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LOOKS LIKE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM NOW.

AMANDA MACINO AND CAVA WHITE ARE ONLINE, AND THERE'S FOUR COMMISSIONERS AND ATTENDANCE.

OH, UHOH, CAVA.

THERE'S CAVA.

I THINK AMANDA'S HAVING SOME WEBEX CHALLENGES, SO, OH, NO, SHE'S, SHE'S ONLINE, BUT, UH, YES, HER FACE IS NOT.

THERE WE GO.

OH, THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

[CALL TO ORDER]

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER C, THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE A CORE NOW I'D LIKE TO CALL A MEETING TO ORDER, AND I THINK WE SHOULD ALL HAVE A PACKET HERE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY STAFF.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR THIS.

THIS IS PROBABLY A REALLY JUST STRAIGHTFORWARD MEETING.

THERE IS A COUPLE OF ITEMS THOUGH, THAT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS PRIOR TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

I'D LIKE TO DEFER THAT ITEM TO A FURTHER NOTICE, AND, UH, STAFF WILL NOTIFY US WHEN THAT'S ACTUALLY READY TO, TO BE PRESENTED.

SO, WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH THIS COMMISSION? DO THAT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

ASIDE FROM THAT, WE CAN DO, LITERALLY JUST GO STRAIGHT DOWN THE, UH, THE AGENDA ITSELF.

UH, THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING MINUTES.

AND HOPEFULLY WE HAD A CHANCE TO GO OVER THOSE OR TO, TO READ THOSE IS, I BELIEVE I WAS NOT AN, AND SINCE THERE WILL BE AN ABSTENTION, WE'LL PROBABLY JUST HAVE TO DEFER THAT ITEM TILL LATER, SINCE WE WON'T HAVE THE SIX VOTES NECESSARY.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

IT'S ALRIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, BE AT NOTE AT THAT.

THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES IS SEPTEMBER MINUTES WILL BE, UH, I GUESS DEFERRED ALSO SINCE JAN WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE.

SO HE WOULD HAVE TO DEFER, THEREFORE, THERE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH BOATS PRESENT, UH, TO PASS THAT.

SO WE CAN DEFER THAT AND BRING THAT BACK.

STAFF.

THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

JUST, JUST A FULL REMINDER.

UH, I MEAN, IT, IT'S OF COURSE UP TO THE, THE MEMBER, BUT, UH, MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON MINUTES, EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT IN ATTEND THEM.

I'M, I AM HAPPY TO VOTE THEN.

OKAY.

BASED ON YOUR, THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU, KAY.

OKAY.

, ARE YOU GONNA BE NICE TO YES.

SO, AND JUST TEASING NONETHELESS, GUYS.

UH, ME.

ALL RIGHT.

SO STRIKE THAT.

DEFER, DEFER OF THAT, DEFERMENT OF THAT ITEM.

AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I'LL MOVE, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

YES.

I'LL, I'LL MOVE TO ADOPT THE MEETINGS FROM LAST MOMENTS.

COMMISSIONER GTU.

SO, MOVES APPROVAL.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE ITEM.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, GUYS.

SEEING THAT WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THIS, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, ON THE ACTUAL MEETING MINUTES? HEARING? NO DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.

UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU.

SIX.

[2. Trash in Creeks Presentation]

OH, RIGHT.

THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE, UH, DISCUSSION OF, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE TRASH AND CREEKS.

AND I THINK, UH, GOSH, ANDREW, IS THAT RIGHT? I'M SORRY, ANDREW.

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, SO NO WORRIES.

NO WORRIES.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, MY NAME IS ANDREW KLO AND I'M WITH WATERSHED PROTECTION, UH, DEPARTMENT.

UH, MY GROUP IS THE APPLIED WATERSHED RESEARCH GROUP.

WE'RE THE ONES THAT GO OUT AND TAKE THE WATER QUALITY SAMPLES FROM THE CREEKS, THE LAKES, AND, UH, BRING YOU SUCH FUN THINGS LIKE LOU GREEN, SIANO TOXINS AND, AND OTHER HORRIBLE, SCARY EMERGING CONTAMINANTS.

UM, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

OR DO I CLICK THIS? UH, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL.

THANK YOU.

UH, 2020, UM, THE CITY, UH, CITY COUNCIL HAD RECEIVING LOTS OF INPUT AND, UH, ANECDOTAL CONCERNS THAT TRASH WOULD BE GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.

AND, UH, WHEN I HEARD THIS AND, AND THEY SENT THE C I R TO ASK US TO PROVIDE, UH, DATA TRENDS AND MAPS AND SOURCES AND STUFF, LIKE WE, WE SENT IN A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT THE TWO THINGS THAT THEY NEEDED THAT WERE NOT, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE READILY AVAILABLE WAS TRENDS, BECAUSE WE HADN'T REALLY BEEN TRACKING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN ANY KIND OF, UM, SCIENTIFIC WAY.

UH, AND I'VE BEEN GOING TO THESE SITES FOR 16 YEARS.

I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY 18 NOW.

I'VE BEEN GONNA THOSE SITES FOR 16 YEARS, AND I HAD NOT SEEN MM-HMM.

A AN

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ACCUMULATION OR A CHANGE IN TRASH AT THESE SITES.

AND I GO TO 160 SITES YEAR IN, YEAR OUT.

AND SO I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, PITCH POSH.

THIS IS PROBABLY NOT REAL.

WE'LL, WE'LL DO A STUDY.

WE DID A COUPLE PILOT STUDIES AND IT JUST, WASN WASN'T WORKING BECAUSE TRASH WAS SO VARIABLE AND, AND PECULIAR IN THE WAY IT ACCUMULATES IN CERTAIN PLACES, BUT NOT OTHERS.

AND SO, UH, WE, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAD, UH, WE BROUGHT A, A COLLEAGUE OUT OF RETIREMENT LE LOOK OLINK, AND SHE DID A BENCHMARK REPORT TO US.

SO SHE LOOKED, UH, NOT JUST REGIONALLY, NOT JUST NATIONALLY, BUT GLOBALLY.

WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING WITH THIS STRUGGLE? BECAUSE IT'S A VERY COMMON PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT JUST US.

UM, SCIENTIFICALLY, I WOULD LOOK AT ANY KIND OF INPUT OF A CONTAMINANT THAT YOU DON'T WANT.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD ISOLATE A SOURCE AND I'D SAY, HERE IS A KNOWN SOURCE.

I'M GONNA GO DOWNSTREAM.

I'M GONNA GO UPSTREAM, AND I'M GONNA TAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CONCENTRATION OF THOSE, OF THAT CONTAMINANTS.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH TRASH.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

WE TRIED BECAUSE THAT'S THE EASY BUTTON.

IT DID NOT WORK THAT WAY, WAY.

SO, UH, BASICALLY THAT BOILED DOWN TO TWO THINGS.

OUR STORMS ARE SO WEIRD IN CENTRAL TEXAS, BEING RIGHT ON THE BALCONIES OF SCARP.

WE'LL EITHER GET THESE LITTLE 10TH OF AN INCH DRIZZLES, OR WE'LL GET A SEVEN INCH, YOU KNOW, CLOUD BURST.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE KIND OF THINGS, ONE OF THOSE STORMS BRINGS ALL THE TRASH TO THE CREEKS OR JUST SCOOTS IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT, AND THE OTHER ONE CLEANS IT OUT ENTIRELY, OR IT HANGS UP IN HIGHER PLACES THAN FLOOD PLAINS.

SO THERE'S, OUR STORMS ARE VERY PROBLEMATIC.

WE'RE NOT LIKE SEATTLE IF THEY EXPERIENCE THE SAME PROBLEM.

IT'S A DIFFERENT PATTERN, THE VARIABILITY AND STREAM CHARACTER.

ALSO, IF YOU GO TO BULL CREEK OR LITTLE WALNUT CREEK WHERE YOU HAVE THESE BIG LIMESTONE OR AUSTIN CHALK FORMATIONS, YOU MIGHT NOT SEE ANY TRASH IN THE CREEK, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING, MOVING THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

IT'S JUST MOVING ON DOWN TO WHERE IT GETS CAUGHT UP SOMEWHERE, UH, BARTON CREEK OR OTHER CREEKS, WE HAVE LOTS OF VEGETATION.

ALL THAT TRASH JUST DOESN'T MOVE.

IT JUST GETS HUNG UP.

SO, UH, AFTER TRYING THIS A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS AND FAILING AT ALL OF THEM, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THIS BRUTE STRENGTH.

WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT AS MANY CREEKS AS WE CAN, TOP TO BOTTOM, FROM THE VERY TOP OF THE HEADWATERS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, TO THE RIVER.

WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, UH, EVERY 30 FEET, BECAUSE TRASH CAN CHANGE SO RAPIDLY IN JUST A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

AND WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA LOOK IN THE CREEK.

WE'RE GONNA LOOK ON THE BANKS.

WE'RE GONNA LOOK IN THE, THE FLOOD PLANE ABOUT MAYBE THE, THE TWO TO 10 YEAR EVENT, NOT THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLANE, BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN FREQUENTLY ENOUGH.

