* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] I'M GOING TO CALL THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER FOR DECEMBER 7TH, 2022. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE TIME IS NOW 6:42 PM MY NAME IS SHABA. I'M CHAIR OF THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION. OKAY, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL, ROLL AND ASK THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT TONIGHT TO PLEASE, UH, SIGNIFY THAT YOU ARE HERE. UM, A REMINDER TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE PROMOTING IN, PLEASE, UH, TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, YOUR CAMERA, AND KEEP IT ON AT ALL TIMES SO THAT WE CAN CONTAIN IT FOR. SO LET'S SEE. JUST HOLD. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, GO THERE. THANK YOU. COMMISSION GREEN HERE. COMMISSIONER MUELLER HERE. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER BENIGNO IS NOT HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER STILL SET? OKAY. I THINK YOU'LL MUTE BUTTON SIGN. UH, COMMISSIONER FREIBERGER. YES. AND COMMISSION OF HE'S NOT HERE. AND I HAVE COMMISSIONER FRANCIS AND I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE THE FIRE MARSHAL HERE. CHIEF JEFF KENNEDY. SEE YOU EVERY DEMO. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHECK. OH, GOT ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. OKAY. THE TRAFFIC. IT'S AWFUL. . YEAH, IT'S, I'M SWITCHING SURFACE CHECKS, TIMING AND . YEAH. THANK YOU. IN EVENT, WE'RE ALL RIGHT, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. SO BEFORE THE CASES ARE CALLED, THE COMMISSION WILL ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ON THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES ALLOTTED, UH, OR SIX MINUTES FOR ANYONE REQUIRING INTERPRETATION SERVICES. WE DON'T HAVE, UH, OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION TONIGHT. TONIGHT THE COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT A HEARING FOR FOUR OF THE FIVE CASES THAT ARE ON THE POST AGENDA. THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER FOUR CASES FROM FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. THE CASES WILL BE CONSIDERED IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY APPEAR ON THE AGENDA. HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION MAY TAKE A CASE OUT OF ORDER IF IT IS APPROPRIATE. ALL ATTENDEES AT THE HEARING ARE REQUIRED TO OBSERVE APPROPRIATE DECOR AND, UH, CIVILITY SO AS NOT TO IMPAIR THE COMMISSION'S ABILITY TO CONDUCT, UH, BUSINESS. THE COMMISSION'S COORDINATOR OF THELAN HALL WILL CALL EACH CASE ON THE AGENDA FOLLOWED BY TESTIMONY. OUR SIMPLE STAFF WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WHEN YOUR CASE IS CALLED. THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY MUST COME FORWARD AND TAKE A SEAT, UH, NEAR THE PODIUM, OR IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, MAKE SURE TO UNMUTE YOUR PHONE. THE CITY WILL PRESENT ITS EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES FIRST, AND YOU OR YOUR REPRESENTATIVES MAY THEN ASK THE WITNESSES ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR TESTIMONY. AFTER THE CITY HAS PRESENTED ITS EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO PRESENT YOUR OWN EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES AS WELL. YOU'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE. WHEN THE TIMER INDICATES THAT YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED, WE ASK THAT YOU FINISH YOUR SENTENCE AND CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, AND WILL IS THAT DESIGNATED TIME PAPER FOR TONIGHT? WOULD YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF? YES. DANIEL MURPHY. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND AFTER YOU AND THE CITY HAVE PRESENTED EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES, THE COMMISSION WILL THEN OR MAY THEN ASK QUESTIONS OF EITHER SIDE. AFTER THE COMMISSION MEMBERS ASK QUESTIONS, I WILL ALLOW FOR OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES WHO ARE PRESENT TO OFFER ANY RELEVANT TESTIMONY ABOUT THE CASE. BOTH SIDES AND THE COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES. AFTER ALL THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONIES CONCLUDED, THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE CASE AND VOTE ON A DECISION. THE COMMISSION'S DECISION WILL BE ANNOUNCED TONIGHT AND A COPY OF THAT DECISION MAILED TO YOU. A DECISION OF THE COMMISSION IS FINAL IN BINDING UNLESS APPEALED TO THE DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS AS PROVIDED IN THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCEDURE, PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTIONS [00:05:01] WHEN YOUR CASE IS CALLED, WITNESSES WILL NOW TESTIFY UNDER OATH. ANY PERSON THAT WANTS TO PRESENT TESTIMONY BEFORE THE COMMISSION, IN ANY CASE, INCLUDING THOSE PROMOTING IN, PLEASE STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND SO THAT YOU MAY BE SWORN IN. DO EACH OF YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL BE PROVIDING TONIGHT IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? IF SO, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I DO. I DO. THANK YOU. IF THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER, WE'LL PROCEED TO CONSIDER THE AGENDA ITEMS. OH, [1. Approve the minutes of the Building and Standards Commission regular meeting on October 26, 2022.] ACTUALLY WE NEED TO ADMIT THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING FIRST. OKAY. YES, CHAIR? YES. COME I TO, UM, ADOPT THE, OR APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 26TH PD STANDARDS COMMISSION. THANK YOU. OH, WE HAVE A SECOND ALREADY. PERFECT. DOES ANYBODY OBJECT TO, UM, US APPROVING THOSE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING IN OCTOBER? NO. IS EVERYBODY, UH, IN AGREEMENT TO ADMIT THOSE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER EIGHT MEETING, MEETING? YES. YES. OKAY. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. PUTS A SECOND. THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. ALI. OKAY. AND CHAIR, BEFORE WE BEGIN CALLING THE CASES, I JUST WANNA STATE ON THE RECORD THAT THE FIRST CASE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS, UM, OH WELL, 20 14 0 1 8 8 42, REGARDING TWO THREE LELAND STREET HAS BEEN PULLED BY STAFF AND WILL NOT BE HER. OKAY, THANK YOU. NEXT [3. Case Number: CL 2022-169032] ON THE AGENDA FOR COMMISSIONS CONSIDERATION IS CASE C 20 22 1 6 9 0 32. PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1900 EAST 11TH STREET. THE EXHIBITS GONNA BE FOUND IN THE DARK RED BOOKS IN YOUR READERS OR GOOGLE GRAPH FOLDER. TONIGHT, WE ARE ADDRESSING THE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE READER. HERE ARE FEW FACTS ABOUT THIS CASE. THIS CASE IS ABOUT A VACANT AND BLACK DATE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS ALSO HOMESTEADED. THE CASE WAS INITIALLY OPENED IN OCTOBER, 2018 AND HAS REMAINED IN VIOLATIONS AT THAT TIME, NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED. TODAY, THE DILAPIDATED AND NEGLECTED STRUCTURE CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE, IS CONSIDERED UNSAFE AND REQUIRES DEMOLITION. AND YOUR READERS ARE GOOGLE DRIVE HOLDER. YOU WILL FIND THE FOLLOWING EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH CONTAINS THE COMP COMPLAINT IN CASE HISTORY, A COPY OF THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORD THAT VERIFIES MEMBERSHIP, A STRUCTURE MAP OF THE PROPERTY, A MAP INDICATING THE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST SCHOOL, THE REQUIRED NOTICE OF VIOLATION, NOTES APPEARING AND POSTINGS, AND EXHIBIT TWO, WHICH CONSISTS OF CODES. PHOTOGRAPH MARK AS TWO A TWO L. AND LASTLY, CODES RECOMMENDED ORDER, VOTE. INSPECTOR AARON HALE IS HERE TONIGHT IN THE EXHIBITS AND DISCUSS THE VIOLATIONS AS INSPECTOR HALE. PLEASE BEGIN YOUR TESTIMONY. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER. MY NAME IS AARON HALE. I AM THE CODE OFFICER ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE. THIS MATTER WAS CALLED INTO 3 1 1 ON OCTOBER 19TH, 2018, AND CONCERNS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN 1900 EAST 11. THIS PROPERTY DATES FROM 1912 COMPLAINANT, UH, INDICATED A NUMBER OF STRUCTURAL ABATEMENT ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS A TRANSFERRED CASE, WHICH I ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY OF JUNE, 2020. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST, I'M SORRY, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 11TH STREET OF CHICAGO, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET FROM NOW. OLIVE BAPTIST CHURCH. IT'S NEARLY 60 FEET FROM HOUSTON TILL CITY UNIVERSITY MAIN CAMPUS AND APPROXIMATELY 350 FEET IN BLACK. SHE ELEMENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF SITE INSPECTIONS. I OBSERVED THE FOLLOWING STRUCTURAL ISSUE. THE ROOF OF THE HOME IS DETERIORATED, DANGEROUS, AND DEMONSTRATES AREAS OF COMPLETE FAILURE, WHERE THE UNDERLYING STRUCTURE ENDS OF THE K TO A STATE IN WHICH THE ROOF OF CONTINUITY IS MAINTAINED ONLY BY THE SHINGLES, THE SIDING AND STRUCTURAL SUPPORT ALONG THE WEST EXPOSURE OF THE HOME IS DECAYED, DETERIORATING AND FALLING AWAY. THE DETERIORATION IS SO PROFOUND THAT LARGE ORPHANS OF THE SIDING AND STRUCTURE BECOME WINDLOW AND IS FLYING TO DEBRIS POSE A DANGER TO PASSING PERSONS IN TRAFFIC. LARGE PORTIONS OF THE INTERIOR OF THE ATTIC AND ROOF STRUCTURE ARE VISIBLE AND OPEN FROM CHIPCOM STREET AS WELL. THE PORCH CEILING FLOORING AND STRUCTURAL MEMBERS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOME ARE DETERIORATED AND ROTTING AWAY. THE CEILING ALONG THE FRONT PORCH IS COLLAPSING. PORTIONS ARE FALLING TO THE GROUND MIDDLE. MANY OF EXPOSED WINDOWS IN THE STRUCTURE ARE BROKEN OR MISSING AND HAVE BEEN IN COMPLETELY BOARDED OR NOT BOARDED AT ALL. LOOSE, SHARP, SINGLE PANE GLASS, WHICH HAS BEEN SHATTERED TO PRESENT IN SEVERAL WINDOWS AND ON THE GROUND ADJACENT APPEAR IN CURTAIN SUPPORT [00:10:01] STRUCTURES. THE POWER THE HOME APPEARS TO BE FAILING AND ROTTING AWAY IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS, MOST NOTABLY ALONG THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COMPLETE PENETRATING THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE WHERE BY PERSONS, ANIMAL AND WEATHER CAN IN TRUE. THE REAR DECK IS LIKEWISE FAILING. UNSAFE, PACKED WITH DENSE, ACCUMULATED GARBAGE, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CRASH, RUBBISH AND DEBRIS, AS WELL AS VEHICLES AND COHABITATED BUILDINGS, LITERAL THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. A SECOND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OCCUPIES THIS PARCEL AS WELL. IT IS UNRELATED TO THE HOME, MADE THE BASIS OF THIS CASE. IT IS UNOCCUPIED. HOWEVER, THE NEIGHBORS REPORT ITS OCCASIONAL USE AS AN MAY SHIFT GENERALIST. THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THIS CASE, SEVERAL NOTICES OF VIOLATION HAVE BEEN ISSUED TO THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT. OWNER OF RECORD. MOST RECENT VALID NOTICE OF VIOLATION DATES FROM OCTOBER 11TH OF THIS YEAR, 11. TOTAL VIOLATIONS HAVE UNIDENTIFIED REGARDING THIS PROPERTY. ONLY ONE HAVING BEEN CLEARED SINCE INCEPTION OF THE CASE. THESE VIOLATIONS INCLUDE OVERALL UNSAFE CONDITIONS, DEFICIENT PROTECTIVE TREATMENT, INSTRUC MEMBERS DETERIORATED FOUNDATION WALLS, DETERIORATED EXTERIOR WALLS, DETERIORATED ROOFS AND DRAINAGE, DETERIORATED AND FAILING PORCHES, BATORS FAILING AND DETERIORATING WINDOWS, SKYLIGHT AND DOOR FRAMES, DAMAGED SOUND AND IN FULL REPAIR AND NOT WEATHER TIGHT AND ACCUMULATED TRASH AND RUBBISH THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. I RECENTLY CLEARED ONE VIOLATIONS ON INOPERABLE VEHICLE, PARKED ON THE YARD. IT'S BEEN THE OWNER OF RECORD IN THIS MATTER, AS WELL AS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE STATE FOR THE EAST STATE. HAVING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS PROPERTY HAVE BOTH INDICATED A DESIRE TO RECEIVE THE DEMOLITION AS FAR BACK AS DECEMBER, 2019. THIS PROCESS WAS NEVER FINALIZED. MY CONTACT WITH THE PARTIES HAS ESTABLISHED THE H THE HLC MANDATED A FEE OF APPROXIMATELY $900 AS A PREREQUISITE TO CONDUCTING A HISTORICAL ASSESSMENT STRUCTURE. THIS FEE WAS NEVER PAID AND AS SUCH, THE ASSESSMENT WAS NEVER PROCESSED AND THE DEMOLITION PERMIT DID NOT PROCEED. SOMEONE WAS LAST OCCUPIED IN 2018. NOW, PRESENT PHOTOS WHICH VISUALIZE ISSUES IDENTIFIED IN MY NOTES OF VIOLATION. EXHIBIT TWO A IS TAKEN FROM EAST 11TH STREET, STANDING IN THE STREET. THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. EXHIBIT TWO B IS A CLOSER VIEW. THE PROPERTY, UH, YOU CAN SEE MY POSTED PLACARD INDICATING THE DANGEROUS CONDITIONS ON THE PORCH STRUCTURE. THERE YOU CAN SEE BEHIND MY PLACARD THAT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE ROOF HAS FALLEN IN AND THE PORCH IS PACKED WITH THE DEBRIS. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. IT'S, IT'S VERY DENSE. YOU CAN SEE UNDERNEATH THE HOME, THE CURTAIN HAS FALLEN AWAY, UM, TO THE SIZE WHERE INDIVIDUALS OR ANIMALS TOGETHER. NEXT PHOTO PLEASE. TWO C IS A CLOSEUP OF MY PLACARD, 1900 EAST 11TH. YOU CAN SEE THE FAIL ROOF AND THE NOTICE VIOLATIONS, YOU CAN SEE IS, I'M SORRY, TWO C. THERE YOU CAN SEE THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION POSTED UNDERNEATH THE DOORBELL. UM, AND THEN MY PLACARD THERE AND THE FAILING STRUCTURED TWO. SEE THAT, THAT SLIDE 2D IS TAKEN FROM THE CHICO SIDE YARD INDICATING THE BOTTOM OF THE PORCH STRUCTURE FAILING THESE BOARDS CONTINUE TO FALL PORCH BELOW THE CEILING. HERE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE FROM THIS ANGLE, BUT IT'S BOWED, UM, BETWEEN THE LIGHT AND WHERE I'M STANDING A LOW, AND IT'S IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE SEAT TO ME. HE IS TAKEN FROM, UM, CHICON STREET. I'M STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK OF THE MOUNT HOLY BAPTIST CHURCH. AT THE LEFT, JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE IS THE, UH, EXCEPTION STRUCTURE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN USED AS A HOME AT ONE POINT. IT IS UNOCCUPIED. YOU CAN SEE THE THREE SIDE WINDOWS THERE. TWO OF THEM HAVE NO GLASS. THE FRONT ONE HAS SHATTERED PLATE GLASS, WHICH IS PRESENT IN THE FRAME, AND IT PUT DOWN BELOW, MOST NOTABLY AT THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE YOU SEE IN THE DETERIORATED SIDING WHERE IT'S FALLEN AWAY, IT'S ROTTED. UM, KEEPING IN MIND THAT MOST OF THE STRUCTURE YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN LIKELY RENOVATIONS TO THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT STRUCTURE THERE IS PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF HUNDRED. NEXT PHOTO, PLEASE. UM, TWO F THE STREET SIDE SIDE YARD. UM, THAT'S THE FORWARD WINDOW. THE BE THE SOUTHERNMOST WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S SHATTERED THERE AT SINGLE PANE BLAST. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT AN ORIGINAL WINDOW. UM, THERE IS BROKEN GLASS AND GRASS BELOW. THERE IS NO FENCE, UH, PREVENTING A TREE FROM THE SIDEWALK. UH, DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE COLLEGE, THE CHURCH, AND A COFFEE SHOP DOWN THE STREET. THIS STREET IS HEAVILY TRAVELED BY BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS. [00:15:01] NEXT ONE, PLEASE. TWO G TAKEN FROM THE SIDE YARD. AGAIN, LOOKING UP AT THE, THE HOME, SEE ITS COMPLETE PENETRATION TO P OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, I THINK IT'S VISIBLE THERE THAT THE, THE ROOF STRUCTURE PROBABLY IS ORIGINAL JUST BY LOOKING AT IT. IT'S COMPLETELY ROT DETERIORATED. UM, AND THESE BOARDS THAT FALL HERE, UM, FREQUENTLY AS I'VE PATROLLED THIS AREA, BECOME WINDLOW, WIND UP ON A SIDEWALK, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINDS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY. UH, THEY WIND UP IN THE FIELD ACROSS THE STREET. THEY WIND UP AT THE CHURCH AND THEY WIND UP IN THE INTERSECTION. NEXT PHOTO TWO H, THE PHOTO OF THE ROOF COULD SEE THE BOW AND THE ROOF THERE. I TRIED TO GET THAT. UM, IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY BOGGED. UM, THE UNDERLYING STRUCTURE IS COMPLETELY FALLEN AWAY. AND IT'S MY BELIEF THAT ROOF IS SUPPORTED THERE JUST BY THE MACHINES. WERE THERE TO BE A FIRE OR A WIND EVENT. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE ROOF SAFELY IN ANY WAY. UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT HAPPENED IF THIS TRUCK WOULD CATCH FIRE. NEXT PHOTO PIECE TO I IS THE NORTHERN MOTION WINDOW ON THE WEST EXPOSURE OF THE HOUSE. UH, THE ONLY PORTION OF BLAZING THAT REMAINS IS JUST THAT SMALL LIP ABOVE THE REFLECTIVE SHEETING. UM, THE REST OF THE WINDOW IS GONE. IT'S MISSING SPECIFIC. UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY ACCESSIBLE, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE EASY ENOUGH TO SCALE THAT WOOD SHEETING THERE AND EVEN THROUGH THAT OPENING AREA UNDERNEATH THE PLANTS. NEXT PHOTO TWO J IS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE STANDING BETWEEN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PORCH, IT'S COMPLETELY PACKED AND I BELIEVE PROBABLY OVERLOADED. IT IS BOEING, UM, FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. IT'S BOEING. AS, AS YOU GET OUT FROM IT. IT'S FAILING. IT'S COMPLETELY PACKED WITH RUBBISH. I BELIEVE THERE'S A DOOR BACK THERE SOMEWHERE. UM, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY OBSCURE OR OBSTRUCTED. YOU CAN SEE THE FOUNDATION, NOT THE FOUNDATION, BUT THE, THE MUD SEAL AT THE BOTTOM THERE, UH, IS BROUGHT IT DETERIORATED AGAIN, PROBABLY ALLY FROM UNDER YOUR, SO NEXT PHOTO PLEASE. TWO K. UM, SAME SPOT. LOOKING DOWN. ACCESS IS THE UNDERNEATH OF THE HOUSE. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING, BUT I SUSPECT THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE IS ACCESSIBLE FROM, UH, UNDERNEATH THE, UNDERNEATH THE STRUCTURE HERE. THAT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR A PERSON, OBVIOUSLY ANIMALS TO GET THROUGH. TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE INDICATED THEIR CONCERN HAVE RODENTS, UH, BUGS, OTHER INFESTATION. THE NEXT RUNNING TO COMMUNICATE THAT WITH ME. SHE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. NEXT ONE, IF THERE IS ONE, TWO L. THAT'S THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THAT'S THE, UM, JUST DEMONSTRATING THERE ARE TWO SHEDS BACK THERE. PORTABLE SHEDS, COOLER, UM, A GREAT DEAL OF ACCUMULATED TRASH AND DEBRIS. THERE'S ALSO TWO VEHICLES BACK THERE. UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD THEY BELONG TO THE OWNERS OR OWNERS REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS PROPERTY. UH, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE UNABLE TO GRAB NEXT PHOTO, PLEASE. AND THAT CONCLUDES, UH, MY PRESENTATION WITH THE PHOTOS. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY CAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS. AND THOSE DESCRIBED IN THE FINDINGS OF FACT, CO OFFICIAL FOUND THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS A PUBLIC AND AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE AND IS CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD OF DANGEROUS CONDITIONS. STAFF ASKED SUBMISSION TO ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH INCLUDES STAFF PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT IN CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND OTHER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO L. STAFF ALSO REQUESTED THE PERMISSION ADOPT A PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW IN ORDER THE FOLLOWING. ONE, REQUIRED OWNER COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING WITHIN 45 DAYS FROM THE DATE THE ORDER IS MAILED. A OBTAINED, FINALIZED, ALL NECESSARY PERMITS. B DEMOLISH ALL PORTIONS OF THE FRONT PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND REMOVES DEBRIS LEAVING THE LOT CLEAN AND RAED AND C REQUEST INSPECTIONS FROM OFTEN CODE BY COMPLIANCE ON THE 46TH DAY COMPLIANCE HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED. A AUTHORIZED CODE OFFICIAL TO PROCEED DEMOLITION AND CONSIDER ALL PORTIONS OF THE FRONT PRIMARY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING ANY ITEMS IN AND AROUND THE STRUCTURE. AS DEBRIS AND DISPOSE OF SUCH BEING, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL BE ON NOTICE THAT THE CODE OFFICIAL IS AUTHORIZED TO ASSESS ALL EXPENSES INCURRED AGAINST THE PROPERTY, PLUS EXEMPTED BY THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. A LIEN FOR THOSE EXPENSES CAN'T MAY BE FOLLOWED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND REPORTED WITH THE TRAVIS COUNTY RECORDS. AND HER SHALL APPROVE AT A RATE OF 10% PER YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT UNTIL MADE IN FULL COMMISSION. THANK YOU. [00:20:01] UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT, UH, LABELED EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO L. UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE MR. HAYWOOD HERE TONIGHT, UH, REPRESENTING THE OWNERS. YES, IT'S MY DAD'S PROPERTY. OKAY, SO BASICALLY THE PROPERTY WAS THERE 2018. HE WAS OLDER, HIS WIFE PASSED AWAY. DO YOU MIND PROJECTING A LITTLE BIT SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN, UNTIL HIS WIFE PASSED AWAY AND HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH DEMENTIA. ALL RIGHT. SO AT THAT POINT I HAD TO, I HAD ALREADY TELL HIM MANY YEARS THIS PROPERTY IS GONE. SO YOU I FINALLY GOT A OUT OF PROPERTY AND ABLE TO PUT IT IN A TRUCK TO WHERE I STORE WHERE I STORE IN OCTOBER, 2020. I FILE, I DID FILE GET, UH, MOCKED. YOU HAD TO GO TO THE HISTORICAL LANGUAGE. I HAD NO CLUE THAT IT WAS WHY THAT WAS, I WAS ADVISED TO GIVE AN ATTORNEY BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT IF THEY DECLARED IT AN HISTORICAL LAND BLEND AND I HAVE TO DEAL WITH A WHOLE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, OF COURSE, TRYING TO OBTAIN THE ATTORNEYS FOR THIS TYPE OF CASE IS VERY EXPENSIVE. SO I DID THE RESEARCH MYSELF. UH, IN MY OPINION, IT IS NOT A HISTORICAL LENDING. I WANT THE PROPERTY DOWN. I WANTED DEMOL. OKAY. JUST LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, I WENT TO, I DIDN'T PAY THE THOUSAND BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT OKAY, EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. UH, THAT IN WAS TOLD THERE NO MEETINGS LIKE THIS ONLY MEETING BE ASSUMED OR, AND SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT. I DIDN'T WANT TO ZOOM MEETING TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE AND MOVE IN HOW WORKS FORS. SO, AND I'M NOT GONNA LOCK ME IN THAT PROCESS. UH, DAD'S SITUATION, TAKING CARE OF HIM, HE JUST KIND OF GOT PUSHED BACK ON. HE KIND OF GOT PUSHED BACK FURTHER. UH, SO NOW WHAT'S ON ME COMPLETELY. SO I WANT TO DO THE MOM TIME, THE 500. I PAID HIM FOR THE PERFECT AMOUNT. WELL, IT'S GONE. HE TOLD ME I HAD TO START OVER. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AT THIS POINT. I TALKED TO MR. RICE, GENTLEMAN AT THE HISTORICAL, I GOTTA START OVER. OKAY. WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING TONIGHT AND, UM, TELLING US, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE TRIED IN THE PAST. I DO SEE IN THE NOTES THAT YOU DIDN'T PUT IN A PERMIT, UH, IN 2020. UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. COMMISSIONER FRYBERGER? I DO. YES. UM, THANK YOU MR. HAYWARD. HAYWARD. HAYWARD. HAYWARD, THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SEE US TONIGHT. SO, I GUESS IF, IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED ORDER, WHICH IS TO BASICALLY ORDER THE CITY TO PROCEED WITH DEMOLITION, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT OR ARE YOU WELL, I, I'M SORRY. I WAS PREPARED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING PAID TO GET IT DONE. CAUSE I'M PROBABLY COST MORPHINE. YOU ARE, AGAIN, IT'S NOT YOUR JOB, BUT WE, WE PERSONALLY WOULDN'T BE DOING IT THAT YOU, THE TRAINING SERVER IS SOMEONE I, SO NOW IT'S A QUESTION OF ME START UNLOADING AND GETTING, GETTING THE PROCESS DONE. I, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH EVERYTHING. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE HISTORICAL LAND CONDITION. I'M GETTING RID OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND I KNOW THE HISTORY BETTER THAN ANYBODY. WHEN I WAS BORN, I WAS BROUGHT TO THE HOUSE. I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN IT WAS BUILT. EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW WHO LIVES WHERE. I KNOW IT IS NOT HISTORICAL. IT HAS BEEN RENOVATED MANY TIMES. THE BUILT INSTRUCTOR ON THE OUTSIDE, YEAH, THEY FOUND IT WAS A RESTAURANT MANY YEARS. MY GRANDMOTHER, SOUTHERN DINETTE LEFT THERE AND OPENED HER OWN HERE. EVERYBODY IN MY FAMILY. SO YES, I WANT IT DOWN. CAUSE IT, IT'S BACK. IT'S JUST THAT, THAT THOUSAND, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH TO PEOPLE, WHY AM I GIVING EM A THOUSAND DOLLARS? AND I KNOW THIS BUILDING CANNOT SAVED. SO I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR HEARTBURN OVER THAT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS GOING FOR REVIEW WITH A HISTORIC LAND COMMISSION IS NOT A CHOICE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE. UM, IT'S ALSO UNFORTUNATE WE AS A COMMISSION CAN'T ADDRESS THAT AT ALL. THAT'S A SEPARATE CITY PROCESS. UM, BUT I DID WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IF WE ARE TO DO THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION ORDER, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS 45 DAYS, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS IT GENERALLY TAKES THE CITY A FEW MONTHS, IF NOT SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE THEY START THE PROCESS OF ACTUAL DEMOLITION. AND IF YOU WERE MEANWHILE TO SECURE [00:25:01] THE PERMIT AND TO PROCEED WITH THE DEMOLITION YOURSELF, THAT THAT IS STILL AN OPTION. OKAY. IF I SECURE YOUR PERMIT AND GET EVERYTHING SET UP, I DO UNDERSTAND THE PERMIT GAVE IT TO YEARS. OF COURSE, I'M NOT WAITING TO USE, SO BASICALLY I HAVE 45 DAYS TO BRING IT DOWN, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, ACTUALLY WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS EVEN IF THE ORDER IS FOR 45 DAYS, AND WE MAY MODIFY THAT AS A COMMISSION, I, I DON'T KNOW YET. I, I'VE IDENTIFY FOR THE PERMIT AS EARLY AS JANUARY 1ST. SO RUNNING, I'LL DEAL WITH THE HISTORICAL LANGUAGE. HOPEFULLY THEY'LL SEE THINGS, LIKE I SAID. AND THAT BUILDING WILL BE DOWN THIS YEAR. IT WILL BE DOWN COMING NEXT YEAR. CAUSE I DON'T WANT THEIR, I JUST STARTED A NEW BUSINESS, TAKE THE OUTSIDE STRUCTURE, THAT WAS MY GRANDMOTHER'S RESTAURANT AND REDO IT AND I WILL RUN MY BUSINESS THERE AND CLEAR UP THE WHOLE RUN. TWO VEHICLES IN THE BACK, THE WHITE TRUCK RUNS. IT'S FOR MY DAD. HE BUILT IT TO MY SON. HE'S GONNA TAKE IT AND TAKE IT TO DALLAS LU CAR WAS HIS EX-WIFE THAT PASSED AWAY. I'M GONNA SELL IT, GET RID OF MY 20 AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN BRING THE TREES DOWN AND EVERYTHING AND CLEAR OFF THE LOT EXCEPT JUST THAT, THAT'S MY PLAN. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION, COMMENTS? OH, GO AHEAD. SO I HAVE A CLEAR, YOUR INTENTION IS TO TAKE IT DOWN, I THINK WHAT COMMISS SAY, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO MODIFY THAT AND GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD SO THAT YOU CAN GET THAT DONE FOR THE CITY FALLS TRIGGER TO GET IT DONE FROM CITY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CITY THEY HAVE TO DO IT. IT, SO I'M GONNA EXPEDITE IT OUTSIDE TO GET IT GO. SO IF I GET THE PERMITS AND EVERYTHING, HOPEFULLY BY FEBRUARY THE STORE, MICHELLE, THE PHONE THEY TAKE SOON AS I GET THE PERMIT. AND IF EVERYTHING APPROVED, I'LL THEY PAY THE MONEY HAVE BROUGHT, IT'S A LOT OF TORICAL STUFF IN AT HOME, BUT I WON'T WALK ANY PERSONALLY. IT IS BAD. BUT I DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO IN THERE TO GET SOME OF THE EMPTY THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE. SO FAMILY MEMBERS THAT KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE. BUT YEAH, THAT HOUSE. SO I'M BE, THANK YOU. OH, I, A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, CHIEF KENNEDY. UH, CHIEF KENNEDY AT THE STRUCTURE CAUGHT ON FIRE AT A HIGH LEVEL. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT, UH, THE APPROACH WOULD TAKE TO, UH, ADDRESS IT? CAN YOU REPEAT THE, UH, LAST PART OF THAT QUESTION PLEASE? UM, YES. IF THIS STRUCTURE, UM, CAUGHT FIRE AND, AND YOUR FOLKS RESPONDED TO IT, WHAT, AT A HIGH LEVEL, WHAT WOULD, UM, UH, YOUR APPROACH BE TO, UH, CON, CONTAIN OR ADDRESS? WELL, FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE PICTURES THAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, FIRST IT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD BE PRESENTED WITH. UM, AND THAT WOULD, THAT COULD BE A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IF IT WAS ON FIRE, UM, WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE WORKING FROM AN OFFENSIVE POINT TO TRY AND, UH, STOP IT AT ITS AT ITS POINT OF INCEPTION. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE A A, A SMALL NUMBER OF CREWS, WHICH WOULD YOU CALL A FIRST ALARM. DOES THAT SUFFICE AS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? WELL, I WAS WONDERING, I MEAN, WOULD THIS BE, UH, A STRUCTURE TO CONSIDER ENTERING THE STRUCTURE TO CONSIDER, UH, ADDRESSING, UH, AN ISSUE, UH, THAT WAS DEEP INSIDE THE, THE STRUCTURE? WELL, IF WE KNEW THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS ABANDONED, WE, WE WOULD NOT GO INSIDE AND LOOKING AT IT FROM, UM, THE, THE ON THE PHOTOS. THAT WOULD BE AN ASSESSMENT MADE AT THE TIME BY THE, UH, BATTALION CHIEF OR THE INCIDENT COMMANDER. BUT FROM WHAT WE WOULD KNOW NOW, UH, GOING INTO THAT STRUCTURE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE, UH, SOME PRECAUTIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT AT THE TIME. DEFINITELY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PROPOSAL TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PART OF THE, THE HEARING OR DO WE STILL WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS? SO THE CODE INSPECTOR OR MOVE I'LL SECONDLY. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, IS EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF US CLOSING THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT PART'S CLOSE, SO THANK YOU MR. HAYWOOD. OKAY, WE'LL I TRY TO HOW DOES THAT HIP SURGERY WE CAN HAVE OH, TAKE YOUR TIME. TAKE YOUR TIME. YEAH, SO IT'S ALL RIGHT. UM, SO, WELL MY THOUGHTS, SO ARE SEEMS [00:30:01] LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S JUST MORE FIGURING OUT THE LOGISTICS OR THE METHOD BY WHICH WE COULD PUT AN ORDER IN PLACE WHILE STILL GIVING THE, UM, HOMEOWNERS A CHANCE TO GET TO IT FIRST. I'M NOT SURE I'VE HEARD A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'LL STILL TAKE MONTHS JUST FOR THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING IS FROM 1912 AND THE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC OR NON HISTORIC PART OF IT HAS TO BE RESOLVED FIRST. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THAT. SO THOSE ARE THE THOUGHTS, BUT I THINK MAYBE WE NEED MORE THAN 45 DAYS. UM, YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE STOP WHEN THE HISTORIC COMMISSION REVIEW STARTS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ORDER, I THINK IF THE ORDER IS BINDING AS AS WRITTEN, SO UNLESS IT'S APPEALED, THEN WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE FLU. OKAY. THEN THE HISTORIC SOCIETY DECIDE ARE GONNA TAKE A YEAR. DO WE KNOCK IT DOWN ANYWAY? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE ORDER OF EVENTS HERE? LEGAL, OR, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. YES. UH, ROBERT MOORE, DIVISION MANAGER, AUSTIN CODE, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT THE SAME, I MEAN, WE, WE GO, WE GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC QUESTION TOO. SO WE, WE CAN'T JUST GO PAST THE . WELL, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THOSE, BUT WE SAY SET THE ORDER AS IS, I THINK IT'S 45 DAYS AND WE START THE CLOCK AND THAT PUTS US END OF JANUARY AND HISTORIC QUESTION, OH, NO, NO, NO, WE'RE GONNA BOTH UP ONE SIDE OF A AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY TAKE US SIX MONTHS TO YEAR. WHAT HAPPENS THEN? OH, TO PUT IT ON THEIR AGENDA, THEY DECIDE, THEY DECIDED AT THE END OF JANUARY THAT THEY WANNA PUT IT ON THEIR AGENDA LIKE SIX MONTHS LATER AND THEY'RE GONNA WORK THROUGH IT OVER SIX MONTHS. I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME THING. SO YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT. YES. AND I THINK THAT THE QUESTION YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THE FACT THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME EXPENSES THAT MIGHT ACCUMULATE FOR ACCRUE IN THE MEANTIME. WELL, THAT'S PART OF IT. AND THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, IS OUR 45 DAYS, REALLY 45 DAYS IF WE'RE GOT THE HISTORIC COMMISSION SOCIETY. RIGHT. AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT 45, I DIDN'T, I GUESS I MISSED, UH, DOES HE WANNA KNOCK THIS DOWN TOMORROW? IS HE ABLE TO DO THAT? OH, YEAH. NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THE GOAL WAS 23. WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM EXTENDING IT OUT, BUT I WAS THINKING THAT DOES THIS GO FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS? HISTORIC COMMISSION STOPS THE CLOCK. OH, I, GOOD QUESTION. AND YOU GOT DEBRIS FLYING AROUND SCHOOL AT CHURCH, QUESTIONABLE HOW YOU WOULD RESPOND TO THE CASE WITH FIRE. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET EVERYBODY TO AGREE THAT WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS AS AS POSSIBLE. BUT OF COURSE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE, THE, THE TRIGGER HITS WITH THE HISTORIC. THAT'S, THAT'S AN ONGOING, RIGHT? LIKE IN NO WAY. NOW, UM, WHY DOES THE HISTORIC COMMISSION HAVE SUPREMACY OVER DESCRIPTION? OKAY, , I HAVE, DO WE WANNA HEAR FROM COUNCIL FIRST AND THEN FROM MS. ALL AND THEN FROM COMMISSIONER, UM, MUELLER PENMAN FROM COMMISSIONS, UM, MADAM CHAIR, UH, LAUREN, OR A CITY ATTORNEY. I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A POINT OF ORDER, UM, THAT EVERYONE SHOULD WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE THEY SPEAK. I KNOW OUR SETTING SEEMS MORE INFORM, UM, CAUSE WE'RE ALL JAMPACKED, BUT WE STILL NEED TO BE WAITING. THAT WAY THE RECORD IS CLEAR, UM, IF ANYTHING DOES GET BILLED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IN THAT CASE, UM, COMMISSION AGREE. HAVE YOU FINISHED? UM, NO, I'D LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, UH, ATTORNEY, UH, UH, CO CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE, WHAT THE PRECEDENT IS WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION? I MEAN, WHERE DO THEY FIT INTO THIS, UM, COMMISSIONER? SO IF THE, UH, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO GO THROUGH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, I, UM, HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, THE CITY DOES THIS WELL. SO, UM, AS VISION MANAGER MOORE SAID, IF, UH, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING THROUGH THE HISTORIC MISSION, THE CITY'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH IT WHILE HE'S WAITING. THE CITY WOULD THEN HAVE A LATER START. UM, SO IF, IF THAT COMMISSION IS CAUSING A HOLD UP FOR THE PROPERTY NUMBER, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE CAUSING THE SAME HOLD UP FOR THE CITY. AND SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. IT'S JUST THAT THE COMMISSION COULD KIND OF PULL UP THE PROPERTY OWNER AT CITY DEMOLISHED IN THE MEANTIME. AND I, I DON'T FORESEE THAT HAPPENING BECAUSE THE CITY HAS TO GO TO BE THE SAME PROCESS. [00:35:01] THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. SO IF THE LANDOWNER GOES THROUGH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION PROCESS AND THEY COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S TO BE DEMOLISHED, AND THEN IT'S ALREADY BEEN, SAY THREE MONTHS INSTEAD OF 45 DAYS, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? SO THE, UM, SO, UH, YEAH, I CAN TAKE, SO WE'RE GONNA BE MONITORING THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE AUTONOMY TO START THE DEMOLITION, WHATEVER WE WANT. THERE'S, EVEN THOUGH THE ORDER EXPIRES IN 45 DAYS ON THE FOUR, SIX DAY, WE'RE NOT DOWN THERE FILING PAPERWORK AND GETTING IT GOING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE'RE GONNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PROPERTY AND IF THERE'S PROGRESS, WE'RE NOT GONNA JUMP IN. WE'RE GONNA LET HIM CONTINUE TO DEMOLISH THIS THING. NOW NOTHING HAPPENS FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN YEAH, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE LIKE, RIGHT, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GET THIS GOING, KIND OF THING. BUT IF THERE'S SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS AND WE SEE THE STEPS HAPPENING BEFORE OUR EYES AND WE'RE DOCUMENTED, WHICH WE DO, WE MONITOR THE CASE EVERY 30 DAYS, UM, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LET IT HAPPEN. I, I GUESS MY, MY STILL MY CONCERN IS, IS THE HISTORIC LANDMARK, LANDMARK COMMISSION CAN GO AHEAD AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THIS PROPERTY. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT UNTIL WE CAN MAKE IT TO THE DECLARATION, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S HISTORIC. HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW LONG THAT TAKES? I'VE SEEN IN THE PAPER, SO EXTRAORDINARY. RIGHT. I MEAN, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT SOME PRESSURE ON 'EM TO LET 'EM KNOW THAT THIS IS DANGEROUS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU LOOK AT IT SOONER LATER, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU REALLY TAKE THAT SERIOUS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SO I HAVE, UM, MS. ALI, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON, I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT THAT THIS IS THE DEMOLITIONS OF YOUR NO PENALTIES INVOLVED. IT'S ALSO HOMESTEADED, SO WE WOULDN'T EVEN COLLECT, IT'S STILL HOMESTEADED AT THE TIME THAT WE PROFOUND DEMOLITION AND STILL WOULD NOT BE, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE PA COLLECT TOO. INTERESTING. OKAY. UM, I HAVE MUELLER. YEAH, SO I THINK WE CAN EXTEND TO 90 DAYS, RIGHT? THAT'S THE MAXIMUM WE CAN DO, UM, WITHOUT REQUIRING OTHER INFORMATION. UM, SO JUST BEFORE PROPOSING THAT, I JUST WANTED TO SEE BASED ON THE PICTURES, IF, IF WE DID THAT, IF WE SAID WE ADOPT THE ORDER ABOUT THE EXTENT THE TIME HEARING OR ANYTHING THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE DONE TO SECURE THE PROPERTY. IN THE MEANTIME, WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GONNA BE JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU LOOK ON THE PORCH OR UNDER THE HOUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. DID YOU WANT TO ASK THAT TO THE FIRE MARSHAL TO YES. OKAY. CHIEF KENNEDY? YES, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UP PROBABLY. YOU'VE ONLY GOT TWO SPEAKERS. OH, OKAY. SO, UM, CHIEF KENNEDY, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM UHHUH. OKAY. SO THE QUESTION WAS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK, UM, IN, IN THE TIME WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WAITING FOR THE APPROVALS AND EVERYTHING, SO DEMOLITION CAN HAPPEN, DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, UM, SECURE THE PROPERTY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T IN DANGER BY IT? I CANNOT SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THAT, UH, BECAUSE, UM, I'M HERE IN CHIEF VOKI, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT HAS BEEN A PRACTICE IN THE PAST. UH, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE CHIEF VOKI GET BACK WITH YOU ON FOR, UH, CONFIRMATION ON HOW THAT'S DONE AND WHEN IT'S DONE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. REAL QUICK, AUSTIN FIRE WOULDN'T SECURE IT. IT WOULD BE US, IT WOULD BE THE AUSTIN CODE CAR. OH. AND IF WE THOUGHT IT WAS OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE, WE'VE ALREADY BOARDED IT SECURED, BUT IT WASN'T OPEN ACCESSIBLE, SO WE DIDN'T DO THAT. OKAY. DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION? YES. SO IN THAT CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RECOMMENDED ORDER THAT EXTEND THE TIME PERIOD TO 90 DAYS FROM THE DATE IS MAILED. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, I BELIEVE, UM, COMMISSION ELLI, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING EARLIER? I DID. BASICALLY, I WANTED TO BUILD ON, WHEN MR. MOORE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, THE PROPERTY IS, IS DANGEROUS. WHY DOES THE HISTORIC COMMISSION HAVE SUPREMACY OVER THIS COMMISSION? I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE SUPREMACY, BUT THEY DEFINITELY HAVE SOME POOL ON PROTECTING PROPERTIES THAT DO HAVE SOME SIGNIFIC HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. UH, I SAID RIGHT. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES WITH THEM AS WELL AND WE'RE TRYING TO [00:40:01] GET SOME, YOU KNOW, RULINGS ON THOSE, YOU KNOW, AS WELL. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THIS IS REALLY DANGEROUS, THEN I, I THINK WE CAN GET IT DEMOED. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET, IT'S GONNA GET CAUGHT UP AND IF NOT, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO STAKE OVER THE CASE CAUSE THAT'S ALL KIND OF ON THEM. RIGHT. BUT, UH, NO, I THINK, I THINK IT'LL GET DEMOLISHED IF THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING. I THINK IF WE HAVE A PRETTY STRONG ORDER THAT WE CAN THEN, THAT HE CAN THEN TAKE IT TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND HE SAYS HE HAS TO DO SOMETHING AND HE HAS THE CODE DEPARTMENT SUPPORTING HIM, THEY MIGHT CLICKER. YEAH. OKAY. I COULD SEE THAT. YES. EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS THAT. UM, YES. COMMISSIONER PRESS, I'LL SAY IT. OH, OKAY. GREAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DID EVERYBODY HEAR THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE, UH, BY COMMISSIONER MUELLER? YES. YES. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FRANCIS. UM, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMPETING MOTIONS OR FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS, WELL WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, UH, VOTE ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED ORDER AND EXTEND THE TIME TO 90 DAY. EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST, UH, GO IN ORDER, RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MUELLER. OKAY. COURSE COMMISSIONER FRANCIS, I, UH, COMMISSIONER BERGER, I USE FAVOR. AYE. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. AYE COMMISSIONER. HELLO. AND I'M ALSO IN FAVOR. AYE. OKAY. UM, AND COMMISSIONER STILL STA AYE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? EXCELLENT. YES, WE HEARD YOU. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE, UH, AN APPROVED, UH, ORDER THERE. SO MR. HAYWOOD, YOU'LL BE GETTING A COPY OF THE ORDER MAIL TO YOU, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THOSE TO STAFF. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S GOOD. WE'LL GO ON AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AND THE AGENDA [4. Case Number: CL 2022-167323] NEXT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION IS CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 67 3 23. THE ADDRESS FOR THIS CASE IS 1512 EAST SIXTH STREET. THE EXHIBITS CAN BE FOUND IN THE PURPLE WITHIN YOUR READERS OR GROUPS FOR HOLDER. HERE ARE A FEW FACTS ABOUT THIS CASE. THIS CASE IS ABOUT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITH TWO IDENTIFIABLE STRUCTURES. HOWEVER, TONIGHT WE ARE ONLY ADDRESSING THE REAR DUPLEX STRUCTURE. THE CASE WAS INITIALLY OPENED IN MAY, 2021 AND HAS REMAINED IN VIOLATION SINCE THAT TIME. AN NEGLECTED, VACANT, AND DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE IS ALIGHT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS A PUBLIC AND ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE, AND IT'S LOCATED IN A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. THIS STRUCTURE IS CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD WITH UNSAFE CONDITIONS AND REQUIRES DEMOLITION IN YOUR READERS ARE GOOGLE BY FOLDERS. YOU WILL FIND THE FOLLOWING EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH CONTAINS THE COMPLAINING CASE HISTORY, A COPY OF BLUE PRIVACY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORD THAT VERIFIES OWNERSHIP, A STRUCTURAL MAP OF THE PROPERTY, THE REQUIRED NOTICES OF VIOLATION, HEARING AND POSTINGS, AND EXHIBIT TWO, WHICH CONSISTS OF POSTS, PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS TWO A, THE TWO P AND LASTLY, CODES RECOMMENDED ORDER. AUSTIN CODE INVESTIGATOR WILL ADAMS IS HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THEM THE EXHIBIT PHOTOS AND DISCUSS THE VIOLATIONS AS INVESTIGATOR ADAMS. PLEASE BEGIN YOUR TESTIMONY. UH, THANK YOU MELANIE. UH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. UH, AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME IS WILLIS ADAMS. I AM THE COLD OFFICER ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE. UH, THE CASE WAS CALLED INTO THE THREE ONE CALL CENTER, UH, IN MAY OF 2021, UH, MAY 28TH, 2021 TO BE EXACT. UM, I CONDUCTED MY INSPECTION ON JUNE 1ST, 2021. I ARRIVED AT THE LOCATION AND OBSERVED TWO STRUCTURES FRONT. UH, THERE'S THE ACTUAL ACTIVE PEARL BAR AND GRILL. UH, THE COMPLAINT WAS ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT CALLED IN ABOUT THE REAR STRUCTURE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, UH, VISIBLE MOREAL STREET. UH, SOMETIMES IT HAD THE ADDRESS THAT DON HAS 6 0 2 KAMAL. THIS STRUCTURE, I NOTICE HAD A DILAPIDATED FRONT STAIRWAY, UH, RAILINGS AND A A EIGHT RAMP THAT WAS ALSO DAMAGED. UH, NO TRESPASSING SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE STRUCTURE. BOTH MY OBSERVATIONS WERE FROM THE ALLEY AS WELL AS FROM THE SIDEWALK. THERE WERE SOFTEN DAMAGE. UM, THERE WAS FURNACE NESTING IN THE SOFTEN. THE AREAS OF THE SOFTEN THERE WAS DAMAGED. UH, THERE WERE MISSING BOARDS, SOME DOORS AND WINDOWS WERE VOIDED. UH, THE PROPERTY WAS SECURE. [00:45:01] I DID NOT OBSERVE AN ELECTRIC METER, THE WATER METER ON SITE AS WELL. UH, SENT NOTICE OF VIOLATION JUNE 3RD, 2021 AND POSTED IT IN JULY OF 2021. A SUBSEQUENT SUBSEQUENT NOTICE WAS ALSO MAILED FILE ON MAY 11TH, 2022 AND MAY 19TH WAS POSTED ON, UH, WAS POSTED ON MAY 19TH THROUGH 2022 FOR THE SAME STRUCTURAL ISSUES AND VIOLATIONS AT THIS SITE. UM, I'LL NOW, UH, SHOW THE PHOTOGRAPHS. THE EXHIBITS, UH, STARTING OUT TWO A. THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, PHOTOGRAPHED SHOT FROM THE SIDEWALK WALL INDICATING, UH, PER THE BAR PARKING LOT AS THE STRUCTURE TO THE LEFT AS TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE AT THE RESTAURANT BAR. UH, SECOND EXHIBIT, PLEASE. UH, THIS IS A SIGN IN THE PARKING UPON THE BUILDING THAT, UH, IN QUESTION BUILDING NUMBER TWO, UH, WHICH ON TCAD SHOWS IT SHOWED IT AS A DUPLEX. ALSO, AT ONE TIME, BACK IN 2007, WE ACTUALLY HAD A SIGN OUT FOR, UH, BUILDING, BEING USED AS A CHURCH, A SOLID ROCK BAPTIST CHURCH. I, IT'S CALLED, UH, NEXT EXHIBIT, PLEASE. THIS IS THE PHOTOGRAPH SECTION, PHOTOGRAPH DAY, UNIVERS DAY. I FIRST ARRIVED AT THE LOCATION. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE STAIRS WERE DAMAGED, THE RAILINGS ARE DAMAGED. THE RAMP, A RAMP, UH, HAS NO RAILING A PART OF IT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS RAILING IT, A RAMP OR I WOULD EVEN, UH, ATTEMPT TO THE FLOOR UP ON IT WAS PRETTY DANGEROUS. THE FRONT DOOR, UM, SECURE AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT WOOD ROCK ALL AROUND THE STRUCTURE. NEXT LINE, PLEASE. TWO D. THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CRAWL SPACE, UH, IS OPEN, ACCESSIBLE TO BONES. UM, I DOUBT THE HOMELESS PERSON TRIED ANOTHER NOWADAYS. CAN'T BE TOO SURE ABOUT THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, TO THE LENGTH OF THE WINDOW. AIR CONDITIONING, THE ELECTRIC METER, UH, IS NOT, UH, HAS BEEN PULLED, SO IT HAS NO ELECTRICITY, AT LEAST AT THAT TIME. MIDLINE, UH, THIS IS FROM THE REAR. THE STRUCTURE, UH, ONE OF THE WINDOWS IS BOARDED. THERE'S SOME TRASH DEBRIS HERE. UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE BOARDING, THE WOOD, THE, THE EXTERIOR BOARDS, ROTTING PAIN CHI, UH, THERE PROBABLY BEEN SOME GRAFFITI THERE. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE DISCOLORATION OF REAR OF THE PROBLEM. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS, UH, THIS SECTION, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND YOU CAN SEE THE FOOT RODS, THE SOFT DAMAGE CRAWL SPACE. UH, S SKIRTING HAS BEEN REMOVED. SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE THERE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, THIS IS THE FRONT. UH, THIS PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN, UH, JUST LAST MONTH, UH, NOVEMBER 14TH. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE STAIRS HAVE BEEN REMOVED. THE SIGNIFICANT WOOD ROCK TO THE MAIN ENTRYWAY FEEDING, UM, ON THE PROPERTY HERE IS SOMEBODY THAT REMOVE THE ONE THE WINDOW WARDS, EVEN FOR LY WAS MADE JUST NEED UP AGAINST THE BUILDING. NEXT CITY POLICES, THIS IS ALSO THE FRONT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING, UH, SO DOWN AL AND THOSE STAIRS FOR NOT VISIBLE ON MY INITIAL INSPECTION BECAUSE OF THE WOOD STEERS. SO IT DOES HAVE STAIRS THAT WERE EXISTING BEFORE THE WOOD STAIRS WERE BUILT OVER, UH, CONCRETE STAIRS. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE WOOD ROD ACCESSIBLE HOLES THERE. UM, YOU SEE HOW CLOSE THIS BUILDING HAS TO, UH, CALLED WALL STREET, WHICH IS A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION THERE. UM, AND EAST SIXTH STREET, THERE'S NO SCHOOLS IN THE AREA. THE CLOSEST SCHOOL, I GUESS WOULD BE HOUSTON TILLERS. THAT, THAT'S PRETTY BROAD FOR THIS LOCATION. THANKS. EXHIBIT, UH, THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, OF THE EAST. AS YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, EXHIBITED WOOD ROCK, SO THE DAMAGE, A LITTLE DAMAGE ON THE ROOF, AND ALSO THE TRUNK SPACE. NEXT EXHIBIT. THIS IS A CLOSE UP OF THE METER SHOWING THERE'S NO ELECTRIC METER THERE, NO POWERING FACILITY. IT'S NOT BEING OCCUPIED, BUILDING INSECURE. IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET INTO THAT FIELD. SHOULD GET IT FROM THE CRAWL SPACE, WHICH IS HARD TO MATCH. THE, UH, SEE NEXT EXHIBIT PLEASE. AND [00:50:01] THIS IS SHOWING THE CRAWL SPACE. UH, IT'S, UH, OPEN, ACCESSIBLE. NEXT, NEXT SLIDE. THIS AGAIN, REAR SHOWING WOOD ROD SOEN DAMAGE WHERE SOME DEBRIS BACK SLIDE. THIS IS A CLOSEUP FROM THE DEBRIS FROM THE OTHER SIDE. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, NOT SURE IF THAT WAS A, A SLEEPING BAG OR SOMEBODY HAD BEEN USING THAT PALLET. UH, THERE HAS BEEN HOMELESS ACTIVITY IN THE AREA. THEY HAVE NOT ENTERED THAT BUILDING'S BUY IN TO MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT THEY DO FREQUENT THE ALLEY JUST BEHIND THAT BUILDING. . AND AGAIN, THIS IS SHOWING THAT FROM THE EAST SIDE, SHOWING THE CRAWL SPACE. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT ABOVE THE, UH, WINDOW UNIT, YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN STOP THERE. UH, FIRST TIME I WENT TO THAT PROPERTY ON THE JUNE 1ST, THERE WERE PIGEONS NESTING IN THERE. NEXT EXHIBIT, PLEASE. AND AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING HERE FROM THE, UH, EAST SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, OR SAYING FROM THE SOUTH. AND THAT'S THE TABLE. IT'S BEING AGAINST THE, AND THIS IS THE FINAL SLIDE, I THINK TWO PIECE. AND THAT'S JUST THE WENT IN FRONT ONCE AGAIN RELATED TO THE BOARD IS MISSING WHERE THE STAIRS ARE MISSING WHAT STAIRS THAT, UH, ENDS MY PRESENTATION. I'M OPEN ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, THOSE DESCRIBED IN THE FINDING OF FACT OFFICIAL FOUND THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS A PUBLIC AND ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE AND IS CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD WITH UNSAFE CONDITIONS. STAFF ASK THE COMMISSION TO ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH INCLUDES STAFF PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT IN CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND UNDER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO P. STAFF ALSO REQUESTED THE COMMISSION ADOPT PROPOSED FINDING FACT CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND ORDER THE FOLLOWING. ONE REQUIRED THAT THE OWNER COMPLETES THE FOLLOWING WITHIN 45 DAYS FROM THE DAY THE ORDER IS MAILED. A, OBTAIN A, OBTAIN AND FINALIZE ALL NECESSARY PERMITS. B DEMOLISHED ALL PORTIONS OF THE REAR COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE AND REMOVE THIS DEBRIS LEADING THE LOT GOING AND RIGHT C REQUEST INSPECTIONS FROM AUSTIN. CODE VERIFY COMPLIANCE AND TWO ON THE 46 DAY OF COMPLIANCE HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED. A AUTHORIZED CODE OFFICIAL TO PROCEED WITH DEMOLITION AND TO CONSIDER ALL PORTIONS OF THE REAR COMMERCIALS DUPLEX STRUCTURE, INCLUDING ANY ITEMS IN AND RANDOMLY STRUCTURE AS DEBRIS AND DISPOSE OF AS SUCH. AND BE THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE UNNOTICED THAT THE CODE OFFICIAL IS AUTHORIZED TO ASSESS ALL EXPENSES INCURRED AGAINST THE PROPERTY UNLESS IT'S EXEMPTED BY THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. BELIEVE FOR THOSE EXPENSES MAY BE FILED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN, REPORTED WITH THE TRAVIS COUNTY DE RECORDS. ENTER APPROVE RATE 10% PER YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADMIT, UH, STAFFS EXHIBIT ONE AND PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO P. UH, WE DO HAVE THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE, MR. CASTILLO. SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OH, CASTILLA RIGHT CAST. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, YOU DO HAVE SOME EXHIBITS THAT YOU FORWARDED AS WELL, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADMIT THOSE EXHIBITS. OKAY, YOU MAY PROCEED. UM, WE DO CREATE, UH, THE PROPERTY BUILDING NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED AND WE STARTED THE PROCESS ON THAT ON, UM, MAY 25TH, 2022. WE SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN EXEMPTION, UM, WHICH WE DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2022 BAND, WHICH WAS REJECT. UM, AFTER THAT WE PROCEEDING ALSO WITH, UH, GETTING THE, UH, SITE PLAN AND EVERYTHING TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF SHOWING WHAT WE WANT TO GET, UH, WHAT WE WANNA DO, WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, AND EVERYTHING. THAT WAS AS OF OCTOBER 27TH, 2020 18, WHICH WE HAD FEES. AND, UM, AND AS OF NOVEMBER 29TH, UH, WE RESUBMITTED THE, UH, FOR DEPARTMENT DEMO, WHICH LEADS US TO NOW WHEN WE RECEIVED THE LETTER TO COME FROM THE HEARING. SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL THIS DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT SHORT AND SWEET , AND, UM, THANKS FOR COMING VERY PREPARED, EITHER EXHIBITS. EXCELLENT. WE'VE, UH, BEEN ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK, I'M SURE. UH, SO THANKS FOR COMING PREPARED FOR SURE. UM, OH YES, THOSE ARE THE EXHIBITS. SO, UH, WE'LL [00:55:01] GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE COMMISSIONERS ASK ANY QUESTIONS. UH, OR WOULD 10 COMMENTS, RIGHT. COMMISS MUELLER, I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOUR EXHIBITS. IT SAYS YOUR, THE TIMELINE FOR THE COMPLETION IS APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS. UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, UM, LOOKING AT AS FAR AS THE, UM, PERMITS COMING, UH, THE CONVERSION AND DEPARTMENTS AND CAN BE DONE, I BELIEVE STATES ON HERE APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS. YEAH, SO I THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE SAME ISSUE WE HAD WITH THE LAST ONE THAT TIME. WE CAN GIVE YOU THIS 90 DAYS, BUT THE REALITY IS IF YOU'RE WORKING ON IT, THE CITY'S NOT GONNA GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, SO I WORKING SO YOU'RE, YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED THE PERMITS, YOU'VE GOT A TIMELINE FROM THE COMPANY THAT'S GONNA DO THE GENERATION. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANYTHING ELSE OR DO WE OH, YES, I, I ACTUALLY LOOKED UP THE INFORMATION, UH, AND THE DATABASE SYSTEM DOWN ITS PROPERTY. THE RECENT SITE PLAN WAS, WAS REJECTED AGAIN, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE SITE PLAN DIDN'T QUANTIFY THE LIMITS OF THE CONSTRUCTION. THE CONSTRUCTION ALSO, THERE WAS, UH, IT MENTIONED UH, PROVIDING PLAN SET SHOWING THE BUILDING TO BE DEMOLISHED AND THE LIMIT WERE FILE. SO, UH, THAT WAS ABSENT I BELIEVE, NOVEMBER 29TH, 2022. TYPICALLY MY, MY IN INVESTIGATE A CASE. YEAH, I INVESTED UP TO THE LAST MINUTE, SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES AND I DID THAT TODAY JUST BEFORE I HEADED UP TO THIS HEARING. OKAY. SO I MEAN THAT LANGUAGE TO CHANGE, IF THEY PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION, I, BUT THEY, WHAT WAS REJECTED THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD ALLOW ME SEE THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL PLAN REVIEW AND THEY WOULD GIVEN PERMIT THEIR DEMOLITION FOR THE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. SO YOU SHOW THAT IT WAS REJECTED, UM, AS OF NOVEMBER 29TH. NOVEMBER 29TH. ALTHOUGH I DO SHOW IN THE OWNER'S EXHIBITS THAT THEY RESUBMITTED SOMETHING. IT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN NOVEMBER 29TH AS WELL. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT I LOOKED AT TODAY, SO THEY MAY NOT HAVE UPDATED IT. I'M JUST NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. YEAH, I OBSERVED TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THAT EXTRA INFORMATION. UM, IT'S HELPFUL. UM, MR. COSTILLA, UM, WERE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER SUBMISSIONS THIS MONTH OR WAS THE LAST TIME THAT ANYTHING WAS SUBMITTED? WAS THAT IN NOVEMBER? UH, JUST AS NOVEMBER. END OF NOVEMBER. OKAY. AND YOU HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM WATERLOO, UH, CONSTRUCTION? NO, WE HAVE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT, I CAN GET BACK WITH THEM AND FIND OUT. OKAY. THAT'S LAST, YEAH, THAT WAS JUST LAST WEEK. SO WE, YOU KNOW, THE HOLIDAYS AND EVERYTHING. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER GIFT AFFAIRS? SURE, YEAH, I CAN JUST QUALIFY THAT IF IT WAS SUBMITTED ON THE 29TH. IT PROBABLY WAS A FEW DAYS BEFORE CITY INTAKE ACTUALLY GOT IT INTO THEIR SYSTEM. SO PROBABLY IF YOU CHECKED IT ON THE 29TH, IT WASN'T EVEN REGISTERING THE NEW SUBMITTAL WOULD BE MY GUESS I'D SAY. OH, TODAY. OH, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. I STILL THINK, I MEAN THAT WAS CITY INTAKE PERSONALLY. T BE THERE YET. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY. UM, THE DOCUMENTS ARE HELPFUL, THE, UH, TESTIMONY OF, UH, INSPECTOR ADAMS HELPFUL. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE, OH, THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC PART OF THE HEARING, SO THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS FOR A FEW MINUTES AND WE SHOULD HAVE A DECISION FOR YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PART OF THE HEARING? THANK YOU. CAPTAIN FRANCIS. IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO US, US CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW? NO. RIGHT CLOSE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONSIDERATIONS. YES. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I MOVE TO ADOPT STAFF'S POST FINDINGS, FACTS AND CONCLUSIONS AND MODIFY STAFF'S RECOMMENDED ORDER BY EXTENDING THE TIMEFRAME FROM 45 DAYS TO 90 DAYS. THANK YOU. I SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MUELLER. AND SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, VOTE ON THAT MOTION. SO COMMISSIONER [01:00:01] FRYBERG? YES. I'M A TAPER AND COMMISSIONER MUELLER. COMMISSIONER FRANCIS. AYE. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, WHAT YOU YES. OH, OKAY. GOOD COMMISSION, ? YES. YES. AND I'M ALSO IN FAVOR, COMMISSIONER GREEN AND COMMISSIONER STILL SAID AYE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN ADMITTED AND APPROVED AND, UM, ADOPTED. I GUESS THAT'S THE PROPER WORD. AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A SLIGHT MODIFICATION ON THE TIME TO 90 DAYS. THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA? YES. NEXT [5. Case Number: CL 2022-167155] ON THE AGENDA FOR PERMISSIONS CONSIDERATION. THIS CASE NUMBER C 20 22 1 5 7 1 55 PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 27 16 OAK SPRINGS DRIVE AND THE EXHIBITS CAN BE FOUND IN THE GREEN BOOKS IN YOUR READERS DRIVE FOLDER. HERE ARE A FEW FACTS ABOUT THE CASE. THIS CASE IS ABOUT AN ABANDONED OVERGROWN PROPERTY WITH A DILAPIDATED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. THE CASE WAS INITIALLY OPENED IN JULY, 2019 AS A RESULT OF A COMPLAINT AND HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION SINCE THAT TIME. STRUCTURE IS UNSAFE FOR ITS USE IN OCCUPANCY. NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED TO DATE. THE DILAPIDATED AND NEGLECT STRUCTURE CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE. IT'S CONSIDERED DANGEROUS AND REQUIRED TO DEMOLITION. AND YOUR READERS ARE GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDERS. YOU WILL FIND THE FOLLOWING EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH CONTAINS COMPLAINT KITS HISTORY, A COPY OF THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORD THAT VERIFIES OWNERSHIP, A STRUCTURAL MAP OF THE PROPERTY, THE REQUIRED NOTICE OF VIOLATION, NOTICE APPEARING AND POSTINGS. AND EXHIBIT TWO, WHICH CONSISTS OF CODES, PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO A TWO OH. AND LASTLY, CODES RECOMMEND ORDER. AUSTIN CODE INVESTIGATOR ERIC THOMPSON IS HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE EXHIBIT PHOTOS AND DISCUSS THE VIOLATIONS AS DATED INVESTIGATOR THOMPSON. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I'LL BE PRESENTING THE CASE FOR 27 16 OF SPRING STRIKE. AUSTIN CODE RECEIVED THIS CASE ON JULY 23RD, 2019. IT WAS REPORTED AS HAVING GRASS WEEDS OVER 48 INCHES TALL AND TO BE OPEN, ACCESSIBLE IN A GLAZING INSTRUCTION. DURING THE FIRST FEW INSPECTIONS OF THIS PROPERTY, INSPECTORS WERE UNABLE TO VERIFY STRUCTURE WAS OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF WEEDS AND VEGETATION THAT WAS OVERGROWING THE ENTIRE STRUCTURES. IT WAS ALSO DOCUMENTED THAT THE GRASS WEEDS WERE OBSTRUCTING THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK IN FRONT. THE INSPECTOR ORDERED THIS PROPERTY TO BE INVADED BY THE CITY'S CONTRACTOR TWO TIMES. SINCE THIS CASE HAS BEEN OPENED, NO ONE HAS MADE THE LIEN FOR THESE SERVICES. DURING AN INSPECTION REPORT IN DECEMBER OF 2019, HE WAS OBSERVED THAT THE FRONT DOOR, A SIDE DOOR AND A WINDOW WERE ALL MISSING OR DAMAGED. THE CITY'S CONTRACTORS CALLED AND THE TWO DOORS AND THE WINDOWS WERE BOARDED. I PLACED THE YELLOW PLACARD ON THE FRONT DOOR AREA OF THE STRUCTURE. I RETURNED THE NEXT DAY AND POSTED THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION NEXT TO THE BLACK. DURING THE BOARD OF SECURE PROCESS, MANY VIOLATIONS WERE OBSERVED, WHICH WE WILL SEE IN THE PHOTOS DURING THE PRESENTATION. AND I'LL EXPLAIN FURTHER. THIS PROPERTY IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM SCHOOL. AFTER REPEATING POSTINGS AND MAIL SENT CERTIFIED TO THE LAST KNOWN OWNER, HAVE NOT HAD ANYONE REACH OUT REGARDING THIS PROPERTY. UTILITIES HAVE NOT BEEN AT SINCE JULY OF 2017. PROPERTY TAXES ARE IN ARREAR SINCE 2016 AND NO KNOWN ERRORS WERE REVEALED IN THE TITLE OF SEARCH FOR THESE REASONS, AND DUE TO THE PROPERTY BEING UNMAINTAINED AND UNSAFE, I'M ASKING COURT FOR TO GRANT AN ORDER FOR DEMOLITION FOR DESTRUCTION. I WILL NOW TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PHOTO. PHOTO TWO A IS A PHOTO TAKEN FROM ACROSS THE STREET OF THE STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURE'S UNDERNEATH THOSE TREES AND THAT VEGETATION HOOKS PHOTO. THIS IS A CLOSEUP, UH, INDICATING THE ADDRESS OF 27 16 IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE PHOTOS. THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN RIGHT BEFORE THE STRUCTURE WAS SECURED, UM, AS THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE'S ONLY THE, UH, TWO BY FOURS IN PLACE AND SOME FRAMING. THERE'S NO, UM, DRYWALL OR TYPE OF FALLS OR FLOORING OR MORNING CEILING. UM, MATERIALS LEFT AND STRUCTURED. NEXT PHOTO, THIS IS A PHOTO FROM THE FRONT STAIRCASE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE STAIR RAIL LANE IS BROKEN ON EACH SIDE. UM, AND THE FRONT DOOR'S MISSING. THAT'S WHERE THE DOORS WE HAD BOARDED, UM, WITH THE NOTICES OF VIOLATION [01:05:01] AND THE WARNING PLACARD STILL ON THERE, UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AFTER NEXT, UM, THIS A PICTURE OF, UH, YELLOW PLACARD, UM, THAT WAS POSTED IN IT TO ME THAT THE REPEAT SYSTEM, UM, IT'S DAMAGED AND MAY COLLAPSE IN THE DETAIN, MAKING THE BUILDING UNSAFE. NEXT PHOTO IS ANOTHER PLACARD. UM, SAME THING SAYS THAT THE STRUCTURES UNINHABITABLE, UM, AND THAT THE COMPONENTS AND THE ROOM WALLS ARE COMPROMISED AND DAMAGED, MAKING THAT STUFF FROM SAFE. NEXT PHOTO. THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE WINDOWS, UM, ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THE WINDOWS LOOK THE SAME, THEY'RE DAMAGED, UM, AND NOT REALLY HELD PLACE ANYMORE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE WALLS FALLING AWAY FROM THE WINDOW THERE. NEXT PHOTO, THE PHOTO OF THE REPEAT SYSTEM. UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S SAGGING. I'M UNSURE IF THERE'S DECKING EVEN LEFT UNDER THERE, UM, AT THIS POINT. OR IF THERE WAS DECKING. UM, IT MAY JUST BE THE 10 LEFT. UM, IN PLACE OF THE ROOF THERE. MY PHOTO'S, A PHOTO FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. I'VE STATED ON THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. UM, SHOWING YOU ANOTHER AREA OF THE ROOF THAT'S DAMAGED, UM, AND SAGGING. YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE CAUSE IT'S COVERED IN VEGETATION. NEXT PHOTO. THIS IS THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, SHOWING SAME THING, THE SAGGING, UM, AND THE BROKEN DOOR. YOU CAN SEE THERE, UH, THE HEADER OVER THE DOOR, THE WALL, UH, THE SIDING WAS SIDING. IT'S BROKEN AND MISSING. AND THE DOOR, UM, ON THE INSIDE IS ALSO BROKEN AS WELL. NEXT PHOTO. THIS IS THE FOUNDATION WALLS. SO WE KNEW THE WATER CRACK WHERE THE FOUNDATION HAS SHIFTED, SO IT'S NOT, UM, HOLDING, IT'S IN SECURITY TO THE GROUND ANYMORE LIKE IT SHOULD BE. NEXT PHOTO, IT'S ALSO ANOTHER PICTURE OF A FOUNDATION WALL, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN ON THE SAME SIDE SHOWING, UM, THAT IT'S SEPARATING FROM THE GROUND. THANKS. PHOTO, THIS IS FROM THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, UM, SHOWING DAMAGED SIDING. UM, AND UH, I GUESS THAT'S AN ADDITION THAT WAS BUILT, UM, AT SOME POINT TOWARD, TOWARDS THE BACK. THERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT'S NOT ADEQUATE ROOF ON THAT PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE. US NEXT PHOTO, THIS FROM THE FRONT RIGHT HAND CORNER SHOWING YOU THE STUCCO TYPE WALL THAT'S FALLING AWAY FROM THE FRAMING OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, THE WALLS ARE OBVIOUSLY DAMAGED AND NOT WEATHER TIGHT, ALLOWING WEATHER TO FURTHER, UM, TO LABATE THE BUILDING. NEXT PHOTO. THIS IS THE POSTER PHOTO SHOWING YOU THE DAMAGE SIDING ABOVE THE DOOR THERE. NEXT PHOTO. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF PHOTO CAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THOSE DESCRIBED IN THE FINDINGS FACT CO OFFICIAL FOUND THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS A PUBLIC AND AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE OF DANGEROUS CONDITIONS. STAFF ASKED PERMISSION TO ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH CONSISTS OF STAFF PROPOSED FINDINGS, FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW OF OF THE RELEVANT DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO. A FOR TWO STAFF ALSO REQUEST PERMISSION, ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT. IN CONCLUSION TO LAW ORDER FOLLOWING, ONE REQUIRES THAT THE OWNER COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING WITHIN 45 DAYS FROM DATE. THE ORDER IS MAILED A, OBTAIN AND FINALIZE ALL NECESSARY PERMITS BE DEMOLISHED, ALL PORTIONS OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ALONG WITH ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND REMOVES DEBRIS LEAVING THE LOCK, CLEAN AND RATE C REQUEST INSPECTIONS FROM AUSTIN. CODE VERIFIED COMPLIANCE TWO ON THE 46TH DAY COMPLIANCE HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED. A AUTHORIZED CODE, OFFICIAL PROCEED DEMOLITION AND TO CONSIDER ALL ABORTIONS UNDER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AS WELL AS ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND INCLUDING ANY ITEMS IN AND AROUND THE STRUCTURES AS DEBRIS AND DISPOSAL OF AS SUCH. AND B, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE UNNOTICED THAT THE CODE OFFICIAL IS AUTHORIZED TO ASSESS ALL EXPENSES INCURRED AGAINST THE PROPERTY UNLESS EXEMPTED BY THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. A LIEN FOR THOSE EXPENSES MAY BE FOLLOWED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND RECORDED WITH PRATT COUNTY. HE RECORDS INTER SHALL RATE 10% PER YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT. . THANK YOU. UM, ADMITS EXHIBIT ONE AND EXHIBITS TO A THROUGH TWO. OH, THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF SNAP. EXCUSE ME. AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FOR THE OWNERS TONIGHT. [01:10:01] IS ANYBODY HERE FOR 27 16 OAK SPRINGS DRIVE? NOBODY. SO WE HAVE A NEED TO CLOSE THE THANK YOU. SO, UH, UNLESS WE HAVE AN OBJECTION, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC PART OF THE HEARING AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONSIDER THE PROPOSED, THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND THE PROPOSED ORDERS. IT'S BEEN GOING ON THREE AND A HALF YEARS. UH, COMMISSIONER GREEN, SORRY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY, I JUST SAY THAT THE DEFENDANT'S BEEN ALMOST THREE AND A HALF YEARS SINCE THIS, UH, PROPERTY CAME TO OUR COACH'S ATTENTION. HAVE YOU HAD ANY, UH, CONTACT FROM YOUR HONOR AT ALL? NO, NONE AT ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE HEARING OR ADOPT THE STAFF RECORD, PROPOSED FINDING OF FACULTY CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDED ORDER. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND . OKAY. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. SECONDED THAT. YES, HONOR. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL VOTE. I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONERS. YES. AND COMMISSIONER THOMPSON? YES. COMMISSIONER ROBERT FAVOR? YES. COMMISSIONER NEER. HOW DO YOU VOTE? COMMISSIONER FRANCIS? YES, YES. COMMISSIONER STILL STAT. I, COMMISSIONER GREEN. AND I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE, UM, SUPPOSED ORDER. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEMS. UM, THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU. THE INVESTIGATOR THOMPSON? YES, . [6. Case Number: CL 2022-166577] ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER C 20 22 6 6 5 77, AND, AND IS REGARDING PROPERTY LOCATED AT 85 21 DRIVE STAFF. EXHIBITS OF PUBLIC COMMENT TESTIMONY CAN BE FOUND IN THE GOLD LOOKING READER OF BOOT FOLDER. THIS CASE IS REGARDING A VACANT AND FIRE DAMAGE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE WITH UNSAFE CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE DEMOLITION. LET'S REVIEW SOME FACTS ABOUT THIS CASE. THIS CASE WAS OPENED IN JANUARY, 2022 AS A RESULT OF A FIRE THAT OCCURRED ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2021. THIS CASE IS ABOUT A SEVERELY FIRED DAMAGE SINGLE STORY RESIDENT STRUCTURE. AS A RESULT OF THE FIRE, THE STRUCTURE IS NO LONGER HABITABLE. THE UNSAFE CONDITIONS CREATE AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS LIGHT CONDITION, WHICH REQUIRES DEMOLITION. THERE IS NO RECORD OF A PERMIT APPLICATION IN OUR DATABASE TO DATE FOR DEMOLITION. IN YOUR READERS IN GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDER, YOU'LL FIND THE FOLLOWING EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH CONTAINS THE COMPLAINING CASE HISTORY, A STRUCTURE MAP OF THE PROPERTY, A COPY OF THE TRAFFIC CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORD THAT VERIFIES OWNERSHIP, THE REQUIRED NOTICES OF VIOLATION, NOTICE OF HEARING AND POSTINGS, AS WELL AS PRIOR INCIDENT REPORT EXHIBIT TWO, WHICH CONSISTS OF PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS TWO A OR TWO H AND CODES RECOMMENDED ORDER. AUSTIN CODE INSPECTOR KENNETH NET IS CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE, BUT IS UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING. AUSTIN CODE SUPERVISOR DAVID DOWNING, IS HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED TWO A TWO H AND WE'LL DISCUSS THE VIOLATIONS THERE. SUPERVISOR DOWNING. THANK, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. I'M PRESENTING THE ULTIMATE CODE CASE FOR VIOLATIONS OF 85,002 50 DRIVE. THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF SIMILAR HOME. IT IS NEAR OLDEN ROAD BETWEEN BERNARD ROAD RESEARCH BOULEVARD. THAT'S BERNARD MIDDLE SCHOOL. IT'S LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET AT A1 MINUTE WALK FROM THIS ADDRESS. A FIRE DAMAGED THIS HOME ON NEW E OF 2021. DAMAGE DOCUMENTED IN THIS CASE SHOWS THE DEMOLITION NECESSARY. THE SCENE REPORT BY AFD, THAT IS YOUR FOLDERS, DESCRIBES THE PROPERTY, PROPERTY AS A TOTAL LOSS AND THE TIME SENSITIVE EVENT. THERE CONTINUES TO BE MATERIAL AND VEHICLES STORED AT THE HOMES RUSSIAN FREE HAVE ACCUMULATED AND BEEN REMOVED ON SEVERAL. THE OWNER STATED TO OUR INSPECTOR THAT A DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN HIRED. THE, BUT THE PERMIT DATABASE SHOWS NO APPLICATIONS FOR DEMOLITION OR RENOVATIONS. AUSTIN CODE STAFF HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH THE OWNER AND HIS FATHER SINCE THE FIRE EVENT. THE AUSTIN CODE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENT TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE HAS NOT BEEN VETTED BY ANY ACTION THAT ESTABLISHES COMPLIANCE. THE HOUSE IS VACANT AND THE CONDITION IS AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE. THE HOME CREATES A LIGHTING CONDITION FOR THE MAIN. WE'LL REVIEW OUR PHOTOS IN [01:15:01] EXHIBIT TWO. SO TWO A, THIS IS FROM STREET THERE AT PLATINUM SHOWS THE A 8 5 21 2 B. UM, THIS IS THE STREET VIEW. I'VE EXCEEDED JASON HOLMES IN SIMILAR RESIDENCY. THIS IS A FAIRLY TYPICAL ACCUMULATION OF DRIVING DEBRIS. SO VEHICLES AT THE HOUSE, STILL SOME MATERIAL STORED LOCATION. UM, THE GRASS ROWS ABOUT 12 INCHES OCCASION. BRAND GETS COVERED, YEAH, UP TO TWO C YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE FIRE WAS COMING OUT. THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE. UM, MORE PICTURES WILL SHOW THE EXTENDED DEMOLITION OR EXTENDED THAT TOO DEEP. THIS IS THE CARDBOARD OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, CEILING STAINED BLACK ON THE FIRE. THE WINDOW BOARDED UP DOORS, THE HOUSE ARE BLOWS UP. UM, THE OWNER CONTINUES TO STORE MATERIAL ON SITE, WHICH IS UNSIGHTLY DAMAGE TO BE. UM, THIS IS LOOKING THROUGH THE SECURE EVENTS AND THE BACKYARD. UM, ALL THE HOMES IN THE AREA KEEP THE SIX FOOT PRIVACY EXPENSE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S STILL DEBRIS IN THE YARD. UM, THAT MAKES SENSE. THE DAMAGE ON THE HOUSE, THE WALLS BURN COMPLETELY THROUGH TO F UM, THIS IS LOOKING THROUGH THE BOARD OF WINDOWS INTO THE STRUCTURE. UM, I BELIEVE THIS WE SAID THE KITCHEN AT SOME, UM, THE HOUSE IS JUST CONSUMING FIRE OR NEXT PHOTO. UM, AGAIN, PEEKING THROUGH TO ONE OF THE BATHROOMS AND THEN SPACE BEYOND IT. UM, DAMAGE AS A STATE'S COMPLETE NEXT PHOTO, UM, THAT'S ALREADY YELLOW PLACARD. AND NOTICE THE VIOLATION AND POST AT THE PROPERTY MORE THAN ONCE. ACTUALLY THANKS VOTE BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONDITION SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THOSE DESCRIBED IN THE FACT CO OFFICIAL FOUND THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS REPUBLICAN INACTIVE NUISANCE WITH UNSAFE CONDITIONS. STAFF ASK COMMISSION TO ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH INCLUDES STAFF PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT IN CONCLUSIONS LAW AND OTHER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS. MARK AS EXHIBITS TWO A OR TWO H STAFF ALSO REQUESTS THE COMMISSION ADOPT AND PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW ORDER AND FOLLOWING REQUIRED OF THE OWNER COMPLETE FOLLOWING WITHIN 60 DAYS FROM THE DATE THE ORDER IS MAILED. A, OBTAIN AND FINALIZE ALL NECESSARY PERMITS. B DEMOLISH ALL PORTIONS OF THE FIRE DAMAGE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AS WELL AS ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND REMOVES DEBRIS LEAVING THE LOCK CLEANING BLOCK, LEADING BRAKE SEA REQUEST INSPECTIONS FROM AUSTIN. CODE TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE TWO ON THE 61ST DAY OF COMPLIANCE HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED. A AUTHORIZE THE CODE OFFICIAL TO PROCEEDS, DEMOLITION, AND TO CONSIDER ALL RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AS WELL AS ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, INCLUDING ANY ITEMS IN AND AROUND STRUCTURES AS DEBRIS AND SUCH. AND B, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE UNNOTICED THAT THE CODE OFFICIALS AUTHORIZED TO ASSESS ALL EXPENSES OCCURRED INCURRED AGAINST THE PROPERTY LESS EXEMPTED BY THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. A LIEN FOR THOSE EXPENSES MAY BE FILED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND RECORDED FOR THE TRAVIS COUNTY DE RECORDS. INTEREST SHALL APPROVE AND RATE 10% PER YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT UNTIL FIND INFORMED. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBIT TWO A THROUGH TWO H, UM, THAT WERE PROPOSED BY STAFF AND I BELIEVE WE'LL, WE HAVE SOME, UM, CONCERNS CITIZENS HERE TODAY. SO WE ALSO HAVE SOME EXHIBITS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADMIT THOSE. UH, WE'LL START WITH MISS LARISA HARFORD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YOU MAY, UH, PROCEED TO TELL US . THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ON DECEMBER, 2021, THIS ORIGINAL FIRE WAS CAUSED DUE TO FIREWORKS BY THE PERSON IN THE HOME. WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THE FRONT OF THE HOME THEN CONTAINED A PIANO, TWO CARS, AN OVERGROWN YARD, BALD WAIST, AN OVERGROWN TREES. AFTER THAT, AROUND JANUARY, 2022, VERIFIABLE BY ONLINE SOURCES, THERE WAS A NEW FIRE CAUSED AT THE NEW RESIDENCE. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, ALL OF THE MATERIALS THAT THEY REMOVED THAT RESIDENCE TO ANOTHER FIREWORKS FIRE ENDED UP IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, THAT INCLUDED A FULL SET OF KITCHEN CABINETS, A TWO STORY, UM, STAIRWELL, SPIRAL STAIRCASE. UH, AND MEANWHILE, ALL OF THE BRUSH CONTINUED TO [01:20:01] MELT UP. AS YOU'VE HEARD, THE GRASS ALSO GREW OVER, UM, 12 INCHES AND THEN WOULD THEN WOULD BE CUT DOWN. BUT TO BE QUITE HONEST, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS ACTUALLY THE FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET. THERE WAS A PERIOD OF MORE THAN SIX MONTHS WHERE WE BELIEVED SOMEONE HAD TAKEN RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY. ONE EVENING I CALLED OFTEN POLICE DEPARTMENT AS IT WAS PARTICULARLY STRANGE NOISES. THERE WAS RUMMAGING THROUGH TOOLS AND WALKING THROUGH WHAT SEEMED TO BE THE HOME COMING FROM THE HOUSE IN SHED AREA. THE PERSON THEN EXITED THAT PROPERTY AS POLICE ARRIVED, SHOWING UP THE BACKYARD OF A NEIGHBORING HOME ON TETON DRIVE, PROMPTING A SECOND CALL TO THE POLICE BY THE HOMEOWNER. UM, SAFETY CHECKS WERE ALSO THEN SENT TO OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT WERE ON THE STREET TO SEE IF THAT PERSON HAD OTHER INDIVIDUALS WITH THEM IN THE YARD. NOT ONLY DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUFFER THIS TRAUMATIC EVENT, BUT THE NEGLIGENT OWNER DECIDED TO SET UP WHEN THE NEGLIGENT HOMEOWNER DECIDED TO SET OFF FIREWORKS AND PUTTING FOUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AT RISK. BUT WE CONTINUE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES EACH DAY OF THE ISO, THE FEAR OF INAPPROPRIATE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND ADDITIONAL DUMPING ON THE HOME OF HOME BUILDING MATERIALS. THEN, UM, RENOVATION MATERIALS. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS FULL OF YOUNG PERIOD'S. CHILDREN AS THE PARALLEL STREET WOODSTONE DRIVE BACKS UP TO BURNETT MIDDLE SCHOOL. OUR NEIGHBORS ARE REGULARLY IN TOUCH WITH THEM. BURNETT MIDDLE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS DUE TO MISS SHIP HAPPENING ON RENT AND DRIVE, ONLY DRIVE IN THE PUTNAM DRIVE. AND I WORRY THAT THE NEXT CALL MAY BE SOMEONE INJURED ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS A NEIGHBOR TO THIS PROPERTY. PLEASE HELP MY NEIGHBORS IFIED DISCLOSURE, THE CONTINUED LACK OF ACTION AND NEGLIGENT AND SHOWN DO NOT GIVE US STATE THAT THIS FAMILY WILL TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS TO DEMOLISH THIS HOUSE. WE ARE ASKING THE CITY. PLEASE HELP US. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, NOW I HAVE, UH, MR. MS. RICHARDSON. YES, THANK FOR BEING HERE. YOU MAY APPRECIATE THE TIME. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MELANIE'S INTRODUCTION TO THIS. I WE HAVE FIVE AGENCY 2020. 