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[00:00:01]

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD.

THERE'S

[CALL TO ORDER]

SIX OF US HERE.

WE'VE GOT QUORA.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED 6 33.

SO THIS IS THE SEPTEMBER MEETING OF THE MUSIC COMMISSION AND I DON'T, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANYBODY ON ONLINE ON THE PHONE TO SPEAK FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION? NO, THERE WASN'T ANYONE WHO SIGNED UP, UH, FOR ONLINE AND, UH, THERE WAS NOBODY HERE PRESENT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

GREAT.

WE'LL UM, WE'LL ROLL UP RIGHT ALONG THE, WE ALSO DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, A PERFORMANCE TONIGHT, A MUSICAL PERFORMANCE, BUT WE WILL START BACK WITH DISTRICT ONE, UH, NEXT, AT THE NEXT MEETING IN, UH, BUT I DID WANNA SAY IN TERMS OF MUSICAL PERFORMANCE, TOMORROW IS HAND DAY.

SO, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE MUSIC ALL OVER TOWN, UH, SUPPORTING THE HEALTH ALLIANCE FOR AUSTIN MUSICIANS.

UH, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS IN A WHILE AND THE BIG, SO I KNOW THERE'S SHOWCASES AT WATERLOO GREENWAY.

UM, GERALDINE'S ANTONS, UM, ALL OVER TOWN.

SO JUST CHECK THAT OUT.

GOOGLE HAND 2022, I MEAN, THERE'S MUSICAL PERFORMANCES LIKE AT BANKS AND PLACES, SO THAT IS AWESOME.

SO HOPEFULLY LOTS OF PEOPLE WILL GO OUT AND SEE THOSE SHOWS AND ALSO DONATE TO HAM, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS AN AMAZING ORGANIZATION THAT SUPPORTS, UH, WORKING MUSICIANS IN AUSTIN.

AND IT'S SO GREAT THAT PEOPLE CAN BE OUTPERFORMING.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION THAT ARE GONNA BE PERFORMING, SO THAT IS ALSO AWESOME.

UM, OKAY, SO

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HAD A, HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE MINUTES THAT KIM SENT, UM, BY EMAIL EARLY OR TODAY, UH, WHICH I DID ALSO.

SO IF ANYBODY, ONCE Y'ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION THREE.

OKAY.

SO COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND, UH, MOTIONS TO APPROVE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? UH, COMMISSIONER LE MO AND THEN ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT.

GREAT.

AND SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE EVERYBODY ON THE VIDEO TONIGHT IN THE, IN THIS ROOM, WHICH IS GREAT.

WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER, BUT SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND AND COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN IS HERE, COMMISSIONER ROSENTHAL, COMMISSIONER LUON, MYSELF, UH, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, COMMISSIONER META CHARLA, AND COMMISSIONER PIKE IS ON, IS WITH US REMOTELY TONIGHT.

AND I THINK PATRICE, WHEN YOU CAN DO TURN ON YOUR VIDEO SO THAT WE CAN, YOU CAN BE OFFICIAL, UH, SINCE YOU HAVE THAT, THOSE ARE THE, I GUESS, THE OR STATE RULES THAT VIDEO HAS TO BE ON.

OKAY, AWESOME.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION.

AND DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU'RE GOOD.

THERE'S PATRICE.

OKAY.

THERE'S PATRICE.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE ALL SET.

OKAY.

DISCUSSION

[2. Discussion and possible action regarding City-paid music performance including loading, unloading, and cancellation.]

AND ACTION ITEMS. SO WE'LL PICK BACK UP, UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

FOLLOWING UPDATE ON CITY PAID MUSIC PERFORMANCE, INCLUDING LO LOADING AND UNLOADING AND CANCELLATION FEES.

UM, SO WE DIDN'T QUITE REACH A DECISION ON THIS LAST TIME, HOW TO HANDLE, UM, LOADING AND UNLOADING LIKE A, A FEE FOR THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

SO WHAT, UH, I KNOW COMMISSIONER CIRCLING, YOU HAD BEEN GIVEN US SOME THOUGHTS.

SO WHAT ARE WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND? UM, I'M CURRENTLY GATHERING, UM, SOME RESEARCH FROM I'VE TALKED ABOUT 23 MUSICIANS SO FAR.

IT'S MY NOTES SOMEWHERE.

UM, THAT WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, LIKE, UM, I GUESS LIKE AN ORGANIZATIONAL, LIKE HOW TO KIND OF ARGUMENTATIVELY COME BACK.

I THINK I KNOW THAT ERICA WAS WANTING SOME MORE LIKE DATAS PRECISELY ON OKAY.

HOW THAT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK AND EVERYTHING.

SO, SO FAR EVERYONE WOULD APPROVE OF IT, BUT IT'S JUST, UM, A MATTER OF MAYBE SOME MORE DETAIL FROM, FROM OUR SIDE OF THINGS.

AND THEN, UM, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'LL BE MORE CONCRETE STUFF BY THE NEXT MEETING FOR SURE.

I'LL HAVE LIKE A MORE, YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

I THINK WE WERE ALL LEANING TOWARDS, WE LIKED THE IDEA OF A SPECIFIC FEE FOR THAT AS OPPOSED TO PER HOUR PER, PER POSITION, LIKE THE, THE ACTUAL PERFORMANCES.

SO YEAH.

DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? I HAVE A BIT OF A THOUGHT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOADING INTO A PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE PARKING AVAILABLE TO YOU FOR FREE MM-HMM , AND

[00:05:01]

IT'S NOT A BIG ISSUE, THAT MIGHT BE AN EXCEPTION, BUT IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE LOAD IN CAN BE A NIGHTMARE, ESPECIALLY ON SIXTH STREET OR ONE OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

MM-HMM AND THEN FINDING PARKING IS ALSO THE OTHER NIGHTMARE.

MM-HMM .

SO BASED ON THOSE TWO ISSUES, I'M A HUGE FAN.

THERE MAY BE AN EXCEPTION IF YOU ARE LOADING INTO A SET, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.

MM-HMM .

YEAH.

SO, AND IN, IN THE CASE OF CITY PERFORMANCE, I MEAN, SOMETIMES THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE WHERE THEY'RE AT THE CITY HALL PARKING GARAGE, OR, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE THINGS AVAILABLE, BUT NOT ALWAYS.

SO, UH, I KNOW ERICA IS OUT OF TOWN RIGHT NOW.

SHE'S BEEN TRAVELING FOR WORK AND, UM, SHE'LL BE BACK NEXT MEETING AND ALSO PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION WILL BE HERE SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT.

SO I THINK, YEAH, SCOTT, I THINK IF, JUST, IF YOU CAN TRY TO HAVE A, A CONVERSATION WITH ERICA AHEAD OF THE NEXT MEETING AND JUST COME WITH A RECOMMENDATION, THAT'D BE GREAT.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL, WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT FROM THERE.

UH, I THINK THERE'S A PLAY IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PLUG IN YOUR LAPTOP, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A SPOT ON THE FLOOR THAT ROUND IS THAT, THAT LIKE BEHIND YOU, THAT ROUND BLACK CIRCLE, IS THAT LIKE A THING? IS THAT A, OH, NO.

OKAY.

NOW WE'VE JUST FOUND IT'S SOME PORTAL DOWN TO THE BASEMENT.

OKAY.

SIT DOWN.

YEAH.

DON'T OPEN THAT AGAIN.

WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT GOES TO? UM, UH, OKAY.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE, I WAS CURIOUS, IS THERE, I MEAN, I KNOW WE, I WAS JUST TALKING TO WARREN.

I GO, I WONDER IF IT BE POSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT TO ACTUALLY, IF THEY, IF YOU'RE MUSICIANS, YOUR BAND'S GONNA BE SHOWING UP AT A CERTAIN TIME TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE THEM AS KIND OF LIKE TRAFFIC CONTROL WHERE, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE CHECKING METERS, ANYTHING ELSE? AND I MEAN, COULDN'T, THEY PROVIDE SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC CONTROL TO HELP THEM AT LEAST NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANGRY OTHER DRIVERS THAT ARE HONKING.

THEY, WHY THEY STOP, THEY LET YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

AND THEN, OR HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, WAS THERE SOMETHING WITH, UM, PARKING WASN'T THERE, A PARKING AMBASSADOR OR A PROGRAM THAT WE HAD A PRESENTATION, SOME PRES PRESENTED TO US WHERE THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT HELP WILL HELP YOU GET YOUR EQUIPMENT FROM YOUR CAR TO YOUR GIG? YEAH.

