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[00:00:02]

OKAY, SO, UH, YEAH.

ALL GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

SO CALL THE SEPTEMBER 21ST, UH,

[CALL TO ORDER]

2022 MEETING OF THE TOURISM COMMISSION BOARD TO ORDER WE HAVE A QUORUM.

DO WE HAVE, WELL, OKAY.

ON THE CALL TO ORDER, DO I, DO WE DO, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

DO WE DO A ROLL CALL OF EVERYONE PRESENT OR IS THAT JUST IN THE RECORD? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

PRESENT TODAY, MYSELF.

RACHEL MCGEE IS CHAIR, UH, COMMISSIONERS, A ALTA ALEXANDER DISTRICT ONE HAS RESIGNED.

SO PLEASE REMOVE HER FROM THE ROSTER ON YOUR AGENDA.

SO DISTRICT ONE C IS VACANT.

UH, ALSO PRESENT ED BAILEY, JOHN REEDY, DANIEL ROWLAND, UM, GREG SHANNON AND BILL BUNCH AND MIKE KINAD ABSENT LOIS RODRIGUEZ.

AND, UH, THE MAYORAL CHAIR IS STILL VACANT AND ABSENT IS KEN SMITH, VICE CHAIR.

UM, UNLESS HE JOINS US VIRTUALLY, WHICH HE MAY TRY TO DO.

SO IS, IS JOHN ON VIRTUALLY? NO, JOHN IS, UM, COLLECTING HIS CHILD FROM SCHOOL IN BK.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID HE WAS PRESENT JUST NOW.

YOU WERE CORRECT.

I READ THAT WRONG.

UH, JOHN REEDY IS ABSENT.

YEAH, I WAS READING DOWN THE LIST.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? OKAY.

NO SPEAKERS.

SO WE'LL GO TO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS TO APPROVE THE TOURISM COMMISSION BOARD, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 17TH, WHICH HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO YOU.

UM, ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE AUGUST 17TH MINUTES HEARING NO CORRECTIONS.

IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PRINTED? NO OBJECTION TO APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PRINTED, THEN THOSE MINUTES ARE, UH, APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

MOVING ON TO NEXT ITEM.

JUST, I WAS GONNA ABSTAIN SINCE I WASN'T HERE, BUT I, I COULDN'T TELL HOW YOU'RE GONNA PLAY THAT ONE, BUT TECHNICALLY I WASN'T HERE.

JUST LET IT GO.

JUST LET IT GO.

THAT MEANS WE CAN'T APPROVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SIX PEOPLE THEN TO APPROVE THEM.

NO.

YEAH.

THAT THE LAST TIME IN WAS HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO POSTPONE THE, UM, SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

THEN WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO POSTPONE THE APPROVAL OF THE AUGUST MINUTES AND LESS.

UM, KEN SMITH JOINS US VIRTUALLY.

UM, DOES IT LOOK LIKE KEN SMITH IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY? THERE IS NO ONE ON NO ONE ON, YEAH, HE SAID HIS INTERNET CONNECTION WAS NOT GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS NOT APPROVED, BUT POSTPONED.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ITEM,

[2. Discussion and possible action on Annual Internal Review and Report]

DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW AND REPORT, WHICH HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GONNA BRING UP ON THE SCREEN FOR US AND STAFF.

BRING THAT FROM THE SCREEN.

THANK YOU.

BIG CHANGE.

OH, THAT'S TOO BIG, TOO MUCH.

YEP.

YEAH.

THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

READY FOR, TO MOVE UP? YEP.

ROLL IT SO WE CAN SEE THE NEXT ITEM.

THE NEXT PAGE.

[00:05:02]

I'VE JUST RECEIVED A TEXT MESSAGE FROM KEN SMITH THAT HE THINKS HE'S IN SINCE HE NEEDS SOMEBODY TO PERMIT HIS AUDIO.

ALL RIGHT.

CAN YOU, UH, MOVE TO THE SECOND PAGE OF THE TOURISM REPORT FOR US PLEASE? THANK YOU.

I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

WELL, NO, KEN, WELCOME.

SO ADD, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

SO WE'LL ALTER THE RECORD THAT KEN SMITH VICE CHAIR HAS ALSO JOINED US VIRTUALLY, UM, WHICH MEANS ONCE WE'VE APPROVED THESE OR, UM, TAKEN ACTION ON THE REPORT THAT'S BEFORE US THE ANNUAL REPORT, WE CAN GO BACK TO APPROVING THE MINUTES, I BELIEVE.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

WE'RE, UH, REVIEWING THE SET SECOND ITEM OF THE AGENDA, WHICH IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW AND REPORT AT THE MOMENT.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT PAGE TWO ON THE SCREENS.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION THAT WILL BETRAY MY FOUR MEMORY? SURE.

ON ITEM FOUR D MM-HMM I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.

DID WE CONSIDER AT SOME POINT EARLIER THAT KIND OF PROPOSAL? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE AIRBNB POLICIES THAT THE CITY I REEM, I FEEL LIKE, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.

RIGHT.

I FEEL LIKE WE DID, WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER? COMMISSION BAILEY? I THOUGHT VANESSA FLINT DOES, WAS KIND OF GUIDING THAT PROCESS ALONG MM-HMM MM-HMM LIKE SHE HAD TAKEN THAT ON AS A MM-HMM THE WORKING GROUP, SO TO SPEAK.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I RECALL, BUT MM-HMM OKAY.

I, I WISH MY MEMORY WERE CLEAR, BUT I THOUGHT MAYBE I CAN'T TELL IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALREADY.

THIS SEEMS TO BE SAYING IN THE NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS FINE, I GUESS.

AND SO WELL, THERE'S ALSO CUZ IT'S AN ANNUAL REVIEW.

IT MAY BE THAT THAT ACTION HAPPENED ON THE, YOU KNOW, EVEN EARLIER.

YEAH.

AND WAS ON THE LAST ANNUAL REVIEW.

OKAY.

BECAUSE WITH THE, WITH THE SHUTDOWN, WITH THE PANDEMIC, IT'S KIND OF IT'S THROUGH MY TIMELINE OFF AS TO WHAT WE DID WHEN, UM, DID WE DO AN ANNUAL REVIEW RIGHT? FIRST YEAR? I, I REMEMBER THE, UH, CHAIR WITTINGTON PUT ONE TOGETHER.

YEAH.

CHAIR, CHAIR.

THERE YOU GO.

UM, I THOUGHT THE REASON THAT THIS WAS ON THERE IS BECAUSE THEIR AIRBNB B WAS MAKING A DUE PROPOSAL.

UM, I THOUGHT SOME MONEY HAD REPORTED THAT IN ONE OF OUR LAST TWO MEETINGS ABOUT COLLECTION OF HOT.

RIGHT.

AND ON THEIR SITE WHEN THEY WERE MAKING RESERVATIONS, I, I UNDERSTOOD THIS TO MEAN IN EFFECT COMES UP, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD UNDER, WE WOULD UNDERTAKE IT.

OH, OKAY.

