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[00:00:04]

EVERYONE.

I'M

[CALL TO ORDER]

GONNA CALL THE, THIS OCTOBER MEETING OF THE TOURISM COMMISSION BOARD TO ORDER.

UM, LET'S GO THROUGH WHO IS PRESENT TODAY.

MYSELF, RACHEL MCGEE, CHAIR.

WE HAVE VICE CHAIR KEN SMITH WITH US COMMISSIONER GREG SHANNON IS HERE.

COMMISSIONER ED BAILEY IS HERE.

COMMISSIONER DANIEL RONAN IS HERE.

AND COMMISSIONER REY IS, UH, UH, DISTRICT ONE SEAT REMAINS VACANT.

UH, ABSENT TODAY IS COMMISSIONERS BILL BUNCH, LO RODRIGUEZ, MIKE KANI.

AND THE, UH, THE MAYOR SEAT IS ALSO VACANT.

ALL RIGHT, AS WE HAVE A QUORUM, FIRST ORDER OF

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TODAY? NO.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS.

CERTAINLY.

COMMISSIONER RONAN.

THANK YOU.

UM, WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HERE TODAY.

I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, RICH IS HERE TO LOOK OR, UH, TO OBSERVE.

COOL.

WELL, DO YOU MIND JUST SAYING WHO YOU ARE? WE'RE CURIOUS.

YOU'RE LIKE OUR FIRST PERSON FROM THE PUBLIC.

IT'S SO COOL TO HAVE YOU HERE.

GREAT.

WELCOME.

WELCOME.

UM, OKAY, SO NEXT IT OF

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UM, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER 21ST.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER SMITH.

SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SHANNON, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.

WE'LL TAKE WITHOUT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE SEPTEMBER MINUTES.

UH, SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? NO.

ANY ABSTENTIONS.

ALL RIGHT.

ACTUALLY, UM, I'M SORRY TO DO THIS, BUT JOHN WASN'T ACTUALLY AT THE LAST MEETING, SO HE CAN'T APPROVE THAT IS TRUE.

.

SO THAT, THAT IS TRUE.

SO, LET'S, UH, , WE HAVE A QUORUM AT THE MEETINGS.

TAKE THE ORDER AND IT'S A MAJORITY VOTE.

UM, UM, SO WE HAVE A QUORUM TO TAKE ACTION.

SO THE MEETING IS IN, IS IN PROCESS.

UH, JOHN WILL RECUSE HIMSELF FROM VOTING AND WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE AGAIN.

OKAY.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? NO.

ANY ABSTENTIONS? JOHN WOULD BE THE ABSTENTION BECAUSE HE WAS NOT HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.

OKAY.

IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYONE? YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

GREAT.

MOVING ON.

ALL RIGHT, OUR NEXT

[2. Discussion and possible action on Downtown Commission Recommendation 20220420- 2(d) on Convention Center Expansion adopted by the Downtown Commission on April 20, 2022]

ITEM, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION ON THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION.

I HAVE RECEIVED A REQUEST IN WRITING FROM COMMISSIONER CANANI WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, THAT HE WOULD LIKE THE, UM, SAME, UM, WHAT IS THE ADJECTIVE I'M STRUGGLING FOR? COURTESY, THANK YOU.

COURTESY, THOSE EXTENDED TO, UH, COMMISSIONER REY IN HIS ABSENCE.

COMMISSIONER KA WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION AND ANY POSSIBLE ACTION ON THIS ITEM.

AND SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TILL NEXT MEETING.

MOVE TO POSTPONE.

UH, I'VE GOT COMMISSION.

NERE.

DO YOU WANNA SECOND? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, MOVE BY COMMISSIONER CHAN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? POSTPONES? YES.

I WOULD LIKE TO.

SO, UM, THIS SHOULDN'T GET OUT OF HAND, I FEEL, CUZ I AGREE.

WE APPARENTLY HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.

I AGREE.

AND WE ALL MADE THE COMMITMENT TO COME.

SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM SOMEONE WHO'S NOT GONNA BE THERE, THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THE AGENDA BEFORE.

RIGHT.

BECAUSE THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL HAVING TO GET OUT OF WORK AND OUR COMMITMENTS TO BE HERE.

AND I AGREE.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT VOTE AND CONSEQUENTIAL, THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING.

BUT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S EVERY MEETING NOW, I

[00:05:01]

JUST DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS HERE.

SO I I HEAR YOU.

UM, AND UH, YEAH, I HEAR YOU.

UH, I GOT THE EMAIL TODAY, UH, SORT THIS MORNING.

UH, I DID NOT NOTIFY ANYBODY HERE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN RUNNING FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER.

NO, UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS, AND WE DO HAVE A CALENDAR TO DECIDE TODAY, I BELIEVE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S GREAT.

NOVEMBER.

THAT'S GREAT.

GREAT.

I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE ALL OF ALL OF THE CALENDAR DATES TODAY, DO WE, ARE WE DECIDING THE CALENDAR TODAY AS WELL? THE WHOLE THING? YEAH.

FOR NEXT YEAR.

FOR MEETING NEXT YEAR? YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

WELL, SO, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO, LIKE, IF I HAD PUT OUT THERE, WE COULDN'T MEET IT, I'D BE WORRIED WE WOULDN'T GET A QUORUM AND WE WOULDN'T GET OUR CALENDAR DONE.

SURE, SURE.

BUT I, I GUESS FOR, FOR IS FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT TO POSTPONE AN AGENDA ITEMS FOR SOMEONE'S ABSENCE, I FEEL LIKE THAT NEEDS TO COME AT LEAST A WEEK IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT COULD BE A WEEK IN ADVANCE EMERGENCY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

BUT I THINK YOU, YOU PICK UP, I THINK YOU'RE PICKING UP A REALLY GOOD CAMERA ORDER TO LOOK AT BECAUSE OF WHETHER IT'S A POSTPONEMENT, BECAUSE OF ABSENCE OR WE HAD SO MANY TIMES WHERE PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T SHOW UP AND NOBODY KNEW.

AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM WHEN WE SHOWED UP.

UH, AND I, AND I REALLY WONDER HOW MUCH WE WERE ACTUALLY, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST TWO YEARS.

AND AS YOU'RE SAYING, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.

YOU'RE TAKEN AWAY FROM WORK TIME, MILES YOU GET HERE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CAN OF WORMS TO TALK ABOUT.

AND MAYBE WE PUT THAT AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

BUT I THINK YOUR COMMENT IS SPOT ON.

AND WHETHER IT'S A WEEK OR A DAY, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO HAVE SOME GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT.

MM-HMM.

.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MOTION THAT I'M ENTERTAINING TO POSTPONE IS TO POSTPONE UNTIL NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THE MOTION TO POSTPONE MUST INCLUDE A TIME.

SO WE COULD, RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION FOR US IS TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

MM-HMM.

.

UH, AND THEN I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IT BECOMES, WELL HOW DO WE PREVENT EACH MEETING ANOTHER, A NEW NOTE MOTION? RIGHT? I THINK JOHN IS A COMMENT.

YES.

COMMISSIONER REY, CAN YOU FOLKS HEAR ME? YES.

YES.

I CONCUR WITH ALL OF THIS.

UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL FRUSTRATED.

UH, AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE PERHAPS ENDEAVOR TO FIND AN EVENING MEETING FOR THIS DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH.

UM, EVEN IF IT'S ONLY ONE TIME.

CUZ I CAN SAY FOR ME THAT THESE WEDNESDAYS HAVE BECOME HARDER TO GET TO.

UM, AND IN PARTICULAR, UH, I JUST WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT FUTURE WEDNESDAYS, UM, ARE NOT GONNA WORK FOR ME ANYMORE BECAUSE I HAVE TO PICK UP MY KID FROM BAND AT, UH, FOUR 50 IN B CAVE.

SO I'M BASICALLY LIKE IN TRAFFIC FOR AN HOUR.

UM, I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT TODAY, BUT I WILL GOING FORWARD.

SO I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD DISCUSS GOING BACK TO EVENING MEETINGS.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD BETTER ATTENDANCE THEN, RIGHT? WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IN THE, IN THE, WHEN WE GET TO THE CALENDAR.

UM, BUT RIGHT NOW, LET'S GET BACK TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR THE REGULAR WEDNESDAY AND THE DAY.

AND THE, UH, RUMOR SECURED.

UM, I THINK MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WE CAN'T, I'M LOOKING AT FELICIA, WE CAN'T JUST CHANGE THE TIME AND THE DAY I WENT, IN FACT, I ASKED FELICIA LAST MONTH ABOUT THE REST OF THE CALENDAR CUZ I'M FEELING THE SAME PRESSURE AS YOU ACTUALLY, UM, THE DAYTIME MEETINGS.

UM, AND AS I RECALL, THE RESPONSE WAS THERE WAS, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE AVAILABLE THE REST OF THIS YEAR ON THE CALENDAR.

AM I CORRECT IN REMEMBERING THAT FELICIA? UM, THERE IS, BUT IT'S, UM, SCATTERED.

THERE'S NO CONSTANT DATE OR TIME OR LOCATION.

SO, SO DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE, UM, THE NOVEMBER MEETING? CAN WE, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THE TIME AND DATE OF THE NOVEMBER MEETING AT, AT THIS MEETING IF WE WISH TO? YOU HAVE TO TELL ME A TIME AND A DATE.

