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[00:00:03]

UM, UH, COMMISSIONER KOFF, IF, IF YOU CAN COME ON CAMERA.

I THINK WE ARE READY TO GO.

JOHN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE COMMISSIONER COFF'S CELL PHONE NUMBER? WANNA TEXT HIM AND ASK HIM TO, UH, GET ON CAMERA? ? THOSE ARE STILL THE RULES, RIGHT? YEAH.

HE NEEDS TO BE ON CAMERA.

.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY COULD CALL HIM, REALLY? OR TEXT HIM TO DIANA'S CAMERA.

YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS HIS PHONE NUMBER.

OH GOSH.

MAYBE IF WE ALL WISH REALLY HARD, JOHN WILL HEAR US.

JUST KIDDING.

OH, YAY.

YAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, STAY ON JOHN.

OH, STAY ON JOHN.

WE NEED EVERYBODY TO STAY ON CAMERA.

YOU CAN'T HEAR? WHAT'S THAT? CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ANYTHING? OH, OKAY.

ME NEITHER.

SO NOBODY ON CAMERA CAN HEAR US.

YEAH.

MIKE CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING.

I, I HEAR YOU, BUT I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING ELSE.

YOU GOT THAT? I THINK HE'S WORKING ON IT.

OKAY.

SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.

SORRY GUYS.

IS THERE A TIME WHEN WE SHOULD TEST THIS OUT? IS THAT ? OKAY.

OKAY.

WELL, THERE'S, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S AN ECHO NOW, NOW .

UM, IS THAT, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW? ALRIGHT, GOOD.

UH, I'M GONNA GET STARTED IF EVERYTHING ELSE IS OKAY.

WHEW.

ALRIGHT.

UM, WELCOME

[CALL TO ORDER]

TO THE FIRST AUSTIN PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING OF 2023.

UM, WE WILL, UH, START BY, I GUESS, CONVENING AND CALLING.

NOT REALLY CALLING THE ROLE, BUT YEAH.

CALLING THE ROLE.

UM, COMMISSIONER KOFF HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? NO.

UM, COMMISSIONER CIERA HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER WEBBER.

I'M HERE.

UH, COM.

UM, VICE CHAIR, UH, RAMIREZ HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOWEN HERE.

[00:05:01]

UM, AND THAT SHOULD BE IT FOR TODAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND WE WILL START WITH PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

UM, IS MR. LEON AVAILABLE? THAT'S, HE IS NOT THAT SPECIAL.

OH, THAT'S THE LAST MEETING.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S START WITH, UH, CHRIS HARRIS.

YES, IT'S OKAY.

LET'S DO, UM, WILL IT BE BOTH CHRIS HARRIS AND MS. GONZALEZ? YES.

IT'S OKAY.

THERE JUST TO BE ONE AND ONE.

UM, CAN WE HAVE YOU GO OVER FIRST? YEAH.

YOU COULD EACH HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES, BUT NOT THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

JUST SO WE WOULD CALL HER AFTER CHRIS.

OKAY.

UM, HI, UH, MY NAME IS CHRIS HARRIS, UH, AND I'M HERE, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION, UM, SUPPORTING, UM, THE FAMILY DEMANDS, UH, FROM, UH, THE FAMILY OF ALEX GONZALEZ JR.

UM, TO SEE THE OFFICERS THAT, UH, THAT KILLED HIM, UH, TWO YEARS AGO, UH, FIRED, UH, FROM THE AUSTIN POLICE FORCE.

UM, THESE OFFICERS WERE RECENTLY, UH, THE, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY FAILED TO SECURE AN INDICTMENT, UH, IN THE CASE, UH, AS OF, UH, LATE DECEMBER, DECEMBER 27TH.

AND THAT KICKED OFF, UH, A TIMER, UH, OF 30 DAYS UPON WHICH NOW THE CITY, IN PARTICULAR, THE POLICE CHIEF HAS TO IMPART INTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE DISCIPLINE ON A PART OF THE CITY, UH, IN THE CASE.

UM, AND AGAIN, WHAT I'M HERE TO DO TODAY IS TO, TO ECHO THE CALL AND, AND BE IN SOLIDARITY WITH, UH, THE FAMILY OF ALEX GONZALEZ JR.

AND CALLING FOR CHIEF CHACON, UH, TO FIRE THESE OFFICERS.

UM, SPECIFICALLY, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE CASE, UM, THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO POLICIES THAT ARE CLEARLY, UM, NEED REVIEW AS IT RELATES TO, UM, AREAS WHERE IT'S LIKELY THAT, UH, IF NOT DEFINITE, THAT THE POLICE VIOLATED THOSE POLICIES AND, UH, SUBJECT TO THEIR, THEIR, THEIR FIRING.

UM, ONE IS THE, THE DUTY TO IDENTIFY, UH, FOR WHICH WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE GIVEN THAT THE INITIAL OFFICER WAS OFF DUTY.

HOWEVER, THAT DUTY TO IDENTIFY STILL APPLIES.

UH, WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THE OFFICER DID IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AT ANY POINT, UH, IN THEIR INTERACTION WITH ALEX GONZALEZ JR.

AND THEN THE SECONDLY, OBVIOUSLY IS IN, IS IN THE RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE, UH, WHICH CALLS FOR THE LEAST RE USE OF FORCE NECESSARY TO SECURE COMPLIANCE FOR A PARTICULAR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE.

AND WHAT WE SEE IN THIS CASE IS, IS OBVIOUSLY THAT, UM, THE OFFICERS, UM, TWO DIFFERENT OFFICERS, UH, UH, FIRED.

THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY FIRED UPON ALEX GONZALEZ JR.

AND, UM, AND, AND THE SECOND TIME, THE, THE SHOTS THAT KILLED HIM WERE, AS HE REACHED INTO THE BACKSEAT TO, TO CHECK ON HIS INFANT CHILD.

AND, AND SO AGAIN, THE CLOCK IS NOW TICKING.

WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER, A LITTLE LESS THAN THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE DEADLINE.

AND SO WE ARE CALLING UPON CHIEF CHACON AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO SEE THAT THESE OFFICERS ARE FIRED AND, AND OUR, IN OUR POSITIVE THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC ISSUE OF PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN.

UH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THESE OFFICERS, UH, HAVE THE, THE IMMENSE POWERS OF POLICING AT THEIR DISPOSAL.

UM, AND, AND TO MY MIND, THIS INCIDENT MAKES CLEAR THAT THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH THOSE POWERS.

UM, AND, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN BEFORE, UH, WHERE, UH, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, UH, PREVIOUS LEADERSHIP OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, FAILED TO DISCIPLINE, UH, OFFICER TAYLOR, UH, FOLLOWING HIS KILLING OF MAURICE DESILVA.

AND LESS THAN A YEAR LATER, UH, OFFICER TAYLOR KILLED SOMEONE ELSE IN THIS, THIS CASE, MIKE RAMOS.

AND, AND WE CERTAINLY FEAR, UH, THAT, UH, ONE OR BOTH OF THESE OFFICERS, IF PUT IN A SIMILAR SITUATION, MIGHT VERY WELL DO SOMETHING AGAIN, UH, WHICH, UH, VIOLATES DEFINITELY THE POLICIES OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO JUST THE MORALS AND VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY, UH, THAT HAVE LEFT THE YOUNG MAN DEAD.

AND THE SIMPLE FACT IS HE SHOULD NOT BE DEAD.

AND, AND THIS IS OUR LAST AVENUE FOR REAL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THOSE RESPONSIBLE, UH, IS ENSURING THAT THE POLICE CHIEF FIRED THESE OFFICERS.

UM, AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL, UH, I'LL END MY REMARKS AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

UH, THANK YOU MR. HARRIS.

MS. GONZALEZ, I CAN'T GO TO EXPRESS HOW HURT I AM.

I CAN'T EVEN TALK CUZ I'M SO HURT.

WHAT THEY DID TO MY SON.

THEY MURDERED HIM.

THEY DIDN'T KILL HIM.

THEY MURDERED HIM.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BULLETS HE ADDED HIM? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BULLETS I DO? I KNOW HOW MANY BULLETS.

I KNOW WHERE ALL THE BULLETS WERE IN HIS BODY.

THEY DIDN'T CARE.

THEY MURDERED HIM.

THEY MURDERED MY SON.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

[00:10:01]

GUTTI AND SOTO UNDER IT DOESN'T MATTER.

MY SON PROBABLY THOUGHT THAT SORATO WAS, HE WAS IN GREAT BECAUSE THEY WERE PRO.

HE SAW THE COPS THAT HE THOUGHT HE WAS GETTING PROTECTED.

THEY MURDERED MY SON.

AND I WILL NOT QUIT SAYING THAT BECAUSE GUTIERREZ IS AALTO, THEY NEED TO LOSE THEIR JOBS AND NEVER HOLD A GUN EVER AGAIN IN THEIR LIFE.

