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[CALL TO ORDER]

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ALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THE TIME IS 6 29 AND I FOLLOW THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION TO ORDER.

WE ARE GETTING STARTED ON JULY 27TH, 2022 AT 6:29 PM.

WE'RE IN THE SAME PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER AND THE PDC ROOM 14 0 6, WHICH IS THAT THE ADDRESS? 6 3 1 0.

WE'LL MEET AT DELCO DRIVE, AUSTIN, TEXAS SEVENTY EIGHT SEVENTY FIVE TO CALL THE ROLL.

UM, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, UM, PRESENT COMMISSIONER TENANT, YUCA COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER.

LEVIN'S PRESENT COMMISSIONER GREENBURG, COMMISSIONER DAN BERG HERE.

I PRESENT THE COMMISSIONERS WITTENBERG AND TANDBERG ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE BEING HERE.

UH, KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS HAS BEEN PODCASTS LIVE ON 87, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE RECORDED.

UM, OTHER THINGS ABOUT COMMISSIONER LAURIE IS ABSENT.

HELLO, UH, COMMISSIONER, STATE, SECRETARY STANTON, ANYONE, UH, JOINING US AT SEVEN 30.

UM, WE DO HAVE A FORUM.

SO NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMUNICATION

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

THAT HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP THE PUBLIC INDICATION? NOPE.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL MOVE TO OUR AGENDA ITEMS. SO WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA, I BELIEVE FOUR ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

ONE STAFF BRIEFING, TWO SETS OF MINUTES TO ADOPT WITHOUT FURTHER ADO GO TOWARDS OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM.

[1. Approve a recommendation for potential amendments to the financial disclosure provisions of City Code Chapter 2-7 (Ethics and Financial Disclosure).]

NUMBER ONE, AMENDMENTS TO THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE PROVISIONS OF CITY CODE CHAPTER TWO AND DASH SEVEN IN THE PACKET THAT WAS EMAILED IN THAT LAST YEAR AT NONE OF US.

UM, WE HAVE TWO SETS OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THE FIRST IN THE PACKET INCLUDES A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE VOTED ON LAST MEETING WITH SOME CORRECTIONS IN THE PROPOSED RATIONALE.

SO THAT IS GOING TO BE ONE, UH, THAT LET'S SEE IT IS A TWO PAGE DOCUMENTS.

UM, WITH THE, WITH THE PITHY TITLE, ETHICS WOULD BE COMMISSIONED RECOMMENDATION 2 0 2 2 0 2 7 DASH ONE EIGHT.

UM, IT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE, UH, BLOCK OF HIGHLIGHTS, HOLD IT UP SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT, UM, THE, UH, BLOCK OF HIGHLIGHTED TEXT AT THE BOTTOM.

THAT WAS A RATIONALE.

UM, I WOULDN'T NORMALLY TURN TO LETTING THE ORDER, UH, TO OFFER SOME EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UM, SHE DID SEND THAT EMAIL, I BELIEVE, TO THE FULL COMMISSION EXPLAINING THAT.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT IT WE DO HAVE WITH THIS YEAR, UH, LIZETTE, OUR STAFF LIAISON, CAROLINE WEBSTER CITY CLERK.

UM, UH, SO WE DO HAVE EMPLOYEES, UH, THAT MAY HAVE APPROPRIATE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE THEM.

SO, UM, CITY LEGAL, RIGHT? YES.

YEAH.

AND I WILL RECOGNIZE THAT IT SEEMS WE HAVE COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK JOINING US.

HELLO, COMMISSION NUMBER QUARTERBACK.

THIS IS A MESS.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.

WELCOME.

I'M SORRY THAT YOU HAD DIFFICULTY GETTING THROUGH IN PERSON, BUT WE'RE GRATEFUL THAT YOU'RE HERE AT 10 MINUTES WITH THIS VIRTUAL.

UM, I JUST CAME HOME AND GOT ON ZOOM, WEBEX TAKE, TAKE YOUR TIME, UH, TO GET SETTLED.

WE JUST STARTED WITH CHER SHARE.

WE JUST STARTED WITH AGENDA ITEM ONE A.

SO IT WAS, UM, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE VOTED ON AT THE LAST MEETING TO UPDATE, UH, CERTAIN FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REPORTS.

UM, UH, AND THIS IS TO MAKE A COUPLE OF SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS AND TO ADD A FRACTION NOW TO THE FORMAL RECOMMENDATION DOCUMENT THAT'S FOREIGN TO COUNCIL.

UM, SO I JUST OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY COMMISSIONERS HAD.

WE HAVE CAROLINE BUDGETER HERE, CITY CLERK, AS WELL AS LIZ AT OUR STAFF MEETINGS ON SIPPY, TURNS

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OUT A LOT OF OUR MAXES.

UM, MY WIRES CROSSING.

UH, SO COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ONE EIGHT? JUST ADDING THE RATIONALE, ALSO ADDING THE WORD EQUITABLE.

UM, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS FOR CONSISTENCY WITH OTHER SECTIONS.

UM, LET ME PULL UP THE AGENDA SINCE SURE.

I BELIEVE THAT EMAIL THAT'S, THE MEETING PACKET MIGHT BE THE MOST HELPFUL.

YEAH.

AND, UM, I'M ON A COMPUTER SO I CAN PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW.

IT JUST TAKES A MINUTE FOR ME TO FIND IT.

SO GO AHEAD.

SURE.

UM, YOU KNOW, OFFICIALLY A MCCORMICK GO AHEAD AND WORK ON GETTING WAS, UH, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORM SENTENCE.

UH, AND, UM, AND WHAT I MIGHT DO IS GO BACK INTO THIS.

UH, SO WE GET THAT SO THAT YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN A BOAT.

UM, BUT I SEE MR. GREENBERG, SO PRESUMING THAT WE GET SIX PEOPLE TO SIGN THOSE FORMS AND SEND THEM IN AND PASS THIS, WILL THIS AUTOMATICALLY GO ON THE AGENDA FOR THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE OR DO WE NEED TO GET TO SPONSORS TO PUT IT ONTO THEIR AGENDA? FANTASTIC QUESTION.

I WILL REFER TO, UH, MAYBE CAROLINE WEBSTER AND BLIND DEPARTMENT, SINCE IT'S A CHANGE TO CITY CODE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE'LL BE SPONSORS TO SPONSORS OF IT OR TO FOLKS THAT CARRY IT FORWARD AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SENT OFFICIALLY TO THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE.

SO IT WILL BE SENT THOUGH.

YES.

YEAH, IT'D BE, I MEAN, IF YOU ALL VOTE TO MAKE IT GO TO HAVE A GO FORWARD, THEN YES, IT WILL BE SAD.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I MADE IT TO THE BOOTSTRAPS APPROACHES TO THE BELTS AND SUSPENDERS APPROACH IS TO ALSO SECURE TO COMMUNICATE WITH MEMBERS OF THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE TO SECURITY SPOTS, JUST TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA.

I, I WOULD JUST BECAUSE, UH, IT JUST, IT JUST MAKES SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THESE QUBITS KIND OF COMING FROM THERE TO HELP EXPLAIN THEM TO, THEY CAN REACH OUT TO IF THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A QUESTION.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT THEY COULD DISCUSS THAT OUTSIDE OF THEIR MEETING BOARD, BUT THEY, I CAN JUST PUT, I JUST WOULD RECOMMEND THEM TO INCLUDE THAT AS A SAFETY MEASURE.

SURE.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

GREAT.

WHEN IT'S ON THEIR AGENDA, SOMEONE FROM THE COMMISSION AT LEAST ONE SHOULD GO OR BE AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY THAT'S A GOOD CALL.

UM, WE, UH, I THINK FOR TODAY'S PURPOSES, UM, PEOPLE CAN VOTE TO FORWARD THIS ALONG.

UM, THE LOGISTICS OF, UH, COMMUNICATING WITH THE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE TO SEE WHO IS GOING TO BE OUR SPONSORS.

I THINK, UM, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH, UH, FROM LIAISON STAFF TO GET THAT SORTED OUT.

UM, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

I REALLY THINK YOU MIGHT BE THE BEST PERSON TO DO THE PRESENTATION GIVEN THAT YOU'VE SPEARHEADED THE STAFFORD.

UM, BUT, UH, OTHERWISE I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT AS WELL.

WE CAN BE IN TOUCH AS, AS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T VOTE ON ANYTHING IN THE MOMENT, WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE STAFF BRIEFING? SO WE CAN, I GOT A WORD FROM LIZETTE BED.

UH UM, SO YOU CAN HAVE A VOTE COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS GET HIS FOREMAN.

YES.

RIGHT.

WE'RE ALL PRIMED AND READY TO VOTE.

UM, IN THAT CASE, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, I'LL DO A ROUND, OH, GO AHEAD.