MM-HMM.

AND THEN I HAVE TO SEE IF THAT'S AVAILABLE.

I CAN'T JUST SAY YES.

RIGHT.

AND THEN FINAL LOCATION.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD TO KNOW.

ALL RIGHT.

SO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF POSTPONING FOR, UH, THIS ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, I THINK, I THINK THE DISCUSSION SHOULD BE HOW OFTEN DO YOU POSTPONE THE ITEM IF IT'S SO IMPORTANT.

MM-HMM.

, I MEAN, SHOULD WE HAVE A MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM TYPE OF POSTPONES UNTIL YOU TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA? I, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW, BUT I, I THINK FOR THE, FOR THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I MEAN, I I HAVE NO PROBLEM POSTPONING IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS

[00:10:01]

THE WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING, BY THE WAY.

UH, SO I MEAN, UP TO THE REST OF THE BOARD, HOW YOU GUYS FEEL.

MM-HMM.

MM-HMM.

.

AND, AND ALSO I, I MIGHT SAY THAT MAYBE THERE'S A LIMIT FOR ABSTENTIONS PER PERSON.

CUZ IF, IF WE'RE HAVING TO ABSTAIN SEVERAL TIMES FOR THE SAME PEOPLE, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS HAPPENING, BUT I COULD FORESEE THIS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, WE'RE ALL BUSY, RIGHT? BUT WE GOTTA SHOW UP.

THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONS ARE ABOUT.

SO, UM, I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT I'M, I HAVE GRAVE HESITATIONS CUZ I, I COULD JUST FORESEE THIS BECOMING A LARGER ISSUE.

MM-HMM.

, MAYBE, MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE THAT AN AGENDA ITEM.

YEAH.

I AGREE WITH, WITH, UM, THE FUTURE AGENDA DRIVING.

MM-HMM.

, UH, FELICIA, YOU'RE WAVING AT ME.

IS IT TO GET MY ATTENTION TO JOHN OR YOU ? UM, WHEN I SENT YOU AN EMAIL BACK IN AUGUST, UHHUH , UM, THERE WAS A DATE FOR NOVEMBER 10TH, THE 15 OR THE 17TH FROM 6:00 PM TO 8:00 PM BUT THAT WAS IN AUGUST.

YEAH, SIR.

SO I HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK AGAIN AND SEE IF THOSE, OKAY.

SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, MAYBE I CAN DO THE RESEARCH NOW WHILE YOU ARE IN PROGRESS.

YEAH.

WHY, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND DO THAT RESEARCH FOR US, CUZ UM, WE MAY WANT TO POSTPONE TO NOVEMBER AND PICK A NOVEMBER DATE AND TIME THAT WE CAN ALL BE THERE.

UM, THAT MIGHT BE PART OF IT.

UH, CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER REY.

JOHN, YOU HAD YOUR HAND RAISED.

YEAH.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF, IF WE COULD, AND IF ANYONE WOULD SUPPORT THE IDEA OF RESOLVING THAT THIS IS THE LAST POSTPONE ONE OF THIS ITEM.

LIKE IT MAY NOT BE POSTPONED AGAIN.

AND MAYBE THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO BE THERE TO BE THERE.

I THINK, UM, ACTUALLY WE CAN ALL PARTICIPATE THAT WITH OUR VOTE.

UH, I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF EMOTION WHERE YOU CAN, UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF A PROCEDURE WHERE YOU CAN SAY, THIS IS THE LAST, FIRST MOMENT IN EMOTION.

LIKE, THE QUESTION BEFORE US TODAY IS TO POSTPONE TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO POSTPONE AGAIN, THEY HAVE THEIR ABILITY TO DO THAT.

BUT IF COMMISSIONERS ARE FRUSTRATED AND SAY, NO, WE NEED TO NO MORE POST MOMENTS, WE NEED TO DEAL WITH IT TONIGHT, THEN THEY WOULD JUST VOTE THAT, UH, QUESTION DOWN.

UM, SO I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THAT, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT POWER WITH OUR VOTE.

WELL THEN I WOULD MOVE TO POSTPONE.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN MOVED TO POSTPONE TO TO NOVEMBER.

WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING THAT QUESTION.

YEAH, I WOULD THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE QUESTION, WHICH IS TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO NOVEMBER MEETING? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING SIGNIFY BY I.

I, I I DO, DO YOU I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

UM, WOULD AN ABSTENTION ON MY BEHALF LIKE DELAY THE MOTION OR AN ABSTENTION JUST MEANS THAT YOU SIMPLY DON'T VOTE? SO YOU WOULD STILL NEED A, UH, MAJORITY TO, FOR IT TO, UM, PAUSE.

SO IT'S STILL PASS MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY NO, .

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL, I'LL ASK FOR THE EYES AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY I, AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? NO.

ANY ABSTENTION.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM IS A DISCUSSION ON THE CITY CLERK'S RESPONSES REGARDING BOARD BYLAWS.

REGARDING REGARDING THE BOARD'S BYLAWS.

UM, IS THAT, IS THAT THIS HANDOUT THAT ACCOMPANIES US COMMISSION ORDER? OKAY.

NO, THIS IS ABOUT DATES.

UM, FELICIA, ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE AGENDA.

WAS THAT NOT WHAT WE DID LAST MEETING? THAT IS THE LAST MEETING I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

AM I LOOKING AT MINUTES? THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED.

OKAY, GOOD.

I TOLD, I TOLD YOU THEY ALWAYS LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME TO ME.

UH, ALRIGHT, THERE'S WHERE THE 2023 CALENDAR IS.

THAT'S HOW I WAS CONFUSED.

ALL RIGHT.

THOSE ARE MINUTES.

I'LL PUT MY PHONE ON THOSE.

ALL RIGHT, GREAT.

MAKES WAY MORE SENSE.

DISCUSSION

[3. Discussion and possible action on 2023 Calendar schedule]

ON THE 2023 CALENDAR SCHEDULE.

WHEN DO WE WANT TO MEET? CAN WE THINK OF A REGULAR TIME AND PLACE? EVENING SOUNDS LIKE HOW MANY? JUST TO DO A POLL, HOW MANY OF US WOULD PREFER EVENING THAN DURING THE DAY? RAISE YOUR HAND IF AN EVENING IS EASIER FOR YOU IN DURING THE DAY.

TWO.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4.

SO FOR FOUR OF YOU, IT'S EASIER DURING THE DAY.

MM-HMM.

? NO EVENING, NO.

OR NO

[00:15:01]

PREFERENCE? ANYBODY RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU HAVE NO PREFERENCE? ONE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO 1, 2, 3.

SO WE'VE GOT THREE THAT PREFER DURING THE DAY TO IN THE EVENING.

ONE.

NO PREFERENCE.

ALL RIGHT.

RAISE YOUR HAND IF, UM, WEEKDAYS ARE PREFERABLE TO YOU AS OPPOSED TO WEEK WEEKDAYS, AS OPPOSED TO WEEKENDS.

YES.

WEEKDAYS.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE LIKE WEEKDAYS.

UH, AND UM, THE MAJORITY OF YOU THAT'S PRESENT TODAY, IT'S EASIER TO DO IT DURING THE DAY.

I'M LOOKING AT JOHN CUZ WE CAN EMPATHIZE WITH EACH OTHER THAN, UH, .

WE'RE IN THE MINORITY THAN EVENINGS.

OKAY.

UH, FOR THOSE THAT PREFER TO MEET DURING THE DAY, GIVE ME SOME MORNINGS OR AFTERNOONS.

SHOULD I DO ANOTHER POLL? ANYONE HAVE ANY PREFERENCE? MORNINGS? NO PREFERENCE.

MORNINGS? NO PREFERENCE.

PREFER THE AFTERNOON? YOU PREFER AFTERNOONS.

COMMISSIONER BAILEY, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? MORNING OR AFTERNOON? I'D BE LOOKING FOR A DEFINED MORNING .

THAT'S WHEN I'M DROPPING MY KID OFF AT SCHOOL IN THE MORNING.

YEAH.

I'M NOT COMING INTO SOME EIGHT OR 9:00 AM MEETING.

I CAN'T MAKE THOSE, SO YEAH.

OKAY.

SO, WELL IT'S MATERIAL.

SO IT NEEDS TO BE AFTER SCHOOL DROP OFF AND BEFORE COLLECTION, WHICH, UH, COMMISSIONER REY'S IN THE SAME BOAT.

RIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONER RO, DO YOU HAVE ANY PREFERENCE? MORNING OR AFTERNOONS? I COULD DO MORNING OR AFTERNOON, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT.

YEAH.

I THINK WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR ENOUGH CONSISTENT FAIR.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, COMMISSIONER REY, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE ON DAY OF THE WEEK FOR A STANDING MEETING? UM, MONDAY OR TUESDAY IS BETTER.

OKAY.

UH, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? COMMISSIONER SMITH? YOU JUST PART EITHER WAY, BUT I CAN PROBABLY WORK THROUGH ANYTHING.

SO.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER 10? I'D PROBABLY, UH, BETWEEN MONDAY AND TUESDAY I'D PROBABLY PREFER TUESDAY.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER BAILEY? TUESDAYS ARE NOT GOOD.

TUESDAY'S NOT GOOD.

NEITHER FOR ME.

EITHER ONE OF THOSE COMMISSION FRIDAYS AREN'T GOOD EITHER.