SO THERE IS THE GIG BUDDY PROGRAM.

YEAH.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN ALLIANCE AND AUSTIN, TEXAS MUSICIANS.

SO, UM, SO THERE, RIGHT.

SO, SO TO, UM, TO CHRIS'S POINT, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN THE CITY DEDICATED TO HELPING MUSICIANS GET TO GIGS.

MM-HMM THAT SHOULD BE ON THAT PACKAGE OR SOMETHING.

YEAH.

SO THERE'S KIND OF TWO, SO THERE'S TWO, I, IN MY MIND, LIKE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE, CUZ THERE'S ONE THAT'S CITY PAID PERFORMANCE.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS BY HAVING A, A, AN ADDITIONAL PAYING THE BAND AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR THAT TIME.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO JUST THE WHOLE CITYWIDE ISSUE OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, MUSICIANS TRYING TO PARK.

YEAH.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, PAYING TO PARK FOR 12 BUCKS AND THEN HAULING THEIR GEAR.

SO THE GIG BUDDY PROGRAM DOES HELP ADDRESS PART OF THAT WITH THE HAULING OF THE GEAR, UM, WHICH IS GREAT.

AND, UH, SOYA JABBA FROM THE MUSICIAN COMMUNITY REALLY WORKED HARD ON, UM, PULLING THAT TOGETHER.

THE AGENDA TWO AND THREE BASICALLY, BECAUSE THE THIRD ITEM IS ABOUT THE UNDOING AND I BELIEVE, UH, THIRD ITEM CONVENTION CENTER, YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THE, YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT, AM I LOOKING AT THE WRONG MINUTE? OH, I'M LOOKING AT THE MINUTES FROM LAST WEEK.

OKAY.

IT'S ME.

NUMBER THREE IS UH, OH, PARKING.

YEAH.

SO WHAT KIND OF, YEAH.

YEAH.

SO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS, YEAH, THEY THEY'LL PRESENT NEXT MONTH.

SO THEY WERE, UH, ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA, BUT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT.

UM, AND UM, OKAY.

BUT I GUESS THE POINT IS IF WE ARE GOING TO PAY HOURLY FOR THE LOADING AND UNLOADING MM-HMM , THEN LET'S BE SMART AND USE THE PARKING BUDDY FOR ALL CITY EVENTS, BECAUSE THAT WILL REDUCE OUR EXPENSES AS WELL AS REDUCE THE RE REDUCE THE PAIN OF THE ARTIST.

NOW, NOW YOU, I WOULD ASSUME.

YEAH.

I WOULD ASSUME YOU WOULD KNOW BEST SCOTT, MAYBE .

UM, BUT YEAH, I LOVE THAT IDEA OF A COORDINATED EFFORT OF, YOU KNOW, USING ALL THE RESOURCES.

SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.

AND, UM, SO YEAH, LET'S TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION WHEN WE LOOK AT, AT YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU BRING TO THE NEXT MEETING AND, UM, YEAH, AND I KNOW ERICA HAD TOUCHED ON IN OUR LAST MEETING THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME POSSIBILITIES WITH THAT THE CITY CAN HELP WITH IN TERMS OF JUST PARKING GENERALLY AND FINDING PARKING.

[00:10:01]

UH, I THINK AUSTIN, TEXAS MUSICIANS HAD A THOUGHT ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE THAT COULD BE USED.

THAT'S NOW USED DURING THE DAY.

AND MAYBE IT COULD BE USED AS MUSICIAN PARK PARKING.

I HOPE THAT'S NOT LIKE A SECRET THING, BUT, BUT THEY WERE BRAINSTORMING SOME IDEAS ABOUT LIKE, THERE ARE SOME PARKING GARAGES THAT, UM, JUST REALLY AREN'T USED IN THE EVENING AND MAYBE THAT'S A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE OF THE EXPENSIVE PARKING FOR MUSICIANS DOWNTOWN.

AND, AND THE, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I, I THINK THAT WHAT, WHAT MY DESIRE WOULD BE IS TO LIKE LITERALLY HAVE, UM, EITHER SOME KIND OF DES EITHER DESIGNATED PARKING FOR MUSICIANS WHEN THEY'RE LOADING AND UNLOADING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR HAVE IT TO WHERE THEIR VEHICLES OR WHATNOT ARE PART OF LIKE A, LIKE THERE'S A PERMIT FOR THAT.

UM, LIKE THEY LITERALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CITY VEHICLE WHERE YOU DO LIKE PARK IT DOWNTOWN 20 MINUTE, 20 MINUTES, 20 MINUTES SOMETHING OR WHATEVER.

UM, AND I HAVE BEEN, UH, TALKING TO THE TRANSPORTATION, THE PARK, THE PARKING DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, WHEN I SAY I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM, I MEAN, I'VE TALKED ONCE, THERE WAS ONE VOICEMAIL, IT WAS A CALLBACK AND I'M, IT'S MY TIME TO PLAY PHONE TAG WITH THEM.

SO, UM, BUT THE CONVERSATIONS SEEM TO BE GOING WELL.

OKAY.

I MEAN, I NEED TO, IT'S BEEN A, A COUPLE OF WEEKS SINCE I FOLLOWED UP WITH THAT, BUT THE CONVERSATIONS SEEM TO BE GOING WELL, I JUST NEED TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE AND FOLLOW UP WITH IT.

OKAY.

SO GREAT.

YEAH.

I, I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN, AS THIS BODY CAN HELP SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

UM, SO THAT'S GREAT.

UM, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THAT? WE'LL DEFINITELY REVISIT IT NEXT MEETING.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

AWESOME.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'LL BE OVER ITEM THREE, WHICH IS, UM, AN UPDATE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ON THIS VERY THING.

AND, UH, WE'LL

[4. Discussion and possible action on Convention Center Working Group]

MOVE AHEAD TO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS, UM, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE CONVENTION CENTER WORKING GROUP.

SO LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER AND, UM, THAT GAVE US A GREAT OVERVIEW.

WE ALL, LOTS OF US HAD QUESTIONS AND SOME DETAILS WE WANTED TO, TO DIG INTO.

UM, IN TERM, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT BUBBLED UP WERE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC BENEFIT, LIKE HOW, HOW CAN IT, HOW CAN THE MUSIC COMMUNITY BE PART OF THIS IN TERMS OF THE EXPANSIONS? YEAH.

THE EXPANSION.

SO THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BE THE EXPANDED CONVENTION CENTER.

UM, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW IT AFFECTS, UM, THE, THE LIVE MUSIC FUND, WHICH IS FUNDED BY HOT, BECAUSE THERE IS GONNA BE A TIME WHEN THE CONVENTION CENTER'S CLOSED, BUT THEN IT'S GONNA BE BIGGER AND HOPEFULLY BRING IN MORE MONEY.

SO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIALS OF THAT, UM, AS WELL AS JUST WHAT THAT SPACE CAN REALLY BE AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE.

SO I HAVE, UM, AN UPDATE OF MY OWN SINCE THEN, I'VE TALKED WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION AND THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS ALSO BASICALLY THE SAME THINGS, BECAUSE THEY ALSO ARE FUNDED THROUGH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES.

AND, UM, THEY'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT, WHAT THESE, THESE LAND USE DECISIONS, HOW THEY CAN AFFECT AND BENEFIT THE ARTS AND CULTURAL ARTS AND MUSIC.

SO, AND WHEN I TALKED WITH THEM, REALLY, WE, WE ARRIVED AT THE CONCLUSION THAT THE CONVENTION CENTER IS ONE THING, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UM, SIXTH STREET.

THERE'S THAT, THAT REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE ON THE COMMISSION.

UM, AND OTHER, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH, SO MUCH IS CHANGING IN TERMS OF REAL ESTATE AND HOW THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS GROWING.

AND EVEN, UM, OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, AS WE HAVE AREAS THAT ARE BEING CALLED, LIKE THE SECOND DOWNTOWN.

AND, UM, SO WHAT THEY PROPOSED AND I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT IDEA.

SO THAT'S ONE THING WE'LL DISCUSS HERE IS, UM, NOT JUST LIMITING THIS WORKING GROUP TO THE CONVENTION CENTER, BUT MAKING THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TACKLE IN A TIMELY FASHION SO THAT WE CAN HAND OVER RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO COUNCIL AND THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION TEAM, BUT, BUT THEN BEING BROAD ENOUGH, UM, TO ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES.