SO IT'S AN UPCOMING I, AND I RECALL THAT WHAT WAS IN THAT PROPOSAL WAS THAT THEY WERE ASKING TO BE RELIEVED AT PREVIOUS YEAR IF, IF THEY STARTED COLLECTING AND REMITTING, AS I THINK THAT WAS THE PLAN ALSO, THEY WERE ASKING TO BE RELIEVED OF ANY LIABILITY FOR PREVIOUS YEARS.

MM-HMM SO THE MOTOR, THE START NOW GO FORWARD AND FORGET THE PAST MM-HMM .

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS AS FAR AS STAYING ON TRACK WITH THAT, BUT I THINK CONTINUING TO WATCH HOT RECEIPTS THROUGH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT HBS MADE AND WE DISCUSSED THE DISPLACEMENT OF THE HOTEL NUMBERS AND THAT WE NEED TO KEEP, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION, I THINK, TO KEEP OUR EYE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.

MM-HMM COMMISSIONER SMITH.

WHEN YOU DRAFTED THIS, UM, ITEM FOR D WAS THAT IN THERE? A REFERRING TO A PAST RECOMMENDATION OR A PROPOSAL THAT'S UM, A FUTURE PROPOSAL OR PROPOSAL THAT'S CURRENT, IT SAYS REVIEW OF AIR AIRBNB HEALTH PROPOSAL.

YEAH.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY.

MM-HMM YEP.

OH GOOD.

I, I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS WE HAD WAS TO REVIEW THE AIRBNB, UH, H A T PROPOSAL RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE FOR THE DOWNTOWN, UH, COMMISSION.

SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD MAKE A SIMILAR

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PROPOSAL TO US AS WELL.

OKAY.

SO FUTURE, FUTURE GENDER I, RIGHT.

OKAY.

CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE, UH, ANOTHER PAGE YOU SCROLL TO THE NEXT PAGE? IF THERE IS ONE, RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

IS EVERYBODY FINISHED REVIEWING THE ANNUAL REPORT, THE DRAFT ANNUAL REPORT OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE IT? SO, SO MOVED, IS THERE MOVED BY COMMISSIONER RONAN? IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BAILEY.

ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER BUNCH? UM, COULD, COULD YOU SCROLL IT BACK TO THE PREVIOUS PAGE? SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE NUMBER FOUR IS TALKING ABOUT LOOKING FORWARD, NOT JUST BACK, CORRECT.

IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

THE COMMISSION'S GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR INCLUDE, AND IT'S A LIST OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SO ALL, ALL OF THESE ARE TALKING ABOUT REVIEWING OR LOOKING AT MM-HMM AND THERE'S NO STATEMENT OF WHAT I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, WHICH IS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL CONCERNING THESE SUBJECTS.

MAY, MAY I INTERJECT WITH THAT COMMISSIONER? CERTAINLY.

UM, IF, JUST REMEMBER THAT I DID THIS ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, SO WE MAY HAVE MOVED FORWARD ON SOME, UH, IDEAS WITH THIS, BUT THE, THE PURPOSE AT THE TIME WAS WHEN WE WERE REALLY JUST SETTING THIS UP INITIALLY, WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT OUT THERE WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON, OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, NOT WHAT WE HAVE BASICALLY COMPLETED AT THIS POINT.

OKAY.

I, I THINK TO COMMISSIONER BUN'S QUESTION, I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REVIEWING A NATURAL RESULT OF THAT MIGHT BE, WE COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION THROUGH THAT REVIEW PROCESS.

MM-HMM , UM, SOMEWHERE THIS YEAR.

SURE.

THAT WOULD BE OUR, THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL IS TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION OR NOT, DEPENDING ON HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT.

IS THAT YOUR CONCERN? YES.

AND I, I THINK THAT'S NON CONTROVERSIAL, SO I WOULD HOPE WE MIGHT HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WE JUST ADD A, A CONCLUDING LINE AT THE BOTTOM ON THE LAST PAGE AND TO MAKE APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL CONCERNING THESE SUBJECTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT STATEMENT WOULD BE, BE FINE.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FRIENDLY AMENDMENT MISSION CHANNEL.

I WOULD SAY, UM, POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATIONS CONSIDER LIKE ON, I WOULD SAY CONSIDER POSSIBLE APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATIONS CUZ WE MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ANY OR ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

PERHAPS WHAT WE COULD DO IS PUT AS THE COMMISSIONER'S GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR TO INCLUDE, I WOULD BE.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD WAY TO ADDRESS IT AS WELL.

CAN YOU REPEAT THAT FOR US? PROBABLY NOT.

NO FOR COMMISSIONS GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR AND POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME EVERYBODY.

OKAY.

WITH THAT AMENDMENT.

ALL RIGHT.

I HEAR NO, I SEE.

NO OBJECTION TO THAT AMENDMENT.

UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE DRAFT ANNUAL YOUR REPORT? I, I, I DO HAVE ONE FROM COMMISSIONER CHEN.

THERE'S THE, CAN YOU GO THROUGH THE VERY LAST PAGE AGAIN? THANK YOU.

IT'S THAT ITEM G TEPID IS DISCUSSING ITS SCOPES AND, AND OBJECTION, OBJECTIVES.

MM-HMM I DIDN'T REALLY, I KNOW WHAT THE TEPID IS, BUT THERE'S A COM THERE'S A WORKING GROUP, I THINK.

YEAH.

WE HAVE A TEPID WORKING GROUP.

OKAY.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S MEANT TO SAY TEPID WORKING GROUP IS DISCUSSING ITS SCOPE AND OBJECTIVES AND ALSO, UH, TO CHANGE THE FORM OF IT'S THERE'S A GRAMMAR ERROR THERE.

YEAH.

UM, BUT I MAYBE TO MAKE IT MORE FORWARD, UM, I'M SORRY ABOUT TALKING IS A SOUND GREAT.

UM, TO THE, THE ORIGINAL LINE SAYS THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED.

I, I ACTUALLY CAN'T SEE IT ON CUZ IT'S NOT PRINTED HERE.

SO

[00:15:01]

IF IT, IF IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE A, AN ACTION VERB AT THE BEGINNING OF G UM, CONTINUE DISCUSSING SCOPE AND OBJECTIVES WITHIN THE TPI GROUP, IF I CAN INTERJECT AGAIN, I HAD ACTUALLY REQUESTED, UH, THE VERBIAGE FROM THE TEPID GROUP MM-HMM AND NOT HAVING RECEIVED ANYTHING.

I'M SORRY.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

YEAH, NO, NO.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THAT IN THERE AT SOME POINT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED FOR US IN THE FUTURE RATHER THAN JUST ELIMINATED AT ALL.

SO WHATEVER VERBIAGE YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THERE IS I THINK IS APPROPRIATE OBVIOUSLY.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

AND I'M, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T GET BACK TO YOU.

I WAS LOCKED OUT OF MY EMAIL.

YEAH.

UM, WELL WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL BUSY, SO I KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

ABSOLUTELY.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT POINT ON THERE AT SOME POINT, FOR SURE.