I MIGHT ADD TWO FRIDAY YOU SAID WEEKDAYS, BUT I WOULD THINK A FRIDAY FIVE O'CLOCK MEETING WOULD BE TERRIBLE.

? I WOULD SAY JUST FOR CONVERSATION PURPOSES ON MONDAYS THERE ARE A LOT OF HOLIDAYS THAT LAND ON MONDAYS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BE TUESDAYS AND THEN RIGHT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE TUESDAY.

SO WE ARE RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND CHOICE TO TUESDAY? CUZ I, I, THURSDAYS ARE FINE.

THURSDAYS ALSO THROUGH THURSDAYS.

THURSDAYS ARE VERY HARD TO GET COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT.

AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY OTHER THING.

IT'S LIKE MOVING ALL OVER THE CITY IS CREATES A DRAMA.

RIGHT.

MOVING INTO 15 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO MEET, MEET IN CHAMBERS EITHER.

THERE MIGHT BE A LOCATION ON THURSDAY.

IT'S WAY EASIER TO MEET DOWNTOWN.

YEAH.

YES.

GENERALLY I COULD BE SWAYED ON A LOT OF, OF THE DETAILS IF KNOWING THAT WE WERE GONNA CENTER IT DOWNTOWN COMING UP HERE, IT'S HARD.

THIS BURNS AN HOUR AND A HALF OF TIME.

YEAH.

JUST, JUST TO GET HERE.

YEAH.

IS TO DO IT.

WHAT ABOUT LUNCH MEETINGS? CAN WE DO THAT IF YOU'RE PROVIDING LUNCH? SURE.

, WE DO IT AT THE MUSEUM.

.

UM, SO DOWNTOWN IS THE PREFERENCE, I IMAGINE THAT'S FOR EVERYONE.

NOT EXACTLY.

CAUSE I'M UP IN THE NORTHWEST AREA, SO, BUT I WILL, I WILL COME DOWNTOWN ABOUT THE SAME WAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONER REY DOWNTOWN'S PREFERABLE FOR YOU OR NOT QUESTION MARK? YEAH.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO DOWNTOWN, OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL DROPOFF AND BEFORE SCHOOL PICKUP DURING THE WEEK.

UH, TUESDAY IS NOT GOOD.

THURSDAY, THE ONLY OBJECTION I HEARD THE THURSDAY SO FAR WAS, IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF CITY HALL'S CALENDAR, BUT OUR PERSONAL CALENDAR, HOW ARE THIS THURSDAY FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER ROWLAND? UH, IT DEPENDS, BUT IT'S CONSISTENT.

YEAH.

AGAIN, I CAN, I CANE TO A WEDNESDAY EVENING MEETING IF IT'S DOWNTOWN, IF IT WAS FIVE TO SEVEN ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS, I CAN DEAL THAT AS EQUALLY AS THREE TO FIVE, FIVE O'CLOCK IN DOWNTOWN I O'CLOCK.

YEAH.

E EVENINGS EVENINGS ARE ALREADY OUT FOR A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS.

WOULD PERHAPS FOUR TO, I MEAN, THIS DOESN'T HELP JOHN, BUT FOR TO SEX? NO.

NO.

I MEAN, I MEAN, HAVE YOU DONE THE TRAFFIC FROM DOWNTOWN TO OUT WHERE I LIVE? YEAH.

IT'S ALL TRUE.

IT'S BAD.

SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE DAY.

BUT IF I HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING ON AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, I'M ON TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS AND THEY MEET DURING THE, THE EVENING, BUT IT'S OUT WHERE I LIVE, SO IT'S NOT AS BAD.

MM-HMM.

.

BUT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE TIMING, ET CETERA, IN, YOU KNOW, FOR ME THURSDAYS IS TOUGH ALSO.

I MEAN, I COULD, IF IT'S CONSISTENT, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK THAT OUT.

[00:20:01]

BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE TIMING TOO.

BECAUSE I HAVE A THURSDAY BOARD MEETING AS WELL AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

SO WEDNESDAY SEEMS TO BE BETTER FOR ME.

WEDNESDAY I THINK IS LESS EVENTS ARE ON WEDNESDAYS THAN THURSDAYS.

TRUE.

PERHAPS WE CAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH OUR SAME TIME WEDNESDAY.

THREE TO FIVE.

LET'S MOVE IT UP THOUGH.

LET'S NOT MAKE IT THREE O'CLOCK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE DROP OFF AND, YOU KNOW, SO WEDNESDAYS SORT OF ONE-ISH.

ONE, ONE TO THREE WORKS FOR ME.

WORKS FOR ME WORKS.

DOESN'T, YEP.

2, 2, 2 TO FOUR WOULD BE BETTER.

TWO TO FOUR IS BETTER FOR YOU.

I THINK ON THE SAME WEDNESDAY AS I DID TODAY FROM 12 TO ABOUT 1 32 O'CLOCK.

SO TWO TO FOUR, BUT TWO TO FOUR IS RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE PICKING UP CHILDREN.

CHILDREN, CORRECT.

COMMISSION READING.

TWO TO, UM, I'M PICKING HIM UP AT, UH, FOUR 50 OUT IN B CAVE.

SO TWO TO FOUR WOULD WORK FOR YOU? I THINK SO.

ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON WEDNESDAY? TWO TO FOUR? NO PROBLEM.

OKAY.

WOW.

OKAY.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE CONSENSUS, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT, LET'S SEE IF PO WHO REPLACES PO IT MAY NOT BE MY PROBLEM ANYMORE.

OKAY.

SO WEDNESDAY, TWO TO FOUR IS LOOKING THE BEST OPTION AT THE MOMENT.

DO WE WANNA STICK WITH WHAT WERE THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTHS AT THE MOMENT? DO WE WANT TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENT THERE? THIRD, THIRD WEDNESDAY IS PROVING TRICKY FOR ME.

UM, SECOND WEDNESDAY WOULD BE BETTER FOR ME.

SECOND, HAVE ANY OBJECTION? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO SECOND WEDNESDAY? I'M JUST CURIOUS WHO THINKS THAT WAY IN TERMS OF WEEKS IN A MONTH.

BUT THAT'S INTERESTING.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE ARE ON OTHER BOARDS.

ON BOARDS RUN OTHER MEETINGS.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S GOOD.

YEAH, CUZ I HAVE A, A BOARD MEETING.

I HAVE AN EXEC ON THE THIRD WEEK.

ON THE THIRD WEEK OF THE CALENDAR.

I HAVE A BOARD MEETING MONDAY, A BOARD MEETING TUESDAY.

AND THEN THIS ONE I CURRENTLY HAVE TWO TO FOUR EVERY WEDNESDAY.

TWO BACK TO BACK MEETINGS EVERY WEDNESDAY.

JUST TWO TO FOUR.

TWO TO FOUR.

AND I CHANGE ONE OF THEM ONCE A MONTH TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

OKAY.

JUST SAYING I CAN'T CHANGE BOTH OF RIGHT.

WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH? TWO TO FOUR? SURE.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I'LL MAKE, I WAS AMENABLE.

IS IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S THE SECOND OR THE THIRD OR FOURTH.

I HAVE TO MOVE A MEETING.

EVERY TIME I COME TO THIS MEETING I HAVE TO MOVE A MEETING.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

CUZ YOU HAVE A STANDING MEETING.

I HAVE STANDING MEETINGS.

OKAY.

FROM TWO TO FOUR.

TWO TWO FROM TWO TO THREE AND ONE FROM THREE TO FOUR.

THAT'S WHY TUESDAYS ARE OUT.

THEY LOOK LIKE THAT TOO.

I CAN'T ASK MY ORGANIZATION TO CHANGE THE MEETING SCHEDULES AROUND.

RIGHT.

SO WOULD WEDNESDAY MORNING BE BETTER FOR YOU THEN? 10 MEETING OR SOMETHING? YEAH.

NOW I KNOW THAT'S STACK.

NO, I AN 11.

NO, I HAVE AN 11 O'CLOCK TO STANDING.

11 O'CLOCK.

WHAT'S A GOOD TIME FOR? WELL THE ONE WE'VE BEEN DO THIS WORKS THE BEST FOR ME.

THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T HAD ANY CITED FOR ANY ATTENDANCE PROBLEMS IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.

RIGHT.

I HAVE THE POWER TO CANCEL THE ONE THAT'S THREE O'CLOCK ON MY CALENDAR CUZ IT'S MY MEETING.

OH, I SEE.

THE OTHER ONES I CAN'T CANCEL.

I SEE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO IT'S EITHER STICK WEDNESDAY, THREE TO FIVE OR IT'S, AND WE GAIN COMMISSIONER, UH, WE GAIN COMMISSIONER BAILEY.

I'M NOT, WE MOVED TWO TO FORUM.

WE, MAYBE YOU DON'T GET ME AN ALL, LIKE I SAID, WE GOT, WE GOT ELECTION COMING.

I MAY BE GONE, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I THINK IT'S WHATEVER I STICK WITH MOSTLY DOWNTOWN.

I'M LIKE COMING.

IF YOU SAID EVERY MEETING WAS GONNA BE UP HERE, YOU MIGHT LOSE ME ANYWHERE.

ME TOO.

I THINK MOST OF US.

YEAH.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I THINK WHAT I'VE GOT SO FAR IS WEDNESDAY, SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH INSTEAD OF THIRD WEDNESDAY.

