO IMPROVE OUR PASSENGER EXPERIENCE? UM, I MEAN, SPECIFICALLY THE PASSENGER EXPERIENCE, AND AS YOU HEARD, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH SOME OF THE OTHER AIRPORTS, UM, IT'S NO STRANGERS, A LOT OF THEIR PERSONAL WAY OF DEALING WITH THE STAFFING SHORTAGE, THE AIRLINES, THE FEDERAL AGENCIES, THE SCREENING FOLKS, UM, THAT, THAT IS PUTTING A STRESS ON EVERYBODY.

UH, FORTUNATELY WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HERE AT AUSTIN, SPECIFICALLY WITH TSA AND THE AIRLINES TO TRY TO MANAGE THE LINES, UM, TRY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, COORDINATE AHEAD OF TIME AND THE PLANNING AND THE SCHEDULE AND THE, UM, ADDITIONAL SLICE OF THE AIRLINES ARE ADDING.

WE ARE DOING GOOD SO FAR.

UM, EVENTUALLY WE WILL GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO, UM, LOOK AT SOME, I, YOU KNOW, OPTIMIZING THE BARBARA JORDAN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

SO A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE ON A CRITICAL TIMELINE, UH, ONE FOR THE BUDGET, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE NEED THAT, THOSE ASSETS IN THIS CAPACITY HERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE CONTRACTS COMING YOUR WAY.

UM, IN, IN THE MIDST OF ALL THAT ON THE OPERATIONS SIDE, UM, WE HAVE OUR OPERATIONS TEAM VERY WELL DEDICATED HERE, AND THEY WORK HARD TO TRY TO MANAGE THE LIONS AND MANAGE THE REGISTRATION FOR THE AIRLINES AND THE FEDERAL AGENCY EVERY DAY.

SO WE CAN AVOID AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE STORIES THAT YOU SEEING OR HEARING AROUND THE COUNTRY.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT QUICKLY IS ALSO THE FAA, UH, WITH THE NUMBERING OF, OF LARGE HUB AND SMALL AND MEDIUM, WE ARE, UM, WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING COMING IN RANKING AT THE LARGE HUB AIRPORTS, UM, LEVELS.

SO THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD STORY.

IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE, BUT IT ALSO HIGHLIGHTS HOW CRITICAL WE NEED TO STAY ON THE, ON THE ATP PROGRAM.

GOTCHA.

NO FURTHER QUESTION.

ON MY END COLLEAGUES, I JUST GIVEN THE AMOUNT FOR THIS CONTRACT AND, UM, AND THE EXPERIENCES WE'VE BEEN HAVING LATELY AT OUR AIRPORT, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND HEAR FROM AVIATION TEAM, UH, TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW CRITICAL IT IS FOR US TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDING AN EXPANDING CAPACITY.

AND, UM, SO THAT WAS MY INTENT WITH PULLING THIS ITEM.

UPGRADING SOME OF THOSE EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO PROCESS MORE PASSENGERS THROUGH, ON EACH LANE PER HOUR, THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

AND PRO TEM, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR, UM, HIGHLIGHTING THIS ISSUE.

UM, I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT IN ALL OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT I WONDERED IF YOU COULD ZERO IN MS. ON, UM, THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS SENT FOR, UM, TSA.

I KNOW THAT CONGRESSMAN DOGGETT'S OFFICE HAS BEEN ADVOCATING HARD, UM, BEHALF OF AUSTIN AIRPORT, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RESOURCES.

AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL FEDERAL RESOURCES, UM, THAT HAVE COME TO AUSTIN IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO HELP US.

UM, SO YES, I CAN SPEAK IN GENERAL.

UM, THEY HAVE, UM, SUPPORTED US BY ADDING FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, EXTENDED THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM OTHER STATES TO HELP US HERE WITH THE, UM, TSA SCREENING LINES.

SO THEY EXTENDED THE TIMELINE ON THAT TO TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THEM SPECIFICALLY ON THE SCREENING EQUIPMENT AND ENHANCING,

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UH, SO IT'S A COMBINATION BETWEEN THE PERSONNEL OFFICERS, THE MACHINES AND THE EQUIPMENT, BUT ALSO, UM, OFFERING RETENTION, BONUSES, AND HIRING BONUSES FOR, UM, THE OFFICERS TO MATCH THE COST OF LIVING IN AUSTIN.

AND THEY HAVE, UM, RAISED THOSE PERCENTAGE, UM, IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, UM, TO MAKE IT, UH, UH, ATTRACTIVE TO THE OFFICERS.

UH, WE'RE ALSO HELPING WORK WITH THEM ON JOB FAIRS TO BE ABLE TO OPEN A JOB FAIR FOR ALL OUR TENANCY HOLDERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL STRUGGLING TO BRING IN EMPLOYEES.

UM, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK CONGRESSMAN'S DOGGETT'S OFFICE FOR, FOR REALLY GOING TO THE BAT FOR, FOR AUSTIN, UM, AND OUR AIRPORT.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE DO.

WE THINK HIS SUPPORT AND YOURS ALSO NEVER HARBOR MADISON.

THANK YOU, MARY.

I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, MY, MY CONTRIBUTION IS TEENY, TEENY TINY, UM, JUST, IT WAS AN OBSERVATION.

AND SO WHILE WE HAVE YOU, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP THE LINE FOR THE SHUTTLE WAS UNLIKE ANYTHING I'D EVER SEEN BEFORE, UH, TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE WERE WALKING IN 110 WITH AS MANY BAGS AS THEY COULD PILE ON THEIR BACKS, IT WAS LIKE A LINE OF HUMANS.

IT WAS JUST SHARPEST ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN TERMS OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND CAPACITY.

SOMETHING ELSE OCCURRED TO ME DURING THE COURSE OF THAT EXPERIENCE.

AND THAT WAS, UM, OF THE THREE SHUTTLE DRIVERS THAT I HAD AT, UH, UM, ABIA, ONLY ONE OF THEM.

AND IT WAS REALLY CUTE.

HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HIS 12 YEAR OLD NIECE HAD HELPED HIM FIGURE OUT HOW TO SET UP HIS VENMO, UM, SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE INSISTED ON OFFERING GRATUITY, THAT THEY COULD GIVE IT TO THEM.

THERE'S REALLY PEOPLE DON'T CARRY CASH.

SO THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ENGAGE IN THAT KIND OF GENEROSITY AS PATRONS.

UM, WITH, I KNOW THAT WE ALL RECOGNIZE THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT AND THERE MIGHT EVEN BE, UM, YOU MIGHT EVEN DISCOURAGE GRATUITY, WHICH IS TOO BAD BECAUSE THEY, I MEAN THEM LUGGING THESE BAGS IN THIS HEAT.

IT REALLY IS.

UM, UH, IT IT'S, UH, IT'S ADMIRABLE, UM, THE, THE LEVEL OF HER WORK AND SERVICE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S MAYBE A DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER IF GRATUITY IS DISCOURAGED, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING, THEY'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO GET THOSE, THOSE BAGS ON THOSE SHUTTLES.

AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN OVERLOOKED SPOT IN TERMS OF, UH, AREAS FOR EXPRESSING OUR APPRECIATION FOR AIRPORT EMPLOYEES, UM, APPRECIATED, UM, THOUSAND MEMBERS.

IT IS, IT'S NOT A, UM, ONE IT'S NOT REQUIRED AND IT'S ALSO NOT ENCOURAGED.

WE CITY EMPLOYEES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ACCEPT RITUALS.

UM, SO THAT IS PART OF THE JOB AND THAT WE DO, UM, AND PROVIDED A CUSTOMER SERVICE WITH THAT.

UM, THERE ARE TWO DEPART, UH, PRIVATE COMPANIES AT THE AIRPORT DO BY NOT SAYING THAT'S TOO BAD.

I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY WAY FOR US TO, TO WORK AROUND THAT IN THE FUTURE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT A CREATIVE SOLUTION FOR OFFERING ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES FOR THESE TIMES A YEAR, RIGHT ON OR 10 DEGREES THROW IN MY BIG BAGS, YOU KNOW, AND REALLY BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB OF DOING THEIR JOBS, REFUSING MY ASSISTANCE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE, UH, SPEAKING OF THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? I, I SAT IN THE SHUTTLE JUST FEELING BAD THE WHOLE TIME THAT THIS LADY, YOU KNOW, MY MOM'S AGE JUST LOVED ON MY, MY LUGGAGE AND I WASN'T ABLE TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION.

SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO, TO TABLE FOR A FUTURE CONVERSATION.

APPRECIATE IT.

BUT WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU.

SHIT.

IT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE COMPANY.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLOSE AND SHARE WITH COLLEAGUES SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET TODAY.

AND ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SEEING HOW WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE AVIATION ADVISORY COMMISSION IS BROADCAST ON ATX IN IT CURRENTLY IS ONLY AVAILABLE VIA AUDIO.

AND I THINK SINCE WE'RE GIVEN, SINCE WE'RE GOING THROUGH A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR AIRPORT EXPANSION PROGRAM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS LIVE AND AVAILABLE ON ATX N AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT FORWARD AS PART OF THE AVIATION ENTERPRISE BUDGET.

TO BEGIN THAT PATHWAY TO HOUSING AND, AND AS MANY OF YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON AS A COUNCIL IN, IN CHANGING THE WAY SERVICES ARE DELIVERED AT THE ART.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SIDE? UM, STAFF, THANK YOU.

UH, LET'S GO NOW TO ONE 90 CUSTOMER TOVO YOU PULLED THE ARCH CONTRACT WITH, UM, URBAN, UH, HOW CAN WE, I DID THANK YOU.

UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE HAVE SOME STAFF JOINING US HERE, UM, WHO CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING THIS POTENTIAL PROVIDER FOR SERVICES AT THE ARCH? UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A, A RESOURCE THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN OUR COMMUNITY PROVIDING EMERGENCY SHELTER AND ALSO THE KINDS OF RESOURCES THAT INDIVIDUALS STAYING THERE.

UM, ME

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UM, I AND OTHERS IN SUPPORT HAD BROUGHT FORWARD SEVERAL RESOLUTIONS TO INCREASE THE FUNDING, TO PROVIDE FOR CASE MANAGEMENT, SO THAT ALL INDIVIDUALS AT THE ARTS ARC IS MANAGED OR ARE CASE MANAGED, HAVE ACCESS TO CASE MANAGEMENT ARE ON A PATH TO HOUSING.

AND I'M SUPER CONCERNED, AS I KNOW, MANY OF YOU PROBABLY ARE AS WELL ABOUT THE SITUATION WITH, UM, NEEDING TO FIND ANOTHER PROVIDER.

I UNDERSTAND FROM I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS NECESSARY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE STAFF PROCESS WAS FOR IDENTIFYING URBAN ALCHEMY.

AND IF YOU COULD SORT OF TALK US THROUGH THAT, TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'LL SURPRISE ANYBODY.

WE'RE ALL, WE'VE, WE'VE ALL PROBABLY GOTTEN A COUPLE OF EMAILS, UM, EXPRESSING SOME CONCERNS ABOUT URBAN ALCHEMY AND I'D LIKE YOU TO, TO THE EXTENT APPROPRIATE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE.

AND AGAIN, HELP US UNDERSTAND, UM, WHY THIS IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHY THIS PROVIDER IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

AND ALSO, I'M SORRY, LET ME ASK, WELL, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

LET ME, LET ME LEAVE IT THERE FOR THE MOMENT.

GOOD MORNING, ADRIAN, STIRRUP AUSTIN, PUBLIC HEALTH.

I BELIEVE WITH ME TODAY, I HAVE A CASE OF JOHNSON SMOTHERS, UM, FROM OUR CONTRACT, UH, UNIT AT AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH AND MS. GRAY HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICER.

AND SO ON JULY 1ST, WHEN WE, UH, PROVIDED INFORMATION TO COUNSEL THAT THERE WAS THE INTENTION TO, UM, AND OUR CONTRACTS WITH FRONT STEPS AS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, THE TEAM GOT TOGETHER AND BEGAN FORMULATING A PLAN OF HOW WE WOULD PROVIDE SERVICES IN THE INTERIM.

AFTER SPEAKING WITH PURCHASING IT, IT BECAME CLEAR TO US THAT THE BEST VENUE WOULD BE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY CONTRACT FOR SERVICES ON THE 18TH.

WE CONTACTED, UM, OR WE HOSTED A MEETING WITH ABOUT NINE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN AUSTIN AND TRAVIS COUNTY WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH PROVIDING SERVICES IN THIS SPACE.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE BRITISH SHELTER CONTRACTS, WE TALKED ABOUT OTHER SERVICES THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY, UM, CONTRACTS WITH PRINCE TYPES TO PROVIDE.

WE LAID OUT THE BUDGET, WE ANSWERED QUESTIONS.

AND AT THE END OF THAT MEETING, WE ASKED AGENCIES TO SUBMIT LETTERS OF INTEREST, UM, BY 5:00 PM.

THE FOLLOWING DAY, THE EXPEDITED TIMELINE WAS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET AN ITEM BEFORE YOU, UM, ON THE 28TH AND TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TO EXECUTE AND, UH, THOSE CONTRACTS FOR THE START DATE OF AUGUST 15, TO ALLOW THE NEW VENDOR TO HAVE A TRANSITION PERIOD BETWEEN, UM, THEIR SERVICES STARTING OFFICIALLY AND FRONT STEPS EXITING.

UM, THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT, UM, FOR THE CONTRACTING PROCESS ARE SIMILAR WITH WHAT WE CALL OUR THRESHOLD REQUIREMENTS.

IT LOOKS AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL STABILITY, STABILITY, UM, THEIR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, UM, TAKING A LOOK AT THEIR AUDITED FINANCES, UM, TAKING A LOOK AT THEIR STAFF STRUCTURE, UM, AND THEIR BOARD, AND THEN ASKING THEM TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR, UM, EXPERTISE AND PROVIDING SERVICES WITHIN THIS SPACE.

UM, OUT OF THE NINE PROVIDERS THAT WERE AT THE TABLE THAT DAY ONE, UM, ORGANIZATION EXPRESSED INTEREST IN RUNNING SERVICES AT THE ARCH THAT WAS URBAN ALCHEMY, UM, AND REVIEWING THEIR FINANCES AS WELL AS THEIR STRUCTURE AND THEIR, THEIR PLANS TO STAFF UP.

IT SEEMED REASONABLE AND SOUND.

AND THE, SO THE STAFF MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT APPLICATION SINCE, UH, THE TIME OF, OF THIS ITEM BECOMING PUBLIC, WE HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF CONCERNS.

UM, THE STAFF HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE ORGANIZATION YESTERDAY, AND I WILL ALLOW A KESHA TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL AS I WAS UNABLE TO BE PRESENT.

BUT I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER OF SAUSALITO AND HE HAD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION'S TRACK RECORD FOR HELPING THEIR CITY WITH ENCAMPMENTS AND FOR PROVIDING SERVICES IN LARGER URBAN AREAS THAT HAD, UM, HOMELESS, UH, SERVICES.

SO NOT ONLY ARE THEY A WELL-VERSED AND HIGHLY RECOMMENDED FOR, UH, WORKING IN ENCAMPMENTS FOR PROVIDING, UM, AS HE CALLED IT HUMANE, UM, CARE, UM, AND, AND CREDITED THEM WITH MOVING TWO OF THEIR LARGEST ENCAMPMENTS IN JUST A MATTER OF DAYS.

AND HE DESCRIBED THE INTENTIONALITY, THE CARE, THE PERSONAL BOOTS ON THE GROUND TOUCH THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT

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THEY BUILT WITH THE RESIDENTS OF EACH OF THE ENCAMPMENTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

UM, HE ALSO ALLUDED TO THEIR ABILITY TO PROVIDE SHELTER SERVICES.

I TALKED TO THE PRINCIPAL MYSELF, UM, DR.

