* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:08] AND WELCOME TO THE AUSTIN HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION. LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE A QUORUM ONE, TWO, AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS, UH, VIRTUALLY HERE. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FIRST. I'LL CALL ROLL. I'M TERRY MYERS CHAIRMAN BEN-HAIM. SETH IS HE'S TRYING TO LOG IN RIGHT NOW. OKAY. A NISSA CASTEEL STUCK IN TRAFFIC. OKAY. WHAT FEATHERSTON ARE YOU THERE? OKAY. KEVIN COOK. CARLA ROCHE HARMONY. GROGAN. OKAY. HI, I CAN'T ACTUALLY SEE YOU, BUT I CAN SEE YOUR HAND. WELCOME TO THE COMMISSION. TREY MCWHORTER. BLAKE. TILLETT HERE BETH VALANZUELA AND HERE. OKAY, CAROLINE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OUR FIRST ITEM ON [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL] THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? IT COULD BE ABOUT PRESERVATION OR SOME OTHER ASPECT. THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT IT CANNOT BE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. PLEASE COME DOWN AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS, MEGAN KING, UH, POLICY AND OUTREACH PLANNING FOR PRESERVATION. AUSTIN. JUST HAVE MY LITTLE MONTHLY UPDATE FOR YOU ALL ON OUR GOINGS ON AT PRESERVATION AUSTIN. UM, WE HAVE A NEW STAFF MEMBER, ROSA FRY, UM, SHE'S OUR PROGRAM COORDINATOR. UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HER AS WE GROW OUR STAFF. UM, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WITH OUR INCREASED STAFF, WE CAN CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THIS COMMISSION. SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEAS OR FOR PROGRAMMING TOURS, EVENTS, ET CETERA, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO GET PEOPLE OUT INTO HISTORIC SPACES AROUND AUSTIN THIS YEAR. SO WE WELCOME ANY SUGGESTIONS FROM YOU ALL IN COLLABORATION THERE. UM, TO THE POINT OF PROGRAMMING, I MENTIONED AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, ARE THE CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR OUR PRESERVATION MERIT AWARDS ARE CURRENTLY OPEN THEY'LL CLOSE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST FOR PROJECTS, PRESERVATION PROJECTS, ADVOCACY EFFORTS, ET CETERA AROUND AUSTIN. UM, IF THERE'S ANY CASES THAT YOU'VE REVIEWED, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH PRESERVATION IN THE CITY, AND SO WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUBMIT A NOMINATION AND YOU CAN FIND INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, UM, ON PRESERVATION, AUSTIN.ORG. UM, WE ALSO JUST GOT WORD THAT, UH, WE RECEIVED RENEWED FUNDING FROM THE FOWLER FAMILY FOUNDATION FOR TWO UNDERREPRESENTED HERITAGE INTERNS. UM, WE, WE HAD OUR FIRST ROUND OF INTERNS THIS LAST YEAR AND THEY DID AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK LOOKING INTO RESEARCHING ARCHIVAL, RESEARCHING AND REACHING OUT TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, TO DOCUMENT MEXICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE SITES. SO THIS YEAR'S ROUND OF INTERNS WILL BE FOCUSING ON, UH, WOMEN'S HERITAGE SITES IN AUSTIN. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND LASTLY, OUR ANNUAL MEETING IS COMING UP ON AUGUST 23RD. IT'LL BE AT THE FRENCH LOCATION. UM, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN JOIN US AT THAT. AND YOU CAN FIND MORE INFORMATION AT PRESERVATION, AUSTIN.ORG AS WELL. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDATE. THANK YOU GUYS, AND HAVE A GREAT MEETING. THANK YOU, MEGAN. MY MICROPHONE KEEPS DRIFTING AWAY FROM ME. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, UM, FOR VOTE IS [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] APPROVAL OF MINUTES. THAT'S OFFERED FOR [ Consent Agenda] CONSENT. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA HERE ONCE AND ANY ITEM THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT AND NO ONE PULLS IT. UM, WHEN WE VOTE, IT WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED AND YOU MAY LEAVE THE, UM, CITY HALL CHAMBERS. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO AN ITEM THAT'S OFFERED FOR CONSENT, RAISE YOUR HAND OR OTHERWISE GET MY ATTENTION AND WE'LL PULL IT. AND WE'LL, UH, WE'LL THEN DISCUSS IT IN THE ORDER THAT IT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA. SO THE FIRST ITEM ARE THE MINUTES OF JULY 6TH, 2022, WHICH IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. THEN WE WILL HAVE BRIEFINGS ONE BY THE LAW DEPARTMENT, AN UPDATE WITH GRANTS COMMITTING THEN INITIAL CONCEPTS FOR HERITAGE WAYFINDING DESIGN, [00:05:01] THEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. HISTORIC ZONING APPLICATIONS. WE HAVE 1 16 0 5 LIANA STREET THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM AND HISTORIC LANDMARK AND LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATIONS. 5 63 0 1 BLUFF SPRINGS ROAD WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. THIS IS THE, UH, SEBRING SNEAD HOUSE, THE LONGEST, UM, APPEARING ITEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR THE PAST 14 YEARS. NEXT ITEM 6 39 0 9 AVENUE G IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. SEVEN 4,005 AVENUE B IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT ITEM 8, 11 26 WEST SIXTH STREET WILL BE DISCUSSED ALONG WITH ITEM. I BELIEVE IT'S 21. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. WHICH IS UH, THE 1100 BLOCK OF WEST SIXTH STREET. AND WE'LL TAKE THOSE UP. UH, WHEN WE REACH ITEM EIGHT, NUMBER 9, 8 13 PARK BOULEVARD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. NUMBER 10, AN APPLICATION FOR 1304. NEW MEANING HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN UNDER NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT PERMIT APPLICATIONS. WE HAVE ANOTHER BUNCH FROM TRAVIS HEIGHTS, FIVE 12 EAST MONROE STREET. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT OF THAT ITEM. NUMBER 12 IS NOT USED NUMBER 13, 13, 15, AND 13 AND 17, UH, MOONING AVENUE. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT, SO IT WILL MOVE OVER TO THE CONSENT PLUS PODIUM ITEM LIST. THANK YOU. 14, 12 0 5 ALTA VISTA AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. AND IF YOUR ITEMS DO YOU PASS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BE SURE TO LOOK AT THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ALL PROPERTIES THAT ARE APPROVED WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. THAT'S EIGHT BY 10 COLOR PHOTOS ON PHOTOGRAPHIC PAPER, ALL ELEVATIONS, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, AND, UH, A NARRATIVE HISTORY FOR ARCHIVING AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. MADAM CHAIR, ITEM 14, 12 5 ALTAVISTA AVENUE HAS OPPOSED SPEAKERS. SO IT WILL MOVE TO DISCUSSION. SO WE'LL PULL THAT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, TAKE THAT OFF THE CONSENT. 4 0 7 EAST MONROE IS ALSO OFFERED FOR CONSENT. WE HAVE A SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION, SO THAT WILL BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION 2107 BRACKENRIDGE STREET. THE SAME THING. OKAY. 16, 16 NORTHUMBERLAND ROAD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. 26 0 7. MCCALLUM DRIVE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT 19, UH, 1217 BICKLER ROAD WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY AND WE'RE 20 18 0 4. BRECKENRIDGE STREET IS OFFERED FOR DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK, I MEAN OFFERED FOR IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSED, BUT I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT THAT BE POSTPONED. SO IT WILL BE ANOTHER POSTPONEMENT. I KNOW THEIR CONSENT POSTPONE THAT THEN THE ITEM ON NUMBER 21, 11 16 ON 1116, B WEST SIXTH STREET. UH, OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT WILL BE HEARD ALONG WITH NUMBER EIGHT, NUMBER 22, 26, 11 WEBER VILLE ROAD WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM UNDER DEMOLITION. AND PARDON ME? MADAME CHAIR, UH, ITEM 22. IT WAS AN ERROR ON THE AGENDA. IT IS A CONSENT ITEM THOUGH. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION OR ANY COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION, WE CAN, BUT IT WAS MEANT TO BE A CONSENT ITEM. UM, I SEE COMMISSIONER, UM, [00:10:01] FORMER COMMISSIONER LINNBAKER AND IS HERE, DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM? OKAY. AWESOME. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS NUMBER 22, 26, 11 WEBER ADVIL ROAD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. THEN UNDER DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION PERMIT APPLICATIONS. NUMBER 23 1400 GARDENS STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. NUMBER 24 16 0 1. CEDAR ADAM AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT, AND I WANT TO COMMEND THE APPLICANTS FOR REVISING THEIR PLANS TO RETAIN THE HISTORIC CRAFTSMEN FEATURES OF THIS HOUSE. 31 0 7 31 0 7. SPEEDWAY WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. 15, 14 NEWTON STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PULL THAT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AND COMMISSIONERS. THERE IS SOME, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT IN YOUR BACKUP THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS PROPERTY ON 15, 14 NEWTON STREET ITEM 27, 6 0 9 EAST 50TH STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT 28, 22 0 1 EAST 16TH STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. UM, PARDON ME? MADAME CHAIR. UH, 2201 EAST 16TH STREET HAS AN OPPOSING SPEAKER. SO IT WILL BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER 28 WOULD BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. AND THE LAST ITEM, UM, UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, NUMBER 29, 4,008 NORTH LAMAR BOULEVARD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. AND IS IT HOUR? IS THIS THE HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED? YES. UH, WE WILL BE, UH, UH, 4 0 8 NORTH LAMAR AVENUE. UH, EXCUSE ME. YEAH, BOULEVARD, UH, HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED WITHOUT A PERMIT. SO WHY ARE WE OFFERING IT FOR CONSENT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION? WE DEFINITELY CAN. AND, UM, YEAH, DISCUSS THAT ITEM. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO PULL THAT RATHER THAN JUST PASS IT ON. YEAH, OF COURSE. OF COURSE. THANK YOU. WE WERE JUST MADE AWARE OF THIS THIS MORNING, SO YEAH, THEN WE HAVE A NOTE ITEMS UNDER DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT TAX ABATEMENT, NO ITEMS. THEN WE'LL HAVE A COMMITTEE UPDATES, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND ADJOURNMENT BEFORE 11 O'CLOCK, MAYBE BEFORE 10 O'CLOCK. WOULD YOU PLEASE READ BACK WHAT NOW IS ON THE, UM, IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY. OF COURSE, ITEMS FOR CONSENT. UH, THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE JULY 6TH, 2022 MEETING, UH, ITEM 6 3909 AVENUE, G ITEM SEVEN, 4,005 AVENUE B ITEM 9, 8 13 PARK BOULEVARD ITEMS 17 16 16 NORTHUMBERLAND ROAD ITEM 18 2607 MCCALLUM DRIVE ITEM 24 1601 CEDAR AVENUE, ITEM 27, SORRY, ITEM 22 26, 11 WESTERVILLE ROAD ITEM 27, 6 0 9 EAST 50TH STREET. I'M SORRY. UM, WHEREVER ROAD, YES. OR DISCUSSION ITEMS. ARE THEY NOT? NO, YES. I WAS A STAFF ERROR ON THE AGENDA. IT WAS, YOU HAVE TO CONSENT. SO JUST TO REITERATE THE MINUTES AND THEN THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, 6 7 9 17 18 22 24 AND 27 1 MOMENT. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? AND COULD I HAVE A LOOK AHEAD AND I'LL SECOND IT, UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE A QUICK ASIDE ON THAT TO STAFF TO ASK THE APPLICANT FOR NUMBER 9, 8, 13 [00:15:01] PARK BOULEVARD, TO ENSURE THAT THE NEW, THE NEW FENCE CONSTRUCTION AROUND THE PROPERTY IS SUFFICIENTLY DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE EXISTING HISTORIC FENCING AT THE CORNER. IT SHOULD BE SIMILAR, BUT SHOULD BE VISUALLY DISCERNIBLE AS NOT HISTORIC CONSTRUCTION CAN DO. OKAY. UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAIM SOUTH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COOK TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. AYE. AND WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER HEIM, SETH AND COMMISSIONER CASTILLO, UH, ARE ON BOARD HERE TONIGHT. SOME, UH, NOTE THAT THAT THEY'RE PRESENT. OKAY. NOW, UH, WOULD YOU READ THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT? WE HAVE SEVERAL, YES. UH, FOR CONSENT POSTPONEMENT POSTPONEMENTS, WE HAVE ITEM 11 FIVE, UH, FIVE 12 EAST MONROE STREET, APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT, UH, ITEM 13, 13, 15 AND 13, 17 AND UNION AVENUE, APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT AND THEN ITEM 2018 AND FOUR BRACKENRIDGE STREET, WHICH IS ALSO AN APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT. OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT? SO MOVED SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, SAY AYE. AYE. IT PASSES. SO WE'LL GO BACK TO, UM, THE BRIEFINGS. [2. Law Department – Update with Grants Committee] DO WE HAVE A BRIEFING FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT? YES. IF YOUR ITEM PASSED ON CONSENT, PLEASE LEAVE QUIETLY. AND THE, UM, STAFF WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU VERY SHORTLY. UM, ABOUT YOUR ITEMS, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. I WAS WAITING FOR THEM TO BRING UP THE PRESENTATION. MY NAME IS, UH, YOU WERE ASKING WHAT YOUR GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME IS NEIL FOUL. DO MY PRONOUNS. ARE HE HIM? I'M AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY HERE IN THE LAW DEPARTMENT. UM, I WANT TO HELP Y'ALL GET OUT OF HERE, UH, BEFORE 10 O'CLOCK. SO, UH, YOU HAVE MY PRESENTATION I BELIEVE. AND, UH, OR WE CAN PROVIDE A COPY OF IT TO YOU. I'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH IT QUICKLY. I PRESENTED THIS PRESENTATION TO THE GRANTS COMMITTEE, UH, SOME MONTHS AGO, COMMISSIONER TALLAGHT AND, UH, AND I WAS INVITED HERE TO PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION FOR THE FULL COMMISSION. SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE PURPOSE FOR OUR BRIEFING THIS EVENING IS TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE LEGAL RISKS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH USING CLASSIFICATIONS, SUCH AS RACE, GENDER, AND OTHER PROTECTED CLASS CRITERIA WHEN DETERMINING FUNDING OR GRANT, UH, GRANT FUNDING OR CONTRACTS, UH, RELATED TO, UH, PROGRAMS THAT ARE OFFERED BY THE CITY. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WHY ARE WE DOING THIS PRESENTATION NOW? UM, SO EARLIER THIS YEAR THERE WERE SEVERAL, UH, FEDERAL COURT DECISIONS THAT, UH, SORT OF RAISED OUR LEGAL ANTENNA AND THE LAW DEPARTMENT, UH, SEVERAL ATTORNEYS, UH, UNDERTOOK A DELIBERATIVE PROCESS TO EVALUATE THOSE CASES AND DETERMINE WHAT SORT OF IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON, UH, GRANT FUNDING RELATED TO THE CITY, PARTICULARLY WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. UH, WE MET WITH THE CLIENTS WITH OUR CLIENTS AND THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND WENT OVER. SOME OF OUR CONCERNS THEN PROVIDED A BRIEFING TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND A CITY COUNCIL ASKED US TO, UH, PROVIDE BRIEFINGS TO ANY COMMISSIONS THAT REQUESTED, UH, THAT REQUESTED SUCH A BRIEFING. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT. WE'VE PRESENTED TO, I BELIEVE THE ARTS COMMISSION, THE MUSIC COMMISSION, UM, AND THEN THE GRANTS COMMITTEE FOR THIS COMMISSION. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FIRST TO, FOR US TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, HOW WE ENDED UP HERE, A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY ABOUT THE CITY OF AUSTIN. UH, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS A HISTORY OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE 1928 MASTER PLAN THAT CREATED A QUOTE UNQUOTE NEGRO DISTRICT. UH, THERE'S ALSO RED LINING, UH, URBAN RENEWAL POLICIES AND THE SEASONING OF BLACK OWNED LAND ON THE EAST SIDE THROUGH EMINENT DOMAIN THAT WAS USED TO CLEAR NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, THESE POLICIES ALL, UH, LED TO THE OPPRESSION OF BLACK INDIGENOUS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES OF COLOR IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN LAST YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL APOLOGIZED FOR THAT INTENTIONAL RACIST DISCRIMINATION AND COMMITTED TO CORRECTING, UH, THOSE, UH, HISTORICAL PRACTICES. AND ONE OF THE WAYS [00:20:01] THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT IS THROUGH EQUITABLE FUNDING OF GRANT PROGRAMS. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE CITY'S EQUITY OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING, UH, UH, FOR THE PAST, I WOULD SAY SIX TO NINE MONTHS, UH, WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON SOME PROGRAMS RELATED TO PROJECT CONNECT AND, UH, SOME EFFORTS TO PREVENT DISPLACEMENT. UH, THEY ISSUED THE NOTHING ABOUT US WITHOUT US REPORT. AND THAT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF THE CITY'S RACIST PAST, UH, THAT INCLUDED PROPOSALS TO CENTER RACE EQUITY IN THE EVALUATION OF GRANT PROPOSALS. UH, THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ALSO WANTED TO USE THAT REPORT AS A FRAMEWORK FOR EVALUATING CULTURAL ARTS FUNDING AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION ALSO HAD SOME INTEREST IN USING THAT AS A FRAMEWORK FOR A GRANT FUNDING AS WELL. SO WHILE THE, THE TOOLS THAT, UH, THE EQUITY OFFICE DEVELOPED, UH, CORRECTLY FOCUS ON, UH, THE, THE REMEDYING PAST DISCRIMINATION, UH, THE IMPACT OF INEQUITABLE AID THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF DISPLACEMENT, UH, WHEN THE LAW DEPARTMENT DETERMINED THAT THESE RACE, RACE BASED CLASSIFICATIONS PRESENTED SOME INCREASED LEGAL RISK TO THE CITY, UM, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE RECENT LEGAL DEVELOPMENTS AND SOME OF THE CASES THAT ARE COMING UP BEFORE THE U S SUPREME COURT, UH, NEXT TERM, WHICH BEGINS IN OCTOBER. UH, SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO I WANT TO PROVIDE YOU JUST WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGAL FOUNDATION. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW CLASS, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A FOUNDATION FOR UNDERSTANDING OUR ANALYSIS AND HOW WE ENDED UP AT OUR CONCLUSIONS. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE 14TH AMENDMENT AND THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE, AND THAT CLAUSE STATES THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN NOT DENY TO ANY PERSON THE EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT USES A CERTAIN CLASSIFICATIONS TO SEPARATE PEOPLE INTO DIFFERENT GROUPS, THEN THE COURTS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT WITH SUSPICION. AND DEPENDING UPON THE TYPE OF CLASSIFICATION THAT'S USED, THEY WILL, THEY WILL EMPLOY DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS ARE LEGAL. UH, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO START FROM THE BOTTOM OF THIS SLIDE, UM, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT MAKES DISTINCTIONS BASED ON AGE DISABILITY, WEALTH OF FELONY STATUS THAT, UH, USES THE LOWEST LEVEL OF ANALYSIS, THE RATIONAL BASIS REVIEW AND THAT SITUATION, UH, THE GOVERNMENT ONLY NEEDS A RATIONAL CONNECTION TO A LEGITIMATE INTEREST UNDER THIS FRAMEWORK. UH, ALMOST ANY DISTINCTION WILL PASS A CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW AS THE LOWEST LEVEL OF VIEW. UH, MOVING UP, UH, INTERMEDIATE SCRUTINY IS USED TO EVALUATE CLASSIFICATIONS BASED ON GENDER SEX. AND WE THINK SEXUAL ORIENTATION, THE SUPREME COURT HAS NEVER SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED SEXUAL ORIENTATION. WE THINK IT FALLS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF SEX, UM, UNDER INTERMEDIATE SCRUTINY. THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE POLICY IS SUBSTANTIALLY RELATED TO AN IMPORTANT PURPOSE UNDER THIS LEVEL OF EVALUATION. UM, MOST CLASSIFICATIONS, BUT NOT ALL WILL, UH, FAIL CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW. AND THEN THE MOST LEVEL OF A REVIEW IS STRICT SCRUTINY. THAT'S WHEN CLASSIFICATIONS ARE BASED ON RACE NATIONAL ORIGIN, RELIGION, OR ALIEN EDGE. AND IN THIS SITUATION, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT ITS DISTINCTIONS ARE NARROWLY TAILORED TO MEET A COMPELLING GOVERNMENT PURPOSE. ALMOST ALL DISTINCTIONS WILL FAIL UNDER THIS LEVEL OF REVIEW. SO WHENEVER WE'RE MAKING DISTINCTIONS BASED ON RACE, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE USING RACE AS A, AS AN EVALUATION TOOL AND GRANT FUNDING, THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO FAIL, UH, COURT REVIEW, UH, UNDER THE 14TH AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THIS IS JUST, UM, A MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF WHAT STRICT SCRUTINY, UH, MEANS. UM, ANY GOVERNMENT PROGRAM THAT TAKES RACE INTO ACCOUNT FACES STRICT SCRUTINY BY THE COURTS. IT'S THE MOST RIGOROUS LEGAL REVIEW AND COURTS WILL START WITH THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE POLICY IS INVALID AND THE BURDEN, UH, TO SHOW THAT IT IS A VALID POLICY RESTS WITH THE GOVERNMENT. SO THAT'S A, THAT BURDEN IS REVERSED [00:25:01] THEN, UH, FROM MOST OTHER SITUATIONS, UH, IN MOST SITUATIONS, UH, WE DON'T START WITH THE PRESUMPTION THAT A POLICY IS INVALID. CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OR EXAMPLES AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS? I ACTUALLY, UH, AND A FEW SLIDES, WE'LL TALK ABOUT TWO CASES WHERE THIS LEVEL OF REVIEW IS EMPLOYED. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHETHER THERE'S A COMPELLING GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST, THE GOVERNMENT OR THE CITY IN THIS CASE HAS TO SHOW THAT THERE IS ACTUAL, UH, DISCRIMINATION IN THE MARKET AND THAT THE GOVERNMENT EITHER ACTIVELY OR PASSIVELY, UH, PERPETUATED THAT DISCRIMINATION. NOW THAT'S WHAT THE COURTS HAVE SAID. UH, WE'LL SEE, IN ONE OF THE CASES COMING UP THAT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS HOW IT'S APPLIED AND THE OUTCOMES DON'T ALWAYS EXACTLY FOLLOW THE RULE THAT THE COURTS HAVE SAID. UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THEN FOR POLICY TO BE, UH, NARROWLY TAILORED, UM, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO SHOW THAT IT CONSIDERED OTHER RACE NEUTRAL POLICIES BEFORE EMPLOYING, UH, RACIAL CLASSIFICATIONS AND THAT THOSE RACE NEUTRAL POLICIES FAILED TO ACHIEVE THE GOVERNMENT'S INTERESTS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO ONE OF THE, UH, CASES THAT I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AND THAT WE RELY ON HEAVILY HERE AT THE CITY FOR SOME OF OUR MINORITY, UH, CONTRACTING GOALS, UH, WITH, UH, UH, SMALL AND MINORITY BUSINESS, UH, OFFICE IS A CITY OF RICHMOND VERSUS J A CROSON. UH, THIS IS A CASE THAT HAS BEEN SETTLED LAW FOR 30 YEARS. UM, AS YOU'LL SEE IN A FEW SLIDES IN MY PRESENTATION, THE FACT THAT SOMETHING IS SETTLED LAW FOR 30 YEARS DOES NOT ALWAYS, UH, CARRY SIGNIFICANT WEIGHT WITH THE SUPREME COURT. I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO IN THIS CASE, A PRIVATE COMPANY HAD BID FOR A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF RICHMOND, UM, AND, UH, CHALLENGE THE CITY'S PLAN TO REQUIRE AT LEAST 30%, UH, OF PRIME CONTRACTORS TO MEET CERTAIN MINORITY CONTRACTING GOALS. UH, THE ISSUE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COURT TO THE SUPREME COURT IN THIS CASE WAS WHETHER THAT RACIAL QUOTA POLICY VIOLATED THE 14TH AMENDMENT EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE. THE MAJORITY OF THE COURT CONCLUDED THAT THE CITY'S PROGRAM REQUIRING CERTAIN QUOTAS, UH, DID NOT MEET, UM, CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND ACTUALLY STRUCK DOWN THE CITIES, UH, PROGRAM IN THIS SITUATION. BUT WHAT THE COURT DID WAS IT PROVIDED A PATH AND, AND ANALYSIS THAT ALLOWS CITIES TO DEVELOP PROGRAMS THAT DO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND SO BASED ON THIS CASE AND THE GUIDANCE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE COURT, UM, CITIES ARE NOW DOING A COMPREHENSIVE DISPARITY STUDIES, UM, AND THEY UNDERTAKE THOSE DISPARITIES, UH, DISPARITY STUDIES TO EXAMINE WHETHER CONTRACTING OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN A SPECIFIC MARKET ARE UNFAIRLY DENIED TO MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES. UM, IF DISPARITIES ARE FOUND, UH, THEN THE GOVERNMENT IS REQUIRED TO FORMULATE A VERY SPECIFIC PLAN TO REMEDIES, REMEDY THOSE DISPARITIES. NOW, IT SOUNDS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YOU DO A DISPARITY STUDY, YOU MAKE CONCLUSIONS, YOU IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM, BUT THESE DISPARITY STUDIES OFTEN TAKE YEARS TO COMPLETE AND CAN COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED A DISPARITY STUDY THAT TOOK, I BELIEVE, UH, FIVE TO SIX YEARS TO COMPLETE. IT REQUIRES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DATA AND ANALYSIS. AND WE ACTUALLY HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT WHO HAS SPECIFIC EXPERTISE IN THESE STUDIES, UH, TO CONDUCT THAT WORK. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, UH, THE RECENT CASES THAT I MENTIONED, UH, UP AT THE, UP AT THE FRONT OF THE PRESENTATION ARE RELATED TO, UH, THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE PANDEMIC HAS HAD A DISPROPORTIONATE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND OTHER MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IMPLEMENTED SEVERAL LEAD RELIEF PROGRAMS AIMED AT ADDRESSING THOSE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE PROGRAMS HAVE DRAWN LEGAL CHALLENGES FROM CONSERVATIVE ACTIVIST GROUPS AND A RESULTED IN GRANT FUNDING UNDER THOSE UNDER THOSE PROGRAMS, UH, BEING FROZEN, UH, DURING THE, UH, DURING THE LAWSUITS. UH, ONE OF THE PROGRAMS WE'LL LOOK AT AS A SMALL [00:30:01] BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION GRANT FOR RESTAURANT OWNERS. AND THE SECOND IS A DEBT RELIEF PROGRAM FOR BLACK FARMERS. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE FIRST CASE IS THAT SBA PROGRAM FOR A RESTAURANT OWNERS, IT'S A CASE FROM THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA. UM, SUIT WAS FILED IN THE U S DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS. UH, IN THIS PROGRAM, THE, THE SBA HAD SET UP A GRANT RELIEF, UH, PROGRAMS FOR RESTAURANTS. AND DURING THE FIRST 21 DAYS OF THE GRANT FUNDING, THEY PRIORITIZE, UH, RECIPIENTS BASED ON RACE, GENDER, AND ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED STATUS, UH, GREER, WHO IS THE OWNER OF GREER'S RANCH. UM, AND HE, UH, UH, OWNS A RESTAURANT IN STEVENSVILLE. HE SUED TO PREVENT, UH, THE GRANT MONEY FROM BEING AWARDED, UH, BEFORE THE PROGRAM WAS OPEN DURING THAT PRIORITY PERIOD. UH, HE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS ALSO OPEN TO A WHITE MALE RESTAURANT OWNERS. SO, UH, THE COURTS, UH, FROZE THAT PROGRAM, UM, CONCLUDING THAT THE CLASSIFICATION OR THE PRIORITIZATION BASED ON RACE DID NOT MEET STRICT SCRUTINY, UH, THAT THE PRIORITIZATION BASED ON SEX DID NOT MEET INTERMEDIATE SCRUTINY. UM, AND THEN THE, UH, CLASSIFICATION BASED ON, UH, ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED STATUS OR VETERAN STATUS DID MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF RATIONAL BASIS, WHICH IS THE LOWEST LEVEL OF REVIEW. SO ALL OF THE PROGRAM FUNDING RELATED TO, UH, RACE AND GENDER WAS, UH, FROZEN. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THE SECOND CASE IS, UM, W MORE TROUBLING, I THINK, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT INVOLVED A $4 BILLION AID PACKAGE FOR BLACK FARMERS. AND, UM, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, UM, AND THEIR, UH, RELATIONSHIP WITH BLACK FARMERS IN THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A LONG, AND WELL-DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BLACK FARMERS, UH, BY THE USDA. AND IN 2010, THE USDA SETTLED THE LARGEST, UH, CIVIL RIGHTS CASE IN HISTORY TO RESOLVE, UH, DISCRIMINATION CLAIMS BROUGHT BY BLACK FARMERS IN THE SOUTH. AND THE SETTLEMENT SO FAR HAS REACHED TO NEARLY $1.2 BILLION. UM, THIS A $4 BILLION AID PACKAGE, UM, WAS OFFERED TO, UH, UH, FORGIVE LOANS THAT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO BLACK FARMERS. AND THE USDA ASSERTED THAT THIS RELIEF WAS NECESSARY TO REMEDY ITS OWN PAST DISCRIMINATION, ACTIVE DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BLACK FARMERS. SO, BASED ON, UH, WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, A DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AND A PROGRAM THAT IS NARROWLY TAILORED TO REDRESS THAT DISCRIMINATION, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE UPHELD BY THE COURTS THAT IT WOULD BE APPROVED. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, SO TEXAS AGRICULTURAL COMMISSIONER, SID MILLER FILED SUIT WITH FINANCIAL BACKING FROM A GROUP, UH, LED BY STEPHEN MILLER. UH, THE COURT STRUCK DOWN THE BLACK FARMER, UH, PROGRAM BECAUSE THE COURT DETERMINED IT FAILED TO SHOW THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A DOCUMENTED PAST DISCRIMINATION, THERE WAS NO CURRENT DISCRIMINATION. UM, IT SORT OF REMINDS ME OF WHEN CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS SAID THAT, UH, RACISM IN ELECTIONS, UH, NO LONGER EXISTS THAT WAY. UH, SO, SO THEREFORE WE CAN GET RID OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. UH, THE COURT DETERMINED THAT THE USDA DID NOT MEET, UH, THE HIGH STRICT SCRUTINY STANDARD, UM, AND STRUCK DOWN THE PROGRAM. UM, SOME SALT IN THE WOUND IS THAT, UH, THE COURT CERTIFIED, UH, WHITE FARMERS AS A CLASS AND A CLASS ACTION, UM, IN THIS CASE, AND, UH, CERTIFYING A CLASS, A FEDERAL CLASS FOR A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT IS QUITE DIFFICULT. SO IT WAS SURPRISING THAT, UM, NOT ONLY DID THEY STRIKE DOWN THE PROGRAM, BUT THEY ALSO, UH, CLASSIFIED WHITE FARMERS AS A CLASS, UH, IN THE CASE WERE NOT DONE WITH THE BAD NEWS. SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, THIS ALL HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR THE CITY'S GRANT PROGRAMS, UH, [00:35:01] BECAUSE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THOSE TWO CASES, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO AVOID ENDING UP IN COURT, UH, IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THIS YEAR'S PAST A SUPREME COURT TERM AND THE TERM COMING UP IN OCTOBER, UM, I THINK IT PROVIDES A CAUTIONARY TALE FOR ALL OF US, UM, THE, UH, COURT THIS PAST, UM, THIS PAST, UH, SESSION OVERRULED ROE VS. WADE, WHICH WAS PRECEDENT FOR 40 YEARS. UM, ALSO OVERRULED A SCHOOL PRAYER CASE, THE LEMON TEST, WHICH WAS ALSO SETTLED LAW. UM, THIS UPCOMING TERM, UH, PRESENTS A CHALLENGE TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ADMISSION POLICIES AT HARVARD AND UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA. UH, UH, THE COURT HAS, UH, HAD SETTLED LAW IN THIS AREA FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, AND THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR THE COURT TO TAKE UP THESE CASES OTHER THAN TO OVERTURN THAT PRECEDENT. UH, THE COURT HAS ALSO ACCEPTED A CASE THAT CHALLENGES LOCAL PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION AND NON-DISCRIMINATION LAWS, UM, POSING THE QUESTION, WHETHER A BUSINESS HAS A FREEDOM OF SPEECH, RIGHT, THAT WOULD OVERCOME PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION AND NON-DISCRIMINATION LAWS. UH, THIS CASE INVOLVES A WEB DESIGNER WHO WANTS TO DESIGN WEDDING WEBSITES, BUT DOES NOT WANT TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO SAME-SEX COUPLES, ARGUING THAT SHE HAS A FREE SPEECH, RIGHT? UH, NOT TO ENGAGE IN THAT KIND OF, UM, BUSINESS. THE COURT HAS ALSO ACCEPTED TWO CASES THAT, UH, CHALLENGE THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND ALSO CHALLENGES A STATE JUDICIAL REVIEW OF ELECTIONS. SO, UH, THIS UPCOMING TERM, WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR WATCH LIST, UH, IN THE AREA OF, UH, CIVIL RIGHTS NON-DISCRIMINATION AND, UH, RACIAL EQUITY. AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE A PARTICULARLY GOOD TERM FOR, UH, ANY OF THOSE, ANY OF THOSE CASES. UM, SO THAT IS THE SUM OF MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR US? SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE FOR, IF, IF WE CHOOSE TO, UM, MAKE GRANT FUNDING DECISIONS THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, THOSE PROTECTED CLASSES, UH, THAT I DISCUSSED, THEN THAT PRESENTS A HIGH LEGAL RISK TO THE CITY. UM, WE'VE I SEE THAT, UH, SILL NOVIA, HOLT, ROB, THE DIRECTOR OF EDD ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS HERE WITH US, WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING IN CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CLIENT DEPARTMENTS ON HOW TO BEST ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. AND, UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING SOME STRATEGIES TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT AREA. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL NAVEA HAS ANYTHING SHE'D LIKE TO ADD. NOT AT THIS TIME. I HAVE A QUESTION SHARP SINCE, UH, PRESERVATION PRESENTS A RECORD OF OUR HISTORY AND A RECORD OF DISCRIMINATION, WOULD THERE NOT BE A CASE TO ARGUE FOR MORE REPRESENTATION OF MINORITIES THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERREPRESENTED HISTORICALLY BECAUSE OUR HISTORIC LANDMARKS ARE A PICTURE OF OUR SEGREGATED HISTORY. AND WHILE THERE MAY NOT BE BUSINESSES CURRENTLY BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, THEY ARE A SNAPSHOT OF ALL THAT DISCRIMINATION AND COULDN'T HAVE NOT BE AN ARGUMENT TO SAY THAT IS CURRENT AND ACTIVE. SURE. THAT'S AN ARGUMENT. UM, I THINK THE USDA HAD A SIMILAR ARGUMENT. THEY HAD LONG HISTORY OF DOCUMENTED, UH, DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BLACK FARMERS, AND IT STILL WENT THE OTHER WAY. SO I THINK THAT THE LEGAL LANDSCAPE THAT WE FACE IN THE FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IS JUST NOT ONE IN WHICH WE WOULD WANT TO END UP IN COURT ON THAT I COULD, YES. UH, COMMISSIONER HOME. SETH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OVERVIEW. UH, AND IT CONCERNS ME GREATLY. UM, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AND ARE WORKING [00:40:01] VERY SERIOUSLY TO ADDRESS WHAT HAS BEEN A LEGACY OF BIAS AND DISCRIMINATION IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MOVEMENT WRIT LARGE, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER PLACE IN THAT REGARD. AND THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE, UH, MAKING AN EFFORT WITH AN EQUITY-BASED UPDATE OF OUR PRESERVATION PLAN, UH, HAS HAD A LOT OF INPUT AND IS VERY PROUD OF THAT WORK. UH, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THIS WORK. UH, THIS DOESN'T INVOLVE SPECIFICALLY GRANT FUNDING NECESSARILY, BUT A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES THAT ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE PROGRAM OVERALL, BUT SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS AS AN OBJECTIVE. SHARON, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. YEAH. I MEAN, I I'M AWARE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU ALL ARE WORKING ON, THAT THE EQUITY OFFICE IS WORKING ON. UM, I WOULD NOT DISCOURAGE YOU FROM MOVING FORWARD IN SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS. UM, I WOULD ADD THAT, MAKE SURE THAT THE LAW DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED AND IS AWARE SO THAT WE CAN ADVISE YOU AND THE DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU WORK WITH AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GAVE THIS PRESENTATION, UH, IN THE SPRING, I WAS TALKING ABOUT ROE VS WADE AND THE DOBBS DECISION. AND I SAID, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY LIKELY THAT IT WOULD BE THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE COURTS SWUNG FOR THE FENCES. AND THAT CASE WAS SURPRISING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. UM, AND I THINK THAT, UH, THE COURT IS JUST GETTING STARTED. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FINISHED. THE COURT IS FINDING ITS FOOTING WITH THOSE CASES. AND I THINK NEXT TERM WE'LL PROVIDE A CHALLENGE FOR ANYONE WHO SEEKS TO, UM, REMEDY THE, UH, PAST RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN OUR COUNTRY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WATCH PARTICULARLY THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ADMISSION CASES, UH, WITH THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES. UM, AGAIN, THAT HAS BEEN AN AREA OF SETTLED LAW FOR DECADES NOW. AND, UH, IF THE COURT, UH, OVERTURNS THAT, UH, THAT PRECEDENT, THEN IT WILL, UH, SORT OF, UH, IT WILL MAKE, UH, THESE EFFORTS A LOT MORE DIFFICULT THEORETICALLY THEN WITH THE CITY DISCOURAGE US, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, UM, DO FROM ADOPTING AN EQUITY-BASED PRESERVATION PLAN. UM, SO, UH, FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT'S PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE HERE TO ADVISE YOU ON THE LEGAL RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE. UM, WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR, UH, DEPARTMENT, OUR CLIENT DEPARTMENTS AND, UH, ADVISE THEM ACCORDINGLY, UM, AND ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD. AND THE WAY THAT THEY FEEL IS MOST APPROPRIATE CONSIDERING, UH, THE POLICY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT ALONG WITH EVALUATING THE LEGAL RISKS THAT, UH, THAT SUCH A DECISION WOULD, WOULD POSE. SO THAT WOULD BE WELL, PUTS A DAMPER ON THINGS, NEIL, IF I COULD INTERJECT YES. ON THAT WOULD BE A HOPE LAB WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. YES, IT IS THE, UM, DISCOURAGING, BUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS STILL LEADING WITH A RACIAL EQUITY LENS, JUST, UH, ADJUSTED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ON HOW WE, UH, GET OR ACHIEVE THE OUTCOMES WE WANTED. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN OUR LAST, UM, PROGRAM AROUND MUSIC IN GRANTS, WE ASKED QUESTIONS AROUND, UH, EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT. HOW MANY TIMES YOU HAVE THE MOOD? WHAT IS YOUR BANKING HISTORY? BECAUSE A LOT OF, UM, NOT A LOT, BUT YOU TEND TO FIND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN AREAS WE WANT TO HELP BECAUSE OF THE COST OR HAVING TO MOVE OFTEN. THEY DON'T ACCESS THE BANKING YOU'RE IN CERTAIN ZIP CODES. SO WE USE CERTAIN SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THOSE CONCEPTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO, UM, WE WEREN'T, WE WERE PLEASED WITH THE OUTCOME. IF WE COULD HAVE DONE MORE DIRECT QUESTIONING, YES, WE WOULD HAVE ACHIEVED MORE, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO OUR DASHBOARDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR LIVE MUSIC, UH, PROGRAM THAT WE JUST DID. UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE INCORPORATED SOME OF THOSE SIMILAR [00:45:01] QUESTIONS IN OUR HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAM. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY THE COURSE, UM, BUT WORK CLOSELY WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY EVALUATED ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS WITH NEW QUESTIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH. AND AGAIN, UM, IT ACHIEVED GOOD RESULTS, BUT NOT THE BEST RESULTS WE COULD HAVE IF WE WERE TO ASK MORE DIRECT QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, IF I CAN ONE BE CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT DISCOURAGING ANYONE FROM ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS THE HARMS OF PAST DISCRIMINATION IN OUR CITY, WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU WORK WITH US IN THE LAW DEPARTMENT AND WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, UM, WHO, UH, OVERSEE YOUR PROGRAMS, THAT WE JUST HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE CAN BEST MOVE FORWARD. BUT, BUT THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR THE LAW DEPARTMENT, ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES AND, AND ADDRESSING, UH, RACE EQUITY IN OUR PROGRAMS IS A PRIORITY FOR THE LAW DEPARTMENT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT IN THE RIGHT WAY. YES, COMMISSIONER. YEAH, I KNOW. I WOULDN'T CALL IT A DAY. I THINK WE'VE JUST BEEN JUST THAT IT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING AND WE JUST NEED TO PUSH FORWARD IF ANYTHING THAT SHOULD REDOUBLE OUR RESOLVE. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER COULD, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM AND BE CLEAR THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO USE A TORQUE ASSOCIATIONS WITH MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, AS LONG AS WE DON'T MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS DECISION SPECIFICALLY. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU MISS THE FIRST PART THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND A DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC LANDMARKS BASED ON ASSOCIATION WITH MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND REPRESENTING THAT HISTORY WITHOUT SPECIFICALLY SAYING WE'RE MAKING THIS DECISION BECAUSE OF PAST INEQUITIES. I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS HISTORY DIRECTLY HERE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT NONE OF US ARE HESITANT TO IDENTIFY ACKNOWLEDGING DIFFICULT HISTORIES AND MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AS APPROPRIATE HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS, AS LONG AS WE DON'T SAY, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE A DIFFERENT RACE, WE WOULDN'T MAKE THE SAME CALL. RIGHT. I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ACKNOWLEDGE THE HISTORY THAT WE FACE IN THE CITY, UM, AND ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THAT DISCRIMINATION IN WAYS THAT, UH, UH, FALL WITHIN, UH, THE CONSTITUTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS HERE. THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN INTERESTING AND ENLIGHTENING AND, UM, COMMISSIONER, TELL THAT WHAT WAS YOUR, UM, I THINK YOU HAVE BROUGHT THIS BRIEFING TO US TONIGHT OR HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH BRINGING THIS TO US. DID YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR CONCERN? NO, NOT REALLY. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS, IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING, UH, IT, IT REMINDED US, REMINDED ME TOO, THAT THERE ARE VARIOUS THINGS WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND. WE HAVE TO, UH, AS YOU GO THROUGH LIFE, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T REALIZE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A DEEPER BACKGROUND WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE OF USE VALUE TO THE COMMISSION ITSELF. YEAH. I, UM, DOES THERE, SOME, SOME OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE CONSIDERED, I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT. UM, I THINK WE THINK THAT, UH, WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH SOCIAL WITH SOCIETY OR SOCIETAL NORMS AND FORGETTING THAT, UH, THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS SOMETIMES, UH, MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN WHAT'S GOING, WHAT'S ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE IN SOCIETY. SURE. AND WE IN THE LAW DEPARTMENT ARE WATCHING THOSE CASES AT THE SUPREME COURT. WE'LL BE WATCHING THE LEGISLATURE, UH, UH, NEXT YEAR, AS I'M SURE SOME OF THESE ISSUES ISSUES WILL COME UP, UH, AT THE LEGISLATURE AND WE'LL BE PROVIDING ANY UNNECESSARY BRIEFINGS TO OUR CLIENT DEPARTMENTS AND THEN, UH, TO YOU AS WELL, IF NECESSARY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. Y'ALL HAVE GOOD EVENING. A LITTLE SOBERING. UM, NOW [3. Initial Concepts for Heritage Wayfinding Design] WE HAVE, UH, MELISSA ALVARADO AND JOHN BOSIO INITIAL CONCEPTS FOR HERITAGE WAYFINDING DESIGN. YES. GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M WILLIS ALVARADO. I'M THE HERITAGE TOURISM DIVISION MANAGER WITHIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UM, TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE A BRIEFING [00:50:01] ON INITIAL DESIGN CONCEPTS OF WAY FINDING ELEMENTS WITHIN DISTRICTS THAT HAVE HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES. AS A BACKGROUND BACK IN OCTOBER, COUNCIL APPROVED A CONTRACT WITH MERGED DESIGN TO DEVELOP A HERITAGE WAYFINDING MANUAL FOR THESE DISTRICTS THROUGH A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, AS PART OF A REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR, THIS MEETING WITH YOU TODAY IS PART OF THIS ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, AND WE, UH, REALLY WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK AND INPUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, YOUR, UM, CONSIDERATION AND INPUT ON THE REVIEW PROCESS BY BOTH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR PROJECTS ARE WELCOMED A MERGED DESIGN. WE'LL BE SHARING SOME DESIGN CONCEPTS IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS. BUT IN ADDITION, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, THE MERGE DESIGN TEAM WILL BE EXPLORING RESOURCES PROCESS, UH, WORKING THROUGH DESIGN, UM, LOOKING AT PLANNING, PRICE POINTS, MAINTENANCE RECOMMENDATIONS, ALL TO REFINED A WAYFINDING IMPLEMENTATION METHOD WITHIN DISTRICTS. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, MERGE IS ALSO WORKING WITH AN INTERDEPARTMENT STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, COMPRISED OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS WHO HELP HOPE TO GUIDE THIS PROCESS AND INFORM, UM, MERGE OF ANY, UM, POLICIES THAT COULD GREATLY ASSIST THIS NEW PROCESS. AND WITH YOUR INPUT WE'LL, WE WILL BE CREATING SOMETHING THAT WILL HIGHLIGHT AND, UM, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE FOR THE DIVERSE HISTORIES THAT WE HAVE, UM, THROUGHOUT AUSTIN AND TO REALLY CELEBRATE THOSE HISTORIES IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO NOW INTRODUCE PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE, JOHN WITH MERGED DESIGN, JOHN. YEAH. EVERYONE ON JUMBOS. YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, KEEP GOING. NEXT ONE. UM, JUST REAL QUICK ON THE, UH, ON THE MANUAL ITSELF, THIS PARTICULAR PHASE OF IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ACTUAL FABRICATION OR INSTALLATION OF ELEMENTS. THAT'S A SECOND PHASE. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. UM, IN A MOMENT, UM, IT REALLY IS THE FIRST STEP INTO CREATING A DESIGN GUIDE. SO WE'RE BASICALLY DESIGNING SORT OF THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE SYSTEM, BUT THE CONTENT AND THE STORIES THAT WILL BE TOLD WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH THE DISTRICTS AND THE COMMUNITIES AT A, UM, AT THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT. UM, SO IT'S REALLY SORT OF THE FOUNDATIONAL WORK FOR THOSE DISTRICTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED FUNDING. UM, AND IT LAYS THAT FOUNDATION FOR FUTURE ELIGIBLE DISTRICTS. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, IT'S NOT ONLY THE THREE DISTRICTS THAT CURRENTLY HAVE FUNDING. WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT IT. WHAT HAPPENS IF A NEW DISTRICT COMES ON BOARD AND GETS FUNDING? WHAT, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WILL THEY HAVE NEXT SLIDE. AND NEXT SLIDE. SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS REESE, UH, KICKED IT OFF LAST, UH, THE END OF YEAR, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME CONCEPTUAL DESIGN IN APRIL AND MAY AND IN JUNE AND JULY, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN GOING OUT AND GETTING STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK ON THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TONIGHT. SO NEXT SLIDE. UH, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE, UM, HERITAGE WAYFINDING, OR YOU THINK ABOUT WAYFINDING IN GENERAL, WE THINK ABOUT IT HOLISTICALLY. SO IT'S NOT JUST INTERPRETIVE SIGNS AND THAT'S ALL, AND THAT'S IT. UM, THEY ARE A BIG PART OF THIS AND THEY'RE SORT OF CORE TO THE SYSTEM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOMENT SOMEONE SITS DOWN AT THEIR COMPUTER, WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION DO THEY GET? HOW ARE THEY USING THEIR PHONE TO FIND THEIR WAY AND THEIR OPPORTUNITIES FOR A DIGITAL ELEMENT WITHIN THE MANUAL? UM, HOW DOES THE ENVIRONMENT PLAY A ROLE, UM, IN THEIR ABILITY TO FIND THEIR WAY, ARE THERE HISTORIC LANDMARKS THAT ALREADY PROVIDE ORIENTATION AND THEN SUPPORT MATERIAL, BROCHURES OR MAPS THAT CAN ALL BE PART OF AN INTERPRETIVE PLAN THEN OF COURSE, SIGNAGE. SO ANYTHING FROM A DISTRICT GATEWAY TO, UM, VEHICULAR DIRECTIONALS OR PEDESTRIAN, AND OF COURSE, KIOSKS AND INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED WITHIN A WAYFINDING PROGRAM. CERTAIN ONES ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING THROUGH MELISSA'S PROGRAM. NEXT SLIDE. SO JUST REAL QUICK JOURNEY THAT SOMEONE MAY TAKE. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HERITAGE WAYFINDING, UM, THEY MAY GO TO A WEBSITE AND DECIDE TO VISIT DOWNTOWN OR VISIT ONE OF THE DISTRICTS. UM, WHEN THEY GET TO THE DISTRICT, MAYBE THERE'S A BANNER THAT WELCOMES THEM. UH, MAYBE THERE'S A SIDEWALK COMPASS OR SIDEWALK PLAQUE THAT HAS [00:55:01] SOME SORT OF HISTORIC INFORMATION OR HAS A, A TRAIL ON IT. THEY'RE FOLLOWING THEIR PHONE ALONG, MAYBE A WALKING TOUR. AND THEN THEY COME ACROSS AN INTERPRETIVE PANEL, UM, WHICH TELLS THEM THE STORY OF A, OF A PERSON, A PLACE A, OR AN EVENT. UM, THEY MAY HAVE A PRINTED BROCHURE WITH A MAP THAT GIVES THEM INFORMATION AND THEY COULD WALK BY A, UM, UH, HISTORIC MURAL AND THEN GO TO ANOTHER INTERPRETIVE SIGN. SO THEY'RE NOT ALL OF THE THINGS, BUT IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ELEMENTS THAT SOMEBODY MAY COME ACROSS WITHIN A, UM, WITHIN A WAYFINDING TOUR, WAYFINDING JOURNEY, NEXT SLIDE. SO THE MANUAL REALLY LOOKS AT SETTING THAT FOUNDATION. SO IT'S THAT FIRST THREE STEPS YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM THAT ARE IN GRAY. IT'S LOOKING AT THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE, OF THE FUNDING AND THE, UM, MAINTENANCE OF THE PROGRAM, THE COST OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, UM, PROVIDING DISTRICTS INFORMATION ABOUT RESOURCES FOR THEM TO DO RESEARCH, UM, ON THE CONTENT THAT THEY MAY CONSIDER AND THEN THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. SO AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE IT IN THE DESIGN. WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DESIGN THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE STRUCTURES. WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE DETAIL OF THE CONTENT. THAT CONTENT DEVELOPMENT REALLY IS PART OF PHASE TWO, WHICH IS THE IMPLEMENTATION, UM, WHICH WE SHOULD, WHICH WE SHOULD HEAR IN FOUR OR FIVE AND SIX. I'M REALLY GOING THROUGH AT THAT POINT IN INTERPRETIVE PLAN AND WORKING WITH THE DISTRICTS TO DEVELOP WHAT STORIES THEY WANT TO TELL. UM, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AT THAT POINT, MAYBE INCLUSION OF LOCAL ARTISTS. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE DESIGN AND THEN FINALLY IMPLEMENTATION ACTUAL FABRICATION AND INSTALLATION OF THE SYSTEM. SO A LOT OF THE MANUAL ALSO LOOKS AT HOW ARE THESE THINGS PROCURED? HOW ARE THEY MAINTAINED? UM, AND THAT ADMINISTRATIVE ASPECT OF IT. EXCELLENT. THAT'S ABOUT IT. UM, SO WE DO HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYFINDING PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE ON THE DOWNTOWN WAYFINDING SYSTEM. A PILOT PORTION OF THAT HAS GONE OUT AND WE WERE INVOLVED IN THAT PROGRAM AS WELL. PARKS AND REC HAS THEIR PROGRAM. THERE'S THE HISTORIC, TEXAS HISTORIC MARKERS AND OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE WAYFINDING PROGRAMS. SO THIS IS ALL HAS TO BE COORDINATED WITHIN THOSE WORLDS, AS WELL AS A LAYER OF INFORMATION THAT DOES NOT LOOK TO REPLACE ANY OF THOSE ELEMENTS. AND AS WE'RE, THERE ARE RELATED AGENCIES AND APPROVALS. SO LIKE WE'RE IN HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT, I'M GIVING YOU THE SPREE THING. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER APPROVALS AND PROGRAMS OUT THERE. NEXT SLIDE SO THE MANUAL DOESN'T HAVE A RANGE OF DESIGN DIRECTION. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WHERE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO KEEP TEMPLATES. SO IT MAKES IT EASY FOR A DISTRICT. IF THEY WANT TO TELL A STORY, THERE'S ALMOST SORT OF A PLUG AND PLAY IN SORT OF A STANDARD THAT THEY CAN UTILIZE VERY EASILY. UM, SO THERE'S STANDARDS AND TEMPLATES, THEN THERE'S GUIDELINES AND BEST PRACTICES. SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM HOW TO DESIGN A BANNER OR, UM, BROCHURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE GIVING THEM SOME GOOD GUIDELINES FOR THAT. UM, SO THAT IT, SO IT MATCHES THE REST OF THE PROGRAM. AND THEN THERE'S EXAMPLES AND CONSIDERATIONS. SO IF IT'S A PLACEMAKING ELEMENT WHERE MURAL, OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD COME UP WITH THAT AS PART OF THEIR OWN, UM, COMMUNITY INPUT. BUT THOSE WERE SORT OF SHOWING WITHIN THE MANUAL, HOW ALL OF THOSE THINGS ULTIMATELY CAN WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE AN INTERPRETIVE PLAN WITHIN ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS AND HAVE THEM REALLY CONNECT TO TELL A REALLY BROAD STORY. THE NEXT SLIDE UM, THERE ARE FUNCTIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, LIKE EXISTING POLICIES, EXISTING WAYFINDING SYSTEMS, LIKE I MENTIONED, BUT ALSO DISTRICT IDENTITY AND CUSTOMIZATION. SO WE TALKED TO SOME OF THESE DISTRICTS WHO REALLY WANT TO BRAND THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT AT A HIGH LEVEL, AND OTHERS MAY NOT BE READY TO DO THAT YET. UM, WE WILL BE DEVELOPING A BASE DESIGN AND THEN HAVE AN ENHANCED VERSION SO THAT IF THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THAT ENHANCEMENT MAKES SENSE AND, AND THEY WANT TO SPEND FUNDING THERE, THEY CAN DO THAT. UM, AND THEN HAVING A VARIETY OF SIZES AND CONFIGURATIONS AND PERMANENT VERSUS FLEXIBLE ELEMENTS. SO THAT FROM A, THERE'S A RANGE OF COSTS AND A RANGE OF MATERIALS AND MAINTENANCE. SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THE DESIGN THINKING. ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT, AND WE'VE ASKED THE STAKEHOLDERS IS THIS IDEA OF SPECTRUM OF IDENTITY. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE THREE DESIGN OPTIONS WHERE YOU HAVE ONE WHERE IT'S REALLY [01:00:01] STANDARDIZED AND REALLY THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR IDENTITIES ON SAY IN THIS CASE, AN INTERPRETIVE PANEL. SO THIS IS GENERIC, JUST SORT OF EXPLAINING IT, NO DESIGN APPLIED, UM, THE IDENTITY TEMPLATE, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE IS SIMILAR TO THAT, BUT THEN YOU MOVE THE IDENTITY MAYBE ONTO THE STRUCTURE AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN THE, ON THE FAR RIGHT IS MAXIMUM IDENTITY WHERE A DISTRICT MAY REALLY WANT TO PROMOTE THEIR IDENTITY AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS SORT OF THEIR CHARACTER AND CULTURE. SO, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF THAT CUSTOMIZATION CAN HAPPEN. SO NEXT SLIDE, THIS SHOWS HOW ACROSS THREE DISTRICTS, THE STANDARD WOULD WORK. YOU BASICALLY HAVE THE SAME THING EVERYWHERE YOU GO. UM, THAT STANDARD STRUCTURE WOULD TELL YOU THAT'S WHERE HERITAGE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S VERY LIMITED TO THE PANEL FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT DISTRICT ONE, TWO, AND THREE THERE AS TO, YOU KNOW, THE COLORS AND THE PALLETS THAT THEY USE AND THE IMAGERY THAT THEY USE. NEXT SLIDE, THE IDENTITY TEMPLATE TAKES IT ONE STEP FROM THAT, WHERE YOU'RE NOW MOVING THE IDENTITY ONTO THE STRUCTURE, MAYBE ALLOWING FOR SOME COLOR ON THE EDGE AND GIVING A LITTLE BIT MORE IDENTITY TO, TO THE PROGRAM. NEXT SLIDE. AND THE MAXIMUM IDENTITY REALLY ALLOWS EACH DISH GIVING THEM A FRAMEWORK, BUT REALLY LOUDLY EACH DISTRICT TO DO THEIR OWN THING, RIGHT? IT MAY REALLY LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM PLACE TO PLACE. YOU LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONSISTENCY OF AN IDENTITY IDENTITY PROGRAM WHERE YOU KNOW WHERE HERITAGE INFORMATION IS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A HIGHER COST BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF CUSTOMIZATION. SO THERE'S THIS SORT OF SCALES THAT WE'RE PLAYING WITH, WHERE CUSTOMIZATION IDENTITIES REALLY WANTED AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT COMPARED TO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE STANDARDIZED. SO THEY'RE THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS WE'VE BEEN ASKING THE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, NEXT SLIDE, THROUGH ALL OF THIS, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LAYER OF ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, WHETHER THAT'S BILINGUAL INFORMATION, HOW CAN THAT BE INCLUDED AND ARTISTIC COMPONENT, DISTRICT BRANDING AND TECHNOLOGY. ALL OF THOSE ARE LAYERS OF INFORMATION. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK INTO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE FEEDBACK WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR IS ONE THAT, THAT IDENTITY SPECTRUM, WHERE DO, WHERE DO THE DISTRICTS FEEL? THEY FALL ON THAT SPECTRUM, UM, THE LANGUAGE OR THE DESIGN LANGUAGE OF THE SCALE AND CONFIGURATION SOME OF THE MATERIALS AND INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS, AND THEN THE WAYFINDING ELEMENT ELEMENTS THEMSELVES. WE ARE SHOWING A HANDFUL OF, OF WHAT WE FINDING TOOLS. UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S ALL OF THEM THAT WILL BE IN THE MANUAL, BUT IF THERE WERE CERTAIN ONES THAT WERE VIEWED FAVORABLY AND ARE THERE ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS AND MAYBE SOMEBODY SAW IT IN THE OTHER CITY AND THEY FEEL LIKE THAT'S, THEY LIKE TO SEE THEN AUSTIN AS WELL. SO WE'VE BEEN ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS, NEXT SLIDE. SO WE'RE GOING TO START THE THREE DESIGN OPTIONS. ONE THING TO BE AWARE OF WITH THE GRAPHICS ON THESE DESIGN OPTIONS, IT'S SORT OF A WEIRD DESIGN PRESENTATION. I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FROM THE BEGINNING, BECAUSE ALL THE GRAPHICS ARE REALLY PLACEHOLDER. SO WHETHER YOU SEE A LOGO OR A COLOR PALETTE OR PATTERN, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALTERED FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT WHEN WE WORK WITH THE DISTRICTS AT THAT LEVEL. SO, UM, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WILL GET TO INCORPORATE THEIR OWN DISH DISTRICT BRANDING. SO THAT BLUE PATTERN, YOU SEE THE THIRD IMAGE IN, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT ON ONE OF THE DESIGN OPTIONS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT SIGN'S GOING TO HAVE THAT BLUE PATTERN. IT JUST MEANS THAT'S THE PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT TYPE OF GRAPHIC ELEMENT. EXCELLENT. SO OPTION ONE IS THE STANDARD. UM, THIS ONE REALLY BUILDS AROUND A, UM, IDENTITY FOR THE PROGRAM ITSELF, AUSTIN HERITAGE, THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO IN THE CITY FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT, YOU WILL GET A, UM, AN IDENTIFIER THAT, THAT STRUCTURE, THAT ELEMENT IS WHERE YOU CAN GET, UM, HERITAGE INFORMATION. SO THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT IT'S A STANDARD. SO IT'S REALLY LIMITED TO THE PADDLE ITSELF. IT'S NOT GOING ON TO ANY SORT OF STRUCTURE NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE'S A SCHEMATIC DESIGN ONE, UM, WITH A HANDFUL OF ELEMENTS, THE BOTTOM ELEMENTS OF THE INTERPRETIVE PANELS ARE REALLY THE CORE PORTION OF THE SYSTEM. AND THEN, UM, THAT'S WHERE STANDARDS REALLY GET ESTABLISHED. AND THE ONES ALONG THE TOP OF THE PAGE ARE ELEMENTS WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM WITHIN A DISTRICT ULTIMATELY, BUT WE'RE SHOWING HOW IT CAN BE, UM, EXPANDED FROM THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM. SO NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HERE, JUST GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THOSE TWO SLIDES, THE IDEA OF AN ENHANCEMENT AT THE BOTTOM OF MAYBE [01:05:01] STONE OR BRICK WORK. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE SHOWING CONCRETE OF A UPGRADED ENHANCED BASE, NEXT SLIDE. SO EACH OPTION HAS AN INTERPRETED MONUMENT, WHICH IS THE LARGER SCALE ELEMENT WITH INTERPRETIVE PANEL. UM, THE INTERPRETIVE TOTEM, WHICH IS THE NEXT ONE YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, WE'RE SHOWING BOTH A DISTRICT LOGO AND THEN A IDENTITY FOR AUSTIN HERITAGE. SO NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO, YOU SEE THAT LITTLE MARKER AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INFORMATION NEXT SLIDE. AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, TEMPLATES FOR INTERPRETIVE PANELS. UH, ONCE THE CONTENT IS DETERMINED, THE NEXT SLIDE, AND WE'LL HAVE A RANGE OF INTERPRETIVE PANEL LAYOUTS THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CHOOSE FROM. SO THIS WOULD BE MUCH MORE OF A PLUG AND PLAY TYPE VERSION. THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS ONE LEAVES A LITTLE BIT MORE DESIGN WORK AND A LITTLE BIT MORE OPTION. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE AND THIS SLIDE, WE'RE REALLY JUST USING THE BAR ALONG THE SIDE, BUT WHATEVER APPEARS ON THE REST OF THE PANEL IS UP TO THE DISTRICT. AND MAYBE THEY HIRE A DESIGNER TO DO THAT NEXT SLIDE. AND HERE YOU COULD SEE HOW THOSE ELEMENTS WOULD THEN TRANSLATE GRAPHICALLY OVER TO A, A WALKING DIGITAL WALKING TOUR AND NEXT SLIDE. AND IN THIS OPTION, THERE'S A DISTRICT GATEWAY THAT HAS AN ARTISTIC COMPONENT. SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD CHANGE OUT FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT BASED ON WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO. NEXT LINE OPTION TWO IS THE IDENTITY TEMPLATE. SO HERE WE'RE TAKING, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE IDENTITY OF THE DISTRICT AND NOT ONLY THROUGH THEIR LOGO, BUT ALSO SOME GRAPHIC PATTERNS TO ALLOW THEM TO, UM, BRING MORE IDENTITY ONTO THE PROGRAM. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE YOU SEE, SO THE GENERAL IDEA, WHICH IS THE, PANEL'S THE BEIGE PART SIMILAR TO THE FIRST ONE, BUT NOW A PATTERN WHERE ANOTHER GRAPHIC ELEMENT CAN APPEAR ON THE SITE. NEXT SLIDE. AND AGAIN, INTERPRETIVE PANELS AT THE BOTTOM, IN THIS CASE, THE IDEA OF MAYBE A GRANDER INTERPRETIVE ELEMENT, THAT'S MAYBE A MONUMENT, THAT'S A SERIES MAYBE IN A PLAZA OR TO GATEWAY TO A DISTRICT AS WELL AS INTO OTHER INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS. NEXT SLIDE. SO YOU SEE AT THE TOP IS THAT DISTRICT IDENTIFIER, WHICH WOULD BE A PATTERN, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR INTERPRETIVE PANEL AND THE BASE. UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD WAS, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS GOES IN FRONT OF LIKE A HISTORIC, UM, THIS HISTORIC SITE OR A HISTORIC BUILDING AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT VERY EASILY CAN BE CONFIGURED TO BE JUST MORE TONED DOWN OR MORE HISTORIC TO THAT PARTICULAR, UM, ENVIRONMENT. SO IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE A BRIGHT AND COLORFUL DISTRICT BRANDED ELEMENT, UM, WITHIN A DISTRICT, YOU COULD CHANGE IT OUT BASED ON, UM, THE STREETSCAPE OR THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. GOOD, EXCELLENT. THIS IS A PLAN VIEW OF THAT MAYBE, UM, HAVING A QUOTE OR SOME OTHER SORT OF INTERPRETIVE ELEMENT ON THE GROUND, LOOKING DOWN AT IT. EXCELLENT. AND HERE'S THE INTERPRETIVE TOTEM, WHICH HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORM TO IT. NEXT SLIDE, JUST TO READ THROUGH THESE AND HERE'S THE ANOTHER INTERPRETIVE PANEL. WE SEE THAT PATTERN AND THEN WRAP ON THE POLE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST EXTENDING THE ABILITY OF THE DISTRICT TO HAVE THAT IDENTIFIER, THE NEXT SLIDE AND HOW IT COULD CHANGE OUT TO A MORE TONED DOWN VERSION. EXCELLENT. SO EACH DISTRICT IS DIFFERENT BASED ON THEIR PATTERN. SO WE'RE SHOWING DISTRICT ONE, BUT EACH DISTRICT MIGHT CHANGE OUT NEXT SLIDE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT PATTERN CHANGING OUT ON THE POLL ITSELF. NEXT LEVEL, AGAIN, A GATEWAY ELEMENT THAT MAYBE HAS AN OPTION FOR LIGHTING. UM, GATEWAY IS PROBABLY WILL BE UNIQUE TO EACH DISTRICT, THE NEXT SLIDE AND THE FINAL OPTION OPTION THREE, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM IDENTITY REALLY GIVES A FRAMEWORK, BUT ALSO ALLOWS EACH DISTRICT TO DO THEIR OWN THING WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO YOU SEE IT'S MORE OF A GRID PATTERN AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR COLOR, AS WELL AS, UM, ORNAMENTAL, UM, PATTERN WORK, SLIDE, HERE'S THAT VERSION. SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE INTERPRETIVE SIGNS AT THE BOTTOM, UM, MAYBE A PRINTED WALKING TOUR AND HOW DIFFERENT PATTERNS CAN BE APPLIED NEXT SLIDE. [01:10:03] SO HERE'S THE INTERPRETIVE MONUMENT. THAT TOP PART WOULD BE IN OUR, COULD BE, UM, WILL BE DEVELOPED BY THE, THE DISTRICT ITSELF. THEY COULD HAVE A LOCAL ARTISTS DO A COMPONENT OF IT, AND THEN AGAIN, THEY DEVELOP THE CONTENT, BUT WE'RE GIVING THEM PLACEHOLDERS OF WHERE THAT MIGHT APPEAR WHERE THE GREEN PRIMARY TITLE IS VERSUS THE BLUE, BUT THAT CAN SWITCH FROM SIGN TYPE DESIGN TYPE, NEXT SLIDE, JUST A HORIZONTAL VERSION OF THAT DIFFERENT SIZES, DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS, DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS ARE ALL BEING CONSIDERED. THE NEXT SLIDE. SO ONE DISTRICT COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY ORNAMENTAL AND OTHER DISTRICT COULD HAVE A PATTERN OR ELEMENT THAT'S VERY SIMPLE. AND THEN SOMEONE COULD HAVE SOMETHING WITH VERY ORGANIC NEXT LIFE. THEN THE WALKING LIKE A BROCHURE WOULD MATCH DESIGN THE DESIGN LANGUAGE OF THE OVERALL SYSTEM. NEXT SLIDE. AND AGAIN, GATEWAYS HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ARTISTIC COMPONENT, THE NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE'S, UM, ONE DISTRICT AND THEN JUST HIT THE NEXT SLIDE. YOU GO TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH THE TWO. UM, SO AS YOU GO FROM ONE DISTRICT TO THE OTHER, YOU GET A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOOK, BUT IT'S ALL WITHIN THE SAME FRAMEWORK OF THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SET WITHIN THE MANUAL. SO IT'S, IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT SORT OF APPROACH THAN THE STANDARD WHERE EVERYBODY'S EXACTLY THE SAME. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN TAUGHT, HAVING LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GROUPS, THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WE HAVE BEEN, UM, HAVING STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND WE HAD AN ONLINE SURVEY BACK IN JUNE. UM, WE'VE CONTINUED THOSE MEETINGS INTO AUGUST, UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE A FINAL DESIGN IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEN THE GUIDELINES COMPLETED IN OCTOBER, BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER. THANK YOU, MR. BOZZIO, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE THREE DISTRICTS THAT ALREADY HAVE FUNDING. WHAT ARE THEY SURE THE HAS THAT? SURE. UM, IN 2018 AND 2019, THE COUNCIL APPROPRIATED FUNDING FOR THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT FOR, FOR, UH, I'M SORRY, $200,000, UH, FOR THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT FOR $300,000 AND FOR THE FIFTH STREET, MEXICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE CORRIDOR FOR $375,000 SPECIFICALLY FOR, UH, WAYFINDING. THANK YOU. UH, I WOULD CAUTION YOU ABOUT ATTACHING OR ADHERING, UM, WAYFINDING SIGNS OR MEDALLIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS. YEAH. YES, YES. THERE ARE BETTER AND WORSE WAYS TO DO THAT. YEAH. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY. I'M HEARING NONE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF US? WELL, ONE THING THAT I HAD STARTED TO TALK TO, UM, SOME STAFF IS IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST OR APPETITE TO BRING SOME OF THESE DESIGNS, ONCE THEY ARE VETTED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, AS PART OF THE PHASE TWO, BACK TO THIS COMMISSION, UH, FOR YOUR REVIEW, YOUR CONSIDERATION AND INPUT, UM, PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTATION. YES. GREAT. I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD SAY THAT JOHNNY. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALIZE THIS, BUT WE CAN'T SEE YOU. I CAN'T SEE YOU. YOU'RE ON MY COMPUTER. YES. COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH. NO, NO. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S FANTASTIC. YES. YES. THAT'S WONDERFUL. UM, WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, START SETTING UP SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS SO THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THEIR OFFICE, UM, TO GET ON YOUR AGENDA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, AND GETTING TO OUR AGENDA, GOING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, DISCUSSIONS AND POSSIBLE ACTION. HISTORIC ZONING [4. C14H-2022-0098 – 1605 Leona St. – Discussion Donley-Goode-Walton House Council District 1] APPLICATIONS, 1605 LEONA. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN MYERS, ITEM C 14 H 20 22 0 0 9 8 IS AN APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING OR THE DON LEE. GOOD WALTON HOUSE. ALSO KNOWN AS WALTON'S BEAUTY SHOP AND SALON AT 1605 LEANNA [01:15:01] STREET. STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FROM SF THREE NP TO SF THREE H N P. UM, THIS ITEM IS NOT RECOMMENDED AS ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION BY THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN SURVEY, BUT IT DOES TELL A COMPELLING STORY THAT REMINDS US HOW SOME BUILDINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEY APPEAR AT FIRST GLANCE, NOMINATOR NICA SHULS THE HOME'S CURRENT OCCUPANT DESCRIBES THE BUILDINGS, HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS, 1605 LEONA STREET WAS ESSENTIAL AND ASSISTING IN MULTICULTURAL TAHANTO IRISH IMMIGRANT FAMILY, AND A MARGINALIZED BLACK AMERICAN FAMILY TO ESTABLISH STRONG FOUNDATIONS UPON WHICH FUTURE GENERATIONS WOULD LAUNCH LONG LASTING LEGACIES LOCATED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE HISTORIC OAKWOOD CEMETERY. THE HOME TELLS THE UNTOLD STORY OF TWO FAMILIES WHO ACHIEVED THEIR AMERICAN DREAMS AGAINST UNIMAGINABLE ODDS. THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED HERE EXPERIENCED AND ENDURED PAINFUL RACIAL SEGREGATION AND DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES, AND THEY FOUGHT AGAINST THOSE CONDITIONS WITH DIGNITY AND COURAGE TO BREAK BARRIERS AND EDUCATION. THE MILITARY MUSIC AND BUSINESS 1605 IS THE CHILDHOOD HOME OF RAYMOND RAMON COWBOY DONNELY KNOWN AS THE GODFATHER OF TEJANO MUSIC. DONLIN WAS A CLASSICALLY TRAINED VIOLINIST. HE WANTS PLAYED WITH THE DURANGO SYMPHONY. RAYMOND MADE HIS LIVING AS A BARBER BY DAY, BUT AT NIGHT HE LED HIS BAND . UM, AND HIS SON, MANUEL, UM, BEGAN HIS APPRENTICESHIP AS A MUSICIAN HANGING OUT IN HIS FATHER'S BARBERSHOP. BY THE TIME HE WAS 11, MANUEL, DON LEE HAD TAUGHT HIMSELF HOW TO PLAY THE GUITAR AND LATER THAT OR QUITO, HE FORMED THE BAND LOWE'S HEARTBREAKERS AS A TEEN AND, AND WAS PERFORMING MOSTLY INSTRUMENTALS AT CHURCH FESTIVALS AND STREET FAIRS UNTIL THE HEARTBREAKERS BREAKTHROUGH PERFORMANCE AT PARTIES THAT ARE BOTH SET IN 1949. THE DONLEY SOLD THE HOME IN 1944 TO THE GOOD FAMILY, INCLUDING LABOR JOHN WESLEY GOOD. HIS WIFE HAD HE GOOD. WHO WORKED AS A WASH WOMAN, THEIR SON AND MILITARY SERVICEMAN EARNEST GOOD, AND THEIR DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW HELEN GOOD WALTON AND WILLY BOOTS. WALTON. HELEN WORKED AS A COSMETOLOGIST WHILE WILLIE WAS A BLUES AND RAGTIME MUSICIAN. THE GOOD FAMILY HAD PLANS TO OPERATE A BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR NEW HOME AND QUICKLY BEGAN MAKING THE NECESSARY ALTERATIONS AROUND 1947 ACCRUE, INCLUDING WILLY FRUITS, WALTON, MOST OF THE REAR WALL TO EXTEND AND REFURBISH THE ROOM INTO A FULL SERVICE SALON COMPLETE WITH SEPARATE ENTRANCE. THE EXTERIOR WOOD SIDING WAS REFINISHED. THE CARPET CONSTRUCTED IN THE INTERIOR, COMPLETELY RENOVATED TO SECTION THE LARGER SPACES INTO SMALLER PRIVATE ROOMS. HOW DO YOU GOOD CAN FADE 16 AT FIVE LEONA STREET TO HER DAUGHTER, HELEN FOR $1 ON DECEMBER 13TH, 1954, HELEN WALTON'S AMBITIONS LED HER TO THE JOHNSON AND RANDOLPH GIDDY SCHOOL WHERE SHE BECAME A CERTIFIED COSMETOLOGY INSTRUCTOR. IN 1951, WALTON WOULD GO ON TO RECEIVE A GOLD CUP FROM PURVIEW A AND M COLLEGES COSMETOLOGY INSTITUTE FOR COMPLETING THEIR FIVE-YEAR COURSE AND ADVANCED COSMETOLOGY. SHE HAS NOTED AS AUSTIN'S FIRST COSMETOLOGISTS TO DO SO. HELEN WALTON WAS ELECTED DAVID CHAPEL, MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH, WOMAN OF THE YEAR IN 1993, THAT WHEN SHE WASN'T OCCUPIED BY FAMILY WORK OR EDUCATION OR HER PROFESSIONAL GOALS, YOUR SOCIAL CALENDAR WAS FILLED WITH MEETINGS AND EVENTS THAT REFLECTED HER REPUTATION AS A WELL-KNOWN AND RESPECTED BUSINESS WOMEN WALTON WAS SELECTED AS ONE OF AUSTIN'S BEST DRESSED WOMEN IN 1959 AND WAS A MEMBER OF THE HAIR DESIGNERS GUILD WHO SPONSORED THE MS. BLACK AUSTIN PAGEANT LATER IN LIFE. AFTER CLOSING THE BEAUTY SHOP AND RETIRING IN 1984, HELEN WALTON PROVIDED COMPANION CARE TO FORMER FIRST LADY OF TEXAS MILDRED PAXTON MOODY THE WIFE OF GOVERNOR DAN MOODY WELTON WAS HONORED BY GOVERNOR GOVERNOR ANN RICHARDS FOR YEARS ABOUT STANDING SERVICE TO DAVID CHAPLIN, DAVID CHAPEL, MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH TO HER FAMILY, INTO HER COMMUNITY IN 1993. AND SHE RECEIVED 95TH BIRTHDAY GREETINGS FROM TEXAS STATE REPRESENTATIVE DONNA DUKES IN OCTOBER, 2012. THIS PROPERTY ALSO DISPLAYS OUTSTANDING COMMUNITY VALUE. HOME BASED BUSINESSES WERE IMPORTANT PART OF LIFE AND SEGREGATED EAST AUSTIN, THOUGH. FEW RESIDENTS HAD THE CAPITAL TO CONSTRUCT NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. MANY ENTREPRENEURS USE THEIR HOMES TO PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT CUSTOMERS OF COLOR COULD NOT ACCESS ELSEWHERE. BEAUTY SHOPS FOR BLACK CUSTOMERS WERE PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT AS THEY BOTH PROVIDED A GATHERING SPACE FOR WOMEN OF COLOR. AND IT INVALUABLE SERVICE TAILORED TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN THEATER IN AN ERA WHERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN LIKE HELEN GOOD WALTON WERE STRUGGLING AGAINST ALL ODDS TO BREAK PROFESSIONAL BARRIERS, SALONS OWNED AND OPERATED BY BLACK COSMETOLOGISTS, GAVE OTHERS THE CHANCE TO LOOK AND FEEL THEIR BEST OCCUPANT AND NOMINATOR NIKA SCHULTZ DESCRIBES WELL SINCE BEAUTY SHOPS IMPACT ON THE FAMILY AND NEIGHBORHOOD WALTON'S BEAUTY SHOP AND SALON THRIVED IN THE 1950S, SHE SAYS, AND HELEN WALTON'S CAREER AS A COSMETOLOGIST OFFERED A LEVEL OF ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE THAT WAS RARE FOR A BLACK WOMAN DURING A TIME WHEN EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES WERE LIMITED. MOST WHITE SALON OWNERS SERVED BIKE CUSTOMERS ONLY AND DID NOT SERVE BLACK CUSTOMERS OR HIRE BLACK BEAUTY PROFESSIONALS. THIS CREATED A VIABLE MARKET FOR BLACK BEAUTY SHOP OPERATORS AND INSTRUCTORS [01:20:01] WHO ENSURED THAT EAST AUSTIN AND OTHER AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES HAD ACCESS TO THE SERVICES AND SPECIALIZED PRODUCTS. THEIR NEEDED HOME-BASED BUSINESSES ARE A RAPIDLY DISAPPEARING BUILDING TYPE IN AUSTIN, THOUGH. THEY ARE AN INSTITUTION THAT KEPT EAST AUSTIN AFLOAT AND, UM, THE COMMUNITY RUNNING FOR MANY YEARS, THE ORIGINAL RESIDENCE WAS RETROFITTED AROUND 1947 TO CONVERT THE SPACE TO THE BEAUTY SHOP. AND THEN IT WAS CONTINUALLY UPDATED THROUGH THE HISTORIC PERIOD AS THE BUSINESS EVOLVED AT THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR THIS BUILDING IS FROM 1939 TO 1972, UM, AND NON HISTORIC PERIOD EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS, INCLUDING, UM, A PITCHED ROOF ADDED TO THE REAR ADDITION IN 1993 AND WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN 2012, WHICH OCCURRED WITHOUT ALTERING OPENINGS, UH, CONSTRUCTED DURING THE HISTORIC BEAUTY SHOP ERA OR THE REMAINING ORIGINAL OPENINGS. THE PREVIOUSLY ENCLOSED FRONT DOOR WAS REOPENED AND THE SECONDARY DOOR AND CLOSE TO SIDING, DESPITE THESE CHANGES, UH, DUE TO THE BUILDING'S HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. AND THE FACT THAT MOST ALTERATIONS OCCURRED DURING THE HISTORIC PERIOD STAFF CAN RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING FOR THE LEE GOOD WALTON HOUSE. ROMAN'S BEAUTY SHOP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? UM, AND UP THERE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANYONE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? ALRIGHT. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE. OKAY. ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES, I AM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AND I'M THE AGENT REPRESENTING HISTORIC ZONING APPLICATION FOR PROPERTY AT 1605 AND THE ON THE STREET. AND I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF HIS HISTORIC DOME. IT HAS BEEN A GREAT PRIVILEGE AND HONOR TO HIGHLIGHT THE LEGACIES OF MY ANCESTORS, WHO LAID SUCH A STRONG FOUNDATION FOR OUR FAMILY AND TO UNCOVER LOST CONNECTIONS TO A HIGHLY ACCLAIMED AUSTINITE THROUGH THIS APPLICATION PROCESS. AS YOU'VE HEARD, THE RESIDENTS HAS BEEN HOME FOR SEVERAL NOTEWORTHY RESIDENTS WHO MADE MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CULTURAL IDENTITY OF BOSTON, INCLUDING MY GREAT GREAT AUNT HELEN WALTON, OR H BETH AS WE CALLED HER A SUCCESSFUL BLACK COSMETOLOGIST AND ENTREPRENEUR, WILLIE BOOTS, WALTON SENIOR, A BLUES AND RAGTIME MUSICIAN CREDITED WITH BRINGING THE FAME TO AUSTIN AND MANWELL COWBOY, DON LEE, THE GODFATHER OF TORONTO MUSIC. WE BELIEVE IT'S REMARKABLE THAT AFTER 78 YEARS, OUR HOME IS ONE OF FEW PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED IN INHABITABLE CONDITIONS BY DIRECT DESCENDANTS, UH, AS URBAN RENEWAL PROJECTS THREATEN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS AUSTIN, BUT PARTICULARLY IN CENTRAL EAST AUSTIN, FORMER NEGRO DISTRICT, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND APPRECIATION TO PRESERVATION AUSTIN FOR AWARDING GRANT FUNDING, TO ASSIST WITH THE REQUIRED APPLICATION FEES AND TO CAITLIN CONTRARIES AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND THE AUSTIN CHAPTER OF THE NAACP FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF OUR HISTORIC ZONING APPLICATION. THANK YOU AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR REVIEW. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. DO I HEAR A SECOND AT SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CASE? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE HISTORIC ZONING BASED ON HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS AND COMMUNITY VALUE COMMISSIONER HAMZA. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND? UM, I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS FROM COMMISSIONER. CASTEEL MAKE THE SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS YOUR MOTION? UH, YES. I THINK IT'S, UH, IN FACT, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS WHY THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE SURVEY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHERE HISTORIC VALUE. ISN'T JUST A PRETTY BUILDING. UH, AT MANY LEVELS, THIS IS A FAIRLY MODEST BUILDING AND EASILY OVERLOOKED AND THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE ARCHITECTURAL VALUE IS PRIMARILY WHAT THE FOCUS OF THOSE SURVEYS ARE. IF YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT, IT'S EASY TO OVERLOOK, BUT HERE WE HAVE AN OWNER. AND I THINK IT WAS SO [01:25:01] WELL STATED THAT, UH, HAS ONE FAMILY MAY OR LIKE THE ALL OF, OF, I WAS CONCERNED THAT THERE WERE SOME MODIFICATIONS. UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S BEEN SHOWN, UH, WITH A VERY THOROUGH DOCUMENTATION THAT THOSE WERE, UH, WITHIN THE HISTORIC, UH, PERIOD OF ASSOCIATION. SO I THINK THIS IS, IS GOING TO BE VERY VALUABLE TO, UH, ADD TO OUR LIST OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH IN EAST AUSTIN. I PARTICULARLY LIKED THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS, THE, THE MUSIC, THE, UM, THE COSMETOLOGY, THE HAIRSTYLING, AND THIS HOME BUSINESS, UH, THAT, THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, TO, UH, TO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. AND, UM, I JUST LIKED THE STORY AND I LIKED THE NICKNAME BOOTS, SO, AND NAV CAL BLAINE BOOTS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF HISTORIC ZONING, PLEASE SAY, AYE, THANK YOU. THAT PASSES. OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS. AND WE HAVE [5. HR-2022-084104 – 6301 Bluff Springs Rd. – Discussion Sebron Sneed House Council District 2] GONE TO 63 0 1 BLUFF SPRINGS ROAD. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT, UH, TO GIVE A PRESENTATION? UH, I BELIEVE STAFF WILL DO A PRESENTATION FIRST. KIMBERLY COLLINS IS JOINING US REMOTELY. UH, SO SHE WILL BE DOING ALL OF HER CASES, UH, REMOTELY. OKAY. KIM, TAKE IT AWAY. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UH, YEAH. SO ITEM FIVE IS A, HIS APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, IS THE HOUSE AT 63 0 1 BLUFF SPRINGS ROAD. THE PROPOSAL IS TO CONSTRUCT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND FENCE AROUND THE JUDGE SEAGRAM, GEES NEED HOUSE RUINS. UH, THE PROJECT SPECIFICATIONS INCLUDE, UH, CONSTRUCT A THREE BUILDING APARTMENT COMPLEX AROUND THE SEAGRAM NEED HOUSE RUINS, PROVIDING A TWENTY-FIVE FOOT BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN THE RUINS AND THE POOL AND OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION. PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE EACH THREE STORIES, HIGH, THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT AND DISPLAY, MISSION REVIVALS, STYLISTIC CUES, AIR CLYDE, AND STUCCO, AND CAPPED WITH PIPS TILED ROOFS, CALMED ARCHES EXIT THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO EACH BUILDING WILL ALSO CONSTRUCT A FENCE AROUND THE RUINS. UH, SINCE THE HISTORIC ZONING EXTENDS ONLY TO THE RUINS, PLUS THE TWENTY-FIVE FOOT, A COMPATIBILITY SETBACK AROUND THE RUINED STAFF WILL FOCUS ON THE EFFECTED AREAS ONLY. SO I'M GOING TO, UH, FOCUS ON THE SITE AND STREETSCAPES. SO VEGETATION, TOPOGRAPHY, AND LANDSCAPING, THE PROPOSED PROJECT MAINTAINS ONLY A 25 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE HISTORIC RUINS AND THE APARTMENTS, ACTIVE CIRCULATION, ELEMENTS AND AMENITIES SINCE NO BRACING IS PLANNED FOR THE RUINS. THERE MAY BE SAFETY CONCERNS AS WELL AS CONCERNS REGARDING ACCELERATED DETERIORATION FROM THE VIBRATION OF MOTOR VEHICLE ACTIVITY FROM ADJACENT PARKING, THE 25 FOOT BUFFER IMMEDIATELY ABUTS THE COMPLEXES, SWIMMING POOL, LAUNDRY DESTRIA AND ROUTES, AND RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, WALLS AND FENCES. THE PROPOSED FENCE APPEARS TO COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS REQUIREMENT FOR TRANSPARENCY. HOWEVER, ITS PLACEMENT APPEARS INAPPROPRIATELY CLOSE TO THE RUINS AND ITS SPIKED DESIGN MAY NOT BE ALLOWED PER RECENT CODE CHANGES, WHICH DON'T ALLOW SPIKE TOP FENCING AS A CITYWIDE DESIGN STANDARDS DO NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE SENSITIVE ARCHEOLOGICAL CONTEXT OF THE SITE. THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION MUST BE CONSULTED WHEN EVALUATING THE PROJECT'S POTENTIAL FRIEND, GINGER ENDANGERING SUBSURFACE MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SEABORN SNEAD HOUSE INCLUDED, BUT NOT LIMITED TO HISTORIC RESOURCES RELATED TO THE LIVES AND ACTIVITIES AND PEOPLE WHO LIVED, WORKED AND ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY ON THIS NEED PROPERTY. DURING THE 19TH CENTURY, SECTION EIGHT STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, INCLUDING ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES WILL BE PROTECTED AND PRESERVED IN PLACE AS SUCH. RESOURCES MUST BE DISTURBED. MITIGATION MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN. THE PROPOSED PROJECT DOES NOT PROVIDE A PLAN FOR EXPLORATORY TESTING, MONITORING OR MITIGATION SHOULD RESOURCES BE UNEARTHED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND SUMMARY. THE PROJECT DOES NOT MEET THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS. STAFF COMMENTS INCLUDE THAT STABILIZATION OF RUINS RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PROPERTY DATES TO 2007 FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, MAYBE FEEDBACK FROM THE JULY 22 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE INCLUDED TO RECOMMEND STABILIZING THE RUINS AND ENGINEERING STABILIZATION PLAN AND ONGOING ARCHEOLOGICAL [01:30:01] MONITORING OF ANY EXCAVATION WITHIN THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT. IN ADDITION, THEY CONTINUED THE REQUEST THAT DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT OBSCURE THE ROOT VIEW. THE VIEW OF THE RUINS STAFF RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES POSTPONING TO THE NEXT HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2022, UNTIL THE APPLICANT BRINGS THE COMMISSION A PRESERVATION PLAN CONTAINING THE FOLLOWING ELEMENTS, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING REPORT WITH STABILIZATION RECOMMENDATIONS AND IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM, A PROFESSIONAL ARCHEOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT OR REPORT, INCLUDING AN ACCEPTABLE PLAN FOR MONITORING OF THE RUINS I FIELD STUDY OF THE SITE WITH A LIKELIHOOD OF ADVERSE EFFECTS, UNKNOWN OR POSSIBLE UNKNOWN RESOURCES ON THE SITE, INCLUDING ANY NEED FOR EXPLORATORY TESTING, MONITORING, OR MITIGATION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES OR REMAINS MAYBE UNEARTHED DURING CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN ON OUR AGENDA FOR A GOOD LONG TIME. UM, IS THERE, IS THERE SOMEONE, IS THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? YES. THE ENTIRE APPLICANT TEAM IS ON THE LINE. OKAY. UH, YEAH. UM, DO THEY HAVE AN ORDER IN WHICH THEY, UM, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I BELIEVE SO. I ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION, SO I'LL KIND OF JUST LET THEM, LET THEM GO FOR IT. YES. HELLO. THIS IS RYAN MULLOOLY, UM, WITH A BULLET DOWNS LLC, AND I SUPPORT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, WE HAD THE CIRCLE OF GNOMES. UH, WE WANTED TO RESPECT THE COMMITTEE'S REQUIREMENTS. IT COMES WITH A RESOLUTION THAT WILL PROTECT THE LANDMARK AS WELL AS DEVELOP, UH, TO MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT. NOW WE, UM, THE FURTHER THAT WE RETAINED, UH, COMPANY X AND COMPANY IMPLEMENT THE PROFESSIONAL ARCHEOLOGICAL MONITORING AND THEY HAVE A LONG EXPERIENCE IN ECOLOGICAL MONITORING AND HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH GENESIS ONE ENGINEERING, WHICH WILL SUBMIT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A STABILIZATION OF THE ENGINEERING REPORT. UM, WE REGRESSED, WE REQUEST THE APPROVAL OF PROPOSED TWENTY-FIVE FOOT BUFFER. SO WE WILL NOT BUILD THE BRIDGE ON THE PARKING FOR THE RESIDENT OF THESE. UH, WE HAD FORMER PRESENT, UH, FOR RESERVATION OFFICER'S THIEVES SET US. HE AGREED TO THE PROPOSED, UM, TWENTY-FIVE FOOT BUFFER AS WELL AS REQUESTING MORTAR ANALYSIS, A PRELIMINARY STABILIZATION PLAN, WHICH HAS DELAYED THE PROJECT ABOUT 15. UM, OUR PROPOSED USEFUL ALLOW LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, BETTER ACCESS TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK IN AUSTIN WILL ALSO IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIVING IN THE AREA, WHICH IS AS OF NOW REALLY ONLY AVAILABLE TO HIGHER INCOME RESIDENCE. UM, I BELIEVE THIS WILL VENERATE THE RUNES BY SHOWCASING SHOWCASING THE SITE BETTER CURRENTLY BEING DONE OR AS IS CENTERED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT. I THINK WE ALSO HAVE OUR ARCHITECTS ON THE LINE, TRACY CHEN AND OUR ENGINEER, GEORGE GONZALES ON THE CALL AS WELL, NICK, TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL, MR. CHEN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? I SEE CHEN IS, UH, SHOULD BE ON THE LINE. MR. CHIN, GO AHEAD. I REMEMBER YOU, BUT WE, WE HAD WORKED ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND TWO BAD THAT STEVE IS NO LONGER WITH US. UM, UH, WE, WE WOULD POST THAT THEY WOULD BE IN THE KEY US SET UP, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE APARTMENT OFFICE WHERE PEOPLE, THE PUBLIC CAN GO INTO THE LOBBY AND GO TO THE BACKSIDE AND VIEWED, UH, THE RUIN. AND, UM, AND THAT WAS A PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT HAD AGREED UPON BACK THEN. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT THAT WE DID HAVE A PROVISION FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO GET A CLOSER LOOK ON THE RUIN. AND WAS THAT EVER DONE IS IT HAS TO BE DONE WHEN THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED A PLANE TO LOOK TO ESTABLISH AND SET [01:35:01] UP A KIOSK OUTSIDE OF THE OFFICE AND GENERAL PUBLIC CAN LOOK AT THAT AND THEN GO INTO THE OFFICE LOBBY AND THEN, UH, THEY CAN HAVE A FULL VIEW OF THE RULING. AND ALSO WE, WE HAVE VISITORS PARKING AREA WHERE THEY CAN ALSO HAVE A . ARE THERE NO QUESTIONS? AND MR. CHIN, I GUESS I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER HOME SET. GO AHEAD. MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND I THINK THEY MENTIONED THIS LAST MONTH. THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE FENCED OFF AND THERE WON'T BE ANY USE OR ACCESS EVEN FROM THE RESIDENCE. IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS GOING TO BE PERMANENTLY WALLED OFF OR FENCED OFF. YES, SIR. SO I GUESS IT REALLY DOESN'T SERVING ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN TO BE, UH, I'M I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ITS LONG-TERM ABILITY WHAT'S TO KEEP THIS FROM JUST BEING A PLACE THAT GETS OVERGROWN AND FILLED WITH TRASH AND IS NEGLECTED. WELL, THAT WAS, THAT WAS OUR CONCERN ALL ALONG LO THESE MANY YEARS, UM, WE HAD ASKED FOR A STABILIZATION PLAN, A PRESERVATION PLAN, UM, FOR, UH, WE WERE AFRAID THAT THE RUINS WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE, UM, TO TWO PEOPLE AND THERE WAS LIABILITY INVOLVED THERE AND, AND WE NEVER, UH, WE NEVER HEARD BACK FROM THEM. WELL, WE, WE HAVE ENGAGED GENESIS ONE ENGINEERING COMPANY TO, UH, TO ASSIST, TO COME UP WITH A PRESERVATION PLAN, WHETHER IT BE TUCK POINT OR WINNER B, JUST SO WE CAN STABILIZE THAT. AND THEN OF COURSE WE'LL GO IN AND, UH, CLEAN UP AND PUT A GOOD LANDSCAPE AND, AND CLEAN OUT THE, UH, THE DEBRIS CLEAN OUT SO THAT YOU WILL BE PRESENTED. BUT, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY THE APARTMENT. YES. UH, UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY DROVE ALL THE WAY INTO THE VERY BACK, UH IT'S ALL. YES. AND IT'S COMPLETELY, SO NOBODY CAN READ, GO INTO TOUCH THE, THE RUIN. RIGHT. BUT NO ONE CAN SEE THE RUIN EITHER, SO YOU CAN WALK INTO THE LOBBY. BUT, UM, I MEAN, I, I DON'T SEE THIS AS IS DOING ANYTHING MORE TO ADVANCE COMMISSIONER THAT YOU KEEP CUTTING OUT. I DON'T KNOW, UM, EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY. YEAH. I HAVE THINK I HAVE A CONNECTION ISSUE, BUT, UH, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE MAKING A BAD CONDITION JUST THE SAME OR WORSE. WELL, I THINK, UM, ARE THERE, ARE THERE OTHER COMMISSIONER LAROCHE? I WOULD AGREE YET. THIS IS JUST LONG-TERM DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. YES. THAT'S NOT. I MEAN, LET'S JUST CALL IT WHAT IT IS. LIKE MY VISION WOULD BE THAT YOU PRESERVE IT TO THE POINT THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY IT AND THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE THE CASE. AND I THINK STAFF HAS ARTICULATED QUITE WELL, WHAT THAT WOULD INVOLVE. YEAH. THE PUBLIC CAN VIEW IT, BUT THEY CAN TOUCH IT AND IT WOULD BE ERECTING OFFENSE SO THAT NO ONE CAN REALLY GO IN THERE EXCEPT THE MAINTENANCE. GOOD. KEEP UP THE LANDSCAPE AND KEEP IT CLEAN AND NICE TO, TO DATE THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, UM, 10 OR MORE YEARS AGO, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN DONE WELL, I'LL DEFER THAT TO THE OWNER AND, UH, [01:40:03] SEE WHAT, UH, YES. HELLO. YES. WE ARE REQUESTED THE SERIES TO GET FOR, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THIS IS, THIS IS RYAN MULLOOLY AGAIN, THAT'S FROM THE CIRCLE OF DOWNS. SO WE INITIALLY PROPOSED TO HAVE THE RUINS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND HAVE IT, NO FENCE AROUND IT. AND WE WERE GOING TO, UM, WE WERE GOING TO STABILIZE THE RUINS IN A WAY THAT IT WAS A LANDMARK. SO THAT PIECE, AND THEN, AND THEN THAT WAS REJECTED. WE NEEDED BECAUSE OF LIABILITY ISSUES AND THE POSSIBILITY OF THE WALLS COMING DOWN. SO WE TRIED TO OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, TRIED TO THE, YES, THIS IS A SITE HE'D BEEN, NOT THE OWNER WHO LIKED TO SAY ONE THING. YEAH. MY NAME IS SYEDA AND I'M THE OWNER THAT, WELL, WE'LL BE TALKING FOR 15 YEAR. IT'S NOT 15 YEAR. I BOUGHT IT, UH, MAYBE TERM OR 11 YEARS. AND WE, UH, MEETING WITH A QUESTION OR TWO OR THREE TIME TOGETHER WITH THE CRAZY CHAIR AND WE WANT TO THINGS AND WE SAY, YES, WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND WORK THERE. SO THEY SAY, OKAY, WE CAN SUBMIT ALL, UH, OVER, UH, PLANS THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING. SO WE WILL DO THE CALLS TOGETHER WHEN WE GET THE PERMIT AND CAN BE WITH DOULA OR E UH, FROM THE CITY REQUIREMENTS. SO WE BEEN WITH THE CITY NOW ALMOST FOUR TO FIVE YEARS. IF YOU GO BACK, LOOK AT THIS FOR, AND THAT PERMIT WAS GO ONGOING. I THINK TRACY CHANDOS AND THE ENGINEER IS RIGHT NOW HERE. THAT PURPOSE IS BEING ALMOST OCTOBER 26TH, 2015, BUT IT'S STILL, WE ARE NOW ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER, THEY SAY THAT WE WILL GET THAT PERMIT MAYBE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. SO THE DAY WE GET THE PERMIT, I WILL START THE CONSTRUCTION. OF COURSE WE WILL DO AT ONCE, ACCORDING TO WHATEVER THE ENGINEER SUGGEST, STABILIZE THAT BUILDING PUT AROUND THE FENCE. AND OF COURSE IT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE WITH THE MAINTENANCE CREW AND TO KEEP IT CLEAN. NICE. AND THEN TO MAINTAIN IT FOREVER. BUT IT WILL BE THE PEOPLE THERE IS A PATH OUTSIDE, SO PEOPLE CAN GO AND JUST LOOK AT THAT. AND OF COURSE, ACCORDING TO THE, WHATEVER, THE ENGINEERING, THEY WILL SELECT, SO WE WILL REPAIR, WE WILL MAKE IT NICE. AND THAT'S WHAT, AT LEAST THE ENGINEER YOU RIGHT NOW, HE IS ALSO ONLINE THERE. SO HE CAN TALK. THIS IS RYAN AGAIN. ONE SECOND, GO AHEAD. WE'RE RUDE. WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THIS A LANDMARK AND MAKE THIS, THE CENTER POINT OF IT ACTUALLY ALREADY IS A LANDMARK. AND WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS TREAT IT LIKE ONE. WE, WE ARE, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT IS A HISTORIC LAB. WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE IT A CENTRAL LANDMARK FOR THE PROJECT AS IN SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL RECOGNIZE. SEE, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ENGINEERING HERE. UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HIM DISCUSS THE STABILIZATION. OKAY. D UM, GO AHEAD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. YEAH, I'M GOING TO ADD A STORE AND AUSTIN, TEXAS THAT EVENING. UH, WE WILL, UH, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, DURING CONSTRUCTION AND AFTER CONSTRUCTION, THAT THE FEDERAL STATION NEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY AND THE BOARD, AND ALSO THE SECRETARY INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES, UH, FOR THE PRESERVATION OF ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, UH, STRIPE STRUCTURES. UH, IT DOES, UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF THE, UH, SURFACE HAS A LOT OF GRAFFITI AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE BOARD AND THE, UH, AND THE, THE AGENT AND ALSO THE ARCHEOLOGICAL PRESERVATION CONSULTANT IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THAT, UH, THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. AND, UH, SO WE'LL BE WORKING NOT ONLY WITH THE CITY, WITH THE BOARD, BUT ALSO WITH THE CONSULTANTS IN ORDER TO BRING IT UP TO, UH, THE OLD, UH, IMAGE OF WHAT IT WAS PORTRAYED, UH, IN THE OLD DAYS. AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'D BE AN ONGOING, UH, PROFITS, UH, DURING CONSTRUCTION THEN AFTER CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. DO YOU, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS POSTPONING THIS TILL THE NEXT, UH, LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING UNTIL THE APPLICANT BRINGS THE COMMISSION A PRESERVATION [01:45:01] PLAN CONTAINING THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING REPORT WITH STABILIZATION RECOMMENDATIONS AND IMPLEMENTED TAISHAN PROGRAM, A PROFESSIONAL ARCHEOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT REPORT, INCLUDING AN ACCEPTABLE PLAN FOR MONITORING THE RUINS, A FIELD STUDY OF THE SITE WITH THE LIKELIHOOD OF ADVERSE EFFECTS ARE KNOWN OR POSSIBLE UNKNOWN RESOURCES ON THE SITE, INCLUDING ANY NEED FOR EXPLORATORY TESTING, MONITORING, OR MITIGATION, IF HISTORIC RESOURCES OR REMAINS MAY BE UNEARTHED DURING CONSTRUCTION. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE AGREEING TO? YES, MA'AM GENTLEMEN. OKAY. THEN WE WILL NEED THAT PRESERVATION PLAN. OKAY. THAT'S FINE WITH US. OKAY. UM, SURE. OR MYERS QUIP, MAYBE DAF WHERE YOU CAN HELP. UM, AM I TO UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE SITE HAS HISTORIC DESIGNATION, OR HAS IT BEEN LIMITED ONLY TO THE STRUCTURE IN 25 FEET SURROUNDING IT, IT HAS BEEN LIMITED TO THE STRUCTURE AND THE TWENTY-FIVE FEET SURROUNDING IT. YEAH. SO IF THAT IS THE ONLY, SO WE DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION NECESSARILY AS A, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ON THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS. OKAY. YEAH. UM, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. UM, OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, COMMISSIONERS, HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS BEEN ANSWERED TO YOUR SATISFACTION AT THIS POINT ON, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC, HEARING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. AYE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS CASE? I'LL MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO POSTPONE THIS TO THE NEXT HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2022, UM, SECOND THOUGHT AND THAT MOTION WOULD INCLUDE THE FULL DESCRIPTION OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. YOU READ. IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S NEEDED. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE ROOMS NEED TO BE STABILIZED FOR THE SAKE OF THE STRUCTURE AS WELL AS, UH, PEOPLE AROUND IT. AND, UH, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF NOT TO DISTURB ANY ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES. YEAH, IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT IT WILL BE ENCOMPASSED AND BLOCKED FROM VIEW FROM THE ROAD. AND THIS WILL PROBABLY END UP BEING ABOUT AS ABSURD LOOKING AS THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE JACOB CONTANGO DOLLAR STORE. BUT, UH, THAT IS THE LIMIT OF OUR AUTHORITY. AND ALL WE CAN SAY IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT 25 FEET. AND THAT SHOULD BE THAT THE BUILDING SHOULD BE STABILIZED AND, UH, WE DON'T DISTURB ANY ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE CAN DO. OKAY. WAS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? OKAY. I'M SORRY. UH, COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? I DO HAVE, I DO HAVE A QUICK RECORD REQUEST TO STAFF IF THIS MOTION PASSES, UH, AND I CAN I'LL VOTE IN FAVOR, BUT I WOULD LIKE SOME, UH, PRESENTATION ON THE, ANY KIND OF PROVISIONS THAT WERE MADE WHEN THAT 25 FOOT PROVISION WAS, WAS CARVED OUT, IS THAT MY SUSPICION IS, IS THERE WERE SOME PROGRAMMERS THAT WERE EITHER INCLUDING THE VISIBILITY AND THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT, UH, WITH THOSE COMMITMENTS FROM THAT TIME COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA, I WOULD LIKE THOSE AS WELL. UM, I KNOW WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT AS PART OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, WE'VE SEEN THIS A FEW TIMES AND IT JUST ASKS FOR, I KNOW THE ORIGINAL CASE, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDED A 40 FOOT BUFFER, BUT BY THE TIME IT GOT TO CITY COUNCIL, IT WAS DOWN TO 25. UM, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT, UM, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS THAT MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, MAYBE WE CAN ASK STAFF TO, UH, RESEARCH THAT AND BRING THEM, UH, TO THE LEFT TO THE CAUSE. THAT IS, I CAN GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT. OKAY, GO AHEAD. YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. UM, THE, UM, PLANNING, UM, ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION DID ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THE 40 FOOT BUFFER, UM, AND WANTED TO, AND, AND RECOMMENDED [01:50:01] THAT, UM, THAT BE, UM, ACTUALLY BE ABLE THE SITE PLAN BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THE HISTORIC, UM, COMMISSION, UM, FOR FULL SITE PLAN REVIEW. UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THAT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL THAT DID NOT PASS AND THAT'S WHEN IT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL, IT DID GET, UM, REDUCED ONTO THE 25 FOOT BUFFER AND, UH, AND THEIR ZONING, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS, WAS NOT, UM, IS NOT TAKEN AS RECOMMENDED. SO, UM, IF IT HAD BEEN, UH, TAKEN AT COUNCIL AS RECOMMENDED, UH, UH, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION WOULD HAVE HAD THAT AUTHORITY TO FULLY REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, UM, BECAUSE THE, UM, THE PLANNING, UH, THE ZONING WOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, UM, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, WOULD IT HAVE ALLOWED FOR THE SITE PLAN TO COME BACK TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION? BUT AGAIN, AT COUNCIL, IT WAS, IT WAS CHANGED AND IT WAS NOT ALLOWED, IT WAS NOT PASSED IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS RECOMMENDED FROM THE ZONING AND PLANNING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT THAT IS THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT OKAY. UM, CAN WE GET, UM, THE LANGUAGE THAT PASSED CITY COUNCIL THAT IS ACTUALLY ALL IN THE BACKUP? OKAY. SO THAT IS, THAT IS THERE IN THE BACKUP, I INCLUDED ALL OF THOSE ORDINANCES AND ALL OF THE, I SAW HIM. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE. THERE WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE HAD REQUESTED, WHICH WAS A VIEW CORRIDOR AT THAT TIME. WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT NOW, BUT THAT IT, UM, MAYBE, UH, DIDN'T GO THROUGH, UM, IN THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSIONS OR THE EARLIER DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD WITH, UH, UH, WITH THE APPLICANTS. UM, YEAH, BUT, UH, UH, IT LOOKED LIKE THE ORDINANCE FROM COUNCIL WAS, UH, DUE TO COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS FROM THE SURROUNDING PARCELS THAT THEY FELT THAT, UM, IT JUST MADE THE ULTIMATE DECISION TO GO WITH THE, UM, THE MULTIFAMILY, UM, MULTI-FAMILY FOR, WITHOUT THE AGE. SO, BUT THOSE, ALL OF THOSE ORDINANCES ARE IN THE BACK OF COMMISSIONER LOOKS AT, WELL, LOOK, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LANDMARK TO THE CITY COUNCIL, NOT TAKING OUR ADVICE AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENS. YEAH. UH, HELLO, THIS IS TRACY CHEN. OKAY. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED MR. CHEN. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. DID ANYONE COMMISSIONER LAROCHE? WELL, I GUESS I, I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT THAT WE, AS A COMMUNITY, COULDN'T DO BETTER BY THIS TREASURED LANDMARK. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE OWNER AND THE DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE THE SITE AS INVITING AS POSSIBLE TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY, TO ENJOY IT WHILE IT LASTS POINT WELL TAKEN. UM, I W I WOULD SAY, UH, FOR THE ARCHITECT, MR. CHIN, WHEN WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM, UH, SOME YEARS BACK SEEMED VERY AMENABLE TO THESE, UM, STABILIZATION PLAN AND ALL OF THIS. AND, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE, UM, THAT THE OWNERS JUST DIDN'T GO FORWARD WITH THAT. SO IN ANY EVENT, UM, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, LET'S TAKE A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY, AYE, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM [Items 8 & 21] IS ITEM 8, 11 26 WEST SIXTH STREET. AND WE'RE TAKING THIS TOGETHER WITH ITEM 21, 11, 16 AND 11 WEST SIXTH STREET. I BELIEVE WE NEED A MOTION TO TAKE THE ITEMS TOGETHER. OKAY. UM, SO MOVED. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER, ALL IN FAVOR OF TAKING THESE TOGETHER, PLEASE SAY, AYE. IT PASSES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL ITEM EIGHT, UH, IS 1126 WEST SIXTH STREET. THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO DECONSTRUCT THE EXISTING BUILDING, RECONSTRUCT THE FACADE AND CONSTRUCTED NEW MULTISTORY AND MIXED USE BUILDING BEYOND, UM, THIS PROPERTY RETAINS [01:55:01] ABOUT 23% OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WITH THE STREET FENESTRATION PATTERNS, FIFTH STREET FACING FENESTRATION PATTERNS, UNALTERED. UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING WILL BE DECONSTRUCTED, UM, BEYOND THE FACADE. AND THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MULTISTORY BUILDING DIRECTLY A TOP, THE RECONSTRUCTED FACADE EXTENDING TOWARDS THE BACK. UH, THIS PROPOSED SECOND FLOOR WILL REPLICATE THE FENESTRATION PATTERN AND THE EXISTING ROOF LINE AT THE FIRST FLOOR, PROPOSE NEW WINDOWS ARE FIXED AND THEN DIVIDED. AND THE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOORS ARE SET BACK FROM THE PARAPET AND APPEAR TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF LIGHT COLORED BRICK AND FIXED GLAZING WITH FLAT ROOFS OF VARIABLE HEIGHT. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS A ONE-STORY ONE-STORY SPANISH COLONIAL REVIVAL, COMMERCIAL BUILDING ORIGINALLY WITH THREE TENANT SPACES, DEMARCATED BY TRANSOM DOOR, A DOOR AND WINDOW COMBINATIONS AT EACH BAY, LARGER DIVIDED TRANSOMS APPEAR ABOVE EACH ADMINISTRATION UNIT. UM, AND THE BUILDING IS CLOUD AND HORIZONTAL SIDING AND CAPTURE THE TERRACOTTA TILE SHED ROOF ABOVE WHICH THE PARAPET EXTENDS AT EACH END OF THE BUILDING. UH, THIS BUILDING IS WITHIN THE CASTLE HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THE CASTLE HILL DESIGN STANDARDS ARE USED TO EVALUATE PROJECTS WITHIN IT. UM, THIS PROPOSED PROJECT NEEDS FEW OF THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS AS ESTABLISHED BY THE DISTRICT. UM, THIS ITEM WENT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WHO, WHO GAVE FEEDBACK AND SAID THAT THE SECOND, UM, REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANTS AT THE SECOND FLOOR BACK FROM THE RECONSTRUCTED FACADE AND THAT THEY NOT EXACTLY REPLICATE THE EXISTING OPENINGS AT THE SECOND FLOOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS TO CONCUR WITH THE COMMITTEE FEEDBACK AND TO REFER THE PROJECT BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, FOR FURTHER FEEDBACK AS THE PROPOSED PROJECT STILL RENDERS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. NON-CONTRIBUTING THOUGH THE DESIGN APPEARS TO TAKE SOME CUES FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND RELATED TO THIS ITEMS, ITEM NUMBER 21, UM, 1116 WEST SIXTH STREET, UM, AND 1116 B WEST SIXTH STREET. UM, THIS IS RELATED TO THE SAME NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. UM, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THE WEST LINE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. THIS IS THE PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE CIRCA 1927 CONTRIBUTING COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND AN 1895 CONTRIBUTING HOUSE. UM, AND TO CONSTRUCT THAT MULTI LOT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT REFERENCED IN ITEM EIGHT. UM, THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT WILL DEMOLISH THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND RECONSTRUCT THE FACADE AT 1116 WEST SIXTH STREET POTENTIAL MATERIALS FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION INCLUDE WHITE BRICK OR STONE. WE'RE USING THE EXISTING BRICK, UM, USING CONCRETE OR TREATED OR CHARRED WOOD. THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL ALSO DEMOLISH THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING LOCATED IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE STORE, AND IT WILL CONSTRUCT A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SPANNING THE BLOCK TO BLINKO STREET. THE 2005 WESTLINE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT NOMINATION DESCRIBES 1116 WEST SIXTH STREET AS FOLLOWS ONE OF A NUMBER OF MISSION REVIVAL STYLE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WEST SIXTH STREET. THIS BRICK TWO-PART COMMERCIAL BLOCK WAS BUILT IN 1927 AT THREE BAY STOREFRONT ON THE GROUND FLOOR CONSISTS OF CENTRAL DOUBLE DOORS FLANKED BY EXPANSIVE PLATE GLASS, WINDOWS, AND ADDITIONAL DOOR. AT THE END OF THE FACADE, IT LEADS TO STAIRS TO THE UPPER FLOOR. THE SECOND STORY FACADE PUNCTURED BY PAIRED AND TRIPLE DOUBLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS TERMINATES IN A SHAPED PARAPET, A SUSPENDED METAL AWNING COVERS THE SIDEWALK IN A CANTERED CLAY TILE ROOF BELOW THE PARAPET SHADES. THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING OR RECESS PER CO-SHARE SURMOUNTED BY A ONE ROOM RANK WAYNE CENTERED ON THE STUCCOED FRONT ELEVATION OF THE WING IS A CLUSTER OF THROUGH WINDOWS AND WOOD STAIRS LEAD TO AN ADJACENT EXTERIOR DOOR SHELTERED BY A METAL AWNING, 1116 B WEST SIXTH STREET. UM, ALSO KNOWN AS 1114 WEST SIXTH STREET IS AN LPN FOOT VICTORIAN HOUSE. IT APPEARS TO BE SIDE GABLED WITH TRADITIONAL CORNERS RETURNS AND HAS A BOARD AND BATTEN REAR ADDITION WITH A HIPPED ROOF OF CORRUGATED METAL. IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PRIMARY WEST SIXTH STREET FRONTAGE FROM 1927 TO 1944. THIS BUILDING HAS THE GROCERY RUN BY ALEXANDER AND ANNIE JOHN FISHER. IF YOU LIVED ON THE UPPER FLOOR, THE FISHERS SOLD THE BUILDING TO RAYMOND CAMPY WHO ALSO OWNED THE CLUSTER OF SMALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. ON THE OTHER CORNER OF THE BLOCK, CAN'T BE OPERATED CAPITAL FLOORS UNTIL 1955. THE BUILDING WAS THEN OCCUPIED BY BILL BUNCH FLOWERS OF FLORES SHOP RUN BY GUSTY BENCH. THE BENCH FAMILY LIVED EITHER IN THE UPSTAIRS HALF OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR IN THE REAR HOUSE ADDRESSED ULTIMATELY AS 11, 14, 11, 14 AND A HALF AND 1116 B THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC PERIOD UNTIL AT LEAST 1968, THE HOUSE, WHICH APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THE OLDEST EXTANT BUILDINGS IN THE BLOCK. IF HE WAS TO HAVE BEEN RENTED OUT BY THE PROPRIETORS OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING SINCE ITS CONSTRUCTION IN 1927, THE FURTHER RESEARCH MAY BE WARRANTED TO ASSESS ITS INTEGRITY. THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS ARE BASED ON THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND ARE USED TO EVALUATE PROJECTS AND NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS. AND THIS PROJECT [02:00:01] MEETS SOME OF THE APPLICABLE CITYWIDE DESIGN STANDARDS, BOTH BUILDINGS AND THE PROPERTY CONTRIBUTE TO THE WESTLAND NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, WHICH RECOMMENDS 1126 AS INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. UM, THE PRIMARY BUILDING APPEARS TO RETAIN HIGH TO MODERATE INTEGRITY WHILE THE SECONDARY BUILDING APPEARS TO MAINTAIN MODERATE TO LOW INTEGRITY. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PRIMARY STREET. VANTAGE STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINED THAT IT MAY MEET TWO CRITERIA. THE BUILDING IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A MISSION REVIVAL TO PARK MARSHALL BLOCK, UH, PER THAT WESTLINE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT NOMINATION. AND THE PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH GROCERIES, ALLIE ANIK'S FISHER AND ALEX FISHER, UM, COMMITTEE FEEDBACK WAS TO RETAIN THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT 1116 WEST SIXTH STREET, RATHER THAN DEMOLISHING AND RECONSTRUCTING THE FACADE MAINTAIN THE RHYTHM OF THE STREET USING EXISTING PATTERNS AS A REFERENCE DO NOT RELY ON PLANTINGS TO ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE OR DECONSTRUCT THE BUILDING FOR USE AS A COURTYARD ENTRANCE AND RETAIN TEXTUAL DETAILS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONCUR WITH THE COMMITTEE FEEDBACK AND TO CONSIDER REFERRAL TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, ALTERNATELY, UM, STAFF AND PURGES PRESERVATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE. UM, BUT SHOULD THE COMMISSION WISH TO PROCEED RECOMMENDS RELEASE IF THE DEMOLITION PERMITS UPON COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THAT DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF HERE? OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE CHARTER REPRESENTATIVE, UH, APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY. DO YOU REMEMBER THE COMMISSIONER? MY NAME'S RICHARD SETTLE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. I'M GOING TO TALK REALLY FAST OR REALLY SHORT BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD ENOUGH FROM LAWYERS. WE'VE GOT OUR ARCHITECT FLOWN OVER FROM OVERSEAS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS CASE, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY, WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN THIS PROJECT TO THE OWANA NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND HAVE RECEIVED, UH, AN OVERWHELMING ENDORSEMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP ABOUT KEEPING THE RHYTHM AND THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY DON'T TAKE A POSITION ON THE HISTORIC LANDMARK STUFF. UM, WE ALSO HAVE BEEN TO THE COMMITTEE AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT IS, IS A RESPONSE AND TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE THE COMMITTEE'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. AND WE'LL HOPE, HOPE THAT, THAT YOU CAN LOOK FAVORABLY ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. UM, ADAPTIVE, REUSE, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE, THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTIES AND THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE. SO I'LL TURN IT LOOSE TO OUR ARCHITECT WHO, UH, YOU'LL BE FAR MORE INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM THAN ME. THANKS. THANK YOU, RICHARD. THANK YOU FOR, UM, TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US, UM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. MY NAME IS LUCAS . I'M REPRESENTING HEARTSONG IN DENVER ON, WE ARE A, UH, AN OFFICE BASED IN BASEL, SWITZERLAND. WE ARE THE DESIGNERS FOR THIS PROJECT AND, UM, ALTHOUGH WE'VE DONE NUMEROUS PROJECTS IN THE UNITED STATES, THIS IS OUR FIRST PROJECTS IN TEXAS, THE FIRST PROJECT IN AUSTIN. WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK HERE AND TO EXPLORE THE CITY AND TO, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO THE ARCHITECTURE AND TO THE DESIGN IN THE CITY. UM, FOR SLIDES. CAN WE GO TO MAYBE SLIDE THREE? WE STARTED THERE, I KNOW I'VE LIMITED TIME, BUT, UM, I'LL TRY TO COMPRESS. SO FROM A PEDESTRIAN VIEWPOINT, VANTAGE POINT, THE BUILDING IS PERCEIVED AS A SERIES OF TWO STORY BUILDINGS WHERE YOU KIND OF MAINTAIN THE RHYTHM OF SIXTH STREET AND THE COMMERCIAL STREET FRONT, UM, ABOVE THAT THE PROJECT STEPS BACK FROM THE STREET AND DECREASES IN DENSITY AS IT GROWS TALLER. AND THE PROJECT BRINGS A HUMAN SCALE IN THE SENSE OF DOMESTIC COMFORT FOR ALL THE USERS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. NEXT SLIDE. UM, THE CHALLENGE AND, UH, POTENTIAL OF THE PROJECT IS TO PROPOSE AN ARCHITECTURE THAT TAKES KEY INGREDIENTS FROM THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT AND DISTRIBUTE THEM THROUGHOUT THE DENSE IT PERMEABLE PROGRAM, GENEROUS GREENERY, PASSIVELY COOLED, INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SPACES, INACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD STOREFRONT, AND THE USE OF MATERIAL PALETTE, WHICH IS ALIGNED WITH HISTORIC, UH, FABRIC. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO WE'RE HERE SPECIFICALLY TO TALK ABOUT 11, 16 AND 1124 OR 1126, I GUESS IT HAS BOTH ADDRESSES. UM, NEXT SLIDE. UM, WE, WE MET A COUPLE OF WHERE WE TALKED TO THE COMMISSION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. UM, SO WE TOOK THEIR FEEDBACK ON BOARD AS RICHARD JUST MENTIONED. UM, SO THE FIRST THING IS WE, WE TRIED TO REWORK THE UNDERGROUND LEVELS IN ORDER TO ALLOW, UH, PRESERVATION OF THE FRONT FACADES AND THE COUNT OF THE CORNERS OF THOSE FRONT FACADES WRAPPING AROUND, UM, OF BOTH THOSE BUILDINGS. SO WE WOULD NOT BE TOUCHING THOSE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, SO MAINTAIN EXISTING FRONT FACADE. THIS IS THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD, AND THIS IS THE FEEDBACK WE ARE INTEGRATING INTO THE DESIGN. SO MAINTAINING THE FRONT FACADES OF BOTH CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, [02:05:01] NO ADDITIONS TO THE FRONT FACADES, WE WILL RESTORE WHATEVER IS DAMAGED OR NEEDS CLEANING. WE WOULD REBUILD THE REMAINING FRAME OF THE TWO BUILDINGS AND WE WOULD ACTIVE ACTIVATE BOTH STRUCTURES OF COMMERCIAL FUNCTIONS, COMBINING GARDENS AND ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC SPACES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, SO, AND BASICALLY THE PLAN IS AN URBAN CARPET OF SHOPS, RESTAURANTS, WHICH OCCUPIED THE GROUND FLOOR, AND WE WANT TO, UH, SEAMLESSLY BLEND THE EXISTING BUILDINGS INTO THE MASTER PLAN, ALL ORGANIZED AROUND, UM, ACCESSIBLE, PLANTED COURTYARDS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, SO 11, UH, 24, 11 26. NEXT SLIDE. UM, OUR GOAL IS TO AS MENTIONED, PRESERVE COMPLETELY THE FRONT FACADE AND ALSO THE WRAPPING OF THAT FRONT FACADE AROUND THE CORNER. SO PRESERVE THE CORNER CONDITION AS WELL. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, UH, WITHIN THAT, UH, WITHIN, BEYOND THAT PRESERVED FACADE, WE WILL INTEGRATE RETAILS. UM, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT RETAIL IS, BUT AN ACTIVE RETAIL, UH, COMBINED WITH AN ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC SPACE AND A GARDEN. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, UM, IN ORDER TO REALLY ACTIVATE THAT SPACE AND TO REALLY MAKE THAT FACADE AND THAT BUILDING, UH, PART OF THE STREETSCAPE, BUT ALSO PART OF, UH, OF THAT RETAIL EXPERIENCE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, SO THE FRONT FACADE, AS YOU SEE IT, UH, TODAY WE WOULD PRESERVE EXACTLY THIS. WE WOULD KEEP ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS, UM, ALL THE FRAMING ELEMENTS, THE TERRACOTTA ROOF, THE SIDING, AND ALSO THE CORONER, UH, DETAILS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THEN AS YOU SEE, THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD STEP BACK, UM, SAME ON 1116. NEXT SLIDE. IF YOU COULD JUST MOVE IT ALONG, YOU'RE GOING AT A PRETTY GOOD CLIP, SAME, SAME IDEA. WE PRESERVE THE FRONT FACADE, ALL OF THE ELEMENTS WE WOULD CLEAN THE GRAFFITI WE WOULD, WE WOULD CLEAN UP THE FACADE. NEXT NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, WE WOULD ACTIVATE, THIS WAS ONE OF THE COMMITTEE COMMENTS. WE WILL ACTIVATE THE FRONT FACADE OF A COMMERCIAL FUNCTION, UM, UH, KIOSK, UH, COFFEE SHOP, AN ICE CREAM SHOP. WE, DON'T NOT QUITE SURE YET, BUT WE WANT TO BRING AN ACTIVE STREET FRONT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, THIS IS A PROJECT IN MILAN, WHICH WOULD BE VERY MUCH LIKE ABOUT AN INDOOR OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE AND A VERY ACTIVE PUBLIC SPACE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, SO AGAIN, INDOOR SPACE AND OUTDOOR SPACE, OUTDOOR SEATING, SEAMLESS KIND OF TRANSITION INDRA. NOW THERE ARE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, SO THE FRONT FACADE WE WOULD RESTORE, WE WOULD, UM, MAKE SURE TO PRESERVE ALL OF ITS KEY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AS WELL AS THE CORNERS AND ADD AN ACTIVE STREET FRONT USAGE TO THE FACADE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, NEXT SLIDE. UM, WE WANT EMMY WITHIN THE CASTLE HILL HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN A COMPATIBLE, UH, RELATIONSHIP TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, BOTH IN TERMS OF FORM AND MASSING, THE USE OF WOOD AND OTHER NATURAL MATERIALS, WHICH ARE COMPATIBLE WITH LOCAL TRADITIONS, A COMPATIBLE YET DISCERNIBLE DESIGN FROM THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT. WE WANT TO PRESERVE ALL THE LARGE TREES ON SITE. NEXT SITE SLIDE, PLEASE. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THE CORRIDORS THAT WE ARE CREATING THE IDEAS TO ADD PASSIVE ENERGY SAVINGS USING AWNING, STRUTHERS, GLAZING SETBACKS, AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO REALLY CREATE A REDUCTION OF AIR CONDITIONING LOADS, AND ALSO TIMBER STRUCTURE, WHICH IS SUSTAINABLE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE AS AN OFFICE. WE, WE HAVE WORKED ON ON MANY NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS HISTORIC STRUCTURES ALL OVER THE WORLD IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED STATES. WE'VE ALWAYS WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH THE, UM, THE, THE, THE LOCAL AFFORDS TO MAKE SURE TO INTEGRATE A NEW DESIGN, BE COMPATIBLE AND TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING, UH, THE CONTEXT WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO IT. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AND TO MAKE SURE WE GET, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, UH, WITH KEVIN, UNFORTUNATELY, WASN'T ABLE TO MEET IN PERSON, BUT, UM, UH, WE WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU AND TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON BOARD. UM, AND TO ALSO FOR YOU TO ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH MANY, MANY, MANY HISTORIC BUILDINGS, AND WE'VE INTEGRATED MANY PROJECTS INTO HISTORIC BUILDINGS AS ADDITIONS OR RENOVATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, I TAKE IT THE MAIN, I'M SORRY. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER WRIGHT COMMISSIONER, RIGHT. OKAY. SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE, CAROLINE. I, I DELAYED, I WASN'T SURE IF I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, SO I APOLOGIZE. UM, WHAT IS THE DECISION TO USE THESE [02:10:01] HISTORIC BUILDINGS? NOT AS BUILDINGS, BUT AS OUTDOOR CLAUSES? UM, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT. THAT WAS OUR INITIAL CONCEPT, BUT WE WANT, WE WANT TO INTEGRATE, I MEAN, WHAT WE LOVE IN AUSTIN IS THE IDEA OF AN INDOOR OUTDOOR RELATIONSHIP IN SPACES. SO WE WANT TO USE THOSE BUILDINGS TO REALLY BECOME ANCHORS WITHIN THE PROJECT THAT THEY CAN BE USED, WHERE YOU GO AND HAVE A COFFEE, YOU SIT DOWN, YOU REALLY USE THOSE BUILDINGS AND THEY BECOME PUBLIC SPACES. THE PROBLEM WITH ONLY TURNING THEM INTO SHOPS THAT THEY CLOSE AT NIGHT, OR THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE OPERATOR BY MAKING THEM, UH, HAVING AN OUTDOOR COMPONENT WITHIN THOSE SPACES. WE CAN ALSO ALLOW THEM TO MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC FUNCTION. THEY CAN BE ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE. THANK YOU. YEAH, WE REALLY NEED THOSE, UH, OUTDOOR SPACES HERE IN JULY AND AUGUST WHEN IT'S 105 TO 110 EVERY DAY. UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS, UM, HERE AND ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION? WE HAVE A FEW SPEAKERS JOINING US BY PHONE, BUT I'M NOT SURE. I THINK THEY MIGHT BE JUST LISTENING IN. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE COMMENTS. WE HAVE BARRETTE SIMON AND KRISTEN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? BRETT, SIMON AND CHRISTIAN. OKAY. ERIC HERE, BUT NO PART OF THE QUESTION. OKAY, GREAT. UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, UM, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION OR IN FAVOR? YES. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU MAY SIT DOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T SIGN UP TO PHONE IN, SO I UNDERSTOOD I NEEDED TO COME AND IT DID A GOOD EVENING ON LINDA. CANGIALOSI A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF CENTRAL AUSTIN. I LIVE AT 6 0 6 OAKLAND, WHICH, UH, A BUNGALOW I BOUGHT IN 1979. UM, I'M HERE. UH, I ASKED IF I COULD JUST COME AS A NEUTRAL PERSON BECAUSE I, UH, BECAUSE I AM, UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME IMPORTANT ISSUES I WANT TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION. UM, THE PROJECT HAS MUCH TO RECOMMEND IT STARTING WITH THREE LEVELS OF UNDERGROUND PARKING, WHICH IS TREMENDOUS. AND I THINK THAT'S THE THING THAT, UH, MR. SUTTON SAID AWANA LIKED IT. I THINK THAT WAS PERHAPS ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT IT. THAT WAS THE CARROT. AND I ANSWERED THE PARKING ISSUE, BUT WHAT, WHAT DOES AUSTIN NEED NOW THIS TIME OF CLIMATE CRISIS OF AFFORDABILITY CRISIS? DO WE NEED A PROJECT THAT TAKES TWO ACRES OF LAND? UH, UH, JUST A FEW STEPS FROM SIXTH AND LAMAR LITERALLY SPITTING DISTANCE FROM DOWNTOWN FOR SOME MORE OFFICES, SOME MORE, UH, HIGH-END RETAIL, UH, 60 ROOM BOUTIQUE HOTEL, WHICH IS UNDERSTAND PART OF THE PLAN AND NINE PENTHOUSE CONDOS ON THE TOP, WHICH, UH, THEY SAID THAT WOULD DEVOTE 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE TO NINE UNITS. I THINK THOSE MUST BE AT LEAST $5 MILLION CONDOS. UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE DEALING WITH HISTORICAL ISSUES. I WANT TO BRING SOME OF THOSE TO YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE. UM, THERE'S A HISTORICAL PATTERN HERE FOR SURE. WHICH IS, IF YOU LOOKED AT SOME OF THOSE OLD PICTURES, THERE WAS A GROCERY STORE, THERE WAS SIGNAGE OUT FRONT. THERE WERE BUSINESSES THERE. AND I KNOW AS RECENTLY AS NOT TOO MANY YEARS AGO, PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN THE APARTMENTS ABOVE THEM, I THINK IT WAS EITHER WIKIS OR THE NEXT ONE. THERE WERE, THERE WERE APARTMENTS THAT PEOPLE LIVE THERE. THAT'S THE HISTORICAL PATTERN, WHICH IS A COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE RETAIL USES THAT SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE BOTTOM AND HOUSING ABOVE. UH, I'D LOVE TO SEE MORE HOUSING AT THIS LOCATION. THE CITY OF AUSTIN DESPERATELY NEEDS MORE HOUSING. AND AT THIS LOCATION, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT IN THE SUBURBS, IF WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM LIVE CENTRALLY, THIS WOULD BE A FABULOUS PLACE TO DO THAT. IT MAY BE THAT SHIP HAS SAILED. I KNOW THAT THIS PEOPLE PUT A LOT INTO THIS PROJECT, BUT, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION CAN SAY, WELL, WE CAN GIVE YOU CARROTS, UH, IN TERMS OF ANOTHER FLOOR OR TWO, THERE'S A 60 FOOT OVERLAY ON THIS. FOR SOME REASON WHICH DEFIES LOGIC, THE CITY OF AUSTIN WOULD LIKE IT TO BE AT LEAST A 90 FOOT ZONE. I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION HAS THE POWER TO INCREASE ENTITLEMENTS IN EXCHANGE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ITEMS. I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE [02:15:01] THIS IS THE PLACE WE NEED HOUSING. WE DON'T NEED A, A BOUTIQUE HOTEL AT THIS LOCATION. UM, AND THE P IN THE PATTERN PRESERVING THAT THIS IS PEOPLE, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD LIVE, NOT WHERE THEY COME TO OFFICE AND THEN GO AWAY. UM, THE IDEA OF THE SPACE AND NO INDOOR OUTDOOR SPACE OR WHATEVER, IF THERE IS A BUILDING THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, LIKE A PARK, BUT NOT A PARK. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I GO WALKING, I WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSTANTLY. I WALK AT NIGHT AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. IF THERE ARE THESE PLACES THAT ARE TURNED INTO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE EXACTLY. PASSAGEWAYS PLACES TO DRINK COFFEE OUTSIDE. THAT'S GREAT. BUT IF THEY'RE WITHIN A BUILDING, THAT'S NOT SO GREAT. AND FINALLY, UM, AND ACTUALLY THIS IS THE REALLY GOOD POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. THEY HAVE CALLED THIS PROJECT CLARK'S VILLAGE. I CAN'T THINK THAT THEY COULD'VE COME UP WITH A MORE CRINGE, WORTHY NAME THAN THAT. DEVELOPERS, REALTORS, EVEN GOOGLE MAPS APPROPRIATE AND MONETIZE THE ORIGINAL CLARKSVILLE SETTLEMENT TO SELL THE $20 HAM SANDWICH OR THE INSTAGRAM OR THE BRUNCH EXPERIENCE THAT THESE THAT'S BEING OFFERED. NOW ON THAT PART OF SIXTH STREET, THAT IS IN NO WAY CLARKSVILLE. IT NEVER WAS, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE CALLED CLARK'S VILLAGE. NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PEOPLE WANT TO CAPITALIZE ON IT. THEY ARE APPROPRIATING SOMETHING AND COMMISSIONER CHAIR MEYER, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WESTLAND MOPAC, I BELIEVE 10TH TO WATERSON. IT'S A VERY DISTINCT AREA. AND TO SPREAD THAT AND PARTICULARLY DOWN TO THIS KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT AND CALL IT CLERKS VILLAGE, PLEASE BRING THAT INTO YOUR DISCUSSION. THAT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE. IT IS. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT I DO BELIEVE THE APPLICANT GETS HER REBUTTAL. OKAY. SLAP IN THE FACE WELL-TAKEN AND WE'VE CHANGED THE NAME AFTER LEARNING ABOUT IT. AND, UM, WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM MARY REED. UM, CLARKSVILLE SHOULD BE PRESERVED AS A NAME TO GO WITH A HISTORIC FREEDOM, FREEDOM COLONY THAT EXISTED AND YEAH. AND NOT CAPITALIZED ON WE MISSED. OKAY. UM, THERE ARE RIGHT NOW, NINE TO 10 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON TOP, UH, CONTINUING THE, THE FLOW OF, OF RESIDENTIAL IT'S, IT'LL BE LAYERED. AND THEN, UM, WE HOPE YOU'LL LOOK FAVORABLY ON THE RESPONSE TO THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS. IT DOES SEEM WEIRD AT 105 THAT WE'VE HAD AN OUTDOOR SPACE, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT ACTUALLY BRINGS PEOPLE IN AND THROUGH THE PROJECT, UH, BETTER. AND I HOPE DURING YOUR DISCUSSION, YOU'LL PULL UP THE DIAGRAMS AND LOOK AT THAT, AND THEN WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. HOPEFULLY WE COULD GET YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, RICHARD. WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? DO WE WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR LEAVE IT OPEN? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION TO STAFF. YES. YES. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, MR. COMMISSIONER. I'M SET. YEAH. UH, MS. CANGIALOSI MENTIONED THAT SHE THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME PROVISION WHERE THE 60 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT MIGHT BE WAIVED BY THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY PROGRAM WE HAVE THAT GIVES US THAT POWER, BUT COULD WE HAVE STAFF CONFIRM FIRST-YEAR HOMESTEAD? UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH IN OUR CODE. UM, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE USED THAT, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, UM, I'LL NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK. I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THERE. YEAH. THERE MIGHT BE SOME, SOME VERY ODD PROVISION IN SOME OVERLAYS THAT SOMEHOW REFERENCED US, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY EITHER. UH, PERHAPS MR. SUTTLE HAS THE ANSWER. MR. SUTTLE IS RIGHT HERE. I'M NOT OF ONE. AND I ALSO KNOW THAT IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER, THERE MIGHT BE AN OVERLAY WE'VE GOT COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS THAT WE'LL ACTUALLY BE GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR, FOR A SLIGHT WAIVER. ALSO PART OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION CHANGE. IT'S KIND OF WEIRD, BUT WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THAT WE STICK TO THE 60 FEET. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, CHER MYERS. I WILL, UM, I, I THINK THEY'VE DONE A FABULOUS JOB AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN TO THE REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, [02:20:01] I THINK IF THE REVIEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS BELIEVE IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, WE COULD REFER IT AGAIN. BUT I, I, WHAT I SEE IS A VARIABLE PROJECT. I THINK THAT WITH THE SENSITIVITY THAT, UH, SOME VERY SOPHISTICATED DESIGNERS ARE BRINGING TO THIS PROJECT, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD WISH THAT WE COULD GET MORE, UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK COMPARED TO A LOT OF ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'VE BEEN LIVING, HAVING TO DEAL WITH, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE ENCOURAGEMENT TO THIS KIND OF PROJECT. SO I GUESS, UH, I GUESS FOR, FOR SAKE OF DISCUSSION, IF NOTHING ELSE I'LL MOVE, UH, APPROVAL, UH, THE, OF THE PROPOSAL AS HAS BEEN MODIFIED, AND WE WANT TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST, OR, UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. SHALL WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL MOVE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. SECOND. YEAH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. NOW YOU MAY MAKE YOUR MOTION, SIR. YES. SO MY MOTION WOULD BE THE APPROVAL ON ITEM EIGHT AND ITEM 21 OF THE, UM, THE PRESENTATION AS AMENDED, UM, AS, AS IT WAS PRESENTED AS WAS PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT. OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I WILL SECOND THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THE ARCHITECTS ENDEAVORS TO REALLY, TO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IN, IN PRESERVING THE FACADES AND INTEGRATING THAT INTO THE PROJECT. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS NICELY DONE. UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, I, I REALLY WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF DECONSTRUCTING AND THEN RICAN RECONSTRUCTING, A FACADE, UM, THAT IS PHO HISTORICISM. AND, UM, I AM PLEASANTLY SURPRISED AT WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER'S COOK AND VILLAINS SUELA WHO WERE AT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. WELL, I'LL GO FIRST. UH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS HERE. UM, WE'LL REMIND EVERYONE THAT 1124 IS IN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT'S CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY. AND SO WE DO HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO PREVENT DEMOLITION THERE, UH, BEING THE STYLE OF, UH, BUILDING THAT IT IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE STREET FACING FACADE AS THE PRIMARY HISTORIC, UH, PUBLIC FACE. UM, AND I THINK THE ADDITION, UH, SETBACK AS IT IS, WAS, IS SENSITIVE, UH, THE REMAINING PROPERTY. UM, AGAIN, IT WILL BE PARTIALLY DEMOLISHED. THE PRIMARY HISTORIC FACADE WILL BE RETAINED, UH, OR RETAINING THE WINDOWS AND DOORS. SO IT STREET PRESENCE WILL REMAIN. I STILL HAVE A PREFERENCE THAT THEY WOULD REMAIN AS FULL STRUCTURES AND THAT THE, UH, PASSAGES BE DESIGNED INTO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, BUT I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE SO MUCH OF AN ISSUE OF IT THAT I WOULD DO ANYTHING SUCH AS SUGGEST INITIATING HISTORIC ZONING ON THE PROPERTY. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'VE MADE IT A STREET FACING KIOSK AT LEAST SO THAT THERE IS A SENSE OF STOREFRONT TO IT. UH, I DIDN'T RECALL THAT 1124 WAS, WAS, HAD GOTTEN THE COURTYARD TREATMENT. UM, I I'M STILL NOT TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH THAT, BUT WITH RETAINING THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC FACADE, UM, I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT AS WELL. COMMISSIONER BELLIN SUELA CAN WE GET YOUR TAKE? SURE. JUST FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, I, I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. I DO ECHO EVERYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER COOK SAID. UM, I, IT'S A SHAME THAT WE ARE, UM, BASICALLY DECONSTRUCTING, UM, AN ENTIRE BUILDING, UM, THAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY, UH, TO, TO PUT IT IN TO, UM, A COURTYARD SITUATION WHERE WE DO HAVE A DEMOLITIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING, UM, WITH NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WHERE THAT COURTYARD PRESENCE COULD HAPPEN. UM, SO I, I DO, UM, I DO THINK IT'S A SHAME THAT WE ARE, UH, KIND OF DEACTIVATING HISTORICAL BUILDINGS TO CONVERT THEM INTO COURTYARDS. UH, SO THAT PART OF THE PROJECT, I AM STILL NOT REALLY ON BOARD WITH. UM, BUT I DO APPRECIATE, UM, THE FACT THAT WE ARE RETAINING, UH, THE HISTORICAL FACADES AND PERTAINING, UM, WHAT THAT STREETSCAPE DID LOOK LIKE HISTORICALLY. I JUST REALLY WISH WE COULD HAVE HAD THOSE COURTYARDS, UM, AS PART OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND NOT, UM, BASICALLY DEACTIVATING HISTORIC BUILDINGS. WOULD IT BE, UM, BENEFICIAL TO [02:25:01] SEND THIS BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE IN YOUR OPINION? I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY OTHER CHANGES TO BE MADE. I THINK WE'VE, UH, BOTH, UH, COMMISSIONER COOK AND I EXPRESSED, UH, THIS VERY SAME THING IN THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. AND WHAT WE SEE HERE TONIGHT ARE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THAT, UM, BASED, BASED ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS THERE. UM, I DO APPRECIATE, UH, THE SUBTLE TREATMENT OF THE, UM, I GUESS THE MULTI-STORY, UH, OFFICE AND, AND, UH, HOTEL AND CAN HOUSE STRUCTURE BEHIND. SO IT DEFINITELY DOES NOT INTRUDE UPON THAT HISTORIC STREETSCAPE. SO I, AGAIN, IT'S COMMISSIONER COOKS THAT I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP. UM, THIS WILL BE BORDERED ON, ON, I GUESS, JUST FINE TUNING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND, AND PERSPECTIVE ON IT. UM, I, UH, I'M JUST, I MAY BE BLINDED HERE BY THE FACT THAT THEY'RE, UH, RESTORING THE FACADES, THE FRONT FACADES, I THINK, UM, I THINK THAT'S A REAL GAIN FOR PRESERVATION. UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE, UH, CHANGING THE USE, UH, TURNING IT INTO A COURTYARD. YES, COMMISSIONER, RIGHT. Y I LIKE THE OVERALL PROJECT, BUT I HAVE TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH THE CHANGES TO HOW THE BUILDINGS WILL FUNCTION. UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION IN RELATED TO OTHER PROJECTS ONGOING IN AUSTIN, YOU KNOW, CHANGING NO MATTER HOW WELL THE BUILDINGS ARE RECONSTRUCTED, IF THE, IF THE THOUGHTS WERE RETAINED EXACTLY AS THEY ARE, UM, CONVERTING THE BUILDINGS TO GARDENS MAKES THEM ESSENTIALLY NO LONGER BUILDINGS. UM, AND, AND THEY WOULD NOW BE NON-CONTRIBUTING TO, UM, TWO OF THESE, THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS. UM, AND I THINK IT'S JUST IT'S TO ME, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE DESIGN CHOICE TO, TO USE THESE BUILDINGS KIND OF AS A, AS A, AS A, AS A GREAT FEATURE, AS A NOVELTY IN THIS WAY THAT DOESN'T TREAT THEM AND RECOGNIZE THEM AS, AS BUILDINGS. UM, SO I, I SUPPORT THIS MESSAGE. I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO ILL FEELINGS FOR ANYBODY WHO DOES, UM, OR SUPPORT THIS EMOTION. IT'S, IT'S JUST TO ME, WE'RE TAKING BUILDINGS THAT ARE DESIGNATING THEM AND CAUSING PROBLEMS. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT ISSUE A LOT OF PLACES, YOU KNOW, IN TRAVIS HEIGHTS, ESPECIALLY THESE DAYS, ALTHOUGH I'D SAY THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE HERE IN THE VISIBILITY OF THE BUILDINGS SPEAKING ON SIXTH STREET, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE, HAVE DRIVEN PAST THESE AND, AND, AND GONE INTO THE BUILDINGS AND USED THE COMMERCIAL SPACES, UM, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I, TO ME, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE, THAT WE MIGHT APPROVE IN CONCEPT AND, AND HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? COMMISSIONER LAROCHE? WELL, I'M ACTUALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE SITTING ON THIS DICE, ENJOYING THIS DELIBERATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES, I THINK IT'S A HEALTHY AT THE HEALTHY CONVERSATION. UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER WRIGHT'S POSITION AND RESPECT IT. UM, WHEN, WHEN I JOINED THE, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, I WAS CRUSHED ON CONGRESS AVENUE WITH THE FACADES. AND I, I FEEL LIKE IN, IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL GOALS OF THE CITY AND PRESERVATION, IN SPITE OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, I THINK THE WORK WITH THE FACADES IS, IS, IS A PLUS. AND, AND WHILE I RESPECT MR. COOKS AND COMMISSIONER RIGHTS POSITION IN THE BALLOTS, I STILL SUPPORT IT. OKAY. FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER, I'LL BE CLEAR. I HAVE BEEN PERSUADED TO NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT PROBABLY WILL PASS. I THINK IT COULD DESERVE AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH IN AN ATTEMPT TO NOT TURN THESE BUILDINGS, HISTORIC BUILDINGS SPACES [02:30:01] IN, INTO NEGATIVE SPACES AND TO KEEP THEIR RESTORE KEYS AND TO KEEP THEM CONTRIBUTING. SO I WON'T SUPPORT THIS. I WOULD SUPPORT A POSTPONEMENT, BUT I EXPECT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET AROUND TO THAT COMMISSIONER BALANCE WAYLAND. I ALSO JUST APPRECIATE A COMMISSIONER WRITES A COMMENTARY. I DEFINITELY WAS ON THE FENCE, UM, ON THIS ONE, I, I, AGAIN, AS I ALREADY EXPRESSED REALLY HATE THAT WE ARE DEACTIVATING HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE REPURPOSED INTO REALLY NICE, UH, RETAIL SPACE. SO I ALSO WILL NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION. OKAY. WELL, SHALL WE PUT IT TO YES. COMMISSIONER? SURE. JEREMIAH, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, I CAN DEFEND MY MOTION. UH, I THINK THAT WHILE ALL OF THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, THANK GOODNESS. THIS IS THE KIND OF DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S IN THE CONTEXT WHERE MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITH THESE TYPES OF BUILDINGS ARE HOW DO WE DELAY THE INEVITABLE DESTRUCTION? AND WE'VE SEEN WAY TOO MANY OF THESE GO DOWN IN FLAMES. I THINK IF WE CAN SHOW THAT A CONSTRUCTIVE ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR COMMISSION IS SOMETHING TO BE CELEBRATED AND AWARDED REWARDED. UH, I DON'T SEE THAT DELAYING FOR TOO TOO MUCH LONGER IS GOING TO NECESSARILY CHANGE THE PROGRAM OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT AT THIS POINT. UH, AND I DO SEE, UH, AN, UH, AN OWNER AND A, AN A PLANNING TEAM THAT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY RESPONSIVE. SO I THINK THIS IS A WIN, AND I THINK WE TAKE IT. I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED THAT, UH, WE START MAKING, MAKING EVERY ONE OF THESE MORE DIFFICULT AND MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE OF, I GUESS I'M, I'M OPTING FOR THE GOOD AND NOT NEEDING PERFECTION. OKAY. I'M I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT. WE ARE NOT DECONSTRUCTING THESE FRONT FACADES AND THEN REPLICATING THEM. WE ARE RESTORING THESE FACADES. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, COMMISSIONER COOK. OH, LET'S SAY MY ONLY PUSH TOWARD POSTPONING AND DISCUSSING IT IS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A FAIRLY EASY PROGRAM CHANGE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEW OCCUPIED SPACE AND EMPTY HISTORIC SPACE, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY COULDN'T BE SWITCHED AND STILL ACHIEVE THE SAME TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT MAY CHANGE YOUR CIRCULATION. UM, MAYBE THE BUILDING'S BEEN DESIGNED TO A T ALREADY, UH, PLANNING FOR THESE TO BE EMPTY COURTYARDS, UH, AND CAN'T CHANGE COURSE, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME A SHIFT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM OLD TO NEW AND NOT A FUNDAMENTAL REDESIGN. SO I STILL THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME POSSIBILITY AND A ROOM TO EXPLORE THAT. BUT, UH, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION ABOUT THE APPRECIATION THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING UP 60 FEET AND TEARING EVERYTHING DOWN. UM, IT WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL PRESENTATION. EVERYTHING WAS REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH WE'RE DOWN TO THESE TWO AND THE, AND THE TREATMENT OF THESE TWO. AND THAT DOES SAY A LOT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. UM, BUT, UH, I, I DO STILL FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH THAT IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING ALTERNATIVES. UM, BUT THAT'S JUST MY POINT OF VIEW. YOUR POINT OF VIEW IS VALID. WELL, YES. KAREN MYERS, MAY WE ASK THE OWNER? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WOULD THEY CONSIDER NOW THAT THEY'RE HEARING THESE COMMENTS? UM, WOULD WE NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN? IT'S A SPECIFIC QUESTION. IT'S A SPECIFIC QUESTION OF, YEAH. A SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ARE FINE. YEAH. SO SPECIFIC QUESTION OF THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE, WOULD THEY ENTERTAIN MAKING THIS CHANGE? IS IT SOMETHING THAT FITS WITHIN THEIR CURRENT STATE OF THE PROJECT? OKAY. UM, I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF PLANNING OF THE OPERATIONS AND WE ARE, WE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO STUDY TO TAKE ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY, UH, IN OUR KIND OF SUBSEQUENT DESIGN PHASES. UM, WE SEE ESPECIALLY 11, 16 AS A VERY IMPORTANT STRUCTURE THAT NOT THAT ISN'T JUST THE ONE THAT MISREPRESENT, MAYBE THE PRESENTATION, WE DO HAVE A STREET FRONT FACADE THAT'S ACTIVE, THAT'S COMMERCIAL, AND THAT PROVIDES A PROGRAM. SO IT'S NOT A GODDESS BUILDING. I THINK THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD A FEW WEEKS AGO. UM, WE WANT TO MAKE IT AN ANCHOR SPACE THAT, THAT HAS A RETAIL OR A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OR A FOOD AND BEVERAGE COMPONENT TO IT, BUT IT'S STILL A SPACE THAT COULD BE ACCESSED AND ACTIVE THROUGHOUT THE DAY. UM, SO IN TERMS OF PLANNING, [02:35:01] UM, IT WOULD BE QUITE A DIFFICULT CHANGE. THE NICE THING ABOUT 1116 IS THAT IT'S VERY CENTRAL AND DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S ALMOST THE PERFECT PLACE TO ALSO ENTER THE SITE, BUT STILL ENGAGED WITH SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL FUNCTIONS. OTHER THAN THAT, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, I MIGHT'VE GONE AROUND AND HE WENT AROUND, I THINK YOU HAD AROUND THAT. UM, WELL, I, I THINK HE DID ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHICH IS THAT, THAT WOULD COOL. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU COMMISSIONER WE'VE WE HAVE ELEMENTS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, THAT WOULD, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ANSWERED TO MY SATISFACTION THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO RECONSIDER AND REDESIGN ALL THE PROJECT AT THIS POINT, UM, UNLESS THEY OFFER TO, I WOULD NOT WANT TO HOLD THEM TO IT. WELL, UM, COMMISSIONER VALANZUELA. YEAH. I, I GUESS I HAVE HAVE TROUBLE, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT BECAUSE, UH, WHEN WE SAW THE CASE THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, THAT ONE BUILDING WAS USED IN FUNCTIONING, THEY JUST HAD A TWO STORY. THEY HAD A SECOND STORY ADDITION, UM, THAT WE ASKED THEM TO PULL BACK 15 FEET. SO I THINK JUST VERY RECENTLY, THERE, THERE WAS A COMPATIBLE USE OR, UM, AT LEAST ONE OF THE BUILDINGS. AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT MAKING THESE COURTYARDS INSTEAD OF, UH, BUILDINGS IS, IS DESTROYING THEM. UM, AND WE ARE LOSING THEM. UH, THEY BECOME JUST ARTIFACTS AND NOT A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY WERE HISTORICALLY. AND TO, TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT 1124 IN PARTICULAR, I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT COURTYARDS THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT. OKAY. SHALL WE TAKE A VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION ON THE TABLE, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. RAISING YOUR HAND. I 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. OKAY. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND COMMISSIONER. TOLA ARE YOU NOT VOTING FAVOR? OKAY. UM, WE HAVE THREE OPPOSED TO THAT, AND I RESPECT YOUR OPPOSITION. I THINK NOW, UM, PLEASE TAKE OUR COMMENTS. UH, DON'T TAKE THEM LIGHTLY AND RECONSIDER, UM, THE USE OF THE, WE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE DISNEYLAND. WE, WE WANT, WE WANT TO RETAIN THE, AS MUCH HISTORIC FABRIC AND USE AS WE CAN, BUT THE MOTION HAS PASSED. THANK YOU. UM, GOING BACK HERE. OKAY. I THINK OUR [14. HR-2022-026102 – 1205 Alta Vista Ave. – Consent Travis Heights – Fairview Park National Register District Council District 9] NEXT ITEM IS 1205 ALTA VISTA AVENUE, AND IT WAS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 14, 12 OF FIVE ALTAVISTA AVENUE, UM, HAS COME BEFORE US BEFORE SEVERAL TIMES. UM, AND THIS IS, I BELIEVE THE LAST, YEAH, THE LAST MEETING AT WHICH THIS ITEM CAN APPEAR, UM, BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE OR THE PERMIT IS RELEASED. UM, THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING TWO STORY DUPLEX IN SECONDARY BUILDING AND CONSTRUCT A NEW THREE STORY, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING IS FLAT ROOFED AND CLOUD IN STUCCO BOARD AND BATTEN TONGUE AND GROOVE SIDING, AND CEDAR SLATS. AND I STATIONED INCLUDES FIXED UNDIVIDED WINDOWS AND CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH REGULAR SPACING, PROPORTIONS AND ORIENTATION THROUGHOUT THE FRONT FACING GARAGE AND SLIDING GLASS DOORS. THE PRIMARY BUILDING AT 1205, ALTA VISTA IS A TWO-STORY CROSS CABLE DUPLEX WITH HORIZONTAL SIDING, SIX OVER SIX WOOD WINDOWS, ARCH, SIX LIGHT ACCENT WINDOWS, AND A COMPOSITION SINGLE SHINGLE ROOF. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1939 FOR MARY J. SANDERS, ALONG WITH THE REAR GARAGE OR ALONG WITH THE GARAGE AND A REAR DWELLING UNIT THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED LATER. IT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED AS A DUPLEX AND MOSTLY HOUSED TWO FAMILIES IN THE MAIN BUILDING. AND THEN ONE IN THE REAR UNIT RENTERS WERE LARGELY SHORT TERM AND INCLUDED A CATTLE BUYER, A MEAT INSPECTOR, BOOKKEEPER STUDENT AND OIL COMPANY EMPLOYEES. THE PROPERTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE TRAVIS HEIGHTS, FAIRVIEW PARK, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. HOWEVER, STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINED THAT IS NOT MEET TWO CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. UH, SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION APPLICATION UPON COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE AND TO COMMENT ON AND RELEASE ANY CONSTRUCTION PLANS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS [02:40:01] OF STAFF? IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION? ANYONE ON THE PHONE? WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS IN ON THE PHONE. UM, OKAY. WE HAVE A SPEAKER HERE IN OPPOSITION AS WELL. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL GO BY PHONE FIRST. UM, YEAH, SO CLIFTON LAD, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS CLIFTON LAB. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'LL BE BRIEF FAMILIAR. YOU HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS TO DO, AND THIS IS THE LAST TIME YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ONE. UM, THIS, UH, PROPOSAL WOULD REPLACE THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS, THIS IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT COULD BE. UM, AND IT WOULD REPLACE THREE DWELLING UNITS WITH ONE GIANT ONE. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT THAT YOU CAN DO, BUT I DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO NOT APPROVE THIS DEMOLITION PERMIT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. LAD. UH, WE ALSO HAVE POLYPS. UH, IT SEEMS PAULA IS NOT ON THE LINES. SO, UH, THE NEXT SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION IS MELANIE MARTINEZ. HELLO, I'M MELANIE MARTINEZ AND I LIVE ON NEW NING FERRY PARK. AND I'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES ON THIS. COULD YOU SHOW THE RENDERING PLEASE? AND SO JUST SO YOU CAN GET ONE LAST LOOK AT THIS BEFORE, MEANING TO BREAK APART VICIOUSLY. PARDON ME? RENDER MEANING TO BREAK APART VICIOUS. OKAY. IF ONLY, BUT, UM, YEAH, I JUST HAVE TO SAY AGAIN THAT THE DESIGN IS SO AGREGIOUS REALLY BAD FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE TO OUR DISTRICT AND I COULDN'T HELP, BUT THINK OF, UM, HEARING THE SIGNAGE PRESENTATION AND IMAGINING SOME, WHERE WOULD YOU PUT AN ENTRANCE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU WOULD SEE SOMETHING HISTORIC, YOU CAN SEE THINGS LIKE THIS, AND I'M ALSO REALLY OFFENDED THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO PUT IT IN REALITY. IT'S JUST LIKE AN SKETCHUP WORLD. AND MAYBE THEY'RE AFRAID TO SHOW HOW BIG AND OVERPOWERING IT IS IN REALITY. AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THE NAMES, JOSEPH BROTHERS, AND THAT IT JUST DOESN'T BELONG IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN OFFICE IN A HISTORIC HOUSE. SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF IRONIC. AND, UM, THERE'S REALLY COMPARED TO THE LAST CASE, NO DETAIL, NO SENSITIVITY. AND, UH, I THINK IT JUST SETS A REALLY BAD PRECEDENT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THERE WAS A MOMENT WHERE ONE OF YOU, I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON SAID THAT HE WAS OFFENDED AND I COULD SEE INITIATING HISTORIC ZONING BASED ON THE WORKERS, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE MULTIFAMILY UNIT THAT'S THERE AND THEN THE COMMUNITY VALUE OF THAT. AND I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO FOR OTHER SPEAKERS, UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CLOSE PUBLIC, HEARING SOMEBODY SECOND? OKAY. UH, LET'S ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE SAY, AYE, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IT PASSES. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CASE? JEREMIAH IS IF WE TAKE NO ACTION, THEN IT'LL JUST, IT'LL JUST TIMELINE. IT WILL TIME OUT ON AUGUST 21ST. I, I WOULD RATHER LET IT TIME OUT THAN OBTRUSIVE HAVE APPROVED THIS HOUSE, THIS, WHATEVER IT IS. OKAY. ARE WE LETTING IT TIME OUT? I THINK WE'RE LETTING IT TIME OUT. OKAY. UM, MOVING RIGHT ALONG IS 4 0 7 MONROE STREET. [02:45:01] NEVERTHELESS, WHEN IT DOES TIME OUT, THEY STILL NEED TO DO A CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, DOCUMENT TAKE TEACHING PACKAGE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 15, 4 0 7 [15. HR-2022-070860 – 407 E. Monroe St. – Consent Travis Heights – Fairview Park National Register District Council District 9] EAST MONROE STREET. THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH A 1937 GARAGE APARTMENT AND CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING IN ITS PLACE. UH, THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING IS SPLIT LEVEL WITH TWO STORIES PLUS A BASEMENT AND AN ATTIC. IT IS CLOUD IN STUCCO BRICK AND FIBER CEMENT SIDING IT'S COMPOUND GABLED ROOF IS CLAD WITH MATCHING STANDING SEAM METAL AND FENESTRATION IS A REGULAR THROUGHOUT FEATURING A FULLY GLAZED MULTI LITE FRONT DOOR, FRONT FACING GARAGE AND FIXED UNDIVIDED WINDOWS OF VARYING PROPORTIONS. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS A TWO STORY STUCCO GARAGE APARTMENT WITH SCREENED WOOD WINDOWS, TRIANGULAR BRACKET. SO THE OVERHANGING FIRST FLOOR EAVES AND PARTIALLY IN A PARTIALLY GLAZED ENTRY DOOR AND GARAGE DOORS FACING THE PRIMARY STREET FRONTAGE. THE CITY OF AUSTIN HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS ARE BASED ON THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION AND ARE USED TO EVALUATE PROJECTS IN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. THE PROJECT MEETS SOME OF THESE APPLICABLE STANDARDS. THIS BUILDING CONTRIBUTES TO THE TRAVIS HEIGHTS FAIRY PARK NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, UM, AND WENT BEFORE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. UH, HIS FEEDBACK WAS TO INCLUDE DIVIDED LIGHTS AND THE WINDOWS IMPLEMENT DESIGN CHANGES TO REDUCE THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND INCREASED COHESION WITH THE STREETSCAPE AT THE ROOF LINE AND THE GARAGE. THE APPLICANT HAS IMPLEMENTED SOME OF THIS COMMITTEE FEEDBACK. SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT UPON COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE AND COMMENT ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PLANS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? UM, AROUND THE LINE? YES, WE HAVE THE APPLICANTS ON THE PHONE. WE HAVE TWO, UH, APPLICANT TEAM MEMBERS. UH, THE FIRST I HAVE REGISTERED IS EVA CONVENED. I AM HERE. OKAY. SORRY, GO AHEAD. UM, OKAY. UH, SO MY NAME IS EVA AND I SUPPORT THE FOREST SEVEN MINUTES EASTERN ROW. WE'RE FOLLOWING UP IN REGARDS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. WE ATTEND AS YOU KNOW, WE ATTENDED THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, AND WE TOOK THE COMMENTS FROM THAT. WE WERE ENCOURAGED THEN FROM WHAT WE PROVIDED, THEY WERE, IT WAS, WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAD BROUGHT TO THAT COMMITTEE MEETING. UM, AND THEN WE PROVIDED A SUBMITTAL OF HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE IMPLEMENTED CHANGES. UM, SO YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS. OKAY. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO. UH, JUST WHAT, WHATEVER YOUR FEEDBACK IS ON THE DESIGNS, UH, THAT WE HAVE THE NEW UPDATED NEW DESIGNS THAT WE PROVIDED, UM, YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. AND, UM, MY THOUGHT IS TO RETAIN THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC, UH, GARAGE APARTMENT, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT SHIP HAS SAILED ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE TO SPEAK? YEAH, WE ALSO HAVE, OH, I'M PRAKASH, MR. PRAKASH. YES. UM, MY NAME IS , I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND WE, UM, WE ARE HERE AT THE LAST HEARING AND, UH, WE WERE RECOMMENDED TO GO TO THE STORE, UH, TO THE ARCHITECT COMMITTEE. SO WITH OUR ARCHITECTURE, WE TOOK THE CHANGES ARE THE, THE, UM, OBJECTION WE HAVE FROM THE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS OFFICIALLY THE HIGH PAGE, UH, ROOF AND CERTAIN DESIGNS. SO THE, UH, INTERMEDIATE RECOMMENDED, UH, THE ARCHITECT COMMITTEE, US CHANGES, WHICH WE IMPLEMENTED ALL THE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE, BUT THEM AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. THEN HERE WE ARE, WE BROUGHT TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, TO, TO LOOK AT IT AND APPROVE IT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? OKAY. UH, WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION JOINING US BY PHONE CLIFTON LAD, SORRY, TWO SPEAKERS, CLIFTON LAB. AND THEN PAULA COOKMAN LATER, MR. LED. YES. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS CLIFTON LAND. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE APPLICANTS AND, UM, MEETING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THEY FURTHER IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE, [02:50:01] UM, THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, INCLUDING JUST TRYING TO GET IT TO FIT MORE WITH THE EXHIBIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THIS IS STILL OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SORRY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT KEEPING THE, THE HOUSE THAT IS EXISTING, THE GARAGE APARTMENT. I SEE THAT ALL THE TIME I DRIVE BY AND WALK BY IT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN ITS PLACE IS JUST NOT IN CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO LAST SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO KEEP WORKING ON IT AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE. UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE PAULA KOFMAN, ALTHOUGH SHE WAS NOT ON THE LINE EARLIER, AND I'M BEING TOLD SHE IS NOT ON THE LINE EITHER. OKAY. UM, AND MELANIE MARTINEZ, SHE DIDN'T REGISTER TO SPEAK FOR THIS, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK THANK YOU. UH, MELANIE MARTINEZ. AND, UM, I AGREE WITH MR. LAD THAT THE DESIGN ISN'T QUITE THERE AND I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SAVED THE ORIGINAL BECAUSE IT IS RELATED TO TWO OTHER STRUCTURES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET AND NEXT DOOR, AND THEY DIDN'T, THE NEW DESIGN DOESN'T SHOW ANY REAL RELATIONSHIP TO THOSE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ALTHOUGH I DO APPRECIATE THAT THEY MADE SOME CHANGES. I HOPE THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO MEETING AGAIN. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY COULD BRING THE HEIGHT DOWN OR CHANGE SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT QUITE THERE YET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MELON. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK? OKAY. UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CASE? I'LL MOVE TO A LOG. THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO DATE AND CLOSED THE CASE, AND OUR ONLY ACTION IS TO MAKE COMMENTS, BUT I'M MOTION IS TO MAKE TONIGHT OUR FINAL COMMENTS. OKAY. THE MOTION IS TO MAKE HER FINAL COMMENTS. OKAY. UM, DO I HEAR A SECOND? OKAY. A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR MOTION? UH, I AGREE, UM, THAT IT, IT IS TALL AND, UM, WE DO HAVE THE STREET FACING GARAGE, UH, UH, APPLICANTS WORKING WITH SPECIFIC TOPOGRAPHY AND TWO VERY LARGE HERITAGE TREES. UH, AND SO OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEIR PROGRAM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER WAY FOR THEM DIRECTION FOR THEM TO MOVE. UH, THEY'RE MASSING, UH, VEINS OF FENESTRATION. THEY, UH, MANY OF THE ROOF LINE IT A LITTLE SIMPLER, THERE ARE TALLER STRUCTURES AROUND AND IT'S GOING TO BE LARGELY HIDDEN BEHIND A HERITAGE TREE. UM, WE'VE SEEN MUCH WORSE AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ROOM, UH, WITHIN THIS PROGRAM TO MAKE IT MUCH BETTER, FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. IT PASSES. UM, YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO, UH, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE AND THE STAFF WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU, UH, ABOUT THAT. OKAY. MOVING ON 2107, [16. HR-2022-067914 – 2107 Brackenridge St. – Consent Travis Heights – Fairview Park National Register District Council District 9] BRECKENRIDGE ADAM 16 AT 2107. BRECKENRIDGE STREET IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH A CIRCA 1946 HOUSE AND 1940 ACCESSORY BUILDING AND CONSTRUCT A NEW DUPLEX. UM, THE PROPOSED DUPLEX HAS A COMPOUND FLAT AND GABLED ROOF. CLEAN EXTERIOR CLADDING INCLUDES STUCCO DIAGONAL WOOD SIDING, AND STONE FENESTRATION IS IRREGULAR THROUGHOUT AND INCLUDES UNDIVIDED FIXED IN CASEMENT WINDOWS AS WELL AS FULL HEIGHT SLIDING DOORS. THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE A ONE STORY CROSS GABLED HOUSE WITH HORIZONTAL SIDING, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS AND A REAR TWO-STORY GARAGE APARTMENT. CAN WE SEE AN, UH, A DRAWING OF THAT? THE ELEVATION, THE PRIMARY BUILDING AT 2,107 BRACKENRIDGE WAS BUILT IN 1946 IN FRONT OF AN EXISTING GARAGE APARTMENT, UH, WHICH WAS CONVERTED TO A DUPLEX IN 1949. [02:55:02] RESIDENTS INCLUDE RESIDENTS INCLUDED A CLEANER TWO CARPENTERS OR RENTAL PROPERTY MANAGER AND A TAILOR. THE CITY OF AUSTIN HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, ARE USED TO EVALUATE PROJECTS AND NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS. AND THIS PROJECT DOES NOT MEET MOST OF THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS. THE PROPERTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE TRAVIS HEIGHTS, FAIRVIEW PARK, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. HOWEVER, STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINED THAT IT DOES NOT MEET TWO CRITERIA FOR INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC LANDMARK ZONING. UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED, UH, THAT, UH, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK INCLUDED REDUCING THE VISUAL WEIGHT OF THE CENTRAL CABLE TO TWEAK THE FIRST FLOOR FENESTRATION AND, UH, TO MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLE A PORCH TO PROVIDE RENDERINGS AT THE SECOND FLOOR RECESS AND CONSIDER MORE REGULAR FENESTRATION THROUGHOUT AND TO CONSIDER FENCE HEIGHT AND NEIGHBORING HOUSE HEIGHT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UH, APPROVE THE DEMOLITION UPON COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. AS A STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINED THAT IT DOES NOT MEET TWO CRITERIA. AND TO COMMENT ON THE PLANS, ANY QUESTIONS, IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION? NO, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER AND OPPOSITION. OKAY. MELANIE MARTINEZ, COME ON DOWN. HI, I'M MELANIE MARTINEZ AND I'M OPPOSED TO THIS DESIGN. UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THE DEMOLITION AS WELL. AND, UH, IT IS LIKE AN AFFORDABLE PROPERTY FOR RENTERS AND WE'RE LOSING THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT THIS WOULD BE A DUPLEX, BUT THE DESIGN IS SO CONFUSING TO ME AND I JUST CAN'T SEE HOW IT FITS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I HOPE THAT THEY WILL COME TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LONG WAY FROM BEING ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MELANIE. OH, OKAY. SORRY. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS SUSAN ARMSTRONG FISHER. I WON'T, UM, SPEND A LOT OF TIME, BUT WHILE SAD TO GO TO SEE IT GO, I'M NOT OPPOSING THE DEMOLITION, BUT OPPOSING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE MADE ANY REAL CHANGES TO THE PLANS FROM THE LAST MEETING. STAFF CONTINUES TO SAY THE PROJECT DOES NOT MEET MOST APPLICABLE STANDARDS. SO I DO URGE THE COMMISSION TO CONTINUE TO POSTPONE THE DEMOLITION UNTIL THE APPLICANT CAN MODIFY TO FIT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS, HAS THIS JUST BEEN POSTPONE ONE TIME AND IT WENT TO ARCHITECTURAL? YES. THAT IS CORRECT CAB THE DEMO, UH, TIMES OUT IN NOVEMBER AND IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TIMES OUT IN MID SEPTEMBER. OKAY. OKAY. WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. UM, I THOUGHT WE HAD SEEN IT TWICE AT THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE. THEY CAME PRIOR TO GOING TO HLC, SO, AND THEN, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CASE? I KNOW IT'S PAINFUL FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS TO OUR SEPTEMBER 7TH MEETING. I'LL SECOND THAT I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS MUCH DISCUSSION. OKAY. BUT THEY HAVEN'T MADE ANY CHANGES YET. YEAH. THE APP AT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, WE'VE TALKED TWICE AT LENGTH, UH, AND THEY SEEMED RECEPTIVE AND TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE IT WORK BETTER, TO RELATE TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, HOW TO MAKE MORE OF A SINGLE STORY PRESENCE, UH, WHERE THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE A SINGLE, UH, ONE STORY, YOU KNOW, PRIMARY LIVING SPACE. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR A PORCH OR SOME COVER THE SECOND FLOOR. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON UP THERE IN TERMS OF THE CONFIGURATION. IT'S LIKE A RECESS PORCH. THAT'S NOT A PORCH. THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SET THAT BACK AND TO GIVE IT A MORE TRADITIONAL ROOF LINE. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MULTIFAMILY. UH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'VE COME AND SPOKEN TO US TWICE, BUT THERE JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME MINOR STYLISTIC CHANGES THAT WILL MAKE STREET PRESENCE A LOT MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION, [03:00:02] UH, WOULD THIS MOTION INCLUDE AARC OR JUST POSTPONEMENT RECOMMENDATION TODAY? YUP. OKAY. OKAY. THE MOTION, UH, IS TO POSTPONE IT AND INVITE THEM TO THE NEXT MEETING OF THE ARC. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. YEAH. PASSES. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO, UH, DO A COUNT AS TO HOW MANY BUILDINGS WE'VE LOST IN TRAVEL SITES. SINCE IT BECAME A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, I CAN GET THAT NUMBER TO YOU TOMORROW. OKAY. UM, YEAH, IT TAKES SOME LOOKING BACK. UH, IT, IT SHOULD, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE, UH, UH, THEY APPEAR ON EVERY AGENDA THAT WE'VE SINCE THEN. UM, AND, UH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE WHO'VE US TO, UM, STRATEGIZE ABOUT, UH, EDUCATING, UM, BUILDERS AND DESIGNERS IN THE, IN THAT COMMUNITY. AND I'M REMINDED OF THIS BECAUSE, UM, KNOWING THAT THE JOSEPH BROTHERS WERE INVOLVED IN THE ONE PROJECT, UH, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE TONIGHT, I RECALL THAT, UM, THEY BROUGHT, THEY REQUESTED A DEMOLITION FOR, UH, A VERY WONDERFUL CRAFTSMAN HOUSE IN, IN, UM, THE WESTLAND HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE HAD, UH, RECOMMENDED AS INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER. AND, UH, PEOPLE HAD SAID, WELL, THIS IS YOUR DESIGN ISN'T IN KEEPING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEIR COMMENT WAS, WELL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS NOW, UM, BECAUSE OF THESE NEW BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE BUILDING AND OTHERS ARE BUILDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER NOW IS A MAJORITY, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND I THINK THAT, UM, I'M JUST REMINDED OF, UH, EVERYTHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID OVER 15 YEARS TO TRY TO GET THEIR NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION. AND, UH, AND TO SEE IT DWINDLE AWAY, UM, LIKE THIS, THAT MAYBE WE CAN MAKE AN APPEAL, UM, TO CITY COUNCIL TO HELP OUT WITH SOME EDUCATION OR SOME, SOME OTHER KINDS OF OUTREACH, UH, TO TRY TO CONVINCE PEOPLE NOT TO, NOT TO DISMANTLE, UM, THIS NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. UM, MOVING ON. WE HAVE, OKAY, WE GET THAT. I THINK OUR NEXT ITEM [23. PR-2022-077660 – 1400 Garden St. – Discussion Council District 3] IS 1400, UH, GARDEN STREET. YES. CHAIRMAN ITEM 23. UM, THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO REMODEL A CIRCUIT 1893 HOUSE TO EXPAND THE EXISTING WOOD DECK TO THE REAR, MODIFY THE FRONT PORCH, MODIFY THE WINDOW OPENINGS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT REPLACED WINDOWS THROUGHOUT AND REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING. AND HOW HOW'S IT? 1400 GARDEN STREET IS A SINGLE STORY. EL PLAN, NATIONAL FOLK STYLE WITH A CROSS GABLE METAL ROOF AND METAL ROOF AND WOOD SIDING. THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE NOT ORIGINAL COLUMBUS W MORE BUILT THIS HOUSE IN THE EARLY 1890S. HE LIVED THERE FOR ROUGHLY 20 YEARS WHILE HE WORKED AS A CARPENTER AND A CONTRACTOR UTILIZING HIS HOME IS HIS OFFICE. HE SERVED AS A CITY ALDERMAN DURING HIS TIME IN THE HOME AND WAS A PROLIFIC BUILDER LANDING CONTRACTS TO BUILD AT THE TRAVIS COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, THE CITY'S WATER SETTLING BASIN, UH, SOUTHWESTERN TELEGRAPH AND TELEPHONE EXCHANGE BUILDING, AND THE CONFEDERATE WOMEN'S HOME AMONG OTHERS. HE SERVED AS PRESIDENT OF AUSTIN'S BUILDERS EXCHANGE GROUP WHO HOSTED CONTRACTOR CONVENTIONS AND ORGANIZING EVENTS OR, UH, LOCAL PROFESSIONALS BETWEEN 1912 AND 1920. THE HOUSE WAS OCCUPIED BY VARIOUS TRADESMEN, INCLUDING A CONTRACTOR, A MILLER AND A BLACKSMITH FROM 1927 TO 1935, JAMES AND AZARA SYLVESTER LIVED IN THE HOUSE AFTER JAMES SILVESTER PASSED AWAY IN THE EARLY 1930S. HIS WIFE CONTINUED TO LIVE THERE UNTIL 1941 WHEN IT WAS RENTED BRIEFLY BEFORE BEING BOUGHT BY PEDRO AND ESTHER TOMAYO IT'S. MY OLD FAMILY OWNED THE HOUSE FROM 1947 TO 1952, AND THEN STERLING AND ULA BORDERS. AND IT FROM 1955 TO 1957, UM, THE CITY OF AUSTIN HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, ARE USED TO EVALUATE PROJECTS AT POTENTIAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS. UM, AND THE PROPOSED PROJECT DOES NOT MEET MOST OF THE APPLICABLE [03:05:01] DESIGN STANDARDS. THE 2016, HE STOPPED IN SURVEY RECOMMENDS THIS PROPERTY IS CONTRIBUTING TO A POTENTIAL LOCAL AND NATIONAL REGISTER. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINED ADDITIONALLY, THAT IT MAY MEET TWO CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. THE BUILDING IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF NATIONAL FOLK ARCHITECTURE AND IS ASSOCIATED WITH ALDERMAN AND CONTRACTOR COLUMBUS W BOARD OF THE AUSTIN BUILDERS EXCHANGE, UH, SERVING AS HIS HOME AND BUSINESS STAFF RECOMMENDS CONSIDERATION OF HISTORIC ZONING. HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COMMISSION DECIDE AGAINST INITIATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION ENCOURAGED THE APPLICANT TO RETAIN THE HOUSE'S MAIN ELEVATION AS IS THEN RELEASE THE PERMIT UPON COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS IS THE APPLICANT HERE. WE HAVE TWO, UH, APPLICANT TEAMMATES ON THE LINE. UH, THE FIRST IS KATIE STEVENS. MS. STEVENS, ARE YOU THERE? UM, I AM SHANE I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. I'M NOT SURE IF MAYBE OUR PHONE NUMBERS GOT SWITCHED UP. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO IF WE COULD LOOK AT, UH, THE FIRST PAGE OF THE PDF PRESENTATION THAT WE SENT OVER, UM, I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT EFFECTIVELY. WE WEREN'T AWARE THAT THE PROJECT WAS DESIGNATED OR, OR CON UH, YOU KNOW, UP FOR CONSIDERATION FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UM, AND AT THE ARCHITECT, UH, WE WERE TASKED WITH JUST KIND OF, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, MODERNIZING THE PROJECT, UM, A BIT AND, AND DOING SOME NEEDED REPAIRS WHILE WE DID THAT WHILE TRYING TO KEEP IN TUNE WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXISTING SHAPE AND STYLE OF THE HOUSE. SO ON THE TOP LEFT, UM, WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THE ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, WHICH REFLECTS THE IMAGES THAT WERE SHOWN JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO ON THE BOTTOM LEFT WAS OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, UM, IN WHICH WE MADE BEFORE WE WERE AWARE THAT THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR THE HOUSE, OR JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, ANY AWARENESS OF THAT ISSUE WHATSOEVER. UM, AND AFTER REVIEWING COMMENTS THAT WERE QUICKLY MADE BY THE COMMISSION LAST MONTH, UM, BEFORE IT WAS DELAYED, WE WORKED WITH THE OWNERS TO, UH, TO, TO REVISE OUR PROPOSAL, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN THE TOP, RIGHT. UM, IMAGE. REALLY, THE ONLY THING THAT IS CHANGING ON THIS IMAGE IS WE ARE STILL PAYING IT TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE WINDOWS ARE NOT ORIGINAL ON THE HOUSE. UM, AND THEY ARE VERY ENERGY INEFFICIENT. SO THE, THE, THE MAIN PROPOSAL HERE IS REPLACED THE WINDOWS, UM, THE WINDOWS, UM, TO THE LEFT OF THE DOOR. AND THE WINDOW BEHIND ARE THE SIMILAR SIZE WE ARE PROPOSING TO IN SLIGHTLY ENLARGE THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT GABLED FACE OF THE HOUSE, UH, THAT IS THE PRIMARY OR MASTER BEDROOM. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY MAJOR CHANGE. AND WE'VE INCLUDED SOME PHOTOS ON THE, UH, ON THE THIRD PAGE IS SHOW THEM PRETTY SOLID EVIDENCE THAT THE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE WERE NOT EVEN THE ORIGINAL SIZE, UM, WE'LL CAN ALSO SEE ON THE THIRD PAGE, SOME VERY SERIOUS ROTTING, UM, AND, UM, OF THE SIDING AND SOME EXAMPLE OF HOW SO EXCITING HAS BEEN REPLACED TO MATCH THE EXISTING. UM, SO THE MAIN PROPOSAL IS TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS, UH, WITH SLIGHTLY LARGER WINDOWS IN THAT ONE LOCATION AND TO REPAIR OR REPLACE THE SIDING AS NEEDED TO MATCH THE EXISTING PAINT WHITE, UM, UH, PRETTY MINIMAL PROCEDURE WE ARE SHOWING ON THE SECOND PAGE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, SORRY TO JUMP AROUND. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING ALSO, UM, WITH OUR TOP RIGHT ELEVATION THAT WE ADD A WINDOW WHERE THERE'S ONLY ONE WINDOW NOW, UM, IN KEEPING IN LINE WITH THE SIMILAR PROPORTIONS OF THE, UH, OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. UM, BUT IT IS ADDING A WINDOW AND, AND WE HAVE SCALED BACK FROM THE BOTTOM LEFT, UH, PROPOSAL WHERE WE HAD THIS KIND OF TRIPLE MORE MODERN WINDOWS PACKAGE. UM, SO IN GENERAL, UM, WE'RE KEEPING THE PORCH AS IS REPAIR AS NECESSARY. UM, REPLACING WINDOWS WITH WHAT I VIEW AS ARCHITECT IS, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE [03:10:01] IN SCALE SIZE AND KIND OF DIVIDED LIGHT, UH, PROPORTIONS, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, REPLACING THE SIDING TO MATCH THE EXISTING, UH, WOULD PROFILE WOOD SIDING, NOT HARDY WOULD PROFILE SIDING AND PAPER WHITE MATCHES IF THE HOUSE, UH, THAT'S ALL, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, THE, THE EXISTING PORCH POSTS ON THE HOUSE ARE THESE SHAFFORD POSTS. THEY ARE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEIR TURNS. SO THEY HAVE, THEY DO HAVE SOME DETAILING, YOU KNOW, SOME TURN KIND OF, UH, TRADITIONAL STYLING ON THE, ON THE, ON THE POSTS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE OWNER IS OKAY WITH KEEPING THAT I PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PAINTED AND PAINTED, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF TIMES, OR, YOU KNOW, TENS OF TIMES. AND SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO TELL EXACTLY THE CONDITION OF THE WOOD UNTIL WE GET IN THERE. UM, BUT I THINK THE OWNER WOULD BE OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TO REPLACE A POST, YOU KNOW, BRING IN A POST DOWN AND TRYING TO MATCH THAT TERM, UM, AS BEST WE CAN TO KEEP THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THAT LOOK. YEAH. THANK YOU. I, I JUST COULDN'T TELL, UH, REAL WELL FROM THE PHOTOGRAPH. UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN. YEAH, SURE. MYERS HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER HINDSIGHT THAT SECOND. YEAH. THE SECOND ELEVATION THAT YOU HAD UP, UH, IS THAT ACCESSING A BEDROOM ALONG THE BACK OUT THE SIDE THERE, IT HAS THAT INCREASE. I KNOW YOU PUT IT INTO WINDOWS, BUT I ALSO NOTICED THEY'RE BIGGER. IS THAT A BEDROOM? AND ARE YOU INCREASING ALSO IN ORDER TO HAVE A BEDROOM? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY PROBABLY MEET THIS CRITERIA, COMMISSIONER HOMESTEADS OUT THERE. UM, WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING THE EXISTING SURE. ON THE EXISTING, YOU HAVE A SMALL WINDOW, YOU HAVE REPLACED THEM WITH BIGGER. IS THAT A BEDROOM AND ARE YOU DOING THAT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE EGRESS? UM, NO. THE, THE, THE, UH, THIS IS YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE NAVASOTA ELEVATION, UM, WHERE WE HAVE ONE SMALLER NON-ORIGINAL WINDOW THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO REPLACE WITH TWO LARGER WINDOWS. UM, THOSE WINDOWS, UH, THERE ARE TWO WINDOWS IN THAT ROOM, UM, THAT FACE GARDEN STREET THAT THEORETICALLY, OR, YOU KNOW, SHOULD PROVIDE EGRESS. SO IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO ADD THOSE TWO NEW WINDOWS FOR EGRESS. OKAY. YOU'RE DOING THAT TO LET IN MORE LIGHT THAN, OKAY. THAT'D BE EXACTLY RIGHT. IT'S A VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THIS PORTION OF AUSTIN IS, UM, FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH BEAUTIFUL TREE COVER. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THIS LOT IS ONE OF THOSE LOTS IN THIS ROOM IS PRETTY, UH, PRETTY DARK. THE TWO WINDOWS FACING GARDEN STREET ARE UNDER THE PORCH AND, UH, THE OWNERS HOPING TO BRING IN MORE LIGHT TO THIS BEDROOM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK? OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROCHE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER, ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE SAY, AYE, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IT PASSED THOSE. UM, WE DIDN'T, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF HISTORIC ZONING. UM, IT, IS THAT STILL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THEM WHEN THEY WERE ON THE PHONE. UM, LET'S DO YOU CAN STILL ASK QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT, SIR? ARE YOU STILL ON THE PHONE? YES, MA'AM. WOULD YOU OR YOUR, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, YOUR CLIENT BE AMENABLE TO HISTORIC ZONING? I THINK THE OWNER WOULD PREFER, UM, TO NOT HAVE HISTORIC ZONING AND TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE DESIGN AND THE COMMISSIONS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE, BUT WOULD PREFER TO NOT BE SEWN HISTORIC. ALL RIGHT. UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CASE? I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE DESIGN HAS PRESENTED. [03:15:03] OKAY. IT'S UH, THE MOTION IS MADE BY COMMISSIONER COOK AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TALLAGHT TO ACCEPT THE DESIGN AS PRESENTED, UH, ANY DISCUSSION. I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAD SOMEWHAT MIXED FEELINGS. IT WAS THE PATCHED WINDOW ON A GARDEN STREET THAT, UM, SHOWED THAT THE WINDOWS OPENINGS HAVE BEEN CHANGED. AND SO THERE'S INTEGRITY ISSUES TO BEGIN WITH. I THINK THAT SOME OF THE CHANGES BEING MADE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. SOME ARE NOT, UH, BUT BY AND LARGE IT'S PARTICULARLY CHANGES TO THE PORCH AND CHANGES TO THE WINDOW PATTERNS ARE, ARE MUCH IMPROVED. AND IF SOMEONE WANTED TO RESTORE THIS IN THE FUTURE, UH, THERE WOULDN'T BE MUCH LEFT TO DO, AND THE WINDOWS ARE ALL REPLACED AND NO ORIGINAL WINDOWS. SO THE IMPACT IS A LITTLE BIT OF SIDING THAT COULD BE PATCHED LATER IF SOMEONE WANTED TO TRY TO FIND ORIGINAL PHOTOS AND CONFIRM THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION. SO, UH, I THINK IT'D BE AS RESTORABLE AFTER THIS WORK IS DONE AS BEFORE. AND I THINK IT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE, TO THE AREA, UH, MUCH BETTER IN ITS NEW STATE THAN IT DOES NOW. I AGREE. I THINK THE PORCH POSTS MIGHT BE REPLACEMENTS. UM, BUT, UH, I'M, I'M FINE WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ON THAT. UM, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY ON ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS. OKAY. THAT'S THE MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, I'M SORRY, A SECOND BITE. EXCUSE ME. UM, ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE DESIGN AS PRESENTED, PLEASE SAY, AYE, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IT PASSES. OKAY. NEXT [25. PR-2022-075394 – 3107 Speedway – Discussion Council District 9] WE HAVE 31 0 7 SPEEDWAY. WELL, ALL RIGHT. ITEM 25 31 0 7 SPEEDWAY. THIS WAS AN APPLICATION TO PARTIALLY DEMOLISH AND CONSTRUCT ALTERATIONS TO A CIRCUIT 1965 APARTMENT BUILDING, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE 2020 NORTH CENTRAL AUSTIN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY. UM, AS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING TO A POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED WITHOUT A PERMIT. UM, THIS IS A THREE STORY STONE BENEATH OUR APARTMENT BUILDING WITH OPEN BREEZEWAYS AND EXTERIOR STAIRCASES IT'S DBS AND SHILOH PIT STREET REFLECT RANCH STYLE INFLUENCES. UH, EVEN THOUGH THE RANCH STYLE IS MORE CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH DETACHED TOWNS, UH, THE BUILDING NO LONGER RETAIN SUFFICIENT INTEGRITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO A POTENTIAL DISTRICT AS RECOMMENDED BY THE 2020 SURVEY. SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO TAKE NO ACTION ON THE PENDING PARTIAL DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION, UM, DECIDING WAS REPLACED. UH, ALL WINDOWS WERE REPLACED. UM, DOORS WERE REPLACED. SOME OF THE WINDOWS APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN, UH, BLACKED UP WITH INSTALLATION PER COMMUNICATION. UM, AND SOME OTHER CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE, UM, WHILE THE BUILDING WAS OCCUPIED. UM, THE POLICE HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT, UH, AMONG OTHER THINGS WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO, UM, UH, TO PUNISH THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THAT'S NOT EXACTLY IN OUR PURVIEW. HOWEVER, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT HE'S DONE. DO YOU HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OF WHAT, WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE NOW THAT YOU CAN SHOW THE COMMISSION? UH, SINCE THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE, EITHER ON A GOOGLE STREET VIEW, ACTUALLY, IF YOU WILL, GOOGLE STREET FROM JULY OF 2022, THAT WAS RECENTLY COMPLETED, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT WAS CAUGHT ON TAPE. SO, UM, UH, IT IT'S COMPLETELY ALTERED. UM, IT'S NO LONGER REALLY. UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS? OKAY. DO, DO WE HAVE AT SOMEONE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, COME ON DOWN. THERE ARE OTHERS THAT MOST PEOPLE UP, TWO JARS TRYING TO PAY THEIR RENT. YOU HAVE THE PHOTOGRAPH NOW AND SEE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STONE. UH, SO THEY REMOVED IT AND PUT UP THIS HIDEOUS SETTING THE SAME AS THEY PUT ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO, UM, [03:20:01] YEAH. AND THEY'VE OBLITERATED THE TOP MOST WINDOWS, WHICH ARE TRAVELED SOTO WINDOWS, I GUESS TOOK ME A WHILE TO FIGURE OUT THE SHAPE THERE. UM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND, UM, JACKIE DOYLE. UM, SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT WITHIN HOW MANY MINUTES DO I GET? OKAY. 20 MINUTES. OKAY. UM, WELL THIS DEVELOPER AMIR COMMENTARY, APPARENTLY CONTEMPTUOUS OF THE COMMUNITIES IN CITIES, AUTHORITY CLEARLY VIEWS THE PROCESS OF SECURING A PERMIT AS BUREAUCRATIC AND CONVENIENCE HAS TENANTS, A VERY PAINFULLY AND, UM, EXPERIENCE THE DEMOLITION CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES HAVE CREATED DANGEROUS CONDITIONS CAUSING EXTREME UNBEARABLE NOISE AT THIS OCCUPIED PROPERTY WHERE HE'S SHOWN DISDAIN FOR THE TENANTS AND EAGERNESS TO DESTROY THE UNIQUE DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS BUILDING. AS I SENT YOU A LONGER TESTIMONY ON THIS TOPIC, I'LL JUST GIVE THE BROAD CONTEXT BEFORE DETAILING SPECIFIC ASPECTS OF THIS CASE IN JUDE, THE CODE INSPECTOR CAME TO THE PROPERTY AFTER RECEIVING NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS BASED ON HIS OBSERVATIONS. HE SENT A CERTIFIED LETTER, UM, TO THE LLC NAME AND PO BOX ADDRESS ON FILE FYI. THE HUMAN NAME OF THE OWNER DEVELOPER LANDLORD IS EMMY OR COMMENTARY CODE INSPECTOR ALSO SPOKE DIRECTLY WITH THE MAYOR'S REPRESENTATIVE. SO LATE TELLING HER THE WORK MUST STOP. AT ONE POINT, SHE DECEITFULLY ATTEMPTED TO PASS OFF AN OLD PERMIT AS CURRENT. THIS UNNECESSARY WORK DID NOT INVOLVE ANY REPAIRS. IT DID NOT REPRESENT IMPROVEMENT. IN FACT, THE CONSTRUCTION AND RESULTING STRUCTURE HAVE MADE THE PROPERTY LESS LIVABLE AND MORE DANGEROUS FOR EVERYONE SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING UNIQUE FEATURES, CONTRARY TO HIS OWN STATED PLAN. HE HAS NOT RETAINED ALL WINDOWS INCREDIBLY. WHEN THE WORKERS WERE HAMMERING THE SIDING ONTO THE BUILDING, THEY ACTUALLY BROKE THE TOP MOST TRAPEZOIDAL WINDOWS IF FEATURE OF THE UPPER FLOOR APARTMENTS, IN ONE CASE SHATTERING THE WINDOW INTO A TENANT'S APARTMENT, WHICH THE TENANT WITNESSED AS HE WAS INSIDE AT THE TIME IN MY APARTMENT, I WITNESSED WHEN THE HAMMERING CAUSED THE TRAPEZOIDAL WINDOW TO CRACK, AT WHICH TIME THE WORKERS TOOK IT OUT AND HAMMERED SIDING OVER THE OPENING, WHICH IS HOW IT LOOKS NOW, WHICH WAS A PHOTO I GAVE YOU. WHEN THE ARCHITECTS INCLUDED THESE UNIQUE WINDOWS IN THE DESIGN, THEY DOUBTLESS CONSIDER THE DESIRABILITY OF ADDITIONAL LIGHT. MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, WHO SAID SHE GOT BEAUTIFUL LIGHT IN HER APARTMENT AT ABOUT 4:00 PM THROUGH THAT WINDOW NOW GETS NO DIRECT SUNLIGHT AT ALL. SINCE THEY BOARDED OVER HER WEST FACING TRAPEZOIDAL WINDOW, LEAVING HER WITH ONLY NORTH FACING WINDOWS SHIELDED BY DEEP EAVES. THESE APARTMENTS HAVE HIGH SLIPPING CEILINGS, WHICH ARE REALLY JUST THE UNDERSIDE OF THE ROOF AS THERE IS NO PROPER CEILING. AND THE SEALS OF THE TRAPEZOIDAL WINDOWS ARE EIGHT AND A HALF FEET OFF OF THE FLOOR. AFTER THE WINDOWS WERE CARELESSLY BROKEN. THE DEVELOPER INITIALLY, AND ABSURDLY SUGGESTED THEY WOULD BE TURNED INTO IMPOSSIBLE TO REACH SHELVES. SOON AFTER HE DECIDED THEY SHOULD BE STUFFED WITH INSTALLATION AND FINISHED OVER YESTERDAY, WORKERS ENTERED TO TENANTS DEPARTMENTS TO DO THIS WHILE THEY WERE AWAY. THE TENANTS WOULD HAVE BEEN UNAWARE OF THE INTRUSION, BUT FOR THEIR HAVING INSTALLED SECURITY CAMERAS IN THEIR APARTMENTS, FOLLOWING THE EARLIER CONSTRUCTION TO BICYCLES, IN ONE CASE WORKERS ACTUALLY COVERED THE CAMERAS AFTER ENTERING HER APARTMENT SO THAT SHE COULD NOT SEE HAVING LEFT THIS FOR WEEKS. IT IS DESPICABLE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS NOW HASTENING TO FINISH OUT THE WORK FROM THE INSIDE OF THE DAY BEFORE THE HEARING, THE CONTRACTOR HAS NOT GAINED ACCESS TO MY APARTMENT YET HE SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO COMPLETE THE DESTRUCTION OF THIS WINDOW OR ANY OTHERS THAT REMAIN JUST BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER THINKS THE HANDLER BUILT HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSIONS ASSESSMENTS ARE IRRELEVANT. I DO NOT WANT THIS WINDOW DESTROYED ALL OF THESE TRAPEZOIDAL WINDOWS SHOULD INSTEAD BE RESTORED CONCERNING THE MAIN OPENABLE WINDOWS BEFORE. IS THAT MY FINISHED? SO FINISH IT? UH, WELL, HE, THEY TOOK OUT THE MAIN WINDOWS, REPLACED THEM, ALSO TOOK OUT THE SOLAR SCREENS, WHICH GAVE US SOME PRIVACY. SO NOW WE HAVE TO COVER THOSE WINDOWS AS WELL, IF WE WANT PRIVACY. AND IF WE WANT TO BLOCK OUT THE HEAT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU USE BLACKOUT CURTAINS FOR NOT SOLAR WINDOWS, UH, NOT SOLAR SCREENS. UM, IN ANY CASE, I WOULD URGE YOU TO TAKE WHATEVER ACTION YOU CAN TO HAVE HIM REMEDY THESE FAULTS. AND I HOPE THAT, UM, YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT, UH, HE THOUGHT DISCIPLINE FOR THE CITY ON THE COMMISSION AND HIS HASTE TO MAKE A KILLING IN THIS VERY TIGHT HOUSING MARKET, TO WHICH HE HAS CONTRIBUTED ZERO NEW UNITS. WELL RAISING RENT ALMOST 45%. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER HAS CAROLYN, HAS THE, HAS THE PRESERVATION OFFICE, UH, WEIGHED IN ON THIS? ARE YOU TALKING TO THE, UM, PERMITS OR CODE ENFORCEMENT IS AWARE OF THE ISSUE THEY'VE BEEN CONTACTED MULTIPLE TIMES, UM, BEEN, BEEN MADE AWARE BY OUR OFFICE, BUT ALSO THE TENANTS OF THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S ALL THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE CAN DO AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO YEAH. CODE HAS BEEN OUT AND TOLD THEM MULTIPLE TIMES TO STOP WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY JUST RESUME THEIR WORK. THEY HAVE NO REGARD FOR LAW. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, [03:25:02] IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE SAY, AYE. UH, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. UM, BASICALLY OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO TAKE NO ACTION ON THE PENDING PARTIAL DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION. AND, UM, I PUT IT TO THE COMMISSION. UH, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION, UM, IS KNOWING WHAT THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OR MOST, MOST LUCKY ADDRESSED WITH OTHER AREAS, BUT CERTAINLY THEY'RE RUNNING ROUGH SHOT OVER THE HISTORIC, JUST AS MUCH AS IT IS ANYBODY, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK WE WERE A VERY BIG DOG IN THIS HUNT AND WE CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION TO HELP THEM. OKAY. UM, DO WE NEED TO MAKE, TAKE A MOTION OF VOTE? NOT TO TAKE ANY ACTION OR JUST LET IT DROP? WE DID NOT HAVE THE LAST ONE, SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE OUR MODE. OKAY. TAKING NO ACTION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS. I MEAN, YEAH. UH, BASICALLY AFTER THE 75 DAYS, UH, TIME'S OUT FROM THIS LIKE 75 DAYS FROM TODAY, IT WILL BE RELEASED WITH NO ACTION FROM THOSE DIRECTLY MORE COMMISSIONS, BUT WE DON'T THE COMMISSION DOESN'T, ISN'T ON RECORD AS HAVING ISSUED OR APPROVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THEIR WORK. THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. AND AS I RECALL, IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY PROCEEDING WITHOUT THE PROPER PERMIT, THEN THAT WOULD BE A CAUSE FOR A RED TAG. IF THEY VIOLATE A RED TAG AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAN US, BUT I THINK WE CERTAINLY DO OUR PART BY NOT APPROVING AND ON MOVING [26. PR-2022-064526 – 1514 Newton St. – ConsentCouncil District 9] ON TO ITEM 26, 15, 14 NEWTON STREET. THANK YOU, MS. DOYLE, 1514 NEWTON STREET. THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE CIRCUIT 1930 HOUSE. UH, IT'S ONE STORY CROSS GABLED WITH A PARTIAL WIDTH SHED ROOF PORCH SUPPORTED BY TURNED POSTS. IT'S WINDOWS ARE COVERED WITH DECORATIVE MULTI LIGHT SCREENS AND IT'S CLOUD ON BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING WITH DECORATIVE TRIM AT THE GABLE END 15, 14 NEWTON STREET WAS BUILT AROUND 1916 BY CLAUDE LRA, AN EMPLOYEE OF AUSTIN WATER, POWER AND LIGHT. IT WAS SOLD BRIEFLY TO THE FRONT AND FAMILY. HE OCCUPIED IT DURING THE 1920S BY 1930, IT WAS OWNED BY CECIL SEYMOUR DISTRIBUTION COMPANY OWNER IN CIRCULATION MANAGER OF THE AUSTIN AMERICAN STATESMAN. IT WAS THEN RENTED LONG-TERM TO LEO F AND RENA MOORE. LEO F MOORE WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE TIPS ENGINE WORKS FOUNDRY FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AND THEN MORE SON AT LEO F MOORE JR. LIVED WITH, LIVED IN THE HOUSE WITH THEM AS WELL AS THEIR DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW DOROTHY AND MILES PROVATO WHO ALSO RENTED SPACE IN THE HOUSE. THEY LIVED AT 15, 14 NEWTON UNTIL AT LEAST 1969, THE 2015 BOLDEN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY LIST. THE PROPERTY IS CONTRIBUTING TO A POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. HOWEVER, STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINED THAT IT DOES NOT MEET TWO CRITERIA REQUIRED TO DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY AS AN INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC LANDMARK. THEREFORE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO ENCOURAGE ADAPTIVE REUSE AND THEN RELOCATION OVER DEMOLITION, BUT TO RELEASE THE PERMIT UPON COMPLETION OF A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK, UH, IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? WE HAVE THE APPLICANT COURTNEY GAIL ON THE LINE. OKAY. MS. GILL. HI. HI THERE. UM, YES. SO, UH, AS, AS IT WAS MENTIONED, IT, WE NOTICED THAT THIS HOUSE IS NOT WITHIN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT ZONING. IT SIMPLY, UM, FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, UM, IT WAS BUILT OVER 45 YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE NEEDED TO PRESENT DEMOLITION TO THE COMMISSION, BUT WE ARE IN FAVOR OF DEMOLITION. OKAY. UM, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? HE WAS 106 YEARS AGO. IT WAS FILLED, RIGHT? UH, ACCORDING TO THE STAFF, I KNOW THAT I WAS JUST TOLD THAT IT WAS OVER THAT [03:30:01] PERIOD OF TIME. YOU SAID IT WAS BUILT 45 YEARS AGO. THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT WAS BUILT A HUNDRED, SIX YEARS. SHE WAS TOLD THAT ALL BUILDINGS OVER 45 YEARS OF AGE ARE REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC ABIDE. THE HISTORIC REVIEW. YES, I MISSED . YEP. YES. I THINK THAT'S IT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT SHE MEANT. UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK IN THIS APPLICATION? NO, IT'S JUST ME. THAT'S THE COURTNEY GILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT'S PULLED FOR DISCUSSION AND, UH, COM THIS IS YOUR MOMENT. OH, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO ME? NO, WE'RE SPEAKING SPANISH. OH, SORRY. WE HAVE, WE HAVE A SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION NOW. YEAH. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. SUSAN ARMSTRONG FISHER, UM, THOUGH NOT ONE YET. BOLDEN CREEK HAS EXPLORED BECOMING A NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. IN THE PAST. I WAS A RESIDENT OF BOLDEN CREEK BEFORE I WAS TRAVIS HEIGHTS. THIS PROPERTY IS ONLY THREE STREETS AWAY FROM TRAVIS HEIGHTS, NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS CONTRIBUTING. IT APPEARS TO HAVE HIGH INTEGRITY STAFF SAYS MODERATE, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE AN EXCELLENT, AN EXCELLENT SHAPE. IT IS A FULL-SIZED LOT WITH AMPLE ROOM FOR A GOOD SIZE ADDITION OR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, NO CON NEW CONSTRUCTION PLANS APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME EXPLORATION OF WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH THIS PROPERTY BEFORE A DEMOLITION PERMIT IS SUBMITTED OR APPROVED. SO I ASKED THE COMMISSION TO POSTPONE THIS DEMOLITION APPLICATION TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT ADEQUATE TIME TO EVALUATE THOSE OPTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE SHE, OKAY. UM, THE MS. GILL, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT. UM, YES, WE, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, GATHERING OUR, UM, OUR DOCUMENTS TO SUBMIT FOR WHAT WE PROPOSE TO BUILD THERE. UM, WE PROPOSE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. I MEAN, EVEN ACROSS THE STREET, THERE IS, UM, UH, UH, UH, OF, UH, RATHER LARGE. IT'S NOT EVEN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD. IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE POSSIBLY A DUPLEX, UM, OR IT'S DEFINITELY NEW CONSTRUCTION JUST ACROSS THE STREET AND, AND IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS AROUND, UM, THAT PARTICULAR AREA ARE A LOT OF HOMES THAT WERE DEMOLISHED AND, UM, REBUILT, UH, TO LOOK KIND OF IN THE CURRENT STYLE. SO, UM, YEAH, THE HOUSE THAT WE PROPOSED TO BUILD WOULD, UM, BE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT AND IT WOULD BE AROUND, I, I THINK IT WAS, UH, I COULD BE MISSED, UH, AROUND 2,400 SQUARE FEET. UM, IT WOULD JUST COST SO MUCH MONEY TO GO IN AND REMODEL THE CURRENT HOME OR, UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AS EASY AS WHAT THE OPPOSITION IS SAYING TO PUT AN ADU. THERE'S SOME TREES THAT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD GET, UH, PERMISSION TO, UH, TO, UH, TO, TO TEAR DOWN OR TO TAKE DOWN. AND BECAUSE OF THOSE THAT WE CAN'T JUST GO PUT ANOTHER ADU IN THE BACK OR ADD. AND, UM, I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY SITUATION IN PUTTING IN A NEW AND AN EIGHT IN A B UNIT. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE TO DO ON THIS LOT. THANK YOU. UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER LAROCHE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER COOK, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE SAY, AYE. UM, IT PASSES. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CASE? I'M GOING TO MOVE TO RELEASE A DEMOLITION PERMIT PENDING A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. [03:35:03] DO I HEAR A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. UH, WAIT, I WANTED TO DISCUSS IT. I PULLED THIS ITEM. THE REASON I PULLED IT, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO BLOCKS FURTHER DOWN THE STREET, WHICH IS WHERE I TAUGHT. I TALKED TO STAFF TODAY ABOUT ST. ANNIE AME, UH, IS ON ONE CORNER, GOODWILL BAPTIST CHURCHES ON THE OTHER, AND THE WILLIE WELL'S HOUSE HOUSES ON THE, UM, IS ON, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK. AND I, I WANTED TO AT LEAST DISCUSS THIS HOUSE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THAT BLOCK. I WAS WRONG, BUT THE REASON I WANTED TO DISCUSS THE HOUSE IS BECAUSE, UH, THESE ARE KIND OF THE LAST REMNANTS OF HISTORIC AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY ALONG NEWTON STREET, UM, THAT STILL REPRESENTED BY ST. ANNIE AME AND GOODWILL BAPTIST IN THE WILLIE WALLS HOUSE. AND, UH, AND AS THE APPLICANT STATED, PEOPLE HAVE TORN DOWN A LOT OF THESE HOUSES AND, UH, ARE BUILDING MODERN HOUSES. AND THAT, THAT HISTORIC COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH DISPERSED TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE AREA DON'T EVEN KNOW THE HISTORY OF IT. IT WAS AN AREA THAT WAS, UM, DEVELOPED FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS. IT WAS, UH, AFRICAN AFRICAN-AMERICAN SUBDIVISION, UH, ALONG NEWTON STREET THERE. AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO GO DOWN WITHOUT SOME CONSIDERATION. UM, AND TO ASK, UH, THERE WAS SOMEONE WROTE, UM, A VERY POIGNANT LETTER ABOUT THE LOSS OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC IN THIS STREET. AND, UM, I WANTED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON IT. UM, SO, AND I, UM, I THINK DEVELOPERS ARE APPROACHING THE CONGREGATIONS OF ST. ANNIE AME AND GOODWILL BAPTIST. AND IT MAY BE THAT THOSE CHURCHES ARE NOT LONG FOR THIS WORLD. AND, UM, THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE A FEW SURVIVING REMNANTS, LIKE THE WILLIE WALLS HOUSE AND THE STANLEY HOUSE THAT ARE INDIVIDUAL LANDMARKS. UM, AND THIS WAS, THIS WAS A FREEDMAN'S COMMUNITY, NOT UNLIKE CLARKSVILLE, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT VERY WELL KNOWN BECAUSE IT WAS SO FAR OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, UH, WHEN IT, WHEN IT DEVELOPED IN THE 19TH CENTURY AND EARLY 20TH. SO, UM, I JUST, I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION TO RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, UM, WITH INCLUDING A HISTORIC NARRATIVE FOR ARCHIVING AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, ANY OPPOSED? UM, I'M GONNA POSE THAT. UH, WE HAVE THREE OPPOSED COMMISSIONERS, UH, FELONS SUELA, UM, COMMISSIONER HARMONY. I'M SORRY. I FORGET. GROGAN COMMISSIONER GROGAN AGAIN, COMMISSIONER GREG AND, AND COMMISSIONER MYERS, UH, GOING DOWN FOR THE COUNT HERE. UM, THEN WE HAVE [28. PR-2022-096688 – 2201 E. 16th St. – Consent Council District 1] 2201 EAST 16TH STREET, AND WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM AFTER THAT. IT'S POSSIBLE. THAT WILL, OH, WE HAVE 15 MINUTES. OKAY. I JINXED IT. I DID. OKAY. STAFF, UH, 2201 EAST 16TH STREET. THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH A CIRCUIT 1939 HOUSE. UH, IT'S A ONE-STORY SYMMETRICAL PLAN COTTAGE WITH HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING AND A SIDE GABLED ROOF. IT'S SIMPLE, STUPID SHELTER BY A CENTRAL GABLE WITH DEEP EAVES AND TRIANGULAR BRACKETS, UM, AND REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1939. IT BEGAN AS A RENTAL PROPERTY FOR NELSON AND ALFREDA WILLIAMS. NELSON WILLIAMS WORKED AS A PORTER. WELL, ALFREDA WILLIAMS STARTED HER OWN BUSINESS AT 1700 AND A HALF EAST 19TH STREET. THE HOUSE IS NEXT OCCUPANT, ADAM MURRAY, OR EDDIE HORACE BECAME ELFRIEDE AS BEAUTY SHOP MANAGER AND OWNER AND OPERATOR, EXCUSE ME, SHE AND HER HUSBAND, HARRY LIVED AT 2201 EAST 16TH FROM AROUND 1944 TO 1957, [03:40:02] THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY LIST. THIS PROPERTY IS CONTRIBUTING TO A POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, HOWEVER, THE BUILDINGS DOES NOT APPEAR TO MEET BOTH CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO ENCOURAGE ADAPTIVE REUSE, THEN RELOCATION OVER DEMOLITION, BUT TO RELEASE THE PERMIT UPON COMPLETION OF A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, AS IT DOES NOT MEET BOTH REQUIRED CRITERIA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK, UM, ON THIS ITEM? YEAH, THE APPLICANT IS ON THE PHONE. MR. RICHARD MATHIUS. OKAY. MR. MATHIS, UH, YES. GET ANYTHING. MY NAME IS RICHARD AND I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT IN THIS, UH, DEMOLITION PERMIT PROCESS. UM, I DON'T NEED TO GO INTO ANYTHING MORE THAN THE STAFF'S ALREADY INDICATED, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON ARCHITECTURAL PLANS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE THAT WILL REPLACE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. AND I'D CERTAINLY BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK? WE HAVE SOMEONE REGISTERED IN OPPOSITION, A RANDY HURSLEY. OKAY. THIS WOMAN WHO'S WAITED PATIENTLY ALL NIGHT. UM, I'VE ACTUALLY LEARNED SO MUCH TONIGHT, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK. UH, MY NAME IS RANDY HENSLEY AND, UM, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO ASK THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT HOUSE HAS A LOT OF CHARACTER AND HAS A LOT OF LIFE LEFT IN IT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE OWNER OF IT ABOUT RELOCATING IT, UM, YOU KNOW, AT MY OWN EXPENSE BASICALLY. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, BUT I DID WANT TO START THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO SEE THAT HOUSE JUST DEMOLISHED WITHOUT ANY, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT RELOCATING IT AND, UH, YEAH, PERHAPS, UH, STAFF CAN, UM, ARRANGE A MATCH BETWEEN YOU AND THE OKAY. THANKS. AND THE APPLICANT, UM, OWNER, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. UM, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. YES. WHERE ARE YOU? YEAH, HERE WE GO. UM, IF I COULDN'T FOR A PROJECT LIKE THAT, IT'S SMALL ENOUGH AND THOSE TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION ARE ACTUALLY FAIRLY EASY FOR, I MEAN, COMPARED TO WHAT LARGER HOUSES ARE RELATIVELY SIMPLE, UH, FOR MOVING. AND, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S A PERFECT CANDIDATE, SO, UH, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP FACILITATE MAKING THAT CONNECTION. AND THE OWNER HAS TO HAVE IT PAID FOR DIV TEAR DOWN ANYWAY. SO IT MIGHT EVEN BE TO THEIR ADVANTAGE ASSUMING THAT THIS MOTION PASSES. OKAY. UM, TECHNICALLY THE APPLICANT GETS A REBUTTAL, THE APP SEARCH, MR. MATTHIAS. YES, MA'AM. UM, I APPRECIATE, UM, MS. HENSLEY'S COMMENTS AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO FACILITATE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. I'D LOVE TO SEE IT MOVED MYSELF PERSONALLY. JUST, THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL OPINION. ANYTIME YOU CAN MOVE A OLD RESTRUCTURE LIKE THAT AND REUSE IT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, THE LOGISTICS WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AND I'M HOPING THE PERSON MIGHT HAVE A PLACE TO PUT IT. SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. IF THE CITY STAFF WANTS TO PROVIDE MY CONTACT INFORMATION TO MS. HENSLEY, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH THEM. THANK YOU. SHE SAID SHE HAS BEEN SITTING HERE IN THE THIRD ROW ALL NIGHT LONG. WELL, UH, YEAH, IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. I'M JUST ABOUT OUT OF MY BATTERY ON MY, UH, ON MY HOME. UH, WELL, LET'S, UH, LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION. OKAY. SECOND, DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? WHAT? I MEAN, THE STAFF IS GOING TO PUT THEM IN TOUCH WITH ONE. WELL, I KNOW, BUT DO WE WANT TO POSTPONE THIS MIKE QUESTION TO LET THEM WORK ALL THAT OUT AND THEREFORE LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE REVIEW OF DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION PERMITS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. SO IF YOU APPROVE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT THIS EVENING, IF IT IS WITHDRAWN AND A RELOCATION PERMIT IS THEN PULLED STAFF CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE IT BECAUSE THE SAME REVIEW IN OUR EYES. BUT WHAT, WHAT I THINK COMMISSIONER IS, IS ASKING IS DO WE WANT TO POSTPONE ANY ACTION ON IT? UM, PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THEIR NEGOTIATIONS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE [03:45:01] A MOTION ON THE TABLE, SO YOU CAN MAKE THAT MOTION. NO, WE DO HAVE A MOTION. IT WAS A CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, OKAY. UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. NOW, DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE KISS? IT'S A HALF TO DO A RELOCATION PERMIT AS A WAVE, SO WE CAN JUST SWAP THE PERMIT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO REPAY. WE PAY IT TWICE IF THEY WITHDRAW. SO THE DEMOLITION PERMIT IS WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA. IF THEY WITHDRAW AND COME BACK WITH A RELOCATION PERMIT AND YOU DID NOT TAKE ACTION ON THE DEMOLITION PERMIT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE FEES AGAIN, IF YOU DID NOT TAKE ACTION ON THE DEMOLITION PERMIT. OH, I SEE. SO THAT'S $937 AND 4 CENTS. IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET AWAY FROM THE, IF YOU APPROVE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT, THEY CAN WITHDRAW IT THEMSELVES. UM, AND THEN PUT IN, UH, WHEN THEY APPLY FOR A RELOCATION PERMIT, STAFF WILL APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME REVIEW. AND, BUT THE, IT WON'T COST THEM AGAIN. OKAY. SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, THEN I MOVED TO MY MOTION IS TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND PROVE THE DEMOLITION. JUST SAVE SOME MONEY. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND, UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER COOK AND, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES. WE HAVE ONE [29. PR-2022-092566 – 4008 N. Lamar Blvd. – Consent Council District 10] LAST ITEM, 4,000, 4,008 NORTH LAMAR, YET ANOTHER YES. CHAIRMAN. I KNOW I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE EXTEND THE MEETING FOR ANOTHER 10 MINUTES FOR 2, 10, 10. OKAY. WE OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING THE MEETING 10 MINUTES. BYE. OKAY. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NAY. OKAY. WE'RE WE'RE EXTENDED, BUT WE MIGHT STILL GET THROUGH, I AM 29. THIS WAS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH A CIRCUIT. 1926 RESIDENTS CONVERTED TO A FURNITURE STORE AND SALON. HOWEVER, THIS IS ANOTHER CASE WHERE THE BUILDING APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED WITHOUT A PERMIT. UH, THIS USED TO BE A ONE-STORY ABLED BUILDING, UH, WITH A FULL WIDTH PORCH, SUPPORTED BY BOX COLUMNS. IT ENCLOSED BY A WOOD RAILING, FLAT AND HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING, UH, WITH SINGLE IMPAIRED ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS. UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, WAS TO RELEASE UPON COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. HOWEVER, UH, SINCE THE, UH, SINCE THERE'S NOTHING THERE, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION TO ACT UPON, UM, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, NO ACTION. ANOTHER NEW ACTION. I DON'T, I, I LIKE THAT. I DON'T LIKE, UH, APPROVING THINGS AFTER THE FACT WHEN YEAH. I WILL SAY THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE. OH, OH, TOM CRUISE, TOM CRUISE. HI THERE. THIS IS TODD CRUZ. UM, I'M WITH THE OWNERSHIP OF 4,008 LAWRENCE LAMAR. YES. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR YOURSELF? UM, YEAH, SO THERE WAS A BIG MISCOMMUNICATION WITH OUR DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR AND THEY WENT AHEAD AND MOVED FORWARD WITH DEMOLITION. UM, AND WE ARE TRYING TO BACKTRACK AND MAKE THIS FEEL RIGHT WITH THE CITY AND TRY TO, UH, WELL, THE PLAN WAS TO DEMO IT ALL ALONG. UM, THEY JUST GOT AHEAD OF THEMSELVES IN THAT REGARD. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BACKTRACK AND PAY THE FEES AND, AND MAKE THIS RIGHT WITH THE CITY. UM, THE CITY HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE DEMOLITION. THE ONLY THING THAT IS HOLDING US BACK IS THE HISTORICAL TUITIONS, UM, GREEN LIGHTS. UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS FOR, UH, TALKING TO SEVERAL BUSINESS OWNERS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THERE FOR THE DEMO SHOOTS, UH, COLLABORATIVE BUILDING, AND IT'S CAUSED A LOT OF PROBLEMS, UH, WITH VAGRANTS AND JUST ATTRACTING BAD CROWDS. SO IT'S, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THE ACTUAL BUILDING. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE A TENANT IN PLAY ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. I WOULD SAY THERE, IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S A BAD [03:50:01] HOUSE. IT, IT ATTRACTS DE GRANTS. UM, IT'S NOT THE HOUSE'S FAULT, BUT, UM, NEVERTHELESS IT SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION ABSOLUTELY. BEFORE BEING DEMOLISHED. OKAY. YEAH. QUICK QUESTION TO THE OWNER. UM, WHAT LEVEL OF PHOTOGRAPHS OR OTHER DOCUMENTATION DO YOU HAVE ON THE STRUCTURE? UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT SINCE I'M NOT PHYSICALLY THERE, BUT THE PICTURES, THE PICTURES WERE HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. AND, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY INFORMATION, PAGE THREE. UM, BASICALLY HOW THE PROPERTY WAS, UH, IT'S PICTURED, UM, THE SECOND PICTURE ON THAT PAGE. WELL, HOLD ON, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME STOP. LET ME STOP YOU. WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED YOU TO GO TO A LOT OF DETAIL HERE, BUT THE REASON I'M ASKING IS IF YOU HAD ADHERED TO THE PROCEDURE AND WE HAD ISSUED IN THE RIGHT SEQUENCE, THE DEMOLITION APPROVAL, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO TAKE FULL PHOTOGRAPHS AND PROPERLY DOCUMENT THE EXISTING. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE THAT DOUBT? UH, NOT, NOT I'VE BEEN HEARING OR NO, SIR. WE CAN REQUIRE, DO YOU HAVE ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS? IT'S LIKE, YOU'VE GOT THE PICTURES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND THAT'S IT. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER FIXTURES BEYOND THIS? NO, SIR. OKAY. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE, UM, OWNERS, APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE? YES. WERE YOU USING A REPUTABLE AND LICENSED DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR WHO KNEW THEY HAD TO HAVE A PERMIT BEFORE THEY COULD PROCEED? UH, THAT IS CORRECT. UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS MISCOMMUNICATION I'M, I'M BAFFLED AS WELL, UH, THAT THEY PROCEEDED WITHOUT CHECKING THE CITY'S, UH, WEBSITE OR THE ABC, UM, PORTAL TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN ACTIVE PERMIT. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING SAY AYE PASSES. AND, UM, IT IS SUGGESTED THAT WE TAKE NO ACTION. LET ME ASK STAFF, IF WE TAKE NO ACTION, THEN THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO PROCEED WITH ANY OTHER PERMITS WHILE IT STILL IS UNRESOLVED AT THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS COMMISSION. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. COMMISSIONER THAT'S CORRECT. THE, UH, PERMIT APPLICATION WILL TIME OUT AFTER 75 DAYS. UM, SO THOSE 75 DAYS, UM, IT'S JUST GONNA SIT THERE IN THE MEANTIME. UH, WE DO HAVE AN OWNER THAT HAS ADMITTED TO MISTAKE AND HAS BEEN WILLING TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, UH, APPRECIATION TO THIS OWNER FOR STAYING ON THE PHONE AND MAKING IT TO THE END OF OUR MEETING. UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE GOT PLANS TO DO SOMETHING, WE WILL BE HOLDING THEM UP FOR 75 DAYS. IF WE TAKE NO ACTION. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE OWNER. WHEN WAS THE BUILDING DEMOLISHED? UM, LET ME BACKTRACK. IT WAS HOWARD, I WOULD SAY THREE TO FOUR MONTHS AGO. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATES. I DON'T HAVE IT ON HAND. MY APOLOGIES ON, ON GOOGLE, GOOGLE MAPS AS OF APRIL 20, 22. IT'S NOT THERE. OKAY. I WILL SAY THE, THE DEMOLITION PERMIT WAS NOT PROCESSED UNTIL, UH, MID MAY OR JUNE. SO RIGHT. IF THERE IS A, THERE IS A HOLDUP WITH, UH, GETTING THE SITE PLAN, UH, RELEASED FROM, UM, SORRY, UH, ENGINEER. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME LAG WITH THE CITY AS WELL, INTERNALLY, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO, UM, COMMISSIONER HAIM, SETH AS TAKE THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THEY HAVE AND REQUEST THE, UH, HISTORIC NARRATIVE TO BE ARCHIVED ALONG WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THEY SUBMITTED, UM, AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER. IF IT, YOU KNOW, IF IT, UM, IS YOUR PREFERENCE TO, UH, [03:55:01] TO RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO THE DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR. CAN WE, IS THAT AN OPTION LEANN? YEAH, WE CAN POSTPONE IT. YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT I'M PUTTING IT OUT THAT WE CAN ASK. WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO, UM, HAVE THE DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR COME TO THE, YEAH, I GUESS I'M NOT COMMISSIONING, I GUESS I WOULD, YEAH. AT THE END OF THE AGENDA. SO I GUESS I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HAVE THE DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR APPEAR FOR THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? OH, I'LL SECOND. LET ME MODIFY THAT. SO TYPICALLY SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KOSTIA OKAY. BUT WE NEED A SPECIFIC DATE FOR THE POSTPONEMENT. THAT'S ALL. YES. SEPTEMBER 7TH. YEP. ALL EXCEPT THAT FRIENDLY COMMISSIONER COSTUME, EXCEPT THAT SEPTEMBER 7TH, EXCEPT THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER HOMICIDES. DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS? NO, I THINK IT, IF WE JUST SAY WE POSTPONE IT FOR A MONTH AND WE ASK THEM TO HAVE THE DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR HEARD OUR NEXT MEETING, UM, THEY HAVE THE OPTION THEN OF GETTING, GETTING US TO RELEASE THIS SOONER THAN SEVENTY-FIVE DAYS. YEAH. OKAY. THE MOTION ON THE TABLE THEN IS TO, UM, POSTPONE TO A SEPTEMBER 7TH MEETING AND, UM, ASKED THAT THE DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR, UH, COME TO THE, UH, LANDMARK COMMISSION. UM, ANY DISCUSSION, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I'M SORRY FOR THE OWNER THAT THE CONTRACTOR DID THIS, BUT I I'M, I'M INCURRED, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE RUNNING CLEANUP. THIS IS, WE HEARD THE ONE ON SPEEDWAY. WE'VE SEEN THE OLD NIGHTHAWK BUILDING. UM, WE CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO FACILITATING THIS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, TO A PATTERN OF, UM, DEMOLITION WITHOUT, UM, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO WHILE IT MAY NOT BE YOUR, UM, YOUR PARTICULAR FAULT OF, WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OF, I THINK, MAY I STAFF A QUESTION? SO, UM, CONTINGENT UPON THAT MEETING, WE S WE STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO POSTPONE AGAIN, CORRECT? YEAH. THE 75 DAYS, TIMES OUT, UH, OCTOBER 17TH. SO YOU CAN POSTPONE UP UNTIL THE OCTOBER MEETING. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, ARISEN YOUR HAND. IT PASSES. OKAY. OKAY. THEY, UM, WE HAVE SIX MINUTES. WE HAVE, UH, NO, NO DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. WE DISCUSSED THOSE ALREADY, NO ITEMS FOR TAX ABATEMENT ARCHITECTURAL [30. Architectural Review Committee] REVIEW COMMITTEE. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO LOOK AT THE, UM, MUELLER CONTROL MILLER CONTROL TOWER PRESENTATION THAT WE SAW. IT WAS A INTERESTING APPROACH THAT THEY'RE TAKING TO MAKING USE OF THAT IN A, IN A PARK, IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND WE ALSO SAW A PARK PARKS ARE A, SO, WHICH YOU ALL SAW ON YOUR BACKUP AMONG MANY, MANY OTHERS THAT EVENING. UM, THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE, I DON'T THINK HAS, UM, HAS MET THE GRANTS COMMITTEE, UH, OKAY. [33. Preservation Plan Committee] PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE BETH, OR WAS, I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MET SINCE THE LAST, UM, LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING, IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE WE POSTPONED THIS MONTH. I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK, UM, UH, KARA BIRD TRON ASKED ME TO MAKE THIS OFFICIAL. I AM GOING TO STEP DOWN FROM THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE AND LEAVE THAT SEAT VACANT FOR ANYONE, ESPECIALLY NEW PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION TO TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE, IN THE COMMISSION ACTIVITIES. SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT. UM, I FELT THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE, OF COURSE YOU ARE TO BETH, BUT I FELT I'M HERE, YOU KNOW, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. I ACTUALLY PREPARE FOR THESE LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETINGS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND HAVING THE, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE, THE PRESERVISION PLAN WAS, UH, JUST A LITTLE, UM, UH, MORE THAN I CAN HANDLE RIGHT NOW. [04:00:01] SO I'M LEAVING THAT, THAT SEAT AVAILABLE FOR, UM, FOR ANYONE WHO, WHO WANTS TO, UH, JOIN THE PRESERVISION PLAN COMMITTEE AND MAYBE GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE SUPREME COURT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EQUITY BASED. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY, WHEN, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT, I THOUGHT, GEE, DO I REALLY WANT TO LEAVE? WE COULD JUST SOME REBEL ROUSING HERE, BUT, UH, CHAIR MYERS. YES. YEAH. IF I COULD, LET ME, THANK YOU. LET ME THANK YOU FOR A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING AND GETTING US AS MUCH ACCOMPLISHED WITH YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS. WE'LL MISS YOU ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT I DO WANT TO CORRECTIONS, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW MEMBERS KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT LIMITED TO JUST ONE EXTRA MEMBER. SO, UH, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE MORE THAN THREE MEMBERS AND IT CAN CERTAINLY BE MORE, MORE THAN ONE THAT THEY'RE IN. IF THERE'S THAT MUCH INTEREST. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER VACANCIES, UH, ONE ON THE GRANTS COMMITTEE AND ONE ON THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE. AS OF NOW, THERE ARE ONLY TWO COMMISSIONERS FOR ALL. UH, ALL THOSE, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROGAN. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN UP FOR THE PRESERVATION OF PLANNING COMMITTEE. GOOD FOR YOU. THAT PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE IS WHERE IT'S HAPPENING. THAT'S RIGHT. OH, AND ANY ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED? I THINK WE DO HAVE A LIMIT AT SOME POINT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, YOU STEPPED FORWARD HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER GROWED, WELCOME TO THE FRAY OF COMMISSIONER GROGAN AND WELCOME TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION HERE TONIGHT. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. IT'S 10 0 8. PRETTY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. GOODNIGHT COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US STAFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.