AND THEN THE QUESTION IS YOU STICK WITH THREE TO FIVE OR WE MOVE IT TWO TO FOUR.

UM, THREE TO FIVE IS EASIER FOR COMMISSIONER BAILEY.

TWO TO FOUR IS EASIER FOR COMMISSIONER REEDY.

YEAH.

UM, DON'T MAKE IT ABOUT ME.

WELL, I'M TRYING TO BE INCLUSIVE OF EVERYBODY.

SEE YOU ARE, I SEE YOU, UM, TO BOTH OF YOU.

UM, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED IF THE MORNING, BUT YOU'VE GOT MEETINGS IN THE MORNING AS WELL.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, ANY THOUGHTS FROM THE REST OF THE GROUP? YES, OF COURSE.

WE ALSO HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT AREN'T EVEN HERE, SO RIGHT.

.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY TOO, AND TWO THAT AREN'T FILMED AND TWO THAT AREN'T FILLED.

RIGHT.

SO LIKE IT'S, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A STEP IN THE DARK FOR THEM.

AND THIS IS AN ITEM THAT CANNOT BE POSTPONED BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR BYLAWS TO DECIDE AT THIS MEETING.

YEP.

SO, UM, WHAT SECOND WEDNESDAY WE GOT THAT FAR WE

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COULD, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE? I MEAN I WAS WONDERING THE SAME THING, BUT I DUNNO IF IT REALLY HELPS ANYBODY.

ONE 30 TO THREE 30.

I I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY THE DIFFERENCE.

THAT WOULD BE, NO, I WOULD HAVE TO GO THE OTHER WAY.

TWO 30 TO FOUR 30.

TWO 30 TO FOUR 30, WHICH IS PUSHING IT FOR, UH, COMMISSION REY TWO 30 TO FOUR 30.

HOW ABOUT TWO 30 TO FOUR 30? YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LEAVE A LITTLE EARLY, BUT A TWO 30 TO FOUR 30 YOU MIGHT HAVE TO ARRIVE A LITTLE LATE.

, IS THAT A REASONABLE COMPROMISE? SURE.

TWO 30 TO FOUR 32ND WEDNESDAY.

ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME? I'M LOOKING AT EVERYBODY.

I, IF SHE COMES BACK AND SAYS THAT WE GET THAT NAILED, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA BE AUSTIN ENERGY ONE DAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE AT THE LIBRARY OVER HERE, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE UP HERE AND WE'RE NEVER AT CITY HALL.

NO.

THE GOAL IS DOWNTOWN WOULD BE WE WEREN'T, WE'RE NOT GAINING GROUND BY CHANGING THE TIME.

WE'RE LOSING TIME BY HAVING US THROWN ALL OVER THE CITY.

RIGHT.

IN THE MEETING AT A DIFFERENT PLACE.

I HEAR YOU.

SO HOW ABOUT THIS? HOW ABOUT FELICIA? CAN YOU, CAN YOUR GOAL BE, UM, FIND US DOWNTOWN LOCATIONS FOR EVERY SECOND WEDNESDAY FROM TWO 30 TO FOUR 30? AND IF YOU COME ACROSS A MONTH WHERE THERE'S NO DOWNTOWN LOCATION AT THAT TIME, IF YOU'LL EMAIL, UM, IF YOU'LL EMAIL OUT, UM, A DOWNTOWN LOCATION THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THAT MONTH AS CLOSE TO THAT DATE OR TIME OR LIKE, LIKE FOR THAT WEEK.

FOR THAT WEEK.

THESE DOWNTOWN LOCATIONS ARE AVAILABLE AT THESE TIMES.

AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN, WE CAN PICK, WE LOSE SOME OF THE CONSISTENCY, BUT I THINK WE ALL PREFER THE DOWNTOWN.

SHOULD WE LOOK FOR AN AL IF SHE CAME BACK AND SAID, BUT IF YOU DID IT ON THE THIRD WEDNESDAY, YOU'D HAVE CITY HALL 70% OF THE TIME.

WOULD THAT MAKE A MATERIAL DIFFERENCE? YEAH, IT, IT PROBABLY WOULD.

SO THEN NOT ONLY LOOKING FOR THE SECOND, BUT LOOKING AT THE THIRD WITH THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS.

MM-HMM.

.

MM-HMM.

I THINK FOR TODAY, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, LUCIA, THAT WE JUST NEED TO COME UP WITH A, THIS IS OUR PREFERRED MEETING TIME.

RIGHT.

AND THEN WE'VE, WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

YOU'LL LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE, YOU'LL COMMUNICATE BACK TO US WHERE WE NEED TO TWEAK IT AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.

CORRECT? NO.

SO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, ALL THE COMMISSION BOARDS YEAH.

ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION MM-HMM.

DURING THIS MONTH MM-HMM.

, ONCE ALL OF THE APPROVED SCHEDULES ARE PUT TOGETHER MM-HMM.

, THEN UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A MEETING AT CITY HALL, THE CITY HALL GROUP NEEDS TO SEE WHERE THE MEETINGS FIT AND IF THEY FIT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE AVAILABILITY ON YOUR REQUEST, THEN IT IS UP TO US STAFF LIAISONS TO FIND A LOCATION.

THIS LOCATION AND THE AUSTIN ENERGY LOCATION ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE EQUIPPED FOR ATX IN TO DO THESE RECORDINGS FOR US.

IF NOT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS LIKE, UM, TO COME OUT AND BRING WHATEVER, UM, EQUIPMENT THEY NEED TO BRING FOR OUR RECORDINGS.

SO I REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE MET IN THE PAST AT, UM, SOME OF THE MEETING ROOMS IN THE CONVENTION CENTER.

CUZ WHEN I SAY DOWNTOWN, I'M NOT THINKING OF RESTRICTING US TO CITY HALL.

I'M ALSO THINKING OF AUSTIN ENERGY, PALMER, THE CONVENTION CENTER, TO ME THAT'S ALL IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

CORRECT.

SO I WILL HAVE TO GET WITH ATX IN TO SEE WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS AS WELL.

MM-HMM.

TO MEET OUR NEEDS OF MEETING, UM, WHEREVER WE BE.

SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT, IT SEEMS REALLY, IT SEEMS REALLY COUNTERINTUITIVE FOR US TO BE PICKING A DATE AND TIME WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AVAILABILITY OF THE ROOMS ARE.

RIGHT? SO, SO IF WE SAY WE WOULD PREFER A DOWNTOWN LOCATION, WEDNESDAYS TWO 30 TO FOUR 30, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT HAVE THE ABILITY, HAVE THE AV NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, IF SOMETHING'S NOT AVAILABLE, YOU DO WHAT THEN? YOU WOULD YOU, WE JUST, WE JUST HAVE TO DO WITH WHATEVER ROOM YOU CAN FIND FOR THAT TIME.

IF THAT'S YOUR SCHEDULE YOU'RE APPROVING.

YES.

OKAY.

SO WE CAN'T, UM, ALTER THE TIME AND DATE FOR THAT MEETING TO FIND A LOCA, A LOCATION THAT SUITS.

WE HAVE TO STICK WITH THE TIME AND DATE AND GO WITH THE DIFFERENT LOCATION.

IF YOU TRY TO CHANGE IT, IT'LL BE JUST LIKE WHAT I'M DOING NOW, LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHERE WE CAN HAVE A MEETING.

SO IF YOU'RE SCHEDULED TO HAVE ON A REGULAR TIME AND THEN THEY POST IT ON OUR WEBSITE MM-HMM.

AND WE'RE SCHEDULED TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS AT A CERTAIN TIME, CERTAIN DAY MM-HMM.

AND THEN YOU ASK TO CHANGE IT, THEN I HAVE TO GO AND SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

AND THEN YOU, UM, YEAH, I'M GONNA STOP THERE, BUT

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I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA HAVE ANY CORRECT ANSWERS AFTER WHAT I, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY.

OKAY.

FINISH THE CHATTING.

SO, UM, I MEAN IF WE SET IT FOR LIKE THE SECOND OR THIRD WEDNESDAY BETWEEN TWO 30 AND FOUR 30 AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, SEVEN OF 'EM WE CAN HAVE DOWNTOWN, FIVE OF THEM DON'T WORK OUT, THEN UM, WE, WE ARE ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE, THE DATE AND TIME OF THOSE MEETINGS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'D HAVE TO GO FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO YEAH, BECAUSE Y'ALL DID THAT THIS, THIS PAST YEAR.

YEAH.

Y'ALL DID, Y'ALL CHANGED IT FROM I THINK FEBRUARY WE HAD A MEETING AND THEN, UM, I THINK, UH, APRIL WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING MARCH, BUT IN APRIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHATEVER THE, THE SITUATION WAS AT THAT TIME, WE CHANGED IT.

CUZ WE USED TO DO IT ON MONDAYS IN THE EVENING AND THEN WE CHANGED IT TO WHAT IT IS NOW.

SO YEAH.

SO WE DO HAVE TO GO CHANGE MY, MY MY THOUGHT MAYBE MOTION IS THAT WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS EITHER THE SECOND OR THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH BETWEEN TWO 30 AND FOUR 30, DEPENDING ON WHICH OF THOSE TWO DAYS.

THOSE TWO WEEKS, THE POLICE ARE GONNA GET US THE MOST DOWNTOWN.