MILLER ABOUT HER EXPERIENCE PROVIDING SHELTER SERVICES AND, UM, THE SHELTER THAT SHE DESCRIBED AS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THE ARRANGEMENT THAT WE HAVE AT THE ARCH WITH RESPECT TO DESIGN AND ENTRYWAY AND, UH, THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND SO I DO FEEL FOR THIS PURPOSE, A TEMPORARY 12 MONTH CONTRACT TO GET US OVER THE HUMP WHILE WE CONDUCT A FULL SOLICITATION THAT URBAN ALCHEMY IS A STRONG PARTNER FOR US TO DO THIS WORK WITH ACACIA.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE MEETING WITH URBAN ALCHEMY YESTERDAY REGARDING THOSE ALLEGATIONS BEFORE WE HAD TURNED TO THAT, IF I MAY MAYOR, UM, DIRECTOR STIRRUP, THANK YOU.

AND I SHOULD REALLY HAVE STARTED WITH, WITH JUST A THANK YOU TO STAFF.

THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARILY CHALLENGING SITUATION, AND I, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WORK THAT YOU'VE HAD TO DONE TO DO TO REALLY MOVE QUICKLY AND RAPIDLY SO THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO NEED THIS RESOURCE CAN BE SERVED WITH, WITH NO GAPS IN SERVICE.

SO THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR, FOR ALL OF THAT WORK AND TO OUR HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICER.

UM, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT, UM, THE NEXT PIECE, COULD YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND? I MEAN, AND I HAVE, UM, ONLY LEARNED OF THIS MYSELF ON FRIDAY, AND HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DIVE INTO RESEARCHING THIS ORGANIZATION EITHER, BUT IN, IN MY INITIAL REVIEW, IT DID SEEM LIKE MOST OF WHAT I WAS HEARING IS ABOUT THE WORK THAT YOU DESCRIBED.

FIRST, THERE WORK AT ENCAMPMENTS, UM, ON THE GROUND BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS, UM, CONNECTING INDIVIDUALS WITH SERVICE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, CRITICALLY NECESSARY HERE, BUT THE JOB THAT WE'RE HIRING THEM TO DO IS MANAGING EMERGENCY SHELTER, WHICH IS SUCH SPECIFIC WORK.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADDRESS IN MORE DETAIL? WHAT, WHAT THE RANGE OF EXPERIENCE URBAN ALCHEMY HAS WITH, REGARDING, REGARDING, UM, MANAGER MANAGING AND ADMINISTERING CONGREGATE SHELTER, AND YOU REFERENCED, UM, THE PRINCIPAL HAVING SOME EXPERIENCE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THROUGH URBAN ALCHEMY OR THROUGH A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE ORGANIZATION'S EXPERIENCE RUNNING CONGREGATE SHELTER, AND BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE PRINCIPAL HAD EXPERIENCED, BUT IT WAS IN A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF SHELTER.

COULD YOU GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? SO TWO PARTS, BUT REALLY SOLIDLY.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT EXPERIENCE THEY HAVE.

I MEAN, WE, THERE WAS SUCH A RANGE OF SERVICES, UM, THAT NEEDED TO BE DELIVERED, BUT THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE'RE HIRING THEM TO DO YES.

AND WHEN I REFER TO THE PRINCIPAL, I WAS SPEAKING THE PRINCIPLE OF THE ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS DR.

LENA MILLER.

UM, AND SO I WILL SAY THAT, UM, AND MS. GRAY CAN HELP ME OUT AS WELL WITH THIS INFORMATION.

UM, THEY'VE RUN SHELTERS IN THE CALIFORNIA AREA.

UM, THEY'VE MOVED AWAY FROM CONGREGATE SHELTERS BECAUSE THAT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE BEST MINDS IN THIS SPACE ARE SAYING THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO, BUT AGREED TO, UH, PARTNER WITH US, OR AT LEAST AT THE TIME DR.

MILLER AND I WERE HAVING THE CONVERSATION, SHE AGREED TO AT LEAST LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAD TO SAY.

UM, THE MODEL THAT SHE DESCRIBED TO ME, UM, FOR THE SHELTERS THAT SHE HAS RUN, UM, DON'T INCLUDE METAL DETECTORS OR, UM, SECURITY GUARDS, OR, UM, THE FLAVOR OF AN, OF AN INSTITUTION, THE LIVE SPACE.

UH, SO YOU DESCRIBED, UH, CREATING AN ATMOSPHERE THAT, UM, UH, VOLKS THE, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT SHE HOPES TO HAVE WITH HER CLIENTS.

AND SO, UM, SHE LIKENED IT TO A DAY SPA WHEN YOU WALKED INTO THE FACILITIES THAT SHE WAS USED TO RUNNING, UM, UM, CALM COLORS, RELAXING FURNITURE, UM, AMBASSADORS THAT, THAT GREET PEOPLE AND CONNECT THEM TO SERVICES, PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE.

UM, AND THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT, UM, THAT WE, FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CREATE HERE IN AUSTIN.

UM, AND IT SEEMS TO BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF WHAT MOST OF OUR PARTNERS NATIONWIDE ARE TURNING TO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, UM, SHELTER SERVICES.

UM, SO AGAIN, SHE WAS VERY CLEAR THAT CONGREGATE SHELTER WAS NOT PART OF THEIR MODEL.

UM, BUT, BUT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED IN AUSTIN, UM, AND THEY KNEW THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED TO BE SERVED.

SHE WAS WILLING TO RE REVERT BACK TO PROVIDING THAT FOR US, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE REQUIRING AT THIS TIME, HOW

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LARGE IT TOOK ME TO BE SURE TO KNOW THAT THAT WASN'T THE BEST PRACTICE.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY JUST CONTINUING.

AND A LOT OF WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED, UM, WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL IN THAT SPACE.

I THINK HOW LARGE ARE THE SHELTERS THAT URBAN ALCHEMY HAS, HAS MANAGED, UM, IN CALIFORNIA, ARE THEY EQUIVALENT SIZES TO, TO THE ARCH? I CAN GIVE PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT THERE, AND I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN GET THEM.

THE, THE, THE, UH, FACILITIES THAT URBAN ALCHEMY HAS OPERATED IN CALIFORNIA ARE VERY MUCH LIKE OUR PROTECTIVE LODGES OR, UM, OR OUR CURRENT BRIDGE SHELTERS.

SO MANY OF THEM IN HOTEL CONVERSIONS, I AM AWARE OF THEM HAVING TAKEN ON A FACILITY THAT, UM, HAD 250 BEDS.

SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE BED CAPACITY OF THE ARTS RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO ASK THEM FOR DETAILS ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE SHELTERS THAT THEY RUN PREVIOUSLY AND PATRICIA JOHNSON SMOTHERS WITH ALSO PUBLIC HEALTH, JUST TO KIND OF ADD ONTO THE END OF THAT, TO GIVE YOU THIS A TAD BIT.

URBAN ALCHEMY HAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE CALIFORNIA AREA.

UM, SPECIFICALLY OAKLAND, UM, HOW DOES POINT A TENDERLOIN, UH, MID-MARKET COMMUNITIES OF SAN FRANCISCO, INCLUDING SKID ROW, UH, SOUTH CENTRAL, UM, IN A CENTRAL AVENUE CORRIDOR OF DOWNTOWN VENICE, CALIFORNIA, AND THE HOLLYWOOD COMMUNITIES WITHIN THIS, IT'S THE SPACE THEY WORK IN AND MANAGE THREE TINY HOME VILLAGES, ONE SAFE SLEEP VILLAGE, WHICH IS, UM, EQUIVALENT TO A SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT.

THEY'VE ALSO MANAGED ONE HOTEL BASED SHELTER IN ONE SAFE PART PROGRAM.

AND DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC, THEY ALSO ASSIST YOU WITH THREE OTHER SAFE SLEEP VILLAGES AND ONE TUNDRA AND SHELTER.

THEY ASSISTED WITH THOSE, UM, IN THREE SHELTER AND PLAYFUL TOWNS.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

I COULDN'T CAPTURE ALL OF THAT.

IF WE ASK YOU TO MAYBE PULL THIS INTO A BUDGET Q AND A, I MEAN, NOT A BUDGET QA, UH, AN AGENDA Q AND A, UM, I MEAN, WHAT I CAPTURED WAS THEY'VE RUN THREE TINY HOME VILLAGES, ONE HOTEL BASED FACILITY, AND SOMETHING MORE LIKE A SANCTIONED CAMPGROUND.

AND I MISSED, I MISSED WHAT YOU DESCRIBED THAT AS, AND THEN SOME OTHER THINGS I DIDN'T CAPTURE AT ALL.

SO IF YOU COULD KIND OF PUT THIS INTO A ANSWER, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.

I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN HERE, THEY'VE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR YEARS.

CAN YOU, UM, I REALLY, UM, I REALLY TRUST ALL OF YOU ON HERE TO MAKE THE VERY BEST DECISION FOR AUSTIN.

SO LET ME START BY SAYING THAT, UM, AS I AM A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT, ABOUT AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS THAT YOUNG IN THIS WORK AND, AND BRAND NEW TO THIS COMMUNITY.

SO I'M SURE THOSE ARE, ARE ISSUES THAT YOU'VE WRESTLED WITH, UM, AS YOU'VE MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU HELP ME GET TO A PLACE OF MORE COMFORT BASED ON YOUR REVIEW AND YOUR, AND YOUR, UM, RESEARCH? UM, EVEN THOUGH THE YEARS MAY SEEM VERY SHORT.

UM, WE LOOKED AT THE EXTENT OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY HAVE RENDERED TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, THE COMMUNITIES THAT IT'S THERE AND WITHIN THAT FORMULA, IT MET THE NEEDS.

IT MET ACTUALLY OUR THRESHOLD AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APP FOR THE ACTUAL LETTER OF INSURANCE.

THUS, OUR D OUR, OUR REQUEST TO MOVE IS THIS REQUEST, THIS, UM, THIS, UM, OPTION FORWARD, UM, ALVIN ON DIANA OR, UM, ADRIAN, IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT, AS IT RELATES TO THE NUMBER OF YEARS OF SERVICE, I'LL JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, THEY ARE A RELATIVELY YOUNG AND A VERY QUICKLY GROWING ORGANIZATION.

UM, WE, UM, BUT WE ALSO, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A NEW PROVIDERS AND HAVE HISTORICALLY REALLY ONLY HAD ONE CONGREGATE, UM, HOUSING PROVIDER, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE CONTRACTS THAT WE ARE NOW.

SO I THINK THAT, UM, THE BREADTH OF THE EXPERIENCE IS RELEVANT.

THEY'VE THEY HAVE GROWN VERY FAST AND HAVE OPERATIONS IN MULTIPLE CITIES.

UM, I DO THINK THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, AS ADRIAN DIRECTOR STIRRUP, UH, INDICATED THIS IS A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT THAT ALLOWS US SOME TIME, UH, TO DO SOME PLANNING AND TO DO A FULL SOLICITATION FOR, UH, OUR, OUR, UH, PARTNERSHIPS GOING FORWARD INTO THE LONGTERM.

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IS EXECUTED, IT WILL BE DONE.

UM, MS. GRAY, I WILL ADD, UM, AND I'M GOING TO TEE IT UP TO SOMEONE TO REVPRO POTENTIALLY FOR YOU.

I THINK IT BEARS NOTING, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE YOUNG AND A YOUNG ORGANIZATION AND NEW TO OUR COMMUNITY THERE, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SOME OUTREACH WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE COMING IN, NOT BEING AWARE OF THE SITUATIONS OR THE PLAYERS OR THE BASE LEVEL POLITICS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND SO THEY'RE COMING IN EYES WIDE OPEN.

UM, THE TIME PERIOD IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR THAT SMOOTH TRANSITION BETWEEN FRONT STEPS.

UM, THE BOARD IS ALL IN, IN, IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

UM, AND THE SIP, OUR DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS ORGANIZATION WITH WHATEVER RESOURCES THAT WE CAN BRING TO BEAR, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHILE THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN PROVIDING THESE SERVICES FOR US, UM, UNDERSTANDING IT IS A RISK, BUT IT IS A CALCULATED RISK, WHICH WE HAVE CONSIDERED VERY CAREFULLY.

UM, ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN THIS CONTRACT? AND I MEAN, THE QUESTION BEING, IF NOT URBAN ALCHEMY, THEN WHO, WELL, THEN THAT THERE'S THE OTHER ISSUE.

AS I STATED EARLIER, THERE WAS ONLY ONE ORGANIZATION THAT EXPRESSED INTEREST IN MANAGING THE ARCH ON A TEMPORARY BASIS.

I, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CONCLUSIVE.

UM, CAN YOU HELP US JUST UNDER, THANK YOU FOR ALL THIS INFORMATION, THIS IS VERY HELPFUL.

UM, I THINK IT ALSO MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF REVIEW OR OVERSIGHT OR PROCESS YOU MIGHT ALL PUT IN PLACE, UH, UH, IN YOUR WORK WITH URBAN ALCHEMY, JUST AS, UM, YOU KNOW, REASSURANCE FOR FOLKS THAT, UM, THE KINDS OF CONCERNS THAT SOME MAY HAVE SEEN ELSEWHERE WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE HERE.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU PLAN ON DOING TO, TO, UH, HELP, UH, REVIEW THE WORK OR OVERSEE THE WORK I'LL CHIME IN THERE? UM, SO ALSO PUBLIC HEALTH, WE HAVE A VERY RIGOROUS CONTRACTING STANDARDS, UM, AND UPHOLD GRANTEES TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS ABOUT BORLA PLATE, UM, AND STANDARD EXHIBITS.

SO IN ORDER TO CONSIDER FOR FUNDING, A PAGE REQUIRES THE POTENTIAL GRANTEES TO COMPETE THIS THRESHOLD THAT OTHER REGISTER OF MENTIONED, UM, WHICH INCLUDES A REVIEW OF THE ORGANIZATION'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS, FINANCIAL PRACTICES, AND PROGRAMMATIC EXPERIENCES.

UM, THIS AGE, THIS ANNUAL PROFESSIONAL ALSO ALLOWS US TO, UM, AS AUTHOR REVIEWED BY APH IS CONTRACT SCIENCE UNIT, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY CONDUCTS AN ANNUAL ONSITE REVIEW OF THE AGENCY.

UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE, WE'RE GOING IN WITH SOME, SOME RIGOROUS REQUIREMENTS ALREADY.

UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BEATING THE CONVERSATIONS AS IT RELATES TO THEIR HIRING PRACTICE, NOT DICTATING THEIR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, BUT LEADING THE CONVERSATION.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO REVIEWED URBAN ALCHEMY AUDIT IN A COMPANY MANAGEMENT LETTER.

UM, AND IT DID NOT ANYBODY, I DID FIND ANY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS.

UM, SO WHICH ALLOWED US TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS RECOMMENDATION EACH YEAR, WE REQUIRE OUR GRANTEES TO SUBMIT THEIR FINANCIAL AUDIT, YOUR MANAGEMENT LEVEL LETTER, IF APPLICABLE, AND, UH, FORM CERTIFYING THAT THE CPA THAT CONDUCTED YOUR AUDIT PASS THEIR RESULTS TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

DIDN'T WE, WE ACTUALLY VERIFY THIS, THIS, IN THIS INFORMATION INDEPENDENTLY, UH, WITH THE CPA, UM, INFORMED, UM, THE FED HAD ACTUAL INFORMATION.

UH, WE ALSO REQUIRE OUR GRANTEES TO SUBMIT AGENCY, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE PROFILES, UH, WHICH INCLUDES EXPANDING INFORMATION ON YOUR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, THEIR BOARD OF THEIR RECORDS, GOVERNANCE, AND, UM, FINANCIAL SOLVENCY AMONG OTHER FACTORS.

SO TALK WITH ME MORE ABOUT ANY ONSITE REVIEW, AND BY THAT, I MEAN, JUST REALLY CHECKING IN ON FOLKS AND CHECKING TO SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY HOT HAPPENING WITH OPERATIONS.