AND SO WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A GOOD IDEA WOULD BE TO CALL THAT THE, UM, URBAN CORE LAND USE WORKING GROUP.

SO IT ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE OTHER THINGS UNDER THAT PROJECT AND NOT HAVE LIKE DIFFERENT WORKING GROUPS GOING ON THAT ARE TRYING TO, THAT ARE OVERLAPPING OR KINDA WEARING EVERYBODY OUT WITH LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU'RE NOT LIKE IN A MILLION MEETINGS,

[00:15:01]

IF YOU WANNA WANNA BE INVOLVED IN THESE DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS.

AND, UM, SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION THAT I'D LIKE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT.

AND, UM, THE SECOND THING WOULD JUST BE THE STRUCTURE OF THE GROUP, LIKE HOW MANY COMMISSIONERS WE MIGHT LIKE TO HAVE ON IT, HOW WE WOULD, UM, UH, ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY, LIKE HOW, HOW WE MIGHT SELECT COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ALSO BE PART OF THAT.

BUT IT WOULD BE VERY THAT WE AGREED WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION THAT IT WOULD BE EVEN LIKE, WE'D HAVE SO MANY, AN EQUAL NUMBER OF ARTS AND MUSIC, COMMISSIONERS AND ARTS AND MUSIC COMMISSIONERS WOULD, UH, THE COMMISSIONS WOULD SELECT A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR, I MEAN, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ANY INDUSTRY PEOPLE, UM, BUT JUST SO THAT WE MIRROR EACH OTHER AND THE GOAL, I THINK WITH THAT, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE THE DELIVERABLE WOULD BE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE, WE TRY TO GET THROUGH THAT IN A TIMELY FASHION.

SO EACH THING WOULD BE LIKE, OKAY, AT THIS MEETING, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, THIS ONE, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS BY THIS MEETING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND I KNOW THE, THE WORK THAT NAG GALI AND, AND THE LIVE MUSIC FUND WORKING GROUP DID AT THE END OF LAST YEAR.

AND THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR IS LIKE A REALLY GOOD MODEL FOR THAT, OF LIKE, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S NOT IT OUT.

LET'S JUST DIG IN, DO THE WORK, AND THEN WE WILL PRODUCE SOMETHING AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ONTO THE NEXT THING.

SO WE DON'T GET TO TOO BOGGED DOWN AND WE DON'T WEAR GET BURN OUT.

AND ALSO WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYTHING UP OR SOMEBODY AT THE CITY IS WAITING ON SOMETHING FROM, FROM US.

UM, SO YEAH, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

AND, UH, YEAH, WHAT'S WHAT BUBBLES UP FOR Y'ALL AND ALL THAT THOUGHTS.

WELL, MY THOUGHTS ARE, ARE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH MUSIC AND THE AFFORDABILITY OF AUSTIN FOR MUSICIANS HAS TO DO WITH LAND USE MM-HMM AND GENTRIFICATION.

AND, UM, TH THIS IS HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP AUSTIN LIVABLE FOR MUSICIANS.

UH, I, YOU KNOW, PER PERHAPS THOSE MUSIC COMMISSIONERS REPRESENTING THE PARTS TOWN THAT ARE AT THE BIGGEST RISK FOR GENTRIFICATION, I'M THINKING DISTRICTS, ONE DISTRICT DISTRICTS DISTRICTS TWO, UH, THIS IS HUGELY IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS.

I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BEING ON THIS COMMISSION, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS BECOMES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HELP GUIDE AUSTIN'S GROWTH AND PROTECT LAND USE, AND, UH, AND ACCESSIBILITY FOR MUSICIANS.

YEAH.

HISTORICALLY THAT HASN'T EXACTLY HISTOR AS I CAN SEE FROM DISTRICT THREE.

YEAH.

SO I THINK THAT REALLY GETS THE HEART OF THE MATTER IS THAT REAL ESTATE COSTS ARE THE CRITICAL ISSUE FOR SO MANY THINGS IN AUSTIN, BUT ESPECIALLY MUSIC AND CULTURAL ARTS, BOTH, UM, FOR VENUES, FOR PROMOTERS, FOR MUSICIANS, FOR MUSIC WORKERS, UM, PEOPLE HAVING TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, DRIVE IN FROM THE SUBURBS TO WORK A GIG LIKE THAT EVENT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE MORE AND MORE CLUBS OPEN OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIKE THAT? WE'RE GONNA SUFFER A LOSS OF TALENT, UM, AND A LOSS OF VENUES.

SO I DO SEE OPPORTUNITIES WITH REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FOR AFFORDABLE SPACE.

AND I SEE THOSE THINGS AS VALUE ADS.

I DON'T, I DON'T WANT DEVELOPERS THINKING LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, HERE'S MUSIC COMMISSION, LIKE ASKING FOR A HANDOUT.

I'M LIKE, NO, LIKE THIS CAN MAKE YOUR DEVELOPMENT COOLER.

IT CAN HELP YOU GET IT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT CAN HELP IT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE, THE, THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE ASKING FOR, UM, DIET BREAKS, TAX BREAKS, IT, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT'S A BIT CONTROVERSIAL BY SOME PEOPLE.

BUT, UM, THAT HAS DEFINITELY BEEN SOME, THERE'S BEEN SOME PUBLIC PERCEPTION THAT THAT'S TRUE.

UM, HEIGHT, VARIANCE IS ZONING CHANGES.

UM, AND THAT, AND THE CONVENTION CENTER, YOU KNOW, IS, IS CITY AS THERE WILL BE SOME PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT RIGHT NOW THAT'S, THE PLAN IS, IS EXPLAINED TO US THAT THERE'S SOME PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND A TOWER.

THAT'S GONNA GO ON ONE PART THERE, UM, WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER, I THINK THERE'S LESS OF MARKETING OPPORTUNITY, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, VISIT AUSTIN HAS A MARKETING BUDGET.

LIKE WE HAVE AN AUDIENCE COMING IN THERE THAT WE WOULD WANT EVERYBODY THAT GOES TO CONVENTION TO KNOW WHO'S PLAYING THAT NIGHT,

[00:20:01]

UM, BE ABLE TO USE THEIR DIGITAL BOARDS.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE'S, YEAH.

I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT.

SO THERE'S LOTS OF, THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS.

UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK SO BOTH IT'S THE AFFORDABILITY LIKE THAT, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITH OUR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS, TO ADDRESS THE AFFORDABILITY, BOTH OF THIS VENUE, SPACE, GALLERY, SPACE, PERFORMANCE, SPACE, WHATEVER, UM, STUDIO SPACE AND, BUT ALSO HOUSING, BUT ALSO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THESE SPACES TO, UM, HELP MUSICIANS, LIKE HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES, MAKE MORE MONEY.

SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WELL AS A PERSON THAT'S KIND OF GONE THROUGH THIS, MY FIRST SPACE, THE PRICE WENT FROM 4,000 TO 10,000.

MM-HMM MY SECOND SPACE.

THE PRICE WENT FROM 1600 TO 8,500.

AND MY THIRD SPACE IS NOW BEING RAISED FOR CONDOS.

AND IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS I'M AFRAID I FEEL STRONGLY WAS MISSED.

AND THE, THE MORAL BEHIND THAT STORY IS THAT CITY MOVES VERY SLOW.

PRIVATE BUSINESS DOES NOT, THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THE CITY WANTS TO GET, UNLESS THEY ALREADY OWN IT.

THAT WILL WITHSTAND A FOUR OR FIVE YEAR WAIT, EVERYBODY'S GONNA DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY BEFORE THE CITY CAN EVER GET IT.

MM-HMM .

SO, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE BITE OUT OF OUR DISCUSSION THAT THE CITY CAN HELP THIS BECAUSE THE CITY MOVES AT ITS PACE.

AND, AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

MM-HMM , I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT CITIES ARE.

THEY'RE CAUTIOUS.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS TO ADDRESS, SO THEY CAN'T DO THE SAME BENEFIT.

MM-HMM THAT A PRIVATE BUSINESS CAN.

AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DEVELOP A, A PRIVATE BUSINESS TO DISPERSE THE MONEY, BUT, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS THAT THESE THINGS JUST HAVE AN IDEA THAT BY THE TIME IT GETS TO STAGE TWO HAS ALREADY BEEN BOUGHT AND SOLD MM-HMM .

