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WHAT'S UP.

WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD.

AS SOON AS I SEE THE CAMERA SHIFT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND CONVENE TODAY'S, UH, COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

IT IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2022.

WE'RE IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION ROOM HERE AT, UH, CITY HALL.

UH, AND, UM, UM, WE HAVE A AGENDA LAID OUT IN FRONT OF US COLLEAGUES TODAY.

UH, WE HAVE, UM, PULLED ITEMS, BASICALLY FIVE TOPICS IN OUR PULLED ITEMS. ONE IS PARKLAND DEDICATION.

I THINK THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS RELATED TO THAT.

WE HAVE, UH, THE COUNCILMAN BULL HOUSE, TWO ITEMS RELATED TO THAT TWO ITEMS RELATED TO THE CONVENTION CENTER GARAGE.

I SAID FIVE IT'S ACTUALLY SIX.

WE HAVE AN ITEM RELATED TO THE LICENSE PLATE READERS.

WE HAVE THREE ITEMS RELATED TO THE PETITION ON POLICE OVERSIGHT, AND WE HAVE, UH, ONE ITEM ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT REGULATING PLAN.

SO SIX TOPICS IN FRONT OF US.

WE ALSO HAVE, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, UM, PRINCIPALLY TO, TO HAVE OUR INTRODUCTORY MEETING WITH, UM, UH, HR ON THE THREE, UH, COUNCIL, UM, UH, APPOINTEES, THE CLERK, CITY CLERK, CITY AUDITOR, AND THE MUNICIPAL COURT CLERK, JUST PERSONNEL SESSION.

UH, THERE'S ALSO BEEN A REQUEST FOR, UM, UH, VISITING ABOUT THE SDRS.

UH, SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS WE HAVE ON EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, AND THEN, UM, UM, WE HAVE, I THINK WE

[D. Council Discussion]

OUGHT TO PROBABLY BEGIN WITH JUST A QUICK DISCUSSION ABOUT LOGISTICS ON THURSDAY, UH, GIVEN WHERE WE, WHERE WE MIGHT BE.

UM, SO LET'S START WITH THAT CONVERSATION HERE REAL FAST, UH, OR, OR, AND THEN LET'S GET INTO IT.

I THINK AT THE END OF THAT CONVERSATION, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THE LIKE, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THURSDAY.

UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE.

UH, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, UM, SO LET'S BEGIN FIRST WITH A DISCUSSION OF THURSDAY LOGISTICS.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT, UH, SOME OF US ARE BEING APPROACHED WITH A REQUEST TO SET A TIME CERTAIN ON THE POLICING ITEMS, UH, IN THE EVENING, I'M TOLD THAT AT THIS POINT, UM, THAT THERE ARE, UH, ROUGHLY 60 PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK HERE ON TUESDAY.

UM, UH, I'VE HEARD, UH, ESTIMATES THAT, UH, BY THE TIME WE GET TO THURSDAY, WE COULD HAVE, UM, UH, A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE SIGNING UP TO SPEAK OR SIGNING UP TO SPEAK ON THE TWO POLICING MATTERS, UH, THE LICENSE PLATE READER AND ON THE, UM, ON THE, ON THE PETITION.

UM, AND THERE'LL ALSO BE REQUEST KIND OF TO CHANGE HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING, UH, THESE ITEMS AND, AND THE LIKE, SO I WANTED TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO ENTER TO THAT CONVERSATION TODAY, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, OPPOSED TO THURSDAY, UM, LAST MEETING WAS THE FIRST TIME I CAN REMEMBER THAT WE ACTUALLY, UM, UH, DID NOT HAVE AND SUSTAIN A VOTE TO EXTEND PAST 10.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS GOING FORWARD.

UH, BUT WHAT IT MIGHT MEAN IS WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND FIGURE OUT THOSE THINGS THAT WE JUST POSTPONE, UH, UH, OR MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT MIDAFTERNOON AND SAY, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE TODAY? UH, AND WE START, UH, POSTPONING, UH, ITEMS. I WOULD URGE EVERYBODY, IF YOU HAVE A SMALL QUESTION ON SOMETHING OR AN INFORMATION QUESTION TO REALLY TRY TO GET IT ANSWERED IN Q AND A, UH, OR DURING A BREAK, UH, RATHER THAN HAVING TO ASK THOSE QUE RATHER THAN HAVING TO PULL ITEMS TO, UH, ASK QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE MY INTENT ON SMALL ITEMS THAT GET PULLED THAT WAY TO CONSIDER THEM LAST.

AFTER WE HAVE, UH, GONE THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THE AGENDA ON THINGS THAT MIGHT BE OF GREATER CONCERN TO, TO MORE PEOPLE ON THE, UH, ON THE DAIS.

I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF AS MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AS I CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HANDLE THE THINGS THAT ARE OF GREATEST INTEREST TO THE MOST PEOPLE, UH, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT, UH, DOESN'T UM, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE GET THEM DONE REGARDLESS OF HOW, UH, THE REST OF THE DAY PLAYS OUT.

SO BEFORE WE WENT IN, I WANTED TO GIVE OPEN UP THE FLOOR JUST FOR EVERYBODY TO TALK ABOUT THURSDAY, IF THEY WANTED TO KATHY MAYOR, I HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT

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OF LOGISTIC.

I HAVE SOME LOGISTICAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU ABOUT TODAY AS WELL.

DO YOU WANT ME TO START WITH THOSE OR ON THURSDAYS? SO IN TERMS OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, I NEED TO STEP OUT FOR JUST, UM, AND BE VIRTUAL DURING THAT FOR A LITTLE PIECE OF IT.

SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE TAKING UP THE PERSONNEL ITEMS FIRST OR THE LEGAL BRIEFING ON SDRS I'M COMFORTABLE TAKING UP EITHER WAY THAT ENSURES THAT YOU CAN BE THERE FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO BE THERE FOR? I CAN, I CAN ALSO MANAGE IT WHICHEVER WAY.

UM, THEN I, THEN I'D PROBABLY TAKE UP THE PERSONNEL MATTERS FIRST AND AT THE END OF THAT TOUCH BASE ON THE SDRS AS WE'RE HEADING BACK OUT.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

I JUST NEED TO BE IN FRONT OF MY FOLDERS FOR SDRS.

AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THURSDAY, I, I THINK IT'S, UM, I'M GONNA GIVE A LITTLE THOUGHT AND I MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE SUGGESTIONS HERE IN A MINUTE.

I DO THINK THOSE SMALL QUESTIONS TEND NOT TO SLOW US DOWN.

IT'S REALLY THE OTHER, THE OTHER STUFF THAT DOES.

SO MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT YOUR PLAN ON THAT SCORE IS THAT THAT MAKES SOMETIMES WHOLE BUNCHES OF OUR STAFF WAIT AROUND FOR, FOR ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY BE DONE IN FIVE MINUTES.

UM, SO I JUST OFFER THAT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I MEAN, I'M, I THINK I HAD A COUPLE OF THOSE LAST TIME AND THEY WENT SUPER QUICKLY.

IT'S JUST NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THINGS BECOME APPARENT AFTER YOU GET YOUR RESPONSES BACK IN THE Q AND A, WHICH DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING SOMETIMES.

SO IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD TO, IT'S HARD TO ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS, SO I SHALL DO MY BEST, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST THINK ABOUT, ABOUT THAT, THAT THOSE TEND NOT TO SLOW US DOWN, BUT I THINK WE COULD HAVE A LIMIT.

LIKE IF IT'S, IF WE'RE AT FIVE MINUTES ON ONE OF THOSE, THEN IT, THEN IT'S GOTTA GET POSTPONED OR GET PULLED.

AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, IF WE COULD SAY, THIS IS A REALLY QUICK QUESTION AND FIVE MINUTES, IF WE'RE NOT, WE HAVEN'T TAKE FIVE MINUTES, WE'VE EITHER VOTED OR IT'S POSTPONED, CUZ SOMETIMES WE GET CAUGHT ON SOME OF THOSE AND THEY END UP TAKING 20 MINUTES, 30 MINUTES, WE, NO ONE COULD HAVE ANTICIPATED IT WOULD.

