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THIS MEETING TO ORDER, UH, IT'S

[CALL TO ORDER]

6:02 PM ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, REGULAR MEETING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

UM, WE'RE UP AT, UH, 63, 10 WILHELMINA DELCO DRIVE.

AND, UM, WE WILL GO AROUND AND DO ROLL CALL AND YES, UH, COMMISSIONER BIGLER, IF YOU COULD TURN ON YOUR CAMERA PVO.

UH, SO WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOLS.

THANK YOU.

UH, BARRETT BIGLER PRESENT.

KREI PRESENT BRISTOL SECRETARY BRISTOL.

SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HERE.

COMMISSIONER SHERA HERE.

COMMISSIONER NICHOLS, BERG.

I'M HERE.

UH, ARA COMMISSIONER GU HERE AND COMMISSIONER BREER HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU GUYS.

UM, FIRST

[1. Approval the minutes of the Environmental Commission Regular Meeting on September 7, 2022]

ITEM UP TO BUSINESS.

UH, KAYLA DISTRIBUTED THE DRAFT MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.

UM, DID ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ON THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? SECOND, THIS IS IRA.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

UH, ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

RAISE YOUR HAND AND LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL, BUT, UH, BARE PIGS OFF THE DI.

SO IT PASSES.

UM, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU GUYS.

ITEM

[2. Consider an ordinance regarding amendments to Title 25 related to environmental protection, landscape requirements, and site plan requirements. City Staff: Liz Johnston, Deputy Environmental Officer, Watershed Protection Department]

NUMBER TWO.

SO DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE REGARDING THE AMENDMENT OF TITLE 25 RELATED TO ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THIS IS THE SAME ITEM WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, LAST COUPLE MEETINGS AND, UM, LIZ, DO YOU WANT TO PRESENT OR DO Y'ALL WANT TO DO ANYTHING? YEAH.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

WE CAN PULL THE PRESENTATION UP, UH, IF THAT'S USEFUL AND I, I KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN YOU A COUPLE TIMES ON THIS ITEM.

I JUST WANNA REITERATE HOW PROUD I AM OF THE STAFF EFFORT.

THAT'S GONE ONTO THIS AND, AND LIZ CAN OFFER A LITTLE CONTEXT OF ANYTHING THAT'S, UM, HAPPENED SINCE THEN.

YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH.

SO, UM, JUST AN UPDATE LAST NIGHT, WE DID, UM, UH, ATTEND ZONING AND PLANNING AGAIN.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND TIME WE GAVE A THEM A PRESENTATION PREVIOUSLY, AND THEN, UM, THEY POSTPONED THE DISCUSSION UNTIL LAST NIGHT.

UM, THEY DID RECOMMEND SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION WITH, UM, SOME, UH, SUGGESTIONS, UM, RELATED TO, UH, DEFERRING FUNCTIONAL GREEN IMPLEMENTATION UNTIL OUR CRITERIA IS UPDATED.

UM, AND SOME OTHER KIND OF MORE TECHNICAL, MINOR, UM, ISSUES JUST TO CLARIFY CERTAIN THINGS, UM, THAT I CAN EXPLAIN OR NOT.

AND THEN THEY HAD SOME, UM, JUST IN GENERAL SUPPORT OF WORKING TOWARDS, UM, UH, LOOKING AT EQUITY AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS IN THE FUTURE, UM, WHICH WE ARE CERTAINLY PLANNING ON DOING.

SO THEY'RE OFFERING THEIR SUPPORT, UM, TALKING ABOUT, UM, ADDRESSING AFFORDABILITY IMPACTS WITH THE NEXT PHASE FOR ANY OF THE, THE CODE CHANGES.

AND THEN, UM, GIVING RECOMMENDING, YOU KNOW, GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THE PHASE TWO, UM, COMPONENTS RELATED TO STEEP SLOPE PROTECTIONS IN URBAN WATERSHEDS AND GREENFIELD CONDITIONS, WHICH WILL BE, UM, THE, THE NEXT ORDINANCE THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD.

SO, UM, THAT'S MORE OR LESS WHERE WE ARE AT.

WE WILL BE GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE 27TH.

UM, THEY ARE THE LAST BODY BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO THAT'S, UM, THAT IS THE, THE BODY THAT MAKES ITS FORMAL RECOMMENDATION IN THE PROCESS RELATED TO ALL ORDINANCES.

AND OF COURSE, UM, HAVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM ZAP AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION WILL BE IMPORTANT TO THEM.

THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON A WORKING GROUP AS WELL TO KIND OF LOOK AT INTO THINGS.

SO THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS PRETTY DEEPLY.

UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO POSTPONE JUST ONE COUNCIL DATE TO OCTOBER 13TH.

SO INSTEAD OF GOING ON THE 29TH WILL BE GOING ON THE 20, THE OCTOBER 13TH IN ORDER TO GET THE AFFORDABILITY IMPACT STATEMENT FINALIZED, UM, WHICH SHOULD BE THIS WEEK.

AND ALSO GIVE US TIME TO CONSIDER THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER BODIES THAT WE'RE GETTING AND INCORPORATE WHATEVER WE CAN INTO OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, UM, THAT IS MORE OR LESS WHERE WE'RE AT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO OFFER OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT KATIE WAS SAYING AND APPRECIATE STAFF, ALL THE STAFF WORKING SO HARD ON, ON TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LOT TO, FOR US TO DIGEST, SO I'M SURE IT'S EVEN MORE FOR Y'ALL TO DIGEST AND TRY TO MAKE, IS THIS ON THIS ITEM? MM-HMM OKAY.

NUMBER TWO.

PERFECT.

YEAH.

UM, DO WE TAKE THE PUBLIC

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COMMENT OR KEVIN? YES.

JENNIFER GO.

I, DO YOU NEED TO GO TO PUBLIC SPEAKING FIRST? CAUSE I, I, I DO WANNA SAY SOMETHING BEFORE WE KINDA GET STARTED IN THE GROUP DISCUSSION.

UM, YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO, UH, DO THIS.

UM, DO WE HAVE MONICA SILVA? I CHAIR THAT IS ACTUALLY FOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, BUT I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO, UM, SPEAKERS REGISTERED, UH, ON THE PHONE.

OKAY, PERFECT.

WELL LET'S AND THEY SHOULD BE ON YOUR LIST.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GO TO THE TWO.

UM, LISA, I APOLOGIZE.

UM, OEO O LISA, IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, YOU GOT YOUR THREE MINUTES.

UH, PLEASE WE'LL START WHEN, UH, WHEN YOU START TALKING AND I APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR LAST NAME.

OKAY.

NO PROBLEM.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, YOU'RE GREAT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, COOL.

ALL, YEAH, IT'S LISA ARSEN NOVA THAT'S.

OKAY.

WE, WE ALL GET IT MISPRONOUNCED A LOT ANYWAY.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH IN FAVOR I AM OF THE CODE AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 25.

I'M I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER WITH AN EMPHASIS ON MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, PRACTICES AND ALSO GRAY INFRASTRUCTURE PRACTICES.

SO I SEE A LOT OF THIS, LIKE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, OUT IN THE FIELD, AND I'M JUST A REALLY BIG PROPONENT OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, SO JUST THREE POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE, CAUSE I KNOW THREE MINUTES GOES FAST, BUT I JUST THINK REQUIRING THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE IS SO NECESSARY IN ORDER TO REALLY CAUSE CHANGE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE BENEFITS WE'VE BEEN TRAINED ON HOW TO DESIGN IT AND INSTALL IT.

BUT IF IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, THEN DEVELOPERS, DESIGNERS AND PLAN REVIEWERS.

THEY'RE JUST NOT GONNA EASILY CHANGE IT.

IT'S A CHANGE FOR THEM.

SO THE, THE REQUIREMENT I THINK, IS JUST REALLY IMPORTANT TO, FOR THE POLICY TO CHANGE.

AND THEN A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN THE SLIDE PRESENTATION WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING PARKING LOTS TO DRAIN TO LANDSCAPE AREAS OR TO DRAIN OFF OF THE PARKING LOT INTO THE LANDSCAPE AREAS, REMOVING THAT SIX INCH CURB IS JUST SUCH A SIMPLE FIX.