THANKS AGAIN FOR WRITING THE REPORT.

UM SURE.

SO PERHAPS, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST CONTINUE DISCUSSING THE SCOPE AND OBJECTIVES OF THE TPI WORKING GROUP PERIOD.

SO YOUR, UM, SUGGESTION IS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CONTINUING DISCUSSING WHAT THE TEPID WORKING GROUP SCOPE AND OBJECTIVES ARE, NOT WHAT THE TEPID SCOPE AND OBJECTIVES ARE, WHICH IS HOW THIS READS, UM, GOOD POINT.

YEAH.

SO THEN THAT'S FINE.

I'M JUST, I THINK IT SHOULD BE BOTH.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE BOTH.

SO, UM, UM, FRAME THE WORK OF THE TPI, WE'LL JUST SAY THAT FRAME, THE WORK OF THE TPI WORKING GROUP FRAME FRAME, THE WORK YEAH.

FRAME.

SO THE WORK OF THE TEPID WORKING GROUP WHO, WHO IS ON THE GROUP THAT'S HERE THAT CAN TELL US, CAUSE I'M NOT ON IT MYSELF.

COMMISSIONER RONAN AND, UH, COMMISSIONER RE COMMISSIONER RE I THOUGHT Y'ALL, AS A GROUP WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY DON'T I ACTUALLY LIKED WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE, BUT I WOULD CHANGE CONTINUE DISCUSSING TO DEVELOP THE SCOPE AND OBJECTIVES OF THE TEPID WORKING GROUP.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

WOULD THAT WORK SOUNDS GOOD? YEAH.

SO, UM, THE SUGGESTION IS TO DE IS TO REPLACE 4G WITH DEVELOP THE SCOPE AND OBJECTIVES OF THE TEPID WORKING GROUP, EVERYONE ALL ALRIGHT WITH THAT AMENDMENT.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN REGULARLY MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE, UM, THE TOURISM COMMISSIONS DRAFT ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW REPORT WITH TWO CORRECTIONS.

UM, THE FIRST CORRECTION, UM, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE PAGE FOR ME PLEASE? THE FIRST CORRECTION? NO, NO, THANK YOU.

UM, ON ITEM FOUR, IT WILL READ THE COMMISSIONS' GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR INCLUDE AN ITEM FOUR G IS REPLACED WITH DEVELOP THE SCOPE AND OBJECTIVES OF THE TEPID WORKING GROUP.

UH, LET'S TAKE A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DRAFT REPORT WITH THOSE CORRECTIONS AS SPOKEN SIGNIFY BY I, NO, I FINE.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

THAT IS A, THOSE THAT DRAFT REPORT IS ADOPTED AND, UM, WHO DOES THOSE ACTUAL CORRECTIONS SO THAT THE CORRECTED VERSION GOES TO THE CITY? WOULD THAT BE? WE ASK THE VICE CHAIR TO DO THAT ME.

OKAY.

GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

DO WE WANT TO GO BACK AND I WOULD LOVE TO GO BACK AND APPROVE

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST MEETING.

UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF WE SOLVE THE SAME, IF WE ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION, BECAUSE I SEEM TO RECALL THAT WASN'T THE AUGUST MEETING WASN'T THERE, BUT I NOT ATTENDED.

I WATCHED THE VIDEO.

YOU WATCHED THE VIDEO.

OKAY.

CAUSE IT WAS NOT WELL ATTENDED.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

UM, DID IT, DOES THAT COUNT WELL, IT'S THE RECORDING OF THE MEETING.

IT'S THE RECORDING OF MEETING.

SO I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY WHETHER THE MINUTES ARE ACTIVE OR NOT.

OKAY.

WELL, CITY LEGAL COMES AFTER US.

I SURE YOU, WE CAN RUN FAST.

TAKE THAT TOO.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE TOURISM COMMISSION.

BOARD'S REGULAR MEETING ON AUGUST 17TH, 2022 I'LL AND OBTAIN A MOTION, UH, DEJAVU TO APPROVE THESE MINUTES.

NO.

ANY MOTION YOU MOVED, MOVED BY A COMMISSIONER.

SHANNON SECONDED

[00:20:01]

BY COMMISSIONER BUNCH.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AUGUST MINUTES HEARING NO DISCUSSION OR THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES SIGNIFY BY EYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? NO, I DIDN'T SAY I I'M SORRY.

ANY, YOU WERE AN I, I I'M AN I OKAY.

ANY ABSTENTIONS? ONE ABSTENTION.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, KEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE VOTING TOOLS.

I'VE APOLOGIZE.

I HAVEN'T BEEN WATCHING YOUR SCREEN.

THAT'S OKAY.

I SAID I WAS I ON BOTH.

YOU WERE AN I AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ITEM ON THE

[3. Discussion and possible action on Downtown Commission Recommendation 20220420- 2(d) on Convention Center Expansion adopted by the Downtown Commission on April 20, 2022]

AGENDA ITEM THREE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.

YOU HAVE THAT PRINTED ON THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION, WHICH, UH, AM I CORRECT IN SAYING, IS, HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION? YES.

ADOPTED ON BY THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION ON APRIL 20TH, 2022.

UM, OH, WHAT AM I GETTING HERE? OH, THANK YOU.

UM, ALRIGHT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UM, IF TAKE ACTION OF SOME SORT, IF THERE IS ONE.

WELL, IF ABOVE, IF I MAY, I KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER REEDY WAS WANTING TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY ACTION ON THIS MM-HMM .

UM, SO I WOULD REQUEST OUT OF A COURTESY FOR HIM THAT WE POSTPONE ANY ACTION, BUT IF WE WANT TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT TODAY, YOU WANNA MAKE THAT WE COULD DO THAT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE? AND I THINK I'LL PUT IT TO MOTION BECAUSE WHILE I THINK THAT IS VERY HONORABLE, I FEAR THAT IF WE POSTPONE SOMETHING, SO SOMEBODY ELSE CAN COME THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GONNA LOSE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE SHOWN UP FOR THIS MEETING.

AND SO IT BECOMES, IT BECOMES UNFAIR.

UM, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MOVE TO POSTPONE IT AND THEN THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS CAN, CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT.

OKAY.

UH, QUESTION MAYBE, UM, SURE.

ARE, IS THERE A DEADLINE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REACH WITH THE DISCUSSION OR ANY POTENTIAL ACTION THAT COMES OUT OF THIS AGENDA ITEM? CAN YOU, UH, SPEAK TO THAT? CAUSE I DON'T.

YEAH.

UH, MY, MY IMPRESSION IS THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING URGENT.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN TOLERATING PREVIOUS LACKS OF QUORUM AND RIGHT.

DELAYS AND POSTPONEMENTS.

RIGHT.

UM, I KNOW STAFF IS MOVING FORWARD, UM, WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UH, THE FINANCES ON, YOU KNOW, A NEW, A NEW CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION.

UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY MAJOR COMMITMENT OF RESOURCES THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE, WE WOULDN'T BE PREJUDICED IF WE WAITED ANOTHER MONTH.