RIGHT.

OR IT GOES, SO I'LL CONSIDER THAT.

OR THEN IT GOES TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

SO LEMME THINK ABOUT THAT, CUZ THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

YEAH.

UH, YES.

PO AND THEN ANNE.

YEAH.

I, I REALLY, UH, WAS UH, KIND OF SURPRISED ABOUT LAST THURSDAY NEEDED IT.

AND UH, I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PEOPLE THAT FLEW IN INTO AUSTIN THAT NIGHT TO BE, YOU KNOW, AT THE, AT OUR MEETING THAT DIDN'T GET THEIR ISSUES, UH, DISCUSSED.

AND WE JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE APOLOGIZE TO Y GUYS WE WOULD KNOW THAT WE SHOULD INFORM PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT MUCH.

UH, THAT KIND OF AN AGENDA THAT LONG, THAT WHEN WE GOT SO LATE AT NIGHT THAT WE WOULD, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.

SO YEAH.

SO I JUST, I, I WENT THERE AND APOLOGIZED TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAD FLOWN IN FROM CHICAGO THAT WERE, AND THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT DSU WAS GIVEN ME.

I THINK THE POINT'S WELL TAKEN.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION NOW TO GIVE PEOPLE KIND OF A HEADS UP AND, AND TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

UH, ANNE, AND THEN, UM, I'VE HEARD A, A QUESTION RELATED TO, UM, I THINK IT'S RELATED TO THE, UM, OFFENSIVE POLICE OVERSIGHT ISSUE, BUT IT MIGHT BE RELEVANT FOR OTHER ISSUES TOO.

AND THAT WAS JUST THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, A TIME CERTAIN, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE USED TO DO.

UM, AND WE HAVEN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY FOR LOTS OF GOOD REASONS, BUT, UM, THERE'S SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE ASKED WHETHER WE CAN SET A TIME CERTAIN FOR THAT ITEM.

UM, AND I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, THE THINKING ABOUT WHEN THEY WILL BE SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AS WELL AS JUST WHEN THEY CAN LISTEN.

SO WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S A BIGGER TOPIC TO BRING UP THE WHOLE TIME CERTAIN ISSUE.

NO, AND I THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO, TO BRING THAT UP.

MY DEFAULT WILL BE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION THE SAME WAY.

I'VE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION HERE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, MOST, ESPECIALLY THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OCCASIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS WHERE THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO SEVERAL OF US AND TO THEIR CONSTITUENCIES WHO ASKED FOR A TIME CERTAIN AT A CERTAIN PART OF THE DAY, MY ANSWER, THEN I'LL GIVE THE SAME ANSWER NOW THAT I GAVE THEN.

CAUSE I FEEL LIKE, UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE AN ISSUE THAT I MIGHT BE MORE INTERESTED IN NOW OR THAT MY CONSTITUENCIES ARE MORE INTERESTED IN, I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT FOR ME TO, TO PLAY IT STRAIGHT DOWN.

THE, THE, THE FAIRWAY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO DO IT THE SAME WAY TO CALL THE SPEAKERS IN THE MORNING, GET THE SPEAKERS HANDLED THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE REST OF THE DAY LOOKS LIKE.

MM-HMM AND WE CAN PLAN OUT THE REST OF THE DAY WHEN WE HAVE SPEAKERS THAT ARE CALLED, THEN LATER IT ADDS AN UNKNOWN AND MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT.

MM-HMM I UNDERSTAND THE, THE STATEMENT THAT, HEY, WE WANT TO, WE WANT OUR ISSUE TO BE ABLE TO COME UP IN THE EVENING BECAUSE OUR CONSTITUENTS CAN'T BE THERE DURING THE DAY MM-HMM I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS THAT SAY, DON'T DO IT IN THE EVENING, CUZ THAT'S WHEN I'M WITH MY FAMILY AND MY CHILDREN, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK DURING THE DAY.

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SO I HEAR IT BOTH WAYS.

MM-HMM I AM CONCERNED THAT IF WE HAVE 200 SPEAKERS, I'VE ALSO HEARD PEOPLE ASKING FOR MORE THAN A MINUTE.

IF WE HAVE 200 SPEAKERS ON THIS AND EVERYBODY SPEAKS FOR ONE MINUTE MM-HMM THAT PROBABLY IS GONNA TAKE US FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF HOURS TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THOSE SPEAKERS.

MM-HMM IF WE START AT SIX WE'RE PAST 10 AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO BE ABLE TO, TO, TO DELIBERATE MM-HMM UH, SO I, MY RECOMMENDATION OR MY DEFAULT AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL AND I'M NOT GONNA BE, TRY TO UNDERST STAND IN IN THE WAY OF THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.

UH, BUT I WOULD DO IT, UH, THE, THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT, UH, BECAUSE IT IS IMPARTIAL TO SUBSTANCE MATTER OR ISSUE AND IT'S JUST STAYING CONSISTENT AND I THINK IT'S SERVED US WELL, UH, IN TERMS OF MEETING MANAGEMENT AND GETTING WORK DONE.

UH, DO YOU SEE A, A POSSIBILITY TO, UM, WELL, LET'S SEE, I GUESS SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, SO, SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF WHEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO US.

UM, WHAT ABOUT WHEN WE TAKE UP THE ITEMS, DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE OR ARE YOU THINKING THAT WE TAKE ALL THE SPEAKERS AND THEN GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA ABOUT HOW THE REST OF THE DAY IS GONNA GO? I THINK SO.

CAUSE I THINK WE WOULD KNOW MORE AT THAT POINT.

OKAY.

SO AT THAT POINT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE PEOPLE ENOUGH OF AN IDEA, UM, THAT IT'S SIMILAR TO A TIME CERTAIN FOR CONSIDERATION, BUT NOT FOR SPEAKERS.

YES.

YES.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND I THINK, AND I THINK WE COULD, AND I THINK WE COULD MANAGE THAT.

OKAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE AND, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR, FOR A CLOSED VOTE ON THAT ISSUE, I HAVE ASKED OR, UH, ON THE POLICE MATTER, WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION WITHIN 10 DAYS OF CERTIFICATION.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE TO PASS SOMETHING, UH, WITH SEVEN VOTES, NOT WITH SIX VOTES, UH, UNLESS WE DO IT ON, ON SEPARATE DAYS.

SO I'VE ASKED THE CLERK TO SET A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON SATURDAY AND A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON MONDAY, UH, IN CASE WE'RE AT A SIX, FIVE PLACE.

AND WE NEED THE, UH, THREE SEPARATE DAYS.

UH, I HAVE THE UNITED STATES CONFERENCE OF MAYOR'S MEETING AND I'M MAKING A PRESENTATION FRIDAY MORNING.

UH, AND MY PLAN HAD BEEN TO FLY OUT, UH, TO MIAMI ABOUT DINNER TIME.

I'M NOW CHECKING ALL DIFFERENT ROUTES TO SEE IF THERE'S LIKE A RED EYE WAY THAT I COULD GET TO THE CONFERENCE, UH, IN THE, IN THE MORNING SO THAT I CAN BE HERE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE EVENING, UH, IN CASE, UM, WELL, THE MEETING'S GONNA GO PAST SIX WOULD BE MY, MY GUESS UNDER ANY SCENARIO.

I'M SORRY, MAYOR.

I DIDN'T FOLLOW WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

I THINK HE'S GONNA GO PAST SIX UNDER ANY SCENARIO.

SO I'M, I'M CHECKING TO SEE IF I CAN EXTEND MY STAY ON THURSDAY TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE PAST SIX.

GOTCHA.

THE PRESENTATION IS FRIDAY MORNING, NOT SATURDAY MORNING.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE POTENTIALLY HAVING A FRIDAY MEETING.

SO WE WE'RE POTENTIALLY HAVING IT.

DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD TO EXTEND OVER TO FRIDAY IF WE TAKEN A VOTE TO IT'S IT'S THE SAME MEETING.

SO THE, THE, THE, THE NEW SPECIAL CALLED MEETINGS WILL BE NOTICED SATURDAY FOR SATURDAY AND MONDAY.

THANK YOU.

YES, I SAY, THANK YOU.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THE POINTS THAT I'VE BEEN RAISED.

I, I REALLY APPRECIATED OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE ADJOURNED AROUND 10, 10 30 AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT PRECEDENT OF ADJOURNING, UM, BEFORE 11, UH, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE SUBSTANTIVE TOPICS.

I MEAN, ALL OF THE ITEMS WE CONSIDER ARE SUBSTANTIVE.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN JUST HAVE A CONSENSUS ON NOT GOING PAST 11, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE, UM, THE CONVERSATION AROUND, UM, HAVING TIME CERTAIN FOR ITEM CONSIDERATION.

SO SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU LAID OUT, HAVING SPEAKERS IN THE MORNING, BUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, AT 4:00 PM, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THE POLICING ITEMS. THAT'S WHEN COUNCIL WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION, UH, AND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE COMMUNICATING THAT WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH THE INTEREST GROUPS SO THAT THEY KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE, UH, TENTATIVELY PLAN TO DISCUSS THE ITEM AND DELIBERATE.

UM, AND THEN LAST THE, I DIDN'T, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT PEOPLE FLEW IN FOR THAT ITEM.

UM, SO I WOULD JUST SAY TO THE PUBLIC, IF YOU DO HAVE STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARE FLYING TO LET US KNOW IN ADVANCE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

THANK YOU.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE ITEMS THAT IF WE WORK ON THEM TODAY, WE CAN GET VERY FAR.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH POSTPONING, PARKLAND, DEDICATION ANY FURTHER.

WE, WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE FOR THE BUDGET.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND WE CAN HAVE A LOT

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OF THAT CONVERSATION TODAY BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION AND THIS THE SAME CHALLENGES, UM, WITH THE MOTIONS, UM, AS BEFORE.

SO I WANNA SAY THAT, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS TOO, THAT WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF THE SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATION THEY'VE BEEN ON OUR AGENDA, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TIMES.

UM, I'M NOT IN THE QUORUM THAT IS, UM, EITHER PUTTING FORWARD THE LICENSE PLATE READER OR WITH THE OTHER GROUP THAT WAS ON THE, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT PATH, BUT IF FOLKS HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SUBSTANTIVE THINGS THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH, UM, TO SHARE TODAY, WE CAN GET A LOT OF THAT WORK DONE, UM, TODAY.

UM, YOU KNOW WHAT VANESSA SAID ABOUT WAITING? UM, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER VOTED TO EXTEND PAST 10 O'CLOCK.

I DON'T THINK WE MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AFTER THAT POINT IN TIME.

UM, SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.

I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW AVAILABLE I AM ON SATURDAY AND MONDAY, UM, TRAVELING AND, UM, NOT SURE WHETHER I WILL BE IN A POSITION TO GET ON THE VOTE.

I WILL DO MY BEST IF I NEED TO, UM, BUT WANTED TO, WANTED TO FLAG THAT.

UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE AGENDA TODAY, I JUST WANNA FLAG THAT.

UM, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE STATESMAN POD TIMING, UM, AND WHEN WE TAKE THAT UP, UM, AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I THINK 47, WHICH IS APPOINTMENTS.

THANKS.

UM, AND THANK YOU, MAYOR PROTE FOR BRINGING UP THE LICENSE PLATE READER ITEM.

WE HAVE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO A SECOND UPDATED VERSION, WHICH SHOULD BE POSTED TO THE MESSAGE BOARD TODAY.

I'D BE HAPPY TO PASS OUT WHAT WE CAME UP WITH TODAY IN WORK SESSION.

SO YOU ALL CAN REVIEW IT.

AND THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE THE BULK OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY, INSTEAD OF CARRYING IT ON FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S NOT MY INTENTION TO CONTINUE TO POSTPONE.

I THINK WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ALL AGREE TO THE ABILITY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ON WHERE WE LANDED.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MARY.

I, I ALSO WAS SURPRISED THAT WE, UH, DIDN'T HAVE A MOTION TO GO PAST 10.

I KNOW, UH, AS IT GETS INTO THE LATE HOURS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BED.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING OUR WORK FOR 12 HOURS AT THAT POINT.

AND SO I JUST, UM, I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT OUR PRACTICE TO END AT 10, BUT I DO THINK THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP, NOT QUITE FOLLOWING ALONG, YOU KNOW, HOW DID WE GET TO A VOTE OR WHAT WAS DECIDED, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED? I THINK, I THINK IT'S IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST TO TRY TO DO THINGS WHILE WE ARE FRESH.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE STAFF THAT SHOWS UP EARLY IN THE MORNING TO GET READY FOR THE MEETINGS AND THEY MIGHT BE HERE TILL 10 OR 12 AT NIGHT.

ALSO NOT KNOWING IF THEIR ITEMS ARE GONNA COME UP.

SO I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN OUR STANDARD PRACTICE TO ADJOURN AT 10, BUT I AM SUPPORTIVE OF US TRYING TO KEEP IT CLOSE TO A 12 HOUR MARK, JUST, UM, SO EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, WHERE WE LANDED AT THE END OF THE MEETINGS.

I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, 10 O'CLOCK.

I, I'M FINE WITH, YOU KNOW, LET'S FINISH WHATEVER WE'RE DEALING WITH AT, YOU KNOW, 10, BUT THIS KIND OF GOING TO ONE O'CLOCK TWO O'CLOCK.

I, I DON'T THINK THAT GOOD DECISIONS ARE MADE.

UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY UP EARLY, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEETING DAYS THEY'VE OFTEN WORKED, YOU KNOW, REALLY LATE THE NIGHT BEFORE COUNCIL MEETING DAYS.

SO, UH, I, I JUST, FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, UH, GENERAL RESPECT FOR THE PUBLIC AND, AND GENERAL RESPECT FOR OUR WITNESSES AND, AND STAFF AND, AND, AND AGAIN, FOR OUR OWN DECISION MAKING, I, I WOULD SAY A HARD STOP, UH, AT, AT 10, AGAIN, WITH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING JUST TO FINISH THAT ITEM OR MAYBE TO KNOCK OUT UP SOMETHING QUICKLY.

UM, AND I, I WANTED TO, UM, SECOND, UH, THE MAYOR PROTE SUGGESTION ABOUT THE STATESMAN PUT, I THINK WE SHOULD GET SOME, SOME CLARITY ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT ITEM.

AND, AND IF, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT SEEMS THAT THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IS TO CONTINUE IT TO THE 29TH.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT IS, IS NOT GONNA BE, UH, OR TO CONTINUE IT FROM THE 15TH, I SHOULD SAY FROM THURSDAY, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S ALSO NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE, SO THAT PROBABLY WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAYBE HASH THAT OUT.

SO WE CAN JUST GET THAT OFF THE TABLE SOONER THAN LATER, THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT, UH, IN LOGISTICS.

AND I AGREE WITH, UH, THE MAYOR PRO TE THAT I THINK SOME OF THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT.

I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE AN AGREEMENT ON THE PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCES, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE AMENDMENTS ON THAT, UM, WHICH WILL JUST BE THE AMENDMENT TO, UM, UH, WHEN THE FORMULA GETS LOCKED INTO PLACE AND THE DIRECTION TO HAVE A, UH, STAKEHOLDER, UH, PROCESS, UH, UM, AND THEN TO, UH, ENLARGE FOR RESIDENTIAL, THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.