AND WHEN WE HAVE THIS, THERE'S NOT A REAL ANSWER TO MAKING IT AFFORDABLE IN THE CITY CENTER MM-HMM .

AND I BELIEVE THAT IT'S ONLY GONNA BE A SERIES OF LITTLE SATELLITE CENTERS AROUND THE CITY MM-HMM THAT IS GONNA ALLOW US TO SUSTAIN THIS BECAUSE THOSE ADDRESS, PARKING ISSUES, THOSE ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, PRICE ISSUES, AND THOSE ALSO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF THIS HAS NOW BECOME A VERY EXPANSIVE CITY.

AND MUCH OF IT IS GEOGRAPHICALLY ZONED AWAY FROM THE COOL STUFF.

AND SO THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE.

MM-HMM .

SO I THINK WE COULD REACH A MUCH LARGER AUDIENCE IF WE WERE TO START TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THESE SATELLITE LOCATIONS.

MM-HMM AND THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION THAT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, ON THIS BOARD, WE DISCUSSED THE IDEA OF TRYING TO MAKE SATELLITE PLACES BY HAVING THE, UH, CRITERIA, WHICH MADE YOU A MUSIC VENUE.

AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT DEFINITION HAS BEEN USED IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT APPROACHES MM-HMM , BUT I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY CENTER IS GONNA BE ANY MORE THAN A PLANET HOLLYWOOD IN THE FUTURE.

UM, YEAH.

SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, A PHRASE LIKE I WAS SEEN OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AS LIKE A PLAYGROUND FOR THE WEALTHY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S.

SO, ONE THING THAT I THINK A WORKING GROUP WOULD DEFINE IS, UM, WHEN WE SAY URBAN CORE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS THAT DOWNTOWN? IS THAT OLD TURF DECAYING? IS THAT BEN WHITE TO 180 3 TO THAT FLU REVEAL TO GEORGE? YEAH.

YEAH.

I MEAN, IS IN TERMS OF OUR POPULATION, WE'RE INCLUDING ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN OUR POPULATION, SHOULD WE CONSIDER THOSE INTO OUR, AND YOU KNOW, THE REACH OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN HAVING A WORKING GROUP CUZ WE CAN'T, IT, IT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY, I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO SIT THROUGH LIKE FOUR MEETINGS HERE IN THE, WORKING IN THE MUSIC COMMISSION TO WORK THAT OUT, HONESTLY, WITH THE OTHER THINGS ON THE AGENDA, BUT A WORKING GROUP CAN SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT A MAP AND WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINE THAT AND WE CAN DEFINE LIKE, WHAT PROBLEMS ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE PRIMARILY? IS IT AFFORDABILITY? IS IT HELPING PEOPLE HOLD ONTO THEIR SPACE? I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF US, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY ARE HEARTBROKEN OVER THE, YOU KNOW, THE THIRD SPACE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT'S LOSING THEIR LEASE LIKE THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF A, A SHINING STAR THAT WE ALL FELT EX LIKE, THIS IS GREAT.

THEY'RE MAKING THIS WORK.

AND TO HAVE THE RUG PULLED OUT FROM UNDER THEM IS REALLY SAD AND CLARIFY SOMETHING IN THIS BUSINESS, YOU EITHER SHUT DOWN OR YOU MOVE ON MM-HMM AND THIS, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT REALLY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, UM, THEORETICAL IDEA.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I WILL EITHER FIND A PLACE OR I WILL SHUT DOWN MM-HMM AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, I AM WORKING MY BUTT OFF IN EVERY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

I'M TOO OLD TO NOT ASK FAVORS.

SO I'M ASKING EVERY FAVOR I CAN TO TRY TO STAY,

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YOU KNOW, IN BUSINESS, IN THE RELATIVE AREA.

MM-HMM BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS MY HOME AND I, WHAT I SEE IN THE ARTS COMMISSION AGREES WITH, WITH THIS OR THE CHAIRS THAT, THAT WE WE'VE TALKED THAT ASKING FOR FAVORS IS TOTALLY FINE.

AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO COLLECTIVELY IS, IS A PAIR OF BODIES WORKING TOGETHER.

LIKE WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOME BIG FAVORS FROM SOME PEOPLE WITH, WITH THAT ARE MAKING, YOU KNOW, MAKING THESE DECISIONS AND THEY DO HAVE THE, THE FUNDING.

AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW DEVELOPERS, UM, I WAS ASKING SOMEBODY THAT WORKS FOR A BIG DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, YOU KNOW, LIKE TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU'RE SAYING LIKE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY, LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT WORK LOOK LIKE? AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, WE GOTTA GO BACK TO OUR INVESTORS AND YOU KNOW, THEY JUST LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, LET US HELP YOU DEFINE FEASIBILITY IN AN, IN THIS ADDITIONAL WAY WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY IS THERE, ARE YOU MAKING MONEY, BUT YOU'RE BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY ABOUT WHAT MAKES PEOPLE WANNA COME TO AUSTIN AND BUY A LUXURY CONDO AT YOUR DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, OR, OR STAY IN THOSE APARTMENTS.

CUZ IF WE KIND OF HOLLOW OUT THE MUSIC AND CULTURE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE PLACES MAY NOT BE AS ATTRACTIVE TO FUTURE TENANTS.

SO I JUST, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT UNDER THE, THE ILLUSION THAT, THAT WE CAN SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS, BUT I, I WANT US TO BE IN A STRONG POSITION TO ASK FOR THINGS AND THE CITY, A LOT OF THESE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS, LIKE THEY DO HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR ZONING CHANGES AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR, THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING WHEN THEY DO THAT.

THAT'S JUST HOW THE PRO THAT'S THAT'S THE PROCEDURE, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS, IS SOMETIMES CONFUSING.

AND I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO LIKE DEVELOP, DEFINE A VENUE AND YOU KNOW, IS A, A SPECIAL CASE IN THAT.

UM, WE CAN ASK TOO.

AND I THINK WE CAN, I WOULD LOVE TO CHANGE THE NARRATIVE ABOUT HOW DEVELOPMENT WORKS IN AUSTIN OR AT LEAST HELP DO THAT.

SO THAT MAY BE AMBITIOUS.

UM, BUT IT, IT WON'T HAPPEN IF NOBODY ASKS.

SO THAT'S, I THINK THE GOAL OF THIS GROUP IS TO PUT TOGETHER ASKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE LITERALLY WIN-WIN FOR CITI, FOR CITIZENS AND FOR DEVELOPERS.

AND SO THE DEVELOPERS ARE LIKE, OH, THAT WAS REALLY COOL.

LIKE WE DID A REALLY COOL THING HERE.

SO JUST TO BRING BACK INTO THE PICTURE STREAM REALTY, WHO WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, AND IT'S LIKE, THEY, THEY HAVE THIS WHOLE PUSH AND PULL OF LIKE, WELL, THEY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S COOL ABOUT AUSTIN AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS TO INVESTORS.

AND, BUT IF THAT'S A SUCCESS STORY ON, ON SIXTH STREET, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE MUCH MORE OPEN TO THEM WHEN THEY TAKE THAT BUSINESS PLAN TO A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN THAT WE FEEL IS VERY ICONIC.

LIKE I DON'T, I'M NOT NAMING, I DON'T KNOW OF SOMETHING THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO, BUT, UM, I JUST, I THINK THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE ON THE LIVE MUSIC FUND HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY CRITICAL AND WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, OF BRINGING A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THE TABLE ON THAT.

AND I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN DO IT AGAIN.

I THINK THIS IS OUR NEXT, OUR NEXT SUCCESS STORY.

UM, SO, UM, AND WE CAN CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION, BUT SO WHAT WE, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER VOTE TO CHANGE THE NAME.

CUZ LAST TIME WE VOTED TO FORM A CONVENTION CENTER WORKING GROUP.

SO IF WE'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH THIS IDEA, WE WOULD CHANGE IT AND THEN JUST DEFINE LIKE HOW MANY COMMISSIONERS AND HOW MANY COMMUNITY NON NON-CITY OFFICIALS OR, YOU KNOW, NON COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE ON THE WORKING GROUP.