HOW DO YOU DO THAT? AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE DOING THAT IT WILL BE ANY EVENT, THIS CONTRACT

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I WILL ANSWER THAT AFFIRMATIVELY THAT WE DO THAT EVENLY, UM, AS IT REALLY HOW IT'S DONE.

UM, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A PROCESS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU KIND OF MORE OF A IT'S BECAUSE IT'S VERY DETAILED AND I CAN PROVIDE JUST A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO THAT.

I GUESS I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE THAN SOONER THAN AN ANNUAL REVIEW, UM, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOUR PROCESS NEEDS TO BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO.

AND I'M JUST GIVEN THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.

IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE THAT IN THIS CASE, IF THERE'S JUST SOME ONSITE KIND OF REVIEW AND DOUBLE CHECKING THAT OCCURS AT SOME REASONABLE LEVEL, BUT CERTAINLY CERTAINLY SOONER THAN A YEAR.

UM, SO FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ASCERTAIN, MOST OF THE, UH, CONCERNS ARE AROUND THE STAFFING, UM, OF, OF URBAN ALCHEMY AND SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS, THOSE STAFF, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH HAS A RIGOROUS STANDARDS OR VENDORS WHO ARE WORKING WITH, UM, AND I CREATED AT THE TERM, BUT IT'S LEGACY, VULNERABLE POPULATIONS.

UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS AROUND THAT, AND WE DO HAVE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION REQUIREMENTS AROUND THAT.

SO THE, ALTHOUGH, UH, THERE IS HIGH MERIT TO THE MODEL THAT IS BEING EMPLOYED BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WANTING TO, UM, GIVE PURPOSE TO PEOPLE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE, UM, WORKING IN THAT SPACE.

UM, THERE WILL BE SOME DIFFERENCES, UM, BASED ON OUR CONTRACTING REQUIREMENTS HERE IN TEXAS, EXCUSE ME.

UM, UM, I'M BATTLING, UM, THE RONA.

SHE FINALLY GOT ME SOME PLEASED, EXCUSE ME.

UM, SO ALONG WITH OUR CRIMINAL BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS, AS WELL AS OUR CONTRACTING STANDARDS FOR, UH, VENDORS WORKING WITH VULNERABLE POPULATIONS WILL HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE OUT THE GATE.

UM, WE CAN WRITE INTO THE NEGOTIATIONS IN THE SCOPE OF WORK WITH THE PROVIDER, REGULAR, UM, CHECKPOINTS, UM, TO CATCH AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS THEY ARISE.

I, I DO FIND IT IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT THE CITY MANAGER, UM, WHEN THAT AN UNFORTUNATE SINGULAR INCIDENT WAS CAUGHT ON VIDEO AND THEY BOUGHT IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE LEADERSHIP OF URBAN ALCHEMY, IT WAS ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY, AND THERE WERE NOT ANY ADDITIONAL CONCERNS ON THE PART OF THE CITY.

AND SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT SAME RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'RE CLEAR OUT THE GATE ABOUT WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE AND THAT WE CAN WRITE INTO THE AGREEMENT, UM, LANGUAGE THAT MAKES THE COUNCIL FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT, UM, MORE, UH, PREVENTATIVE CHECK-INS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROCESSES ARE IN PLACE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, DIRECTOR STIRRUP, WERE YOU TALKING SPECIFICALLY THE CITY THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY? COULD YOU TELL ME WHICH CITY THAT WAS? SO-SO TOLEDO.

I WAS READING A LITTLE BIT OF THE PRESS COVERAGE OF WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED IN SALITO.

ONE OF THE, UM, CONCERNS WAS THAT THE, UM, UM, EMPLOYEES OF URBAN ALCHEMY COULDN'T BE IDENTIFIED, THEY DIDN'T WEAR ANY, UM, IDENTIFYING, UH, LIKE UNIFORMS OR JACKETS OR NAME TAGS OR ANYTHING.

ARE WE GOING TO HAVE, IF, IF, IF WE PROCEED WITH URBAN ALCHEMY, WELL, WE HAVE WAYS TO IDENTIFY THE STAFF WHO WERE THERE ABSOLUTELY INCLUDE THAT INTO THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO BE UNIFORMED.

EVERY TIME I'VE ENCOUNTERED THE STAFF, THEY HAD NICE PURPLE SHIRTS ON.

UM, SO I KNOW THEY HAVE THAT CAPACITY, SO I CAN DEFINITELY TALK TO DR.

MILLER ABOUT THAT DURING THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS.

WELL, I THINK IT WAS SPECIFICALLY THE NAME OF THE PERSON, NOT JUST IDENTIFYING, UM, OUTFITS, BUT THE ACTUAL NAME OF THE, OF THE STAFFER, MUCH LIKE WE HAVE WITH OUR IDENTITY.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR KEY CARDS THAT HAVE OUR PICTURE ON IT AND IN OUR, OUR NAMES.

AND THEN I, I, I THINK THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT DRUG USE AMONG THE STAFF MEMBERS.

WE CAN CONFIRM WITH THE VENDOR ABOUT WHAT THEIR POLICIES ARE OR A DRUG-FREE WORKPLACE, AND IF IT DOESN'T MEET OUR NEEDS, THEN WE'LL, WE CAN EITHER NEGOTIATE OR COME BACK TO COUNCIL SAYING THAT WE NEED TO MOVE INTO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING IS, IS NEGOTIABLE.

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I, I SHARE MY COLLEAGUES, UM, DISCOMFORT WITH THE SITUATION I RECOGNIZE THIS IS THE ONLY ENTITY THAT HAS STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.

THERE ARE ALSO SOME SIGNIFICANT DOWNSIDES, UH, WHICH HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED HERE TODAY THAT I'VE BEEN WALKING AROUND WITH, IN MY HEAD FOR, UH, SINCE WE FOUND OUT, UM, THAT THIS WAS THE SOLE VENDOR, UH, RESPONDING AND POTENTIALLY BEING CHOSEN.

SO I CONTINUED TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS.

I WILL SAY THAT, UM, WE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, AND THIS IS THE ENTITY, THEN WE NEED TO BE ABSOLUTELY ON TOP OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON THERE, AN ALBATROSS.

AND I KNOW, I KNOW STEPH PROBABLY SHARES THESE CONCERNS.

UH, I'M NOT SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF, OF WHAT ALL OF US WOULD HOPE FOR.

UM, SO THIS IS A DIFFICULT ONE, MAYOR WE'RE REALLY IN A DIFFICULT POSITION.

SO I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING RAISED COULD BE REMEDIED BY SIGNIFICANT OVERSIGHT BY OUR STAFF AND CAREFUL EYES ON THE SITUATION.

SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD? UM, AND MY, THANKS TO ALL OUR STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, YEAH.

IT'S STARTING TO SAY SOMETHING, UH, REGISTER UP WHERE YOU'RE ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING.

I WAS GOING TO SAY.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT OUR, I BELIEVE OUR CONTRACTS ALLOW US TO TERMINATE FOR CONVENIENCE.

IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD AND WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE FEELING THAT IT'S JUST NOT WORKING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'LL BE, IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT PROBLEM, BUT WE WON'T BE LOCKED IN FOR A 12 MONTH PERIOD.

IF THAT'S, IF WE GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE FEEL IT'S NOT WORKING, NO COUNSELOR REPLY, I HAVE THE SAME SENSE THAT YOU DO.

UH, THIS IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION IN DIFFICULT SITUATIONS.

THERE IS SELDOM, UH, A REALLY GOOD ANSWER.

THERE'S THE BEST ANSWER.

UH, AND, AND AS BEST AS I CAN TELL EVERYBODY THAT I HAVE GROWN TO TRUST AND RESPECT AND HAVE FAITH IN, IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, UH, DIRECTOR STARER, UH, DIRECTOR, GRAY, UM, UH, ECHO, UH, ED, MATT MODICA ARE ALL SUGGESTING THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR US TO GO.

AND, AND I'M NOT GONNA SUBSTITUTE MY, MY, UH, DISCRETION FOR THEIRS IN THIS INSTANCE, I'M GONNA GO WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

EVERYBODY CAN GRAB SANDWICHES.

THAT GETS US THINK THROUGH ALL OF THE PULLED ITEMS THAT WE, UH, THAT WE HAD.

IT'S THREE, IT'S 12, 15.

I SUGGEST THAT WE GIVE OURSELVES 15 MINUTES TO GRAB LUNCH, THAT WE START THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 1230.

ALL OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS ARE ALSO SET FOR THURSDAY SO WE CAN PICK THOSE THINGS UP.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO, UH, GET TO THE, UH, PARKLAND FEE DEDICATION SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT BRIEFING THAT WE GET THE BRIEFING ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL, UH, WATERFRONT, THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS HEALTHCARE RESOLUTION IS GOING TO TAKE LITERALLY TWO MINUTES.

UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE THROUGH EXECUTIVE SESSION AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE 200 ITEMS ON THURSDAY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR BREAK HERE.

LET'S CONVENE REMOTELY ON EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 1230, IF WE CAN, AND WE CAN EAT AND DO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

MY HOPE IS THAT AT ONE 30, UH, WE CAN COME BACK FOR THE PRESENTATIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN WITH THE PRESENTATION ON THE PARKLAND FEE AND NEW TO SOUTH CENTRAL, A WATERFRONT REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH, AND THEN COLLEAGUES WE'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH RESPECT TO GOING BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IS THAT WORK? YOU HAVE SOME KITCHEN.

MAYOR THERE, THE ITEM RELATED TO THE, UM, TO THE FIREARMS, UM, ISSUE.

IT'S NOT UP ON THURSDAY, BUT WE DON'T, WE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UH, BEFORE, UM, BEFORE WE MAY BE BRINGING SOME ACTION.

SO IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET TO IT, PERHAPS WE COULD INSERT INITIAL CONVERSATION THAT CAN HAPPEN FAIRLY QUICKLY.

SO IT'S, IT'S ON THE AGENDA, THE AGENDA IT'S ONLY THEN, UM, IS IT EXECUTIVE SESSION? THAT'S WHAT I MEANT, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A ITEM TO VOTE ON, ON THURSDAY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT WE CAN CONSIDER IT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION CAN GET TO IT.

IT WOULD BE GREAT.

WHAT IS A RAPID RISE IN, UH, THE CORONA VIRUS HITS AND SEEING AN INCREASE IN ABSENTEEISM, UH, BOTH IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, AS WELL AS THE WORKFORCE GENERALLY IS, UM, UH, SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE REAL SOLUTION THAT WE HAD TO THIS AND THAT WAS PEOPLE MASKING.

UH, COLLEAGUES WILL ALSO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT, UM, THE HEALTH AUTHORITY IN THE CITY, UH, HAVING TAKEN A LOOK AT, UH,

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I KNOW OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT TO GO BACK.

I'M ASKING AND HASN'T REALLY CONTEMPLATED RETURNING TO MASKING.

UH, BUT MASKING IN THIS INSTANCE SAYS IN THE MEMO THAT CAME FROM ANNE MORGAN WHILE WE WERE IN SESSION, UM, IT'S LIKE WEARING A RAINCOAT ON A RAINY DAY OR GRABBING AN UMBRELLA.

UM, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS ASKED ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, UH, WHEN THEY'RE INSIDE HERE IN CITY BUILDINGS TO CONSIDER PUTTING ON A MASK.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WHEN WE COME BACK TO OUR MEETING, I WILL BE WEARING MY MASK AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY MANAGER, JUST GIVING YOU THAT NOTICE, UH, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT AT THIS POINT.

UH, JUST, UH, A REQUEST I'M GOING TO HONOR, UH, THAT, UH, THAT REQUEST, MY SENSE WITH THE VIRUS IS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE FACING THESE INTERMITTENT AND SURGES.

THE SOONER WE CAN PUSH DOWN A SURGE, THE LONGER WE CAN ENTER INTO A PERIOD OF NOT WEARING MASKING AGAIN, AND UNTIL SOMETHING CHANGES, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT REPEATED PERIODS OF TIME.

SHORT TIMES.

MY HOPE IS, YOU KNOW, WAS JUST A WEEK OR TWO MAYBE WHERE WE'RE WEARING MASKS TO PUSH DOWN A NUMBER AGAIN, BUT THEN HOW JUST BY WEARING NOTICE THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE ME, UH, I'LL HAVE MY MASK CON COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER, MADISON.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE YOU POINTING THAT OUT.

UH, THE, UH, I'M WORKING ON MY THIRD TIME WITH, WITH, UH, BEING EXPOSED TO COVID KNOCK.

I'VE ACTUALLY GOT IT TWICE NOW.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE REMOTE AND MASKED.

SO THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

I ALSO ON A CONSIDERABLY MORE PLEASANT NOTE, WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A GREAT BIG SHOUT OUT AND CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR FORMER COLLEAGUE AND FOREVER FRIEND IN PUBLIC SERVICE.

JIMMY FLANNIGAN IS GETTING MARRIED THIS WEEK.

UM, SO CONGRATULATIONS, JIMMY AND ZACH, UH, ON YOUR UPCOMING NUPTIALS AND YOUR FOREVER, JUST, JUST REAL QUICKLY, UH, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE FULL BRIEFINGS THAT WE HAD, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, AND MAYBE WE'RE GETTING THIS AND I JUST MISSED IT, BUT IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE STAFF UPDATES ON WHERE WE WERE AS A COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY SPREAD.

SO, UM, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, THAT WE GET THAT AGAIN.

UM, AND IT CAN BE A MEMO OR WHATEVER, OR MAYBE IT'S JUST ANYWAY, SOMETHING TO, TO HELP US WITH INFORMATION WOULD BE APPRECIATED, HAPPY TO DO THAT.

INTO, UM, UH, EXECUTIVE, UH, SESSION, UM, PURSUANT TO 5, 5, 1 0 7, 1 OF THE GUMMY CODE.

AND I THINK A MEMO WOULD BE BEST FOR RIGHT NOW ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE TWO HOURS TO GIVE UP IN THE SESSION, BUT ABOUT A MEMO I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE NOW TO CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVEN'T CONSIDERED IN A LONG TIME.

AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE WELCOME NEWS TO ANYBODY, UH, WITH THAT, THEN, UH, WE'RE GOING TO GO

[E. Executive Session]

WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO IWAN AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, PURSUANT 5, 5, 1 0 7 2.

WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS REAL ESTATE MATTERS RELATED TO , WHICH IS THE HEALTH, SELF PROPERTY, UH, EXCHANGE OF INTEREST IN REAL PROPERTY.

UH, AND, UH, EXCHANGES IS REAL PROPERTY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT OBJECTION, UH, HERE AT, UH, 1225.

WE'RE IN RECESS IN 10 MINUTES.

WE'LL TRY AND GATHER BACK AGAIN.

UH, UH, THOROUGH DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE PARKLAND DEDICATION WE'RE, UH, SET ON BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

WE ARE OUT OF CLOSED SESSION, UM, HERE AT, UH, THE WORK SESSION ON JULY 26TH, UH, 2022 IN THE CITY COUNCIL BOARDING PERMISSION ROOM WHILE WE WERE IN CLOSED SESSION, WE DISCUSSED LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO, UH, UH, ITEM, UH, E ONE.

WE ALSO DISCUSSED REAL ESTATE ISSUES RELATED TO ITEMS. , UH, WE'RE NOW BACK OUT, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE, UH, SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT, UH, BRIEFING.

UM, MY HOPE IS, IS THAT WE'LL ALSO GET TO,

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UH, OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL ITEM COMING UP BEFORE US, UH, ON THURSDAY, ALTHOUGH I ANTICIPATE US NOT TAKING A VOTE ON THE COMMERCIAL ITEM ON THURSDAY, I DO EXPECT US PUTTING IT OUT ON THE AGENDA AND GIVING THE COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP, TO SPEAK ON IT WITH US IF THEY WANT TO, UM, UH, BUT NOT TAKING SOME ACTION POSTPONING ACTION.