THAT'S SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

IT REALLY IS A GAME CHANGER IN HOW MUCH STORM WATER YOU CAN TREAT FROM PARKING LOTS.

SO I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A REALLY GOOD, UH, ITEM TO HAVE IN THERE.

UM, AND THEN THIRD IS JUST THE FUNCTIONAL LANDSCAPE IS SUCH A GOOD WAY TO HANDLE REAL CONDENSED, UH, SMALL URBAN AREAS WHERE YOU CAN STACK THE BENEFITS OF THE LANDSCAPE.

LIKE NOWADAYS EVERYBODY HAS TO WEAR THREE HATS BECAUSE IT'S ONLY HANDS ON DEBT TO TREAT STORM WATER, REDUCE RUNOFF.

SO HAVING YOUR LANDSCAPED AREAS ALSO ACT AS YOUR WATER QUALITY AREAS.

IT'S NOT ONLY GETTING MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK FOR THE, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT IT'S ALSO, UH, JUST A REALLY GOOD SYSTEM OF ALLOWING ALL THESE OPTIONS WITH A SCORE ASSOCIATED TO IT THAT YOU CAN PICK FROM IT'S LIKE A MENU YOU CAN PICK FROM, AND THEN YOU CAN GET THESE POINTS.

AND SO IT'S AN EASY SYSTEM FOR DESIGNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO MANAGE, I THINK.

AND IT'LL ALSO MAKE IT SIMPLER FOR THE REVIEW PEOPLE WHO ARE REVIEWING IT.

SO THOSE ARE JUST THREE POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE THAT, JUST SHOW THAT I'M REALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR TAKING THE TIME.

OKAY.

UM, THE NEXT ON, UH, PHONE PHONE IN, UH, UH, COMMENTER IS BRIAN ZAB.

ZICK, ARE YOU THERE, BRIAN? UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, PLEASE.

GO AHEAD.

HI.

UH, THANKS A LOT FOR GIVING ME THE CHANCE TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS BRIAN ZICK.

I AM THE ADVOCACY DIRECTOR AT SAY BARTON CREEK ASSOCIATION.

WE WERE FOUNDED IN 1979 MAKING US NOT ONLY ONE OF THE OLDEST, UH, CITIZENS, ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS IN THE CITY, BUT INDEED IN THE STATE.

UH, WE, UH, HAVE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON WASTEWATER OVER THE YEARS, BUT WE HAVE ALSO TOO FOCUSED ON THE DANGERS FROM STORM WATER POLLUTION AND, UH, THE PROBLEMS FOR FLOODING THAT COME FROM STORM WATER FROM EXCESSIVE AND PERVIOUS COVER, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN STRONG SUPPORTERS OF GREEN STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ALL ALONG.

UH, WE HAVE EITHER SPONSORED OR, UH, CO-SIGNED SEVERAL LETTERS TO COUNCIL IN SUPPORT OF THESE CODE CHANGES.

UH, FIRST IN 2017 AND AGAIN, IN 2021, URGING THE COUNCIL TO RESURRECT THESE PARTICULAR CODE CHANGES, UH, AFTER, UH, THE CODE NEXT PROJECT, UH, WAS TERMINATED.

AND SO WE ARE STRONG IN SUPPORT OF, UH, ALL OF THESE CODE PROPOSED CODE CHANGES, BUT ESPECIALLY THE ONE, UH, REQUIRING NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO USE GREEN STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WATER QUALITY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS GOING FORWARD.

UH, AND ALSO TOO, FOR THE FUNCTIONAL GREEN PROGRAM.

I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED TO HEAR, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION EARLIER FROM Z

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TO, UH, DELAY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF FUNCTIONAL GREEN UNTIL THE ECM IS UPDATED.

THIS FUNCTIONAL GREEN PROGRAM HAS BEEN DELAYED A LOT, AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IT IS GOING TO BE, IT IS GOING TO SPECIFICALLY APPLY TO, UH, PROJECTS WITH 80% OR MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER.

AND THAT MEANS MOST, A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING IN DOWNTOWN.

SO EVERY DELAY THEN IN ADOPTING THE FUNCTIONAL GREEN, UH, UH, PROGRAM MEANS A DELAY IN, UH, REDUCING THE IMPACT OF THE NEW IMPERVIOUS COVER FROM THESE NEW PROJECTS DOWNTOWN.

FINALLY, I WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME, GOING BACK TO 2007, WHEN THE COUNCIL PASSED A REVOLUTION TO USE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND INNOVATIVE STORM WATER FACILITIES AND NEW CITY CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS TURNED OUT BEAUTIFULLY IN 2009, THE COUNCIL CREATED GREEN ROOF ADVISORY GROUP HEADED BY ELLIE MCKINNEY, A REALLY PROMINENT LO LOCAL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

THEY INTRODUCED THEIR REPORT THE FOLLOWING YEAR IN 2012.

IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PA PLAN, UH, PROMINENTLY INCLUDED GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AMONG THE CITY'S GOALS IN 2014 COUNCIL ABSOLUTE CODE NETS FOCUS INCLUDE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND SUSTAINABLE WATER MANAGEMENT IN 2014, THE WATER RESOURCE PLANNING TASK FORCE.

THIS WAS THE DROUGHT TASK FORCE ENDORSED GSI, AND ALSO IN 2014, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE COMPLETE STREETS POLICY, WHICH ENDORSED THE USE OF GSI IN NEW TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS IN 2016, THE FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE ENDORSED THE USE OF GSI IN 2017, THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE WORKING GROUP ENDORSED GSI.

AND I REALLY WANT CHECK THAT'S YOUR TIME.

WOULD YOU MIND PREPPING UP YOUR THOUGHTS? THANK YOU.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

OKAY.

UH, ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO ENVIRONMENT COMMISSION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MAY, 2017 FOR A GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE RESOLUTION THAT THE COUNCIL, UH, THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED THEN DID HE COUNCIL PASS THE GSI RESOLUTION IN 2017? UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS HONESTLY BEEN STEADY TO DEATH, UH, AND THE BENEFITS HAVE BEEN PROVEN.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY TIME THAT WE MOVE FORWARD BOTH WITH REQUIRING GSI, FOR WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND FOR IMPLEMENTING THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT ONE.

UH, IS IT ROY WALLY, YOUR CLUB? OH, IS THAT MAYBE THAT'S THE CLOSEST ONE DID DO WE ACTUALLY, UM, I THINK CITY STAFF HAD A CLARIFICATION IN REGARD TO, UM, HIS, THE DELAY OF THE FUNCTIONAL GREEN.

SURE.

WE CAN, WE CAN CLARIFY ON THAT ONE, IF THAT'S USEFUL FOR Y'ALL.

UM, THE DELAY THAT WAS ASKED FOR BY ZAP WAS NOT ANYTHING THAT WASN'T ALREADY IN THE WORKS SO FUNCTIONAL.

GREEN'S THE ONLY ITEM THAT JUST THERE IS NO CRITERIA FOR IT YET, CUZ IT'S NEVER EXISTED BEFORE.

SO THE INTENT THERE WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE CODE THAT DOESN'T HAVE CORRESPONDING CRITERIA, BUT BASICALLY THAT AS SOON AS CRITERIA IS READY, WHICH IT ALREADY IS, AND WE WILL PLAN TO GO THROUGH AN EMERGENCY RULES, CHANGE PROCESS FOR, UM, THAT CODE WILL GO INTO EFFECT.

SO IT'S THE LOGISTICS OF GETTING THOSE RULES ADOPTED IN AN EMERGENCY PROCESS.

ONE OTHER THING, IT MAY NOT ACTUALLY WIND UP BEING A DELAY AT ALL.

UM, IF WE CAN GET THE STARS ALIGNED.

SO, SO FROM, SO TO UNDERSTAND THAT OR TRY TO REPEAT IT, IT, THEY WOULDN'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL THE CRITERIA MANUAL IS ESTABLISHED AND THEN THEY WOULD MORE OR LESS EMERGENCY GO INTO EFFECT ONCE THAT ONCE THEY EXIST IN THE CRITERIA MANUAL.