AND WE JUST NEED A MOTION AGAIN.

UM, AND JENSEN GOING.

SO GOT DISCUSSION GOING ON WITH SURE.

SO, UM, I WAS ABSENT LAST MEETING THERE'S NOTES ON HERE ABOUT MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE AND I BELIEVE IN PAST, BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT THE MODE IS WAS LAST MONTH, THEREFORE, I'M NOT SURE.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING ON IS THE AMENDMENTS TOO, WITH THE STRIKE BRUISE UNDERLINES THAT ARE HERE

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ON THIS PAGE, BUT I I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION TO LAST MONTH'S BILL SHIRTS LAST.

YES.

SO THE MINUTES, THE MINUTES WOULD BE HELPFUL TO REFER TO THEM ABOUT WHAT I'LL SAY.

AND I'M GOING TO JUST NOD FROM EITHER WEBSTER OR WAS THAT, UM, IS THAT EVERYTHING ON THIS RECOMMENDATION FORM THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED, UM, IS NEW INFORMATION THAT WE ARE VOTING TO THAT THAT'S THE UNDERLYING, SINCE FRANKLIN SQUARE, UH, INCLUDED IN DIVERSION OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER THAT THE LAST WEEK.

OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, IN THAT CASE, WE CAN, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR, FOR PUMPING THE BRAKES OUT.

TAKE A MOTION TO, YES.

GOOD.

SURE.

GREENBERG.

I MOVE THAT.

WE FORWARD THIS RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, OR SHOULD WE JUST BE MOVING THAT WE APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION AND LET'S SAY, AND, AND FORWARD IT TO THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE.

SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO, YES, SIR.

SEE COMMISSIONER AND REQUIREMENT TO SECOND.

OKAY, GREAT.

THEN I WILL MAKE THE ROUNDS AND JUST ASK THAT YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME AND SAY HERE AND VOTE FOR US HERE, BUT WE ARE NOT COMMUTING.

AND BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE INDIVIDUAL MINING PALS, SO I'LL JUST GO DOWN OUR ROLL CALLED.

SO COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, I SUPPORT THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER TENANT, YUCA COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK COMMISSIONER LEVIN'S YES.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, COMMISSIONER DANBURG AND I VOTE AYE AS WELL, WHICH IS UNANIMOUS FOR THOSE RATHER THAN TECHNOLOGY AND THE TWO, THREE ABSENCES AND EVENTS, I BELIEVE.

RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CONDITIONER.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ONE B, WHICH IS ANY NEW RECOMMENDATION.

SO THIS IS NOT ROLLING OVER FROM OUR LAST MEETING, BUT IT IS A SUGGESTION THAT CAME FROM THE MISSIONARY AND GREENBERG.

UM, I WILL, UH, TURN THE FLOOR TO YOU TO BRIEFLY EXPLAIN WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS IN FRONT OF US.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY SELF EXPLANATORY, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF GIVING BACKGROUND IN FURTHER DETAIL.

SO GO AHEAD.

THE, UM, FORMS, THE PURPOSE OF THE FORUMS IS TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN TERMS OF WHAT ELECTED OFFICIALS OR I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT ALSO TO INCLUDE CANDIDATES, TO BE ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHAT THEY OWN, WHERE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST MIGHT BE.

UM, THIS INFORMATION IS CURRENTLY ONLY AVAILABLE.

IF WE DO A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST, WHICH CAN TAKE WEEKS TO GET A RESPONSE FROM THE CITY SINCE IT'S ALWAYS HAS TO BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO MAKE IT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.

UM, SO THAT'S THE, UM, DOCUMENT I THINK SAYS TO HAVE IT IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE ONLINE.

I APPRECIATE THAT AND EAT, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COMMISSIONERS COME BACK.

I HAVE A THOUGHT ON MYSELF, BUT I WANT TO FIRST GIVE THE FLOOR TO ANYONE WHO HAS QUESTIONS.

SO ONE, UM, ONE THOUGHT THAT I'VE HAD WHEN I SAW THIS, AND I DID NOTICE THAT, UM, BECAUSE I RE I RECALL COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, THE CONCERN THAT YOU HAD WAS THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS, FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES WERE NOT IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE.

AND I SAY, THIS IS, CAN THE DRAFT FIELD EXISTS? WAS THAT BECAUSE THE RELEVANT CODE APPLIES EQUALLY TO CANDIDATES AND TO THE LECTINS THAT

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BOTH WOULD BE INCLUDED ON THE WEBSITE? UM, I THINK, I THINK IT WARRANTS EITHER CLARIFICATION OR GOING BACK TO HOW YOU WANTED IT INITIALLY, WHICH WAS JUST THE ALEXA.

UM, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE THAT HAVING, UH, IF SOMEONE RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL 12 YEARS AGO, HAVING THEIR INTERESTS, UH, FOREVER POSTED ONLINE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT DISTRICT BOUNDARIES WOULD HAVE CHANGED.

UH, THEY, WELL, THAT IS TRUE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SERVED 12 YEARS AGO.

ALSO, WE COULD SAY, AND SHALL REMAIN ON THE WEBSITE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE DECIDE ON.

I MEAN, MAYBE FOR TWO YEARS AFTER THE ELECTION THAT THEY LOST OR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ELECTION THAT THEY LOST AND TWO YEARS AFTER THEY FINISHED SERVICE OR YEAH.

RACE IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION THAT I'LL ASK, I'LL POSTED THE LAW DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS WHAT, UM, WHAT IS THE RECORDS RETENTION SCHEDULE OR THESE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES, IF UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I KNOW MY HEAD, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S TWO YEARS, BUT I, I CANNOT TELL YOU THAT FOR SURE.

I KNOW I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT I WENT BACK TO SCHOOL.

OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

UM, I'M NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE TO FILL OUT THOSE FORMS. IT'S NOT JUST ELECTED OFFICIALS AND PEOPLE RUNNING THERE'S 13 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE ALSO REQUIRED, BUT I THINK THAT'S EXCESSIVE.

UM, YES, COMMISSIONER ELEVEN'S.

DID WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW MUCH OF A, DOES THIS REQUIRE A APPROPRIATION OF MONEY FROM THE BUDGET? IS THERE SUFFICIENT STAFF IN THE IT DEPARTMENT OR WHATEVER TO POST AND MANAGE? I DON'T, MAYBE IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL AT ALL.

I AM NOT SAVVY ENOUGH IN THE TECH STUFF.

NO, IF IT'S A 10 MINUTE JOB FOR SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, OR IF YOU HAVE TO STAFF UP, IT'S SORT OF EQUIVALENT TO THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE FORMS THAT GET POSTED.

IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

UM, ONE THAT I DON'T HAVE A PRECISE ANSWER TO.

I HAVE AN OPERATOR TO DO SUMPTION THAT WE KEEP DIGITAL COPIES OF THESE FORUMS AND THAT IF WE KEEP DIGITAL COPIES OF THE FORMS, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE, IT'S NOT THAT BIG.

IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT HARD FOR TWO CHAIRS FOR WHAT TO GO OVER IN THE IT DIVISION TO.

RIGHT.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH EQUIVALENT TO THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE THAT THE, UM, CAMPAIGN FINANCE FORMS THAT CANDIDATES AND COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO FILE THOSE GET PUT UP ONLINE AND THEY SEEM TO GO UP INSTANTLY.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

UH, IF YOU PREFER, I WAS A PART OF THE , UH, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED IN THIS CASE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE IN THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE A LINE UNDER DESCRIPTION OF RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT INSTEAD OF SUBJECT TO THE FUNDS AND REASONS SO THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS, I THINK WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.

THAT'S FIRST OF ALL, IT HAS TO BE PASSED BY THE COUNCIL.

UM, AND IF THERE'S RESOURCE PROBLEMS IT'LL COME UP WHEN THEY VOTE ON IT.

SURE.

THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM.

YEP.

I GOT IT.

GREAT.

UM, SO I JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER, I, I DIDN'T FIND, UH, VOTING FOR THIS AND SENDING IT ON, UM, AS IS, UH, BUT I THINK, UH, IT'S, IT'S A CONSIDERATION THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AT LEAST SO THAT, OR THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS MORE ACCURATELY, THEIR STAFF THAT LOOK BACK AT THIS MEETING AND ASK WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

UM, THEY ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THAT.

UM, UH, I THINK IT, ONCE SOMEONE SIGNS UP FOR PUBLIC SERVICE, THERE'S CERTAINLY A TRANSPARENCY INTEREST THAT, UH, IS SORT OF IMMEDIATELY BROUGHT TO LIFE.

