[Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order ]
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FORUM AND HAVING A QUORUM PRESENT WITHIN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
I NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER AT, HMM, 6:03 PM UM, SO FIRST WE'RE GONNA DO ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH THOSE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY THOSE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
UM, SO IN THE CHAMBERS WE HAVE, UH, JEFFREY THOMPSON HERE.
AND I'M GOING TO THOSE ONLINE.
SO, UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE IN THE CHAMBERS WE HAVE, UH, EX-OFFICIO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CHAIR, JESSICA COHEN
UM, AND AS WE'VE BEEN ANNOUNCING SINCE, UH, 2020, CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED HYBRID MEETINGS AND ALLOWING FOR A VIRTUAL QUORUM AS LONG AS THE COMMISSIONER SERVING AS CHAIR IS PRESENT IN CHAMBERS, WHICH I AM.
UH, AS SUCH, WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS HERE IN CHAMBERS AND IN ATTENDANCE VIRTUALLY AND SPEAKERS CAN PRESENT FROM THE CHAMBERS OR PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY.
UM, IF YOU WISH TO WAIT IN THE ATRIUM, UH, THE COMMISSION LIAISON, MR. RIVERA, WE'LL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE ATRIUM A FEW MINUTES BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION BEGINS EACH PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, AND IF YOU ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, YOU'LL RECEIVE AN EMAIL ABOUT 15 MINUTES PRIOR TO US TAKING UP YOUR ITEM.
UH, I'LL ALSO HAVE ASSISTANCE FROM MR. RIVERA AND ANNOUNCING THE SPEAKERS DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER SHAY WILL BE READING, UM, THE FIRST READING OF THE, UH, AGENDA CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, FOR THOSE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, PLEASE HAVE YOUR GREEN, RED, AND YELLOW ITEMS FOR VOTING.
AND WE WILL ANNOUNCE, UM, DURING THE VOTES THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE MEETING, THE NUMBER OF VOTES FOR AGAINST AND IN ABSTENTION, FOLLOWED BY THE NAMES OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, AND HOW THEY VOTE.
SO, UM, AND JUST A REMINDER, THOSE ONLINE, PLEASE REMAIN MUTED WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, RAISE YOUR HAND TO BE RECOGNIZED.
UM, AND IF I MISS YOU, PLEASE, UM, LET ME KNOW, VIRTU VERBALLY THAT YOU NEED TO SPEAK.
UM, AND ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO CAN HELP ME DO THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, SO FIRST WE, UH, MR. RIVERA, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION? OKAY.
[Reading of the Agenda ]
SHAY, YOU COULD DO THE FIRST READING OF THE AGENDA.SO FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 11TH ON CONSENT.
THEN NEXT FOR, UH, ITEM TWO FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HAVE, UH, NPA 2022 6.0 1 8 2 26 DASH 82 40 GEORGIAN DRIVE, DISTRICT FOUR.
UH, THIS IS A STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH.
IT IS C 14 DASH 2 0 22 DASH 0 86, SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT FIVE.
THIS IS POSTED FOR DISCUSSION.
NEXT WE HAVE ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS ON CONSENT.
IT'S A PLAN AMENDMENT NPA DASH 2022 DASH 0 0 2 8 0 2 DASH JOHN WOOD WAY DASH 33 DEGREES, DISTRICT ONE.
AND WITH THAT WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, REZONING THAT GOES WITH IT FOR ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS ALSO CURRENTLY ON CONSENT.
AND THAT IS C 14 DASH 2022 DASH ZERO DASH 85 DASH JOHN WOOD WAY, DASH 33 DEGREES.
UH, DISTRICT ONE AGAIN FOR CONSENT.
NEXT WE HAVE ITEM SIX ON CONSENT PLAN AMENDMENT NPA DASH 2019 DASH 0 0 1, 3 0 1 DASH COPELAND SOUTH DISTRICT NINE.
NEXT ITEM SEVEN, REZONING FOR CONSENT C 14 DASH 2021 DASH 0 180 5 DASH COPELAND SOUTH DISTRICT NINE.
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REZONING CONSENT FOR ITEM EIGHT C 14 DASH 2021 DASH 0 82 DASH COPELAND.FOR DISTRICT NINE, WE HAVE ITEM NINE ON CONSENT, WHICH IS REZONING C 14 DASH 2022 DASH 81 DASH FRANK SOUTH DISTRICT NINE.
WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT FOR ITEM 10 TO, UH, NOVEMBER 15TH BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT IS C 14 DASH 2022 DASH 0 76 DASH 3,100 GUADALUPE DISTRICT NINE.
WE HAVE ITEM 11 SITE PLAN ON CONSENT SP DASH 2021 DASH 0 1 4 30 C DASH EASTON PARK, MIXED USE DISTRICT TWO.
WE HAVE ITEM 12 FOR DISCUSSION.
IT'S A SITE PLAN EXTENSION S S P DASH 2016 DASH 21 C XT TWO UNANIMOUS BREWERY DISTRICT TWO.
WE HAVE ITEM 13 ON CONSENT, A PRELIMINARY PLAN C EIGHT DASH 2021 DASH 0 1 52 DASH PINNACLE AT WILD WILDHORSE DISTRICT.
SO WILDHORSE RANCH DISTRICT ONE ITEM 14.
THIS IS ON CONSENT TO PROVE WITH CONDITIONS BASED ON, UH, EXHIBIT C, FINAL PLAT OUT OF AN APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN C EIGHT J DASH 2022 DASH 0 1 70 SEVEN.ONE A EASTON PARK, SECTION FOUR B EAST PHASE ONE, DISTRICT TWO, ITEM 15 ON CONSENT IS A CODE AMENDMENT FOR HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS.
ITEM 16 FOR DISCUSSION IS A CODE AMENDMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE ON COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES CODE AMENDMENT.
AND THAT IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
SO, UM, MR. AARY ON ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE, WE HAVE A SPEAKER, IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIR COMMISSION LEADS ON ANDREW.
UM, WE HAVE A SPEAKER AND SHE'LL PROVIDE HER REMARKS AT THIS TIME.
SO WE HAVE A SPEAKER WHO WILL PROVIDE REMARKS ON ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE AND OH, GO AHEAD.
AND THEN, UM, WE WILL KEEP IT ON CONSENT AGENDA.
MS. CHRISTINA VO, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE YOUR REMARKS, SO LIKE STAR SIX.
UM, HI, MY NAME'S IS GINA VODI WATTS.
UM, I WAS BASICALLY, I GUESS CALLING BECAUSE I, WE DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT SOME OF THE PROPOSED REZONING AND SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I KNOW, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD I'M IN, I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE WERE ALL PRETTY CONFIRMED.
SOME OF US WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS.
UM, DIDN'T NECESSARILY LIKE A LOT OF WHAT WE HEARD.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GENERALLY AGREED THAT IF THEY BUILD HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY SIMILAR IN NATURE TO WHAT'S HERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY WELCOME GETTING IN NEW NEIGHBORS AND HOMEOWNER.
UM, I GUESS OUR CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD THOSE VERY DENSE HOMES IN A VERY SMALL AREA.
IT LOOKS LIKE A LARGE AREA THAT THEY GET TO, TO BUILD IN.
UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THAT IS THE CREEK AND A LOT OF THAT IS FLOOD PLAIN.
AND SO THE ACTUAL AREA IN WHICH THEY CAN BUILD IS, IS A SMALL AREA.
AND OUR OTHER CONCERN IS IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S ALREADY CORRECTLY ZONED FOR WHAT THEY WANNA BUILD.
BUT IF OUR LITTLE AREA OF JOHN WOOD GETS REZONED, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GONNA CONNECT THAT TO THAT LARGER DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK THEY'RE PLANNING 10 TO 15 HOMES AND THAT REZONED AREA.
AND THEN I, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT MY NOTES, BUT I THINK, UM, POSSIBLY LIKE 30 TO 40 HOMES IN THE, THE AREA THAT WAS ALREADY ZONED.
SO, I MEAN, I'M KIND OF ASSUMING THERE'S GONNA BE AT LEAST 50 NEW NEIGHBORHOODS.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE ACCESS ON TO DEATH OFFER FOR THAT OTHER AREA THAT'S ALREADY CORRECTLY ZONED WON'T HAVE, I GUESS, FULL ACCESS TO DESA.
SO A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC IS GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, UH, TO TURN LEFT ON DESA.
AND THEN SOME TRAFFIC WILL ALSO JUST BE USING OUR SMALL LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS FOR ACCESS.
AND, UM, OUR STREETS REALLY AREN'T THAT LARGE.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONGESTION PROBLEM FOR SURE.
WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORS WHO PARK ON THE STREET.
UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF KIDS RIDING
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THEIR BIKES AND WALKING.UM, I, I DO KIND OF ALSO WONDER ABOUT JUST THE TURNING RADIUS FOR SOME OF THOSE LARGER LIKE FIRE TRUCKS OR AMBULANCES.
UH, CUZ IN THE LITTLE AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE REZONED, I MEAN IT, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE THERE.
UM, AND I GUESS ONE OF OUR OTHER CONCERNS WITH MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE NOT BUILDING THESE HOMES TO SELL TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE KIND OF LIKE AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY AND JUST RENT IT OUT.
AND THAT, THAT ALSO KIND OF SADDENED US.
CAUSE I THINK WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THERE'S AN AFFORDABILITY ISSUE AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO BUY HOMES.
AND I MEAN, I THINK IT'S KIND OF SAD IF WE'RE LETTING DEVELOPERS JUST BUILD INVESTMENT PROPERTIES TO HOLD ONTO AND NOT EVEN OFFERING THEM UP TO THE PUBLIC AND TO, TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A SMALLER, UM, HOME AS OPPOSED TO THIS A SMALLER TOWN HOME AS OPPOSED TO JUST LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
BUT, BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE.
SO THOSE WERE JUST SOME OF OUR CONCERNS.
AND ALSO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER GOT A MEETING NOTICE ABOUT THAT.
VERY ODDLY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
SO THAT, UH, ITEM FOUR AND FIVE, IS THAT RIGHT? WILL BE PULLED.
AND THIS IS, UH, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING TO THE, UH, THE LA LAST SPEAKER, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE PULLING THE, UH, ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, THERE'LL BE A CHANCE TO, UH, LISTEN AND, UM, SPEAK ABOUT IT.
CHAIR COMMISSION, LAY LIAISON, AND FOR THE, UH, SPEAKER, UM, SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO REMAIN ON THE LINE.
I'LL BE SENDING AN EMAIL ABOUT 15 MINUTES PRIOR TO TAKING UP THAT ITEM.
UM, NEXT, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT NEED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? NOPE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE PULLING FOUR AND FIVE.
AND SO LET'S GO THROUGH THOSE ITEMS AGAIN.
[Consent Agenda ]
SO WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.UM, THESE ARE THE ITEMS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 11TH.
UM, TWO PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, NPA 20 22 0 0 2, 6 0.21 GEORGIAN DRIVE, UH, STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH.
ITEM THREE IS A REZONING, UH, THE MERLE SINGLE FAMILY C 14 20 22 0 86.
UM, WHICH JUST AS A REMINDER, WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE Q AND A HAS ALREADY BEEN CONDUCTED.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH, UM, DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE.
UM, SO THESE NEXT TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE, THE PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 2, 8 0.02, JOHN WOODWAY, UM, AND FIVE, THE REZONING ON THAT ITEM ARE BOTH HAVE BEEN PULLED FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, SIX PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, NPA 20 19 0 0 1, 3 0.01 COPELAND SOUTH FOR CONSENT.
REZONING, UH, NUMBER SEVEN C 14, 20, 21 0 180 5, COPELAND SOUTH.
ALSO CONSENT REZONING NUMBER EIGHT C 14 20 21 0 82.
COPELAND CONSENT, UH, NUMBER NINE, REZONING C 14 20 22 0 81, FRANK SOUTH, UH, CONSENT.
AND THEN NUMBER 10 IS A REZONING C 14 20 22 76, 3100 GUADALUPE.
THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT.
AND, UM, THAT IS NOVEMBER 12TH AT 5:00 PM UM, CHAIR LADIES AND ANDREA, THAT'S ON NOVEMBER 15TH AT 5:00 PM OH, OKAY.
UM, THIS CONSENT SITE NUMBER 12, SITE PLAN EXTENSION S P 20 16 0 0 2 1 C, XTC ANONYMOUS, BR BREWERY.
UM, AND 13 PRELIMINARY PLAN C 8 20 21 0 1 5 2 PINNACLE AT WILD HORSE RANCH.
CONSENT 14 FINAL PLAT OUT OF AN APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN.
CJ 20 22 0 1, 77 0.1 A EASTON PARK CONSENT APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS FROM EXHIBIT C.
UM, NUMBER 15, CODE AMENDMENT HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS IS CONSENT.
16 CODE AMENDMENT RESIDENTIAL USE ON COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES.
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CODE AMENDMENT.ALL RIGHT, AND THAT IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
COMMISSIONER THOMPSON APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
OKAY, UH, SECOND IT BY COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER.
SO WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
CHAIR COMMISSION LEADS ON ANDREW, THAT'S TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL FOR APPLE POOL.
THAT INCLUDES CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ALL THOSE IN THE CHAMBERS.
[3. Rezoning: C14-2022-0086 - Merle Single Family; District 5 ]
SO WE WILL MOVE TO THE DISCUSSION CASES, UM, MYSELF IN ORDER HERE.SO WE WILL HAVE, UH, NUMBER THREE REZONING, UM, PRESENTATION FROM STAFF ON MERLE SINGLE FAMILY CHAIR COMMISSION, LAYNER.
SO WE'LL FIRST HEAR FROM SPEAKER APP, UH, THE APPLICANT FOR TWO MINUTES.
LAST LIGHT, RIGHT, LAST CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AFTER THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, UH, FOR THIS CASE, WE LOOKED AT THE IMPACTS OF COMPATIBILITY THAT'S TRIGGERED BY THE PROPERTY.
THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER ONE AFTER THAT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN GREEN.
UH, THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY ARE SHOWN AS COMPATIBILITY TRIGGERING PROPERTIES.
AND YOU SEE THERE'S ONE THAT'S ALREADY TO THE NORTH BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS, UH, BEING USED AS SINGLE FAMILY.
AND SO THE THE FINE DASH LINES, UH, SHOW THE GRADATION OF COMPATIBILITY EXTENDING AWAY FROM WHAT IS EXISTING.
UH, UH, THAT GIVES, EXCUSE ME, THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE NORTH.
AND WITH 44 0 7 MERLE BEING ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY, ALL OF THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFERS ARE ALREADY ABSORBED INSIDE OF THE EXISTING COMPATIBILITY BUFFER.
SO THERE'S NOT ANY ADDITIONAL COMPATIBILITY TRIGGERED ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM THE OPPOSITION, MS. WE, MS. WARE, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES.
AGAIN, MY NAME'S CATHERINE WEIR, AND I LIVE KITTY CORNER TO THE HOUSE IN QUESTION, PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
I LIVE AT 44 10 MERLE, I'M A BABY IN THE WOODS AT THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT UP CODE AND DOWN CODE AND THE COMPATIBILITY WAIVERS ARE.
I AM AN EXPERT IN SEEING LOT AFTER LOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, GOBBLED UP BY SPECULATORS WHO WANT TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN OFF OF EVERY ONE OF THOSE LOTS.
THIS IS NOT JUST A CRANKY OLD LADY ATTITUDE.
I HAD A YOUNG LADY FROM BRIGHTON, WHICH IS A LITTLE DEEPER IN SOUTHWOOD, STOPPED BY MY HOUSE RANDOMLY SATURDAY LOOKING FOR A KITTEN.
AND HER COMMENT WAS, SHE'S 20 SOMETHING GROWN UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SHE SAID, IT'S SO DISHEARTENING TO SEE LOT AFTER LOT HOUSE AFTER HOUSE TORN DOWN AND BIG UGLY THINGS BUILT THERE.
IT IS ALSO DISTURBING TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR DECADES, PAID TAXES FOR DECADES, VOTED FOR DECADES, PARTICIPATED IN AUSTIN CITY LIFE FOR DECADES, ARE EXPECTED TO JUST SIT AND WATCH THE DISSOLUTION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR DELIBERATION, BUT OKAY.
UM, SO WE HAVE HAD Q AND A ON THIS ALREADY, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, SO WE WANNA HAVE DISCUSSION, WE'LL NEED A, UM, A, A MOTION IN A SECOND.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
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THANK YOU.HEY, MR. THROWER, I THINK YOU'RE UP THERE.
I THINK LAST TIME WE TALKED AND STAFF, FEEL FREE TO THROW A BOOK AT ME IF I'M ASKING ANYTHING I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ASK.
BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD CHATTED ABOUT POTENTIALLY SOME KIND OF, UM, I THINK YOU WERE GONNA CHECK IN WITH YOUR CLIENT TO SEE IF YOUR CLIENT WAS WILLING TO NOT HAVE THE NEW ZONING OF YOUR PROPERTY TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY, BECAUSE TODAY IT DOESN'T.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD, IF THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF YOURS, UM, IF THAT SINGLE FAMILY USE WAS TO GO AWAY TOMORROW, WHICH IT COULD, IT COULD BE AN OFFICE AGAIN TOMORROW, AND THEREFORE YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD THEN TRIGGER NEW, NEW AMOUNTS OF COMPATIBILITY TO YOUR NORTH.