IN ADDITION TO THAT ON SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT, UH, ACTION, WE HAVE THE, UH, UM, UH, STATESMEN POD CASE.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE US TAKING ACTION ON THE STATESMEN POD CASE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DISCUSS IT.

BUT I SEE US POSTPONING THAT TO OUR FIRST MEETING AND, UH, UH, AUGUST, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, UH, TOWARD THE END OF, UH, AUGUST.

UH, WE HAVE AT THIS POINT, COLLEAGUES, UH, ANTICIPATED, WE HAVE OVER 40 SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP MY GUESS IS WE'RE HEADED TO 60 OR MORE.

IT'S MY INTENT TO SET, UH, THE TIME FOR SPEAKERS TO ROUGHLY BE AT ABOUT AN HOUR OF SPEAKERS IN THE MORNING, AND THEN OUR SPEAKERS IN THE AFTERNOON, WE HAVE ALMOST 200 ITEMS. UM, WE TAKE, UH, TWO HOURS OUT OF THE DAY FOR SPEAKERS.

THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME TO ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF ITEMS. BUT, UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE IN NO EVENT, UH, WHERE WE HAVE SPEAKERS LESS THAN A MINUTE, BUT LET'S SEE HOW MANY SPEAKERS SHOW UP.

WE'LL POST SOMETHING TO THE MESSAGE BOARD KATHY MERITS, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD ENTERTAIN, WE WOULD HEAR FROM SPEAKERS ON THE STATESMAN TRACT AS WELL ON THURSDAY.

AND WHEN YOU SAID THERE WERE 40, 40, OR 60, I MISSED EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBER IS.

WAS THAT ON ALL ITEMS OF THE AGENDA OR SPECIFICALLY ON THE STATE, ALL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

AND WE HAVE A FIVE O'CLOCK HARD STOP CAUSE YEAH, THEY NEED TO TURN ON THE SYSTEM.

OTHER PLACES.

REPORT THIS.

YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK.

I WILL BE JOINING THE COUNCIL MEETING VIRTUALLY ON THURSDAY.

I'LL BE ATTENDING, UH, NLCS HUMAN DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING.

SO I'LL BE IN AND OUT ON VIRTUAL ON THURSDAY.

THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING OUR CITY IN THAT CONTEXT.

RONNIE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

SO, UM,

[B1. South Central Waterfront District and 305 South Congress Planned Unit Development Briefing.]

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, RODNEY GONZALEZ, MARION COUNSELOR.

YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE SECOND READING ITEMS FOR THE STATESMAN PUD WERE UNDER JUNE 18TH COUNCIL AGENDA.

UM, AND THE STATESMAN PUD ITEM WAS DISCUSSED AT THE JUNE 14TH WORK SESSION AT THAT TIME COUNCIL DECIDED TO POSTPONE THAT ITEM.

HOWEVER, THERE WAS A BRIEF DISCUSSION AMONG COUNCIL MEMBERS OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE COME FORWARD.

SPECIFICALLY, COUNSEL REQUESTED AN UPDATE ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT REGULATING PLAN INFORMATION FROM OUR CONSULTANT ECONOMIC AND PLANNING SYSTEMS REGARDING THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF THE STATESMEN PUD, A COMPARISON OF THE EPS ANALYSIS TO THE PREVIOUS 2020 ANALYSIS BY ECON NORTHWEST, UM, INFORMATION ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT TERS AS WELL AS A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF TERMS REVENUE FROM THE STATESMEN PUD, UH, TRACK SHOULD ADDITIONAL HEIGHT BE GRANTED ACCORDING TO THE STATESMAN PUG TODAY, WE HAVE STAFF FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FINANCE, HOUSING, AND PLANNING, UM, AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTANT EPS, UH, TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION FROM COUNCIL.

UM, AND AS WELL, OF COURSE, THE ITEM IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS THURSDAY.

WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR DEPUTY DIRECTOR SHE'S ON A CARBO HALL.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL I'M SUSANA DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

TODAY'S BRIEFING WILL BE ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICT AND THE STATESMAN PUD ON 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS.

I WILL START THE PRESENTATION ON THE AGENDA SLIDE.

AND WE WILL FINALIZE WITH NEXT STEPS.

WELL, BEGIN THE PRESENTATION WITH A BRIEF BACKGROUND AND OVERVIEW OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICT.

AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO FINANCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO COVER THE ESTIMATED INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND FINANCING SCENARIOS FOLLOWED WITH THE TOUR'S 19 DECISION POINTS AND FUNDING GAP HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL COVER THE REGULATING PLAN STATUS UP TO DATE AND THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS STATESMAN PUD,

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THE PURPOSE OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISION PLAN IS TO ESTABLISH A CONCEPTUAL FRAMEWORK TO ALLOW SITE-SPECIFIC BUILDING ENHANCEMENTS, TO EXCHANGE FOR ONSITE AND CITY-WIDE COMMUNITY BENEFITS.

IT LAYS OUT THE TOOLS TO GUIDE THE AREA FOR REDEVELOPMENT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

WE BEGIN THE HISTORY IN THE 1960S AND SEVENTIES WITH THE CREATION OF LADY BIRD, TOWN, LAKE, AND BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS BY THE FIRST LADY IN 1980S, THE TOWN LAKE CORRIDOR STUDY AND THE WATERFRONT OVERLAY COMBINED DISTRICT WAS CONDUCTED.

AND IN 2012 AND 2013 SUSTAINABLE PLACES, DESIGN ASSESSMENT WAS ALSO CONDUCTED 2014 THROUGH 2016.

THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND CALHFA BRIEFINGS WERE HELD.

AND IN 2016, THE GREENING OF SOUTH CENTRAL REPORT OUTLINES THE VISION.

AND ALSO, UM, IN 2016, COUNCIL ADOPTS A SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISION FRAMEWORK PLAN.

AND AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE IMAGINE, AUSTIN IN 2020, THE MODIFIED PHYSICAL FRAMEWORK OR UPDATED COSTS.

THE VISION FRAMEWORK PLAN WAS FIRST ADOPTED IN 2016 AND UPDATED IN 2020.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT AT THIS TIME, THE PROJECT CONNECTS MAJOR MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA.

IT WOULD NOT YET DETERMINED THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATER SOUNDS SUCH A WATERFRONT DISTRICT DOES INCLUDE 118 ACRES WITH 34 PRIVATELY OWNED PARCELS, AND ONLY ONE CITY OWNED A PARCEL.

IT DOES CONTEMPLATE BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING EXPANDING A STREET GRID, ADDING MILES OF SIDEWALKS AND APPROXIMATELY 17 ACRES OF PARKS, PLAZAS, AND TRAILS.

IT PROMOTES DENSITY ADDING 6.4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NEW RESIDENTIAL OFFICE RETAIL AND HOTELS BY 2040.

IT DOES CONTEMPLATE ADDING 20% AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY ADDING 575 UNITS BY 2040 MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES ARE CONTEMPLATED WITHIN THE FINANCIAL TOOLKIT, INCLUDING PRIVATE FUNDING DEVELOPMENT BONUS FEES.

FOR EXAMPLE, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT, DISTRICT AND PHILANTHROPY, PUBLIC FUNDING SOURCES DO INCLUDE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, SUCH AS BONDS PARKING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUBSIDIES.

THERE IS AN ESTIMATE, A GAP BASED ON 2020 ASSUMPTIONS BETWEEN FOUR AND 600 MILLION.

THERE IS A TRANSITION FROM BRINGING THIS CONCEPTUAL VISION TO MARKET REALITY, AND IT WILL NEED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF COMPLEX INTERRELATED SET OF POLICY AND PROGRAMMATIC TOOLS, INCLUDING FINANCIAL REGULATORY AND OPERATING TOOLS.

WE WILL HAVE TO COLLABORATE AND COORDINATE WITH PUBLIC ENTITIES SUCH AS THE HFFC AP FC, THE AEDC AND PROJECT CONNECT.

AND OF COURSE THE PRIVATE OWNERS AND THE PARTICIPATION.

AS I JUMPED INTO THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, YOU, THIS TABLE MAY LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU FROM WHEN WE WERE LAST BEFORE YOU THAT, UM, IN FEBRUARY, UM, AT THAT TIME BASED ON, UM, COST ESCALATIONS THAT WE HAD CALCULATED IN NOVEMBER OF 21, THE COST FOR THE VARIOUS INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS, INCLUDING OPEN-SPACE ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE, STREETSCAPES UTILITIES, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, AND RECLAIM WATER WERE ESTIMATED TO HAVE GROWN TO APPROXIMATELY 277 MILLION.

THERE ARE SEVERAL ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS AND VARIABLES TO KEEP IN MIND.

FEW OF THE ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS INCLUDE THE 3 0 5 SOUTH CONGRESS STATESMAN PUD, WHICH SETS THE ENTITLEMENTS FOR PROMINENT PARCELS.

THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT REGULATING PLAN SETS THE VISION BY SUBSIDY DISTRICTS AND ALLOWING OWNERS TO EVALUATE THEIR OPTIONS.

THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER 19 OFFERS DEDICATED REVENUE STREAM FOR DISTRICT ACTIVITIES AND THE DOWNTOWN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT DOES FUND THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE.

SOME VARIABLES TO CONSIDER INCLUDE THE PROJECT CONNECT THAT WILL IMPACT PORTIONS OF THE WATERFRONT DISTRICTS AND SUB DISTRICTS.

REGULATORY TOOLS ARE SET FOR DISTRICT AND SUB-DISTRICT GOALS.

THERE IS NO LEGAL PATH TO DO PARCEL BY PARCEL PLANNING.

PRIVATE OWNERS PARTICIPATION IS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY WITH MULTIPLE OPTIONS THAT MAKES THE CHURCH REVENUE UNCERTAIN.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND OPERATING PLANS DEPEND HEAVILY ON MARKET PARTICIPATION AND COORDINATION, AND THE LACK OF CITY OWNED LAND IN SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICT.

DUE TO THE FACT THAT CITY ONLY OWNS ONE PARCEL, WHICH IS THE ONE TEXAS CENTER.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL KEMO LAVARUS DEPUTY CFO.

UM,

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IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS ARE PURELY INFRASTRUCTURE.

THESE COSTS DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES FOR AEDC FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR OPERATIONS AND A MAINTENANCE OF THE VARIOUS AMENITIES, UH, THAT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD, UH, CREATE.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, SINCE THOSE UPDATES, THE 2022 MARKET FACTORS, UM, ARE REFLECTING AN EVEN GREATER, UM, COSTS INCREASE.

UM, WE HA WE'RE SEEING ESTIMATES, UH, COST INCREASES BY APPROXIMATELY 30%, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT ESTIMATE TO APPROXIMATELY 330 MILLION NEXT SLIDE.

IN PRIOR CONVERSATIONS.

WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS, WE, WE PROVIDED KIND OF A MENU OF OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT FINANCING OPTIONS FOR THE DISTRICT.

UM, THE PREVIOUSLY THOUGH, THAT LISTING WAS JUST GENERAL, IT WAS JUST A LIST.

SO WE'VE NOW WE'RE PROVIDING YOU THIS LIST WITH A GREATER SENSE OF, UH, THEIR VIABILITY, SO TO SPEAK.

SO THE TWO OPTIONS OF FINANCING DID TWO FINANCING OPTIONS THAT WOULD REQUIRE ONLY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL INCLUDES APPROPRIATIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS, CAPITAL BUDGETS, AS WELL AS TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, THE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS SUCH AS VOTER APPROVED BONDS IN THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS, A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OR MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ALL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL APPROVALS BEYOND CITY COUNCIL.

SOME WITH MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT PROCESSES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

FOR EXAMPLE, A MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT REQUIRES STATE LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL, UM, AND A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WOULD A PRI REQUIRE APPROVAL BY THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DISTRICT.

AND SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT TO THE TABLE.

THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT IS ALREADY COVERED BY THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS AN O AND M UM, ORIENTED DISTRICT.

IF WE WERE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL PID ON TOP OF THAT ONM PIT.

AND AGAIN, WOULD REQUIRE A, UH, UM, ANOTHER ENTITY TO BRING FORWARD THAT PROPOSAL.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THE TAX LEHMAN FINANCING SCENARIOS THAT WE PRESENTED IN FALL 2021 ARE STILL WHAT, UM, ARE IN PLACE, UM, FOR OUR CURRENT CONSIDERATION.

UM, WE HAD ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO YOU AN OPTION AT 46% CONTRIBUTION, WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, CONTRIBUTING ONLY THAT PROPERTY TAX REVENUE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE, BUT FOR VALUE GROWTH IN THE AREA, UM, MINUS, UH, REVENUE DEDICATED PROJECT CONNECT AND THE AUSTIN TRANSIT PARTNERSHIP.

WE ALSO PRESENTED IT TO YOU IN TWO ADDITIONAL OPTIONS WITH RIVER SOUTH AND WITHOUT THE RIVER, SOUTH, UM, AREA.

UM, THEN WE ALSO FOLLOWED IT UP WITH WHAT AN 80% CONTRIBUTION WOULD MEAN.

UM, 80% IS, UM, CONTRIBUTION.

IT'S ASSUMING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN BEING BROUGHT FORWARD LESS, THAT PORTION THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO PROJECT CONNECT ATP.

UM, SO WE HAVE A RANGE THERE OF, UM, FROM A PURE CUMULATIVE REVENUE PERSPECTIVE, UM, A RANGE OF 153.6 MILLION UP TO 290 POINT, UH, ARE UP TO 290.8 MILLION.

UM, BUT WHEN YOU THEN WANT TO LOOK AT IT FROM A DEBT CAPACITY STANDPOINT, IT REDUCES THE AVAILABLE AMOUNT IN TERMS OF PRINCIPAL DOWN TO 95.5 MILLION UP TO 180.5 MILLION MAXIMUM.

SO RIGHT NOW THE TERM IS SET AS A, WHEN, WHEN COUNCIL ESTABLISHED LETTERS, UM, AT THE VERY TAIL END OF 2021, IT WAS WITH A 0% INCREMENT CONTRIBUTION.

UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSED GOING FORWARD.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THESE TERRORS NUMBER 19 DECISION POINTS, UM, INCLUDE THE GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY BECAUSE THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT CONVERSATION ON THE DICE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO INCLUDE THE RIVER SOUTH, UM, COMPONENT PROPERTY.

UM, IF YOU DO, UH, INCLUDE IT, UH, THE GENERAL INFANT PACK IMPACT IS $13.6 MILLION OVER 20 YEARS BY INCLUDING THE TOURIST BASE, ASSUMING A 46% RECAPTURE RATE, IF YOU WERE TO GO BETWEEN THE HIGHER THAN 46 OR UP TO THE 80% AMOUNT, IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY INCREASE THAT AMOUNT, UH, OF THE GENERAL INFANT FUND IMPACT.

UM, THERE WERE ALSO DECISIONS NEEDED TO BE MADE IN TERMS OF PROJECT PRIVATIZATION.

UM, STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THE STREET NETWORK TO SEEM TO BE FOUNDATIONAL TO ACHIEVING THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISION.

UM, SO THAT WAS WHAT WE RECOMMENDED AS BEING THE FIRST PRIORITY.

UM, BUT WE ALSO

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KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS A VERY, UM, UH, GREAT INTEREST IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING INVESTMENTS IN THE AREA.

UM, SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT OPTIONS FOR TIERS TOO, SO THAT IF THE TERS IS PERFORMING AT A LEVEL GREATER THAN ANTICIPATED, WE WOULD HAVE THE PRIORITIZATION IN PLACE FOR WHERE THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS COULD BE INVESTED IF THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.

UM, WE'D ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT TAX TAX INCREMENT CONTRIBUTION RATE.

AND LIKE I NOTED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IT'S CURRENTLY SET AT 0%.

UM, SO IF, IF THE COUNCIL DESIRES TO INCREASE THAT INCREMENT, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

AND, UM, WE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, UM, TH THE GENERAL INFANT IMPACT FROM ALLOCATING NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUE TO THE TOURS, UM, THAT WOULD OCCURRED WITHOUT PUBLIC INVESTMENTS.