UM,

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FOR SOMEONE WHO SAID, I WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE AND THEN, UH, WHO KNOWS SUSPENDED THEIR CAMPAIGN AFTERWARDS BECAUSE THEY HADN'T CHAMPIONSHIP APART, UM, OR DIDN'T WIN AND DECIDED I'M NEVER, I NEVER WANTED TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT EVER AGAIN IN MY LIFE.

UM, UH, HAVING KIND OF, UH, NOT PERMANENT, BUT SEMI-PERMANENT, UM, YOU KNOW, FULL DISCLOSURE OF THEIR FINANCIAL AFFAIRS MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY FAIR.

UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED, BUT I DON'T WANT TO START, IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY FOR CANDIDATES, MAYBE IT ONLINE FOR 30 DAYS AFTER THEIR ELECTION AND FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR TWO YEARS AFTER THEIR SERVICE ENDS, THEY HAVE TO FILE IT LIKE CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO FILE AGAIN AFTER THEIR TERM IS OVER.

LIKE ONE MORE TIME.

I THINK IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS ACTUALLY IS IT IS A TIME PERIOD THAT MAKES SENSE.

GIVEN THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR BLACK RELATIONS THAT COULD BE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION TWO YEARS REALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

MAYBE IS THERE, UH, ANY OPPOSITION TO HAVING, UM, UH, A LITTLE ADDING A LITTLE COMMON, UM, NOT A COMMON NECESSARILY PRESENT TAX PURPOSES, BUT AT THE END OF THE UNDERLINED LANGUAGE UNDER THIS NEW SUB SECTION B TO SAY, UH, UH, FOR A PERIOD, NOT EXCEEDING TWO YEARS.

OKAY.

TWO YEARS.

I MEAN, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS SERVE FOR EIGHT OR 10 LATELY, TWO YEARS AFTER AN ELECTION OR TWO YEARS AFTER THE DETERMINANTS.

SURE.

UM, YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE IT TWO YEARS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WAS A CANDIDATE OR A, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO, UM, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS, IS WHEN IT COMES TO FORGERY AND FRAUD IN A CRIMINAL PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STATUTE DOESN'T BEGIN TO RUN UNTIL YOU KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.

AND SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FRAUDULENT OR HIDDEN, WE MAY NOT SEE IT, OR SOMEONE MAY NOT SEE IT WITHIN THE TWO YEAR PERIOD THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO LIMIT THERE.

SO WE'RE NOT, UM, SEEING WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE OR NOT RESPONSIBLE, WE'RE JUST CHANGING FOR HOW OR SPECIFYING FOR HOW LONG IT STAYS ONLINE.

RIGHT.

CURRENTLY IT'S NOT ONLINE AT ALL, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY.

RIGHT.

AND, UH, I THINK ANOTHER THING, UM, IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.

I THINK THOUGH THAT, UH, WHERE, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT CHANGING AT LEAST I DON'T THINK WE ARE, UM, THAT RETENTION SCHEDULE FOR THE RECORD.

UM, IF SOMEONE WERE TO DISCOVER, UH, FRAUD AFTER THE TWO YEARS WHERE THIS WAS UP ONLINE, UM, AND THEY WANT TO, WELL, IT WOULD NO TAKE IT BACK.

I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE BEEN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT FRAUD, SO THAT TYPE OF, KIND OF THOUGHT THE SIZE IS WHAT KIND OF CASE WOULD BE, UM, IMPACTED BY IT.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY ONLY A CASE WHERE THAT HAPPENS ON THE FORM ITSELF.

RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM BEFORE JUST FRAGMENT INTRODUCED THE FORM AS EVIDENCE, SOME CONVERT FOR SOME OTHER KIND OF FRAUDULENT ACTIVITY OR SOME OTHER KIND OF VIOLATION WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION.

UM, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS COULD BE MORE, YES.

GO, GO AHEAD.

UH UM, MAYBE FOR SIMPLICITY SAKE, THINK COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE ACKNOWLEDGING ME.

UM, SO YEAH,

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I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS NO ONE'S GOING TO, SO UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE FRAUD BECOMES IMMEDIATELY APPARENT NO, ONE'S GOING TO ACTUALLY GO LOOKING THROUGH THESE FORMS. SO IF WE PUT THEM ON FOR TWO YEARS, BUT SOMEONE DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THE FRAUD OR FORGERY OR THE ISSUE OR PROBLEM, THEY IT'S AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT THEY WILL NEED THEM.

MY ONLY REAL CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE THROUGH AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST OR SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I MEAN, I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE THEM ONLINE OR NOT ONLINE.

THAT'S JUST ACCESSIBILITY.

SO GOOD CALL.

SO I GO AHEAD.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

AND HE SAID, WELL, CERTAINLY WHETHER THEY'RE ONLINE OR NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.

UM, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION IF I MAY, BUT THE DOCUMENT THAT I'M SEEING HERE HAS UNDERLINING FOR A SENTENCE TO BE, TO BE 2 70, 75 B IS THE INTENT TO STRENGTH THROUGH THE LANGUAGE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS, OR TO ADD THE SENTENCE TO THE LANGUAGE.

OH, 2, 7 75 FEET.

GREAT CATCH.

I AM, I BELIEVE IT IS TO ADD TO THAT LANGUAGE.

RIGHT.

SO C BECOME B CURRENT B BECOMES C, WHICH WOULDN'T MEAN THAT WE NEED CAUSE SEE CURRENCY ALSO STARTS WITH A STATE.

YES.

OH IT DOES.

THANK YOU FOR THIS CASE.

SO THIS, IF YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THIS ROUTE FOR HALF THE GRADE, BASICALLY VERY NUMBER OR CURRENT B TO C AND GREEN NUMBER CURRENCY TO D CORRECT.

YEAH.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SEVEN INCH IS FINE.

AND THE NOTEBOOK SHOULD IT'S IT'S SHOULD BE THE FIRST TAB FIRST.

SO YOU GUYS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE FIRST, SO YES.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, CAROLINE POSTER, UM, THEN, UH, EMOTION ON THIS SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION.

WELL, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'RE INSERTING THIS LANGUAGE INTO CODE AS INDEPENDENT EXISTENCE, NOT STRIKING ANYTHING.

IT SHOULD BE READ NUMBER TWO LETTER THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

OKAY.

AND THERE'S NOW OUT HERE THOUGH.

SEE A STATEMENT MEAN B AS STATEMENTS OF B TO C.

UM, THE CURRENT CT ALSO STARTS WITH A STATEMENT.

RIGHT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS REALLY DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY INTENTION TO DELETE CURRENT BEING BECAUSE NORMALLY THAT WOULD SHOW WE WOULD HAVE UM, WE MADE INSTEAD OF B, B, D B, C B STAYS THE SAME C STAYS THE SAME AND WHAT SHE IS BE COULD BE.

YEP.

I'M GOOD.

I'M GOING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MARK AND ADD SUBSECTION.

I DON'T THINK THE ORDER MATTERS AT ALL.

AND IT REALLY DOESN'T GREAT.

UM, AND SAY, AND GET RID OF THE, AND RENUMBERING THE CURRENT SUBSECTIONS.

SO, UH, CAN WE DO CENTERS ARE PROBABLY FINE VOTING THIS AS IT IS WITH THE SUBSECTION D CHANGE IN PARTICULAR? UM, I THINK, UH, I KNEW WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT TO ADD SOMETHING ABOUT HOW LONG IT HAS TO STAY ONLINE.

WE COULD, IF THERE'S A,

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IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO DO THAT, I'M HAPPY TO WORK ON WHERE I WAS LOOKING AT IT JUST NOW I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHERE IN THE SENTENCE TO PUT THE TWO YEARS.

UM, LET'S SEE.

COMMISSIONER DAMPER, GO AHEAD.

UH, ONE CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT SAYING HOW LONG IT IS TO REMAIN ONLINE IS THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE ACTIVITY.

IT WOULD REQUIRE A TRACKING AND ACTIVITY TEGA OFFLINE, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT ONCE IT'S ONLINE, THERE'S ANY REASON TO TAKE IT OFF, UH, UNLESS PERHAPS AFTER, AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME SOMEBODY REMOVE IT, BUT THAT, THAT REQUEST WOULD TRIGGER ACTION AND IT COULD BE ALLOWED AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

BUT IF YOU SAY, IF YOU SAY THAT IT SHALL REMAIN ONLINE FOR TWO YEARS, THEN SOMEONE'S GOING TO HACK TO ACTIVELY TAKE IT OFFLINE TWO YEARS.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S ANY NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN THE CLOUD.

IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE OUT THERE.

SURE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, UH, I THINK PERSONALLY, I THINK THIS DISCUSSION IS NOT TO GIVE THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER ON WHAT AS IN, IS NOT NURSING SO ENOUGH TO NOTICE THAT IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, UM, WITHOUT KNOWING THE CURRENT RETENTION SCHEDULE, UM, THAT APPLIES TO THESE DISCLOSURE ENVIRONMENTS.