SO ANY, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE, LIKE I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE WOULD DO LIKE THREE, THREE OR FOUR COMMISSIONERS AND THEN WE'D INVITE TWO OR THREE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND THAT IF THE, IF ARTS DOES THE SAME, THAT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD NUMBER.

COULD WE INCLUDE A DEVELOPER OR TWO BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE TENSION REALLY IS.

MM-HMM AND LET'S JUST FACE IT HEAD ON, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE, WHEN YOU MEET SOMEBODY AND DO 'EM FACE TO FACE, THERE'S A BETTER SHOT AT MM-HMM COMPROMISE, COMPROMISE THEN IF YOU'RE OPPOSED IN SEPARATE CAMPS.

YEAH.

SO ABSOLUTELY LIKE LET'S IN LET'S INVITE OR LET'S FIND, I MEAN, WE'LL KEEP INVITING UNTIL WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S INTERESTED, BUT I THINK WE WILL FIND SOMEBODY WHO'S INTERESTED PRETTY QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I MEAN MY EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU CALL THESE

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GROUPS, LIKE, THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, WE'LL TALK TO YOU.

WE WANNA TALK TO YOU.

LIKE THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BE MAD AT THEM.

, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T, IT ONLY SLOWS THINGS DOWN.

SO I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY YES, SO REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONAL AS PART OF THE GROUP.

SO THAT'S ONE POINT.

AND WHAT ABOUT HAVING, UM, WHAT ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COMING UP FOR ME ABOUT THE WORKING GROUP DYNAMIC, YOU POINTED OUT HOW GREAT IT IS TO HAVE SMALLER AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE WITH A VERY CLEAR, UH, COMMITMENT TO NOT DRAGGING IT ON SO THAT IT'S ALWAYS LAGGING BEHIND ACTUAL POLICY MAKING AND SO FORTH IS IT FEELS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE PEOPLE ON THE WORKING GROUP WHO CAN HELP WITH THE REALITY OF THE PROBLEM OF, OF NEEDING, NOT JUST TO HAVE GREAT IDEAS AND TO PUT FORWARD RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT TO FIND WAYS TO ASK THE QUESTION IN EFFECTIVE WAYS WITH IMPACT DOES THE CITY, AS WELL AS AUSTIN BUSINESS OWNERS VALUE MUSICIANS AS A CULTURAL AND TAX GENERATING POPULATION ENOUGH, ALONG WITH THE BLUE COLLAR WORKING CLASS IN GENERAL, TO ACTUALLY MANDATE AND MANIFEST AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ALL DISTRICTS RIGHT NOW ARE AT A HIGH RISK OF GENTRIFICATION AND THE TREND OF HOUSE FLIPPING BY OUTSIDERS AND THE WELCOMING AND OVERLOOKING OF REGULATING SHORT TERM RENTAL USE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS REAL.

AND WHEN WE KEEP DOING WORKING GROUPS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND NOTHING'S ACTUALLY CHANGING, IT FEELS LIKE THERE ISN'T THE WILL TO ACTUALLY MAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BEEN DISCUSSIONS.

AND THE VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE OF TALKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND TRIED TO BROKER DEALS WITH NEIGHBORHOODS AND DEVELOPERS, THE DEVELOPERS SAY FLAT OUT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN MAKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THEM BECAUSE THE PROPERTY VALUE DOESN'T EQUATE ANY KIND OF MOTIVATION TO MAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF JUST A FEW UNITS, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY MAKE AN IMPACT MM-HMM , AND THAT'S THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND ALL OF US KNOW THAT.

SO THE ONLY THING I GET LIKE WORRIED ABOUT IS CONTINUING TO MAKE WORKING GROUPS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT FOLLOW ON DEAF EARS WHEN, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY A WILL TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND SO SOMETIMES I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE WORKING GROUP ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING FRONT AND CENTER THAT REALITY.

AND IT MIGHT SOUND LIKE NEGATIVITY, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE HISTORICALLY WHEN WE LOOK BACK ON THIS PARTICULAR THING IN THE DIRECTION THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR THE LACK OF IS GOING IN THIS CITY, THAT IT'S JUST LIKE, WELL, WE HAVE TO KEEP WORKING.

WE HAVE TO KEEP TRYING, BUT WHAT KIND OF WORKING GROUP IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO POWERFULLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ADDRESS THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ACTUAL WILL TO MAKE IT HAPPEN ON THE PART OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RECEIVING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

YEAH.

SO I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT, UM, THE MUSIC COMMISSION HAS TAKEN UP AFFORDABLE HOUSING SPECIFICALLY.

UM, I KNOW THAT PROBABLY OTHER COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS HAVE DEALT WITH THE QUESTION AND IT IS, I AGREE.

LIKE IT DOES FEEL LIKE, UM, RIGHT NOW DEVELOPERS, LIKE THEY, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE EVEN LIKE A COLLECTIVE WILL THROUGHOUT LIKE THE CITIZENS OF AUSTIN.

LIKE WE WOULD LIKE IT, BUT WE WERE KIND OF SHRUGGING AND SAYING LIKE SO MANY TIMES I HEAR LIKE, WELL, DEVELOPERS HAVE TO MAKE THEIR PROFITS AND OKAY.

YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S TRUE, BUT LIKE, LET'S LOOK AT, LIKE I WAS SAYING EARLIER, LIKE, HOPEFULLY WE CAN DEFINE THIS IN A CERTAIN WAY AND I'M NOT, SO I'M NOT SURE SPEC, I MEAN, ALL YOUR POINTS REALLY SALIENT PATRICE.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE TO GO INTO THIS WITH THAT SOBER REALITY.

UM, I THINK THE IDEA OF INCLUDING A DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVE OR SOMEBODY THAT WORKS FOR A DEVELOPER ON THE, IN THE WORKING GROUP WOULD BE HELPFUL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER LIKE PATRICE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC IN MIND, LIKE WHO WE COULD INCLUDE FROM OUTSIDE THE COMMISSION THAT, UM, I THINK MAYBE RATHER THAN HAVING A DEVELOPER, MAYBE HAVING SOMEONE WHO PROFESSIONALLY WORKS WITH DEVELOPERS AND CITY SO THAT THEY CAN BE ADVISING THE WORKING GROUP WHILE THE WORKING GROUP IS

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ACTUALLY DOING THEIR WORK MM-HMM .

SO THAT, THAT LANGUAGING, AND ALSO JUST BEING LIKE AT THE FOREFRONT OF AWARENESS OF HOW THESE CONVERSATIONS REALLY GO DOWN IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

YEAH.

I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I MEAN, THERE ARE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, LOBBYISTS THAT WORK BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WORK BETWEEN THE CITY AND DEVELOPERS, THEY WORK FOR THE DEVELOPERS.

UM, YEAH.

DID YOU HAVE THOUGHT CHRIS? WELL, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I LIKE TO BE A REALIST.

IT STILL GOES BACK TO OUR CITY OFFICIALS BECAUSE THEY DEVELOPERS ASK FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THINGS.

AND THEN THERE IS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO MEET.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S USUALLY, WELL, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE YOUR, YOUR INVESTORS HAPPY, SO YOU'RE GONNA DO THE MINIMAL.

AND SO IT GOES BACK TO OUR CITY OFFICIALS BECAUSE THEY'RE WRITING THE CRITERIA, WHAT THOSE MINIMALS, THEY HAVE TO MEET THAT CRITERIA.

SO UNTIL OUR CITY OFFICIALS CHANGE THAT CRITERIA WHERE THOSE MINIMALS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU HAVE TO RISE THEN IT'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU WANT ON ANY KIND OF WORKING GROUP, BUT IT'S STILL, I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT'S GOTTA BE UP TO OUR CITY TO GO, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY NEED A, THESE REQUIREMENTS SEEM TO GO UP, YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF FIVE ONLY AFFORDABLE HOUSINGS PER THIS UNIT, YOU NEED TO MEET AT LEAST 15 OR WHATEVER THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT IS.

BUT THAT'S UP TO OUR CITY.

THE DEVELOPERS ARE ALWAYS GONNA DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THEIR INVESTORS BECAUSE IT'S A BUSINESS.

SO IT'S UP TO OUR CITY TO HELP OUR CITY BY RAISING THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT'S JUST BLACK AND WHITE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IN MY OPINION, I'M NO EXPERT IN THIS, BUT JUST LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE IN, I GO, WE NEED SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY THERE THAT ACTUALLY MAKES THOSE DECISIONS, NOT A DEVELOPER, NOT MORE COMMISSIONERS, CUZ WE ARE GONNA HAVE, WE GONNA HAVE ALL KINDS OF AMAZING RECOMMENDATIONS.