THAT'S ONE OF MY, TWO OF MY DEMANDS.

FOR REAL.

NE THEY DON'T ALLOW IT TO BE COPS BECAUSE THE GUTIERREZ HAS GOTTEN IN TROUBLE BEFORE WITH THIS.

BUT AIN'T NOBODY SAYING NOTHING, OKAY? THIS IS, THIS TIME HE JUST WENT TOO FAR, TOO FAR AND MURDERED MY SON.

I'M NOT GONNA GO AWAY.

I'M NOT GONNA GO AWAY.

AND I WILL MAKE A BIG THING OUT OF IT.

COMMUNITY.

I GOT A LOT OF COMMUNITY MORE THAN THE COPS DO RIGHT NOW.

I'M TELLING YOU.

HUH? I OWN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW.

Y'ALL DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S WHY THEY AIN'T CALLING Y'ALL.

WHY? BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST NO COPS.

WHY? LOOK AT WHAT Y'ALL DID.

Y'ALL HURT PEOPLE, INNOCENT PEOPLE, INNOCENT FATHER.

I MISS MY SON.

I CAN NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN.

NEVER.

I CAN'T EVEN HOLD HIM.

HE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT FEELS.

I'M MY SISTER SUPPOSED TO BURY ME, NOT ME.

BURY HIM.

I'M JUST SO ANGRY.

THIS IS NOT RIGHT.

NOT RIGHT AT ALL.

I SHOULD NOT BE HERE RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF YOU.

BUT I AM BECAUSE THEY MURDERED MY SON AND I'M GONNA BE HIS VOICE AND I WILL NOT SHUT UP.

I WILL NOT SHUT UP.

I WILL POST THE OTHER VIDEOS THAT I GOT THAT Y'ALL DIDN'T PUT OUT.

I WILL PUT HIM OUT MYSELF AND SHOW THE PUBLIC WHAT'S GOING ON.

WHAT Y'ALL HIDING? CUZ Y'ALL HIDING OKAY.

FOR ONE, STEROIDS B WAS ON STEROIDS.

Y'ALL DIDN'T EVEN TEST HIM FOR THAT.

HE WAS ON STEROIDS.

DO YOU KNOW THAT? I KNOW THAT THE WAY HE WAS ACTING, HE JUST CAME OUTTA THE GYM ALL PUMPED UP.

RIDING AROUND.

LIKE HE LIKE, OH, I JUST KILLED SOMEBODY.

REALLY? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MENTALLY HURT.

NOT JUST OOH, WALK AROUND LIKE, IT'S OKAY.

I JUST SHOT IT AT HIM.

YOU KNOW MY SON WAS NOT TRASH.

ANOTHER THING LET YOU KNOW, THEY HANDCUFFED BY, HE WAS, WHY DID THEY HANDCUFFED HIM THAT? WHY DID THEY HANDCUFF? HE WAS ALL, THEY HANDCUFFED HIM TO ON HIS BACK.

AND I SAW THAT IN THE VIDEO.

WAS PROTOCOL AT WHERE WAS HUH? WHERE WAS THAT? MY SON SHOOT.

IN MY LIFE, HE WAS MY PROTECTOR.

HE WAS EVERYTHING TO ME.

NOW Y'ALL BROKE A FAMILY.

HE WAS FOUR.

NOW IT'S THREE.

YOU DUNNO WHAT YOU DID TO MY FAMILY.

YOU DESTROYED MY FAMILY.

Y'ALL DESTROYED MY FAMILY.

NOW I DON'T EVEN TRUST THE, AND THAT'S SAD.

CAUSE I USED TO BUY ALL THE, BUY ALL THE RULES AND ALL THE LAWS AND NOW Y'ALL CAN'T EVEN HELP ME.

I WILL HAVE NO FAITH IN THE LAW AT ALL.

SO Y'ALL GOTTA HELP ME AND PUT THESE GUYS AWAY OR TAKE THEIR LICENSE AWAY AND NOT BE TRIGGERED HAPPY OR ON STEROIDS.

BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE TELL ME, AUSTIN A P D, ALL THE COPS ARE ON STEROIDS.

NO ANSWER BECAUSE I GUESS I'M RIGHT.

ALL THE ATTORNEYS, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.

FROM NEW YORK, WHEREVER, ALL AUSTIN A P D, THAT'S HOW THEY SEE US AS ON STEROIDS.

IS THAT HOW YOU WANNA SEE THEM? TO SEE AUSTIN? A P D.

OKAY.

WELL I WILL PUT IT OUT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT JUST, NO, I MIGHT NOT BE A NOBODY, BUT GUESS WHAT? I KNOW MORE THAN YOU OUT THERE IN THE STREETS TELL YOU THAT MUCH SURE DO.

AND WHAT Y'ALL DID WAS WRONG.

AND IF YOU DON'T FIX THIS BECAUSE Y'ALL MESSED UP.

NOT MY SON.

JUST CAUSE HE WAS A FELON THAT DAY.

GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AT THE MOMENT, AT THE TIME, WHAT HE DID WAS MURDERED MY SON INTO AN ONGOING VEHICLE.

THAT'S WHAT HE DID.

THAT'S WHAT HE DID.

AND HE MURDERED MY SON.

AND IF YOU WANNA SEE THE VIDEOS, I'LL SHOW YOU THE ONES I GOT THAT AIN'T CUT OUT.

WHAT Y'ALL DID TO THE VIDEOS.

Y'ALL F****D YS UP.

I'LL TELL YOU FROM BEGINNING TO END WHAT HAPPENED.

I'LL TELL YOU CUZ I SAW IT ALL.

I SAW IT ALL BECAUSE THE WITNESSES CAME UP TO ME AND GAVE ME THE VIDEOS.

WHAT YOU GOT? THAT'S ALL YOU GOT.

I GOT MORE THAN YOU, SO YOU BETTER TAKE ME SERIOUS.

I'M NOT PLAYING AND I'M NOT GONNA STOP.

I'M THE VOICE OF MY SON AND I WILL NOT STOP.

I'M SORRY.

I'M SO F*****G THANK YOU MRS. GONZALEZ.

UM, SO WE'RE

[1. Approve the minutes of the PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION REGULAR CALLED MEETING on November 7, 2022 and December 5, 2022. ]

GONNA MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

UM, WE ONLY HAVE THE, UM, MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 7TH, 2022.

IF

[00:15:01]

Y'ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.

UM, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE NOVEMBER 7TH MINUTES? UM, SO WE WE CAN TAKE THEM AS DEEMED.

OH, WE HAVE TO CALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO WE GONNA VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, EVERYONE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? UH, I THIS IS A ROLL CALL.

THIS IS SO MUCH FUN.

I FORGET HOW MUCH FUN IT IS EVERY TIME.

UH, VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ? UH, YES.

UM, COMMISSIONER KOFF.

I WAS ABSENT.

ALL ABSTAIN.

OH, THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, RIGHT? HE'S ABSTAINING FROM THE VOTE, BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE SIX VOTES.

WE'LL POSTPONE IT.

YEAH.

UM, OKAY, WE'LL JUST POSTPONE, UM, UH, BOTH SETS OF MINUTES UNTIL NEXT TIME.

OH, WOOHOO.

UM, UH, SO

[2. Public Safety Quarterly Report, Austin Police Department]

LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM, THE PUBLIC SAFETY QUARTERLY REPORT FROM THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? FAIRLY, IS THAT, UH, A LITTLE BETTER? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, THAT'S BETTER.

OKAY.

UM, I, UH, KNOW THERE'S A, UH, LOT ON THE AGENDA, SO I WILL BE BRIEF, UH, GETTING THROUGH THE SLIDES, BUT, UH, DEFINITELY WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

UH, SHOULD THERE BE ANY, UH, WE CONTINUE TO WORK, UH, TOWARDS A PROPOSAL FOR A, UH, UPDATED, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, THAT, UH, STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON.

AND WE WILL HAVE TO THE CHIEF, UH, FOR REVIEW.

AND, UH, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE BEING, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH OUR CURRENT FORMAT.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, LOOKING AT, UH, YEAR END, UH, FOR 2022, UH, THERE WAS AN OVERALL 5% DECREASE IN CRIME, UM, 16%, UH, LESS HOMICIDES FOR THE YEAR.

UH, BUT WE DID SEE A, UH, INCREASE IN, UH, NEGLIGENT, UH, MANSLAUGHTER, UH, BY THREE CASES.

OVERALL THOUGH, CRIME, UH, AGAINST PERSON WAS DOWN, UH, 6%.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

IN CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY, WE SAW A SIMILAR TREND, UH, THAT, UH, BEING DOWN ABOUT 6% OVERALL FOR 2022 AS COMPARED TO 2021.

UH, THE, UH, CRIMES OF NOTE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, UH, YEAR THOUGH WAS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, UH, IN PARTICULARLY THE THEFT RELATED CRIMES THEFT FROM BUILDING, WHICH WAS A OVERALL 77%, UH, THEFT FROM COIN RELATED, I'M SORRY, COIN OPERATED MACHINES AS WELL AS, UH, VEHICLE BURGLARIES.