UM, SO I, I WOULD HATE TO SAY, UH, I WOULD NEED TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TOO HARD TO SAY IT HAS TO BE ONLINE, BUT NO HARMONY THAN THIS TIME OR SAY THAT I HAVE TO STAY ONLINE.

UM, SO I THINK I'M UNCOMFORTABLE, UH, SUPPORTING THIS ON THROUGH A COMMISSIONER.

DAMMIT.

YEAH.

I, I, UNLESS THERE IS A REASON TO, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO MAKE IT ANY DIFFERENT FROM THE REGULAR RETENTION RECORDS, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT WE WANT IT TO BE ONLINE TO THE DEGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THESE OTHER THINGS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A, UH, A SPECIAL, SPECIAL OPEN RECORDS.

SURE.

OKAY.

CAN WE SAY DEPENDENT? YOU'VE DONE.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE WORK PROBABLY BECAUSE THAT MEANS DIFFERENT TO EVERYBODY.

I CAN'T, WE GIVE THEM A LITTLE CITY BY YOURSELF.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC THAT THEY PUMPED A NEED WITHIN 72 HOURS.

IS IT THE WITHIN 30 DAYS? LIKE WHAT DOES THAT BEING IT'S DIFFERENT FOR EVERY SITUATION? SO IT'S SURE.

I MEAN, THINGS MIGHT GET FILED ON FRIDAY BEFORE A LONG WEEKEND.

UM, WITHIN 14 DAYS, NO, I TO BE PROMPTLY IS FINE.

AND, UM, YEAH, I TEND TO AGREE.

I THINK, UM, I THINK IT PROBABLY IS FINE.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT POST DISCUSSIVE DENSITY, UM, BECAUSE PROMPTLY, UH, COMPLEX DATA AND, UM, UH, MAYBE A FUTURE CITY CLERK MAY NOT BE SO PROMPT FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK PROBABLY, UH, UNDERSCORES THAT THE CITY CLINICS SHOULDN'T DELAY IN POSTING THESE DISCLOSURES ONCE THEY'RE VIOLENT.

CAUSE IT SAYS THAT YOU TO PUBLISH THEM PROMPTLY, PUBLISH TO DISCLOSURES THAT ARE FILED WITH THE CITY.

SO THE WAY I READ THAT IT'S THE TIME BETWEEN FILING AND THEIR PUBLICATION ONLINE, SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED.

UM, THAT IS .

SO I, I THINK SOMEONE SAID THIS A FEW MINUTES AGO, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.

THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS ARE ALREADY PUBLISHED ON ONLINE SOMEWHERE, IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S ACCURATE.

AND SO THESE ARE ONGOING FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES THAT ARE SEPARATE AND APART, AND ACTUALLY

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THIS DISCLOSES PERSONAL FINANCIAL INTERESTS, NOT JUST CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS, IT'S NOT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS AT ALL, IT'S PERSONAL, BUT THE CLERK GETS THOSE UP RIGHT AWAY.

SO FOR ALL THE CANDIDATES, UM, I'M NOT THINKING OF THAT IN, IN THE, FROM THE ANGLE OF WHETHER IT'S BURDENSOME, I'M THINKING OF IT IN TERMS OF THE COMPETING INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO KNOW, AND, UH, A CANDIDATE OR OFFICE HOLDER, WE'RE STILL RETAINING SOME SIMPLE AND CIVIL RIGHT TO PRIVACY AND HOW TO, HOW TO, HOW TO BALANCE THOSE COMPETING INTERESTS.

SURE.

AND THAT, AND I TEND TO ALRIGHTY, NOT PRIVATE BECAUSE YOU CAN DO A PIR.

RIGHT.

UH, I ACKNOWLEDGED THAT TENSION.

UM, I WAS THINKING, WHICH IS WHY I KIND OF WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW LONG ARE THEY GOING TO BE UP.

IF IT'S JUST A CANDIDATE, UM, FILED THEM THAT STEP.

THIS IS THE WORST SNEAKER I'VE EVER MADE.

I NEVER WANT TO CONSIDER PUBLIC OFFICE AGAIN.

UM, THE CURRENT CODE OR ACKNOWLEDGE UNDER SUBSECTION A, UM, SAYS THAT THESE STATEMENTS ARE, UH, AT THE END OF THAT BUZZ, SHOUTING CONSTITUTE PELVIC RECORDS.

SO THEY ARE TROUBLING AND, AND, BUT, AND DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND MAKING THEM MORE PUBLIC FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM BY POSTING THEM, UH, TO THE PEOPLE MINE IT'S, IT'S, I'LL CONCEDE THAT IT'S MORE PUBLIC SERVICES HAVING THEM SUBJECT PUBLIC INFORMATION PLUSES, BUT I STILL THINK THE BALANCE OF INTEREST WAY TOWARDS PUBLICATION AND TRANSPARENCY.

UM, EVEN STILL WELL WITH THE CHANGE FROM B TO D SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I CAN'T REMEMBER.

OKAY.

I MOVE THAT.

WE PASS THIS RECOMMENDATION AND FORWARDED TO THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE WITH THE B TO D CHANGE AND NO RENUMBERING.

RIGHT.

GOT IT.

THE SECOND FROM WILLOW SAID, CAN WILLIAMS. YES.

I SECOND IT SECONDARY DISCUSSION, UH, ON THE MOST EFFECTIVELY, UH, IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND I HAVE A, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN OFFER THIS AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, I SUSPECT I'M GOING TO LOSE, BUT I'M GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE.

ANYWAY.

I WOULD PROPOSE THAT, UM, IT'D BE PROBABLY PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE FOR MAYOR OR COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT WHEN THEY'RE JUST A CANDIDATE AND NOT YET ACTUALLY HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING OR VOTE ON ANYTHING, I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP THAT IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.

SOMEONE CAN FILE A PUBLIC INFORMATION, ACT, REQUEST AND GET IT.

UM, BUT EXPOSING, EXPOSING PEOPLE TO THAT LEVEL, I THINK IS A DETERRENT TO GOOD PEOPLE GETTING INVOLVED.

AND I, THAT GIVES ME SOME FALSE.

HOW ABOUT WE DIVIDE THE QUESTION AND FIRST VOTE ON THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WILL BE FOR THE CANDIDATES.

SO I MOVED TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION.

WELL THEN MOTION MAYBE.

UM, UH, SURE.

THEN, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A DEPARTMENTS GO AHEAD.

UH, I MEAN, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO CHANGE WHAT YOU'RE DOING THEN YOU CAN'T JUST SEND THAT AT SUBSECTION D YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE D AND E MAYBE, OR THEY COULDN'T, YOU CAN'T GO ON HALF A SENTENCE.

SURE.

OKAY, SURE.

THEN WE'LL JUST DROP THAT THEN.

HERE'S WELL, HERE'S HOW I WOULD PROPOSE GOING ABOUT IT.

I THINK WE CAN HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION, UH, TO HAVE THIS RECOMMENDATION JETS, UH, HAVE TO DO WITH CURRENT MAYOR COUNCIL CANDIDATES.

AND THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON SECOND MOTION TO ADD ANOTHER REQUIREMENT, DECORATING EVIDENCE, UH, DISCLOSURES TO BE PUBLISHED ONLINE AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES THINGS WAY MORE COMPLICATED,

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I THINK, BUT HE SUGGESTED OF AMENDING IT TO TAKE OFF.

WE CAN VOTE ON YES, I WILL.

SECOND THAT MOTION.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL CONSIDER THAT A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION WHO BUTTONS TO AMEND IT TO STRIKE, UM, COUNCIL.

YEAH.

SO THE LAST 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 WORDS, UNDERLINED COMPUTER B.

NOW DEEP THAT'S THE MOTION SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.

GREENBERG'S SOMEONE GO AROUND AND COLLECT FOLKS ON THE MOTION TO AMEND, WHICH WILL BRING US BACK TO THE ORIGINAL NOTES.

SO I'M GONNA START CALLING NAMES, UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. UM, I WANTED TO HAVE DISCUSSION OR NOT TO DIVIDE BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL WHO ACTUALLY WINS THE ELECTION AND THE CANDIDATES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU PLACE YOURSELF IN THE PUBLIC REALM, I THINK THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE STUCK WITH THE OBLIGATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND I BELIEVE LOSING THOSE PRIVACY RIGHTS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE DISCOURAGEMENT THAT THAT MAY PROVIDE FOR FOLKS, BUT I THINK THE GOLD HERE GO OF THIS BOARD AND THE GOAL OF JUSTICE POLICY IS TRANSPARENCY.

SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ACTUAL CANDIDATE OR THE INDIVIDUAL WHO ACTUALLY WINS THE ELECTION.