THANK YOU.

AND YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

I JUST, BY ROBERT'S RULES, TYPICALLY YOU DON'T DISCUSS SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MOTION, WHICH IS WHY I WAS ASKING IF YOU WANT TO MOVE TO POSTPONE, AND THEN WE COULD DISCUSS WHETHER WE WANTED TO POSTPONE OR NOT.

UM, SIMILARLY, IF THAT'S NOT A MOTION YOU WANNA MAKE, THEN IF YOU WANTED DISCUSS THIS, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION NOW.

YES.

TO POSTPONE OR TO APPROVE THIS, UM, TO POSTPONE ACTION, TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THIS ITEM.

AND IF THE COMMISSION WANTED TO GO FORWARD AND DISCUSS IT FURTHER, UM, I, I WOULD, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT TO HAPPEN.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM TO A FUTURE.

NOPE.

NOT TO DISCUSS IT TO TAKE ACTION.

YES.

OH, OKAY.

A MOTION TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THE ITEM.

OKAY.

AND IF FOLKS FEEL INCLINED THAT THAT NEEDS TO INCLUDE DISCUSSION, THEN I WOULD HAVE IT INCLUDE THAT AS WELL.

BUT I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER REEDY, UH, MUCH AS THE OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER SHANNON, UH, YOU KNOW, REVIEWED THE VIDEO THAT HE COULD DO THAT AS WELL, UH, PRIOR TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND BE INFORMED ABOUT ANY DISCUSSION THAT WE MIGHT HAVE ON, ON THE SUBJECT.

SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR AS I THINK OF ROBERT'S RULES, IF YOU MOVE TO POSTPONE TAKING ACTION ON THIS ITEM, AND IF THAT IS SECONDED AND VOTED IN FAVOR, WE WOULDN'T DISCUSS THIS AT THIS MEETING AT ALL THE DISCUSSION AND, AND ALL OF THAT WOULD ALL BE POSTPONED BECAUSE YOU MAKE A MOTION.

LIKE IF WE MADE A MOTION TO

[00:25:01]

APPROVE THIS AND IT GOT SECONDED, THEN WE'D DISCUSS IT AND THEN WE COULD DISCUSS IT.

BUT IF YOU THEN DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE ON IT, THEN YOU COULD MAKE THE MOTION TO POSTPONE AT THAT POINT.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TO DISCUSS IT NOW, BUT NOT VOTE ON APPROVING IT UP OR DOWN, YOU, WE COULD MOVE TO TAKE UP TO, TO APPROVE THIS ITEM, GET A SECOND, DISCUSS IT.

AND THEN WE COULD MOVE TO POSTPONE TAKING ACTION ON IT.

BUT IF YOU MOVE TO POSTPONE IT FIRST, THEN WE ARE MOVING THE WHOLE ITEM TO THE FUTURE MEETING WITH NO DISCUSSION.

SO WHICH YOU, WHICH YOU, WHICH YOU LOOKING TO DO, AND I I'LL HELP YOU OUT.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, I AM A LAWYER.

I'M NOT A ROBERT RULE ORDER GUY THOUGH.

UM, WELL TELL ME WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO ACHIEVE AND I CAN GUIDE YOU IN WHAT YOU, UH, THE, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ACHIEVE IS HAVE ANY ACTION NOT HAPPEN AT THIS MEETING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT COMMISSIONER REY'S ABSENCE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND OUT OF COURTESY TO HIS INTEREST IN THAT.

RIGHT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT DO YOU WANT ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM TODAY WITH THOSE THAT HAVE, THAT ARE PRESENT? UH, I AM, I'M HAPPY TO EITHER HAVE DISCUSSION OR NOT.

OKAY.

IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO DIS CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION RIGHT.

FROM LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS RATHER PRODUCTIVE, I THOUGHT.

RIGHT.

UM, AND HAVE THAT HAPPEN TODAY.

I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD ON THAT TOO.

ALL RIGHT.

BUT I'M ALSO GOOD ON POSTPONING, BOTH DISCUSSION AND ACTION.

OKAY.

SO REST OF THE COMMISSION, HOW, WHAT ARE YOU ON? DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS THIS ITEM TODAY? POSSIBLY NOT TAKE ACTION ON IT, BUT AT LEAST DISCUSS IT.

OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST POSTPONE THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION AND ACTION TO ANOTHER MEETING? BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING SO THAT WE'RE MOVING TO DISCUSS THIS.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BUNCH HAD A MOTION.

IS, IS, CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? MY, MY MOTION IS TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THIS ITEM.

MM-HMM UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING.

MM-HMM I SECOND THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

THAT'S BEEN SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM? I WOULD LIKE A FRIENDLY, A, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER SMITH.

I WOULD JUST LIKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, UM, IN CONSIDERATION FOR COMMISSIONER REID, WHICH IS FINE.

I JUST THINK IN THE FUTURE, IF WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS AGAIN, WHERE SOMEONE IS NOT AVAILABLE, THAT WILL, WE WILL NEED TO POSTPONE IT AGAIN.

I MEAN, IF FOR SOME REASON I CAN'T BE THERE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE INTERJECTION AS WELL.

SO IF WE WANNA PUT POSTPONE AT THIS TIME, I'M FINE.

BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE HAVE OTHER, UM, COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE NOT PRESENT, THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESENT DURING THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE SAME CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE GIVING COMMISSION A READING UNDERSTOOD.

AND ALSO SO A CLEAR, UH, MOTION TO POSTPONE REQUIRES A TIME.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE'RE POSTPONING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN REVIEW.

AND THEN TO COMMISSIONER SMITH'S POINT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE, THAT WANTS TO BE PART OF THIS.

THAT'S WHEN WE CAN TAKE UP ANOTHER MOTION TO POSTPONE IT AND KICK IT DOWN THE CAN KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN, COMMISSIONER CANATA.

I THINK THIS IS ON THE MERITS OF THE QUESTION OF POSTPONING.

UM, IF WE POSTPONED, I THINK IT MIGHT, IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME IF THE CITY STAFF FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER HAS REALLY WEIGHED IN ON THIS, UM, DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SCOUR THE CITY'S WEBSITE FROM THEIR COMMISSION, WHICH IS ALMOST AS IMPOSSIBLE AS OUR WEBSITE.

AND I CAN'T QUITE TELL IF THAT IF STAFF, UM, HAS ACTUALLY WEIGHED IN A LOT OF THESE POINTS IN THIS RESOLUTION, IT FEELS LIKE I'VE, WE'VE HEARD THESE BEFORE.

AND IT FEELS LIKE IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY HASHED OVER ONCE, BUT MAYBE GIVING CITY STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY HAVEN'T.

AND IT WASN'T AT THE LAST MEETING.

SO I'M NOT SURE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE MINUTES THAT THEY PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING.

RIGHT.

BUT POSTPONING WITH IT ALLOWS CITY STAFF TO HAVE A CHANCE TO PROVIDE INPUT.

CUZ THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA UNDERSTAND THIS AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT.

