* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order] [00:00:02] PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THE NOVEMBER 8TH MEETING, 2022 TO ORDER AT 6:10 PM UH, WE'LL START WITH, UM, ROLL CALL, AND I'M GONNA GO WITH THE, UH, FOLKS HERE ON THE DIAS. UM, ON MY LEFT, WE'LL START LEFT. UH, MY LEFT TO RIGHT. UM, YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HERE, YOUR CHAIR, CHAIR SHAW AND, UH, COMMISSIONER AAR HERE. UH, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER SHAY. YES. LET ME, UH, GO OVER TO THE VIRTUAL SPACE HERE. WE'VE GOT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, JANNI POLITO PRESENT, UH, VICE CHAIR HEMPLE HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER COX HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER MUTO HERE. COMMISSIONER FLORES HERE. AND I SEE, UM, COMMISSIONER HOWARD, UH, SEE YOUR NAME THAT I DON'T SEE YOUR FACE. UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET YOU ON THE SCREEN HERE SHORTLY AND GIMME ONE MOMENT WHERE, UM, SO WE ARE, UH, THAT BRINGS US TO, LET ME JUST GET COUNT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 10, 10, UH, MEMBERS RIGHT NOW. AND WHEN COMMISSIONER HOWARD COMES ON, THAT'LL MAKE IT 11. OKAY. UH, SO WANNA JUST QUICK NOTICE, WE'VE, UM, UH, WE HAVE GOT, UH, THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE, UH, PARTICIPANTS IN THE AUDIENCE AND VIRTUALLY AS WELL. AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS ON THE DIAS AND PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY AS WELL. AND, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY HERE, AS WE GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA, SOMETIMES WE ARRANGE SOME OF THE ORDER THAT COULD HAPPEN. UH, AND ONCE WE SETTLE ON THE ORDER OF THE ITEMS AND DECIDE WHAT'S ON CONSENT OR NOT, UM, THEN AT THAT TIME, IF YOUR ITEM IS NOT THE FIRST ONE, AND I THINK WE HAVE, LET ME JUST, UH, ROLL BACK. WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ITEMS WHERE WE WILL DISCUSS WHETHER TO TAKE THE ITEMS UP THIS EVENING OR POSTPONE THOSE TO A ANOTHER DATE THAT WE WILL, UM, WE WILL IDENTIFY HERE THIS EVENING. SO PLEASE WAIT ON THAT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE ITEM WILL BE, UM, DISCUSSED THIS EVENING OR NOT. UH, THEN WE'LL GET INTO, UM, WE'LL ALSO TALK ABOUT THE ORDER. AND ONCE WE DO THAT, UM, YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST ITEM, UH, YOU CAN GO OUT TO THE ATRIUM. YOU WILL GET AN EMAIL IF YOU'RE, IF YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, FROM MR. RIVERA, UH, LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THE ITEM'S ABOUT 10 TO 15 MINUTES OUT. SO, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ALL OF YOUR TIME HERE IF YOU'RE NOT THE, UH, FIRST ITEM UP ON THE AGENDA. SO WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE, LET ME SEE IF I'VE GOT THE LIST. UM, I DON'T KNOW MR. RIVERA, I'M NOT SEEING THE, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE, UH, [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION] PUBLIC COMMUNICATION THIS EVENING. SURE. ON MY EMAIL. OKAY. UH, CHAIR, UM, HAPPY TO ASSIST WITH, UH, THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. SO WE BEGIN, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION WITH, UM, CURTIS ROGERS. THANK YOU, MS. ROGERS. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THIS EVENING. UM, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND HAPPY ELECTION NIGHT. I KNOW PARTON COMES UP OFTEN AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SPEAK TO A SINGLE AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO IT AND I WANTED TO SPEAK AS FAR AS THE LIST OF CITIES THAT HAVE NO LONGER REQUIRED PARKING. I'M GONNA READ OFF THE LIST OF CITIES REALLY QUICKLY. ALAMEDA, CALIFORNIA, ALMAR, NORTH CAROLINA, ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN, BANDERA, TEXAS BASS TRIP, TEXAS, BRANSON, MISSOURI, BRIDGEPORT, CONNECTICUT, BUFFALO, NEW YORK, CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS, CANAND, DEUA, NEW YORK, CULVER CITY, CALIFORNIA, DOVER, NEW HAMPSHIRE, DUNWOODY, GEORGIA E-COURSE, MICHIGAN, EMERYVILLE, CALIFORNIA, HARTFORD, CONNECTICUT, HUDSON, NEW YORK, JACKSON, TENNESSEE, LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY. MANONA, MICHIGAN. MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA. PORTLAND, OREGON, RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA, RIVER ROUGE, MICHIGAN, SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, SEABROOK, NEW HAMPSHIRE, SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA, AND WEST ALICE, WISCONSIN. NOW, NONE OF THESE CITIES ARE MANDATING PARKING FOR THEIR HOMES AND BUSINESSES, BUT THEY ALL HAVE PARKING IS, PARKING IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE IS THEY'RE NOT BURDENING THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS. SO THEY'RE ABLE TO MOVE MORE EFFICIENTLY. THEY'RE NOT BURDENING THE HOMEOWNERS, THEY'RE NOT BURDENING THE BUILDERS SO THEY CAN BUILD MORE [00:05:01] EFFICIENTLY AND MORE AFFORDABLY, AND THEY'RE NOT BURDENING THE SMALL BUSINESSES SO THEY CAN USE THEIR SPACE MORE EFFICIENTLY. IT FEELS LIKE AUSTIN IS ALREADY LATE TO THIS PARTY. I JUST REALLY DON'T WANT US TO BE LAST PARKING REFORM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, NOW, WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MR. STEWART HIRSCH CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS STUART HARRY HIRSCH. AND FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, LIKE MOST IN AUSTIN, I RENTED, I'VE RECEIVED A NOTICE OF A PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 8TH, 2022, AND FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2022 FOR PARKING STANDARDS AND COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD IMPACT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY ON DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTIES. BUT I'VE SIGNED FOR CITIZENS COMMUNICATION BECAUSE WHAT IS NOT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA OR THE COUNCIL AGENDA IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THESE COMMERCIAL SITES COMPLY WITH SMART HOUSING STANDARDS. SMART HOUSING IS NOT JUST THE OPPOSITE OF STUPID HOUSING. IT STANDS FOR SAFE, MIXED INCOME, ACCESSIBLE, REASONABLY PRICED AND TRANSIT ORIENTED. AND IT'S BEEN THE CITY POLICY ADOPTED BY COUNCIL SINCE APRIL 20TH, 2000. UH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH SMART HOUSING, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEET THEN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, AS MANY PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES HAVING ACCESS BECAUSE THE A IN SMART HOUSING STANDS FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND REQUIRES 10% OF THE UNITS TO BE ACCESSIBLE. AND THAT ALSO AFFECTS THOSE OF US WHO ARE SENIORS WHO ALSO NEED SOME OF THE SAME FEATURES THAT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES HAVE. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU TALK ABOUT HOUSING IN TERMS OF BEING INCOME RESTRICTED, THEN YOU MISS THE, OUR PART OF SMART HOUSING, WHICH IS REASONABLY PRICED, WHICH MEANS NOT ONLY ARE THERE INCOME RESTRICTIONS IN TWO IN TERMS OF YOUR AFFORDABILITY, BUT THERE'S ALSO MAXIMUM RENTS AND MAXIMUM MORTGAGE. UH, BUT THESE NEIGHBORS WOULD ALL BE EXCLUDED AS WELL IF THE SMART HOUSING REQUIREMENT CANNOT BE AN AMENDMENT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND I KNOW WHEN YOU'LL GET TO THAT LATER IN THE MEETING, YOU'LL GET SOME LEGAL ADVICE ON THAT. THEN IT'S GOTTA BE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, WHICH COMES OUT AS THE LAST ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SO, CITY STAFF APPEARS TO SUPPORT AMENDMENT THAT MAKE COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES NEAR HIGHWAYS INELIGIBLE FOR REGULATORY RELIEF. WHILE THIS MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE WHEN FEDERAL FUNDS FROM HUD ARE FUNDING SOURCES, THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE WHEN NON-FEDERAL FUNDS ARE USED TO INVEST IN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN THE 21ST CENTURY. I REPORTED TO WORK HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME 45 YEARS AGO LAST MONTH. SO I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THE CHANGES IN FEDERAL AND CITY REGULATIONS. AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE 500 FOOT RULE WAS BASED ON WHAT WE DID IN THE LAST CENTURY AND SHOULDN'T BE WHAT WE DO IN THIS CENTURY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ONE, I HEAR FROM HIS MONICA GUZMAN COMMUNICATIONS FOR THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING. UM, CHAIR COMMISSIONER SHAW ESTEEM COMMISSIONERS HERE IN PERSON AND VIRTUALLY, I BELIEVE THIS IS MY FIRST TIME EVER SPEAKING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT CERTAINLY NOT WITH, AND BEFORE ANY OF Y'ALL, UH, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. I WISH I COULD SHOW THIS TO EVERYBODY WHO COULD SEE THIS. YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE IT. FOR THOSE OF US WHO REGISTERED, I OPPOSE THE FORMAT THAT YOU'RE BEING, THAT YOU'RE USING. YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL, BUT I THINK IT STILL NEEDS TO BE HEARD. ONE, IT LACKS LANGUAGE ACCESSIBILITY, ENGLISH ONLY EVEN THE CITY COUNCIL FORM STACK HAS ENGLISH AND SPANISH TWO, YOU ASK FOR OUR MAILING ADDRESS. NOW, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I CAN'T COMPLAIN HAVING RUN FOR PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC OFFICE. YOU HAVE TO KNOW MY ADDRESS. HOWEVER, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND I'LL PUT IT PLAINLY, WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS OR THE CITY WHERE I GET MY MAIL? YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT DISTRICT I LIVE IN? ASK THAT QUESTION INSTEAD. BUT PLEASE DON'T BE ASKING FOR PEOPLE'S MAILING ADDRESS BECAUSE THAT MAY SCARE PEOPLE. BECAUSE THEIR MAILING ADDRESS IS MORE THAN OFTEN THEIR HOME ADDRESS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IMMIGRANT DOCUMENTED AND UNDOCUMENTED COMMUNITY. WE HAVE REFUGEES THAT MAY SCARE THEM FROM SPEAKING UP EVEN WHEN THEY'RE EXTREMELY PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING ON YOUR AGENDA. THE OTHER IS, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SPEAK ON [00:10:01] MORE THAN ONE ITEM. I LOVED IT WHEN CITY COUNCIL FINALLY MADE IT BY HOLDING DOWN THE SHIFT OR CONTROL BUTTON, SELECTING MULTIPLE ITEMS. I HAD TO SUBMIT FOUR REGISTRATIONS FOR TONIGHT. FOUR. THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. THE OTHER THING I LOVE ABOUT THE CITY, ONE IS THE TOPIC BOX AT THE BOTTOM. BECAUSE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ONE, I MAY BE IN FAVOR OF ONE THING BUT NOT ANOTHER. NOW GRANTED, MULTIPLE REGISTRATIONS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT, BUT IT'S STILL AN INCONVENIENCE. USE A COMMENT BOX AT THE BOTTOM THAT WAY, IF I HAVE TO STATE FAVOR POSE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, I CAN DETAIL IT AT THE BOTTOM. IT'D ALSO BE NICE TO HAVE A NEUTRAL OPTION BECAUSE I MAY NOT HAVE AN OPINION IN TERMS OF FOR OR AGAINST. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. SO AGAIN, PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER CHANGING THE FORMAT YOU USE TO MAKE IT MORE LANGUAGE ACCESSIBLE, MORE USER-FRIENDLY, AND HOPEFULLY DOES NOT LIMIT OR PREVENT PEOPLE FROM FEELING COMFORTABLE IN PARTICIPATING IN THE PUBLIC PROCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE OUT HERE FROM MS. CYNTHIA VASQUEZ. WHAT'S GOING ON NOW? IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE. THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE WAS DURING THE SUMMER, AND I'M GONNA BRING IT BACK TO THE REGISTRATION PROCESS. AND I AM DOWN WITH EVERYTHING MONICA SAID ABOUT THE PROCESS. HOW ARE WE GONNA COME? OH, LET ME REMIND YOU WHO I AM. I'M CYNTHIA VA CUZ I'VE BEEN DISPLACED OUT OF MY 78,702 NEIGHBORHOOD INTO 78,000 7 44, WHERE I NOW LIVE IN ONION CREEK PLANTATION OFF OF DIXIE ROAD. SO THERE'S WORK THERE. UM, BUT THE REGISTRATION PROCESS. SO MY FAMILY IS TRYING TO, TRYING TO SAVE OUR LAST TWO IN THE EAST SIDE. THEY'RE FALLING APART. SO WHEN YOU ASK FOR MY MAILING ADDRESS, I'M NOT GONNA PUT IT ON THERE. PEOPLE PASS BY OUR HOUSES, THEY CHECK OUT OUR YARDS, THEY START COMPLAINING TO CODE. SO WHY WOULD I DIVULGE THAT INFORMATION HERE? SO PLEASE ADHERE TO SOME OF THE PRACTICES AND STANDARDS THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL HAVE ALREADY DEVELOPED BECAUSE THEY'RE HONORING THE INTEGRITY OF THE WORK AND THE RELENTLESS, RELENTLESS CONTINUOUS SHOWING UP OF ADVOCATING FOR THIS KIND OF SPACE. WHERE'S THE INTEGRITY OF HONORING THE HISTORY AND, AND WORK OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MADE VULNERABLE IN OUR CITY? IF WE HAVE TO KEEP SHOWING UP JUST TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS IS WRONG ON ELECTION DAY. UM, BUT YEAH, LET'S WORK ON THAT REGISTRATION PROCESS. PRACTICE SOME OF THE STANDARDS IN OUR CITY THAT OUR CITY HAS ALREADY HONORED, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WORK WE'VE DONE. THANK YOU. SURE. IF IT'S THE PRIVILEGE OF THE, UH, COMMISSION, UH, THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS SIGN UP JUST SECONDS AFTER. UH, MS. UH, VASQUEZ, IF YOU, UH, IF WE COULD HEAR FROM MR. CONTU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS NAME'S MARIO CANTU. UM, TODAY I'M SPEAKING ABOUT VOTING DURING LAND USE CHANGES. HOW MANY OF Y'ALL REMEMBER THE US UM, GOING INTO IRAQ IN 2005? THERE WAS A PURPLE FINGER. REMEMBER THAT PURPLE FINGER ALL OVER THE GLOBE? EVERYBODY SAW THAT. IT'S CUZ A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE HAPPY TO VOTE. OUR US MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN SACRIFICE THEIR LIVES SO THAT THE ELECTIONS ARE DONE FAIRLY AND OPEN TO EACH AND EVERY PERSON. TODAY AT TONIGHT'S PLANNING COMMISSION HAS AGREED, HAS, HAS ANGERED AND CONCERNED LOTS OF AUSTIN VOTERS BY HOLDING HEARINGS TONIGHT, MANY ARE PROTECTING RUNOFF ELECTIONS PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO MAKE US CHOOSE BETWEEN BEING ACTIVE IN THE RUNOFFS OR ATTENDING PUBLIC HEARINGS. PEOPLE IN AUSTIN DON'T WANT TO ATTEND PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE REST OF NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER UNTIL THE END OF THE RUNOFFS. IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF AUSTIN, POSTPONE HEARINGS TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH IS THE USE OF LAND UNTIL AFTER THE RUNOFFS, AND MAKE THE FINAL VERSIONS OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS OR RESOLUTIONS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT LEAST TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THIS IS THE KEY SO THAT CITY STAFF AND THE PUBLIC CAN FOCUS ON CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND EXERCISING THE RIGHT TO VOTE HERE. JUST THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. HOW, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THE CITIZENS OF IRAQ HAD COMMISSIONERS LIKE YOU TONIGHT ON DAYS THAT THEY'RE VOTING FOR YOU? LAND CHANGES IN IRAQ, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME AND IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, CHANGE HOW PEOPLE [00:15:01] LIVE AND EVERYTHING. HOW WOULD THEY FEEL? AND SO THIS IS HOW, HOW WE FEEL AS WELL. CHAIR THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, I'M, WE HAVEN'T HAD MANY PUBLIC, UH, COMMUNICATION SPEAKERS IN LATELY, AND SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE WE ARE HAVING SOME ENGAGEMENT DURING THAT PART OF THE AGENDA. SO THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING. UM, MOVING THROUGH OUR AGENDA, UH, TRYING TO GET THROUGH OUR CONSENT AGENDA. THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE HAVE, WELL, LET ME BACK UP ONE SECOND. UH, [Reading of the Agenda] COMMISSIONER FLORES, ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THE FIRST READING THIS EVENING? YES, I AM. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO WE'LL PUT ON THERE THE APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 25TH, 22, UH, MINUTES. DID ANY, DID COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? UH, SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND JUST BRIEFLY BEFORE WE, UM, GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS, WE, WE ALL, UM, WE RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS ON CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BEING ELECTION NIGHT. UM, WE DO HAVE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ON THE TWO CODE ITEMS, UM, AND WE'LL, UH, MOVE THROUGH THAT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER. BUT I DO WANNA SAY WE ARE, WE HAVE TWO OTHER TIME PERIODS AVAILABLE TO US. AND I'M GONNA GET A, UH, RAISE THE HANDS HERE TO TRY TO GET A FILL FOR OUR AVAILABILITY. BUT, UH, WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT WE WILL HAVE TIME IF WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMISSIONERS TO MEET ON 1115. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET ON 1129. UH, THE ISSUE THERE IS COUNCIL REALLY WANTS THESE AMENDMENTS BACK TO THEM, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AND THE COMPATIBILITY BACK TO THEM BY DECEMBER 1ST, 1129. IF WE HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND, IT REALLY DOESN'T GIVE LEGAL ENOUGH TIME TO EVALUATE THOSE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SHOULD, UM, SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO, UH, THAT IS CUTTING KIND OF CLOSE. SO I, UH, REAL QUICKLY I'D LIKE TO GET A SHOW OF HANDS, UH, JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET QUORUM. OF COURSE, ATTENDANCE LIKE WE HAVE THIS EVENING IS GOOD. IT'S AT 11 FOLKS, UH, THAT WAY WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET, UH, PAST THINGS. UH, SO REAL QUICK, UH, COMMISSIONERS JUST GONNA TAKE A, I KNOW THERE WAS A SURVEY EARLIER THAT ANDREW DID, BUT REAL ON THE DIAS. UM, SO, UH, 1115 WAS A CONSENT ONLY IF WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING TO CONSIDER SOME OF THE CODE ITEMS. UH, ARE YOU AVAILABLE TO THAT EVENING? UH, ON 1115. OKAY. UH, THOSE VIRTUALLY 1115, UH, FOR I'M LOOKING. OKAY, SO THAT GIVES US NINE. UM, OKAY. QUICK. ALL RIGHT, SO HOW ABOUT, UH, 1129? UH, THOSE ON THE DIAS FOR A SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON 1129 WHO IS AVAILABLE THAT EVENING? SO THOMPSON, SO THAT'S JUST TWO THOSE ON THE, UH, VIRTUAL. SO ACTUALLY, UH, JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. UM, IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. UH, ONE MORE RAISE REAL QUICK ON THOSE VIRTUALLY. LET ME JUST 1, 2, 3, 4. I MEANT TO VOTE FOR THE 15TH. I AM AVAILABLE. SORRY. YOU ARE AVAILABLE. OKAY. THE 15TH IS ACTUALLY LOOKING LIKE A BETTER DATE. UH, I DON'T KNOW, WHO ARE WE MISSING THIS EVENING? UM, MR. RIVERA CHAIR COMMISSION LIAISON, VERA. SO THE ONLY, UH, COMMISSIONER CURRENTLY ABSENT IS, UH, SCHNEIDER, BUT I UNDERSTAND OH YES. HE WOULD STILL BE OUT, OUT OF THE COUNTRY AT THAT TIME. YES. SO THIS IS KIND OF REPRESENT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE 1115 IS GONNA BE A BETTER, UH, DAY FOR US CUZ IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE QUORUM ON THE 29TH BASED ON THE SHOW OF HANDS. SO WHAT I, [00:20:01] UM, PROPOSE THEN IS THAT WE, UM, WE, THIS IS WHAT I'M PROPOSING THAT I GOTTA GET, UH, WE'LL VOTE ON THIS, UH, LATER, IS WE, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR IT. RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, JUST SO FOLKS KNOW, WE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, BUT, AND, AND WE HAD Q AND A, WE ARE READY TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT. NOW, WE STILL MAY HAVE SPEAKERS ON THAT ITEM AND WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK, BUT WE ALREADY CONDUCTED THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND I THINK COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT, BUT I THINK, UH, THAT'S ONE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE UP, UH, ON THE COMPATIBILITY, UH, AS WELL. OF COURSE I HAVE TO HAVE, UM, UH, A VOTE FROM THE, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE, BUT THAT ONE I PROPOSE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET STARTED ON THAT. UH, WE HEAR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. AND THEN, UH, IF IT'S VOTED ON BY THE COMMISSION HERE, WE RETURN, UH, ON THE 15TH TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT. UH, WE MAY NOT ALL AGREE WITH THAT, UH, TIMEFRAME, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO, UH, PROPOSE FOR THE COMPATIBILITY CODE AMENDMENTS. UM, BUT I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO GET THOSE STARTED. BUT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AND HAVE A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ON THOSE TWO CODE ITEMS. AND WHAT'S THE THIRD, UM, MR. RIVERA, JUST CHAIR. WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, ETON OKAY. ON 24 THAT, UM, WE HAVE A SPEAKER REQUESTING POSTPONEMENT. OKAY. AND THAT ONE IF WE, OKAY. RIGHT. SO IF THAT DOES GET POSTPONED, UH, STA WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS STAFF, WHEN DO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT BACK? THEY WERE GOING TO, COUNCIL WANTED TO HEAR THAT ON THE FIRST AS WELL. SO, UM, YOUR NEXT MEETING, UM, WOULD BE EITHER THE, UM, THE SPECIAL CALL OR NOT THE 15TH OR THE 29TH BECAUSE THIS ITEM WOULD GO TO COUNSEL ON DECEMBER 8TH. UM, OTHER THAN THOSE DATES, YOUR NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING IS, UM, IN DECEMBER 13TH. DECEMBER 13TH. OKAY. SO WE WOULD, THIS, WE WOULD'VE A VERY BUSY EVENING ON THE 15TH. UM, BASED ON THE SHOW OF HANDS, THE 29TH IS ISN'T GONNA WORK FOR US. WE JUST DON'T HAVE FORUM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHEN THESE THINGS WILL BE, THEY ARE POSTPONED WHEN THEY'LL BE PUSHED. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONERS ARE SHERRY, WE ASK IF WE'RE POSTPONING SOMETHING THE 15TH THAT WE POSTPONED THE BOMB DISTRICT PLAN AS WELL. YOU, UH, WAS THERE, WE HAD PULLED THAT, YOU HAD PULLED THAT FOR DISCUSSION, BUT IF WE WERE POSTPONING MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO POSTPONE IT AS WELL. OKAY. FAIR. UM, COMMISSIONER THOMAS, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ABOUT LIKE A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSTPONEMENT AND THEN VOTE. YEAH, WE'RE, I'M JUST KIND OF THROWING OUT OPTIONS, UH, GETTING A FEEL FOR WHEN WE WILL HAVE MEETINGS BASED ON A SHOW OF HANDS AND JUST LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WOULD POSTPONE SOME OF THESE TWO. BUT OF COURSE, AGAIN, MY PREFERENCE IS TO GO AND GET STARTED AND HAVE THE SPEAKERS HERE THIS EVENING THAT ARE HERE. BUT WE WILL GET TO THAT AS SOON AS WE GET THROUGH THE DISCUSSION. POSTPONEMENT ITEMS, WHICH THERE ARE THREE. SO, UM, IS THAT CLEAR? SO, SO THE PROCESS IS DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. YES. BUT, BUT WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE HEARING. IF WE WILL HAVE THE HEARING. IF, UM, IF IT'S, YEAH, IF WE VOTE TO HEAR IT THIS EVENING, WE WILL START THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET A FIRST READING. SORRY TO SLOW THINGS DOWN THERE. COMMISSIONER FLORES, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND GIVE US A FIRST READING, PLEASE? YES. OKAY. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE APPROVAL MINUTES. ONE APPROVED THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 25TH, 2022, UM, TWO ZONING AND REZONING C 8 14, 20 21, 0 99, RODEO OAKS REDEVELOPMENT POD. UM, THIS ITEM IS UP FOR DISCUSSION, POSTPONEMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT REQUEST TO NOVEMBER 15TH. CHAIR. PERMISSION. LADIES ON, UM, IF WE COULD PAUSE FOR A MINUTE. UM, I'VE JUST BEEN, UH, LOGGED OUT OF, UH, THE TEAM'S, UH, PHONE TELECONFERENCE. I'LL JUST, UH, TAKE A MINUTE. OKAY. [00:25:49] , , . UM, HELLO MISS, THIS IS ANDREW VA ONTO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, COULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND, UH, TEST YOUR LINE, PLEASE? SELECT STAR SIX. HI. PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HI. TESTING, TESTING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, I CAN HEAR YOU CHAIR. WE'RE READY TO PROCEED. OKAY, COMMISSIONER FLORES, GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. UM, FOR TWO ZONING AND REZONING ON THE BRODY OAKS REDEVELOPMENT, PUT, UH, THAT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT REQUEST TO NOVEMBER 15TH AND TWO, THREE, AND FOUR TO BE HEARD IN TANDEM. AND THE MOTION MUST INCLUDE ALL THREE ITEMS. UH, SO NUMBER THREE IS C 14 R 8,133 RCA BRODY OAKS, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT AMENDMENT. AND ITEM FOUR IS BRODY OAKS REDEVELOPMENT SITE SPECIFIC SOS AMENDMENT. UH, CODE AMENDMENT FOR SAVE OUR SPRINGS SOS ORDINANCES. UM, FIVE IS PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 0 7 0.0 ONE TEN EIGHT ONE ZERO NEWMONT ROAD. UM, THIS ITEM IS UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO NOVEMBER 15TH, UH, SIX. PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.01 1700 EAST SECOND STREET. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR CONSENT. SEVEN REZONING C 14 20 22 0 0 9 1 1700 EAST SECOND STREET. UM, THIS ITEM IS UP FOR CONSENT. EIGHT. PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 1, 0 0.03. HOLLY MIXED USE. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH NINE. PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 21 0 0 0 5 0.02 ON TOPS MULTIFAMILY. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH 10. PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 2, 2 0.0 1, 4 0 6, AND 4 28 EAST ALPINE ROAD. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH, 11, REZONING C 14 20 22, 0 1, 0 1, 4 0 6, AND 4 28 ALPINE ROAD. REZONING ITEM IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH 12. PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 2 0 0.01 INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD, ONTARIO LANE. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR APPLICANT INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT 13. PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 2 9 0.0 1 76 0 1 CAMERON ROAD. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH 14, REZONING C 14 20 22 0 9 4 76 0 1 CAMERON ROAD, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH, UH, 15 IS REZONING C 14 20 22 0 1, 11 BURNETT AND 83. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR CONSENT. 16 REZONING C 14, 20 22 0 1, 41 12 AND WEST REZONING. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH, 17, REZONING C 14 20 22 0 2 0 3 RIVERSIDE AND VAAS. [00:30:01] THIS ITEM IS UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH, 18 REZONING C 14 20 22 0 2 1 9 0 9 MONTOPOLIS. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH 19. SITE PLANS P 20 22 0 0 1 0 D T, THE ALLRIGHT PARKING. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR CONSENT. 20 FINAL PLAT C 8 20 22 0 1. 47.0 A MAXWELL SUBDIVISION. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR DISAPPROVAL, UH, FOR REASONS PER EXHIBIT C 21 PLAT VACATION C 8 94 0 2 1 7 0.0 A KRAMER LANE 65, SECTION TWO RE SUBDIVISION OF LOT 10 BLOCK C PLAT VACATION. THIS ITEM IS UP FOR CONSENT. 22 CODE AMENDMENT, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. UM, THIS ITEM IS UP FOR DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT AND WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION 23 CODE AMENDMENT COMPATIBILITY ON CORRIDORS. THIS ITEM IS ALSO UP FOR DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT 24, POLICY PLAN, EQUITABLE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT POLICY PLAN. THIS ITEM IS ALSO UP FOR DISCUSSION, UH, POSTPONEMENT AND 25 IMAGINE AUSTIN AMENDMENT, PALM DISTRICT PLAN. I BELIEVE WE SAID THIS WOULD ALSO BE DISCUSSION, UH, OR POSTPONEMENT DISCUSSION, POSTPONEMENT, AND THEN ITEMS, UH OH. I THINK THAT'S IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU. SO, UM, IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION ON AND STAFF IF THERE'S AN ISSUE ON, UH, PER COMMISSIONER ASARS REQUEST TO POSTPONE ITEM 25 TO DECEMBER, I'M SORRY, NOVEMBER 15TH. ANY OPPOSITION FROM COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UH, STEP IS, I'M JUST, ANY NEED FOR STEP CHAIR? OH, MR. THOMAS. COULD, COULD WE TREAT THAT ONE THE SAME AND I MEAN, COULD WE HEAR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT SO THAT YES, WE CAN, UH, GO AHEAD AND KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA. AND IF WE HAVE TIME, I REMEMBER JUST IF WE, IF WE POSTPONE ALL THE STUFF TO THE 15TH AND THE 15TH IS A VERY BUSY, IT IS LATE NIGHT. AND I THINK GOING TO, YOU KNOW, VERY LATE HOURS ALSO IS A, AN ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE AS WELL. SO, OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER , I, IS THAT SOMETHING STAFF, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SLATED FOR ACTION THAT WE WILL BE APPROVING IT OR IS IT JUST A BRIEFING ONLY ACTION? OKAY. UM, I AM AMENABLE TO, IF WE DO END UP HAVING TIME THIS EVENING, UH, HEARING THE PRESENTATION AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TAKE ACTION OR NOT THIS EVENING. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND LEAVE IT ON, UH, WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION. RIGHT? YES, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, HONESTLY, IF WE ARE AGREEING TO POSTPONEMENT ON ITEMS, I WOULD WANT TO JUST HAVE THAT DONE TO SAY THAT WE WILL HEAR THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION TODAY. UM, ANY, UH, ANY SET UH, ANY DISCUSSION THERE, ANYBODY IN AGREEMENT, UH, THAT WE'LL HEAR? GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER COX, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSENT AGENDA IS NOT THE VOTE FOR POSTPONEMENT ON THE COMPATIBILITY ITEM PALM DISTRICT. I DON'T HAVE AN OPPOSITION TO, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND THEN ACTUALLY VOTE, CORRECT? YES. UH, WELL, WE ARE ON ITEM, LET ME JUST GO BACK, JUST TO GIVE YOU ASSURANCES HERE ON ITEM, UH, 22 AND 23. AND, UM, YES, THOSE TWO ARE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. AND, UM, IN ITEM 24 ON THE ETO, THAT IS ALSO, UM, A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? THANK YOU. AND SO WE WILL HAVE, WE'RE GONNA KNOCK ALL THOSE OUT RIGHT AFTER WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. BUT ITEM 25, WHAT, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING IS WE, UH, GO AHEAD AND, UM, PULL THAT FOR DISCUSSION. BUT NO, DO NOT TAKE ACTION THIS EVENING. WE WILL TAKE ACTION ON NOVEMBER 15TH. I'M SORRY, JUST TO CONFIRM ON THE , IF STAFF IS AMENABLE AND COMMISSIONERS ARE AVAILABLE, WHY DO WE NEED TO DO A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT? OR CAN WE AGREE NOW THAT WE WE WAS WANTING IT TO THE DATE THE STAFF SAID WOULD BE WORKABLE? UH, WHAT DATE IS, UH, CAN WE YEAH. SHARE WHAT THAT, THAT YOU'RE POSTPONING TO? NOVEMBER 15TH? [00:35:01] YEAH, JUST THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO THAT. UM, WE MAY END UP HAVING MORE TIME THIS EVENING, UH, THAN WE THINK. SURE. CHERYL, I'LL UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION. SO I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THESE IF WE CAN. UH, WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THESE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENTS ARE GONNA PLAY OUT. SO, UM, BUT THAT ONE IS ON DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. UH, LET'S SEE WHAT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE WHEN WE PUT IT TO A VOTE. UM, CHAIR COMMISSION. LAY ON IN THERE IF WE, COULD I GO BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? I JUST WANT TO, UH, CONFIRM THAT 19 IS A DISCUSSION ITEM AND NUMBER 20 IS WITHDRAWN. YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SO 19 IS DISCUSSION AND 20 WITHDRAWN. OKAY. LET ME GO AND READ THIS AND PLEASE, UH, STOP ME IF I'M GETTING THIS WRONG. OKAY. SO REVIEWING THE CONSENTED AGENDA AGAIN, STARTING WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 25TH MINUTES. UH, THEN WE HAVE ITEMS B TWO, I'M SORRY, TWO, THREE AND FOUR, UH, WHICH ARE POSTPONED TO NOVEMBER 15TH. AND IT WILL BE HEARD IN TANDEM. UH, AND NOTE HERE, MOTION MUST INCLUDE ALL THREE ITEMS. WE THEN HAVE ITEM, UH, FIVE, WHICH IS STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO NOVEMBER 15TH. ITEM SIX IS ON CONSENT. ITEM SEVEN IS ON CONSENT. ITEM EIGHT, NEIGHBORHOOD TO DECEMBER 13TH. ITEM NINE, APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH. ITEM 10, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH. ITEM 11, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH. ITEM 12, APPLICANT INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT. ITEM 13, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH. ITEM 14, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH. ITEM 15 IS ON CONSENT. ITEM 16, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH. ITEM 17, STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH. ITEM 18, NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO DECEMBER 13TH, 19, AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. UH, THAT SITE PLAN AT, UH, THE ALBRIGHT PARKING. UH, ITEM 20 IS, UM, IS WITHDRAWN. ITEM 21 IS ON CONSENT 22. AS WE TALKED ABOUT. WE'LL UH, FOLLOW UP WITH THIS CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. ITEM 23, CODE AMENDMENT. UM, WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ITEM 24. UH, WE WILL FOLLOW WITH THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. AND ITEM 25 IS, UM, IT IS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. UM, ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, CHAIR COMMISSION, LAY FERRIN. THEN, UH, SPECIAL NOTES THAT ANY CASES, UH, BEING POSTED UPON TO NOVEMBER 15TH WILL BE AT 5:00 PM IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ROOM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, WE START A LITTLE EARLY AND JUST A, A NOTE THERE AND TELL ME IF IT'S STILL ACCURATE, MR. AEZ, WE'RE GOING TO START AT FIVE. WE THEN WILL HAVE A BREAK TO ALLOW, UH, ZAP TO, UH, HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA ONLY MEETING. AND THEN WE WILL RETURN, UH, RE ADJOURN AFTER THEY'RE COMPLETED. IS THAT ACCURATE? CORRECT. SHARON SPEAKING WITH, UH, THE CHAIR DESIGN PLAN COMMISSION, UM, SHE WAS AMIABLE TO, UM, ALLOWING THAT. OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE A SHORT BREAK IN THE MIDDLE. OKAY. ALL [Consent Agenda] RIGHT. SO, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, UH, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, INCLUDING P OF THE MINUTES VICE CHAIR HEP BILL? OH, I THINK YOU, I THINK SHE'S MOTION FOR I'M MAKING THE MOTION TO YOU HAVE A SECOND. YEAH. UH, COMMISSIONER SHAY, SECOND CONSENT. LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE ON CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING. UM, THE DI WE OF EVERYONE AND, UH, I, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S 11. UH, THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. [22. Code Amendment: Residential in Commercial (Part 1 of 2)] OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ON ITEM 22. THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, WE'LL HEAR FROM, UH, MR. KUYA. MISS KUYA SPEAKING TO THE POSTPONE AT ITEM 22. MR. KU WILL HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES. FOLLOW UP MY [00:40:01] GUZMAN, UH, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, MY NAME IS FRANCIS AKUA. I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENCE OF DALLAS SPRINGS AND A CLIMATE RESILIENCE COMMUNITY LEAD ORGANIZER FOR GABA GO AUSTIN, BAMO AUSTIN. I AM HERE TO ASK FOR POSTPONEMENT FOR, UH, ITEM 22, 23, AND 24. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SENDING NOTICES OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, BUT I DID WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, IT IS ELECTIONS DAY AND PEOPLE ARE AT THE POLLS RIGHT NOW. AND IN THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT WE GOT ONE SENTENCE EXPLANATION TO RESIDENTS OF THE CHANGES, IT'S INVALID. WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. THE LANGUAGE IS, IT DOESN'T TELL ME WHAT COMPATIBILITY IS, WHAT CORRIDORS, IT DOESN'T TELL ME ANYTHING. AND OF COURSE, UM, THE LANGUAGE, IT'S ONLY IN ENGLISH IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UM, ENGLISH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUS WHAT YOU'RE SENDING. AND WE CAN'T, UM, TELL LOT OF OUR KIDS AND, AND BE, UH, ASSURED THAT THEY'RE GONNA TRANSLATE THE RIGHT WAY. AND YOU HAVE LIKE THREE DIFFERENT COMPATIBILITIES THAT LIGHT RAILS. AND IN ORDER FOR ME TO LEARN ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO COME AND SPEAK ABOUT THAT, I NEED TO GO TO THE AS. S M P, AUSTIN RED CHICKEN WILL, UM, JUST, I NEED CLARIFICATION. SO WE ARE JUST, CUZ YOU'RE, I THINK GONNA BE UP HERE THREE TIMES. WE ARE ON ITEM 22. CORRECT. MR. RIVERA, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, CORRECT. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GONNA HA UH, HAVE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ON RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL. THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT AND ASK YOU TO COME BACK ON THE COMPATIBILITY AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU TO COME BACK ON AGAIN ON THE LAST ONE. ITEM 24. SO I WANT, IF YOU CAN FOCUS, UM, YOUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE MERITS OF POSTPONEMENT ON RESIDENTIAL AND TO COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, AND I'LL GIVE YOU MORE TIME YES. FOR INTERRUPTING. BUT, UH, LET'S FOCUS ON THAT ONE FIRST AND THEN WE'LL TAKE ONE AT A TIME. OKAY. PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, YES, UH, IN THAT CASE, I, UM, I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS POSTPONED DUE TO NOT GIVING US ENOUGH TIME TO LEARN. I'VE BEEN, ALL OF SATURDAY, I WAS TRYING TO READ THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I WAS TRYING TO LEAD READ AS AND P I WAS TRYING TO READ EVERYTHING THAT, THAT YOU ALL SENT ME. AND IT'S LIKE WE'VE BEEN WORKING SO HARD TRYING TO TRANSLATE THAT LANGUAGE INTO RESIDENT, UH, LANGUAGE AND THEN TRANSLA IT INTO SPANISH BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF YOU OR THE CITY HAS GONE IN, UH, YOU KNOW, KNOCKING ON DOORS AND THE CORRIDORS TRYING TO SEE IF THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT ANY OF THIS MEANS. IT IS A HARD THING FOR US, LIKE ME AS AN ORGANIZER, WHENEVER I GO INTO A MEETING WITH RESIDENTS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND IN ORDER FOR ME TO LEARN ABOUT ALL OF THESE CHANGES, I LITERALLY NEED TO LEARN WHAT YOU GUYS KNOW ALREADY AND TRY TO LEARN WHAT CITY COUNCIL KNOWS. IT'S VERY HARD DO, DOING MY JOB AS AN ORGANIZER AND THEN COMING AND DOING THIS WORK, WHICH IS MY VOLUNTEER WORK WHENEVER I HAVE TO LEARN IN ORDER FOR ME NOT TO BE DISPLACED, NOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO STAY IN IN MY COMMUNITY. SO, UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS OR SOME OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S NECESSARY TO POSTPONE IT, GIVING US TIME TO LEARN AND ALSO, UM, COMING BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS IN ONE LANGUAGE. SO, UM, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY PLANS TO TRANSLATE IT AND THEN SEND IT TO US, IT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT, UM, SORRY. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR YOUR TIME AND I [00:45:01] GUESS I SHALL BE BACK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE I'LL HEAR FROM MS. UH, GUZMAN. MR. GUZMAN, I HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THIS MOMENT. POSTPONE IT, REQUEST ON ITEM 22. GOOD EVENING. OKAY. HEARING Y'ALL GOING BACK AND FORTH, I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED, , AND IT ALSO CHANGES WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. UM, TOTALLY OPPOSE Y'ALL DISCUSSING THIS, VOTING ON IT, WHATEVER, DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN LISTENING TO US SPEAK ABOUT WHY YOU SHOULD POSTPONE IT. IT'S AN ELECTION DAY. PEOPLE ARE STILL OUT THERE VOTING. I USED TO BE AN ELECTION WORKER, THREE PREVIOUS ELECTIONS. MY DAY DID NOT END UNTIL LIKE NINE OR 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. CUZ THE JUDGE HAS THE MOST RESPONSIBILITIES OF ALL THE POLL WORKERS. SO THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM PARTICIPATING IF THEY WANT TO. PEOPLE WORKING CAMPAIGNS, PEOPLE WATCHING THE ELECTION RESULTS ROLL OUT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE DOING RIGHT NOW. YOU AS WELL, YOU NEED TO BE OUT THERE TOO. ARE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANTED BEING VOTED FOR TWO AS MS. AKU WAS SAYING, NOT ENOUGH TIME. EIGHT DAY NOTICE ABOUT STUFF ONLY IN ENGLISH, LIMITED INFORMATION. AND IN THIS CITY, MORE THAN A HUNDRED LANGUAGES ARE SPOKEN. I LIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR MORE THAN 50 LANGUAGES AND DIALECTS ARE SPOKEN. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE REHBERG AREA, PART OF DISTRICT FOUR. I, I DON'T EXPECT Y'ALL TO MAKE NOTICE AVAILABLE IN EVERY SINGLE LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN THE CITY OR EVEN IN THE DISTRICT IN WHICH I LIVE, BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE, AT LEAST ENGLISH AND SPANISH, AS WELL AS A WAY TO REQUEST IT IN SOMEONE'S NATIVE LANGUAGE IF IT'S NOT ENGLISH OR SPANISH. UM, THERE'S ALSO, AGAIN, LACK OF TIME TO READ EVERYTHING. LACK OF TIME TO REQUEST CLARIFICATION IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND, UM, THE OTHER THING IS YOU WERE SAYING THAT THERE HAD ALREADY BEEN A PUBLIC HEARING. I SCOURED THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS PAGE. NOWHERE DID I SEE THE WORDS PUBLIC HEARING. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT TONIGHT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, AND THAT REALLY UPSETS ME. THAT'S MISLEADING, THAT'S DENIAL. IT'S EXCLUDING PEOPLE. THE, UH, ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN A PUBLIC PROCESS. UH, I WAS ONE OF THE RECIPIENTS FOR AN INVITE TO THE LISTENING SESSIONS. IT WASN'T JUST FOR THE CORRIDORS, IT WAS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AS WELL. WHAT WAS WAS THE POINT OF HAVING PEOPLE THERE SPEAKING ON THAT TWO DAYS AFTER YOU HAD A PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. SURE. THAT CONCLUDES THE, UM, UH, SPEAKERS FOR THE POSTPONE, UM, IN PROCEEDING. DO YOU WISH TO ENTERTAIN A FIVE F THREE FOR, UH, DISCUSSION DEBATE OF THE POSTON, UM, BEFORE YEAH, BRIEFLY. UM, WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR A LONGER MEETING. UH, DO I HAVE ANY OBJECTION FOR REDUCING THE Q AND A TO FIVE AT THREE MINUTES, UH, ON THIS ITEM? FIVE PEOPLE OVER THREE MINUTES EACH, UH, QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, GIVE COMMISSIONERS FIVE QUESTIONS AT THREE MINUTES AND, AND WE CAN, UH, MODIFY THAT IF NEEDED, IF WE, UH, NEED MORE QUESTIONS ONCE WE GET TO THE END OF FIVE. BUT I DO WANT TO, DOES STAFF, UM, WANT TO PROVIDE ANY, I GUESS WE COULD GET THEM. WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS. LET'S GO AND START WITH THE Q AND A AND IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF, I GUESS WE CAN ASK IT. ALL RIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, AGAIN, IT'S THE MERITS OF THE POSTPONEMENT NOT THE CASE. SO WHO HAS THE FIRST QUESTION ON, UH, ITEM 22? UH, COMMISSIONER MU, I'D LIKE TO MAKE NEUTRAL COMMENTARY, PLEASE. UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC WHO ARE EITHER GOING TO WATCH THIS RECORDING OR HAVE COME OR HAVE WRITTEN US, UM, TO KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE ALSO VOLUNTEERS. UM, AND WE VOLUNTEER OUR TIME AS WELL IN THAT, HOW THE, THIS CAME ONTO OUR AGENDA AND HOW THIS IS NOTIFIED SHOULD BE FOLLOWING CITY PROCESSES THAT IS NOT AT OUR ENTIRE DISPOSAL. WE CAN HAVE THE OPTION TO DELAY THINGS THAT ARE COMING TO US, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF PUBLIC OR APPLICANTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT WE CAN'T KEEP THEM OFF OUR AGENDA WHEN THEY COME TO US. SO WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THEM BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO SO. COMMISSION HERE IS TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB TO GIVE THOROUGH EVALUATION TO THESE ORDINANCES, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE AFFECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE IN A LOT OF WAYS, AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESSES ARE BEING FOLLOWED, UM, TO ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT AND, AND APPROPRIATE CONSIDERATION OF THOSE. [00:50:01] UM, AND I AGAIN, WANNA THANK STAFF FOR MAKING SURE THAT THE NOTICES DID GO OUT. I DO WANNA THANK COMMISSIONER, UM, ABES FOR HOLDING THE TWO, UM, ZOOM OPTIONS, UH, BOTH DURING THE DAY AND IN THE EVENING HOURS TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE AND ASK QUESTIONS. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE GET BACK TO OUR FINAL ACTION ON, UM, THE 15TH SO THAT PEOPLE CAN FEEL SATISFIED, SATISFIED THEY'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISS, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS? OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, I DO HAVE, UH, OH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, GO AHEAD. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, I GUESS ON THIS ONE. UM, AND IT'S BASICALLY IT'S JUST IF, IF THIS WERE POSTPONED, WOULD THERE BE ANY ADDITIONAL NOTIFICATION OR ADDITIONAL TRANSLATIONS DONE AND PROVIDED COMMISSION, UH, GREG DUTTON HOUSING PLANNING, IF IT WAS POSTPONED TO NEXT WEEK, UH, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL NOTIFICATION, ERIC, DEVELOPMENT OFFICER HOUSING AND PLANNING. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE SET UP A WEBSITE, UH, THAT HAS INFORMATION ABOUT THESE TWO CODE AMENDMENTS AND THERE IS A TRANSLATION BUTTON ON THAT WEBSITE. YOU CAN FIND IT BY GOING TO WWW.SPEAKUPAUSTIN.ORG. AND, AND WHAT, WHAT LANGUAGES ARE THOSE IN? I WILL, I WILL GO LOOK, BUT, UM, MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. OKAY. THANK YOU. LISTENERS GUESS, AND IF STAFF CAN SAY WHEN, WHEN THOSE TRANSLATIONS WERE AVAILABLE? SO WE WERE ABLE TO LAUNCH THE WEBSITE, UH, FRIDAY, AND IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE, IT DOESN'T LIST THE LANGUAGES BY NUMBER, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, 50 LANGUAGES OR SO. AND IT, AND IT IS, THEY'LL, THE INFORMATION THAT CAN BE TRANSLATED IS, IS LIMITED, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE A DESCRIPTION OF THE TWO CODE AMENDMENTS. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, MR. THOMPSON? OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, I'M LOOKING AROUND. I I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF. SO JUST TO, UM, THIS IS ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING WE HAD BACK ON OCTOBER 25TH. I JUST WANT TO, UH, STAFF COULD CONFIRM, UM, WE DID HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 25TH ON THIS ITEM, AND WE HAD Q AND A. AND THEN COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHEN WE, UM, WE DECIDED TO POSTPONE ACTION. SO WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THERE IF WE POSTPONE ACTION? UM, IS THAT WHY IT WAS PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA? I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE FOLKS KNOW THAT WE DID FOLLOW THE PROPER PROCEDURES ON THIS ITEM ON AS FAR AS THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED ON THE AGENDA. SO, SO COMMISSION LAY ON A, SO IT WAS, UM, NOTICED FOR, UM, YOUR LAST MEETING. YOU HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THE HIP PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED. YOU, UH, THE COMMISSION HAD Q AND A AND AFTER Q AND A, UH, THE DESIRE AND THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE WAS TO POSTPONE TO THIS DATE. IT WAS, UH, STIPULATED AT THAT MEETING. UM, SO IT NOW APPEARS ON YOUR AGENDA. OKAY. SO IT ACTUALLY, THIS, UH, EVENING WOULD PROVIDE, IF WE HEAR THIS CASE, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SPEAKERS, UH, TO SPEAK AGAIN THE SECOND TIME ON THE SIDE. CORRECT. SO BY THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, UM, SPEAKERS ARE ALWAYS ALLOWED TO PROVIDE REMARKS ON ANY ACTION ITEM ON AGENDA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. ANY, UM, BRINGS IT UP TO THREE. WE HAVE TWO MORE SPOTS IF YOU NEED 'EM. ALL RIGHT. UM, YES, CHECK. QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, FOR A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, NORMALLY WE'RE REQUIRED BY OUR BYLAWS TO SET A SCHEDULE ONE FULL YEAR IN ADVANCE. SO IN NOVEMBER, WE CHOOSE THE EXACT DAYS WE'RE [00:55:01] GOING TO BE MEETING IN THE YEAR FOLLOWING THAT NOVEMBER. UH, IS IT SIMILAR FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE BYLAWS. CHAIR COMMISSION LAYS ON YES. YEAH, YOU ADOPT YOUR, UH, CALENDAR THE PREVIOUS YEAR. UH, BUT, UM, YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, HAVE SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS AS WELL. OKAY. SO THEN THIS HAS BEEN ON THE BOOK SINCE LITERALLY LAST NOVEMBER, THIS EVENINGS MEETING. CORRECT. THANKS. THAT'S ALL I HAD, JOE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER POLITO. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE LANGUAGE ACCESS. WAS THAT LINKED TO THE 50 PLUS LANGUAGES? WAS THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THE MAILED OUT NOTIFICATION? NO, IT WAS NOT. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE WEBSITE LAUNCHED AT THAT TIME DUE TO THE TIGHT TIMEFRAME OF, OF THESE AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO, UH, WE'RE OUTTA QUESTION Q AND A. UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM WHETHER WANT TO, UH, HEAR THIS EVENING OR POSTPONE TO DATE CERTAIN TO POSTPONE? GO AHEAD. COMMISSION POLITO? YES. MOVE TO POSTPONE TO DECEMBER 13TH. OKAY. OH, DECEMBER 13TH. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DETERMINING, I MEAN, I'LL MOVE TO DECEMBER 13TH, IF I CAN GET A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. JUST, UH, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UM, WE DO HAVE NOVEMBER 15TH AVAILABLE AS WELL. IF YOU, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNEW THAT. OKAY, I WILL. UM, IT'S UP TO YOU. I'M JUST, YOUR MOTION IS YOUR MOTION. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT WE DO COURSE WE ARE GONNA SCHEDULE A MEETING, EXTENDED MEETING THAT DATE. OKAY. WELL, I WOULD ACCEPT AN AMENDMENT, BUT, UM, OH, LET'S WAIT, HOLD ON. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE A SECOND YET, SO YOU'RE FREE TO NO, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE MY MOTION BECAUSE I WOULD, MY INTENTION IS NOT TO PLACE OUR POSTPONEMENT ON AN ADDITIONAL ELECTION DAY, AND I THINK THAT MAY ACTUALLY BE THE RUNOFF ELECTION DATE. SO, UM, WE ALSO HAVE NOVEMBER 29TH AVAILABLE. NOW, WE, UM, WITH THE SHOW OF HAND, WE ONLY HAD SIX FOLKS. SO RIGHT NOW, NOVEMBER 15TH IS THE ONLY DATE WE'RE ALREADY SCHEDULED TO MEET ON THAT DAY. SO, UM, IT'S ON, IT'S ON, IT'S A DATE WE'RE ALREADY SCHEDULED TO MEET, SO WE WOULD JUST BE MEETING AND IT WOULDN'T BE CONSENT ONLY. WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE DISCUSSION ITEMS IS THE PLAN. OKAY. UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THAT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR NOTIFICATION. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND I'LL KEEP DECEMBER 13TH. OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ITEM 22. DECEMBER, UH, 13TH. DO I HAVE A SECOND? UM, ANY AMEND, UH, VICE CHAIR HEMPLE? I'LL SECOND. OH, SECOND. OKAY. UH, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION, UM, MR. POLITO? YES, I, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS HAS BEEN, THIS HAS FOLLOWED TO AN EXTENT CITY PROTOCOL. I HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS. I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK IT'S, UM, ADEQUATE, GIVEN THE EXTENT TO WHICH THIS IMPLIES A ZONING CHANGE WITHOUT COMMUNITY PLANNING AND WITHOUT A PUBLIC PROCESS IN SO MANY AREAS. AND SO I THINK THAT MORE TIME, UH, IS NECESSARY FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S A DIFFICULT TIME. UNFORTUNATELY, I, I WOULD BE, UH, OPEN TO POSTPONING IT TO JUST LATER IN THE MONTH, BUT I THINK ONE WEEK IS NOT SUFFICIENT. SO I'M JUST ADVOCATING TO PUSH IT OUT SO THAT WE CAN BETTER NOTIFY THE PUBLIC. OKAY. UH, THOSE THAT WANNA SPEAK AGAINST THIS MOTION POSTPONE PHONE, UH, I WILL, UH, COMMISSIONER COX, GO AHEAD AND START US OUT. YEAH. THE RISK OF FACING THE WRATH OF EVERY, UM, ENGAGED AUSTINITE CIVICALLY, ENGAGED AUSTINITE. I'M GONNA HAVE A SIMILAR POSITION ON THE COMPATIBILITY ITEM AS WELL. UM, I, I'M, WE'VE, I'VE ACTUALLY HEARD FOR THE FIRST TIME SOME REALLY ILLUMINATING STUFF ABOUT, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOTIFICATION, REGISTRATION, ALL OF THAT STUFF. I REALLY, REALLY THANK THOSE WHO SPOKE BECAUSE THAT WAS NEW [01:00:01] TO ME. UH, SINCE WE'RE SITTING HERE ON THE COMMISSION, WE DON'T ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES UNLESS WE HAVE, UH, BEFORE WE WERE COMMISSIONERS. AND SO, UM, I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO LOOK INTO AND HOPEFULLY FIX AND, AND BE MORE CONGRUENT WITH COUNSEL. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT, UH, IS NECESSARILY GOING TO WORK WITH, WITH THESE TWO COORDINATES CHANGES. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MANY, MANY DISCUSSIONS, UM, WITH FOLKS AT CITY HALL IS THAT THIS, AND ALSO THE, THE COMPATIBILITY CHANGE WAS ESSENTIALLY NEGOTIATED WITH A QUORUM BY COUNCIL. UM, AND IT WAS A VERY PRESCRIPTIVE RESOLUTION. UM, AND I GET THE IMPRESSION THAT WE MAY BE, WE, WE MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH VOICE AS WE TYPICALLY HAVE ON THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS, AND I WOULD, I WOULD MUCH RATHER ENCOURAGE, ENGAGE CITIZENRY TO ENGAGE WITH COUNCIL ON THESE ITEMS WHERE THEY PROBABLY HAVE MORE IMPACT. I THINK OUR WORKING GROUP DID A GREAT JOB ON BOTH OF THESE THINGS, AND I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ACTUALLY PASSING BOTH OF THESE THINGS WITH THE WORKING GROUP AMENDMENTS SO THAT, UM, WHAT I PERSONALLY THINK WE CAN FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE INFLUENCE ON. IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A POSITION I USUALLY TAKE ON THESE SORTS OF THINGS. UM, BUT JUST MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE BACKGROUND OF THIS, I, I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE OUTCOME WHETHER WE PASS IT TONIGHT WITH THE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'D SUPPORT VERSUS, UH, VERSUS POSTPONING A MONTH OR TWO WEEKS OR, OR WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING. AND WE KNOW WE'VE GOT LONG AGENDAS AHEAD OF US, AND SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE AS A POSSIBILITY THAT I WOULD SUPPORT. AT THE SAME TIME, I DO NOT WANT TO BE AN IMPEDIMENT IF, IF THE WILL OF THIS COMMISSION IS TO POSTPONE. I DON'T WANT MY VOTE TO BE THE DECIDING FACTOR. SO, UM, I MAY VOTE A CERTAIN WAY, BUT IF MY VOTE IS THE DECIDING FACTOR, I MAY CHANGE THAT VOTE. I KNOW IT'S A COMPLICATED POSITION TO HAVE, BUT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT. UM, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. ALL RIGHT. UH, THOSE THAT WANNA SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? YEAH, REAL BRIEFLY. UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THE IDEAL DATE WOULD BE THE 29TH, BUT FORUM IS A REAL ISSUE. UM, SO NORMALLY I WOULDN'T HAVE SUPPORTED PUSHING IT THIS FAR OUT. AND, UM, COMMISSIONER JAN BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT BEING THE DAY OF THE RUNOFFS, WHERE IT WILL, UM, HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES OF, UM, COMPETING IN PUBLIC PROCESS. SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF IN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY PUT THE SPEAK UP AUSTIN, UM, INFORMATION. I THINK THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL, BUT IT ONLY HAVING BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE FRIDAY, UM, I THINK PEOPLE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, SO THAT'S WHY I'M IN SUPPORT. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND SEE IF I CAN GET SUPPORT FOR IT. UM, AND I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO IT IN A MOMENT. I WOULD LIKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO, IF WE DO POSTPONE, UH, TO JUST POSTPONE IT TO NOVEMBER 15TH. UH, AND THAT'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET A SECOND ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. GIVE COMMISSIONER MUSH TOLER AND I'LL SPEAK TO IT. SO, UM, FOR A LOT OF THE, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD, I THINK WE DO, YOU KNOW, THIS ITEM HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS HERE PERHAPS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. SO FULLY WE COMPLIED WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC NOTICE, AND WE WERE READY TO TAKE THIS, UH, TO HAVE DISCUSSION AND GO AHEAD AND PASS THIS ON TO COUNCIL, WHICH COUNCIL REALLY DOES WANT THIS, UM, BY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. UM, A NUMBER OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, THIS ITEM, AS WELL AS COMPATIBILITY, UH, THEY HAVE HAD NUMEROUS WORK SESSIONS, AS WAS POINTED OUT. A LOT OF THIS WAS KIND OF PRE THE, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS KIND OF WHAT THEY, UM, PASSED IN THEIR RESOLUTION. AND SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL. SO THEY CAN CONSIDER THIS ON DECEMBER 1ST, AND THEN THE EIGHT, WHICH ARE THEIR LAST TWO MEETINGS. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE AN ENTIRELY NEW COUNCIL AFTER THAT. SO, UH, SEVERAL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS REALLY DO WANT TO, UM, ALL THE [01:05:01] TIME THEY INVESTED IN IT AS WELL AS OUR WORKING GROUP. SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO TRY TO GET THIS IN THEIR HANDS. AND 1115 IS THE DATE, UM, THAT WE WOULD'VE TO, UH, TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM TO GET IT, GET A AMPLE TIME TO REVIEW OUR GROUP AMENDMENTS. UH, SO THOSE SPEAKING, UH, AGAINST THIS ITEM. OKAY. SORRY, CHAIR. I, I THINK I HAVE TO SPEAK, I, I THINK I'M GONNA BE AGAINST BOTH OF THESE POSTPONES JUST FOR THIS ITEM. I MEAN, IT'S ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL IN COMMERCIAL ZONING IN A CITY THAT'S DESPERATE FOR HOUSING. AND I JUST THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE THE GREAT ONE TO TAKE UP TONIGHT AND NOT HAVE TOO MUCH GOING ON ON THE 15TH. SO I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO KNOCK OUT ONE OF THESE, PROBABLY VOTING AGAINST BOTH THOSE HELMETS. OKAY. UM, THOSE SPEAKING, UH, LET'S SEE. THAT WAS AGAINST, UH, THOSE IN FAVOR, MR. MUSH. UM, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SPLIT MY BOAT ON THIS ONE IN THE OTHER ORDINANCE ITEM. UM, THIS ITEM, THE RESIDENTIAL ON COMMERCIAL. UM, I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO GIVE FOLKS ANOTHER WEEK, UM, TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION ON IT AND GIVE THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK. I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT CITIZENS KNOW THEY WILL ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL AS WELL. SO THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT, BUT I WANNA GIVE THEM TIME TO LOOK AT IT. MY HOPE IS THAT BY LOOKING AT IT, THEY WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY, VERY NARROW SCOPE ORDINANCE. AND THIS IS NOT MAKING WIDE SWEEPING CHANGES. I WAS CONCERNED WHEN I FIRST SAW IT ABOUT THE IMPACTS, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY SMALL BECAUSE THE RESIDENTIAL ON COMMERCIAL IS ONLY IN AREAS WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL. WHERE WE DON'T HAVE, UM, UH, USE PROBLEMS THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL. IT IS PART OF AN AFFORDABILITY PROGRAM. SO ANYBODY PARTICIPATING IN THIS AND REQUESTING THIS HAS TO PARTICIPATE IN AFFORDABILITY. IF FOLKS WILL TAKE TIME TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS OF THE ORDINANCE, IT DOES NOT EXCESSIVELY CHANGE THE BASE ZONING. SO PEOPLE ARE NOT THE DEVELOPERS, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOT GETTING HUGE ENTITLEMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD A BIG BACKLASH FROM ON THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. AND THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY OPEN AN AVENUE TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AREAS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO SO. SO THIS IS A VERY NARROW SCOPE ORDINANCE AND THIS DOES NOT BROAD SWEEP NEIGHBORHOODS AND AREAS, AND IT ALLOWS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME AFFORDABILITY TO COME IN IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. AND SO I HOPE FOLKS WILL LOOK AT IT AND FEEL SATISFIED. I'LL SPEAK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY, CUZ I DO THINK THAT HAS LARGER, MORE SWEEPING IMPLICATIONS. UM, AS FAR AS THE RUSH TO PUT IT THROUGH, I'LL RESPECTFULLY SAY THAT IS NOT, UM, I, I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED BY THAT. UH, I ONLY HAD ONE COUNCIL MEMBER OFFER ME EXPLANATION REGARDING THESE. UH, I DID NOT HEAR FROM ANY OTHER MEMBERS AND DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED TO RUSH IT THROUGH A PARTICULAR COUNCIL BEFORE THE PUBLIC HAS VOTED ON THEIR REPRESENTATIVES. BUT I, I'M, I BELIEVE IN WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS SHOWING AND I BELIEVE IN PEOPLE GIVING PEOPLE A TIME TO LOOK AT, I THINK WE CAN BRING IT BACK NOVEMBER 15TH AND PEOPLE WILL FEEL REASSURED THAT THIS IS A, PROBABLY A GOOD ONE THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. UH, THOSE SPEAKING AGAINST, UH, POST SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO POSTPONE TO 1115 INSTEAD OF DECEMBER 13, COMMISSIONER SHAY. SO, UM, I DO APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER MUTOS KIND OF, UM, EXPLANATION RUN THROUGH ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL. UM, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE HAD A HEARING ON IT BEFORE WE, UM, HAVE SOME AMENDMENTS. AND I GUESS I'M OPPOSED TO THE, I'M OPPOSED TO POSTPONING HEARING IT UNTIL NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT TO BE HEARD FROM THE DISCUSSION IN ANY PRESENTATIONS WE HAVE TONIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT TONIGHT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A HUGE LIFT THE NEXT WEEK. AND AT LEAST IF WE CAN GET THIS GOING, THIS, THE DISCUSSIONS HERE CAN HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON OTHER TOPICS THAT WE COULD EVEN FURTHEST THIS ALONG. SO ON NEXT WEEK, THEN WE COULD, UM, HAVE ON A BETTER DISCUSSION AND BETTER ACTION ON IT. SO I WOULD RATHER NOT POSTPONE THIS PIECE OF IT. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE THAT. AND MY, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE DON'T TAKE ACTION ON IT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING WEEK. IT, YOU KNOW, SO I, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS, BUT COMPATIBILITY, I'M FINE WITH, UM, WITH THAT POSTPONE IT. SO I DON'T KNOW WE'RE SPLITTING THAT OR NOT. OKAY. [01:10:01] UH, SO THAT WAS, UM, TWO, TWO. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE SPOTS, UH, FOR THOSE SPEAKING FOR AND AGAINST. UH, ONE MORE. ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK FOR THIS? COMMISSIONER COX? OH, UM, HE SPOKE ON THIS ONE. THREE. OKAY. HE'S NOT, YEAH, WE DON'T, UH, ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK? IF NOT, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE. SO THIS IS THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO POSTPONE, UH, ITEM 22 TO 1115. UH, THOSE ON THE DIAS IN FAVOR. UH, LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS. THIS IS 1115. ALL RIGHT. UH, THOSE VIRTUALLY POSTPONING TO 1115. OKAY. AND, UH, THOSE AGAINST POSTPONEMENT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. LET ME, UH, GET NAMES AND THEN, UH, THOSE VIRTUALLY THAT ARE OPPOSED TO POSTPONEMENT TO 1115, UH, LAURAS. OKAY. AND THOSE, THAT'S, UH, NEUTRAL ABSTAIN. OKAY. SO JUST WRITING DOWN THAT MOTION FAILS, VERY FAILS BRILLIANTLY. , WE HAVE, UH, VOTING AGAINST, UH, THOMPSON ANDERSON, AAR, UH, SHAY COX, HOWARD VICE HEMPLE, AND THEN, UH, VOTING ABS COMMISSIONER. OH. AND VOTING AGAINST ALSO IS COMMISSIONER FLORES. AND THEN IF STAIN IS COMMISSION POLITO. OKAY. SO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO POSTPONE ITEM 2022 TILL DECEMBER 13TH. UM, WE WERE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRO, UH, THOSE SPEAKING FOR AND AGAINST. I THINK WE WERE DOWN TO, UM, UH, WE HAD ONE FROM EACH, AND SO WE CAN STILL CONTINUE THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION. ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK IN FAVOR? YEAH, WE ALREADY HAD, I THINK, YES, THOSE SPEAKING AGAINST, I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE THEN. UM, ON THIS ITEM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE MOTION TO POST POLL ITEM 22 TO DECEMBER 13TH. UH, LET'S GO ON THE DIOCESE IN FAVOR OF THE POSTPONEMENT. UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ON VIRTUALLY THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THE POSTPONEMENT. ALL RIGHT. THOSE, UM, OKAY. RIGHT. UH, I THINK THAT'S TWO, THAT'S, UH, GO THOSE AGAINST THIS MOTION TO POSTPONE. AND THOSE ON THE DIAS THAT ARE AGAINST, UH, I'M SORRY, THOSE VIRTUALLY THAT ARE AGAINST THIS MOTION. GONNA SHOW ME A RED. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT MOTION FAILS. AND, UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA DO A LITTLE REVERSE. THAT IS THE ONLY TWO VOTING IN FAVOR. WERE JANIS SPOLETO AND VICE HEMPLE. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, WE'RE VOTING IN FAVOR. UH, OTHERWISE IT WAS, UH, VOTING AGAINST AND SOMEBODY ABSTAINED. WHO WAS THAT? UH, COMMISSIONER MOOSE. TYLER WAS ABSTAINING ON THAT OTHER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, DO WE HAVE AN GUESS? WELL, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS, DO WE? OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA HEAR THAT ONE THIS EVENING. ALL RIGHT. UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM 23. [23. Code Amendment: Compatibility on Corridors (Part 1 of 2)] UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START, UH, DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT, SPEAKERS ON ONE. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, COMMISSIONER LEE ON ANN. SO WE WILL, UH, BEGIN THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ON ITEM 23. FIRST HEARING FOR MS. VASQUEZ. MS. VASQUEZ, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. HEY, Y'ALL. CYNTHIA VASQUEZ HERE AGAIN. UM, I WANNA TALK TO Y'ALL, AND I'M GLAD SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP THE DECEMBER 13TH RUNOFF ELECTION DATE. UM, AGAIN, REPEATING HISTORY AND ASKING A LOT OF US, AND I APPRECIATE SOMEBODY STATING HOW YOU'RE VOLUNTEERING. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME. I'M A VOLUNTEER TOO. I VOLUNTEER AT MY NEIGHBORHOOD PANTRY. I ALSO SERVE ON OUR AUSTIN COUNCIL PTAS AS A DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION CHAIR. [01:15:01] I ATTEND OUR SOUTHEAST AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT TEAM MEETINGS. I ALSO HOST CONVERSATION SPACES, EQUITY SPACES, KNOWN AS, UM, RACE TALKS FOR OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. SO, I DO UNDERSTAND THE TIME CONSTRAINTS. THIS IS ALSO WHY I'M ASKING Y'ALL TO PLEASE POSTPONE THIS TWO STATEMENTS THAT I HEARD TODAY, PROCESSES WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH. AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE COMMISSION STATED TODAY IS, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE YOU ALL HAVE HAD CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. SO AT YOUR PUBLIC HEARING, WHAT KIND OF DIFFERENCE DID Y'ALL HAVE IN CITIZENS COMMUNICATION COMPARED TO THESE MEETINGS RIGHT NOW? ALSO, THE IMPACT THIS COMMISSION CONTINUES TO HAVE ON COMMUNITIES THAT YOU KEEP MAKING VULNERABLE. WHAT'S KEEPING Y'ALL FROM HOSTING THESE CONVERSATIONS IN THE, THE COMMUNITIES THAT Y'ALL KEEP DOING THAT TO? IT COSTS ME CLOSE TO $30 TO GET HERE TODAY. MY CAR NEEDS BRAKES AND ROTORS, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE I'M, I'M SO BUSY . SO I CAUGHT A 30 MINUTE LIFT TO BE HERE. MY NEIGHBORS CAN'T DO THAT S**T, NOT ALL OF THEM. I'M IN A PRIVILEGED POSITION RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED PART-TIME FOR THE LAST YEAR AND RECENTLY SECURED A FULL-TIME JOB. SO WHEN I HEAR Y'ALL PROUDLY EXCLAIMING THAT YOU'RE HOSTING THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, I GET IT. BUT I COULDN'T BE THERE, AND I KNOW FOR DAMN SURE MY MAMA WASN'T THERE. AND SHE HAS AN ADDRESS THAT IS IN THAT SECOND STREET DISTRICT THAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY COOL FOR ALL OF YOU TO SIT HERE AND DISCUSS CREATING YOUR EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY. HOW COOL FOR Y'ALL TO SIT AND DECIDE, OOH, Y'ALL WANT TO HEAR THIS INFORMATION. WHY AREN'T Y'ALL DOING THAT S**T FOR ME OR FOR US? WE DON'T GET TO CREATE THESE OPPORTUNITIES. I HAVE TO GO FIND THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA SHARE THAT PRIVILEGE AND ACCESS WITH ME. I SEEN NONE OF Y'ALL IN MY HOOD. WELL, I TAKE THAT BACK. SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE SEEN IN MY HOOD, I NEED TO BE REALLY SPECIFIC. BUT COME TO OUR, COME TO OUR COMMUNITY, HAVE IT AT THE REC CENTER, HAVE IT AT THE CHURCH. IF YOU REALLY WANNA INFLUENCE THAT COMMUNITY OR CITIZEN'S COMMUNICATION, COME MEET US WHERE WE'RE AT. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE TAKEN UNDOING RACISM, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A MEASURE OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE SENSE OF GOING INTO THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE VULNERABLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE, I HEAR FROM MR. ROY WALEY, UH, SPEAKING TO THE PRESS DEPARTMENT ON ITEM 23. HOW Y'ALL, MY NAME'S ROY WALEY. I'M THE CONSERVATION CHAIR FOR THE AUSTIN REGIONAL GROUP, THE SIERRA CLUB. AND THANK GOODNESS FOR VOLUNTEERS, WHICH WE ALL ARE, UM, AND INFORMED AND ENGAGED VOLUNTEERS, AND I LEARNED MORE FROM MY FRIENDS ON DIFFERENT ISSUES THAN I COULD EVER LEARN BY MYSELF, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, AND ALSO, UH, FROM, FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT. UM, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GET POSTPONED. IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION. UM, SO THAT'S, UH, IN A NUTSHELL RIGHT THERE, UM, ASKING FOR A POSTPONEMENT ON THIS. AND THEN, UH, THE MORE, THE MORE INPUT YOU HAVE, THE BETTER AND THE MORE OPPORTUNITY THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO COME HERE. AND YES, WE'VE HEARD THIS OVER AND OVER FROM COUNCIL AND OTHERS, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT EASIER TO PE FOR PEOPLE TO SHOW UP. DO IT. I'M GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. BUT DO IT. I MEAN, NOT EVERYONE IS BRAIN DAMAGED LIKE I AM AND KEEPS COMING DOWN HERE TO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMMISSION MEETINGS AND COUNCIL MEETINGS OVER AND OVER. I AM A VOLUNTEER. I STILL HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING. SO I UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT IS TO BALANCE THE CONCERN FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR YOUR CITY, FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS. SIERRA CLUB SUPPORTS OUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY SUPPORT US TOO. BUT THIS IS A HARD THING TO DO, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ZEALOUSNESS TO DO THIS. PLEASE CONSIDER GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE MOST AFFECTED AND, AND HAVE INPUT FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE MOST AFFECTED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [01:20:02] THANK YOU. CHAIRS READY FOR DEBATE STARTING Q AND A AGAIN? UM, I WOULD PROPOSE THERE'S NO OBJECTION THAT WE, UH, GO WITH OUR FIVE, THREE MINUTES AGAIN IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. UH, SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO START, UH, WITH QUESTIONS? OKAY, MR. ANDERSON, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO SPEND 20 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THEN POSTPONE IT, OR IF WE CAN JUST GET A MOTION GOING TO POSTPONE IT FOR WEEK. LIKE, I THINK I HEARD EVERYONE SAYING WE WERE GONNA DO, WE COULD, UM, WE COULD, UH, WE COULD CALL THE QUESTION. I MEAN, THERE'S, START OUT THERE. ANY OPPOSITION TO TAKING A VOTE, UM, ON MAKING A ENTERTAINING A MOTION RIGHT NOW ON POSTPONEMENT OF THIS ITEM? ANY POSITION TO THAT? UM, OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? ARE WE, ARE WE POSTPONING THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AS WELL AS THE ACTION? OR WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SEE THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF POSTPONE THE ACTION? I THINK, UH, IF WE, WE WOULD NEED TO HEAR THE ITEM, UH, SO WE WOULDN'T BE POSTPONING, BUT WHEN WE HEAR THE ITEM, WE CAN HEAR THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AND THEN AT THAT POINT, POSTPONE IT. THAT'S RIGHT. THIS IS JUST ON, YES. BUT WE NEED TO VOTE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT THIS EVENING OR NOT. AND THEN WE CAN FOLLOW WITH A, A MOTION LATER ON WHETHER THE ACTION, SO THAT IS AN OPTION. IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION, I HAVE A MOTION. YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. OKAY. ANY, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? DON'T WANNA CIRCUMVENT THE PROCESS HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER COX, GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANDREW COULD TELL MR. RIVERA COULD TELL US, UH, IF THOSE WHO SPOKE UP IN FAVOR AND OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM, IF YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION IF THEY'RE STILL HERE OR ON THE LINE AND READY TO SPEAK, CHAIR, COMMISSION, LAY ON ANDREW. YES, THE, UH, STRENGTHS, UM, WHO HAVE SIGNED UP, UM, I BELIEVE ARE ALL, UH, PRESENT. UM, BUT I DID WANT TO, UH, REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT, UH, YOUR PROCEDURE FOR, UM, HEARING ITEM WOULD BE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING HERE PRESENTATION, UM, AND THEN GO INTO YOUR Q AND A. SO THANK YOU, . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DON'T WANNA, DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE. DO THEY HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR, UH, THE SPEAKERS? OKAY. HEARING NONE, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN THE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. I, I'M, I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE HEAR IT TONIGHT, AND CAN I SPEAK TO THAT IF I GET A SECOND? SPEAK TO IT TO IT. WE HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER COX, SECOND STEP MOTION. AND, AND I'M, I'M ONLY GOING TO MOVE THAT WE HEAR IT TONIGHT, SO WE CAN HEAR THE STAFF PRESENTATION AND THEN AND, AND HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THAT AT THAT POINT, AFTER THAT'S DONE, THEN I WOULD MOVE TO POSTPONE THE ITEM. KEEP KEEP IT OPEN, UM, UNTIL NEXT WEEK. BUT THAT WAY WE JUST, WE HEAR THE STAFF PRESENTATION TONIGHT AND, AND WE GET THROUGH THE, SOME OF THE PRESENTATION, SO IT'LL BE FASTER ON THE 15TH. JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THIS, ALLOW SPEAKERS THAT ARE READY TO SPEAK, TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? WOULD THAT BE ON THAT COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, I GUESS PRESENTATION, BUT THEN WE HAVE SPEAKERS IF EVERYONE YEAH, WE, WE, EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, AND THEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF, ET CETERA. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, OKAY, WE, WE HOLD IT. PEOPLE WHO WANT, WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT, AS I UNDERSTAND, CAN SPEAK ON ANY AGENDA ITEM AT ANY OTHER MEETING, SO THEY COULD SPEAK NEXT TIME AND, AND WE CAN HAVE A DEEPER ACTION DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME. SO, MR. RIVERA, I MEAN, WE, THIS IS WHETHER TO DISCUSS THE ITEM OR NOT, BUT WE'RE ALL, WE'RE PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, ALREADY KIND OF LIMITS ON THE DISCUSSION ITSELF INTO THIS MOTION. IS THAT, ARE WE, DO WE JUST NEED TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM OR NOT? AND THEN TAKE UP THE OTHER ITEMS LATER, CHAIR, COMMISSION LAY ON. SO TO PERFECT YOUR MOTION, YOU MIGHT JUST, UH, DENY THE, UH, REQUEST FOR POSTPONE AND MOVE FORWARD TO HEARING IT THIS EVENING, AND THEN, UH, POSTPONE ACTION TO A FURTHER DATE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS, THIS MOTION, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, IS JUST TO DENY, POSTPONE. AGREED. OKAY. ALL [01:25:01] RIGHT. UH, WE HAD A SECOND. BY WHO SECOND OF THIS? COMMISSIONER COX. UH, ANY ONE WANNA SPEAK AGAINST THIS MOTION? UH, SPEAK IN FAVOR. UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, TAKE A VOTE. UH, THOSE IN FAVOR OF, UM, THE DENIAL OF THE POSTPONEMENT FOR EITHER 23. THOSE ON THE DIAS IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S EVERYONE. THOSE, UM, VIRTUALLY, OKAY. IT'S UNANIMOUS. SO THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THIS ITEM AS WELL. AND, BUT WE, UH, AS FOLKS HEARD, WE WILL BE CONSIDERING, UH, WE WANNA HEAR THE SPEAKERS, WANNA HEAR STAFF PRESENTATION, BUT I HEARD, UH, A RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT, BUT THAT WE MAY POSTPONE ACTION TILL DATE, LATER DATE. OKAY. UM, BUT THE MOTION WAS WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAPE THIS SEPARATE DISCUSSION. UH, SO WE HAVE [24. Policy Plan: Equitable Transit-Oriented Development Policy Plan] A THIRD ITEM. YES. CHAIR. ITEM NUMBER 24, THE ETON. UM, WE HAVE MS, UH, GUZMAN SPEAKING TO A REQUEST FOR POSTON. OKAY. CHAIR, CAN I REQUEST A POINT OF PRIVILEGE, PLEASE? I'VE NEVER DONE IT WHILE I'VE SET UP HERE, UH, , I THINK WE ALL KNOW I HAVE TO GO CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING I GOTTA GET TO THAT I CAN'T TALK ABOUT HERE. BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER SPEAKING WITH THEIR COUNCIL PERSON TO REQUEST THAT NEXT YEAR ON ANY ELECTION DAY THAT THEY CONSIDER NOT ALLOWING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO MEET ON ELECTION DAY. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD POINTS HERE. NOW, THIS SHOULD BE A FEDERAL HOLIDAY AS IT IS IN MY OPINION, BUT, UH, THANKS EVERYONE. I'M SORRY, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A CAMPAIGN THING TO GO TO. THANK YOU. CHAIR COMMISSION LAY AARON IS A POINT OF INFORMATION. UM, THE COUNCIL IS, UM, CONSIDERING A RESOLUTION, UM, IN ONE OF THEIR UPCOMING MEETINGS FOR THAT, UM, VERY REQUEST THAT CHAIR MADE. OKAY, SO, SO, UM, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS? YES. SO WE'LL BEGIN HEARING WITH FROM MS. GUZMAN AS GUZMAN, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. JUST SPEAK TO THE POSTON REQUEST ON THE, UH, THE O ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU ANDREW FOR MAKING THAT CLEAR, CUZ EVEN I WASN'T SURE , UH, SINCE I'M SPEAKING ON SO MANY THINGS, UM, BASICALLY, WELL, FOR THE RECORD, MONICA GOOSE, MAN, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVEN SAID THAT ON ANYTHING THAT I'M SAYING TONIGHT. DISTRICT FOUR RESIDENT, UM, BASICALLY THAT A DETO POLICY PLAN SHOULD NOT BE VOTED ON, ON CONSENT. IT'S BEING USED AS A GUIDE FOR DENSITY. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN ENGAGEMENT. I MEAN, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE ENGAGEMENT, BASICALLY. THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS TO BE POSTPONED GREATER ENGAGEMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR AREAS THAT IT'S PLANNED THAT IT COULD IMPACT OR, OR INTENSIFY EXISTING, UH, DISPLACEMENT AND GENTRIFICATION. YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM. YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS WHOLE PUBLIC HEARING THING. I WAS TOLD BY CITY STAFF THAT PUBLIC HEARINGS DON'T COME INTO PLAY UNTIL COUNSEL. I FIND THAT INTERESTING SINCE YOU HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS HERE. SO THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE TIME AGAIN, LIKE THE OTHER STUFF, RECEIVE INFORMATION, TIME TO REVIEW IT, AND UNDERSTAND TIME FOR FOLLOW UP IN A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ENGLISH AND TO BEING A TRANSLATE BUTTON ON A WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD FOR ANYBODY WHO LACKS DIGITAL ACCESS OR DIGITAL LITERACY. I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M TECH SAVVY. I AM PRIVILEGED, BUT I AM FED UP TO HEAR WITH HEARING ABOUT THAT WE STILL HAVE A DIGITAL DIVIDE THAT IS AN OLD SCHOOL TERM. PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO COULD BE, WILL BE IMPACTED, HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU ALL OTHER COMMISSIONS, THE COUNSELORS ARE MAKING DECISIONS IMPACTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE HISTORICALLY BORN THE IMPACT OF DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS, LAND USE DECISIONS, LAND USE, POLICY CHANGES. THEY BEAR THE BRUNT OF IT. THEY'RE TIRED OF IT. I'M TIRED OF IT, AND I'M MORE PRIVILEGED THAN THEY ARE. THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE TIME TO GET INFORMATION IN A FORMAT ACCESSIBLE TO THEM AND IN THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE. THANK YOU [01:30:02] CHAIR. THAT'S THE ONLY SPEAKER ON THAT'S ON FOR THE POST ONE. ALL RIGHT. UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM, JUST WANTED TO CHECK. DO WE, I'M GONNA TAKE A LEAD FROM COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. DO WE WANNA MOVE TO A MOTION ON THIS ONE OR DO WE HAVE QUE ACTUALLY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK IT'LL HELP INFORM US. ANDREW, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? WE'RE HEARING THIS TONIGHT, BUT WHAT ARE THE STEPS? IS IT GOING TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AT ALL, OR IS THIS REALLY, I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE TAKING ACTION ON IF WE APPROVE IT? BUT THEN I HEARD IT'S STILL GOING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A RESOLUTION. SO THEN WILL IT COME BACK TO US? HI, WARNER COOK, PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THE E T O D ITEM. SO THIS ITEM IS ACTUALLY NOT REQUIRED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ORDINANCE WHEN IT GOES TO COUNSEL. UM, COUNSEL ON DECEMBER 8TH IS BEING ASKED TO APPROVE IT BY RESOLUTION, BASICALLY GIVING STAFF DIRECTION THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT ANY FUTURE PLAN AMENDMENTS TO IMAGINE AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, EXISTING TODS CODES, THOSE WOULD ALL GO THROUGH THE STANDARD PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FOR EACH OF THEM. UM, SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT IS NOT SET ON A, AS A PUBLIC HEARING ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT. CORRECT? UM, YOU HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF CHOOSING TO TAKE ACTION ON IT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, WE STILL WANTED THE OPTION FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THIS CHANCE TO SPEAK ON IT. SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT ON YOUR AGENDA, UM, TO GIVE ANOTHER CHANCE INSTEAD OF ONLY THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. SO WE'RE INTER SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK, BUT THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. SO THE ACTION, WHAT IS BEING ASKED OF THE COM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF WE TAKE ACTION, IF YOU TAKE ACTION, IT WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND THE DRAFT POLICY PLAN DOCUMENT TO CITY COUNCIL OR WITH ANY AMENDMENTS OKAY. THAT YOU MIGHT MAKE TO IT AS YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IT. ALL RIGHT. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, AND I WOULD SAY LET'S, IF WE COULD STICK WITH OUR FIVE AT THREE, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, HEARING NO OBJECTIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. DO YOU, DO I HAVE A, OKAY. COMMISSIONER MOOW. I'M SORRY. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALSO. SO THIS IS A POLICY THAT WE WERE GIVEN ON OUR BACKUP MATERIAL RECENTLY THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND AND HAVE REVIEWED, AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON IN THIS ONE OPPORTUNITY. AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO REVIEW RESIDENTIAL ON COMMERCIAL, AND WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO REVIEW COMPATIBILITY, AND WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO REVIEW THE PALM DISTRICT. AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS EXCEPT A LITTLE OVERWHELMED FOR WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO, AND THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO IT IS THAT THAT'S, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND THIS TONIGHT, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SEND IT BACK IN 15 TO 20 MINUTES OR MAYBE AN HOUR ON THE WHOLE TRANSIT CORRIDORS. SO IS THAT, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF? IS I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO. I'M VERY CONFUSED WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO TONIGHT WITH THIS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER STEVIE GREATHOUSE. I'M A DIVISION MANAGER IN THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT, SO THE AGENDA IS VERY FULL. WE RECOGNIZE THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH DEVELOPING ALL OF THESE DELIVERABLES IN AN ATTEMPT TO BRING THEM TO CITY COUNCIL BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO WE ARE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. UM, JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. UM, ON THE, SPECIFICALLY ON THE EQUITABLE TOD POLICY PLAN, IT IS BEING RECOMMENDED BY RESOLUTION RATHER THAN BY ORDINANCE. AND AS A RESULT, RESOLUTIONS DON'T GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. BUT STAFF IS VERY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE INPUT AND HAVE ROBUST INPUT ON THAT DOCUMENT, UM, WHICH IS WHY IT HAS BEEN PLACED ON THIS AGENDA AND ON A COUNCIL AGENDA FOR COMMENT. BUT I ALSO JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, WHICH WE WILL BE ABLE TO KIND OF GET INTO, UM, WHEN WE DO MAKE THE PRESENTATION ON THE EQUITABLE TOD POLICY PLAN. THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CAPITAL METRO, UM, LEADING UP TO THIS POINT. SO FOR THIS DOCUMENT, THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S BEEN OUT THERE. I TOTALLY HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION ON THE PART OF THE COMMISSION AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE HEARING ABOUT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AROUND, SORT OF TURNAROUND, UM, RELATED TO PROVIDING COMMENTS AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR AND TONIGHT, GET IT, UNDERSTAND IT. BUT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY FOR THE EQUITABLE TOD POLICY PLAN, [01:35:01] BECAUSE IT'S BEING RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY RESOLUTION. IT DOESN'T UNDER CITY PROCESS REQUIRE A HEARING, BUT WE ARE INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM FOLKS EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM THEM THROUGH THAT FORMAL HEARINGS PROCESS. OKAY. A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION. ANDREW, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM CHAIR COMMISSION? YES, I HAVE. I HAVE A, UM, A PUBLIC SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. RIGHT. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR WE, UH, MAKE A MOTION. GO AHEAD. COMMISSION AAR MS. GREAT. HUSS, I'M SORRY. I'M GONNA HAVE TO EITHER ASK YOU OR MS. GO TO COME UP HERE AGAIN. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A SPEAKUP AUSTIN PAGE TO THIS. CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE THAT PUBLICLY SO FOLKS LISTEN IN, KNOW THAT THAT PAGE IS AVAILABLE AND HAS BEEN POSTED FOR A WHILE SO FOLKS KNOW WHERE TO GO TO FIND MORE INFORMATION. HELLO AGAIN. WARNER COOK, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. SO I BELIEVE THE LINK IS SPEAKUP AUSTIN.ORG/E T O D POLICY PLAN. IT'S ALSO ON THE LAST SLIDE OF THE BACKUP PRESENTATION THAT IS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S MEETING TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOLKS WERE ABLE TO HEAR THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, SO, UM, THIS IS WHETHER OR NOT WE, AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY DOING DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT RIGHT NOW, WHETHER WE POSTPONE THIS, AND PLEASE RECOMMEND THE DATE, UH, TO TAPE THIS UP, IF THAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR MOTION. ANY MOTIONS. I'M GONNA MOVE TO HEAR IT TONIGHT WITH THE SIMILAR, UH, THAT I WILL LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I WILL ALSO MOVE TO POSTPONE IT AFTER WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY? SO, UM, THE MOTION IS TO DENY POSTPONEMENT. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND VICE? HE'S SEXIST. UH, ANYMORE YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? ANYONE WANNA SPEAK AGAINST THIS MOTION? BUT MSAR I'LL BE SPEAKING AGAINST MOTION IF WE'RE POSTPONING. I, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD MOVE THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS IN THE PALM SCHOOL DISTRICT TO THE 15TH. I JUST WANNA BE VERY CLEAR, WE'RE DOING ONE DISCUSSION, FOUR PRESENTATIONS AND TESTIMONY ON ALL OF THOSE. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, FOLKS, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE LAST ITEM, THEY WILL BE HERE TILL 11:00 PM SO IF THE ENTIRE IDEA WAS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT WE'RE ALSO, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THIS POINT. WE'RE GONNA BE SITTING HERE ALL NIGHT FOR SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING ACTION ON TONIGHT. RIGHT? SPEAKING IN FAVOR, THIS MOTION AGAINST, OKAY, LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE ON THE ITEM TO, UH, DENY POSTPONEMENT OF ITEM SET 24 AND 24. CORRECT. OKAY. UH, OKAY. THOSE ON THE DIAS AND FAVOR OF DENYING POSTPONEMENT. OKAY. AND THOSE, UM, IN, UH, VIRTUALLY IN FAVOR OF DENYING POSTPONEMENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ON THE DIOCESE ARE, UM, NOT IN FAVOR OF DENYING POSTPONEMENT. 1, 2, 3. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ON VIRTUALLY THAT ARE, UH, NOT IN FAVOR OF DENYING POSTPONEMENT TO HOLD YOUR CARDS UP. UM, AND THEN I HAVE YELLOW COMMISSIONER MOOW. THAT'S OKAY. SO THAT MOTION FAILS, UM, WITH SHA UH, COMMISSIONER AZAR, COMMISSIONER SHAW, UH, COMMISSION. POLITO COMMISSIONER COX, COMMISSIONER FLORES, COMMISSIONER HOWARD VOTING AGAINST AND COMMISSIONER, UH, UM, ALAIN. SO THAT MOTION FAILS. YOU HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. COMMISSIONER DESAR CHAIR, MAKE A POSTPONE, UH, MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM DUE NOVEMBER 15TH. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER COX? UH, ANYONE WANNA SPEAK FOR AGAINST YOU WANNA SPEAK FOR? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THIS. THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS. UH, THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONEMENT ON THE DIAS, MR. SHE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, AND THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONEMENT TILL 1115 VIRTUALLY. ALL RIGHT. THOSE AGAINST POSTPONING TO 1115, UH, ON THE [01:40:01] DIAS, UH, VIRTUALLY. SO WE HAVE HOLD YOUR RED UP, UM, AND ABSTAINING. SO THAT MOTION PASSES WITH, UH, IF I'VE GOT THE COUNT RIGHT, UH, VICE SHARON HEMPLE, MR. MOSH, TOLER VOTING AGAINST THE ITEM. AND COMMISSIONER SHAY ABSTAINING. DID I GET THE COUNT RIGHT? ALL RIGHT, SO THAT PASSES. SO WE'RE GONNA HEAR THIS ITEM ON 1115. GO AHEAD, MR. . SURE. I KNOW WE ALREADY, IN OUR CONSENT AGENDA POSTPONED, UM, ACTION ON PALM DISTRICT TO THE 15TH MEETING. CAN, IS THERE STILL A POSSIBILITY TO POSTPONE THE PRESENTATION AS WELL? UH, I DON'T THINK, I THINK WE ALREADY VOTED TO DISCUSS THAT ITEM, CORRECT. CHAIR COMMISSION LADIES ON AM. SO IF THE, UH, IT'S A DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION TO RECONSIDER THAT POSTPONEMENT TIME MEMBER FROM THE PREVAILING SIDE CAN, UH, MAKE THAT MOTION. AND IF WE COULD JUST, UM, FOR THE, UH, ITEM ON 24 THAT YOU JUST POSTPONED TO NOVEMBER 15TH, IF YOU'LL PLEASE TO NOTE THAT THAT IS AT, UH, 5:00 PM OH, YES. THE BOARDS OF COMMISSION, SIR. CORRECT. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO DO A RECONSIDERATION. SO, UH, DOES ANYBODY FROM THE PREVAILING SIDE WANT TO VOTE TO RE PUT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER CHAIR BEFORE WE GO THROUGH A HALF AN HOUR DISCUSSION ON POSTPONEMENT AND A MOTIONS? IS THERE A WAY FOR ME TO GET AN IDEA FROM MY COMMISSIONERS? ARE WE FINE WITH POSTPONING THE PRESENTATION FOR THE BOMB DISTRICT OF THE 15TH? UH, SHOW OF HANDS, UH, FOR THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING PALM DISTRICT IN ITS ENTIRETY STATUTE. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UM, REQUEST A RECONSIDERATION OF THAT MOTION FOR THAT ITEM, UM, TO BE RECONSIDERED. ALL RIGHT. SO WE GOTTA RECONSIDER, UM, THAT WE ARE, UH, THIS IS THE ITEM WAS ON THE CONSENT. THIS IS GONNA BE DISCUSSED. UH, SO WE'RE RECONSIDERING THAT TO POSTPONE IT. SO, UM, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE SECONDED THIS. ANYBODY? WE HAVE A SECOND ON COMMISSIONER AAR'S MOTION. UH OH. COMMISSIONER COX ON MR. HAND. OKAY. UH, ANY WE NEED TO SPEAK ON THIS OR DO YOU WANNA VOTE? I'M JUST GONNA SAY ONE THING ON THIS. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO POSTPONE THE PRESENTATION ON THIS, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS MOTION JUST FOR THE SAKE OF RECONSIDERATION, CUZ WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE MOTIONS FOR NO REASON. SO IF YOU DO NOT WISH FOR US TO POSTPONE IT, THEN DON'T VOTE FOR THIS MOTION SO THAT THIS MOTION FAILS AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION TODAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE FOR RECONSIDERATION THOSE ON THE DIAS IN FAVOR OF RECONSIDERATION. OKAY. THOSE ON, UH, VIRTUALLY IN FAVOR OF RECONSIDERATION. 1 2 3 4 5 0 6 3. AND OKAY. THOSE ON THE, UM, THOSE , ARE YOU, ARE YOU IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT, SO I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY VOTED IN FAVOR, CHARLES GOMEZ AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO NUMBER 15. ALL RIGHT. UH, LET'S GO AHEAD. IF NOBODY OBJECTS, LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE. UH, DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU, MR. COX. LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE THAT'S ON THE DIAS FAVOR OF POSTPONING TO 1115. AND THAT IS VIRTUALLY IN FAVOR OF POSTPONEMENT AND CHAIR. JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS GETS POSTPONED TO 5:00 PM ON NOVEMBER 15TH AT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION ROOM. THANK YOU. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD JOB. WE NOW CAN GET STARTED WITH OUR DISCUSSION CASES. UH, DO WE NEED, UM, I WOULD, UM, IF WE CAN JUST A QUICK BREAK, UH, FIVE MINUTES AND WE'LL COME BACK. LET'S COME BACK AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. OKAY. I'M HEARING, UH, OPPOSITION TO THAT. SO LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, TAKE UP OUR FIRST DISCUSSION CASE, WHICH IS ITEM IS IT [19. Site Plan: SP-2022-0010DT - The Alright Parking; District 1] 19. THANK YOU CHAIR. WELL, UM, HERE, ITEM 19 AND, UM, MISS, UM, BARTON HOMES, WELL PROVIDED THE STAFF PRESENTATION. EVENING COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. UM, ITEM 19 IS FOR THE ALL RIGHT. PARKING FACILITY. UM, OKAY. IT IS, UH, FOR A 16 SPACE OFFSITE ACCESSORY PARKING LOT THAT IS GOING TO SERVE AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL USE THAT IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH, NORTH. IT'S, UH, NOT A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, IT'S JUST OFFSITE FOR A PARTICULAR EXISTING BUSINESS. AND, UH, IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, UH, IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE. SO IT DOES REQUIRE CONDITIONAL, UH, APPROVAL BY THE LAND USE COMMISSION. [01:45:01] AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL. AND, UH, I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAD SOMEONE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROJECT. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, BEAR WITH ME JUST ONE SECOND. WE'LL BEGIN FROM HEARING FROM MR. BONHAM WHITE. MR. WHITE IS IN FAVOR. UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND COMMITTEE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. UH, MY NAME'S WHITE. I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT FOR THE AL RIGHT. UH, GREW UP IN THE AREA, CURRENTLY LIVING TWO DOORS DOWN FROM IT. UM, IT'S A EMPTY LOT RIGHT NOW. EVERYONE'S PARKING ON IT FOR VORTEX. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE FUTURE. WE'LL BE SHARING IT WITH THEM AND EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT IT JUST IS, UH, AN EYESORE AND DANGEROUS, AND IT'S NOT SERVING ANY PURPOSES AS IS, UM, OPENING A BUSINESS WILL BE GOOD FOR THE AREA. UM, YEAH, PRETTY MUCH THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CLEAN IT UP AND GET A, GET A BUSINESS AND DO A VACANT SPOT IN A VACANT LOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, NOW HERE FROM THE OPPOSITION, MS. ATHENA LAYTON. MS. LAYTON, SELECT STAR SIX. PROCEED WITH YOUR REMARKS. LAYTON. UM, THERE ARE BARS AND RESTAURANTS ON MANNERS THAT OFFER A VARIETY OF PARKING, MAINTAIN FROM THE EXCESSIVE PARKING AT HAYMAKER TO BE APPARENTLY NON-EXISTENT. AT SCHOOLHOUSE, THEY ALL SEEM TO DO A GREAT BUSINESS AND HAVE A STEADY STREAM OF CUSTOMERS. OFF STREET. PARKING DOESN'T AFFECT BUSINESS BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE VISIT THE AREA BY BUS, BIKE, SCOOTER, OR ARE SIMPLY ABLE TO TRAVEL BY FOOT BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN THE AREA. EMPLOYEES OR DESIGNATED DRIVERS WHO DO NOT NEED OR WHO DO NEED TO DRIVE TO THE AL RIGHT BAR CAN UTILIZE THE AMPLE FREE PARKING ON THE STREET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE STREETS ARE QUIET, WILL LIT AND FREQUENTLY USED BY PEDESTRIANS. EAST OFTEN ALREADY HAS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TREE COVER AND A HIGHER AVERAGE TEMPERATURE THAN THE REST OF THE CITY. IF THE LOT IS PAVED OVER, ROUGHLY ONE, ONE THIRD OF THAT ENTIRE BLOCK WILL BE PARKING AND ALL THAT CONCRETE AND ASPHALT RETAIN PEAK, THE TREES ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS LAB WILL PRIMARILY PROVIDE SHADE FORS. CARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, WELL NOW HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FOR THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME'S THOMAS DEVAL. I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, SERVING AS THE AGENT ON THIS PROJECT. UM, SO, UH, YEAH, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS IT'S CODE COMPLIANCE. SO WE'RE PROVIDING THE PARKING BECAUSE CODE REQUIRES IT BE PROVIDED FOR THE, UH, THE BUSINESS THAT IT'LL BE SERVING. UM, AS POINTED OUT, IT'S AN EXISTING PARKING LOT ALREADY. IT'S JUST USED INFORMALLY. SO IT'S UNPAVED. UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST KIND OF A, A ROUGH AREA THAT PEOPLE ARE PARKING WHEREVER THEY CAN FIND THE SPOT. SO THERE ARE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE BEING PARKED ON, UM, THEIR POTHOLES, PUDDLES, ALL SORTS OF VOIDS. OUR GOAL IS TO COME IN AND, UH, PAVE IT AGAIN, PROVIDE CODE CT PARKING, IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE, UH, WHICH CURRENTLY ONE OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES NEXT TO IT IS IMPACTED BY DRAINAGE. SO WE'LL BE IMPROVING THAT WITH OUR DESIGN. UH, WE'RE ALSO PROTECTING THE TWO EXISTING HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY OR ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PARKED ON. WE'RE GONNA, AGAIN, THROUGH CODE COMPLIANCE, UH, MOVE THE PARKING OFF OF THOSE TREE ROOT ZONES. UM, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, BY PAVING THE PROPERTY, WE'LL REMOVE SEDIMENT, UM, AND DUST AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S TRACKED OFF OF THE PROPERTY. EVERY TIME CARS ARE COMING IN AND OUT. UH, WE'RE ALSO CLOSING AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY CUT. SO WE'RE GONNA BE IMPROVING THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS THROUGH THERE. WE'LL BE ABLE TO BETTER CONTROL THAT BY CLOSING THIS DRIVEWAY CUT, CHANNELING THE TRAFFIC ONTO THE ROAD THAT IT'S DESIGNED TO BE ON. UM, OTHER, OTHER LITTLE ITEMS ARE, THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT IMPROVEMENTS TO SIDEWALKS AND BIKEWAYS IN THE AREA. AND SO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GREAT TO HAVE, BUT THEY'VE ALSO REMOVED SOME EXISTING PARKING THAT WAS SERVING THE BUSINESS. SO THAT'S, UM, THIS NEW PARKING WILL HELP BRING BACK SOME OF THAT PARKING. YEAH. OUR GOAL IS TO NOT, YOU KNOW, IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ON STREET PARKING NEAR PEOPLE'S HOMES. WE WANT TO KEEP IT WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY PARKING, BUT CLEAN IT UP, UM, AND, AND MAKE IT MORE USABLE. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THIS CONCLUDES THE, [01:50:01] UH, SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM AND, UH, CONDUCTING YOUR Q AND A. DO YOU WISH TO DO THAT? UH, BY FIVE F THREE? DO I HEAR ANY? HOLD ON A SECOND. UH, ANY OPPOSITION TO REDUCE OUR Q AND A? GET RIGHT TO THE ROOM. OKAY. ANY OPPOSITION? DO FIVE AT THREE FOR THIS ONE. OKAY. HEARING NONE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE QUESTIONS. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OH, THANK YOU. UH, MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE SECOND COMMISSIONER ZAS GONNA TAKE A VOTE. UM, ALRIGHT, THAT'S UNANIMOUS. DID I GET, I'M SORRY. YOU DID OKAY. RIGHT. UM, ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND WE HAVE QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. UH, COMMISSIONER SHA UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE? HMM. ALL RIGHT, READY? YEAH, SO I WAS JUST LOOKING AT SOME PICTURES AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST AN EMPTY DIRT, WHATEVER LOT RIGHT NOW. UM, CAN YOU GO OVER ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE THERE, FOR INSTANCE, UM, PLANTINGS, BIKE FACILITIES, DETENTION, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, SIDEWALKS. CAN YOU TELL US HANDICAP PARKING? CAN YOU TELL US THE COMPONENTS OF THAT AND IF IT'S BEING INCLUDED AND HOW IT'S BEING INCLUDED? ABSOLUTELY, YES, SIR. YEAH, SO, UM, AS PART OF OUR DESIGN, WE'LL HAVE, UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PAVING UP, YOU KNOW, BELOW THE MAXIMUM THE PERVIOUS COVERED THRESHOLD. SO WE'LL HAVE IN THE GREEN SPACE, UH, LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONTAGE, UM, OF THE ROAD. WE'LL HAVE, UH, BICYCLE PARKING THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT'S CONSOLIDATED IN ONE SPACE. UM, WE'LL HAVE AN ONSITE DETENTION POND TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUT THERE. UH, WE'LL HAVE OTHER GREEN OPEN SPACE SURROUNDING THE PARKING LOT AS A BUFFER FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UM, WE WILL HAVE ADA PARKING TO, TO MEET REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT AS WELL. AND, UH, WE, WE'LL ALSO BE IMPROVING THE SIDEWALK ALONG CHESTNUT STREET, SO THAT PORTION WHERE OUR SITE FRONT'S CHESTNUT IS GOING TO BE UPDATED AND, UM, AND REDONE ALONG WITH LANDSCAPING ALONG THERE AS WELL. MM-HMM. AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING, I GUESS, LIKE HOW MANY TREES ARE YOU GUYS PUTTING IN? IT'S, IT'D BE HARD FOR ME TO QUOTE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER. I, I BELIEVE SO WE ALSO HAVE OVERHEAD UTILITY LINES, SO WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THAT LANDSCAPING MM-HMM. , BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, I BELIEVE MAYBE FIVE TO SIX, SEVEN PLANTINGS MM-HMM. , UM, SPACED ALONG THAT, THAT FRONTAGE. IT'S REALLY A PRETTY SMALL AREA. OKAY. AND I MEAN, THE WORST THING IS YOU PLANT ALL THIS STUFF AND THEN IT ALL DIES BECAUSE IT'S NOT MAINTAINED. RIGHT. RIGHT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE THING IS PARKING LOTS, IT'S LIKE, THERE SHOULD BE A BUILDING THERE OR BUSINESS WE'D LIKE THAT, BUT IF IT'S GONNA BE A PARKING LOT, IT BETTER BE NICE. AND MAYBE IT'S A GOOD WAY TO SERVE THE BUSINESSES AROUND THERE. RIGHT. BUT, UM, SO HOW ARE THESE ENHANCEMENTS, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE PLANTING, LIKE HOW IS THAT MAINTAINED WITHOUT, KEEP IT FROM DYING? RIGHT. THAT THAT'LL BE, UM, BASICALLY A REQUIREMENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAINTAIN THOSE PLANTINGS. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT'D BE LIKE ANY OTHER SITE WHERE IT'S, IT'S MM-HMM. , IT'S JUST ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO, TO MAINTAIN WHAT THEY HAVE. SO IS THERE LIKE IRRIGATION REQUIREMENTS? UM, THERE ARE, PART, PART OF OUR STRATEGY ON THIS ONE IS A LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SLOPE TO THE, TO THE SITE. SO WE'RE ALLOWING RUNOFF FROM THAT SITE TO ALSO MOVE ACROSS AND IRRIGATE PART OF THESE PLANNINGS. MM-HMM. , UM, THE PLANT FROM, AND I'M GOING OFF MEMORY A BIT HERE, BUT THE PLANNINGS ALONG CHEST, NOT ALONG THE STREET. THOSE, I'LL JUST WRAP THIS UP REAL QUICK. THOSE ARE GONNA BE ESTABLISHED, THEY'RE REQUIRED BY CODE TO BE ESTABLISHED AND THEN MAINTAINED, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE PERMANENT IRRIGATION. I, I, FROM WHAT I RECALL, THOSE PLANTING WERE SELECTED, UH, TO BE NATIVE VEGETATION THAT GOTCHA. ONCE ESTABLISHED. DOESN'T NEED THAT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL ON MY TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. UH, MR. THOMPSON, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO, SO YOU, YOU'RE ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION OF THE, ALL RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES, SIR. WELL, SO THE BUILDING, WHICH THIS IS SEPARATE FROM OUR PROPERTY, BUT YES, THAT, THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S BASED ON EXISTING PARKING THAT'S ALREADY SERVING IT, WHICH IS FAIRLY MINIMAL. SO OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING TO, TO REALLY BE ABLE TO USE THAT, UH, THAT BUSINESS TO A LITTLE MORE, I GUESS. BUT, BUT THEY HAVE A SITE PLAN. [01:55:01] SO THEY, THEY, UH, SITE PLAN EXEMPTION, I BELIEVE IS HOW THEY'RE PROCESSING THAT ONE. BUT, BUT THEY FULFILLED ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING FOR THAT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT RELATED TO THE ALL? YES. THE, OUR, SO OUR SITE, UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS IN THE OFFSITE ACCESSORY PARKING FOR THAT, BUT IS A DIFFERENT OWNER. UH, I, I THINK THE TWO OWNERSHIPS ARE TECHNICALLY DIFFERENT LEGAL IN, WELL, HONESTLY, I, I DON'T KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT ONE. OKAY. YEAH. BUT, BUT I KNOW THE, THE, THE GOAL, AND I'M SORRY IF I'M GETTING BOGGED DOWN IN SOME OF THE DETAILS. THE GOAL IS FOR OUR, OUR PROJECT TO SERVE AS OFFSITE ACCESSORY PARKING FOR THE ALLRIGHT, UH, ESTABLISHMENT OR BUSINESS. BUT, BUT THE ALL-RIGHT. ESTABLISHED BUS OR BUSINESS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU GET THE CONDITIONAL USED OR NOT, IT, IT HAS THE PARKING, IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE TO, TO BE ESTABLISHED FOR A, FOR LIKE A SMALLER PORTION OF THE BUSINESS. I, YEAH. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ONE I CAN SPEAK TO QUITE AS WELL. IS STAFF ABLE TO ANSWER THAT AT ALL? SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO CAN POSSIBLY ANSWER IT. THERE'S SOMEBODY BEHIND YOU. SO AS, UH, WITH THE PERMITTING AS IT IS, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SORRY, BOTTOM, WHITE, BACK UP AGAIN. SO, UM, UH, WITH IT AS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE, IT'S A GRAB AND GO COFFEE SHOP. WE'D LIKE TO EXPAND, USE AND TRANS CHANGE INTO SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES MORE PARKING IN THE LONG TERM TO BE WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING. SO THIS IS A CHANGE. YOU, YOU WILL, WE WILL EVENTUALLY DO A CHANGE OF USE. YOU GET THIS PARKING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, PLE, UM, TO FOLLOW UP ON, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON'S QUESTION, UM, ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD THIS CORRECTLY, THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY IRRIGATION. AND I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SO I CAN SPEAK TO, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NATIVE DOESN'T MEAN THAT I CAN EXIST ON NO WATER. IF THERE'S NO WATER SOURCE FOR THIS, EVEN IF YOU'RE WATERING IT TO ESTABLISHMENT, YOU TURN OFF THE WATER, 100% OF THOSE PLANTS WILL DIE, ESPECIALLY AFTER OUR SUMMER THAT WE HAD. SO IS I, I WOULD, I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ASSURANCE OF IRRIGATION. UM, AND I THOUGHT PER CODE, WE, WE NEEDED IRRIGATION IN THESE SITE PLANS. BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLEAR UP THAT, THAT MISCOMMUNICATION, BECAUSE WITHOUT WATER, THESE PLANTS WILL DIE. THAT'S PART OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, IS MAKING THIS PARKING LOT SOMEWHAT MORE ATTRACTIVE. IS THAT THERE IS, THERE'S LANDSCAPE AROUND IT, BUT NO, THE WATER, IT WON'T BE THERE. OKAY. YEAH. AND, SORRY, THOMAS ALGAN. UM, YEAH, I, I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE AS WELL. SO THE, BASED ON THERE IS AN EXEMPTION, UH, FOR PERMANENT IRRIGATION THAT'S ALLOWED, AND THAT'S BASED ON, I, I BELIEVE IT'S THE AREA, UM, THAT IS BEING PLANTED. BUT THE LONG STORY SHORT IS WE, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED, THERE CAN BE WATERING FROM THE BUSINESS FROM, UH, THE AL RIGHT BUSINESS THAT'S DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, THEY CAN HAND WATER, UM, AND MAINTAIN IT, AND THE OBLIGATION WILL BE ON THEM TO, TO MAINTAIN IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU ALL RIGHT? WE GOT TWO MORE SPOTS IF NEEDED. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I, I WAS JUST GONNA BRING UP SOMETHING THAT, UM, FOR MY QUESTION AND COMMISSIONER HEMS, BUT, UH, APPENDIX ZERO ON THE SITE NOTES, UH, IT TALKS ABOUT AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION SYSTEM SHALL COMPLY WITH TCEQ CHAPTER 3 44, AS WELL AS THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS. IT TALKS ABOUT PROVIDING A CERTAIN MOISTURE LEVEL OUT TO SUSTAIN GROWTH OF THE PLANT MATERIALS. UM, AND IT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE MECHANISMS FOR IRRIGATION. SO COMMISSIONER HEMPLE, I MEAN, IS THIS A PRETTY STANDARD NOTE WHEN IT COMES TO SITE PLANS FOR IRRIGATION? UM, YES, BUT I, I HONESTLY DON'T WORK ON ANY PLANS THAT DON'T HAVE IRRIGATION. EVEN IF IT'S PUT IN PLACE AND YOU TURN IT OFF BECAUSE OF, OF DROUGHT, YOU STILL HAVE IT IN PLACE FOR TIMES WHEN YOU NEED AN EMERGENCY WATERING. SO, UM, OKAY. SO I'M GONNA CONTINUE MY, SINCE THERE WAS A SLIDE. YEAH. OKAY. AND I'LL STEER IT TO STAFF THEN, CAUSE STAFF ON THE SITE PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT THIS. SO IS THIS BASICALLY A REQUIREMENT [02:00:01] FOR IRRIGATION AND IRRIGATION TO BE CONTINUING TO BE MAINTAINED? MM-HMM. ? YEAH, THAT, THAT NOTICE ON THERE TO ENSURE THAT ANY LANDSCAPING THAT IS INSTALLED ON THE SITE IS, UH, MAINTAINED OR REPLACED. OKAY. SO THEY WILL HAVE IRRIGATION ACCORDING TO THIS, THEN IT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BUILD THIS MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND THEN TO PROVIDE IRRIGATION SO THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE REQUIRED LENS SAVING. YEAH. I ASSUME, I ASSUME THAT'S ANSWERED. OKAY. SO I HOPE THAT HELPS ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS CUZ IT'S, I SEE IT ON THE SITE PLAN. THANKS. I, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMISSION, ANDERSON, I THINK I HAVE A COUPON FOR STAFF, CITY STAFF. I'M, I'M CURIOUS, IS THIS, IS THIS REQUIRED FOR THIS BUSINESS OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THIS BUSINESS WANTS? JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT'S BEHIND, WHAT'S DRIVING THIS? IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE OPTED INTO, UM, OFFSITE ACCESSORY PARKING IS PERMITTED OR, OR CONDITIONAL IN MOST DISTRICTS IN THE CITY. AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS CAN OPT INTO IF THEY FEEL THEY NEED MORE PARKING. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT CITY CODE REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE THIS TO STAY IN BUSINESS OR FOR ANY OTHER USES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT, UH, CONCLUDES NUMBER FIVE. UH, DO WE HAVE, HAVE A MOTION, UH, GO MR. UH, MOTION TO APPROVE? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, MR. MS. CHILD, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? SURE. IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE IN THE CITY TOOLS, SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DECIDE PLAN EXEMPTIONS, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET TO BE ADDED TO DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. AND SO AS BUSINESSES CONTINUE TO DO THAT, YOU'RE GONNA END UP, YOU KNOW, SEEING THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE MORE NEEDS BECAUSE IT CAN TAKE MORE, UH, PEOPLE TO, TO COME TO THE PLACE. AND WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL PARKING, THEN IT STARTS GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND HERE IT WAS ALREADY ORGANICALLY HAPPENING. IN THIS CASE HERE, WE'RE TAKING A LOT THAT WAS BEING USED FOR THAT, AND INVESTMENTS ARE GOING INTO IT TO HAVE IT DONE PROPERLY. WE'RE EVEN TAKING THE, THEY'RE EVEN TAKING THE IMPERVIOUS COVER DOWN, ADDING, UM, A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT SHOULD ALSO BEAUTIFY IT VERSUS LEAVING IT AS IT IS. UM, I THINK FOR THE TIME BEING, THE INVESTMENT TO DO THIS WILL, UH, HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS IS THERE AND SOMETIME LATER, UM, IT CAN BE, UH, REPLACED WITH HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, SOME HOUSING AND SOME BUSINESS, YOU KNOW. UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD TO HELP, UH, THE SITUATION. OKAY. THEY'RE SPEAKING AGAINST THIS MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. UM, AND I'M LOOKING AT IT. THEY, THEY'VE GOT A LICENSE FOR A BREW PUB. IT'S GONNA BE A BREW PUB, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY GET THE PARKING OR NOT. UM, MAYBE SOMETIME LATER THE PARKING WILL BE REPLACED BY HOUSING, BUT I'M SURE NOT WITHOUT A FIGHT, . UM, AND, AND I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE GOAL OF THIS IS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE DEPENDENCY ON CARS. I CERTAINLY THINK THAT MORE PEOPLE DRIVING TO BARS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF TRANSPORTATION IN THIS CORRIDOR. UH, IT, IT, IT'S AN ACTIVE CORRIDOR WHERE LOTS OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FIND THEIR WAY THERE WITHOUT A CAR, UH, EVERY EVENING. AND I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS. ALL RIGHT. DOES SPEAK IN FAVOR? UH, COMMISSIONER ? I, I'M NOT SURE THIS CORRIDOR IS AS MULTIMODAL ACTIVATED, UM, AS, AS WE'RE THINKING. UM, AND THIS IS, UM, I, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SHEA THAT WE'RE GONNA GET, IT'S BEING USED ANYWAY. IT'S ESSENTIALLY BEING USED ILLEGALLY FOR PARKING. UM, THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE TREES THAT ARE THERE. THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE EROSION ISSUES. THIS SEEMS LIKE A BETTER SOLUTION. WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER BETTER CHOICE IN FRONT OF US AT THE MOMENT. WE HAVE THE CHOICE THAT WE'VE GOT. AND I, I'D RATHER NOT LEAVE IT UNDEVELOPED OR HAVE PEOPLE, UH, DOUBLE PARKING ALONG THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR IT. I'D RATHER HAVE A DESIGNATED SAFE PLACE, UM, AND GET THOSE CARS OFF THE STREET SO THAT PEOPLE CAN BIKE SAFELY. RIGHT. SO, SPEAKING AGAINST THIS MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER ZAR, I'LL, I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK. I, I THINK I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FOR NEEDING MORE PARKING HERE, AND I WISH OUR STAFF WAS ABLE TO WORK ON SOME [02:05:01] KIND OF PARKING MANAGEMENT FOR THE CORRIDOR TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE BUSINESSES CAN PARK. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I'M NOT SURE THAT CONVERTING IN LOT ON THE CORRIDOR TO PARKING IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO MEET OUR ASMP GOALS OR ANY OF OUR IMAGINE AUSTIN GOALS AROUND COMPACT AND CONNECTED. SO I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS. I, ALL RIGHT, LET SPEAK IN FAVOR. I MEAN, WE HAVE A S**T AND ONE SPEAKING. ANYONE WANNA SPEAK AGAINST? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE. THIS IS A MOTION BY SHAY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MUTO. ANSWER REAL QUICK. OKAY. WE HAVE MR. I, I'M, I LOVE THIS AREA. I'M IN THIS AREA ALL THE TIME ON MY BIKE, AND I DON'T KNOW, I JUST CAN'T, I CAN'T GET BEHIND TRYING TO PASS AND APPROVE MORE SURFACE PARKING IN AN AREA THAT IS SO DYNAMIC AND BIKEABLE AND WALKABLE AND, AND ACTIVATED, AND TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO COME AND, AND HAVE A GOOD DRINK OR 10 AND DRIVE HOME. I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO GET AROUND HERE WITHOUT A CAR. THIS SEEMS TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THAT. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR OR AGAINST, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UM, THIS IS THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHAY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MUSH TOLER TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THOSE ON THE DIAS IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. THOSE, UM, VIRTUALLY PLEASE, UH, IN FAVOR, PLEASE SHOW ME YOUR GREEN. LET'S SEE. LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER COX MUSH AND HOWARD. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THOSE ON THE DIAS, UH, AGAINST THIS MOTION. ALL RIGHT. AND THOSE ON THE SCREEN, UH, THAT ARE AGAINST THIS MOTION SHARE TEMPLE, THOSE ABSTAINING. OKAY. WAIT, FLORES AND THOSE ABSTAINING. SO THAT, UM, JUST GET MY NUMBERS RIGHT, THAT MOTION FAILS WITH, UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, THOMPSON, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON COMMISSION, SHOCK COMMISSIONER, ZAS, UH, COMMISSIONER TEMPLE, COMMISSIONER FLORES COMMISSIONER, UH, ALL VOTING, UH, OPPOSING THIS ITEM. COMMISSIONER POLITO ABSTAINING. I THINK I GOT THAT RIGHT. SO THAT MOTION, UH, DOES NOT PASS. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION CHAIR COMMISSION LAY ON ANDREW BY, UH, LACK OF AFFIRMATIVE VOTE TO APPROVE, UH, YOU EFFECTIVELY DENIED AND NO FURTHER ACTION STATE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE, UM, COULD I, COULD ANY OBJECTION TO A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL RECONVENE HERE AT, UH, FRANCISCO 8 25. OKAY, SO WE HAVE QUO, UH, I THINK I ALREADY RECONVENED, UH, BUT IT'S 8 33. LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, GET STARTED ON ITEM 22. AND WE'LL START WITH THE STAFF PRESENTATION. NO. [22. Code Amendment: Residential in Commercial (Part 2 of 2)] OH, SPEAK. I'M SORRY. UH, WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT INTO SPEAKERS. UH, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SO PATIENT. THOSE OF YOU THAT CAME TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, TWO MINUTES EACH. IS THAT CORRECT? MR. RIVERA CHAIR COMMISSION, UH, ANDREW RIVERA? THAT IS CORRECT. AND SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH, UH, MR. RICK CAC, UH, FOLLOWED BY MS. MONICA GUZMAN. OKAY. UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO MS. MONICA GUZMAN. MR. GUZMAN, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ITEM 22. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED ABOUT NO POSTPONEMENT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. IN THE LISTENING SESSION, I RAISE SOME QUESTIONS. I KNOW COMMISSIONER AS ALL, AND THE OTHERS PRESENT HEARD THEM. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD AND ANYBODY WHO'S TUNED IN, IN PERSON OR REMOTELY IS SOME QUESTIONS THAT, UM, WE WANT TO HEAR STAFF ASKING. WE WANT TO HEAR YOU ASKING. AND IT'S, WHAT USES ARE PERMITTED IN INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL ZONES THAT ARE NOXIOUS TO RESIDENCES AND RESIDENTS? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A SAFE DISTANCE FROM THESE USES THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED IN THE ORDINANCE? WHAT I GAVE AS AN EXAMPLE WAS [02:10:01] IN A STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, AND I HOPE IT'S MUCH MORE THAN ME STANDING HERE, IS REACH OUT TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ALREADY HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCES, THE ONES WHO LIVED AROUND THE HOLLY POWER PLANT, HOW IT AFFECTED THEIR HEALTH, HOW IT AFFECTED THE NEXT GENERATION'S HEALTH, WHAT IT DID TO THE COMMUNITY AND SO ON. ENGAGED THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED OVER ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FROM THE AIRPORT THAT WERE FIGHTING THE JET TANK FARMS FOR FEAR OF THE SAME THING. YOU CAN'T JUST BE BUILDING RESIDENTS ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. HOW CLOSE IS IT TO MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS, THE HIGHWAYS, THERE'S EXHAUST, THE ENVIRONMENT, PEOPLE'S HEALTH. UM, HAS HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT ENGAGED WITH PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS ON HEALTHY DISTANCES FROM HIGHWAYS AND NOXIOUS USES. HAS A LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY BEEN CONSULTED IN THIS? THEY SHOULD BE PART OF THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS CUZ IT'S GOING TO INCREASE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE ON THEIR STOREFRONTS. SO IN MY AREA, RUNDBERG AND DISTRICT FOUR, THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT I CALL SMALL MOM AND POP TYPES. EVEN THE ETHNIC BUSINESSES, THEIR CHAIN IS LIKE MAYBE TWO LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT. I DON'T CONSIDER THAT A CHAIN THAT'S SMALL. YOU'RE GONNA, WELL, MY FEAR IS THE, THE BOUTIQUE SHOPS LIKE YOU SEE ON SOUTH FIRST AND E SIX, AND I'M SORRY, I'M TALK TALKING TOO SLOWLY, BUT THOSE WERE THE THREE MAJOR POINTS QUESTIONS. THERE NEEDS TO BE A ROBUST STAKEHOLDER PROCESS THAT IT INCLUDES PEOPLE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCES, BUSINESSES WITH LIVED EXPERIENCES, SO THAT YOU HEAR FROM THEM BEFORE MAKING ANY DECISIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOT HEAR FROM MS. FRANCIS KUYA. MS. KUYA, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. OKAY. UH, MOVING ON TO, UH, MS. KATHLEEN CONNORS. MS. CONNORS, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. OKAY, MISS KUYA. UM, UH, YOU CAN PROCEED WITH YOUR MARS. YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. AND ARE WE GOING BACK TO 22? 23 ADAM? 22. OKAY. OKAY. UH, THE, WELL, MY NAME IS FRANCIS KUYA. AND AGAIN, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR VOLUNTEERING. I KNOW THE LA THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE, I DIDN'T MENTION THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE TAKING TIME OF YOUR LIFE AND YOUR FAMILY SO YOU COULD BE HERE. AND, UM, SO THAT I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, GET IT OUT OF MY SYSTEM BECAUSE I DO GO BACK AND THEN I SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN HERE AND, UM, AND WE DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE IT. BUT, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, UH, YOU HAVE THE CHOICE SO YOU COULD BE ABLE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND ASK FOR, FOR AN EXTENSION OR EX OR POSTPONE IT AT LEAST A RECOMMENDATION IN ORDER FOR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO LEARN OF WHAT WE ARE, UH, TALKING ABOUT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD TO COME AND STAND HERE AND SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT WE ARE, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. I, UM, AS I WAS MENTIONING, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO LEARN, AT LEAST MYSELF, TRYING TO LEARN EVERYTHING THAT, THAT YOU YOURSELVES HAVE BEEN LEARNING. AND, UM, AND IT'S NOT EASY, ESPECIALLY IF I DON'T KNOW THE LANGUAGE. UH, I HAVE TO LIKE, WHAT IS A S M P? WHAT IS, UH, IMAGINE AUSTIN, IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE THAT STARTED. THAT WAS WHAT, IN 20 12, 20, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, UM, THAT'S WHEN IT STARTED. SO IT'S, I'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT. SO NOW I HAVE TO COME BACK AND READ ALL OF THAT AND, UH, HOW THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT ME AS A HOMEOWNER AND AS, UM, ALSO AS A FRIEND AND AS AN ORGANIZER. SO, UM, PLEASE CONSIDER ASKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT BENEFIT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE IMPACTED BY ALL OF THE, UM, INEQUITIES THAT WE ARE ALREADY FACING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. MS. KATHLEEN CONNORS, ARE YOU PRESENT? [02:15:02] NO. OKAY. UH, MS. ANNA GUI, MISS GUI, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. GOOD EVENING CHAIR, TODD AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU. MY NAME IS AN G AND I'M THE RESIDENT, A RESIDENT DISTRICT TWO. AS SIMPLE DISCLOSURE, I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, AM THE PRESIDENT OF DASA NEIGHBORHOODS COUNCIL, AND THE IMMEDIATE PAST OF THE SOUTHEAST NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM, I AM NOT REPRESENTING OR SPEAKING FOR THESE GROUPS. I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. I JUST WANT TO BRING UP A UNIQUE ISSUE IN OUR AREA, WHICH IS HEAVILY ZONE AS INDUSTRIAL. I AM REFERRING TO PAGE 26 OF 44 IN YOUR BACKUP. IT'S THE FIRST BULLET IN THE FIRST SENTENCE, WHICH STATES, THE US CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION RECOMMEND LIMITING DEVELOPMENT ALONGSIDE HIGHWAYS AND HEAVILY TRAFFICKED ROADS. THE ROAD I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IN OUR AREA IS FUR AND ROAD. IT IS HEAVILY TRAFFICKED BY COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND ENTIRE CONTACT TEAM MEETINGS. AIR QUALITY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THE RESIDENTS. THIS REPORT VALIDATES OUR CONCERNS. PLEASE CONSIDER RECOMMENDING STAFF AND PUBLIC HEALTH EXPAND THEIR STUDY TO INCLUDE THE CONSIDERATION ON WHETHER CERTAIN HEAVILY TRAFFIC ROADS SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED, PARTICULARLY IF THE HEAVILY TRAFFIC, IF THE HEAVY TRAFFIC INCLUDES A HIGH NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL, UH, VEHICLES. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ROADS WITH SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES IN THIS CITY, BUT IF THESE CONDITIONS EXIST, OUR RESIDENTS QUALITY OF LIFE, MORE SPECIFICALLY, THEIR HEALTH MUST BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE CHILDREN. THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY AND A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE AND HAS LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES AS HISTORICALLY EXPERIENCED BY RESIDENTS IN EAST AUSTIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. UM, SO WE SHOULD GO IN, UH, WE DON'T NEED TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE DO. WE NEED, UH, WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, COMMISSIONER ZAR AND I, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK THAT, UM, WE COULD GO THROUGH THE WORKING GROUP AND, AND GO THROUGH THAT, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO GET A SENSE, JUST A QUICK STRAW POLL OF THOSE THAT ARE MORE INCLINED TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THIS ITEM TO 1115. 1115. BECAUSE IF MOST OF US ARE GOING TO VOTE, IF THAT MOTION DOES COME UP TO POSTPONE, WE REALLY DON'T WANNA SPEND ANOTHER HOUR AND KEEP PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THE OTHER ITEMS. UH, KIND OF WAITING. SO JUST A QUICK SHOW OF HANDS ON THOSE THAT ARE, UM, LEANING TOWARD, UH, POST. YEAH, IT'S NOT, THIS IS JUST AT THIS POINT IN THE EVENING, UH, DOING A QUICK STRAW POLL. SO, UH, THOSE ON THE DYES THAT ARE LEANING TOWARD POSTPONEMENT ON THIS ITEM, UH, RAISE YOUR HANDS. SEEING NONE. OKAY. THOSE ON THE DICE THAT ARE LEANING ON, THANK YOU. VIRTUAL TOWARD POSTPONING THIS ITEM. IF A MOTION CAME UP, I SEE ONE. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, KEEP GOING AFTER THIS THING. SO, UM, I DID, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WAS ALREADY BEEN CLOSE FROM BY TIME COURT. NEVERMIND, UH, I ALMOST MADE THAT SAME MOTION. . ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NEXT IS LET ME GET MY, UH, YOU GUYS ARE USED TO THIS, UM, THE SPECIAL, UM, CODE, UM, RULES FOR DEBATE. UH, THESE WERE POSTED RATHER LATE. IT'S PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. UH, SO I WILL RUN THROUGH THESE, UM, OR WE CAN, UH, GET STARTED. BUT JUST REAL QUICKLY, UH, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE HAVE A, UM, WE GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH A BASE MO MOTION, AND THEN WE DECIDE ON WHICH WORKING GROUP AMENDMENTS, UH, WE WANT TO KEEP ON WITH THE, UH, CONSENT BASE MOTION AND WHICH ONES WE WANNA PULL FOR DISCUSSION. SO, UH, WE, WE NEED TO DO FIRST OF ALL, IS KIND OF GET, UM, ESTABLISH THE BASE MOTION, UH, FOR THIS ITEM 22. AND SO DO I HAVE A MOTION ON KIND OF THE BASE MOTION? COMMISSIONER ZAR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS ITEM. UH, AND OKAY. APPROVE. AND IS THAT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF? YES, IT IS. OKAY. SO APPROVAL AND WHICH [02:20:01] IS ALSO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN THIS CASE. OKAY. UH, DO YOU HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS BASE MOTION? UH, MR. THOMPSON, LET'S GO AND TAKE A, A VOTE ON THE BASE MOTION. SURE. OH, THANK YOU. I WAS GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO, THAT IS THE BASE MOTION. UH, NOW AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, START WITH THE FIRST WORKING GROUP AMENDMENT. AND THE CHAIR DOESN'T NEED, WILL GIVE TWO MINUTES TO PROVIDE BACKGROUND ON THE AMENDMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO WILL BE ALLOWED TWO MINUTES EACH TO ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. AND A REMINDER, THIS IS JUST TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE ITEM ANY FURTHER OR IF WE CAN LEAVE IT, UH, WITH, IN THE BASE. SO, UM, THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING AT THIS POINT, KIND OF SIFTING THROUGH THE WORK GROUP AMENDMENTS AND DECIDING WHAT GETS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION AND WHAT WE CAN APPROVE, UH, JUST WITH THE BASE. UH, SO, UH, WHO IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE WORKING GROUP THAT'S GONNA COMMISSIONER ZA. OKAY. UM, DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE US THROUGH THE FIRST WORKING GROUP AMENDMENT? THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO THE FIRST, UM, AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE WAS FROM COMMISSIONER SHA. THIS WAS IN, UH, RESPONSE TO THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO COUNSEL AT THIS TIME, THAT WE DO NOT APPLY 500 FOOT HIGHWAY BUFFER, UH, BUT RATHER WE'RE GIVING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TO GIVE DIRECTION TO FURTHER STUDY THIS ISSUE. ALL RIGHT. DO WE WANT TO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM TO GET, TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM EITHER STAFF OR THE WORKING GROUP? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. UM, DO COMMISSIONERS WANNA LEAD? JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, DO WE WANNA LEAVE THIS ON THE, IN THE BASE OR WE WANNA PULL UP FOR DISCUSSION? EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THE WORKING GROUP AMENDMENT? OKAY. UM, I'M NOT SEEING ANY HAND RAISED. OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA LEAD THIS IN THE BASE. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO NUMBER TWO. UH, NUMBER TWO IS ALSO AN ITEM FROM COMMISSIONER SHAY, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL USE FOR THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, FRONTING A TRANSIT CORRIDOR. SO A REMINDER THAT THIS CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENT, YOU CAN GO TO RESIDENTIAL. WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT FOR, UM, CORRIDORS WHERE YOU'RE FRONTING A, THE EDGE OF A PROPERTY WHERE YOU'RE FRONTING THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR, YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE GROUND DOOR COMMERCIAL. AND OF COURSE OUR STAFF WOULD WORK TO ENSURE, UM, THAT THAT IS REASONABLE IN TERMS OF ITS APPLICABILITY OF THE OVERALL LOT SIZE. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS, EITHER THE WORK GROUP OR STAFF? UH, BUTCHER HEMPLE. UM, I HAVE, UH, A QUESTION FOR THE WORKING GROUP. UM, DID YOU INTEND FOR THE GROUND FLOOR TO BE ACTIVATED OR TRULY COMMERCIAL? AND THE REASON I ASK IS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, LET'S SEE, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND YOU HAVE A COMPONENT OF THE COMPLEX THAT FACES ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND IS MORE OF A COMMUNITY USED FOR THAT COMPLEX, IT'S ACTIVATED AS A STOREFRONT. UM, I JUST, I REMEMBER WHEN, UM, MIXED USE WAS FIRST STARTING TO GO AND SOMETIMES THIS COMMERCIAL SPACE AS IF IT IS CAN ONLY BE COMMERCIAL, WILL SIT VACANT FOR A LONG TIME. SO JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS TALK AROUND THAT IN THE WORKING GROUP. SO WE ACTUALLY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AND WE TALKED ABOUT IN MUELLER WHERE, UM, THEY TRIED SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND IT DID NOT GET LEASED OUT, BUT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO GO AHEAD AND USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL. BUT THE GREAT THING IS THE PLATE HEIGHTS WERE ALREADY, SO IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE COMMERCIAL. THE INTENT ON THIS WAS, SO THIS TOOL DOESN'T END UP ERODING THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF COMPLETE COMMUNITIES. CUZ IF SOMEBODY, IF, IF PEOPLE JUST START DOING ALL RESIDENTIAL WITH NO ABILITY FOR ANY COMMERCIAL, THEN THAT NEGATES, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS WHITTLING AWAY AT COMPLETE COMMUNITY. SO BY HAVING A PROVISION LIKE THIS AND LET STAFF CRAFT IT, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE WHAT HAPPENED AT MUELLER, THEN AT LEAST WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE THAT ABILITY TO GET THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE. SO, UM, THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THIS, THE REQUIRE OF THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL, BUT ADAPTABLE IS, IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN. AND SO WE JUST KIND OF FOLLOWED WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST OF HOW THIS WAS HANDLED AND, AND COMMISSIONER J BUILD ON THAT COMMENT. SO THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE ACTIVATED COMMERCIAL SPACE, SO LEASING OFFICES CAN BE INCLUDED, BUT TO A CERTAIN LIMITATION. SO I KNOW [02:25:01] THAT IN THE VERTICAL MIXED USE ORDINANCE, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS AND HOW MUCH OF THE AREA HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL AND WHAT COMMERCIAL, WHAT COUNTS AS COMMERCIAL. SO HOPEFULLY OUR STAFF CAN LOOK AT THAT TO SEE DOES THIS, THIS IS A SIMILAR INTENTION TO HAVE ACTIVATED COMMERCIAL SPACE FRONTING THE CORRIDOR. UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO RAISE AND I HOPE OUR STAFF CAN NOTE THAT, UM, AS THE INTENTION BEHIND THIS AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, ADDITIONAL IS THAT ONE OR TWO? TWO. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. DO WE LEAVE THIS IN THE BASE OR DO WE, UH, PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION CHAIR? CAN WE PULL IT? OKAY. IT'S PULLED. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, TRY IN THIS ITEM ONE IS PULLED, ITEM TWO IS PULLED. SORRY. UH, OKAY, LET'S GO AND GO. AND, UH, LEAD US TO, UH, ITEM THREE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO, UH, THIS WAS A, UH, ITEM BY COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, WHICH WAS LOOKING TO PROVIDE, SO THIS WAS, UM, THIS IS VERBATIM COMING FROM COUNCIL'S RESOLUTION. UM, THIS IS NOT PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT STAFF HAD SHARED, BUT THIS WAS IN COUNCIL'S RESOLUTION. SO WE'RE AGAIN HIGHLIGHTING THAT COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE FOR GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, EXCUSE ME, PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE FOR GROUND FLOOR RETAIL BY INCREASING HEIGHT BY 10 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE A HIGHER CEILING ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND TO JUST CLARIFY, SO COUNCIL HAD SAID FIVE TO 10 FEET TO CONSIDER THAT WE SET 10 FEET. AND THE REASON FOR IT WAS TO ALLOW THAT LIVE, UM, LIVE WORK SITUATION THAT AGAIN WE SAW WITH MUELLER. SO BY GIVING THAT 10 FEET, YOU'RE ABLE TO PLAY AROUND WITH A CEILING HEIGHT AND HAVE THE LIVE WORK IF NEEDED. AGAIN, OF COURSE, IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, AND THERE WILL BE THE ABILITY TO CONVERT IT TO RESIDENTIAL ROOM. OKAY. UH, QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM THREE. ALL RIGHT. SAY NONE. UH OH. YES, I WAS COMMISSION . I HAVE ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION. OKAY. SO, UM, WAS THAT THIS IS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT ONLY RETAIL CAN BE, OR ONLY COMMERCIAL CAN BE IN THE FIRST FLOOR. WOULD RESIDENTIAL ALSO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL HI, THAT IS CORRECT. SO WE WOULD BE SAYING, UM, AND I SEE COMMISSIONER, YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO IT MAYBE AS WELL. I'LL JUST QUICKLY SAY THE IDEA IS THAT IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL, ALL RESIDENTIAL. THE IDEA IS TO ACCOMMODATE HONESTY COMMERCIAL, SINCE THAT WAS THE GROUND FOR RETAIL, WAS WHAT THE COUNCIL INTENTION WAS, AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING. BUT WE'RE ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT IN SOME OF THOSE LIVE WORK COMMERCIAL SPACES, WE HAVE SEEN CONVERSION LATER. SO I WOULD SUPPOSE THAT POST CONSTRUCTION CONVERSION WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HANDLED IN A SPECIFIC WAY. COMMISSION ALDA, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT. I WOULD JUST ADD THAT BY GIVING THAT HEIGHT, IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY AND POTENTIALLY SOME BENEFIT IN THE LIVING SPACE. SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA HEIGHT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, AND ACCOMMODATE RESIDENTIAL ABOVE. SO YOU HAVE ACTIVATED, BUT ALSO THAT BY GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF GIVE ON THAT HEIGHT, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL SPACES COULD GO FROM MINIMAL EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS TO NINE FOOT CEILINGS AND WOULD HAVE DESIRABLE LIVING SPACES. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO PULL IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, ITEM FOUR. THIS WAS AN AMENDMENT BY COMMISSIONER MOLER. IT'S QUITE SIMPLE. IT S PROHIBITS TYPE TWO AND TYPE THREE SDRS, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE COMPATIBILITY ORDINANCE AS WELL, AND WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT ACROSS THE TWO ORDINANCES. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM FOUR? OKAY. UM, LEAVE IT IN THE BASE MOTION, OR DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT. UH, SEE, NONE. WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT, UH, IN THE BASE. ITEM FIVE, ITEM FIVE, UM, WAS A AMENDMENT BY ME. THIS WOULD BE REMOVING CERTAIN LEASE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE ORDINANCE. AND THIS HAS A TAX CHANGE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO IN ONE SUBSECTION, THERE WERE THREE ITEMS. ONE WAS RELATED TO JUST CAUSE, UM, EVICTION. THERE WAS THE, UH, LEASE ADDENDUM FROM OUR AUSTIN HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, WHICH HAS A NUMBER OF ITEMS IN THERE, INCLUDING JUST CAUSE RIGHT TO ORGANIZE, UM, AND OTHER ITEMS LIKE RELOCATION, ET CETERA. WE WOULD STILL BE LIVING IN THE SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION PROTECTION, AND THE RIGHT TO ORGANIZE. UM, BUT REALLY WE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THIS FROM, UM, STAKEHOLDERS, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO GO BACK AND GO THROUGH A STAKEHOLDER PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THOSE LEASE REQUIREMENTS THAT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE IN OUR DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS. AND THEN FOR STAFF TO COME BACK AND [02:30:01] PROVIDE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO EITHER US OR COUNCIL TO INITIATE THAT CHANGE ACROSS OUR DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS. SO THE IDEA IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT ACROSS DIFFERENT DENSITY BONUSES, AND WE'RE NOT DOING A ONE OFF. AND THIS WOULD, AGAIN, MATCH IT TO WHAT WAS IN THE COMPATIBILITY ITEM. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE, UH, WORKING GROUP OR STAFF? OKAY. UM, DOES THIS GET LEFT IN THE BASE MOTION OR WE WANNA PULL UP YOUR DISCUSSION? UM, THIS POINT, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT. AND, OKAY. LET'S GO TO ITEM SIX. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, SO LOOKING AT ITEM SIX, THIS WAS AGAIN, AN AMENDMENT BY MYSELF. UM, THIS WOULD REMOVE THE MU STANDARDS THAT WERE PUT IN THE ORDINANCE AND REPLACE IT WITH STANDARDS FROM THE VMU PROGRAM. SO AGAIN, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE COUNCIL DIRECTION, AND WE'RE TAKING FROM COUNCIL'S DIRECTION HERE TO SAY THAT THE DIMENSIONAL AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS FROM THOSE ITEMS WOULD BE ADDED IN. THIS WOULD INCLUDE, UM, WAIVER OF CERTAIN SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, ANY, UM, REDUCTION WITHIN THE PARKING REQUIREMENT TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS A, UH, BONUS THAT ALLOWS PARTICIPATION. AND SO, AGAIN, THE IDEA HERE WAS REALLY TO MATCH IT TO WHAT WAS ALREADY IN COUNCIL'S RESOLUTION AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR STAFF. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I'D LIKE TO PULL THIS ONE. OKAY. SO WE'LL PULL SIX. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO SEVEN. SO AGAIN, THIS WAS PART OF THE SAME, UM, RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL. THEY WANTED US TO ADD IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS FROM THE VMU PROGRAM, UM, INTO THIS. SO WE'RE MAKING A MOTION THAT WE ADD IN THOSE DESIGN ITEMS. FROM THERE. THIS IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY TABLE D WITHIN THE VMU ITEM. IF YOU HAVE, UM, REVIEWED IT. AND IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE, UH, PARKING SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, UM, THE WAY HEADLIGHTS ARE HANDLED, HOW A REFUSE AND GARBAGE PICKUP IS HANDLED. AND SO THERE'S DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AROUND THOSE DIFFERENT PIECES, UH, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE CODE GENERALLY FOR DEVELOPMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, UM, USES AROUND THEM. RIGHT. QUESTIONS? ARE WE GONNA LEAVE THIS ONE OR DO WE NEED TO PULL UP FOR DISCUSSION? RIGHT. UH, SO THAT ONE, UM, WE WILL LEAVE IN THE BASE. SO WHAT I HAVE, IF MY NOTES ARE RIGHT, TWO, THREE, AND SIX, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT, UM, NOW THE NEXT STEP IS, UM, I WANNA REMIND A NUMBER OF THESE IF YOU NEED TO, YOU CAN DIVIDE THE QUESTION. UH, WE CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, CEASE DEBATE IF WE WANNA CALL THE QUESTION. SO THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS WE HAVE IN ROBERT'S RULES TO KIND OF GUIDE US HERE. SO, UH, THE FIRST ONE, UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THESE UP IN ORDER AND, UM, REMINDER, IF YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS THAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT PROPOSING THAT ARE RELATED, PLEASE, UM, BRING THOSE INTO THE DISCUSSION EITHER AS AN AMENDMENT OR A SUBSTITUTE ITEM, JUST SO WE DON'T, BECAUSE WE WILL NOT LOOK AT IT LATER IF IT'S ON A MATTER THAT'S SIMILAR TO ONE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. SO PLEASE, UH, BRING THEM UP AT THAT TIME. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS, FOR EACH ONE OF THESE THAT WERE PULLED, UH, WE WILL, UM, ALLOW THREE COMMISSIONERS. WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES EACH, UH, FOR QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR OTHER COMMISSIONERS RELATED, UH, RELATED TO THE AMENDMENT AT THE END OF THE Q AND A PERIOD, UH, WE MAKE A MOTION, AND IF YOU GET A SECOND, WE'LL START OUR DEBATE FOR OUR NORMAL PROCEDURES. UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, WE WOULD START WITH ITEM TWO AND, UM, GO AHEAD AND, UH, START, UH, Q A ON THAT MORE IN DEPTH Q AND AS. SO THAT IS THE ITEM, UH, REQUIRE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL USE FOR THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, FRONTING THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER SHADE, WHO PULLED THIS ONE? I JUST WANNA GIVE HIM THE FIRST CHANCE. UH, COMMISSIONER COX. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU, UH, THE FIRST QUESTION OF THE WORKING GROUP OR STAFF. YEAH, I WAS, UM, AFTER LISTENING ABOUT THE EXPLANATION OF NUMBER TWO, I WAS CONFUSED BY NUMBER THREE BECAUSE, UH, BOTH OF THOSE COMBINED BASICALLY MEANS THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA ADD 10 FEET OF HEIGHT TO EVERYTHING, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRING, WE'RE REQUIRING GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL, [02:35:02] BUT THEN ALSO INCREASING THE HEIGHT IF THERE'S GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. UM, FROM, FROM THE EXPLANATION I HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER SHAY, IT SOUNDED LIKE DOOR, THAT COMMERCIAL WAS POSSIBLE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. UM, AND I FEEL LIKE, UH, INCREASING THAT HEIGHT BY 10 FEET, UM, DOES THAT, IT ACCOMPLISHES THAT. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT JUST THE LIMITATIONS OF REQUIRING THE GROUND FLOOR TO BE COMMERCIAL. UM, IT, I SAW THE, YOU KNOW, ON A FRONTING A TRANSIT CORRIDOR, WHICH MAKES SENSE, BUT I MEAN, WHAT IF A BUILDING WANTS TO HAVE LIKE A, LIKE A WALKWAY ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT THEN OPENS UP MORE COMMERCIAL RETAIL OR RESIDENTIAL ACCESS OR A PARKING GARAGE, ACCESS TO A TRANSIT STOP OR SOMETHING? DOES THAT, IS THAT AN ISSUE? BECAUSE THEY'RE USING IT AS A PUBLIC WALKWAY RATHER THAN GROUND FOUR COMMERCIAL? SO I'M, I'M WONDERING IF, IF IT'S EVEN NEEDED, IF WE HAVE NUMBER THREE, UM, BUT THEN IF WE FEEL LIKE IT IS NEEDED, IF, IF THERE'S A WAY, NOT IF WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE ON IT, MAYBE SAYING A MINIMUM PERCENTAGE OF THE GROUND FLOOR HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL AND THEN ALLOWING FLEXIBILITY FOR THE REST OF IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR THE WORKING GROUP'S THOUGHTS ON THAT. MR. SHAY, YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? SO IN, SO, AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. IN, IN, FOR INSTANCE, IN UNO, THERE'S, UM, MAYBE WE COULD USE A TOOL LIKE IN UNO AND IN UNIVERSITY NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAY REQUIRING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF IT AS COMMERCIAL. UM, THAT COULD BE A WAY TO DO IT. UM, I THINK THE CONCERN, THE MAIN CONCERN THIS THING CAME ABOUT WAS WHEN WE HAD A LOT OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS END UP, UM, GETTING MU AND THEN WE END UP LOSING A LOT OF COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES IN, IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COULD HAVE HAD SOME COMMERCIAL TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE AND EVERYBODY JUST KEPT BUILDING HOUSING AND THEN WE LOST THAT OPPORTUNITY. BUT TO ME, MY CONCERN IS IF YOU DON'T STATE IT RIGHT, JUST GIVING 10 FEET DOESN'T MEAN ANYBODY'S GONNA END UP HEADING THAT WAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU DON'T JUST SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA DO COMMERCIAL. NOW, THERE'S A WHOLE ASPECT OF HOW YOU BUILD THAT FIRST LEVEL FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? IF YOU BUILD IT AS RESIDENTIAL JUST TO GET THE 10 FEET AND THINK, AND I MEAN, YOU DON'T BUILD IT THE SAME WAY. THERE'S EVERYTHING FROM, UM, FROM THE, FROM THE WHATEVER THE FIRE RATING SYSTEMS, HOW THE PLUMBING IS SET IN, HOW THERE'S ASPECTS OF ALL OF THAT THAT GO INTO IT. SO IF YOU JUST DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT BUILT THAT WAY TO CONVERT IT TO RE TO COMMERCIAL LATER, IT IS GONNA BE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT. YOU NEED TO START WITH, IT WAS COMMERCIAL AND THEN YOU GO COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL. SO IF YOU USED TO SAY, OH, LET'S JUST GIVE 10 FEET, IT, IT MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO CHANGE LATER. NOW THAT, AND THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, AND I'M ACTUALLY REALLY GLAD YOU MENTIONED UNO, BECAUSE TO ME THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE CORNER OF THE GROUND FLOOR MAY BE LIKE A, A C MART OR SOMETHING, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT A MIDDLE SECTION OF IT THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND IT'S USED AS LIKE A COMMUNITY SPACE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH LOUNGE OR WHATEVER. AND SO I, I JUST, I'D BE, I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE THAN JUST REQUIRING, I READ THAT AS WEARING THE GROUND FLOOR QUICK. UH, COMMISSIONER COX, SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU, UH, HEARD THE BUZZER, BUT I'LL LET COMMISSIONER SHAKE GO AHEAD AND ANSWER. OH, I WAS GONNA SAY, MENTION THAT COMMER, UH, COMMISSIONER HEMPLE MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT WAS INTERESTING, RATHER THAN SAYING IT'S JUST THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL, WHAT IF WE MENTION USED WORDS LIKE ACTIVATED, UH, STREET FRONT, RIGHT? AND SO WE CAN EVEN USE WORDS LIKE ACTIVATED STREET FRONT REFERENCE, THE, I MEAN, AGAIN, STAFF NEEDS TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, RIGHT? USING ASPECTS OF UNO AND ACTIVATED STREET FRONT FOR THAT, UH, PROPERTY EDGE FRONTING, UH, TRANSIT CORRIDOR. AND, AND I DON'T WANNA PULL IN THE WHOLE 10 FOOT ASPECT OF IT YET. COMMISSIONER COX, BECAUSE LIKE, I, I PULLED THAT FOR ANOTHER REASON, SO I DON'T WANT TO LIKE MIX THESE TWO THINGS UP. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT. SO, UH, THAT'S FIRST WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM. YEAH, GO AHEAD. AAR. I'LL USE THIS AS A QUESTION. SO WE DID NOT GO INTO THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL PARTIALLY CUZ WE WANTED TO LEAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY, BUT I'M JUST GONNA, UM, THERE'S TWO THINGS. SO IN THE ORDINANCE, THEY'RE CALLED PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMERCIAL SPACES AND THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR 75% OF THE BUILDING. OF COURSE THAT'S SLIGHTLY UNIQUE. I DON'T THINK IT APPLIES HERE, THE 75%, BUT THERE'S DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS ONE. UM, SO THE DEPTH OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE CANNOT BE LESS THAN 24 FEET. UM, THERE'S SOME HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS THERE THAT IT HAS TO BE A COM A CUSTOMER ENTRANCE THAT OPENS ONTO THE SIDEWALK. AND I JUST WANNA REMIND PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL, SOME OF Y'ALL MUST HAVE BEEN HERE, WE HAD THAT CASE WHERE SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO LIKE A THIN FIVE FOOT GALLERY IN FRONT OF THE [02:40:01] PARKING GARAGE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S WHY THERE WAS THIS DEPTH REQUIREMENT BUILT IN. AND THAT THERE'S ALSO GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED. IT SAYS CONSUMER CONVENIENCE SERVICES, FOOD SALES, GENERAL RETAIL RESTAURANT. AND, AND I GUESS I, I'LL ASK THIS QUESTION. COMMISSION, SHE, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO ADDING SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN JUST TO CLARIFY TO STAFF CUZ THEY HAVE COME UP, I KNOW WE WANTED TO LEAVE IT MORE FLEXIBLE AND I'M FINE LEAVING IT MORE FLEXIBLE AS WELL. UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THOSE UP. SO I'M FINE WITH ADDING THAT ASPECT CUZ I, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP CREATING TOOLS. WE HAVE TOOLS THAT ALREADY WORK, YOU KNOW, FROM UNO AND ALSO VMU. SO I DON'T WANNA COME UP WITH A STATEMENT EITHER THAT PRETTY MUCH SAYS, WAIT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH ON HOW TO ADMINISTER THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CAPTURE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, OR WE COULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, MODELING PREVIOUS POLICIES OR SOMETHING. OKAY. WE HAVE ONE MORE SPOT FOR A QUESTION, UH, TO, UH, THE WORK GROUP ON THIS ITEM. MR. ANDERSON. I THINK I, I JUST WANNA BUILD ON THAT AND I, AND I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS KINDA LAND ON IT COULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF REQUIRING GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL USE SIMILAR TO VMU STANDARDS. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THE ACTIVATED BUT NOT REQUIREMENT OF COMMERCIAL, I THINK OF ASHTON ON SECOND 4 22 ON THE LAKE OVER HERE AT SOUTH FIRST AND RIVERSIDE, WINDSOR ON SOUTH LAMAR, BIG LARGE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WITH NO COMMERCIAL AND THEY'RE BORING TO WALK AROUND. I MEAN, THEY ACTIVATE IT WITH A GYM, WITH, UM, THE AMENITIES OF THE BUILDING THAT DON'T NECESSARILY DO ANYTHING TO ACTUALLY ACTIVATE THE STREET. AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE KEEP THE COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS SIMILAR TO VMU, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THESE AROUND TRANSIT WHERE WE REALLY DO WANT THAT STREET ENGAGEMENT THAT THAT LIVELINESS AND EYES ON THE STREET THAT THE RETAIL CAN HELP BRING. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL WAS ALSO KIND OF TRYING TO REFER US BACK TOWARD THOSE VMU TYPE STANDARDS AS WELL. SO MAYBE WE JUST REFER BACK TO, TO THAT COMMERCIAL. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. LOT OF GOOD SUGGESTIONS THERE. UM, THAT KIND OF THE THREE SPOTS. UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, DO WE KIND OF MO DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS? IS OURS GOT IT? I SEE IT EASY TYPING. I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK. LET'S SEE. SO REQUIRE, WE WOULD SAY REQUIRE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMERCIAL SPACES ON THE GROUND FLOOR AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, FRONTING A TRANSIT CORRIDOR, INCLUDING REQUIRE INCLUDING, UH, DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND ALLOWABLE COMMERCIAL USES FROM THE VMU ORDINANCES, VM ORTS. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS? WE HAVE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHAY, DO WE NEED ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? UH, ANY, UH, CAN I MAKE A, UH, AN AMENDMENT? YES. WELL, UH, GO AHEAD AND UH, STATE YOUR AMENDMENT. WE'LL DECIDE IF IT'S A SUBSTITUTE, BUT GO AHEAD. YEAH. UM, JUST IN FRONT OF OR OR BETWEEN THE REQUIRE AND THE GROUND FLOOR, JUST SAY, REQUIRE A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE GROUND FLOOR, EVERYTHING ELSE, JUST, JUST SO THAT WE'RE MAKING CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT DICTATING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT GROUND FLOOR HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL. MM-HMM. . UM, SO I THINK THAT WAS THE, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS THE INTENT BECAUSE UNO DOES THAT UNO HAS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. VMU, I GUESS IT DOES, YEAH, VMU DOES AS WELL. SO I, I MEAN, I THINK IF WE CONTINUE REFERENCING LIKE THE VMU TYPE APPROACH, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS IT. CAUSE THAT, SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU RESTATE IT? UH, COMMISSIONERS ZAR, MAYBE I MISSED THAT IT WASN'T INCLUDED. I'M SORRY IF YOU'ALL, JUST GIVE ME A SECOND. UH, SO WE WOULD SAY REQUIRES CERTAIN PORTION OF THE GROUND FLOOR AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY FRONT, A TRANSIT CORRIDOR. UM, ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, I SEE THAT MESSED UP. THE GRAMMAR HERE. SO WE WOULD BE SAYING REQUIRE, I'M SORRY, GIVE ME A SECOND HERE. FOLKS, UM, REQUIRE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMERCIAL SPACES FOR A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE GROUND FLOOR AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, FUNDING A TRANSIT CORRIDOR, INCLUDING DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND LAW OUR COMMERCIAL USES FROM THE VM ORDINANCE. OKAY. SO THAT IS, UM, I GUESS WE'RE TREATING THAT AS AN AMENDMENT CUZ WE ALREADY HAD A SECOND CLARIFICATION. YEAH, SO THIS WOULD BE REQUIRED AS AN AMENDMENT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND IT TO, SO I, COMMISSIONERS ARE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT, COMMISSION LAYS ON THE, JUST KEEP IN MIND IF THERE'S AN OPPOSITION, YOU CAN JUST ADOPT IT BY CONSENT. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S AN OPPOSITION, WE CAN. SO I'M GONNA RESTATE IT AND LET'S SEE IF WE DON'T HAVE OPPOSITION. REQUIRE PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMERCIAL SPACES FOR A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE GROUND FLOOR AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, FRONTING A TRANSIT CORRIDOR INCLUDING DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND ALLOWABLE COMMERCIAL USES FROM THE VMU ORDINANCE. SO EVERYBODY GOT THAT? SO WE HAD COMMISSIONER COX THAT [02:45:01] HIS IS HIS AMENDMENT. UH, DID WE GET A SECOND? I'M JUST TRYING TO, WE DON'T OKAY. COMMISSION. SORRY. NO, SINCE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING BY CONSENT. IT'S GOING BACK TO THE BASE MOTION OF, I HAVE THE MOTION COMMISSIONER, SHE SECONDED. UNLESS SOMEBODY OPPOSES THIS WOULD BE OUR AMENDMENT. OKAY. UH, ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THIS? ALL RIGHT. UM, OKAY. NO, NO OPPOSITION. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S, UH, WE'LL COUNT THAT AS UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF THAT ITEM. ALL RIGHT. UH, AND WE MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE. AND I BELIEVE YOU PULLED THIS COMMISSIONER SHAY? YEAH, I PULLED IT. JUST TO CONFIRM, MR, DO WE SO NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE ITEM? WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT CHAIR COMMISSION LAY ON A VOTE? UH, UH, UH, JUST FOR CLARITY, YES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S TAKE A VOTE, UH, ON THE, UH, AMENDED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, UH, CZAR, SECONDED BY WHO HAD THE SECOND COMMISSIONER SHAY. ALL RIGHT. ON THE DIOCESES APPROVAL. OKAY. THOSE VIRTUALLY. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. RIGHT, ITEM THREE, UH, COMMISSIONER SHAY, DID YOU PULL THIS ONE? YES, I DID. OKAY. UM, OKAY, SO ON THIS ONE, UM, MY, MY CONCERN HERE IS THE, I KNOW COUNCIL HAD SUGGESTED THE FIVE TO 10, BUT TO GO FIVE OR 10 IS THAT, THAT THAT'S LIKE HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING A RESIDENTIAL HEIGHT TO BECOME COMMERCIAL VERSUS GIVING A WHOLE ADDITIONAL LEVEL. AND I MEAN, EVEN IN VMU, WE'RE NOT GIVING ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. SO IN THE CASE HERE, WE'RE GIVING A WHOLE ADDITIONAL LEVEL BY SAYING 10 FEET WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, BENEFITS COMING BACK, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SAY 10 FOOT, 10 FOOT AND YOU DO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUT IT'S LIKE IF YOU DO, UH, GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, BUT OVER HERE ARE ON THE FRONT EDGE, WE JUST VOTED THAT WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME SORT OF THAT. SO THEN THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO THE ONES THAT ARE NOT ON A QUARTER. THIS COULD BE FACING WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL, UH, STREETS. SO TO ME, I, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS. I, I GET IT WITH, WE'RE GONNA DO AN INCREMENTAL BUMP JUST TO ALLOW SOME, UM, SOME RETAIL ON THAT FIRST LEVEL. YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IF THEY GIVE US THAT RETAIL, BUT I, I DON'T, I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM BY SAYING 10 FEET, BECAUSE THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL LEVEL CHANGE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TO ME, IT'S, IT'S, IT AFFECTS MORE THAN USING VMU APPROACH OF SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE INSIDE THE SANE ENVELOPE. YOU'RE JUST GETTING MORE, UM, DENSITY IN IT. YOU'RE ACTUALLY CHANGING THE, YOU, YOU'RE TAKING THE DISCUSSION TO A LARGER SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE 10 FEET IS A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL. AND THAT BECOMES, I DUNNO, I MEAN, I THINK TO ME THAT'S LIKE A ZONING CHANGE TO CHANGE YOUR 10 FEET. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW. SO I, I DON'T MIND A FIVE FOOT, BUT THE 10 FOOT IS A WHOLE ADDITIONAL FLOOR. AND SO, SO TO ME, I GUESS THIS, THIS MOTION WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A MOTION TO STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE DETAILS. BUT WHAT COUNSEL SAID WAS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF A, OF A MULTI USED BUILDING, MORE TO ENTICE IT, GIVE THEM AN EXTRA FIVE TO 10 FEET. SO I WOULD THINK THAT STAFF COULD COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT SAID, IF IT'S JUST TWO STORIES, MAYBE IT'S FIVE FEET. IF IT'S FOUR STORIES, MAYBE IT'S 10 FEET OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO ENTICE THE COMMERCIAL USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR. IF YOU'RE NOT DOING COMMERCIAL USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR, YOU DON'T GET THE EXTRA HEIGHT, IS THE WAY I WOULD'VE READ THAT FROM A, FROM COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL'S ASKED US TO DO. AND, AND I THINK THAT THIS DOES IT. OH, YES, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. I'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. SO, UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK, GO LOOK AT THE BUILDING AROUND OR, OR THE, THE RETAIL AROUND ONE 11 CONGRESS AVENUE, IT'S A BIG GIANT PARKING GARAGE WITH GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. AND IT'S AN AMAZING EXAMPLE OF HOW BAD SHORT RETAIL IS. AND IT'S JUST, IT'S UNUSABLE. AND SO JUST YEAR AFTER YEAR HAS HORRIBLE TURNOVER. IT'S JUST, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP TENANTS IN THERE. AND THEY'RE JUST HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES WITH TRYING TO ACTIVATE THE STREET IN SUCH A STRANGE SPACE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT 60 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT, AND THEN WE STARTED TO ADD THIS REQUIREMENT OF RAM RETAIL. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FOR ME. AND SO FOR, FOR TOD FOR BMU, WE NEVER ACTUALLY GAVE THEM MORE HEIGHT, EVEN THOUGH COUNCIL STARTED TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO SO IN 2013. BUT THEN THEY WERE ASKED TO PUT THAT IN A NEW LAND [02:50:01] DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY WE STILL DON'T HAVE. AND SO THIS IS A WAY TO ALLOW FOR THOSE, THAT GROUND RETAIL SPACE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT. AND I THINK SOME OF THE REASON REASONING BEHIND THE 10 FEET IS WHAT ALSO HAPPENS NOW IS ABOVE THAT GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. AND MOST OF THESE VMU BUILDINGS TODAY, THE DEVELOPERS ARE LIMITED TO EIGHT FEET FOR THESE UNITS. AND A LOT OF THESE UNITS WOULD MUCH PREFER FOR QUALITY OF LIFE OF THOSE INHABITANTS TO BE NINE FEET OR NINE AND A HALF FEET, WHICH IS KIND OF THE NEW THING THAT MOST FOLKS TRY TO GET, ESPECIALLY INTO URBAN LIVING THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ON THE CURRENT CODE. AND I WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EXCEPTION THAT EVEN, EVEN IF IT DID MEAN AN EXTRA FLOOR, WHICH I DON'T SEE IT, MEANING THERE ARE CAPTURED BENEFITS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CAPTURING OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WITHIN EVERY UNIT THAT'S BUILT, THERE'S A PERCENTAGE TOWARD AFFORDABILITY. YEAH. I GUESS FOR ME, I WANT MORE, I WANT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT A EXTRA LEVEL. THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE BECAUSE THAT'S OFTEN TIMES WHAT WE DO IN DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS. WE GIVE EXTRA LEVELS WITH MORE, YOU KNOW, WITH MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY ANOTHER LEVEL WITHOUT GETTING MORE AFFORDABILITY. GETTING MORE AFFORDABILITY. NO, WE'RE, NO, BUT WE WE'RE, WE COULD GET MORE BECAUSE THAT WASN'T WHAT WAS PRESCRIBED. RIGHT. BUT ANYWAY, REMEMBER, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, UH, SO WE WERE AT, I THINK THAT WAS THREE, UM, QUESTIONS OR, OKAY. SO WE HAVE, UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND LET'S, UH, SEE COMMISSIONER COX AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE WORKING GROUP, HOW ABOUT THE ONLY QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED WAS COMMISSIONER SHAY. UM, BUT, UH, I, I READ THAT AS JUST ALLOWING A HIGHER HEIGHT FOR THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. UM, BUT THEN COMMISSIONER SHAY'S COMMENT MADE ME SAY, WAIT, WHAT? UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL. SO IF THAT WASN'T THE INTENT, AND I THINK WE CAN REWORD THIS TO BASICALLY SAY INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST LEVEL ONLY, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE SHOULD BE ADDING STORIES TO THESE BUILDINGS, UM, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. I, I ALSO THINK IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD THE THING THAT WE DID IN NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS FRONTING A TRANSIT CORRIDOR SO THAT YOU DON'T ACCIDENTALLY GET THESE, THESE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT ARE FURTHER AWAY FROM A, A TRANSIT CORRIDOR TRYING TO GET EXTRA STORIES BECAUSE OF THIS. ALL RIGHT. UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT, UH, OUR THREE KIND OF CLEAR, UH, QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. UH, DO WE NEED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ARE WE GOOD FOR A MOTION EMOTION? SURE. OKAY. SO, UM, SOUND LIKE, DO WE, WHO WANTS TO CALL TOGETHER A MOTION HERE? WE HAVE WHAT'S ON THE PAPER, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE'S FOLKS THAT MAY WANT TO MODIFY IT SO MUCH. I'M GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT, BECAUSE I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT COMMISS COX SAID. OKAY, GO AHEAD. SO THERE WOULD SAY, PROVIDED INCENTIVE FOR GROUND FLOOR RETAIL BY INCREASING HEIGHT OF THE FIRST LEVEL BY FIVE TO 10 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE A HIGHER CEILING ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND I CAN SPEAK TO THAT MOTION WHENEVER. OKAY. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A MOTION. I'M SORRY. THAT'S WHAT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY HEMPLE. OKAY. TOO LATE. I WAS GONNA SAY, BECAUSE WE COULD ADD TO IT BEFORE WE SECOND IT, RIGHT? YOU CAN, AND WE CAN ALSO, UH, DO IT WITH THAT'S FINE. AND I'LL JUST QUICKLY SPEAK TO IT. SO, UM, I SAID FIVE TO 10 FEET, WHICH ESSENTIALLY GOES BACK TO WHAT WAS COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION. SO I AGREE, WE JUST LEAVE IT TO WHAT COUNCIL HAD ALREADY PUT IN THERE. COMMISSIONER COX, YOUR POINT OF SAYING ONLY ON THE FRONT IN CORRIDOR, THE REASON I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT IS, SO THEN YOU WOULD, LET'S SAY, HAVE 15 FEET ON THE FRONTING CORRIDOR, AND YOU WOULD HAVE 10 FEET FOR THE SAME FLOOR ON THE BACK, YOU WOULD HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FLOOR PLATES RUNNING. SO YOUR ENTIRE BUILDING, ONE SIDE WOULD HAVE FLOOR PLATES AT DIFFERENT LEVELS, AND ONE SIDE WOULD HAVE IT JUST, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN A BUILDING. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S, UM, COMMISSAR SPEAKING IN, UH, IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION. DO WE HAVE THOSE, UH, SPEAKING AGAINST, OR DO WE WANT ANY, UH, AMENDMENTS OFFERED UP AT THIS POINT? ALL RIGHT, THOSE SPEAKING IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY FURTHER SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST, OR WE WANT GO AND TAKE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE STATE THE MOTION, RESTATING THE MOTION FOR A RECORD. PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE FOR GROUND FLOOR RETAIL BY INCREASING HEIGHT OF THE FIRST LEVEL BY FIVE TO 10 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE A HIGHER CEILING ON THE FIRST FLOOR. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE. THOSE ON THE DIAS IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION RAISE HAND. LET'S EVERYONE, THOSE, UH, VIRTUALLY SHOW ME YOUR GREEN IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. THOSE, OKAY. THOSE AGAINST, VIRTUALLY THOSE AGAINST THIS MOTION, [02:55:01] THOSE ABSTAINING. SO THAT PASSES WITH, UH, THE EXTENSION, UM, FROM COMMISSIONER POLITA. OKAY. LET'S GO AND GO TO ITEM SIX, I BELIEVE IS THE NEXT ONE. SO THIS IS THE REMOVED MU STANDARDS REPLACED WITH STANDARDS FROM THE BMU PROGRAM. I BELIEVE, UH, COMMISSIONER POLITO WANTED TO PULL THIS. UH, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR UHOH? WE, UH, COMMISSIONER POLITO, WE HAVE LOST YOU. OH, THERE YOU GO. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO WANNA GIVE YOU THE FIRST CHANCE TO KIND OF ASK QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE TO GET CLARIFICATION? YES. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLEAR ON, UM, IF THIS IS EFFECTIVELY A CHANGE TO V AND WHAT, UM, WHAT ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS ARE WE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING IN THIS AMENDMENT? UM, SO THIS WOULD BE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TEXT OF THE ITEM, THIS WOULD BE SAYING DIMENSIONAL AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TAKING FROM THE VMU. UM, A BUILDING THAT MEETS THE AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS IN 25 DASH ONE SLASH 7 5 4 IS NOT SUBJECT TO CERTAIN DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS APPLICABLE IN THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT. THESE STANDARDS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING MINIMUM SITE TIER REQUIREMENTS, IF APPLICABLE, MAXIMUM FLOOR RATIO, MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE, MINIMUM STREET SIDE YARD SETBACK, AND A D YARD SETBACK AND MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK PROVIDED. HOWEVER, THAT, IF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS LESS THAN 60 FEET IN WIDTH, THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR BUILDINGS THREE OR MORE STORIES IN HEIGHT SHALL BE 30 FEET FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE STREET TO ENSURE ADEQUATE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS IN TERMS OF PARKING, UM, THIS WOULD BE AS PROVIDED IN SECTION B BELOW FOR ALL. SORRY, GIMME A SECOND. I'M LOSING THIS HERE. YES, AND I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE YOU READ THE WHOLE THING, UH, IN A REDUNDANT MATTER. I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS EFFECTIVELY ADDING A V UM, WHERE THERE IS MU SO I, I GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY, SO WE WOULD NOT BE INCREASING HEIGHT. SO THE VMU, THE 90 FEET ALLOWANCE UNDER VMU TWO, THAT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED. ANY REDUCTION IN A PERVIOUS COVER REQUIREMENT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED. UM, CHANGES TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK THAT DO NOT ALIGN WITH FIRE STANDARD, THAT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED. PARKING REDUCTIONS CAN ONLY GO DOWN TO 60%, SO NOT WHAT WAS IN THE COMPATIBILITY ITEM. SO YOU WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AT LEAST 60% OF WHATEVER THE BASE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS. SO WHAT YOU ARE WAIVING AT THAT POINT IS FAR, UM, MINIMUM SIDE OF YEAR REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND THE, UH, SOME OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS SUBJECT TO FIRE SAFETY. CAN, CAN I SPEAK? CAN I, I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS COUNCIL SORT OF SAID, HEY, MAKE IT LIKE VMU AND FROM MY READING STAFF WENT IN AND FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT ZONINGS OF COMMERCIAL, THEY WENT IN AND PUT SITE AREA REQUIREMENTS. LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS MINI MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR EVERY APARTMENT FOR ALL THESE THINGS, BUT VMU DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. SO THAT TO ME WAS GOING AGAINST WHAT COUNCIL DIRECTION WAS. AND THIS IS JUST PUTTING IT BACK MORE LIKE WHAT COMES DIRECTION WAS, WHICH JUST BUILD THE APARTMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO BUILD AND, AND NOT HAVE MINIMAL SIZES FOR THEM. THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. AND DOES CLARIFY THE DISTINCTION. UM, AND THEN I'M JUST, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO APPLY ANYWHERE WE WOULD HAVE MU OR IF THIS IS CREATING AN ADDITIONAL DESIGNATION. OH, SO, SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD APPLY ANYWHERE YOU WANTED TO CREATE RESIDENTS IN A COMMERCIALLY ZONED BUILDING. SO I CURRENTLY, IF I COULD CLARIFY, SO THIS WOULD NOT CHANGE THE CURRENT MU REQUIREMENTS OR THE VMU REQUIREMENTS, IT WOULD ONLY SAY THAT IF SOMEONE PARTICIPATES IN THIS DENSITY BONUS THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ON THESE LOTS, UM, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THOSE STANDARDS. BUT THIS WOULD NOT CHANGE THE BASE MU STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE TODAY OR THE VMU STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE TODAY. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, THANK YOU. OKAY. SO OUT OF TIME THERE, THE BUZZ WENT OFF. SO LET'S SEE, THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION. DO WE HAVE OTHERS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. UH, SO, UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. OH, WAIT, UH, HOLD ON. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER MUSH TO YOU HAVE I I WAS GONNA GO UNDER THE BASIS, IF THERE'S NO OPPOSITION, THEN WE CAN ADOPT AND TAKE THE FORMAL VOTE. OKAY. I THINK, UH, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR IF THERE'S, BUT ARE WE AS WRITTEN? UM, OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THE [03:00:01] WORKING GROUP AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX AS WRITTEN? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE. UH, THOSE ON THE DIAS, THAT'S EVERYONE DOES VIRTUALLY, AND THAT'S GOT, ALL RIGHT, UNANIMOUS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THAT WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH ALL THE WORKING AMENDMENTS, SO WE NEED ONE FINAL VOTE, I BELIEVE OF COMMISSIONER COX. GO AHEAD. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO THIS, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THE WORKING GROUP HAD CONSIDERED ANY OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE ITEM. THEY HAD, UH, THEY HAD 14 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT SURE WHEN THOSE WERE SHARED, BUT WE HAD TO, UH, FINALIZE THESE BY THIS FIGHT. SO WE ACTUALLY DID NOT CONSIDER, NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE TO WORK WITH SO QUICK. UM, WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE. COMMISSIONER COX, UM, WORKING THROUGH THE WORK WITH AMENDMENTS, ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS THAT, UM, COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WOULD KIND OF GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, LOOK AT THOSE AND OFFER? SURE. GO AHEAD, MR. STAFF. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. ARE THOSE ITEMS IN THE BACKUP DOCUMENT? OKAY, PERFECT. SO WE CAN LOOK IN THERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO ANNIE, MR. COX, GO AHEAD. I, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MAY HAVE GOTTEN THESE LATE, UM, AND NOT MANY ARE FAMILIAR WITH, BUT, BUT I, I READ THROUGH THEM AND I WOULD GO AHEAD AND OFFER THAT WE INCORPORATE THE 14 ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. I AM LOOKING AT THE BACKUP NOW. SO THIS WOULD BE, IT'S ON PAGE NINE OF THE BACKUP. I CAN READ THROUGH IT REALLY QUICK, BUT, UH, PROBABLY BE EASIER IF JUST EVERYONE JUST GLANCE TOOK, TOOK TWO MINUTES TO GLANCE THROUGH IT. OKAY. NINE AT THE BACKUP. JUST LET'S, UM, OH, HERE WE GO. THE COMMISSIONS ARE, GO AHEAD. I JUST, SO WE CAN JUST CERTAINLY GO THROUGH THESE. I JUST WANNA, UM, STATE ONE THING. SO ON THE FIRST ONE THAT I'M SEEING HERE ON THE COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTIES AND SORT OF THIS, UM, NON-COMPATIBLE USES QUESTION. SO WE HONESTLY IN OUR WORKING GROUP REALLY WENT BACK AND FORTH TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE IN HERE. UM, AND WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH WAS REALIZING THAT THERE WAS JUST NO WAY TO FIX IT. OUR BASE, UM, TABLES ACTUALLY NEED TO BE FIXED. SO THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT OFTEN COMES UP ON PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL, WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO DO COS TO REMOVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. SO WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ITEM TODAY ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, TO INITIATE CODE CHANGES TO OUR ZONING TABLES TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE USES IN THOSE AND REALLY ASSESS AND COME BACK WITH THOSE CHANGES. SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE TRYING TO, SO WE TRY TO TAKE THOSE, BOTH OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE HIGHWAY AND WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THAT. AND THEN ON THE USES, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE APPROVE THAT ITEM TODAY AND INITIATE THAT CODE CHANGE SO STAFF CAN GO, GO AND ADDRESS THOSE IN THE USE TABLES AND BRING THAT BACK TO US SO THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY JUST CHANGING IT HERE AND THESE, BUT REALLY ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, AMONG DIFFERENT ZONES IN DIFFERENT AREAS. SO, UM, I THINK WE DIS OFFER UP. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS. I LOOK AT THESE, THESE ARE PRETTY INVOLVED, SO, UM, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN EMOTION ON THESE OR PART OF THEM. YEAH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SHAW. SOME OF THEM NEED INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK MAYBE IF WE JUST LEFT IT ALONE, CUZ IF WE PICK SOME AND NOT, OR MEAN IT WOULD BRING STRENGTH TO SOME BUT NOT THE OTHERS. AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THEIR TAKE AND I DON'T WANT TO LESSEN ANY OF THEIR POINTS IF WE ONLY PICK AND CHOOSE CERTAIN ONES. SO I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD JUST LET IT STAND ALONE. I WOULD ARGUE WE JUST DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE TIME BANDWIDTH TO KIND OF DEBATE ALL THESE, CUZ THEY ARE, WE COULD GET INTO ALL OF THIS DETAIL. YEAH, BUT I DO, I I DID NOT SEE THIS, SO I'M, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION. COMMISSIONER COX. UM, THESE ARE, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT HERE. UM, ANY, SO, BUT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALS, IF YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS, WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A VOTE ON 'EM. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SWEAR TO ANYBODY. JUST, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, I THINK WE JUST NEED A FINAL, UH, BASE, UH, MOTION AS AMENDED. DO I HAVE A, A MOTION? WE ALREADY, [03:05:01] SO WE ALREADY HAD A MOTION OF THE START. WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A VOTE OUT AS AMENDED. OKAY. LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE REAL QUICK. UH, THOSE ON THE GUYS AS EVERYONE KNOWS VIRTUALLY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT'S UNANIMOUS. WE HAVE DONE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THE WORKING GROUP FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. UM, I THINK YOU, YEAH, SOME REALLY GOOD AMENDMENTS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. ALL RIGHT, LET'S, UH, MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE 30. UH, WE ARE ITEM 20. [23. Code Amendment: Compatibility on Corridors (Part 2 of 2)] THIS IS 23. UM, SO I THINK WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PICK UP DISCUSSION ON THIS. STARTING WITH THIS ONE. WE HAVE STAFF PRESENTATION CHAIR, COMMISSION LIAISON. SO, UM, I BELIEVE, UM, WE WOULD START WITH, UM, SPEAKERS, NO STAFF. THE STAFF WILL PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION. UM, UH, SIX MINUTES AND THEN, UH, WE'LL MOVE INTO, UH, UH, SPEAKERS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. OH, CHAIR COMMISSION. LAY OVER. I APOLOGIZE. UM, DID YOU WANT TO, UM, DISCUSS, UM, SO THE PUBLIC WILL, UM, HAVE TIME TO PROVIDE THE REMARKS. DO YOU WANT TO, UM, UH, DISCUSS, UH, TIME PER SPEAKER? SO THE STANDARD, UH, LET ME READ MY NOTES HERE. YEAH, WE MAY WANNA MODIFY THIS. UM, HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE AGAIN, MR. UH, MR. RIVER? YEAH. 16. 16. AND SO OUR, OUR RULES, UM, THAT WERE PUBLISHED WERE, UM, YES, WE HAVE A PRIMARY SPEAKER AT FIVE MINUTES, WHICH I DON'T, UM, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PRIMARY SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE. SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING THERE. AND THEN IT'S THREE AT THREE MINUTES AND THEN UNLIMITED AT ONE MINUTE. UM, UH, I'M JUST LOOKING, LOOKING AROUND AT COMMISSION. DO YOU THINK IT'S FAIR TO CHANGE THE SPEAKER TIMES? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN REDUCE THEM. UH, MAYBE WE CAN DO AWAY WITH THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES AND I MEAN, WE CAN GIVE THEM MORE TIME, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT 16. ANY THOUGHTS THERE? CHAIR? I THINK JUST TO BE CONSISTENT, I I WOULD PREFER TO REALLY STICK TO OUR EXISTING GROUP, SO WE'RE JUST CONSISTENT THAT WAY. I, I DON'T, IF SOMEBODY HAD PLANNED TO BE THE PRIMARY SPEAKER, WE SHOULD GET THEM BACK. OKAY, MR. RIVERA? I'M NOT, I'M LOOKING. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS OR IDEAS ON SPEAKING? EVERYBODY TL IS STICKING WITH OUR RULES. NOTED CHAIR. UM, I WILL JUST HAVE THE FIRST INDIVIDUAL WHO REGISTERED UNDER THE ITEM AS THE PRIMARY SPEAKER. OKAY. AND AGAIN, SEEKERS, YOU DON'T NEED TO USE ALL YOUR TIME IF YOU DON'T NEED TO. CHAIR. OH, YES, VICE CHAIR. SORRY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND TIME TO 10 30, RIGHT? GET A SECOND MIC. COMMISSIONER ZAR, LET'S GO AND SEE. HANDS ON THE DIAS APPROVED TIME EXTENSION DOES ON VIRTUAL. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S EVERYONE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COMMISSION. I'M GREG DUTTON, HOUSING PLANNING. I'VE GOT A PRESENTATION ON THE ITEM. UH, SO ITEM 23 ON YOUR AGENDA IS CODE AMENDMENT COMPATIBILITY ON CORRIDORS. AND THE ITEM IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION FOR ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 25 OF THE CITY CODE TO MODIFY COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS AS APPLIED TO CERTAIN, UH, PROJECTS ON CERTAIN PROJECTS ON CERTAIN CORRIDORS. UM, JUST GONNA GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND, THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION TO PROPOSE CHANGES, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN, UH, THE TIMELINE FOR THIS ITEM. UM, I'M GONNA GO THE BACKGROUND PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME, BUT BASICALLY VMU TWO IS A RECENT COUNCIL ITEM THAT WAS [03:10:01] ADOPTED IN JUNE. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY KIND OF GREW DIRECTLY OUT OF VMU TWO. SO ON THE SAME DAY, THE COUNCIL PASSED VMU TWO, WHICH ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT AND REDUCES, UM, COMPATIBILITY IN PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THEY PASSED THIS AMENDMENT, UH, FOR YOU TODAY ON COMPATIBILITY. IT'S KIND OF A CONTINUATION OF VMU TWO, IF YOU WILL. COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION ON THAT DAY IN JUNE, AND THEY BASICALLY SAID, I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH ALL THIS, BUT THEY BASICALLY SAID, WE ARE, WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS IN AUSTIN. WE HAVE PROJECT CONNECT, WHICH WAS VOTED ON BY THE VOTERS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. UM, WE HAVE, UH, SOME SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE. THE MAJOR CORRIDORS, UH, LET'S GET HOUSING AND, AND TRANSIT AND BETTER PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER. CURRENT COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS ARE VERY RESTRICTIVE COMPARED TO OUR PEER CITIES. UH, AND WE KNOW THAT WITH THE A S M P, WE HAVE A 50 50 MODE SPLIT. THAT'S A GOAL OF OURS. WE HAVE, UM, WE KNOW THAT CHANGES TO COMPATIBILITY, UM, LIKE CORRIDORS CAN INCREASE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE HOUSING. WE KNOW THAT COMPATIBILITY IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP, UH, YEAR AFTER YEAR IN AUSTIN AS A, AS A ITEM OF DISCUSSION, AND THAT THE COUNCIL'S COMMITTED TO, UH, ADDING HOUSING TO SUPPORT THE TRANSIT INVESTMENTS THAT WE HAVE. SO IN THAT RESOLUTION, UM, COUNCIL WAS PRETTY EXPLICIT ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. THEY, UH, THEY SPELLED OUT THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CORRIDORS, LIGHT RAIL, LARGE CORRIDORS, AND MEDIUM CORRIDORS. AND THEY SAID THAT FOR ALL OF THESE CORRIDORS THAT ARE SPECIFIED, COMPATIBILITY FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE MIXED USE OR RESIDENTIAL WILL END AT 300 FEET. SO OUR STANDARD COMPATIBILITY TODAY, IF YOU REMEMBER, ENDS AT 540 FEET. THIS WOULD BASICALLY PULL IT BACK TO 300 FEET. THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD END. EVERYONE WOULD GET A FIVE FOOT BUMP IN HEIGHT OVER WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY. SO COMPATIBILITY, IT ACTS LIKE KIND OF A TENT PUSHING DOWN ON THE HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS. AND THE RESOLUTION SAYS EVERYONE GETS A FIVE FOOT INCREASE IN THAT HEIGHT. UH, AND PARKING WOULD BE REDUCED FOR THE CORRIDORS. LIGHT RAIL LARGE CORRIDORS WOULD HAVE A REDUCTION OF 75% TO 25% OF WHAT, UH, OTHERWISE WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED. UM, AND FOR MEDIUM CORRIDORS THAT REDUCTION, IT WOULD BE 50%. UH, IN ADDITION TO THE, THE SORT OF STANDARD REDUCTION, IF YOU WILL, YOU CAN GET A FURTHER REDUCTION IN COMPATIBILITY IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS PROGRAM. AND, AND THIS CORRIDOR BY CORRIDOR TYPE, THE BIGGEST REDUCTION WOULD BE FOR LIGHT RAIL, WHERE COMPATIBILITY WOULD END AT A HUNDRED FEET FROM A TRIGGERING PROPERTY. UM, FOR A, FOR A LARGE CORRIDOR THAT WOULD, UH, THAT THE END OF COMPATIBILITY WOULD BE AT 200 FEET. UM, BUT THERE WOULD BE A BUMP IN HEIGHT FROM A HUNDRED TO, TO 200 FEET FROM 65 TO 90 FEET. AND THEN FOR A MEDIUM CORRIDOR, IT WOULD END AT 250 FEET WITH A BUMP IN HEIGHT FROM 150 TO 250 FEET. UM, UH, AT, AT THAT DISTANCE WITH A, WITH A BUMP IN HEIGHT FROM 65 TO 90 FEET. THIS MAP IS VERY SMALL. I APOLOGIZE. IT'S HARD TO READ, BUT THIS IS SHOWING YOU THE DISTRIBUTION OF CORRIDORS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE GREEN CORRIDORS ARE LIGHT RAIL, AND THOSE ARE JUST, AGAIN, FOLLOW PROJECT CONNECT KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. THE BLUE CORRIDORS ARE THE LARGE CORRIDORS, AND THEN THE MEDIUM CORRIDORS ARE THOSE SHOWN IN RED. AND SO JUST TO VISUALIZE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, UM, THIS IS SHOWING YOU THE, THE TENT OF COMPATIBILITY IS IN BLUE THERE. THAT'S OUR STANDARD COMPATIBILITY TODAY. THE CHANGE IS IN PINK. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE HEIGHT WOULD, UH, HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS WOULD END AT 300 FEET WITH A FIVE FOOT BUMP IN HEIGHT UNDER THIS SORT OF FIRST TIER OF RELAXATION, IF YOU WILL. AND AGAIN, THIS COMES WITH A PARKING REDUCTION IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND AGAIN, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SORT OF OUR STANDARD 10 60, 10 80 FOR RENTAL OWNERSHIP. COUNCIL SAID IN THE RESOLUTION THAT NOIA AND NOIA AND LOU, UH, SHOULD BE ALLOWED. BUT IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS PART OF THIS, YOU GET AN ADDITIONAL REDUCTION IN, IN COMPATIBILITY. SO IF YOU'RE ON A LIGHT RAIL LINE, WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT COMPATIBILITY ENDS AT A HUNDRED FEET IN THAT BLUE AREA, UH, IN YOUR SCREEN THERE. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, THE POPUP AREA, IF YOU WILL, WHERE THERE'S NEW BUILDABLE SPACE BECAUSE AGAIN, BECAUSE COMPATIBILITY WOULD END AT A HUNDRED FEET FOR A LARGE CORRIDOR, [03:15:01] THAT COMPATIBILITY WOULD END AT 200 FEET. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM 100 TO 200 FEET. YOU GET A POP UP IN HEIGHT FROM 65 TO 90, AND THEN FOR A MEDIUM CORRIDOR THAT KIND OF SLIDES OVER A LITTLE BIT, IT ENDS AT 250 FEET. BUT YOU DO GET A BUMP. YOU GET A BUMP UP IN HEIGHT FROM 65 TO 90 FEET. NOT GOING FAST ENOUGH HERE. YEAH. UM, ANY OBJECTIONS TO GIVING STAFF? UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST IF THEY NEED IT UP TO FIVE MINUTES. CHAIR, CAN I, CAN I RECOMMEND 10 MINUTES? THIS IS A PRETTY COMPLEX ITEM. ALL RIGHT. UP TO 10 MINUTES. ANY OBJECTIONS? I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE, UH, FOLKS HERE. OH, I CAN'T . SO YEAH, ANY OBJECTIONS TO GIVING STAFF 10 MINUTES TO COMPLETE THIS? THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU. UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, AND BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS IS THAT BASICALLY COUNCIL'S RESOLUTION, UM, WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED THROUGH THEIR RESOLUTION AND WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BACKUP, UH, IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS A REFLECTION OF THAT RESOLUTION. BUT WE THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA HAVE A PRETTY MINIMAL IMPACT. AND, AND THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE, UM, IF PROJECTS ARE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS PROGRAM, A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE ACTUALLY GET THEIR COMPATIBILITY REMOVED. ONLY 13%, ABOUT HALF OF THE CORRIDOR PROPERTIES HAVE COMPATIBILITY. THAT'S RELAXED TO SOME DEGREE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET, THE FIVE FOOT BUMP CAN BE HELPFUL IN SOME REGARDS, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO REALLY, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH TO ADD A STORY. UM, AND 38% OF THE QUARTER PROPERTIES REALLY DON'T SEE ANY BENEFIT, EVEN WHEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS, UM, IS USED AND THE ADDITIONAL RELAXATION HAPPENS. IN THAT CASE, A MAJORITY OF THE LIGHT RAIL CORRIDORS, UM, CAN, UH, CAN SEE SOME BENEFIT. UM, BUT ON THE MEDIUM AND THE LARGE CORRIDORS, IT'S REALLY LESS THAN HALF. AND THESE, UH, GRAPHS KIND OF BREAK THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO ON YOUR LEFT, THAT BAR GRAPH JUST SHOWS YOU THE UNIVERSE OF ALL PROPERTIES CITYWIDE AND HOW THIS COMPARES TO, UM, HOW, HOW, HOW IT SHOWS YOU THE, THE IMPACT, UH, ON THE CORRIDORS COMPARED TO CITYWIDE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT UP TOP THERE. THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED ON THE CORRIDORS. THAT 10,581 FIGURE AT THE BOTTOM IS SORT OF EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY THAT IS JUST NOT TOUCHED AT ALL. UM, SO, SO THE, THE AMENDMENT ITSELF IS, IS CORRIDOR FOCUSED. IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY PROPERTIES, UM, THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE BONUS. THAT BAR GRAPH ON YOUR UPPER RIGHT THERE SHOWS THAT EVEN IF, WHEN PARTI, EVEN IF PARTICIPATION HAPPENS, UM, IT'S REALLY ONLY THOSE PROPERTIES ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE IN THE GRAY THAT CAN, THAT CAN, UM, BENEFIT FROM THE ADDITIONAL, UH, RELAXED COMPATIBILITY. AND THEN IT'S BROKEN DOWN FURTHER AT THE, ON THE BOTTOM THERE, SHOWING YOU THE HEIGHTS THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE BONUS. UM, BUT, BUT THE SORT OF THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS JUST THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN HAS SO MANY COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS WHERE THE PROPERTIES, UH, ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST, UM, TRIGGERING PROPERTIES RIGHT BEHIND THEM. SO MAJOR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS STILL HAVE TRIGGERING PROPERTIES. THEY'RE SO CLOSE THAT EVEN WHEN YOU PULL COMPATIBILITY BACK, UH, IT'S REALLY ON THE LIGHT RAIL QUARTER THAT YOU SEE A MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES BEING ABLE TO, TO SEE, SEE SOMETHING REALLY FRUITFUL. AND THAT'S ONLY IF THEY PARTICIPATE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS PROGRAM. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WITH, UM, MINIMAL IMPACT, UM, ALONG WITH MINIMAL IMPACT, THERE'S ALSO, UM, ADDED COMPLEXITY. THIS WOULD CREATE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR COMPATIBILITY, WHERE WE'VE GOT A CITYWIDE STANDARD CORRIDOR STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, ONE WOULD BE BASED ON ZONING, ONE WOULD BE BASED ON ZONING AND USE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT TRIGGER. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THREE DIFFERENT CORRIDORS EACH WITH THEIR OWN COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, HAS A POTENTIAL TO CAUSE CONFUSION AND UNPREDICTABILITY FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC DEVELOPERS AND STAFF. AND, AND SO ULTIMATELY WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THIS ITEM. WE, WE REALLY THINK THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE DIRECTION IT'S GOING AND RELAXING, COMPATIBILITY TO ENCOURAGE HOUSING CAPACITY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE DRAFT PLAN DEVELOPMENT CODE WAS DOING. BUT AS IT'S DRAFTED CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING IT. WE WOULD RECOMMEND [03:20:01] ACTUALLY POSTPONING THIS INTO THE FUTURE TO BE RECONSIDERED. UM, POSSIBLY JUST LOOKED AT AGAIN IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND, UM, MAYBE DO MORE ANALYSIS WITH OUR PEER CITIES. CERTAINLY THE DRAFT LDC THAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, WAS PAUSED IN 2020. THE STANDARDS IN THAT DOCUMENT WE THINK COULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT. THEY WERE VERY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND SO TIMELINE WISE, UM, THIS HAS BEEN THE CODES AND ORDINANCES. UM, IT'S HERE TONIGHT, OF COURSE, ON THURSDAY WE'LL BE AT THE HOUSING AND PLANNING COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL. AND THEN WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THE 1ST OF DECEMBER AT COUNCIL, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU, UH, FOR THAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, CHAIR. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM OUR SPEAKERS. I BEGINNING WITH MR. HUNTER FLOYD. OKAY. UH, CHAIR. MOVING ON TO MS. HE LAYTON. UH, MS. LAYTON IS NOT ON THE TELECONFERENCE. UM, SO MOVING TO MR. BILL MC CALMLY. MR. MCCULLEY, YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I PROMISE NOT TO TAKE FIVE MINUTES. MY NAME IS BILL MCC HAMLEY. I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF TRANSIT FORWARD. WE'RE AN AUSTIN BASED 5 0 1 C THREE WHOSE MISSION IS EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT OF OUR FELLOW AUSTINITE ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSIT IN GENERAL WITH A REAL FOCUS ON PROJECT CONNECT. AND OUR BOARD HAS TAKEN A FORMAL STATEMENT ON THIS COMPATIBILITY ISSUE. IN MOST US CITIES, INCLUDING AUSTIN, FAR MORE JOBS EXIST NEAR FIXED USE TRANSIT STATIONS THAN HOMES. FOR THESE WORKERS. NATIONALLY, ONLY 5% OF ALL RESIDENTS LIVE WITHIN HALF A MILE STATIONS COMPARED TO 48% OF ALL JOBS. IMPROVING THIS BALANCE WITH MORE HOUSING NEAR TRANSIT CAN REDUCE TRAFFIC WHILE IMPROVING ACCESSIBILITY AND AFFORDABILITY. FOR AUSTINITES TRANSIT FORWARD'S MISSION IS TO ADVANCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE PROGRAMS AND POLICIES. WE FULLY SUPPORT MORE HOUSING ALONG THESE ROUTES, AS IT WILL CONCRETELY INCREASE ACCESS TO TRANSIT AND USE OF THE SYSTEMS, PROVIDING THE COMMUNITY WITH HUGE BENEFITS, INCLUDING INCREASED JOB ACCESS, MORE AFFORDABILITY BY ALLOWING BETTER OPTIONS TO LIVE WITHOUT CARS. AND MAY I POINT OUT THAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ASSOCIATION SHOWS THAT IF A FAMILY CAN GIVE UP A CAR AND MOVE TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THEY CAN SAVE $10,000 A YEAR, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS WE CAN DO HERE IN AUSTIN TO INCREASE AFFORDABILITY FOR OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. SAFER STREETS, BETTER ENVIRONMENTAL OUTCOMES, AND LESS CONGESTION. A MAJOR LIMITING FACTOR OF HOUSING UNITS ALONG OUR TRANSIT CORRIDORS IS AUSTIN'S HEIGHT COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS. SOME OF THE MOST RESTRICTIVE IN THE COUNTRY POLICY SUGGESTING TRANSIT FRIENDLY RESIDENCES ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING ARE NOT PRACTICAL NOR SUSTAINABLE FOR OUR FUTURE AS A CITY, MOST OTHER MAJOR TEXAS CITIES HAVE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS THAT END AT 50 FEET FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AUSTIN'S EXTEND ALMOST 11 TIMES AS FAR TO 540 FEET. TRANSIT FORWARD SUPPORTS THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED COMPATIBILITY CHANGES BEING CONSIDERED BY THE AUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, AS IT WILL INCREASE HOUSING DENSITY ALONG TRANSIT, TRANSIT ROUTE, AND IMPROVE EVERYONE'S QUALITY OF LIFE. WE HOPE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY STEPS WHERE CITY DEPARTMENTS AND THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL WORK TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY THE MOST EFFICIENT PROCESSES FOR DEVELOPING PROJECT CONNECT ON TIME AND ON BUDGET. AND MS. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION JUST WANT TO CLOSE WITH TWO FINAL THINGS. THE FIRST IS PROJECT CONNECT IS GONNA RELY ON FEDERAL FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO BE COMPLETED, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL LOOK AT OUR PROJECT AS A SYSTEM, NOT JUST THE SPECIFIC INFRASTRUCTURE FOR RAILS AND METRO RAPID BUS SYSTEMS, BUT AS A WHOLE. AND THAT WILL INCLUDE HOUSING AND DENSITY AROUND THESE AREAS TO SHOW THAT THE SYSTEM WILL WORK BETTER. SO THE MORE HOUSING WE CAN PUT AROUND TRANSIT SYSTEMS, AND THE BETTER THIS IS GONNA OPERATE, THE MORE LIKELY WE ARE TO GET MORE MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND REDUCE COSTS FOR LOCAL FOLKS TO MAKE TRANSIT WORK. I WILL ALSO SAY, UH, MR. CHAIR, WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION ON THIS. WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA VOTE ON THIS TODAY, UM, BUT WE DO FEEL THAT THIS IS A VERY, VERY NEEDED, UH, TOPIC FOR ALL OF OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS IN AUSTIN. WE WOULD ACTUALLY ASK [03:25:01] YOU ALL TO, TO MOVE ON THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING IN TOWN. AS CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. WHAT I HEAR FROM MS. AUDREY, DO KEMPER. OKAY, NOW MOVING TO, UH, SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION, MS. MONICA GUZMAN, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING. UH, I ACTUALLY THINK YOU'RE VERY LUCKY. I DON'T THINK I'LL TAKE FIVE MINUTES. UM, CUZ YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ME SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE TIME. UM, I WILL SAY THIS IS THAT I, I PERSONALLY GAVA AS WELL CAUSE I HAVEN'T REALLY STATED WHAT CAPACITY I'M SPEAKING IN IT KIND OF FLUID TONIGHT. FOR ME, WE'RE NOT AGAINST POSITIVE CHANGE, WE'RE NOT AGAINST COMPATIBILITY IN CORRIDORS, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE BLANKET JUST LIKE THERE SHOULDN'T BE BLANKET UPZONING, THERE SHOULDN'T BE BLANKET ANYTHING. IT NEEDS TO BE CASE BY CASE. CUZ THERE IS SOME IN THERE THAT IS POSITIVE, IT IS GOOD, BUT THERE'S ALSO STUFF THAT MAY NOT BE. SO, IT'S KIND OF A THROWING OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER TYPE OF THING. MAYBE THAT'S A BAD ANALOGY, BUT FIRST ONE THAT CAME TO MIND. UM, SO LIKE I SAID, IT NEEDS TO BE CASE BY CASE. ALSO, AS I HAVE STATED MANY TIMES BEFORE, COUNSEL, WHEN IT COMES TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS DONE THIS WAY, I SEE IT AS A WORK AROUND THE COURT RULING FOR MARCH, 2020. EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY HAS A RIGHT TO BE INFORMED IN THEIR LANGUAGE. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO WHAT YOU WERE INFORMED EARLIER ABOUT ONLINE INFORMATION BEING TRANSLATABLE, IT'S NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WEBPAGE IS I CHANGE IT TO SPANISH. YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, THE S SO PLANNING COMMISSION WEBPAGE, YOU SEE THE AGENDA, THE BACKDROP, UH, BACKUPS, THEIR TITLE ALL IN SPANISH. YOU CLICK ON THAT LINK, IT'S ONLY IN ENGLISH. SO AGAIN, RESIDENTS DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION IN THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY NEED. I UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS ON THAT, THE MONEY THAT IT WOULD TAKE. IT'S NOT A SIMPLE PROGRAMMING. YOU NEED CERTIFIED INTERPRETERS, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT, ESPECIALLY WHERE FEDERAL FUNDING IS CONCERNED. THAT IS AN UNFUNDED MANDATE, FEDERAL MANDATE THAT WHEN THERE IS FEDERAL FUNDING, EVEN $1, YOU MUST PROVIDE INTERPRETATION AND TRANSLATION TO THE COMMUNITY. I EVEN HAD AN ARGUMENT WITH A STAFF MEMBER UNDER CODE NEXT ABOUT THIS. THEIR EXCUSE OR NOT DOING IT WAS, WELL, NOBODY ASKED, WELL, HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT ANYBODY TO ASK IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW TO BEGIN WITH THAT YOU WERE DOING THIS? SO I DON'T LIKE THOSE KIND OF GAMES. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT FOR TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL NOW HEAR FROM MS. FRANCIS FOLLOWED BY WILLIAM PEOPLES MS. KUYA, I'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. I COULD TAKE THE FIVE MINUTES. VERY EASY. UM, MY NAME IS FRANCIS AKUA. I'M A RESIDENT OF DO SPRINGS. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR, FOR, UH, 22 YEARS, 25, 26 IN, IN, UM, SOUTH AUSTIN. AND, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE THREE, UM, THESE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS OR, UH, COMPATIBILITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND. I, I AM NO, UH, ENGINEER OR NO PLANNER OR, YOU KNOW, NOTHING LIKE THAT. SO I COULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS FROM ONE DAY TO ANOTHER, EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT FOR THE PAST, UH, FEW YEARS. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, [03:30:01] THEY, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE NOT 60% OR 80% MFI THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, THEY'RE IN THE 30% OR THE 40%. IF THEY ARE, UH, THEY DON'T EARN THE MONEY THAT IT'S, THAT IF, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO BE, UM, QUALIFYING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR ALL THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THE CORRIDORS AND THE LARGER CORRIDORS. ALSO, THE, YOU KNOW, MAKING DIFFERENT TALLER BUILDINGS, VMU OR, I MEAN, UM, WHAT ARE THEY? THE VERY MIXED USE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY COMPLICATED FOR RESIDENTS. THE RESIDENTS WON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE THERE. I KNOW, UH, THE CITY HAS THIS, UH, THING, THE 10%, UH, BONUS FOR THEM TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I BELIEVE THAT 10% IS FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE DISPLACED BY ALL OF THIS, THAT IT'S BEING SET UP. AND, UH, I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST THAT THEY, TIM, THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY TOLD ME, FRANCIS, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME PEOPLE MUST BE DISPLACED. AND THAT IS VERY HARD TO HEAR WHEN I GREW UP WITH MY NEIGHBORS. WHEN I HAVE BUILT A FAMILY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, YES, WE DO NEED CARS. I CARRY A BOX OF PAPERS. I CARRY, UH, SO MUCH IN THERE SO I COULD, UH, INFORM RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON ABOUT THIS, ESPECIALLY THIS RIGHT HERE. YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION SO RESIDENTS COULD BE ABLE TO AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THE LITTLE BIT THAT I UNDERSTAND. ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS. WE HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT CLEANS YOUR HOMES, THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE ROOFING, THE PEOPLE THAT BUILD THE BUILDINGS. WE HAVE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT CLEAN THEIR HOMES THAT HAVE TO HAVE, UM, THE, UM, A CAR OR A TRUCK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I HEAR FROM MR. UH, PEOPLES. UH, YOU'LL SELECT STAR SIX PROVIDE YOUR REMARKS. MY NAME IS WILLIAM PEOPLES, MY WIFE AND I ARE HOMEOWNERS RESIDING IN ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE COMPATIBILITY CORRIDORS AMENDMENT LOCATED ON PARER LANE. WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS WITH AUSTIN HOMES. HOWEVER, AS WE UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UH, WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT. WE UNDERSTAND THE STAFF'S NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT AMENDMENT, UH, BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT OUR CONCERNS BE CONSIDERED WITH ANY FUTURE REVISION. IT REALLY NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL OF CITY VOTERS. SO I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS. IN OUR OPINION, THIS AMENDMENT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO ALL THE CITY VOTERS, NOT JUST THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL. THIS AMENDMENT AFFECTS MORE THAN JUST THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED. IT WILL IMPACT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS. AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION STUDIED, HOW THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL IMPACT PROPERTY VALUES, TRAFFIC, PARKING, DENSITY, UTILITIES, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND GENERALLY THE LOOK AND FEEL OF OUR STREETS. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, LIKE PAST CHANGES TO LAWS OR POLICIES, WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO REDUCE OR PREVENT RISING PROPERTY VALUES, RISING PROPERTY TAXES, AND THE CONTINUED GENTRIFICATION OF AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOODS. SO AGAIN, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THOSE, UH, FAMILIES AND HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN DISPLACED AFTER BEING LONGTIME RESIDENTS. WE'RE NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS WILL INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE. IT MAY BE QUITE THE OPPOSITE FOR, UH, EXISTING HOMEOWNERS. AND I KNOW THAT'S DEBATABLE, UH, ON BOTH SIDES. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS AN EQUITABLE PROPOSAL. THE USE OF COMPATIBILITY QUARTERS, WHICH DICTATE THE AREAS THAT MAY HAVE HIGHER, UH, PROPOSED HIGHER DENSITIES, PENALIZES THE HOMEOWNERS AND INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES THAT ARE ALREADY PAYING THE PRICE FOR BEING NEXT TO THESE TRANSPORTATION, UH, QUARTERS. WITH THE INCREASED NOISE AND TRAFFIC, NOW WE GET IN INCREASED DENSITY IN, UH, LOSS OF PARKING ON OUR OWN STREETS. UH, THAT MAY RESULT IN MANY CASES, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS AMENDMENT ARE MUCH SMALLER IN ACREAGE THAN OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING SOME THAT ARE PRESENTLY ZONED MULTIFAMILY. SO IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT TO CHANGE THE RULES AFTER THE PURCHASE HAS BEEN MADE. UH, 30 YEARS AGO, MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. NOW, [03:35:01] BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS, THE CITY IS POTENTIALLY FORCING A CHANGE OF THE RULES THAT MADE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE COMPLETELY UNFAIR TO US AND TO ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY OWNER, EXCEPT NEW RULES WHICH WERE NOT IN EFFECT AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THESE CONCERNS. THANK YOU. ONE, I'LL HEAR FROM MR. BE BUNCH. MOVING TO MS. JAN TO BOOK OUT. MS. BOOKOUT, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I HAVE A COURT POINT OF ORDER CLARIFICATION. FIRST, IF YOU'LL CAUSE MY TIME, UM, WILL THERE BE SPEAKERS ALLOWED ON THE 15TH? SO WE, UM, ARE, WE WILL MAKE A MOTION AT SOME POINT ON WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE, UM, HEARING THIS ITEM AND TAKE ACTION. UH, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A, A REQUEST FROM A, A COMMISSIONER TO POSTPONE ACTION TO THE 15TH, IN WHICH CASE YES, SPEAKERS WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THAT DATE. OKAY. SO IT'S KIND OF, WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION YET ON WHETHER OR NOT TO GO AHEAD AND FINISH THIS OR WHETHER WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE ACTION. OKAY? BUT WE HAVE HAD, UM, A RECOMMENDATION FROM ONE COMMISSIONER TO POSTPONE ACTION. YEAH, I HAVE AN, I HAVE AN EQUITABLE DILEMMA, RIGHT? LIKE A MORAL DILEMMA. IT'S AN EQUITABLE DILEMMA, WHICH IS, DO I SPEAK NOW WHEN MY FELLOW AUSTINITES CANNOT SPEAK BECAUSE OF ELECTION DAY? OR, AND, AND, OR DO I FORFEIT MY VOICE IN HONOR OF THOSE WHO CAN'T SPEAK TODAY? I, I REQUEST STRONGLY THAT YOU ALL CONTINUE PUBLIC SPEAKING AT THE NEXT SESSION. IT'S THE ONLY EQUITABLE CHOICE. SO I WANNA REGISTER THAT BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXTRA TIME. AND THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING. UM, MY NAME IS JANICE BOOKOUT. I'M AN ORGANIZER AND A DATA ADVOCATE. I LIVE ON CAMERON ROAD. I ALSO LIVE WITH A LOW INCOME. IT'S NOT OKAY TO SEND A NOTICE THAT'S NOT TRANSLATED, MINIMIZES THE IMPACT, PROVIDES NO CONTEXT AND A PHONE NUMBER THAT GOES TO VOICEMAIL AND THEN DISCONNECTS. THE LETTER I RECEIVED REFERRED TO CERTAIN ROADWAYS. IT DID NOT SAY THIS IS A SWEEPING CHANGE THAT WILL IMPACT ALL OF AUSTIN. HONESTLY, IT FEELS LIKE THIS. IF CODE NEXT WERE A STAKE AND SOMEONE CUT IT INTO LARGE PIECES AND TRIED TO FORCE FEED IT TO ME WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING, THAT'S WHAT THIS FEELS LIKE AND I CAN'T SWALLOW IT. THE COMMUNITY NEEDS MORE TIME TO REVIEW. I APPRECIATE THE 15TH. UM, IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. DESPITE ARGUMENTS THAT DENSITY EQUALS AFFORDABILITY, RESEARCH AND PEOPLE LIVING, UH, THE EXPERIENCE SAY THAT IT'S FAR MORE NUANCED. FOR EXAMPLE, OF THE OVER 1900 UNITS ADDED, UH, IN THIS SAME MODEL ALONG SIXTH STREET, ONLY 92 OF THEM ARE RESERVED FOR PEOPLE MAKING LESS THAN $55,000 A YEAR. IN THE LAST 15 YEARS, THE RINSE IN THAT AREA HAVE GONE UP, NOT DOWN. SO THAT TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT DID NOT HAPPEN THERE. AND THEY'RE ALMOST, UM, THE HIGHEST IN THE CITY. 24 ZIP CODES ARE BELOW 84%, UH, MFI AND 13 ARE BELOW 30, UH, 60% PERCENT. ALSO, DESPITE ARGUMENTS THAT DENSITY EQUALS SUSTAINABILITY, AGAIN, IT DEPENDS FOR VERY HIGH BUILDINGS, UM, MADE OF GLASS, STEEL, AND CONCRETE, THE CARBON, THE LIFE, CARBON LIFE CYCLE, AND THE CARBON FOOTPRINT. UM, AND ALSO THE, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVER HAS AN IMPACT ON, ON DOWNSTREAM FLOODING. SO THAT TRADE OFF IS, IS THERE, AND WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY DISCARD THE CLAUSE THAT GIVES DIRECTOR DISCRETION, WHICH WAS NOT IN THE RESOLUTION, BY THE WAY. UM, I DISAGREE WITH A FEE AND LIE. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD, UH, PAY TO IGNORE THE RULES. AND IF WE DO, I THINK WE SHOULD SPECIFY IN THE DOCUMENT WHERE THE MONEY GOES AND HOW IT'LL BE MANAGED. REAL PEOPLE HAVE SHARED THEIR STORIES ABOUT BEING DISPLACED BY INCREASED TAXES, RENTS, AND COST OF LIVING. BUT IF WE DON'T LISTEN TO THEM, MAYBE WE'LL LISTEN TO UT UT'S STUDY ON DISPLACEMENT. UPROOTING AUSTIN SUPPORTS THESE CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDS COMMUNITY LED PLANNING. WE NEED COMMUNITY LED PLANNING FOR THIS KIND OF THING. YES, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING VERY BADLY, BUT THIS IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE COMMUNITY NEEDS [03:40:01] TIME TO REPAIR. PLEASE CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 15TH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MS. CYNTHIA VASQUEZ. MS. VASQUEZ, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. WHAT'S GOING ON Y'ALL? WELCOME, WELCOME BACK TO THE TIME, UM, CYNTHIA VASQUE, 78, 7 44 RESIDENT HERE. AND I'M REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT SOME THINGS. ONE, I I, IT'S NOT COOL THAT Y'ALL ARE STILL MOVING AHEAD WITH THIS S**T TONIGHT. FIRST OF ALL, IF Y'ALL KNOW THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HERE HAS NOT BEEN AS FRUITFUL AS IT SHOULD HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE NOT COMING OUT TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND, AND ASKING US THESE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY. UM, I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE I HEARD THE WORD DESPERATE NEED FOR HOUSING IN THE SAME SENTENCE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOUSING AT THE 80% MFI. THAT'S WEIRD TO ME. UM, THE 80% MFI MEANS 83,000 TO 120,000. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT MEANS MY KID RIGHT NOW WHO IS SEVEN, WILL NOT BE ABLE RIGHT NOW, IF HE HELD THE JOB I HELD, HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MOVE BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HE GREW UP IN. SO PLEASE, I HEARD A COMMISSIONER TONIGHT SAY ON RECORD, DO YOU EXPECT ME TO SIT HERE AND LEARN ALL OF THIS AND MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT? IT SOUNDED LIKE THE S**T WE'RE TELLING Y'ALL. SO PLEASE GIVE US MORE TIME. AND I'M ON BOARD WITH, I WILL BRING, I COMMIT TO BRINGING AT LEAST 10 PEOPLE TO THE 15TH. AND I HOPE THAT EACH ONE OF Y'ALL COMMITS TO AT LEAST TWO TO THREE. SOME OF Y'ALL SHOULD BE PULLING IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I'LL BE SEEING Y'ALL ON THE 15TH, ALONG WITH ABOUT 10 OF MY NEIGHBORS OR WHOEVER I CAN GET TO MAKE IT ON THAT BUSY NIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WILL NOW HEAR FROM MS. KATHLEEN CONNORS. SO JUST, UH, POINT, WE ARE AT OUR ONE MINUTE. ARE WE DOWN TO ONE MINUTE FOR SPEAKER? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. PARK SMITH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. UM, REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL AND YOUR TIME AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY AND STAYING UP HERE ALL THESE LATE HOURS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO. UH, MY NAME'S PARK SMITH. I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO AND, UH, IN THE SWEET BRIAR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, UM, AND I, AND I REGISTERED IN OPPOSITION TO THIS. AND I JUST WANNA SAY, FIRST OF ALL, I'M VERY PRO, PRO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, UM, AND, AND COMMON SENSE, UM, TO HOW WE CAN INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. MY ISSUE FELL UNDER THIS CATEGORY IN A, IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY BECAUSE THERE'S A, A PERMITTED, UH, PRO, A PERMIT UP FOR A PROJECT UP FOR PERMITTING THAT WOULD PUT A BAR AND COFFEE HOUSE WITH AN EGRESS INTO, UH, MY NEIGHBORHOOD AT, UH, THE CORNER OF, UH, SANDRA STREET AND SOUTH CONGRESS. IT'S ALREADY A PRETTY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION TO, TO LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONTO SOUTH CONGRESS. AND THERE'S A CHILD DEVELOPMENT CENTER RIGHT THERE ON SANDRA STREET WHERE THIS WILL COME OUT. UM, SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, ABOUT INCREASING THE TRAFFIC FOR THIS BUSINESS AND THE STREET PARKING THAT'S GONNA BE ALLOWED UNDER THIS, UM, SPECIFIC PIECE OF ORDINANCE THAT WOULD, UM, INCREASE DANGER FOR THOSE KIDS GETTING BROUGHT INTO THE CHILDCARE AND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS WHO WILL BE LEAVING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ONTO SOUTH CONGRESS AS THEY GO BACK AND FORTH TO WORK. OKAY, THANK YOU. SORRY, WE'RE DOWN TO THAT ONE MINUTE. UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT MUCH TIME. APOLOGIZE, BUT IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT, CHAIR. THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WHICH WE SHOULD DO. UH, THAT DOES NOT MEAN IF WE POSTPONE, IT'LL STILL ALLOW FOR SPEAKERS. WE'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES EACH AT ANY, IF WE DECIDE TO POSTPONE ACTION. SO JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, IF THAT SHOULD HAPPEN ANYWAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THOSE ON THE DIAS IN FAVOR. SECOND? NO, WE NEED A SECOND. I'M SORRY. UH, SECOND FROM VICE HEMPLE. LET'S GO TAKE THE VOTE. UH, THOSE ON THE DIAS AND THOSE ON THE [03:45:01] SCREEN. OKAY. WE HAVE CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S UNANIMOUS. ALL RIGHT. SO AT THIS POINT, UM, WE'RE KIND OF AT A JUNCTURE WE CAN DO Q AND A. UM, GO AHEAD. CAN, CAN I ASK THAT WE GET A REPORT FROM THE WORKING GROUP ON THIS ITEM? CAN WE DO THAT? YES. UM, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? LET'S GET, JUST BEFORE WE MAKE ANY MOTIONS, UH, LET'S, WORKING GROUP MADE, PUT A LOT OF EFFORT IN THIS. SO JUST A, I GUESS A SUMMARY OF KIND OF THE WORK YOU'VE DONE AND WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US. I APPRECIATE THAT CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL. UM, SO A LOT OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE DID WERE, UM, TWOFOLD. I THINK ONE, WE WERE TRYING TO ALIGN AGAIN WITH WHAT COUNCIL HAD, UH, REQUESTED. AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO THINGS SUCH AS, UM, REALLY MAKING SURE THAT THE FIELD VIEW IS SPENT WITHIN CERTAIN GEOGRAPHY, MAKING SURE THAT IT IS TRULY THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE HAVING TO BENEFIT FROM THEM. ALSO, TRYING TO SEE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, MAKE IT SIMPLER. SO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE RECOMMEND, UM, DIFFERENT COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS THAT FALL WITHIN WHAT COUNCIL HAD RECOMMENDED AND WHAT WAS IN THE LDC DIVISION. WITH THE EFFORT OF PROVIDING SOME MORE, UM, CLARITY, BREAKING US TO THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, AND ALSO MOVING US CLOSER TO WHAT WAS IN THE LDC DIVISION AND WHAT THE STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS. WE ALSO, UH, REALLY TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS. UM, LIKE LOOKING AT ENSURING THAT THE WAY WE WERE TREATING THE METRO RAIL AND THE LIGHT TRAIL, WE WERE ABLE TO COMBINE THOSE AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE WAS WAYS TO DO THAT, UM, IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. AND ALSO LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE UNBUNDLING PARKING. UM, AND AGAIN, IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MET, ONE OF THEM WAS CLARIFYING THAT COUNCIL'S RESOLUTION WANTED THE 8 0 3 AND THE 8 0 1 METRO RAPID ROUTES TO BE TREATED AS, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE LARGE CORRIDOR AS WAS REQUIRED. AND, UH, I THINK STAFF HAD SEEN THEM AS MEDIUM CORRIDORS CUZ OF SOME CONFUSION. WE WERE ALSO TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAD COME UP FROM, UM, FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS LOOKING AT HOW CIVIC USES, UH, WERE BEING USED, AND ALSO SEEING HOW WE COULD INCENTIVIZE SOME OF THE MISSING MIDDLE VARIETY OF HOUSING THAT I KNOW THIS COMMISSION HAS TALKED ABOUT. SO I'LL STOP THERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THE WORKING GROUP WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING, BUT ALL THAT TO SAY, WE'LL BE BRINGING THIS FORTH TO EVERYBODY FOR FULL DISCUSSION. UM, AND IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES, OF COURSE WE WILL, UM, DO THOSE AS NEEDED. SO JUST LOOKING FOR KIND OF POINT OF ORDER HERE, WE WOULD ORDINARILY MOVE INTO Q AND A, UH, NEXT, UM, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE TO TRY TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION OF STAFF AND THEN WE WOULD, UH, MOVE INTO OUR, UM, KIND OF CODE AMENDMENT RULES FOR DEBATE THAT WE USED EARLIER. BUT AT THIS POINT, UM, WE DID ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF, UH, POSTPONING THIS. IS THERE INTEREST IN THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT NOW? OR DO WE WANNA MOVE THROUGH SOME Q AND A, UH, KIND OF ENTERTAINING SOME DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. UH, COMMISSIONER MISHAL, I'M INTERESTED IN POSTPONING. I, WE, I, I WANTED TO START THIS SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAD SIGNED UP SO THAT STAFF COULD GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION, UH, WHICH GETS INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC A MORE, AND SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAD TAKEN THE TIME OUT OF THEIR EVENING COULD SPEAK. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE FURTHER. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, THAT'S JUST, UH, I HEAR ANY OTHER, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ANY OTHER, BUT, UM, SO MR. ROCHE, I'M THINKING THAT WE GIVE COMMISSIONERS SOME Q AND A JUST WITH STAFF CAUSE THEY JUST GAVE THE PRESENTATION. I THINK THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS WE CAN ASK THAT CAN ALSO HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER AND HELP US UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER. UM, THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T POSTPONE IT. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. SO, BUT THIS GIVES US A CHANCE TO AT LEAST INTERACT WITH STAFF SINCE THEY'RE HERE. SO THAT'S, UH, KIND OF WHAT WE DID ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL. UH, I WASN'T HERE, BUT YOU ALL WENT AHEAD AND TOOK CARE OF THE Q AND A. YOU WERE FRESH OUT THE PRESENTATION. UH, THERE MAY BE ADVANTAGES TO GETTING US TO THAT POINT, RIGHT? WHILE WE'VE HEARD FROM STAFF AND WE HAVE THEM HERE NOW. UM, ANYWAY, JUST HOW DO YOU, UH, ANY, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, WE CAN PROCEED. WE DON'T NEED A MOTION, JUST, UH, PROCEED WITH Q AND A. IS YOU ALL GOOD WITH THAT? SO, UH, LET'S, WOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL Q AND A IF WE END UP POSTPONING ACTION? UM, WELL, THE Q AND A, WE WOULD NOT PROBABLY DO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WHICH IS BASICALLY EIGHT AT FIVE. WE WOULD PROBABLY MOVE INTO THE WORKING GROUP, UH, AMENDMENTS AND INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS. BUT AT THAT TIME, [03:50:01] YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK STAFF QUESTIONS KIND OF TIED INTO THE WORKING GROUP AMENDMENTS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR Q AND A EMBEDDED IN OUR DEBATE PROCEDURES, UM, WHICH WE, UH, WE USED EARLIER. SO I WOULDN'T PROBABLY DO THE EIGHT AT FIVE AGAIN. BUT AGAIN, OUR DEBATE PROCEDURES HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT Q AND A. AND WE CAN, UH, COMMISSIONER MUTO, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY THESE DEBATE RULES TO ALLOW FOR SOME OF THAT UPFRONT IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S NEEDED. SO WE CAN MAKE TWEAKS TO THIS, UH, WHEN WE RE IF WE DO COME BACK. SO IT CAN BE MODIFIED, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. UH, BUT AT THIS POINT I'M HEARING, UM, I'M NOT HEARING TOO MUCH OBJECTION TO ALLOWING THE STANDARD, UH, AID AT FIVE, UM, TO GET SOME THINGS, UH, QUESTIONS ASKED OF STAFF PREDOMINANTLY. UM, I WOULD ASK THAT WE FOCUS OUR ENERGY THERE AND NOT REALLY DELVE INTO THE WORK GROUP AMENDMENTS AT THIS POINT. OKAY, SURE. CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND TIME TO 11? OKAY. WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE CHAIR. HE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ZA TO EXTEND TO 11. UH, LET'S GO TAKE A VOTE. THOSE ON THE DIAS, THAT'S EVERYONE. THOSE VIRTUALLY WE'VE CUT EVERYONE EXCEPT, UH, COMMISSIONER MOSH TYLER, WHICH, UH, VOTES IS OPPOSED. OKAY, SO THAT PASSES. ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, GO THROUGH OUR QUESTIONS. WHO HAS THE FIRST QUESTION ON, UH, THESE CUT EVENTS? OH, COME ON. WE GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY . MAYBE WE NEEDED TO JUST, ANYONE? UH, COMMISSIONER MS. SHE ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE, LET'S GO, UH, STAFF QUESTION. THANK YOU GUYS, UM, FOR YOUR THOUGHTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. SO, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP, UH, PUBLIC WISE, AND EVEN I HAD QUESTIONS AS WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT THIS. UM, I DON'T KNOW THE BACKGROUND ON HOW ROADWAYS WERE LABELED AS MEDIUM VERSUS LARGE CORRIDORS. I THINK THE RAIL LINES ARE PRETTY SELF EXPLANATORY, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THESE ROADWAYS WERE THERE. AND I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO AS WELL IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION THAT THERE IS SOME CONFUSION THAT I, I GUESS SO I'M WONDERING HOW WERE THESE ROADWAYS DESIGNATED AND UH, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WHAT WE HAVE AN A S M P, UH, COMMISSIONER? THE, THE ROADWAYS, UM, WERE DESIGNATED BASED ON THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION, SO LEVEL FIVE ROADWAYS AND, UH, THOSE THAT ARE METRO RAPID, UM, WERE DESIGNATED LARGER CORRIDORS. OBVIOUSLY THE LIGHT RAIL CORRIDORS ARE JUST THE ACTUAL LIGHT RAIL CORRIDORS FROM PROJECT CONNECT, THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE LINE. AND THEN THE, UM, THE MEDIUM CORRIDORS ARE, IMAGINE AUSTIN FROM IMAGINE AUSTIN AND THE CORRIDOR, UM, I JUST FORGET THE NAME. THERE'S A CORRIDOR BOND PROGRAM. UM, AND WHEN YOU SAID RESOLUTION, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THAT JUNE ONE THAT YOU SPOKE OF EARLIER? RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN DOES THIS MATCH WITH SOME OF THE A S AND P STUFF THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO WORK WITH AS WELL, OR IS THIS DIFFERENT? THE, THE, UH, LEVEL FIVE COMES FROM A S M P. THE OTHER THINGS, UM, ARE ROADWAYS THAT OVERLAP WITH A S M P. SO THEY, THEY MAY BE DESIGNATED AT DIFFERENT LEVELS IN THE A S M P, BUT LEVEL FIVE IS THE ONLY REAL LIKE CALL OUT FROM THAT DOCUMENT. AND THEN OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE FROM THIS DOCUMENT, IMAGINE AUSTIN, AND THEN A LITTLE FROM METRO RAPID, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY, UM, CAT METRO. AND SO WHEN COUNCIL DID THESE ROADWAY DESIGNATIONS, DID WE HAVE STAKEHOLDER INPUT ON, ON THAT AT THAT TIME? THAT I, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY, HOW THEY WERE ARRIVED AT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THERE'S GENERAL QUESTION ON THAT. THANK YOU. UM, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU FOR TONIGHT. UM, OH, I DID WANNA MAKE SURE, CUZ I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD ASKED HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT ROADS ARE DESIGNATED? AND I THINK THAT'S IN OUR, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THAT'S IN OUR BACKUP MATERIAL NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? WE HAVE THAT THE MAPS THAT YOU WERE SHARING IS NOW IN OUR BACKUP MATERIAL. SO IF PEOPLE COME BACK AND WANNA LOOK AT THAT, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL THAT UP AND SEE THAT. UM, UH, AND COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS ABOUT [03:55:02] THE APPLICA, THE DIFFICULTY IN THE APPLICABILITY OF THIS? I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN OUR DISCUSSION WAS I HAD QUESTIONS OVER CERTAIN OTHER ORDINANCES, DEPENDING ON WHAT PART OF TOWN YOU'RE IN WOULD BE SUPERSEDE. AND IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, I HAD BEEN TOLD BY CITY STAFF THAT OTHER ORDINANCES WOULD SUPERSEDE THESE IF THERE WERE CONFLICTS. SO I DEFINITELY SAW CONFUSION, BUT I'M WONDERING WHERE YOU GUYS ARE THINKING THIS IS GONNA GET KIND OF TRICKY FOR STAFF. YEAH, CERTAINLY. UM, THE MORE, UH, LAYERS THAT ARE ADDED TO, TO OVERLAPPING GEOGRAPHIC AREAS, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT TO DISCERN WHAT'S WHAT APPLIES AND WHAT ISN'T. UM, IN GENERAL, THE MORE RESTRICTIVE CODE, UH, SUPERSEDES LESS RESTRICTIVE CODE, BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. SOMETIMES WE SAY EXPLICITLY THIS SECTION OF CODE OVERRIDES EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, SO IF I'M JOE PUBLIC, HOW DO I, HOW DO I KNOW WHAT APPLIES ON MY STREET? HOW DO I KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT? YEAH, YOU, YOU, UH, FOR MY AREA IT'S, THERE'S NO REAL STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY TO TO KNOW, EXCEPT THAT YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT AN ACTUAL PROPERTY ENTITLEMENT IS FOR A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY. ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT THINGS ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT AND THE CODE IN GENERAL IS THAT UNDERSTANDABLY, WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW IS HOW DOES IT IMPACT MY STREET OR MY NEIGHBORHOOD? AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, UH, IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY BECAUSE THESE ARE GENERAL CHANGES AND THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT COULD LEAD TO SOME DEVELOPMENT. BUT IT'S ONLY IF, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THESE THINGS. THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO SAY HOW IT'S GONNA PLAY OUT. I MEAN, IN, IN MY MIND, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE AREA PLANNING THAT FITS WITH THE GROWTH NEEDS OF THE CITY AND ENCOURAGES. I'M WONDERING IF, IF YOU HAD A PERFECT WORLD AND A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY, WOULD YOU GUYS, HOW WOULD YOU GUYS APPROACH THIS? WE KNOW WE NEED TO CH WE, I I THINK IT KIND OF, THERE'S, THERE'S A GOOD ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT WE HAVE COMPATIBILITY SITUATIONS THAT ARE BLOCKING OUR ADVANCEMENT OF OUR CITY AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT IS A SOURCE OF GREAT DEBATE. I'M CURIOUS WHAT, WHAT STAFF'S THOUGHT IS, SO I'LL, I'LL CONTINUE. OKAY. YEAH. WE'RE, YOU DIDN'T HEAR THE BUZZER COMMISSIONER MO YEAH, THAT'S FINE. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE COMMISSION I'LL, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU HAVE SOME MY TIME SO YOU CAN FINISH UP QUESTION AND STAFF CAN RESPOND. YEAH. SO, UM, UH, SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK IS IF, IF STAFF COULD CRAFT HOW THEY WOULD APPROACH A REASONABLE WAY TO LOOK AT ACHIEVING THESE MEASURES AND RELAXING COMPATIBILITY, HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WE APPROACH IT? UH, ERICA LIK, UM, SO PART OF WHAT YOU'LL HEAR RELATED TO THE EQUITABLE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT POLICY PLAN IS ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, STATIONARY PLANNING AROUND THAT PROJECT CONNECT STATIONS. AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY 90, 90 SOME STATIONS, UM, THOUGH THAT WILL TAKE, THAT WILL TAKE QUITE A LONG TIME. UM, SO THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO DO SOME OF THAT FOCUSED, UM, AREA PLANNING. BUT I, I ALSO THINK, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT AUSTIN'S COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS ARE REALLY MUCH, THEY, THEY EXTEND MUCH FURTHER THAN MANY OTHER CITIES COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS, UM, UP TO BASICALLY A BLOCK AND A HALF POTENTIALLY. AND SO THAT WE DON'T RECOMMEND THE COMPLEXITY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE THINK OVERALL THE CI CITY'S COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS SHOULD BE REVIEWED FOR, UM, FOR BEING EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, UM, BUT ALSO SUPPORTING OUR TRANSIT INVESTMENTS. SO I'LL CONTINUE, I GUESS, IS THAT IT, AL? THANK YOU. THANKS JAMES. YES, SURE. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. SO, UM, AND I KIND OF WANT TO SORT OF CONTINUE ON THAT CUZ UM, I KNOW THERE WAS TALK, WE DIDN'T WANT LIKE A BLANKET TYPE THING TO GO EVERYWHERE. AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL NUANCES, LIKE WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? YOU KNOW, LIKE HOW DO WE CUSTOM CRAFT THIS TO THE DIFFERENT AREAS? AND YOU MENTIONED THE E T O D, THAT WAS ONE OF THE IDEAS [04:00:01] TO DO, UM, SOME TYPE OF PLANNING TO HOW THIS IS APPLIED. SO I'M STILL CONFUSED BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE THESE CORRIDORS, WE WANT THESE ON HERE, BUT WE STILL WANT PLANNING. SO WHAT IS IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW'S IT GONNA GET IMPLEMENTED IF WE, WE ADDRESS IT GEOGRAPHICALLY, BUT THEN WE SAID, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THIS LAYER ON IT. WHAT IF THERE'S NOT THE U T O D LAYER ON THIS CORRIDOR? WHAT, I MEAN, HOW'S IT IMPLEMENTED OR NOT IMPLEMENTED? I GUESS I'M CONFUSED ON, I I THINK WE NEED A, A COMBINATION OF BOTH. MM-HMM. , I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED CHANGES TO COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS IN GENERAL. IN GENERAL, YES. AS, AS A START. AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL PUSH WAS FROM THE, IS FROM THOSE PLANNING ASPECTS. IS THAT RIGHT? AND, AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, AS A, AS A COMMUNITY, IT MAKES SENSE TO CHANGE IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS IN GENERAL. YES. AND, AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT MORE SPECIFIC, AND I FEEL LIKE THE PART THAT WE NEED HELP WITH, RIGHT, IS WHERE THAT CRAFTING IS. I MEAN, AT WHAT LINE? BECAUSE THERE'S MANY OF US, LIKE WE JUST NEED, WE JUST NEED TO RELEASE IT EVEN MORE. BUT THEN I'M ALSO TO THE POINT WHERE IF WE RELEASE IT TOO MUCH, WELL WE COULD HAVE RELEASED IT AND GOT SOME COMMUNITY BENEFITS OUT OF IT VERSUS JUST GIVING UP TOO MUCH. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S CALIBRATED. AND THEN, AND THAT TO ME REQUIRES THAT PLANNING. LIKE IF IT'S FOR E T O D, THEN WE, WE WANNA PUSH FOR MORE, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT ALL AWAY UNLESS IT GIVES SOMETHING BACK. SO WHERE DO WE GET TO HAVE THAT DIALOGUE TO CRAFT THIS? I MEAN THIS IS PART OF WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UM, THAT ACTION NOT BE TAKEN ON THESE AMENDMENTS RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE CAN UM, WE CAN HAVE MORE TIME TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS. AND THEN THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE THING, THERE'S THE VMU THEN, YOU KNOW, WELL WE HAVE THE COMPATIBILITY THAN WE HAVE THE MU WE'RE ADDING, WE HAVE E T O D AND I GO BACK, I'M LIKE, SO WHEN DOES THIS START THIS END? HOW DID THIS OVERLAP WITH, I MEAN THERE'S SO MANY PIECES THAT ARE OVERLAPPING AND IT'S GETTING REALLY MESSY. SO WHERE'S THE MASTER EDITOR? WE NEED A MASTER EDITOR TO GO THROUGH AND AND FIGURE OUT IT APPLIES TO YOUR DOZEN APPLY TO CLEAN THIS THING UP CUZ THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE JUST OVERLAYING. AND WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? I I I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT YOU FEEL WE NEED AS WELL? I MEAN, IS THERE A LOT OF, I FEEL THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS GOING ON AND YOU KNOW, WHO'S GOING, IS THAT A PROCESS? I MEAN, THAT, THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISION PROCESS TO ME, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING EXACTLY. AND WE, AND SO WHERE'S THAT GONNA BE IN THIS PROCESS? BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED WAS A SIGNIFICANT REAL PART OF A PLANNING PROCESS AND NOW SOMEHOW ARE WE MISSING THIS? SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU. RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR BEING GENDER STERN GIVING, UH, SOME OF YOUR TIME TO ER MUTAL. AND NOW, UH, YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSAR CHAIR, I'M GONNA MAKE THESE QUICK, BUT I DO WANT TO TOUCH BASE WITH SOME OF THESE, BUT STAFF JUST HONESTLY FOR CERTAIN COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE CLEAR ON SOME OF THESE AS WELL. UM, SO STUCK AND STAFF CLARIFIED THIS, SHOULD THIS CHANGE WOULD NOT CHANGE THE IMPERIOUS COVER REQUIREMENTS IN THE BASE. SO YES. CORRECT. SO IT WOULD NOT BE CHANGING IT, IT WOULD ALSO, IF, IF I UNDERSTANDING CORRECT, IT WOULD NOT BE CHANGING THE HEIGHT OF THE BASE LOADING AS WELL. CORRECT. AND IT ACTUALLY WOULD NOT BE CHANGING ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BASE LEARNING. SO WHATEVER THE BASE LOADING ALLOWS TODAY, IT WOULD THAT BE ONLY THAT? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, CAN YOU ALSO SHARE WITH ME HOW, IF THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY, ANYTHING FROM SF ONE TO FIVE IS ON THE CORRIDOR ITSELF, HOW WILL THAT BE HANDLED? UH, SF ONE TO SF FIVE ON THE CORRIDOR? ON THE CORRIDOR ITSELF? SO TECHNICALLY, IF I'M UNDERSTAND THE CORRECT, FOR EXAMPLE, ON BREAKER WHERE WE HAVE SFT ACTUALLY ON THE CORRIDOR ITSELF WHERE WE HAVE DOWN HOMES, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE COMPATIBILITY IMPACTED ON THOSE LOTS BECAUSE THEY'RE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES? IS THAT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT? WELL IT, SO YOU'RE SAYING, UH, PROPERTIES ON A CORRIDOR WOULD TRIGGER COMPATIBILITY THAT THEY WOULD WELL, I MEAN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE COMPILED TRIGGER ON THEM CUZ THEY WOULD BE WITHIN THEIR HEIGHT. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, IF YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL ZONES UP TO S OF FIVE ON THE CORRIDOR, THIS WOULD NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU MEAN BY REQUIREMENTS. I, [04:05:01] I'M STILL NOT TOTALLY FINE. I GUESS I SHOULD SAY ENTITLEMENTS. SO THE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THOSE LOTS WOULD REMAIN EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE WITHIN THE BASSON, CORRECT? UH, YES. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN IF WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, LET'S SAY NEXT TO THOSE ITEMS, IF IT'S S OF THREE, IT WOULD STILL HAVE COMPATIBLY TRIGGERED JUST NOT TO THE SAME DEATH. CORRECT. EVEN IF THEY'RE ON THE CORRIDOR, THEY WOULD STILL BE TRIGGERING COMPATIBILITY IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE SF FIVE OR MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONES. CORRECT? UM, IF IT'S AN SF FIVE OR MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONE, YES. OKAY. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S A VERY UNIQUE CORRIDOR AND WE GOT THAT QUESTION THERE IN THE, UM, LISTENING SESSION. I JUST WANTED THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. SO THOSE WOULD REMAIN AS IS WE WOULD NOT BE GIVING THEM X ENTITLEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. WE WOULD NOT BE INCENTIVIZING REDEVELOPMENT THROUGH ENTITLEMENTS. RIGHT. UM, IT, SO DID I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY? WE JUST SAID THAT IN THE CCDS WOULD SUPERSEDE THIS COMPATIBLE TO YOUR GARMENT. CORRECT. UM, SO AGAIN, TYPICALLY IT'S THE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAT SUPERSEDES, YOU CAN WRITE THE CODE IN A WAY THOUGH, IF YOU WANT TO, THAT SAYS THIS ACTUAL PIECE OF CODE SUPERSEDES OTHER PIECES OF THE CODE, THAT HAPPENS TOO. SO IT DEPENDS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT DEPENDS WHAT THE AIM IS. I APPRECIATE THAT AND I HOPE AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS NEXT, UM, WEEK, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE LIGHT DRILL CORRIDORS, IF WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU DO SOME TRANS ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THERE. UM, I HAVE TWO REQUESTS. I WOULD KNOW ONE OF THESE WE HAD SHARED BEFORE. CAN WE AT THIS POINT EXPECT THAT IF WE DO MOVE THIS TO NEXT TUESDAY, THAT WE WILL HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE CORRIDORS AVAILABLE? YES, AND I, I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP. I THINK COMMISSIONER AL BROUGHT THAT UP. UM, WE, WE WILL HAVE A, A ACTUAL LIST OF THE CORRIDORS AND WE'LL GET THAT. UM, I'M NOT POSITIVE WE'LL HAVE THAT IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, BUT WE'LL GET THAT UP ON THE WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE IT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG REQUEST, SO IF YOU CAN JUST HAVE THAT LIST. AND ANOTHER QUESTION, I KNOW THIS IS A THING WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE DONE. I KNOW WE HAVE A STATIC MAP. HOPEFULLY WE CAN AT LEAST SHARE THAT MAP ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL. YES. UM, AND THEN MY LAST, UM, UH, SORT OF REQUEST IS TO MAKE SURE, SINCE WE LIKELY, IF WE END UP MAKING THE MOTION AND PASSING IT, IF WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM, CAN WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE ON THE WEBSITE FOR SPEAK OF BOSTON IS CHANGE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO VERY CLEARLY INDICATE THAT INDEED THERE WILL BE A, PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE US FEEDBACK ON THE 15TH AT PLANNING COMMISSION. SO IT'S VERY CLEAR ON THE WEBSITE. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE CLARIFIED THOSE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER YS POLITO, I HAVE A ONE QUESTION AND THEN HAPPY TO GIVE MY TIME TO ANYONE ELSE. UM, ALSO FOR MR. DUTTON, AND I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS REDUNDANT. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THESE CHANGES OF, SO I UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T CHANGE THE BASE ZONING, BUT DO WILL THEY APPLY TO PROPERTIES THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN RESTRICTED DUE TO COMPATIBILITY? IN OTHER WORDS, UM, IF A PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, ALLOWED GREATER HEIGHT IN THE BASE ENTITLEMENT, THEN COMPATIBILITY ALLOWED RETROACTIVELY, ARE THOSE PROPERTIES IMPACTED TO WHERE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE REDEVELOPED WITHOUT THOSE RESTRICTIONS? CAN YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? SURE. SO, UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE, IF IF PROPERTIES, IF, IF, UH, PROPERTIES WHICH ARE CURRENTLY IN WHICH THE HEIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS LIMITED BY COMPATIBILITY, UM, AND COMPATIBILITY IS REDUCED ON THOSE PROPERTIES. IN OTHER WORDS, DOES THIS HAVE A RETROACTIVE EFFECT FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED UNDER COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS? UH, WELL IT, I, IT WOULDN'T REALLY TAKE EFFECT UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS REDEVELOPED. SO IF THEY SAY, IF A HEIGHT IS 60 FEET TODAY AND THIS GOES THROUGH, UH, PRESUMABLY THEY COULD REDEVELOP TO 65 FEET UNDER THE NEW COMPATIBILITY, BUT IT WOULDN'T TAKE EFFECT OR COME TO FRUITION UNTIL ACTUALLY REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. SO, SO IT'S KIND OF RETROACTIVE, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT UNTIL REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENED. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD APPLY THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IN A BLANKET MATTER WHAT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU. RIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISS. MR. THOMPSON, UM, SORRY. PUSH THAT [04:10:01] IS THIS AND IS THE ORDINANCE BEING WRITTEN PROPERTY BY PROPERTY? SO IF, IF THERE ARE, LIKE, THERE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY SF THREE PROPERTY ON AIRPORT THAT WE SAW WHILE BACK TO TRIED TO GET ZONING TO NOT GET ZONING AND IT'S STILL SF THREE. UM, SINCE THERE IS NO COMPATIBILITY ON AN SF THREE PROPERTY, IS IT, IS IT BEING WRITTEN SO THAT ANYTHING THAT'S ON A CORRIDOR IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT ZONING CHANGES, THEN IT WON'T APPLY TO IT? UH, IT WILL APPLY. SO IT'S BEING WRITTEN IN SUCH THAT, UM, IT'S NOT PROPERTY BY PROPERTY, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE ACTUAL CODE OR JUST THE LIST OF STREETS AND A DESCRIPTION SAYING PROPERTIES THAT FRONT OR SIDE HAVE A SIDE FACING ON THIS STREET. IT APPLIES TO THEM. AND SO AS LONG AS THEY FIT THE REQUIREMENTS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THEN AT THAT POINT IT WILL APPLY TO THOSE PROPERTIES. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. GOT PAUSE FOR THREE MORE IF WE NEED THEM. SO I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS STAFF, AND I MIGHT JUST KEEP MY, UM, UH, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS GO IN. THEY WERE NOT ANSWERED. I THINK I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ATTRIBUTED TO ME THAT WEREN'T MINE APOLOGIZE TO THE COMMISSIONER THAT ASKED THEM, BUT, UM, MINE WERE KIND OF RELATED TO THE APPLICABILITY IN 2 5 2 7 6 9 0 4. UM, I, I THIS THE A AND B, UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THESE SECTIONS, UM, THEY 25 2 7 6 9 4 B UH, SAYS THAT THE, UH, SEVEN, UH, SECTION 2 52 1 0 62 AND SECTION 2 52 1 0 63, WHICH ARE THE EXIST CURRENT COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY TO A CORRIDOR SITE WHEN A TRIGGERING PROPERTY ADJOINING ADJOINS A CORRIDOR SITE. UH, IT ALSO, THEY ALSO APPLY TO A STRUCTURE WHEN IT'S LOCATED 300 FEET OF A TRIGGERING PROPERTY. UH, THAT IS, THAT, THAT SEEMS TO BE INCORRECT. UM, THEY, THOSE ARE THE CURRENT RULES, SO THEY SHOULDN'T APPLY. RIGHT. AM I MISSING SOMETHING THERE? UM, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE MISSING SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT SECTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, HAS A GRAMMATICAL ISSUE WITH IT. OKAY. AND WE, WE ARE AWARE OF THAT AND IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR. OKAY. IT, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S WRITTEN A LITTLE BIT BACKWARDS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO I THINK IF, UH, I COULD, UM, I WILL NOT, IF I HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS, IF YOU COULD STAFF COULD ANSWER 'EM, I THINK IT WOULD CLEAR THIS UP FOR A NUMBER OF THE COMMISSIONS. SURE. SURE. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. DO WE, LET'S SEE, THAT'S SIX. WE HAVE TWO MORE SPOTS IF WE NEED TO USE 'EM. IT'S GETTING LATE. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS AS STAFF TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. UM, WE ARE DONE WITH OUR Q AND A. UH, SO GO AHEAD COMMISSION, THOMPSON, CAN I MAKE A MOTION? YES. CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE UNTIL, UH, FIVE O'CLOCK AT THE 15TH AND BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MEETING. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER ZA SECOND SET. UH, DO WE, YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? I KNOW WE DID A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. I, I SPOKE TO IT A LITTLE. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WANNA SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS MOTION FOR POSTPONEMENT FOR ACTION UNTIL NOVEMBER 15TH? YES, MR. UH, COMMISSIONER COX? I'M GONNA REPEAT A LITTLE BIT WHAT I SAID, BUT MOSTLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, OF, OF THE PUBLIC THAT'S LISTENING IN. UM, I, I'M, I'M OPPOSED TO POST MOMENT BECAUSE I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE A PRACTICAL IMPACT ON WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING AT COUNCIL. UM, THIS WAS, THIS WHOLE THING WAS NEGOTIATED IN COUNCIL. THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS, THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE, THE OFFICES THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO BASICALLY HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY SEE THIS AS BEING A DONE DEAL. UM, AND SO I THINK, I THINK WHETHER THAT IS TRUE OR NOT, IF, IF YOU CARE ABOUT THIS, UM, RATHER THAN TRYING TO GET A HUNDRED PEOPLE TO SHOW UP ON THE 15TH, I THINK YOU NEED TO FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON YOUR COUNCIL OFFICE. UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIT UNUSUAL IN THE WAY THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED. THE RESOLUTION WAS EXTREMELY PRESCRIPTIVE, AND I THINK COUNCIL'S GOING TO DO A LOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DEAL THAT THEY'VE NEGOTIATED AMONGST THEMSELVES IS GONNA HOLD [04:15:01] UNLESS THEY GET PRESSURE FROM THE PUBLIC. I DON'T THINK PRESSURE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING. SO I, I'M USUALLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE. I'M USUALLY ABOUT, LET'S GET AS MANY PEOPLE TO SHOW UP, LET'S DELIBERATE THIS FOR HOURS ON END. BUT I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS UNIQUE IN THE WAY THAT IT HAPPENED. UM, AND SO I, UM, I OPPOSE THE, UH, THE POSTPONEMENT SIMPLY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT HAS A PRACTICAL IMPACT. AND I'D RATHER FOLKS, UH, ENGAGE COUNSEL, UM, AND HEAD IN THAT DIRECTION IF, IF, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A VOICE ON THIS ISSUE. OKAY. ANY OTHERS? ANY ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK, UH, FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM BEFORE WE VOTE? COMMISSIONERS ARE, I'LL JUST MAKE THIS VERY, VERY QUICK. I, I THINK I'LL OF COURSE BE SUB SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE, I THINK IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE US WITH MORE FEEDBACK. BUT I HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONER COX YOU'RE SAYING AS WELL, AND I HOPE THAT OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE WILL TO FORWARD THIS TO COUNCIL NEXT TUESDAY. ONE THING THAT I'LL JUST SAY IS THAT I THINK WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF GREAT POINTS AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, LANGUAGE ACCESS AND HOW THESE ITEMS ARE SHARED AND HOW THEY'RE NOTIFIED. AND I THINK THESE ARE ALL REALLY GOOD POINTS. THEY ARE OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF US AS PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I HOPE THAT THOSE ARE COMMENTS THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO COUNCIL FOR SURE. AND I, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I CAN ADVOCATE FOR SOME OF THOSE BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD POINTS AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE SHARING INFORMATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, IT IS TRULY ACCESSIBLE TO ALL PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD. SO THE MOTION IS, UH, COMMISSION GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER SHA, GO AHEAD. SO, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SO NEXT WEEK AS, AS PEOPLE COME IN, I THINK IT'LL BE REAL IMPORTANT TO HAVE REALLY MEANINGFUL IDEAS AND CONCEPTS. I MEAN, THE CONCERN IS, UM, IF WE COME OUT SAYING, NO, NO, NO, NO. I MEAN, COUNCIL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO LISTEN TO US. IF WE DON'T COME UP WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, OR IF WE COME UP OR WE TAKE TOO LONG, THEY CAN JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE, WE'RE TIRED OF WAITING. WE DON'T NEED TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM YOU GUYS. WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. SO THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO HELP CRAFT THIS. UM, AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE AT COUNCIL. BUT THE THING IS, WE DON'T WANT THE COMMUNITY TO WASTE THIS OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT. AND AGAIN, IF WE DRAG IT, COUNCIL COULD JUST SAY, WE'RE DONE WITH YOU GUYS, WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE OUR OWN DECISION. SO, UM, HOPE WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER ON THIS. THANKS. AND JUST QUICK FOLLOW UP TO THAT, OUR WORK GROUP AMENDMENTS THAT WE'LL BE DEBATING ARE IN THE BACKUP. PLEASE LOOK AT, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR WORKING GROUP AS WE, AS THEY BELIEVE WOULD BE, UM, UH, THEY ARE RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS TO COUNSEL. AND WE'LL BE TAKING THOSE UP AT THIS PASSE AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO, ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE TAKE COMMISSIONER MOOW? I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST ALSO THAT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT THEY AGREE WITH CITY STAFF AND THAT THIS SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD AT ALL. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL, UH, MOTION ON THE TABLE IF, UH, WE POSTPONE THIS UNTIL NEXT TIME. OKAY. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE THO UH, THIS IS, UH, A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO OUR NEXT MEETING, NOVEMBER 15TH AT FIVE. IT'LL START AT 5:00 PM AND THOSE ON THE DICE IN FAVOR OF THIS POSTPONEMENT. UM, THAT'S EVERYONE, THOSE VIRTUALLY IN FAVOR OF THE POSTPONEMENT? UH, I'M LOOKING HERE. YES, I THINK THAT'S EVERYONE. OKAY. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. ALL RIGHT. WHAT DO WE HAVE NEXT? UH, WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM, DON'T WE? OR DO WE PUSH THAT? SURE. I THINK COMMISSIONER COX IS TRYING TO VOTE AGAINST OH, YOU WERE. IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT YEAH, I WAS PLANNING TO VOTE AGAINST. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. SO THAT WAS, UH, WE HAVE, LET ME, I DID NOT SEE THE RED COMMISSIONER COX VOTED, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO POSTPONEMENT. I, I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T FIND THE RIGHT STATE OF RED, UH, IN TIME. SORRY. DID NOT SEE THE CULT. SORRY. OKAY. SO WHAT DO WE, UM, ON OUR AGENDA? SORRY, WE DID THIS, UH, A LONG TIME AGO. WHICH DO WE HAVE CHAIR? I, UM, MR. AVERA, PLEASE REMIND ME, I BELIEVE WE DID NOT PASS THIS ITEM ON CONSENT. SO THIS WOULD BE THE ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION ON INITIATING THE CODE CHANGE. IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIR COMMISSION LAYS, UH, THAT IS, UH, CORRECT. AND I DON'T HAVE, UH, THE SPEAKER, UM, UH, THE 15 MINUTE EMAIL WAS, UH, SENT TO THE [04:20:01] SPEAKER, BUT I DON'T HAVE, UH, THEM ON THE TELECONFERENCE. SO YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ITEM. AND I'M SORRY, I'M JUST REALIZING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION FOR THE MEETING CALENDAR AS WELL. IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE POSTPONING? UM, CAN WE, UH, COULD WE TAKE THAT UP ON THE 15TH, ANDREWS AS THAT GIVES, STILL GIVE US TIME? SURE. UM, EITHER THE 15TH OR YOUR MEETING IN DECEMBER. IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, UM, DIFFERENT AND, UM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE AN ISSUE. UM, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, UH, COUNSEL WILL BE, UH, TAKING UP A RESOLUTION IN REGARDS TO WHEN, UH, THE COMMISSION MAY MEET. UM, AND THAT MAY, THEY MAY TAKE UP THAT ITEM ON THE 15TH THEMSELVES, SO, OKAY. YEAH. UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE, UH, POSTPONE THE TWO OTHER ITEMS, RIGHT? YEAH, WE'RE DONE WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. THANK YOU. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. ALL RIGHT. YES, GO AHEAD. SO [27. Discuss and consider initiating amendments to City Code Title 25 to amend zoning uses to allow for a compatibility of uses across multiple zones. (Co-Sponsors: Commissioners Azhar and Shieh).] THIS IS ITEM 27, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS CAME OUT OF THE WORKING GROUP BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO RESOLVE THE NON-COMPATIBLE USES ISSUE. AND WE REALLY JUST COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT WITH OUR EXISTING ZONING CODE WITHOUT ESSENTIALLY USE TABLE. SO ESSENTIALLY THIS ITEM SAYS WE INITIATE AMENDMENTS TO CITY CODE TITLE 25 TO AMEND ZONING USES TO ALLOW FOR COMPATIBILITY OF USES ACROSS MULTIPLE ZONES. UM, AND I GUESS I SHOULD, AND I'LL JUST EXPLAIN IT QUICKLY AND THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE GOT THIS, UH, CONCERN FROM STAFF AS WELL WHILE WE DOING THIS ITEM, BUT IT REALLY PERVADES, AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN THIS IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PLACES. WE SEE IT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO ZONING CASES AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE TIMES HAD TO PUT ON COS AND TO MOVE CERTAIN ITEMS. AND AT THIS POINT, I HATE TO SAY THEY'VE ALMOST BECOME A TEMPLATE ITEMS THAT WE REMOVE EVERY TIME. SO MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR USE TABLES. NOW, OF COURSE, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING THIS UNDER OUR LDC REVISION AS WE WERE, YOU KNOW, RE-LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR ZONES. BUT HOPEFULLY THIS ALLOWS US TO OUR STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS ISSUE AND SEE HOW WE CAN ADDRESS IT ACROSS OUR U TABLES AND ACROSS THE DIFFERENT ZONES. ALL RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER SHAY. YEAH, I WAS GONNA JUST KIND OF ADD TO IT. SO, UM, IT CAME UP THAT, UH, AS WE WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS, STAFF WOULD SAY, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE A CO AND THEY'LL ALL END UP HAVING COS AND LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE COS? AND IT WAS TO EDIT THESE THINGS. SO SOME OF THE TOOLS AND THE IDEAS WAS TO MOVE THINGS AROUND AND IF EITHER YOU COULD TAKE IT OUTTA THE USE, BUT IF THERE'S A, IF THERE IS A NOXIOUS USE INSTEAD OF LEAVING IT AS BUY, RIGHT? WE COULD ALSO MAKE THAT A CONDITIONAL USE. SO IT COULD STILL SAY IN THE CATEGORY, BUT AT LEAST IT DOESN'T, WE DON'T NEED A CO ON IT. IF SOMEBODY DOES HAVE A NOXIOUS USE THAT COULD BE IN THERE, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THEY COULD COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION FOR IT VERSUS BUY, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN CRAFT IT, AND THIS IS WHAT THIS IS GONNA ALLOW US TO DO. ONE TINY THING I'LL ADD IS, SO THIS IS BROAD ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF HAS THE FLEXIBILITY TO TELL US WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, AND ALSO IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT VEHICLE THAT MIGHT BE BEST WAY TO DO THIS. SO WE'RE KEEPING IT BROAD ENOUGH SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR INTENT IS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, CAN CONTINUE WORKING ON THIS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION? AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST, UH, INITIATE MENT, YOU KNOW, THE WORK HERE. UH, YES. COMMISSIONER COX, I'M SORRY IF I MISSED THIS. UM, ARE WE PLANNING TO HAVE A WORKING GROUP RELATED TO THIS ? THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. COMMISSIONER COX? WE DID NOT, HONESTLY, WE JUST DID NOT GET THAT FAR. AND I'M GONNA ASSUME LIKELY THAT THIS WILL GO INTO MUCH INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE CODES AND ORDINANCES AGENDA, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT STAFF STILL HAS TO COVER THAT WILL PROBABLY TAKE THEM INTO NEXT SUMMER OR BEYOND. SO I'M GONNA ASSUME THIS WILL COME AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST AT SOME POINT AND, UH, BE ADDRESSED. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STAFF WORKFLOW LOOKS LIKE, UM, BUT YEAH, HAPPY TO CREATE A WORK GROUP AND LOOK AT THIS AS WELL. YEAH, AND I'LL JUST THROW OUT THAT REAL QUICK THAT WE ALWAYS SEEM TO BE SO CRUSHED FOR TIME WITH WORKING GROUPS. SO ANY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF THE BALL, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE MUCH APPRECIATED. WE CAN, UH, DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT. BUT TO THEIR POINT, I THINK, UH, WE MAY HAVE, UH, A CHANGE IN SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS ON THE COMMITTEE, UH, COMMISSION. UH, SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE, UM, MOTION MAKERS OR THE SPONSORS HERE? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE YOU WANT GO AHEAD AND TAKE A A GO AHEAD MOTION. SURE. CHAIR. THE MOTION IS TO INITIATE AMENDMENTS THROUGH CITY CODE TITLE 25, DO MEN ZONING USES TO ALLOW FOR COMPATIBLE USES ACROSS MULTIPLE ZONES. AND I SEE COMMISSIONER, SHE, SECONDLY, RIGHT. SECOND, LET'S GO AND TAKE A VOTE. THOSE ON THE D IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. THOSE VIRTUALLY IN FAVOR I'VE GOT. UM, OKAY. THOSE, UH, VIRTUALLY, [04:25:01] UH, AGAINST OR ABSTAINING COMMISSION'S PLEA I'M LOOKING FOR ARE RED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD. UM, WE HAVE THAT ONE PASSES, SO WE'LL PASS THIS ON TO STAFF AGAIN LOOKING AT, UM, AND [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] I THINK, ARE WE DONE? YES. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS PLEASE. IS, UH, COMMISSIONER ZAR, I'M GONNA MAKE A QUICK MOTION THAT ONCE WE HAVE THE NEW COMMISSIONER SETTLED, SO SOME LATE SPRING, WE GO AHEAD AND, UM, GO WITH COMMISSIONER COX'S IDEA AND CREATE WORKING GROUP LOOK AT THIS ISSUE. OKAY. SO WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. UH, REAL QUICK, UH, BOARDS, COMMITTEES, WORK GROUP UPDATES. CAN I HAVE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? CAN, CAN WE GET A REPORT FROM STAFF JUST ON THE SIGNUP PROCESS, UM, AND HOW THE SIGNUP PROCESS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION DIFFERS FROM COUNSEL AND WHY THOSE ARE DIFFERENT. DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT BRIEFLY, MR. RIVERA? ARE THERE DIFFERENCES? SURE. COMMISSION LAYS ON ANDREW RIVERA. I CAN, UH, WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL, UM, DISSEMINATE SOME INFORMATION OFFLINE. OKAY. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANKS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, UH, COMMISSIONER COX, I, I WOULD WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY BEFORE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DUPLICATIVE OF THE COUNCIL'S EFFORTS, BUT SHOULD WE TRY TO, UM, TRY TO INITIATE SOMETHING TO EVALUATE OUR BYLAWS TO SEE IF WE CAN, UM, JUST PREVENT FUTURE MEETINGS ALTOGETHER ON ELECTION DAY? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS TO DO AND THAT THEY'RE ALREADY EVALUATING? I, I THINK, UH, COUNCIL IS, UH, INITIATING SOME ACTIVITY THERE, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT THEY DO AT THIS POINT. OKAY. OKAY. AND, UH, WE'LL SEE. WE'LL COME BACK. WE HAVE ESTABLISH OUR CALENDAR AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE CALENDAR AND DEFINITELY MAKE SURE WE AVOID ANY KNOWN ELECTION DATES WHEN WE'RE SETTING UP OUR CALENDAR FOR THE NEXT YEAR. UM, OKAY. UH, SO WITH THAT REAL QUICK, [BOARDS, COMMITTEES & WORKING GROUPS UPDATES] LET'S GO THROUGH OUR, ANYWAY, UH, BOARD'S COMMISSION TO UPDATE CODES AND ORANGE TO THIS JOINT COMMITTEE. TRUE. WE HAVE NOT MET SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, SO WE DO NOT HAVE AN UPDATE. IS THAT CORRECT? TWICE YET. ALL RIGHT. UH, CONFERENCE AND PLAN. JOINT COMMITTEE, YOU MEAN NEXT WEEK? I'M SORRY, SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. NEXT WEEK. NEXT WEEK MEETING NEXT WEEK. ALL RIGHT. CONFERENCE PLAN, JOINT COMMITTEE, ANYTHING TO REPORT? WE'RE A MEETING ON THURSDAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, JOINT SUSTAINABILITY. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE. SMALL AREA OF PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE AND WE DID NOT MEET, BUT I CAN UPDATE ON THE HOUSING WORKING GROUP IF YOU WANT. OKAY. UM, SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD. ANYTHING TO REPORT THERE? NO MEETING YET. OKAY. UH, THEN WE MOVE INTO WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE, OH, DESIGN GUIDELINES, UPDATE, WORKING GROUP. ANYTHING TO REPORT VICE CHAIR. YEAH, SO THERE'S BEEN, UM, AROUND FIVE SUBGROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN FORMED UNDER THIS UMBRELLA AND, UM, THEY'RE ALL GETTING THEIR OWN MEETING SCHEDULED. THE ONE THAT I PERSONALLY AM, AM ON WILL MEET TOMORROW, UH, FRIDAY, THIS C FRIDAY. SO THINGS ARE MOVING. OKAY. AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE, UH, HOUSING WORKING GROUP. SO WE MET WITH, UM, AIA, UH, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LOW HANGING FRUIT CON CONCEPT AND WE HAD A GREAT ROBUST DISCUSSIONS. THEY HAD, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS AND I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO PUT THAT AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT THEY BROUGHT UP. UM, SOME OF THE STUFF IS ACTUALLY BEING IMPLEMENTED IN OUR COMPATIBILITY STUFF ALREADY. UM, BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO BRING UP, UH, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THEM AS KIND OF AN UPDATE. OKAY. AND LASTLY, UM, HADLEY AND RE COMPATIBILITY AND RESIDENCE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WORK GROUP. UM, SEEN A PRODUCT OF SOME OF YOUR WORK THIS EVENING. UM, J I FEEL LIKE YOU ALL SAW WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO. THANK YOU. YEAH, RIGHT. SO, UH, IF THERE'S NO OPPOSITION, I'M LOOKING AROUND. I AM GOING TO TURN THIS MEETING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT 10:54 PM THANK YOU. T FIND A BETTER THINGSS TO DO THAN TO DRAGS YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.