CORRECT.

SO THE EMERGENCY RULES ARE A PROCESS THAT, UM, DOESN'T ACTUALLY GO THROUGH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THEY GO THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, BUT THEY HAVE A ONLY A LIMITED TIME.

AND SO WE ADOPT THOSE EMERGENCY RULES.

UM, AS SOON AS THE ORDINANCE CAN GO INTO EFFECT, IDEALLY, UM, OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER AND THEN WORK ON GETTING THE LDC, THE, UH, ECM UPDATED OFFICIALLY THROUGH THE OFFICIAL PROCESS THAT HAS STAKEHOLDER INPUT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL YOUR TIME, MS. ROLLIE? NO, UH, UH, SO , WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

YOU'RE THREE MINUTES START.

OKAY.

AND IT'S IT'S WHALE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I ALMOST NAMED MY SON WALLY, JUST TO GIVE HIM A LIFETIME OF AGGRAVATION AND HE'S HAD ONE ANYWAY.

UM, AND IT'S GOOD TO LOOK ACROSS HERE AND SEE MY FRIENDS FROM WATERSHED AND, AND SAY, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS REALLY WISH Y'ALL HAD COME TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY AND SAID, HERE WE GO WITH THIS.

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN GOING THROUGH IT.

SO THAT'S FINE.

THE MAIN THING I WANT TO SAY HERE BEYOND, THANK YOU, UH, IS THANK YOU TO BRIAN.

ALSO, HE DID A GREAT PRESENTATION

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AND IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A TRAVEL LOG OF MY LIFE.

I I'VE BEEN TO ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS, UM, FOR SIERRA CLUB AND I AM THE CONSERVATION CHAIR FOR SIERRA CLUB.

THE THING I WANT TO STRESS IS THAT WE, WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO DILUTING OF THE SOS ORDINANCE THAT WAS A CITIZEN DRIVEN, UH, ORDINANCE AND THE CITIZENS WORKED HARD ON THAT AND IT SHOULD PRE BE PRESERVED AND IT, IT PASSED FOR A REASON.

UM, SO LET'S, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE OTHER THINGS.

YEAH, THERE'S A, JUST BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF WARMY APPLES IN THAT APPLE CART OF CODE NEXT DOESN'T MEAN THERE, WEREN'T SOME REALLY GOOD APPLES IN THERE TOO, AND, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THOSE NOW, UH, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THE SOS ORDINANCE REMAINS AS STRONG AND AS UNDILUTED AS IT HAS BEEN AND STRONGLY ENFORCED BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE TRYING TO NOT JUST NIBBLE AT THE EDGES, BUT SEND IT TO THE PAPER SHREDDER.

SO LET'S CONTINUE TO PROTECT THAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHY PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE TO AUSTIN AND DROVES IS YEAH.

JOBS, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF AUSTIN, BECAUSE OF WHAT MAKES AUSTIN, AUSTIN AND BARTON CREEK AND, AND BARTON SPRINGS, UH, THE POOL, THAT'S A BIG PART OF AUSTIN, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY CREEK IN TOWN.

WE'VE GOT WONDERFUL CREEKS ALL ACROSS, UH, OUR CITY.

WE NEED TO DO SOME PROTECTION FOR WALNUT CREEK AND LITTLE WALNUT CREEK.

UH, WE NEED TO PROTECT THOSE EAST SIDE CREEKS AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR OTHER, UH, BELOVED CREEKS.

SO THANK YOU.

AND, UM, SEE Y'ALL LATER AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND, AND, UM, I'M GONNA LET Y'ALL GO.

THANKS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR COMING TO THE COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S IT FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, JENNIFER, DID YOU WANNA, UH, CHIME IN, GO FOR IT? YEAH, THANKS.

UM, I, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAD A, A CHANCE TO READ, UM, THE, UH, ZONING AND PLANNING, PLANNING, COMMISSION, UM, RESOLUTION THAT THEY SENT FORWARD.

I'D LIKE TO READ IT.

SO IT'S ALL FRESH IN OUR MIND.

AND, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE THAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.

I KNOW LIZ TOUCHED ON IT, UM, WITH WHAT WE DID.

UM, BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA READ THROUGH IT.

SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE CLEAR, UM, THAT SOUND OKAY.

KEVIN SOUNDS GREAT.

GREAT.

OKAY.

UH, WHEREAS THE, UM, AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL PASSED RESOLUTION 2, 2, 2 6 0 9 61, RELATING TO ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND WATER QUALITY.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED THE CITY MANAGER TO ADDRESS THE EQUITABILITY PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT THROUGH THE I'M SORRY, THE EQUITABLE PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF AUSTIN AS PART OF THE WATERSHED PROTECTION STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND WHEREAS THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS INCLUDE GREEN STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND FUNCTIONAL GREEN TO LESSEN THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT AND PROVIDE OTHER BENEFITS.

AND WHEREAS THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS LESSEN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS FOR SOME PROTECT, UM, PROJECTS, INCLUDING WATER QUALITY CONTROLS, CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, CONSTRUCTION ON SLOPES AND WATERSHED, UH, AND WATERSHED IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS.

WHEREAS THE CITY OF AUSTIN ZONING AND PLATING COMMISSION, WE WELCOMES IMPROVED ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS AND WATER QUALITY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION ENCOURAGE THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE C 20, UH, 2022 DASH 0 0 5, A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, THE IMPLEMENTATION TO FUNCTIONAL GREEN REQUIREMENTS WILL BE DEFERRED UNTIL, UH, SUCH TIME AS THE EMERGENCY RULES FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL VERTICAL MANUAL IS, UH, ADOPTED, UM, TO REFLECT THE APPROPRIATE CRITERIA, ALLOW A BOAT DOCKS TO REMAIN WITHIN 50, UH, FEET OF THE LAKE, AS IT RELATES TO ITEMS 25 DASH EIGHT DASH 25, UH, B TWO AND 25 DASH EIGHT DASH 27 D TWO UNDER SECTION 25, 8 DASH SIX 40 E FOR LOTS THAT CANNOT MEET THIS REQUIREMENT AND MECHANISM TO ALLOW SMALLER UNITS WILL BE DEVELOPED, UM, REMOVE 25 DASH EIGHT DASH TWO 30 A ONE

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PROPOSED CHANGES AND CLARIFY THAT IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS IN 25, 5 DASH THREE B 13 B IS THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ALLOWED BY THE ZONING NOT TO EXCEED 55%.

I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT THAT LAST ONE.

I'M NOT TRACKING ON THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, UH, THEN IT GOES DOWN INTO PHASE TWO, WHICH, UM, UM, IS REQUIRE THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF TO WORK WITH AUSTIN'S EQUITY OFFICE TO ADDRESS INEQUITIES CREATED BY DIFFERENT RULES FOR THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE AND CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONES, SUCH AS BARTON SPRINGS.

ONCE THE AFFORDABILITY IMPACT IS DETERMINED, ANY NEGATIVE ASPECTS WILL BE COUNTERBALANCED WITH INCENTIVES TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO NEGATIVE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THESE NEW REQUIREMENTS RECOMMEND THAT ALL SUBDIVISIONS AND SITE PLANS AND URBAN WATERSHEDS MEET SLOPES, MEET STEEP SLOPE PROTECTIONS AND RECOMMEND NEW AND REDEVELOPED PROJECTS TO USE GREENFIELD CONDITIONS AS A BASELINE WHEN CALCULATING DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO READ THAT OFF.

SO WE HAVE IT FRESH IN OUR MIND.

I KNOW THAT'S A LOT ON THERE, BUT, UM, THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE ZONING AND PLATTING WAS GOING, UM, AND WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE, UH, WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, UM, WITH THIS CODE.

THANKS, KEVIN, THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH.

AND TO KIND OF SET, SET THE TABLE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, I THINK I, I ASK, KAY, LET US SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO EVERYONE TO KIND OF COME WITH YOUR IDEAS OF, OF, UH, PARTS THAT YOU LIKE AND MAYBE PARTS THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS ON OR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM STAFF, UM, WITH THE PLAN OF TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION, VERY SIMILAR TO ZAP THAT, THAT ARTICULATES, UM, KIND OF OUR, UH, AS A BODY, OUR OPINION OF, OF, OF THINGS TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN TO, TO COUNSEL.