UH, SO WE DID A VERY INTENSIVE SURVEY.

WE SPENT A LOT OF MAN HOURS IN THE, IN THE FIELD, UH, MAKING LOTS OF OBSERVATIONS.

WE WOUND UP HAVING 19,000 FOREIGN HUNDRED 67 DATA POINTS, WHICH, UH, WAS VERY EXCITING TO ME AS A, AS A MATH NERD, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT HIGH OF A NUMBER OF DATA POINTS, THEN ALL THE OTHER THINGS, UH, ANOMALIES JUST KIND OF, UH, GET WASHED AWAY.

FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES OF THE STUDY WAS WE DID NOT INCORPORATE AN ASPECT OF CREEK CLEANUPS.

WE KNOW NEIGHBORHOODS GET TOGETHER IN CLEAN UP AREAS.

WE KNOW TOF GETS OUT IN CLEAN UP AREAS.

WE KNOW, WE KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF, SO I MAY HAVE WALKED THROUGH A CREEK AND IT LOOKED REALLY CLEAN, WHEN IN FACT IT'S CLEAN BECAUSE SOMEONE'S HOLDING TRASH OUT.

SO THERE WERE WEAKNESS IN THIS, IN THIS STUDY, BUT IF YOU GET 20,000 DATA POINTS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE, THOSE LITTLE ANOMALIES.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS COUNCIL WAS CONCERNED AT THE TIME WAS SCOOTERS.

I'M NOT GONNA SPEND MUCH TIME ON THIS BECAUSE WE ONLY FOUND 21, WHICH IS A PRETTY SMALL NUMBER.

WE, WE FOUND FIVE TO 700 SHOPPING CARTS.

SO, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 110 MILES OF CREEKS HERE.

IF YOU ONLY FIND 21 OF, OF THOSE THINGS, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH.

AND TO MAKE THAT EVEN BETTER, BY THAT TIME, UH, UM, ATD TRANSPORTATION AND, UH, AUSTIN THREE 11 HAD GOT, HAD COLLABORATED AND MADE A NEW LITTLE FEATURE ON THEIR, UH, ON THEIR THREE 11 APP.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE THREE 11 APP ON YOUR PHONE, GET IT BECAUSE IT'S AMAZING.

AND YOU CAN JUST TAKE A PICTURE, CLICK A POINT AND SAY THERE'S A SCOOTER IN THE CREEK WITHIN 24 HOURS.

ATD IS GONNA CONTACT THE VENDOR.

THE VENDOR HAS A VERY SHORT TIME TO GET OUT THERE AND GET IT OUTTA THE CREEK THEMSELVES.

SO IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY, UH, MUCH OF ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR A PHONE CALL OR AN EMAIL.

AND THE VENDOR HAS TO TAKE CARE OF IT, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.

WISH WE COULD DO IT FOR SHOPPING CARTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S IMMEDIATELY POSSIBLE.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY HOW TO, HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT ONE.

EITHER WAY, 21, UH, CARTS IN THOSE 110 MILES OF CREEKS, AND THEY'RE GONE NOW.

SO, UH, IT IS BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

BUT I DO THINK THERE IS A FAST AND EFFICIENT PROCESS TO RESOLVE THAT.

THIS IS JUST A LOOK AT THE SCORECARD THAT WE USED, AND IT'S ZERO TO 20 ON A SCALE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST VOLUME OF TRASH.

YOU NOTICE THERE'S FOUR BINS THERE, KIND OF, THERE'S ABOUT A GALLON OF TRASH, ABOUT A BUCKET OF TRASH, ABOUT A PARK, A CONTAINER WITH A TRASH, OR MAYBE A FULL BIN OR TWO OR THREE PLASTIC BINS WORTH OF TRASH.

UH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS ACTUALLY WORKED GREAT, BECAUSE WITHIN 30 FEET, HOW MUCH TRASH COULD YOU POSSIBLY FIND? I SHOULD HAVE HAD A FIFTH CATEGORY, CUZ THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES OUT THERE THAT WOULD HAVE LIKE DUMPSTERS FULL OF TRASH.

BUT THEY'RE VERY FOCUSED, UH, POINTS THAT NOW WE HAVE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

WE CAN KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE ONE BY ONE, BUT IT'S ALSO EFFORT, LEVEL OF EFFORT.

YOU'LL SEE ON THE BOTTOM IT'S LIKE, WELL, THIS IS GONNA TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TO CLEAN UP.

IS THIS 10 MINUTES TO CLEAN UP? IS IT ONE BIG ITEM THAT COULD BE CLEANED UP RIGHT AWAY? UM, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN USE THIS RUBRIC TO, UH, EVALUATE COST, EFFORT, TOTAL VOLUME, OR JUST AN AESTHETIC FEELING.

WE ALSO, AT THE SAME TIME, AT EACH ONE OF THESE 30, UH, FEET, FOOT POINTS, WE IDENTIFIED IF THERE WAS ANY SOURCES, ANY OBVIOUS SOURCE.

IT COULDN'T BE SPECULATION, BUT IF YOU HAD A DUMPSTER AND IT HAD TRASH GOING OVER THE SIDE AND IT WAS DRIBBLING DOWN TO THE CREEK, THAT'S

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A SOURCE.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE ARE.

AND MY INTENTION WAS THAT WITH 20,000 DATA POINTS, I CAN MAKE SOME REALLY STRONG, STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT CORRELATIONS BETWEEN A SOURCE AND THE AMOUNT OF TRASH AND HOW MUCH DOWNSTREAM UPING, BUT IT WASN'T THAT WAY ENTIRELY.

UM, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT RESULTS THAT COME OUT OF THIS STUDY, AND I WANT YOU TO TAKE EACH ONE IN CONTEXT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF PIE CHART, THAT WAS KIND OF MY HOLY GRAIL, WAS TO PRESENT ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WITH THE PIE CHART THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE PROBLEM, HERE'S THE SOLUTION, JOB DONE.

UM, IT'S NOT QUITE THAT SIMPLE BY LONG SHOT.

UH, THE BIGGEST WEDGE OF THIS PIE, YOU SEE THE TWO THIRDS, KIND OF THE YELLOW ONE.

IT SAYS ENCAMPMENT.

THIS IS SOURCES BY OCCURRENCE.

THAT IS A STUDY BIAS RESULT.

IF WE ARE IN CREEKS AND GREEN BELTS, YOU'RE GONNA ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF ENCAMPMENTS.

THAT'S JUST WHERE THEY ARE.

SO THERE IS A, A BIAS TO THE, THE CORRELATION BETWEEN WE'RE WALKING THROUGH CREEKS AND CULVERTS, AND THAT'S WHERE ENCAMPMENTS TYPICALLY ARE.

NOW, UH, WE ALSO SAW EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE SOURCES THAT WE ANTICIPATED SEEING.

WE DID SEE, AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL LOOK AT THE INTENSITY.

THOSE ARE CALLED BOX AND WHISKER GRAPHS.

THE, UH, LITTLE WHISKERS GOING UP AND DOWN THE VERTICAL PARTS.

THAT'S THE RANGE OF, OF, UH, INSTANCES, UH, SORRY, RANGE OF INTENSITY PER INSTANCE.

THE BOX ITSELF, THE COLORED BOX IS THE MOST OF THE DATA.

SO THE, THE TOP 75 AND THE BOTTOM IS THE 25, THAT MEAT OF THE DATA.

AND THEN THE HORIZONTAL LINE IN THE MIDDLE IS THE MEDIAN VALUE, NOT THE AVERAGE, BUT THE MEDIA AND THE MIDDLE VALUE.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, THE OUTFALL OR TRIBUTARY SOURCE, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SOURCES WERE ABOUT THE SAME INTENSITY.

UM, ENCAMPMENT, UH, DID NOT HAVE THE HIGHEST, UH, AMOUNT ORDER TO HAVE THE HIGHEST MEAN.

IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE, UM, RANGE OF PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

AND VERY SIMILAR TO THE, THE MEDIAN OF, OF DUMPING AND POINT SOURCE DUMPINGS DUMPING UNKNOWN, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHERE SOMEONE BACKS THE TRUCK UP, THROWS A BUNCH OF BAGS OF GARBAGE OR, OR A OR, OR COUCH OUT OF THE BACK OF THEIR TRUCK, AND THEY, THEY DRIVE AWAY.

THAT'S DUMPING UNKNOWN.

AND THAT IS BASICALLY HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF INTENSITY PER 30 FOOT TRACK THAT ENCAMPMENT DID.

SO, UH, THE NICE THING ABOUT HAVING ALL THESE DATA POINTS AND THE SOURCES IN THE SAME REPRODUCIBLE FORMAT IS THAT NOW YOU CAN GO BACK AND YOU SEE I'VE GOT HOTSPOT HERE, HERE AND HERE.

WHAT ARE THE HOT SPOTS NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH? AND IN THIS CASE, THIS IS UPPER SHO CREEK FROM ABOUT 180 3 DOWN TO ABOUT, OR MAYBE 22, 22, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE IS A, A KIND OF A MAGENTA SQUARE WITH A X IN IT.

THAT'S THE ACTIVE OF ENCAMPMENTS.