UM, SO, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY POSITION ON THAT.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A NEED TO, TO BIFURCATE THIS QUESTION OR THIS ISSUE.

SURE.

UM, COMMISSIONER DAN MIGHT BE MUTED.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE OUT THERE ASKING FOR PEOPLE'S VOTE, THAT YOU SHOULD BE OPEN ABOUT WHAT YOUR PERSONAL FINANCIAL PRIORITIES ARE KIND OF LIKE SMART DATE.

SURE.

I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THOSE PERSPECTIVES REGARDING COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. UM, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THAT WOULD CREATE A, UM, UH, AN INEQUITY BETWEEN THE INCUMBENT AND INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE RUNNING FOR ELECTION.

SO, UM, AND I, AND I WOULD, AGAIN, REITERATE WHAT I DISCUSSED BEFORE MAY I RESPOND AND QUICK IS SURE.

I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENTS BEING MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE INEQUITY BETWEEN THE INCUMBENT AND THE CHALLENGER.

UM, PERHAPS THAT'S A FEATURE AND NOT A BUG OF WHAT I'M PROPOSING SINCE THE INCUMBENTS ALREADY HAVE ALL OF THE CARDS ON THERE.

THEY'RE HOLDING THE ACES.

AND THE CHALLENGER HAS A HODGEPODGE OF JUNK CARDS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE GOAL, BEING TRANSPARENCY, A GOAL OF THIS COMMISSION SHOULD BE TRANSPARENCY, BUT THERE ARE LIMITS TO THAT.

UM, WE DON'T ASK FOR EVERY BANK ACCOUNT THAT THEY HOLD AND THE CURRENT BALANCE WE DON'T ASK FOR A LOT OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE IF OUR ONLY GOAL IS TRANSPARENCY, WE SHOULD ASK FOR MORE, BUT THERE IS A, THERE IS A LIMIT TO THAT.

SO I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS A BALANCING.

AND I THINK TO SAY THAT OUR GOAL IS TRANSPARENCY, UM, WITHOUT QUALIFYING THAT I, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THE SAME FOR A CANDIDATE AS A, UM, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

UM, I THINK IT'S SIMILAR AND THE CANDIDATE STILL HAS TO FILL OUT THESE DISCLOSURES AND THEY ARE PUBLIC, BUT THE, THE TOOL OF TRANSPARENCY IS A TOOL.

AND AS WITH ANY TOOL, IT CAN BE USED FOR GOOD THINGS AND THEY CAN ALSO BE USED FOR MISCHIEF.

AND ONCE IT'S ON THE INTERNET, UH, THE CITY MAY TAKE IT DOWN, BUT IT'S ON THE INTERNET.

UM, AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M, I'M HESITANT AT THIS TIME HAVING ONLY REALLY GIVEN THIS THOUGHT FOR THE LAST 15 MINUTES THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, I'M HESITANT TO PLACE THAT BURDEN ON CANDIDATES WHO ULTIMATELY ENDED UP BEING UNSUCCESSFUL AT THIS FILM.

UM, THANK YOU.

UH, I I'LL TAKE COMMISSIONER GREENBERG'S, UM, COMMENTS.

AND THEN, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EMOTION, THAT'S SITTING IN FRONT OF US, I WILL PROCEED YOU ABOUT, UM, WITH THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER MOTION MANEUVER OPINION OR NOT TO MOVE ON FROM THE AGENDA ITEM.

UM, YEAH, I'M A LITTLE BIT TORN ABOUT THIS.

UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE CHANGE THAT WE EARLIER VOTED ON WAS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND

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ABOUT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND, UM, CANDIDATES DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST UNTIL THEY'RE ELECTED AND ACTUALLY START VOTING ON ITEMS. UM, I, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I CAN SEE COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS POINT THAT IF THEY'RE WILLING TO RUN FOR OFFICE, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION, WHICH THEY ARE SHARING, HAVING TO SHARE THE INFORMATION AND FURTHER THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS MAY BE COMING IN THE FUTURE.

IF YOU VOTE FOR A PARTICULAR CANDIDATE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. AND THEN I'LL, UH, COMMISSIONER AFTER COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, COMMISSIONER FROM CHRONIC, AND THEN I'M UNDER PROCEEDED IN FURTHERANCE OF WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG JUST DISCUSSED.

I THINK CANDIDATES, THERE CAN BE ISSUES THAT THE OFFICIAL MAY BE VOTING ON IN THE FUTURE.

THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BASED ON THEIR HOLDINGS.

AND SO IT IS UNFAIR TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO EASILY ACCESS THAT INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO THE INCUMBENT, BUT NOT HAVE AS EASY OF A TIME ACCESSING THAT INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO A PERSPECTIVE CANDIDATE.

SO THAT ISSUE STILL IS CYCLICAL AND APPLIES TO BOTH IN AN INEQUITABLE WAY.

IF WE PLACE THE DIVIDE THERE.

SURE.

WE SEE THAT CONDITIONER PERFORMING CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS GOING TO COME BACK AS A CANDIDATE.

ANYWAY, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW ABOUT, UH, ANY CANDIDATE THAT HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

THAT'LL BE A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN UP THERE, WHETHER THEY WANT IT OR NOT AS A CANDIDATE AND THEY HAVE TO FILE THE FORM ANYWAY.

SURE.

I'M MISSING HER DANBURY.

OKAY.

I'M FEELING VERY TENANTS.

GO AHEAD AND DEMO PARTICULARLY ABOUT APPARENTLY I, MY TABLET IS NOT HOOKED UP TO ITS BASE.

SKEWS ME.

UM, OKAY.

TWO THINGS ABOUT THIS.

NUMBER ONE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS THAT THEY'RE DOING IT BIG, BUT BECAUSE OF THREATS AGAINST JUDGES IN PARTICULAR, THERE ARE SOME WAYS THAT JUDGES CAN NOT DISCLOSE THEIR PERSONAL RESIDENCE ADDRESSES.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS DONE, BUT I KNOW IT IS BEING DONE.

BUT NUMBER TWO, I'LL GIVE YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE TANGIBLE EXAMPLE.

I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF AND AM FRIENDS AND SUPPORTING PEOPLE WHO DO LOW-INCOME HOUSING.

I AM VERY MUCH AGAINST SLUMLORDS AND I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT ABOUT A CANDIDATE.

AND YES, I KNOW THAT JUST SAYING WHERE IT IS THAT THEY OWN THESE RENTAL PROPERTIES, DOESN'T TELL YOU WHETHER THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT.

BUT MY DUE DILIGENCE WOULD SAY, OOH, THEY JUST RANG A BELL.

I'M GOING TO CHECK THEM OUT TO DECIDE WHETHER I'M ACTIVELY FOR THEM OR ACTIVELY AGAINST THEM.

AND THE PERSONAL RESIDENCE IS, ARE, ARE REDACTED.

OH, GOOD.

OKAY, GOOD.

THE JUDGES ARE NO LONGER LIFTED.

YEAH.

IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY BAD CASE OF AN ATTACK AGAINST A GIANT FISH AT HER RESIDENCE.

UM, WHICH IS WHY THE STATE APPARENTLY EXEMPTS THEIR PERSONAL ADDRESSES FOR BEING LISTED, UM, FOR THE COUNTY FOR UMPTEEN YEARS.

UM, AND I WILL, UH, KEEP US ON TOPIC AND ON TRACK.

UM, SO THIS IS A VOTE TO AMEND THE MOTION, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE IN THE MOTION WOULD STRIKE THE LAST SEVEN LETTERS OF THIS UNDERLYING LANGUAGE.

UH, SO THAT IT WOULD HAVE ONLY SAID THAT THE RECOMMENDATION HAS, IS CURRENTLY ONLY APPLIED TO ELECTED MAYOR ANNOUNCED.

SO CURRENTLY SERVING HERE IN HOUSE, UH, WELL, ELECTED MAYOR COMES TO CONFERENCE.

UM, BUT NONETHELESS, UH, SO THAT IS THE MOTION I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH AND ASK FOR BUSINESS, UM, FROM THOSE VIRTUALLY PLEASE UNMUTE AND THEN MEET YOURSELVES, HAVE CRASH.

UH, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL STARTING NOW, COMMISSIONER.

WELCOME.

I DO NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION TIMID.

AND YOU COMMISSIONER TENANT, YUKON

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COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK.

YES.

I DON'T HAVE A COMMISSIONER.

LEVIN'S YES.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, NO COMMISSIONER DANVER.

AND I, YES, THAT IS 1, 3, 4 KNOWS BY NINE TIMES THREE EYES OF THAT MOTION PUT ON THAT FAILS.

SO WE WE'RE BACK ON THE MOTION ON AMENDMENT, WHICH IS, UH, THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF US JUST CHANGING THE BEANS UPP, UM, STILL DISCUSSING THAT MOTION.