SO WHERE DID THAT CONVERSATION GO, MR. THROW? BEFORE, BEFORE YOU ANSWER, UM, WE HAD ALREADY HAD Q AND A AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING, AND SO FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION.
IS THAT CORRECT? MR. AND MR. RIVER CHAIR COMMISSION, LADIES, ON AN, UM, SO IF YOU WISH TO MODIFY RULES, UM, IF YOU JUST WANT TO PROVIDE, UH, THE, UM, THE STIPULATIONS OF HOW MANY QUESTIONS AND HOW MANY COMMISSIONERS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, UH, COMMISSION IS WILLING TO DO SO.
COMMISS THOMPSON, I, I'LL MOVE THAT WE ALLOW THREE MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU NEED A VOTE?
SORRY, SECOND IT BY COMMISSIONER ISAR, UH, VOTE IN THE CHAMBERS.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE Q AND A FOR THREE QUESTIONS, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AT THREE MINUTES EACH.
UH, THANK YOU, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IN REGARDS TO THAT, I THINK THERE'S A LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IS CUZ TO NOT, NOT OPPOSE COMPATIBILITY.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW IS THAT ENFORCED? IS IT A RESTRICTED COVENANT? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRIVATE RESTRICTED COVENANT.
WHO'S GONNA BE THE OTHER PARTY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? UH, WOULD IT BE JUST THAT ONE LANDOWNER THAT'S TO THE NORTH? WOULD IT BE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? WOULD IT BE THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES? AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST A, IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE THAT WE'VE NOT EVER ADDRESSED, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REZONING OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON A SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE, UH, COMPATIBILITY BEING TRIGGERED ON.
SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT OUR CLIENT IS UNWILLING TO DO IT, IT'S JUST WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT THE LOGISTICS TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND, AND CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION OF STAFF? UM, SO WE HEAR THAT WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE WHO WANTS A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY SEEM EXCITED ABOUT TRIGGERING COMPATIBILITY IN THE FUTURE.
IS THERE AN EASY OPTION FOR ANYBODY IN AUSTIN TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M WANTING TO DO.
UH, THIS IS WENDY ROSE WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND, UH, THAT COULD BE DONE BY, IF, I MEAN, IF, IF COMPATIBILITY WAS TRIGGERED IN THE FUTURE, THE, UH, THE OWNER OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT COULD SUBMIT CORRESPONDENCE, UM, STATING THAT THEY DON'T OBJECT TO A WAIVER OF COMPATIBILITY, AND THEN IT WOULD STILL TAKE THE PROCESS OF A COMMISSION OR A BOARD TO THEN GRANT THAT VARIANCE FROM COMPATIBILITY.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME TOBS IN, IN AUSTIN.
I KNOW THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT, THEY'RE ALL HODGEPODGE.
IT'S HALF OUR PROBLEM IN THE CITY, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S SOME THAT YOU CAN GET 66% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SIGN A LETTER WAIVING IT, AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S DONE WITH IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY REQUIRE ANYBODY ELSE AT THE CITY TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN VERIFY THAT, THAT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE THE ONES THAT SIGNED THAT LETTER.
IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT OUTSIDE OF THOSE TODS? I'M, I, I'M SORRY.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THAT PROCESS.
I GUESS I JUST FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL THE CONSULTANTS WERE HERE FROM ALL OVER THE AMERICA LOOKING AT OUR VERY OUTDATED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THEY PRETTY MUCH ALL COMMENTED ON THE FACT THAT COMPATIBILITY COSTS US MORE HOMES THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S JUST PRETTY INTERESTING THAT THERE'S NOT AN EASY MECHANISM FOR FOLKS WHO WILLINGLY WANT TO NOT TRIGGER IT TO BE ABLE TO DO SO.
UM, I GUESS THAT'S JUST A GOOD CONVERSATION FOR US TO CONTINUE THINKING THROUGH IN OUR HEADS AS WE'RE ABOUT TO LOOK AT COMPATIBILITY IN A FEW WEEKS.
UH, ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? WE HAVE TWO MORE SLOTS OPEN.
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GIANNIS POLITO.AND, UM, I'LL APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE SINCE I, UH, WAS NOT PRESENT THE LAST MEETING.
BUT, UM, I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THESE UNITS.
THIS AREA IS GONNA BE SUBJECT TO THE MCMANSION ORDINANCE, SO IT'S GONNA BE LIMITED TO 0.4 TO ONE A.
UM, THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE UNITS, I MEAN THE ADU IS GONNA BE LIMITED 1100 SQUARE FEET AND THE, THE BALANCE OF THE ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE COULD BE PUT INTO THE PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE AND THE, THE SIZE, I DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IF YOU WANT EXACT NUMBERS, WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
AND UM, AND HOW MANY UNITS TOTAL? I'M SORRY.
THERE WOULD ONLY BE TWO UNITS ALLOWED.
THE PRINCIPAL AND THE ADU? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UM, WE WOULD NEED TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I, I'LL, UM, MOVE TO, UH, RECOMMEND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR STAFF'S, UM, BUT ALSO TO, CAN I DO THIS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT COME WITH A A, UM, PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE CO COVENANT TO COUNSEL? NO.
I'LL RECOMMEND STEPH'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE HAVE A, A MOTION ON THE TABLE FROM COMMISSIONER THOMPSON WITH A SECOND BY, UH, COMMISSIONER COX.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? I, I, I AM, YOU KNOW, DISTURBED THAT IN, IN A TIME OF SORT OF A, A HOUSING CRISIS, WE'RE KIND OF DOWN ZONING THIS TO, YOU KNOW, ZONE IT BASICALLY AS A LUXURY ONE PLACE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO AN ADU I GUESS.
UM, AND, AND I WISH WE HAD BETTER TOOLS AND BETTER OPTIONS.
IT, YOU KNOW, MY GUESS IS THAT IF IT WERE EASY TO BUILD A FOURPLEX, THE THE OWNER WOULD BUILD A FOURPLEX THERE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE TROUBLE, UH, OF A SITE PLAN AND, AND THE COMPLEXITY THERE.
UM, AND TO BE LIMITED BY COMPATIBILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ONLY SORT OF PROFITABLE OPTION FOR THEM IS TO BUILD A, A MANSION.
UM, AND, AND I'M SORT OF DISAPPOINTED WITH THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S A HOUSING CRISIS
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS SPEAKING AGAINST ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR? ALL RIGHT.
ARE Y'ALL, I'M INITIALLY, I'M OKAY.
I'LL SPEAK NEUTRALLY IF I CAN JUST REALLY QUICK.
UM, I'LL ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND JUST SAY THAT I, WHILE I AM INTERESTED IN SEEING ADDITIONAL TOOLS, UM, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE MARKET FORCES HERE AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, THERE IS A DEMAND FOR THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT'S NOT MY, IT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NECESSARILY, UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN IN MIND AS WELL IS THE MARKET DEMAND.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANNA SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY SPEAK FOR GO AHEAD COMMISSION.
I UNDERSTAND MAYBE, UM, I, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER CARMEN JANNIS BELIEVES JUST SHARED.
AND THAT IS JUST THE, THE MARKET FORCES AND WHAT THE MARKET'S TRYING TO BUILD AND WHAT PEOPLE IN AUSTIN WANT.
AND THEN EXTREME LIMITATIONS OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR WHAT MOST OF THE MARKET WANTS RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE ALLOW FOR ONE AND TWO HOMES TO TAKE OVER THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS CITY AND WE LIMIT IT TO THE HIGHEST OF INCOME EARNERS THAT CAN AFFORD THAT TYPE OF HOUSING.
AND WE DON'T OPEN UP THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO MIDDLE MIS, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE INCOME EARNERS WHO CAN PULL THEIR RESOURCE TOGETHER AND FOUR THEM OR SIX OF THEM CAN ALSO BUY INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUILD A FOURPLEX OR A SIXPLEX.
OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS MAKING POSITIVELY SURE THAT WE ARE GONNA DISPLACE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS CITY AND IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO DO SO.
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IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLY DEVASTATING.UM, YEAH, I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW, MY DAYTIME IS WITH AUSTIN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
WE RECEIVED ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL LETTERS I'VE EVER READ MY ENTIRE LIFE THIS WEEK, AND IT JUST TALKED ABOUT THE UNBELIEVABLE HEARTACHE THAT THIS FAMILY HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS.
AND SHE HAS CHILDREN AND THEY'VE HAD TO MOVE AND THEY'VE HAD TO MOVE AND THEY'VE HAD TO MOVE AND THEY'VE HAD TO MOVE AND THEY'VE HAD TO LIVE WITH MULTIPLE FAMILIES BREAKING OUR OCCUPANCY LIMITS.
BUT THEY DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO, TO SURVIVE AND WE MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO JUST LIVE HERE AFFORDABLY.
AND MY HOPE IS ONE DAY WE ARE LESS AFRAID OF BIGGER AND TOLER BUILDINGS THAN WE ARE OF UNAFFORDABILITY AND DISPLACEMENT.
UM, WE STILL HAVE SOME, UH, SLOTS FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST.
UM, SHALL WE TAKE A VOTE THEN? ALL RIGHT.
THE MOTION AGAIN ON THE TABLE IS, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION FROM COMMISSIONER THOMPSON AND SECOND IT BY COMMISSIONER COX.
SO WE'VE GOT FOUR THOMPSON PLEASE,
YEAH, SO THAT IS PASSES 9 0 1.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS ON THIS CASE, AS IN AS INFORMATION IS SCHEDULED FOR THE 3RD OF NOVEMBER AT CITY COUNCIL.
ALL RIGHT, WE SHALL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT DISCUSSION CASE.
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WE NOW HAVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, IS THAT CORRECT? DOUBLE YES.FOUR AND FIVE, I BELIEVE WE'RE CONSIDERING THOSE TOGETHER.
SO WE HAVE STAFF PRESENTATION RE MEREDITH HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER FI FOUR IS PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 2 8 0.02, JOHN WOOD, 33 DEGREES.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT TEN SIX HUNDRED JOHN WOODWAY WITHIN THE HERITAGE HILLS WINDSOR HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING AREA.
THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO HIGHER DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE.
WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF RECOMMEND.
WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM THE HERITAGE HILLS, WINDSOR HILLS PLANNING CONTACT TEAM.
IT DID NOT STATE A RECOMMENDATION.
IT DID LIST, UH, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS LATE BACKUP.
HEATHER CHAFFIN HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH THE RELATED REZONING, WHICH IS C 14 20 20 2085, LOCATED AT TEN SIX HUNDRED JOHN WOOD WAY.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM SF TWO N P TO SF SIX N P.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A HALF ACRES.
THE PROPERTY IS SIGNIFICANTLY CONSTRAINED BY, UH, CREEK BUFFER WATER QUALITY TRANSITION ZONE AND ALSO VEGETATION.
UH, THE SOUTHWEST PROPERTY LINE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE CENTER LINE OF A SEGMENT OF WALNUT CREEK.
AND THEN IN THE AERIAL EXHIBIT, YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH OF THE SITE IS, UH, CONSUMED BY THE CREEK BUFFER.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE TERMINUS OF JOHN WOODWAY AND HAS NO OTHER STREET FRONTAGE, BUT THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST THAT FRONT'S DESSA ROAD IS UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP AND APPLICANT HAS STATED THEIR INTENT TO DEVELOP IT AS ONE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE SURROUNDING AREA TO THE NORTH IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA, NEIGHBORHOOD WITH P U D N P AND SF TWO N P ZONING.
MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST ARE ALSO SF TWO N P AND DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES FURTHER SOUTH.
OUR PROPERTIES ZONED SF THREE NP AND SF SIX C O N P DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, EAST OF THE PROPERTY IS THE OTHER TRACT OWNED BY, UH, THE SAME OWNER.
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C O N P AND IS UNDEVELOPED CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS ON THAT PROPERTY.WERE ESTABLISHED IN 2003 AND LIMITED RESIDENTIAL AND DAYCARE LAND USES.
FURTHER EAST ACROSS DESAW ROAD ARE SF TWO, SF ONE AND SF SIX CO N P UH, PROPERTIES WITH A MIX OF DEVELOPED AND UNDEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THERE'S CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AND IT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY IN LATE BACKUP STAFF SUPPORTS THE REZONING REQUEST.
SF SIX N P PARTICULARLY ENCOURAGES CLUSTERED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS SITE WITH THE CREEK BUFFERS IS, IS VERY LIMITED AND PARTICULARLY UNDER SF TWO NP, THE, UH, SF SIX NP DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS, UH, AT AS SF TWO.
AND, UH, IF IT'S COMBINED WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE FURTHER ABLE TO MAKE A COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT, UH, ON THIS CONSTRAINED SITE.
UH, THIS REFLECTS THE PROPOSED REZONING WOULD ADD TOWNHOUSE CONDOMINIUM RESIDENTIAL IN AN AREA THAT'S PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT REFLECTS GIVING A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS, HOUSING TYPES REFLECTED FROM THE AUSTIN HOUSING BLUEPRINT.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
I HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, MS. AMANDA BROWN.
MS. BROWN, YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
DO I HAVE A CLICKER? YOU'LL JUST STATE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
OKAY, GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I'M HERE IN, UH, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT A REZONING AND A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT AT THOUSAND SIX.
UH, THIS IS A LOCATION MAP THAT GENERALLY JUST ORIENTS YOU AS TO WHERE WE ARE.
UM, EAST OF 35, YOU CAN SEE, UM, SAMSUNG OVER THERE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE EAST AS WELL.
THIS IS A ZEROED IN LOCATION OF THE MAP.
YOU CAN SEE JOHN WOOD WAY STUBS INTO OUR PROPERTY, UM, AND THEN DECAL THERE TO, UM, THE EAST.
THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD AMENDMENT IS GOING FROM SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS THE CURRENT, UM, FROM DESIGNATION TO HIGHER DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP.
SO, UM, OURS IS CURRENTLY ZONED SF TWO AND THERE TO THE EAST YOU CAN SEE SF SIX C O N P.
SO MY CLIENT OWNS BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES.
THE INTENT IS TO DEVELOP A MORE COHESIVE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL TAKE PRIMARY ACCESS FROM DAAL.
WE, UM, OUR PREFERENCE IS TO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO JOHN WOODWAY, UM, AND HAVE IT AS EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.
ATD WAS UNABLE TO SUPPORT THAT AT THIS TIME, BUT THAT MAY BE WORKED OUT LATER WITH THE SITE PLAN AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UM, THE, UH, CO OF THE SF SIX ALSO LIMITS THE SITE TO 30 DWELLING UNITS TOTAL AND FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, COMPATIBILITY IS TRIGGERED FROM ALL OF THE SF TWO PROPERTIES.
SO THERE WILL BE, UM, PLENTY OF BUFFERING.
UH, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IS 55%, HEIGHT IS 35 FEET.
THAT IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE SF TWO AS WELL.
SO WE EXPECT THEM TO BE VERY COMPATIBLE.
THIS IS A HEAVILY CONSTRAINED SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE AND THE ASSOCIATED BUFFER OUTLINED IN THERE.
UH, ON THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU, THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED IN EITHER THE CREEK OR THE BUFFER.
SO, UM, THREE-FOURTHS OF THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPABLE.
I THINK THERE'S MAYBE AN ACRE AND A HALF THAT'S AVAILABLE.
UM, THERE ARE HERITAGE TREES ON THE SITE, THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.
WE EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO PUT AROUND NINE TO MAYBE 11 UNITS ON THIS SITE.
SO WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS HERE.
I THINK WE'VE HAD AROUND SIX MEETINGS WITH VARIOUS PARTIES, UH, THAT ARE INTERESTED IN, IN THIS.
THERE IS, UM, IN THAT CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.
THE PREVIOUS OWNER, HIS NAME IS DR.
ROCK, HAS ALLOWED THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH TO USE HIS LAND IN THAT CREEK AREA, ESSENTIALLY AS A PARK.
UM, A VERY PASSIVE PARK, NATURAL, UM, UNAPPROVED.
UH, AND THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC ACCESS TO THAT.
UM, OUR CLIENT WAS FINE WITH THAT.
SO OUR SOLUTION WAS TO ASK PARD IF WE COULD PUT IT IN, UM, AS PARKLAND DEDICATION.
UH, REALLY JUST TO SORT OF FORMALIZE PUBLIC ACCESS.
UH, WE WORKED WITH PARD AND THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IDEA.
SO AS WE MOVE TO THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA BE KIND OF FORMALIZING THAT AS WELL.
BUT AS IT'S CURRENTLY PLANNED AND CONTEMPLATED, THERE'S NO, NO IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA BE MADE NO
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TRAILS.UM, IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO BE LEFT COMPLETELY NATURAL, WHICH WAS THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING.
UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
NOW ON THE TELECONFERENCE, UH, WE STILL HAVE, UH, MR. HAN.
MR. HAN, YOU'LL HAVE, UM, THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE YOUR REMARKS IF YOU SELECT STAR SIX, I'M SORRY, WHO WERE YOU SPEAKING WITH OR TWO? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT WAS ME.
UM, I GUESS GENERALLY MY REMARKS WOULD BE THAT, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A MEETING REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK NUMEROUS CONCERNS AND ISSUES WERE BROUGHT UP, SOME OF WHICH WERE CONCERNED FOR THE, THE NEW POTENTIAL RESIDENTS THERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE CREEK AND THE FLOOD AREA AND THE LIMITED BUILDING CONSTRAINTS.
ANOTHER BIG ISSUE THAT WE HAD WAS JUST THE INCREASED TRAFFIC.