WE SAW ONE UP THERE AT BY 180 3.

AND YES, IT WAS DEFINITELY ASSOCIATED WITH SOME VERY HIGH INTENSE TRAS.

BUT AS YOU GO DOWN THE CREEK, THERE ARE OTHER HOTSPOTS AND NONE OF THEM ARE ASSOCIATED WITH ENCAMPMENTS.

MANY OF THEM ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

THIS IS WHERE A BUSINESS OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY HAVE A PARKING LOT RIGHT NEXT TO THE CREEK, AND THEY TAKE A LEAFBLOWER AND THEY BLOW OTHER LEAVES OFF, UH, ALL THE TIME.

WELL, THEY'RE ALSO BLOWING TRASH OFF.

AND SO YOU, IF THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE CREEK, THAT JUST IS THERE PILES UP ON THE CREEK.

SO WE'VE GOT MANY DIFFERENT FINGERS POINTING AT MANY DIFFERENT PLACES, AND THEY'RE ALL VERY MUCH TO BLAME.

UM, OH, SORRY, I'M GONNA BACK UP ONE MORE.

ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE IT KIND OF A HEAT MAP WHERE THE DARKER COLORS IS THE HIGHER INTENSITY TRASH.

THIS IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

WE'VE GIVEN IT TO OUR PARTNERS, UM, AT ARR, AT K, UM, TO, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF PEOPLE.

WE'RE EXPORTING THIS TOO BECAUSE THIS IS, SHOWS KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHERE WE NEED TO GO POTENTIALLY IF WE WANT TO GET THE MOST, UM, MOST BANG FOR OUR EFFORT.

I'M NOT GONNA SPEND MUCH TIME ON THIS, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT DATA WAS NOT AN EASY DATA SET TO WORK WITH.

THIS SHOWS EACH WATERSHED IN ITS OWN LITTLE GRAPH FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, FROM UPSTREAM TO DOWNSTREAM.

HALF OF THESE WATERSHEDS DON'T CHANGE IN THEIR CHARACTER UPSTREAM TO DOWNSTREAM THE OTHER, SORRY, A THIRD OF THEM.

UH, THE OTHER THIRD INCREASE IN TRASH, WHICH MEANS AS YOU EXPECT MORE TRASH ACCUMULATES AS YOU GO DOWNSTREAM.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

SOME OF THESE CREEKS HAVE MORE TRASH IN THE HEADWATERS THAN THEY DO IN THE TAILWATERS, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME EITHER WAY.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO, TO INSTILL THAT TRASH OUT THERE IS EXTREMELY VARIABLE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

WE TOOK, UH, THE POINTS AND WE AGGREGATED THEM IN LITTLE GROUPS OF 10, AND THEN WE LOOK, PUT BUFFERS AROUND THEM.

UH, A 300 FOOT BUFFER THINKING THE RIPARIAN STEWARDSHIP RIGHT THERE UP AGAINST THE CREEK, THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT.

ALL YOU, IF IT'S AN ENCAMPMENT, IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE RIPARIAN STEWARDSHIP.

IF IT'S A HOMEOWNER JUST THROWING THEIR TRASH OVER THEIR FENCE, THAT'S RIPARIAN STEWARDSHIP.

UH, THEN WE ALSO THOUGHT, WELL, IT'S NOT JUST RIGHT THERE, BUT ALL THE STORM DRAINS EMPTY TO THESE CREEKS, SO WE NEED TO GO OUT WIDER AND LOOK AT A 3000 FOOT BUFFER.

AND THAT CAPTURES KIND OF THE LAND USE AROUND IT.

AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU CAN START TO MAKE THESE REALLY GREAT, WELL, YOU CAN TRY TO MAKE THESE REALLY GREAT CORRELATIONS BETWEEN POPULATION TRANSPORTATION, UH, PERCENT PARKS, TYPES OF LAND USE, MULTIFAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY, ANYTHING GIS HAS IN IT.

NOW YOU CAN SEE IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF CORRELATION.

THIS LEADS ME TO THE DEPRESSING THREE POINT NUMBER TAKEAWAY WAS THAT THERE WERE NO STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT CORRELATIONS WITH NEW TRASH INTENSITY, NOT A SINGLE ONE.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT SOME OF THESE TREND LINES, LIKE THESE TWO MAPS HERE, IT SHOWS IF, IF, IF YOU INCREASE THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT, UH, LAND USE FROM NO SINGLE FAMILY TO 100% SINGLE

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FAMILY, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT TRASH IN THE CREEKS? IT GOES DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT.

IT'S, IT'S THIS, YOU CAN'T, SOMETIMES YOU CAN LOOK AT A SCIENTIFIC MATH AND YOU CAN SEE A LINE.

YOU SAY, AHA, THAT LINE ONLY MEANS STUFF IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THE MATH BEHIND IT.

BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT ALTHOUGH THERE WERE TINY LITTLE TRENDS HERE AND THERE, NOTHING WAS SIGNIFICANT.

I CAN'T POINT ANY FINGERS, AND I CAN'T SAY THAT SINGLE FAMILY IS ANY BETTER THAN MULTI-FAMILY.

IT'S WE'RE ALL TOGETHER IN THIS BIG MESS.

UM, SO WHAT ABOUT THE KINDS OF TRASH THAT'S FOUND OUT THERE? UM, I CAN SAY MOST DEFINITELY, WITHOUT A DOUBT, SINGLE USE PLASTICS WERE THE MOST COMMON FORM THEY FLOAT.

IT'S VERY EASY FOR THEM TO, ONCE THEY GET TO ANY PART IN THE CITY, TO GET TO A STORM DREAM, TO THE CREEK.

AND IN SOME CASES, THIS IS WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT NEEDING A FULL DUMPSTER TO CONTAIN JUST THE AMOUNT OF TRASH YOU MIGHT FIND IN 30 FEET.

THIS STUFF THOUGH TRAVELS AS YOU WOULD EXPECT ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER.

SO ANYTIME THERE'S A BACKWATER EDDIE OR A CONSTRICTION OR A SWIRL OR A WHOLE BUNCH OF THING, UH, GRASSES OR SOMETHING, THEY MIGHT CATCH IT UP.

THEY ACCUMULATE, THEY ACCUMULATE, ACCUMULATE TILL THERE'S A STORM BIG ENOUGH TO WIPE 'EM ALL OUT.

AND THEN THE, THE PROCESS GOES BACK AGAIN.

UH, AGAIN, 500 SHOPPING CARTS AT LEAST.

IT WAS PROBABLY MORE LIKE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 700.

AND THAT'S JUST HALF THE CREEKS IN THIS TOWN.

SO THAT MEANS TO ME THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE THAN A THOUSAND SHOPPING CARTS IN OUR CREEK.

ONCE A SHOPPING CART GETS THERE, YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW MUCH IT WOULD TAKE TO MOVE THAT CART.

SO PART OF THAT TELLS ME, YES, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY AN ACCUMULATION.

OUR POT, OUR CITY GROWS, WE HAVE MORE BUSINESSES, WE HAVE MORE CARTS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING OUTTA THE CREEK UNLESS SOMEONE ACTIVELY PULLS THEM OUT, WHICH, UH, FIELD OPS DOES ROUTINELY IN WALL AND SOME OTHER CREEKS.

BUT THE, THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THERE AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

THE, I'M SURE THE BUSINESSES AREN'T HAPPY ABOUT THAT EITHER.

THEY'RE LOSING MONEY BY LOSING CARTS.

UM, SO, BUT EVERYTHING, EVERY WALK OF LIFE, EVERY STORE IN THIS TOWN, ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK ABOUT, BEG, BORROWING, BUYING, OR STEALING IS IN OUR CREEKS.

IT'S JUST ALL THERE.

UM, 76% OF THE TRASH, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE ALL THE TRASH VOLUMETRICALLY, 76, 70 6% OF ALL THE TRASH IS ONLY FOUND IN 10% OF THE CREEK.

SO OUT OF THE 110 MILES THAT WE WALKED, THERE'S, THERE'S 10 MILES OF THAT CREEK, OR 11, SORRY, 110 IS 11 MILES OF THAT CREEK HAS THREE QUARTERS OF ALL THE TRASH.

SO, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY REALLY, IF YOU CAN FOCUS IN ON THESE PLACE, I CALL 'EM STRAINERS.

IT'S WHERE ALL THE TREES GET REALLY THICK AND THE, AND THE STREAM WIDENS OUT.

SO THE ENERGY DISSIPATES IN THE STORM EVENT.

THAT TRASH ACCUMULATES IN THOSE PLACES.

NOW, IN A LARGE STORM, THAT WILL BECOME MOBILE AGAIN AND PUSH ON.

BUT IF YOU CAN STRATEGICALLY GET THESE AREAS THAT ARE BASICALLY ACTING AS TRASH BOOMS AND WE CAN CLEAN IT OUT THERE, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT LESS EXPORT IN THE NEXT STORM EVENT.

THAT WAS PROBABLY MY MY FAVORITE THING OF THIS WHOLE STUDY THAT, THAT ACTUALLY WORKED OUT IN OUR FAVOR, I THINK.