UM, I, I, I KNOW WE HAVE A LIMITED WINDOW HERE.

UM, AND I, ONCE AGAIN, APPRECIATE STAFF AND ALL OF US FOR TAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW THINGS I'D LIKE TO, LIKE WE DID TWO WEEKS AGO KIND OF GO AROUND, UH, AND, AND GIVE EVERYBODY SOME TIME TO ARTICULATE FOR, FOR OTHERS TO HEAR MAYBE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO LIKE, OR THEY HAVE CONCERNS ON OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

AND THEN, UM, TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH SOME KIND OF A RESOLUTION OF SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SUPPORT.

THAT WOULD BE MY GOAL FOR TONIGHT.

UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? I USUALLY CALL ON PRIMER FIRST.

I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT.

UM, UH, WHO SHERA YOU'RE OUT YOU GOT EYE CONTACT WITH YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME.

OKAY.

UM, SO MY IDEA WAS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY, UM, BRING AFFECTED NEIGHBORHOOD DRAINAGE SYSTEMS UP TO CODE.

AND, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT AS I REFERENCED IN THE LAST MEETING WAS, UM, ENSURING THAT THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS MEET SLOPE REQUIREMENTS.

SO, OKAY.

UM, AND I, I THINK THAT SOME OTHER, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MIGHT SPEAK TO FLOODING CONCERNS, BUT, UM, I I'M DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE, UM, SOME OTHER PEOPLE TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THAT.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING, ANYTHING THIS WEEK, UH, CITY STAFF, YOU READY? MR. BRUNNER? ALWAYS.

OKAY.

WELL, I I'D LIKE TO GO WITH THIS.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT STAFF HAS DONE ON ALL THESE ITEMS, UH, YOU KNOW, GREEN, UH, UH, GREEN STORM WATER DRAINAGE, UH, PARKING LOT STORM WATER, FUNCTIONAL GREEN SLOPE REQUIREMENT, SYSTEM CAPACITY.

ALL THESE ITEMS ARE CRITICAL IN BRINGING EVERYTHING UP TO DATE.

YOU KNOW, THE YEAR 2022, UH, AS EVERYONE KNOWS THE, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REALLY HAS A, SEEN A MAJOR, UH, UPTICK ON ITS, UH, APPROACH TO THINGS SINCE THE, UH, EARLY EIGHTIES.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS ALMOST LITERALLY ONCE IN A GENERATION OPPORTUNITY TO SET WHAT THE POLICY, THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 40 YEARS, 50 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S A, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE ITEMS AND NOT ONLY SAY, WELL, WHAT'S IT NEED TO BE TODAY, BUT WHAT'S IT GONNA BE 40 YEARS FROM NOW? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS,

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YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPACT STUFF, NOT ONLY TODAY, BUT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, AND BE REALLY AGGRESSIVE ABOUT THE WAY WE LOOK AT THINGS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF DO THAT.

UH, AND I WANNA LOOK AT THINGS, YOU KNOW, HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF.

AND I'D LIKE TO THINK, UH, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR PUTTING THIS INTO MY MIND AT THE LAST MEETING, BY GOING THROUGH IN A DETAILED MANNER, SOME OF THESE ITEMS, CUZ IT CAUSED ME TO THEN GO THROUGH THESE, UH, ITEMS, THESE CHANGES WITH A LOT MORE DETAIL THAN I HAD ORIGINALLY GONE THROUGH.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT I DON'T SEE IN HERE AND THAT JUST LEAP OUT AT ME, UH, BY THE YEAR 2030, ALMOST EVERY MAJOR CAR MANUFACTURER ON THE PLANET IS ONLY GONNA BE MAKING ELECTRIC CARS.

AND THIS IS NOT DISCUSSED ANYWHERE IN HERE.

NOW WE TALK ABOUT HOW, HOW BIG PARKING LOT SPACES ARE AND HOW MANY THERE ARE AND THIS SORT OF THING.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROVISION FOR ELECTRIC CARS AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND WE'RE NOT OKAY NOW, UH, IF YOU GO AROUND, LIKE I'M GONNA JUST POP TO MY MIND, BARTON CREEK MALL, YOU GO OUT THERE AND I KNOW NO ONE GOES TO MALLS ANYMORE.

I DON'T GO TO MALLS AND YOU KNOW, SHOOT MY GENERATION BUILT THEM.

UH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GO OUT THERE AND THERE'S ACRES OF PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE UNUSED AND PEOPLE TALK ABOUT TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE MASS TRANSIT.

WELL, IF YOU PROVIDE OF PARKING SPOTS, THEN YOU'RE JUST ATTRACTING CARSS.

AND WE REVIEWED A, UH, APPLICATION FROM A DEVELOPER AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WAS GONNA HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE PARKING SPOTS FOR 60 APARTMENTS.

OKAY.

NOW I'M NOT SURE WE WANT TO BE THAT AGGRESSIVE.

THAT'S PRETTY AGGRESSIVE, BUT SHOULDN'T, WE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN WE WERE AT THE TIME OF THE BUILDING OF BARTON CREEK MALL.

AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT NOW.

UH, THERE'S TALKING ABOUT IN HERE ABOUT IRRIGATION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING WITHIN DEVELOPMENTS.

I WENT OUT TO A, UH, PICK UP SOME DOG FOOD TODAY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, UH, LANDSCAPING IN THIS PLACE WHERE I WENT IS DEAD.

AND SO THAT RAISES THE QUESTION IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF REQUIRING LANDSCAPING, HOSES AND SPRINKLER STUFF.

IF THEY'RE JUST GONNA LET IT DIE.

I MEAN, IT'S A WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME AND MONEY.

MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE IT WITH CACTUS.

YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, THERE ARE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO RE REDUCE THE REQUIREMENTS, TO USE WATER, UH, CATCHMENT, WATER SYSTEMS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, FUNCTIONAL GREEN AND THIS SORT OF THING AND, AND PUTTING, UH, YOU KNOW, GREEN STUFF ON TOP OF, UH, BUILDING THIS SORT OF THING, BUT WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CATCHMENT WATER AND USING THE, THAT WATER FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, WATERING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING MATERIALS, THESE ARE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT, AT, UH, IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT THE CHANGE IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE GOING NOW, WE HAVE LONGER SUMMERS HOTTER, SUMMERS, LESS RAIN, BUT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THOSE CRITICAL FACTORS IN WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE DOCUMENTS.

OKAY.

SO YES, WE'RE, WE ARE DOING SOME THINGS WITH REGARD TO HEAT ISLAND, BUT THERE'S MORE THAT CAN BE DONE AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

AND SO IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING WITH A STATUS QUO IN MANY CASES, IS THAT REALLY WHERE WE NEED TO BE? IS THE STATUS QUO? IF WE HAVE HEAT ISLAND PROBLEMS, OR SHOULD WE BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE GO FROM, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING 60%, MAYBE WE SHOULD GO 58%.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE LITTLE THINGS.

UH, THE CITY HAS A, UH, GOAL OF HAVING A 50% CANOPY COVERED BY YEAR 2050.

THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO THIS IN, IN THIS, IN THE DOCUMENT, THERE'S NO SUPPORTING PROCESS OR PLANS TO ENCOURAGE THIS ON THE PART OF DEVELOPERS OR ANYONE IN HERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY OUTSIDE OF CODE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE WAY TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE DEVELOPERS ON BOARD WITH THIS IS TO AGGRESSIVELY CHALLENGE THEM, TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOT HAVE THEM BE

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SEEN AS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

UH, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED IN HERE WAS THE, THE MISSING MIDDLE.

AND I AGREE THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT NEED TO BE SOLVED, BUT, UH, SHOOT, I GET THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME.

THESE ARE SPECIAL NOTICES ABOUT ZONING NOW, JUST CUZ I SIGNED UP FOR ALL THIS STUFF.

UH, I GET LIKE FIVE OF THESE A DAY UP, YOU KNOW, UP IN NORTHWEST AUSTIN FOR ZONING AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER IT IS PEOPLE ARE DOING UP THERE AND THESE ARE ALL IN ENGLISH.