UM, I BELIEVE IS MISS I, I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH HER NAME.
AMANDA BROWN, I BELIEVE, INDICATED THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO JOHN WOOD.
THAT WAS STATED AT ONE POINT DURING THE MEETINGS THAT I ATTENDED.
HOWEVER, WHAT WAS ALSO STATED WAS THAT THEY DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE GRANTED.
AND SO THAT THEY BELIEVED THAT ALL THAT EXCESS TRAFFIC DUE TO LIMITED ACCESS TO DECAL WOULD THEN HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE CLAY WOOD COLLINWOOD, UM, ROADS AND, AND INCREASE THE TRAFFIC THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY REQUIREMENT TO DO SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IF THERE'S BEEN ANY KIND OF REQUIREMENT TO LOOK AT, UM, THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
BUT AS I INDICATED, OUR ROADS ARE FAIRLY NARROW.
UH, PEOPLE PARK IN THE STREET ALL THE TIME.
IF YOU TURN ONTO CLAY WOOD FROM COLLINWOOD, THERE ARE REGULARLY TWO CARS THERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE PARKED RIGHT ON THE CORNER.
AND HONESTLY, THE, THE THOUGHT OF THE INCREASED TRAFFIC IS KIND OF A CONCERN.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T HEAR MS. BROWN SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT THESE UNITS WERE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO PURCHASE, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS AT LEAST MORE AMENABLE TO KIND OF THE CHANGE IN ZONING WHEN I THOUGHT THAT THESE MIGHT BE MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES FOR PEOPLE TO PURCHASE.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF AUSTIN TO PURCHASE THAT.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE RENTAL UNITS, UM, HELD FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSES.
AND I MEAN, I THINK THAT MADE ALL OF US KIND OF SAD JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE KNOW THERE'S AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT'S NECESSARILY HELPING.
BUT, UM, I KNOW OUR GENERAL CONCERNS ARE JUST KIND OF INCREASED TRAFFIC AND WONDERING IF THERE'S BEEN ANY ATTENTION PAID TO WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE TO THESE SMALL, THESE SMALL STREET ON CLAY WOOD, AMBLE WOOD, JOHN WOOD, UM, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED FOR A LOT OF CARS.
UM, AND THEN KIND OF CONCERN FOR WHAT WOULD BE BUILT THERE AND IT'S IMPACT ON FLOODING.
UM, EVEN JUST FOR THE HOUSES THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT THERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS, UM, CONCERNS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OF THOSE EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO GET TO THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE SMALL STREETS.
UM, AND THEN YEAH, LIKE I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT THIS, BUT THE FACT THAT THESE AREN'T UNITS THAT ARE BEING PLANNED TO MY KNOWLEDGE FOR SALE, UM, TO KIND OF HELP PEOPLE TO START BUILDING WEALTH AND TO KIND OF REMAIN IN THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY, UM, AS ACTUAL HOMEOWNERS AND HAVING A PART IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY SADDENED US.
UM, THE PARK DEDICATION WAS BROUGHT UP.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WAS PARK DEDICATION BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE THEY COULD DO WITH IT.
UM, SO THAT THEY INDICATED THEY WERE BASICALLY JUST GONNA LET IT BE AS IT WAS, WHICH I MEAN OKAY
THAT'S, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I BENEFIT YES, THE FINAL, IF YOU HAVE ANY FINAL REMARKS JUST TO WRAP IT UP, PLEASE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE WOULD JUST APPRECIATE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UM, AND KIND OF MORE CONSIDERATION OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I RAISED.
I'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FOR A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL.
UM, JUST A, A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A, AN ATTACHED TOWN HOME, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE FOR RENT WITH ONSITE AMENITIES.
UM, WE HOPE TO REALLY ALSO TAKE ADVANTAGE AND BEAUTIFY THE PARK AREA AS WELL FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO USE.
UM, IT'LL BE PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED BY A COMPANY.
UM, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING CRISIS IS VERY COMPLICATED AND WE DO NEED MORE HOMES FOR PEOPLE TO BE,
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BE ABLE TO PURCHASE, BUT THIS IS ALSO A PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE AS WELL.AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF HOUSING DIVERSITY FOR THIS AREA.
UM, WE WILL NOT BE TRIGGERING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, BUT UM, THAT THAT'LL BE FURTHER DETERMINED AT THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS.
UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SO LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU CHAIR THAT CAN TOWARDS THE SPEAKERS ON THIS, ON HIM.
SO WE HAVE, UM, MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BY COMMISSIONER SHAY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER ON THE DIAS.
SO WE'VE GOT, UH, NINE ZERO WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER MUSH TALLER OFF OF THE DICE.
ANY COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED THE IDEA OF BEAUTIFYING THE PARKLAND AND YOU SAID FOR USE BY YOUR RESIDENTS.
WOULD THIS PARKLAND BE AVAILABLE TO ALL OR ARE YOU THINKING OF LIKE THIS BEING A GATED COMMUNITY WITH THE PROPERTY NOT ACCESSIBLE BY THE PUBLIC? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.
SO, UM, THE PARKLAND DEDICATION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WHEN WE COME IN FOR THE SITE PLAN, IT'LL EITHER BE DEDICATED BY DEED TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR THEM TO OWN AND MAINTAIN, UM, OR A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT WILL BE ENCUMBERING THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO FORMALIZE THE PUBLIC'S ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT.
FURTHERMORE, WE, WHILE WE MAY HAVE SOME COMPONENT OF A GATED COMMUNITY, WE CAN'T PUT A GATE IN THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE AND THAT THAT EASEMENT WOULD ALSO PRECLUDE US FROM BEING ABLE TO GATE THE PARK AT ALL.
BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS JOHN WOODWAY DEAD ENDS.
IT DOES HAVE SIDEWALKS ON IT THAT CONNECT UP TO THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT IS, IS IT EXPECTED THAT THAT SIDEWALK WILL CONNECT TO THIS DEDICATED PARKLAND SOMEHOW? YES.
SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE EASY ACCESS TO IT? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
IS THAT AT, AT SOMEWHERE TO THE NORTH WILL HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF ACCESS EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET DOWN TO THE PARK.
AND JUST SO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE, THE MAP THAT YOU SHOWED THAT SHOWED THE, THE BUFFER I LOOKED UP, THE FLOOD PLAIN MAPS, FLOOD PLAINS, NOT AN ISSUE ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, BUT JUST THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE PIECE THAT YOU HAVE LEFT, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT THIS TOWN HOME COMMUNITY, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THIS, UM, EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO ACCESS JOHN WOODWAY, BUT HOW, WHAT, WHAT OTHER ACCESS WOULD YOU HAVE TO THE PROPERTY IF YOU DIDN'T GO FROM JOHN WOODWAY? SURE.
SO THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF OURS THAT IS ZONED S F SIX CO N P, UM, IS, IS OUR CLIENT ALSO OWNS IT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE ONE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S JUST ALREADY ZONED SF SIX.
SO WE'RE REZONING THIS ONE TO MATCH THE ADJACENT SITE.
AND SO THROUGH THAT SITE WE'LL BE TAKING ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM DAAL, WHICH WILL BE OUR PRIMARY ACCESS POINT.
OH, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF A MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PART OF THAT PROPERTY TO THE EAST, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ARE YOU ALSO GONNA TIE UP TO THE DEAD END AT CLAY WOOD DRIVE AND THEN HAVE A WAY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO GET TO DESAL ROAD? UH, THAT'LL HAVE TO BE FIGURED OUT WITH THE SITE PLAN.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK AS OF YET.
THAT'LL BE ENTIRELY UP TO THE AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, SO IN LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND WITH THE SF SIX, TYPICALLY THE SS SIX IS CLOSER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I MEAN, IF IT WAS JUST ONE SIDE, IT'S LIKE, IT'S COMPLETELY AT THE KIND OF, AT THE BACK END.
SO IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE THAT ADJACENT SITE, WHICH YOU HAVE.
AND I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE IDEA OF PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER.
UM, AND I CAN SEE THIS WHOLE THING WORKING BEAUTIFULLY, YOU KNOW, TAKING ACCESS FROM DESKS OUT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ADDITIONAL RESIDUAL ACCESS, LIKE EMERGENCY ACCESS FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT, UM, MY CONCERN HERE IS HOW DO WE MEMORIALIZE THIS GOING FORWARD? BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE WHERE, UM, THERE COULD BE AN AGREEMENT THAT THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THE ACCESS AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, FROM ONE SIDE AND EMERGENCY ACCESS, UM, FROM ONE SIDE AS YOU KNOW, UNLESS OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY REQUIRES, THEN YOU'LL DO WHATEVER FINAL MINIMUM STANDARD IS.
BUT, UM, IF THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY
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TO HAVE SOME AGREEMENT IN PLACE, JUST, JUST JUST SO WE KNOW, CUZ MY CONCERN IS IF THEY SAY NO ALL ACCESS FROM ONE SIDE, THEN THE WHOLE SF SIX CONCEPT FALLS APART.SO SOME WAY TO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN INTACT.
SO AS WE MOVE INTO COUNCIL AND, UH, I MEAN THEY MIGHT EVEN REQUEST SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'D BE A GREAT WAY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN MEMORIALIZE IN THERE AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN JUST A LIST OF THINGS LIKE WITH THE COMMITMENT OF THE PARKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? MM-HMM.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER SHAY, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING MEMORIALIZING THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY ONTO JOHN WOODWAY? WELL, AT LEAST THE INTENT UNLESS THE CITY'S REQUIRING IT.
SO YOU STILL HAVE A WAY, IF THE CITY SAYS NO, WE NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL, THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL YOU GOTTA DO IT, RIGHT? SURE, SURE.
I MEAN, OTHERWISE IT'LL KILL YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, CUZ I THINK YOU COULD TAKE SOME ACCESS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BLOW APART THE, THE IDEA OF HOW AN SS SIX IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN A COMMUNITY AND SUCH.
SO IN MY EXPERIENCE, THERE HAS, I HAVE SEEN WHERE YOU CAN DO A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT LIMITS ACCESS TO A CERTAIN ROAD ROADWAY TO EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.
AND WE, WE ARE FINE WITH THAT.
UH, WE DID ASK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY COULD NOT RECOMMEND SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THIS TIME.
UM, BUT, BUT WE ARE FINE WITH THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE LEAD ACCESS FROM DECAL, UM MM-HMM.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO PROPOSE AS A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, YOU MIGHT WANNA CHECK WITH THE EXPERT, HEATHER.
UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
AS FAR AS THE PARK, UM, SO THERE ARE MECHANISMS IN PLACE AT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WHERE YOU CAN GET AN EARLY DETERMINATION LETTER PUT IN PLACE PRIOR TO ACTUALLY FILING A SITE PLAN, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THAT AND, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DETAILS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT VERSUS WHETHER WE MAINTAIN IT, THEY MAINTAIN IT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE WERE UNABLE TO GET A VERY SPECIFIC EARLY DETERMINATION LETTER, BUT, UM, THOMAS RAWLINSON DID SEND US, UM, AN EMAIL CONFIRMING THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH THIS PARKLAND PROPOSITION MM-HMM.
UM, HE ACTUALLY WENT OUT ON SITE WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL, UM, AND UNDERSTANDS THEIR CONCERNS VERY CLEARLY.
SO WE DO HAVE EMAIL DOCUMENTATION OKAY.
SO IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF OTHER, BUT IT IS, SO IT IS CONSIDERED A PARK DEFICIENT AREA THEN? UH, YES.
SO YEAH, I KIND OF KNOW WHAT PARKLAND'S GONNA GO WITH THAT THEN.
I'M TRYING TO THINK IF I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT.
I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? MUSH TALLER, I GUESS, UM, I, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS, I, IS THERE A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY ON YOUR ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT I THIS TO THE APPLICANT? SORRY.
THERE IS A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT LIMITS THE, THAT PARTICULAR SITE TO 30 UNITS.
UM, A LITTLE OVER FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A USE RESTRICTION FOR DAYCARES.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS I HAVE A, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, SPEAKER IS STILL AVAILABLE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HER.
DO WE KNOW MR. RIVERA, UH, CHAIR COMMISSION LIAISON ANDREW RIVERA? YES.
THE, THE, UM, I'M, I'VE GOT MY KIDS SO I MUTE MYSELF AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, UH, IN GENERAL, I KNOW THAT AF D TENDS TO BE AGAINST EMERGENCY ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE NOT REGULAR TRAVELED ROUTES FOR INTERCONNECT ABILITY.
UM, AND I, I TEND TO STAND WITH THAT.
I WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANY NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST SENTIMENT OR COMMENTARY ON HAVING A ROADWAY.
IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WERE TWO ROADWAYS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD ACCESS THIS PROPERTY IF WE GIVE THEM CONTIGUOUS SF SIX.
SO I WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANY CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT HAVING THE CONNECTABILITY THAT WOULD GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANOTHER POINT FOR EMERGENCY TO GET OUT ONTO DESSA AND FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO GET IN, UH, PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW DENSER DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
I THINK OUR GENERAL CONCERN WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE ACCESS.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS ALSO THAT THE KIND OF LIKE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY WAS NOT, UH, FAVORABLY LOOKED UPON.
UM, AND SO SOME OF OUR CONCERNS WERE JUST WHAT I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT WE'RE THINKING THE ACCESS TO DEATH
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A IS GONNA BE HELPFUL.UM, I THINK WE STILL KIND OF ANTICIPATE THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEIR ACCESS TO DESSA IS NOT GONNA BE LIKE FULL ACCESS TO DESSA.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GETTING A CURB CUT SO THAT THEY CAN TURN LEFT.
UM, AND, AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO SPEAK WITH MS. BROWN TO GET BETTER INFORMATION ABOUT JUST WHAT SORT OF ACCESS THEY'RE GETTING ON DESSA.
BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THAT A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC TO TURN LEFT ON DESSA, I GUESS TO GO NORTH WOULD BE MORE USEFUL, BUT TO TURN NORTH ON DESSA THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH OUR STREETS.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD SOME CONCERN THAT IF THERE WAS EMERGENCY ACCESS THAT NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE, SOME OF THAT MIGHT ALSO NEED TO TAKE PLACE USING COLLINWOOD AND CLAY WOOD AND SOME OF OUR SMALLER STREETS.
AND, AND I THINK NOW, UM, THOSE VEHICLES CAN KIND OF GO TO THEIR DEAD END AND THEN JUST KIND OF USE THOSE DEAD ENDS TO MANEUVER PRETTY EASILY.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S DEVELOPMENT THERE, WE'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW ACCESSIBLE THOSE PLACES ARE GOING TO BE.
UM, SO YES, WE, THE AFD WEIGH IN ON THAT WHEN THEY GET TO SITE PLAN AND STUFF, SO.
UM, AND UM, MS. BROWN, IS THAT, IS THAT TRUE? ARE WE LIMITED ON THE CURB CUT TO DESSA FOR YOUR INGRESS AND EGRESS YOUR MAIN INGRESS AND EGRESS? UH, YES.
WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA GO, BUT THERE IS THE CREEK A PART OF THE PROPERTIES OVER A BRIDGE.
UM, AND THERE ARE MEDIANS ALSO ON DECAL THAT WILL LIMIT WHERE THE CREW CUTS CAN GO.
IS IT GOING, DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S LIMITED TO ONE DIRECTION? I BELIEVE IT'LL BE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT ONLY DUE TO A MEDIAN.
DEPENDING ON EXACTLY WHERE IT GOES.
COMMISSIONER AZAR, MR. H AND I SAW IT FELT LIKE YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ON THE ISSUE OF, UH, IN YOUR SECRETS.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.
YES, WE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, ATD AND ALTHOUGH IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW PROJECTS WHERE A SITE WAS LIMITED, UH, TO EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS, UH, THIS FOR BY, FIRST OF ALL BY FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, IT'S, WE WOULD JUST FEEL THAT IT'S PREMATURE AT THIS TIME TO, UH, LABEL WHERE ACCESS IS WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY.
YOU MENTIONED THAT THESE WERE, SORRY, I CAN'T SEE ACTUALLY CLOSE BY.
SORRY, THE CAMERA IS NOT QUITE, UH, KEEPING UP, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SEE.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THESE ARE RENTAL UNITS.
UM, AND CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU QUICKLY JUST SAY HOW MANY AND THE SIZE OF THESE UNITS, EVEN IF THERE'S A RANGE? SURE.
YEAH, IT'LL BE A DETACHED TOWN HOME TYPE DEVELOPMENT, FOUR TO FIVE ATTACHED UNITS.
UM, WE ARE EXPECTING THIS SITE TO PROBABLY HAVE BETWEEN NINE AND 12, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT RANGE.
UM, AND THEN THE ADJACENT SITE IS LIMITED TO 30, SO WE WOULD JUST ASSUME AROUND PROBABLY 40 TOTAL.
UM, AS OF NOW, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, ARE, ARE GONNA BE, BUT GENERALLY THEY RANGE BETWEEN UM, 1300 TO LIKE 2100, 1300 TO 2100 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE, UM, OF THOSE, UM, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THE, THE RENT LIKE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT OF THE RENTS FOR THOSE? NO, UNFORTUNATELY NOT YET.
THEY WILL BE MARKET RENT, UM, UH, MARKET RATE, EXCUSE ME.
UM, BUT THAT'S JUST SO HARD TO TELL ON THE TIMES MARKET.
UM, BUT AT WHEN THEY COME ONLINE IT WILL BE MARKET.