UH, THOSE WERE, UH, THE DRIVING FORCES BEHIND CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY, BUT STILL, OVERALL WE WERE DOWN, UH, 6%.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, UH, WE SAW AN OVERALL INCREASE OF, UH, 16%, UH, 23%, UH, BEING DRIVEN BY DRUG VIOLATIONS AND, UH, OVERALL WEAPONS VIOLATIONS UP AT 18% CAUSING THE OVERALL CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY INCREASE OF 16%.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

OVERALL, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, CASE CLEARANCES FOR CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS.

UH, 719 CASES, UH, WERE CLEARED.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, SIMILAR, UH, FOR CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY OVERALL CRIMES, WE HAD 419 CRIMES CLEARED.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, THERE WAS A TOLL, UH, OF 540.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, LOOKING AT OUR OVERALL, UH, RESPONSE TO P ZERO AND P ONE, WHICH ARE EMERGENCY AND URGENT CALLS, UH, WE DID, UM, SEE A CITYWIDE TARGET OF, UH, 10 MINUTES, 44 SECONDS.

UH, OVERALL FOR THE THREE, UH, TWO OF THE THREE MONTHS, WE WERE RIGHT, UH, NEAR OR A LITTLE BIT BELOW THAT CITYWIDE TARGET.

UM, THE, UH, LOWEST MONTH WAS THAT OF OCTOBER, WHERE WE WERE A LITTLE OVER OUR CITY TARGET, UH, CITYWIDE TARGET AT 11 MINUTES AND 11 SECONDS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THIS IS JUST A BREAKDOWN OF COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND THE CALL VOLUME AND OVERALL

[00:20:01]

RESPONSE TIMES.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT THE VOLUME, UH, FOR EMERGENCY CALLS AT P ZERO AND OUR URGENT CALL P ONE, WHICH WAS RELATIVELY CONSISTENT THROUGH ALL THREE MONTHS OF THE QUARTER.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS OUR A, UH, OVERTIME BUDGET, UH, AS COMPARED TO BUDGETED VERSUS ACTUAL OVERTIME.

AND YOU CAN SEE OUR EXPENDITURES WERE, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT UNDER BUDGET FOR THE QUARTER.

NEXT SLIDE.

OVERALL PERSONNEL EXPENDITURES, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 AT 338 MILLION.

UM, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY SITTING AT ABOUT 23% OF OUR BUDGETS BEEN AT 77 OR JUST SHY OF 77 MILLION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND THIS IS JUST AN OVERALL LOOK AT OVERTIME EXPENDITURES FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, TO WHICH YOU CAN SEE A CONTINUED OVERTIME EXPENDITURE AS COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED FOR BUDGET.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

OVERALL, WE ARE SITTING AT 249, UH, OPERATIONAL VACANCIES, AND THAT IS AT THE END OF THE FISCAL, I'M SORRY, AT THE END OF THE YEAR FOR 2022, UH, WITH, UH, 1,577 FIELD POSITIONS OUT OF UNAUTHORIZED COMPLIMENT OF 1812.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

OUR CIVILIAN STAFFING LEVELS.

UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, 520, UH, NINE POSITIONS FIELD, WHICH DO INCLUDE OUR CADETS IN OUR TEMPORARY POSITIONS.

WE ARE SITTING WITH THE, UH, VACANCIES OF 140 POSITIONS, WHICH INCLUDE FOUR AUTHORIZED INTERN POSITIONS FOR A TOTAL, UH, COMPLIMENT OF 669.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, WHAT COULD, UH, CONTINUES TO BE A FOCUS IS TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS FILLING OUR STAFFING LEVELS, PARTICULARLY IN OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

UH, YOU CAN SEE OVERALL WE HAVE 223 AUTHORIZED POSITIONS.

UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY SITTING AT 69 VACANT POSITIONS WITH THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE BEING OUT OF OUR 9 1 1 OPERATORS AND OUR POLICE DISPATCHERS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND, UH, THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT THE, UH, END OF, UH, 2022 AS WELL AS BEING A 2023, UH, CADET CLASSES.

THE HUNDRED 45TH CLASS WE GRADUATED ON NOVEMBER 18TH.

UH, WE STARTED OUT WITH 84 AND WE GRADUATED 55, UH, CADET CLASS 1 46, WHICH WAS OUR TRANSITIONAL OFFICER PROGRAM, ALL DID GRADUATE, UH, BEING OUT OF EIGHT OFFICERS, UH, HIRED AND EIGHT OFFICERS GRADUATED.

THE 147TH ACADEMY IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, WHICH STARTED IN LATE OCTOBER WITH 55 CADETS.

WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 41, AND THEN WE ARE GETTING READY AT THE END OF THIS YEAR TO START, UH, I'M SORRY, THE END OF THIS MONTH WITH ACADEMY 1 48.

UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 38 CADETS, UH, PREDICTED TO START ON THE 30TH OF THIS MONTH.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND THIS IS JUST A YEAR OVER.

UH, LOOK AT OUR SWORN COMPLIMENT AUTHORIZATIONS.

NEXT SLIDE.

I'M SORRY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND LOOKING AT OUR SEPARATIONS, UH, WE WERE PRETTY CONSISTENT BETWEEN FISCAL YEAR 20 20, 20 21 AND 2022.

UM, BUT WE DID SEE A SLIGHT DECREASE AS COMPARED ON FIF, UH, SORRY, FISCAL YEAR 2022 AS COMPARED TO 2021.

AND FOR THE, UH, FIRST QUARTER OF FISCAL YEAR 2023, WE HAVE CURRENT, I'M SORRY, WE HAVE 24 SEPARATIONS FOR THE QUARTER.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THOSE ARE BEING DRIVEN BY RETIREMENTS AND RESIGNATIONS.

ZERO, UH, TERMINATIONS OR ZERO DEATHS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND THAT WAS A, UH, VERY FAST, UM, BUT TRYING TO BE CONCISE FOR, UH, PRESERVATION OF TIME.

SO I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

UM, YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

I, WELL, I HOPE THEY'RE QUICK.

UM, THE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERTIME BUDGETED VERSUS ACTUAL OVERTIME,

[00:25:01]

THAT'S $6,378,624.

DO YOU, IT IT WOULD BE GREAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THIS FIGURE NOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET A SENSE OF HOW MANY HOURS OF, UM, POLICE TIME THAT ACTUALLY IS AND OVER HOW MANY OFFICERS, UM, THAT TIME WAS SPENT.

UM, IT JUST, I THINK IT WOULD JUST HELP PUT SOME, SOME, SOME BODIES AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, HELP THE PUBLIC AND ME IN PARTICULAR JUST GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT REPRESENTS.

I KNOW WE, WE'VE GOT DOLLARS, BUT JUST LIKE HOW MANY BODIES THAT REALLY REPRESENTS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, UM, WAS WITH REGARDS TO THESE CADET CLASSES, UM, AND THE SIZES OF THESE CADET CLASSES, I REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE WERE REAUTHORIZING OR WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL WAS REAUTHORIZING, UM, THE CADET CLASSES TO GET STARTED AGAIN, THERE WERE ESTIMATES OF ABOUT 75 CADETS PER CLASS.

IS THERE A REASON WHY THE, THE, THE CLASS SIZES ARE, ARE SMALLER? THAT I MEAN BY, I MEAN BY A THIRD AT LEAST IT SEEMS SOME OF THEM.

SO IS IT, IS THERE AN EXPLANATION FOR THE SMALLER CLASS? MA'AM, THIS CHIEF HENDERSON? I CAN ANSWER THAT.

MM-HMM.

.

YEAH, SO THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING FOR EACH CADET CLASS HAS NOT BEEN WHAT IT WAS PRIOR TO OUR PREDICTIONS.

AND SO WE'RE ONLY RECEIVING ABOUT MAYBE THREE QUARTERS TO ABOUT, YEAH, THREE QUARTERS TO MAYBE A HALF OF THE APPLICANTS THAT WE WOULD STANDARDLY HAVE FOR CADET CLASS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE RUNNING CADET CLASSES MORE OFTEN.

AND SO THEREFORE THE APPLICANT POOL DOESN'T BUILD AS MUCH BECAUSE WE ARE STARTING A CLASS ESSENTIALLY EVERY FOUR, FOUR MONTHS.

SO GIVEN THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THEM MORE OFTEN, ARE WE STILL ON TRACK IN TERMS OF THE PROJECTIONS OF OFFICERS? CUZ LIKE I SAID, I REMEMBER THIS WAS MONTHS AGO, SIX MONTHS AGO, A YEAR AGO, THAT THERE WERE ESTIMATES OF ABOUT 75 PER CLASS.