SO THE FIELD REPORT, UH, PRESENTED LOTS OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

NONE OF THEM, I WOULD SAY ARE SOLUTIONS BECAUSE THERE'S, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO ATTACK THIS FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT, UH, ASPECTS.

BUT IT RECOMMENDS SITE SPECIFIC AREAS SAYING, AHA, THIS PLACE IS NOT GETTING, WE NEED TO CLEAN THIS SPOT, THIS ONE SPOT, AND ALL THE WAY UP TO LARGE KIND OF GLOBAL THINGS LIKE WORKING WITH PARTNERS AND HAVING, UH, EDUCATION AND OUTREACH IN SPECIFIC AREAS, AND ALSO STRUCTURAL CONTROLS.

WE'VE GOT THESE WATER QUALITY PONDS ALL OVER TOWN, AND SOME OF 'EM GRAB TRASH, BUT NONE OF 'EM ARE DESIGNED TO GRAB TRASH.

AND THERE MAY BE SOME MISSED OPPORTUNITIES THERE BECAUSE AS IT'S NEVER REALLY BEEN A WATER QUALITY PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF AN AESTHETIC THING.

BUT NOW WE'RE FINDING OUT, YEAH, MICROPLASTICS, PFAS, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE THINGS, UH, FIRE RETARDANTS IN COUCHES.

YEAH, WHEN THEY START GROWING, THIS IS A PROBLEM.

SO WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THIS, THE BENCHMARKING RESULT.

I'M GONNA SWITCH GEARS HERE AND LOOK AT ANOTHER REPORT, UH, THAT WAS GOING ON SIMULTANEOUSLY.

UM, BASICALLY LOOKING AT ALL THE OTHER CITIES AND, AND REGIONS AND, UH, ENTITIES, MUNICIPALITY OR STATE ENTITIES ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS.

YOU CAN BASICALLY FILTER ALL THE STRATEGIES IN THREE CATEGORIES.

PHYSICAL EXTRACTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO A LOT OF, UH, GOING INTO CREEKS OR PAYING PEOPLE TO GO INTO CREEKS AND PULL THE STUFF OUT MANUALLY, UH, INTERCEPTION, WHICH MEANS ONCE IT'S ON THE LANDSCAPE SOMEWHERE, IT'S GONNA BLOW BY WIND, IT'S GONNA GO DOWN THE STORM DRAIN.

HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE STOP IT THERE FROM GETTING TO THE CREEK? WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GET IT OUT MANUALLY.

AND THEN SOURCE REDUCTION, IF WE KNOW ALL THIS STUFF IS UBIQUITOUS IN OUR, IN OUR AREA, IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE IT FLOWING INTO OUR CITY IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT COULD NEVER GET TO THAT PART WHERE WE HAVE TO INTERCEPT OR EXTRACT IT.

SO EXTRACTION, I'M GONNA START WITH THAT CATEGORY REAL QUICK.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN MANPOWER, BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS TO GO INTO THE CREEKS AND PHYSICALLY PULL A LOT OF THIS STUFF OUT.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF THE NEAT LITTLE NOVEL, UH, MECHANISMS OR TOOLS OR STRATEGIES THAT KIND OF LIKE, LIKE, UH, GRAB SOME OF THIS TRASH, UH, ISN'T GONNA WORK FOR AUSTIN.

IT MAY WORK FOR SOME OTHER PLACE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR US.

PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR STORM EVENTS ARE.

AND PARTLY BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET IS 80% LEAVES, STICKS, TWIGS, DETRITUS, LOGS AND BRANCHES, THEN YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO SEPARATE THAT OUT.

SO YOU STILL HAVE SOMEONE SEPARATING OUT.

SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL SEPARATE OUT FIRST BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY WANNA KEEP A LOT OF THAT ORGANIC MATTER IN OUR CREEKS FOR THE AQUATIC LIFE.

SO A LOT OF THESE NOVEL THINGS, UH, HAVE NOT PROVED THEMSELVES TO BE WORTH IT.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS WE COULD TRY.

WE DID HAVE A GUY FROM FRANCE BRING SOMETHING CALLED, UH, A JELLY BOT FISH,

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AND HE PUT IT IN, UH, HE WAS GONNA PUT IT IN THE WATER AND HE THOUGHT IT WALL, AND IT WOULD GO AROUND AND IT WOULD GRAB SOME THINGS.

HE WOULDN'T EVEN PUT IT IN LADY BIRD BECAUSE HE SAID, THIS THING'S GONNA GRAB TOO MUCH OF YOUR VEGETATION AND YOUR FISH AND YOUR BUGS AND STUFF.

I DON'T WANT IT TO FILL UP ON STUFF YOU WANT, SO HE WOULDN'T EVEN PUT IT IN THE LAKE.

UM, A LOT OF THESE GREAT IDEAS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, LIKE CHICAGO SAYS, WE'VE GOT A, A PURVEYORS WHO DO STANDUP PADDLE BOARDS AND KAYAKS.

WE'RE GONNA ENTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM WHERE THEY CAN GIVE AWAY FREE RENTALS IF PEOPLE BRING BACK A BAG OF TRASH.

I THOUGHT, WOW, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND SOMEONE SAID, THAT'S AUSTIN ROWING DOCK ALREADY KIND OF DOES THAT.

SO SOME OF THESE STRATEGIES THAT ARE OUT THERE, WE ARE EMPLOYING THEM.

AND WE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT.

UM, TRASH FISHING WAS A NEW ONE FOR ME.

ANOTHER ONE CALLED PLUGGING, UH, THE SWEDES CAME UP WITH AN IDEA CALLED A PLUGGING, WHICH IS YOU'RE PICKING UP LITTER WHILE YOU'RE JOGGING, AND NOW IT'S CUTTING, CATCHING ON NEW JERSEY AND OTHER, OTHER PLACES.

AND I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT THOUGH, THAT KIND OF LIKE SOCIETAL SHIFT TO WHERE WE BECOME MORE OF THE SOLUTION THAN, THAN THE PROBLEM.

OR AT LEAST START ACKNOWLEDGING THE PROBLEM AND BEING A PART OF THAT SOLUTION.

INTERCEPTION, IF YOU'VE GOT OVERFLOWING DUMPSTERS OR INADEQUATE, UM, PLACES WHERE TRASH PILES UP, UH, IF THAT'S GREAT, IF IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK IT GETS PICKED UP, BUT THE WIND BLOWS THINGS, UH, WATER CARRIES THINGS DOWNHILL.

SO, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE CAN EVALUATE THAT PROBLEM OF TRASH ON THE LANDSCAPE.

AND THEN THERE'S ONE ON HERE, TELECOMMUNICATIONS CABLE REMOVAL.

UH, WHEN A SERVICE PROVIDER COMES UP TO YOUR HOUSE AND CHANGES YOU FROM ONE PROVIDER TO A NEXT, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL JUST CUT THE LINES AND LET IT FALL.

AND THEY'LL SAY, THAT'S NOT MY PROPERTY.

I CAN'T, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH IT.

WELL AS THE, AS THE OTHER COMPANY ACTUALLY TO COME BY AND PICK IT UP.

NO, AND A LOT IF IT HAPPENS IN YOUR YARD, YOU PROBABLY THROW IT IN THE BIN WHEN IT HAPPENS OVER A CREEK OR IN A CREEK, IT STAYS IN THE CREEK AND THOSE CABLES GET REALLY LONG.

SO WE, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO FIND OUT A SOLUTION ON HOW WE CAN GET THE CABLE PROVIDER WHO OWNS IT TO ACTUALLY TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

UM, UM, INTERCEPTION IS ALL ABOUT, UH, CAPACITY, PROXIMITY, AND ACCESSIBILITY.

UH, WALT DISNEY DID A STUDY WHEN, WHEN, UH, A LONG TIME AGO ABOUT HOW FAR DO YOU HAVE TO WALK BEFORE A PERSON WILL ACTUALLY THROW SOMETHING IN THE TRASH OTHER THAN JUST THROWING IT ON THE GROUND.

AND HE CAME UP WITH 30 FEET, HE SAID, IN DISNEYLAND, WE, OR DISNEY WORLD, ONE OF THE TWO, WE HAVE TO PUT A TRASH CAN EVERY 30 FEET IN THIS ENTIRE PARK IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO STOP THROWING IT ON THE GROUND.

K ACTUALLY DID ANOTHER STUDY AND FOUND THE, ALMOST THE EXACT SAME DISTANCE.

SO IT'S, IT'S A REAL HUMAN THING, NOT JUST DISNEY LAND GOERS.

IT'S LIKE HUMANS, OR AT LEAST OUR CURRENT HUMAN, UH, PARADIGM.

HOPEFULLY THAT CHANGES OVER TIME.

BUT IF YOU'RE NOT, THAT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A WASTE RECEPTACLE THAT'S BIG ENOUGH OR CLOSE ENOUGH, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA GO ON THE GROUND.

SO THERE ARE THESE WEIRD PLACES LIKE, UH, LADYBIRD LAKE.