UM, A COUPLE MORE THINGS ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THESE IS WHILE THEY ARE ATTACHED, THEY WILL EACH HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, INDIVIDUAL GARAGES.
THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS TO, THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT.
EACH WILL HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL YARD, BACKYARD AS WELL, ALL MAINTAINED, UM, BY THE OWNER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'VE GOT THREE MORE SLOTS.
ONE, UM, APPLICANT, IF YOU'RE STILL THERE, HOPEFULLY YOU ARE.
UM, AND, AND SORRY IF YOU ALREADY REPEATED THIS, SO THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.
YOU'LL HAVE ROUGHLY 40 HOMES TOTAL IF YOU WERE NOT TO GET THESE ZONING CHANGES.
DO YOU HAVE A BALLPARK OF WHAT COULD BE BUILT HERE? UNDERSTANDING, YOU PROBABLY WALK AWAY FROM THE DEAL AND IT WOULD JUST SIT UNDEVELOPED, BUT SURE.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE BUILT HERE ON THE CURRENT ZONING? SURE.
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WELL IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED SF TWO, SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SUBDIVIDED TO ACCOMMODATE PROBABLY THREE, MAYBE FOUR HOMES LARGER, OF COURSE.AND, YOU KNOW, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE FOR SALE.
AND THAT WAS THREE TO FOUR TOTAL.
UM, ON THE SF TWO SITE, NOT THE ENTIRE SITE, NOT, NOT THE ADJACENT SF SIX SITE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, GOOD.
YEAH, COMMISSIONER, SHE, YEAH.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? A SECOND.
WE DO A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER COX.
SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COX SO WE CAN HAVE, UH, DISCUSSION.
SO COMMISSIONER SHAY, DO YOU HAVE A, I THINK, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SF SIX IS, IS REALLY A WONDERFUL TOOL AND IT ALLOWS A SITE TO BE REALLY CUSTOMIZED TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE SITUATION ALLOWS.
AND THIS IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE SF SIX NEXT TO IT, AND IF THIS ONE BECOMES, UH, THE SAME, IT IT YOU, YOU'RE ABLE TO USE KIND OF THE BENEFITS OF THE OVERALL SITE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO REACT TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.
WE HAVE THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE, WE HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS, AND NOW THAT YOU HAVE A LARGER AREA AS WELL AS MORE ACCESS POINTS, WE COULD EVEN BETTER CUSTOMIZE WHERE THINGS COME IN AND OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, INTO THE SITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT IF THE, IF THIS WAS SF TWO BY ITSELF TURNING SF SIX IN THIS KIND OF LANDLOCKED AREA, THAT WOULD WORK.
BUT IT WORKS BECAUSE IT'S PART OF, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SF SIX, UM, SITE.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY IN, IN TIMES LIKE THIS WHERE WE ARE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, IF THIS THING GOT CHOPPED UP AND SLICED UP INTO MORE, UM, STREETS AND SUCH, IT, IT WOULD BE, I THINK, MORE DETRIMENTAL THAN WHAT A, UH, HOMOGENOUS SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT COULD GIVE US.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE SINGLE, UH, WATER QUALITY WITH, UM, WATER DETENTION, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE THAN JUST DOING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THERE.
SO, UH, IN SO MANY WAYS THIS, THIS IS A GREAT S OF SIX, UH, PROPERTY, SO THANKS.
ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST? COMMISSIONER COX? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR SECOND? I MEAN, TO ME, THIS, THE BALL'S ALREADY ROLLING ON THIS WITH THE ADJACENT, UH, SF SIX LOT.
UM, THE PROPERTY WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE IS RELATIVELY SMALL AND IT'S A RELATIVELY, LOOKS LIKE A RELATIVELY SMALL COMPONENT OF THAT LARGER DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I'M ALSO EXCITED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PARKLAND, UH, ESPECIALLY IF, IF IT CAN BE UNIFIED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, HAVE CONNECTION TO, TO, UH, DECAL ROAD AND HOPEFULLY BENEFIT THE PEOPLE OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS WITH, WITH AN ADDITIONAL PARK.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT IT.
ANY COMMISSIONERS AGAINST NEUTRAL COMMISSIONER YAS POLI, GO AHEAD.
UM, I WILL ECHO THE COMMENTS OF THE, THE PROS OF SF SIX.
I LIKE SEEING MORE IN BETWEEN OPTIONS.
UM, AND MY AMBIVALENCE AROUND THIS IS SIMPLY AROUND THE CONVERSATION OF HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY.
UM, BECAUSE I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS IS 78, 7 53 IN THE ZIP CODE.
THE PER CAPITA INCOME IS AROUND 26,000, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA COMPARED TO 44 CITYWIDE.
AND THE RENTS IN THIS AREA AROUND 1400 A MONTH.
SO JUST LOOKING AT THE WAY CURRENT MARKET PER SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLING.
IT'S, IT'S TWICE AS MUCH AS, UH, WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE IN THIS AREA.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT NOTE.
SO THIS IS, I THINK, A GREAT HOUSING DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD, YOU KNOW, ON, ON ITS OWN STANDALONE.
IT ALSO IS PART OF THE RAPID ECONOMIC DISPLACEMENT IN THE HOUSING MARKET AND THE PRECEDENT IT SETS HAS AN IMPACT ON PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE IN OUR MOST AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THAT'S, UM, MY, MY NEUTRAL STANDPOINT.
COMMISSIONER LEWIS AGAINST, OH, COMMISSIONER MUSH.
TYLER, YOU HAD, UM, UH, NEUTRAL
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DICK AGAINST OH, NEUTRAL.I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT UTILIZATION, UM, IN STRATEGIC PLACES LIKE THIS, UM, TO BLEND NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I LIKE THE INTEGRATED PARKLAND TO THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
UM, I'LL PUT MY PLUGIN FOR PUBLIC ACCESS ROADWAYS AND NOT EMERGENCY ACCESS ROADWAYS.
UM, THE DATA SHOWS VERY CLEARLY THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS ROADWAYS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME IMPACT IN A TRUE EMERGENCY AS A PUBLIC DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY.
SECONDLY, I'M NOT REALLY THRILLED WITH RENTAL UNITS.
I KNOW WE NEED HOUSING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, BUT WE NEED HOUSING STABILITY AND PERMANENCE, AND WE NEED THAT AT ENTRY LEVEL WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET IN.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS UP TO THE DEVELOPER AS TO HOW THEY WANNA DO THAT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SF SIX FOR PURCHASE AT ENTRY LEVEL SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE A HOME AND STAY THERE.
UM, ONE, SPEAKING FOR COMMISSIONERS ARE THANK YOU, CHAIR.
UM, I WON'T BELABOR THE POINTS FROM SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND WHY WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE A NOTE.
I'M NOT A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER, BUT I REALLY HOPE THAT OUR STAFF, AS IT'S DOING THESE THINGS, ALLOWS CROSS CONNECTIONS THROUGH STREETS.
SO WE REALLY SHOULD MINIMIZE ENTRY AND EXITS FROM ONE WAY.
WE REALLY SAW THROUGH WINTER STRONG URIE, WHEN THAT'S A THING, SOMETIMES THOSE PASTURES GET BLOCKED AND AN AMBULANCE CANNOT GET TO YOU IN THE TIME OF A CRISIS BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES.
WE REALLY SHOULD MAINTAIN THOSE CONNECTIONS, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO LINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DESAL AND ACTUALLY ALLOW AN ENTIRE OTHER INGRESS AND EGRESS APART FROM, OF COURSE, THE FIRE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE RELATED.
SO, UM, WE'VE USED ALL OUR SPEAKING SLOTS.
WE HAVE ONE AGAINST ONE NEUTRAL, ONE MORE NEUTRAL, ONE AGAINST LEFT.
IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK AGAINST, WE HAVE ONE MORE LEFT.
OKAY, SO NO ONE ELSE IS SPEAKING AGAINST.
SO WE HAVE ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE, UM, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE, UH, NPA, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO HIGHER DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE.
AND ON THE, UM, THE REZONING FROM SF TWO N P TO SF SIX N P.
SO I WILL TAKE THE BOAT HERE ON THE DICE.
AND THEN ON SCREEN WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, UH, FOUR, AND THEN A ONE ABSTENTION.
SO WE HAVE NINE TOTAL FOR THIS ITEM AND ONE ABSTENTION.
[12. Site Plan Extension: SP-2016-0021C(XT2) - Anonymous Brewery; District 2 ]
UM, WE WILL MOVE TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM 12, THE SITE PLAN EXTENSION.NOW WE HAVE MS. CHRISTINE BARTON HOMES TO, UH, PRESENT, UH, THE STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT.
CHRISTINE BART HOLMES, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
I MS. HOLMES, IF YOU CAN TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, PLEASE.
UM, THE REQUEST FOR YOU IS FOR THE SECOND EXTENSION OF A, UH, BREWERY DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING, UM, OFFICE WAREHOUSE ASSOCIATED STRUCTURES.
TOTAL THREE STRUCTURES WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN, UH, 2017 AND EXPIRED MARCH 15TH, 2020, WHICH WAS, UH, A DATE THAT WAS ALLOWED, ALLOWED IT TO CARRY FORWARD WITH THE MAYORAL EXTENSION, SO IT, IT DID FINALLY, UH, EXPIRE, UM, MAY OR MARCH 15TH, 2021.
UH, TODAY THERE'S BEEN NO WORK DONE ON THE SITE, BUT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION TO, UM, BE ABLE TO START THE WORK AND FINISH THE PLAN OUT.
THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A 10 YEAR EXTENSION, AND I BELIEVE HE'S HERE AND WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, STAFF TYPICALLY RECOMMENDS THREE OR EXTENSIONS FOR, UH, COMMISSION APPROVED SITE PLANS BECAUSE THE
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ORIGINAL LIFESPAN OF A SITE PLAN IS THREE YEARS.SO WE JUST RECOMMEND THREE YEARS AGAIN.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, RON THROWER FOR THE LANDOWNER.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS BEEN, UM, A DESIRE OF A CLIENT OF OURS EVER SINCE WE GOT IT APPROVED.
HE'S BEEN HIT BY NOT ONLY THE PANDEMIC, BUT THEN NOW HE'S HIT BY THE RECESSION.
THE INCREASE, UH, INTEREST RATES, UH, TO TRY AND FINANCE THE PROJECT TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
UM, STAFF IS LIMITING THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THREE YEARS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL EXPIRATION AND SITE PLAN HAS OCCURRED, UH, A YEAR AGO, AND THE THREE YEAR EXTENSION WOULD ONLY EQUATE TO A TWO YEAR EXTENSION.
SO YOU WOULD SEE ME AGAIN AND ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR TO ASK FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION BEYOND THE ONE THAT STAFF IS GONNA BE GRANTING.
UM, COULD WE COMPROMISE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN? YES.
COULD IT BE SIX OR SEVEN? PROBABLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE THAT WE ARE ALL ABLE TO PULL OUTTA THIS RECESSION, UH, AND THAT THIS PARTICULAR LANDOWNER CAN MOVE FORWARD DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.
THAT'S HIS INTENTIONS RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
CHAIR, THE APPLICANT, OR FOR GO REBUTTAL? THIS CONCLUDES THESE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU.
ANDREW
MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND BY COMMISSIONER AAR, EVERYONE ON THE DICE.
COMMISSIONER COX, UH, QUESTIONS AT STAFF, UM, THAT HAVE, HAVE, HAVE WE OR STAFF OR ANYONE EVER DONE A 10 YEAR EXTENSION ON A SITE PLAN APPROVAL BEFORE? IT'S VERY RARE.
UM, TYPICAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THREE YEARS FOR COMMERCIAL, FIVE YEARS FOR, UH, NONPROFIT AND EDUCATIONAL, RECOGNIZING THAT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT FUNDING STRUCTURE.
THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW, UM, CHURCHES AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVE GOT LONGER EXTENSIONS.
I THINK WE HAVE HAD A FEW TENURE EXTENSIONS AND IT'S COMMISSION'S DISCRETION, BUT, UH, STAFF PRESIDENT IS, IS THREE YEARS.
UM, IS THERE A LIMIT ON HOW MANY EXTENSIONS ONE CAN REQUEST? MM, NO.
YOU, YOU CAN REQUEST EXTENSIONS AND ITEM.
IS THERE, UM, OTHER THAN PAYING THE CONSULTANTS BILLS TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS, IS, IS THERE ANY FEES OR, OR OTHER COSTS THAT THE CITY REQUIRES TO REQUEST EXTENSIONS? THERE ARE FEES, UH, FOR THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL AND REVIEW, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE NOTIFICATION FEE FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THERE'S TWO SETS OF FEES THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO PAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA GENERALLY ON THIS PROJECT WHAT THOSE FEES AMOUNT TO, OR MAYBE THE APPLICANT AS THE THROWER CAN TELL US? YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, MR. THROWER, I BELIEVE WOULD KNOW.
COMMISSIONER COX, I GOTTA PLEAD A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, TIME LOSS ON ALL THIS BECAUSE THIS ACTUALLY, THIS APPLICATION'S BEEN IN PROCESS FOR A YEAR.
WE ORIGINALLY FILED FOR THE EXTENSION IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND WENT THROUGH A SERIES OF, UH, DENIALS ASSOCIATED WITH COMPLETENESS CHECK, AND THEN IT WAS FORMALLY FILED IN FEBRUARY.
SO WHAT WAS THE FEE A YEAR AGO? I HONESTLY CANNOT REMEMBER.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, KNOW, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF I MAY, ABOUT, UH, OTHER SITE PLANS AND EXTENSIONS, THE LAST SITE PLAN THAT I WAS BEFORE COMMISSIONED FOR AN EXTENSION, UH, WAS A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION ON AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT OUT BY THE AIRPORT.
SO I DON'T, DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH STAFF'S POSITION THAT IT'S ALWAYS THREE.
UM, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMISSION TO MAKE SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS.
OH, I DID FIND THE FEES IN OUR DATABASE.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THE FEES WERE $10,383 AND 48 CENTS.
SO THE, SO THE FEE TO REQUEST THE EXTENSION WAS $10,000.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SHAY?
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QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.SO THIS IS A FULL SITE PLAN WITH WATER QUALITY WATER DETENTION, FULLY ENGINEERED? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S A CONSOLIDATED SITE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO, AND IT'S UNDER PHASE ONE IS COMPLETED, OR NO PHASE IS COMPLETED.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY CONSTRUCTION YET.
AND WHAT YOUR STANDARDS WERE, THE WATER QUALITY DETENTION, WHEN WAS THAT ENGINEERED? UH, WELL, IT WOULD'VE BEEN WITH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, OR EXCUSE ME, SUBMISSION.
SO THE STANDARDS, I MEAN, OF, I, I GUESS I MIGHT, I'M JUST WONDERING, IT'S LIKE, SO THE STANDARDS OF WATER QUALITY BACK THEN VERSUS TODAY, HOW HAS IT CHANGED? I MEAN, IN THAT SITE PLAN, I MEAN, HAS THERE BEEN LIKE A LOT OF, I MEAN, I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING IN TERMS OF WATER QUALITY, UM, FROM BACK THEN TO WHERE IT IS TODAY DAY.
WAS IT A BIG CHANGE OR IS IT STILL KIND OF THE SAME? DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN CHANGES, BUT YOU KNOW, HONESTLY THERE'S BEEN, I DON'T, JUST DON'T RECALL ANY CODE AMENDMENTS IN THE LAST SIX YEARS OF AFFECTING WATER QUALITY OTHER THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE.
WHICH, WHICH ISN'T EVEN, I MEAN, WHICH ISN'T EVEN OUT YET, SO I DON'T EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT FOR, FOR THEM TO NOW, IS IT PRETTY MUCH PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH MORE OR LESS THE SAME? UM, AGAIN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T RECALL ANY CODE AMENDMENTS.
SO YES, THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD'VE, WOULD BE THE SAME.
COMMISSION? YEAH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
SO, COMMISSION SHAY, I'M LOOKING AT THE BACKUP.
SO ON PAGE FIVE TO SEVEN, IT SAYS A COMPARISON OF THE APPROVED PROJECT WITH CURRENT REGULATIONS.
IT SAYS, FOR WATERSHED ORDINANCE, THIS PROJECT COMPLIES WITH CURRENT WATERSHED REGULATIONS, LAND USE, THE SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH ALL ZONING, REGULATIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL, ALL ENVIRONMENTAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN CLEARED.
TRANSPORTATION, ALL TRANSPORTATION COMMENTS HAVE BEEN CLEARED.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT COMPLIES WITH ALL CURRENT WATERSHED.
SO LET'S SAY IF WE BUMP IT TO FIVE YEARS AND THE REGULATIONS CHANGE, YOU WOULD STILL BE GRANDFATHERED TO, TO CONTINUE THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, YES.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, LET MY MIND THINK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, COMMISSIONER ZAR, JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND HONESTLY, THIS IS JUST MORE FROM MY OWN UNDERSTANDING AND STAFF.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES FOR A ONE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS FOR A PSYCH PLAN EXTENSION? DOES IT REGULARLY COME TO US? IT SEEMS LIKE IT DOES NOT.
WHAT ARE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH IT DOES AND WHAT ARE, WHAT WOULD BE REASONS WHY STAFF WOULD DENY, UM, EXTENSION OF A PSYCH PLAN? THE, SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT STAGES FOR AN EXTENSION.
THE FIRST ONE IS ADMINISTRATIVE, AND IT'S JUST FOR ONE YEAR.
UH, AFTER THAT IT GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UH, THEY DO RECEIVE A FULL REVIEW.