AND SO IS THAT STILL TRACKING LIKE TIME WISE IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING UP OF PERSONNEL OR IS THAT DIFFERENT NOW MA'AM? I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY HAVE TO ADJUST THOSE NUMBERS JUST BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GETTING THE STANDARD AMOUNT OF APPLICANTS THAT WE, THAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING AT THE TIME THAT WE MADE THOSE PROJECTIONS.

AND SO WE ARE BEING AGGRESSIVE WITH OUR RECRUITING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE JUST AREN'T SEEING THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING.

THANK YOU.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? UH, ALRIGHT.

UM, IF NOT, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON

[3. Discussion and possible action on Recommendation regarding counsel at first appearance for all criminal charges in Travis County.]

TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS DISCUSSION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING COUNSEL AT FIRST APPEARANCE FOR ALL CRIMINAL CHARGES IN TRAVIS COUNTY.

UM, COMMISSIONER WEBER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THIS OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO, UM, GO AHEAD? SURE.

THANKS.

SO .

OKAY.

UM, SO AT OUR LAST MEETING, UH, WE HEARD SEVERAL SPEAKERS, UM, TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT, UH, COUNSEL AT FIRST APPEARANCE IS, UM, AND THAT TRAVIS COUNTY DID A PILOT PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, EXPERIMENTING OR TRYING OUT COUNSEL AT FIRST APPEARANCE HERE IN AUSTIN.

YEAH.

UM, UH, I DRAFTED A RECOMMENDATION THAT Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IN ONE OF THE PACKETS.

THE VERY FIRST.

OH, IN THE FIRST? NO, THAT FRIDAY EVENING.

OH, OKAY.

IN THE FRIDAY EVENING PACKET.

UM, REGARDING, UM, THE REASONS WHY, UM, COUNSEL AT FIRST APPEARANCE, UM, IS AN IMPORTANT, UH, POLICY CHANGE FOR AUSTIN AND TRAVIS COUNTY TO MAKE, UM, AND HOW IT WOULD BENEFIT PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, AND THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.

UM, SHOULD WE OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION? ARE THERE ANY, UM, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OR COUNSEL AT FIRST APPEARANCE? I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND IT IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

UH, YOU MEAN SECOND THE MOTION? I DON'T THINK WE'VE, ANYONE'S MOVED, UM, TO VOTE ON IT YET.

OH.

SO WE CAN, WE CAN WAIT ON THAT THAT WELL, UM, YOU WANNA MOVE TO VOTE? I'LL, I'LL MOVE TO VOTE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

UM, VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ HAS MOVED TO VOTE.

UM, DO SECOND.

SO YES.

COMMISSIONER WEBBER HAS MOVED A SECOND.

UM, SO

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NOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A MOTION FOR A VOTE, UM, SHALL I CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT.

UM, CHAIR BERNHARDT IS YES.

VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER KOFF? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER CIERA ALO ABSTAIN.

OH, THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE VOTES.

UM, I I DON'T THINK AN ABSTENTION RUINS QUORUM.

OH, DO WE JUST IT DOESN'T, BUT WE CAN'T GET SIX VOTES.

YOU ONLY NEED A, YOU NEED A MAJORITY OF QUORUM.

A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE PRESENT.

OKAY.

MM-HMM.

, NEVERMIND.

UM, ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER WEBBER.

I VOTE YES ON THE STAFFER RECOMMENDATION.

UM, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE.

UH, VOTE YES.

UH, AND THAT IS IT.

CHAIR, DO WE NEED TO VOTE TO PUT THIS ON COUNSEL'S AGENDA? ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT YOU, YES.

I THINK WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT VOTE ALSO.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS A VOTE, UM, TO PUT THE RECOMMENDATION ON CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE DO THAT.

OKAY.

SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? UM, VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ SECONDS TO THE EXTENT THAT I CAN SEE THROUGH MY FOGGY GLASSES.

YES.

.

UM, ALL RIGHT, SO ANOTHER VOTE.

UM, CHAIR BERNHARDT VOTES.

YES.

VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ.

YES.

UM, COMMISSIONER KOFF? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER CIERA ABADO? YES.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER WEBER? YES.

AND COMMISSIONER HOWEN.

LOOK.

UH, YES.

OKAY.

SO, .

UM, SO, UM, I AM GONNA, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, UH, AND BECAUSE I HAVE SOME CONCERNS, I'M GONNA SKIP THE DISCUSSION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT ACT.

UM, AND WE WILL BRING IT UP ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA, UM, SO WE CAN MOVE

[5. Discussion and possible action on Austin Police Department Towing Fee Study.]

ON TO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE, UH, TOWING THE CITY OF AUSTIN TOWING FEE STUDY.

UM, FINANCIAL DIRECTOR SCHMIDT CALL.

OH, THE TOWING STUDY.

DO I HAVE A BUNCH? OH, YES.

OH, AND I GUESS WE CAN START WITH, I'M SORRY.

UM, WE CAN START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE TOWING STUDY.

I'VE GOT MORE THAN ONE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

UM, SO, UM, JAIME ROCHA, IT'S NOT ON YET.

PRESS A LITTLE HARDER.

THERE WE GO.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, YOU, YOU MAY BEGIN.

MR. ROCHA.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JAIME ROCHA.

I'M WITH, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, UH, ROCHA TOWING AND SPECIAL AUTOMOTIVE, INC.

WE'RE, UH, TOWING COMPANY AND FAMILY OWNED TOWING COMPANY.

UH, BOTH COMPANIES.

UH, WE'VE BEEN, UH, IN THE CITY SINCE, UH, 1997 AND HAVE, UH, PROUDLY BEEN, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, HERE IN IN AUSTIN IN THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES.

AND I'M HERE TO, UH, SPEAK ON BEHALF, UH, UH, THE SUPPORT FOR THE PRICE INCREASE FOR

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THE CITY OF AUSTIN TOW, UH, TOW RATES.

AND, UM, THAT, UH, I'M HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD, UH, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, UH, A STRAIN ON, UH, ON CONTINUING, UH, TO DO BUSINESS, UH, WITH, UH, INFLATION, UM, FUEL COST, UH, LABOR COST OF EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION, EQUIPMENT COST, UH, MAINTENANCE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE, UH, WITH THE EQUIPMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR JOB AND, UH, AND DO IT, UH, THE AUTO INSURANCE, UH, LIABILITY, UH, COST, UM, RENT TO, UM, TO TO HAVE AN OFFICE, UH, MAINTAIN THE VEHICLES, UH, STORED.

AND, UH, THE PROPERTY TAXES AS WELL HAS GONE UP.

UH, I'M SURE WE CAN ALL RELATE TO THAT, UH, THE CONTINUING TRAINING ON THE DRIVERS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE GOOD, COMPETENT DRIVERS.

AND, AND LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE INFLATION FEW COST THEMSELVES.

UH, BACK IN 2019 WHEN WE WERE FIRST, UM, UH, WHEN WE GOT OUR LAST, UH, UH, TOW, UH, RATE INCREASE, UH, WAS ABOUT AN AVERAGE OF $3, UH, OR UNDER $3 THAT HAS GONE UP AND LOOKED AT MY, UH, LAST, UH, INFORMATION THAT I GOT, UH, FROM MY OFFICE.

AND IT'S ABOUT A 69% INCREASE ON OVERALL, UH, ON THE FUEL.

UH, BACK WHEN THE, UH, JUST COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, UH, WHEN THE PRICE WOULD, UH, WAS AT ITS HIGHEST ON THE, UH, PRICE, UH, FOR DIESEL EMPLOYEE.

UH, COMPENSATION IS STILL SOMETHING THAT, UH, ARE STRUGGLING WITH, UH, BEING ABLE TO, UH, HIRE, UH, DRIVERS, UH, STAFF THAT ARE, UH, CAPABLE TO, UH, DO, UH, THESE, UH, UH, THE JOB IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, UH, WE SERVICE THE CITY, UH, ACCORDINGLY.

UH, EQUIPMENT COST, UH, EQUIPMENT COSTS FOR THE TOW TRUCKS AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO DO THE JOB, UH, TO DO IT.

THE SAFEWAY, UH, POSSIBLE HAVE, UH, RECENT, UH, TRUCKS THAT DO NOT BREAK DOWN OR THAT HAVE, UM, UH, GOOD EQUIPMENT ON THEM HAS INCREASED FROM 30 TO 40%, UH, TO BUY A, UH, A NEW TRUCK.

THE INSURANCE INSURANCE, UM, BACK, UH, FROM UH, 2019 TO 2020 HAD INCREASED THAT A 20%.

UM, THE INSURANCE FROM 20 TO 21, UH, YEAH, IT HAD, UH, INCREASED A 15%, UH, FROM 21 TO 22 HAS INCREASED FROM, UH, A 10%.

THAT'S AN OVERALL 45% INCREASE.

UH, ACCORDING TO MY, UM, REPRESENTATIVE THAT DOES THE INSURANCE FOR US.