2020 WASN. OH, I'M SORRY. SO THAT'S BEEN TWO YEARS NOW. THIS, IT'S BEEN, IT'S DETERIORATED A LOT WORSE SINCE THAT TIME. UM, RED DID NOT ENTER POST ON 4 20 21. AND, UH, PROPERTY SURROUNDING THE HOUSE ALSO CONTAINS TWO BURNED JUNK CARS, WHICH I THINK YOU SAW, UH, CARPORTS BECOME A DUMPING GROUND FOR NUMEROUS ITEMS AS THE LIST MENTIONED, CABINETS THERE, ET CETERA. CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT LOUDER? I'M SORRY. I WILL. UM, THE CARDBOARD HAS BECOME A DUMPING GROUND FOR NUMEROUS ITEMS, UH, TO BURN ELECTRONICS. OTHER ITEMS FROM THE RESIDENCE, VANIER FROM THE FIRE. UH, NUMEROUS OTHER ITEMS IS WHAT ALL THE BACKYARD HAS BECOME OVERGROWN AND REMAINS A LOT OF CHUNK IN THERE TOO. PATIENTS SUBMITTED TO, TO FAILURE THE HONOR TO PREPARE, REPAIR DOWN THAT BUILDING HAS TO CREATE A PROTECTION FOR RATS, VICE OTHER FIRM AND PROPERTY THE NEIGHBORS WITH PROPERTIES MONEY. THE 85 20 WOULD ADDRESS DOES CLOSE BY ARE KEEPS ME CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. ALSO, THE PROPERTY IS ON THE WALKING ROUTE FROM, FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL CHILDREN SCHOOL, AS THE LIST ALREADY MENTIONED. UM, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED THAT WITH THE NEW SIDE, ONE THAT PASSES THROUGH THAT PROPERTY NOW, THAT CURIOSITY THOSE KIDS BY THEM INTO THE CARDBOARD, THE HOUSE OR MAYBE INTO THE TWO CARS THAT, UM, WE'VE ALSO SEEN CHILDREN EXITING THE CARPORT AND WE HAVE SEEN HOMELESS PEOPLE CARRYING OUR LADDERS FROM THE CARPORT. SO, UM, PLEASE ADD, THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE ADDED TO THE BOTTOM OF PROVIDE, UH, JUST TO, TO THE INCIDENT RECORD SUPPORTED LOSS CONTROLS RECOMMENDATION THAT THE RESIDENTS ON THIS PROPERTY BEEN DEMOLISHED AND A LOT CLEAR TO ALL OF THEIR OWN ITEMS. IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW SINCE THE FIRE OCCURRED. IT'S LITTLE EFFORT SHOWN ON THAT THE OWNER TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD IO AS VERSUS ITS POTENTIAL HEALTH HAZARD AND A POSSIBLE SOURCE CREDENTIAL FOR CURIOUS CHILDREN. IT'S TIME TO MODEL IT, BURN OUT THEIR PROPERTY AND REPLACE IT WITH GOING CONCURRENT COMPATIBLE CARE PROPERTIES APPROXIMATELY. THAT'S FINE. ANY QUESTIONS I NEGLECT TO ANSWER? OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANKS FOR PREPARING THE EXHIBITS. WE, WE HAD A CHANCE, I THINK, TO LOOK AT THE EXHIBITS THAT YOU PROVIDED. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESSES OR OF, UM, THE SUPERVISOR FROM CODE DEPARTMENT? YES, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR CODE STAFF, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE RECOMMENDED ORDER. ALL RIGHT. UM, I NOTICE ON THIS ONE THE RECOMMENDED TIMEFRAME IS 60 DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. AND I KNOW, UM, TYPICALLY IT'S 45 DAYS JUST KIND OF OUT OF THE GATE. AND THEN OF COURSE, IN SOME INSTANCES WE DO SEE FIT TO EXTEND THAT TIMEFRAME. BUT, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALE IS. WHY, WHY 60 DAYS? [01:25:02] UM, UM, YES, IT, I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES HERE IN FRONT OF ME. I KNOW THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I WORK WITH DIFFERENT TEAMS AND THEY MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, THE INDIVIDUAL TEAMS MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOMETIMES IT HAS TO DO WITH PERMITS, BUT I GO WITH WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION THEY, THEY GIVE TO ME. AND IT PROBABLY MAY HAVE HAD TO DO WITH PERMITS AND SOMETHING, SOME TEAMS WOULD RATHER YOU WAIT AND EXTEND THE TIMEFRAME ONCE YOU GET HERE. AND SOME TEAMS DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO RECOMMEND A LONGER TIMEFRAME TO ACCOMMODATE OR TO ALLOW PERMITTING AND NOT. SO I CAN'T REALLY SAY, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT HAD TO DO, BUT IT'S PERMITTING. UM, I DID, I DID WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE OWNER CONTACTED ME. HE'S TRAVELING. HE WAS HOPING TO ATTEND BY PHONE TONIGHT. UH, BUT HE WASN'T SURE IF HE'D BE ABLE TO, HE WAS GONNA BE TRAVELING FROM FLORIDA BY, HE'S FLYING, AND SO HE WASN'T SURE IF HE'D BE ABLE TO BE HERE. AND HE SUBMITTED SOME PHOTOS AND THINGS, BUT THEY, HE DIDN'T SUBMIT THEM UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON. IT WAS PASTED OUR DEADLINE TO, I I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TIME TO TOGETHER NOW TO THE EXHIBITS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S . YES. IF I COULD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THEN TO INSPECTOR DOWNING. SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE NO CURRENT, THERE CURRENTLY ARE NO ACTIVE PERMITS IN THE CITIES. OKAY. AND HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY INTERACTION WITH THE OWNER? UM, WE SAY THE OWNER, IT'S TECHNICALLY THE OWNER'S FATHER WE'RE SPEAKING TO. UH, WE, YOU KNOW, CONVEYS SOME MATERIALS TO MELANIE TODAY. UM, WE'VE SPOKEN TO ON OCCASIONS AND, AND RECENTLY EVEN HAD A DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR THAT HE STATED WAS COMMITTED TO A CONTRACT ON THE, UM, THAT PERSON STATED THERE WAS NOT A CONTRACT IN PLACE, BUT HE HAD SPOKEN TO HIM. SO MAYBE THEY'VE AT LEAST GOT AS FAR AS A BID. WE HAVE NO DOCUMENTATION APPROVED THIS, AND THEN WE CHOSE 60 DAYS AS WELL, DIRECTOR AS A CONTRACTOR AND THEY DID IT PERMIT AND GET ON SITE. 60 DAYS SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE TIME FOR, UM, IF THERE'S ANY CREDIBILITY TO THAT WOULD WORK AT ALL. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU MR. RE, DID UH, MRS. SMITH WANT TO SPEAK AS WELL? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYTHING ELSE, ANY COMMENTS OR MOTIONS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER? I MOVED TO GLOBAL HEARING. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND WE'RE SURE THERE'S NOBODY WAITING TO BE ADMITTED TO THE MEETING RIGHT ONLINE. THERE IS ONE PERSON WHO WANTED SPEAK, I BELIEVE THAT TEXTED ME, HALEY, THERE WAS ANOTHER, SHE SAID SHE CALLED IN AND SHE WAS ONLINE WAITING. THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT'S, THAT'S ONE HALEY TURNER WHO IS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS. OH, OKAY. THAT'S ALRIGHT. DOES SHE I'M CURRENTLY ON THE PHONE. HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. I'M SO SORRY Y'ALL. I I, I'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS AND I I'M SORRY IF I DIDN'T DO WHAT I NEED TO DO TO BE HEARD, BUT CAN I HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO SPEAK? YES, YOU CAN HAVE THE, YOU CAN HAVE A FEW MINUTES. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I'LL BE VERY QUICK AND THANK YOU. UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU. I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY DONE WITH YOUR CONVERSATION. I JUST, UM, I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY AND, UM, ANTHONY, I'M THE ONLY PERSON WHO LIVES PROPERTY THAT HAS SPOKEN TONIGHT. UM, SO PART OF MY DESIRE TO SPEAK IS REALLY JUST THAT I HAVE BEEN LIVING UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL WITH THIS PROPERTY FOR AN EXHIBIT PERIOD OF TIME AND, UM, DEALT WITH THE TRAUMATIC UP CLOSE INCIDENT OF FEELING THAT MY HOUSE WAS GOING TO BURN DOWN WHEN THE ACCIDENT OCCURRED. UM, SO I I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE MY NEIGHBORS BEING SPECIFIC, NOTHING THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO, UM, MOVEMENT ON ACTUALLY CLEANING UP A TO CREATE A ENVIRONMENT. UM, AND IN FACT, BRANCHES FROM THIS LARGE DEAD TREE IN THE BACKYARD HAVE FALLEN ONTO MY PATIO, FALLEN ONTO MY HOME. UM, MY HOME HAS BEEN DAMAGED AS A OF IT. UM, AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY REALLY RECOGNIZABLE EFFORTS TO CHANGE THAT OR FIX IT FOR THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OTHER THAN CLEANING UP THE BRUSH IN THE FRONT YARD, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE CAN SEE WHEN THEY ARE WALKING DOWN THE STREET. SO I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED AND AM FRUSTRATED BY THE DELAY AND DO NOT BELIEVE THAT EVEN GIVEN 15 MORE DAYS THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL OR HIS FATHER WILL TAKE THE STEPS NEEDED TO MAKE THE PROPERTY SAFE OR, UM, SHOW RESPECT TO THEIR FELLOW PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT NEXT. SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. [01:30:01] ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND WAITING PATIENTLY ON THE LINE. ALL THAT HELPS. SO WE'LL MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT AND THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY HELP YOU OUT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PART OF THE HEARING, AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND SHEET? SECOND. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO CLOSING THE PUBLIC PART OF THE HEARING? NO, NO. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. AND DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED ORDER? YES, COMMISS. UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT STAFF'S ORDER, BUT THAT WE CHANGE THE TIME PERIOD TO 45 DAYS. OH, WOW. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT QUESTION? COMMISSIONER FRANCIS SECOND GOT MOTION AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, WE'RE READY TO VOTE. RIGHT? SO COMMISSIONER MUELLER, COMMISSIONER FRANCIS. AYE, COMMISSIONER STILL SAID AYE. THANK YOU. AYE, AND I'M ALSO IN FAVOR, IN FAVOR? NEGATIVE. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER PRIVATE. AYE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE STILL HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE FOR THE VOTE TO CARRY TONIGHT. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, ADOPT THE RECOMMENDED, UM, ORDER AND AMEND IT TO SAVE 45 DAYS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S THE LAST ITEM. YOU TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS, BELIEVE YES, WE GOOD DISCUSSION ITEMS? UM, SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, NEIGHBORS. AND, UM, AS YOU CAN TELL, WE SHORTEN THE TIMEFRAME SO THE, THE ORDER WILL GO OUT TO THE OWNERS WHETHER THEY DO ANYTHING, I'M NOT SURE, BUT AT LEAST THE CITY CAN START WORKING ON IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. TAKE CARE. OKAY, SO THE ITEMS, OKAY, WE'LL DO THEM DO THE MEETING DATE. OKAY. SO [7. Discussion / approval of the December 2023 Building and Standards Commission regular meeting date] WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM REGARDING ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON YOUR AGENDA. IT'S TO RECONSIDER AND APPROVE A DIFFERENT DATE FOR THE DECEMBER 23 MEETINGS GROUPS. SO, UH, CTM AND ATN ARE NOT SUPPORTING THESE ROOMS TYPICALLY ANYMORE. WE, THEY MADE AN EXCEPTION FOR US TONIGHT AND OR AFTER MY BEGGING AND PLEADING, THEY WERE SIGNED ENOUGH TO, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE US TONIGHT, UH, TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT. BUT TYPICALLY THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTING THIS ROOM, MEANING LONGER? YES. UH, SO IT'S JUST THE ROOM 1405. SO IF YOU COULD CH WE, YOU HAD CHOSEN, UM, COULD YOU PULL UP THE PICTURE OF DECEMBER, 2023 TO JUST BE A MAP OF DECEMBER? OKAY. SO AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING, YOU HAD SELECTED WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 6TH, 2023 FOR THE MEETING. OKAY. AND WHAT I'M PROPOSING, I THINK IT WAS PRETTY STRONGLY, I GIVE YOU THE CHOICE OF THE FIRST TWO WEEKS AND EVERYONE HAD CHOSEN THE FIRST WEEK. SO I'M, I'VE GOT PENCILED IN BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN ON THE FIFTH OR THE SEVENTH. WE'VE GOT BOTH OF THOSE DATES AVAILABLE FOR THE OTHER ROOM, OR TUESDAY THE FIFTH, OR THURSDAY THE SEVENTH. WE JUST, YOU JUST HAVE TO VOTE ON A NEW DATE AND THEN I'LL ALRIGHT, RESUBMIT IT OUT. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OTHER ROOM AND THE, THE, THE FIFTH IS A TUESDAY FOR EVERYONE, AND THEN THE SEVENTH IS A THURSDAY. UM, AND IT'S STILL GOING TO BE 6:30 PM YES, YES, YES, I THINK SO. MAYBE THE 13TH WOULD STILL BE AVAILABLE AS WELL. I NEED TO CHECK ON THAT, BUT YOU COULD CHOOSE THAT AS AN ALTERNATE IF YOU WANTED TO THE 13TH. OKAY. SO FIRST OF ALL, WOULD UM, ANYBODY HERE PREFER IT TO BE THE THIRD WEEK IN DECEMBER AS OPPOSED TO THE SECOND WEEK? NO. OKAY. SO ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR THE FIFTH AS OPPOSED TO THE SEVENTH? NO. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN I WOULD SAY I PREFER THE SEVENTH. OKAY. VOTE ON IT. SHE'S LIKE A FIRE. OH, FIREFIGHTER. NO, I SEE HOW IT'S GOING. OKAY. ANTHONY, YOU WON'T BE HERE EITHER WAY TOO. OH, OKAY. THAT'S TRUE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL DO THE SEVEN. AND [01:35:01] DO WE HAVE, DID WE BOTH, WAS THERE VOTE? DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? YEAH. OKAY, LET'S DO THIS. . ALL RIGHT. OH, COMMISSION. , ARE YOU STILL THERE? I AM. THANK YOU FOR WAITING. SO WE'RE DISCUSSING THE MEETING FOR NEXT DECEMBER AND WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, WELL, I PROPOSE DECEMBER 7TH AT SIX 30, WHICH IS A THURSDAY. ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THAT? I, I, YEAH, I CAN DO DATE, SO I'LL JUST GO WITH THE MAJORITY, BUT I WOULD VOTE TO, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD. UH, COMMISSION. FRANCIS, HOW DO YOU VOTE? . IS THAT A YEAH, THAT'S A, YES. I MAY NOT BE HERE, SO. OKAY. COMMISS MUELLER? YEAH. OKAY. AND COMMISSION FRYBERGER? I WILL. UPSTAIR STEIN SEVENTH COMMISSION. THOMPSON? YES. SEVENTH. OKAY, PERFECT. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. AND 7, 7, 7 IF I'M STILL HERE, RIGHT. SO WE'RE FINE WITH DECEMBER 7TH. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT SIX. WE'VE GOT SAME. OKAY. . UM, OKAY. SO THAT'S DONE. AND I WILL GET THAT CHANGED. THEY'VE ALREADY PENCILED IN THOSE TWO DAYS FOR ME, SO I JUST HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW THAT IT WAS VOTED ON SEVENTH. AND THEN, [8. Discussion regarding a 2023 Commission Retreat] UH, THE NEXT THING IS TO TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBLE COMMISSION RETREAT. UM, I KNOW LAST MONTH WE TALKED ABOUT IT BRIEFLY, THERE WAS A, WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TIME LEFT, WE DECIDED TO WAIT AND TALK ABOUT THIS, UM, HAVING A RETREAT THIS MONTH, AND I KNOW, UH, SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS WILL BE LEAVING US IN FEBRUARY AND NEW MEMBERS WILL BE APPOINTED. SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY WAITING UNTIL, AND SOME PEOPLE WILL SERVE ON A WHOLE, EVERY POSITION UNTIL THEY END APRIL. SO YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER UNTIL NEW COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN APPOINTED, MAYBE JUNE. IT'S MY THOUGHT WHEN WE GET NEW COMMISSIONERS ON BOARD, UM, TO HAVE A RETREAT. BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. ALL RIGHT. WELL GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES, I SUPPOSE. UM, ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, PREFERENCES IS THE QUESTION WHETHER TO HAVE IT OR NOT? WHETHER TO HAVE IT IF TO HAVE, WHETHER TO HAVE ONE QUESTION AND WHEN IT'S ALL UP TO YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO HAVE ONE EVERY YEAR? I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE ONE. YES. I WOULD LEAD TOWARDS HAVING IT AFTERWARDS. UM, YES, ESPECIALLY, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD, AND I KNOW WHEN I WAS NEW IT, IT WAS QUITE EYE OPENING TO GO TO ONE OR TWO OF THOSE THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS. YES. WHERE DID WE HAVE, DID WE, IS THAT THE ONE THAT WE HAD AT THE NEW LOCATION? THIS SIDE? THAT AT CITY HALL AND THE CITY HALL LOCATION? YES. WE HAD TWO, THE LATEST ONE WAS AT CITY HALL. OKAY. IT WAS EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING AND WE HAD A NICE PACKAGE. THAT WAS THE LAST ONE. I, THAT'S BIG. CAN WE MAKE A SHORTER? I'M SURE. OKAY. WE HAD ONE UP ON BERG THAT WAS PROBABLY WAS 10 YEARS AGO. I WANT THAT STILL SAID, SAYS HE'S REMOTE. UM, DO YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE RETREAT SOONER OR LATER OR WAIT, I MEAN LATER, MEANING WAIT TILL THE NEW COMMISSIONERS JOIN. I, I, I DO FIND IT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL. IT CAN BE EDUCATIONAL FOR A NEW COMMISSIONER. SO I THINK IN TERMS OF TIMING, THAT THAT COULD BE HELPFUL. CAN I GET PEOPLE UP TO SPEED WHO ARE, WHO ARE NEW TO WHAT WE DO? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO I THINK WE, WE CAN NARROW IT DOWN TO THREE OPTIONS. YOU WERE THINKING OF DOING THE RETREAT NOW, MEANING THIS YEAR AND YEAH, AND I, I HAVE A CALENDAR. OKAY. IT'S ALSO IN YOUR READERS SHOWING. YEAH, I THOUGHT I SAW IT, BUT THAT, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO CHOOSE THE DATE THOUGH? WHEN WE HAVE THE NEW PEOPLE SO WE KNOW THEY CAN ATTEND? YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE MONTH. OKAY. AN IDEA. WELL, THEY SHOULD, THEY'LL HAVE A CHOICE UNLESS WE'VE CHOSEN, UM, THAT'S ALSO THE ABILITY TO START PLANNING AND YES. WELL, JUNE SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. I WAS GOING TO SAY JUNE AS WELL. THAT'S AFTER, AFTER ONE SCHOOL GETS OUT, I RECOMMEND LATE NIGHT, LATE NIGHT. I MEAN, INSTEAD OF PEOPLE, [01:40:01] I'VE JUST NOTICED THAT WHEN SCHOOL GETS OUT, BOOM. WELL HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY OF APPLICATION ARE ACTUALLY, ARE IN SCHOOL? JUST, JUST LET, GET A YOUNGER S NOT GOOD BUT KIDS. OKAY. SO IT COULD BE GOING, I WOULD SU I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE THIS RETREAT OF COURSE. AND THAT WE HAVE IT IN JUNE OF NEXT YEAR OR, UM, OR WE COULD HAVE IT, UH, VERY SPRING BREAK. KEEP COSTS DOWN. RIGHT. YOU WOULDN'T MAKE IT AT ALL. UM, SO I, I'LL LIKE TO PROPOSE JUNE SOMETIME IN JUNE. AND UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS AS TO THE MONTH? NO, I IDEAS ABOUT FLIRTATION OR THINGS YOU'D LIKE, YOU WANT TALK ABOUT TOPICS OR DO THAT LATER OR? YEAH, WE CAN, I THINK WE NARROW IT DOWN. DID YOU, DIDN'T YOU PASS ALONG SOMETHING FOR, TO SHOW US WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE, GENERALLY SPEAKING? YEAH, SO I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME TONIGHT, BUT I CAN LOOK IT UP ON MY COMPUTER AND LET ME SEE, WE HAVE A HANDBOOK AND EVERYTHING. YES. WE WANTED THE SAME AS THE SAME FORMAT AS BEFORE, UH, WHICH WAS EDUCATIONAL AND THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAD A SHORT PRESENTATION ON, RIGHT? YES. YEAH, THE LAST HOUSE DID TOO. HOW, IF YOU THINK OF OTHER THINGS YOU WANNA ADD OR CHANGE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO OH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE FOR OKAY. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THE SAME. IF YOU TELL US WHAT, WHAT THE VALID POINTS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT. OKAY. AND UH, DO YOU WANT PICK ANY SPECIFIC DATE OR WAIT UNTIL CLOSER THAT TIME? WE'LL WAIT UNTIL MAKE SURE NOBODY FAILS. OKAY. AND OKAY, WE HAVE ONE MORE IT AFTER THIS ONE. OKAY. AND I WANTED TO MENTION IF ANYONE GOT UM, CALLS OR EMAILS FROM CITY HALL ABOUT UH, RENEWING YOUR APPLICATION? YES. IF YOU GOT THAT EMAIL, I THINK I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH MR. GREEN. BUT IF ANYONE GOT UM, THOSE EMAILS, IF YOU WOULD, YOU HAVE TO READLY. SO YOU JUST NEED TO FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK AGAIN. OKAY. I KNOW. UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK ME LATER ABOUT IT, I CAN FOLLOW, UM, SUPER CHUNKS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS UH, UP TO THE PERSON WHO WAS GOING TO APPOINT YOU WOULD STILL NEED TO REAPP. WELL YOU WOULD CONTACT, I KNOW YOU REAPPLY. YOU SHOULD CONTACT THEM. SORRY COUNSEL. UH, SORRY. WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PUT THIS ITEM SO THEY CAN'T REALLY DISCUSS IT. YEAH. UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU CAN SEE MELANIE AFTERWARDS. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THANK YOU. KEEPING US IN LINE AND KEEPING US TO THE TIME. YES, YES. SO THAT'S PERFECT. YES. JUST READ THE EMAIL. OKAY. SO ARE WE GOOD WITH THE RETREAT? UM, AS FAR AS GENERALLY SPEAKING WE KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. UH, YES. YEAH. YES. OKAY. SO THERE WAS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT UH, WAS PROPOSED BY COMMISSIONER MUELLER. YOU WERE CONSIDERING A WORKING GROUP. WELL, UM, I TALKED TO LAUREN EARLIER TODAY SO I MIGHT HAVE A REVISED, I HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR FUTURE AGENDA. OH, OKAY. YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD. YEAH. AND THIS IS BECAUSE LAST TIME WE HEARD OUR FIRST APPEAL OF A PROPERTY WHO'S HAD BEEN SUSPENDED, UM, WHOSE REGISTRATION HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED. AND SO I WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION SO WE UNDERSTAND HOW A PROPERTY GETS SUSPENDED. LIKE WHAT'S THE PROCESS THAT LEADS TO THAT HAPPENING. AND THEN ALSO IF STAFF COULD SUGGEST WHAT INFORMATION THEY THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER IN HEARING APPEALS, YOU KNOW, COULD BE TIMELINE OR YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OTHER THINGS DO THEY THINK ARE IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER. UM, CUZ MY ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAD BEEN THIS TO CREATE A WORKING GROUP TO COME UP WITH THAT LIST. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A BETTER WAY TO PROCEED TO HEAR FROM STAFF ABOUT HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS, WHAT INFORMATION THEY WOULD BE USEFUL AND THEN WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA ESTABLISH CLEAR [01:45:01] GUIDELINES FOR WHAT INFORMATION YOU WOULD, UM, FOR THOSE CASES BECAUSE THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE WHO WERE PROBABLY GONNA GET OTHER ONES AND YEAH. YOU KNOW, I FELT LIKE THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS I STILL HAD. OKAY. OKAY. SO I THINK I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING COMMISS FRANCIS, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT THEN GIVE OURSELVES THE BANDWIDTH. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION THAT DOESN'T COME AT NINE 50, I'LL IT OUT AND YOU LIKE, AND WE JUST KICK THE BALL DOWN THE ROAD. AND I GUESS THE DIRECTOR STAFF, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF CRITICAL MASS THAT'S GOTTA COME, THEN WE GIVE OURSELVES SOME BANDWIDTH TO TALK TO THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YES, THAT'S GOOD. OR WE YEAH. YEAH. YOU WANT IT TO BE EFFECTIVE? YES. SURE. YES, CHAIR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UM, POINT OUT THAT STAFF BRIEFINGS, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS, UM, AFTER STAFF BRIEFING. SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE TWO AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE TO HAVE STAFF BRIEFING AND THEN A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. IT OKAY. I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL. AND I HAD A LITTLE CONCERN AS FAR AS THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEM AS WELL AND STOP TELLING US WHAT TO CONSIDER BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING THE DECISION, RIGHT. SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE NEUTRAL PARTIES TO THAT EXTENT. WELL, I MEAN MY THOUGHT WAS FIRST WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. UM, WE CAN BRAINSTORM A LIST, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE ON THAT LIST. AND THEN, THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION IN EITHER WE DON'T HAVE TIME, WE COULD HAVE A WORKING GROUP. UM, LAUREN WAS KIND OF DISCOURAGING ME FROM GOING THAT ROUTE BECAUSE THAT CAN TAKE A LOT LONGER THAN ANYTHING. YES. AND IT MIGHT NOT BE. SO WE NEED TO HAVE A THIRD ITEM SO THAT WE THEN HAVE THE DISCUSSION OR WE DECIDE TO HAVE A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND WORKING GROUP. YEAH. THE WORKING GROUP ALMOST LIKE THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND MIGHT NOT BE. SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE INFORMATION. YES, YES. I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. IT ONE IN STAFF PRESENTATION, ANOTHER IS STAFF'S SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT INFORMATION WE SHOULD THOSE WILL BE TOGETHER AND THEN WILL, I GUESS IT COULD BE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ONE SEPARATE ITEM WOULD BE FOR US TO EITHER DISCUSS OR IF WE DON'T HAVE TIME, WE COULD DECIDE THAT WE WANNA WORK GROUP. BUT I'M ALSO GONNA BE ROLLING OFF THE COMMISSION, SO. OH REALLY? YEAH. SO I KNOW. GREAT. . OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER BERGER HAS SOMETHING. THANK YOU. CHAIR. YES. I, THIS IS MY DEEP EMBARRASSMENT SECRET. WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE A WORKING GROUP FOR THE REPEAT OF THUNDER PROGRAM. WE ALREADY HAD IT. WE HAVE ONE. OH, WE HAVE NEVER MET AND SO WE HAVE NEVER PRESENTED OUR FINDINGS TO THE COMMISSION, SO WE ARE NOT SOLVED YET. , WHAT'S THAT? SO CAN WE SHUT YOUR NOT EAST AUSTIN WITH MAYBE NOT QUITE THAT FAR BACK PROBLEM, LIKE EARLY PART OF THE PANDEMIC. WE, WE'VE FARED THIS'S AND I THINK YOU VOLUNTEERED AND I REMEMBER, I HOPE I COULD WELL UP HERE. I BUT THAT WOULD MIGHT BE THE EASIEST WAY TO RESURRECT IT. RIGHT. SO, UM, CHAIR THEN, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST HAVING ONE ITEM FOR STAFF BRIEFING AND THEIR PROPOSAL. WHAT INFORMATION IS MOST PERTINENT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE FIELDS. UM, SECOND ITEM DISCUSSION. AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM COULD BE, UM, APPOINTING NEW MEMBERS TO THE WORKING GROUP. MM-HMM. UM, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS WILL BE LEADING THE COMMISSION YEAH. AND OF NEW YEAR. SO IT COULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. WE COULD DECIDE TO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE AN ITEM, BUT THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF WORKING DISCUSSION ITEM, RIGHT. LIKE A DISCUSSION TO, TO SEE IF WE WANNA KEEP THE WORKING GROUP TO BEGIN WITH. AND THEN IF PEOPLE WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO BE PART OF THAT WORKING GROUP AND, AND I CAN, UM, I CAN GO FIND OUT IF WE ACTUALLY NEED TO HAVE COMMISSION DISCUSSION TO CHANGE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS OR IF THAT CAN JUST BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS INFORMALLY BY THE CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COUNSEL. BUT THE APPEAL INFORMATION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS RO O P SUSPENSION SPECIFIC, RIGHT? IT'S NOT OTHER APPEALS. YEAH, IT'S JUST ABOUT THE SUSPENSION. OKAY. YEAH. AND ALL THAT IS COVERED IN THE RETREAT AS WELL, IN A WAY. SO, BUT BECAUSE YEAH, THE RETREAT COVERS IT VERY WELL, I THINK. AND YOU GET TO TAKE A PACKET. YEAH, I HAVE THAT. YOU HAVE A HAND. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. SO WE'LL CONSIDER THAT, UM, IN, ON THE FUTURE AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. OKAY. RIGHT [01:50:01] NOTES. AND HOW SOON DO YOU GOING THROUGH THAT? SORRY? HOW SOON DO YOU WANT THAT ON THE AGENDA? UM, THE NEXT MEETING IS JANUARY. JANUARY. WE CAN DO THAT IN JANUARY THE TIME NOW. AND THEN OH, SORRY. THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE OH, YOU'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? YEAH, JUST A FEW MINUTES. SO YEAH, NO BIG PRECIPITATION. OKAY. SO JANUARY SOUNDS GOOD. AND WE ARE GOING TO, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, WE'LL LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING. I MEAN WE LIKE TO ADJOURN. , WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? LIKE THE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE MS. ALLEN? UM, NOT THAT I KNOW OF. DO YOU HAVE ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OH, NO. NOTHING AT ALL. THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT FOLLOW UP. ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WILL BE LEAVING IN BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND APRIL. YES. UM, WE'LL HAVE NEW MEMBERS COMING ON BOARD SOMETIME IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. PARDON? THANK YOU FOR OH, YOU'RE WELCOME. GREAT. YOU YEAH, THANK MARLENE THERE. SHE TALKED ME INTO IT. I WAS JUST GONNA GET CHIEF AND CRACKERS. WELL CLOSE TO TONIGHT. , WE'RE GONNA CLOSE TO TONIGHT'S MEETING AND I'M SUPPOSED TO USE THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE TIME IS SIX 50. OH GOSH. IT 8, 8 33. WE DID BREAK TODAY. PULL OUT THE, DON'T YOU GIMME ME. NO, GET THAT HEAD ON THE, WHEN YOU GET HERE WE'RE GOING ROCK SOME MORE. WELL, IT'S DARK OUTTA AS LONG. I DON'T CARE IF I EVER GET A HOME. I'M FOR YOU. AT THE END OF THE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.