IT'S, IT'S A TRUNCATED REVIEW, BUT THEY DO GET A FULL REVIEW.
SO IF ANY OF THE CODES HAVE CHANGED, THEY WOULD NEED TO DO A CONCURRENT CORRECTION OR A REVISIONS BRING THE PROJECT UP TO CODE.
UH, IN THIS CASE, NOTHING HAD CHANGED THAT WOULD AFFECT THE SITE DESIGN.
SO THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO DO ANY CONCURRENT CORRECTIONS OR REVISIONS.
UM, STAFF, I DON'T BELIEVE HAS EVER RECOMMENDED COMPLETELY AGAINST, UH, UH, AN EXTENSION.
WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND AT LEAST THREE YEARS OF FIVE YEARS, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND IN RARE CASES, WE, WE DO RECOMMEND MORE.
UM, WE, WE JUST PREFER TO STAY WITH THE THREE YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ORIGINALLY GRANTED FOR A SITE PLAN.
AND THAT'S BEEN THE LINE THAT WE HAVE HELD, UH, AS STAFF SINCE BEFORE THE LAST DOWNTURN.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S, UM, NOT APPROPRIATE OR APPLICABLE IN EVERY CASE, THAT IT'S VERY MUCH A CASE BY CASE CIRCUMSTANTIAL BASIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, RECOMMEND A SIX YEAR SITE PLAN EXTENSION.
UM, COMMISSIONER COX, YOU WANNA SPEAK FOR YOUR MOTION? UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT OF A CASE WHERE A PROJECT GOT A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT.
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INDUSTRIAL TYPE PROJECT.UM, UH, GENERALLY RIGHT NOW THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY,
I KNOW PERSONALLY FROM MY JOB, IT'S TAKING TWICE OR THREE TIMES LONGER TO DO ANYTHING.
UM, AND SO ANY PROJECT THAT WOULD COME BEFORE ME ON THIS COMMISSION REQUESTING A SITE PLAN EXTENSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'D BE VERY MUCH OPEN TO, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS PARTICULAR OWNER HAD ISSUES THAT PREDATED COVID, BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE A SIX YEAR EXTENSION ACCOUNTS FOR KIND OF THE, THE YEAR LONG PROCESS IT'S TAKEN TO GET TO THIS COMMISSION PLUS THE FIVE YEARS, WHICH I THINK IS, IS A FAIR ENOUGH TIME, UM, BEFORE THEY HAVE TO COME BACK.
AND POTENTIALLY WE NEED TO EVALUATE MORE CAREFULLY THE CURRENT REGULATIONS AT THAT TIME VERSUS WHAT THIS WAS APPROVED UNDER.
BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND, UH, I GOT A CORRECTION THAT WE NEED TO SAY, GRANT, A SIX YEAR COMMISSION PURVIEW, NOT JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
OH, OH, IS THIS, ARE WE THE FINAL, THIS DOESN'T GO TO COUNSEL MM-HMM.
OKAY THEN YES, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION GRANT A SIX YEAR SITE PLAN EXTENSION.
UM, SO ANYONE WANNA SPEAK AGAINST THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER? UH, I, I ACTUALLY, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE MOTION MAKER, UH, WHICH IS, IS THAT SIX YEARS FROM TODAY OR IS THAT FOR THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD BEFORE? SINCE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A YEAR, FIVE YEARS FROM TODAY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, AND, AND HOPEFULLY STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF, IF, IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE EXTENSION WILL BE BASED OFF OF, WELL, ACTUALLY I'M
UM, THE EXPIRATION DATE IS BASED ON THE ORIGINAL EXPIRATION DATE.
SO, UH, IF IT WERE A SIX YEAR EXTENSION, IT WOULD BE MARCH 15TH, 2027.
IT'S SIX YEARS FROM THE EXPIRATION DATE OF MARCH, 2021.
SO, SO THE SIX YEARS THAT I'M PROPOSING WOULD, WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE HIM ABOUT WHAT, FIVE, UH, YEAH, YEAH.
STRUGGLING WITH BASIC MATH HERE, BUT, BUT YEAH, IT'S FROM MARCH, 2021.
WITH THAT CLARIFICATION, ANYONE SPEAKING AGAINST, OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER SHAY? SO I WANT TO SECOND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, ANY, OR I MEAN, JUST TO CONFIRM WITH EVERYBODY WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW WITH, UM, THE UNKNOWN OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMY AND, YOU KNOW, THE COSTS OF, UM, INTEREST RATES OF, I MEAN DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T QUITE KNOW WHERE IT'S HEADED YET RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I THINK THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, GRANTING THIS EXTENSION IS, IS GONNA BE HELPFUL TO THIS, THIS DEVELOPER AND, YOU KNOW, AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S KIND OF HITTING HARD TIMES, I MEAN, THEY SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND MAYBE WE CAN HELP THEM, UH, GET THROUGH THIS.
UM, I THINK IN FIVE YEARS TIME, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO CONSIDER EVEN AT LEAST STARTING THE PROJECT, THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT PHASES.
SO I DO HOPE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN FIVE YEARS TIME THAT THEY'RE GONNA START THIS BECAUSE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PROJECT.
ALL RIGHT, ONE MORE CHANCE, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON SPEAKING AGAINST, UM, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK AGAINST, BUT I WOULD, WOULD RECOMMEND A, I'M NOT GONNA QUITE MAKE THE MOTION, BUT IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTED TO MAKE THE MOTION, I I WOULD SUPPORT IT A, A SLIGHTLY SHORTER ONE THAT WOULD PROVIDE A A OF THREE YEAR EXTENSION.
SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A FOUR YEAR EXTENSION WITH JUST THE IDEA THAT YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH TIME.
HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THREE YEARS THINGS ARE, ARE, ARE SETTLED, BUT WE'RE GIVING UP A LOT HERE TOO.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE JUST SEEN SOME, WHAT ARE POSSIBLY SOME SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH.
UM, YEAH, THERE'S A $10,000 FEE, BUT WE'RE GIVING UP THE, THE, THE NEW COMMERCIAL DEDICATION FEES THAT THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE IN, IN THREE YEARS.
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LOOK AT EXTENDING IT AGAIN IN THREE YEARS.UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION NOW.
THIS IS LIKE, IT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOT.
IT'S, IT'S GOT A BUNCH OF JUST GREAT TREES ON IT.
UH, IT'S GOT WHAT LOOKS TO BE LIKE SOME WATER FEATURES, UM, OR, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, CREEKS, DRY CREEKS THAT, AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY A BUNCH OF PARKING THAT HOPEFULLY IN, IN THREE YEARS WE DON'T HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A, A BETTER SITE PLAN COULD COME FROM IT IN THREE YEARS FOLLOWING ALL THE NEW, NEW INSTRUCTIONS.
AND WE'D HAVE THAT CHOICE IN THREE YEARS TO DECIDE ON THAT.
WELL, WE STILL HAVE THE MOTION, THE CURRENT MOTION ON THE TABLE.
NO ACTUAL SUBSTITUTE WAS MADE.
I THINK, UH, WE CAN TAKE A VOTE THEN IF THERE'S NO SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
AND THIS IS THE MOTION ON THE TABLE.
SO, UM, THE MOTION ON THE TABLES TO GRANT A SIX YEAR EXTENSION ON THIS SITE PLAN, UM, BY COMMISSIONER COX AND SECOND IT BY COMMISSIONER ZAR, ALL THOSE ON THE DICE, WE HAVE FOUR.
AND, UM, ON VIRTUAL AND 2, 3 4, WE HAVE FIVE YAYS AND ONE ABSTENTION.
[16. Code Amendment: Residential Use on Commercially Zoned Properties Code Amendment ]
WILL MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM 16, CODE AMENDMENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE ON COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES.UM, CHAIR COMMISSION LIAISON, ANN VER, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS, SO IF YOU WISH TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
ANYONE WANNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? COMMISSIONER AZA SECOND, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND BY, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? FOUR ON THE DICE.
DISCUSSION CHAIR STAFF HAS A PRESENTATION.
I AM ERIC LEAK WITH HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE A SUPER QUICK PRESENTATION, UH, ABOUT CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE INITIATED BY COUNCIL TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, THE, THE CONCEPT IS BASICALLY JUST WHAT IT'S CALLED TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND THIS AMENDMENT WAS SORT OF DEVELOPED AS A WAY TO ADD HOUSING CAPACITY.
UM, THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION DIRECTED STAFF TO DEVELOP THESE CODE AMENDMENTS, UM, TO INCREASE HOUSING CAPACITY.
SO THAT, UM, THERE WOULD BE HOUSING IN MORE PLACES TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR MORE HOUSING.
AND SO THE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN CS, CS ONE G R L R G O N L O.
UH, WHEN PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM, THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIRED.
SO IT'S SORT OF SIMILAR TO THE VERTICAL MIXED USE PROGRAM IN, IN TERMS OF IT BEING, UM, A DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.
THERE IS ALSO A PROVISION TO HAVE A RIGHT TO RETURN FOR CREATIVE SPACES IF THERE ARE CREATIVE SPACES ON THE PROPERTY AT PRESENT.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE 10% OF THE UNITS BE AFFORDABLE AT 60% OF, UH, THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME FOR 40 YEARS
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FOR RENTAL, OR 10% AT 80% MFI FOR 99 YEARS FOR OWNERSHIP.AND THERE'S NOT A FEE AND LU OPTION.
UH, SO THIS IS A MAP SHOWING WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE AT PRESENT.
UM, THERE WOULD NOT BE CHANGES TO OTHER SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SO THERE'S NOT A HEIGHT BONUS OPTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SAME HEIGHT IN PREVIOUS COVER OR FLOOR AREA RATIO AS AS EXISTS AT PRESENT.
AND I REALIZE THIS IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT, UM, THESE ARE A COUPLE OF ILLUSTRATIONS SHOWING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARCELS, UH, WHICH IS THE RED LINE AT THE TOP, AND THEN IT BREAKS IT DOWN INTO, UM, ON THE LEFT HAND CHART.
UM, WHICH PARCELS ARE WITHIN AREAS THAT HAVE POPULATIONS AT, UH, RISK OF DISPLACEMENT.
AND THEN IN THE BROWNISH COLOR, UM, AREAS THAT ARE CONSIDERED HIGH OPPORTUNITY HAVE LOTS OF JOBS, AMENITIES, ET CETERA.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, THE TOP LINE IS AGAIN, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARCELS.
THE SECOND LINE IS THE NUMBER OF PARCELS THAT ARE WITHIN HALF MILE OF PROJECT CONNECT ROUTES.
AND THEN THE THIRD OR BOTTOM BLUE LINE, UH, ARE PARCELS THAT ARE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF, UH, CURRENT TRANSIT SERVICE.
SO, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE, THE CODE AMENDMENTS AS THEY'RE DRAFTED WITH TWO MAKE WITH WITH TWO CHANGES.
SO WE RECOMMEND THAT, UH, PROPERTIES WITHIN 500 FEET OF A LEVEL FIVE HIGHWAY BE EXCLUDED FROM THE PROGRAM BECAUSE OF HEALTH CONCERNS.
UM, AND ALSO TO EXCLUDE RESIDENTIAL USES, NEAR INTENSE MANUFACTURING AND OR NOXIOUS USES ALSO BECAUSE OF HEALTH CONCERNS.
UM, SO THIS MAP SHOWS AREAS DISPLACEMENT RISK AREAS IN PURPLE, UM, HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS IN PEACHES.
AND THEN THE IN RED SHOWS THE PROPERTIES WITHIN 500 FEET OF HIGHWAYS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS EXCLUDING.
UM, AND THEN THIS BREAKS OUT THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE EXCLUDED BECAUSE THEY'RE NEAR HIGHWAYS.
UM, SO THE, THE TOP CHART IS THE TOTAL, THE BOTTOM CHART, UM, BREAKS IT OUT OUT IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS AND DISPLACEMENT RISK AREAS.
AND SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO ALLOW, UH, THIS PROGRAM TO FUNCTION WITHIN 500 FEET OF A LEVEL FIVE HIGHWAY.
AND THEN WE HAVE A LIST, UM, A A SORT OF POTENTIAL LIST OF NOXIOUS MANUFACTURING, UM, OR OTHER NOXIOUS USES.
UH, SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY HERE AT PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT.
THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR COUNSEL ON DECEMBER ONE.
AND, UH, RACHEL TE TEPPER AND I ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
SO WE'RE, UM, I GUESS WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS NOW, THE USUAL EIGHT BY THREE MINUTES.
DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER COX? ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO DOES, DOES THIS, SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE, YOU YOU MENTIONED RESIDENTIAL USES NEAR OTHER USES THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR BEING RESIDENCES.
AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE AIRPORT.
DOES THE AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE STILL APPLY? SO INDUSTRIAL USES INDUSTRIAL ZONE OR COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES AROUND THE AIRPORT WOULDN'T
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AUTOMATICALLY BE ABLE TO JUST START BUILDING APARTMENTS IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE? CORRECT? THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING.THE AIRPORT OVERLAY WOULD STILL BE IN EFFECT.
AND, AND NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL.
UM, YEAH, I'D WANNA MAKE SURE OF THAT BECAUSE, UH, FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M A CONSULTANT FOR THE AIRPORT.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT PROCESS AND IT REALLY IS DETRIMENTALLY IMPACTFUL TO THE AIRPORT AND THEIR FUNDING SOURCES IF WE HAVE NON-COMPATIBLE USES, UH, CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT.
SO, UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, FI AND LU IS NOT ALLOWED FOR THE AFFORDABLE REQUIREMENTS.
AND I USED TO BE A BIG FAN OF GETTING RID OF FI AND LU, UM, BUT I WENT THROUGH THE STATEMENT STATESMAN PUT PROCESS, AND IT KIND OF OPENED MY EYES THAT THERE MAY BE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE FORCING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN A PARTICULAR AREA VERSUS CAPTURING THE FUNDS FOR THAT AND USING IT WHERE WE CAN POTENTIALLY GET MORE YIELD MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT'S THE IMPETUS BEHIND BARRING FEE AND LOU, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, POTENTIALLY, THAT THAT MIGHT BE REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONDO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, UH, ON THESE CODE AMENDMENTS WAS ACTUALLY VERY, VERY SPECIFIC.
UM, AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE DIRECTION, UM, SPECIFIED NOT TO ALLOW AN INLAND FEE.
UM, I MEAN, SO I I, I, WELL, SO OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS, DOES STAFF HAVE ANY PARTICULAR REASON OTHER THAN STAFF DIRECTION WHY FEE AND LOU SHOULD BE BARRED FROM THIS PROGRAM? I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE ALWAYS SITUATIONS WHERE, OR THERE CAN BE SITUATIONS WHEN THERE MAY BE REASONS TO ALLOW THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BE PERHAPS OFF SITE OR, OR BE IN LIE.
BUT, UM, WE, WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SHAY? SO, SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I SAW A SLIDE THAT SAID IN ESSENCE YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST ALLOWING THE MU ASPECT OF IT ADMINISTRATIVELY, IS THAT CORRECT? EXCEPT THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO AN AFFORDABLE PIECE IF YOU WANT IT? UH, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT SLIDE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING.
UH, AND I, I TRIED TO REWRITE IT AT THE LAST MINUTE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT GOT IN.
SO IT BASICALLY, YOU ADMINISTRATIVELY HAVE THE MU STANDARDS IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE AFFORDABILITY ASPECT.
SO, SO THEY ARE PAIRED TOGETHER.
SO IF I WANTED, IF I HAD A PROJECT AND I DIDN'T WANT DO, CUZ LET'S SAY I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF HAVING TO MANAGE ALL THIS AFFORDABILITY STUFF CUZ IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, IT'S, IT'S ADDITIONAL WORK OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN SO WOULD I, COULD I JUST COME IN AND GO THE STANDARD ROUTE OF ASKING FOR AN MU IN A ZONING ASPECT OF IT AND THEN JUST BE ABLE TO, UM, DEVELOP JUST THE SAME OLD WAY? RIGHT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, RIGHT? SO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PAY THE MONEY TO GO THROUGH A REZONING TO GET AN MU ON IT, I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT NOW I HAVE TO, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE INCENTIVE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE HEARING PROCESS, BUT NOW YOU GOTTA DO 10% WHATEVER AFFORDABLE.
UM, UH, I THINK I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, I, I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE 500 FEET FROM A HIGHWAY AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS, I GUESS I'M JUST CONFUSED BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY OF AUSTIN
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DOESN'T HAVE CLEAR RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHETHER WE BUILD HOUSING NEAR HIGHWAYS OR NOT.I THINK IF THE KATIE LOFTS, WHAT WAS IT CALLED? THE KATIE LOFTS RIGHT AGAINST I 35.
WE, IN THE SMALL AREA PLAN SAW THE PALM DISTRICT PLAN THAT'S GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOPING TO GET THE POLICE CENTER, THE POLICE STATION TO BE REDEVELOPED INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF DENSITY BONUSES GOING UP ON RAINY STREET AND THOSE ARE ALL WITHIN 500 FEET OF A A, A HIGHWAY.
AND I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY COMPLAIN FROM THE CITY THAT WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW ANY OF THOSE.
CAN CAN YOU JUST SORT OF TALK TO WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ALLOW HOUSING NEAR HIGHWAYS? I'M, I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE CITY ISN'T VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS.
YEAH, I CAN JUMP IN ON THIS ONE.