SO MAY INTERJECT AS WELL.

UM, UH, COMMISSIONER IS, IS IF YOU WATCH THE, UH, VIDEO FROM THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION WHEN THEY MADE THIS RESOLUTION, WHICH WAS LATE AT NIGHT, ONE OF THE LAST ONES THEY DID, IT WAS BROUGHT UP ON THAT AT THAT MEETING THAT THEY HAD NOT, UH, TALKED TO OTHER PARTICIPANTS THAT WERE RELATIVE TO THE ACTUAL, UM, CONVENTION CENTER.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DIDN'T TALK TO, UH, VISIT AUSTIN.

THEY, IN FACT, THEY, ONE OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO TOM NEWNAN WAS AND THEY WERE, THEY, THEY INDICATED THAT THEY WERE GONNA PASS THIS RESOLUTION, BUT ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE OTHER PEOPLE TO

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PARTICIPATE IN THIS, INCLUDING THE CITY MANAGER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AS YOU WERE SAYING.

AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE AT THIS POINT, THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET.

SO BASICALLY GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID, UM, I, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES, IT GIVES THAT CITY ANOTHER CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY PASSED IT, THAT THE VOTERS HAVE PASSED IT.

AND ACTUALLY OUR COMMISSION ACTUALLY PASSED IT AS WELL, UNANIMOUSLY.

SO WHETHER WE KICK THE CAN DOWN OF THE ROAD OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS UP TO US, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO, IF WE DO GIVE COMMISSIONER REEDY THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE, THAT WE ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

IF WE POSTPONE THIS.

THANK YOU.

AND, UM, SO I'M CLEAR THERE'S TWO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON HERE IN TERMS OF POSTPONEMENT, UM, COMMISSIONER BUNCH IS LOOKING TO POSTPONE, SO THAT COMMISSIONER REEDY CAN BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

AND I THINK YOUR POINT THAT I JUST HEARD COMMISSIONER CANAL WAS THAT POSTPONEMENT WOULD BE GOOD TO GIVE STAFF A, AN OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY, YES.

TO SPEAK TO IT.

THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT POSTPONEMENT.

UH, THE MOTION TO POSTPONE USUALLY CONTAINS TO A CERTAIN TIME.

SO YOU CAN POSTPONE TO THE NEXT MEETING.

YOU CAN POSTPONE TO A CERTAIN DATE.

YOU CAN POSTPONE TO A CERTAIN EVENT.

YOU COULD POSTPONE UNTIL CITY STAFF HAVE APPEARED BEFORE US.

UM, BUT POSTPONE DOES NEED TO HAVE A TIME AT THE MOMENT.

WE JUST HAVE AN OPEN POSTPONE, SO WE COULD AMEND THE MOTION TO A TIME, WHETHER THAT, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, MY MOTION WAS TO OUR NEXT MEETING, TO THE NEXT MEETING.

RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, AND WE MAY NOT GET, UH, TO YOUR POINT.

WE MAY NOT GET THOSE PEOPLE BY THE NEXT MEETING.

SO YOU COULD MOVE TO POSTPONE.

YOU COULD MOVE TO AMEND IT TO A POST MOMENT TILL WE HEAR FROM THOSE PEOPLE.

AND IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE SECONDED THAT AMENDMENT.

OKAY.

DO, DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, AS WE AGREE TO POSTPONE AND MOVE THE NEXT MEETING BASED ON MIKE'S COMMENTS, CAN WE ASK FOR STEP FOR COMMENTARY BY THE NEXT MEETING TO THIS SO THAT WE HAVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? WE CAN SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS DOCUMENT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

YEAH.

WHILE WE REJOIN FOR THE DISCUSSION.

YEAH.

I'M JUST, YEAH, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ASK.

WE JUST DUNNO IF WE CAN GET IT ANOTHER WAY WE CAN HANDLE IT IS WE CAN GO WITH, WITH THE MOTION TO POSTPONE, TO THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN REACH OUT TO STAFF.

AND IF BY NEXT MEETING, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING, YOU ALL CAN MAKE A NEW MOTION TO POSTPONE IT AGAIN TO SOME OTHER ENTITY OR AGAIN, TO COMMISSIONER SMITH'S POINT.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY AT NEXT MEETING THAT ISN'T HERE, THAT WANTS TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT KEEPS IT FLEXIBLE.

JUST POSTPONE IT TO NEXT MEETING AND THEN KEEP ALL THESE THINGS IN MIND WHEN THE NEXT MEETING COMES, WHO'S PRESENT.

HAVE WE HAD ANY RESPONSE AND GO FROM THERE COMMISSION A BUNCH? YES.

JUST, UH, COMMENT ON A FEW OF THOSE THINGS FIRST, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY, TO YOUR POINT, I WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, EXTEND THE SAME COURTESY TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO MIGHT ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T BE THERE AND THEY WANNA PARTICIPATE ON THAT.

SECOND.

I WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT THAT THE VOTERS VOTED AGAINST THIS, UM, OR VOTED FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER.

THAT WAS NOT THE EXACT, WHAT THE VOTERS VOTED ON.

THEY VOTED ON A PARTICULAR PROPOSITION THAT CALLED FOR THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON IT.

AND FOR THE, UH, A LIMITATION OF HOW MUCH OF OUR HOT TAX WAS DEDICATED TO THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THAT PROPOSITION WAS VOTED DOWN, BUT IT WASN'T A VOTE IN FAVOR OF BUILDING THE CONVENTION CENTER.

AND WITH RESPECT, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO STICK TO THE MOTION OH.

SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION POSTPONE.

OKAY.

AND MY, MY OTHER POINT WAS, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM STAFF, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE, UM, KEEPING US BLOCKING US FROM ACTION BY SIMPLY NOT SHOWING UP.

UM, AND WE'VE HAD THAT BE A PROBLEM IN MY OPINION IN THE PAST.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO POSTPONE, UH, ANY ACTION ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RESOLUTION UNTIL NEXT MEETING.

THAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE US AT THE MOMENT, POSTPONING ANY ACTION ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RESOLUTION UNTIL NEXT MEETING? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER SHANNON? NO.

CAN I JUST SUGGEST THE MOMENT ALONG THE LINES? YOU SAID THAT, UH, IF BY THE NEXT MEETING, UM, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT VOTE, LET THE CHAIR KNOW THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT THERE IN THE SAME PROCEDURE, FURTHER POSTPONEMENT WOULD BE GRANTED.

UM, WE TO

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THE NEXT MOMENT.

SURE.

I MEAN, I I'M JUST, YOU COULD AMEND, WELL, YOU MEAN THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, YOU COULD DO, YOU COULD DO AN AMENDMENT, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UM, POSTPONED UNTIL ALL COMMISSIONERS WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTION OF PRESENT A MEETING.

YES, THAT'S FINE.

WELL, THAT'S LIKE ASSUMING THAT ARE WE AS ASSUME, DO THEY HAVE TO SPEAK UP THOUGH AND SAY THEY WANNA PARTICIPATE? RIGHT.