UH, THERE MAY BE SOME CONVERSATION, UH, ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION ITEMS. MY RECOMMENDATION IN THE WAY I'LL VOTE ON

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THAT WILL BE IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE ALL AGREE ON, WE CAN ADOPT 'EM OTHERWISE TO PUSH THEM INTO THAT, UH, ENGAGEMENT, UH, PROCESS TOGETHER WITH THE QUESTION THAT I HAD WANTED TO HELP AN AMENDMENT ARM, WE COULDN'T QUITE WORK OUT, WHICH IS, UH, WHEN THE FEE SHOULD BE PAID TO PUSH THAT, UH, UH, ISSUE INTO THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AS WELL.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE MAY NOT BE HAVING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON, ON THAT ISSUE ON THE, UM, UH, STATESMAN PUT CASE WHEN WE WERE THERE.

UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD, UH, TALKED ABOUT, UH, POSTPONING THAT TO THE 29TH.

I THINK WE SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

IT'S GONNA REQUIRE US TO ACT ON THE 15TH.

WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE APPLICANTS NOT ABLE TO BE THERE ON THE 15TH, WHICH IS WHY WE DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING OF PUSHING IT TO THE 29TH.

UM, UH, I PERSONALLY LIKE YOUR IDEA OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH A, A BASE MOTION THAT TAKES, AGREED THINGS OFF THE TABLE, IF WE CAN AND HELPS US HAVING A MORE CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION ON THE 29TH.

UH, BUT I WOULD ALSO JOIN IN, IN TAKING THAT ITEM BA BASICALLY, AND POSTPONING THAT, UH, INTO THE, THE, THE, THE 29TH ANNE.

UM, I APOLOGIZE, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO, TO ASK YOU THIS BEFORE, BUT I'M, I'M WONDERING WHETHER WE ALSO SHOULD POSTPONE THE ONE THAT'S RELATED TO, UH, I THINK IT'S ITEM 90.

UH, THE ONE YOU BROUGHT I'M A CO-SPONSOR ON THAT ONE.

UM, IT'S, IT'S A SEPARATE BUT PARALLEL ITEM TO THE PUN.

AND SO IF IT, UM, I JUST DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST FOR CONSIDERATION, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE, UM, TO, TO DO THAT.

SO IT ALSO GIVES TIME PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO, TO, TO THINK ABOUT IT.

SO 90 IS THE ONE THAT, THAT, UM, UM, UM, CO-SPONSORS AND I HAVE BROUGHT TO, UH, UH, ASK THE STAFF WHEN THEY DO THE REGULATING PLAN WORK TO MAKE SURE THEY BRING US, UH, A REGULATING PLAN PROPOSAL THAT ACTUALLY HAS ENOUGH DENSITY TO MAKE IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO DO THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT, UH, DISTRICT.

YEAH.

IT GIVES US SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S WHY I SIGNED ON TO IT.

SO, AND FOR THAT REASON, SINCE IT'S JUST OPTIONS IN TELLING HIM TO COME BACK TO STUFF, I WOULD BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT.

OKAY.

BUT I'M NOT ADVERSE IF PEOPLE, IF IT, IF, IF YOU KNOW, IT'S A CLOSED VOTE AND PEOPLE NEED MORE TIME.

OKAY.

AND WE COULD TALK TO STAFF, I KNOW THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR IT TO BE DONE BY THIS MEETING, CUZ THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE REGULATING PLAN GROUP THAT'S DOING WORK.

YEAH.

BUT IT'S ALSO A PULLED ITEM TODAY.

OKAY.

SO LET'S SEE HOW THAT CONVERSATION GOES.

UM, AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL KNOW, WE'LL KNOW MORE.

ALRIGHT.

SO AT THIS POINT AND KIND OF THE DEFAULT IS TO JUST CALL ALL SPEAKERS AT 10 O'CLOCK, UH, AFTER, UM, UH, ZONING SPEAKERS AT TWO O'CLOCK, EVERYBODY HAS A MINUTE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE HANDLE THE THINGS THAT WERE POSTPONED FROM LAST WEEK.

SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE TIME TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THOSE, UH, BUT, UM, MIDDAY OR EARLY DAY, WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA TO GO THROUGH THE TIMING AND HOW MANY SPEAKERS, HOW MUCH TIME, UM, UM, UH, WE HAVE LEFT, UH, AFTER SPEAKERS SO WE CAN MAKE, UH, TOGETHER A GROUP DECISION ON HOW TO HANDLE THE REST OF THE DAY, BUT CLEARLY WITH THE GOAL OF, OF TRYING TO END THIS MEETING AND FUTURE MEETINGS, IF WE CAN, BY 10 O'CLOCK.

UM, I BEG FOR EVERYBODY'S INDULGENCE WITH RESPECT TO HOW MUCH WE TALK WHEN WE TALK AND HOW MANY QUESTIONS WE ASK AND HOW MANY THINGS WE PURSUE.

SO I, AGAIN, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, TRY TO, YOU KNOW, RESOLVE THOSE THINGS, UH, UH, OFF THE, UH, OFF THE DAYS.

UM, AND, UM, UNLESS, UM, UH, PEOPLE WANNA SPEAK UP.

OTHERWISE IT SOUNDS LIKE ON THE MEANING MANAGEMENT THAT, UH, THE STATESMAN PUT GETS POSTPONED TO THE 29TH.

I SEE, UH, UH, ALLISON SHAKING YOUR HEAD.

NOPE.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

IN FACT, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT AN HOUR IN MEETING MANAGEMENT PLACE? SURE.

UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

WE DON'T HAVE A FULL DIAS ON THE 29TH AND I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A FULL DIAS IF WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE STATESMAN PAD.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET AROUND THAT, BUT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEMBER WHO'S GONE WEDNESDAY ON THE 29TH ON THE 29TH.

UH, LESLIE I, SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION FROM THE POSTPONEMENT TO THE 29TH.

I SUPPORT THE POSTPONING TO THE 29TH.

DO WE KNOW WHO IS NOT AVAILABLE ON THE 29TH? FROM THE DIAS ME, I, UM, WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN A, UH, TRIP TO, UM, TO LEARN ABOUT BIO PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE IN, IN THE NETHERLANDS.

AND SO I WILL BE GONE ALL OF NEXT WEEK.

OKAY.

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THAT, AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A DIFFICULT TO BE REMOTELY PARTICIPATING, RIGHT? CORRECT.

YES.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING.

UM, OKAY, THANKS.

IT'S GONNA BE SECOND READING.

UH, NOT FINAL READING ON IT.

SO, UH, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE POSTPONEMENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WHILE WE HAD THE PEOPLE IN FROM CHICAGO AND THE LIKE, UH, SO IF THERE HAD BEEN RESISTANCE TO THAT, I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT IT WOULD'VE COME UP.

THEN MAYOR, MAYOR, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

THERE WAS PEOPLE WHO CAME UP TO THE DIAS AFTER WE ADJOURNED AS A COUNCIL, WE HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIVELY WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE WERE CLEARLY.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION, KNOW IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

SO I MEAN, HOW WE GONNA TAKE UP SOMETHING AS BIG AS THE STATESMAN, WITHOUT A FULL DIAS, EVEN IF IT'S STUCK IN READING.

AND I HEAR THAT PROBLEMATIC.

I'M NOT SAYING IT AS, SO THERE, BUT YOU MIGHT BE SO CUT ME OFF WHEN I WAS TRYING TO, TO TALK AND, AND THEN THAT'S OKAY.

UM, AS I WAS SAYING, UH, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE HAD THAT TO COME UP, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE HAD THE LAST MEETING, I UNDERSTAND IT DIDN'T BECAUSE WE WERE ANTICIPATING HAVING THE BROADER CONVERSATION ON THE POSTPONEMENT.

UH, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CRITICALLY UNFAIR TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION NEXT WEEK WHEN THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE TO PARTICIPATE.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO VOTE ON SECOND READING WITHOUT HAVING THE APPLICANT HERE TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF, UM, UH, IF THERE'S TIME AND PEOPLE WANT TO DISCUSS THE MATTER ON THURSDAY.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM, UH, TRYING TO PUT IT TO, UH, TO A VOTE ON THURSDAY.

SO I'LL BE VOTING FOR US, US NOT TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT.