AND IF SHE CAN'T GET US DOWNTOWN FOR ALL OF IT, SUBSEQUENT MEETING, WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE, WHERE WE WOULD MEET.

SO THE SECOND PART OF THIS, UM, PROGRESS OR PROCEDURE OF DOING THE SCHEDULES IS WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL EVERYONE GETS IT.

I UNDERSTAND.

TURNED IN.

SO I WON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU UNTIL THEY SHARE WITH ME EITHER IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY.

BUT WE CAN PICK SECOND OR THIRD.

WE CAN, WE CAN SAY THAT WAY.

SHOULD WE JUST SAY WEDNESDAYS AND LET YOU PICK WHETHER IT'S ONE THROUGH FOUR DEPENDING ON THE DOWNTOWN LOCATION? NO, YOU GO AHEAD AND AND MAKE YOUR APPROVAL SCHEDULE.

THAT IS UP TO YOU THAT THAT'S NOT UP TO ME.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND APPROVE IT AS A BOARD.

NO, BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS IT COULD, THE MOTION BE WILL MEET ON WEDNESDAY BETWEEN ONE, WHICH IS, WHAT WAS IT? TWO 30 AND FOUR.

TWO 30 AND FOUR 30.

AND IT'LL BE THE, THE WEEK OF IT'LL BE THE SET WEEK THAT YOU CAN FIGURE OUT THE MOST TIMES WE CAN MEET DOWNTOWN.

SO IF AT THE MOST, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN MEET SEVEN TIMES ON THE FIRST, UH, FIRST WEEK AT WEDNESDAY OR THE, THE OTHER TIMES WE ONLY MEET FIVE TIMES DOWNTOWN, WE WOULD MEET THE FIRST WEEK OF YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

I'M ASKING IF IF THE BOARD, IF WE DECIDE, OKAY, LET'S NOT BE SO RESTRICTIVE, LET'S JUST MAKE IT WEDNESDAYS SO THAT YOU CAN TELL US WHICH WEDNESDAYS OF THE MONTHS HAVE MORE DOWNTOWN LOCATIONS THAN ANY OTHER.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

CAN WE JUST, CAN WE JUST SAY WEDNESDAYS TWO 30 TO FOUR 30 AND THAT BE SUFFICIENT FOR THIS MEETING? YEAH, WE COULD START WITH THAT AND THEN I CAN INFORM YOU WHERE I'M AT AFTER.

ALL RIGHT.

SO HOW DOES THE BOARD FEEL ABOUT THAT? THAT WE JUST PICK WEDNESDAYS TWO 30 TO FOUR 30 AND LET FELICIA LOOK AT DOWNTOWN LOCATIONS AND COME BACK AND TELL US THE MOST ONES OR THE FIRST SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH WEDNESDAY AND WE GO FROM THERE.

CUZ WE STILL WOULD, WE STILL WANT THAT CONSISTENCY.

I DON'T SEE US WANTING TO BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, IT'S THE FIRST WEDNESDAY THIS MONTH AND THE THIRD WEDNESDAY THAT MONTH AND THE FOURTH THAT'LL GET CONFUSING.

BUT I THINK IF WE JUST SAY WEDNESDAY'S TWO 30 TO FOUR 30, IT GIVES SOME FLEXIBILITY TO FIND THAT DOWNTOWN LOCATION AND WHICHEVER WEDNESDAY 1, 2, 3 OR FOUR HAS THE MOST DOWNTOWN AVAILABILITY, THAT'S THE ONE WE PICK.

AND I BET IT THESE, I BET IT WILL BE THE THIRD WEEK , BECAUSE THAT'S THE WEAKNESS HARDEST OF ME.

IT'S JUST THE WAY IT GOES.

BUT I'D BE WILLING TO CONTINUE SUFFERING.

UM, THAT IF THAT'S, IF THAT FLEXIBILITY HELPS US GET DOWNTOWN.

WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

I WOULD SAY THE PREFERENCE IS CITY HALL OF THE DOWNTOWN LOCATIONS, IF WE CAN GET IT.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

AGREE.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT FOR THE 2023 CALENDAR, THIS COMMISSION SHOW ME ON WEDNESDAYS BETWEEN TWO 30 AND FOUR 30 WITH THE DOWN WITH, UH, A DOWNTOWN LOCATION OR DOWNTOWN IS OUR PREFERENCE.

SEA HALL, UM, IDEAL.

SO I GUESS THE MOTION, UM, IS WEDNESDAYS, WE'LL MEET WEDNESDAYS TWO 30 TO FOUR 30.

LET'S START WITH THAT.

LET'S DO IT SEP DIVIDE THE QUESTION.

UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT 2023, WE MEET WEDNESDAYS FROM TWO 30 TO FOUR 30.

IS THERE A MOTION MOVE MOVED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER CHAN? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RONAN.

UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON WEDNESDAYS? TWO 30 TO FOUR 30? ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY

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BY AYE.

AYE.

ANY? NO.

ANY ABSTENTIONS.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'VE GOT THE WEDNESDAYS, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT, UM, THIS BOARD MEET IN A DOWNTOWN LOCATION.

CITY HALL BEING THE PREFERENCE.

IS THERE A MOTION? IT'S MOVED.

SO MOVED BY COMMISSIONER OWN AND IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

AND BY COMMISSIONER CHAN.

AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO MEET DOWNTOWN CITY HALL BEING THE PREFERENCE.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL, WE'LL PUT IT TO THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

ANY NOSE? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

UM, AND WE WILL WAIT TO HEAR BACK FROM FELICIA AS TO WHICH WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH HAS THE MOST AVAILABILITY FOR OUR PREFERRED LOCATION AT THE TIME WE HAVE APPROVED.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE THAT ITEM OF BUSINESS? EXCELLENT.

.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, MOVING ON, UH, UPDATES FROM PERX AND ENVIRONMENT WORKING GROUP.

NOBODY FROM PARKS AND WORKING ENVIRONMENT GROUP IS HERE.

DISCUSSION

[5. Discussion and updates from the TPID Working Group ]

FROM TPI, WE HAVE NOT MET, BUT COMMISSIONER RONAN, HAVE YOU, UM, I KNOW YOU WERE LOOKING TO REACH OUT TO THE ACRONYM THAT I CAN NEVER REMEMBER.

ADC, UH, IT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

HAVE NOT HAPPENED? NO.

ALL RIGHT.

AND COMMISSIONER REY, UH, WEREN'T YOU GONNA REACH OUT TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE WILLING TO JOIN THE GROUP? HAVE YOU HAD ANY PROGRESS? NO.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT'S THOSE TWO ITEMS.

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, PLEASE.

SO, JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS, BUT THERE WAS A LETTER HERE FROM THE CITY ABOUT REQUEST FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER STAFF TO, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? I'M SORRY.

JUST MOVE THE WHOLE THING, PLEASE.

THERE YOU GO.

UH, THERE WAS THIS, UH, COMMUNICATION FROM, UH, THE CONVENTION CENTER STAFF THAT THEY COULDN'T ATTEND TODAY'S MEETING.

UM, I THINK WE REACHED OUT FOR THEM TO, TO ATTEND.

UM, AND THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE THIS WEEK, BUT THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON NOVEMBER 16TH.

BUT, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SOME TYPE OF, UM, MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH THEM, I THINK IS WHAT THEIR COMMUNICATION STATES.

AND SO.

RIGHT.

CAN I UHHUH, MY, MY, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE COULD GET BACK TO THEM ON AND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THEM TO DISCUSS.

UM, OKAY.

YEAH.

NO, THAT'S INTERESTING.

SO IF THAT HAPPENS, IT'S NOT NOVEMBER 16TH OR, OR SEP NOVEMBER 16TH.

OUR, OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE IS NOVEMBER 16TH, THREE TO FIVE.

OKAY.

UM, WE DID, UH, THERE WAS IN THE PREVIOUS MOTION WHERE WE WERE DISCUSSING, UM, POSTPONING, UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE ON TODAY'S, NOT NUMBER THREE, NUMBER TWO ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER WE NEEDED TO MOVE THE NOVEMBER MEETING, BUT HAVING JUST BEEN THROUGH THE CALENDAR, I THINK WE'VE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.

UM, SO YEAH, WE WOULD, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY, THEY'RE READY TO COME.

YEAH, THEY'RE READY TO COME NOVEMBER 16TH.

AND I, I, YOU KNOW, WE'D GIVE 'EM MORE DIRECTION AS TO WHAT WE, DO YOU HAVE SOME SUGGESTION OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO NO, I JUST SAW, I SAW, I JUST SAW THE COMMUNICATION.

I JUST THOUGHT WE SHOULD RESPOND TO IT.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL ASKING FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? YES.

SO I, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE, UM, HAVE A STANDING FUTURE AGENDA ITEM FOR COMMUNITY INPUT WITH REGARD TO, UH, ORGANIZATIONS INITIATIVES, UM, THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO TOURISM HERE IN AUSTIN.

SO IF PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, THAT THEY HAVE A PLATFORM UPON WHICH TO, UH, ENGAGE WITH TOURISM OFFICIALS LIKE US MM-HMM.

, AND WE CAN THEREBY AMPLIFY THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING AND HELP, UM, ENGAGE AND INFORM THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY ABOUT THESE EFFORTS.