SO WE JUST, WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, BUT FOR, UM, VALUE GROWTH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO BOTTOM LINE, UM, THROUGH DEBT CAPACITY, IT IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO FUND THE TERS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT.

PREVIOUSLY, WE ARE ESTIMATING 277 MILLION.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A, AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF 330 MILLION, UM, THAT THERESE BONDING CAPACITY RANGE FROM 95.5 TO 180.5 MILLION, DEPENDING ON THOSE BOUNDARIES AND THAT RECAPTURE RATE.

UM, AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE COST IS ESTIMATE 330, AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE AEDC ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, UM, OR ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR O AND M.

SO THE, THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN REDUCE THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT SCOPE.

WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH DEVELOPERS TO FUND CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS.

WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THOSE OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS THAT I NOTED PREVIOUSLY, RECOGNIZING THAT THE VIABILITY IS GOING TO VARY DEPENDING ON WHICH OPTION YOU LOOK AT.

UM, WE CAN UTILIZE THAT TIERED INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN, BUT, UM, PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT, UM, THESE WERE, THESE ESTIMATES WERE DONE IN 2021.

THE MARKET HAS CHANGED THAT BEING SAID, WE, UNTIL THE REGULATING PLAN HAS BEEN COMPLETED, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO UPDATE THAT MARKET ANALYSIS BECAUSE THAT REGULATING PLAN WOULD DIRECTLY IMPACT THE, THE VALUE PROJECTIONS THAT OUR CONSULTANT WOULD BE UTILIZING TO DEVELOP THOSE VALUE PROJECTIONS.

SO THAT REGULATED PLAN IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR US, UM, TO, TO TAKE ACCOUNT FOR, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE, WE'RE GUESSING AT THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND, AND DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL, UM, BEYOND THE, THE, JUST THE, THE VISION FRAMEWORK AS IT IS.

SO NEXT UP, I'LL PASS IT OVER TO, UH, TO JERRY ON THE REGULAR PLAN.

OKAY, GOOD.

IF YOU, TO CONSOLE JURY REST RESTAURANT AND HOUSING PLANE DEPARTMENT, UM, AS YOU KNOW, IN 2016, THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISION PLAN.

UM, THIS PLAN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ENVISIONED A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY BENEFITS TO RIVING, UM, FROM DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT IN EXCHANGE FOR GREATER ENTITLEMENTS THAN WHAT THE STANDARD CODE WOULD ALLOW.

UM, IMPORTANTLY, UH, I WOULD NOTE THAT THE PLAN LOOKED AT IT FROM A DISTRICT PERSPECTIVE.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE PROPERTIES SUCH AS THE RIVER, SOUTH, OR THE SNOOPY POD, UM, THAT WERE LIMITED IN THE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT WERE PROVIDED ONSITE, BUT YET PROVIDE MONEY, UM, OR OTHER CONSIDERATION FOR COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT MIGHT BE ELSEWHERE IN THE DISTRICT.

UM, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, THE VISION PLAN, UM, AND I'LL GET TO THE REGULAR PLAN IN A MOMENT, BUT IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.

IT IS A DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, SIMILAR TO OTHER ONES THAT WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME.

AND SO WHILE THE REGULATING PLAN WOULD LAY OUT GREATER ENTITLEMENTS IN EXCHANGE FOR GREENING COMMUNITY BENEFITS, THERE WOULD NOT BE AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO, UM, TO PARTICIPATE, UM, IN THE, IN THE GREATER ENTITLEMENTS.

UM, THE REGULATING PLAN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CODIFY THE VISION PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 16 WAS ORIGINALLY GONNA BE A PART OF THE CODE NEXT EFFORT, AND THEN A PART OF THE CODE, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, REWRITE EFFORT.

WE KNOW THAT, UM, BOTH OF THOSE PROCESSES ARE NO LONGER UNDERWAY.

THEREFORE, THE STAFF IS WORKING ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL LANE PLAN AS A STANDALONE AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THIS BACK, UH, OR AT LEAST GONE THROUGH THE BOARDING COMMISSION PROCESS, UH, BY SEPTEMBER OR NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, ON THURSDAY, YOU HAVE THE STATEMENT PUD, UM, ON THE AGENDA.

THERE'S A TALK OF OTHER PUDS, UM, COMING THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, WHAT WE TALK ABOUT, UH, DEVELOPERS WITH THESE POTENTIAL PODS OR WITH THE EXISTING PROPOSED PUD OR LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO, WHATEVER IT WAS WITH THE STUPID, UM, WE DO USE THE SOUTH CENTRAL VISION PLAN, UM, AS A FRAMEWORK FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON THE PUDS.

HOPEFULLY IF WE HAVE A REGULATING PLAN IN THE FUTURE WOULD NOT BE A NEED TO DO THE BUDS ANYMORE.

WE COULD SIMPLY, THEY COULD PARTICIPATE IN THE VOLUNTARY SOUTH CENTRAL REGULATING PLAN EFFORT, AND THERE WOULD NOT BE A NEED FOR, UM, HANDLING THE CASES ON A ONE ONE-OFF BASIS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UM, AFTER FIRST READING OF THE, UH, OF THE STATESMAN PUD, THE CITY STAFF CONTRACTED WITH ECONOMIC AND PLANNING SYSTEMS, ALSO KNOWN AS EPS TO HELP US WITH AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF THE STATESMAN PUD.

UM, THEIR WORK IS BEING DONE IN TWO PHASES, THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS COMPLETE.

AND THE SECOND ONE OF WHICH IS UNDERWAY, THE FIRST PHASE LOOKS, UH, ABOUT

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ARE THINGS THAT THE OVERALL FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF AMENDMENTS, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS NOT AGREEABLE TO.

IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD 20 SOMETHING AMENDMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I THINK ANOTHER 11, UH, THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL ON FIRST READING.

UM, SO THOSE, UH, AMENDMENTS, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS NOT AGREED TO EPS HAS ASSISTED THE STAFF IN DETERMINING THE DOLLAR VALUE, UM, OF, OF THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE APPLICANT.

AND THEY ALSO, UH, UPS HAS ALSO TAKEN A LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS ECO NORTHWEST COST ESTIMATES THAT WERE DONE AS A PART OF THE, UH, EFFORT IN 2016, UPDATED IN 2020.

AND MS. ALVEREZ JUST DISCUSSED HOW, UM, UM, THOSE ITEMS, THOSE, THOSE DOLLAR FIGURES, UM, UH, WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THEM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE, UH, CHANGE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

THE SECOND STAGE OF THE WORK THAT UPS WILL BE DOING, UH, WILL BE DONE IN SEPTEMBER, AND THIS WILL ANALYZE THE OVERALL ECONOMIC IMPACT, OR I'M SORRY, THE ECONOMIC VALUE OF THE ENTITLEMENTS, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE RECEIVING AND THE OVERALL ECONOMIC VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE RECEIVING.

UH, WE DO HAVE EPS, UM, HERE TODAY VIRTUALLY, UM, TO DISCUSS THE MEMO THAT WAS, UM, ATTACHED TO THE BACKUP, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE STATESMAN ITEM.

UM, SO LUKE WILL BE GOING INTO DETAIL ON THIS HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST TO SUMMARIZE, UH, THE, THE FIRST PHASE OF THE STUDY FOUND THAT THE ECO NORTHWEST NUMBERS, AS KIMBERLY STATED ARE OUTDATED, DUE TO RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

THE STATESMAN PROJECT BY ITSELF IS NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME.

AND THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AS SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE COST OF THE PROJECT, THE RANGE OF THOSE COSTS RANGE FROM $2.7 MILLION UP TO $265.9 MILLION.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO A RODNEY GONZALEZ WHO WILL HANDLE THE NEXT STEPS MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD REAL QUICK.

I THINK THAT BEFORE, WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING THE POSTPONEMENT REQUESTS FOR THE STATESMAN, UM, THE REQUEST FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS HIS TILL SEPTEMBER 1ST, UM, IS THE REQUEST THAT'S BEFORE IT WILL BE BEFORE THE COUNCIL ON THURSDAY.

SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, THANK YOU, JERRY.

UH, JUST TO WRAP THIS UP, THIS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION BEFORE OPENING IT UP EITHER TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS OR TO THE EPS PRESENTATION.

UM, AS JERRY MENTIONED ON THURSDAY, COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING THE STATESMAN PUD, UH, ORDINANCE AND THE ORDINANCES POSTED AS BACKUP TO THOSE TWO PARTICULAR ITEMS. UM, AND JERRY ALSO COVERED THIS, A REGULATING PLAN BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER STAFF IS GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT REGULATING PLAN AND TAKING THE DRAFTS TO VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THEN KIM HAD MENTIONED ONCE THE REGULARLY REGULATING PLAN IS APPROVED BETWEEN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR AND JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR, STAFF IS GOING TO UPDATE THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE REVENUE, PROJECTION, UM, AND THAT WILL GIVE US OF COURSE, A GOOD BASELINE FOR THE REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE TOURS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, ONCE THAT'S DONE THAT WILL GIVE US A BETTER SENSE OF THE FUNDING GAP THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IDENTIFIED FOR THE VISION PLAN.

UM, KIM ALSO COVERED THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT THAT FUNDING GAP AND ALSO IDENTIFY SOME WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLOSE THAT FUNDING GAP.

UM, AND KIM LISTED THOSE VARIOUS WAYS THAT WE COULD DO THAT.

OF COURSE WE'D WANT TO DO THAT IN CONCERT AND IN DISCUSSION WITH THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT BOARD.

SO MARIN COUNCIL THAT CONCLUDES THIS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION, MAINLY RELATING TO THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY OPEN UP QUESTIONS NOW, OR WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO LUKE FELTS WITH EPS TO GO OVER THAT EPS ANALYSIS.

THE P S ANALYSIS IS WHAT EXACTLY.

SO THAT WAS THE, UH, ECONOMIC AND ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT HAD BEEN PROVIDED, UH, OR PROVIDED THROUGH THE STATESMAN PUT APPLICATION.

AND IT COMPARES, UH, THAT ANALYSIS TO THE 2020 ECON NORTHWEST ANALYSIS.

IT PRETTY MUCH SUMMARIZES WHAT COUNCIL ALREADY HAS IN FRONT OF THEM, WHICH IS THE MEMO THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE, UH, STATESMEN PET ITEMS. WHY DON'T YOU GO HEAD TO THOSE QUICKLY? SO WE HAVE THE TIME, AND I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT INFORM THE CONVERSATION OR THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FIRST PART OF THE REPORT.

CAN WE ASK SUPER QUICK ONES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE, UM, AND I'LL, I'LL TEE UP A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR EPS.

UM, JERRY, YOU SAID I MISSED THE DEAD, THE DATE.

WHEN IS THE ANALYSIS? THE SECOND PHASE OF THE REPORT EXPECTED TO BE DONE IN SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER, BEGINNING, SEPTEMBER MID.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS BEGINNING TO CONFIRM THAT WITH DPS, BUT THAT TIMING REALLY DOES NEED TO BE CUED UP WITH CONSIDERATION.

WE WOULD, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO, TO CONTINUE TAKING ACTION ON, ON THE DOCUMENT WITHOUT ON THE ZONING CASE, WITHOUT HAVING THIS INFORMATION.

AND WE'VE GOT LUKE, UH, VIRTUALLY COURSE, HE CAN ALSO HELP, UH, WITH ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.

IN 2016, UPDATED IN 2020.

AND THEN JERRY, YOU TALKED ABOUT, AND THIS QUESTION IS PROBABLY MORE FOR OUR STAFF THAN UPS.

I'M TRYING TO LINE OUT WHAT THE DIFFERENT ANALYSES, WHERE AND WHEN, AND LET ME JUST PAUSE AND SAY, THANK YOU.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME OF OUR SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT COMMISSIONERS HERE, SO THANK YOU FOR THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK.

AND THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

UM, YOU LINED OUT ON PAGE 13, WHAT SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT ANALYSES WERE THERE WAS THE ECO NORTHWEST STUDY

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UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WERE SOME OTHER ANALYSES TO WHERE DOES THE HEIM STAFF REPORT FIT INTO THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I THINK THERE WAS ONE OR TWO OTHER CONSULTANT REPORTS THAT I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

SO THE CHARLES HOUSE SOUTH, HE'S A CMR, A COUPLE OF MARKET RESEARCH.

HE IS OUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANT FOR A MARKET ANALYSIS RELATED TO TOURIST DEVELOPMENT, A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS, BUT HE, UM, HE COMPLETED HIS, HIS STUDY IN 2021.

AND THEN THE INTENT IS TO, UM, BRING HIM ON BOARD ONCE AGAIN, UH, TO UPDATE THAT REPORT BASED ON THE REGULATED PLAN WITH HIS COMPLETE, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TIME.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW THAT INFORMATION FITS INTO THIS CONVERSATION, WHETHER IT'S IN SYNC OR, UM, WHETHER THE ASSUMPTIONS AND WHAT ASSUMPTIONS HE WAS USING FOR HIS ANALYSIS.

BUT WE CAN HIT THAT IN A BIT.

I THINK I'LL ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND THEN MAYBE EPS HAS THE ANSWER.

UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN 2016 TO BEGIN THIS ANALYSIS, UM, ECO NORTHWEST WORKED WITH HOPE, I'M GETTING THE CHRONOLOGY RIGHT.

WORKED WITH ENDEAVOR TO GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THEM.

I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD.

NO, RICHARD NOW IN 2020.

HE EPS, UH, LUKE, WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK SHORTLY, DID WORK WITH ENDEAVOR ON THEIR PROPOSAL FOR THE STATION POD, BUT THE ENDEAVOR ECO NORTHWEST DID NOT WORK WITH ENDEAVOR BECAUSE AT THE TIME THEY WERE DOING THEIR WORK, WE DID NOT HAVE THE STATESMAN PUT IN FRONT OF US.

SO, UM, SO LUKE OF, OF APS, IF YOU COULD HELP US, UM, AS YOU ARE GOING THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION, COULD YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU DID WITH THE INFORMATION FROM ENDEAVOR? AND, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND, THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER CONSULTANT WHO HELPED, UM, COME UP WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS WITH THOSE.

BASICALLY, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT INFORMATION WENT INTO UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE FINANCIAL MODELING.

AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM OUR STAFF, WHETHER THERE WAS A, UM, THE ASSERTION AND I THINK THE MEMO THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE FINANCIAL MODELING THAT ECO NORTHWEST DID, I WILL, UM, ALLOW LUKE TO ADDRESS THE, UH, THE WORK THAT THE UPS WORK OF LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE ECO NORTHWEST, UM, DATA.

I THINK THAT HE CAN BETTER ADDRESS.

UM, SURE.

I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, BUT DO YOU KNOW THE, I THINK THIS REALLY IS A QUESTION FOR YOU ALL APS.

I MEAN, ON PAGE TWO, IT SAYS EPS HAS MADE THE BEST POSSIBLE ESTIMATES GIVEN THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION REGARDING THIS ANALYSIS, WITHOUT HAVING ACCESS TO THE ACTUAL ECO NORTHWEST FINANCIAL MODELING TOOL TO REVIEW DETAILED ASSUMPTIONS OR METHODOLOGIES.

THIS HAS COME UP IN OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FINANCIAL MODELING.

AND I'M NOT SURE THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK FOR US.

I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE UNABLE AS THEIR CLIENT TO ACCESS THEIR FINANCIAL MODELING TOOL TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THOSE, THOSE, UM, ASSUMPTIONS AND METHODOLOGY.

SO THOSE ARE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH VALUE WE PLACE ON THE CONCLUSIONS.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN'T BRIDGE THAT DISCONNECT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I THINK MY OFFICE HAS REACHED OUT ACTUALLY TO SEE IF WE COULD TALK WITH ECO NORTHWEST ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION REALLY FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL.