I THINK THIS ONE CAME FROM OUR AFFORDABILITY IMPACT STATEMENT AND THE SORT OF EXTERNALITIES, UM, AND ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT THIS, UM, HAS, PARTICULARLY FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR AND, UM, HEALTH IMPACTS AND THE, THE COSTS OF ASTHMA AND DIABETES AND, AND OTHER IMPACTS.
AND SINCE THIS IS A CITYWIDE RECOMMENDATION, UM, WE, WE WERE CONCERNED AND WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF INCONSISTENCY THAT I THINK, UM, WE'D LIKE TO WORK ON, UH, TO DISCOURAGE HOUSING ALONG HIGHWAYS BECAUSE OF THE HEALTH IMPLICATIONS, UM, KIND OF GOING FORWARD.
BUT, BUT SO THE THINGS THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND HOUSING ON RAINY STREET.
WE'RE NOT GONNA RECOMMEND HOUSING IN THE HEALTH SOUTH DISTRICT OR, OR HOUSING AT THE POLICE STATION GOING FORWARD.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SET POLICY YET.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE WANTING TO BE REALLY CLEAR, UM, ABOUT THOSE HEALTH IMPACTS.
AND AND IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO THE FACT THAT POSSIBLY IF WE MOVE TO AN ELECTRIC WORLD, THAT, THAT THOSE HEALTH IMPACTS WOULD BE LESS IMPACTFUL? I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE THAT WE MAY GET THERE EVENTUALLY.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MOST BUILDINGS HAVE A LIFE SPAN OF, OF NOT USUALLY MORE THAN ABOUT 50 YEARS.
SO, UM, SO IF WE TRANSITION MORE TO ELECTRIC THEN UH, THEN PERHAPS THEY MIGHT BECOME MORE APPROPRIATE PLACES FOR HOUSING IN THE FUTURE.
UM, DO I HAVE ANY TIME LEFT? IF CAN, CAN, WE TALKED SOME ABOUT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS CUZ I THINK THE INITIAL COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION OR RESOLUTION WAS TO PROVIDE THIS LIKE VMU, UM, AND YET BMU DOESN'T HAVE THE SORT OF SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT, THAT THIS DOES.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHY, WHY WE DECIDED TO USE SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HERE, MINIMUM APARTMENT SIZES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE OFFHAND.
RACHEL, DO YOU KNOW THAT ONE? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
WE, WE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONE.
CUZ, CUZ IN VMU IF NO MATTER WHAT THE BASE ZONING IS, IF YOU GET THE VMU ZONING, THEN ALL SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE, ARE GO AWAY AND, AND YOU CAN BUILD AS DS AT AS YOU FEEL NECESSARY AREA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. MUSH? THANK YOU.
UM, CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP THAT YOU SHOWED AGAIN THAT HAD THE LEVEL FIVE HIGHWAY WITH AND WITHOUT? I THINK, UM, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THAT WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY IMPACTS, BUT I'M WONDERING IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THIS HAS NOT GONE, GONE BEFORE, SAY A THE PUBLIC HEALTH COMMISSION AND A MEDICAL BODY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION OR MAYBE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION? UM, WE DO HAVE COMMISSIONS WITH AREA EXPERTISE.
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GREAT QUESTION.WE BASICALLY LOOKED AT HEALTH RESEARCH, UM, NATIONWIDE AND THE FINDING THAT, UM, THAT THAT HIGHWAYS DO HAVE DETRIMENTAL HEALTH IMPACTS.
SO, SO WE BASED OUR RECOMMENDATION ON, ON NATIONWIDE RESEARCH RATHER THAN, AND, AND THERE THERE'S DEFINITELY A CORRELATION, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE MATERNITY WORK THAT I DO.
UM, BUT DOESN'T THAT GO DIRECTLY AGAINST OUR IDEA TO HAVE TRANSIT ORIENTED CORRIDORS AND PROJECT CONNECT AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO MAKE THINGS WALKABLE AND LIVABLE? I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHICH WAY WE'RE PRIORITIZING.
I'M, I, I I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH OTHER COMMISSIONS.
UM, I CAN'T QUITE TELL ON THAT MAP CUZ IT'S SMALL.
UH, THE GRAY THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OUT TOWARDS THE WEST, WHAT ROADWAY THAT'S BORDERING.
THERE'S DARK GRAY FAR TO THE NORTHWEST AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH ROAD OR HIGHWAY THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH THERE.
I THINK THAT'S TWO 90 IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NORTHWEST, UH, TWO 90 WOULD BE SOUTH.
IS THAT OUT TOWARDS SIX 20? OH, NORTHWEST MM-HMM.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE MARKED ON YOUR MAP? UM, QUESTION.
UH, THIS MAY BE TO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN THIS IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 7,000 SOME ODD.
I, FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE THE IDEA OF CONVERTING COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN, COMPANIES ARE MOVING OUT OF OFFICE SPACES.
THERE ARE A LONG TRANSIT CORRIDORS THAT ALREADY EXIST.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE SOME MORE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW WE'RE HARNESSING IT BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY NEAT OPPORTUNITY TO CONVERT SPACE THAT MAY ALREADY BE DESIGNATED INTO MORE USEFUL THINGS THAT THE CITY NEEDS.
BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ANY REQUIREMENT NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
I MEAN, WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO NOTIFY PEOPLE OR WHAT WILL BE DONE TO NOTIFY PEOPLE THAT THERE WILL BE A CHANGE IN THEIR ZONING? SO THIS TYPE OF A CODE AMENDMENT REQUIRED NOTICE TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S, UH, A NEWSPAPER NOTICE, UM, AND THEN POST PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I DID WANNA GET BACK TO ONE PREVIOUS TO ANSWER OUR PREVIOUS QUESTION YOU ASKED ABOUT THE CORRIDORS.
SO IN GENERAL, IN GENERAL, THE PROJECT CONNECT CORRIDORS ARE NOT HIGHWAYS.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY JUST FOCUSING ON RESTRICTIONS ALONG HIGHWAYS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THERE'S USUALLY MORE, UM, FREIGHT TRAFFIC WHICH CREATES MORE PARTICULATES.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO EXCLUDE THIS FROM THE PROJECT CONNECT HIGHWAYS.
IT'S, SORRY, THE PROJECT CONNECT CORRIDOR.
THAT'S INTERESTING CUZ NONE OF OUR BODIES ALONG THOSE AREAS RECEIVE THEIR NOTICE.
I I, I DON'T THINK WE FOLLOWED PROPER PROTOCOL ON THIS YET.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET INTO TROUBLE.
I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL AND PUBLIC HEALTH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING CONSISTENTLY.
I DON'T, I I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER THOMAS.
WE DON'T HAVE A CONSISTENT THING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
I JUST THINK WE'RE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO DO BEFORE IT'S READY TO GO TO COUNSEL.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK ON IT COMMISSION.
I THINK I SAW COMMISSIONER GIANNIS POLITO WHO HAD A HER HAND UP.
ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, UH, GOT, I THINK GOT ANSWERED.
I'M TRYING ACTUALLY TO DETERMINE IF THE, SO I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT NOTIFICATION AS WELL.
MAYBE I CAN FOLLOW UP ON, UM, COMMISSIONER MUTOS QUESTION, BUT I HAD A HARD TIME DECIPHERING WHETHER OR NOT I GOT A NOTIFICATION.
UM, I DON'T THINK I GOT AN, UH, THERE WERE NO INDIVIDUAL NOTIFICATIONS.
WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT WAS JUST AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
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AND COMMUNITY LEVEL.UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT IF ONE GOT THE NOTIFICATION THEY WOULD RECOGNIZE.
UM, I, I GUESS WHAT I WANT, I WAS WONDERING IT IS, WAS THERE A DISCUSSION OR HOW DID YOU ALL ARRIVE AT WHAT, IN, WHAT INFORMATION INCLUDE ON THE NOTIFICATION? BECAUSE IT, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, IT REALLY ONLY SAYS THERE'LL BE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 25, WHICH IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IF YOU KNOW THAT.
UM, AND IT DOES SAY TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES ON COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
IS THERE A REASON THE CONDITIONS WERE LEFT OUT OR ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS IN GENERAL? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, BECAUSE THE SPECIFICS MAY CHANGE AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, THAT, UH, THE NOTICES ARE GENERALLY KEPT BROAD ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR WHATEVER CHANGES MAY HAPPEN AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.
AND THERE'S NO SPECIFICATION OF LIKE WHAT'S IMPACTED NEAR AN AREA.
IS THAT JUST AN ISSUE OF, I GUESS YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT FOR EVERYONE.
UH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CUSTOMIZE NOTIFICATIONS.
SO THIS WAS JUST ONE GENERAL NOTIFICATION SENT OUT TO THE ENTIRE CITY? UH, YES TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
UH, SORRY, I WAS, EXPLAIN IT MY CODE AND I ASSUME I WAS JUST ASSUMING PEOPLE ON THE COMM OR GROUPS ON THE COMMUNITY REGISTRY YES.
AND THEN, UM, PIVOTING SLIGHTLY MAYBE ON THE TOPIC OF, UH, AN ARGUE THE MERITS OF HAVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION LOOK AT THIS, BUT, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL ZONED PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT, EAST AND SOUTHEAST THAT HAVE BEEN DOWN ZONE TO COMMERCIAL OVER THE YEARS WHERE THOSE REQUESTS COME IN.
SO I WOULD ASSUME THIS WOULD, UH, IMPACT THOSE RETROACTIVELY OR LET'S SAY IN THE FUTURE, WOULD IT BE CORRECT THAT IF AN INDUSTRIAL SITE IS DOWN ZONE COMMERCIAL, THIS WOULD APPLY PROVIDED THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET? IT, IT WOULD APPLY.
UM, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY FOR SITUATIONS LIKE, WELL, MAYBE NOT LIKE THAT, BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT, ABOUT NOXIOUS USES AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT REINTRODUCING RESIDENTIAL IN PLACES WHERE IT WAS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED IN THE PAST BECAUSE OF, UM, OF, OF VARIETY OF, UM, USES THAT THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO FOLKS.
SO THAT WOULD THEN BE MONITORED THROUGH HOUSING AND PLANNING OR, UH, THE SITE PLAN LEVEL OR HOW, HOW WOULD YOU FORESEE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS BEING TRACKED JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PUTTING RESIDENTIAL NEAR NOXIOUS STUFF? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, I THINK WE WERE, WE'RE GOING TO STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
UM, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WAS NOT WRITTEN WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF.
SO WE, WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, UM, TO ADD THAT TO THE CODE ITSELF.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER LAZAR? THANK YOU CHAIR.
I'M, I'M JUST GONNA GO OFF OF SOME QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.
SO I'M LOOKING AT COUNCIL'S RESOLUTION AND I'M GONNA READ IT.
AUTHORIZED RESIDENTIAL USES IN ALL PARCELS LOCATED IN THE LISTINGS LISTED ZONING DISTRICTS, EXCEPT WHEN SUBJECT TO REGULATING PLAN, WHICH PROHIBITS RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE PARTICULAR PARCEL, SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS, COMMA, SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, COMMA PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND DESIGN STANDARDS SIMILAR TO THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS CURRENTLY APPLICABLE TO VERTICAL MIXED USED BUILDINGS.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A REASON STAFF DECIDED TO DISREGARD THAT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL? I REALLY DON'T REMEMBER.
UM, GREG DUTTON, WHO IS, WHOSE LEAD ON THIS IS OUT.
UM, AND SO WE ARE, WE ARE FILLING IN AS BEST WE CAN.
UM, SO APOLOGIES, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT DETAIL.
I JUST HOPE STAFF CAN, UH, CAN ESSENTIALLY ASSESS THAT AND FIX THAT TO BE HONEST, BEFORE THIS COMES BACK FOR ACTION, BECAUSE THAT IS CLEAR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.
UM, AND I WANNA SAY IT GOES BOTH WAYS.
IT MAKES OUR BONUSES WORKABLE BY ENSURING THAT WE HAVE PROPERLY CALIBRATED ENTITLEMENTS TO ALLOW PARTICIPATION IN THE BONUS.
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THE DESIGN STANDARDS ACTUALLY PROTECT RESIDENTS.SO THERE'S DESIGN STANDARDS WITHIN VMU AROUND HOW PARKING STRUCTURES ARE, UM, DESIGNED, HOW FENCING IS DESIGNED, HOW GARBAGE DISPOSAL AND RECEPTACLES ARE DESIGNED.
SO ALL OF THAT ACTUALLY IMPROVES THE OVERALL AMENITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
SO I HOPE THAT STAFF CAN LOOK AT THAT CAREFULLY AND HONESTLY COME BACK WITH THAT PIECE.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, AND I I THINK I'M, I'M NOT GONNA HAMMER ON THIS ONE.
I THINK I AGREE WITH A LOT OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK WHEN YOU DO HAVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON THE HIGHWAY QUESTION, I GENUINELY WORRY.
WE LITERALLY JUST GAVE BOND FUNDING.
THE, THE DEPARTMENT, THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT GAVE BOND FUNDING DO KATIE LOFTS WITHIN THAT BUFFER IN THE LAST YEAR.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY THIS YEAR THAT FOR ME IS EITHER WE'RE IN OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH OUR OWN PLANNING PRINCIPLES OR WE ARE, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES ARE.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND A REAL WAY OF ASSESSING THAT QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAVE BOND PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALONG THE HIGHWAYS.
WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALONG THE HIGHWAY.
WE COMMISSIONER, UH, THOMPSON, YOU WERE MENTIONING HOW WE ZONE SOMETHING.
WE LITERALLY ZONE SOMETHING ONE AND A HALF HOURS AGO IN THE 500 FOOT BUFFER TO RESIDENTIAL WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT BEING CONSISTENT.
SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE A LARGER POLICY CONVERSATION IN THIS CITY.
I THINK IT IS A WORTHY CONVERSATION TO HAVE, BUT WE SHOULD ASSESS IT IF IT IS INDEED STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, I'M GONNA MAKE A REQUEST THAT WE LOOK AT WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THAT IN THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN HI IN AREAS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY AND AREAS THAT ARE DISPLACEMENT RISKS.
SO I HOPE THAT STAFF CAN PROVIDE THAT DATA TO US LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CAPACITY NUMBERS AND SEEING HOW IT CHANGES FOR THAT BREAKUP.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD ASK IS IF STAFF CAN, UH, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION? I DUNNO IF I'M MAKING MYSELF CLEAR OR NOT.
IF I, IF I'M NOT, JUST LET ME KNOW.
OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT DATA IS ON SLIDE 13.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE WOULD BE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE DO INDEED DO THAT, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT OUR GOALS TO AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHER FAIR HOUSING? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL, UM, HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE.
BUT JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT AS I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP, AGAIN, JUST RUDIMENTARY LATER OPPORTUNITY AREAS IN TERMS OF REMOVING THAT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE USES THAT ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USES, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT USES CURRENTLY ARE NOT PERMITTED WITHIN VMU? I CANNOT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYONE AT CITY HALL WHO HAS, WHO HAS THOSE AT THEIR FINGERTIPS.
WE'RE LACKING STAFF HERE EXCEPT FOR MR. RIVERA.
UM, SO IT'S OKAY, WE CAN ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THIS LATER.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION TONIGHT, SO I'M NOT IN A RUSH TO GET THOSE ANSWERS.
UM, BUT I HOPE THAT WE CAN MATCH IT TO THE VMU ORDINANCE AGAIN CUZ WE KNOW IT WORKS.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S PROVIDED IN AFFORDABLE AMENITY WHILE ALSO ENSURING THAT WE PROTECT RESIDENTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I HOPEFULLY WE CAN MATCH IT TO THAT.
UM, AND ONE LAST POINT I'LL JUST QUICKLY MAKE IS, UM, THAT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE, UM, I I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HOW TO MAXIMIZE PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM.
SO IF WE CREATE A PROGRAM WHERE FOLKS CAN NOT PARTICIPATE, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.
UM, COMMISSIONER MUTAL RAISED THE POINT OF WHAT IS THAT PROPERTY? AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT, IT'S A PROPERTY LONG PANTHER HOLLOW.
I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LARGE COMMERCIAL TRACT, IT WILL LIKELY NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM BECAUSE OF OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS.
AND I KNOW IT'S VERY HARD TO MODEL THAT FOR CAPACITY, BUT I HOPE YOU CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PARCELS WOULD EVEN BE LIKELY TO USE THE PROGRAM ONE'S CREATED.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE TWO MORE SLOTS OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY CHAIR, A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
IF SOMEONE ELSE WAS SPEAKING, THAT'S FINE.
SO COMMISSIONER AAR HIT ON THE MAIN THING I WAS HOPING TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER, WHICH IS BULLET 0.3.
AND THE RESOLUTION I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MATCHING WHAT I JUST HEARD STAFF'S GOAL OF THIS ITEM WAS, WHICH WAS AS A WAY TO ADD HOUSING CAPACITY.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO NOW INCLUDE SITE AREA REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT DRIVES DOWN UNIT YIELD DRIVES UP THE SIZE OF UNITS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD KEEP SITE SITE AREA REQUIREMENTS IN A PROGRAM WHERE THE GOAL IS TO ADD HOUSING CAPACITY.
SO I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY MATCH BMU STANDARDS A LITTLE BIT BETTER OR AT LEAST HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE'RE TRYING TO DISSUADE HOUSING FROM THAT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS MIGHT NOT BE HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER THAT, BUT, UH, YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER.