UH, ALL OF THESE COSTS, UH, WEIGH HEAVILY ON US BEING ABLE TO PERFORM AND CONS AND HAVE, UH, AND HAVE GOOD STAFF TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THE JOB.

UH, WOULD LIKE, COULD YOU CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS, PLEASE? YES.

IF YOU WOULD, THEN I WAS ABOUT TO DO SO.

UM, ANY CONSIDERATION TO THIS MATTER WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

UM, TASHA MORA, THIS FINE? SURE.

LET'S SEE.

OKAY.

IS THE MICROPHONE ON? GOOD, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS TASHA MORA, AND, UM, I OWN, I CO-OWN WITH MY HUSBAND ANA AND RECOVERY.

WE, UH, ALSO PROVIDE, UH, TOWING SERVICES FOR THE AUSTIN AREA.

UM, WE ARE A SMALL FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED, UH, BUSINESS.

UM, WE CELEBRATED OUR 20 20TH YEAR IN BUSINESS, SO WE STARTED IN 2002.

UM, WE PROVIDE THE DON CONSENT, TOWING CONSENT, TOWING, UM, WINCH OUT ALL THINGS RELATED TO TOWING.

UM, AND I, UM, I'M ALSO HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE RATE ADJUSTMENT, UH, AND THE TOFI STUDY.

UM, I WOULD ECHO

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WHAT, UM, MR. HAS PRESENTED TO YOU ALL, AND I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, UM, OUR FIGURES OF THE INCREASE OF WHAT IT'S COST TO OPERATE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT HIS FIGURES.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A 40% TO A 65% INCREASE IN OPERATIONAL COSTS ALONE, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT SERVICE IS.

SO WHETHER IT'S THE TRUCKS OR THE INSURANCE AND SUCH.

BUT I'D LIKE TO ALSO ADD THAT, UM, IT'S GETTING EVEN MORE DIFFICULT.

MR. ROCHA DID SPEAK TO EQUIPMENT COSTS.

SO A TOW TRUCK, UM, HAS GONE UP EXPONENTIALLY, LIKE 40% AN INCREASE ON HOW MUCH THESE TRUCKS ARE COSTING.

BUT NOW YOU CAN'T FIND A TRUCK, SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO BUY NEW EQUIPMENT.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE CAN PLACE AN ORDER FOR EQUIPMENT, BUT WITH THE PANDEMIC HAPPENING AND SUCH, THERE'S JUST A BACKLOG.

YOU CANNOT FIND THE CABIN IN CHASSIS, OR PERHAPS YOU CAN'T FIND THE TOWING UNIT.

AND SO WE ARE ALSO MAINTAINING THE CURRENT UNITS.

AND SO MAINTAINING, UM, UH, THOSE MAINTENANCE COSTS HAVE, HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED AS WELL.

THE INSURANCE ABSOLUTELY HAS INCREASED, AND ACCORDING TO A VERY CREDIBLE, UM, SOURCE, THERE ARE MANY, THE VERY FEW INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT WE'RE COVERING, TOW COMPANIES ARE NOW PULLING OUTTA THE MARKET.

SO THERE'S FEWER AND FEWER INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT WILL BE COVERING THE TOWING INDUSTRY.

SO ONE, IT'S HARD TO FIND AND IT'S VERY TO PURCHASE.

UM, THE TOWING COMPANY HAS JUST BEEN A, A, A LIABILITY.

THERE ARE VEHICLES THAT ARE ASSISTING ON THE ROADWAYS AND THEY'RE BEING STRUCK, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

IT'S JUST THE INSURANCE COST OF JUST INCREASED OR IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TRY TO SECURE IT.

UM, AND WITH THAT, I WOULD TALK ABOUT COMPENSATION.

UM, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN, UM, OUR CURRENT TRAINED TOW OPERATORS, WE HAVE TO BE SURE THAT ONE, THEY'RE TRAINED, BUT TWO, NOW THEY'RE TRAINED IN THE EVER-CHANGING DYNAMICS OF THE VEHICLES.

SO ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND SUCH, UM, HANDLING OF THOSE IS VERY CRITICAL.

UM, THERE'S CASES OF THOSE, UH, VEHICLES CATCHING FIRE ON THE BACK OF TOW TRUCKS, BUT ALSO RECRUITING.

RECRUITING AT OUR CURRENT RATES, AND I WILL WRAP UP.

RECRUITING AT THE CURRENT AVAILABLE RATES IS VERY DIFFICULT, MUCH LESS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT EVERY ONE IN SIX DAYS, A FIRST RESPONDER OR A TOW OPERATOR IS HIT AND STRUCK AND KILLED.

THOSE ARE MASSIVE STATISTICS TO BE ABLE TO SAY, AND YOU HIRE, UM, BY THE WAY, CAN YOU DO THIS WORK WITHOUT AN ADJUSTMENT TO YOUR RATES THE LAST ROUND THAT WE WERE ALLOWED? UM, AND AFFORDED AN ADJUSTMENT.

UM, MY COMPANY SPECIFICALLY PUT THAT RIGHT BACK INTO TRAINING AND TECHNOLOGY AND OUR STAFF, AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THAT AS WELL.

OUR NUMBERS ARE COMING UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION AND THE LACK OF, OF JOB CANDIDATES AND ALSO, UH, EQUIPMENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UM, , I DON'T KNOW WHO Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO START WITH.

YEAH.

UM, I CAN START.

ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL UP THE PRESENTATION PLEASE? AND I'M MICHELLE SCHMIDT.

I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND WITH ME TODAY I HAVE SERGEANT LUER AND LIEUTENANT LICHTER FROM THE HIGHWAY ENFORCEMENT, UM, RECORD DIVISION TO ASSIST WITH ANY, UM, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS IN THE PRESENTATION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, TOWING IS VITAL TO MAINTAINING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR CITY.

WITHOUT TOWING SERVICES, AUSTIN WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME FUNCTIONING, AND THE ROADWAYS, UM, TOWING SERVICES ARE NECESSARY FOR ALL OF THE REASONS LISTED HERE.

UM, TOWING DISABLED CRASHES AND BROKEN DOWN VEHICLES, IMPOUNDING VEHICLES LEFT AFTER ARREST, REMOVING JUNKED VEHICLES AND ABANDONED VEHICLES, TOWING ILLEGALLY PARKED AND TOW AND HOLD IMPOUNDED VEHICLES INVOLVED IN POLICE INVESTIGATIONS AT A SECURE FACILITY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UM, I, PER THE CITY OF AUSTIN ORDINANCE, UM, THE RECORD COMPANIES ARE ABLE TO REQUEST A TOWING FEE STUDY.

THE TOFI STUDY IS A STUDY TO DETERMINE THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF NON-CONSENT TOES ORIGINATING IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, INCLUDING THE CONSIDERATION OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE CITY BY THE TOWING COMPANIES THAT REQUESTED THE STUDY.

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THE HISTORY OF OUR NON-CONSENT TOWING FEES.

UM, IN JANUARY, 1989, THE NON-CONSENT TOWING FEE WAS $55.

THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN 1996 IN 2001 IN 2006, AND

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THE LAST ONE WAS IN 2019 WITH A 23% INCREASE FROM THE PRIOR FEE, BRINGING THE NON-CONSENT TOWING FEE SINCE OCTOBER OF 2019 TO $185.

CONSENT VERSUS NON-CON, OH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

CONSENT VERSUS NON-CONSENT TOWING FEES.

CONSENT MEANS A TOW TOWING OF A MOTOR VEHICLE INITIATED BY THE OWNER OPERATOR OF THE VEHICLE, OR BY A PERSON WHO HAS POSSESSION, CUSTODY, OR CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE.

NON-CONSENT TOES MEANS A TOW THAT'S NON, NOT A CONSENT TOW.

AND THE TOWING FEE REQUEST IS FOR THE FOLLOWING NON-CONSENT TOES, ANY TYPE OF POLICE IMPOUND WHERE A TOW TRUCK IS SUMMONED TO THE SCENE.

CRASH SCENES, PRIVATE PROPERTY IMPOUND, AND OTHER THAN PRIVATE PROPERTY IMPOUNDS.

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TYPES OF VEHICLE TOES AND ASSOCIATED FEES.

WE HAVE LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD VEHICLE WITH A TOTAL GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT OF 10,000 POUNDS OR LESS.

MEDIUM DUTY VEHICLE, WHICH IS AN EXCESS OF 10,000 POUNDS, BUT LESS THAN 25,999 POUNDS AND HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES, WHICH ARE IN EXCESS OF 25,999 POUNDS.

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TOWING FEE STUDY METHODOLOGY.

SO THE CITY OF AUSTIN UTILIZED FOUR DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES AS PART OF THIS TOWING FEE STUDY.