SO THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MODELING AND THE ELEMENTS TOO, BUT I'M GOING TO HOLD THEM UNTIL YOU FINISH THE NEXT PART OF OUR REPORT.

SEE IF THAT COMES OUT IN THAT ANSWER.

SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND FINISH THAT.

AND THEN WE'LL A COUPLE BACK HERE.

SOUNDS GOOD.

WE'VE GOT LUKE FELT, UH, ONLINE, READY TO PRESENT THE EPS ANALYSIS.

I SEE HERSELF THROUGH THE ECONOMIC PLANNING SYSTEMS. MY COLLEAGUE DEREK MADE IT TO IS UNABLE TO JOIN US TODAY, BUT WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THURSDAY.

WE PREPARED THE MEMO IN FRONT OF YOU ALL ENTITLED STATEMENTS ON ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, WHICH MRIS.

I REMEMBER HOPPER MADISON NEAR.

I CAN'T HEAR THE PRESENTER.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN HEAR HIM BETTER IN THE ROOM THERE, BUT VIRTUALLY I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

HI.

SO LET'S TEST THAT FOR A SECOND.

AND THE PERSON ON THE SPEAKER, CAN YOU COUNT A FIVE? YOU WERE BURNED TO ME.

WELL, AND 2, 3, 4, 5.

CAN I SERVE A HARPER? MADISON? COULD YOU HEAR HIM COUNT TO FIVE? SURE.

IN THEORY, IF, IF HIS VOLUME WAS A SCALE OF ONE TO 10 WITH ONE BEING THE LOWEST, HE'D BE AT TWO FOR ME.

I'LL KEEP TINKERING ON MY SIDE, JUST IN CASE IT'S USER ERROR.

IF HE GOES BELOW TWO OR YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND HIM, SPEAK UP,

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PLEASE.

GO AHEAD AND PLEASE SPEAK LOUDLY.

WHEN YOU TALK TO, TO MANUALLY GET ABOVE TWO, I'LL TRY TO PROJECT.

UM, OKAY.

SO, UH, A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING, UH, OFF THE BAT, I WAS TOLD THAT THE COPY OF THE, UH, MEMO THAT WAS UPLOADED IN THE BACKUP FOR THE STATEMENT AFTER THE REPORT, A NEW COPIES REPORT WILL BE DISTRIBUTED.

THE ONLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO IS THE WORD, DRAFT, EVERYTHING OUT WITH ALL THE FINDINGS.

THE NUMBERS IS ALL THE SAME.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, AS I'M SURE WE'RE ALL DATING, BUT AT THE OH FIVE CHILD CONGRESS, UM, PROPOSED THE THREE AND A HALF MILLION SQUARE FOOT MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE LAKE, UH, REPRESENTING ABOUT 20% OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICTS AREA.

UH, YET THE BACKHAND SIDE, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO FINANCIAL ANALYSES, JOHN THAT WE'VE BEEN REFERRING TO ALREADY, UH, BY CONSULTANTS THAT EQUAL NORTHWEST ONE IN 2016 AND A FOLLOWUP IN 2020, UH, THE MOST RECENT OF WHICH SUGGESTED A FUNDING AFTER THE STATESMAN PUD PROJECT OF ABOUT $146 MILLION EARLIER THIS YEAR, UH, AFTER CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE REJOINING FOR THE SITE, UH, WITH THE NUMBER OF AMENDMENT REQUEST INCLUDED AS JERRY HAS ALREADY REFERRED TO, UH, THE DEVELOPER IDENTIFIED, FIX THOSE, THE AMENDMENT REQUEST THAT THEY COULD NOT AGREE TO ON THE BASIS THAT THE PROJECT COULD NOT BEAR THE ADDITIONAL COSTS OF THOSE ITEMS. UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF OUR EPS IS A PHASE ONE TO FIVE MINUTES THREEFOLD.

THE FIRST ACT WITH THE UPDATE, THE 2020 ECO NORTHWEST FINDINGS USING CURRENT MARKET ECONOMICS TO DETERMINE IF THAT PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED $146 MILLION FUNDING GAP HAS CHANGED AT ALL, AS WE'VE NOTED, THE MARKET HAS CHANGED, UH, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, THE SECOND TASK WAS TO MAKE A CALL, UH, TO THE, TO THE PROJECT, UM, OF THE FIXED AMENDMENT REQUIRED ITEMS THAT THE DEVELOPER DID NOT AGREE TO.

AND THEN THIRD, UM, ESTIMATE THE VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT ARE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE PUPPET AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.

NOW WE IDENTIFIED SIX COMMUNITY BENEFITS IN THE POD PROPOSAL ON THE BASIS THAT THESE WERE NON-COMPULSORY INCLUSION BY THE DEVELOPER THAT WERE ABOVE AND BEYOND, OR IS SUPERIOR TO WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, UH, WE TOOK THE FINDINGS OF THE 20, 20 AN HOUR AND INCREASE THE VALUE SIDE AND THE COST SIDE TO REFLECT, UH, THE MARKET CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THAT STUDY WAS COMPLETED.

OFTEN WE FOUND THAT, WOW, THE VALUE SIDE METRICS HAVE INDEED INCREASED IN THE INTERIM, UH, THAT CURRENT MARKET ECONOMICS PROJECTED COSTS HAVE INCREASED EVEN MORE, UM, WHICH SUGGEST THAT INCREASE IN THAT, UH, FUNDING GAP.

WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.

NOW, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AS WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, THAT IN THIS CURRENT PHASE OF WORK, UH, WE AT EPA DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO LIKE THE SORT OF, OR WORKING IN THE PRO FORM OF MODELING OF ECO NORTHWEST DON'T, UH, NOR HAVE WE RECREATED THE FORM OF MODELING FROM THE GROUND UP, UM, GIVEN TIMING CONSTRAINTS, IT'S FIRST DO THE WORK TO BUILD UPON THEIR ANALYSIS AND APPLY THE BEST AVAILABLE, UH, UPDATED DATA FROM INDUSTRY STANDARD SOURCES ON THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UM, YEAH, SO, UH, THIS SORT OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE FINDINGS OF OUR FIRST PAGE THAT PROBABLY GETS, UH, YOU KNOW, RENT RENT RATE, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, AS WELL AS PRIDE POINTS FOR A CONDO.

A UNIT HAVE INCREASED A BIT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE CONSTRUCTION COST INCREASES WITHOUT PAYING THEM, UH, WHICH INCREASED THE FUNDING GAP NOW AS COMPARED TO 2020.

UM, AND FROM THE ONE 40 PICKS EARLIER, THE, THE, THE SORT OF YELLOW BROWN BOX THERE HIGHLIGHTING THE, OUR ESTIMATED RANGE OF THE PROJECT SHORTFALL IS NOW GONE TO BETWEEN 238 MILLION TO ABOUT 400 MILLION.

UH, I WILL NOTE THAT, UH, ALL OF THE TABLES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE MEMO, THE DETAILED TABLES OF HOW WE CAME UP WITH ALL THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE APPENDIX OF THE SLIDE SHOW.

SO IF ANYONE AT THE END HAS QUESTIONED ABOUT THE BIG NUMBERS, UH, WE CAN GET INTO THE DETAILED, UH, AT THAT POINT.

DEMONSTRATE THAT THE PROJECT APPEARS IN FEASIBLE PRIOR TO THE ADDITION OF ANY OF THESE AMENDMENT REQUESTS, EACH WOULD SEND THE PROJECT FURTHER INTO AND FEASIBILITY AND INCREASED, UH, THAT IDENTIFIED FUNDING GAP.

THE SECOND TASK WAS TO ESTIMATE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DICK'S REQUEST, UH, TO WHICH THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT AGREED.

UM, AND THEY'RE ALL LISTED HERE.

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THESE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS ARE NOT ALL NECESSARILY ADDITIVE AS THREE OF THEM.

UH, THE ONES WITH THE ASTERISKS THAT THE PP 14 PT 21 AND 18, AND, UH, THEY REFLECT A MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ALTERNATIVE REGARDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UH, SO THE RESULTS SHOWN HERE, UH, DEMONSTRATE THE WIDE RANGE OF COST ASSOCIATED WITH THESE AMENDMENTS FROM THE LOWEST, THE PTC 15, UH, ACCLIMATED TO COST ABOUT $2.7 MILLION TO, UM, BEAT THE 21, WHICH IS COMMITTED TO COST OVER $250 MILLION, UH, IN THE PREVIOUS TASK, UH, TENNIS ONE

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ALTHOUGH THE EXTENT TO WHICH EACH REQUEST WOULD INCREASE THAT GAP, AS YOU CAN SEE VERY CONSIDERABLY, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THE THIRD AND FINAL ITEM WE EXAMINED IN THAT PHASE, THE COST ESTIMATION OF THE THICK COMMUNITY BENEFITS WE IDENTIFIED IN THE PROPOSED FUND.

UH, THEY WERE DETERMINED TO BE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, BECAUSE THEY REPRESENT NON-COMPULSORY BEYOND THE BASELINE REQUIREMENT.

AND SO WE IDENTIFIED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM, THE AFFORDABLE COMMERCIAL PROGRAM, OR THE UNDERGROUND PARKING, AS OPPOSED TO ABOVE GROUND PARKING.

UM, THE PARKLAND THAT IS PARKED ON THE DEDICATION AND IMPROVING FEE THAT ARE SUPERIOR TO WHAT A NORMAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE PAID, AND THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER UNIT AND PER HOTEL ROOM, THE DEVELOPER HAD TO AGREED TO, UM, THE FIFTH ONE IS PARKLAND, EASEMENT MAINTENANCE COST.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS DEDICATION TO RIGHT AWAY FOR THE BARTON SPRINGS EXTENSION PROJECT.

SHE'S AN IMPROVEMENT, UM, IDENTIFIED IN THE TIA, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT, UH, ANALYSIS, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, UH, AS SHOWN WE HAVE TO MAKE THE TOTAL COST TO THE PROJECT OF THESE ITEMS TO BE IN THE RANGE OF 118 TO 180 MILLION.

AND AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE DEEP MILK TABLE FOR EACH ITEM ARE INCLUDED IN THE APPENDIX TO THE SLIDE DECK IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING OUR METHODOLOGY IN CALCULATING THESE COST ESTIMATES, UH, BUT THE, OUR, UH, OUR RESULT FOR WHAT EACH OF THESE WOULD, UM, OFF THE DEVELOPER, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, UH, TO CONCLUDE OUR PHASE ONE FINDINGS, UH, FIRST BASED ON CURRENT MARKET CONDITION AS JERRY DATED, BEFORE THE PROJECT APPEARS TO HAVE AN EVEN GREATER FUNDING SHORTFALL THAN IT DID, ACCORDING TO THE 2020 ANALYSIS.

AGAIN, WHILE EACH AMENDMENT REQUEST WOULD INCREASE THE ALREADY EXISTING PROJECT FUNDING GAP, THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF HOW GREAT OF AN ADDITIONAL COST BURDEN EACH ITEM WOULD REPRESENT.

AND THEN THIRD, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROJECT AS IT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.

THEY'RE ESTIMATED TO COST THE PROJECT BETWEEN 118 AND $180 MILLION.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO NEXT STEPS ARE PAID TO ANALYSIS THAT THE CITY'S REQUESTS WOULD INCLUDE A MORE THOROUGH, UH, IN-DEPTH LOOK AT THE OVERALL PROJECT ECONOMICS, INCLUDING THE VALUES, THE COT WITH HOW YOU LIFT GENERATED BY THE PUD AND THE PRODUCT, THE ABILITY TO BEAR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY BENEFIT, UH, ALONG THE WAY, UH, IN ESTIMATION OF THE VALUE DIFFERENTIAL CREATED BY THE ADDITIONAL 125 FEET AND BUILDING HEIGHT CONTEMPLATED IN THE PUD, UH, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT AND THAT DEMAND OF THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUES THAT THE CITY MIGHT EXPECT HER STEVE, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT HEIGHT INCREASE, UH, BILL THAT CAN INCLUDE THE PREPARED SLIDES.

AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'D BE HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER.

OKAY, IS THAT THE PRESENTATION? THAT IS OKAY.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK GOING BACK PRIMARILY TO THE, TO THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE ANALYZING WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY, THE, THE STATESMAN POD.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN CONTEXT.

AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO PUT THAT IN CONTEXT, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW TO BE BUILT ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND IT, AND MY BEST GUIDANCE FOR WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT RIGHT NOW IS THE VISION PLAN, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A HIGH LEVEL PLAN, BUT AT LEAST IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THE REGULATING PLAN WILL GIVE A LOT MORE DEFINITION TO THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO A REGULATING PLAN.

AND THERE'VE BEEN THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THE REGULATING PLAN FOR, FOR SOME TIME IN PART TO BE ABLE TO, TO REALLY BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THIS POD APPLICATION AND, AND THE OTHERS THAT SEEM TO BE COMING RIGHT BEHIND IT.

SO I THINK THAT GETTING THE REGULATING PLAN OUT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

ALTERNATIVELY, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME BECAUSE OF WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR A REGULATING PLAN.

THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO BE AMENDING THE VISION PLAN IF THAT'S A, A BETTER WAY TO DO THAT OR LOOKING AT THAT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A NECESSARY THING TO DO.

WHAT I'M MOST INTERESTED IN AS I'VE RAISED IS THE QUESTION OF ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK WE LIVE IN A VERY DIFFERENT WORLD TODAY AS CONCERNS, HEIGHT, AND WHEN THE VISION PLAN WAS, WAS DONE, UH, WHEN THE VISION PLAN WAS DONE, THE THREE HIGH CATEGORIES, I THINK WERE, EACH OF THEM WERE TWO TO 300 FEET LOWER THAN WHAT I THINK WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THE COUNCIL TODAY.

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AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A DESIRE FOR THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN TO MORE TRACK WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE OTHER PART OF DOWNTOWN THAT'S ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER.

SO AT WHAT POINT DO, DOES THAT DISCUSSION COME BACK TO US ABOUT WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE HEIGHT? AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION IN PART, BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THE STATESMAN POD AND WHAT'S ALLOWED THERE, BUT ALSO WHAT WE EXPECT THE STATESMAN TRACK TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO THE, TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A REALLY BIG GAP BETWEEN THE CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT I THINK THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HAVE IN THAT AREA.

AND THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE BRIDGE THAT GAP? AND THAT'S A GAP THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE, UH, HELPING TO UNDERWRITE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE WANT TO HAVE AND WHAT I DON'T HAVE A FEEL FOR.

AND MAYBE YOU WILL DO IS WHAT IS THE, THE QUANTUM, THE MAGNITUDE, UH, OF, OF DIFFERENCE IN WHAT CAN BE GENERATED FROM A TIF.

IF THE BUILDING HEIGHTS WERE 300 FEET, EACH CATEGORY OF BUILDING HEIGHT WAS 300 FEET TALLER THAN WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED BACK WHEN THE VISION PLAN WAS DONE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE WORK THAT WAS DONE IN 2010 TO, TO 2014, I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT IT WILL BE HIGHER, BUT HOW MUCH HIGHER? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, WHEN IT WAS DESCRIBED EARLIER, IT WAS LOOKING AT WHETHER THE HEIGHT SHOULD CHANGE ON THIS TRACK, BUT I, BUT IT'S MORE THAN THIS TRACK IS WHAT HAPPENS IF THE HEIGHT CHANGES IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT IN, IN THE 30 OR SO PROPERTIES, UH, IN THAT AREA, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, TO THE, TO THE TURF THAT BECOMES A THRESHOLD QUESTION FOR ME.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DECIDE ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COME AFTER THAT WITHOUT KNOWING THAT PIECE, BECAUSE THAT PIECE COULD IMPACT THE DECISION EACH OF THE LEADER DECISIONS IN EACH OF THEIR DECISIONS ON EACH OF THE PROPERTIES.