LOTS OF PEOPLE USE LADYBIRD LAKE AND THERE'S NO TRASHCANS ANYWHERE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, WHO WOULD PICK 'EM UP? SO THERE ARE OTHER PLACES, UH, THAT ARE, ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THAT THEY'RE GIVING THESE LITTLE LITTER BOATS OR THERE HAVING DIFFERENT STRATEGIES WHERE IN TIMES OF HIGH USAGE, THERE'S AN OFFER OF A PLACE.

OR MAYBE EVEN IF THERE WAS JUST A, A MESH TRASH BAG ON THE SIDE OF EVERY KAYAK OR CANOE THAT WAS ALLOWED ON THE LAKE, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEIR TRASH INSTEAD OF FORGETTING ABOUT IT OR ACCIDENTALLY LETTING IT FALL IN.

SO, UH, STREET SWEEPING, AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE, UH, THE, NOT JUST THE EFFECTIVENESS, BUT STRATEGICALLY THE LOCATIONS OF THOSE.

UM, WE'D, I'D LOVE TO HAVE GUARDS ON EVERY GUTTER LIKE THIS ONE, BUT THEN IF YOU HAVE IT CLOGGED WITH A PLASTIC BAG, THEN YOU'RE GONNA CAUSE LOCALIZED FLOODING.

SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT, THAT QUICKLY AND ROUTINELY GETS THESE.

UH, THERE WAS AN IDEA FOR ADOPT A DRAIN INSTEAD OF ADOPT AN ENTIRE CREEK OR A SECTION OF CREEK OR SECTION OF HIGHWAY, ADOPT A DRAIN, A BUSINESS COULD SPONSOR THEIR DRAIN RIGHT IN FRONT AND JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAN.

MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE GUTTER, A GUARD ON THAT AND MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAN.

UH, AGAIN, THIS GREAT IDEA CAME UP.

WE, WE SAID, HEY, WE SHOULD DO THIS.

AND OUR EDUCATION DEPARTMENT, UH, LED BY JESSICA WILSON WAS LIKE, OH, WE'RE ALREADY, WE'RE ALREADY ON THAT.

WE'RE DOING IT.

UH, WE'RE GONNA ROLL THAT OUT THIS YEAR.

WE'VE GOT A PILOT THING GOING.

SO, UH, LOOK, LOOK FORWARD TO ADOPT A DRAIN.

I WANNA PUSH THAT ONE OUT.

UH, AS SOON AS THAT, AS SOON AS THAT HITS THE GROUND, UH, IN A, IN A LARGER FASHION, REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO SOURCE REDUCTION.

WE NEED TO GET A HANDLE OF THE STUFF OUT THERE, OUR ENTIRE SOCIETY, SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT OF STYROFOAMS AND PLASTICS, IT'S JUST, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH THEY'RE MAKING, YOU REALIZE THAT'S HOW MUCH WE'RE CONSUMING AND HOW MUCH IS GOING, YOU KNOW, THE RATIO OF WHICH IS GOING ON THE GROUND.

SO WE TRIED THE BAG BAN, BUT UH, TEXAS SAYS YOU CAN'T DO, UH, CONTAINERS.

THEY DID THE SAME THING IN FLORIDA, AND ACTUALLY FLORIDA IS A LITTLE AHEAD OF US ON THIS ONE.

SUPER EMBARRASSING TO SAY THAT.

UM, BUT STYROFOAM, THEY WANNA REGULATE IT NOT AS A CONTAINER BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE SAME KIND OF RESTRICTION.

THEY WANNA REGULATE IT AS A, AS A CHEMICAL POLLUTANT BECAUSE IT IS.

SO I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT ANGLES THAT WE CAN APPROACH.

PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, INCAPABLE OF, OF APPROACHING ON, ON A KIND OF A, A STRATOSPHERE LEVEL.

AND THEN OTHER, OF COURSE, EDUCATION AND OUTREACH AND, BUT JUST PARTNERING WITH PEOPLE.

HEB WAS A WONDERFUL PARTNER DURING THE BAGMAN.

I, WE HAVE OTHER WONDERFUL PARTNERS.

I THINK JUST GETTING WITH THEM WITH KIND OF VOLUNTARY COOPERATION AND AND COORDINATED STRATEGY IS, WOULD BE A A, AN IMPROVEMENT.

BOTTOM LINE IS HERE, AND I THINK I'VE PROBABLY ALREADY GONE WAY MORE THAN I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE TALKED, BUT, UM, TRASH AND CREEKS, WE CAN'T POINT TO ONE THING.

IF I WERE TO FIX A PROBLEM SUCH AS ENCAMPMENTS, IF I WERE TO GO TOMORROW AND FIX THAT ENTIRE PROBLEM AND IT WASN'T A

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PROBLEM, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TRASH AND CREEKS.

WE WOULD STILL HAVE INCREASING AMOUNTS OF TRASH AND CREEKS.

IT COMES FROM ALL OF US, NOT JUST NOT JUST ONE, UH, SCAPEGOAT.

UH, I CAN SAY THAT THE COA AND PARTNERS ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE SOLUTION AND THERE'S LOTS OF NOVEL THINGS THAT ARE BEING TRIED.

BUT, UH, THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, UH, FOR EFFICIENCY AND INNOVATION.

UH, THE NEXT STEPS IS THE CITY IS WE'RE WORKING ON THESE THINGS.

WE'RE COORDINATING.

UM, WE ARE GONNA GO BACK TO COUNCIL TO GIVE THEM A, A, A RESPONSE TO THEIR PREVIOUS QUESTION, WHICH WAS, OKAY, GREAT, ANDREW, THANKS.

THIS IS A LOT OF PAPER, A LOT OF READING.

IT'S A LOT OF STUFF, BUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO REALLY DO ABOUT THIS? SO WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR OTHER, UH, LEADERS IN MANAGEMENT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE LOW HANGING FRUITS? WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW? WHAT COULD WE DO IN THE FUTURE? WHAT COULD COUNCIL DO ON A STRATOSPHERIC LEVEL THAT THE, THE CITY DEPARTMENTS THEMSELVES THAT VISUALLY CAN'T DO? SO WE WERE GOING BACK AND I BROUGHT A PEN AND A PAPER, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT, I WOULD LOVE TO RECORD IT.

AND, UH, BEFORE I DO THAT, BIG THANKS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT IN THE CREEKS WITH ME AND WALKED AND PICKED AND, AND LOOKED AT THE STUFF.

WE PICKED UP A LOT OF TRASH ON THE WAY.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, ALL THE DATA PEOPLE AND ALL THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT COORDINATE, UH, THE, THE GIS, I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS.

AND AT NO STAGE IT WAS, I UNIMPRESSED WITH THE ABILITIES AND THE ENTHUSIASM OF MY FELLOW STAFF PEOPLE AS WELL AS ALL THE PARTNERS.

AND THIS LIST IS MUCH LONGER.

IT'S JUST THE FIRST FEW I CAME UP WITH.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE CLEANING UP TRASH AND, AND HELPING OUT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

GREAT JOB.

THANK YOU ANDREW.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANDREW? YEAH, YEAH, I JUST HAD A BRIEF QUESTION.

ONE OF THE SLIDES, THE FIELD REPORT, UH, SLIDE MENTIONS IMPROVED RULES FOR DUMPSTERS AS A SUGGESTION.

ANY GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT THAT COULD BE? YES.

SO, UH, ACTUALLY, SO AT THIS, AT THIS CURRENT TIME, PRETTY MUCH IF A APARTMENT OR A BUSINESS OR SOMEBODY NEEDS A DUMPSTER, THEY BASICALLY EVALUATE THEIR OWN NEED.

THEY EVALUATE HOW MANY DUMPSTERS THEY NEED, HOW OFTEN THEY WANT IT PICKED UP, AND THEN THEY, THEY REQUEST THAT SERVICE.

UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE IS VERY LITTLE IN THE WAYS OF, UH, THE MUNICIPALITY GETTING IN BETWEEN WHAT THEIR DESIRES ARE AND WHAT MAYBE THE APPARENT NEEDS ACTUALLY ARE.

MM-HMM.

, UM, SOME PLACES SEEM LIKE THEY'RE CHRONIC, UH, CHRONICALLY OVERFLOWING AND, AND, AND SPILLING OUT.

BUT THE CITY REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A HAND IN THAT.

AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT AND, AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

DO WE WANT TO INSERT OURSELVES INTO THAT PROCESS AND MAKE, MAKE SOME RULES THAT SAY PER SQUARE FOOT, PER UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY PER WHATEVER YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE X NUMBER.

OR MAYBE IF YOU'RE FOUND TO BE OVERFLOWING X NUMBER OF TIMES YOU NEED TO GET ANOTHER DUMPSTER.

SO I MEAN, IT WOULD BE IMPOSING THAT COST ONTO THE LANDOWNER, WHICH IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE.

BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW THAT PROCESS IS, IS NOT CLEAR AND IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S SET UP THAT THE CITY REALLY INTERFERES VERY MUCH.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM MY LEVEL, I'M LIKE, MAYBE WE SHOULD, THERE, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT PER UNIT FOR MULTI-FAMILY SERVICE FOR, AND, AND AGAIN, LIKE I WAS KIND OF LED TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WASN'T MUCH INVOLVEMENT.