ONE, WE CONSIDERED FINANCIAL INFORMATION FROM THE TOWING COMPANIES PER THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

ORDINANCE TWO, WE CONSIDERED THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

THREE, WE DID A SURVEY OF THE AUSTIN METROPOLITAN AREA FOR FEE COMPARISONS, AND THEN FOR THE TEXAS LARGE CITY FEE COMPARISON, WHERE AUSTIN IS THE FOURTH LARGEST CITY IN THIS SURVEY.

NEXT SLIDE.

FOR THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION FROM TOWING COMPANIES REQUESTING THIS STUDY.

UM, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE TOWING COMPANIES TODAY, THEY REQUESTED THE FEE INCREASE, UM, INCLUDE CONSIDERATION OF THE EXTENUATING COST INCREASES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH FUEL COSTS, LABOR COST, EQUIPMENT COST, MAINTENANCE OF EQUIPMENT, INSURANCE, RENT, PROPERTY TAXES, TRAINING AND INFLATION.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION FROM THE TOWING COMPANIES REQUESTING THE STUDY.

SO THE FIRST COLUMN, AND I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ ON THE SCREEN, SO THIS WAS PROVIDED AS BACKUP DOCUMENTATION AND, UM, HOPEFULLY PUBLISHED THIS AFTERNOON.

UM, IT DOES SHOW THE LIST OF ALL OF THE NON-CONSENT TOWING FEES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S FEE SCHEDULE.

THE NEXT COLUMN IS THE CURRENT FEE, AND THEN THE COLUMN IN GREEN IS THE AMOUNT THAT THE TOWING COMPANIES WILL RISK THOSE FEES TO BASED OFF OF, UM, THE REQUEST IN THE TOW FEE STUDY REQUEST.

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THE SECOND METHODOLOGY USED WAS THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS CPI.

CPI IS A MEASURE OF THE AVERAGE CHANGE OVER TIME IN THE PRICE PAID BY URBAN CONSUMERS FOR A MARKET BASKET OF CONSUMER GOODS AND SERVICES.

THE CPI FROM JANUARY, 2019 TO NOVEMBER, 2022 INCREASED 13.8584% AT AN AVERAGE RATE OF 4.45% PER YEAR BASED ON DATA FROM THE US BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS.

USING THE CPI INCREASE SINCE 2019, AUSTIN'S $185 NON-CONSENT TOWING FEE WOULD NOW EQUAL $215.

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THIS IS THE SAME CHART THAT WE SAW, UM, UNDER METHODOLOGY ONE WHERE THE RECORD COMPANIES REQUESTED THEIR PROPOSED FEE INCREASE.

THIS IS, UM, WHAT THE PROPOSED FEE WOULD BE STRICTLY BASED OFF OF AN INCREASE IN CPI FOR THOSE SAME FEES, UM, ALONGSIDE THE CURRENT FEE.

SO THE GREEN HIGHLIGHTED COLUMN IS THE PROPOSED FEE BASED OFF OF THE INCREASE IN CPI.

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THE THIRD METHODOLOGY USED WAS THE AUSTIN AUSTIN METROPOLITAN AREA.

UM, TRAVIS COUNTY, THE, IN 2018, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OF TRAVIS COUNTY APPROVED AN INCREASE IN NON-CONSENT TOWING FEES FROM 1 75 TO 2 75 WILLIAMSON COUNTY IN JUNE OF 2013, INCREASE THEIR NON-CONSENT TOWING FEE FROM ONE 10 TO 1 95.

AND IN THE MOS AUSTIN METRO AREA, KYLE, THE CITY OF KYLE, HAS THE HIGHEST TOWING FEE AT $300.

ROUND ROCK HAS THE LOWEST AT ONE 30, AND THE AVERAGE FEE FOR THE MO AUSTIN METROPOLITAN AREA IS $205.

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THIS SHOWS THAT DATA KIND OF IN CHART FORM, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE STARTING WITH THE LOWEST FEE AND ROUND ROCK AT THE TOP AND GOING DOWN THE CHART TO THE HIGHEST FEE, UM, OF KYLE AT $300.

SO AUSTIN, UM, IS AT THE 180 5 CURRENTLY, AND THIS IS PRIME, THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE LIGHT DUTY TOES.

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THIS IS THAT SAME DATA FOR THE MEDIUM DUTY TOES.

AND

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YOU SEE AUSTIN HAS, UM, THE LOWEST FEE.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS IS THAT SAME DATA FOR HEAVY DUTY TOES WHERE AUSTIN IS AT $800.

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THE FOURTH METHODOLOGY IN THE TOPEE STUDY IS THE LARGE TEXAS CITIES.

OUT OF THE 10 LARGE TEXAS CITIES, AUSTIN HAS THE HIGHEST TOWING FEE OF 180 5.

LAREDO HAS THE LOWEST AT ONE 10, LOWEST AT ONE 10.

THE AVERAGE FOR THE LARGE TEXAS CITIES IS 1 55.

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AGAIN, THIS IS THE CHART FORM, JUST IF YOU'RE A VISUAL PERSON.

UM, THE LOWEST CITY IS AT THE TOP, THE HIGHEST CITY IS AT THE BOTTOM, UM, AGAIN WITH THE AVERAGE BEING ONE 10.

AND THAT'S FOR LIGHT DUTY.

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THIS IS THE SAME CHART FOR LARGE TEXAS CITIES AT THE MEDIUM DUTY TOE.

AUSTIN IS THE THIRD, UM, LOWEST AT THREE 50.

AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE SAME LARGE TEXAS CITIES FOR THE HEAVY DUTY TOES.

AND AUSTIN, IS IT $800 HIGHLIGHTED THERE? NEXT SLIDE.

UM, IN 2015, THE CITY OF AUSTIN RECORD ORDINANCE WAS UPDATED TO ACCOMMODATE THE USE OF AUTO RETURN APDS CONTRACTED TOWING DISPATCHER VENDOR AS PART OF THIS CONTRACT.

THE TRAFFIC INCIDENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IS UNIQUE TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND USED TO RAPIDLY CLEAR DISABLED VEHICLES FROM HIGH SPEED ROADWAYS DURING THE RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC.

THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT TOWING RULES STATE THAT A TOWING COMPANY MUST PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM IF IT IS ON A NON-CONSENT ROTATION LIST.

THE PROGRAM REQUIRES TOWING COMPANIES TO STAGE TOW TRUCKS IN A ZONE AND CLEAR HIGH SPEED ROADWAYS AT NO CHARGE.

ON AVERAGE, AUSTIN TOWING COMPANIES REPORT REMOVING APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR VEHICLES OFF OF AUSTIN ROADWAYS FREE OF CHARGE DURING THEIR REQUIRED SIX HOUR SHIFTS IN THIS PROGRAM.

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SO THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION, UM, FROM CITY STAFF ON THIS TOFI STUDY IS THAT AFTER EXTENSIVE REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION OF THE TOWING FEE STUDY RESULT, PARTICULARLY THE INCREASED CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OF 13.84%, THE AUSTIN FEE OF 180 5 COMPARED TO NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES IS BELOW AVERAGE.

THE TOWING FEE COMPANY REQUESTS TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING TWO NEW FEES, WHICH IS A TOLL FEE TO COVER THE COST OF USING TOLL ROADS TO EFFICIENTLY TRANSPORT TOWED VEHICLES AND AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, EXCEPTIONAL LABOR FEE, UM, WHICH IS FOR EXCEPTIONAL LABOR RELATED TO CLEARING A TOWING SCENE OF AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, WHICH COULD INCLUDE ADDITIONAL DRYING SOLVENT, UM, IF THERE'S A BATTERY LEAK OR A BATTERY EXPLOSION.

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UM, THIS IS THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION, UM, HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN FOR EACH OF THOSE, UM, NON-CONSENT TOWING FEES.

SO THERE IS, THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE TOWING FEE.

THE SECOND COLUMN IS THE CURRENT FEE.

THE HIGHLIGHTED COLUMN IS THE PROPOSED FEE BASED OFF OF AN PRIMARILY AN INCREASE IN CPI.

UM, AND THEN THE SECOND TO THE LAST COLUMN IS THE TOWING COMPANY REQUESTED FEE INCREASE.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT ALL ON ONE PAGE HERE.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY TOFI STUDY.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANY, UM, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

UM, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER KOFF? YES.

UM, ARE THESE FEES JUST FOR WHEN A P D CONTACTS AND NEEDS A VEHICLE TOWED OUT THE ROADWAY? THIS IS A, THIS IS THE TYPE OF TOWING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.

AND DOES THAT FEE, DOES THE CITY PAY THE TOWING COMPANY THOSE FEES AND THEN IN TURN CHARGE THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE OR THE, THE CITY'S OUT THAT, THAT AMOUNT NO, THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE WILL BE OUT THAT, AND THESE ARE ALL A P D TOWS ARE NOT CONSENT TO.

OKAY, BUT THE CITY, YES.

YEAH.

BUT THE CITY HAS TO GO AFTER THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE OR NO, SIR.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR.