NOW I REMEMBER AT ONE TIME I USED TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE COPY, ONE OF S IN SPANISH, BUT I DON'T GET THOSE ANYMORE IN SPANISH.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHY MAYBE IT'S CAUSE WHEN I SEND BACK RESPONSES, I ALWAYS SEND IT BACK THE ENGLISH ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF SOMEONE REQUESTS ZONING TO CHANGE IN EAST AUSTIN AND THEY GET THIS THING IN ENGLISH, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS AND GO LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN SPANISH AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO READ IT PERHAPS.

AND I GET THESE THINGS, LIKE I SAID BY THE BOATLOAD AND I'VE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE WITH IT.

I HAVE A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME THEY'RE GONNA DO.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE AND TRYING TO ANALYZE THE IMPACT, IT IS ON A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MAY NOT HAVE ENGLISH AS THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE OR, YOU KNOW, LEGALESE AS THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE CHALLENGED TO FIGURE OUT JUST WHAT THEY GOT IN THE MAIL AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO GO IN WITH THIS OR SUPPORT SUPPORTED OR OPPOSE IT OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO RIGHT NOW I SEE THAT WE'RE SO CLOSE TO MOVING THIS TO ADDRESSING PROBLEMS 20, 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW.

I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE IT OVER THE FINISH LINE AND MOVE IT TO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IN 2050 AND SAY THAT BACK IN 2022, WE HAD THE FORESIGHT TO PLAN THIS STUFF.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AND MY, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION FOR A, UH, MOTION WOULD BE TO GET TOGETHER AS A COMMITTEE, AS WE DID ONCE BEFORE, PERHAPS, UH, TWO MORE SESSIONS WITH THE SAME COMMITTEE, ME MEMBERS AND WORK ON A LINE BY LINE ANALYSIS OF THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN'T COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE THE WORDING OF THE, UH, DOCUMENT.

SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS WORTH.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS COMMISSION.

I'M I'M SORRY.

REALLY QUICK POINT OF ORDER.

UH, CHRISTIAN, BRIAN, WERE, WERE YOU MAKING A MOTION OR YOU, OR, OR YOU JUST DISCUSSING THAT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I THINK HE WAS JUST DISCUSSING I'M DISCUSSING THAT I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT AT A LATER TIME.

GREAT.

OKAY.

UM, SO I WANNA SAY JUST THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE STAFF FOR WORKING VERY HARD ON THIS.

UM, I KNOW IT'S ENOUGH BEEN IF YOU WANNA CALL IT CHEATING.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING.

I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, ZONING AND PLANNING, WHICH I WATCHED WHAT WAS GOING ON LAST NIGHT.

I DID DO A QUERY ON CODES AND ORDINANCES BECAUSE I KNOW THEY DISCUSSED THIS ITEM, BUT I COULD NOT FIND ANY RECORDINGS OF ANY DECISIONS OR DISCUSSIONS OR EVEN THE MEETINGS.

SO THAT WAS SOMEWHAT OF A CONCERN FOR ME WHEN I DID NOT FIND A RECORDING ON SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE MADE PUBLIC TO THE COMMUNITY.

BUT ANYWAY, UM, I KNOW THE STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY IN MEETING WITH EACH OF THESE COMMISSIONS AND THAT'S A LOT OF WORK IN LATE NIGHTS, LATE EVENINGS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS IS AGAIN, THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE ADVANCES REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS THAT THIS BRINGS FORWARD.

UM, BUT MY CONCERNS ARE GOING TO BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE CONSIDER COMMISSIONS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.

WE NEED TO ALWAYS ALLOW FOR PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT, ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT LIVE WITH THE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE.

UM, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.

UH, I WORRIED WHEN I SAW LANGUAGE REGARDING REMOVING, NOT PROVIDING PUBLIC NOTIFICATION WHEN CHANGES ARE BEING MADE TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORS OR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

I ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE REMOVAL.

AND SO I'M PROPOSING THAT WE REMOVE THE CHANGES UNDER 25 DASH EIGHT DASH 25 4 REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL

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AT, YOU KNOW, IF NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS ARE ADDRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, WE NEED TO BE INFORMED AND WHO BETTER THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CAN COMMUNICATE THOSE CONCERNS TO THE STAFF, TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL OFFICIALS, THEY HAVE THEIR TERMS AND THEY, YOU KNOW, GET TERM LIMITED.

THE NEW PERSON NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON HISTORICALLY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS TO STAY ENGAGED.

THEY DEVELOP THAT PRODUCT.

SO THAT NEEDS TO STAY.

IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND I LOOK AT EQUAL PROTECTION, WHICH IS THE INTENT OF THIS RE RESOLUTION.

AND I I'M WORRIED THAT WE MAY LOSE SIGHT OF THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MISSING MAAL ISSUE AND I'M FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND ALSO THIS IS AUSTIN AND WHAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE HERE IS HOW WE HAVE BEEN VERY DILIGENT IN PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT IN CERTAIN PARTS OF AUSTIN.

SO MY, MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE AREAS IN EAST AND CENTRAL.

AND WHEN I SAY EAST AND CENTRAL AUSTIN, I'M REFERRING TO THE, THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE THAT IS REFERENCING THE RESOLUTION.

WE HAVE AREAS AND CORRECT ME STAFF, IF I'M WRONG, WE HAVE AREAS IN EAST AND CENTRAL AUSTIN THAT ARE NOT, DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS AS PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE.

WE HAVE AREAS IN EAST AND CENTRAL AUSTIN THAT DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS AS PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE.

WE HAVE PROPERTIES IN EAST AND CENTRAL AUSTIN THAT DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS AS PROPERTIES PROTECTED BY THE SOS OR SAVE OUR SPRINGS ORDINANCE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WATERSHED PROTECTION ESTABLISHED RULES THAT WENT INTO EFFECT MAY 18TH, 1996.

SO ANY PROPERTIES THAT YOU KNOW MAY HAVE BEEN EITHER PLANTED OR PART OF A SUBDIVISION, THEY GOT THOSE REVIEWS, ANY PROPERTIES PRIOR TO THAT DATE THAT WERE PLANTED OR CREATED VIA SUBDIVISIONS DID NOT GET THOSE REVIEWS.

SO WE HAVE A POTENTIAL FOR CREATING THE SMALL AREA PROJECTS THAT CAN INCLUDE UP TO 11 UNITS IN A SMALL LOT THAT WILL NOT GET THE REVIEWS THAT ARE NEEDED.

OTHER PROPERTIES HAVE RECEIVED BECAUSE OF THE MAY 18TH, 1996 RULE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO REVIEW THOSE SAME PROTECTIONS WERE GONNA CREATE AN EVEN MUCH MORE VULNERABLE PART IN EAST AND CENTRAL AUSTIN.

SO MY CONCERN IS GOING TO BE, HOW DO WE PROTECT THOSE PROPERTIES? AND MY PROPOSAL IS I SAW WHAT, WHAT ARE ZAP COMMISSION DID YESTERDAY? THEY TALKED ABOUT THE CREATING A PHASE TWO, AND MAYBE IF THOSE PROPERTY, FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT, THAT HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS, MAYBE THEY MAY BE READY FOR THE UP TO 11 UNITS BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD THOSE REVIEWS.

BUT FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS THAT I'VE REFERENCED EARLIER, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO EXEMPT THOSE PROPERTIES FOR NOW AND MAKE THEM PART OF PHASE TWO SO THAT WE CAN THEN MAKE A TRUE ANALYSIS AS TO AND PROVIDE EQUITABLE PROTECTION, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS PROTECTING THOSE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NOT BENEFITED FROM ANY OF THESE PROTECTIONS THAT CERTAIN AREAS OF AUSTIN HAVE HAD.

I ALSO WORRY THAT WE'RE ALSO ON ONLY FOCUSING SAW IN THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.

IT TALKED ABOUT THE URBAN WATERSHED, BUT SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO OCCURRING IN THE SUBURBAN WATERSHED.