I DON'T IS IT JUST FOR RECYCLING OR IS THAT FOR TOTAL VOLUME? RECYCLING? RECYCLING? CORRECT.

THAT'S FOR OH, JUST FOR RECYCLING, NOT FOR LANDFILL TRASH.

NO IBLE WASTE, I DON'T BELIEVE.

NO, THERE'S NO, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT, AT ONE TIME, A, UH, STANDARD AND UH, AND THE METRICS FOR LANDFILL WASTE AT APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

IS THERE ONE SET UP? THERE IS NOT TODAY, BUT I WANNA BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE PAST AS A, UH, DEPARTMENT AND I, I DON'T HAVE STAFF WHILE THEY'RE COMING UP.

I'LL JUST SAY I LIKE THE IDEA OF IF YOU'RE LIKE REPORTED A FEW TIMES FOR OVER THAT YOU HAVE TO GET MORE .

SORRY, KAVA.

.

UM, YEAH, SO YOU'RE RIGHT, KAVA.

WE, WE DO HAVE IT FOR RECYCLING RIGHT NOW AT, UH, WE HAVE A LIMIT ON THAT FOR TRASH.

IT'S REALLY REGULATED BY OVERFLOWING.

IT DOES BECOME, IT'S A CODE COMPLIANCE AND WE DO DEFER TO THEM RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE A, I'M GONNA CALL IT A NUMBER.

UM, IT'S, UH, WE DO, UM, REALLY LOOK TO KIND OF THE ECONOMICS OF IT.

WE TALK ABOUT RIGHT SIZING A LOT, UM, TO ADJUST THE SIZING AND CONTINUALLY WITH THEIR HAULERS.

BUT THERE IS NO HARD NUMBER.

WE LOOK TO OVERFLOWING AND IF THERE IS, WE DEFER TO, UH, CODE.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M GONNA, IF I CAN TACK ON THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS I DID NOTICE THOUGH, AND MAYBE SOMETIMES OVERFLOWING DUMPSTERS HAPPEN WITH INFREQUENCY, BUT THEY DO HAPPEN, IS THAT SOME DUMPSTERS HAVE A, UH, A SECONDARY, I CALL IT SECONDARY CONTAINMENT, SOME KIND OF WALL AROUND IT.

I, I USED TO THINK IT WAS ALL AESTHETICS, BUT THOSE THAT DO HAVE THAT WALL AROUND IT, THAT

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TRASH KIND OF STAYS NEARBY.

AND THE TRASH, THE DUMPSTERS THAT ARE RIGHT UP NEXT TO A CREEK IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE OLD WATER, YOU KNOW, WATER QUALITY CONTROL, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CONTAINMENT, IT JUST DRIBBLES ON STRAIGHT TO THE CREEK.

SO THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT'S SOME TYPE WAY OF A CHAIN LINK FENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD CATCH IT.

THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT, FOR REQUIRING A SECONDARY CONTAINMENT.

THE 10% OF THE TRASH THAT YOU FIND, IS THAT USUALLY FOUND DOWNSTREAM? NO, I MEAN, I MEAN THE HOTSPOTS, THE REALLY ONES THE HOT SPOT.

YEAH, THEY'RE UP MIDDLE AND DOWN.

IT REALLY, YOU WOULD ASSUME THEY'D ALL BE DOWNSTREAM, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT TRASH FLOWS THROUGH THE WHOLE SYSTEM FROM THE TOP TO BOTTOM AND IT STOPS AT SOME PLACES.

AND THAT PLACE IS TYPICALLY A PHYSICAL, UH, IMPEDIMENT.

SO WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE EAST SIDE, THE WEST SIDE, NORTH SIDE, HILLS, FLAT AREAS, IF THERE IS AN IMPEDIMENT TO THAT TRASH FLOWING, IT WILL ACCUMULATE AT THAT SPOT.

AND THE MOST PREVALENT ITEM, OBVIOUSLY IS PLASTICS.

NUMERICALLY, YES.

OKAY.

I, YOU KNOW, KEN OR STAFF? I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION NOW.

I, ONE TIME WE DID, WE DID WORK WITH, UH, WHAT IS IT, UH, I GUESS PARKS AND WATERSHED PROTECTION IN PROVIDING SOME CLEANUP, UH, ASSISTANCE WITH THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS.

YES.

COMMISSIONER, IS THAT STILL ONGOING OR IS THAT YES, CHAIRMAN KINS SNIPS DIRECTOR AUSTIN RESOURCES RECOVERY.

UH, WE HAVE A FULLY STAFFED OUT TEAM NOW THAT, UH, WE CALL IT THE CLEAN CREEK'S CREW, AND THEY WORK THROUGHOUT THE WATERSHED SYSTEM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH WATERSHED PROTECTION, UH, TO REMOVE TRASH FROM THE CREEK.

SO THEY'RE OUT ON A REGULAR BASIS.

THEY EITHER RESPOND TO, UH, CALLS OR ISSUES AS THEY COME UP.

UH, WE ALSO, UH, WORK OFF OF A SCHEDULE, UH, THAT'S PUT TOGETHER, UH, WITH WATERSHED PROTECTION.

SO WE DO HAVE A CREW THAT IS OUT BASICALLY EVERY DAY, UH, WORKING IN THE CREEKS.

THANK YOU, KEN.

UH, KABA, THANKS.

UH, FIRST I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, LOVE THAT THIS WORK HAS BEEN DONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, THAT THIS IS AMAZING.

UM, I AM WONDERING A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE, IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WERE LOOKING FOR SOURCES, HOW FAR FROM THE CREEK DID YOU GO? WE, WE, UH, SO IN ALL CASES IT WAS, IT WAS ONLY WHAT WE COULD SEE FROM THE CREEK ITSELF, AND WE ONLY WENT INTO THAT FLOOD PLAIN AREA.

SO IF, IF WE SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS WAY DOWN THE STREET, WE WOULDN'T COUNT IT, IT WOULD ONLY BE WITHIN THAT AREA OF THE STUDY.

AND THAT'S THE REASON I DID THAT, WAS BECAUSE IF YOU TREAT, UH, DIFFERENT SEGMENTS IN A STUDY DIFFERENTLY, THEN YOU'RE, YOU CAN'T REALLY COUNT ON THE, THE RIGHT.

SO YEAH, WE HAD TO PUT ON OUR BLINDERS AND SAY JUST PRETTY MUCH THE FLOOD PLAIN AREA.

AND WITH LUCK THOUGH, IF WE MAKE THAT ROUTINE IN A REPRODUCIBLE, WE, WE CALL IT IN SCIENTIFIC STUDY LAND.

IF YOU MAKE YOUR, UH, STUDY REPRODUCIBLE, THEN I CAN GO BACK FIVE, 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND DO THE SAME STUDY IN THE SAME MANNER AND REALLY KIND OF UNDERSTAND TRENDS.

ACCUMULATION RATES IS SOMETHING I'M EXCITED ABOUT ACTUALLY, WHICH IS, I NEVER THOUGHT I'D SAY THAT, BUT, UM, IF I GO TO A SITE AND I RATE IT A 10, 15, 20 OR WHATEVER, AND THEN, UH, SOMEBODY CLEANS IT UP AND IT'S WHISTLE CLEAN, I CAN COME BACK SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS, 10 MONTHS, 12 MONTHS LATER AND SEE WHAT IS THE ACCUMULATION RATE.

AND THAT GIVES ME SOME IDEA OF CHANGE OVER TIME TOO.

SO I THINK THIS, I WISH WE'D HAD THIS STUDY DONE YEARS AGO, BUT, UM, I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S KIND OF OUR, OUR STARTING POINT FROM UNDERSTANDING BETTER.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

BETTER, BETTER NOW THAN, THAN LATER.

UM, I GUESS I'M ASKING CUZ I, I'M, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A DEFINITE BENEFIT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE INTERCEPTION, OBVIOUSLY SOURCE REDUCTION BEING THE BEST, THEN INTERCEPTION AND THEN LIKE, OR LIKE INTERCEPTION BEFORE IT'S IN THE CREEK.

UM, AND THEN LIKE CLEANING OUT OUT OF THE CREEK, I GUESS BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE THE THING THAT YOU DO BECAUSE YOU'VE FAILED AT THE OTHER STRATEGIES AND, AND BY THE TIME THINGS ARE IN THE CREEK, THEY, SOME OF THOSE PLASTICS I KNOW START BREAKING DOWN PRETTY QUICKLY AND, UM, AND, AND YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T GET IT ALL OUT AND YOU DO HAVE HAVE THAT, THAT MICROPLASTIC POLLUTION OCCURRING.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S, THAT'S PARTIALLY COMMENT.

BUT THEN I GUESS A QUESTION OF, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT, UM, STRATEGIES THAT ARE BEING DEPLOYED AND, AND SOME OF THEM I WAS AWARE OF AND THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT I WASN'T.

UM, I'M, I'M WONDERING, AND I HAVEN'T READ THE FULL REPORT, I APOLOGIZE.