SO IT'S A STANDING ITEM WHERE WE'RE INVITING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE INVOLVED TO COME, JUST INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, TELL US WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

UH, AND I MIGHT CALL IT AN OPEN INVITATION.

MM-HMM.

, WHICH WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM PUBLIC COMMENT AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER ORGANIZATION.

AND IS IT TIED TO HAVE SOME SORT TOURISM PURPOSE? YES.

YEAH.

GONNA

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BE A STANDING ITEM.

AND, UM, WHO WOULD, UM, EXTEND THE INVITATION? HOW DO YOU SEE THAT PROCESS? UH, I THINK WE COULD PROMOTE IT AS JUST MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, BUT ALSO I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A LINK ON OUR WEBSITE INVITING FOLKS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, WORK FOR FESTIVALS, ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS, MUSEUMS, ATTRACTIONS, HOTELS, EVEN IF THEY'D WANT, I MEAN, IT IS JUST GOOD TO KNOW WHO'S IN THIS COMMUNITY MM-HMM.

, UM, AND HAVE A LITTLE, MAYBE CROSS GERMINATION, UH, FOR THOSE OF US THAT THEY DON'T WORK FOR HOTELS, FOR THOSE OF US THAT DON'T WORK FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER OR WORK WITH THEM, UM, MUSEUMS, ET CETERA, THAT WE'RE ALL HEARING MORE ABOUT THE INDUSTRY.

MM-HMM.

, I, I LIKE, I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD MAYBE DO IT RATHER THAN JUST LEAVING OPEN DANIEL, MAYBE WE, UH, SPECIFICALLY ASK SOME PEOPLE THAT TO MAYBE DO LIKE A SPOTLIGHT ON, YOU KNOW, TOURISM OPPORTUNITY OR TOURISM, PEOPLE THAT BRING TOURISM TO THE CITY OR ATTRACTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE CITY.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I THINK YOUR POINT OF BEING ABLE TO BRING THOSE PEOPLE TO THE COMMISSION SO WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING IS A GOOD ONE.

AND HOW HELP, HOW WE CAN HELP PROMOTE THEM AS WELL.

MM-HMM.

, I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I THINK IF YOU JUST LEAVE IT OPEN AND JUST PUT A WEB LINK ON, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ATTRACTION YOU'LL GET TO THAT MM-HMM.

.

BUT I THINK IF YOU, IF WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LIST THAT WE TAKE, MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW A LOT MORE OF IT THAN I DO, UH, AND START SOME INVITATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, CALL IT, YOU WANT TO, WE WANNA SPOTLIGHT CERTAIN PEOPLE AND HAVE A, AN AGENDA ITEM EVERY WEEK FOR IT.

WHETHER IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, WHETHER IT'S A F FESTIVAL OR THE, UH, OR THE MUSEUMS OR WHATEVER THAT GOES ON.

BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON HERE MM-HMM.

.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY.

AND I ALSO THINK TOO, UM, IT'D BE GOOD JUST TO ELEVATE TOURISM RESOURCES IN THE STATE.

YOU KNOW, I JUST APPLIED FOR, ON BEHALF OF MY MUSEUM FOR THE TEXAS TOURISM INDUSTRY REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM.

AND I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THAT PROGRAM.

AND I THINK IT'S SUPER CRITICAL FOR MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES IN THE TOURISM SPACE.

UM, SO INVITING SOMEONE FROM THE STATE TOURISM, UM, DEPARTMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT OR WHAT IT IS, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD KNOW, RIGHT? , I'M ON THIS, I'M ON THIS, UH, I THINK IT'S THE OFFICE OF TOURISM GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF TOURISM.

YES.

SO, UH, IT, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, A GREAT WAY TO ELEVATE OUR PROFILE AS A BODY AND ALSO ENGAGE WITH AUSTINITES THAT WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT TOURISM AND HOW IT AFFECTS AUSTIN TOURISM.

OKAY.

UM, DOES ANYONE HERE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT, UM, WHAT THE CITY, SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE CITY IS DOING FOR HOMELESSNESS DOWNTOWN, LIKE WE'RE ALL AWARE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY DECRIMINALIZED CAMPING AND WE'RE ALL AWARE, THEN THE STATE SWEPT EVERYBODY AWAY.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME CITY INITIATIVES TO TRY AND HELP WITH HOUSING.

BUT I'M WONDERING WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC.

I KNOW THAT I THINK THERE WAS, UH, SOMEONE APPOINTED BY THE CITY, UM, SPECIFIC TO HOUSING, NO.

YEAH.

HOMELESSNESS.

MM-HMM.

.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THEM.

CUZ I, I DO FEEL LIKE THE, UM, HOMELESSNESS, UM, DOWNTOWN HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON TOURISTS.

UM, AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE TOURISM, UM, AND ALSO NOT JUST SORT OF, I FEEL LIKE DOWNTOWN IS KIND OF, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I SEE WHEN I WALK DOWNTOWN NOW THAT DOWNTOWN'S JUST SORT OF LOOKING A BIT SHABBY.

NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE, BUT LIKE SCOOTERS IN PLACES AND THE STREETS KIND OF SEEM DIRTY AND IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL AS WELL KEPT AS IT USED TO FEEL.

AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.

AND I FEEL LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO, UH, BLAME OR VILLAINIZE ANYONE, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE HERE AS A BODY, WHICH IS OUR BYLAWS, WHICH IS TO PROMOTE TOURISM, RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING FOR AVENUES TO IMPROVE TOURIST TOURISM.

CUZ IF WE IMPROVE THE TOURIST EXPERIENCE, THEN WE IMPROVE TOURISM.

SO I'M, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WE FIND OUT ABOUT.

SO TWO THINGS, UM MM-HMM.

, AND I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT THERE'S, UM, A GUY THAT'S THE HEAD OF LIKE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND SENDING, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS

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MM-HMM.

, UM, THAT, AND THEY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE GUY IS STILL IN THAT POSITION, BUT I KNOW, I'M SURE THE POSITION STILL EXISTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE, WE HAD A LOT OF SIDEWALKS DOWNTOWN AUSTIN.

THEY WERE LIKE ELEVATED MM-HMM.

AND WERE TORN DOWN, RECONSTRUCTED AND LOWERED.

HE HAD A WHOLE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW HE WAS GONNA PROVE, YOU KNOW, GETTING AROUND.

YEAH.

IN AUSTIN HE WAS VERY, HE WAS VERY INTERESTING.

BUT I'M SURE THERE'S SOMEBODY IN I, AND THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN FIVE YEARS MM-HMM.

AGO.

BUT I'M SURE THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THAT POSITION IF IT'S NOT THE SAME OR NOT.

BUT HE'S GOT, THAT'S THEIR FOCUS OF TRYING TO PROVE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND DOWNTOWN.

AND WHAT ABOUT, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE USED TO HAVE THE FREE DI THAT USED TO THE DI I REMEMBER LIKE, IS THAT PERMANENTLY GONE AND SCOOTERS HAVE REPLACED? CAUSE I REMEMBER THE DI BEING SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.

CAPITAL METRO.

YEAH.

I JUST REMEMBER THAT BEING REALLY HELPFUL AND LOTS OF PEOPLE USING IT.

IS THAT SHUT OFF? YEAH.

IT WAS ONE OF THOSE BUSES THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, UH, CABLE CAR, UH, NOT CABLE CAR, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

YEAH.

CABLE, YOU KNOW, THE OLD, THE ONES THAT ARE RETROFIT IS BOOK OLD.

AND IT, AND THERE USED TO BE LIKE THREE OF THEM.

THERE WAS A RED AND A GOLD AND A BLUE CIRCLE AS I REMEMBER.

AND THEY JUST WOULD DO A CIRCLE.

EACH ONE WOULD DO A DIFFERENT CIRCLE DOWNTOWN AND IT WAS FREE AND YOU COULD JUST HOP ON ONE BLOCK AND HOP OFF ANOTHER.

SO I REMEMBER DOWNTOWN BEING SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, WORKERS AND YOU WOULD HOP ON AT LUNCHTIME TO GET TO YOUR, THE RESTAURANT AND HOP BACK AND IT JUST DISAPPEARED.

AND IT SORT OF LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.

WELL PERHAPS WE CAN INVITE CAP METRO TO SPEAK ABOUT HOW THEY, UH, WORK TO MARKET PUBLIC TRANSIT OPTIONS TO TOURISTS.

MM-HMM.

AND MAYBE THE, UH, THE PARTNERSHIP COMING ABOUT AUSTIN TRANSIT PARTNERSHIP AND CAP AND UH, PROJECT CONNECT, HOW THAT'S GOING TO INFLUENCE.

YEAH.

UM, THE GROWTH OF TOURISM IN DOWNTOWN AUSTIN, ALL OVER AUSTIN, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OUR MANDATE'S NOT DOWNTOWN.

IT IS ALL OF AUSTIN.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND ON THAT SAME TOKEN, I MIGHT RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE, THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION.

CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS ARE CROSSING OVER MM-HMM.

.

UM, THAT MIGHT BE A FUTURE INVITATION OR IDEA THAT WE CAN, IF WE CAN ALL MEET ON THE SAME DAY.

, WHICH IS THE YEAH, NO, APPARENTLY AN ACT OF CONGRESS, BUT, UH, .

WELL, I, I AGREE CUZ I, A LOT OF THESE ISSUES DO OVERLAP WITH I IMAGINE WHAT THE DOWN, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT DOWNTOWN COMMISSION'S LOOKING IN.