WHAT ABOUT THOSE WATERSHEDS? I ALSO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

UM, OH, HERE IT'S.

SO I THINK WE, AND I THINK THAT IS ADDRESSED, THAT IS BROUGHT UP IN THE THIRD BULLET IN THE UNDER PHASE TWO THAT IS IN THE, IN THE ZAP RECOMMENDATION.

SO RECOMMEND THAT ALL SUBDIVISIONS INSIDE PLANTS IN URBAN WATERSHEDS, I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE SUBURBAN WATERSHEDS.

YEAH.

UM, JUST TO POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UM, SLOPES ARE PROTECTED EVERYWHERE IN AUSTIN EXCEPT FOR URBAN.

SO

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THIS WOULD BE BRINGING THOSE SLOPE, SAME SLOPE PROTECTIONS INTO THE URBAN WATERSHEDS.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND KNOW, UM, I ALSO WORRY ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY IMPACT AND THE FOCUS IS HERE, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT PACKED, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT? SO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO CONSIDER BOTH AND CREATE A BALANCE.

IF WE'RE ONLY GONNA FOCUS ON THE FINANCIAL IMPACT FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THEN WHAT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FOR THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS? SO AGAIN, I FEEL IS CRITICAL THAT WE TAKE ALL OF THOSE ISSUES INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING VICE SHARE THIS MOMENT? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, LET'S GO REMOTE, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, BARRETT, BIGLER.

DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? HI.

YES, I DO.

UM, I'D FIRST LIKE TO SAY, UH, THANK YOU TO STAFF, UH, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ON THIS AND ALSO TO MY FEATHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR, UM, FOR BRING RAISING LOTS OF GOOD QUESTIONS AND FOR CREATING THIS DIALOGUE.

UM, I, I DO HAVE ONE, UM, QUESTION THAT IT IS A CARRYOVER FROM THE CONVERSATION FROM, UM, OUR LAST MEETING AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S, I IT'S KIND OF LIKE TAKES TWO PARTS TO, TO LEAD UP TO MY QUESTION.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN FOLLOW, BUT, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE IN, IN GENERAL, I, IN AS AUSTIN'S BEEN DEVELOPING, UM, EVEN IN AREAS WHERE IT'S LIKE SF ONE ZONED AREAS, FOR EXAMPLE, I FEEL LIKE THE TREND IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN POTENTIALLY LIKE SMALLER HOMES ON LARGER, LARGER LOTS THAT ARE GETTING REDEVELOPED.

AND THEN THEY'RE BECOMING NOW ON THAT SAME PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST, IT'S A LARGER HOUSE ON THE SAME SIZE LOT, BUT THEY ARE STILL MEETING, YOU KNOW, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMIT AT 55%.

IT JUST HASN'T, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE LOTS WERE NOT BUILT UP TO THAT, YOU KNOW, UP TO THAT, THAT MAX LIMIT AND THE TREND IS THOSE HOUSES ARE GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER.

SO THEN SORT OF THE QUESTION IS IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THIS, THAT, I GUESS IT'S MORE OF LIKE NOW LET'S ADD IT TO KIND OF THIS, THE SECOND PART OF, OF THIS SORT OF LIKE THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF THEN, UM, HAVING MORE OR POTENTIALLY INCENTIVIZING MORE UNITS, UM, WERE, ARE, SORRY, I GUESS MORE PROPERTIES WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY 11 UNITS WHERE YOU COULD BE MEETING THAT MAXIM MAXIMUM AND PERVIOUS COVER LIMIT.

UM, AND THEN JUST ADDING THAT, YOU KNOW, CUMULATIVE CUMULATIVELY TOGETHER KIND OF LIKE IS THE CITY LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OR THE TOTAL ACRES OF ALL OF THAT.

AND MAYBE JUST, IF YOU TAKE PART WHAT I SAID, THE FIRST PART OF THIS, THAT'S JUST SORT OF LIKE A BACKGROUND CONTEXT.

IF WE JUST WANNA FOCUS SPECIFICALLY LIKE ON, ON SF FOUR AND SF FIVE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE SPECIFIC TO MORE, MORE SPECIFIC TO THE, THIS AMENDMENT, IS THERE LIKE A WAY FOR THE CITY TO MODEL OR TO, AS IT ADDED UP THE TOTAL POTENTIAL ACRES WHERE YOU WOULD BE SEEING AGAIN, IT'S STILL, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IS STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLYING WITH THE 55% LIMIT, BUT, BUT WHERE THE TREND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH SLOT POTENTIALLY, YOU'RE KIND OF MAXING THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND SO THE TYING IT INTO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, LIKE WHAT, IS THERE A WAY TO TRACK THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, LIKE THE IMPACT OF THAT THESE TRENDS, LIKE ON, ON WATER QUALITY AND ON STORM WATER RUNOFF, YOU KNOW, AND ON EROSION, LIKE THOSE KEY ISSUES THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVEN CLEAR, BUT, UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY POTENTIAL ACRES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.

AND THAT IMPACT, HI, THIS IS LIZ JOHNSTON WATERSHED PROTECTION.

LET ME, UH, TRY TO, UM, RESTATE WHAT I THINK I JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

SO WITH THE, WITH THE MISSING MIDDLE PROVISION AND JUST TO REEXPLAIN THAT AGAIN, CUZ IT CAN BE KIND OF HARD TO, FOR PEOPLE TO PARSE.

UM, THE IDEA FROM THE RESOLUTION IS THAT, UM, THE RES

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THE RE REGULATIONS THAT WE BRING BACK, AND THIS IS, UM, PUT FORTH BY COUNCIL MEMBER VELA THAT OUR RULES DO NOT DISINCENTIVIZE MISSING MIDDLE PROJECTS OVER SINGLE FAMILY FOR THE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

UM, WITH THE IDEA THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CAN BYPASS ENVIRONMENTAL RE ROUTE REVIEW AND JUST GO THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, BECAUSE THE IDEAS THAT WHENEVER THEY WERE PLOTTED, THEY MET WHATEVER RULES WE HAD AT THE TIME.

AND SO THEY WOULD, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH WHATEVER RULES WERE IN EFFECT WHENEVER THEY WERE PLATTED.

UM, BUT ONCE YOU GET TO THREE UNITS, IT GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRE SITE PLAN PROCESS.

SO INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH A REAL SIMPLE PROCESS WITH NO REVIEW THREE UNITS, YOU'RE SUDDENLY GETTING ALL OF THE REVIEW.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE DISCONNECT AND IT, AND IT, THE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN THAT THAT DISINCENTIVIZES PROJECTS TO DO MISSING MIDDLE.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE IS LIKE LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN WITH THE RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE WORKING UNDER IN THE COUNCIL DIRECTION THAT WE'RE WORKING UNDER, AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE WATERSHED PROTECTION AND NOT HOUSING AND PLANNING.

SO, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE LAND OF DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE, WHICH IS TO CLARIFY WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS DO APPLY TO SINGLE FAMILY, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN UNCLEAR.

SO NEW PROJECTS COME IN TECH IN THEORY, THEY SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO CURRENT CODE, EVEN IF IT'S A HOUSE, BUT MAYBE THEIR GRANDFATHERED.

MAYBE THEY'RE NOT, THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS, BUT PUTTING THAT ALL ASIDE AND SAY, THESE ARE THE, THESE CERTAIN THINGS WOULD APPLY.

AND THESE OTHER THINGS DON'T APPLY AND THEN APPLY THOSE SAME REGULATIONS TO THE MISSING MIDDLE PROJECTS.

NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN STILL GO THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT.

THEY STILL HAVE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS.

WE STILL HAVE EROSION CONTROL TREE REVIEW, UM, AND CUT AND FILL.

AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE PART OF THE SITE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS, BUT THE DSD COULD, IS SUGGESTING WE PROVIDE US A FASTER PROCESS CALLED A SMALL PROJECT SITE PLAN.

THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ZONING AT ALL.

UM, SO THERE ARE CURRENTLY VERY FEW, LOTS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO EVEN BE BUILT, UM, WITH MORE THAN TWO UNITS UNLESS THEY WERE REZONED, EXCEPT UNLESS IT'S AN AFFORDABILITY UNLOCKED PROJECT.