MM-HMM STILL, WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE, OKAY, THEY'RE NOT HERE.

THAT ASSUMES THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, WE COULD ALSO LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL NEXT MEETING.

WE'VE ALL HEARD IT'S ON THE RECORD.

THIS, THIS MEETING IS TAPED.

AND SO, UM, WE CAN HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE WHEN WE COME TO THE NEXT MEETING, THE, UH, OCTOBER MEETING THAT IF THIS COMES UP AGAIN, WE COULD HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.

SO THERE'S THAT OPTION ALSO.

OKAY.

UM, DID I HEAR COMMISSIONER SMITH CHIMING IN THERE FOR A MINUTE? NO.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

NO HEARD THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, WHICH DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST WITH HER.

BUT IT SOUNDS GOOD.

IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

UM, DID YOU, AND I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER PUNCHES, UH, INFORMATION ON THAT.

I'M I'M OKAY.

FINE.

YOU'RE OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION, WHICH IS TO POSTPONE ANY ACTION ON THE, UH, DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RESOLUTION UNTIL NEXT MEETING.

UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, JUST A QUESTION.

IS IT APPROPRIATE, INCLUDE THE MOTION AND REQUEST THAT STAFF PRESENT, OR DO WE DO THAT SEPARATELY? WE CAN DO THAT SEPARATELY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE ANY ACTION ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RESOLUTION UNTIL NEXT MEETING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

I GOT THERE.

THAT MOTION IS ADOPTED AND THE ITEM IS POSTPONED.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ME TO ASK IF THE COMMISSION WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO REQUEST THAT CITY STAFF? I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT.

I GUESS IT'S THE CONVENTION CENTER.

HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

OH, SORRY.

I'D LIKE TO GET THROUGH, UH, OUR OTHER ACTION ITEMS, OUR WORKING GROUP, UH, UPDATE, AND THEN WE HAVE AN ITEM, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. OH, OKAY.

AND THAT WOULD BE WHEN, UM, WE CAN TAKE THAT UP.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS

[4. Discussion and possible action on city clerk’s office responses regarding board’s bylaws]

DISCUSSION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE RESPONSES REGARDING THE BOARD'S BYLAWS.

DO WE HAVE ANY RESPONSES? WERE THOSE, ARE THOSE PRINTED OR ARE THOSE AN EMAIL? I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL YOU GET.

THAT'S ALL YOU GET.

WHO'S GOT PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY.

CAN YOU MAKE IT SLIGHTLY LARGER? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

JUST A PRELIMINARY QUESTION.

IS THIS THE RESPONSE TO OUR SPECIFIC REQUESTS AND WHY HAVEN'T WE SEEN THESE OR HAVE WE, YOU JUST GET THEM THIS MINUTE? OR I JUST WONDER WHY WE DON'T SEE THIS STUFF.

YEAH, I, I, ALL RIGHT.

SO IN TERMS OF ATTENDANCE, WHAT I'M SEEING IS IF WE SEE A PATTERN, THEN I NEED TO REACH OUT TO STAFF AND THE CORRESPONDING COUNCIL MEMBER AND LET THEM KNOW, AND THEY TAKE IT FROM THERE.

UH, I SAW A COMMENT.

THIS IS ON, SO, UM, THE WAY I READ THIS AND I'M JUST READING IT, BUT WHOEVER WROTE THIS, I FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO IDENTIFY WHO THEY ARE AND MAYBE THAT'S IN THE EMAIL THREAD.

UM, BUT I THINK PART OF THE QUOTE, I THINK PART OF THE TOURISM COMMISSION'S RECENT ISSUES ARE A RESULT OF CANCELED MEETINGS.

ATTENDANCE AT CANCELED MEETINGS SHOULD STILL BE RECORDED, BUT THEY DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS A VIOLATION FOR WHICH COUNCIL ACTION IS REQUIRED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MEET.

THEREFORE, THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T SHOW UP DID THAT DID NOT ALLOW US TO MAKE

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QUORUM.

THAT DOESN'T COUNT AS AN ABSENCE FOR THEM.

IS THAT HOW I'M READING THIS, THAT'S SORT OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH.

SO, RIGHT.

I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT AS AN ANSWER.

AND I AGREE, I WOULD LIKE TO READ INTO THE SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO THE ATTENDANCE VIOLATIONS.

SO REFERENCED BY THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT, UH, IS SPECIFICALLY OUTLINED IN CITY CODE.

I, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME RIGHT.

BECAUSE WE WE'RE NEEDING TO, TO MAINTAIN THIS BODY.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I SEE LATER ON HERE, WE'RE REFERENCING A VACANCY IN HOLDOVER CAPACITY, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFIC, UM, PASSAGES THAT ARE BEING POINTED TO, AND, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT THIS IS A COUNCIL MATTER, EVERYTHING IS A COUNCIL MATTER, RIGHT.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER ON COUNCIL TO GIVE THEM THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TOURISM.

SO TO KICK UP A PERSONNEL ISSUE ALL THE WAY TO COUNCIL AND NOT OUR RECOMMENDATION SEEMS TO ME DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS BODY.

SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THIS, UM, CLERK RESPONSE, BUT I, I GUESS I'LL BE ON THE RECORD TO SAY THAT THE CITY CLERK SHOULD BE MORE OF AN ADVOCATE FOR MAKING THESE BODIES WORK, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE CAN BARELY KEEP ATTENDANCE.

AND NO ONE IS ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SO, UM, MAYBE IF, IF YOU CAN, COMMUNICATE AS MUCH, UM, TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

I I'D APPRECIATE IT.

AND YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE MORE OF MY FEEDBACK ONCE I HAVE MORE TIME TO REVIEW THIS DOCUMENT.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM WELL, MAY I MENTION, UH, THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY LAST P PARAGRAPH, I NEED MORE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT YOUR COMMISSION IS WANTING TO ADMIT TO THE BYLAWS.

I THINK YOUR POINT IS EXACTLY WELL TAKEN.

AND THE AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IF THEIR ABSENCE CONTRIBUTES TO A LACK OF QUORUM AND THE THEREFORE CAUSING THE CANCELLATION, YOU KNOW, DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT SHOULD BE, UH, ATTRIBUTED TO THEIR, UH, LACK OF ATTENDANCE? YEAH, I WOULD AGREE.

OR A VIOLATION.

YEAH.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

I SEE HOW THAT HITS NOT, YEAH, I'M, I'M SORRY.

I'M JUST MOVED HERE TO TEXAS.

I'M NOT UP ON THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

EXACTLY.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, BUT ALSO HIGHLIGHT THIS, UH, PARTICULAR ISSUE.

UM, I'M ALL FOR IT.

SO DOES THIS REQUIRE A RESPONSE TO THE CITY CLERK'S RESPONSE? I THINK IT DOES.

AND I WAS JUST TAKING A NOTE OF, UM, WHAT COMMISSIONER, UH, OR ACTUALLY WHAT COMMISSIONER RONAN WAS SAYING AND HOW YOU HAD SUMMED IT UP COMMISSIONER SMITH.