BUT UNLESS WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S ACTUALLY IN THAT ROOM WITH OUR CITY OFFICIALS THAT ARE MAKING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO MEET IT, IT'S JUST, THEY'RE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS.

MM-HMM I WOULD THINK, YEAH, I WOULD JUST ADD TOO, THAT CHRIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

AND I'M JUST SAYING THIS BECAUSE HAVING SPOKEN TO DEVELOPERS IN THE CASE OF THE, TRYING TO PUT THE VENUE WHERE THE OPERA HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY, THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS WITH TOBO STAFF.

THE CONVERSATION WAS EXACTLY THAT THEY WANTED THE DEVELOPER TO RAISE THE AMOUNT OF UNITS IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT THEY WERE WANTING.

AND THE MINIMUM THAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO THE DEVELOPER WAS VERY MINIMAL AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT HE DO AT LEAST THAT.

AND SO THEY SIGNED UP FOR THAT AND THEY WERE, THEY WOULD NOT, ACCORDING TO THE DEVELOPER, THEY DID NOT QUALIFY FOR THE OTHER ONES SOMEHOW, WHICH WERE THE, I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE DETAILS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IT FELT LIKE A DEAD END STREET WHEN IT CAME TO ACTUALLY TRYING TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER WILL TO MAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND FOR THE STAFF OF THE COUNCILWOMAN IN 7 0 4 7 8, 7 0 4, WHICH IS BEING HIGHLY IMPACTED BY THIS, UM, THAT THERE WAS JUST NO WAY TO, TO BROKER A DEAL THERE.

SO WHAT CHRIS IS SAYING IS JUST REALLY ACCURATE AND WELL PUT, I WANNA EMPHASIZE, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT HAVING SOME SORT OF AN INTER INTERMEDIARY CAN BE HELPFUL TO MAKE THIS WORK, BUT I STILL STAND THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ENEMY YOU CANNOT EVER MAKE GROUND UNLESS YOU FACE THEM.

AND SO IF WE HAVE A DEVELOPER, PARTICULARLY A DEVELOPER THAT WE DON'T LIKE WHO CAN DECIDE, YOU KNOW, CAN STAND THERE AND STATE THEIR POSITIONS.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE PROGRESS BECAUSE THEIR POSITIONS, AS CHRIS SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ABOUT MAKING MONEY.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THEIR BUTTS TO MAKE EVERY SINGLE DIME AND THE, THE FANTASY OF COMMUNITY, UH, WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A FANTASY IN THESE SITUATIONS.

AND, AND SO I ALWAYS LIKE TO FACE THE PERSON THAT I THINK I'M ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF, BECAUSE I FEEL FOR ME THAT BREAKS DOWN THE MORE IMPORTANT WALLS THAN THE ONE.

BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING WITH JUST INTERMEDIARIES OR JUST CITY PEOPLE, YOU DON'T EVER REALLY GET A CHANCE TO FACE THE HARD QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT TO FACE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS HAVE THE MONEY AND WE DON'T.

YEAH.

AND THE OTHER REALITY IS A DEVELOPER WILL THEN SAY, WELL, IF I HAVE TO DO THAT, AND IT'S NOT AS LUCRATIVE AS I WANTED IT TO BE, I'M JUST GONNA SIT ON IT FOR A FEW MORE MONTHS AND SELL IT FOR MORE MONEY.

SO THE CITY HAS TO INTERVENE OR THAT'LL JUST KEEP HAPPENING.

I JUST DUNNO.

I'M JUST NOT CONFIDENT.

THE CITY WILL INTERVENE IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

I THINK SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE HAS TO BE HAMMERED OUT AND MOST COMPROMISES ARE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT I WANNA SEE PROGRESS IN THIS BECAUSE

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I DO SEE OUR CITY, I, WE ALL DO, BUT I, I, I SEE OUR CITY REALLY GOING TO WHAT I'D MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, GOING TO HOLLYWOOD OR I'M GOING TO VEGAS, YOU KNOW, SOON ENOUGH.

AND I FEEL THAT IF WE CAN ADDRESS THE PEOPLE THAT WE PERCEIVE ARE, YOU KNOW, THIS PROBLEM, WE AT LEAST WILL KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND WE DO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ON OUR SIDES, THERE ARE SOME BIG DEVELOPERS AND BIG REAL ESTATE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT MUSIC AND MIGHT BE ABLE TO EVEN MEDIATE FOR US IN SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS.

MM-HMM UM, YEAH.

SO I THINK Y'ALL HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S TWO SIDES TO THIS COIN.

I MEAN, THERE IS THE THERE'S THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT SIDE AND WELL, IN TERMS OF PEOPLE REALLY AT THE FOREFRONT OF MAKING THE DECISIONS IN THE CITY PART OF THIS, AND I DID WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, DAVID GRAY, THE NEW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS WITH US AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, DOES DEAL WITH THESE PROBLEMS. SO DAVID'S PROBABLY LISTENING TO US.

AND I'M, IF YOU, DID YOU, IN TERMS OF HAVING SOMEONE FROM THE CITY BE PART OF A WORKING GROUP AND KIM, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALLOWED BUT UH, LAUREN'S NODDING.

YES, IT IS.

DAVID, WHAT ARE YOUR, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS? I, DON'T NO PRESSURE TO FORCE YOU TO JUMP IN ON THIS.

I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE, THIS IS A, THIS IS A TOUGH, TOUGH TOPIC, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THEM.

SURE.

I MEAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR HAVING THE DISCUSSION.

UM, IT DEFINITELY IS A TOUGH DISCUSSION AND A DIFFERENT CULT DISCUSSION TO WORK THROUGH.

UH, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMISSION, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH KIM AND BRING ERICA UP TO SPEED MM-HMM UH, FIRST, BEFORE PROVIDING OFFICIAL COMMENTS BACK FROM, FROM ED D UH, IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? I KNOW, OF COURSE I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES.

I KNOW KIM'S ALSO BEEN TAKING NOTES.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GIVE ERICA AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET UP TO SPEED ON THE DISCUSSION.

YEAH, I, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT'S FINE.

SO WE, WE'VE DEFINITELY KIND OF SPRUNG THE AFFORDABILITY DISCUSSION, UH, ON YOU, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SUCH A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND ALSO THE A E D C WE FORMED A GOOD RELATIONSHIP THERE.

SO WE WOULD LOVE ANY ADVICE THAT YOU CAN GIVE US ON HOW TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH THIS WORKING GROUP THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

UH, AND ALSO CONGRATULATIONS.

AND THANKS FOR, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE, YOU'RE BACK WITH ED D.

UM, AWESOME.

WELL, THANK YOU.

YEAH, SO WE WILL DEFINITELY, UM, PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AS SOON AS ERICA'S BACK IN TOWN FROM HER TRIP.

UH, AND THEN WE COULD BE PREPARED TO THE COMMISSION AT YOUR NEXT MEETING WITH SOME IDEAS.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO I THINK ARTS ARTS WILL BE TAKING THIS UP AS WELL.

LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHEN THEY'RE, OUR MEETING'S BEEN PUSHED BACK FOR A WEEK, SO THERE'S MAYBE LIKE IMMINENT.

UM, THEIRS MIGHT BE NEXT MONDAY.

I THINK THEY'RE MEETING NEXT MONDAY.

SO THEY MAY HAVE SOME SIMILAR QUESTIONS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE DISCUSSING THE SAME AGENDA ITEM, HOW TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

UM, SO WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? SO WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND, UM, WE NEED TO VOTE TO CHANGE THE NAME AND SCOPE OF THE WORKING GROUP.

AND THEN, SO, AND THEN IN A MONTH, IF DAVID, IF YOU AND THE, AND ERICA KIM CAN COME BACK TO US WITH SOME, UH, SUGGESTIONS AND ALSO WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE ARTS COMMISSION HAS DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF.

SO, SO NOW I THINK THE, THE QUESTION IS REALLY LIKE, WHO DO WE INCLUDE FROM OUTSIDE THE COMMISSIONS IN THE GROUP, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE WANNA NAIL DOWN.

SO HELP FROM THE CITY ON THAT.