SO COMMISSIONER WOULD JUST GO AHEAD.

I WOULD MOVE TO AMEND THE CODE WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION AS IS JUST, WOULDN'T THE DIFFERENT LETTERING OF THE SUBSECTION.

THAT'S THE MOTION.

GOT IT.

AND SO ACTUALLY I THINK BACK, YEAH.

AND SO ACTUALLY I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY, UM, BECAUSE THE MOTION'S ALREADY WAS ALREADY MADE AND SECONDED BY A THING GREENBURG AND UH, WHERE DID THE SECOND COME FROM? SECOND CAME FROM SOMEWHERE.

OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, UM, I THINK IT WAS MR. WILLIAMS, THE GUARDIAN SECONDED IT.

SO, UM, I THINK WE CAN THEN JUST PROCEED TO A VOTE UNLESS THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION AS TO THE MOTION ON THE MOTION AND SEE HEARING NON GOING ONCE, TWICE.

SO I'M GOING TO GET INTO ROLL CALL NOW.

SO COMMISSIONER WILKINS, I SUPPORT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER INTENDED TO HUGO COMMISSIONER MCCORMIN COMMISSIONER LOVITZ, GOING TO STAIN GREAT COMMISSION FROM GREENBERG COMMISSIONER DAN BIRD.

I WILL VOTE YES AS WELL.

THAT IS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 EYES, ONE ABSTENTION BY MY COUNSEL, THE MOTION ASSETS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CHAIR.

THAT WAS A FANTASTIC DISCUSSION BY MY ACCOUNT.

UM, REALLY PRODUCTIVE.

SO, UH, WITH THAT YOU CAN MOVE ON TO, THERE'S NOT AN OBJECTION TO THE AGENDA TO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT.

SO, UH, THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, UM, AT THE FRONT OF THE PACKET WILL BE EASY.

AND THE PROXY GUIDE.

YES.

UM, SO ITEM TWO, WHICH THAT SECRETARY ATTENDED SIX SECRETARY WHEN WORKED HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS HER CAUSE THAT SHE HAS BEEN, UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CALL.

[3. Approval of a statement and/or video of what the Commission does & how the public can use the Commission and/or a Statement on Equity, Access, and the need for reform by the Working Group on Race, Identity and Equity.]

WE'LL COME BACK TO EXTEND THAT TO, UM, I AM GOING TO MAKE A DECISION THERE'S STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS, THREE VICE CHAIR, PALE POURED SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT INTO WRITING UP THAT STATEMENT.

UM, SHE UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

UM, I WOULD, UH, UH, WAIT KIND OF THING TO DO IS TO, UH, LEAVE IT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.

UM, AND LET VICE-CHAIR KALE EXPLAIN HER PROCESS.

UM, THIS IS HERS.

PART OF ME WANTS TO BOOK THIS OUT BECAUSE, UH, TO DO HER A FAVOR SINCE SHE HAS BEEN PUTTING SO MUCH WORK INTO IT.

UM, BUT IF THERE'S NOT OBJECTION, I'M GOING TO SKIP ITEM THREE AND TABLE IT MORE OR LESS FOR SPEEDING.

LET'S SEE, COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK, GO AHEAD.

WELL, WE'VE WORKED ON THIS OFF AND ON AND IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN.

UH, CAUSE WE HAVE THE DATA FROM THE CITY OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO CERTAIN LANGUAGES AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE.

YEAH.

SO YEAH.

FOR CLARITY COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, AGENDA ITEM THREE, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO AGENDA ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE LANGUAGE.

OH, OKAY.

SORRY.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK, UH, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ON AGENDA ITEM THREE IS, UM, TABLE IT FOR X MEETING.

SO THAT VICE CHAIR, KALE HAS BEEN RUNNING NACHO.

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YEAH.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO AGENDA ITEM TWO SHORTLY.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE SECRETARY STANTON THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN US.

I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE HERE NOT TOO FAR FOR NOW AROUND SYMPATHY.

UM, SO, WELL THAT IS REALLY SETTLED.

IT'S REALLY SETTLED.

WE WILL DISCUSS HOW SETTLED IT IS.

UM, ONCE WE GET TO THAT, UH, ASSUMING SECRETARY STANTON'S ABLE TO JOIN US IF WE, IF SHE IS RUNNING A LITTLE BEHIND SCHEDULE, UM, SHE SAID THAT SHE WOULD BE HERE AT SEVEN 30.

IT'S ALMOST SEVEN 30 NOW.

UM, IF SHE'S NOT HERE AND WE'LL MOVE ON.

SO, OKAY.

IT'S TEAM MEETINGS WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

SO WE NEED LATIN QUEER, UM, ITEM NUMBER

[4. Approve the creation of a working group or other action plan for review of lobbyist registration thresholds in City Code Section 4-8-3.]

FOUR, UH, SO THAT WE CAN KNOCK THIS OUT, UM, IS, UH, LOBBYIST, REGISTRATION, RED PATROLS, UM, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

SO, UH, THIS IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT OUR CODE TELLS US TO DO PERIODICALLY SPECIFICALLY CODE TELLS US TO DO THIS EVERY FOUR YEARS TO LOOK AT THE REGISTRATION BREATHS OR, UM, LONGINGS FOR THE STREETS FOR THE CITY.

SO THESE ARE, UH, UH, BOTH COMPENSATION THRESHOLDS AND EXPENDITURE THRESHOLDS.

IF YOU MAKE MORE THAN WHAT IS THE NUMBER, UM, IT'S HEADED, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I'M NOT DOING IT VIRTUALLY, VIRTUALLY.

I ACTUALLY HAVE THINGS ORGANIZED.

UM, THE MINUTES, UM, ARE SAID IN CHAPTER FOUR, THERE WE GO, GOT PERMANENT LIMITS.

UH, THE DOLLAR LIMIT SPECIFICALLY, UM, YOU'RE COMPENSATED, UH, REVERSED $2,000 A BOARD AND A CALENDAR QUARTER, UH, TO DO THE WORK OF LOBBYING OR YOU MAKE AN EXPENDITURE, UM, $500 FOR THE QUARTER TO GET PEOPLE OUT HERE.

UM, SO WE ARE CHARGED WITH REVIEWING THE THREAT FOLDS EVERY FOURTH YEAR.

UM, I PERSONALLY DON'T DO IT THE LAST TIME WE'VE DONE IT.

IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO.

UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS ESTABLISH WORKING DEEP, TO LOOK AT IT, UH, STUDY MORE CAREFULLY AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THESE THRESHOLDS ARE CHANGING, UM, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TAKING ACTION ON B THRESHOLDS TO THEMSELVES TODAY, BUT GO BACK TO MR. .

I WOULD SAY THAT OCCASIONALLY SOMEONE SAYS SHOULDN'T, SO-AND-SO BE A REGISTERED LOBBYIST.

AND THEN MAYBE THAT IS NOT CLEAR, OR MAYBE THOSE THRESHOLDS ARE BEING USED TO SAY, OH, YOU'RE NOT PAYING ME THIS QUARTER, BUT I'LL GET PAID NEXT QUARTER.

UH, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT JUST THE NUMERICAL VALUES OR WE'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THE NUMERICAL VALUES.

I SORT OF FEEL LIKE YOU, YOU KNOW, GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND EMAIL COUNCIL AND YOUR IT'S PART OF YOUR JOB, RIGHT? THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU MAKE $8,000 A YEAR.

WELL, SO I THINK WHAT, THE WAY I READ OUR CHARGE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IT IS WEIRD TO REVIEW THE THRESHOLDS IN THIS SECTION.

AND THEN LATER IT SAYS, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION OF GUARDIAN, WHETHER THE THRESHOLDS SHOULD BE CHANGED, UM, CONSIDERING THE COST OF LIVING AND OTHER RELEVANT FACTORS, WHICH APPLIANCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DOLLAR, AS OPPOSED TO MORE ABSTRACT THRESHOLDS.

I GOT THRESHOLD REQUIREMENTS.

I'VE DONE THIS.

UM, I THINK IF IT'S PERFECT, I THINK WE'RE WELL AGENDIZED TO HAVE A WORKING THEME THAT TALKS ABOUT CHAPTER, OR AS LONG AS IT'S DOING, UM, THE WORK OF LOOKING INTO THE LIMITS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

IT WOULDN'T BE, I DON'T THINK CONSTRAINED FROM THINKING ABOUT, INSTEAD OF RAISING IT LOWER, I'M GOOD, RIGHT? THAT'S THE THRESHOLDS THEMSELVES DURING QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER DANIEL AND

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I HAVE A CONCERN.

IT'S ALSO NOT ABOUT THE NUMBERS, JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER GREENBERG IS TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S MORE THAN THE NUMBERS.