SO HOW ARE WE DOING ON THAT ANALYSIS? UH, SOME AIR I'M GOING TO ALSO LEAN ON KIM, UH, TO ASSIST WITH ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WE'VE CERTAINLY, UH, AND HER ASSISTANTS WOULD BE WITH THE CHARLES HOLMES HAT STEADY AND HOW HE LOOKS AT THE TERMS, TREADMILL COMPUTATION.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THAT DIVISION PLAN, UM, DEFINES OR TALKS ABOUT SOME HEIGHT WITH REGARD TO SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGH THAT CHARLES HIMSELF DOESN'T LOOK AT THE HEIGHT, BUT RATHER THE DEVELOPABLE AREA WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

SO NOT A PARCEL BY PARCEL BASIS.

AND SO THE ANALYSIS THAT'S IN FRONT OF US IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAS SUBMITTED TO US IN THE PET APPLICATION, WHICH TO US IS WHAT CAN BE SUPPORTED BY THE MARKET.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE APPLICATION, WHICH IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THE MARKET CAN SUPPORT YOUR QUESTION, WHICH IS WHICH IT SEEMS TO IMPLY, OKAY, CAN WE COMPUTE SOMETHING HIGHER THAN WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAS SUBMITTED IN THE PUTT APPLICATION? THAT TO US IS NOT AN INDICATION OF WHAT THE MARKET WOULD SUPPORT.

SO WE COULD CERTAINLY COMPUTE HEIGHTS GOING UP FURTHER, BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT VALUE NECESSARILY IS A NUMBER THAT YOU CAN RELY UPON FOR ASSESSING EITHER THE STATESMAN PUD OR SOUTH CENTRAL, WHAT WE BELIEVE YOU CAN SEE, WHAT WE BELIEVE IS, UH, INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN RELY UPON IS MARKET SUPPORTED DATA, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN THE STATE STATESMEN PART, THE APPLICATION.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KIM TO SEE IF SHE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER.

ANALYSIS, IT WAS BASED ON THE FRAMEWORK AS IT EXISTED, EXIST IN THE CURRENT SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISION, UM, WITH THE REGULATING PLAN, SINCE THAT WOULD PROVIDE MUCH CLEARER, CLEARER AND UPDATED DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, UM, THAT WOULD BE USED NOW UNDER THE CURRENT MARKET CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT WOULD PROVIDE HIM THE, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A MUCH IMPROVED ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE MARKET, THE ABSORPTION CAPABILITIES AND THE, UM, THE MARKET VALUE WOULD BE.

SO WHAT RODNEY SPOKE TO REGARDING A PARCEL BY PARCEL VERSUS THE, THE AREA AS A WHOLE IS CORRECT.

SO WHEN CHARLES DOES HIS WORK, HE DOES NOT LOOK AT THINGS ON A PARCEL BY PARCEL BASIS.

IT'S BASED ON WHAT THE ABSORPTION CAPABILITY, UM, BASED ON THE MARKET, UM, IS FOR THE AREA AS A WHOLE, UM, THE ONLY TIME THAT HE WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDER CONSIDERATION VERY SPECIFIC HEIGHTS AND PLANS FOR A CERTAIN PARCEL OR, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS IF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS INKED.

LIKE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE STATESMEN POD WERE INKED READY TO GO, THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE READY TO START, UH, ON CONSTRUCTION.

THEN HE WOULD TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

BUT WHEN IT'S A QUESTION MARK, TO BE DETERMINED, HE WON'T, HE WON'T TAKE, HE WON'T GUESS ON WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS THERE.

UM, WHEN HE DID HIS WORK FOR THE ORIGINAL

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AND THEREFORE WE, AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THOSE NUMBERS AND NEVER COME UP WITH THE TOUR'S REVENUE.

SO HOW SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE FIGURING OUT, HOW MUCH DEPTH THE TIF CAN SERVICE IT.

PART OF THAT EQUATION IS FIGURING OUT WHAT THE MARKET VALUE IS, LAND COVERED BY THE TIF.

NO, YES, NO, ISN'T IT.

I'M SORRY.

CAN YOU SAY THE PART AGAIN, ISN'T PART OF THE ANALYSIS TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH REVENUE THE TIFF WOULD CREATE TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT THE VALUE OF THE REAL ESTATE IS THAT IS COVERED BY THE TIFF IN THE RELEVANT REAL ESTATE, IN THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA CONTAINED WITHIN, UH, THE FINANCE DISTRICT.

THEY, THEY LOOK AT THE CURRENT VALUES OF THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE ZONE, FOR SURE.

CORRECT.

AND THEN, BUT THEY ALSO COULD PICTURE A FACTOR IN THE BUFFER AND THEY SAY, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SPEND THE CAPITAL TO BUILD THE GRID, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEREFORE THE MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IN THAT AREA INCREASES.

YES, NO, YEAH.

IT, YES.

IT'S ASSUMING A PUBLIC INVESTMENT.

CAN YOU SAY THAT TO ME AGAIN, MAKE IT EASY FOR ME TO FIND I'D APPRECIATE IT OR LINK.

IF I'M ASSUMING THAT IF I'M SO SOMEONE AT SOME POINT THEN AS PART OF THAT EQUATION IS NECESSARILY CALCULATING WHAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS WITH THE ADDITIONAL CAPITAL AND PUBLIC INVESTMENT.

DOESN'T THAT VALUE IN PART D UH, DEPENDENT ON WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS ARE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES? DOESN'T THAT DEPEND ON THE DETERMINATION OF IF A TRASH CAN, IS, IS ALLOWED TO BUILD TWICE AS HIGH.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A HIGHER MARKET VALUE.

THEN, THEN, THEN THE TRACKS OF LAND, THEY CAN ONLY BUILD HALF AS TALL.

IT WOULD BE WITH THE REGULATING PLAN.

IT WOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT HEIGHTS WOULD BE ALLOWABLE UNDER THAT PLAN.

HOWEVER, IT WOULD ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT JUST BY ALLOWING THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT HEIGHT TO BE DEPENDING ON THE MARKET CONDITIONS.

SO IT'S TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT MARKET VALUE IS GOING TO HAVE A MARKET VALUE DEFINITION.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE PRICE.

A WILLING BUYER WOULD PAY A WILLING SELLER TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE USES THAT ARE FORESEEABLE AND REASONABLE IN THE MARKETPLACE.

DOESN'T THIS KNOW THAT ANYTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IN THAT EQUATION, SOMEBODY, IT SEEMS TO ME HAS MADE A DETERMINATION, HAS TO HAVE MADE A DETERMINATION AS TO THE MARKET VALUE OF THE IN FACT, THE WHOLE, BUT FOR IS THE DELTA IN MARKET VALUE, UH, OF THE PROPERTIES BASED ON ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS.

SO SOMEONE HAS SAID, IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING IN TERMS OF, UH, THE CAP OF PUBLIC INVESTMENT, YOU GET THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IF YOU DO CAPITAL SPEND, YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE ENTITLEMENTS.

LAND'S GOING TO HAVE GREATER VALUE.

AND THEREFORE THE AD VALOREM TAX GENERATED WILL BE GREATER.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE SPREAD.

SO SOMEBODY MADE A DETERMINATION ON THE VALUE OF THOSE INCREASED ENTITLEMENTS.

MARIJUANA MIGHT HELP WITH THE CONVERSATION IS IF WE GET YOUR LIST OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT CHARLES HEMSATH USES, WHEN HE DETERMINES THOSE REVENUES, AND THAT, THAT MIGHT HELP COUNSEL WITH UNDERSTANDING THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE.

AND THEN, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND IF YOU COULD TARGET THAT TO SAY, THEN WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF WE THEN SAID, RATHER THAN ASSUMING ASSUMPTION A WITH RESPECT TO D ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS, WHAT IF YOU WERE TO ASSUME TWICE THE ENTITLEMENTS WOULD YOUR NUMBER CHANGE AND WOULD YOUR CALCULATION FOLLOW THE SAME THING? LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT HE USES AND THEN, AND THEN SEE WHAT TWEAKS, IF ANY, UH, YOU'RE REFERENCING, UH, ACCORDING TO THOSE ASSUMPTIONS THAT HE'S MADE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND, AND, AND ALSO JUST IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE WE'RE PREPARING THAT KIND OF SUMMARY INFORMATION IN THE DECEMBER 21ST, 2021 BACKUP FOR ESTABLISHING THE TOURS, HIS MARKET ANALYSIS REPORT, JUST QUITE LENGTHY, UM, IS INCLUDED IN THAT BACKUP.

IF YOU WANT TO DIG THROUGH THAT,

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AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAVEN'T HAD AN ALTERNATIVE OVER TO COLLEAGUES IS WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE WRITTEN EDITORIALS IN THE STATESMEN OR OTHERWISE ARGUING THAT IF WE CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE GIVING MONEY AWAY TO, UM, TO DEVELOPERS.

AND, AND, AND WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM, FROM LISTENING TO YOU GUYS IS, IS NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE THAT ENABLES US TO GET THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS IN AN AREA.

UH, IF WE DON'T MAKE THAT CONTRIBUTION, WE GET A DIFFERENT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE DELTA BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS IS THE, BUT FOUR IS THE ADDITIONAL VALUE THAT GENERATES THE ADDITIONAL AD VALOREM TAX VALUE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE COULD GET A PRESENTATION THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN WHAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE AD VALOREM TAX VALUE.

IF WE DON'T MAKE CAPITAL INVESTMENT VERSUS WHAT IS THE AVERAGE TERM TAX VALUE AND, AND WHAT WE GET IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, IF WE DO MAKE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT INVESTMENT GOES TO.

WELL, I HAVE TO TALK WITH CHARLES TIME SET, BECAUSE AS KIM HAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ANALYSIS ISN'T PARCEL BY PARCEL IT'S ON THE DISTRICT.

AND SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS TO WHAT CARVE OUT COULD BE DONE.

UM, IF THE STATE'S BEEN ALLOWED TO DEVELOP AT THE HEIGHT THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING WHAT MAY ALSO HELP COUNSEL, AND THIS IS THE SECOND PHASE OF THE APS REPORT IS WHAT WE CALL THE GET, GIVE ANALYSIS, WHICH IS THAT, WHAT IS COUNCIL GIVING IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, BENEFITS, AND VALUE, UM, AS COMPARED TO WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY GETTING IN TERMS OF THE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT? AND SO SOME OF THOSE YOU HEARD FROM LUKE, THE VALUE OF THOSE PUBLIC BENEFITS.

UM, AND SO HE'S ALSO GOING TO ANALYZE WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENT VALUE IS.

THAT WOULD BE QUOTE UNQUOTE, GIVEN TO THE DEVELOPER THROUGH THE PUD APPLICATION.

FURTHER QUESTIONS, VERY PRO TEM.

OF DECISIONS, AND TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, UNDER THE PROPOSED PUD, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PROJECT CONNECT BLUE LINE WOULD BE GOING THROUGH THE STATESMEN PUD.

UM, I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION FOR LUKE.

UM, WHAT IS THE ASSUMED RATE OF RETURN FOR THE DEVELOPER IN THE EPS STUDY FOR THE STATESMAN FOR, YEAH.

SO FOR THIS BASE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

UM, WHAT WE DID AND WHAT DESCRIBED IN THE MEMO IS WE TOOK, UH, THE FINDINGS.

WE TOOK THE TOTAL CLOCK, THE TOTAL VALUE, AND THEN THAT IMPLIED THAT, UH, UH, FUNDING SHORTFALL BETWEEN THE TWO FOR THE PATIENT POD.

AND THEN WE APPLIED THESE MARKET VALUE SIDE METRICS AND COST SIDE METRICS TO THOSE THE, HOW THAT CHANGED.

SO WE DIDN'T GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL WITH FACE.

I THINK THAT'S RELEVANT FOR US AS WE'RE TRYING TO ASSESS, UM, THIS TRADE-OFF, IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RATE OF RETURN THAT'S ASSUMED UNDER, UM, THE COST STRUCTURE, I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

UM, AND I LIKE TO SEE US BETTER, BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THAT COULD BE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION THAT'S BEFORE US AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING US IS, YOU KNOW, THIS QUESTION AS TO, TO WHETHER THESE INVESTMENTS ARE REALLY GOING TO LINE THE POCKETS OF DEVELOPERS, UM, OR WHETHER THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND AN IMPORTANT PART OF DOWNTOWN.

BUT, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO ASSESS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THAT RATE OF RETURN, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THOSE NUMBER, I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S JUST CAPTURED IN THE COST STRUCTURE.

I MEAN, CAUSE IT COULD BE THAT THE RATE OF RETURN WENT UP 30% IN THAT PERIOD TOO, BY THE WAY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR NUMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER, IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO DOWN THAT PATH AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD ASK THE DEVELOPER WHAT THEIR RATE OF RETURN IS AND THEY COULD GIVE US THAT INFORMATION.

UM, THEN THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL WANTS US TO THAT DATA AS WELL.

THE VERIFICATION WE WOULD USE EPS TO GO THROUGH THE PROFORMA THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS.

UM, IT WOULD BE AN OPEN BOOK PROFORMA WHERE WE WOULD ASSESS ALL OF THEIR REVENUES AND COST ESTIMATES AND PUT OUR EYE TOWARDS IT AND AFFIRM WHETHER OR NOT THAT A RATE OF RETURN IS, IS, UH, VERIFIABLE.

SO WE COULD CERTAINLY ASK THAT QUESTION OF RATE OF RETURN, BUT THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO GO THROUGH THAT ADDITIONAL STEP OF REVIEWING THEIR PROFORMA TO VERIFY THAT RATE OF RETURN, UM, IN A PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME AND RESOURCE INTENSITY THAT THAT INVOLVES, BUT I, BUT I DO THINK THAT ABSENT THAT KNOWLEDGE IS GOING TO BE REALLY HARD FOR US TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING RAISED ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS A GOOD PUBLIC POLICY, UM, SET

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UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE OFFERING AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT OR ARE THEY ANTICIPATING BEING PAID BY ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY ATP FOR THE LAND THAT WOULD BE USED FOR, FOR THE BLUE LINE? SO COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW IS FOR ABOUT A THIRD OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE LAKEFRONT TO BE DEDICATED TOWARDS PARKLAND.

UM, RIGHT NOW THE STATION IS NO LONGER CONTEMPLATED FOR BEING ON THE STATESMAN PROPERTY, ALSO KNOWN AS HIS FUTURE PARKLAND RIGHT NOW, THE STATION'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

SOUTH IS THE PLAN, BUT THE BRIDGE STRUCTURE NEEDED TO CROSS TOWN LAKE WILL BE, UH, ON THIS SECTION.

SO THE PLAN RIGHT NOW, THE PROPOSAL THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL WITH THE APPLICATION IS THAT THE SIX AND A HALF ACRES THERE ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL PARKLAND, A PORTION OF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE USED FOR THIS BRIDGE STRUCTURE GOING OVER TO THE LAKE.

UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT AND HIS STAFF HAVE WORKED OUT IN AGREEMENT IS THAT THE PORTION OF THAT PARKLAND THAT WOULD NOW BE USED FOR ATP INSTEAD OF PARKLAND AND ALL THIS WOULD BE WORKED OUT PRIOR TO ACTUALLY BECOMING DEDICATED PARKLAND, TO AVOID THE CHAPTER 26 ISSUE.

UM, ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THAT AREA IS, WHICH WE DON'T YET, BECAUSE ATP IS NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG IN ENGINEERING, BUT ONCE WE KNOW THAT PORTION WHERE WE'RE CONTEMPLATING THAT THERE WILL BE A PORTION OF THE SIX AND A HALF ACRES OF PARKLAND THAT WOULD INSTEAD BE USED FOR ATP FOR THE BRIDGE.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO PAY THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE FOR THE AREA THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THE BRIDGE INSTEAD OF BECOMING A PART OF THE DEDICATED PARKLAND.

SO THEY WOULD STILL GIVE THE PROPERTY TO THE CITY.