HE WOULD BE CHARGED THAT TO GET A VEHICLE OUT OF THE VEHICLE STORAGE LOT.

OKAY.

SO THE TOWING COMPANY THEN WOULD COLLECT FROM THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE? THAT'S CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT.

AND I'M SERGEANT LUER WITH AUSTIN, PLEASE.

I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT.

COMMISSIONER HOWEN.

UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, IF ANYBODY THAT'S SITTING UP THERE COULD TELL US HOW MUCH IS IT NORMALLY COST FOR A CONSENT TOW? A CONSENT TOW WOULD BE ARRANGED BETWEEN THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE AND THE TOW TRUCK THERE CALLING OR REQUESTING.

SO THAT'S A NEGOTIATED PRICE BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARTIES.

AND IT CAN BE ANY NUMBER.

IT'S NON-REGULATED.

I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, HOW

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THE NON-CONSENT TOW IS COMPARING TO THE PRICE OF A CONSENT TOW.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF AVERAGE NUMBER? I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

UM, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT A TOW TRUCK COMPANY WOULD, YOU KNOW, GO INTO CONTRACT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO REPAIRS CARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

UH, COMMISSIONER WEBER, I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE EXTRA FEE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

IS THAT MANDATORY OR IS THAT ONLY CHARGED? IF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE ROLL REQUIRES GREATER WORK, IT'S ONLY IF IT REQUIRES THAT WORK.

IT'S CONSIDERED EXCEPTIONAL LABOR IF IT'S REQUIRED.

AND SO IF ANY EXCEPTIONAL LABOR IS REQUIRED, THE ENTIRE ONE 50 GETS CHECKED ON THAT.

THAT IS THE MAXIMUM FEE THAT THEY COULD CHARGE IS THE ONE 50? YES.

WELL, WOULD THEY EVER CHARGE LESS? I WOULD NOT THINK SO.

OKAY.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE OUT OF WHACK WITH LIKE WHAT THE CITY'S TRYING TO DO AS FAR AS ENCOURAGING ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

UM, IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW, JUST, IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO USE ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT TO THEN ADD $150 FOR EVERY TOW.

IT JUST, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT MESHES WITH OUR VALUES.

SO COMMISSIONER, I'M, I'M DEAN TER, LIEUTENANT.

I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES WHATSOEVER, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WHEN AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE IS INVOLVED IN A CRASH, THE, UM, THERE IS A VERY MUCH CONCERN THAT THE BATTERY WILL FAIL AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL IT STARTS OFF GASSING.

AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TOW COMPANIES ARE TRAINED TO HANDLE THAT INCIDENCE CUZ UM, WHEN THOSE BATTERIES FAIL, THEY FAIL BIG AND, AND IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.

SO, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THIS $150 IS TO HELP MITIGATE THE TRAINING AND POTENTIAL LIABILITY ISSUES THAT ARE, ARE INVOLVED WITH DEALING WITH AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE THAT'S INVOLVED IN A CRASH.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY IMAGINING OF WHAT THE FEE WOULD BE.

YEAH.

I HAVE A, DIDN'T YOU, DIDN'T Y'ALL WRITE THIS STUDY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WHY ARE YOU, LIKE, WHY ARE YOU IMAGINING, UM, DID Y'ALL NOT DO, DID Y'ALL NOT, DID THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT WRITE THIS STUDY? COMMISSIONER, THIS IS, UH, MICHELLE SCHMIDT, THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.

UM, WE DID CONDUCT THE TOFI STUDY.

THIS WAS A NEW FEE REQUESTED, UM, BY THE TOWING FEE COMPANIES.

AND THEIR EXPLANATION FOR THAT WAS THAT IT WAS TO CLEAR THE, UM, THE EXCEPTIONAL LABOR TO CLEAR THE DEBRIS FOR THAT.

UM, I, THAT'S THE MOST THAT I KNOW ABOUT IT.

IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT, I THINK IT NEEDS A SECOND LOOK BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAZARDOUS WASTE, WELL I DON'T THINK THAT TOW TRUCK DRIVERS SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THAT.

I THINK THAT THERE PROBABLY ARE OTHER MORE ENVIRONMENTAL WAYS OF DEALING WITH THAT.

UM, AND IF WE DON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S FOR, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO A SECOND LOOK NEEDS TO BE TAKEN AT IT.

VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ, JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT.

IF A F D IS THERE, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND THERE IS ACTUAL HAZARDOUS WASTE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH, I WOULD, AS I'M ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD BE A F D THAT WOULD HANDLE THAT MATERIAL.

IS THAT WRONG? UM, IS AFD THERE? YES, MA'AM.

THIS IS BRANDON WADE, ASSISTANT CHIEF WITH THE AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO WE HAVE NOT HANDLED ELECTRIC VEHICLES AS, UM, HAZARDOUS WASTE, UM, BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THE BATTERY CELLS THEMSELVES ARE CONTAINED.

HOWEVER, THE HAZARD IS, UM, THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IS ONCE THE ELECTRIC BATTERIES START TO SELF IGNITE BECAUSE OF DAMAGE OR A FIRE, IF SOMEBODY SET IT ON FIRE, IT CAN BE HOURS UPON HOURS TO EXTINGUISH.

AND, UM, COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF WATER IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

I THINK WE HAVE BEEN ON SCENE FOR HOURS JUST FLOWING WATER ON ONE ELECTRIC CAR AND OFTENTIMES WHAT WE HAVE TO TELL THE TOW TRUCK COMPANIES THAT PICK 'EM UP IS SET THE CAR COMPLETELY AWAY FROM EVERYTHING ELSE CUZ WE

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BELIEVE IT'S OUT.

BUT IT CAN REIGNITE ALL ON ITS OWN.

SO IT COULD IGNITE ON THE TOW TRUCK, IT COULD IGNITE BACK IN THE YARD.

SO THERE ARE SPECIAL, UM, PARAMETERS THAT THE TOW TRUCK COMPANIES HAVE TO DO WHENEVER THEY STORE IT BECAUSE ELECTRIC VEHICLE FIRES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN A NORMAL FIRE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT.

THAT HELPS.

YES.

COMMISSIONER CIERA ARLO, UH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER THERE IS AN ESTIMATE FOR WHAT THE INCREASE IN REVENUE WOULD BE, UM, IF THIS INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE FEE WERE TO PASS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR INDIVIDUAL TOW COMPANIES? SO THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX INCREASE IS RECOMMENDING A 13% INCREASE.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THAT WOULD BE THE TOP.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON IF THAT'S OFFSET BY THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS, UM, THAT WERE STATED IN THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE TOWING COMPANIES.

SO, UM, THAT'S THE, THE, THE DIFFERENTIAL THERE, BUT THE INCREASE IS 13%, 13.84, I THINK.

SO, TO, TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION, IF, IF THIS IS, IF, IF WE ASSUME THAT THERE IS A, A $50 MILLION, UH, BOTTOM LINE TAKE HOME FROM A COMPANY AND WE WERE TO RAISE THE AVERAGE PROPOSED FEE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE SHOULD JUST EXPECT A 13% INCREASE IN THEIR, THEIR BOTTOM LINE REVENUE? I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN ADEQUATELY ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I, IF, IF I'M FOLLOWING THAT CORRECTLY, I THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES.

UM, IF THIS IS A 13% INCREASE IN THESE SPECIFIC FEES, I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD, IT WOULD INCREASE THEIR ENTIRE REVENUE LINE.

BUT THESE PARTICULAR FEES, WHICH ARE A SUBSET OF, OF THEIR, UM, SERVICES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ.

UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT ON THE, ON THE CONSUMER END, ON THE, ON THE CITIZEN END.

I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER KOFF ASKED, BUT I GOT A LITTLE BIT LOST IN THE RESPONSE.

SO A NON-CONSENT TOW HAPPENS THAT CHARGE, BUT FROM THE TOWING COMPANY GOES TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN OR TO A P D, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S A MUL.

UM, NO, THAT'S NOT, IT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE CONSUMER.

OKAY.

AND THEN THAT IS, THAT FEE ISN'T, THAT FEE IS CHARGED WHEN THEY GO TRY TO PICK UP THEIR VEHICLE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

YES.

OKAY.

DON'T GET YOUR CAR BACK UNLESS YOU PAY.

RIGHT.

ALL OF THESE FEES, IT CAN BE QUITE ONEROUS TO NO.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S A REGULAR PERSON.

YEAH.

AND I THINK THAT THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH THAT IT NORMALLY COSTS IS ENTIRELY RELEVANT.

YEAH.

AND SO THAT LEADS TO MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION, WHICH IS JUST IN TERMS OF THE TOWING FEE STUDY, WHO, WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE TOWING FEE STUDY? LIKE WHAT COMPANIES WERE SURVEYED AND WERE THERE ANY CONSUMER FACING CONSENT TOWING COMPANIES INCLUDED IN THAT STUDY? OR WAS IT JUST CURRENT CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY? SO IT WAS JUST THE FOUR METHODOLOGIES THAT I PRESENTED TODAY.