UH, MATTER, WE CAN'T DECIDE THAT QUESTION TODAY.

IF OTHER PEOPLE WANNA SAY THINGS ABOUT IT, LET'S LET PEOPLE SAY THINGS ABOUT IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T VOTE ON THAT TODAY, BUT WE'LL CALL THAT UP EARLY ENOUGH, UH, UH, ON THURSDAY TO MAKE A DECISION SO THAT PEOPLE CAN PLAN THEIR THEIR DAY.

KATHY MI, I WANNA UNDERSCORE SOMETHING THAT THE MAYOR PRO TIM SAID, WE HAD A DIS WE DIDN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS BEING POSTPONED.

IT WASN'T CLEAR.

AND IT'S STILL NOT CLEAR THOUGH.

I ASKED THE APPLICANT, IF HE'S AVAILABLE THURSDAY, I HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT HE'S NOT AVAILABLE THURSDAY.

UM, BUT JUST THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE, I HAVEN'T CONFIRMED THAT.

AND SO THAT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T APPARENT.

NUMBER ONE, I, I TOO, COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES HAD NO IDEA.

THERE WERE PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT INFORMATION SHARED.

THERE WAS NOT INFORMATION SHARED THAT THE APPLICANTS, UH, REPRESENTATIVE WAS NOT AVAILABLE THIS THURSDAY, NOR DID WE HAVE A, A DIAS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHO IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE ON THE 29TH OR WHEN THOSE ITEMS THAT WE DIDN'T VOTE ON AT THE LAST MEETING WERE POSTPONED TO.

SO, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL, WE WERE ALL OPERATING WITH ZERO INFORMATION.

AND SO THAT BEING SAID, I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, ON BOARD WITH THE SENTIMENT THAT MAYOR PROAM EXPRESS.

THIS IS A, A HUGE, HUGE PROJECT, UM, IN MY DISTRICT, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS, IS GOING TO BE TRANSFORMATIVE FOR THAT AREA.

AND I THINK WE NEED A FULL DIAS ON EVERY READING AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT A POSTPONEMENT ABSOLUTELY FROM THIS WEEK.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT WHEN, WHEN WE'RE ALL HERE, MAN.

YES, GUYS, WRITE THIS.

THANK YOU.

AND I, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.

CERTAINLY I'M EXCITED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS URBAN MOBILITY STUDY TOUR, THE NETHERLANDS, BUT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, IF THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE ON SECOND READING WITHOUT ME, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THIRD READING.

UM, I HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE SHARED WHAT MY PRIORITIES ARE.

I OFFERED AN AMENDMENT LAST WORK SESSION THAT COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING.

SO I JUST DON'T WANNA DERAIL THE CONVERSATION ON THE STATE'S BEEN PUT ON THE ACCOUNT OF ME NOT BEING THERE.

SO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, SO ABSENT, ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S HOW WE'LL APPROACH, UH, THE LOGISTICS FOR THE MEETING ON THURSDAY.

AND I, I ALSO SUPPORT, UH, POSTPONING IT UNTIL THE WEEK AFTER THAT TWO WEEKS LATER ON THE 29TH, UH, I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING A DECISION WHEN I KNOW THE OCCUPANT IS NOT GONNA BE HERE.

OKAY, PAIGE, I WILL ALSO SUPPORT POSTPONING UNTIL THE 29TH, KATHY.

I WOULD JUST ASK FOR THE SAME COURTESY THAT I THINK I'VE AFFORDED ALL OF YOU WHEN YOU'VE HAD A, A LARGE CASE IN YOUR DISTRICT AND REQUESTED ALL PARTICIPANTS THERE.

AND, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES, BUT YOU'RE A MEMBER OF MY SUBRU AND I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR INSIGHT BEING PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF, OF OUR ABILITY TO TALK THROUGH THE VARIOUS OPTIONS.

WE HAVE TWO VERY DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED.

ONE IS THE OPTION THAT WE PASSED ON FIRST READING.

THE OTHER IS THE ONE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VE BRING IS BRINGING FORWARD, WHICH, UM, HAS SOME VERY DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING BENEFITS AMONG OTHERS.

AND SO I THINK, I THINK THE CONVERSATION IS,

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IS ONE THAT WE SHOULD ALL HAVE.

AND I THINK IT IS A PROJECT THAT, THAT WARRANTS THE TIME.

OKAY, ANNE, UM, I WILL SUPPORT A POST MOMENT TO THE 29TH.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE IT UP THIS THURSDAY, SO OKAY.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO SEE, AND I THINK THAT WE GOT CONSENSUS ON THAT.

SO WHAT I WAS SAYING, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT THE MAYOR PROTE SUGGESTED IS THE DATE AFTER THE 29TH, SO THAT WE HAVE A FULL DIAS.

WELL, AT THIS POINT, I, I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL MEMBER TOBO THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO SEE.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHY.

AND SO I'M A BIT TORN BECAUSE I'M ALSO HEARING FROM COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES THAT SHE'S EXPRESSED HER, HER, UM, OPINION.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO TELL HER SHE HAS TO BE THERE, BUT AT THIS POINT I THINK LET'S DEAL WITH THAT.

UM, WITH THAT LATER, UM, I, I RESPECT, I, I RESPECT THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THIS IS A MAJOR, MAJOR, UM, PUT IN YOUR DISTRICT.

UM, BUT IT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO, UM, I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO RESPECT EACH OTHER'S POINTS OF VIEW.

OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON FROM MEETING MANAGEMENT, UH, TO, UM, TO, UH, PULL THE ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION, BOTH YOU AND I PULLED, UH, THOSE ITEMS. UM, ALISON, YOU WANNA, YES.

OH, I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD, NATASHA.

THANK YOU.

BEFORE I APPRECIATE IT.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

UM, I, I, I WANTED TO WEIGH IN, I'M ALSO OUT OF TOWN ON THE 29TH.

OKAY.

SO SUBSEQUENTLY I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, VANESSA'S MOTION TO, TO POSTPONE THE ITEM TO THE FOLLOWING MEETING IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UNDERSTOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES, VERY GRACIOUSLY SAID THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITHOUT HER.

AND SO IT WAS AN, IT WAS A, UM, SUGGESTION FROM THE MAYOR PRO 10 THAT I AFFIRMED.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE CAN'T DECIDE THAT QUESTION, BUT IT'LL BE AMONG THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DISCUSS, UH, ON THURSDAY, SO THAT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION ON THAT, UH, ISSUE.

SO PEOPLE CAN PLAN THEIR DAY.

LET'S GO AHEAD TO PULLED ITEMS,

[53. Approve an ordinance amending City Code Chapter 25-1 relating to residential and commercial parkland dedication regulations, waiving the requirements of City Code Sections 25-1-501 (Initiation of Amendment) and 25-1-502 (Amendment; Review) related to Planning Commission review and public hearing requirements and providing direction regarding administrative rules implementing parkland dedication Code regulations. ]

PARKLAND, DEDICATION, UM, ALISON, YOU WANNA START US OFF.

UM, SO I, I HOPE THAT, UM, WE WILL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH THE COMMERCIAL ADOPTING THE COMMERCIAL PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE, UM, AND TO, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE US, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, A SMALL FEE INCREASE, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL AND PASSED OUT AN AMENDMENT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO ITEM 59, UM, THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA RELATED TO PARKLAND DEDICATION.

53 IS THE FULL, UM, ORDINANCE WITH THE CHANGES FOR COMMERCIAL IN IT.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS PUT FORWARD AS AN IFFC, SO WE COULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE, UM, CHANGES.

THEN WE HAVE 59, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ADOPTING THE FEE.

THERE ARE TWO EXHIBITS THERE THERE'S EXHIBIT ONE AND EXHIBIT TWO EXHIBIT ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL FEE EXHIBIT TWO HAS TO DO WITH THE COMMERCIAL FEE.

UM, AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE, I THINK IT'S 66 AND 67.