BUT I THINK MINE IS THE FLIP SIDE OF HER CONCERN BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE BACK IN THE LEGISLATURE WAS EVERY AGENCY, EVERY, UM, PARTLY FUNDED BY THE STATE ORGANIZATION HAD A DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.

AND THAT DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS WAS BEING LOBBIED AS AN INFORMATION OFFICER NOT PAID AS A LOBBYIST.

AND IN FACT, THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST OR A LOBBY BECAUSE THEIR JOB WAS TO BE AVAILABLE TO GIVE STATUS UPDATES AND TO TELL GOVERNMENTAL OFFICIALS HOW DOING THIS OR DOING THAT WOULD AFFECT SERVICE DELIVERY THAT THEY'RE ALREADY CONTRACTED WITH THE STATE OR AN AGENCY OF THE STATE TO DO.

AND THAT, THAT DIFFERENTIATION IS NOT VERY WELL SPELLED OUT IN THE ENTIRETY OF CHAPTER FOUR.

SURE.

AND YOU KNOW, I'D THINK I'M TO LOOK AT THE PRECISE AGENDA LANGUAGE FROM ONE MORE TIME, WEIRD TIMES, BUT I HAD MY PHONE WITH THE AGENDA.

I'M GOING TO FOLD IT UP ONE MORE TIME.

ONE MOMENT.

THANK YOU.

JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE SET UP A WORKING GROUP THAT WAS A LITTLE BROADER THAN JUST THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS BOBBY'S FIDGETS IN THAT SPECIFIC SECTION.

GOOD TODAY, INCLUDING THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS, UM, ASKED, UH, CITY LEGAL AID QUESTION, UM, ARE WE AGENDA TO CREATE A WORKING GROUP THAT HAS A STOPE BROADER THAN JUST WHAT IT IS IN FOUR DASH EIGHT PATCHES, CITY CODE? ARE YOU SORRY, YOU ASKING THIS PARTICULAR POSTING WHAT I'M NOT ON FOR THEM OR ARE YOU YES, IT'S OUR CURRENT AGENDA AGENDA ITEM THREE, I THINK BEFORE, EXCUSE ME, WE WILL, AFTER THAT YOU SAY IT WAS A WORK IN NEW TO REVIEW A LOT OF THESE REGISTRATION GOALS UNDER CHAPTER FOUR EIGHT.

UM, IT'S THE SUCH, THE SECTION CITED IS SPECIFIC.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A WORKING GROUP OR OTHER ACTION PLAN, BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE RELATED TO THE THRESHOLDS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THAT SECTION OF SINGLE.

SURE.

UM, SO I THINK ONE OPTION FOR US GOING TO BE A STEAMING TABLE.

SURE.

UM, TABLE.

AND THEN AT OUR NEXT MEETING, IF WE WANT IT TO BE AGENDIZED TO HAVE A BROADER WORKING GROUP TO TALK ABOUT LOBBYING RULES WITH THE CITY, UH, WE CAN HAVE A LOBBY STATUS AT THAT TIME.

UM, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S FAIR.

UH, YEAH.

UH, THERE, THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ABOUT , BUT UM, OKAY, WELL, I'LL TAKE IT, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS PAGE.

SO WOULD FEEL PASSIONATELY ABOUT STARTING TO WORK NOW SPECIFICALLY ON FORD, ACTUALLY PAST STREET.

I SEE NONE, NO SUCH INTEREST IN WHICH CASE I'LL MOVE ON.

WE HAVE STAFF BRIEFING ON THE UNIT BROCHURE.

SO I WILL TURN OVER THAT FEW MINUTE BREAK.

WE CAN, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT IS A FINE IDEA.

IT'S BEEN, UM, A LITTLE OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF NOW, SO LET'S TAKE, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

THE TIME IS NOW 7 33.

UM, WE WILL RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES AND RECONVENE NO LATER THAN SEVEN 40 STARTING RECESS TIME

[2. City Council Candidate Forum Planning, including language interpretation services.]

IS NOW 7 48 AND BRING THIS OUT AT RECESS SO THAT, UM, UH, SECRETARY AND BLEND IN IS WELCOME.

I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GO ACTUALLY TO THE AGENDA ITEM.

NUMBER TWO, I DON'T KNOW.

NUMBER TWO, UM, IS DISCUSSION ON CITY

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COUNCIL, CANDIDATE, FORUM, PLANNING, INCLUDED LANGUAGE INTERPRETATION SERVICES.

UM, SO I'LL ASK, UH, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS ASK CAROLINE WEBSTER INSTEAD OF PROVIDING AN UPDATE, UM, ASK IF THE WORKING GROUP AS ANY UPDATES, THE CANDIDATE FORUM, WORKING GROUP WITH THEM UPDATES, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE OUR DISCUSSION AFTER THAT.

SO AS MUCH AS SHIT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

UM, I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE A BIG UPDATE FROM MAYBE WHAT YOU LAST HEARD.

UM, THIS IS, THIS IS ABOUT THE, UM, INTERPRETATION SERVICES FOR THE, UH, THE, OF COURSE THE CANDIDATE FORUMS THAT WILL BE COMING UP SOON.

AND OF COURSE THE REQUEST WAS BY YOU ALL WAS TO HAVE, UH, THOSE FORMS TRANSLATED OR AVAILABLE IN OTHER LANGUAGES AS WELL.

AND WE REACHED OUT TO THE VARIOUS OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

AND BASICALLY THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO ACTUALLY BROADCAST IN LANGUAGES OTHER THAN ENGLISH AND SPANISH, BUT THEY HAVE AGREED THAT THEY CAN MAKE, SO THEY CAN HAVE SIMULTANEOUS TRANSLATION AVAILABLE IN OTHER LANGUAGES, VIETNAMESE AND WREN.

AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER LANGUAGE AND I FELT LIKE IT WAS, I CAN'T THINK WHAT THAT IS.

I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT MOMENT.

UM, SO THE FOLKS CAN KIND OF CLARIFY SIGN LANGUAGE.

WELL, I KNOW THAT THIS WAS ABOUT THE WE'RE GOING TO CALL AND THEY COULD CALL AND HAVE, HAVE, UM, TRANSLATION, A SIMULTANEOUS TRANSLATION WHILE THE, UH, CANDIDATES EVENT IS GOING ON.

AND THEN IF THERE'S INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE, THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY BEEN CONTEMPLATED AS LONG AS THEY CAN GIVE NOTICE OF.

I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE DAYS AS A THEN CTM AND ANOTHER IS INVOLVED IN PROGRAMMING THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, SUPPORT AND ADDITIONAL LANGUAGES AS WELL.

AND, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE LAST COMMUNICATION THAT I RECEIVED ABOUT WHERE FOLKS ARE AT THIS POINT.

AND, UH, CERTAINLY THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WORKING GROUP MAY HAVE IN ADDITION TO WHAT I'VE BEEN INFORMED ABOUT THIS POINT IN TIME.

I WOULD DEFER TO THAT.

OKAY.

AND SO, UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER NOW TO THE WORK THAT YOU DO, CANDIDATE FORM WORK CAN BE, UH, IF IS ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT OR UPDATING, UM, AT THE HEAD SHAKE IN FRONT OF THEM, COMMISSIONER PERFORMANCE, THAT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT, UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, UH, ON THIS A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, CHRISTIAN REQUIREMENT, GO AHEAD.

WELL, WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH THIS, GIVE THE STUDY AS TO SEE WHAT THE DATA SAYS.

AND SO RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHERE, WHERE YOU ARE.

UM, ONE THING WHICH I MENTIONED, WHICH WE NEED TO DO DOWN THE ROAD IS TO SEE THE VOTERS THAT ARE IN THESE DIFFERENT ETHNICITY GROUPS AND WHAT, UH, WHAT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS AND NEEDS ARE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO DO IN THE VOTER REGISTRATION AND THE BAN.

AND, UM, IT'S THERE.

IT JUST TAKES SOME TIME I HAVE ACCESS TO IT, BUT I HAVEN'T, I'D HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY TO HELP ME DO THAT.

UM, TO SEE AS TO WHO THE VOTERS ARE, WE KNOW WHAT A PROPERTY ELECTION IS, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE VOTERS ARE BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WE'RE SERVING ARE THE VOTERS.

SURE.

BUT ONE, ONE DISTINCTION THAT I'LL, UH, JUST OFFER, UM, IS THAT I THINK IT'S WORTH AS WE CONSIDER THESE CANDIDATE FORUMS AND, UH, ACCESSIBILITY TO THE FORUMS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY THINKING ABOUT, UH, QUOTE-UNQUOTE VOTERS.

THERE ARE, UH, PEOPLE THAT, UH, MAY NOT HAVE THE FULL RIGHTS AND BENEFITS OF CITIZENSHIP THAT NONETHELESS DESERVE CIVIC PARTICIPATION AND ENGAGEMENT, EVEN IF THEY CAN'T CAST A BALLOT.