SO THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE COMPANIES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUESTED THE STUDY THAT WERE PART OF THAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER THREE METHODOLOGIES THAT, YOU KNOW, INCLUDED THE SURVEY OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES, THE LARGE CITIES IN TEXAS, AND THEN THE CPI.

SO I THINK I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY OUT LOUD, I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF ALREADY SAID IT AND IS HINTING AT IT.

I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED AT THE STAGGERING AMOUNT, UM, THAT THIS, THIS, THIS FEE, UM, HAS, HAS GOTTEN TO.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE COPS COSTS AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE TOWING COMPANIES THAT ARE RUNNING THEIR BUSINESSES, UM, AND TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION AND THE COST AND FUEL AND EQUIPMENT AND ALL THAT STUFF.

BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED, UM, QUITE FRANKLY WITH, UH, WITH THIS, THIS HUGE SORT OF SPIKE IN PRICES FOR PEOPLE THAT QUITE FRANKLY ARE IN ACCIDENTS AND ARE IN SITUATIONS THAT ARE SOMETIMES CONTROL.

SO, UM, THIS JUST, THIS IS, THIS IS PROBLEMATIC.

THIS IS TOUGH.

UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLE, EXCEPTIONAL LABOR FEE QUITE A BIT.

UM, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE QUITE HELPFUL IF WE UNDERSTOOD WHETHER THE, THE SOLVENT THAT'S GONNA BE USED TO MAKE

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ELECTRIC VEHICLES SAFER TO TRANSPORT OR WHATEVER OTHER MECHANISMS THE TOWING COMPANIES ARE UTILIZING WITH THIS ELECTRIC VEHICLE, EXCEPTIONAL LABOR HA IF THAT COST HAS ANY RELATIONSHIP TO THE $150 FEE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GET.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AFTER WE GET DONE WITH THIS STUDY.

UM, BUT IT WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE IF WE COULD FIND THAT OUT.

OKAY.

WE CAN CERTAINLY FIND THAT OUT.

MY GUESS IS IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE COST OF THE MATERIAL AND THE LABOR FOR THE EXTENUATING TIME OF HAVING MANPOWER OUT, UM, WITH THAT VEHICLE.

UM, AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS PER THE ORDINANCE, UM, THIS TOFI STUDY IS PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION AND A VOTE IS TAKEN ON, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR NOT, AND THEN, UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNSEL AS WELL.

UM, DO Y'ALL KNOW THE TIMING OF WHEN IT'S GOING BEFORE COUNSEL? UM, IT'LL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING AVAILABLE AS SOON AS THIS VOTE IS TAKEN AND, AND THAT IN YOUR VOTE OR RECOMMENDATION WILL GO ALONG WITH THAT.

OKAY.

UM, ? YEAH, BECAUSE I NOTICED THERE'S ALREADY, UM, AN EXCEPTIONAL LABOR HOURLY CHARGE.

SO, UM, I ASSUME THAT COULD BE USED FOR LABOR RELATED TO AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YES, I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING.

SO I I, I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME, AND SOMETIME ASSUMING IT'S BAD THAT THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE, EXCEPTIONAL LABOR FEE IS SOMETHING ELSE, ALTHOUGH IT'S CALLED A LABOR FEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY A LABOR FEE.

OKAY.

SO, UH, VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ.

SORRY, I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.

SO THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDED, THE PROPOSED FEE BASED ON INCREASED CPI IS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE REQUEST BY THE TOWING FEE COMPANIES.

UM, ARE THESE TOWING FEE COMPANIES UNDER CONTRACT ALREADY? UM, DO THEY HAVE CONTRACT RENEWALS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT ARE CONTINGENT ON THIS RATE INCREASE? OR IS THIS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT GAP.

LIKE IF THEY'RE SAYING THEY NEED, AND I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE EXACT NUMBERS, A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WE TELL THEM THEY'RE ONLY GONNA GET 800, WHAT HAPPENS THERE? LIKE, AS FAR AS THE TOWING FEE COMPANIES? THE TOWING, THE TOWING COMPANIES ARE, ARE CONCERNED, LIKE WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR CONTRACTS? SO WE ARE NOT CONTRACTED WITH THE TOWING FEE COMPANIES.

UM, THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOES HAVE A MANAGED TOWING CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY VENDOR.

UM, SO ANY INCREASE TO THE FEE, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY CHA YOU KNOW, BA VERSUS THEIR RECOMMENDATION OR THEIR REQUEST, IT JUST ALTERS THEIR BOTTOM LINE.

UM, AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THEM.

OKAY.

BUT THERE'S NO CONTRACT BETWEEN US AND THE TOWING FEE COMPANIES.

OH, OKAY.

UM, SO I THINK, UM, THE COMMISSION, UH, NEEDS TO DECIDE WHETHER WE CAN VOTE, UM, UP OR DOWN ON THIS RECOMMENDATION OR IF WE WANNA MAYBE VOTE ON A MODIFIED VERSION OF THIS RECOMMENDATION.

I AM OPEN TO PROPOSALS IF ANYBODY'S GOT ONE.

OH, COMMISSIONER HASEN FLIP.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I NECESSARILY HAVE A PROPOSAL, BUT, UM, AND I, SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF WE, IT HAS TO BE A HARD UP OR DOWN BOAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF SAYING THE SAME THING THAT MAYBE WE'RE SYMPATHETIC SOME SORT OF INCREASE, BUT NOT KNOWING WHERE THOSE NUMBERS REALLY COME FROM AND HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT A, YOU KNOW, BOTH THE TOWING COMPANIES AND, AND THE, AND CONSUMER.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PERSONALLY AM READY TO SAY YES, THIS IS THE EXACT, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT I'M COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM THERE, BUT I JUST, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE KIND OF DANCING AROUND.

YES.

I, I THINK I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, I'M READY TO TAKE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE.

UM, UH, UM, UH, I FEEL LIKE WE NEEDED MORE THAN, UH, A WEEK'S COUNCIL NOTICE OR HOWEVER FAR AWAY THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS TO, SO THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK WITH MORE QUESTIONS, UM, AND GET MORE INFORMATION.

UM, YEAH.

UM, COMMISSIONER WEBBER, UM, IF MORE, IF

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ADDITIONAL WORK IS DONE ON THIS AND IT COMES BACK, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, UM, SOME CONSIDERATION OF INCOME LEVELS OF, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE, SOME DATA ABOUT WHOSE CARS ARE GETTING TOWED MM-HMM.

AND WHAT IS THEIR ABILITY TO PAY THESE NON-CONSENT FEES.

AND I WONDER IF THERE'S SOME DATA AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN ABOUT HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE ABANDONED AT THAT POINT.

UM, SO I JUST, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER HOW THESE FEES AFFECT REGULAR PEOPLE.

I MEAN, AND I'M STILL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ANSWERS THAT I GOT ABOUT, UM, NON-SKILLED TOW TRUCK DRIVERS BEING TASKED WITH, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.

UH, I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE MUST BE DATA ON HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE NOT BEING PICKED UP, HOW MANY VEHICLE VEHICLES ARE BEING ABANDONED, THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A THING THAT CITI WOULD KNOW.

UM, WELL, UM, I, WE CAN JUST NOT VOTE ON THIS, UM, AND NOT GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL OUR RECOMMENDATION.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT I HAVE A FUNNY FEELING THE CITY COUNCIL WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE IT THROUGH WITHOUT OUR OPINION.

UM, COMMISSIONER WEBER, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT COUNSEL SEND THIS STUDY BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND NOT PASS IT NEXT WEEK OR WHENEVER IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

OKAY.

UM, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

OKAY.

UM, SO WE ARE, UH, VOTING TO, UH, REJECT THE RECOMMENDATION AND, UM, HAVE ADDITIONAL, I GUESS, HAVE IT BE SENT BACK FOR ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE STUDY.

IS THAT SUFFICIENT? JANET ? OH, WE, WE'VE GOT A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE TO REJECT THE TOWING STUDY AND HAVE IT BE SENT BACK FOR MORE WORK.

REJECTED.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S THE VOTE.

SO I'M GONNA TAKE THE ROLL.

UM, UH, COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT IS IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER KOFF? NO.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER SIERRA AVALO? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER WEBER? I VOTE YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE INFL? UH, YES.

AND VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ? YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO, SO WHAT PRETAIL DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS WE MOVE TO ITEM SIX? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S TRUE.

.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE TO ITEM SIX.

UM, AND JUST A REMINDER THAT EACH OF US, YOU KNOW, CAN COMMUNICATE WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE THINK ABOUT IMPOUND FEES AND TOWING FEES.

UM,

[6. Discussion and possible action on Kroll Report regarding Austin Police Department Training Academy]

LET'S DISCUSS THE CROW REPORT AND THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAINING ACADEMY.

UM, IS IT GONNA