UH, ONE OF THOSE IS THE COMMERCIAL PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE AND THE HEARING, THE OTHER IS A HEARING FOR RESIDENTIAL, UM, SO THAT WE CAN BE IN LINE WITH THE CODE, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE NEEDED TO POSTPONE IT LAST TIME.

UM, SO MAYOR, I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE WHERE YOUR MOTIONS ARE AT.

I JUST PASSED OUT A MOTION, MY RECOMMENDATION WITH WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, UM, WITH THE FEE INCREASE.

UM, AND I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I'M WONDERING MAYOR, IF WE SHOULD GET CLARITY ON WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FIRST, BECAUSE THAT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON HOW WE PROCEED.

SO THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US CONCERNING PARKLAND.

THERE'S THE, UH, UH, FIRST ITEM THAT IS THE ORDINANCE THAT ONLY ADDRESSES COMMERCIAL.

UH, AND THEN WE, UH, HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE THE COUNCIL THAT, UH, ADDRESSES BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

UH, IN THAT RESPECT, WE ONLY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES

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TO COMMERCIAL.

IN ONE OF THE TWO PLACES.

WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THEM BOTH.

UM, ALTHOUGH WE COULD CERTAINLY MAKE CHANGES TO THEM BOTH SO LONG AS THEY'RE IDENTICAL CHANGES.

UH, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD IN FRONT OF US, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND, AND COMMERCIAL THERE I'VE HANDED OUT.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, ALLISON, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, A MOTION SHEET, NUMBER ONE THAT TALKS TO FEE CALCULATION, AND IT TALKS ABOUT HOW THE FEE IS TO BE CALCULATED.

UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO APPLY TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

UH, AND IT COULD BE AN AMENDMENT THAT'S PUT, I THINK IN EITHER ONE OF THE TWO OR IN BOTH SO LONG AS IT'S, UH, UH, IDENTICAL, UH, BUT IT SPEAKS TO THE FEE CALCULATION.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S SUPPORTED BY STAFF AND, UM, UH, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANY CONTROVERSY ON THAT.

THE SECOND ONE.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

JUST BEFORE WE LEAVE ON THAT, UM, AT SOME POINT LAW WILL NEED TO CLARIFY, BELIEVE WE HAVE TO CHANGE SOME WORDING TO MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY THE FORMAL SUBMISSION.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU PUT ONE TINY PIECE OF PAPER IN AND IT'S SUBMITTED, BUT LIKE YOU'VE ACTUALLY FORMALLY SUBMITTED YOUR APPLICATION AND THERE MAY BE SOME WORDING UNLESS THAT'S ALREADY CAPTURED IN HERE, DAWN, I WANT TO TRACK WHATEVER THE FORMAL PROCEDURE IS FOR, FOR, FOR OTHER KINDS OF SITUATIONS.

I DON'T WANNA CREATE A NEW STANDARD, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE COURTS WITH RESPECT TO WHEN AN APPLICATION CONSTITUTES AN APPLICATION.

AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THOSE, THAT LAW APPLIES HERE TOO.

I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A NEW STANDARD.

AND THEN CERTAINLY IF LEGAL THINKS THERE'S WORDS WE HAVE TO ADD TO DO THAT, WE, WE CAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

SO LONG AS WE'RE NOT CREATING A NEW STANDARD, IS LEGAL PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT YET? OR DO YOU WANNA TELL US ON THURSDAY THE RIGHT WORDING? I THINK ON THURSDAY, WE'LL NEED TO DO THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT, UH, OUR LAWYER, ERIC LOPEZ IS WORKING ON THAT FROM LAST MEETING.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND, AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY IT'S JUST SO THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU CAN'T PUT LIKE A TINY PIECE OF PAPER IN AND SAY YOU'VE SUBMITTED IT AND THEN HAVE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FEE ASSESSMENT LOCKED IN.

THERE IS A TIME AT WHICH YOU'RE CONSIDERED FORMALLY SUBMITTED.

AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE, UM, APPLIES AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN ON BOTH RELATIONSHIPS.

AND, AND I JOIN YOU ON THAT.

I THINK THE LEGAL STANDARD RIGHT NOW UNDER TEXAS LAW IS SOMETHING LIKE FAIR NOTICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND WHATEVER THAT STANDARD IS THAT APPLIES IN CHAPTER 2 45 ISSUES, OR THIS JUST NEEDS TO BE THE STANDARD THAT APPLIES HERE.

BUT I AGREE, AND IT'D BE GREAT IF LEGAL COULD COME BACK TO US TO HELP US MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH ESTABLISHED LAW.

YES, YOU HAVE MARY AND I, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, THAT HOW I REALLY, UH, MY POSITION IS THAT I, I REALLY DON'T REALLY SUPPORT RAISING ANY KIND OF FEED ON HOUSING.

WE'RE IN A REALLY, UH, CRISIS HERE IN AUSTIN, YOU KNOW, AND THE, UH, WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO AFFORD TO RENT ANYMORE APARTMENTS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH COST.

AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE KEEP CONTINUE TO ASK US WHY IS THESE PRICES KEEP GOING UP? AND WE DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THE FACT THAT IT'S THESE FEEDS THAT WE'RE PUTTING, ATTACKING ONTO THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BUILDING THESE APARTMENTS.

AND ALL IT'S DOING IS MAKING THEM MAKE THE PRICES GO UP.

AND WE'RE DISPLACING A LOT OF LOW INCOME AND MIDDLE INCOME PEOPLE THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE IN AUSTIN.

AND I KNOW THE ARGUMENT THAT, UH, WELL, WE NEED PARK LAND SO THAT THEY COULD COME IN FROM OUT OF TOWN SO THEY CAN ENJOY IT, YOU KNOW? AND IT'S THE REASON WHY THEY'RE OUT OF TOWN IS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE THE FEED TO INCREASE IT SO THEY CAN COME DOWN HERE AND ENJOY IT DURING THE WEEKENDS.

AND I JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

GOOD POINT.

THERE ARE FOUR ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO PARKLAND THAT ARE GONNA BE IN FRONT OF US.

ONE IS THE ONE IS SETTING THE FEE ITSELF FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND FOR IF IT PASSES AND RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ONE, UM, LET'S GET TO THAT DISCUSSION IN A SECOND.

THERE ARE THREE OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE AMENDMENT WITH RESPECT TO HOW FEES ARE CALCULATED.

THAT'S THE ONE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HERE.

WE'LL WAIT TO SEE IF LEGAL THINKS THERE'S ANY MORE WORDING WE NEED TO, TO, TO, TO PUT, UH, PUT INTO THAT.

THE SECOND ONE, UM, ALLISON WAS THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AMENDMENT, UH, THAT YOU'VE ALL SEEN.

IT JUST BASICALLY SAYS THAT, UH, EXEMPT FROM THE FEE RIGHT NOW, IT HAS LIKE SMART HOUSING.

I THINK THIS MAKES IT, UH, MORE BROAD TO CAPTURE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT AMENDMENT WOULD JUST BE RELEVANT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PARKLAND DEDICATION.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE THAT I'VE HANDED OUT IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS THAT SETS UP A STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, UH, TO REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL IN THE SPRING, UH, AND THAT NEEDS TO RELATE TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL

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AND TO COMMERCIAL.

SO THOSE WOULD BE THE THREE AMENDMENTS, UM, UH, MAYOR PROTEM THAT, THAT I WOULD BE BRINGING.

THANK YOU.

SO, UM, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT FEE COLLECTION ANYMORE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FEE COLLECTION AS AN AMENDMENT.

UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE HOPE GETS CONSIDERED IN THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE, SO, UM, I'M SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT FOR THE FEE CALCULATION, UM, BUT IT DOES HAVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE FEES THAT WILL BE, UM, ASSESSED AND HOW MUCH WE WILL TAKE IN, IN TERMS OF REVENUE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF PAR CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T, I DIDN'T ASK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THE SPECIFIC COSTS OF MOVING TO THIS AMENDMENT.