AND, AND ALSO GETTING THE ARTS COMMISSION, FINDING OUT WHAT THEY DISCUSS ON THIS WILL BE REALLY HELPFUL.

UM, AND I WILL TELL, I WILL ALSO TALK TO SELENA THE CHAIR OF THE ARTS COMMISSION AND, AND GIVE THEM THE INPUT THAT EVERYBODY'S HAD TONIGHT TO.

SO THEY CAN, IF, IF THAT HELPS INFORM THEIR DISCUSSION SOMEWHAT.

BUT YEAH, I, I DEFINITELY AGREE.

LIKE WE NEED MORE EXPERTISE THEN, UM, WHAT'S SITTING AT THIS TABLE, LIKE NONE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOBODY HERE IS LIKE A WEALTHY, UH, DEVELOPER.

SO IF YOU ARE, YOU ARE BUYING DINNER TONIGHT, BUT, UM, NO, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA REITERATE, LIKE, I, I SEE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTNERSHIP HERE.

LIKE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO AFTER ANYBODY.

WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BRIDGE A GAP.

AND SO THAT EVERY TIME THESE THINGS COME UP, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THE, THE OPERA HOUSE, LIKE THAT'S BEEN A BIG PAIN POINT AND IF WE CAN GET SOME PRECEDENCE SET IN PLACE AND HELP, AND THE, AND THE CITY CAN HELP REDEFINE THE RULES A LITTLE BIT, THEN IT WILL BE BETTER FOR DEVELOPERS

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TOO.

LIKE THEY JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANNA GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND HAVE 50 NEIGHBORS CALL IN AND BE ANGRY WITH THEM.

YOU KNOW, THEY WANT THINGS TO RUN SMOOTHLY TOO.

SO IT'S NOT, I DON'T SEE IT AS A FIGHT.

I JUST SEE IT AS PROBLEM SOLVING.

SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE FORM INSTEAD OF A CONVENTION CENTER WORKING GROUP, WE FORM, UM, A LAND URBAN CORE LAND USE WORKING GROUP.

SO WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SECOND THAT, SO WE HAVE COMMISSION SULLIVAN SECONDS AND ALL IN FAVOR AI.

SO WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY HERE.

SO, UH, YEAH, SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THIS UP AGAIN WITH MORE INFORMATION ON IT IN THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL IDENTIFY WHO'S GONNA BE IN THAT GROUP.

AND, BUT YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO BE IN THAT GROUP AND, UM, I DON'T NEED TO SHARE IT, BUT, UM, ANY, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL THINK ABOUT IT.

SO I THINK AGAIN, LIKE THREE OR FOUR COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE GOOD.

AND AGAIN, WE'LL SEE WHAT ARTS DETERMINES ON THAT.

UM, YEAH, I, I, I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT I, I TOTALLY OF COURSE SUPPORT, UH, A JOINT WORKING GROUP AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT BOTH THE CULTURAL ARTS AND THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, UM, THAT SHARE, UM, HERE IN THE CITY.

SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VALUABLE TO HAVE THAT.

UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THOUGH THAT, UM, WE HAVE A SEPARATE MUSIC COMMISSION AND A CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS ALSO TEND TO BE VASTLY DIFFERENT.

WE ARE OPERATING IN A PURELY COMMERCIAL MUSIC, UH, ECOSYSTEM HERE, WHEREAS CULTURAL ARTS HAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF ECOSYSTEM.

SO, UM, I THINK, UM, WE SHOULD ADDRESS THE COMMONALITIES WITHIN THIS WORKING GROUP, BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE IS, THERE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY, AT LEAST SOME DIFFERENT CONCERNS BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS AND THAT WE ARE ALSO TACKLING THOSE IN SOME, UH, FINAL MECHANISM TO ADDRESS THOSE AS WELL.

YEAH.

I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING TO IDENTIFY GOING INTO THIS.

SO THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.

UM, BECAUSE THE, IN CULTURAL ARTS YOU'RE DEALING WITH ENDEAVORS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY INTEND OR EXPECT TO MAKE A PROFIT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

IT'S A PATRONAGE MODEL.

UM, WHEREAS COMMERCIAL MUSIC, LIKE THAT IS THE GOAL.

SO IT, IT DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, BUT WE, YEAH.

SO JUST GETTING THAT ON THE TABLE FROM THE GET GO AND THINKING NA GALI FOR, FOR STATING IT.

SO WHILE I THINK THAT'LL BE REALLY IMPORTANT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE JUST MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT DON'T, THAT DON'T APPLY.

AND I, WE DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BUTT HEADS WITH ARTS OVER THAT STUFF.

WE'LL JUST ADDRESS, LIKE, AS YOU SAID, THAT'S A PERFECT WAY TO PUT IT, WE'LL ADDRESS THE COMMONALITIES.

UM, AND, UH, YEAH, SO I THINK THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION, LIKE WE'VE REALLY IDENTIFIED THE THINGS TO FOCUS ON.

UM, AND I APPRECIATE LIKE THE, THE KNOWLEDGE THAT PATRICE BRINGS TO THIS WITH THE, THE RECENT ISSUE WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS, WITH THE OPERA HOUSE, LIKE ALL OF US CAN THINK ABOUT THE HOUSING OF AFFORDABILITY SPACE, WE'VE SEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGE.

UM, SO I, I, I DO WANNA SAY ONE THING THOUGH ABOUT THAT.

YEAH.

GO AHEAD.

IN REGARDS TO THAT.

AND, AND, AND, UM, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE IS SAYING HERE, ESPECIALLY PATRICE, WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BEING SMART AND DILIGENT ABOUT FINDING SOME REALLY GOOD SOLUTIONS FOR, FOR, FOR THIS, AND BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT AND, AND CREATE THAT CHANGE.

I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE VERY, UM, POWERFUL.

I THINK THAT WHAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE SHORT 990,000 HOMES IN THIS COUNTRY OVERALL FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM EAST COAST TO WEST COAST.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE OF LUMBER HAS ALSO, UM, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY MATERIALS HAVE GONE UP, BUT LUMBER WENT UP LIKE 500% IN, UM, IN 2021.

AND SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF AN, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S INFLATION, IT'S AN IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY AN ECONOMIC CRISIS.

IT'S A HOUSING CRISIS AND IT'S NOT JUST AUSTIN AND IT'S NOT JUST TEXAS.

IT'S NOT JUST THE UNITED STATES.

IT'S REALLY HAPPENING LIKE WORLDWIDE.

IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM.

UM, AND I THINK THAT IN UNORDINARY TIMES ARE GONNA CAUSE FOR UNORDINARY SOLUTIONS.

AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY JUST TO REALLY KIND OF HAMMERING ON WHAT PATRICE IS SAYING.

I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE DILIGENT ABOUT,

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UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

I MEAN, IT, I, I HAVE KIND OF BEEN SORT OF QUIET THESE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A, LIKE, LIKE A, LIKE A BATTLE THAT WE HAD ALREADY LOST IN TERMS OF THE NEW CONVENTION CENTER, IN TERMS OF, UM, PROPERTY VALUES GOING UP, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

BUT I REALLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, BUT WE'LL, I MEAN, MEAN WE'RE GONNA TRY AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE, THAT WE OFFER SOME SERIOUS SOLUTIONS, GONNA TAKE THOSE SOLUTIONS TO THE MAT AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE DEVELOPERS, DILIGENTLY WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THESE DEVELOPERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA GUT OUT OUR BARS AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT HIGH RISES IN THEM, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT MUSICIANS AND ARTISTS HAVE A SPOT IN AN ECONOMY.

THAT'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THIS ECOSYSTEM THAT, THAT, THAT IS BEGINNING TO REVITALIZE AND REBUILD.

UM, BUT IT IS NOWHERE WHERE IT, IT, IT STILL USED TO BE.

UM, SO I I'LL I'LL STOP THERE.

YEAH.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

UH, OKAY.

I THINK IF THAT'S EVERYTHING ON THIS ITEM, WE'VE MADE SOME DECISIONS AND WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT NEXT TIME.

[5. Discussion and possible action following presentation by Kim McCarson, Program Manager, Music & Entertainment Division, on Hotel Occupancy Tax collections on the Live Music Fund.]

UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS, UH, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

FOLLOWING PRESENTATION BY KIM MCCA CARSON PROGRAM MANAGER FROM MUSIC INTER ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION, UH, WITH AN UPDATE ON HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX COLLECTION FOR THE LIVE MUSIC FUND.