SO THAT'S JUST THE BACKGROUND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S, UM, AWARE OF THAT WE DID PUT A IMPERVIOUS COVER CAP AND A SITE CAP, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT WE ARE TO YOUR POINT ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT INCREMENTAL EFFECTS, NEGATIVE EFFECTS, UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS WE DON'T GET WATER QUALITY FOR THESE SMALL MISSING MIDDLE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE THE THOUGHT IS THAT IF IT'S A SMALL LOT, HALF AN ACRE OR UNDER THEN THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OTHERWISE, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN WATER QUALITY OR ANY OF THESE OTHER REVIEWS ANYWAY, BUT WE WOULD BE GETTING DRAINAGE REVIEW.

UM, AND SO WE WOULD BE GETTING SOME LEVEL OF, UM, OF RISK REDUCTION RELATED TO FLOOD ADVERSE IMPACT AND THAT SORT OF THING WE, WE WOULD NOT BE, UM, WE WOULD NOT BE MAKING IT WORSE FROM WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY.

WE WOULDN'T BE MAKING IT BETTER IN THEORY, IT WOULD BE JUST A NET NEUTRAL, UM, EFFECT.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OR MAYBE GOT THERE A LITTLE BIT.

I KNOW, UH, NICK KINCAID ALSO ONLINE TOO, AND I, I KNOW THAT, UH, HE MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT ON SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE DID DURING, UH, CODE NEXT.

UM, BUT, UH, NICK, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO THAT.

YEAH, I DIDN'T, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS ON HAND.

WE DID LOOK AT THIS AND I THINK JUST TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER, WE CAN, UM, AND YOU'RE, I THINK THE ASSUMPTION IS TRUE THAT, UM, FOR LIKE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONES, MAYBE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO TO 45%, BUT WE SEE THAT THEY OFTEN ARE MORE LIKE 30%.

UM, AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF SITES THAT CAN ADD MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER, UM, EXCUSE ME, UN YOU KNOW, ON OUR FLOOD MODELING SIDE, WE DO CONSIDER THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OF IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT'S ALLOWED ON THE SITE, NOT JUST HOW MUCH IS THERE TODAY.

UM, AND WE CAN DO THAT ON SOME OF OUR WATER QUALITY MODELING AS WELL.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL INTEGRITY INDEX THAT DOES MONITOR ACTUAL STREAM WATER QUALITY CONDITIONS.

UM, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR 20 PLUS YEARS AND WE'LL CONTINUE DOING THAT INTO THE FUTURE.

AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER DATA POINT AS WELL.

AND SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOUR FLOW.

CAN YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SO IT'S ON RECORD.

OH, I APOLOGIZE.

NICK KINCAID, WATERSHED

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PROTECTION DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO YEAH, I THINK I CAN, UH, LOOK MORE INTO THE DATA THAT WE PREPARED DURING CODEX AND LDC R AND GET A BETTER, UM, QUANTITATIVE RESPONSE TO THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.

UM, OKAY, THANKS.

AND, AND I GUESS IT, I THINK IT, IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION OF IT IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, IT, I DEFINITELY AM FOR IN, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVIZING, UM, ADDRESSING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN ISSUES WITH URBAN STRAW URBAN SPRAWL.

SO THEN I THINK IT TIES TO THE QUESTION OF ARE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS TOO HIGH, AND IT ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, IN, IN LIKE WHILE AMENDMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU'RE MAKING CHANGES TO POTENTIALLY LOWER THEM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE TREND THAT WE SEE THAT LIKE THEY'RE, THESE ODDS ARE GETTING BUILT OUT MORE AND HARD OF TO, TO REACH THE LIMITS.

I, SO I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER.

UM, AND, UM, SO WITH THE, THE RESOLUTION THAT WE GOT, WE, WE REACTING TO CAME FROM CITY COUNCIL AND IT DIRECTED STAFF TO INCLUDE THE ELEMENTS LISTED AND ALSO SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, REWRITE PROCESS.

I KNOW IMPERVIOUS COVER WAS CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

THERE WAS A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO RAISE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS.

UM, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY, UM, POLITICALLY DIFFICULT.

OF COURSE, WATERSHED ALWAYS WANTS LESS IMPERVIOUS COVER.

IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL FOR US, BUT, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE, I MEAN, STAFF WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND IT, BUT YOU ALL CERTAINLY COULD THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS KEVIN.

UH, I WOULD SAY, UM, NICK, IF WE COULD GET OUR ARMS AROUND, LIKE THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF, OF, OF THESE AREAS THAT MORE OR LESS MAY BE INCENTIVIZED TO GET UP TO 55%, UM, YOU KNOW, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, KIND OF HAVING AN IDEA OF HOW MANY ACRES IN, IN, IN THE WATERSHEDS AND THEN TYING IT BACK TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, INTEGRITY INDEX WOULD BE AWESOME.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT , I CAN RA I CAN RAMBLE THOSE FEW WORDS OUT VERY QUICKLY, BUT I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR, FOR YOU.

UM, BUT, BUT GETTING OUR TO, TO WHERE WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW, HOW MANY ACRES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHIN, WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A WATERSHED THAT WOULD, I THINK HELP US UNDERSTAND THE, THE CUMULATIVE EFFECTS THAT, THAT I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER BARRETT, BIGLER IS TALKING ABOUT.

UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK.

I WASN'T SUGGESTING WE COULD NECESSARILY RELATE THOSE VALUES BACK TO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL INTEGRITY INDEX MORE JUST THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME MONITORING DATA THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE USE, UM, THERE.

YEAH, NO, I, I APPRECIATE IT.

AND CHAIR ROMBERG, UM, UH, KATIE REMIND ME OF THIS.

UM, I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST TIME AND I THINK WE, IT WAS SOMETHING AROUND 3000 LOTS, UH, THAT, UM, COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THIS CHANGE.

DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT WHAT YOU REMEMBER FROM LAST MEETING? THAT'S, UH, AN ESTIMATE, BUT AS I KIND OF SAID, THERE ARE SOME DATA, UH, INCONSISTENCIES WITH BEING ABLE TO USE THE TCAD DATA WITH OUR ZONING DATA.

UH, BUT THAT, THAT IS A VERY ROUGH ESTIMATE OF SCALE BEAR BIGLER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, NO.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

KHA.

DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND THANKING STAFF FOR, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE TIME TO DO THIS, WHAT, FRANKLY, EVERY TIME I LEAVE, ONE OF THESE MEETINGS SEEMS LIKE SOMEWHAT THANKLESS WORK OTHER THAN THE PERFUNCTORY COMPLIMENTS THAT WE GIVE.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HATS OFF, UH, ALSO I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER GEAR, COMMISSIONER BRIER, NO SURPRISE THERE THAT THOSE TWO, YOU KNOW, HAVE, UH, GOOD SUGGESTIONS THAT TAKE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY INTO ACCOUNT THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE, THE PROCESS IN WHICH WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE MOST EQUITABLE SOLUTION TO ALL THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE FACE.

UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER GEAR SAID, I THINK SORT OF THE, THE PHASE TWO OF THESE CODE UPDATES,

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UH, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT, UH, SORT OF LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE, UH, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S CONSIDERED A CRITICAL WORRY QUALITY ZONE OR LIKE A SOS SORT OF THING.

LIKE SHE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT REALLY, UH, A SIMILAR THING ON THE EAST SIDE, EXCEPT FOR, I GUESS, WALTER ELONG, UM, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE THAT SORT OF COMES FROM THE SIDE OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAN HILL BRANCH, YOU KNOW, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, TAN HILL CREEK, FORT BRANCH, YOU KNOW, BOGGY CREEK, UH, I MEAN, TO BE FRANK, I MEAN, WHERE I'M FROM, WE ALWAYS SEE LIKE TRASH IN THE CREEKS AND YOU ALWAYS SEE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FLOODING, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK, WELL, YOU SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE WEST SIDE TOO, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS WE GROW DEVELOPMENT WISE, RIGHT, ARE WE GOING TO SEE MORE OF THAT ON THE EAST SIDE OR ON THE WEST SIDE? AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO, UH, SORT OF TILT THE SCALES RIGHT DECADES FROM NOW? UH, I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO SORT OF KEEP IN MIND.