CUZ I THINK, UM, THE RESPONSE CAN BE BASICALLY COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMISSION TO CITY CLERK.

WE THERE WITH THOSE POINTS OF VIEW, UM, SEEING, AS IT DOES SAY, LET ME KNOW, UH, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

SO I'LL SEND SOME CLARIFYING SOME CLARIFYING DETAILS AND SEE WHAT RESPONSE WE GET FROM THAT IS THAT SATISFY THE BOARD.

YES.

I, I MIGHT ALSO ADD, UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT, THIS IS, THIS CAN'T BE ISOLATED TO OUR BODY.

I THINK THIS IS A ACROSS THE CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE, ARE EXPERIENCING SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES.

MM-HMM SO, YOU KNOW, BEING AN ADVOCATE JUST FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO HAVE A CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE US PUSHING THEM TO DO FRANKLY, THEIR JOB TO HELP US IN OUR CIVIC CAPACITY TO REPRESENT THE ISSUES THAT THIS BOARD OR COMMISSION IS TAKING ON MM-HMM .

UM, SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP ATTENDANCE ON ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, NOT JUST THIS ONE WOULD BE I THINK, HELPFUL IN A AND A NEEDED CHANGE WITHIN THE CITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS HAD, HAD COMMISSIONED OR EXPERIENCE AND OF COURSE, BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AFTER COVID AND ALL, I MEAN, PREVIOUSLY THE COVID WAS ON ANOTHER COMMISSION AND WE NEVER HAD THAT KIND OF A PROBLEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RELATED TO THAT OR NOT, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER RONAN IS CORRECT IN THAT IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINED AND, AND DETAILED, UH, IN GENERAL ACROSS THE BOARD, I THINK.

YEAH.

I, I THINK THERE'S AGREEMENT.

I, I FEEL NO OBJECTION.

I'M LOOKING AT NODDING HEADS.

SO, UM, I THINK WE CAN DISPENSE WITH THIS ITEM IN TERMS OF I'LL REACH OUT AND SUM UP WHAT WE'VE SAID HERE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE RESPONSE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO NOW, UH, WORKING GROUP UPDATES,

[5. Discussion and updates from the Parks and Environment Working Group]

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UH, ANYTHING FROM PARKS AND ENVIRONMENT WORKING GROUP? WELL, JUST, I WILL SAY WE DID HAVE AN ELECTRONIC MEETING THAT WAS PRETTY POORLY ATTENDED BECAUSE OF MOSTLY TECHNICAL ERRORS ON MY PART.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

WE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION AND RATHER THAN REPORT ON A HALF BAKED DISCUSSION, I'M JUST GONNA SAY WE MADE A LITTLE PROGRESS, BUT WE'RE NOT DONE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, DISCUSSION UPDATES FROM TEPID

[6. Discussion and updates from the TPID Working Group]

WORKING GROUP COMMISSION RONAN, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON OUR FIRST MEETING? SURE.

UH, WE MET AT FLOWER HILL, UM, MY PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT, UH, AND DISCUSSED, UM, REALLY THE HISTORY AND, UM, I WOULD SAY BACKGROUND CATCHING ME UP AS A NEW COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE, UH, INITIAL DESIRE TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING STREAMS FOR, UM, FOR WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PUZZLE PLAN, WHICH IS PRE PANDEMIC, WHICH IS A WHILE AGO AND WAY BEFORE MY TIME HERE IN AUSTIN.

MM-HMM SO, BUT LOOKING AT THE STATE STATUTE TO, UM, BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW, UM, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES COULD BE USED WITHIN CERTAIN, UH, GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES.

SO, UH, I THINK OUR CONVERSATIONS ARE VERY PRELIMINARY, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WAYS TO USE, UM, SOME OF THESE FUNDS TOWARDS HOUSING AND THROUGH WHAT ENTITY WE COULD POTENTIALLY PASS THESE FUNDS THROUGH.

AND BEYOND THAT, I THINK IT'S TOO PRELIMINARY TO REALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, WHO WE, WHO WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED TO THOSE PEOPLE.

SO THAT'S FAIR.

BUT, UH, WITH THAT WE HOPE TO, UM, ENGAGE ANOTHER SESSION WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.

OKAY.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION MM-HMM ON TERMINOLOGY, YOU SAID HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES IS ITT PIT FUNDS IS THAT OKAYT PIT FUNDS, EXCUSE MEPI FUNDS, TPI FUNDS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE REPORTS? OKAY.

UH, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS,

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

COMMISS MISSION OF .

UH, I WOULD, IF THE, IF THE CITY, THE RELEVANT CITY STAFF WOULD LIKE TO COME AND PRESENT ON THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RES OR THE, WITH THE, THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RESOLUTION, AND I GUESS WHAT WE'RE ALSO CHECKING UP, I WOULD INVITE THEM TO COME DOWN AND, UH, PROVIDE WHATEVER INFORMATION THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? UM, OUR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS SLOT IS LOOKING A LITTLE THERE.

SO YEAH, I, I SAW, I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD TAKE UP THE AIRBNB QUESTION AGAIN, UM, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S EVOLVING.

THERE WAS A NEWS STORY RECENTLY THAT I DIDN'T READ CAREFULLY THAT SAID SOMETHING LIKE OVER HALF OF THEM ARE NOT REGISTERED WITH THE CITY.

UM, SO THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THAT.

I THINK'S RELEVANT TO OUR WORK.

AND ALSO IT HAD BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT AIRBNB OR VRBO, OR AT LEAST ONE OF THE BIG ONES WAS, UM, AT LEAST TELLING THE CITY THEY WERE HOLDING THE, THEY WERE ACTUALLY COLLECTING THE HOT TAX, BUT NOT FORWARDING IT TO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.

SO YOUR STATEMENT, UM, COMMISSIONER ABOUT SORT OF WIPING THE STATE SLATE CLEAN IS, IS KIND OF TROUBLING BECAUSE MY SENSE WAS THERE'S A BIG POT OF MONEY SORT OF ACCUMULATING THERE THAT WITH SOME RESOLUTION SHOULD BE FLOWING TO THE CITY.

UM, SEEMS A LITTLE EXTORTED THOUGH, WILL GIVE YOU SOME MONEY.

IF YOU GIVE US A PASS ON EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE MIGHT TECHNICALLY HAVE OWED MM-HMM I THOUGHT THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE SAME PROPOSAL THAT THEY MADE THE LAST TIME WE PICKED THIS UP.

IT SOUNDS VERY MUCH LIKE THE SAME PROPOSAL'S THE PREVIOUSLY SOURCE OF INFORMATION TO COME.

I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER WELL, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR IT'S SHORT TERM RENTALS, RIGHT? LIKE ALL, ALL OF THEM, NOT JUST AIRBNB, UNLESS THERE WAS A SPECIFIC AIR, THERE WAS A SPECIFIC AIRBNB PROPOSAL FROM AIRBNB.

IS THAT CORRECT? OR WAS IT COVERING ALL OF THEM? BECAUSE IT WAS AIRBNB.