DO YOU QUANTIFY LIKE THOSE VARIOUS EFFORTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY DOLLARS, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH TRASH IS BEING REMOVED FROM, HOW MANY SITES, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD, UH, INTENDED TO DO WITH THE BENCHMARK REPORT WAS TO PRESENT A SOLUTION LIKE ADOPT A DRAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SAY, HOW MUCH IS THIS GONNA COST AND HOW MUCH WILL THIS ACTUALLY HELP THE PROBLEM? AND FROM THAT YOU CAN, LIKE A MENU, YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE OF

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THINGS AND HAVE A BUDGET FOR IT.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT ALL HAS TO DO ABOUT SCALE.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE TO ADOPT A DRAIN PROGRAM AND YOU HAD 15 PEOPLE DO IT, YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING IF YOU HAD ALL DRAINS ADOPTED, IT WOULD, SO IT, TRYING TO IDENTIFY A WAY ON A PER UNIT BASIS TO COMPARE THEM, WE, WE JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT.

THERE IS IN THE REPORT KIND OF A LITTLE DOLLAR SIGN THING.

LIKE IF YOU GO TO A HOTEL, YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY START OR HOW MANY DOLLAR SIGNS AND GET A GENERAL IDEA FOR THE TOTAL COST.

BUT SOME OF THE COSTS ARE SO INSIDIOUS.

UH, SOME OF THESE THINGS LIKE A, A WATER WHEEL OR SOME OF THESE BIG ROBOTS YOU'D HAVE ON THE LAKE TO DO SOMETHING.

THE UPFRONT COST IS ONE THING.

THE MAINTENANCE OVER TIME IS ANOTHER COST THAT'S HARD TO GET A HANDLE ON.

AND SO WE DECIDED TO KIND OF STEP BACK FROM TRYING TO, TO NAIL THAT DOWN AND KIND OF KEPT IT LOOSE.

UM, SO NO, I I WAS NOT ABLE TO HAVE A VERY, A VERY CONCISE WAY TO, UH, TO, TO DO THIS.

BUT THE REPORT DOES HAVE SOME GENERAL, GENERAL FEELINGS FOR THAT.

WELL, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS HELPFUL.

BUT, UM, I WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO DETERMINE IF YOU QUANTIFY IN PLACE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KEEP AUSTIN BEAUTIFUL OR YOU MENTIONED THE ROWING, THE ROWING DOCK, UM, DOING THE FREE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS LIKE A, A STANDING THING, YOU KNOW, LIKE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING, LIKE WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, HAS THAT BEEN QUANTIFIED? UM, SO I THINK THERE WAS A REPORT DONE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

UH, AND I, I CAN, I CAN SEND IT TO THE, THE, UH, COUNCIL, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT HAD, UH, DIFFERENT SISTER CITIES, FORT WORTH AND OTHERS AND HOW MUCH THEY SPEND ON EVERYTHING.

BUT SOME OF THESE COSTS ARE KIND OF HIDDEN IN STAFF EFFORT AND, AND OTHER THINGS.

UM, SO I DIDN'T DO THAT, BUT THERE WAS A REPORT THAT WAS RECENTLY, I SAY RECENT IN THE LAST FIVE, 10 YEARS I THINK THAT DID SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

AND I CAN FORWARD THAT TO Y'ALL.

THANK YOU.

AMY.

HI, AMY SEGEL, ALSO RESOURCE RECOVERY.

I WANTED TO, UH, BRING IN SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE CLEAN CRE CREW.

UH, THEY JUST COMPLETED THEIR FIRST YEAR IN OPERATION, UH, THAT, UH, PROGRAM OFFICIALLY KICKED OFF, UH, ABOUT OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OF 21.

UH, THEY, UH, MANAGED TO COLLECT ABOUT 143 TONS IN THEIR FIRST YEAR.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY AN IMPRESSIVE AMOUNT.

WE DO, UH, ASSIST A LOT WITH ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS.

WE HAD A BIG CLEANUP, UH, OVER JULY, UH, THAT BROUGHT A LOT OF TONNAGE OUT OF THE CREEK, KIND OF AROUND THE CRA FIELD AREA.

SO, UH, THEY ARE ACTIVE AS KEN MENTIONED, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING, UH, DAILY.

SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.

IS THAT STAFF OKAY? PEOPLE? OH, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

THAT WAS GOOD.

NOW IS THAT ACTUALLY, UH, ARR STAFF WHO'S DOING THAT? OR VOLUNTEERS OR, IT'S ALL ARR STAFF.

WE HAVE A STAFF ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN PEOPLE THAT, THAT DO ALL THAT BY HAND AND WITH SOME EQUIPMENT AS WELL.

OKAY.

KABA, WELL, SHE ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE, SIX OR SEVEN PEOPLE, AND, AND WHAT'S THE BUDGET FOR THAT PROJECT OR THAT STAFF? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME THIS EVENING, BUT WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I TACK ONTO THAT, THAT IN THE STUDIES AND THE LITERATURE, WE DID FIND THAT THE MOST EXPENSIVE STRATEGY IS THE EXTRACTION PART.

ONCE IT'S IN THE CREEK, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO GET IT OUT MM-HMM.

.

AND SO OUT OF ALL THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES THAT ARE THERE, ANYTHING IN THAT EXTRACTION CATEGORY IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE.

SO WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA LOOK AT A WATER WHEEL.

WELL, NO, I, I THINK THAT YOU'RE NOT BEING SILLY ABOUT YEAH.

, IT WORKS SOME PLACES JUST NOT FOR US.

AMANDA, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL SET OF REPORTS AND, AND YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.

UM, I WANTED TO ASK A BIT ABOUT SAN MARCUS AND IF YOU COULD TALK A BIT MORE ABOUT THE SINGLE USE PLASTIC, YOU KNOW, BANNING CONTAINERS, BANNING SINGLE USE PLASTIC.

I SAW A NOTE IN THE REPORT THAT SAID THAT THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME, UH, PUSHBACK AT THE STATE LEVEL, BUT SO FAR IN SAN MARCO THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED AND THEY HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR RESTRICTION ON THE PARTICULAR TYPES OF CONTAINERS.

SO COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, UM, AND WHAT YOU MIGHT FORESEE IF WE DID TRY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE IN AUSTIN? YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT FOR ALL OF OUR BODIES OF WATER, BUT FOR SOME, YEAH, SO, UH, MOST OF THEIRS IS OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE A CITY AROUND A RIVER THERE, THEIR JEWEL IS THEIR RIVER AND THAT I BELIEVE THAT THEIR STRATEGY IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED TO THAT.

AND SO THEY, THEY, THEY'RE OUTLAWING SOME, UH, TYPES OF CONTAINERS.

THE, THE LEX CAN PROGRAMS UP NEW BROS AS WELL.

UM, THESE KIND OF BOILS DOWN TO, IN ENFORCEMENT, I THINK IS THE, IS THE MOST DIFFICULT PART OF THAT.

IF YOU HAVE A SMALL, IF YOU HAVE A SMALL CITY IN A SMALL AREA, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO ENFORCE IN, IN, IN A LARGE CITY LIKE OURS.

I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

MM-HMM.

? UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY, UH, THAT IT WON'T WORK.

I, I THINK IT CAN, IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE, UH, A A LOT OF BUY-IN AND A LOT OF POLITICAL, UM, COLLATERAL TO, TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IN TEXAS YOU START TO TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S FREEDOMS. MM-HMM.

, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

BUT YEAH, NO, THEY'RE PROGRAMS I THINK ARE TEMPLATES, THEY'RE MODELS FOR US TO FOLLOW.

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AND, UH, AGAIN, IT'S MORE ABOUT SCALE.

CAN WE DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON OUR SCALE? AND, AND WOULD THAT CAUSE SOME KIND OF POLITICAL, UM, LASHBACK, DO YOU, UH, DID THEY HAVE AN ISSUE OR, OR WERE THEY BEING KIND OF PROACTIVE IN INSTITUTING THEIR, THEIR POLICIES THERE IN SAN MARCO? I, I THINK THEY'VE EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING WE HAVE OVER TIME, WHETHER IT'S INCREASE IN POPULATION OR JUST POPULARITY OF RECREATION, OR THE INCREASING DEPENDENCE AND PERVASIVENESS OF SINGLE USE PLASTICS, BEER CANS AND ALL THIS STUFF.

I THINK THEY STARTED TO REALIZE REALLY QUICKLY THEY'VE GOT CLEAR WATER, THEY CAN SEE IT THAT IT'S ALL IN THEIR CREEKS.

I THINK IT'S, UH, THEY NOTICE THE SAME THING WE DID IN A FIGHT WITH A FINER FOCUS, AND THEY DID BECOME PROACTIVE ABOUT IT.

AND I'M, I ADMIRE WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AND, UH, KIND OF PIONEER THE WAY FOR, FOR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

YEAH, YEAH, DEFINITELY.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT WAS THIS HISTORIC DUMPING, UM, AS ONE OF THE SOURCES YEAH.

THAT YOU IDENTIFIED MM-HMM.

.

UH, SO THIS IS REALLY INTRIGUING TO ME.