I ALSO STRONGLY AGREE WITH HER THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UH, OF THESE REQUIREMENTS AND THE AFFORDABILITY SORT OF IMPACT STUDY AS WELL AS FINANCIAL.

UH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A NO BRAINER.

UM, AND THEN, YEAH, ONE THING THAT I KIND OF NOTICED TOO, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT SORT OF A MAP OF, YOU KNOW, THE WATERSHEDS AND SORT OF HOW THEY FIT INTO THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONES, RIGHT.

WHETHER IT'S URBAN OR SUBURBAN, UH, THIS IS A MAP FROM 2013, SO MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTDATED.

UM, BUT I NOTICED THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, CARSON COUNTRY CLUB, EAST COUNTRY CLUB WEST, AND I THINK SOMEONE SORT OF LIKE MENTIONED THIS BRIEFLY THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS SUBURBAN, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED SORT OF BLOWING UP DEL VALLEY FROM LIKE A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE.

RIGHT.

I THINK EVERYONE WOULD SEE LIKE EAST RIVERSIDE, EAST OLD TURF, UH, YOU KNOW, ST ELMOS THE AREA AROUND, YOU KNOW, 71 AND 180 3, UH, AROUND THE AIRPORT.

RIGHT.

IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE, UH, URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT NOW.

RIGHT.

SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO STILL HAVE THIS BE IN THE SUBURBAN CLASSIFICATION INSTEAD OF URBAN, YOU KNOW, UM, MY THOUGHTS WOULD BE IF THERE'S MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PROTECTIONS THAT ARE GIVEN TO SUBURBAN VERSUS URBAN, RIGHT, THAT'S FINE.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FORWARD, RIGHT.

AND THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE HEAVILY DEVELOPED, HOW ARE WE ABLE TO REGULATE IT MOST EFFECTIVELY, UH, TO ENSURE ENVIRONMENTAL EQUITY? RIGHT.

UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, THOSE WERE PRETTY MUCH, UH, THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD.

UM, YOU KNOW, I AGREED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING GOOD WORK AND THAT WE'VE STILL GOT WAYS TO GO, BUT, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT FOR ME, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

UM, OKAY, WELL, I'LL AGREE AS WELL.

THANK YOU, STAFF.

AND I'M SORRY THAT WE'RE JUST SO CONTRARIAN SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

UM, THIS STARTED LIKE EVERYONE HAS SAID MANY YEARS AGO, AND I THINK IT WAS INITIALLY CALLED STREAMLINING, BUT JUST FOR YOU GUYS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, UM, WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHEN CODE NEXT WAS PROPOSED AND WE TRIED DESPERATELY TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS, UM, UNDER A FEROCIOUS DEADLINE.

AND I WAS REALLY PROUD OF THOSE EFFORTS.

SO I AM JUST SAYING THAT IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CONCERN ME, I'LL ALWAYS WANT THE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE TRAFFIC TO BE, UH, CONSIDERED IN THE, THE MISSING MIDDLE, BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE ADVERSE IMPACTS BECAUSE OF GREATER DENSITY.

AND WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, IT CONCERNS ME WITH THE MISSING MIDDLE BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCES IN THE TRANSITION OR CHANGE OF THIS.

AND PEOPLE WILL NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH IT AND THERE WILL BE, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO, UM, TO DEAL WITH IF THIS IS WITH, IF THIS IS ADOPTED.

SO I'M, I'M REAL CONCERNED WITH THE PUBLIC, NOT HAVING A REVIEW INITIALLY, UM, IN THESE CHANGES SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IT.

UM, I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, CAN PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR DEVELOPERS AND, AND PEOPLE TO COME AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR LAND.

THE PROCESS IS ALREADY EXPENSIVE, SO I'D JUST LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO REVIEW IT ON A PUBLIC LEVEL FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE AGREES WITH THAT, BUT I JUST THINK THE CHANGES COULD BE DISCUSSED.

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UM, LET'S SEE ALL OF THE CHANGES.

UM, LET'S SEE.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON REAL QUICK.

LIZ, DO YOU, YOU DON'T MIND, DO YOU DO DO THE MISSING MIDDLE, LIKE THE, THE SITE PLAN LIGHT REVIEW? WILL THAT INCLUDE A, A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS OR DO WE KNOW, OR TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FIRST WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY TRANSPORTATION RULES WITH THIS, SO IF IT NEEDED A TRANS, A TIA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, CURRENTLY THEN IT WOULD STILL NEED THAT WITH THE SITE PLAN LIGHT.

OKAY.

SORRY, SORRY TO INTERRUPT THOMPSON.

OH, NO, THAT'S GOOD.

UM, LET'S SEE.

UM, ALSO, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET, UM, WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND THE FACT THAT WE'RE ASKING, UM, PEOPLE TO, UH, HAVE FUNCTIONAL GREEN IN A DROUGHT.

AND IT IS LIKE COMMISSIONER BRIER SAID, UM, HE WENT SOMEWHERE AND EVERYTHING WAS DEAD.

SO THE, THE AC CON CONDENSATE AND SISTERS, AND ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS NEED TO GO HAND IN HAND.

SO I REALLY LIKE TO CONVINCE STAFF FOR, UM, TAKING THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IN PLACE SO THAT, UM, IF WE GIVE A CREDIT FOR THIS AND IN ONE AREA THAT IT IS NOT A SYSTEM THAT'S SET UP TO FAIL.

SO I'M ALSO CONCERNED THOUGH, UM, ABOUT THE STAFF, I GUESS IT WILL BE, UH, THE DEVELOP, I GUESS IT'LL BE LIKE THE TREE ORDINANCE, THE FUNCTIONAL GREEN, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE REMAINING GREEN.

AND, UM, LET'S SEE, OKAY.

EVERYTHING COMPLIES WITH ATLAS 14, AND LET'S SEE, I'M, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA MANUAL IS BEING REDONE.

AND YET, AS I READ THROUGH THIS, IT SAYS IN REFERENCE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA.

SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE, EVERYTHING IS A MOVING TARGET.

AND I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN LIKE IN THE PROCESS FOR A LONG TIME, BUT, UM, IT IS A LOT OF CHANGES.

SO LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE HAVE I GOT HERE? UM, OH, THE WETLAND MITIGATION PROCESS.

I WAS, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED BY THAT BECAUSE, UM, I, I JUST, I'M NOT SURE THAT I LIKE WETLANDS TO BE MITIGATED, BUT I'LL, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT HIGH POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

THIS IS LIZ JOHNSTON.

AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, UM, THE WE'RE NOT CHANGING MITIGATION STANDARDS FOR CURRENT CODE.

THERE ARE CERTAIN CHANGES TO THAT SECTION THAT REALLY RELATE TO REMOVING, UM, SPECIFICALLY RE REMOVING THE ABILITY FOR WETLANDS TO SERVE AS WATER, QUALITY PONDS.

UM, NOT THAT THAT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND WE DON'T HAVE GOOD CRITERIA FOR IT.

SO WE'RE REMOVING THAT AND KIND OF RE CHANGE THAT REMOVAL'S KIND OF FORCED US TO CHANGE THE WORDING, BUT MITIGATION IS ALREADY A, UM, AN SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER CURRENT CODE.

OKAY.

AND THEN LET'S SEE, THERE WAS ONE OTHER AREA, OH, RIPARIAN, UM, MITIGATION THAT, THAT KIND OF, BOTH OF THOSE, UM, AND IN-CHANNEL DETENTION PONDS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UM, ARE THINGS THAT CONCERN ME AND CHANGES THAT WE WILL HAVE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA MANUAL.

AND SO I WANT, I MEAN, WE JUST REALLY HAVE TO KEEP WORKING AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING FITS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE A GIANT PUZZLE.

AND, UH, IF, IF IT WORKS ACCORDING TO PLAN, IT WILL BE WONDERFUL.

BUT I THINK IN THE INITIAL PHASES OF IT, I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS AS THEY SEE THEM IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, UM, I, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF THAT BECAUSE WHEN