BUT DEFINITELY THESE ARE SORT OF THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE, WELL THIS, THIS DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON TOURISM, THIS CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON TOURISM.

AND THESE ARE JUST THINGS AT THIS POINT I'M LOOKING FOR.

I I WANT MORE EDUCATION ABOUT IT.

AND THERE'S A SPECIFIC DOWNTOWN GROUP THAT IS DOWNTOWN, GOD I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME.

ALLIANCE, DOWNTOWN ALLIANCE, IS IT ALLIANCE? MM-HMM.

THAT, YOU KNOW, SWEEPS TO SIDEWALKS MM-HMM.

AND THEY'RE STILL AROUND.

YEAH.

I SEE THEM.

BUT, UH, YEAH, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO KNOW ARE, UH, HOW ARE THINGS IN THESE, IN THESE ENTITIES WORLDS, LIKE WHAT ARE THEIR CHALLENGES? WHAT ARE THEIR SUCCESSES? WHAT ARE THEY UP AGAINST? AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO AS A BODY TO ASSIST, LIKE WITH A RECOMMENDATION OR SOMETHING TO, OR, YOU KNOW, PULL THE CITY'S FOCUS, HELPFUL CITY'S FOCUS TO THEIR NEEDS OR SOMETHING.

WELL, AND I THINK MORE POINTEDLY WE CAN SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY TRY AND ENGENDER A BROADER CONVERSATION ON HOT TAXES AND WHETHER THE BANK FOR THE BUCK ON THE HOT TAXES ARE SERVING TOURISM PURPOSES.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN BE ASKING THAT QUESTION OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WE INVITE.

UM, I'M JUST THINKING ALOUD, BUT THAT'S, I THINK A PART OF OUR PURVIEW IS GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO SUPPORT TOURISM.

LET'S LOOK AND SEE IF THE, THE HOT TAX IS ACTUALLY HELPING TOURISM AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT IF IT ISN'T.

UM, I WONDER IF THAT'S A YEAH, I JUST, YEAH, I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO TWO THINGS.

I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT PURVIEW THAT WE HAVE REGARDING THE HOT TAX BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH OF IT THAT'S STATE REGULATED ALSO.

UH, BUT UNDERSTANDING IT IS A GOOD, WAS ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA.

AND I KNOW THIS BOARD HAS LISTENED TO IT BEFORE.

UH, BUT, AND PERHAPS WE SHOULD DO IT AGAIN JUST TO REFRESH OURSELVES WITH IT.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CHAIRMAN'S IDEA OF COMING UP WITH NOT JUST, UH, THINGS TO SUPPORT MARKETING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

BUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE OUT THAT ARE INFLUENCING THE NEGATIVITY OF TOURISM COMING INTO THE CITY, BECAUSE THERE IS THAT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE PANHANDLING THAT GOES ON, YOU KNOW, SHOTS BEING FIRED AT HOTELS.

UH, YOU HAVE THE SCOOTER SITUATION THAT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, I AGREE THAT THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS LOOKING RATHER SHABBY THESE DAYS.

AND IF YOU COMPARE IT TO, I JUST RECENTLY IN HOUSTON, DO

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THEY HAVE HOMELESS? YES.

IS IT LIKE HERE? NO.

UH, DO THEY HAVE SCOOTERS? YEP.

BUT IS IT LIKE HERE? NO, DENVER WAS THE SAME THING.

I WAS IN DENVER LAST MONTH.

DENVER LOOKS GREAT.

CLEAN, UH, SHARP THINGS ARE CONTROLLED.

UH, AND I, AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE THING, THE ISSUES THAT DO AFFECT IT NEGATIVELY.

AND THEN BACK TO THE HOT TAX, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE TIMELY FOR US TO, TO LISTEN TO FIND OUT AGAIN HOW THAT HOT TAXES, UH, DELINEATED IN HOW YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, CHANGE IT.

CUZ I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS ON THE BOARD THAT AREN'T EVEN HERE TODAY THAT ARE LOOKING TO DO THAT.

SO.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I THINK WE'VE GOT, UH, A GOOD, ALSO THE OTHER THING THAT YOU HAD EMAILED ME ABOUT, BUT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME FOR THIS AGENDA.

YEAH.

UH, THE LETTER, WELL, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT ON THIS AGENDA ANYWAY, BECAUSE I EMAILED IT TO YOU AFTER THE AGENDA HAD GONE OUT.

EXACTLY.

SO MY GOAL WAS MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT TOGETHER FOR NEXT MEETING, NEXT MEETING'S AGENDA.

JUST SO FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, THE, UM, THE RESPONSE FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE REGARDING ATTENDANCE AT MEETINGS MM-HMM.

AND, UH, CHAIR MCGEE HAD ASKED ME TO WRITE A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW BY THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE CLERK'S RESPONSE.

THIS IS LIKE A POSTAL SITUATION, , BUT, UM, APPARENTLY THEY CAN'T DO WEDNESDAY STREET CLUB.

I'M, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

UM, THANK YOU.

I I REALLY THINK THOUGH THAT THIS IS A LARGER ISSUE THAT REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED OUR, OUR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS TO STEP UP AND APPOINT PEOPLE.

WE ALSO NEED THE MAYOR TO POINT SOMEONE.

MM-HMM.

, IT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT, IT'S UNDUE PRESSURE ON US AS PUBLIC CITIZENS MM-HMM.

TO HAVE THE CLERK DO ITS JOB, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE THE RULES.

SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM, I THINK THIS IS AN EXTRA THING THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M WILLING TO DO BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT MM-HMM.

, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND TO GIVE EVERYONE A PASS BECAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T MAKE IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

IT JUST DOESN'T CUT IT THAT COMMISSIONERS SHOULD BE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD BE STEPPING UP AS WELL AS, UM, WELL THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS, ON THESE COMMISSIONS SHOULD BE STEPPING UP, SO MM-HMM.

, UM, AND THE CLERK SHOULD BE THE ENFORCER .

SO I'M HAPPY TO WRITE AN IMPASSIONED YET, UM, CONCISE LETTER, UH, STATING OUR POINTS.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, YOU, I I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD DO THAT FIRST DRAFT AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SEND ME YOUR FIRST DRAFT AND, UH, I'LL SEND YOU BACK MY THOUGHTS AND THEN MAYBE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THEN BRING TO NOVEMBER TO SEE HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEEL ABOUT THIS LETTER FROM THE, FROM US.

UM, AND I'M, I'M TOTALLY FINE IF YOU WANT TO BROADEN IT TO INCLUDE SOME THINGS THAT YOU'VE SAID.

UM, I MAY ALSO WANT TO ADD SOME THINGS TO IT TOO.

WONDERFUL.

BUT I THOUGHT YOU COULD GET THE BALL ROLLING.

GREAT.

THANKS.

THE OTHER THING WE DISCUSSED, BUT I DON'T THINK MADE IT INTO DISCUSSION, AND IT'S NOT REALLY ON THE AGENDA, BUT TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, I THINK WE CAN DO IT, CAN WE CANCEL OUR MEETING IN DECEMBER DUE TO IT BEING THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

YEAH, SURE.

I THINK SO.

YEAH.

IS THAT FELICIA? IS THAT YEAH, I CAN JUST SO IT'S FEASIBLE.

WE CAN JUST CANCEL A MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE, CAN YOU TURN YOUR, YOUR SURE.

YEP.

.

SO WHEN Y'ALL GET A MOMENT, UM, THERE'S SOME NOTES THAT I WROTE TO Y'ALL THAT, UM, WE AS STAFF LIAISONS HAD TO GO THROUGH SOME REFRESHER TRAININGS AND JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SOME IDEAS THAT CAME ABOUT FROM IT.

UM, ONE OF 'EM BEING ATTENDANCE AND CANCELLATIONS, UM, IS ON THIS.

SO IF YOU WANNA CHECK THAT OUT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, THAT'D BE SOMETHING Y'ALL HAVE TO AGREE ON.

AND WE CAN MOVE FOR THAT AT THIS MEETING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE WE CAN WAIT UNTIL NEXT MEETING.

WE'RE, HECK, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO NOT HAVING TO, I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE FORWARD NOW JUST FOR THE CERTAINTY.

YES.

AND OUR COMMITMENTS.

YES.

I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING PROBLEMATIC, BUT IT'S NOT THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE'RE CANCELING A MEETING.

IT'S NOT LIKE THE WHOLE POINT OF PUBLISHING THE AGENDA IS LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW.

WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THIS TOPIC SO EVERYBODY HAS FAIR NOTICE TO COME AND JOIN IN.

SO I, I MOVED THE COUNCIL TO DECEMBER MEETING.

DECEMBER MEETING.

SECOND.

SECOND.

RIGHT.

MOVE BY COMMISSION, SHANNON SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

SO THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS THAT WE CANCEL THE DECEMBER 22 TOURISM COMMISSION MEETING.

ANY DISCUSSION THERE BEING NO DISCUSSION? WE'LL HAVE A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CANCELING

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THE DECEMBER 22ND, 2022 MEETING.

AYE.

AYE.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

SO NO NOS NO ABSTENTIONS.

UH, ALRIGHT.