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ALL THE BENEFITS REALLY OF VMU.CUZ IF WE, CUZ I ALSO A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE IF WE WANNA MAXIMIZE PARTICIPATION HERE AND WE DON'T WANT 'EM DISSUADE THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE SHOWED THIS TO A COUPLE OF FOLKS WHO TOLD ME ALL THIS MEANS IS PEOPLE HAVE TO JUST STILL GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS, WHICH THE GOAL IS TO STAY BURDENSOME AND TO NOT DELIVER ENOUGH HOUSING.
MAYBE THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ULTIMATE GOAL HERE.
SO, UM, OH, AND THEN, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS LINE AT ALL.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME THE EXAMINE WAYS TO EXCLUDE RESIDENTIAL USES FROM LOCATED NEAR CERTAIN CS AND CS ONE USES.
CAN STAFF EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ME? UH, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE NOXIOUS USES PORTION? NO, I THINK THAT'S A COMMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, BUT WE, WHAT WHAT WE DID IN THE SLIDE THAT ERICA SHARED WAS, UM, WE LISTED BOTH THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES THAT TYPICALLY THE ZONING, UM, STAFF USE, UH, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT CASE BY CASE, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL ZONING CASES NEAR, UM, INDUSTRIAL OR, UM, COMMERCIAL HEAVY, HEAVY COMMERCIALS.
THOSE ARE USES THAT THEY GAVE US THAT, UM, KIND OF WE MIGHT, WE WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, NOT BE LOCATED, I THINK THEY USE THE, THE DISTANCE OF 500 FEET WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL USE.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'D BE FINE JUST TO INCLUDE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO ACTUALLY CHANGE OR DIS YOU KNOW, NOT INCLUDE CERTAIN PROPERTIES, BUT JUST TO HAVE THAT OVERARCHING RULE AND THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY FINE.
I THINK AUSTIN FIRE KIND OF DRIVES WITH THAT SAME MANDATE, SO I MUST WONDER IF THAT'S ALREADY DONE.
IT JUST SEEMS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GO AND FIND A TON OF HOUSE FOR PROPERTIES AND ELIMINATE THEM, I JUST THINK WE'RE GONNA ACCIDENTALLY ELIMINATE A TON OF POTENTIAL HOUSING.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT HAVE HOUSING IN A BAD SPOT NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, A CHEMICAL FLAMMABLE CHEMICAL THING.
BUT I, I KNOW WE DO A GOOD JOB I THINK AS STAFF AND AS A CITY OF LOOKING INTO THOSE THINGS.
SO HOPEFULLY JUST A GENERAL RULE LIKE THAT WOULD COVER ALL THAT.
IF NO ONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS WE CAN START ASKING AGAIN
SO I MEAN, IN, IN, IN HEARING EVERYBODY, I MEAN I, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE I WAS THINKING IN, UM, THAT STAFF'S APPROACH WAS KI WAS LIKE A SMALL STEP APPROACH BECAUSE I'M READING THIS THING AND I'M LIKE, CONSIDERING ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 25 DECREE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS PROGRAM AND ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON COMMERCIALLY OWN PROPERTIES.
SO I'M LIKE, OH, OKAY, WELL WHEN AM I GONNA HEAR THE OTHER STUFF? BECAUSE JUST KIND OF ALLOWING THAT LITTLE MU IN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PROPERTIES, NOT WITHIN ESPECIALLY THE CORRIDOR, SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST THIS LITTLE INCREMENTAL STEP.
AND THEN I WAS THINKING, I'M GONNA HEAR SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY LIKE WITHIN THAT 500 FEET, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER MICHELLE WAS POINT OUT.
I MEAN, I MEAN WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING STUFF ON, ON TRANSIT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE REALLY REINFORCED TO INFRASTRUCTURE OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE.
I MEAN IT'S, THERE'S ALL OF THAT.
AND I WAS THINKING THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR SOMETHING MORE ABOUT A VMU ASPECT OF THIS THING.
AND UM, IS, WAS THAT THE INTENT THAT MAYBE YOU STAY OUT OF THE 500 FEET SO THEN THE LAST 500 FEET COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR SOMETHING MORE LIKE A VMU? YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT MAYBE A WAY TO DO IT? LIKE I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT VMU ON SOME COMMERCIAL LANDS THAT'S TOO FAR INTERNAL TO CERTAIN AREAS, BUT VMU HAS A PURPOSE TO BE ALONG CERTAIN CORRIDORS AND HUBS.
SO WAS THAT A WAY TO KEEP THAT BUFFER AVAILABLE FOR POTENTIAL CHANGE? BECAUSE IF YOU DO, AND SORRY, IN MY MIND I'M THINKING IF YOU PUT MU ON IT, THEN MAYBE SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT COME BACK AND ASK FOR VMU.
I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT SOME THOUGHT PROCESS IN THE NEXT STEP OF PLANNING? AND I HOPE, YOU KNOW, WE HEAD THAT WAY.
AND, AND BY VMU DO YOU MEAN ADDITIONAL HEIGHT OR DO YOU JUST MEAN THE, THE VMU STANDARDS? THE VMU STANDARDS, RIGHT.
CUZ VMU STANDARDS, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE NOT LIMITED ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT USING SITE AREA FOR DENSITY, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
AND SO, AND, AND EVEN IN VMU THERE'S POTENTIALLY HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, DENSITY BONUS STUFF BUILT INTO THAT.
WHEREAS CURRENTLY WHAT YOU HAVE WITH THE MU THERE'S NOT REALLY A DENSITY BONUS, IT'S JUST AN ALLOWABLE USE.
THAT'S BACK TO SOMETHING I WOULD'VE
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GOTTEN UNDER MU ANYWAY.THERE'S NO, I GUESS I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS REALLY ANY BONUS.
IT WAS JUST KIND OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE SMALL MOVEMENT OF THE NEEDLE.
WELL IT JUST ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL TO BE BUILT RIGHT ON, ON PROPERTIES WHERE IT'S NOT ALLOWED NOW, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ZONING CHANGE.
BUT, UM, I DO THINK WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE MU VERSUS VMU AGAIN.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER I, UH, HOW WE GOT TO MU UM, SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK.
AND, AND WHEN IS THIS SLATED TO GO BACK TO COUNSEL WITH WHATEVER WE RECOMMEND? DECEMBER ONE? WELL, SO CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER ONE.
SO IS THERE A TIME FOR YOU GUYS TO, I DON'T KNOW, AND, AND EVEN CONSIDERING WHAT, UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE, YOU KNOW, MENTION ABOUT WHAT COUNCIL'S ASKING FOR.
IS THERE A TIME TO REVISIT, UM, KIND OF THAT CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU KNOW OF, OF, OF THAT ADDITIONAL, UH, HOUSING ALONG THOSE AREAS? I MEAN, IS THERE TIME TO LOOK AT THAT AND COME BACK TO US? I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE TIME'S SH TIGHT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A NICE EXPLORATION BLUSH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HIGHWAYS NOW OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VMU VERSUS MU AS THE BASE ENTITLEMENT? SO I, I WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE, I MEAN, BUT CUZ I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT COMMISSIONER HARD THE, THE PART THAT SPECIFIC CLAUSE THAT COUNSEL HAD AS PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT AND MAYBE WE SHOULD BE AT LEAST HAVING SOME WAY TO ADDRESS IT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNSEL.
DO YOU WANNA READ THAT REAL QUICK? THE, THE VMU PART? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IT'S PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE DESIGN STANDARDS, SO SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS, SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND DESIGN STANDARDS SIMILAR TO THOSE, THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS CURRENTLY APPLICABLE TO VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
AND, AND THAT'S THE PART THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM JUST USING THE SITE AREA.
YOU KNOW, 800 FEET FOR ONE BEDROOM, TWO, YOU KNOW, 1200 FEET FOR WHATEVER.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S VERY DISTINCT TO GO THE VMU STANDARD VERSUS THE STANDARD, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, MF APPROACH.
SO ANYWAY, I HOPE THERE'S TIME, BUT
THERE'S, UM, SO WE DO HAVE ONE MORE SLOT FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT ASKED ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYONE WANTS TO TAKE THAT.
IF NOT THEN UM, WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER COX AND THEN COMMISSIONER ZAR.
OH, SORRY, I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION, BUT IF THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS ZAR THIS MORE FOR COMMENT AND I HOPE STAFF CAN JUST LOOK INTO THAT, THAT PARCEL THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ALDER POINTED ONCE YOU MENTIONED IT, IT KIND OF STUCK ON IN MY BRAIN.
SO THIS IS OFF OF 2222 AND I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT'S, ID IS 7 5 0 51 AND IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPMENT RESERVE.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ZONING PARCELS IDENTIFIED BY COUNCIL AND DEVELOPMENT RESERVE IS NOT IN THERE.
SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT OUR CAPACITY MAPS TO MAKE SURE EITHER I'M MISTAKEN OR SOMEWHERE THERE'S BEEN AN ERROR.
I JUST HOPE AS STAFF LOOKS AT THAT DATA WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
AND AGAIN, I, I'LL MENTION THAT THIS IS DEVELOPMENT RESERVE, SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS GIANT PARCEL IN TOWARDS THE WEST, CLOSER TO THE LAKE ITSELF.
AND TO BE CLEAR ON THAT MAP, THE, THE GRAY PARCELS ARE THE ONES THAT WE DO RECOMMEND BEING ABLE TO USE, UH, THE NEW OPTION, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
IT'S THE RED ALONG THE, ON ALONG THE HIGHWAYS THAT WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING.
AND I'M JUST, I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DATA AND I THINK OUR DATA MIGHT BE FLAWED OR I'M MISTAKEN CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT A STATIC MAP AGAINST OUR ZONING MAP.
SO OUR NUMBERS FOR LAND THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM SHOULD NOT EVEN INCLUDE THAT.
SO THE ACREAGE WOULD ACTUALLY DROP SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE IT'S DEVELOPED IN RESERVE.
AND I, THAT'S JUST ONE PARCEL I'VE LOOKED AT.
I CANNOT SAY IF THERE'S OTHER ONES, UM, THERE AS WELL.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UH, LOOK AT THE DATABASE ITSELF.
COMMISSIONER COX? YEAH, I'LL THROW OUT A MOTION, SEE IF IT GETS A SECOND.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE ACTION ON THIS ITEM UNTIL A TIME AFTER THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND ENVIRONMENTAL
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COMMISSION HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS ITEM AND TO GIVE STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE COMMISSION'S PLANNING COMMISSIONS, QUESTIONS REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY, YIELD DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND UH, WHATEVER ELSE I FORGOT.TO INCORPORATE A POSTPONEMENT, YOU MUST HAVE A DATE.
CERTAIN MM-HMM
AND THIS BODY CANNOT DICTATE TO ANOTHER SOVEREIGN COMMISSION TO REVIEW MATTER.
DID YOU HEAR THAT COMMISSIONER COX? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? I WAS TRYING TO HEAR PART OF IT TOO.
WE, WE COULD RECOMMEND, RIGHT? BUT YOU CAN'T DICTATE, RIGHT? WE CAN RECOMMEND A DATE CERTAIN, BUT WE CAN'T DICTATE ANOTHER, UH, BODY TO TAKE UP AN ITEM.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I USE THE TERM HAS BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
NOT THAT WE ARE REQUIRING THEM TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BASED ON THE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION, THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS EXISTS.
SO, UM, THE PROCEDURE IS FOR A CODE AMENDMENT.
THIS WAS REVIEWED AT THE CODES AND S JOINT COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A, UM, SUBSET OF BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ZONING PLANNING COMMISSION.
BY CODE, THE ZONING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROVIDES THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PROCEDURE.
SO AGAIN, FOR A POSTPONEMENT, YOU'LL NEED A, UM, TIME, CERTAIN LOCATION AND, UH, A DATE.
SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION, JUST ALL OF THE STUFF THAT I SAID.
UM, BUT, BUT JUST PUT A DATE IN THERE OF DECEMBER 13TH, 2022.
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO DECEMBER 13TH, 2022 TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FOR STAFF TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S QUESTIONS.
OKAY, WE HAVE A, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MUSH TOLER.
UM, CAN I MAKE A, CAN I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? YEAH.
I ACTUALLY WANTED TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE ALSO, BUT GO AHEAD.
I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO POSTPONE IT TO NOVEMBER 8TH.
IF, IF WE DON'T FEEL ON THAT DAY THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, WE CAN EXTEND IT AGAIN.
UM, THAT, BUT THAT WAY WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IF, IF IF PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, COME BACK AND, AND HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WE'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO POSTPONE IT AGAIN IF, IF WE WEREN'T READY.
BUT I THINK THE LATER THAT MONTH WE HAVE A, A CONSENSUS ONLY, CONSENT ONLY AGENDA.
IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIR COMMISSION IS ON ANDREW, OUR YOU ON NOVEMBER 15TH, THERE IS A CONSENT ONLY AGENDA.
SO, SO, SO I, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY TIME WE'LL HAVE THIS, THIS NEXT MONTH TO DISCUSS IT.
COUNSEL, WOULD, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY IT'S SCHEDULED TO GO ON DECEMBER 1ST, SO I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT IN MORE DEPTH WITH POSSIBLE FEEDBACK FROM STAFF ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT AND, AND MAYBE FEEDBACK FROM STAFF ON WHETHER OR NOT THESE OTHER COMMISSIONS WOULD, WOULD TAKE IT UP AT SOME POINT, WHETHER IT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN IT WAS ON THEIR AGENDA.
AND THEN WE COULD AGAIN, POSTPONE IT IF WE WANTED TO, OR, YOU KNOW, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNSEL ON THE FIRST.
WE GOT, SO WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHAY ON COMMISSIONER THOMPSON'S, UH, SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO POSTPONE UNTIL NOVEMBER 8TH.
JUST FOR THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE BODY, UM, WE HAVE RESERVED CHAMBERS IF, UH, THE BODY DESIRES TO, UM, UH, HOLD IT FOR A MEETING ON NOVEMBER 29TH, IT'S A SPECIAL, IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL CALL.
UM, AND IT'S AVAILABLE IF THE COMMISSION DESIRES.
SO IT'S STILL LIKE, I MEAN, I THINK DOING IT ON THE EIGHTH, IF WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY WE CAN GET FEEDBACK
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FROM STAFF, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE VMU SITE AREA REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER THEY THINK THOSE ARE A GOOD IDEA OR NOT, WHETHER OR NOT ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS ARE LIKELY TO TAKE IT UP ON THEIR AGENDA.YOU HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HEAR US HEAR THIS AND MAYBE WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM PERSONALLY AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO, AND WE WOULD JUST DECIDE AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT POSTPONE IT AGAIN TO THE, YOU KNOW, CALL A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON THE 29TH WHERE WE MAY HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING A QUORUM OR, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOMETHING TO PASS WITH THE MAJORITY IF WE HAVE A, A, A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THERE.
UM, OR, OR JUST SEND IT, YOU KNOW, POSTPONE IT TO A, A LATER DATE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ARE, SO I'M GONNA SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
I, I AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER THOMPSON AND SHARE IS SAYING.
WE CAN POSTPONE IT TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND COME BACK TO IT.
I WOULD STILL HIGHLY ENCOURAGE OUR STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT NOVEMBER 29TH MEETING, UM, AND SEE IF WE HAVE AVAILABILITY.
AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THIS IS A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY HERE THAT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING FOR THIS COUNCIL IS DECEMBER 8TH.
ANYTHING AFTER THAT, AND THIS COUNCIL CANNOT VOTE ON IT.
WE HAVE FOUR TO SIX PEOPLE ROLLING OFF WHO INITIATED THESE CHANGES AND HAVE WORKED ON THEM FOR, AT THIS 0.8 YEARS AND WE WOULD DROP THEM OF THE CHANCE OF VOTING ON THIS.
AND THAT IS WHY I THINK COUNCIL HAD REALLY ASKED FOR THIS TO COME FORWARD WITH IMMEDIACY.
AND I DO WANNA WANNA SAY WE HAVE FOLLOWED COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WHEN IT CAME TO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE MADE SURE IT GOT TO THEM ON TIME, THE COMMERCIAL PARKLAND RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT WE MADE SURE IT GOT TO THEM ON THEIR TIME BECAUSE THEY HAD SET IT ON THEIR AGENDA.
SO I HOPE THAT WITH THIS WE CAN SHOW COUNCIL THE SAME GRACE, UM, AND ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS BEFORE THEIR NEW COLLEAGUES JOIN THEM NEXT YEAR.
SO I DO THINK LOOKING AT THIS DECEMBER 8TH, UM, LOOKING IN NOVEMBER 8TH ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.
STILL GIVES US FLEXIBILITY IF WE NEED TO DO A SPECIAL CALL MEETING TO ACHIEVE THE SAME GOAL.
I WOULD ALSO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR STAFF THAT, UM, THE NEXT ZAP AND THE NEXT ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETINGS WOULD BE NEXT WEEK, TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.
SO THAT MEANS THEIR DOESN'T HAVE TO BE POSTED BY THIS FRIDAY.
AND I HOPE THAT OUR STAFF CAN WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LISA'S STAFF BRIEFING IS PROVIDED TO THEM.
UM, TO LET YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER COX, UM, THE ZAP COMMISSIONER HAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED A BRIEFING FROM MR. DUTTON AT CODES AND ORDINANCES.
SO I THINK IT'S LIKELY TO GO TO THEM AT SOME POINT BECAUSE THEY WANTED IT.