UM, SO, UH, NOT TO MENTION THAT KIDS GET THE SHORT END OF THE STICK.

UM, SO, UH, ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? UM, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I THINK WE REASONABLY CAN'T GET WITHOUT GETTING KIND OF FULL, ROBUST DATA POLLS FROM PAST REQUESTS, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE WE DETERMINED WAS THERE WAS A LIMIT TO THAT.

UM, BUT HAPPY TO HEAR IT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY ACTION CONTEMPLATING THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A SHEET HERE THAT

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PROVIDES DAD, IS THAT SATISFYING BUS? UM, I BELIEVE THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE DID MAKE A REQUEST FOR THIS SPECIFIC KIND OF DATA, WHICH IS, UH, SO WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO OR FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME, UM, THIS IS, UH, AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY ESTIMATES.

THIS IS FROM THE US CENSUS BUREAU ON, UH, LANGUAGES, OTHER THAN IT WAS NEVER SPOKEN ON THE HOME.

UM, UH, WHICH IS WHICH INCLUDES, UM, SORT OF A MEASURE OF HOW ENGLISH PROFICIENT THE SPEAKERS ARE, HAS A VERY CAMPY BREAKDOWN ABOUT, UM, HOW MANY SPEAKERS CAN THE CITY OF AUSTIN SORT OF RESIDENTS TYPICALLY.

UM, BUT THESE VARIOUS LANGUAGES THAT ARE, UM, ONE THING THAT IT DOES INDICATE THAT I FIND PARTICULARLY INTERESTING IS THAT THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF AUSTIN KNIGHTS SPEAK A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ENGLISH OR SPANISH.

UM, BUT, UH, YES, JUST WANT ME TO SYNC UP THE RECORD SINCE AT LEAST ON THE SCREEN, I'M LOOKING AT I'M VERY SMALL AND POINTING TO DOCUMENTS AND NOT BE CAUGHT UP IN THE FOLKS WHO WATCH THIS.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION QUESTIONS ON THAT? THERE'S THE TWO PAGER IN THE, IN THE AGENDA THAT TO HIM ABOUT OUTLINES EVERYTHING, PULL IT UP.

I HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN.

I'M SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S A HANDOUT TO, SO I'VE GOT THE UTILITY.

SO THE, WE RECEIVED ABOUT THIS, UM, A COPY OF THE FACILITIES BILL, TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGES SPOKEN AT, UH, SPOKEN IN PACU, WHICH IS A MODEL TYPE PAGE.

YOU'RE DOING GREAT THINKING TIME.

I WISH I'D SEEN THIS EARLIER ON.

UM, WELL, PETE'S DOCUMENT ABOUT WHEN WE'D JUST SPOKEN ACROSS THE COUNCIL, THIS AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, CENSUS BUREAU DATA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UTILITY BROCHURE.

THEY'RE STARTING TO UTILITY BILL PAMPHLET.

YEAH.

IT'S AFTER THAT, THAT YOU FELT THE BILL DOESN'T HAVE EVERYTHING ON IT, BUT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT ALL AFTER THAT, SHE WOULD, YOU MIND, UM, INTRODUCING, OR AT LEAST SPEAKING TO A LOT OF WHAT YOU DIDN'T WORK BEATS, WHO THAT PERTAIN TO THIS, AND THEN WHAT IS, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET FROM THAT I WASN'T SURE WERE WE EXPECTING TO SEE SOME REFERENCE TO LANGUAGE SERVICES, OUR WAY TO SAMPLE OF WHAT, OF WHERE IT MIGHT APPEAR.

SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

CAN YOU PROVIDE A CLARIFICATION ON YES.

SO, SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS LOOKING AT THE SETUP.

IT COULD BE NUTS, AS I SAY THESE THINGS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN IF IT'S NOT CORRECT.

UM, SO THE UTILITY BILL IS A COPY OF WHERE INFORMATION WOULD GO, UM, ABOUT LANGUAGE SERVICES.

SO, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO ARE MORE BACKGROUND DATA AND INFORMATION ON THINGS WE'VE JUST SPOKEN IN AUSTIN.

UM, IT'S, UH, THIS PACKET IN PARTICULAR, UM, FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME TAKEN OVER TOP GRADED, IT'S GREAT.

IT'S GREAT DATA VISUALIZATION AND THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES AND PIE CHARTS SHOWING THE MAIN LANGUAGES AND OTHER LANGUAGES SPOKEN.

THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

UM, MAN, SOMEONE CAN, WE SHOULD POST IT ONLINE, BUT OUR NEXT MEETING, UM, WELL, UH, IS THERE OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ENEMY? GOOD SECRETARY? UH, YES.

CHAIR COULD WAY, UM, SOMEHOW OFFICIALLY STATE WHAT THE BAD, I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW IF IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OUT OF THE LAST MEETING OR SUGGESTION, AND THEN THERE WAS AN ANSWER OF WHERE WE RECONVENED TODAY.

THERE WAS AN ANSWER OF THAT AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTED CLEAR DOWN EFFICIENTLY THAT THAT COULD NOT BE MET.

THAT REQUEST COULD NOT BE MET EXACTLY BECAUSE THE REQUESTS, AS I REMEMBER, IT WAS TWO CHINESE ARE BANDWIDTH AND VIETNAMESE BE TREATED EQUALLY OR THE SAME AS ENGLISH AND SPANISH WITH RESPECT TO THE CANDIDATE FORUMS. AND THEY ANSWER ME, HE ANSWERED, WE GOT BACK WAS THAT CAN'T BE MET, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON WHATEVER,

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THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO, WHICH IS PROVIDING THE DIAL-IN.

AND SO I JUST FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY STATED WAS THE REQUEST CAN'T BE MET 100%.

HERE'S THE PLAN B.

AND SOMEONE SAID THAT, AND THIS WAS, AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S AT.

SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR.

SURE.

UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO, UH, REITERATE WHAT, UM, UH, SO I DON'T STRAY TOO FAR IN THE CHAIR OF GRACE.

I'LL READ FROM THE MINUTES WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.

UM, SO, UH, WE WERE DISCUSSING CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATE FORUM MADE A MOTION TO INCLUDE INTERNATIONAL MANDARIN CHINESE.

LIKE YOU, THE CAMPAIGN ENDED UP WANTING TO TREAT THEM ON THE SAME LEVEL OF SPANISH, UM, APPROVED, NOT COMMISSIONER GREENBERG'S MOTION IN SECOND ADVICE ACCIDENT AND, UH, WAS APPROVED ON A NINE TO ZERO VOTE.

UM, SO THIS IS, AND WHAT WE HEARD, I THINK EARLIER, UM, FROM CAROLINE, WHAT STRIP WITH A LOT OF APARTMENTS, UM, WE GAVE A STEEP UPDATE, UH, WHAT WE'VE HEARD, UM, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, I BELIEVE ON THIS SUBJECT IS THAT, UM, IT IS NOT CURRENTLY POSSIBLE TO BROADCAST LIVE.

UM, THE BROADCAST LIVE TRANSLATIONS, UH, LEAST HAVING BROADCAST OF LIVE TRANSLATION OF THE CANDIDATE FORUMS, UM, IN LANGUAGES OTHER THAN ENGLISH AND SPANISH, BUT THAT, UM, THEY CAN, THAT ANYONE CAN DIAL IN AND LOOK WEST THAT THOSE LANGUAGES BE LIVE TRANSLATED FOR THEM.

YES.

BUT YOU HAVE THAT EXACTLY.

THAT WAS A VERY GOOD SUMMARY.

AND THEN THAT WAY, UM, OFFICIALLY DOCUMENTS, THIS WAS THE REQUEST AND THIS IS HOW IT'S MADE MAD.

IT'S NOT, IT CAN'T BE SO, BUT ULTIMATELY I GUESS TECHNICALLY THE REQUEST IS NOT ENGLISH, THE MEDS THAT YOU STATED, BUT HERE'S WHAT CAN BE DONE.

SO YOU JUST WANT TO OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION OF SURE THAT TO THE BEST OF MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THAT IS WHERE THINGS STAND NOW.

AND I THINK, UH, UM, OPEN TO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, UM, UH, FUTURE MEETINGS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING HE WANTS TO DISCUSS OR ASK NOW, UM, LET'S BE IN CONTINUED DISCUSSING IT, BUT THEN TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, THAT IS MY SUMMARY OF WHERE THINGS STAND.

THAT'S AWESOME.

WHY, UM, PERSPECTIVE, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THAT WAS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OUTCOME.

I THINK THAT THERE WERE OTHER VERY GOOD OUTCOMES, BUT THAT WAS THE MAIN ONE IS WE CAN'T DO SO WE CAN'T TREAT IT EXACTLY