UM, THE CITY WOULD PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE DDA TO ATP.

UM, BUT WE'RE ALL ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO HAVE THAT SIX AND A HALF ACRES.

A PORTION OF THAT I WOULD IMAGINE NO MORE THAN ONE, BUT PROBABLY LESS THAN THAT, UM, OF THE ACREAGE WOULD ACTUALLY BE USED FOR THE BRIDGE.

AND SO THEY WILL PAY US THE PARKING DEDICATION FOR YOU TO MAKE UP THE FACT THAT IT'S NOW BEING USED FOR THE BRIDGE INSTEAD OF PARKWAY, BUT THAT'S THE PLAN.

I WILL, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL LET OTHER PEOPLE, COULD I FOLLOW UP OR, UM, OF COURSE THIS IS AN UNKNOWN, SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT, UM, I GUESS THE TIMING, I'LL BE CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE TIMING OF, ABOUT THE APPROACH THAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, UM, UH, ADP HAS NOW INDICATED THAT THEIR ORIGINAL TIMELINE FOR, FOR, UM, CLARITY AND DECISION-MAKING ABOUT EXACTLY WHERE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, HOW THE CROSSING OF THE, OF THE RIVER WOULD TAKE PLACE IS SOMETHING THEY'RE RETHINKING RIGHT NOW.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE TIMELINE YET, EXCEPT THAT IT COULD GET PUSHED BACK THE WHOLE DECISION MAKING PROCESS FOR ALL ASPECTS OF IT COULD GET PUSHED BACK TO THE SPRING, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IMPACTS THAT THE TIMING.

SO I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT A LATER TIMEFRAME FOR, FOR DEFINITIVELY ANSWERING THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS NEEDED FOR LAND ACROSS THE RIVER.

I DON'T, I, I'M NOT CLEAR ON HOW THAT IMPACTS WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO APPROVE WITH REGARD TO THE PUG, CAUSE IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET THE WESTWOOD RAN NOW COUNCIL MEMBER AND I AGREE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE, WITH ATP, WITH CITY PROJECT CONNECT, STAFF, TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, WE'RE ALL WORKING ALL THE TIME ON THIS RIGHT NOW.

IT'S WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT IT'S IT'S, IT'S JUST A, UM, I GUESS I WOULD SAY IT UNLESS IT'S RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER AT THIS POINT.

SO IT'S ANTICIPATED THE ENTIRE THING WOULD BE PARKLAND.

RIGHT? OKAY.

UM, WE WOULD DEDICATE THE PARKING LOT IN PHASES AS CONSTRUCTION OCCURRED, THIS, THE EASTERN MORSE POTION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE BRIDGE WOULD BE, WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LAST PHASE TO BE DEDICATED AS PARKLAND, UM, GIVEN THE, UM, UM, CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.

SO AGAIN, A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH I GUESS IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO HALF ACRE.

UM, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HALF ACRE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BECOME THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.

IT COULD BECOME A QUARTER ACRE.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE WASTE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS WHATEVER THAT LAND AREA IS, WOULD BE.

THEY WOULD ONE HAVE NOT ONLY HAVE GIVEN US THE PROPERTY ALREADY.

ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE DEVELOPERS ABLE TO DO.

UM, BUT THEY WOULD PAY FOR IT IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER BEING COUNTED AS PARKLAND.

SO IT DOESN'T, THERE'S NOT A TIME LIMIT.

ALTHOUGH I DO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM ABOUT THE TIME LIMIT, ABOUT A TIME PERIOD.

BUT RIGHT NOW, FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE DO NOT WANT A TIME LIMIT ON THAT BECAUSE WE AGREE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE DESIGN WORK FOR THE BRIDGES CAN BE DONE WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE FINAL DECISIONS ABOUT THE BRIDGE ARE GOING TO BE MADE.

SO, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NO CONTINGENCIES OR LIMITATIONS IN TERMS OF PARAMETERS

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IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE QUITE A BIT MORE SPACE OR IT COULD BE LESS, WE DON'T KNOW YET.

I THINK FROM THE DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE AND WE ARE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT A TIME PERIOD WITH THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE IS WE DON'T WANT TO EIGHT IN TIME LIMIT, BUT FROM THE DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, JUST FROM THEIR COLD CALCULATION, IF YOU WILL DO, YOU'RE GIVING THIS PROPERTY UP ANYWAY.

SO YOU EXACTLY, THEY'RE GIVING US THE WHOLE, ALL THE PROPERTY.

SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF AN IMPACT ON THE CITY OF HOW MUCH OF IT ACTUALLY ENDS UP BEING GREENSPACE EXACTLY.

AND HOW MUCH IS USED FOR PARKLAND.

AND I WOULD SAY TOO, AND THIS IS A FUTURE DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, ONE IS HOW MUCH OF THE AREA, AND THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING FOR MS. MCNEELY TO FOCUS ON MORE THAN I, BUT IF I COULD JUST BRIEFLY ADD HOW MUCH OF THE AREA OF THE PARK IS ACTUALLY BEING TAKEN BY THE BRIDGE.

SO, UM, THE EXISTING HIKE, BIKE TRAIL, IF YOU WILL GOES UNDER CONGRESS AVENUE, RIGHT.

IT GOES UNDER SOUTH FIRST.

UM, SO IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, THE, LET'S JUST SAY THE HIKE BY CHILD SELF, THE FACT THAT IT'S BEING ARCHED OVER BY A BRIDGE, IS IT NO LONGER PARKLAND OR IS IT I'M JUST STARTING OUT THERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICAL DISCUSSION.

UM, BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE GETTING THE PROPERTY EITHER WAY.

IT'S A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, IS IT BEING USED AS PARKLAND OR WILL A PORTION OF THAT BE USED INSTEAD FOR THIS BRIDGE EMBANKMENT? AND, UM, I THINK TO THE DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, THEY DON'T CARE.

UM, THE PORTION THAT THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE USED AS PARKLAND THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR, BECAUSE WE WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT'D BE PARKLAND AND NOW WE WANT MONEY TO MAKE UP FOR THE FACT THAT THIS BRIDGE IS BURNING UP SOME OF THE PARKWAY.

OH, OKAY.

SO THEN WE'D GET PAID FOR WHATEVER IS NOT GIVEN FOR FREE.

WELL, I MEAN, CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, IT COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF WHAT, AND WE CONSIDER THAT ALL A PART OF THE SUPERIOR PACKAGE OF TRYING TO GET THINGS THAT WE WOULD NOT NORMALLY BE ABLE TO GET LAND, YOU KNOW, AREA FOR BRIDGE AREA, FOR PARKLAND, UM, IN EXCHANGE FOR THE INCREASED ENTITLEMENTS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

SO YES, THE PROJECT CONNECT IS A PART OF THE, UH, FOR THE AREA FOR THE BRIDGE IS A VALUE TO PROJECT CONNECT, WHICH YES IS A VALUE TO THE CITY, BUT IS THE CITY PAY FOR THAT? OR DOES PROJECT CONNECT PAY FOR THAT? SO, WELL WE, WE ANTICIPATE NOBODY PAYING FOR IT BECAUSE WE COULD, WELL, THE BRIDGE SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR IT, BUT I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY FOR THE BRIDGE THAT WOULD BE COMING OFF OF THE EXISTING ENDEAVOR COX PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE, THERE IS TO THE CITY GETS THAT LAND EITHER WAY, WHETHER IT ENDS UP IN ADP'S HANDS, YOU KNOW, FOR A PORTION OF IT, FOR THE BRIDGE OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT WOULD BE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, UH, WELL, THAT JUST MAKES ME THAT'S A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELEVANT TO THIS.

IT JUST MAKES ME WONDER WHAT OUR RELATIONSHIP IS WITH ATP, WITH REGARD TO THAT LAND.

BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT ONE, JERRY.

I'VE, I'VE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO I'LL JUST ASK A COUPLE OF REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT WE CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION.

AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE ECO NORTHWEST BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL.

UM, CAN I ASK, UM, LUKE YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED ABOUT HOW THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, WHAT IS WHERE THE INFORMATION CAME FROM FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS? AS I UNDERSTAND IT IN 2020 ECO NORTHWEST ASKED FOR INFORMATION FROM ENDEAVOR, THEY ALSO USED ASSA CORA ROBINSON TO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND THIS IS INFORMATION COMING FROM ENDEAVOR, IT'S THEIR UNDERSTANDING ASA CARA ROBINSON WAS ALSO PART OF IT TOO, TO COME UP WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

BUT YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THE COST WHERE THE COSTS CAME FROM IS AN IMPORTANT CONCERN.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.

SO WHERE, WHERE DID THE INFORMATION COME FROM ABOUT THE COSTS OF DOING THIS? AND THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE, BUT I'M REALLY KEENLY INTERESTED IN, IN HOW YOU CALCULATED THIS.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THE SECTION THAT YOU'VE COMPILED ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE ABOUT THE COST OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT HAS CERTAIN THRESHOLDS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO REMIND US WHAT THOSE ARE AS MY SECOND QUESTION.

SO ANYWAY, FIRST QUESTION IS WHERE DID THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS COME FROM AND HOW WERE THEY ANALYZED? UM, AND THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE A SUPER QUICK ONE ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BOLTS AND CRAFT OUR OWN SORT OF PROFORMA MODEL.

SO, UH, IN TERMS OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

SO, UM, I GUESS THE WAY THAT WE LAID THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS WITH USING A CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX FROM ENR THAT'S ENGINEERING, NEW DIRECTORIES, UM, SO WE HAVE A HIGH AND A LOW ESTIMATE AND THEN THE, UH, THE LOW ADMITTED TO CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX AND THEN THE HIGHEST DEMANDED THE BUILDING CLOCKED INDEX.

SO I GUESS, UH, TO SUMMARIZE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT WE DID NOT, LIKE I SAID, LIKE GOOD SPACE OF THE PROCESS, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH ALL THE NUTS AND

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IF WE HAD DONE THAT, WHICH WE, YOU KNOW, ARE OPEN TO DO IN PHASE TWO, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD GO AND FIND SPECIFIC LIKE PER SQUARE FOOT CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO APPLY TO EACH OF THESE LAND USES THAT ARE PROPOSED, OH, WE HAD NOT DONE THAT IN THAT SPACE.

WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS TAKEN THE PREVIOUSLY FOUND, UH, CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES THAT WERE YOU BIKED ABOUT NORTHWEST, UM, YEARS AGO AND IN 2020, WHEN IT WAS LAST UPDATED AND WE'VE BEEN WEIGHTED THOSE BY INDUSTRY STANDARD COST AT THE FEED, UM, OR THE AREA.

SO DOES THAT.

IT DOES.

SO THEN I THINK MY QUESTION MAYBE IS FOR STAFF ABOUT ECO NORTHWEST NUMBERS, THE NUMBERS THAT THEY WERE, IF EPS WAS UPDATING THEM, THEN I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY IS WHERE DID THEY COME FROM FROM WHERE DID THE NUMBERS COME FROM THAT ECO NORTHWEST USED? WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT CONSULTING STUDY AND LOOK AT THOSE ASSUMPTIONS AND THEN AS WELL AS WHAT YOU'VE NOTED BEFORE, SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THAT MODEL, THAT MODEL US AS WELL.

AND THE RELATIONSHIP WITH US OCCUR, ROBINSON, WHO, AGAIN, AS I UNDERSTAND, ALSO DID SOME INDEPENDENT CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATION THAT FED INTO THE ECO NORTHWEST ASSUMPTIONS.

I JUST FORGOT MY OTHER QUESTION FOR UPS.

UM, JERRY, CAN YOU REMIND US, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

IS IT ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY PROGRAM? IT WAS, BUT I WANT TO START WITH, UM, WHAT THE PLAN, WHAT IS THE PUD REQUIREMENT PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENT, UH, IN THE, UM, IN THE PUTT ORDINANCE, NOT AS PROPOSED IN THE STATESMAN PUPPET IN THE PUDDLE ORDINANCE, UM, IS A PROPOSAL WE CALL FROM CALL IT TIER THREE.

THAT'S NOT ITS NAME AND THE CODE.

I THINK IT'S JUST CALLED DENSITY BONUS IN THE CODE SECTION, BUT IT SAYS THAT A 10% OF THE AREA ABOVE THE BASELINE AND DEFINES THE BASELINE AS THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENT, THE 10% OF THE AREA THAT'S ABOVE THAT IN TERMS OF HEIGHT OR FAR NEEDS TO HAVE AFFORDABILITY, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, SO THAT 10% OF THE BONUS AREA, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE NUMBERS AREN'T, I'M NOT SURE, BUT IF I CALL CORRECTLY, IT WAS, UM, 60% MFI FOR RENTAL AND 80% FOR, UM, FOR, UH, UM, OWNER OCCUPIED.

AND SO LUKE AND ASSESSING THE COSTS OF HOUSING OF PRODUCING THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, I THINK THERE'S NO FAST WAY TO ASK THIS.

I THINK, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH IT.

SO, UM, I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE THAT FOR NOW.

UM, AND SEE IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE TIME, CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A HARD STOP, BUT I GUESS, I GUESS IT'S NOT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS COMING BACK TO US ARE MORE THAN ONE OCCASION.

WE'LL DISCUSS THIS WITHOUT TAKING ACTION ON THURSDAY.

WE'LL DISCUSS THE, UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION ON THURSDAY WITHOUT TAKING ACTION.

UH, BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES FOR HAVING EVERYBODY HERE AND, AND NOT BEING ABLE TO, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT.

AND JUST QUICK QUESTION.

SO IT'S SUPPOSED BOND, UH, WON'T BE TAKEN UP ON THURSDAY, BUT DO WE HAVE A DATE THAT WILL BE POSTPONED TO RIGHT NOW? I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ASKING FOR SEPTEMBER 1ST.

I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE OKAY WITH AN EXTENSION TO AUGUST END OF AUGUST.

THEY MIGHT'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SAME DATE.

I JUST DON'T KNOW.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, AS I UNDERSTOOD OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION, IT'S IT WILL BE TAKEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND DISCUSSION.

I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL LIKELY HAVE A LOT OF BOTH.

SO I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGING DAY ON THAT.

AND I DID REMEMBER MY QUICK QUESTION FOR LUKE, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, MAY I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO DETAIL ON THE PARKLAND, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE WILL STILL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO THE BUDGET AND WE MAY HAVE TO DO A CONTINGENT WAIVER.

IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO TAKE UP THE ISSUE SO THAT WE'RE STILL ABLE TO TAKE IT UP IF WE CHOOSE HAVE BUDGET.

SO THERE WILL NOT BE A SUBSTANTIVE MOTION, BUT THERE MAY BE A PROCEDURAL ACTION THAT WE ARE STILL.

IN FACT, THERE WILL BE A NON-SUBSTANTIVE EMOTION CAUSE WE'VE AGREED.

WE WOULD SET IT, UH, FOR THAT DATE IN AUGUST WHEN WE WERE ALL BACK.

SO WE CAN TAKE ACTION.

AND WITH THAT THEN AT FIVE O'CLOCK, UH, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

NOPE.

AND SO WE PROVIDED THE WRITTEN REPORT THIS MORNING.

WHEN DID YOU SEE, THANK

[B2. Update on the implementation of Resolution No. 20220721-002 related to reproductive health care decisions.]

YOU.

UH, THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ALL PASSED LAST WEEK ON THURSDAY HAD TO DO WITH, UH, RE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE DECISIONS.

AND WITHIN THAT RESOLUTION HAD ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO COME BACK, UH, TODAY AND TO MAKE BOTH A WRITTEN AND AN ORAL REPORT.

UM,

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IT WAS IN YOUR BACKUP.

AND JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT FOR YOU AND SAY THAT THERE ARE REALLY NO CHANGES REQUIRED ADMINISTRATIVELY IN OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, UH, IN ORDER TO EFFECTUATE THE RESOLUTION, WHICH YOU ALL CALL THE GRACE ACT.

UM, SO THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE REPORT.