SO IT WAS JUST PERTAINED, JUST PERTAINED TO, I THINK THAT JUST PERTAINING TO AIRBNB B ALREADY COLLECTS TAXES.

SO, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT, THAT PART'S.

SO IT MAY SEPARATE COMPONENT.

SOUNDS LIKE THE FIRST THING WE NEED IS INFORMATION FROM THE CITY ON WHAT AGREEMENTS THERE ARE WITH EACH OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL

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COMPANIES WITHIN TOWN.

AND THEN WE MAYBE FOLLOW THAT UP WITH SEEING IF WE CAN GET REPRESENTATIVES FROM THOSE ENTITIES.

IF WE SAY THERE ISN'T AN AGREEMENT AND ASK THEM TO COME AND EXPLAIN TO US, WELL, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AND WHAT HAVE YOU PUT BEFORE THE CITY? AND THAT WE GET OUR INFORMATION FROM THEM PERHAPS.

YEAH.

I, I WOULD THINK A REQUEST TO BOTH CITY LEGAL AND TO THE, TO THE BIG ONE TO THE ENTITIES THEMSELVES.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO REQUEST INFORMATION FROM THE CITY AND I'M, DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOW MUCH ABOUT THESE ENTITIES? I MEAN, ARE, IS THERE JUST ONE, TWO BIG ONES, AIRBNB AND VRBO, OR ARE THERE MORE, I DUNNO, I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE NOW THAT ACTUALLY WORKS TO BUY OUT FLOORS AND BUILDINGS.

IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A TEMPORARY LEASE SITUATION.

UM, SAY IF A, A BUILDING IS MOVING FROM CONDO TO APARTMENTS OR APARTMENTS TO CONDO, THEY WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO A TEMPORARY, UM, CONVERSION OF THE FLOOR.

MM-HMM , UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN INCOME BEFORE A CONVERSION HAPPENS, BUT JUST KIND OF SEEING WHICH WAY THE MARKET'S GOING.

UM, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD TAX THAT IT'S MAYBE NOT TECHNICALLY A HOTEL MM-HMM , UH, BUT MAYBE A LONG STAY SITUATION.

UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT MY FRIEND IN TOWN TODAY IS IN ONE OF THOSE, SO I CAN GET BACK TO Y'ALL WITH THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY.

MM-HMM I THINK, I THINK IT MIGHT BE AN AIRBNB AFFILIATE.

YEAH.

THERE'S ONE IN NASHVILLE AND A FRIEND OF MINE STAYED IN THERE.

THEY, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SELL THE CONDOS.

THEY'RE OWNED THEY'RE, THEY'RE OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS AS INVESTMENT PROPERTIES AND THEY AGREE TO, TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR RENTAL.

I THINK SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF 60% OF THE TIME, SO YOU CAN BUY IT, PUT, PUT YOUR PROPERTY IN THE PROGRAM.

I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BUSINESS MODEL OF HOW, BUT I THINK THAT ON THE MOST PART THEY'RE OWNED CONDOMINIUMS. SO THEY DEVELOP THE BUILDING, THEY SELL THEM TO INDIVIDUALS AS INVESTMENT, AND THEN THEY DO SOME REV SHARE SPLIT, BUT ALSO THE OWNER HAS TO AGREE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AVAILABLE INVENTORY OF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF TIME.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'VE GOT, I THINK THEY WERE BUILDING ON RAINY STREET.

THE ONE I THOUGHT I HEARD ABOUT THERE'S WHOLE BUILDING ON THERE'S ONE FIFTH.

OH, IT'S ON FIFTH.

OKAY.

MM-HMM WELL, THEN I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN ON THAT, BUT I KNOW THE ONE THAT WAS IN NASHVILLE, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE.

AUSTIN WAS SLATED TO GET THE NEXT ONE COMMISSIONER COUNTY, A QUICK QUESTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER BUNCH SUGGESTED WE HEAR FROM THE INDUSTRY AND THE CITY ATTORNEYS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK OF, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR A VERY FULLTHROATED SPIN FROM THE INDUSTRY AND I HAVE A FEELING WE'LL HAVE A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE TAKE ON THE ISSUE FROM THE CITY LEGAL IF THE PAST IS ANY PREDICTED.

AND I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN THINK OF ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT GETTING MORE REVENUE INTO THE CITY THAN THE VENDORS ARE GONNA VOLUNTEER MM-HMM AND THAT THE CONSERVATIVE CITY LEGAL MIGHT NOT, I DON'T EVEN BE, I PING THEM, BUT IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE THAT WE COULD PULL INTO THE MIX TO HELP US THINK A LITTLE MORE, SORRY.

RISK AVERSE, LESS RISK AVERSE, NO RISK AVERSE CITY BEFORE.

YES.

OKAY.

I RECOMMEND WE HAVE, I MEAN, VISIT AUSTIN SHOULD HAVE SOME BETTER HANDLE ON THE SITUATION.

AND SINCE THEY'RE MORE ALIGNED WITH THE HOTELS, THEY MIGHT BE, HAVE A MORE AGGRESSIVE POSITION ON IT OR THE HOTELS TOO.

I MEAN, THEY'RE KIND OF COMPETITORS, RIGHT? THEY'RE DEFINITELY COMPETITORS.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

I JUST WONDER IF WE WANT TO GET A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE GOING THAN THE FIRST TWO OPTIONS.

I THINK THAT WE SOMEHOW COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTEZ PROBABLY OFFICE PROBABLY STILL HAS THE FILES ON THE WORK THAT SHE WAS DOING, CUZ SHE DEFINITELY HAD, SHE WAS LEADING AN INITIATIVE WHEN SHE WAS ON OUR COUNCIL COMMISSIONER.

MM-HMM WITH THIS TOO COMMISSIONER SHANNON SUGGESTED MAYBE THE HOTEL LODGING ASSOCIATION.

DO YOU THINK THEY'RE ACTIVELY WOULD HAVE THAT DATA OR? WELL I'M, I'M SURE THEY WANT THE, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS TO PAY THE TAX MM-HMM SO IT'S YOU ON THE SAME PLATE BILL MM-HMM I MEAN, WE COULD REACH OUT AND ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH US, THEY MIGHT BE MORE AGGRESSIVE AND, AND VISIT AUSTIN TOO.

I MEAN JUST ASK, REACH OUT TO ALL OF THEM AND SEE WHO YEAH.

TAKES UP THE INVITATION.

RIGHT.

MORE MERRIER.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BRING UP TODAY? ALL RIGHT.

UM, THEN IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, WELL,

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NO FURTHER BUSINESSES MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

UH, I EMOTIONS GERMAN I HAVE EMOTIONS WITH DARREN.

ASK ME EMOTIONS WITH DARREN.

SURE.

GO AHEAD.

I HAVE EMOTIONS WITH AJON.

ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE A SECOND? AND IT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THEY MOVED TO A JAM BY COMMISSIONER SHANNON AND SECONDED.

I'M SORRY BY COMMISSIONER RONAN AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHANNON.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFIED BY AYE.

AYE I AND ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.