AND I HOPE WE CAN SHOW THIS, OUR STAFF CAN WORK WITH ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION TO ACHIEVE THE SAME GOAL.
YOU HAVE ANY ONE SPEAKING AGAINST THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER COX? I, I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE FACT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS THIS, BUT ZAP SEES A LOT OF DIFFERENT CASES THAN WE DO.
UM, THE WAY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ZAP ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE BROKEN OUT IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS AND NOT NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS.
SO WHEN SPEAKING TO MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT, 10 95% OF THE ZONING CASES IN DISTRICT 10 ARE TAKEN UP BY ZAP, NOT BY PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA OF THE PRACTICAL IMPACTS OF THIS KIND OF CHANGE THAN I WOULD ON THE DISTRICT THAT I'M ACTUALLY REPRESENTING.
AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY, I UNDERSTAND THE CODE REVISION PROCESS, THAT SORT OF STUFF, BUT, BUT, BUT THIS IMPACTS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND ZAP AND IN EVERYTHING THAT THEY WOULD DO, JUST AS IT WOULD IMPACT US.
AND SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS, EVEN IF I SUPPORTED THE CONCEPT OF IT, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS IF WE DID NOT GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS IN AS MUCH TIME AS WE'RE REQUESTING, UM, AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS.
CUZ I FOUND I FIND A LOT OF VALUE IN THAT, AND I DO NOT THINK, I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S LIKE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BOTH OF THEM TAKE THIS UP BEFORE NOVEMBER 8TH MEETING.
SO I, I WOULD SUPPORT THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING IF THAT'S AN OPTION.
BUT I THINK NOVEMBER 8TH IS NOT, IS NOT FEASIBLE AT ALL.
AND IF IT COMES BACK TO US ON NOVEMBER 8TH, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT IF ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND APP HAVEN A HAD AN OPPORTUNITY.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHAA HAS HIS HAND UP.
UM, I'M GONNA SPEAK, OH, I MEAN, I SECOND IT.
SO, UM, I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING DOES NOT DISALLOW WHAT COMMISSIONER COX WAS TALKING ABOUT.
MY, MY CONCERN IS WE ARE SUCH ON A TIMELINE AND WE GOTTA GET THIS TO WORK.
IF WE GET TO THE NOVEMBER 29TH AND WE FIND OUT THAT, OH, DARN, WE NEEDED SOME OTHER REVIEW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SECOND CHANCE PUTTING IT ON NOVEMBER 8TH, CAN AT LEAST GET STAFF TO COME BACK TO ADDRESS OUR QUESTIONS AND ADDRESS LIKE, YES, WE ARE ON THIS DATE OR THIS MEETING WITH, UH, WHATEVER
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COMMISSION.BUT YOU KNOW, I I COMPLETELY DO AGREE WITH THAT.
WE DO NEED THESE OTHER COMMISSIONS TO, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE SOME INPUT ON THAT.
BUT I JUST, I'M JUST AFRAID OF PUTTING IT SO FAR OUT TO NOT GIVE US THAT, THAT, THAT BUFFER TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND I, AND, AND I DO WANT STAFF TO REALLY COME UP WITH A PLAN.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTENT AND WHY WE WERE, THIS WAS DONE JUST AS A SMALL, TINY STEP, UM, OF, OF JUST ALLOWING HOUSING VERSUS MAKING AN IMPACT.
AND WHEN IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL WANTED TO DO THAT, AND I'M HOPING THAT THEY'LL HAVE SOME REASON WHY OR POTENTIALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO INCREASE, UM, THE SCOPE OF WHAT, WHAT THEY BROUGHT TO US.
AND AGAIN, IF WE WAITED TILL THE 29 TO TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S TOO LATE.
AND THAT'S WHY I, I, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THIS CHECK IN WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, ON NOVEMBER 8TH AND THEN, UH, DECIDE WHAT TO DO.
AND MOST LIKELY, I MEAN, I, I PROBABLY WON'T BE VOTING TO SUPPORT IT OR NOT SUPPORT IT, THEN I'M PROBABLY GONNA, UH, KEEP ASKING MORE QUESTIONS AND LET IT GO ON TO THE 29.
BUT I DO WANT TO HEAR ON THE EIGHTH.
UM, WE HAVE A SLOT AGAINST COMMISSIONER MUSH TOLER.
I, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT UNUSED OFFICE SPACE AND COMMERCIAL SPACE AND WAYS TO MAKE OUR CITY FUNCTION BETTER BY FILLING IN THE HOUSING.
SO I, I WANNA, AGAIN, SAY I'M, I'M REALLY GUNG HO ABOUT THE IDEA.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROCESS.
I THINK COMMISSIONER COX BROUGHT UP SOME IMPORTANT POINTS THAT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES HIT IN AREAS THAT HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FULFILLED.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THE GOODWILL AND INTENT THAT'S THERE ON THIS IS GONNA GET DERAILED BY, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER THINGS.
I, I ACTUALLY WAS GONNA GO THE OTHER WAY AND THIS IS GONNA SCARE PEOPLE, BUT I DON'T SEE A REASON TO RUSH IT THROUGH THIS COUNCIL.
THIS IS, THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE OUR TIME WITH IT.
AND IF IT TAKES US INTO THE NEXT COUNCIL, LET'S MAKE SURE IT GOES THERE COMPLETE AND ADDRESSES THIS.
I WAS GONNA SAY, LET'S PUSH IT BACK AND PUSH IT BACK INTO 2023.
I I THINK WE CAN GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS THROUGH.
I JUST, I THINK WE'VE BROUGHT UP SO MANY, I APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF'S DONE, BUT I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THEM A WHOLE LOT TO WORK ON AND WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM MUCH TIME TO, TO WORK WITH IT.
COMMISSIONER AND, OR BEFORE YOU SPEAK, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, UM, ON NOVEMBER 8TH, WE'LL LIKELY HAVE THE COMPATIBILITY CODE AMENDMENTS.
IS THAT RIGHT? CHAIR COMMISSION LEES ON ANDREW VER.
SO JUST A REAL QUICK GLANCE AT, UM, A FEW ITEMS, UH, HERE NOVEMBER 8TH.
UM, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE COMPATIBILITY CODE AMENDMENT WILL BE COMING, UH, FOR REVIEW.
UM, ALSO THE EQUITABLE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT POLICY PLAN.
UM, AND WE MAY BE TAKING UP A PUT ON THAT AND TAKING UP A PUT AS WELL.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I'M GETTING COMMENT.
HEY, UH, I LIKE THIS MOTION AND AS COMMISSIONER THOMPSON SAID, WE CAN EASILY POSTPONE IT BEFORE YOU ARE SO CHOOSING TO DO SO.
UM, THIS WAS HEARD AND PASSED BY THE CODE, THE CODE AND ORDINANCES JOINT COMMITTEE, OF WHICH THERE ARE THREE ZAP COMMISSIONERS ON.
AND THEY QUITE OFTEN ASK FOR THINGS TO GO THROUGH THEM, AND ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS ASK STAFF WHO WERE AT THAT MEETING PRESENTING TO US.
SO I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY WANT TO HEAR SOMETHING, THEY OFTEN TIMES DO THAT.
SO I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT US SPEEDING ALONG AND MISSING OUT ON ANYBODY.
BUT THE FACT IS, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTIES WHERE A LOT OF HOUSING WOULD BE AMAZING TO BUILD, BUT IT'S ILLEGAL TO DO SO BECAUSE OUR CODE IS AS OLD AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN JUST ABOUT COMMISSIONER ARE GO, I, I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE A GREAT COMMENT THAT I THINK THAT E DOT BALLSY DUAL, UM, I HOPE FOLKS CAN LOOK AT IT.
IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE GENE, SO IT'S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING.
IT IS NOT TECHNICALLY REQUIRED TO COME TO US, BUT IT IS BEING, UH, BROUGHT TO US FOR REVIEW.
I HOPE THAT CONSIDERING LOOKING AT THE AGENDA FOR DECEMBER OR NOVEMBER 8TH, I HOPE THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN LOOK AT THAT ITEM AHEAD OF TIME, DO SOME Q AND A AND PERHAPS EVEN, UM, MINIMIZE OUR Q AND A THAT DAY OR PASS IT ON CONSENT SO THAT COUNSEL CAN TAKE ACTION ON THAT.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE MORE SLOT FOR AGAINST, UM, COMMISSIONER JANIS PTO.
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JUST SECOND THE COMMENTS FROM MY OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.I DON'T THINK WE OWE THIS COUNSEL, UM, FINISHING THIS BEFORE ELECTION TIME.
I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, PROCESS AND I, I AGREE THAT I THINK THE PROCESS HAS BEEN FLAWED.
I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED WITH NOTIFICATION.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT THIS COULD BENEFIT TREMENDOUSLY FROM BETTER COMMUNITY PLANNING AT A SMALLER AREA LEVEL, OR AT LEAST WITH THE BUY-IN OF OTHER COM UH, COMMISSIONS FOR BOTH REASONS, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SITES THAT AREN'T APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THERE ALSO ARE OBVIOUSLY MANY SITES, SITES THAT MAY FALL WITHIN SOME OF THESE CON CURRENT CONSTRAINTS.
BUT UPON CLOSER REVISION OR COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER PARTICIPATION, WE MAY FIND THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME AND GET IT RIGHT.
UH, SO THAT'S ALL THE SLOTS WE HAVE FOR, FOR AND AGAINST ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
SO THAT IS ON THE TABLE TO VOTE, UM, FROM COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHAY TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO NOVEMBER 8TH.
SO IF WE WANT TO TAKE A VOTE, UM, ON FOUR, SO FOUR ON THE DICE, THOSE ONLINE 3, 3 4.
BUT ANDERSON'S GREEN, RIGHT? ANDERSON IS GREEN.
SO THAT'S 7 2 7 WITH TWO AGAINST AND ONE ABSTENTION.
SO, UM, THAT WILL GO TO THE NOVEMBER 8TH, UM, AGENDA.
ALL RIGHT, THOSE ARE ALL OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS.
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]
SO WE WILL NOW GO TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? COMMISSIONER AZAR, JERRY, LOOKING AT THIS, UM, CONVERSATION AGAIN TONIGHT, I THINK, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE OUR STAFF MIGHT BE ALREADY LOOKING INTO IT, BUT CAN WE LOOK INTO A SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON THE 29TH SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL THE DIFFERENT DATES AND GUIDELINES? NOTED.[BOARDS, COMMITTEES & WORKING GROUPS UPDATES ]
UM, WE CAN MOVE ON THEN TO BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND WORKING GROUP UPDATES, UH, CODES AND ORDINANCES, JOINT COMMITTEE, UH, SINCE CHAIR SEAN HEMPLE ARE OUT, UM, ANDERSON ARE AZA.WE, UM, WE GOT THE COMPATIBILITY ITEM AND THIS ITEM AND THEN WE LOOKED AT OUR, I WANNA SAY OUR HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS AND ONE MORE ITEM.
SO WE WERE, I DUNNO, COMMISSION IERSON, YOU CAN HELP ME.
SO THAT CODE AMENDMENT SHOULD BE HEADING US TO US SOMETIMES SOON AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO REVIEW THIS TIME.
UM, OKAY, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE.
WE DID NOT HAVE, UM, QUORUM FOR THE LAST MEETING LAST WEEK, SO WE HAVE MOVED THAT TO NOVEMBER 10TH.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT.
UM, JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, UH, ME TOMORROW.
SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE.
WE MET, UH, LAST WEEK WHEN WE REVIEWED THE, UH, PALM DISTRICT PLAN.
UM, HAD A LOT OF REALLY ROBUST DISCUSSION, A LOT ABOUT, UM, HOUSING THERE, FEE AND LI UM, YOU KNOW, THE COST TO LEVERAGE HOUSING THERE VERSUS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.
UH, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, A LOT OF THE CULTURAL ASPECT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE TO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY RICH AND CULTURE.
AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ALL OF THAT WAS, WAS CONSIDERED INSTEAD OF JUST SPECIFICALLY ONE CULTURE OR ANOTHER.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW THE DIVERSITY OF AUSTIN.
AND IT'S GONNA BE COMING TO US FOR REVIEW, SO OKAY.
UH, SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, WE HAD SOME UPDATES AND WE SAW, UH, WE HAD A, A, UM, RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT THE TIFF THAT THE CHAIR PUT FORWARD.
SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AGAIN NEXT TIME.
UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES, UPDATE WORKING GROUP.
UM, WELL, COMMISSIONER COHEN OR CHAIR COHEN.
YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE HERE FROM THE
UM, AND I'LL, WITH THE VICE CHAIR HOUSING, WE GET SOMETHING TOGETHER.
SO, UH, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH A A I A ABOUT, UM, HAVING
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A LISTENING SESSION WITH THEM AND SO TOMORROW, SO I JUST CONFIRMED, UM, TODAY FOR A MEETING TOMORROW, 1:00 PM AND RIGHT NOW, UM, I KNOW I HAVE COMMISSIONER COHEN, UM, COMMISSIONER ZA, I CAN MAKE IT, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.YOU SAID COMMISSIONER THOMPSON SAID YOU CAN MAKE IT.
I THINK ANDERSON AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHO ELSE CAN MAKE IT, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE A TEAMS MEETING OR ZOOM MEETING LINK YET, BUT, UM, UH, AT 1:00 PM TOMORROW IS IS THE TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE IS ABLE TO MAKE IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S ON THE WORKING GROUP, BUT
UH, AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE LINK CUZ I DON'T REMEMBER WHO'S, WE KIND OF VOTED THAT QUICKLY.
THAT'S, UH, ANDERSON IS OUR COHEN, HOWARD GIANNIS POLI POLITO.
SO IF YOU CAN MAKE IT, LET ME KNOW AND WHEN I GET THE LINK I WILL FORWARD IT TO YOU.
BUT, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I, I HAVE THOSE FEW CONFIRMED.
IS THIS THIS FOR LIKE THE, THE HOUSING OR IS THIS FOR THE, THE DISCOVERY GROUP? SO THIS IS JUST THE, THIS IS FOR THE ORIGINAL HOUSING WORKING GROUP CUZ THE SECOND GROUP WE CREATED WAS TO ADDRESS SOME OTHER THINGS COMING UP.
SO I THINK IT'S IS THAT ORIGINAL GROUP THAT WE RECONSTITUTED MAKING SURE CUZ IT'S ALL STARTING TO BLEND IT.
AND THERE'S EVEN CONCEPTS THAT ARE OVERLAPPING.
AND THEN I HAVE COUNSEL ASKING US TO ALSO REVIEW SOME OTHER STUFF.
I'M LIKE, I, I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER WORKING GROUP, BUT WHICH I'M ON ALSO.
WHICH YOU'RE ON ALSO LET, YEAH.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN MAKE AN OWL.
UM, CAN WE JUST MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY THAT THE MEMBERS OF THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM ISSUE? OKAY.
SO CAN YOU GO OVER THE REAL QUICK, UH, ANDERSON, EXCUSE ME.
ANDERSON, AAR, COHEN, HOWARD, GIANNIS, POLITO AND SHAY.
SO IF THOMPSON WOULD LIKE TO GO, THEN WE NEED, YEAH.
THEN WE NEED SOMEBODY TO, TO SIT AT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHO EMAILS ME BEFORE, HUH? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE IS ROOM FOR YOU CUZ I'LL, ALL WE HAVE IS THIS FOUR, UNLESS ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE GONNA GO, BUT I, I COULD LET YOU KNOW, UH, PROBABLY FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
SOTO, IS THAT YOU SAYING YOU CAN MAKE IT? STO YES.
SO AND THEN WELL I'M TRY, I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE, BUT I THINK I PERFECT.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS COX, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, UH, MIS HOWARD, CAN YOU MAKE IT OR CAN WE LET THOMPSON SIT IN? UM, WE DONE TOO.
LADIES, THE WORKING GROUP IS ALREADY, UH, LESS THAN A QUORUM.
SO EVERYONE CAN GO, SO EVERYBODY CAN GO.
UH, COMPATIBILITY AND RESIDENTIAL ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, WORKING GROUP.
WE WERE WAITING FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY AND SADLY WE COULD KNOCK ON THE COMPATIBILITY PRESENTATION THAT WE WILL GET ON THE EIGHTH.
UM, I, WE WILL, I WILL, THE WORKING GROUP SHOULD WAIT.
I WILL SEND OUT A DOODLE POLL TO SET UP OUR MEETINGS AND WE'LL LIKELY BE SCHEDULING SOME COMMUNITY LISTING SESSIONS NEXT WEEK AS WELL TO HAVE EVERYTHING ACCOMMODATED BEFORE THAT EIGHTH DEADLINE.
SO I WILL BE SENDING OUT A FLURRY OF EMAILS TOMORROW.
THANK YOU CHAIR, CHAIR, COMMISSION, LADIES ON EVERYONE WITH THAT WORKING GROUP, IF WE COULD HAVE THE, UM, WRITTEN, UH, ADOPTED AMENDMENTS, UH, BY, UM, UM, NOON, UH, FRIDAY, THE 4TH OF NOVEMBER.
I KNEW THAT THAT WOULD BE OUR DEADLINE.
WE'LL WORK OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, SHARED WITH YOU IN THAT AFTERNOON ON FRIDAY.
OKAY, WELL THAT IS THE END OF OUR AGENDA.
WE, WE MADE IT THROUGH WITHOUT CHAIR SHAW.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR UH, GOOD JOB.
WE'RE HELPING OUT AND THANK YOU.
WE ARE ADJOURNING AT WHAT TIME IS IT? 8 37.