UM, IT, IT MAKES LOGICAL SENSE.

IT WILL PROVIDE A LARGE AMOUNT OF CERTAINTY TO OUR DEVELOPERS, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT DOES REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, UM, PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES THAT WILL BE COMING IN WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY HAVE TO OPT, UM, FOR FEE IN LIEU OF LAND.

UM, AND THAT IS TRUE FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF PART CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND IF THIS IS RELEVANT, AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE SETTING THE FEES, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY A, A SUBSTANTIVE AND IMPORTANT BIG CHANGE THAT DELIVERS SOMETHING TO THE DEVELOPERS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR.

UM, BUT IT DOES HAVE FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT WE WILL SEE, UM, IN TERMS OF RECEIPTS, WHICH I THINK MATTERS FOR THE FEES.

SO, UM, IF PART COULD SPEAK TO ANY ELEMENTS OF THAT, THAT YOU THINK ARE RELEVANT AS WE CONSIDER, UM, HOW MUCH TO RAISE THE FEES.

GOOD MORNING, LEANNA CALCA ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE PARKS INTEGRATION DEPARTMENT.

AND THANK YOU FOR THIS DISCUSSION.

AND I WANT TO MENTION THAT THE ENTIRE, UM, PLD TEAM IS HERE TO HELP WITH THOSE, UM, ANSWERS.

UM, I WILL TURN THE, UH, QUESTION TO RANDY, BUT, UH, UH, AS FAR AS ASSESSING THE FEES AT THE BEGINNING OF, UH, WHEN THE, UH, SITE PLAN, UH, IS SUBMITTED, THAT DOES NOT HAVE, UM, A COST FOR, FOR US.

AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WELCOME BECAUSE IT CREATES THE CERTAINTY, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPERS.

AND IT ALSO ALLEVIATES THE MAD DASH WHEN THERE IS A, UM, A CHANGE OF THE YEAR FOR, UM, FOR, FOR REVIEWS.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WASN'T SUGGESTING IT HAD A, A, UM, A COST IN TERMS OF PARTS TIME.

IT DOES AFFECT THOUGH WHAT YOU TAKE IN, IN TERMS OF MONEY, UM, FOR THE FEES.

AND THAT WAS WHAT, AND I DIDN'T ASK YOU IN ADVANCE, SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE A CALCULATION, UM, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CHANGE, UM, IT, SO THAT IT'S ASSESSED AT ASSESSMENT, AND THEN IT TAKES THREE YEARS OR A YEAR AND A HALF TILL YOU GET YOUR SITE PLAN APPROVED, YOU'RE USING A DIFFERENT FEE.

UM, WHEN YOU PAY AT SITE PLAN APPROVAL, MM-HMM .

UM, SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE TAKING IN LESS MONEY.

AND SO PROJECTS EVEN THAT ARE UNDERWAY NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY NEXT YEAR, WE INCREASE THE FEE, THEY COULD BE PAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR'S FISCAL YEAR, 20 TWOS FEE.

UM, AND YET, YOU KNOW, SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING FURTHER OUT OF SYNC, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE TAKING IN FROM WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE ASSESSING IT.

UM, AND THAT WAS WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF, BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FREEZING THE FEES, IF YOU WANNA ACTUALLY FREEZE THEM AND HAVE 'EM BE, OR YOU'RE NOT FREE, IF YOU WANNA KEEP THEM, YOU STILL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BALANCE, THAT WE'RE LOSING SOMETHING, WHICH I THINK IS SUGGESTS THAT WE NEED TO RAISE THEM SOMEWHAT.

OBVIOUSLY I HAVE NEVER BEEN ADVOCATING THAT WE DOUBLE THEM AGAIN.

SO, UM, PERHAPS, UH, RANDY OR SOMEONE ON THE TEAM WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.

GOOD MORNING.

UM, RANDY SCOTT PARKS AND RECREATION APARTMENT, WE DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER AVAILABLE FOR THE, THE IMPACT, BUT PART IS SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE AMENDMENT.

UM, LAST YEAR, SEPTEMBER, BEFORE OCTOBER ROLLED AROUND, WE PROCESSED, UH, AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF SITE PLANS AND, AND SUBDIVISIONS TRYING TO GET THEIR FEES IN BEFORE THE FEES WENT UP.

UM, THERE IS A, A FINANCIAL IMPACT, BUT, UM, I THINK IT ALSO, UH, IS, UH, GOOD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

I GIVES THEM CERTAINTY WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR SITE PLANS AND WHAT THE FEES WILL BE.

SO, OR WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AMENDMENT.

AGAIN, I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE AMENDMENT.

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WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS AS WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING, AND WE ASSESS THE FEES, UM, IF WE ADOPT THIS AMENDMENT, WHICH AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT OBJECTING TO THE AMENDMENT.

IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE FEES, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE ASSESS THE FEE AND DETERMINE WHERE BETWEEN 0% AND 25% WE NEED TO GO.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM YOU.

AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'VE NEVER BEEN QUESTIONING WHETHER THIS MAY FOR, FOR FOLKS IN TERMS OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THINGS AND THE CERTAINTY, UM, BUT IT HAS A FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCE.

AND FOR ME, PART OF WHAT I'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS WHOLE TIME IS MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ENSURING THAT WE HAVE SIMILAR OR MORE RESOURCES FOR PARKS, UM, TO MAINTAIN QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND IF THAT IS YOUR GOAL, AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING IT, THEN YOU NEED TO, TO AFFECT THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE FEES THERE PRO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT NUMBER OKAY.

FOR THURSDAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO, UM, WHAT I'M PROPOSING WITH RESPECT TO, UM, THE FEES IS I PASSED OUT A SHEET.

UM, AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS FOR EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL, I AM PROPOSING, ESSENTIALLY THAT WE INCREASE, UM, THE FEE BY 25% IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

WHAT YOU CHANGE IS THE LAND COST FACTOR THAT YOU ARE ASSUMING, UM, TO GENERATE THE FEE, UM, THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY.

UM, SO BE 25% ABOVE WHAT WE HAD FROM FISCAL YEAR 22.

UM, AND THEN I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE ADOPT THE COMMERCIAL FEE IN LIE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF IN EXHIBIT TWO.

UM, AND WHAT THIS DOES, THIS APPROACH ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE RISING LAND PRICES MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY TO ACQUIRE PARKLAND WHILE STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN THE AFFORDABILITY CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTING NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UM, ESTABLISHING DIFFERENT RATES BETWEEN THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICE CITY'S GOAL OF CREATING MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND PROVIDES AN INCENTIVE FOR RESIDENTIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT.

YES, I MACKENZIE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.

MAYOR PRO TIM, AND, AND I APPRECIATE US HAVING PARKLAND, BUT TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER RENTER RIO SAID.

I THINK THAT IT'S BECOME INCREASINGLY UNAFFORDABLE IN OUR CITY AND AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE NEED TO USE EVERY TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX TO HELP MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE HERE.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN, AS A RENTER MYSELF, I HAVE A LOT OF HEARTBURN HAVE A LOT OF HEARTBURN ABOUT RAISING FEES, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PASSED DOWN FROM DEVELOPERS TO INDIVIDUALS, EITHER PURCHASING OR ARE EVEN JUST TRYING TO STAY HERE.

SO THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UH, NATASHA, I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, I'LL START BY SAYING HAPPY HAND DAY TO EVERYBODY.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAY HAVE PRETEND REALLY LAID OUT, EXCUSE ME, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT SHE HAS ABOUT FEE INCREASES IN A WAY THAT I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO SAY A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

SO MOST OF, OF WHAT I'LL SAY NOW IS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE GENERAL REPUBLIC WATCHING, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN HAS SOME OF THE HIGHEST PER UNIT DEVELOPMENT FEES IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS, UM, OUR EXISTING DEDICATION FEE BALANCED COUPLED WITH BOND RESOURCES, LEAVE US IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION TO CONTINUE TO EXECUTE ON OUR OBLIGATIONS AS A MUNICIPALITY TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE OPEN SPACE, UH, FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY.