SO DID YOU WANT ME TO THIS OR DID YOU WANT ME COME UP WITH SOME GUIDELINES? I, I JUST WAS, I, YOU KNOW, THINK WE OUGHT TO RESPOND TO IT.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE INVITED THEM HERE.

WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LIKE? THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY WERE HERE JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS, UH, THE COMMUNICATION THAT'S FROM, UH, KTS, NIK, DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? UM, CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, THE ELSTON CONVENTION CENTER.

UH, WE HAD ASKED, UM, THE CONVENTION CENTER TO APPEAR BEFORE US TO GIVE US THEIR FEEDBACK ON THE RESOLUTION THAT WE POSTPONED THIS ACTION ON.

TODAY.

THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO COME TO OUR NOVEMBER 16TH MEETING.

THEY'RE REQUESTING FURTHER GUIDELINES ON WHAT FEEDBACK THE COMMISSION WOULD REQUEST FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER STAFF AHEAD OF THAT MEETING.

SO, UM, GUIDELINES, ANYBODY GOT ANY GUIDELINES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REFER, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THEIR QUESTION? AND THEIR QUESTION IS, OH, WELL, ISN'T, I THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS, THAT THERE WERE, THERE WERE CERTAIN ASSERTIONS FACTS, POSITION, NUMBERS, DATES, THINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.

AND I DON'T KNOW, DID WE HAVE, WERE WE SEEKING VALIDATION THAT, THAT THEY CONCURRED WITH THE NUMBERS IN THAT? I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE.

I THINK, I THINK, I THINK COMMISSION IS, YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH THAT.

I THINK IT STARTED WITH, UM, HAVING MR. SANDERS IN AND THEN HAVING THE GUY FROM HVS COME IN AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A DISPARITY ON WHAT ONE WAS SAYING TO THE OTHER.

AND WE WERE KIND OF LIKE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ANSWERS WERE TO THAT BASICALLY.

SO SUPERIOR TO DOGS.

OKAY.

SEE, WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT, WHAT WAS THAT? SIRI JOINED US.

COMMISSIONER SIRI COMMISSION.

THAT WAS, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MUTE THAT.

THAT WAS MY PHONE SENDING ME SOMETHING .

AND I'M NOT MUTED, SO I APOLOGIZE.

, WE GOT A GOOD LAUGH OUT OF IT.

YEAH, IT WAS GOOD, JOHN.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE? I, I, I THINK THAT THERE WAS ONE THING I NOTICED.

SO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT, WELL, SINCE THE FAIRMONT'S BEEN BIGGER, THAT WE'VE GOT MORE MEETING SPACE.

AND I REMEMBER WRITING A NOTE OR SOMEBODY SAID, YEAH, BUT WE DON'T CONTROL, THE CITY DOESN'T CONTROL THE FAIRMONT.

SO IF THERE'S SOMEBODY, WHAT'S COME INTO TOWN TO DO A CONVENTION AT THE FAIRMONT, GREAT.

BUT IS IT FOR THE CITY'S BUSINESS OR IS THAT PRIVATE BUSINESS FOR THE FAIRMONT? AND SO THINGS LIKE THAT, BEING IN, IN THIS RECOMMENDATION, I THOUGHT WAS, THEY JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

AND I THOUGHT, I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT I WAS NOT CLEAR ON.

HOW DOES A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT HAS MEANING FACILITIES TAKE THE PLACE OF A CONVENTION, A CITY OWNED CONVENTION CENTER, AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, WHO'S, HOW DO WE MAKE GUIDANCE ON THAT AS A COMMISSION? I MEAN, THAT IT'S AN ASSERTION IN THIS DOCUMENT, BUT IT'S NOT, WHAT IS THE CONVENTION CENTER'S THOUGHTS ON THE COMPLICATIONS OF OUTSOURCING TO A THIRD PARTY ENTITY, OUR CONVENTION BUSINESS? WELL SAID.

OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? AND THEN IF THEY'RE HERE, I, I'D KIND OF LIKE JUST A GENERAL UPDATE ON THEIR RECOVERY OF THE CONVENTION BUSINESS.

UM, PARTICULARLY AS COMPARED TO, I GUESS 2019, THE YEAR BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

I, MY GUESS IS IT'S PRETTY MUCH RECOVERED ON TRACK.

OKAY.

IF THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE, OF COURSE, I WANNA KNOW HOW, WHAT THEIR PLAN IS WHEN IT'S CLOSED.

BUT THAT'S GETTING INTO A DIFFERENT TOPIC.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING.

I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE AMENABLE TO SORT OF LOOK AT THIS RESOLUTION AND GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE RESOLUTION.

AND BY THE WAY, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME, YEAH.

LET US KNOW INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR PLAN.

IT'S GONNA BE PAINFUL PLANS.

I'M SURE IT'LL BE PAINFUL, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY TO EXPAND IT WITH, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BECOME A CONCLUSION.

THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT, BUT TO DO IT THAT WAY AND JUST WHAT THEIR GENERAL THOUGHTS ARE AND HOW THEY PLAN ON HANDLING IT.

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OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REQUEST, I THINK I SENT YOU AN EMAIL, UM, ABOUT THIS, UH, ALICIA, ABOUT DATES ON OUR, UH, OH, ON THE AGENDA.

MM-HMM.

, JUST FUTURE MEETING DATES SO WE CAN ALL HAVE THAT OUT THERE.

CONTINUAL REMINDER ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD ALL BE SHOWING UP TO THESE MEETINGS AS COMMISSIONERS AND FOR ANY OF OUR WONDERFUL PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND, BECOME OUR, OUR FANS ON OUR AGEN TO LISTEN UP IN THE ADJOURNMENT SECTION, EITHER AT THE START OR THE BOTTOM, JUST TAGGING ON NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS TIME AND PLACE.

ALL OF THEM.

I JUST THINK, UH, KEEP IT ALL THERE ALL THE TIME.

THE WHOLE LIST.

YES.

OKAY.

I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH CITY CLERK, SEE IF THERE, THAT'S OKAY.

IS IT, IS IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE REGULAR TEMPLATE? OKAY.

DO YOU THINK I COULD SEE THEM BE, YOU KNOW, LISTING ALL OF THEM? THEY MIGHT BULK, BUT EVEN JUST THE ONE, THE NEXT MEETING DATE, YOU THINK THEY MIGHT BULK ON THE TEMPLATE OR MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A COMPROMISE.

MAYBE YOU CAN ASK 'EM FOR, DO I HAVE TO PUT THIS IN MY CLERK LETTER COMPROMISE? LIKE, REALLY DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE OR NOT? THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

SO, I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD PLAIN DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AGAINST Y'ALL HERE.

UM, IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE, ON OUR WEBPAGE WHERE YOU CAN GET ALL OF OUR AGENDAS AND, UM, LINKS OR WHATNOT.

UM, WE DO POST THEM 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO SEE IT.

I DO SEND Y'ALL CALENDARS, UM, THE SCHEDULE CALENDAR, AND THEN THE SPREADSHEET TO LET YOU KNOW WHEN THE NEXT MEETINGS ARE.

SO I'M DOING EVERYTHING ON MY END FOR COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND AND SENDING EMAILS.

LIKE I'M CONSTANTLY SENDING Y'ALL EMAILS, REMINDERS THAT WE'RE HAVING A MEETING NEXT WEEK.

WE'RE HAVING A MEETING WEDNESDAY, WE'RE HAVING A MEETING TOMORROW, TODAY'S OUR MEETING DAY.

SO THAT'S ALL THAT I'VE BEEN DOING.

UM, BUT I'LL ASK, WAIT, I, I, I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S QUESTIONING THE JOB YOU DO, FELICIA.

NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

WHAT, WHAT DANIEL IS REFERRING TO IS THE OPPOSITE, IS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND TRYING TO ENFORCE OR PROMULGATE PEOPLE TO COME OR NOT COME, OR NOT BE A COMMISSIONER, QUITE FRANKLY.

NO, I, I AGREE.

A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO APPROVE.

UH, AND THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING STRUGGLE FOR TWO YEARS.

YEAH.

AND THE THING IS, I KNOW THAT CITY CLERK WILL ASK ME, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YEAH.

SO TELL, TELL 'EM WE THINK THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

WE ABSOLUTELY DO.

AND IT JUST MAY NOT BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

BUT ID LIKE TO ACKNOW AND CONGRATULATE FELICIA FOR FINISHING HER MASTERS.

OH, CONGRATULATIONS.

SO VERY GOOD.

YEAH.

WHAT WAS YOUR MASTERS IN? BUSINESS BUSINESS.

CONGRATULATIONS.

ALL RIGHT, WELL DONE.

I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF HARD WORK WHILE ALSO TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES WITH US, SO, AND BE A MOM AS WELL.

YEP.

SO WELL DONE.

WELL DONE.

YOU ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER FURTHER BUSINESS FOR US TODAY? THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SO MOVE BY COMMISSION.

SHANNON.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER REIDY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFIED BY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY.

YOU DON'T CARE.

DON'T ME AROUND.

HANG AROUND HERE.

DON'T LOVE ME OUR BABY.

I KNOW IT.

YOU DON'T ME TO KNOW YOU.

IT.

HE DOESN'T KNOW YOU.

SHOW IT KNOWS YOU, SHOW WELL.

IT FEEL SO DON'T SEE YOU'ALL LOVE GOING DOWN.

SO GOING DOWN, SO,