AND WE HAVE A HANDOUT FOR THAT.

HELLO, UH, KIM MC CARSON, A PROGRAM MANAGER FOR MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT, AND, UH, SEE ON THE SCREEN, THEY'VE GOT THE PRESENTATION UP.

SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS REALLY A ONE SLIDE PRESENTATION.

I THINK YOU'VE SEEN MOST OF THIS BEFORE.

AND, UH, JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS THAT I WANNA POINT OUT THE, UH, SYNOVIA WANTED TO, UH, MAKE SURE I MENTION WAS, UH, THAT THE REVENUE POSTED TO DATE IS THE $1,546,128 THAT THE COLLECTIONS, UH, OF ARE 71% ABOVE BUDGET.

AND SO FOR THAT, YOU'LL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COLUMN THERE UNDER JULY, THE NUMBER I JUST GAVE AND THEN THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE REVENUE TRANSFER WILL BE MADE AT THE YEAR END.

AND OF COURSE THAT'S IN THAT'S IN SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 30TH IS OUR FISCAL YEAR END.

AND, UH, THAT WE'RE ON TRACK TO EXCEED THE FISCAL YEAR 22 BUDGET FOR THE LIVE MUSIC FUND PROGRAM.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THAT IS GREAT NEWS.

SO, UM, AND THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH THAT, KIM.

SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO I'M SEEING, SO THE PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR 2122 WERE, UM, ABOUT 2.5 MILLION, WHICH, UM, WE DID NOT SPEND.

AND 22, UH, AS THE, THE PROGRAM IS STILL WE'RE IN A RFP PROCESS RIGHT NOW FOR THE, UM, THE THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR.

AND SO THEN WE'LL HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS.

AND THEN, UM, THE HOPE IS THAT THINGS WILL BE, UM, FUNDS WILL BE STARTING TO BE DISPERSED IN 2023.

AND SO THEN I SEE WE HAVE AN ENDING BALANCE OF, UH, 2.3 MILLION, BUT ACTUALLY WE WON'T HAVE SPENT THE $2.5 MILLION.

SO GIVING US, UM, SO I'M, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS I'M WONDERING WHAT, UH, LIKE WHAT THAT NEXT COLUMN WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR 2223 AND JUST TO GET, UH, KIND OF THE BIGGER PICTURE OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE GOT FOR THE PROGRAM IN 23.

LIKE, UM, CUZ I KNOW THAT COUNCIL VOTED ON A SPECIFIC AMOUNT TO BE DISPERSED, WHICH WAS THE 2.3 MILLION CUZ THAT'S WHAT WE HAD AT THE TIME.

UM, BUT I'M WONDERING, CAN WE SPEND MORE IN 23 SINCE WE'VE UM, HAD A, SINCE THE PROGRAM WASN'T, UH, WASN'T LAUNCHED WHEN WE WERE INITIALLY THINKING IT WOULD BE MM-HMM UM, SO YEAH, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO WORK WITH AND FOR 23 AND IN 24 AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT, UM, WHAT WE WERE CALLING YEAR TWO AND VENUES ARE COMING ON BOARD.

SO THOSE ARE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, LIKE WHAT IS, WHAT IS YEAR TWO NOW AND HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO SPEND, LIKE IS 23 YEAR TWO.

AND SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, DOES THAT MAKE, AND I'M DOES THAT MAKE, IS THAT CLEAR? B COULD HAVE PROBABLY PUT THAT WAY BETTER.

I'M SORRY FOR NOT DID IT.

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UM, YEAH, SO YOU MAY, I I'M, SO I'M JUST THROWING THOSE OUT THERE, BUT IF WE COULD KNOW THAT BY THE OCTOBER MEETING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I CAN CERTAINLY PASS ON ANY QUESTIONS, UH, TO, TO SYNOVIA AND SEE I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUDGET, MAYBE THE BUDGET, BUT, UM, BUT I WILL CERTAINLY TAKE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE INCLUDING THIS ONE AND PASS THAT ALONG.

OKAY.

UH, SENSE SOME ANSWERS AROUND TO EVERYBODY.

UM, AND SO THEN ALSO REGARDING BUDGET.

AND SO I HAD SEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL WAS WORKING THROUGH THEIR BUDGET PROCESS AND UH, THERE HAD BEEN A VERSION OF THIS PROVIDED TO THEM THAT DID GO INTO THAT MORE DETAIL FOR 2223.

SO OF COURSE THEY NEEDED TO, TO LOOK AT THAT.

AND SO I KNOW THE, WHAT WAS IN THE BUDGET AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOT APPROVED ULTIMATELY, BUT WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED WAS THE, THE MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION HAD LIKE A, LIKE A EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET TO WORK WITH.

SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT LIKE HOW MUCH OF THAT COMES FROM THE MUSIC FUND AND THEN WHAT OTHER PROGRAMS IN ADDITION TO THE LIVE MUSIC FUND ARE, ARE FUNDED THROUGH THAT MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION BUDGET.

I MEAN, IT'S ALL GOOD NEWS.

SO WE JUST WANNA HEAR MORE OF, OF THE GOOD NEWS SURE.

YEAH.

UM, BUT YEAH, SO I MEAN, DEFINITELY IT LOOKED LIKE GENERALLY SPEAKING, LIKE THE MUSIC DIVISION HAS A HEALTHY BUDGET TO WORK WITH, SO WE'RE JUST EXCITED.

I'M, I'M EXCITED TO THINK ABOUT, WELL, IS THERE MORE MONEY IN THE, IN THE KITTY FOR THE LIVE MUSIC FUND, BUT ALSO WHAT, WHAT PROGRAMS Y'ALL ARE GONNA BE FUNDING IN 23 THAT AREN'T HOT FUNDED.

YEAH.

I'LL, I'LL LET ERICA, UH, ADDRESS THE PROGRAMS QUESTION ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY WHAT PROGRAMS AND IF YOU, IF SHE WANTS TO GET INTO AMOUNTS PER PROGRAM OR THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE CS A PROGRAM IS INCLUDED IN THAT AMOUNT EITHER.

UM, BUT, UM, BUT I WILL DEFINITELY PASS THAT ALONG.

I THINK ERICA WOULD BE THE BEST ONE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S SUPER, I HAVE A QUESTION AND IT'S PROBABLY BEEN ASKED, BUT IT HASN'T GOT THROUGH MY THICK GOAL YET IS THAT THE HOT TAX COMES AND THE CONVENTION CENTER GENERATES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND RECEIVES A GREAT DEAL OF THE HOT TAX, LIKE 67 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE MUSIC COM AND THEY'RE, THEY'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES.

SO THEY'RE ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT IN THE HOLE.

THE MUSIC COMMUNITY GENERATES WHAT 450 $500 MILLION A YEAR.

AND WE GET, UH, WHAT A MILLION AND A HALF A YEAR IS THAT PROPORTION, RIGHT? IS ISN'T THERE.

LIKE IF WE'RE BRINGING IN THIS MUCH MONEY, SHOULDN'T WE BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A LARGER PERCENTAGE OF THE HOT TAX, CUZ WE COULD CERTAINLY USE IT.

YOU, YOU WANNA GO TO WAR WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION, WHAT YOU WANNA GO TO WAR WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION I'D LIKE I'D VOL INVOLVE THEM TOO, BUT YEAH.

I, I MEAN IT'S, IT, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE A REASONABLE QUESTION AND YOUR ANSWER IS REASONABLE TOO.

NO, NO, NO, NO.

IT'S, IT'S REASONABLE.

I HAVEN'T ASKED HIM BECAUSE, BUT, BUT I I'M WILLING TO ASK IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING OLD AND I PROBABLY WON'T BE HERE MUCH LONGER, SO I MIGHT AS WELL JUST SAY EVERYTHING YEAH.

OKAY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I THINK THAT WAS A QUESTION.

I DON'T THINK I WAS EXPECTED AN ANSWER, BUT IT WAS A QUESTION.

YEAH.

WELL, YEAH, SO THOSE PERCENTAGES I KNOW WERE SET BY POLICY ALREADY.

UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON, ON, ON THAT.

UM, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

BUT UM, YEAH, I DO KNOW THAT THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE ALREADY SET AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS IN STATUTE OR IF IT WAS CITY POLICY, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT UH, WELL STATUES BEEN, YOU KNOW, ALTER WELL STEWART, UH,