SO, UM, I LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT OUR SITE PLAN PROCESS LITERALLY TAKES YEARS, UM, YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY HERE IN THE SAME STUFF THAT I AM, BUT IN TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS THIS WEEK, WE TALKED ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY STALLED OR ABANDONED, FRANKLY, BECAUSE COST CHANGES.

UM, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE WAY THAT RANDY LAID OUT THAT COMMENTARY AND PREDICTABILITY.

UM, THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT KNOWING WHAT TO EXPECT AND WHAT TO ANTICIPATE.

AND SO, UM, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS OVER THE COURSE OF THE WEEKEND AND THEY REALLY DIDN'T GET THAT COMPONENT.

UM, SO THAT SAID, I, I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR REALLY INCORPORATE IN THE SECOND PART OF MY BUDGET AMENDMENT INTO HIS MOTION, UM, FOR PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, UM, THE AUSTIN HOUSING WORKS AND, UH, AUSTIN HOUSING COALITION, UM, THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE OF NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REALLY COMMITTED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEIR EXPRESSED SUPPORT, I THINK REALLY TELLS US A LOT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POINT THAT WAS MADE.

YEAH, MULTIPLE TIMES IN RENTER COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY, UM, THAT FEE HAS

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TO GO SOMEWHERE AND IT, AND IT DOES COME DOWN TO THE BUYER OR THE RENTER AND, UH, TO COUNCIL MEMBER RENTER'S POINT ABOUT AFFORDABILITY FOR RENTERS.

YOU KNOW, I REALLY HOPE THAT MOVING FORWARD, WE REALLY DO START THINKING MORE ABOUT HOW WE CAN BUILD IN MORE PROTECTIONS FOR THE OVER 50% OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

UM, THE, THE RENTERS.

UM, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE SOMETIMES MISS WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE KINDS OF, UH, LIKE FEE ASSESSMENTS.

UM, SO I, I THINK IF WE'RE COMMITTED TO AFFORDABILITY, WHICH I KNOW WE ARE, WE, WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO AND WORK ALONGSIDE THOSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON A SOLUTION THAT WORKS BEST FOR HOUSING AND REALLY BEAUTIFUL, COMPREHENSIVE PARK SYSTEMS. UM, SO, UH, THANKS FOR THE TIME, UH, TO HEAR ME OUT.

AND I REALLY HOPE THAT THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS AN INVITATION FOR MORE CONSTITUENTS TO ASK ME SOME QUESTIONS LIKE THE ONES I RECEIVED OVER THE COURSE OF THE WEEKEND.

I THINK THAT PERSON BEING ABLE TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE WAS REALLY VERY HELPFUL FOR THEIR ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS CONVERSATION.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS KIND OF WONKY WHEN YOU START TRYING TO BREAK DOWN FOR PEOPLE EXACTLY HOW WE ASSESS FEES AND FORMULAS, AND BE ABLE TO SIMULTANEOUSLY SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE ASSESS FEES.

IT'S BEEN SORT OF PROBLEMATIC IN MY MIND'S EYE, BUT FOR NOW THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.

UM, SO I, I LOVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YES, LESLIE.

THANKS.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN HEARING THE, UM, IT RAISES THE COST OF THE RENT OR THE PURCHASE OF THE HOME FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.

THAT IS A STANDARD ARGUMENT AGAINST HAVING A PARKLAND DEDICATION, GET BRINGING IN ENOUGH MONEY SO THAT WE CAN BUY THE LAND AND MAINTAIN AND OPERATE OUR, OUR CITY PARKS.

THE PROBLEM IS NOBODY EVER GIVES US ANY REAL GUARANTEES THAT IN FACT, IF WE DON'T RAISE THESE FEES, THEY WON'T RAISE THE RENTS OR THE SALE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

THEY'RE LOOKING BECAUSE OF THE TIME LAG NOW AT THE TIME THAT ARGUMENT IS MADE.

YEAH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE COST IS, BUT THAT IS ALSO THE TIME WHEN YOU CAN FACTOR IN THE PREDICTABILITY OF A FEE, HOWEVER, WHATEVER LEVEL IT IS THAT WE SET IT AT.

SO I, I, I MUST SAY THAT AFTER LISTENING FOR EIGHT YEARS FROM ALMOST FROM THE DI ABOUT THESE REPEATED ARGUMENTS, I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANY GUARANTEE FROM ANY APPLICANT THAT IN FACT THEY WILL KEEP THEIR RENTS LOW.

AND, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK, IS EVEN EXEMPTED FROM THESE FEES.

IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? MARI PRO TOWN.

YES.

YES.

THIS IS KEY RIGHT HERE, UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MARKET RATE RENTS AND PURCHASE PRICES.

SO I JUST, UM, SO I PUT THAT OUT THERE.

UM, AND IF SOMEONE HAS SOME CONCRETE EVIDENCE OR SOME REAL GUARANTEE, UH, FROM DEVELOPERS AND APPLICANTS THAT THEY IN FACT DID NOT RAISE THEIR RENTS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CHARGED TO HIRE FEE.

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE THAT, BUT THAT PARTICULAR FACT IS EXPLICITLY ABSENT.

SO I, I, THAT ARGUMENT FALLS FLAT FALLS FLAT FOR ME.

I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A COMPROMISE IN HERE BETWEEN THE ZERO AND THE 25%.

AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IF THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR PRO CAN WORK TO FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND TO PRESENT TO US.

THANKS.

I SEE.

YES, VANESSA.

THANK YOU.

I WAS WONDERING IF STAFF COULD PULL UP, THERE'S A MAP THAT I WANNA SHARE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

IT IS THE POPULATION GROWTH MAP THAT SHOWS, UM, THE PARKLAND DEFICIENT AREAS.

I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE BACKUP WITH THE ITEM AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING POPULATION FORECAST PARK DEFICIENCY, WHERE IT SHOWS THE AREAS WITH POPULATION GROWTH AT 50% OR MORE BY 2040.

UH, WE CAN PULL THAT UP JUST ONE MOMENT WHILE WE FIND IT.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, UM, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF, OF THE EAST SIDE, PARTICULARLY SOUTHEAST, WHEN I THINK OF THIS POLICY AND I SEE THAT THE FEES FROM THIS POLICY ARE GOING TO BENEFIT OUR EASTERN COMMUNITIES.

UM, CERTAINLY I, IT MAKES ME REALIZE HOW NUANCE THIS CONVERSATION IS.

UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO HAVE THE EXEMPTION PROVIDED FOR INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS TO HAVE EVEN MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WITHIN THEIR DEVELOPMENTS.

BUT KNOWING THAT SO MUCH OF THE FEES, UH, THE FEES FROM THIS ORDINANCE, UH, GO TO PARKS ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU

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KNOW, SO YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, NUANCE IN OUR APPROACH.

AND SO I APPRECIATE MARY PER PRETEND THAT YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE FULL FEE, UH, CALCULATION THAT WAS SET UP FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, YOU HAVE OFFERED A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AND SUBSTANTIAL COMPROMISE HERE WITH A 25% PROPOSAL, UM, RATHER THAN THE FULL, UH, DOUBLING OF THE FEE.

UM, AND SO I WAS WONDERING MAYOR, PRETEND IF YOU COULD TALK US THROUGH, UM, HOW YOU ARRIVED TO THAT 25% AND WHY THAT NUMBER IS IMPORTANT.

SURE.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE, UM, APPRECIATE YOUR OBSERVATIONS.

IT IS REALLY, UM, IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, PARKLAND DEDICATION IS TIED TO WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING, AND IT'S A TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO AVOID THE MISTAKES THAT WE'VE MADE IN THE PAST, WHERE WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED, UM, PARKS, WHERE WE'VE DEVELOPED AND, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SUCH A NEED, UM, IN, IN SOME PLACES OF OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, SO THE WAY THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE FEES IS THAT,