SO THESE ARE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, LOCATIONS WHERE MAYBE PREVIOUSLY MATERIALS WERE DUMPED AND THEY EVEN MAY HAVE BEEN PARTIALLY BURIED AND THEN NOW THEY'RE BEING EXPOSED, WASHED AWAY, AND THEN THEY END UP IN, IN THE CREEKS AND, AND IN OUR BODIES OF WATER.

IS THAT GENERALLY LIKE THEY'RE JUST, IT'S BURIED TRASH CLOSE TO THE CREEKS THAT THAT CREATES THIS HISTORIC DUMPING SOURCE? THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND MOST OF IT IS IN THE VERY OLDER PARTS OF TOWN.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS CREEKS MOVE AROUND BACK AND FORTH, THE FLOOD PLAIN ITSELF IS, YOU REALLY CAN'T DO WITH IT MUCH WITH, WITH FARMING OR BUILDING OR HOUSING.

SO A LOT OF TIMES YOU GET A TRACTOR, YOU DIG A BIG PIT, YOU THROW ALL THE TRASH IN THERE, YOU COVER IT, AND YOU FORGET ABOUT IT.

AND OVER TIME AS THAT, AS THE CREEK MOVES, IT STARTS TO UNCOVER SOME OF THAT STUFF.

IN OTHER CASES IT WAS FILL MATERIAL.

SO IN A, LIKE IN THE BOGGY CREEK OR IN THESE OTHER AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE LONG WIDE FLOOD PLAINS, UH, A LOT OF HISTORICALLY PEOPLE WOULD FILL IN THE FLOOD PLAIN TO HAVE USABLE AREA AND THEY WOULD JUST SAY, HEY, LET'S FILL IT WITH TRASH, WHY NOT? AND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THAT STARTS TO BE EXPOSED WHEN THE, WHEN THE CREEK BANKS WIDEN.

YEAH.

IT'S AS GROSS AS IT SEEMS .

WOW.

IS, IS, ARE THERE, UH, SO IS THERE VALUE IN CLEANING THOSE UP AND WHAT WOULD THAT MAYBE BRING IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING MECHANISMS? IT'S NOT QUITE A BROWNFIELD, BUT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, I MEAN, HAVING TRASH IS PART OF YOUR INFIELD IS A LITTLE GROSS.

SO IS ARE THERE WAYS THAT WE COULD LEVERAGE FUNDING TO GET THOSE LIKE REHABILITATED SO THEY'RE NOT DUMPING TRASH OUT INTO OUR CREEKS? I'M SURE.

I'M SURE YOU COULD, BUT I DON'T THINK, UH, BASED ON WHAT I'VE, ON ALL THE OTHER SOURCES THAT I'VE SEEN, THAT IS NOT WHERE I WOULD DIRECT ANY OF THE RESOURCES AT THAT MOST OF THE, THE, THE REALLY OBNOXIOUS STUFF HAS GONE AND IT'S RUSTY AND BACK THEN THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TOO MANY PLASTICS.

SO REALLY YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF, UH, OF BUILDING MATERIALS AND, AND METAL, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL.

BUT THEN THINK OF RIPPING THAT, DRIPPING THE BANK BACK AND MESSING THE FLOOD PLAIN.

NOW YOU'VE OPENED IT CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE MORE VULNERABLE TO EROSION.

THERE'S A LOT OTHER SLEW AND PERMITTING AS, AS, AS BMS TWO AND THEN RESTORATION, THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE FOR A VERY, UH, SMALL AMOUNT OF, UH, TRASH COMPARED TO THE OTHER ISSUES.

SO I WOULDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME ON THAT.

NO.

SO MORE ON THE, THE PLASTICS IS PRIMARILY SHOULD, PRIMARILY OUR FOCUS.

WELL I DO THINK OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE, AGAIN, EXTRACTION, INTERCEPTION AND SOURCE REDUCTION.

BUT WITH, UH, FUNDS TO GET IN THERE AND MOVE AND CLEAN IT OUT, I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT A BETTER, AS A RESOLUTION ON LOCATIONS THAT WILL HELP THE WHOLE CREEK AND, AND NOT JUST KIND OF PUTTING OUT FIRES WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY POP UP.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU AMANDA.

SO I HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER.

GOOD TOO.

SO ANDREW, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS REPORT.

UM, SO GOING BACK TO SOURCE, UM, REDUCTION ON THE WATER STATIONS, UH, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE OF THOSE? AND ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE PLANS TO PUT MORE OR, SO AUSTIN WATER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AUSTIN WATER.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU BUY THESE WATER BOTTLES EVERYWHERE AND DURING A A CRISIS, WATER BOTTLES ARE HANDED OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE AND WE JUST HAVE ALL THESE WATER BOTTLES.

SO WE'D LIKE TO REDUCE THAT.

AND PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN WATER BOTTLES.

WE NEED TO KIND OF MEET THEM HALFWAY AND PROVIDE PLACES WHERE THEY PUT IT UP.

UM, AUSTIN WATER, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I KNOW THEY ARE INCREASING, UH, OVER TIME I WOULD, I WOULD ASK YOU CONTACT.

I DON'T HAVE A GOOD, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHO WOULD BE A GOOD CONTACT FOR AUSTIN WATER ON THEIR PROGRAM? BECAUSE THEY, WE, YEAH, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU A NAME.

UH, THEY COULD TELL YOU THEIR CURRENT NUMBER AND MAYBE THEIR VISION FOR HOW MANY THEY WANT TO OVER TIME, BUT I DUNNO, THAT INFORMATION, WOULD THEY PUT THESE IN PARKS OR WHERE WOULD THEY PUT THEM? I AGAIN, WILL HAVE TO ASK THEM WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THE MOST FOOT TRAFFIC WOULD BE.

I THINK TOURISM, I THINK HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN MANY, IN MANY, UM, IN MANY REPORTS THAT TOURISM PEOPLE COME, THEY DON'T BRING THEIR STUFF, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE USING A LOT OF THESE THINGS.

MAYBE WE SHOULD FOCUS IN ON, UH, HIGH, HIGH FOOT TRAFFIC TOURISMS. OKAY.

ALSO ON THE, UH, THE, UH, VOLUNTEER PARTNERSHIPS LIKE HEB AND WHAT

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HAVE YOU.

AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE BAG BAND ANYMORE, I'M WONDERING IF ANY A AR R STAFF HAS GONE BACK TO SOME OF THESE, UH, BIGGER, UH, BOX STORES AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR COOPERATION AND, AND REMIND THEM HOW MUCH THE CITY HAS PUT MONEY AND ENERGY INTO OUR, THE FAILED BAG COMMISSIONER.

NOT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE BAGS OR THE BAG BAN, BUT THE TEAM IS CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH, UH, MANY OF THE BOX STORES OR, UH, MANUFACTURERS OR PRODUCTS IN THE INDUSTRY IN GENERAL.

UM, IN FACT, I JUST CAME BACK FROM A CONFERENCE WHERE, UH, THE INDUSTRY IS WORKING WITH MANY OF THE LARGE AND, UH, LARGER, UM, MANUFACTURERS TO REDESIGN PACKAGING, UH, AND, AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF EFFORTS.

SO THOSE THINGS ARE GOING ON CONSTANTLY.

OKAY.

AND I'M ALSO WONDERING IS, UM, MAYBE PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN IN THE CITY THAT THIS MOVEMENT THAT WE HAD FOR THE BAG BANDS AND ALSO THE, THE ENERGY AND THE MONEY THAT, THAT THE CITIZENS OF AUSTIN PUT INTO THIS.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S EVER A CHANCE TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC, UM, SOME PR OUT THERE, PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE BAG BAND ANYMORE, BUT HERE'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT.

OR, UH, IT'S BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM US.

UH, PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

YOU THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR ANY OF THAT? SURE.

THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY FOR THAT.

AND THE TEAM IS ALREADY DOING A LOT OF THAT WORK.

WE'RE CONSTANTLY PUTTING OUT MESSAGING, UH, AND LOOKING TO, UH, PARTNER WITH, UH, OTHER AGENCIES WHO ARE ALSO WORKING IN THAT SPACE ALREADY.

UM, WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CONNECT WITH THE VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, GENERATIONS WHERE THERE'S THE, THE GEN XERS OR THE MILLENNIALS AND, AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT DELIVERY METHOD FOR GETTING THAT MESSAGE TO PEOPLE, UM, REGARDLESS OF, YOU KNOW, WHO THEY ARE, WHERE THEY ARE.

UM, SO WE WE'RE CONSTANTLY DOING THAT, THAT THAT WORK IS HAPPENING ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE, USUALLY THROUGH STRATEGIC INITIATIVES.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS A, A VERY LARGE ISSUE AND NOT JUST SPECIFIC TO AUSTIN.

SO ANY SOLUTIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE ON A GRAND SCALE WHERE WE'RE CONSTANTLY REACHING OUT AND UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE WAY STREAM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE NEW, UH, ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE WAY STREAM THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO RECYCLE? SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND, UM, YEAH, I CAN KEEP YOU INFORMED ON ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

WELL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT SOMETIME MAYBE IN THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT TO LET US KNOW SOME THINGS THAT ARE, ARE GOING ON.

AND I KNOW FOR MYSELF, EVERY TIME I GO TO TARGET, UH, WHICH I'M TRYING <